The Express.
London, England, 1855-06-05 00:00:00

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Mar, boar.) Mash referees' habeas mad* to Austria—
am power which was always Toady to negotiate while it
Imitated to oat. The time had Per emu for considering
what was the neat positi n we could hold with reference to
that power ; and be earnestly entreated the house to distin-
guish between the friendship of that country WI Itai
(Her, hear.) If they wished to limit the MIMI
within narrow booed', he thought they ought to
assintaid family relations with Austria so long as she Mr
Mined neutral, became they could sot injure that Mae
without injuring the balance of power is humps. It wee
easy to say that Amnia might be reduced to a fourth ralg
power. but her answer ytouid be this—lf you go to war to
preserve the Inhume of posit, remember that Austria Is
as necessary as a sonatornoge to France, as Turkey is as a
esaatarpoise to NUM. For these and other reams he
may Preserve blindly Milieu with Agana, bat be
doubted the wisdom of that palsy whisk had so earnestly
minted her alliance. Suppe" you bad attained that
alliance, what would you have pined ? He said " Batter
leave Austria alone, bide your time, don't offend or irritste
tier, and inevitable events will bring her to your side."
Re thought that out attitude towards Austria had bora
much too supplicating. (Hear.) He now came to the pro-
blem laid down by the right bon. member for Manchester—
we were to cameo* this war, of what shape was the war
te be? Was it to be of a large sad ecomprehesoive character,
ultimately involving changes in the government, of Europe ?
Be wanted them against raising Isoms which they might
get be ibis to satisfy. (Hoar, hear.) He would not admit
that there were no kepis of the restoration of
?Mod ; ha would not prejudge what might be
gems with the Crimea when we got it ' • but
Ins would aft smourago vertu language which it
might nit one minister to use, and his ssocessor to
appodiate. Woo and shame to the British statesman who
should rains Pitons spinet their rulers, not foroseeisg
that in throe ceastitotioaal changes to whseh their govern-
ments were subject, they might promise today that which
their secession would withdraw to-morrow. (Hur, hear.)
Those nations who hoped for democracy must not look to
benign soldiers, or the votes of foreign popular mem-
bliss. They could not receive liberty as • boon or
Mort it ea • right, except it wee signed at
their owe Ranapitede and under the shadow
their own oak. (Cheers.) Therefore, let them
imam this wee to the object for which it had been begun—
the Miami./ and independence of Turkey, with such
guaranties tor the tru.nre as statesmen might devise, and
victory might enable us to Mania. (Hear, hear.) That
ramorded, he was not going to ask what new former was
gibe attached ; that was no affair of the House of Com-
mons. Matters of strategy must be settled by the allied
uhinetr, and in councils of war. That house could judge
only of results ; and although the end of the war
might be purely defensive, if they wanted to drive Howie
tato tarsus they mast grap • with her wherever
they could. (Cheers.) The no le lord the member for
Lyn& bad said that there was nothing so impolitic as head.
Willi a foe when you could not crush him, quoting lasehi-
avelli in support of his proposition. He warned his noble
friend tamest the attempt to reduce the grand setae, of
statesmanship to scholastic maxima. We could not, it wee
true, crush Russia, as Russia. but we could crush her
attempt to be anything more then Russia. (Hear, bear.)
It might be mid that William of Orange could not have
crashed Loris the Foartosath, or that the burgesses of the
Netherlands aota sot crash the house of Austria—but
William of Orange did mash Louis in upeonve action
upon Hol and, and the burghers resisted success-
fully the hems of Austria. Is the same way, his
'obis laud might doped upon it, we could crush
Russia in her attempts In Were our ancient ally.
The right hoe. gentleman the member for Manchester had
asked when, if the policy indinatth was followed oat, would
the war end ? He (Sir B. Lynes) believed that if we were
oaly in earnest in imyhig mud limited it to its legiti-
mate object', It thaldiatliit bag. la these days war was
mosey, and it wei lingothbla he thy power to sustain a
king war with a short pass. The pouniery mourners of
Russia were already beamiag eahansted—ber trade was
almost annihilated—while her recruiting system was
being carried on is a way which, besides drain-
lag the country of its adult male population,
braided • heavy loss upset the lords of the soil and incal-
culable misery and disemessat upon the people. In con-
clusion the hon. baronet expand a hope that when it
should be asked what service the pins, gustation had
perfumed, history would reply that it drew the sword to
mthenthe weak against the strong, and that it had not
skeet ed it until it had redeemed the pledge given to
hamaity epos the faith of two Christian sovereigas, and
Milleatod the cause of justice sad liberty.
The LORD ADVOCATE thanked the hon. baronet not
ealy for tb• clear exposing' be had given of his own views,
bat also for having sucomfalty disposed of the argu-
ments of those who were the opponents of the government
in the present debate. It had boss said that the country
had drifted into war. He altogether disputed the accuracy
of that statement. Never had • war been entered into by
the people of this country with so mush deliberation. It
was not • war of pinion—it was sot • war of dynasties—it
was a war of jostles mid of necessity; and he did not believe
the country would stop in its course until the object
for which the war had been commenced had been
Mimed. With regard to the origin of the war,
when the right honourable member kr Manchester
said that it wee owing to the tone of the prase and of the
supposed impossibility of England and Fresco multiaxial*
an alliance to resist Russian aggression, the right ham pm.
thous conceded the point that the Emperor of Rath Mg
ell along waiting for the opportunity to attack Tudilubll
interest we bad in defending Turkey was this:—That
the sides of Turkey our own liberties were menaced. •
had a plain and obvious danger to ward off, and the ques-
tion now to consider wee„ how beet we could place Turkey
is such a position that the liberties of Europe should be
secure for the future. It by no means followed, when
the war was actually commenced, that the stogie
gwo should be the condition of peace. The tight
bosourable gentleman the member for Oxford had said
that we ought not to raise our terms se the war went on ;
bat the principle of altering the terms according to the
altered state of circumstances consequent on the war was
admitttd by Lord Aberdeen himself, who increased the
terms upon which iris government were prepared to treat for
peace as the war want on. The terms upon which poses
might be negotiated on the one ride and on the other must
always depend in • great measure upon the results of the
war ; and the results atone military operations, even before
the rectnt successes, were certainly not such as should in-
duce us to accept lower terms than those originally proposed,
but the contrary. (Hear, hear.) The main demand was
the limitation of the Rustier' preponderance in the Black
Sea, as embodied in the third point. The only effectual
mesas of carrying out that object was by the measures
by the allies, for it was clear that if
Cc".e:ither 'proposition were adopted vie. that
Turkey should have the right to call in the limas
of Franco and England, if she were menaced—in the
event of Francs and England net being agreed, or either
of those powers not being agreed with Turkey, there would
be no protection for Turkey. Looking at the result of the
debate, he did not think the Emperor of Ruda, or any
power in Error, could now entertain a doubt that the opi-
Mon of the Home of Commons and of the country was that
we had entered upon • war upon just grounds, and were
determised not to relinquish it until the end we had in
view was attained. (Hear.)
Mr. COBDEN moved the adjournment of the debate.
Lord PALMERSTON suggested that the present amend-
meat should be first disposed eL He preened that the
amendment upon which the hos. member for the West Rid-
lag desired to express his sentiments was that of the hon.
member for Oxford, and he would have the opportunity of
doing that after the division upon the present amendment
me taken.
Mr. COBDEN begged the noble lord's pardon, but be
Wished rather to speak upon the present amendment, which,
as so two members were agreed upon it, he thought required
further discussion.
ILL DISRAELI observed that though there were several
amendments oa the paper, the reed business the bow was
discussing was w theme am helm them. Whether the
Views& conferees's were to p ea or to elm sway, the
home had to manier wbethor the omegas employed by the
Mart Shape best inetheth pewee Msk
esrEurope,wee and of potting a Batt ei the -
mu of Rasa& in the Black Sea. That was an imp remat
questiou, and involved net rely the whole pithy
of the government, but the moms by whisk the
totem peace of Esser should be sulatithall.
He thought that the hinge ought to take the egpartagihg el
discussing the wing' with meth to the wpm magthr el
patting an sad to the gregignionale of Ramis in the Math
Sea. (Hour, hear.) lie hoed also to have the eggertanlty
Of anatomic, the remedmi of the Iced Ad eithe. who
maid to think there tree but use of ihrildas that
preponderance. It was the any el Oa iteeo thOmmiate
le enter fully into the dimension,' the wads& 'The thet
part of the anundaseat of the hon. member hir ILthiminlas
star really embraced the while sistgost, the ignesee big
leather sad prowl's." lie Ithught, theatheina
goverameat costa mot but aggisles la tho maths h an
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The debate wia then adjoaraod seta this day.
NORTMAIN BILL.
This bill was read a mead time.
TENANTS' IMPROVEME(IRELAND)NTS COMPENSATION I
BILL.
Oa the order of the day kr going into committee on thth
bill bola. read,
Cohen DUNNE expressed • hope that Sib MONO
meld act be prosemlad with until the assisimigh p.S
pad to be latrodmed by the governmen
Mr. t were la Ili
edam ot members.
HORSMANruse would the itheonntiati In tomtit/.
gm's paper. He that 'be bora p
Simaittes upon it on bum* NEL
Kr. S. FITZGERALD to the =man Wag
him ea Tharoday, u it wows ryes lig OM M asedkriai
the amendments.
Lard NAAS also objected to so early a day biegissell.
tried PALMERSTON flied Thursday wink fi Ile hp
the, esadderatioa of the aware.
OHANTIS OF LAND BILL.
This bill we road • mead time.
ORDNANCE BOARD BILL.
Oa the mines for the mead riaillog of this bill.
Mr. STAFFORD thought the* • memo of nub
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