The Express.
London, England, 1852-06-05 00:00:00

ZI"to products. ,
Cosapaay to and
made to the Cobanial-,
their regret that their
Island had out been -
reason for that the et
thing of that nature
in California.
The vote was agreed
19,581. was granted .
others in the West India Islands and s
Island, sad 33,0621. for the sauna, Ike., of t.
justices in the West Indies and the Mauritius.
On the rote of 13.780/. for the civil intabliehina,
western coast of Africa,
Mr. ANSTEY complained that there:in-ail ridiarniha
charge of 1001. for the comparatively unimpiallaMS whey sr
Gambia when there was no similar charge hit ilMillifrArans
He then moved to reduce the grant by 400 i.
Sir J. I'AKINGTON regretted that a gonIIMMOM la the
hon. and learned member's position shush ss all the'
grants which were necessary for the support of inkillSOSS of
the church of England as objects for attack. Tbointly dif-
ference between the eases a Gambia and Sierra Leone WAS
that the former colony, being small, looked to that house
for the support of its chaplain, while Sierra Leone supported
a chaplsin itself.
Mr. ANSTEY said he bad pursued a similar comma with
regard to grants to Roman catholic'.
the committee divided—
For the lute
Against it O-14.0
The vote was agreed to, as was that for 10,14021. far the
gos..lllßlPllt of St. Helena.
The nest v. 4. was 7,049/. for Weliella Australia.
Mr. ANSTEY proposed to reds', the vote by 3001.,
being the amount proposed to be pallets rent and salaries
for the colonial chaplains.
The committee divided—
For the vote
Fur the reduction 9-103

ma the

The vote wail Shen agreed to.
The neat vote was 4911. for the expenses of the establish-
ment at fort Erlnron.
Mr. WILLIAM obected to nacre' items in the iota.
Sir J. PAKINOTON said that Port Essington war a
eouvict establishment and required both medical and reli-
gious attendance.
The vote was then agreed to, &swan the vote for 4,0911. for
the eapenws of the naval establishment at the same place.
On the nest vote, of 10,000/. fur Now Zealand,
Mr. ANSTEY moral that the vote be reduced by 1,1901.
is ecesedanee with the recommendation of the colon ial
governor.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the chairman report proses ss.
After • few words from Mr. L. Ilaewoutu,
The motion was agreed to.
On the question that the chairman ask leave to sit again,
Mr. ANSTEY complained that certain allowances were
nude out ot public funds on their passage from the Trea-
sury without the authority ur s inction of parliament, and
were sot mentioned in the i glares. The hon. member
nonmersteft a list of such allowance, 'negating to more
than 3,000/. It was, in his opinion, • most pernicious prate-
dee, and, though the charges themselves were not object-
fineable he requMed of the government some explanation
with reliard to it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
every Rem to which the hos. and learned gentleman had
telleend was paid under speciae eels of puliensallat.
(Hama bear.)
teitetion was then agreed to.
house resumed, and leave was then given to sit again
IS Monday nest at 12 o'clock.
The Scotch Mills for Flax (Ireland) Bill passed through
asnsmittee, as did the Pimlico Improvement Bill proforma.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that
he proposed on Monday seat at 12 to take the Metropoli-
tan Interment Bill, and, if possible, the Water Bill MP
Mesdiately afterwards.
The house rose at 4 o'clock.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
COLONIAL BIAIIOIPI BILL.—By Lewd J. RUSSELL,
from New Brunswick, against the Colonial Bishops Bill.
NUNNERIES.—By Mr. LACY, from a place in Surrey,
praying for the inspection of nunneries.
BUTT me Corr.—By Mr. COBDEN, from Aberdeen,
against any alteration in the duty on foreign corn.
WEST INDIA SUGAR.
Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY said he had given no-
tice of a question he wu about to put to the Chancellor of
the Exchequer, but as he was not in his place, perhaps the
right hon. gentleman the Colonial Secretary would answer
it. He wished to know whether it was the intention of
the government to put British West India sugar on the
same footing as foreign sugar, with regard to refinement in
heed.
Sir J. PAKINOTON said he knew his right hon. friend
the Chancellor of the Exchequer had received a deputation
on the subject, but he was not able to give the hon. mem-
ber any answer to his question.
NEW ZEALAND BILL.
On the order of the day for going into committee on this
bill,
Sir J. PAKINGTON said that before moving that the
Speaker do leave the chair, he wished to prevent several peti-
tions. One from Mr. William Con who had been 9 yeses
at Wellington as an sent of the New Zealand Coly=,
and a magistrate; one from Mr.Wsld, of Skireste
1 Wellington ; one from Ciai 40mgaittee Oi llislogOalalt 0,
W. Cauterbury Association; one from Mr. Nolan, who had
resided 4 years at Wellington; one from Mr. Wingfield ;
one from Mr. Cook, who had resided 9 years at New Ply-
mouth ; one from Mr. Garrett, who was five years an inha-
bitant at Wellington ; one from a number of guanine
who were going oat as colonists to Canterbury; and
several from different colonials; all of which erne to the
same effect, praying that the bill might pus, altdmmgh eons
objected to one part of it and seen to other poet The
last petition he bad to present was hem Mr. Gibbon Wake-
field, which was very lengthy, but which treated the •
tion of the legislature foe the colony with his swot
and which earnestly prayed that the bill as it steedt ;
cii
par into a law. The right hon. geallamen thin
to say that before going into aseamittee wield
explain the changes looepraead la make in the den& of
the measure, the only of via* was to give the
nista of New Zealand beat parible government, ass-
sistently with imperial candieradems, which it was hassea-
bent on the legislature to ebeerve. a• lad received several
valuable suggestions from different KO qualms of the
greatest weight in the haw Ac the impreesemegt of the .
bill, of which the chief were, that he should Navy the peo-
eedent of the Australian Act of 1842, este district
municipalities, with powers restricted to with
municipal subjects only, and the other, that It should
be left to the central legidatar v. whim homed,
to provide for municipal pmeimmaat is the emirate
districts in such manner as they ,held Wok beet.
With respect to the fint psis% lie beanies in
framing the bill had h.eS the abgrist Antares
should, in fast, be end Anse awed be Ettle
practical difference is the preen Odom bodies
as was dame is the biL To the semi suggestlen he
thought it • fatal *jades that A Ueehl bag to
great las• of time. It Was to alas sa-
tisfactorily the limits of the I Ilea Ji&diedess
respectively ; bat he held it to be rent genelN nth* &-
tare welfare of the eslosy that Soy Ihniabonealesnatral
legislature, with mew Families* to thus. of the heal
bodies, which ehesldbe trallsol to She allidesef the laelity.
On this sateen be AA lad brelpialt emseriestlea with
many of these who lad the AWNS Meng M As crethre
of the chief setelemests *New lealend. and they van-
Womanly doing that be should pressed with the bill
as it riteml. He had, brraver, esse a the asnehrien that,
Waal of the megeekneedants of the ollthrent emission
beha neadanted toy the pansinerd. as magma
eta he
WA they Amid be Assisi by the seas elle es the
Alesable. enact be sheild gapes ale alinidia Ss that lent
asseedhogly. It eight be dledolal whether A we. asellet-
At with the senstitalea Oa Ahoy ANAL salation
en
aleative ezesselve ; bet be leaked an She Want dis-
able met as segerate seignior, bat as stasiiipallties, sad in
Fras they were se would be Ala ergoeuity to the
ad: al
pesetta of the Delthh ellen La =Alas
t • anseatla elective. The next paint related to
the dare he had introdesel with respect to the rights
of the New Zealand Cempany. He thought him-
self hand to use steered to the company their
equitable defile saber the set of 1847, whatever these
might be and to take care that the effect of the bill should
not be to leave Sea in a worse condition than before.
After full consideration he proposed to abandon the ori-
ginal clause,securlng to the New Zealand Company the sum
=seas acre on land sales, and to adhere to the original
t, by which the company was to receive one-fourth
lithe price of the land sold. The last point he had to
rig was that, in addition to placing the lands of New
fetid at the disposal of the legislature, he should be
=l4 in the event of any great mineral discoveries
made in its territory, to advise the crown
to plan the whole of the proceeds at the disposal of
W local legislatures. By the mail which left this
reentry yesterday, he bad announced to the Australian
manna the intention of her Majesty's government to place
the Australia mines unrestrictedly at the disposal of the
Australian legislatures.
Mr. AOLION BY gave credit to the colonial secretaryy for
the liberality of his views. On the part of the New Zealand
Company, all he demanded was that they should he placid
la the same position as they were is by the act of 1817, and
suggested • reference to decide what that position was.
After • low words hem Sir J Pacteolow,
Sir W. MOLESWORTII charged the New Zealand Com-
pany with hula( obtained the set of 1847 by—if not lois-
represestation, et least by concealment of the troth.
Mr. MANGLES could were the hon. bamnet that he
(Mr. Mangles) and the other representatives of the coin.
ply, would be equally prepared to rebut any each charge.
The house then went intemrasnittes on the bill.
fbe fret e'auu was agreed to.
Oa the second Wane,
Sir W. MOLES WORTH moved, pursuant to notice, the
annum of the clause, and all the enbsequeet (games to
the thirty-emend eleine, mil de their need to enbmilute
the following: " It shell he borlti /girths General Agar
bly, by act or acts, to imespesene the inhabitants of any 1
district within the said colony, sad Is establish in Rash
trice • mina for the local gevenement Coen : asehromm
nil shall hare power to make all. end hpe-lewo he par
Tiding fur any matters which shell be egagally salgeoled to
the &Teeth)* nod control of the said row it by any law of
the said °coeval Assembly." He shagether objected to
the scheme of the bill to divide New lealend into sir ants,
each with a distinct provincial logiannre sod geverament.
Mr. ADDERLEY thought that beds the km. Mem*
and the boom and the government were
of
d Inv
uly the same point; and he believed Ad the et the
hen. barbnet was only different is degree Asa aims
of the bill.

it was clear that time
rt.,,,11,
7 erits.
a to end ri
f !their eld by tle
for its; but
n the 5?4e thei a
t on the part wb
drearstseces t was • fry ea
_ _-...ea as pusnr et the bill, so that it Arid
bi passed thicareler.- ties mesas takeeshp Use ken.
breast Mir W. Maisinvartb) would not preemie
The that
vas wish. opium brit of leigovernemeg had
Mona, was that lbw 555514 be OM general
*shirrs hi Hai Zealand; sled likewise,
*add be reel bodies, for local purposes, books' sees or
lees legielotive power, but partaki as hid been ,
mesa era ranistpal then of • supreme dragaces.
These berg the main *eels he hoot wined,
in Impost to the slaps of the bit, that A
had begs& with • *Orem for the
whole el the colonrullar, rade the peons of those ,
various red bodies, rather derhod from the gesseral powers
that esters the seenesserernst of the bill. Est that was a
&Imes. oat solliest ft assesitute an defter ; end, as
the commlaMe lad now board **views of the Me. hoonst,
hs (Lod John irmesil) wail, for his park abbe ea
government to prow the measure in its present shape. Hs
did not wish to dispute the point as to whether the legis-
lative council should be appointed 'qty nomination
or be elective. lie should certainly have preferred the
elective principle which was intended by Lord Grey, but
on that he should not give a vote if it was not in areinisitoe
with the views of the government. There was a proposal
In the bill that there should be • limitation in the number
of the legislative iouncil, and that they should be appointed
for life. Ile thought there would be considerable
of this body thwarting the representative body. If
had a body appointed for life, he thought it wa absolutely
necessary that the crown, or the governor, as reperentative
of the crown, should have the power of making that body
from time to time act in accordance with the greed Mew
entertained by the representative body and of the people
the colonists at lasi„ ior ~sherwise they Wetild have the
danger of a ;rarity setting up against the majority.
This evil would be obviated by removing the restriction
that the nffinber should not be more than fifteen, which
seemed an unnecessary restriction to the power of the crown.
If that contingency should arise, ho thought it desirable
that the crown should have the power of augmenting the
number. The noble lord concluded by expressing • hops
that the bill would pass daring the preseut session.
Mr. R. DENISON said the question was, whether they
111186 ii great etre .' on the central legislature, or they
Ob laeli es great prominence to local legislatures. The
et argument seemed to him to be in favour
ef sorra rI teratbig it with everything that
eleweld ens I sod humor.
Mr. MOWA it would have been better to
have had the sus dumber elective, requiring a higher
qualification M MIIIMINI by the right hon. member for the
ielversity of Oxford (Mr. Gladstone).
After a law words from Sir J. PAIINOTON and Mr.
MORATT,
Si, W. MOLESWORTH withdrew his amendment, and
the Manse was thee agreed to.
amiss sls 17 were agreed to with some verbal =cad-
ger,.
Oa dries IS,
Sir W. MOLESWORTH (in a few remarks that were
Unintelligible in tho gallery), moved an amendment to
asetriet the powers of the provincial cowrie to the making
of bys-laws.
lir. GLADSTONE remarked that whoa Ohs hem baronet
said the provision as it them semi gam alhat Is his (Mr.
Gladstone's) views, and not to thole of the Seseetary of
State. he did more than justice to him, and less than jostle.
to the right hon. baronet. The ;crest meat of the
measure was, that the intclF gent and deliberate will of the
colonial community would find its way into the institutions
of New Zealand, and would shortly fin and determine those
institutions. If that will should be in favour of the local
principle, that principle would gain more and more scope;
but if, on the other band, public opinion should be in
favour of the central legislature, that would prevail.
(Rear, hear.)
Sir J. PAEINOTON thought the observations of the
right hon. gentleman were a complete answer to the pro-
posal of the hon. baronet, and he had nu hesitation in to-
jecting his suggestion.
The clause was agreed to.
On clause 19,
Mr. F. PEEL proposed, in the 20th line, to emit the
words " lands of the crown or," his object being to give the
local councils the power to appropriate the proceeds arising
from the sal* of the lands within their respective limits,
and also to give them control over the sale of th• waste lands
of the crown.
Sir J. PAKINOTON said that the print proposal was
a great boon, and had been accepted as by the colonists;
and he therefore felt unwilling to run the risk of impairing
that boon.
After some conversation,
Mr. SCOTT moved the omission of the words " Post-
office and."
Sir J. PAILINGTON suggested that they. should go re-
Vetizaarsetak=a. They were going back from
APao a olmoMnadlo,
The mo= of Xf. Scott was put ae,, negatived
wittiest a ,
Clean MI wee shun agreed to.
Clauses HI sad 21 were else agreed to.
Oa iimesill, requiring half the members of the murals
Ilet before they could proceed to brines,
expressed his o_pituon thatlllg) prwecirtien
Mgr ie. ;ulisiottser
cot one-fourth
e*
to make thseu quorum
MON* elle Mrs agreed to, as were clauses 23 to 28,
mahout glasoesks.
katlWatare'rawikgifibrvidedewedhaby Ittehiplvarrndortr the
Iwo yeses,
Sir W. MOLESWORTH objected to the period as too
hoBig.
r J. PAKINGTON said the period of two years bad
Ur fixed with a view to the possibility of a reference to
the imperial government. The provision might be untie-
Weary were Instructions given to the governor, in certain
ewes, to grant or withhold his assent.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, In answer
des lit. V. Smith, stated that the provision had been intro-
deed surly with a view to the possibility of appeal to the
sasiospolitaa government.
Alhar some conversation,
wr I. PAKINGTON said he tilt the weight of the
elidendeas, sad was ' ' to yield to them, and leave
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iiiposed
owl ell tie wards relating to the period for disillowanom
(Hem, hear.)
Mr. AGLIONBY said the cffect of this would be to
leave the matter in utter uncertainty, whether the bill'
would be disallowed or not. A limit must be Seed ; but
that would be better done by the authorities in the co
Sir J. PAKINOTON proposed to substitute "three
maths" for " two years." (Hear, hear.)
The' imes, thus amended, was'agreed to.
la dame $O,
W. MOLESWORTII popeyed the same altered.%
mid* was ends, sad the dales was agreed to, as wad
dames 31 sad 33.
Oa dean
Bir 3. PAEIROTON said that, in deference to the lug-
geodes af the aside lord (Rua ell), he proposed to leave out
all the weds Main the lumbar of the legislative conned
to IS.
11, W. NOLBSWOZTH sell be esnceived it would be
ME N& to and milkiest =SWIM he this body. The I
of their nesiadies woad degehe the sees popular MB
thdr lelliessee ler, rightly 1,111.1111*, the feeling la
cwiatay was styli= sided oes. (Hear.
Ude' were developed there, an •
bees hi= there would be in reality bat sae hiseek
Be pressed pied the cansaltatisa of this aeadeatall de
east arab'', es *left gestrastive of the bins M
power la the easy, sad se asalreMeisig the reel daremai
dee element which wee furahhed by the elected deader.
(Hear, hear.) It would be ea Ingrevesent to ISM WV
tlu 111011kben to retire every four years. (Hear, beer.)
Mr. MO WATT said that the bill would be utterly skin
kw If the presaat ohms were retained.
Mr. CARTER hoped the lea. basset (Sir W. Hie
worth) would divide the unasittee ea *ls quads% be.
cause he regarded it as doe seem Implant dare is As
bill.
Sir J. PAKINOTON theight thst ea siempeeled slee
was attached to this elms wheaß was Wirt the other
parts of the bill would be valueless if it INK out iced in the
bill. He was sure this was not the opinions in any of
the colonies, that a nominated chamber would render re-
presentative institution*perfectlyvaluelem. An upper elected
eba her wee an ego, riment which hnil never vet been tried
within the British dominions. (Hear.) It sight but be
an unpopular avowal, but he would say that nothing should
induce him to change the clause. (Hear, hear.) He bad
the strongest opinion on this point; and, with respect to
the statement that the plan had worked well in the United
/gates, he could only sac that, with every respect for that
country, he was not disposed to look fur precedents there.
(Hear, dies.) He preferred the institutions of his own
- ( flee- '

=. (tsar, bier.) The boa.gen na tt ti;in bad
no argument In favour a( an elective uppet cham-
ber which would not equally apply to an elective crown and
an elective executive. (Hear, hear.) He was of opinion
that the institutions of the colonies should be as similar as
possible to those of the mother country—should, in fact, be
a reflection of the institutions of the mother country. (Hear )
There was no precedent for an elective upper chamber.
He hoped the house would not Content to strike out the
clause. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. I'HHL end that if the right hon. gentleman
'fished that the colorists, or their descendants, should pair
w institutions similar to those of the another be

tilAit. He considered the present af-
' • ty of trying so Meeting coon-
' )
a; POLS-aid that one obserritiem of the hosi.
ntl Tt ' confirmed by the illustration whist he bed
fast used °perinea him that the clause as it 'toad ought
ed be agreed le. • The value of an upper amber one-
sista, as the boo. gentleman
.observcd, Is presenting a
barna to laity and crude legislation on the one hand,
whilst, on the other, it would act as a valve against the
unties encroachment of the crown, and it was fur them
masons precisely that he thought _the soasmittesaboukt.
agree to the clFs. (Hoy, hear. He believed that a
!better oldotcd I.mato would Iv &m esa foga out to the
colonies whenthey knew that they would lire under the
gime laws and inetitstilems to which they were accustomed
at base. (Hear.)
Mr. AGLIONITmsfdIe was not opposed to a second
amber, but he themilatis advanteges could be obtained
in some other ways= nominating the members of
r which it "mono be
Mr. Anneal= vs& if opiates that a slemisotod
siosiew wish. be sullsileely Sid eneedas& of Or
match, Thona fio amid molt prefer an eisothe oboes-
bet Nit sesame one, if the dale bon. made
moat a otos pill seen. bo (Mr. A would MI
smisif Irbil@ mod Weirdo of the NE*, or
loralisay 1111 mosost Ibis det et.
lopporgod diopropodifen of his right
low klearmisiSs moseedved that from an upper chant-
bog, asolluoml as be "'spend that it should be, they might
Misty *aped vaults dm/At to those witnessed in this
country. Ms ow in tho popmed chamber the sera of a New
Zealand basis of lira; and he maintained that
it was was to Sad halt with a constitution because
they could net at ones detect io it elements similar to those
of the Hoses of Lords I. this country.
Mr. V. SMITH must own that lie was astonished and
disappointed at the alteration which had taken place in the
tone of her Majesty's ministers on this subject. The right
hon. gentleman the Secretary for the Colonies had himself
laid down the doctrine that the wish of the colonists was
the first thing to be considered, and he was sorry to find
him departing from it. The right hon. gentleman must
expect to be asked by the colonists generally why ho did
not give thee!. the constitution of the Cape of Good Hoot.
Notwithstanning what had fallen from the hon. meager
for North Staffordshire as to endangering the fate of the
bill, he considered it his duty to assist that principle to
which the colonists most firmly adhered.
Mr. MO WATT said the main argument of the right hon.
gentleman ia favour of his own ',renewal ern. that
there was no precedent for a double elective chamber and
that it was wholly at variance with our system of COlOniiii-
tion. jle admitted the fact, but what was the conse-
quence ? Why, that instead of our colonic' having been
legitimate outlets for our eons and brothers, 99 out of every
100 emigrants bad gone to colonies belongiug to other
countries.
After a few words from Mr. ARDENT and Sir W. 240LV1.
WORTN,
Bir J. PAKINOTON declared that this claim involved
a decided principle, which must be maintained. The right
hon. baronet (Sir W. Molesworth) had taunted him with
creating six petty republics by this bill. Ho had done no
such thing. Ile merely offered the colony free institutions,
and if the taunt were well founded, every city in the king-
dom would be a petty republic. (Hear, hear.) Before the
committee divided, he would beg to remind them of the
suggestion made by the noble lord the member for London,
who had stated that, although be might be disposed
to agree with Lord Grey in preferring an elective
chamber—(heat, hear)he certainly should not be
to endanger the bill on that point. (Hear, hear.)
TV. MOLESWORTH thought the right hon. baronet
was not proceeding in a fair m . He (Sir W. Motes-
worth) though objecting seriously to the bill, had given way
to the majority, and he thought that now, when the
government was likely to be in a minority on • question
that did not affect the principle of the bill, they certainly
ought not to threaten to throw up the bill if placed in a
minority. He and his friends were prepared to agree to
the bill without offering • factious opposition, and the right
hon. baronet ought not to threaten them with throwing up
tho bill because there was a chance of their succeeding in
amending it.
Sir J. PAKINOTON acknowledged the fairness ex-
hibited by the right hon. baronet with reference to the bill,
but he (Sir J. Pakington) had already given way on many,
some of them most important points, and was not prepared
to do so on this.
After • few words from Mr. WALTER, the committee
divided.
For the clause
Against it
The clause was then 'greed to.
Clauses from 41 to 49 inclusive., were passed without any
discussion of importance, as were those from 61 to 73 inclu-
sive.
On clamps 74 (relating to arrangements with the New
Zealand Company).
Str NV. MOLESWORTH (who had a long amendment
on the paper) suggested that at that hour (midnight) they
should not go into this question.
Mr. DISRAELI said that the discussion in reference to
the New Zealand Company might be taken on bringing op
the report.
Sir W. MOLESWORTHfobjected ; and
Mr. DISRAELI then suggested that the 74th clew
should not be tabu until the other clauses had been dis-
posed of. (Hear, hear.)
Sir W. MOLIEWORTE assented, but Mr. AOLIONDT ob-
jected ; and, Meer some further conversation,
The house resumed, the chairman reported progress, and
it was agreed to take the committee again on Thursday
next, after supply.
THE EXPULSION OF BRITISH PROTESTANT
MINISTERS FROM AUSTRIA.
In answer to Mr. ANETET,
Mr. DISRAELI said he believed the papers in reference
to this matter were printed, and they would be laid before
the house.
THE CASE OF MR. MATHER.
Lord D. STUART said some papers had been laid ea Ise
table that day respecting the outrage committed as Mr.
Mather, and it would appear from these papers that tho
government entirety disavowed the proceedings of Mr.
Sennett. As he read these papers, Lord Msbnesbury en-
tirely disavowed Mr. Barlett, and was not satisfied with
the arrangement he made. He hoped government would
inform the house if he was right in so reading the despatch,
and whether it was their intention to take further steps to
obtain redress for Mr. Mather.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER must say
he was rather surprised at the question. The government
bad placed on the table of the house all the papers ; and, if
the noble lord asked the government what opinion he was
to form from the papers, the papers would soon be in the
hands of members, and, whatever opinion they would form,
•it we ' • would be

he wu conlitiont ktmeal he min ratialassieri
to the rummest Tla posts woe loil ea the labia
and really hem osionitees mild Sod hem Mar ema *lda
Lord D. STUART mid the M. gendomen seresialy
could not be called apes to 1111 him eat ether members
what opigions they were Pe tam, bet he maid he called
upon, and he did sail urea blor—,(Lond cries of " Spoke,"
" Chair.") He believed he was In order in answering the
question.
The SPEAKER said the sable lord was est stately in
order. He could only ask wee question. He mai not
mike another speech and ask meeker gushiest.
Lad D. STUART did am wish to make another speech,
but the right hon. masses misanderstood him. He did
sat ask Ma haw he wee to arm ea opinion. het ne ialsoded
le ask him whether it wee the halation of ha Megssty's
gsesrnment to take further steps to °Male redress tar the
wirers on Mr. Mather ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his
owwww was tide :—They had placed upon the table of the
home ell Os papers on this subject, and among these
papers there was a deepatoh describing the ulterior steps
which her Majesty's government were prepared to take.
Mr. M. MILNES comeived his hon. friend was somewhat
immature in his demand on the government. In one sense
the moment papers wore laid on the table of the house they
were supposed to be in the possession of the house, but
they were not so. He had no doubt that to-morrow, when
the papers were in the pomeasion of members, and when
the qucstioa was again put, as he trusted it would be by
his nulhe friend, he hoped her Majesty's government would
be able to give a satisfactory answer.
THE MEETINGS IN BONNEWS-FIELDS.
Mr. WY LD said it had been the comma Is hold meetings
on Sundays for religiose ia Duressewilelds, bet
the het few Suiep they W ham ilipmeiL He Wood
the right hon. genersom the Seeretary Ihr Ihe Home De.
pirlatent whether orders bad been given to that Meet item
NI department.
kr. WALPOLE said he had answered thinhehlest twin
babes hat for the wished= ef the hen. ipimlismaa he
would answer it again. Inhematles ems to the slime is
reference to certain meetings In Donneeollelds, where
people lectured on blasphemous, obscene, and immoral sub-
Teets, to the great annoyance of the respectable inhabitants
of the neighbourhood; and in consequence these meetings
had bei n stopped in the same way as similar meetings were
stopped some time ago in Hyde-park and Green-park.
PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION BILL.
Mr. ANSTEY moved that this bill be read a second
The motion was negatived wittiest a division.
TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINUANCE BILL.

This bill pawed through committee.
PABBENOERS' ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. W. BROWN moved the addition of a clause to this
bill. [The hon. gentleman did nut explain it, but it was
read by the clerk st the table, and the purport of it we
understood to ho to give so appeal against the decisions of
the persons appointed under the act to inspect and regulate
emigration vessels.l
Bar .1. PAKINOTON said he should have expected that
the hon. gentleman would have explained the clause, and
have given his reasons for moving it. After careful consi-
deration, he had arrived at the conviction that this clause
would bo fetal to the of of the bill. The hill was

punishment upon it; and also to make
ay the costs.
tION moved that the house should

van.
liaie debate was adjoursed till Monday.

SUITORS IN CHANCERY RELIEF BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
BISHOPRIC OP CHRISTCHURCH (NEW ZEA-
LAND) BILL.
)Ir. Secretary WALPOLE proposed that the debate on
this bill should be adjourned to the 16th of June.
Mr. KEOGH hoped the government would name a day
that would not interfere with the general election. (Laugh-
ter.)
Mr. ANSTEY said they had better fix it for the 23d of
June, and moved on amendment to that effect.
Ultimately the amendment was withdrawn, and the
debate was further adjourned to the 16th Juno.
TRUSTEES ACT EXTENSION BILL.
. .

The report on this subject was received, and the bill
founded thereon passed through committee.

SAYINGS BANKS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
THE CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) ACT.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND post-
poned till Monday his motion on this subject.
Mr. KEOGH protested against the discourtesy with
which the Irish members bad been treated. Early in the
evening the right hon. gentleman had been twice applied
to, to know whether he would postpone this motion, or
say that it should nut be brought on at a late hour ; and
be had refused to do so. He would therefore
move that the house should now adjourn. Ile protested
against proceeding with Irish business at that late hour,
sod he would not, he could ilmure the right hon. and learned
gentleman, facilitate public business by treating the Irish
members with which they were treated that night.
(Hear, hear.) He would oppose this bill in every stage.
lie did not think the bill at all necessary, and even if neces-
sary, it was one of a nature that should not be introduced by a
provisional government. (Hear, hear.) Be should, there-
fore, move the adjournment of the house.
Mr. NAPIER. said that the bill was a renewal bill, and
he did not think it would meet with any opposition. lie cou:d
only say that he would treat every member of that bout
'as L gentleman. And no threats of the hon. and learned
gentleman would make him forget his duty as a gentle.
I man, and as the first law officer of the crown in Ireland.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ANSI'EY said that the right hon. and lamed gen-
tleman
had not met the charge of the hon. an learned
member for Athlone. But the fact, Le supposed was, that
the right hon. gentleman was fishing for a night when he
might not receive any opposition. (Oh, oh.)
The CHANt,ELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it
was nut to the advantage or credit of the house that their
discussions should end every night in an unseemly brawl.
The disease had almost become chronic now. (Hear, hear.)
He was sure his right hen. friend did not intend any dis-
courtesy to the hon. and learned gentleman. (Hear, hear.)
Ile hoped, therefore, the hon. sad learned gentleman would
withdraw his motion.

Me. SCULLY said that Irish members had a right to
complain that Irish questions were brought on at so late an
hour. They ought to receive an assurance that no im-
portant Irish business should be brought forward at an
unreasonable hour. If the right hon. and learned gentle-
man had only told his hon. and learned friend that this bill
would not be proceeded with, the Irish members might
have gone to bed long since.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER refused to
recognise the distinction between Irish business and English
business. 11. did not think that Irish members shoull go
to bvd whilst the English members were compelled to tit
up to transact the public business. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. KEOGH said that he informed the noble lord the
Secretary for Ireland that he would opposo the bill at
every stage and in every line. (lieu, hear.)
Mr. SADLEIR said that there was • distinction made
between English and Irish business, for no important Eng-
lish measure would be brought forward et that late hour.
Lord NAAS said he certainly told the hon. and learned
gentleman that he would bring on the bill at a late hour,
because he did not think the hon. and learned gentleman
was serious in saying that ho wouid oppose every line of the
bill, Peeing that ho had supported it, when it passed into a
law before.

The motion wu then withdrawn.
An unopposed return wu ordered, and the house ad-
journed at 2 •cloth.

2-z;ite Orpreoo.

TO (:OfiIIIiBPONDENTB.

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LONDON, SATURDAY, JUNE 6.

3Vmtwr Parliament is busily engaged in giving a
constitution to New Zealand, the public seem
intent upon supplying a population for Australia.
Emigration is more and more the fashion—the
thing itself among some classes, the topic among all.
Country cousins tell us that "the furor is spreading;"
and in town there is no competing topic, unless it be
the betting-houses. Never was a sprinkling of Ger
mans so needed in our society, if it be indeed true,
as the proverb tells, that "where two Germans meet
together, there there are three opinions." Opinions
are in intense demand, as to how emigration to Aus-
tralia is to be managed, and what will be the result
of it. It is a time for Englishmen to rival Germans
—to hold each other by the button, or sit in
pairs over their dessert, and see if they cannot
achieve three opinions. We cannot have too many
to pick and choose from.
One of the most significant opinions appears to be
that power should be given by parliament to enlarge
the means inherent in the poor-law for purposes of
emigration. At present, the law allowsan expenditure
of 101. per head out of the rates—and no more ; and for
this expenditure the sanction of the Poor-law Com-

missioners is required in each individual case. When
this enactment was made no oue dreamed of such an
occasion as has arisen ; and there seems no reason to
anticipate any serious opposition to an enlargement
of the powers of the Poor-law Board in this direction.
Till this can be arranged, it is thought by many that
our citizens cannot do better than anticipate the
operation of a new enactment by raising loans, and
it necessary, charitable sabeariptions, to eke out
the allowance already legal oat of the rates.
Then comes an opinion, on the one hand, that it
is an insult to the colony to send out paupers.
On the other hand, there is an opinion that, however
true this might be if paupers were sent out in return
for the money of the colonists, it has nothing to do
with our despatch of emigrants by means of our own
rates. It is a sufficient boon, we are told, to the
colony, to be furnished with labourers at all; and we
have a right to send out those that we do not know
what to do with within our parish bounds. This is
a controversy which will probably be settled by
events, ere long ; by the possible event of our
having so few able-bodied paupers left as to narrow
the question to a mere nothing. Meantime, lot all
who can, give an opinion as to what is the
best security against Australia being made our weed-
pit, instead of our nursery-ground of perpetual pro-
mise. Now is the time to consider this ; for the in-
habitants of any parish or union must have more
control over the application of their money, while it
is given as a subscription in aid of the rates than
after it becomes a rate. It may be that the law, when
obtained, will lay down the conditions of emigration
by parochial funds. Whether so or not, citizens
had better be thinking about it, and learning what
has been done in the case of inland migration, and
with what success. It appears to be incontestable
that when Lanto*re has called for a supply of
labour from Wilre, or when Norfolk labourers
have been wanted to stimulate the old-
fashioned tillage of the northern counties, it
has been found best to give the promotion
to the choicest among the independent labourers,
whose place at home may then be filled by the best
selected fro— workhouse. If nbe

men .._ _ from the .t emigration
promotion, it seems important to public morality that
the workhouse should not be its port of embarkation.
If we complain that our condemned malefactors take
heaven by storm more triumphantly than innocent
men, we may u well avoid the somewhat analogous
moral mischief of passing over the striving indepen-
dent labourer, to confer the election on him who has
given up the struggle. If wo have any consideration,
too, for the colony, we shall remember what over-
- - temptations are - around her;

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