The Express.
London, England, 1855-03-23 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH NI, 1855.

Campbell sad the Highland Brigade. TM West was &sok
is a tttatnn ealy es be key:toed by ifigideaders:
♦ d!•.. by two of du youprw•r •t dar Cherie Forbes
wee aassiratay evocoted, sit►all the aatie•el outhosisam
which shareetevises tkalr summed Whits; and the evesiag
concluded with the and Seottiah festivities.

MR. THACKRRAY ON “ RUMOUR AND

CHARITY."

_....._
A very large wadies°. assembled Met eight at the
Marylebeas Literary lastitatioa to ►ear Mr. Thackeray
deliver a lettere heavies this title. The subject had a special
apiropriateassa, for Mr. Thanker.; teetered for the benefit
of a thstiaguished sun of bitten. Basra sketching his dis-
course, it may be premised that it ass reesived throughout
with the highest attention and satisfaction; sot is this to be
wondered at, for while it professed to treat of "Humour
and Charity," it woolen of bode

THICICILAY, it mesa, &wisp his Americas tour,
lint his literary Navies, to the eappott of a c►arita►le Insti-
tution, es which °ermine be dealt with a question which
had of old ripped his attention—via., what support is
given to the same of charity by the Mariam of the
humorists el literature ? Sash likewise was last eight's
tope, and the made of handling it wee appropriate. He
passed is review many of the mast famous and best known
humorous wtiun of England, and discoursed on the dr
gree in whish each of them las aided the general cause of
philanthropy—tbo diffasion of kiadly seutiment sod good
feeling smog mankiud.

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Borne of the opening Remarks were most characteristic.
Mr. Thackeray pointed out a kind of similarity of position
between the " Pharisee " and the pleasant humorous
writer. Just as the Pharisee's gold, thongs giros only from
ostentatioe, would do pod, so the philanthropy of the
writer, even when his practice was aot so good as his
presehlsg, mast be allowed to have dose its good also.
Humorists were weekday preachers, dealing with commas
hfis for their text. They excited our love, our tenderness,
oar pity for the weak—our hatred foe the bully. Writers
was no better aim than teas whoa only writing
was in their ledges,—:hass other men doing the
radial business of mankind. Let us be fair to thus,
however,—let us consider their natures and their work,
and allow for their good itificioneee. The humorist, in
Mr. Thackeray's opinion, was a philanthropist by nature ;
be was a humorist Just by virtue of the sympathy with
which he could enter into the feelings of people about
him ; he watched them, and loved to speculate on them ;
thought and felt, and laughed and wept, with them. Hence
be was naturally a kindly man. His theme was every-day
life. His power lay in hie faculty of exciting the pleasure
and sorrow in men which be had fall. company with than
and seen exhibited by thee'. And so it followed that the
beet humour was that in which there was tenderness, and
which bordered upon pathos. The teatof high humour was
its rentainieg the elements of sympathy and love—ha
appealing to sacred affections.
But at the same time (urged the lecturer) tears were
seared—nor was that writer to be pardoned who laboured to
produce them by sham sensibility, by a straining after the
excitement of emotion. A father did sot kiss his children
.11night. A lover was not always sighing. Sterne era to
he sondeased foe offending in this way. When he bestowed
carefully prepared teas upon a dead 818-0110 cried out
"Off quoit"- one loathed the asinine tenderness. Mr.
Tbackeray was very energetic in this point of the artifieial
character of some of Sterns's pathos: his account of Uncle
Tu►y's kindness, of the euble's reclaiming his swerd—tha
case was very different with these; the reader thanked him
foe passages like these. Men were bettor fa such emotions
as these excited. With regard to Swift, our lecturer re•
sewed his high impression of his admiration of his genius,
►et 'gain repeated more emphatically his disgust at his
shortcoming' is human kindness and love. He observed
that he remembered no pamages in his writings snowing a
love of nature. beauty. Ho *peke coarsely of poverty,
and harshly sad scornfully of poor persons with families.
He graved his contempt for his fellow.ertatutee upon hie
tomb•stme, and hurled insults at the weaknesses of these
who, like himself, were God's weak children. Instances of
his harshness were a the way is which ►e spoke to Stella
of the clergyman ('l ysdal) who wooed her, and the passage
where he upraised sorrow at a child's sickness oaly because
it interrupted a court intrigue.
[lt is not oar intention to criticise Kr. TilaCktfiy'S lecture
or this occasioe, but men-of-letters will scarcely approve the
wholesale condemnation of Built, which since the days of
Jeffrey's essay on him has become a kind of fashion ]
In the comedies of Coogreve (Hr. Thackeray continued)
there was no more charitable pupae than in Euclid. No
doubt, indeed, be was a pleasant pause in society. He must I
have had some good qualities to Tashi so many friends so
long ; for the world found out a man very MOO, and detested
a poltroon and a quack. But what human love was there In
that tawdry, false, glittering, hollow comedy of the " Bas-
toration" ?

Apropos of Steele, Addison, and the Spectator, the audi-
ence were treated to a personal reminiscence of America—
s country where kindness, and courtesy, and good nature,
as he told us, were in nothing more conspicuous (though
you meet them constaotly) than is the gallant attention
everywhere shown to women. Deady and elowa alike
yielded place to a woman in omnibus or railway oar. Sir
Roger de Coverley would have loved this tree evidence of
the feeling of the Resinous. It would have so pleased
Steele, that be would have takes the gentle dandy or clews
to the nearest tavern, and treated him to a bottle—pnsibly
to Biz bottles. " I don't mean," added Tinekeray, "to set
down the len five bottles to the score of Disk Steele's good
works. They would be very decidedly works of supereroga-
tion." Steele was the founder of the school of sentimental hu-
mour. Before biotite', people thought feeling an affair only
for blank verse. He made classic the joys and sorrows of all
mankind. To bins, and Addition, and their lit , the
cause of charity owed an immense debt. Everybody could
enjoy the " Spectator." In it was preserved the image of
that age with its extinct mermen, the fine gentleman who
had passed away, and all the playfulness and gaiety and
wit which Winged to its clever men. Of Mr. Therkeray's
high opines of Addison no nodes needs to be reminded.
He dwelt as medially oa the humanity of the man, nee
night, as in the pages of his " Humorists." He nab.,
also, emphatically noted the manly qualities and deep pa.
ality of great, kind, wise, erring 'roadies. An Amin tf
his " Jonathan Wild "led to some nimble oteervatlentl •
the innocent ignorant), with which simple people read
humorists without insight into their objects—as child-
ren read " Gulliver " for the story. Boma were shocked at
" Jonathan Wild." who did not see below the canto mask
which the satirist neeessarily wean.
An o:eureka wee now made by Mr. Thackeray into the
subject of cheap *ante works—of the humorous amusements
of the populace. He noted here (in evidence of the natural
tendency of WOW writlog to be fa favour of the weak
naiad thie street) that in all popular plays and stories the
giant bully is thrashed by the little fellow. And here he
convulsed the audience with some ehermbeig raillery of the
"Mysteries of the Court of London," which eneesrages
that popular sentiment is its own way. Some years sines
be bought that work, and found our late monarch, poor
George the Fourth, employed is the moat infamies, designs
against the wives of the tradesmen of his realm. Some
lure pawed. He (Mr. Thukeray) bought a current
part of that work again ; and here was the monarch
still occupied in his nefarious employment. La the penny
theatres there was always a "minion of wealth," who
swaggered about with a halfpenny can*, and was engaged
in attempting to wrong a daughter( of the people—the
aMempt always resulting in the exit ►y the window of the
Assigning miscreant, at the hands of a virtuous young Muh-
-1 smith. No part of the lecture excited more hilarity than
ibis—in which the °Nest of the leetarer's satin was easily
and pleasantly exposed, with a kind of marderess gaiety,
reminding ewe of Voltaire, and slso of Sydney Smith. The
fun, throughout, was subservient to the cease of goad
nature however; aad when the lecturer sought in the
walnut writers of our owa times, for farther illestratioas of
his leading idea—that natio literature aide the general *anti-
moat of kindness—the sortie! warmth with which he peaked
his contemporaries, and especially Mr.Diekens, excited much
enthusiasm. He said he should always remember wilt
pride that an article of his about Hood (whom he ranked ,
with the greatest of his clean) ►ad gratified that writer when
he was on his deathbed.

The latter part of the lecture included a Delius of Lamb.
Lad Mr. Thaekeray did net omit to 'Bade to those who
charged his with taking a dark view of life ; observing
emphatically that he nest write what be thought the truth;
that to do else were to mash inane. against his wansedenee
1 sad against that Power which had bass plumed to plain
kin la the calling whisk he followed.
The estraets chosen by Mr. Theekeray (ioolediag lamb's
Captain JaCk•Olk ") wen felicitous s and from first to last
we observed, that hi. assay was heard with pleasure—dashed
onsetheee by a deeps: emptiest. He eoneleded by easeane.
lag that either Mr. Jacob Bell or himself would be glad to
native us staatte is the name to aid lank he hod now bees
add:slang then.

MIT FOR NEWSPAPER/3.

[The qaestice of acepyright for newspapers has
nowhere been more completely and ably elucidated
than in the evidence given by our lanwested friend
Mr. Frederick Haight Hunt before Mr. Milner Gib-
son'e Committee. flat evidence wu very imperfectly
re ported in the notes appended to the committee's
report • but as Mr. Hunt's sudden death prevented
the realisation of his design to revise them, or develop
his views more fully in some other form, no hater
record has been preserved of hie opinions. We, there-
fore. reprint the notes of his evidence from the Blue-
book containing the committee's report, on account
of their importance at the present moment.)—Daily
I News.

Mr. Frederick Knight Haat, ailed is, and examined:
Chairman—You us connected with the Daily New, are
you not I—Yen
What aloe do you hold on that paper ?—I am sub.editor
of the Doily New;—the editor of the news portico of the
paper ;—tbe details of the paper.
The general management and position of that paper are
of course within your knowledge I—Yes.
Have yea an &menet of the amount of stamp duty that
yon paid last year on papers and supplement' T—l have not.
A knowledge of that falls within the province of the massa-
jer of the paper ; I have only to do with the news of the
ournal, the reports, and the reception and arrangement of
news. In fair, lam the working editor of the paper, apart
from its opinions. I have nothing to do with the number
of stamps issued.
Do you conceive that the Doily New would be benefited
by the repeal of the stamp upon newspapers T—l have
taken some trouble to examine the program of different
newspapers with • view to a book, the "Fourth Estate,"
which I printed some time ago and I am of opinion that the
best paps rs would thrive by the removal of the stamp ; teat
le to say, that the Tower, the Daily New, and other morn-
ing papas that are conducted with talent, would thrive if
the stamp were removed, provided that on the removal of
**stamp they were protected in the property they publish ;
that is to say, in the possession of important news. At pretreat
the cowl morning paper., which are ia the handssof about
(Our sets of proprietors, pay for all the important intelligence
that is distributed over these kingdoms. Four sets of pro-
prietors out of the six morning papers pay fur the Indian
mail ; they pay also for reports of the law court., sod they
give the most elaborate account of the parliamentary pro-
ocedinta ; and all the special reports they pay fot ought to
be regerema as their property. If you give the newspaper
proprietors some twelve hours' copyright in that which they
pay for, I thick they would then thrive by the removal of
the penny stamp, and that all the papers might then he
reduced in price; an the Times be sold for 311. or 3d.,
and the Disolv New certainly for 3d. I should say, But
if you wire to take off the stamp to-morrow without evil,'
any cop) right in important special news (the Indian mail,
for instance, which perhaps might cost SW. or 1001.), the
effect would be to reduce the character of the newspapers ;
became moo would not give 801. or 1001. for an Indian
mail, unless they could have a property in it for • certain
number of hours. _

You are exposed to piracy now, are you not ?—Yes, we
are s xposed to piracy to• vary large extent; but if you take
off the stamp (lodging by the character of the cheap prods.-
tions of the preser.t hay—the penny papers—who pay no.
thing for authorship, and who pay nothing for reporters,
and whose petters are made up almost entirely from other
jcarnals), you will lay the morniag papers open to a larger
motet of piracy tbas at present ; and the proprietors, In
self-defence, must cease to give you so template a newspaper
as they now offer.
Sir T. F. Lewis—Would it be possible to devise any
scheme of effectual protection in the nature of copyright
newspepers? You have suggested the ides that it should
13a penal to republish, during • certain 'slumber of hours,
that which appeared in the Daily News or news; would
it be possible to p persons from taking the substance
of the news, end, as it were, reonmpoanding it, and putting
it in somewhat different phraseology, condensing it a little,
and patting it forth as if it were their own T-1 think it
would. Say that the Indian mail is brought be steam to
Trieste, and sent through Austria, Prussia, and Belgians, to
Calais, and then brought over by is steamer (kept waiting
for the message with her steam up ate large expense) to
Dover, and thence by electric telegraph to Lvadoe, as is the
practlie of the morning papers at present. It is not possi-
ble that a penny newspaper could go to such espeases for
such news, and no change in the verbiage of the telegraphic
despatch could a t conceal the piracy as to protect the party
guilty of it. The overland mail comes by telegraph, oia
Trieste, perhaps 12 or 24, or 38 hours before letters from
India an delivered. •

Are the committee to conclude that your opinion is that
there would be sufficient protection if persoos were pre-
vented from pirating intelligence, and giving the debates in
parliament squally for a certain time I—Any paper might
give the debates in parliament; they are things at home.
They could send a reporter into the gallery to write them •
summary containing quite as much as the general public
would care to nad ; that is not the else. of news that re-
quires scything like a law agaiost piracy, but copies of sub
as the Indian mall. Such mews u the earliest intelligence
by six or eight hours of some convulsion in some town In
Europe to which a 'loco( proprietors have sent a correspon-
dent should be protected. At present you have in Londe'',
papers which, for the extent of their intelligence and the
character of it, are certainly unequalled ; they have grown
up to their present position under a great many difficulties,
though they are now subject to piracy. But the only per-
sons in a condition to pirate are persons who have stamped
newspapers, and who ere restrained, to a large extent, by
rudderations of honesty and character. But as to piracy
with the penny unstamped publication., which are betted
in large numbers in some parts of London, the ease is widely
different. Seth moo, when they get • press, will print any-
thing they can take bol-1 of. They pay no authorship. It
may hempen that en article from the Times is quoted all
over the country ; to the Times it now matters not; if an
article is taken and qunted the rinses may regard it as •
compliment; but if the Times had to run in competition
with • three halfpenny journal, it would be another matter.
The Times, in order to 'apply its 38,000 subscribers, must
issue its first copies at heft-past four in the morning to get
the trains for the north ; if a man in Londou got one copy
and took the articles and reprinted them, be would be run-
ning into competition with the 7 inift. without incurring ens
tenth part of the expense* paid by that journal.
Mr. G. A. Hamilton—How could you prevent piracy with
regard to news when the events had recurred abroad I—ln
any alteration of the law relative to the press,—if you took
off the .tamp,—you should, as at present, require persons
bevies newspapers to give security against libels and defa-
mation, and make them in addition give security that they
would p iy the damages in any action that might be brought
Ugliest them for piracy, sod the thing would be complete.
With regard to the Draw News, we have had one or two
potable instances in which, partly by money and partly by
the exercise of diligence and energy, we have got news to
London before other papers. Such successes are essential to
a paper, as helping to establish its character; but these mole
things have been taken, as the law steeds at present, b
other papers, without any chases of redress.
Sir T. F. Lewis—On the same day ?—Yes. From the
London papers at present we are liable to piracy. If yea
make free trade in newspapers you must have a law whisk
shall give a property in a pies. of exclusive news fir a ma*
tate number of hours, and which would enable the owned
that sews to proceed against any person who stole it.
Mr. G. A. Hamilton—Hew is it possible with retinae
to an event which has occurred, for instance in Germany,
that you could devise any plan by which the copyright of
that intelligence meld be secured I—l will endeavour to
explain. You have, guy, on the 26th of May intelligence
which shall appose in the Daily New. in its intelligence'
from India of a given date, the 29th of April; we know it
is impossible for steam to brier it in the time, it can only
come by the elects's, telegraph, and that is only to be scram
;dished by elaborate arrangements and agencies, which are
nest wetly. If the Tames, or the Daily News, or the four
papers now paying thou equines, bring a piece of impor-
tant Indian sews to London, say of a battle, or some other
great event, they take ft by the ordinary mail packet to
Malta, and send it to Trieste by steam, and through Austria,
Prussia, and Belgium, to Ostend cr Calais; they keep a
'beat waiting bring it across to Dover; it reaches London
Ia the middle of the night, say three St the morning ; it
manes to the offices of these (our papers ; it is printed by
them, say at half-past four, in order to go by railway to
.apply their customer* at Manchester, Birmingham,
sad Liverpool, and if this was pirated they would
be enabled, under • law such as I tersest, to go
late a *Mart of law, and say, we claim exclusive
skid to this piece of news, and let the defendant, if
be denies our right, say how he got it. Things which are
ly important, and which are specially costly to obtais,
would be very easy to identify and to protect. In the
Mater of Parliamentary debates piracy would not be of so
Meallaensequence ; no newepaper proprietor would ask fee
tetssi pretectios in that matter, but he desires to be pre•
meted la the honest enjoyment of the foreign sad other
news he pays high prices for.
Sir T. F. Lewis—Would you extend your answer to the
reports of law proceedisgs in courts of justice, and ales
proceedings before the magistrates; would on reqtire pros
tuition with reference to thou matters ?—I de cot think it
would be very forestial. But supposing a very important
ease to occur, the newspapers employ three or four reporters
of skill and character to take a loos report, and then if that
report was taken wholly and entirely, and if the proprietor
of the report chose to complain, it would then, of course, bee,
question for ajar? to say whether or no the man so hiking it'
was justideds It is rather for them points of news in which
the English pass is unequalled (and there is no press like it),
that sesoollg Is wasted. I have beside good deal said shout
ski Med= sad the French press, sod thinking it possible
taut n gesetioa might be put upon the subject I have
beinglit as.. specimens with me (handing in the same);
med if the committee compare these Farb. New YPrk.
S, Berlin, and Madrid papers with the Times or
News they will see that the newspapers of
on, that is to say, the morales paper. of London,
contain an mount of news which is not contained in
any foreign papery. A French paper give. you some very
deur—emu extremely clever, bodies articles. Is times of
szelMeseet, there is a long report of the debates is the Cham-
ber, bet there it almost studs; there are no .hip; ng lists,
fsei.wn osa=tithe.pseit the markets,
T.aapc.uarkarestso,fddnriffo.reirietpoirridtaintoopeof
Bah upon. courts of
stateot
to t hi iswo.tE a ell-
Mr. Cobden—you sow speak of French papers, and not
cf the American I—la the American press you Ind a great
deal of oommereiel sews, cad if the coommtme compare

this American newspaper
(pointing to one) with the
Times or Deily New of to-day, they will fled that this amount of information ad news for the people is Intranet,
null. There is on it *nee sa comber of advertisemeNtaa
.bleb are peelltable, sad there is a quantity of shipping
newt. lodised their esannereial news to very good in Aust-
ria.; bat look at the leading article, and you find it is but a
small paragraph (pointieg out the same).
Bit T. F. Lewlo—Tbe leadiag artiele does not occupy
then half ookeur l—No; and the whole real news in this
American paper, which is the best commercial paper of New
York, would go into lase than one page of i Loudon paper.
Can you give the committee any information upon this
point ; of the total number of papers published by the Daily
New. or the nesse, what proportion goes out of London foe
sesmadary sale t—l cannot sty ; I should think it probable
that it might be from a quarter toe third.
Chairman—You have stated that at present you are sub-
ject to piracy; that you consider the proprietors of news-
papers are entitled to have a property in the new. which
they have laid out money to procure, and you think it pro-
bable that there will be more pirates than now if the stamp
were removed; but you do not mean the committee to un-
derstand, do you, that as far as the stamp is concerned, you
advocate its mainteraece on its own merits I—Certainly not;
I think that all the papers would improve greatly if the
stamp were removed and they bad protection from piracy ;
they an interested in the removal of the stamp, except pat-
ine,. the moot successful of all, the Tines, which I do not
think is so much interested in removing the stamp, became
it being sow in the first poalUon, soy change could not im-
prove hut might inlay. it. I think that the Daily New,
the Morning Chronicle, and the Herald would be improved
in their position by the removal of the stamp; I think that
the general circulation of papers would be greatly increased.
hut that some of them would be obliged t 2 ionise new blood
and a more popular feeling into their colossal generally;
for they would doubtless have a number of popular rivals.
Sir T. F. Lewis—How do you contemplate that the Lon-
, don pspen would he eitentated ? by post or otherwise ? At
present the bulk of the circulation, all the early circulatlin
of the London morning papers is the provinces, is conducted
without the Post office ; they are sant down in large hales by
the =amigo mails; large bales of papers are sent to local
agents ; cud the local agent., I believe, clings some little gn-
i dition to the price for the paper*, to remunerate them for
• the 011114•11111 of them by railway parcel.
With reference to the portion of Its circulation, a London
paper derives no benefit from the circulation of those papers
oo.talte free, does it I—From a portion it does; it is proba-
ble that after a paper is taken down into the country by
railway, it may be sold and sent by post in the evening. I
presume that it Parliament consented to remove the stamp
from newspapers, they would probably allow newspapers
under an ounce or two ounces to go by pod with a penny
stamp affixed._

WOisld that suffice, do you think t—l think it would
quite ; it seems to me that the great point is that we should
not damage the newspapers of Eastland. Tne Lando') news-
, papers, on a fair comparison with others, are the most 'tem-
plate, are those upon which the most money is expended,
and those upon which most vigilance is exercised, in the
world. The proof lies in themes hill ; they ought not to be
damaged by any change in the law in reference to the press.
If the legislature took the irony stamp off, granting to
newspaper proprietors a legal property in costly pieces of
Intelligence, I thick that the change would improve the
press ; it would im►reve newspapers generally, and it would
give every ore of them a larger circulation. At present the
proprietors in London pay for the (wetly news I have spoken
of, and others steal it. Suppose the Indian mail, for in-
stance, comes in on a Tuesday morning, is printed in a morn-
ing paper, and is taken down a railway line; a copy of the
riper is thrown out, say, at Northampton, and if it happens
to be the day of publication of the Northampton paper, the
agent is there to get this paper, in order that the proprietors
may reprint and sell that which cost 1001. to proprietors in
London, and it is obtlened at Northampton for 6d. If not
protected, the proprietors of newspapers in London would be
compelled to give up such things as Indian mails.
Are the leading articles in the principal papers frequently,
copied I—Yes ; but when copied and acknowledged, that is
seldom objected to.
Would you extend the copyright to leading articles ?—I
think the law of copyright in news should be framed in this
way; that if a man purchased a thing, whether en Indian
mail or a discussion in Parliament, or an article discussing a
matter of national importance, if he chose to attach a value
to it, he should be enabled to go before a jury and ask them
to give him a remedy spinet a men who had pirated it.
Nr. G. A. Hamtlton.—The law of copyright now has
reference to specific publications or specific designs.
Applying the principle of copyright i■ the macuer you
suggest, would you prevent the publisher of a country
oewspaper from publishing the report of a battle in India?—
After six or eight hours, certainly not. It should be after
he hod, Of might have, received it by way of post ; when
it had become public property in fact.
Would you p his publishing as soon as he could, in
order to anticipate the intelligence contained in the London
rapers, a report of that battle I—The news h►viag been ob-
tained in the way I have mentioned, I think that
ns London paper would at all object to such a
pablicatila as this If the Northampton Herald. for
• instance, should say, "The Times and the Doily News
contain an account of a great battle in India, in which
20,000 men have been killed and wounded," no
paper would be likely to object to that. But the injustice
is this; the expenses cf the morning papers are enormous;
they have agents where anything is likely to turn out of
interest to the public; they bring this information home,
end if the paper is printed at five o'clock in the morning,
end if the Northampton paper reprints the whole substance of
• it the same morning at ten o'clock, the newspaper proprietors
in London, who are the real owners of the new*, ars de-
prived of the full enjoyment of that to which tbi y are en-
titled. Any ease of polies. or any proceeding in a court of
law, may be any man's property ; for any man can easily go
and get it; but news from distant ploc,e is au:Aber thing.
If the stamp were removed, and a copyright in news given
for six or eight or ten hours, the host ;epees would not be
injured at all. The London papers would circulate more
widely, and people would get newspapers to inform them on
political subjects, and get them as cheaply I think as for 2d.
Not a newspaper like the Times or Daily News; I do not
think they would get those at quite so small a price, but
they might perhaps have newspapen for 21.
Do you mean a trasieript or a copy of those papers ?
They might get a sucrmary of them, which should be ac-
knowledged; but I shirk it should be left in the hands of
the owner of the news, whether he would objet or not to
such a summery ; but an the law protects a man who hes
brought from India a piece of cotton and paid for it, the
law ought to protect a man who brings from Indic a piece
of news and paid for it. When news • by post by the
ordiasry mail, it is eveery man's property ; but when it ban
been brought to this country at great private expense, and
at the cost of four nets' of proprietors, and it is pirated, that

is an injustice; it ought to remain the properly of its pro-
prietors till it blames the property of the public.
The law protects a specific design as regards cotton ; this
analogy would only go to estabich • cspyright as far as
regards the espyiog f a particular article, or copying a
specific piece of news ; but it would not apply t cases where
substantially the !MS intelligence in another form was
given P—l should soy that if a man owns a piece of cotton
or a piece of Dews, be is entitled to say how much of that
may be abstracted by another person with his leave, and
how much may not ; tt is his property till it 'Acmes public

property-
Chairman.—Ds you think it is a foolish apprehension
that in other respects the established newspapers would
have anything to fear from the rivalry that would rise up
in consequence of the removal of the stamp ?—I have a very
distinct opinion upon that subject. I have been writing in
varione papers, and have some knowledge of their affairs;
(or instance, Dickens's Household Words, which I know
enfoys a very wide circulation without any suck " OTMOO-
tion" as a romp; and I do not think anybody ran bring out
a twopenny paper to beat that. Mr. Di, kens sells a
very large number. And, again, you could not bring
oat any twopenny paper to beat Pesach. Talent protects
itself. If the Times is the best newspaper in London, it
would get the greatest number of purchasers, whether it he
stamped or unstamped. The Daily News is ou;y a young
roper, and has not a tenth part of the age upon it that the
limes hes ; yet it occupies, I supposr, the rem d place on
the London press, and (it seems to me) it never need fear
the taking Giro( the stamp.
The advantage in any competition of having an already
existing organisation and experience in conducting news-
papers would of course be all-favourable to the success of
the established papers ?—Clearly. You could not get up
the organisation of the Daily ems, for instance, under
any circumstances, without tne loss of some two or thrtle
jean; and yen could not get up any such papers ;Is we see
an London this day without great ezrenditurs of time and
money. When any change of the law comer, therefore, a
' rival could not hope to equal them at once, as you cannot
procure all the news and get it prepared for the public in
the careful mincer in which the present newspaper proprie-
tors prepare it, without a large and ezpensive staff It you
protect what they proclaim they will go en in the same way,
and the press will not go down from its present level,
though the stamp be removed.

Sir T. F. Lewis—What advantage is derived from the
use of machinery ; is it merely rapidity I—Yes, rapidity of
production. The Times is very greatly interested in bevieg
very rapid machinery ; but for a paper that circulates only
7,000 a day, an ordinary machine whiuh throws off 4,000 or
6,000 an hour well do. Supposing the House of Pa.liassent
sits till two in the morning, the papers have skilful marten
there, who mike all haste to the office, and when there
would write out the letter ►art of the debate, say within
en hour, which would make it three o'clork ; and the paper
can be completed end sent to press. Say the early [raise
go oat at a quarter put air, and between dime and a
quarter past sic the printers must produce the number of
papers required to supply their country subscriber. ; and if
you want to seed away 12,000, a 6,00 per.bour machine
will answer that purpose. Bat if the Toms warm to stud
20,000 by early trains,
machine. In that way.
latino of a Pal*, like the
mend, the French papers
mouse. Some London

log long before pubfica
Instance, is dated on sands
orris on Thursday night, a
first news later than Thai

every six or twelve hoot
ansalaary of intelligence ,
day night.
Mr. Rich—With regard
rsaconveying eiilunetw ris from iinla
totv
t
very easy to find out bow
trace It with regard to •

:then they must have a more rapid
y defective machinery limita the abets.,
te:.
g oto pressTimes.To earlysupt in
h
supply t•tai r lsr
e iota
to weekly papers have • IR First.
ication. The Illustrat • . Coe .. 1,6) • •
anday, but its grit edit a : At .• • .
ht, and thee cannot btit•r, , ilk •
1
Thtraday night ; tt•eyo . • p
ire, a little bit of type Milli .o' Al ''.
e ; but tt ey begin to ppn .•i I,e • 1141,
;ard to the question of jed• •.•Ai i -•
"°... -.-
1 the Indian news; b' 1 • - •
~j,,a' ' '....
in India is so narrow that t .. a e".•
bow it was pirated ; hew wn .
V2g,
contMeatal events I—Suntan:es the

mutest far fa mety imelligmes k vary bee, and it meld be
emu% tboi while of • paper to keep up • emiderable staff,
sal 'p asidandle ameast of eSsleusy. for the cheats
rney sew mid this of reorivier • very spied pisea el is,
I remember do Itevelatioa el ISO whsa Milt
Fesi•rittgatt. The Paris railway Odin% tad the stalk*
the Moraine Railway amass she Noy vela ell babes
up, and them wen as tails pis, aid mein !fib
ea se sr ?Sin Om of the eresepeahate d •
rpm the ihenwow Pest, ping dews elk kis domatose.ster
a mat shot sad till Owe dad M his hot by Molds of the
newsy. He west bah amis. mi. Me iamb liegft
thought it impossible to get, say esgetehoe ea id
ese serrespeedad la Paris who tbeasht of sets expeAsset
Se Armed • mu la • biome. aid mat Ida thteMb MA
disturbed streets dories elt the =all
effbig A get
ea A ••
eatable the barrier. adthee ea sime NM Arm
the Ike till he Amid s Mkt M tibia obeelatisa of
dm earnests woe tiff la rakes The rasa Ad Mk, the
mews mead Look% and It use Is me Benda* papa
(sky. It wee the GM sew ef the Weide/ ea She bead.
mien Now, if the papa to Wail that mem ma
mold ham bad the full bomb of it, it mold hem
Y making its Mane ; hat es the kw is M plesethdat;
temped= mew greet A
metaked t the NW daily
took the aim ems de paper thd
.lave, lad thetelig the real owata of it lost abeeelirlasithe
credit a it.
Hew woad yea main e the law' whet dram menet
with
as to madasatal meats el 1••••11i1
WOMB as ate se milk that say Isla pi. sag was
the
aa aemadeg without tweet Mame'
it:
buf is the spoil estie—abere • ad ef seed a
wessmissesaf. At Adam to Haugutle. that mom-
Wialmonsitffb Mr_ bra &Riled. awl BMW be wory.
of the paper empleybig him. Laving the
aide :id lie prepridere aprom Moir ht; ST
BMW as C e ock-
say cee who *seal it, to shew el
egernieet of his ewe.
That is wham the istoiligems is lowsght by cm sue ;
Met If mead sowed at Ptak. at Timm. et whams. the
&mad of aterawsdeatiss is hoed, meal yea Mos matela
the easiesieedeldl —lsm mead ere mamma pewee.
limas be Pads. he Mesas% are harms A Ueda' by met
at elm Vole* mat sleeks ; bat U • at .1 ~dm
of Loam mossiag papas ham their asmeme Is
Park to write eat as admit of public mead dam oath"
briar le Lssdn at bait-post feet is Me mom
(briar
bum
pest tan
MIS saiontior MI Me bear
wise the on pest weld It, that sem *mit
baker to thorns whe havitsis ter it; sad they e•—•-
M.lt If we es the Miss g ..!" et • -
mad OM It at Ike e' la the mensaikeir.._
to Ilkoolesausely Mr. A. se Mr. 8., lidee ls
arose (pealamog a pepor at is., kW ti M bas pet
silkier AM he ma paid for Ms tie Iselin adds), shield
set he saidet at Are *Week to laq a espy of the D•I4
News, Obi a Whtifirate ear Ws A Innis
by Us Atm
deedas
wail demallok What the millasory post OMB
la. It e bit rover, or asybodee sown I am seek.
te pat s slems ups Ibis point, Masse I fed my mad
isestmeed is the deem of the press la laglaad. As I said
beim, logload las die
withoutepsin k de worlds sad ff
yes is with them eider them sow peeks.
Ass wilt seem= a that whisk they pay for, they will
inn ea pap hr it. sad you will mese to have mash sews.
MN yes get taw.
than. sepposim it possible foe thaerzielsoo to
is Me phew lama amber, the t
mend hr twelve Were, bessusWerifebtellimme =
arrive nasally midi a very few hours after tb e arrival
of your special deopsah t—Tse. Supposing I claimed pia
party is a pima of mews from Perla, that rushed site at
my Wee at eve la the teeming, I should sot brim as
adios spied • man for the pussy of that sews, who Ad
satirist It twelve °Wed on the same day ; I should
blew that he would soma me by ovaries that It might
ham oeme by pest. las set sere for bow mais bean the
kw segitt.ttLa uses the eadueive p of les-
perms la
You ay you woad ail mosplain if the publider of
• moilbs•AJP•Mf_. Imdelekly he saw the letelligesse
Y elle MUM. IN MN" SA that news, smear
thatbe Maisel it Item the News P—l do net
AIM Ad tap see ef object to that; but
Id A ealt sheaf not ll:irtheawilowaer ef the la taigas' to
mg wbefese he wan blared or net. The London matesper
watt say, "We wiU pay our 30.0001. or
ir yew
c aem we ," sad wM my to A., 8., es. 0 ,
sa may espy ass ai alwgu if yew will eakaowledp
this. et you may eery ear as and we will supply yea
with thin hr I. a year ;'• bet at present Oise are
espied tasty beer. male Lemke, dia. this stet peat
ead Meet% ebbed amomposse. et ems edam-
Thee is me dig Mash k aim bike pkted
=...amseakst bbLeads% whisk sequipos egrets A mei
and is many parts of Isdwed, for its paparatice ;
=7—
goat seeds up see Icedw.i. about the wea-
ther. 'Miss hem • met i affair a amain,
sal it ha boas be Alain the amistame of the
Asamamer Royal. mil Moil is all the chief vallway
Baas, to aompliat A The Isesingems A misted ia a paper
is Lemke, and is the allsemmi of sash it is pirated
without the Mildest selmoulidgmat. a, it Is mem
any
maythat • adds leaks Mitt gAt maii bs
monis.. le shymeats at Bristol. at
at Dahlia, at Linseed. milt Gravesead--all Ism
es who and spiel despekbes, for whkh railway
wrier A palfl, mid steep is eke )all for brio them
a • nemtsitar demm. Prom thewhale of the,
• dee Is spedally omelwei a paws • live of
Whoa ilefieta, it hj. AdtM is a awake and le
the seas day it is. hum dated tidied de or
haewledgmmit The law is at peoseet
and Jed** hes the diameter of eirmares=d
roam spew (white de ast pay for @spider al d.=
Asir arlids), if you take off the damp with-
out slaw posamdes staled the evil of MAW. 7••
will dam the press of Landes ee the lowl of de dm
a
motor the Amebae pm. The Herm. ppaapap,ssmad the
Peat are am all Worm is amnia of a
the Beglishpapers ; sad I think it wry deresibl=
ammo al logliebsess mast thick a, be IsimplAl
pm:at:Oar petit standard.
—De yea thiak that them wadi be flee
pbselog if the steam were removed P—Yes.
lA. ]kith.—lt would be mash sore difficult be asides
the km this, would it set t—Yes.
Me I. Walmley.—lt there were more pussy Met
menet yea ems 'Mar the same mount
that Is. de sew. sad la the same way t—Yes, I akk it
would. If s stesster asteepaper mowed • costly plass of
latormatioe. aril for the sake of getting it into the "
early, bees a print it at S. o'clock in the soaord:"Z
the meat (heeler a large inhalation). was •=1:
ate beam or three hours (mid the rums Is
smastimse MM four hours in sopphing Summary Mew
latine) ;—if at 1,. o'doe Mr. A. or Mr. B. laseght • espy
for 6C., and et arm reedited that mows, he meld pat the
rimmed of She media, by miller it, my lim lid. ; sad
that the peagebeess woad mad le buy this
expeeeke
sew. sada mote wadi ewe a be ea get as they
are ISM

to gni

dew, asi sweehi lave ibeibated thesesbeat tire
breadth et mi sat Detest men Witb aseleael view..
Ti. tblak tee§ wadi be ungodly Issessmal by tbi
reaseval if tbrelem Waled stallbe Ms
papers wee id eleiriblisi by a heairpeolep Isitr I—Un-
doubtedly.
Toe do set appeased that there wealg be say tsaileasy
elappellee .tierarer toy the aultlpiasallea et the amber
l aeleopepre P—lto; Uwe midi belllll9 mass. Ilke
the Cltabashisi Lebo- Oa. te Ors lesel seers,:ki•rpm
strlitelp7= I=aaenv: tbelm:eZeryillmalsters eel 04
at... thee ever. Was to segieiral 'plata&

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