The Express.
London, England, 1852-03-26 00:00:00

LAW OP WILLS AMENDMENT BILL.

The bill for the amp mluunt of the law with regard to
the ion of wills passed through committee. after
some discussion. It esntained only the first clause; but
the Loan Cu VICILLOR stated that he intended to lay on
the table a separate measure containing the two other
clauses which hr explained on Tuesday.
THE EASP INDIA COMPANY.

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The Earl of ELLENDOROVOIt hoped the noble earl
opposite (the Earl of Derby) would permit hint to ask whe-
ther he was prepared to name a day for the appointment of
the committee upon the Eaat India Company's charter?
The Esrl .1 DERBY said he had already given notice of
• motion for Friday, the 2nd of April.
The Ear: of ELLENBOROL7(iII perceived that in one
of the rs ports (and us only one) the milit hon. gentleman
at the beast of the Board of Control (Mr. Berries) was re-
' presented al basing said that on moving that resolution in
the other hois.e it a .is his intention to state his views on the
subject. Ile (the noble earl) could hardly believe that his
right hen. friend, who had only been three or four weeks in
could he prepared to enter into a full explanttion ;
but it wou:d certainly be a great satisfaction to him to hear
Prom the noble earl that it was not his intention in any way
to commit himself respecting the arrangements which were
to be made for the government of India until after the'
amplest inquiry. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of DERBY could not of course say what had
been the praise language used by the right hon. gentle-
man, but be thought it prob ible that he (Mr. Berries) had
only said he would state what would be the course he
should think it expedient to pursue in committee. Ile
(the noble earl) should certainly not feel himself justified
in entering into any of the details or amendments that
would mere properly come under the consideration of the
committee. Amy observations that he might have to make
would be of • very general character, for be was very de-
sirous that the government should be guided by the infor-
mation which would be obtained before the committee of
the other house. {Hear, hem)
THE IRISH LOANS.

Lord 10:STEAGLE moved for a select committee, to
which the tre.sury minutes providing for the repayment of
the debts due fiver counties and unions in Ireland might
be referred. The noble lord went ism the statistical of the
various advances, and declared that though Ireland had no
wish to evade the payment of her just debts, she had just
reason to complain of the improvident way in which a great
portion of the money bad been 'speeded.
The Earl of DERBY had no °Nestle* to the appoint-
ment of the committee, whose duty it mould be to silt and
examine the accounts submitted to them, to strike a fair
balance between all parties concerned, and then he report
to parliament, with a view to some legislative essiginent on
the subject, fur he admitted that a recision of timber wee
necessary for the purpose of affording relief to those losali•
ties which had obtained the advances only for the peeping
of preserving the people from starvation.
The Earl of GLENDALE espremcd his satisfaction at
tha propoeed alipainticent of the committee. WNW wes
completely covervrheliwd by the sum whir:bolo V2B 2148111
on to pay, as by the Jewish rate of interest charged en it.
It was imposeible to go on in this kind of way, for the NOM
Ireland was distressed the more did parliament seem do•
tinwined to tan her. De viewed this state of things with
profound disgust.
The motion was then screed to.
Viscount TORRINGTON, who had given notice of a
question whenever any papers had been received from Cep
km on the subject of the uiffermsese existing between the
Bishop of Colombo and his clergy, said he had teen in
erwissunication with the noble lord opposite (the Earl of
Desert), and lie agreed with him that it was not dream le,
under present circumstances, that the papers should be
produced.
The Earl of DESART expressed his satisfaction that
the noble sismunt had not thought fit to call for these
papers. The subject should have his best attention.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TimisDAY, Mtacn 25.
The SriAims took the Chair at a quarter before four
&dock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The followieg bills uere read a third time and posed :
East London Waterworks; Mansfield Gas • Patent gildl
Sewage Manure Company; Scarborough Market sad Ap-
presehes ; Wolserhampton flu; Bills.
PARLIAMENTARY EXPENSES OF PRIVATE
BILLS.
On the motion of Mr. W. Parris, it was mimed OW
the fees payable at the Roues of Commoss for 'slime jim
perm and documents be reduced from 6s. and la. Is As.
mad 6d. respectively
METROPOLIS WATER BILL.
Lord J. MANNERS moved that it be an instrection to
the committee of selection that they have power to fix the
committee on the Metropelitaa Water Bill for Thursday,
the Ist day of April neat.
Mr. B. COCHRANE believed that this bill, which had
endinated with the lots, MA boa takes up by the ymeest
government, wadi ast nes* most the min oder which
the metropolis we math. ism the ,'Mat bail supply
of water, both mto quantity se4 vaßty. It did ass sea
go so far as to esspel the meeqsa t. to pewits a esZeitss
every home. The 17,400 liners which were sow
say ow* of wan would remit iiitatatit this bill, shish
•••••N WIWI' tb•l • lopyly inestirimitildbe shaded is
say sesammea tits relmeteslAseityettbeestepayses.
4
evs..-,ft.,,,,i-nbi I"l"7l`Zetga
the lower Masan. wit= to the bin, its may
siVerserea Ishe he the a wham
I. manna sapiiiipel **the he ow pro
*el we asennoy be se* OS W tiss warn bib shield
p beton the emithialso Is bilisi so this respeetive
merits, in the hope The. 55mr~...1.1 Omit se the
evils of which fhe hem goatimella
Viscount EBRINOTON het sotii tbe plielMS
proposal, that all the wain billy slssaid be relmared to the
seas manatee.
Ms. T. DITICOMBE esesidinitie et pest Implores*
that the qualm of the wait lemply se the astrepolis
should be andel seed One was ais lenolf tinir ors*
to sa slily sal satlAtetory totlisnsed is ths worsztyy
were sou gds/ as, Sr it was ad Itbse the
by the isommilses would burnisele in sisal time Sr say
saeessre lepon is the pissese miss. Ind year a coma-
mitts* set kw sin wake, mil aloft& sari ides* la-
ea lbe soblesk ad loins to be seposeled Ost
Os ebelemaa et Oat esirmilisei liirelibt lon amber Sr
*pea. did sot penile min Bos sonsines et Ols yew.
Me would Um la ea seisnesiisalibot ibe tesorielsos
power to take 'Mime SIM mit Sr pan* end remoda
oni OM they be isms el to d their salads. to
*is MR .
A* a hnay
er weeds bestir I. Ifillarterw.
The /MARRS enesilAint the namdment mad he
yet so a seholeadive semis% ani me* gluon
Mr. T. DIINCOMBII wadi ' glee mass ibis Sr to
(this day). -- ---- -
The ameadneat was asessdio* widths*, sad the
original notion agreed to.
LONDON (WATFORD) EIPIPO-WATRZCOMPAN Y .
Mr. U. T. HOPE myindesil Wit the ablest et this bill
was to amble the compeity to draw a Imo silo* of water
ken the asighbeerhool et WOW gar he supply er he
isenspelle. Osepsnal soiheiliss hail esessionsd tint
Owe was so worries valuate 'et mat 41 12ts.
mamba is the 11,40114_42111ii5t. OE
&Map some me.whish le
timi sopply, ma mei_ ei Iwo bed et 12
silbsavidetosse la in ors.nielea Mailman
who were Dow per er oridnat tint
assmary ei Its sad health: TM it Os yam
ems,
bad bees reputed by Mr. Rebels sod the eon-
sanisa et enimat shce by In Ins preins-
meat. Ind Ilabpa Sot . VV. isSidlailliailk lit
gma issupsdiss, awl ' lho toally. la addition
to the ademempse of in midi seatiamos supply, it
wee pnyand ia die bill to dist etbn post heard*"
ebespasse. The Margo et * Wen Mailmen sad seine
- other seuesesks was at the sides, U. N. pas 1,000
• whereasthe sharp of this anyway mead sever gslleoui
airs thin O. o'lll,olo Kellam Ile uniserised he was to
be opposed by the revs, -mistatisPes of the di water sem pa-
YOB wits, he wee told, were very sesetese is the bowie,
bet he bad csaiblease the bill amid menthol/se be read e
8101611 time, sa4 referred to the committee with the
ethers.

Mr. RUMMY opposed the
it was sasooessory ;
doe distriet wore o✓

it oa principle. Admitting
metropolis was defective, to
eery they should infringe e
showed, sie he could, that
ors the possessors of those rights for
that could be given would be other that atee.cary- , fat
convinced that the house would reject the bill. Amongst
those who had reported in favour of this scheme there VIM
ranch discrepancy as to the area trona which the with
would be drawn and the quantity. And then, supposing
the chalk in which tine water lay was permeable, if sny
large quantity were drawn away it would leave all the exist-
tog wells sad the numerous null-streams d y, as had been
the ease when the (trend Junction Canal Company's well
sank into the chalk stratum some years ago, was pumped
fur ten days at the rate of a million gallons a day. The
loweredp company could well aiford to sell their would a
prie than the old companies, seeing that the
take that which belonged to others, who, if this bill pared,
would bare no means of uhtaining compensation for
the great *jure which would be inflicted on them.
He moved that the bill should be read a second time that
day sit months.
After mine discussion,
Mr. T. DUNCOMIIE said the metropolis needed not
only a plentiful but • pure supply of water. (Hear. hear.)
There could be no difficulty about sending this bill to al
committee, by whom its merits world be investigated.
Hon. members hail been deluged with papers in opposition
to this measure ; and it was abundantly clear that its real
opponents were the old compani.s, who had 86 representa-
tives in that house. (Hear. hear.) He hoped the house
would insist on the settlement of this question in the pre-
sent session.

Mr. HUME hoped the 86 members referred to would re-
tire, and not vote on this bill. This had been done un the
St. listherine's hock Bill, when the members interested
were challenged, and were obliged to retire.
The house then divided:
For the second reading
Against it
PUBLIC BUSINESS.

Ma
the—lnak-1 eay ,r thre
we Gila . tried ti Si and oar emmileg."
To that be would say—scowl He would tell do Was
lent that be did sot with to see the bantam of the
country polled down. Al IN he dared is. Is en
abuses removed and the hinheillthe eigenstbenell. Let
each of the three estate, minis he owe position,
alike independent in Its eleetenelasee% sod 1* its
powers. Ile did not want to ' take tree the Howe
of Peen eir lota of their privileges. He einewledged
L. 4.1.4 worere oft. meta atsi a
hastier agar Mime-
. w
oes 604 We piper oreatisa,
et her emg ease ot agit Mk met be seppard, there-
at's let ke WWI lo hakes ma ea jest privileges.
The setae lord at the heed el the poormest would tied
Idea a reedy, eye, and a neaten ,Matra of their just
Mlever ready to defend the with immiln. But he
to see the Weems et the porn coelleed to he lip!
timer spire he eigneed to We laterferiag with the not
bona of the He would ask if there was say
men in that been who theeght that the Rouse of Com-
?moms woo sow a fell sad fair representation of
the mem or the eeminedly. If any lets. meekest
t se, let bin by and bye then teen
We *pinkie le Se country; and, on the ether
ha•
nd, if all IMO ;I to do that, then was the aye-
tem evidently and, though hon. members
might not agree nil sea the means of regeneration,
they ought to delimit best to secure a useful alteration. It
was a prineiple of the Whoosh of this country that every
man should be tried by his gallows, and on that principle
were founded all theirseeendings. A different principle
however, prevailed with eegard to menthers of parliament:
The electors we met aimed to choose it their reprem
toting any prim Wermeted with the landed Mesa
'fere me • pram& gealikatlem et NM for taw% eri
1911. ilargeTdissenl MO nab Se Weer maw
Weak wee elemetemse that Is liestrod therm re
required. He empiamell Weir um
ifsrilireemotiowere, under theme* epleewmeeepor
NMI la thee ; and he moiled es the beers %se
gm the seethars which existed mat thus to
hem the pipit aniends of greet themedent and
ties. As it precent moment. whim sterly everyone same
emplephdo might hear little to alma them. Still. MI
any ben to a 'evoke arnably in whit& the
quart on how far that house was a faithful re-
tirements% thethuntry, mad he would soon find that
men of all Wei eat the anomalies sherd be
moved. •We rem ma* aim at effecting *all AIM
in dm et gamed, ma pens. They should prepare he
the storm in time, not kneeing when it would come. Should
a state of things again sties dinar to that which existrd in
1812 or 1813, when a *Mies seism were out of employ-
ment, who could say amemedd be the emit i The people
would fall back en whet They Maw to be unjust,
and the most serious Wed use. If this,
opinions were now, there be ems gonad for objeet-
ing to them. lle found, however, that very many years
ago, on the 25th of May, 1792, in a petition presented by
Lord Orey—not the present Lord Grey, but the Lord Grey
—from the friend, of the people, amougct whom were, he
believed, Charles James Fox and some of the fint peers of
the day,. and through other channels, were sweated
opinions in favour of the reform which he (Mr. Home) now
advocated; and it was by such means aloes that this coun-
try could be enabled to bear the competition which would
ere long come upon it ; the mar of the country having then
become interested in the preservation of order. The noble
lord late at the head of the government made use of en ex-
pression the other night which he extremely regretted to
herr, when he said he was ready to vote for an extension
of the suffrage to all who were worthy to receive it. Ills
answer to that was, that he would not accept the suffrage
as • favour, as it was the right of Englishmen to vote.
(Hear best.) As to the effects of parliamentary reform,
atm Lee Derby admitted that on looking back upon what
lid MOMIni mime 1832, he could not perceive that the pre-
ren of the crown or the rights of the peers had been
trod with. It was admitted on all hands, in fact,
so far reform had red of the utmost advantage to
,sentry, sad he that lieglaad would nut have
..........,,........... a spectacle to other
If lia bell sot been passed. The ex-
atLTiolintaA' arealltage so it bad tended to check what was
termed "the Mier demurs y." if there were any dan-
ger in this imemey it seal wry be when It was lawless.
As to the Nadi et ;ho amsorst," km marl that the
dmatatay as ma ligli le iam le b • support cf
their us MOO es soy IN of their fellow subjects; and
be repeated, to Mee der just rights was the most
likely war to preserve ilit eights of the crown, of the
Hone if Peen, mil of the whole esemaity. Ile
might pa* *Jay aillatitiss I. Avon of hie views.
Tin besseefillg, the abswillor, ad she *mad et=
seat "Am nee so gem eat. be hanellei bow.
who me Whom to ppereawemN,e the lesitatim of the ism,
try an Is teens the mprannia to their 'enmity whisk
sow MIA Agee with Ida Id pulsating the P• of
this IMMINA nom was whip mg pm .1 the smog
Obkh olis on vying with OW pees hi der to
the beet Ilmehrery for mannthertheleg puma 1=
thin me in progress but the Hiss of Crams. That
house was the taxing machine of the country, by means of
whiehowery man's pockets were emptied. (Laughter.)
For meek a purpose they ought to ham Mo ben possible
ma nn that could be obtained. The Mese Mad be
done to Seam inequalities, to place eneyelog la due
propene, and to place the mass of the mmeeennity in a
position to dims the wisest and meet suitable OM MO their
repramMOMM. He had heard it objected the if the
people bed the power which he demanded for them they
would etEt.the it properly. It was very may be ear
on sash Let them have an opportunity, red be
had we he saying they would avail theemellthe M
it. AS pare the mass of the eiremity were
literally 'se lag Is the representation : thaw were
taxed by a flew g cod the ormasen we let the
taxation we meth mpg mad wrest, ad Ember
had to beer a it greater prepertia thadaq mat or as.
How could the vetoes of taxation to Mersa Wm the
people wen bemsetly represented ? Let the hem mesa-
bet the ademes wish rend to Ile. Ahem la 'Mem
to whisk am Mte man bed inkeed he hipper thee Ire
felt Mose to have bra ingelap elerna of Wt
bed he
sat spa the inquiry he mid We Meg spine Musa
(flee, hear.) On all those park, bads' at the kr
pram sad meerity a sue a amen es eat whish he
=klO iminime wham, Wake the soh el the
IMO ids% be Alt aseiM IW army et the
younger makes of that boor mead Me le see the day
when a &Mei mein of weal be amid to the
m) Asa find Is the sem, as a
MIL le lesiz Wi...,. frigid to the Gammon,,as sae who
as Wwm all OWNS prielper k the beadle
of • just Wm of rep resseisise be breettist the
house to oh. Ise beet allsolies ID it whet.
The heimiW man having lead ea NOW has a
peeks ene sere* lehabiteato to Norwich, emplaning
of baggy .id is the enniaipal seem He
weal mime . ming he here Seeks la a " bill
to meg : the b. eriarliag the
skein Marehlee Wales,* that emery mu
et fall age, and not to any maned or had disability
who shall leave lees sealeat occupier W a bona, or
draft if a hems a lap; he LI mole plea have
bees sly Wei Its 110 VW ef Mal pale Ith lei ices,
ail be regiseera am dense, owl he MOW to Me hr
a sipmentative is parkereat:—Ake, by mai that
ieW shall be taken by hags% that the denim of paw.
weer ea met meld three years, and that the premiss
or sopossoolslivas no mons Ire comiseset with the emusVIVI llLlTSlTrisseniied the nelisms wed is aim so
Shea bib*. Mori het emermese vie asie
headilto pawed the palest ma theeelorks Wee house, sad
nesmpatekte hie Ile the leepremin whistles irederidomtly
weds set maq os the nosh, bat ea tie hem. It might
be ham tot been IN meek of 11111 rapeasatativee
lied supperla the seed* el his he. kind I bet he (Sir
Joh* WeirWraee
yky) had we WM ties that amber would
be eery very gently Lemed.beer.) He
Wined it te be MINk II Witint M tans. TM notra
breve/M. Irma wee laid ea medirmaq sal Pees.
TM semi ari
is berm eta's et el vemesmisOM bed
fregrady
s* the rmies es ham mead
so lane Mil Wla its pellisthe that it right me be
Massed IsMirmews st
:vile el word laselssillsirinselegi:g a ; bat
muse eela-
the to names to Sir =
remaraimel bin to =lt media ea what be
Is be the Wee esiosay Wired by a Imo wejnity of
it ',this neotry. These mesh* elemaltbe "brief
ega to the pola. Whoa the amble
Ire/ his la, he (Sr J. Walrery) tea ,nine
to seer IN it weal met base the resat or the naimmes
'Meant.
eSabinneet ens* MI
thee a he- wee . mew_ etalliessMksbielit=
led had mamma lib Mae to TIMIS the whole
mow Whemeretlisagaliei arid posed to that
man, be (lb J. W weldmarsaiod Ma to
tag Mr hI Mdse dm important peat of
Wm whisk sum left est el the hem
end Whisk me seem of Worn weal be
ersiond by the people of this Meatry—ho aimed te
the peteitios of the simiiir bi,
su: wk.. Rh Ws els.
Virse tie meets ;rimed the noble lard the per
orithe City al Larks was disparity between the
=U and smog imam. He saw no mesa ay it
be a is the ea ,eras sod 2111. la the other ; sad
sas th
theeh harie
atiMessmlssdielsZersPusibed is
tilt that
he aig were waseee-44 len Ord it the ess of
Withal he Vera they wield per Anus am
usamorMis:tlts Ait it es At the
=l=s ; sod la le IN, whom treete
sapper a mean le enure
the lame* melee of the freaddie. The
pope** ii ealloshies by the paymt of leas.
gasymmeto copa elip is the sight aileseise,
toil= as the bads et
bet al4hei rei•-paybq erase Tire=
evil' 0 _ gebka peal meson, sad
up • sem tern, ebinmery, sad 41
night be ase Isskelis le reiliply imam the
hem& faxisoly reperealed, bet be was st a hes to me.
Weed law the mob* kett emeld jafity the seliM Ilf
twe 'aerobe's to mm eseriemeies emi the rasa iem
a One
to ielpeetint titelene 41sIds% * Ho le Willitletithl an/
awe ityperies. Ps. eassailies do airs a the vres.,
Ma, lie waspernadied k was the say eared itag Oil
remon the enielinAtensee of dieseedent, and
M sows the eon epee of the country. Ty entilay7ersiaa
elapsed ere the noble lord the member for the City of
Imes introduced the bill under the provisions of wide

1, ' 185

. Its 4dheM, there e,..._
as a eels dry meenelni.
I rendered more
se. The red non
accorded the
reed of praise for suet in
representative system, and .dd.
they were manta,' indebted fdt
many of those mei.... , which would ever shed lustre on
the masts of oar country. Whilst, Dowsest, they freely
admitted the benefits, they could not eltut their eyes to
the defects. They knew that the bill introduced by the
noble lord was shorn of some of its fairest proportions, and ,
came forth a compromise of • first lateen, and to sonic ex.
tent an abandonment of the declared principles upon which
it was framed. The evils of rotten boroughs were only
partially removed. Surely, It wee net unreasonable to ask the
revision of • system of repereentation which after
90 years' test was found inadequate to its declared purposes,
and which was generally admitted to be a censure on the
intelligence of the age. In all respects save one the nation
had pursued • career of program and improvement ; sim-
pered with 20 years ago, the population was vastly seg-
mented, and with the increase ire numbers there bad been
more than a corresponding increare in intelligence, In the
knowledge of public affairs, in the desire for participation
in political power—compered with 20 years ago, our com-
merce bad assumsd • gigantic form, conquest and colonisa-
tion had either preceded, or gone hand is hand with, corn.
merce, and, whilst new realms had been brought under
British rule, our sons hail found now paths for industrial
enterprise, were extending our language and our laws, were
foundinginstitutions still more liberal than our own, and
were enforcing the recognition of them institutions from
the imperial legislature. The records of our literature
during the same period showed an unexampled diffusion of
every description of knowledge; each day afforded illustra-
tions of advance in the arts, in science, in literature, in
commerce, in manufactures, In Het, in all that could
distinguish a civilised, industrious, end growing people.
In broad contrast to all this steed the fact, that there had
been no adman se improvement in our representation.
fine-sixths of One Wulf male population remained excluded
been vein la fermiers the laws by which they were
MOmMtls eir lane distribution of the funds to which they
Ontelbuted m bier a proportion. A paper laid upon the
of the louse gave the number of votes in the United
done as 1,056,187, being I in 30 of the population, or
lin of the adult males. The division of this number
amongst Id, mombers, who had seats in the house, gave
about 1,600 wan be **oh. Ile said votes, rather than elec-
tors, because amp persons had double, triple, and quad-
ruple votes. There was no return of the number of per-
sons holding than voter, but it was estimated that they did
not exceed nose marten of a million. These statements
appeared te him te involve one of two propositions ; either
these were sit millises of adult males, so del/Geed by lent).
else, vim, II UMW mend disqualifications, as to be totally
walltesd fee the morels o' potential rights, or there was
• grow monopoly of those rights, to the grievous wrong of a
west mujurity of the tax-payers of this country. (Cheers.)
Boa. gentieuteu would not cast the stigma upon the great
body of the producing chums involved in the first of
ens propositions. They must, therefore become the ed-
elweiss of justice to men who, ensurpasse'd in industry or
insist virtue, were, nevertheless, so stigmatized by the
Illey set of exclusion. (Hear, hear.) He had stated that
the gross number of votes by which this house was culled
together gave an average of 1,600 to each member; but
there were IS geutlemon in this baton, or a clear majority,
who represented only 141,372 votes, or 430 each, whilst the
minority, or 327 members, represented 908,815 votes. or
2,779 esich. These fatty sufficiently indicated the inequali-
ties in the verities constituencies ; but, with the permis-
sion of the house, he wished to submit one or two others.
The constituencies in the United Kingdom were 373, the
pen member of votes, as before stated, 1,060,187, giving en
nage of 2,816 to each constituency; 140 of these consli-
Weed's were greatly below the average-83 as greatly
above it. The 200 consisted of the most inconsi-
derable portions of the kingdom, and return 433
members ; the 83 embracing the great oats of industry,
wealth and population, returned only 723. The average
number of votes to each of the 443 members was Odd, toe
average of the 223 members was 3,534. (Hear, hear.) Our
electoral system might have been invented to art reason and
equity at defiance and to afford a premium for every corrupt
and unconetitutional method of determining our elections.
(Hear, hear.) The extension of the franchise to many of
our large towns had been rendered almost nugatory by the
power bestowed elsewhere. If he was showu the wealthy
and populous borough of Salford with one member, he
pointed to the nomination borough of Caine wither member
also, the one a tree constituency with 2,400 electors, and
the other a proprietary borough with 159. If shown Man-
chester with 12,000, or Marylebuise with 18,000, he pointed
to Thetford with 210, and to Knareaborough with 2.4.1), the
two smaller boeongbe with 440 electors, equally in represent-
ation with the two larger ones with 29,990 elector,. These
facto demonstrated the probability of neutralising
the efforts of all the large constituencies, by
turinasalliag the power of the smaller oues against
theta. Let them, fur example, take a group
of bereegba, and place them against one cenatitueney.
There were in the house 106 gentlemen representing 02
atiestituencies, in which the greet number of electsrs was
silly 21,131, about the same number as were contained in
sae metropolitan borough sending only two members.
These 106 gentlemen, with 21,131 electors, might neutralise
the MN of 106 oths r members, returned by constituencies
with an aggregate of 631,900 electors. Again, the last-
named 106 members, representing more than one-half the
electoral body in the Ceded Kineum' stood in the rela-
tive position, as compared with the whole house, of 106 to
650. Incredible as these statements might appear titer
were sustained by the papers laid upon the table of the
house. The figures were equally starteing, whether they
compared boroughs with boroughs, or counties with counties.
There were 12 county members, representing an average
eau/Whalley of 273 electors each; 12 others with 581 each ;
12 with 788; 12 with 1,595; 12 with 2,7116 ; and 12 with
an average of 6,810 each. Of these 72 county con-
stituencies 60 had 106,669 elector', whilst the 12
nembered 111,462. The 60 sent Oil members, the 12
Indy $4 members to the house. The right lion. gentleman
the Channher of the Exchimmer bed, • few evenings back,
some of times dispmi*t he (the Chancellor of the
retelyser) bed shown use uirities in the representa-
tion of the amities. But seeing those disparities he did
hope that the tight hon. gentlemen would not shut his eyes
to others, wbish psewd still asolge bonny spots the lower
orders. TM Ma. gentleaseinasst he aware of them ;
and, if he desired to remove them, dwir (le reformer.)
would he gin to help him in doing en Meer, hear.) Sofa-
dent bed hen mid to show that the preent mode of return-
ing members le the house was not based em resin or ho-
misty, sr tbepeissiples of our constitutions Ry roma of the
numerous weednetion boroughs, the interemeed thdr tern'
Ltdisrwer. and the Chandos darn, the peers were
to end into this house a solid* wrearest of their
relations sad seppotters to dictate taut to every Mahn-
Wenn. Nee was this the only evil, the arrimensed then
!selves wire chess& from this class, sad gliemns nil pines-
seekers enter through boro Pa-
Manage is all powerful, or where an
.entoipotent. Perhaps them might Ise eat sisimpldes in the
peasant government, and lio Wig glad to see net there were
1 several Independent geed** in the anshlry. (Cheers.)
latimidatioes corruption, Sea unions modes el demeralin
des were the esesequeneeed lee rgelltai tad 6111 Nem of
Commixes, hasten of being • reel eigementattem of the
whole people, was virtually the repeeselatation of the peen
the army, the navy, the church, and file goverment
(Rear, hear.) The ellen of this slam nn the taut*
sad expending!, of tie ershery were sa unequal and op-
gneiss mode of Wag the se, by which the One
mai of MOquentry were restricted, sad to Midi
ma monk Men* deteriorated. The burden wen
made te peen in tft hmmerretio-of the power to mends
lightly whose mean were the
gegielimi tims the distr flu
ibution - arth wlsse
of tlieP7ue2
de kis was had for the public *min
On ihe the of those who could corn-
meal inframe. There might be those
who _ threger ,in • plan which would
Ibrie tr liendad the number ef elenewin *
II pies. Is believed stash egelefxr. Lie
b• allogises.....
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_.i 'be &WM. If any, week' eries •
son, me avaliani to act justly %pnlista
.lati-i-,7410 not—-
only
bpetheir rights, but their power to enforce them.
of labour, equally with the employed, agreed
die extension of the franchise without the ballot would
better than cannery. Ile spoke under correction ;
tt
hot *believed they Raked no mere than the eonatitution
Vato them who bars the burdens and fought the
ne state.

• The Imre Torbert/it by the /!..=ms,
Ile. =HST DIMUIOND rose,betwea barely rear.
The bons ember we rieratood to say that the promat,
doer ==ied peetadeb *as certainly a eart
owe ter i the gesetlea of reins, be upon'
the ellemliee et Woe do lax et entre belay
=sedeereemmt rereet, w every leo primal&
I:: &ire err relay es hie 'Grasmere' es bet as
peril.. le beer= dit demereashad base beeeeld in for
, tbe loyeermear he ow elpreatedo weer, sr are now
'odes tali et do rem - Thb serfth4 rad the ger
ties wee the oftere et the georemisat, and leo Al lope
that they rule est, me erre gerarrate bad roe. pooh
posh a wren of sub hapertmese—(heer. bear)—.
sad allow IS to be ands um et or et 6111111 foe
iheliems perm His oloestiss, le do Mae re.
data hal sever that it 0111111111114 a• pare& (Moan hear.)
is did net re what eemerelem la led with the .bathe
* amedare roe thee 91. lea; He belleved that the pro-
p" Imlay ewe would be S. ors the pserion
stare seremarive with merles be 11M stabs. A
arcs Imo pre .be satisfy any ediester, but if be
bit stoeft date on n soldier sr so.. EONs son,
he remit be seta rd le the =errs et tho framers&
(P Wiz) Whirr* la slather
bashie en verb
es edonalleme isareteree beta boa ho neer to
my bet Sr. He alludedSe the whisk be err
Weed to be an affair of the rear raledialy, sr that if
dry ward to rut they sherd be eopoperamel to
de is. (Hear, Mar.) it they for Is are
=R to stead on eat
vgaris on re when
vet.., he was quite Mend to thous=f
vase. (Laughter.) Ho Ord the rierelso upon
lira as thes the trawalreAsyld raitably tele=
her. bet dialbses wen resides to
yea added to IlioirV at roses 14171111:otides:a filar
things to similar bet to the prow body of electors
added • Limo ilitirellil u very differeut kited. To illustrate
lit° this he would take lb* OW lithe so banks, where he
luund that while titore , IMO depositor, of
2001. each, the aleurbse of under 201. was
1177,600, au indication that if you e the franchise as
was proposed, you would hand over the electorate to the
poverty of the kingdom, whose numbers would swamp all
the rest. With respect to the property qualification, he be-
lieved that it was necessary, mud that do reason urged

•

grainst it—tamely, the aimber of fictitious qua:illation,'
was a ese, end, if rieegniaed, might laid to the de-
s of eserjassy boxes and other national apatite-
. • alb away mkt the property qualification would
Bad to an equalttpef poster between rich and poor, and that
would soon result in an equality of property, as the hung.y
animal would soon come to a tussle with the full one. As to
the noble lord, the member for London's plan for balancing
the landed interest by extending the agricultural boroughs,
he thought it founded on a bad principle and calculated to
perpetuate that war of classes which, more than anything
else, was to be deprecated in this country. The noble lord
had been twitted with the narrow basis upon which he had
formed his administration, but those who twitted him knew
little of the difficulty existing in such cases, for the prime
minister had not only to consider who would be the best
man for his purpose, but also whether some enlightened
constituency was not likely to prefer an empty chatterer to
a great statesman. (A laugh.) Ile thought the best plan
would be to treat miuieters as the servants of the house, to
tend fur and interrogate them when necessary as to the hots
sines, of their ecveral departments, and by so doing they
would in his opinion emancipate the government, and as a
general rule get better servants. In conclusion, he
would say that if ho were to take up the pro.
fession of reformer, his great desire would be to
reform the House of Lords. (Cheers and laughter.)
It was there that lie felt there was the weakest point in our
constitution. The power of the House of Commons had
increased, was iucreashig, and ought to be diminished ;
and he wanted to strengthen the House of Lords, in order
that it might be able to withstand the encroachments of
that house. Ile objected especially to the system of proxies,
and also thought that a great improvement might be
effected by giving the crown power to appoint peers for
life. There were many men a ho might render good ser-
vice to the state in that capacity, nod yet had net means
to transmit to their heirs for the support of a title. (Hear.)
Sir W. I'. WOOD thought that they were more
especially called upon to enter upon the discussion of
this question at the present time, in consequence of
the principle of government which had been laid
down by the Earl of Derby. Ile understood that noble
earl to lay it down as a principle that he was not only op-
posed to proceeding any further with the bill that had been
introduced by the noble lord the member for London, but
had also declared in unequivocal terms that the principle of
his governm sat would be to oppose all the attempts of ele•
magogues ; in short, to sustain monarchy against democracy.
Now the noble earl, in the use of the word " democracy, '
had no doubt taken the course indicated by the Attorn,y-
General in a former debate—that of calling out " mad
dog" against anything to, which he was opposed. The
word democracy might be a very good or a very bad
word, according to the sense iu which the noble earl
had used it. If he contrasted the noble earl's port lament
with that to which be had succeeded, he would ask, had
that government ever done anything to advance democracy
In its bad sense which meant insurrection ? (Hear.) lie be-
lieved it would be found by all nations very WPM that there
was no safe basis for government except confidence anti
die affection of the people—not merely their affection,
which might be only an impulse, and therefore uncertain,
but their judgment ripened by political education, which
enabled them to know who were best fitted to exercise
the functions of government. Ito asked, then, was the
noble earl who talked of setting up the monarchical and
putting down the democratic principle prepared to limit hie
confidence in the people of England? (Hear.) If not pre-
paral to limit it, he (Sir W. I'. Wood) asked on what
grounds he rested the claims of his government to power ?
Was he prepared to say that the franchise should never be
extended? If so, then would our present register constitute
a monster demonatio oligarchy of a million end a half, who
would ultimately rule the country to the exclusion of the
rest of the people. (Hear, hear.) It was the want of con-
fidence in the life and energy of a nation that would destroy
ally government, and he would say at once, let the noble
lied say what he might, that no government would stand
fee many months in this country which should commit the
fetal error once committed by one of the greatest of our
psiblie men, that of declaring itself against all reform.
Why, oar whole life in this country was ono of progress,
and why should we stand still in political development
mere than in anything else? (Cheers.) '1 hey had heard
a singular doctrine from the hon. member who bad just
eat flown, who had deprecated reliance on the people,
lest that reliance should be misplaced. If, he would say to
that hon. member, there was danger in admitting a larger
number of the people into the con,titution, would the dan-
ger not be lust the same in keeping them out ? The hon.
member had next said, " What have we to do with the
' ballot ?—it is a question for our constituents." Ile replied,
true, but unfortunately the constituents were not in a eon-
, dition to help themselves. (Hear.) Ile believed that all the
constituencies wished to vote secretly ; he knew he
did. And therefore he thought the honourable mem-
ber's argument most extraordinary. (Hear, hear.)
Bat they were told to beware of democracy, and to look at
the condition of France. Ile load looked ei great deal at the
condition of France, and he had come to the conclusion
that if we wished .
.0 avoid tho calamities that had afflicted
France, we must avoid the errors into which her govern•
wens had fallen. They all knew that before the first re.
+elution there was a system in which the government was
everything and the people nothing. They had never any
political education except what the lawyers acquired iu the
beat parliaments, and the nobility were exempted from all
taxation, while the people were heavily burdened. The
consequence was that they soon rose in one of those tremen-
dous insurrections which he trusted wo should never see in
this country, and had been in a state of confusion ever
*Mot, grasping at a system in fragments, and not trying to
build up anything of their own—now taking something
from England, then from America, and out of them vainly
attempting to frame a constitution. But nothing of Out
kind had been witnessed in this country, where confidence
was the hasps of government, whereas in- France the
most prudent of her kinss, Louis Philippe, had
no confidence in the people, nor • hail he given
them any rational exercise of the franchise. Nothing
of the kind had been attempted. (Hear, hear.) The
French people never knew what it was to bow to
the decision of a majority, or to be guided by public
meetings, except in the cases of a few clubs in
Paris—that was the state of things which they were told
'ought to frighten them, and prevent their giving the people
of this country their just rights. He (Sir W. P. Wool)
amid that that was exactly the state of things which should
,be a warning to them that they ought to give the people
those rights, lest they should be forced to admit them to
the privileges which they ought long ago to have ola•
mined. The hon. member for West Surrey said he did not
know what the roustitution of England was. He cell
t •inly did not appear to know, because be seemed to
think that small boroughs were made a part of it for the
purpose of admitting into parliament men of ability, who
might otherwise be excluded. That might be an ad-
vantage, but if it was, it was only an accidental one. It was
'at one time considered by constituencies to be a burden to
send representatives to parliament, and they were only
given to large towns ; and there was no such intention with
;regard to small boroughs as that stated by the hon. mein.
her. The real fact was that at the time of the Reform Bill
'that was one of the abuses of the representative system,
which, if it had not been remedied and swept away by
parliament, would have destroyed the constitution. lie
knew what the constitution was, which, like the oceenee
law, was not to be found in any written book ; but which,
in practice, had become interwoven with our system of go-
vernment. They hail been taunted, and especially the nobhs
lord at the head of the government, with advocating
continued changes and shifting* in our institutions. Even
if that were so, was it not the very principle of our constitu-
tion that it should be extended ? Had there not been in
the last 20 years development in every thing except in our
representative system ? Had not commerce and manufac-
tures greatly increased, and had not whole towns arisen in
that time? There was one town to which the late govern-
ment had intended to give the franchise of which St.
Albans was to be deprived—Birkenhead. That town did
not exist at the time of the Reform Bill, yet it had now
grown as leggree te be selected for the transfer of the fran-
chise Ikea Ili. Albans. That fact alone spoke volumes. Then
again look at the system of railroads ; that system had
not then egotists up, and what was it now sad large towns
were everywhere rising around those railmaih. He was
glad to MO SO it was sit is 'material things alone that
there kat WM this pot loess ; but there had been a
great advisee In the edulatheal mad intellectual acquire-
ments of the people. The Clods I.llllllllklll Society alone
bad Weed the amber of its pods has 400,000 to a ma-
ths etas. e Rehm Bill, and -there had toe a similar
Mama* wrier ether educational heftiness. Look also to
the solos bane eon to the foi► sad it would be found
that the people had advanced es regarded habits of fru-
sitllll,,s as well r in adulation intelligence.
Y.. the people were going ea at this rate of
all else stand still, and those who had
Ig‘llelfieri /legal, more educated, num intellipent mem-
.rtale inammanity be excluded hot the enjoyment of
edtsallenellielmtt
zu statedd ioftlhe dose.
that
the presentsystem wee 'maintained, that
lie foot' the oaa-
aTe eele-
10th April, there were 200 or 300 men at
MUM ea the houses of parliament, and they objected
t• be sworn in as special constables, saying that
they would be ready to defend the building from say
attack, but they declined to be sworn in as special eon-
stables, to go out against their " own order." Ile (Sir W.
Wood) saw the element of danger in such a declaration.
Let such men mingle with us in a community of rights, and
they would not be of themselves .• an order." (Hear,
bear.) Exclude them from the franchise, and you make
them "an order." The hon. member for West Surrey
said that there was no principle in the bill lately introduced
by his noble friend (Lord J. Russell). It was true that
there was no principle in the question of a difference be-
tween a 10/. and a 51. qualification, but the principle was
' that it created a test of intelligence and an interest in the
affairs of the country, which might be gathered from a man
continuing to reside in a partienlar spot, and occupying a
house, and being perhaps the father of a family. The hon.
gentleman might as well say that there was no principle in
the qualification of a 40s freehold, which was a franchise
as old as parliament itself; and it was adopted as 'a test,
though no doubt a rude enc. He (Sir W. Wood) would so ex-
tend the franchise that he would not refuse the test which was
mentioned by the hon. member for West Surrey, but ho
thought there ought to be some test which was coupled
with the fact of residence, which was most important. It.
was ready to admit, and be proceeded on the principle of
there being no abstract right in anyone to anything in this
country. Ile knew nothing of abstract rights. Every
preen was born in a particular sphere and condition. The
hon. gentleman who seconded the motion odd he could not
understand how such and such things had forted their way
into our cons itution. Why, we hail no cut and dried eon-
initiation, but it was, as it were, a living thing, which
we must mold and reform in the best way that
WO can. We had, however' general principles
although we had no abstract rights, and the first of those
principles was to trust the people, sad to confide in them.

(Hear, hear.) It might be said that the franchise sheuld
I be refused to one set of men because they were not beta.
• cloudy educated to receive it, and to othen because they
were shifting and moving from place to place. That neiala
he so ; but it was monstrous to say that only one milliee
of
j the people were intelligent enough to exercise the right of
the franchise. (Cheers.) That he would never admit. After
the result of Mr. Locke King's motion last year, the news
lord at the head of the late government had decl ired in fa.
your of an extension of the franchise. lie (Sir W. P. Wood)
was delighted, because he then saw that such a measure
would soon be carried, although he had never bated
ono jot of hope before as to its being done sooner or later.
The noble lord had not only made that declaration, hut in
the speech from the throne at the beginning of the present
session there was a declaration that the present state of
the representation of the people was not satafactory. He
(Sir W. P. Wood) maintained that no government could long
exist in office without bringing forward a measure of this
essential character ; and any government which succeeded
one antagonistic to melt a measure would he obliged to in-
troduce souse plan of reform. lie did nut despair of getting
such a measure even from hon. gentlemen opposite. (Loud
cheers.) Hu did not see why, if at the general election,
they pronounced in favour of such a measure, they should
not get it. (Load cheers.) They did not know till then
what was to be done with regard to the grant to Maynoeth.
(Cheers.) They die/ not know what was to be dune with
protection. (" Hear, bear," sold cheers.) Ile believed
that the people would pronounce io favour of reform in
parliament, and if it was not obtained from the 'mewed
government it would be obtained from some other. (Hear.)
That being so, he did not see that any good was to he at.
tamed by pledging members to any specific plan—(" as.'
and cheers)—notil they saw whether they were likely
to get any uteasure. The motion of the hon. member far
Maori:We embraced a variety of subjects, is must of which
he (Sir W. Wood) concurred. But he wished to have an
opportunity fir discussion, and to be free to vote fur any
measure that misfit be proposed. (Hear, hear.) He agreed
with the host. member for Montrose that he should not be
satisfied with any measure which was not accumpeined by
the ballot. Ile would vote for such a measure whenever it
was proposed, but in the meantime, as it was utterly im.
possible that the bill which was now proposed could he
carried, although he would not vote against it, he would
not take any further part with regard to it. (Cheers.)
Mr. NAPIER said that the great objection to this motion
was that, it carried, it must lead to universal suffrage. Ile
had often heard this question ably discussed, and he bad
heard on those accession, from the noble lord, the menthes
for London, such sound constitution .1 doctrines as had ill.
duced him to vote against the motions which had
been inn le by the hon. member fur Istoutruee,
He was unwilling to change that system a hich existed in
England, and which dealt with human nature as it found
it. lle was not averse to the extension of tile franchise, but
he thought in lowering the amount of qoalification they
would not be acting in consistency with the principles of
the constitution involving es they did the maintenance of
the monarchy and the House of Peers. Ile would 1114111.
taro that moderate qualifieetion for the enjoyment of the
franchise which had been fixed, and which was within the
reach of the industry and good conduct of every non, and
by which means every man was enabled, by hi. (, II IX, e-
dema to avail !thumb of,the privileges tdrottl4,l by our tree
and happy constitution. There might he imp. rieettons in
the present system, but they sprung only from the Wiper.
fections of human nature, and any efforts to sorest them
could only be effectual which were foulided on the educa-
tion and enlightenment of the people, and not ennui% shifts
and cootrivauces as the ballot box. Secrecy, under any
circumstances, was opposed to the feelings of Englishmen.
Mr. ROEBUCK agreed with almost everything that haul
been said in reference to this proposal by the hon. and
learned gentleman the member for Oxford (Sir Page Wood).
Ile diffrre d from the bun. and learned gentleman only in
respect to his reasons fur avoiding the complete considera-
tion of the motion at the present time. He (Mr. lior back)
would accept all the reasons of the hon. and learned ges-so
man, hut he would not be guilty of the courage that sug-
gested the conclusion. Why was this motion not now to be
entertained just as well as at any other time? They wen
to look to the history of this question to understand its
present position. A proposition for the reform of the con-
stitution of this country was proposed by the noble lord,
the number for the city of London, in 1531 ; and that pro-
poeition was made an act of parliament in 1832. Tweuty
years had passed ; twenty yearn of experience of the changes
accomplished in 1832 ; and now in Itt32 the allele lord,
acting with the bon. and learned gentleman, the member
for the city of Oxford, had conic forward with a new reform
which was to be a reform of the Reform Bill. Why had
these propositione in 1831 and 1832 been made. Previously
to 1b32 this country had been governed, not an the hon.
member for West surrey (Mr. Drummond) supposed, upon
a distinct system, but upon mere chance and the working of
chance, by the oligarchy of this country. Ile used the
phrase " oligarchy " as heater expressing his meanie; than
" aristocracy." It was by a small proportion of the landed
interest of this country that the House of Commons was
returned. That House of Commons became the dominant
body in the constitution. Thus, therefore. a small portion
of the aristocracy became the rulers of England. Then
there came the Reform Bill. The narrowed oligarchical
House of Commons became a very different power. The
landed interest was no longer the predominant interest.
There was introduced, and there still remained, the repre-
sentation of that large proportion of the wealth of this
country which proceeded from manufactures. But we KM,
and the noble lord no doubt saw, or hit would not have
male his new proposal, that all this wasarnot enough.
Still the representation was imperfect; for there were
millions in this country who had no land, and
who had none of that species of power which
is derived from wealth, but who had nevertheless intelli-
gence and morality, and, with the two combined, had
opinionsus of whicheora Commons.
were deserving
~at was owfanr et gel!
ne a t4,tei oriotuasethe
f
Commons ? They wanted in that house a body of men who
rancho:lgal ftfry the intelligence, and next, the stool
feeling of the country. Was that want supplied ? Would
any one Pay that the intelligence of this country was repre-
sented by persons who possessed land? Would any ono
say that the good feeling of the country was represented by
the possessors of land ? (An Hoe. MEMIIELL on the back
ministerial benches here rose, and protested, as see under-
stood, amid cries of " Order," that Mr. Roebuck ems out
of order in offering insults to the landed interest.) Ile (Mr.
Roebuck) did not understand the interruption, and he was
sure that such an interruption could only proceed from a
person representing lend. (Laughter.) Well, was the in-
telligence and good feeling of the country represented by
the possessors of what was called " wealth," the wealth of
the great mercantile and manufacturing interests ? No,
not all ; by neither laud nor wealth. Therefore they must
take some new means of producing the adequate and
exact representation they sought. There was a great elms
in this country which needed to be represented. He would
refer to the claw of instructed artisans. These bad neither
wealth, so called, nor land. But they had well-trained in-
tellects, as well as well-trained hands. They were men
who, from day to day, by their own labour, secured sub-
sistence, and something mere, fur themselves and for
their families. They were men who in their lives set
an example to other clauses of society. They had all the
qualities, as a class, which good citizens ought to possess.
And yet—he would not say designedly, for he acquitted the
legislature and the noble lord, but as it were pr lam Wass
—these men were excluded from all voice in the govern-
ment of their country. He was not talking for abstract
r;ghts. Ile agreed with the hon. and learned gentleman
(Sir P. Wood) that they could not talk of such a thing.
He did not understand the term, and he would not use it.
He would not say that the men of whom he spoke had a
right to be represented. But he did understand, and would
declare this—that if the intelligent and honest artisan class
ef-thisoestantry wee est represasted, there could nut be
good government in this country. The bill of 1832 did not ie.
elude that class; the bill proposed the other day by the noble
lord still left it out. Now this proposed bill of his font. friend
would include that class. The terms of the motion re-
ferred to lodgers. Take a man living in London in lode.
ings. Why, supposing all the other qualifications to be
good, was a lodger to be excluded? He (Mr. Roebuck)
did not want a lodger in London to be a constituent, be-
cause that lodger would agree with him ; for there were
ten chances to one that he would not. lle wanted him to
be a constituent because he was a man pining his owe
subsistence, because he was an instructed man, and,
thirdly, because he was a moral man. Possesaing these
three qualifications such a man was as fitted to vote for the
return of a member to that house as any gentleman oa the
ministerial beach. The intelligent artisan class was *NM
malelno.thedr
Representatives of land, indeed ! Why, was not land is
other counfries ? Representatives of wealth, indeed
isciringulisvhcodrthyE
Was not wealth in other countries? But that which wit
_
nicTl.heyd, above
o gall
ootthheerr Enryebloisnh;
not to be found in other European countries was a body of
men trained to labour, with vast powers of mischief, but, as
a body, well instructed, well trained, and obedient to the
letter of the law. Clearly these men ought to have their
representatives in that house. Without such represents-
lives it was not a House of Commons. A noble loot (Lord
Derby) had used oertain suspicious phrases in another One.
What did the nehle lord mean by democracy ? lie (M!.
.
Roebuck) could not understand the sneer. "Democracy.
as ho took it, was equivalent to the populus as opposed
to
the plebs. lie did not want a partial Rover!:
meat ; ho did not want an aristocracy, or any
other section to be dominant. lie wanted fret
wonlpopulas; that included all, and that was best trans-
lated by our word " nation." Did the noble lord demos
the all—the nation? There was a new meaning,
ithat
latterly,
to "democracy." Did the noble lord intend to hin
the English artisan class had got any notions about .
'nm-
The
munistic principles? Notoriously they had tote . "
moment a man gained anything by his own labour,
as
the man one might depend on to come forward and soy,
" That is mine—mine and no other's." That was the ma
to uphold the sacredness of property. He (Mr. Roebuck)
_
ignorant and benighted; and he would not say whet they
would not speak of the agricultural labourers. They ..7,
might think. But this he knew, that in the maaufac rth4
communities the artisans would be the tint Tes.,,".
oppose themselves to communistic doctrines. Will, n
these being the qualites, characteristics, and tenel.ie n,c,vo.
the artisans of England, he wished to know from t
pants of the Treasury bench, and from the late min • _
for they, too, were unfriendly to this proposition o alit
hon. member for Montrose—what they were erre id_, the
Ile would unwillingly consider the other Poi'
motion. But certainly the right hon. and 1. aT•
man (Mr. Napier) had made use of sons astoun
o._
meats about the ballot. (Mr. Roebuck) shoe
thousht that the phrase " cal ho72!,7re'.
posed assay front parlismentery vocahnlaries.
tient tin.wer to the " un-En
ballot was used iii all elute+. g he clubs it writ a socutlo,_;.,
lieu' suagestion was I,b_a,t,‘„.
nience ; at the pulling booths it would be a pretest's* 2:07.
political combats. Don't deal with this quest!eo by sr
u"
the right hon. and learned gentleman did not

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C opposed the bill. ea r:',. _..., was, Situtiriel tihey wpm anew stumbled. With all in
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• nnfa=ltto i , 'OW Rohn, •• I her aide, I are guest It, corrected may/ Swain evils, and re,
Admitting veer sup faL ti 0•11 • ,„' • ot try, I madi'my the election of ammtbers to that house.
lefretive, to IMII•nt was Inssibk sp • . ' • of alidielf end My ores& in reform is awry part of the country ace
1 infringe ea jilting rights, 'sad whiniti 'IM w • • which an Paled its the moral ite the meanest and his that colleagues their fun raced
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;old, that this bill would inflict so injury Moos that stand its the prisoner's deak ut which are improvement on our then represented
aof those rights for 'thick no comperwatioa not sewer*, of the month of the Mb minister of the mated that to the reform set they were
wen woula be ether lissu mokkeep, he felt jdm etanttly la the world, I my we eiset that many of these measures which would 1
he house would reject the bill. Amongstl we dull lso . tried by Gtd sed,...mar °outstay." the minds of oar country. Whilst, ha
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