The Express.
London, England, 1862-03-14 00:00:00

LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 14, 1862.

least required the candidate to pi. through& prolfamiond
examination, although at presee4 babedisived, the mit eout
petitive examination was one of the appetite. ("Hear. kw,
and laughter.) The man who got • conuetiolou after par-
ing a professional examination was Glover than if he was
to be paid as an officer for six or twelve ummithe before he •
could perform his duty, (Ham) Hie belief woe that by I
good management Sandhurst could be made self-support-
mg, but in their liberality they sent so many Queen's
mdse.' to Sandhurst, that they were obliged to chary the
other cadets so much more. If Cambridge and Oxford
competed with Sandburet he believed the result would be
to cheap the course of life of many young men, and to in-
duce several persons who were intended for ths church or
the bar to enter the army. (Hear, bear.) As far as the
army was concerned there could be no possible
hardship in raying to young men desirous of
having commissions, " All we ask of you is
to have • previous knowledge of the profession."
That was worth all the other testa. He hoped this would
not be made a party question, and that the holies would
come to that conclusion which the interests of the army
required. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BRUCE said, when this question was brought for-
ward last year, he opposed it on the ground of the gamed-
nem of the information which the government gave the
house, and because he objected to every officer paring
through one college without having security that it would
be efficient. The government on the imeation gave
them the information which was want a~eesee
Colonel STEWART hoped that the fermis denim
of the Items would not be reversed.
Mr. M. hILLNES was desirous el iskinglaerMatialg's
,nripittlabhothat tree ware determlneelgriar4.
t mat should let iftle
so, he thought it would inflict a purl bacisbip tapes met
young men of no somiderable pos is misty ins wadi
Le exposed to it. The training, he brained, amid be so
managed that the number of admissions into Sandhurst
would correspond with the number of commissions to be
given.
Lord HOMAN said that two questions bad hem mind
in the eons* of the debate—owl was, whether a breech el
faith bad ben committed by her Making% goverment;
and, esondly, whether they ought to have exploded a our
tabu sum of moos; without the authority' of thiamin. With
respect to the lest, he believed that there was no pound
whatever to impute St—(bear, hear)—and with Menem to
the seeped, it eb.eid be remembered that last year •um
aiderabk sem was voted which the government would ban
been fully justified in imploding for the purpose fee which
it was granted. They didnot do so; the money was repaid to
the Exchequer, nod it was that sum that was now again
asked for. As to the merits of the main question before the
house, he desired to say a few words. Nobody, he thought,
would May that a military education of scemlrind it was dm
nimble for every person inteeding to enter the army to pommel,
and if it wee required that it should be received at aphil.
cedar place—of no clam could It be required with guar'
propriety than from thou who were to receive communing
without purchase. An app rehimsion had been expressing
that thew would be marked me lie did not attach au*
importauc to that, because poverty had never been comi-
dared crime in this country, and he believed there would an
be the stightess Mermen of opinion between officers whop
purchased their ossunimine sad them who received than
without purchase. In principle he did sot see any ob-
jection to the course poropossd her Majesty's government.
The vote had been further objected to ou the ground of
expense q but it should be borne in mind that no further
steps could be taken without the sanction of the house.
On that score, therefore, they were quite secure. He had
had the good fortune to be brought up at a military college,
and could state from personal experience that officers so
trained were competent to discharge their duties immedi-
ately on joining their regiments.
After a few words from Mr. G. W. HOPI and Sir H.
Wu.touoaav, the vote was agreed to without • division.
X2CPEYSES OF TROOPS IN NEW ZEALAND.
- On the motion being put that the Speaker do leave the
HOURS 07 OOMMONS--Trier.traV, ?flaxen 13, chair,
Mr. ADDSBLEY Tom to, ask the Mader-Secretary of
NEW MEMBER. State for the Colonies what was the mime of the new plea
Major Crirmium, the newly ideated member for the of native administration Prowled b the Ouvereor al New
county of Loagfeed, took the oaths sod his seat. The hon. Zealand, and whether the Imperial government would be
mesehrt was iatredued by Major Gavin and the O'Connor free from the responsibility for the 'chew, and from the
Das,eisi as he walked down %behoove wse loudly cheered military and civil expenditure involved in its adoption, and
by Sir George Bowyer sod another member behind him, whether the present number of troops in that colony was
which wee respooded to by laughter from several members about to be reduced. The matter involved is the queens
behind the Treasury benches. The hot. member took his should be considered at onus, or it would be too lain
Mat ea the miaistenal aide of the house below tlie gangway. Mr. FORTESCIJE was not able to give the house
THE INDIAN ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH. much information uposi the subject of the governor's
Mr. WHITE *eked the Secretary of Mate for India if he plan, a h wee col Halved acolon"' Dopararaistago by the
was aware that the electric telegraph service in that emu. ass's duke at the •`"
d the
Wynn sot hasedionat state, either saregardedeogiueering Ms whole °lilmt agal Istswthwi wf that Piss
• ;,„, esereevemesoe Mai seueloa ruby the reli hoe yotlaisers.
rigrill""at Irbtaier Bt. I...errala"ral The whole object of the plan was not to mays. ...paws,
the meant appointment in In la or three military
oaken to superior positions in that service, over the heads .but•
;to decrease the risk of future were. e
__;was„.to
of duly qualified perms, was not contrary to the previous "'Mount*, with very few exceptions, a system of goal self-
of to be worked by the natives, under the pew-
orders of the home government ; whether such appoints . . &Bono,
and in dineiein not arbitrarily
meets were sot calculated to impair the confidence of th deer; a British
conimunity in the efficiency of that deportment• whether formed, but depending upon tribal division' of New Zona
lie w.o aware of any peculiar qualificatious possessed' by land. He would not offer any opinion on the plea, for it
bad hero impossible to convey to the governor soy opinion
these odicers to justify such exceptiood appointments, and
upon the subject of it. The eoble duke, the colonial seerm
whether the Indian government contemplated en imme-
diate re-organnatien of the Indian Electric Telegraph tory, hail, however, addressed a rigid inquiry to the gover-
department our, arcing whether New Zealand was prepared to make
Sir C. WOOD believed that there bail been some reason some efforts to carry it into effect, and also what efforts
to complain of the working of the electric telegraphic system would be made to pay the expenses of the late
in India, owing, as he understood, to the employment of the war. He would add that her Majeety's govern-
native signallers. A committee had, however, been ap• meat had nut committed themselves in the smallest
pointed to inquire into the subject, sad it had led to a corn- degree to any responsibility in regard to any
plate
se
we of that service. The appointments in portion of the plan or to the military and
this case were all made in India, and the home goverument civil expenditure which it might entail, but they bad
did not, save iu very exceptional cues, interfere with them • simply limited themselves to making requisitions for fuller
but he had no reason to doubt the perfect competency of explaurtions, and which they hail a right to expect to en-
the persons employed. The two superior officers, hthyor• able them to judge of the working of the plan. One part
Douglas and Major Stuart, were gentlemen of great ability, of the plan ho (Mr. Forteseue) approved, and it was an
and he did not believe it would be possible to had men better essential part of it—that the action of the popular govern-
qualified for the posts they held. (Hear, hear.) runt in New Zealand should embrace the management of
GREENWICH HOSPITAL the waives' affairs. The governor had trauferred these
Sir J. HAY asked the Secretary to the Admiralty to duties to • responsible department, and he was now acting
in regard to the natives' affairs as in those of all other per-
state itemises that was intended to be pursued by the Board none. The right ken. gentleman appeared to have been is,-
of Admiralty. to cerz7 out the recommendations of the,. formed that some inf the members of the ministry of New
royal commission appointed to impure into the management Zealandmy...wow objections to the plan ; bat her
Ma-
of Greenwich Hospital. jeuy's government had reason to believe that it had been
Lord C. MGM said it was not intended to reintroduce drawn up with the approval of a responsible ministry, and
the biU of last year, that hill not having been very favour- noticing could be tome inconvenient that some body io New
ably received iu either house. Zealrod should instruct • member of the House of Com-
SANDHURST. moos testate, at a time when the plan was not matured,
Sir G. LEWIS moved to recommit • vote of 10,787/, for hat it had been condemned and objected to- • The informa-
tion which her Majesty's government had received was very
increasing the accommodation at the Royal Military Col-
different, and Le trusted it would prove to be correct. As
lege of Sandhurst, against which the committee of supply to the reduction of troops io New Zealand, it appeared to
had come to an adverse decision. That vote was in point of him (Mr. C. Fort:rue) that the right hou. gentleman had
fact the mere repetition of a vote that had been agreed widervalual the difficulties of the question ; for whatever
to last year, when his hon. friend, then the Under *ere might he the system of native government which should be
tart' of State for War, bad proposed a much larger scheme. adopted in New Zealand, no one could doubt that it would
According to that pile every person entering the army, co absolutely necessary for this country to continue to en-
whether he had obtained his commission by or without par- dare the burden of military expenditure for the protection
chase, would have been obliged to pass through the college. of that whiny. It would be a short-sighted policy to with-
That was • plan which had been proposed by his royal draw our theme from New Zealand, but he trusted that the
highness the Commander-in-Chief, and had received the measure of Sr George Grey would greatly tend to prevent
erection of the Lite See'retary of State. Some debate arose the causes of collision between the settlers and the natives.
upon it, and a division took place ; upon which his hon. The intentions of her Majesty's government should not be
friend agreed to postpone the ultimate decision upon the misuuderstood, and it was absolutely necessary that the
plan until parliament had had an °ppm tuuity of reviewing natives should feel that the government were acting for
its determination ; but be gave notice that, in cousequence their good, and that it was not out of fear of their Moms
of the division, 15,000 f. would be expended io the course of that these ploposals Lad been offered to them. (Hear.)
the year upon the college. There was no doubt whatever Hr. ROEBUCK said the time was coming when they
on that pima. Tho money voted lust session was merely would be able to gather certain conclusions ou their post
as an instalnient of the sum necessary to carry oat policy. He was in the house when the culouieitiou of
the plan, and to the extent of 13,00t.e. the WIT New Zealand took place, and the question now before the
Department was at liberty to proceed. (No, no.) house then aria. reference to the aborigines. lie recut-
He asserted that in the most deliberate mariner, and upon hated startling the house and the late Sr Robert Peel, who
this point be was a perfectly impartial witness, for he had bad the remoreable faculty of assimilating to himself every
last year had nu concern with the question. He suet ted iu other man's Weis, by stating that wherever the whits man
the most coutideut manner, after carefully reading the de• located himself the brown man roust disappear. Now,
bates of lest session, that the house received notice from Lis what right had we in New Zealand! We took the land
hoc. friend of the determivation of the government to speed from the natives, and then turned round red told them
15,000 f. upon the college of Smethurst He dwelt upon this that we knew we were doing them an thjury, but that
point the more because he inferred from the recent debate we would do them the least pueblo injury. We took away
that some lam. members appeared to be under the impres- their means of life, amid thee sent a certain number
sion that there bed been a want of good faith on the pert of of pious persons and missionaries to make them good Chris-
the government. red that it had expended mousy without tains, add to preach the Gospel to them, acid to do every-
the authority of parliament. Nothing could lie more certain, thiug towards them except doing theni justice. If we
however, than that not one forthiog of the mouey had been would let them inhabit their own country that would he
spent without the authority both of a vote of that Louse doing them the greatest justice, but that was not intended.
awl of the Appropriation Act. If we went to New Zeeland our mode of life, habits of
Mr. SELW YN called on the house to negative the pro- living, thoughts, and course of civilisation were destructive
portion of the right lion. gentlemen. firstly, because in to the brows man. It was like signing their death warrants
effect it called on them tosettetion the principle of coin- when we put oar foot on their therm. Hut all that want
pulsory examination for officers of the army ; secondly, be- for nothing iu the House of CannillOnn. If we left the
cause the expenditure was not necessary ; and thirdly, colonists to mimes' themselves and Dot to depend on our
because it took away from the House of Commons the *minima they would sum put an end to the war. Let it
effective control of that expenditure. be boldly ens
opeuly stated, and let there be no further
Mr. OSBORNE should give his support in favour of the pretence for by meanly rod a large expenditure of money.
recommitment of the vote us Mn experiment, which, if found ; Let it be uuderatuou by all that we bad been creating
beneficial on trial, could be minty extended. (Hear, hear.) I a new country and a new people, and giving
General PEEL said that this was a question which I • place to European civilisation iu the Southern
ought riot to be male oily of party. (Dear, bear.) The .. hemisphere, and that by so doing we hail been destroying
advantage of the army, iu which all parties ought to take • the aborigines. The people of England would find that they
an equal interest, ought alone to be considered. (Haar.) It begaa this colonisation with injustice, and that they must
would ace only be improper, but inconvenient, on this take ho consequences of their evil deeds. He had nu doubt
oceasica, to take soy other view of the subject, because that the word. which he hail spoken would be said to be
he well recollected that four years ago the opposite side of ' cruel—cruel they might be, hot they were the result of
the mead mantel Sandhurst, whilst hie side voted for their past policy. (lieu.)
it. Hie predecessor, Lord Peninure, had established a plan CAVALRY AND INFANTRY REGIMENTS IN INDIA
that every essdidate for a commission should go to Sand- f —ARMY CONTRACTS.
limn—nes these who intended to fit themselves for the
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY then asked the Secretary of State
scientific ourps. He made a slight alteration in that plam
for War whether the nitre non-purchase regiments were th-
is order that • hardship might not be indicted on certain
!_.;luded in;the 'lumber, Infantry of the lino in India 61,837,
gentlemen who were educated at Woolwich. The right
ems the tnree regiments of cavalry in the number, Cavalry
hoe. me:nber for Limerick made a notion in favour of re-
in India 7,teig; and in whom was the patronege of them rem-
yertieg to the old plan, aud all the gentlemen on the other
. Main to be vaned atio, what amount of loss had been in-
side voted against fieudburst. He did not think it right
that persons should be obliged to enter one college, because, I ourreda
rkby the Wardepartinent by fictitious or forged entries
as they were to enter that college at a certain age, it would wo performed by contract sioce the amalgamation
deprive those, who at a later period of life might wish to of the War and Ordnance departments ; specially what
amount of less had been incurred in the Dublin
enter the army, from doing so. (Hear, bear.) His hon. and
learned mead raid it „as a hardship oa a rasa to oblige him case of Hamilton Coonellan ; and whether any steps
to pass throw& a military college But his lea. and learned • had been taken to prevent the like frauds in future.
fried leimesdf beloosog to „kick it on. time t What he wished to know was, how much of the loss had

IMPERIAL P.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—Taunsias, Itasca 13.
The LORD CRAscawn took his scat coa the woolsack at
5 o'clock.

LUNACY REGULATION BILL-PERSONAL
EXPLANATIONS.

A coeverestioeel discussion took place between the Earl
of Mow sad Um Loan CLIANCILLLOR on a difference of
opinion which occurred between them in the debate on
the Lunacy Bill, in which both noble lords asserted their
previous opinions.
EXCHEQUER BILLS BILL
This bill pawed through committee.
STATE OF THE NEW FOREST.

The Earl of MALMESBURY rose to call the attention
of the government to a circular sent to those persons who
held hawses to shoot in the New Freest, as it was mid, !
with the approval of the Commissioners of Woods and
Forests. Their lordships would be aware that by the
iodulgeme of the crown a osrtain number of poems—
some forty or fifty—received licensee, on payment of ;
fear' to sport In the New Forest. It appeared '
that within the last few days a circular had been seat by ;
mane of those gentlemen to others who enjoyed the same '
to the effect that they considered the manage-
s •
esePrivltt ilk. New Forest with respect to ga o war not so •
Z:se It should be and they proposed that their ool-
should unite with them in subscribing
in • certain way by which the Queen's keepers ;
should be eneonreged to do their duty beam
than they did it at present. It seemed that
the New Forest was a preserve more for vermin than for
game, and that this state of things bad existed ever sines •
the lame of the lord warder's office. Sines that period the
salaries of the foresters had been reduced to so low a sods
that they had no inducement to preserve the game, and
the conscquenos was that while the game decreased, the '
vermin rapidly increased. The gentlemen to whom be had
referred proposed to mire &subscription for the purpose of
giving pus, to the Queen's forest keepers to induce them
to do their duty better. He thought this was a very good
plan, but be submitted to the government that it wee not
quite in accorilaoce with the dignity of the crown, that the
Queen's servants should receive directions from different
roman, or that they should be in any way openly
paid by the public. He should be one of the
List who wueld wish to see the New Forest
disforeeted and Metaled, but, at thongs', time be thought it
was the ditty of them who had its management to looms es
meth es peedlii• the evils which now existed there.
Berl GRANVILLE said his noble friend laboured seder
some pppprreheoaioo io considering these foresters as
keepers~They were merely foresters, and he most maintain
they did their duty and were well pea There was no com-
plaint of the meaner in which they had exercised their
duties. They had no orders given them, but their duties re-
lated entirely to the preservation of the timber, and the go-
vernment certainly COUld not be expected to impose taxes
to be applied in the preservation of game for the benefit of
those gentlemen who lived in a particular district.
The Earl of HAKDWIUKE observed that there was no-
thing so mischievous and injurious as a half-protective
system, which induced persona to trespass in pursuit of
game.
The subject than dropped.
SHANNON NAVIGATION.

The Mar v&d CLA,NAPARDE presented a petition In
reference to the oonimiaison appointed 25 years ago in
compliance with an act of parliament, and to the works
which under subsequent ads were constructed by the com-
missioners, involving an expenditure of nearly 000,0001.
Thepetitionem complained that those works were improperly
nod unskilfully constructed, mod distil», were not in accord-
ance with the nom of parliament which required them.
Their lordships adjourned at half-put six o'clock.