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general subject. Still. as it was a case of hardship, be
would not oppose, the proposal, or a motion to recommit
the bill, which the committee had delayed until the alleged
uiegularities were ioquired into.
Lord REDESDALE concurred with the motion with or
without amendment.
The motion was then agreed to.
MILLINERS' WORKROOMS AND DORMITORIES.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said no doubt most or all
of their lordships had reed in the newspapers a report of
the coroner's ioqueat which had been held on the body of a
young woman who died in one of the workrooms of Madame
Elise, in Regent-street. At that inquest a verdict was re-
turned to the effect that the young woman had died from
overwork, which had brought on apoplexy, mainly caused
by the foul state of the room in which she worked, and the
foul condition and miserable ventilation of the room
in which she slept. He was not going to enter
into a detail of the suffering undergone by milliners girls.
Since the evident* given in 11142 on the subject various
efforts had been made at different trines to remedy these
evils, and he ventured to bring in a bill which was referred
to a select committee up stain, and by them the bill was
rejected. lie asked the noble earl whether he was not pre.
pared to bring in a bill that should provide for the ventila-
tion and sanitary regulation of the workrooms and dormi•
tories of these young women. That house had recently
passed a bill with regard to bakers There wee some
analogy in the two cases, the number of bakers in London
sad the number of milliners' girls being about the same. The
bill applicable to bakers provided that the medical officer
of the district, or some such officer, should see that the
rooms in which they worked were properly ventilated. white-
washed, and painted, at certain periods of the year. If
only so much were done for these young women, their con.
dition would be greatly ameliorated.
Earl GEtAN VILLE and he was afraid that there was a
great deal of 'offering inflicted on the young women em-
ployed in milliners workrooms, that they were worked ex-
conies hours, and that the rooms they worked in were
badly ventilated. When the noble earl introduced a bill it
was referred to a select committee, and they heard a great
deal of evidence, dad be thought it was well made out by
competent witaemee that there would be extreme difficulty
in earning out practically any bill of that sort.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY asked if the noble earl
could not introduce a ball similar to that relating to the
batten
Earl GRANVILLE said government had no intention to
brims in a bill. There would be great difficulty in carrying
out any inspection and there would be this difficulty, that
if persona were subject to inspection they would be induced
to employ workers who did not sleep on the premises. That
would be attended with come advantage, inasmuch as the
workers would thereby obtain outdoor exercise, but there
would be the obvious disadvantage of young women being
turoed out at unmemorable hours of the night to find their
way home.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY—It is desirable that the
subject should be discussed.
Earl GRAN'irILLE said, perhaps the noble lord would
himself bring is a bill.
Their lordships this adjourned at half-peat 7 o'clock.

110IISZ OF COMMONS.—TmcsoAy, JUNE 23.

The house remand et 8 o'clock.
POLAND.

Mr. B. COCHRANE We nines of his jesuitical to move,
as an amendment to the notice of his hon. friend the mem-
ber for King's County on Poland, that the following
words be added :—" And this house, deploring the calamities
which are desolating some provinces of Poland, and anxious
not to mislead the people with false hopes, declares it will
maintain the principle of non-intervention."
STREET CABS IN PALL-MALL
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Lord E. THYNNE asked the Secretary of State for the
Home Department whether, as the police prevent cabs from
plying in Pall-mall, he would give Instructions to the me-
tropolitan polio. to enforce that 'system throughout the
lia.
I"Ein. GREY mid that a special order tad bees issued
with respect to cabs in Pall-mall, in 000MOQUIDC• of the
meat obstructions which were to be found between Water-
loo-place and St. James-street. Several additional cab-
stands had been established in that locality. There was
already in existence a general order affecting the whole
metropolis, ordering the police to summon the drivers of
cabs plying in the streets for hire.

CASE OP MARY ANNE WALE.LEY.
Mr. BAGWELL asked the Secretary of State for the
Hoene Department if his enaction had been called to the
inquest on Mary Anne Walkley, a workwoman in the em-
ployment of Madame Elise, described as court dressmaker,
of 170, Regent-street, the verdict at which stated that the
deceased died of apoplexy; and if the government had
any intention to take measures for the registration and in•
spertion of workrooms.
Sir O. GREY said he knew nothing of this case except
from the reports in the newspaper of the proceedings at
the coroner's inquest, and of the Boding of the jury. If
that evidence were correctly reported, finding of the
jury was amply borne out, that the death of this young
person was caused by apoplexy, accelerated by hard labour
ia a crowded work room, and by steeping is an ill-ventilated
bed-room. No doubt it would be very desirable, if it were
possible by any regulations, to prevent the recurrence of
such evils es then ; but he wee not prepared to say that
the government were ready to establish a system of regis-
tration and inspection of these work rooms, many of them
being in private honer. As hon. members were aware there
was an act of parliament by which masters sad mistresses
were liable to have proceedings taken against them for not
providing adequate accommodation for the prerervatiou of
the lives and health of their apprentices ; but he was sot
sure whether it bad any application to the present case. He
was not aware whether this young woman was an appren-
tice or a servant.

WEDNESDAY

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1880 had failed. It had had a fair trial, and it had proved
an utter failure. (Hear, her.) He would be satisfied if
the government would leave the matter with the right bon•
gentleman the Attorney•Osaeral for Ireland, and- be sod
the right hon. baronet the Chief Secretary could discus
the subject and *raider what ought to be done. Be
shuddered at the prospectof next year if they
bed in Ireland another bad harvest. There would
be a general bankruptcy among all Harm He
believed that parliament bed a deep interen in the welfare
of Ireland, and that induced him to submit this motion for
an inquiry, and he thought it was one to which the country
was justly entitled. (Hear.) If the legiabiture refused to
interfere, despair would go head in hand with misery, and
would drive some hundreds of thousands of people from
their shone, sod Ireland would remain a rending reproach
to England. He would conclude by asking the government
to deal with this matter in a large and generous spirit.
(Hear.)
The motion was seconded by Mr. BAGWILL, and sup-
ported by Mr. BRADY.
Sir E. GROGAN deprecated the motion as calculated to
disturb the micas, and fallaciously to raise the hopes of the
people of Ireland.
- Hr. ROEBUCK said in the course of his long experience
in that house be had ofteu heard Irish questions dreamed,
and he confessed himself still totally incapable of under-
standing them. (Laughter.) When the words tenant right
Were mentioned in English ears, the immediate and involun-
tary feeling was one of disgust at the entire subject.
(Laughter.) It was looked upon am a proposition to do that to
which men had the greatest repugnance—brim away front
a man power over his own property. That was what was
usually suggested by the words tenant right. There was in
this country the right of primogeniture, though men did got
often understand it. Gerrity "peaking a man had the
disposition of his own property, sad be might dispose of it
as he pleased, but when he made no disposition of his pee-
-1 piety the law stepped in and made a disposition of it. He
would deal in the same way with regard to the tenure of
had. He would leave the landlord and the tenant per-
fectly free to make what oontract they pleased, but where
there was no contract between them then the law should
step in sad make a contract for them. In that ale the law
should step in sad regulate what the outgoing tenant
should receive, and the incoming tenant should pay. If the
right bon. baronet, the Secretary of Ireland, sat down to
his desk saddle,. up a good law of that kind, he would do
more to salve over the mama of Ireland than all the talk
he herd about them during the Let thirty years, sod
would do much to immortalise a name that was greatly
respected in Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. POLLARD-URQUHART said that there had been
formerly many complaints of agricultural diems in Eng-
land, and committee and commissions had been appointed
to inquire into the muses of Inch distress. It was cot sur-
prising that there should be a demand for inquiry when
agricultural distress occurred in Ireland.
Sir G. COIJLTHURST appealed to the indulgence of
the house on the occorion of addressing them for the first
time. (Hear, hear.) He thought that the relations of
landlord and tenant in Ireland should be arranged upon
principles of reciprocal interest. He had long lived in the
county with which his hon. friend the member for Dun-
preen was well secriated, and be could only nay that if
the hon. member for Hummer wished to perpetuate
re small holdings, be was desirous of continuing a
great eviL No doubt the emigration from Ireland was a
per evil ; but it was shown by the hos. member for
Clonmel to be due to other causal than those assigned for
it by his bon. friend. He trusted the house would not
accede to the motion, as the result of ita being carried
would only be to inspire the Irish people with false hopes.
(Hear, hear.)
Sir R. PEEL admitted the importance of the question,
but contended that not • single argument had been adduced
to justify the house in 'meeting the motion of the hon.
member for Dnngarvan and disturbing the misting militia*
between landlord and tenant. There was no doubt that dire
trees prevailed in Ireland, and that the land tenure there was
not what it was desirable that it should be, but he protested
against the Irish people being told that it had produced their
ruin. The proper way of dealing with a people who were
suffering from the dispensations of Providence was to
endeavour to awaken the spirit of hops in their breasts, by
showing them that returning prosperity would replace
them in that position which their wry, industry, and
perseverance entitled them to occupy. He regretted that
the bill of 1880 had proved inoperative, and he could only
say with regard to the future that he should not be
indisposed at the proper time to wander whether further
lags in the same direction might not be attempted.
The debate was centred by The O'Donoghne, Mr.
O'Reilly, Mr. Cardwell, Mr. Scully, Mr. Hennessy, and
Mr. Blake.
Lord PALMERSTON said the British government had
done all it could to promote the security of property in
Inked, and be had no hesitation in saying that it was quite
as secure, and that life was even more secure, in that
country than in Englaed ; because in Ireland there was not
tiers social crimes which, he regretted to may, too often dig-
paced the character of the people in England. The
evils of Ireland in past days were to be traced
in great mamas to the system of middlemen, to
a redundant population, sod to the minute division
of holdings. Hewn happy to say tbatthe two former of
these evils had greatly diminished, and there wee reason to
believe that the prosperity of the country would be restored
upon the return of productive harvests. In his opinion the
best course to be adopted as between landlord and tenant
was to give them full liberty to settle their own affairs
without legislative interference ; and 'peeking se a landlord,
he would ask what right bad any taunt to come to him
and say that it was his intention to effect certain improve-
meek, whether it was advantageous, and whether he
wished it or not. He regretted that the act of 1860 had not
been carried further. Its intention was to enable the
tenant to make improvements on his holding; but what
improvements could a tenant with ten or fifteen acres be
expected to make? Why, the only improvement in his
power was to dig up the stones and render the land more
available for the plough.
After a few words from Colonel GnetriLLE in favour of
the motion, and a short reply from Mr. MAGUIRE, the house
divided and the motion was neptived by 128 to 49.
MALT DUTIES.

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Sir F. KELLY moved for a select committee to consider
the effect of the melt duties upon the cultivation and pries
of barley, and upon the msouffftture and price of malt
and malt liquor, also upon the application of malt to the
feeding of rattle and sheep.
Colonel BARTTELCYT seconded the motion, which he
considered one of great importance to the agricultural in-
terests of the country.
Mr. CORBETT hoped that the government would grant
the committee, because he felt that nothing would be more
beneficial to the country than • total repeal of the malt
duty, towards which the propoeed inquiry would mainly
contribute.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he did
not complain of the motion being brought on at so late as
hoar, except that it prevented • full discussion of the
question. Be would be glad to see • reduction of the
malt duty, provided it could be done with fall
luatiozi to the waste of the revenue and in
to the tames upon other articles. The ne-
militias of the state must be borne in mind. There
was no objection to the committee, but he would move an
amendment to the motion of the bon. and learned gentle-
man to the effect that the committee, in considering this
question, must have regard to the laws affecting the maw
facture of malt, and whether there could beany alteration of
them without effecting the revenue.
Mr. BENTINCK supported the motion.
Mr. DODSON was glad that the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer had acceded to the committee, as the duty on malt
amoonted to 60 or 70 per cent. on the value of the article.
After a few words from Mr. Pacer and Sir F. KELLY, the
motion as amended was agreed to.
WESTMINSTER NEW PALACE APPROACHES.
Mr. TITE moved that • select committee should be
appointed to inquire into the improvement of the approaches
to the New Palma of Westminster : but after some discus.
sion, in which Sir J. Shelley, Mr. Cowper, Mr. Ayrton, Mr.
Locke, and Mr. Dilliryn took part, the house divided :
For the motion 4O
Against it

QUEEN'S COLLEGE, CORE.
Mr. HENNESSY moved for a eopy of the several deposi-
tions relative to the burning of Queens College, Cork,
together with any reports or communications to the govern-
ment en the subject from any of the professors of the

college.
Sir R. PEEL opposed the motion on the ground that the
production of the documetts might interfere with any pro.
oeedinp_ the government might take.
Mr. NAGUIRI and Mr. SCULLY supported the motion.
The kowie divided :
Par the motion l4
Against it
THE SAVINGS BANKS ACTS AMENDMENT BILL.
The ansendments to this bill were considered and agreed to.
Melinda°, Ac., Dioceses Bill wan read a third time and
pmemed._

The Mohair Vesting Bill posed through oornmittes.
The Plow and Harbour Orders Confirmation Bill was oon-
Mewed as amended and agreed to.
The load Drainage Bill and the Enclosure Bill were read
t third time and pared.
The Port Erin Harbour (Tale of Mao) Bill pared through
oommittee.
The other basins,s was disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at a quarter-peat two.

RAILWAY AND PUBLIC CONBABIIEB tic PARLIA-
ithar.—Yesterday a committers of the Commons, mosisting
of Mr. Hansard (chairman), and Mews. Morgan, Paget, '
Foljsarlie, sad Duff, met to consider the first batch of bills
mat up from the House of Lords. They ware the Blackburn.
Morley, sod Wiwi railway, Ruirmay and Brew) and
Merthyr Juoctioo,Colos Valley and Halstead, Dare Valley,
Metropolitan Railway, Gxbridp RickmsweLL
of Wight Exteosions railway; and Tottenham and Elasme
stead railway. The case for the Blackburn, Charley, sad
Wipa was opened by Mr. Calvert Mr. Hop ficatt sad Kr.
llamwather opposing for the Maaethire and Y rabbi» I
railway. Groseral endmica was taken. Eridonce on behalf
of the 7uadoa sad North Wasters was adduced In the Earl
Ramorle committart, in opposition to the Wrexham,
Mold, sad Coolish's Quay and Draytoo Junctkii railways,
sad it is ovoid that the ear will lia brought to a ms.
mks brew, when the enmities Will 0. its deeiisa