The Express.
London, England, 1852-06-15 00:00:00

131.1'EltIAL
Hollfig OF WM/S.—Mose DAS, Jeut 14.
The Loma CISANCILLMI took his *eat at b o'clock.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
tor:rye Curare.—By Lord BROUOIIAM, from soli-
citor. of Carlisle, in favour of an equity Jo/Wit:6m for
comity CJUIt..
AW.SOAMENT to Cogan Re:rte.-11y the Duke of
RICHMOND. front fanners in Somerset, complaining of
the mode of the assessment of their estates.
M AY NOOTII.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA gave notice that he would,
early wet scenes, move fore committee to inquire whether
the mural sad religious principles inculcated by the system
of education pursued in the College of Maynuuth, ate not
subversive of all protestant government
Lord BIIOI.IIIIAM-1 consider that to he • much letter
and fairer way of entering on that important question than
a say pursued —I won't say where—(hear, bear)—bat est-
taiely nut in your lordships boon.
ti It EAT W I:STEICS. SIIItF.WSBCIIV AN D
SlR-
htlNtellAM, AND BIRMINtiIIAM AND CHESTER
RAILWAY COMPANIES ANIALOANIATION BILL.
Lard BEAU MONT moved that one of the standing orders
of the noose should be dispensed with in the case of the
Great Western, Shrewebory and Itirnsicithem, and the
Shrewsbury and Chester Railway Companies Arnalgaivatioa
Bill. which, he contended, involved the question whether
there should be only one wars of COMMUIlleat it'll beta. en
London and the Mersey.
After some discussion the motion was negatised without
a divides.
EDUCATIONAL. GRANTS.
The Marmsie of LANSDOWNE said that he wished to
let himself right in the opinion of the noble lord opposite.,
rind in that of the houee,w it h respect to the alteration which.
it was alleged, the committee of council bud made in the
management clauses as regarded the Jewish schools attar
the education grant had been voted by parliament. lie
stated in reply to the noble earl that he (the Marquis of
Lansdowne) was convinced that no material alter-
ation had been made by the late government
after the vote had been granted. But since then
he had an opportunity of referring to the exact dates, and
he found that so far trout there being • precedent to Foment
the present government, the reverse was the case ; for it
actually appeared by a letter, dated the 14th of January, and
addressed by the Committee of the Privy Cowie' to the
Jewish Committee, that unless arrangements were made
which would satidy the Committee of the Privy Council
previous to the edueatiim vote being taken, n.l sub.equent
vote could be taken by which they could benefit. This did
not depend on auy statement of his, but on the authority of
the minute which hail been laid on the table of the house.
At the came time he said that the statement made by the
noble earl W4S matte inadvertently, and that he was per
kctly ratistie I with the assurance he understood him to
have given that no proceeding would take place of a mate-
rial or novel nature with giving parliament. and especially
the other house of parliament, an opportunity of judging of
the change. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of DERBY said that on Friday last he an-
swered the question of the noble marquis, and explained
the circumstances under which the minute was made with-
out intending to nitre any discussion. But, after he had
made that &planation, lie received from the noble roarqnis
an expression of rather severe censure for the course which
the government took, nut with regard to the auhetanee ul
the minute itself, but for the fact of laying it on the table at
all. Nat expecting that a discussion would be raised, lie did
not come down to the house prepared to meet the noble
marquis as to the statement that the government had pur-
posely abstained from laying the minute on the table till
they obtained the vote of the House of Commons in favour
of the educational grant. That was an observation so dis-
creditable to the government that he could not allow it to
pass without observation. When the noble marquis said
that no alteration had been made by the late government
after the vote had been obtained without subnutting it to
parliament and asking fur its sanction, it occurred to him
that in 1b39 they consented to give assistance to the
Jewish schools after the vote was passed. Recollect that
the statement was, that no material alteration hail ever
been made after the vote was obtained. Now, the facts
were these : In 11447, 100,0001. was voted for educational
purposes on the 26th April. On the 10th of July a sup-
plementary minute—represented as one of great import-
ance—was passed to enable the committee of I'rivy Coun-
cil to give assistance to many schools from which they were
formerly debarred by the previous minute,. That supple-
mentary minute passed on the 10th of July, and the effect
of it wix to admit to the benefit of the grant those schools
which refused to be inspected or reported on with regard
to religious instruction. That was an important alteration
of principle. The vote peeled on the 20th of April, the
supplementary minute was made on the 16th of July, and
it was not even laid on the table of the house till it was
asked for in the other Muses parliament. He commented
on the matter on the :l2nd July, and on the 23rd July parlia-
ment was prorogued previously to the dissolution. (Hear.)
Ile thought their lordships would be of opinion, under all
the circumstances of the ease, that this was a material alte-
ration of the rules of the Privy Council, entered into while
parliament was sitting, but not laid before parliament till
within two or three days of the prorogation prior to diesoln-
thin, although the vote had been taken six weeks before.
l'ast'ing over minor instances of the same kind, he presumed
their lordships would be of opinion that the management
clauses themselves fanned rather an important alteration of
the system. (Hear.) They were adopted in 11447. The
vote for that year of 100,0001. was taken on the 26th of
April; the management clauses, A, 13, C, and I), regu-
lating the whole restrictions for the first time imposed
upon the greats to the National Society, bore date on the
214th June, 1617; and for the first time they were laid
before parliament not in the course of that session—(hear,
hear)—not previous to taking the grant—but not until they
were presented in the Blue-book laid before the house sub-
sequent to taking the vote in the succeeding simian. (Hear,
hear.) Tho management clauses were pared after the vote
was takes. ond while parliament was sitting; but they were
only submitted to parliament in the blot hook, after the
vote of the fallowing year was taken. (Hear, bear.) That
vote was taken ou the 21st Augnek 1848. The manage-
meat dames contaised in that tint beak were laid before
that lemishipa' boom en dint same ilsy—the 21st, hut they
amend net to Mee been loth behm ski House of Com-
mis ME the thall—the day Air the vote was taken.
(Haim hem) lie= OM 41127 MOM the alterations of those
samegemeat dame had arm be separately laid on the
table of the holm. The vent im 1849 was taken on the
ith of Jam; tad the revised menagnesat clauses, as ap-
tly the miasma et the Pdyy Cisme%
were,
for the
Wthee. __ranked to mamma ea the lith of Jona.
These were then Impedes% au=sit which, contrary
tiss statement of the side great alterations
IMO mole while pediewmat was , sitheament to
tabby the vete he the pan end they had net boas maw
ammismed to peederseM Mdl tut the met seades. Om et
these alterations baly the istredueden of the Mole spasm
of the amaggemedi rosy winch:wen net ae maghtaalter-
alien de am demmeint Mimed to the iiiiemthatheth
foe their nem*. ether elasase ia their peesset s seised
shape.He lamed their leethhige wow satielled that the
geemaimet betamx soled whited gateedeat. At the 111100
time he nest swot middy abides, he himself said eel-
lemma my dean's wlhallsoor Is withdraw from the idlest
cioneitheatlea of pediment thle se say other sharatiess
that light be megessil. If the sable marquis wired at
my time M theme the wont otheadom well. were
mesa tomiy hot ilatortimml whisk he ((Lid NAP=
Might dews to the hem with him, he *soli be mod
baggy ha meet the noble womb ea the particulars of the
am. As to the mamba thee of tho alteration being
semi en, he of mem the Mom that he did n. t know
at that time whether the meddle peat for education had
pseud the hams of Commas or mi. And if it would he
any satisfaction he the adds memite, Its would tell him
why that paid/War time wee ahem he net longer delay.
fag coming to a ort the wafts. The annual
infttiny of the ddieml bier ons to take pleas en
the followiag Thaliday end the WYNIZIIMIM were armed-
In elf &meth. by emis disestism es thay lamed
would meet the dem of modisalle men in the ohm* to
preyed the repetitisa of a thesomisa whisk Melt ghee lest
year, mite reseeeth the peat bed, of dillistuses ea •
point which had been the subject of most unfortunate and,
be thought, of very unprofitable disemies.
After some discussion between several other lords the
die/melon dropped.
EXTRADITION OF OFFENDERS. ABANDON- I
MENT OF THE BILL.
Lord MALNIESBURY, in reply to soma remarks by
Lord 13110r0)14M, said that he had some down M
the house intending to inform their lordships at the pepper
moment that the government had thought Bt, at present. yo
withdraw this bill. His statement on Friday night, as te the
law of France had originated in an error of the person who
wrote the despatch on this subject—an error which ow
ambassador at Paris had requested him to explain in the
way he had dune. Before leaving the subject ho wished
to state that it would be extremely dangerous to continue
the act of parliament under the new law which had beea
passed in France, (Hear, hear.) In the first place, they
could not properly understand the full bearing of that men
sure. As far as he understood it at present, the Freath
government meant to claim any criminal in any part of the
world wherever he had committed an offence, even if that
offence were not committed oa French ground.
Lord 111101.1011 AM said that nothing could be more
satisfactory than this course, and nothing could be more
complete than the justification of the noble earl for so act-
ing. Ile could do no other, after finding that he had been
misinformed as to the actual state of the French law. The
new law was, that as Englishman, for au offence committed
in London, or alleged to be so committed, might be brought
to trial is France, and dealt with by the French authori-
ties. (Hear, hear.)
Lord LYNDIR RST said that by the *lilting BAreselt
law, supposing the bill before the house to have been ear-
ned, an Englishman might have been eppreheaded hew
after he had been in Paris. (Hear, hear.)
CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that the house
go into committee upon this bill, and expressed • Imps the
their lordships would approve of its provisions, which be
explained.
The Karl of DERBY said the object of the hit', as Jed
explained by the noble marquis was one in which they
would all concur with the other house in giving theiravent.
But he objeetesl that the hill allowed an investigation into
alleged corrupt practices in any borough to he instituted on
• vote of the House of Commons instead of an ad-
dross to the crown, concurred in by the llowe of
Lords. Ile also intimatzd that he should move
amendments exempting counties and universities, and
limiting the power of inquiry into consecutive
elections to cases where the bribery was practised continu-
ctuly, and excepting those where • yure election intervened.