The Express.
London, England, 1852-03-30 00:00:00

renlistmentAl

voluntary falling short of the numb •rs we want.
With regard to the expense of such a force, if 3!. a loan was
paid ea bounty, the sum required for the first 50,1 M U m a
would be 150,000/. • and the 30,000 seen to be raised restyear would cost 00,4001. 01 course, if the bounty was st,
the expenditure would be somewhat more. The pq and
allowances to 50,000 men with officers would be for 21
87,129/.; marching money for men joining oral returning,
6,2501. • carriage of baggage, 5,000/. ; ehdleug, at 1/. Iris,
a man:93,6131.; extra 11110N4lICCI to innkeeper.. 15,O011.;
making a total for 1832 of 207,012/. The 30,000 men pro,
posed to he enrolled for 1853 would entail an additional et.
!sense of 38,027/.101. for the 21 days' training ; with 3,823/,
for marching money; 2,180/. fur innkeepers' allow:oat, •
clothing, at 11. 15s. Inv man, 53,530/. ; makine, with
some allowances for medicine, &e., a total cap( oditure r
the two years of 311,9321.;; deducting the cost of clothing
provided in 18.52 (93,063 L), the total cost of 90,600 men for
1833 would be 218,2,48/. • and again, deducting the cot of
clothing in 1843 (33,3341.), the cent of tritium; for 1:4;1
would he 161,7381 The coat for flee years, he heliesvd,
might be taken to stand thus :—For 1832, 2011,01 W.; to,
18.33, 210,0001.; fur 1b;i1, 100,000 t. ; for 18:3.5, 160,Gnoh ; for
1830, 100,000/.

Mr. BRIG lIT.—Is the ballot to extend from IS yeart of
age to 34 years of age ?
Mr. WALPOLE.—Yes: that is a limitation from the old
rule of 10 years.
Mr. DIM I IT. —And an addition of 10 years, distinguish.
ing the proposal (ruin that of toe noble 1 Rd.
Mr. J. DUFF hoped that this bill would nut lie 'ut-
terer...ll with, for he considered that ouch u me oare e
as
tautly of the character which ought to be ouiminted, in
the first place, to the constitut ncies of that (Dent)
Mr. COBDEN said—The right hon. gentetuan ul.o has
introduced this proposal to-night, as if to utak, a moil.. es
of it, and as if to leave as without a shadow of pr tens a to
go with to our constituents, has gat, d, speaLie, nith the
precise knon ledge he has uu doubt acquired iu aim, that
we are in a safer (state now, as respect. dattp re of
hostilities, than we ever were before. A !:-.Taunt
officer be !dad me (Sir De ',ley Evan.) rt Kr,
seating a most populous and wealthy city, tier cti of
Westminster—that constituency which we wer told wa, to
have been invaded and even i.illaged by a foreign e,u 1)
got up to night to protest against this measure; he
gave us ell the weight of his professional authority, ,t,
that it would be impossible for a foreign enemy to C 0;...
such a force as would be wanted to invade the, cno.!r,,
with such a rapidity as to take tIP by surprise that ;
it could not be done without giving us adequate wcraiag
and time for preparatioa. The not& lord, the meatier tor
Tiverton, euttttatliets that; hut I suppose that the tie
lord's military capacity, entitling him to sneak on the
question, ran only he that of a militia-man. (11 ~r,
hcar.) Tbe noble lord gives it as his °Mai ~,,, that it sse,,w,
be perfectly easy fur an enemy, on the other oithe of the
Channel, to prepare his invading force with each sudd..n•
nos that in our prevent circumstances we would be pr. ni-
rally defenctless. (" Ileac, hear," Iron Lord Palmer :,.• .)
The noble lord cheer, that sentiment. Eat 1 re any thii.i;
that in such a stutter as this we ore not at all to
defer to the opit.ions of this or that member of the ;
for there are hiouvical facts which may qui.le us very wily.
(Hear, hear.) This invasion of England, your
wa, contemplated 01100 by Napoleon the °feat. 111,re is
certainly an historical controversy whether he ra!ly ever
was white. in the design, but at any rite he acted es
tlmugh he were in tamest, and it was balers.: that
he would attack our 6hons. It was frup;.,ettl that
not less than teen were to he brouOtt oen.s

the Channel, as the least force that could be our. nipl7,;ii
And it took twelve months to prepare for as the, ; In ~a-ket
ket the force in all the ports on the mace side of the
Channel, French and Dutch; and, coca afti r ail tlaa,
Napoleon did not venture to make the att eek. (lb er,
hear.) Take smother instance. Tile same Naracen reale
a so-called sudden attack on Egypt. In that case them
were not 150000 men ; there were only 40,0a0 men; Lot
those 40,000 men required 400 or 500 truinport, to carry
them, and their camp equipage, and their ataaa,
&c., to Egypt ; and, in getting ready for the
expedition, there were months of slow preparation.
The matter, indeed, has Leen settled by sound military
authority, which decides that a great army cannot make a
sudden descent on our coast, because, being a great army,
we could anticipate it ; and, now the clanger is said to have
surpriseenhaosen'aar and:ow(
,a, smalltwac., bodytoldte , opftlha
contemplate
0 0:0,ho
weary eltoda,„0:4(1:1L :Id
..':
..ig.i,.3i 2,
. itt:e!,,
against us, for the mere purpose of doing nuacha f, knowi,ia
that they marmot get hick, and ready, therefore, to he
sacrificed ? Would a militia prevent such a gangue rulatas
coming over ? Why, the ea...tome ofa militia would inena,e
the danger ; for such a luaatic gang of ruffians would think
it then a far wiser plan to come over individually, to get
regular passports, to distribute themselves :islet the
country, and to increase the mischief by dividing the mur-
der and devastation. (Laughter.) Yes, you I:ugh ; bat
it really reduces deaf to this absurdity. (Hear, hear.) I
can't treat the thing as serious. Haut stems to me to be
this : that somebody wants to create soldiers ; that lords-
lieutenants want patronage and fuss ; that somebody
elm seeks amusement with red coats; and I do not
believe that anytoily in thin country seriously en-
tertains the fear of au invasion by France. (Hear,
hear.) All the, a•vidence proves that the French go-
vernment is contemplating anything hut an attack on
*hie country, or on any other. Would any govern-
meet undertake to arnica the Five per Cents. into
Fust-and-a-Halfs, if it was contemplating a war? I tut it
to hon. gentlemen whom I ate arouud me, capitalist who
are making railways in France, whether there ever was co
much English capital going user to France. to mace rail-
roads, so at this moment? (Hear, hear.) You surely sea
not sending your money acmes to a nation which is hut a
nation of banditti, who would taake war on you without
cause, and without declaring war ? (near, hear.) Why, in
making a proposal like this, you ask us to Like leave of o .r
senses. You are assuming that France would make war
014 you without calculating the consequences that mut:
befall the commerce, the property, and the lives et an,
people wantonly assaulting a country of such vast ureaas Eagland. (hear, hear.) You assume that F e does
not calculate the retribution that would follow . n her
crime. You speak and seem to think of Frame as of a
body of ancient Scantliusviunx, without commerce or
industry, with nothing to lose, looking only to pil-
lage and plunder, aria indiftvent to the consequences
to themselves of piracy. (blear, hear.) Why, what is
France ? There is as real an amount of portable wealth in
France as in England. You talk of your Batik. There is
more bullion in the Bank of l'aris than in the Bank of
London. Do you ask me to deal with such a people as with
barbarians, as pirates—a people without common sec.., and
not able to tee two inches beyond their noses ? I beg to
remind you that the French nation is only second to our-
selves as a manufacturing people. After England the ma-
nufactured productions of France are the largest of any
country in the world. With the exception of Eng-
land no country depends so much on its supply of raw
materials, to carry on its manufactures, u France. 1`2711.
Beat, manufactures more for exportation than any other
three capitals in Europe. France is a great iialuarious
nation, which has given pledges for good behaviour, which
has vast interests at make binding it over to keep the peace
in regard to Its neighbours. (Hear, hear.) You ask me to
forget all this, and to assume that this Fiance, without pro-
vocation or motive, is going to assail our shores. But I can-
not forget all this; and I cannot assume so much while 1 ten
these chances against any invasion of England from France.
You do more. You ask me to enter at once, on this ram ra:itioa,
into expenses which would amount to some very imp ortent
taxes we want to get rid of. My right hon. friend (llr.
Oilman) iv labouring year after year to induce you to take
off the ..taxes on knowledge." Why if we are to ionic the
coat of a militia, we cannot take off those most improper
Imposts. Again, the hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Frewee)
desires to relieve the suffering farmers of Eat Kea from
the duties 011 hops; but a militia would absorb act touch
money that those duties would have to remain on. I tales
all Otis into consideration. Certainly, if you could
Flay at soldiers without toeing the people. or
If you would conscut to tax property instead
of industry, it would tan a different thing. But you will
not; and therefore your militia world mean a continuance
of taxes on industry and a retention era tax on intelligence.
(near, hear.) I ask for reasons for these proposals. There
the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) meets us and puts it te, a
matter of asto&ehme ut that we should demand 11.3,011 F.
We are at peace, he bays, its doubt ; but that is no ream
why we should not prepare for war. After some further
remarks the hon. member asked where was this tendency
to increase our armed force to end ? Already we hail twice
the number of uniforms maintained in 183 a, and awe went
on in this way, we should in another .10 years of piece have
es many as France, had. There had been no nein act on
the part of France againrt this country ; Ina it was cowar-
dice to be constantly asking preoaratious of defence
against imaginary dangers. When it was said our stand-
ing army was scattered over the colonies, it merited to be
forgotten that the whole expense of that army was lamb
by Great Britain and Inland; and now we had establialed
free trade' would it not become a question with the consti-
tuent-ice of this country whether these colonies should tot
pay fur their own defence ? It had been hinted the other
night, that if we brought our chips from the Mediterraucan
to the Channel. France would do the came ; but that went
I to show, that if we brought ours home, and laid them CP
I in ordinary, Freace would do the name. Believing the
measure wholly miners, try, he should oppose it in i v TV
'tj
• ge,
alujor BEUESFORD staid the hon. gentlemen btu
made a tour a pears and goad will throughotit b.,' '`'.
soil he returned in 1847, prophesying the reign el a,.l*
ecru! conconl, not only its France but throughout Enrol,.
and yet thu year after there were wars and rumour, ea
wars, not only between hostile nations, hut elli'P•11, .'n
brink al against citheetis, and they cut each others thirsts
by wholeeale. (.. Oh, oh," and hear.) Ile , 4.1.1 not,
therefore, place implicit confidence in the hon. roalti,'"a
now, when on the ocen,ion to which he referred lie e..- m
tried and found so decidedly wanting. V* Oh, eh...) 'lb
hon. gentleman India, that whru li:ipolron nuiit.t,dJa
invasion of this country in dada, he amid no .
t bad se l'
enough tl/ umpire/ has army. But the hon. eaol a or
forgot that the mvention of meant made the greatest aide',
mice in that respect. (Bear, hear.) And when tic' Loas
gentlemen said that railways gave them the power oteara
estieratiug a military force in a short time in the seta?! of
England. in ease of en invasion, he forgot that the y ,aa-
iitawioir:y. Irmo;
eikan.:at hnh.e:nrit.iiitehi Ito' nafwppee T
Francea fo concentratingrhet.h ei pau r:.paho LI: 1 ~
to.' il
,tr:.;". ,
had so large an army—larger then slip ?antra d t . he
nee die pitmen, s—this Gauntry ought aot to he 1, ft i ..a...e:
ditiou in which ,he would nut bu at tu to de 1. n.I '-e., l•
(Hear, hear.) But it wan not la.eall'e they were a ''"''
dimouton:maisnclesicointisrna'attil'enTY:aithnrge""masa"tn toll'irle:fa'cc. greatt
should
protectingtl abi
ame:i ul
' herself.7s2 tt ::
fl
14 wtehlAitis' timesll , .
~l:L'a2ihilt
because they 11/ratted a hostile form from Boulogne. " 4°Y

- ~• that they proposed the measure, but seeing that
iste“ • • "
• s. of transport were easier for any power that
me. at posed to invade them, it biome their duty to
ire that the• tonaltl. whose shores poremcd • gloriaus
im-
a a 1 y had a force watch would be ready
(Ilear.) The house should now consider
igufit the bill of the government WAS the best that could
* hr.,at• t forward, and whether it would be the least bur-
▪ to Me peopie of 'Ls country. He maintained that
...id the speeches hith had been made in oppo.
tLe Immure proved that fact. The great objection
biU
mute of the late government was the system of the
kgat shibt the
cam. measure of the present
of
lhat not
government was
grenoas that objt ounis,on tha ba
.M bid of Lau, of the digiculties which Bar-
ran hd the measure of the late post rnuaent, but it dist atm'
11,‘ at art the house of a portion of thcir spacebar.,
b,....rked that hoc. aft ittlemen had made shorter
they would hare done if the ballot formed •
of th.: .14.11114 • e hon. and gallant member he
leckupter. e1....ca1l to the dilhaulty of gettmg volunteers.
• ya. 1.1 hate Clought that the lion. and gallant general
vim hair Men the List to make such an objection
,te, Mar) fur if •Ae r eple of this country were
;4 to it, t. Spaiu, to l'o..tirt .1, and South Miseries. it
• suguteial and unjust t......pp00 that they residual
,‘,17 ..• ~.giar forward in &Omer of 04 Easier&
• he..r It a.s cool the 'aid ought to bo thrown out
it de, ilot toilette Ireland and Scotland. lie can-
-4..1 fanner precedents in sod
Ir.Ltaul or skattliml in the hest inatauer. This
1. It tw thstruttor,:l'aer (et land or Scotland. It.
;a▪
wlend t.a measure a men ore t•I protection-- Weal
ta't a 1114.1A1f, of nrot. own to the apical...A
• hi.: t • I;.attslit interests and to MlA-
rtMa 10 the virtue, iudtistry, and chastity of
it •nital ch,et )
eral *hit when the interest. of
ki,,Atiy w.f. euswerneJ, be lotlawed 0.4. se UM hich
k intteis's demanded, via:thee he sat on
• rt.oi.tenal or oppostties Mails. (Hear, hear.) Ile
cal larkelty) ht..l been amid fault with for
klll4 !Wt. Meat, But he would now t.ll the
ku.,4 oda. e.mutry that be was in • position, 21 hours
atary, g raiment aid given the order, to bring a tlect
of -moss, t whteh would reach from the North
the Chanel. (MMaim.) But the hun. gentle-
s=• dal Let Lams hsw many st.amer, wou:d be nect wary
beat lamer: be dal not even know the distauce,
mak of things which hr knew nothinit shout.
C..rs a..•1-toothier.) But thz hon. gentleman might be
... 1., I. wurstable ignorar.cc- -(loughter)—when
niy WILLA a k 111.111! otter in tke n try (an oil friend ..t
b. 'lwo, 10.1,1 was is the habit of writ* ktten to the
nrwspapers'., fo:lewing is the same canee of alarm, and
goyim{ that a taw pnett B ...n1 of Admiralty followed the
Nurse of Admiral 1)431.1. y all the el I ladits might put on
their mid go l , lied. Ile did nut kuow :f hi
sight allay to the salmi Ober the words of the old
ruse

sad the resit
tt _ee p..t 2.-1.9 ate -at
LLe with er'sr Mat bests again."
(Lawl.t.e) New. without the L:deuni tie. t the peens.
met hal thhe ste..esers is osittmierde n. 'they bad three
tent el. • to.aleCirs iu (.O.Am —ion. and they had fifteen
a,: t; ',ate stmaters which were ready to be sent to
point. (Clarets.) Men alone were weig-
h; ,Laa,:leer.) Her were they to man them ?
es tal..nt: irate orieen and 11 I.nd rigger. front the
diestaret.; and in thin way there were 1,1,000 men ready
rej.:a tl..t at Prroaport or Portsmouth, or wherever
I, thy re.,;ht be necessary. (Ilear.) He recollected in
N' that Mr. Calming leeeded. end justly Toasted, in that
house, that t e Tagus dos t had been summoned I.cre in 46
ant uhm this could be clone in 1527 ho thought
that in the ,:.-eat 4/, when they Ind steam and the elec.
:,;era; t:. that it could done in '24 hours. (Hear,
kw.) Cr he was not at all satisfied that they had men
pouch. hear.) The country ought not to be placed
a po.ition that the men would have to be with-
drawn from the dockyards. (Hear, heir.) He said before,
sad he my dad now, that this country ought not to be cos-
laud elaraii, peace with lee than one. third of the number
Of ince. nr.u.rol isitie.e of w,r. (Ilene. hea-.1 With re.
pm! to the elfkieney of the easy, he maintained that it
was as it:b....tit as the means placed at the disposal of the
&minkc would allow it to be.
Mr P. 'd.tULE was one of those who thought that it
leas the dot; of the citizeus of thin country to contribute to
its iatereal defence. Then. :Ore he quite agreed with the
Lht ton. rentlenian epposite, that, at the present moment,
the.e were no p erticular symptoms of d.mger firm
f:r.....lpute—when all ids.. seemed to leave passed away
cf .s aut. tenon to Meade this country—it was their duty
rim:. to e r the best mean* by which the people of
in:and could protect their shores from attack.
(H.?. 1w sr.) It had always appeared to him, that
Idea they tame to embody the militia, to appoint regular
etters, to draft the force ihto regiments, it was •
mos.re must bring into the field in time of war •
lon, a, e thee nt as the regular army of the country. Dee
what wt.. tie bill of the right holt. gentleman opposite?
It ;repo, e t, go a great deal further than that which his
tot:e frieed had asked leave to lay upon th, table of the
t.e..e. (Hear, hear.) The preposition was to all in.
tents and purposes a proposal to revive the regular
12.:.tia (Hear, hear.) Now, whet did that imply ? Why,
it implied that the parties who etwuld be called on to serve
teed oat necessarily be drilled in their own neighbonthood,
tat that they tnight be drilled at a vary considerable die-
ULM from their own localities; and, farther, that if the
tactics of parliament were obtained, they might be
lade to .erve during a period of eve years, whether to
met a threat of foreign invasion, or to put down domestie
titration. And thus people might be take a away from theft
It:4lm pmfestion. duriig lice y. an, and, what was wont,
wosW br I.reventeel from entering on any trade or baoiwass
(ortkct lion. gentienh re would tied that that wee
a far m re beedensonte prov:.ion than any eontaineil
to the 1.03 of the late government. Now, the
hceenrahle gentlemen opposite had said, that in
wrier t. 3 get rid of the unpopubaity of the ballot,
they would rely on getting volunteers. Now he
would ver.ure to state that th./ would get very few
tolvatters at all, though he was quite willing to grant that
eat vuluateer was worth many premed men. Hut its oyster
In got tem...teen it we proposed to give a bounty of 3/. or
fit Now. they would have to pay the whole of that bounty
ekes the lam entered the service, or they would give it to
La is ,mill monthly payment.. Now, if they gave the
ettle lam..oy at once, they would not, in nine Ca/Wll out of
tm tee the men a second time at drill. (Hear, hear.)
They vet.. l not get men w illingly to incur a liability of
Ming Ka: ...tit of their ehdriet for the paltry pay of du. Gel.
a sad. After all, then, the ballot must be resorted to ;
and on subject ho would ask the right hon. gentleman
'teethes I e had examined the coufneed machinery of the
/hewn; m -le of taking the ballot, and whether he knew
the lentil of time it would take to set up that machinery ?
Whence bee was understood) were to come the expenses of
the ballet •

ele W.% I.POLF. —Out of the county rates.
Mr. F MAI:111441 that would he a strange way of elk-
fisting hurdem. (Hear, hear.) The proposed force
mild not, h. believed. be brought into the field under ten
Maths. What wee mated was a force which could be
culled toe. tilt/ ia tea weeknasid such a fore. might be drilled
le nub •• that which it was now proposed to rail. That
▪ L. the peeper way Omit* open the country to de-
rma ra Qua shores ; and he warned the government that if
they had imams to the aid and regular militia in
time of rem the plan would utterly fail. A force
ihrigard fir the defines of tbi. country should he
feq latze. They should line 150,000 men of such an
op that tiny would n.it be married, and would be no bur-
an es Ito pariah; they should have persona at an ago
An they were sot hound to any particular trade, and
ides they could prosecute their calling conjointly with
Meir ral.te: duties; and the parties serving should retire
Img Lee.:e the age of 30, at which age they might, under
the out mum proposition, be even drawn foe the grit
pned. 'f i.ty should take meths at IS, not requiring them
lessee after 23, and they would then have ea Me a fume
el
meld ratably begot together. As to the present mes-
as*, Ile was of opinion that it would be found very tan-
" Etc.
110IIHOUSE said that until the right hon. gm-
tlemm, elm had just resumed hi. mat, advanced such
powerful arguments against the hill, he should have been
Inelued t • say that all the authority of that house was on
tese siet. ....I all the argument on the other. The noble
Med, the member for Tiverton, acd the noble lord, the
Member f r London, had giver. the it authority is favour of
the white's the right hon. gentleman (Mr.
lies:,, ....aim fresh from the labours of the War-ofEee,
had t : ..litta that it was impracticable. (Hear. hear.)
He should be the Met man to advise any arrangements
!a. proper defence of this eeuntry, but lee must ni-
ght ",
on all inch 0CC2.i0114 a. that, the precantion should
leer .• 111. proportion to the danger. (Hear, hear.) la the
i-• •le y had a clanger influit...invilly smell, provided I
Mau u•curity disproportionetely large ; and for 'hit
if lion. mend* re around him would give
implant, CUD in that stage, take a dictums
tgai..i •*: . Ito was convinced trait the dan-.r had
beta 4". •• .jr magnified. TAU hill would, it carried, be fruit-
MI -ea:r• •fjobbing. The land would swarm with colonel.; •
they me ems but red teats n would be abstracted
bra do if usual occupations and pleasures; and all this
umild I...ppen kr no earthly pr, tenet whatever thet
Would isstly sorb • prii us ('• Divide, divide.") I
U boa- goat amen were ready for • illvi•iins tie sae not. ,
You to :reirn might rely tli.y would he eur...11 to a me; re
Moulin the b oboes ler their %.,to of that malls, He
Mean: t: •.• who hod any euwilitatriciti; for MAC of them
Mee .• ry abort of eunititut (" Hear• hear," end I
Megtorr.) WWI* they were telking of ledlcAting.e4 the
Militia, t!..r country wax thinking of another kind of Pullet
"ot. I. liAlet fee ue•slrcn of parliament. (Heir, h or.)
leek ni was now proposed would be • source of
petres.7 • end jobbing, and p. 'hap• of peculation; sad it
' II peaces. Any one who emulted A:4,4y
Meld E that raw recruit. bud never Lees 3',11C to s.no.il
Bee ' regular troops. So it had been found in the
Moe tl I'.. amell, and fel imently siaee. Ile should move
Man or Inieet to add to the ~uestinn the words "on this
r I ..VDICIATE rare, ro.l was pm:ceding to adilrees
Ihr I • •uppoit of the motion,
kr. it ',LOUSE rem to OT.l‘l, said he boat pro-
Polled at. •,u, ii•linest which utliat ti be • econded before the
Asa. r wee heard.
. • .th hit said he d d not see how the words pro.
:.1 eibled by the tom. mover could be mend tea en
loses al. -fhe 'ion e in• Veit •er sin pi • ..114
to bring in the hill, alas which the .orluNen I-
rma ti r could be inove.l woo; I be Hint certain other per-
igees .• have it diT, to du se

14, :,..11/71/iiiiiss:d is.ll. member must submit
tt ,rtinestion of sot &Ann his num on the sok* Li
suteadzatut, which he &lira. was the übJcct
of the hw.. numbsr is the tmusa he had taken. As he