The Express.
London, England, 1852-11-26 00:00:00

FRIDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 26, 1852.

so an madame to that which has barn tendered by the
? (" Hear" and laughter.) I will answer him'
asking him another question. (Cheers and laughter.)
ill ha support ? (Cheers sod laughter.)
Mr. HUNCOMIIIi—Yes I will. Meer and laughter.)
Lord PALMERSTON—If I am encouraged by the ex-
sedation of an adequate support, I will make nob a motion,
and I hops, judging from what has Nand tonight, that
rappesiag the motion of my hen. and hanged friend, the
member for Wolverhampton Is withdmen or negatived
without Mint' nut, I may have a general acquiescence
In the reseintisa I have proposed, and for mash of which—
as the house is now aware—l am greatly indebted to the
right hon. baronet the member for Carlisle. (Cheers and
laughter.) I trust that both sides of the house will feel
that it is of great national importance that this great queer-
tion should be set at nest. The question is not what hon.
gentleman no one side of the house or bon. gentlemen on
the other think with regard to the junkie or wisdom of the
measure of 10446, bat west they are determined to do with
reference to the plaintenanse sad predeat extension of the
policy on which it was founded. And if this house I. of
opinion that that policy roust be maintained (and there can
be no Merest* of opinion with regard to its reversal being
surattainable)--if, I my, the majority of the house is of
opinion that this policy is fully established, and that it is
beyos.d the pram of any party or government
to reverse it, let us et ones calm the public
mind and set at rest expectations which, perhaps,
still linger in the breasts of some persons out of this
house, that by some change of party or of government that
policy might he reversed. Let the house by a solemn
sarmation settle that question, and without entering on
the question or opinions which may have been held in times
past, and let us it not unanimously, at least by a largo me-
rrily, Okra what henceforward is to be the principle of the
legislation of this country. (Chests.)
Sir E. B. LY LION thought it very important that they
should adopt that form of words that would best satisfy the
house and the people out of doors. The various motions
before them had all some recommendations of their own ;
but under present circumstances it wee inexpedient to hesi-
tate about mere verbal phrases. They should lay aside
their party feelings for the sake of a great principle ; and it
seemed to him that the great principle under consideration
was most likely to meet the general approbation of the
house under the form of Lord Palmerston 's amendment.
The Marquis of GRAN BY was 'maims, to know whe-
ther the hon. gentleman the member for Wolverhampton
adopted the proposition which had been made or not ? Ho
thought that hon. gentleman ought to decide fur himself,
sod not allow the government to do It for him. Ue hoped
the hon. gentleman would persevere in his motion, because
it had been said by the hon. member for Manchester that
some hon. gentlemen had pretended to be free traders, and
that if they were not prepared to vote that recent legislation
had been just and beneficial they were not free traders
at all. What he was anxious to say to the house was, that
he for one could not agree to any one of the resolutions.
He was not about to oppose himself to the deliberate verdict
of the country as expressed against protection; he did not
wish to agitate for that principle, but, entertaining the
opinions which he did, that the prosperity, which he ad-
mitted now existed, would not last, and was owing to other
circumstances than free trade, he begged to
right to maintain those opinions, soh and whenever
he thought fit. He thought this only fair; and thanking
the house for their indulgence be woald say no more.
Mr. JOHNSTONE should vote against the motion of the
hon. memb• r for Wolverhampton, because it was a direct
attack on the political and personal character of gentlemen
on that aide of the house.

•
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The hon.
gentleman the member for Berkshire appears somewhat to
complain that I have not replied to the question put to me
by the hum. baronet the member for the Tower Hamlets.
I confess that I found that question to be one of so pecu-
liar a character that I had some difficulty in addressing
myself tothewer it. It was, in keys contiagency dependerit
as • hypothesis. asked if an hon. gentleman, with
wham do not act in political connection, would do some-
thing, was I prepared to do something else t (Hear, hear.)
I aaturally thought that the most logical and legitimate
course would have been for the hon. and I d gentle-
man, the member for Wolverhampton, anti his friends, to
have expressed their feelings; and when I was acquainted
with their views, I could then have communicated my own
to the house. As the hon. and leaned gentleness has not
risen, I will now, on the part of the government, take the
liberty of addressing the house. lily noble friend, the
member for Leicestershire, has reminded me of how
generously I have been supported by the protec-
await party, both in this house and in the
country. I can truly say, that eines I have
been honoured with • confident", of which to the last
hour of my life I shall he proud, I have done everything
that I could with any ability that I poems and all the energy
of body I meld com mond —(cheers) —on behalf of the mum of
the landed interest of England, which has been unjustly
treated by that recent legislation—which, in the terms of the ,
ameedmeat I have placed on the table, has produced that
ebeepthes a provisions which has contributed to improve
the amafikka end increase the comforts of the working
dames. One would suppose from the observations which
have been made, and the derisive chasm which have mom-
Died them, that a protectionist gthenamant had come I
down to the house to mamma tha it lea dialoged its opi-
nion. (Hear, hear.) If gay ge•thmaa supposes that, he
her taken • very erroneous and perverted vow of the
ease. The government having acceded Is tithes under eir- 1
eametathes la se way seaweed with He gweetion of pro-
Wales. with the eanstansthe lathe hewsail the *Gantry, I
they assenamed that that quake amid be decided by •
geaseal election ; and, the verdict a the vestry being on-
weiththeable we bowed to that naegnltheal declaration
of dyisios.4lyear.) Bir, I will new advert, although
almost incapable of addressing the house this
evelekg—( essowaginet chairs, sashed by the evident
indleresitian ef the right has. gaWamen)—to the points
that aw pastlenkthy before se--nth swim of the has and
Issued namable the Wolverhampton, a:pounded to-night
by the With bee. patiessaa ( Sir J. Graham), and the con-
sistent itheadthalet a the noble lord (rd Palmerston).
We have beard hese the rig Lo. a
miathe assmall of his connexion with thegentleman documents
bran the lwase. The house will perhaps permit
me, as the part of the government, with equal frankness
and I hops with not leas brevity, to detail the wane that
we have thought it right to peeress, and thiamin that have
imbued us le take that mum. I have Wig tonight from
the right has. gentlemen a eamplete asilisalen of the
pawn* once so mach criticised is her speech.
He the told us that although he is el *pinks that th:ro Is
no ckha toe emnpsnsation by any intenexpeadase dise ia the
country say kiln whih it has from
nada& leglekakes. OM c he thinks that that tread be •
legitimate widest kr parliamentary diSBll.Oll. (Chews.)
Awl! think the eight MO. gestiamaa Ire tam a amati-
asthma wawa awl wed ewitiattlimal hagsago fa these
wean whish be bar availed himellfa. let what said bee
Mika penises speeds f Layfaadida in the nest
woad* that the panel* a ear commosedial
wee, am des due ditiberatisa tif the matey,
settled inrte Tata* of anessleistsd erispethisa, bar
Maltey said that if padlerma wee a *ash OS aided
great Intsensts bed been Ward * that **Wm
alibi has watrlbeted to the sammee weal, .he sada.
mailed to t a deeded alms into codidenden.
Wile hat le aredy de emcee the eight hea. academe
swede tagChazseeasTlialright hoe. gedisnian bee
used the • with groat da-
"o dna weed he has 1=1144 ebb abeam
tiara made seam he has rsseadended to the Imes.
Bat It wadi bane bed spangled ie the Muse that, when
a aq~esmmeta dead adherity head% ht fad the arremssed-
rst= ;:ryass, he ahead at least robe to
for the madded he ttas
elarhear.) I h had se wertistelle of la
isalthet bet I sod say Sae 1-7.--a
deasaber aay peelthatent. easy dismiss in whisk Has
word • seispeasatisa was brerght kermerd by us. (Seer,
low.) It is pueblo Sat the right hid ear
may net id sash a phials la smog of
sad tomb, so sow *Naga tide Me; be: the
right has. gmalleama le the -at perm fa the beam who
IstM suseimego haft names te eleetha weethas
osier is its teed thus die spieled of
gad sesimed es the maim that ought to rr the
who dear Inall* delideed. (Cheers sad .)
Wilk I eassendthat upon the dederedia d the lea.
=ea hind; bee Sahara spas* is sta-
pled.) WM that dee resone whisk dead
meek all repel deendestiaitho ellasisa le the
mw d the swam most mauvep=st,
aid met pesllssualdy et
miser hedrimasa Alta OM came the dethasthas of the
podammeat ; sad I coq est the enpressies d de Int
abeleler and the humbler were Het I may hare used
wadi, if there bed been a/ed.—sod than wad not hath
beta a thada in name% admit weal bath re-
meth' that doubt. Bat the honeesabla ger
Genes says there was a.sarrQy a dealt breads
bolds the address was monk I did net name the day as
width the Massie& statement would be taken. Now, there
were at that mama make eireanthanets which ren-
dered it inipeodble far do te fin the day ; and I thought
that If I at ease, bade the abbess was moved, had sided
only that I weld make the Ideasial statement on an
...dip day," want wortioi the mikes day, there would
have btu ea ale *beat the peesee of • am satisfactory
kind; and I thershre added that • preferable
mode woad be to refer to the matter only
I. the eleardsisas whisk 11 beard my duty to
Rae ia the dads of the Male ea deadlier. But the
if as dohs that, tat han
i afterwards Maid and prodded by thalblisimm.d7Zellies. I;e711;
hued It sandimat to foster end protases It—Hens the at
Yet i passe haat Is the bars taste dwell le seem
dlidevallsa ea Ile pad Wisesp es de east des the
wadi* ef the sees* desidedly esindrehie to
the pled* ash a preleilid volley. air, I did myself, that
as a genital rale, then disdaraticas by sew pedisamis are
set entrandy expelleat, heads Asa ell they de
detttle
any quelies—depleadhiad sapodilla dea—diey not
in aay wey Mist splaisa ; sad I distil be sem as wishing
art daddy that the prinsiple of disailetted sendetition
Medd set sow disturbed, it the saly essay* of that
winkle is In a haety vas a the semesasentent at
a few pedidadt. (Cheers.) Bat bowleg that then was
die mileSi sad beadle& beat day Windage
dad
realer—that le net at a party dander I. lie airs limited
sad slime same—we were of *aloe that as opcitiekut
deed Is made by as, if eraneskqde reerialha Were t
hand he its tharaotot_ anise needided as to the
that the seentry had deeded is favour of the sew Goa.
didiel system, ad erforroli•i that it we. the duty of any
gedianset hereeller siassedy to adhere to the principle of
itaesetelalla comprtitio• la our financial and commercial
legitheilea. To that I ahead have offered no opposition.
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ameba,
_it is that they are based on the assumption that
untesedeted senapetition is the principle of our commereial
spent ; as Nelms unrestricted competition is the principle
of fear esimeMmdal system, the financial pol.ey that I would
resemianal 1111111101 be supported. (Cheers.) I will not now
be--ee I refused to be on a previous 00Cali00-1,11 into any
reference to the character of those measures. The house
ens sure, will feel that it would be very unfitly to us to ask
for those premature explanations. But thus far I can say
to my noble friend (Lord Granby) as he now acknowledges
as we all acknowledge—that the verdict of the country
is opposed to that principle which for many years we sup-
ported; and feeling that it is impossible for any
man in this house to support legislation founded on that
principle, or with a hope of cerrying measures based on
that principle—l trust he will hod when theism mew-I
sures are brought forward that I hese not been unmindful
of the just claims of those who I thiuk have been unfairly
treated in recent legislation. (Loud cheers front the Protec-
tionists.) Well, under these circumstances, what was the
course her Majesty's government took ? My mold*
friend (Lord Derby), to whew opinion we de-
ferred, met his friends and communicated to
them his opinion that if a resolution was brought
forward declaring the verdict of the country in an equivocal
manner, and announcing that it was the duty of a minister
to adhere to and to develop that principle of uurestricted
competition, it would be most unwise in any way to keep
alive controversy by opposing it; that nevertheless it was
perfectly open to any gentleman on this side of the house
who objected to acknowledging the fact—fur it would not
be approving a dogma—not to take any part in time debate,
or the division, if there should be one, but that, in effect,
we should heartily and unequivocally endeavour that the
declaration should be unanimous on the part of the House
of Common,. Now the draft of a resolution reached me
which I was told was to be swimitted to the House ef Com-
mons; and here I may say that the conversation to-night
must have been very instructive to those who have taken
their seats here for the first time. (Hear, hear.) They
have received an instructive lesson as to the mode in which
Wrni qw°ea wierecionn igose
oni.n(c'h. leteware,whecarcr,'.'
oaureddil.acug!itte. r.l
don't remember any such frank confession. being made in
Our time. (Laughter and ironical eheere from the opposi-
tion.) And when we change sides our youthful adhe-
rents will have received a lesson of deep interest as to the
methods of combining and managing maakind. (Cheers
and laughter.) Well, • resolution—it seemed to have fallen
from the skies—came into my bands; and although most
precise and unequivocal in declaring that the country had
decided that the principle of unrestricted competition
should be the principle of our commercial code, and that in
all future measures it was the duty of a minister to adhere
to that principle, there was nothing in that resolution
which I think • gentleman who had supported a protee
tionist policy in past times might not here accepted. (Hear.)
And it was, observe, under these circumstances, that my
noble friend recommended those who arc proud to be his
followers frankly to accept such • resolution, if it was
brought forward. There was no secret of the advice he
bad given. He should not have cared if it was known at
Charing-eras—and probably it was known at Charing-
croas—but a remarkable fact is, that the moment that
advice did become known, three odious epithets were put
into this resolution. (Loud cheer. from the ministerialists.)
Clearly, that is not the way to bring about the unanimous
decision of the House of Commons on a subject of such vast
importance. I can assure the bon. member for Manchester,
who appears to demur to my atatemeut, that he will never
obtain his object by such means, because whether he gains
in the division or not, he could only gain his object by a
small majority ; and that would be a circumstance:neces-
sarily giving the world the idea that on this vital question,
which all of us here agree is settled, there are still arrayed
in the House of Commons two great parties. (Cheers.)
This resolution, however, very different from the one I
first saw, was placed on the table of the house ; and it then
became our duty to consider what would be the best course
for us to take. It was quite clear that if the lion. and
learned ;gentlemen (Mr. Villiers) persisted in moving that
resolution there would not only be a division, but a division
of the most balanced kind ; and that instead of commencing
a new parliament with a declaration which would atop any
further agitation of these controversial topics, we would be
commencing • new parliament by a movement that would
render this question again the means of demarcation be-
tween parties. (Cheers.) The resolutions, as placed on the
table, were not only painful and injurious to gentlemen oa
this side of the house, but I believe they were not received
with much favour by many gentlemen on the other side.
It was, therefore, not impossible that we might have moved
the "previous question" with considerable prospects of sue-'
as. To have asked our friends, for the sake of unanimity,
to accede to these resolutions was impossible. (Cheers.) It
is very well to say these are only words; it is very well to
say that many of us may be of opinion now that that legis-
lation was wise and beneficial though we did not think so
formerly; but there could not be two opinions as to the
meaning and motives of the epithets made use of ander
such circumstances, and in public as well as in private it is
a mistake to submit to an insult. (Loud cheers.) Under
these circumstances we endeavoured to draw up • distinct
resolution which should conciliate opinion to such
a degree that we might hope to see it accepted.
With regard to the amendments before the house I
confess I think that the question is really assuming too
trifling a character. (Hear.) Between the hon and learned
gentleman (Mr. Villiers) and myself there is a real
cause of difference. To such assertion of opinion I
give the most unhesitating opposition. (Load dicer..)
Bet as regards the amendments suggested by the govern-
ment and by the noble lord (Palmerston) I see no real diffe-
rence between them. I may have the same paternal feelings
which have beer alluded to by another gentleman ; but I
should not consider it my duty to oppose the general feeling
of the house in any respect whatever. (Cheers.)
The real question is, whether the honourable and
learned gen.leman and his friends are to outrage the
feelings of this aide of the house—(cheers and counter-
chain), and of many gentlemen on the other side of the
house abio—ttninisterial cheers), by a course which, totally '
irrespective of personal feeling, I say is most impolitic and
unwise. (Loud cheen.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—I hope, sir, notwithstanding some
parts of the speech of the right hon. gentleman and the
tone of his concluding observations, that the house may
yet be able to arrive at • decision upon this subject which,
if not unanimous, will at least represent a great majority of
the house, and thus fintlrlocree the question so long in
dispute between what is Free Trade and what pee
by the name of Protection. It did appear to me that
whoa this parliament was assembled it was desirable, in
the first place, that some decision should be come to upon
that great situation of imennesesial and financial po-
licy, oa which the cienetry lad been so long
divided • and, in the next plow, that it is de-
sizable ihat these, who had made themselves the particu-
lar mimosas end had styled themeless the sole defenders
et lantesele Mash had been affintsd by moat legislation,
should ham a fall end ample opportenity of laying before
this Muss and the ematry those measures which they eon-
sidend wield repair any evil that had been done, and
while at the mans time would conduce to the,. Lend
=liristabled.imythe conduct IT
the commencementnd t use lwo
of principles
esy conduct sine. tb. commencement of the
present masks. With reaped to the first of them, it
=l:te me that • great =Wake had been committed
divieksg bar Majesty to make, in the speech from
the *ems, •dam. and explicit declaration. My opinion is
that theft who sit cm this ado, and all them who are free
amble, showed remarkable forhearanee in net moving
ea
anneedmiat en the address. No amendment,
howeramit:ssmod we Ms address. it woe mann that
anabor should bo taken of it
a declare.
time et ths on that quells* ; sad no member was so
It a lb sal be thembeion of the hoses ss
my be. sell Isom* *blond (Mr. Villiers). The • ht
I=lllsays thnt the atlas of my ban. and
11smierweet some changes he bum, after certain alt.
end that otiose effithale were introduced-
Thin I , m far se I sel mgnissat of tLe cir-
osmileness. (So we inetlesollead the noble lord.)
New, liir, I must say that the AIM b, end it is a fret withie
my own knowledge, that the Int mggestiens which were
made by my hoe. sad loomed bleed all contained the
woods " wise end Jest," as words illt a bs introduced on
onek • &OM and I Myself was ens of dices who, long
bolas the meting fa D?walagairest, advised that the '
woe wits and just should be introduced. I
thought that they wee. It wards. Is appeared that parlia-
ment is ice Moises had ostablished. duo compolitles, sad
the sole-WW ast those by whisk unrostrienell amps
tides inne maillhed NNW eviamtly bee wise ast. It
b an set of "'rumen, sad see we te &Mare that paelimesat
was mjast la rr Mat net I never would esseent to
seshapwpeYtiwawßatbesides this I lesa in mind whet I date
my same as mind, thM which thebsnassalserhe Wel-
melessopeop. end that WA* me se bean* posperly
and henentably said by es. hisensabis a member se *ere
is in fide Muss the nab had Ohs member for Leiratter,
that it was s wise ast, and that some tribute woo due as las
ramarry of the thestrisne sestosman by whom it was in-
treinsod—(eboars)--whe fa the debates upon the bill
who it was passing through this hewn and to kis last
mole with teepees ait, enforced the justice of that act.
(Ohms) Well, it appeared that although this epithet was
net an odious one, still it was thought that it was of
that character that M railed • contgeoseen and a doubt and
hesitation, on the parr of some fee. traders whisk it was
not desirable to maintain; Slid therabee, wee my right
hon. friend the member for Carbide showed me the words
be had drawn, I said that I thought that these words,
with the addition which I ventured to suggest, were fully
sufficient, and would answer the wpm which I thought
wo had is visw—that, as the am beak they should be
explicit ; and on tits other had Mould not give
any mammary dense. I should add the cm.
Mambas that proposed mediae was not
a maim of want of madams', beams I thought if a vote
of want of confidinme ous*Ato be premed. it ought to be
proposed directly sad met beffiready. (Neer, Mar.) Well,
sir, my hoe. and loorniteidesaithe mambo" lee Wolver-
hampton, upon the whale t that them ceasiderations
which I have alnady is favour Medlin this a
wise jest, adhemasiol messare, prveeedented, and he
placed the 11161111161111 on the table of the house. It was,
then, a question which the hems had fairly before it. The
right hon. gentleman this plotted his resolutions on the
table and I ewa it appears to sae that those resolutions
which he has proposed are so equivocal, fall so far short
of the extent to which I think they should go, that it might
be • matter of dispute hereafter whether the act of 1846
was not an actor injustice and folly, whose injustice we should
remedy as soon as we could, and whose folly we should
endeavour to correct by reversing the system as soots as
popular opinion would allow us. I think that the words
are open to that interpretation, and I for one cannot consent
to them. I agree with my hon. and learned friend the
member for Wolverhampton, that the revolution should be

, the question. I say still that that is the
mind of the country. The right hon. geii, nun this
only only question is whether he should confirm,' b, hold ettie7
itmW ye l 'ls o
is ut hom.
te nithr i eeinf dr
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h thetlnhao.ym *gym: venture
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though not in very gracious terms certainly—(s laugh),
but having declared his willingness to 'Omit tne fur 1%,
own resolution the resolution which was first drawn tip
my right hon. friend the member for Cathode, 31.1
was placed on the table of this house by my noble
Irk
the member for Tiverton, that he, my bun. mid harel4
friend the member fur Wolverhampton, should dee:are 1.,
t
willingness to accept that resolution; and %hither hai
members are, like my hon. and learned fund the nitwit.;
for Wolverhampton, or Ike my hon. frient! the member fir
the West Itillinir, arid other hon. gentlemen, Ines traders
lung date, or whether they date from 1812 to Ilite,m whetto
they date from the month of Novi mber in the present yen
—whatever may be the elate of their free trade ptif 'oe'
that they should all unite, and give to the resulutien
sanction of the House of Commons. (Cheers.)
Mr. COBDEN then rose, amid eratea t
When they had subsided, be said—ln the early part of
conversation I felt a considerable difficulty to comma-heat
exactly what was the tendency of the marks 01 steer
speakers, and it was only by degrees b 1 arrived at tee
full nature of what is the question art issue, at pr. en.,
When [ listened to what was said by the noble lord •
member for Tiverton and other gentlemen, about behav4
in a gentlemanly way to each other, and coming to au seat:
mous agreement on this great question, I was ulmunt :
the moment unconscioue of what it was that was
Mae between us. But the speech of the right lion. gest.;
man the member fur Carlisle, mid the remark, by ute,r
gentlemen who have followed, I think have comp, ntige.
veloped what it is we are now discussing. It appear, ~,.
solution was prepared by the right lien. b.auint the a:
bee for Carlisle which contained a phrase sees.-rt4nr thst t.
free-trade measures since 1846 have not had the tint.
inflicting injury upon any great interest. Now, the rid.-; •
hon. gentleman distinctly tells WI that this Meese
inserted with a view to meet the claim for comprusation
certain interests, to bar ell claim fur cousomeatent •
smelling that no injury had been dime to important
Serest.. It appears that this resolution, by what Mesas
have not yet heard, dropped into the hands of the
lord the member for Tiverton ; and he taking this n
lotion, and cutting out the important phrase that for, tea:
had not inflicted injury upon important interest'
therefore that no compensation mild be claimed; h'svie;
disposseesed the resolution of that important phrase, ,t
somehow fields its way to the Cm Iton Club, and there, at a
meeting, the protectionist party required unthimously that
they would accept this resolution. (No, nu.) Nut saimi-
mously. (N a.) Then it seems we are nut going to In the
the happy family ; it appears that we caonet mows this
matter in this drawing-room gentlemanlike I „hits,. I e.l,nit
the excellent tone, and ton great extent I admit the
nese and the sufficiency of the resolution drawn by the
right hon. barone (Sir J. Graham); but on it sera. to
ham been assumed by the right hon. gentleman thy Ctsn-
°eller of the Exchequer that what lie is plaineti to tall the
free trade party had agreed to that resuluti vet, and thin,
after finding that the Carlton Club and 1/ ...sing str.e._
(no, no)—tben the Reform Club and the Cerium the, an,
not shaking hands on this question. Attir the right ben
baronet had been summoned to Downininetreet—that ',sec
which was once called a barracoon—having agreed to sap.
port that resolution, then the sight hon. gentleman sop
that the free traders, who had agreed to that resnluhan,
afterwards put in it odious words, which prevented tour
adopting it. Now, I venture to say—l would not na-
ture to say it on any other question— bat 1 tb elk
it no presumption to say it might not be wire:m."llll3le
that before a resolution bad been adopted by the fro-wile
party in this house, I should have been consulted. (11,m,
hear.) Well, I never saw that resolution before it eis
handed to the Carlton Club. I never go to IL.,
log-street. I was not a party to it. 1 5h,,,.1
have said that the resolution, whatever its ',bran.,
logy might be, should affirm the justice and ttt
wisdom of the policy of 1846, and I have alent
and—affirm its justice and its wisdom, and I will not quarrel
with you about the phraseology further. We therefore
stand in this position. You have adopted majority of
ynu have adopted—a resolution from;!reel you have ex-
punged the "justice" and the " wisdom" of the ;whey of
Sir Robert Peel, and you have erased that phrase which
barred you from compensation. Now, that question of corn.
peneation has assumed no common importance since this
discussion commenced, because it is quite evident that the
right hon. gentleman the member for barks (Mr. Blench)
has told us—the noble marquis ha. elicited from him—
that lie has a measure which will ameliorate the coudition
of the agriculturists who were injured by this free trade.
He has told us that those measures were injurious to the
landowners, and that he is prepared to apply remedial.
measures. What does the hon. member for the Tower
Hamlets. say to that ? The that time I had the pleasure of
meeting him was on the platform of the Free-trade Hall,
at Manchester—(hear, hear)—and I thought that no me
who had gone through that ordeal—(a laugh)—was ever in
danger of being seduced when he got to this house, least of
ell, that he would nibble at a bait when it had becu de-
prived of half its goodness; and virtue. (Cheers.) If
the hon. gentleman had got the whole of the right hon.
member for Carlisle's motion it would not have been
so bad ; but to take it alter it had been modified
by the noble lord the member fur Tiverton—l am
astonished that the hon. member for the Tower Hamlets
should not have had more sagacity. (Cheers and laughter.)
Now, I may say—for we are talking of these little matters
of management with very little reserve—now it comes out
that there has been some little dexterity in framing the
resolution, in order to meet the difficulties of the right
hon. gentleman the member for the University of Oxford.
It seems that the right hon. gentleman had on one occanon
voted fora motion of the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Dis.
reel) for compensation, and I presume that this rcsolatioa
was so framed, that whilst it bars prospective compensa-
tion, it should not shut out the protectionists from retro.
active compensation ; it bars compensation for the future,
but it 1 compensation for past free trade. (Cheep.)
Now, that reduced to plain common sense, such as I am
in the habit of applying to it, means that there may be
compensation for corn and cattle, but there may not be
compensation for butter and cheese. (Laughter.) Now I think
that the right hon. gentleman, if he applies his mind to
this question, may find a much bettor reason for altaing
his judgment after that precipitate vote which he gave on a
former occasion by comparing the present state of things
with those in 1849, when he gave that unhappy vote ; fir
he will find that no great interests have been affected by
the changes in our system. (Hear, hear.) Now the net
question is, whether we are to have compensation at the
expense of the taxpayers of this country for those measur. ?
(lerial cries of " No.") If you admit that priney.e,
then we have gained nothing ; for it would be very e.sy
for you, if you were determined to take the money out of
the pockets of the people in another way—it would be
quiteas easy to do so by the tax-gatbever as by protectis,
as it is called. (Cheers.) You may abolish every Custom-
house and exciseman in the kingdom, and yet I will ander.
take to impose taxed in such • way that they will effect
More injury than the protective system itself. (Cheers.l
Therefore the whole question will have to be gone throw
again. (Hear, hear.) Hoa. gentlemen say that bemuse
they find the majority is opposed to them they us prepared
to make their bow to it. Now, we don't make oar bow to
the majority. (Loud cheers.) I give you warning that if
you intend to raise this compensation in the shape of tale',
you will begin another strwuEle—(renewed cheers)--and I
venture to say—if I maypoint to my past history as any
warranty for the trutltaf t I predict—that that struggle
you will find as disastrous as the last. (Great cheering )
What I us meet maims to do is this—and I won't go into
the questim—what I wish now to do is to bring this home
to • vote whisibehall test the question, whether, after the
election, we stead in.. good a position as we did before!
(Hear. hear.) Per in the last parliament not only did we
Alm the tre•-trede policy to such an extent, that even the
risks lea. geatkenta (Mr. Disraeli) never ventured to d,t•
rite he benedlidal results: but when the right honourable
ratline& keened is his motion to give compensation—
for that wee tike seam in which they understood it—the late
parliamest, is very large homed, twice refused co:opens'.
don. (Cheers.) Now l. want, as early as possible, to have
a &Thin, to know whether—after all the turmoil of the
late •Isetioa, and after all its extravagance, expense, and
torruptise—we bays 'steed, as the cosutaX believes, a great
triumph, or whether we stand in as a position as we
did before. (Lend sheers.) I want • question to be put
pare and duple to the house, and thereL:re I hope lbe
has, sad learned member for Wolverhampton will
shrink from his resolution. (Loud cheers.) I hope we shil
go at ONO late the discussion on the main question, and
take a &visa upm it; and then, when we have had the'
&sista% we ellen know what is the work for free traders in
:aura. (Loud cheers, and cries of "Divide.")
Mr. NBWDRGATE mid that he, at that moment,
perhaps represented the protectionists; and now he
would tell the house what they meant to do. They
fully acknowledged that the decision of the country was
against protection; and now, with the knowledge of that
decision, they meant tome whether the present government
would not consider the injuries which they knew to exist.
If this house was pleased to affirm • free trade resolution,
he (Mr. Newdegate) would leave the house, and take no
part until he saw what measures for their relief would be
proposed by her Majesty's government. (Hear, hear.)
He (Mr. Newdegate) was rejoiced to find her Ma-
jesty's government resisting this resolution; and they
should have his most cordial support, so long as they re-
slabbed true te their principles. But of all the circum-
stances of the times he regretted, he most regretted the
shock which in past years had been given to public confi-
dence in public men. (Hear, hear.) Another such shock
from a second conservative government would do more to
subvert our institution than the worst efforts of the most
violent democrats. (Cheers.) He still respected Lord
Derby, because he had submitted this question to the deci-
des el the country : and by so doing, had taken the only
aims by which be could have brought the question to its
esietles. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion, ho had only to say,
that instead of voting, he should leave the house—(a laugh.)
--and that he should abstain from taking any decided
sours., until he saw whether justice wee to bo done to the
egrtcnitural interests. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GLADSTONE merely rose for a moment to explain,
In welseequence of something that had fallen from the hon.
em ob*? for the West Riding. That hon. gentleman
eMeMd to think—and if so, he could not wonder at his re-
it—that there had been some connection between
Gladstone's) vote in 18.50 and the framing of the
pretreat resolution. Ile (Mr. Gladstone) begged leave to
say that there was no such connection. He would not at
that moment discuss the matter, but he should approach
the subject of relief or compensation with opinions entirely
uninfluenced he -- •former - had riven; and ho

by any

vote he