The Express.
London, England, 1852-03-30 00:00:00

Lad understood the proposal of the government he believed i
the ballot would only be resorted to where districts failed
to produce their quota voluntarily. That being so, he was
surprised that the advocate, of volunteer corps on the op-
position side, shculd object to this Mettoll. He re-
gretted that the noble lord (Russell) and Lord Derby had
sought to check the strung exprenions of the English perm
on foreign affairs ; he censidered that such expreision was
celled fur by the circumstances of the time. (near.)
Mr. 1101ISMAN said he felt strongly the responsibility 11
resting on the government on this question ; and be wail
certain they were fully sensible of et thenetelves, or they
would not have brought forward this proposition. Them
were certain difficulties in agreeing to the :potion. Ile was
not aware of any peered rat for a trove element asking fee so
large an increase en the military establiehmeut of the coun-
try, without en immediate and pressing necessity. Se-
condly, they proposed to raise that force by a MAWS which
failed during the last war, and which, atter nearly forty
pus of peace, Mel limonite so unsuited to the habits and
fevlinsto of the pewit: of this country, that it would in all
likelihood fail agave. If we required a defence
against invasion, that defence ought to be by the re-
gular army, and not by a Oti:Atil. Every military atillie-
rity was of opinion that if an army lauoimt on our toasts
! li al to coon ad with Mil tia iilJ4w, our fate would be at
nue decided. The idea of epposing men who had been
trained three weeks against the pecked troop+ of France,
was inaelooss. Either the danger was altogether imaginary,
sad we needed no adelitiou to our army, or it woe zeal, and
we ought to have the eery best defence against it. (Dear,
hear.) It was said that parliaments were unwilling to in-
crease the regales army, unless sutheient cause se ere shown ;
and the same might Muhl in reference to u militia. But
lei it once be shown that the uecessity existed, and parlia-
ment would display no such uuwillinguess. Of late years,
there was no question on which parliaments Lad been mom
accommodating. Front Isa to 1342, not • single pro-
pos:tion had been nude by governtamt fur keepiug
up the estimates, or a single proposition by au hon. member
to redact them, that had not been carried in favour of the
government by • majority of tear to one. During the ad-
tomiatration of Sir Robert Feel, parliatneut h el ticeii still
mom disposed to support the ministry, and had alarmed all
their propositions by a majority of a. yen to on:. This was
the one question of all others on which the gyve rnment had
hero sure of receiving the support of eurliatnent, and keep-
ing up coy military kstubh.lkinout they thought necessary.
(Hear, hear.) If the necessity were flow ehown to cleat, ho
ventured to assert that parliament would grant the neces-
sary fence; fur these bon. gectleumen who objected to in-
crease armaments, only die's. en the ground that uo increase
was necessary. It appeared to him that the great mistake
made was that of doing tens much it there ace no danger,
3111 too little if there were real danger. When the second
reading of the measure should be proposed he isould enter
more fully into his objections to it. (Rear, hear.)
Captain BOLDERO said it wes the duty of the govern-
meld to put the country in as perfect a state of defence as
poesible. That it wu not so at pees+ nt was evi-
dent from the vast forces which fore iga countries could
direct against us. The French government was friendly
disposed towards EopLutd; but as it was based entirely on
an army of 89,000 men, and as no one could tell what
events the next twelve months might produce, it would be
wise to glace this country in a position to meet all eveutu-
antics. During the late war the militia Lad on varlets oc-
casions done good military rerviee, and ho had no doubt
would do so again. It was a proper lures to raise fur the
defence of the country.
Cu!, SlL.rnutit, and tie O'Go:osaN MAHON rose toge-
ther, but the latter giving way, the boss. and gs.laut mem-
ber declared that the present measure was undoubtedly
i much better than that ntrodnced by the late governtr.ent—
(hear)—and it was very satisfactory to him to be able to
support the government. lie should do so heartily, though
he would have preferred the old regular militia system,
than which nathiegceued be better, and which he believed
to be essentially necessary. (Hear, hear.)
The DOORMAN MATRON wished to express has ex-
treme regret at the addre-s which had been matte' by the
hon. member for the %Vett Riding, and to thank the right
Lon. gentleman the Secretary at War for the opinions be
had pronounced on his country-rum), the testimony which he
had borne to the fidelity, the.bravery, and constancy of the
Irish people in the defence of their country, the crown, and
the cause of order.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER aaid-1
merely rise to express my hope that hon. gentlemen typo.
eite will not trouble the house to divide. (Hear, hem.)
We are, in feet, only passing an order of the house, and all
that we ask is, that we may lay on the table that bill which
a raajority of the house hes clearly declared should be pre-
pared. And that is my answer also to the hoe. and gallant
member for Lincoln ;.whem I beg to assure that, ley the
vote he will Five toeing:i4 he is pledged to nothing but to
permit us to comply watts the coder of the house. (Hear.)
It is (or them reasons that I shall not address more than a
few words to the house on the measure before it. I shall
weg be tempted to attempt to answer the speech
, sods by the honourable member for the West
Riding (Hr. Cobileu), who has to-night made one of those
able and agreeable speeches which I always lieteu to with
pleasure, whim 1 entirely disagree with a.m. (Loud
laughter on the ministerial benches.) The hon. gentle-
man has brought forward no argument against the militia;
his speech Wan argument against all defences, against the
line, 'manta the household troops, against the artillery,
against the cavalry. it proceeds upon the amumption that
in the primal state of the world, no country need take
measures to oared itself. (Hear, bear.) I cannot give
in my adhesion to that opinion. I cannot believe, with
the hon. gentleman, that recent events—that the ciente of
the last few years to which be has appealed—have in any
way authorised us to adopt such a course—(cheer)—al-
though he boa admiringly referred to them as a proof for
what he has stated. When I recollected that within eight
weeks after the day to el,* the Lon. gentleman re-
ferred, no less than four Lilacs were (might on the
cootinent of lEtUrOpa ; that the Adele and the Adriatic were
declared in blockade, 1 really cannot concur with hint in
the opinion that these halcyon days have arrived when no
necessity for military armainerts w ill be necessary.
(Load cheers.) I differ entirely with the hon. gentleman,
for 1 apprehend that, inviipeetive of the disturbances which
we have of late years unfortunately witnessed, there are
features in the present political arrangenicats, of long en-
durance, which lead me to believe that we have not arrived
at the promised period of permanent and general tranquil-
lity which we all desire. I cannot say that so lung as I
Sad the strongest places in the possession of the weakest
persons, so Lag as I obserrc throughout Europe and Asia
that the richest coma:les are under the dominion of the
poorest sovereignties, I feel there is that system
in the world which will lead, I fervently liege
not in our time, to a state of things, whisk
cannot ho decided ie any other way than by
a war. (Hear, hear) With regard to the measure
of which my right hon. friend the &celery of State for
the Home Department has expounded chi f features
to-night, I conceive that the present is not a proper wee.
sloe en which a divisive ought to take place. Out the
right hen. geutle man the late Secretary of War has in his
speech todught uttered etasing objections to the introduc-
tion of the ballot sato the pretest measure. Why, in the
measure which the right hon. gentleman himself intro-
duced, the ballot was absolutely enforced. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. P. HAULS bad never made any objection to the
ballot.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Iava glad
diminished.

that theeelements of opposition aro already
(Cheers and laughter.) The right hon. gentleman hair at
least stated that the introduction of the ballot into the mea-
sure ispouuded by my right hon. friend the Secretary of
State for the Home Depaellime t will prove must
ineonvenient—(Mr. F. Moak "No, so)—I do not
wish to mistake the °plaices of the r*ht hoe.
gentleman. I mast readed him, however, this k is
entirely a matter of opinirm, mad It is emeeelei 1111
to refer the ballot to the opinion of Gm Wan, We Mei
I given to that subject a patient investigatios, we Mee gees
salted the highest military itatheeities, sad having weighed
all the evidence before us, the malt melbas MOO to
from this inquiry is, a different mini elm del gibe
right hon. gentleman, and the have mot Geoids MO\ of
us des kneed a correct jadgaresc With dome kw ohne.
various I will again express a hops that eetwillisteadiai
souse somewhat fiery speeches tram hen.
saiLeetkease *Plow
site, they will sec that in the presser of the gam
doe It will be the heat and meet dikes, seems to parses,
to allow the bid to be brought in. Wham.) There will
be tense ample opportunities on which to 116CIIISthe details
of the bill, and 1 trust that a division will not now take
place. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.)
Mr. BRIG It'f reminded the Chaneellorof the Exchequer
that he sat on the treasury benches by the violation of the
order of the house which he was now so anstions to obey.
He drew attention to the serious intro faience which would
be occasioned to our manufactlfires if any social halm mow !
didurhed, which they would 'be by this balloting Ger GIO
militia, and balloting it must be, for men earning
would never volunteer to serve as soldiers for 2s. aid, a
month. He called on the house to give the country an op-
portunity of expressing its opinion on the question, and
insisted that the government incurred no responsibility in
the matter, if the emstituency were really averse to a mili-
tia. Great authorities had avowed that this bid was not
the effect of panic; if no. there was no urgent crooks
for the messier, and if no evil had arisen from lb
aboodonment of the bill of 141/1, he asked the! this quoin
tion *Multi be postponed till the opinion of the Mireatiai
Imo; it could be aseertained. It was almost niintitbld that
she ballot was in,s itshlc, so that, when the system ommg
be worked in the manufacturing districts, infinite wielder
might he ilone by the withdrawal .d men enraged le datl-
i and skilled operations. He proposed that the Call•i•
ilerttion of the measure should ho postponed until the
judgment of the people could be obtained upon it.
Admitting that volunte, rs might he fogad in localities
where wags. were low and employment wen. sears*,
he waned the government of the Messily end im.
placable opposition the scheme would ern et among the work.
men of Lancnshire. Ile contended that n bad moral influ-
ence would he r steed by training tel,fakl of the poptilidion
to amt., and preiliettel the minhief of habilnatiott the
country to teller rte a Treat army, which, under souse amhi.
t:ous man, rnioht ber.utter do for England what the French
army bad, under Louis Napoleon, done for Fromm,.

Nit. WfiITIO3IDE demanded whether the enlarge taken
LI etetaiu sp, slier.; was cou,titution.d. Were !nrother4 of
iiett lOM ...en' tir:rgates, AI—I Vl.ll mei', question to he
referred t. th.. hu.tings ? Contramotieg on Mr. (7obdon's
south, aa I ailiing wh..ther that gelid •suan wa. prepar:d to
11.3 Cie inithalwidiir to IA Franey to put down her arras-
unnts, be insisted an the tr, e,...ity of effeetartily providing
for the defence of the routing.
Mr. ROKBUCK wished fat an underilowling that the
t'Otlie Might 10 D.. to the eountl u...0n thi. boll to O pat 4.14
et the general pway Oi the iovi nitnoit. to thought that
there ought to li ~.ina means taken for de dirt; the CORD.
trT which he mould rather . ffect UT lucre • g th• :Avatar
nailing torte by :Liking good artisans Into bad soldiers.