The Express.
London, England, 1852-05-12 00:00:00

D, MAY 12, t

The other issued I will give in his
t It is extremely material to the view
I am about to take. air R. Peen
-... To break up," sr he ex=
-. 'listing is Imbed
British ci- - - Tbs
tht

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it, .. • ibrublabi•
`a Britidt Soren

the _ _ -ant ant the a. connexion:
welds of Sir Mort Peal wire : " I moon
because I believe it to be a wise
7:Piekt►
f=t, sod far beast than the coatisusemo
of the *most eystrin. I sell apse yin to recollect that you
are resptadMe for the pesos sr Ireland. (Oppositios
chem.) I rep that yea most bah up la some way or
other the hessidable caaallaramy white into. in that coun-
try essiaet the British sermommi Wed the British eon-
nazi's. lls wet ha** um break it up by force.
I You am do mush ssomieleat y with the maintenance of the
protests* elmork. Yes sem* mesh to bra* it up by
as*. be s split' of bld ihrbearanee mad generosity."
These are the words of fie Reber' Peel, and I have no
wish to mimspsstsat them. New the maims why I have
gone this brief Wary of the Msy-
nooth gnat is that I whh to direct the atten-
tion of the he.. to what I steeled with, namely,
the yaeposos we which the gnat was made. You must
oaoeider whether deem purrsos have been so answered u
to jeerify pea is esediaviag Stoic t azactly gait is, whe
thee the rash Judders pm * "aye" or "no" with
refereeing to the kw*, that is ask for. Now, remember
that the *roe pipers he which this grant was made were
these—firm, to mate a well educated, loyal, sad domestic
priesthood ; ssomelly, to provide a fund for the **adios
of that priesthood, the Roman eatholics being supposed to
be too pour to provide it for themselves, in order that the
priests might be brought up in a manner suitable to their
holy office and to their future position ; and, thirdly, to
break up by generosity that " formidable conspiracy," as
Sir Robert Peel teemed
HON. MEMJI es the opposition benches—The
term was " confute/way." (Ohms from the Irish members.)
Mr. WALPOLE—I beg pardon—to break up that for- I
'skiable confederacy which Sir Robert Peel said existed in
Ireland against the British government and the British
connexion. Well, now, these were the objects for which
that grant was made and perpetuated. Well, then, I ask
whether, in any one of the three respects to which I have
adverted, the grant has answered the purpose for which it
was made. That is a question which I think we are bound
to ask ourselves before we determine whether any com-
mittee of inquiry is necessary or not. Well, then, I ask
myself this question tirst—haa er has not the grant provided
a well-educated, loyal, and domestic priesthood for Ireland ?
It may have done so up to a certain point. But
observe what rumour says—tor I am not now going
to give en opinion on the question. (Irimind
cheers from the opposition.) There is, I think,
strong reason to believe that many of the priesthood edu •
cated in that college are members of the different olden
which are sent out to different countries, and do not remain
to be a domestic priesthood in Ireland—(hear, hear)—and
if I am right in that conclusion, I say it is material for you
to consider whether, when a grant made for the purpose of
educating a domestic priesthood has been applied in pro-
riding a priesthood for other countries, you will allow Eng-
lish money to be spent for such a purpose. (Hear, hear.)
But, in addition to that, let me ask has or has not the
',tweeter of the priesthood changed of late year*? I *se-
t the • lust be,' jutted of a domestic

• the lairrie IM s of edusedis at
1411810, k t 1 Ibu purpose of liquify *4 be
speod it, but *0 ao et " dednyisi due Ram
ik°llo sPtiet utjuilifeab Ireland. Dolmas id Mae
d alms bossing cooodiast cry of the hoe. geademau.
Hear, powr flieut Mr. Bpuosut.)
_Titobou. muniber
..,sly

shrew-
e!Resi,,beet" • -
Owed *Ft emerties, aid fat he loved his Roman catholic
Maw goer, hear," sad laughter.) Why he
had bug regsdhe that night what he rehearsed in 1846.
Wird fee melba theism gentleman dome that; eves is the
be ew& be letredesed me saw asehmity.
(t he bed
Osborne) meld he auspriesd at say seem
taken by her Majesty's ministers, the speech of die
right boa. gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home
Department would certainly increase the degree of that
surprise. Under all that smiling and conciliate/ay demeanour
the right hoe. gentleman concealed the greatest bigotry.
His hon. and learned friend the member for Yougbal had
told the house the opinion of Lord Stanley in 1846, wheal
that noble lord stated the amendment moved in another
place by the Earl of Roden was not a substantial amend-
ment, but was meant only to destroy the system. Was
Lord Stanley the only one of the present ministers who
then took that view ? He held in his hand the speech of a
gentleman, a member of the present ministry, who was not
then a baronet, but who was supposed to owe to that speech
the right of bearing the arms of Ulster on his coat. (A
laugh.) It was the speech of Mr. now Sir John Peking.
ton (laughter) the right honourable the Secretary
for the colonies. Mr. Pakiogton says Ile did not'
think it inconsistent with his duty as a churchman to give
the endowment of Maynooth his support—not a cold or
heaitating support—not a reluctant support extracted by
party ties, bat a cordial and willing support, founded on
deep conviction, first, that they must not venture to leave
Maynooth on its present footing ; secondly, that this mea-
-1 sure was called for as a step in that wise and conci-
liatory policy towards Ireland which every govern.
ment should attempt to carry out." (Hear, hear.) He
regretted that he had not even the right hon. gentleman
the Secretary of State for the Colonies in his place ; per-
haps the opinions of the right hon. gentleman on theological
matters might be found to have undergone as great a change
as they had recently discovered in his opinions on saccha-
rine matters. (Loud laughter.) As Secretary fur the
Colonies, the right hon. gentleman was now able to carry
out the wise and conciliatory policy which he had recom-
mended in 1845. What was the house to understand trout
the speech made by the right hon. gentleman's colleague,
the Secrete u of State for the Home department, when
he declared that the character of the Irish priest-
hood had changed, and accused them of showing a
want of allegiance to the sovereign? (Hear, hear.)
Again, the noble lord the First Commissioner of Woods and
Forests had said :
" With every feeling of confidence as a churchman, I am
not acting disloyally towards the church in sanctioning this
measure, and, ass statesman, that I am promoting the best
interests of my country, I give my vote for the permanent
endowment of the college of Maynooth."
Those were the opinions of two members of the present
cabinet, both of whom bed been steady and consistent
supporters of the permanent endowment of Maynooth.
(Cheers.) But there was another member of the cabinet,
who bad consistently opposed that motion. It was the right
hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who car-
ried the brains of the cabinet. • laughter.) In jus-
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pea answer that, privet-
Wad, foreign influence preeails more {o Ireland than it did.
I think that the priests of Ireland, instemiefasening them-
'elm, as they ought to do, to the wpm et maintaining
*ad sappertiai *lir eau Wipes awl ask men relieoas
line. ion, la Wks ammeter which
is esestitate what Ite tailed a confederacy
—I won't say a foesaliskile amilefloracy, though I may
M ak that it is suety.-mgalot *a British crown and Bri-
dal interests. (Ironical moan shies.' I allude more
jorticul= what has IMINIISMI skies Dr. Cullen came
OM to and was salsa b phony over Milan
safteliss. TM character of the pdstn of Ireland has,
I *ink Ms materidly ehaagedi.ly.that event. When
desired

tiee to the question, he (Mr. Osborne) would read to the
house what that right hon. gentleman then said, and per-
haps after the voluminous polemics in which the reve-
rend gentleman—(loud laughter)—ho begged pardon,
he meant honourable gentleman, the member for
North Warwickshire bad indulged, perhaps tho house
would receive one or two extracts with pleasure. (Hear,
hear. It was the speech of the right hon. the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, delivered in INS, opposing, not
Martooth, but quarrelling with Sir Hobert -Peel, upon
which he (Mr. Osborne) hued his opposition to this mo-
tion. (Hear, host.) On April 11, 1845, the right hon.
gentleman, for the first time falling out with the late
Sir Robert Peel, then said that he opposed the

aad cheers-) I make him a present of the difference al
the dates.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said : The
hoa. gentleman quoted from a speech of mine on the sub-
ject of lifeyaooth—(cheers)—in which tht re is not a single
of the kind read by the bon, gentleman, at least in
April . ---
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the speech of the 11th of a. 1815. (Hear, hear.) 11Is
hon. gentleman now says the speech was made in 1144.
What has that to do with the hon. gentleman's argument ?
(Cheering.) That declaration was not made on the subject
Maynooth. (Continued ministerial cheers.)
Mr. A. B. HOPE likewise opposed what he termed a
hybrid motion, which, pretending to ask inquiry, breathed
nothing but persecution.
Mr. NEWHEGATE supported the motion—a moderate
and reasonable proposition, which could not, he Raid, be
refused without treating the people of this country with
eoa
MrtONSELL complained that Mr. Walpole, in the
high position of a minister of the crown, had not uttered a
word of reprobation of the statements so wantonly made
by Mr. Spooner, the real object of whose motion, be con-
tended, was, not to inquire or to diminish the grant, but to
take it away, and diminish the number of the Roman
catholic clergy in Ireland, end to that object Mr. Walpole
had given his adhesion. He (Mr. Monsen), speaking for
himself, should not oppose inquiry, because he believed that
a fair inquiry would amply vindicate the character of the
college.
Mr. MOORE accused Mr. Spooner of nervertinst and
falsifying some of the extracts he had read, and of bring.
ing forward a motion totally different from that which he
had formerly proposed, betraying in that house an agitation
to which he pandered out of it.
Mr. GLADSTONE said that he proposed to vote for tho
motion of the hon. member for Warwickshire, but the sub-
ject was so important, and ho differed so widely from the
speech with which the hon. gentleman had introduced it,
that he could not fairly and honestly give a silent vote. It
appeared to him that unless it could be shown by definite
proof that the objects of that endowment bad failed, then
prudence and justice demanded that it should be main.
Mined. Ile thought that such a failure of its objects, could
not be shown. It would be to him a source of grief and
apprehension if such a failure could be shown; and he eon.
fussed himself surprised at the mode in which the subject
was approached by hon. gent.emen. They seemed to
think it a small subject to consider the withdrawal
of the endowment from the College of Maynooth.
They forgot that its importance was not measured by the
figures that designated its amount ; they forgot that the
endowment of the College of Maynooth was of itself a great
and material circumstance in the whole relations between
England and Ireland; they forgot that in 1845, when the
whole power of a strong government was hitched upon
making an enlargement of this endowment, that that art
derived its chief importance from the feelings and wnti.
merits of which it was the symbol. They had not, he
thought, seriously asked themselves, in many cases, what
would be the next step if this endowment was to be taken
away. (Hear.) For his part, he did not say that, if this
endowment could be shown to be mischievous ; that their
expectations in regard to it had failed ; he did not say that
in that ease the endowment was to be maintained; but this
he did venture to say, that if this endowment were with-
drawn' the parliament which withdrew it must he prepared
toenter up+, the whole subject of the reconstruction of
•

the Ronan catholic, ....red innineipittion (I could produce
meth of this), they laid it down as a proposition that they
wed the government to rely upon, that the domestic
Ce4seel this kingdom ought not to be superseded by
a blehops being brought over. I could quote postage,
te that eldest of the strongest authority, even from the Pro-
itself. Well, but since Dr. Cullen 's ap-
t there has been a now influence enr-
olled; and recent events, even those of the
lest divtinctly 'how that the education of the priest-
hoodl or Ireland has not been devoted to those domestic
purposes which the promoters of this grant contem-
plated. Now, if that be so, Ido not say that it is a jus-
tification for your taking away the grant, but I do say
that it is a justification for your making inquiry, in order
that if the facts be not as I have conjectured them to he,
they may be interpreted in your teepee (addressing, as was
understood, the Irish Roman catholic members), but in
order, also, that if the facts be as I have conjectured them
to be, means should be taken of providing against the ap-
Omits of the public money of this country to any pur-
ether than those which would provide a loyal and
demastk priesthood. Now, air, with regard to the second
t, namely, the poverty under which the college was
, end the reason, therefore, for giving en emended
=I should be glad to know how far that has been
out. Remember that the Maynooth act, when
it was brought in, was accompanied by a bill which
was introduced by my right boo. friend the member for
Ripon, whom I see opposite—a bill for establishing the
Queen's colleges in IrelemiL Those two bills must be
taken together. They WIN introduced simultaneously.
They were designed for one object—they were proposed
with one view. That eldest—that view—was a national
and domestic one. TM latest was to heal religious dif-
ferences—to bring Boma mambo and preeneants toge-
ther in one commas. field of adulation (as was understood),
where asperities might he rubbed of, where emulation
might be encoursged, where friendship and geed foiling
aught spring up, and where all those dißevesseas whist
lad unhappily se long divided the peepie at Ironed might
paesibl be removed. Well, but bow has that attempt
? (Rear, hear.) Singe Dr. Callen came tato
Inked you have had a Synod of Thorns. (" Rear,
hear," from the Irish members.) Yon hays had
Waft of that synod of Thnebe smarmed by the tosent ed
Rem (Renewed arias of Ram, hear.") Icy them de-
mos na Roma, cathelis bishop is allowed to AU any plum
is tn• Queen's collegers—asear, hearl—ae esdashrede Is
allowed to be a palmier or deal of either of them and
the laity Memesives are neemmended at le rat, art
actually eaniaed, to abstain from sending tbeiren to
them, (Cheers hem the opposition benehou) The We.
cheers, but what is the issferease whisk Ns=the cosiewill draw Why it is this, that
ski
oldest whisk say t bon. Maid led in view In
in them tka t whisk tin bgbisture
in rift lbw lAN that osneillaterp ellen las been de-
fendant disseeimed by then who are mks soder foreign
Wilms& (111elsisrial assn.) DM lint is sot all.
Sines tuaboayan estabibied Wideseelzste
was Ram esthetic umbel oe *
Toured to milegm ofyew awn. Ide ma ama-
plain of Meet bet biome he 1110 pops*, be it
.oloirsoli
of so lama sa,silos hole
_Pasta

perms-
neat endowment of Maynooth, but not oislhe grounds taken
by the hon. member (Mr. Spooner.) What those grounds
were on the present occasion the right hon. gentleman could
not have heard, for he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
was asleep during the whole of the speech of the hon.
gentleman. (Laughter.) Not a usual treasury bench
sleep, but a bona fide, natural, sincere sleep. (Continued
laughter.) The right bon. gentleman then said that be
opposed the bill on account of the men who had brought it
hewed. He opposed it on account of its having been
heward by Sir Robert Peel, whom he (Mr. Os-
doubted not the right hon. gentleman now sincerely
The right hon. gentleman then gave the house
• graphic and forcible description of the condition of Ireland,
mad it was upon this descriptivn that he (Mr. Osborne)
mak* bred his opposition to the motion before the house.
Mr. Wheal here quoted the words referred to.)
Ma Webs* at this instant, rose to leave the house,
OM masoltierg with the Chancellor of the Exchequer). If
die right bisa. gentleman would wait one instant he (Mr.
Worm) would give bin the date. It was April 11,
ISO. (Laughter.) So long as there was ecclesiastical in-
equality in Ireland so long would he (Mr. Osborne)
refuse to be a party to any one - aided blow
against his Roman catholic fellow-countrymen. He did
not look upon this question as one of common endowment
alone. He regarded it in the light of restitution. (Hear,
hoar.) Those words were used by a noble lord now in
another plaoe,by the then Lord &Aden, and also by the noble
lord the present member for the City of London. Ile (Mr.
Osborne) hoped the noble lord would look upon it as a resti-
tution now, end that ha would not consent to be a party to
this direct insult to the Roman catholic* of Ireland. He
hoped that the noble lord would not unite with that body
of men who, though they might be well intended, were
united with schoenen for the next eleetione—(hear, hear)—
but that he will avoid such a union with fannies and
and resist the motion of the hon. member for
Vl•4lllrarwickshire. The house ought not to allow its
time to be taken up with each a question se this,
nor lle permit the honourable member for Warwick-
shire to make it a rostrum from which to address
his ametituents. (Chests.) The noble lord, the seconder
of tbe met agreed with the mover In objecting to the
ow. He (Mr. Osborne) would ask that
=lllla bombe aseranted for the propagation of error
is ear seledel Ispemilsesies ? (Hear, hear.) How did he
ameast he the Mum catholic endowments in Malta, in
the MerarMws. to Gibraltar, and in Canada—(hear, hear)—
all of mid* iron granted by direct votes of that house ?
From lagla be Newfoundland the house had granted
Rama adrelie endowments. He held in his hand a list
of firepleink whose appointment* were salaried out of funds
=by that house. In Ireland more than 200 Roman ea-
Opel= were appointed to workhouses and gaols, and
ctity the direetorder of that hones. (Hear.) If he remeen-
efeady, la Ink the government of the day founded
liaise Mehemet.. Colleges in India, with lecturers
and prisms of divinity. (Neer, hear.) He wondered
whether the hamenable member and his support-
ers were es well smnainted with the rites of Hindoo
divinity es le wee with those of the Roman catho
lice. What ought the haw le !Wok of that class
of men whisk steelemil at the Raman catholic gnat and
swallowed, tbe Brahmin email ? ' How could

upon
ecclesiastical arrangements in Ireland. (Neer, hear.) Ile
was not speaking of what was right or what was wroug, or
of what was to be desired or deprecated. For
hi part, he deeply deprecated the series of
changes in which such a course would precipitate
them; but he was speaking of that which appeared
to him to be, not the logical me rely but the neces-wry canoe-
ponce of the course they would fellow. Now, it appeared
to him that no serious case had been made out to prove the
failure of this endowment. They had not yet completed
the cycle of seven years since this endowment was made
permanent, and he believed he was correct in saying that
not one single student is the regular course of education
had left May, who hod entered the - • -^ since the

aim if " no.") Yes have Ramai mtholles.ndiera.
in a slides* maser ; lisjetsistsznedie fewer
ease oat ihosigs
mates, ) I betel= la be the
fast If rrire".." established at Mapes* hes sot bed
the oast of istionerieg to a great exams* a inlet system is
Deka/. why, this, the isgairl will tan oat iaysv fosse;
bet is the ethos heed, if It bat test afse, I thiak
Mae be al= =inns parliament is based to express an
the but point to which I adverted is
rens% Sir Robert Peel said, in his em.
phatic Isigraisailist he seat that grant into Ireland es a
driers I fist he seat it is a mending spirit ; that
hp laggidon to miti. piggies differing's, and to
beak sp the ihrmiLibla eashisishy to which I bare re-
*Now, I would sap sy man who hears me whether
system has bad that anat. (Rear, bear.) I ask whe-
ther teaS:fabseallia them washatheil hes had say
I
sob P Wily, the base eaggsateso
ease tamest la the puttee lapse
at the gra is W.--''stieb it was issimiel to se-
ism •' is the asses bass.,, hem=
them is me= de Inkling abess dimohli
sad Ismailia Mile thigh mese maimpieM .Lea
i the
Mrs mere peeped by the pm eautud ROM
Peel. Now, then It ems eseavit le my aikagratilaa ea this
'mint which I may m aii. The kr. mamba I
fur Kw, bee gime Selo der
ensimeat wild) Naas
to ad. hi Swi residing the
bases thin i mi
ddlemess eggel m byeN‘Wiesse late** amigo-
=...a=sma geamestmet sf tie 'slip; the laa.
es be ledbasel irkhe anauswesse at
04 me bray IMP be seeded. Ras Oa boa. geatiessea
reassal to the reports made year lifter year by
the dreams ? (Hear, kw.) Does he know what is the
eaten alt he the frisky fastitatod, dad dose ho ail* that it
aims= mg bm. Man the *lt
Nardi W .(Bear, War hem) The vision eater
hemwee of the mattes§ Jaya:reale to mhieli the a-- '- of

iynooth college Since
:nlargemeat of the endowment No reasonable man could
expect that that endowment was to operate magically upon
the habits and the sentiments of a whole people. It
was painful to him to hear the language in
which part of the history and the circumstances of
Ireland had been alluded to to-night. Nothing was more
easy than to make exasperating and inflammatory speeches
in regard to the condition of that unhappy country ; no-
thing was more easy than to retaliate those taunts. They
might draw cheers and counter cheers. They might gra-
tify every feeling of partisanship, but what did all that do
fee the prosperity and happiness of the people ? (Cheers.)
Why, there was a time, it was when one of the acts
1180 passed by the Irish parliament relating to the militia,
la which that parliament thought fit to frame the pre-
usable of a bill in these words—be quoted from memory,
bat they were something like this:—" Whereas tho
popish inhabitants of this country have often broken out
fate rebellion, and whereas it is most probable that the said
popish inhabitants will again rebel ; therefore be it
enacted." Ile had hoped that the spirit which dictated
those words was no longer represented within those walla
but when he heard the hon. member for North Warwick-
shire to night speak of the priests of Maynooth, and of
their relation to the government, in language which he
thought most imprudent and meet unfortunate,
he could not but feel that they were still in
danger, unless they put a guard on themselves,
when they approached these inflaming questions, of being
hurled back into a temper which they must all deprecate,
and which was fraught with the most disastrous conse-
quences to the country. The hon. gentleman had men-
tioned certain points, and he thought there were other
points which might be legitimately subjected to parliament-
ary inquiry in connexion with the College of Maynooth.
He frankly owned that he should have preferred that this
inquiry should have taken place at a somewhat later period,
because he thought it would be more consonant with wis-
dom that they should have waited till the pupils for two
or three successive years had gone through their entire
training at Maynooth, and they had had some
practical experience of their pastoral conduct as
compared with those who were educated under
the older and penurious system. This, it appeared to
him, would have been a wiser course than that
they should make the inquiry at a time when the evidence
was scarcely ripe. At the same time, when a motion like
this was made, they must consider not merely the expe-
diency of making it, but, in a large view of public inte-
rests, they must consider the consequence of resisting it. It
appeared to him that hie hon. friend who spoke lately on that
(the ministerial) bench had formed a good judgment when
he said, that considering the strong feeling in this country
in favour of inquiry, it was for the interest of Maynooth
that those who were its friends should not place uny ob-
stacle in the way. If it were true, as alleged, that the es-
tablishment was extravagantly large—if it were true,
though he had heard no evidence to induce him to believe
it, that Maynooth not only had the means of educating
priests for Ireland, but likewise sent a surplus to England and
to the colonies, that ought not to be,and that was a subject of
legitimate inquiry. He granted they were entitled to in-
quire if they thought fit when parliament had endowed an
institution with 26,0001. a year, whether that money was
economically and effectually e- Nay, more, he went

(Laughter.)
they eloset to the deetrines taught at Maynooth, while they
esseangail the laden= doctrines tanght at Benne
Wen be miLre that the hen. cribber and the right
S . W=lind a r respect for the
than the ? What was the
nem that they despised the Ben= in this coun-
try sod reopened the Medea la the colonies t Be-
came they were wdl awe, that if they
to Men India or ear ether aplomb' deundensiee
hell Mated beland, this great empire would
Ntopirimpkge benumb= (Lend elesere.) The right boo. gib
thmaste: Wel%wead mid that the character of the
IrhLbed ami had led the house to believe
that were the of rebellion. Had the right
has. gentians lana plus to eaaalae the statistics of
the Benin admits nage of Mayan= ? Was he aware
that Dr. Cullen wee net edireated at Kaymoodet (Chews.)
Was the right hem. geedlemem =ere en dying the late
unfortunate disturbing., then was hat eme priest brought as
is Illayneeth whe had takes pit with be ulnas Ida
=sty, midi that was Fad= (Lard diesels) Wse
be aware; that most of the who sympathised with
lb. Smith O'Brien and his de win net brought up at
Maysooth ? And yet the right hos. geadenia .aid,
es the eve of a general elation that Maynooth ought
to be inquired into because the nisei wen disloyal. (Hear,
hear.) When the right hon. gentleman talked of the priest;
having assisted Mr. Smith O'Brien, was he aware that
Trinity College furnished a great anal= of supporters to
that gentleman. They did net went an inquiry late
Trinity College, although that esilcf was confiscated
from the Boman catholic'. Was the t hon. gentleman
aware that it was a fellow af Thrifty College who wrote the
Renititimineens
he lain to smogs at atarty.eint.
Net was the near/ gives to Maynooth protestant money,
but paid from a fend of which the catholic Irish
41 belieg par. The grant was a mere restitution.

applied. .may,
a elop ihrtisur, and said that when allegations had been
mmgm NA se Wiese of the hon. member for Warwickshire,
with regord to teaching as respected civil duties and the
obligations of allegiance, then he thought it would not be
vim to show the slightest indisposition for a full inquiry.
laeidag at the speech of the hon. gentleman,
he mad Mg appeared to him that his main charge against
dradhlige of Marnooth was, that in it were inculcated the
dmleheas of the Homan catholic religion. Now, it was a
of the gravest character, whether parliament
Mae lags relations of that kind with the Roman
osibollo Amok boo it was a question that did not
Atrosi 1111 Ns emedaation of minute details; it
MS a 11.1011111 for 1611 highest legislative wisdom and
and mei OM to be referred to the inquiry
off/ of sec asiesiosmotittee; and here he came to
the Ilialtationa tiideb. as b eggeered to him, prudence and
ts.rasa imam es Oil *airy. In the first place, he
..,theisa.ipollssua who moved the inqui,
oral On mils WI 1.10 seconded it, either in express woMs
or by ems sot to be mistaken, stated it to be their
VIM the they looked on this inquiry simply as the means
of establish* certain charges on which they had made up
their Wait as tie got step to the repeal of the grant. Ha
borealis Mm pmtleman would not think he was treating
him whit Miumpost if he stated that a select committee ap-
pointed ea the motion of a gentleman of expressed views
like these 'might not to be entrusted to his guidance. The
question was a great deal too large and too important for
the guidance of any individual. It was a great national
question, whether they should or should not withdraw the
endowment from Maynooth ; it was a question which at all
times bad been dealt with by the executive govern-
ment, and what he ventured respectfully to claim was
that the inquiry now proposed sheald likewise be conducted
under the immediate superintendence and responsibility of
the executive government. (Hear, hear.) They were
there to do impartial justice, awl to consider alike the
4 Scotlend

•
this eseelly desire bigotry. (His, hear.) DIY-stlen
simply inginro tats say esetpriets rade by the preiliket,
tee bodesese or die steisole. abider the oath of allonlemes
hes lose akin by the stediele. weeper these him buss
aay drone is the eerier eel IMnodes of the 'timber,
so as. The bigotries *Ma the eiders robs bees
aothrt whores, to do with tho gelation bereillately
bare ihe him. (Hear, beer.) Now, sir, I hone stated
to dr hems mei et the roma which bare induced re to
thiak dr* ea uly eight le be pests& I *bit dos in-
quiry ought ebs posed She thise growth whisk I
have Lei. This. ea the pod it the gosersiesset. I oaa
heady say, that we Aydin dmis an %glary into the while
saber iestieurd..le slur that the quid" ray

may
be setila en searfatan .day, when the facts are bawl
sad orgateined.os se le wry out the intentions of Whale.
lawn, sad le awielhats to the pesos and prosperity of the
United Klawka. Pam)
Yr. B. 011101J13 amid had he not represented ea
atlkaway, amaltiag hie own use, and pe-
sea
ars Weasel, a the we eta guard deaths. be
haw beta otatentsd to mid the awake whisk bsd
bees bought ibrard that make by the haw member he
North Woralashire. But es belashal apse We incelea
es a new ettempt—(load oppasidea elteets)—to ruin a ea
popery cry—foreamed elesal—with which hon. guar
west ssiOt go teas bledngs—as he oaasidered the maw
$ wean ay which eertaistree might use their (amalgam
ugh aggeni to &seat ha been he, for one, would ast
has koleat shrink from eapeeesing his opinion oa
ar would he paha to what he etesedored a Ws
even should he low the conadease of hie earel.
toent. ( beers.) Be objected to Ws swam of lino
honourable member, Wean am be Nataabewd
the course which be bed always passed on this qu
the language of unmeasured lamentation whichhmets.4
employed in that home with re.- ' to his Roman

paid U.
If the hoose-were in earnest about this question let then
have ea booby Into the stab of the eetablished camel.
He wield be no piety to ea attempt to keep up the sellis
areas of inetestont erniellenity. It was not a time de.
nods Irina of the bast notional deism. tie confidants of
the mote. He conebried (=Met lona obsess) by a velment
dsurenr of the conduct of doe addition in panful.
to
nellgisei_ ejuthees.
The CHANCELLOR of the 3XCHEQUER said I Mk
the inindgente at the house is week to a point
a roprootawdaa which the btu. gentleman has =en
epee* whit Imede In letik (Hear, hear.) As It la a
point of lopertineo to myself perrnally. I beg the atter
don tithe Mos. The hon. has referred to •

feelings of linglinid, of . and of Ireland ; it wu
etmeistent with that justice that they should institute an in-
quiry late this state of the college at Maynooth, and the
Buten et education there ; but it would not be consonant
with justice that the conduct of such an inquiry should be
entrusted to any member of parliament, however
great his eminence and his gifts, whose mind
was pledged to a foregone conclusion. (Loud cheers.)
To so inquiry to be conducted under such auspices, no
fear of unpopularity would ever induce him to consent.
There was another limitation which he thought it was ne-
cessary to point out. He conceived that the inquiry ought
not to be an inquiry into the general character of the doc-
trine, the worship, or the exercise of the Roman eatholic re-
..

The hon. gentleman
spooti of Leo smile la 1843, and he says that it is
In swasqwwwo of that speech that he is opposed to
the meths of the honourable member for North
Warwickshire. There can be no mistake about
the speech in quistion, for the honourable gentleman
was kind enough to give the date, the 11th of April, 1846,
to a friend of mine, who has just brought me the speech.
The hon. gentleman is entirely mistaken : I thought to at
the time he was speaking, for, on reference to it by myself,
by the right hon. Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment, and by the Attornty.Oeoeral, we find it contain'
nothing whatever of the graphic description of the posi-
tion of the people of Ireland to which the hon. gentleman
has alluded. (Loud ministerial cheers.) There is not one
syllable of the kind in the speech. (Continued cheering.)
Mr. OSBORNE—I refer most distinctly to page 361 of
Hansard, where what I quoted will be found. (Hear,
bear.) The right hon. gentleman is getting eff with his
usual quibbling. (" Order, order.") I beg the right hon.
gentleman's pardon; I should say in his usual ingenious
way. (Laughter.) The speech from which I quoted
was made by the right hon. gentleman on the
16th of F-' 18' and will found -' 310.

Haien in the Collage of Maynooth. That would be throw-
ing on • select committee the policy of endowing
Raman catholic institutions by parliament, which was a
question not to bo entrusted to • select committee
at all. The hon. member for Warwickshire argued
that so far as regarded matters that were not Roman
catholic, visitor. were already appointed, and the-efern
there TIM mans of dealing with them ; but so far as
muds& nature that were Roman catholic, there were no
winters appointed, sad therefore he must have them re-
ferred to his committee. Ile wanted • committee to in-
quire at large into the religion of the Roman catholic
clutch as taught and exercised at Idaynooth. Now he
must say that was the very thing which, if they wanted
to adhere to the intentions of the legislature, they had no
right to touch, except when it became a question of civil
obedience. Parliament provided in 1800, and again
in 1845, that as regarded any matter relating
to tho exercise of the Roman catholic religion
or to religious doctrine or discipline, they were to be re-
ferred to the Roman catholic visitors exclusively, and while
the visiton for general purposes should make a report an-
nt- as regarded the doctrine, the discipline, and the

always'—, . ... regard of February, 1844,. .... be r...- .at page , . rually ;
catholic fellow-countrymen, he thought the motion was a I The right hon. gentleman used the distinct words which I exercise of the Roman catholic religion, no report whatever
foregone conclusion. When the hon. gentleman called quoted, and cannot now eat his own words. C. Oh, oh," was required. Therefore, nothing could bo clearer than