The Express.
London, England, 1855-05-15 00:00:00

fIIE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 15, 1855.

d the government to form the plea Of the eane-•
page, sat place it in the hands of tee gethral to when they
entrusted its conduct, and the most perfect instruaset that
*old be provided—that was, a wellegulpped army. It
wee fee the peered to carry Intel execution the pleas of the
getheameat, and parliament had only to deal with the eth-
duet of the governweet. At th, eummeneenseat of the
war he had missed their lord-hips set to look too elessly
into the °Padget of the office* in command of their
armies and Beets ; he reminded them that military honour
was extremely sensitive, and that a•feeling et tee great
snaleti R4ht prevent von from exerting all their enerdee
is the public eervier--that the hope of public approbation
and the fear of public discredit was eutticient to spur their
ofikers to every (dot ; be would adhere note to the vale he
had prescribed to others, and in all be had ti say be would
nada' himself to the conduct of the government. (Hear,
hear.) For the purpose of conducting a war, he apps
headed that it would be admitted that it was athemery to
have men eau animals, men aided by animal., sad
the safeties of a government in the eandoet of a
war should he to provide the g 1 with aa army
sufilciently strong, and the means of moving that army
It was by increasing the bounty at an early period that the
army could be increased. On a receetoceseion the Minbter of
War eery properly issued a circular to the militia, and re-
leased from services those who bad not entered with the
understanding that they were to ho embodied. But he ac-
companied that measure with the edoptius of • bounty so
extremely email as nut only to endanger the memoir*, bat
almost to enure its failure. (Hear, hear.) We have, mid the
noble earl, lost the services of 16,000 to 20,000 men fee the
purpose of saving some 60,0001. or 60,0001. a year. (User.)
There had been a* real economy except is that in which
parsimoey was most to Sc regretted, and in which liberality
was most to be observed in the ebtrining of mesa
for the army and navy, and in supplying that
army with the means of movement. (Hear, hear.)
ventured at an early period of the war to bring before your
lordships the necessity of taking measures for that purpose.
It is only within the lest three months that any effective
measures have been taken with that view. And at this
moment that army cannot move, and
to move. Its imenoveactlity, from the want of animals, has
been the cause of many errors which have pervaded the
campaign. My lords, early in the last year it was decided,
and I Souk mot properly decided, to separate the colonial
from the war departmett. But, my lords, at the time that
division took place no measure* were adopted, as they should
have bee., at the same time, for the purpose of strengthen-
ing the hands of the Minister of War. (Hear, hear.)
Now, I entirely object to the principle of robing to pieces
treat departments in the midst of a war. I thiAt it was
totally. uansesseiry. The only thing absolutely necemary
was to give the Minister of War fell power over subordinate
depart:seats; making his order run through them, and
compelling the immediate execution of that which he di-
rected. (Hear.) It my noble friend the noble duke had hail
that power given to him, if he bad surrounded himsell with
a military staff, as he shou!d have done, instead of civil
clerks ;if it bad been tbroughly understood that in giving
his order, it was to be at once executed in all the de-
pertinent' of the war, I Sealy believe that many
of the disasters which have taken place would
have been arsenate,. Bat I fear my noble friend has
had to fight battles here as well as in the Crimea. (Hein
hear.) I believe he bad to wrest tho commissariat from Sir
C. Trevelysn, that he had to wrest the transport corps from
the commissariat. There were diffloolties here as well es
there, ash these difficulties to a great extent led to the
failure that we experienced. (Hoer, hear) At the com-
mencement of a war it was a matter of the must anxious and
careful consideratim with the government in giving the
commend of the war, in what manner our forces should set,
whether they should set as a separate body, or unite is
operations with those of France. The objectious to the anion
were obvious. The existence of a divided command was an

ineonvenimos which no extent of cordiality and good seam on
the part of the generals could by possibility altogether alter.
It is almost impossible for any two men, however able they
may be, to conduct difficult military operations with success
on the prieciple of a divided authority. (Hear.) The great
Nay/loon had stated with iriatb, when toe Mist of sendieg
another general to act with him was suggested, that they had
better send one ordinary man than two generale, however
able. Depend upon it unity of command contributes to sitc-
om. (Hear.) We hays had as opportunity of employing
our troops, to a certain extent, in 'operate expeditions, but
we bats the Baltic before us, which was the tree theatre of
our operatics'. It was decided, after all, I cannot tell
why, to make the forces of the two countries, army and
navy, set together, and although there may have been
some advantage in that, I think it was an
advantage dearly purchased by the want of omit, of com-
mand. The war was to be conducted in the Baltic and
Black Seas. Any one who takes the trouble of looking at
the charts of the Baltic will have seen that whilst Russia
took every precaution for her dotting by the erection of
defences to prevent ships of large draught of water from
entering her ports or coming near her dockyards, the Mlle
precautions wen not taken against vessels of smaller
draught. No fortifications were erected. Sweeborg or
Croastadt might have been attacked by vessels of a small
draught of water. It was also obvious that it would
be most advisable to have • body of troops at hand
for sue. ea °Dentin.; because by taking away the
mariner, mid employing them on shore, you materially
diminish the strength of the ships wail maks them less fit
for action. (Hear.) Neither of 'dime things escarrea to
the government. They sent a fleet to the Baltic without
gunboats and without troops. (Hear) They made it ins-
possible to obtain same' with the means they placed in the
admiral's hands. (Hear.) The admiral did as mush as he
could with the means placed at his disposal. (Hear.) I
deeply regret that the public expectation +outsized so high
at the commencement of the war as to induce the public to
beliove that some extraordinary service was to be performed
by our fleet in the Baltic For that exaggerated expecta-
tion two members of the g.ivernatent were particularly
responsible. (Hear) It is a serious thing to disappoint
Public expectation in a matter of that kind. (Hear, hear.)
It is a cruel thing towards the officer in command. (Hear,
hear.) Whilst Ido not question the conduct of the Admi-
ralty, or dispute their right to state or not to state their
reasons for ordering an carer to haul down his fi ig, still I say
that it is essential you should consult and carefully consider
the feelings of the officer so directed to give up his com-
mand—(beer, hear)—and I deeply rivet to find that Sir C.
Napier is not the only officer in that fleet who has just
grounds of complaint as to be manner in which he has bees
treated. (Hear, hear.) I consider it • public duty to con-
sult the feeling: of every officer employed in the govern-
ment. (Rear, hear.) do much for the Baltic expedition.
It was determined to send an army to the Mediter-
ranean by Malta, Gallipoli and Constantinople. I
tan no objection to make to the advance to
Malta, or even to Gallipoli or Constantinople. I think
the two_ lest were _ correct under the then einem-

elimess et the war. But when these troops arrived at COn-
stentluiple it was foe the government to take a general
wiemetthe war then carried as on the shores of the Black
the, thresher carried en between Turkey and Russia. That
war (misted is Asia as well as on the Danube, and up to the
present moment the war in Asia, which is almost as irs-
pertain re that on the Danube, has been altogether ne-
Peened. (Bear.) I say it is as important because I recollect
well the feeling which existed in the year 1829, and the
apprehensions which were then eetestaund of the advises
of Prince Paakiewiteh upon &imam All that time the
danger to Constantinople was conoitheed u great ea as
Asiatic as on the European shore; tint the whole vital
strength of Turkey was not iu Strospi, bet in Asia ; that •
blow struck in Asia would parapet ale empire, and meth
than that, that the whole comfier between Turkey end
Persia being clamed on through 'hobbled wed Murtha%
the whole of that trade woad be put en end to. Persia
would be isolated, and her polity thereby itheeted. (Hue.)
But we do net carry on war in MISS in theseige, with arm
against army, we have nations there 1111•11111111114 beg ME
disposed to throw off the yoke ; there le elether• pith
nation there fighting successfully in defense of thews in-
depeedenee. We should make war with their Sale es well
as with the troops which we could detach meatus to aid
them. But that has been altogether 'Kelowna, and, as far
as I esa recollect, the appointment of Col. Williams, who
was went gut es ennsimioner, appeared in a day or tee after
the teeth of the defeat of Turkey at Rue wee reesind,
by whisk delis Ethenann wag threatened, and only sued
by the advisee ef Behanyl. This bens the duty of the
=la.il, to leek et the whale war, d net ea as iso-
s an
point,l
it wee • nest serious defect in the eciethet of
the war, that nothing should have been done for the pur-
ples of active hostility is Asia. (Hear, hear.) It was
decided to send troops to Varna. I approve entirely of that
movement. I thank my noble friend the head of the late
government for having premed it upon his colleague. I
Welk he did it rightly, sad for the reasons he amigned,
Meuse it was not only a good military position, but " it
Pee the hand to Atheria." Thee were the expreedeas he
meet; lead the view he essertakeed was perfectly just. The
army proceeded to Venn, end fella that position It wee able
to threaten Odessa, Illebeetem st, Amapa, sr say other point
of the Russiaa tiering, dm the Blink Bee, wldbt it gave
tenuity to the army that wee siting em the Deaths. But
no sooner wee our army there—se after did we give the
hand to Austria—no Bonn wee Austria about to rest upon
it—than we withdrew. Mink that the est of ending an
expedition to the Crimea after the ge-theratien of Austria
in the Prioaipalities wee Invited, was upset en error in
diplomacy as it was in war. (Hear.) I thawed to amities
the government at the time as to the Week is would have.
We have never up to this day bees is the MSS position
with regard to Austria me that in whisk we were when that
theperation was given. (Rees, heat) What did Austria
my when informed of the kelontlem of sending an
expedition to the Crimea ? " net abase my
pooition. I cannot water* m flgltt Ruth by myself,
and you have withdrawn the focus whisk might he,. es-
Mated me." And what have you doge neently, almost at
the very time when you were about to ether intometie,
togs? Ton have withdrawn the Turkish may, ad eget
that army from the Principalities to Ethateria. Thalimee
the only amistance Austria could hue. At the thimmet
when she most needed animus yes* withdrew it fesee Is,
and left her denuded and canned dens • line of ibmierm
'roadies from the Peuth to the oath of Gillian, Intim
attacks of Russia, with Oweeent maeortabi blind bib
(Hear, bear.) Can you, my I=ersilaila
of Austria it you say that dee thine BEM.
when that timidity is eddy Is bethtelbued to tits nth►
take of the government la sluing the az=M esla►
topol sad to Espanola? These tens
Austria, end till your army is la a petilje•
is which Austria sue depend open lk,, Ansleksina avow
venture to give youths mitten's you desire. Tie leeldref
rte 14th of Jane between Austria and Turkey wet SOWS
ate of the rabies of the siege of &thine. If yea!=
at Varna had the meths of movement, could it he
that Were the ulnas et that asp yes would lan anneal

tothe sawn of Turkey i Was it not distractive of every •
bang el Millitery honour to allow a great forever, sad the
roe stlegsaid of year ally, to be taken tended Your Own
lc p (Hear, hear.) That was not the fault of the pawl.
Waa, he the niseenomat left gio army CO"
(iiser,_
re
hear.) When Russia wet wspelled
abeam
of Austria, to tire from the Peladpalitielt
ian
any general in command press on their rest. and
from taking the plunder of the Prinelpalities,
me from Yarns ? (Hear.) But your army could
cr.*
a Ineiri. strwhy ? Becawie me governMesit had not
provided it with the means of movement. It was sot the
fault of the gegen', bat the government. (Hear, hear.)
Nothisg sufficient was done for the purports of making the
troops an army, because the troops wero not an srutPuldees
they could moms in the field. (Hear.) Consider whet our
position would have been if the army had Wu able to
move. You had more than 120,000 troops of the allies
in conjunction with and stippol.d by Austria;
sod what would have been the effect of • move-
ment on their pert? You would have had Bessarabia;
yea would have sommenced the campaign from the
Dniester and the fint movement would have placed Odessa
and Nicidai older your feet. Bat, however, it was deter-
milted to seed the expedition to Sebastopol. That nap-ditton
involved two conditions both total to the efficiency of au
way. One was, that it was quite impossible to send •
*efficient form of cavalry or a sufficient quantity of animals
to suable the army to move. F,,r this reesoe you have
sewer been able to follow up your victories with decisive
offset. II you bad had a sufficient cavalry force, the via
tory lathe Alms would probably have destroyed the Russian
army. If you had had tb• woos el movement, yen might
have eat off the retrtett when Mentchikoff was crowing the
Balboa What hitt,' position of your army at this moment?
You have the worn to it, but you cannot move it in any di-
rection ; it cannot advance; it is placed in • puction in which
it cannot obtain any decisive success, and it is platted there by
the sot of the government. (Hear, hear.) It is the govern-
ment I seettse for pl.c.ng it in such • position. Imy no-
thing of the indieetetien of seudiou an army acmes the se•
at the time of the equinox in 400 vessels, without suffi-
ciently reconnoitring the place Of ascertaining what the
amount of defence might be or the number of the enemy's
forces to meet you. I sea only say, that if any general had
ventured of his own authority to do that in the geld shish
you compelled your general to do—to attack a plea, sad
if he failed in that attack, in consequent,* of W
hay* had information or reconnoitred the plass
—he would be taken before a court-martial and dis-
missed. (Hear, hear) You, the government, theist
I my, are answerable for having etlerted operations under
these eircuntstatteat. I will not go into the impolicy of the
expedition. Even if you had destroyed Sebastopol sad
eves away, you would still have no security for pew.
You threw sway • great army by placing it in a most in-
ecavenient position, whet see a blockade would have effected
all your object. (Hear.) On these amounts I say the gee
vernment have not conducted the war well by placing the
army in a position in which they could not obtain any
decisive success. (Hear.) And now as regards the third
point, namely, toe exposure of the troops to sufferings
which forethought might have ed. Is there one man
is the country who does not believe this to be the we 2
(Hear.) The gentleman who properly advised the govern-
ment at the oommenoement of the war tells you teat the
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lass of the lives of huedrede, and the misery of thousands
were in eearniquene• of not doing that which might have
been done by forethought. No instructions were given to
your admiral for the preparation of transports. I recollect
that when I was for a short time engaged with the Duke of
Wellington and Sir 0. Cockoorn in the preparation of an
expedition to Chios, we did not fury t to provide for the
sick and wounded. A 74 gun ship was sent oat, and fitted
for the purpose of receiving the sick and wounded, although
the seat of war was 25,000 miles distant Jogged of 3,000.
I will not enter upon the melancholy details of the confu-
sion that reigned in the transport service, the Ordnance,
medical department, the :eepateb of stores, and the late-
nem of their arrivat—the usual period that elapsed between
the demand sn4 the supply being three months. Nor will
I attempt to harrow up your minds, by tracing the pump
of the wounded and the sick from the camp to Belaklays—
who w• re canted by the humanity of our allies ; the state
of destitution on shore or the horrors of the middle plunge ;
or the abominations at Scutari. (Hear, hear.) All them
things will be chronicled by the truthful pen of history.
They are now in the minds of every one ; and it is therefore
fortunately anoecessery form to refer to them. But we
have allowed what has been ststed of the calamities to which
our army has been exposed. And I think the opinion of all
men is this, that however defective may have been
the system, it is not that alone which is to be
impugned, but the conduct of the men by which
that system has been carried on. (Hear, hear.)
To attribute any defect to the system is the subterfuge of
sonsisted medioorit (" Hen, hear," cheers, sad
laughter.) Mediocrity succumbs to eyvtern—ability don&
sates system. (Cheers.) Piablio zeal, seconded by peblie
ability, will drive almost any system into the right course
(Cheers.) But that has not been done; and one of the west
distressing circumstances produced before the oonunittes on
Sebastopol has been to prove not so much the detests of the
system' as the extent of mediocrity which pervades all the
public departments. It is this which has led very pee.
rally the people of this country to believe that it is abso-
lutely necessary for the future to adopt a new principle in
the selections of 0g1e... .0 al
tor psllo elnUP.I..b.
enures yr accede to their views. It is my belief that the
hest of all governments is that government which affords
the greatest facilities fur the obtaining the assistance of the
ablest men for the public service. (Hear, hear.) It was on
that prioeiple I opposed the Reform Bill. I said it was not
ealeulated to produce io the Rims, of Commons the ablest
imma. Was I nght ? (Hear, hear) la the anise of Com-
INN Mors distiogaished for ability now than it was in fur-
fit ? Rave we not been compelled to use up all the
di Ems in that house—(laughter)—because the regenerated

House of Commons has not Prot:aced able men ? say I
un in favour of ►dmmistratire reform precisely upon the
" ablest

same principle. I desire to see the men
in the public mein. I can recollect well, many
ynrs goo, being much struck with the observa-
tion of a philosophic historian, who treated of the
causes of the soccer and grandeur of the Roman republic.
He compared an the circumstances of that republic with
the deco II of other states which seemed to have
and - of tunes? Bat he said ✓

MAW WM. Medea, Hot he said that
the cuss of the mono of the Roman republic was this—the
great virtue and ability of a few men. That was the teal
secret of the great success of that republic. It is to further
that object—to bring able men into the public service, that
I now altogether adopt the principle which is generally re-
ceived at the present tine by this country. I can recollect
having heard that Mr. Pitt one, said, that in the whole
course of his life he had hardly been able to give
three or fear situations to the persons he would have pre-
fared. Yet he vies a most powerful minister, a bold mind
and proud maa, which is the best security after all for the
Performance of public duty. (Heir, ar, and a laugh.)
Yet he was so eseonspaseed by the trammels of parliamen-
tary government, that wits all Isis strength that was the result
of his experience. What was the result of his policy?
Failure in war. Notwitutandiest all the sacrifice* and
ezertions of the troops, failure in military operations was the
general characterises of Mr. Pitt's policy ; and that was in
a great measure to bo ascribed to the action of that seer-
sky which did sot permit him to look abroad for the ablest
mu. How different was the conduct of his great father f
His disdained tease trammels, end always acted faders-
deafly of them. He selected as fittest men he eight led
ler the Falk service. What was the result ? He restored
eoeliesse to the people, and victory to use arms. (Hem)
With the swam aohisved by his energy of character and p-
aleabefore oar eyes, are we to 'bring from the applies
co ear own time. of his principles in deference to
neenemel feelings sad political mediocrity? (Cheers.)
Mew much more agreeable would the possession of office be
to the minister who wad =stare to set boldly in that
way. He would feel at least that whatever imputed,
whatever may be the susem of his gownsman, he hod
fulfilled the moral °Wigans he blurred in accepting otos.
(Hear, kw.) But, my kids, how can we, sitting here by
hereditary right which his beet conferred on us for the
services of our ancestors to the state, and because of their
i Muse for public employment—how, my lords, can we re-
fuss to adopt that principle which is the principle of our
own origin ? (Hear bur.) Because my father wu a
great lawyer, buses; he woe selected for his Stases, I am
able to it in Ibis bum It was not great fortune, or high
birth, or party merit, or favour, but his ability es a lawyer
and his fitness foe office that made Mr. Yorke a lord chan-
cellor and an serf. (Hear, bear.) It was not by favour,
but by fitness and ability as a diplomatist, that Sir J.
Harris was created Berl of Malmesbury. (Hear, hear.)
It was not favour but ability that raised the father of my
noble friend opposite, the father of the noble viscount (Cap-
sing) to Aloe, and that title, which was the jut reward of
the noble viscount now. (Cheers.) It was not favour, but
merit, that raised tie Cecile, cad made them the ministers
of Elisabeth sad James, and the founders of two gnat
families. (Haar, hear.) Is it for us, my lords, who sit here
by the services dour ancestors, who enjoy our dignity and
sat heaven by the fitness for offices and the services of
ssetellaws—it it for us to turn round and to say, it is
Ina Mr musters have been raised by their own fitness,
end therefore we, and our relatives with us, are now to en-
joy Ake. (Hear, hear.) I trust your lordship will adopt
a different view of the interest and honour of this haste.
I trust you will place yourself on this measles in the frost
of the people, and that you will listen to the
eomplainta and give satisfaction to the public feeling
that now exists in the country. (Hear, hear)
I trust, my lords, Juan fully alive to the greatness of the
crisis in which we stead, sad that yes feel all the dangers
of the contest in which we are Rigged. (Hear.) I feel
myself that through this imetest, whia may be a untreated
one, we may have need of aka support of the
(Hear, heir.) I desire M mare that support by
lag the hieing of this beam with the pablie .
(Hear.) I dMee In pion the eeantry ea our ides la eider
that we may ptmid to the enemy we here Is Inellesior do
impost et a tsiW people► es* that we new. &Ids a sense
sad IMsessebie peaseb,
iZzaessethiesibizlleasst
=l4by the eh* et
The ache end esishalled, modal Asses. bthey
IVthe IdMwiss:
es humble sehves be pesseeted
T. swan bar Msatety of est atatimed sweet fs the
eraof the just and sessesasy war fa dish her Ci Ma-
essesed.
• bite the dame stedisatlea with whirl we have
MJell petty* emusseity of emote betwesi her
est thi Moweses of the French, sad bare ens
astablhbed sod Masashi hatpins the heath
people sal war ewe; news fitl st he Ike Paters le
elm Whom well 111 te etweihwi
Te owes est admire*a et the many deeds of salsas be
Wit the allied tense Is the Beat have Illesiwasdibehr

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brotherhood in arras, and Sc' satisfaction that the brews'
army of Piedmont is now calm to participate to mom
action sad is their fans.
To dealers our perensiba chat, maid all their disappoint-
ments, the worn of this country still retain the generous
feellegs which led them at the commencement of the war
willingly to place all the means required from them at bar
Majesty's disposal; that they will still protect the weak
against the aggression of the strong ; and that they are not
prepared to sewn that Russia shell, by her increasing pre-
ponderates*, so control the Turkish government as practi-
cally to hold Constantinople within her grasp.
To acquaint her Majesty that, while we admit sad
lam. at the privations to which war necessarily subjects all
clams of the people, we yet venture to assure her Majesty
that they would in so jest a nun bear those privations
without complaint if they could feel that the war had been
well ',lndented, that the troops had not been ezposed ti
any hardship, which could have been avoided by fore.
thought, and that everything had been done to enable them
to etotieve decisive saner. _ _

Humble to represent to her Majesty that her people, suf-
fering privations on account of the war, have as yet had no
such consolation ; that, on the amnesty, we cannot with-
hold from bee Majesty the avowal of our conviction that
the conduct of the war bee oceasimed g Idi satiefse-
non, end lives rim to just o toplsinte ; end that we must
bumMy lay before her Majesty our deliberate opinion that
it a only through the seleetion of men for pubic employ-
ment, without regard to onythseg but the public service,
that the country can hope to prosecute the war successfully,
end to obtain its only legitimate object—ammo and honour-
able peace.

Lord PANMIJRE rose, and said—My Lords, after the
able and eloquent address of the noble earl.l should certainly
have expected that he would have concluded with a very
different address than that which he made. (Hear.) That
address commences with truisms which no one could ever
think of contradicting; it contains coagratulvtions la which
every man must unite; it then proceeds to accusations as to
the misconduct of the war, and draws a conclusion
which has been derived from public meetings—namely,

that till the proper persons are placed in their
proper position, and selected for the public service,
the hope of the country for an honourable and
permanent peace will never be realis.d, or to use
the quaint expression of his friend Mr. Drummond,
artless the square men are put into the square holes, and the
round men into the round holes, you never will have things
go right. (Laughter.) It appears from the tenor of the
address of the noble earl that till that party with which he
has now associated himself shall have turned out this govern-
ment and occupied their places, nothing will go right
in the conduct of the war, and that no honourable or per-
manent peace can be secured. (" Hear," and laughter.)
Looking at that address, It is impossible fur me, without
exposing myself to misrepre.entation, to deny that there are
parts of it to which I give my c,rdial ass-at. (Hear, hear.)
But in other parts tie government recognises a censors to
which they 'ascot submit. (Hear, hese.) It will, there-
fore, be my duty to move that this quer ion be not put—to
receive it is that shape which sh:Il prove to your lordships
that her Majeety's government have treated it in the cha-
racter which it is intended to bear, and give it their most
decided opposition. I will draw your lordships' attention
to the character of the address. Who will venture to deny
the jesties of the praise wrich is bestowed on those often,
both of the naval and military services, who have distio-
guished themselves in their country's cause during the pre-
tent war ? Who will venture to undervalue the patience with
which they have endured suffering ? Who will venture to on-
derrote the gallantry with watch bath udioere and men have
performed every duty to which they have been called ?
(Hear, hear.) There is no one who regrets mere deeply
than I do the ',offerings which have evended the army in'
the East; but I an not admit that all these sufferings hare
arisen from the misconduct of the government, or tout they
have been brought upon our army by the neglect of those
means which should have been taken by the government at
home. We must all recollect that when this army took the
field, England bad been at peace for upwards of forty years.
We meet remember th. t, during those forty years, govern-
ment attar government had employed themselves, not in
extendieg the military efficiency of the army, but in econo-
mising those (femme which were devoted to that purpose.
(Hear, hear.) We must remember that it was only yester-
day that the Commander-huChief :n this country stated, in
his evidence before the committee of the Huse of Commons,
that during the government of the noble earl opposite,
the artillery had been reduced by that false economy to such
• point—
A Hosts Loan—No, no.

Lord PANMURE—If the noble lord will listen to what
I am saying. he will probably dud that the appropriate
comment upon it is rather 't yes, yes," than "no, no." I
was not seeking to flu the blame on the government of the
noble sail opposite. I stilted that, during the noble earl's
government, from the false economy which had previously
prevailed, the artillery war reduced to a state from which
the Commander-int Chief and the Muter-Gleneral of the
Ordnance, during the period of the noble earl's govern-
ment, erected It Into the condition in which it was found
seteeeeot....s., .hie (u•ter. hear.)
And so it was with all our military establishments. Vilma
little forese we bad were regimectally perfect, but they were
not calculated to undertake great operations; and I am
sure that the people of this country will make the allow-
ances which are necessary for an army sent into the field
under the circumstances in which Mat army was placed.

The noble earl has attacked great blame to the govern-
ment because, as he stated, that army was sent into
the field incapable of moving. It is quite tree that there
was no laud transport service attached at that time to the
army. The old waggon train bad been abandoned ; nothing
had been set up in its place by any government; and wheat
the army was milled upon to take he field, it wee natural to
suppose that its means of transport would not be selekiset.,
But I am bold to say that every means were taken to make
that transport se complete es possible ; and I do not believe
that it was owing to the want of means of moving forward
trout Varna that that army did not advance to the relief of
&Hattie. I most say that in these ress.utions I recognise,
not what the noble earl would have us suppose from his
speech—a we desire that the government should be ear-,
vied on by a selection of the b-st men for the service of the
state, without reference to their condition or standing, but
I recognise in it a general censure upon the government for
the toad wit of the war. I recognise the noble earl se throwing
upon her Majesty's government the whole and entire revisor
sibility of all the sufferings which the army has undergo**
end of the position in which it is now placed. Much has been
said about the state and condition of our army. I have
already stated that it is well known that that army, during
the winter season, suffered extremely in its position before
Sebastopol. I have already stated that from circumstances
over which the government of that time had little or no
*Mod, there existed • deficiency if homing and a defi-
ciency of suptilies of various kinds, which during the last
tour months has been entirely removed ; and at thismomeut
ma entitled to say tha that army is in u good a condition
as it was when it left this country, and teas prepared to
take the field, and to carry on any operation which may be
assigned to it, as it has ern been since the commencement

Of the war. (Hear, hear.) It is possible Ninth. noble earl
may hems doubts on that subject. He knows perfectly well
the strength of his own position ; he know. also the weak-
ness of mine. He knows that he may make, safely and
without cootradietion, assertions as to the strength end power
of oar army ; but he knows, on the other heed, that I am
Unable by dominants to reply to him—(hear, hear)—that I
en& restrained, by considerations of the public interest, from
giving him that wirer which I should be quits enabled to
Fake. (Hear, hoar.) That army, from the beginning of
ebruary—owing Ia a great measure to the means which
had been pre visedy taken by my noble friend who pre-
coded me in the 'Mae I sow hold—(ltear, hear)—owing to
the steps whisk ha bees tabs& by the sovernmeat which
t ures...ll "ritlenedidellselbilsil,teesdr tor"4l2gtits one
—crebegs.
elvedfliciencyaill!
roc she early net at February that army began to rid
i in the Crimes hem the eases of sickness ; the hoe-
L
pitak hoses gesdually to empty ; and its provides. and
supplies to anise with greater punctuality. Not only bu
the um bees faanstaiai in noiot of efficiency, but regu-
larly sine the beginsieg of March it has been derides
rilasesesumes ken this senate, sad from the ifediter-
rinses, shish bast pat it in a paid= of being more ready
fur oremedess et this cement dna it his ever bee* since it
mind is the Crimea. (Hear, lust.) The noble earl has
dwelt freshly on the duty of selecting proper men for the
MP, pines.; but dating the whole of hi. speech, and at
the nowiseles of it, I could not gather that the noble earl
amid gut lib heed upon a single instance and say that that
den had been put in an unfit place, or in whisk he could
as the severnagat of making say sake.s willch he
thought It wank hi. while to disapprove. (Hen, Mar.)
Whether the noble earl intended to Its this n'eetion of
unfit men in a military direction or not, and has since
changed his mind upon that subject, I am unable to say—
(bear, hear) ; but I do most heartily congratulate the noble
earl, I most heartily oongratulate your lordships' lime,
that you are not stalled upon to look at the question is that
septet. For I think that no more unpatriotic coarse could
have bees taken—as mires more dangerous to a favourable
issue to the war could have been adopted—than that your
lordship", by say vote or act of your., should lead the cool-
menden of our anny—nay, the very lowest grades la our
army—to suppose that parliament would be disposed in
gay way to do them an Wadies, or to reflect
upon their astioes, while they were dna* their
best ensegies of body and mind to the sank*
of their sesetrr. (Hear, bear.) Is it then la civil
employments that the noble earl lads that improver
men have been selects* for the ones. in which they have
been pined ? I think, if the noble earl advanced "ash a
charge, it was hiss duty at least to have pointed out in-
stances, that we might know the directioe* in which he
pointed. (Hear, hoer.) But he has laid his head upon no
one. It is reglaientfee him to disparage all pubis' man, by
• vogue and mimed easertis•—(bear, hear.)—leaving
everybody to mien tam himself the instance which the noble
sari skit have palmed eld, but whisk in his speech of to-'
night he hen wllsolg Mod M Swhatentiate. But the noble
earl simmand sense spikes in neassalen with that subject
is which I easest ogees He says that he opposed the
Rehm BM heave he thought that it limited the shake of
good UM fee the wk. of the e:untry. He said that se•cording to the ell genstitadon, you bad men In parliament
who MOM at es the busies. of the state ,• but that,
eines the pullineset had been established, it
had not reamed men Kul to those who presided;
that the piddle stpeetation had than
dieappointed •
and that 'skim bed •• fellers le this lessen. Now'
I moan Malt that =OM Bill has had my sash east:

Therese* men who have been brought forward under that
Reform Bill who have taken a part, and a distinguished
part, in the administration of public affairs—(hear, hear)—
and I still think that the effect of that reform has been to
bring forward men who are able to undertake the public
business. So fare. that argument goes, I think the noble
earl will lindlittle sympathy on the pat t of those with whom
he wishes to associate himself on this question. But, if 1
mistake not, he went further, and he talked of the contract
which now existed between the public men in parliament
and public men on the platforms of this country. The noble
earl seems to think that parliament formerly led public
opinion in this country, and that now public opinion too
much leads parliament. My lords, laman of those who
think teat public opinion is right in leading both parliament
• d governments. (Hear, hear.) To a certain ex-
tent g eat may and ought to understand
how public opinion is formed ; but, according
to the constitution of this country, it is my con-
viction that, oublic opinion, which is wholesomely formed in
this country, neither too rapidly nor too limitedly, ought to
lead both governments and parliament; and I for one sh old
be sorry Meer public opinion taking its tone from the
"'Foment, or even from the deliberations of parliament
itself. 1 now come to that part of the resolutions which
seems intended to cast a censure upon the government. The
ffect of that censors, if carried by a vote of oar lordships'
Wiese, can be but too apparent. My lords, I think this tact
is worthy of your serious consideration. Three months
have scarcely elapsed Circe we had a politioal crisis of per-
haps the moat extraordinary description which ever occurred
in this country. Daring th .t crisis, the government was
offered, I believe, to no less than four distinct individuals.
It was offered, among others, to the noble earl opposite, of
whole party toe noble earl who h-a moved this address thee
formed one, at least by public enunciation. Three
months ago, affairs, so far as the motion of the
noble earl touches them, were exactly the some
as they are now. The policy of the preceding
govoroment with regard to the whole management of the
war—the neglect to follow out the principles of the noble
earl in rerrard to the expedition to Gallipoli' to Constantino-
, ple, to Varna, and suSesquently to Sobastopol—stood
exactly in the same position a. they do now. The neglect to
carry the war into Asia was exactly the same as it is now.
Awl yet at that time, when the government was offered to
the noble earl opposite, and when the noble earl who has
moved these resolutions was to have filled in it the post
which would have enabled him to have cleared these diffi-
culties, or at all events to have acted on the principles which
he aow advocates—that offer of the government was
deliberately declined by the noble earl opposite (Derby) ;
and I think it is hardly lair that the noble earl should now
propose a censure urea the present government for a posi-
tion of affairs which he himsoif had the opportunity to
grapple with and remedy, by taking office under the noble
earl (Derby). But, I ask your lordships, is it likely to
prove of advantage to the conduct of the war—is it tit, in a
constitutional point of view, that we should be recurring,
within three months, to a chringo of government? (Hear.)
Is it desirable, at such a moment as this, that the ccur.try
should be agitated fir that purpose from one end to the
other? My lords, I say this is a serious question, on which
YOU will do well to deliberate before strafing the res-lu•
dins of the noble earl. I must say that, so far as this is a
matter of personal consideration to myself and my col-
leagues, we put it entirely out of the question. The public
must by this time know that it is no alight matter to under•
take the administration of the affairs of this country at any

time, mote especially during the occurrence of • meet
rosponsible and hazardous war. So far as personal consi-
derations arise, they are of a secondary character altogether;
but I must warn your lqrdshipe against these frequent
charges in the administration of affairs. (Hear, hear.) I
must warn your lordship that it is not upon slight or party
grounds that these changes ought to he made. It
is not because one party wishes to put out another
that these changes are to be made; otherwise, my
P.rds, the public will speedily say —" A plague
upon all your party disputes;" and they will
put an end to constitutional government altogether.
(Hear, hear) I warn you against precipitating crises of
Lois desetiption ; and I think it is my duty to remind you
of the recent changes thnt hese taken place, and to point
out to you the danger that may be incurred by frequent
changes of the same nature. I would therefore ask your
lordships to pause before giving your assent to this addreie,
and rather to seek, by teiectieg it, to calm down the minds
of the people upon the subject of the war, to enable the
executive g ,vernment to carry out the plans they have in
view with reference to the conduct of the war, and to enable
the commanders of our emits to rest with confidence on
the instructions which they may receive from a government
that has time to mature hose plans. (Hear, hear.) Above
all, I would warn your lordship, upon no light grounds,
at such a time as this, to give effect to • vote, the adoption
of which can settle nothing, but which can only leau to
grower uncertainty in public affairs, and in the prosecution
of that greet war in which we are at present engaged.
(Hear, hear )
The Earl of HmtritelGKE supported the resolutions; the
Earl of ELGIN applied them; the Earl of WiiNGlttLerat
raid he should vote fur them.

Earl GRANVILLE could not concur in the observation
of the noble earl (Wiachilses) that if the Russian fleet in
the Baltic bad come out last year we should have suffered
some atsaster. If there was one thing which he regretted
more than ....it..., it was that once an opportunity was
wanting to our gallant seamen to vindicate the honour of
the country. Considering what had fallen from the noble
earl who spoke third in the debits and from the noble earl
who spoke tint, he hoped that before the new government
was positively formed they would reconcile their conflicting
opinions. (Laughter.) He always considered that the
chief characteristic of the eloquence of the noble earl
(Ellenborough) was clearness, but that night it had been a
vague shrieking from coming to the question. (Hear, hear.)
In supporting the resolutions the noble earl said that
they could not be envied out so long as the present prinie
minister made his appointment, from feelings of a personal
and private nature.Tne noble earl has put himself at the head
or the Administrative Reform party in this country, and by
that party, and by come of the opposition papers, it had been
stated that none hot those who belonged to the great families
could obtain :ippeintereuts in the government; and it was
intimated that they had gone back to the times when the
heads of the 0 Jere?, the Howard, and the Cavendish fami-
lies appointed the members of the rovernment Now, he
believed he was the only G over who ,had any official em-
ployment. He was related to the Cavendithes ; but he saw
behind him a noble lord who was heir presumptive to the
Cavendish title, who had not shrunk in hit private ea.
parity from serving the public in many ways,
but up to that day had never held office.
So far as he remembered, the only relation of his bearing
the name of Cavendish who held office under the present
government, was attached to a foreign embassy. He be-
-1 lieved be (Earl Granville) was alio related to the Howard@ ;
but the Howard. had now become as large a family as the
Smiths. (Laughter.) With the exception of the noble lord
who had lately been appointed Lord Lieutenant of Ireland,
he remembered no Howard who was • member of the
governmen. ; and he had yet to learn that, either in Ireland
or in the W.st Riding, that noble lord had been considered
in any way inimical to the interests of the people. (Hear.)
He had better make a clean breast of it; and in order to
do so be was obliged to add that some who went before him
had • quiver full of daughters who did net die old maids—
(laughter)—that he had relations ow that side of the house
and on the other side of the house, and be bad the mis-
fortune to have no less than three cousins who were in
the protectionist administration of the noble earl opposite.
(Laughter.) Notwithstanding all this hereditary infirmity,
accidental circumstances bad thrown him, during what was
a very abort career compared with the long sad vigorous
life of the noble earl, in the way of the middle climes, and
no one appreciated more strongly than be did their great
qualities and virtues. He had seen moo of them, he be-
lieved, than the noble earl had had an opportunity of doing.
The noble earl had put himself forward as a link in the
chain which we, to bind Mr. Layard to the great censures-
tive rarty ; and he thought that when the noble earl at the
end of hie speech sneered at the commercial classes, he spoke
more freely his mind than he did ie the early part of his
speech, when he spoke in their favour. (Haar, bear.) He
thought there bad been some misapprehension both as to
public see, and also as to the facility of obtaining men of
business for official employment. The government lost the
secretary to the railway department, an officer of the Royal
Engineers, because a commercial company offered that
gentleman double the salary he was receiving; and be
knew a gentleman at the head of a department, who
salary was a thousand a year, who had bees offered two
thousand a year by a coaamercial firm. The ear bad been
made to himself to become chairman of cep et the greatest
commercial companies in the kingdom, an Oahe dalle Vied
by two member, of the aristocracy, one a diseemileggel the
Flantagenen, who he believed was doing the busiassa with
great advantage to the company. He mestiessal these
circumstances merely to show that men with ware eon.
anted with business were not so easily to be obtaised by
government. He believed it was a wall known fact that
Lord Palmerston offered a privy 000ncilship to Mr. Laiegt,
who de. lined it. That gentleman took high honours at
Cambridge, went to the law, then accepted a clerkship at
the Board of Trade, and after a short time left, is order to
try his chance at his profemion, and in one year he received
as professional gains exactly ten times the amount he bad
received within the same period in tee civil service of the
crown. He was afterwards at the head of a eons-
inertial company, which when he joined it was
almost in a state of bankruptcy, and which be teetered
to prosperity, and hi was now at the head of one of the
greatest railway companies in the country. That gentle-
man was just such a person as they would have wished to
join the government; but be gave exactly the same newer
that a gentleman in the City gave, that be wee tee much
engaged in his business. He had at that moment a list of
mercantile mess, of thatractore, civil engineer', and ethers,
men with whom he would as soon transact business as any
men he ever met with, but he did not think any on. of those
men would be foolish enough to give up their oodamerelal
career for the temporary occupation of political ones
(Hear, bear.) did not mention these cireansatesees
because he thought there were not persoae who might be
made available or the public service. He did sot agree
with the noble earl that there were not men in the Hewn of
Commons who might be fit for office, but he wished merely
to correct the misrepresentation that the offer of oaks
bad not been made. With regard to these resolutions
one of his objectless was the impressions they must
peados,. He remembered the noble earl opposite saying
that secrecy was one of the best means of mow is war.
Some groat commanders had thought It right to go beyond
ethreey—to exaggerate the importance of their_poeition, and
to cogent any defects. They all knew that Buda was as

great an adept at this, that she dictated tl-t-r-t;;7".""bea,,a,_
staple when she bad only 2,400 men. One of the eese._"."l.
commanders—Cherie* the Tenth of Swedm...da,etaiwn
commanders to tell him the truth, but telt. to ail the hi
the world. Washingten practised the same sate hag
enjoined his officers to do so. The Duke of Walt; 414
adopted a different and a more honest system ;
secret ail that ought to be concealed ; but when he ail,
palled to speak, ne spoke the truth. But we had gees
beyond this. We had done that which no other an:_wr
wuuld have dared to do ;we bad—to use the useuraZitil
foreign writer—held ourselves on the o,,rattel
table, and exported ourselves and our d,
to the whole world. (Hear, bear.) Beery
defect alleged—sometimes trim, sometimes' 'lag
sometimes aitogetner untounded—had been nan-t,
every paper and in every speech in and out of pale..
aall
044611,,_
and had beea rung through Eumpo, Asia, sal Amstly
Now he wa. not sure that this had been altogether a
vaut-le. He believed that to a great country taw Ea
d
proud of its resources and relying on it, strenga ~211414 liat.
Da wane, to sooty such stimulusstimulus to COrrret they fitTu
omission and of commission which had happened at tta
gaining of every war we had entered into, aud
ventured to say, would happen mono. But he sekaltakt
home, if thee were to continue this abuse of thensaa.
after the facts which warranted it were camp Ms
changed ? The whole effect of these resoluta*. after
compliment., to France end Sardinia, which they woolr•
value, because they knew why they were paid, wia
nounce to the world that at the begionine of the warped*
had shown none of the queetheatiene neeeohry for ,
success of the war, except mere Wawa' valour Nat s
word was said in them abeut the exertium sat our Vie,
which had conveyed ta the seat of wart hundred tb
oasssd
men, English, French, and Sardinian ; not one word caukt
use of modern inventions, by which the Reseals el*
allied armies bad been enabled to inform their gurersr a
within hall a day, of their +outland their m.ata. Not.;
word was said *eat private enterprise, in the farms*, at
Ora( railway whica bad been or each signal servcs; aat
word about our auceetsful /ending in the C. lanes, nor ash
the *doubted facts stated by private letter., by Pantie
disesteems, and by the correspondents of oewspapers, tat
there never was an army engaged in u campaign
more perfect state Chad Was the English army it
this moment. (Hear, hear.) He thougot it as
worthy of their lardships' consideration, what dm
would be produced by their passing such resolutions
tease Wnst effect, for *ample, it would team ups
Roe*, would play the game of deceit to the*
moment. Would the passing of these me lutions iodate
her to corns to terms of peace ? On the other hard, if she
knew hitter tbaa we did, and knew our army to be of
formidable cnarac;er, might she nut propose terra. of paste
i
whica we ought not to gm* to ? And if we Old &greets
them, what would he the effect on other c.aiutries Weald
they not take us at our word, and believe that we we
nutterly destitute of military organisation? Tne noble lord
had thews more c eufidence in the tams he snoual suggest
than to the milicery departments. He suggested opera.
tlier,raiilnitarßyterropeab;:ton of Austria ; bot, and in Georgia.
Theotions hadi desired liiredSl
moat as they valued the Austrian alliance, they did not
think it safe, or becoming the dignity of the flatten, tom*
all our miatary operations depenelent upon < en operation
of which it was impossible for us to be certain. (Hear,
hear.) And these resolutiens, being advocate by leading
members of the conservative party, would hare the wont
effect abroad; but it was not the lint time that the speeches
of the noble earl bad worked that effect in these countries--
them, hear)—and that was shown by the eagerness with
which they had been tracslated by Russian agents in Get-
many. (Mere.) It was teen sisal more laapottant to cos-
eider what affect the passing of tate.: resolutions would ttave
in France. Ho did not wish to deny that there arm a grew
peace party in France, and the tanks of that patty
bed been swollen by the greeter part of those
who opposed the present gave rumen*. Peace of itself ma
so great a blessii g, that the advocates of peace always have
considerable argument in their &rota ; but the principal
argument now in France was that they were embarked in a
war to which they sent three Frenchmen for one Ecelieh.
man, and in which Feance had no intere,t at all, but Eel-
land a great interest. That argument was to him perfectly
uoin•elleeitle ; fur ho did not see how it coda be oho*
that France had no interest, and &gland all the interest;
bow it was that to France, with her NI. d.terreuean in.
terries, the war was unimpocant, was to him perfectly un-
intelligible. The mily confirmation of this argument WM to
be faund in other speeches of the noble earl vibe
hart spoken first that night; and having given that
argument to the oppusitiun is France, be proceeded
to neght to give them another not less cogent.
He knew that notate lords would my that it would be an
encouragement to France, and not a discontagement, if*
j energetic government replaced one without energy; 'out
I could the noble earl guarantee to him, or the Free& But.
peror, or the French nation, chat the passing of the
tewlu-
I Lions would enable the world to see a modem Chatham,
who would infuse that energy and spirit into our public
I departments that would ensure immix ? (Hear, hear.)
Could he ensure him tram the danger of France feeling that
she h* embarked in a war allied to a country "unstable
as water," and which changed her administration every two
or three years; and he believed that this consideration
ought to weigh with noble lords, even thoagh there were
much more truth than existed in the resolutions. There
were LiA...imui peso:dents for such a motion. After the
battle of Ilenheins, else yam after the misconduct of the
war had been ly commented on in parliament,' all
these comments and alleged miscarriages did no: pr. vent the
glorious victory of Ramillies the year after. Their lordships
would not forge: the despondency which existed at the
commencement of the administration of the Earl of Chat.
ham, wed* did Rot, however, prevent a most brilliant vic-
tory; and after the battle of Tal ddresse s came in from
the City of Loud At arraigning the conduct of the duke, end
speeches ware made iu parliament predicting his army
being driven cut of the peninsula in three menthe, but that
did not prevent the most glorious success soon after. He
knew that success was in the *ads or Providence,
but be thematic it was not too much to express a
hove, after tao glorious landing in the Crimes, the
betties of Alma and of Inkerosann, and after the army
had recovered from its distresses, that there might be some
great encase in stare for us, notwithstanding aoything that
might have been said in that house. (Hear, hear) This
did cot dimioi4h tee responsibihty of toe house, and he
begged them to consider whether it was tair' just, or pro-
dent to adhere to these resolutions, ttliteniuttsly 'Lon& con-
trived to catch votes, but not to promote soy one great
national eibje-t. (Cheers.)

The Earl of DERBY said he agreed with the noble lord
in the disappointment which be had experienced at the
speech—the grandiloquent speech as he thought, but, as he
(the Earl • f Daby) termed it, the able sod statesmanlike
speech—of the noble earl, so entirely at variance in its ten-
dency and character foci chat the government had
anticipated. Re was well aware the, if not by the
noble earl who had just sat down, at least by his colleague
and thine who acted with him, it had been industriously
and sedulously circulated throughout she town, that it wee
the intention of his noble friend ante theme who acted with
him to make an invidious and unseemly attack on the con-
duct of our gallant troops and their commander, and he
knew how much that had been made use of to induce their
lordships' house last to sanction an attack made on the con-
mender of the forces, which would paralyse their efforts end
do the grossest injustice to men engaged actively and ses•
lously in the service of the country, and he knew not if
those feelings might not have bad their effect, if in the
whole course of the speech of his noble friend there had
been a singe word, expression, or gesture which could be
distorted into such a meaning. (Hear.) He understood
the sneering exp eeee ion made use of by the War Minister
congratulating the noble earl on having prudently altered
his motion, and having adopted a form of expression that
i would not violate the feelings of the country. The noble
lord had no right to throw cut such an insinuation—(hw,
hear)—for his noble friend had said, not only that night,
but in the lost session of parliament, and almost on every
occasion when this matter had been brought under the
consideration of their lordships' house, he bad constantly
abstained from military criticisms on the conduct of the war,
and on men who were discharging their important duties
abroad, and he sought act to thwart them by the fear that
they vomit. be made the subject of invidious criticism
in that house. In the Ant place there bid
been no ground for the insinuations that had bees
so freely thrown out as to his noble friend attack-
ing the army ; and as to the government, he congratalated
them on their ingenuity in endeavouring to connect the
conduct of the government in the management of the we
with those gallant led distinguished men. (lieu, hear.)
The resolutions which hail been moved by his noble friesd
had been ut.jected to, because they mutilated cf a series of
truisms. Were they a aeries of truisms? No doubt it was
a truism that the house viewed with sincere gratificaticat
the community of counsels between her Melte), and the
Emperor of toe French ; but he did not concur with the
noble earl opposite, that the expression of that gratiflcatioa
by the Huse of Lords would be regarded in France and
England as insignificant. (Hear, hear.) He spoke
with confidence of the great sympathy which bed
sprung up between the governments and the com-
manders of the allied army 00-operating with accounts
object in the Crimea, said he would not omit the apple'
city of saying it, for he believed it was only justice to the
noble lord, the commander of the forces, for nothing could
toad more to our advantage than the moaner in which that
noble lord had conducted hiaaself in all his communications
with our allies. (Cheers.) He dwelt on this, for he felt
all the injustioa of the remarks which hod been masa
reference to his noble friends the commander in chief, as
the commander of the fortes in the Crimea, and if then ha
been snob an inference, he hoped that he need not say that
he should be the last:man to support it. He need heel,
remind their lordships that it was upon hie recommendation
that her Majesty was pleased to call to the
command of her army his noble and gallant find.
He need not mention the high esteem he had for the
military qualifications of Lord Raglan, for he had moe.
riten not only that he should be Master-General of the
Ordnance, but also that his signet merits should be rewarded
with a seat is the assembly which he. had the bocce le
address—(hmar, hear)—end keying recommended that win!
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