The Express.
London, England, 1855-06-06 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS. WEDNES DAY EVENING, JUNE 6, 1855.

ficr that sir years' war keep up year fleet to the
establishmeat necessary for watch's, Basta fa
tho Black Beat It has beta said that though
Russia say premiss that so aggressive uswiasiat
shall be made upeolieV bold , yet se VP* MON Wks, sap
W ag that Lewis we mass um bug se.
' duds' tho aurabir of ships. But it appeals to use
that Yes Rot go firths, than this, for if you tiodurtelio to
malatala the ladopeadoess of Turkey you take a task la
hand that mutat be seempllebed without great sad per-
ambitospoass to the seautry—a task which will impel
to taelaWn a large animist continually oar the watch
- - .
-. (Rear-

mese, mad asked the Chasm Her of the Exabequa whoa he
proposed sea to take supply.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was
proposed to go into committee of ssully ou the snails-
mous estimates on Thanday next, after the debate on the
Scotch Edusatioa Bill. (Loud laughter.)
VACCINATION.
Sir J. PAXINGTON asked whether any steps were
being table to render mon satisfactory the working of the
Veseisatios AO ?
Sir G. GREY said the subject was under consideration,
sad he was la commasioatios with the Board of Health, bat
could mot fix a day.
TORTURR IR MADRAS.
Mr. OT WAY asked walks govenmenthad resehed the
report of the assignee's inesiated to lesions bee the
alleged ewe of Wes at Madras ; and if sok whether
they had taker" emy seep to prevent in being forwarded to
the India Hoses, preview to its being laid an the table ?
Mr. V. 811ITH said that the report bed at sena before
him, bat pledged himself to its production, sessediag to
prembe.
PARISH CONSTABLES BILL.
Mr. DEEDES moved that the order of the thy for the
three upon this bill be read sad discharged. He said
that the Homo Secretary having intimated that be would
oppose the farther progress of the measure, sad that he
would bring forward a general bill to apply to the whole
kingdom, be thought it better to withdraw it at eau.
Sir GAMEY enplaned that what he stated was that he
was impressed with tie neosleity of having a atom sys-
tem of police throughout the country, and that that object
might be attained by the Rural Constabulary Act, the
adoption of which he thought the bill of the hon. member
was calculated to provost.
The order for the committal cf the bill was than read
and discharged, and the bill was withdrawn.
THE VIENNA CONFERENCES.
Mr. BRIGHT inquired whether the noble lard (the
Prime Minister) was sow prepared to answer the question
he had put on the previous night In reference to the pro-
duction of further papers completing the aeontat of what
bad taken plea at Vienna, especially as to say new propo-
sition made subsequently to the data of the papers already
en the table ?
Lard PALMERSTON had no objection to lay upon the
table the last official communication received from the Aus-
trian government, together with the answer to it. He
might take the present opportunity of Informing the ham
that the goverument had received to day • telegraphic des.
patch from Vienna announcing that the conference met yee-
terday, sad that after a communication had been exchanged
between the several plenipoteatiaries it was finally closed.
(Lad sinus from both sides of the house.)
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY inquired if the papers the noble
lord bad undertaken to produce would include the proposi-
tions alluded to by Coat Baol in his communication of the
14th alt. ?
Lord PALMERSTON—What I said was that I would
lay es the table the official communisatia resolved from
the Austrian pregnant, sad the answer to it. When
these papers me produced the hon. baronet will see whether
they oaten the information he requires. (" Hoar," and
laughter.)
THE WAR.—THE ADJOURNED DEBATE.
Mr. COBDEN resumed the debate. After adverting to
the importance of the subject, and defending the small
minority who compased the peace party from the {reputa-
tion east upon them by the majority, and especially by
some of the liberal members—reinindiag the hoses that
Burke was accused in his day of having eased the Ameri-
cas war just as the three or four members who were the
advocates of poses now were charged with having
caused the present war—that Cbathaen himself did
not soaps similar imputations—and that that great
chief of the whig party Fox, was stigmatised
as the tool of France, and caricatured by
Mr. Gilray as inviting over the French to heads
us, he sanded to deny that beam* he end his friends
were eppNed to this war they advocated anything so
aleg m that is no ease could war be jut, inevitable,
ge smeary. It may, I think (continued the hoe. member)
he fairly admitted that we have all a common interest in
view—that is, the interest of our common country. The only
object we have at heart, and the only object we have •
right to consider in the discussion of this question, is the
honest and jut rights and interests of England. (Hear,
hear.) We may as individuals desire to act philanthro-
pically to all the world—as Christians we may wish
to have the power to Whet chastisement on the wrong doer,
and raise up the down-trodden amongst the nations—but
we do not come here in the House of Commons to vote
taxes for carrying out schemes of universal benevolence,
and for extending the protecting hand to all the oppressed
matins of the world. We have limits to our power, ; but
in confining the exercise of those powers to the interests of
me own country we must remember that the heat interests
England are is harmony with the interests of the whole
world. (Hear, bear.) That being the case, let us, I say,
throw to the winds all the declamatory balderdash and rub-
bish we have heard from the Treasury benches about our
lighting for the liberties of the whole civilised world, and
OW& is brought forward only to suit the purpose of the
lialeseet ; for when they oome to the conferences of
Timms, to discuss terms of peace, we see hew they
throw aside those inflammatory statements by memo
of which they have whipped and lashed the
snaky into this war. (Hear, hear.) I wish, in the
but plea, to revert to the speech of my right hoc. friend
the member for Southwark. If there be an hon. or a right
boa. member la this hous • whose opinions I have • right to
we I understood in past times, it is his. (Hear, hear.) I
mg lib dellberately, and my right hoes friend can-
s* amissoliet as (hear, hear), that never was a speech
mode by any member of this boas so utterly at variance
with nil his previous declaration of opinions as that de.
Wend lest night by my right hos. friend the member for
liaMbersak. (Hear, hear.) The right bon. gentleman
sill essmeahn the jou desprit of Moen, written, I think,
is 1833, in reference to the whip, when, after stting long
Is the cold shade of the opposition, they at length succeeded
la the Treasury benches,and immediately began to follow the
=Ltof the tones* their predecessors. I am sure my right
d will recollect it, for, if I mistake not,we have often
inpatient spoken of it together as generally applicable to
mos when they get into office. The point in the ism
Oman I allude to illustrates the position of the whigs by •
reference to a certain Irishman who went to the West
bask aad who, on meeting with a number of blacks who
yobs tolerably bad English, and whom he mistook there-
.= he countrymen of his owe, said to them, "What, black
lila early already!" (" Hear," end laughter.) We have
Am seen metamorphoses on the Treasury benches ; we
lbee sees Is very many cage the colour change and the hair
paw wily in a very short time ; but never have we seen
akar disarm suddenly into so complete and deep a jet-
lisit—never hair become so stiff and curly as in the ease of
tbia=t bemearable member for Southwark. (Roars of
r.) Row I should like sow to bear that right
bosearablesontilesess read that admirable speech he made,
ma on thsesmies merely of the great panic debate oa the
Obeli w
elts
tlhomh that would be instructive), wherein
he L, ss a meddling policy of the noble lord (Lord
Pahmenes), but how I should take to hear him read here,
hem the benimaiag to the end, the speech he made in the
Meese of Leeds, when we were in danger of going to war
elth France on the Syrian business, against our involving
esembes in war for the protection of Turks, Syrians, Egyp-
tians, Greeks, or anybody else. (Load cheers.) I should
like to sae my right hon. friend now stantigin that table,
sad be forod to read that speech from wing to end,
and let the house contrast it with the spec he made lot
night. (Cheers and laughter.) The right has. gen-
tleman says the question now is, whether we
(that is the government) are right is refusing
to make peace on the terms proposed by Ruda.
That is not the whole question. The question is debate—
and which is to be decided by the division to-sight—is
whether the plan proposed by the government was the best
sad the only plan that could, under the embolisms, he
devised (hear, hear) ; or whether the difference between
the plan and the plea proposed by Russia was gush se to
warrant the recommencement of the war. These are the
questions we have before a to-night. What is the dif-
foresee between the two roman ? Remember, it is the
government of this country with whom webers now to deal.
They are the parties who are now responsible for the war;
they will have the glory if it succeed, and upon them must
rest the responsibility if it fail. Well, what is the differ-
uses between the proposal of the government of Ragland
mid the proposal of the government of Russia? The
question between them was—whether Russia should have
Isar sail of the line, four frigates, mad • proportionate num-
ber of smaller vessels in the Black Sea; or whether all
the navies of the world should have free aeons to that sea,
sal Russia be permitted to have as many ships there es she
grd? (Hear, hear.) Now, I have been told by a new
mes Oat if Russia bad your Omni and de-
stroyed her old weetblessier o:dend her green-timber
vessels, sad east ea eider to the Vatted Butes for four first-
elms line of battle elms ships, of 130 gum sash, fitted with
screws, fear frigates of that elastic easeaster we know
the build, iambi perhaps Mb
and also bled bib mew% and • me fe
smaller smoweesnie—she would have Critriestseei demi.
able bey Isis lamb Sea then ebbe ever yet had—a hoes
that would be able le ampere esesmitally with doable the
naval prow she hoe ems yet mobilised to that sea.(llsoe)
If that be the sole, what poi dbiendes d prim web
we. Age all, ging to fames upes Medi he the beim
eies Whitey 'Bet Russia bibbed ebb pooposi hr
Wilkie ibis number of her ships es • Fist et Sot
es bpi jorinad of dimisishing bee tame shoseebbined es
(Bur 4 Nvw_, boomer the right hen, ps-
alms says, Uwe allow Buda 'bay* free mom bib
Ilea See, sad we have else tees assess to these webs%
ail be put to as esensous upesditure h kb*/ g
dirge pease establishment for the purpose of wishing Rya.
ids is the Blab Sea. The right UM. gentleman had Masi
Of the probability of ade years' war. Now let me ask hew
lose Would be (Merst of the mosey you will have to pay

aibdieprtais re as answer, and he told the
_fie_ that the would give an answer, and
say no, OM treat all that took place there as me&
elendial, bat that Hilts noble lord allowed kin to go oat of
dig, TOM without an answer, looking to the soirees
of tke balloraratias he had received, he would not
sake say secret of what parsed on that (ma-
ga& TM state of Olegs was very serious. We had
eastrived be detail Germany aad Austria from pe ; tbwrre
was we bops of tisk joining us ; that was &raided—there
was swan am Is help us. What would our fate be if, by
sad bye, It was Foetid that Ragland was the same oi the
_
rsessmiiipseptseit

'tea
en Turkey or in its imiaediate vicatity. beer.) You
my you cannot believe Russia, end you cell upon her foe
evenraties. I would ask the noble lord, the member for
IMAM idea ta,....tsliEV•at model of whiggery, whoa the
mop* (Fox), said upon the subjest of se-
Klairrw.-as said we must have securities against
M of Prance, and the tortes of that day were
what the noble hid is now urging,
Kr. -Mi. "Ka have secstrities—the only securities we
inn rear Wm, namely, the interest of Franca to
make perm Mama NM be her interest she will keep it ; such
bKa illala of di lesticas, end it will be so at long as
Kameda jests—year only security is your own vigilance."
If you emergeise it as the policy of this nation that you will
'odd armies to light the battles of the ointment in the
midst of their great standing armies and their system of
conscription, I should be a hypocrite to say that such a
policy was consistent with that moderate peaces establish-
ment which it has been the maxim of this country for years
put to maintain. If you ackeewledge that policy you
must be prepared to keep up a large standing army to place
yourselves is a military point of view on a par with France,
with Austria, with Prussia, with Russia, and the rest, for
if you attempt to follow out such a policy without such
preparation to uphold it, depend upon it the country is
but preparing the way for a most ridiculous and ignomi-
nious exposure of weakness. (Hear, hear.) I would ask
the right hon. gentleman when he last night indulged in
vituperation against Russia, when he told us that Russia
was not to be trusted, whether he was aware that as •
cabinet minister he bad himself been a party to an engage-
ment with Russia to interfere conjointly in the affairs of
Moldavia and Wallachia. The right honourable baronet
told us last night that Russia was altogether
without shame' and he attributed to her every
sentiment and set that sou vile and dishonourable.
Did he not know at the time that he, as a member of
the cabinet, was himself a party to the treaty by which we
were to join ourselves with France, Austria Prussia,
Turkey, and Russia, to be the guardians of Wallachia end
Moldavia, to interfere by fore* of arms in her internal
elan, and to form a tribunal that would, is feet, canal-
overnment of those Principalities ? By the treaty
in the fourth protocol, you have bound yourselves
ilrineelae beseemia, conjointly with Russia and the other
Ke government of Wallachia and Moldavia. I will
MK Ks Mama to the house, in order to show what en-
=nts you Lave catered into with that power, which,
you have had some newspaper statements of sue.
lIIMes mad altered circumstances, it now suits you to vitupe-
Mak but which at other times you can slaver over with your
Miss(Hear.) Here is the seventh article of the pro.
isat I will read also the sixth. It provides—" That
ilimm shall be no interference without the consent of the
bleb diatreeting parties—England, France, Russia, and
Alleatabad the courts will not afford protection in the
P to foreigners whoa. troceedinge may be
prej is the tranquillity of these countries or
the mKgdibettring states ; and disapproving such
proems. they engage respectively to take
into imeadderation the representations made by
either et the powers, or even by the local authorities."
Thus you are bound, together with Russia, if the governor
of Bucharest should make a report of some local difficulty,
some local Musa, you are bound, in conjunction with Rus-
sia, to interfere and arrange it. And what is the conelu-
Lion ? I blush when I read it. Here it is—" On its aids,
the Sublime Porte engages not to tolerate in the read-
*Wes foreigners, such as are just described ; nor to allow
the local inhabitants to meddle with matters dangerous to the
tranquility of their own country or the neighbouring states."
And this is signed by a Russell ! (Hear, hear.) The name
of John Russell stands at the foot of these protocols as a
party in preventing the inhabitants of those countries from
meddling with their own local matters, if in the opinion of
the powers it should be considered dangerous to the tran-
quillity of their own country. (Hear, hear.) Mark, how
changed is the child and champion of revolution when he
breathes the air of Vienna! (Loud cheers.) My hon.
friend the member for Aylesbury than these sentiments,
and my d iation of this arrangement. (" Hear, hear,"
from Mr. Layard.) But has my hon. friend himself in
this matter named that bold, ....latent, and stllllll7 MOW
. .

_---ens of the war, aid that she bad need con-
gaff he thilandea of the French senesnent and the
yeenebigE / That might lead to the opposite of
ai we beet the eldest of the two it might
lead to estrempeuent. If we were to carry on
Obi lief Is umjention with Frans alone, did not
that Javan the responsibility of doing more than
we are Mir ? Would it not tome day be a sub-
j.* of nothmination that our force in the Crimea nun
Mal, sad that of the French so great ? This wee not, per-
bage,the thorn time to bring up this question, but he would
seer to oWiestedne which had been made by the hon. mem-
ber for Iseenweesaldreotho stated that we were 40,000 short
of the somber of men voted by parliament. It was stated
by a noble Ind a member of the government is December,
that we wen 20,000 short; and the hon. member for Inver-
usee.ahlre said that the militia regiments in Ragland were
mere skeleton, while in Ireland end Scotland they were,
practically, disbanded. If that was true, and we
still wanted forty thousand men, might we not be
urging on the war with that blind heedlessness with which
everything had bun done by the government, without
looking three months beforehand; red by and bye again
see the consequences of this want of foresight ot the go-
vernment ? He was speaking at a moment when the coun-
try was suited by the recent intelligence from the seat of
war. Now, if any one studied the maps of the scene of the
operation, it would be seen how much was male out of
very little, although it bad done much to increase the con-
fidante of the people. He placed no limits to the power of
Instead and France if they pat out their strength, bat he
was not so sure that our position in the Crimea was as
supposed. He bad been in communication with a gentle-
man with regard to the supply of toed to the Russians in the
Crimea, sad he did not learn from him that Sebastopol de-
pendedou Kutch for food. He was told by this gentleman
(and it ought to damp this unwarranted exultation), who
was a holder of corn at Kenn, that the Russian govern-
ment had stated to him five months ago that they could not
be responsible for the safety of his corn. Five months ago,
Russia gave notice that it was intended to abandon Kenn,
and no doubt it was the same with Beriansk and other places
in the Sea of Asoff. From what he gathered there was
gnat exaggeration with regard to this expedition to the Sea
, of Azar. If there was really anything in it, what must now
be the reflection of those who had the ships to undertake it
long ago ? (Loud cheers.) Were we sore that the *spun-
tin was not miessioned by the same cause which took our
Imp Mm Gallipoli to 'Varna, and from Varna to the
Orinse—the ay of "Do something." (Hear, hear.) If
our a pesuneseat or • commander did something because
they wen told to do something, and for no other
ream, the chances were • hundred to one
that they would do nomethieg wrong. (Hear' hear.) He
want% sure that the expedition was caused by anything
but bemuse the government was called on to do something,
and be would now record his deliberate opinion that, while
the proceedings in the Sea of Azoff wets destroying private
propertv, and would not add to the lustre of our arms, he
believed that they could have no better effect on the war
than the marauding expeditions last year in the Gulf
of Finland had on Cronstadt. Ile believed that
the supplies of Sebastopol came entirely from Po.
rekop, and that that plan and Simpheropol were
strongly fortified like Sebastopol, and that both must
be taken before you could intercept the food of the Russian
army, and take Sebastopol. All to the interception of sup-
plies into the Crimea SCION the steppes beyond Perekop, he
was told by a gentleman that every spring 1.000 carts were
obtaisel to go from Odessa and other places on;the cout,over
the steppes, with produce to the Crimea, and that all that
commerce was now suspended. The consequence was
that the Russian government would avail itself of all
that mesas of conveyance, while so far from the
steppes being an obstacle,
.journeys were made over steppes
five or six times greater in extent than those. Was it not
better that we should look at all these things in this light,
and calmly consider them, without giving way to an effer-
vescence of feeling which prevented our judging of the con.
sequenon of what we were about to de ? We had recom-
mit:ad the war with a determination to take Sebastopol.
When he said that the united strength of England and
France weld not be resisted by any human power, be made

which, with his declared opium., I thick he alto . It is
well known that the sympathies of my hon. friend were in
favour of the war, because he believed it angered some
advantages to nationalities, that it would tend to the in-
dependence, or at least the good government, of certain
states in Wallachia, Moldavia, Servia, and the rest.
(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Layard ) But has my hon. friend
so little sagacity as lot to see that all this waste of blood
end treasure bad very different objects in view from time
he contemplates ? And seeing the course the war bestehen,
and the terms and arrangements upon which the govern-
ment are ready to conclude the war, my hon. friend ought
to denounce it altogether, since it has nothing at all to
do with these objects for which alone he km declared it was
defeasible. (Hear, hear.) Before the war actually broke
out I was appealed to, by illustrious names, not to oppose it,
because it was looked forward to by them as likely to pro-
mote the independence of pertain down-trodden communi-
ties on the continent. I gave my opinion in
answer to that request eighteen menthe ago in
writing, and I am not now disposed to recall a
single word I then stated. I warned those persons who
came to me, that if they expected that a war, originating in
diplomacy, as this has done, and carried on by means of
enormous armies, as this has been, and with such men as
those who are at the head of our own government, and of
the governments of the continent, to give direction and
purpose to it—l waned them that they would deceive
themselves if they supposed such a war would teed to their
advantage, or satisfy their aspirations—and I added, that
my feat was that the effect of such a war would be just the
opposite of what they wished—and would strengthen those
despotisms they hoped to weaken and depress still more
those oppressed communities they hoped to serve.
(Hear, hear.) Bun was my opinion Um, and. such I still
believe • - " -of this

in favour of a

MOT tint either.

one exception greater _
He alluded to pestilence and disease. He had read lateiy
some extracts from Spencer's work with reference to the
climate of the Crimea, which bad reference to the summer.
He never dreamt of applying those observations to the
winter, for if well housed and fed, and not overworked in
the trenches, there was nothing in the constitution of an
Englishmen to prevent his living and being in health in the
winter in the Crimea. But in the summer, according to
the hest aathorities, it was hardly possible for en
Beglishman in the Crimea, unless the most care-
ful precaution was observ+ll, to escape the intermittent
fever which prevailed in July, August, and half of Septem-
ber. Those were the fatal months. If any one sinned
against the meet careful rules of diet—if a man went out in
the mid-day sun, or wee exposed to the night dews—if he
took cold water when heated, or ate new corn or fruit—all
these things brought on the intermittent fever , and all
these precautions soldiers, of all other men, disregarded. He
dreaded the fate of the army in July, August, and Septem-
ber. Had that been thought of by the government when
they tamed away from peace ? On them and on their
shoulders would rest the whole responsibility. He
would not, for all their emoluments, and all their
power, take on himself the responsibility they incur-
red in the next six month,. If no pestilence destroyed our
army, and we triumphed is the Crimea, all the honour
would he theirs; but if our army was destroyed by pesti-
lence, if it failed in the field, and there was a repetition of
the disasters of last winter, they mist be prepared for retri-
bution—nothing short of physical violence, which would
some upon them in the next six months; and such a retribu-
tion would be only deserved bye government which went on
with a war as the present government had done. They did
not proceed with the waren the ground they formerly took. It
was then said that we were fighting for the liberties of ear-
ths whole

.to be the tendency cm ._ ~ war. (Hear, bear.) Bat -- -- --_- ---- - - the power of having . might
to revert to my right bon- friend's allusions to Bus- many sad Europa; but now _ _ question of the war effect as much mischief as if there were no limitation. I
ail : I believe there are few whose public views was the free ingress and egress into the Black Bea, or the believe that if Russia be perfidious, with the limitations you
are more opposed to Russian despotism than mine ; but it is limitation of the ships of Russia in that sea. That was the propose all her objects may be effected ; and if on the other
unjust—l had altered said it was scandalous for • cabinet infinitesimal point which was now in dispute. Was not band she be not perfidious but trustworthy—and during the I
minister, who, within these few weeks, was himself • party something depending on the House of Columns ? Had 40 years she was our ally we had no reason to think her
to these confidential and, as I think, seaworthy arrange- they not whitened the state to which parties end public otherwise—any such limitation would be unnecessary.(Hear,
meets with Russia, to get up and speak of tbs govern- opinion out of doors had been brought by the war ? No hear.) There is another observatioa occurs to me, and
meet of that country as my right hon. friend did in his man seemed to know his friends, or to have confidence in that is, that if in peace time the stipulated number
speech of last night This conduct, however, is not con- any public man. That was ens of the consequence. were exceeded by • ship of the line or so, England would
.
geed to my right bon- friend: the same game of seesaw they had to look to if any disaster came upon the not go to war to prevent the infraction. (Hear, bear.)
has characterised the members of the goverment through- country. He would not allude to • bad harvest It is admitted on all hands that the interests of England in
out. From time to time they change their tone and their (which might Heaven avert), but there were circometances this matter are remote and contingent, while those of
arguments to suit the press and the feeling of the people which might place the country in peril because of the want Austria are direct and immediate. Bhe has a deeper in-
oat of doors. And so obvious is the alteration which a of confidant in public men. How had that arisen ? He tenet thus either Francs or England, and let me ob
few leading articles produce, that it might be supposed if must say that public men bed shown too iittle. self-respect, that the position of Austria at the abrupt close ef the nego-
the same thing happened in some other enntry, end had yielded their judgments to the dictation of others. tiations is not that which it was at the commencement.
• people of less disownment than ourselves, What wore they there foe but to study public questions, I think that the observations made last night by
Wit 'shiest secrets oozed out and were communicated and why were they not to give the public the advantage of the hon. baronet the member for Hertfordshire, were most
to thus newspapers perhaps by some lady friend—that the their deliberations and convictions. lie believed there was judicious with respect to Austria, who, under trying chum-
wife possibly of some cabinet minister drew front her but. much want of an open, frank declaration of opinion by stances, has throughout been a faithful friend to England.
band and divulged to the wife of the editor of some leading public men, which had induced a want of confidence in (A laugh.) the stands on • narrow isthmus between two
journal the fact that: there were two parties in the cabinet— them. The public had gone hastily for the war, raging seas, the barbaric fierceness of Russia on the one
• war putty and a peace party, and that the puns party, The publis had had very erroneous notions of the character side, and the high military spirit of the Western Powers on
which was the weaker, required to he whipped into sub• and objects of this war. The tone of public opinion and of the other, and is thereinto entitled to the utmost forbear-
Mbeillik. (Hear, hear.) So completely have we seen the the pier, when this was broke out, showed the greatest ance from us. I hold that peace is the paramount policy of
ignorance and arrogance as to the enemy we had to contend
nesse in the tone of the government accord :with the England, and it is also the paramount policy of Austria, and
altered tone of the leading articles of the newspapers from with. It did not sum like a nation that was going to in- therefore she is our natural ally. We ought to bear
day to day that the use I have imagined to have vade three thousand miles off an empire of sixty millions of with her infirmity and consider her position, and above all
taken lace in another country might almost be PeoP,le- He (Mr. Cobden) would rut his cue entirely upon things not to quarrel with her or come to • hasty rupture.
sus to have happened here. (" Hear, hear," our infatuation in invading Russia with a land force. If we (Hear, hear.) I think we are entitled to know what were
analr"Vughter.) What had been the conduct of bed congaed ourselves to navaloperations—whichhe believed the proposals that Austria made to England end France at
the noble lord, the member for London, for in• was what parliament would hire approved, if they had the close of the conference—(hear, hear)—aad regret that
stases ? We find at the conferences at Vienna the acted upon their own judgment, although when he proposed the noble lord was not present on the 28th April. I quite
noble lord assumed the most polite and agreeable ee- to move a reeolutloa to that effect he could not get twelve wee with the envoys in rejecting the proposition
meanour. There was no bard language used there, but numbers of the House of Commons to support him—would of the rears narrows, but I entertain quite another
any of tkime discontents have existed ? We should have opinion with respect to the when he returns to the House of Commons we find him proposition of the 26th
falling back upon the old strain, and talking about Russia sent forth the grandest naval armament that ever left these of April. It was not an ultimatum, but both Count Boot
establishing large fortificetions on the German frontier and shores, the mint perfect models of naval architecture—a and the French envoy thought that' it:contained within it
magnificent spectacle; there would have been no disease, no
in the Baltic, and of her iatriguee in the German courts. elements of adjustment. M. Drouyn de Lhuys having given
Bat did it never occur to the noble lord that the obvious starvation and misery, no watt of discipline on board our this opinion proceeded to Paris, as the noble lord proceeded
reply to, these; statements was, " Pray which of the four ships; sad if they did not come back to us bring
ingilloti, to London, but having had the advantage of discussing the
}dots was Wended to rectify this evil—(cheers)—which because no enemy showed himself, they would not have proposition with the Russian envoy. It is rumoured, and
of these great forti- brought back any
of them would have met the difficulty tales of misery, mismanagement, the rumour is confirmed by statements in the public papers,
flostion ia the Baltic, and prevented Runs from interfering and diluter- (Bear, hear.) But we had attempted that the French envoy was so well satisfied with the list
and oneraneking on Germany ?" There is no guarantee in too myth, and without knowing the difficulties which proposition as moulded by Austria that he submitted it to his
Huse fintr points naiad the rebuilding of Bomamund— Wan to be encountered. Huh ss he blamed Lord government, that the Emperor of the French was not unwill-
three kno protection for the Circaosians. The independence Region for not making • road, and others far the edema- mg to accept it, and that its rejecioa took place through the
of the world is forgotten when the noble lord is at Vienna, but lesgentent of the war* he maintained that, in seeding an influence of the English government. (Hear, hear.) I
Is resalled to his mind the moment be returns to the House army to invade Russia, we had poured for ourselves in- only, it is true, speak from rumour, but surely we wall
of Commons. It was whispered that we were fight- evitaMe disaster. Posaibly we mien repair that disaster ; bound to speak out on this occasion. lam no admirer of
lag more at the wish or Francs than our own. but the emdition was undertaken by our government in Russian tyranny and ambition, but lam the sincere friend
Bat MN we Ma that _the war Wail not going blind obedience tea cry oat of doors, when the men who of peace on honourable terms, and shall regret much to find
on against the wish of the r won people ? He would were Galled the statesmen of this country ought to have ex- that • favourable opportunity has been lost of making peace
ask gentlemen who were acquainted with and had noised their own better discretion. We once sent an army without prejudice to the national honour. I hear much
000nesions in Franceiwnether they had not private informs- three thouand miles to subdue our colonists in America. Oar about fighting for prestige, but I must say that a
had but two millions and • half or three millions more dangerous doctrine
tion on this point, for of course there was not much informs- armywas laid down. I think
y we must adhere to • definite object, and adhering to that 1
tion to hs got from the prose in that country. He heard from canto people to contend with there, but it was miserabl
privets warms that the war, which was never very 'echo. rsted. There wee miameuegeruest, so doubt, at that object, I think there was something in the curiously-
elastically liked in France was now more than disliked. time ; bat would the molt have been different however balanced petition of the opposing forces which makes the
Then what ware the wishes of the French government ? He long the war might have bolls prolonged ? Napoleon I. present juncture peculiarly favourable for peaceful negotia-
ti
Althoughe . (Heal ra.
m) Thea friendbrinoutrooßf
utgal,anl dthirkstthabet
tconsidered.hehonour
twealasZeentotatiaagsaatibjecdtaithitangrabasadtkdhatthhee naloabaleahloardat ibaavadadynete-thallßeustdatesarrathearet th4saalcal7hafanhald fri:uonatilit:t halm
=Mon) that he should treat of publicly, be- proposition so far,—, :' I will strike at the heart of the Russian of Runs ought also to be considered ; and if you push her
as he did that it was his duty to speak unpin. and I will take securities for peace in the capital of to the wall, you will not get peace, and may not be able to
out en a question which involved great events and Bseela." Bat we went not to the hurt of Russia, and we overcome her paasive resistance. I wish that all party hel-
lo& be fraught with calamities to the country. He did net go with all Europe at our back, as mg may be banished when dimming this goes-
saw Is this point—was it the wish of the French govern- he did—for he bad armies drawn from ever, tin. Swami cords—we should lift up our hearts
meat to p on with the war ? or was it the wish of our country, from the confines of the Baltic to the shore such feeling when the interests of great
governmeat ? It had beet industriously spread abroad that estremit, of Italy i pen had Prussia and all Germany nations and the cause of humanity are at stake, and I
the Fronk dynasty bad so mush at stoke in the war that foe the base of his opens, having ia his , am
on all the confident we shall but serve that enutry which is so dear
the aseenowat se Frame dared not withdraw their army strongholds of the German frontier ;he Ciar a:Austrian to us all, by endeavouring to ob • the
peace moment our
moo bade Sebesierg ed wierient of the effect which such army to support his flank, and led the legions of almost honour has been satisfied. (Hear, hear.) I believe that an
a step wooldhavesa the Tres& people. Now, his hon. friend the
istynnental nation. Yet wakes, what was We result opportunity occurred for i restoration when pad mid himself bed Wit osoodusioatea to them to h ; and had WO an MOOD tonppose that ROODS DOW ta restoration when the proposi-
tion of the 26th of April was submitted, . and I shall regret
ea pea that the Freadigevernment had stated to heel, NI, that example to stimulate and _encourage her .' to the latest hour of in life if I gnd
owe
teet moo dined to amp ey either alternative patriotism, woman snow • iess stubborn rumens to us MOO has beenwholly l know that
lento
prrtanity
of the dis eke lastpreemeds. He was not she did to Napoleon ?It was his (Mr. Cobdea's) .firm lost now that the feeling of
of this country piqued t e "We
W of the pease/kip of a sestet enclave. They all belief that we had entered ones a teak the is at the want of military
success, and the oreurrenee of some d•
knew of what wee abed a mode; of the supporters of the dreareeta the most difficult end arduous that a I do not think "dna
; but
noblelind Is t. Of that occasion, when the Wien Mr undertook, and that we should have to put lost,the d' that all the money we have
or wasters we have suffered,oill have been thrown
inshieleedi @MOW were about **able ea assaddentiai forth awn them twice the energies we bad
put forth, and sway, sh d
old pease be proclaimed to morrow- think
oda Not no repsiessweehes ee the "spore were seat MN thin twit* the Min we had sent. and speed MIS that Eb.ieud•eud H • he both ow. I -.._,
Shod asked if its waling that ea bather Ohm Woo Ike •°, we bad °Post fo of* year. before we tdo hope' th 'if usta vs bun taught lessons ; was
at, pests is restored, there will be
loss made by e Pesosh pigmares Mk elellilei in our object. Tun, ought not the Howe of in this n° offoloPO
to sue OM they were village to swept tend Osamu= to tell the people of this eoustry this fairly, and country, too suddenly, to reduce our naval or military
establishments. If you mean to defend Turkey, differest frees thew Wood by H. Dome Si Limy% =bib' either than °°°°°°°ll° their ozoirliorelsd snticipa- aside the hop or d- • ieb• bar...4mi
and that these bed bee, a ropoesi to seems to died en to tins ? What =lett the nest event be ? Suppose we got ,
when
su inua mg your naval and m tory purse,
peep *teeevoreawat. The noble lard refuted to answer asseasts frost the Crimea for whin we were not prepared ch a weak power calls, in its lest Woe.
of wort I
. mity, for the assistant* po ii auxiliaries, in
Sr eilbseels be was ranch pressed. He (11r. sooooloOf of the cholera bus pt UP" Cig lush •
No Sea to the length of•
time
she depends on tech Puppet aria