The Express.
London, England, 1863-03-12 00:00:00

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MINES.—(THIS bAYJ

Two o'CLocz. ,

The mining market is rather active to-day.
North Roakear, Tincroft, Great Fortune, and Stray
Park shame are firmer, and Illopn are us.'
quired for. Copper Hill are heavy, and have(
declined about 41. East Oteadon and Zest;
Russell have also receded. North Rosekear shams.
are now quoted 001 to 611 ; Copper Hill, 921 to'
96 ; East Caradou, 441 to 461 ; North Downs, 2t
to ; Tincroft, 191 to 20 ; East ReelF!'
warne, 31 to Wheal Harriett, 3i to 1 v
East Russell, 41 to 5 ; Illogsn, 30a. to 325. 6d. ;
Stray Park, 38 to 40 ; Prince of Wales, Bs. 94. to,
Ile. 3d. ; Wheal Seton, 250 to 2521 •• Wheat
G 33 to 34 ; and Great Fortune, 371't0 38
Foreign and colonial mining shares are quiet, sit
previous prices. Dun Mountain have bees dealt
in at ; Fortuna at 51 ; and Kapunda at 11. •
At the C.uradon Consols Mine meeting yesterdays
the accounts showed a debit balanos of 1331. 10s. 2d,
A call of 15s. per share was made.
Tamar Mine sold yesterday 46 tons of silver /sad:
ore, at 181. 4a. 6d. per ton.

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.11PERIAI: PARLIAMENT.

AFFIRMATIONS BILL.

ic;;tio;;eZiraesling
Against
SECURITY FROM VIOLENCE BILL

• 73 _
ItiE OF COMMONS. -ANION C4DAT, MARCHII.

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Sir J. FERGUSSON was of opinion that the belief in
thotexisteece of • God and a future state of rewards and
punishments was the best test of the credibility of a
witness.
Sir F. COLDSMID supported the bill on the ground
that tl.ere should be no civil incapacity oe any man on ac-
count of his religious belief, or the absence of any belief.
Mr. HENLEY was prepared to stand by the present law
hems of opinion that religious belief was the beat moral
standard of a man's truthfulness.
Dlr. LOCS t: urged that the arguments against this men.
sure were based on the sem ground. of objection to change
winch were word when alterations were made in the law of
evidence, by which parties to suite could be examined as
wituesses and also by which the testimony of convicted
felons ass mode mineable. Before you could exclude the
evident), of a man who had no religious belief you must
establish that be could sot speak the truth, and also that
pinions professing rebgions belief always spoke the truth.
After remarks froth Mr. Kellner= against the bill,
awl from Mr. lereaset sad MT. OODUGHAII in favour of it,
Sir C. DOUGLAS supported the ball, the 'cooed clause
of which was, be said, identical with the law m it prevailed
in India. He would mention • case which would
show the necessity there existed for • change hi the law. Is
November last • case was tried, and ate of the defendant's
witnesses ou waling hit* the box declined to take as
oath, bnt expressed his mediums to speak the truth if be
were allowed to do so. The judge inquired under what
obligation he would speak the truth, and the reply was the
obligation of honour. The judge said that that was not
sufficient, and the witness added that he believed if • MID
did not tell the truth he violated bin conscience. He was
then asked whether be believed in • future state of rewards
and punishments, and upon his replying in the negative,
adding that he believed the punishment would be in this
lite, hi evidence was rejected. Surely, the defendant in
that case had • right to complain that the state of the law
as it now exists worked an injustice to him in that instance.
The evidence of a witness named Clark, who believed is
God, was rejected because he did not believe in • future
state of punishment ' • while the testimony of another who
any sworn against his oonscience was received. He put it
to the house whether such • state of thistle might to be
Littered to cocaine*, and calk d upon them to affirm the
second readies of the bill
'The house then divided—

Mr. ADDFALFY, in moving the wooed reeding of this
bill, said he wool not detain the hoes* many minutes.
The bill was founded oe Lord Campbell's bill of 1862, and
the Consolidation Act of 186 L He hoped the house would
not enter at this gorge into the details of the bill. The
principal feature of the bill was that it pro_posed to apply
tha punishment of whipping to garotters. He made this
=I because he believed some roes had their minds so
that the only way of dealing with them was by en
appeal to their fears. He had received letters from varier
quarters—magistrates, public writer., and others—all of
whom agreed that no punishment waa so short and no effectuaL '
He did not mean to go back to the system of excembre
perhment and brutal floggings. That formed no part of his
WI lt was said that Juries would not convict if ge
was to be the punishment. He thought the feeliugorre
public was entirely misapprehended. He believed
the public were prepared to see the punishment
if death inflicted on garotters for the second
officio°. The right hon. gentleman opposite said
the health or age of pretters might not be always such as
to allow the punishment of Bogging being inflicted. But he
was of opinion that the man who was in health enough to
sprier from his lair to commit en act of violence was
prim& facie healthy enough to be flogged. (Laughter.) It
has well known that the fear of flogging wee the most
effectual 11061:111 of deterring men from alp ilk the army
and navy. But the tight hoe. sootlemaa said that theme.'
Perishment which was effected in the navy sod the army
would not answer rhea the prisoner was to be brought before
ajury. He (Mr. Adderley) came to the itreotly opposite
(occlusion. The boa. member for Sheffield, from motive.
that were exaseftgly creditable te him. wth •=rd
to this merits lemon be thought that ng
was • brutal mode of puniahment, and told
the bouse that havbsg (edged it is his early days
be had not experiesesd the lug benefit from it. (Laughter.)
But, as be had before he proposed that hi samsere
should only apply to a discripthe of guided'.
The object they all had in view was to prevent aims, end
the object of his la was to prevent • particular de-
scription of crime. With that view he proposed the
geoud readier of the mews.
Mr. HADFIELD said it was vveerryy remarkable that in the
=ty which the right both pa tad there
more im sag other la There
were 78 flog= New yore in a popubelise et 740,a0.
Ia Lawaskira, whisk wee the art in order, then were only
191:1 &Wags te a pwrilisa Ore time. SW wears. The
sable lad the member for Terra (Viewer
Repair) proposed a atessure et the ear kid,
Ice the parries, be sapwood, at
tioreeitie f=aisy meals beck kasha* ban
=to their coajeasl dare. a.
that all the attempts at legialation peeseded oa
• wrong wiackie, eid.Shat errors reply proud rose
was no necomity for reading to this
mode -d gutiehreent
la order to deter from raw. That wet the
Ur
of the
Cirrof Warisid Gaol, sad of Urn' who
mrEar esperiter is dealing with primer.
la 68 piers no doggies ever took plus ; in 11, so &gem
exert for bread= el errs diesipline ; is 91 or 4137,
a.Maki 'neap far ar m committed out of doors ; in
(261 ant of the latter there was punishment only in the cases
-where it was ordered by lodges of arses ; and In 26 only
whom it was cedar ley the whine( jamitese. It was de-
inusetrabis that ea exam in this prdahment always
.bat is an lawyer of crime. The committee which sat two
yeas ago Ursa the repeal of for offences
=teileurial el eat. and for a horse without a
bite* as in the area of boy who infested
Buidthighun Paler a 'few rue sire, and for whom be
das_ntitll goad. borinwhipping would have been the beat
t. • Hew hear," and laughter.) He thought
ware ample rearm why the house should_ reject the
:bM mail the report dothe wromimiosers wee laid btu
them He thmellseo ed to move that the hill bs reed
Thy
time that der six meek&
Theintetio• h eying limn seconded,
Mr. HIBERET ambeeded that flogging operated w a
swipes prevestive spdast the oontereion at are.
Gruel NORTH meld he card sot iedentaid why they
should be so itailyreuthed es mot to wart a set of
rakes mob as they bed to deal with to the pal"--t
et loggieg. (Hear.) He drew the atteethea at the here
to the cased or Lewis Pork who ha tan tried tor sa
intuit roe • wavier no lees than fear tire ; wee la the
year 1864, whoa he was soarer to four yews' 'weal sr
elude; • sewed Year is 1867, whoa he was award to
wren years' penal einvitade ; s third timer wee sentenced
to 14 years', and • fourth time, and gay the other day, to 30
years' penal servitude, seek time far • sissikr offence. What
• was to be dons with mush • Reaper es tine Be
• tended that he ought to have been led out to the triangles
end Bogged at cues. (Haar, hear.) There wee we ether
' mode of dealing with this are of insorrigilde Misr At
• punt the diet of the wavier at Chatham was wry au-
• prior to that dam whew day Lebeerw. (Hear, hear.)
• Mr. CLAY thought thus was as rare, amount of
exaggerated fear steer with respect is this mina. But
however that might be, be, for one, would sown consent
to the Margin el • men lace a dog. (Hew, bear.) He
thought it had a demotalkag and brutalising effect not
• esly upon the victims, bat epos • great many others who
• were heveriog oe the kith of crime.
Sir O. GREY said that, however popular might be the
• roman' for thereat* the sinouot of punishment for
offences, he must agree in the amendment that the bill
be reed that day six moetba. He certainly could not
agree with all the arguments of his hon. frird behind him.
For instance with reepeet to the royal comininioe, it must
• be remembered that din (mention of posishmeet was sot
• within the acope of theirinquiry. Nor could he epee with kit
hon. friend (Br. ClayLthat the stories about to" wars
uo without fodatiou. Meth, bear.) Still be heir there
bad beg • great roar ot exaggsratios. At present he
believed that theme wea se prerelease of say ernseptimil
area if arr. (Han her) Dailto Sari Part 01 the
rater no doubt the,, was • very of whom
with violence. But there was • se crime, ea tire
was in suicide; and he really believed that the publicity
which wee given to the wealth upon • member of that
Tsar gave • grit Warr to the immature of crime ct •
similar kind. What had been the result, however? Why
Nat the pike bed bees increased ; a very large portion of
the exist ( criminals of this claw were apprehended and con-
victed. At this time he believed that. wee no erre of
wrime ; and there was no failure is the elkosecy of the lam
which required to be dealt with. Why, then, should the
: bows be asked to is end check the costintimice of crime
• which did not exist? He believed that the iotroduction
this measure would add gill further to the confusion of the
statute-book. Arra, objection to it was that it left no
discretion to the judges ; it made the preinnut compul-
. wry. This he thought was wary Wieners, the re-
sult of experience showing that the want of diecretios in
the hands of judges often induced them to lean
• miarietions. What was the
spiky of Sir B. Peel Tilt re!
• spect to the offences of shooting at the Queen ? He, said we
. will trace this crime from its dignified character as yearn,
end stake It • rigger offence pouishable is an won'
: armor. Thee crimes should, be (Sir G. Guy) thought, be
dealt with in the same manner. If the truth bad bees
ascertained he believed it would be forma that the gavial
Lewis,to whom the pliant member had referred, bore the
marks of the oat num his back.
• Colonel NORTH said he would endorser to eseertain
the feet. (Neer, hear.)
Sir G. GREY miatired to diet we that be thought the
.• Where of no =dirveltkruoiebseant In this three roes
or six times ie be latotheble to the fading
et society ; *thee judge in the dOlotry would be ford
• willing to wervietraidar it; whereas the more Is of
fifty bashes would he • very irdetwate protrices. (Ories
of " Divide.")
Sir & NORTHOOTE mid he would Weil& the her
for a few roomers ray. H. would admit there were
ere biota ia the ewer, whir might he rerreeted I.
committee; but when private immbers brought • bill for-
ward this might be expected. (Hear, hear.) If the govern-
ment had bra disposed to eat, he felt sus his right bee.