The Express.
London, England, 1863-05-16 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY INEigN(I, MAY 16, 1863.

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HOUSE OF COMMONS. irx MAY 15.
The firrAus took the chair at four o'clock.
OUR RELATIONS WITH BRAZIL
U. POLLARD-URQLTH ART gave notice that on Mom*
next he would sat a qualities' respecting the state of our
diplomatic relations with Brazil.
THE RIVER SHANNON.

Colonel FRENtrllaskedthe Secretary to the Trearary
when Mr. Bsternan's report on the Shannon was to be laid
upon the table of the boosts
Mr. PEEL said that the report had been received, and
would be lard on the table in a few days.

out that upon our foreign poliey—according as that policy bad I
been unobtrusive and conciliatory or otherwise—the burdens •
of the people mainly depended. They rose and fell according • ,
to our foreign policy, and the result was that the public mind , I
had reached • jester appreciation than formerly of the
principled which ought to guide our conduct with foreign
nations. What wee the principle professed by the govern-
ment, and which had received the solemn approval of the
country! It was non-interference with the affairs of foreign
countries as far as that was passible. Thin was the prin- '
ciple which was sternly and steadily pursued in ony rely ,
trona with America during the whole course of the pre-
sent unhappy contest, and they bad done it in
spite of the appeal that would probably have
bees addressed to the house by the starving
millions of Lancashire and in spite of no small amount of
provocation. But what was the policy we were pursuing in ,
China ? It was of a totally different character. It was a '
policy of active interference in the internal affairs of a
friendly state. And what were the means by which we were
carrying that policy out ? By force of arms we were endea-
vouring to prop up a weak and corrupt government against
the efforts of its own subjects, who were beat upon sub-
verting that government ; and this we were doing on WWI :
of the government, which we had done more than any other
nation upon earth to weaken and degrade in the eyes of its
own subjects. That was a policy difficult to conceive, and .
more difficult to explain. The noble lord (Lord Palmerston) ,
said the other night, " It is not fitting for one nation to inter.
fen in the internal affairs of another." He wished now, with
deference and respect to the noble viscount, to ask him to ex-
plain how he reconciled the expression of that opinion with •
the policy he was now pursuing in China. During the
existence of the East India Company our trade with China
went on most harmoniously. bat since the a:pasties of the
charter there had been nothing but a eeriest)! complicatioos.
With respect to the armaments which we now maintained
in China, he might be told that they were necessary,
seeing that so mach of the Chinese revenue
was hypothecated to ourselves; and he knew it was
said that the British tax-payer was practically re
for all his expenditure. But what said the Sham.
Chamber of Commerce? Why, that the Chinese govern-
ment indemnified themselves for the customs by charging
heavy inland duties on the goods coming down, and the re-
sult was that the price of silk and every other article of ex-
was proportionately enhanced to the foreign merchant.
Wear.) However, in any cam he should like to compare the
amount of Chinese revenue received with the cost of the
armament. Why, our troops in China cost at least 300000/.
a year, and the navy about the name amount. (Hear, hear.)
Thu British officers and men in the service of the Emperor
of China wore the British naval uniform, with the excep-
tion of the crown, and the admiral of the auxiliary
squadron was much better paid than the British admiral on
the Chine station. He feared that the presence of this
squadron would tend to serious complications, but he should
not dwell on that part of the subject. He should merely
ash why was the Foreign Enlistment Act, which was so
vigorously enforced in other cases, completely aueptrodsd in
favour of the Emperor of China? (Hear, hoar.) He oould not
answer these questions—perhaps her Majesty's government
scald. In °occlusion the boo. member asked the Home of
Commons seriously to consider the probable effects of our
policy in China, which he believed would be to embarram
our trade, and to inflict permanent and heavy heathens on
this country. He moved for all further oorreepoodeoce
relating to Chios beyond that which was already on the
table of the house.
Mr. BAILEY was not surprised that the boo. member
for Northumberland had thought it his duty to bring this
question before the house, and said that oar present policy in
China was ousting the country a million a year, and it was
the duty of the house to amertale, if possible, what was to
be the end, and what were the ultimate viewsand objects of
her Majesty's government. At a time when their attention
had been drawn toe remarkable document in which it was ex-
plained how the government of this oonntry,entangled by the
French alliance, was dragged into the war with Raman, it
was especially their duty to take cam, having the same
government still in office, that they did not permit the
country to be drawn into a war in China, the ultimate cost
of which it was utterly impossible to forme. It
was remarkable that the noble earl, the Foreigu
Secretary, the great champion of nationalities, should
he now engaged, in conjunction with France, in
endeavouring to prop up the Tartar government contrary to
what appeared to be the wishes of the great body of the
people of China. (Hear, hear.)
The amendment was then negatived.
poOn the qumtion " That Ido now leave the chair," being
bhe Bream,
Mr OOBDEN said he did not know that in the whole
coarse of hie experieme is that house he bad encountered
such a proceeding as they had just wit:mese& (Hear, hear.)
Arbon. member opposite brought forward • most important
question to which he had devoted considerable labour, and
which be had stated to the hones with considerable ability.
(Hear.) Undoubtedly there were other boo. gentlemen
who would have been prepared to have taken part in the
diecuasion which was naturally expected to arise. After
the speech of the ban. member bad been followed by the
speech of the hon. member for Laverne', it was naturally to
be expected that some answer would be given by the hon.
gentleman representing the Foreign Secretory. He thought
that not merely routine, but common Teemed for the hon.
gentleman who bed spoken, and for the house, ought to
have led the Under Secretary to have made some
reply to the very important statement of facts which bad
been brought before them. (Hear, bear.) He 000sidered
that the question as affecting our relations with China,
whether viewed with relation to our commerce, viewed as
a great political question, or viewed with reference to the
interests of the great mass of the people of this country.
was the most grave and perilous that could be brought
before the home. He believed that the forms of the house
would not then allow the dimension to go on, and he could
only repeat his extreme astonishment at the course taken by
the government
Mr. H. SEYMOUR did not think bon. members would
be doing their duty to their constituents unless they in.
sited upon a diClaration from the government with respect
to the policy they intended to pursue, and sought another
nay of expressing their sentiments upon the subject
opportunity
concurred uto the unprecedented charac-
ter of the occurrence, and expressed au opinion that, if the
government chins to conduct its business in this way, totally
disregarding the ordinary tonne and courtesies of the house,
hon. members might on any night be deprived of the impor-
ter:titres of discussion which they bad a right to look forward
to. The Under Secretary of State and the noble lord at the
head of the goi aliment wore both in their places during the
speeches introducing the discussion, and he was surprised to
for the subject treated in that cavalier manner. He should
take the earliest opportunity of again calling the attention
of the house to the subject, and the government could not
complain if h
ear.)e interposed on • night of supply for the pur-
p.
Mr. WHITE thought that when so small an interest bad
been taken in the matter, when not more than tea or • dozen
members could be found to hetes to one of the most im-
portant questions that could be addressed to it, it was not
surprising that the debate bad collapsed. Personally he
deplored very much that the government had not replied
to the statements which had been made. He had been
prepared himself, after beaming what the members of the
government had to say, to have expressed him opinion on
the subject, but when such apathy was shown on the part
of the boom, he did not think they ought to visit with a
' were measure of wrath the conduct of the government.
Mr. LAYARD said if the member for Poole (Mr. H.
' Seymour) had looked at the papers, he would have seen
that b the roles of the house he was linable to speak. or
that the had be would have precluded himself from
' replyiug to the four other questions on foreign affairs
' which were put down on the motion for going into Supply,
' mooed which was one by the hon. sod gallant member
for Aberdeen (Colonel Sykes), also relating to Chine. If
the bon. member for Rochdale took so deep an interest in
the question, it was surprising that he did Dot rise to ma-
tame the debate. He (Mr. Layard) was perfectly prepared
to enter into the question ; he had taken notes during the
speech of the hon. member who brought forward the sub-
ject, end he thought it most unfair to blame the government
in any way trtheciritte!„

Mr S. 'FITZGERALD observed that the hon. gentle-
man wee in WM. As each generate question was put on
going into supply, ft was perfectly competent to the bon.
gentleman to ore his views to the house. He was glad
that it was owing to the misapprehension of the boo. gen-
tleman that the mistake had occurred, and that it was not
owing, as it certainly seemed, to any contempt for the
feelings and opinions of hon. members.
Colonel SYKES said if the Ceder Secretary had looked
at the paper he must have seen that the motion of the hon.
member for Northumberland included the papers for which
he was about to ask. As an independent supporter of the
government, whenever his conscience would permit him,
he could not but regret that the course which bad been
adopted on the present occasion would affect their re-
potation with the oonntry at large.
Sir H. VEBNEY said he believed the practice of the
house had been, when certain subjects were brought before
it, for the ministers to reply to the whole afterwards. He I
had listened to the speech of the hon. gentleman opposite
(Mr. Liddell) with attention, and was much struck with the
Fmussed fairness with which he bad treated the sub-
From • study of the Blue-book, however, and from
otrmation be had received from other sources, be believed
the action of our government had been taken merely for the
purpose of protecting our fellow-ounotryrnen and their pro-
perty in China. Although much was done by the Chinese
government which no one could approve of, it was as no.
thing to the atrocities of the Taepinp. These latter swanned
ever the land like • cloud of locusta, destroying
lumen life and the micas of livelihood in one province,
and then marls( to another. He thought the conduct of
bet llfajectes government with retard to China had been
marked lab ea much moderation sa could have been
expected, considering the position in which the latter
awn war.
The then went into committee of supply, pro fern*
and UN chairmen immediately reported progress. The
house tbso ittersoied.

THAYIBI EsaiMBANKMENT ORM SIDE) BILL.
Wm bill, as setled, was
LONDON COAL AND WitIADUTIEB CONTINUANCE

This bill was peed a third timeand_peamd.
SALE OF MILL BI
BALE (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read a third tine sad Farad.
The Statute Labour Roads sad Braises Method) Bill
aid the Statute littaner Roads and Brid4as meadieg)
Transfer NHL west through ecaunittee pro forma,
FISHERIES (IRELAND) BILL.
Sir R. PEEL obtaised bare to Ming inn bill to alma
the laws ralanag to liabildell baud.
The beam them slimmed at a quarter past 8 o'cLxda.

FROM 1.42.7 NTGHTS GAZETTE.

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RIPHA Rn Mitre, Windhamktreet, Keatlsh.town, late grocer,
to surrender June 2, at 12.
EJCHARD ItiaARY BRIICEMA, Lower Norwood, hop merchant,
Jane 2, at 11.
JOON JEFFRIES, Somersetktreet, Portmaukquare, late licensed
victualler, June 2, at 12.
GEORGE HAT, Jun., Abbey-street, Betlinal-green-road, cabinet
maker, June 2, at 12.
JOHN BADEE, Mildmayktreet, Stoke Newington, timber mer-
chant, June 2, at 14.
ED% AHD FIELD, Borehamwood, Herta, baker, June 2, at 14
JAMES UNIACILL POWNIR, Queenstreet, lirompten, June 2, at 11.
TROMAS HAYWOOD, Harnerton, grocer, June t, at 11.
HUOM FIELD, Chapelktreet, Somers-town, dealer in sarthenware,
June 2, at 11.
RICHARD Clanceaum, Strand, tobacconist, June 2, at 11.
J AMU PUO2I, Lower Norwood, commission agent, June 2, at 12.
THOMAS Absurr, llomerton, clerk in the Probate Court, May 28,
MIL
Herat DANIELS, Clark's place, Bagnigge-wells-road, carpenter,
May 28. at I.
THOMAS TROPISMS! HODOYM, Alderahott, lieutenant in the army,
May 18, at 12.
TriozAeliittalet Damintry,Northamptonsh.,lnnkeeper,May2B,ati. '
JONITHOMASSITOWELA.,OIoucester-grove,OldSrompton,Junel,atl.
EDWARD EDWARD!, Devonshirektreet, Upper Kennington-lane,
cab driver. May 28, at 2.
WILLLAN OFEORD, Leyton, Essex, gardener, May 28, at 1.
Joel BALLADE, Roman-road, Holloway, builder, May 28, at 2.
JAR'S WOODFuItD, Croydon, watchmaker's assistant, J une 1, at 1.
{rattan Bless, New Church-street, Bermondsey, assistant to a
leather dresser, June 2, at 11.
Ezdzanrrn EDWARD!, Seymour-place, Bryanstone-square, widow,
June '2, at 1.
Mamas' HENRY BOIT, New Peter-street, Westminster, car-
penter. June; at 1.
WILLIAM BOSCH PoWte, Bute street, Old Brompton, working
upholsterer, Juno 1, at 11.
JAMBS CHEESE, Mokenchurch, Ozon, surgeon, June 2, at 1.
GEORGE TAYLOR BROWN, Hackney Wick, accountant. June 2, at 1.
WILLIAM CLeArlielt GORDON, Marlton, Kent, deputy sasistant
superintendent of storm at Woolwich Arsenal, June 2, at 11.
WILLIAM 01101011 EDWARDS, Cantelowes-road, Camden-town,
picture dealer, June 8, at 11.
Pitammiem Groans BRAUN', Wharton-street, Pentonville, corra-
-1 mission agent, June 8, at It.
EDWARD CARrEarralt THOMAS, Chipping Wycombe, Buckingham-
shire, shoemaker. June 1, at 2.
ALFRED EVERIS7, Northfieet, Kent, carpenter, June 8, at 11.
limy MALLEY% Jun., Field Dolling and Blakeney, Norfolk,
grocer, Jape 1, at 2.
FREDERICK BOLLS:DOH Croydon, late timber dealer, June 1, at 1.
Jong BALDRIY, Jun-, Nmerieh, tnaiterer, Jnne 1, at 2.
ILINDY ALFRED JOBS HORNPECIL, Charlottektreet, Fitzroy-
square, diamond setter, June 1, at 2.
Jostaii PARR, Minos, Staffordshire. grocer, May 27, at 12.
HEMET W MYER COGILR, Walsall, Staifordsh., jewefter,May27,at it
JAM= PHILLIPS PINK, Birmingham, draper, May 6, at It
WILLIAM BArAoli P 001,,, Kenilworth, scrivener, June /0, at It
WILLIAM FLOWN", Bushell. Staffordsh., corn dealer,May 27, &tit
Joint WILLIAM Roma Birmingham, tailors May 27, at It
Malay SIDDIGIS ORLEY, Wellington, Shropshire, glass MeV.
chant, May 29, at 12.
CluxitsWlLX66oN,Duclie yWorcesterah.,Mctnaller,Mm4tatl2.
THOMAS FMK; Heanor, Derbyshire, lace maker, May MS, at 11.
MILLI GAIMILL, Cardiff, innkeeper, May et at 11.
JOHN TrITERy DAVIT, Brizham, Devonshire, rope maker,
May 27. at 11.
HENRT TAYLOR, Westleigh, Devonshire, farmer, May 27, at it.
RicHAILD RDBIALta, Ilayle, Cornwall, botcher, June 9, at 1.
HENRY MO Plymouth, jeweller, May 30, at 10.
MUMS Sims, Bteston, Yorkshire, innkeeper, May 28, at 11.
Joint Carta% Halifax, Yorkshire, cotton warp manufacturer,
May 22, at 11.
JAMES Carasatteeds and Eirkstall,Yorlah.,draper,Mariti,a, 11.
JOHN ENOLASD, Ueda, carrier, June 1, at 11.
WILLIAx Borns Broomhall, Cheshire, farmer, May 16, at 12.
ALFRED Lrdan, Birkenhead, scrivener, Ma y 28, at 11.
THOMAS HODEINSON, Over, Cheshire, schoolmaster, May 28, at 11.
THOMAS BRADAMAW, Lancaster, seedanan, June 2, at 11.
Hu RT TA7LOX,. St; Peter the Great, Worcestershire, china

painter, May 26, at 11.
GLOIng LATTEItIti, Beeford, Yorkshire, labourer, May 20, at 11.
8•111011. HALL CIILLZr, Exeter, accountant. May 26, at 10.
JANIB Bin Cambonw, Cornwall, cordwalner, May 27, at 10.
JOILA ROBINSON, Murton.upon.Trent, cmerarnith, June 16 it 1.
Taoxfs 'THOMAS, Llandovery, Carmarthenahire, licensed vic-

—tardrer,
Join POWELL, Little Dawley, Shropshire, collier, Jane 13, et Iff
Cumuli Witmass, Shrewsbury, painter, June 8, at 10.
MMES HIDOCOCK, Plintlngton, Sussex. blacksmith, May 27, at 12.
111011ARD WORRALL, Kingswinford, Staffordshire, lioensed 'de-
tainer, June 1, at 10.
llamas THOMPSON. Portoea, Hants, late clothier, May 25, at 11.
ALFRED HEATH, Landport, Dante, whitesmith May 25, at 11.
THROPHILDS FLOWER, Welb, dissenting minister, May 35. at 12.
JANIS BRUNT, Hanley, Staffordshire, collier, May 30, at 12.
WILLIAM cArsair,frktol,corn merchant's foreman. May 21at 12.
JOSEPH D.AIeOM, Hollingten, Sussex, baker, May 28, at 12.
EDWARD HtGoLisro.l. Hereford, stonemason, June 2, at 10.
Pats TURNER, Ifilasbridge, Yorkshire, gas fitter, May 28. at 10.
Clmitoe VAAEAN, Cliestliorpe, Leicestersh., baker, May 17, ats
eWILIJAN ANDICRION, Southampton, stationer, June 10, at 11.
Pligngkifg ENO, Shirley, Hants, horse dealer, June 10, at 1.
Hilt la SAUNDERS, Duiverton, Sornersetahin, tailor, May BS, at 11.
JOHN BREIDON, Lowdham, Notts, carrier, May 27, at 11.
JOBS TIMMS, Ashfield, Notts, publican, May IL at 11.
• Ba arc gt. EDWAID MADDocc. Nottingham.laoe maker, Mayttat 11.
Oman Omutam Lowdbam, Notts, cottager, May 27, M
WILLIAM NAT, jun., Nottingham, bricklayer, May 17, at 11.
JOHN TUT? HARRIS, Brighton, general dealer, June I, at 11.
FRANCis WARDEN DICE, Brighton,veterinary surgeon,Mayllo,MlL
WALTER WILLIISOW, Aslungton, Susie:, plumber, May RE RAIL
Joint TowysKaa, Lenten, Cambridgeshire, rope maker, May

no, at io.
TwitAs C 00736 HANDS, Brackley,

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carpenter. May 26, at 4.
Macao! Vnum, Cliffe ➢lumber. May 20, at 10.

ir2tFti fieidil3o7l7l‘l27. :Bel7sp,crapelsiir.,JDiee VD, at 12.
AIZRID EDWARDII, Trowbridge, Wilts, grocer, May 22, et 11.

Mines, and W. Hoiden. Bradand, Yorkshire, wool dealers-- •
H. Ashworth, J. Percival, and L Ashworth, Manchester, picker
hide manufacturers, so for as rods H. Ashworth—W. Dud-
geon, T. !Arrester, and R. Oaßtday Otley, Yorkshire. joiners—
L Marotta, jun., and I. idoostts, Jun., Fowit's-buildlugs, Groot
Toworetrost, indigo brokers—O. S. Yarnell and W. isulkner,
Manchester. auctioneers—J. L Dooley, T. Dooley, and
W. H. Dooley, Stockport, Mess founders-8. Woodhead, J.
Leagbottom, and J. Waterhooae, Leeds, engineers. so fir as
regards J. Waterhouse—W. Bacon, J. Bacon, and B.
R. Bacon, Cambridge, tobacconists, so far as regards
B. R. Bacon—John Davies and Jaws Davis,, Condover,
Salop, rope makers—J. L Oyde and H. L Oyde, Binning-
hem, factors—T. Hutchinson and T. Hugo, Liverpool. ship
store merchants—O. Batt, J. F. Nutley, and C.Sllverlock, Strand,
seedsmen, so far as regards G. Batt—Zara Cockroft, Elijah
Cockroft, and J. Holdsworth, Bradford, Yorkshire, stuff manu-
facturers, so far as regards 3. Holdsworth—A. Lorton and G.
Middleton, Milmommews, ILllman.strect, soap makers—T. Lee,
C. Pearson, Sarah Bourne, sm., widow, and Sarah Bourne. jun.,
widow, Bishops Cleave. Gloucestershire, &grit-WWII/to—E.
Wright and T. Toovey, Mark-bane, City, corn factors—W. V.
Wilson and A. E. Fletcher, Jubilee-street, Mile-end, and Lea-
denhalLstrist, colour manufacturers—W. Jame. and J. Costing,
Birmingham), builders—J. Wilson, J. Senior, J. Taylor, and A.
Preston, Earisheaton, near Dewsbury. Yorkshire, scribblers, so
tar as regards J. Taylor—H. Harris and B. Harris, Birmingham,
jewellers—B. Gibbs and B. 0. Comfort, Grange-walk, Bermond-
rer —E. M. Prynne and H. Harden, Bt. Jut, Bt. Anthony, (W-
-eans, and Philleigh, Cornwall, surgeons—W. Taylor and G. De
vies, Leadenhall.street, patent account book manufacturers—
. Cross, T. Cross, and L. Doris, Ely, Glamorganahire, brewers
—J. Senior and R. Senior, Eorhheaton, near Dewsbury, blanket
manufacturers..
800TCH 3.IKIII9TTRATIONS.
Jong CADDO, Loudmouth, W.ginshire, stdpbitikler, Miry 22, at
the Gordon Arms Hotel, Elgin.
Jana Wanow, Cramond, farmer, May 19, at the Royal British
Hotel, Edinburgh.
Jams lux and JAN 33 877V1N, Leduun, near Forfar,
.bnilden,
May 19, at Morrison's County and Comsarclal Hotel,
Forfar.
JAN 39 Horn, Glasgow, soap raannfaetarar, May 5), at the Fa-
culty Hall, Glasgow