The Express.
London, England, 1852-12-28 00:00:00

welfare and happiness of the ceuntry—by cautious gad r
steady program in this direction—that both in-
tellecteally and materially) alt. coodiMa of the
people may he advanced. My lords, them TO.
; forms will not exclude an amendment of our represnota.
tire proem—an amendment sot rabbits nor beefily takes ;
bet safe, will considered and efficient. My lords, it sea
scarcely be denied that son.. amendmeut of this system is
required, and unquestionably the eyrOlll of the last election
have not been such as to render any one more enamoured
of the system which actually exists. (Hear, hear.) My
the noble t arl on the occasion to which I hive alluded
referred to the existence of • consererive govetrinsent, said
expressed some surprise sad curiosity se to how I should
be enabled to carry on the service of her Majesty, ser-
roauded by those persona with whom I was likely to be
associated. Now, my for Is, I readily declare to the noble
earl that in my opinion no government in this country is
now possible except • coos/treaties government ; and I add
another declaration, which I take as iuduhitebly true, that
no reiveniment is possible in this country except •
liberal government. The truth is thew terms have
no definite meani. (Hear, hear.) I never should bare
thought of approaceing my noble friend the member for
the City 01 Liedon (turd Johns Russell) unless I had felt
he was .conservative, and I am sure he would 'neer have
associated himself with MI 1111104 he tnought I had been a
liberal. Ily lords, them terms it may be coneenient to
keep up for the purposes of party faction—thear, h. ar)—
but the country is sick of these el etinctions which have so
real meaning, and which prevent men tram acting together
who are able 'o perform good service to the crown end the
people. Therefore, my lords, I trust that in every just
arose and in the reputation of the world, whatever the
measures proposed by her Majesty's present government
may be, they will be conareative Niemen& as well as
libsrel measures, tor, my lord., I consider both to be indis-
peneably necessary to the 0041Mtly. Tee noble lord (the
ii I of herby) nisi refereed to the dangers and the neees-
e,ty of reeistiog the encroachments of democracy. Now,
my lord., I run quite ready to trade is resisting the en-
croachments of democracy or any other encroach-
tunit., but I am at a loss to see Islam there
eacroichniente exist, and I look in vain for any
such indication at the present moment. I should say,
on the contrary, that I never recollect this country more
tranquil, more centented, less abounding in subjects of
danger and alarm, than at the present time; and this pros-
perity, this contentment, and this happiness I believe to be
mainly owing to the eysteen of Sir Robert Peel, which it is
our business to uphold. No doubt sper.lative men, end
thoughtful men, have at all times in this country, in their
closets, eons* to the eoneinaloa that the democratic ham of
government may be preferable ta the monarchical; but
thew are not the men to overthrow states, and are, there-
fore, not to he feared in a state of sociry like ours. There
must ski always be men reckless and violent, unprincipled
awl ready for any exam sad outrage, it is true; but, at
the tame time, I repeat that there is kill 1040111 to enter.
bun sueh apprehensions at the present moment than I ever
recollect in the course of my life. (Hear, hear.) I have
great eantidenee in the peopll of this couutry—(hear,
hear)—and I do believe that the imputation, and
[TOO the existence of alarm, at this moment is almost
• lible on the people of England. (Hear, hear.)
My forte, I regret to have been informed that the sable
earl (the Earl of Derby) expressed
i himself its tones which
ind.cated hostility to her ajestv's present goveinuient.
I regret it deeply, beano* I well know the vast powers of
the noble earl. I ant well aware of all that he is able to do ;
but I believe and trust that, if it can only be made truly
manifest that we are sincerely animated by a real desire to
proteute the welfare of the great body of the people, that
we shall have the support of the country, so I am sure we
shall have the approbatios of our own consciences. My
lord*, I now beg to move that this house at its risiog do
adrurn until Thursday. the 10th February next.
The EARL of DERBY—My lords, there is little in the
programme of the noble earl, so far as he has explained it
to-ni4tst, with which I, for one, feel I have any cause to
complaia, and I !should hardly have thought it incumbent
upon see to say • single word, had not the noble
earl alluded to me persenally in • manner which
renders it impossible for me to remain silent.
I would not have risen et all es this occasion if the noble
earl had not referred to the eirounstastes which occurred
the .;her evening, in a manner which Makes it impossible
for me to abstain from some remark, and in a t , also,
which convinces me that it this point the noble earl mast
have bees greatly misinformed. The noble earl has spoken
of the " hostility " whiek I manifested on that occasion. I
can assure the noble earl that anyone who has led him
to believe that I expeeseed " hostility" has greatly
misinformed him. I said, on the contrary, that
-it that moment I was maxim, to forbear from a stogie ex-
pression, is commenting on that which had takes place,
which could is the slightest degree raise a controversy or
prejudge what was se; and I promised the noble earl
—and I trust there was nothing inconsistent with my re-
spect for him in so qualifyiag that promise—that if the
policy of the noble earl should be that which I hoped it
would pm* a be—although from the essoeistioos with
which he werinrrounding himself, I necessarily had some
iloekts—he should receive from me, and from my friend',
if not • cordial at all events a sincere and a conscieutious
support: that he should meet from so more forbearance
than had been exhibited to us; and that he might
rely on not being stet, ea our pert, by any unpriocipled
combination. (Hear, bear.) These were the sentiments
which I expressed ea that Octagon, and these are the senti-
ments which I am happy M have an opportissity of repeat-
ing. I felt, sad I Sul se Motility to the noble Earl
personally. I am eau tint be bimetal would never suspect
me of it; sad en pablis pomade I did set feel, and do not
feel, what am be sailed Melia y to his administration; and
I shall be ingsked es Sad him 416abled to conduct the
government ea prinelpise seal as will permit in. to give
him my rapport 1110111116 lest Meek, used—not ones or
twice, but Am If lin dillie-ibe berm, as pro.
ceediag from far, ef Nasseplamy,"_ iragrassatiag that
I bad Mira that a May bed hem entered into
the L My lords, se ma tepees
km ray Os the best of my judgment, to my
belief sad seavistissi mod as sash plants. (Bear, hear.)
What I mid wee ellbsuries ; and as the noble earl
wee Mime at the perhaps be will permit me to repeat
it la lids presents leesses I em coaelseed, aetwithatandiag
some dasiels with whisk mj statemests Mee bees met,
that to the email be whisk I seated I semi flama, sad net,
as they have hew arpeammealte be, mess brume dells.
felt it was inembest m me on that navies to OM
and to pow Is year lordships that I did sat
and without mire throw up the heavy
lily whisk had devolved ea me is sessgssitse
of sty assigemse ef @Moe ; for •
airealleked see that a seen
leay ressessiblik7 ameba up • ennesim 410 ask a
trait sem am ens& I stated that we bed bass tbdasted
cm my asenal sr betsbens imerSes, es apse my mom af
saber impertmss. I amid nut knee emideeed
judged la sedigelag elm hawsers meth I nig=
felt that s guesiment seam ask eirinmsemess mold te
a aortal& extent be dialsit dim pedbming its duty ia
the maim whisk timid Is deeindits- MOM the poli-
ties et the Ileme of Oseamme at lb, dm sr the bet=
• eiselles; and I sheetel BIM di. al WM
wee is* Mat
of Mee geossmest hod
the sesidsmes by far the let party, woman. as-
reerstresp saw separate party, yet that set
the datise of • NI moiety of the Home, Pr
still
saimassely be In the pewee of all the ether parties,
• sumbirthag en a Ms. be pat the gevernamt at any
time In a rem•it , whisk maid render the nelorstrea of
the gevarament if not bapsestive ; ang I went
on it state—and I am tarry that I Amid have it repeat
this—that frets the period of the general eieMbet Ewa it
ode sae, I bed lesse of a easiest mem diarist
parties in apposition ta the gemesment. swam Ladd am
amid seam and ma as slobt heel ft the emit I Mu
rotated sm. Atm what has, bees mid by the sari
this evening, I. soot,..small him s& beta ac-
tuated by that grave, wbkii & attributed y to that
amen of pa ea. Bet I ant same Me setts sari will
=we me. sad thas year BMA* aot
I am needlessly wombs year Mee. 11 1
mint eat the rem& ea whisk I ilansed that
rwith whisk I did set tumble year lordships cer
ireimer eureka, sad whisk I would set state sew had
set Os aside art Menet ge veal se broadly to what
=t Ndy Mims the spinersl Medea, WINS it was
thM a general elesisa wee IMMedierely
mime addressee were of seem Wood Ss eagle=
titmice by gentlemen regesseatisi all time mdmiss of
opiates, between ski* I emset site., with Ike mile met
is thiokiag there wee a illsdistion wishes& • Mamma
—(laughter ) end seams ethers a right hex helmet wilts
trios fee some yam I had the plume mil the beam of
Uri./ is terms M the (mate* faitimey nod friend-
ship—who bad fenserly, is his early years, bees the
rezerstative or the very radial tassumeney of Carlisle.
restaegneatly lad
wafts plisse, aml
been sennested with AMMO eiselliimmles is Ike inemels,
retuned at It M hl bums smelltemrssf Oarlisie,
stalleeed the mar of his ways as inhistend ismervatire,
sal pesimeed Ids Menem at MapitataehMe We obi Mrs
the sedum of beibte. with wham be VA* Wad:
Ind MENU. I think that Ike mite earl admit that
betties: SX. hem Mama esd as theme wee a diem
mee of out IMMO a very great and
very diabolism addrusing his stimel
taw% rolarker ft &Age at that time made
egahmt boar Naivety's ISM gmemmert. that they
were • gievernmeat pelasigke, sad that
the baggage mad by ask emmettes et
ferent Susi m veep dlainedent. and breseasileshim
the *IS hem haarem. mid that be wield plant w ism
the sue try wee saki it it Maids es me BUM, sad eis.
pie pseud. CealidiMes. be said, had Ina Mimepdlu feems Ike
Cluiref the llett af Derby ; and be maid Os
ain
a Mein waft agar--04, the of gip
ties the gevernmat at the Lai et Deft =.
Ins the quietism an whisk the right hem beirmet
limited all dans st wises to Pia i.e.., and that wee the
single pried* whisk that right ben. baronet avowed
wasld_ gem* his esndset Be stated that for yeen his
Ilk hall bees Mies W pakiie—he stated what he was :
se Midst seismer, a Mend ta the Wank end ether
things whisk I don't remember; bat imode leMelllo
be e that be ebbed by saylasititis sealmeed
to—that he me • &aided eggenest Lead Derby% gra.
veransest• beim theselbseA mesginlbs Med
hes. bereset—~ this. deeisra New
had
I minion* bin le esg, le dm asesenalhe make.
sad esmisimbeidsg. se! Mew, 'Mt isstismes Mean
eememaides 'MMus, whoa egesisesst wlthathr maw
of tke keels eras neerseary to plies the gevessmast he •
mineetty—l=.l on set sunmies Ise emelt when tut,
I amid set en the ihrbessesse Maw deN
hos. bereset. WI heard the Miele muse at pee•
using which Ink pia at Se
at the eseits, and it is sot ken the of
clubs, which I de not bequest, It it is set from
the tittistattle of private sememetisei, whisk I will

r set repeat, but from the declarations sad stetementrmade
In hie plans is yarliiiMent by that right bee. gentleman,
that I mimedinfer, , and that 1 do art a eesepiney, but a
eetterrt titre's different persons and partieefor the purpose,
at the comrsestement of the session. of plaits/ the late go-
verasseet in a minority. That is the whole latest of the
etateusest I mode on a banner oecesio6—that frees the NW.
menossent of the session I saw that diff.mnit parties, in-
cluding among them gentlemea of ..eoeeerestive"
se they professed, were concerting together for toe
purpose of putting the late government In • minority.
fbe noble earl asp that there was Le such
concert, and that as far as he was conformed there was no
such otsjost ; and I believe all that the sable earl stave
with regard to himself. Bat the feet. as to others are plain.
The right hos. baronet to whom I have been referrisg
states that he arrived in town at a late hour of the evening
revive to the delivery of the Queen's speech ; and that he
mamediaMly milled on the noble earl (Earl of Aberdeen),
with "them, he said, he was in the habit of having unre-
served NA kisser ementunieations on political mutter.. I
do Um IMO Is voting this, to identity the noble earl
with dm ;Mimi *ors and opinions of the right
hasssalis bosom t keel of all do I desire to identify
the wale mud with the right honourable baronet's
&Wendell at Carlisle fir the differences may
suggest to the noble earl that there may be some dis-
elmeiggem is I matters even between men sitting In
the sues eskiest. (Laughter.) The riot; hos. barunet's
stateless; however, Is that be called on the noble earl and
vonsellail hiss as to the Name he should pursue with re-
gard to that peressepb be the Qom'. speech which
rehned to the esemeselel edieref the country. The
right bee. bermes. I as bees/ te say, seems to have des-
played 'Mt activity es Me INKOI4On ; for, aweigh arriving
in toss late at night, be had had an opportunity, before
two o'clock no the billowing day, of communicating with
and ascertaining the sentiments of the noble earl and his
friends, the noble lord the member for the City of
London and hie friends, his " hos. fried,' as
he called him, the member (or Manchester and his friends,
Mr. Villiers and his friend.. (Laughter.) With all them
difforent persons and parties the right hen. baronet con.
suited with regard to as amendment or no amendment on
the Mccee's speech, the introduction or the Lon-introduc-
tion of a substantive motion, recording the opinion of par-
liament in favour of free trade. It was, it appears,
agreed that there should be no amendment oa the Queen's
speech ; and the member. (or ae West Bullies and Man-
chester, and the followers of those gentlemen, although
they would have preferred an amendment, yielded to the
objections of those with whom for the time they were eo.ope.
rating, and abstained from bringing forward neat amendment,
leer, if urged on them, we are told, discord might be thrown
into the tanks of the opposition. The I:eech from the throne
was delivered; sad there was a paragraph in that speech,
torichieg on the nati nil commercial policy, which the
noble earl has told us was in itself ambiguous. I do not
agree is that interpretation ; but I think the noble earl
will admit that if there was any ambiguity la that para-
graph, the declaration which I made and the declaration
which was made in the other house by the late Chancellor
of the Exchequer, should have removed and did remove
say possible doubt aS la the intuition', in this
(Uremia, of her Majesty's governmest. (Bear,
leer.) That explanation, however,wee not waited
for in the Houle of Commune; flee the mover and
seconder had made their remarks in urging the address in
answer to the speech from the throne, we have it, on the
declaration of the right hos. baronet, that Mr. Villiers
stooped across to him and asked his advice and hi counsel
whether he should or should not give notice of a substan-
tive motion on .he subject of free trade. The right boa.
baronet gave the advice—which was, that Mr. Villiers
should bring forward a substantive motion; and, in conse-
quence, the requisite notice was immi diately given by Mr.
Villiers. The notice woe given is very general terms; and
it was not until late in the following week—not, indeed,
until three or four dip' of the day fixed fur debating
the motion—that. the. distine.t. terms of the motion

were pet en record. Of coarse Mr. Villiers being the per-
am who pee notice of that motion, it there wean° concert
with other parties, Mr. Villiers was the person by whom
that motion was framed, and framed, of coarse, acting on
his own principles and his own views, without coasslting
say of the conservative members of the House of Com-
mons. Bat no; the motion was not prepared by Hr. Vil
line; but by the right hon. baronet the member for Cu-
ff/de, who tells us that he took great point in framing it,
elasiderieg himself responsible for it. What was the neat
step ? To consult as to the language of the motion with
the noble lord the member for the City of London;
sad having obtained the sanction of the noble
lewd to what the right bon. baronet hid himself drawn up,
W noble lord neither adding anything nor taking away
snythiog, the right hon. baronet neat proceeded to the
erenservetive section of his friends in the House of Com-
mmes, sad those who had been his eoll. agues in Bir Robert
Puri to consult with them how far they
intrallgenisar in the terms proposed by himself and adopted
SAN Red the member fur the City of London.
=let these different parties, the right bon.
short: and Le has not told the House of
OnllWaisa-.1E17 wee the canse—eia what ground it was,
that, having taken these great pain. in shaping
his resolution, and having obtained the concur-
rence of the noble lord tho member for the
City of Lewdest on one side and of the colleagues of
Sir Robert Peel ea the other side, that motion wee not
made in the House of Commons, and why another motion
instead of that was made. I am here speaking of facts.
At what time the alteration was made I know not; but
that a 00inatunieation was made by the right bon. baronet

to the gratimes k whine hawk thi mensihed hen ori-
ginally pined there see he sumarse Siena ; and those
geminate MIMS es the imettes of *male wen. which,
to thelejedgmen—eed they were quite right—rendered it
perfredy Impenble he the government to accede to the
amiss. Dot these mei me se Meted, and to them
new viii the nem{ was elm of the other
patties with when the right hen. baronet was is this
Meter Iberia'. Now I have said asthiag of . eonspiney"—
I may have used the weed emshleatioa ; but I know not
whet is the saming of wooden Maas If the negotiations I
Yaw maw, end whin I bets Imailed on the authority
tithe right hes. balm% digest man end imply a coiteert
Mono to the ociveransat Wawa three totally different
mos la the House of COMMlllaelrill of those partial pea
hung amervative *Oaks" hy the ISM& GC the
1111418 eillirsits: Mt they bed se different, Sniffs
with her. 's lete severemet. ems es see gel&
(Si.., soar. noble seri says Se hem of the mem
la were ffediously framed, net he theemud
hem it—est he the
MI set dm penem of petting • al.esltt In the way of
goveremest—bet he thiri=
et of kris. sea words,
es , while mserm She s the frame. might, at
the Ism Wee, clime Ye of the late roma-
meet. My lards, I gin the nth sari impish unit for
the inserity of his dedereffes; hat I emit bey saying
diet if it wen only the also et dime pathos. to Stain
the reensition of a pelmigie he seek a ismer and is seek
tem as the late genie sees would amen to, It Is
that before &k
gmelee dthe meths, the wily
Fws
when lbw gellisesea did set aessek nee the
el ihe seemensnt themselme—Ster,lear)
ee SW party meek the goverment bad their
yaps of (Hear' ben) I dotal ray that to
._s. as • hag as risible the terms seek
UMW hem the goverment was sot geed in as
admit eggentim ; bet I do say, that es for-
mal • mein jes==latedewevrild=tie the
he useignin M
C=reemeesieste the hems at that neekstles le the
t, and them Msay that their esly Sleet wee MS =7 sweat of the lowermost to their peepaities.
ersa a onset issemistest with friendly mehriess ; wt,
mot andeleat Mb en mon with the goverment; but
is maisten. end NS be sessisien any, with • insert
between MI She Mire mks' of the gem of Commas
he the engem senbarrsesksc the goverenestat=
ism) DM. amisef . why woe it. I sakeff these
won theeneives saddled with their meeleties. sal W their
eler dog vs what they preassed. that they Mew
windy emested le alter the term asd to gin en their
eirlthsrlisre=arireiassedbelightrar often= plegiaalPil!
Insee--sed hewed for the merest purpose of is
=ILSet the gmenmsat meld mole to it ?
ippon, Oloweestio),_ entredieled me the
sights fa the hen I me ~sr ; its Sa mu apt,
risk, bag the* eltheigh the with Mem he was
mid with elm be h WI sensed te
r..... . tram& by the tight ben.
with tut whin thelaseerstoksl Saall7
r2.lt.tt this resole*. la lest Mime wee pa '
by them at all. end Set they led wise le a MS
.a.Sd made that Miles pretty publicly Mtn, list
Wtwo resendeas was to be divided es, the sense
that of me. Iflllien nil the ether the emsdeme
11. late Chandler of the heranwer, they nee per
te she *sir wipmet MI their met he to Medea
free asesniessat. (Hear, hser.) Those are the
sem se I Ind it ; sad Weed the noble duke
bhmlf wlll set peened that he neared the wells of 1
„mama swag the pemest miss nth
libettsli
Wk. tirade tbe sentsmes wil em
sut ha ma me bang homed Maki
sperhanity of
ratim die opssa hi s mberityewe! aot pretend
that he did set paddy iargen—set l es in pr.
Ilaniek bee IS • 111011111 r arssatlag to aelginy—l =ma
that be ask se sweet a Winks to dad is Nei, miler-
nos
tuaiemmty ofel of Se Senn die
loallimatW gennesset. sad that. helm no m 1
hiff. hil Mown ninon
that the budget would SW a Ineuraffe of
ellsidai meat obieS (" Rm. hur." laeghter.)
'fhb the hake will set May ; and no see see deny
Oat them wee that mewl between hams paths as to
the einem et the neintlens it Mr. Valois, sad that,
when k wee speed se by them Shinn potties, it was
knows sad Sweets that seek a resolution meld cot hay.
the meet of the govermsent. I have sow,g aleede, stated
the. fasts whin SUM Me the ether tto declare
that, from the sex esemessement ef the
_,l Wined
there was • oemet Inn s& daises penes NW the per. I
pose of Westin the 1011111111114. I NM molly 'mein
that it might hats been mere enemies* m seem poetise it
her Majesty's gewerennest had cm boss Wm is seedy is
confer defeat, and if they had watesitted only after
Man in order that their raffle might ham been made'
mare dieneditabh beim relkin. Ise midst* believe
Set k was net the Mb of ems gentlemen she rated to•
miter es the essesies I We shunt to—oed I ma bend
to believe it was net the wish of the noble earl lieself—
that the late germinal.. previous M Christmas, should he
compelled, because tbes were le a mi&ority, to mien. I
will sot *ow enter lath a damasks as to the merits or da
write of the budget Aka was prepesed by the lets Chan-
cello, of the Eachequer. The sable earl has adverted in
the speech he has made this imaiiip to the 11110 of eon.
'Acting the very important question which fora mate-
rial element in that Uascial scheme; and he has spoken on