The Express.
London, England, 1864-05-07 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS,- 471/1414411

those means which appear ascot likely to 'ghat * object
they beets I. vier, may, the tormiastion d Ur var. sad
the satisfactory settlement of the quondam betimes Dec.
mark and Germany. (Roar.)

PAY OF OMOKE3 OF TSB NAVY.

To answer to Sir J. PAILENGTON,
Lord C. PAGET said that on Friday next he would ky
or the table the wocniemeatary estimate ter the increased
pay of naval °Moors, with so explasatory statement, sad
he would take • &mei= upon it on the following Thurs-
day.
CHURCH BUILDING AND NEW PARISHES ACTS
AMENDMENT BILL.

In &newer to Mr. RADPWA
Si, G. GREY rid Uri the sewed teediog of this bill
would be pcetpotted till the 20th inst.
RAILWAY AND CANAL BILLS.

Mr. R. HODGSON asked the chairmen al the general
oonimities oa railway sad meal bills whether the committee
would meet to coeliac the clauses referred to them on the
26th of April last by the house, so that any clauses which
the comanttee might tecommeed may be iaserted in bills
of the present eosins to which they were applicable.
Lord STANLRY mid that the general committee, consist-
ing as it did of chairmen of railway committees, would not
be able to muskier the clauses in question until they had
disposed of the bills Ware them.

the table any doeuntethe or despatches ea these subjects.
And to move as address for oopy al the asswees reonved
from the goveramiati be whom iselhttions ewe ad-
dressed to attend the Conference now dttlng to
Loodoa. Him boa. friend the Us e& fiesselery for
Forept Affairs would recollect that the Hln of Deamark
hid promoted over end over &pia to the Gummi thole=
*goal etheitatiesal rights. la hie minim the gelation of
annexatine should be referred to the peeple of the duchies
themselves. . . . .

—sir F. said, considering what Austria had
done in Hungary and Visalia, and what Prussia had
done with roped to the Poles, sod oonindering also the
opinion of M.Von Bismarck, that there sever would be pesos
between Denmark and Germany so long as Denmark had
democratic institutions, they could feel no sympathy with
those who in this ease profaned to be rotor* to ea
"te."lddralt wxlintood that, considering the Lamm
of the boar and the discussion now going on as them im-
portant matters, it was not the wish of the house that be
should eater at any length into the subject oa the preempt
oorianion—(hear, hear)—and he should therefore oral= him-
self to simply answering the question of his boa. friend.
The boa member had alluded to a statement he had mad*
on a former mission, but it would be remembered that he
was then pointing out how difficult it was
for the house to discus questions of nth importance,
in which complex questions of international law were
osacermed, and to oome to a hasty decision epos them.
,1 At that time he mentioned the powers of the estates of
1 Mavis and Holstein. According to some, those estates
woe constitutional parliaments, with the power of giving
opinions or exercising influence is any change of 000stitu-
tics or occessioe, while according to others their powers
wen strictly confined to local legisLiion, and the fact of
their being precluded from discussing those articles which
related to succession showed that that wee the opinion of
the King. His hon. Mead had assumed that the estates
bad the power of discussing the question of socessioc, but
that was open to very great doubt, and could DOS be
decided by any mere ipme dixid. He bad also stated
that whilst same bad denied that the estates
bad taken any part in the question of the champ
of succession ; others asserted that they bad virtually on.
turned their thanks to the King of Denmark for the settle-
ment of the suconsion. HI/ hoa friend then prooseded to
ear that be (Mr. Layard) was in error in stating that the
Diet bad not objected to the change in the ammosion.
What he did state was that up to the death of the late
king the question of Nicotinic& was never made an element
in the discuiwion going on with respect to the two derbies;
bet that, on the wormy, when Earl Knoell made his pro-
peed in 1862, it was accepted by all the powers sod the Diet
es
a satisfactory amusement, and if Denmark had accepted
it that would have settled this difficult and important ques-
tion. His hon. friend next asked on what ground the
statement had bees made that the expression of feeling in
the two derbies in favour of the Prince of Augusto-
burg was not spontaneous. In the very despatch quoted
by the hon. gentleman it was stated that the ex-
=of feeling wee not sposteasous, but was
t about by the agents of the German powers.
He was surprised to hear the hon. gentleman quoting that
despatch, because the writer, in his resume said be had never
Gees heard the Kim of Denmark spokes of in the duchies
bat with respect and affection, while he did bear exerts-
sires to the effect that if the King possemed the power, he
had the will to make hie subjects happy and content ; that
the few persons who desired union with Germany were
strong partisans amours the nobility and landowome, and
that they were well aware that theirs was not the
popular (vision, that they never gave expression to their
views unless in the warmth of debate, or by mistake. (Hear,
hear.) He would not deny that the duchies bad certaiii
grievances. Her Majesty's government had always main-
Weed that the Danish government had not fulfilled their
promises ; but he could not agree with his bon. friend that
on that account they ought not to take their part ;thatraised
mother question altogether. These promises were not ful-
filled for a length of time, but they ware fulfilled ultimately.
What he maintained was this, that ae Austria, and Prussia
and Germany had obtained all that they had a right to ask
for before the war was commenced, to go to war was a great
and manifest injustice. Mr. Grobner was not sent to Sleswig
and Holstein to inquire into the feelings of the people, for
that her Majesty's government were wanted against obtair-
ing, but he went there for another purpose, which he ac-
complished. From the information which the government
had received it appeared them was no desire in the duchies
to elect the Prince of Augustieburg as their prince. That
was his impression. The object at present being to restore
pesos, be would not comsat to produce the papers, as their
production misht create feelings which it was desirable
should not be aroused at this time. (Hear.)
Lord R. CECIL said, before they passed from this
viatica he desired to say a single word in order to eater
his protest with respect to these Danish debates. The hon.
baronet the member for Buckiogham, and those who agreed
with him upon this subject, hod frequently intruded Daaiek
debates into the proceedings of the homes. There was
an enormous majority in the house who sympathised
with Denmark in this matter. (Loud cheers.) They, how-
ever, did not think it wise in the existing state of the Dego-
riasions to impede any chance there might he for the
restoration of that peace which all desired by entering
with unnecessary vehemence into the debate' which took
place. (Hear, hear.) But he feared that their reticence
had been misunderstood by the people out of
doors and by the partisans of Germany, whom he
believed they might count upon their fingers. (Hear, hear.)
Those patinae had contrived to make the people behave
that there was a German party in the House of Commons,
but that was not the case. (Cheers.) It was not his ia-
beetion to enter upon what were difficult questions, but he
wished that no one would ism future believe that because
they had not contradicted on all occasions the wild and
extravagant statements which ware put forth, they
were to be taken as facts. The opinion of the Home of
Commons could not he taken until after the negotiations
had base concluded, and coosequeetly without at tresent
exposieg Denmark to additional danger eider bee unjust
sufferings, with which they most heartily sympathised.
They could not, until they were in a position through the
failure of the negotiations at the conference, bring these
mstten to • conclusion iu that house (Loud cheers.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE was glad to bear that expression of
Who on the part ci the House of Commons, and which
had bees elicited by the noble lord. He rejoiced to see at
this momenta feeling which was truly national exhibited
towards Denmark, for it was no questios now about Sles-
wig and Holstein. The whole of Jutland was occupied by
the invaders, who were levying contributions and taking
hostages from the population because they would not ear-
resdor their property. If it were not for the sea upon
which England once bad some power, the staa of Den-
mark would be swept from the category of tuition, but be
trusted that England would take care that that gallant
nation was saved from destruction. (Hear, bear.)
Sir H. VERNEY explained that he did not express any
approval of the conduct of Austria and Prussia, but he
spoke on behalf of the German people in the Duchies. The
subject then dropped.