The Express.
London, England, 1852-05-08 00:00:00

WEEKLY SUMMARY OF THE PRODUCE
MARKETS.

MINCIRO-LANI, SATURDAY hfORNIXO.
The colonial markets continue firm, and with a
good demand for most articles of produce. Sugar has sold
well, and prices are about lid. per cwt. above those of last
week; for the foreign descriptions especially there has been
much inquiry. The sale of Java Sugar, held in Rotterdam
yesterday, is reported to have gone off at about I tot florins
advance. The native descriptions of Ceylon Coffee continue
to attract the attention of speculators, and a large business
has been done at 435. per cwt. ; the Plantation kiads have
also improved to the extent of about is. per cwt. The quar-
terly sales of Cinnamon were held on the 3rd instant : the
low to middling sorts went at about former rates, but good
and tine descriptions were occasionally sold at Id. to 2d. per
lb. decline. In Tea there have been no more speculative
purchases of common Congou, but the dealers arc buyers at
from lOd. to Is. per lb.

TALLOW MARKET.—THIS DAY.
There have been no transactions in Tallow today, and
prices may consequently be quoted the tame as yesterday,
Ms.: Town Tallow, 36e. 6d. nett ; Petersburg Y. C. on the
spot, 38s. 3d. ; October to December (1862), 375. to ed. ; on
or before the end of May, Ws. to 360. 3d.
Manta? AVRILAOIB.—Town Tallow, 38s. 9.1. ; fat by
ditto, 2s. Old. ; yellow Ituseian, 375. 6d. ; melted stuff, 27e. ;
rough ditto, 168.6 d. ; Tallow graves, 9a. ; good dregs, ds.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—FBIDAT, MAT 7.
T►e bow ain la 3 eels& ; Lord RS/MEDALS Mt
der. PUBLIC BUSINESS.

PETITIONS PRESENTED.
ltevaucern.—D7 the Earl of RODEN, from a play is'
Wuwiekehire, mad , mod several
ether sia irrigY, from three
places in the comity of Rees ; the Bishop of SALISBURY,
from a place is his disarm ; Lord FEVEItSEAII, boss
Livereedge ; and the Earl of ZETLAND, from spinosa
heardrws;zaiast the resiewal of the grant to the oder et
ix•ravtiom or Nenunatas.—By the Earl of RODEN.
tram a place in Athletic, praying for the inspection of
sweeties.
TIIE WAR WITII AVA.
The Earl of DERBY said that with reference to a ques-
tion pot to hiss last 'resins by the noble earl opposite. lie
had mule inquiries in another place and had amertaised
that there was not:daft-Boa whatever to lay upon the table
the papers relative to the war with Ara; but, in conse-
quence of as widest which had occurred to the mail
*scattier, between Cideutta end Bombay. neither the Board
of Control nor the EVIIOIIIII C0611)311, bad received any
deepatelirs. rout the arrival of the neat mail, it would be
iinporiblo then fore for the government to complete the
in required; be would, therefore. suggest the
propriety of the noble earl yoomponin; is unarm until the
government were able to lay the papers ou the table in a
complete form.
The Earl of ELLENDOROCOH concurred in the seg.
geetioa of the noble earl; sad, under ezistiag eireom•
steer... be doubted whether it would not be better to post-
pone the production of the parrs altogrthvr.
LAW OF EVIDENCE (SCOTLAND) BILL.
On the motion of the Earl of Mtm to this bill was read
a 'maid time.
DISABILITIES REPEAL BILL.
Oa the motion of Lord Lt S PHU WIT, this bill was read II
seces,l time.
LINEN. dz., MANUFACTURES (IRELAND) DILL.
On the motion of Lord Cuteaserza, this bill was read
a third time sad pawed.
ruou-ittuka, ACT CONTINUANCE BILL—LOAN

Mr. MAMMY malsaMpi

int govenmat, is naWki‘.
esassak their platy-
dsadsomars. ihttaialed Oa

so satitl;d ;jib tbs

the language et Ihshi►
into power smith* "PM
proneness wee melered,
obedient to their ism
Mr. B. COCHRAN!" edited apes hos. gentlemen oppo-
site sot to Miser this melees dimension, but to
mooed wi the business of the erasing.
Mr. BRIGHT was is. of those who thought
this es mush public good resulted is that bow
from dismiss as from legislstMa. Disesteem
tOecocolod esseekisally is dispelling delusions ;
and is. would perhaps be dispelled e 7 Om present discus-
sloe. As he thisight. the goverment was 'Me ie •
serious Meat for the mialessesin of a deem es calealised
to indict setketal injury. There were, indeed, two ammo
tions at present beteg practised by the party opposite. Om
hun. gentleman (Mr. Sperm) was answerable ihr is.. The
bon. gentleman was going to move fur • esmnatee to
inquire into the management of Maynooth. He was sup-
ported by a party an Moir to repeal the Mamma grant.
Now, if the hoc. member's committee, brag appointed,;Mid ascertain that the college was eseilsetal in
ihe manner assumed when the grant was 1/1010/Nol—that
WIN to say. in a manner calculated to advance the Roman
melselic religion—then the hon. member would, amerce,
have to allow that he had no ease whatever for the repeal of
the grant. (.. !fear," and cheers.) If, however, the has.
member should discover that the protestant, end not the
Roman Catholic religion, was the creed toggle at May-
nooth, then, obviously, the hon. member meals', • geld
ease fur asking parliament to withdraw the gram. am'
laughter.) The hon. member might he the dupe and set
the deceiver ; bet, at any rate, he was rmeniiiik balm
the country for an obvious deception. right hen.
R. Woman the Chancellor of the Exchequer was the rather
of another deception. It had served his purpose remarkably
well; and it was perhaps doubtful whether he could get
any more out of it, or whether he was now disposed to
down the ladder he had mounted by. (" Hear, hear," sad
laughter.) But he (Mr. Bright) dial not scruple to say that
a gentleman occupying the station of leader of the House of '
Commons could under no circumstances be justified is
leaving a question of great public importance, not only net
decided, but on one night in one position, on the next MOW
' in another position, at a time when he must ha M.
scions from the effect produced by his owe upesdiss
•
in past times, and her the general teem of
the addresses of his supporters that large rem
in this country were upraised with • bake
that their interests were bound up with thetertils.
elated with one joy by the intimations MO ilia
agedmwthe depths of despair by the NMI at 9M.
Ally. (Cheers.) He appealed to the M. MEM.
ie iiiimnetshire (Mr. Miles), or to the has. isteast he
Ihllll2 (Sir J. Tyrell), whether the booklet spoil et OW
eight hon. gentleman the other evening bad eat gesimed
ea most marked changes in their countesses's?
And afterwards, when the right boa. etntlille.
1111114, justifying everything with his peculiar
d words, whether those sunny seeps had net
listarmil which were always to be ma mites
a Ilmourite orator was melee that the sdriaddgag *MO
WO hopelessly ruined ? ((heat lartglime-.) lie ad sat
ham to what historical thiabill ma. amihmes
Wiriitydierseli) could be rare wee me es.
individual to whom he might he Bkeasd. demo
more ago an interesting deputing. from 1111110 North Mu-
res. ladiaas—whether Cherokees or Ollbbeirscheh; did

MIR i• Ib!! lllialy.

among them one man of great ability and rivet ingenuity.
lie acted for them as guide, counsellor, teacher,
Ad interpreter, even preseribseg for them, mad this indivi-
dual was called "the mystery man." (Cheers sad laughter.)
Now, when be (Mr. Bright) watched the tacos sad forms
of the boo. gentlemen opposite, ho could not avoid eon-
cludicg that the right hon. gentleman was "the 'sunny
man" of the aboriginal party. (Load and long continued
laughter, in which Mr. Disraeli very heartily joined.)
What had the right hon. gentleman said last? He (Mr.
Bright) was certainly surprised at the Income Tax Bill
having been brought on at so late an hone last night; but
he confessed that had he been present at the discussion
which had taken place he would not have caned any
opposable, because he believed there was ws alternative
but to wimact that tax. (lieu.) In the wens of the
discussion ea that matter, the right boa. gentleman,
Waking ef the peetbilitim els dimefution, had said it wan
an woman* egg mg emote Ist ewe imminent. It was
to be reenlist that die inenden had not been mentioned
a mouth or is etas ego. (Hear, hear.) But if ties
government was going so soon to appeal to the weeny,
then he (Mr. Brigid to sok why they were peening
this militia en which they probably had no
strong opinion, they had wry likely found in
their °Sow, LA mid& could only add to the un-
popularity of • t shady not too Wane
(Hear, hear.) set pelpme the bin till
October, Werembee,•7ilemmy,wM meet of them beget
to meet @pia i A peel sheep bed bees made in the lilt
last nen • and be tbeeelt the expeemion he bad used he
regent 01 that imp was a correct one—that they bed
abeademed the ameggescry which they had previously
alleged kg hemming ea the bill during this parliament.
(Moro Mar.) Thief (the government) and their great sup.
their friend. Weir champion, the noble ford (Lord
lrylmtlMen) omit ea longer plead urgency for the bill.
weed te lean it to the next parliament
IliZeita ditiher the ballot was necessary. Why, then,
sat Inn the lade bill to the next parliament ? A
adesneldevehie misseity in the house bad protested
the bill. Tbeflndisority was backed by the largest
etnellineneice roymeoniled in that house. If it was
Me that an elective nee imminent, if it was the
hell Oat the right in. gentleman win thinking
of mesa to the emery ea his general
be Cille. WM of him,
Helm Hied be all le ne - WWII demisters, to
mlilleeli the Militia Bill. He e to the eight hoc. gen-
tling* in tie mow friendly *rat ; he adamant the pert,
emerestaiallele the right boa. gentleman wild be well
i end_ Me men melte sure ft they mend take
Ilis Zee they wadi de themselves pest serene, and at
Walla the reedit of being more jlaillielle than the noble
bell Ihe member for the
_City of Leaden. (Cheers and
eseeilie awes.) Re (Mr. Bright) wield have no objection
to diem • smiler WI he lie next puilmnreat i sad, I. the
net Jenne rement from ea mullein pair,
mg ....laral row *Opel. the Now of Commas
ilimmitemy elm le n mimpetened eat sagaciousandrates. aboodes.)
Me. W. MIL ush
LS weld wwwer the appeal MI6 is him
by the lea member else hellion est down. He begged to
7441: he end hielbfreile had the uteaset emilimmain bee
's promet aliMillem (Mean rent the
Swim% and bested sheen hew the eiesisiee.rl"4:
bop' le my. Bothell Whether peeleellisieties were peo
peed is the nest pest6petzewbeibee judo was le be
less le seem ether wog—( see isegheer)—Wt
wen who* mob of thie—lbet the obilehe
their -eight lee. hint (Kr.
weleielesi is egwediee be would )
wouldoedem tarry out
imiee—mew n pans made by the him. geeillemes mead
romm%lemetter)—wader ether eiremnsienee—(demee and
end when he get a seobilley la thet beema 1
.) The hew. metier der Ifteekefte sell 1
=4 =li:the most friaarepirit. Perhaps be Oils
bet Isis mains were not ia with his intaillemet Me
zthat be did . as w to kepis eimesset the bine et
t Melee s the aiblethil Moho)
I. fi7.7.lmaamo could set =Meet whet Ile mead MOO
wee elleei (foseOler.) The eel week wee to 'ado
bos. wiegleoma agreete to rep bsend mho speohee
Fisio He beget thee the ipoomesee was he moot
with Oh MAO Moll SO wield eeetiewe to
peso Ite eel he If la ',pubs were
left es le ea to be ter a diessielles
Weald ftwestimw upeeshes sad get on with the
(Chews) The eseateid ally be dierteleill
with theee ee.
ler. lIPOOb NEreinrishoes4llll(l=l .7
II) few wade is W
the pelted allusions mete to him by the hen.
Me Isette_ .. Tbe bee. '-teem lei aired Nun
=.ll4sheossoivo of eselheeiwe that be wee either et
a ikeeeivee. (Laughter.) The eapeniee wee
Wormy peelbeemety hot he (Kr. lieeeeee) weeleli=al;
owor. mil wield etweely oboseve—reeleeeseeks the
win whet
by Ili kik geollearw—then he el est
on whet woes bo tree ease eswelee hem the In. made-
see% tweeter. (Laughter.) Be wend nee be lie lee.
Cdra'e dupe, immesh awe leg Is Ileihee, en
esselee, es he
etilq the debate ea Neyeeeth.
(Chien.) Ike wall he Waft that he we a Oahe, in
dr smiler. deee he bed dune wathlag to ierempt pulls
basins, Int hod begesto_night after night, that the
gentkine would wind up ibis and bring an swing but
what wee indispassite. aninisel neon) Se that he
was not the hen. gentlemen's dept end he wee net the
deceiver whisk the hes. padenine proved blmeeft, he
affecting eagerness he the siesises, mad in
all he melt to delay been. (lead cheers.) Ilirriri
of him he (Mr. Spooner) emelt net understand the 'remade
upon which hon. bed Itiemed the Chan-
cellor of the ExgZaceliC:etne be had when in
'nerd to the imam az. One end all of the bed ad-
mitted not We Tormesimmt was an mainaldleble snow
say—perhaps se Isaamildehis evil. Why bed they set
given the right boa. gentheme notice, that
the necessity they would, en of • sort of allimna=
oppose the bill ? When the right has. esstlemen we In
liming his budget the eller sign, shine end men of
approbation proceeded Ilem that Odle ilk
(Ironical Wears and kimbler.) The b hems
adopted by that side with
joy and sa nmomad
laughter)—sad yet, beams the right hoe. petioles bet
taken for paned tint that expression of monies amounted
to an agreement to pass the beam tax—the
point of thewas now attacked se
if he had been eiseing • march instead of only
having refused to sin en opportunity of advancing
the bill a step. (Omen.) Why, this was all
affectation and isowineei end it was to be hoped that this
most irregular Ohio emelt est be meatianed ineee.
Sir B. HALL mold net impel the diesemisa V wily be
cause it had 'Veiled the remdtabie teeisrotiea of tholes.
Ewan the member b•f Sinetsreetshire (Mr. Miss)).. He
. Hall) perbelly _dashes the de4annee. Be Iss-
it to he sinseee, end he len IMIS servised it It He
;
ere el them who bed deemed Mee epee& (the Hader)
the
imagined ige: right line3.Blgenhettald asili
I.
imp the
.polity he had advocated since I bet
.ireeisiii
SW admirable and lucid apeeeh—(ebeeea gym
be. gentleman corroborated is the fullest end
lIIIIIIIR every commis reial principle they (the 1111=
, hal advocated, and did fell justice to the ..en vb. bed SOF
sled free trade. (Cheers sad orb" of " Oh.") He (Sir B.
Hall) was, indeed, rather surprised that hie hen. Meets be-
lated him (Meson. Cobden, Bright, and %hilly) had come

Neril . Newthate) q
held immediately after the aceemile of the present govern-
meet to Fewer, mows seethe of amelhaticespmesdaLadages re-
Wads& was merisd dat, in ellbekwas agroyer
Almighty gnaws tholl Led Derby hat Wein; Premise.
(team el- haglike, dial woe prolonged he several
minstes.)
ha Hun. Manama—What prelate was present
Sir B. HALL—Oh, new at all. No arabishop. Oily
the member thr North Warwickshire. (This.miyboz:
followed by renewed merriment, is which the
joined.)
Hr. 181WDEGATII rose is the edit at the firte
emi is the meet minim 'manse aimed ids ceetime le
the et the he.. bouwel. That sigginintatien
sene toe rem a hem hello be aNegglm pew es
agog. He
aisethe hon. Lamest le wain, Set
alpe~seatallow it. He was WWII M lie W.
arawas itaatellien. Chesil.)
rr>lllt awed the km igntleman that SIM ilia
=Litthe wines be was alMat le take. He
tolibhaw INN 11111111110 word " prayerrit
shuidg have egg t. icsaiGurige at langthe
man
htor.)
" tiNthe seaslatimm mes
onal Amitelellen the the Ilhafi= of
of bewfrif g
Capital threaglent the NAM and then
lured this seseast :—" At a waft of the Addy
Committee of the National Awimilmirs be lie Promotive
of industry awl capital thlifille Ile Drhhb empire, belt
subs Seathowiemo, Ivies, IM Harsh, 1862, C. G.
N lisiehDyntliairmtatha n of 2:o6A:ea
hembig ib
the heel of Divine goodne tdin
ss in resent
and Mile gratitude the advent to power of is
"11:11t Dray.' (Great laughter.) Well, was this. Witi
doubt sew that that was a than 'ring ? PROM SIN
10,0100 Them were other rossMuone " Beedireth that
it be resenimanded to the appiedeumel and le meg HAIM
interest to use every possible legitimate memo la
(this was In Italics) to secure the return be. s an
counties of thorough supporters of Log Derby's govern.
and of the policy of which he has been the wet this
esd exponent ; and that the above resolutions
be to the Barl of Derby ; and that copies be
' trommitted to the elminmen of local soeieties throughout
the barks rid be otherwise generally circulated."
(Chary Illeilear and counter cheers.) It was all very
well M Hear, hear." (A violent" Hear, hear," from
Celled provoking universallaegider) But this
was a semi-government deeemsst. Did the
gallant affirm who cheered so loudly; baewithe were the
officals at @Gaiety ?He (Sir B. Han) would tall him;
and thus show that it was out of the mention
to expose t the milers of the prawn amid
mem ea -'hrestraiag prelsetion. He BAWD was
dehWleg the readmeary et Me greenrossatill:=
and the mow whe had )Magid la the t
in quietism mull got it be ow way. The rewarded sliest
of the misty Intim gipthat thanksgivyg was "he ow
iteration and maiernenesetpretection.' iCheters.) "And
M give Whet W those dhow it Is proposed to etweetie
trate In the esetrris the vast but now NM-
tend power of in videels resident in all parts
of the United Kmg who aro favourable Is
the pristiples of '' (Cheers.) Then they (thegovermsnt) bend by the lig of the their Needs.
the, by the owe's' of their waft on the la of Nee*
to seek protection—in other weeds, to orbs the unmet te
nrimpoes a tax upon the foal of the= (Chieltssietil
cries of " Oh, oh.") He begged a to the of
members of this aseociation—am its 001111MININFeibe 1.10111
members also of the present goverment. lie
Advocate, the Secretary at We,, the
of the Dochy of Lancaster, the POO
ter, the Under-Semetszy for the
Chancellor of the Zwilte(roam of
President of the Board et the led the
Secretary he Feeebia AMY% dr rial VMS, MT
Works, end ems eel
both of her IlsgeaV sad erble
and laughter.) Why, such en eon iWa yea is
itself, and therefore it was elm that bra.unthinen eggs-
site could never consent to any elbeizlia, eleemersial
views. (Cheers and counter .) The Mehra-
tins of the bon. gentleman (lik. MEW wee
it The government had made se formal
eel be (Bir B. Hall) believed thee the true intenii7erra
bops of the party at present la 1111Wer were fully maw
Need, and that when they (the Gee traders) wealth the
asatry, they would go to fight spies' • government, the
members of which were pledged by every principle of ho-
werser, by political character, and by private character, to use
Oak utmost exertions to obtain a tax upon the food of the
mole. (Loud cheers from the opposition.) He was giving
limn credit fur honourable intentions. He believed they
were bound to attemptto do this ; and he was 111116 that they
would if they could. (Loud cheers.)

11r. ADDERLEY could set see that the resolutione read
by the hos. bereset aneassted to Easel The mien reed
WOO the ammo ef genthmset who had bees Is the aseste-
ties he • great sutler if peen. (Lynam ash ahem)
What be ram to sal athstios Io ma the WE awe mama
smell seet that ha Wks diesseered is the rowel ash-
meat The cowrie tithe Esehasser Mated the 111111111101
of Sir Robert Peers liseenia peaky. (Opposition darn.)
It had bees semissfel, but k bed hit the agriseiterists
hard, and therehre k wee that they dame& eannesestion.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said the his. gestimes had re-
(erred to the berlime is the nriosiksrel intend, but al-
though reformats hod this bees hook to those Weiser no
one had ever verdured te eh% what they were. The re-
sumption of taxation as emit= mid exam was a perfect
imrorglailOßP said the opeesk of the has. member for
Marylehose was got up early with a Till, to interrupt
Wieser. The epistles of geetbmes epsomite wee a matter
of perfect indifieresee to him. He ha as sehmhy to judge
of their esedust, ream hob gran Ws tirt.
(Laughter) He amidesr
that whoa ashes. member mad
the ?moieties of the-Prelseties Amok*s he aught oleo
to read the reseisties ef the Asti-Coes Law Lieges. The
former was a straight hrward body ; the letter a low, dirty,
sneaking, under-leaded mt. (Lauchter)
REFRESHMENT OP VOTERS BILL. _ _

Ciiiialieaiitheifiesile; bat a
bill on the table, whke be (Mr. Ceiba) • Mai
abominable bill. It was far O. now d the
treating of electors, which he onsidiesit ea nosh to
ll* asked the hog. gentlemen tritium he &bladed Merida
the house upon it to-night, mid if ea, up to what time they
Haight underetaad • division night be called ?
Bir E. BU ETON said it was lie tannin to take • Mei.
aim on this till if M mold get ea mpeehniNMet neeng,
orenterini that It was only the an reaMe&-esd that there
MI bum already a discerns is the Int reaMeg. he did
oft Sit it aeareary that there be a dissmiso on
the lest roans& bat if he was tartonese non* to eam
the bet 'ht, he abotdd take owe to give a fan
oppernelty of the aessore.
Mr. MOIBUCK gave nodes that if the bill paean •
seesed nolo& be shod din a chase this the expense
"Viunite tie MUM paid nit et the arrat4 rata.
enna net the Wm et Ns Meg rileses till Mon-
day, wee thee put awl wen to.

THE MILITIA BILL.
The been this west into committee on this bill.
Oa deem 7, whisk detersiass the number of men, it
was mewed to MI up the bleak m to the amber to be
raleed I.ln tbe Int year with " 60,000," which Sir T. B.
Celebrealte met with a manta mop:titian of 20,000, con-
aidlerieg that tramber sufficient for the Scot year.
Mr. llemileep WALPOLE wished the commuted to
have the pewee to raise the 60,000, Out it did sot follow
that they weebi be all carolled.
A di vilea wee taken, after a short dieemelas.
Ape
at 135
Ne 61-74
_ .

The words " lity tbotwand" wise then inserted in the
dense._ _ _

Os thetitrigthat the nest limb be Med up with the
words .. themead,"
Mr. M. G seked.Mr ease enplewelles why the ge-
vensement bed hem the web Mae WOO puma la
regad le war establliwesede mweift. ummily.
thalt the number elms Medd be wiletemerilly mils Me
weintain Me sutra of pellement owe the emismwts et
the coaster /
Mr. WM.PO LE odd the hems bad motel NM
and es they had Ailed up ess bleak whIA ftolllLlt impend
that they must MI up the ether Milt 11. M It was =-
mediae, desist& that a umber at mind mm Mould
always be sestatained in the reserved brew din eswaisy.
Mr. M. 01BSON wished to know whether they weal ems
and for ever to depart flout the eceetltstimel nimeia& p
He certainly must admit that the webs. the
committee was an awkward retimn 0, 1.00
Mr. WAK LEY thought the bill wee a meet absurd ewe;
but they had been beaten. (Hem, bear.) The Wit kid
WS/ a fallen wan—they were ell bibs um mil "a Makes
host." (A laugh.) He (Mr. Walley) bad MINA el the
noble lord se long as he war equeseable, and sew be dieu&t
he had a right to sak, and it meld only be right ihr die
noble lard to state, what were the preallew eissemehmese of
this time which rendered the some be bed takes la in
a militia bill necessary f (HM, beer.)
e
rIJ
beilsa dr. HKAKLL thought the M isem* the bon.
imams a little unrwele. Me dull, V there wee
say immediate danger of in a lams at sermat would
immediately be necessary; hut gimillie tite wen
that l ad taken place between this oweemy mil ~sew and
powerful neighbour, it was proper at Om Is make
fsir and moderate preparations for err •• IS to
enable the government in any dieenwiews that might arise
to maintain the honour sad diplig if the seamy. In
1848, he thought that come were preparation wee sem-
eery, but the house mad emery did net agree with him to
that view. In the poems you he held the opinion which
he bed ontartithsed ha ISM ; and he thought that it was
desirable le Mewled a ensnare on the subject ; ler it
wee USN the duty of any government to call
the ef the l el Commons to the matter, M-
emos the people of this munlry, if there should be say danger
or *twat.. essmil siratiy hold them roe tale
if = not a esibiint Ibirce provided for their de-
fame. (Hew, hear.) He meat soy, then, that he did not
pat Ms at all ups any immediate fear. lie did not
wish pax ies
the weft* of the President of France
with mot Ms Frees& pimple; but with regard to his
irate ddide lime& this eaviiiry he (the noble lord) had no
I mem tee:/iehe entertrawei any hostile feeling. (Hear,
beer.) Me noble lord) ease therefore to the generate
they knew ezisted. We had often been at
deelr kneel times. We had been, in fact, four time,
Milted in hostilities within the present century; and there

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of the egeserp being placed open a pimp feee.
beg Isideligr he elephies that the forces now -641111". is
the was set selletent. He held in his Mod
tobies, whisk It append that on the let of Jrnsur,
1162, the spathe knees, including cavalry, gumbo aid
infantry, in Great Britain, war only 26,644 ; mai the
total meatier ia Inland, 7.067. He cart** did
not Wok that was a forte sufficient hb our
kentilities should break out. (Hear, boor.)
The tioa. geatleseas agreed that if France were ge wake
demos& apes ns, to which it would be imp - gift
us to aeeade, it would be proper to make topeeetkeet
bet be (Lard J. Russell) thought it would
deegawee t" he only commeuring such prepared.=
MI of that kind occurred. (Hear, hear.) TM
lees wh7eh he had proposed wss a local militia, to be
mated partly by ballot and partly by volunteering. TM
=he suggested, should bo confined to men so yew
ft was nut probable they would be married; and they
VIM not to bo obliged to leave their respective counties
isteept in case of invasion or imminent danger of it.
With the limitations he proposed, he believed that the
ballot was quite practicable, but the noble lord the NMI&
her for Tiverton proposed to alter the title Si the
MB before it was brought in. The proper time kr
'that alteration would have been at the end of the bid
, when the question would have been put by the Speaks&
Bat the noble lord took a different course ; owl
be (Lord J. Russell) declared that he could net
emend to be a party to a regular militia, but that if sea
a bill wore introduced by any hon. member he should NW
eider biteelf at liberty to oppose it. He considered that
the pregosition of the noble lord had materially
the ohmmeter of the bill; and the noble lord martetie
have eo amoidcred it, or he would not have taken the mumi
mum be did. 1u short he (Lord John Russell) felt riser
ba wee gaped in just the mine position as he should best
bees if had proposed • bill to extend the suffrage, and IS
ems proposed that the bill should be ono for universal sod'
gjer. (Hear, hear.) The bill of the present government
ollorly carried into effect the object of the femme
but it contained provisions which had bees
'smoldered by the late government, and bed bees
by them deliberately rejected. Ou one point he
wished for further explanation, and, if possible, sone
amendment in the bill. Supposing it were not necessary
te recur to the ballot, but that a sufficient number
of men were obtained by the bounty, it seemed
to him most essential that they should obtain the
regular, settled inhabitants of the parishes or districts to
which they belonged—not unsettled, repast peruse, who
merely came for the sake of ohtefnisg the Si. He hod boom
told that the Secretary at War would make regeladoss is
secure this—a very unsatisfactory course. (Hear, hear.) Is
former militias parliament had taken especial care, by ex-
press clauses and provisions, to see that its object wee est.
ried into effect. If they were to hare 80,000 men with anal
is their hands, to be trained fur a certain time, them
110,006 mon should be trustworthy men. (Hear, hear.)
He bop& that before the bill passed, the Home
Secretary, instead of leaving the matter entirely to the die.
eretion of the Secretary at Wsr, would put in same demo
or proviso by which those regulatioos, which had no desist
Item osseidered, would be laid before the house. (Hoar,
hem.) If 60,000 men were to be raised this year at an e5=350,0001.,
=350,0001., it was not too much that the House of
as should know what were the maturities for their
beleg persons of good character, so that there might be at
beet s presumption in favour of their being persons who
Melo trusted with arms in their hands. (Hear, hear.)
ATTORNEY-GENERAL said: A local militia could
map be 'Mee out in case of an actual invasion, or an enemy
=Vupon the coast, or of a rebellion or an inseam.
A.* mould only be kept on foot six months atom
trt seimphed left the coast or been repelled ; and in a toed
EOM se substitutes were allowed. The noble lord bad
brought forward his bill to establish a local militia.
Lord J. RUSSELL—No. To amead the Local ilLitie
AM.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, as it was a bill to
amend the Local Militia Act, the militia established thereby
would have been a local militia. But the noble lord pro-
posed that they should be called out on an invasion being
apprehended, and should be kept on foot longer than six
months. The noble lord's bill also allowed substitutes. It
was not, therefore, shill for slue militia. The noble lord
(Palmerston) seeing this, said, "Don't give • false title to
your bill ; it is nut a local militia you propose to establish;"
sad, for that reason, be moved that the title should be
changed ; thereupon, the noble lord said, " No, if you put
a anger upon it, we will throw it up ;" and accordingly he
had, somewhat hastily, left office. (Hear, hear.) Now he
was indirectly throwing all the obstructions in his power in
the way of the government measure.
Lord-J. RUSSELL said he bad thought the distinction
between a local and • general militia suMcient to induce
him not to proceed with his intention of bringing in a bill.
He was still of opinion that the clauses were not suffi-
cient, but he should offer no obstacle to their passing.
After • few words from Mr. WAILS! and the Anna-
-2411Y-GENERAL, in explanation,
The committee proceeded with the business before them.
Mr. Alderman SIDNEY expressed his conviction of the
nermity of the bill, and begged to aware the noble lord
r 11) that he had seriously damaged his character with
eissletituents by the course he had taken on this bill.
He pissed implicit confidence in the discretion of the go-
verment.

After a few words from Mr. CARTZIL,
Admiral STEWART observed that at the beginning of
this century, when an invasion was anticipated, our naval
supremacy bad been fully established; notwithstanding,
volunteer. enrolled themselves all over the country, and
even the judges of the land buckled on their armour.
He objected to the present bill because it was expensive, in-
efficient, and would not properly train any part of the na-
tion to eras. (Hear, hear.) He thought the money could
be much better expended, and that it would be more to the
purpose to carry oat the suggestion made by Sir Howard
Douglu in a recent work, combined with the plan proposed
by the hon. and gallant member for Windsor (Col. Reid).
A fortified encampment to protect the metropolis, and to
protect the river would be more secure, and less
expensive Sea the enrolment of a militia. A
late witty eseenber of society said that the noble
lord the somber for London would not hesi-
tate to lobe the commend of the Channel fleet. (Laughter.)
Bat the boa. member for the West Riding was, it seemed,
to do more. (Hear, hear.) He out-Heroded the
lied, for he would, he believed, not only take the
emisand of the fleet, but he would take upon himself the
distribution of the whole fleet, and leave the Admiralty
seeing whatever to do. (" Hear, hear," and laughter)
He would recommend to the hon. gentleman to be content
with the triumph he obtained in the abolition of the corn
laws, en which luestion the seal and ability he dis-
played placed him far beyond any of his confreres.
He neither approved of the present measure nor of that of
the noble lord, and he could only say of them—a plague on
both your bills. (Hear, bear.)
Attar • brief discussion, in which Mr. Gibson, Sir F.
Baring, Lord Palmerston, Sir G. Pechell, end Lord D.
Stuart, took part,
Mr. HUME would suggest to his right hon. friend that
he should take the sense of the house on the whole clause.
Kr. Hinson having assented, the blank was filled up
with "thirty thousand."
Several verbal amendments having been agreed to,
Mr. BRIGHT moved • proviso, to except militia men
from cororal punishment. He instanced the case—" the
murder," ea he described it --of White, of the 7th Hawn,
some pare ago, woo died from the effects of the dogging
he steiskod ' • and asked whether the House of Commons
would reettler the honest artisan, who was required to go
out he a few days in the year, liable to such degrading
enmities ?
Cokes! THOMPSON eseenied the motion.

TIN SECRETARY-AT-WA E ereeerred with the hon.
member for Meneherter in wishes that he might live to
see ths day who. corporal peheiheat in the army simeld
be sehrely abolished. He had haled on a former maim
that wham ia army UMW, was se wear his dodos awn
disassemble than earaailes the lediesotral punish-
meat. DM be bad always esmidered thet Whim *ionise
and the militia a sufficient law was
to coerce and control. With regardaietate• of
in the army he had referred to the ahem he
the past year, and he found that the Irbil
British army at home and abroad, only 197
had been inflicted. The army consisted of Irrhegitalls Ole
and battalions. The amount of punishment, thereffine,
ha apes individuals out of 4,000, er only 4 am to
(Beer, bear.) Those who bad Mss
keg eeehelegli=h he army would see at once what •
taken glad s the it
retina of corporal
t. He had himself seen three or four alts
in day. He maintained that the militia could not
er ought not to be levied without the application to it of the
Mutiny Act. It would be an insult to the British army
to my that those who were termed the scum of
=sluteld be relieved from its operation, and they the
rosy, still exposed to it. (hear, bear.) a was
peedeelerees to suppose that • forte, levied for • military
thlas, could be properly controlled by those laws only
ietere put in force by the magistracy.
Mr. BRIGHT had been misunderstood. Redid not wish
any other parts of the Mutiny Act, except that applying
Corporal punishment to be abolished.
The SECRETARY-AT-WAR was quite reedy to meet
the hon. gentleman on that point. If the charges for im-
morality, disobedience, or neglect of duty, referred to by
the bon. member for Manchester, were exempted from the
operationwtevof ofof theamMort:liogny Act, them wordld7ffmooaionono power
against
property maid only be punished by the magistracy.
The irucibility of an officer might bring a man to • court
martial, but it would be for the officers composing the
court-martial to say what should be his punishment. The
hon. member had alluded to the case of an individual in
the 7th Human, who was, he said, murdered. He was
merry that the hon. member should have used such an
expression. What were the facts of the CM. ? Frederick
White was guilty of the most violent and insubordinate
conduct; his sentence was pronounced, not by a court-
martial consisting of only five officers, but by a district
oeurt-martial translating of 13 officers selected from diffe-
rent regiments. On the 16th of June he received 160
lashes. He went on very well until the 4th or sth of Jul?
He was then taken ill. Before.his death the Horse Guards
sent down two additional medical men belonging to the
army to assist the regimental surgeon, and those two gen-
tlemen declared, on their medical reputation and on their
honour as officers and as gentlemen, that he did not he
from the torpor-II punish:neat, but that he had •
disease which was the cause of death. Looking
at those facts, it war not fair to say that he
was munlered. The lose corporal punishments were
inflicted the greater would always be the satisfaction
of officers; and he felt sure that if the words of which the

his. member eampleined were inserted, they would be in:
!Wad la the milltla at suldana as, U not soon seldom than,
is the army itself. He set think, however, that the
boa. member had melemsfair ease for putting the mi-
llet under Calmat from the army.
Mr. M'COLLAMM ask, what could he the use
of ha rat punishments vibes the militia was not
In but merely is be sailed out for training!?
(Thar, bear.)
31r. LENNARD said the house could not hope to secure
a desirable class of men by voluntary enlistment if power
were given to inflict this degrading punishment. No doubt
It was iaeonsiseent to relieve the militia from liability to
such a punishment while It was continued in the regular
army, but the best way would be to abolish it altogether.
He thought the time was now come for the abolition.
Captain BOLDER° said no man formerly took • mom
aetive part again co st rporal punishment than himself.
(liear, hear.) His feelings were thoroughly enlisted, and
though brought up in the army, he boldly stood
up against the system. (Hear.) It was improbable that re-
gulars and militia might be in garrison together, and would
hon. members think it fair that one branch of the public
force should be liable to • punishment from which the other
was exempt ? The yeomanry also, which were strictly a
volunteer corps, were subject to the provisions of the
Mutiny Act.
Mr. ROEBUCK was astonished that an hon. and gallant
=smiler who fur the last half dozen years advocated the
abolition of flogging in the army should now seek to
establish that punishment in the militia. (Hear, bear.)
Captain BOLDBRO—I sought its abolition or mitigation.
Mr. ROEBUCK—Mitigation what did that mean ? Ile
saw the Secretary at War himself laughing at the hon. and
gallant member's distinction. It meant that the lash should
be retained, but less of it inflicted. They might depend
upon it that with such a provision they would not get •
force that would have the respect of the country. He would
not have the punishment in the army or the militia. (Hear,
hear.) They wished for voluntary enlistment, and to avoid
the ballot, if possible, but if they wanted or expected honour-
able men they must 6 trike out this degrading provision, (lieu.)
Lord JOCELYN thought that corporeal punishments
should only be used for degrading offences. (Hear, hear.)
Ile believed it was never applied in any other case, and he
knew that officers never had • more painful duty than its
indiction. But the proper time for discussing the question I
was when the Mutiny Bill was brought forward.
Mr. Williams, Mr. Clay, and Col. Salwey supported the
proviso.
Col. KNOX believed if the Mutiny Act were not to apply,
it would be better to have no militia force at all.

Mr. WAK LEY suggested that if flogging was good for
the bad soldier, it should be equally good for the bad
odleer.

Mr. EWART earnestly pressed on the government the
prudence, the justice, and the propriety of taking the ad-
vice which had been just offered to them. Arguing from
what bad resulted from the diminution of this punishment
of flogging, and from what had been the effect of the dimi-
nution of other severe punishments for crimes in civil so-
ciety, a direct case was made out for the abolition of the
system altogether. The hon. member then proceeded to
quote from the celebrated evidence given by the soldier
White at the Hounslow inquest, in illustration of the readi-
ness of colonels to order floggings.
Lord .10CF.LYN suggested to the hon. member that this
evidence could not be of much value, since it proceeded
from the man implicated in the transactions referred to.
(Loud cheers.)
Mr. EWART—Yes. But the evidence was given on
oath ; and if the truth is not denied—
Col. PEEL—I deny the truth of it. (Loud cheers.) The
offene7s mentioned by the man were not the offences for
which he was punished. (Loud cheers.) Therefore it is
not the truth; and the hon. gentleman knows it as well as
I do. (Loud cheers.)
Sir 11. VERNEIt was understood to cxpreu en opinion
that it would be necessary to retain the right of flogging, as
an exceptional punishment, and to reserve severe examples.
Mr. EWART (greatly excited) said—l must ask the gal-
lant officer opposite for some explanation. I have under-
stood him, and my hon. friends near me have understood
him to say, that what I stated was untrue, and that I
knew it to be untrue. (Loud cries of " No, no," " Yes
yes," and confusion.) Well ; if the gallant
colonel did not say so, he will no doubt explain ; but if
he did say so, and does not retract, I shall be obliged—l
shall feel myself obliged—to tell him the truth on the sub-
ject. (Roars of laughter, amid which Mr. Ewart resumed
his seat.)
The CHAIRMAN thought that the committee would
feel disposed to me this personal discussion closed. (Loud
cheer...)
Colonel I'EEL—What I said was, that the offences re-
ferred to by White, were not the offences for which he was
punished ; and as the hon. member must know all about
the debates which took place at the time on the subject, I
say he must know that what I state is the fact. The hon.
member cannot pretend to tell me that he never read the
debates ; and if he did, he must know that the man was
not flogged for the offences which he spoke of in the
paper read by the hon. member. (Cheers, and cries of
"Oh, oh.")
Mr. GIBSON—The hon. and gallant member is under
some misapprehension. There seems a confusion of two

cases. Herieems to think it was another case than that
mentioned by my hon. friend. (No, no.)_ Well, then, I
don't understand it. (Great laughter.) This is how the
matter stands, then. My hon. friend states that a soldier
alleged at an inquest that for such and such things he was
punished with 100 lashes. Now, if you can show that is
not true, you ere of course at liberty to show it. (Laughter,
and cries of " That's not the question.")
Mr. BRIGHT attempted to address the house, but he
was met by cries, and groans, and strange noises from the
ministerial side, below the gangway, and not a syllable be
uttered could be heard. Great laughter was excited by Mr.
Hume rising and patting Mr. Bright on the shoulder, and
in expreuive dumb show beseeching silence for his hon. friend.
The entreaty was partially successful, and in the diminished
but still great uproar, Mr. Bright was understood to say
that, u far as he had gathered what had passed, the gal-
lant colonel had not implied that the hon. member for
Dumfries had stated what wee not true, but simply that he
had stated whet, on a more complete knowledge of the
facts, he would find to be incorrect. (Cries of " Hear,
hear," and other cries of " No, no—you're quite wrong.")
Colonel SIBTHORP also spoke amid great confusion and
disturbance. Ho maintained that large discretionary powers
might be safely entrusted to courtemartial. He could
assure the boo. member for Manchester that if he (Mr.
Bright) were a militia-man, and had misconducted himself,
and he (Colonel Sibthorp) were on the court-martial, ho
would have no compunctiln whatever in ordering the hon.
member to be well flogged. (Great laughter.)
Colonel THOMPSON said ever since he had had the
honour of • sent in the house he had taken every opportu-
nity of stating his opinion that the practice of flogging in
the army was detrimental to discipline. Did it not occur to
them that three-fourths of the objections to passing this
militia bill arose from the apprehension that men in the
militia would be subject to corporal punishment ? Men
would oppom to the last a law in which they saw the
most remote possibility that they might be called on by
conscription to serve in the militia, and be subject to corpo-
ral punishment.
After a few observations front Mr. Hewn, which were
not heard in the gallery,
Mr. WALPOLE said the hon. member for idolatress said
that he had observed an ominous silence on this subject.
He certainly thought it was • question that lay more within
the department of the Secretary at War. He had
listened with great attention to the debate, and he would
give his opinion. He thought it was perfectly clear that
they had been arguing a general question, and that gene-
ral question they could not determine at the present mo-
ment. Whether it was advisable to do away with corpo- I
ral punishment was • question on which ho had partial
ignorance till it was fully discussed. But they bad passed
the Mutiny Act, by which corporals in the army wore
liable to corporal punishment, and having passed that act,
it would be unjust if the militia were placed on a better
footing than the regular army. His gallant friend bad put
it in so strong a light, that he did not think the committee
could consent to the proviso proposed by the hon. member
for Manchester. Suppose some of the mnitiawere placed in
garrison with the soldiers in the army, the soldiers in the
I aemy would feel that they were in a position to have a
rat inflicted on them which the militia were not
subject to. If this determined this question with reference
M the militia they must determine it in reference to all
, their forces whatever they might be, and supposing that
I hereafter they entered into the general question and decided
that corporal punishments ought not to be inflicted, then
, be should say it ought not to be extended to the militia,
but so long as they kept it in the army he should say they
were bound to apply it to the militia.
Mr. HUMS said there were two classes of persons who
would come under this law—one that would volunteer and

others that would come under the ballot. He thought
that those who were compelled to serve ought not to be
subject to the lash.
Mr. BRIGHT said the right hon. gentleman would
bear in mind that the Mutiny Act had a clause in it which
expressly stated that its provisieus should not apply to the
militia, unless the act tannic the militia should specially
place the militia under the act. The 42nd Geo. 111. also
provided that the militia should be under the Mutiny Act,
except as to life and limb. All that he proposed was, that
there should be added to that, except the mutilation of the
►ack by the lash.
The committee then divided—
For the proviso 92
Against it
Majority
The proviso was therefore lost.
Mr. ROEBUCK then moved that the Chairman report

progress.
Mr. WALPOLE appealed to the hon. gentlemen oppo-
site to allow the clause to be passed but
The motion was eventually agreed to ; the committee ob-
taining leave to sit again on Monday.
The home then resumed.
STAMP DUTIES (I RELAND) CONTINUANCE

This bill passed though
PROPERTY TAX BILL.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair,
Mr. HUME moved that the house do now aJjourn.
Tho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
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he would not have taken any step with respect to this bill
if he had not fully understood that it was to be unopposed
—that the bill was to compromise no one, and that it was
only to he a provisional measure, for the present year only.
Mr. II UME withdrew his motion.
The CHANCELLOR of th•EXCHEQUER then brought
up a clause, providing that the assessment of last year under
Schedules A and II should remain in force.
The bill then passed through committee.
APPREHENSION OF DESERTERS FROM

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