The Express.
London, England, 1855-03-27 00:00:00

BLOCKADE OF THE RUSSIAN PORTS IN THE

IsiilCLiiiiiiiii SEAS.

Mr. BANDAltiaalieaMe Pint Itorti;fihe Admiralty
et whit whet it is Wended to *MUM s Meeks& of ths
Zemke sib is the Baas .tai Wlthe Is egg if that
Masks& wbeta AM le the MO, to be ea Abodes meP
Mr C. OOD said it was taisil as seas to the porta
were apse to establish as effective bisdmis, to take @Met
et soon as the blockade was astehlhhed.

CLOTHING OF THE AIIIIToI3HECH-LOADING

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Sir DE LACY EVANS asked the Clerk of the Ordnance
whether it was Intended to take any measures for improv.
lag the cloth from which the clothing of the English army
was manufactured, the clothing of the English army being
about the wont of that of any army ? On looking at the
dismission on the Ordnance estimates. he found that some
reference was made to breech loading muskets, and it was
stated that imitations had been sent to the principal gun-
makers in this country to send in specimens of breeds.
loading gum. Now be was ind.rmed by two or three
piaci* men ia that kind of mand►etnn that they bad
received no notice of the kind. He should like to know if
there was say objection to lay a statement on the table of
the mimes of the manufacturers to whom the Board of Ord-
nance had mat to say they would receive specimens from
Omni.

lIONSELL said the hos. sad gallant panel wee'
probalgy aware that the clothing oldie saw was sot pt is
the Orasanee department. The assessesest fee it to he-
some so would be Rode is • @hen Ibis. but It bed sot yet
bees made. With wised to the beeselwleillig pas there
would be so objeetise to lay es the table e nears el the
antes et the maintfeeennwe whet led bees ssgseeted.l• seed

la maims. Tba is °pints's* useolhiessaus" was a
IN* a% sot psdops Issllolises hag ast beim Matto
V bet thoy bad boss seat to a vast many.
THE EARL OF DIINDONALD'S PROPOSAL.

Sir C. WOOD said a proposition was nbtaittod loth* late
Board of Asininity by tb• Earl of Doodosald. liono
quirks' bad boss no kto it, bat dm boo. goatluaaa would
ow it was not a dims* Wog to stoke say summate ye-
sleeting it.

,111TH RII&SIA.

, boon *mkt to pet, he
, eountasati would dna

unmet laiiplbst
reit paswiess • pow
ministers ilisosehes nip

seder neh

(Chan.) It woo net
bawl( iaveised is this

Mr. LAYAILD soil be whited to ask the Nisi Lord of
the Treasury wholhor it woe is his power to lay Won Is
bows say sonsopeadoses Uwe= tie Allied Poems ea
the treaty oldie fed Dolotabor, awl may dessamsli sew
analsolad le Ike Beiniss govasimont about the gm
gelois; sad orbolher be bed mg ellestisa Oa lay ea the
Nis yeaboods shish be asknOsedbod boss signed, &lag
a sossiosodos_ aketiooot, Sae of the tsar Oats ?
Led PALIMIWOX said it woe a atemoo autos,
mogatialloss werossVosoutti to lay bo•
hoe of the out
skis L 'aid/ at= to Also him Hs
=howlewr, sift Abet to ossmossiosiono woes loads
hem tile MIMI to tbe Harelos aeroralaset ; bet
abeam, easnuanhatiess Uwe woe prod tkrougla the
SWIM of lb. Molds' sevsmasai, arida wolitirs
flassolly to bolb. Arm the aisiarallos war h toes
Ihes se direst esamonalsolos oda be made hest the
Britt* to tiro Ranks govassmena.
Till TRIATY writ sARDnuu.

hag beton bees p,
mask ma meat, sad tie
mar
irrth=stabey mast ben
they did sot esasidar It laintiabis, they were at int
irwsmaaisse lave bees was
The govenaisal ess =se at
hits ys beams She war tam maned, ail
mad Sesilimillal etas late Impair of
as* pithily Wers sapospisest ist the alseggie._ (
'I'M WA hod Ws* might tail them, as le hod told
bails% teat while segsdatisas ware pig es it weal sat
has Ws bassmis it Mew* this military esishadmissis
of the soashy. Ilis (Mr. Disru 11) did sot oink hem
maldlly of that espasent. Why the sues si
wen pig ea *do *nest time, sad yet then Mid n
bssamilisay ptomaine Ads on a panes male. (Cheers.)
Assaffign the se** lord, bonus *see was • warns
at Theis we omit set * e was Ines for
the Dads, tad she hank oseit to t propano nisi their amain
is *Asa. (Hear. ham) -Pat ha de** OW It was
Impaidlie Ile ban takes pagme Alps without Akin say
aulastadvas proparstiess. Tins bad bass • ammo epos
to the gremommat wish meal bees resin* it mii►
eassraylit us *ban noon* to subsidies. What steps bed
they hies whi aped to tip ? (Mama That
IN. might lama boss solid late active osilisso keg
Woe Nos the laselaa was was apprOnsdaa, and whets
the pasaillay at it was we of the ass* of the
abbe& (Ilme, him) Bet what won 60 moss that
was pwati l Thegoneament tads* minted
that Wail mem as ralifilsiry pew ; semi *on
wee so as ihabter of this many who, la Ms misd. was
more vmpuedbis A that awl* tin tho noble bed his-
self, 'he, fa a brief .psasb, had that weak, mist the
Muss, tams nen matter of flOlllllO, to modes a ealseresea
to *a spies of subdiliss. (Cha
sm) Ins ea late
Pas lie atmlissassost of 1864, shoe eft Ames of best-
Ism asplislins, what did the asks bad do wish seprd
to the billed Mel* militia ? Thank,* was
pissed slide Mrd's *Me ; but what wen
imply / Mose ask segligesse. (Mears.) No soda was
• a Isaglaso tam ofthe appeals that wen mob to him,
esi when at Mt In AM anise them, it was ail Tends
Y IN tams. mad astbg ash Wells.(Chem Was
wan desired as *a Shia Kee*. hat it was sell MM.
rasimars, eat ha but seams, to Oh nesse of
oar rafilsay pewees awl teem flat mansat we
the ban of hie mad mast at caslideasi
the rasasems ',the . (Ohner) He (dr. Dhpsll)
wadi est take epos the rapessibility of
the units ; bat he mid his hes. Meads mind him
set aim the eanmemeamsat of this revived spies of
esbaidies to pee issedeed. Oa the anhasy, they
weal* eadassass to kiwis apes the paseamest ups this
sad lies gamy Mar monies tide aearlatiestbst if the
war was to be swirled as at all It must be Novi* as
mainly by the resourem a* spirit of Baglsad bertelt
(Cheers.)
Thereat PALMERSTON-11a the right boa. patina=
has eastasted his Mendes set to oppose the naiad*,
very LINO will be requited hem me in reply ; but I cannot
permit the right hem patio* to trisfound the *dam of
loan. with Mina to Is paid by the borrower with the
system of esbeilft *IMO laterest„ sad where, in paint of
fact. then= neol was saarlased by this country. The
right bin gislisama Mak lee highly than I do—
lma highly *ea bar admirers, and than the
orsatsy at bags drab tbo mop atability of that govern-
ment with whib we have osalamitod this alliance; and of
W mass wish that kingdom psomme 'Emig the small
mod esaleihaties that will be =O la th• shape
ef
Mend A tbh lass. (gem Ist that
this An *es a media of the sass who
karma all that an saversat with earnarimates
owl Mew, that the Misery **sees of sass as;
sad who reesemben that whave for
tar I,iO~,MK =Mist. we halm* sad well
awed Weep. Will be hops up Is that water—every
oSlas I my. who Ismaialses that would be Arend to think
oast this is a very agnates** mistreat fee ea (C 1..,,.)
Bat, forsooth, the rigid hes. manses nys that at the
time sagetilleas were radii* might Ss have case down
to tbe how with isereased war estimates, sad that we
1111.1111 IN 911•181 oar inn* upon a war establishment,
mil *sib hriapl pond is the event which we bad every
MINIM itb appraise might *happily near. Sir, I should
Mho ea Mow what goal& have beau the indignant *nil
wilds the right lass. pa Oman and those who sit around
Ms would Mee iftes to a proposal to Mom*
ow was mitabilineste at • time when we Ma
Mil Senn to aspen that we should arrive
at am amilothi sidemen' of the drain is dispute ? (Chaos.)
Asa thet_limiseth, the right boa. gentian& compares the
num slit ays ought to have panned with that
wish we we sew possaig. Be says that to have nada
°Astatine riespandeas far war during • time of pease,
and wails W alesdalisse were pending, would hays bees
exactly the sun Wag that we an doing now, in fitting ems
ships sad sang mat wasp while the congress of Visa* it
pig es. Whys.; *ma b as little !similarity bairns the
boo mime as weld genalblisuist bet** say two also
wising* (Obessi.) T right hon. paths= seat
suggemelmmi me hr set Mei* WIN out the militia Wire
the tar bops. Mow, sir, if any ilsiscs is wanted he the
mum pained with =post to *a militia, I mast bog the
right bassimable sesame mad *ens who sit near him to
sighs that ahem (,Star, hese.) Tor what, sir, was
the slide MB while *ay banglit ia ? It was a
note bill is meg raps* as smaN a most valuable
ion far the debase *the osestry, but it supplied so force
Mal for auryiag ea spends= is the Cr so as to
aggsseie the sess=l eeftlng a
rag Elm that of .) I *My the
merit ailis primmest Is miler irw,* bt hes. genilleman
beleapd la ructspaidag sad At malli. bat
what was the used= wldsh they to es parer
of the OM as to embedybig it ? Calla It have bees em-
boli* bane of pace ? Mai it have bass dew pais'
thesosesilatisae as even ors war bad ham notedly &-
den*? It nail act. It owl* may la* bass embodied
osier the ad la ease of eetual sr Orestes* invasion; sad
*old emir/Jab say that with the Bel* sad tie
Blink lisausded, sad with our beeps in the last,
the grosesmont mid Mae thought then was either usual
Isanami et dope *wet / (Ohms.) Bat we aid portly
ash* It a as as the war ladle out—not is
of may powers OM *NAM of ths right hes.Z=
uziso,that is at of the volanteny of *a
orgimapla. (Haar, hear.) We bat as sewer to
=p lea to sans, but they gallantly as* volnatarily
their series Is aid et the natisaid 'farts to en*
as the war, mad dams regleseste won thus subsdisd. Ws
afterwards brag* Is • ill to rem* the dells* of tie
right hose. genthassa's mann, and wiles that bed paned
are proseadod to embody a sambas of Ohm ropmente.
Whoa, Arden, the eight him. pada** says that it
is a rreof of want of inapt dud the militia was not
eabodisd balers, or at al ovesak *the immenconsent of
W war, tit want of ihnsight *kap ft than who sit
around hi* Oben% sea ides el "Oh I") It is childish
to say that the espaisedos aftMioehis W topmasts
would bays esposellod this ssesift kr the maistanse
whisk we shall obeli it... the Isisa brae. (Hear,
lea.) WWI say** say that raw imp, mom* ma.
Idled anima as a limidas swiss, *di ban boss an a*
is* salistilste a the gallaat aril well Airlift* nay
whids we doll *his Isy the seasistia wader the con-
shingles of this Mass (Mom
sebera lifisaps, dr, I
diall Os tail that the Id* sal Add
ban fat*** rearalte. (Hear, Mac) flifiraboubt assay
pleat sad pod as have volume*, sad I trait many
mss will do se; but I say, sir, that Meow *AI du
lei* and Nash segbasals might have bola bi that respect,
kb alma ft team that they would have bees a nbati-
tele A as monied away el 16,000 men(Olsson.) I
repel. thisellial a sharp a[ sad mat ad
=is ow that folle wpm the bra. patimosa
mad apes them who it him ; sat that it is '
them to sawn it (Olean.)
Mr.
differs* J.
Ma AS IL DMIUBO
of it
dlll Ma a dew if this •teesentiss very
ill ha* inalkimos=
mad Is an* repottai soma ef *a
Iles from his. (Hear, ban.) Itlnirlit seem to hba
(Mr. Damian) to ha at all a discreditable Inassalies,
IS MO minty, it append Uhl. Is Mmes. besoonlite
bah
govesspeallglimmowal aiSaigeossalia to Me; mil he ling*
ISIS ts, Mak of Ma Majesty ama of
Awned Os warmest thsishe of the bane. (Ohllitst.
Mr. 311ORT said that be nee to tap=
of eabolies,Y winner lisem ; mad la
to41"11124prillel OM the la of ihalleis, is the poi.
saw was hi, should ha* kb Ohs 'modal sad sable
=b Y thigh it we aspgadjaastgag as • Ms hos.
ib wire Menai hieden, mad shred ban therm
itself late • straggle bon wish grates mush* thea gar-
dials ass* aid Min *IMO issio. essalsr, sad polably
dbhsanar.
amid mid& anoliia Issossit. ssposinly if
her kens sime ir to pasosh as* oar aseaspanst,
would Mtn with eyed Ms wids oweeshos.
Mr. DOWTIII was amain to Weems Ira obsanalleas
to *a mousitteo. boobs Maly resided is ialdiis. He
abseil ear so egpoellias to dm Ramis** Ho behind a
sass lowlegeses Inc
_skin that et Imo& did ass Wit
M Maw.. Ist he did a* wise the gamma* so mope
the Nam whisk was As to this lige MUM they
pgIIIIIISL had at Wet sepia male mat of
show what tho nesuras of wass, am*
wise eacmidag wasSei:_. he seek Lad el.* said,
it was • wan of *as the smarms a dal
of
try wars ample. TM as to So sagagmmot of
the Ma showed that As istestaisla SIM being
repaid. liassumed that the soli had was *spas* far
the kin Otis ism Nem the AM of the IN.. of Sar-
dis* be did oat barn it woo* ow be mid* It was
she that *Wan was to be pit; bet what of the capital P
Tidies *ad maths lashadasm • saliddy. Had not the
wait of On sed, as goveranisat bass go*, they might
have as** way. a leas la the arias* Then was so
la* et sighg hs Bangs. is the bellitrith wish is
MEd Nem bail is
• is*. Amid
am to *h semelny M a lens ? The *swat
grawasseas had sane laid balers the Moms of
any compine halossonhast of their re.
allorplialiallivisonpasaltare, bet ha Mew that IN. was es
asoutal of mouse of sewnel minis= eil Mem, *lift
apas
blemtag ofialauflatesTata tames
tex. wenuisteaczoterevaiatt 314
the taus bad been raise*. Thus was nub esmaseres,
and • gnat deal of mat spealatios. As imam. capes&
Isis wee misted evtif year by the natio% of Ilhola the *5

TM bow Ismiag mobil Ibif MN malmittm to ow
tan tM Qom.% ammo es Ws Imity,

Lord PALKIRSTOR pupas& a tosSiutisa fir the pu-
pas ol as►aog her Majesty to Militia sagsgousals odd&
by this Wady oho has sound late with the Mai of
audio's.

Mr. DISHAILI thought it eight that the resolutina
should set pew wItI.M woe moths Wig takes area the
yews& spew wide& the aside MM appeared to have re-
essmeaded it, sad eibleb ennead to lee el a somewhat
Mabel ebeeestwe. TIM. 119 g, peeweelog WM&
desablewilierry hem sod be wee higgylo2
by a lowly Illweel *Olt *weld to
the tides ia a ems ebb& Urn le 41=ress at
Weiel'w night well be • @Weil hressgerldelles. If
Mat were all be shod entirely swim will the wshielsed
i=tbis Aimee as satubst begedel augury he Ow
taeg M the emu& ia WA* OM= *weed. Dal
is was at by noes empathy with lb. Ales that ltliai
bed hers iwgellai t. lake the step le whisk the able bed
W diode'. Thins were iallessiess sad ladoessimals it
rived k tb. remialles whist Ibs adds bed sail IFS
lbe lemellese le Mgt. (Har, beer.) They wise Nisi
le smalls bee Majesty se brad. esaiderabis sowi et
to Seedbia i sad they might to pews Wiles they atwwi
sob seam is say Melo pewee. (11ww, beer) He wadi
as 4 wig lbee them were use milassus whisk abbe
=llliersush a segues s he% Me
th es he mid oast
seesme, wed hos lbe set wavy
ample sz=ritirtbillrebk Me d, Me a Isms that we.
.at likely to be vim yeeMy rigali. The Sardinia' go-
weensat had ralseishea to peg iiturad at the taw of 4
pew est., of glib sae Meth wee to be seseidered as a
*Wag feed; ad MMeb t e hi le MM Ira eel hewed
erg esbersiellere es le whew ba qed Ibe phielgolirhe
dais asemeleled. Ihey night memo lime II wall
be at a dale tee 'sleets to mew way leash sereile
mikes at t. Last yet they bad bed emuseelkaw
whit* bees sailed Wows ia able woe
• eats* la &bolsi. (Cheers.) If lbes th f ewe gibe
weemesese a system of subsidies, le wseli beanie lbe
You le ~Wee weU what they MO about to Is The
mews ad subsidies bed hen milled ea all mike Ws
bath elders is priedgle sad peildelseili bewails=
bass.) At the eta of the lest weer II was tli•
spoke that maks bee meow semis, amid just*
gediewleat is seal essertiag nob sresew, Oar I wee
awe that at awe delilitatid the stale wYeh lied reassess le
iR awl that whist rearived it. (Hear, bear) If
re wimp* Mit bet duty to emberk la •
Pam, Übe ought to he to sub a Maherrbil=
Mme Ora use Irrupt» brags aid. Oaths
• gm._ *Mae itself shwa is the males of a WI
blew fa leans teteane to seerseatry aid la Grim le
Mow sembis which it malt to be abbe te
by Its 01,11, weenies sad rowrs's. Mew bur
Be riatilimlrel=t Inn as
that a saWaY
to %lei •••• ; list hi the yesesat
aye Aitameise wend* beta inde we
wadi I Nil& Otelli eel whet 164
Met entreat weeeseby Vae Wen %wettest whisk tki

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ao, Seek_ t maim of $1 goigebasatot
mediae lomat ildieslikte lu *ltch they wetePrevep—
Tre ye they bed Weak is a bill to p
at loge Issi&ust
nTnrie, worthi
• the bilirwas the property sold, sad
peemadiapplied to the of the year;
assert ea iambs of the were paid oily is
*APP. sr. lithos seek Ineillittes were rearmed
of the eastiery add set be geed. Another
assialisseteheeingehlesperty. The
to ta4 011 IsePenr et s auobst
sad Maim lame, end apply the prestede to the
411/1111111. Of the state, paying die owasto do pro-
perty is piamist paper. These two eircemetasest were
gate int Whew the home whet was the real elleesetee
al tide bin. The goverameat could not ripest that it
MwitweerbS pid. -Irby, thou, did not the noble lord
mat tamer* psi propene it as • subsidy ? Then had'
heft stogy suedes el mimaggemest is the codes& of this
war; sad sow they sew the peeneeest neeelisi le the
vidaui ett*delastem e( eabeklideg fogriewetv.
No OLILDIITOIII Previews is the of the
beet. gestlems as be jest eatiews, I felt the comet
d this debate. sr sonvenslies, bad bees misestly sak-
Vri& ase moat. amity, theegh dilikest views
igs taloa by dims* geselemen of the gespeal sow
by the p..--- 1, NM of them s esd
ele we peal St WM, tviestiaia&aer sattleetv
ilk progeol. yet set • word halms aid say
imams is guy plan et the hoses whin add teed te
=dekko kagaggeopeatisi the fee of this emastry
liatdide. W. Wm) And ling riaa to offer a
filliebeskelkes Se the somitlne, it is beano I tidal that
gibe km. pad a= who has just sat dews. if
MAMMON wage made eggs it he a different sense, would
may w hiassoste to psoles to the country of the W-
inpr we enemata. beer.) I think that my
his. Mead She amber he Mass (Kr. Dalres) stated
wall the peeks dela whith ilerdials bee epos is,
=stir/ gospel. Ia • pried, the male el width
Ala pasy masa he km lageotabb
Is tie program of eseetitaksal severessat—is b pad
obis may, aline lea ha the mire of hedges Gam
ashy with* tisk gap aadvese have lostest, it again—whoa IF
ressioa, tether Ike adm bee is may ems
tivimarked Pososes Itherry—lhabis is a esastry
sada dtilieddee data mormiskaled, les aggesied
stabildia for heeeelf the biasing of a fres geteesmest
ghat, hem) It is indeed true that she has not enenenhid
nem=hatgroolstioaary spirit; and these eke are
whether in Italy or in may elm am-
liter,l6lo Mlllitihsted the seam of their Wimp% al have
beim the eleasseet teams ty to the true podgy-el ligaiale,
by kit ibm—ael they, the ideas of emeislies wad the
pealed hasisdied==maketa eves pesor_esime-
te the tree t of ilerdlabsthe.
they hate-dose to despelhatirgetkar parts of Italy and of
Iteeope , (Hear.) dad I AM that that Is a fact which
es& to Secure from the his. mamba ea I sou certain it
will emote female* even see ate hears me, that respect
white is due to is egiselisa dike tea ad temperate, of
the prissideld keska seabed with the principles of
audio (Meer, bees.) lea bond dm to say, sad I hope
I shad set egad the ?senate( goy pattern's in this hount
by es se, that I think the Imo amber for Melton wee
adverting to that sates which premin—which
---vas—betwees ski? sad Mike= liberty—a subject

Om
apirtiralles cr.
tatistiotiou to my

of t..... engagement, ...._
goverumeat of isureen, miry .
misd as they-llMPlestriod to my noble friend at the no.-
the government, end to the Earl of Clarendon, as the prin-
cipal minister remissible in this transeetiou. (Hear, hear.)
Still, if ft be a leen, se I have no doubt ft is, I pant that
evety kind of aid to foreign countries, for the purpose of
eetryieg on war, is In soy cue a very serious matter. This,
however, is not the first time that aid has been extended by
us to foreign Gauntries . tiring the present war. It I the
first time that it has been extended in the shape of mosey
but other services have been sounded, which, if estimated
in money, would amount to • very considerable sum, both
with respect to the Bade sad the Mediternsean. And I
am sure the right hon. gentleman does sot mean to go the
extreme length of stating that we are entirely to abjure the
principle of making the resources of this country available
for the purposes of war, otherwise than through the medium
et our own military wilehlithisents ; bosun, while I feel
yak him that while the system of subsidies, es carried on
duel/lithe lest war wee both irises to the states recede-
keg theft and le .ewer..., yet think there are drown-
seines attesting the meths of this country, and the ins-
seem unseen of Its pecuniary means and resources, as
Gemmel with its military means, which make it obviously
neennehie thee, with echoes en to the mode of giving effect
M the
iisysweeitslieuld set absolutely out yourselves off
from to kedge sties., in one shape or
another, Mose the protecutim of a
common AIM through the Itallana of a loan. (Hear.)
It is not ooly fa the last war, but in every war also the
Revolution that you sited on that principle. The only
qesitlie thersibie iv, whither the hese is safe end judicious,
and whither them is is edsgethe swiessity for wonting to
such a resehities. I Wm the Aim le safe sad judicious,
and I say that bessinstaviiiiislee the NOVICSIIiIIt MMUS for the
bona ft... of the and for the &Amities that it
is sot • subsidy that we MC sliessesies, buts simple loon of
missy. Then mist the Moieties, is it necessary ? That I
auk requires bee little ergmeest. No one can say that it
is see se to bring se sensidereble • contingent into
native service the Crimea at the shortest sone, aid in
the aide of operations so vital. (Hear.) It is said, " Here
you on at the end of the first year of the war obliged to
esk for foreign aid." That may be so. But did not the
some thing happen in the last war ? In the second or third
year of the last revolutionary war, we gays a subsidy to this
very Sardinia. And if y_os have to do this et all. the quicker
It is doss the better. (Hoer.) It is not good policy, it is not
humanity, it is not even economy to protract the operations
of war. (Hear.) To accelerate the operations of war, and
to strike a blow at the most vital part of your enemy, that
I. the foundation of sound policy, and instead of making our
preparations too late, aa the right hon. gentlemen on the
edaer side has mid. perhaps our efforts were too early. The
miming' of the Sardinian contingent, in order to give
Abe to such a policy, Is an ample justification of the propo-
sition of her Majesty'. government. At the same time, I
think the whole question of pecuniary aid to foreign powers
ought to be seniUnised with the greatest jealousy, and that
measures of that class could not be justified without the
clearest foundation of public advantage, and the cloned
proof of their aseemity. (Heir.)
Mr. ADDRILLIY said the noble lord who introduced
this reselaties seemed to think that the character of the
king sad esseihnlies of Sardinia was • sundries motive to
indite. the hems Magree to it. He would not deny the
ladies of the passprie which had been passed on both, but
something mere wee required to justify the House of Com-
mons in essides le a loan. Whatever the character of the
present ese—whether it was • subsidy or loan—it
was at best se sit, sad however faithful Sardinia might be
M km ingsgenetsle, they could hardly hope to see the day
when the espied would be covered by • sinking fund of one
per Gent. They were asked for a million this year, and •
million neat year, and there was something in the resolu-
tion which was calculated to lead to the suspicion that a
million • year was to he paid to Sardinia sturenre hello. The
noble lord said that the epee of 1,000 soldiers was 40,0001.,
which would gin 600,0001. for 16,000 men. But 600,0001.
was little more than half the sum to be paid to Sardinia.
(Hear.) If this was bat a temporary aid to Sardinia he
hoped the government would make the most of the time, in
order to develop the warlike resources of their own country.
But if it was a permanent loan he did sot see why England
should be celled on to give it any more then France, or any
other country, as it was to be presumed Sardinia entered
into the war to battle for her own interests. Ho would
ones mon urge upon the government to have recourse to
the colonies for volunteers and soldiers. He believed that •
regiment of 1,000 Canadian riflemen would be of more
value to them than 16,000 Sardinian irnaPai although he
admitted the Sardinian army to be • gallant one. The
noble viscount asked whether they wished to send out raw
recruits to the Crimes. No • but was the noble viseouat
sure that the Sardinian trop ps were all veterans? (Heir.)
He would main urge on the government not to lose the
time which these contingents would give them to develop,
the reeources of this country. (Hear.)
Mr. EINNAIRD said that Swink gave the only hope
of good government to oppressed Italy, and he thought that
consideration should have inclined the hon. member for
Manchester to take • wider view of this subject than he
seemed to de. The right hon. gentleman opposite by his
remarks costributed to defeat the effect of the Foreign En-
listeneat Act—(bear, hear)—and he was sorry to hear him
say now that the Sardinian contingent would be tributary
and mercenary troops. (" No, no.") He took down the
right hon. gentleman's words. He knew that hundreds of
brave men would have taken servile under the Foreign
Enlistment Act were it not for the language of the right
hon. gentleman and others, which represented them as being
mercenaries if they did so. (Cheers.) And the language
he now used with regard to Sardinia could only tend to
diminish that cordiality between the two countries which
it was so desirable should Wet at the present time.
Mr. DISRAELI was surprised at the language of the
bee. member who had just spoken. What was the motion
before the house ? It was at least a motion for voting
public money to the extent of 2,000,0001., and yet the bon.
onion= was surprised that • member of the House of
should mane any comments on a proposition of
that character. (Hear, hear.) Why, it would be most
indecent in the House of Commons, however unanimous
they might be, if they allowed a proposition affecting
the public purse to such an extent to pees in complete
silence. (Hear, hear.) He entirely protested spine
what had too much developed itself is the course el the
debete—namely, the anxiety to call attention to the aster*
of the government to which they were giving what he
would cell, in order not to raise any. more discussion, a lout.
It wield be found most inconvenient to take into cosside-
ratios the state of religion and the degree of palled
liberty Is a mantry to which they were making
loss, limn the opposite set of arguments
be mid If they considered . it their interest to
make a loan to a country where a free conrinition
did ass exiiit. (Hear, hear.) He guarded himself urea
against casting any imputations on Sardinia, which, in
it week be quit* alien to his holism to do. The noble
imposed it se • blame to the government of Lord Derby
that they gases give a more effectual devimiest to the
militia. That hod bees so completely answered already by
the hon. gentlemen eitreite that he did not feel it mow
my to add snylideg thereto. It was quits evident that U
• eLw fifths mew indicated by the noble lord were iss-
tooloosi kW tlot Militia Bill, it would have secured the
essibensetion of the mimeo. (Hear, heir.) It wee pee
posterona, on the part of the noble lord, to urge as a rases
for sot de the army and militia that any memure
of that hied impede die negotiations for peace, when
veg
at that the geterament of which the noble lord
we. smsmbee were preperim two magnificent fleets, two vast
uwai )--and why they did not do more to secure
a usessthely the army, he could not comprehend. He
could rely mount for such neglect by supposing that they
had an intention of seriously engaging in the war,
and that by sealing out tli.ir fleets they imagined they
would frightes Shammy and prevent him from entering
upon that war which the government by their policy entailed
on the country. (Hoer, haw.) The noble lord bad rnie-
represented what he mid es this point ; and indeed he never
linseed to so man nikeepropestations as the noble lord's
speech contained. ( .) He said he should support the
resolution, although be sop opposed to its policy, because

• eremmies with which we might open Mae paiiitul
deposes, la the recent history of Sunnis. Bat it is impos.
Ale as ae net to feel that Sardine has had difficuitin—
Ms hal amnia of • peculiar character—(bear, Mar)—that
bar Mimed Manilla, fomented from without, are of a
Maw KM bee pesaly leassaged the respontibilities of her
stalsems, bet must doe urestly increase her claim upon our
snowily and senpart. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman
says that the malt of Sardinia is bad—that her finances
are der a 4 so far from economy having been
the rim* of this state of things, the greatest
astraveonse prevails; that this extravegmes be
ail isheimee so the legitimate purposes of
bat That it is due to a lavish expenditure for trevulliallik
mf aumerlimi. And then he goes on to show us fatteas
width, us be thinks, semen his new of the case, and
WI Wes INS le as uatrustworthy state. I we.
=s to bear the km splatimea utter a put of those re-
Whim be gen that the ilaanose of Sardinia are en-
paid he the purposes of pailiamealesi ellansMion. ho
esters am a ground on whisk be meet kaew that it is
highly unlikely that any on. inhume who beard him abseil
b• supplied with the mesas of Istadag4lisent. (Hsu
hear.) I do not think
m? with to • frleadt;
power—abovo all with le a power thet due
act stand in the first rank Kamm es mauls the nevi-
tads of its resources—Guth a eMege should have been made
by the hon. member, unless he been proposed, Mt to
deal in generalities merely, ba( te go forward and apply
us with facts which would mamma hi In outing se amities
en impataton upon the tharester of that govesuenset.
Mawr, Mar.) As to his charge with regard to the Mate of
Of Sardinia, I must say I do not think that the
imam he has quoted are at all omelesin. (Hear, hear.) He
op VMS a lair has been pared aster whi dalovern
gm to sell the property of •• is Turin,
and lot the seeleamemes of the Moping by means of
government pew. WA I appeased that whys, is this
country; we haave oseirlea to Merin seder the smiths et
the law, we are very 10 to give te these free.whoa we get
the sa="o Gala: Mangiest thee that for whisk the
ben. mesas* have suds a inatempt mite the
name ef paper. (Hear, beer.) Goverment
rpm is thar a very good thing, or a very bad thing, in
peepertMn as the government is a government of eharestar
✓ot iewise. (Hear, hear.) No doubt there are many
esmildst—there are some states of Italy whisk I might
Etre government paper is of very little value
Mar)—bet the question with rowed to
which it is material for this Mum to
_liar, is this—has Sardine ever (broken a Smash'
si ? (Hear, Inez) I may be hat, se ter
asreZ:aware, all the Samna obliag=f a, not-
willeMadlog the great pealed she hue had to
.tent, ham upon every oeseelea beta met mid disguised
Mit amemplery flielity. (Hear, ham) If that be theme
I *Mk It is hardly fair that these britnatioes soil imputa-
tion shield be out upon the Amster of a gevermasat
whose faith has hem as yet ualeistail by Deviates. (Hear.)
It is very material that ace ershashe should exist sheet this
ys either this of the beam. Al impede the qualm ham-
dial* before us, Mr. Dint Meets that, as last year we
Mari of the expreseloa of a lank tthgeige, es upon the pew
seat semi= be thinks the lenge be. helm it • subsidy in
Meanies ; tad he has been followed by Mr. Bowyer, who
'Aura& him in this respect, bemuse he has
Eats and statement wile he thinks demos-
stale that this loan ought to bear the character of
a sabeldy. I feel, with Mr. Disraeli, that the whole wedge
stsabsidy is a very gran and serious question—(her, Mar);
—that, great indeed as is the responsibility of any
mat if they pprreeppaeasse a gamete say foreign state, say
eirmarageme *a greater would be that
sanity Ylisp peeped it le weellameat in a forst=
they bener4 le be delesies. (Near, hear.) I went treat
this as a meas. etslight_ Myrna's. It is of the MOMimperteme,
kaperteme, it this pro Meed Ism be not a loan bat a imbeidy,
that pielimagat should knew it. (Hear, hear.) Cleatlemea
will nesambee that disensisms to this house, at the present
• VOSS whether this le a loon or a subsidy, en not
am peeing words—(hew, hear),—but that these very dis-
order, may be, at t some • time hereafter, actually deter-
mining simian of the quetioa, and might actually decide
the gaged= whether it should be a loan or a subsidy.
Orhear.) It is not merely what is written in a treaty
Mewls* the spirit in whisk it is mule and received,
mid the goons! impretsion under which the vote of
t is gins. Ky belief I. that this is a
reams, te be, and not a subsidy.
The
talemeit
be Mph* thinks be can damnedest. that
▪ Y a oat nye :—" If it were not a salstidy,why
shield some to you to borrow —why she
met go Me the meaty market, as Other ematrise bags
dower is theened that the E Evarer of the Freadt had
them mg MI be maltve other Matte nete so in
Camitithell"t mak the bet 3swat•TlßMOtlMkaleall7 Ms or.
Weeds et mend mildew from the sepitMete of this
esentry. Bat I ilea Weis the hen. gentleman !studded
I. tomding say simiadila upon the bet that the King of
has palhesed a lean which be expects to obtain
Iblestat the Poweead rmisrem of England, at 3 per cent.,
to a thee is the mosey meeket, which he would have to
senesest at about dyer seat. (Hest, bear.) And the bon.
palms. will remember that groat as are tits credit and
sesemeasefF=Celti them of Sardinia, yet the French
Ilea me talc at gessething impeding 6 per cont.
Theselkee is • natural sireumetanes
that the =fag of Said to have this money,
*bald prefer is have it ems the meet reesesulde terms on
Wit be maid obtain it ; and, at it is possible for him to
abate it from the British govirament upon teems much
lamer than he could get it in the open market, it io perfectly
amoral that he shesld be laziest to reams the burdens
whisk mak • loan must impose upon his own people to
theta ens-half the ansmat which they would otherwise
raw Mt to bear. (Hier, hear.) And if there IS this
leollthiste motive for the smesdhg, we an not defeat to
the asemeig of supposing sa Was
meths, and
of
the King of &Mink is playing &juggle uponth▪ e
of England, sad intends, by these saute, to
lutist as a subsidy of mosey. (Hear, hear.) I am
Miami die gut of Sardiaia, during the mansuni-
mime have proosded this arrangement, have been
yteratressis %diarist upon the quanta whether this
be a loan or a graat. In their minim it ones
ail SlMPdble with *el dbdaterested motives sad
telliea the am hand, With whisk they bed mitered
Me war, ner, as the other hand, with the real dimity,
M unimpaired dimity whirls they think belongs thelr ,
country, that they amid aster • grant from Chest Britain
for the pa of the war. Hear, hew.) I believe that ,
MIS the who wets the Ise* melees,
:lab kelt yea a . Nay, I mdelelemil, tha=
teem delmithed set Is ham a gabs* *ea the
(Hear, bast.) I
labtrissals,
Mitrilathhk Um have mama
mere; they rew from Thum messy uma hip=
arms; and they have eating Me alliptioes whit& Med
them, Male half yeer frets the Fume tine, te mike the
img molest of tatity4; se tbas to pylons etc

.able gentlemen
.1 the oharawer of
virtually a subsidy
misfortune to be
to a of
...ot sorry to have the
renewal of the system
in the hands of
Ad he had not that
A that he would sue.
.ear, hear.)
. the right hon. gentlemaa
aduipiesented what had fallen from his hoe. fined (Mr.
eems quoted
. Ilythheisright hon.
itteinatlemrefesarendeeid
tonottappliesithnei
nuesere, of Mans the observations of his hon. friend fell to
the ground. He asafessed, , however, that he was rather
=.at hearing the right bon. gentleman—wincing
thde taunt of his hen. friend—driven to mum his
asegeatulation at having, as he conceived he had; by indrut
mesas contributed to the marring of a measure which par-
liament had deliberately sanctioned. (Hear, hear.) He
should hardly have expected that the right hon. gentleman,
considering the position he held, would have taken pride to
riumitt)
himself for accomplishing such a result. (Hear, bear.) He
could assure the right hon. gentleman, that U that semen
wu obtained by what fell from him and his friends is that
and the other boon of parliament, it by no means tended to
raise the country in the estimation of foreign nations. On
the contrary, he was bound to say, that the indignation thus
mated on the Continent had an injurious effect on the
reputation of England in foreign countries. (Hear, heir.)
Re mead not but help thinking, therefore, that the right
boa. gentleman rather hastily let drop the expression of his
mutation on what he termed his sue-
allisr.Te right honourable gentleman said it was
=mful that they should be obliged at the beginning
i. to have recourse to these extraneous means. But
It was precisely at the beginning of a war that these extre-
misme means might be necessary. (Hoar.) It wu at the
begisaim of a war, when they were called on to make a
great snit with a pesos establishment, that you wanted
this foridga assistance. But if the war continued any length
of time you might then raise troops of your own, which
would render foreign auxiliaries no longer necessary. (Hear,
hear.) The argument, therefore, that it was at a beginning
of a war they had recourse to foreign troops cut the very
opposite way to that for which it was brought forward.
hrear,
e hear.) He would no. say a few words on
question of this being a subsidy or a loss.
They bad fairly rejected the notion of • subsidy, ani had
seitmod into the alliance on fair and equal terms, though it
was more convenient to obtain motley on the security of
Ragland than to find that money oa their own resealed-
hihty. The right hon. gentleman seemed to think that he ,
had trespassed on the house by delivering a second speech,
and though he (Lord Palmerston) had exceeded him by one,
yet he bad thought it right to do so in order to correct some
misunderstanding. The right hon. gentlemen had made •
mistake se to the militia, when be complained that they
Ind sot embodied the whole militia at once, and said it was
a proof of want of foresight, but the answer wu that they
had not the primes the law then stood, for they only had
snob power in the cue of an actual invasion, or imminent
clanger thereof, and therefore it was not until they, had
pond smother act that they had power to embody the
URN& As to the Irish militia, that required another act to
it, but even if they had had the Scotch sad Irish
embodied at an early period, it would not have given
Sheathe force available for those purposes for which they
sow wanted the Sardinian contingent.
After remark. from Mr. WaLroto, Mr. J. Batt, Mr.
COIIDXN (who regretted to NO an alliance betweea Sardinia
and Austria), and Mr. Musa*,
The vote was agreed to, and the house resumed.
NEWSPAPER STAMP DUTIES BILL.
Mr. COWAN presented a petition from the letter-press
printers of Edinburgh, for the repeal of all restrictions on
newspapers, and praying that four ounces of any printed
matter might be allowed to go through the post fir one
penny.
Sir J. V. SHELLEY presented petitions from different
parts of the metropolis to the same effect.
Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from the proprietors
of the Illustrated London News in f of the bill, and
stating that great inconvenience and injury to newspaper
proprietors would arise if the question were not settled im-
mediately ; also four With's' from book publishers of the
metropolis, including Mews. Longman, Murray, Chapman
and Hall, Roulledge, Bentley, &c., praying that printed
matter might be allowed to pass through the poet at the
rate of one penny for four ounces.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved
that the bill be read • second time.
Mr. DEEDES rose, in pursuance of notice, to move as
an amendment that the second readies be postponed till
after the Chancellor of the Exchequer had made the finsa-
ate statement.
The question having bean put,
Sir B. B. LYTTON could assure his hon. friend that it was
with sincere regret that oa that question he found
Weigel! obliged to differ from him and many
other members on that (the opposition) side of the house.
Before he sat down he should examine the validity of the
erguments on which his hon. friend based his objection to
the progress of the measure. He was glad to find that he
did mot attempt to restrict the debate to the cramped and
sorrow ground put forward in the amendment—the ground,
aunely, of pounds, shillings, and penes. (Hear, hear.)
He himself must advance some claims to the remote pater•
nity of the principle, at least, of this measure. (Hear, hear.)
He was, he believed, the first person to Introduce into that
home • motion for the repeal of the taxes upon knowledge
—(hear, hear)—including the stamp duty on newspapers;
and as to his hon. friend's remark that this bill
had not been sufficiently keg before the house, he
must allow him to observe that it was more than
twenty years since he (Sir E. Lytton) first introduced
the question. He was then • very young man, and the
opinions which he formerly entertained on this subject
had not been removed, but bad been strengthened, by the
lam of time. (Hear, hear.) During the lest twenty
years there had been a great increase of intelligence among
the people, and the danger to be apprehended from cheap
publications was considerably lees now than it was at the
commencement of that period. But why had the danger
diminished? Because within the last twenty years all
kinds of cheap publications had abounded, and the public
had had the wisdom to choose the best and to reject the
worst. (Hear, hear.) He recollected hearing it SW
that the mass of the common people if left to thew
selves would have recourse only to licentious and immoral
publications. What was the fat? Why, that in propor-
tion as good books had bun made cheap, bad ones had ro-
treated from circulation. (Hear, hear.) Let them inquire what were the works that most pleased the
artisan and the mechanic, and they would be told that they
were cheap elementary scientific works, and those books of
amusement which were read equally by scholars and
critics. Yet, after the mass of the community had
disproved the alleged danger of cheep publicatioas,
newspaper proprietors had put forward, and his
honourable friend (Mr. Dudes) bad repeated, the
objection that cheap newspapers would corrupt the working
classes. Was it, he asked, the cheapness of the newspaper
that was to eerrupt the artisan, or was it the vileness of the
artisan that was to corrupt the newspaper? (Laughter.)
He agreed with his hen. friend that it would be an set of
justice, as well as of sound policy, to give to newspaper
proprietors an effective and simple law of copyright. He
thought copyright should be protected by the provision of a
*upend summary mode of proceedingoimilar to that which,
was provided for the benefit of manufacturers. Farther,
I issmed to him, that when they were framing a geared
law, under which newspapers were to circulate
illeseigh the post for a penny, it was but fair and
Moral that they should take as the standard that
newspaper which had the largest circulation. He had
boos told sines became into the house, that the Chancellor
SI Wee Exchequer meant to return to the principle of weight.
If that were so, he should adopt the principle of the weeds
Expend* Atrosibelais. (Laughter.) It was puerile to separate
the Times from its supplement, the supplement being au
Integral part of the paper, and that part, too, in which the
mercantile portion of the community took the meet lively
, interest. He was far from feeling any 'grades waist the
existing newspaper press. On the contrary, his valued It
highly, alike for the ability with which it was seadateed,
onil for the integrity of its conductors. Ho thought, too, that,
firelaSsieria the temptation to which its anonymous charac-
ter it, it exhibited v.- little of what could be
Par"—

-1, 0......- __ , very little cis .... ....... ma-
ke thoughttiers-74M a situation of state imemity which ~ pmensel &elan, ; and if he wiehed to point to
made it the duty of the House of Commons to support it. sum seemarial of existing cdvilhation, he should refer not
But though date necessity obliged him to take a course na disk 'damp, nor to their docks, nor to their public
which in the abstract he thought impolitic, still it was the not even to the palms in which they were as-
impolicy of her Majesty's government that brought about to the Ills of a daily newspaper. (Hear, hear.)
not
the circumstances which rendered this state necessity so He NNW the house that it was not the newspaper
imperative. (Hear, hear.) It was only last May that the which formed the taste of the public, but, en the contrary,
noble lord said the lesson why the Scotch and Insh militia the taste of the puffs whish head the has of the news
were not galled sat was that the expense would be paper. The home had been told that tits show would
Ise great. What hind of withal Must the government have degrade oar prom, sad empansen had been made betwees
bad ef the nature of the struggle in which they were then en- the press of this emery end the Ai risen prow Tag hod
gsged—for war had been the. declared—when in last May been led to infer that the Aweless press was in the hands
any objected I. the calling out of the Scotch and Irish of ignorant and powerless new, whereas there was in fast
militia f (Ham) He did sot my that the neglect of the go- engaged upon it all the latelbeet of that country. Then
vernment in this respect was the only cause of their being was scarcely a stableman ea a nisaaber of any of the learned
obliged to have recourse to a foreign contingent. There professions of imp hoe who did not contribute to
was another miss far that necessity. If the government the American paladin/ press, and hence it was that
did their duty to the British army they tent to the Crimea, the editor of an Amide= journal ones said, and
this assesare mid not be necessary. (Hear) with great truth, "U our press is inferior to that of
The *id sandman the member for the England the fault must be in the country, for we have all
Daiwirefty ef Oxford salissanlially agreed in every word he the talent of the esnutry engaged upon it." (Hear, hear.)
(sir. Disraeli) said. The honourable gentlemen laid That would show how little the goodness or badness of •
that he was for vigorous action, and that when they ea- paper could depend upon aught else then the public. chars..
barked in a great undertakag it was their duty to carry it ter. (Hear, hear.) He would, however, ask the house to
en visored*. He agreed with the right hon. gentleman. come to the main principle of the bill. What was it ? Be
Bet if the war wee to be serried on vieorously there was would venture to place it upon rather higher and broader
nes thug UM important than even a British militia, or a grounds than the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whet is-
derdiaisw ipatinput, and that was, that when you had • deed, teamed to regard the bill rather with the frigid atm-
diet-rate Wray in the enemy's inanity you should have tion of stepfather, than the glowing love of its natural
taken ewe that they did not want nument—(bear, bear)— parent. (" Hear, hear," sad laughter.) He (Sirs. Bel-
that thillild not want food—(hear, hear)—that they did ewer) took it to be this; that you ought not, la. • bee
not ws*t isseislase—(bear_rhear)—that they did not want country, to ley • tax on she eapremion ►of populaisopision,
Avila& Moan hear.) Ma- Iteatimaaa opposite at- that you ought net te ley a tee upon the diffusion. of infer-
tasheiblesimed his bemuse, in the month ef De- masks of pulls sidle—spa being, 'wordilng laths ewe
walbali iblatliawibided biddlaatlY to defeat. the Foreign sanitise, the einem interest and sone= of ashjeee.—
Balhlment NM. Re wee pea that he contributed, however eta seiff ahem yaw ought not by means of alai tomekte an
die*, t°Pmalignta4lll/O**WWWW (Hear.) If is arddiall naensity for capital. Such were thsepitreinerlpho ht.
1
them oth of Dawn Day know, what they afterwards volved, seek the facts free whisk it was im Ade for
ham, wised the state of the army la the Orissa was, they bee. 'members to tam What Wu the spawn aiew now ?
Foreign Halletneent Bill, but would have called Ow Palen%
would .et have seemed themselves to a discussion of the It -,,b.maiii same to thie—uo man, whatever miiia be his
W seesunt for the condition in which 1 muldiDesi of MB 09i7aioe could gmbliiika :10,nial i, order to
Cralliv4 Wed kit MIMI lou.) Stitirt*ittadl'4lr 'pea hit illadt.si if he had. ut!ti at the ease of a drily
his hollow. Fu knowledge hie meaty, or tit,

journal, enormous capital, wad in the rase of. 117—k---*lteraybirtoinee'i
innsalp., arttecleaseyt.seHaeral
very
much
r e w weekly
vethow:nedrip,duonudbo.te:
dthTie:emtheertualti
was that there was a large section of opinion which terbil either net represented at all, or at least represented tyls
tWilliou ichotutul di somyeitnuatu,puoponn emitahneyr side of the"' tea;
public questions of the day, there was a single dailyP°e wi:
paper with which they could cordially agree. (deer, h
-I
Let the hoar take into ereideration the pest eon r'
—.'
party, let it consider their numbers throughout the coustuel"
—in the counties a large majority, and in even the 60,41
hostile towns a considerable and influential minoritymi i
it compute that party's strength, and consider how lar—osii
share of the cultivated climes amongst the gentry ite-le.
learned professions swelled its ranks; and, considering thee,
things, let the house come to the metropolitan journals
all
tell if these epinions were represented in any ' .--- propoeum
to the numbers and influence of those who Nei
them. (Hear, hear.) There were two means of to:
presontin opinions in parliament and through the
press. If be were to ask his hon. friend bey,
him (Mr. Deedes) bow conservatives were represented
in parliament, he was sure that he would reply, that they
were the largest body in the House of Commons ; sculpt,
in the press, there was no single section of popular opinion
which was so slightly and inefficiently represented. If his
hon. friend were to calculate and consider this matter, then
was ne doubt that he would arrive at the same conclusion
as himself. But if the present artificial restrictions were
removed, could his hon. friend doubt—could ary man
doubt—but that the talent and knowledge which the eon.
served?' party possessed would find its proper and natural
channel ? No doubt hut that all opinions would find an
expression ; but those which were sound would ski.
mutely, and within a comparatively short time, pre.
veil. Men of safe and sound opinions, who might be oe
the liberal aide, would feel it their duty to curb say
revolutionary excesses which the change of law might in the
first instance give rise to, and upon the conservative side
the change would but increase the number of its advocates,
He was persuaded that there were writers upon that aide,
gentlemen and scholars, who, if this duty were removed,
would publish some cheap journal, not attempting to rim
with the province of the daily press, but to convey opinions
which should be stamped by the publicity of their avowed
same. (Hear, hear.) Would that tend to lower—would it
sot rather tend to elevate the character of the press ? He
did not deny that the system of anonymous writing was
sometimes useful and effective, but the uniform and rigid
preservation of anonymous writing was the only power of
the press which he held to be invidious. (Hear, beet)
Nolan» able, no more accomplished gentlemen than those
who contributed to the principal departments of our leading
Ovalle could possibly be found; but it was vain to deny
that everyone felt a certain 11110911111014 of social intercourse
when he thought that the very hand which grasped his own
in friendship might on the morrow, in the exercise of its
profeuional duty, sting him through the medium of as
anonymous article. He (Sir E. Lyttes) recollected a tale
in which it was said that a witness against a man who was
charged with murder rested his testimony upon what had
been told him by a ghost. " Well," said the judge, who
who a mac of some humour, " I shall have no objection te
take the evidence of the ghost ; let him be brought into
court." So it was with these anonymous writers ; he had
no objection to take their evidence, but there were time
when they certainly ought to be brought into court.
(" Hear," end laughter.) His hon. friend below him (dr.
Dries), in common with some hon. gentlemen who bad
spoken on a previous occasion, treated this as a question
between the proprietors of newspapers and the tax collector.
iireally, he could not help smiling when it was said that the
reprieters of newspapers do net complain of the tax, sad
therefore it should not be altered. But what corporate
body ever did complain of a tax which restrained compe-
tition, and secured to itself a monopoly ? (Hear.) He mast
say that be had been amused to see the arguments pat tor-
ward byrhase who gave such very hard names, not very long
dace, to the ooaservative party, and who were at the pre-
sent moment using antiquated arguments for protective
duties amounting, indeed, to absolute prohibition. (" Hear,"
and laughter.) But the question really was between the
taxgatheren and the public. (Hear, bear.) And he ven-
tured to maintain, that they who regarded the principles of
the constitution, of civil liberty and of common sense,
would say that opinion ought to be free, not tented
round with fiscal regulation., but subject only to the law
of the country against treason, bla.phemy, sod slander.
These laws would remain notwithstanding the present bill,
although from whet hon. members said it would almost
emu as though they thought otherwise. It had been said
that the proposed alteration would lead to the establishment
of cheap slanderous prints, circulating among the poorer
and working classes. But the fact was, that among the
working classes these publications were never cirmiated to
any extent, and he would call the attention of the house to
the fact that at all times an evil press first spread it, cor-
ruptions among the aristocratic portions of the com-
munity. He would take the instance which was
WWI familiar. Was it not the wits, and the noble
and the high-born abbes who brought into fashion
mad first introduced the revolutionary doctrines of
Berstau and the infidelities of Voltaire ? It was not a
acre theory of his own that he was stating. When
a committee of that house sat upon the question some year
since, they found that upon the reduction of the stamp duty
in 1836, when one or two respectable journals were eiw
blished in the metropolis, they had, although far from first
rate, succeeded in ousting the cheap scandalous prints
which existed before them. (Hear, hear.) The house
ought to deal with this matter as the country gentlest'
did with his fields at home. If he wanted his grass Wiping
up frailly and abundantly, be cleared away hedgerows ad
gave it light and air; so in this case, let the house sweep
away these incumbrances and the result would be healthy
action. (Hear, hear.) It appeared to be superfluous at
the present day to urge the question, whether that ought
to be done by a side wind which no one woald dare to do
openly. The fact was, if the house desired to repress the
growth of periodical literature, it no longer had the power
to do so. The Chancellor of the Exchequer told them that
the stamp duty had broken down in all directions. There
were no less than 250 publications only partially stamped,
and which were all liable to prosecution, but the govern-
ment could not in justice prosecute one without prosecuting
all. The Chancellor of the Exchequer having pat the
house in possession of that fent, said if the present measure
were not passed the government must be armed with greater
powers of prosecution. He (Sir E. Lytton) ventured to say,
that the House of Commons would consent to no such arm-
ing—(hear, hear)—that it would never put the government
in possrtaion of toe means of staying those who were entices
to diffuse information. But if the house were foolish enough
to pass such a law, and to give such a power, be should like
to see the Attorney-General who would dare to enforce it,
and the government who would dare to empower him to do
so. But when the right hon. gentleman (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) said such a thing, he was virtually sayieg
that the law was dead ; he might retain the sword a short
time longer, but be could no more nerve the arm to
wield it. It was true that the amendment of his hon friend
did not go to the principle of the bill, and it was moreover
true that it was based upon a ground who would always
demamiszelititheaoserimsoushoanttefneteionnd
esofidththeatHthousee
billo Co
mmons.
(Keene ouolmdmesousons.
aim 01200001., and that at a time when the gaveremout
was "lard to call for additional taxation, in order to PlO-
arta rho war in which this country was engaged.=Nore,
what was ft with which we were at war ? It was not Rama
as Russia. In all matters of commercial intercourse Ennis
was our natural ally. (Hear, hear.) It wu only against
Basis when she appeared as the representative of barbaric
usurpation and brat* force that we made war. Now, be
would ask his hon. friend whether there could be anything
more barbarous than the act of stopping the publication of
as account of the affairs of the day, or whether he could cu-
ries any brute force more hateful than that of an Attorney-
General saying to a British jury, "Here is a man who has
sadeavoured tie enlighten you, to diffuse information, to
spread intelligence amongst has fellow countrymen; 1 all
upon you on the name of the law to suppreee that know-
=l to stay the exercise of those utaste which are so be-
ta yourselves, and which you so much admire."
=par.) But in fact he did not believe that the
or of the Exchequer would lose one single farthing
If he would adopt, as it was said he intended to do, the
principles of the former resolutions upon this subject. Hs
(Sir E. B. Lytton) remembered that when be went into this
oration 20 years ego, and considered the multitude of tracts
—literary, commercial, scientific, and religious—in short, the
vast amount of matter published for universal diffusion, he
had been led to the conclusion that a change would not he
feet lead to a loss of reveling. But even assuming a total
°al:81'11E-9 gibe
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aw)4?ova would
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thisefLeilitaaPeynoyfuea r
subjecta persuaded
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it asntiotkehtheeb etioanen p"fgor.surwmeeoonun IC?
representations which had been made by interested parties
upon the subject, but which representations were so out-
rageous, that those who made them would be the first ieb
laugh at the house if it put credence in them. Amongst
other things they said that the parties chiefly urging this
matter were men anxious to destroy religion, and to upset
the rights of property, as well as to overturn the pure
Isate of things. Now among the most active supporters. of
' this measure were the hon. memben for the West
wad for Manchester (Maus. Cobden and Bright),
allibleugh their views might be extreme, he had never heard
tido charged with a desire to destroy religion. Another
ueeloua supporter of the measure was cine who certainly
mould not deure to upset the rights of property—he mead
his noble friend the heir of the 110111111 of Derby (Lard Stan-
lay). (A laugh.) The other thief supporters of the bill were
her Majesty's ministers, and certainly they—if say body
ought to be contested with " the present state of thine."
(Cheers and laughter) Indeed the worth of these repre-
sentations reminded him of a story told of Hones Walpole,
Iffiessid that .lady friend of his had a fina set of testa. if
OM meld has said of a set which consisted only of two,aad
110111 of tbeem black. (Much laughter.) He hoped that
IMO Of I' is hon. friends would be led astray by these rope.
looldirtiO no, but that they would bear in mind that it wet
only Varough a cheap paper that they could hope to 0,1
thew views fairly brought before the notice of the 101.
boomilrolden of this country. People entered at a cheap,
at a row/ paper. Who. it was only the other night that
'ale hon. friend (Sir J. rakington), in the very intuit:loes
measure,which he made in introducing the spoke with
of the letters from soldiers in the Crum- Now
of those letters arose solely from the efforts d
Oft Ilterature—(hear, hear)—and mowed how littb
ntor
tage li
yea nasot to br tofe,tabkoewn•
irmuch
granted
to hope, from a
m pethanati psource-
-5P
elleteld be a low or unwise papa. There was one penny
pre, the Spectator, which did more to raise the akaruter
of this samatrz _ titan half the ponderous books which had
hoskitilillhh. Wieeen ) The etas of this paper al'o moved
that army %Imp wash. light or trivial makur. A strip wee

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iiimmadimat m reparations the eastatry lees aide to Oaf Say eraserity lee this • threepout, frunribet to Mt. The definitenisis of the tarsal teed where Mr. Pitt had failed. (Hear, by
set ben eimiduedinevitable; foe, if ban.Ramat apwasee et Ilse puebnient pinkly*. of the engapti~md the unequivocal 1113111TOZOIN of the Lord PALMERSTON said that the right
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