The Express.
London, England, 1863-04-25 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PAnIMIM'r,

BOMB OF LORDEL—FiuDAT, Anui. 24.
The LOAD Citattaleaka took bin seat es the weeleetk
M Ave o'clock.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
The Archbishop of YORK presented Gomel plities.
spinet the wale at ustoaitatin liquors on &Easy.
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY presseted ose apinst
the bill for prohibiting snob sale.
Loa LYTTELTON presented a paella= against the

Burial II&
AMERICA.—THE MAIL BAG QUESTION. •
Lord REDEEM! LE, referring to Mr. -Beward's letkir to
Earl Eamon, Malang that mail bap taco oat of
womb by Amadeu mailers should be takes to British
Peso* opened by them, sod anything coetrahand by them
delivered to the prim courts, raked whether the Foreign
Secretary agreed bthis doetatee?
Tire Earl of DEBBY waited to ask the sable WI if the
doctrine he Minded to lay down was really that, upoe the
septum of a vessel on suspicion, the sealed mail Inge
which she carried were to be handed over to the British
mogul, in order that he might search through the corm-
liked•lNO for the purpose of plowingovidseoe for the
movies of the United &arm I Be had certairily heard with
earpriee the noble earl express aa apprised soquisecelos in
1,_•• • doctrine on the pert al bar Majesty's goverarr eat.

Whom.)
Earl Itr&SF.LL wu aaderdead to say that he could oot
thee make say statetasat *a the subject bat us
Mooday
be would Odom tb. house what the °piston of the law

oaken of the mown wee.
A conversation followed, in which the Earl of num
wonocoo mak* Earl Rowell if the consuls ware to
ascertain the costenta of the letter ; whether they weer
MI open them, or to confine themselves to the superecrip-
too. Earl PaUsisiLL said be thought that they must amfiue
theories to the directions. The Earl of 11•Lfluisfleuf ob-
served that the matter had bare long enough before the
govenonest to 'sable them to come to a decision.
QUALIFICATION FOE OFFICES ABOLITION BILL.
Lord WODEHOUBE. is moving the mood nadir of
this bill, said the bill had been meet up to their lordships ao
is than five times. The object el the bell was to reader it
onneosseary to take the declaration which wee imposed by
the sold 9 Geo. IV., the 17, sad which wee se follows
" I solemnly mod smoer ly, and in the presence of God,
testify and declare, upon the true faith of a Chrirtion, that
I will never exercise any power, authority, or inflows
which Iwzzispireeem by virtue of the office of —, to in-
jure or the pronstast church as by law eutehlithed
ma Wand. or todiaturb the said church, ere the bishops and
of the maid church in the parsnips of any rights,
pei ,or immunities to which the said clergy or the
bishops may be by law entitled? Believing that the de-
Marriott was no real security to the church, and that
it tented to alienate • large clean of dissenters from the
ehooh, he trusted that their lordships would agree to the,
*mad reading of this bill.
The Earl of DERBY. in moving an amendment,
no
roof tacos who would sot hold for the continuos:off any
grievance of which any class of my fellow-subjects have a
right to complain. and I am not one of those who think that
the denial of their real rights to others is an additional
enmity for On church to which I bales& Mr my part
will sever allow the blie of the church. so bog se I can
help it, to he iatrineed upoo, but ou the other band, am
were ready to acknowledge the rights of others.
But is this case there is DO real tangible
grievance. There are roma at complaint made rent
grievance.• to political agitation. This bill has been meat up five
tires from the Hoar of Osaimeas, sad four thine it has
bra rejected, and on this occasion it has come up with the
very overwhelming and overpowering majority of three. I
say that your lordships selection to this bill would indi-
cate, what I hope is sot the spirit of this boor, • determi-
nation to go back from the prociples you have proforma,
sod would indicate the arena of aay determiestios ea
your part to oaten intact the rights, privilres, and
predominance of that church which is ea integral part of
iie British constitution. (Cheers.) I move that this bill
be Ter a sewed time this day six skollth&
Earl LX)WPER mid there war a growing teeing that the
church could age* to dispose with thie deolaraties.
As unman against the bill was that Greyer who took
ear wao not compelled to lake the oath, but that these
who treat we riemilsen had power really to injure the
emelt waned pees taking the deelaratioa, relying ups"
the Isdemary Act that wee annually pared. It wee ha-
peril& to beleve that in this marry • &Marano. bed
any art is sod* to the yto the March. Take
theirs of Iseind,where the iahed church was in •
mall minority. Beß raid disierelhod that there the de-
elaraties alight be owe* and have • besedial effect, but
the act under whir the deolusties was lama did sot apply
to Ireland. Me seppord that it the those of Englaied was
in ear • *oaths es it wan in Lea* thane would
rorbiy be little difficulty in impeding • declaration of this
(Hear, hear.)
Lord LYTFELTON Wooded to veto in fiver of the bill,
which spree* to Übe jer and Imemler.
End RUIISBLL mid—Behow row lerdehipe divide upon
this bill I drive be koala the with a few renearka
They will oereandy be held, Werth the grievance le • very
mall one, and the elasetion es the other ride is very
diminutive. (Bear, hear.) I thought that my soh* fried
who introduced the month fried it • matter it any greet
difficulty to make out any moieties Omar, end when the
noble earl opposite attempted to thaw that thndwarstien
gave say .scanty to the cherub, he found it a ireter
utter impossibility. No scanty is grim by thin dears-
ties. Thew it is rid list them woos one umgagia
rest, at the time el tie coped of the Corpora's end
Teat dor, by which I nod others who weeampoeithoi with
ens saw louse. I mend reseiheet thst there wee say web
esgegemect or compath I *tire, on the °angry, that
*err this set had kited a remidsralis Mrs •ih
was found to eye no sommaty to the established dm*,
aced to be perfectly moraine. I twasel 0111161•11 why par-
.• Omelet is bowed net to pert with that decieratiow. The
set by which dims*, were sailed open to take the seas- ,
meet wva oarearly •• very substantial gamma It was ob- 1
=tion two gonna Is the first Oro, it woe • pro-
e; a mace* rite; sad lathe wood, it was a hardship
to the dissector, with regard to whom it wee thought that
rave them wore debarred from entering office led they
led be required to take the sacrament according to the
rites of the church of England. Bet whoa the declaration
wee substituted for the sacramental test it was simply to
the effect that they were sot to use the influence of
Shale Aloe to the injury of the church of England. I con-
fees I am quite at a Ices to sailennaad in what meatier that
declaration an really he a security to the church. In the
first place, the terms are exceedingly difficult to define. A
sae is not debarred from being an enemy to the church of
England or from sing bar names, against that church.
But be was dithered treat timag the influence of his oßoe
*Moat the church. That was all the declaration required.
It than became • quarks is what way that should be
dared. A diameter might he elected lord mayor of Lee-
dom. Every one knew that the lord mayor exercised great
influence by victim et his dill on the election of number
op=ment. He might dealer hie wish to war into
• let to abolish the church outs, and if he need the
influence et his olio. to get into parliament, is he, or le
ha not, using the influence of his ogee to the injury elf the
established church! This difficulty might amour to him, sad
he might be reproached for so doing I know that wroth
attach importers to these are, and Shia there is row
this' in tinpeeleg es dimeentre tire dealeithicam
seem to *moo that theme are ale 01 exerdingly wreeg7:7-
name, and that thwdew they eight to he obliged to
pay some kind of penally is the Asps of the
isnowance of being celled upon to make • dee*
rear to which they objected. But that really ought
not to be a reason to Oilman **Amer • but parliament
ought to consider what I. redly for the bensdt of the Church
et England. (Beer, beer.) I thick the argument of my
noble friend who pompom! the bill, is ocieelasive en the
subject, that theater geirsothisg by those declaratior.
It is 'scared by the Act of Conformity and ether acts of
parliament, by its endowments. and, above all, by the
geonal another* of the people of England, sad it can
well afford to rest for in ponethence os each sonorities,
to which the declaration can sold nothing. It is gaits true
that I had no objection to the declaration whoa it was sub-
started for the sacramental net, bat I think the time has
one. whet the declaration awe also be • with.
The Earl of ELLENBOBOUGH said time had now
arrived when they moot adhere le what was reader*
monad policy 33 years ego, nod whether the decisional
gave rent security oe not, it was as indication of the maim
of jorliamseet with respect to the permanent rod inviolate
ansaaterain of the church of rained, and es such be would
itaPPfet its coatinusace.
Earl GRANVILLE amid—With loth' preamble of
the existing act, it did set is the alireed t touch the premien
bill, which merely soieght lonians a airs of person from
• grievance tom which they Se* whether rightly or wrongly.
they were now ertaL.l9 dthner might be the moult a
the motion before the , they would have the solialth
too of feeling that they had prepred a fair and just mea-
sure, which they did not believe would is the slightest de-
gree affect the security of the entabliehed church, (Neer)
Their lordships thee divided. The numbers were:

etratent;
32
Non-cement. 69-17
BUSINFI.4I OF THE HOUSE.
Lord SEDESDALE mend *Weis moieties. to the
effect that no private bill brought from the Hew of Coat-
wee should be mad a mooed tme after the Zed July seat ;
that no bill confirming any proviaimal order of the Baud of
Heath, or autlsorisier any utelosure of leads, ender special
of the helmets Commissioners, or tor ceefirmieg say
shams of the Charity Coreatiminners, should be read a
awed time atter the had July neat ; but that when a bill
should bare pamsd their lordWrie how, with amealetents,
them orders should sot apply to any new bill sent from the
other house which the r...orm of ccousiltees should report
was islatenlidly the saw as the bill so .minded.
NEW ZEALAND BOUNDARIES BILL.
This bill was rad a owed
OFFENCES (SOUTH AFRICA) BILL.
The Dyke of NEWCASTLE stared the weed reading of
ibis bin. The sable dab, Said OM by the Mt sod 7th
Will. IT., cep. 87, the immerser of the Caps was gives err-
tale power to dal with elhaese, but sew eideoiss hay*
Wes fanned, it blame weeessery I. extend that power le
Natal, so that Weems amid be tried Own s well set the
Owe of Owed Hops. The object of the priori* bill was to
rase that power.
The bill was mad a wool time.
LFASFAI AND SALES OF SETTLED MAT= BILL.
The above hill wee red a.s.si time.