The Express.
London, England, 1863-04-29 00:00:00

THE -EXPRESS, 'WEDNESDAY VVENING, APRIL 29, 1863.

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Lord PALYERSTON—There are the Warp which I
think it is desirable to avoid. if it is poseible to do et, and
one is, that this house should habitually interfere with the
detailed imisegerneet of the army, bemuse it is not a poet
of theemeltutimil famitions of the Moose el Comma
and step by step meat neturally lead to very objectionable
emits, (Cheers.) The other thing that I think it de-
sirable to avoid is that there should remain upon the public
mind any circumstance which gives rise to an opinion that
injustice has been does to any elm of dewy* public ear-
vents. (Herz, bear.) I will not enter into the details of
this question. I think what was stated by my noble (need
shows that when this matter was last looked into by a
committee of officers in 1861 the optima of the veer
yority of these akar% I believe with the single
exception of the hon. and pliant gentleman opposite, was,
that it was not desirable to disturb the arrangement as it
now stands. At the same time I can quite understand that
the parties concerned, and their numerous friends who are
interested in what concerns them in the posed imprethon
of the distinguished aervim those officers have rendered,
may leave not only upon the minds of members of this
house, bet upon the mind of the public at imprea
Me that there has been some wrong unine• pally com-
mitted which may admit of remedy. (Hear, hear.) The
course which I venture to propose to the boo, and pliant
gentlestaa opposite would, in my opiniee, meet both these
obis:Mee I would propose to him to withdraw his motion,
and thereby to avoid committing the house to an Wieder-
sum in thedeWled military administration of the army, and
if that wen dose I would engage on the part
of her Majesty's go meet that • cornmeal=
shall be armed. (Laghteeand cheers.) I trust that coma-
Minion would thew that her Majesty's government have
no desire to avoid ingwity, that they have no wish to resist
say suggestion which is founded ape • some of injustice
whether nghtly or wrongly felt, and whatever the =mar
sioa may think fit to reoommod will probably be founded
on the best view of the merits of the me as
tree officers on the one hand, and the orevespoodrag=
of other officers upon the other hand. (Hear, her.)
Mr. DLSRA.ELI said if he anderneod the noble Iced, the
Torre of his hoa and gallant friend was in entrance or-
ceded. He was sure that that motion was recommended
to the consideration el parliament by a cheer mind* el
justice, sod ornunded the sympathies of hoth- Ides of
the home, irrespective of any party °emanation. (Hear.
hear.) But he should sot have risen had it sot appeared
to him that the advise given by the noble Iced might really
plans in an inconvenient and almost a ridiculous position
the house, and, to a certain extent, eves the government
itself. The principle the noble lord had refined to the
emithitiatioaal practice entirely recognised—thet ii win sot
the place of milkman, and especially 0i • angle boa" of
parliament, to interfere with the government an army—
was one which he wee mire no one would dignin Bet the
noble lord did not la dowry he was swath a oonetitotheal
principle that t, and especially the Home of
Commons, who were esllad epos every year to wander the
army estimate' and to vote large sums for the army,
acting in an unconstiliatierl way in earring i was
is opinion
upon any point courted with the management
and organisation of the army. The constitutional
pranks of the bore had provided that this
vilege of parliament should be errand wither
doe Memo* to sad adosowledgmeat of the pre-
rogative of the crows. How had it mode the tery
wrens ?If it was the opinionof the hoer that sere
unaware; with repeat to the mansgemer al the airy
wss nem, it weld not and did not perms to aces fro
say dories renolutioe to that effect, bet humbly sad
cordite y epproactied the throes in a eorillationsl
101111114 with a respectful and loyal abbess, maybe her
Majeety to exercise her prerogative sad take tree=
which right bring about the result the here d
(Bear, bear.) There was nothing unoiredintiesal in per
pries to address the crown upon a subject amnesia with
!winery affain, requesting her Ilajeety to interfere to bring
✓oot that which parliament thought a landau
objecd. But it was not marlitelicar, whoa the
Noose of Commons were semisolids speed that
grievance existed in the tnansgenient of the army which led
not bean redressed, bat which ought to he netransd, for
the chief adviser of the crown to snorer that the beers
having no power of redressing the 10••11001, it was sassarry
that then should be some sear undinureding, nesithe go-

mama most to same step behind the genii to eseiM•
plink that redraws whisk the house had acknowledged would
be absolutely wooserry. (Cheen.)
General LINDSAY thought that aa be proposed to &d-
-ans' the crown, the legitimate authority bait which ell
command of the army sprung, he was edam In a most
coastitutional form. With regard to the ohs of the labia
lord, be bed eat opposite to the noble lend for 17 yearn, and
bad serer men anything in his mediaet that would
warrant him in not accepting soy pledge be pre. Upon
the faith of the promise that the noble keg would Epos
lie town authority appoint a annunierkm, be shookl be
happy to withdraw his motion.
The =Sae was withdraws.
CIA2iADA AND NEW ZEALAND (MILITARY
).

Mr. A. MILLS raw to can Mastics to the merespia
ellloll which bad recently beat had betas ped
eiarament be-
tw
Oesam e. bar Maj New ambledesty's pleremm
reepectivelyent aad the, Gevereree
iseed a emtis
military esteem of them miens, Ned to mate as t
for copy of ail avannunicatiene which have pared awe
the ommeneetneet of the year 1802 between the Notary
el State for the Ordesies and the espreesentime el the
crown in the British depeadeseim respecting the mode
and eon of their military defines. With respect to New
Zealand, the argument which was coestantly urged was this,
that it was impossible for imperial Embed to have
her coksists IS Oen battles with imam mar, which as.
lead be their extennbatien. This was the ergement used
by three who advoested the emeemsion of representative
institutions to the eoloaletn. Now if the celestite of New
Zealand were capable of managing their own affairs ty
were also able to manage their affairs In dealing with
savage tribes. And if such a policy was ineagarated he
believed there would to fewer ware, for the celeakon would
661 with more circuit:species whoa were aware that
they would not be supported by lend 5 the adop-
tion of an unrighteous wows. It must be, mei-
lead in dealing with this subject that the whole
coarse of their colonial policy was chemed ; and that
sslf.defeoos was a necessary adjunct of opea-government.
He treated we sheen' see the day when, by a prudent but
resolute policy, we might teeth those commuting that if
they wished is pastkipate is the privileges of freedom. they
mast beer their own balsas and reepomthilitint. (Hear.)
Yr. WILLIAMS mended the motion. The facts brought
balm the home were most important. and he should like to
be infremed by the hoe. gentleman the Under Secretary for
the Colmar what were the advantages to be derived him
thews two demedamies. At the present time we emeeded
about four miller and a quarter every year for the protec-
tion of the tokens. Be thought if the question were fairly
looted in, the government might my. at least a million
sterling to the Univers a thin ormatay.
Mr. C. FORTZSCITE said the Canadian government had
shown a very Maihmesta semi ot their duty in reference to
the military defense of the province. Still we must not
underrate the sadism they had made, and what they were
in proem of reseteplishing. The volunteer system was
carried on with meek spirit and activity. At the
beginning of the year there were 25,000 volunteers
in traimeg, and the number was still ineressieg,
whilst suocesdul attempts had bees made to render
the rural militia dl for serene in came of emargeacy.
It should be boron in mind, however, that the menu of
Canada was our mealy, and that war with Maeda meat
war with England. If. then, no imperial military fame
was supplied to her, it would appear as if we
replanted the Obligation that rested upon no to
defend every portion of the empire. At the same time
it did not follow that we could comsat to maintain an
unlimited number of troop; at our own met in liana war,
much less in peace ; consequently the dames of Canadian
territory mud mainly depend upoa the Camedies them-
selves. With regard to New Zealand, it was a email case
that did not arise out of the general question of the mili-
tary coat of the colonies. There the danger was not feces
without but from within, and noes out of minnow betimes
the senders and the natives. The govaremeat bad keg felt
their obligatioes to the native race, and were not yet pre-
pared to repudiate the measure of responsibility which
rested upon them to save both races from an internecine
war, and by the exercise of tho imperial power to carry them
through the present ern°.
Mr. A YTOUN criticised the coloaisl policy of the
grownmeeet with as.. severity and declared that, if pm-
tinted is, it must inevitably lead, to the name of Canby to
imperil the couoasion with the mother country.
Its A DDERLEY took a different vim of the policy of
the govern meat ea disclosed in the papers. That volley was
founded upon the principle that the right of self .governmeat
involved the duty of alf.dsfente, the term being correlative.
The arguments of the Canadian government in opposition to
Ole policy, be maintained, were based epee dallaeia Thu
parliament of Canada 'debt involve this country Ia •
war as wall aa the parliament of Isiglaed involve Canada
in a war. The opposition of the New Zealand government
was founded upon a imam fallacy, claiming, although is
the enjoy mect of colophon self ioverameet, to threw the
lemithe of the dames of the colem upon the mother ems-
bit He hoped the home would support the government
to their present policy.
Mr. BUXTON considered that it would be better for the
mthebe themselves that the duty of self-defence should not
betas. of their hands.
Bk. KILLS withdrew his motion.
NAVY.—IRON-CLAD SHUR.
lir J. ILPIILNSTON Z thee rem to move that ea adders
abseil beffilled le her Malay, that site woad be
u
Mappaint a royal °maim's. esseether
itrAr.6 imeseasee and form of irmalad ships
which were te issEe the future awry ofg, nid to
report upon the at preeent built cad the
amain of deal Meta ammentedation tee their
are at home and thread. The hen. Ites meet mid that
his nip* there bad Mee three reconalmniees of the
limy, wish had east large sums of marl to this senedep.
The whole of the respeaubility of theme mernomi
mathreire open se cake which, lay the 161.1111111611=
mint cad at the heed of it, cos tee bead Marked at the
present time. He da. of believe that any man of ban-
ner lea that beim but woad say that no man in the Ad-
miralty Meld de liaise to the amount of week which ma
ends. hls onalrek sail be (Mr J. Endemism, ea* ease
the home to et them to Pear all thessment '
be ',meant dab men, who weak' relieve ltd
sedate° advise the baud epee the
been Wore the coaster ter the last few
ships, MO feet la beg* were nip* Mat time searte, and

those mote of 90 gun ships. We had gate of rom mie
point to soother until we bad got our ships to stab as
eoormous and newish' sire, that be felt sonde • royal
commission would them, whilst the 111•11reemaiaid
at their present Mature, that was, about 5 fest 5 hearse, ca
6 feet 6 umber. How was it passible for met of this height
to furl sails on these esormous yards! The weight and
clumsineu of the rigging rendered it raraceslide imam any
circumstaness. These ships ought to be meted with four
meats proportioned to the size of the mesa who handled
them. The other dames of ships were snore menegrabie,
bat still it wee not dear that they were not too hip also.
Lord R. MONTAG U moved as au enisadareat, that to
provide for the soriemnioal construetioa of ships for the
royal navy of the most suitable materials the Admiralty
shouldln empowered by parliament to intrados, into the
public service a elms of meow solid in educatios sad posi-
tion to the military cadets at Woolwich, who may ulti-
mately fulsl the duties of royal naval architect..
Mr. LINDSAY, while desiring to see some kind of COM.
oil to &ivies the Admiralty in the oonstractiou of the navy,
yet thought that the object would not be attained either by
the motion or amendment, and advised their withdniwaL
Lord C. PAGET poiated out that now the Admiralty
had competent dramas in the Comptroller of the Navy,
with his staff of amistants, • royal oecondesien wee any-
thin bat adapted to he the regular and permansat *Aries,
of the description sought to be established. He described a
arise of experiments in iron ship building, which the
Admiralty were carrying out.
The amendment ad motion were withdraws.
Kr. K: SOS ALER mowed that the analysis of *widows
7taorto the report of the select committee on sewage
iads to eseelom 1863 be candled. It was prepared by
the chairman (Dr. Brady) and was partial end orreaide&
The motion having bear agreed to, the other badness was
gore through, and the house adjourned at fin minerals before
2 o'clock.

'Monad Jot inooon, Haltard-bridos. Warwickshire, groosr—lat
dividend of n& Md., any Toisday, at Whitmore's,
Mumma n teni Ooemon, itearrek-smon-frost, et=
bit dividend of ft. ad., May a, and thews subsequent Mondays,
at Harris's. Nottingbant.
Moans Wank yaa.. Laineatar, Umber marshant—Lt dividend
of M. ed., May and throe aninamiset Mondays, at Mann%
ottiaghlea.
WILLIAM intit, Milton Mowbray, Yelosateesidos, tsflor—divi-
dand of 4L, any day, at Oldham's, Mateo Mowbray.

May 11. R. J. Tem, Lydd, Lena and Idea, Bra. forme—
May U. W. Bale, Mfteotreet, and the Grown Omit nobld-
greet, Southwark, cern:an—May SS. W. M. seOenoe-
hassayard, City, wine merchant—May 16. H. R. Baker, Kidder-
minster, farmer—Mg IL J. 'mildew, Birmingham, beekir—May
IL T. G. Mammon Mtlford Haven, grooer —May 14. 11. Bitching.
lun. I Brisk 4 seenismst—May 7. I Polled, Bristol, miler—llm
IL I. Bans& Mandeeder, Huddersfield, and Linde wake, York.
*bre, esureilliett most—May S. J. B. Powell, Wecluesberg.
Ilmateieldre, lensed victualler—May I. T. Bolt, Jun ,
Beeleshillee. Baal deeler—May & & Nickles, Gold Batton.
Illeepeldra Magemelem—May 18 J. Tyacke, Chacewater, Corn-
wall, simeloner—May It O. Howarth, Batton, lancoshim awn'
beeper—May 1t .1. Gorton, Little Halton, Lancashire, painter—
May 11. J. Berman, Boutin:viols, tallor—May EL J. D. Ayres
ra2meat.), Nottingtuun and New York, inenhame—MaY
.14 Beale, Grayotreet, Poplar, iron founder, and Surrey-
skeet, Shand, navy agent—June S. O. C. Bingham, Nottingham,
boat manebetarer.
CIRTMCATE to be granted, saw came be shown to the
eontrary en or Wore the iso of meeting.
May EL L Cland,ell and 11.1. Toad, Oreamtrich-street, Upper.
Thameeetreet, and Moe-lane, City. gweelmata
PARTNIESHIPS DIOSOLYID.
J. 8. Canby and B. J. Reed, iMpolemepotoliall, ship
chandlos—J. Barlow and W. Jenßaii.Manebeisier. cotton nage
dealers—K Homily and J. BUIL miteeme—J. Bra= and
A. W. Evans, MahanA. Auckland. //holsla—W. Bart
sad R. Tale, Newoutleupog.Tyna, weanlL 'Pas and &
Sparkman, Birmingham laaannakials-.T-. Pal end J. Tutor,
Mart beater and Sores o' Hans, leastnaMe.„..ll24llo_!r°,,..-
Okell and R. 8. Jactoos, Live=ydzionsZtbaskrba Innme me
Barker, Upper Charitonet, imemn.
tecturers—J. Cooper and T. Pam,
Carter. R. Carter, and D. Carter, t.H. en, c=27 et 4
looms cloth manufacturers—C. B. Beekwßb sod W.Ankle, ldred
Omen, Yorkshire, irenmongeni—M. flooß sod j. ansaa. 'Pr"'
ford, Yorkshire, wonted nualidavealars—J. V. lONmg mid L
H. Stanley, Manchester—C. amd T. Cbmtion. ima,
land, general 'hip chandlen—T.Y. Taylor Plums, J.dhaeldekm, and m
J.
Naylor, Keighley, Yorkshire, common brewers-4. Chaddey and
O. Isaacson. Amenham Bucks, attorneys—T. L. health and T.
IMO. Pala, Alpha-place, Old Lent-road. cherniant—J. Ueda and
Bermand, aseepside City, aceountante-4. Brook and C.
Beatable. jun., HuddereSeld, bookaelkre —C. /haw and O. B.
Fitaaiatt. Manchester. Masora—D. Attester and R. Abendroth,
Glasgow, merchants—T. Richardson, D. Richardson, R.
J. Bowe, and B. J. Id Edinburgh WrioNmerchants.
SCOTCH vo•s.
Pam= TortiM, Gleagow, . May 4, at the )acuity
Obagew.
Jana Esitheartfibire, corn roseettant, May 4, at the
Solicdtare
DOVGALD USTI; , oonfectioner, May 1, at the lacolfq
Clflinni=ioellne, Glasgow, saddler, May 1, at the Escult7
Olemow.
AiDlaff I TAGGART, Carnocidie, potato merchant, May 8, at the
Royal Hotel, Dundee.
/OM! HARDIN. Laarlatton, near TaDdrk, tams; May 7, at
the Crown Inn, Yalldrk.
301171 CoLvtg Bolywood, DurefrialmMte, tattler. My 4 at
the Commercial Hotel, Dumfries.
Damn Bouts= and AIRIANDIR AIRIANDIU4 DOWD Qtkarr7,
sea- Peeper, guarder', May 2, at the County and Commercial
Rohl, Tartar.
ALIXABDRIL SUM Invernem bake.. May S at the Alden Hotel.
Inverness.
Wanda KAosagooft, Inverark;Agipm. May 1, at the County
and Commercial BMA, Iterate.