The Express.
London, England, 1863-06-27 00:00:00

TIIF FXPEESS, SATURDAY' EVENING, JUNE 27, 1863.

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ,to ask the Home Secretary whether he bad made any in.
I quiry into this ealreordinary story.
Sir 0. GREY raid he had known nothing of this case I
until be remised a private notice from the boo. baronet of
the gaieties be inteeded to put. Upon looking at the
neemaper report be (Sir G. Grey) thought there was
nothing in it to Justify him to cal;ing upon the magistrate
for an explAnatioa. (Hear, bear.) Mr. Corrie had, how-
ever, sent htr (Sir 0. Grey) • memorandum, stating that
• member of the bar. a Roman Catholic, had visited him,
and called his attention to that report of the newspaper,
implying that he (Mr. Corrie) had induoed the lad to
clangs his religion. The Roman Catholic gentleman matured
him (Mr. Corns) that he thought the report quits un-
fourded ; that the boy was twelve years old, and bad been
twin: chorged with offences and found guilty ; and be
thought Mr. Oorrie was perfectly justified in sending him to
• reformatory. The parents were, one of them a pro-
testant, and the other a catholic ; they agreed to leave the
choice of a reformatory to the magistrate. Having lacer-
tained that the only religious instruction the boy had ever
received wan from a Roman catholic priest, Mr. Corrie de-
termined that if there should be room in the Walthamstow
Reformatory the boy should be sent there.
THE DEBATE ON POLAND.
Mr. BENTINCK raked the hoe. member for the King's
County whether in consequence of the alteration in the
aspect of the question. caused by the grave disclosures re-
cently made by the noble lord at the head of the govern-
ment, Le intended to bring on the question of Poland on
Monday next.
Mr. HENNESSY said he believed his honourable friend
the member for Norfolk was one of those who on • recent
occasion voted against the noble viscount's motion to sus-
pend the orders of the day, in order to allow the Polish de-
bate to come on. In =ewer to the appeal now made to him,
he begged to say be believed the government were in daily,
almost hourly, expectation of a telegraphic message from
St. Petersburg, announcing the reply of the Russian
government to their despatch. Under these eircumatasoes
he would Si his motion for Monday, and he trusted that the
noble lord would enable him to make his motion on that

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110U8I OF LORDS.—FauDay, Jrxx 26.
Th• Law Cu:wow:Meek Ws oast co tb woolsack it
Ike o'clock.
Tall SLAVE TRADE AND
NMENTTHE SPANISH
TRADE

In &newer to Lord BROUGHAM,
•r 1 lf*.4EL 1, said he had Do objection to send Commo-
dore Wilmot'. report no the Spanish government. It was not
cornet to my that the Spanish government protected the
slave trade. (In the cootrary, they said it was abominable
sod most inhuman, and eh- emplried mesas to pot it
down
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Earl of Fife's Estate Bit was read a third time and
M' lmed.
REGIMENTAL DEBTS, he., BILL
This bill paned through oommittee.
INNKEEPERS' LIABILITY BILL
This bill pawed through committee.
BETHLEHEM HOSPITAL
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved for the following
returns :—L The annual amount of the revenues during
the last tea years administered by the authorities of Beth-
lehem Hospital. 2. Total amount of mosey received by
the hospital from parliamentary Krauts. 3. Average num-
ber of patients in the hospital in each year of
tea years apart from the criminal patients. 4. The
total number of governors of the hospital. 5. Number of
special meetings since January, 1863, in reference to the er
moral of the uospital, and number of governors present on
sack occasion. 6. The questions proposed and the divoions
takes. The public were justified in demanding that they
should enter into the full enjoyment of that large income,
sod be was at a lose to know en what grounds the governors
resisted the offer made to them for the purchase of
the present building, and its removal into the country.
The admirable Letter of Dr. Conolly showed that Bethle-
hem might be made a model school of instruction, in
which the intentions of the founders could be carried out
for the relief of the worst class of disease,. He main-
tained that their lordships could do wrong to no single in-
dividual by acceding to the prayer of the petition, which
represented half a million of people, but might do wrong
by decliniug to accede to ita prayer. In conclusion, he
begged to wove for the returns which stood in his name.
(Hear, bear.)
Earl GRANVILLE said there could be no objection
whatever to the production of the papers asked for. Most
of the statements made by his noble
friend were so con-
admit with good *ease that be did not anticipate that any
✓eply to them could be made- Indeed the fact that, al-
though many of the governors of Bethlehem Hospital were
members of their lordships house, and that not one of them
had contradicted the statements of the noble earl, showed
they were borne out by the force of public opinion. He
trusted sincerely that the speech just made would have an
affect so as to produce a wholesome influence which would
react on the governors of the hospital.
The motion was then speed to.
AMERICAN PRIZE COURTS.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE wished to ask the
noble earl the Secretary of State for Foreign Affair's
whether any authentic reports of the proceedings in the
prize courts of tbe United States of America, especially in
reference to the cue of tbe Dolphin, had been received at
the Foreign-office. It was neceseary that the proceedings
of the prize courts should be closely watched lest doctrines
should be allowed to pass contrary to those laid down
Sy us in the highest courts here, and which might lead to
vest confusion hereafter. He also desired to know
whether any communications bad been received from the
government of France proposing to recognise the Southern
.States of America. He thought the time had arrived when
we should not allow war to go on to the injury of our cone
meree-etliat while we ought not to interfere, it sae com-
patible with our principles u strict neutrals to recognise that
government. If we did so it would lead to a speedy termi-
Ratios of the war.
Earl RUSSELL said, in answer to the first question, he
should state that a report which appeared to be authentic of
the judgment in the cue of the Dolphin was received yes-
terday evening at the Foreign-office. He certainly thought
it right that all these cases should be watched. (Hear,
hear.) He found the doctrines relied upon in that judgment
VON those laid down by Lord Stowell and Sir William
Grant, but whether those doctrines were rightly applied to
the circumstances of the case was another queetioe,
upon which he offered no opinion whatever. With
the second question of the noble marquis—
wbetherrii to
any communication bad been made to the govern-
ment of this country by the government of the Emperor of
the French, proposing or suggesting the recognition of the
Southern States of America—he begged to say that no such
communization had been received. With regard to the
general subject of recognition, he did not think the circum-
stances were much altered since his noble friend (Lord
Strathedes) brought forward the miestiou in that house
and he (Earl Raseell) still inclined to the opinion be had
then stated.

INCIABURE (No. 2) BILL
This bill was Teed a *mood time.
LEASES AND SALES OF SETTLED ESTATES ACT
AMENDMENT BILL.
The report of amendments was agreed to.
AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE TREATY BILL.
This bill wee read a third time and paned.
SECURITY FROM VIOLENCE BILL.
This bill was read a third time sod passed.

INLAND REVENUE BILI.

This bill was;;;C:trtirtFilas;;;lpoTasscf.

MILITIA PAY BILL.
This bill was read a third time and was&
noir lordships adjourned at belt-pest nix o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-FRIDAY, Jogs 26.

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After our report left yesterday, the house went into emn-
mitt*e on the Public Works (Manufacturing Distriete) Bill.
Sir G. GREY mid the bill would be read a third time es
the first order oo Monday next.
The sitting was suspended at twenty-five minutes to four.

The house rammed at 6 o'clock.
THE MHOW COURT-MARTIAL

Mr. CONINGHAM gave notice that on Monday he would
oak the Ceder Secretary for War if he would lay on the
table r copy of the second memorandum on the /dhow
Court-martial, signed by the Adjutant-General.
SALE OF INTOXICATING LIQUORS.

Mr. LAWSON gave notice that on the motion for going
into oonimittee of supply, be should move that in the opi-
nion of that house the lima affecting the male of intoxicat-
ing liquors Isere in an eminently unsatisfactory condition,
and reariired immediate alteration.

day.
Mr. CONINGIIAM, in consequence of the reply of the
boa. member for the Kin,County, begged to ail( the
right hon. barooet (Sir G. ) whether be could state in
what order the business would be taken on Monday next!
(Hear, bar.)
Sir G. GREY said that the report on the Public Works,
Lancashire, Bill, would be the first order ou Monday.
After that would come the Committee of Supply. The
hoe. gentleman would take his own course, but he would
not probably bring hie motion forward in the absence of his
noble fraud at the head of the government.
Mr. HORSMAN said it would be too late on Monday to
move that the orders be suspended. If he desired to make
the motion, he most make it to-night.
Sir 0. GREY said that all uncertainty was, no doubt,
undesirable ; but it was very uncertain whether his noble
friend would be able to attend on Monday, and under those
circumstances he was unwilling to make the motion.
Mr. HENNESSY said that after what the boo. gentleman
had said, he should fix his motion for Thursday.
THE RECOGNITION OF THE SOUTHERN STATES.
The O'DONOCIIIIIE asked the hon. and learned member
for Sheffield whether he intended to proceed with his mo-
tion on the recognition of the Southern States on Tuesday.
Mr. ROEBUCK—My answer is, certainly ; and lam only
astonished that soya* should entertain any doubt about
the matter. (Laughter.)
THE VOTE FOR FORTIFICATIONS.
In reply to Mr. C. BIIITINCIL,
Sir G. GREY stated that the vote for fortifications would
be taken on Thursday next, and the votes for the purchase
of the Exhibition building subsequently.
THE MACLACHLAN CASE.
On the order of the day for going into committee of
supply.
Mr. STIRLING again called the attention of the house
to the papers in the Maclachlan murder cue, and com-
plained of the course pursued by those who conducted the
prosecution.
The LORD ADVOCATE defended the course he pursued
in the matter, and contendedthat it was contrary to the
practice of the law of Scotland to place a person on his
trial who had given evidence in a court of justice upon
the case in which he was supposed to be an accomplice.
Sir G. GREY justified his interference on behalf of the
prerogative of the crown in the case, although he admitted
that the evidence given at the trial folly warranted the
verdict of the jury.
Mr. PIGOTT succeeded that if capital punishment were
to be continued there ought to be established • mode by I
which an appeal might be made to • properly constituted
tribunal.
After some further discussion, the abject dropped.
THE IRISH CHURCH.
Mr. OSBORNE then proceeded Weave that a select com-
mittee be appointed to inquire into the present ecelesiastioal
settlement of Ireland. The hon. gentleman sad he use trot
surprised that his boo. friend (Mr. Dilliryn) should feel
disappointed at the policy of the government is reprd to
this question, bathe should remember that great ignorance
existed in this country upon the subject of the Irish church
—a subject which was formerly made the stalking.borse and
the stumbling-block of the whig party, but which now found
little interest with the treasury bench. It was far easier
fur the government to read lectures to the Emperor of
Russia as to the management of Poland than to legislate
justly for the people of Ireland. The ghost of Baoquo wee
not more hateful to Macbeth than the revival of this quo-
Moe of the Irish church was to the noble viscount and his
colleagues on the ministerial beach. He, however, would
tell her Majesty's ministers that this question could not be
yeah longer evaded. The question was not whether we
wished the church in Ireland to remain u it was, but whe-
ther it was parable to continue that church in the
country without extensive reform. It appeared to him
that Ireland was in the same situation now as she was
when Lord Russell, some yearn ego, described her by
obsseviag that she was occupied but got governed.
The present. Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, when Lord
Morpeth, to 'peeking of the Irish church, said it repre-
sented the worst gains of the sinecurist with the worst
principles of the bigot. Lord Palmerston, in 1843, de-
scribed it in equally flattering terms, and Sir G. Grey ex-
pressed hie opinion of the Irish church in a somewhat
similar tone. He (Mr. Osborne) desired not his motives to
be misunderstood, for he would at once say he should think it
mat unwise to uproot au establishment which for 300 years
was firmly implanted in the soil of Ireland. He had no
wish either to uproot, to abolish, or to confiscate the funds
of the Irish church establishment. lint if it could be
views that the working of that system was prejudicial to
the Interests of the country generally, and contrary to the
principles of true protestantisor, be thought be should be
proving his case for the necessity of reform. He
wished to keep apart the religious and political
elements. The established church of Ireland was
founded by Tudor violent* and perpetuated by Puritan
ironer. It was • fraud, though he admitted it to be
one of • pious character. By the last census the
population of Ireland amounted to about 5.500.000. Of
the population the Roman catholic numbered 4,490,583;
the members of the established church, 678,881; and the
presbyteries; 528,992. In England there was one bishop to
410 benefice; with congregations amounting to 1,500,000.
In Ireland there was one bishop to 118 benefices, ntimberiog
only 5,000 of ecogregations. Where was the necessity for
keeping op twelve Whops in Ireland when six could do
the work? Why should not their incomes be cut down
to moderate dimensions—say one half If a reform
of this kind were not very soon carried out, be
ventured to say that the whole bench of bishops
would be can lately swept away. The boo. gentleman
then proceedd, in his usual vein of humour, to quote a
mesa of statistical details showing the disproportion of the
congregations in Ireland to its churches and clergy, and then
submitted to the house that be had proved that the pro-
testant clergy of Ireland had scarcely any congregation;
I and therefore that they ought to be reduced considerably
I in lowlier, so as to give them duties to do as well
as salaries to receive. He maintained that in the pe.
I calla circumstances of Ireland the congregational sys-
tem ought to be substituted for the territorial system.
However alert the house might be to offer suggestions and
reforms to foreign states. be thought that some time ought
to be given to the consideration of their domestic policy.
It was, however, very probable that to the treasury
bench "it was &deuce which lent enchantment to the view.'"
Bat why did they endeavour with such assiduity to
plucktbe motefrom the Pope of Rome's eve insteadot taking
the Irish beam from their own vision! (Laughter.) lie had
heard *noble lord in another place state that be had offered
to his Holies* the palace at Malta, but he thought that if
the people of Ireland were consulted they would not object
to the primate of that country being removed to a smaller
mansion with a more circumscribed income. There was a
strong analogy between his Holiness the Pope and the
Prime Minister of England, for both had been the heads of
the liberal party in their respective countries—(loud
laughter)—and both had been at one time ardent reformers
(renewed laughterl—both had produced reform bills.
and both had *beamed them. (Continued laughter.)
The Pope was supported at Rome by the French soldiers,
and the Prime Minister of England was kept upon the
Treasury bench by conservative votes. (Laughter and
" Hear, bear.") Both of them were inclined at meant to
do little or nothing, and non positions was as much the
motto of the Pope of Room as of the Prime Minister of
Eagland. (Loud laughter.) He regretted that her Ma-
jesty's government did not look at home, and see them-
selves as others maw them. (Hear. hear.) If they did
that they would see 4j millions of Romeo catholic* in Ire-
land who would gladly accept some of the six points
which bad been suggested should be offered to the
Roman catholic of Poland by the Emperor of Russia,
and the Irish people would not object to see some of them.
alas sittiog in the cabinet of the Queen. (Hear, hear.)
The Prime minister would recommend to the Emperor al
Russia that none but Poles should fill the public offices in
Poised, but be studiously excluded every man who bad the
confidence of the Irish people from a seat in the cabinet.
(Hear, hear.) He for one was opposed to the projects of
the able lord, and it the liberal party were disposed to
assert their claim to measures more liberal they would sot
loupe remain in a torpid state, but would unite and insist
upon a reform of the Irish church. Re begged leave to
move the questios which be bad so ineffectually brought
before the house. (The hon. gentleman resumed his seat
amidst loud cheers.)
Mr. CARDWELL rose to reply to the boa. itanganna•
but could not proceed for some wrests in amsemasece at
the lewd mils for Biz Robert Peel, sad erten of "Order,
cider," "Sew, his,, sit ling* the *plat his, iteattems

mid he would not aspire to continue the animated and
sassing tone which had pervaded the hon. gentleman's
speech, but he hoped the house would be willing to listen to
some serious remarks upon this great and interesting
question. (Hear, hear.) In 1833, when the question
was brought forward by one of the most powerful
governments of modern times, and before the flood tide of
reform had begun to ebb, it was immediately found neces-
sary to withdraw it, and what was the result ? Why, in
1834 it caused the desolation of that strong govern-
ment and the retirement of Earl Grey from office.
In 1835 the government of Sir Robert Peel
was expelled horn office upon this very question,
and from 1836 to 108 that house was in constant (media
with the House of Peers, and then they surrendered the
question. His hon. friend's proposition wag pot really for a
committee—that would be trifling with the genetics at this
period—but his hon. friend really meant by en abstract
resolution to condemn the Irish church, and he
wished to do that now which he knew by expo-
rinnoould not be performed. (Hear.) Twenty -five years
had elapsed since a celebrated clause had been adopted,
and since then, an uninterrupted silence had been male-
mind on the subject. His hon. friend had spoken of the
speeches made by the present occupants of the Treasury
Bench in 1857, but he had not told them what he had said
himself in 1856, when he was an occupant of that
bench. He could not find recorded any of those
brilliant sallies or pungent sarcasms which had misdeed
the debate so lively that evening. His hon. Mead had
not told them what plan be intended to propose to the
select committee, but had referred to that of Sir Carnelian
Lewis. That plan was to place the whole tithes of Ireland
in a fund, and, making the church of Ireland congrega-
tional, to distribute that fond amongst protestanta, Roman
catholic*, and presbyterians, according to numbers. The plan
included a concordat with the Pope, an arrangement with
the Roman catholic bishops. and other provisions, which,
however nght.they might be in the abstract, were not, he(Mr.
Cardwell)thought, likely I. find acceptance from aselect COOl-
- fairly from both sidesof the house. His belief was
that that house would not surrender the principles of the
established church, and that it would not alienate from eccle-
siastical uses that which was ecclesiastical property. With
regard to the payment of Roman catholic priests, he had yet
to learn whether the catholic priests desired it, and if they
did, he was not sure that the plan would be liked by the
house. The ground which he took in opposing the
present motion was this : He did not wish to
be misunderstood se recommending the orWoal institution
of a protestant church in the heart of a Roman catholic
people. But the ground he took was a practical one, namely,
that it would be unwise at the present juncture to disturb
the general ecclesiastical settlement of Ireland. His boo.
friend bad referred to the former discussion of this goes- ,
tioo. That discussion ended in failure, and it should be
remembered under how much more advantageous
circumstances it was then discussed than awaited it
at the present time. At that time tithes were
collected from the Roman catholic poor instead of
the protestant rich, vestry one was collected and
the protestant clergy were supported by subscriptions from
England in consequence of their inability to collect their Hi-
mmel. Under circumstances so different as those which
now prevailed he thought it would be the most convenient
course to negative the motion of his hon. friend. If the
question were now re. opened there were other endowments
ae well as these of the established church which would come '
under dimension. There were the regium donum and the
Maynooth grant, both of which were now acceded
to by many members of that house, solely from a,
reluctance to disturb long-standing arrangements. Under
all circumstances, he trusted that the house would join him
in negativing the proposal of his hon. friend.
The O'DONOGHUE thanked the hon. member for the
speech be had made in favour of a measure of simple
justice for Ireland.
Mr. G. DUFF moved the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said the hon. member for Liskeerd,
with his peculiar notions of fairness, selected the night
for his attack upon the Irish church when he knew the
great body of conservatives would be stunt from that'
houses and that the prime minister was too indisposed to
occupy his usual place on the Treasury bench. The hon.
member had laboured hard to dress the old doll, the appro-
priation clause, with such tinsel as his fertile imagination
could suggest. The hon. gentleman's opinions seemed to be
as lax on the subject of property as they were upon the
great question of the established church of Ireland.
Sir G. GREY said it was quite impossible that the debate
could clone to-night, and he hoped the motion for the ad-
journment of the debate would be agreed to. (Cries of
"Adjourn.")
Lad J. MANNERS assented to the proposition for ad-
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t, but expresseda hops that a day would be fixed
rorreMm"ing the discussion.
Sir G. GREY thought that the state of the basins* for
Monday next would permit of the debate being resumed at
an early hour on that day.
The debate was then adjourned until Monday next.
HARWICH HARBOUR BILL.
This bill was read a third time and paned.
HOWTH HARBOUR BILL.
This bill as amended was considered and agreed to.
PARTNERSHIP LAW AMENDMENT BIL
This bill was committed pro fermi.
MISAPPROPRIATION BY SERVANTS BILL.
This bill pulsed through °palmitin.
COURTS OF THE CHURCH OF SCOTLAND BILL.
The Lords' manumit to this bill was considered and
adoTtediones adjourned at • quarter past 1 o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

BETTING AT MANCHESTER.—FRIDAY.
GOODWOOD STAKES.
100 to 12 apt Aulialt4djoff)
10 to 1 Bloadin 1)
16 to 1 Zapa o (t)
20 to 1 Loiterer (t)
ST. LEGER.
7 to 1 apt Lord Clifden (t)
Vary little doing.

IPSWICH MEETING--FtwAy.
A MATCH for 501. Two male.
Captain 'Mogenta's charybdis, list (Owner) 1
Mr. Alderson's Utile Torn, list (Mr. Wake) 2
Betting : 2 to 1 on Charybdis, who waited on the non.
favourite to the distance, whore he came out and won by
three lengths.
Tan IPAWICH NURSERY HANDICAP of 10 'ova, 5 ftv with
50 added, for 2-yr-olds. Winners extra. Three-quarters
of • mile. subs.)
Mr. Mellon's Lifebuoy, by Alarm—The Rescue, 74 7lb
Reeves) 1
Baron Rothschild's Jam ' bomnium, -51 nib French) 2
Mr. Flemings by Newcourt—Maryrels, 7471 b ,Norman)
Patti alio ran.
Betting : 11 to Bon the Marperia any, 5 to 2 apt Life-
buoy, and 7to 2 apt Patti. Woncleverly by half a length ;
the favourite beaten off.
TUB TOWN STAINS of 25 nova., added to • Sweepstakes
of 3 nova. each ; for all ages ; selling allowances and win-
ning penalties. Three.quarters of a mile. (7 subs.)
Mr. Bryan's Folly, by Ignoramus—Production. 2 yrs pa),
64 111 b (17. Norden) 1
Mr. John Nightingall's Fltthroter, S yrs (eel) 74 71b
(James limhtlapll) 2
Mr. Abel's AntoneW, 4 yrs (164), tlat 71b (H. Bt, )
The following also ran:—Little Alfred, Cantrip, and f by Wind-
hound—Vest.
Betting : 6 to 4 on Folly, 4 to I apt Aotonelh, 5 to 1 apt
Fitaßnyter, and 10 to 1 bar three. Won by a length.
Animelli, who was claimed by theowner of the second bone,
was a bad third, the Vest colt was fourth, and tho other
pair beaten off. The winner wan bought in for 70 guineas.
Tan GREAT BLIPPOLg HANDICAP of 20 sous. each, 10 ft,
and sif declared, with 100 added; winners extra. About
one mile and three quart/n.lB subs. 5 of whom pay 5 each.)
' Mr. Barnes's Oberon, by Tadmor—Water thy, 6 yrs,
gat 211)
Mr. Crodding's f by Kingston—Mountain Maid, 9 yrs,
est 12Ib (T. French)
Mr. Flemings Lucretia, 9 yrs, Est 81b (Hunter) S
Betting : 2 to 1 oa Oberon, and 5 to 2 apt the Mountain
Maid filly. Oberon made the running to the distance,
where the Mountain Maid filly joined issue, and after •
close race the favourite won by half a length ; Lucretia
beaten off.
Tan COUNT' MEMBIRS' PLATI of 501., for all ages.
Winners extra. About half a mile. (10 sub )
Lord Rencikebam's Orisette, by Mockwell—Ntnette,4 yrs,
844 21b (0 Fordhasz) 1
Mr. Willin's Smite, it yrs, 71671 h (H. Bradley) 2
Mr. J. DsleYr Banthal, S yrs, 7st 1311) (H. °Warshaw) S
The following also ran :—Zola, Mrs. Somerville, and
Land of the Went.
Tan PLaTVORD STAINS of Slows. eacb,witb 25 added, foci
3-yr-olds and upwards. Maiden allowances. The wiener
to be sold for 100 sous. One mile and s half. (5 subs.)
general Shlrley's Belle of Yorkshire by lroltlgenr —Mlas
Julia Bennett, S yrs, 64 bib (J. Lades) 1
Mr. P. Price's The lialtater, S yrs, tat 91b.... (F CrOuCti,
Mr. C. Booth's Invasion, S yrs, at 101 b (T. French
Betting : Even on)the Maltater, 6 to 4 eget Invasion, and
sto 2 (at tint 7to 4) apt Belle of Yorkshire, who ade
all the running, and won in a canter by three lengths. In-
vasion was beaten some distance. There was no edema
upon the selling price of the winner.