The Express.
London, England, 1855-06-27 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 27, 1855.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS.—TVESDAY, 'us' 26.
The hews at 6 o'clock.
ROYAL COMMISSION.
The royal assent was given by commission to the follow-
itg bills:
The Consolidated Fond (10.000,00011 Bill, Education of
Poor Children, hennas co Lives, Abatement of Income
Tas, Conneaut.' of Ecelenutical CAM/. Stamn Dative,
Repeal oss Ilstriculatios and D. geese (Oxford), Grants of
Land, Public Libraries and Mammal, Spirits of Wine,
Waterford and Limerick Railway, St. Helen's Improve-
ment, Crosier& and High Peak Railway, Limerick and
Castle Consul Rahway, Newcastle-under-Lyons Railway,
Limerick and Foynes Railway, Retyped end Carlisle
Italw4, Newport Oss, Weston-super-Mare Oa, Alford
and Boston lined, Wigan and Preston Reads North oWitneyf
Yarrow, Leads Ins orove sant Compeny, C narlbury,,
Re., Roads; Lyme Regia Roads, Newtown and °weeny
Ranway, Doudelk and Illackrock Railw
anay,d Glßlackwell oacester
WIEST etd Lr eel Board of Health, London
Railway ; Manchester, Shetfi s
himn Lincolnshire Railw
(Lineoln Brener.); N stting and Newhaven Road
'Warrins ton Water, CAericnien Railway, East Kent Rsilr
way, R- gent's Canal (Hertfordshire Canal). (Du a ro., and
Studs- e<tern ltyl way. Newtown and Makeraeld ra-
pr Aeneas, South Wales Railway Consohdation, Ns *castle-
upoa-Ts no Improvrmeat.
ACCIDENTS ON RAILWAYS BILL.
Lard STANLEY, in MO? irg the woad reading of this
stated that ita main object was to make it compulsory
on railway alopecia' to establish a means of communication
between the gaud and driver on each Sing train ; and
he proposed to effect bit obj-ct by imposing a penalty for
each day's delay in the adoption of such arrangement. This
penalty was levied in the first clause, end the second clause
empowered the B Aird of Trade to require the building of •
bridge or tunnel even where that a line at present crossed
the r red at a !eve). la all recent railway acts this power
was reserved for the Boar I of Trade, but in the earlier rail-
way bills no such power existed; crossingswere tted
permi
on the level. and since :heir erection large p ,pulations had
sprung up in the neighbourhood. This provision he pro-
poses also to enrolee be a penalty. Another clause rendered
railway companies al storable for all misfeasance on thh
e
part of their servants, and gave power for punishing suc
servants as should +Wally leave their duty before the
.spiracles of their contract.
The Margins WESTMINSTER thought that means
should be taken to provide • communication between the
guard and pasicngen.
After an obeervati an from Lord STAXLI7 in reply, the
bill was a second time.
CARNEGIE'S RESTITUTION BILL.
This bill was read a third time and pseud.
CONDUCT OF AU
LL IE RI STA
PO INWERS. RELATION TO THE
A D
Lard LYNDHURST rose to call the attention of the
house to the treaty of the 21d December, 1554, and the
recent conferences at Vienna with reference to the position
of Austria in her relation to the allied
usepowrs. The noble and
learned lord said,—My lords, there is great number of
persona in this country anxious to ascertain the precise
position of Austria with reference to the Western Powers,
and it is with a view of obtaining some explanation on the
subject from my noble Ireland ;apnoeas that I have been
iniuced to give notice of the present motion. I have been
told that it is • delicate question to ask—a delicate subject
to touch upon—and that any allusions to it must be made
with very great caution; but as I intend to confine myself
to a mere statement of fasts, I do not consider that say
great inconvenience can arise from the present discussion.
(liar, hear.) Everyone who is at all familiar with the
state of affairs on it e continent of Europe must be aware
that bath Pringle and Austria, but more particularly
Austria, bus a more deep and immediate interest in the
result of the aggressions of Russia than either of the
Western Pewires—(::ear, bear)—and If those two powne„
Austria and Prussia, bed acted in concurrence with the
Wt stern Powers with activity, energy, and decision, in the
early portion of these disputes, I believe the effect would
have been to restrain the proceedings of Russia, and that we
should not have been involved in the present unhappy war.
(Laud cries of" Hear, hear.") I conferee that in as fat as
regards Prussia I have no hope of .say active co-operation
on her part, for 1 know well the history of the last war be-
tween Turkey and Ramis, and i observed that the conduct
of Prune at that time was one of complete subserviency to
Russia. (Hear, hear.) But with respect to Austria 1 had
different expectations. A great military power, presided
over by • young and high-spirited monarch, deeply im-
pressed with the injustice of the proceedings of Russia,
fully convinced of the deep interests he has at stake—these
cirzurnstances led me to hope for some active and sympa-
thetic co-operation from that quarter. (Cheers.) However,
it appears that cautious and timid counsels have prevailed,
and I regret to my that I consider the actual position of
Austria to be in some degree one of humiliation. (Hear,
hear.) I have asked myself several times to what it would
be possible to refer this Inaction on the part of Austria, and
I ascribe it, as every man acquainted with the state of
Europe must ascribe it, to its position—a position which I
trace to that lamentable event which was one of the greatest
crimes of modern times, I allude to the partition, to the
successive partitions, of Poland, an act in which:unfortunately
Austria took part, and in the spoils of which she
(Hear, hear.) But, my lords, what was the result of that
prcceeding ? Three-fourths of the extensive territory of
Poland, with a numerous population, has been incorporated
with the Resnais empire, and 1 er last acquisition, the Grand
Dually of Warsaw, has pushed her forward into an ad-
vanced position in Europe, where, pressing on Central
Germany, and dividing the dominions of Prussia from the
dominions of Austria, she pursues her own policy by
erecting a lire of formidable fortresses along the banks of
the Vistula. She has also erected a second line of fortresses,
net with a view of defence, but with a view of availing her-
self of the first favourable opportunity of continuing her
aggressions in that direction. (Hear, hear.) Any one who
looks at the map of Europe and takes into consideratiea the
facts I have stated, will agree with what was stated in
another place by • noble lord, namely, that the position
of Russia may be considered as one of menace to
Germany, and practically as much so to Austria, as her
position at Sebastopol is one of menace to Turkey. (Hear,
hear.) I feel that Austria could not take part in the
military operations against Russia without considerable
difficulty, bat at the same time risks must be incurred when
great interests are at stake, and great objects are to be
attained ; and I do not think that the position of Austria
will be improved by hesitation and delay. On the contrary
I think she never could have a better opportunity of vindi-
cating her rights, or of encountering the dangers to which I
have referred, than she would obtain by that active and
offensive alliance with the Western Powers which has been
open to her at any time since the commencement of these
conferences. (Rear.) Ido not feel, nor must Ibe under-
stood as saying, that we have derived no advantage
from the position of Austria. On the contrary, the large
army which she placed in Galicia occupied a oorneponding
Russian army, and the advantage of the retention of the
latter in such • position has been felt during the whole con-
tra ; but I am sorry to sey there are symptoms and appear-
ances that lead me to believe that this occupation will not
be continued, bat that at no distant period we shall see a
great diminution of the force on the Austrian frontier
detach
and
a corresponding power on the pert of Rada, to
forces for any operation she may undertake against the
Allies. (Hear, hear.) Up to this time, if we have not had
the physical force of Primula and Austria on oar side, we
have had their moral sa?port; and it has been of the greatest
advantage. But with Impost to Ptaiskt, I balm we owe
its support, not to the wisk a do pmessaist, but to the
strong ("shag of the people of that inerstery. (Rem bear.)
With respect to Austria I beams mats I.llfirgy, that the t
spirit is which the goverment bee Mai lei has doom,
earnest, and straightforward, has swim tom a dump some
of the conduct et Russia and • stress NON d 1110 interest
she has in restraining the ambition of that pews/ sad is
checking tier aggression. It is to the pretends I min whoa
I talk of the moral support we have teatited from them
two powm, those protocols beginning 10 far bask as Sep-
tember, 1853, and extending to May of last year. There
were four or five of these documents Initia in the strongest
terms the injustice of the proceedings of Russia, sad at
the same time declaring in very forcible terms that the ob-
ject of the alliance of the four powers was in the float
place to procure
evansation of the Principalities. sad in
the next to wears the independent* a the Ilates,
end the integrity of his dominions. These wen the Mints
to which the protocols were directed. I have stated that
they go dens to May of last year, whom It wall appear
that Ass Ida had • feeling that elm wm not sang Ivory
held as bolded part, sad she detegmMed to lobo estop is
mamas. In the folio ism Ma mei. a ismsad spas
limn to inmate the dament wltleltwas
slab is very .seems tease. lee in
ton that it sat ompliod wide amen maims would
be
resented to to esespol it. Bet yam kadehlps sum ast to sap
pies that that desead was altsgeOet • disgaglins ban the
aeggism seemat policy width AM& WI up le that
11 a passel, When I call yam attesties to Ike dates sad
airssamlsams ander whisk that wm made
pas Will ses that it was merely a mallainem al the pro-
*NW mem of policy. At that time the Beigre in the
==ktrhad suffered anassiy—libek army bad bees
y dismiss sad had Wm delhand la several en-
eseallna by no Turks—they weess=ant at the time
aft way wassunally the siege el while the allied
limp Ism mosatratiag at Yarns. r was • large force
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'abatises mooted to • refusal. What we. thee'
OWN wide atria pursued ? Did she ferry into
bra Less aping Ressis,_or did she attempt sa Isar
idea eff theTelatipalities ? Far from it. She abstained
hem doing saetliog for a period of several weeks, as st
tenth when the siege of Silistria was raised. aim the
Russian army was in retreat, and when the labiesisin
verement had served nodes that she would ream
the Pruitt, and there act OS the defensive, talk sell
we until then, did Ataxia venture to awe tite
boundary, and take up her present positioa
I. the Principalities. (lieu, hear.) What afterwards hap-
pened ? Russia, with great skill and great political address,
had said she should sot on the defensive, a declaration
which could only be lcokei upon as a propoeit ion for the
neutrality of Austria. Austria acesepted it, and it was pear
tinny acquiesced in, for no attempt was made to cross the
Froth after the retreating Russians. The consequence of
that was that the whole of the army of Bessarabia was set
free to act whist the Allies in the Crimea ; and so rapidly
did the Russisus avail themselves of the opportunity, that
they prceeeda sometimes at the reo of 40 miles • day.
availing themselves of all the facilities that Odessa sad
its neighbourhood dined for the trainman of trace'.
In what manner did Austria conduct herself in the Ma-
cipalities ? It is sot my intention to enter up 'a any detailed
statement as to her conduct, for I am not sufficiently au-
versant with this pert of the subject. But I may Meares
this, that when an army of a friendly power enters into a
country for the purposes of protection, its first duty is to
take care that the strictest discipline is maintained in its
army. Now, ley lords, there us surmises upon this subject
—whether they are correct or not I will not undertake to
say—they us to the effect, that this principle has not bees
strictly adhered to. Again, by the treaty between Austria
and Turkey it was provided, and expressly stipulated, that all
the privileges of the
yn should be strictly guarded.
Now I understand, m noble friend (Lord Clarendon) oppo-
site will tell me whether I am corrector not, that so far from
this treaty being adhered to martial law has been proclaimed
throughout this territory. I pass this point however, be-
cause it fortes no necessary put of what I wish to eddy's
to your lordships,u well as for the reason
to the
which I have
already stated, my want of (*dainty with respect
correctness of the information which I have received. It
was in the middle of the month of Augest that Austria tock
possession of the Principalities. She remained in posses-
sion without distu
rb from Russia, and while we
were struggling i the Crimea in support of the
common sass, while we were shedding our blood
and expending our treasure to support an object is which
Austria was much more deeply interested than ourselves,
that power was quietly establishing herself la quoinci-
lities, and engaged in spreading, by and
circulars addressed to other governments, such a mass of
entanglemeat as was never equalled by our own Coast of
Chancery in its worst days. (Laughter.) Such was the
state of things on the 2nd of December, at wt ich period a
treaty was signed by Austria and the Western Powers.
That treaty appears to me • most singular document.
So far as relates to the obligations of the West-
ern Powers, it is precise, distinct, intelligible ;
but, when you come to consider the obligations impe-ed on
Austria, they are vague, indistinct, and almost unintel-
ligible. The stipulation oa the part of the Waters Powers
is, that if Austria should be attacked by Rauh, we should
joie in an offensive and defensive alliance with her. But, on
the other hand, it is stipulated that in the event of peace not
being concluded before she end of the year, upon the basis
of the four points, then that Austria—will do what? Take
up arms with the allies ? No, my lords, but that she will
deliberate with the Allies without delay upon the effectual
means to attain the objects of the Allies. (Cheers.) Now,
what is the precise meaning of these terms I cannot ue-
dertske to say ; but this I will say, hat according to my in-
terpretatios of the words, they must mesa—if they mean
anything—that Austria will concert with the Allies upon ac-
tive measures to give effect to the alliance, and that she
will take part a those measures. This is my interpretation
of these terms; any interpretation short of this would be
manifestly absurd ;
_an I thst I am supported in this inter-
pretation, both by France and by her Majesty's govern-
ment. I will undertake to show to your lordship'. I find
in the Monitor of the 25th of April a passage to this effect,
and I would remark to your lordships that nothing can be
sore marked or stronger than the expressions here made
tee of. The putage runs thus—" In fact if these nego-
tiants essay ng to the negotiations which were to take
glee" bean the end of the year) should fail, Austria, whose
alliance wadd blooms an effusive one, would enter late
armed action, sad the weight of her sword would soon
obtain by war, what her influence could not effect in
the Conferees. The Allied Powers know that if Aus-
tria does not suseeed in this noble effort of her Euro-
pean patriotism, she will fight resolately with them. The
adhesion of the Western Powers to an honourable and
possible peas having, as • consequence, the support of
Austria in • necessary and legitimate war, is an sot coun-
selled by wisdom, sad will be approved by public opinion."
Nothing can be more distinct and marked than these winds.
or can show more distinctly that the construction to he pia
upon the treaty is this, that if peace is not concluded spa
the basis of the four points, Austria will cooperate in the
warlike endeavours of the Allies. I have also another 'tithe
rity to which I beg leave to refer your lordships, viz., the
authority of the Secretary of State for the Colonies. Re says:
" I understand the meaning of that article (certainly
not containing anything very precise) is this, that
if England and France propose conditions of peace,
which are in conformity with the four hues, and cense
within these terms, snd if Russia refuge to assent to
such • treaty of peace, then that Austria will me bags
hesitate, but will form part of the alliance against Reeds" I
I think, therefore, that upon t
governments ot Fosse
and of England have pet upon this treaty the same inter-
pretation which I myself have already put upon it in my I
statement to your lordships. This brings me to the am-
adored= of what has since taken place, and what is the 1
position and conduct of Austria. Russia consented, after
some explanation, to enter into a negotiation upon the basis
of the four points. It would follow, from what I have '
already stated, that if in the result of that negotiation peace
was not °occluded with Russia, from • disinclination on her
put to steed* to our terms, Austria would be obliged
to take an active/pante the war. But to resume. Nego-
tiations were commenced. I am very happy to say that
Count Buol, the plenipotentiary on the part of Austria,
acted in the discuses of the various points with the utmost
firmness and candour. Re urged these points with the
Allies with great force, with great capacity, and with great
judgment. lam not going to follow the discussions which
took place ; lam only about to refer to their result It
was proposed on the part of the Allies to limit the naval
force of Russia and of Turkey in the Bleak Sea. What was
the answer of Russia? It was this, "We will not consent
to limit the strength of the navy of Russia in the Black
, Sea by treaty or in any other manner whatsoever." To
this statement the Russian plenipotentiary adhered. Russia
then gave to a counter proposition. This was stated
' by Count Bail to be unsatisfactory, and to be
en have the
such as not
te lead to any fair terms for peace so that
daisies of Count Baol upon a proposal made by the Allies,
adopting that proposal which Russia rejected. On the
ether lead you have Count Buol considering a counter pro-
paid's, objecting to it, and saying that it did not carry into
effect the basis of the tour points. Count Boot, in the very
last series of papers laid upon the table of this house, de.
deree, is precise terms, his opinion upon the propo-
sas Mile by the allies, and says that it was a proper
end oolositie mode of settlement. lie further says that
tine made cm the other side by Russia were wholly
Nothing could be more clear and distinct
ass *see avowals. Russia had according to the opinion
of coast Bad refined to do that which was ressatable and
pow. Austria was therefore bound to take active
measures. My lords, those who come to that modules are
bat little aware of the resources of German police sad sego.
Sation. After five weeks had elapsed another meeting of
Os casfereaes was held in order to it. final closing. At
Oat oesilag • proposal was made on the pert of Austria,
eles aid she considered would be satisfactory both to
lona sol the Allies. Now, my lords, I know that there
ere poem who say that Austria must have knows, that
Meant Mal Bast have knows, that the Allies would not w
agree he dot parses I do not say so. Again, I kuo
Yoe sae panume she say that, knowing this propoeition
molt wit be 'greet to by the Allies, the made that proposal
lift a view of eliding out of the obligation. I make no
suoubsurgs, Let me, however, draw your lordship.' ate
Mal" hi the proposition which was made, and let it be
with that which had been settled and decided
li previous conferences. The proposal was that
ia the Ports should agree together as to what
be the amount of the naval forces which they should
ingotively maintain in the Black Sea, and that they
Yeah not is say event used the number of vessels then
saes. This was the proposition. Bat what had already taken
place? Russia had said we will not submit to limitations, be
they of any mind whatsoever, of our fleet in the Black Sea.
, The French negotiate?, Y. Dmitri de Lhuys, teemed
1, anxious to coaled. as far as possible with the Russian
1 segotiater. He said the better way would be to let Russia
and the Porte settle in conference the amount of the fence
1 which they should respectively maintain in the Black Sea,
eadlet them draw up • paper and sign it, and let that be
attached to any treaty. This, however, was met by 'Flukey
with • fiat refusal. She said we have entered into a treaty
with the allied powers, by which we have bound ourselves
sot to eater into negotiations with Russia—that
obligation is binding upon et, and upon the
rest of the powers. How wes it possible thee,
after that proposition had been considered disguised, dr
tannined, and the conferences, to • certain' extent, dosed,
how was it possible for Austria to imagine—l hardly like to
us any stronger terms—that under these circumstances the
allied powers would resume the coeferences upon the terms
proposed ? It would be as idle as impossible to attempt to
answer this question • indeed any answer to it would be
fruitless. Here Ouzels, li admit, some colour, some possible
ground for believing—though Ido not myself believe it—
that Austria bad made this last proposition, knowing theta
could not be acquieseed in,le order to afford •• nominal patent
for sliding out of that obligation into which she had entered.
Now,my lords, In what position do we steno? Is the
treaty of the tad December binding or not ? We hew bees
Cgs for two years hied in hand with Austria, owerski.
as all oeststoss,definitig to her doubts end Nose*
I lait from = time to time she would take olio tier
which have from time time besaffeesseiteri,
eandAm, r the last stags, we appear alma boa to by
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saws bh ears. to WM it, he follow it antiasally, Mem 1
seatismallejtefem him All at sae* it tiowellS
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late whisk he bee been draws. What is the aline of that
ship I will sot say—it might seem personal to do
pse—ead well to leave mar lordships to draw your own
=Wm. (1 Hear, hear;. sad laughter.) I do nit
that Austria will enter into an actual atraWl
et neutrality. But I do believe thi,,
that Ade'
hie will have a secret understanding with R •
and. withdrew her forces from the frontier I
Russia will do the same, end thus substantially a ante
nesteelity will be tits result. Having this view, I
thought it my duty to call the attention of my noble f
to this important subject. I must, however, be allowed
my two words further upon the subject of these coif
The noble viscount at the head of her Ilsjesty's
meat is sail to have complimented the noble lord (J. Rus-
sell) representing this country at the conferences for the
gnat talent which he displayed. Now, no person enter-
alas a higher opinion of the talent of that noble lord lima
I. I never knew a man involved in dieculties or perplezi-
ties extricate himself with more &ideate and dexterity
than the noble lord—(sughter)—indeed, I am inclined
ta think that the noble lord would voluntarily
place himself in a situation of difficulty in order to exhibit
his skill is getting out of it. Notwithstanding, however,
the talents of that noble lord, I am bound to say that the
only power which gained any advantage in these negotia
tions was Burris. I wilt explain how in a few words. The
two first points considered in the negotiations were the only
two points in which Russia and the German powers were
interested. They were points almost exclusively of Gefinaa
interest, and indeed -were the only points in relation to
which Germany could have been called upon to make any
sacrifice. These two points were discussed at the begin-
sing of the conferences ; everything went on with the
utmost smoothness between the negotiators; nothing could
hays looked better or more promising. The points were
agreed upon and settled to the satisfaction of all parties.
Whet happened afterwards ? The third point came to be
considered. Lord J. Russell, with great suavity of manner,
proposed that Russia should take toe initiative. Prince
Gortehakoff .aw his advantage. He said he had no powers,
and must refer to his court. This, of course, would lead
to delay • but of amenity it was conceded. Eightees
days elapsed before any answer was returned. How were
those eighteen days enstloyed ? Through the medium of
Prussia and other channels communications were made
to the lesser powers of Germany, representing to them that
Russia had conceded every question in which they were
interested, and a distinct intimation was given en the part
of Russia that if the lesser states did not take part in the
mutest going on, who might be the result of the ow
(maw Russia would adhere to her engagements. Am I
not perfectly arrest, then, in saying that the only power
who obtained any advantage was Retail? (Hear, hear.)
That she did obtain that advantage facts patent to all prove.
We all know that the lesser powers have ceased to make
any preparations to join Austria, and we know, too, that
Austria does not think herself sale in taking up arms unless
backed by the smaller powers. And your lordships will,
perhaps, consider against how great a majority this advantage
we gained by Austria. There was, in the first place, the
slow cautious Austria; them as the more lively and active
Gaul ; there was the clear-headed Englishman ; there was
the silent Turk on the one side ; and on the other side, tt ere
wt the sly wily Russian; indeed, to use the 1 nguagi 6f the
turf, the Malian had beaten the field. (Cheer.) No one
can doubt that Russia felt the advantage which she bad
gained, and that it influenced her subsequent conduct with
reference to these negotiations. Up to this period the
utmost courtesy prevailed during the progress of the negotia-
tion ; but after it, although a show of courtesy was
still maintained, a sneer occasionally was ap.
parent upon the part of Russia. Allusions were
made to the supposed designs of France upon Tunis, to the
beekwardnees of the alleged preparations on the part of
Austria, and an sir almost of triumph made itself occa-
sionally apparent. I don't intend to go into the considera-
tion of the propositions made in the conferences; but I will
say this, tint, in my opinion, and according to the best of
my judgm none of those propositions were worth aught.
(Hear, Mar.) The proposed reduction of the power of
Russia In the Black Sea could never substantially be carried
out, it would always be evaded, and the attempts to evade
it would lead to continual disputes, which in the end would
without doubt involve us in fresh wars. The noble lord,
who represented England in the conference, and who alluded
to the treaty of Utrecht, and to the destruction of Dun.
kirk,might from his own illustration have formed an opinion
o the uselessness of binding Russia to a reduction of her
nave. rower. After these conferences terminated every
thing was dark at Vienna. That may have arisen from our
but little attention to the seam after the noble lord
taJtifeldr it; for, as Shakespere tells us, after a welt-grand
seine leaves the stage, the eyes are idly bent on him who
eaters next." (Hear, hear.) Proceeding to forecast the
passible successes of our arms, the noble lord then insisted
,on the necessity of exacting from the enemy emeitiose
I which should permanently deprive him of the alone 111
disturbing the common trenquillity. As one of mai-
time, he indicated the absolute demolition of the I
fortress, and concluded by urging the present govelement to
greater vigour and decision in their future prionedbes.
The Earl of CLARENDON said, Austria nevorrequired
eay impulse from France
lightish she entered into.
10 eater into binding .
Waste ; she agreed to the
la which sbmp •
Oat It sh did gocont teo
war wi
she and defensive &Manes .
eke stipulated that it peace .
hems by a certain day, then the
he earned one, the arreogements
=it. (Ironical cheers.)
by Austria herself ; Sr.
Ommt Beol made the strong
cad learned friend had elite
made certain engagements t
Might be the consequences
these engagements. And t
Wall all this time intending.
Womoded in a very ill-advise,
Seel have been to bring
t relief. The et
=eleen proposed to her. elf I
tary operations. This s
On the contrary, any.
was received with the
and your lordships will re _
from the Emperor of Austria
and the Queen of England, cot_,„
posed fall of Sebastopol, and desiring n.
all the consequences which might result from that great
event. (Haar, hear.) At the conferences Austria brought
forward the same proposals, expressed the same opinions,
sad supported them in the same language, as the plenipo-
teatlaries of Ragland end France. When the plenipoten-
tiaries of England and France declared that they could go
so farther, Austria said that there were other means by
which the third basis might be carried iato effect, and that
those other meow ought to be tried. The conferences were
adjourned sine die; and so they would have remained, but
Count Beet sad their remaining in that state was a cause of
labanaemeat to all parties, and gave rise to suspicions. He
wished that they should be closed, and that he might be
snowed to redeem the pledge which he had given at a
ham esaferesee, and make one last attempt at bringing
the belligerents to an agreement. The answer to that was,
my lords, that we must see the proposal before we could
give any opinion upon it. That proposal was mat to us ;1
we declined to accept it, and we said that the plenipoteu-
*dm of England and France could only attend the confer-
WIMP for the purpose of its being closed. Count Boot was in-
formed beforehand that the proposal would be refused, sod
I apprehend that he brought it forward simply because he
had pledged Mewl( at the previous conference that he
would bring something forward. Well, the conference beleg
at an end, we did my to Austria that we thought the time
was now come for her to fulfil her engagements. (Hem.)
Her answer to that, in substance, was, that althoods
had not agreed to the proposal for tarrying into elitiugh R
st OM
third basis, yet that there were other means of giving offset
Ito that basis: that there wasthe system of counterpoise '
that there was the opening of the Straits when the Porte
weein danger ; that there was the tripartite treaty to Newel
the independence of Turkey, by means of which the peal
peaderane• of Russia would be put an ead to, and al
'Misty for the maintenance of the integrity of the Ottoman
Wein remeeed ; and that, consequently, as these terms
bed bean miesteed by the Western Powers, Austria did not
tad bard he weyerate with them in active measures. I
an WWI W egy that that is not our view of the engage-
Mate whisk were entered into by Austria—Chian
Mee) ter of the fulfilment of the treaty. Bet,
tay lords, as it is principally on this point that
Imy noble and learned friend has dwelt in arena
leg your attention to the course which Austria hes
pawned, I shish we ought in justice to consider what mai
he the ethethe dam conduct of which we not unnaturally
thieplath. Ity terds. I think there can be no doubt that
vies Asada eatared into bee successive Implements with
ingleadistises
arjeritereee,
sad
w, whenhenshetheurgmaeddetshaucth ensivemeaittanes=on.
down shwa be sent by Franco and England to the head-
quarters of General Hess, I think there can be so doubt. I
say, that she then expected and %tended war. But Ido net
think she intended to go to war single handed. (Hier,
hear.) She expected that England and France would have
obtained such derisive advantages in the Crimea that
her army would be free, and that abs would be
able to concert with her Allies measures for an active
campaign. Such, however, has not been the case ; and if
Austria had, at our invitation, at the Close of the costs-
resale, deflated war against Russia, there con be no doubt,
I think, that she would have entered into the war single-
healed. We could not up to this time have lent her any
elehlesee. Ido not think we could have made any impor-
teat diversion in her favour. And if she could not have
had the assistance of England and France, could she have
everted on the assistance of Prude ? Could she
have reckoned on Prussia's good will ? Could
she have felt confident that she would not have
ansmiss in her flash sad In her rear. (Hear, hear.)
She might_ have been exposed to dine ten in her owe terri-
OM Wdek England and France were unable to avert.
llestlia, it Is notorious that the finances of Austria are not
In a illedshing state, mainly, ea I think, in consequence of
elogatele of restricted commerce she has adopted, and
modem her revenue unequal to her expenditure, and
seheeitesetty her military expenditure not being confined
Ile her financial means, she hes not occupied that position
which I think she ought as a fint-rate power in Europe. To
tame reasons may be added others to whisk I do sot think
It pendent to allude, which have isthmoid the decision
of Austria. My noble and learned friend has asked
what is now our position with Menace to
Austria. In reply I coo my that Austria has announced i
that sh will them the Prinelpalitiee until pease is de.
ciand, In compliesee wish the atm et her %nay with

Turkey. To that we have ne objection, for the occupation
of the Principe Miss under tho terms of that treaty amounts
to the occupation of unitary by one nation as a means of
defence spinet the aggression of fteother' and that is not an
set of neutrality, but, oa the contrnry, is one SO hostile to
Russia that she might perhaps be justified in making it the
subject of hostility ; and so long u Austria is acting with
Turkey under the conditions of tint treaty, we have a
security agaiest the return of Russia Into the Prin
cipalities, which would be foslowed by the own
potion of the whole line of the Danube. We have
announced, as regards 'the four bases of negotia-
tion, they were taken by us in their entirety. lam now
answering the question of my noble friend with regard to
what our position is—sad I wish to inform him, that as we
have taken the four bases in their entirety, and as the third
point, which was to us of the most importeace, was rejected,
and the responsibility of that rej.ction rests with Ramie
and not with us, we consider we are disengaged from those
terms as a whole, and freed from all partial terms
connected with them. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) No
doubt the principles on which the four bases were
founded must be discussed in any conferences which
Imay take place, but Ragland and France have reserved
to themselves the right to come unfettered and flee into
any future negotiations and to insist only on such precise
conditions as they may think most advantagenus to them-
selves cod their ally. (Hear, hear.) As I have said, I am
compelled to abstain from following my noble and learned
friend into this branch of the subject, yet I have endea-
veered to give him an answer to the inquiry he has made.
We can have no object in censuring or causing any misun-
derstanding with Antrim, and I hope I have said notbieg in
way way calculated to disturb the good feeling which
Insists between Austria and ourselves, and which, if
we obtain military successes, I do not yet despair
at seeing still further extended. (Hear.) I have sated
why I think that the position in which we are placed as
made Austria has nothing in it to justify any censure upon
her, or any alumna our part. I repeat that at no time
bee tt at position influenced our military operations, and I
repeat that oar position Bs regards the future, so fox
gum being worse, has improved, for England and France
ere more free and unfettered with regard to any terms they
Ism choose to make than they have hitherto been." (Hear.)
The Earl of Emairrsoßovox, the Duke of ARGYLL, Lord
DENMAN, the Marquis of CLANRICARDI, and Earl ORAN-
'ILLS having briefly spoken, the subject dropped.
The house adjourned at half put nine.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TtIESDAY, JUNE 26.
The house sat at 12 o'clock,and completed the discussion,
in ummittee, of the Metropolis Local Management Bill.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
NOTICE OF MOTION.
Mr,WISE gave notice for the 10th of July, that he would
move " That an humble address be presented to her Ma-
jesty, praying that her Majesty may be meet graciously
pleased to issue her royal commands for a complete revision
of the diplomatic establishments of the United Kingdom."
GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS—MR. LINDSAY.
Mr. MALINS said that In consequence of what passed last
eight relative to the position of the hon. member for Tyne-
Muth in that house, in consequence of being interested
Y a government contract, be handed in a notice to the
desk at the table, setting forth that "he would call the
attention of the house to certain statements made by the
First Lord of the Admiralty, which conveyed to the house
the impression that the hon. member for Tynemouth was
interested in a government contract." Some time after-
suds he was informed by the Speaker that the terms of
the motion were objectionable, inasmuch as they referred to
a debate that had already taken place. Unless he could
refer to that debate it was useless to bring that notice before
the house. He therefore put a notice on the paper, merely
asking for the production of the contract with regard to
certain transport ships. But that would not give the
slightest information to the house if the Speaker was of
opinion that he was precluded from referring to what took
place in the previous debate. He wished, therefore, to
know whether he was at liberty to refer to that debate ?
The SPEAKER said a notice was most irregular which
called attention to a statement by an boa. member on a
previous night. If any notice was to be taken of that speech
it should be taken at the time, and if there were any words
in it which were intended to form the ground of further
proceedings, they should have been taken down at the time,
but it would be most irregular to refer to that speech in
the special, particular, and direct .way the hon. member
proposed to do.
Mr. ROEBUCK—If the] hon. and learned gentleman
" supposed" that these words had been spoken, might he
not then go on ? (Laughter.)
Mr. MALINS was aware that the difficulty was only a
technical one, which might easily be overcome. He should
therefore proceed. (" Not now.")
The SPEAKER said the house bad no facts before it
touching the seat of the hon. member. (Hear.)
CIVIL SERVICE.
Mr. MILNES postponed the motion which stood in his
seme on this subject till he saw the effect of the commissior
appointed by his noble friend.
SEBASTOPOL COMMITTEE REPORT.
Mr. ROEBUCK postponed his motion on this subject VI
Tuesday the 10th of July.
SUNDAY TRADING BILL.
• OTWAY wished to put a question to the right bon.
gentleman the Secretary of State for the Hems Depart.
ment on the subject of the Sunday Trading Bill, respecting
which there was stated to be considerable manifestation out
of doors on Sunday last. He wished to know from the
right hon. gentleman, as his department was particularly
interested in the maulers, whether the bill had his sanc-
tion, and whether it would have his support if the noble
lord (Lord R. Grosvenor) should persevere with it ?
Sir G. GREY said that it was not his intention to offer
any opposition to the proceeding further with the bill in
sommittu. He would state his opinion on the clauses when
they were before the house. (Hear, hear.)
OTWAY gave notice that on the motion for the
third reading he should propose that it be read a third time
that day three months. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that he should move in
ununittee that all the clubs in London be included. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. M. GIBSON—Wes the house to understand that
the government assumed no responsibility? Was it a go-
vernment measure, or were the government quite indif-
brut ? (Hear, hear )
Sir G. GREY—It was not a government measure. It
bad the support of all the metropolitan members. (" No.")
Mr. MASSEY wished to know from the noble lord lOW-
got he intended to proceed with the bill?
Lord R. GROSVENOR hoped the house would extend
its indulgence to him if he made a reply longer than usual
le the question of the hoe. member for Newport. The hon.
gentleman asked the wrestler,, he presumed, in consequence
et
what took place in Hydsepark on Sunday last. (No,
se.) He begged to inform the house that since that move-
ment he had received several letters from working men, in
which they spoke of the persons then assembled in no com-
plimentary language. He did not mean to speak in un-
courteous terms of those persons, because he did not think
that the expression of opinion of the very humblest ought
to be treated with indifference or contempt.
Mr. ROEBUCK rose to order. (Hear, hear.) The noble
teed was making use of arguments which ought to be
answered.
The IffSAITER said the noble lord appealed to the
indulgence of the house, and it was only by the permission
of the loan he could make a speech. (Hear.)
Lord 1. GROSVENOR—The responsibility of the bill
did not rest with him, but with the house. It was his
intestine esteem the bill. (Hear, hear.)
OFFICIAL SALARIES.
*.WILLIAMS asked the Pint Lord of tire Tru-
ism wiledier, in compliance with the vote of that house on
the nod day of May, the government intended to carry into
Meet the :commendations of the select committee of 1850,
reepeetiog *Seel salaries?
Lord PALMERSTON said that these recommendations
were maturely censidered by the government at the time.
less of them had been carried into 'fleet, and others had
IA; sad the government explained at the time why they
bed not. lie could only say that in the present state of
public biplane they could not be carried into effect.
Mr. WISE gave notice that he would on the 10th of July
move an address to the crown for a complete revision of the
diplomatic establishment of the United Kier/dom.
RECENT OPERATIONS AT KERTCH.
Mr. M. GIBSON wished to put a question to the noble
lord at the head of the government respecting the recent
operation against Kertch. Grave charges had been made
in connexion with that expedition which, if true, would
reflect seriously on the character of England and English
oaken. He did not believe these charges himself, but, if
not tree, they ought to receive contradiction from the
Waiter of the crown. He had seen the chimp made in
private letters, and it also appeared in the public journals.
A eorrespendent in the TIMM aewapaper stated: "When
the allies entered Kutch the following morning the popula-
den made their submission and offered bread and salt to the
sesqueron, in accordance with the Russian castors' end
they were assured they would be protected, and that their
Jives and property should be spared. • • Towards
evening Turkish stragglers from the camp, and others (not
stating who they were) who had fallen out of the line of
march, flocked into the town and perpetrated the most MTG.
etous crimes. To pillage and wanton devastation they
added violation and murder. • • The French patrols'
I endeavoured to preserve order, and succeeded to some ex-
tent ; but not till they had killed and wounded several
Turks and Tartan." He wished to know from the noble
lord whether he bad received any information on the sub-
jut ?
Lora PALIIERSTON said the government hid received

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and I regret to say that I
Austria to be in some degs
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be possible to refer this Inas
I ascribe it, as every man
i ' Europe must 'write it, to i
trace to that lamentable eve
crimes of modern times, I
successive partitions, of Pols
1 Austria took part, and in th
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(Hear, hear.) But, my le
prceeeding ? Three-rouse
3 Poland, with a numerous 1
with the Russian empire. s
• I Booby of Warsaw, has
vaned position in Euro
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, .. dominions of Austria, a
erecting a lice of fcrmidi
the Vistula. She has alai
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self of the first favoura
aggressions in that directi
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difficulty, bat at the ISM
great interests are at sta
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will be improved by heti
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offensive alliance with tl
open to her at any timi
conference,. (Rear.)
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army which she placed
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latter in such a pasitioa
i test ; but I am sorry to
antes that lead me to '
to continued, but that
great diminution of th.
•
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forces for any operat
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and England in the engagements
"On the contrary, she Mesintesred I
engagements with E d and I
the treaty of the 2nd d mber,
ed war with Russia, it agreel
with ber, there should offeu.
es between the three 800
eace were not 'stabile attain
Len the objects of the should
;gements for that par t being
1.) The lit of January tually
'; and when the more began
trong declaration to w is noble
[alluded, namely, that tria had
nits with the Allies, whatever
aces she was determin carry out
Led therefore, my lo Austria
acting to deceive us I say she
avised manner,be cause ly result
og
out her own bad in more
only object which s aid thus
if was to retard or cri our mill-
is she never attens to do.
any sums" which gained
he loudest satisfaction Vienna;
11 remember the telegra despatch
lustria to the Emperor o e French
land, congratulating them en th sop-
a, and desiring to be immosiated with