The Express.
London, England, 1863-06-09 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUES OF LORDB..--MONDAY, Joins &
ROYAL GOMMISSION.
Their lordships met at 4 o'clock for the perms of beate
ing the royal assent given by oommission to various bine.
The Lords Commissioners were the Lord Chinosnor, lad
of St. Germans, and Lord Kiapdowa. The Commonshavlne
been summoned the royal =Nat was tn= in the nee=
form to the Customs and Inland Ravens. the Corrupt
Primness at Median Bill, Elections es the Remo
Bill, Fairs (Ireland) Bill, Illegitimate Children prolamin
Ball, New Zealand Boundariesßill, and a number of railway
and private bills.
Their lordships then adjourned daring pleasure, sad re.
asemabled at 5 o'clock.
PETITIONS.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented several politicise
against the Prison Ministers Bill, and other petitioos se
behalf of Poland from the Sheffield Committee for Foreign
Affairs, and from Maidstone.
COURTS OF RECONCILEMENT.
Lord BROUGHAM presented • bill to their lordliness'
house, the object of which was to establish Courts of Re-
, *incitement Weiler to those which wen 4 exteasive
opera-
tion on the oontinent. It was entirely a permissive bill,
and bad been drawn with the militant* of Mr. Makatea
Kerr, judge of the Sheriffs' Court of the City of Leeds%
and he believed it must ultimately become law, althougli,
as in the case of the county courts and the =eminence of
parties in suits, it might be destined to considerable and
prolonged opposition.
The bill wee read a first time.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were reed a third time and passed :
The Meal's Estate, the Formes Railway Company and Bar-
row Harbour Commiesious, the Fumes end Midland Rail-
way, and the Mid Wales Railway.
THE STATE OF POLAND.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH roes, pursuant to notice,
to inquire into the einemt state of the negotiations
with
nape= to Poland. He wished to ask the noble earl the
Secretary. for Foreign Affairs whether there had been such
progress m the negotiations as to afford a reasonable hope of
a satisfactory settlement of the =fain of PALW.
The strength of diplomacy now was the
of the insurrection —it ha DO other, =sr=
might depend upon it that, great as the sufferings
of the Poles had been, they might have suffered for
years longer, but, if they had suffered in tranquillity
and silence, never would the sympathy of Europe have
been extended to theca. (Cheers.) They had the sympathy
of Europe because they had the courage and the spirit to
rue up against their oppreeson —it wasbeaoes they showed
themselves worthy of liberty that all Europe felt they
ought to possess it. All he could say to the Poke
was this : • Persevere. Keep your arms strike down your
enemy wherever you can meet him. Yon have embarked
in a career of honour, of patriotism, and of glory. Yoe
may fall in the field, but it is better to fall there than to
die in the ranks of your emery. (Cheers.) Persevere,
then ; mid depend us. it, having adopted your course,
—dictated perhaps despair, but saoctioned junco
and by reason—you w'have the respect of all men ; and I
trust Providence will bless your efforts." (Loud cheers.)
Earl RUSSELL said it was hardly consistent with his
position to ester into the details of the question put to
him by the noble earl. The Rube= government had re-
plied to the notes of the three powers at greae length, es-
pecially to that of Great Britain, and eltagss that as tbe
powers bad offered no euggestioa, Romig was placed in sa
unsatisfactory position. Consequent upon this the English
and French governments had decided upon offering a sug-
gestion, which they communicated to the Austrian govern-
ment on Saturday last, and • reply _ was expiated
from Vienna on Wedges*. This being the came it
was not expedient for him to enter further into the naives
of the agreement which the French and English govern-
ments had arrived at. With regard to restoring the Meg-
dom of Poland, the difficulties in the way of accomplishing
that object were such as in 1815 to completely belle all the
efforts of Lord Castlereagb. No doubt en armistice could
not be ashy carried out ; but humanity and policy alike
dictated that the ruthless and terrible war now min to
Poland should be speedily put an end to, for it would be
impossible for diplomacy to do anything so long as the
country was the scene of such • struggle. He
believed, indeed, that an armistice must be the
first step to any useful or satisfactory oego-
tiatioes. The noble earl continued :—The whole gab-
ject therefore is surrounded with immense difficulties
—difficulties which certainly make me hesitate in
giving any assurance to the noble earl that we could come
to a satisfactory termination of these discussions. In a
grmt matter like this our position is bound, as
I conceive, by the treaty of 1815. Our present polities
is that, being parties to the treaty of 1815, and that
terms which
tasty not being annulled, we have to propose
we think are consistent with that tzeaty, which =add
teed to the welfare of Poland, and to secure a durable peace
iu that portion of the world. Such ia oustask. It not our
task to propose to erect a great kingdom Poland, wending
of all the ancient Polish provinces, and propose such a plaa
to the acceptance of the different parties to the treaty of
Vienna. But it is our endeavour, as I think nought to he.
to conduct these negotiations with the different pewees of
Europe in such a manner as to preserve the general peace.
For my pert I can see no advantage that will arise from
armed intervention on behalf of the Poles. I can see
nothing but confusion and calamity from such as
interruption to the peace of Europe. I cannot see what
clear and definite object the. British government could pro-
pose to justify them in eotenng upon such a oourse. (Hear,
hea I protest against entering into such a task. (Hear,
hear.) I ask it with humility, because I feel bow incapable
I ern of conducting affairs of snob great difficulty; but as
holding a grave and responsible office in the government of
the couttry, entrusted by parliament to conduct these
negotiations, I do venture to ask your lordships is
pause at this time, and until further COMmunbele•
Lions have been had. (Hear, hear.) When those
communications have been had, her Majesty's government
will fearlessly prove= to parliament the result at which
they have arrived, whatever that result may be. I should be
happy to be able to say that the freedom of Poland has been
obtained, but if after all our efforts we are obliged to say we
have failed to obtain those concessions to which the Poles
will look for freedom, whatever our coarse may be I shall be
ready to submit that course to the combined judgment of
the two houses of parliament. (Hear, bear.)
The Duke of RUTLAND said what he would implore
their lordships was, not by a maudlin sentimentality, or
feeble sympathy with the Poles, or by ascertain and un-
meaning diplomacy, to rivet the fetters which all desired to
take off. Let their lordthips not countenance this invite-
motion, but leave its suppreasion to the Emperor, who could
then carry out the reforms which be had promised.
Lord BROUGHAM trusted it would be possible to
give the Poles a constitution establishing their inter.
aid independence, but still leaving them subject to
Russia, and that if such a constitution could be obtained
for them they would listen to his noble friend's advice, sad
accept it. It was now half a century since be first advocated
the caused Poland, in oonjunctiou with hie lamented friend,
PrinoeCiartoryski. He (Lord Brougham) was not then in par-
liament, but he addressed to the public an appeal for the
Polish cation wbicb be trusted was Dot without some
effect. He hoped, therefore, they would list= to the
advice of an ancient friend and ally, and be satisfied with an
independent kingdom, but still acknowledging suzerainty to
Russia.
Lord STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE, who was almost
inaudible, was understood to express his doubt that anything
but the establishment of an independent Polish kingdom,
each as was contemplated by the Cougrees of Vienna,
would satisfy the Poles. The importance of settling this
question could not be over-estimated.
Lord DENMAN said a few words deprecating agitation in
this country on behalf of Poland. and the subscribing of
money, not in aid of the wounded, but to purchase arms for
Ithe insurrectionists. The noble lord added that he did not
speak with a view of having himself reported in a garbled
manner in the newspapers, but in the hope that what he
said would have some inflation upon their lordships.
Earl GREY had heard with some alarm that negotiations
on the subject of Pole= were still is progress. He believed
that the more serious the contest became in that country
the more doubtful would be the success of any oegotiation.
His noble friend the Secretary of State bad said that this
country ought not to take up arms ou behalf of the Poles,
and if oar policy was to be abstentioa from any active part
in the struggle, it appeared to him that diplomatic interfe-
rence, however well meant, was more likely to aggravate
existing evil. than to diminish them. He feared that in
the present =ate of parties on both ides the only effect
of such interference would be to prolong the contest,
and he quite agreed therefore with the noble
duke in deprecating any attempt at diplomacy.
Hie advice to the house was that they should not make any
r attempt to induce the government to interfere in foreign
affairs ; and any advice given in this instance could eer-
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One of the projects for the employment of the soy ulterior proceedings, the less advice they tendered in
this matter the better. (Hear, hear.)
operatives at Oldham is the formation of a public park.
The question will be fully considered by the town council The subject then dropped.
next week, but is the meantime a committee has been
at work, who recommend the =rams of an estate of 521 THE PRISON MINISTERS HILL.
acne in the immediate vicinity of the borough. The Duke of BUOCLEUCH having presented numerous
A NFAT IN THE LETTER. Box.—We aro oftentimes petitions against this bill,
told of birds building in extraordinary places, but perhaps Tai, Due. gomERSET rose to tom, the wood toad.
there have been none more so
than the following :—A Blue ing of the bill, and was understood to say that, as all quell-
Tit (Pores t US) km built a nest and therein deposited 10 Sons connected with religion usually excited feelings of jea-
eggs at the bottom of the letter box at Crawley Villa, Craw- lousy, he hoped this measure would be discussed with calm-
ley; she seems no way disturbed at the letters tumbling in- DON. It was only reasonable that in this country,
discriminately on her, and at the present time, while in the where many Roman catholic prisoners were undergoing
act of incubation, suffers them to be taken away without punishment, some means of affording religious instruction
being at all alarmed at the event.—Swart Adrertiaer. should be found for them, and accordingly this bill sought
PROSPERITY OF INDIA.—WeII, India, if she is to provide those means, and in the best manner, and in his
not so already, is soon likely to become the most prosperous opinion they did not go beyond the necessities of the am.
country in the world. Brimming cash balances, reduced (Hear, hear.) The justices would have the power of ap-
taxation, and a revenue outrunniog expenditure even at pointing the chaplains, and of revoking the license if any
odds, present a marvellous contrast to the exhausted minister should be discovered misusing the power granted
finances Mr. Wilson undertook to manage three years ago to him. (Hear, bear.) Practically this bill would apply to
But there is yet more room for congratulation in the fact only a few prisote is Ragland red Wales—he believed to
that the Indian government has determined to devote its not more time sixteen in the whole, and amongst them
exuberant revenue to the redemption of the public debt; would he those of Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow• sad
and to this end one million has been already vent in par- Birmingham. In these the
the number of Roman
chasing government securities, and three more sent home catholic+ was so large that the magistrates would be justified
to the Secretary of State to be applied in like manner. In- in appointing regular chaplains to visit them.
deed, we are ensured that, with a oontionance of present Lord BERNERS said he rose to move that the bill be
I prosperity, the extieetion of the Indian ostiooel debt is read a second time that day six mouths, an the ground that
only a question of a few yeah.—ffonw ward Mail. such a measure was anaimmeary, and that naiad 4 its

MONDAY EvUQ.

Consols, which closed on Friday at 92 to 1, ex
div., both for money and to-morrow's settlement,
were first marked to-day 911 and 92, and closed at
911 to 92. The " continuation "to the July settle-
ment was fto 5-16 per cent The official business
report is as follows :—Three per Cent. Consols,
for money, 911, 92, ex div. ; ditto, for account,
911, 92, 911, 92 ex div. ; Three per Cents.
Reduced, 91#, 3, ; New Three per Ceuta., 911,
4, 3 ; India Stock, 232, 234 ; ditto Five per Cent.
Stock, 1073, 108; ditto Four per Cent. Debentures,
1864, 100 ; ditto, 1864 or 1866, 1001 ; Five-and-a-
Half per Cent. " enfaced " rupee paper, 115 ;
Bank Stock, 2331.
The India Five per Cent. stock remains at
1073 to 108, ex. div. Exchequer Bills were quoted
se. to ls. die., being Is. lower.
The foreign stock market showed renewed ac-
tivity, but the animation was confined to Greek
Bonds, which were in great request, and have
attained a fresh rise of 11 per cent., closing at the
highest point of the day. There was also an ad-
vance of 11 per cent. in the Coupons. With these
exceptions, the tendency of prices in this depart-
ment was downwards.
In the market for bank shares there was an im-
provement in Agra, London and Westminster, Me-
tropolitan and Provincial, and Union Bank of
London. London and County Bank were steady,
while a alight reduction occurred in Alliance, Ot-
toman, London and Brazilian, and London and Colo-
nial. Royal Mail Steam, Crystal Palace, English
and Australian Copper, and Peninsular and
Oriental new shares were inquired for. The Italian
Irrigation Company's Bonds continue to improve.
The shares of the International Financial Society
have defined to 64 to 6i prem. General Credit and
Finance were scarcely lower than on Friday, at 21 to
21 preen. ; and London Financial Society, at 11 to
21 prem.
Ocean Marine shares closed to-day at 94
to 10 prem. ; Universal Marine, 3 to 1 dia. ;1
Thames and Mersey, 3 to 34 pram. ; Commercial
Union, If to 14 prem. ; London and Provincial
Marine, I
die. to par ; and Oriental and General
Marine, to 14 prem.
The closing quotations for shares in new under-
takings to-day were as follows : British and
Foreign Marine, to 1 prem.; Empire Mirine, 4to
1 prem. ; Cannes Hotel, 7 to 8 prem. ; Mediter-
ranean Hotel, 14 to 11 prem. ; Margate Hotel, 4 to
1 prem. ; Southampton Imperial Hotel, 1 to 1
prem. ; Kingstown Hotel, 1 to 11 prem. ; Clarence
Hotel, 4 to 1 prem. ; London and Paris Hotel,
1 to 11 prem. ; Sardinian Railways, 1 to 3 die. ;
Dunaburg and Witepsk Railway, to f prem. ;
Jersey Imperial Hotel, Ito 11 prem. ; Copenhagen
Railway, 11 to 11 prem. ; Photogenic Gas, 4 to 1
prem. ; and. London and Hamburg Bank, 4 to 1

prem.
There were inquiries for United States and Vir-
ginia Bonds.