The Express.
London, England, 1852-11-24 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS.—TURIDAY, Nov. 23.
TM Loan CRANCILLOR took Itic seat at live o'clock, sad
there being so buustese befogs the Loam their lordships int-
stediately adjourcoAl.

wircje•L

HOUSE OF COMMONS. —TOVIDAV, Nov. 2.3.
The &manila took the chair at the usual boar.
Several members were sworn in, amongst whom were
Mr. E. B. Roche ead Mr. G. H. Moore.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
EDWARD Mtiaaer.-137 Mr. EWART and Sir J. V.
SHELLEY, from Westminster; Mr. OLIVEIRA, from
the metropolis ; and other How Matthias, praying for in-
terference in favour of Edward Murray.
RETURNS ORDERED.
Oo the motion of Mr. JAW•itT the fohowieg returns were
Ordered : —Showing in what boroughs in England and
Wales libraries and museums have been formed under the
net (8 and 9 Vie. e. 43), "for encouraging the establish-
ment of museums in large towns," and under the act (13
and 11 Vie. c. GO, " for enabling town councils to establish
public libraries and museums ;" with the date of their
establishment ; the sum subscribed (if any) to promote such
establishment ; the number of votes polled fur and against
the introduction of the bet; the number of readers and
visitors admitted monthly since the establishment of such
libraries and museums ; the number of volumes contained
in each library ; the number of volumes issued month) to
readers in the library; the number of volumes issued to
readers out of the library in eases where there is a lending
library); the number or amount (in books, specimens of
natural history, works of art, or other objects, or in mosey)
of donations or bequed, to such libraries or museums; the
manual cost of maintaining such libraries or museums; and
the amount of the borough rate appropriated thereto. And
showing in what boroughs such libraries and museums are
in course of formation; with a report of the present state
and prospects of the same.
On the motion of Sir W. MoLiWoilli, the following re-
turns were ordered :--Copiis of all correspeadases between
bee Majesty's government in Canada, or say member
thereof, and the Secretary of State for the Colonies, on the
subject of the clergy reserves (in continuation of papers
presented to parliament by her Majesty's command, Feh-
r:vary, 18.12). Retarns, for every year since 1610, of the
mogul of the Clergy Reserve Feed of Canada, formed
inkr the act 3& 4 Vie., rep. 78, see. 3 ; of the payments
made oat of the raid fund to the church of England, to the
church of Scotland, and to any other religious meet, under
the act 3& 4 Vic., cap. 78, aces. 4 and 7; of the payments
made oat of the Ciono.i.idated Fund of the tuited Kingdom
to the church of England sod to the church of Scotland in
Upper Canada, under the act 3& 4 Vic, cap. 78, sec. 8;
and of any other payments made out of the revenue of the
United Kingdom to religious sects in Canada, distinguish-
ing each sect. Return of the extent of the clergy reserves
la Casa", the number of acres unsold, and their probable
value. Return of the remind abstract of the colonial ex-
penditure of Great Britain for the years 1819 .50, 146041,
and 1851-52 (in continuntion of parliamentary paper No.
627, of session 18.51). Returns of the number
of her Meji sty's troops who have been employed
in South Africa in each year since 1819.80 ; and,
of the general abstract of the expenditure by Great
Britain, on account of South Africa, fur each year since
1849,50 (in continuation of parliamentary paper, No. GM,
of minas 18.51, and No. 89, of omits 1802). teturn of
del number of her Majesty's troops who have been em-
ployed in the colonies of Great Britain in each of the yeses
1861 and 18.12 (in continuation of parliamentary paper, No.
666, of session 1852).
On the motion et Mr. R. Cetus were ordered copies
of all papers, soil of any correspondence between the Ad-
mireity and Mr. George Mateo relative to the
fitting up and trials of his patent machinery for grinding
corn at Deptford; together with the copies of the minutes
and report of any inquiry that has taken place by direction
of the Admiralty relating thereto.
• THE CONSTABLE OF THE TOWER.
Mr. V. 8811TH said he wished to ask a question of the
feceetary of War relating to the appointment of constable
of the Tower. The hon. gentleman was probably swan
that the committee on the army estimates refrained from
entering into the eonsiderrion of the Tower garrison be-
cause they were informed that at the expiration of the
patent all the officio impala undergo revision. That was
certainly stated by Lord Pantnare. A vacancy had new
unfortunately taken place through the death of the Duke
of Wellington; and he perceived that Lvd Combermere
had since been appointed Constable of the Tower. He
wished to know whether Ow establishment wee satgeoted
to revision previously to Lard Onaboannorsh t,
or whether the appointment had been mode esLJeet le say
revision which might thereafter Oahe pless which he con-
trived to have been the intention of the eleeseittee.
Major BERESFORD said in the ammelamenthe sissy
sad ordnance the Secretary-at-War Loot ressivien ieet-
tainly stated that according to the isselailen et the sow
mines of 1833, the whole staff of oppoinimente i tbe
Tower was to be subset to reviles at the dm& et hh
Oren the Dab of Welliegtee • hot Weil Ile the Imo
port of the committee, ma :et lei say me voidolos.
With regard In the appointing of Yiessent Genienomio
me Cemstable Otis Tower, be tempi to hiliontins sight
hoe. (toilettes that the appoilosi wee mile slam
death of ohs Dabs of Wellingha, with this
net only rJasemoinmouts of the sessable, bult=elt
alien also, is they lessee moot, were to be SANS he
say revisits With parliament might chasm to asks. DO
be mast Woo be. to nolo this (Rubio sonterk; dot
Son the army Winans din year be kind
the total sum rives Iseamis eardooe
18,0001. • that die son to Alois min
9,1741. • to; girlie* bald by same as troordo Ilis
tory s;rviess, 2,931 f. • the menne bum tbo vole
be rewards wee 12,1061.; the meant boson deo
he the Tower of Leedom was 3,9111. ; mom 'NM
• moots at the star whisk wises v were
se rewards woe 44111.4t110 it=rt
wee added the swat da Mel of WOK
That wee ea sideman to tibia Toe ed. Net Ile
woe of " William ismalki4" but Mbeeet Immo
Initb." The " Tower ef ria" was lasbolloi In to-
wards far distinguished senior • sad he vise some that la
the sass of Viscera Oembermen, who had sena lie
smutty apwardsetsizty years—ls India, la the Psalm*
and la awl, parts et the volli—Olet. was net toe
Inue a Out valor Ow bled. (1001stong deem) No
logont leave Inner to soy. is wawa to the Webs ben.
inntionsa's quoin% that wbeeseer soy roallemestary
bosiry should be slob es tbe tummies, No monmemmon
emeld men Millis* give *de best oindiela to it.
end meg root of ibut oneltiiiment would be ogoa le ro-
ils&
__NOIII2II OF MOTION.

Sir W. CLAY gam Mho that share, after Christman
le mash' tam . resdadaa ter the gosiltkia of church
mass.

sill ADIIIILILLTY.

mama isVlnimis p to the M.
weisma Sesestary is dr Malta, ib• etriel
=smidi p= bin sft. He waild
him wbether ber MOW" iirgamanat isteedid
le !Wear, S toll tor the balm swilials• ports sag
berbeen

11.7.87fAMPORD mead dal It was sot as labialise of
the gossrammat er brag to soy sash bill.

Admiral IBILKELity said Ye wet quads' yr
wbetbev the meow Beard et Ado Why, is.. alter their
esemire ea we IL ._& ON the lemees et tbe
workmen ord meemeileil he beeebelii*. ime
to be met divest w ibe lialesbery le No Adnkeity Wind I
et Wag Am eabuitied es the lierveyee et dr Na', is
bed beam pravesedy the este ; awl wirier say
se
leek plea with tbe server* Is eamegesasels.7:l
eeeer, see 'Maw se* oder walla le toot

Mr. STAFFORD rid as anaseril. width we list
role wire the Navy IPN:to wee redden with the
Beer& r Admiralty is vlda ono Frei is 1844,
sod weer wr @retool Mrile= Is 11147, whim
Mr. Wed herd Re his reelallook eM se la bra. It
bed wet bow shovel by Me pewee Bowl of Admiralty.
Thooo led Moo oemervareekoss with the Mom alike
312:eir =LET ail the hit q
=le ea le the he& ler, a sew
debate wae la *etre kW sed
taydemblea. mews and the MO* se
la awed yaiyarte. iii tuna mit apo-
Zglersepaellag Taint ale way assikaisa Or
were say rear ?
bowl to r. SIAVFORD rotoe Mr. art ell .t
member thst be hod woreely If_
test somilloo
did eepolia. The reedier was eppolatel WNW am
torptrp. aed an Ideeeprel s his k wit lbw& list la
al wry eat Ma *ma it lambi be seeresey le speed
a Imps MI a mosey than bad bees prodded hi, tad
Amapa tebeened SD taws. TM hes. awl plot pr
times w ialatebsa ia unman that it vas dielabied
sail ft in*
_yam* ..we. the revere et h..-B.r.
air 0. 11/0111ILL wished to knew wieldier ee est It wee
tame that the freaveyer et the Navy W torieral hi. teak
natio, to the beard
Mr. litillOSD espied that ft we mot Dee
NAVAL DEFENCES.
NJ. RICH wished to ash the hes. eadamia ale&
ford) whither. la peresease et the resismoreidea if •
ermaittee whir et is the leet errs to Writs Me the
stated the ...reeds rad Mem navy, saa ile
sem to set r sit sar to the royal any, aa Map lad
bees taken by the rntiV beyond tae at Ilat
erataissioa, whialt dr boa. peadaaaa hal jest
thehease vas recalled Ihr want e

Me. STAFFORD said the boa. Adana bed him Me
moo apathies. TM sates la Re repot sespeeted
*et amain akip &Mid be di.. at saws *al swain
Sim Woo dada be pelt la media whoa weelahlle
Om verde own mar whale i mod that hither haw
theitehedd he node ea he loaeorel el the ealleeals At he
teatayamee al tbe heft Miry eolltes hell bah
thigtod, bat he did ant Oink it awnli. us Mho Whet
they word
FRIA IN COURTS OP Jurrioa
my. CARTS/ ebbed to ask the AIM the-
her be bed progleed the make at hoe ie be
homed sad bawd by the set 14 sail IS ThiLletutt,. 11;11
hr he ezprees of proessatioao is aeaste el
labia tbey Wen atesaimaitted tow vain. *barb to
be aitod on.
WALPOLN said tbie wake bad set yet bees pre.
pared. bat the ealloot had set be.., ead shield set be, bat
debt 4 Zo aould maimed oat say espeetatioa M patrol
web et is twill ream
Ns. vttLuinio IMILTRADI MOTION.
Ik. VI LLIJUIS *ea ha, la peataamo el settee, to
we the istiming sosimilms
1114 it is as sgbisa this Mos gist ifs impend

coediting
trims dorm
Wen, cad iv
tin hoe

That it .
and farther
to that of r
dastry of
Ere,

That this
tower's eo ;lastest with t ion es e
Ite
which may be laid before it by her Mejeety'a alaistan.

Ho in rising to submit to this hone the nee.
latices of which I have given motive, I think It right te
eta,' why I have deemed it my duty to persevere ka IM
mimeos, mad why I did set accede te the nem* wth
wee lawn te M orienoily by the right boa. gesidemme the
Chaarallor of the Eschew,. that I would pestpeae the
mike to a time stsnequoat to his proposal .1 soma emu
use whisk he end he wished to submit to the bus.
With this view I heft lint to areal the nediesdna
of
the hoses is the position is whisk the knee itself sash
with reopen le the rest mho, whisk I believe we en
specially at this measeals awl posbage hoer
ea t, seem to settle. Theme seemed le be, so it. Int
sight of the amiss, a snot ef geensei esseturesse is the
propriety of sat mosieg eaT amthilemst to the Memo ;
aM I think that was essethemil by the kolas,
that inasmuch as this seethe area medal. non dellberate
essaideraties might he gives to the nahr he width we
bed bees essomesed nos awe &WM onesies. It was
ender dens abeensiesell that I rose es that ev=s.
gin &den seise the I oheuld, ea Wen
Was tie antoin dimisedy usher the seem of the homes.
list, sir, sae *fibs asesequesals of the theektity which
prevailed cia the Sus sight of this semi= was that this
Mass bssame bowl by the contents of the address.
Thee wan se oneshasee moved, and with rasps*
to that pistiealar rime so which we wen supposed be
have bees sesessesed, we wen bound by that paragraph
or pump la the epee* whin had reference to it, whorl
was the subject of obsenstios ea that night, and which, I
may add, was so much ebgensil te generally by the house.
Sir, I am sure I am not inariarelhag the case when I say
that under all the entwining' that panseepli se=
is the speech has given .s
given
tiers cheers.) Whales all yens= amisibied hr. to
hear something like es desist iseimeides of the ep non of
the government epos the peel mean sa which the diet
parbanuat had been diseeineeed dis new padiessest bed
been called together; whams all peens were hoping
either to bear that opines felhaseed thwagk the speak,
or the view entertained by the government of the sparks
which the country had expressed on the subleet, they
found in that passage of the speech when din
expected to have this information nothing bat what I
think has been justly desigeated throughout the country
al ea unworthy evasion of the whole matter. (GM speu
sition cheers.) Wherein every person rapeseed to Ng
something distinct and clear with regard to the spiels elf
the government, they found that) nothing was illeslded.
nothing was asserted; something was implied 7lish the
very questionable, and the paragraph esseiried is Ism
which I venture to ray there wee an II OM Is Ilk Wen
who did not consider were used perosedy all Is be rim
epectful. ("Oh, oh," aid laughter ben the Withstand
side of the house.) I say that, sir, net advisedly. Me.
stewed nits of " Oh, ob.") I do anboliere that, at least
in the modern history of parliamme, there has ever bees
sash a paragraph penned sad pressallal by say ministry
to this house. We all know what was meant by the
reference to " the wisdom of parliament" Why at Is •
cant sort of earned, awl Mickel Negation often mode
upon the charism ef tie beam (Laragitter.) Whomever
anybody watts M satirise this Mesa. he refers in a mesedeg
teas to its wisdom. (Great Isteherst) That may Si ps.
an be just, but I say it is ths sass.aad I say she OM
there was not a sea is this hewn, aid I believe there ems
not a ass out of this Warn who did not rougnies the
terms Mak an used es web essedeth and Yet is the
amg pemegAt the spank raeibbserzait=e
pat is as eserrar sepposed es
town sired= parliament sammened examen for
te
panne of desiariag the answer. Why, sir, I really an
at a Ism so snenteed bow hes. gentiessta ingesits
amid Wee semseed fat me What din that palm:
the opera wield he at entisholon te what
seine haw duseibed es the great mlerity of ttielmose
I am
platy, se learn, hen what We pared raw* la
essliberthat it wee set only awned to be main
On. thee anybody the &yoke ths nateer—embeiy
tele is set catkin with thet Modes le the seen math,
h queeties—ie fastiess—(opputhis shoseth—owil same a
gaieties for the purse of opposing the pennemth Si
mines the almuras whin are is sentemplathes M the
linens of the errestry. (" Hear, both" boa dime.
MONO M, it is es this aceatitt din I sweater i arse
Impennat that this tease sheath ewes le assn (WWI amt
peolthe dedenties es dissent geoid= at issue. lit le be.
othiskansider that thhheenlimaisspethinaanythimsbed
eigilelletery that I new eat epos it le Asian its opted=
hensnatter. I beg math he mg the 'Undo. of the
e the maths Is whisk It gime itself by the dui
des of Ihe Weer sight. I sold bee" and I setaists.
se aeowthemse having bees sawed to the warms.
he ham lemma by its saaleals. I soy thsitoulth selb•
sums es She .edition of the sentry, it is bewail 4 the
PM, Si to the Wish. mod I ask whollelethet
Is it gnYebslnp thy Ise this Woe le sopa le ape=
sepathed by he
Embers/ liat the sight hes.
the Cheamilor of the lesesse le ma to waive
the maths ef whin I pre eels% fee the mouse dra
Waft she rave s which he WI le Now, dr,
Le,de NM sedersend Um lugs seek • proposition.
bier. dens This Wise h met at
(see, hoer,
es I Wee rig base, he the de
of rot:skin the meths of the omen ems a ostler dis-
dain, referred to it—the peaky TM* le to regulate the
mmisercial interests of the ens . lan way saying that
width was stated by the bet addetsr et the begiaing of
the hat eerie, and repealed by him has sight, wises I as.
son thet this is he psepow he whisk we are assembled at
this waned Wee the you. Tbe sight km seadassaa ,
withesteV, Maki boss seaveyed in the spool as
te the the greenmest. with regard to lies au-
tism haw Mrs plata women er at hest seg.
gemer.te he ere I &soli melee the yeepeillea whisk I
sow smoke he a Medea Widen of the here used be
slaps h Nash swaserea New, I then Wow what these
see_umemo have to de with the penises
he shill mew std (Moen.) Ide set sewn that
the lastudiemest en dismayed fee the proposed taking
ea opieW ea Nay menses. sall I an set mese that any
seneeres have buss eshabled le the sewthey. (Hear,
km.) Ide sot Meg that Nelda initialises were made
la ember pine d mesons, whisk wen 11 }tsar every-
ttell wily • reimoneble time were ghee he their Intro-
That
theirall mho • very geed =eh=
dams be asellennle. se In
tees le easeenies to thole theta be iMI tea de he At
Ham at Conmees amensbM let •ipesNe pu5,..,, ant
doming to faith the panne he whisk we are west
(theeririebeas We lave • -disdast semilsolien of die pme.
=Min the hits pardnessat was theedved ; esd
es sines aid dweller sight. Wane the Isla wholart
of the wows mil see ap his Wad le things lb
'phis' IN allalin Inapailasi ofteat. sad theesheywner
le take the opines If the swastry as to Mean he in
eight off wens is Ihe awns be lad adopted.
Aa he as I melt tressed that miallems, knosbeas=w(Clisliee
asnested le be Med by he seastry, he
—I will see meet the Weverest within he made—es
that ordeal t he odd be wend be tried by bh out
that is sedisiest to notify my swam
hew.) He has Ws died, sus, se it seems
me, bee bees head rating—(eed elisers)—bst sir
sew se the ementry, • Weil, if mos% de, yea mut
Wee moselling alse." (laughler.)thie Osiedely, the I
/shahs sub, yea differ frets no is this eseeter, bat if yes
only give nto • ease time, I Wye sot • asilsesse so fertile
is reasons*. and Monk thmenshat abilities, that he will
sees wpm fer yes a othelleele yea tea he
with, lierissahgenitted yeethnot=
te be sathihstery all Clmedi ohms seri oshear.)
de en any Ms limn awe onsmy palsies of
the
hMbhut. then Ithidatersh when • at
seenedy 6U earthly ergo, and I:are ao
that this k reposing mesuese width
be thiamin it nu Gan give him Ogee to
welama them. Hut is tin ossaatime we mss AM el the
bsisw he whisk wean nethabled, sod cons Isis
deri-
de he width we have lath (Chen.) nehody
setesideml to bear that a notion so elithess. so
peas* samesatile, ae I hope is, that whisk sea then te
iamb a the knee, we se shiny ensbent with the
pu-
pair whislimease smosaiekesilliedgest with whisk we
IMO dashed sedligsawillasel the theett7-lele
featly assesidisil to ethe that the very aseatiss of sari •
fair and essineassome
propeddes is essektered by her
Majesty's geverameill. aid Omer soppenon es be suss..
(Hear, hem) Trecaid be the wpm af wessehmelag the
wannest! !need hr the math of dandies Mah-
on ! llelly, Ide set Wow needy why I
to trail this genmuseat, tie rest IMAM writ.=
rtation he etheithese I Owed sheen sad
_het
Ide eat use why meth WM bush shield be
Wm the neon. I defferizsbet balms thie debst,
missies we shall lave of renew eves win we
sheath elli2=tataiLs.dd otheallath seyellease aserves
the ems that SW seutthiest has
ma eet bennted IS spies-Irgy I ilieU as submit
sews male te the Raw ef Comasoas. Is
odor that it may
espies ft othestive thea, is Ashman le the Weak=
seen hen have reo~ hen *sir seenitessla
hese) Menner, I hew so Mee don the measures owe
eldia ther right hos. singemes h le s* with • view
deficaded a Wane oppeollies. I seilabilypew ban read des
pa de japan, sad seasaissierel as sidled the Winn
des whisk le epos to every body, ssil I have fad the
thee dithesky whisk I believe Ms bees Mt by even
is Minima whet demo messethe sadly are. I hpfeseal
ametaßy the smokes_ Muses. seined to be lie OW
Meese at Ur apowN geweesearat. One et rem, a
wage moessia when shismeles an sulsogleitil
_ap
emu sell We he bed residesil se dklisst tiltheethla of
what the saline oche epee=.. lei h • fillehi2
, hid disql=itaiseTbil= al lOW le
' yeses wbothee lest rt
sue,o, or by nesallieg with the snovethy of the
be amid sot My, bet relief was is nue way et
ether se he chided. Tenths ear view to Zwers, we MN a
eseassms Ikon, who hes shut bit assesdes pswalls* Sio
AO sod whit gamin thst thread I agar
deo fee theliemes weld thee Ina undo assissq the
no et ISO, is espied. Yak e Indiums high is the
immadethe of peenmon, the a seue=serlej
=is the seemmenst, gess dews le
the hrumalbse•—r thee Aide le hie MOM
la Wail\ be alibi hi /iamb of lb war

kis lerllship
Ito had law
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says-
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VII
a=hiaLlisswea

—ors raiment, sad
sisp—" Let *mid my
sesagares, let me have the preside*, at you." Of me,
who wane to lay down NOM priaciple upon which the
410,1Mily ought to regulate its wasameroe, et, according to
an ezpramues used la the Hoses of Lords, its *tens*
*awe you do that, says the right hes.
hi me intembeas at the
gsatiesma asks sae to assume that mint mls•
aid bee bop do*, and that ems reponse 1.
andred. I Mar everywhere of maser* I Use of
she as honestly &areas d suppertlas year
We, ea this side of the hew—aad I
*Owe have keened our noolutiose perpoiely to
panel Mee aimealans. Oise us some information that
May me Mon amok and that they adopt our views
miesee,tlei pa*, mai manialy they shall receive all taw
hums, her ns side of the hem. But as far as I eta
onsorrek the cores to hes tean if newts et all, are
ea am amenity. Ten Mr damn& the lest parliameot,
prwlior thirt:Zesidleoel rad giet,Ausil ye)s. ,lerhatri al
sea that a mere seareleat mares for a party
I mere lead if, than Mt et dhalviag parliament to oh
tain a verdict from peals egitleh, and the aitption of such
a phraseology after. Oats emit but be mend at it. To
use a rather volpar asap It is merely "Heads I win,
tails you iota" (Chase. heghter.) If fres trade is
successful we " bow " went ot tee country, but at
all events ire remain. laughter) I never should
have made these obssrsatiaaa, as have taken this line of
action, had not my mesa her stigmatised as factions.
(Hear, hear.) I want be jaegy my sewn mad, show
the country that I am wease is c:lltse a distinct
declaration of the priaciples that ere to • the govern-
ment. I believe that the country has itself to be
perfectly satisfied with its experience of resist esmerelal
policy, and don't want to have itiegt Op Iles
*iv they y, th want to have it dschuod men
uadontaad why the grainiest eat die Mho*
themselves satisfied and datseasiamifi, eery MatO* set
to its fates meat. If I m M undeeslan tee armsets
or speeches albs right Ma. prilemen, er at least of the
first minimise the WOWS. they area that the latter has
not abandoned hie 'Miens at old, brie d tho mane rake
still. That bang Oran I seem misestood Sat there
is sapling mersedie N the reentry rembing—briag
the tint Mister able opedne—that they also should have
their opiates., and &NM he,. them declared by their re-
ressalathes in this haw. I de not believe that a public
aseling ark he anal ia say yeet d the country, when the
perms amalesol weak net &elan that they had derived
the greatest alvermis trees the *angel which legislation
had made la or essemessial play, that they were matisfird
with rail the' they did set wish to Morn to the old
, bear.) I want Mknow then why the
ll=el is the last Mai in which each opinions
are to be dadareil. (Hear, hear.) Why are we to eon*
with band base and " Bated breath" to whisper some-
thing Illystetions mad equivocal like that paragraph in the
Queen's Speech, whisk soma to intimate that evil had
resulted from the issamegelel changes, and that the first
business of parliament Mull he to remedy that evil? That
rtnr.e.ilfr leagene=topsystezome, we don't
ea understand
it.
emembisti—les, oda* it. The only thing sheering,
aid whin asthilma m et the propriety of my making this
MM. is hot it has already has am geed ; this good,
that it ham eed the sanderat of the right hon.
giathan. ter.) Ire mare the right hon. gee.
UM= that I derived the greatest satisfaction from
amiss 11, emailmeat, whisk Is not an amendment on say
resslatise. bat peat amedimat the politics of I*
party as they on peep ceded la the Queen's
epees n, sad la a sees* on, by the but minister
of the crown. ( deem and )ia•glitar.) Ad I can
hardly be induced le Menu my rupiah*. he the sake
of Ude antioner, beam I time that it sway man of
masa sane saw the tee he wield may that
she was the mearbaset in Sight Ma. peatiessam's the
MOM repomitioe. Nona went I wlthohaw It, if it were
only on account of tho pal It las des abeedy, nor will I
despair that before the glossa*, ~dug seal the debate
the right hon. gentleman ma adept my tessiatise—per-
haps vote for it. (Laughter.) These ie ass palest la tho
rem emiment that brings es seer to an agreement, so near
that I am ia hops, we ebsi have but one division, ;wham
nose. It is a moot galosh* admission,' that a* of the
sets of our recent 1401611 m bed norpr ril geonien and
thereby.greatly imponed the aserna Of Se working
cleases.'
.1 satiny ogres with the right har
on that par, os ran do I agree with liCkthesailli
specifically rebel* le that act, Slid so Mire* ode 1 sore
with him is his renews to that act, that I have elisereis
teed and marred is oleic to that tat of recent
tioa which elmegnmed provalees, and t
'sedition of tie wmeloass as thebee; be*
man admits is ids nave enraellsolair
wise mad jea. 1114111111811. cheers.) If the
gernmea will give IMO NOM roams for withempigi
nedstioa, be win In WWI te tell me why as as lish
am= his eaMrsat hes conferral ema Mees.
i
met he shavestsebed as I have eharsibelmed It.
trisebi be mid* if there should be any *sissies on
the peril hie khan kr, having long considered the sub-
Ast,thaving may limas board it discussed in this house, I
have a dietlast resell-Mien that the repeal of the am laws
was oppose& moiety sa amen of tho welfare of the people.
It was always a Mewed nurse. So it is with me, show
me that the labour,* cola, mad I ma in the lobby with
you at maw (Cheers.) It Ma pew Sea's question town-
daily ; it was always dimmed byd hea. gestlemes opposite
in that point of view, an ea mare that deny
brims was preset Ma erer ma pig on,
he weed bar thosht that d the beandwas woo on that
skis sins he.., andellthebordhserdean se this side; he
mailhave thought Mahn* berveleatnea eared a
for their own kindred se hob sea greperty, bat wLlisA
ready to be milled he the Me& el the MAIM elms,
wham their roam% mom hawk ad haly Meted mos,
always grfaiime the hese if he pear, an mike to throw
on them saiesey. (Cheers.) If nth sa obsorror
were to appear to-night, sad to goo that we have
admitted that resent *hasps in the law have
benefited the working claw, sad greedy immed their
audition, but yet that a great party, th, meibeley that
used to be, object to &ages* that set as wise and jug, I
be isms he would be led iato some doubt as to no drearily
el their sympathy with the poor. Now, if I samet she a
weed of advice to the right hon. geatlema sad to that party,
It would be at ante to accede to my rembstiss. Foe if eve;
there geisha • law which had the abet of nab* the
ef provisions, and, easuaqueetly, detericautl* the
ef the people, it must have boss the most Weiss sad OM
mark law that ever existed, and I maw" WAIF
stead why an am whisk leaded to repeal rah a law, eel
to produce man ememeasse as the right hem glade.
men has dashed. sea bo Mae team I haw Assielhal ,
it I. Emirsolielisa. (Hear, her) I mast emir a
ms.. morn authelthaa that d
will sabileate d In sad if aa att=
that east Meld he the hem& s new embus et the
seaonaity, I rennet arseho whim_ am dim Ina
sash an 11118116111 d. (Ben hear.) Whit is it thatyds
aeon by ma eatthat hos reeled Mo pilso af bard ad~rw
Sum, ma loaned
fei Haman ens reds t Ilee,n so
triable WlNNlias Min essiblea t
Mew, ham) M a se s omen the
sr n at e hhead
the perk hen sir essioss the rellise el hot
Mel these sines ef gos&
_who am Ihdrally
lloadollytall. (aeon )teher a sat MR hoe
&grant ealsalar amok] stand
the mem he has of Mein*, atilaitiga:thar=l%
asemeary Os mpg* tbs maireseents of bat ea the
rant brad int whin enables his to naiad to la err
work mil en Mid. (Hear, hear.) • saes ear
Mod sr djerided beerally either a Mead may ea the
, la reponse ea had le Mader or same
an that Is, is the reser sem el the meld. the soot ;
portant alremsemes mend with the reed *dam ef
inea, whisli seas the Seal/ se searcity_at his hod. What
is the Mims d life Mb at Spa lellises
el the ; vent Is their lasiesee bet end am
=int hod? It is Mat width obroseler
me *bell be direlaramd ee &Mel, whether le
alma he ths aserent dies vales sr the gaol truailin
=Ma paw. Misr, hear.) It i• teat has
the mimed smansisa imp
la the
sonatiy, that it dernsenhorly ea Ihe mom' d hod
whet b Is he the ending al In Men bads Insane,
if my Manse se
= sealleashodly Mil ley to none&
any panes Naha hams oseeleren ihe or le
miry whil fis pe„..l Maseity ahoslems
irk hos hal the Mir of
• .14111111, prosomse saVen,l=e eau.
Meths notam tholndollem, el peepi_o_dp
eat lbe *ad. (Hear.) Theis see masa la e
the matey whir espaisase hes vela oebsr
Phisterrisse sad doetilaise of lee Parka= Inn&
aa tho manat of he& lamilablefor thir ; goo ea
maim the voltage's I &Whim gar lea =sr I.
s
id that tee right Ma the Osseelmey he dm
inert will kid It ..emery to ant saes upland* to
two moos if emit beimmeat he seade h she matey
Asa reseed, he dim& he menesra I as pew
hilly misled the the right hoe. mailman has bees saim
einemented or Mempseld, he I Beim his to be holm
ma lathe heemosho meld simpreemat a hot et mensal
hike esealeymon. Ileginh lb high solhed* ho seppesel to
have tons Deaden addriessilhat emplimcone
t
el Mei hed Ineresal, nil with It
ne. " Walpole.) I Nan, believe the
tight hia. pelbsere danial, sad I sa Obliged te him ler
*a he shows that the epees, o his
b tits gmeseel eantstka dtlis 1
thM mallim sod dm belief that the amonet 112"1:=
innees Mao that makes the peseta es stealhen h sap-
plain min sheave. I do not PM that there mid be
pos* jibe nesameer 1 lad sheast add the
MUatmeN d am, thma dal they geoid hr ths oaks of
lesetios thmelves Man to Mit the Meist-
er* e the people. (Hear, hear.) But ,air notwith-
standing my senvictioe of this. I sot obliged to ask
whit we are sembled here for ei the present occasion. I
or obliged to oak whether seek a came as I have described
hil sin suet he upwards of thiety years, and whether we
▪ Oat le naspis the rimer al to the 00111011-
11111 whisk Mr alleadied the read of law ? Why,
here in Nokias la the haitedses et the matry, nothing
la as wealth or power, whin mid rens& the working
ohms to the seenneem *jury width ear a law must
Min a the.. had what I andesteed to be the kiln

ease hawse& this side of the how and the other tomight
is that we designate the repeal of mesh • law wise and
just, and that on thellaber side such • designation is deemed
to be hetious, tad utterly inoompalMe with the
right hoe. Butlers...We (the Chancellor of the lizebequer's)
hewer and credit to admit it. (Cheers.) I ass told, aid I
ham received laureation • few minutes before I entered
the house that if It should be declared Is/ the majority of
this hoax that the repeal of the corn law has had the east
which that Chemeaker of the Exchequer admits, and has I.
fact stated he se Emmy words end that having had such se
effect, it la wilts eel that such declaration must result
la the neigaints R meat. (Laughter and Wen.) I
I shield be ea esny for that, for I osa amen the
right be.. patismaa and the whim earl at the head of the',
gesieWeet that *holster they easy think of the motives '
atheism who are opposed te the t boa. gentleman's re-
deletion, I have net • thi desire to id% the
eight hen. gentlwaa ("Oh, oh," from
the neleisterialists, sadeZtemi lateghthr from the Imps&
dm.) Ido not dotty that the wile aid ea the bead of
the government is a great autherity as to what is belies.
(Lead cheers and laughter dem the opposition.) The
mins earl tells us that he has been 30 years before the pub-
-14 and daring that time the public have had ample oppor-
tunity of whamming his sondem, and I es one of the public
eta not in the least disposed to dispute his high authority
is melt a subject re laughter and opposition cheers.)
N. doubt the noble earl was single-minded, but it was just
possible for • penes to to single-minded on some subjects,
and have • singular mind on what wee just when bis own
interest was involved; sad 11111 they had use too that it was
net altogether impossible for • person to abandon, for the
she of power, every opinion and every principle he had
professed. (Hear, hear.) I have said I should be extremely
sorry if the result of the division should be the displace-
mist of the present government. (Oh, oh.) I care
little whether any credit is given to my statement in tide
respect or not—(hear)—bat even should that be the result
I believe this great country would survive even though the
noble earl the present prime minister were not at the head
of affairs. (Cheers.) But this argument about the aid-
coley of forming • government is by no means • new one.
Whe ministry has been hard pressed and felt its
existence inje ;partly we have been told that the then occu-
piers of of were the only party able to form • govern-
ment and carry on the affain of the etantry ; sad what
they have been displaced we have bent within a sem*
perhaps, the very same thing sad de Oar somesses.
(Cheers and • laugh.) I am than aft litspeesdi
attribute so much importance to this ergument of the
necessity of continuing the existence of the usual govern-
ment as some people seem to be—l have seas four or tire
different governments in power since I have been in par-
liament, and so far as I have been able to observe, there
has been • very strong family resemblance in all of them.
(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Nor have 1 found that
the country has suffered much by the change, for we
usually find that those who succeed to power generally do
that as • government which they opposed while in opposi•
bon—(muck laughter and cheering)—and as far as their
measures are concerned are scarcely to be distinguished
from those who preceded teem. (fleer, hear.) My own
impression is that no very great genius is required
to administer the government of the country. (Hear,
hear.) I believe all that is essential in the various
public offices is done by the subordinate public german,
of whom we hear little or nothing, and that it must be in
consequence of great want of judgment, or a great defect at
capacity, that any government can become sufficiently
un-
popular to be displaced. (Much cheering and laughter
from the lower opposition benches.) Therefore, I beg to
re-state, that, is making this motion, I have no object of
displacing the government. I am not acting in any way as
a partisan on this occasion. (.. Hear, hear," from the op-
position, and " Oh" from the ministerial members.) And
if I might be allowed to offer my advice to the right hoe.
gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, it would be,
that he should do no such thing as resign—(hear, hear)—
but that if this motion should be earned 'await him, that
he should rather be thankful for it, and proceed quietly
onward in the course which, apparently, he is only wishing
for the opportunity to follow. (Loud cheers and laughter.)
Tho right honourable gentleman seems to me, as far as
I can discover his intentions, to be Inclined to enter
upon • career of usefulness; and I would not have
him deterred from persevering in it. (Chun and laughter.)
The right boa. gentleman takes, I think, very mach the
same views of the financial policy of the country that those
whom he used to assail take—(hear hear)—end with his
great talent, which seems to he available for any
—(rure laaghter)—l should be very sorry to see 1'7,21°,:
moved from the office he now fills. Certainly, lam still
more hopeful of the coarse he is likely to pursue from what
he has already shadowed out of his fatale policy. (Heir.) I
I think we have reason to expect good from his statement'
in bringing forward his budget Wt year. He then stated
Lets very candidly, and though his friends were very
11121i0112 afterwards to exculpate him from the charge of
drawing any conclusions or opinions from those facts, still
there dbes appear to me in what he has now avowed in the
amendment something like a conclusion which he honestly
means to carry out. (Loud opposition cheers.) He showed
my fairly. in his budget speech how the policy which
had prevailed is this country for the is peen pre-
vious had greatly relieved the country without in-
terfering with the revenue. Them were the facts,
and ha was obliged to state them. (Hui hear.) He
showed that duties on various articles had been repealed,
and others reduced by • large amount; ma that the revenue
had not suffered, but had benefited. This he was obliged
to state, notwithstanding that it was offensive to his friends; '
and now by his amendment to-night he appears to ham
gone so much further in the right direction as to account
for the fasts he so stated last year, and to pledge himself le
continue the policy out of which they had arisen. (Hear,
hear.) That policy I believe to be, that you reduced the
duties on articles of general seasuiptioa--or rather, that
you in the let place removed allepther the ditties is
articles of necessary consumption, aril then wended te
reduce the duties on other articles of general coesemption,
depending for your revenue on the priaMpli that when the
means of the people are increased by the redissed prices they
pay for articleseles of necessary consulate's., they are enabled
to consume more of the articles of gamma eassmaptiers.
That was the effect of the statements atm right bea. gen-
tleman last year, and, as was to be espsated. them WON
statements which, coming from such an an , were
exceedingly distasteful to hon. gentlemen is the stint
side. (Rear, hear.) But nine months of gestation
have done a groat deal—(" bear, hear," and laughter)—snd
now the right hon. gentleman comes forward and proposes
this amendment, which admits the whole ease, that when'
you remove the duty on articles of food, you may safely re-
duce the duties on other articles, because as the people will
be able to consume mom of such articles, you will be sure
speedily to recover the revenue. (Hoar, hoar.) That is an
intelligible princille, and what we want is to have it fully
acknowledged. Cheers.) We want the right hon. gentler
man the Chute or of the Exchequee.fully to acknowledge
it, and pledge himself to proceed in the same COMM.
(Cheers.) Bat we have as yet no positive statement that
that is his intention. I have no doubt there an mesons
prepared with that Intent—(" hear," and a laugh)—but the
statements of some of the right hon. untleman's colleagues
in aloe which have gone forth to the country have tended
to convey a different =pre mien, and no us really knows
whether he is pimp backwards or forwards ; but if the
house decide in favour of my resolution, there will
then be no doubt for oar future policy, for we
shall have • gown' ackaowladgmaat by the house
of the advantages of the system of tree trade.
(Loud opposition cheers.) I remember two years ago I ven-
tured to maks • statement to the home showing how ex-
pansive the ?omen of the revamps were. The amount I
that stated was so large that assay people, I believe,
scarcely believed it, though has. patient's who were agi-
tating the coaches with • view to the gamin elutios
made us of that statement for their owe purpawThey
told the mastimmaise that I had said ia tho owe riCcm-
mons that 91 minims bad been abstracted been the 'amen
by free trade, and they required an indemnity is. that
lees. (Bear, MM.) Bat what I spoke of was the dames
betwsen • year of general scarcity sad • year ef part est
I took 1847 as easiest 1849, and showed what as wessnews
dlikeeses then we between the prim paid by tbeeenno-
=tells ihei illose two yew, sod I wised dot int
sight_me itr to aosowat l pioved Moto a
the ravens. (iteardrar.) I did Manga emersdist
the use which was made of my stational, dly dissk as that
when gentlemen eaapplied it they earned thensehase to this
reply, l' if these 91,000,000 have buss labia from the
farness, whit pee it to theta in the hot pleas f " (Load
Zossitieu sheets.) To illastruto the.rdisy which I hips

/epos the Ciismall;;;Tiai Xsalisptei is m
=sail the adnatage to the eve 5...... is
Laval Mae duties es astisies of amesary eamempa
Ma, sad redwing the duties is amides of •••••etry pear
empties, by ismselog the esmssmiag pewees et the per
Se, I 'al ho suss heft la regrew. te Ibis melespielle.
Now, I la the spasm et pretends% mid* Vi
i. pmelseees
were se anniess 62 maintain, existed hem lit=
spite
to 1841—(An Hos. Member: " 1842")-1,
that is, while the elidkeg seal. existed. The populism
of Leaden, aceseiieg le the most moderate misslellem. is
2,500,000. Pram July, Mk when the Wain seals ass
seastekto le he end et 1841, whoa it was
14,787,910 .mums of wheat were admitted, 12:4ririof
w se 14 per seat., wen set winkled until the poise
semasded 701. pee quarter. NM pee pashas he mheetsives
es. per east he tau. The queers Met woad this be
Ili; UYam7d. (Rear, hoer.) The esememples of
the peptleilisa of Londe& met WM tbs. Ms limners
Maws per hied per week- so that the sals,U. per
bead pee meek or 11. 18e. per semism, he the
whiles peilmielhe, 4,740,0001. as 00
sow :-1.• Leads., where the seasompties le
ham in the mantry, the amiss le senemle riga.
a• ad me per week for brealthet red Ma shoe ; the
middle and tipper alums comae NS lees them 60Ib. • se
that the average may fairly be JAM u 7915, The ;eft
sugar *Asp to 1845, was 7d., is new M. le id. ; the lest
mar that war 10d. and Ild., is sow fad. to 0i; mid pew
by ball the essemption of Lends. is leaf sugar. TA*
the sagastimom a low average, at bid., the saving is es. N.
• heed per year; or, for the whole populatioa, 1„093 7601.,
the satire esoseased giving above 2611 b. per Lssd. I
'Abe, es • Medlar ealculation' the gala to Leads& is
IM,01111„ ; and on tea, 123,0001., representing • Uhl of
1,730,6101. in Landon alone, there heise ierVemys
to also to the country sad to the prie Mr,
Mar.) This stows the advaatap Wades leet
L
the neesseary articles of food, sad tbs. et re-
disegsL prides et articles of emoadarp omewinptieu. Thai
is the advealege of tree trader mewed with pmeseea.
New the teem why I wish to this mosis is the
is beams the noble earl the het Waken et
Ecrows 111 Sot appear to me to be sellkisatly hilermed
en the matter. had I my If any ate UM' tam this am
titer justifies my moliva. h the speak ofhe
ea the Ant misled Ile widn. mil, eel in
es that he add mat misessmai fM allhowe barna
food end my Ohs Wide. He told as that last year; sad

ii Ysties`li4l4 tr Os prim of food falls, wages must fall
lithe a. 'This he has told us this year.
.4.1C1. waist to show the noble lord that the
dlwdsaw between food and other articles is, that food is an
solids eff Ant sad necessary consumption, and it
depends on the peke of that first necessary how far we
eau comma to ether Odium Toe noble turd is occupied
wholly wf%b coosideradom of are, and can see no dif-
ference between the ens and the other. But that is the
difference. Boonomically and Boeotian, there is the
greatest possible difference between the price of food being
low and high, Lamm& es it is that differenoe upon which
the power of the people to consume other uncles must
always depend. (Hear, hear.) The noble earl terms to
think the price of food sa only an influence on the rate of
gsad that if the price of food falls the rate of wages
wages, sad
Now, I can hardly suppose that a man of the
noble lord's extraordinary intellect really believes that.
(" Hear, hear," and a
laugh) I cannot suppose that be
, believes that if there is more food in the country the
ooltlon of the labouring classes is worse off in proportion.
(Chun from the opposition.) I should not like t) offer
him such an insult as to suppose so; for, although seek
• fallacy might attract the ignorant, I think len
intelligent man will be found to say, that the more food
the people can command, that is, the I,wer the price, the
wane are they off. (lieu, hear.) But the noble earl said
this other Milli, that he was afraid, notwithstanding there ,
hod been an improvonnot in the condition of some interests,'
that with regard to the working classes, the con•equence
of reducing the price of food war, that wages were lower.
Meer, hear.) I consider it, th.refore, important to show,
that while lead is lower, the people are able to consume
more of other articles, and that the general con,..itiou of the
country has improved. I bud:y like to go into details,
Ismause I hope now we are generally agreed on this m;.tter,
and that whereas those statistics which used to be detailed
"bowing that the poop e were better off in proportion as
bed was cbeap, are no longer necessary. All parties now
is the country are in a prosperous state, and, judging by
the amendment, it appears to be admitted by the other
side, that that result has been influenced by the
price of food. (lieu, hear.) I have had more
statements and papers sent to me on this subject than 1 am
able to tarry, which I would read to the house if I thought
there was any dispute—any difference of opinion—on that
point. (Ileac, hear.) These statements, which come from
persons in all the towns and all parts of the country, say
that there never was known so much prosperity as now
exists ; and that such is the result test by whatever means
you please—whether, by the amount of labour employed,
the amount of cupers,ur the amount of crime and the state
of the gaols. Hear! bear.) Take either or all of those
tests, and it wi be found by these statements that the cou-
dation of the people is better now than it was at any
former period. Ido not proceed to read these to the house
because I hope we are all agreed on that subject ; and, in
the words of the right hon. gentleman's amendment, that
that which hasreduced the price of provisions has effectually
improved the condition and increased the comforts of the
people. (Cheers.) But I want the right hon. gentle.
man to go further. Ile appears to have convinced
himself that the condition of the working classes has im.
proved, but (I do not know why) be coafines the admission'
of the improvement to that class. I cannot consent so to
confine it. (Hear, hear.) For there is no possibility of be.
netting the working classes without that benefit being ex-
tended to all others. (Loud cheers.) For the same reason,
and in the same way, the laws which formerly existed could
not injure the working classes without all other classes—
every business, every section of the community, participat-
ing, sooner or later, in the injury. (Hear, hear.) There-
fore Ido not understand why the right hon. gentleman
confined his resolution to the working classes, when it is
quite clear that if they consume more, more must be produced,
and the manufacturers and producers of all the arti-
cles that enter into their consumption must necessarily
be benefited in proportion. (Hear, bear.) Our foreign
trade must be greater for foreigners era allowed to come to
our shores without obstruction, and inasmuch as the means
of their customers are exhausted in the purchase of food,
they have more to expend in other secondary articles, sad
the merchant, the trader, and the manufacturer arie all
alike benefited by the same cause. (Hear, hear.) It le for
this reason that in my resolution I propose the right hon.
gentleman shall accept the principle and admit the doc-
trine that the property and industry of the country will be
better able to bear their respective burdens under the prin-
ciple of free trade than under that of protection. (lieu,
hear.) And it is upon this point that 1 am
ana,ou to have it understood what is the opi-
nion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, which from
any thing that has been said I have not yet been able
to discover. (Hear.) I want to have his views on these
reensructitvhejorllnocinirl:ii,thefnepu trade
rposes tord.Kirochtec.teitTa—vu(hmeaert).—i-t
is certainly one of the purposes for which I have brought
forward my resolution. (Hear.) I want to know if lie
thinks protection a great good—that it will enable persons
to support their burdens; and that free trade is an injury
which prevents them from bearing those burdens ? fins
proposition bas not yet been disposed of by the right hon.
gentleman, anu it is left untouched by the amendment he
has put upon the votes. Now my opinion is that protection
is an unqualified mischief—(loud opposition cheers)—that
it is unjust in principle, vicious in practice, and is peculiarly
injurious to the interests intended to be protected. (Loud
cheers.) Under these circumstances, if cos can come
to an agreement—if the right honourable gentleman
would come to the same conclusion, it would be important,
because I expect some future legislation will have reference
to it. My opinion is, that no com-iensation is needed for
the interest that was formerly protected—(hear, hear)—for
as regards that interest—l speak not of individuals—it has
been served by free trade ; while, under protection, every
interest (I don't believe there is en exception) has withered.
(Hear, hear.) The experience we have had during the last
Ave years had shown the great advantage of setting all in-
terests free. I feel as much as any man can for the
farmers. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) And why, in
God's name, should I net? (Hear, hear.) They are a
most valuable clue, • most valuable portion of
the middle class—of the producing class of this
country, who have invested their capital in the land ;
and among that clue there are none who ought
more to be respected. (Hear, hear.) Any one who
debates on the wants and requirements of the community at
large, and omits the farmers, makes an omission of '
those who are as much entitled to consideration
as any clam. I sin sure my interests would not lead me so to
regard them, end I say so distinctly. I think them a most
interesting elase—(hear, and a laugh)—and I think the
time has come *ben their interests should be more con-
sidered in this bowie than they have hitherto been.
(Cheers.) I think them a very ill used class. (Cheers, '
and counter sheen.) I can show that their distress has been
made capital of-loud cheers)—and that no class has been
more deluded. ((Amen.) After rebutting some general
argument' in favour of protection duties, the hon. and
learned member concluded by saying : I therefore hope that
the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer
will not attempt to evade this real question by talking of
factiousness or by impugniog my re pemonal motives—(cheer,)
—bat I hope that he will straightly to the question
before the house, and that he will nos sit down without
letting as at last know what he does generally mean:, (Loud
sheers.) $.llOllllOllB is the mischief which has been done
by the omens takes by bon. gentlemen opposite ever since
1846. I know, too what I have read, and also from what
I ham seen ea the mettinent of Europe, that abroad people
essaerste the hopactesos of the party to which hon. gear
tkoset opposite bans ; they tosorisie that Lord Derby
doss opressat a stow seeks se do &Wise political cow
oranity, and that es tids_qpnellen bo Ms power eventually
N mons the policy et Sir Itehort Pool; and it is helot
solssises that in -doss butanes, where bodge nations is
disposed to abases their own osemorcial pokey,
the soorrosset b isinnisd booms iOIIIIIW
melt so ssopollsd to Oils agrel th• for
Snell edema st this soakedotectionist
I. this sentry. (Hose bor.) Coastant mischiefWls still
ag disk as it has beim dose, by the agitation and soar-
des J Imes pestostiseist wad anti-free-trade 4111111 i cod
I, thereto', dm say Asa the importance of woo
woad ossalative see as this, and which shell be Won se
• final &shift of the parlissamat and of the country, tor
not be weestatod; sad as kw lf, I will only say that I'
bare so motive bat Not which has influenced me dories
the fifteen years et Metesin proposing the mohair
'lash I have already roadie the house. (Lond and bag
illitesison=teing bees seconded (we did not noise
th• ossoisr), and road by the Speaker,
Mr. DISRAELI sow. At the moment the house, Boor sat,
sallarks, was densely crowded. (Lord Derby was anon
So porn present) ; end • movement of intense ersitnennes,
lei oneleity was m the right hon. gentleman tub
Ids pima at the table. He spoke as follows:—Sir, if the
spook we have just listened to with so mock interest—
with that interest which we always feel in the oddness. at
the hon. and learned member for Wolverhampton—hal

been a speech in favour of the repeal of the corn-laws, or in
favour of the repeal of the sugar laws, ee these laws existed
some time ego, I think that it would have been mach more
appropriate than on this occasion it appears to me to H
(Cheers and laughter from the ministerial beaches.) Be-
muse what we have to decide So-night is sot whether the
ems laws should be repealed, is not whether the
warm laws should be repealed is not whether
preludes or free Made, to nee the indefinite language of
the lea. sad learned riatkomm, should be repealed or
shield be seppeetei—bell ie whether her Majesty's wank.,
tees„ le their sense sines their saorosioa to cake, have
(alas/ time pledgee* parliament and to the country
..(61 SO, Me," cheers, and counter cheer)—and having
reneomeed that they would defer to the opinion of the
county en • subject of great importance, have or have not
frankly eessauslested to the hemse the resolution. at which'
they had arrived. (Cheers from the ministerialists, and
ironical cheers front the opposition.) The bon. and learned
gentleman hen just told Ls that enormous mischief has bees
done to this country by the course which has been
taken by the protectiosist party since the year 1848.
Well, if "saormoua mischief" has really been dons to the
country by the conduct of the protectionist party since
1E46, fat from wishing to escape from the issue before us, I
my it is the duty of this Haase of Commons, if that, in-
deed, he their opiates, to express It, and to announce in a
manner which shall not be mistaken that they have not
confidence in the men who have perpetrated " enormou
mischief." (Great cheering and counter cheering, which
lasted eons Nemeth.) That being the charge, I hope
that the hoam will allow rite on this occasion to tram, in a
dispassionate maser, our conduct Mace the period to which

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the honourable and learned gentleman haTTe7e-...".
On reviewing their conduct since the repeal of the corn
law in 1846, he maintained that it would be found that
those same protectionists had never once attempted to ob-
tain the abrogation of that law. As it was with corn,
so it was with the sugar duties and the navigation laws. The
party with which he had acted had opposed the repeal of
all those laws; and when they lost the tight, they had de-
mended inquiry into the working and effects of the dialog,.
which hsd taken place. In this respect they could not be
said to have done se much mischief as the wings themselves
in their conduct with regard to the sugar duties. The pro,
tectionist party had but one of in the course they took_
the welfare of the latiouring classes; ai.d it w-s Incase
they believed that these clauses generalise er.d one
interest in particular, would sutler frommit.hde,,,egn,,-,c,til.imat
they opposed them. The hon. gentleman continued—
Well, now, with regard to the first qui &IWO. that
as to the land, I have shown to the house that the
party perpetrating all this "enormous nii.chiti," from
the moment of the repeal of the corn laws, never attempted
to disturb the new law in this house. (ironies! cheers from
the free-traders.) I have shown that with respect to the
repeal of the sugar laws this party confined its ass rtion, to
obtaining • calm and elaborate iureatigation ; and what tlia
consequence of that inquiry, pursued with seal, with
energy, and sustained by its with knowledge, was that we
—in opposition—influenced the conduct of the minister of
the day. And therefore, on Altar two heads, I thiwk t
have shown to the house that the accts.:item of the bon,
and learned gentleman sgaiust us has uu foulidation
whatever. (Cheers.) I nose come to the third branch
of the question. We opposed—and,
protectionist party—the repeal of the navigaiiee low,.
have we attempted ever to abrogate that third decision eg
the house ? On the contrary, the present tint minister of
the crown took • very early opportunity of saying, alter the
change, that that was a change which no I.
attempt to reverse—that it was impossib:s to reverse the
steps of the country with respect to those laws, after
it had decidedly resolved to take that course. Let in. coo.
tinue, and trace further the conduct, with respect to ease
great questions' of the party that has perpetrated " coot-
mous mischief" in the state; and let me re-
mind the house of their political aches up t
this moment. (Hear, hear.) Not having in any
instance attempted to disturb the decision of parliament on
thou great questions, circumstances at length arose which
called the attention of the parliamentary party to the
condition of the cultivators of the soil of this country.
When the election of 11117 took place the orgaiii.then of
political parties was entirely broken up ; very high prices,
owing to peculiar circurastences, were being oh:aim-if;
and the opinion of the constituent body w. realiy not in
the least taken upon the principle, the merits, er the
possible consequences of the recent legislation, .1 large
protectionist party was indeed returned to the Louse, and
which was influenced by that feeling that is always ex-
hibited in great bodies of our couetr)nieu—a recline of
sympathy with and gratitude to th i.e who bail fought their
battle, and had adhered to their colours. (Irenicil
laughter from the opposition.) lion. gentlemen opposite
may deride that feeling, but you may rely on it if those
feelings aro not upheld parliamentary geverunient will
soon disappear with them. (Renewed ironical cheers and
laughter.) Every one knows that in the elections of 14/
the economical controversy, so far as agriculture we.. con-
cerned, was never entered into. The farmers, as 1 have
said, were, from peculiar circumstances, obtaining high
prices. Political parties were in great cluotieniesition;
and as to the large party returned to this boast favoaratile
to what is called the agricultural interest, the fact is,
that there was no pressure from that interest in any
way, or from the cultivators of the soil, to make any
sdvance in the house fur their adsanta,re. But in Iftin the
pinch, which had Leen foreseen, had not only commincee,
but was in acute operation. What, in those circumstances,
was the conduct of the protectionist party ? When we were
premed by our constituents and by those two iutercsts
which were naturally dear to us—when they complained of
their great sufferings and of their great losses (and that
their sufferings and their hues were great we need not
prove, since we have Uwe, ii a ready witness as to the looses
of the farmers in the hon. and learned gentleman the mem-
ber for Wolverhampton)—whin these came to us, what was
our course ? Did we come forward and demand Irotection
back ? No. (Ironical cheers) We said to these parties,
"We opposed the repeal of the corn laws on
two grounds—first, and on the most considerable ground,
in the interest of labour, and secondly, on the suberd.ca'a
ground, of the possible injury the repeal of thirst laws rreerlit
do to you. Hut we arc not satisfied that the interedi of
labour are injured yet by that change; we cannot, there-
fore, lend ourselves to your cry and come furward—(ironical
cheers, which prevented the speaker from coecluding the
sentence). Well, but—(remonstrated the right hon. gett-
tlemen)—why interrupt ? I think I itCOlpiSo the voioes
engaged in these disagreeable ejaculatioas • and I can easily
understand that this is the readiest logic oisame meet Bat
I do assure some of those lien. members that by far
the most convenient way of carry ing en debate in a deli-
berative auembly is to meet argument by &Nutrient;
and let them be sure that if the argument k
not sound, and if the statement be not cermet,
before this debate is over both will be exposed. (Cheers,
and laughter.) I say that our advice to those who com-
plained to us was this—" We cannot, because an interest is
suffering, recommend a return to a protective policy.
Nothing can justify a return to a protective policy but that
injury to the great and general interests of labour which we
believed from the beginning the repeal of the corn lawn
would occasion:. And in the course which we took on
that occasion I was the humble organ of the party. We
said, " If you find that your distress is as acute as we anti-
cipated that it would be—if you find your sufferings in-
tolerable—if you find, in fact, that the cost of production
is not remunerated by your returns—consider your
condition—consider your position in reference to taxation
(which must be a large element in the calculation of the
cost of production), and if any means can be discovered
whereby you can be relieved from burdens which other
classes are not subject to, or if by other means equally
legitimate fiscal relief can be produced to you, we win
do our duty to you in the House of Commons, and
attempt to secure you such relief." In pursuance of this
advice, and at the request of my friends, 1 made a
motion to this house of a remedial nature; and that
• motion received, if not the sanction of the house,
on doubt, at least, a considerable support. The
right hon. gentleman after reviewing the circumstances
under which the government took office, proceeded
—Lord Derby had made up his mind that nothing
could justify a return to the abrogated systeme
anleas the labouring classes were largely and
permanently suffering. That was the determination of
Lord Derby in 1851, when he was called on unexpectedly
to form a government. Ile had to announce a policy that,
while he shod • sympathy with those great classes in the
country, the sufferings of which are admitted by hon. gen-
tlemen opposite, would be consistent with his policy not to
repeal those laws. The programme of Lord Derby was one
of progress and of conciliation, and how moderate it was
will be seen when I revel it to the consideration of the
house. In 1851 did Lord Derby come forward and ssy,
"We must return to the sliding-scale of 181 G ?" Oa the
contrary, he said, " I shall propose as regards the agricul-
tural interest, now suffering so much, that we should have
a countervailing duty, which has been approved of by the
highest authirrities on the subject." You say that the agricul-
tural interest is subject to certain burdens as regards taxation,
subject to certain restrictions as regards industry. Why, I
open the books of the greatest authorities on rill:ice! eco-
nomy, and they tell me that a countervailing duty is the
peeper remedy. I know that one of the most distinguished
statesmenMille day, the member for Tiverton, speaking of
the repeal of the corn laws, regretted that the opportunity
had been lest. Well, then, a moderate countereailiig duty
was the proposition of Lord Derby in 1811, which would
not disturb the settlement of 1846. (Laughter from the
opposition, and ministerial cheers.) The policy of Lord
se regards the sugar laws ? Did be propose any recurrence
to the laws which were repealed in Bite, with the protest,
wParpleillrlbinamOthaedianyti'ultuitrbrebeipainstn. explained in
i'tnhaneadcosPeanndecuhuctnionnffoLobrlrdedPlairahl
by the bye, of Sir R. Peel ? An that Lord Derby
for a time when
ffpeororereirii, dsuirga betweenstbh
cm
it tth,hille
bdErrinodtliedndg,uatylabel:tnwiwyeehnichconraidiale a andr
the colonial interests were suffering the great trial they
were oiag through. And now to the third point. pia
Lord Derby propose to re-institute the abrogated t:Ata that
laws ? On the contrary, Lord Derby only proposed
marl*" etirecouniTes wnhcaichwalthe imPwaible, and thei ironed.e Well,f thou
noble lord sanctions.
Lord
Derby did not sumeed in forming • government in lesl,
end it became therefore necessary to consider his position's
respect to these questions, and, after due consideration,. it
was his opinion that it would be extremely unwise ande-
jttrious to bring forward in parliament. in that or any .gt h.
e
outi the great industrial
Sequent session, any motion
whichoriid has so long pros
ircll ey maintssa:
wailed. I have shown the house what has been the
course of the protectionist party in parliament with rupeet
to those three great measures which are popularly described
as the three great measures of free trade, the repeal of the
re rolaavw4ltith.onnlaPeweal. ofl lithaveesusghoarednuttoielth
the moment those three measures were carried we never is
were suf.
settlement; bat in sympathising with those who
feriag out of the house we brought forward measures _
any way whatever attempted in this house to disturb that
neeted with them which were of a remedial character, bat
he conduct
which is no way disturbed or challenged the principle ea
which those laws were passed. Now, what was t
OwrithearaPecher I would to those
eanhdoutwhethreaptcalfrofd
least
blued to terminate the course of a ministry who at the
d as
shall show to the house that those sections perpetrate
newere piplreldgitmedentt.oin bwrihrigichfeovrewryarthel
ingthiesirtontweaeduerescideidnith the
A soufbjthecetsuonfikt desec greattioni: party
blifvoemeent-ii.,
enormousehtierij Nmoiscw,hiseifr.asl wweiuditakd oeursethelvesfo.
Sir Robert Peel. They
if we look to their great experience and their great aibnility,
they mat always be looked at with great respect • this
Mermibly. Far be it from me to misinterpret or meow
filar eenduct I will not examine the pages of nee a
te see how many of the followers of that eminent pereonsile
meted in favour of motions of a reini,lial character-
I will treat them with fairness, and 1 am ea.'
Wens I take as their representative one whom they en
may
not
be
oomelrolo(.l;:us.ubduotmf:trthiett riire:
hardly hesitate in acknowledging their principal orator. !
hake that distinguished statesman and accomplished debater..
the member for the University of Oxford. Now, to the
ittl
humble representative of the party which was perpe
enormous mischief for the last five years, let me sec what
.
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