The Express.
London, England, 1863-04-24 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, APRIL 24, 1863.

all rights of the to carry on tbeir trade. (Hear, hear). That permit was
, Earl RUSSELL disclaimed auv such iutention, anal stated ' applied to the Anteroom milldam for a permit to allow them ,
that Mr. Seward had himself abandoned .
carried out arms to Mexico, to be need sedan our ally of
HOUSE OF LORDS.— bah
APRIL 23. comewedere.
met in the instructions he had issued to the American naval granted; and why •. Because the ship was laden with and
The Lotus Czar:mum took his oest se the woolsack The Earl of DERBY complained of the conduct of the Frau,. Sias then other men calling themeolvee English
at five o'clock. instead of withdrawing the merchanta applied to the same authority for the same permit i
PETMONS PRESENTED• time to have arms to aid the Mexican government. Ta per
bad ;
rnemaileraemmar'thaDde seaaa4Quectbn:4they ought to have initiated un They have been refused because they were
hatnaing out ,
The Earl of siburrsoußy presented a number of thpreeieridtmtemrnwvirdeffecisthaaler,protecand attionthefrommetheggremioes been refused ; and now I would say that Mr. Adams, the '
American minister, is the Minister for Commerce in Eng-
"titions "Pan"
the
sale
of
iatalicallagNam on S of Admiral Wilkes arid the Federal cruisers.
(Hear, hear.) Now I would put it to the noble
British vowels trading to neutral par
edittreaecTfaididaaaseeta wrath beds petitions, the purport Earl GREY did not think it eras just or reasonable that laud.
nd in so doing at lord, who ha. hitherto shown himself alive to the dignity
- ta,
ash Id be de, rived and honour of Enelated. and I would ask him wbetber the
ALKALI WORKS REGULATION BILL
The bones went into committee on this bill, the various olifbeandyYeletliFforeeecievuries.tE. niteHrar;ll..eaffjeseredty's,
hgoyouvfehrnemoen.t.Peconuoldf government
14..uix.0.f
obwrchmoohteeris.
sodthe bead has
comie. toto any y deter:
Manna of which, with some alterations, were agreed to.
OFFICE OF SECRETARY-AT-WAR ABOLITIONof the act
mot
trading with sunspected porta, hut they ought to mination whether he will ll parliament now what that
tags care that the rights allowed to belligerents were not determination is. Sir, I know the
lead consequences
sir,
BILL. wantonly or aggressively enforced. he may resolve upon. It may war ; and I, i
Earl DE GREY and RIPON, in moving the second reed- Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY said that the Sea speaking be for the English people, say lam prepared for
That language may strike the heart of the ,
lag of this bill, said that its object was to bring the law in Queen was in a different position to that of a mail steamer. war. (Oh, oh
peace party in this house, but it win strike the heart of the
conformity with the preterit practice, to abolish the office Lord WODEHOLYSE • ed that merchant v mil-
hi nase2s nit.spr.peledot o govern
.h. Ahm.tear
ano.dwd,
igannidty wef shall
of secrete, v-at-War, and to treader the duties be per- to to a neutral port oughnot to bedquestAione.:lricoby Fedepled
formed to the Secretary of State for War. cruisers. In the present temper the m n peo e
The bill was then read emceed time. government could only preserve peace by. actin Arty
helansil.,hi.cand...th.ehecom.mhearimarce.gof
dlishicomuhmantry.dwillinsonolel.ocengeorf ;
though calmly, sod, while not abating oat jot of their o
DRAINAGE OF LAND (IRELAND) BILL. rights, reepecting the rights of others. an upstart race like that. (Hear, bear.) I repeat the eines. 1
Upou the ceder of the day for the third reading of thin Earl GItANVILLE contended that the government bad lion now, whether the government of which the noble lord 1
hill being
Earl GRANVILLE said that he had heard from Ireland imperfect in- the con u
acted prudently and consistently under very delicate theism- is the lideadabotaveAfdoolid
Wanilyodoeste, rmanidnatwiohnethwierth
theyep Moore
stances, and deprecated angry discussions on
f ed dte 'eation to make remonstrances to the
orm any 0 nie
that the solicitor to the Board of Works bed prepared a bill forreatiee.
upon this subject, and therefore he would suggest the Post- The subject then dropped, and their lordships adjourned gtoovoetornoomoyenhtooofthaAom:orioca,m
ofanpdroceif so,o whether he is prepared
poroaroent of the present measure. at a quarter put eight o'clock. Lord PALMERSTON—The house will see and eau.
The bill was accordiogly postpmed. stand from that which has fallen from my hon. and learned
LOCAL GOVERNME.NT ACT (1858) AMENDMENT HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TritraerthY, APRIL 23. friend that the matter to which the qnestioe relates kneel
BILL. The Stamm took the chair at 4 o'clock. , the gravest possible importance. All I can say is that it is
This bell pawed through committee. NEW MEMBER. receiving due consideration en the part of her Majesty's
DOCKYARDS PROTECTION ACT AMENDMENT but I
have
not prepared at pos to state what
L. BIL Lord F. FtrelOY took the oaths and his seat for Thetford. fferernments
result her Majesty's government ye come to.
The Duke of SOMERSET moved the second reading of PRIVATE BUSINESS. CRICKETING 1N BATTERSEA-PARK.
this bill. Its object was to amend the act of G eorge 111. The Staines and Woking Janctiou Railway Bill was read
• Mr. 00X asked the Chief Commissioner of Works whe-
respecting dockyards. It wan now proposed to give power a third time sod famed. ' ther any Orden bad lately been issued by him prohibiting
to make regulations as to steam vessels entering royal bar- METROPOLITAN POLICE. the public from playing at cricket in Battersea-park, and
hours, and it was also intended to compel vessels of • certain
size to have persona on board who should be responsible for Mr. COX gave notice that as Tuesday next be would
eve for returns connected with the employmeut of the of playing therein.
giving to the members of a cricket club the exclusive right
what took pine. Metropolitan police in Finsbury arid Clerkenwell. j Mr. COW PER said it had been his study to provide as
The bill was read a second time. , far as possible foe the amusement and recreation of the
SEIZURE OF BRITISH VESSELS BY FEDERAL PUBLIC PARES.
CRUISERS,
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that before their should risk the noble
Mr. ITIBBERT
_gave notice that on Monday
Hord at the head of the government
nett ha ' fraaria.the CiTavilaraServicebad baat`rickaaetiaCiarflubarabadaaasiliattließaaaeraeamore -sprat;
lordship' &dimmed be wished to ask the Secretary for whether the grant for public parks made in 1841 had been
SEIZURE OF BRITISH VESSELS.
Foreign Affairs two or three questions, of which he bad wholly expended, and, it 00, whether the government would i riven to them.
given him notice, upon a matter of the greatest importance. be prepared to recommend a farther grant ; and considering 1 Mr. BENTINCK rose to call the attention of her Me.
He meant the conduct of naval officers of the Northern the present state of the cotton districts,. whether the jesty's government to a statement in
.the_Oty_artiele of the
States of America in the West lodise and Mexican waters, government would afford facilities to corporations for taking TSIRGI newspaper of Friday, April 17, referring to the
seizure of British vessels by the cruisers of the Northern
which was apparently sanctioned by their government. He advantage of these mots.
Stated of America, and to move for papers on the subject
was well aware of the gravity of this subject, but he thought NEW WRIT. The hon. member for Sheffield had placed him in a some-
the circumstances which took place were so gross sad nee
post
rims to the world, and that they were of a character so . Oa the.
_motion of Mr. Blues ein.emarfwolt:ititwolthef.ffireet,
ii:nl,,.._t° what awkward lion. The hoe. ant learned member
t" most have seen his notice on the paper, bat he did not seem
deeply affecting some of behest interests, and indeed the be creed for the election or
00111 of Mr. Stanfield, who had accepted the office of one to be aware of the courtesies of the house which precluded
boeour of this country, that be did not think any time
a member from forestalling a motion by bringing it on in
should be allowed to elapse before it was made known to ofr her Majes' ty's Lords of the Admiralty.
the world that both bonne of parliament could not bear of BOTANIC GARDENS OF EDINBURGH. the shape of a questioa. But the boo. and learned gentle-
such transit:does without havingstrom feelinp on the matter. Mr. GREGORY gave notice that on going into committee man did not seem to be particularly careful to preserve a
He thought it best that it should be known what the Be- of supply on class 4of the civil service estimates tae should spotless character
Iteltiohre.o.
that
language.
Mr. E
fish people would not submit to. In the affair of the Treat move that the Royal Botanic Gardena of Edinburgh be
there was no great difficulty in coming to an arrangement opened to the public op Sundays after the boars of divine Mr. BENTINCK was perfectly ready to state the grounds.
when the feelings of the country were excited and it was service, as was the case, with all other botanical gardens sup- Mr. ROEBUCK—I do not want the boo. gentleman to
known that there was considerable activity in the Admiralty ported by parliamentary grants. (Hear.) Male the gremeds. I ries to order.
and military dopertnieute (Hear, bear.) He thought it INCOME TAX. The SPEAKER mid the words used by the hon. member
right that the government of the United States should be did not resat his ears.
called upon virtually to decide whether they did or did not Sir J. FERGUSSON wished to ask he Chancellor of the Mr. ROEBUCK—Then I will repeat the winds—" Thai
mean to go war with us, (Hear, bear.) He did Dot think Exchequer whether there was any intention of altering the the hon. gentleman had not been particularly careful to
they did. (Hem bear.) But so flagrant bad been existinginachieery by which the asagasment for the income prime a coupe which world preserves spotless character in
the outrages committed that the newspapers abroad be- tax is imposed; and, if not, whether that assessment would that hew...
lined that it was their intention to drive this country in future be made under all the schedules by the local The SPEAKER—The lion. gentleman would see that the
into a oar with them. Commodore Wilkes bad authorities? observation "that the hoe. and learned member bed
stated at the dinner at which he was entertained The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER apprehended dots something not consistent with character," was not
by ArliefiCell mercbauts when he was fresh from the glories that the question of the bon. baronet referred principally. wooer Isogusee for that house.
of the Trent affair. that be would lose no opportunity of is. if not ;merely, to Scotland. There were certain portions of ' M BENTINCK said if he had made any obiter-
salting the British flag or of injuring British property schedules C, I), and E, in which the ameesmeet, or as o vetion not consistent with the rules of the house,
wherever be might find it. If theme matters were allowed be special commissioners, and not by the local commis- he was the last person to persevere in it.
to go ea they had been ; if it were a fact that the govern- mown. There was no intention of altering the machinery If he had done anything unfair he should be perfectly ready,
meet did nut dare to and ship letters in their own mail by which the assessment was made. He should give full in the most public manner, to explain the grounds on which
bags into those seas ;if traders did not dare to venture, and notice whenever there was any lunation of altering the be had tined his remarks. (Haar, hear.)
inerehante were obliged to apply to foreign governments for machinery, and abould not propose any change unless be Mr. ROEBUCK-1 don't want to know them. (Laughter.)
'hips is order that their trade might be protected, Cuomo- bad • moral assurance of its meeung with general approval. Mr. BENTINCK— The hominid learned gentleman said be
dare Wilkes might set • broom at his mast heed and pro- HOLYHEAD PIER. did not wish to know them and in saying so he exercised •
claim that be had driven British ships and &iamb tradesound discretion. He was 'about to say when the interrup-
Colonel DUNNE wished to ask the Secretary to the Ad-away from that coast. nut was what was at the bottom of ndraity when the man,s ordered iie to the Holyhead Packet tion took piece that he was placed inn a position of some
it. They were determined to drive British skips Station, ad waiwepeadwww with the Dublin Steam packet difficulty by the conduct of the hon. n learned member,
•
away from that cont. The Shipping and Afercentriebecause he had foreetalled, to • certain extent, the per
aszett of that evening invited Meiotic(' to the Co..ruzertry would be laid upon the table of the house : and
anything would be dome, and when, to carry out Port of the answer which be (Mr. Bestinck) was anxious to
following adveresemeet, for the boast fides of which they w""obtain from the noble lord at the head of the government.
were in • condition to conch :—" Wanted, a Fritsch rased the promisi alterations ili Holyhead pier, for the purpose
The ground on which he proposed to put his question to
to load fora good English island in the West Indies. Apply of secl undue the safety of. the mail packets and the puma-
the noble lord was a statement which appeared
gen an ing from era .
to Kay and Co., shipbrokers, Pudding-lane, EC."
We bad - ?dr GIBBON said that the correspoodence was being pre- • short time since in the public press. The
come to this, then ;we were driven to apply for French - hon. gentleman then referred to the account which appeared
ships because Preach ships were protected while our own and would be soon ready. With regard to the pro- Russell
wised alterations in the pier, he was informed that as far In the daily papers of the deputation to Earl on the
were not. (Hear, bear.) This was a state of things that subject cant e capture of the Peterhoff on her voyage to
must lead to miens rent* and be should be glad if, upon aa the piles connected with the wooden jetty were concerned,
the points he had mentioood, his noble f, lend would be in a .
that work was completed. As to the structure on the Matamor
mtg. which was contemplated, that bad not been proceeded Mr.CRAW FORD said that as the boo. member bad
unditioo to give satiate...tory explanations. He had Ni, . mestiond the part which be had taken in reference to
greatest confidence in the schist earl and the noble lord at 'it but some substitute for it was under couarderattou.
the Peterhoff it would be expected that be they'd take
the head of the government, but these were things that PRISON MINISTERS BILL. part in the discussion. Be should be ready to do no under
parliament could not pass
.over in silence, and it would be In reply to Mr. Logo. proper circumstauces, ad at a proper time, but he entirely
for the goveroeneet to satisfy parliament and the country 184 G. GREY stated that as to-morrow evening would be deelintxl doing so at present—(hear, hear)—and for
that it would uphold the mercantile Interacts of the conotry, in all probability fully occupied with other bugloss, be two reasons. The first was, because of the very criti-
and, above all, that it would maintain the honour of the would penitence the committee on the Prison Ministers cal position in wheel; these transactions placed the
British grown. (Cheers) Bill tillThtueday. (Hear, hear.) relations of this country and the United States • and
Lord RUSSELL. in reply, objected to the conclusions of GREECE. the second was that he bad heard the nettle load at
Lord Clanriearde, drawn as they were from no official the head of the government state, in reply to the hon. and
laformatioa, but from flying rumours end reports. It Me COCHRANE wished to know from the noble lord at learned member for Sheffield (Mr. Roebuck), that these
was our duty in these cues not to take any proceedings the head of the rernment whether he could confirm the matters were under the serious and anxious consideration of
without first referring to the law Wooers of the Clown as satisfactory iota hence that appeared in the newspapers the government. (Hear, hear.) Knowing that, he could
to the character of the seizure complaint' of. Ors con- that at last a definitive settlement had been arrived at with not but thiuk that it would be in the highest degree ion-
saltation with the legal advisers of the crown, they stated regard to the throne of Greece, and also whether it was pedient and injudicious to enter into anything like a pro-
that on a preset facie view there were no '
grounds correct, as reported, that it was the intention of her Ma- longeddiscussiou in reference to them He earnestly &d-
-in the seizure of the Dolphin, bet that there might jesty's government to guarantee a loan oo the occasion of vised the house not to continuo such a discussion. He could
he ken which afforded reasons for sending her before • the new King going to that country. only say he bad heard with the greatest distaste, he might
prize mart. Os two points, however, there was no doubt Lord PALMEItSTON —I sanest say that all the comma- almost ray with disgust, the sentiments expressed by the
that the American cruiser was in the wroug—grse in re. Ideation that have bean pealing with regard to the accept-
bon. and !tamed member for Sheffield. (Cheers from below
sped Wan unoautral use of • neutral port by a belligerent; awe of the throne of Greece by Prince William of Den-
the gangway.) He would add that he could not admire the
sad, enondly, for landing the crew on neutral Menhir& mark are quite concluded. but there is the beat reason for taste of the hon. member opposite (Mr. Bentinek) io pro-
He intended to bring these matters by the net mail to believing that the coaclusice will be satisfactory by hie ae- posing his question after the answer that had been given by
the notico of the government of the United States, oeptence of the throes With regard to the other question, the noble lord at the head of the government. (Hear, hear.)
and he had no doubt, from precedent', that the United as it is • pecuniary question involving matters of detail, I Mr. PEACOCKE thought it would be better that the
States' government would readily should lay upon the table all the informs-
reparation if a cannot say what will be done. (Laughter.) government
sang bat boar don. Passing on to Mr. Adams's assualp- THE ELECTRIC LIGHT. eon which it , and therefore he would move that
Sion of grottiest certificates to British ships, sad his letter
In reply to Sir J. PADINGTON, all letters wh b bad passed between the Foreign-office and
on the subject, ho stienettind it as • most unwarrantable
the any mercantile
conduct io a diplomat is agent, and expressed his batentioo Mr. GIBSON end that he should be !tepee to produce firm in reference to the trade now carried
on between this country and Matamoros be laid on the table
M bringing Mr. edam..conduct ea. the United State' and
of the Board of Trade to the Trinity Corporation,
and their report in reply in reference to the electric light. of the house. (Hear.)
government. He explained and vindicated the policy With regard to the further correspoodence, be should like to Mr. NEW DEGATE aaked to be permitted to express his
adopted by the government in regard to the Sea Queen, leek over it before he promised to lay it on the table. total dissent from the expressions used by the hoe. and
and impressed on the house the necessity of taking • learned member for Sheffield. (Hear, hear.) The bon. and
calm view on matters of each grave coasideratioe, and PROCEEDINGS OF ADMIRAL WILKES. learned gentleman made some observations upon the conduct
sot of at ones jumping to tbe• enchain that the Lord PALMERSTON. in moving that the Speaker do of the American Minister in this country, sod also upon the
United Bute would fail in their duty to • leave the chair end—Perhaps gentlemen who bare given conduct of the governmental the United States,which must
friendly Pewee. The noble earl continued :—lt notioes of motions preliminary to going into committee of be deeply painful not only to the government of the United
any be that eornPlahrs had been made in this country supply would have the goodness to postpone them, as I States, but to every American. (Hear, bear.) Re did net
which were not without foundatice—it may be that the am very noxious to bring on the motion of which I have believe in the expression that the institutions of the United
United States officers have not observed those rules, bot given notice, It will be • great convenience to the public States had broken down, but he believed that the hon. and
have goes beyond the directions which they have received ureice if they will postpone heir maims. learned gentleman had spoken like • disappointed man.
—that they may have seized vessels which were really going Mr. RGEBUCK —I do not want to make any motion, but Mr. LAYARD could give no further answer than that
to Mataniaris or to some other neutral port without sufficient I hope I shall not be precluded from inking the question of given by the noble tort at the head of the government.
evidence that the cargoes were contraband. But it does which I have given public notice on the present occasion. Mr. WHITESIDE wanted to know whether it was un-
seem to me, in spite of what my noble friend mays, that the The question I wish to put has reference to matters which becoming for the members of that house to seek for
government of thin mintier is brined to take • calm view of bay. passed in the West Indian waters and which deeply information from the government on a subject which was
the circumstance to represent them fairly to the govern- affect British trade. (Hear, hear.) The first question has attracting the attention of every n ember of thecoinmunity.
learnt of the United Suttee, and on to presume that the reference to the conduct and proceedings of au admiral of He did not ask for information for the purpose of urging the
United States will fail in their duty to a friendly power, or the United States with reference to English merchant ships government to go to war, but fur the purpose of preventing
that they will countenance outrages which ere against the going from an English port to a neutral port. (Hear, hear.) war.
law of nation. Them representations will be made, and I I wish to preface the question by one or two observation. Sir H. CAIRNS said the hon. gentleman the Under
exPsot that if they are junk, releeratke will not be Mr. KNIGHTLEY rose to ordereind wished to lame if it Secretary for Foreign Affairs heel thought it right to um.
refused. (Hear. hear.) I have already stated that the whole was in :iocordance with the courtesy of the house that the I stoniest. certain letter to the house, but be did
of what took place at the interview I had with the owners hon. and learned member should interpose without nodes pot know that he had given them much iotormatioo,
of these ships has not boss reported. There is certainly nee between the house going into coalmine after the appeal because be !recognised letters which be ',had teen
thing in which a mistake has been made ; because it is said ee the noble lord? lin the papers SODA days ago. (Hear, bear.)
I expressed atlerim at the information that certain persons, Lord PALYEItSTON-1 should be glad to answer my He wanted to know whether her Maieety's government in-
British subjects, had been made prismers it'd detained in hoa sad leaned friend. (laughter.) I tended to give colour to the idea that if there were in a
a Phew of ereefitielment by the =dimities of the Untied Mr. ROEBUCK.—I know the noble lord la an older man 1 mail-bog carried from any British port to a neutral port
States. I cartaioly did sot express any surprise, for I had them lam ; but still, eld as be is, he will mat take me ira in a letter which might be ecesidered by a prize court to de-
been reeling that very morning the reprenatatioas sot eely that way. I wish to make a few observations before I pat , serve the appellation of tressonble—he wanted to know
of our consuls but of those British subject. themselves who say question, which relates to the proosediop of Admiral whether that circumstanoe would justify the detention,
had beau so detained, apparently with great ha:sheens—a Wilkes. When the American war broke oat, I think the trial, and perhaps forfeiture re' the merchant vessel.
larshoess which seems not to have been nor:cowry, as the oh- large majority of the leadiog minds of England felt a hock Mr. MALINIS and the Solicitor-General roes together ;
ject was merely to chide their evidence in the prise court of pain at the quarrel between the various states. I may but though there DM loud calls for the latter, the former
IL cannot be denied that there are precedents &bowleg that say for myself the shock was very strong, for all my early hon. member persisted in his right to proceed. He said
whores ship is brought before • rime court. the master anion had bees that in America a great ex motional tea' that the UnderSeeretary for Foreign Affairs had deprecated
may give the evidence which be poetesses ante the real elm- shout being roods on the subject of government. I thought this discussion. and that the noble lord had assured them
meter of the cargo arid the destination of the vessel, and that they entered on that experiment in a way that man- this matter was is safe keeping. and the country in no
that he may be &Mined for that purpose. But it seems kind never yet had nee, and that if fortune prevailed in danger. He, however, did sot think the house ought to be
to me that the United States authorities have gone beyond their favour, it would he shown that men had now proved satisfied with such an answer. He, for one, felt himself
what they fairly had a right to do. It must be reamer- worthy of enacting themselves. When, therefore, the news humiliated every morning. (Cries of ' Oh, oh !" and loud
bored that there were many cases of neutral rights when we came that that experiment was at an end—for it is at an end laughter.") He would may that in common with Eoglieh.
were bellismente brought before eminent judges in our own —I say my heart failed me, for then I was compelled to men in general he felt humiliated by seeing that
prize courts, whose decisions bare been universally received acknowledge that men, under the moat favourable circuni. the commerce of this country was being carried on by the
and upheld. One of then was judge, the character of stances, proved themselves unworthy of governing them. sufferance of a foreign power. (Hear, hear.)
whose decider's has been everywhere recognised as costar's. selves. My feelings were, at first, in favour of the North, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said be would not wish
able with he law of nation. I allude to lewd Stowell. but, as time went on, their conduct sumach as proved them to add one word to this discussion bet for the mis-
A'' I said l'efore, we were the belligerents rind ere DOW not only unfit for governiog themselves, but unfit for the apprehension of his hoe. sad learned friend the member
neutrals ; but I think it would not become the character courtesies and for the community of the civilised world. for Belfast, whom he did not expect to hear draw from the
of theeouotry to ray that because oar circumstances ere . (.. Oh, oh." and " Hear, hear.") Oh yes, sir, I know there enmemendence which had been referred to by his hoe.
changed we dieuld invoke • law of another uatnr•— (cheer.) I are degenerate Englishmen who do take the pert of the friend near him an inference so entirely anemias as that
—that we. sloield alhere to those decisions of Lord Stowell ! North against their own country—lob, oh) - and whenever her Majesty's government were preened to admit that the
while they were eleattageoua to us as belligerents, sod that . • matter is coming into collision between America and Eag. United Shan government were justified in capturing vessels
we should throw them aside and reject them altogether i land, their voices are raised on the ride of America. itah, upon the ground that the nuril.ban might contain letters of
when we became neutrals. (Cheers.) My sotto friend ' eh.) I me perfectly usderstand those cries lam very • hostile character. He would not rends from stating that
tells us that whatever • Tenet might he, ithatever lewdness- • glad that it tenches the hon. gentleman. (Cries of "Order.") such a doctrine was not held by her Majesty's Government.
lion, and whatever the papers she alight have, shoeing that I want to koow where lam out of order. It would and they would not submit to it for a single moment. But
she was shoat to break a blockade, and was going appear, air, that this question of mine is creating a unit the evidence was completed as both sides it would he
to carry arms to the Confederate* keown to be st enmity greet sensatioo. The waded of the North Amerioan Din most unwise to enter into a diseinsin of the subject. He
with the Cotter) States—my noble friend tells us that melt united Stases has been such as is humiliating to the people would remind the house that they had had before them up=
a vessel ought to be protected by the power of the British of Eoglsed. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord has hitherto more than one occasion a statement of the views of her
nation, in contradiction to all our own decisions and in shown himself to be the friendof the honour. thedimetv, and Majesty's goveromeat, the principles which might
contradiction to that which we have declared to be the law the prosperity of England. (Hear, hear.) He never showed be 'evolved when questions arose, and those upon
of nations. But, nay beds, I ben that the Mesh govern- that more than by his coeduct as heed of the government in which they would be prepared to act. (Hear, bear.)
runt will Inver place themselves in such a position. (Hear, the eircirmatancee of the Treat. (Haar, hear.) We had Lord It. CECIL believed that this discussion would
bees.) Let us leek at these eases calmly. It may be that been subject to every species of violet language, not of in- he useful, es &bowing the government that they must no
we have Mined grievous wrongs—it may be that we have sismation, hut of accentiou ; end we were threatened with loafer trifle with the feelings of the country. They
• right to cousiderible reparation : but let the two pram war. and Kiag Cotton was to be the power to humiliate us. were told that the national honour was safe in the
mental treat the questioa fairly. We have on our side the Well, Kies Cotton lisa tried his power, and King Cotton hands of the noble lord at the bead of the government, but
decisions of a gnat judge. They also have in America the has failed. (Hear.) We then resented an act of flagrant, in. they had had the nettle lord before them in two character"
opinion laid down hy great Paden, like Jodie Stern- and ' 'Mont overbearing. (Hear, bur.) W• called them to —that of the Lord Palmerston of the Russian and Crimson
Chancellor Kent, and lay • writer like Mr. Wheaton. All account. and they truckled in their answer. (Hear, hear.) watered of the Greene end Brazil negotiations, and the Lord
thme are great authorities, and they will show who is in Well, sir, now aerie another insult is given, and by the same Palmerston of the Conspiracy Bill. It was yet to be seen
the right sod who in the wrong. But let us discuss these man who perpetrated that deed with respect to the Trent. in which character the noble lord would deal with the pre-
queations with a wish to do justice to each other ; and let A 'creel leaves tie English shore. Mere is a gentleman emit complication.
us not be lad by passion to do anything tint is not founded opposite, the member for Lades; (Mr. Crawford), who rays Mr. OSBORNE thought that two more mischievous
in justice, and that we eamot setersaida justify ie the face he hae seen her papers, nod that her sum is harmless. She debates bad never takes place in that boom than those which
of nations. (Cheers.) was hound for a neutral port—(bear)—she was seized by had been just mimed by the boa. and learned members for
The Earl of CAILNARVON said that the remarks of the .so American man-of-war, ad taken Into an American port, Sheffield and Wellimford. He (Mr. Osborn) thought that
Forcer, Seeretery named to favour the impression that and the expectation of as English merchant in hie honour- whilst they were treading almost on the living embers of
American ships of war had a right to seise 'British vessels able trade are utterly destroyed by the ceodect of the Arne- war they were loud to fie
.. mile manful of what they said
is a °rant and legitimate trails, sod even to open ries. goverament (Hear.) It is that °Deduct I call on the than at snY ether dam If they "nth, twee nrwillmini Amin-
sad act upon the correspoodenee mutants(' ia her Majesty's noble lord to meet (Hear. beer.) Nat cooly DM that am thatitatima tadleflaining the Amerken mind by °free-
sias. dose, bat peons calling tbenissieu ing)iek inerebenta bare sire observations ea miss respecting Ala Easy were as yet

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imperfectly informed, be could Dot sae bow easy government
could prevent this country from being plunged into war. '
lie (Mr. Osborne) was no degenerate Eoglishmen, nor was
a member of the peace party, but as an independent
member of that boom be thought hie but coarse was to
avoid discussions like the present. They all had orefideoce
in the noble lord at the bead of the government as • ;
war minister, and therefore it was the less necomary
to magnify this question into one of mischievous pro-

mained stationary, the themes from trade were constantly
Wavering, for whence DIM the 60,000,0001. of income
which had recently been brought under the operation of the
home and Property Tax Ant! There was another cue to
which he wished to rear. Were they to say that small
house proputy should be taxed u highly as the better
sorts of landed property! If not, then the government
wield in every can have to make special inquirieit But the
people of this country objected to the income tax principally
ea the ground of its inquisitorial nature. The inquisition
into the particulars of trade wu bad enough, but
in the ease of small hoses property every detail
would have to be exhibited to the government.
Redid not believe that it would be either practicable, or that
it would he safe to make these alterations in the law. He
thought it wu all very well for ingenious gentlemen to
frame tables on paper which might in theory show • mere
equitable system, but these schemes could never be brought
to bear in practice, and no responsible minister of the
Quasi standing at that table could propose these schemes
for the adoption of the house. (Hear.)
Mr. MA.LINS, though • professional man, strongly op.
posed the resolution.
Mr. BABB spoke in favour of the resolution, by which, he
thought, the tax might be made more productive.
Mr. ROEBUCK withdrew his resolution. _ . _

porticoes.
The motion was then withdrawn.
INCOME TAX ON ENDOWED CHARITIES.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know how the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer meant to raise the question of Im-
posing the income tel on widowed charities. Many important
institutions were interested, one of which, demised, would
' have to pay 1,6001. a year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the
institution alluded to, if liable to a charge of 1,5001. a year,
must have an income of at least 150,0001. or 60,01104, and
therefore was very well able to take its &ars bathe burthens
of the country. The course he intended to take was to ask
for a general resolution that night which would be reported
on the following day, and the bill with all its clauses would
be in the hands of members on Saturday morning. The
made of proceeding would then be seen, and be should be
subsequently, in committee, ready to
question.

Mr. HUBBARD made some remarks upon the finsocial
statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He objected
to the club licenses for the sale of liquors, which be hoped
would bs reconsidered. In adverting to the alterations
in the income-tax, he spoke approviogly o the IMMO-
Eons made to persons with incomes lees than 20W. • year.
He then discussed the scheme of the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer for the conversion of permenent into terminable
annuities, which was, he said, only another form of •
sinking fund, now regarded as an utter delusion. After de.
daring his conviction of the juatice, propriety, and expe-
diency of • reduction of the duty on fire insurances, lie
strongly objected to that part of the budget which imposed
• tax upon charities, by withdrawing au exemption they
had hitherto enjoyed, pointing out its effects upon funds
' raised for charitable objects.
Mr. MARSH must say that he thought the riOt hoe.
gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer laboured
under very groat difficulty. On the one aide were those
who wished to upend money, and on the other those who
never wished to spend it. For his own pert he thought
hon. members would do far better if on nights of committee
of supply they would allow the honed, to go at once into
committee instead of bringing forward • number of small
motions ell tending to extravagance.
The amendment was then withdrawn.

•
MEMORIAL TO THE PRINCE CONSORT.
The house then went into committee of supply.
Lord PALMERETON moved • resolution (renting to her
Majesty the sum of 50,0001. towards the expense of erecting'
► mutable memorial of the late Prince Consort. The noble
lord expisieed that the estimated cost of such • monument
mm. 110,0001. ; that pearly 60,0001. had been raised by public
subscription; end that the proposed grant of 50,000/. would,
he believed, be sufilineut to erect a memorial that would at
once be worthy of the country, do honour to the memory
of the Prince Consort, and be soothing to the feelings:of the
Queen
Mr. CONINORAM briefly criticised the proceedings of
the royal commissioners, and the plan they had resolved
upon adopting, and expressed a hope that they would re-
consider their decision, with the view of erecting a memorial
, of a more useful character.

Mr. DISRAELI thought the course which bad been
adopted by the government was on the whole well coo-
sidered and judicious in a matter that was not altogether
free from embarrassment. The suggestion of the hoe.
member was, in his opinion, a fallacious and narrow-minded
one, and, it carried out, would not fulfil the wishes or be
in accordance with the sentiments of the country. What
was wanted wane monument in the metropolis which would
represent as much as possible the character and career of
the living man—something choice, direct, and significant.
In reply to observations from Mr. Gregory, Mr. Liddell.
and Mr. Garnett,
Lord PALMERSTON stated that the public subscriptions
had been raised upon condition that the style and character
of the proposed monument should be left to the decision of
the Queen, and the sum he now asked the committee to
vote had the same audition attached to It.
After a few words f rein Ear 11. Pm) and Admiral DUN.
1:011 at, the vote was agreed to neat. cow.
ammo AND YENIKALE PRIZE.MONEY.

OD the motion of Lord PALMERSTON the rum of
85,0001. wee voted u prize-money for the rapture of Kertch
during the Russian war—the amount to be divided in the
proportion of two-thirds to the naval and ose-third to the
military forms engaged on the occsairmi.
EXCHEQUER BONDS.

On the motion of Mr. Pm,
A sum of 1,000,0001. was granted to her Majesty to pay
off and diathesis Exchequer Bonds payable on the Bth of
May, DM&
The house then resumed.
THE SUGAR DUTIES.

On the motion that the house go into committee of ways
and means,
Mr. LINDSAY said he had placed on the paper • notice
that be would all attention to the sugar duties, but as he
approved generally of the budget, he thould take an oppor-
tunity of stating his views on the particular subject to
which he referred in committee.
THE INCOME T.X.
Mr. ROEBUCK rose to move "That in the opinion of
this house, the tax imposed on precarious incomes should
be lower than that imposed on permanent incomes." He
said he regarded the budget as being on the whole an ox-
seedingly satisfacitory one, and one with which the
country had reason to be delighted. What he asked the
Chancellor of the Exchequer to do, wan to carry out a
aitwhich had been submitted by • former col-
leagueof his, the late Mr. J. Wilson, by which
be proposed to divide income into three classes ; first,
incomes derived from capital; secondly, from capital
and knowledge used in trade; sod thirdly, from knowledge
aloes applied to professions. He would suppose the case
of a lawyer, who had to undergo a tedious education, and
live a laborious life : up to the age, perhaps, of 50 he bad
to tight against the world for Lie very existence : when he
arrived at that age fortune might smile upon him. but sod
deoly, just as he wan beginning to reap the fruits of the
labours of his life, he was stricken down ; and has
children were left unprovided for. That was a painful
case, and it was to meet such cases that. be made the pro-
weal he submitted to the house. The Chancellor of the
Exchequer might say that the alteration would do away
with has surplus. might be so, but be had such faith
in the ingenuity of the right hon, gentleman that he believed
he could find a surplus in a much less unjust way
than by contiuning the tax at its present unequal rate. He
therefore trusted that the right bon. gentleman would do
that justice which was in his power, and take one from the
many hardships under which the man who derived his pre-
carious living from the exercise of his ability laboured.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he bad
listened with attention and all respect to the speech of hie
hon. and learned friend, who had become the organ of a
feeling which had long prevailed in the conotry, which pre-
vailed now, and would continue to prevail so long as the
income tax existed. The feeling to which be alluded was
nettles], was excusable, and was supported by so many in-
dications upon the surface of the subject, that he looked
upon it as ioseparable from the existence of the tax. He
should say, however, at starting that be was per-
sonally disabled from acoediug to the motion. It
had been his fate to give more attention to
the subject of the income tax than perhaps any other mem-
ber of the house. When be ,it came into the office which
he had the honour to hold, it was immediately after • pro-
al similar to that of the hon. and learned gentleman had
been made by his predecessor in office, under peculiar cir-
cumstances, and with peculiar authority. It therefore be-
came the duty of the goveremeot to examine the propo-
sitiou thoroughly, in order to ascertain whether it was safe
or practical, and they arrived at the conclusion that it was
not. The hon. and loured gentleman proposed to remove
two anomalies ; but the affect of his doing so in the manner
suggested would be to create three or four, and to leave the
whole question in a worse position than before. He (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) had never, if he might use
the term, optimised on the subject of the income tax. He
had never shut his eyes to the difficulties which attended
its collection. It wee difficult to collect because it was a
direct tax, and because it was necessarily to some extent,
and always must be, an inquisitorial tax. It was also diffi-
cult of collection because it was—be admitted—an unequal
tax. But with all these difficulties the country felt that it
was attended—that • tax upon iDCOM• was attended with
great advantages. Equality of rating was the principle
upon which it was founded. When he said some time ego
that the hack suited itself to the burden, he did not mean
to imply that the burden ceased to he • burden, but that in
matters of taxation usage end tradition were of great
parlance. (Ipso what principle could they sot if they
anaodoned that of equality of rating? Some ten year ago
au attempt was made to establish the principle that every
man should pay in proportion as he could afford, that is to
say, so that their ease of circumstances relatively should
be the same after they had paid es before. The plan wee
NM before • select committee of the house not unfavour-
able to the principle, but after a clogs examination it was
found to be impracticable; nor had it found greater favour
with the committee appointed on the motion of the hon.
member for Buckingham `Mr. Hubbard). He admitted
that the boo. and learned gentleman had touched the
weakest point in the tax, and that which appealed
most atrougly to all their sympathies. The case
of • professional man was different to that of
• tradesman. professional men, as a general rule, before
they got to the top of the ware were compelled
to live up to their income, and sometimes hod even to draw
on independent resources before their professional Weenie
was sufficient to provide them with the means of subast-
soca. The difficulty, however, if a resolution were adopted
relating to " professional men," would be to define who
were professional men. Were bookkeepers, clerk., archi-
tects, curates, managers of public companies, professional
men' If they were not, nothing whatever would he done
by such a resolution but to introduce w new anomaly. If
it were not extended to the ease of all those whose incomes
depended on health and mental faculties, nothing practi-
cally would be accomplished ; and bore another difficulty
started up, for the incomes of the classes he had referred
to were not "precarious," nut permanent and increasing.
It was quite true that • gentleman with 200001. seyear
might say be had • precarious 11100 Me, because the minerals
fund under his property might fail in productivenesa.
Then could it be said that his property ought to be timed at
• less rate than that of a gentian= who *grieul-
total property mid no minerals under it' possessed
that
such • system of taxation would be the introduction of •
new inequality and the eggravation of all present inequali.
ties. He would take a elms of this trading com-
munity. A bad 1,000/. a-year derived from land,
and B the man.. SUM from trade. It might
be said that B's income was not permanent, because
his trade might be diminished from various causes, aced that
A's income was permanent, and therefore that they should
icarease the tax upon A's income in order to grant •
remission to B. Far if they relieved one part of the com-
munity they must put an additional weighs on others, and
the LOOK a year derived from lewd would have to he taxed
more highly in order to relieve the like amount derived
from trade. But a man in this country must live according
to his place in society—acearding to those social expecta-
tions which constituted the law to which he and his family
must conform ; and be believed that the mall with 1.050/.
derived from trade war is three sew out of four in a dif-
ferent positioa to the man with 1,0001. • year front land,
sad that he was not explored to expend so much.
upesilda aelckboins friends and badly. It should, how-
rogasaabairod. that while Ida iikasom from laod xr