The Express.
London, England, 1862-07-05 00:00:00

RAILWAY BILL.

EAST OLOUCI

The LORD CHANCELLOR stated that on the examine-
tioa of William Irma and John Preston this day week,
with reference to the manner in which they had got up •
petition upinst the East Gloucestershire Railway Bill, their
lordships had reason to believe that these two persons were
the instrument. of others, and their lordships then ordered
that three other person. should be called to the bar to be
examined on the subject. He was of opinion that the
wiser course and the one more in accordance with precedent,
would be to refer the whole matter to • select committee.
He therefore moved that a select committee be appointed
to investirate the enbject, and that lasers and Preston, to-
gether with Mr. IL S. Lingwood, solicitor, of Cheltenham ;
C. W. Massey, clerk to Mr. Litigwood ; and Mr. Boodle,
solicitor, the employer of Imam, should be ordered to attend
Wore the committee.

Ut4TR617661i fMEd a this court'.
The motion vu to.
JIIIUBDICIION IN HOMICIDES BILL.

This bill pawed throe& eamasittse.
BRITISH COLUMBIAMDyas HUDSON RAY

OOYP .NY.

The Earl of DONOUGHNORE rem to move for copies or
extracts from aorrespoodsine• between the Secretary of State
for t►e Colonies, the governments of Canad► and British
Columbia, and the Hudson's Bay Company, respecting the
establishment of a means of communication between Canada
and British Columbia ; copies or extracts from correspon-
dence between the Secretary of State for the Colonies and
tits Hedeoe's Bar Company respecting the renewal of the
license to trade in the Indian territory which expired in
1969 ; copies or extract. from any correspondence between
the government end the Hodson's Bay Company respecting
the withdrawal of the Red River, Satchachewan, and Swan
River territories from under the control of that company.and
then erected into•colonydepending directly upon the crown.
The Hudson's Bay Company bad been in possession of the
greater part of the territory referred to for nearly two
centuries. They had the sole power of governing the coun-
try and of trading with the Indian tribes. The charter
under which they were incorporated gave them extraordi-
nary rights. At the time this charter was granted the terri-
tory wee daunt wholly unknown, but now, in consequence
of the discovery of the gold mines in British Columbia,
numbers of persons were disposed to go thither. He knew it
would be futile to ask the government, at present, to lay out
great sums of moony in the construction of railways or
roads, but they should facilitate the introduction of colo-
nists as much as possible into the territory, which, in the
course of time, would lead to facilities of communication.
He thought it desirable that they should be independent, in
peace and war, of any other power with respect to their com-
munication with this rising colony. He did not know whe-
ther the Hudson's Bay Company were the absolute pro-
prietors of the territory, or whether they held it merely
under a license to trade.

The Earl of SELKIRK said it wu of the utmost impor-
tance that the government should encourage means of com-
munication between Canada and British Columbia.

The Duke of NEWCASTLE had no objection to lay the
torrespooderice on the table of the house. He could only
hope that by further negotiation some satisfactory progress
would shortly be made towards coming to an arrangement,
and he thought that the company should give facilities for •
full postal and telegraphic communication between Halifax
on the one hand sod New Westminster on the other.
Lord TAUNTON believed that there were great prac-
tical difficulties in arranging this matter, but at the
same time from his intercourse with the officers of the
Hodson's Bay Company he had always understood from
them that they would stand on no extreme rights, but were
ready to facilitate arrangements with the government, and
that they did nut wish their charter to stand in the way,
andprevent settlements being made in the districts which
were adapted for the purpose.
After a few words in explanation from the Earl of
DONOUGH)10111, the returns were ordered.
QUEEN'S PRISON DISCONTINUANCE BILL.
This bill passed through consuittes.
CROWN PRIVATE ESTATES BILL.

The LORD CHANCELLOR, in moving the second read-
ing of this bill, said the crown appeared to have a limited
power of disposing of its estates. In the first year of the
reign of Queen Anne an act was passed restricting the
mown with regard to the crown estates, limiting
_the power
to grant leases of thirty yews at a time. That act of
coarse was confined to England. Subsequently, in the 39th
and 40th year of the reign of George 111 , it was enacted
that the estates of the crown acquired by gift or money
should be treated as private property, and not be subject
to the disabilities and restrictions which bad been imposed
by the act of Queen Anne. Is the Ist and 2nd of the
present reign an act was passed extending the restraining
provisions of the statute of Anne to the estates of the
crown in Scotland and Inland; but by an accident the
provisions of the act of George 111. IMO omitted from the
statute of Victoria. It was to remedy that defect that
some of the provisions of this bill were intended, inasmuch
as the estates belonging to the Queen in Scotland, and
which were acquired under the will of the Prince Consort,
came entirely under the spirit of the act of George 111.
Another object of the bill was, in reference to the feudal
tenure which existed in Scotland, to enable the crown to
hold the private estates of the crown in the isms meaner
as if they were held by subjects.
The Marquis of BATH objected to • provision of the bill
which subjected the estates of the crown to the payment of
rates and taxes.
The bill was then read a second time.
SANDHURST VESTING BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.

PORTSDOWN FAIR DISCONTINUANCE BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
The Consolidated Fund (10,000.000 f.) Bill was read a third
time and paired.
The report of amendment, in the Courts of the Church
of Scotland Bill was considered and agreed to.
Their lordship. rose at lire minutes part seven o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, JULY t
(Costinued from yesterday's Express).

)IBE ILABBS BILL

The remaining clauses ware agreed to, with verbal altera-
tions, and the chairman was directed to report the bill, as
amended, to the home. .

The Louse then resumed, pro formg, and at four o'clock
tits sitting was suspended.

The bowie memorable(' at 6 o'clock.
THE LAW OF LANDLORD AND TENANT IN
IRELAND.

Mr. MAGUIRE gave notion that if the government did
sot early in the oast cession introduce a bill to amend the
minting law of landlord and tenant in Ireland, he would
at the earliest possible period move for leave to
introduce a bill to amend the present law of landlord
and tenant there, and also a bill for the purpose of abolish.
ing the law of distress in Ireland.
BUPPLY—comurrEE._7THE_ TURKISH LOAN

OOIIYISSION.

Os the question that the Speaker do leave the chair,
_ _

Mr. GRIFFITH roes to ask the Under-Secretary of State
for Foreign Affairs visit progress bad been made by. Lord
Hobart and the Turkish Loan Commieitioo in extinguishing
the paper money at Constantinople, by the application of
the capital of the loan to the purpose of paying it off ; and
to all attention to the report of the commission, and also
to the events now occurring in Servia; and to move an ad-
dram for copy of any correspondence that had taken place
as that subject.
Mr. LAYARD imagined that the house would not expect
him to follow the bon. gentleman through his essay upon
Turkish fiance, for which, as he was not the Turkish Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, he was in no way reepoosible. So
fares he was aware, there was no intention on the part of
the Turkish government to esaquer new territory, or to
moinquer any that she might have lost ; and with regard to
her proceedings in Semi* and Montenegro, she had done
nothing to breast any treaty or obligation by which she was
bound to those states. As to the progress made by Lord
Hobart sod the Turkish loan commission, be (Mr. layard)
could not be expected to give information as to what might
have occurred from day to day. The Foreign-office knew
nothing of the matter, but when the operation was fully
carried out be supposed Lord Hobart's duties would cease,
and that he would return here and make a report ; hut they
were not kept informed from day to day what
the commission was doing. The hon. gentleman
said that a scheme bad been put forward for the redemption
of the paper money. He was not there to criticise that
scheme. All he knew was, that it bad received due consi-
deration at the hands of the commissioners, and been ac-
cepted by them ; and he was told that it was likely to effect
the object for which it was Introduced. This was all the
information he was in a coodition to give to the bon.
gentleman on the subject. He could not furnish the cor-
respondence that had taken place in referents, to Servia.
When the event' to which the hors. member alluded took
place at Belgrade, the Turkish government immediately re.
called the paella who was alleged to have been the cause of
them. and sent there one of the meet distinguished states-
men m their service, who, in ooejuoetion with the repre-
sentatives of the other powers, was now engaged in carry-
ing on a thorough investigation into the circumstances
which led to those unhappy occurrences, upon which, when
the facts were in the possession of the government, they
would be in a position to express an opinion ; but while
that investigation was going on it was obvious that it would
be most improper to lay upon the table statements which
were merely exparte.
The amendment was then negatived.
NAVAL COMMANDFM-IN-CHIEF IN INDIA.
Sir J. HAY rose to ask the Secretary to the Admiralty
if it was the intention of the Admiralty to make any in-
crease in the pay and allowance to the loyal commander-in-
chief in ludia, in consequence of the stoppage of the allow-
ance hitherto paid as baits to the naval commander-is-
chief by the Indian government ; if any incoovenienoe had
arisen in the selection of an officer for that command in
outsiequotice of that reduction of pay and to sieve an
address for retu:n of the pay and allowances of the military

officer in her Majesty's forces in India of similar rank to the : The SPEAKER then left the chair, but the chairman at
naval commander-in-chief in India. once reported pregnant
Lord C. PAGET said it was perfectly true that that
which was called baits money that used to be granted THAMES EMBANKMENT BILL.
to all classes of offices of the navy while servieg in the The committee on this bill was resumed at alum 6.
Indies waters bad ceased and determined ever once the After speeches from Mr. Ayrtoe, Col Knor,, Mr. Den•
transference of the government of India to the Secretary man, Mr. Newdegate, Lord R. Cuff, sad Mr. Crawford,
of State. There was no doubt that the position of the naval The clause was agreed to.
oommander-in-chief is India was therefore very much lee Clause 7 was agreed to.
advantageous in point of pay than it was before ; On clause 8,
but the eirewnstasess of the present day were no longer Mr. LOCKE moved to leave out the words, in line 33,
precisely what they were when the bate moneywu granted. " subject to the limitations hereinafter contained." The
Th had in those days a squadron in the Indian sees. Uo- limitations to which he referred were contained in the 9th
doubtedly living was very expensive in India, and it was and the 78th cluaes. The 9th clause was to the effect
thought It that naval officers should have allowances in that a footway only should be made between Whitehall
consequence ; but at the present time the admiral on the stairs and Westminster-bridge, and therefore his amend-
Indian station was practically stationed at China, and there meat was, in point of fact, the striking out of that clause.
was no necenity for him to visit India. Then came the His hon. and learned friend blamed the benches of the
question whether thee allowances having been done away Middle Tewple because they were satisfied with the
with by the Indian government, the Admiralty should re. garden they had, and if the noble duke was like the
commend certain allowances to be granted in lieu beochers of the Middle Temple, and was satiafied with the
of the bats money. (Hear, hear.) Upon what 250 feet long and 90 feet broad before his house, there
principle was the admiral serving upon that station need be no debate that night. (Hear, hear.) His lee.
to be paid very considerably more than the admirals on friend was not satisfied with the beechen, but be was
other stations? For instance, the cost of living at the perfectly satisfied with the noble duke. (No.) Well,
Cape of Good Hope, where there was an admiral, was very then, if his hon. friend was not satisfied with the Dare of
high, and so was the cost of living in the West Indies. Succleuch, with whom or with what was he satisfied?
How, then, could the Admiralty recommend that at the one (Laughter.) Was his bon. friend satisfied with any person
favoured station the naval commander should be very much or tbiog in the world ? (Laughter.) The decision of the
higher paid than at other expensive 'haloes? (Hear, hear.) committee seemed to him to be the strangest do-
lt was upon these grounds, after giving the subject doe con- cision that ever was come to. His hoe. friend
'ideation, that the Admiralty did not think it right to vela the member for Westminster voted for the coal duties,
for any extra allowances for the admiral in China and India which were to make this road, and then he voted that his
over and above the allowance' paid to offices on other eta- constituents who vied carriage. and cabs should not be per.
Lien& I milted to nee it. (" Hear, hear " and laughter.) His ham

friend seemed 110.1i00.11 to cheer 'anything-that told against
his own constituents. This embankment was to go along
the whole length of the river from Blackfriars to West-
minster ; but they were told that the crown lanes were
entitled to compensation. Compensation for what?. He
knew not what they were to be compeneated for, or what
they lost. The case of the Middle Temple was exactly •
parallel case with that of the Duke of Buocleuch, and he
could not understand how any controversy could be raised
about it. The arguments of his boa. friend destroyed each
other. If no public carriages went along the road, the
lames would not be injured ; if they did, then there was
• great public benefit. This clause was not within the
scope of the inquiry. The question was, as to making a road
along the embankment, and they chose to stop that at a
particular point. Then the house was clearly at liberty
to consider the question an an independent one. He
sincerely hoped the committee would not think anything
was meant disrespectful to them, but that they would not
oppose the amendment.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said that he thought the =irks of
these words would not be applicable to the subject. Hi hon.
friend said he would not have anything to do with traffic,
his argument was with regard to the Duke of Bucclueh.
But the Duke of Bneelench had fully nothing to do with
the subject If all the traffic was to be brought to the foot
of Wcatminster.bridge, all that part of it that wished to go
down Victoria-street and Birdcage-walk mut go down
Bridgewtreet. (Hear, hear.) The committee thought
it better to distribute the traffic by bringing it
into ParliarneetUreet, and at the same time
widening Kingatreet. One of the objections to the em-
bankment was that it would destroy all the wharfage
and river traffic, and hence the road traffic would be
enormously increased. That would be the ease with all the
coal Irak. ("Hear, hear," and cries of " Divide.") These
were the consideretioes which weighed with the committee,
and could better be considered by ibent than by *com-
mittee of the house. lie mast amine the amendment.
Sir 3. PAXTON supported the amendment. When he
fist proposed this commits/et* his right hon. friend it was
his wish to make it at impartial as possible, so that every
interest should be fully represented. He thought that the
remarks of the right hon. member for Stroud might be
spared with regard to the constitution of the committee. He
was exceedingly sorry that the high level embankment
scheme was abandoned. But he was astonished when he
heard the members for Westminster and Bath oppose a
road being brought to the foot of Weenninater=
Almost every large town in Europe bad roads
bridges at right angles, and he was surprised that than
hon. members should not have asked questions on this
point. When he saw the array of comsat on ens tide of
this question, he could not fail to pennies the nada in
which it was proposed to attack this bill. He thought tt wee'
• precipitate move on the part of the committee
to propose stopping the embankment at Whitehall-stairs.
He contended that the committee had come to a premature
decision, no opportunity having been given to the preset=
to bring counter evidence. If Mr. Pennithorne's name
was carried out it would be the laughiog-stockof all Europe.
The angle in which that gentleman's road came into White-
hall was • most objectionable angle, and would subject
those who had to travel that way to the inconvenience of
the cross traffic first from the embankment and then the
orom traffic from Westminster-bridge.
Lord PALMERSTON having given notice of an amend-
ment to this clause would state the grounds upon which he
voted. His natural desire was to make the same motion as
his hon. friend had made, viz., that the ninth clause should
be expunged. He agreed that if that clause were retained,
stopping the road at Whitehall-place, legislation on the
subject would be a laughing-stock. tut night the qui&
Sion eases to the interest of private individuals as against
the interests of the public. Now the argument was that
the road wee not wanted for the sake of traffic, and that it
would be objectionable to have two roads instead of owe,
and they ware told they were to stop at a certain point
because at some time or other they intended to make
another road, and pull down a great number of houses, at
a cost of 400,0001. His first intention was to move the
omission of the clans*, but looking at the bite period of
the session, and that the house would at a Ware time
have an opportunity of expressing its opinion, he thought
the inconvenience would be less in not insisting upon this
part of the road being made till next year. Therefore he
wished to retain the clause in order that it might be
amended in another year.
Mr. LOCKE did not think the course taken by the noble
lord was the right one, for it left the road u • footway in-
stead of a roadway ; and, as he understood the noble
lord, at some future time this footway was to be • roadway.
Then why not make it so at once? He should divide the
house upon his amendment. (Hear, hear.)
The committee then divided :
Ayes
Noes
The announcement of the numbers was received with
loud cheers.

The clause as amended was then ordered to stand Fart of
the bill.
Mr. LOCKE proposed the omission of clams 9.
Lord PALMERSTON said, after the decision to which
the committee had just come, he did not of course propose
to press his amendment. (Hear.)
The clause was negatived without a division amidst
renewed cheers.
The clauses up to 20 were agreed to.
To clause 21,
Mr. GARNETT proposed the addition of the following
proviso, " Provided that, except with the previous consent
of the Charing-cross Railway Company in writing under
their common seal, no stairs, hard, quay, wharf, pier, or
landing-place. shall be made within MO yards ol that coin.
pany's steam-boat pier or landieg•plaos at Hungerford."
Mr. COWPER agreed with the object of the amendment,
but thought, as it was framed, that it would interfere with
the Thames Comearraney Act.
Mr. GARNETT, under these circumstances, withdrew the
amendment, proposing to renew it in an amended form upon
the report.
The clause was them agreed to, as were also the climes
to 27.
Upon clause 28,
Mr. A. SMITH proposed an amendment, the object of
which was to secure to the public all land reclaimed from
the river.
Mr. COWPER objected that the effect of the amendment
would be to prevent any of the land being utilised by bulki-
ng upon it.
The amendment was negatived without a division, and the
clause agreed to.
Upon clause 29,
Mr. A. SMITH moved that the chairman should report
progress. The clause involved the question as to the
appropriation of the laud reclaimed from the river to public
purposes, which was too important to be discussed after one
the
morning.
R
dered by the committee, and he hoped the hon. member
would not press hie motion.
After a few words from Mr. P. (YBersm,
' The committee divided, when the numbers were :
For the motion 24
Against it l2O-96
Mr. B. STANHOPE moved that the chairman should
leave the chair.
After a brief discussion, the motion was not pressed.
The chose was then agreed to, as was also clause 30.
Upon clause 31,
Mr. AYI(TON complained that the clause gave the gar
den, which it was provided should be made on the em-
bankment opposite the Temple exclusively to the beechen.
Hs thought the public ought to have the use of the garden,
as it would be formed at the public expense.
Mr. HENNESSY said the Temple-gardens were now
opea to the public.
Mr. COWPER said that on the Temple waiving their
right to compensation the reclaimed ground was to be made
over to them, and ho thought that was a very fair
arrangement. The Temple-gardens were now practically
public gardens.
After some farther discussion, the clause was agreed to,
as were also clauses 32 and 33.
The house then resumed. The other orders of the day
baying been disposed of, the boss, adjourned.

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