The Express.
London, England, 1864-10-29 00:00:00

II; THZ

LOIDON RAILWAY

THE TRIAL OF HULLER.
(11118 DAY.)

The proceedings were resumed this morning at
9 o'clock, and se it was known that evidence wee to be d•
dosed on behalf of the prisoner, a groat deal of addi►ional
interest appeared to be exalted.

The jury having take. their places in tb box, the learned
judges, the Lord Chief Baron and Mr. Baron Martin, coma
into court, and the trial wee then resumed.
The prisoner appeared to be u calm es .anal.
EVIDENCE FOR THE DEFENCE.

Mr. Thomas Lee rid—l live in King Edward's-row, Hack-
ney. lam a private gentleman. I knew the late Mr. Briggs.
I had known him three or four years. I last eaw him on
the 9th of July, at Bow station. He was fa a first-
class earriege. That was about 10 &clock. The train was
earning from Fenchureb-street and it stopped at Bow
station. I sew kin in • first-elar oarriage. I did not
notice how close to the engine the carriage was. Three or
four away I think. I said " Good night Mr. Briggs," and he
answered me and said " Good night, Tom." The train
stopped rather longer than usual that night. I got into a
seoond•claw carriage to go to Hackney. There were two
persona in the oompartinent with Mr. Briggs. There was a
light in the carriage. I believe Mr. Brigp had his hat on,
otherwise I think I should have noticed it. One of the men
was sitting opposite to Mr. Briggs, and the other was
sitting on Mr. Briggs' left hand side, on the same side of the
carriage. I saw sallcient of the man to give a
description of them—one in particsilar. He was • stout,
thickset mum, with light whiskers. He had one hand in
the loop of the carriage, and I notioed he had • large hand.
The other appeared to be • tall, dark man.
To the best of your belief, is the prisoner one of those
men can't swear to him. I should rather think not.

The persons In the carriage did not appear to have any
intention of leaving the carriage. I gave information to
the police. I first gave informition nearly as loon as I heard
of the murder. I spoke to a friend first. I was examined
before the coroner, and the deposition is what I stated at
the time. The coroner told me to be present. I gave my evi-
dence first to Superintendent Howie.
Cross.examined by Sir R. P. Collier—l was not before the
magistrate. I live about twenty minutes' walk from
Hackney station.

How came you to go to Bow!—For a cheese.
Was that roar only object!—Yea. I think I left my
house about 8 o'clock. I walked up Hackney a little way
before I want to my house.
What did you walk up Hackney for!—Amusement. I
think it wee the quarter to 9 train I left Hackney by. I
went to Bow.

What did you do at Bow !—I took • stroll to Bow
Church.

Wu that you object in going to Bow fore stroll'—l
went to Bow for • .trop. I went to a house it Bow. I
behoove I did not go to more than one house ►t Bow. I be-
lieve I did not-1 cannot swear it.

Was that your only object in going to Bow, for a stroll
—I only went for amusement.

Yon don't remember seeing anybody you knew exoep
Mr. Briggs believe not. I cannot go beyond my belief
I know it was that Saturday night, beasusta heard of the
murder on the Monday. I don't know what time it was—
about the middle of the day. I don't know where I heard
of it ; it might have been at Mr. Ireland's, in Fetterlane,
or at Mr. Lake's, io Cheapalde. lam not certain at which
place I dined. I live in the immediate neighbourhood. I
am positive I did not hear of it on Sunday. I believe I
beard of it on Monday. It might have been Tuesday.
Will you swear it was Monde, ?—I cannot swear on which
day I heard it. I say I believe it was Monday.
Ton saw Mr. Brim a few minutes before the murder.
Why did you not at first inform the police of it!—Because
I did not wish to be brought in, and did not consider my
evidence was material. I adhere to that answer. I did not
sea there was any need.
That answer you persist in °—Yes.
I &nit mentioned that I had seen the two men in the car-
riage ton friend of mine, Mr. Toinkins. I think it was
Monday night. I cannot swear to what lam not certain
about. Mr. Tomkine is a doctor. Hot my doctor. I told
Mrs. Lee. I told ber mit, I believe. Then, I think, 1
spoke about it to Mr. Ireland. These facts did not strike
me at the time, u I did not know I should be wanted. I
think I told Mr. Ireland on the Tuesday. I believe the
neat was Mr. Howie, the superintendent of police. I
did not go to him. He came to me in consequence of what
I bad been talking about.
Bo that lam to take it, you having seen two men in the
carriage with Mr. Briggs on the night of the murder, and
knowing he wan murdered, did not give information until •
week after !—Juat so. I should not have given the infor-
mation if I had not been applied to. I did not want to be
bothered.

Did you think it a bother to give evidence for your own
friend who had been murdered!-1-es, I did.
I gave the same evidence before the coroner. I don't re-
member who wee the ticket collector on that night. When
I first saw Mr. Brigp the carriage wee stopping. It had
not stopped. I got into my carrier immediately after I bade
him good night. I have been it. Mr. Brigp's company •
good many times. I have dined with him. I never
took • meal with him. I have met him in the City, and
have frequently ridden with him in the carriage. He wee
in the habit of calling me Tom latterly. 1 swear he called
me Tom on that night. I got into the next carriage. I got
out at Hackney. I did not observe any commotion in
Mr. Briggs's carriage. I heard nothing of anything extra•
ordinary having occurred in the carriage next to me.
Re-examined by &desist Parry—Hackney is not far from
Hackney Wick. lam able to swear that I heard of the
murder either on the Monday or Tuesday. Oa the following
Sudsy, Mr. Superintendent Howie called upon MO, and I
gave him the ume account I have given to-day. I have, '
I believe, always given the LIMO account. I was examined
twice before the coroner. I afterwards went to Bow sta-
tion. I was told to go by Mr. Howie. I went to identify
Muller, and when I could not I was not called. I could
not identify him. I have never 11013 n or beard of Muller
before the murder. I have known Mr. Briggs two or three
years. He was • man of affable disposition. He generally
need to sleep in the railway carriage. When I arrived at
Hackney I left the station just as an ordinary passenger,
and went away.

One of the jery—When Mr. Briggs used to sleep did be
have his bat oo or off ?—lie had it oa.

George Bryon examined by Mr. Bosley—l am a better by
buds. I have been in the trade from a boy, and am acquainted
with all the branches of the trade—the second-band trade
particularly. In the second-hand trade it is usual with me
and others to alter second-hand bats by stitching them when
they have been cat down. The hat produced (said to be
Mr. Briggs's) is done as I should have does it. I should
have done it with dissolved shellac as well as sewing it.
Not cross-examined.

By the court—l should stitch and then lutes it with
shellac, independently of stitching I would do it that way.
That is the usual way to do it io the trade.
By cue of the Jury—lt :night have been done as this is
done if it were done in a hurrv. It would have been stitched
in this way. To gum it independently of the sewing, to
make a good job of it, would probably take half an hoar.
Should cut the lining down as well ?—1 should take
the loather out, sod if I had a job of that east I should
pots new leather is.

William Lee, examined by Satiate t Parry—l am a batter.
I have been six or seven years in the trade. It is ► MUM*
thing in the second-hand trade, after cutting down bats,
to stitch them. I always do. The object is cutting down
is that the hats are worn lower now. There is another pro.
was besides stitching. Varnish is used. (Mr. Briggs's hat
produced.) I have done a great many hate in the same
way as this is dose myself. If the hat had been cut down
by me, I would put in the old lining. It is cheaper to sew the
hat, because we have to buy the shellso. I have never seen
this hat before.

Serjeant liallantio•—Look at the liaise of the hat—is it
cut as you would hare cut it!—lt has certainly been eat,
but I dust know why it ham bees cwt.

Re•esamined by ti;rjeant Parry—As regards the stitching
to this hat I have done many myself in a similar manner.
By a Juror—lt is done es I should have done it. I
should not have put so many stitches in it. It is cut down
rather lower than ►ats are now wore.
Alfred Cooper Woodward—l am clerk la the Sheltie
Intercational Telegraph Office. The District Telegraph
Coropecy are le coanaziou, but a distinct company. I
have the withal of t►e telegram produced. (Telegram pat la
by sosessl for lb. picrepatios, sad parpoetieg to soon ken

_ OCTOBER 29, ISel.

• poem named Shin to Mies Eldred, in the Vamall-rod,
(hunberwell, *Wog thee he would be with her ea the
Sunday.) That I have is an exact copy of the cos pro-
' duced, dated the 9th J•ly, '154, and was given in at the
illinclag-lane antes at ballad 4, and was mat at twenty-
Ikwe minutes to 5.
glisabeth Jonas said—l reside at No. 1, George's-road,
Peckham. Ido not know how far it is from Camber-
wall-gate. I lived in July lest at 1, Stanley-cottage,
Jamey-street, Fenian-road, Camberwell. I have two
female lodgers—young women who receive the visits of
men. I had a young woman living with me. She is living
with me still. Her name is Mary Ann Eldred. She has
lived with me 14 months. I know the prisoner at the bar.
He had been in the habit of coming to see the girl Eldred.
He visited her for about nine or ten mouths.
She knew him before she lived with me. I
remember Mary Ann Eldred receiving the telegram
produced. It was received some time in the after-
noon. I don't know what time. I remember seeing Muller
on the 9th July, the date of that telegram. It was about
half-past 9 o'clock in the evening. At that time Mary Ann
Eldred was not at home. She went out about 9. He called
to see her, and found she was not at home. She had been
out about half an hoar. He stayed about five or
ten minutes talking. I am quite sure it win
about hall-pent 9. He left then. I am quite
cure he was there on the night I received the telegram. I
knew him by the name of Miller. I used to call him the
Frenchman, but Eldred said he was a Gorman. He had on
*slipper. He told me he was obliged to come up in a
slipper, es he had had an sondemt and hurt his foot. I next
saw Mary Ann Eldred. I made a communication to her
and also to my husband. (It was ruled that Serjeant Parry
could not elicit what winter said to her.) I should say it
was more than half a mile to Camberwell-green from my
house.

Cromr-examined by Serjeant Ballantlne—Miss Eldred is
here. I have moved since that time. lam dill living in
the same name. I don't know whether my husband his
taken the house in the name of Kent or Joao. My hus-
band's name in Kent. I have been called Jones many years.
He is my second husband. A person wanting to go to
King William-street by omnibus would go from the Varian-
road towards Camberwell-gate. That would take a quarter
of an hour or twenty minutes. The omnibuses from Peck-
ham peas the Lord Nelson. The Peckham and Camberwell
omnibuses both go over London-bridge. I took the
telegram in from the messenger. I had to sign for it, I be-
Love. I don't remember ; it is so long ago. I only recoL
lect it earning on that day. I took it up to Eldred directly
I received it. I generally dine about lor 2, not later than 2.
It came after dinner. I don't recollect how long after dinner.
I know it was the 9th by what Mire Eldred told me. Muller
came about half-peat 9, half an boar after Miss Eldred went
out. I know what time she went oat, because she asked
me the time before she went out. I looked at the
clock and told her 9 o'clock. It is seven or eight
weeks ago that anyone called on me to ask about it. A
German gentleman and soother gentleman came. I don't
know how long it was after Muller called. It was some
weeks after I bad seen Muller. She bad heard at that time
that Muller was suspected. I did not know it was the man
we knew as Muller until the German gentleman came. Miss
Eldred had the telegram in her box. Miss Eldredremembered
having the telegram on the same day that the murder was
committed. Eldred bad no idea—not for some time—that
the Muller was the man she knew. She fancied from the
description given that he was the same. She said she
recollected having a telegram on the day Muller last came,
and she looked for it and found it. That was only two or
three weeks ago. She did not think of it before. I re-
member that the telegram was received on the last
day Muller called. The German gentleman was not told
about the telegram the tint time he came. I did not
think of it at the time. It might be three weeks ago that
Eldred and I had any conversation about the telegram. She
remembered she had a telegram the same night that he
called the last time, and she said she could tell by that
the date on which he called. My husband gave it to the
German gentleman. I think it was a fortnight come Toes.
day. Miss Eldred generally want' to know the time before
she goes out.
Re-examined—We knew that Moller called on the Satur-
day before the Tuesday we heard of the murder, and that
telegram fixes the date.
One of the jury—Had be a bat or cap on 7—A hat.
Mary Anne Eldred said—l lived in July last in Lent.
street in the Borough. I now live in Peckham. Before I
went to live in the Borough I lived in laliogton. I have
lived in Camberwell with the same landlady I live
with now, at Stanley Cottage, in James-street. I was
living there in July last. I have known Muller 12 months.
I was often in the habit of seeing him. I remember
receiving the telegram produced. On the Saturday before
I received the telegram I met him in Old Jewry,
Chespeide. On the day I received this telegram I went out
at 9 o'clock, and did not rehire until 12. I saw my landlady
the next rooming. lam sure I went out at 9. I generally
went out at 9. He did not call before I went out. I knew
of his going abroad several weeks before he went. He asked
me to go with him. He said be was going to see his sister,
and if I did net go with him he would only remain six
months. I don't remember telling anyone of his having
called. I was told some German gentleman bad called. I
have sells Mr. Beard. I think I gave the telegram op two
or three days ago.

Orose-ermined-1 saw Mr. Beard a few days ego. It
ia not so loag as a month same I saw Mr. Beard first I
don't remember bow bog after I had seen Muller that I
spoke about it. I taw two gentlemen at Mrs. Jones's three
or four weeks ago. I did not give the telegram then. I
did not know that I had it, natil I looked over my
letters. I first found it a few days ago. Until that
time my attention had not bean drawn to the date.
Muller came to see me. I remembered going out from
home that night, because I received the telegram. I don't
koow what time I received it. I don't think I dined until
after 4 that day. I might have breektaated at 10 or 11. I
' get up often at 11. I went to bed much after 12. I think
half•past 1. I am positive I went out at 9. I went out
every night at that time. I remember so well the land-
lady telling me that Moller called in the evening. I know
I went out at 9 because of the telegram. I don't know what
that has to do with it.

A juror—Wen you ie the habit ul seeing Mallet's het ?
—No, I have not ootioed it.

Mr. Thomas Beard, solicitor, said—l bare omplacted the
&Noce of the prisoner, instructed by the Genoa. Society.
I have heard Miffs'. (+sidearm. Heard him say that whets
Muller left him at Bon the Satardsy be told him be wee
going to ace his sweetheart, Milli Eldred, at esmberwell.
Haifa made that statement to me before Muller arrived
from America, and I instructed one of my clerks to make
inquiries, and he brought the result to me. The teletrani
was first handed to me twelve or (Nutrias days ago. lam
not quite sure.

Cross-examieed—lt was under my jadanneet that neither
of there 1/itemises were called before the magistrate or the
COCOON'.

Charles Foreman said—l am omnibus eel:Quota. to Mr.
Barwick, Camberwell-g►te. My omnibus runs from
Peckham Rye, rip the Camberwell-read, through the gate,
and so to the City. There are other omnibuses sterile%
frost New Peckham that go part the Lord Nelson to
the Heot•road. My omnibus Marta from Camberwell gate
about five minutest* 10 of a night. I leave on my previous
journey at 7 o'clock. From Camberwell-green to Camber-
mallets is about a quarter of a mile, sod from the Yuma-
n:ad to Camberwell-green is about s quarter of a mile. The
Vsmal•rad is at the other sad of the Camberwell-road. I
recollect having a gentleman riding ia my omnibus oue
night. It was the Let journey, sad he got in at
Camberwell-gate. I could not fix any Mate. I don't know
how long ego. It was is the rummer. I can-
not tell the day of the week. My attention wee not called
to it until five weeks ego. The ma appeared to be lame.
To the best of my belief it was a carpet slipper. I remarked
to him be bad a tom* of my oomplaint—the gout. He
Last rather heavily on my shoulder. He had light hair.
This was the ease for the defame.

The Bolicitor-Geormil they proceeded to reply. He said it
gave him great eatidaetion to lad that the prisoner had
been so ably amisted. If he had been undefesded mow
thing might have bees omitted which would have Imes is
his favour. As it no, every circumstance that would be
adduced to his interest bad been laid before them. The
crows mold have no interest is prosecutiog the pri.
non, but it was his duty ea the part of the
crown, who are the awhile, to me the *videos*
was rightly appreciated. His liaised friend bed dwelt upon
probabilities. It wee important that they should bear is
mind not merely facts bat probabilities. therefore ►is Inroad
friend was only right ; but ha blamed him for having dose
so in his inning speech. He would mil the attention of
the jury to some of the facts. The first and stain fact was
"Aye" or " Nre—wea that bat found is the railway
carriage the bat of Muller. If it wen his bat worn by him
of that night, what followed but that Muller was is that