The Express.
London, England, 1864-05-11 00:00:00

[Stamped, ld. Aliiiiionalo

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER
AND THE DEPARTURE OF OARIRALDL

Attention having been called to the statements
nude by Yr. Share cer Saturday Let, at the nuetieg
ea Prioress-hill, relative to the departunrel Goma Gari-
baldi from this country, the Working Men's Oceemittee
rewired a oonnimanicatieri tram the ClllllOOllllOl cd the Exchor

goer to the effect that, it being desirable to clear up the
various rumour afloat relative to the cause of the general's
departure, he should be willing to receive a deputation from
the eanialttee, for the purpose of anewaring any
stations, or giving any further explications relative to
the part it was alleged that he bad taken in reference
to it. Aceordiagly, yesterday aftersona • deputation,
oceseisting of Miami. Edmond Reeks, Wm. Shwa, o.odgere,
J. A. Taylor, Robert Hartwell, sad J. Baxter Langley,
waited epos the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
The deputatiou having been introduced,
The Cliaccetzoa of the EXONIQUIR Informed the depu-
Oahu that, thin being certain suspicion' afloat of which he
was the object, sad wishing as far aa possible to dispel
them, he would put himself in the witness-box as it were,
and answer any questions which the deputation had to
put to him. He had men the report of Rt. Shame,
speech, sad without imputing anything farther than mis-
information to that gentleman, ar misapprehension of the'
facts, he must my that not only was the greater portion
of it sulk* inuattrate, Dot itbhiVh_
__it ilt! costal. wen
' treWpflale credit the vpabotteViMerWilr ins
entirely untrue.

Mr. i3gaLmi said that the prior* ohinsl al the deputa-
tion in waiting on the minister was to marbin whether
the deliberate statements made by Xi. Shawn at the meet-
ing as Primrose-kW lad the amens at the right hon. gentle-
roam, irmaah as Mr. Sham wan, he believed, mowed to
submaatiate therm

The Csamil.l.oa of the EICHZQUIR—It will be very
dialed* feu Mr. Sham to do that, or 'toady bat General
°area&
Mike he a ad myself
d myself were present at the converattion to
d,
Mr. &WM Mated that, with the exception of on portion
of his steamiest of the faits of which he wee himself ces-
sion{ he meld give the amass of his informaate, one ut
wheat wee Kr. J. Cowan. of Newcastle.
The CILANCILLOS of the EICHIQUICII did not wish to
impale wilful isemaray, bat it wee in the rare of the
malaise for lea Motemeate to grow bit by bit, and for the
isfeneados eventually to be pieced together I. such a way as
to give a totally differest impreemon to the real feet..
Mr. MUM stated that on the Tuadey or Wedaseday Mr.
Cowen wee telegraphed for by Camel Chambers, and a
long cosvereation took place between hint and the general,
la white the whole question of whether he amend go or not
was dimameed. Almost intatedisiely afterwards Kr. Cowen
saw him (kr. Shan) and told him the bets elated in his
speed. In ceder to he quite were that is Übe maim he
drew up he had sot warepreasnied what he wee tad, the
moment was sent to Mr. Cowan, who, in reaming it, said it
wee substantially what the gesetal bad told him. He did
met wish to be eadentood as replying to the Chancellor of
the Fach•qawr, but he merely pat forth that as eradiate of
the impression left or the wad of General Geribakli by kis
coafereuoe with the right boa. gentleman.
The CaaanaLoa a the ESCHWILEI said that after the
pnblicatea of Mr. Femmes'. Lamm there was a coeval.
ration between eight gentleman at Stafad-hoese, sad
they rune unanimously to the oreclualos, that beteg the
orgy datum they had before them, that if the general
went through the programme that tied been sketched hie
health must break down. He had thirty town. mhis lint
_
se a

laviisiices wet! :rapidly co iii

from A quartile, whisk wore ea rarddlilidr. - -
alittoxedirtiewea to skein he alluded were Duke of
Ms the Marl of Shaftesbury, Mr. Seely, Gwen'
Mbar, Mr. weld, Wood Paid, Mr. Boeeiuci sad him-
self ; sad Imo ' that is ell probability the het would et.
Lege se be wont tbey ease to the uaaaiseree towds-
eke that it would be to Ix spas a limited hotel towns
to be visited as a matter of aelf-defutoe. That was til•

oosunimication which they all thought ought to be made to
the general. Then came the quieten who should make ft
It was suggested that ha =add dose, bat at Ant be re-
fwd. and said it bed bet= be mode by some as* met*
intimately acquainted with the gement. Accordingly
Colonel Bard and General Ebor went to him tad made a
oommenicatioe. When they came oat they said they
wilted him (the Chansellor of the Fachequar) to me the
generaL He mid," Very good, I will es and see him."
Am be w What be said to the general he
shard
y in the Home of Couimees, emitting made,
material. The upshot of the ollatemeM he made tamed ems
the letter of Mr. Nepotist and the =possibility of any
one going through sack an sznanit of work as was already
ansagrd for his. With taper to the mooed of the
alleged temptations to him to go, namely, that be had bed
a grand reception, ad that it would be better that he
=add go lest anything should bappon which would do-
lma from it, what be really Otani was, that this was a
airy extraordinary and really Mitotical event. from its
=n and oompleniesse as a national reception, but
we in the nature of anal things ea to beer si-
deline* repetition. That wan absolutely all this be =ad
on that subject. With regard to the third point, that It
might lead to compliatioes unpleasant to the government,
that was entirely and absolutely a inassice, he
never having made the smallest referees, to it.
What. he stated to Garibaldi, be stated oatinuoindy.
He might ham agrees= himself badly, balk was par
able limb the whoa papa of what he said should have
beat miseadeselsod, and he wee sure that he said nothing
is the sffigblett degas resembling that last sad mast imps
lent abillement, • genesel, tile tact is, if this sea at
thing gees cm much further it may lead to complications
shalt may be unpleasant to as ;" to which the general re-
plied, "Mr. Glalstme, em I to undaunted that yea with
ins to go. Manse it you tell me that you with me to go. I
will go ;" and that prima in that way he gave the general
to understaad that they did wish him to go. Nat one syl-
lable MOM was spokes, and so wards which mold be mar
nedsesheed or misconstrued in that way. It was needless to
my that the idea mar crossed his mind, end although be
bed less eskelsbed at e geed may Maga, he never was
mere ashinitbed in Ms life tine whoa he saw the stateseset
is question.
Mr. hearts—That is the truth of the whole thing.
The Cummins of the Elmira= stated that all be
told the paeeel wag., that it would be detrimental to kis
health and strength if the kind of operatics to which he was
then being subjected wait to be astleued indssoftolv. He
near glanced at his giving up his provincial tau, though
be must say that he should have thought it
the right thing to do circumstanced as the general
Inc All that he did was to apnoea the
°paha of the eight palms= be had named, room-
meading him to adopt a limited tour, and to fix it by a
program= Believer wiceutmended the abandonment of
the tow. When he added that. Garibaldi seared to be
sensible of the firm of it, and said it was better to give up
the tour altogether, became it was impossible for him to
draw a distinction. As an individual be (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) then said that the general had come to a
wise resolution ; for be could sot deny that there was
a difficulty which could sot be avoided is drawing seek
dialectician bat it was as spontassous suggostica of the
irralhimself. Hs did ask him whether it was not the
thst he felt somewhat exhaneNd already ; and
be mid that be did. Hs was not aware
that saything sin took place, bat certainly nothing
pared which to the slightest degree resembled the state-
meet that bad bets
Mr. Etna= mid that it was unileubtally the impression
a the genteel himself that paean bad been put upon
his to taloa him to bare, and be made no mat of it,
but memenciated It freely to dal and various other

erndental fends ; ad ii • otravereetion white he bin
self bd with Garibildi, be had remarked that the liberal
the nmet would regret this allot lo hod gorse, to which
FaCisena, "It they express air regret before
ashl atey." The impreassce, however, wee snowed
bs remein is Ids mind.
• Oesiseuns of the irI.CIEKIOXI was set •an that
ay ere 41,1 with the governest wee alpinist d
my see ; for his put he bed ea the swan
linsehila h. Re would may say net es Wednesday
sawing. who he maw the Bunn at his (the right his.
'lntr'a) own bon, be took boo aide and mid,
a are • quantity of fables go= abroad, will it ea be
the best plea that I Ana tell the Wink has se tin
men= is yerliain I' sad he " Certetely," to whieh
beregbel, " I us glad youagen with me." He onandy had
ea the weillat oommunkatioa from him ermaing the
brtoe ins ran.
en—Tisme really wee such as =eremite es
the paned% mid ; •Mere wii so mama at doubt
asst.
ear el it, kw be mid a me, it ti • meter benne it.
Bailin goner a= the learns= sad wbas I replied
that thement bed ear so adios Is War en to
his plus, and pasted out what Lord Palmas.= bad said,
be Wined it en mere Minn= tatnna, end rY " flat
does sot name mm"

The Caemeesioa of tie Lemma add that it wield
bays bees a great adeteke ea the pert el the roveraamt
to law expremed say spoke ea liesettee. H..eali est,
of eves% rawer fee like kapeeedea ea eeelbeldre seal Of
.11 dames of abea pentanes ware sent apt I. fall bole the
wee easeheleg tbeoomelves. Ile late Neal of Aberdeen,
els wee ern of **bed male everkeetr, Poesy, *glove
• Wit of ltsilevlop people TIM we a melluese t of
obareateit; eadl be, be, MI a habit of believig pee*. add
!alai Vies at tisk ward till be led ewes te =
tbeeseir if tbereere idwizashielbutibig easvaieel
of le people. sad Ilfefeeleseleestiete Iva
I the OBIT end tai 'bat meets* bee% gee wee
liable te tumble We lb. pest see. Omni Gel&
ULU bed deeetbak be weevvey terry hell. Ifeeseill epee
men Om webs the sialeseeet be bad, sod same way
peel see war Witt deer I. elbow% I. ilia lib see

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rare that he had omitted nothing which could qualify the
statement he bed made. What be wanted wee to get rid of
the arnimpbere at istepiciou by which he seemed to be sur-
rounded.

lisaues said that it was impossible not to suppose
that the general wee under • total misunderstanding of
what M.r. Gledekee mesas to convey.
The Cnancelton of the EXCREQUIR—II may have
_peneed
through hie mind theism • member of the cabinet I did sot
wish to say anything palatal, bat so doubt what waa in my
mind was so and so ; butheta • mall of such extraordinary
rummy that Ima wail oaddintsed his aappreming the
=worms of hie mind.
Yr. BILL= said that after what had pared the Chan-
cella. of the Exchequer could not be surprised that they
desired Mohave the matter ideated up.
Mr. ODGEIII said that than was one point on which the
workingmen were not eatiadird, and that was with respect
to the state of the general's health, for while Dr. Ferguason
was writing letters, saying be was not in good health, he
himself declared that he was in very good health.
The Cariscm.wa of the Exciter:rum said he could not
eater into that queetiou, having acted entirely on Dr. Fer-
gu!'s'."''

Mtge a few further questions,
Mr. &cal.'s, ou the part of the deputation, thanked the
right hon. gentleman for the courteous manner in which
they had been rewired, and the deputation retired.

ROYAL GEOGRAPHICAL SOCIETY.

The eleventh meeting of the present session of
this misty was held at Barliastoa Douse, on Monday •
evening, the 911 i bat ; Sir.aroport,.
Y. (Adz
The paper Ned was oa "A Newly-discovered Low Me
over the dada. iu Chili, south of Valdivia," by Doe Gail-
Isms Cox, translated sad couninunested by Sir Woodbine
Parish. _

A seensd was reed cm the " Upper Provisoes of the
Agostino Republic," by T. J. Hatehinaon, her Majesty's
mama at Basatio. The great railway through the Aries-
tine provlasat, projected by Kr. Wheslernght, having best
very imam* reported oa in thia paper, the praddeat
called upon Mr. Wheelwrigh yt, who wee present, towhat
inflow* tie discovery of sew please would have oil hie
scheme for amyl's' a Bee of railway over the Andes,
Mr. Wdzamoar described the route laid down for his
railway over as. of the aortherly penes of Chill at an
altitude of IC= feet, and stated that a much lower pass
had hem dissented farther south; bat that it was a
question which would be the more predicable for a limo of
railway, so the lower pass, bong further to the south,
might not it so hes from snow as the higher, but more
bortherly gam The southern pass„ however would be in
a meek more direct line with the populated part of the
Actin* provisoes.
Pazaroarrr, Won adjourning the meeting, called
atteutiou to a series of paintings of the Zambesi Falk, the
predation of Mr. Thomas Baines, who had spei,s4oad:=
time in the heart of Africa sketching the
scenery of this fine stared. He alai announced that the
anniverwary meeting and (linear of the society would take
place es Monday, the 23rd of May.

ROYAL INSTITUTION OF GMAT BRITAIN....At the
gemersl seeethly meethig ea Monday, Mr. William Pole,
F.R.8., treasurer sad vice-president. in the chair,
the Han. Hairy Frederick Cowper, Mr. George CliveALP.,
Lieutement-Ookmel George Palmer Evelyn, Mr. William
Dell, and Mr. William Graham, were elected members of
the Metitatice.

ROYAL COLLSOZ OF SITHOROIte OF ENGLAND.
The followiagjealleami, harbor undertow, the noomeary
szatoisations foe the diploma, were admitted membered the
college at • mating of the Court of Examiners on the 10th
Met., viz. :—Msears. Mesa View Bonin, L.R.C.P. Loud.,
St. John's-wood ; Charles Maids, Brewer, Newport, Mon-
mouthshire ; Holbert Bramwhhe Spargin, Threpotoss,
Noetbsniptosthire ; Charles St. Auby• Hawk**, Rodreith ;
George ..asder Aug Coats& Sirhowy. Moomouth-
shire Thomas EdwaM Dario, Hayes, Liverpool ;tx
Growcock, Falungbarn, Linoshishw• ; Moro
Woolley, sear Rory St. Ednassida ; Martindale Cowslade
ward, Markham-square ; Jaen Wheelock nitwit, An.
Maya, W. I. • Robert Charles Earle, Tatum, Devon ;
Herbed Char.. Pickard Kuser. Longford, Derr Coventry ;
Gawps Paddon. Hilskis, Herta ; William Slingeby Mann,
Bernonghun ; Mosey Richard Smith, Newark Notts ;
William Brahma Goodfellow, Com
iremercial-road •, Hoary
Todd Becoghtos, Radford, Yeekab ; Fredatick Henry
Hums, Anga-torraes. Wheat ; James Salim Meyers,
Dements, West lodise; John Druat, Gaineboroagh ;
Charles Frederick Haight, L.S. A., Brill, Backs; Joseph
Morris, LP..O.P. and L.E.A., Pitsdloy, Warwickshire; arid
Hoary Gilbert Jackson, Loeb.
WORKING Mmes Own AHD Iwnrirrn.—Yester-
day morning a conferthes os working men's alias sad
institutes weri mess& at the Whitiiiiikm Club, under the
preaidemy of the Fen of Lichfield, who was emporia by
Lord Lytheltris, Sir F. Grey, Mr. High Otran, of the Poor
Law Board, Dr. /Mott, and other mistletoe*. The pro-
omdMp wars of a strictly practical character. After
sa adrese from the aminnao on the import
ante of the.. mime, Lord Lethal.= indicated what
shook' be the satyrs d tho rules, recommending that
they should not be of too stringent • character, and that
due goarantess should b. 11,1141 to subscribers that their
molter should be applied to the objects for s hi& it was
paid, while the legitimate ealf•governiaient by the members
of the elute should nut be nassomearily intorfered with.
Mr. H. Orrim expressed a hop• that proper safeguards
would be takes for the sectuity of ths property of the club.
Raise were ultimately adopted, and rimy valuable macs-
time were made for the filters workbag of the institution.
At an adjourned meeting to the evening papers ware read
on the internal working of the (dab, and ea to the mature of
the payemate to be Mmk.
THE RIGHT or PUBLIC MEETING IN TIM
• palate maistisg. monerausly attesided, was held last sight
at the rooms of the Univocal League for the Welfare of the
Induatrious Glares, Oreek-street, Soho, for the purport of
comidenag she boot steps to be takes ire ..curia; th• right
of the people to meet i• the parka to discuss political ix
social subjects. Mr. Edmund Beam was coiled to the char,
and optima the business by detailing the promediags res-
pected with the late Garibaldi meeting on Priairose-hill,
and cosclolod by reading the resolutions relating to the
tight of public amities adopted on that cromaion. Con-
siderable diminution ensued, and the following resolution
wm ultimately canted usanintowsly Proposed by
Captain 1). Rogers, said soomded by Mr. Side " That
this meatier/is of °pram that the resolution pared at the
Primrose-11R mating, co Saturday last, should be forwarded
to the mektmelitaa ..ambersof parihmest, with a request
to the neinitheen for Maryleboae to ask the government If
there is say doubt as to the right of the people of Lemke
to mast peaceably is the prim, or other open spasm, to oos.
eider any political or social quesairos &Ater og their interims;
and that in the event of the govere meat claming any power
to interfere with such right, the, that the necessary further
step for eeeeltilshias work right be take. into weirdos-
ties." It was them resolved that la. anotioa should shad
adjourned until alter the answer of the gommunsat had bola
given to the above question.
Sinewm-Hotzrms.—At a meeting of the Lon-
don filiserimßolstsin Committee, held yes...to:lay msobg,
Mr. Ilisistsmans is the chair, a remilutioo waireenried to th•
effect that the pertiaipatioo of Germs goversermin is the
Cockcroft is to be comidared tantamount to sa set of
treason against the Garman nation. It was further meowed
to direct the attrition et the Germans in Enidasd to the
fast that say steps date or attempted to be done by them
with • view of isfbeestring M. von Benet is his moduslist
Coeferosse would bit a practical scknowledgmeni of Ws
Ckefortroa.

ABOUTION or TtOINFIXEB OX TEI SMUT SIDE
or TEI Taassa.—A osamoletee has Imes formed for this
*bpi, isoladiag the maws of Sir Jeeple Autos, 14r. W.
Jaime', M.P., sad other moth= of Ito late Toll Bohm
Omeadise. TM sooduet at the proceedings ha. bora
placid aulairely s the heads of Yea. J. E. Bradfield, the
radium/Pry st sat of the lato ormaelttes.
num OF LOXDON.—It appears from the report
of the Ragistrardleseral that 1,311 drabs were registered is
Loathe is lbs wash that eroded beet estarday. Ice tie lea
carrespaals. weeks of the years 1854-63, the amuse
amber we. 1,1911 whisk if raised Is propmies to M.
maw at prisms would give • merheft kw the perm
wt time of 1.311. The deaths of Let week sawmills%
Mealy with the estimated amomt. 319 deaths marred
ham spade dimes ; of those 9 were caused fry &
pox, 55 by aessies, 40 by werlatim, 9 try dislikes* am
by 21
whoopeaspegh, sad 65 by typhus. 216 mom dial from
themes of the respirasoey organs faxstariar of plithisis),
bromidlis was Mal is 121 emu sad pasamis i 74.
PPM* earrisd if 183 pe50.,136 of these dying between
the saes of 10 sad SO yews. peewee were killed by
nhieMe Is tie *Meth The daughter of a goatlemas, seed
15 years, didat Sydasbast-rias, Forast-hill, from typhoid
favor maim
_pasumala 3 days. TIM medial sits..
chat remarks, " MM., Sydeakam-dear, is the
with of Outhermit, Is is • most maatishotory sits "
• boy =l3 years, appreatiosd to a pawnbroker, ma-
Ris.•l fersals, aged le yews, dad at the Vain
Beam Orstawkk, sa led limy, frees imitation sad sin
maim Mat weak Iles births et 96f bop sad 912 girth la
all 1.979 ebildrem were regiebiral la Leaded. la the tris
ama weakest the yeses 1115443 the spe
tese= 5) ems U K
(Adreeiimatest.)—Homowafa Pmts.—Watch
. thoWootiwc—This fed, whom the teat cosaeol air wield to
rinetratod i ttilo soma WE Mt Whew it? Will own an
dimes his roirimmt or the tompowilwro voila t The ant beet
, Milos lo hire is reediwore a bow et loilowaye Pak rad with
them to =So liroterwrisa. or stop the slig spit
=...toilltor lir =Zoe drew iewiter•
mired by willfilibs god rispessiV ter eat-
olorwr. 511011WIL Ind mho the
sust :repprambesis ,1141116•1 mt Apg macaw
Wis "lCarliel -1"1"1" 91d.