The Express.
London, England, 1855-03-20 00:00:00

THE VS:PAESS, TUESDAY . EV)

whoa we Were *sporran idesity ee thirty millions more,
than Let year. He wee perlielly weedy to inept his share
of bhise that might Mesh this beespesp:ol:baste4
the misiellis el Mg year ; bet the midis
last kWh to the beam, besiege ■ wee this stated to them
by the Moeller ef the Ideelberer that he had a ',Akita%
.Mat to mast the enigma.. el he public service. la
that state of the ems, it was set ee eery improper for the
hike to pees a ressistios VASIO,OOOI., oat of the kr-
piss Seesaw width was he assist, to an experi-
ment whichwas believed te greet educational raise.
Now, the ease wee eatinly difonst. It was impossible to
conceal, at the punt moment, that the expenditure of
this year week awed by way 'shine ally sum which
they meld liege to esteem from the mummy by tkaties.
Nothing mesh be men kaiaks to the credit of the
eessby Om he them to Ole way to the esdeedess of
penis*, by rivalled as weirder and isessvmdest ten
at die make eltbk mess*. He would rather whisk le
say
had sr megemidbillty that Wild ankh so the hewn
he shades setreeting its reilhies. and seethe the
isesermeheas wide h might esid, makes the Chasedise of
the Hasbegwie held manly hie restaties so este hawk so
less is the reverse.
Hr. 81t101IT did set Walt they seed be se keds idbeid
about a little reverse. Wises the resoled= of lest suedes
was poised the war had commenced ; end the house wall
hew that when the goversesset was foolish eseapb, or
wished emests, te get the country into a war, there was so
the Uthelliss that might be aecessery. As million
were islet by the house, night after night, he was sot Mee
=to leek ea this 10(1,0001. es an insuperable objesdeses
ty la the :ante the measure. But, in fast, ill=
ON
a quedsm a la the first place, it was
ibis essay whet be the loss. So hog sa the pipes
Neeeimed ed, mesh might be mode up is that way; sal
di
hiked sender were allowed to go through the pest let a
metals asseest, a good deal would he seised. Bee it
was a he bights question whether a reselisties guiseed
by the blase eisanieseusly last essaies should he
adhered te sr set, cad elk whether the law,
whatever it wwwea,. should be fairly sod equally administered.
The late CharesMs of tee Nachequer had examined this
*sided k his add asperity, perhaps more minutely tisk
any ethee member ei the hoses. The present Chassidim of
the isabefeee bed meshed it, mad they had come to the
knelesks irk* lb. Odeon, Mr. C obden, himself, and
fiber. wise led *smirk the subject, had some us a ha
time beta*, sem*, that the law was in sock a politica
that it wee ihypeselhe be it to be worked by the authorities
at flemerset Rouse, aad that however the boils might ob-
jest to bee the press, they wield be obliged to do it, be-
cause it was impossible to carry oat the existing law. For
the lase two se three years the questios bad covered them
all with tidiest', and had involved the officers who were to
eery coat the law in every descriptioe of coutusioa. the
were Sot to alterplaw, the law, and were to give the
7(ieseral positive orders to prosecute everybody
who Melee the law, the Attorney-Omeral wadi see be
Adersey-Geueral tamorrow. There was no me es
either ate the hew—he hoped there woe se sass
k the Inglids bpi pesiessise—who work hid
the ease d AtlerserGeserel, sad would askethe to
rileilintevweat one huadred, but far more then twebsedesl
pumas "be were now engaged in publishing papas veldeb
sift mar within the limits of the existing law. Ile did
sethiak there was much is the proposal for securing copy
slight se newspapers; bet he had no objection to say
ISt=as the subject that might be equitable, though he
was unnecessary, and would be found to be of no
sea. It had been suggested by Mr. Gladstone that mere
paragraphs of news would not be pirated, but that leading
mingles might. But the law itself patio difficult ins the ,
way of that; because leading *finks might be pubhed
without a stamp at present ; and any paper might appear at
10 o'clock ia the morning, givicg, if it dime, the leading
articles from all the morning papers. Bat he did not think
such a paper would have a large circulation ; for everybody
shrank from purchasing or having anything to do with that
which had upon the face of it a mean or shabby appear-
anal. And be was of opinion that it was not
leading articles which sold newspapers, judging from the
shingles of information which they generally displayed.
(A laugh.) Be found it stated in a Cambridge paper that a
project was on foot amongst the men who were most active
in the movement against the newsraper stamp, for bringing
-11 o'clock in the day, cow

rpeer, beer.) 11. (Kr. Gibson) ion sapper the bill,
Wien onderour to odd to it such improveletota as
i=lit thissibis dna, its passage through tars boss.
sr . heirowa, that he did sot think it to good •
wears as drat Of the in-Chumellor of the Riabequor.
Mr. J. WORIKOIII wood with Kr. Gladeter es to OM
inisabilsty of all pralines" bahg trassaitted through
is pest at the same raiser rpm& He thought. bow-
iled MOM*, West
er/ tlst the moan eir NS le b
brew] re bees brought for
Mr. WARM= add theneir ean es* he two opinions as
le the dosiraltdry of reforming the low so to as +spawn ;
bat he coarser say aroma to Abed kaoreased (eoliths
/sr seeding them thangh is Nantes to this "unataro.
At groat the Weemilie of eispepers • lea
se tle revues, ad that less Mal ail et this *maw to
be leaser ri. (Hat, boas.)
Mr. BKNTINCIL viand the sereale en ease ilie-
trust, for it son eel he denied that libel a Any
Weseneblonas to the et the late Chemseikr skim .
It was
din to war ea *labs at the messum mew ;
bat he most dismal toss the stalemost of Mr. Gibson. that
Os km to ties re
meek probably be more than melt-
It:iolf the teseibisa of other printed =attar. Ha
tho sew rffiffird ens would ho shirty of a keal
ebarfortst. sad wen MO drunks, beyond it plea when
they were petaled. Is barged the woman would oar
pleat, revolutissis the prom, and would de-
stroy the ourines st pia against the liars
of the prow Hi IWOg ire hums take ears that the I
measure wee eo dieted es to glee sallikat Ns ties, not
eelto tiro on lbeassire, but te illoe polfa
r. KIRK sit •la hi Mosta eseineleilies heel
poise earated with aktepepthll al di *aims of *kw, '
sad they uniateilly teadin the bill that wee at first
isweduced.
The CHANCELLOR of the RICHRQUER said he
bad saran ly emehilseri the loan queries ; and ho
lei so doubt It bed hew etheiderod by Mr. Oladsuros.
This was act peaky a Ersaiial gesstion. (Hear, bear.)
As le In alimaly MOM to the brow, the glister lee
with weeper W the = at waspaper had boa
brought into a mks* awl thomaleas etas/. by a
othemaion of indagpares web In the besets et ace rbmis
slam el pubdratiee& (Nosra WO Ake sonseqessis bed
bar,that tte realms diked, skied in the admikeithe
ties of the passant law. The asset of Isised leverses
were pap:reed by is effiewest publinsir whisk wee set
up, os It 113,7* Nillise of tie salidsg_law • wismerow
wessepeadeae6 tee& piss hem= Mr. Tims 4, the soil.
Or to the bode sod the peepoistsw of dike's* mew
lapses. Ituae althea* bad !mm hems to time been tomork
take the coseksealika of tbs Isms, sad become the stab-
lest of debate; sad tho AttsseopOsserel wee constaatly
mabostromed in the sideistaisi of is law He won give
the haw as sample et Ile moss whisk mew There wee
• paper put .ishod is Inn nod ths ChnuasecialJosern
and /W NW, llesell. It was kr the most part of a literary
shearer, :net did she whelly Wks& main of intent-
'geho and a prosecution was Weeteesed modem
llier for prating it ea unronffied paciiebyThe=
tamed a cif list roast the stews,
their opinion, notwithsrading the pups did awilis Male
sew& that it was act a newspaper, lie
Veiled mourn
being of a &finest character. The kith AmessepOssesal,
kis, was ~.tee , stated that in he splits the waif& was
sot Justifier.. by the law ; nearthissole essuent et she
difficulty of obtaining a vadat, be did est reassmead a
resewal of the proration. The Solisher.Geroml whey
be prepared. at a future stage of the bill, to ratite the
bore the practical dimity he (and is performiao his
duties with respect to the proarttioa of newspapen said
the Irina'. Ina of the oaleting law. If the bore should
iris the this rearms war not to be abordord—
id grimly it was not the office of • Cherwell's
Of tits Each. quer, a* a moment when the 'reedit's' r-
ani the renew, to press epos Habra the abaskosimied
el wriest—the Attorney-Genotal world be peopieul to
*ow the dfficulties which arroundod the rearm of tbe
alisting lii ve. It would bo treaseary to take Meilleine
egkest about 100 elms publications, which, 'hash sow
pablithieg iterary sews, lard sews, seedier new% end
Mews of vsf I we descriptions interesting to differeet nark
Ongh sot p dried mews. did strictly MOM within the teems
albs am of oarlisatiat, but by the iadaleenee of the "mew
inn had for some yaws bora eximpted from the Operas
lira of the saws. If it plowed tko hoar to reject the bill.
en Continue the newspaper steep, be trusted they would
Is prepared to support the Attorney-General in the mew
• Ike of Os law, and if neeeseary, to pen a declaratory ow
eahrkisf set. in order to amend the defects of the 'listing
kw. He "paid call attention to another example of the
41111solties *bleb encumbered the present law. The solicitor
to the Board of Inland Revenue, being examined before •
mausittee on the subject of class publications, end asked why
they were not /abject to it asopulsory stamp, inadvertently,
instead of saying that they were exempted because they were
addressed to a patina ekes of the community, said that
they woes remitted because they related only to one sub-
jest. (Hear, bear.) la giving that resod he made a slight
snot. That error bad been taken up ia diffsreat parts of
the reentry ; and • amber of periodicals bad appeared,
eastainieg ',alligator relatifs/ exclusively to the war—the
Weir Telsrr lA, the War Fly Shorts, and others—which
they said war one "abject, and they set the Board of Inland
Rearms at defiance. He bold la he hand a publication of
that nature, called the War fly Shoe, dated the 28th
February, 1866, prated co a half-sheet of paper, and sold
at a halfpenny ; ander the title was appended the following
otatient :—'• Published in accordance with Mr. Korth's
wale 0f113.i1, that a paper confined to one subject is not a
newavaper, and in spite of Mr. Keogh's change of opinion
in 185 i, for the pupae of anoruiniag whether a proclama-
tion from Somerset-boss bat the subs validity as an not
of parliament." (Hear, hear.) There was no doubt at all
that this publication was a newspaper. It wee strictly sub-
ject to the c ”opalsory statute. At present the armada of
these war sheets was not considerable ; and in the unsettled
aro of the law effecting the newspaper stamp, he thought
the Hosed of Inland Revenue had remised a wise diem-
tion in abotamiag from prosecuting these clots journal,. If,
however, the house should decide that the present law war
to be upheld, it would be the duty of the Attorney-General
immediately to prierente those publicatiors. He sea-
Hord these facts merely to show that the government was
placed in a situation of great difficulty in upholding and
adialaisterino ea preset l‘w ; that it was not simply a
question on' ther they would ur would not retain 200,0001.
Of revenue, bat whither they would enter upon a crusade
m slat a large poetise of the erring newspaper pres, for
the sake of aeAeelsg • law which ...rid only be enforced
by the verdicts et juries, sad the result of which in cone'.
quanta was in MIMI aura'. uncertaien These were the
reasons which bid iniesesed the government in the
erne they had maim smil it would be for the brae to
determine w hobo" they his exercised a sound dimities.
Mr. 0 LAD,aOIIII sail be felt, and he thought the com-
mittee would feel, Ad the thief part of the financial re-
sponsibility of this 11111110111141 redid upon no other reran
then himself ; therefore he wished to add • word in refer-
egos to what had lakes fees Sir F. T. Baring. The Chan-
cellor of the lisetsoryon bad psiabil out that tho present
stn e of the law was soot a
_theoretical absurdity, but
that it entailed plelltiell MiSMIIII in its administration
which bad reward en a pitch that they might fairly be
said to be Ortolan.. Not oil) were the difficulties so great
that the genera with the Board of Inlaid
Revenue weer sollitte amlirigs their duties to tho pub-
lic, but the seem erbith led assn wed were so frequent and
of so glaring • sodas. la to bring all law whatever into die-
arr. The very eildblisa ef the government in contact
with parties in a theme :tessiVeglag, and exposed to
questions to which it was to mike tolerable, not
to say satisfactory repiks► was a very strong reason
why the banes shin deal with the vitae.
Bat the goverthsest we. sot the only party eon-
war. The bore itself was preciosity resporiblo
for the introduction of this sesesse. (Hear, hear.) Last
year a discuseir is mind by Mr. Gibson ;and the house
awe to a ret.letiss, aid apes the suggeetion of govern-
ess*. sew with the oneirsgemest of government ; indeed
W ism of the gwerameat was • dissuasive one ; and it was
aim des the Mang ark unanimous Baltimore of the
hese that the grobiest gave way, than from thinking
Oaths wens schen woe a ewe and prudent course. But
what had both dies et the boom thought fit to dot (Hear,
hear.) Bath Kir of the booos—without • warning voice,
at arms elms Ole esaatey was at war, and when they
must have lira thetas bins of that war wen sure
to swell born the roviairen thee was made' liberal as it
was—choso se pees a neolaties ao the, effect that the laws
welatiag to
.IsPers was isnielhatly defined, and were
partially ei
of Rs wss aet um who thought it tho
duty iliac • assist •f di ire aof • stirrer of tho
erowa to do &make whisk tbe kiwis dim to order; sad
so a meat iat he at kw berm thought
rather eiatawrisal Walk smut to the whims of she
Moth Baliffinsfk who kleoppiseed the peoskse of pap.
puke aliesmeskees. Instead @ldeas, with peassisel
yst if the hems those to adept that Mars, tel ley
ownl6 'driblet, Med express its in that the law should
be cheigekhe WI that it mu Ohs dal et a minister of
the was is do all ia kb powzittrate ~ to the wishes
deo Imo. sad to Is* teethst did not tavola
pester pistils WNW Mini between Idea sad the disarms
of that duty. If, these he wee the duty of the gewromeat
to coosidar enthe allesoltas of the law, soak thosight hoa.
harm* sai
dmm say mak ef king thet Mimeos frees
that unsai by Ms laweramese eat gages' by him a
kw eisebe ago 1 Veal seem* la lie boase—weahl the
bss. rawaber eppekto (Hr. Ilaslbii), alba segos
NA Magma eameffeeass toga Os diasafilaa, sea wife
assaamai laiha areladea sr la* maim,
balm
reiblaks Mm do law ameba flif be sairmaa so Marliak it
*aft k MOO sidegess 1 Hear, lass.) If *beakless
Mssad foade aglow vim to be Whoa to ammo,
Ohl& Tama spa Nig rag pallid itelibes. sad in whisk ,
keel sowidensiew wave st sseemdery imaipila% be beteg
that those who mak there eljosisas would met obeli& trove
declaring thek polkw is Ile estates gamoisa, fal woad
point or al alpf.eamermag bow they wok to haw pew
seeded ia ardor to Ws Abet to the resekelea el theheath
These were the pektrwkiii tkeim ha the son
mitts* to keep is via/. It geoid amide gsollemea who
had seasoned in Whig dews sok spew the gms
*oars* the amenity se ellioirg thslow be take the lama-
&l atipatles, sal at the lam Om Id rebus Irma sada,
the viamis in whisk they Mimi the necktie' ot the beam
to to seeded out. (Hem. hem.)
Mr. LAING had a /soy Mae objestisa to thy Proposal
foe remitting tawny es looms awl ea fit. fa the
plasm nate et the wesewo. (Ifeakkair.) As air us re-
pots& the fiesdkile digit of Mb olimorea be .limed be
melds
sled to see It slisted. fa eskeekt diamsleams, er
• - midi awoke erre! IMO use Ea orgifsallia et It whisk
lie Weald mom len ter tlNkfMe weetats, whisk
hs ttamilit emit kayo siosikekilmalls. Bat
lbws Wine amp pamma
le Is that; art ass vs", ast
W "611 141014 ay OW goy *mai wham,*

ric
• y exiiislit hies the faun had taken plea, without
g Mon to any nbterfuge. He recollected the open
ihtinh
sod Meal way in se bath the right hoe. gentleinee avowed
—as he was pleased to call it—of the conversion
et is Snows, and he thought the bon. baronet (Sir
H. by) was entitled to the thanks of the haute for
othillogiellesetion to the subyeet under 'onside:adore. I i was
a esthiseksl great importance, and be trusted that the state
mono tenet bad ben made that might would ban the
effees amain the hone more vigilant in nob matters in
Man (Hoer hear.)
Mr. WILSON said that the hon. gentleman who had last
"pokers rose to put a question to him, sad he would 'odes
Vest soy briefly to give him a satisfactory answer. In the
liseepthee, however, he heartily concurred with the closing
ennead= of the hon. gentleman, that the house was in-
debted fer the hon. baronet for even at the eleventh hour
the
'Session of the house to a announce eo in-
sad so important, and be sympathised very much,
with him when he regretted that these discussions were to
be canted on in mother place, where there was an absence
of pawns intimately acquainted with the details. (Hem,
hear.) He wished the hon. baronet would exercise his
vigilance still more, so that no misrepresentations might
hereafter take place in reference to such transactions. The
hes. gentlemen said that if there were oce more'
certain this another, it was that the I,l76,oooquestion more
certain this another, It was that lbs 1,176,0001. of Exche-
quer Bills, which were now the subject of ductusion, wen
as completely and as irretrievably added to the permanent
debt of the country as any Ina ever made. He (Mr. toil-
en) totally joined issue with the hon. gentleman on this'
pent. He proposed not only to show that it formed no
part of the permanent debt of the country, tut still more to
show that out of the taxation of the put year—out of the
peeisese of the year—the whole expenditure had been paid,
esi that the country bad not been debited with one
ingle shilling on account of the expenses of the past
pear. (Cheers.) Ia support of these assertions he cited a
great number of figures and returns, snowing the amount
se the outstanding floating Nenrities, the receipts of reve-
nue, and the general state and prospects of the national
exchequer.
Mr. GLADSTONE said that, as he was a party to the
transaction Refund to, he would saeery few words upon
this very small question, which bad bun magnified sentries-
eerily into a very great one—the renewal of 1,760,0001. Ex-
chequer Bills. The hon. baronet stated that on the Gth
Marsh last year be (Mr. Gladstone) said that authority had
been given for the nee of those Exchequer Bills, with the
inteation that they should be redeemed out of the first
ty moie of the double income tax. He (Mr. Gladstone) was
card 01 at that time to explain that he did not ask for bath '
the 1,750,0001. and the moiety of the income tax, but that,
whoa he got the 1,750,0004 he should only keep it, or au
much of it as might be wanted, until he got the Income
tax, and thee be should be ready to part with it. But
that date, the 6th of March, was nut the time when pron.
sloe was aids for the finances of the year. Whether it was
lenient in the government, having determined to send a
Mahon expedition to the East, to come and ask the house
Se provide for its oat, was a question he would not now
imam; but the provision made on the 6th March was not
II deny as through the year, it was only to defray
the cost of sendisiff that expedition, independently of
actual military openness. The statement with respect to
the responses of the year was made on the Bth May ; and
then, when the complete plan was produced, he (Mr. Glad-
stone) distinctly sad specifically stated, and read the figures
to the house, that he should want both the doubled income
tax and the 1,750,0001. Alter having stand to the house
the financial necessities of the country upon that day, the
Bth May, he did, in his extreme anxiety to make the matter
intelligible, draw up • cash account, or balance-sheet, ea-
Wily distinct from the usual statement of the Chancellorof
the Exchequer, as to the expenditure of the year, and the
tans by which he proposed to provide for it ; and he be-
hoved that no other Chancellor of the Exchequer upon any
former occasion had made such au attempt to enable the house
to understand the exact position of the government as to its
command of cash. The right hon. gentleman then quoted
his own speech of the Bth of May last, proving that he did
tell the hoses then, distinctly, that he must have the
doubled income tax, 3,300,00 W.. and that he must also have
the 1,750,0001. of Exchequer Bills, which were voted on the
6th of March. He was sure that, after this, the boo. ba-
ronet would not anus" him of having kept back anything
"s the subject. Bat it might be said that be ought then, on
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out • payer, to spies: at 10 or 11 o'cioce ._- (, .... -- _
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posed of the materials published in the various papers of the Bth May, to habitartinngs that ITis -lineation was ".-7-_ -- --- - ---.---• .
dna worming ; and the editor added-" The very idea of to resew them Nerehogweryeille this year. If he had done to De advanced out of the seentleg reverse of the year ; and
Hs wee in the spring of 1855, the house found that this was • per-
lea Away is revolting." This was • piper which had so, he "NM have bees putty of the greatest folly.
tioa of what might be celled the permanent debt of the
~111 the securities the law required not to libel any at Anna proposing that these :millions and a half should
tidy, end yet it charged peruse with doing what was dn. be gaged at the command of government to meet an cottony. Was any one sunrise& to find that a boa. mem-
honsenble-in fact, absolutely revolting. This very pano unforeseen expenditure, and be had no right to assume ber had Wes forward to call attention to what be coosi-
was copied into the Glob of the 12th of Muth, and that the renewal of thine bills would be needed at W. dered a violation of faith on the part of the 'ministry ? The
Cl:linty the following musing in the Times. The Gine The hon. palletise said that the attempt to raise by taxes right bon. gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) expressly said they
itself, corning out at 3 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon, and the surplus expenditure of the was within the you had were supply bills, and he might have afterwards stated that
filling its columns to • great extent (with the exception of proved an utter, irretrievable, and unmixed failure. That be couldl no longer include them in that category, but no
• few advertisements which it got from the Treasury) with oracular dot:slue-lon, which the hon. gentleman had net statement of that kind was ever made.
paragraphs and matter which somebody with the help of • supported with any reason or any facts, was an utterly an- Sir F. T. BARING could not allow the debate to close
without saying tome few words. It wes owing to the vigilance
Pod ie of sCissOrS had extracted from the remaing Intelligible posit. He (hie. Gladstone) could not under-
pins" - (laughter) - was sot in a very different stand the hon. gentleman's meaning. It was, indeed, • qua• of a noble friend of his that they owed this discovery-a vigi-
position ; for there was not much diffiliene• be- lion worthy of the attention of the house bow far it was lance which ought to shame the House of Common!. A
tween doing that at 3 in the afternoon and at 11 possible to meet the necessary expenditure of the war by certain amount of Exchequer Bills was voted under parti-
la the mooning. (Hear.) Seeing that nobody objected tarn to be raised within the Tear; that wog a vital subject cular circumstances, and the circumstances being changed,
to this measure, he hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer of national and financial policy, the government had, without announoement, added those
and he (Mr. Gladetoae)
would bring in the bill, and get it through the borate se would be the last man to deprecate its discussion. Ito was Exchequer Bills to the permanent debt. The an-
ises es possible. The root uncertainty kept hundreds of aware that all attempts to forecast the expenditure mar was, that a proper anaonneement had been
poem in extreme difficulty and confusion ; those who sup. of the war mast be in • great degree futile made of the change of the intentions of govern-
= end those who opposed the change were equally in be never pretended to off,' any estimate of the meat. He need not repeat what passed in Much,
then being then a distinct pledge that these Exchequer
as to what arrangements they should make for the war expenditure m reliable in the same sense that
Patio. A paragraph in a Glasgow paper stated that three estimates were during peace. He could take but one Bills should be paid out of the current ,bat the
new pesos were asaouaced for publication there as soon as wares, to mote a bona fide statement, and it wee this-to right bon. gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) said he gave an
the duty came off, two at a penny, and one at a halfpenny. urge on hie colleagues connected with the greet depart- explanation on the Bth of May. He had read through bis
(Laughter.) In Mannester, also, preparations were making went/ of expenditure that in every instance they aboeld speech on that occasion, and could not find any announce-
ment that the right hon. gentleman had changed his
tor starling • daily paper. He entirely dimmed with the present outside estimates-his right hon. friend near him
Chancellor of the Exchequer as to there being a large crop; (Sir J. Graham) would bear this out-and then, upon such intentions. A relative of his subsequently raised a debate
he believed there would be a very large crop, though many outside estimates, he thought it his deity to ask the house for on the state of the finances, in the course of which it was:
of them might not produce much fruit. In say cue the a large vote of credit; god over and above that vote if stated that government had raised a loan by issuing en
Gooier the bill pawed the better. Some of the best' and credit, the bones was waked by him to give the government millions of Exchequer Bonds ; but if the house had known
most influential of the prevlocial papers had net opposed the command of a large additional amount of money. Well, that, in addition, 1,750,0001. of Exchequer Bills had been
the attention ; he might instance the Leeds Mercury and those estimates had been exceeded ; but although we had also added to the permanent debt, how mob stronger would
two of the Manchester papers. Five or tea yeses had • year of war, carried oar with great activity, and with the argument against government have been. He had
hones it would be found that this measure bad done more the extra expenditure, even for war, of • winter campaign, looked through that debate, and could not find that any
ter tie education of the people than all the sums voted by yet the provision made by the forethought of the house hon. gentleman had any notion that the 1,750,0001. wag
parliament ; because while it would relieve all the existing had been very nearly equal to the entire expenditure not to be paid off in the course of the year. Again, at
open, with their large powers of usefulness, it would call it was to cover. With respect to the public debt, nothing the end of the session then was • royal speech, in which
up to their aid a number of others not less useful. The would be more soy than for his. (Mr. Gledetone) to pre- the Queen distinctly stated, " I fully recognise your wisdom
Times had written rather strongly upon this subject lately; sent to fiat hone • statement of the condition of the public in foregoing considerations of preseet convenience and in
but ail y so_far back as the 17th of May lasethe same paper debt at the time when he accepted office, and at the time providing for the immediate exigenco of the war without
bad declared that there was something positively ridiculous when he quitted It. In January, 1863, he accepted office, an addition being made to the permanent debt of the coon.
is taxing the great medium of intelligence. Two Owned- sad if he took the public debt as it stood at that period- irr The explanation which the right kon. gentleman
lore of the exchequer bad agreed that this measure ought to he meant the funded debt-end added to that the unfunded laud he bad made was not reported in the papers.
es brought in and carried ; and he hoped that no one who debt, and deducted from it, of course, the balance in the Mr. GLADSTONE said he was sorry he should have to
looked forward to becoming chancellor of the exchequer Exchequer, midribs thee pursued exactly the same firocess explain what was really said by him on the Bth of last May.
bereafter would have • difficulty like this to grapple with. with it in January jgeb, tieing the fended debt, dking The right lion. gentleman said he (Mr. Gladstone) conveyed
Thus was no getting rid of it but by sweeping the law the unfunded debt, composed as it had then come to be of
on the 6th March the expectation that the Exchequer Bills
aw_sy. two elements, namely, the Exchequer Bills and the Enlace in question would not be renewed, and that ten d not in-
let. PACER observed that it would be a tax en the quer Bonds, and deducting again from it the balance in On plain ea the Bth of May that they would be wed. His
emou towns to receive the newspapers by poet, when they exchequer, which had been reduced in the interval, he answer was teat it wee impossible to give such an ezpians-
sold receive them untaxed by railway. food the the public debt in January, 1855, tion, because he could net know that what he said on the
Sir H. li ILLOUOHBY said that this was mot a fiscal stood at the figure of about two millions less than 6th of March was that 'cording to the plan then proposed
jostles alone. It involved a legal difficulty which the it did in January, 1863, when he took office• they would not be renewed. Inn he said on the Bth of
hawse should set about remedying. The sensible and wise Bat then, It should be recollected that there had May was, that after making full provision for the estimates
mgi.ptilag oat of the difficulty was to extract the been, in 1854, an excess of nine millions of expenditure eon- it was seseat•t7 far him to have • further command of rah
somehow by this mode of taxation, Be did not meted with the immediate Para p„„ of the war a yery to the amount of three millions and a bale and in that
tomeeiv• it would be ney difficult to do so, and instead sof small, he might say an insignificnt, portion of which was further command of nab he included expressly the
losing 200,0001. be bongo the right hon. gentleman the defrayed out of the proceeds of the new taxes. Now, in 1,750,0001. Exchequer bills in question.
Chancellor of the Exabequer would gain 200,0001. answer to the question wkether the effort made by the Mr. LAING expressed an opinion that it was not well
Mr. J. 0. PHILLIMORE said they were called en to house last year, to provide for the expenditure of the war that the government should undertake the duty of banking ,
make the filtration est of regard to tee administratiou offor the savings books. It might be convenient for the
out of the taxes of the year was, or was soca& utter failure, Chancellor of the Exchequer to have the command of two
justice, to the edema& of the people, and their own TO- he would offer a brief statement. It was sot the effort of an
faded rusiodon.or three millions, but he believed that operations with that
individual, or of the government, it was 'the solemn
fund had been attended with has, takes as a whole.'
Er. BIETINCI mid that there was no inconsistency in and formal decision of the House of Commons. The The subject then dropped.
voting for the modes of last year, whisk merely mid that deliberate view they adopted was, not that they
the tabled bootee' the earliest emotion of parliaments Weald register a vow menet any resort to loos, MEDICAL ARRANGEMENTS IN THE EAST.
ri...= .. put resolution, which might be an nor that they
wee of rat
it into effect. If there were any should entangle themselves with Mr. STAFFORD thin rose to call the attention of the
abstract resolution or distinct pledge, but hoot; to the medicsl ananiements for the sick and wounded
certain grabileorisse which dad not pay the tax, it was the that it was their duty to commence the war with a Manful soldiers in the But He said the hon. member oppo-
duty of the goorraseent to vindicate the rights of that Pm' and notate effort, after • liberal estimate of the expenses site (Mr. Peel) had succeeded to an office associated in the
liere=mmidelUd. (Hear, heat.) of that war, to provide for the liquidation of those offenses naiads of the people of this country with the disappointment"
mess then agreed to. out of the taxes of the country. Now, how did the matter of more hope and the infliction of more misery than he bad
Ter ark to Hr. Osumi, stand ? The amount of provision that was made in May. time to picture, and therefore the bon. gentleman must be
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the 1834, from permanent moron was, telling round numbers, prepared to submit to • considerable degree of distrust and
'solutions would be reported to-morrow, and the bill twelve billions if mousy. 01 that aboutten millions con- doubt. Not only was the appointment of the oommittes up
horagla in. slated of taxes newly impend, and nearly two million con- stairs a proof of that distrust, but he might say that the
THE UNFUNDED DEBT. shred of • surplus banded over to the government upon the country had resolved itself into a committee to consider the
Oa the motion for going into committee of supply, estimated revenue, with the taxes as they stood in the pre- best moans of saving the remnant of oar army in the Ease
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said be rose for the purples of vies You. Tbe excess of expenditure, sit was then Another reason for'briegieg this quesn forward now was
alias the attendee of the bone to the state end anon eetiotafed. bad been given by the honourable gen. the necessity for swing their best epergne in their several
Idaho esissiod debt ins lifi-th=1•12,0001-)Ifis forossion_ tlesaa, Mad so doubt correctly, at something over tocalities to assist in raising recruits for the regiments that
mose On daemon el debt •••••••_••••••mmr_o eleven lefahrme. Oat of the twelve millions of ware still to be sent forth, and the best way to assist in that
Slim* dm dui hoosonisootelletto.M7- In.ssi room s"_, tummies. probion or opeatatio at that time, within the dutyto elicit from 'ornament such information that
dee mil inkel debt In meauiliesomm. Ms ii•••_.l. lilt the Posilmout might solim about eight minima. II they wan
ould show their fellow-subjects that it was sot in-
-111•17•Ift /4"0"41' ball 1.111411.111•111 of' WII•lb•••••"` thy alliialb PI d=sloll"ll...__.is beads within the pear., tended they should fling themselves into a posi-
t' knew what wee the asmione of the midinded sight gift wag lisle ololliso to drew oPoo the ids Lion where ail their strength and bravery would only be the
alif.. the wee`PN& 121..,...f0105t.....1i5t P0r1,1116 b1.116.„,.".10 gloated &admit eatiripadeit to the extent of about four cause of more misery to their friends. He had no wish to
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I'm 11"1-'--..--A-Al."4•""'..._.- lialllions ; Sheil theY mils have had, so fez, to pledge make an attack on the government, but the bon. gentian&
hi Mill width mead mike so* 11....M....76 the credit elat gorytry, GA if you please, to create debt- net be aware that weeding to the accounts they received in
bet age se use* as par I' the same as is MI Tao
..._ But siefese dot Mr ssamous_ of the evreditureof the the earliest spring • new phase of diem* might be expected
r lam gloriemen. la age illeadot °a so° yogi, gneenmeri MOTOPOIIain in letting teat portion of to show itself unless government had made preparations to
gibmiManillieseld Ovule% tepilear
eseltea =tit
a. t•
- gbh isoullso. holoisithSt to them, and growing out of the avert it. He took it for granted that the unspeakable bu-
rto tooloostote•-51. =lra Sass, oldelteoald not have been realised on the sth ron of the hospital at Balaklava had to • considerable ex-
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141/41=agoimigr morle,„"ohp the mos birrisat ofaariff I and OM_ ttawelhwetwf to the of
ure of the :::::,:bri:rivwel,aawiciletallts
et: z:.nitaielit:gp:fi is tteeecogneedi:
Muerof the 1101111 bin of the 11.111....... W wiltd.k_.____._."lll6,lllltettlit...._ had bassi arsined within the estimates which were tleman would be able to inform them that some of the
dell PIM *Mt vim" 1
esiiei...oo2•2o " •••••rwm4l..,_ mooted, dories hat ear, we should have bad four mil- wooden huts which had been sent out bad been put up for
le:smbelliiravala. the °env "." live clif SIM by sitielPetkes, we should have the accommodation of the sick and wounded, and thee he-
w lawlumseseev ta" /an "16.2..... bad Ivo odium of mom coming In to liquidate it, and fore tbey wen put on board, some arrangements bad been
Thee_ Weri11.11811,...„ W5........a.iMaia.P.M111.11111......‘,.../aSIZZ "....... .: we *SIM haw bed am Wed serelm of one millions from made to give them nourishment. He believed that if the
a"'"'"‘"f-a"”"r" "'""'s- !in ".."..""... ' midi, to the years over and above lot whole Black Sea were clear sisougb, a stranger might steer his
arm= wpm, rid were es gm mso way sans with ewe war. Bag the ez editors bad gone way from Balsklava to the Bosphorus simply by
in tram en the oalonist debt. Hew was it the°, boint4- -then beads. He ap that if, instead of regarding the skeleton at the bottom of that sea who
lAN rheas isieratArels, that rho sum of 1,760,0001. foe the expenses of the year by means of taxes, had been thrown overboard from our transports. He hoped
the hon. gentleman would be able to say that these trans-
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aline tothethAsksamsofasamiathe
stz,pestbeday wznoldgboainvge
ports after bring kept so long in the harbour of Balaklava,
112101 ue.,,,Ferwew"""....,,, "• "" at/41%ga '''._ wt. what, ,`" dm ta that were placed. The two subjects were were not now so wholly deficient of medical officers that the
war""". "" "-
flrwu VIIIIINLsaIIr "" " lia, "Ziag,"' is AMMO. • ' Sam rotas seemed to think that few that there were were wholly incapable of attending to
Tidiest esigorsonal Piing by taus Ma not ee good, and the sick, and that the debarkation of the sick at Scutari was
!el" h°,.._hei°Bl,„•••ll the,,,_affyirihaeam___, ~..21bilk_ .___,_ raj sit -go so far, as mosey raised by loans• more satisfactory than It wee when he left that place. With
between ,__lwebrifill_,,M;d="""_,,,._ _ewe ••••"•_,‘,_"e°ll,,rg-___ , His imposies was-and be should be ready, at the regard to the
hospital at Scutari he did not know whether
till aftet ne Ewe. ••,,..._._`•"" e"'"''
_r_..2..._•"'''''' l''"" per Sens to °lppon it-tbat mosey raised by taxes the boa. gentleman would be able to state that the condi-
Kr- RICARD° ma nail
WM&
immaimPergilli INS "SU' li• 11010 al far, end wren • little farther ; because the tem of the atmosphere bad been improved, and that it was
the moment le dhows the by
me wheffialif it home would be disposed to keep a shaper watch upon ex- no longer in that condition which it was well known
cop advisable to may ea war by mem& it 111-I.IISA et by prams. raised by taxes, than it would do, upon all nee- bad developed the symptoms of typhus which would
mann 10a11._,,,,__,1fn wet so_____,_slufs67 oss7.______lhs flrs____,..l OW Bina, if that meaty were raised by Maim Bat the *erns- no doubt break out when the weather became warmer.
of these who lill!..• "....1115.W.*.........5a "-WW.M..k. ..ia,..."..WWW its 'ben 11114 gee
bele" dee letilleet• to the =test he He hoped that unless the government were satisfied that •
der Oil mar WPC, , .s. ••••"" vtto"" "...._-__„l.o sws would marelobs. The mem for the year, as it was esti- complete purification of those buildings could be made, that
t at the ems dale ' meemen Mat naiad is Nig bet, moused tors little over eleven millions. CO considerations of expense would prevent the abandon-
ing
tho Pt Islddi Ts 11646161171.1"4"ri 10.1111.111= Tis• WWI mow, as they now bed its °Ma Mir exile' mot done or allot them at ones. The bon. gentleman was
ottani as las Wined it to .b0..40 rides the soggliss, them to ibopiessat flee, with...B6mm onthe
very aware that the late gummiest had established an sapid-
to airy an tfLermi br.-31"---....1411" °ln*. 6.1111111170 tsar of Quo foes du follthfol, Wee motel hospital at Abydos, and that it depended on the re-
ows.l"°•""""'""____„ , ,""47;sols.r_i above folibeeh salimii shisolksh • thess-' 'Wee as ports of the sanitary aeon, whether it would be continued
Me an utter,
. That wee T-ekes sou "mu* °' "' '• own of One liffileil oi espaerlifirie even above the end enlarged or not. That island was on the highway to the
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legit)year. Tbat bollsniesee. would it lot b• billter that tiftta that ha boismelimetit. lint Via dm* the house. Dardanelles, and the hospital was away fro any large
the &ilea amid be ethlitMillini="l". rl is lb lesollionfleiMalliasoos the 1100111"1" without so• town, which wee haportaat with reforms to the
"by not let it be .tbat u waif a'
,t
use
00ela it on
oo
osocoot that usippi. to:lbsen hionsheibesoLlsonsimaibrivimosidthliblealh of higa..blatbs
71,191.=thainted discipline oofftheneecosofeautelesosbe% supsdbiasfeeunrirent
tathewesurerd_in-
tto the perminent 'lobe of the olleibuirt (Seer 'die velar" goodie, sinlivon lip Ili 41.sdillialib the holm ' the nasal, Mr. Omens. He hoped that gentleman would'
The right hoc satiates Mi. EMPlatolsol oda lehlililled a 1041801.desisi• leglisillith lONS berend 04 gin his opisios es the ergedseggi oy sot of wading.'