The Express.
London, England, 1864-04-16 00:00:00

TRADE WITH FOREIGN NATIONS.

Upon the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. W. FORSTF.It called 'Meatiest to the arrangement
between the Foreign-office and the Board of Trade in re-
ference to trade with foreign nations ; and, after repre-
muting the inconveniences suffered by the commercial cum.
munity by having to deal with the two officio, by the dif-
ficulty of gettingthem to work together, and the want of
respouei 'ty under such a system, moved fora select com-
mittee to inquire whether means could not be devised to
out the trading interests in direct communication with the
Foreign-office. In the course of his speech, he adverted to
the success of the French treaty, which he said was won-
derful, and taught a lemon to the nations of Europe.
Mr. LAYARI) observed that there had been a misap-
prehension as to the relations between the Foreign-of loe
and the Board of Trade, both of which departmettte co-
operated in promoting the policy of free trade in foreign
states, where that policy encountered obstacles arising from
jealousy and suspicion. Commercial questions were some-
times so intimately connected with political question that
they could not be separated. He Mowed the impediments
which the Foreign-office met with in negotiating commer-
cial ainuigemesta. With reference to the motion, be is.
sista that the complaints made ageinit the present system
which be explained, were not well founded. The duty of
the Foreige-office wee to carry oat the commercial views
and policy of the Board of Trade, and there was so divided
reepossibality, as there would be under the system sug-
gested by Mr. Forster. The machinery of the Board of
Trade could not be imported into the Foreign-office, already
overworked. He did not, however, oppose the motion.
Lord STANLEY said, if the motion was pressed to a
division be should vote for it. The motion only called for
en inquiry • a primi feels CYO had been made out for an
inquiry, ad be could testify that a stroeg feeling on the
subject existed among the mercantile community. He
w' Mr. Politer bad enlarged hie motion so as to corn.
prebend the whole machinery of the Board of Trade.
After some remarks by Mr. Balsas and Mr. Bass,
Mr. HENLEY mid it was very desirable that the sub-
ject should be inquired into ; the question, difficult ee it
was, should be looked into, and he was not without hope
that the system might be amended, sad some arnagemest
made more satisfactory to the mercantile community.
Mr. NEWDEGATE dwelt epos the sufferisge isflicted
upon our silk manufactures by the French treaty.
Mr. N. GIBSON, observing that there was no objection
on the part of the governmest to the appointment of a
committee, notified a remark of Mr. Healey upon what he
had supposed to be • divided reepoesibility betwees the
Foreign-office and the Baud of Trade, which seemed, he
said, to imply that there ought to be blame departmest I
far all the taaoticas at the goveramest. Timm wee la

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reality no divided responsibility. He oleo medicated the
coarse pursued by the government of this country in the
commercial negotiations with foreign powers.
Mr. COBDKN corrected the misapprehension which, he
mid, existed es to the objects of our commercial policy, the
toward of which was to be found I. its saucer, as shown by
the Chancellor of the Bacibegner. The question was
whether, irrespective of commercial treaties, it could not be
possible for the government to diffuse fres trade primriPles
among other countries, which would be a legitimate course
of acUon. But we had two departments couneeted with
this opseutioe, and the object of the motion was to devise
means whereby the Foreign-office could be inspired with
the spirit which actuated the Board of Trade, and an appro.
datioe of true commercial principles.
After a few observations by M.r. Bastxr, the maim of
Mr. Forster was agreed to.

CRIME Di IRELAND.
Mr. WHITESIDE moved for copies of the lists of all
indictable offences laid before the judges at the late assizes
for the counties of 110•0001111011, Cavan, Loo ford, Limerick.
and Westmeath; the names of the parties made amenable,
and the officees for widish they were severally indicted ;
and asked for an exploration of the cameo why so INTO •
of undetected Cline/ prevails in the said corm-
=P?ed on
course the government meant to adept in
eider to Wes the same. He reed remarks of the judges,
sad semammied upon the apparent failure of justice, sot•
whin what might be among the muses.
sir PEEL said he was reedy to give the retinue
awed for, sad, with regard to the questions asked he
gave the desired explanation, replyieg, as he
trooesded, to
the oomments of Mr. Whiteside, and allowing e
nese of parties suffering from violence ad injure to
assist justice. A van improvement, he observol; had
taken sloe in the feelisgs and character of the people in
u , and if irritating muses ceased to agitate them,
there would be. year by year, • sensible diminution of
mime in the country.
The droussion—as to the amount of crime in Ireland,

the micro of the off the wamber undetected, and the
causes of their nom d,Mdioa, which ease members attai-
buted to the inefficieacy of the coustabulary as a detective
pam owing to their military orgenieation—wu ioutinued
by Mr. McMahon, the O'Cooor Doe. Lord C. Hamilton, Mr.
O'Reilly. Mr. Bagwell, and Mr. O'Hagan.
Lord PALMERSTON interposed • ingestion that •
very important subject stood for coceideration that even-
ing—namely, the Sugar Duties—sod that it was then past
10 o'clock.

Afier—;iime pointed remarks by Mr. 083081411, the motion
was withdrawn.
THE SUGAR DUTTES.
On the motion for sonfirmiag the resolution of the go-
vernment, speed to in committee of ways and means,

' Mr. ORAit'PORD moved the follovriog amendment:—
" That it is not possible for the oaken of the CUMOO2II to
amertain by inspection the quail% of crystallisable samba-
doe matter contained in any ME of sugar. and that a law
which seek. to effect such an object is unjust to the pro.
duaer. inasmuch as by striking with • superior duty owe
pound of sugar which by • better mode of manufacture too-
th= more malaria* matter than another pound obtained
from the same raw material, it inflicts direct discourage-
ment on t; whilst at the same time it excludes
large quail ties of fine sugars from the market, sod thereby
injures both consumers sod the revenue by limiting the
supply." Mr. Stuart Mill entirely bore oat the view he
had expressed, that • differential scale of taxation was
injurious to the osessmer as wales the to manufacturer. It
had been argued that no system amid be fairer for all
parties than that where no duty wee charged at all, that the
manufacturer of refined saw would then send his commodity
to market on equal terms with the maker of sugar
of inferior qualities, whereas by • differential
duty a direct thooangerneet was given to the latter against
the former.

ifi.l7CriTER had served upon the committee which sat
alms ;hie enbjeet Iwo years ago. He believed the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer would soon recoup himself for
the whole of the reductieu he had made. 1 o °preclusion he
begged to mooed the motion of his hon. friend.
Mr. J. B. SMITH moved the adjournment of she debate.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CARDWELL said he hoped to satisfy Mr. Crawford
that the three proposilkons contaised in his resolution wee*
oot, collectively or separately, worthy the adoption of the
hones. He insisted that the officers of the Customs would
bees competent as the trade to test the quantity of sac-
charine matter in a sample of sugar ; that experience
had shown that a graduated lade of duties was lot inju-
rious to the producer, nor a dimenagement to improve.
meets ; mid that the statistics of the wow trade proved
that the stale bad tug limited the supply. On the other
hand, be showed that a uniform duty would operate unfairly
upon sugars of differeat qualities, and the governeemit
was of opinion that the principles of free trade would be
beet tarried into effect by a system of clarified duties on the
article of auger, which would be fair and just to high,
medium. and low sugars. There were interests that might
be benefited by a uniform duty ; bat the greet interest of
the consumers in this country sad the doctrine of fres-
trade were in favour of a graduated scale.
Mr. J. B. SMITH asked whether, if be abstained from
movies the adjournment of the debate, the Chancellor of
the Exchequer would bring the bill on for discuesioo at an
early hour on another mooing, so that an opiaion might be
expremed on hisamendinent, via., that the present proposed
scale of duties should only be in farce for one year. This
important matter should not be disposed of in a summary
manner. (Hear, bear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said—At
that hour (Dearly one o'clock) it would not be fair to expect
hie boo. (rimed to praised with his amendment, and es he
thoutbt his proposal a fair am he would take care that the
bill should be brought on early enough for a full discussiou
of the principle prepaid.
Mr. CRAWFORD explained that he had not now, and never
bad, any personal interest in the manufacture of sags; toed
that when his partner gave his evidence before the select
committee he had not, nor had he now, an interest in the
manufacture of sugar.

Mr, CARDWELL said hi thought he bad not Lid any
street on the point.

The house then divided—
For the amendment l7
Against it
The result was reoetred with some cheers and laughter.
The report of ways sad means was then agreed to.
DUTY ON FIRM INSURANCES.

Mr. HINKEY Enquired when it was proposed that
the alteration in the duty os insuranos on stock is trade
should take effect.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that is
he understood the 14 of July would be an icoonvesiect
day for the purpose refined to, he cropresl that the alters-
Lion should take effect from the 24th of June. There wee
an ►pprehension that the new rate on policies wociLl require
sew and ssparaie policies to be made co stocks is trade.
There would be no necessity for any such aspirate policy.

WAYS AND MEAN&
The house then went into committee of ways and
and basin agreed to the *IOW ditty on sugar to b=
in brewing. resumed.

COMMON LAW PROCEDURE (IRELAND) ACT
(1853) AMENDMENT BILL.

This bill, as amended, was considered, and ordered for
third reading.
COPYRIGHT (No. 2) BILL

This bill was road a nomad time, ad referred to a salad
comenittisa

THE CONSOLIDATED FUND (E 15,000,000) BILL.

Ibis bill was also reed a mood tlaa
The home adjourned an balf-past 1 o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

NEWMARKET CRAVEN MEETING.

FRIDAY.

Ths concluding day's sport at the Craven yes an im-
provement upon the general character of the racing
on the wind up of the first meeting at Newmarket. The
Name magnificent weather continued, sod the first of the
seven items being run on the July course beyond the dip,
necessitated an early departure, esposially as the
Plato was appointed for 11.35, Usually this race has= a
fatal one for backer', who bigotedly found an animal upon
whom extravagant odds were laid, as. for instance, Carbineer.
Lost spring was as exception to the role, Asteroid landing
the long odds of 8 to 1 laid on hint, whilst Win-
grave's success on the present occasios will give "the
talent" more nudidenos for this long race which has
now been won by Wells twice in summon.
The baker's dozen for the Handicap Plata pro-
duced a hot favourite in the Newmarket horse Antoinette,
who won, after a capital struggle with Chip of the Old
Block. The Port Stakes brought out a quartette, who,
though not animals with first-class diplomas, have various
times distinguished themselves, the winner, a oelt by King
Tons out of Giraffe, having late in last session defeated Oar-
nivel. lo the succeeding two races the "dark bine and
yellow cap" of Baron Rothschild wore carried in the vas,
and after War Dance bad walked over for the 25 sows.
sweepstakes another of " the Baron's" animals, was made
favourite for the last event, and was only beaten a bead
from Hurrah. Full details of the running are appended :
TEE QuEls's PLATE of 100 guineas, for 3.yr-olds and
upwarde. R.C. (3 miles 4 furlongs 139 yards.)
Baron liatbschtld'e Wiapave. by Lag Toin—The In-
curable, 6 yrs, lOst sib (Wells) 1
Br. devils's Harlequin, 6 yrs. last sib Watehposiel 2
The following also ran :—Barchettlaa. The Bann", Tearant.
and Whitebait. _ _

Betting :6 to 4 apt Wiogravo, 9 to 4 and Hatiegaia,
aa4 7 to 1 bar two.

A IiaIIDICAY PLATE of 50 move., for 3.yr.olds sod up-
words. Now T.Y.C. (5 ferloop 136 ►side.)
Mr. H. Joices Antoinette, by Chevalier d'iodurtrle—
Llsde,lm, tit 21b (J. Oriznahay9 1

General Shirley's Chip of the Old Block, 3 ire, let 7lb
{Mardi) 2
Yr. T. Bugheis Bosh. 6 yr% rat 13Ih . . (T. French) 3
The following also ran :—Peirmoir. lady Abbess, Mak
Disappointment, Prescription. Aties. Begina Pract=

Betting : 6 to 4 apt datobiet 7 to 1 apt Praetitioner,
10 to 1 each apt Rigolboohe and ' alaseet, 11 to 1
each apt Lady Abbess aad Book, 100 to 6 apt Chip el tho
Old Block, and 20 to 1 each apt Atka aed Pros:winnow
TMI Pon ewes, • 'seaplane at 100 eays. each, k ft,

for 4-yr-chla ; colts, Bst 10Ib ; Mike, Bst TAX
(1 mile 7 far. 158 yard.). (U sus.)
Baron Rottechild's cb c by Lag Towi—Girafte, Bat 101 b
Wells i
Count P. de Laura Jarmicoton, Bit 10lb.. . (Edwards
OreviSes AnAeld. lelb (ll:Gnmabsw) $
lialresa also ran.
Betting: 2 to 1 on the Giraffe colt, and 3to 1 agst Se.
field. Attar the race 1,000 to 10 waa laid apt Anneld icr
the Chaster Cap.
Tan Biumnaros anus of 50 eon each, h ft, fur 3-yr.
olds oolta, Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 21b ; certain allowunc.
D.Y.. (7 farloop 210pards). (12 subs.)
Bum Rolbschild's Tomato. by King Tom—Mincentest,
Mrlatb kr. Wel, I
Privateer. SAM ( annum( 3
Mr. IterryaCrial!, rat tub • .lay^ aryl3

Ifottini: 5 to 4agst Tomato, and 6to 4 aatCrisia.
A HAnnioni SAMSTLIZIS of 10 nom each, h ft, for tiro
and Syr-old.. Bratby Stakes Cowie (atz furlongs). (7
sobs.)
Baron Rothschlld's Amber, by Clog Tons—Yleah-of.Llitht.
dug, 2 yrs. Gut 10ib ;J. Looter, 1
Count F. de Lagrange. Zoom.. .111210 C, 2 yrs, yst ;th
(Bunter) 2
_ li:e2r3l 3

Mr Pram's Marroar, 3 yrs, MS

The following also rei:=PreaUtlooer met Crippkgaii.
Itetliag : 9 to 4 apt Amber, 100 to 30 opt Zouale
leak, sad Cripplopie, 6to 1 apt Practitioeer, awl o to 1
apt Flower.

_
A HwTMOTATTS of 25 son. each, 10 ft, for 3.yr-ola ;
oohs, Bst 1216 ; ems., 8.1 81b ; maiden allowanms, sad
winners extra. B.IL (1 mile and 17 yards.)
Mr. Bowers War Canoe, by Fandango—Victoria, Sit 611)
all:met, w.n.
A PLATT of 50i. for 2;yr and tree- (M
-yr-olds ; the maces
to be sold for 500 son.; tt for 100 sova. 'Mowed 91b ; if out
for ado to carry 51b extra. T.Y.C. (5 (wimp 140 yards.)
Mr. Alexander's Hurrah, by Newminster—forzal, 2 yrs
(11811.), ast 12Ib Grimituw,
Baron li.othsehlles rester to Breeze, 2 yrs, Oat 1210 ,me.
61b ea.) Roam .2
Lard Westmoreland's Wicket, 1 yrs (ION), est 110
(Carre 3
The following also ran :—TomAshworth, General Leneull, rt,(.
Whisky, La llextesdn, and Corsica.
Batting : 9 to 4 apt Sister to Breeze, 9 to 2 apt Hama,
8 to 1 each apt Wicket sad Tom Ashworth.
LATIN' BKITINO.
TWO THOUSAND.
100 to 10 apt Mlle de tit (off, WO to apt Planet .t and of,
t to 1) 1110 to 6 Copenhagen oft,
7to 1 iiir lager (t =doff) 00 to 1 Masser Richard et)
Bto 1 General Peel (tHotti 20 to 1 Bollyfon off,
10 to 1 Plnt Might (4 26 to 1 Pans It and etf,
10 to 1 illstorlan (00)
6 to 1 apt Lord Glasgew's lot (t)
CHM= CUP.
_ _ _ _ .

j 9 to 1 sot Change (t and oir lila 1 gst blueralo 3-
E4O to 40 Little Stag (t) 25 to 1 Lord Zetlaa4 off)
10010 0— Gordian Loot (oft, 1040 to 16 Yams .olli
Al tot tt) 1000 to 10 AalSeld (A
10 to 1 agat . Day' 4 lot (t;.

DILLY.

7to 1 apt Scottish Cl;lee 20 to 1 opt Phut Right A)
(oe)Barra/rah tilt,
13 to 1 Coast Guard (t 23 to 1 General
and off) lt end eg)
14 to 1 Cantbascan (I 40 to 1 Parts t and ott)
and off) 40 to 1 Ackworth t
IS to 1 Iffrahlirooni,ofn 60 to 1 Blair Athol MG
Su to 1 Prince Anther 1000 to 15 Planet Ai

DUBY, 1b65.

WOO $o 100 oast I 1 (t) SV,OOO to 100 apt Wirertrtum
1000 to 16 IC Plasiageost (t) I cult ,t)
000 to POO opt Oppressor (talon)

BETTING AT MANCHESTER-FRIDAY.

TWO THOCSAND.

atel oo the Seld off) 1000 to loop& Gement Peel ($
I sot Ur torte (adt) sod oft)
le to 1 Illstoden (a) Uto I Copeehagee
_ _ le to 1 Usateeltleberttsi

cHseria

8 to 1 apt Change Tat t ii 100001c; I agst ltnecdn t;
to D 1000 to 6 The Clown 'O6)
11 to 1 MU* Stag (of 20 to 1 Accident w
100 to 7 bossy LilittA 1 11 to 1 Oldminster t)
100 to 7 lord 100 to 3 113 !la's og. $
Ott t 100 to 8, 40 to I)
DERBY.
6to 1 Not Scottish Chief 1 40 to 1 apt Copenhagen
tOO.
20 to 1 sgst First 41114 (t)