The Express.
London, England, 1855-03-17 00:00:00

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lea tea 101. mg et mosee, or ' '
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sesilisey.
Ma T. DIINCOII22 vitt "
he how geodsoso hod odd .
soak to hems 1h
mesthis-ises ed Into offset. He
be meld la a time whoa the rososisioadatioe.
dim
Ilk. WILSON sold the proliudnery arrancomeuts week.,
M emspistal eamsenew, sad the lammed masses
oreameses OM the Slat of the peewee month.
INDIA-RUMS TENT AND CAPES FOR T
TROOPS.
O. DUNDAS Masi leek the Iladmeeentary tor
War whether es inestles he semerdmi ladkrubler
erne& dish hose wee eel }Webb Weis kr de Weeps
hot lass brae.* ashy the stashes et the peewee
Kr. Philo NU these 'madam' bed beesoet dusk
bode the goveramsat. sad they bed psalms seselesd
doodads Mai' mud iisearveL Thole wee this eds.
ties la Om ma et the Goose sadwool& teats, that they
would rid to the might to be serried by the soldier. as
they mall Mourked is addiUCATlOtion to his blindest.
EDN. •
Os the mold of Lord PAIXIMION, the arias of
day were vestreed-
Sfr J. PAKINOTON then rose to move Orr Isms ts
is a bill ler the bettor enerararamest sad peemedea
Tenz......aledusatieu la Ragland sad Wales. 11. propisul th
die be kaew the diftealty of the ease. Rs
Tr-1
by is party spirit ; he sought no party tri
Os the emeteeey. it was hie belief that by skiving dm
this maker mould sever be settled. TM slight soh ep-
It was le appose It without yowl to peaty.
Firtglbiog le lett to stet* with ee Mks
was to hie obi ass of the most lifte r
shir
loteaded to premiss that the bill should be psnaleive. H.
eaehleal he woe set wry toad of pesidsive Wide, bat
be dew bow kik* was this safrisse. end be thumbt it
meld be wiry fret k the bit deems at leased, bill
shook be pumbeira. should take the mode aispfrel
ho the efrainistretien et she peer law ; it bed washed wile
semi me applieuble to this ems. is hie bumble
„....lepidew
the asthma memo k the made bora of
ma that will GIN that se INS stesold be distikla7llM
wWdts me a wadi pump k the statute leek whisk
*sold say that ao teesamid be busiest. The but
maw wee the wee la shah ihe =seem &NM by
worked. The arse be peeped to adapt was, is leaperete
tem, th•Hatatiwarimillpg aside%sdfrSt=
dieted@ the Nett if Ibe pawky mikes. H
dais poor-law mime it amid be optimal with the 'Mr
Mese et the dietries to kids whether they would or
weld use Mom the set. His he Mead whom he saw
him, the amebic kr Dumfries, had Weeds&
= le is presedeat in his PAN, Libraries Ast dm
oribeness the eefaspee of the raleprien of the diked.
Zs mispesed. theoehte. that it should be leg to the NM.
pro at to bib libelist hey mkt, m rail set,
*the esti - if ' be, pre.

4 141 it.
,n went,
kiares la et what he lead. He ham We&
=teffil - the segregate et sham& people Mg
got dress--s it Sere were a
nuablerial= whom the mem did net gnash
to We me or the ether. Bat then remised this '
whisk aq ass meld either dispels or deny, namely, th
the chunk bad ea bylaw sad effletwheladag r•made.
vases ever say one et the other denemisansem (Beast)
Let hint readied We hems of the atoll propeetlea of szigt
la g area. Ey the mom it mimed that the WWI
amok* of day abseil segweeesd -by the religiose MOW
was WM ; sad ',them, us fame that 10,605 beisaged to
the Me m& (Obeets.) Oa the other hand, the mother of
ladependent was .alp 463; Raman sailmile 'shook,
BID; semi of Wedges, EN. (Reim bon.) He was not
inat
meidell Mg Muter this ; he ealy Mad it essa desalt
M tile UMW with which they had to deal. Bat without
reishig the ganglia of whether the seeder system wits
good or bad ; essimdft, mete, that it was the beet that
mold be devised, b. Misved that if they attempted to Who
it mien the einMrp, the public would retest it by
• —. eneWeby. %sod sheers.) Let them, ;then,
as ass II sem% emelder, het so molt whet was
&sisal% bat whet was pesedeable. (Bear, hear.)
The which he proposed to Wigan was bow they
The
best isesoill===ith the most sere.
ws•VOm . (Hear, hear.)
enisee of his bin, sad if he bad failed, he had
at issue bees plirlbspi sleghotinded mud bows Ado ia the
matter, and he Medd be reedy to listen to any suggestion
on the The plat whisk he ventured to propose
r
was that
do
emaillisia einewiense
opissuwish eveherymaddsecomibe
winautianon,
awn-
-411=161: Mehemet of the lase.
As How. Ileams—Aied We great ?
Sir J. PAKINGTON—That ma Wei already. He shield
propose else that no chard; 'shed leis derive asp bomb
from the vele swims its meows genesated to receive die.
muting Mabee Mama Weis yea Om the Weskits. Is
like maim me diesentlag ailed would beasts iry the
rate unless its meows, were equally read to eye eho the
Andres of church people, ee, in short, say without
imposiag ups& them their welter religious Michlag.
(Hem.) These broad rules would dips, of en the minas
'cheek; and then come the isapiwtent, queens. of the
menden of new is... He bed bees Witt that he should
make his bli esalse if he did net prom Ws part of it; bat
he meld use secant to bring fa hi meson le so haw
phis • stale; sod Ite would Move the beet.deal with
=4 "sib: grd• at 11411=i that the
leashiell new wheals be la award-
sem with Oat if the majority of the 1114.1. If the
et4edlg M soy district were in sonatas* with
the dimM4 then it would be a March wheel ;
if any Whet eel=
1:21 should have the lupin Mat
sass, then the WOM body ; bet la
saber am the miss to which libeelnal veined with nopest
to the pamiemille of ddldren of ether pinwale= would pre-
vail. (fir. bear.) He wished wow to Metes biased is
those wise won maxims to adept the Amarima system, shoe
be wield hoe war tea very large .aping, which was
held la lismehertse et the smameassamat of last year, in
ardor lie pima admits& He head that at that meet-
log isle& eapeenione were made use 'thy the hem mete-
bee our that lowa (Mr. Bright), whim be was sorry not to
see fa his ghee. The hoe. member, who strongly
append if the oessloz system, mid that be said est
me oral Noliessey einaunisa Wilma religise Ist adihmelle
and the meatless whist timed the adieu y su*ele of fa.
etioeHea la do& ; Set he admitted that it erbr to it.
• semplste Millen as he mast have iastructioa in
Renew of higher Mama. (Hear, beer.) Them isti=e
hem member la thethenes who would owing thee
had audit, to de with edoestiou, bat a very dllliniat saw I
thiestose mataimed in this 'pie sit ef the bee. stember for
lienebealw. In thet welsh he found a !Micro meeguition
of the esteem.import:use which win to be steadied to
religion as ibtedag a part of the 'delimits of shildren.
(Ham Mar.) The quietus wee thus narrowed to a very
smell Nowak foe it elms simply to this; where was the
=le be taught ? (Hear, hear ) The hon. member in
pert of the same speech aim threw some light upon
tido past. He said, "The geishas was, why was it that
the gam whisk bed been established in America, which
megyheite eggishied, and to which everybody sub.
WWI with greeter satisfaction than they subecribed
t2iam ether AIM whatever, Mould not abo be
m this side of the Athatie ?" (Hear, hew.)
M, led the hoe. member to the adoption of the American
*Pim. This raised the question—could the American
Wan be shed la in this country ?He thought not. In
Amedmilhe mete were much more equally distributed than
is dill maaaty. The right hon. gentleman hire quoted
611113 NMI work of ea American writer named Twisselton,
gip the date of educatioa In Musashisetts, from
whisk it -appeared that in every school in the state distino.
Ws 'skims spikes were professed ; but they wore taught
Ohs A hems or in the Sunday school. Would the house
bust to the leashing of religion to English children at
Moe? What were the homes of the thousands for whom
it was proposed to provide educatios, where the name
of the Saviour perhaps wee not even known? (Hear.)
They could not compare a country Intim, in this respect
with a newmttied country like the United States.
The hen. member for Blanchester admitted that religion
eiMuid be taught ; but could he suppose that it would be
ts=t the wretched, ignorant, depraved parents who
in this country ? (Hear, hear.) No such thing :
U imeght at all it must be taught be We schools. There
wets examples of this is both Ostliolio and Protestant
countries. First, he would terse to Austria, where the ph-
cise optima was acted is whisk he mimed to apply—viz.,
teaching the religion of the mejerity of the inhabitants.
The rule was adopeted both in Cadidie and Protestant states,
she ia the O t tifs sad Plehatess mottoes of Switzerland.
Is Emmet the sew tai pesealls&-the teacher of the
wheel was *sleeted from the tweet numsens sect, and leave
wee gives to children of a different peesomien to absent
themeelves from the religious lastmelim. In those
three countries the principle was adopted with perfect
seems. But it was not unknown est in
Mislead. He might refer to the mimed memo
of the Bishop of Menchater when at the hosed of the este-
bested school called King Edward a tieleed, al
The result was that no elan or seat el thell==
refrained from availing themselves of the bewail it that
W
the mum was most iseesssistly pursued.
Why shield net a system which wee
emeessetal la Austria,
Switzerland, sad Teems and is a maims pert of this
country, be applicable to ihe whole ? -(Beer, hear.) Pew
Cully it had • existed far beyond Birmiot hes. for le
may teetenses the national 'Moth had emend to mimes
the slush eatesidsm on dismissing eitildres. To tie other
Mee would testy drive children from U whisk het make
proselytes. This appeared to him the true soled=
of the difieulty. (Hear, bear.) He had explained the,
seeds Is which he asset to apply the principle,
sad bad shown how this difficult question of reli-
gious instesetion might be dealt with. He felt a
dap somistion that, year by year, there was a growing 1
neesesity our sash a immure as this ; end he was willing to
hear the reepsesibility of the proposal be had made. He
kaew that Ms own party would say he had conceded too
meek, end that the dimmeses would complain that he had
oat gas our miaigh I bat he had the satistaetiou of making
ems antitheft' Se a muse whisk he felt to lay at the root
of the welfare ef the eseale, . (Hear, hear.) The right
hem pedemaa this mievid the imelutioi of which be had
'hes Pelee.
Ito meths having bees seccaded,
Mr. Hanna= and Lord U Cecil. objected to the bill.
Lord arAtiLiT spoke wormy is its favour.
Sir G. GREY said the house was sot, of *curse, now
masa apes to =prise a &sided 'plebe ea the merits of
the assure; bat on the pad of thelemenesint be roes toe
the wpm et "MN lib mist mead assent to the int:oder
dem et the 1M The right km geatimase deserved great
milt firths gbh is whisk be upprosebad the subjeet, mai
the game' and oszspnbenshe liberality with which he
desk with it. (Inese.) He sioserely hoped his measure
night remedy the detests whisk sow existed, but he sea-
kneed be we set very sonsuine es that point, and be M-
I mod time the right his. gsaltunan himself did not
la • very simee tom of its messes. The
however, to whisk it maid give rise, maid 0tt...'...ra
tic be lissfal. Oa the gweeral heals of the saeseen
he emeourredi Mei the right honearable gestismas,
sod withontedgussldemelf to the entire sem.
reey et hie they must mimed on the
bads that it greet et the herr deems wire very
insperfestly se altogether steeped in
whisk won the MOM psalm of crime. (Hear. te=
a slues of thimpi not very creditable to • d
shilleed sembiy. la drawing a comparison beiges& Ms
edeedien la this wed I. foreign °mashies, it should be home
in Wad that the system, of Mummies is America and es the
sostimat was oemeleoryt (Hear.) He agreed with We
right he.. genlisesee is Woking that the voluteta
bed Wiled, ihweak he windily admitted that a greasleril:
begs asserd=4. the laudable exertion' of the advs. I
gates of time (Hear.) Bat it failed as a
and wee Ni. to keeping pate with rit
maw of pelliellsOks, and in supplying it gaol
whisk on proved W mist by the edusatirsel elethilea
flofhteeseey ovidosoo an that head wee gives bane the
sammithe ea the Kaashestee gad Selfeed Bill. There woes
them parties before that sommistee—the &demists' of the
voluetai7 swarm the Menem' of the Meashesser and
Salford sines, sal the edelweiss if seenier ednewlies.
The two latest eaves' is the aressefey it eatiodieg the
moss of eineettes. sal the mesas of Weft the
bet they differed es le the elide of applying it Now,
C=forthzi brow esta=l waslAaWalkt
may well le sirperatetswim be was . t."s..'...nweirronnewees
Ad ft was 'sly pormiedve le its absents would reader It
nearly augato7 Is the muntry dishises. He seisidired
the seeelltuties ef Me alassaisad lied le be
eitabliehril by the HU to be seam, Whom it on
the peteelph.ef mepheestithm. It wee lemmata M Rad-
om, pion he toy plea of gene& adesedee mites they
eegrefled go it semi made of sashemme t. edsZSbuskis.
(Hier. hear.)
the mks@ 142 ire the.= hos. geminnen, , was
410 64 in Ildblipat in be

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-.rail te be a M, Of not
sepperted en win to be open to an, and no
ems weep be sempolled*sitesed the religions instruction
of the school if not is assonience with his belief. He was
hot aware that the right his. gestlemaa had mostiesed the
isinst of the rate.
Ilk J. PAXINGTON—A fid, rate.
file O. GMT said he Minded the committee es thie
Ilairestlas smd Is HUI, gad he oasts to the emselsiell
from the
relies that
that there was kis dame,
was
that he had ben led to
pats. (Hear, beau) Sadvcreates of secular oduseisatt
he understood them, did set intend for an edueatioa sew
rate from ringiss. Os the contrary, they said that reli-
gion ought le hen a part of eduestios, but should be
gives dogleg the linos when the mils were set engaged
is the remiss *denim of the school by pries=
selsolett hr the purpose by_the diarist dm
thinning. (Hear, hear.) He saw, therefore, a seamen
geese* in Wish these who were anion for extisdieg the
man mei& arehbe bobber, end he did set
sew diem* of emit a result bong aseseeplished berme
=wore so inommellsabie Menem between the various
The right hes. baronet sampan that the bill, toge-
ther with that of Wsone hissed (Lord J. Rama), Amid
be suited to • eldest eionaines. He saw no objection to
that nem% sew% that it wee saseemesry because the evi-
dence given before the Maathester on Ward Bill oommittre
had exhausted the subject, at lent so far as Manchester
and places like it were concerned, and farther evidence
would be only se mush seedless delay. In the country
matures might be differs*, and the subject might require
further elucidation. The right hon. matlsmea would pro-
bably not press the mend feedbag till after the Easter re-
less. He hoped they wend then append' the subject in •
spirit *thou of proomeng • system of itemoral education.
And whether the Mil wan essemend or set the discussion
would at bast mestere* thepoogsom of negation in the
"'nal Kiev.)
the The /OS 'enigma said that the
rule dews by Ceabittee of Mason at Education to
extend sidstaace is yeeyertka ae the inhabitants of the
district subeiribed, op rated in favour of the rich and against
the poorer districts. He was not premed to say that the sys-
tem they punned was perfect, bat be believed they adopted
the beet system that was possible under the circemstaaces.
(Hear, bear.) They had dens • great deal sot only to
eztend the rposatity of education, but to raise the quality.
The right hes. gentleman said that the standard of the
school:mann wee raised too high. That might be the ease
is agionsionamelber districti, but °snakily the great de-
test semi age won the low standard of education in
the er. (Hear, bear) It was true that whoa a
schoolmaster was highly trained he was often induced to
tura lb lineation to more profitable pursuits. Bet the
proper resany for that was not to lower the standard of edu-
cation, but to rain the position an salary of the school-
master whose occupation, though irksome, was most
hosteashle. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. 'Guinan
meatignei the par4lies of Bt. Giles's and aboreditob.
es show* that the rule adopted by the Committee
of Coebeikwas unfavourable to the peon: districts. Bat
the right** gostipmen did set say whether these pariahs"
had applied in the gnat. There win many other resists
besides the meaty of the dieniat whisk kept back parishes
47.1,:bie from ap lag. Home parishes, foe inkeses, did set apply
bagasse Mimed to the goversessat inspostios, w
was as andillem nth, pan. Bet the rule
of the of Osumi ea he hem at absolute
one, eel Is world be hued that eine of the grants
had bees Node to the merest Minkel of the metropolis.
To ['pheasant they granted Mi.; to It. George's-in-the-
East 2,3011.; to Bt. Mary's, Tothill-fields, 1,11001. • to
Whinchspel, 1,0601.; and to the parishes ismcmAing
Bethnal-gins, 9,0621. (Hear.) The right hes. mat*
man, therehn, lad not done justice to the Committee of
Council is this respect. He should give Ms h assent
to the in of the bill, and hoped that its d a
would the herons of nes. (Hear.)
Mr. .J. POI aril, th ed
at& he Mg net edy adhere
to the nine ~PM by the right hes. 'Whines, he cor-
dially aillmeir the Wham, the labour, the ability, and
the garnet maser In whit& it had bean brought forward.
(Hear, hear.) He wag song to age, by the speech of the
Roble iced, that on ose ids Mere was se symptom of giving
way in respeet to a quake Ware all must yield something
and endeavour to apposimate, if anything was to be
effected to rain, the meat mass of the population from the
degrading state into which they were unhappily fallen.
(Hear, hoar.) Whatever figure' might be quoted in that
house, no one could gainsay the actual facts of the ceases,
from which it appeared that out of every four persons mar-
ried one at least had to make his or her mark :(Hear, bear.)
It was notorious that many of those who came to enrol
themselves in the militia were not able to write ; sod, al-
though the intelligence displayed by the soldiers in the
Crimea was highly creditable to them, it was recorded by
Miss Nightingale, that in the hospitals one man had to read
for two or throe others the religious tracts which were dis-
tributed anteegst the soldiers; thus showing that this
was the properties in which they were able to read.
Nor wee this the only proof of the Murata the present schen
system. A year ago one of the government inspectors Ne•
piratically declared that the schools generally were so per
and inefficient that it would not gratify the friends of nap
canoe If every child in the country were in one of them.
The managers of the mechanics' institutes also lamented'
that their efforts were baMed for want of previous adage-
lion to enable young men to enjoy the advantages offered by
sad establishments. A short time ago some friends of edu-
cation in the metropolis established what was called “ The
People's College." What was the result of their laudable
efforts? Why, they were now endeavouring to combine
with the college an elementary school. However,
they bad sot found sufficient preparation in the
minds of those whom they desired to benefit. la
this state of things, without wandering the eztevalea
of educations, he thought he might say that &meat ire-
meanest in its quality was absolutely necessary to bring
the eon into a state which would be creditable to the 1
national character. There was one festers in the bill
with which he was very much gratified ; he referred to the,
provision that all the schools established ender the bill
should be hoe. (Hear, hear.) He thought that provides
would go far' towards meeting the objection of the right
hon. beronst (air G. Grey), that it would be impossible to
get children to attend the schools. The working classes,
generally "bowed considerable appreciation of superior.
teaching. (Hear, boar.) If one school bed been fogad
better than another it was sure to be eepsclally.resorted he;
end that had Mtn been the case is defiance eves of rell.
gions prejudices. One great advantage which he ntisi-
i from freedom is the schools was that it would eased
an opening for the exercise of • very legitimate
and wholesome influence an the minds of the work-
ing classes by employen. Every employer was desirous of
having intelligent workpeople ; sad when young persons
came to ask for employment, they might fairly tell them
that they must first aturad a gratuitom school in the neigh-
bourhood. This wee no mere speculation. It had been
stated in geld/ue that 120 important firms in Manchester
had declared their determination to make instruction, to a
reasonable extent, a condition of employment in their esta-
blishments. (Hear, hoer.) Were there fres schools all
over the country, there would be no necessity for a compul-
sory system. With schools which were perfectly fres, it would
be practicable to have, what had been attended with so much
advantage in the United States, • graduated system
of schsuelnaMelleing with schools of an elementary cha-
racter, sad *lag granny till; they got to the very
threshold Stalinists instruction. In America, one result
of that madmen Wool system had been to lower the met
of education frost Si to 40 n6O per cent. One word with
regard to the religious question. Had the right hoe. trestle- ,
man attended to the speeches of the advocate' of what was
termed the secular system, be would aot have been as sur-
prised as he appeared to be at the observations made by the
hon. member for Manchester on the occasion to which he
referred, because he only expressed the opinion generally
held by three who were is favour of that system. These
persons did not object to religion being taught at all, but
to its Wog taught by the teacher of reading, mine& and
arithmetie--(besr, bear)—and they were supported in their
view by the peonage; who thought that linear drawing,
perspective, sad the ernamistal arts might be usefully
taught without any admixture of religious instruction.
(Hear, bear.) There were nowise* work throughout the
country which would proven ens the ehildna of profligate
parents from being when' destitute of religious teaching.
Tp the making the ethesimeter the religiose teacher there
were very em4see eldeeline. Ames& them was the danger
of his converthig the atheld host sewn proselything shop.
He should he ea it the debt heseerable gentleman
tSir J. Palpates) weld ealireety sire whether
he low state of tessideg geserelly is sebeAs of which be
ll was let is a 'rose degree attributable
eiOgrll•iL‘a The Masher was sot fee hisensasive
anwirresests se with as for his io Manse* He
swaged religiose leensegion whim he *aught that by re
dots, Mesabi premete a higher thine. His bete Waded
= a =Wen for a missiesary, a siermen, or •
mikes.—was set essaargiat tad
whisk was re-
quired is a Weber of il seitlemstio.
it would set al thus WV:. w
Whin weeemeell is ell
worldly amens ;it wet& set de le have it thee pre&
minute Is the wanting house or the camp. Lot • system
of instrsides, however, be mead sad massive ; let it be
ern% sad there sled
eaa whin selted entitle:est h
beeeling kiples=tste as-
that
the thild wend set be Agleam ewes it there
should sot be that smells depestie teething
whisk the sable lord (Lord E. asemed le semi as
sa
the "be all d end all "el the
powers be thus developed. Illheamiliellii6=B.lhemed. est
though a child wen mist a implements= estbelbuter it
would outgrow supendiss i dumb It was gobs a scep-
tical soh aster, It wend, se its pewees wise *peon to
the Joanne or truth, find its way hawasis that
which was in harmony with human eabissaatreljt:
mead ft to Its highest pitch. Without more, he
thought be had shown • disposition sot to t any th•Cey
whit* he, sad thou woo sated with him on this queens*,
had hitherto maintained stand in the way of a fair north],
and grateful consideration of the measure whin had boas
Lid before the hones.
Mr. M. GIBBON said hs flay agree" with his ben. kiwi

were deeply indebted,
4ingten) for dm manner
subject ander the mmsidration
\ his own convictions, the
taken a considersble step
. . mum of national edit-
reesgaked to a great eitant—though
himself could have wished—the
conseisnoe. There was one state-
baronet's speech to whisk he (Kr.
he referred to the statement that
Ird Bill wss thrown out through •
was the member who moved the
defeated the bill on the second reading,
_)udos to himself, es defend the wares
which he took. Though it was not unimportant whittle*
measures of that kind were private or public, the reason why
the bill was defeated was that it did not meet with the

coneurrenoe of the corporation of blancheeter, who repro-
meted the great body of the rate-payese. When a private
bill was introduced in that house whia weld base timed
the locality contrary to the wish of the great majority of
those whom he reprseeeted, he felt that he would be meet
legitimately discharging his tuty in opposieg its progress.
(Hear, hear.) The Home &eretuy had correctly nem
seated the state of affairs in the committee on the Man-
chester and Salford Bill. He said there were three parties
en the question, the volunteers, the sectaries, and the
Manchester and Salford edecationista ; and the bill
the right honourable baronet was, to a great
intent, if not entirely, the same in principle with
the scheme of the last meationed of those parties.
It any system of national education was to be established, it
mist be through the union of two of these parties. The two
which he thought most likely to unite wen the party of the
right boo. baronet opposite, and the secular party. Upon
the question of rates, it appeared that they were agreed ;
upon the question of local management, he thought they
were also agreed; upon the principle, at least, of separating
religious instruction from secular instruction, to the extent
that perms of different religions might be associated to-
gether in a common school, they were further agreed. The
point on which, he feared, they wen not agreed was this—
It was the rock ahead for the measure before the bean.
The right hen. baronet proposed to make it a condition that
is say meal which was supported by rates some religion or
Woe Amid be taught. Therefore be involved himself in
a sebum of teaching all religions, every conflicting form of
Ibeelottical °pinkie, at the public expense. Now here was
a difficulty which he would find it hard to overcome. The
sincere religious world would not consent to the adoption of
any plan which would have the effect of teaching all forms
of religion at the public szpense. (Hear, hear.) If public
education was to be supported by taus and rates, they
would, he believed, prefer that it should not go beyond
secular teaching, and that the religious portion of education
&odd be supplied by other means, and in other ways. He
would pat it to his right hon. friend, with whom he was
meet anxious to co-operate, what would his hon. friend
bedded him, the member for Warwickshire (Kr. Spooner)
say, if he were one of • minority residing in a parish where
the gnat :majority of the ratepayers were Roman catholic',
if, when the majority had established a school on Roman
catholic principles, he was called upon to contribute se a
ratepayer towards its support? (laughter.) Why the
hon. member would meet such a demand with the indigos-
don with which he met the proposal to make greats to
Maynootb College. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Oitees) *en.
fore was not in favour of introducing the religious de- O
at all. The advocates of the secular scheme bad se lib
to prohibit the teaching of religion as part of the .bare
education. What they coatended was, that attain boom
should be set apart, during which reticles' issirselles
might be given ; that during those; boon csahosii asst
be compelled to attend, and that the school should be
during the other portions of the day for secular
While they recognised the necessity of religious tonebiog,
as part of education, they maintained that if Gametes wee
to be supported by public rates the schools meat be amme•
table to all, which they could not be exempt meder the
arrangement which they proposed. He was is &condition
to state that the secular party had a bill reedy to be intro-
duced. Some time age gentlemen who had taken a very
active part in the promotion of the secular system requited
him to ask the permission of the house to lay it on the table,
and in accordance with that ruined, and feeling, after what
bed passed that night, that it was desirable that the plans of
the respective parties should be under examination at the
ante time, he took that opportunity of giving notice that
be should ask permission to lay before the house a bill for
establishing a secular system of free school'.
Mr. ADDERLBY thought It desirable, especially as
then was a rival scheme, that the bill should be printed
before it was discussed at any length. He was not, however,
inclined to wait for the return of the noble lord (J. Russell)
to discuss any question either of education or colonial in-
terests. He thought that the discussion of that night showed
that a measure like this was not to be played with by &minis-
ter, and that discussion was not hardly required, but what
was wanted was action. They had had proposals, and resolu-
tions, and bills enough, year after year, and yet they hat
not moved an inch in the cause of education. They haffi
before them now two measures, and he supposed, after the
announcement of the right bon. gentleman (Mr. hi.Gibsoe),
be might say that there was • third. But ell thou
measures were based on the principle of local rates as •
means of promoting eduestion. That was • most important
point, and if it was ones established be thought he saw his
way to • system of national education. The voluntary
party was adverse to the bills before the house, but that
party had almost dissolved of itself. There was nothing
clearer, in the opinion of the country, than that schools on,
the purely voluntary principle could not be maintained, and
even if they could they would In of an inferior description.
Their very eleemosynary nature would alone condemn
them ; and their precariousness was also against
them. Those voluntary schools which had not
accepted the miaow* of grants wen the worst in
the kingdom. It was difficult, too, to get the poorer classes
to take the same interest in schools supported by the contri-
butions of certain individualise in those to which they them-
selves contributed. But the voluntary system had broken
itself down ; for it bad taken grants from the Committee of
the Privy Council. If all the best of those schools were re-
ceiving
grants, the question was simply what was the best
kind of public aid to be applied to the maintenance of schools.
It was, in his opinion, clear that such aid should be derived
from local rates. Then, with regard to the kind of education
to be given, the main futures of the schools for the 10Wif
orders should be industrial. For history, geography, and
natural philosophy, however advantageous in themselves,
were rather secondary objects with them. He believed that
if the system of national education had been in the hands
of load bodies for the last twenty years that education
would have been, if less learned, yet more industrial and
practical, and better fitted for enabling the children so
brought up to earn their bread honestly and inde-
pendently. With regard to the secular system there
bad been some ma-statements in the course of
the debate. The difference between the secular
and dean-- •

system wes this, that the secular system
refused to admit any religions teaching into schools, while the
denominational plan admitted instruction and religious
teachings for every denomination. He believed that the
denominational system was the only one which could be
carried out in this eountay. There were some material dif-
ferences in the details of the bills of the noble lord GI . Ras-

sell) end of the right hon. baronet—though they
agreed in the main principle—and he (Hr. Ad.
dull) wan it favour of the provisions of that
of the right honourable baronet as being the most
practicable. There were several points of difference. The
noble lord proposed as the agency for setting in motion his
bill, the town councils and vestries in the different dis-
tricts, and that whatever scheme those bodies devised, if it
onuld obtain the sanction of the Committee of the Privy
Council, it was to be adopted. The objection to that was
that the town council and vestries were slow to move in the
cause of education, and no better instance of it would be
given than when the ratepayers of Manchester came for-
ward to promote a scheme of education, the town °Denali
refused to co-operate with them. The right hon. baronet,
however, put the initiative into the hands of the ratepayers.
Then there was a more fatal objection to the provision that
any scheme formed by a town council or vestry, and sane-
tioned by the Committee of the Privy Council, should be
adopted, and that was the vast variety of schemes that could
be produced, and which would not be subject to the control
of that house, thus introducing a most complicated system
of edseadon. Even the pewees already possessed by
the Committee of the Privy Council were objec-
tionable, inasmuch as they involved a system of
bye legislation on • most important question. The
bill of the noble lord was most crude and hasty, in thus
handing over everything to the Committee of the Privy
Council. Another point that was objectionable in the bill
of the noble lord was that, having started schools in that
way, he handed them over to the management of the town
councils and vestries, whereas the bill of the right ho-
nourable baronet gave the mana.,entent to hoards
elected by ratepayers. He thought the house, judging
by the cheers with which that provision was received,
considered that as a good part of the plea. He be-
lieved that it was an essential part of a system of national
education to hand over the management of the schools to
the ratepayers. On the question of religious teaching, he
thought that whether the principle of perfect toleration
laid down by the right hon. baronet would be generally
acceptable sad egsvened remained to be seen. After some
other remarks eyes the Educative Bill of Lord John
Russell, the les. genthision soscluded by saying he should
nipped. tie maims.
Lori PALMIISTON—I am sure the house is greatly
Indebted to the eight hon. hart who has made this motion,
for the mast isiseesting and able speech with which he in-
&mod it, sherries that he has given his powerful and
vigorous mind S. the investigation of one of the most in-
teresting; and imperbuit subjects to which a public man can
Moe% his ainsades ; sad with regard to the measure which
he hes pregtesed, until it is laid before the hones, and we
have sees ties delaile, I think it is premature to express any
decided splidea es to the comparative merits of the scheme
of the or his. berme; sad that of my noble friend to
whirl!' ~es keg bees made. I think that in truth
some of the ehmewatiess et the hoe. gentleman who has
just eat down, os the bill of my molds friend, were rather
astir:loads, future disesiniens than, perhaps, exactly in
point es the premed Meade& Sir, it is maim* that, as
steed bylheofilbt hes. basset, there is a wed veal of
seems mere oiliest aresegenseats for the wiessie• of the
lower dews. I wanes help *Whim thee he hem is mesas
degree eaeggeratei the nisi of *seises' sad ail meant
of soiraparterinierar *stare to be lbw& is the essatry.
I have se doubt Sit time leainese wblef<hehesiessYesed
were Wiese@ la regent to yid. the foie woe sweetly
stated ; bed I think we are lot entitled to take these iestaaose
a eseuNime whereby to judo ef the geserality of the
sant:, Warr. las *sly say that, so far as my owes
total Movie* nay Woad, I an happy to es, that the

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