The Express.
London, England, 1864-06-07 00:00:00

:lASI,
EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 7, 1864.

I=6 thj soils lord at the bead of the goverment ; foe if
he is satisfied I feel oo hesitatioa is say* that
he it the cooly mesa in the house who is so—Haughter)—
aad 'wham to-morrow wonting the swerepapees are circulated
I will Milimee to that few of the people of the country
▪ "a
ges* w'M the sable viseostat. Noble losd
sad the lIPPRIIIMINI have all alyeg illosetusged any attempt
ea the gert eltbe Mrs to Inquire whet was going on in the
esaireme eel if eseeptat• seamy bad bees observed
timmegheat Likewise to whit wee oar in Downie.-
Mnet I should here bees the hist to etrlakts the respon-
sibility of on her Majesty's government, or my
hoe. sad gar friend, a coarse which could in soy way
iscgardiee the interests of
_pews. But such isnot
the esee. Though her Majesty's government have
uniformly bees silent as the sailed, the journals
al Paris, Flame, and Bartle teem with news of
what panes, or a supposed to p is the accuteil-chember
recollected,
of Dowsing-street. It would be retoollected, when the me-
sh* oommeecad, the noble lord at the bead of the covens-
meat, and his oedemas is another place, 01111111 down night
after night mid declared that they were determined to
abide by the provisions of the treaty of 1852. Oa • saber
quest occasion the noble viscount, amidst the rympatbisior
&sem of the house, ainseaneed that the endeavours of her
Majesty's government bad been emend al, sad that • con-
foresee was abort to meet is Loudon to settle
this most (USW& and perplexing question, upon the
bash of maintaiaimg the integrity of the domiabies
of Him Christian. The noble viscount sad his colleagues
having over sad over again stated that the government were
that policy, is, I think, • sufficient excuse to
pledgeds to .
and gat friend far pressing this question on
the government I wish, therefore, before you, sir, leave
the chair, to oak my boa. and (taut Irked whether he
will give the home as that be will on Friday
mkt, or es as early day, call fi attention to this sub-
ject. I am sure that it be does he will receive the
sympathy of • majority of this house and of the
eoeste7—if he endeavours to elicit from her Majesty's
government whether the statements is the foreign journals
be tree or be not true ; sad wheals's it be • fact that the
government, who early in the sundae declared in favour of
the laity of 1852 and the integrity of the Danish &ini-
tiate, an now, by their representatives, sitting in a confe-
rence which would net be sitting except oar the bias of
the effects.' aanibibitioa of the treaty at 1852, by which
alone Eismg Christie its on the theme of Denmark ; sad
whether that basis be sot most coadeeive to the dismem-
berment of Denmark. I ask my bee. and gallant fried to
give some meurance to the boom. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. B. OSBORNE—I do not know what assurance I ma
give the house. Before I give any I should like hoe. gentle-
men on the other side of the house to give an assurance that.
in the event of my resuscitating the debate on the treaty of
1452, I shall not be met by the "previous question."
(Laughter.) The course I have hitherto taken on this sub-
ject has not bat with very great earieragement from boa.
members on the other side of the boor But when my
noble bird asks me whether I ens eatiefied with the answer
given to-night, I say, so far as my own private feeling
are ocsocerned, I am grateful for the smallest
favoitte—(laughtee).-bnt I do not feel greatly satisfied with
the answer which bee been giro, braise it struck me from
the first that the conference was instituted more to pre-
INITO-the integrity of the Treasury berieli—(biughter)—more
to prevent the chamentherinest of her Majesty's ministry,
than to presets* the integrity of Denmark. (langhter.) And
I will put this to the house, that this confereci is meeting
—mark you—not from day to day, as if they had any real
wish to settle this question, as I think they ought to do,
but adjourning over several days, and the mouth of July
will arrive, when bon. members on both rides of the house will
go out of town, and this question will die a Batumi death.
I am serpriesd, thee, at the reticence of the house on this
matter. Up M a certain point I think they were right. and
perhaps I was wrong in briogieg op the Tierra when I did,
but now that we have arrived at the 6th June, when this
question has been Buffered to drag its slow length along from
day to day sod week to week, the house ought to be put in
porsesioo of some definite informatics as to what is the
position of the house sad the country on the subject. We
see the lowest it:habituate of the meet miser capitals
of Europe informed by their newpsrs of what
is taking piece in the coefereste. (Hear, hear.) We have
our best information derived from the foreign newspapers,
and it has come to this—that we, the rarer of • consti-
tutional government, are the worst informed in Europe of
what is taking place in our own capital. I aak, then, how
loos is this to retinue' If I were to use the true phrase
and describe these proceedigp as a farce, I should be called
to order by you, Sir, from fibs chair, sad therefore I will
sot. (Laughter.) But there ern be ao doubt that
the Howe of Commons is placed in • mast
humiliating position, and that the house is brag
tricked into Oros by the members of the govern-
meat, who, like the monks of La Trappe, have taken
the vows of silence. Whether they are dining their owe
graves or not is another question—(laughter)—but this I
must my, that if we are from day to day and from week to
week to be put off with the evasive answers, in giving which
the noble viscount is so great • proficient as to be qualified to
receive that doctor's degree which was conferred upon him
the other day at Oambridge—if we are to be put off in this
way, I think we will not only be dining the grave of the
independence and dignity of this house, but the grave of
our national honour. (Cheers.)

Mr. DISRAELI was disappointed at the answer given
by the Prim Minister, for in the situation in which we now
found ourselves, it would have been salutary, wise, sad
politic on the part of the government if they had shown
more candour and frankness than the noble lord had exhi-
bited that sight. The fact was that parliament was not
convinced that the policy pursued by the government before
negotiations commenced wee the policy they were now pur-
suing. Nor wee it satisfied that retioeeoe should be longer
observed. In saying this he did act wish to interfere with
the course of the government, or to eusharrass sego-
ttstions ; but he thought it would have been more satisfac-
tory if the noble lord could have said that negotiatime were
still going on, that the principles of policy on which the
government had mimed the cadenzce wen those which
had guided sad saimated their councils, that there was •
fair prospect of their succeeding, and that if they did not
atioceed the government would take the opportunity of vin-
dicating the oars* they had recommended. But when
they heard that that course was one emetly opposed to
their original policy, it was impossible to expect from the
House of Commas that they should not require soma
communication to guide and animate opinion. Let the
house, continued the right hoe. gentleman, re-
member what has occurred during the present session,
and let them comsat that with the reserve
and silence which have been obeerved—not arising
from any indifference—not from the seat of sympathy
with others—not arising from any want of feeling with
I regard to the gnat ioterests at stake, het arising from a
sense of patriotic prudence and • determination to assist the
government under these difficulties. (Hem bear.) But,
let me remind the house of some of the great incident. which
have occurred. First of all there was the original anxiety
which the home felt when the subject was brought forward
acid they had then the sanimmos of the noble lord
before the prorogation, and before we were seat
to our oormitueole without • can, and which
made every heart in Copenhagen happy and serene,
that if difficulties should arise in regard to Denmark she
would not find herself alone. (Hear, bear.) That was satis-
factory so myself, and though I will not say I Vernbled, I
felt, as the question of peace or war was concerned, •
natural anxiety for the honour of the country. But the
noble lord, whim prescience is remarkable, told Denmark
that she wank' remain intact, sad he assured the house that
no difficulties could arise. When we met mein federal
execution was impending, and the house was prepared, if
that execution took place upon constitutional pnowples, not
to interfere. Then there was the psalms of the Eider, and
that wee a point upon which the house and the country fixed
their attention, sad there wee • general uodeastaading that
if the Eider was passed the goverment would sake such
steps as that the spirit of their policy would be supported.
(Hear, War.) The Eider was , and so were other
rivers, and at last Jutland was invaded, red 1 will ask the
house to recollect thou:ewer which the noble lord gave to
me in reference to an inquiry as to the invasion of that
country. The noble lord said it was as atrocity. (Hear,
hear.) Now after all these things we lied ourselves
in a cnuference. Negotiations are carried on, and
the hones, notwithstanding all these diseppolotmerits—
notwithataiiding all these various circumstancee—
has reason to believe that the conduct of the governmet
hal been far from eatisfsctory, yet the house has gonermaly
sunported the government because the noble lord told us
candidly, frankly and repeatedly, that the government had
entered into the conference for a definite object and with a
definite view. (Hear, bear.) We do sot wish to hold the
noble lord to any particular details, but what we want is
that the spirit of his policy shall be observed and n,ain-
taed. (Hear, hear.) There has been • suspeusioo of arms
for a =oath. The truce is nearly over, sod is there no
rumour of suspicion ?—is there no cause for thinking
that the end of that trace is not to the honour
of England? is there no moss existing which can make the
House of Commons impose that the polity of the govern-
ment has changed! When everything is ea smooth as a
summer's sea, is there so mom for dark distrust is the
public mind that it ought to have been the office and duty
of the minister under such circumstances to have come
forward and given some account to parliament of these no-
gotlation•—to at least reassure the public mid by giving
some information of the transactions which have taken place.
If it be the fact that the government in this 'Mersa'
have entirely changed their policy—if they are perpetrating
that partition of Deninark--(cheers)—whichooly five mouth.
ago they were stirring ups Europsan war to peewee, them,
I my that it is a mockery to the Hones of Commons far the
noble lord under such circumstances to remain silent.
(Loud Aeon.)
Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, we have had a magnificent
display of virtuous indignation from the right boo . gentle-
man. (Loud cries of " Oh, oh." and " Hear.") The right
hon. gentleman knows that he is attacking me is • pesitioe
in which I cannot go into the defence which I could
desire to do. He is like • man who strikes another with
his arms tied babied him. (" Oh, oh," and " Hear, hear.")
There is not much courage in that. He knows, because he
has hese in Aim that I am tongue-tied at tie pretest
saressot, and cansot go into an mower to his quietism.
(" Oh, ob," and " Hear, bear.") Sir, the right—
urn boo. smile-
has • policy—he only talks of a polsad he
preaches those those whom be thinks have no poliey. Bat I rhea
lents him Mazy what this policy is. (Oliesis.) Let hits
tell us fairly what he waste the goversiseat to do, sad let
him ask UM house to give • rote of support
so her Majesty's government if they will adopt the pohcy
which he proposes. Let him propose • vote that this boast
will support the crown by all the money sad sneer whisk

may be necessary to dive effect to his polioy. (" Oh, oh,"
and "Hear, bear."' 'When be doss that I shall say that he
is sinner, la the comes whisk he admen in this hoses. Those
who know what isegotietios is, especially a segoliatioa ear
red on with o great variety of powers, who have different
views sad differed interests is the matters at stake,
must know, area the right besourrible gentleman
ought to know dud to slate from day to day
whet has bees the mover of the nesotistion,
what boa been the result of this interview or that coo.
fumes, would be to madames the result which everybody
who value the peace of Europe desires. (" Hear, hear,
and theme.) Therefore, in spite of the taunts of the right
boo. gentleman. I shall not be induced to violate that
which is my duty, and throw an impediment in the way of
what we hope may be a antoesidal resole It may be oath-
factory to the right boo. gentleman and to the boom to
know from day te day what each member of the Coofereace
said and projrcesd. (Cries of " Oh, oh.") That is what
the right hoe. ;madman waste—('' Oh, oh." ad "
that Is *Melly
_what he wants.(" No, no.") The forams
papas have told him what takes place, and he wants me to
go into those details which the tonic! papers have already
' told him. ("No, mi.") But the right boa. gentleman
knows that there is a peat difference Mumma the statement
made by a minister of the crown in this home and that
which is stated in foreign pspers. (Hear, beer.) Hoa.
gentlemen may take as little or ea much as they plasm
from them papers. But though I have a great desire to
show every possible respect to this house, sad I am
quite aware that the house ought to be informed of
everything which can be with propriety hie communicated,
yet I cannot depart from my duty, not even to gratify the
desire of this house. And lam sure the members of the
house will, if they reflect upon the courts which the govern-
ment has pursued, see that the government are prevented
from going at present into these details. Bat when the
negotiations have arrived at a 'tweet which it will be coo-
' Distant with our national intonate sad the duty of the go-
verment to make them known to the house, I am quite
satisfied we shall be able to merinos the house in this
matter we have acted according to our duty and for the best
I interests of the country. (Cheers.)
Mr. S. FITZGERALD thought the house would be of
opinion that the noble lord bad from the beginning to the
end of his remarks entirely misrepresented the information
which his right hon. friend bad required from the noble
lord. There were such things as reckons and reserve on
the grounds of public expediency, but there were also such
things as retioesce and reserve on the grounds that dis-
closures would be persoeally inconvenient toe government.
(Hear.) The noble lord said that his hon. friend asked
for details of what occurred at the Joriference from day
to day, but that was what Leith's his honour.
able friend, nor the house, nor he (Mr. S. Fits-
monad) believed the country required. (Loud chem.)
ben this conference was first proposed his boo. hided
asked the noble lord the basis upon which it was to meat •
aid the reply was that the noble lord at the bead of the
Foreige-ollice had convened it, and solely with the object of,
if passible, peace to Eureps—(" Hear " fens Lord
)—tent the noble lord added the only p 'maple
upon which he could go to such a conference he the
maintenance of the integrity of Denmark. (Hear,
hear.) Bat Ina that all? The noble lord at the bead
of the Forgive-office had addressed the governments
of France and Rues, asking them for concert sod
to-operation io the object of settling the affairs of Denmark,
and they aged what he meant by concert and co-opera-
tion. The noble lord smeared co-operation in the giving of
material assistance to Denmark.—(Lod PALIIJOISTOS :
What was their answer')—Allow him to add something
still which be thought important. The noble lord was
asked under what cireunistaoose that omoperation was to
take place, end what was the noble lord's answer' He
mid that the concert and co-operation ins to take
place and the material aid to be given whenever
any proposition was made for the dismemberment
of the Danish monarchy. (Loud cheers.) Well,
it was not whet occurred from day to day in the con-
ference that his hon. friend wished to know, but whether,
as was confidently stated, her Majesty's government had not
only cemented to, but had actually themselves
that very diamembermeot of Denmark which ttr head
themselves denounced some months sioce—(lad cries of
" hear, hear)—which they had declared would be a just
came of war, and in the event of which they would be pre-
pared to give material assistance to Denmark. (Loud
cheers). Now what they' wanted to know was
whether her Majesty's government had dose that ;
having declared that they went into the conference
with one object, had they themselves been the partial to
procure a directly opposite policy?—whether they bad not
taken up a position which five man out of every ten in the
house and out of the house believed involved the disgrace
and hatothatios of En land. (Load cheers.) Before they
gave that im i 'taooddeace which the noble lard
they wanted to know whether the statement which was
generally believed was true, namely, that her Majarty's
government bad taken that course in the eminence which
they themselves had been the first to denounce. (Hear.)
Lord R. CECIL said he regretted that no member on the
Treasury bench bad thought fit to answer the qualities of
his bon. friend, but that, on the contrary, all seemed
anxious to bring the debate to a conclusion without giiing
any information. The settle lord told them calmly to re-
flect mica what were the motives of her Majesty's govern-
ment; he had done his best calmly to reflect, and he had
come to the oonclusion that this was the 6th of June.
(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) The noble lord knew that
if by answers such as be had just given he could satisfy
the home ; if he could, by sheltering himself behind his
position of negotiator, put them off until the
summer was a little more advanced, his govern-
ment would be safe for soother year. To the noble lord
and those who sat with him the welfare of Denmark, the
maintenance of theatres, and the upholding of the pledged
word of the British government, woman trifles as compared
with that paramount oonsideration which presented itself
to their minds in ouenexkia with the torminatios of the
session. ((heers, and cries of " Oh, oh.") Now, be ven-
tured to ray that the noble lord was meting au experiment
upon the patience of the house and the country which would
not be answered by results. It was idle to talk of details,
they knew that there bad been a total chasm of policy, and
that thediscoem burnout of Denmark had bees agreed to, nay,
proposed, by her Majesty's government. (Loud ones of
• Hear.") They said then It was idle to attempt to withdraw
the conduct of the government from the judgment of the
country and the House of Commix,. England, whilst pro-
fessing to befrisod Denmark, was really her enemy. We
had pushed her from concession to concession—first Hol.
stein, then Rendsburg, then the armistice, then Sleewig
south of the Schlei ; and now there were rumours, which
be trusted were not true, that the noble lord intended to
byield to the flagitious demands of the German powers, and
and ours Danish population to ita German memos. (Hear.)
He (Lord B. Cecil) behoved that the House of Commons
would sot len remain silent under such eireanistauces, but
wouldball the noble lord and his government to an accouot
which he was bound to reader, and that he would not be
permitted to stiffs Demuth by asking the Home of Com.
mom not to interfere whilst negotiations were going 00.
(Hear, bear.)

Mr. KLNoLAILK thought it would be lamentable if the
language which was need on that or the other aide of the
house should bare the effect of es•gger•4ng any difficulty
that the govenme•t might have is preserving ps•es. He
fully appreciated the argument of the right boo. mem•
bet for Backs. He (Mr. Kingiake) moat admit that the
silence of the house bad been purchased by the declaration
of principle which the government had made. (Hear, boar.)
He must however read the attention of the lamas to the
discumion which bad taken place at • later period, at •
period immeli►tely preceding the oonferene• Question
after question was thee asked sa to the basis upon which the
plenipotentiaries were to go into the conference ; and the
government an•ounaed with reluctance that they went is
without any boas other than the oommoe desire to mime
peace to Europe. Surely that sentiment was • re•
tractatiou of what he must call the impossible
principle which the gover•meut had propounded at an
early period of the wino. He thought that the house
should rather welcome the retirement of government from
• position which ell Europe felt to be untenable, than
taunt them hack into it by such language ea they had heard
that evening.

Mr. GRIFFITH thonslit that the noble lord took upon
himself a great responsibility is prolongiog the armistice
hob a period so favourable to the development of the
Danish means of defence. Personally, however, his opi
nion was that the best settlement of the question would be
a hoe whisk, should divide the Danes from a rem which
bad proved themselves so brutal, ferocious, and untried-
worthy r the Germans. (Her, bear.)
Mr H. vErarzy was of opinion that no settlemest of
the question ward be satisfactory which maintained any
coenezion the German population of the duchies
sod the c rown. He thought that the opinion of the
people of disables should be taken.
D4ess

ECCLESIASTICAL REGISTRY BILL.
Mr. H. SEYMOUR inquired when the promised Eecle-
miestscul Registry Bill would be introduced, end whether
the government would lay oa the table the orrespondence
which eat forth the objectless of the bishops to Amy mat.
sure for the reforneoltbs ecolesimetioal courts.

Sir G. GREY said that no opposition bad been offered
by the bishops to the introduction of a measure of reform,
bat it was very desirable that the cannot to such a pro-
posal should be as genera as possible, and the subject was
still under coasideratioa by the Lord Charsinillor.
THE NEW NATIONAL GALLERY.
The house then went into eommittee of supply on the
miscellaomotts estimates, and
Mr. COWPER moved a sum of 10,0001. on account of
the vote of 152.000 f. for the new 'tattoos' gallery at Bar-
Lantos House. Piccadilly.
Lord J. MANNERS proposed the rejection of the vote,
on the ground that the only proper site for a national god.
lery was that is Trafalgar-square, and that the scheme of
the government was usnecemery and extravagant.
The prinos! of the government was supported by Mr.
Gregory, Lord Elam, and Mr. Walter, and opposed by Mr.
A. Smith, Mr. Ayrton, sod Mr. Farmed.
Lord PALMERSTON--fiir, I wish in the first place to
explain a clasp al on on this question. ("Oh.")
Is 1060, I think it was, I undoubtedly adopted the viewed the
late government that the National Gainey diould ramie is
Trafalgar-square, and that the Royal Academy was to have a
of the trotted of Borlingtos-bouse, close to Piece-
illy, oo which to build a suitable edifice. Suberqueat eau-
sideratioa has iodated ine to alter that view. My opinion
now is that this not the best erraagenteot, bet that Ibe beet
armaginneat to to let the National Osllery have the building
iu the rear of Eurlisgtoo.house, and to allow the Royal
Academy to hive thtues, but not the property, of the site
is Trask's-square. We ought all to have the same object

la view. That object is to provide a prow reapplied . for
the ancient pictures the «matey aow pawner, and next to
psovide a suitable building for the imeouregemant, educe.
tier, sod display of art, so as to enable the public frostiest
to year to judo of the program el art is this .witty. With
have
to the latter part•
of the able* that seam too to
have bees ices sight of is the disemeioa this maim& and
after all that is the tattoo= of the whole seism of a
national pasty. Far what mimes does the nation mow
mulate a great number of retorts? Not simply for the
gratificatioa of loolcing at them, bat also to serve es models
for the painters of the country, and as a mesas of in-
struction by the formation of a greet and distin-
guished school of national ad. That is the main
object of a mamal gallery, bat it ought to
be combined with an academy that gives iestrucitioa is one
Eof the year, and the mesas of exhibition besides.
izt ear, hear.) With regard to the National Gamy, we
ve more pictures this the building oars contain, cad we
want additional seammoodation. Surely we ought
_to

try to dean that eassaamadatitm at thi least padble
expales. Swart pineenk whims was the sada lard
opposite, have prepared a plan ealerging the buildiag in
Trefalpx.square. How is it to be eularged so as to afford
acoommodatiou for all the pictures which we have sow or
ere likely to have? The nettle loud proposed • Dort of make-
shift by erecting a gallery on iron pillars. Is order to en-
large the presort building sufficiently to answer the purpose
we should have to take in the Damask-yard and buy the
workhoime, sod the other buildings connected with it.
Besides, to satisfy the critical eye we meat entirely
slier the front of the =sent building. That
would involve a Lugs exposes. wham the
boa. meat= for Plymouth nimbi& hos. gentlemen be-
low the gangway that they would be aecociatable to their
oorattituatta within a limited time, is sot that an ergeasset
for them to vote for as t that weld proclaim
the lawn possible sharp on the public revel= ? (Hear,
bear.) A good gallery for pictures dam not require aa
architecture' freak bat it requires good internal straw-
meat. The principle of latrine' armageniset has bees car-
ried to a great extent within the last few years. You would
obtain ground behind Burlington-kouse for the beet reap
Ude for =twee with the best means of seeing them. Yee
would have it at the least possible expense, and a very
moderate alteration of the frost is all that would De re-
quired. You would therefore, for less expense, have in the
rear of Burliugtoo.bouse ample accommodation for all
the pictures you have at present, or are likely to
possess for a long time to come. Upon the principle of
or:roomy, therefore, 1 think there ma be no qui:state as to
the advantage of the plan proposed by the government over
that of the noble lord, whisk will lay the foundation of
worm= expenses. (Hear, her, and cries of " Oh.")
When you have your &Oki between Kabarkiag in that sort
et toberne and the plan proposed by the government, I
*Lek the "louse will be ready to adopt the ecooomical plan
by which the object in view will be folly andoompletsly
carried out. (Hear.)
Mr. OSBORNE hoped the house would consider the
position in which It was placed by the speech of the
noble lord who bad Just at down. Hs remembered is
1860, on an evening when there were barely forty mem-
ber@ present, the noble lord Wooed them forty members
to pass a vote of 17,000 f. for beautifying aid sole:gin
the Gallery is Trafalgar-square, precisely for the NOM
that be had made up kw and that Trask:al.-square should
form a ate for a =mood gallery for the receipt of
the national collection. ("Hoer. hear," and laughter.)
At that time the right hoe. member the First Commis-
timer of Works—he wee peg to say "first
commissioner for taste." (laughter.) He begged the
right boo. gentleman's pardon, but that right hon, member
had not then described thaw doe= se only fit for a suburban
villa. That evening, however, the right bon. gentleman
had succeeded in doing that most wooderhil of all thlags—
be had eirecended is dreg= the opinion al his sable seta-
live. (Hear, hear.) What did the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer my with regard to the subject of economy in ope-
ner= with the course they wen pursuing in this case?
The speech of the:night hoe. gentleman wee remarkable,
and yet it had been allowed to stand as it wee without
any prairie. (Loud cheers from the oppositimitryn
The right boo. geetlentaa regretted " that so •
had been allowed to elapse before any coeclusion been
arrived at as to the disposal of the buildings purchased in
this matter, the price of which bad been paid, and eistailed
a large annual charge for interest. He had so Waikato in
saying that this and other eircenistanom of a like kind were
owing to the lamentable state of the arrengements with
regard to the management of our public works." Ault=
reference to the committees which had neon
this, he seemed to have anticipated the opera made
to-night by the noble lad, for the right bow- Bwidattall
said, " uncert•iniett tostlamen, salesywroalle
—(&ems),—tosenaces—(elvers), ,—and all the erneratteg
vin that could be mum= were united is our premed
system. There was a total want of authority to direct or
guide—a total want of making up oar minds sa to what to
do." 4Hear. hoar.) And he summed up by saying, that
"he believed that such were the evils of the system that
nothing short of a revolutionary reform would ever effect a
remedy." (Loud cheers.) He (Mr. Osborne) asked
'whether, in the face of such a declaration, in the hos
of that vacillation" they had men displayed not only by
the First Commiesiceer of Works but by Ida bottle fele-
tire at the bead of the governmeet, this boom was pre-
pared to vote 1500001., remembering that the original esti.
mate for the wretched house in which they were assembled
was 745,0004, butiwhich afterwards rote to 3,000,0000 (Hear,
hear.) The House el Commons would be west* in it.
first duty as guardians of the public pause, if it did sot sup-
port the amendment of the noble lord the late Filet Com-
missioaer of Public Works. (Cheats.)
The committee then divided :
For Lord J. Manaus' meow
Against l_l-32
The announcement was tangoed with loud cheers by the

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opposition.
The following voles were agreed to :
69,1271. for the Wanes aod expenses connected with the
two bowls of pediment
53,1474 for the Treasury.
26,8831. for the Rome-office.
Os the vote of 710154 for the Foreign-office,
Mr. D. GRTFF ITH inquired whether those telegraphic
despatches which might be printed in the Woe-books would
in future be distinguished from the ordinary despatches?
The privilege of Wan quarks. was one of the most ins-
ponies which the bowie powered, sad he would not allow
it to suffer at his bands. (Cries of " Divide.") During the
absence of We noble viscount at the head of the governmest,
• tow days ago, • gametic') was pot ea this =Wed., and au
answer returned by a right Ma. gentleman which was
worthy of the seale portlier in the firm of Gammas
and Beep. (laughter.)
Mx. LAYARD said that on • former owaros he did his
best to espial° how the case stood, and, with the solitary ex-
ception of the hon. member, worries undessksed that lapis-
oatioa. (A laugh.) A large amount of worrespcmdsres was VOW
carried on the Foreign.offiee by telegraph. Ilessages
were sent sod warren received in apber, sod if three wen
rendered literally in English it might sostile peewee to se
certein and betray that cipher, which would be productive
of the greatest parable injury to the public service. That
wastbe reason why the boo. membeee suggestion could not
be carried oat.

Mr. GRIFFITR .aid that the objection to do what he
preeeesd wad a mere !natter of official red tape sad eb-
atisaey.
The vote was thee agreed to.
A vote of 23,4211. for the taco of the Secretary of Slate
for the Colonise waa also weed.
The sant vote was a sum of 17,0001. for the Privy Cons-
eil Moe.

Sir J. JERVOISE called attention to the AI t 6 roped of
tie medial officer ordered to be printed the 14th of April,
1863. He laid be believed the Mlles of medial adviser- of
the Privy Council would be of greet advantage to the auto.
try. Now this report, though promoted la March, wee
sot placed in she hoed* of honourable members till
the August following, rod to the meantime it appeared
that the salary of the new officer had been paid without
comment. The boo. baronet proceeded to observe upon
the terms of the report, sod to object to the imaimeies (as
we noderatcod) of all statement as to the sources of the
officer's informatioo. The subject was roe of pest laver.
omaiderizig that the lose to the county &riming frees
mittle disease was estimated to mount to 6,008,0001. a year.
Mr. H. BRUCE did sot quite understood the hoe. gee.
demo% objection to the reports, the learniog and ability of
which be admitted. The hon. geotlemen appeared to think
that there wee a discrepeory between the reports of two
gentlemen, but be (Mr. Bruce) did not me why they should
. .

The vote was then agreed to.
Oa the motion to report promos,
Lord ELCBO said that the house bad, is as economi-
cal st—(No, so)—well in aa uneconomical st—(No no)—
well, then, in an economical and uneornominil St
—rejected • vote of 150,0001. for building • nateal
gallery. It was clear that the wish of the house wee that
• *animal gallery should be huh worthy of the nation.
C, no.) Then there wee so meowing in the vow
Hear, bear.) He found from a
_parliamentary paper of
7.8, that Lard Liu:over had submitted ass estimate to
the Treasury for 500,0001. for enlarging the Minimal
Gallery on ita present sit* ; sad he wished therefor* to tab
her Majesty's government whether they would bring
is a supplementary animate this year for building a
motional gallery on the site which the house wished I. be
adopted. namely, is Trafalgarliquare? (No, no.)
Mr. SOLATER•BOOTH said that the interpretation which
the noble lord had placed epos the vote of the hones was
justified by no speech that had bees made duriag the
debate. The wish of the house tem that so public mow/
should be 'peat oo a national gallery at all, but that ,the
Royal Academy, which had plenty of mosey of its own,
should build itself • gallery. (Hear. hear.)The CHAIRMAN then reported progress.
GOVERNMENT ANNUITIES, Ito., BILL.
This bill was recommitted, cad, with some unimportant
&anodises* was agreed to.
PUBLIC AND REFRESHMENT HOUSES
(METROPOLIS) BLLL.
This bill was committed WO fora*, to insert amendments,

RAILWAY COMPANIES' POWERS BILL

This WI wr wa~mittd.
RAILWAY DONSTRUCTIOR FACILITIES BILL.
The house west Site cesumittee so this bill pro ferns,
sad immediately ressured.
RAILWAYS (IRELAI,D) Al= AMENDMENT BILL.
Os this bill also tie house west We essusittee pro
forms, sod promos was reported
LIFE ANNUITIES AND LIFE ASSURANCES BILL:
This bill was reed a third time sad pealed.

WEIGHING OP GRAIN (PORT OF LONDON) BILL.
The buoyed mesa; of this bill wee moue() by 11,.
CIAWFOID is a epos in which be explaioed it. weal
psovidass.
fair J. +SHELLEY sowed tin adjournment of the &We.
After nese disayaske.
The house was, is the mastics of ea his. mamba
" oossisd oat." sad at twenty minutes to two c'cli.kk
stood adjoareed.