The Express.
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THE EXPRESS, . TUESDAY - EVENING, JANUARY 30,r 1855.

mode to say Wee se assist smashes, by whom the 1 It was aot he him to defend the Duo et Jenne f be
Moan el nemeigedm mil* be milidismeed. eM beads 1 they bed bad the emcee ef tho elk !cob panted by
lli*U4—beden mime, pelt
hoterspelliail ealeasla, elle , his mileages' ia terms winch were me denbe still fresh is
isemmees, ealgbe be bit by themeless, in seder , the ears sad the of the ease. He (Kr. Disraeli)
to produce a medal eiscessiest. Bet I will sot expose ' did not subscribe to the estate of thaw, • ; homily
the ease to such • risk. It is in • committee of the referred to them as
oar . ustlantie quarter, sad
when hose doe we ea have • fair ease, because, therefore esastitutiag a or which at least deserved!
affiffifififafTo ww ele eusise oral evidence at the bor." lineation. Been the noble dub el elegem who yet re.
I Ihuollaresabult, sir, to this hese, that if they think the maimed, had deserted him as
a little denting it energy
dame b NM Ides it is nelleelisty =
as as sod to the pre- and serieeeis. So far, howe Tim twat wishing fo sondes
there and be so ty to the choice this deL in ea saki, spiri'.. be (the right hon. geetlemaa)
* nein for that purpose. The government felt bead to say, that though he could Rot but
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Slaw- a week in office without enbutitting_to you ascribe te the mal-adralaistraties of his depareet
nem= epee for the service of the emetry. Why do many of them dissrAgea, the *swam of which
pea iota Mel them in the way that the constitution points no one geld deity sad tow palliate, still be was by no
Mel One you give me an example, in the whole of your moms eertaht that te,ge. was any other member of the
Way, of a time when the Hones of Commas has thought tablet who, pined la the same *Mance, might tot have
it uuusby of itself to put a period by means of a character carried oa affairs 'A 1.1 equally umensfactory manner.
se sad so tending to deceive sad &led, the (Hear, tear.) T.be Dale of Newcastle was not the
osealey ? .) Sir, I venture to say, in conclusion, you any mislay, wl•.o, la the administration of his office, se far
nay drubs us et the character of ministers, bat we shall re- as that was coarsened, was entitled to the soda of parka-
main emillemliMparliantentoiadoe eraben of parliament, meat. (Hear, boar.) There was another Secretary of
we have • itellieset interest with you in the character and State who, from the nine of Ws eine, was muck cm-
dignity ef ffile Seen of C 01115061. (Hear, hear.) Now, earned is the eoudiset of the war—he referred to the sable
sir, what to tie anadation of that character and ot that lord, the Homo Seeretary, whose energy and et-
dimity i Yee ewer is a titian/ power, bet it is gigantic perhaps were the rely eampreation for the die-
ts* munnedella prudence, on account of the east of jug- asters we had ezperieseed, and for the salami.
See sad or poopristy. with which you are commonly cot- ties which the Dion of Newcastle had seed.
Mt to wield it. (Hear, hear.) Rely upon it that the That noble lord had the militia entirely under his mtherin- I
House of Commons of this free country can no more afford teatimes; sad is February last he gave notice that he
to disregard the rules which former prudence has certainly would ask leave to bring in bills foe the establishment dui
laid down, to stoop to the use of indirect means, to delude Irish sad Scotch militia. There was not the slighteet
the country with promises which it doe not mean to fulfil, oppoeitioa to a meaning so wise, se important, and so ingest.
than can any other body, however inferior. It is as need- February paused away. Oa the 28th of March war was de-
test for the House of Commons, as it is for any elared—and it might be supposed that a iniaister who had
body in this country. I would say it is more declared the militia to be the only sere basis of • reserve in
needful for it, to remain within the lines marked this country, would thee, se leenr, lave Not no time in
out for it by prudence, if it wishes to eon- bringing in the bells. bide car. hem withal Midsummer-
tines on that proud maiming to which the Moan night that he predweeillit two bele which be had promised
of these who ha.. preceded us have raised it. in February. (Hem bee) Suppe the Duke of New-
(Hear, hear.) If this motion is passed, no doubt it may castle bad done is, would It nee bare bees blazoned Is
brieg great relief to the members of the administrati.n ; the catalogue of hie solimisistelestise? (Cheers.)
bet it will impose upon you a sorrespondieg responsibility. And yet this was the Millen wbeee administration we
You may not feel it. I see hare many who have had but a such • pongee of adrcbass and vigour, sad who was the
short experience in this house, and who are called upon to only asthat could make up fee the lasiessf his colleague.
vote on a great guano!' without, perhaps, having had the (Cheers) He (Mr. Disraeli) did to &elm that the Duke
mesas of folly weighing all that it involves. For my own of Newcastle was unequal to him Wise; sad all his col-
leen, I will simple my that I am satisfied that, whatever lessues,save the, right hos. weathers who had last spoken,
geveraseest may arias out of the ashes of that which is, had admitted that sack was the feet. Bet plowed se the
perhaps, about to fall, it will be the duty of every patriotic nob duke had been in • new ogles, whisk involved the
einem to render it every support that is compatible with • most laborious duties, surely at a period of such crisis and
sense of duty. (Cheers.) And, further, with respect to difficulty, it peculiarly became the duty of his colleagues
those who are about to vote for the mottos, I say to have sustained hint with their counsel and sun-
it will be their duty—the duty of the men, *paths. Least of all was It booming in them,
the duty of the party, be they who they may, if they shall when the noble duke soak beneath the difficulty
be called upon to assist it filling the vacuum which they of his position, to rise in the Hone of Comment, to decry
will have helped to create. I mean by adopting the motion his abilities, and to denounce his administration. (Cheers )
it will be their duty, I say, tot to shrink from the task. The house need not be reminded that the name of the noble
But, whither the case shall be oo or not, I earnestly hope duke was not a popular one ea that side. The noble duke,
that this hone, it the vote which it is about to give, will as • public man, bad ben bees •sad bred on the conserve-
recollect its responsibility to the country, and would well tire benches. (A laugh.) He had owed his sower to that
consider the proceeding which it is about to adopt. For my party, and, is their opinion, he had conducted himself to.
own part, I believe that mode of proceeding to he worse wards them with an acerbity that, is his present forlorn
thee ueelms, as far as regards the army in the Crimea. condition, they could afford to forget. (Laughter.) But he
(Hear, bear.) Your inquiry will
real inquiry. If it did, it would lead to nothing bet con- the blame of public disasters upon the maladminister
fusion, paralysis, increased disaster, shame at home, weak- don of an individual or the faults of • system.
nee abroad. (Hear, hear.) It would carry no con (Hear, Lear.) Whatever might be the faults of that
Gelation to those whom you seek to aid—it would system, when worked by &We men it had accomplished
carry malignant joy to the hearts of the enemies great things. (Cheers.) He believed that the calamities
of England. (Cheery.) And for my part, I shall ever re they all deplored had been brought about rather by an erre
joke, if this measure is carried, that my last words as a norms policy, hot which the sable; sad not a solitary
member of the government of Lord Abordeeo were words minister, tousteertaisly helm* sengeoeible. (Hear.) The
of solemn and earnest protest against • proceeding which designs of the government had bee busily mmeaceived, and
bee no foundation either in the constitution or in the pree- bad been attempted to is ambit
wemtlatisadequate means
tic, and proceedings of parliament ; which is unless and They had shown theengheiall conception and
mischievous for the purpose that it appears to contemplate, nmeagement of their *Amos wesat et braise' of firmness,
and which is, in my judgment, full of danger to the power, of depth, and of all thole eseenress which it became a go-
the dignity, sod the usefulnessuf the Commons of England. sernoieot to exhibit that hod slabs, ked is an enterprise of
(Loud cheers.) each vast moment. (Chem) The Chantallor of the En-
Mr. DISRAELI said the remarkable admission which chequer bad very often referee the ease of Waleberen.
It had been pointedly sad by a very able man that the
Ind Men made from first to last had rendered it anoints.
government of that day were eo ignorant that they enders
thry for him to hiding' in that now proems which rtes right toured by a coup do mails to take one of the strongest for-
honourable baronet had been reminded of by the tresses in Europe, and they foes& when about to mom
honourable baronet on that (the opposition) side of plhh their project, that the foresee was fortified far Wee
strangle than they believed. Now they had only to substi-
the house. The debate was commenced by a gen-
tete &Seaton! for Antwerp, and they would have the his-
denies to whom they always listened with attention red
tory of this expedition. But it was held to be 111 grave
Toped; and when so accomplished an orator suddenly injta,,,,doef then in a ministry to have undertaken the
ceased to address the house it might almost have been sup- siege of such a strong fortress w thout having previously
posed at first that it was an artifice of rhetoric at once to obtained ample and accurate information of its means of
move the resolutions before the house. For if ever there defence. (Hear, bear.) They bad learned from tM
of .. . interest government that they were surprised at the resistances
was • resolution on a great question nationas which had been offered by the place before which our ar-
submitted to the House of Commons which required no ar- min by their direction had set down ; and then they said
patents to support it, no arts of oratory to recommend it, that the whole of the disasters which had occurred were Is
it wu that which was proposed on Friday last. Before the he accounted for by the maladministration of • department,
instead of being the result of their own unstatesmanthlue
bon. and learned member roes, in punuane of his notice, conduct. (Hear, her.) The Secretary for the Celeillime
to bring forward that resolutioe, a noble lord, who who, when be succeeded to the goverement some minehe
bad been within a few hours the chief minister of ago, charged the opposition with not bringing forward •vete
the crown is that hone, made an important public of want of confidence, had retuned the other night to the
same prostitution of political rhetoric. He (Mr. Disraeli) was
declaration, which, in his opinion, rendered the
not ashamed to ay that they had offered a timid oppo-
stop taken by the boo. and 1 d member not mien to the government, sec because they were afraid
only justifiable, but inevitable ; and it might have been of the consequences of their opposition, but because they
thought imporsible after that declaration that any hoe. were timid in consequence of the unparalleled &Alevines
member would feel justified in opposing the motion. The which they found accumulating over the country. (Hear,
Chancellor of the Exchequer, in referring to the Wishbone bear.) They did consider that if this country was involved
inquiry, had remarked that tiers were points of differences in s war, whatever might have bees the impolicy which
of the utmost importance between the two cases. On that bad led to it, it was their duty cordially to support the
point he entirelyisgreed with the right hon. gentleman. In government in carrying on that war with vigour and
the nee of the Walchenn expedition no minister of the amp. (Cheers.) They had only resisted one measure
crown came forward and said that the state of affairs, in his proposed proposed by the government, and that was one which had
judgment, demanded inquiry—(bear, hear, from the Oppo- been universally condemoed by the public; but notwith-
sitioa)—that, with all the advantages of his official peanut, standing all the support they bad given to the administra.
and of his accumulated parliamentary expansion, there was tion it had brought down such disasters upon them that
in that state of affairs smoothing unexplainable to him. the arms of the country bads been placed till that ma
(Hear, hear.) Instead of that, they had the first minister ment in eiv perilous and calamitous a position. (Loud
of the crown urging the inexpediency of the course which
cheers.) The Chancellor of the Exchequer had spoken of
was proposed. Now, instead of piussieg she right bon.
the confidence which had subsisted between his colleagues;
gentleman's parallel, let them take the broad and common
hut the house mug have listened with tender surprise to
sense view of the question, se the people of this country the revelation. It seemed that until within twenty.four
had some tinse adopted. It was not denied that our gallant hours before eke
noble lord made his statement his col.
army had almost perished in a distant country to which it "'"
leagues were not aware. of the sentiments of the late
was sent. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that the
leader of the house. He (Mr. Disraeli) had listened to that
amount of the loss had been exaggerated; that what IW&S
speech of the noble lord—and be wss sure that such was
sent oat was en army of 64,000 or 66,000 men, and that
p.
,th.e.arf.eelingof the vast majority—with amazement.
them wore 30,000 still. Why, even the alleged ensconce hear.) When he heard that speech it
ninon on such an interesting question as the amount of loos %"'
seemed to him that he was listening to a page
formed a fair ground of inquiry. The right hon. gentleman from the seemoirsof Bubb Doddingtoo. (Laughter.) Bach
said the Welchem inquiry differed from the present, loss-
an unconscious admission is the 18th century, woald
much as the transaction to which it referred were con. have
have been called profligate intrigue, . bat which, is our
eluded. He totally misconceived, or for the moment forgot,
more mealy-mouthed °entail, must be called .
by a more
the n f the motion. It was not a motion to inquire
..,sonintto phrase. (Cuero.) In his opinion it was not
into the cadet of the war ; it was not a motion which -"e"
to be matched in that record which commemorated the
required them to call before them French and English time when another Doke of Newcastle was a =Mister of
witnesses, persons connected with different countries, and England, when the House of Commons wee led by
owing a different allegiance ; it was a motion to inquire
Sir Thomas Robinson, sad when the oppc sition was
into the rendition of the army before Sebastopol, and who- actually carried on bcr the Paymaster of the Forces
thee that condition bad been occasioned by the maladminis- end by the Secretary at ar. (Hear.)
tration of the departments connected with the war. That
was • simple isme, and it was one which could not be tried Lord J. RUSSELL—I did not intend to have addressed
at the end of the war if the present war should last for the house upon this subject, nor do I now intend entering
several years. If such an Inquiry was ever to take nine, it upon the general question, bat some personal allusions have
could only be at this moment. (Her, hear) Well, thou, been made to an, which I teapot altogether allow to pass
the right boa. gentleman dwelt on the inevitable failure of
silently. I do not mese, however, to enter farther foto
investigations' of this kind, and said that such investigations
were clearly a mockery, when what was intended was con- the question of the differences of opinion between myself
sore upon the government. That was not the opinion of and the Fint Lord of the Treasury, or the foundations of the
Sir Samuel Romilly—• name which he hoped was statement. white hats bean made by the right boa. genus.
still respected by_ the whiff Party who is the man the Chancellor of Use Exchequer. Ido not metro-
debate co the Walcheren expedition observed' that
that doctrine was that a man was condemned by vert the accuracy of any one of the statements; but if I
being put on his trial. So far as be could collect, three were to enter into various details as to the letters which I
main objections had, in the course of debits, been urged in wrote in the beginning of October to the Duke of New-
opposition to the motion. First, there was the objection castle, and the answers which I received from him, and the
that the motion was a censure on the commander of the .
nees respecting my subsequent representations
forces uthe Crimes. Now, if he thought that by any Inge- wean.ta
nuity the language of the motion could he coastrued into a ems that and various other rub sea with regard to the
censure of Lord Raglan or of any general officer in the osadeet of the war, I think I field show that the state.
Crimea, he should be the last man to vote for it. But he moat of my right hon. friend dna not complete the his-
weld not in any way apply to it such en interpretation. tag of tisa transaction. (Hut, hear.) But it appears to
TIM motion referred to the condition of the amn—
ia moral end physical nadition, and the question was moo be far bettert° 167 aide anywed°. of my own eindice"
how be that condition bad been occasioned by the fleas and to ash say fasts which might tend to a
misembeet or the neglect of the government. The second pseudo whisk I thisk very laswavesient, of stating on a
objetalism to this motion was, that it was of an unconstits subsequent ememisa tressestimes whisk have passe between
Lionel eel lassavesient character. On that point he had members of the Cabinet. Aleswasit I have said thus much,
already touched .in adverting to the saes of the Ido not knew that I should have risen for the solo purpose
Walcherea es . He did ant think any lassareeisan of doing so; but I seal ass ft sully pass by a phrase of
would arise hut the oirewastasco of a committee of the the right hon. psalm apposite (Kr. Disraeli), where he
HOlllll of Cesium visitiag the heights of ilebostepol said that the trammel:loss to
obi* I had bun engaged with
(Laughter.) The !u was whether theme shield be Lord Aberdeen weld be ~.adhered in the language
an inqineres the of all army. Sub se lea of the last century as a " wept* Intrigue." (lier,
ho Wined to be perils* eeestitatioaal, and iit hb bear) Now, if the right he.. gentlensea means that in
nes it veld eat be temeausiset. The shied the habits of invective of the last watery a false impu-
was, that the sedoe amovoyod a MOON ape tenon of that nature would have been addressed by one
the gossoment„ et implied a want of anaideaes statesman to another, I have so objection to the phrase;
is the admisistratim In what srvernammat, Its asked, did it but if the right hoe. 'talkie.' means to say that a true
imply • wen of oselimiamos t Was it is the government character would have bees glee to that trausstioa by tbose
that seised sight rad forty hears ego ? The noble lord words, I beg leave most soiy to deny the imputation.
late the AM Moiler of the mows is that house had (Hear, hear.) It has hammed ea IMO thee sae occasion
quittodebet geoemsat. The salsa mild net be • do- that a Prime Minister le hoes eels/ egos so state to sae
dismiss of mot of osalidaeom to the govaransat as it of his colleagues that the ale whisk ha hold might be
=heed with the whim bud as a asenhar of it. Was it such more efficiently held, at the Meet, by sarriber member of
a dooloselbs is Ohs salient as it aro foisted ? Wily, they the seam cabinet. I remember a transeem fa which I
were told, about frau the Tommy beech, tae whatever was not engaged otherwise than as a sears @meter,
might be tho lets of this miles, the rash was to but of which a full history.may «sera. bleat by the
be followed Ves alsordes of all smilloseldesos. right he. gelatinous—l doss the owe of the Hari of
(Laughter.) Mew maid a gresessaat ot to a vote Derby. The elks of Seorsiary for the (kiwis. we *aped
of Seat of roldhomoo whoa I thee iasre.d Itself ia bosh task at that time, whoa a sessWaa of *elm meg-
that it was set worthy of usaideau t (Laughter. shads than thessaacipatioawasesisrdlewrise. It wee
Herd had bees the lot .1 the Moss of Comm, of late then desirable that the Mike of lareary should be
years. °Rashid it bum GAM wools wit its oseadeees NM by a man of the lellestseAthise reaW, sad
in sou with whose primitive is Isil bees seelbelated, the bleats of the isti of (Hook hoar.)
but aorsithabeelmad it loos aid to solo Hs ea& Bari Grey bad no bositaties le slain sonlesisa to
doom when it knew adieu ibe g.muNes are the NNW Lord Guderieh, and Lord Gollsoleit gee way to that essame.
(Rear bar.) The somber. at the 'ablest who bad niceties. Well, I asset hole au that ins deasesiested a
spoke; led mound this goodies. if She& boss aa • attack pro lollop. If it was a palliate intrigue, it must
lima as member of the_goomessase—aa attack he berth kpeolUgate Intriges to get possoseloa of the seals
apes die Debi of Iffirossetio. Hs (Kr. Doom) met of the osisedsl department; but if it was a profligate
pretest spilt cogeasy ualeit obi* singled belga* it we a triamotisa which enabled Lord Derby to
oat sae maim 4 Ladleall=t, sad, wader *a presses lila &mark with tile ability which all adinifed, the plan
of the ahoinistrarisa of his department, /sr the smeliplisa et the Asses.
trttsuitt right bon.
sighed MS • oneemo, from shish bie sellesises wore gasteuese Ye Melba to another —titWid-
▪ sit. (Reis. bear.) Ho had been asked himself, and sham assealloi, sod the madast et Mr. Coining to
imam edeeds eyes apieses the feet wee, would hon •• that Lad theltureall The soden or Dr. Cashing to Lord
he wiresseldeg Os loath. He bad been asked obether Comilmaosti woe par ho au 'swift that Lord
he Wide s "Near maws urn the Duke of Hew= was to the Wakheren expo-
eite OM imeaspisious day ea which the 2illstitmeg state tied ea to :4. Weiser,
se the huies bad hum timid, bet hoard that the mai be tho anu t he leads to
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sessawkat Intricate, sad ray hapressies is that Hr. Ceasing
wee not to blame, but hag ( any yesemblaare to my conduct
to the Duke of Newcar.le. I wrote immediately afterwards,
cm the very neat day to beg that letter might be shown to
the Duke of Newesertl•—(beer, hear)—and, accordingly, is
the very neat latter I received from the Earl of Aber-
deen, two or three days afterwards, be stated that
both the Duke of Newcastle and the Secretory
at War had been fully Informed of my commu-
nication, sad that both of them stated, as I should
have selected, that they were willing to cement in
any arrangement for the public mercies. Therefore, whe-
ther the arrangement that I proposed was a good one or a
bad one for the publie service, there was no co•osalment
whatever. I sever desired to eoneeal from them—l did not
congeal from them, the opisios that I held. It was a pro-
posal, it might be called is favour. ethers might say it was
for the advantage, but it was to Wpm a very onerous bur-
den on the Secretary of State for the Rome Department. I
have seen so much of the evil consequences of mall sections,
of families acting together, that 1 advisedly, of my own
' part, did not speak to others, sad I so far kept clear of any-
thing like tapir's, that I spoke to Lord Aberdeen aloe,.
It was, as I thought, conducive to the public service ; and
when my right hoc. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer
says that at that time there was no general impression
agaisst the administration of the Duke of Newcastle, I bog
leave to say that that will prove by isbeequient reflection to
have been &reason in favour of the arrangement. If the
chases bad been made at that time it would only have been
said that the Doke of Newcastle, who had only hitherto had
no experience in an office which had attached to it so much
importance at the beginning of the war, had taken another
once of Secretary of State, and that the arrangement was
made fur the public benefit, whereas if soy change had been
made such as that hinted at the other day, it would have
been supposed to have been the effect of public opinion, and
the Duke of Newcastle would have been represented al the
victim of public' opinion. I believe if the arrangement that
I proposed had been fortunately adopted at that time, it
would have been conducive to the public service ;
that it would not have injured the reputation of
the Duke of Newcastle, who mast always be tom-
sidered a man of sound judgment in public Mies,
and well qualified to fill public once, although, as
I stated at the time, I did not think he had an-
tbority sascisut to conduct, in spit* of every obstacle,
the vast operations which the war against Rasais demanned.
I have nothing farther to add. Ido not wish to go beyond
this personal explanation, bat the charge of having beeo
guilty of a profligate intrigue ass one I could not alit
seder. (Cheers.)

Lord PALMERSTON—There is one point in the
speech of the right honourable gentleman oppoaits on
which I hesitate not to szpress my cordial and ea-
tire coneurrenes. The right hon. gentleman has

stated that the motion does not staple out the Duke
elf Bleaseastle, as one member of the *ablest, for special
mademaation, but that the whole cabinet, who are his
millempos up to the present time, are equally responsible
with him for these matters en which his conduct appease
to be attacked, and it is on that principle that we stand to
submit to the judgment of the house. We have stated
that we consider ourselves to be jointly and in commas
responsible. Therefore I disdain, on the part of the gee
vernment, any of that unworthy proceeding which the
right hon. gentleman has imputed to some one, and said, in
the course of this debate, that we had endeavoured to
throw epos one member that which, upon the principle
of the aonatitutioe, ought to be shared by all.
With regard to the Duke of Newcastle, I must in justice
that I think public opinion has done him great Lajas
Ilse, sad I am sure that a jolter estimate will be formed by
posterity of the ability displayed by the noble duke in the
service of his country. Much has been said about coalition
governments. It is • very common opinion that the go.
vernment which now stands here, being formed of persons
who were not always of the same party, retained in itself
the divisions which belonged to its original elements,
and that we were always thinking about the balance of
power and ',reneging ourselves according to the parties
to which we might respectively belong. I can confirm
amply what was stated by my right hon. friend the Chan-
sailor of the Exchequer, that in all the discussions which
have taken place among the members of the government
regarding matters with which as • government we had to
deal, we never thought of the party to which we originally
belonged ,but each man spoke his sentiments of the matter
is hand, and there was no other diversity than that which
would arise between men of the same party who take a
different view, as mast necessarily happen among any
given number of individuals. But I warn gentle-
men against giving eacouragement to what I must call
clamour against coalitions, because I venture to my in the
present state of political parties in this country, you
will be able to carry on a government bat more or less on
the principle o! coalition. (Hear, hear.) We do not deny
that there are circumstances connected with the state and
condition of the army in the Crimea which had been "Mkt-
big, and I may say, to a certain extent, so far as it goes,
had been calamitous and deeply to be deplored. Those
evils, however, had very much arisen from cir-
cumstances in some respects independent of the
control of man ; in other respect*, from that
inexperience which necessarily must be felt among the
incidents of • government who ate called upon after a long
Period of peace, when the different branches of tie military
service have had no practical experience, suddenly to per-
form duties Of the utmost importance in • great and di&
cult military operation. I admit, undoubtedly, that them
is in the domestic distribution of the military depetteeet
much in which improvement is urgently regains' i that
there fe, also, in regard to the arreagemenin of these
branches of the service which had been oinsineled with the
execution of the details of military operations alemed, mush
in which there may be great and material impovement.
But it is hardly to be expected that after so lasso period of
poste when the army has never been in • condition to act
as a body, and when it was impossible io train up the differ-
ent branches of the service so as to be instructed in thous
duties which tbeo must be called on to perform, whim
placed with a great army in operation in the
geld, confusion to a certain degree would not arise.
With regard to many criticisms which have been made on the
Illenduct of the war, I think it is enough to ask you to NS
what foundation they stand upon. We have been told thee
we ought to have gone to Odessa, and passed the win.'"
*me, instead of at Sebastopol. Ton might as well tell on
army that came to invade England, to pass the winter at
Brighton. What would have been the condition of
an English sissy at Odessa, an open and enter-
tified town, while Bosnia had all her military resources'
within reach, and when Sebastopol would have been nap
dered still more difficult to take ? If hon. gentlemen had
called in question the object of the war, the house might{
have justly impugned the policy of government in regards
the operations of the war, and we should have been pe
pared to go into oar defence on that question; but I mon
humbly think that the coarse which has been permed is
likely to lead to • most dangerous and inconvenient prece-
dent for parliamentary preceedinp. We have been told that
that which is now proposed is similar in principle to what took
plus in regard to the Walcheren expedition. Why, over
and over again the difference between the two cases has
been explained. The inquiry into the Walcheren expedi-
tion was matte by the whole house, and not by a delegated
authority up stabs; bat the groat difference consists la
this, that that expedition was over—that the persons to be
examined were here—that it was an inquiry into the COW
duet of government, and not into the conduct of as army
—the latter an inquiry which cannot be eon-
ducted unless you bring home the parties you
wish to examine, or unless you mad a eons.
mittee of safety to control the operations of the army
abroad. The question we have to consider is one of the
most important that has almost ever occupied the attention
of parliament. It is not because it involves the existence
or overthrow of government, but because you are about to
set a precedent, dangerous if you carry it out, and disap-
pointing to the public if you let it drop, and use it
merely as an instrument to overthrew the govern-
ment of the day. If this house thinks that this
government is not worthy of the support of parliament,
if this house wishes to see the government placed in other
hands, the more constitutional course would be to have
affirmed at mice that the government no longer pores.
the confidence of parliament, and that they ought to gulp
Moir power into the hands of the Sovereign. Bea a
loans would have been simple and direct, and, if
mould have led to no inconvenient precedent, would
bees amearrent with the principles of the eesedhatiee,
in mhos with the sentiments of this levie, aid the
wawa it is adopted the better for all polies esaserawl.
Bat I must say that the Walla now puma is owe which
will do no honour to the home if adopted, lad is one which
I thick will not only set • bad example bine, but will be
allisaded with inconvenient results eves Owed. The coun-
try is now engaged ia a great and arduous coatest, and
whatever may be the decision of the house an the pear
meat as it now stands before you, I trust that oar die
as suns may not be aggravated by the overthrow of
the gmarameat and that, whoever may succeed that pe•
Tereineet, we shall not exhibit to Europe the lamentable
spode& of a country iuterrepthig a great national
struggle by mere party squabbles, but that parliament will
take plc from the nation it represents, and, as that
natids is unanimous in its determination that the war shall
be carried on with vigour end energy, es that nation ie
convinced of the justice of the came, sad resolved that
war shall not terminate until all the objects for
which it was undertaken are secured, In the same way, I
trust, that, whatever may be the deeleisa of this night,
when this house shall have settled as to what government it
will give its coofideme, it will thou give-its support to that
goveranseat sod enable it to wry es the weer with deter-
mine:leo, and that we shall not chew to the world that a

sosetiteitiosal goverment is Ices ebbs to conduct
national affair, than governance constituted on a
different principle, and that we shall not degrade
the parliamatary principle by showing that we are not
capsM of savants' the difasulties of • great crisis, end
that a oaths can eery show energy. ontaistessp, sad vigour
when deprived of those constitutional repreeestative forme
which have been the pride, the boast, and the glory of this
eountry.
_Chan )
Mr. KUNTZ mud that if the hoses took the advice of
the noble lord who had just eat down, sad sonsulted
the widest of the people of ibis sountry,
meld at MN to,. oat the t. (Bear, bear Thai hni M. the authority *molds bed the richer
for landllP as so the athetempieta of the war, sad
*meths he thee& they mid hoe se 41Mtelty in ratios
ale ettlit hee. eteeeber he ifisfiald. The eye
etisiboll mu is *A lataras the Iheyle baud to, it to

relieve them from the present administration, which in its
wesknes, had not only sacrificed the blood and treasure of
t►is country but had diagnosed it. (Hear, bear.) He
would only further say to the house in worse that ought
sever to he forgotten, " England expects every man to do
his duty." (Cheers )
Mr. HORSHAM sought a hearing for the purpose of
explaining why he bad hitherto supported the government,
but after several vain attempts he was obliged to resume
his seat.

Mr. T. BUNCOMBE bad one question to ask the hon.
and learned member for Sheffield. The house had been
told that if this inquiry were granted it would form a most
dangerous:precedent, and that the main otject of the motion
was the displacement of the government. Now there could not
be a greater fraud command on the couotry than it the
motion were made with such an object. The question then
he had to ask the hon. and learned member for Sheffield
was—lf the house conceded this inquiry, was it or was it
not his intention to nominate the committee up stairs to let
the people know who the parties were who were really
to bluets in the recent disastrous events. Such
knowledge was due to the house, to the memory of those
who had fallen, and to those labouring classes from whom
We had drawn the rank and file of our army, and who,
MeTWWIST were not represented in that boas'. (Hear.)
He trusted the hon. =ember would let the people know
that his object was not merely to displace the gentlemen en
the Treasury bench, or merely to &heels the political cards,
for if he proposed, or the house agreed to the vote with any
other motive, their decision would only be a sham and a
disgrace to parliament. (Hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK—I shall answer the question as frankly
as it was put. When I framed my motion I certainly In-
tended to carry on the inquiry. I have seen or heard
nothing in the coarse of the debate which has led me to
change my opinion, and if the house will permit me I pro-
mise to carry my motion to its legitimate conclusion.
(Loud cheers.) I hope the house will pardon me if I
attempt to say a few words in reply to the ob-
servations of some of the opponents of my motion.
(Hear, bear.) The objections made to that motion, stripped
of all verbiage, an :—first, it is said that if I carry this motion
I shall paralyse the action of the government, cramp its
departments, and interfere with the command of the army.
Now, let us first consider the first proposition. What
are the circumstances under which this inquiry
is propteed ? Ministers themselves admit the dis-
tress of the army to be heart-reading, while the
house has given the ministry unlimited commend of money.
(Bear, hear.) What is the condition of that army now,
and What has been the conduct of the government ? Para-
lyse them ! Have they not been acting wider one con-
tinued paralysis ? (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) Can they
do worse than they have done, judging of the future
from the post ? Can any resolution carry into the
departments of government a single shade of ignorance,
incapacity or inaptitude more than they have already
exhibited ? (Hear, hear.) The ministers made it a portion
of their defence that they had sent to Balsklava stores
enough fur an army double the number that was encamped
There, and the fkmrrtary-at-War spoke of the distance
being 3,006 miles, adding that the last six made all the diffi-
culty. Shall such an excuse be taken in this country, covered
with its network of railways, and when the greatest exertions
are spoken of as if they were mitten of every day occurrent e?
(The hon. and learned member here paused, apparently in-
disposed.) After a pause he said—The country bad con-
fided the destinies of a great army to the government, and
the ministers have failed in their duty to the country, so
that the latter had no resource but to transfer its confidence
to this house. (Hear, hear.) Are we now to fail
them? (Cheers.) Will it be said that this house re-
fuses inquiry into the disasters of the Crimea be-
cause some constitutional or technical objection interferes ?
' Sir, I implore this house, if they have any regard for them-
selves, if they have any regaid for the opinion of the
people, not to refuse the inquiry to-night. Let them re-
member that for this vote they will be called to account
hereatter. The people of this country will say, An inquiry
was proposed to you—a confession of incompetency was
made to you—you refused that inquiry—you abdl
wed your functions—you then are responsible to us
fur the result. But I hope, air, the house wil
not abdicate its functions. (Cheers.) If inquiry be
requisite at any time, it is requisite now. We are told to
wait till the expedition is over. That is to say, wait until
we have lost our army. (Cheers.) But I say to you,
inquire now, inquire while our army is in jeopardy, but
not yet lost. The whole confidence of the people is now in
whir house. Do not, thed, disappoint the expectations
which they seat upon you. The hon. and learned gentle-
man' who seemed to have spoken these last brief sentences
with extreme difficulty, then sat down.
The hutisa immediately proceeded to a division, of which
the following was the result :

Ayes 3oi
Non

Majority against the goverament
Thus was announced at half.past one, and it evidently
caused a general sensation throughout the home, bat there
was no cheering.
The other orders of the day were then read and passed
proforma.
Mr. B. HERBERT brought up the supplementary army
estimates, and
The house adjourned at 25 minutes to two o'clock.

MR. ROEBUCK'S MOTION.

PAIRS.

FOR •GAINeT
Mr. Mundy Lord Waterpark
Mr. Ker Seysier Mr. Portman
Mr. Christopher Sir H. F. Davies
Sir George Forster Colonel Caulfield
Mr. Napier Serjesnt O'Brien
Mr. Hudson Mr. Wells
Sir Gore Booth Mr. Monsen
Mr. Fuller Mt. Owen Stanley
Mr. George Mr. Vincent Scully
Sir Charles Burrell Sir Charles Lemon
Mr. Renton Mr. Matheson
Mr. Abel Smith Sir James G. ah i m
Sir George Berkeley Sir W. Heatticute
Mr. Cairns Mr. Heneage
Mr. West Sir James Matheson
Lord Naas Lord Cutleresse
Mr. King King Mr. Chaplin
Lord Annesley Mr. Hussey Vivian
Mr. Books Stanhope Mr. John M'Gregor
Mr. Pugh Mr. B.g•hawe
Lord John Manners Mr. F. Dundee
Lord A. Vane Mr. A. Pon•onby
Mr. Townley Parker Mr. Fielden
Mr. Hawkins Mr. J. Vivian
Lord Bernard Mr. O'Flaberty
Colonel Mumma Mr. W. Mt ffatt
Major Mazwell Sir W. Somerville.

DIVISION UPON MR. ROEBUCK'S MOTION.
The following, among other members of the
liberal party, voted with the majority lut even-
ing :—Mesare. T. Alcock, Hon. H. F. Berkeley, W.
Biggs, Alderman Challis, M. Chambers, Sir J. Duke,
Viscount Duncan, T. buncombe, Viscount Ebriogton,
R. Gardner, Viscount Goderich, G. Hadfield, T. E.
Headlam, L. Heyworth, E. Horsmaz, W. Hutt,
Hon. P. !.T. King, A. H. Layard, W. S. Lindsay,
E. Miall, F. Mowatt, G. F. Mute, A. F. Otway,
Sir J. Paxton, A. Follett, Sir T. E. Perry, W.
Sehole-
field,CaptainScobell,Sirl.Shelley,J. A.Smith, Sir J.
Walmaley, E. Warner, W. A. Wilkinson, W.