The Express.
London, England, 1855-08-08 00:00:00

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HOUSE OF COMMONS.-TUUDAT, Aim. 7.
[Contrlled from yererdey's Express].
Lord PALMERSTON—I do not rise to complain that
my noble tread by called the attention of the house to a
matter of great soarer Important* in regard to which he
himself has taken a large and prominent part. It is natural
that thew great questioas should occupy his attention now
that he has more time to devote his attention to them, and it
is not at a.l unnatural that at the close of the session,
when the probability is that parliament may not meet
for some months, he should avail himself of this opportu-
nity, not only to state his owe views, hat as far as consistent
with the duty of government to auk what are their views
upon this great subject. My noble friend began by stating
the amount of responsibility which was thrown upon go-
vernment. I can assure him and the house that we are per-
fectly sensible of the great importance of that respossibility.
Nu math sir, could have bees a party to entering into the
great contest in which we are engsged—no man, at least,
ought to have been a party to such a moutons without
having deeply weighed in his mind the gravity of the con.
test in which he was about to involve the country, without
having satisfied himself that that cause was jilt, that the
ground was sufficient, and that those sacrifices which he
was about to • .11 upon the country to make were sacri-
flees which a statesman might justly require. It must
be, Indeed, a grave reason whisk mild induce a man who
bad hoes party to those ausidesations—who had cooducted
the war—who had concurred is the reasons for commencing
the war—who had been a party to cell upon the country to
make a great sacrifice —who had, up to a very recent period,
eoncurred in all measures which were proposed—it should,
indeed, be a grave reason which could induce such a man
swirl to change his opision—(cheers)—to declare that the
war, which he was a putt' to, was unnecessary and unjust,
and to state before the wintry all the imaginary disasters
with which his fancy could furnish his speech, and to
be the champion of the enemy against whom his country
was engaged. (Rear, hear.) I am not such a man. My
right hon. friends, my colleagues in the government,
are not men of that stamp. Therefore, is answer
to my noble friend, to whom nothing that I
have said in soy degree applies, I have to state
that her Majesty's government fully concurs with
him la his opinion of the great importance of this contest,
is fully aware of the great turtles. whirl may be sea s
eery to bring It to a successful hut, is prepared to take
the responsibility which beluga to their position, and will
not he afraid to meet whereat again to render an mount
of the meaner in which that responsibility has been horse
by them. (Rear, hear.) Bir, wear eoucirms, oleo, of the
generous support which this home and the Gauntry have
given to so in the exertions which we have felt It our duty
to make. Whatever may be the opinions of some few mem-
bers of the house, and el ism few perms out of doors—for
I believe every °pillion hen repr.sented has its eche, of
pester or less extent, elsewhere—l am satisfied that the great
majority of this hoer are faithful npreeentatives of the
Welts, of time country—that support will De given to any
'isthmus, whoever they may be, to whom the conduct of
this metalware is entrusted, provided they faithfully per-
tows their duties to the hest of their ability. My noble
friend has thrown out his notions and opinions as to the
operations of the war and the terms for peace. It cannot
of tome be expected or leopard that goverment coo
enter into any explanation either upon the one head or the
other. Sash a rune would obviously be unfitting, sad ii
would teed to detest the policy of the country if we were
to sketch out what we thought must be accomplished in the
prosecution of the war, or to state to the house what we
think world be the termed peace upon which the contest
might be terminated. The operations of war mut is their
nature De dependent upon eirranotaaers which may
or may sot arise. The conditions of peace mast
depend upon the stimmatanoss leader which meets-
Wares are emusenced, upon the advantages which
either party may obtain in the war at the moment,
it may be, of the eonsesesement of negotiation. There is
one question to which my noble friend *Avenel% which
calls for some remark. I refer to the opinion which he
seems to entertain that the Turkish government was of
opinion that the Austrian proposals ought to have been so-
ured, and that that °prima was thwarted by the orrery
derider el the governments of England and France. My
noble friend must know far better than I ean what was the
nerseral *Mica of the Turkish representative at Vienna.
I can only say that I have so reason whatever to believe, or
indeed to suppose, that the Turkish government differed in
opinion from the governments of England and Preece as to
the nee- arty for not accepting the proposals to which my
noble Mend has referred. No doubt if the time should
come when an offer was made which the Turkish govern-
meet might think worthy of acceptance, such an opinion
ought.to and would weigh is the deliberetions of the allies.
Bet eves then I thick It ought not to be lost sight of that
there were 1101110 matters for consideratiou more import,or
even than the derision to which Tnrksv ought to come.
The wan for the purities of Turkey was us-
darken es a meats to an end. No doubt
the protection of Turkey is a question of the
balsam of power, which it was the duty of all the Dowers
of Berri to contend for. Bet behind the protection to
Turkey is a greeter question still, that of curbing the am-
bition of Rawl.. No one has 'spirited more fully nor
more powerfsliy then my noble (rived himself, that graving
ambition which is first politically and then practically
aggressive—which would Mend its despotic sway through-
out the greater portion of Serape, sad cru-ls those results
of civil sad eammercial freak. apes which the greatness
titbit essatry mainly depends. 1 as not therefore pre.
• pawed to say that it rents wick *be nihilist of Turkey to de-
r& what Nems may be newielant with the future security

they have teen prime andYreequillity—l may state
that the French force has receatly bees very much
diminished. With respect to the Austrian occupation, it has
altogether ceased in Tuscany, the garrison which occupied
Floresee having bees withitraws, and lb. government left
to rely upon its own resource., and conduct its own affairs.
There is a report that the Austrian forces in Italy have been
considerably augmented. That rumour is not well founded;
on the 'retest', information recently receivea by the ge.
virulent goes to show that although a cattalo numbs, elf
Austrian troops, five or sin thoesaad, have tutored Italy,
they have only replaced an equal number to whom leaven(
absence had bees given in the usual . We are sell
fled, therefore, that the aggregate number of AUSWIIIII
troops in Italy has not been increased, although 1 am am
able to say whether that patron that occupies Assess
is greater or lees. Hence soy notions which may
prevail that Austria it changing her policy with
regard to the allies, and is adopting • course is
Italy incompatible with her relations with England
and France, are utterly unfonaded ; and I am convinced that
whether Austria may or may not at • future time Mod bet'
self in • condition, laving regard to her own interest, to
take the field in conjunction with England and France, we
shell not see her take the field against them, and in consort
with Rum's. (Hear, hear.) My noble friend has said that
it would b. our duty to take advantage of any circularises.'
test might arise for the purpose of esdeseourine, with or
without the co-operation of Franco sod Austria, to ameliorate
the condition of Italy. Uoquesti..nably it must be painful
to every men to are that hers la a great people—for so I
may call the Italians—(bear, hoar))—endowed by nature
with the finest abilities, cambia of becoming, se they have
been in former times, models of everything that elevates
and dignifies humanity, debarred by the accidental
circumstance. of their political condition from that
career which would ennoble them as a great
nation in the intimation of the world. (Hear, hear.)
It must therefore b. the wish of every British ataterinae,
as it hes been that of my right hon. friend the member for
Oxford Univenity, not only to remove the presecre now
writhing soon the Italians, bet to prone* for them a
nobler and more congenial career than say they have ee-
keyed for years. But the house meat be aware how difficult
it is to alter • state of things which history and • have
brought about. At the saw time, I can user. my noble
friend and the house that no fair end proper opportutrity—
by availing ourselves of which there might be • reasonable
priope:t of being sumesfal—will be willingly thrown away.
It will be recollected that, is 1832, the Four Powers,
through their representative, at Rome, did suggest to the
Roman scummiest changes and administrative improve
mews which, if tarried out, would have proved highly bene-
ficial to the people. Unfortunately these recommendations,
which were urged not only by Frame sad England,
but also by Ramie, Austria, sad Prussia, fell to
the ground. They were recently renewed ; and so
far acted upon, that a council of finance was established. I
am afraid that that body has remained powerless. for
although it has made reports and ropresontationa, they have
not led to any advantageous 'malt. It was elm' mom-
seeded that there should be certain provincial or com-
menial assemblies to suable the people, if net to obtain all
the a-vantages of represostative government, at lust to
mote their wishes knows to their rulers, and to afford the
latter en opportunity of becoming euesinted with the true
feelings and interests of the pup's. Bet there has hotness
great difficulty in the way of their reerimmendations being
carried out, arising from the dried entertained of what is
called " secularisation " of the administrative departments.
That difficulty has sot been outcome. My stable friend
thritha that if the foreign troops were withdraws the people
themselves would form a government more contnial to
their feelings and more eredoeive to their istermts. If
*me changes could be made with the requisite deliberation
ealessam, I should say, " For herren's sake let the
liens go to-morrow," but amfortanately the road from
11.1 to gird government is not always smooth, easy, and
Apia. (Hear, hear.) Difficulties start up is the path,
&spas interfere, and there are sometimes evils which
elmost counterbalance, for the moment at least, the good
seen in this distance. I should be mach afraid that, uteri
arraegements were made previously, any sudden cessation
of the French of Austrian urination, the letting loose all
the wild notions that may be entertained in different parts
of Italy, would lead to imonvenienco and disturbance,
which so man would be more unions to avoid than my
aobla friend. Bat I think I tea so far answer for the go.
versus' of Fetes—l am sure I can answer fully for the
governmest of Eingland--as to say that the attention of both
has not bean withdrawn from Ibis most interesting subject,
and that we shall gladly avail ourselves of aey circumstance'
that may occur to farther those tresevolut objects to which
my noble friend has referred. (Hear, hear.) I au sot
aware that I need detain the hosts any longer. I have
stated our deep sense of responsibility, ter 'elution to do oar
beat to make that responsibility fall lightly npnn vs, our eon-
SCIOUSnalle that we have to render an account when parlia-
ment re-aseemblee, and our hope that our statement then
may be satisfactory to the house and the country. (Hear
Mr. HENLEY (who was eery imperfectly heard) was ea.
d.stood to say that until he hail heard the noble lord, t.Je
Lit sni•riteref the crown, he was vary mush at • loss to
' ban+ why the question bed been retard. Bet it appeared
new that the noble lord the member for Loadoe having con
Werth!. leisure on his bands was able to contemplate a
great Dumber of things at once. and had favoured the hosat
wish the result of his lucubration', thus sceouting for this
nut pseud distemoo. This was by no means an ea.
setsral &clarion, for if Its (Mr. Henley) recollected aright,
the first minium of the trews had more thee once takes
the same course, gni he meld Minya believe a man who
spenlated es the modem of another, from the motives that
bsdl,YlPeoced himself. (Heic. hear.) It was set lug
sines the noble lord the member fir London opened up the
whole question of Poland sad Hammy. (Dimas from

Lord J. Rummell.) The mobile teed Aga ble head, lout this
meek wee area's that he beff te the etabdult
of Resole se regarded Polarised Mora.
Lord J. RUSSELL —I mut mentioned Hungary.
Mr. HENLEY— Well, the male lied did sot drat' a very
magmas pictsre of the preyed, of the war. He said bat
little, It was tree; bersaminn hem the quarter it did, It
wee ad calculated M 111 SIM with very sanguine hers of
its alginate seethe& Meets. that opinion, the noble Mai
took every odd way of helping them out of their difficulty.
He end that Tarkey would have been satisfied with the
arruniesents that might hue bees made and that thee,
haaaaat of a losn, we skoliN have rased her • subsidy.
Then No turned to Italy, where, es first minister of the
clown, he had already performed certain extraordinary feats
ecaseted with • metal. espeditios, sad complained of
the emegatios of the Papal Boum by foreign troops.
Whee alluding to this point, the first minister of the crows
told thou that the English and French ministers were now
ooliffklaeetaitkes7inwesrmbisotetu—seastaTahavterrwyy... satisfa
periodctory
..I:assurancewire
liberal b akwt Ohpareinnesisaspitiall
werecnite is the euesdaat. Every one blued away ; every
ese had hill swing ; sad then, as the noble lord mid, the
peen made a proposal to the Roman &etas wish* wee
esalluseel Is emsekteg of the submission of Nurse to
Roods, and the deepone wader* of the former power is its
own Oates, the sod. lord was not owe jot more severe than
the oceasioa required, but the noble lord should remember
that there wen other counteieo sot far off which were ado
occupied by foreign troop, and in which similar eels
were constantly perpetrated. The noble lord, it
was tree, admitted that here, many things were
done that were not consonant to the feelings of this
country. A very easy way, truly, of getting over the diffi-
culty. Russia was, it was true, a despotic power, so was
Amgen'; bet he (Mr. Healey)was yet to learn that Francs
I was not • despotic power, and yet it was in the portion of
I Italy occupied by the troops of that errantry that so mach
lof the disorgameation complained of foisted. However,
after Bootleg to the statements of both noble lords, he must
soy he agreed in what had (allele from the hon. member for
Lombeth. He believed that the country had been einem-
sardydrawn into this war—he believed that a differentset of
rulers would have kept us oat of it ; but that was • very
difierent question front *hat we were to do now that we
were in it. (Hear, hear) He believed that government
had nothieg now to do but fight it oat, and that fighting
it out was the only way to obtain &secure and advantageous
peace. (Cheers.)
he bill was then read • third time sad passed.
THE HOSPITALS IN THE EAST.
Mr. STAFFORD role to move for an address for copies of
any reports from the hospitals at Smyrna, Rankle', Abydee,
Hululte, or Scutari ; returns from the naval hospital at
Tberapia, stating the number of sailors admitted, the
number discharged, and the number who love died; die
tinguishing the diseases and wounds ; copies of any reports
made by Sir John or other commissioner, in refe-
rence to the sanitary condition of the comp in the Crimea ;
and of any ematenunications on the health of the army in the
Coates to the commanderin chief from the inepector-general
there. He said that one of the first debates of this session
was an eager and anxious debate with reference to the
subject be was now about to bring forward; and it wee
occasioned by accounts which had reached this country from
the Crimea relating to the condition of things there, sad on
the Bosphorus, and the result was a division, which dis-
missed the existing government by one of the largest ma.
kiddies on record. Six months had passed since that dis-
cussion, is which no allusion was made to the nature and
objects of the war, bat which emphatically confined itself
to the conduct f the war; and now that party debates
were over, and the session wee about toeless, it was lot too
much to ask the government what had been done to redress
the grievances and ameliorate the situation of things—as
on that condition they expressly accepted and still retained
office. The returns for which he intended to move (to
which be ought to expect no opposition) related sot
only to the naval hospital (which the Pint Lord of
the Admiralty had invited him to ask for) but to
all the information that was to be obtained relating to the
health of the army, end which had appeared is the public
press, having been communicated by the Hero Guards;
and which he thought ought to be collected in such a form
as to become recorded in that house. He also proposed to
move for the reports of Sir John 'Udall on the sanitary
condition of the tamp. He could see no reason why they
should be withheld, and he hoped the report that he should
meet with great opposition was not founded in face Before
he proceeded to state the uses which he intended to bring
foreard he wished to allude to a eirceneatanceconneeted
with a (endorse sow absent from this eountre, and who
had a right to have his wishes attended to. A
near relative of Dr. Hall with reference to
some observations made not by him (Mr. Stafford),
but by the honourable member for Pontefract, stated that
he had received • letter from Mr. David Fitegerald, of the
Fusilier', relative to the cireuestanees of the death of Mr.
Stowe, in which he stated that he communicated to Dr.
Hal et the " Some time the illness of Mr Stowe and its
cause ; and on his holism asked who he was, he stated that
be was the correspondent of the Thews." That wee is
reference to the inquiry of the boa. member for Pontefract,
and referred to an exculpation of Dr. Hall from the charge
of not admitting Mr. Stowe into the Military Hospital. The
letter also referred to an anonymous letter received by him
(Mr. Stafford) respecting the treads int of the wounded en
the ; and it wee stated " That the inquiry he
wises(' would be the best means of clearing Dr.
Hall. " He was glad that it was Dr. Hall's wish
that there should be an inquiry. He (Mr. Stafford) knew
that some things he was about to say would not be pals
de to same persons in the country, who thought it was not
wise to bring before the public the sufferings of our soldiers,
or the evidence on the 'object from those in authority. But
looking M the mess of evidence brought before the commission
sent out by the Duke of Newcastle, at the time the statements
were made as to what wee going oat in the C. Ones and the
hospitals at Scutari, it was vermin that state of things could
hare been remedied if the system of silence bad pre-
vailed; end be was of opinion that the men who revealed
those things deserved well of their country. He would read •
few extrsets from the evidence before the commission, to show
that men who have had such *qui see ought to have their
suggistioes attended to. The boa. gentleman then read
several extracts from the evidence which were is 'datum
as follows:—The first extract was from the evidence of Mr
Robert Cooper, of the 4th Dineen Guards, who said " he
would express himself freely on the various topics which
bed been brought under his notice, and wee glad to avail
himself of the present oppoetunity " That extract west to
show the animas evilest the surgeons who vectored to
express their opinions. Then Mr. Robert de Lisle said " it
was impossible for him to state bow often he had made re.
quisitioas for medicines god medical comforts in vain. His
sick asked for soup, &e., and games ,d some impatience;
bat few of them would have been impatient had they had
prom food and clothing. He was three hundred tionsets
short at a time when the thermometer was at 26 ; ram
which was eo necessary, was not forthcoming when wanted ;
I the issue of meat was very irregular, and on Cbriatmeseday
I it was issued so late tbst it could nor, along with the doffs,
be 'oohed. Oa the 28th December they were forced to return
as a workieg party to the treadles ; as they could not cook
their food, they must have hoes two days without meet
unless they ate it raw." Mr. Eyre, of the lit Royals, said
" muck of the suffering of the troops in the trenches was
horrible, owing to the apathy and neglect of the %tithed.
ties; and that of the sick and wounded equally so." De.
Audersos, of the 90th, said " that his men had been on salt
provisions and raw coffee for three weeks; a great
proportion of the sickness was caused by the imper-
fect preparatisa of the c .ffes ; the men had no means of
cooking, and were ill fed sad overworked." Tele was sot
only the evidence et responsible *Peewees, but it was
written, aid not oval evidence. Mr. Wyatt, of the Cold-
stream Osards, said—" There was great difficulty in getting
any medical comforts ; he was usable during the preys-
lona of cholera to get • drop of brandy, though he mole a
anode report oa the sabieet." Mr. 11,stoek, of the Fusilier
Guards, mid—. About a mouth age Dr. Smith's cots were
issued, bat they had no framework and no feet, and were
quite toeless Previously to that there were no beds or
bedding; there wen blankets, but not enough to provide
one for eseh man. The ecemegoence was they were roe
saturated with mud, and in that Kieft weather there was
no alternative for patients suffering from cholera and
dysentery but to lie on the wet ground." C:loael Walker,
of the Fusilier Guards, said—" He had found a tab made
I out et a discarded pork barrel which had been borrowed by
Mr. Beseech for an amputating table, and he thought some
contrivanceh
principal
Anderson, int
a medicali ffr tobeffi, surgeon,eemrad.aenst:t a orlon ve—u":Hiee
geb wahei
Inapt° purpose
;ow el
wpr.
situated, be was told be war making difficultise, and that he
j should do as they did in the light division, sake no diffi-
culties; he had made requisitions, and when he asked if
they were to be complied with, he was told that t)ip articles
hwebwiere.uintweearehe°lhadbaatordder wisthaipc'eolera he wasted 4
her
of of
mopiuma
he and
h.d 4
to deal
edsealorewl ic
ith, pbbe,"lwniatob
pont:I:poke:61:
of three dome f.r each man of one grain each."
The hideous experience of such men having been before the
some of the suggestions for routine which they had made.
'enrolment for six mouths he would now proceed to reed
Mr. Patello, of the 30th Regirseet, aid, " That the subor-
dinate medical officers were deterred from making requisi.
floss for what they needed by their superior alcove."
Mr Watts, of the 23rd Felder', suggested, "The train.
ing of a set of men something like those in the
French service, who should be leader the surgeons,
and be taught how to lie a toarsiquet, aad to place •
fractured limb in en easy positi• n till the surgeons could at.
tend to the patient." Mr. Painter of the 18th Light Drs•
▪ De said: "that every medical c.fficer should be badepea-
dentt of his aeigltheur, and have his own pack hone sad
pewunni, etrofnorpothies•
ofconveyancethediffirsealt wmhodatiulbe
sr: aired
wiir emus; es it 1
la span, is the stall *moose sites drew es the veglesestel

enrgeons fee what they required." Among all the names
of the younger officers which had been mot home with
honour, there was none more remarkable, as well for his
gallantry es his philanthropy, :has Lord West's, and is his
evidence It westated, "That the depoty•inspectors and
stair soirees. had no power whatever. If they sent to the
sommknaziat for what they required, they were probably
reined; 'hay then had to apply to the commanding officer
of the regiment to which they were attached, who had to
apply to the quertermastergeueral of his division, who had
to apply to the quartermaster-genera of the army, and so
requisitions were bandied about from one to the other
caning infinite delay and embarrassment, which would WM.
tines to prevail unless the medical board was neonstructed,
and was placed in an independent position with reference to
the hospital , and had attached to it carriages and a staff of
purveyors' clerks. Unless that was done, the unfor-
tunate Wane of misery and destitutiou he had wit-
named for six weeks would certainly occur again."
The story of these difficulties and detects bad bees written
in letters of blood, to attract public attention to them,
and g eat had received many suggestions for
the remedy of them; but what had government yet
alt as ? He would tell them what they had not done. They
bad sot got any of &mammas, of any kind, frees say of
these hospitals, elan parliament came together. He had
moved for those papers, and after a considerable time the
return was laid upon the table of the house, and that suture
wee, nil. If the present occupants of office were to qait
their places, and take away, as they might if they
chose to do so, the private letters they had remind
upon the subject, there would remain no official
record of then hospitals sleeve the vast expenditure
incurred in the establishmeet of them. There was no
authentic statement of the amount of disease there, of the
climatic inflation!, or throe of the site of the hospital., of
the natere of the wounds and sickness, of the patients
sent there, of the number of deaths, or the causes of dome
deaths, or of the effect of the d!fferent seasons and months
upon the condition of the inmates. Two rival systems of
hospi.als had been established—he used the word rival not
invidiously—those under the managesseist of civilians, and
elaurs under military medical authority. But was there any
cone rrrrr t jurisdiction to prevent the military authorities
in the Crimea from seeding, if they were so disposed, all
the worst cases to the civil hospitals? The civil hos-
pitals, too, were farther from the Crimea than
the military hospitals were, so that they had the
disadvantage or a longer voyage for the patients
who were not to them. And suppose the military authori-
ties determined to send no patients to the civil hospitals,
and to give the civil surgeons so objects upon whisk to ex-
ercise their skill and benevolent attention; then the civil
system would not have a fair trial, and the country would
have spent dore enormous sums of money in vain. Thera
were important questions of situation and climate in eom-
parisg the different h.apitals ; and Scutari might be good
for one kind of disease, and Smyrna might be better, as be
believed it wee, for another. He wanted to know the result
of these costly experiments, which now, and as he thought
wisely, the government were trying. If the civil hospitals
were at some disadvantage, on the other hand ha believed
the military hospitals felt themselves, in their relations to
the COntenisuriat, to be in a position of g difficulty,
endless assisted by the public funds so profusely expended.
What was the poeitioa of the army surgeons ? The first
hatch of civil surgeons were sent out at a remuneration of
two guineas a day, and if the government should cease to
employ them at the end of the first year, they were toucan
a year's pay as a gratuity, upon their return, which would
make altogether about 1,6001. for a twelvemonth's "min
For less than that sum, assuming them to be 30 or 36 jeans
of age, one might buy an annuity of 801. or 991. a year for
life. But the assistant army surgeon received 7, gel. a day for
twenty five years, at the end of which time he would have
perhaps 2001 Could we be surprised, therefore, that the
assistant-surgeons were leaving the army, and seeking other
occupation ? The civil surgeons enjoyed the places which
should be given to those young men who deserved promotion.
The army surgeons were required to pen au examination ; but
what 'catnips:ion were the civil surgeons subjected t 0?
Were they required to know something of medicine, SS well
as of surgery ? There were now upwards of a hundred of
these civil surgeons with the army in the But, and whether
for good or evil, they were a new and a Very important els
meet in tie service. Haw was It intended to deal with
them, in relation to the army surgeon.? or was it intended
that there should be none but civil surgeons with the army ?
There was one hospital thst was not even named in this
report. It was arenas that while the hospital at Gallipoli,
where he believed there were only some eleven patients
last year, was mentioned in the commission sent forth by
the Doke of Newcastle, the hospital of Abydas, on the
opposite side of the Dardanelles, was not mentioned
to the instructious given to that commission, ono
was, therefore, not visited by them; yet that was a
hospital calculated to hold 400 soldiers, and se it was gene
rally full, must have had thousands of soldiers passed
through it within the last few months, although the house
had not got any statistics or the slightest information about
it. Luckily for the soldiers and for the service, tint hoe
pital had been uoder the direction of one of the most
talented and influential medical men that he (Mr. Stafford)
ever met, D.. Jennison, who had been toiling through much
discouragement to improve the condition of the poor men
under his care, and had obtained their gratitude for his
reward. What arrangement did the government intend to
make finally about nurses ? Would nurses be sent out con
•inually to supply the places of those who came home
from failing health or other causes? In the hos-
pital at Woolwich, with 350 patients, female nurses
worked most setae- torily, although the confined and
insalubrious sites both of that and of the General
Hospital at Portsmouth were very disadvantageous Thews
ought also to be some responsible officer employed to ez•
amine all the hospital alio, and report upon their state
either to the Admiralty or War-office, and the ships which
brought our sick and wounded home should not be con-
ducted with reference to their taking on board any other
cargo, but only to the comfort of the patient*. Whoa they
arrived, why should they not be accommodated in the
vacant wards of Haler Hospital? He protested against
their being kept in the Britannia, or in any other vessel, for
it ern impossible to give sufficient ventilation, and soldiers
bated being on shipb-ard worse than anytning else. It was
a great evil that men ended aa making the transition
from sickness to health too rapidly, and were sent upon bard
"min when only just recovered. Some place on the Bout%
Downs might be provided, where the convalescent might
be restored to strength, and made fit to return
to their duty, se they were anxious to do. He
(Mr. Stafford), while he made these suggestions, &anew-
, 'edited that the hon. gentleman (Mr. Peal) and the War.
office, as well as the Horse Guards, had received in the
kindest spirit every suggestion he had made. Mr. Hewes
and Lord Harding" were most anzioni for the welfare of the
poorest soldier. The appointment of Dr Storks to the
Smyrna Hospital was a most satisfactory one, and it he were
now to leave it, he would go, it was hoped, only to take the
large charge piths hospital at Scutari. The hon. member
then spoke of the pattern management of two military hos-
pitals in this metropolis—those of the Sows Postilions and the
Coldstream', under Dr. Richardson and Dr. Munro. It
might be said, the hospitals of the household troops were not
under the lespectorGeneral. This led him to ask, what
was to be done with Dr. Andrew Smith ? That gen-
tleman was anxious to be relieved of a post of
kenning anxiety, for which his age and weak-
nom unfitted him. Why had not a successor been
appoiated ? if not Dr. Guthrie, whose warnings were
no disastrously neglected, some other man of energy to effect
the needed reforms. The bon. member then urged that
some mode should Ise devi-ed of rewarding the army sou.
geons with special di tinetions conferred for peculiar merit.
Wes it less honourable, he asked, to save life than to de-
stroy ? And were not the men whe encountered dangers
as great es those of battle, is the attempt to mitigate the
miseries of war, entitled to share the dignity of the com-
batant officers ? He then bore tsvimony, as having con-
versed much with our private soldiers, to the sincere at-
tachment which existed between them and their superiors
in command. One poor fellow, whom he (Mr. Seaford)
had known at Scutari, came to him the other day to bid
him good bye, as he was returning to his native plan, in
the forth of Britain, and said to him, " Well, sir,
I'm going home now, nothing but a poor (tricots; but if I
had my soldiering days to come over again, I would rather
be is the camp than in the barrack ; for in the camp we see
more of our officers. Give me a gentleman to lead me, and
I would follow him far and wide." Sash were the holiegr
which these men entertained, and communicated to eager
friends and relatives as they told the stories of the war.
And though hon. gentlemen in their clubs might require a
new topic of conversation every week, it was not so with the
people. They still thought and talked of our army in the
But, looking eagerly for news of it, and sternly beholding
its unnecessary euffesinge. The most trying season was
coming epos it, and there was nothing to
rely upon but the skill of our medical °Seers.
Let aot the government, therefore, neglect to
secure that skill, and prefer to loss a life
rather than acknowledge a mstake. Let them not be leas
jealous of the life of the soldiers who fought oar hats s%
than they were of that of the felons who broke our laws.
Bever that official etique ra should be violated, and frivo-
lous complaints attended to, than that one soldier should
perish. (Cheers.) In conclusion, the hon. gentleman said
he was going back to visit the hospitals, not in coder to make
out a ease against the government, of find materials for in-
: unitive and recrimination : hut as a friend, he hoped to be
admitted to cheer the soldier's bedside. •He felt this nation
was tespinsible to Providence for a greet waste of human
life; and that all efforts should now be need to redeem it,
Int an awful visitation should one day come upon as f tr the
blood which was lost, and which better diligence would
have saved. (Cheers) He concluded by moving an address
for the documents of which he had given notice.
Mr. PEEL would endeavour, es concisely as be could, to
afford the information which the boo. member asked, on the
most important points. He was glad to bear the hon.
member eve, that he had received iatoreaties Wash sane.

led him that Dr. Hall was not chargeable with the conduct
narrated to him in regard to Mr. Stowe. The hon. member
amid not take credit for bringing forward the letter of "As
Army Surgeoa." Immediately when that letter appeared
in the Times the government directed inquiry to be made
before an impartial tribunal in the Crimea. That inquiry
was now proceeding, and the result, when communicated to
government, "could undoubtedly be made public; but the
testimony of two civil surgeons present at the action, in is
letter which bad been published, showed that the statement
was • gross imposition on public credulity. The
extracts from the evidence of the Duke of Newcastle's corn-
mission described a state of things which existed last winter.
The hon. gentleman could hardly mean to ask whether it
existed at present, for it was matter of notoriety that it had
long ceased ; that all our sick were now in hospital build-
ings or marquees, which afforded perfect protection sgainst
the weather, and that there was an abundance of medicines,
medical stores, and every article that could possibly be re-
quired. With regard to Dr. Anderson, who seemed to
think Dr. Hall bad thrown difficulties in the way of his
obtaining the supplies he wasted, the commissioners did not
think Dr. Hall responsible for the deficiency. Some allow-
ances must be made for the difficulties of transport by *ea
and land ; and, supposing Dr. Hall nude bis requisition en
the stores at Scutari, there might be difficulty in
bringing Him from Balsklava to the camp, as
them was no road, and more difficulty in placing
them at the disposal of regimental surgeons. As
regarded the civil surgeons, the reason why they were
appointed was that the military medical corps did not sup-
ply the requisite number of medical men. It was not true,
as the hon. gentleman supposed, that the military medical
corps had its consulting* undergone any reduction, or that
military surgeons were quitting the service in disgust. The
hon. member bad drawn an invidious comparison between
the payment to the civil anigeon of two guineas • day and
the payment to the military surgeon of 7s 6d. a day. Un-
doubtedly the pay of the civil surgeons was very liberal ;
but, in his opinion, he did not think the military surgeons
had much cause to complain in that respect; for while
the pay of the former was all to which they were
entitle°, that of the latter was exclusive of assay
advantages in the shape of field allowance and servants'
allowances which tended to remove the apparent inequality.
Moreover, the eogsgement of the civil surgeon was of •
purely temporary character, while that of the military sur-
geon was for life. The hon. gentleman said that the reason
we the civil surgeons had so little to do was that • military
medical officer was charged with the apportionment of the
sick, and that, having en interest in sending the great bulk
of the cases to the military hospitals, he withheld from the
civil surgeons at Smyrna and elsewhere their lair share of
cases. Now, that assumption was entirely erroneous. It
was quite true that at present there was • very limited
number of sick and wounded soldiers in the hoepi-
tal at Smyrna ; but so there was also in that
at Scutari, and the explanation was that the health
of the army was much better now than it was a short time
ago. If government had provided mere surgeons then were
required, the error was, at all events, on the right side, and
he hoped they would continue to be, as they had been of
late, in advance of any emergency which might arise. Early
in the present year it was predicted that, great and severe
es bad been the sickness in the winter, there would be still
greater sickness when the hot weather set in. Events had
falsified that gloomy prediction. (Hoer, hear.) Cholera,
though it had curled cif many victims, might now be said
to have disappeared, while the epidemics, which occasionally
showed themselves, were kept under by army surgeons. Still
it would bays been most twirl., in the government not to
make provision for any possible increase of disease,
and they had therefore been directing their measures to the
preparation of hospital accommodation for any amount of
sick that was likely to be thrown on their hands, even in
the event of the army having to pass another winter before
Sebastopol. lie hoped, and was inclined to believe, that
the fell of that place might take place before the winter
season set io ; bit • similar anticipation was entertained
last year—Cheer, hear)—and the bovernment, perhaps,
were then too confident that everything would tura out as
must people supposed it would. They were afterwards
very much blamed for not having made provision foe the
opposite contingency. Not wishing that that error
should be committed • second time, the government
were making provisions for the sick and wounded
of the army, upon the suppoeition that it would
have to pass another winter in the Crimea, and that
sickness might prevail to a great extent. (Hear, hear.)
With this object they had been directing great attention to
the state of the hospitals at Scutari. They bad reduced
the number of those hospitals, and had sought to carry out
every improvement which had been suggested to them by
able and competent men sent out from this country for the
express purpose of attending to such matters. With regard
to the hospital at Scutari, he wo'ild read a 'boa entreat
from a letter which had lately been receivid by Lord Pan-
niers from Dr. Sutherland, one of the sanitary commis-
sionen who were sent out to place the hospitals in a satis-
factory condition. This letter was dated Bslaklava, Jul y 17.
" Hiving just returned from Constentinople, where I have
inspected the hospitals at Scutari and Kulalie, Dose no time
ia sending to your lordship the following general report on
their psesent coodition. Speaking g Ili, the barrack
aad general hospitals at Scutari, acid the greeter part of the
Palace hospital, and of the hospital at Kulalie, in respect of
their sanitary condition at the present season of the year,
will bear a favourable comparison with any hospital
establishments with which I am acquainted. There are
no hospitals which cannot be improved by ext erience ;
sad, no doubt, the hospitals at Scutari may be further
improved ; but, taking them as they are, I am jus-
tified instating that the atmosphere within them is as pare
at it is in any civil h.spital I was ever in, sad very much
more pure than I have found it in most hospitals."
He thought, therefore, that in the four miliotry hospitals of
Scutari and Kahle" everything was most satisfactory. The
hospital at Smyrna was at one time thought capable of
accommodating 2,000 sick, and the establishment was formed
on that assumption. The building handed over to them by
the Turkish government, would, it was found, accommodate
only 660 sick; but with the view of Increasiug the accommo-
dation. it was at one time eontemplateu to send out •
number of wooden buildiegs. This plan having been aban-
doned, it was sow intaided to provide at Smyrna for
only 5.50 patients. The staff of 25 medical men was
too large for that number, and the question arose, in what
way the surplus should be employed. It being calculated
that 10 et the 25 would be sufficient for the treatment of
550 sick, it was at first designed to send 15 either to the
field or to the hnspital at Scutari ; but in order to avoid ex-
citing jealousy between the two branches of the medical
service, it was now thought better to transfer them to the
new hospital at the westward mouth of thy Dudgeon's,
which would accommodate as many as 3,01.0 sick. Oa the
whole, he thought that all the provision which
was likely to be required had been made in
the various hospitals for the accommodation of the sick.
The motion, in a modified form, was aimed to.
THE INDIAN BUDGET.

Idr. V. BMlTlrMO;elFilsat the panes and accounts
which had been presented to the house during the present
session in relation to India, be referred to a committee of
the whole beam.
The motion having been agreed to, the house went into
committee.

—Mr. V. SMITH proceeded to say that the !stamps of the
period at which he rose to make the usual statement was not
owing to say uawillingness on hieown part to make it earlier,
or to any want of industry in the department over which he
presided, but to the pressure of other business, and to the
unwillingness of the opposition to postpone their criticisms
on the conduct of the government in relation to other
matters. A pledge was given by his predecessor that the
accounts should be presented much earlier, but owing to
the causes to wkieh be referred he feared that it would
neither be in his (Mr. V. Smith's) power nor in that of any
one who might succeed him to redo m that pledge. A.
great deal of misapprehension had arisen from the applica-
tion of a misnomer to the statement he was about to make.
It had been called a budget; but, unlike the 'Mo-
ment to which that term was usually applied, it
had reference only to the Seances of past year,
and that must continue to be the cam unless the House of
Commons were prepared to rescind the whole constitution
of Wit, and to assume the direction of affairs which wee
sow left in the hands of the Court of Directors and the
Beard of Control. At the same time, he was far from
denying that it was desirable that the accounts should be
produced at en earlier period of the session. He observed
that the hon. member for Manchester had placed on the
books a notice that he intended to move that the accounts
should is Mere be made up to the end of October, instead
of the end of April. lie believed that could not be done
without a complete derangement of the accounts of India ell
they were at present settled. C" Bear, hear," from Mr.
Bright) Sub an alteration would ten 4 to confuse the
accounts, which were kept on a system of double entry. His
predecessor had told the house that he was endeavourioc to
accelerate the transmission cf the accounts from India. This
had, in fact, been done, and the accounts now extended only
two years back. On this subject he might refer to •
despatch which had been sent to India o jai the concurrence
of the Court of Directors, ceiling for the transmission of the
accounts at an earlier period. The sff.ct of this despatch
was that the governmcot might be enabled nett April
to present accounts exteodieg up to April, 1856.
Os the other bend, if the hon. gentleusair's proposal were
carried oar, the effect would be to remove them six months
backward instead of forward ; for he did not believe it to
be possible that accounts made ep to October, 1855, mould
bosun holstein time for presentation in April, 18.56. Now.
following the example of his predecessor, he should pro-
seed to meat to the house a statement of Indian finesses