The Express.
London, England, 1852-12-11 00:00:00

! answer on the instant, and that fends is it neeeeeary thatl
should state the grounds on which I protested. And I will
show to the house that there are good grounds for that pro-
test, whether cousiderral ist re ference to their own iatrintio
reasonableness or iu reference to the authority from which,
as 1 think, they derive the etrongsat support. The ground
which I take with regard to the House of Commons in
making provision for the service of the year is this—that
you ought not to remit taxation until you have made sure
of your ways and means fn the year. And Uterine. I pre.
some toes; to the right bon. gentleman that ho would he
I wrong if he called or, us to deal with the maior articles
of his budget, it he called on us to settle the qu stion of
the house tax, and eve-6,11y if he called on us to remit
duties until be lass called on this' house fur a recognition of
the income tax; and in so cluing I stand on the prin.
civic that Sir Robert reel proceeded on in 1412.
Well, how do we now stand i The right o'
gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer shows fur the
, year—l proceed all along on his own figures—he shams for
I the year 18d3.4 • surplus in all of 1,600,000 e, That is
1,300,000 e 'surplus. and 300,6001. ho saves on the liellir
war. Against that lac charges 6,00,t 001.. which he is plug to
lay on tee estimate s, and 104,0401. on the light JIM. makerg
700,000/. That deducted foam 1,601,001, leaves a surplus
of 900,0001., so that where the late Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer bed '2,000,0001., the right hen. geed. Mill has
900,0001. Well, is he Roble to sacrifice any purtiun of this
900,0001. ? Ile proposes to hurresidvr (or the year loaael,
1,004,000/. on the malt tax. I confess I should have ie„,,0,,
that a very low estimate, tad I take it as he gives it. Then
he proposes to sacrifice .100,0101/. on tea ; anal he propsses to
impose a new house tax, the amount of which wail he a
million, but only half of the increase will tome to amnia
in the present year. The increase, therefea, wad her ~,,,,I,
I 500,000/. Ile is going to a mit 1,400,4401., and gobs gto
charge 400,001. therefore ho is going to part with his
900,0001., namely, his entire surplus; and yet it was the
right hon. gentleman himself who laid down the principle,
that with the income to renewed only fur a year,
you were not justified in redueine your surplus
even to so low an amount to 1,200,000/., and it is the
right hon. polonium himself, who, with the income tax
depending, refuse, to take a vote on that tax, anal insists
upon gong on with his budget, which involves a reduction
of 1,400,0001. and a hiss of 9110,0001. • and therefore, in the
protest I venture to make. I humbly submit that lem
entirely supported, both bythe doctrine and the practice of
the right hon. gentleman under happier circumstances.
The hon. baronet who has just sat down says there en a
great many taunts and jeers thrown out against sp wheals
who have changed their opinions in regard ta. free trade. 1
must eon( ss that, so tar as the debates of this house are ea:sc-
reened, I had hoped that there was a great absence of such
taunts. All I can say is Hilt, for myself, whether success-
ful or not I am not the kolas-, I have stri.en to avant the
use of them—(cheers)—and I am quite certain that if they
have escaped from any other pa nun it has been through in.
advertence. But at the came time I must soy that there
are circus:esteems, and especially the 61.mm:ideates under
which government oppean to be going uti, in which it as
your duty to remind the leaders of that government of the
priliciple+ they themselves have laid down. 1 read the other
day tin arausaug report of the Drees edings, whether:correctly
reported or not I know not, of • local election, in which one
of the candidate, complained of the other that he had re.
forted to an unworthy artifice in referring to his antecedents.
i (Loud laughter.) I assure the right hon. gentleman that it
i a iron no desire to practice either a worthy oe an en-
s worthy artifice that I point out his antecedents. It is 4.-
1 cause I want to point ant to him the principle which he
i held last year, and so strongly, that he thought it necessary
I to melee it the foundation of a motion that it was necessary
to secure the ways and mean+ before it voted away the
: taxes It was a proposition founded on that principle that
: I row tfully submitted to him the other night, and which
I he, I will not say contumeliously, but summarily rejected.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, declining
to reply at that time ill detail to the ()birchen, of Mr.
Ciladstone, observed that the right hon. gentleman had
addressed the house under a complete ignorance of the
facts, and, at the proper period, he should be preload to
show that the course he had token was oue that hail beet
mound, naled by the highest autlierities. Ile was not in
the ordinney position of • Chancellor of the Exchequer;
the government having been tainted with bickwar.lnew in
bringing Mefferd their measura a, anal with a desire to evade
responsibility.
Mr. T. BUNCOMBE said ho wanted to ask the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer one question. He undersea don a
former occasion that he stated that her Majesty's ministers
intended to stand or fall by the propoeitious he (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer) then made; in short, that they
were to bare the budget, the whole budget, and nothing
but the budget. Therefore they were no' gulag ante com-
mittee for the purpose of creating a budget, for the pur-
pose of rejecting or adopting any particular item, but for
thu purpose of swallewing it altogether. Now to that
he objected. (Cries of " lA, ade.") If the Chancellor of
the Exchequer would be kind enough to inform him
that he did ioteud to treat this as a deliberative assembly,
and that they might alter or amend the budget, of coarse
nothing would be more unreasonable un his part than to
divide. If he did not give him that assurance he saould
certainly take the sense of the house.
Lord J. RUSSELL said as his hon. friend had stated a
doubt whether he should divide the house, if he thought
proper to divide the house, he (Loral J. Ruesell) should be
ready to vote for going into committee, hut he supposed
the right hon. ga ntleman would expect that when they got
into committee they should not merely discuss the single
proposition thee might be before the house, but the whole
plan. The right hon. gentleman had told them what was
the state of the finances, and a hat would be the state of
the finances supposing his propositions be adopted. The
whole case must be before the committee. Ile certainly did
not find fault with the right hon. gentleman fur Laving
brought forward his plan fur the benefit of the man. be
certainly so far had redeemed his pledge.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said be hoped the right hon gentle-
man, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, would give an
answer. Oo the answer of the right hon. sentinels
would depend a considerable number of votes on that fide
'of the house. Ile had no wish to divide with the host.
member for Finsbury, if he was mistaken in his view with
regard to what was said on a former occasiun by the right
, hon. gentleman (Mr. Disraeli), but he said it was as
insult to that house and to the country, if it was to
be dealt with—(foed cries of "oh," and " divide," amid
which the remainder of the sentence was lost.) Ile begged
to inform the hon. member for Sunderland that at this
early period of the evening, when be had no excuse for in-
terrapting, he ought not to interrupt. He really thought
it was an insult to the house and the country if they were
told that a budget was to be brought in, and that unless
every item was agreed to by the house, the ministry would
stand or fall by. the budget. Ila called ou the right hon.
gentleman to give an answer to the question. Übe mused
he hoped his bon friend the member for Finsbury would
not withdraw his motion ; and he hoped that there would
be a sufficient number of gentlemen in the house who
would show by their votes the opinion they entertained of
the conduct of her :Majesty's ministers on this occasion.
Mr. HUDSON then 1..),C amidst much laughter. As
Non as silence had been in some measure restored the hoe.
tleman said—Sir, having been personally alluded to—
hter)—by the hon. anal gallant member fur Middle-
leo, get up to answer the imputation he has cast upon
Me. (Laughter.) I can understand the hon. gentleman—
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Want amusement)—end the hon. gentlemen, or any other
Sul ought to be ashamed of himself to make use of such
language. (Roan of laughter.) I tell the hon. gentle-
man that there is no man more ready to meet an imputa-
tion than myself; and tell him that lam ready to meet
him here or elsewhere. (Immense laughter, and which
lasted fur some moments.) I litre now done with the
hon. gentleman. (Laughter.) I sun sure that we have
always had feelings of friendship towards each other—
(t Oh, oh " and laughter)—and I am rather sorry that he
should hate cast such an imputation upon me. [Mr.
B. Osborne—l accept your apology.) I hope that he won't
again indulge in such statements. (Laughter.) Mr. Hudson
proceeded to observe that he wished to :address himself to
the main question. (Loud cries of "oh! ") Ile thought
that when an hon. gentleman made a counter motion, he
was bound to divide. He (Mr. Hudson) was prepared to
go to • division, and he hoped that the hon. gentleman
would not withdraw his motion. .

Mr. 111./ME reminded the house that the right hon.
gentleman (the Chanceller of the Exchequer) had asked
for a question upon which to take a vote upon the whole
policy of the government; but that that vote world not
bind each individual member as to every item of the
budget. The house would have to go into committee upon
eves). separate branch of the hnaneie I statemen•.—u;son the
malt tax, the house duty, the tea duty, and the rest—and
then hon. members would have an opportunity of propos-
ing any amendment or alterations they pleased-. Ile !eg-
ged therefore to suggest that the proper course would he to
go at once into a committee of ways and weans ; and that
his hon. friend would either he delaying the business, if he
prowl' his motion. (Hear, hear.)
' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had not
answered the question of the hon. and gallant member tot
Middlesex, because he had really thought that there was 3
pretty general understanding in the house us to the coarse
which they should take. Ile certainly had not said that ths
government would stand or fall by ev:.ry vote in a
committee of was. and means. lie should have thought
that it would have been extremely arrogan• to have said any
ouch thing. If the principles on which the budget was
founded were not sanctioned, why then the whole would
fell by any vote that should prove fatal to these principles.
He would illustra'e this—though he felt thet he was irk*
gular—(cheers) —by the case of the income 13%, which had
been adverted to several times. ,There wo. in the policy
recommended by government, the principle of no iliMg
difference betwi en permanent and precarious incomes.
If the house did not sanction that principle he should think
it fatal to the 'chem..; but he would nut presume to ques-
tion the right of the committee to deal with its details.
(Hear, hear.) So, again, as to their first axe. lie collet-
dered the extension of the house ttx to be a principle os
which the government ought to stand. Ile should be me-
wed also to state the reasons why he thought the details
e had proposed were the best; but it would be the utmost
arrogance in the government not to listen to the urganienta
of the committee as to the details. (Hear, hear.) He
hoped that this explanation would be as frankly received s
it had been given. (Cheers.)
Mr. DONCOM BE said that under the circumstances
and after the explanation they had just heard, be should
not trouble the house to divide. (Cheers.)
The house then resolved itself lido a committee of W.lx
and Means.

TIIE noun TAX.
The CHAIRMAN read the tint rtoolution, Which 'A
is follows:

" That from and utter the sth day of April, IS 't,
duties granted rind made payable by the .k.g 14 & 15 Va.,
cap. 36, upon inhabited dwelliog-houses in Welt Br tun,
according to the annual value thereof, shall cease and de'
(ermine, and in lieu thereof there shall be gusted an 1