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stated it, he would them goon to ark for • series °father votes tion, on which he must reserve his judgment. His right
to eatable him to levy the new tun he had mentioned, so boo. friend had opened his spew referring to the time
far u they behoved to tie doss and character of indirect at which be had made his al statement, and be
taxation. (Hear, hear.) If be was right in this assuage- *fright its necessary to make an apology for not
the votes for which his right hon. friend would ask brought forward an exposition of his views at an earlier
wen entirely different in their substantial and real charm- period than the 20th of April. There was certainly one
tn. If his right bon. friend asked for a vote to enable him reason why it was desirable, if he could have done so, that
hoifm
the have availed
tobi,ohirmaisesell
as
to levy an Increased duly en sugar, cm tea, on coffee, and on he should have stated his financial views to the House of
spirits tornonew morning, he would be in &condition to say Commons at • very early period, and that was the rapid
that that vote would nut in any way commit the house in . growth of the public expenditure, which in the loot -
'egged to its final judgment on those propositions, sad that had outstripped all calculation, and had pressed so heavily
an romber who concurred in the formal vote now sub- on the immediate resources of the Exchequer, that if the
Edited wet al boas free at the next stage of the proceedings minister did not come to parliament for supplies, it weed
to tahi different course and reverse that decision oft
hive n
right hon. gentlemen if he had
favourable state
in the vote. (Hear, hear.) But what be feared was money by the sale of stock. His honourable friend below
that the committee might suppose the proceeding upon the him ( r. Laing) had observed on that pint ;he (Mr. Glad.
teas was analogous. (Seer.) Hie conviction and belief on stone) was responsible for some such proceedings, and his
W contrary were—not beeline, of any fault or neglect on honourable friend had also pursued the same track, The
**part of his right hon. friend, but because of the prac- real truth, however, was that, in time of peace, it was
tioe of the house, and the necessity of the thae—that his right easy to propose to the Houle of Commons a financial
lion. friend was asking the committee to give a vote on the arrangement which was to last twelve months; but
subject of the loan which would be virtually binding and in time of war it was very difficult to do so, although
eouclusive as between the state end the contractors. Ia a it might be annoying to the house to be pressed with
technical sense therefore and in • constitutional sense in re- new proposals for increased taxation, and it was of course
breath to the power of dividing the house hereafter, or in desirable to adhere to the arrangements of one financial
reference to the omaipoteace of parliament, the vote as to statement. Last year, although he was anxious to
the terms of the loan differed fundamentally from that in come to i seliament for its sanction to financial arrange.
✓egard to the imposition of taxes. (Hoar.) In the one pants, it was found to be inconvenient to the Louie
ems they were merely called upon on the present occasion to be asked twice to make pecuniary provision
to give a technical vote, but in the other the for the public service, and therefore he thought his
wore asked to commit themeelvo4to this loan of 16,000,0001. right hon. friend was quite right in waiting for the
with all its conditions—(hear)—that was • distinct aye or usual time, and in using Lie discretioaary powers to raise
no to the arrangement proposed, as between the state and money rather than to come down at an earlier
Pertain contractors who were about to lend them 16,000,0001, period with a budget and a scheme of taxation which might
and having once given that tote it would ant be competent have to be altered before the conclusion of the session. He
for the house to interfere in any way with the (Mr. Gladstone), therefore, was almost about to object in an
conditions of the contract. lie was not prepared to with- opposite direction, and say that his right hon. friend would
hold his affirmative vote from the proposal of the right hen. have done well to have postponed his budget and the pro.
gentleman that the house should affirm the provisional eon- ceediog with his loan for a few days, or even for a fortnight
tract which had been entered into; bat before he said any- longer. He said that with reference to a matter
tbJg on the merits of that coatract he would express his of van Importance—the negotiations now going on
earnest desire that for fear of possible misunderstanding the at Vienna, on the Issue of which would depend
resolution should be separated into two parts, so as to ex- whether the expenditure for the year would be
elude from their present consideration that portion of in excess or ender the 86,000,0001., at which it was estimated
It which related to the peculiar arrangements proposed by —although, if peace were concluded to-morrow, the taper.
his right hon. friend for the repayment of the loan. (Hear.) diture in this year would be greater than that of last year,
His right hon. friend had proposed an arrangement in re- yet thergorould be some immediate reductions, such, for
spect to which he (Mr. Gladstone) gave him credit, not for instance, as the 4,000,0001. now voted for the 'Midis, which
the best merely, but for the very highest intentions. That might be reduced to 3,000,0001., and the 6,000,0001. re.
arrangement was obviously an effort on the part of his spired for the transport service, and the 8,000,0001. for
right hon. friend to vindicate the principle that we should the Ordnance, mato! which wasnemesary for weekly, daily,
transmit as little as we could of the burdens of the war to and hourly consumption in time of war, but the necessity for
those who follow after ay, and make provision as far as we which would terminate with the war. Large sums were
could to discharge thew, burdens ourselves. (Hear, hear) immediately canaected with the expenditure for the war,
At the same time, he (Mr. Gladstone) felt great doubt and and be should have been glad if they had not been called
difficulty, without expressing, however, any conclusive on that night to take any steps in settling the financial pre-
judgment in the matter—as to the particular pre• vision of the year, when they might expect from day to day
visions of that arrangement, sad therefore ventured to learn the issue of the conferences at Vienna. He might
to request that time should be afforded for their consideration. be told that the war might be finished at any time,
(Hear, hear.) What he feared was, that if they cams to a and that by making prevision for a war expendi-
resoliition that evening upon • vote which was understood Lure, you were not aeccuazily bound to go on
to be binding as to the substance of the arrangement, the with that war. But such progress had been made
house and the committee might find hereafter that it had in the negotiations, that they had arrived at the third
parted with its liberty as regarded the peculiar arrange- out of fourponditions, and it was the universal convictionthat
menuproposed by hie right hon.friend for the repayment of on that condition the whole question at issue must either
the loan, and that the resolution of the house that night fail or succeed ; and as in a few days it would be known
would be taken as the real and substantial contract as whether the negotiations had failed or succeeded, it would
between the state and the lenders of the money. What he perhaps have been better if the financial statement had
would suggest to bin right hon. friend was, that the provi- been postponed. He saw his hon. friend the Secretary to
non in respect to the repayment (supposing his right hon. the Treasury shake his bead—(laughter),—and he thought
friend did not look upon it as any part of the bargain) he knew his meaning. He was sufficiently familiar with his
should be separated from the rest of the resolution, and lett hon. friend's mode of thought to know that that shake
for discussion at some future time. So separated, he was of the head had as much meaning as that of
not aware of any strong meson why a vote should not be at Lord Burleigh, in the " Critic," and no doubt he meant
once taken upon the resolution authorising the loan. that if the budget was postponed he could not go on. It
(Cheers.) He had listened with great interest to the speech was true, perhaps, that the necessities of his right hon.
of the bon. gentlemen the member for Wick (Mr. Laing), friend might have compelled him to ask to be allowed to
and with great, sympathy for the English spirit it exhibited, make temporary provision for the public service, but without
but he was not prepared to concur with him in saying involving any important financial question. There was
that it was the duty of his right hon. friend to another point with reference to the vote of that night is
propose to the house on the mica occasion to which It might assume a still more important aspect. It
raise tie income tax to ten per cent. (Cheers.) was impossible to overrate the imp .rtance of the issue
In his (Mr. Gladstone's) opinion, if all the payers of the in- of the negotiations which were now going oe,
come tax were in the same circumstances as those who had and he was pained to see some signs of levity
jun listened to the speech of his right hon. friend, and who displayed with reference to matters of such tremendous
sat on the benches of that house, it would have beau right import. He apprehended that when these negotiations
and proper, and even, perhaps, obligatory on his right hon. were concluded, whether (as God grant they might) they
friend to have raised the income tax to 10 per cent.; that resulted in peace, or in a prolongation of the war, the house
would have been, perhaps, the easiest, the fairest, and the would be called on to pass their judgment upon them. The
simplest financial measure. But it was only those house would have to determine whether the govern-
who were conversant with the management of the meat had in those negotiations conceded too much
apnoea of this country who knew how severe was the or too little, and had done their duty in deciding
pressure of the income tax when it approached the classes on the terms on which peace might have been coa.
whom it touched in its lower limits. (Hear, hear.) It eluded. It was hardly possible to state adequately
was a doubtful question whether you could carry the income the responsibility thus incurred. You could not corns
taxto its war limit of 10 per cent. without undertaking to out of those conferences as you went into them. (Hear,
solve • most difficult problem; namely, the extension of the bear.) If the only question in the conference was the con-
income tax downwards beyond the point at which it now tinuance of the war the relations of the European powers
stood. (Hear, hear.) The income tax was now levied on would still be different to those which they fuimerly held;
persona possessing 1001. a year, and it thus took with it the but there was • high probability, indeed almost a certainty,
whole of the educated classes; for those of that that if you came out of the conference with no result, the
class whose incomes went below 1001. • year were relations between this country and the other powers would
small in number, and although there were • labourers be essentially changed, and the question as to how the house
and mechanics whose income reached that lammed, yet would deal with that new position was one of gigantic int-
their number was also extremely limited. The dividing portance. All that he wished was that be should net
lino of 1001. a year was, therefore, aline drawn between the be concluded by the vote he was about to give, that there
educated class, so to speak, and the class below them. In should b., no misunderstanding, and that it should not be
point of fact, measuring the distinction between wealth and said that by making a pecuniary provision for the year, the
poverty, not merely by figures, but with relation house bad committed itself to the is.ne of the conferences.
to social circumstances and wants, those of the The mere financial disadvantage of a loan he was prepared
educated class who were possessed only of 1001. to meet rather than that there should appear to be any
a year were really poorer than those who with difference with the government, but the claim to an
lees education were possessed of 701. or 801. • year. absolute freedom of judgment on the negotiations now going
(Hear, hear.) It was, therefore, not merely a fiscal quer- on, and a right to pass his opinion on the future conduct
Lion of raising the income-tax to 10 per cent. He had no of the war, he felt it to be a solemn duty to reserve to him-
doubt that if the war was protracted the income-tax must self. At the same time he would give a vote which would
be raised to 10 per cant.; but if it was done it would be be binding with regard to the provisional contract made by
as weary to consider the question of classes, and you would his right hon. friend, and although retaining all his former
have at ones a great political problem as well as a question opinions and feelings with regard to loans, and his desire
of administrative machinery to solve. That being so, and that the expenses of the war should be met as far as possible
his might hon. friend having that gigantic difficulty by taxation, he was yet prepared to say aye to the propo-
before him was quite right in the first instance to resort to sition of his right hon. friend. (Hear, hear)
other sources of revenue, and he did not quarrel with his Some miscellaneous remarks upon different details of the
right hon. friend became he had not had recourse to the budget were offered by Sir F. KELLY, Mr. WILLIANO, Mr.
plan of at once raising the income tan to 10 per cent. Still, L. HRTWORTM, Mr. H. Batumi, Mr. J. Id `Gazoim, Mr.
although he did not dissent from the course taken by his MONTT, and some other members.
right hon. friend, in borrowing a large sum to meet the cur- The resolution was then agreed to.
rent expenditure, yet be had not • weaker hopes- After the reading of the resolution having reference to
non with regard to the policy of contracting loans for the spirit duties,
the public service than when he had, in an official The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated, in
awitosity, to provide for the public expenditure. reply to a question from Mr. CRAuFURD, that the govern-
If then was one sentence is the speech of his right hon. meat had no intention to make any alteration with regard to
friend with regard to which he differed with him, it was the drawback on malt.
that in which his right hon. friend referred to a very able The resolutions were then agreed to.
pamphlet, written by Mr. Newmarch. In that pamphlet Mr: JOHN M'GREGOR regretted the manner in which
Mr. Newmarch had examined the proceedings of Mr. Pitt these resolutions were about to be disposed of, for if the
in dealing with loans during the revolutionary period,aad his house legalised them, the taxes would commence from to-
, right hon. friend said that Mr. Newmarch had stated that morrow, and he thought that the country would receive the
the loans of Mr. Pitt were contracted on terms much more intelligence with dismay.
advantageous to the public than was generally supposed. Toe other resolutions embodying the propositions of the
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The loans Chancellor of the Exchequer were then agreed to, and the
lot late years. hones resumed.
Mr. GLADSTONE—WeII, then, those of late years. The Intestacy (Scotland) Bill, and the Affirmations
But that was not what Mr. Newmarch had shown ; but he (Scotland) Bill, passed through committee.
I had only shown that there would have been greater diffi-
THE ARMY BEFORE SEBASTOPOL COMMITTEE.
maltase in Mr. Pitt's path if he had proceeded in a different
Planner, and that such advantages as the public did obtain On the question of the appointment of a successor to Mr.
could not have been realised if he had pursued a different Bann, on the above committee, • good deal of discussion
course. What Mr.tlieerniarch really showed was that there erne. Mr. ROEBUCK and Lord PALMERSTON maintained
was no mode of borrowing which was advantageous to the that the right to nominate in this instance rested with the
public,aad his arguments strengthened his (Mrelladatone's) government. Ultimately, the appointment of Captain
opinion with regard to the disadvantage to the public of SCOPILL, the nominee of the opposition, was rejected bi
therowing at all, and that any loans, contract them how 81 to 68. The government candidate is Mr. Ds Veal.
yes would, must be attended with economic disadvantages On the motion of Mr. Winston' it was ordered that the
'and *opens, to the public. With those feelings and opinions house at its rising should adjourn till Monday.
with regard to the principle of leans, he did not seek to The house immediately adjourned, at eleven o'clock.
extenuateor excuse the coarse he took in attempting, on
the part of the late government, to induce the
country to make a manly and resolute effort in
the dimities of meeting the expenses of the year Sir E. B. Lytton, MP dr ed dd on
. e Ivor an a r
from the current revenue, remembering that there was Wednesday, before the members of the Liter.ay Institute
sub a thing as the public interest. But, at the same time, at Buritingford, a men town in Hertioruhim He dwelt
without receding from the doctrine he then laid down, he chiefly upon the intellectual character
of the English
e a
admitted that there was a limit to its application. You
could not expect a free country, nor the representatives of a tocracy, and upon the accessions it is continually receiving
free country, to push even a prudenteconemic doctrine to its from other classes. Alluding to the war, in the course of
vitvorno Yew had to deal, after all, with flesh and blood, the address, the hon. baronet said—" We, in this county,
and you could not snake it bear beyond a certain point. But have had our share in the national glory and the national
be would go further, and say that 'hers was a point where the .
grief. My nephew assisted to place in a soldier's grave the
sudden introduction of lame taxation caused so great a
pressure, and so great a wiz disturbance, that it was better gallant and promising ton of that true country gentians°,
to provide money at • disadvantage for he public service Mr. Delnth Radcliffe—(hear, bear)—who, like the Rome
than to cause such a disturbance. Re had for some time of old, is about to send forth another son to supply the lost
put been aware that owing to the great increase of ex- his country has sustained. dy,
(Cheers.) More recen
panditurs the government, whether that of Lord Aberdeen .
or any other, would have to recognise the necessity ef
Ms or Powell, the distinguished eon of a respected neigh.
making previsions for the expenses of the year by borrow- bout at Welwyn—(hear, hear)—and Ensign Clutterbuck,
ing money ; and he did last year recognise that necessity of a family which Hertfordshire has other causes to eaten",
by borrowing, although he had borrowed only in anticiprion have also fallen. (Hear.) Honour to their memories.
of taxes ; and although the taxes which would come in They out
would come within a 1,000,0001. of the sum so borrowed ;
he said, therefore. that it was necessary to have some " With their back to the field and their feet to the foe,
larger resort to the national credit if we were to have to And leaving in battle no blot on their name,
provide for another year of war expenditure. Holding that Look proudly to h from the death-bed of fame.
opinion, he was not prepared to'enter into any minute criti-
cism with regard to what was to be raised by ken or what COMMERCIAL P TION.—The
- HILANTITROPIC INSTITU
by taxat or whether his right hon. friend had selected thirty-fourth anniversary of this institution was celebrateds
stock is which to borrow, soundly or not for the ex hs. on Thursday last, when the members and their friend
tereste,or whether he should have adopted to a Renter extent dined towhee at the Prince of Wales Tavern, Baur!:
the Principle of borrowing by means of terminable street, Bt. Luke's. James Howes, Esq., retiring couro
lie agreed with his right hon, friend that it was not warden of St. Luke's, presided as chairman, and was no-
ble without submitting to extravagant term to have bor. by Captain Moreland, E. Jay, Esq., J. G. London,
rowed the whole sum required on that principle. (Hear.) rrt"several other
sq., W. Bailey, Rag., 0. Sinclair, Em., and
sou
That was, however, a question to be discussed hereafter, gentlemen, vestrymen of the parish. After. the cloth
• tout' were
and oto twoowow now was, whether the principle on "fah withdrawn, the usual loyal and patriotic
The tout of
=ben. Maud had founded his plan as a moans of honoured, ear allies not being forgotten. .
ilanthropie
footle, 'smote of the country wee one to which the evening, " Suess to the Commercial Ph
the conceattos slconld give its approval. He was prepared Institution," elicited great applause. The secretary tors
to my that no prehrencee which they might have read the last year's report. The Commercial Philsathropie
for one mode of proceeding over another ought Institution was founded in -et of forme
1821, for the rel.
to Melees them to withhold their votes from the labouring under temporary embarrassment, and for the u'
proposition of his right hon. friend. Ho should like, uhe
datum of poor married women during the time of their
had said, to have the power of considering more maturely confinement. It has in a very large number of instsecte
We special provision relating to the repayment of the loess ; from the crashing
been the means of raising the poor man
but as respected the form a the loan, he wee disposed to effects of unexpected destitution. The .um of 2,tarto• or
agree to the abstraet merit of the proposal, and for this been distributed among 2,103 families since thecommeller
reason. that it was of capital Importance for the house to meat of the society' ed
maintain the strength and credit of its financial organ in LIGHT AT • FlER—Having frequently attended
the face of the country, and if, in his opinion, on any one fins, it has occurred to me that it would be a good con'
or other point his right hon. friend might have made trimness to have a branch from the gas main and a logo
• proposal more to the interest of Use public, he should burner fixed near each fire-plug ;so that whenever re'
bathes the advantaSsat_misht have been so gained (paired, the pa could be instantly tamed on, affordioi
spinet the groat and ilimmiveste. (and he had tea- ample light for the fixieg of the hose, site. The Jets PI
son taboo, howgreet ey the dhadvantage was) tea flame would distinctly mark the position of the plug, 1,1!
Chan°olkr ofllohsaloPoll_ 01 Milk% keenly and action, and would toad to prevent lose of time sad mute
actively Pulls". Ina brown Wad Imother ,with blundering and confusion consequent upon working in tle
regard to his Piano; sad be ebilleki ibletelbee be eed to dark. Ten cost would be trilling.—Corresposdersl of 1"
withhold say each oriolionc. But shoo was another pm- listheler.