The Express.
London, England, 1855-01-18 00:00:00

bees istorterieg with the maimei atm of Turkey; bed, tory wherever we ttkulfht It wit • worth WM*
by year adopting the eame pellet pie, yeas g• very fee Is pad the poosiemers went mg Mlllableti7 Mu., to
isstifying is the eyee of the motet the world the mem he prevent me. We Seem( that sot may did Rusts
has adopted. (" Hear, beer," and "Gemmed') I don't not acknowledge our mottoeify m • Judge, het the rest of
like the position we ham empiedibr amber mss eke world did not acknowledge It e argued that if there
deal only with gmentemota, mot with the people. (Cheers.) had bees say substantial cause for ihe fear of the liberty of
We do sot are about Monfort., in • manta when the Harem being menaced by B ' emis tieamis, continental nations
interims.. is inteMed to beadle the people ieterfered would have bees the trot to econtiste against Emit,
with by their ginernmeat. Who iotarfered with • bad whereas Belgium, Prussia, Swedes, Demarthr end duo-
, 'overcommit, as in the ease of the Fremb at Rom, or ries, all expressed it aa their boumdits ditty to maintain •
the Remiss. in Heigary, when • gmeremni templed MOM neutrality. Mistrial, who had bad a very difficult gems
upon the people, and situated to pee he. doves I Thu to ploy, had emerged not to moment herself against the
it is that when we tandem with a manta wo take sides Czar. All this he was saying to llama speech from his friend
(with the gmemeneed against the people. Them may be Me. Bailiff, and he wonted to ask them whether, in Metals
eaSiretiaebe:trforall tillielbuefteljinatiiz.. 1t:,.,-,:irthi,:grwiiel:feesseat dialuelairlist. cobs
tiojoahlw•bessasoanfad
inactipaisci:tneu7d
tth: awoitedwureldhaiteauseetaneipie,whiteusitathereeena
rhmeiseseree
tohrre.peeehmani;
Tarbey—ere we not going to de the mom thing es the contended we were bound under these elemonstances
"row of Rude ? Now, with regard to the Judie of to consider the conditiou of our breve troops, and he con-
this war. Our Aristide, so doubt, is dealiag with the famed that his heart yearned for shoe men, and that
suwloujecteanottaithene
.mitrial
tnatnnhd heLeo:en% metthatest
et aeatanedigetteaflorl
ourthin sykinempathef
jethLee. eickeeThieter;
timuispertanthe'cowilorl thdeale warsPfhowth.it
&whit altlhapartligatheaure thweilire will be be
tnhoadtaffaereseeniore of
elit.ehlaued inglf th.gyovaaerow govermentpermanent
neebieethist Wweb;—cessitsawdtiabS7isgmastagitt after
e of our altos of admialstration in military affairs, they could obtain terms of • fair and howelsratele
peew—
a clear Utast:atm of We total breakdown, of the they would have a great re-possibility spas them, and he
onseecratie system of routes when Matt to any strain was sure that is lees than twelve months they would look
sr Wm, .said not have hoes Elutrated- (" Hear, back with regret to the vote that they might Ale day silo
bear," and cheers) We have the admission of the tc- He them alluded to the thmatemed French invasion two or
presentative of government in the Home of Commons three yeah' ago, when it wit said Louis Napoleon believed
that • peat mistake had been med. ia sending an it to be his fate to avenge Waterloo, and he email not help
•thelaillitaisteseeatarefwtheareerortaoreay.thtreellgaepartinernmenwtowneemiztakietaeknen—,
very long
oneastenregpmeaan,slteaedkising otto talisclarinzsumluoth,themadacryy wiltrh
.
army to the Crimea to take Sebastopol ; sad I heard it ; reminded them that he opposed that notios, for which
is *swotting the strength of Sebastopol. I heard it treated " peace, game!" (Cheers and laughter.) He referred
with es mach isonchedossee ea Moult the speculation at also to the opposition he gave to the claims of Don
Inward bivalved only a couple of shillings is the result. A Pacifico, on behalf of whom England nearly went
"mistake" involving the homicide of thousands and tens of to war with Greece, end whew tails by erhitratiea was
thousands of men ! Why wee there such a " mistake," reduced from 26,000!. to 15W., recommended to be given to
which was in every way so deplorable ? Why wee sot all him in charity. Now, the misfortune was, that whoever
were wrong, that he
the information obtained with respect to the actual condi. he was right on these subjects, and those who opposed him
lien and strength of Sebastopol ? 1 will undertake to my heard them mention It after-
that a shrewd Leeds man, entrusted elith 10,0001. and sent wards. What he complained of was, that after a year or
to Constantinople, would find the means of getting informs- two, people conveniently forgot all about theme matters;
ton of every kind—information of every man, of every man and when it was found that his opinion wes the right one,
—they might obtain even the muster -roll sad drawing. of so one took the trouble to remember it. He asked Mr.
the whole place, if the proper precautions were Mon to get Beane to reflect whether, In taking a part
in thane p Tweed.
at them. The idea of seeding such as army. wee a logs, he would two yeses hence be able to look
leap in the dark, and throughout " a mistake." beck with perfect satisfaction upon the vote which
Now, I ma of opinion, that the mistake was sot he was new about to call the meeting to give. At
merely in estimating the strength of Sebastopol ; it was this moment the terms of peace were being arranged, and
a mistake to go to Sebastopol et all, under any eircum- it was quite within the range of possibility that
stances. (Hear, hear) We have gone 3,000 miles to we might hear by electric telegraph, before even
attack an empire containing 60,000,000 of people, and with these proceedings were finished, something decisive had
'en army of 600,000 or 700,000 men, and send 20,000 or been arranged with regard to the project for peace. He re
30.000 men' I must think—and I believe you will all think, marked upon its being now the fashion to accuse the Czar
with a fulsome self-gratification--as that with which some of Labium and as an incarnation of all that was wicked,
*Mans of the prose talked about annihilating that empire— and refined to the private correspondence between Sir Ha-
-las frivolous. end childish. (Cheers.) My opinion is that milton Seymour, the Czar, and Lord John Russell, relative
the extinguishment of Sebastopol was • mistake; it is to the partition of Turkey, in which Lord John Russell
acknowledged to be mistaken oo far that it was • o leap in panegyrised the character of the Czar, and Lord Clarendon,
the dark," and I thiuk the principal question for Eng.ish- who spoke of the " word of his Imperial Majesty being pre-
men to deal with now is, how you are best to get out of ferable to any convention thateould be framed." He said that
that mistake. (Hear, hear.) If we ere going to fight it it was such fulsome adulation that it sickened him (Mr.
out there, then I say tbe course hitherto pursued by the Cobden). I. conclusion the hon. member referred to the
government is wholly inadequate to the object is view. impossibility of keeping back Russian aggression by our
(Cheers.) We mast rain as immense army—we must Hod present mode of warfare, attacking him in his own
en immense amount of treasure—and must carry on the war territory, citing the failure of Napoleon's expedition
in the Crimea on a very different male to what we have to Russia in proof of his views, and dwelt upon the
hitherto done. (Hear.) Nowt gentlemen, I think there miserable condition of Turkey as ground for belief that
is another way by which our brave men may be removed even if REAMS did succeed in conquering Turkey, of which
from that position in which, by mistake, they have been single-handed there appeared very little chance,the country
placed ; and I think, without consuloieg our own passions, would have required so much internal are and manage-
and looking too much to ersggerated hopes and ezpecta• meat, that at all events for the next generation, which was
tons, we are bound in all Wieser to consider the position 30 year, ws had nothing to fear from Russia, and he should
of those brave men, and not throw any obstacle io the way like to know from some actuary, cattail into consideration
of restoring peace to this country and those brave men to the contingencies which now surrounded the whole question,
their homes. (Hear.) 1 would treat them, when brought end which might arise during the next 30 years, what risk
from Sebastopol, with all the consolation and honour as it we ran from • }Wotan aggression on England. He thanked i
' they bed suomeda, because we may depend upon it they his hearers forgiving him a patient and kindly hearing, sad l
then sat down, having spoken nearly one hour and a half.
have suffered ten times as much is the abortive effort
to besiege that place than if we had succeeded by
Mr. J. 0. Mantomix, late M.P. for Leeds, came forward
a coup ifs sowers in taking it. Is there no reason to
suppose that there is a possibility of effecting a safe and to address the meeting. He said he was sure that no other
honourable peace ? Is there not reason to suppose that at man than one so :popular as Mr. Cobden would have met
hwith so patient a hearing as that hon. member had when be
that
had just addressed a meeting the majority of which did not
the
tstate present
ofmtohminegentitnh the geoirvenren negotiations has
that it approximatedwoeld toe
possible to effect terms of honourable peace ? He now ad
agree with the hon. member's views on the war. He
tiersd
wdaeMter.heEdeuwninarditßaitednealuagodfeerea tir
adiignegeethane tpaea Lerouputinni-
thought that Mr. Cobden's speech might be divided
of the war. He had frankly told them that if the war were into two parts, or rather that the hon. somber had
toused two kinds of appeal to the meeting—the one wee
pi
to the breeches pocket, and the other was of a facetious
lobo represented so important • constituency, whether or
istritearri than serried
it hitherto onat all'
hod been;
;n be
buutr heie putd on
it to hisa differentrimde
not they would not be putting an obstacle in the path of character. (Laughter.) He (Mr. Marshall) had no hesita-
peace—whether they might not be frustrating the object tion in declaring that the war with Russia was a just one,
and that it ought to be prosecuted until an honourable
"whiaieuhengoaavetrnhamtepot
(len,
Nreednteo...)ttaitini—e
Oblnpaisinsiopegetasuinenh awnea:
peace could be obtained. Much had been mid by Mr.
that if there was a strong expression of public feeling in
Cobden about the abject and sad condition of the people
lino in the Turkish Empire. New, them was no doubt l
fparvegourer.aofetcsrrypaeiinage
noengeettetiewaser.,
mitenmniegehet, theawaerttenethpea C.ebd. g
in the Crimea were suffering unheard-of miseries. that that condition had improved, was improving, and
. .
He blamed government arid the administrative would improve, unless Turkey should be over-rift by the
of the army for the @offstage of that army. The govern-
hordes of Russia. After replying to some parts of Mr.
by proposing the
eemennuttrhyld
thseenythaoduremberathreemmoenn,
tthhee
abpnicrekendf
ana
m
land, where they did not know the force they were going to following resolution:—" That in the opinion of this meet.
eunkonf tg
know Cobden's speech, Mr. Marshall concluded
be opposed to, with no more provision made for their com- ing the war in which England and France are now engaged
forts than if they bad been se many criminal convicts in
with Russia is a great contest, forced upon them by the
this country that we wished to get rid of. (Cries of
outrageous aggression of the latter Power upon the Turkish
mor-
tality from sickness in our army in the Crimea, quoting Empire, and is attended to create a spirit of aggrandisement
Hear," and st No, no.") He then referred to the mor- geo
fanny, that when the regiment landed on the 18th of No- on the part of the Czar which threatens the independence
from a letter with reference to the 46:1‘ Regiment of lo-
of other nations, and this meeting is of opinion that the
vember, it was 706 strong, that it joined a detachment of 101,
war ought to be prosecuted with the utmost vigour, until
urable terms of peace can be obtained."—
stritmitenre;cenievwedtehedyranftereafteehrewatardelf
woof 34.tiemetiskveingmaent.otaTl,bo:
officer who gave him these details attributed this state of (Applause.)
Wings to overwork is the trenches, wet, and insufficient safe and thong
Mr. EDW. BAINES seconded the resolution in a long and
of Mr. Cobden
seen the face of the enemy. Now, he asked able speech. lie replied to the arguments
food Be it remarked that the 46th Regiment had
them whether we were not bound to take into ac- seriatim, and said that as the hon. member had admitted
citing for the carrying on of the war with vigour might not solution.
were comfortable at home—whether our that this. war was just, oug
he ht himself to vote for the re-
count—we who
frustrate the effecting an honourable peace? Suppose Mr. JOHN Jowzrr, jun., a member of the Society of
Sebastopol was taken, Lord John Russell had said they had Friends, moved an amendment, to the effect that this meets
no intention to occupy it permanently, nor the intention of
wanted to do, he (Mr. Cobden) firmly believed, was to Russia,
expresses a hope that the proposed negotiations for
Mg, without expressing an opinion on the present war with
taking any part of the territory of Ruud; but what we
"We did it," and then leave it. (loud cheers and laugh- Mr. J. BEISETWAN, of Bradford, another member of the
destroy Sebastopol as a point of honour •, to be able to say, peace will be successful, and no more blood be shed.
ter.) He asked them to consider what would be the come- Society of Friends, seconded the amendment.
queuees of the destroying of Sebastopol? The town might
pro a i letousnef blyo.hoooouseef, but
the iaolhaedll
as well
Mr. R. M. Mimics, M.P., supported the orignal resole-
troops. It was our bounden duty, therefore, to consider
be bblohnlnityupnetetreemtibthyeant
?dsjor-General THOMPSON (late Lieut.sColonel Thom-
lion in an eloquent speech, which w received.
without the
whether the object to be attained was worth that sacrifice—
eon, and formerly M.P. for Bradford), next addressed the
especially when it was horns ie mind that the object of the
war was not for the diminution of the territorial power of meeting. lie commented both forcibly and facetiously on
Ramie. (Cries of "No, no," and " Yes, yes.") It had the way in which the war has been conducted.
been said that in this question • great principle of right was
The show of hands was taken at twenty minutes put
at stake; but he said that as an abstract question of right
and judicators were not bound to go and fight the battles of four o'clock, and showed a very decided majority in favour
anybody. The war was one of policy merely calculated for of the ong • inal resolution for prosecuting the war with
our own defenee, and for nothing else. We were „Lima.
not fighting in favour of Turkey, but from the --"-
belief, that if Russia succeeded in subjugating Turkey,
eventually she would attack us. (Cheers.) Jut so. That
was the view he had always taken of the war, and that was
precisely the view he liked to take of it, because it was
really the only justifiable view of the case. There were
gentlemen who would tell them perhaps that this was a
. great question of justice; that we were the judges, and
that we were exercising a great act of justice in punishing a
gnat criminal. (Cheers.) Now, if they would be candid
' 'sough to hear an opinion with regard to ourselves—he
P was an Englishman like themselves—they would acknow-
, ledge that we were scarcely the men to be the judges in
this matter. They would hear it asserted that Russia had
' taken territory from neighbouring countries. (Cries of '
" Hear, hear.") His friend Mr. Punt said " Hear, hear."
Well now, as an Englishman, he blushed for himself for
i this fact, which he would venture to state, that for every
feemare mile of territory that Russia had taken front some-
body elm by force of arms during the last 65 years,
we had taken five square miles. (Cheers and
laughter.) He was glad to me them take the matter
with so much good humour. We seed not be afraid in
England to speak the truth, and we should have got on
very fast towards despotism whim a man would not be
listened to that did not speak the troth conscientiously. It
WAS stated that Russia had bees eimPlaieltiag latterly on the
Turkish empire. It wee • eisguier feet, beta feet notwith-
standing, that daring the asks of the pa tut Czar, he had
not taken • slice of territory from Turkey, but me of the
parties engaged in this war, L the cause of justice, had
taken a large aline of Turkish territory, because it was well
known that in 1830 France seized on Algeria, a Turkish de-
pendenedy, and he believed that up to the present moment
an Ragl had never acknowledged the right of France to
Algeria, by sending a consul thither, because England del
not wish to offend her ally on that point. Now, this being
the case, and be knew his friend, Mr. Baines, who was
one of the best debaters he knew, was coming
after him—(cheers and Lighter)—he knew what
he (Mr. Baines) was going .to say. He would
say—" It's all very wall, Mr. Cobden, your talking that
way, but two blacks don't make • white." (Cheers and
laughter). Well, but let him remind. Ms. Baines that he
(Mr. Baines) seta out with—that we are the j mid
the Czar is the criminal, and that we ate in
the interest of Europe and the whole midi. '
Now he (Mr. Cobden) thought before we —eagle' OM
tuilpgicaenntnteeatnithwes n
that rienezreywwheeewhaaout hays ism halo
given to pilterieg as
i ms eh
eh es themao in the &matzo very
likely to be sustained in that judgment seat palate
opinion, or that he would be allowed to exercise fans
tons of a judge for one day after that fact we. dimmed.
Now, that was hid the eve—that was the predimment in
which ws placed coneelvse when we took up that arptiont
about justice being executed by us upon the
Czar. We took a position which the wend did mit remigniee.
He *gain asked them to be good humoured while be
reminded them of one or two fame upon this point, beemem
we might be mated that however emplacently we laid ow
hands upon our karts, sad mid—. Thank Heaven we nee
not as other me that take property that do not belong to
them and mine upon their saegeboue's temtory'llre
were not telling the truth. We had taken in India, from the
Great Mogul, territory which emprised • population of 100
million., nearly twice es many as the whole population of
Russia ; seised epos territory at the Cape of Good Hope.
What we hod done there we bed done with everybody elite
when we had had the opportunity. Other cambia did
not take se to be that imonamtlate people we alleged oars
eaves to be; but believed we were just another Rum in
' that respect. (Cheers and laughter.) Just another Russia—
nothing better—nothing worse. We had taken teal-

THE HOME-OFFICE AND THE SMOKE
NUISANCE.

The following correspondence wu yesterday laid
before the City Court of Sewers. Looking at the number
of letters, which it appears must be written preliminary to
the abatement of one particular nuisance, it is not surprising
that the results of the Smoke P tion Act should be so
limited and imperfect. There are evidently other tkan
technical difficulties in the way. The following is the cor-
respondence referred to:
" Whitehall, Nov. 24,1854.
0 Sir,—l am directed by Viscount Palmerston to refer
to you a letter from Mr. J. E. Fox, and to request your
report upon his complaint of a nuisance from the furnace
smoke at Messrs. Waterlow's premises within the City of
London. " I am, sir, your obedient servant,
"H. WADDINGTON,
" D. W. Harvey, Esq., Commissioner of Police."

" John Elliott Fox, of No. 40, Finsbury circus, to the
Right Hon. Viscount Palmerston.
" November 16, 1864.
" My Lord,—As an old inhabitant of Finsbury-circus, I
beg to call your lordship's attention to an intolerable smoke
nuisance arising from the premises of Mews. Waterlow and
Co., of London-wall, from which the whole neighbourhood
is rendered extremely uncomfortable, and the Circus is ge-
nerally filled with it. It is obvious to the police, but I be-
lieve they do not like to interfere, because Waterlow is one
of the big men of the council. lem personally usknown to
him, and have no prejudice or bias, but having called your
lordship's attention to the public grievance, I trust you will
direct the necessary measures to be taken for its speedy
abatement.—l have the honour to remain your Lordship's
obedient servant, " JOHN ELLIOTT Fox."

" The Secretary of the City Polies to H. Waddington, Req.
" Chief-office, Nov. 30, 1854.
" am directed by the Commissioner of the City
Police to inform you in reply to the letter addressed to hiss
by desire of Viscount Pabnenten, that upon its receipt he
immediately oriered inquiry to be made into the subject of
it, and I now forward to you the report made to him thereon.
The commissioner desires me to add, that he has sent
• copy of the correspondence sad the report of the constable
to the Court of the City Sewers, to whom the abatement of
the nuisance complained of properly belongs.
" I am, air, your obedient servant,
" F. W. BAtINDIALB, Sea"

Here follows the report of the officer, which stated that
there was no doubt of the existence of the nuisance:
" To the City Commissionen of Sewers.
"Chief Mew, Old Jewry, Nov. 30, 1864.
" Gentlassme—l have the honour to bring under your
notice tbirfewerspossienes which has passed between the
Treuttry dui Medi in referenos to a nutmeat from the
furnace some* St Misses. Waterlow's premises, within the
City of Isemies.
"I Ima, gentlemen, your obedient servant,
" D. W. lisaviv."

" Whitehall, Dee. 14, 1864.
" bare led before Viscount raiment** your re-
port upon the smoke nuisance missed by Meters. Wider-
loves ferules eldendey, at London-wall, and as it appears
that a clear aces of nuisance may be established, Lord Pal-
mentos thinks it will be bout to takeroceediup by police
information under the Smoke Nuisance Act of the lut sec-