The Express.
London, England, 1855-01-30 00:00:00

THZ EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JANUARY 30. 1855.

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with sin from seeing the dead bodies wand imbue, liaise),tea the-sines of the middle ages. But
courted that' ken tee caMele Se geoid not what was the seal state of the can ? The system of the
land her freight on sensual of.,bad fireather,, aid sU them May had ben assrhhedsanctioned, and confirmed by that
Inn *ewe up in tisnonoelis sad cast ovtboord with-. boom, and by fames atiaaittiee—(hier. hear)--thactiased
mildeltelsolelkithe bodies werithenfen washed ashore sad' mg liearrsed fn spite of numerous motions made by the
buried the Task Ho had ofemed over to tie other side boa. member foe Montreee and other members—(bear, hear)
of the ;sad -went to the Freon lespital ; be —in spite of deliberate reports made many pen ago, mi-
nima le aseethein whether the evils he lad sea at Scutari oommeadiag the reform and reconstruction of the whole.
wen asavolishis. He beadle very different stab of things. Would say men tall him that their military system, as mm-
Hg west within say melee, and early la he morning, stinted at present, had tended to develne or bring fer-
mium nary beepital is seen at a gnat dkedeiatage. He weed =Mealy abet sad pales ? He denied the
fond the anent demalien and perfect vesilation. He fact. Let them_ lea la the first instance how
went without say inkeinstioni but, after la had visited the Sae the Benin army was composed. (Opposition
the words. hi iatrodesed himself to the did officer, to shun empanded to by diem from the ministerial side.)
whose kimines be was mask indebted. Respect three It wee eon well he be.. gentlemen to come down to the
hours la the banitals end could not describe i better than house, and talk of a soneolidetion of offices—of placing all
in the wens of a ;issue who accompanied him "It seemed the departments wader sae bud, and substituting one man
as if the French had bees there ten year., an that we had for another. He maintained that whatever might be the
only got there yesterday." He would not, /weever, be inherent viper of that mac—whatever might be his ex-
doing his duty after drawing such a 'loons, peturr, if he perfume—a mere elneelidation of offices was not sufficient.
did sot from his hurt congratalate the Secretary of War (Hear, hear.) The, nest reconstruct the whole military
on the effect of one step he had taken during the present system. The Una bad arrived when they could not expect
wsr—he meant of enrol the sending out the urns to the an army set merely to win battles in the field, but to go
hospital. (" Hear," and cheers.) Nothing end have been through all the Melmindea of a campaign, without laying
more successful than the human MGM of the lint hon. gen- an unsperieg land ea that buildiodwhich was adjacent to
Oman. He know of the bleak these numbed been to those peados ter) without finding, in fact,
the soldiers, but the hew scald hardly main it. It a sated to tarn the Serpentine into
would be impossible for him to do justice, notoaly to the the Horn Guards and all the ransificatioas of the
kindness of the heart but also to the cleverness War department. (Hear, hear.) He had alluded to the
of the bead of theladies to whom that diffi- appoistments to the staff. The 11011. gentleman (tdr. Seal-
cult mission had been entreated. He would re- ford) bed veal remarked that they must speak out on this
commend the right hon. gentleman that if he matinee& in essailia. They mast sot only not object to filthy details,
office, or his successor.whother, he might be, to consult that bet they meethese Mies teethe. Let them look at the
lady before he determined on the &meagerness for their asipsdass eft ildr at the English army. Why, in the
new hospital, and even to give way to her ween their Free* assay the staff was inhumed the righthand of the
judgments differed. Any minister would deserve the axe- army. The Gam were 1111161114111 fur their knowledge of
oration of the country olio, after Beadles oat these ladies, military SAM% aid for thole/Et* of their experience.
would then desert them. He hoped they meld ea be Was bat ;the use in the Healla ono ? Did not hon.
affected by the outcry raised easiest them by a pinks of pannesa know that it was est he merit and capability
empress. Some time &nor a French olden remarked to that an odor was appointed to the staff but through
him that the eommiesariat arid medical arrangements of the interest and connexion ? (Hear, hear.) Lot say hon.
lisillik army were based on the system of the middle gentlemen men fie a return of the staff officers employed
bake, war had become a science, and he se Ohs gamed sear at present in the Crimea. How rainy
Naonr r' We regret it more because we now know of these an. OW speak French? (Laughter.) How
what treble lives you lose." He believed it was assay of then and Inn a common field plea ? (Hear,
true. He knew something of the French amp, hoar) He mmtered to say that not one-third of them
Vilhelfed been arrested there as a Hessian spy, suspicion could do so. It would be Invidious to mention cameo, and
bike embed by the number of questions he asked. He God forbid that he should do so ; he attacked no individual
UMW eddies who arrested him, and the captain of gen- —he attacked the system. (Hear, hear.) He said they
damns. who examined him, that they bad done quite right, must not be satisfied with the consolidation of the depart-
sad be wished there was similar vigilance in the English manta, bat must reform the whole army, from the Horse
camp. The officer, when he discharged him, told him he Guards to the Barrack-house. If at that moment anything
might go all through the camp, for every one know he had happened to Lord Enna where, he 'eked, were they to
been arrested, and would not object to answer his questions find another general ?It had been suggested that they should
when they saw him released. He then handed a copy of all borrow one from the French army. How could they expect to
his questions; it appeared a gendarmes, dressed as a private, ban a succession of generals, when the list thing they did
had followed him, and got the information from every fol. was to debar any man who had talents for command from
dim he spoke to. He would take that occasion of saying entering the service unless he lad a large sum of money.
that during the whole time he was reading to the men in The price of a lintenantooloneley of cavalry was B,ooof. ;
the hospital he beard a word uttered against a single he know an butanes in which it eat 15,0001. The cost of
officer, but, on the contrary, expressions of gratitude to obtening a similar station in the infantry was 4,5001.
them as honourable to the men as to the officers. The How was It possible for any one but a rich man to enter the
house would not be displeased to hear that the army under such circumstances? This was speaking to the
officer whose name excited mat enthusiasm was his Royal question ; this was going to the system, which was he
Highness the Duke of Cambridge. (" Hear, hear, and maintained, rotten throughout. For this reason he said it
cheers.) He appears even in the din of battle to have won unfair to smiles the Mistake of War on ae-
found time to ley some hied word, or do pose kind act, count of the faults of a system which that how*
to his humble comrades that lived in their recollection. had anctioael and confirmed. He knew it was not
If the men spoke well of the Duke of Cambridge, what agreeable to hon. gentlemen to hear them truths; but they
attempt could he make to describe their feelings of loyalty had arrived at a wish when these truths ought to be spoken;
to the Queen ? He remained in the hospital the whole when, If they wished any reform to take plies in the
night after her letter came, and whenever he saw a man English array, they must proceed with a stern band; they
restless, or heard two or three talkie', he west and must alter the system of purchase, and put the whole stiff
reed for them, in • low voice, that gracious expression of of the service on a different footing. Now be had entered
sympathy. Ho believed that was the happiest night ever upon this subject with some demur. He had been told that
spent within the hospital walls. The enthusiasm of the it was not proper for a person in his situation to speak. To
men would bars found vent in three cheers for the Queen, his mind it appeared that the safety of their whole army
but that the doctors refused to al.ow it, fearing the was at stake—Omar, hear)—and if another army were seat
effects of the excitement on some of the patients. forth on the same footing, he did not think it would do any
He beard one man saying, " Here's a health to the Queen, better than the present one had dons. It was not
Go.i blue her." Perceiving that he was drinking one of those sufficient for soldiers to win battles' they must also go
draughts of bark or preparations of quinine which were through campaigns. Let them look at the disgraceful way
given to the patients, he said to him ' Why, my lad, that in which this war bad been conducted. (Great laughter
is a hinter draught that you are dri .
nking." "So bitter," from the Opposition.) Not by the navy. (Renewed laugh-
was his reply," that but for then words I could not get it ter.) He imputed no inefficiency to the men. They were the
down; with those words I could drink it again." This was victims of a system to which that house was to be blamed for
applauded by the men around. Such was the manner in having so long submitted. Why, they were warned of all this
which the poor fellows sweetened their medicine. (Cheers) long ago. He would not go back to the Walcheren expni-
Nor did he think that their view of the whole state of affairs lion of 1809. What was the Kate of things in the Kaffir
differed much from that which was entertained in that war? Regimeate were sent out with nothing but what was
hoses. A young man for whom he wrote a letter, after de- called Brown Bess, when even some of the Raffia wore
scribing the state of his wounds, and saying that he was ra. armed with improved rifles; and heavy dragoons were
pidly recovering, stopped short. He (Mr. Stafford) remarked sent wiser, it was impossible for cavalry to act;
to him that the letter seemed a very short one, and asked while in some inatences in which men were armed
him if he bad not better say something more. " Well," with rifles the ballots for them were too large for
said he, "pleat tell my mother that Sebastopol seems a use. It did not become them to condemn a war minister
very fine place, a nation fine place if we could only get in who had been destroyed by the system. The noble lord,
it." (Laughter.) Many of the letters which in wrote ex- whose retirement from the government he regretted,
pressed deep regret for former errors and misoondut ; sad alluded the other day to the commission of 1837. They had
he bad no notion what noble qualities these men possessed been talking for upwards of 18 years of the consolidation of
till he lived mid laboured among them. From many of the different beards. In 1818 and 1849 two direct
them there ow expressions of humble piety and of sincere motions wen made urging the government of that day to
penitential morrow. Unceasing pain, increasing weakness, consolidate this department. The noble lord the member
ap death, ell failed to unman those gallant spirits, for the City of London was then at the head of the govern-
ess it was only when they charged him with their mint, aed that illustrious man, the Duke of Wel-
last reesseps to those they loved that their voices Hilton' was at the Horse Guards. When motions
faltered. He had seen letters from sisters, mothers, were brought forward there, not only for the
and wives cherished and read over and over consolidation of the war departments, but for an
again till the very paper seemed crumbling to pieces; and alteration is the staff, it was hinted that the
in all them exprmodons of tender affection were mingled Duke of Wellingtou.was opposed to any innovation in the
with advice to go forth, if possible, and fight for their military system, and no improvement took place. Recently
country. Often did the feeling appear'to fora itself on their some of the train bad been armed with the Minis rifles ;
minds, that of what they bad suffered much might have been but be was informed that at that very moment there wen
avoided. (Hear, hear.) A brave fellow, who he found three different sorts of arms in the possession of the soldiers
afterwards had borne the highest character in his regiment, in the Crimea. The fact was that they would have
addressed to him then dreadful words : " Had I been better any reform till they commenced with the Horse Guards ;
cared for, I might have gone back to my duty in the field, they must not rest 'stilted with a consolidation of the dif-
and there I should have been ready to meet a soldier's forgot departments. It was very painful to him to make
death, bit England does not care for her army." He then remarks. (Great laughter from the Opposition.) He
then tuned his head aside and expired ; and his had, however, a superior duty to perform ;he represented
words inflicted on his mind a pang which he could a large coestitneney. It was not the first time that he had
sever forget. But England did care far her soldiers. made sub representations to the house, and he made them
(Cheers.) Before he read the newspapers, he felt that that now with the most perfect conviction that be was perform-
' poor soldier was in error; and since he came back, such ing a sacred duty. He could not resume his seat without
was the fooling which he bad found pervading all classes, alluding to the course which was taken by the noble lord
that he boldly said that England cared comparatively for on a rasa occasion. (Opposition laughter.) He won
little else, and he hoped that announcement would go forth sewed to ono man in that house—(loud laughter)—ln feel-
,to these sea tbresgh the spay of that press which some lug the greatest respect, nay, attachment, to the noble
had denemeseg. (Hw, Re was not there to yin. lord for his pest services ; and he deplored his loss to the
dials the eases of the government with regard to one par- government not only as a national, but as a universal, cab.-
'tied's' reporter and newspaper; or to assert that all that laity. (A laugh.) What nook be the state of
I the nowtgepan had printed was true, or that all the corn- feeling at Vienna—what the state of feeling at St.
meats Ia them wen wise ; but this he would say, that but Petersburg, on that occasion ? He trembled to think.
for the newspapers, the horrors to which he had referred (Renewed oppceitioa laughter.) That might be a subject of
weal& aver have been led, and not having been laughter to hon. gentlemen on the other side, but it was
revelled. WOW sever have been remedied. no subject of laughter to the people of this country.
He mast thaefeew empress his solemn conviction that the (Hear, hear.) He granted that the secession of the
pees had on the wade diesbuged an =partitive and sacred noble lord had destroyed her Majesty's government. (Hear )
duty; and its stateessale_geasrally, as to what had been What would be the position of any future government?
poising at Bala/clan and Sentari, wore endorsed by his ewe One of extreme difficulty without the noble 'ord. It would
experience. It might be mid that the Emperor of Russia be very much in the position of the distracted Boman who
knew too much through the peer of this country. The said to his capricious partner, " Non possum vines Won,
Emperor of Russia Nog set kftew too much, if he knew IMO din to." (Laughter.) He regretted the chone which
all. He malt lure hem this Impish press, that while an the noble lord had taken. He frankly owned that If De
automatic government kept the sufferings of its subjects ia had consulted his own feelings he should have got into the
dachas. and obscurity, the English plan was to bring such captain's gig and left the crew to weather the storm ; but,
thisis le epee daylight, in order that they might be die- bt such an emergency, he felt it his duty to stead by the
sessed sal pumped with. (Hear.) He learnt, not from an crew and the eased. (Laughter.) He could not mon-
asiemerame props bac elm our own, that there were no lel- cite it to hinielf—wheri Lord Aberdeen bad been
dins like English isblien, who went forth of their own free placed in a position in which no minister was
will to maintain the benne of their country by flood and over pined before, and when he entertained the
field. (Cheers.) now wr lb. events of the last three 1104 Sinai* coaviction that that noble lord was
meanslid now rembsi nay Mao is the country, and not only a geld liberal, but an honest and good politicise—
by all OWNS the l ea at Imes that) night would be (laughter)—he could not consent to desert the noble lord on
nadoeslaill Mbe wkelhm the system which had led to such such an occasion. He thanked the house for baying lir
lamentable results *all be abolished. (Oppositioa cheers,) teen to what he know to be unpalatable to a great portion
west abed" he sawill repro to the army in the East? of the mistoency. He had ventured to speak unpalatable
A tittle Yee ego that uses unanimously pasted a vote truths, and he must cow leave the motion in the hands of
of thanks to them he their gallant conduct. the hones.
That was wadi le domed invaluable wale's their Mr. Hirrurr, Major 813211P01D Mr. Muss, Mr. Bur-
sub/nun tended to prove it a mere mockery, 'IBC!, sad Mr. Rim, defended the notice ; and Mr. Rice
and wileas tDey reined to violate routine in order to save sad Sir F. T. Beams opposed it.
:an array. B/ !lionise • plain straightforward coulee that Sir E. B. LYTTON said that the noble lord the member
°°""shi give t° the young mattitl the for Londe', who had resigned office rather than resist the
psalsei eneseropmeat to rally round the flag of their
seamen forthey wail thus say, Stand by ma, and we will Proposed halultri would, the house might take it for
stead by yon.'They would also pay the only tribute in granted, vote for it if it were not for the delicacy of his
their power to those who were gone down to untimely position towards the cabinet which he bad so lately
graves; they would express their earnest sympathy wi adorned. Beth the Secretary at War and the Secretary
sorrowing relatives and survivors ; they would Wn who
wore in ajanos with them, se we ea those cob we., hostile for the Colonies had warned the house of the
to them, that the heart of the land woestill bold wed buoyant; danger of the precedent which the proposed com-
-1 and to those of their own countrymen who yet survived mitts" of inquiry would furnish ; but each an
they would give the best pledp that they were sustained apprehension be thought honourable members might
and respected, and that when other armies were sent forth
to their aid, it should he to imitate them in all but their dismiss hen their minds, for nothing but the extremity of
misfortunes. (Cheers.) the ass justified it; and it was to be hoped, for the honour
Mr. B. OSBORNE said he did not collect from this in- both ofthe "an"and of humanity, that such en "'Mien
tenetiag sad panoramic view so well submitted to the house would never "6" again. (Lon cheers from the appeal-
by the hoe. palmate who had jest sat down—he did not tic°l If it did act occur again, then the moti°""la
form no preeedent—if it did occur again, a similar motion
pair hem the means of his remarks, Of from the comments would modes the same interpretation which: the house put
Midi le had made en their military system; that he at all epos the Freesia. (Hear, hear.) He agreed with her Ma-
inbandel le naiads the naval administration as at present jesty's ministers, that they could not seated. the pro-
enstitated la the obloquy which he bad thrown on the tc"d,,.., "mai, tte•
conduct of the government. Indeed, in the course l'a;,l awaso. government; ▪ wwwkwis•
gseMMa now in-
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of that d'ibat•P bad bee. *** ****ti* his to feel meat had lien such that the house should quietly
that, although this bee
for facially asessearily bonded ageism, net ally ia the coatiamess of their power bet In
the department with whisk he was soeneeted, no honour. the ***** "I* that fralliterahait7 had. been dis-
whk gentleman, however dissatisfied with the general on. okapi 1u hit that such ma asenlespeass ea the pert of
the base wield be to make its members serene
duct of the war, a with the general seadat of the depart- gwaimies withal had bon lossidmoyss=6
ants somata with the war, had made any direct charge by the hes. member bar Horthaespemeddre—assempases
avast that board over whisk the right hon. hereon, the La the disasters of that noble away of which the
member for Carlisle, had presided, as he (Mr. B. Os. fallaq_att railroads sad of whose Seallitioa the govern.
bets) thought with semen erodit to himself. sad, he mes
a.) ""schmaca' (14.4 .beg Ina *WC
sib') The alga lord the member in the City et
west mald, with so such 'Gaieties to the country. (Hear, wawa not mob himself tithe someegam detemo ill. pia
ham) Why, eves the discursive and somewhat splenetic that he must have felt In deartieg- his albums in the
gaillsola the learned member for Aylesbury (lfr. Lewd) hour of their extresest need bust tire bias um fatale:,
who led seturasd from his aloselling in the Crimea, with We to ea tegeat :11:hdriti _lll GM Ph B. 110614 gave
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salsa Main, cad wits was so anspariag and amphibious the tardy *IA* with eulla 118.160Dskid Itfa hi hi idgeks, both by land and water, that he detracted ter.) On the aide of the house in which he (be hoe. bare-

net) jatifyialt not the same aosatervailing maples
atria heighed upon a cabinet minister, the
!aides. organ tit the cabinet, in standing alone in his
abandonment of office. But they had strong feelings for
the calamities the public had sustained, sad for the losses
which individually they had had to deplore. (Closers) He
had lost two young relations in the course of the pews%
watt, and than were thousands more who wus
that position. Alittosour to the gentlemen of
some of their kindred blood was flowing and' to low;
and would the house consent to be deterred, after
the account, which they had beard that night from the
hon. member for Northamptonshire, from seeking for a
remedy for those evils the government had admitted, and
froth inquiring iota the abases which they deplored en se-
count of some paltry technical objection to the words of the
motioa which alone could afford any redress. (Hear, hear.)
If the propmed Inquiry involved a vote of censure, then let
it be taken as a vote of censure. (Loud cheers from the
opposition.) Lai' be that precedent to other times, if there
should be sack grievous mismanagement under any other
administration. It wu quite unite for him to enter
into those detail. upon which the tary at Wu
desired to rest the ease, for he wished to bring before
the house the broad principles of the charges made
against the government. The case against her Majesty's
government was not that they had entered into hostilities,
but that they had done so without grave deliberation.
They had entered into the most arduous enterprise which
this generation had witnewed with the most utter ignor-
ance of the power and resources of Russia, of the nature of
the country their troops were about to eater, and of the
supplies their armies would require; and this was the more
inexcusable,thasnanch as the government disdained to recur
to the meet easily attainable MIAMI of information. He (the
hon. baronet) complained that twice in the same campaign
the government exposed the army to two pestilential situa-
tions ; and what other cause need they allege for the dis-
asters which had befallen our troops than those two cogent
reasons. The causes were to be found in the pestilential
situations in which the army was exposed, and In
the destitution in which the men were left ; and he thought
the failure that had been experienced became worse from
the excuses the government made for their conduct—
namely, that the officers were not accustomed to the priva-
tions they had to endure, and that the soldiers were
not inured to the climate to which they were ex-
posed. (" Hear, hear," from the Opposition.) The
Secretary at War directed nearly the whole of his
speech to show that where blunders had occurred
or omissions had been made, he had hastened to repair
them, and there might be some reason for the excuse, but
it was the dirty of the government to foresee these things,
to provide beforehand for all that might be wanted, and
not to wait until the coaeequences of their neglect defied
reparation. (Cheers.) They could not repair constitutions
that were ruined for ever, because they had exposed men to
disease without medical assistance—exposed them to
the horrors of a dismal climate without roofs to
cover or food to sustain them. (Loud cheers.) Did
they 'not know that in the summer the Crimea was ex-
posed to great clouds of dust, and that thou clouds of duet
were converted into mad in the winter? Were they not
aware that Lord Raglan, after the battle of Alms, wrote
that "he could wish he had rune men." (lieu.) When
they knew that the men were dying by disease from the
want of a road, why did they wait for the offer of Mr. l'eto ?
The right hon. gentleman 'aid that the government ought
not to be blamed for the winds, and the rains, and tte
storms. But they ought to be blamed for not taking pains
to protect the men from the effects of the climate, and ob-
viating, D the appliance' of art, the hostile operations of
nature. Hear, hear.) When the winter was oome every
wise man 'shooed hie coat, but it would seem the ;govern-
ment wanted the foresight to provide against the most ordi-
nary phenomena. (lieu.) He was glad that no attempt
was made to throw the blame on the generals. No man of
spirit would attack the absent agents when they had before
them face to face the directors who were responsible for the
errors committed. No, Lord Raglan was not to blame.
What Lord Grenville said of the Walcheren expedition
might be applied to the present case. He said that the
general did what could be expected of him ; but the go-
vernment, which had chosen the period for the expedition,
and sent it out without proper information or plan, were,
the parties to be blamed. That exactly applied to the pre-
sent case also. They were told that the Minister of War
was not to blame, but that the organisation of the depart-
ment was not complete. But who were responsible for its
incompleteness except the government ? (Hear, hear.)
But the government throughout were guilty of
the cardinal sin of short-sighted incompetence. Even
with regard to the two measures which they
passed before Christmas, one was not yet put in operation,
and the other remained a dead letter. (Hear.) They had
not taken the precaution to inquire how the Foreign Enlist-
ment Bill would be received in Germany. Even in his
despatch of that day, Lord Raglan complained of the want
of means for the conveyance of the huts. The noble lord's
resignation told them pretty plainly what should have
been done, whilst the speech of the hon. member for
Middlesex showed that if he lost a place he found a con-
stituency. (Cheers.) The hon. member who had just
spoken taxed his right hon. friend tt e member for Mid-
burst with saying that the present government existed on
the principle of a coalition. He agreed with him
in the historical part of his argument. Many of
their most powerful administrations bad been coali•
tion administrations. That was the case with Mr. Pitt's
administration, who first ejected Mr. Addington and then
coalesced with his opponents. (Hear.) But the house
would agree with him in respect of coalition governments
that one of the elements of such a government wss that its
members should coalesce. (Laughter.) But that clement
was wanting in the cue of the present government. (Hear,
hear.) There was a union of party interests, but there was
no coalition of party, sentiment, and feeling. (Hear, hear )
Lord Chesterfield remarked, when a man of obscure family
married the daughter of a lady who had a large number of
not unsuooesaful admirers, that " nobody's an married
everybody's daughter." (Laughter.) So he said of the
present government, that everybody', principles had united
with ;nobody's opinions. It was at last intimated that the
noble lord who was now in a transition state, bat who was
already illustrious as the member for Tiverton, was now
likely to receive that appointment, which if made some
months ago would have satisfied the country, and probably
saved the government. (Hear, bear.) It was now "too
late." and the greatest danger to which he was exposed
was the armed neutrality of his unsuccessful advocate, but
still "noble friend." (Cheers.) The noble lord (Russell)
was pleased on Fairly night, not very triumphantly, to
end to vindicate the whigs from the charge of ex-
elusiveness, and the solitary instance he quoted in proof
of that was the magnanimity of the present whigs in
consenting to that partition of power which was now at
an end. (Laughter.) It appeared to him that the magna-
nimity amounted to this, that when the whigs could not get
all the power, they reluctantly consented to ace ept apart.
(Cheers and laughter.) If, when he asked himself why the
whig government had received the support of the large and
respectable body of independent liberals, he found the
reason to be this, that from the memory.of former contests,
which were now at an end, they supposed that whilst the
rest of Ragland was advancing there was one party which
was always for standing still. And, thus misled, they
were content to leave the government of the country in the
hands of a small hereditary body of great families, who
assumed a fictitious monopoly of liberal policy. (Cheers.)
It was his belief that others were u fully alive to the neces-
sity of wise public measures, of steadfast progress, and with
as much sympathy for free and enlightened institutions, as
any of those great whip, who were alwsys democrats in
opposition and monopolists in office. (Loud cheers.) H.
believed it was matter of perfect indifference to the mass of
the people who were the men in office now, provided those
to whom the honour and safety of the country were com-
mitted corned on the government with spirit, and hastened
with relief to our suffering arm} . (Hear.) It had been said
that all our preceding wan comn'enced with lees and disaster.
If that were the proper for historical disquisition, he
would deny that view of the mac (Hear.) But assuming
this to be correct, how did they correct the blunders
made He remembered a ease in point. In the last cen-
tory there was a Doke of Newcastle who presided over the
department of war, who was supported by a powerful
league of whip. (Hear, hear.) Serious blunders and dis-
asters occurred at that time. An attempt was made to
patch up that luckless administration, to infuses few drops
of new blood into that feeble, decrepid, and tottering admi-
nistration; bat the people became so disgusted that they be-
came irresistible—they applied the remedy—diunissed their
ministry, and saved their army. (Lind opposition cheers.)

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and cheers.) Of course sixteen hundred does not sek.es;
rately represent the amount of relief. I apprehend I ma--
wrong in saying that the arrangement now effected '11;
WAWA to an addition of four or five thousand health:
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hope, sir, the house will not think that I state these-1,4 with • view to cancel the statements already made, bat wish to place the facts clearly before it ere it pas:- .1.-;._- "
portant judgment. Now, sir, with respect to the
reame..."--• I of the army, that is a question to which I think degeek--"
to refer, for undoubtedly the statements that gotabez7a. so fallacious that calamities, in themselves great and -'
are magnified so as to go far beyond their just
' England, and that 12,009 bayonets is now thew!.hale ek. pueblo force. This, at all events, is a matter of feet xa.
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abroad, and has been received as if it was as mesas geed-
-indeed, I may say, it his been received as gospel-for/le;
terday heard one of our moat meritorious clergymen ' a
large congregation that the army was represented by see:
third of its numbers. We are not,} sir driven to the les
leneholy conclusion that the army of
all we new Lave to answer is the formation of the arm el
tobetheanetrteed
'65. There have been, Sir, some calamities, many fa
many glorious circumstances, and, in some cases, the
of Providence has descended on us in a way we cookie*
expect ; our best hope, have
any
tender feelings have been wounded, but we are not
to the conclusion that the gallant army which left time
I shores last year,-the finest army that ever left Eaglaae,
1 we are not brought to the conclusion that that RMY ill numbered amongst the things that have payed. I hive
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of military affairs are in the habit of forming din: jade.
menu by comparison ; and when they come to contider As
French camp and its arrangements, they are apt to dem,
. inferences highly unfavourable to those engaged in
lug ours. I am far from wishing to detract from the
' organisation and perfection of military arrangenatet, •
; many in all that concerns the supplying the wants
I soldier, that distinguish our gallant allies. I Wailes,
I are many imperfections. I do not complain of dream.
parison; but I put it to the house-suppose I should byte
raeeptal*nt.oyiinfigeteseztdPe'ci, 'alio"! toimpois
establish that there were tome material points is 'hid tin
' British army was superior to the French, would they'd
think it unjustifiable ofme to make that statement hammer,
• of my ease 1 The subject is one on which I will not enter-I
I merely mention it as a reason for circumspection in decide!
f on this matter. The cue is one which deserves the attendee
i of the house, and it ought to render every assistant to ay
i government to improve the state of things. I accede to the
fairness of the picture drawn by my noble friend the IMP
I her for the City of London ; but I trust that improvemeet
1 has begun ; much labour has been lost. I admit there is
• much in the arrangements for the government of the may
i that calls for amendment ; I admit that in some important
I particulars they are so defective that the accounts remind
• may be calledon the language of my noble friend, "honihle
' and heart-rending." Now, sir, if that be a fair outline of
• the state of the army, next comes the question what is the
I cause of that state? I apprehend our first duty is tom*
a separation of those evils that are the necessary attar&
r ants of entering into war, from those faults sal
I miseries which human care might have avoided. Now,
' sit, so far as these evils are unavoidable, I am set
here to defend. I must say that some gentlemen make m
unfair estimate of what these unavoidable evils are. The
right hon. gentlemen the member for Oxfordshire says that
the providing for an army three thousand miles &walk'
nothing at all; it was only the obs'inacy of some members
of the government which prevented them from asking fte
advice in certain quarters - if that advice had been tam
every man would have hid his breakfast at nine o'clock
regularly-I thought he was going to say he would have the
Times along with ft. (Laughter.) The right hon. gen-
Semen in that respect has not taken a fair or just view of
the case. Let us see whet was unavoidable. The right
bon. gentleman made one observation for which I mean to
tax him. (Laughter.) I used the word " tax" anon-
&crossly. he right hors. gentleman appears to think that
supplies were withheld from the army, and that the war
was, se it were, starred from motives of economy. Now,
sir, it may be unpopular to speak of economy
at this moment ; but it is my duty, if no one else's;
and I do not think there could be any period at which it
would be unfitting the government of this country and the
representatives of the people to study economy. So far,
however, from economy being the prevailing spirit, I feat
we are rather open to the charge of being driven to profs-
sion in attempting to mitiga, e these evils. I hope the
house will suspend its judgment on this point till I, or some
more worthy person in my place, will have to submit to
them a proposal connected with the financial arrangements
for the coming year, and give an account foe
the put. But I do not believe that parliament is
liable to the charge of having, by its parsimony,
rendered our military service ineffective. I can
not believe that in time of peace; fourteen millions a year is
not enough to provide means of defence. There may hue
been ill'judged parsimony in some instances, but the fault
has generally been a different one. It would be unjust to
the parliament and to the people of England to allow the
charge to pass without an answer. So much, sir, for eco-
nomy. The hon. baronet who has just sat down took ca
himself to criticise the policy of the government on the att-
thority of the letter of a young officer whose letters he
quotes. He says we should never have gone to Sebastopol,
because the climate is so pestilential as to be certain ruiner
any army ; and he refers us to " M'Culloch's Dictionary."
1 have not seen the passage, but I am sure it must state
that the climate of the Crimea is very different in different
parts. Tthere is nothing in the climate of the *Guth to
prevent its becoming the .cene of military operation.. Is
truth no army can be carried into a distant country withoei
great risk, not only from climate, but from the dangers
inseparable from military service. The right boa gentle-
man the member for Oxfordshire condemns the goner
ment for not having bombarded Odessa. Suppose the
house adopt that view, and pus a vote of censure on us for
not having done so, and suppose it afterwards appear that
the government, having considered that subject, bad re-
fined to the commanders on the step, who hap
decided against it, what will be the effect of
your vote of censure ? We are told Odessa would have
made good winter quarters. Why it is an open town, saw
Bible on any side. With an army of three hundred thousand
men within easy reach of it, what would be the Lonaition
of our army there ? The hon. baronet tells us we sent to
Spain and Egypt for mules, when we ought to have got
them at Gallipoli. I am sure the member for Aylesbury
will not back that charge. Why, Gallipoli is a small place,
not even a port. I suppose its whole traffic does not occupy
twenty mules. The hon. member for Aylesbury stated a
few night ago that means of transport had not bees
collected even at Varna. Such is not the fact, at
that time over five thousand baggage animals,
horses and melee, had been collected. An honourable
member this evening complained we Carried three horses
for the Times correspondent, while we tarried only one for
the officers ; a few nights ago the charge was that we had
made the officers carry horses which they did not want. I
will venture, air, to leave the hon. baronet and his military
' criticism. I will now address a few words, in the
, first place with respect to .alleged shortcomings of my
' unable friend the Minister of War, and the deficiencies
mad neglect on the part of the administration of
the war department at home, and on the 'part of those
charged with the discharge of similar duties in the Crimes.
As regards the administration of the war department hers,
and its actual state, it is admitted on all hands to be defers.
tive. (Hear, hear.) But it is not admitted that nothing
has been done to cure those defects ; or, on the other hand,
that they are so defective as to deserve the censure of this
house. Your war department here may be in a very ins-
, perfect state compared with the war department of France,
which has had a standing war, carried on by 00,000 or
80,000 men, within the last twenty-five years. But I be-
lieve it is the opiniea of military men that the perform-
ances of your war department are in no degree inferior to
what they were at the close of the last war ; but surely it
is something to have lost practice for years. The right hon.
member for Oxfordshire (Mr. Henley) says-" You sent al
army to the East, and you sent it unprovided
with necessaries." That is a very intelligible charge;
and if there were a grain of truth in it, he
might carry any vote he pleased in the house
with regard to the government. But I beg entirely to join
brae with him; and instead of admitting that the army
has been sent untrovided with necessaries, 1 will refer to
the fair and candid statement with which the hon. sad
learned member for Sheffield opened this debate, when he
mid," You have sent an army to the East in numbers and
la efficiency such as never quitted these shores before, and
em army likewise unequalled in its equipments." He weal
ea to say that upon the shores of the port of Balaklava there
were rotting stores of every possible description, sufficient,
hispovide for the wants of two such armies. (Hurl I
les&ve that statement to have been, perhaps in some poiats
Woad, but, upon the whole, not very far from the truth. •
tholes that is an answer as far as regards the charge that,
Ibis army has been sent from England unguided.
with necessaries. But if you intend to censure the'
military departments, then it will recoil on the getup-'
meats who have held office successively in this country, sod
upon the parliaments whims ecesfidenere they have enjoyed.-
But I do not think it is the military departments; it is. my
noble friend the Secretary of State for War upon wilmehua
you propose to discharge your vengeance. Now,=ers
are states of opinion with which it Le vain to con
There are duties which it is beyond the power of man ea*.
factorily to discharge. I imams, it is my ow*

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed
that the motion then presented involved several questions
of the highest importance influencing at once the existence
of the ministry, the fate Of the army, and the duty which
the house essumed as the judge of official conduct and the
source of political action. ,With regard to the position,
past and present, of the government, Mr. Gladstone en-
tered into many details, recapitulating the principal facts
stated in the explanations offered by Lord John Russell,
adding some new particulars which led to the inference
I that, up to the very night when parliament re-useen-
, bled, the other members of the government had cause
to believe that the objections once entertainedZ
the late President of the Council to the war a
nietration had been altogether withdrawn. He continued
Well, now, sir, so much for the state of the govern-
ment ; bat there is another question, for more important in
the view of all—that is the state of the army in the Crimea.
(Hear, hear, and cheers.) Sir, it is net only the state of
the army that the house has to madder, bat it must
also consider the means of applying a reniody. I do not
mean, sir, to attempt to attenuate or weaken the interest
felt in the house and country with regard to the condition
of the army; it would be to do violence to the nature of
Englishmen ; truth, it is the absorbing question of the
day ; and when the hon. member for Northampton said
that all Englishmen cared for the army, he might have
added that they seemed to care for nothing else.
For my part I would not oppose any impediment to the so-
Son if it could be shown that it would contribute a jot or
tittle to the benefit of the army. (Hear, hear.) Now, air,
what is the actual 'sedition of that army ? Here it is our
duty to lay aside ear feelings, for we came to a very dif-
forgot operatics, the appeoelation of evidence ' • the evidence
on which we base ear notion of that condition is that of the
publitatbo, which is derived from persona who must
see ;el from • certain point of view. I will not
now bow iamb of that might have been avoided.
I will 'begun to hope that the evils are In coons of dimi.
maths. I will MU one es two main notate. What is their
swains at Shia inemeat ? The public is aware
that large gaaatitfee of warm sleeking have been vest ant
it is note in the posesidon of every man; there may be
individual exceptions ; but Lord Raglan's statement must be
eabetantlally sanest—the hate have arrived and are in the
course of being sleeted ; the sicknes which prevailed to

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