The Express.
London, England, 1855-03-09 00:00:00

lades presented six petidose an_
gm MOW of Derby. Lnee leMa,
IMO s Mil upon the same eet A,
biM 11111111 • it was rey4 • i Mooed time, eft.
to a melt esLiollttoei wit/ the nesiestof the sable
new the !em of the government, whole net commit hien-
Mete en of the bill, but who thought, se gnat
nnelibeee *ewers ender the impression that they
inibeed a and an injustice, they were entitled to
as Inquiry. inquiry was retracted during the session,
left bee* esanufaeture was not oven approached by
♦Bttessomilteih As 11111/Mlll somber of petitions sew
Webs me of grievance was still mistre
=lasi:4 Naas
. The petitions on this matter had bees
by nearly 40,000 persons. He proposed now to la
literally the same bill as last seism. The people elms
pinned of their low earnings and extremely degrees=
ilition occasioned by the eztravagent
from 'their wages by. their employan:Villsby the
middlemes between their employers and thentieless.
stated that these stoppages were arbitrary, somertain,ria%
a:maim—that they were governed by no rule, that they
differed in amount at different times and in different plum;
and that they were entirely irrespective of the material de.
livered, since the full stoppage, for rent of the kettles less'
dame had to be paid when materials were delivered,
Ili ball work, or for a small proportion only ;
Wien of stopping wages were unlimited, and were used
• means of competition among the masters, UMW*"
filet of depressing wages throughout the Use', the IBMS
mespoiese of the employers underselling Whew, sad
Semeefilgag • general reduction of wages. They stated
that the amount of these redaction was 40 or 100
Iper cent. on the value of the frames upon which they
were levied; and that, by opening a source of gain not
proportioned to the work required, but to the number of
frames employed, it became the intereet of the employers to
collect the great ossible number of workmen without
reference to whatest they:pwanted ; that the employers thus took
advantage of the distress of parents and of the helplessness of
oung persons, to collect numbers together, not in well regu-
lated
factories under proper control and superintendence, but
in the shops of the middlemen, with no discipline and no care
of morals or health ; that insane parts of the manufacture,
this opportunity of making unfair profits prevented the
most economical mode of working in large establishments
under due superintendence from being adopted, whilst in
other branches of the manufacture, which were suited to the
domestic condition, it substituted the middlemen's shops for
the wholesome mode of working in the holies. They
stated the good effects that would result from the bill of
last year, in relieving the framework knitters from the de-
pendant condition in which they were, and in placing the
instruments of their trade within their reach, wh
they could be obtained by hire or purchase, at the fair
market price. These representations wen not made only
by the workmen, but last session some petitions were pre•
seated, setting forth the same view, from some of the prin-
cipal masters. The case had been pleaded at the provincial
omits es different occasions, and, at the suggestion of the
aemm;arthey made an appeal to the Court of Queen's
r e, they
whether this practice, being is
het a payment of wages otherwise than In money,
did not come within the prohibitions of the Truth
Ant. The ease was argued before Lord Deanna,
whees judgment, unfortunately, was not favourable
to the workmen. It appeared that the facts were very ha-
Tombs:dr laid before his lordship, so that he was under a
mistake as to the nature of the practice. The object of the
bill which he (Sir H. Ilalford) would propose was to bring
those stoppages of wages within the Truck Act, which,
looking to the consistency of our legislation, he thought
there should be no objection to do.
Sir G. GREY said he felt bound to offer his opposition to
this bill. The hon. member said the object was that there
should be a full isquiry as to whether there should be
legislation on the subject. Now he must say the proper
course to be taken, if the house thought it was not in pee-
session of sufficient information, would be to institute the
inquiry first, and, as he said last year, not allow the bill to
he brought i said read &mud time, affirming the principle,
when they at the same time they were uncertain
whether the principle ought to be affirmed or not. lie be-
lieved that what they were attempting to do by this bill
was altogether impracticable. He was pee kiss
of
the bill of lest year, and he understood this
to be the same. It was proposed to regulate
by tot of parliament the price to be paid for
frames, end thereby. to regulate the price of labour.
He believed that was impracticable. If any further inquiry
were proposed into the grievances of these people, he should
have no objection. The house read the bill a second time
last year, avowegly.with the object of sending it to a select
calamities for inquiry. The committee sat tall the end of
the session, and made no report, but recommended that
they should be re-appointed early in the present session.
If the house thought fit to accede to that recommendation,
be had no objection.
The house divided—
Ayes 5B
Noes
The motion was therefore lost.
THE BALTIC EXPEDITION.
Mr. MALINS rose in pursuance of notice to call the at-
tention of the house to the naval operations in the Baltic,
under the command of Vice-Admiral Bir C. Napier. (The
gallant admiral was present, and occupied • seat below the
bar during the debate.) The hon. and learned member said
that he had had considerable hesitation in bringing the sub-
ject before the house ; but it involved considerations of such
importance with regard to the honour of public servants,
god with respect to the discretion of the government, that
tastily been requested to bring it forward, he had not felt
himself at liberty to decline the task. The house was well
aware of the circumstances under which Sir Chas. Napier
was appointed to the commend of the fleet in the Baltic
rather more than • year ago. It was fa the month of Fe-
bruary, 18.51, that the government determined to equip a
Beet for the Baltic, • fleet which was universally admitted
to have been the finest that ever left the shores of Great
Britain; and they then proceeded to execute the task which
it was so imps ratively their duty to perform, namely, to select
for the command the most distinguished officer that could be
found. At that time the Admiralty war presided over by the
right boa baronet, the member for Carlisle (Sir J. Graham),
sad the present prime minister was the Home Secretary.
I Upon the right hon. baronet the duty of selecting the admiral
principally devolved ; and the nation received, certainly
with great approbation, the announcement that Sir Charles
Napier had been designated to the command. The govern-
ment of that day felt so proud of their selection that the
, Immo would **member the appointment of Sir Charles
Naples was celebrated by a dinner, to which be would only '
now advert for a single purpose. The propriety of that '
dinner had already been fully discussed, and he (Mr.
Mains) did sot think it his duty to renew that dismount ;
but still he felt bound not to pass the proceedings by altoge-
ther without notice. The dinner wen presided over by the I
noble lord, now the prime minister; and it was attended '
by the right hon. baronet (Sir J. Graham), by another •
member of the government, the Chief Commissioner of
Works (Sir W. )dolasworth), and by a great number ol '
hon. members sitting on the other aids of the house. '
He (the hon. and learned gentleman) now iskered to the 1
subject merely for the sake of those exprMelsae of '
tion at the appointment of the gallantsdmiesl, is which the 1
noble viscount and the right hon. be *sett Waled The
noble lord (Lord Palmerston) at the osesimiss et /1411.epeseb
said : " My gallant feted having bed the geed het... to
succeed in all his operatiose, we have geed ,e to bops
that he will be as successful in future se le Ms bees is 1
times cwt; and, as bearing upon that paint, 1 meson m '
train from repeating an observation which woe made to tee
by a very discriminating and calm-minded friend of al
who pawed some time in the East at the period to whicln
am adverting. He saw a good deal of my gallant friend,
and when he came home he came to me to give me en ac-
count of what be thought would be interesting (considering
the position I then held). of what he had observed in the
East. When I mentioned the gallantry and daring of my
friend, he said Yes, all that is very true ; but there Is
another quality whisk Napier possesses which is as valuable
as either of these, and as important an ingredient in success.
w a man in my life who calculated so many moves
betorehand.' (Hera, hear.) Now when a man calculates
his moves beforehaad, sad has the spirit to carry out those
moves which bas been exhibited by my gallant
friend, I thiak that any country may safely
OMNI its fate and fortunes in his hands, and I feel
amdidart that he will not betray them." (Hear, hear.)
'lfs lips hes. baronet (Sir J. Graham) spoke in • st.ll mon
lefty strata. He said :—" I will not weigh the precise ingre-
dients of valour. My gallant friend was distinguished for
remarkable dariag and bravery; but even then, at that
ally period of his career, he evinced the possession of the
qualities which my noble friend ascribed to him at • later
period—that is to say, he was always able to look several
moves before him, and he was, in my humble judgment,
sot oaly a gallant, but I must lso add he exhibited the
qualities of • discreet commandera. Moor, hear) He hes
my satire confidence. I have rejoice- in the opportunity,
es es great an occasion, of commending him to the appro-
Mem and choice of my sovereign, and the selection 1
beim to be one that will be approved Ay mestry. I
%O is m art it approved of by his p sad Whoh
Mal UMW may be changed, yet he goes sommeader,os
set of a body of pressed nue, but of welnatesee, sal tbill
O all nee axial things may have Owed, there
as sem *lap Aids are still assitasged, sad
alledZordhles esesslcte allastry of our MINIM sad
to which is by
IN fr ond. does not go feel" under
deal moose of conducting a Minims war,
Stae
ailiforthantoceordfato
pothweeri,ndanerCer=tof,
lEhousgoe:ucto.
, as lawless a spirit of aggrandisement as ever db.
ruler of any country. My gallant friend says
Crieden he gets lam the Bane he will declare war. Now
I„ se Tint Lord of the Admiralty, give him my free con-
sent. I hope that that war may be short and sharp; act),
being entreated to his bands, 1 as sure it will be decisive.
And thee we reformers—although polities are secluded
from the naval profusion—maybe proud that the British
in both is the Beams and Baltic has bees scalded
to two sock thespians as Dundee sad Napier . (Great
laughter sad cheers.) I know that they will be tree to
their wintry to the ldistaat when ast extremity ; but I hope that th
time may not be far you may perhaps kindly
invite me to esiebeste the ennui of my gallant friend.
(Loud laughter.) This evening is a happy augury, sad
when nest we meet, I hope it will be to cele-
brate his brilliant success." (Laughter and choirs )
Now, would anybody have supposed, that *bomb on the 7th
of March, 1064, the gallast admiral was thus proclaimed to
Europe Ind the world as the fittest mu that could be frond

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gp awake the MOM et toCI, pt, wheelie' of
,eielft hie ler, err approbleffier of his
Asset emillithly sy sip * the commellesisal et
atMs hasend of beueebevited to meet the rhAt
eselleams at s Ilswiset to Wein* his
names, be sheohl be noshed by that right hon. pages=
with enteegt end enatm eelp. sad should be illemired
from his enemandl (Ohms) He (the him. sail leaned
sessibet) Wire& that the been mould En stub shes MW I&
:pollterosel this subject es arsenal %weeks sailing
the adeillsel. On the esateary, he ft for
es a quirt 's& in
the honour servants.
rad he trusted that the hone would agree .11,71 that the
lineament could not thus insult our hest public men and
our most gallant conemenden without impugning their own
character for that far sightednees which they were bound
Is poesese (Hear, hear.) Well, the pliant admiral hoisted
his flag and proceeded to the Baltic. After he arrived
thither, a cornspoadence took plan both of a public and
private chariots'. Letters were written to Sir C. Napier,
Meth by the Board of Admiralty and by the Fint Lord of
IneAdmiralty in his private, or rather his individual ea.
pesky. expensive of his most marked and unqualified ap-
probation of the gallant admiral's conduct from the day he
left Ragland down to, at all events, the month of Septem-
ber. Now when the house considered the difficulties with
which the pliant admiral had to contend—for, though his
Met was undoubtedly the finest that bad ever left these
agree, yet the Crews wen to a great extent raw and Indio-
*En* and the navigation of the seas to which they were
bawl was the most difficult in the world—when the house
somenehered how the gallant admiral surmounted all those
dlllieellies end kept his fleet entire, they would think that
he led dose all that tbs government could have expected of
Mime eud that he ought to have been received with honour
end treated in a meaner worthy of the position he occupied.
(Hear.) It was now necessary that be (Mr. Malins) should
Fehr to some of the letters written by the First Lord to the
Cadmiral • and he would at once anticipate an objec-
arehish might be made to his adopting that amine. It
'WO% be said that them were private letters. (Hear.) HAIG.
Mains) had attentively considered the question; and he
weld not regard as private a letter written from one public
slur to another oaths public service,and calculated to infiu
men the conduct of that public officer. Let him suppose a cue.
the First Lord, in his individual capacity, had
=le the Admiral and to bi not to delay attacking
Creneeeift beyond the Ist of Jane? Suppose, too, that the
Admiral, in consequence of that letter, and against his own
jadgment, did attack the place and fail, would it be held
that that was a private letter and that the officer was not
m justificationmelded ? (Hear, bear.) He
Oar. Kalish) could not subscribe to any such opinion. But
he bedaatitority upon this point. Some time ago it pleased
he* demon on the other side to appoint a committee,
wyM ked been called the Stafford Committee—a committee
that was to inquire into the conduct of an hon gentleman
who was a distinguished ornament of that (the opposition)
side of the house, with regard to his management of the
doekyards. The first question raised befon that com-
mittee was, whether letters written by Lords of the
Admiralty, by the Secretary to the Admiralty, and all
sorts of persons in their individual capacity were
to be considered as private itommunications ? It was
decided by that committee, which was presided
over by a very distinguiahed authority, the noble lord the
member for Tetnes (Lord Seymour), the, than 'run should
be read ; aad fUrthelr, that no person under examination
should be allowed 10 protect with regard to any
eonversatiou that might have taken place between himself
and any public servant by the plea that it was a private con.
venation. He (hir. Malin) thought, therefore, that be
had very high authority for saying that the letters to which
be was about to refer ought not to be coasidered as private.
(Hear, hear.) With respect to those letters he might here
remark, that he had examined them very attentively, and
that he should very carefully avoid reading anything that
might give intelligence to the enemy. It would be remem-
bered that Sir Charles Napier left England in the
middle of Mann. In • letter of 10th of Apri
the right honourable baronet (Sirthe J. Graham) said,l
that be was entirely satisfied with the proceedings of the
pliant admiral, and that he relied on the gallant admiral's
prudence not to knock his head against stone walls, pre-
maturely, or without a fair prospect of such an advantage
as would compensate for the inevitable loss of such a step.
This prudent advice, however, was subsequently departed
from. if it was proper at any time to attack stone walls it
was surely in spring ; but when winter had set in, and
hurricanes might be expected, then the Admiralty entirely
altered their course, and they wished the "anent admiral to
attack the forts at that improper season. (Hear, hear.) In
a letter of the Ist of Hay the right hon. baronet (Sir
J. Graham) said that he had a gnat respect for atone
walls, and had no fancy for running screw line-et-battle
ships against them. He begged the gallant admiral not,
because people at a distance were foolhardy, to risk the
safety of his &et. He expressed an opinion that both of
two places he named were impregnable from the sea, and
more especially Sweab3urg, unless there was a large land
force to co-operate with the fleets; and he concluded by
hoping that the gallant admiral would not foil in the &ablest
duty of a commander, namely, to do what he knew was
right, at the risk of being accused of doing wrong. (Cheers.)
He (Mr. litalins) did not read these passages for the purpose
of blaming the right bon, baronet. On the contrary, he
thought it sound advice both for the Fint Lord to give, and
for the admiral to follow. (Hear, hear.) What he did
complain et was the conduct of the government to the
admiral, because having adhered to their prudent advice
during the summer and part of the autumn, he did not, at
their suggestion, think fit to depart from it when winter
bad set in. (Hear, hear.) On the 9th of May the right
hon. baronet wrote I hope that Bomanund, at all
events, will be assailable." On the 15th he cautioned
him that no such experiments must be tried if the Rai-
sins oud not come out of their harbours but con-
tinuedw lto sculk behind the batteries of their forts.
It was made a matter of reproach to the Entrees by the
right bon. baronet tha they would not coe out and give
battle on the open seat but if they had dons so, Sir Charles
Napier was there ready to meet them. On the 20th of Jane
the gallant admiral received a letter from the First Lord, in
which the right hon. baronet said that he was pleased
with all the gallant admiral's operations ; and re-
commended him, if the Russians would not came
ont to meet him, to return below Helsingfors.
Again, on the 26th of August, the right hon. gentleman
wrote—„ lam more than satisfied with your proceedings.
I am delighted with the prudence and sound judgment
you have evinced." That correspondence very distinctly
showed that, from the time of Admiral Napier leaving
England, down to the end of August, he received the re-
potted and unqualified approbation of the government.
(Hear hear.) He would :proceed to see whether anythingl
bad Uken place to disentide the gallant officer to the same
absolute and unqualified approbation. Of count, he would
set") into details ; he would mention no particulars which
amid give information to the enemy. The Admiral bad
been directed to make a report on the practicability of at-
tasking Sweabourg ; and on the 20th of June, be made a
report to the government and enclosed with it a report,
Namwith his own, of a very distinguished officer,l
Chins. They both ageed ia • particular
Mk of attacking
that fortress, end •said, that
if per means were afforded them, aced if the
were made at a proper season of the year,
*eiy bad no doubt whatever as to the saner of that
aperetre• But they both agreed that it should be at the
season of the year, and that that season should not
=end the autumn. the attack en Boannund then
were present the French fleet. the French army, and the
English fleet. On the 4th of September the French army
sailed from the Baltic to return to France ; and the French
fleet remained only till the 19th of September. But in the
middle of September the Admiralty were desirous of know-
lig the opinion of the English aad French admirals upon
thepeeticability of attuning the great port of Sweaborg.
Amordingly, Sir Charles Napier was directed to have a
mlaferenes between himself and the French admiral, to con-
sider what should be done. A plan bad been submitted to
the government by a distinguished engineer officer, Gen.
Pens; also by a distinguished French engineering officer,
General Neil; and the English and French admirals were
desired to hold a conference, and to take those plans into
so deration. Accordingly, a conference or consultation
was held on board the Duke et Wellington, the adral's
ship, on the 12th of September. It was attended byteee
English admirals, and by the admiral and vice-admiral of
the French fleet. They considered theee reports, and gave
their opinion im WNW, which was forwarded by Sir
Cheers Napier to the Admiralty ; end they all unanimously
concurred n this, that the season of the year was too late to
allow such an operation to be justifiable then. A single
pessege in that report was to the effect that the season of
the year rendered it entirely impracticable. That was en
the 12th of September. After that the Admiralty, feeling
ea anxietyN end on this subject, again wrote to Sir Charles
requested that a second consultation should be
be*. Upon receiving that letter, Sir Charles again wrote
to the French admiral, requesting his attendance leggin on
baud the Duke of Wellington. The French admiral ds
slimed to attend a second conference. (Hear, hear.) He
arra, in answer to Sir Charles's letter, that be had already
Elds opinion, that his mind wee made up on the sub-
tend that he declined to attead a second conference.
was on the 18th of September, and on the 19th ;he
Free& fleet returned to France. Therefore, after
the 19th of September the poCtion of Sir Charles
Napa was most materially altered. The French
army bad arrived there en the middle of June.
He had had from an earlier period the powerful
assistance of the French fleet ; the former left on the 4th
September ; the latter on the 10th. He was thus reduced
to is own fleet All would agree that if Sir Charles
Napier, with the English fleet alone, was strong enough to
any on any great operations in the Baltic, after the return
of the French fleet, it was • very unneessaary thing
fee the Fronk army and the French fleet to go
to the Bade at ell. The great operations in
the Baltic well this *performed • they remained so to
thationr. Oreestadt had sot lee; taken ; Swisher' had
sot bees takes; sad though Bontarsand had been de
=do= was
leisessteredbistuya, gist op:ratio% by Sir
jy,ps_luubtsdly, th. great opivatious had
psi. he Asa, in order that ey might be
rinfleilated with oneelees it was certainly aim
oat prudent
411intbst these opmerdese. whatever they were, should be
isitelehes with the wafts pail* feria, both naval and
mei while the mobbed ash of the two nations
gni ft the Bahia Tbe Pies* admiral declined
is dim' a meted eorshiterie. eir Charles Napier,
rusks;, set Win able le empty li*ally with
161 lareleMieas of ski goveinsasst, did what be
Ibis& Ihe ant beet_ this, be ealled a sonten or co&
eff lie S. edeiMo. Os the 19th or 20th of
tia_lbomemes immell bold oa beard the Doke oi
szarbllas of Charles Napier &ad three
4161—atirals, two of WINS had outmoded the *soon

erieb Ad Womb adages's, Lod
se* Igg one who had n bees cen-
egs, Medea Ryan o Martin. Theyot
again coo-
sideted We plea Wit attacking Sweaborg ; and they case
Weakaeady to Ike eareelnuon " that the season of the
hex late le rosier any sue: °Medea *tillable'
apies had been direciod to make • second
of Sweaborg. He have sent home, on the
SOW Orissa, a detailed gen for the attack of that fortress—
a-iforeekeleo of Admiral Chad*, agreeing with him—which I
pins, if adopted, they felt no doubt would be suecessful.
And it was only due to Sir Charlie Napier to say, that
ft appeared the very plans be submitted to the government
on the 20th of June were now being adopted to the very
letter—the plan of the government being to tend out
this spring a fleet under another admiral to do the very
things recommended by Admiral Napier. He stated, on
the 20th of June, that provided that plan were
carried out he had no doubt whatever of arc-
am On the 26th September, having only hie own
fleet at command, he made this second reoonnaisaace of
Sweaborg ; and he communicated to the Admiralty a plan
by which it might be attacked. This was the point upon
which the difference between the Admiralty and Sir C.
Napier bad arisen. He could not read that report in detail
to the house ; but many members had seen it ; many more
would do so ; and it was impossible for any one to read it
without seeing that Bir Charles submitted to the govern-
mint two distinet plans for attacking that fortress—the one
of which he said wee uncertain of success. but the other be
considered certain to succeed. But with regard to both he
expressed this opinion, " Either, at this moon of the leer,
is impracticable, when you cannot dip nd up in the weather
for two hours ; and I do not knew how many of the ships
might be lost." However the government beiog under the
impression that Sobastupoehad fallen, nothing would do but
that some forums in the Baltic must fall too. If they could
only take Sweaborg or Cronstsdt, or some other great
fortress in the Baltic, the government could have come
before parliament with a success unparalleled, and
the country would have been satisfied that such a
ministry never existed. However, the admiral did not
concur in that view; he remonstrated. The French and
English admirals had told the government in September
that it was too late for any great operation ; and
everyone knew that September in that region was equivalent
to November here, that October there was like December
awe, and that the navigation was the most dangerous in the
weld. In answer to the observation of Sir Charles,
that the weather could not be calculated on for two hours,
die government wrote to him, " You may choose your day
end your opportunity." H was a board of Admiralty,
elm. of them naval officers, s gin Whitehall, writing to
We admiral In the Baltic to carry on a great operation
against a Russian fortress, at a time when be had told them
truly that he could not depend on the weather for two
hours—" You may choose your day and your opportunity."
' (Hear, hear.) This was not a private letter from the first
lord ; it was a letter from the Board of Admiralty to the
admiral. If men in business lad been so forgetful of the
eiscumstaners with which they had to deal, disaster and ruin
might be expected to fall upon everything they under-
book. As though to put an end to all doubt, they
added, " The attack may be made towards the end of
Oetober." Having been told that the middle of September
was toe late, they now told the admiral, with his diminished
force, that the attack might be made towards the end of
October, " with the least danger of an attack from the Rus-
sians at Cronstadt." What would the house think when
he told them the ground of that ? It happened that be-
tween the freezing up of Cronstadt and of Sweaborg the re was
usually an interval of 12 or 14 days • ' and he was to choose
some flue morning in that fortnight to commence this opera-
tion, when the Russian fleet being frosen up in one place,
he might attack the other. (Hear, hear.) These things
would appear perfectly incredible if merely narrated; but
when in the form of correspondence, signed by the Secre-
tary to the Admiralty and by the Lords of the Admiralty,
there was no longer any reason to doubt. Could it be
wondered at, under these circumstances--Sir C. Napier
having pledged his professional opinion that even the
middle of September was too late, and finding himself
goaded by the government to do impracticable end unsafe
things, things which he pledged his opinion if be had done
he should have left the fleet behind him—that ea the
10th of October he wrote to the government to state
that, in eonsequence of this correspondence, he felt that he
had lost the confidence of the government, and that be was
perfectly ready to resign his command and to return home ?
At the same time he said that he would not be urged, by
any opinion prevailing at home, to undertake operations
which were impracticable or unsafe—that he had the honour
of England committed to his charge in that fleet—and that,
in accordance with the advice given to him by the right
hoe. gentleman during the spring end summer, be had re-
frained from entering on au impracticable enterprise in the
winter. (Hear, lieu.) If the papers were produced, it
would be found that the whole difficulty between Sir C.
Napier and the government had originated in what he de-
signated their goading him on to these operations in Oc-
tober. lie remonstrated ; tend this lad to a correspondence.
Everybody knew the great ability of the right hon. baronet,
and no wonder that the correspondence was conducted with
ability on his side; but the gallant admiral also evinced very
high ability, and showed that he was as capable of protect-
ing himself with his pen as the nation believed him to be
capable of protecting them with the fleet. The correspond-
ence certainly bordered on an ang7 one,but there was nothing
in it to justify the government in treating Sir C. Napier as
having forgotten his duty. On the contrary, had they care-
fully considered the circumstances, they would have come to
the conclusion that Sir Charles had not only performed his
duty to the best of his ability, and refrained from entering
on any clap-trap undertaking to gain popularity in England,
but that he had evinced the very quality for which the
Prime Minister gave him credit, that of being able, more
than any other man, to calculate so malty moves beforehand.
(Hear, hear.) Instead of taking the first move suggested
to him by the right hon. baronet, he had calculated the
moves, and come to the conclusion that it would be a most
false and dangerous move. He saw further than the govern-
ment into the game; they ought to have given him credit
for doing so, and to have honoured him fur the advice he
gave, and for not acting on the imprudent advice which was
given to him. (Hear, hear) This correspondence conti-
nued from the 4th of October down to the 6th or 10th of
November ; and then the admiral expressed a desire that it
I should be brought to a tenninati ,n. On the 26th of
August, the right hon. baronet had told Sir C.
Napier—" We are more then satisfied with all your pro-
ceedings." Bomarsund had fallen en the 16th, and this i
was just nine days after. Therefore, for tr.s government to
attempt to nosey that, and to express disapprobation of any-
thing
which had takes place before the 25th August, wee a ~
most unworthy proceeding. If anything could sting a mili- ,
tiay or naval man to the quick, it was any reflection on the (
exercise of his discretion in commanding fleets or armies. I
(Hear, hear.) The true principle of carrying on war was .
this—to select a commander-in-chief for the army, or an ad- '
Weal for the fleet; to say to them, " There is the enemy • ,
yes know we desire him to be destroyed, or to be harassed
Ice every possible way; but the mode of doing this i
meet he left in your discretion." What would they say to 1
We lisentart for War, if it were found that he had written i
sotto Lord Raglan desiring him to take Sebastopol on the
km of April next ? (Cheers and laughter.) The govern-
1 meat wrote to Sir Cborles Napier at the end of October, I
telling bin that they were satisfied with his reasons for not
taking that fortress ; but, as if determined to have a quer- 1
rel with him, the letter contained this passage : " Cons'-
, &brag the conflict of authority contained in the different
meets naiad brought before them, their lordships cannot
e express satisfaction with the decision ,
telosailm‘los net to attack Sveaborg immediately after
the fall of Bentenun." He apealed to the holm whe-
Wes any commander-d p in-ebief could receive such a ;
letter as that without the greatest dissatisfaction— ,
whhout feeling that he no longer enjoyed the '
maldssee of the government ? This was a disapprobation li
et preaseftss of which they had previously approved.
We yeast Wen that Sir C. Napier should have felt great
diesatiefaction and that he should have expressed it. The
eurespondence virtually closed on the 10th of November.
Sir C. Napier landed at Portsmouth en the 17th of Dec.,
sad he immediately came up to London and had en inter-
view with the right hon. gentleman. Considering the
terms on which Sir C. Napier and the right hon. gentle-
man bad parted, the gallant admiral might naturally have
imputed a cordial reception from the right hon. gentleman
ea that occasion; and it would seem that the riga hon.
gentleman himself considered the gallant admiral entitled ,
te it from what he said when moving the navy estimates.
On that occasion—namely, on the 16th of February lod—
ate right honourable geotlemaa
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say at, on the whole, the operations tke Baltic appear
to me to deserve the approbation of the house. Bonarsund,
the most important naval position, fortified strongly, sad is 1
a manner which showed that there was an intention to easy 1
the fortifications to a much larger extent, has been der
sireyed. The naval arsenal clue to their capital was visited 1
by a force inferior to the force which they blockaded. Bemis ,
was frequently offered, but battle was declined. Up to the ,
last moment that the weather permitted their force was ,
blockaded by an inferior force. Never did an operation
display
_Roes seamanship or gallantry. Not a ship was ;
loot. Whatever defisieuses there may have been elsewhere, ,
the blockade of the Baltic at least has been conducted with ;
energy, skill, and gallantry ; and the pressure brought to 't
bear upon the enemy, you may depend upon it, ,
has not been alight." The right honourable ntle-
man further stated that Admiral Napier was wgehims; ,
dismissed nor censured. Now, be thought the right hos.
gentleman must have entirely forgotten what passed whoa
he made that statement, for when he read what took place Oa
that point, he thought the house would entertain no doubt
that he had been dismissed, and also censured. As to the
reception which the gallant admiral met with at the inter-
view on the 17th of December, be mast of Course rely upon
the statement which bed been made to him by
Sir Charles Napier; but he believed that statement to
be perfectly and strictly awarate. The gallant
' admiral assured him that the right hon. gentleman received
' him in a maw that was all but insulting, that be coldly
I held est Ids head, but said at once, " I duties to have any
Issavaliatitla with you en the subject of the operations."
The ohms admiral returned to his ship, the Doke of Wel-
fttene ea pie aims day. and he there received the following
letliss Ode* the 32nd of Feb., which letter, he submitted,
mialinented W a dismissal from his command. The letter
des esesbeilis times terms, and signed by R. Hand's and
W.Crewpeel "The Baltic fleet, on its return home, having
lima dispersed in the several harbours of Great Bejaia,
and part of it being under orders for swain in the
Black See and the Mediterranean, you are busby required
limed, to strike your flag and come on (Laughter.)
Such were the gradate and anew/aging terms in which
the meet distinguished naval olden of Great Britaia bad
been greeted on his return home from a great public
monies, whisk he c :educed to the entire satisfaction of the
'evenness& (Rear, hear.) That the gallant Odom should

ensprimd--tbat he should be more than surprmea—see.
he should be disgusted at the emptiest of such • communi-
cation, was but natural. He, however, took time to consider
what he should do, sad on the 26th of December, he wrote
the following letter :—" Sir,—l have the honour to acknow-
ledge the receipt of their lordship.' order directing me to
strike my flag, and with regard to the same I have to request
lof their lordships to inform me whether I am to consider
that my command is at an end." The letter of the 22nd of
February might have been couched is terms which were
customer, at the Admiralty, but all he could say was that
they were terms in which none of them would dismiss his
dontemic servant. (Hear, bear.) But he was mewed
that it was against all usage, and that when Sir
James Saumares returned with his fleet from the
Baltic, because it would have been unsafe to remain there
any longer, instead of being ordered to strike his flag and
come on shore, he was directed to bold the command till the
next season. Well, on the 26th of December, tie Admiralty
replied to Sir C. Napier of the 26th, and in this letter the
Admiralty thought fit to do that which they should have
done before—namely, to tender him some thanks. They
should have dons this when they wrote the letter telling
him to strike his flag and to some es shore. (Hear.) But
it was the misfortune of the government never to do the
proper thing in the proper time. (Hear, hear.) The tender
of thanks emus too late. The answer sent was as follows :
Sir,—With regard to your letter of yesterday's date I am
commanded by the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty
to acquaint you that the order you received to strike your
flag and to come on shore is always the termination of a
flag officer's command." (Hear, hear.) Yet, two months
after this letter had been written, the hon. and gallant mem-
ber for Gloucester told the house that the gallant admiral
had not been dismissed. (Hear, hear.) That statement
was repeated • week later by the right hon. gentleman.
Unless the government, amongst the other novelties which
they had introduced, were to introduce • new language also
in reference to the war, the meaning of the letter of the
22nd of December, adhering to the ordinary meaning of
language, was a dismissal, and the subsequent letter of the
26th declared that it was a dismissal. (Hear.) But the
letter went on to say—" I am directed by my lords to take
this opportunity"—(why not " that" bpportunity 2)—(hear, I
hear)—" of expressing to you the high sense their lordship
entertain of your exertions during the period of your service
in command of the Baltic fleet." This he called too late.
The Secretary of the Admiralty bad addressed the house 1
since this correspondence had taken place, and every
one could see from that speech that if he was
not then out of place he expected to be so soon—(hear,
hear)—for he told the house that there had been rank mis-
management of the army, but that no one could find fault
with the navy and the administntion of the Board of Ad-
miralty. When the hon. gentleman made that statement
they were not aware of this correspondence. If he had
known that the veil of secrecy would be lifted from it he
would have scarcely ventured to say that no one could find
fault with anything which had been done at the Admiralty.
(Hear, hear.) The hoc. and gallant officer the member for
Gloucester said that Sir Charles Napier had shown •
bad example to the fleet in making the speech he did
at the Mansion-house dinner. He (Mr. Melina) was
not going to defend the discretion of Sir Charles
Napier in making that speech. He thought he com-
mitted a mistake in going so far as he did. He was charged
with saying in that •peech that " the fleet was badly manned
and worse disciplined." That speech was made on the Bth
or 9th of February. But he found by the correspondence
that passed between December and the month before that
speech was made, that Sir C. Napier remonstrated with the
government because they had not given their approbation
to the officers serving ander him, to whom he was indebted
for the safety of the fleet, to whom and nation was indebted
for • disciplined fleet instead of aniaciplitied one. He
therefore remonstrated with the government that he was
not made the organ of tendering public thanks to those
officers. (Hear) He said that the officers of the French fleet
had received the thanks of the French Legislative Chambers,
and that he bad to learn that the services of the English fleet
were less worthy of being commended. (Hear.) What,
therefore, was the meaning of saying that the fleet was
badly manned and worse disciplitud ? Not that the officers
neglected their duty, but that he had this additional diffi-
culty to contend with—that there was not a single captain
in the fleet who held a command in the Baltic before, and
therefore that the difficulty of the undertaking was en-
hanced a hundredfold. It meant that the fleet was hastily
manned— that the men were incapable of going aloft—and
that men were put on board as • iilon who were not in fact
sailors. He thought he had mid enough to show that Sir
C. Napier had been not only demise. d (rem his command
but that he bad been censured. The hoc. and learned gen-
tleman concluded by moving for a copy of any correspond.
sues which has passed between the Board of Admiralty,
or any other member of her Majesty's government, and
Sir C. Napier, since the 20th day of December last.
Sir T. HERBERT 'seconded the motion, but in so low
a tone of voice as to be almost inaudible. He was ander
stood to say that the Admiralty might have been technically
right in the letter they wrote to Sir C. Napier, but that
an officer of his position demanded more consideration
than be appeared to have received at the bands of the
government. He did not approve of the Mansion house
speech, or of after-dinner speeches. Yet the services of
, Sir C. Napier were so many and so brilliant that he '
re-
ceived the approbation of Sir Alexander Cochrane, of Sir
R. Stopford, Sir James Gordon, and other distinguished
officers; and such was his own respect for his gallant friend
that he sincerely hoped the statements he made would turn
oat to be perfectly correct. It seemed to him that it was
impossible for his gallant friend, in the circumstances in
which he was placed, to have done more with the fleet
under his orders. It was to be regretted, for the sake of
the public interests, and more particularly for the interests
of the fleet, that this misunderstanding should have arisen
between his gallant friend and the hon. gentleman. The
circumstances, however, were such that he thought his
gallant friend should have the opportunity of vindicating
himself. (Hear, hear.) The motion of his hon. and learned
friend could not well be refused on the ground that the cor-
respondence was private by a Board of Admiralty that had
itself made most liberal use of private and confidential cor-
respondence is the case of the dockyards. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM said—l have great pleasure in assuring
the house that it will not be necessary for me, in the answer
I am about to make to the hon. and learned gentleman, to
detain them for anything like the length of time which he
occupied in opening his case—(a laugh)—because, sir,
I have not come down here prepared to read extracts from
public despatches. (Hear, bear.) Much leas do I come
here prepared with garbled extracts from private letters—
(hear, hear)—and still much less am I prepared to enter
into the details of private conversations. (Hear, hear.)
Neither have I the advantage of being able to speak from
something like a brief of a very confidential nature which
II we in the hands of the hon. and I d gentleman, and
MIS other hon. members. (Hear, hear.) But in the out-
set of what I have to address to the house, I wish to refer
to the papase with which the hon. and learned gentleman
concluded his speech. The hon. and learned gentleman said
he wished to vindicate the honour of the country.
Now, sir, I think I am not devoid of a feeling of the
same kind, and therefore I refer to one passage
in the speech of the hon. and learned gentleman which I
heard with the deepest rages t. I understood the hoc. and
I learned gentleman to say, that the honour of the country was
leo dear to him, that he could not but regret it had been lost
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the present war. Now, sir, whether I look to the
Black Sea or to the Baltic, I am satisfied that, with regard
I to oar navy, the honour of the country has been maintained.
(Hear, hear.) And with regard to our army, surely all is
not lost. The honour of that army never was higher.
(Hear, hear.) That army never met is • enemy on any
occasion in which it was not victorious. (Hear,
hear.) And whatever may have been the sufferings
of our troops, their-exemplary patience, gallantry, and good
conduct were such no eine could for a moment assert
that the honour of the country did not remain unstained.
(Cheep.) The hon. and learned gentleman commented on
I the expressions used by his noble friend at the head of the
government, on an occasion to which he delighted to refer,
I seeing that the greatest proof of sagacity was to look so
" many moves before you. I plead guilty to that want of
sagacity on the present occasion, for certainly the moves
which the hon. gentleman made were not foreseen by me.
(Hear, hear, and laughter.) I did not anticipate that to
would have thought it consistent with his duty to say that
he had read extracts from despatches—(hear)—that he
had conned them over —that public despatches of the
greatest public importance had been submitted to him—
(hear, hear)—despatches which this house did not think it
fitting to ask the government to produce, and which, if the
government had been asked to produce them, it remained to
be seen whether they would consent to such a motion.
(Hear hear.) However, I shall shortly state to the house
I what think is due to myself. The hon. and learned gen-
tleman talks of the introduction of new things. Is there
anything more new than what he has done to-night
(Hear.) With all your experience in that chair, I ask you,
sir, if you have ever seen or heard so unexampled a codese
as that pursued by the bon and learned gentleman ? (Cheers
and laughter.) The hon. and learned gentleman has culled
extracts from private letters, without the consent of the
writer, and such extracts as, to use his own expression,
would maintain the view he took of this case. (Hear, hear.)
If sir, there is to be any production of these papers, let it
be full and entire ; but before that takes place, I ask the
house net to form an opinion from the extracts which the
hon. and learned gentleman has culled from them. I have
said that I could not anticipate the move which he has
taken ; and if I had been asked whether I expected to live
to see the day when Sir C. Napier would put his ease into
the hands of • lawyer sitting on the opposite aide of the
house, and charge the government of my noble friend the
member for Tiverton with having treated him withinsult
and ocattunely, I certainly would have answered that I could
never anticipate such an occurrence. The bon. and learned
gentleman has refined to the dinner at the Reform Club.
As I have said, I have done penance for my conduct there—
gentlemen who sat near me have iallicted punishment upon
me. I did, however, say on that Incision that when Sir C.
Napier returned hen the Bettie, if I were again invited I
would be toffy to MYand sipis to celebrate his return and
his brilliant wiser; but be hes not received a dinner on his
return, at least I have repelled no invitation—(laughter)—
and even if I had received OM OM punishment to which I
have alluded has been so seven, and I am so conscious of
the Indiscretion I committed, that I know not whether I
would have accepted it. Happily I have not been ,
put to the test. It is very true on that occasion I did express
the protest admiration of the proved and distinguished
valour of Sir C. Napier, and still more of his discretion. He
has confirmed that opinion—discretion, the better part of
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of these documents should be produced. The hon. and
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am the contrary, in the letter which ban been quoted it '.
stated that on the whole the Board of Admiralty
,did approve of the acts of Sir Charlie Napier with
respect to the conduct of the fleet. It generally happens
that good workmen do not quarrel with their tools; but Sir
C. Napier, in a letter to the Admiralty, stated that the fleet
nadir his command was ill-manned, and unfit to meet the
Gamy. The Board called on him to specify the ships to ;
which he alluded, but when called on he failed to specify I
any. The hon. and learned gentleman has contended that
the discretion exercised by Sir C. Napier with respect to
annals); a strong fortress with an inferior force wee, in the
terms of my private letter, a wise discretion. I would never
have quarrelled with the exercise of that discretion if the
gallant officer had adhered to it. Early in May he made a
report that Sweaborg was unassailable by land and sea.
He repeated that opinion in July, and if he had adhered to
that position not one word of hesitation as to the prudence
of that decision would have fallen from me. It is quite true
that on the 24th September, when Sir C. Napier for the
first time had an opportunity of reconnoitring Sweaborg
.close at hand he wrote a despatch which appeared to the
board materially to alter the aspect of the case. The hon.
and 1 d gentleman says that the appliances for the at.
tack contemplated by Sir C. Napier were not sent by the
Board of Admiralty ; but, sir, on the 11th of May the gal-
lant admiral had asserted that the fortress was unassailable
by laud or sea. Relying, therefore, on the discretion of the
gallant officer, the Board of Admiralty did not see any use
tinsending those appliances for an attack. Is is
also quite true, air, as stated by the hon. and learned
gentleman, that a difference of opinion existed hetwent
the naval officers and military officers of great authority,
between the naval cfficere and General Jones on the ores
side, and between the admirals and the French generals on
the other; into that difference of opinion, I am quite sure
the house will not expect me to enter. (Hear, hear.) If I
thought it necessary to warn the house of the extreme
danger of the course they are asked to pursue in discussing
naval operations pending a war, I do not think I could point
out a more fruitful example of the dangers to be appro.
hooded than has been presented to-night. The hon, sad
kernel gentleman says he has looked over the papers eve-
fully. I believe he is an equity lawyer. I ask the home
what it thinks of the justice of a proceeding which calls on
me to defend myself with my arms tied behind my back; a
sense of duty prevents me from referring to those papers. I
have not brought one of them with me, I have seen only a
paper marked . confidential," which contains some extracts;
and it is rating on them that this equity lawyer, who tells
us he is so fond of fair play, came down here, and speaking
from his brief, makes an attack on me, when I have not the
materials of defence at hand, and when even if I had them,
a sense of honour and of public duty would absolutely forbid
the use of them. (Cheers.) It is quite true, sir, that the
course taken by Sir C. Napier, on the 2lth of September,
after ho had for the first time reconnoitered Sweaborg, rhos
at hand, did present to the admirals a view en-
drily different from all communication previously made.
It appeared to myself and my colleagues that
an attack was possible even on Sir C. Napier's own showing,
and that if his force was reunited, he would be in a positron
to make the attack by naval means alone. The French
fleet had already left, but after a communication to the
French government, it was ordered to return, and the
wiling vessels of the English, which were coming home,
were stopped in consequence of that letter of Sir C. Napier.
The hon. and learned gentleman has not thought it as.
worthy of him to assign a motive for the orders given by
the Admiralty on the 4th of October. lie says the acennt
had been just received of the fall of Sebastopol, and that,
acting under the impulse of the moment, the Board of Ad-
miralty gave entirely new instructions. I beg, sir, to give a
most positive denial to that supposition. The order
was issued the very day af er the receipt of Sir C. Napier's
letter of the 25th of September, from which it appeared to
the board that if the whole naval force was reunited an im-
mediate attack was possible ; measures were therefore
taken to reunite the force. I have not the despatch by
me, I dare say the bon and learned gentleman ha.; if be
looks to the close of it he will see that Sir C. Napier is told
he met make no desperate attack ; whether he will attack
or no is left entirely to his own discretion. He is waned
that if the means placed at his disposal aro adequate, the
c 'until Lad a right to expect that everything which vales
could accomplish would be attempted; hut he is told that
the entire discretion is left to himself. If that passage le not
in the despatch as famished to the hon. gentleman he has not
been fairly dealt with by having had garbled extracts placed in
his hands, but if it is there, I consider he ought to haw
read it. (Cheers.) Something has been said of the asser-
tion made by myself and my hon. friend the member for
Oloucestershite (Admiral Berkeley) that Sir C Napier had
not been dismissed or censured; it is true that as regards
his general conduct in command, and the management of
the fleet on the whole, we have had no ground for censure.
It is not true, however, that the Board of Admiralty hew
not censured' certain acts with reference to the authority
of the board ; on the contrary, they have bad
more than once to warn him that the language
and tone 110 assumed towards the authorities under whom
he was serving did not appear consistent with the ant:carding-
tion and deference due to the superior power. As regards
his dismissal, it is quite certain that admirals who have per-
formed similar services in the Baltic Sea have received
similar orders at the end of the autumn to strike their flags,
but it does not follow because an admiral has been ordered
to strike his flag, that he will not be ordered to re-boist
it : it rests with the competent authorities to decide whe-
ther the demeanour of the officer in command has been
such as to entitle Lim to that mark of confidence. I
hope a regard for the efficiency of the service will
prevent the house attempting to sit in jade-
meat on the executive at the end of a nasal cam-
paign as to whether a particular officer should be em•
ployed or not. It is quite clear that Sir C Napier, on the
24th of September, by writing a despatch laying down spina
for future operations, took a course which ensured to himself,
if that plan was adopted, the certainty of being apes
appointed to the command in the Baltic, but it rested with
the executive to determine whether on the whole condact
of the gallant officer they should appoint him. Sir Chula
Napier I have had the honour to koow for a long time, sad
I have tie greatest admiration for the gallantry be has dia•
played on many trying occasions. (Hear.) These are not
mere idle words ; some time since I allotted to him the good
service pension as a mark of the respect of the board for hit
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and the board, and which, if submitted to, would have set
the worst example to the service. I very much regret, sac,
what has occurred. I have not a particle of unkind feeling
towards Sir C. Napier; on the contrary, I deeply regret
what has happened. I think a very great mistake will
he emosamitted if the government consent to the production of
this correspondence. If they are defeated it willappor
whether it would be right to appoint Sir C. Napier spill
to a command. I will not speak of the course he hes pas:
sued and the language he has used since he has returned
and struck his flag. While angry with himself and tics
board he had not hesitated to produce documents 0 ills
most confidential nature. I am surprised at the advocate the
gamut officer has chosen. He has not asked any brother
in arms, although there are naval officers on both sides ef
the house, to come forward and bring this case of odes
oppremion before the house. I do not know what
view the honourable member for Dartmouth (Si
T. Herbert) has taken. I hope he has not supparted the
course taken by Sir C. Napier; if so, it would very muchdi.
minish the respect I feel for his high character. On the
whole, I will leave the matter in the hands of the torero.
sent. They will decide whether this correepondence shall
be produced. But never in my life have I been more asto-
nished at the course taken by any hon. member than I have
been at that taken by the hon. member for 'Wallingford ts
night. He has deemed it consistent with his digoil to
act as squire to the gallant admiral when no naval officer
would accept the post. He has spoken of his equity and
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practice in court, but it is not the practice of this horse.
i The discussion was continued by Admiral Watcor,
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C. WOOD, Captain SCOBELL,
BEHEILLET, MT. HIT Me. COWPER, Mr. emi'
ROIJOH, Mr. SIINTWINCI.ES theIDE, r ATTORNEY-GENERAL, 1
OTWAT, and Sir G. TILER. Mr. M. GIBBON. fld_ool'
Lord PALMERSTON-4 conies that I have listened 1,
this discussion with very great regret, because I coneider it ir
setting a very bad example, when hon. members, who fell
celled upon to vindicate the characters of profoolt°6ll
man in this house, read as part of their speeches dooms:
which they call on the house to say whether or no sot
produced. This I look upon as being a sort of begri,,ofl til
question which cannot be too much discouraged. (nig:,
With regard to the motion itself, I think the bower!
conclude that Kwould be injurious to the public, orrice if ts:
document now called for were produced, and for my PT
shall undoubtedly vote against the hon. sad learned me
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bar. I think that the hon. and learned gentleman has gam!
a mistake in discretion in the coarse which he is now pull.
lag, and another hon. and 1 d gentleman
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mislake when led away perhaps by the similarity
ebollon
he supposed that that
wan the admiral
me ts h:db°ruetturstoed faxen;
sammand in the Black Sea. (A laugh.) The hoe. .
learned member should recollect that in this country, 116!
s.
specially in the more northern parts of the island, thOW r
many persons of the same name who do not staStdir_r?
slightest degree of relationship to each other. (A.Ln.O;
Now, air, I have had the honour of a long st3opt
or-A.i.
withlhe gallst admiral, Sir C. Napier, the seine ! It'
dimeaseica, and ad as Ido his professional and r;
Awn regret to me it he Wad in the paw aY"
send character, it world have been a matter 01. Fre.:11.45, :