The Express.
London, England, 1863-06-05 00:00:00

that they shmild bare volunteers in Inland. At a time
when so much dissatisfaction existed each e. memoirs as this
ought Dot to be proposed. If at any time aboald danger
arise in Ireland the protestoute would come forward as they
did is 1848 in the support of the government. It would
not beads in the present state of Ireland to put arms is the
PETITIONS. bends of the Irish, in the way proposed by the hon. member.
It would be to place that countive the position of America,
orth.leird SOS DNS promoted a petition from visiting • the
r el Norfolk spinet the Prison Ministers Bill. abd arm the mu." spinet
Sir DE LACY EVANS hoped that the house would
A number of pektioas ware presented against the sale of
intoxicating liquors cm Sundays vistaed their freedom of all jealousy of the people of
Ireland os this subject by giving their support to the
PRIVATE BUSINESS. motion of his hos. friend.
The Victoria Station sad Pimlico Railway Bill and the The Marquis of HARTINOTON said that it was not
names Bridges Bill were reed a third time and lensed. because the government had any fear of the loyalty of the
The following hills ware reed a mooed time :—Drike of . Irish people that it declined their cervices, but solely on
Clisirobied and Earl of Sinderich's Fatale • Pembroke Town- , amount of the unfortunate religious differences which pre-
; Blackrect, Mookatowit, and Booterstown Improve- . veiled amongst them. Her Majesty's government thought
asst; Tremors Farbankineot ; Knighton and Central it unadvisabie to place arms in their hands, while a law
Wales Railway Corapaakie ; Ciskei Wales Extension Rail- existed which might enable the Lord-Lieutenant, by a pro-
way , Letterkessy Railway - Northampton and Banbury • demotion, to deprive them of those arms the next day.
Jasetsoo Railway ; Lerders, 11111sory, and Soutbeod Rail- • (Hear, bear.)
way • Ware, Hadhaas, sad Bantingford Railway ; Salfroa , Colonel FRENCH observed that those who knew the
Walden Railway. I country—adunfortunately the noble lord bad no one
BRAZIL about him that did—would tell the government that on the
The Berl dMALMEBBURY gave noticethat on Tuesday, loyalty and discretion of Ireland he might implicitly rely,
Mr 164 h inst., be shook' all attention to the state of our and under these circumstances he appealed to the house to
sibs= with Bad. I support the amendment of hie hoe. friend, (Hear, hear.)
Niscount PALMERSTON—ReaIIy, sir, there is very

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOME OF LORDEL—Tuvitamy, Julia 4.
The LORD Ong took his scot on the woolsack
g Iwo o'clock.

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TELEGRAPHS BILL I little to say after the short, but concludve, statemeat of raj
Oa the motion of Lead Sr/atter of ALDRILLT this noble friend. My hon. friend who has moved this resolution
bat was ordered to he referred to • select committee. , seems to be of opinion that her Majesty's government have
Their lordships rese at 90 mantes past 5 o'clock. I not accepted the offers which have been made from Ireland
for the formation of volunteer corps because they dia-
HOUSE OF CONYONI3.—TIWR4DAY; Jtrtur 4. trusted the loyalty of the people. Sir, we feel no such din
The Braaten took the °hair at 4 o'clock. trust. My hon. friend speaks for the loyalty of Manner.
The hon. and pliant colonel opposite did justice to the
PRIVATE ROSINESS. same feeling in Plater, My hon. and gallant friend speaks
The following bills were read a third time and passed : for Connaught ; and I beg leave, so far as my local know.
Radford, Wakefield, and Leeds Railway • Great Northern ledge goes, to confirm his statement. No doubt iceman will
Bedew (Spalding to Mani) ; Great Northern of Scotland also speak for Leinster ; and putting all these testimonies
Railway ;Le ominater and Elisiem Railway ; Oswestry and together, no one can question that the Irish are a very loyal
Newtown Railway (branskae, Ica) ; ftrewsbury and and well disposed nation. I know very well that some
lrekepool Railway ; sad the est Midland Railway. 1 months ago some very tool oh speeches were made, sod were
PERSONAL EXPLANATION. , aeoompaaied by a few very foolish riots ; but I quite un-
derstood the foolish source in which those p • °ri-
ga C. BOWYER --I beg to claim the attention of the glinted. lam persuaded that the Irish ea lovas' any
leeeme,_ fora
___„ few moments eee Peree„nel natter,: It will be nation can be expected to be—(larightsreer)—..a ea most
in 41" ~...eetmn .". the hoes, that 'n • 'Tem" w""'" ' tu. nations are. (Hear, hear.) lem quite satisfied that if any
redly delivered oo the affair of Italy, I gave an amount occasion should area upon which it would be necessary to
el a ooaversation which took place between Mr. Odo call von Irishmen to arm in defence of their country, they
Rowell and the Preach penal in command at Rome. It would answer that call with the same devotion and loyalty
is my duty to inform the house that I have received a that they have shown in former days. Luckily, however,
Wr. Wier from M Odo Remelt, in which he stated' that the -
1 we are not at present in that condition; and I trust that for
essestat I gave of that =armistices is inaccurate. ' a long time to come we shall not have 0031600 to call on
Mr. HADFIELD complathed that the statement made
them to resist any hostile attack. But in Ireland there is
UT Um hon. member Waa bee* ...A unintelligible. (Cries "‘, one peculiarity which does not equally exist in this country,
___ ______ . I "Order. order.")namely, that owing tow unfortunate difference of opinion
.. .

TELEGRAPH COMMUNICATION WITH INDIA. 1 upon iiligious ciaitions there is • tendency to display a
Mr. WHITE
Secretary, viotitis that on Woodsy he would put a national quality which rolgallant friend the member for Ros-
e/seam to theof State for India respecting tele. , common (Colossi French seems to suppose we do Dot think
eerie, namely, a natio pugnacity. (A laugh.) My pliant
Nesse communic;o;Wth that country.
1 friend appeared to fancy that we distrust the popereem qua-
THE EXHIBITION BUILDLNG. ' lilies of Irishmen. (Lsughter.) So far, however, from
Mr. GREGORY asked • the Pict Lord of the Treasury calling it in question, we are satisfied that that quality is
Maher a detailed statement of the expense to be incurred exuberant in Ireland ; and from peculiar eireumetames
ini altering, repairing, completing, and rendering beautiful which experience has shown us. we believe that that quality
leis International Exhibition building would be printed and le too apt, without any adequate necemity, to be called into
bid before the home, previous to a vote of 485,0001. bane action. (Laughter.) Now, we with to reserve the
tags as the first expellee connected with the purchase of pugnacity of Irishmen for the time when some more worthy
OM bedding? ' enemy calls for it to be exemplified. We do not wish them,
Lord PALMERSTON—There is no ob*tion to lay before by way of keeping their heath in, to exercise on each other
the house details of the sum named. With regard to the that admirable quality which ought to be reserved for some
ease points it will be my duty to explain them when I pro- , bettor 00fAsiOn. (Cheers.) That is really the whole matter.
pins the vote. I Mr. MAGUIRE did not think the bon. and gallant mem-
Mr. GREGORY asked if they would have those detail' j bar (Colo el & Knox) wished to imply that the amendment
gemested before the explanation ? bad been suggested by any base or unworthy motive.
lewd PALMERSTON—Yea, they will be laid on the ,(e No, no, from Colonel Knot) He denied that there was
IBMs tomorrow. I any disloyalty amongst the people of Inlaid ; but he must
SEIZURE OP THE " WILL 0' THE WISP." say that the policy of the government—the policy of separate
Mr. CRAWFORD asked the Under Secretary of State' legislation and a special treatment for Ireland—was tbe rarest
tee, Foreign Affairs If any claim had been made upon the way to foster and disaffection, He trusted that if
goverment of the UnusedB, 8,„„„of America for room,. the noble I would not give the people arms
me. to the ow..a at the ethoooec. win ~,, the weep, to protect them from the foreign invader, he would. fled the
mad, in Mexican waters at liatamoras, by the United people employment by which they might drive away the
theta meet feretemeey, on the 3rd eft, of Joe., nee, domestic
.erolf of hunger from their doors. (Cheers.). _
red afterwards released by decision of the prise court at ' um . IS. KNOX begged to disclaim the intention of
Key West, on the link day of July following ? 'imputing any unworthy motives to the mover of the amend-
Mr. LAVARD—Ia sager to the question of my bon. ', moot- ((Hear bear.)
/memo, to point out to him that the question &rm. Sir C. BOWYER obsetve.d that there wasoin. Lo.. laden
om
• statement which sire all has not been proved and is Irishand volunteer corPeewpiChw!a.??lrOKU r_0,0,2
none for
Estee to great doubt, that iii, that the vessel was seined in protestant members, and which wasrc°l29ls° n°
Mese= waters. Thecae was tried before the prise cart at harmony of feeling mid efficiency of discipline. (Hear.)
lay Wert, and the court deeided that the vessel should be be allowed, if He thought that Irishmen ought to they
gamed, but they also decided that there were sufficient thought proper, to do what Englishmen were permitted to
pounds of suspicion to warrant the with's, and they roe. do. For that reason, if the house went to a division, he
should support the amendment.
sequently refused to give damages or costa. Her Majesty's ,
germerneut then ordered representations to be made to the I The house then divided, and the numbers were—
'United States government to the effect that if damages For going into committee
are not given,_ at least ate should be awarded to the , For the amendment 45--111
meas. The United States government replied—and he I The amendment was consequently negatived.
as ieformed that they were right—that tuatal theowners had The house then went into committee on the bill.
ezhandal all legal means the Brah government could not I On clause yie
Saki, maks any demand on the United States government- Mr. HIBBEET moved its omission. Under it, he said,
The usual course is to appeal to the Supreme Court of the volunteers might be called upon to assist in suppressing
United States, and that, appeal has not yet been made by riots, and this might lead to similar ill-feeliegs to those
the owner, Wbe, however presume will make such • which arose is the early part of the ornery from the
When that appeal m decided it will remain for her , emptoyment of the yeomanry in Lancashire. He depre-
jay's 'movement to say what course shall be taken. tasted the volunteers being placed in the unpleasant position
Mr. CRAWFORD—I am informed that the veal was in which this clause would put them.
mimed because she was taken in Mexican waters. I Sir G. GREY said the clams was in fact restrictive. It
Mr. LAYARD—The bon. member is minstrels. The • would place a double check on the action of volunteers,
I.lleel was mad beanie she was suspected of conveying inasmuch as the meant of the Lord Lieutenant and of the
anitioe of war, and the court decided that thegunpowoler Secretary of State would both be requisite before they
ea board did not, under the circumstances, come under , could be employed.
ast character. 1 Mr. BUXTON thought nevertheless that the clause
EXHIBITION BUILDING. I ought to be omitted. The tendency of it would be to
Mr. C. BKNTINCK asked the Chancellor of the Excite- cause volunteer' to be called out in OMR of riot, and on
queer whether his attention had been called to a design pre- that ground it was, in his opinion, very objectionable.
peed by Captain Fowke for the alteration or completion of Lord ELCHO thought that with the checks impact there
the Exhibition Building; whether her Majesty's govern- was nothing objectionable in the clams. The best dis-
sent approved geuerally of such design ; and, if en, whether Mplined men in the volunteer force masted, it should be
tbe cost of the same Was included in the estimate now laid remembered, to a coinriderable extent. of artisans. It was
wpm the table of the house? The hon. member also asked not desirable, in his opinion, to do away entirely with the
whether, if no design had yet been approved of, it was the power which existed under the old law, aid which could
intention of her Majesty's government to employ Captain only be exercised in extreme came.
Bake as the whitest of the sew building. , Mr. AYRI'ON hoped his hon. friend (Mr. Hibbert) would
lard PALMERSTON—No desigs has yet been approved, persevere in his opposition to this clause. The great Oi-
led no decision ame to as to who shall be employed to jection to this rallies out of volunteers for the suppression
slake the changes recessary in order to adapt the building if riots would be that they would then stand in the seine
Er the ;cremes for which at is intended. position as regular soldiers and become liable to martial
law. As parliament was making • new law for the regula-
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THE HERRING FISHERIES IN SCOTLAND. tion of the volunteer service it should adapt the law to the
Mr. FINLAY asked the Lord Advocate whether he in- altered circumstances of the times. Be was astonished that
tended to propose a !nears for legalising the use of trawl the government should have thought of reviving such an
et seise nets for catching herrings in Scota,nd. . enactment.
Its LORD ADVOCATE—It is not proposed to I Mr. EGERTON objected to the volunteers being placed
Moak this year on the 'abject, in order that time may in a position in which they might be called on t 3 assist the
be yen for the emsideration of the report. (Hear.) , civil power.
HOLYHEAD HARBOUR--PERSONAL Fa.PLANA- I Mr. POTTER said he remembered the Manchester riete
TIONS. . which took place many years ago, and to supremo which
Mr. TOLLIMACIII and Colonel D. TIERNANT having
the yeomanry were called out, and he distinctly recollected
the odium that attached to the yeomanry for the part
semplained of some remarks on the subject of the corn- they were called upon to take on that occasion. (Hear'
bear.) He should be sorry to see the volunteers made liable
=zt the committee on Holyhead Harbour by Mr.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that his to incur the unpopularity which must arise from their acting
_____,.„_. spat the people.
""mta=l/1 did not
"the"party "7
thbeergoofv•rothrle."""nt he bad'''. Mr. ROGERS hoped that the volunteer force would never
the cavil power. The owever, was an be called on to aid vil bill, h
• doubt of the impartiality of the committee.
Mr. H. HERBERT said be never heard anything more emu. ranee of peace, not only abroad, but at home, and he
believed that additional security would be afforded in the
imicalated to wound the feelings or more insulting to the knowledge of the fact that sachpower existed as that
mamba of the committee personally than the remarks et conferred by the clause.a
Mr. Gladstone.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this' Mr. EVANS supported the amendment.
lirwas beyond the lieges of parliamentary courtesy, ' Mr. SELWYN said that there was nothing compulsory
e had used words insulting to any member they in the clause, and it would only be is very extreme cases
aught to have been noticed at the time. He entirely dins that the power to employ yob:steem in the manner referred
dated the intention of using weeds insulting to anyone, to would be exercised. He believed that the adoption of
He only said the committee was not an impartial one. the clause would render the probability of a collision between
The SPEAKER laid down that words requiring the the volunteers and the people less likely than it even at pre-
lates of the house must be brought before the house at sept "It
Se time they were used , Sir J. SHELLEY considered that in the interest of peace
Colonel FRENCH said that the statement of tbe right and humanity the clause ought to be omitted. In ease of
the. gentleman, that the committee was a partial one, riot and disturbance a small number of regular soldiers
as an insulting one. would have a greater effect upon the mob than a greater
Mr. DISRAELI said that, in reference to the conduct of number of volunteers. If voleeteera, however, were to be
Ike helium of the house, it was not proper that the go- so employed, there ought to be compulsory power given to
aressestt should consent to the appointmeut of • committee make them ut-
ef which they did not approve. Mr. FORSTER agreed with the lion. member who had
Mr. HENNESSY protested against the statement of Mr. just spoken that the clause, if adopted at all, ought to be
Glsolsteme. made compulsorf, so that partisan action might be avoided.
Mr. BRIGHT suspected from the warmth in which it had (Heu. hear.) He hoped, however, thee the amendment
bees taken up that Mr. Gladstone's statement was correct, would be sanctioned by the committee, as be thought that
He bed often heard objections taken to committees on the nobles in 'saes et the lam emergency it would lie hear
pseud of partiality.. , that volunteers should act as special mashies. than as ea
The subject was gam on, when . armed farm against their own countrymen. (Hear, hem)
Tiro SPEAKER declaxed the discussion was irregular, and . Mr. HE ADLAM said be quite agreed with all that had
that it might cease ; bat been said se to the inexpedimicy of using the volunteer. isload "=" H. CECIL still some observations impugn- the manner contemplated by the clams, except in cases of
fag the decision of the Er= and the matter dropped. earpecy. In the event of such ma occurring, full
PUBLIC WORKS IN THE MANUFACTURING i security was afforded that the exercise of tbat power would
DISTRICTS. ; be • judicious ma, by the fact that it was necessary that
Mr. VILLIERS gave Betio' that co Friday next he the' elation of the secretary of stateand of the lord-lieu-
tenant of the county should be previously obtained.
druid move for leave to bring in a bill te facilitate the
enation of public wedge in certain mumfacturiag die- Earl Cizosvr.son and Sir IL FARQUHAR supported the
kids, and to authorise for this purpose admires of public am,Zdthene,..„,,,t,,* en, pr A wrivrernv said that le maw to a limited amount upon the security of the local : be'"&"'—'ge,,y— " —of —th—e—co—in—reittee—thee" --th"reallinake' ROIL
' should be omitted, he would not press the motion to a dive
THE EDLNBURGH BOTANICAL GARDENS. ; don. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GREGORY pve notice that, on Monday, in case of ' The clause gas then negatived.
fie Melia that the house resolve limit into committee of ' Clause 20 was agreed to.
gm* Wag brought on, he should move that the Edie. I On clause 21
berth Polootholl Garde "be opened after divine service on Sir R. CLIFTON moved an amendment enabling 6U
lemdays.
THE EXHIBITION BUILDING. , volunteers who were dismissed by their comma/dim
Mr. GREGORY also gave notice that when the noble officer to obtain an inquiry into the accusations t
agaieat tbein, such accusations to be committed tor'g
Imd at the heed of the government proposed a vote for the and communicated to the accused by the adjutant of the
purchase of the Isternational Exhibition building, he should corps. and the existence and sufficiency of such causes rie
mem the rejection of the vote., spectively to be judged of by • court to be summoned by
Sir& NORTHOIYTE asked the noble lord whether it was the commanding officer, and to consist of one captain, two
oats settled that the vote fee the purchase of the Fetebi. subaltern officers, and two non-commissioned officers or
`en should be takes as Thursday next. i privates of the earns corps. No such power as that mad
Lord PALMERSTON—Meadow week. 1 in commanding officers of volunteer corps was posaired by
VOLUNTEERS BILL , Commanding officers of regimens of the lies ; and the to-
1 luoteer was an mush esti to have hie cam investigated
On the order of the day for going into committee oa this by a court of ion •
WU, es was the private 'either.
Mr. H. LEWIS supported the amendment.
Mr. BAGWELL rose to move the resolution of which he I The Marquis of HARTINGTON hoped that the com-
bed given notice, "that in the opinion of this house it is ins- • mitt. world mato. the clans. te ii. prime
shape. It
pelitss any loner to exclude Ireland from the operation bad been urged that this power by the
of law volunteer "yam, and unjust, should such exclusion comeseedie,,,a,...f regimentswo"f ittarlil.bet might
catinim, to tax belied for the support of English volute be quite true, but there on analogy in this respect
teem" between those regimens and volunteer corps. The private
Colotiel S. KNOX expeemed his surprise that an Irish in the latter body bad the power et dismissing themselves
member should come ferward as such a time to papas alias 14 days maim whale the risme oakum could net