The Express.
London, England, 1864-07-15 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY -EVAINIPTO, JULY 15, 1864%

of the current year, the expeditors being larger thin that
of the preoeditg yeas, we, 154,0001. Lastly, he explained
the coediting@ attached to the guarantee, ithludiug the
unction of the colonial legislature to the contract epos
which the arrangement was founded.
Mr. ADDBRLEY said that epos the whole be wee pre-
pared, after the statement of the right bon. putletuth, to
give his rapport to the Necood reading of the bill. It was
quite true the eolooy could rake the lean itself, bat it was
obvious that the guarantee of the imperial treasury would ,
enable them to raise so much of it se was guaresteed as
terms so much more favourable that we might say it was as
moistens, from England to New Zealand to the amount of,
perhaps, 20.0001. or 30,0001. • year.
Sir J. TRELAWNY maid it would, he believed, be better
to Saks the whole expense upon this ethatry than by guaran-
tees to lead to • hopeless confuses" and complication of
Seance hereafter. He hoped the seeeed reading would not
be agreed to.
Mr. J. B. Smith, Colonel Sykes, Mr. Moose% and Sir J.
D. Hay spoke against the guarantee.
Mr. WHALLEY suggested that the Roman catholic
=ware at the bottom of the insurrectiou in New
Mr. C. FORTESCUE °burred that it was acknowledged
that the system of colonial guarantees was objectioaabth
and that every such case must rest upon an exceptional
bask ; and the government rested this measure on the
'wood that an exception had bees made out in the case of
New Zealand. He replied to remarke made by Sir J. Tro
lawny, Mr. Smith, end Mr. Yowl!.
Mr. COBDEN felt very much indebted to the boo. mem-
ber for Tumble for heeling brought this subject under consi-
deration. There was this vomiter difficulty in soy proposi-
tion involving our relations with • colony, that if it was an
abstract wane it was counted out ; and if it was brought
forward as it had been that night, they were met
by an extraordinary cuocurnoce of the opinion that
the priociple was indefeasible, but that this was an
exceptional case. (Hoar, hear.) What were they asked to
do They had • debtor who owed them 500,0001., and he
said that his credit was not good in the city, bat that if we
went security for him for • million be would pay us the
300,0004. lie wanted to know what interest the peopled
England bad In this matter. If we wanted to be
let us think of the taxpayers at home, and not orror.
people living in New Zealand, whose 01111111111 raised them
unrosaaorably above the people
to of these islands. akar,
bear.) For what objr ct were 'eked pay this toothy I'
The hon. and learned member for Sheffield said that we
were bound by an irresistible arectseity to exterminate the
native population of New Zealand. He said he
told the house en twenty years ago, and he seemed
rather grieved that the proms was bung carried out so
slowly. The boo. and learned member had not told them
how he would proceed, and whether he would use strychnine
to effect his purpose. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Cobden)
thought that the hon. sod learned member rather presumed
oo hie long career of somotrioity when he avowed a doctrine
which wee fitter for a parliament of Thup than for •
civilised and Christian assembly. We had, in fact, n
kneed in fighting this battle, of which every one knew the
meaning. The settlers wished to take r 0•11011600 of the
saline land. Wool was high, and sheep were very probt•
able, and the Maori's Christian neighbours were anxious to
elbow him off his posesesioos. (Hear, hear.) We had parted
with all sovereignty over the colony long since, and now
our commercial interests were likely to be seriously impaired
by the wane which we were sow pennies.
Lord STANLEY said that, having farmed his opinion on
this subject after eossidesuble doubted hesitation, be was
anxious to state his names for the vote he was about to
give. lie objected to this guarantee on the ground that if
you were bound to give assistance to the colony you adopted
the very wont method. Nothing was more tempting than
the proposal to serve your irked without injuring yourolf ;
but they all knew what was the result of giving amok in
private life. (Heir, bear.) He would rather have
paid New Zealand • sum of money down than
give this guarantee to enable the colonist' to
borrow money at four per cent. inste:i of seven.
The difference to the colony would be a payment of 30,0001.
a-year, and if the house should come to the ocuclurioo that
they ought to help the colony in • Athena' way, it would be
beater and cheaper to pay the 30,0001. without hoping to get
the money from the colony. (Hear, hear.) The one thing
would be • temporary evil, bat the other would be relying
on the responsibility of the oaken far the payment of the
capitaL He had sot heard what aseurity the ooloay could
tire far this debt, and how it ever soul be repaid. (Hear,

Sir J. FERGUSSON mid if the question for their con-
sideration were simply the one raised by his hon.
friend (Mr. Mills) be should vote for the amendment ;
bat the noble lord and the bon. member for Rochdale had
put the matter upon a different footing, sod if they now
voted against the bill it woe'd mean that they desired to
sever the castigation between this country and the colony.
He did not with to go so far as that, and he thought that if
the government would promise that at a future stage of
the bill they would insert a clause that the legislature of the
ooloey should bled the oniony to repay the future expenses
of the troops quartered there, the bottle would agree to this
guarantee. (Hear, hear.) And before they smut to a divi-
sion the government ought to give an monstrance that they
would oppose the principle of attention of territory by the
colonial government. (Hear, hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON said it had been stated that the
government would exact from the colonial legislature pre-
cisely that engagement which the bon. baronet thought
would be satisfactory. He quite agreed that much of the
doctrine laid down daring the discussion went to tie length
of casting the colony *drift and be was not InwPs_rsd to
concur in that conclusion. This was a colony founded upon
expectations and engagements that the immigrants *Meld
receive that protection which the mother country had
afforded to all her colonies. This colony was thriving, and
her revenue progressing in • most satisfactory way, sad
therefore he could not agree with the arguments that they
should deprive the colorists of the mew which would mist
them in bringing this war toe conclusions ( Hear.) He Isoneated
this war as much as anybody. It was not a wet aria* out
of the seizure of laud, but from the murder of mew, and was
wholly usconnected with the question of land, for no land
bad been taken except with the consent of those to whom it
properly belonged. The table lord (Stanley) thought the
New Zealander should bear the whole burden, and urged
the house not to step in to assist them. (Hear, beer.) But it
should be remembered that the esmstaooe now given
would not fall woe the ratepayers of this country. The
oohle lord had, however, not contented himself with silkier
the how to reject the hill, but he bad ran down the credit
of the oolony, for be said the debt would at some future time
be repudiated, and that the guarantee would fall upon this
country. The colonists, w boo they went its to Biennia et, would
be met with the obeervetioe, " You are • pop:* who the
noble lard mid are not to be trusted," end they might be
prevented from obtainieg• lona at all. The reel qualities
was, did they wish that this unhappy war should bebrought
to • ekes, or would they allow the Mamie' to be neenefuL
and that the interests of the Queen and all concerned should
be sacritced! He could not believe that the house wished
for each • remelt. The moaner the war could be brought to
a emulation it would be better for all parties • for there
were about 10,000 of the civil population; of New
Zealand under arms, and that of mune satisfied a great
expense upon the government of the colony. The security
of the colony was ample for this loan—(hear, hear)—and the
only question was whether in giving this guarantee the
colony should be enabled to borrow the money they re-
quired at 4 per cent., er whether by refusal, it they Amid
pay 7 per cent He believed the house would commit to
the sawed reeding of the bill. (Hear, bear.)
Major STUARTuked whether the government would in-
seri • chum in the bill requiring the oolonial legislature to
biod the whiny to repay the money.
Mr. CARDWELL said be would undertake to hems a
clause which the colonial legislature should agree to before
the loan was raised. (Hear, hear.)
The borne divided :

For the escood reading 92
Against 53-37
The committee on the WI wee then Sited for Moeda/.
On the order of the day for going into committee of
supply.
Mr. D. GRIFFITH said he wished to ask • question with
regard to the terms demanded by Pruaeia for pesos with
Denmark. He bad heard that the demand was eleven
millions and the posaresion of the Danish Suet. He asked
the noble lord at the head of the government whether he
would allow the Danish feet to be disposed of in that manner,
and bow far forbearance iu this matter was to go.
Lord PALMERSTON said the government had no infor-
mation on the points to which the bon gentleman alluded,but
he should very much doubt whether such • demand had been
made.

Mr. B. FITZGERALD—Hu the noble lord no informa-
tion whatnot no the subject?
Lord PALMERSTON—We have mason to believe that
proposal, have Wan mad., bet we have not beard that any
conclusiona have been come to.

the act should not extend to any establishment the persons
employed in which wen males over the wee of fourteen
years. . .

The amendment wan agreed to, and the bill weed
throagb committee.
TUELNPULE ACTS CONTINUANCE, ta, BILL.
The home wont into committee ea thin bill, and the
&mem with some verbal amendments, were agreed to.
Mr. COE proposed the addition of a clause, terminating
In A next year the act 3 and 4 William IV.. cap. 100,
hiataW "Aa set foe 'optioning certain powers to the
trustees of the road from lEminUsh-town to Upper Hollo-
way, in the county of Middleman."
The clause was added, sod thebill se ameodsd was ordered
to be reported.
COURTS OF JUSTICE MONEY BILL.

The o ;Is ;To; the ;We/ reeding of this bi l wu &-
charged , and the bill withdrawn.
THAMES EMBANKMENT AND METROPOLIS IM-
PROVEMENT (LOANS) BILLS.
This bill was road a third lima sad pawed.
THE lONIAN ISLANDS STATES ACTS OF PARLIA-
MENT REPEAL, go., BILL.
This bill passed through conialittee.
MILITIA PAY BILL.

This bill also paused through 11 oom mit47), with the addition
of the following clams, inserted oo the motion of the Mar-
quis of Harlington : Whe a volunteer who has been
punished for • from any annual training shall sub-
sequently thereto serve for anadditional year or years for
any annual period or periods of training and exercise from
or duriog which he absented himself, he shell be entitled
to receive the same beauty which, under the regulation
under the act of the 15th and 16th Viet.. cap. 50, would
have been payable to him during or in respect of attendance
at training and exercise."

described almost as a lithe god, so mush was he respected
and beloved by the ishabstasts of his legality. This
gentleman, he stated, lived at Elydsoliam, and was about
to start • directory, and le wanted • clerk and
ourseser to get up the Naar and addresses.
Eventually lt'Veut advanced the 100/. to Magarigle,
sod an agreement was drawn up between the former and
Broughton, in which 11' Vasa was described se • thick and
traveller, whose salary wee to commence at 781. • year, and
to be increased by 121. per annum. Broughton further
agreed to keep him in his employ for not lea than ma
month and one mouth's notice was neosesery on both sides.
As security fur all monies received by him, ll'Vesa
posited the sum of 1004, such 1001. to be returned by
Broughton at the tiros of ll'Vean's leaving him. This
agreement was signed by Broughton, to which • clues was
added b 7 Keighly, who agreed, in cue of Brough-
ton's failing to do so, to repay out ot his own
pocket the 1001. advanced by lit'Vesn, so that the latter
felt himself perfectly secure in any come. He
(the leaned ssrjeant) need hardly tall them (the jury) that
he bad never received one tallies votary, nor that lee bed
never bad his 103/. returned, although he bad made re.
patted applications for it. Broughton was living at Sydeo-
ham, but be Lad nothing to do with any directory what-
ever. So much for ld'Vean. Now for another cue. On
the 11th December, 1864 a Mr. Edwards went to the
*Bice, when an arrangement wu entered into in which be
wu promised • situation at 1201. • you, aid on the faith
of that agreement he deposited mot in the hands of Mr.
Broughton in the same manner as M•Vean, bat
he did receive • salary for two or three
months. The next case was that of Mr. Fowler,
who had been a soldier, who had deposited 501. with the
prisoners in March ; and Mr. Groves galled upon Mograrigi
and so plausible was the tale told him, that though be bad
no money he actually borrowed 3001., which he paid Ma-
garigle, and for which he received a most elaborate spa-
meet, and would it be believed that upon that mum
Magarigle was good enough to become security for the re-
turn of the 3001. He (the learned serjeant) would now call
the attention of the jury to another case, in which Keighly
was more immediatel concerned. On the 27th May a Mr.
Burton called upon le, and eventually he advanced
2001. upon the faith of ngbeing takes into the employment of
Keighly, but fortunate) y for himaell be ooly advanced 1001.
in cash. giving the other 1001. by two bills of 501. each,
which he Dow of coons would not be called upon to pay.
There could be no doubt that at thin time both Keighly ad
Magarigle knew that they were in a gist* of meal , far
actually in April Keighly was in Wbitecroesetasist Prison
for 3:7., and Magarigle bad obtained his release, so that
Burton could enter into his areas. Them wore three or
four other cases against the prisoners. In August, 1863,
they re:sired 2001. from • Mr. Fraser. They had also
received 2.11. and several smaller rums, which showed that,
though they baited for flee flab, they did not object to the
smaller fry in several cues. A person 'tamed Con, • large
builder, had put his head re the sgreeeneet, but it was not
alleged that he was in say way mined up with these frauds,
but rather that he had signed the papers se • mere friendly '
adios towards the prisoners. No doubt it would be coo.'
tended that all there agreements were made in good faith.
Of course if the jury believed them to be go there would be
an end to the matter, so far as criminal proceedings were
orxerned, and the various prosecutors would have tome*
redress in the civil courts ; but he could not help thinking
that the jury would look upon it in a different light, sad
find the pi-tamers guilty.
The different prosecutors were then called to prove the
above facts, and the examination and arcesexamiastios
lasted for several hears.

For the defence it was contended that all the money had
been received in good faith, and that if these proosedinp
had Dot been instituted all would have ended well.
The Common Serjeant having summed up, the jury, after
• few minutest coosultation. returned a verdict of Guilty,
and the Commas Beriesot eenteacied then., h 1 la and
Yeigbla► to eighteen sad Breaghtoe to 12 mouth,' imprison.
meet with bard labour.

This MN 0000pissl the Common Sarjesat ft= 10 o'clock
until 7 io the amass, cod boiag this last cam of the "or
violas, the court was idjourood Rota Monday, the lrith
August.

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.

WESTERN ClRClJlT.—Wnicinarsz, JULY 13.

(Mors Mr. Jnytice Byles.)
171 INO7OIIOOI CODVICT, GOODIXOCIGH.
This primmer was indicted as John Goode' umiak, alias
Swat", alias Williams, aged 29, a meaman, and in &Mitten
to being liable to transportation as a convict at large withoat
kayo, there were no ler than six 11.60%111 changes of herglary
against him on the calendar, be basing brakes sato sad
robbed the shop of Joseph Bryant, at Warblingion, of
jewellery, watches, &a., te the value of 1121. • the hoer of
Samna Wheeler. at Alverrtoke, of several artistes of fan/-
lure, ba ; the home of Thomas Cook, at Alvenitoke, of
watch. wormy% stamps, aad other articles ; and the hews
of Walter Peat, at Paribas', of @Doorplate and other arti-
cle; the hews of William Joyce at Winch/Mee, of given
articles ; all in the moeth of DeceMber last.

Mr. Bentham with Yr. Rumsll peomouted ; the primmer
being uadefteded by couneel.
The prisoner oomplaieed of the great prejudice eidatiag
wind him in this count , wishing the trial removed to
London, and he pto challenge no less than tweet'
jurymen in sueessaioo u they were celled so be swam oa
the trial. Having gone the limit is this way allowed by
the law, primate summed a violent coarse of conduct,
attempted to leave the dock, and when prevented, throwing
himself on the ground of the dock and lying there as the
cam proceeded.
The burglary et Warblington was goo* thrice'. During
the sight of the 11th December, the shop of Mr. Bryeat
was entered from the back of the premises, and the whole
of the removable stock of jewellery carried deer off. The
prisoner was detected by pawning certain articles in the
neighbourhood, and wading others to the pawnshops by a
sister of his who was lodging with him afterwards at Lead.
Port:

The hour of the offense Gould Dot b• exactly fixed, but
the jury !mod the primer Multi of housebreaking, aid he
was sontroced to be kept is pasha servitude for 14 years.

IBONMASTERN QUARTERLY MEETING.

JOLT 14.
The great meeting of the ironmastera of this dis-
trict was held in this town this demo° ; there was • very
large &Madame, sad more of confusion and excitemest
has seldom been experiesced on an occasion of this kind.
Immediately after the sesembl7 had met it was intameted
that the pnos of Shropshire mg nos wee reduced 10s. per
ton. For that which followed, the readers of the reports in
the Srpress of what took place at the Stowpony a fort-
night ago, sad at Wolverhamptre on Wednesday, will have
been fully prepared. It was announced that lir. W. 0.
Foster bad resolved to reduce the price of &aided iron
11. per ton. making Staffordshire ban AI. 104, inetted of
91. 10a It was Mated also that Medea Height sad
Co.. of Wolverley, had come to a similar determination.
These derdaratices produced the utmost consternation, but
that this was the proper coarse to pursue there are few who
have any knowledge of the Mate of the trade at this moment
will not readily admit, and had the step which bee now
been taken been adopted at the preliminary meeting, the
trade would have settled down steadily at oar, and orders
which have base withheld would have come in freely. As
matters now stead all is cadmium. Thee was scarcely say
Weems done today ; bat the prep *Maim wee, that
the trade will now recover Half s • y, and that cedes
will be gives out forthwith. coon there is no
alternative for those who stuck out for the aid
prices et the preliminary cassias( bat to follow the example
of Mr. Foster and mince, so that the reduction will soon be
general, sod applicable to all descriptive of finished iron.
A greater mistake has never bees committed by the trade
than the last adman* of 11. per ton price to the January
quarterday. This wee the view taken by some of the beads
of the trade at the time. The result shows the sottedases of
the opinions at that time entertained. Is Staffordahire pig
iron scarcely any busimie wan dom at this mamas. At
the reduction above ansoneced in Shropshire pig, the pries
of cold-bleat iron of that district is 54 per tom ; hot-blast,
4!. 6s. Nailrods are down 1/. per too.