The Express.
London, England, 1855-07-24 00:00:00

THE LATE COLLISION WITH THE NATIVES IN

Mr. BRIGHT selabedto—intiC questiss M w sale
lord at the bled M abs romans's; whisk hi bad pst
oa • former melee, sad *bleb the First Lord of tbe
Ad-
miraity bed rises set to
mowsser. (A laugh) He weMed
to fumy wbsoltar as, dtspeleb bed bees reesived reseset.
UK lb* late IlwlttPffr @Mr es the as* et Moils. II es,
whether the sable Med weal lay es* deepsesbee ea abs
table, owl whether be proposed OD finfitete soy
isto tbe pwliselers ? If sot, be (Mr. Bright) kV=
thoughts biniell of Wallin forward $ speeds meths es
the abject.
Lard reuguarow believed that sem mount bad
bees received at tbe Celeshisffiee, belt mese at the Admi
ratty. He wield inform himself el what bed boss reeeired,
and would taws the hes. samba? ie./borrow whether
they wen salielestly full sad eseisistery to be laid before
parliainest
THB INDIAN BUDGET.
Mr. BRIGHT asked wheUssr a day bad bees fitted ter
the Friskiest of the Board of Control's statesmat ce tie
affairs of India.
Lord PALMERSTON said the bon. member meet be
aware that them were semis bills still is orbit*
terLoversusest wee least asdress so get to lb.
Probably the mammas would set be made until
I those bilk had bees disposed of, bat his right ben. friend
was obits prepared, sad it would be wads at the what
opportunity.
CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY BILL.
Mr. BTRUTT stied when it wee intended to proceed
with this bill.

i—The hon. member will sees.
me. (Cheers, and laughter.) I cannot give him any day.
EDUCATION VOTES.
Sir G. GREY stated that the 'dilation votes would be
take. on Thursday next.
TURKISH LOAN.
Mr. FITZROY brought up the following resolution,'
passed by the committee of the whole house on Friday,
vie.:—•' That it is the opinion of this committee, that her
Majesty be authorised to guarantee the paymeat of the
interest ow the loan of flee millions sterling, to be contracted
for by his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, in pursuant.. of the
wavention signed at London on the 27th day of June, 1855,
between her Majesty, his Majesty the Emperor of the
Freneb, and his Imperial Majesty the Sultan, and that pro-
vision be made out of the Cftsolidatod Fend of the United
Kingdom, or the growing produce thereof, for the issue of
such sums of money from time to time, as may be required
to pay say interest which may ;at any time be required to
fultll the guarantee of her Majesty in respect of such in-
terest, conformably to the tenor of her Majesty's engage-
ment a. specified is the said convention, together with the
attending shages of mansgemeot thereon."
On the motion that the report be read a mooed time,
Mr. 8. WORTLEY row, not to offer any objection to the
motion, or to open any discussion upon the difficult ques-
tion iavolved in these resolutions, but to express his regret
that the house should have been surprised into the division
on Friday night, believing, es he did, that the narrow ma-
jority by which the resolution was carried afforded but a
very imperfect indication of the feeling of the house upon
the subjeet. (Caws) He attended the house in the even-
log of Friday, and remained these until past eight
o'clock, and up to that hour, when he left, bo
uadarrood that it was sot fatted= to carry the
disthmien beyond a mere coaversation, and teat it
ass set intended to carry it to a division. (Hear.) Mo
WM admit certainly that within a few minutes afterwards
he was informed that the hoe. member for Stoke had kr
IMO= hie intention of opposing the motion, but w gene.
sslttNmetaadiagneverthellwwwwthat no adds. weight
be Ninas semi that bad it bees supposed that the ressistlea
yea be opposed, the house would have bees much faller,
a= die majority would have been considerably larger.
(Lead Gies of " Hear, hear.") Although be did not rise
ea the present occasion to di.euss the question of the policy
01 the proposed gamines, he by no means contended
that the house had not the full right to call in
question any convention of this nature. (Hear.)
It was undoubtedly the prerogative of the crown
to redact negotiations and to ocutelode conventions and
treaties with foreign powers, bat it was the privilege of the
Commons of England to comment upon them, and if it
thought proper, to withhold the supplies seceseary for
carrying them into effect. (Hear, hear.) He mast admit
that upon the face of this convention there was mach to
object to, sad muck that was open to animadversion and
hesitation. (Hear, hear.) He could understand the difficulty
of carrying out this convention, and he ceeld well under-
stand the objection which had been raised to the particular
form of convention, and the embarrassment which might
sties from the manner in which each of the guaranteeing
parties was made to guarantee the whole amount. But in the
face of all them difficultly., looking at the present position
of affairs in Europe, sad to our relations with the great
power that wee lowed with as is the guarantee, he scald
not bat regret some of the leaguer that bad been held on
• niikt by the opthusealls and still
mere that t should have gene teeth to Zan= that the
House of Commons nearly rejected it, and only gave its
swetioa to the resoled= by a narrow majority of 8. (Hear,
hear.) Looking at all the eireamstaaoes, he did not my to
the danger of disturbing the alike= between France and
England, for he did not invitees that such a trifle would have
any each effect—bat looking at the advantage that
might be takes of it by the friends of Russia,
sad wandering the patibility of its being pointed out as an
indication of misuadeneeadfag between the two great
Western Powers, he for one deeply regretted what had
°warred. (Hear, hear) Considering the objectless to the
convention in its present form, and the views ealartainsd
by his hon. fined/ below him, be could scarcely weeder at
the earnestness with which they had spokes spin the sub-
ject; but he certainly did weeder that ether Ma. gentle-
men who had tit shag prebend thentedess demmue of
assisting in the ears= sad *mew psuathadon of the war
should :have joined fa a vote which, though it might net
be misunderstood la that ben= might have the
in Europe of halation= the part the House
rarOlanis.
sasin granting these @applies width were ewes-
may he earrying the war to a sweestal Wee. (Cheers.)
Beße hsggetl to apologies to the Muth he troubling them with
these Mrrealions, but he bed thought it right to do so, in
the bops of preventing the imputable going forth, either in
this =entry or elsewhere, that the =ell number by which
the resolution was carded on Friday sight was say repre-
sented= of the feeling et the Home of Commas upon the
subject.
Mr. Hamm, Mr. ALoocs, Mr. J. L. Eiceiso, Mr.
Dann= sad others, dirtied= the votes which they gave
spied die sessintisa.
aria 61RwINwefeseed that the vote of Friday took
▪ ammerlat by eneriee. (Hear, hear.) Hie teeseiesse
was easy on the sable= se be did set vote at all ; but if he
thought that the consequences were to be so serious, he
should certainly have =led with the government (Hear,
bear.) This was tar ben being the first time that this
=entry g.ve money le ether tuitions fee the purpose of ear.
eying on war without times =does faille/ into ruin. They
were paying the interest of a loan of 3,000,00 W. to Reada,
sicthey also peld mow kr Aaelela and Ferthosi, and these
ithat had given ver7 OA fa the peneeeliest el the
anew • delay el sis maths for the parpthe of
Ibis Imes of the lees melt be very lasosualeat tolCel
ma Wahl keel le sum slight diminutios el oesidense
it pest of Preaee. It we. said that Turkey weath awn
pm lay pan of this nosey. Now, if any wow had
Mism ground ter such an lasinuatisa then math=
y was that esimtry. (Hear, Mar.) Nabs, mkt
Turkey be in the wretched medium that some supposed,
NSW that she bad far the lest oe.tury sustained alone the
pawn et amis. It was set surprising that the mower
of Turkey sheath be somewhat diatiaisbed after the efforts
she bad made to keep up and organise her army, the ar-
tillery of whisk la proportioa to the number of that army,
was aot Weds* to that of her aim. As to the arm before

Mr. GLADSTONE.—The hoe. member (Mr. Layard)
had stated that is dislodgment his (Mr. Gladatooe's) conduct
in respect to the French alliance had been uswise,
unjust, unconstitutional, and unpatriotic, and had, he
thought, applied to him nearly all the epithets to be found
under that particular heading in the Dictionary. He would
not disease matters in detail, so far as regarded the pre-
ens war, for be was bound to say that on that particular
subject, he though. that the view which had been taken
as to his bringing it about and inflaming the fire—the
use of those epithets could not some to him but as • com-
pliment. The hon. gentleman said th.t, in 1853, he (Mr.
Ciladatoae) made a speech at Manchester, and had referred
to his opinion, at that period, which was before the out-
break of the war ; it was at a time when there appeared to
be the greatest hope that war might be avoided, and it was 1
before the eroding Of those national propositions on behalf of
Terhey and Russia which had been madly refitted by Russia.
At that time there were gentlemen in this country of whom
he thought the hon. member (Mr. Cobden) was the
thief, who appeared to him to be propagating dangerous
delusions ea to Turkey,—of warm he would not understand
that he imputed to him any but the most perfectly sincere
fanaticism en the subject. (A laugh.) Re at the time
thought it would lead to false ideas, and might lead to bitter
disappointment, and that bitter disappointment was now
arising, and ha thought that the hos. gentleman had • great
share in propagating those ideas. So much for mason of
*pinion; but as to matters of fast, bethought he might have
had tome common ground with the hon. gentleman (Mr.
Layard). The hon. gentleman said he wee taken by sur-
prise as Fridley night, as he had anticipated as division. It
war very strange that as the hon. gentleman had yet antici-
pated no division he should yet hale paired on that parti-
cular question with an hon. gentleman, a relative of hie
(Mt. Gladstone), and should have sent that gentleman to
acquaint him (Mr. Gladstone) that he had made that tros-
Tensest arrangement. Bat the bee. gentleman not finding
it enamaient to be in his place when the question was dis-
cussed had bat been delivering a speech toexpress his opi-
sioa upon the line of conduct which they bad thought fit to
puttee in going to • division, when he admitted that they
bad asthma( sow. His haat friend, and also almost every
member who bed spoken, agreed that the proposed arrange-
ment was • harlots, and the feet would make its mark in
the country that there was not one man in the house, en
apt the ant minister of the crown and the Chas-
tenor of the Exchequer, who had defended this
arrangement. The lionoerable baronet the member
for Benham (Sir R. Willoughby) had said that
the objections were extggerated, but he thought that
there was still eonsiderable force in the objections to the
proposed arrangement. Then be had been told that what
had taken place bore evidesee of • preeoncorted move-
ment, and the learned militant opposite had paid him the
compliment of asewerieg on • subsequent creemioa the
speech which be (Mr. Gladstone) had made es a former
occasion. Re said that there were signs of pressmen in his
(Mr. GLedetesets) spina. If there had been any preen-
ern. he should be the flan to avow it, for it appeared to him
that nothing weld be more rational than that those who
agreed together should vote together, and that they should
my that they were going covets together. Bat the learned
earmant's Mammon was inaccurate, for on Friday
evening, before the debate began, he (Mr. Glad- I
stone) asked the hon. member near him whether it was
his intention to divide, end hie atkmative answer was the
first notice he bad of a division, and the emend announce-
meat was en intimates from the hon. member for Aylee- '
buy (Mr. Lsyaid) Nasal that be had paired on the divi-
sioo, although that hen. member sow said that he was
taken by sands, bt *ere be a division. (Hear, hear.)
Unwise, win* sapatriotio—for what ?
for 11111114wfilt hoes. MSS for Aylesbury. If he
did not Is epee with him (Mr. Gladstone), he had
great piss uses fin agreeing with the bon. member for Ayles-
bury as to the nanallefesnary arrangement of a joint rawes-
t's, which had bees swedisenned right and left, boat and
rear, and defended by two 'abuses minister. end by nobody
else.' Re was sot going to retaliate by finding fault with
three who had voted with the ministers. He admitted
that they were placed is circumstances of greet
difficulty, and he passed no ensure on those
who had voted differently from himself ; but he was there to
say that tie GOUTse which they bad taken was one which
they had a right to take, and quite in accordance with the
constitution and with precedent. The right hos. goalie-

contrary, he end this whip opposed the meanie* at every
stage, and three times the veins of that house were called
for on the prineiple of the measure. That coarse had been
adopted ceder the gravest circumstances. The subsidy in
Mr. Pitt's time was to enable Austria to keep 200,000 men
in the field against France. Let them go further hick ; and
the farther they went back the more they would find that
that house was not to be deterred from the exercise of its
right by seem sad imputations ef this kind. In 1713, after
they had made the peace of Utrecht, there was presented to
tee hone • commercial treaty with France—a commercial
nutty wheels famed part of the general pacification
'et Europe, and which indeed formed • portion of
the arrangement on which hung still more pregnant
sad momeutons results than those now before them. But
as is that treaty something was contained touching the
inactions of the House of Commons, the House of Com-
mons felt itself at liberty to reject those articles of the corn-
nuncio' treaty, and to throw out the bill that was intended
to effect it. (Hear, hear.) Well, he did not in the slightest
degree censure those who took a different view, but whilst
he admitted that the question was one of great difficulty, he '
thought it ought to be treated as one of those eases in which I
difference, might prevail, and should not be the subject of
retrospective lectures by those gentlemen. (Hear, hear.)
He would refrain from touching on any part of this queetion
which might impugn the conduct of the government. They
had not entered into this discussion, and he should be very
glad if the government would not take notice of their dif-
ferences, but would leave them to settle the matter
among themselves. But the hon. member for Kent
(Mr. Dada) mid that he admitted the fora of his (Mr.
Gladstone's) financial objections ; but was of opinion that
las should take • political view of the matter, for in doing
es he must se* that the rejection of this convention would
UMW • misunderstanding with France—so serious that any
"sandal objections would be overborne. Now what he did
ay was that, financially, the plan was bad; but it was on
political objections that he mainly based his opposition.
The financial difficulties might be limited within the figure
a 6,000,0001., which, though large, might easily be borne
by the immense resources of this country; but it was on
the political objections to the measure that be had mainly
dealt. And now he mast tell hon. gentlemen that they had
sot well considered this subject in connexion with the
French alliance. Was that alliance an aliases of to-day
and to•morrow, but not of the neat day Was it their
dot, to live simply from had to mouth, and leave the
future to shift for itself ? Were they, on the plea of
present inconvenience, to become deliberate and
silent parties to a plan which was full of future difficulty ?
(Hear, hear.) The learned serjeant said that he (Mr.
Gladstone) had spoken of the good faith of France, and had
mid in effect that France was not to be trusted. The
learned serjeant said he was present, end heard it ; but he
(Mr. Gladstone) did not recollect that he had used a single
ezenssion containing any reflection on the good faith of
France, who, in his opinion, was entitled ti stand as high
moor own national good faith stood in respect to pecuniary
ma tars. (Hear, hear.) But he ventured to think that
there were many cases of difficulty which might arias in
this matter, and he did not confine himself to questions of
to-day, fur this was an arrangement fur future ages He
dared say that Turkey would fulfil her engagement if she
were able; but this convention that they were discussing
guild sot be wroeght oat in lees than forty or
any lean. For forty or fifty years we were to
be in the relation with Frown of having given
this joint guarantee. It bad been said by moralists that
those who would avoid sin should avoid the occasion. of
sinning, and so nations who wished to avoid quarrels shoaled
avoid the incisions of quarrelling ; but this oonvention per-
petuated the causes of quarrelling. He would ask if an
rant wished to recover from Turkey. and the other did not,
or flue party obtained an equivalent and the other not,
whether disputes would sot be likely to wise? They had
been favoured with two speeches from the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, and three from the First Lord of the Treasury,
rising in number as in dignity, and though it did not appear
to him that they were on that occasion particularly anxious
to save the time of the house, yet they could not find one
moment of time to state what rights we were to exercise and
enjoy under this joint and separate guarantee. But, &floral!,
the main question was the particular question be-
fore them, and he trusted that the government would think
that tonight they were not called on for any declaration of
opinion at all ; for, as he understood, there was no inten-
tion to divide to-night ; but he trusted that the government
would bear in mind this remarkable fact, that he was strictly
borne out in the assertion which he lead made—that though
there was great difference of opinion as to the propriety of
voting on this convention, yet there appeared to be no dif-
hrenos of opinion whatever on the prudence and wisdom
and expediency of the terms of the convention itself. (Hear,
beer.) He hoped, if there were gentlemen in that house
who thought that this was a wise annogement, that they
would rise and say so. In that house they had this ines-
timable advantage, that such was the freedom of debar, and
such were the varieties of the constitution of the human
mind, that if it wire potable so far to deviate from the
common llw ea to form • lar east of opinion,
on • particular matter in that Ltirarthey were sure to find
it; but, though they:had almost • menagerie of opinions—(a
laugh)—yet on this question they had not a single specimen
of what he might call an unofficial man who approved of
the convention on its merits. (Cheers.) He did entreat
his noble friend at the head of the government to see what
he could do to remedy this arrangement. He knew that he
was placed in difficulty after what had taken place, but he
knew that he and his colleagues would plainly see that the
imputations of faction and party concert were not enough
to account for the proceedings of Friday night ; and he en-
treated him to consider, in the interval of two or three days
which must elapse before they considered the detaila in eon-
mittee—hs entreated him to see what he could do in
the matter, and to institute proceedings—to advise
the orown to institute proceedings —in the way
of negotiation, to mitigate some of the more serious
difficulties, and to obviate some of the more for-
midable dangers which might arise. He felt that the
gentlemen who had given the vita on Friday night
which had been objected to, bad done a service to the I
country—(hear, hear)—but be for one was not disposed to
approach this most important question erupt with great
care, and not in a party spirit. He regretted that he should
see in this convention dangers to the Freach alliance which
alliance he trusted would long outlive the miserable come
plkatiou of the present war. He again entreated his noble
friend to consider carefully whether be could not do seen
thing to relieve as from the more serious of thus sale; tie
did not sey to relieve us at once, but to be prepared IR
future occasion to do so, and he was sure if he wen SIMMINIF
fel he would do a great smisunt of beneSt to his using.
I The report was then received.
ORDNANCE SURVEY OF SCOTLAND.
A debate on the above subject was prolonged foe sow
time, many Scotch members taking part in it, end farther
=pi:nations being given by Lord Palmerston. Finally, it
was agreed that the subject should be investigated by e a.-
kit eimmittee next session.
THE SALE OF BEER ACT.
Mr. ALCOCK then, pursuant to notice, proceeded to call
attention to the state of public opinion on the subject of the
Sale of Beer Act of last session. He observed that some
ten days ago he asked a question of the Home Secretary
whether there was any intention of bringing in • bill to
repeal or modify the act in question, and ti e right hon.
gentleman replied that until the Committee sitting up
Mails had reported be had no' intention of taking any step
ha the matter. The right hon. gentleman would not take
any etap, nor allow any one else to take any step, until
the committee should have reported, which, in effect,
was that the government desired to throw the quesffon over
he the session. This the public out of doors did not
hesitate to characterise as • joggle. A deputation waited
open the Home Secretary in May last, but the answer of
the right hoe. gentleman was, that the subject was not then
pressing, it would be better to wait until the thirsty months
WI July and August. Well, July bad tome, and bad well
sigh passed, and August would pass too, and parliament be
prorogued, it appeared, without anything being done by
, the government to satisfy the public mind, and remove the
anomalies which recent legislation bad hart duped. He was
asked what be would propose? (Hear.) Mr. Hardwick.
Mr. Hammill, Mr. Broughton, Mr. Combs, and leveed
other of the metropolitan police magistrates, bad recom-
mended that the public homes should be closed from 12
o'clock on the Saturday night until 1 o'clock on the
Sunday, and that from 1 o'clock on that day
they should be allowed to remain open until 12
o'clock on the Sunday night That was the proposition
he wished to submit. He was aware that some of the polka
magistrates had recommended that all peblio-houtes should
be compelled to be clued daring Divine service in the
morning, afternoon, and evening ; but as the hours of hold-
ing Divine service differed in the different parishes, such •
regulation would, ha thought, create ealfsdon ; and he pro-
need, therefore, to have one uniform role applicable to all
localities. (Hear, bear.) He thought the best way to wary
eat his object would be to repeal the at of lest
year, and the 11 and 12 Vie., cap. 20, altogether,
and so much of the at of Gee. IV. as required public-
houses to close during the hours of Divine service, end to
enact that in future all public-houses should close at 12
o'clock on Saturday night until one o'clock on Sunday, and
close again at 12 o'clock or the *Sunday night. His present
Object was to press the matter upon the attention of the