The Express.
London, England, 1852-05-22 00:00:00

'RE EXPRESS. SATVEDAY ING, • MAY 22. 4452.

lied. The bra gentiemen meek did set mean to my that
his eltheasties w tat far the aide group of the Aus-
tralis minion He (Mr. Addedey) sadustoed at the time
that it wee to be only a eat of model sesititake.
The semitiesassf the hes. Wesel wee • smeadien for
a eis.le easy. sod think* k well net he eesesed as a
new Ica a essetitelies while bed to be made applied& to
• et edesien dot preetleally there was bet •
beans the yeepseals of the ha. Weer
the be Oh bell. The has. bream was urging his
to dlo Potholpio a dinill is Os ha of the lest
despata a Governor trey eat(
had jot bine laid os
the talk), which w.s ghee* in faker a heel indite.
dom. ead which bend the aserity for heel legislatures
upon the physiral peculiarities a the aion. But, after
all, whet al the heassrable hammet himself pagger T A
desk esesseive sad legitimism he the aide groin),
hat she sealant pevernmesle in the area heaths to
eany amt aleph amaidpal hmetiem Theme wee, then, Ia
reality sod peendeally but • samara Mar ire! phaar is
the sheers of the hes. baronet and
y. apain thet
eight bon. the
Caudal Ibrease ese Owe was a de-
cided duress; and this be Mr. Adilmbey) bad en
the hear enema p seenemtly on the attention of
the right ben. gentlemaa (Sir J. Paitiagton), and, indeed,
he still hoped that the right hoe. gentleman would consent
to the attendee reesesseaded. The power of concurrent
leghiedis in the had aid Is the astral bodies was un-
denbeedy a Mash h the be. ilea • provision could only
lead to confusion ; and it would be kipeseible for such a
system to work without perpetual eneellonionn, only
to he consieded by the ems body over-riding
the ether. Tamp we no tease. whatever why there should
not be in this had ea nut sad precise definition of the
=apses whisk I* would be open to the local bodies to
spa ; sad this the measure, identical, except in
asks, with the mama dashed by the boa. baronet the
.caber for Southemelk_ , weak sear all the benefits sought
by the toloants themadre, and advocated by those whom
he seta cell theopreemailives of the colonies in that
hems. Ia the memo a same hear remarks Mr. Adderly
obsoned that leaks Lomas kande had taken the same
view as Sir W. lgelesworth ; bet papers connected with
the coloay had esergeled this bill as • grist boon. The colo-
nists were the beet yefiges of the question, and he read
evidence to sheer theit the heal governments would be
popular in the easy.
Mr V. SMITH bad ventured, when the bill was last be-
fore the home, tosuggest to the right hon. gentleman (Sir
J. Pekington), while (idly acknowledging the ability be
had shown in mastering the subject, the expediency of not
pressing such a measure in the present parliament. Oa
that occasion the hon. baronet the member for Southwark
had denounced him (Mr. Smith) as • person indifferent
to the feelings of the solos • bet, now, the
honourable bargee, had a emir immolate', round
to his views in to this bill; sad while he (Mr.
Smith) quits in every ad of the speech, that even-
ing, of the boa. bereset, be eseteisly did think that the
consistent coadasios weal lave bees • motion to read the
bill a second time that day six months. There were no
good reasons for proceeding with such an important bill
which it was impossible the house, under present circum-
stances, could adequately discuss ; while there were lain
merable reasons for giving it up until next session. This
was • bill which included every great question of colonial
government, each one of which questions was en-
titled to deliberate discussion. 'f he thirteen ex-
emptions specified by the bill constituted one MN
of difficulties. On these grounds—that the bill, if per-
severed in, could only be pseud in an imperfect
state, and at a far greater evil than delay wee a
legislation in regard to the colonies which required
subsequent consideration and amendment—he hoped
that tee Secretary fur the Colonies would be esoteat
with having declared his own views, and with having
elicited the feelings of the Doane, and that he would
withdraw the bill for the pigeon session.
Mr. E. DENISON did not think that the several
expressed were so essentially different and •ppseed es to
forbid the hope of a satisfactory conclusion of fileiseedia.
The fault which he found was less to the quaky dna he
the quantity of the ha' ; and all he compleined of was
that they were proposing to overlay with legislation •
young and nut a very well settled esmosaity. It
would be impassible to allow this bill to per within& Jaye,-
tigating the details very closely.
Mr. J. A.I3M ITH supported the second maks adds bill.
With reference to the body with whom he bal bees so long
connected, the New Zealand Coinpany, he aimed for them
the merit of having obtained thaw khan he the British
crown ; and, thouth there might have boas meats of Judg-
ment, they had acted in a way bem sakelated he ormelliate
tee natives. Their transactions bed bees examined over
and over again by that house, and neatly a strict autho-
rity had been placed over them. Be arid not consent,
therefore, that the interests of the seaspany should be ig-
nored at • moment when the colony was about to receive
the benefits of self-government. He did not believe that
the house would perpetrate such a flagrant wrong as to take
away the security possessed by that company.
Mr F. PEEL said there were many parte of the bill of which
be disapproved, but he would reserve his remarks on those
for the committee. The observations of the hen.
baronet (Sir W. Molesworth) went far to dew
that self-government, in its application to • new missy,
was not an unmixed and unalloyed bees. Ia may
infant colony but thinly inhabited, whisk hadsal
persons powered of selliciant wealth mid lelme
devote their time te the pebble inemeste.
ence showed that what was intended to be a
representation of these esionies dwindled into • very loaf
repreeentation—a repreeeneelise of that pariahslsmlity
which was made the silaagewerameat ; the representative
assembly came to be sempseed era* of these mesas
whose occupatiose er Nees at karst enabled them be re
side at the pier where the mossentative assembly kid its
sittings ; and Noe the lamer, a that particular apes were
consulted, to the airiest or disregard of more resale put
of the country. Whet was the kinetic*? If they ialluded
to give oelf t, and to make it • reality, sad set •
nominal se -goverment, they mar make it a heal self-
government. Hens the necessity of sating_ up those
Wends of New Zeshed whirls were only or 900 miles
in length, asil la is Mandeb. late ma argrepties of small
and asperses trainees. sad Sing to ash
a a theme settle-
meats, iadpiasamt theeigh might is ambers sad
is wed* eel the realksey the ambersome sad sow
-
IteTile siesika Of a parte end self-rasa bod.
lsatabill reseeded me the s seeraaph*, sesemmodstiss—aoy
ememodationtothe hres of eirenademees is New Meshed.
And it wee their pea ie ahead mire le the swaths and
almenmeleires et ter etheme 'Ma they kgbiated. than
to any sa say speculative sedans of greernmest wire
might be eatertained is this country. The gees-
eel Nam at this bill was entitled to the seaport
of the kemq mid wee well adapted to the require-
mar of emir* In New Zealand. (Hear, bier.)
It led been said Oat by eembinieg dm, two kinds of seen.
oil it add_ she rise to a medley a legislation ahead ridi-
aka WA. without question. dims art be • genre
Mika= he the whets alike Naha& and that general
emesaidynsigzht to has lain*, Arianism air time nib-
le k sad ememeralled is the bill. No ins add
=it Os perkily ef Owe traft uniformity of legislation on
enehrakele es the enetesid leelf,the currency, the law
of repay, and rights of est hied. (Hear.) Without •
Chard hanite, hathig amelegive Addled= our these
points, they woad have • arm a ad MOM= detlee in
on. partiarattrzide dada, in umiak ; oais rate of
Nee ; here • Mehllic currency,
=piper ; her the law of raimegesitsre is the
deratiefeed popery, there eqvaldivielaw all the
&Men ; is err allarre psaithed by peak
amt,, is esedese Ise mid hogelemeast hear.)
0-aid there he emy data es to ',bother it was prop., that
the. seldeeh sheets be seemed he the eddie eesside-
ration of the Gland Assembly. He hoped the time would
come when all the settlements would be merged into one,
earl New Zealand would Arm a essfediested misty. He
therefore thought that these
as might to be kneeled is the
es there was, • pear
cilauncrigth a esscsr.
rest *halides; to the •
eral in heal
eseselh. There could be as conflict bermes die asecils
as the asst ameiably ask override the had esessile.
Let such a pewee be ghee to the gamed smamidy, ea if it
felt Itself nempeleell Min legfelats he the heel eireirements
of each settionemt. It mold not be debarred MIK doing so
by this ast. end 14 es the oestrary, it was found that them
was • tentleeny be ilesestraliaation and a leadisation of
government. it weal abstain from exercising Its powers,
and the heal esnaide would brass what he (Mr. Peel)
hoped they would act beseme, the peneemest heart of the
political system of New Ilieelari.
Mr. GLADSTONE said that he amid net per by an
mession of this kind, whea they were dealing with
the question of giving a esnetitetion to a re-
treats saw. without reed lag attends. he the hies
peddes is adsh they stood with aped to the geamessat
of
thet elms at colonies. He am set aware that eaq Bri-
dals Nifty bed arrived at • jua and what he add mil a
ratio between the Weq and the mar ma-
tey. , hoar.) What was required to be hammed
es
the aim& of the park of this country wee that, In the
flesolaties at • sehoy mesa free and glassed, not
elapses' eilesies, sad seal se were dssts~ by any
qualms shies hem Oakum of race)—that in founding
sea sania dry bed cried as
that,telpiril funds-
efabia act
llAimentwillarsi• peseirefe give themw °slowly
free eirataima there had been ao
a debt yekelpies. bet medibmans el sad re=lia
wsi(Her,
si bees.) The sight parish was that while
wee by esr misers em years ago,whe when they
Ad me a saw did net ear with an admire to the
hone sail sal Ike ems thinned* at pestle a, year for a
gamer, end a thief brae. mad • 'dead essistary, and
IN WlN=i 11011•11.- Mom, be r.) They collected a
hay a hoe lees who were ready *heal a free state ease
levies le es ass—pear, hear)—ead whisk, enjoying our
freedom. Anil kappa cur nee, cur hagsucle4eb:.-
siltation ad) magies. is • Aka
(Hear, bear.) It wee mei es their hems britaders that
dry lased fee sweet. Th wee the they
abased with • aridity, thandram= of
the lime, little lees ant the
to us had bees that awry
sergee=sof any aeries being made fens thole Impart,
ba es
boles the eentsary, they sew rely amid Oh sonatry
ia her heap wars, asdierreal mimosa sad service
usepe alse sent oat to reams the *sties of
and foram the peace, Peel wee their estimative orhliel.r
trades& that they not only did met ask this country to find
them nes end swan eamprmise to keep the peace for
them. but hap held it se • gebersee that she intruded on
them bar Itch essediag mdse. and declared that they
were sapid, of defending themselves. (Hear, hear.) De-
con=but Nat principle we had implanted inn, our
system • principle of comparative feebleness and
=es esmelvee enormous expanses, while by with-
from them the Minus of political
freedom, we bad deprived them of the best in.
deotaseat they cook bold est to oar population to

entlgrete. flaglinmea were not desirous of emigrati mild
ea whisk was ruled by a power which, howeve
Mee yet a delpetisea. (Hear, hear.) Such a system was
regiodeil by Beglignes• as 024:0010US sad irrateasel, and
theuelnee isne that we could not get a superior class
matey to deatgrate to OUT coles. (Hear, bear.)
'hey had been Mumma to leave then free sheets of Rag-
lan le teem sot only the arellaary !muds of coleolsation,
but the metals deprivation a their political liberties. In-
stead of carrying their adithal liberties from England,
they west forth to New Zielaud or Now South Wales to he
deprived of them; eadainehaps, after a lops of twenty or
thirty mom a meths these polcal HOW were given
' to them, ameenolltd rh• laadg=at
which was coed when they ware byliagE
went—ad then they had to hem the Jurgen stow
so same. ahead trololag them sad them to receive
• hoe eenetitellem (Hoar, hum.) Let earry their
heeds. with them as they would their egrlealtural
instrummen, sad thee was the saint of eNeaiai sear.
He had mid that he did not rest his opinias ea the specu-
lation of philesephme dad seemaisu, hat me fiats. The
&Mem wide mossy pat ea the convictions was the sys-
tent at whisk Me soloniastie• of North Amities was sea-
Meted, the wiling which Mr. Burke stedieds sad
esetniesed, sad mat rehended from the top to the Whom,
sad whisk be daerib.d is his epoch to Animism tam-
don, who be Mooned perlimat whist the essemmences
of atainhing ma alministretive power over ihrfr ado-
also, mileardag from them a admiral& prialoilirl
Med% hiseeed of which the policy of neweed ought to
be the sweldpaleation of her race in order that they might
propagate her Institutions, and whatever tended to the
rapid population of the colonies would react with
benefit ma the seam country. That system had
reached its edema se an early period. In 1662 the
charter of Rhode Island was granted. But it was now
considered sot safe to allow the colonies to pus
en met relating to any local purpose unless it was
till it warmitted to England, where it re-
= re
whips, for two years before it was returned, so
that three years were interposed between the colonies and
decisions in their local matters and the knowledge as to
whether their acts were to take effect or not. That was
the system under which they lived. What would be their
feelings if they were to pass acts on subjects which they
understood, not imperial subjects, but such u as act re-
lating to the Great Western Railway, and they were to be
minded to the other end of the world and kept in an office
and ansldered or not considered, as the ease might be—
(hear, hear)—for two yam? (Hear, hear.) Yet that
was the system that was adopted towards our
colonies. The old idea of a colony was that it was in the
nature of a municipality or a corporation. In this country
corporations were placed under the control of the law of the
land, but they had the liberty of local regulation. The
bye-laws of the corporation of Liverpool, or any other great
town, were not sent to the Home Secretary to be considered
for two years. (Hear, hear.) Now these municipalities as
they existed in the:ancient times, were well defined ; they
were subject to the general restraint of the laws of Eng-
land, but in every other respectehey were almost absolutely
sad entirely free. (Hear, hear.) The degenerate and de-
grading practice of retaining the substance, and still more,
the principle, of colonial patronage, was totally unknown
dusrai7 the old colonial system. The old colonists pee.-
ietthe soil; they administered their own polio,;
they bad to defend their own frontiers ; they
were the hearers of their own charges, the electors of
their own oflicemand the Innen of their own laws. (Hear,
bear.) Now they had reversed in the last 70 years every
me el these salutary principles. (Hear, hear.) We re-
tained the fee-simple of the co'cnial land. (Hear, hear.)
The mbehts were not fit in our superior judgment to me-
ans their ma stain, and hence those magnificent sums
appeared in the estimates, becamse we provided that they
were set to beer their own expenses. Instead of allowing
them to eassider the measures which they thought to be
the beet adulated to adopt in reference to the aboriginal
inhabitants, we said, oh, that is a matter for
the impala midmost. And a minister sitting in
Dnalaintailleat mot Mamie, bow the localities
between the aborigines sad the Monk* are to be settled.
(" Hear, hoar," and laughter.) The idea of allowing them
to elect their own Moen ! That would be extremely revo-
lutionary.' it woad set destroy the royal supremacy it
would, at all events,be • diesembeemeat of the empire.
As to allowing them to make their own laws the notion is
so dreadful, u opposed ft an ideas of right and truth, that
no person could fat a ammeat
_gravely think of proposing
such a thing. (Hen beer.) They had thus reversed the
five great' principles al the easiest system of
time, dad they hod maned the bream
looked upon thole .seeks es stakes. (Hear, hear.
If they looked epee them as municipalities founded in the
shadow end node of their own imperial power ; if they only
homed •• them necessary restrarnts and left them free in
every Mier respect, then they would not only have saved
emelt= minims to the exchequer of this country, but
they Wend have prodused a erases which would have been
mess meth, of themeelves, because no one could read the
history e the great American revolution without seeing
that yen mimeo then reared men of such a mental stature
mil isomer es eatirely tranwencicd those whoa the colonies
eg the pmeme day piedmid. (Hear, hear.) Hs would read
to the hems • portion of the charter to abode Island
which wouldibew that what he had stated wee en exagge-
rated, but the plain end simple truth. TM ellealer created
the omeniste al that island Ma • belly eseperoM sod poli-
tic; it poes body of embeente ad hoe men, in
aaticipation of the fahMtente hoseashe numems • ieyave
them the power of destiny their own Mime and repre-
sentatives. The system which your anesseen thus founded
two centuries ago bad borne the strain of the American
Revolution; and at the present moment, in every state of
that wonderful country, it wan the form and model if
government from one end of it to the other. For a colony
to elect its own government now ! That would be shock-
ing indeed. But this
.power was conceded to Rhode Island
is 1662, when he would not say the warmth, but the fever
of royalty wes at its height in this country. (Hear, bear.)
Yet it was at that period that they were desired to elect
their own government. They were allowed to maks their
own laws, subject to no other restraint except that, as ear
as circumstances would admit, they were not to be con-
trary to the laws of Elegised. They could appoint their
own MMus, constitute their own courts of justice, embody
their own forces for their own defence, and appoint
their own commanders over those forces. They were the
owners of their own soil, and the bearers of their own
charges. (Hear, bear.) He might be inked what security
there wee fee the good behaviour of the colonists in
this me. (Mae, hem) It was, he could not
say the Ease mhos, but it WAS as perfect as
any whisk had been recently invented, for in case of the
colonials Melba auy prime or power in alliance with the
crown of liagbatl, they wore to make Miami's to the
(rown, " or put Mtn of far InaIOWIND end pretastion."
(Hear, beer.) Two hundred yam mused greet amps
is the circumstances of mankind, and thew\ be did not
say that is away particular this system eight tele imitated,
yet when he regarded the acts which hod hem passed of
late yeas, hir tie felonies, the million* whisk had been
spent sad the disoutent which had Mesa, sad minted
that 200 yeses ego • system had Menseaceived in which the
spirit awl ceameterisdes erne maw country were main-
tained, theyesuld not draw the:mama without bringing a
blush es their flees. (Hear.) He would now proceed to
disease the bill, which he would de in a spirit of fairness.
He looked um the bill as upon the whole creditable to her
Majesty's government—(hear,
_lteer)—not becaure it went
back to the ming system of Riede Island, but because it
indicated a real ineation to approMmate to that system,
and because he thought it comeisel a larger measure of
freedom than was given to ea af their asionies, if he ex-
cepted one. This was the merit of the bill.
(Hear, hear.) He wee emy M soy be he not agree with
his ben. fined the seater lir Ihotkwark, with when be
generally semaineed Am quedisas, when he said
that the hid sommieed too meek the pekedple
of Mal seelismente, sal ON he we diploma to
leave it in the Mode of the astral legielshiro to determine
the amount of authority to be given M the local kgisla-
tures. He (Mr. Gladstone) regarded the recognition of
local settlaseats es en of the greatest merits of the bill.
(Hear, bear.) On One obsemteektho of their recent
legislation was that it wee, Ise eminent degree, arbitrary.
(Hear, hear.) We dam the line fee ourselves', instead of
following the line that nature and nesesaty drew for them.
(Hear, hear.) It wee • mistake tommee that it required
10,000 or 20,000 pumas to smastbste p pelitkal society.
That was a great mbealte—a mime error—and no
better. (Hoer, Moe.) • pellikal moiety was
formed by • mom= approsimetion, amnia pursuits,
common releases in a great degree, amnia Ideas in a
crdegree, ammo iadraetry, sad messes trade.
elt
eeematituted • social Mem, if he might so speak.
(Hear, MO The right hon. gentlemen departed from
modern emeditiou hp granting a large share of power to
(Heer, beer.) Their forefathers in like man-
ner, emoted *fp powers to small bodies of men,
beam time hefts so constituted contained a great
power of , ea the morn contained the germ of
the oak. rs.) And when they considered how well
that mem worked in North America, and that the
Meacham Haim was dependent on the local principle,
as asthma hole the central principle, this recognition of
smell emennadties which were to have • substantive exist-
mei of their own, whilst they WON to be united for certain
onew of the fundamental merits of the bill,
=sir, ;as
ant in which it permed a real advantage over
ken mesures la Mania legislation. (Hear, bear.)
AAllttlh to the allallialli of laws, the right hon. gen-
dananiVintroduold them* ethos edge, but he must
confess it wall the my Mk end of it. The right hon.
gentlemmfor the lind ems, did not require measures passed
fa the enemy le be net here. All that was necessary was
to subunit Meen te the Governor of New Zealand.
And it wiled depend men him whether the colonial go-
vernment in Domingotreet was to know anything of
them. (Been hear.) Amber meets of the bill was that
the right lea. genelemen lad the amp to throw over.
board another maim superstition—Wt me to say, the
supposed sem* of =detains: the infiname of the crown
by "foie • Lege amber of nominated members into the
legated.* mash. (Hear, hear.) AD 111.11ilal that the
right hem matiomma delivered thins them the neemeity
o kooPill wr Mare iallasaso, whisk sadbe
for no other that he email me exempt
to crest.EsssslnM Sod dareislimisa. (Cheers.)
The right had. gentleman spin took a step la advance in
handing over to the °Maim, subject to certain restrictions,
the control over the lead. (Hear.) Another matter of
great importance, without which he would not be prepared
to content to the details of the measure, eras the largeness
of power of alteration allowed by the bill. (Hear.) The
right hon. gentleman did not pretend by this tell to except
any political enactment from the profane touch of the
colonial legislature. (Hear.) He gave the colonial legis-
lature full power to lay their hands on the work of the ,
imperial parliament, and to alter the laws passed by it
in any manner they pleased, only Imposing the condition
that the alterations should be transmitted home before they

were finally effected. (Hear, hear.) These were the great
merits of the bill, and on the ground of these merits he for
one, moved by his admiration—he might almost say his
Idolatry—of the old eskelsl system in Its purity, was dis-
posed to sink much ed Ye Own pease views, and to lend a
helping band to the main( of the bill. (Hear, hear.) Now,
with regard to the faults of the measure, be cum-
eurred with his boo. friend the member for Southwark
that great difficulty would win from the concurrent ju-
risdiction. (Hear, hear.) It would create, in his opinion,
an unnecessary and en objectionable perplexity. (Hear,
hear.) There was to be the central legislature, the dis-
trict legislature, and the municipal legislature, to
be topped by parliament. He would suggest to the
right hon. gentleman that these municipal legislator. e
should be swallowed up In the district legislatures. (Hear.)
This would give greater simplicity to the measure. The
district legislature would only have to menage the affairs
of from 1,21.10 or 1,600 people to 3,000 or 4,000. lie thought
It unnecessary that there should be separate legislatures
for this purpose. It was impossible that the three legit.
latures could work together without confusion. He confessed
that this concurrent jurisdiction wee in his mind
• subject of apprehension and alarm, fur it meant in the
lug run conflicting jurisdiction. He thought that
this wu • fictions objection to the bill, and, if he
did not join with his honourable friend in deprecating
the progress of the bill, it was because of the lugs
power of alteration given by the bill. (Hear, hear.) Ilia
belief was that the intelligent body of the colonists would
themselves find the remedy of their hasty and crude testis-
' letion and would bring about that principle of unity
which he regarded so much. (Hear, bear.) Another
great objection to the blil was, that it required the colonists
to wait for two years before they could know whether the
laws passed by them received the sanction of the imperial
legislature. Now, he would suggest to the right bon. gen-
tleman, that if the right hon. gentleman inserted four
months or six months, it would not at ell take from
the efficiency of the measure, whilst it wouldbe a great
matter gained in point of practical convenience. (Hear.)
Though ho dial not wish to lose the bill altogether, ho must
say that there were one or two amendments which appeared
to him quite essential if it were passed. The right hun.
gentleman had thought fit—following, in this instance, the
traditions of his department—in his paternal care for these
settlements of New Zeeland, composed of Englishmen as
inteligent as ourselves, except in so far as they had lost
their intelligence by having been for a certain number of
years under arbitrary government—the right bon. gentle.
man had thought tit to propose that they should each be
governed by • superintendent, who was not to be elective
—though we true persons under our own noses to
elect mayors to have authority over 60,000 people
—but to be nominated by the Governor of New
Zealand; and, for fear the superintendent should be sub-
jected to the peril of starvation, he provided that each su-
perintendent should have a salary of .5001. a year. Now
he (Mr. Gladstone) thought it would be a great improve-
ment to get rid both of the dike of supuintendent and
of the salary attached to it. (Hear, hear.) He wished
the right hon. gentleman to consider from what source the
political office derived its advantages. They were there
m an assembly of 6-50 gentlemen who gave laborious ser-
vices to their country. There were other offices in this
country connected with the executive department which
were also laborious. The first class of officers were un•
paid, the second salaried ; but who could say that the
executive offices were coveted more than a seat in that
house t And why was • seat in that house coveted ? Be-
cause it wu a mark of confidence on the part of a portion
of their fellow-subjects. That confidence did the
work of money, and it did it far better thui;money—(hear,
hear)—and if the right hon. gentleman would allow the
colonists to choose out from amongst themselves thou
whom they knew to be their best men, and to bestow on
their fellow-citizens marks of their respect and confidence,
he would find that, without his undertaking to provide
6001. a year, these offices would not only be objects of
honourable competition to the colonists, but would draw
from England men of • different and a higher cleat than
could ever be drawn till there was stamped on the whole of
the colonial institutions the same broad and deep character
of freedom which marked the institutions of the mother
country. (Cheers.) 'I here was one other point to which he
could not help alluding, and that was the ques-
tion of a nominative or elective council. In
constituting his local legislature, the right hon.
gentleman bad certainly thrown tradition overboard ; but
in constituting this central legislature he bad provided
that the leOkative council should be nominative. In this
important portioraiar his plan greatly degenergted from
that of Ida predecessor. If he understood aright the policy
of Lord Gray, what he desired was that the Legislative
Council of New Zealand should be composed of persons
elected by the local legislatures. It was quite evident that
the noble earl deriver. that idea from the United States of
America ; and, as he before said, in going to the United
States for hints for the improvement of our colonial system,
the noble earl resorted to the best fountain. If there were one
thing in the constitution of the United States which, more
than all others, entitled the authors of that astonishing work
to the gratitude of their countrymen and to fame as wide
and lasting as the world, it was the system which they
adopted for the election of their senate, introducing the
principle of election, not by the number of their popula-
tion, but by the separate states, and thus providing a prin-
ciple tocounteract the pure principle of popular election in
the chambers. lie could not help paying a tribute of
praise to the noble earl for choosing that plan of construct-
ing his legislative council. Now, the right hon. gentleman
bad in that particular fallen back on the ordinary practice;
he proposed • nominative legislative council. Ile (Mr.
Gladstone) thought the legislative council ought to be elec-
tive. Whatever might be the honour of nomination, the
members of the council toted not live upon it; they could
not afford to absent themselves from home without being
paid, and the colonists would in no case consent to pay
them so long as they held their seats by nomination. The
real truth was, that one of those vulgar superstitions which
it was necessary to protest against year after year until they
had been altogether exploded, was the superstition that it
was right to have a body of men appointed in this country
for the purpose of repressing the free action of popular
sympathies in the colonies. As regarded the Now Zealand
Company, he avowed jealousy of all commercial companies
which stepped byond mercantile objects, but thought that
the pecuniary position of the company ought not to be
altered.

Secretary Sir J. PAKINOTON concurred in the general
principle of policy laid down by Mr. Gladstone, but could
not agree that we should now adopt the same principles of
colonisation on which our early American colonies were
founded. He insisted upon the necessity which, it had ap-
peared to government, existed for introducing such • mea-
sure u this, and contended that the house ought not to be
deterred by the lateness of the session from endeavouring to
pus it, and to confer upon the colony the blvaing for
which it was so anxious. All parties in the colonies were
desirous of immediate legislation. lie addressed himself to
answer the oislootions of the various speakers on the ques-
, tion, justified tin scastrattion of the local legislatures on
the groomed of Ms WO sianeter of those for whose benefit
they wore erasted, eat Ow provision regarding the New
Zealand Company, as having been dictated by • sense
of justice. As • rule, he stated that all local
acts were to be definitely settled by the governor in the co-
lony. On account of the lateness of the hour (one o'clock)
be abstained from going into details at any great length,
but he defended the nominee system contemplated by the
bill, dwelling upon the desirability of making the colonial
institutions a reflex of those of the mother country.
Sir J. GRAHAM would under no circumstances be in-
clined to oppose the bill, which be should, he said, be glad
to see in committee. Ile signified his assent to what had
fallen from Mr. Gladstone in reference to the New Zealand
Company, of whose " bargain" he thought the house should
be more fully informed.
Mr. MANGLES spoke in defence of the company's in-
terest.

Mr. WALTER pointed out that there was no real
affinity between the hereditary chamber at home and
the nominee chamber proposed in the colony, and in so
far there was no imitation of the institutions of the mother
country.
After a few observations from Mr. ANITZT,
The ball was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed on Friday next.
The Huddersfield Burial Ground Bill was read a third
time, and passed.
Mr. licun moved that there be laid before the house
a copy of Sir Thomas Cochrane's despatch to the Ad-
miralty, of the 30th day of May, 1846, together with the
letters of the 30th day of Merck and the Ist day of April,
therein alluded to; and the icelosurcs accompanying them.
—Agreed to.
Ou the motion of Lord Jour MANNZRB leave was given
to bring in a bill to enable the Commissioner of Her Ma-
jesty's Works and Public Buildings to complete improve-
ments in Pimlico and in the neighbourhood of Bucking-
ham Palace.

Lpl sa amio nation of Lord Naas, a bill to extend the
Let to facilitate the Improvement of Landed Property in
Ireland, and the acts amending the same, to the erection of
for match mills for flax in Ireland.
' at a quarter pia 1.