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THE EXPRESS, ''SATURDAY FVENING, MAY 9, 1863.

pervades this and oth'hr coml. though it was difficult to do so. He approached . them'
=llinnnnank yntemilita re y*Wees that Heaven which will not with feelings of pity. Count Christen said ' You
allow oppteleaiee to pass uspnateh • ed, ad which will not feel Pity foe OW ;do not feel pity for me, but for than who
of freedom by treatomut such
allow theae sufferiege math longer to endure. Wears.) disgrace the name r
The dn.:wain than tennicated. as that am now suffering." (Load chas o ear, hear.")
But besides than rattan en there were two on. a •
AUGMENTATION OF BENEFICES RILL. of edusation, adbe was chased to a matiliZlio bad
Vpoa the antics feenff into comings upon this bill, Deeme ',ivied, ...a had b«s command manslaughter.
The LORD CHANCILLUR said there was one altera- Agaioet such a system as that he must eater his protest, and
I"
its a Maas
in
the
bill
by
itbtselceel committee w, ._ hich would he oared not whether soclideede of darkness were perpetrated
agree, to some extent, beneficent purpose, out sear lonia the despotism of the Bourbons or under the pseudo-
Os counterpoise be was happy to announce that he had liberalism of Victor Emmanuel. (Lad cries of "Hear,
Received the assent of the crown ben important additional b .') Europe believed that the existing Italian govern-
provie:on by which the Lord Chancellor would be em- m owed its adenine mainly to the protection of Bog-
powered to dispose of 100 more beeefices beyood those is- land, and he would, therefore, in the name of Englishmen,
ended iu the echodule, and to create thereby an augmente dos..ce such barbarous atrocities.
tin° of the fund for the benefit of the Potwar livings ie Mr. 1.. GOWER rase to address the house, but on a
his gift. Having explained other minor alterations general cry being raised of " new member," gave way to
in the bill, the noble sad leased lord said that. 23 Mr. BUTLER.JOHNSTONE, who said that the Roble
regarded the effect of the measure, if they sold lord who bad just at down had drawn • picture of great
the livings at a reasonable pries. as they might do in the power sod pathos of the Neapolitan pole, but he mad take I
course of time, he entertained • molident opinion that exception to some of the facie which the noble lord had
11/o.ooiii. would ultimately be received and applied to the stated, se well se to many of the °occlusions to which be had
aumentation of poor living within the church. gnarl come. The noble lord seemed es if anxious to prove that no
The house thee weet isle committee upon the bill, when amendment had taken place in the Neapolitan gads since
several ameadmesta were introduced. the accession of the new dynasty; but it should be remem-
Tbeeayman Islands Bill,the Exchequer Beads (1,000,000 f ) bored that if any prisons were more dark, noisome. or horrid
Bill, and the Consolidated Fund (20,000,0004) Bill, were than others, they were those is which the Turin govern-
read a third time and pared. moot had abolished. (Heal One would think from the
Their lordships 'WO:used at a quarter past 7 o'clock until noble lord's statement that the Neapolitan gaol, were as.
Monday. difficult of access for carious strangers as the'
patriarchs' tombs ; but the fact was, that there I
were no pleas into which visitors could so easily
obtain admission. The wont Neapolitan gaol. had been
St. Elmo and Del Uovo, and it was is those prams that the
Bourbon. bed habitually confined their political opponents.
Both those prisons had been abandoned by the present
government, and that was one of the reasons why the others
were in crowded. It was true that political prisoners were
confined along with criminals, and this it most be admitted
was a very great grievance, but this had always been the
custom. Another grievance was the length of time during
which prisoners were detained before trial •, but then the
popolatiou of Naples had become so degraded and thicker.
hearted, under a long coarse of misgovernment, that they
were afraid to give evidence against them who had injured
them. The Camara also, which had not been men.
tioped —(heer, hem) exercised a powerful influence in
impeding justice. Taking all these things together,
there was no country in so exceptional a state as Italy,
or in which a government was more obliged to act in an
exceptional and extrajudicial manner. In the case of po-
litical prisoners the government was obliged to delay their
trial lest the evidence disclosed might prevent the app-e-
-hension of other persons of the same character. We should
remember that there had been times even in England when
the ordinary laws were suspended, and when the people
consented in the belief that such tamponry abeyance would
result to their firmer establishment whoa the crisis bad
away. This w what was at present the ease is
passed away.
There was revolution in one part of the aowstry, and
brigandage spreading over another. A revolutionary com-
mittee sat in the north, sod, in short, the whole country
was in en exceptional condition. Besides, the house must
remember that the government had a/ yet had only one
year for onsaisation. For the two ran previous, the ay
io every café and public place was 'Rome, Rome !" but
since Garibakli's expedition all idea of Rome bad been abut-
doped, especially as the French government had stated fa
intention of adhering to its traditional policy. Since then
the Italian government bad applied itself to the organisation
of the country and the suppression of brigandage. both very
difficult queetioeut (Hear, hear.) They had the whole of
Unintelligent middle dam with them, bet It was not sur-
prising that the peasana should still be hostile. All that
the latter knew was that they paid more tams, and they
were too ignorant to appreciate the fact that those taxes
were used in improving the organisation of the country, and
I. creating an army and navy which one day might enable
Italy to become something better than a mere
phial eipsessioo. (Hear, hear.) There was no doultst°C;
brigandage was organised in Rome, and sent over the border
by a committee which plied its task, whilst the Emperor of
the French was nourishing a benevolent idea, and Lord
Russell was building castles is the air, or in Malta, for the
aeco.noaodatiou of the Pope. (A laugh.) AR this formed
an immense difficulty for the Italian government, whose
only alternative was to levy taxes sod originate reforms, or
else to leave a terrible tamp of evils to hater for a future
time. His defence, then, foe the Italian government was
this exceptional state if things, and until the fads be had
Mated could be disproved he believed it wee sufficieat. They
had the support of the intelligent dames throughout
the country, and with their aid would in • short
time restage order and re-establish political liberty.'
There was • strong party is that house who had so faith to
the destiny of Italy. was discouraging theM the
mighty work they had uadertaken, and upon which they
were now ecoaged. He hoped that for this ressou—since,
whatever the object might be, the effect would be to throw
discredit on the Italian government—ben Majesty's go-
MOON= would refuse to produce the papers *eked for.
(The boo. gentleman resumed his seat amidst loud cheers,
sad several memben shook hands with and congratulated

HOUBK OF COMMONS-FiIDAY, MAY 8.

The SrzAw took the attar at tour o'clock.
NETROPOLITAN AND CITY OF LONDON POLICE

AMALGAMATION BILL.
The report of Use Standing Orden Committee vas broaibt
np, and read. The committee reported that standing
enders had not been compbed with, and ought not to be die.
with. The announcement wan received with ironical
Cr end chewy.

PETITION PRESENTED.
A petition wee presented by the LORD ADVOCATI, signed
by 30,000 persons, against the opening of the Edinburgh
Botanic Cardona on fidsdays.

PUBLIC BUILDING&
lir. B. COCIIIIANB gave notice that be would ow
Tseeday next, as we understood, move, "That, for the
sake of obtaining greatest unity of deeign in our public
and with a view to the efficiency and economy of
the pablieWriON it is desirable a permanent commission of
Els)rilic works sod Isuildinp should be added to the pretest
of Works."

ME 'UNDERGRADUATES AT CAMBRIDGE AND
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHAPEL.
Mr. POLLARD-URQUHART pre notice that he would,
es Monday mat, set the Seeretary of State for the Home
Departmeat labium be bad received say information in
reference to the ceminet et the undergraduates of Cam-
bridge University at the Roma catholic chapel, on Seeday
meek last, sad whether be bad say information respect*
attacks prerionaly or sabeermantly thereto ?
THE LEASES AND SAM SETTLED ESTATES ACT,

Mr. COX pee baaino IDat Ds would, on Tuesday next.
woes far Isms to being la a bill to amend the Leases and
Males Settled Maas Aat, 186&

NEW wßxr.

Mr. BRAND sowed Hai the Speaker do issue hie war-
iest to the clerk of the creme in Indeed for the eleetio• of
• member for the keraigh et ?taloa in the ram of Daniel
Mona% Esq., whoa bail eeespeed the office of 'toward et
the tumor of Northeisni (Laughter and "Haar.")

TIM TAX ON CLUBS.
Mr. LYGON soloed the Obeacellor of the
whet emeast of memo he muerte& would be FL=
Or tax ea data

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be was
as* ahle to eve the litmeatiee which the hoe. member
sisal, bat perhaps ha would be less anxious about it when
be stated to the ►ease that he intended to accede to the
eepresentations whisk had hies nude to him by gentlemen
esasected with the gel" aad to withdraw this proposi-
ties (Cheers awl haighler.)

believed that the Italians cared more for the moral supped tiled fn recommending unless be were so prepared.
of this country than for the material support which had It wee only the proems year that the noble lord bad
been rendered to them by another country. ' uttered oar) of his greatest invectives spinet Rome, and in-
Mr. eel ATER.BOOTH believed tint the etpeetations formed the house and Europe that a great change might
in this oountry as to the results of the unification of Italy shortly be expected, and that all the difficulties of Italian
were in a great degree unfounded, and that trapper reaulte politics were about to be removed. This year they had •
would have followed if a leas revolutionary course had been very different torn from the noble laid. Ne earpeotatioes
'pursued. (Hear, beer.) were held out, either lanaidiately or eyeateally ; there
Sir J. WALSH bad generally found that boa. gen- were no menaces to France, no promises to Italy, such
Semen opposite who talked so loudly in favour of non- menaces and promises being generally equally fallacious. On
intervention were constantly inclined to interfere with the the contrary, the noble lord spoke with much moderation,
affable of other nations much more than he thought was and seemed to have adopted the sensible observatioea of his
desirable. (Hear.) The present debate, he thought, arose (Mr. Diesel's) hon. Irina the member for Canterbury,
from her Majesty's government beaten by their interference whose admirab'e speech was peat in performance, hat still
identified themselves so intimately with the cause of Italy. greater in promise. His hen. friend bad said that Italy
His friend the member for Taunton had shows that sweat bad had many difficulties to contend with, but that now
evils and abuses continued to exist in Italian society, and common sense prevailed. and the people had dismimed from
this he thought was a misfortune for which her Ma- their minds the wild ides of making Rome their capital.
ody'e government wee in some degree responsible Log- That wee the impression which his hoe. friend brought
J batmen sincerely wished for the prosperity of Italy, but borne fresh from Italy ; and that impression was eloped by
they believed that her interests were not so immediately the noble lord. It was only by following out that policy
identified with that country as to render it necessary that with temper and paramecium that tranquillity could be
they should mix themselves up io its internal affairs. (Hear.) restosed. Italy meet depend ow :berseff, and sot on expec-
Lord PALMERSTON—The reel fact of the cue tations held out by the Eogldi i minister, which were never
from • ham position of affairs, dia-
ls, that we do sot, we cannot deny that in the Nea. intended to be realised. Her ministers must extricate
within territories there do exist a great number of abuses themselves.
hear)—which are the relics of that system miss all idle expectation', and cease all ill-
which was overthrown when Garibaldi passed through conceived political eareseres. And they could
Dot do that unless they let England know
Naples and presented the kingdom to Victor Fanmanued.
that they were pursuidg a polity of pesce sad oonsolida.
11
I Every one must agree that in the other parts of Italy there
Con, not of ear, invasion, and oppression. There was uo is nothing of which complaint can be made. Lombardy u
country in the world for which peace was more necessary,
flourishing. Tuscany is in a good condition. Nobody says
there is any evil in Modena. Panne we Dever hear of. and of which peace should be so decidedly the policy of
The States of the Church. which hart, been added to the Italy at the pretest moment. Last year, whet they hod
kingdomof Italy, are coafessodj, in a meat lonrisbing and some incidental discussion upon the state of Hely, asp*.
N
condition. (Cheers.) It is only in the kingdom of welly with reference to public espeuditure, he vectored to
tha
'Neese and Sicily that those oomphonta exist. Now, let say t the policy pursued by our government with regard
to Italy and the centre of Europe, was one of the causes of
anybody recollect how difficult it is for a government
the excessive expenditure. He said then that the policy
to mould and weld together six additions to
pursued with 'extra to Raw was one of an irritating
• free existing State. That is the task which the ,we
Italian government has to perform. To Piedrront has ! character, which must end in disappointment and
been tided Lombardy, Tuscany, widens, Parma, Romagna, ! complication, arid which was not warranted by any sound
and the Neapolitat territory
All these different stag. ! principles of policy. He said slain, as regarded France,
have different organisations, },
we, eysystems,and ill ! that if there were • fair and rational nademiaading between
had to be welded into a ha:woe/ow whole. Anyone who the two great comities, that tinderstandioozd= have
knows what are the difficulties of government can hardly I allayed the irritation, sad have had • effect
steed that in the count° of two years that Mak could be ! upon the public expenditure of this country. (Hear, hear.)
completely sad satisfactorily accomplished. (Roar. hear.) I Twelve months had elapsed, and the state of affair which
In these parts of Italy where no external influence has ,he then indicated as desirable had really mattered. There
been at work things have gme on wall—the task ha been bad been that change in the public °puma of Italy as to
accomplished in a wonderful degree. Naples is the exeep-
the policy which it should pursue. No longer was Rome
tiou.' And why "—because near to Naples is Rome—(laud held forth as the necersary and inevitable capital of Italy.
cheers)—because in Rome there is a French garrime—be-
without the possession of which there could be no develop-
cause that French garrison protects the erosion of Naples— mint of her resources, and without which it could exercise
and because under the shelter of that foreign army there no political power, and industry could give oo proof of its
seine a committee of, I believe, not lees than 20D existence. (Hear, hear.) On the other band, between Eng-
whose constant employment is memos bands- land and France, so far am they could judge, there was this
simmer.n and brigands, the scum and dress of every nano. understanding on the subject of Italy, that it was apparently
ou the face of the earth, and ito send them forth into the agreed that Italy should no longer be the seem of rival
Neapolitan territory to commit every sort of atrocity. Polichni—fhear, heart—that she should be left alone to the
(Loud cheers, and " Ob.") Sir, we are told that calm and trawled denim:mint of her resources and the
that is civil war. Good God, sir What an contolidatioa of her political power. He thought the pro-
' idea gentlemen must have of civil war, when span" of Italy in that respect were far mere favourable now
than they were last year. All that had been described as
they dignify acts of most atrocious ruffianism by a name
width may imply the loftiest sentiment' and the highest to the state of Italy that night existed in some degree last
yeah, political aspirations and yid... (Ranowsd cheer. year. He thought it was perfectly clearable, and agrerd
with the noble lord that It might be productive of good,
ben sad "Oh.") Sir, I say they do commit acts of the
greatest rellanism—they burn houses, and murder people, that the details which bad been referred to In the deem-
le,
sad destroy and lay waste ; they burn people, too • they sloe should be known to England gad to Europe.
barn their captives ;we have knowledge of that ; therefore The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER protested
I say that they do commit atrocities which ought to make against the course taken by Lord H. Lennox in not commu-
te cheeks of those who seed them forth blush with the nicating the results of his investigations, in the first instance-
deepest die. (Hear, beer.) Then, sir, it is meet extreerdinan to the Italian government, to which he praised to be
that gentlemen in this house who are attached to their re- friendly, and which had given him all the facilities he
Brous faith, who cling naturally and properly to the chief of wired, But with reference to the pieons in Naples
I their religioe— who call themselves pre-emiasetly catholic, the work of reform and improvement had began eveu there:
—set the aces against the liberty of Italy. (Cheers, sad and nery &bum was now freely denounced in Italy. Both these
" No".) Who are these Italians? Twenty millions of facts are established by the speech of my noble freed. I
1 catholics just as good as they ; and why do the catholics of fully agree that this is not all ; and lam confident that the
Ireland want to rivet the fetters upon twenty millions of endeavours of my noble framed (Lard Palmerston) and of the
their co-religionista—(loudcbeers)—wheare ea good catholics government will be directed towards those humane ends
as themselves, and ought to be better became they are which my noble friend (Lord H. Lennox) has in view, and
nearer to Rome. (Laughter and cheers.) lamat a has to that the Italian government, approached in a friendly
uederstard this contradiction. But, sir, be that as it maze, and respectful Mee, with full acknowledgment of
Ido contend that if these disordersto continue exist in its independence, after they have heard what has been
Neapolitan territory, those who from Rome keep up tbae stated within these walla, will not resent these disclosures,
agitations are the muse of *lithe crimes that are there oom- somewhat churlish though they may think the manner of
tmd. (Hear, hear.) After all it may be said that this le them to be, but will think that all who *mist in dragging
net otherwise than the moll coarse of human affairs. these horrors and abuses into light ace acting the part of
Great changes of dynastyDever can take pram without a friends and operator, whether they mean it or not, and
long series of disorders following them. No change of will gladly avail themselves of that amistance. (Cheers.)
dynasty has ever taken place in any country with the imme- And now, sir, I must offer • few words no the speech of the
Math and entire acquieacenoe of all the people in that right hon. gentleman opposite. I confess I did not under-
Monkey. The wens and more corrupt the government is stand the whole of that speech. 1 could better under-
the more likely it is to leave behind it those stand the critical and negative than I could the
who had lived by its corruptions, and do therefore positive and affirmative parts of it. (Laughter.)
gni that„ their Mee" of livelihood have deParted...; The sum of hie speech was this—that everything the ge-
net is toe case in the Neapolitan territory. ur Torment had mid—everything the government had done—
coarse it is not to be expected that y the stroke of a wand, every the government had omitted—everything the govern•
er by the operations of Garibaldi's half-doses associates in • meet had committed, had been entirely wrong, that their
railway careisp.all traces of the former monarchy are to be efforts, misguided from the first, bad been odious to all par-
meld away. There must remain • certain number of webs ties oornerned and in all respects disastrous. (Ironical and
who—Dome from principle and Dome from intereet— are ministerial cheers.) That is a fair summer,. (Ironical
attached to the ancient dynasty, and wish to ea it restored. cheers.) lam glad my statement is echoed from the other
But it is the greatest miarepneseutatiee to .alert that it is side—though a free and imperfect one—of the speech of the
by any Mee" the majority the people right bon. gentleman. That is the description he gives
Ia the Neapolitan territory, or that It is of the part the government has taken with re-
mit the smallest possible minority, who cling gard to the Italian questioe. Well, sir, from the right
to the ancient dynasty. No doubt there has been great diffi' boo, gentleman, I appeal to the Italians themselves.
may in introducing into Naples that pure system & (Cheers.) The right hon. gentleman says the Italians
government and jurisprudent which it would be desirable ought to depend on themselves ; then they may perhaps be
to see there, and which it is the great and anxious wish of permitted to judge forthemeelves. The Italians coetradiet
the present government of Italy to establish ' •but you cannot the description which the right hon. gentleman has given
govern except by instrument', and, as m hon. friend the to-night of the policy of her Majesty's government Their
Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs has observed, those in' opinion I believe to be this—that material force from
etraments are wanting in a country that is rendered corrupt Englandi was neither to be expected nor to be desired, but
by • long system of bad government. (Hear, bean) that the aid of that morel force which they have received
Well then,the hon. baronet who spoke last ridiculed Weide, was to be expected, and has hese of great and lasting beer
that they could fled jurymen to act,bitt though the system of fit to them. (Cheers.) Bat, sir, I appeal agaiu from the
juries had been long established, yet jurymen were afraid of right hon. gentleman to the people of England—(load
doing their duty. That De doubt was one reason why the cheers)—and the right hon. gentleman, whether or not be
trials had not taken place. No doubt it was to be regretted addresses' a select audience at Slough— Sight
find
that they had not, because the present system left • number it difficult to bring himself into the free light of day, and
of persons in prison. This system was not new. It existed before English public opinion, without learning that, lade-
before, and he believed it was acted upon to prevent pendent of party politics, the course taken by her Majesty's
persons being sent back into society, being not government since their accession to office, on the Italian
masters of their own actions. There were at one question, has met with a deep, hearty, and affectionate
time seventy thousand men under the supervision of the response from the all but unanimous people of England.
police,whe could not leave the towns in which they resided, From some partial indications the right hon. gentleman
and they were not free men. If these prisons are not as one appears to have made some progress in his knowledge of the
could wish, it is in spite of the exertions of the present Its- Italian question. He has discovered to-night that Count
lean government to place them in a better position, but the Cavour was a great man, that he has done much for
statements of the noble lord have been contradicted by hie country, and that Italy has suffered much by
many boa. members-010, no)—who have had an equal or hie removal. (Laughter.) This shows that his opinions
portanity of seeing those prisons ; gad the very fact that are not in • fossil state, and that they grow and expand, and
the Neapolitan prisons have bean thrown open for the in- there is no saying what he may come to at last. Bat
Inaction of strangers is a proof at all events that the Italian while he paid these compliments there were other parts of
government is willing to learn from ethers their faults, and hi speech which I can only speak of with reserve. It was
that is an indication of a desire to improve them. (Men) exceedingly important that the people of England should
The hon. member for Dungarees has renewed hisprophen knot what was the policy favoured co that bench. (Cheers.)
that the present state of things in Italy will Dot lastaird that There were parts of hie speech which excited misgivings,
there wilibe a return to the old form of government in Italy. and even repugnance in my mind. The right hon. gentle.
I hope the hon. member will prove to be a false prophet. man deprecated extreme views of Italian liberty; but
because the unity of Italy has been to this moment at, there were men who thought that those who considered
tended with the most beneficial results, and if it could be that Italy ought to be Italy were guilty of extreme views.
made to embrace the whole of the peninsula—(hear, heal ) What is the position of Italy at the present moment? It was
am quit satisfied no country in Europe or in the world as if she were in the position in which England would be if
would rise so much in presparity, or be blessed with more Cornwall and Devonshire were in the possession of one
happiness. (Hear, hear.) Well, then, we do not regret foreign power, and London peritonea by another. (Hear,
the part we have taken in this matter. It is skid to be hear.) Tbe people would never be content until they saw the
intenneddling, bat we have intermeddled only by our onexarer out of Cornwall awl laivonshirei and the troops
moral influence, and by the expreasion of opinion, adl am del from London. (Cheers.) The right hoe. gentle-
happy to know that the part we bees taken has excited the man claimed for himself great generosity of sentiment in
gratitude of the whole population. and they must be sup- reference to the Italian people, but his generosity towards
posed to be the best judges. (Hear, hear.) From one end them amounted to this—that be would give them every-
of the country to the other tbe people feel grateful to the thing that be ooald not take from them. (Laughter.)
Eoglish government and nation for the kind and warm At a former period the right hon. gentleman was an "deo-
interest we have taken in their condition. (Hear, rate of federation ; but the day of federation hes gone by,
hear.) No doubt it will be the duty of the governs sod therefore the right hon. gentleman, forgetting the
meet to exert any influence for the purpose of potting an things that are behind, says, "It is all very
sod to any of those evils which still aqmve the unity of well what now is, but do not let 111 go further."
that country ; but it is not fitting or becoming for one I have a hope that the patience, moderation, forbearance,
government to interfere too much with the edministretion sad self-command which the Italian nation has shown in so
internally of soother. (Hear, hear.) But there are eases is extraordinary a degree will at some early period bear the na.
which friendly advice sod representations may be given and turd fruit, in the acquisition of that territory which in moral
made, and lam sure the debate of this evening will be right belongs to it. When they have got it, and when it
attended with good effects in regard to the Pointe to which becomes obvious that it cannot be taken from them,
oar attention has been dii toted. (Hear, hear.) The hoe. we shall have, among others, the right honourable
gentleman (Mr. Sclater Booth) adverted to the case of Mr. gentleman walking in the rear of the triumphant
Bishop as one of great tyranny and severity; bat Mr. car, and joieing the whole people of England in their joyous
Bishop was put upon his trial and convicted of acclamations on that happy consummation. Bat I must say
having been the carrier el • tresameible cores- that for critical times I have not much confidence in the
spondenne between Rome and Naples—a crime of • deep right hon. gentleman's Italian feelings. lam afraid that if
dye. He was sentenced according to law, but the sentence there were to be a reaction in foreign affairs which would
has been modified by the intercession of her Majesty's go- do something to disturb what is now united in Italy, the
vernment So far from the ease being ern of great severity, right boa gentleman might fall back on his doctrine of
it is one in which the Dales government have yielded to federation. He is, I am afraid, in an infirm
the representations of her Majesty's government, and have state—(cheers and laughter)—his mind yenta to
reduced tbe sentence permed by a court of justice. No doubt be strengthened and enenurard in the good cause.
the Italian government will Pursue • COUTO, which will have and nothing will strengthen and encourage it so much
for its object the establishment of order, with that regard as a strong and unequivocal declaration in favour of Italy
to indulgence which may be found compatible for the at- on the part of the people of England. Let the right boa.
Pennant of that great end. (Hear, hear.) That they will gentleman understand this. It will not do for him—it will
exercise no undue severity, but enforce their authority by not do for his friends to inculcate this equivocal doctrine—
the means which the law gives them, and which has been (bear, bear)—or to utter these ambiguous sounds in the
founded by the free will of the people themselves, and ewe of a nation which, if it has made up its mind
which, as it im the national desire, will, lam sure, be more to anything upon earth, has made up its mind
besting than the boo. member for Daegarvon has pre- to the, that the Italian, ought to be one
dieted. (Cheers.) nation, mid that they ought to lie free. (Cheers.) If the
Mr. DISRAELI said be anxious to know on what policy of her Majesty's government has not operated with
pounds they were to deems the Mete of Poland the charm of magic, still lees lea it irritated those with
if they could not also speak of Calabria and I whom we ought to cherish alliance. Too well does the
Sicily. (Hear, bear.) True, in one country the iaeurree. ! Emperor of the French understand the ae Moe of
tiostMe were called brigand., and in the other patriots, but opinion in this country to suppose that my govern-
les had yet to learn that there was any marked diecrimina• meet is to be regarded as feeling soy other than the most
Hoe between them. (Oh, oh.) The noble lord said that friendly sentiments towards Freon, because on a mistake
Naples was only a province, but if so, what became of his of this kind it does not dissociate itself from the univenal
United Italy? Was it true or was it eat, that the liberty and enthurisstic conviction of the English people. and
of the press was suspended at Milan, Genoa, Florence, and although the policy of the government may not have orn•
erne Turin ? Was It a fact or was it not, that the liberty rated with magic !moo in precipitating erects to • ("mn-
e( the person was ninth in the same state? (Heir, hear.) metier, so glorious that perhapeitean hardly be expected to be
The reason given by the Ceder Secretary of State reached except after some tapes of time, yet, I say, that
wig prime were kept in prim is lithely without policy has been favourable judged—nay, more than that,
Ariel was certainly one of the most remarkable that constitutes nee of the chief titles of my noble friend to the
he (Mr. Disraeli) recollected. It appeared that one coufidence of the English people, that it has been comeived
of the conditions of improvement in the system of joris. in horiesty, and that it is directed towards a wise and •
prudence was, that in the meantime the primmer, should righteous end. (Enthusiastic cheering.)
be locked up. (A laugh.) Another reason given by the The motion was then withdrawn.
Under Secretary for not bringing premien to trial was that The Offences (South Africa) Bill war read a mooed time.
jurymen could not be found honestly to fulli their trusts. The New Zealand Boundaries Bill was read a second time.
Bat what if the more natural rename were that jurymen
could cot be found capable of trw,i.soid the THE POOR REMOVAL BILL
- - - - - - -

the government. (Hear, hear.) gni; wsa thecoeFtiOn of
Hely at the present time, ad it was one which was wholly
unsatisfactory to Italy as well as to Europe. Her
bad been kept is a Mete of constant excitement sad people
tics from the expectations which were held out to them by
our government of a mom of policy which Pagland was
nem prepared for, and which the amble lord ma sot Me.

Oa the order of the day for the mooed reading of this bill,
Mr. COLLINS moved that the order be dimbarged.
Sir B. BRUCS urged that the bill was requisite to pre-
vent the improper removal of Irish paupers.
Mr. DUNLOP moved that the hill be reed s second time
thatuday mix months. By the law as it stood, a man in
z.li
must live three years in • parish before be got a

settlement, and in Scotland tire years, whereas this bill
proposed that an Irishman in either country should obtain
a settlement is sax months.

Mr. AYRTON objected to the law of settlasnent u touch
as any one, but this bill wu founded on • principle on
which he could not concur.
The bons, %an divided, when the numbers wars—
Par the wooed reading
Against it
The bill wu consequently lost.
The house adjourned at 25 minutia to 2 o'clock, until
Monday.

ILO; Intdligtnce.
COURT OF QIIKENII BENCH,—MAY a

Blttiop is Baseo.—(Before Lord Clint Justin Oorebeirs,
sod Justioss Crompton, Blackburn, sad Mellor.)

LLMTIMANT-COLOMIL DICKSON V. TIM MAL OF COMMIXEM.,
TBI EARL OF WILTON, AND OINZIAL PEEL
The Attorney-General (with whom was Mr. I)owries,.ll)
appeared on behalf of General Peel, and showed cause
swat a rule obtained a few days since by the plaintiff why'
certain interrogatories should not be administered to him
in COLIIIIIiOI2 witix this action. In 1868, the plaintiff was
lieutenant-colonel of the 2nd Tower Hamlets Militia,
at which time General Peel was Secretary for War, and
certain complaints were made to him in hi official airway
against the plaiotirs conduct in connexion with the regi-
ment of which he was the lieuteoutmolonel. The regiment
bad been disembodied at that time for more than a year,
which tendered it impossible to hold a court-martial, and ;
General Peel directed a beard of officers to assemble and
inquire into those charges. An inquiry accordingly
took place, which resulted in Use plaintiff being
diamisasd from his regiment ; and in consequence he
had brought the action agamst the three defendants for
eocapiney in musing representations to be made to her
Majesty that certain charges preferred spinet the plaintiff
were true, which led to his being dismissed from the com-
mand of his regiment. The action had been pending for
Kline time said was ripe for trial, having been mildew') for
trial, but at the last hour application was made at chambers
on behalf of the plaintiff to be allowed to administer certain
interrogatories. The learned judge allowed some and re-
jected others, and he contended that the interrogatories
allowed ware sufficient for all the pnrpaa of the plaintiff.
Is reply to one of them, the defendant bad set forth a letter
received by him from Foil Combermere, dated 9th June,
1858, requesting his laying before her Majesty, for her
approval, his lordship's recommendation that the plaintiff
should be removed from his regiment for reasons which he
stated, via., receiving mosey from the secretary of the
Wellington College, for clothing, arms, Sc., damaged at the
Cremorne fete, part of which he retained until after an
Investigation into the matter had commenced, and repeated
applications had been made to him about it by the proper
officer of the regiment. That he had, contrary to the rules
of the Juries, kept back the mental mar accounts,
whereby debts had been incurre beyond the means of the
regiment, from the officers having no knowledge of the state
of the funds, and pert of which be retained is his
foe some time ; and that the plaiatirs conduct tad=
that which was unbecoming the character of a geatlemaa
sad se officer, in stain that he had a way of his own of
ring rid of officers who made themselves objectionable,
To that letter General Peel replied, that after due ion-
sideratioa he felt it to be his duty to instruct Lord Comber-
mere to call on Lieut.-Colonel Dickson to resign, and not
compel him to adopt the alternative of recommending to her
Idajesty that he be removed from the regiment. The
lasrosd counsel having reed at full length the whole of the
interrogatories admitted and disallowed, the latter having
reference to the appointment of the board of inquiry, the
date of the report, what was done thereupon,
aed his telling the Earl of Wilton not to appear before the
board of inquiry u a witness, said that having regard to
the nature of the acting, he submitted sufficient information
had already been afforded to the plaintiff, and that the ob-
jectionable interrogatories need not to be answered, but fur-
ther, that the information sought to be so obtained was
information which reached Colonel Peel in his official cha-
racter of Secretary of State for War. The information re-
quired had reference to the public military service of the
country, sad it was against public policy and esti-
blotted prnctioe to insist on General Pea's giving it. If
in the witoess-box, General Peel might decline answering
the questions on stating his reasons, sod the same retie
must apply to the answering of interrogatories. The ap-
pointment of the board of inquiry was strictly an official
act, and any statement made by General Peel to the Earl
of Wilton not to attend that board most have been of a pa.
vete nature and unconnected with the public service.
The Lord Chief Justice said communications meat not be
used for the purposes of oppression, and aftenvards be
excused on the ground of privilege.
Mr. Dowdeewell was beard on the same side.

Mr. Coleridge, Q.C., with whom was Mr. Gordon Allen,
supported the rule.
The court made the rule absolute, ou the nodentanding
that two of the interrogatories should be modified.

Role absolute.

fhiSl;cring---the last day of term a number of motions os
points of practice were heard and disposed of.
The after-term nisi prim sittinp 001=01100 this day
(Saturday).

NAVAL AND MILITARY.

ADIMIALTY MAY &—PRONOIIONB AND AP-
POINTY aNDS.—/miatant Surgeon G. Itolater, to the Triton.
Aoting Assistant-Surgeon W. L. It*Dermott, to the
E,m Dot.
o be Pint Class Assistant Engineers—J. Smother; of the
Jackal; J. J. Hattersley, of the Edgar; W. Willashan,
of the Elect* ; P. Thompson, of the Pembroke ; E. E.
Williams, of the Ithadamanthos ; and T. W. Cameros, of
the Princess Charlotte.

To be Acting FM Claes Asaistant Eagineera—T. Mush,
of the Orlando; R. L. Owen, of the Charybdis; H. J.
Packer, of the Algeria. ; M. Blank, of the 13aeohante ; J.
B. Scarlet[, of the Encounter; and C. Wiggins, of the
CoromandeL

PORTSMOUTH, MAT 8.
The Emerald, 36, screw frigate, Captain Arthur
Cumming, resumed her experimental screw triale to-day nadir
the superintendence of Captain H. Broadhead, of the steam
reserve. The conditions were the same as on former trials,
but the screw used on this manioc was composed of four
blades, those used on former trial being the common Ad-
miralty screw, and • screw with six blades. The ship
realised a sped to-day of 12 knots an hour, an the average
of sex runs at the measured mile.

WOOLWICH, MAY 8.

In accordance with instructions received from
the War Department 160 workmen will be discharged to-
morrow from the shell focuidries of the Royal Arsenal. No
further reduction is contemplated in the Armstrong gun
factory, which is now presided over by Mr. John Andessoe,
late assistant superintendent.
Workmen me now employed in fixing • new ram and im-
proved machinery for the purpose of bending the
iron plates used for the construction of the screw Maim-
frigate Caledonia.

SHIPWRECKED FISHERMEN AND MARINERS'
ROYAL BENEVOLENT SOCIETY.

The twenty-fourth annual meeting of this insti-
tution was held at Willis'. Rooms yesterday, the Duke of
MARLBOROUGH in the chair. The Secretary, Mr. LIAM,
read the report of the committee, wherein it was stated
that during the past year the society had relieved 7.2.7.1
shipwrecked pampa, natives and foreigner', viz., nano.
verian, French, Spanish, American, and Dutch, sad 3,687
widows and orphans of fishermen and manners, making a
total of 10,937; that 49,898 mariners voluntarily subscribed
each per annum ; that the income had beep 17,7341.
13a. fid., including 2,0491. 184.84 legacies, in connection with
which certain large donors were mentioned, viz.: A. 8., 2001.;
Society for Relief of Persons Imprisoned for Small Debts,
2901. ; the directors of the Indemnity Insurance Company,
521. 10a. ; Lloyds' Register, 105/. ; Grocers' Company,
1001. ; sfetubms of Lloyds', 251. ; Messrs. Williams,
Demme and Co., 231. In fulfilment of one of its object., the
eacouraging gallant effort, to save life oil the high sou and
masts of our colonic., the committee had awarded during
the past year seventeen gold or silver medals for saving the
lives of 125 shipwrecked persons. The tables fora Pension
Food for Wore-out Merchant Seamen are to be publi.bed in
a few weeks, the name of which is to be "The Mariners'
National Peosios Fond ;" au annuity fund for mariners'
widows will accompany it. It appears the plan is
to call on the benevolent public to aid these
funds, and also in establishing a hospital or asylum for poor
old laden who have no relative ties, and whose pension is
not sufficient under the care of hirelings. The report con.
eluded with an earnest aepeal to the nobility, gentry, and
public at large, for help to carry out the great objects of the
society, and expressed much coufidence that they were cal-
culated to Mad our seamen to their country, of which they
are its outer sad principal wall of defence. The report was
unanimously adopted, and the claims of the institution were
advocated by a number of noblemen and gentlemen.

Mans To Carlos.—The directors of the Man-
chester Chamber of Commies have memorialised the Post-
master-Gemini to cause arsagementa to be made, whereby
letters intended for the French mail leaving Marseilles for
China on the 19th of every month, shall in future be re-
ceived in the Pnet-ofScee of the United Kingdom. The reply
from the Post•nfllos informs the Chamber that
with the French government on the subject harnistr-
meaord, which Lord Stanley of Alderley hopes ghostly to
be able to bring to a satisfactory conclusion.

The "Daily Telegraph" of March 31st, in its
description of Benson's Oreat Clock, says---.. It is a trinniphnf In-
genuity." Benson's new showrooms oontain clocks designed by
lint artists et the day, and include clocks for the drawlarrooni,
dining-room, bedroom, library, hat 'tures'', bracket, carriage,
church, turret. railways, warehouse, counting-house, with musi-
cal, mstronomical, and every descriptine of clock, from the
plainest to the highest quality of which tee art is et present
capable. Church and turret clock" specially estimated for.
Beeson's Illoatested Pamphlet on Clock' and Watches (free by
post for two Naingel mushy' a short history of clock and watch
making, with destaiptions and prices ; It act. as a guide in the
pnrchave of a clock or watch, and enables those who live in Beat-
lend, Irtlend, Wale" the Oolomilm, India, or any part of the
world, to select a clock. J. W. Benson received a Prize Medal
and honourable mentlne —33 and Se, Ludpte-Pall, Loudon.
katebtUhed 1710.—(Advortienesui.)