The Express.
London, England, 1852-06-08 00:00:00

1111 MILITIA BILL

On the order ofiiedai OR He third —minas if this bill,
Mr. RICH said he wished to retest the thins of lawn-
sisteney that had beets made against metals his. cabers
who had voted for the local Militia Bill M having voted
spinet the bill of the present government. There were
liar parties in the house. There were these who were op-
posed to all militia bills, and had voted against thou all •
there were thou who were inclined to support either a local
or a general militia bill, in the hope of getting either mo-
dified according to their wishes, when in
cosansittu ; there were these who opposed the
local militia bill, ae founded on a vicious prin-
ciple, and who had refused to allow the bill of the
late government to be laid on the table. Of that
party the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer and the Home Secretary were members. Then
there was a fourth party who approved of the local militia,
but who considered a -general militia to be mischievous,
and who, though they bad allowed the present bill to be
brought in, had voted against the second reading. He cer-
tainly thought the conduct of the members of the present
government with regard to both militia bills justified the
course which he and others hod pursued, and entirely re-
moved the charge of inconsistency. The right hon. gentleman
had grounded the introduotion of the measure on the immi-
nent danger threatening from abroad ; and had stated that in
the event of an invasioo our arsenals and our capitals would
have to be defended by 25,000 men only. The discussion
which had taken place had disproved both these allegations.
The government have reduced the number of men origi-
nally proposed to be voted, and this reduced force would
not even be drilled before the winter. The government
had moreover declined to take advantage of the offer that
the period during which the militia was to bo drilled should
be increased to a sufficient duration to make the men effi •
cient soldiers. The discussion on the Militia Bill had
shown that instead of the 26,000 men of which the right
hon. gentleman had talked, they might bring no less than
65,000 men into the field, composed of cavalry, in-
fantry, artillery, and marines. The right honourable
gentleman (Mr. Walpole) had excluded Ireland from
the militia. Ireland was as much part and parcel of
the kingdom as Scotland and Wales, and had as good a
claim to be defended and to assist in the defence. Ireland
ought to be included in the consideration of the bill. When
some years ago disturbances occurred in the manufacturing
districts, troops were forwarded from Dublin to assist in
restoring order in the disturbed districts. There was no
reason why such a proceeding should not again be had re-
eosins to. The troop, in Ireland were more disposable than
those in England, beaus the constabulary of the former
possessed more of the military character. The ques-
tion of the disposability of our forces deserved the
most serious consideration. Honourable gentlemen had,
however, assumed that the house was legislating
with regard to a large and comprehensive in-
vasion of this country, which would imply a long course
of preparation on the part of the enemy. Why, that would
give us full time to make corresponding counter prepara-
tions. (Hear.) In the case of a general invasion, he
would grant that the disposition of the forces must be very
important; but to talk of quartering 10,000 men on the
banks of the Thames, and 6,000 men in Portsmouth and
Plymouth, and each of the other important arsenals, was a
mere mystification. The question to be considered was not
a comprehensive invasion, but a vigorous and violent as.
sault on the sudden outbreak of a war by a body of men
who might land in England before we were aware, and
while we were unprepared. In such a case it would be
a misters of cowardice and incapacity to lock
up nix-sevenths of the army in garrison, and behind
siege walk These vague ideas of danger had been dia.
Mby diesuseion ; for it had been proved that instead of
NM OM was an army of 65,000 troops backed by
14000 men in garrison battalions, whose services would
omeder the regu'ar troops more disposable. If her Ma-
e ministers had come down to the house and said that
did not consider such a force sufficiently strong for the
of the country, and hod asked for such a reinforce-
meat as would make that fora more disposable, that re-
quest wall have been received with all due consideration
and swats t. A variety of alternatives had been offered to
the geverament by those hon. members who opposed the
Wale Militia Bill. The noble lord (Lord J. Russ-11) had
=t a local militia, a force much more in sic-
e with the old constitution of the country
rhea that now pregmed. They had been requested also to
aegrabe the 11111111114141 ride corps which voluntarily offered
disk sereben The importance of arming and drtllimg the
=liartilmae, and the police, and other local and
belee bad lees pointed oat to them, but the go-
VIIIIIIIIIII6 bad turned a deaf ear to all these propositions.
The boa. mad pima member far Westminster had pointed
a way by whit& UN eddiers of the line might with safety
bo brought hem hes the colonise. Other hon. members
had anaemia the addition of 10,000 to 16,000 men to the
regale, army, though they admitted that such a manure
would be ..at esgensive and permanently impossible.
Another enueeties had been made by which 10,000
or 16,000 regular troops might be obtained at a
trifling exposes ter the next twenty years and ea
gable of maul exercise. It appeared to him to
amount to a kind of infatuation, that instead of going to
the well-disposed and disciplined of the popuLtion tor
an addition to the regular troops, they should seek to hire
a multitude of loose agriculturists to do the most important
duty of a man, with which they were totally unacquainted,
and for which there would not be time properly to instruct
them. If the danger was real, as many said it was,
it would be akin to that madness, with which
they were told individuals and societies doomed to
ruin were aliened, to seek for safety in such a force. Why
should there not be an army of reserve ? Why not ni-
lmodel the army of nerve already existing in the pen-
sioners ? The pensioners were allowed ls. a day. An
addition of ed. a day to that amount would not make a
very large additional expense to the Tenantry. If such
an offer were mad* to well-conducted soldiery, who had

survad 10 or 12 years. it would in nine cases out of tea be
eleserfally accepted. There were at this present moment 30 or
40,000 man in the army who had served upwards of ten
years, 20,000 had served between twelve and fifteen years.
Such an offer might, he thought, be mad, without the au
thority of the house by an order in council, or by a warrant
front the Home Guards. If it were made to the troops
serving at home, and in the colonies nearest England, they
might, before the militia was half organised, obtain 10,000
or .12,000 soldiers, well disciplined soldiers, between 28 and
30 years of age. Each successive year would add to that
number. The only objection that could be made to this
simple proposition was, that the best soldiers would betaken
away from the army ; but if the danger that was apprehended
Wall real, that objection mast at once fall to the ground. If it
were real. he wee at • loss to know, too, by what powers of
reasoning the taking of • soldier of experience and good
character from • colony, and transferring him to England
to meet the greatest danger, could be construed into taking
a good soldier from the army. Was the soldier not taken
away to perform the highest wad most important duty ?
The expense of carrying out his proposal to its full-
est extent—say to the maintenance of • force of 80,000
men—would met less than 200,0001. As the force
would not require drilling except on alternate years,
he might assume that 8.5,000 prime soldiers between 25 and
30 years of age might be obtained at a cost of 150,0001. a
year. He should like to ask the most fervent admirer of
the bill before the bogies, whether the 85,000 men thus
easily obtained would net be a thousand times more pre-
ferable than the 80.000 ram whisk might or might not be
raised under it, and which, when raised, would be useless.
This was one of the 'shantung which was offered to the
governm. nt, but they preferred, ea they said, reverting
to the old general militia. But the old militia
force wee essentially local ; it was raised, both
officers and men, within their respective counties;
it was never drilled in another country, and only in eases of
emergency wee it required to leave its own country. The
change made by the government in the militia law realty
laid the foundation of some nondescript faros totally dis-
tinct from the army, a home fora under the command of
the Home-offiee. This wag a feet of which the house and
the country were scarcely aware, but its features had gra.
dually developed themselves. The militia force had lost all
the counteracting influences and restraints of local authori-
ties ; the quotas wen no longer raised in one araway
alone; the larded qualification for officers had been
abandoned. and personal or other qualifications introduced;
the drill was no longer confined to the counties, and by
the oath wb ich the militiwmen were to be forced to taka,
they womb.. be liable to serve in all parts of the kingdom.
In fast, it was • militia only in name. (Hear. hear.) 1w
the e.t.a of an invasion, there were two methods by width
the regular troops might be reinforced : either by IS a&
dais*" to the regular army or by the subordinate tw-epers-
tion of regularly drilled battalions derived from Totes-
tarn, from the levy en moue. Each of the latter were
er.eutially distinct from the militia as it was now to be in-
•stituted. The militia was now become nothing more than
a mischievous compromise. (Hear, bear.) What were the
requirements of an army capable of doing good service to
the country in the event of an invasion ? The first was,
that they should be soldiers capable of serving in
lines ; the a.cond was, that they should be se-
curely found and easily organised; and the third,
that they shou:d have • character of nermanence.
How were the men to he found? Were the militia local,
and wire the men crated near their own homes, he granted
thi.t men mig •t be found; but the bouety would necessa-
rily attract the more or Igoe indigent and vaerant elms, and
the very fact of their indigence and vagrancy would render
such persons extremely difficult to find. The government
relied on some regulations which were to be framed by the
Secretary et War. Let those regulations be ever so astute
they would not tacrew,
the Pay ; and as these men were
to be quartered in the provincial towns, soil to live in
public-houses, he woull put it to the common Knee of any

out of
one,
toperrhuetisin.tethe - i
with the
hos. member whether 21. a day, the amount to a
(Haar, hear.) hearlr"Trelte- ,r
ywwouoludldbecomausla
curiosity, but it would be very difficult to find them
second time. After being drilled for three weeks the;
would roam about the country,
. and, as he presumed the
government were not going to introduce the system of pass.
lui
that
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ibdlfeorbeerb by
u. thispdin ir bill.
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porta, it would not be easy to discover them. Now, when
Very Hare and yet it was ageing
would they be soldier.? Never, so long as they had ouly
right hon. gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
rriado:ededritiontihmi,attiihe6
ciandiir
Algiers.militia of
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such troops that they were required to guard the country.
Would the right boo. gentleman say the acme of the tgii.
Mr troops, or would he say the same of that army of reserve
which be (Mr. Rich) had shown might be attached to the
regular troops ? (Hear, hear.) Let them compare
the government measure with his own proposal.
py the time that the first batch of the militia could
bit 'attained his proposal would secure, at no c st to the
public, 26,000 fine troop in the prime of life ; (a number
e of being extended to 70,000 or 80,000, and the
sad other incidental expenses would cut under
a year. On the ether head, the government mea-
nie mull together this year by meow of the bounty
UPS mon; and next year, by means of the screw
etas ballet, ft "Mabee might be raised to 80,000 ; and
this militia um to do what would be done much better by
the pensioner' "MI dockyard battalions. There was great
truth =dead sew in the remark of the hon. member ter
Manchester, that is ease of invasion there Willi nut a soldier
in the country who would not be available, sin* there
was note town, village, or hamlet in this country where
numbers would not instantly be ready to perform police
duty. If the militia was nut capable of filling that part in
tho defence of the country, the necessity fur which was
created by the asserted insufficiency of the army, it it could
not co-operate with the army against the invader., it wee
good fur nothing. The measure, then, fell to the ground
on the point of efficiency—the minor grounds of popularity
sad expense he had dealt with previously. Why, then,
should the measure be paned ? or rather why should it not
be rejected? The immediate consequence of its rejection
would be that the government would have time fur calmer
deliberation. Ile trusted no hon. gentleman would fall
into the silly delusion that it was better to du something, no
matter what, than to neglect legislation. He put it to the
house whether the government, considering the matter calmly
during the recess, and fortified by the report of a commie-
lion, would not be likely to produce a more permanent and
useful measure then that before the house. Haring regard
to the petitions which had been presented, he must say it
would be disrespectful to the people, at the eleventh hour
and in the fifty-ninth minute of the existence of the present
parliament, to legislate in defiance of the declared wish of
the country. Ho should therefore move that the bill be
read a third time that nay six months.
Mr. MACKINNON seconded the motion. He believed
the recent idea of invasion had arisen from the pm.
Talent use of steam-boats; but, in point of fact, steam-
boats increased the hazard to an invading force.
Believing that this bill was opposed to the wish of the
moaner, and obnoxious to the welfare of the community, he
should give his vote for the amendment.
Lord H. VANE would vote fur the third reading, and
eventually fur the motion of the hon. member fur Lam-
beth, to omit the compulsory clauses. Ile agreed with the
mover and seconder of the amendment that this measure
bad evoked a considerable spirit of hostility throughout
the country, but that was not a sufficient reason fur ne-
gativing it, if that house thought it necessary for the honour
sad safety of the country.
Mr. MACGREGOR said that public opinion out of doom
was entirely against the bill, and therefore lie wondered at
the hardihood of the government in going to the country on
such • measure. In Londea the people had no apprehen-
sion when the funds were beyond par, and when enormous
sums of money were leaving every day for investment in
the public works of France. He believed that there never
was a period in the history of the latter country when they
were so desirous of maintaining amicable relatiens with us,
and he knew that the President felt that nothing could be
so dangerous to the stabilk y of his own power as any rup-
ture with England. As to the other three great powers—
Russia, Austria, and Prussia—their policy, esp. cially singe
the death of Prince Schwarxenberg, was one of peace, and
of compact defence, not against the French President, hut
against the eventualities of another revolution. In such a
state of things, he thought that • more impolitic hill
had
hear) If increased force were necessary he would willingly
consent to the addition of 6,000 men to our marine force,
and that would be a much better defence than a body of
men who would only be bad soldiers and worse Mtinll.l.
With these views he felt bound to oppose the further pro-
gress of the bill.
Mr. HEADLAM intended to vote against the third reed-
ing, and hoped that the house would concur with him in
rejecting the measure.
Mr. EWART said it was a paramount and insurmount-
able objection to • ministerial measure that it was inefh-
eient ; and this was so. Let the necessity for additional
defence be proved, and he would consent to an increase of
the regular army and of the artillery.
Sir H. VERNEY (who spoke with his back to the gal-
lery) was understood to say that the bill would be useful
as • means of training the population to arms, which was
one of the moat satisfactory measures of national defence
that could be adopted. He hoped the Secretary at War
would make such regulations as would prevent the admis-
sion of persons of bad character into the force. He
trusted encouragement would be given to the rifle corps,
who would prove most valuable soldiers. It was desirable
that the army should be increased by some rifle regiments.
The hon. member for the West Riding had said the question
of national delimmes ought to be submitted to a committee
or a commission; and he hoped the government would not
late sight of that suggestion.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said that after the great majorities
on this bill, not having offered a factious opposition to any
of its clauses, or given any but a silent vote, he might be
allowed to intrude for a short time on the attention of the
' house. Any impartial reader who hereafter reviewed the his-
tory of our put wars and taxation, must come to the same
conclusion as a celebrated writer, that taxes had not been
raised to carry on war but that wars bad been raised to
e on taxes. (Cheers.) The majori.y of that house
wouldan not dispute the proposition that our greatest glory
nu bat an occasion for taxation, and that the most expen-
save luxury of the day was a successful general. (Hear,
bear) He drew a material distinction between armies
Ihnned for that purpose and those for defeoee. To these
bee. members who were against any defensive measures at
ape he would submit that in the " Utopia" of the great and
pious Sir Thomas More, in which was depicted a state of
where all lived in primeval happiness. detesting war,
glory, lawyers and soldiers being alike prohibited
hear)—for the author would have neither martello
towers 'nor briefs in Chancery—(mughter)—yet even in
that Utopia they were allowed the use of arms, and to fight
in defence of their rights and liberties when attacked.
(Hear.) He could not think that any one in this country
was so Utopian as to seek to denude the country of
its natural defence against foreign invasion. Without at all
agreeing in the panic that had been raised, he did not
think—looking at the present state of the continent, the
gigantic armies there assembled, and the reactionary rulers
at the head of thole armies—that we ought to decry the
prudent circumspection which was occupied ia reviewing
our defences, with a view to put them in a state of efill•
ciency. (Hear, hear.) It might be very well for the hou.
baronet to say that he had great confidence in Louis Napo-
leon. He (Mr. Osborne) did not share in that confidence.
And why not ? It was most natural that a man who had
raised himself by the power of the military order should
act in accordance with military prejudices. (Hear, hear)
We must come to the point. Tee power we dreaded was
France; we had no confidence in Louis Napoleon, nor had
we any right to have. (Cheers) A revelation was made
by M. Theirs in the Chamber of Deputies—when there
was a Chamber of Deputies in France—which he was sur-
prised had not been quoted in any of these debates. It was
short and simple, but it told wonders; it told
much against Louis Napoleon, and justified us in calling
upon whatever government we had to see that our
defences—sufficient as he maintained them to be—were put
in a state of efficiency. On the 17th of January, WI, hi.
Thiers had made this statement in the Chamber of Depu-
ties, which had never been contradicted. He said that in
an interview with Louis Napoleon, the latter had told him
that it was necessary to occupy the public mini of France,
and to this end that it was essential to undertake some great
project abroad, whereby the minds of the marshals would
be captivated. Atter this, ministers would be blind if they
did not take every precaution to put this country in the
most efficient state possible, with the large sums of
money that were now voted for our national defences.
The ministers were bound to supply more accurate and
detailed information as to the present state of the national
statement been made to the house ? Year after year they
defences, military equipment. and so on. Had any such
had been voting enormous Mims of money, but they ledd
had no means of knowing how they were laid out. Ile
was prepared to assert, that if properly laid out tiny
would be quite sufficient fur the defence of the country
without any militia, any martello towers, or any addition
to our rifles. (Hear, hear.) He had discovered Mom the
French military estimates of 1848, that there really was
some truth in the old proverb, that one Englishman was
equal to two Frenchmen ; for he found that an English
soldier cost double what a French one did (Laughter.)
The British force, st all antes, numbered 113,287 men, and
it cost 9,337,0001., or about 821. 81. 4d. per
man. The French estimates for 1848 were for 338,633 men
who cost 12,000,1831., or 401. 3e. Bd. (Cheers.) But for
our 113,000 men we had actually 117 generals, whereas in
the French army, treble (tad now quadruple) the number,
there were only 8 marshals and 143 generals. (Hear, hear.)
The total coat of the staff and regimental officers in Eng-
land was 1,270,0001. upon • charge for the effective service
of 3,164,0001., or 381 per cent. The cost of the same in the
French army was 2,260,0001., upon a charge of 12,000.00010
or not 19 per cent. (Cheers.) But then we had the dead
weight of half pay officers, at ass expellee of half a million.
The clothing of the French army was contracted for,
entrant 12s. per head leas than in this counts".
which ought to be the cheapest in the world
for woollen goods. (Hear, hear.) Again, military jester
in France cost 8,0001. a year. In England it coot 31.900:
(Hear, hear.) All the arms and stores in the French terve*
in a much higher state of discipline than our own. In
were open to public contract. and the army was maintained
England there was only a paltry charge for powder of
22.000/., but in France the amount wee quadruple that
They had no twivil, guns and marmite towers—(laughter)
but then they had Millie rifles and all the latest invention?
while our soldiers had only those clumsy old nitokets, ant
were not allowed to expend powder in practising. Nothine
could he a more penny wise and pound foolish policy.
(Hear, hear.) There was something wrong
in the
'seem, and this alone was a sufficient reason why bo

woe the Wed sod Irby the boos should
its Rim some explaootleu. (Hey, how) lU as ob-
agengeer had Nose We the home whoa dr fakir
war' oak* for Itty theseaod nes be vesbe base bee
etta
aamotsog• to lave seen the Home bac .
2ffsti' „„d, a proposition. The nom Mlle
elf f"" • •
▪ gestleman dousgaishod at the Clumsily bee ; but whoa
a Chancery harrimer et a Home Merreneey basw
.bout the anry ? (Hear, bear.) He (Mr. B. Osborne)
gought that this matter ought to be pissed Is the hands
d.•ar minister, who would be able to explain taz.tr:
„
• c,,„„, was situated with regard to its d.
Ire. hear) And whet wet the consequence of the pre-
-4,141 al They were about to per this bill in • panic
-A bill which nobody in his heart believed an,
mo—t‘•tuch a majority of the military men who hod Mill
amine and of the intelligent etc haus proaosoold to be
;.4 umly ...kw, but Meal:fleet. (Cheers.) Hs bad Nee
with sorrow in the papers of that day an &admit hem the
eight km gentleman the Chancellor of the Beekman to
he tieling constituents in Buckinghamshiro—those see-
gem; fanner., who still believed in him. (Liset-
te ) That right how. ((seaman recounted three rapid
itt, of statesmanship which he had performed is a short
town, and upon which be (Mr. B. Osborne) supposed he
(spectra to go down to posterity. (Laughter.) TM right
boa. gentlemen said, " We plume ourselves apse the mos-
sere for the milius—a measure of internal deems, which
it is believed will molt prove both popular, ecommleal, ate
eaciont." (Laughter.) Ile (Mr. B. Osborne) was not in-
chard to indulge. in prophecy, but this be would take leave
to parody, and say that, instead of ass internal defence, it
woald won be an internal complaint, which would prove
'wither eonwinieal, nor beneficial, nor desirable. (Cheers.)
The right bon gentleman seemed to act on the principle
ef••the smallest contriautienelhankfully received." They
all recollected when he came Jowls to the house and pro-
pel that every volunteer should have a vete. They all
'membered too the most sudden At of parliantestary re-
mittance on record, when the right hon. gentleman tame
down the next night and withdrew the proposal. Sore.
said that Mr. Walpole was too democratic, and MM. that
it woe a joke of Lord Derby. That was a mistake. He (Mr.
). Osborne) believed the cabinet had made up its 'wind on the
point, for tie knew where the right hon. gentleman had
stolen the tiles. (Laughter.) It came from Mr.Wpidhani
is ; and he was surprised that tbe tight hen. rede-
em dal not propose Mr. Wyndham's other indecent/at to
sealirra to enlist, namely, that they should give the ser-
pents a tight to kill game. (Loud laughter) Mf. Cobbett
apti ..rater Hunt had moved the converse of the proposition
in 1,31 ; and it was reserved far this home tow it revived
by particular desire and fur one sight only. (Loud
leughter.) The bill was not intended for the defames of
the country, but to terve the exigencies of a mioistry at its
hat gasp. (Hear, hear.) But they were told that it was
necessary to have an army of reserve. Surely the right
hos. gentleman did not suppose that to put a man in a red
coat would make him a soldier. (Hear, hear.) If they
were forced to resort to the ballot, they would indeed be
obliged to have an internal defense when they went so con-
trary to " the genius of the epoch"—(laughter)--ms to make
Lineashire and Yorkshire "pay the piper" for the national
defence.. (Hear, hear.) But lhow was it possible to raise
an eerily in the manner prop red? With 21 days' drill it
would M totally impossible to make the men commonly
steady. Ile
I,Xlr. B. Osborne) wee quite amused at the
simplicity of t e Hume Secretary. Ilail his briefs been so
1111111tf.11.14 in Chancery that be had not had Use. to inquire
into the organisation of an army t Ilverytiody would
edmit that her Majesty's ministers were a nimble and active
troop (Laughter.) The noble lord at the heed of the
government bad been successful in executing • very difll-1
telt manoeuvre, namely, changing his frost in the presence
of the adversary. (Great laughter.) The Chancellor o
the Exchequer was well versed in light infantry move.
meats, and hoer well bow to advance and retire
ow a budget. (Laughter.) The Home Secretary was
LeEauu,nt;r7eritiislaiwaisgtitnul the !frill of q°l7:t^7.';
.cch Ewes (the Itemetary-at-War) was an *Reoriented
soldier, and would avoid danger at any quarter; but the
Attorney (Senegal had not been able to get much farther
then the rudiments of " goose step." (Laughter.) But
the force which was peugoseel to be raised would be a farce,
even as an orgasi hypocrisy. (Laughter and cheers.)
The bill was not worth the paper, and would mon probably
tempt invasion than repel eg-ression. (Chem.) At the
end of lye years, after 21 days drill, the mu were to be
dimmed to their hoses. Why, such a tiros would be
nothing but an irregular bade, more 1 hely to be dangerous
tithe regular soldien than to their foes. (Cheers.) Mr. Pitt
was a great advocate for utilities, but he never centeneplated
seek a 'militia as this. His idea was that the men should be
brigaded and kept is an PUMA Mato. Some gestlemes,
whs resembled the Home Secretary is his amiability and
renal want of understanding on these points—(leyliter)
—bad proposed a 20 days drill bet Mr. Pitt said, "I beg
to ask any thinking man whether it is minable for a volun-
teer to acquire only the simplest part of a soldier's trainin
in 2:oda), ((Cheers.)Ha (Mr. B. Osborne), too, would
ask any thinking man—he would ask the right hen. Presi-
dent 01 the India Board, who was a man of great cape-
fienee, and might have beard Mr. Pitt epeak—(laugbter)—
hew at was possible to make a man a soldier in 21 dap'?
(Hear, hear.) The right boo. gentles= (Mr. Wel)
seemed to emulate Pompey the Grist, who wed M hors
that he could raise an army by seamed/4 die gram/ I but
be was moire likely to resemble the fabled Imo of she Sims,
sad would be obliged to say—

isamen ham army don't hisk op a row.'
(Load lonian.) The bill was a trumpery ebeetisa ; lot
6 was me dime ao °betakes that he emend OA ado&
der:makleg • remark arm it. lie was mash orphed
diet a minim, et the eve of ea elesties, oil *blew
sabre% he ememeed, to acquire • littlla.L=r, amdl to
emelt the poise of the epoch"
ha
wl pespered ezeopt peers free . (Chien.)
Ho Ought that that was • groat elm yon the British
erfeeirmarip, owl be believed tbst bey deb it as ea Walt ;
to, whatever be MAN of the ediagesery. they MI new
*nob Ibizepikele dare la the mad M-
artin el the delhase. (Cbset•)4Tel:ati said that
it was to mho the mat* as army of risers*.
If they maid say caul of mans at all he believed the
Wm Ps s of AN emootry wim to look to their wooden
milk to laN an emrpowertei raval bra rich es no
sibe power esnM Immo with, sad to give hall mope to
wisensuo die esepedf elves they wanes& But he toiled
ea the hems la the were of a statesman sew so Mae, mot
Is be esaght by a fear of Ovules We ehe saws of • &-
mom Mabry, set to pea • esseme proposed by a
muustry eerambli far • partjusast diemmeti in the pmts
of an ea irk!! per
The 10 CITOII-4111411RAL said the (sutra ins
whether, is be peanut ems of this wines model Zeroz
it wo le Immo their 2268nel
absths= vs des hiss
moms el kaffedertesseitsm
The ha madmen who bed= rem had mOsil be
is 1111111bm
ret (11=181rreaseal) theashaitriathey leaked to
618 MB was requisite. TM minim eddies who
htmi their amiss, the 411Magished ow st the
ef the demo. sod envy Massa e
sad bale who
emeibeed the maewMae sassed bat R wee eireinley
emend es rig end that Os beet mesas
of &be • was by MO, a Leas beim this bill
kid loser bask la. the sttmlila tea bib elleismea bed
boa dieted Issinth=. soil had beta Welt
•tatthe der RAM was
wat=is to lobo la sith a oseerm Rea. member
sepal Miltemommded the maw ilea Moe Mb bill,
ireseld hew bum his., te lam peeper. ea
bad theemy. reseethe time girths ovolatisma=
arise sad pablis spina hid boa alike Mrs
re row ; and as swomestalies of it bed=4=li
be believed rat as one mail Mee are Wally
egaiast it the. ben amebas enpedM AM thus with m-
ord to m boars .the wavy, • sadden Meese might put
to ths abbe adealetims. to. expos we te fayssfaa. Oa
thew premeds. he emblessel thet this hill was mareary,
al he believed thet a stele of pegentiou Per wee was the
preperrative of perm
Hr. PETO said past clad ef stress had Mot laid on
be Maio which Ann .5.14 gin he the Mmes. may,
bettime beaks were squall mediae& do debase. and
as mom of duo& oaaotaa wenM mho be of great
seat is ere am korai. Them was a wry oboes &O-
hs 6 te• egoism tide blll. sod the
vo, that a Mesas web aseded r=tr.
laWr to aura:eat the regular many sod miry tiro te sell
eatthe cif tic.
The hon.' then divided :
For the amendment l4s
The 'anit it
lum" theta reed • _.. time.
Os the mo•ioo that thew de pep!.
Or. THORNELY owed ibe alidinsa of the allesZli
them .—" No limbo al the of the Unkel
Imam, nor 'ay exams me. pmfaaew, lOW, w keares of
the mid uaiveraity, or of= mAssoe, easel, of inseitatim
esse,ct.,l with the said . undo the pesellims of
asy charter thereof ; as, say ei say Mk 00111111,
wt nr Math velem, dtroleasienieled is use said maim-
ee~a" '0,1417 Teat edemas in myof the mid
res. schools, or instils • woe say edeat wienher
r the Laivervity of Durham shall be liable to Berme, pro-
vide a substitute for the militia."
Mr. WALPOLE (who was speaking whim wo were re-
admitted to the miller') was understood to NUNS, to the
harodemion of the claim.
ler. HEIGHT thought the dam was emeM•MigailiaMM
mfortunue enures which communist had tabs. He amid
seeso mama why if the Uaiveraitir of Oablideldel =,
sod Leaden wen, c tempted 111=sestillw tm.
toed exemption should nut be stink/firm There
Weis college estabilehed in llmashaeete. moiled with •
Mettler Stead proiemore, eel witli • lbw elbadeass of
mason. and
therethe we. mamba *ow la be "I" ftigh-
arierhood for Mise of wags
bard these ia-
autet.one ousht to be Minded in the eseamlises. (" Bbr,
hem," and "divide.") He °m ad not understood why thew
mmptiona were ant extended Amber. Mks hotter proof
the penis! lemma of the right hew ossitemes (Mr.
Walpole) could be Insist than the imeartime tat ft moreover, a rinpletajaetifteatiem of the semis par.
111•1 In hie right hoe colleague (Mr. H. Gibson)
that
them al persons engaged in tkr education of youth should be
pted from the operation of the ballot. (" 4n11111., to Mr. E.:I4ItT,
ALPOLE stand that they had draws the lima at
doliercee and could ant lethal' seheob.
law words from Mr. WILLIAMS, the clam wee
V° ed tn.
lir. WILLIAMS moved the mission of clause IS (the
%IBA O'er)
dr. WALPOLE mid that the clause led beim fully die-
posed in enswitter, and accepted by • large 11■040ritit sad
heNiK it to the hon. ',utters., whether it would be worth
In divide the lima, &Nein. (Divide. divided If hi
Ms Williams) was cistrnaimed to divide, he woe merely
Naiad the Mese that there was within of a cempfavery

mature la the risme, but manly • parmielve power to the
g•verastast to sakes* the ballet if noremary. If the clause
wee left set, • prune ettlebed to =ether dame man be
mimed else, sad the conesseest would be left win the
Meta* ef three 111., with the obles to pet the ballot
=M ae cue they shield set ebt a sulkiest
of teen.
The home thea divided—
Per the dune
met
air L. EVANS mend ue insert the 142-46
dime
after the 34th Netwithsteafteg earl/Aar basis OW
mimed, the provisions esuilied is an act el the 44th year
of Kt Chomps the Thled. doper 111, intiteled An AA to
coasolidae end mend the prowielese M seurel
!to eorpe of maim ha velmoosef gent s.
to make legeletker Pi theette.' theires=theaM
twee, se ear se the teems whoa le the eerelmeet et ew
of yeemeary sad the euespihme to whift
es 4 owes -ars 'added by .rise of this leatlmeatissed set"
The isetioa we einem' tw
TM his. sad &last Mamma then mend the addities
of • peeving to clause 33, the object of which we to proem
the ballet hem beiag roseeted to cusps I. time of war or
immlaeat danger of war.
Mr. WALPOLB opposed the easeadmest
Mr. ANSTKY TWIN slat loud poses, sad expremed a
hops that the amendimeme would he peened.
Mr. D'EYNCOURT gel that to compel service except
in time of wit was Weft repugnant to the genius of the
constitution. (Laughter, end grin of " Oh, eit." his the
ministerial benches.)
Mr. 1:10CLBUILN mldthesentot paseles the mama&
mint would be to ensue the mimeo et Chestrall hem the
ballot, whits all other peels et the ateearg resalsed whin,
to it. (Laughter.)
The house divided—

• For the proviso B2
Assinst
The bill then passed.