The Express.
London, England, 1863-06-30 00:00:00

POLAND.

Earl RUSSELL said—Before the orders of the day are pro-
ceeded with I wish to make an appeal to my noble friend
(the Marquis of Clunteards) with regard to the
C:nwhich he prepense to more for. The two
mentioaed is his sotios, gamely, " The ar-
mlet note of Lord Castlereagh to the plenipotentiaries of
the mopes, at Vienna, dated 12th January, 1815," and
"The reply to that note of Prince Metternich and Baron
Wersenberg, of 21st January, 1815," are both cootaieed
the papers which were kid on the table of your lordships'
hem by command the other day. The third paper,
namely, " The note of Prince Taßeyrand, the Primes
Metternich upon Poland, dated 19th December, 1814," was.
I believe, printed in the elate papers, and is not included
he the papers which 1 presented. If my noble
friend chooses to move for It, it can be pre-
seated, and then it will come as • regular
deernment before this home. I understood this morning
that it was the intention of my noble friend to raise
• debate on this question. Now I must ask my noble
friend not to bring on the discussion at the present moment,
feeling otworinoed that to do so would be very injurious to
the public interest, and that it would seriously separate
the responsibility of them wbo are charged with the ma-
segment of public attain The positim of the matter is
this. There have been notes presented at St. Petersburg by
the ambassadors of Banked, Fiance, and Austria,
sad those despatches were only forwarded to Prince Cart-
eliskoff on Friday or Saturday last—l think on Saturday.
Prince Gortchakoff said that he would take the orders of
the Emperor with regard to them ; but no opinion whatever
has been given upon their contents. I cannot but think
that under these cirmioneances a discussion might seriously
mjndis the propositioaa of the three governments, and I
her my noble fried will wait at least until we hear farther
es the subject. Meanwhile there can be no action on the
pert of bet Majesty's goverment—sad I suppose the noble
bird wishes to prevent any adios on the part of the govern-
ment that is likely to be taken aatil some reply ia received.
Therefore my noble friend, by postponing his motion, would
ma no rink of the ptvernment being allowed to adopt mea-
sures of which this house might not approve. Of come
my noble friend is aware that whoa the answer is received
it will be immediately premeted.
The Marquis of CLAHRICARDE —I cheerfully and
gladly comply with the request of my noble friend, and T
should not think of say* anything at all on the "object to
which be has referred, bat I shall ask leave to withdraw
my *dice. I most say that I nee the word " gladly" ad.
Madly. My noble friend and her Majesty's government
met feel that indepeadent members of parhameot are
now relieved from that responsibility, which I for one think
rested on them, to notice the propositions which have beers
stated le the other house of parliament to have bees made,
farther with the iotimatioo that no injury would arise to
the public service from any discussion of those propositions.
I should have thought that if the house bad been silent
after what I have sow stated had taken place, we should
be UMW honour sad good faith to have oonsidered ourselves
hound by that same beooeforth more or less. I can
mare my Bade Mead that Doman could more gladly leave
the question in the heads of my noble friend at the bead of
the government than I do, but I do think that the position
eel the government is, after what has occurred, so very novel,
that the question owe be dimmed. Feeling relieved from
all respossibility 14 the matter, I shall most gladly with-
draw my motion.
The Earl of DERBY—I can, of come, have no objection
te the course which the noble marquis is pursuing ; and I
Mink that after the request made by the noble earl oppo-
dee, it would be impossible for him to take any other mutes.
At the same time I have amy Maim impression that if
berry were to be doss to the public service by
Menssios in this house, injury must also be dose
by dimasioo in the other house. (Hear, hear.) It
would be • great convenience if the principal
members of the government connected with foreign
affairs in the two houses bad some little concert with each
other as to what would, and what would not, be injurious to
the public service. (Hear, bear.) The noble earl appeals
to the noble marquis to postpone his motion on the ground
that ik discarioa would be prejudicial to the public service.
Bat when • motion is mode to postpone discussion in another
place, up gets the Prime Minister and says be has not the
slightest objection to Mansion. and that no injury can be
done by it. He actsally votes against the postponement
of discuesios, and, being left in a minority, sod the question
not then coming on. be takes the unusual course of ex-
plaining the whole of the lions—propositions
which are at this moment resrvd for future contideratioo.
(Hear, hear.) I guppies we must adopt the doctrine
at the earl that it is dangerous to Mem this 'Ab-
ject in the Home of Lords, although. according to the
Prime Minister, the question is one which may be discussed
is the Hones of Coatroom with impunity, and without the
slightest prejudioe to the public service. (Hear, beer.) I
mama I is at • lom to recoiled' the different views of
time two high authorities (bear, beer)—but I suppose
that is this boom we must bow to the authority of the
noble earl. At the mere time I entirely concur in the
view of the noble marquis that it we do keep silence on
this question it is at tins request of the government, and we
are thereby relieved from any responsibility fur the
bonne which is taken. I will not now eater into the
question, but I cannot help Raving that the circumstances
of the present time appear to me likely to be productive of
so much difficulty and embalmment, that I think
the house would not have done its duty if it had entirely
kept silence but for the simnel request of the Secretary of
State, who is himself mainly responsible fur the conduct
of foreign often*. (Hear, hear.)
Earl RUSSELL—I take entirely upon myself the remon-
sibility of asking my noble friend not to bring on this mo-
tins. He may draw any inference that be pleases
from my making that request. Ido so oat my own respon-
sibility, being charged with the special direction of foreign
affairs. I do not think it at all necessary to defend the course
taken by my noble friend in the other house. (Laughter.)
A particular come may have been expedient ten days ago,
though It may aot be expedient now.
The Earl of DERBY—I think the difference wbieh hs
bees referred to ran only be reconciled in one way, which
is by supposing that mach greater attention is paid to any-
thing which falls from your lordships in this house than to
what occurs in the other home. (A laugh.) It is only is
that way that the difference mu be reconciled. Hear.)
Earl GREY—I hope that that is the proper interprets.
Mee, and that it is sot that this house is supposed to he so
wanting in jodgeneat sod discretion that it cannot be trusted
to the woe inked as the °thee home (Laughter.)
The motion was then withdraws.
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