The Express.
London, England, 1863-05-09 00:00:00

THE CENSUS OF IRELAND.

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ALE REMY* MON OP ASSURANCES (IRELAND)

Sir K. PEEL, in answer to Mr. B. Osman& said the He-
&ration of Amman= 818 stood upon the paper for com-
mittee on Monday seat, and it would be more convenient to
date oe that evening the course which the government
might wish to talus to telarinee to the measure. (Laughter.)
Oa the motion that the house go tato a committee of
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hire me his sons s.)
i Mr. E. L. GOWER said he felt reluctut to take any pert
THE STATE OF SOUTHERN ITALY. , is the debate, became he did not think it formed any part
Mr. RENIGIBBY use to mare for further puts na of the duty of the ROOM of Commons to ester into the
spading the elide ot Soothers Italy, and the hon. gentleman internal state of foreign countries. But when the =hie
mid a deepateit had hew wettes by Mr. Consul Bonham, lord said that Italy bad not a free be would
=sash metaissdettashs spec himself for ststements made in ask bins whether the press of peen,
wan net
that lours, lint be weld led so fault with the government free to attack the government • on any point on
ler thee, bat be world blase the government for ad' which they were liable to attack. Mader the
Lyng all the pipes upon the table, because they I farmer government there wee no suppression of journals,
weld show thee Mr. Bonham was wring, and that terse . Is =mellowed to exist except the government
he Ins right in the shesemdiess which he bad mad* as • With regard to the state of the pews, he
brow amen& FM. time to time he bed asked fee tbsught the noble load had been fully answered in the sa-
piens, which, if praised, would show that British trade reiab e speech of the hoe. gentleman who had just sat
with Sicily and Nadal had declined in 1862, as compared down. He had not been recently in Italy himself, but two
with the retiree of 1861. Mr. Boaters had in his despise= j friends of his who had just come from that country in-
referred to him several times, it be (Mr. Beoneesy) would I farmed him that all the prisons were thrown open to hoes,
waders to ray that his statements were inaccurate ad 1 that they visited them all, sod that, although there was •
utterly ioexplicable, and to peeve that be would appeal want of discipline in the prime, they were kept clean, and
bun Mr. Goon) Meebere to a member of the Cabinet—the pod food provided for the pneoners. Be entirely believed
right hoc. gentlemen who was President of the Board of ! is the sincerity of the noble lord. and attributed his repro.
'rude. Ile would mit that right hoc. gentleman whether ! mutation of the state of things in Naples to the fact that he
Mr. Consul Bonham's shmemente were accurate or .not. was surrounded by Maritimes and the agents of the raw.
Xr. Consul Bonham said that the trade of this country tionary party. It was very difficultfor a forever who puthim.
with Italy had iscresed in 1862, as compared with 1861,1 self into the lends of extreme parties to arrive st the exact
bat on Wigton to the accounts of the Board of Truk it ',troth. A permit, for instance, who =rid Ireland, end lie-
woad be fend that there was • decline in the trade be-
Itoned only to the extreme party, would believe that there
twine this country and Naples and Sicily. The imports al was no country io the world so traanitally used as Ireland,l
was from Naples M 1862 had fell= off 100,060 galley es . as no one who entertained the opinions of the hon. member
smeared with 1661 ; and the exports from this country in I for Davenport would be likely to
do jute* to the cotton
IS@ to that country hod fallen off 40 per cent., or 22 per manufacturers. Is proof that Ms noble fried was misled
000 t more than the falling off in our exports to any erase by the reactionary party, he would quote from • dispatch
country. The total lens in exports to Southern Italy Lot lin which • lady, after describing the noble lord, said, we
yew amounted to so lens • sum than 760,0001. Be bad lobed for him and surrounded him." (A laugh.)
brought the matter agate before the house became the pd Sir G. BOW YER, while admittieg that Mr. Better.
veirnmeut had thought fit to impugn his former statements. Johnstone had made an ingenious speech, insisted that his
The hon. member concluded by moving for further papers sophistry was not to be set against the dry fads of Lord
respecting the state of Southern Italy. H. Lennox. He called upon the government, which
Mr. C. BENT'LICK ...id he had great pleasure in seam& bed been maiul) instrumental in bringing about the Present
logthe motion, es he bed on the paper • notice that he state of thinp, to nee ire Maims, to mitigate the despot,
weld move for farther papers relative to the poll. hen under which the people of Southern Italy were
Sid condition of Southern Italy, and would se • groaning.
question of the mode lord at the head of the 1 Mr. AGAR-ELLIS said that the noble lord the member
government on the subject, He considered the noble for Chichester (Lord A. Lennox) had given the house •
lord was not justified is speaking is such terms she had description of the princes in Naples. Having himself visited
red in hisdeepatches Of the French government and the ! all the prisons unabated by the sable lord with the
Pope, both being on tOOOll of friendly relations with our. i exception of one, he (Mr. A. Ellis) did not think he oould
selves. Having read eases extracte from the correspoudence arrive at precisely the seine conclusions. The tit prison
between Lord Russell sad Mr. (100 Russell, the hon. =M. I mentioned by the noble lord be had spoken of in terms of
her proceeded to misted that the brigandage in Naples was I Praise, except as to the time the prisoners were confined
no
um at all, but • civil wee similar to that which i there before they were bought to trial. In that fount
from 1792 to 1812. and besides that none of ft i his testirnony agreed with that of the sable lard, and he
took place on the frontiers of Rome. The Bourbon veers. I Mr. Ellie) thought it a great sloe spes the Neapolitan an.
met, ai one of the senators said, had the t merit of I theeithe thtt they did oat bring their penmen to trial earlier.
preemie( the lives of its subjects—a t the present . In the text instance, the noble lord said that the crimicals
government could not claim, for now there was neither : end the other priaoners were mixed up together. That
eivll nor political liberty in Naples, and the state of thew Ihe (Mr. Ellis) thought was • roirtake. The debtors had the
was worthy of the role of Tamerlane or Gmbh Klan. I Privilege of mixing with the forgers and burglar—(a laugh)
Mr. LAYARD, in opposing the motion, declared that —but the burglars and forgers had not the Privilege of es-
the system of brigandage in Southern Italy was not a 1 tering the debtors' ward. (A laugh). Another mistake, he
popular movement, but that of an insignificant reactionary' thought, of the noble lord was that with regard to the female
@adios. whose only object was to involve the country in ; Tethooere The noble lard mid they were with some of the
confasion and bloodshed, and the sympathy for which ex- I worse women of the town. It was true that there were
pressed by the party as the conservative benches showed I some women of that edam in the prim= but they were not
that they were see the friends of Italian liberty. Re- ! mixed up with the criminal and Political Mimosa. The
feeling to the statement of Mr. Beneuey as to the &wen food he bed found good in quality, and sufficient in queri-
ed is the export tirade with Italy, Mr. Laverd ireta` tity is all the prisons be bad visited— is fact, with the
minims to show that the hoe. =ember for the Rine. County . exception of less meat being allowed than in the English
was in error in that sod that great commercial air • prisons, sod this was in conformity with the leis require.
tidy prevailed t out nearly the whole of the Italian : meet. of the country, he thought they were better fed than
empire. The hop. member spoke warmly in favour of the in England. As to veneiletioo, he would venture to say he
newly-established government of Victor Emmanuel, ad bed ceeesinnellY experieneed worse I. that boric. (Laugh-
expressed his opinion that it enjoyed the carbides= of tho ' Uri With respect to the convict establishment, there was
Italian people, and was calculated to bring about that great a cootrast between the col
ls as they existed in the time o
deidenturn, Italian welly. ! the Bourbons aed those which had been erected since.f
Lad H. LENNOX emphatically denied that the' The letter were einan and wholesome, whereas the dirt,
pesernment of Victor Emmanuel was entitled to the diecomfort, sod filth of the former were very remarkable.
admiratiou of the house, or the respect of the English He might state that the new irons in the prison were half
people. On the contrary, be contended, not only from , the weight of the old ones.
meat pennon) experience of the country but from official Sir P. O'BRIEN said he had listened with pleasure to
&cements, that an odious system of dom atm espionage
itileudeabletotebrrthein.bwibeiclhordtheoplpc.italiaat. aaturriliomH. badi..l7.
was daily, or rather eightky, carried on, because the people
were dragged out of their beds to prison, that liberty of the As a general supporter of the government he complained of
prom was *upended, that the freedom of the subject was the intemperate remarks which had been indulged in by the
a amehery, and that the state of the prisons was disgraceful . Under Secretary for FOrithe Affairs.
ts humanity. Ladies were imprisoned for "political sym- 1 After some observations from Sir P. O'BRIEN.
=thin." and he himself had men three sista,' who were' Mr. B. COCHRANE reed a Mug list of alleged
charred on suspicion of baring hung out • Bourbon ear. atrocities committed by the Italian government &meg the
ankh, according to their own •Imit`thg, wag merely a lea last few months, sad declared that the despotism practised
shut put out to dry! The noble lord pro &graphic descrip- •is the Neapolitan provinces was a disgrace to a civilised
ties of the visits which be had paid to the Nosed=
0 prim OM, state. He complained that whereas her Majesty's govern-
tire inmates of which be described as being reduced to the stint had almost daily interfered to improve the state of
most deplorable addition of moral and physical destitutim . affairs is Italy whet under the Bourbon dynasty, it had
One reit which he paid was to the prin.'s io which Count dose nothing whatever to mitigate the evils under which
Christen sod Signor Caraigiolo were confined. The hoe. the Neapolitan states were suffering.
gentleman opposite (Kr. lewd) mid that Count rid= ' Mr. MAGUIRE expressed his solemn belief that in
had received the most liberal treatment from the govern. • few years they would see the present state of
sent. He (Lord H. Lennox) would state what that treat, this= in Italy abolished by the restoration of the old
mot was. They were tried and =evicted of • conepiracy Atte of things—(laughter)—uot the &bum, not the w=
against the government, ad they were condoled in two but he believed the freedom and happen of = Italy
looms• where he saw axes 40 or 60 very fine young men, be best promoted by the resteratioo of the different loch,
=reed in &untie; scarlet and green clothing, es * badge pendent states, and that he should WOO see the
of iihierace, and with their once powerful arms chaired to rope restaged to his dominions. Be armored that
their less. These men were deserters from the army of Providence watched over the preservation of the Pope's
Victor Emmanuel, and they bad listened to the voice of that temporal power, which hod guided when the ancestors
brave and honest man, Garibaldi. Now, however much of the people of this oesetry were painted garages.
be would brand men for bruising their oaths, Mr. ONSLOW said he bad lived MI yam in Italy, sad
yet these were men who bad linseed to the voice of Geri- he wee mach surprised to hear the speech of the hon. gentle.'
hahlt, had bees disbanded, mid if therefore there ever was man who had just deemed them. From his =parka= of
• man who should have tempered justice with mercy, it was that country be was ambled to say that it presented eon •
Victor }lmmune/. (Lead akin of "Hear. hear.") In we aka imProaleaset eo wait it was feinerle. Bs benored
amen miserable oell, with a don floor and with iron bed. that the Pope wee • oases to Italy, end. from haying Wald
steads. without • table aod without a book to cheer them, with an classes of people in Italy, he wee enabled to say with
wire four moo chained two and two with the heaviest irons. perfect 000lidenee that what the Italians desired most Of
He recopied Count Christen and Sip= Garsockdo, an the be be liberated from the &whin ef the piles. He