The Express.
London, England, 1852-12-11 00:00:00

(Cheers.) Us would Mker this opportunity of linking the
right hon. 'gentleman the Chancellor of the getheqwnr
whether the second instalment of this Tenn hop duty.
which would she payable in November twat (the redoeed
duly, supposing tho government scheme to pass, coming
Into operatic/ in July), would be elP.rged et gm reduced or
thes ems ingsn.te of duty ?

one wished to laduce the people to feed on paper or ee soap.
(near, hear.) Ilia hon. friend the member for Mattress
said from whatever sours* yor, derive the revenue do net
take it from the beveragee of the people, and now that they
had cheap bread and eheap meat why should they not have
eheup beverages also i That opinion was no doubt worthy
of the benevolence of his hon. friend, hut the Chancellor of

approved of and the government ,he detested.
(deer, hear.) A man was not • leathern bsg
nor a strong box, but • living being with blool in Ins
veins end a been In his bosom, who could apprecia.e • kind
intention m well as retaliate under • sense of injury. lie,
therefore, asked hon. gentlemen opposite—he was not
ehar,ring them with a couseiousnuis of the effect of what
Clam of their

The CHIFICELLOft of the EXCHEQUER—It is not the Exchequer would not judge solely on the ground they said—not unconsciously to treat a great
intended to accord any drawt.ek on the duty chargeable of benevolence, but would only take his ManellrelaS became countrymen as if they were enemies. (Cheers) lion.
for the Etyma Yeses geoe.th. (Hear, hear.) a !whined cootwaiist, and it was necessary for him in . gentlemen were, he hoped, not merely political economists;
THE AUSTRaIIAN CONSEITUTION. looking to articles for reduction of taxation to select ttey were alas politicians; they were also statesmen. Sup-
Sir W. MOLESWQ RILL after calling attention to the those by maws of which a reproduction of the poomet that all Skirt of the h .use agreed in the extreme yaw
petition of grievanaes presented last year, asked the Seere- national revenue would Le spatted. Ile lookeet therefore, of the case—supposing that all this agricultural distress of
Lary of Btate for the Colonies whether it was the intention to the reduction of the duty on tea as tending to promote I which so much was heard was unreal, and that the lumen
of her Hatestass government to hike any steps to comply our trade with China, soil whit'', while directly benefiting were a peculiar class, who never knew when their pickets
with the Peeyer ut the petition which was presented to the the people at large, would indirectly tend to extend the were empty or when they were fun—at least, hon. gentle-
House of Commons from the Legislative Council of New trade of Manchester and Liverpool; and they, the comary men would not deny that these farmers believed in this
Soath Wales, during the last fusion, by the Secretary fur gentlemen, would rejoice at that. (Cheep.) Let than distress—that, in consequence, they cone and them-elves
Ireland ? look to the malt tax, because, although it was not before to be injured, and that that conviction produced dieatfection,
Sir J. PAKINOTON reminded the hon. baronet that the house, it was impossible not to perceive from the cheers and that, al a matter of policy, it WAS worth while to get
when this important petition was preeected lest session he with which the speech of the hon. member fur Nottingham that impression destroyed. (Cheers.) For abet was this
Re. a pledge he would analyse all the allegations con- had been received, and from what had been written on the clew? It was a class of men amongst whom in times of
harm!. Ile had redeem. t that pledge ; and the govern- subject, that it was the malt tax and the house tax which were 'Linger and in sealant of war this country had hitherto
meta had taken into consideration the very important de- now most prominently before tho people. Let them found that " cheap defence of nations" which consisted in
mends made by the petitioners, with an anxious sense of see if the reduction of the malt tax did not rest ancient loyalty and strong lore of c outlay. (Cheers.) flow,
the growing importance of our Australian colonies, and of precisely on the name principle as the reduction then, when an offer was made which would content this class
the extraordinary circumstances in which thou colonies of the duty on tea. Ile would admit that you would not cheaply, while extending large benefice to the cominunity,
were now placed. Her Majesty's government, after giving get so great an advantage by the reduction of half the tax could lona gentlemen rant it? (Cheers.) But behind all theme
the fullest consideration to the prayer of that petition, and se would be Reined by its total repeal—(hese, hear)—and quo...hone there was one question which would force itself
the extraordinary circumstances which he had mentioned, that you would still retain the costly and vexatious ma- on the consideration of the house. lie woe the hot person
had decided upbn the extent to which conceuions should be chincry of the Excise, and that it would still tend to cripple to impute to loon. gentlemen opposite &single fectious or ure
made, and the policy which for the future ought to be the farmer in the use of his capital and the fattening of his worthy motive. Still, however, as they had been Su severe
adopted. Ile was sure his hon. friend would see that it cattle; but still it was a step in the right direction. (Hear, on the inconsistency of gentlemen on that (the minien red)
was impossible to enter now into any statement of the de- hear.) lie said that so long as revenue was drawn from side of the house, lie might be allowed to ink them, with
vision to which the government hod conic; ono which that duty, so long would the farmer be impedell in the all proper respect, whether " principle, indemmili nt of
must necessarily be extensive and somewhat corn- exercise of his industry and the use of his capital, and so party," had been precisely the virtue of wheal they do m-
Plicated in its nature. The best answer he could long would the country gentlemen endeavour to obtain for selves had set the example ? They had forced on the pre-
give was, that her Majesty's government had decided them impartial justice. (Hear, hear.) Ile would say to his sent government the recognition of the permanence of
upon the course which they ought to take in reference to hon. friend the member fur the North Riding of free trade ; end the whole gravamen of their attacks ever
these colonieg and that after the recess he would take an Yorkshire, and those who agreed with him in the • ivocacy since had been that the government hail made the concussion.
opportunity of stating to the house what that course of of a total repeal of the tax, that there would now be at least In fact there was the most unaccountable anger at the
policy would be. (Hear, hear.) this advantage, diet by just so much as you diminished the triumph of the frth trade prince dc—(laughter)—and
The motion for the adjournment was then agreed to. tax you lessened the financial difficulty of getting rid of it having invited the government, by the resolution of the
Bir 11. 11ALFORD gave notice of a bill to secure the altogether. (Cheers.) Suppose, however, that it was hon. member for Wolverhampton (Mr. Villiere) to proceed
payment of wages without stoppages after the recess. doubted that the proposed reduction would benefit the to measures of further extension of free trade, when roes.
TRH FINANCIAL S EATEMENT. farmer, yet no one could deny that it would cheapen the cures in this direction were prepared, accompanied by a
The order of the day having keen read for going into price of beer, and no monopoly of the brewers could defeat detect tax so sound in principle that they had riot a single
Committee of Ways and Means, the intention of the legislature in the fate of public opinion, political economist to produce against it, they met the
Mr. T. :BUNCOMBE rose on the question that the and even if it did. it would unite all parties in a determine- ministry with an opposition, and " restriction upon iii-
Speaker do now leave the chair, and said, I feel, sir, that tion to have an alteration in the saran of licensing. Ile re. duatry " was their cry. (Loud cheers.) It was impos.
the b ass is placed in rather a peculiar position in refer- membered that the hon. memher for Derby, the great se- sible to ascribe this influence to paltry motives ; and he
enc.' to the resolution just made—that you, sir, leave the former of British ale in ISdi, made a motion for the ascribed it only to that honourable ambition which
chair for the purpose of our going iuto Committee of Ways revision of tho malt tax, and he then rested induced hon. gentlemen to wish to substitute a government
snit Means, to entertain the preposition of the Chancellor his case on the argument that the reduction composed of men they preferred fur the gnvernineut whoa, :
of the Exchequer—that is his budget (Hear.) I also of half the tax would enable the brewer to give good measures they were compelled to be inconsistent in order
think that I should ill discharge my duty to my cowl. beer to the people at • moderato price ' • and since the to oppose. (Cheers.) Ile had one word more to say in
Meats if I did not at once state that they do not wish budget had been brought thread he (Sir E. B. Lytton) oppesling to the great body of gentlemen on the other side
their representatives in this House of Commons if they had had an opportunity of speaking to some of the most ut the house. It was the opinion which he had entertained '
could be so penuaded to entertain the proposition of the eminent firms in the trade, and they stated that they akin with regard to the total repeal of the corn lawn which lieu;
Chancellor of the Exchequer at all. (" Hear" and hated that under the proposed duty there would be a endue- estranged him from the party to which he had always up
laughter.) I dare say, and I should not be surprised if tion in the price of the superior beers of one penny in a to that time belonged—to which, lie might say it without '
this proceeding of mine were called factious. (Hear.) quart. (" Oh, oh !" and cheers.) lion. gentlemen should presumption, he had reader, d some trifling service, and
But that is a very old story with me. I have been tallied remember their own argument with regard to the corn low among which he still recuguised, not only private friend.,
factions by all governments ever since I first had the honour —that they could not soy to what point the price would be but politicians of spotless integrity and statesmen of con.
of • seat in this house, and I defy any man, or any body reduced, but that all they could do was to reduce it, and it summate genius and experience. But it was not en that
of men, to do their duty to the public without incurring was so with the reduction of the malt tax, which rested on single question alone that he had made a master of hie
that charge. (Hat.) But let me tell those gentlemen the same grounds as the reduction of the duty on tea, very humble support to the party ' and to the policy repea-
l' ho care about it that it means in point of fact nothing— inasmuch as it would be directly a benefit to the tented by the present government. He bad not done so
or anything or nothing at all,so the case may be. Sometimes, consumer and indirectly to the farmer in the same while the late administration hooted. He had not don° so
when it suits them to do so, gentlemen feel highly manner as the reduction of the duty on tea would until that administration—he did not any this to wound or
indignant at the charge—sometimes they treat it directly be a benefit to the consumer, and indirectly offend—died of its own exhaustion—not until the noble lord
with the contempt it deserves. They are indignant when to the merchant and manufacturer. In order to see how (Lord J. Russell), a great statesman, looking round on
it suits their purpose to give that tune to the debate; but that reduction would operate, he would read an extract the state of partite, could tee nu other statesman
I say, to be called factious en this occasion, is to carry out from the great free-trade authority, Mr. M'Culloch, who but Lora Derby to name to her Majesty as his own suee e-
the wishes of the great body of the people—et all events, stated to the effect that " The malt tax fell directly on the sor—(laughter)—and, subsequently, in consequence of the
it will be carrying out the wishes of this metropolis to op- consumer, and was evidently injurious to the agriculturist. condition of atlOirs at home, and still more in consequence
pose your leaving the chair. (Cheers.) Certainly the Suppose that a high duty was imposed on calico and broad of the condition of affairs abroad, he had been induced to
government cannot object to that couree—for that is the cloth, would it not be a serious injury to the manufacturer? believe that it would be fur the welfare, and perhaps for
open and candid way of meeting the question. We do not At one time a duty of 3d. a yard was imposed on all the eafety of the country, to give to Lord Di rby's govern.
want your budget, nor do we want you. (Loud cheers, and printed cottons which f. II directly on the consumer, but it meat a fair and a cordial trial. Ile trusted it was to that
laughter) And the peculiar position in which the house also operated against the producer, while the duty produced trial ho founded his support ; but he did so with a full
is placed, arises from this circumstance—that the Chaccel• a revenue of 600,0001. a year. In 1830 the duty was re- allowance for all the difficulties the government hod to co-
lor of the Exchequer has told you that he wishes to stand pealed, and subsequent events bad proved the policy of the counter, and with a full belief that it would unite a conci-
or fall, by each and everyone of his resolutions. What is reduction. The malt tax was analogous to that duty, hatory policy to the clam on which, long distressed, there
the use, then, of going into a committee of Ways and and all tho arguments which were applicable to had been produced a deep sense of injustice, with that
Means on the resolution for increasing the house duty ? calico, merlons mulandis might be applied to the molt tax." reasonable deference to the public opinion which Lent
Suppose you carry that—there arc other propositions which It might be said that this argument only went to the qua- Derby had frankly expressed when he first entered on office.
will be equally opposed—and you tell us that if you break tion of a total repeal of the tax ; hut it will subsequently In that school in which he (Sir E. B. Lytton) had learned
down in one of them, you intend to resign. All our time declared by Mr. McCulloch that, despairing as he did of the constitutional liberty, it had never been considered a dis-
therefore in discussing this resolution will have been total repeal, he should be willing to propose that the tax green to a minister of England to regulate, act indeed his
wasted and thrown away. Why not, then, take the be reduced one half; aid yet, when a measure which it private doctrines, but his political measures, according to
decision at once on the question of the Speaker's was admitted would be for the benefit of the farmers, was the opinions of the time : and certainly he never expected
leavi g the chair ? (Cheers.) I do not know whether or accompanied by an increase of the house tax, they were toll to have heard from the leaders of a party who threatened
not I shall be accused of it, but I intend no offence or in• that it was a question between town and country. No, it was to change even the constitution itself, in order to bring us still
salt to any one. If they will be insulted I cerium help it. not a question between town and country, but a questien be- inure under the influence of popular control—(loud cheers)
(A laugh.) If they will say their feelings are outraged it tween free trace and restriction—(hear)—it was a question —the taunts to which they had given expresaion against
is no fault of mine ; that is not my object. I have ouly to whether or not you would reserve a check on industry the present First Minister. But that which urged him tosup-
carry out that for which I ruse—to bring the qua- and capital because it was accompanied by a direct tax port the present government was not anyqueetion connected
ton to as speedy an issue u possible. (Cheers.) which all political economists had recommended, even if with agriculture merely; and it was not, on the other
Mr. WALTER—If the hon. gentleman persists in that there was no malt tax at all. (Cheers.) lie suspected that bend, any party consideration; it was this—the disposition
motion, I shall certainly divide with him, not, however, on the reason which, in the opinion of its opponents, deprived they had evinced towards general measures for the im-
the ground on which he put it—that of want of confidence the reduction of the malt tax of all benefit to the consumer provement of our laws and the advancement of the people.
in the government—hut on the more charitable ono of and the farmer was the very reason for which it ought to lie did not allude only to the reform of the Court of Chan-
giving the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if he is deter• be preferred to any other, and that was because it procured cery, nor to the programme of useful measures announced
mined to commit political suicide, as roach time for repeut- for that clue a more free competition. If the country in the recent speech from the throne, nor even to the
aims as possible. (Cheers and laughter.) were banded together against it, then the measure would measures that were now before the house, sincerely as lie
Mr. ALCOCK should have no hesitation in voting have risen preeminent in the eyes of gentlemen oppo- approved of these. Ile looked for more to the liberal and
against the proposition for increasing the house tax, though site—(cheers)—and they should be told that they enlightened speech of his right hon. friend (Mr. Disraeli) '
be should have some doubts on the subject if he thought it refused to cheapen the beer of the people. (Cheers.) Be- the other evening; for he saw there, for the first time,
would endanger the proposed reduction of the tea duties. cause the farmer asserted that he was partially distressed— a pledge from the Ministers of the Crown, not merely of
That was an undeniable proposition, and he believed there he was not to be partially relieved, and because mire- economy and retrenchment, but also of efficieeey in the
was no man in trio country but must approve of it. Re strictea competition was sow to be the rule, you would not establishments. (Cheer..) Ho warned the house that the
did not, however, see that it was at all necessary to pest. remove • restriction which prevented the farmer from same causes of dissension which rendered the former
pone the question of the house tax until the question of growing his barley. Now, barley was a grain in which ministry No weak ano so incapable, in spite of the many
the tea duties and the malt duties was considered. For this country was unrivalled ; in its wheat it was virtues and talents of the men who composed it, and of the
his own part, be should be very glad to accept the offer to equalled, sal might even be eurpas.ed, but in that crop it genius of the noble lord who presided over it, still ex-
remit one half the malt duty as an earnest that the Chan- was unrivalled; and yet you would not remove a restrie- toted; and in his (Sir E. B. Lytton'e) mind throe causes
ceLlor of the Exchequer would, as soon as possible, abolish tion which placed an impediment in the way of its conics- would still prevent should that government return
it altogetherailear, hear.) lie thought the country owed a ton. That was, theo, an injury to the farmer and the to power that unity and firmness of purpose
deep debt of gratitude to the right honourable gen- consumer. It was a precise, and elaborate rejection of which could alone render effectual its own desire
tleman for having been bold and honest enough one of the most fertile sources of revenue that Pro- to remove abuses, and which would alone preserve against
toapropose the reduction of the tea and the malt duties. vidence had ever bestowed on this country. (Cheers.) the attacks of its own supporters that balance between safe
(Ministeeial cheers.) He differed altogether from those hon. gentlemen opposite meant to say that they objected to reform and hazardous experiment, on which in his con-
who contended that no benefit would be derived from the tax the householders for the benefit of the farmers; but stance he believed they must depend for the continuance
repeal of half the malt duty. He looked upon that reduc- this amounted to a declaration against the extension of free iif their prosperity, and far the stability of the monarchy.
tion se a boon not only to the consumer, but to the landed trade beyond the classes who lived in towns. (Ministerial (Loud cheers )
interest also. He said that it was right to give et cheers.) They could not object to the house-tax itself ; for ?dr. OLADSTONE—If it be any satisfaction to the hon.
great a boon as a reduced duty on tea and malt, but there it was a tax which had always been selected as a proper baronet, who has just sat down, to widen the question now
was no necessity to double the house duty. Why did they tax by all their own authorities. Mr. Mill said that of all at issue, that the Speaker leave the chair, in order that we
not adopt the proposition of the hon. member for Lambeth, taxes the house-tax was one of the fairest, because it fell may proceed to the consideration of the house tax—to ex-
and place a probate sal legacy duty on real property ? upon men in proportion to their expenditure in tend this queen., in the first place, to a de-
Why did not the government carry out the Witham tax to their establishment. Mr. McCulloch again had anticipated tailed discussion on all the most important items
the whole Mums of the country without reservation/ That the very measure before the house. That eminent person of the budget—and to pass from a discussions of the nature
tax was now only collected on 190 minim's, whereas some years ago proposed to commute half the tea duties, of the budget to an eloquent and elaborate defence of the
the income of the:country was fear hundred millions, the tax and to do away with some objectionable articles of excise, general policy of the government—andlikewise to enter
upon which, if levied at 3 per cent., would amount to twelve and at the same time the reduction of half the malt duty ; upon a most spirited vindication of his own character and
millions, instead of five minima as now. He (Mr. Ali:oche and the substitute he recommended was a house tax—and conduct, which, as far as I know, have been impugned by
would have the income tax go down as low as the man at that too, at a time when the window duties existed. no man—(roars of laughter)—it is a satisfaction ut which
12s. a week, who would be gl id to compound for the pay- (Cheep.) The hon. member fur Lambeth (Mr. Williams), I for one should be most sorry to have deprived him. But
mint of it by a reduction of the duty of 60 per cent., which advised on this occasion a different substitute—the Wen- on the part of this house, and on behalf of the principle which
was now levied oa such necessaries as tea, sugar, soap, and 'ion of the probate and legacy duty to realized property. regulates the conduct of public business, I cannot refrain from
tobacco. Why sot cony oat the Stoma tax, not only to Clearly if they reduced their indirect taxation they making an appeal, and from mantas out that if it is really
part, but to the whole et the property of Ireland? He WAS Milt increase their direct taxation ; and the simple intended thaws should make progress towards a decision
sure the gentlemen of Ireland would not condescend net emotion was, which is the best sort of direct upon the measures of the government—(cheep)—it is most
to pay that tax is a iair proportion, when it we. imposed lazation. No doubt the feeling out of doors was so strong important that we should condescend ,at whatsoever sacrifice
on every man with Ilk. a week. He also thought that the and in a great degree so reasonable with reference to the of our own oratorical prepossessions—(great laughter)—
duty on tobacco, whisk was WOW from a thousand ft twelve probate and legacy duty, that if these taxes were retained at to approach the consideration of these measures in their
Misdeed per cent., sad whisk mama so mush smignikei ell. they must inevitably be extended to all property what- natural order. (Cheers) Upon that ground I entirely dee
and actually was the SAWN et 2.llo)MoonsWho swum (Hear, hear.) But it might be shown that this cline, with my hon. friend (Mr. Walter), to accede to the
to Imprisonment between 11143 and IMfs timid beredesed to proposed substitute was, in regard to the principles of hon. doctrine that the vote now before we or the vote which we
Is. It, thanked the house fee the heeds they had given gentlemen opposite, far more objectionable than that con- are called upon to amend in a committee of ways and
has, and all he wished to press im the beam was, that templated by the government. Not only all political tem means, is to be understood as a vote of confidence in the
times should be a reduction eta tea sad ea melt. and that nomists, but all tolerably educated men, agreed in this— government. It may suit the convenience of persona
the revenue should be kept up by greedy askasamy the that taxation should fall, not on the capital, but on the ex. or of parties, sometimes of one and sometimes of another,
Mum tax. pendithre. (Hear.) When a tax was laid on expenditure to attach to a discussion respecting the taxation of the
Sir B. BULWER LYTTON said he was not about to the man taxed was stimulated to make up the amount of people the character of a vote of confidence or of no con&
follow the hon. gentleman through all the tapirs mi width his tax by his savings; but when the tax fell on the capital dence. But I say, on tbe part et the House of Commons,
be had toweled. It was true that the whets gasetion of no such stimulus was given, the deficit was not repaired, that nothing can be more dangerous—nothing can more tend
the budget was before the house, but he mega net touch and, in consequence, there was an absolute deduction from to corrupt the House of Commons, in the discharge of its
on those points on which all parties were egewed. the relief the wealth of the nation. (Hear, hear.) If that, then, high functions, than to allow considerations purely political
to the ookteial had shipping interests. With respeet to the were true, it must abe admitted, that of all the direct taxes to become the governing and determining motive in voting
income and property tax, to which reference had been made on capital' that which was mat direct was the tax upon for or against particular taxes. I hold, and have ever held,
by the hon. gentleman who had just sat down, it was a legacies and bequests ; and, accordingly, it would he found that your primary duty, the most elementary, and the most 1
question so large in itself, and which by the amendment of that Mr. Ricardo had singled out the legacy duty for con-ancient certainly, and I think the moot important, among all
his hon. friend the member for Montrose was so osinpikated, demnation. It was a tax, therefore, objectionable in your duties is to provide the means for carrying on the public'
not only in its details, bat in its principles, that it was ine. principle* and it was indeed necessary that they should service ; and I say that you cannot exercise a deliberate
possible to discuss such a question fairly unless it were pause been" they increased it to such an amount as to and dispassionate judgment on the provision of those
taken on a later occasion, set apart for the purpose. (Hear, render it a risk whether they would with safety to the means ; you cannot arrive at a safe conclusion respecting
hear.) But as in the meaawhile the principal objection to finances ever be able to remove it. (Hear, hear.) The the method in which the funds necessary for the public
the measure of the government was the proposed extension hon. member for Lambeth aimed his proposal at the land- service are to be obtained from the people, if you allow
of the area of the tax, it would be well that the country lords. But who were these leviathans ? The fact was that yourselves at every stage of your progress to be thrown off'
should he aware that his right hon. friend the Chan- the average annual income of landowners through- Irma the consideration of proposition or their intrinsic •
cells of the Exchequer had acted not on the harsh, but out the country was onl 1501., so greatly was merits in order that you may take views bearing upon the
on the mitigated principle, which was in strict con- property subdivided ; tad It would hardly be fair interests and the convenience—l won't say of " obsolete
formity with the evidence which hail been given before the to lay a fresh duty on land until the House of Com- factions "—but of political parties. (Cheers.) The ques-
committee on the income and property tax, and that, mons had repealed the whole of the stamp duties. lion. tion before us is, whether we shall consent to entertain the
so far as the extension of the area was concerned, gentlemen opposite objected to the extension of financial propositions submitted by the severnment, and
he had acted in conformity with the unquestioned the area of the tax to the 101. householders; shall accordingly proceed in committee to examine them
champion of the industrious chases, his hon. triend the or to • nuiversal doubling of the tax. With respect to the in their proper order ? I think that after what took place I
member fur Montrose. (Hear, hear) lie would not enter extension of the area be must say that he did not see how on Friday night last, it is impossible for the h -use
on the question which had been raised by the right hon. they were to avoid applying to a house tax the principle to refuse to go into committee—(loud cries of " Hair,
gentleman the member for the Janiversity of Oxford, as to upon which they based the property tax. It was their hear")—and I for one cannot divide with the hon. member
bow far a speech of Mr. Pitt should induce the house to business only to exempt that class at which the wages of ' for Finsbury, if he should press his motion to a division.
think that it would be a imam on the tuudholder to di- unskilled labourer commenced, or only to stop at that But at the same time, although I go into committee on the
minieh • tax derived from profits. lie took it, that they point at which it would be either unsafe or impossible to ground of the understauding which has geacrally prevailed
were all agreed that it was no longer to be permitted to tax collect the tax. (Hear, bear.) The government was told and on the ground of practical convenience, I ant bound to
in the same degree the income of a man who by no fault of that this proposed boon tax would lutes fore with the say that I do so, under protest, and for two reason, I shall
hie own might lose it to morrow, as the income of a man elective franchise, and drive off the register many thou- state to the house. The first is this,—that for the first time
who derived his from a property which he not only enjoyed suds of the 101. houeeholdein That was no doubt within my recollection, and probably for first time in the
for his own life but might bequeath to his children. Ile a grave consideration ; but there was • still graver recol cation of much elder members, a budget has been
would suggest the serious consideration of that question to question to be met. The 101. householders formed the most prtaenteit to US on the part of the government in which I
gentlemen on both sides of the house; fur what had they important portion of our electoral eonstituencies, and it he- presume to say it is nut professed to provide for the err-
head in speeches delivered by two indieiduels, came • matter of grave danger, if that clam which could skis of the year a single farthing beyond what is neees-
so prominent iu position that one or the other exercise so great en influence over all taxation, was to he ' eery to meet that service. (Hear, hear.) Thu Chancellor
must be a leading memher of any ministry allowed to stand altogether from the taxes which they had ot' the Exchequer, it is true, in the figures he submitted
which might hereafter be formed ? In the !Meech of the the power of imposing on others. (Loud cheers.) Were appeared to show a surplus of 400,0001. • but that 400,000!.
right hon. gentleman the member fur the University of thahposition, indeed, to bo eufortril by a deliberate vote, which he will apply to the service of the year is not money
Witted it was said that any attempt to enforce such a die- the House of Commons would be sanctioning that principle, raised for the service of the year ; it is simply and solely—
erthatioa of the tax would oe a positive honesty ; while in by which all uncient republics were at first corrupted aed and it is the first time I have known such 1
she speech of the noble lord the manlier fir London there I then destroyed—that principle which justified the people a proposition—so much debt which it is proposed I
Wee strongly pointed out the danger of departing from a of France preferring en abielute scovernmeta to all virtually to amigo to that purpose. (Hear, hear.) 1
principle with regard to the imposition of the income tax, the risks of democracy, via, the confiscation of lln former years you found it convenient to borrow money, !
which lied been established by accrues of euereseive paha- !revert, fir the b• melt of numbers. (Loud cheers.) lie ,to lend out again for useful public works. The right hon. 1
meets. This naturally suggested the question whether it had one word to say of the farmois as tar as they were con- gentleman (Mr. Menai) pays it is necessary to put an end
was desitaide to destroy the first government which bad sensed by this question. He wasted hon. gentlemen oppo• to that system. The repayment of the money will then .
endeavoured to estabiith * principle ap valuable to the Me site to dainties Jr m their minds the spectre of "couipensa• come in at the rate of 400,000!. a year; and what ought to
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oestrieus classes, or whether the principle °i nn tax should lion." If compensation were indeed Fought for, this re- Iho done with that money borrowed by you to lend out I
be entrusted to the direction of thou who, as a duction of half the malt duty could only be regarded as a I again for public works? It is a question lam seharned to
government, would entertain such a diversity of opinion miserable dole, utterly unworthy of the Home of Com- I ask; and there is no man in this house who on hearing l '
with regard to it. (nears hear.) lie came now to the mons. (Cheers.) At the same time the relic f resulting that question would not say that the money borrowed
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question of the duties which it was proposed to reduce, and from that reduction would be real and not delusive. It public works eh raid be applied, as it coots
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the !pe result gentleman
is that
the house tax, which it was proposed to double. If a was a real relief to agricultuee,—he 'vented, however, not eltioetion of the debt incurred by you. (Hear, hear.)
philanthropist were to have to choose the done which he
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nbeti t tihte mwaansn ernoatioll theulw difisaritthien which the1 he nitwit :al tto
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was to reduce most beneficially to the people,. the malt duty
in which he makes. no provision whatever, ion his own anew-
sail the duty on tee were precisely th.'e which he would relief was off red, which, went to rs move discontent and to' I protest that he ought not to subunit an estimate for the year
select, and yet it was said that the people erould have pre- alley disaffection ; and in this Metier° it wee, accordingly,
fined a reduction of the duties on paper and on soap— not the amount hut the spirit in which the hoon was ten- Mg, beyond the absolute minimum of a farthing for the sa-
(inet hear)—and that was said by that very party who hail dered, which might have the area of reconciling suffering I vices he 'Oates are required. The other ground on which I
away' held that the first duties which ought to be reduced interests to that crisis which a change in the national policy protest against the mode and manner of proceeding of the
should be the /own article, which contributed to the physical had compelled them to undergo. (Cheers.) an g The House of 1 right hon. gentleman was that to which I alluded on a
sustenance of the people—(cheep)—amt although there had Commons felt this in dealing with beeped ; it was the spi- I former night. I then took the liberty of requesting the
helm some peso win, had been found ready to assert that tit, the motive, the manner, the inclination, which made 1 right hon. gentleman to consider the proposition 1 then
mew Ingeinasat feria, yet he foyer heard that ray all the difference between the government which Ireland ' made. He did hot think fit to do so, but gave a negative