The Express.
London, England, 1864-11-14 00:00:00

THE PLAISTOIV MURDEI.

After our report left on Saturday,
Henry Zitlob was called, and hie deposition given on
• former 000asion was read over and ootn. He stated,
in addition, that he had seen the head of • man at the in-
quest, and he could identify it as the head and faos of the
man whose boots he had just seen and identified as being the
bootie of the beadles' body he had seen.
Mr. Fry—Did you have any communication with the
prisoner on the day the man was missing?—Yes,
the prisoner came to my bolus about 12 o'clock or
half-put. He told me he was up to tondos', and had come
luck again, and that the other man was with him.
Mr. k ry—How did he describe the other man?
Witness—He said, " Me and him was op to London, in
the Commercial-road." I knew the other man that he
meant was "John." The witness then repeated the story
which Kohl had narrated to him about his losing the mur-
dered man in consequence of his not waiting for him at a
public-bolus.
Mr. Fry- What led to Kohl bringing up this subject, and
making this statement to you! bad you been mating any
inquinee about the man ?

Witness—No ; he frequently cams to my bonze • he lived
next door but one to me. I don't know what Lade him
come to me. When the prisoner told me that he had bees
up to town with the other man, I understood it was the man
who was found dead. That man bad slept at my house
four nights after he left Ma. Warren's.
Mr. Fry—Did you supply him food ?
Witness—No; ha got his victuals at Kohl's. He was
brought by the prisoner to my house. Kohl eked me whether
that min could not sleep at my house three or four nights,
because his bed at his (Kohl's) house was not ready.
The prisoner, who throughout the whole of this witness's
evidence appeared to treat it with the utmost contempt and
indifference, frequently smiling incredulously while it was
being given, on being asked by Mr. Fry whether he had
any ioestioos to ask of the witness, said that be had.
The Prisoner—He said to you that I was there at his hone.
at half-past 12, when I was up to London at half-past 12
o'clock.

Mr. Pry (to witoess)—Are you sure that the time at which
the prisoner called upon you that Thursday was half-
past 121
Witnees—Yee.
Yon distinctly swear it wu that time ? Yes. I do.
The Prisoner-1 have two witnesses that I tame over alter
one o'clock.

Mr. Fry—Yon bad better not make any statement. Have
you any other questiocs to ask
The Prisoner—Yes ; he told you I said that the man was
in a public-house when he was outside, while I was in the
sugar-house.
Mr. Fry (to witness)—You say that the prisoner told you
that the young man was left in a public-house while the
Prisoner went to the sugar-house. The prisoner wants to
know whether be did not tell you that he was left outaide
in the street.

Witness—He say that the man was left in the street. I
my that the man told me that he was to wait in a public-
house.

The Prisoner—He not say right.
Mrs. Warren was then called, and her previous deposition
being read over, she stated in addition that when the young
man "John" came with the prisoner to settle for the lodg-
ing', and there was a dispute, the young man had in his
hand 4'. is. rid. The prisoner was there, and
both he and the murdered man complained that the
cLarge was too high ; and the prisoner said, " If he champs
one of these sovereigns he cannot go to New York, because
be cannot pay his passage, and he is my best friend ;" to
which the replied, " If he is your best frieed, and he can-
not pay his passage, you had better pay it for him."
The Prisoner—He not have four sovereigns in his hand,
be have is. Ga.

Air. Fry (to witness)—Did he have four sovereigns in his
hand or not

Witoms—Yee, he had four sovereigns. I swear that.
Priaooer—No, he not have four sovereigns. I have two
',doyens he not have them.

James Warren sworn—l was present at the time the pri•
ao•er and the yoong man called to settle with my wife
about the lodgings. I identify the body and head I have
seen as the remains of the voting man wbo formerly used to
lodge at my home. 1 ►new him by the nave of " John"
only. He was a German. I did not myself see any money
posy, but I heard the chinking of money. The prisoner
au present in the room. Seeing there was &dispute I went
for a policeman.

•
The Prisoner—Wu Butcher in that room, and ono of my
friends !

Wither—No, not till after I went for the sergeant of
police.
The depositioo of Hr. Superintendent Howie wu then
real, as was that of the witness Henry Lees.
The Pnsooer (to Mr. Superintendent Howie)—You say I
tell you I did not firidalhip. I say to you it was two ships
what was gout
Mr. Howie -No, you told me that you could not find the
ship which you were looking for.
Prisoner—lt was not that young man I was walking with,
it was my cousin Bill. _ _

Mr. Fry (to the witness Lewil—Do you know the young
niao you call '• John " very well':
Witness—Yes.

Ilr. Fry—Are you quite sure that the young man you
saw walking with the prisoner was that young man?
Witness —Yea.

YOu-swear-ti,;t?-1 do.

Prisoner—No ; he not ray right. That young man sleep
till 10 o'clock that morning.
Mr. Fry—You had better not make any statement at
present.

Wm. Boson sworn—On the 3rd of November, from 10
to a quarter past 10 o'clock in the morning, I was walking
along the banks of the Thames. When i got within six
yards of Corrie's hut, on the river wall, between the Oil
Works and where the body was found, I saw the prisoner
and the deceased pass me. It was 250 yards from the Oil
Works to Currie's hut, and about Iso yards from the begin-
ning of the reed beds. They passed me on the right-hand
side. They were going towards the reed bed, and on ac.
moot of there being no room to peas me the deceased was
compelled to step off the pathway. 1 had twice seen the
prisoner and delta-eil together within the previous ten
days. What made me take so mach notice of them was
because they were speaking a language which 1 did not un-
derstand, and I wondered what sort of countrymen they
could be.

The Chairman—Have you eeea the men since?
NV allele—No.

Prisoner—That man he say he see me with was in bed
up‘tairs. He never been out. It was my cousin Bill
I was walking with.
Mr. Fry (to the witness)—Are you quite sure that you
saw him in company with the limo who is called "John''!
Witness—Ve,, because. I have seen them in company
before in Iloy-btreet.
Mr. Fry (to the pri•nner)—He says he is quit* tare that
the man you were walking with was John.
The Prisoner—No, not that chap.
Mary Anus Wade, the wife of John Wade, sworn-1 live
at No. 4, Huy-street, I'laistow•msrsh. My husband is a
blacksmith. I and my husband lodge with the prisoner.
1 recollect Thursday .reek. Oo that day the prisoner left
home about half-pest fi. The young man John went out
with him at the same time. Mr. Kohl returned alone at
1 o'clock, or a little after. I let him in. I said to him,
"Good gracious, where have you been to in the
mud !" and with that he went out into the back yard and
brushed it off.

Mr. Fry—lo what condition were his clothes?—The back
of his coat awl the elboe a and his trousers were ins mess
with mud. lie asked me where his wife was, and I told
him that she was gone to mangle. He went out again then.
Mr. Fry—Did be brush the mud or wipe it?
Ile brushed it otf with a Wind). He went out
'gait, after that, and came home about 3 or half-past. 1
salted him if he was going to Germany, and he said yes.
Mr. Fry—When he came in did he appear to be mai-
tated No, I did out notice that he was then.
Did you afterwards?—ln the evening he did.
What appearance did be then present!—He looked pale,
and his ayes were very stinks°. Nobody could be off no-
ticing the change in his appearance.
Did you ask him anything ?—I asked him where he had
left John, and he said outside of the sugar house, and that
when he came out he was gone. Hs said if John was not
home in two hours be should break his boxes open. He said
that Unship they were going in was to sail at half•pest 5.
His wife then told him that if they stopped two hours they
would be too late for the ship. His wile had bass getting
ready all day to go to Germany.
The Chief Clerk—Were you in the habit of lending him
anything!—Yes; I hays lent him my shopper. I can't say
when he had it, but I know that I fetched it out of his
kitchen the following day.
Mr. Fry—Do you know when you last lent it to him
Witness—No ; be had been in the habit of borrowing it
almost every day. He need to use it for chopping up
pecan of wood. Sometimes be kept it two at three nights.
Mr. Fry—Had you need the chopper ea Thursday!—No.
You don't recollect when be borrowed it ?—No. I don't
remember seeing it all day on Thursday.