The Express.
London, England, 1864-11-10 00:00:00

MURDEB AT PLAISTOW.

Yes erday, At the Stit;tford Police-court, before
11111-an ,;uirrey Fry sad .Ir. Raymond Polly, the two
per.oss who were &meted on the previous .Trbiog on
"opinion of baba concerned in as dieboliail murder of
John Fohrhop, whose beadles, 'oody was found on Pleistow
Ilorshee, so already reported, were brought up for ex-
maioatio3.

The name* of the accused couple, as stated in the charge-
sheet, wet a Ferdioand Edward Karl Kuhl, of 4, Hoy-street,
Plaistow, sugar-baker (a Dative of Holland), and Hannah,
kris wife, an English young woman, to whom Die male
prisoner had only been married about five weeks. The
prisoner hob! is a dull, heavy-looking MAO, about 2i years
et age. Ha did not pay much attention to the proceedings
m he stood in the dock, whilst his wife, who does not appear
to be above Pi years of age, was exceedingly overcome with
grist, and showed that she acutely felt the position in which
Ms was
Mr. Superintendent Howie acid Mr. Inspector Nightingale,
eif tLe K Division, and Sergeant Clarke, of the detective de.
part:Lent of the Metropolitan Police, attended to conduct the
prosecution of the case.
The court was densely crowded, and as may be imagined
vest numbers assembled in the vicinity of the court to catch
a glimpse of the accused. and upon their appearance in
charge of Inspector Nightingale the male prisoner wee re-
ceived with irises and other discordant sounds.

Upon the prisoners being placed at the bar the t nairmati
isqutred whether any legal gentleman appeared of their
behalf, and was replied to it the negative.
The following evidence was thee adduced : Richard
Harvey, of Crispin-street, Poplar, a shipwright's apprentice,
said—On Lumley afternoon, about half -past I, I was going
along the river bank tear Plaistow Matches, close to Silver-
town, accompanied by Josiah Easter said sonseother parties.
One of the men io the petty sent me amongst some reeds
to drive up the birds for him to shoot at, he having a gas.
As 1 was walking through the reeds I solaced the dead
body of a man. 1 wan atone tire yards from the corpse
whet) L ri,t saw it. 1 ran out of the reeds and told my
companions of it. The body, which wan lying on its back,
had no head on it. The right hand was lying on the breast,
and the lett arm was lying by ars side. It was about 50
yards from the riser wall or bank. There is a broad reed
shore at ton point, and the reeds growiug there are about
seven feet bizti. Guitar upon hearingwliat I said went for a
constable. The body was only dressed in a pair of black cloth
trousers an.l Wellington boots. There was a small piece of
a white aLir. on the left arm vi the body, no other pot-
titres of rho twat iumaming.
The Chad,..au to the prisoners)—Will you ask this
witness ary ~uaitious . .

The men, p'neouirr —No. I have nothing to ask him.
Jw:ah :eater, of No. 7, 13rowleyatreet, Poplar. was the
seat wane.. Ile anal—l am a sLiploiaer, and work io
Yr. Green's yard. On Tuesday 1 was employed in the
l'ictoiia in. At about '2O mmutes pest one yesterday
afternoon 1 was going with Richard Harvey and some others
es the river bank with a gun for a walk during our dinner
hour. Harvey went in amongst the reeds to beat out some
birds, and he come running out in about ten minutes and
told us that he had found a dead wan without • head. We
all went in. iound the body, which had apparently been
dead a few lay.. The rats had eaten the flesh off the
hands. The body was lying on its back ; the right hand
was lying 1V:f063 the breast, and the left hand and arm were
lying by the ..;de of the body. 1 immediately west in search
of a police cou.tehle, and found one. I brought him to the
wt. 1 tout:d that the deceased had on lira a pair of black
cloth trousers opened up the front, and a pair of Wellington
boots outside toe bottoms of his trousers legs. There waa
also • pert of • white shirt on tne left arm.
I met • police other and I told bun what I had aeon, and I
accompanied him to the spot. We then searched the pockets
and found a farthing in the right hand pozket of the
treaters wrapped in a piece of paper. Notluog else sal
found on the help of the deceased.

By the We searched (or the head amongst the
reeds, nut wld not find iL The Lead was cut off the
trunk right wat of the neck.
•

The Male prisoner said he had no question to ask of this
whine., and the tamale prisoner was quite overwhelmed
with grief, clutchiug bold of the rails of the dock and sob-
keg convulsively.
Mr. Edward Julin Morris said—l am a surgeon, and reside
at l'l.u.tow. 1 was called to see the body of the deceased
at about half-past 11 o'clock last night. I went to the
Gravitg I 00-k Hotel, in Silvertown. The body was without
a head, and the muscular portion of the Deck, right down
to the Cone. had been eaten away by rats, which swarm
11Mooget.the reeds.

The Chilli (USX Win you describe the appearance of the

Dr. Morr:s —.l. I said, the flesh of the neck bad been
eaten away by the rats. My opinion is that a knife and a
chopper had been used in eevenng the head from the truck.
There trete ....rural mark* where "chop:' had been made
in the vvrtibt . One had partially derided Mite of the cervi-
cies, and anr.ther bad completed it. The flesh of the left
hand had all been eaten away, and the flesh of the right
band wen partially eaten otf. The left shoulder had beet
apparently attacked and partially eaten away by the rats.
as was 'novo by the muscular nbras. It was the same in
the case of the rii;ht arm„the flesh of which had been eaten
away in two pieces in a similar manner. Taking into con-
sideration the coldness of the weather, and the dry place
where the body was found, it is quite consistent that
he might have been dead four or aee drys. I examined the
chest and abdomen, and could not rind any marks of violence.
I saw the clothes described by the witnesses. The boots
were over the ankles of the trousers, as if be bad been walk-
ing in the mud. It was the body of a muscular man. and
appeared to have been well nourished. I have not made a
post. marten) exam ihation. . . _

Zatch —I am • shoemaker, and live at No. 2,
Hoy-street. Lest evening about eight o', lock I went to the
Gray:lig-dock Hotel, and identified the body from the boot
worn by the dece,!md. I did not know the name of the de-
aimed. I hied known him for several weeks. He had
shown me his boots, and asked if I could do anything to the
way of repairing them. The lift sole was worn.
The Chairman--Did you know where the deceased m►n
lodged?
The witness— He lodged at Nu. 4, llopetreet, in the
game house a. the prisoner Kohl.
Elizabeth Werreo, wiled James Warren, labourer, of 3,
Nelson-pbee, 'lrides'', said—The male prisoner brought to
my house a 'our; gentleman whom we used to call "John."
The male erimper used to lodge at my house. and then he
wont to f,eirmani ; sod when he returned, he married the
posing woman at the bar. When he came back from liar-
many he brought the young gentleman John, who accom-
panied him from abroad, to my house to lodge. That per.
eon, whom I be!ieve to he the deceased, lodged at my
house for thirteen days. He left about a month ago. He
was 21 or 22 years of age, and was a very handsome young
MD. 1 have seen nothing of hint bi UCC he left my house.
Ile could nut speak good English. I Lever saw tom extra-
vagant.
Chairman--Do you know anything of his means!
Witn, se - When he was brought to my house, the prisoner
said the went,; man had :WU,. a year, sod win bound to
New York. I saw six sovereigns its the ressesaino of the
deceased. When he first came to my lemee, the young
IMO love ire six -sovereigns to take r:ire of for him, as he
was going out. ilealso gave Tne a silver watch, gold Albert
chain, and nog, and I returned them all to him, including
the money, a few days after he hail entrusted me with
them. The ring was a large plain g,1,1 ring, with a bleak
gold shield, without cog stone or on it. lie also
bad a geld neckerchief pie, with a riere of red coral in
it, which he left at my house, and came fur it the day
afterwards. I r.• •vet noticed his linen was marked. He
had ems celmirol shirt. He also several shirts and
collars. The colitis had a mark ou them.

ChJirm 1..1 you notice what tn. net he had when he
laft your

Witness I saw that he had four iovereigns and some silver
io hie bawl, and wlieu he came to settle with me he said
if be changed cumber sovereign Le would tot have enough '
=Airy to •••• \ err York. 1 had rteeit,d from hoe
and Airier] him 2'. The male prisoner cams with the
young nun; a hen he left; be was alto accompanied by two
lads .iii ,•cl mu they caned Katcher. The prisoner
wishail him to i tam the four sci•ereic•, anal loth he and
the young mau ohjacted to what 1 hid charged. I claimed
th:m tin y had pelt' nie. end 1 .....-•aanied the young
man'. poetii.artta a, a lax, two pile of bouts, one pair with
laced cult-+, t wo hatboxes, contaiiiiog a beaver bat and
a felt marrow bruin skull crowned hat 'deerstalker). Ile
also bail a Loge ioeicoat and a travelling wrapper, red nu
one 111.! :;I.irtc on the other. II- had two pair of black
trousers :Ma a p.sir of erey ones in the I gave the
things tip on ,be following day. Tim riarilan moo
w lima, we ii led PaitcLer pad we the re.., and I de-
livered tie goods. I have wen this man Butcher
about the Marsh. It was s.: mouth ago that
be left. awl on a Tursday, offered me is, Gil.,
which I I.•finied. lie said the ship ia which he was to
sail proceed to New York was to uu the following Tuesday
Or Friar", I ,ouNi
pio,..nor Kohl said lie had no ~uestions to ask the
Mr. Daniel Bowie, superintendent of the K division of
the Metropolimo Turiklay evening, the gth
shoot ii. lock. I went to the homes of Ferdinand
Edward Is ii,. Nob!, the prisoner, at 4, Iloy•street, PIMA-
tow 3131,11. I there saw the prisouer and his wife, the
female .losepli Wi:liains, her brother. I
inquired of them if a German nem woo mistiog from the
house. Th.... 110 prisoner told there was a t Dung man whom
they eilhat Jobb, and whose acquaintance he (the prisoner)
hail iliail...l conga recent passage from I tio,burg to London,
was told me the miiising young man was a
lulu., with Min. and that lie had prevamaly loilged at the
Douse of NI 1.1. WArreci, the last witniks, whose lodging% he
did not lik•-, that when he came away from Mrs. War.
ren's to Irnl,e with bun he had not • halfpenny•worth
of money, and 1...1 'awned hie clothe..
'bairn.. • Did he gay when he la: saw him '.'
Suterintmelent infuirned me that on Thurs-
day lent, the :Iril . net., be left home with I. im in the morning,
and went to the London Dock for the purpose of Molting
fora elm.. hut, there was no ship there of the kind they
wanted. Ili• then stated, that after :outing the Loudon
Dock, they l the pr:snoer and the young man) went into the
upper pin of the Commercial-road about 1 o'clock iu the
day, and he i the privieer) proceeded into a sugar bakery
there, leaving the voting (lemon in the atrriet---that on his
saturnine to the street be mimed Lim and made sward,

aluir bim but could sot God him, mid had so 4 emu him
mina.

I'he Chairman—Did homy anything more?
Witatvw —He (the priaooer)afternmtle said he had been
to b..vertos 110.1 the body baud io the !sects, end
WY not nue.tt WO that at "John," uit bad 'no handl;
but the trousers were him his. I then mot the primmer,
• eab, socompasied by Mt. Inspector Nightiop.l., to meet
me at toe Point°, Station.

Heury Lee, a youth about 18, was the sent witness. He
said—l live at No. 2, Huy-street, Plaistow-marshes, and am
a labour :r. Ou last Thursday morning, the 3rd inst., about
to o'clock, I was at work at Plaistow, and I saw the male
prisoner and the young man "John," whom I believe to be
the deceased, walking aloes the river wall, near the sugar-
house towards Bdvertow•, That was io the dins:dim from
London. I made • remark to the man who was working
with me, that they were the two men whom I had amen at
Zutch's, where I lodged. I h►ve not seen the young man
Knee. He had on a dark dress and was of fair complexion.
1 kuew him by aight. I have frequently spoken tote other
man. tt e prisoner at the bar.
The Chairman—How far should you uy it would bottom
the spot where you say you saw the deceased and the male
primmer, to the reeds where the body was found!
Toe witness-1 should say it would be about four
minutes' walk.

The Ciabruaa—What further happened' Hid you see
the prisocer again!
The trainees —I saw the prisoner at half-past 4 oo the
af terra.° of the same day (fituralay), and he said to me
that the young man was missing. I replied to him, "I saw
you and the young num this morning, about 10 o'clock,
walking by the river bank." The prisoper said writing at all
is repli. He afterwards told me that las had gone to London
in the wonting. and be (the prisoner) went into a sugar
house and left the young man outside, nod when he came
out the young man (meaning the deceased) was goes, and
that when be returned home he found the young man's
domes were gone.
SerLeaut Brigley, 65 S division. was then Galled. lie
said—At about a quarter to 2 yesterday afternoon I received
wformatiou of the body being found. 1 went to the river
beak cTposite tie graving dock on the North Woolwich
road. t.la the path between the reeds I saw the heedless
body of a man about Zii) yards from the bank. He had one
baud :ytug across his breast, and the other lying by his side.
There was a mark or 'adaptation in the soil earth as if
where tie back of the Lead had been, and there was a
small portion of the Wain on the ground close to where the
neck must have laid.

The Chairman—The marks you saw in the earth would
be where the bead had rested before it was cut off

The wither—Yee. 1 examined the body and searched
hts pockets. la the left-hand trousers pocket I found a
fartbiog wrapyrd in a piece of paper. In the other pocket
there Ins a small piece of paper upon which there were
some :ermin words. There was a small piece of white
shirt lytog under the body by the left arm. On the shirt
woe marked "0. B. 6." I had the body removed to the
Graying bock Tavern and the prisoners were arrested on
the charge of having Tavern,
concerned in the murder of the
man.

The Chairman—Did they say anything?
The witness—The male prisoner was cautioned in the
usual manner. He mud, " I know wall where I wee on

The Chairman—Lid he not sav the hour or day
The 'tithe. —He did not. The prisoner's clothes were
then removed sod a fresh suit given to him.
The Chairman (to the penman—Will you uk this wit-
ness ..ny questiuts

The inZe Prisoner—No (shaking hie bead).
Tale Chairman inquired of the potioe whether the head of
the drat wen bad been found?

Mr. :,uperintrudrut Howls, said that the bead bad been
found et eight o'clock Chet morning, about thirty yards from
where t..e lvdy was fuutoi. They had not had time to have
the bead aim:wind. but the medical gentlemen would make
the usual poet ii,rtern summation in due course.
It was stated that the head Iris buried& few inches under
the ground, and discovered by Inspector Good, of the
Thames police, and that there were several rat•holes is the

Sergeant Clarke, of the Detective Department of Police,
was then called as a witness by the bench ; but he stated
that his evidence was incomplete, se be had not had suffi-
cleat time to investigate the matter, and hoped that his
testimo:4 would be postponed.
Alter some brief couverwation,
Mr. Supenotendent Howie suggested that as there was no
evidence to criminate the female prisoner, he had Weak that
she sbould be diacharged.
The Chairman concurred, and said she would be at once
discharged ; but with regard to the male prisoner, he would
be remanded to Ilford poi for further examination.
The pri,oner (Karl Kuhl), in briskest English, was under-
stood to say, " What for ? Can't it be settled now r
The Chairman—You, Kohl, are charged on suspicion of
having camed the death of the decreed man John Fuhabup,
and we remand you for further inquiry upon that charge.
The female prisoner was at once removed from the bar, and
was carried away to a swoon by her brother, her mother
being also in attendance.
The male prisoner was then handcuffed and taken to
Ilford Gaol in a cab, in charge of Inspector Nightingale and
Constable 312 K. A large crowd of persons were in the
neighbo4rhood of the court, and it was with some difficulty
that the prisoner could be conducted to the cab.

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