The Express.
London, England, 1852-02-21 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 21, 1852.

*dew that is wary war we my be in future seamed in overboard the previsimas of the Local Militia Aet: would my, es we ooestently put k is the Mutiny
with sweet tits greet prime of Ramp ere the caked rely visits& to mink the sum. (Greet laughter.) Of Act every year, that it is drinks le seekkein the
would net be enlisint, beam seem, It -I
timiteelmel Wk. he is willing that the Week a power; because, if mak an
silitatlime magginrspiete amp is to the Milk- tires mad mei Mil somda fee sizsumths or for liliviteatiss of ear perk were permitted, that the
greater. What we peopees„ to dee is to longer than the *lkea term of service. Hem, then, we every other Pewit was tiusiatened, we should net long be
teg that is owe of sa hived* go al ea,. mem eilmai*stbe greet defeat el tile pad of her left, lasieb for • time all alight seem te be quiet_pnil
loaded kudos, the 010,11 may tier del-1111 NI Bt. latia. mo. nee the wort ty, witheet haring to fight oklielees. (Mew,
'ma aset • udlitle. hear) But although I perfectly unikeetemil the po-
lka, of heel militia kr • wig ex Whirl It
put:,
Ma smotho, with the proems *Mg ow ao (Cheers sad )righter It he teVao fee only • Jesel mili- einem ,of asy nght hos. friend, whit le wooed to
mended te 12 mouths, is same it tie' that 11 is te be t nee the Rieke WWI& But any kerma el Wee arelakeak et this eoaahf,l •1•6111
to diem the crows for dm He eenodeed teat we are lifirle a militia besides. What II *bap- Ido not undeselend that of the noble lord raesellee
le tym ham won thus a loot* *hoe- - -oodomoho yea? the Wilda him, sondrideg of for Tieing's—Quer, hear)—brmmet he eamohrweedaseb
*mod hsoilmallem mid mold kit imeed. 400,1*/, le to be celled oat em the thig I think, • mkt unusual way; net to spews the
key vekelde for the of this oseatry eat of • war, sad liable to be kept embodied foe sir months reading of a bill—not to poiat oat the iterate of a pita
Imo invoke sal atike IMMO *me there weed be every or looser, is to give way to as augmentation of the regular proposed to the house by the first iminibter of the IMMO—
YZaI ealitegme Bo mmm, if that woos army, sad to the sabodykg.of a regular militia. (Hear, but what the noble lord proposm is, era the minieligs et
o i diskillee sal shrike lasemehmtho 'Remit. hear.) Nov me what you will invoke you/seine in. the crown shall be debarred from laying their bid mei
Mhos ale *et SIM he ItekatM= earn !Pa the ihillabli eat of a
localwess you will bare the table of the Mee. (Hey, hear.) The noble hid
ad lig a oodieloat Mee to diked the =%. 000 assn sagged in this =Mk, and yon nye "You shall not la before the holes that nusure
oggemdes. (Rear, bear.) MIM mime, to the = me at Wild reefed to the Mal* memos of ea. *Mils yes have eonsia.r., and whisk yam have thee.*
I AMA that it was totoodoe that the toed listing a Loge ammatatlea of the tender may, whisk best to propose ; but you shall ask for leave to bring In
lesuksemt a seek *maw shad have mown to eel gm 'h. in that nee Waal le neeserary, MI et the ems Wes another bill in which my objections are obviated." (Hear,
services of the seam Own me bisegiair be mo law yen are te bidet hr I*,ooo ar MAIM rembir militia. bear.) But really this is impassible, for even if I
Ilk likewise wood Um the pewee of amino mad Tot me make at yew reellekkg mess te rase nesa were to bring in another bill in which I had et-
leg twothisiselthe 'Mom ; while see-third of the for the Met mil at the mos lime edeg kr the sada. tended to all the injunctions I have received, the noble
Wading sea Goie.olooo, would be diem a I say, that lea my maks lial imiamelsogsmeintsst. lord might still say that the clauses wore not such as he
probaS
the balf.pay get ef Mo maw may, phso is the vlt would be tigketer that yea "Mehl have, la of intended, and that I must bring in yet another
esteem aides yeepsee 1 ask 'however; kw it is peke, ma simmetio gum, m• reellere te your man* emisy, bill which should be more consonant with his feelings.
silo he the here **Nike of the Pm. tebelhor it will . which yes ease MB out in time ..‘ war end whisk, mks Now, with respect to the dill between us. That
silk •enillsisist fovea,- sad whether it win Amish that hem you have Bet k, abseil be deolollael la Mae of I
pow, difference mainly consists in a point which the noble lord
by moo 'AM would both, had whams, to themes, should mauls pod of year asst— to time of wee,- and has altogether omitted, and on which he has entirely ro-
te% whitestt having Ike MB beim it. (Rem hear,) Al which, lyieljept up, shoal relieve yea frees dee se. fused to touch. The question is, how to obtain a force
that I Modem silt is, that I may be allowed to pleas Ike enm of re ity , for thee case. • different body elms which shall be sufficient in numbers and in training, to
Mg ea the table. I Mil be, as said the eO. debt, gels foe metier lone. la the scene of the last ter, I be able to act, which shall he removable In ease of danger
=ireen Is diem ildo ohm mad mime op mow kit kw beltem_datit fever bsppeasli that in may ate year you from one part of tho United Kingdom to another, and which
of he homaa, ar to 4110 am Mho poommoothat MOS del W add ISM Sit 115,000 to year repdar army. can ho kept for a certain time after the commencement of
map bo
pew Moegmehd. Bet Ido aka, swim sfiho mom Bet yea wiloilorinSaa nook Mom aggisatatioa than a war. Now the phut which the noble lord proposed
l• le swag it
edll before tho boom jo that if you Were la a verger war. Yes would have (namely that of the regular militia) was that there should
Wier Mt bone lad the country mg jehp ta Mae mild te your filar gamillas, and you be a ballot for area who would be obliged to serve for seven
of it. Mesh bee.) I shed' mg likewise tha_nor= would require me faratatlea la year met defences. years.
that the blithe aged aides asto with For those to m that what the Au Ilea. it —Five years.
militia • sad deashow wbas mirlom. yrieadZ".mmattor ho country wealeis Ind 11= eel OM militia. It is a Lord J. RUSSELL—For live year. If, thee, at the
Montrose asked him, sad the bill will be in force which has rented la that shape ever since the commeneelment of the pressot year a war skied ushrta-
itself. It is oboleas. it Madly require* to be st if year 1866. It wet remodelled is the time of George 11., meta, les& out, the tar me ballotted for, vim* heohllpid
the omeloi,mo af the bill be eani out, it wawa gm be and it was spin unproved in the time of Cietegs 111. 'There to save kir lye years se soldiers is that wee. TIM Is
eadiskat to aptly the misting allittia acts with mom to are various aukwhisk have boom pawed Mae, all of whieb of comes • very different deed spa she ma hum the
the selling out dim a. (So we uaderstood the aohfi hod.) might be esamaleatly pat into ens; bag *Re is a system plau of the government, VIA* mold only embody them
The present mode of obtaining keenm for the millems es whits bas misted kr nearly two 111•110110. MI k the ho 28 dale k the year, instead of obi lbent to some g
extremely dilatory. It tabus, I Whom too mom to so preamble dike mt whisk constitutes tbe hem** ar ever for the whole 12 months, in mie it woo. (Meat,
Mem& the pewees; owl k *mu be meet gi. and slieste of it ore dietimtly implaked. TM est Imar;L...aTlesetle" question arises, whither meek Led has
po4
MOM ,t• that moo apedy auto& that elm= • milks Mae leder Gilson is Great bet which lies at the bottom of the whole
seams *mak arab. Itwoold be Awing (it would be dm Raked Xlmine aew)is semadal, mil Ili....."likesea us. Will you say Mt you will
altered the lama Militia Act, to hatreds's a kYI kg kw tbrceigh lb etasteatreaftesm at the short make rered have fall soieess 1I am madmead did it ma pro.
purpose of sonseaketing the militia acts. Be irmadod to for it, it has begs Mad elites Male& kapertemo ha k- dalmaile the erradry that yea um alisoil to make •
ask the leave of the beam oe Mashy mods& h !dog laud diem of Ma realm" New, the heel militia was ballot fa sollbimm, and that you meld Adige km
is that bill ; but msdieskedlng this wry Ma. Mead the as moldseed Mee, which was organised fora particular knotted to serve Ire tears as soldiers, Madam their con-
member for Mew= wiled tto smoo do qa._i wham purples. The ble of the loselest says :—" -Whereas, dition, the bill wadable so unpopular that there would be
say militia ewes shoran beadepted. I et untm gee it he M he primal purism that a local militia • great dillisoitp lit immykig it into apeedise. But Uwe
mod of the esmesittee of the wash louse m the astoot should be establlskek sod miler metals reinstalls. to be is another peopritism, which is jest the opposite i
had bees brought up. I will aet ester kW terthse sege• called fork k ease of iambs la old of hie Majoetri rem, namely, that yea meld take sukelektm. There
meats. I think the argument as stated on M night lie =lugs &seer leg It Plegges=ro47, sod so however, a Very may objection to that. No doubt,
by the noble lord the seember for Tiverton ea forth. ,The local militia was es a reetne if you were to agree to offer a bounty of thirty shillings,
Os sabgeet. They ere the miniver which I held t 111 •I it for the regular militia, and not se a imams selosteative la but still more to if you offered 61. or 81., you would
Is asesseary for the emilley bea( • limited sow itself; that being the case, it is a very =tarsi oind_m_aper be ablo to get substitutes enough to be trained for 28 days
et its disposal, lad will* o , peat de met Is imagoes* that the keel militia should est be Mid eat But observe, when you allowed substitutes in time of war,
dare* directionster that avelft_m• more beim, es I esa till the meaty was Madly landed, Mom hod la the they were at once embodied, and were restrained from d►!
see, se prospect that the berme IMMO OM adapt ea addillea regular militia and la the regekr army •eM st Mew to serting b ell the penalties in the Mutiny Act. But if_yea
of sum,romp or *Ago moo to M regular army--that meet the Weedier aim, nerd all that we wanted was that offer in the county of Kent, for instance, • bounty of lif.,
there should be some *me or mob available Se alMtre we shed& hove •OW et reserve to brie/ up, Is else Ws, no doubt men would come forward as substitutes in 1862,
the country that it hall a imillefeat amber of mearapprj comMelle. Maki reader it accessory. nut we have not to be trained for 14 or 28 days. Yon would find many
trained sod som at labk me in ems of war. 1* k that Owe IS bilk kith. W• have now only a very small men who would take the bounty and the pay for the period
that this force, when oho& disomi be sent J,l soy wag if Illiebiliallat RR II retake army, and what you want is a of training in 1862 ; bat when, at the end of that period,
deem to amMiltromtlibe Itfti, form *et ma ma cal( out eider arms immediately, sad they were discharged, who will tell me that in 1863 you
Lord P . I NB NM it wee far mbish *geld be equally available throughout the Untied would find these men come back without • bounty, being
from my /AA it hoodoo to Nomad hoe modooty•a roma. Kingdom I will not go into the details of substitutes sad perhaps engaged in tome distant part of the country, and
meat from Ddeitkg la e bill ft** paspaa of proAdles e la forth. What I via to impress es the house is, that earning good wages? (Hear, hear.) We are tbua placed
foci, to be available is en .ae invdes, of when gene what we west is whet We ban bed Me two centeriee—the in this dilemma. Either we make a law which is efficient,
may bed zitise td pa tho . t tom to regulei Mikis ; sad that Mkt we do sot want is • stick- but which is very oppressive, and not easy to carry into
amen her • is sowowwww wi hhapha M6hat name—e local militia—whisk from the remarks we have operation ; or we make a law which is not opimenve, but
Bat t watt it od oloydrom hommoom both go the just beard ie no longer to be a keel militia. It which is very inefficieut (Hear, hear.) If in the one
wawa mks mad too the lowoawkwao of au how. that ts quite plena that smell a fore for the purposes ease we ballot men whom we could secure—if we take
Ma SW se be be. yo,, width wfit awommody modal or I:describe would answer the present requirement, end it farmers, gentlemen's sons, manufacturers, and merchants,
maddombh doom mislaid hi hooded to a right psis. ii not a new thing, for, ion,l in 1826, and spin is 1831 and make them terve, me should have an efficient Puree,
olio
It Booms if a bile bomato in on a mem it was trained. Now, although we have not this objeatioa, but it would be such a hardship that the people would not
it ea„ a peat deal mom Ye to work ft mote objections have been felt and have been stated to me, that • submit to it ; but it we take the other course and have
• than if it was all Mt homed ea a pried* regular 'militia k • bed Ude& breams then are sebedbtles, substitutes, we should have no security 'that such
ble to the plumes of the bill. iv.. wks OW you could net alp ea Wishbees, that Ikea yea algid substitutes would ever appear again. (Hear, hear.)
thlerashes 'tut said it molly appears to me that the tilde ost the sehiliMmi weahl aseaseee ; *et la lhot. I do not give these arguments as conclusive ; 1
them kam sit diffuses* bah eta the title whisk he load limy *I nut Wm to be semplied to serve, sad that is only wish the house deliberately: to weigh them ; but I
Weak to give to hir bill, and the eitbdeuce end Prink's= Ireland yam amid as* ham that objections amount think you ought to consider whether my plan is not the
of the „mama measure,The abeam dam ne kw naafi to USK 11•• leglibms• are elteGIN that Scotehmen are best, making, as it does, no extravagant demand. The
mows aro-riariai is my intention to mom to amply is plow comestila sad Mt Irishma see lises. (Cheers.) All government has given the subject the 'tallest consideration.
the title end the previsions of the am in hommay with the eiteldrille Mt I ewer beard to the militia ere founded They have had before them the plan of the noble lord, which
each other, (Hear, hear.) With mom in the gat emend. epos Mimi Mender the pee*. (Beer, ken.) Well, lon he was himself so good as to send them a few months ago,
went, that I think is quite unobjeedeadde, _ to the matrary •amillopmedlessehie imillemede; bat of thin end they have come to the conclusion that the plan they have
what we have just heard, because it hi that whether tbe lam mite sure, that if yes mead trod tU people to defend proposed it the least subject to difficulties and objections.
to be brought in skull relate to the militia or le tit losal ibmselves it is time to give up. If you cannot trust the Ido nut say that they have come to the right couclusion ; '
Janina, it shall be • bill not only to aimed, bet te sem& Rogge to come to their standard when the country is in but is it right—is it expedient—for you to my to the go-
date the laws. And on the statement of danger, if you cannot trust the people of Scotland to take vernmeet, " You shall not produce your plan—you shall
tha oohed= as It is hollow to repeal tip arms to fight an .any, if you most trust the have no opportunity of laying your bill before the house 1"
Moowowa loom and te the whole Irish to fight for their essomy, why, let ea INIMI ter a (Hear, hear.) If that shall he. your docision—if you decide'
in ene'— i—e„ es t. the odium I memos. sod Russian farce. (Load skier..) Let us have OM Asekka to leave out the word "local '—l will not miter into the'
whisk we hemeemebb, mood (Mr.limo hasgarrison, let us hide our hoods in shame and ea ad question of consolidation, for it is quite in conformity with
gee mi,—• Is net mene_ma admen or admit that England is no knife Backed ; that the people the bill ho brought in—but if you leave out the word
eoeeaoY(Me^ mom wwwwway. booms, tingly mammy of this country have no Wager either midt or men. to de. " local," why, then, Mr. Bernal, the chairman of commit-
wad =it ammo the wpm& But the male Dew is, feed themselves. Bir, I beg la /MVO the Midi= of the tem, and the noble lord the member forTiverton, us
the
whether ho we mo moot to ham is to he founded words "to consolidate,' dike the word " sassed." and in such a bill as the noble lord may wish ; and whoa
(is tit mails, or upon tit, hod militia acts. Now them afterwards to move the oatimitad the word "hest" before that bill comes before the house I will take it ink liest-
is a very eiseatiel Caresses between the two, sad militia. (Cheers.) 'deistic's. (Hest, hear.)
that km beta entirely lost sight of in the ohm- Mr. it GIBSON mid he weed take the Marty of milt- Mr. DISRAELI—Tho noble lord has proposed ** ke
'atlas whisk have jest fallen from the noble lewd. lag slew remake ea this si beam the smademst of troduction of a measure into the details of whisk he bee
Because, in to bring in • bill which is lee the arable kid fit member kr sed as the_ proposi- very carefully entered, and it is founded upoa a peke-ids
ite ti„ i .. ~ the militia, the noble hall Ma el** gememeat. Re espikedi *me dieidile a which another member of the house thinks is mesintially
ha, de.ribed very nearly e bill founded Ryan the wo, aosessity ilm applying ay pilaf the oaktimps= to the vicious. If the principle on which is founded the measure
militia. (Rear hear.) WWI humbly conerise was bermes/ me sraimarate. Drabs at the of this of the government is vicious, it follows that all its details
ia ten; iii, are in a „wed and eettatryorkk Milroy petalales. ad the rest altisalty must be greatly changed and modified ; and everyone
Son which exposes us, Aft with rob'. that there meta ememeathekbeartmkomper- knows that, under the circumstances, we should only be
ty, bet to the poesibility of ourselves involved in tions of the Maedag dorm k memeed to Ma k would losing. time if we entered upon a controversy as to details
rimy
war. We ore liable to be in cam et war, by a be very dadoode, if it were pseedik, to apply the surplus, melting from • principle the propriety of which is cha-
lky •Imikesble end formidable hem. We bare am, In as far as they meld, to the repeal of such taxes se stood in lenge(' by • member of the house, and which many members
time a pow, a regular ana, remit. a ley *miss, to the wey of thesseployment of labour—(cries of 0 ob, oh," may agree in believing erroneous. (Hear) I understood the
imi my aosoimmy of that blot It wadi at mg the from toe eppakisaj—ead therefore stood is the way of the noble lord to say, that if • member of this house, or if A
haft eight itenetre, it mold es*mit the IMMO All the WOO.. Ind ISMllleallient Ober Majesty's subject. The majority of the house, consider that the principle of the bill
mom se knew the womb d the mattaly mhos or great semeitydoedeas woe the ostentation of the people, is essentially vicious, end that its details would be benefi-
tsomillemat, who, in times of peace, maintain • standing and thweibre be matemied it was wise policy, if they could, dally changed, it is not open to the house to relation the
assy serest to defend this, at all events et the Dam- to apply the emplas to the repel dews taxes as could be propriety of the government introducing the bill. (Hear,
mmennens es., war, in oa ashat maser. our mama, sham h o mimed the elaphiptest of labour, and therefore bear.) The noble lord disputed this, es if it were some-
., tholohoV. that „stem rig it whisk hat hoom is to penis die maim af the working dames ken being ,thing unparlismentary—(i hear, hear," and a laugh)—end
ai,--eimagey man in thou of sad is in. promoted. Nem ha dii me say that a awe amid not unconstitutional. He memo to consider that if a minister
sakeisat to meet the various coo to which be made out formibkg Mamples to the Mame of the promote a measure, and if the principles upon which it is
we am be mom% onthe booming set of war. erallobli MINIMA are—de 11•1 P And if it was, were the founded is erroneous, it is not open to us to express our
And mambo, who I my, "m the booms, out or a fame *be Lammed is the wap used by thimble lord opinion upon that measure. (Hear, hear.) At least that is
wed'two. daises width has tows atom hi moimo the sa member for Ilkelete le weymesedhaellstige: the argument of the noble lord, if I have not merepreesated
by moms Odom mien the ismer laces imothesat, ea Weield'eJlewermiewl• nes brigbrig• ri him.
„maw, Ms it was in any pininera oleo* satire—(inaiad else' he appreashed tbe goes- Lord J. RUSSELL here made a remark screw the Mk
cm_ tom,-,Tt—teiThoo to Norma net elm or r ties with very esmellemble *Malty, viva he saw so Mr. DISRAELI—I understand the noble lord le say
wwo bolirvaihaoad mole imams ootwdoo may great &MUM= at hem with emit 'rather. He that I have not misrepresented him.
bui that at rho mod of a to at the thought from what key_ bad booed to might that aim of Lord J. RUSSELL—You quite saireadentood Tam
awl ma math, ha dodoomos den , how la Ms bad a very clear idea of the hree that they mated, et Mr. DIBILAILI—The noble lad says that I quite Me-
that haw to be pnedeed wind, why. en may ne. of dr dangle that that gwee we to gamed egeket, understood him, but that I did net esimpresaat Ida.
'ion,* way of poookoff gamma serer a knew m somdelly whoa he measeled the peeped wllk the (imoglatm) I wish the hoses to eseeklor bow we ace
that shah( have- la hos op mo.a sat jambes that wise made tho other evade( whoa the pro- seem was mom to the gamma won us. It io mom
femo, mod, dia. was gat eabeitted. Aid now odd' rowed to the tbaa her yam ego km the government, of which the
dams. &ohm mood. = .=." mady they wen mßall to guard eakeL They were =Me keg ts the thief, that they WON aboat to
on iihi Aids* motet am Masr arm at the breaking te kr, •Mael 4loaa Teem AgliONe• ; they bring Messed • litem;se tio the militia. TM adds lead
oat el a war, or mks a was May be eallidpated. That win la ae whieh had alt *a beihre, aka AM as hdredese rase before the house, with the details
Y the got oo;didom I woos a how whisk moll be toady, thenhe he they mat te be madded with whisk have been gives In Waging foie's** the t
Mimi sad ambled. tie and ohm vogue somkom het that they have special
alreams. bill ; sad I elwald like to have bees intonate' w r his
yes inlay odoiloado am =IZ =illoadoo mom Theybeibelmempecial names seised, which were, that opines then was, that the projected militia Maki be a re-
Inma morolot —aoloph km. ko kr is k kawawarial what they nigh be soiled urea le milli* the equilibriums rake or shed militia. (Hear.) We have all beat Snouted
ma Ni h_omoam yea Ni it a hod we a mphr militia, ease's Ole Ratio's of if/N.A. been male the tom of the with say idermation on that subject whisk reedy would
be heheed,aplpp4 rod armed, sad MuseMuseof pewee. Tie adds lewd the amber for Ti- be khairriag ; but it is quite clear se the exeunt-
n it
oto be caned at at a t perm& But mem sell they _ bad *Meal intends la all parts slams eager obi* this Memo wee were ante-
, law militia is net in, The „fine is at, of the void width It was neesnary he Om to de- mike* to thoes reVellidella and alarming elleirreaela Midi
hy the law whim homed it, two to be ogled tied. Why were they pe;red to give *dr emotion now we kW RIM reseally vitalised, it wee a d ple-
a-at except in useres actual moths al tho moo to the Mbar of pewee alliatidasil by eggemion on ride nerdy, sad um bangle limed marease to
of as same mamma in hese sir your mom tho pet el thiseserstry t me gees te pie imy imps- eiremadmies of a ham elmadoeammely, that titde-
Thoo a had Wag tenanttoo lam when miatod, By Masse tthe opeoebse of Mamble lied the takerfor Ti- Maw of the wen not so ellsient u they ought to
a motm aphid mitt pa mold be moth, ho Its.. oaths, or were they to pm tbem_ as lee mode ? If be. Therefore, is • forward soy maser* of this
wein—tbe aka use moo ordrea—ma woad he oohs wat they were not to posi km hy as *ls week they were to kind, we ased lest it at ell wet mimeos to the
I* ho piho ohm mo shwa bad gat tom your low. d that tee of the mom hr aa lemeseed force important tromodeas whisk have saboodessely essosired ;
rff..., bolo .v. age
let mu memo mhos tom web that they might be ailed ups le be agpmeive,
_to in- end me have die ohmage of deliberately eeeelerfeg this
the board isaM oad ohms lying to your bey% it holm la tit aides of lame; hir My wore told that it media with millesaes so whether the country Is in:the po-
i, yineals that en Meaner want wall act nee My bad hem mmested 'ma the Rumps= system sad lidaaefesildelbaselawhich every rest country ought* ie.
in time le be ee um nit you wow gives so that it might be he imbed to take*, port that (Cheers.) We bays mally, them, to Inquire, if it is mese-
ihe meal wawa Aet ; ing se far the 1,0 she took before end Mee of arm attimpt to SW—which almost ell tbe imeaben appear to have
_lipoid
Militia Ad is thrown ovedmoird by the noble lord ; miatak the Mow et . Now, for am, he —what would be *a most (*Mat was in which this do-
oot still he mommoo ho oh, (Hear, hear.) Well, what was eat la Lem of polity. He dimmed the meek' prefer may be implied. WW, look et the go-
Is the neat mmilitiss ? TM welt condition is that the force pulley et the balms it poem wit the possibility el main- mums*. Ahem fir maddinties of the
to moat mt, amid and amsoood. and sexed out in time Mining tbe dighreat Mime of limp ia the pukka, whisk they MI latesdased to the rove
tswa,...,,i.„„ig. whoa algid Mt. be Bosh, to moo in either la reiblease to terrikey er the powers that they were alter Menem__ is kat et *me of *lege which
my ..."1,6,--iitabi ii.d. ka whisk doh otimodth settled mho at tit time of the Comm of View. He ao sae will esasider to have mailimed Idiom lees ezicati
mooli -.him we eje-fren—idendet endi we moo am divided bode the palmy mi the peadisability of maintain- *mime swim latoodased a IM, WI shit they ee
aTmeasigooT—amomoos hot ma doom mot nog boom log Vara Mrsei mag tbe adieu of Europe. Mood a prlest, lbe Mete bee a sight, Vlt somiders t
may be that we may have am mom etteeepties • Wei Our latuesb wipe MIME' the limits of our own bed upon ea erreasous Wadi* et ease to maw Its
leg net only ie imemotart buti in two er these *lair TM agelaidiedilar had Moira wale the people of Scot- ;pis nr len. (Chas)
dlt is, in fast, • malls, of public duty
rtwislidiller;elesesit wow le ~W.' your wowy, Id* wet to le need, he doubted whether iet sure. (H shun aet ram
er, hear.) All Medde ires' awhistrilliPlalthe tfi tille:diaLt
Meet be epplisalikte 41, mils it is thing Riegilem. _ net Markle, le Mlle* before dem plead ems im destelled we Mil be ado to ester sic whoa we see la
allear.) Mare, dm Lea RIM del *Weedy amides las eir i _ with 5* _ eteseddee ; bat If it be the opiates sells Mw that the
*Aim keel militia ama ms 1,,, oat of ormegritain. or to mod tea • ISSIMS Ile _ in Meier° of the govemmeat Is headed upon • principle
Ike gab Led, wins yielfan is the tome of argument, of • yea kept c 11.111•411•117. _lf we orgaideed that cannot lead to the man we all hairs to ecesemilub, I
vt hot th hem micron mat oat be meal, beasts, it shag • molar militia, es msemi by lard relmelMeely it would think it is the duty of the louse to 'sprat its belief.
reM the wide of the Uniteds =tilehmelpaesasedlisosheesi—tha eablabard (Hear, hoer.) The noble lord bee shown • to
kW be ails it the Meal militia. .) admitted dist ski weed be ea ellbasive mem as hems, but if it be legitimate for k ex-
,mem „um lid or me moo s I armors tho giros. We edymea mir aam he die &ham of the mem thole opiates, I eared leek that they will aet bead-
le oath hob law. booms kis ibodatoly wasiowo7 atesisy. be wood ad believe we &haulms, for he tale to de so, sad Mt as mama will deter *ma km lay-
hat tho dostadm Moe to be wisdom should be mold ad balms Mat ell the Mee had bees entrusted leg dew the mad mem
_whit& Os Missal de-
to every pass of tho united Bloadom, But um how with the sommeals of the 'smoky had ailed es basely as to heiessiMail be (Load doom)
to Me. ;MBA is not the kook it is the molar Milos. smashed* sesemsessme ladled to thee. He could not Sit 0. GREY—Vie lick member hr Basks boo so
poem aid - -haohtsoh homer dramthe meth smoked Wine did ohm se maskour7 spent we were in so do- entirely adosaderstsed the animal of rap mode friend,
moo tome to mom sly in Ireland ; the miffin g gl om* hessian a slats se was but the parade had been that if I- bed ad heard his deer vadeas I *sold have
Britain oily ta Beam Bata& Bet in du aam get tip hr pasty pawns. Isowever, he was bound to thought it impsedble for any ose to have put such a con-
by whisk ell militia moo, hem that time Mwast were vase ke either prepuitim be should prefer that of the go- lerkellek ape it. (Hear, hear.) My noble Mend never
liable to serve in say pad ef the United Kingdom. veremmt. uttered ma eameadon which could intimate that this house
Well, I whit that to be so still. I seams to Led J. RUSSELL:—I ems well understand the course was net y entitled, at any stage of a bill, to express
be makes kr the oaf* of sere pommies' which whisk has been takes by lay right hon. friend (Mr. Milner its upon the policy of • measure submitted to
I have is Mimed. (Rae Me.) It will be eke little Oilima.) That mallemea, as well as the hoe. member for it lay km ltajes's government. lf, however, the noble
eadobstisa le me if I sada be 11__ m ea enseny s force Metres. (Mr. Meese) coosider that this country is lade tie =ember for Tiverton, shall Press his modes, and
helm la Woad, that *MI OM Wig pills at kcal mi- sollsiently &hailed by the new; but, with every feeling If dm 'majority of the house ogres with him
litiomea_k_Wml. bet thee we met es**meet my of of Maims it is sandsasy, Ido not think it would in thee 'vision, then it will ho open to me who may
the e labeler& that ape ma dellad sesedem and trust be Bekleat to have ell the Imes of Begird to rest upon beaberged by her Majesty with the of her
may* the aid of se* a voloalay torso se we mold millet. tbemml Mee et the M-y. (Rear, bear.) I do not gloVerneriellt to bring In a bill on easiber plastids ter the
(liese,heer.) Them is masher pate'. So far the noble Is She 111111, degree whaesver Infer dee our navy may kisses of tho country. (Cheers.) Whet the noble lord
lad lambsediseed Ms ilmaserork of • heal militia ; and net be toady to meet en enemy ; or that, if they did the member for Tiverton says in Abet to my noble friend
be bas ileseribeil a hme, whisk in all the impute which I meet them the Imesweed ad be with theiruenel mm ;le till : You shall obtain leer .te be itt_ • bill, net the
have mealleask k Waded with the maks militia but I also samider hie he slate of Ms ohms* and bill which en have rename, nut wee wags, le whit* the
and le dlikeeet sod glided Ma a local Wilda. Thin is the meammes of tbs ammo be auk that ad silos Mews el refers- If. bowlegs: the Uwe Weald
MI emother mist thawing OM kis loyal rigida imposed might sot have as of magas then before NM lash doll hill le lls, we most elvdtmvoitit that re-
by yet Rd* is ad aleeal Made at all. Ti. peeped they had soma • !toil ser Mak (Rear.) MIAMI Ihe we bow a• wed Id- We • bill which
•=nolgrt
Y that tho Meese te be Gaged eat *odd be Mille be remit Oa 'Oat seem* I *Ma to MIN that it vas rat ea. we have IteePara Ale alle dellhelatits• sad that I think
aelbediod se hug se it k requisite for the &Mee of the =ate rat kir* ent OW lintel Ask. bat time we the base ought inst to have beforeit, sad ma my qua-
lm& hr Os pablk esit. Now, the loud militia she ham amok* hoops* ear *arm We have gm el esnendseate way be Mesuelled et • later
rem es. The lad mkt* be the eat, was liable, es I have on may, It to Me, sad damn that meld be, with- lege. (?tear, Mm.) But now to Gems to the
Ni, af, ha mad set oohr eao, mo gamy was laded, or eat Ml, la popooma to to ammo% la esiesfikely WWI question. What the noble lord (Lard Pelmeretoc)
vim be was amity WINO on the meet ; and it seed aot Mktg & eel oilleisat form pot it is moil wrest,Om. says is, that we demi& have • twee smelled, vellittaied,
he brat eadedled dm Mx weeks after Mt messy dislagdm Mk extent of our sheers, to easel on mem on disciplined, Alma. equipped, mood Mid ready to be
W bee. expend em in the ether ease, bed beer - %Me OS which they might set het. I therefore called out at set karat's mom ; sad.* the eel* kid will
milled ham Mott That, I semeive is met mdrely how my right hon. friend. (Nam bear.) wait till he WNW the bill he will find that knee skies* have
The eaelbeg away a imam that ;my wear of lbe I gel now enter at all into pee mostiem of the been studied. end Mi he seoeseibbei by the memo
mil, or the hamilete erpobism meld ad le• dm MM. biome of power, any further than to say that these ;pm which has bees Papered y bee WNW t
mantaof the war. (Hear; hem) Theishro Ike Mal Ed- Mae if Mbalsam of pram dam* mash, *heap Meer. hear.) But thole the agarked tom L.vehtleg=
hlla k lesideleat. But ben dpi Ibe amble lord limn aim Me cuetioes et aellemei Mom (Obeues.) I the word " MAI " Deems the lona hie* menlete ede

captain iszeeptiemallie provisions; but it Is to the imam&
meals M them win that the bill of the government is
tiarelelterighse,tifir.)asift A' trfnorthre points which it
se
iitk Isee ss-."‘11 the Aware is intended. (Cheers.) We
40•1 Imo t A wee weir duty, looking at what was uses,-
debase ell tils mislay, to propose tbat message
ihr....w we wesdids wow sisissit sod ism budge-
sows ip dis blili we din& would be boa suited
to the ' ad , mud would least interfere
with Sfile emieyments of the public.
(Chess..) • hen • to expect- on. members to tell us
whether it is an em militia which they have in view.
I (gamily say that if the house will allow the bill to be in-
troduced they will find that it fully provides for all that is
required. (Cheers.) Allusion has bean made to a state-
ment I made the other night that the local militia was a
defensive, and the regular an offensive force. What I said
was that the embodiment of the regular militia in the time
of war, or in the time of peace when war Is threatened,
would set free a certain number of the regular army, and
would to that extent supply the place of a regular army,
while the regular army would thus be enabled to take the
field whenever that might be necessary. (Hear, hear.) I
trust nu such contingency is necessary ; but Ido feel that
it is memory to place the country in a state of defence,
and, believing that the measure of the government will be
sufficient for that purpose, I Ask the house to allow us to
bring in the bill. (Cheers.)
Mr. DEEDEtt supported the amendment became he be-
lieved that the measure shadowed out by Lord J. Russell
did not afford a reasonable prospect of having en effective
force. Ile was in favour of placing the country in a pord-
tioa to meet foreign aggression, and did not think a local
militia would have that effect.

Mr. HUMS opposed the amendment, thinking the
government measure ought to be allowed to be brought
in. Ile denied, however, that there were any grounds
for the present panic, and declared that we were
better protected than at any previous part of our history.
There was no necessity whatever for this establishment of
militia, unites the government intended again to entangle
us in the intrigues of the Holy Alliance. Ile differed with
the policy of ministers altogether, but considered that the
course pursued by Lord Palmerston was most unusual and
unfair' and thought that after the decision of the other
night the government should be allowed to develop their
plan. lie should veto with Lord John Russell.
Mr. SYDNEY HERBERT said that, on the preceding
night of debate on this subject, he had not advocated the
permanent embodiment of the militia. But a general view
ought to be taken of so important a question, and he
thought that Lord Palmcrston's amendment would enable
Lord J. Russell to deal with the whole body of militia
law. He recommended Lord J. Russell to accept that

Lord J. RUSSELL explained that the present bill would
bo confined to local militia. The generel militia acts would
be dealt with by a subsequent bill.
Colonel THOMPSON gave hie vote to Lord Palmerston,
because his lordship went further than Lord John Russell.
He was old enough to remember tho time when, under dr-
camatances of danger, there was great confidence in the
regular militia, and that at the same time the local militia
was deemed of very little value. (Cries of " Divide.")
Mr. F. MAULE wished to point out the difference of the
two principles placed before the house. Tho object of the
government was to introduce a bill to amend the law with
reference to the rural militia, which should have the) effect
of providing fur this country, at the cheapest rate, end in a
manner the least burdensome to the people, a force which
should be most speedily at the divosal of the government
to protect our shores in the event of actual or threatened
invasion. (Hear, hear.) That was the purpose, distinctly,
solely, and categorically, to which the government measure
was addressed. Fur the last four or live years the attention
of the goverment had been given to this principle, 113111 l ly,
to the establishment of a force, similar in constitution, if
not in name, to the local militia of former days, in which a
large proportion of the population would bo trained to the
use of arms, and that at a very moderate cost, which might
form a respectable force for the defence of any locality, the
people at the gam" time not being inconvenienced by quit-
ting their families and avocations. It might be all very
well to disparage the local militia. If they wished to have
another name, call it en army of reserve ; but to all intents
and purposes it was a branch of the service,
composed of men in their own localities, and
thus interfering in the least degree with their
employment. (Hear, hear.) He was as distinctly opposed
to having the regular militia in time of peace, as he should
be to adding 60,000 to the standing army. (Hear, hear.)
Hon. gentlemen very little knew what were the compul-
sory powers of the regular Militia Act. It compelled a
man to serve either by ballot or by substitute; he was
liable to he embodied, to be removed front his family, to
be carried to any part of the United Kingdom, and all his
settlement in life' his avocation and employment, might be
utterly destroyed for seven years. Ile might not be called
out in the year in which he was drawn. Every precaution
might be taken to secure that the men so drawn should be
single men, without any incumbrance. After being drilled
for 28 days in the year in which he was drawn, a man
might return home and many ; next year he might be em-
bodied, and leave his wife chargeable to the parish. And
in the trounce( two or three years, the whole of the militia
men might be married men, leaving their families
chargeable to the parish. How would the country
gentlemen like to be chargeable with the expcn,e
of maintaining the wives and families of a militia, who
were marched from their own panel' to Ireland, or Scot-
land, or any part of the kingdom? What he wanted
to see established was a force—call it a local militia
or what they pleased—which should be called up for service
so many days in the year, be sufficiently large and extensive
in its numbers, and which, like the yeomanry of this coun
try, with a very trilling drill, might be made quite as effec-
tual for any purposes as any raw levies could be made. Such
• force had another great merit : on the breaking out of
war on the continent, or any other event which might ne-
cessitate an increase of our troops, it would form a nucleus
from which that force might be efficiently increased. With
120,000 of these men, partly drilled to the use of arms, with
a military spirit infused through the corps, it would only
depend on the amount of bounty offered to them how many
thousands were added to the regular militia or the army,
whenever it was necessary to extend either the one
or the other. In the course of the last war there had
prevailed • system of floes, under the Additional Forces
Aet, in proportion to the supposed value of a man's pro-
perty. rise fines were placed upon the parishes, who were
made responsible for the proiuetion of the men ; and by
those means, a surplus was produced to the fund. Complaint
had been made of the local militia act not extending to Ire-
land. This had never been the case: there had never been
any ballot for militia there ; they had been raised by beat
of drum. If the system proposed were extended to Scot-
land, there could be no objectioa to raising • system of
volunteer corps in Ireland. lie would caution bon. gen-
tlemen opposite how they gave power to any government
to embody a regular militia ; it would be one of the most
unpopular acts that ever was passed. (Hear, and cries of
" Divide.")
Mr. CIIARTERIS said be should vote with the govern-
ment, considering that the responsibility rested with tacm.
The house then divided, when there appeared
For the motion
For Lord Palmerston's amendment
The announcement of the numbers was bailed with loud
cheers by the opposition.
After • abort interval,
Lord J. RUSSELL rose and said—Sir, I consider that
the vote to which the house has just come is tantamount to
a refuel to allow the government to bring in the bill which
they have prepared. (Hear, hear.) It is a bill for the in-
ternal defence of the country, and as suelha billof the utmost
importance to the country. I cannot therefore consent to
assume the further responsibility of tho bill with an altera-
tion in its title which I consider objectionable. (Loud
cheers.) I intend, therefore, to relieve myself of all fur-
ther responsibility with regard to it, and shall leave it to
the noble lord, or any one else, who wishes to bring in the
hill. (Loud cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON—I cannot help expressing my
extreme surprise at such an application by the government
of the proper functions of this house. (Cheers.) I cannot
conceive that the government has, without full deliberation
given notice of a measure for the better defence of the
realm. The only difference of opinion between the govern-
ment and the majority of this house has been, whether that I
measure should be founded on the 424 of Oeo. 111., or the'
68th Geo. 111., whether it should be established as
a regular militia or a local militia. The noble lord stated
that his measure was so nearly the same, with one excep-
tion, as one for the arrangement of • regular militia, that
it appeared to me, and to a majority of the house, that it
would not be consistent with common sense if we did not
make it • bill for a regular instead of for • local militia.
(Hear, hear.) The noble lord stated that his plan admitted
of substitutee—he stated that his plan embodied the
calling of it out at the commencement of a war like a
regular militia. If I understood the noble lord aright,
the militia by his plan would have to serve in every part
of the United Kingdom, like • regular militia; and the
only difference is as to the period they are to remain em-
bodied in case of war. (Hear, hear.) If that be so, I
would put it to the noble lord whether that is a reason why
the government should shrink from the performance of its
duties—(loud opposition cheers)—and throw up on account
of • temporary and incidental failure—(ironical cheers from
the same quarter)—• measure which they ought not to
have proposed unless they thought it essential to the
safety of the country. (Cheers.)
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sre should then be told that it was not the noble
lord had intended, sad that other provisions must be in.
traduced. (Bear, hear.) Bit, ia this a position for a go.
Torment to hold ? I think I made great admissions,
when laid that, with regard to all the details of the bill,
I should be ready to listen to amendments, and that I
would be ready even to refer it to a select committee for
further consideration ; but if we are stopped at the
threshold—(cheers)—if we are told at the very commence.
:Dent that the house has no confidence—(loud dicers from
the opposition)—that the house has no confidence in our
measure, it is impossible for us to go on with it. (Chectl.)
I, hear a cheer on the opposite side which implies
very clearly that the noble lord was wrong is
the observation he made, and that it is intended
by this vote, and by putting the government is
a minority in a time of very serious importance;
and, with regard to • very serious question, to silow
that the majority of the house have no confidence in the ex-
isting administration—(loud cheers)—l now conclude by
moving that Mr. Bernal and Viscount Palmerston do bring
in the bill. (Cheers.)

Sir B. HALL—I think the course taken by the noble
lord below me (Lord Palmerston) was both unc.,lltittor
and unprecedented, and that it would be mere coos, Mint,
and, under all the circumstances, more corteous, to allow the
noble lord at the head of the government to introduce the bill.
But having supported the noble lord (Lord J. ltwewll) on
this occasion. I confess 1 could nut go along with Innately
further, for I should have given my votes iu conjunction
with the hon. member for Montrose. But lam nut satis-
fied with the decision of the noble lord at tho head of the
government in calling upon the noble viscount to bring is
the hill. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord stated that the
country required a militia and further defend•, tad if he
was not in a position to carry the measures which
he thought necessary for this purpose, he should give
up his situation as the First Minister of the crown. (Chem.)
I hope the noble lord will at curt! give up the Mike he
holds. (Cheers and counter cheers.) I understand that a
very similar notice of motion was given in another plate.
("Hear, hear," and cheers.) The hon. member for Btailford
Colonel Thompson) stated that he had a horror of a foreign
force, but he had a still greater horror of a conservative
government coming in. I have no such horror. I
should like to ace them try their hands, and therefons
I call on the noble lonrat once not only to abandon theta!,
but to declare that he would no longer preside over the
councils of the nation. (Loud cries of "Year, hear.")
Lord J. RUSSELL at once stood up and said—Sir, I rue
to say that I think I masse my meaning sufficiently clear—
(loud ministerial cheers)—when I said I took it for granted,
as the result of the vot: of the house, that the ministry had
no longer the confidence of the house, and that
such being the ease, I could no lonizer con-
tinue—(loud ministerial cheers prevented the conclusion of
the sentence from being heard, but it was evident the table
lord meant to say that he could no longer continue to be
the responsible adviser of the crown). You, sir, haring
said that there was no motion before the house, I concluded
by moving that the noble lord the member for Tiverton be
called on to bring in a bill ; hut, of course, I did not mean
to impose upon him that responsibility. (Hear, hear.)
The great body of the members in the house then left,
evidently excited by the crisis which occurred.
DIFFERENTIAL DUTIES ON FOREIGN SHIPS.
On tho motion of Mr. Lenin:enema leave was peen to
bring in a bill to enable her Majesty to abolish, otherwise
than by treaty, oa condition of reciprocity, differential
duties un foreign ships.
ESTABLISHED CHURCH IN THE COLONIES.
On the motion of Mr. GLADSTOMIN, leave was given to
introduce a bill to relieve bishops, clergy, and laity in the
colonies, in communion with the church of England, from
legal doubts or disabilities affecting the management of
their church affairs.

The SPEAKER reminded the house that there was no
question before it. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—Sir, after the statement of the
noble lord, I feel it is incumbent on me to say a few words
in explanation. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord said that'
the measure I explained the other evening, and also this
evening, is so nearly similar to the plan for restoring and
establishing the regular militia, that he is surprised at
my throwing up the measure. If that is the
case, then I think it is an unprecedented course
to take, that beiause there is some difference on some
point with regard to the bill, the majority of the house
should therefore alter the words of the title of the bill,
thereby implying a great change in it. (Hear, hear.)
But I am perfectly sure of this, that if we brought in a
bill on the principle on which the house has now decided,