The Express.
London, England, 1852-02-28 00:00:00

BILL.

Mr. BROTH ERTON, referring to the adjourned debate
on the second reading of this bill, which stood in tho paper
as a " dropped order," said he proposed to take it on an
early day after the adjournment. It had been postponed on
• former occasion because the members of the government
were not in the house, and the same reason applied now.
Mr. GIBSON hoped that when the bill did come on it
would be discussed on its merits. He was sure that could
not be done now. Therefore, he hoped his hon. friend
would lx it for some day after the adjournment.
Mr. BROTHER'fON named the ltith March.

Mr. ORISON suggested that it should be on a Wed-
nesday.
Mr. BROTHERTON consented, and named Wednesday,
the 17th of March.
ADJOURNMENT OF TILE HOUSE.—THE
MAY NOOTH QUESTION.

Mr. F. MACKENZIE moved that the house, at its
rising, should adjourn till Friday, the 12th of March.
Mr. lILTME said he understood the adjournment was
'imply to allow time for the return-of the ministers. He
thought an adjournment till Monday, the Bth, would have
been sufficient. At all events, the returns might all be
completed in a firtnight ; but before this motion was agreed
to, he hoped members would be allowed to present their pe-
titions,
many of them having bad petitions by them for
several days. cllear, hear.)
' Mr. MACKE.NZIE said his motion was that the house,
at its rising," should adjourn till the day he had named.
Mr. SPOONER said he did not rise to oppose the mo-
tion, but to make some remarks on a question in same men•'
sure personal to himself, though not entirely so. At the
last meeting of the 114tISC he had given notice of his inten-
tion to postpone his motion on the subject of the Maynooth
endowment until an early day after Easter. That an-
nouncement had been received in a very unequivocal man-
ner by hon. gentlemen opposite, who seemed to infer that
he bad altered his plan. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.)
Ile would put the hon. gentlemen out of their misery on
that point. tie had not ahem: his opinion ; he hail not
altered his determination; and ho saw no reason why he
should do so. Ile .2ertainly did not expect to receive any
opposition from the government. Ile knew not what
course they might take; but it would be quite con-
trary to his expectation if they opposed his motion.
In the very last ',salon, Lord Derby, then Lord Stan-
,ley, had teed these words in the House of Lords:
" 1 donut hesitate to say that we ought now to consider,
fully and deliberately, diapassiotiately and temp,
ratelv, but at the same time firmly, the whole of
the iliffieult qui stion of the relations in which the Roman
eathidie sable, ts of this country stand to the crown."
(Hem, he ir.) Ile (Mr. Spooner) only asked for inquiry,
and an inquiry grounded upon the fact that the relations of
the Winton catholic. to the crown stood in a very different
position 1101 V to what they did a short time ago. Hr hail
opposed Sir It. Peel's motion for thu endowment of May-
nouth, and had therefore nu difficulty in askiug that that
endowment should cease. Ile thought these who had sup-

ported it after the conduct of the Roman catholic hierarchy
and priests last year, would be inclined now to take the
same view of the question as he did.
Mr. ANSTEY rose to order. He submitted that the hon,
gentleman was not in order in bringing on the question of
Maynooth, and all the incidental questions connected with
it, on a motion that the Mien at its rising should adjourn
till that day fortnight.
The SPEAKER said that the hon. member would not
be in order in making any motion in reference to the May_
math question ; but on the question that the house at it.
rising do adjourn to a particular day, any hon. member lead
a tight to make a statement ; and it was on motions of that
kind that hon. members generally took the opportunity of
doing so. In fact, the adjournment of the house was fre-
quently moved for that purpose.
Mr. SPOONER said he conceived the hon. and learned
member mast have been well aware of that; for uu liuse
member had taken more liberties on the !notion fur ad-
journment than he had dune himself. The object of the
endowment of Maynooth was to provide ministers of the
Roman catholic religion better inatructeal and more kindly
disposed towards the state. Had that object been fulfilled
Certainly nut. The late Sir It. Peel, ii, eroiso.ing this en-
dowment on the 3rd of June, DSO, had said—" I cannot
agree that the system of education carried on at Maynooth
is a matter of indifference to the legislature. I think the
system pursued there is a legitimate subject fur the coo-
sideration of parliament, and that it would be an abandeni-
ment of duty were the House of Commons to avow a doc-
trine which would allow it to nay to the Roman catholic
professor, "Ilere is your money—we are pledged to grant
it; do with it as you please; inculcate, if you choose,
dextrines subversive of order and injurious to mu.
rality, but with that we cannot interfere:* if,
(Mr. Spooner) did not anticipate opposition from the
Roman catholic gentlemen themaelven. Knowing many of
them intimately us he did, he was sure they were ignorant
of the doctrines taught, the principles inculcated, the books
used in the college of Mayuouth. If they did but give
themselves the trouble to inquire, instead of taking fur
granted that their private were right, there was not one of
them but would cry out to have that system radically
purged and brought into that state in which honourable,
honest, and independent men would wish to see it. Since
giving notice of his intention to bring this subject before the
house, it had been his duty accurattly to examine, dili-
gently to search into the system of education carried on at
Maynootk ; and he found that that system not only incul-
cated doctrines subversive of order, and injurious to
morality, but doctrines completely antagonistic to the word
of Ood. (" Oh," and question.) lie would only attri-
bute that cry of question to hon. gentlemen wincing
at assertion, which they could not possibly contradict.
Ile repeated that Maynooth taught doctrines completely
antagonistic to the holy word of G.l. Oh, oh !")
He would prove, when the inquiry took place, that it put
the priest in the place of that (" Oh, oh !") It incul-
cated doctrines so horrible in themselves, that if the nation
gave its money, authority, and weight to support that
system of education, it would commit a great mitioaal sin,
which if persisted in, would eittaioly draw down upon us
a great national judgment. lie might be called a bigot,
or dempised ; but he would nut flinch from his duty. He
was prepared to prove every word he had *tiered ; and he
was fully determined to bring forward his motion. lie
had thought it fair to wait and see what the government
did, feeling that it would not be right for him to interfere,
if the ministers were ready and willing to take the matter
up. But when the house met alter Easter, he most un-
doubtedly should bring this question under consideration on
the first opportunity. Ile had been asked by the hen.
member for Tralee whether he meant to bring for-
ward the two motions which stood in his name. Tho
first was general; the second was a distinct and particular
notice. Ile had given the first because he had hot then
made up his mind as to the precise form in which be
should submit it. Ile now meant to ask the house for a
committee to inquire into the system of education carried
on at Maynooth ; and he pledged himself to prove that the
expressions he had used and the opinions he had given were
founded on fact and could not be controverted. Ile was
determined not to flinch from this; if lie did so, he should
feel that he was guilty of the conduct denounced by his
Redeemer—" Whosoever denieth me before men, him will
I deny in the kingdom of my father in heaven."
Mr. ANSTEY said that when the hon. member com-
menced his long discourse he had hoped he was about, at
the eleventh hour, to repent of his weakness and withdraw
his motion, ur else that he would propose that the house,
instead of adjourning for a fortnight, should sit de di, is
dice* to investigate Dens's Theology and other matters.
Now, it appeared the hon. gentleman would not even gone
with the motion at all, but waisted to leave it to the go-
vernment.

Mr. SPOONER said he had distinctly stated that le
should bring forward his ruction after Easter.
Mr. ANSTEY said the hon. gentleman, at all events,
had retreated from one of his motions—that for the with-
drawal of the grant. If he would bring forward that mo-
tion, be (Mr. Anstey) would move an amendment to repeal
every other religious endowment created out of public
sources. (Hear, hear.) He knew that there were many
on both sides the house—protestants as well as catholies—
who would vote fur this. (Hear, hear.) Whether the
hon. gentleman was in order in uttering the maledictions
that he bud used, and in making the reference he had
done to the second person in the Holy Trinity, might be
doubted ; at all events, it was not in grad taste. (Hear,
hear.) But perhaps it was the best course for theism. gen-
tleman and others on the opposite tenches to have as mush
rope as possible. (Laughter.)
After a few words from Mr. 11. Gitarrs:‘,
Mr. NE WDEDATE stated that there was no truth in a
rumour that a difference had occurred between Lord Derby
and some of his supporters on the subject of Maynooth, but
he believed his hon. friend Mr. Spooner intended to bring
forward the question on his own responsibility.
Mr. B. OSBORNE had remarked that the moment May-
nooth wee mentioned the new Secretary of the Treasury
(Mr. Hamilton) made a speedy exit from the house. The
hon. gentleman had a motion on the paper in reference to
the system of national education in Ireland, and he (Mr.
Osborne) was anxious to know what course he intended DOW
to take in regard to it, in consequence of his altered posi-
tion. If that motion were brought forward he would meet
it by an amendment, declaring that any further inter
ference by the clergy of the established church with the
national system of education would obstruct education, pro-
mote religious discord, and increase agitation.
Mr. E. hi. ROCHE thought there could be no doubt,
from their past conduct, that the new ministry were hostile
to Roman catholic liberty in Ireland. lie hoped Mr. Spooner
would bring on his motion as early so possible, that the
question might be solved.
Mr. EWART suggested that Mr. Spooner should give
notice at once of the day ou which he would bring on his
motion.

Mr. SPOONER, however, made no response, and the sub-
ject dropped.
The motion for the adjournment till the 12th proximo
was then carried.
NOTICES OF MOTION.

SUPPLY 01. COALS TO TILE 00% ERNMENT.
Mr (1. THOMPSON to inute,ou Wednesday, March 17,
for the appointment of a select committee to inquire into
certain alleged frauds in the supply of coals by contract to
her Majesty's dockyards and public office,.

CIiFFE-STREET SAVINGS BANK.
Mr. REYNOLDS, on the 18th of March, to more for an
address to the crown praying for compensation to the depo-
sitors in the Cuffe-street Savings-bank.

NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND.

....
Mr. B. OSBOICIE to move. u a modification of the mo-
tion of Mr. Hamilton on the subject of the national system
of education in Ireland, that any further interference by
the clergy of the established church with that system would
obstruct education, promote religious discord, and iucre.oe
agitation in Ireland. (Hear.)