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JUNE 14, 1856.

Trott6ings arliamtnt.

MONDAY, JUNE 9.
OUR RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.

Eari GRANVILLE, in reply to the Earl of Carnarvon,
said that her Majesty's Government had received no
official communication of the dismissal of Mr.
Crampton. It was expected that letters from
Mr. Crampton, to the 27th, would arrive that night
or on the morning of the following day, and previous
to receiving them they would have no further in•.
formation to give.
Lord PALMERSTON, in the Commons, in reply
to Mr. Disraeli, returned a similar answer.

THE FOREIGN LEGIONS.

Lord PANNITRE, in answer to questions from the
Earl of Donoughmore with reference to the disem-
bodiment of the foreign legions, said that the Swiss
and the Italian Legions would be disembodied
almost immediately. With respect to the German
Legion, it appeared that. a large number of them
were desirous of being conveyed to the Cape of Good
Hope, and arrangements would, he hoped, be
shortly made to carry out their wish.

THE VACANT BISHOPRIC OF
BRISTOL.

The Earl of ELLEIMOROUGH called the attention of
Lord Granville to the vacancy which had just arisen
in the united diocese of Gloucester and Bristol, and
explained that in consequence of the erection of a
large palace at Gloucester, which was very expensive
to keep up, the late bishop had permanently resided
at Stapleton. The consequence was that during the
1 ist ten or fifteen years there had virtually been a
non-resident bishop. He did not mean to say that
the ecclesiastical duties of the diocese had been
neglected, but there had certainly been a want of
that personal communication between the bishop
and the gentlemen of the county which was so essen
tial to the usefulness of the former. A petition to
her Majesty, expressing an almost universal assent
as to the necessity of separating the two dioceses,
was at the present moment in circulation. Under
these circumstances he entertained a confident ex-
pectation that the Government would adopt no step
whatever towards filling up the vacancy which had
arisen until they had had an opportunity of ascer-
taining the feelings of the inhabitants of Gloucester-
shire upon the subject to which he had alluded.
Lord REDESDALE thought it impossible for any
clergyman to carry on the duties of the united see of
Gloucester and Bristol in the manner in which they
ought to be performed. He hoped that the claims
of the inhabitants would not be neglected.
Earl GRANVILLE said the question which had been
raised was one of a very difficult character, and re-
quired much consideration. There were several sees
with respect to which there had been great complaints
of the necessity of dividing them ; and therefore it
was obvious that if an}•thing were to be done in such
a matter it should be by means of a general measure,
and not one applying only to this particular case.
As to the case in question, lie had no doubt
that, after what had passed that evening, who-
ever might succeed the right rev. prelate would do
so On the understanding that the future arrange-
ments with respect to residence would be of a satis-
factory character.
The Mercantile Law Amendment Bill passed
through committee on the LORD CHANCELLOR ex-
plaining that the first clause did not touch contracts
relating to real est Ates. Lord OVERSTONE protested
aganist the reveal of section 17 of the statute of
frauds, so far as it related to personal property.
The Reformatory and Industrial Schools Bill was
read a second time.

OATH OF ABJURATION BILL.
The Oath of Abjuration Bill having been read a
third time,
Sir F. THESIGER moved, by way of amendment,
instead of the proposed modification in the oath of
abjuration, the substitution of a new formula, which,
after binding the party taking the oath truly and sin-
cerely to acknowledge, profess, testify, and declare
in his conscience be`ore God and the world that
Queen Victoria is lawful and rightful Queen of
this realm, and of all other her dominions and
countries thereunto belonging ; to bear faith and
true allegiance to her Majesty and to defend her
against all traitorous conspiracies and attempts
whatsoever, against her person, Crown, or dignity ;
to disclose and make known to her Majesty all
treasons and traitorous conspiracies against her,
known to the party, and to maintain, support, and
defend the succession of the Crown, as limited by the
Act of Succession, against all persons whatsoever,
proceeds :—" And all these things I do plainly and
sincerely acknowledge and swear according to these
express words by me spoken, and according to the
plain and common sense and understanding of the
same words, without any e4uivocation, mental
evasion, or secret reservation whatsoever; and I do

make this recognition, acknowledgment, and promise
heartily, willingly, and truly, upon the true faith of a
Christian. So help me God." In support of his
motion Sir Frederick Thesiger insisted tha.; the words
"upon the true faith of a Christian " should be re-
tained, so that it should be thoroughly understood
there was no avenue to that house to one not pro-
fessing Christianity. He was willing to remodel the
existing oath ; but he would not consent to un-
christianise the Legislature by an indirect process.
If Jewish emancipation were desired, the advocate of
that measure should bring in a special bill for the
purpose. Most people felt it essential that some
distinction must exist between the oath of the
Jew and the oath of the Christian. Replying
to the chief arguments offered in favour of
admitting Jews—namely, that they were excluded by
accident—which he denied, for when the oath was
framed there were no Jews in England, and no one
then anticipated a Jew ever becoming a peer or being
elected a member of the Commons more than a
Mahommedan or a Pagan—a view Baron Parke had
supported in judgment in the case of " Miller v.
Salomons ;" that all subjects of a free State were
entitled to an equality of civil rights—which he con
tested, as civil rights clearly did not include political
power and office ; for although Jews had been admitted
to the offices of mayors, sheriffs, and magistrates,
there was yet an important distinction to be drawn
between admitting a person to a subordinate office
and making him, as it were, supreme by electing
him to make our laws; and that they had been ad-
mitted to the elective franchise—which he held was
no argument in favour of admitting him to Parlia-
ment, for practically them was no analogy between
the infinitesimal power of a single voter and that of
a member of the Legislature ; that the choice of
the election of a large constituency ought to be
retarded, to which he replied that electors had no
right to elect a disqualified person—they might as
well elect an alien; Sir Frederick Thesiger, in
conclusion, reverted to what he considered the
high and vantage ground, that our institutions were
laid deep in the foundation of Christianity, and
urged the house to pause before it abandoned that
ground.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that if it were intended to ex
elude Jews front the Legislature it ought to be done
by adirect measure. He did not think that the mere
point of religious faith ought to be made a ground of
exclusion, and if such men as Loid Bolingbroke and
Mr. Gibbon could Lake this new oath, as they might
do, what was the value of such a religious test? He
opposed the amendment.
Mr. WARREN supported it. The direct effect of
Mr. M. Gibson's bill as it stood would be to oblite-
rate vital principles, to place the Legislature upon a
new footing, and to work au organic change in our
political structure. By rejecting the words " upon
the true faith of a Christian" the house would estab-
lish a principle that would loosen the very founda-
tion of oaths, and place a weapon in the hands of
the infidel.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE opposed the amendment, when
the house &tided, and the amendment was negatived
by 159 to 110.

REFORMATORY EST,

Sir G. GREY, in reply to Viscount Newport, said
in his opinion the fair way to meet the matter of
allowances for the maintenance of juvenile criminals
in reformatory establishments was to allow tho same
sum as would be charged to the country were these
juvenile criminals detained in prison at the expense
of the nation.

had taken any steps in consequence of this declara-
tion of the Master of the Rolls.

Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD said he had communicated
with the Crown solicitor in reference to attending the
judgment of his Honour. The course which had been
all along open to the learned judge was a perfectly clear
one; he had only to direct that the matter should be
brought under the attention of the Crown solicitor,
who would have placed it before him (Mr. Fitz-
gerald) for his consideration, with a view that, if
necessary, he might put the law in force.

CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill, re-
suming at clause 27. Clause 27, with the addition of
the words " without prejudice to any existing interest
of any members of such college," was agreed to.
Clause 28, giving power to colleges to sever bene-
fices from the headship, was agreed to without dis-
cussion. Clauses 20 and 30, as previously amended by
Mr. Bouverie, were agreed to. Clause 31 was agreed to
upon the promise of Mr. Bouverie to concede a power
to the colleges to dissent from any statutes proposed
by the commissioners with respect to endowments,
but not with regard to the royal statutes. The
remaining clauses of the bill were agreed to.
The Oxford University Bill was read a second time.
TUESDAY.
THE UNITED STATES.

The Earl of CLARENDON, in reply to a question
from the Earl of Carnsrvon as to whether any im-
portant intelligence had been received from
United States since Monday night, replied

In answer to the noble earl, I have to state that
ceived last night a letter from Mr. Campton, day
27th tilt., and at the last moment saying that up I
hour he had received no intimation whatever of the

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, make this recognition, acknowledgment, and promise had taken any steps in consequence of this declare-
Trott6ings in arlianunt. heartily, willingly, and truly, upon the true faith of a Lion of the Master of the Rolls. a
_____ Christian. So help me God." In support of his Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD said he had eommunicated
motion Sir Frederick Thesiger insisted thee the words with the Crown solicitor in reference to attending the
MONDAY, JUNE 9. " upon the true faith of a Christian " should be re- judgment of his Honour. The course which had been
OUR RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES. tained, so that it should be thoroughly understood all along open to the learned judge was a perfectly clear
Earl GRANVILLE, in reply to the Earl of Carnarvon, there was no avenue to that house to one not pro- one; he had only to direct that the matter should be
fessing Christianity. He was willing to remodel the brought under the attention of the Crown solicitor,
said that her Majesty's Government had received no existing oath; but he would not consent to un- who would have placed it before him (Mr. Fitz.
official communication of the dismissal of Mr. christianise the Legislature by an indirect process. gerald) for his consideration, with a view that, if
Crampton. It was expected that letters from If Jewish emancipation were desired, the advocate of necessary, he might put the law in force.
Mr. Crampton, to the 27th, would arrive that night that measure should bring in a special bill for the CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY BILL.
or on the morning of the following day, and previous purpose. Most people felt it essential that some The house went into committee on this bill, re-
to receiving them they would have no further in distinction must exist between the oath of the Burning at clause 27. Clause 27, with the addition of
formation to give. Jew and the oath of the Christian. Replying the words " without prejudice to any existing interest
Lord PALMERSTON, in the Commons, in reply to the chief arguments offered in favour of of any members of such college," was agreed to.
to Mr. Disraeli, returned a similar answer. admitting Jews—namely, that they were excluded by Clause 28, giving power to colleges to sever hene-
THE FOREIGN LEGIONS. accident—which he denied, for when the oath was fives from the headship, was agreed to without dis-
Lord PANMURE, in answer to questions from the framed there were no Jews in England, and no one cussion. Clauses 29 and 30, as previously amended by
Earl of Donoughmore with reference to the disem- then anticipated a Jew ever becoming a peer or being Mr. Bouverie, were agreed to. Clause 31 was agreed to
bodiment of the foreign legions, said that the Swiss elected a member of the Commons more than a upon the promise of Mr. Bouverie to concede a power
and the Italian Legions would be disembodied Mahommedan or a Pagan—a view Baron Parke had to the colleges to dissent from any statutes proposed
almost immediately. With respect to the German supported in judgment in the case of " Miller v. by the commissioners with respect to endowments,
Legion, it appeared that. a large number of them Salomons ;" that all subjects of a free State were but not with regard to the royal statutes. The
were desirous of being cc nveyed to the Cape of Good entitled to an equality of civil rights—which he con . remaining clauses of the bill were agreed to.
Hope, and arrangements would, he hoped, be tested, as civil rights clearly did not include political The Oxford University Bill was read a seeoud time.
shortly made to carry out their wish. power and office ; for although Jews had been admitted
to the offices of mayors, sheriffs, and magistrates, TUESDAY.
THE VACANT BISHOPRIC OF GLOUCESTER AND there was yet an important distinction to be drawn THE UNITED STATES.
BRISTOL. between admitting a person to a subordinate office The Earl of CLARENDON, in reply to a question
The Earl of ELLENIOOROUGH called the attention of' and making him, as it were, supreme by electing from the Earl of Carnsrvon as to whether any im-
Lord Granville to the vacancy which had just arisen him to make our laws; and that they had been ad- portant intelligence had been received from the
in the united diocese of Gloucester and Bristol, and mitted to the elective franchise—which he held was United States since Monday night, replied --
explained that in consequence of the erection of a no argument in favour of admitting him to Parlia- In answer to the noble earl, I have to state that Ire
large palace at Gloucester, which was very expensive ment, for practically there was no analogy between ceived last night a letter from Mr. C"ampton, dated the
to keep up, the late bishop had permanently resided the infinitesimal power of a single voter and that of 27th ult., and at the last moment saying that up to that
at Stapleton. The consequence was that during the a member of the Legislature ; that the choice of hour he had received no intimation whatever of the inten-
-list ten or fifteen years there had virtually been a the election of a large constituency ought to be lions of the United States Government.
non-resident bishop. He did not mean to say that retarded, to which he replied that electors had no METROPOLITAN IMPROVEMENTS.
toe ecclesiastical duties of the diocese had been right to elect a disqualified person—they might as Lord RAVENSWORTH asked whether it was the in-
neglected, but there had certainly been a want of well elect an alien; Sir Frederick Thesiger, in tention of the tiovernment to introduce any new plan
that personal communication between the bishop conclusion, reverted to what he considered the for the accommodation of the public by improved
and the gentlemen of the county which was so essen high and vantage ground, that our institutions were facilities of communication.
tial to the usefulness of the former. A petition to laid deep in the foundation of Christianity, and The Marquis of LANSDOWNE replied that a fresh
her Majesty, expressing an almost universal assent urged the house to pause before it abandoned that and inexpensive scheme for opening a cemmunica-
as to the necessity of separating the two dioceses, ground. Lion between Pimlico and Pall-mall was under the
was at the present moment in circulation. Under Lord J. RUSSELL said that if it were intended to ex consideration of the Government, and would in due
these circumstances he entertained a confident ex- elude Jews front the Legislature it ought to be done time be submitted to the House of Commons.
pectation that the Government would adopt no step by adirect measure. He did not think that the mere
THE NON-CONSECRATION OF THE BLANDFORD BURlAL-
whatever towards filling up the vacancy which had point of religious faith ought to be made a ground of
GROUND.
arisen until they had had an opportunity of ascer- exclusion, and if such men as Lotd Bolingbroke and Lord PORTMAN entered into explanations relative
taining the feelings of the inhabitants of Gloucester- Mr. Gibbon could take this new oath, as they might to his statements on Thursday last. Lord Portman
shire upon the subject to which he had alluded. do, what was the value of such a religious test? He
denied that he had made any erroneous statements
Lord REDESDAI.E thought it impossible for any opposed the amendment.
relative to the absence of a communion-table at
clergyman to carry on the duties of the united see of Mr. WARREN supported it. The direct effect of the Woolwich Cemetery chapel, and quoted a
Gloucester and Bristol in the manner in which they Mr. M. Gibson's bill as it stood would be to oblite- confirmatory letter from the clerk of the Burial
ought to be performed. He hoped that the claims rate vital principles, to place the Legislature upon a Board.
of the inhabitants would not be neglected. new footing, and to work au organic change in our The Bishop of OXFORD maintained that by the
Earl GRANVILLE said the question which had been political structure. By rejecting the words "upon canon law there was no complete consecration of a
raised was one of a very difficult character, and re- the true faith of a Christian" the house would estab- cemetery chapel or church without celebrating the
quired much consideration. There were several sees fish a principle that would loosen the very founds- Holy Communion, and that hence a communion-
with respect to which there had been great complaints lion of oaths, and place a weapon in the hands of table was essential.
of the necessity of dividing them ; and therefore it the infidel. The Bishop of CASHEL contradicted the Bishop of
was obvious that if anything were to be done in such Mr. T. BUNCOMBE opposed the amendment, when Oxford in every particular, and denied that any such
a matter it should be by means of a general measure, the house divided, and the amendment was negatived religious ceremony was essential to the consecration
and not one applying only to this particular case. by 159 to 110. of a church.
As to the case in question, lie had no doubt
REFORMATORY ESTABLISHMENTS. The discussion, upon the suggestion of Lord
that, after what had passed that evening, who-
Sir G. GREY, in reply to Viscount Newport, said CAMPBELL that it would not tend to edification if
ever might succeed the right rev. prelate would do
in his opinion the fair way to meet the matter of prolonged, was then dropped.
so en the understanding that the future arrange-
meets with respect to residence would be of a salts- .allowances for the maintenance of juvenile criminals ST. PANCRAS WORKHOUSE.
in reformatory establishments was to allow the same Mr. BOUVERIE, in reply to a question from Sir
factory character.
The Mercantile Law Amendment Bill passed sum as :would be charged to the country were these John Pakington as to whether the defective accom-
through committee on the LORD CHANCELLOR ex- juvenile criminals detained in prison at the expense modation of St. Pancras Workhouse was being re-
plaining that the first clause did not touch contracts of the nation. medied, read a letter from the Chairman of Directors
relating to real estetes. Lord OVERSTONE protested ENCUMBERED ESTATES COURT. stating that great improvements in the arrangement
aga:nst the reveal of section 17 of the statute of Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD, in reply to Colonel Gre. and management of the workhouse had been effected.
frauds, so far as it related to personal property. stile, said he was prepared to advise the Government CLERKS OF NISI PRIUS IN DUBLIN.
The Reformatory and Industrial Schools Bill was to introduce in due time a bill for the continuation Mr. J. FITZGERALD, in reply to a question from
read a second time. of the system of the Encumbered Estates Court. Mr. Kennedy as to whether it was the intention of
OATH OF ABJURATION BILL. PUBLIC PROSECUTORS. Government to provide an increase of salary for the
The Oath of Abjuration Bill having been read a Sir G. GREY, in reply to Mr. J. G. Phillimore, said clerks of Nisi Prius in Dublin, said the matter was
third time, it was not the intention of Government to propose under consideration with a view to place those officers
Sir F. THESIGER moved, by way of amendment, any bill for the appointment of a public prosecutor upon a permanent and more satisfactory footing.
instead of the proposed modification in the oath of during the present session ; the Attorney-General, PUNISHMENT OF DEATH.
abjuration, the substitution of a new formula, which, however, intended to frame a measure in the recess. Mr. EWART moved for the appointment of a select
after binding the party taking the oath truly and sin. MR. BAILLIE'S MOTION. committee to inquire into the operation of the law
cerely to acknowledge, profess, testify, and declare Mr. BAILLIE, in reply to Major Reid, said :
imposing the punishment of death. The main
in his conscience before God and the world that ground of his argument against capital punishment,
I beg to state, in answer to the lion member, that it is he said, was its uncertainty. The punishment of
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Queen Victoria is lawful and rightful Queen of _ yintention to call the attention of the house to the clues.
this realm, and of all other her dominions and Lion adverted to (American enlistments), so soon as official death was losing ground in foreign countries, and its
countries thereunto belonging ; to bear faith and accounts of what has taken place in the United States are repeal, he contended, was strictly in conformity with
true allegiance to her Majesty and to defend her received in this country. It that information should the spirit and precepts of the Gospel. The question
against all traitorous conspiracies and attempts arise before the army estimates come on, I shall take the was one of expediency ; punishment should be effec.
whatsoever, against her person, Crown, or dignity; earliest opportunity of bringing the subject before the tive on the criminal, and repressive of crime; it
to disclose and make known to her Majesty all house. should be as far as possible equal, certain, revocable,
treasons and traitorous conspiracies against her, THE TIPPERARY BANK. and remediable, whereas he maintained experience
known to the party, and to maintain, support, and Mr. BOWYER called attention to the fact that the had proved that capital punishment was ineffective,
defend the succession of the Crown, as limited by the Master of the Rolls in Ireland was reported, in the unequal, and uncertain, while a more lenient punish-
Act of Succession, against all persons whatsoever, course of the investigtion into the affairs of the ment, imprisonment for life, would be more certain
Proceeds :—" And all these things Ido plainly and Tipperary Bank, to have expressed his surprise that in its operation, would check false sympathy for the
sincerely acknowledge and swear according to these the Government had allowed the case to go on so criminal, and would carry with it public opinion.
express words by me spoken, and according to the long without interfering, and to have stated his The motion was seconded by Mr. HADFIELD.
plain and common sense and understanding of the opinion that "if Government remained any longer Mr. DRUMMOND opposed the motion, observing
same words, without any evivocation, mental quiescent it would be guilty of a gross dereliction of that the precept contained in the words, " Whoso
evasion, or secret reservation whatsoever; and Ido duty." He wished to know whether the Government sheddeth man's blood by man shall his bid be A

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