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segapd to sexed the modes of my right ha. Mead
ile member fir Meaehester, seal ease dews to es hoses
with a perfect bastion of (galling my eagagemel. Bet,
efew what has fallen from the right hon. smetber for
Ozisrd thivmulty, I put it to my right hos. frisanitedier
it woad be wise, or in the latheet of that pease wieh my
right bee. heed bas so deeply at heart, to yeas his
sedge ea the wheat occasion. (Load mermen Ow the
Opposition) It is quite obvious the questa= weld cow
he dimmed ends wry great difficulties; se this who
approved of the lacticn must feel diffident about probe it
bow, when hey find that negotiations are still acts* going
es. (Criss of " If e, no," from the Opposites.) ltalak het my
right hest. head will 'sly wends* a wise discretion a post•
wain his motion ; sad if negotiations should, whppfiya
ultimately fail, ha sea take another oppt meaty. (' Mow,
laser," and intimatioes of distant from the Oppositise) •
Mr. DIBRABLI-84, it is a long time sines shame
has witnessed seek a mesa. So porta. a piece of smkg Icon
seldom bow got up for ear entertainment. (Load Op&
ties sheen.) I think that after the extreardisary, sa
believe, moss impolitic request of the two right honorable
gestlemse who have so suddeely rises this ever
be, the Howe of Commons and he matey Mau •
sight to demand from the goverameet sem& monemellit
declaration os the subject of these ammillisme
we have yet bee. favoured with. (Chosen) We has, I
coshed, a right to know from the noble lord what is pally
the position in which the washy is now placed, will to
▪ to remit earthily.. ;in short, to have much Sore
informatics than seems to hem satisled the two right be..
pathos* who raised this dissertator. Why, sir, what is
she state of the wee t The noble lord tells se that M be-
lieves he ow venture to say that he hopes it is not impos-
sible that pease may yet boob:shed, sad that all the
means
of solving the political problem have set bees whausted by
the distinguished men who now possess the cochesers of
the sovereign sad the country. (Laughter.) Bat has the
wigs lord stated any armadasaa which mq in.
does us, the representatives of the people, to oppose
that there is any light by which we may guide oar °midget
at a stoniest so Moult as the present? ail he gime us
say=id to justify us I. forbearing from say a:prosaic.
es of at the present moment ? No, sir. '8 W hlh than
is life there is hope," hems to be the only guide to the
polity of her Majesty's ministers. (Load opposition sheen.)
I es sure that I Would be the lam man is the boats who
wield too strictly define the limits to which forborance
sash to ran ia the wane% of an opposition whoa grave
negilishas for war or pesos are peadiag. I think it is our
duty to plow every possible socildows In the wistog go.
vosamon: seder seek einorestaness, sad it the none lord
led some to us when his ussueoessful plenipotentiary
made his re-appearanes in this house, and had mid,
" Although my baffled eollesgue has rose back to
MOM his duties as fiemetary of State, I have
the shisfectiot of informing the house that the
mow he a solution of the peace problem are by someone
sekeenieL We have still hope; sad therefore I gust in
ties gewleles eseadenee of parliament, sad the poetical
good mew of this assembly, not to prom me to lay ca the
table the 'words of our unsuccessful aegotiations"—such
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in aggeal wend woh I ma sera, have been made in lain to
Ihn fletbearesee if parlisaeat (Load aims of "Hear,
hosif.") Bat what Ms been the actual conduct of the noble
lm d? The noble hued has placed in the table the records of
dues negotiations whisk had been undertaken by his col-
league who sits sear biro, and by another representative of
her Majesty, who, it appears, has since, under instrattioss,
formally acknowledged that his powers of negotiation were
exhausted. Barely, when them papers were plated en the
' table, it would have been well if the noble lord had followed
' all precedent in similar cases, and had himself been
the leader in an attempt to elicit the opinion of pulia-
mem% But the noble lord forbore to fulfil that duly,
awl Ise independent mamba, sot connected with the go-
/enmesh exercising his legitimate sad proper privilege,
give sone that he will propose an address to her Majesty,
enemas( the opines of the house on the contents of thew
papers. Did the noble load then rise sad say—" Although
I have exhibited soli POSAiDB•O la placing these papers an
the table for the satisfastion of the house, I do not wish to
raise • Memnon ea the subject of the negotiations, be-
ague the means of solution are not yet exhausted ?" Net •
word of the kind. The noble lord gave us no encourage-
ment, but as the contrary, disturbed the natural order of
the buses' me of the hoses to give an opportunity for the
eight hon. gentleman. And now, when the whole oniwitry
is expectant, the noble lord having himself given a day sad
Man an occesion—now, by some mysterious and sinister
ammassication, by mere mom as rapid as Mee wilt*
OA aessmanioation from Beakless to Downing ousel,
dia Rakes of the 'able lord have been trassanitted below
Ilis Ipherway ; sad the house being assembled to give its
Maks en these unssecoseful negotiations, and • member
of So Privy Council having provoked the diennion, the
wills bed rises, and moats that, without the slightest sem-
mmodemako of any particular, but merely with a vague do-
ing= width he would be jastified in making if there
Men wawa hell balesable prospects of bringing stairs tt an
Migielses _idea.e :peat. that this great disowns
dein* be dinnell without • =unsay, and that we should
at ones moods to the muse whisk best suits his own wave-
Moses. I do set knew what the right .hon. member (or
Meashester means to do with his motion ; but from the re-
markable promptitude of the noble lord who bad Mended
as do him the hewer of seconding it—(laughtn—in
rosicading to what I will describe as the most
sureameable suggeetioss of the two right hos. gentleman—l
say teat seeing such extraordinary promptitede, one is almost
afraid that the proposer of thew resenting as well as the
esecanr, has Wks into a peados mom seamiest to the
goys/swat than lionosisba to himself. (Lon opposition
sheen.) I ask, sir,—As there nobody to be sossidued,—is
there nothing to be cossidend but the oenvemieses of the
Lamer ? (Lon sheers.) What are we to suppose the
°natty will think of the ashibitin of this evening ? (Cos-
tae's& cheering.) Barely, the estuary will call for some
eapanaties, them aegotiatioas bevies nee main se to
Mak teemisaties, mad the pasiptentlary having returned
dadliks that kis iminctions were exhausted, and sorely
I Me they will meet that the minister should make
a doelsestion, cash enquires:al, and explicit, to stow
et keit that we are aot tridiag with the laterals of the ma-
dos. (Rear.) If we waive such emplane**, we rename as
a parliameat en of the highest and most solemn of our
*aka, which is to express ea opiates on nage-
Mks' which have failed is procuring peace,—
*We will thou be salloisat grounds, especially la the cos-
daft of the ministers' Acid sad unaficiel supporters, for
placing the Hoses of Commons in anything bat • favoura-
ble light before the country. (Hear, bear.)
Visemat PALMBESTON—In reply to what has fallen
' fres the right hon. patisman, I am prepared to maintain
that the comes which I have alma with regard to this
Setae has bees throughout uniform sad oesektent. The
"Mkt hon. enthuse celled apes me, on • former ocession,
M lay on the table the presomilisp of the conference. I
aid him that I would do oh es I thought the country mai-
tiod to have theme proceedings in their panda. Those pro-
oweiliam. !hash the right hon. gondolas bas been pleased
to sepeemet se usesessedel segotiations, have, I beg to say,
hens modsseed with the greatest ability by my sable friend;
end if they have not resulted in obtaining our objects, the
grip has not lain with him, or with her Majeure
geossasat ; wither is it to be attributed to our
ally, the Emperor of the Freseh—(bear, hear`,—nor
eves to our ally to a certain degree, I may say—(s le ugh)—
the Emperor of Austria. So fa a the moral font of law
goose and the ezpressios of friendly mentimentis pi se
keit, I septet, can be attributed to the gems tamest of
Amnia. The fault lies with the governmen of Rena,
end with it only. (Hier) The right hem.. gentlemen
need os me to do that which he send hat 'assa goes oa
ailer oeswiese—sasegy, to SOSO down with a message
1111 s the bows to obtais the *dos of pothosoao am
M Wares which bad bees takes. What was the answer
whisk I to the right hos. sestina a ? The hefts pp,
Whim it. I said—" 1 will de nothing of the Mad, bomb
if I do it will be shutting the nor egVost all farther pep
*bow or hopes of peso." (Hear, hoot.) I said that I
NSW sot shut that doer; sad titer Abe I mina that the
lobby width ths right has. Swab Ana sow brings easiest
Mof set having MK Irailli7l impose is sot jug-
fell by the owe whisk I WIG pursued. (Bear, kw.)
Islated Wiwi so 1 slats sow, that I should set resesees
all Iwo free futon sewn/Abeam. sad that I weald set
Übe say step whisk might shut the doer and reader all
asses of seiwaseoclaties impossible. (Rear, hear.) Bat
Ibis the Tight hos. ses'ilebas says that 1 esesanied the
right hes. member to tiring forward his modes. The lime
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by his Nilsen"
.4 how might ester upon the
signiations. I said that the right
his own dimities, but that
; pewit would be attended
the same thee edding that It
to say member of the hens.
reason why I believed that
_.4 deeply on those matters would &b-
-ean from pressing this queens as the pondered= of the
hone in the pretest position *Cafes% bet the right hen.
member for Membrane did eavertheises thigh right to give
*ones of his motion, and then what was the course which It
beans my duty to panne ? Should I, on the part
of the government. have *rank from the disow-
ns, sad endeavoured to stave it off by technical delay?
(Rear, hear.) Os the contrary, I thought that
the duty of the government was boldly to fen
the right hon. member; and although I disapproved of his
motion, although I thought it calculated to lead to discus-
sions whisk must be injurious to the country, if the :Tight
hon. renew thought otherwise, I had no alternative but
to say, " Here we are; I will give you ea Gaily day." I
have does so; and now I come down to mast him by pro-
posies a positive negative to his motion. (Kialsterial
chats.) I say then that the path I have followed has been
plata sad simple, and that them is nothing which
requires explanation. We laid the demesne et
the table because I *wept parliament entitled
to k -es them; bat I -Medi nos take the step
Mibe eight hiamemble Mamba for Bucks urged
ilgithe. bemuse by dela se I alierald have shut the door
gflaai titers negotiation. I stated to the right hon.
membee flee Manchester that I thought his motion incon-
venient he the public interests; I said nothing of incan-
tations to the government, but took higher ground, that
.1 the penolleal interests of the county in future negotia-
tions met told him that the dissension at the present mo-
ment Mehl in my opinion be highly inconvenient ; and I
am still el the same opinion. The Moss may wish to die.
pue ern by the preens gaieties, or may prefer a direct
negative. I are net which way it is disposed of. I think
it prejudicial to the interests of the country, but if it be
forced en,the government is prepared to meet it. (Cheers.) I
was eked by my right honorable friend a question
founded on a passage in the report of the con-
hews& I answered that question as well as I
add, but if I am asked explanations as to what
may have pessed or is passing between the governments of
Ragland and France, I say that I will not be led into espla-
nade= or discussions about communication which may
have passed between friendly governments, the effect of
which might be to render such communications for the
future impossible, or at all smuts to defeat the purpose for
which they were ourit d on. Tb. house may or may not
think fit to entreat the present government with the con-
duct of affairs ;it is for them to judge. But this I will say,
that, whatever government enjoys their oonlideue, the
bons would be committing a great mistake if it took from
the heads of the existing government the conduct of nego-
tiations—(Mar, bear)—or if the House of Commons
took upon itself to do that which the motion
of the right honourable member is calculated to
do, namely, to prescribe to the executive how to
Garry on negotiations, and what conditions they were
to ask for. If the house takes upon itself the duty of
carrying on negotiations, it will, in my opinion, be departing
more dangerously from the tee principles of the counts-
ties than 1 believe any member of this house would be
winks to do. (Cheers.) I say that negotiations in great
and important matters like the present can only be carried
on by the executive government, and cannot be earned on
by any government that is called upon from day to day
to state what it means to do, or what it may have done
within the previous ten days. A government must have a
certain amount of confidence if it exists only for a day, and
so long as parliament allows it to continue, they should
not interfere with the details of negotiations, which will
never be successful if subjected to the Janne, of such
notions as that of the right hon. the member for Man-
chester.
Mr. BRIGHT—I think there has been a little too much
excitement on both sides of the table. The right hon. mem-
ber for Bucks need not be so math exasperated, seeing that
my right hon. friend's motion is not one with the principles
of which the right hon. gentleman and his friends are ge-
nerally supposed to harmonise. The right hun. member
bad better leave my right hon. friend to judge for himself as
to the best means of furthering the object which he has in
view, end which I take to be a satisfactory pew. The
house will sot accuse me of having any other object, seeing
the 001111111 I have token dung the last twelve months. I
put some that sines the question which has been referred to
by the noble lord, bat I was anxious to have
some explanation more explicit than that which
was then vouchsafed. I did not want to know
that all means had been exhausted, bemuse if they
had been, the war might go on for ever; nor did I want to
know that peace was possible if Russia would submit to
impossible conditions ; nor that Austria was doing a great
many things other than that which.this country bad asked
her to do—(a laugh)—what I wished to know was Nis:
Whether the negotiations were in mob a state as to take them
out of the ordinary condition of things which always exists
in time of war ? lem sot anxious to prejudice the wintry
by premature discussions; on the contrary, I should be glad
to bargain with the house not to open my month in it for
ten years—(a laugh)—could I enure a peaceful solution for
the negotiations in the month of Jane ; but I want to know
whether our negotiation are in any other than that
ordinary condition in which cies of the sides carrying on
war is ready to receive offers from the other ; I
want to know whether the conferences are being still held,
and whether the Martian proposal which boa been alluded
to affords some hope that wee is not absolutely impossible.
The noble lord will allow me to observe that not °sly
Austria makes the observations which have been quoted by
am sight hon. member for Wilts, wanly, that there are
eillemen of solution in the lest Russian proposal, but the
nook Minister for Fortin Affairs said also that there were
Nekeismsets. If that be the ease, what I want to do is to
impono mos the noble lord that there being thus a chance,
Mina tme be let slip ; and if the sable lord could give us
Mele kir am as assumes as he has already partially
givoe, I Weld set urge my right hos. friend to press his
mares while asetiesions are still pending. What my
Alba how frier Me to etradder is what will most advantage
the cause he has at heart, and not what will plum gentle-
men who are hostile to the means; or who
are wins for the prolongatioe of the war. After
what the noble lord the samba fee Durhana—who, it
appears, intended to seeded the metes—has said ; and what
the right hots. member for the University of Oxford—who,
if I understood him rightly, intended to speak and vets is
favour of the propositions—has said, it becomes a walks
what is nibs done by those who are anions for the pasdag el
the rseolutions,and believe that their passing would be of im-
portance in the present state of affah•—therefore, when the
noble lord and the right IN& gentleman urge their with-
drawal, my right hoe. friend Is Oben is that difisulty Is
which, nee I have sat in this hew, I have sometimes sees
members placed. For myself, lam afraid of offering him
any suggestion in regard to the coarse be should take, bet
if anybody will tell me what Is most likely to remote
peace, that Is what I would advise him to do. ("Ben,"
and a laugh.) While the statement of the noble loud et
the head of the government are so mgre and eaetl
is no In vague than that which prosoist
should say be should by no means proposo this
mein; at all events, from now until after Whiner
tide, when the house meets agate, will be long enough kg
the noble lord to tell us whether the propositions whisk us
are led to expect will be made, will be likely to leadli say
astishatory webudoe. There is • large portion of the
people of this rontry who are anion that the question
should be distend, an who know that from this bone
they will gain more knowledge of the tree state of drain
than they nave gained hem the 'seemliest or from the
newspaper accounts of the last twelve months. Under all
the cireanstanet, I skill be sanded if my right hon. frilled
postposes his motion nail after the Whiten holidays, nil
equally so almost if he goes ea with it now. (" Um,
hear," and laugher )
Mr. ROEBUCK—After the speech of the solio hilts
the head of the goveramest, I think the right boa. imiabor '
fee Manchester is boned to go en with his men. (aw,
hear.) The Wits lord, the member foe Dolomites Wails
informed the how that be iatooded to wood that males,
bat that shaft be formed that insane eireamatemese liars
nespd. Bat titer the spent of the noble lard (Pekoe.
don), I ask, have eireametammo 'banged l Moor, bow
The noble lewd says, that mina the right boa. pidgin 11
reposed to being these resolutions before the hens, be hit 1
that it meld be Impolitic so to de. Hu tells m he fool, so
sow ; bet he does sot give the hew to understand that any
simulators. have happened to rim the quanta, in a
different parities to that In width it was when the menu-
OM were first plasma upon the table. What Is the
last resolution proposed by the r.ght boa. gentleman
"To szprem to her Majesty, that it a the opinion of this

4aso sue oho propaatioas made by the governasest of Rats
ie aegiekis sad to the prinsiple of the said third article
Mask elements krnalmed negotiation, end may offer the
' gleam of °hostile( an honourable and satisfactory psaos."
New the aobl, Uri asp that he has hopes, that the govern-
Meat ban hopes of new propositions being made which
say lead to a satisfactory poses. I ask, is not
that the condition is whisk every government is
at every moment of every war ? (Hoar, hear.)
Am we not at all times ready to rude* propositions for
and autism for peace? Ia aot the noble lad is • position
at fil thaw to rewire propssitioss that may lead to an
braresalik poses ? If so, what has happened to Judaea the
tifilighodi the member for Barham, who came down with
alloleomination to second the reeolatioas of the right hon.
genians. now to urge him to withdraw them ? The
rums why I urged the right hen. gentleman to briag his
proposition before the hones was, that I believed the people
of this country had no conildence that the noble lord
(Pabaerston) and the government of which he is the head,
are sanitise for an bows:able peace. There is a feeling
abroad that a large portion of the (ablest is at this moment
anxious for peace at any pries--(cheers from the opposition)
—end it is because I am net sazious for pease at any prior,
bat for an honourable pesos, and nue other than an ho-
nourable peace. that I ask the house to insist
open a discussion of the propositions of the right hon.
gentleman. (Load cheers.) The right hen. gentleman has
pissed himself in a position in which the house has a right
to call upon him to proceed with his motion, and to insist
upon a discussion. (lieu, hear.) Re has thrust himself
forward in this matter,and by doing so has prevented others,
who would else have taken it up, from coming forward.
(Rear, bear.) We have a right to call upon him to bring
forward his propositions, for we, like him, are desirous of
pesos ; bat not, like him, desirous of peace at any price.
The Marquis of GRANBY considered that a preliminary
quitins for oonsideratics, before they decided whether the
moths should be discussed or postponed was, whether
negaistioos were actually taking plus at this moment with
any Impost of a successful termination. It was essential
OA the hones should know whether the noble lord was
willing to entertain any proposition that might be made by
any one of the five powers at Vienna, or only such propo-
sitions ft might emanate from Francs or England ? Re
idled this question, because he found that the data at
' whisk the noble lord the member for London bad declared
that be had exhausted his instructions, was not on the ?.Bth
I of April, es stated by the right bon. member for Wiltshire
(Mr. B. Herbert), but on the 21st of April ; that was before
the last proposition was made on the part of Russia; and it
would appear from that that the noble lord's instructions
ware, that whatever proposals Russia might make, they
were not to be entertained, but the noble lord was to come
back to England. That was a point which he (the Marquis
of Granby) would wish to be cleared up before it was
derided whether they should go on with the discouion or
rot.

Lord J. RUSSELL—Of oonres it will be in the discretion
of the right hon. member for Manchester whether he will
choose or not to bring on his motion. With regard to that
point the government have no advice to give. All they can
say is, that if he chooses to bring it on they will be ready
to meet it; or, on the other hand, they are prepared to
acquiesce in the postponement of the motion, if such
should be the right hon. gentleman's decision. Bat the
hon. and learned member for Sheffield says that the decla-
ration of my noble friend @manta to no more than what
might be said at any moment of any war, namely, that the
government would be ready-to entertain any propositions
of peace that might be made. Now that is not precisely the
state of the affair as it stands at present; and we are bound.
so far as we can, having due regard to the confidential nature
of die sommunications that have taken place, to state the
present position of affairs to the house. First, I think it
right to !Slap a hiatus that is not stated in the protocols as
published, which are only a summary of the sittings of a
conference which lasted each day from four to four-and-a-
half hours, and in which, therefore, necessarily many things

are omitted. At the lest conference at which I bad the humour
to assist, Count Buol, after a long discussion, stated that he
did not see how the continuance of the discussion could
lead to any result, because the belligerent powers were not
likely to agree, and therefore he thought the conference had I
better terminate for the present. But, he said, that though
the plenipotentiaries had not been successful in arriving at
a solution of the dificalty, be did not think that all muss
of accommodation were exhausted ; that every member of
the conference would have • right to bring forward new
propoeitions, end he hoped that at an early day the con-
fereese would meet to consider any new propositions that
might be made. To that proposition I answered that,
though certainly all means of accommodation might not be
exhnusted, yet my instructions were exhauted, and there-
fore I hoped that he (Count Buol) would not name an
early day for resuming the sittings of the conference,
for if he did I should be usprovided with in-
structions to discuss any propositions that might be
made. The course I thus suggested was not without pre-
cedent even in the present conference ; for, while the Rus-
sian plenipotentiary was waiting for instructions from
St. Petersburg the conference bad been adjourned from day
to day, without any day being fixed for ramming the dis-
union, until Prince Gortchakoff stand that he had re-
'Nivea his instructions and was ready to act. Alter the
meeting to which I have alluded there was a subsequent
one, at the request of the Russian plenipotentiary, showing
clearly that the conference was not entirely broken up ; and
at that conference the French minister expressed very
clearly what I had before stated the ream why we consi-
dered our instructions exhausted. " With reference," he says,
" to the new propositions of the Russian plenipotentiaries,
be has already declared, in the last conference, that his in-
structions were exhausted, since Russia bad rejected the
limitation in every form whateover. Be applies the tune
declaration to the present propositions. With this reserve,
ha observed that these propositions cad so little
to the cessation of Russian preponderance in the
Black Su, that they even provide for the con-
tingency of the preponderating fleet becoming hostile."
The substance of our instructions wee the neutralisation,
as it is called, of the Black Sea, and the limitation of the
Russian power there ; and we were not empowered to re-
ceive proposals. Baron Bounqueney concurred in that
opinion, as did also my own oolleague, Lord Westmoreland.
It was not, therefore, as my right bon. friend the member
for Oxford has said, that the British plenipotentiaries dis-
agreed with the other plenipoteatiaries as to the new Rus-
sian propositions ; on the contrary, the British and the two
French plenipotentiaries made precisely the same declara-
tion. They did say that, meths Random proposal contained
the principle of the closing of the Dardanelles, and not the
principle of the entire opening of the straits to all the
powers, they saw in that proposal an element of accommo-
dation; but Count Buol declared that not only was the
principle of accommodation net contained in the proposal,
bat that it did not contain even the basis of aceommodation.
The meinieses adjourned without any day being appointed ;
bat the Leitrim gummiest had declared, through the
swath of Coat Bnol, that in their opinion the mesas
of sosoramodation were not exhausted. I must say
that, throughout the discussions of the conformer, the
representatives of Austria lave shown that they agreed
with the Western Powers, and not with Russia in her par-
pees. The difference between them undoubtedly was that
while the pluiponataries of Fusee and Great Britain
were not reedy to listen teeny terms that did not contain the
basis of a durable and solid peace ; on the other hand the
Austrian pleniposentieries wore unwilling to put forward
any terms in gush at manlier as should involve Austria in
the dangers and miseries of war without tong °minim that
every mesas of sesommodation had bees first exhausted.
That. of coarse, made some difference in the spirit in which
the different propositions wee. put farmed, bat with regard
to the opinion and the polity of Austria, we Gould aot pos-
sibly have had better support than. was given by the Aus-
trian plenipotentiaries. It is not only difficult, but imp:e-
-1 sible to state, at present, precisely what the proposition of
peace would be, which must, as I madder, cores now from
a Weiss govenmeat and not from our own. But my opt-
Wen is, that *bather that proposition should lead tea peace
se ni*—frit an Mat leestioa I sketild feel myself incompetent
Se glee any Igaien—Me UW& government will, before
the millenew ere finally Weed, make some proposition to
Se minslime of the eonferesee. I imagine that that propo-
OM wfll lave one of two resalte—either it will be rejected
lir one or ether of the belligerent powers, sad then the cede-
miss will have broken off, sad then it will be competent
km any member to bring the medics before this house, and
ask the hew to give ea minion upon it, or if that should
ad be the we, then the negeriatioes will be again re-
emaelly lIM I bps with a better primped than has attended
them WY* et a satidestory Wale& Ido not think it
1 i pod& he me to say more on the subject than I have
dam ea this eseesies. When the has. number for Man-
chester (Mr. Bright) says that a statement is vague—and
especially that what has been stated by my noble friend
(Lord Palmerston) is woe and ewer nothing Mae— 1
I mot say that the maiden of Wein, as explained ►y my
noble friend, differs materially from the sappositien of the

hon. and learned member for BlNfield (Yr. Ito•back),
sir, that at any time, durum any war, pro,
time for pease may be made by the oat
to the other. In this am, there has been ie;
Winos to consider terms of pone. The feu bdi
gereat powers hare not agreed on those terse ; therif-e;
the negotiations hare hitherto failed. But those cai•
Boas are only euepeaded, they are not broken off. (Heal
hear.) Ido not know that I can add scything to what
lave stated. It is for the right hon. gentleman thalami,
for Iliencbestst to take what course he thinks fit : we sittio•
ready either now or at any future time, to meet any Igo%
he, or any other hon. member, may bring forward. (ih,
hear.)

Bit J. PAKINGTON did not perceive that the •
•
led had stated aey new fact., or added anything is ey,
bed boon previously stated by the noble lord aktbe hsy
thoWevernment, to guide the house in forming a jadefti
Jill ill whether: the right hon. member for Mak*
leer ought to proceed with his motion ft im
Everything that had occurred would tend to show Muth
government were a consenting party to the tours low
' had been indicated. The noble lord said he had coon do„
powered to meet the motion, and if so why did is ea
eaquset the right hon. member for Wiltshire (Mr. 8.5 a,
WO not to evade it by moving the previous quotas, I. 4
had threatened ? It appeared to him that the gee
so far from being desirous of meeting the queues, in,
moat anxious to avoid it. If they wished 14
autism to be postponed, and were peeps* u
say--ea they had a right to say if such woes mr
opinion—that it would be prejudicial to the pew,. 4
tenet to discuss it at the present time, why did they am al
00 ? An appeal made upon such grounds would be is say
admitted by both sides of the home*. (Hear, hurl
when the government declared they were ready to sea ,h,
motion and to oppose it by a direct negative, owl. 147
could say that the conference was still open and that ,4
plenipotentiaries were not withdrawn, be could see no say
why, in the absence of some other information thee ii,,
had yet had, the right hon. member for Manama shay
not proceed with his motion.
Sir G. GREY thought his noble friend's staterooms'
sufficiently clear upon the two points to which the rightist
baronet adverted, vie., whether the plenipotentiaries ea,
withdrawn, and the conferences were finally cloud. 11,
thought his noble friend had shown that the mimeo
were not closed, and that the plenipotentiaries woe as
withdrawn. The conferences were in the same positing
they were in at the period when at the request of the fits
sign plenipotentiary they were temporarily adjourned, sai
any preposition made by either of the powers might be*
tertained by the plenipotentiaries who were stilt at Visa
His noble friend (Lord J. Russell) was assisted at thou
ferences (as the house was aware) by Lord Westsorelut
who was still at Vienna. M. Drouyn de Lhuys wsa wise
by Baron de Bourqueney, who was also lie
behind. Lord Westmoreland and Baron de Booming
were still at Vienna as the plenipotentiaries of Emits
and of France respectively, and if any new promo*,
were made they might be entertained and discussed by the
and the plenipotentiaries of the other powers. The eight
hos. gentleman Gleamed that the government Oulisiv
evade the discuse'on, but that had been already denied be
his noble friend (Palmerston). The only grouted upon who
his noble friend wished the motion postponed wu that I
premature discussion of the various questions which hod
occupied the conference while that conference was still opt
would probably be injurious to the public interests. After
what had taken place it would be for the right boo:ember
for Manchester himself to decide whether he would now
bring forward the motion or not ; if it was proceeded with
the government were fully prepared to meet it. (Hear.)
Mr. M. GIBSON—The right hon. gentleman feu Owe
rater • heavy responsibility on me. but I admit lea
Wand to endure it, as I have given notice of moving tire
address. The hon. and learned member f,r Sheffield up
I have thrust myself forward in the matter, and that he and
his friends are determined to have an honourable peace, bat
that there are others who would have peace at say pries.
I do not know upon what authority he makes that user
ties, or why be and hie friends are to arrogate to thrusters
an exclusive ►ppreciation of the value of the hooter sod
dignity of the country. (Hear, hear.) I do not yield to
him or to any man in this house in a desire to upholds*
dignity and honour of my country—(bear)--and I sisal
not be the man to stand up in my place in the House of Case
mons and advocate any course which I thought inconsirs
with the safety, the honour, and the dignity of the eons
(Hear, hear.) The covernment ought, I think, to have*
ticipated discussion when they laid thou papers os th
table of the house. (Hear, hear.) I considered, *bath
goveroment placed before the house of legislature a tees
elf the proceedings of a recent conference, they invited *
opiaion of parliament on the course which they had pee
used ; and having myself perused the papers, I felt et
hefty, under the circumstances, to move an address, wits
view of submitting an opinion to the consideration of
hoes. But I admit the difficulty of the position, as
*a government tell us that the conferences are not et*
and that before they are fully concluded, the daffiest p

vernment are understood to be charged with plo
posing some plan for bringing about an oak
standing between the belligerent powers—thet th
government will, before the conclusion of these cadenced
agibmit a plan to the governments of France and &gist!
for the re-establishment of peace. This being the cue, 0
hearing also from the government that under these dress
Maces they would not feel at liberty to discus* with kW
wee and without reserve the various proposah that klfl
been made, I admit I feel that I should not be snmi
perhaps the object I have myself in view, or serrig no
public interest, if I were to persevere in this motion. (fits
hear.) And I feel this the more *specially when the eigl
bon. gentleman tells me he will meet it by aeries the pi
alone question, because the division world thee be tan
not on the merits of my proposal, but en the preliminsi
consideration of whether or not it was coavenient, lam n
statement made by the government, that sect a ptopcs
should be made at all. In postponing it, however, lat
not to abandon the proposal. (Hear, hear.) Bat if t
existent% of the conference is to be a reason why I
opinion of parliament should not be taken on the policy
1 the government, I want to know how long thew maces
are to last ? (" Hear," and a laugh.) For if they in
go on from day to day till the end of the sessios, they'
'thus undoubtedly gain the advantage of throwing owl I
discussion on their policy altogether. While, thoeket
feel compelled to respond to the appeals that bee h
made to me to postpone the motion now, I big it I
notice of my intention to take the very earliest Worm
after Whitsuntide of bringing it forward. (Chem)
Mr. MALINB looked upon the whole Fermat •
mockery. The question was universally earl a
wintry what is the House of Commons going to its'
matter ? Without any entwines that the oonforeste
M he named, or any reason given fee stapposisg Ott
propositions would be brought foeward, the to 0
right boa. member for Maachester was to be pestles'
definitely. There was a growing opinion in the 0
that the House of Commons was wanting in Its duty
was treating the subject with indifference. After we,
peened it was to be feared that terms still more igsoo
would be entertained than those which the noble le
member for London went to Vienna to negotiate iw
minister, however, who would accept 'term' loss hw
to the allies, would be insensible to the boom
country, and undeserving of support in that home
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wanted to know whether
was bound to make new propositions. He tbrO
house ought to be informed of tine precise politio, '''
the question stood. If the °oaf:evinces were not elm
Austria was about to make nswe proposition', a°
reason for not entering into the din/wawa at resist
Kr. JOHN M'GREGGR wad a few wards 410
his belief that Austria wank; never make an Wel
against Russia, because if she did it would ISIIIIta
the dismemberment of ber empire, by the loss of I
sad Treasylvania.
Mr. CAYLEY slurp thought the motion of Et
Gibwa "8 °timid*, one and Inopportune, but tbi
slot " °ldorgeted to be still more rairchierms, fo
Russia would rasOmetand that the Howe of Cos'
preheating • oarrney-loving people, was showing
symptom of getting rid of the war, and our any, Free
think that we were about to desert her; and if tb
mot thoellb.t that the tone of this dictation repme
feeling of Ir.ne people of England they were re", 1
Reeds oad the Western Powers entered into eh
Os dim/ Arieally opposite principles; for the Latta
that Om preponderance of Raisin in the Bleck Bee
to T'arkey, while Russia on the other hand osento
pre pendulums was neeemuy to Turkey. How ea
Orations starting from such opposite principles rec
a satiteetory sad ? If France and Ettgbusd so
1 this war for the purpose of chalking the power
sad held back at this me meat, so far from
e Russia being checked, it would be grin

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