The Express.
London, England, 1862-03-22 00:00:00

Wit OF HA SEAS CORPUS INTO HBB.IWESTI"S

POSSESSIONS ABROAD BILL
mi. hill was nail a third time sail poised.
CONSOLIDATED FUND (114,000,0001.) BILL.
This bill was read a thinl liras and pawasil.
Their lowishipsties &disarms& at a ~ow posh S deloolc

1101:1131 OP 0012120N11—Fund, 32Aseg 21.

The Mrsmaga took Übe &West 4 eakeit.
PRIVATI BUSINESS.

The Bradford Corporatism Water Dill
_• the Manchester,
Shediekl. and Lincolnshire Railway (adatiemel ;screen) Bill ;
Trana.ere Improvemest end lie Weekmauper-Mare
Pier Bill. were road a third time and pusod.
The reports of the committees on the Berwick-upon-
Tweed Harbour Rill ; the Dundee and Perth and Aberdeen
Railway Juuctioe, aed Dundee and Newtrle Railway Bill ;
the Proiterly and Stanhope Railway Bill ; and the London,
Tilbury, and *.utbeed Railway Bill, were moldered.

THE PRCENIX PARK, DUBLIN.

Si, E. GROGAN Athol the Chief Secretary for Ireland if
say sad what gape had been taken, or were intended
he be taken, by the government for carrying into
Oat the prayer of the memorial presented to
the Lord Lientenaat on the 10th of May, Itltil, relative
to ale pleating of ornamental and other trees sod shrub;
and the making of walks and pleasure-grounds, in the
Ptimeix-park, Dublin, es had been done in Kensington-
gardens and is the Victoria and Batteries parks.
Sir K. PEEL said that the 'object had been under the
nom ideration of the I r.ah government, and they had had
submitted to them a plan for planting the park with Gems-
mental timber, but the proposal was out yet finally decided
apse.
ROYAL COMMISSION ON MINES.

Mr INGH AY asked the Secretary of State for the Horne
Department if he would lay upon the table of the hour a
sopy of the royal commission recently issued to inquire r
to crrttio classes of I.llloeB.

Sir G. t: REV said that the oornmession did not at all re-
fer to colliene% minima ironstone, or any other mines which
were now subj. et to inspection. There would be no objec-
tion to lay on the table a oopy of the commission, if his
lioa. Mood moved for it.

COLONIAL FORTIFICATIONS.
On the motion foe plug isto committee of supply,

Mr. B iXTEIt rose to call the attention of the house to
the subject of colonial fortifications ; and to move the fol-
lowing resolution :--That, in the opinion of this house,
the multiplication of fortified platten in distant pcssessions
involves a oarless expenditure ; and that the coat of erect-
big and iitaintaming fortifications at places out being great
naval stations, in sell-governed colonies, is not • proper
charge in the imperial treasury. Admiral Enthuse
thought that our colonial fortifications might be de-
stroyed with groat advantage. Lord Herbert said he was
against them altogether; and certainly it seemed rather
extraordiony iu the face of them opinions to foul the house
voting sums foe the fortification of the Canaries, Jamaica,
Newfoundland, and the Cope, who ought to pay for their
defences themselves. The colony of British Guiana paid
far its own coast defences, so did that of New
South Wales, mil for a park of artillery besides,
whilst the colony of Victoria paid sot only for
Its fottificstions, but for ordnance sent out from
this country. Is couclusion be (Mr. Baxter) thought that
bis resolution would not only lighten the estimates, and
eeecentrate the strength of :he country, but have this ed.
iiitional advantage, that it would encourage in the colonies
that spine of self-reliance which wee their beet security.
Mr. CH I L IrEIN, who seconded the resolution, saW that
the first fart of it was word for wool a repetition of a
=e in the report of the select committee, whilst the
was taken from the Laugnege of the late Loral Her-
bert, and the only ouject of the resolution was to establish,
sea matter of fact, that the government were prepared to
fellow the steps which it had been proposed to them to
take.
My CAFE wished the government had met the
metros by mono, the previous question. Bat feel-
* that the faiteratiao of these &amnion was
ealeslated to do harm in the colonist; baba
log that the capture of a single rock on which the lb,
of England floated would create a deep sensation is the
eonntry, and mewl to the downfall of any ministry ; and
thiuking. also, it might be interpreted as a confession at
orlona in their minute depeadencies if the mutton wise
earned, he should record his vote against it. (Hear.)
Coptaia JERVIS said the hon. member foe Yastrow rie
Imes would sot he induced to vote for abstract reeolutioss
sorb as that submitted by the hos. member for Matinee.
ta. LEWIS said the questmc of the fortification of the
admii . was part of the more peered question of the mili-
tary ,L-f i• sees Of the colonies. It was impossible to die •
associate one from the other. The military defences of the
admit" were lately the subject of debate. sod the house, he
thocght, came to the cosclasion that the subject must be
mounted partly se a colonial sad pertly as a military one.
Therefor% before tic boom could form any °pions on the
rmolittleo, it was necessary they should makeup then minds,
first, what view they took of the military defences of the
eoleaice ael tele far they thought it desirable that the im-
perial army Amid waist in defending tlo, colonies from
esters! enemies. Having made up their minds upon that,
the ties' ionetion to be coandend Welk how far it was
•11.,1. est to make colouial fortifications part of the colonial
delete,. Now, with regard to the view ehioh
the Emu • might de icelinal to talcs on the
georral suldeet of the defence of the colonies,
much would depend so the view formed of the reveal rela-
buss is which the celestes, according to the more recent
opsoions. s4.dd towards the mother artistry. Them were
two great slalom at prima ia the world which aimed to
subj.-et to their role as tarp s portion of the madam of the
s• it was poesihit for them—linist Britaie and the
United Steles of Amens. 'rare were in forum times two
other which model's. attempt to arrive at striver.
ml monarchy. or at all meets to • =anarchy tif very great
intent. Thee- were Bons awl Prelim But they abut-
domed Cie pesieet r.f " neeeitinq any great surface of the
world. andmoo coehneal. thenielves to goversing the terri-
tone. directly sebject to their sceptre. Now, the way in
wahwit the Veiled Mate" attempted this wee by aggregating
tertitairy under use Federal goversinest, but allowing each
separate Mate certain State righta. Until a recent occur-
rence. it wee port of the policy of the United Sham,
111•0•4114 to the Monroe dectrie. to extend their limits
to the Swath, awl to itedwa, perhaps. the whole
of Mouth America iii the of the United State.
That eystent woulit have the effect of making the central
government at Wadtington the centre of a great federa-
tion, aimpowd of semi-independent states. F.nglend
adopted a different course. The territory which was an-
marl to the Bran di crown was not incorporated with the
central government. The cambia did sot read represents-
time ta the House of Commons. When we created new
colonies we did not occasion SOT disturbance is the impend
✓epresentation. In that respect we differed essentially from
the United states, who as they annexed or created new
mew, always disturbed the relative propene'se of the re
C7tidies in Canvass, thereby disturbing the constitu-
-1 the *mind sometime'. We adopted a different
sauna sod gave to each colony a la-al legislature.
The affairs of marked empire were adminiatererl in such a
eraser as to promote the contentment end prosperity of
this people, and they looked to the mother country to
adopt such measures as might be secomary for their unto-
-111•111101 sad Maas. U the otdosies asked themselves
what benefit they derived Irmo their cossezion with the
mother cosstry• the answer would bo this, that the latter,
bring the stringer sod the wealthier defended them spinetminimal tamale by it. army mid miry. 1< that advantage
were withdrawn. uoquestiosaratur desire a the editions
to remain in their present to the moths/ weary
would be materially diraisiebed. (Hear, bear.) It be-
bored the hoes., therefore, to be east ieee hew they laid
down any general funnels sired* the Assestiose el
the executes. gurernrosot with For to the
'military defence of the carmine. h birs. Mond
the member for Montrose rid they irotglt
oat to Maur impasse ter the fortification ol distant
colonies, Masi:ouch as they were alreadyddended by thelleet.
Everybody sliuuki admit that in timed car It wed tie
prated moment to the *mote, Mat the CheiNnel test

be poem ful, and that we on:saves ohm& be
eite,tually defended against any amig.r of invasion. It woe
therefore impossible to lay down any abstract principle
which nonid render it necessary to scatter our fleet over
the wholo world, in order to defend each colaoy by a
separate squadron. (Hear, bear.) He did not mean to
pute the propo•ition that, as a gems! Ma, oar distant and
scattered colonies most be principally dependent upon naval
defence. It was, however, impossible to do more than to
assent in general terms to rich a proposition. To lay down
in inflexible terms the principle that in no case should we
resort to fortifications for the defence of our distant
possessions, would, as it seemed to him, be an incautious
and unwise step on the part of the house. (Hear, hear.)
There wa. also this view which should be taken of the matter,
that sub respect to the safety of small detachments sent
out to a colony great hazard would be incurred if they were
entirely undefended by forts or batteries ; and, on the other
hand, it might be very inexpedient and expensive to
strengthen those detachments—a measure which might be
rendered necessary by the unfortified condition of the place.
Looking, therefore, at the number and position of the cola
pies-- tie number of stations thief contained—the complicated
position of the country with respect to other zalous, and
the variety of hostilities in which we might possibly be in-
volved, it became almost impracticable to lay down any
general formula upon the subject which it would
lie tare for the executive government to act
upon. He could, therefore, only say in general
terms, that he concurred entirely with what his
honourable friend had stated, that it was inexpedient
for this country to exact new fortifications in countries
where they did not exist, or to enlarge. existing fortifications
or even to incur any great expellee in maintaining those
white hays already been constructed, but be could easily
esessin that circumstances might arise in which it would
be • prudent and an economic expmditure to incur a car-
' kin amens& el expense in fortifying our colonies. There
wee pest difficulty in laying down rule' to be applied to all
am" and he objected to general formulas as to which doubts
inW arise afterwards and questions of good faith be raised.
(ilmor, ker.) It we mid that the house should go on from
year be year wells are to complete works and fortifica-
tions, but tint minneent failed when used in support of
the reacilatins. for it was net intanded to apply to works in
program The walks bed veleresoe to the coin.
mencement of new works, not the completion of works
already commenend, and as to the former the house
bad complete control over them by refusing to agree to
any vote which might be proposed far the purpose in the
army estimates. V 1 ith respect to the question of the Mau-
ritius, he could only say that Sir John Burgoyne had pre-
pared sauna,. pines as en engtmeer—f or the fortification
' of the entire blend, bat they were never entertained or
adopted by thseasentive government. He (Sir G. Lewis)
bad preprandial the stay adanates a sum of 15.000 for the
completion of wake that bad been began, and it was not
his intention to ask ler any Geer veto in addition to that
sum. Having gone ikon& the different oases that had
been adduced, end having 4oers that so far from any wish
being entertained by the linseed t to adopt any
extensive system of colonial they am opposed
to any such principle, bat tint nevertheime it Ina ex-
tremely difficult to lay down say ebeinet Mei as to the
military defence of our coke*, er to define the precise
circumstances in which it wield be safe to adopt • particu-
lar course of action, he trusted ids boo. friend would be
satisfied with the assurance he bad received, and with
the expression of opinion which his ',lotion hod
elicited. (Roar, heat.)

Mr. ADDERLEY said—ll the motion went to a division
he should support it, believing that the extension of colonial
fortification ought not to be sanctioned by the house.
Lord H. VANE expressed a hope that his bon. friend the
member for Montrose would—after the insurance gives to
the bran by the Secretary for War, sod after the discus-
sion that bad taken plans—withdraw hie motion. The
rat hon. baronet had stated that it wan not the intention
of lbs government to prepare a grant of additional BM= for
efeeting fresh fortifications, or making a larger expenditure
than that anus in existence. He (Lord H. Vane) was very
glad to boar that promise made, for it seemed to be ex.
&Agfal whether the fortification of the Mauritius
was desirable. He agreed with the right hon. baronet that
it IMO impassible to lay down any abstract rule to be Mrs.
rryamid with respect to the defence of our colonial
• •

Mr. HALIBURTON said he fully concurred In every-
Wog which had been said by the right hon. gentleman the
Ileesetary for War upon this subject, and he would not have
troulded the house with any observations but for the per.
aossal appeal which had been made to him by the right hon.
gentleman the member for Staffordshire (Mr. Adderley),
and to whom he would have listened with very great plea-
sore had he thought that the right bon. gentleman under-
stood what be was talking about. (Laughter.) But be be.
lieved the observations which the right hon. gentleman bad
made in reference to Canada might have been omitted, as
they were very ill•timed, for if they wen reported
in the newspapers and conveyed to Canada, they would
do more harm than the absence of fortifications. (Bear.)
If it was not expedient to grant a large sum of money to
fortify the Mauritius, let that be considered at the proper
time, but it should not be made the foundation for reject.
log a grant for the defame of Curds after the recent ex-
hibition of loyalty and good feeling an the part of the in-
habit Ants of that colony. The hon. gentleman thee read
the resolution, and said that if it moult anything it wee
this- that where fortifications were sot make& it would be
very Analog to have them—(laughter)—sad the house ought
to feel indebted to the hen. member for Nemirow) for
h►ving ao admirably and perspicuously elucidated that prin-
ciple. (Laughter.) He was pot aware that our North
American adages had ever asked for fortifications ; and it
should be remembered that they would have to defend a
war brought about by this country and sot by themselves.
Mr. ADDERLEY explained that what he had said with
reference to Canada was borrowed from the hos. gentleman
himself, who said that there were no thanks doe to this
country for laving sent troops to Canada.
Mr. MILLS said that as the government had disclaimed
any intention of carrying out inch a scheme aa that
hinted at by the bon. member for Montrose the would do
well to withdraw his resolution.

Sir G. GREY wished merely to observe that the resole-
Hoe of the hoe. member for Iforstrue was enewitially dif-
ferent to that adopted by the eldest owwwities.
The resolution vu then by lean withdraw&
THE CASE OF THE RESERVED CAPTAINS OF THE

NAVY:

Sir J. HAY asked whether it was the intention of the
Board of Adadesity to continue to withhold from the
captain on the reserved list the pay to which they were
intitled ander the order in council of 1851: and moved an
adder .her Majesty to take into consideration the nee of
the sesseved esptains of her Mslmty's navy, explaining the
qllO spa.which he argued that these oilers had •
si=setkough they had no means of enforcing it.
wag seconded by Admiral WALCOTT.
Lad C. PAGET said he bad no doebt that the cairn in
Vrbelieved that they had bees weeps!; bet they
ia rnality no fair cause for complaint (as lie glowed by
• detailed exposition of their caw), though the order
might be ambiguously worded.
Sir J. PAKINOTON said the question related to the
construction of an order in council, sod it was most dan-
gerous to construe • public document, admitted to be am-
higuously worded, with reference to its intention.
After some remarks by Mr. B. COCHRAN',
Sir F. BARING, who was the First Lord of the Ad-
miralty at the time, stated the circumstances connected
with the hens of the order in council, expressing his
belief that these officers had no claim.
Sir F. Kelly, Sir M. Seymour, and Sir H. Lemke spoke
in favour of the motion, and Mr. Whitbried spinet it.
Upon • division, the motion was negatived bye to 66.
TRIAL OF HAMILTON CONNOLLY.

Mr. WHITESIDE rose to call attention to the facia
pruned on the remelt trial in Dublin of Handhoe Connolly,
a clerk in the thdnance Department, and of John M'llvaine,
a contractor with the government, and to ash the Chanoelkc
of the Exchequer, or the Secretary to the Treasury, to ex-
pLiin in what manner the Ordniooe moonlit, were kept sad
audited which allowed the proccediogs by the parties con-
victed at such trial, and whether any and what clumps
bad been effected in the mode of keeping the public ac-
counts calculated to prevent a repetition thereof.
Sir G. LEWIS mid the frauds commeeced in 1848. and,
though he had a difficulty is stating their extent, the
amount considerably exceeded that proved at the triaL He
stated the mode of keeping the accounts, and the manner
in which the frauds bad been effected—by forgery and Goa
apiary.
CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES.

Mr. A. SMITH moved the following resolution :—" That
all the civil service estimates, except that for the dvii eon-
tingeseisa, ought to be laid upon •the table of title house
within *es month after the meeting of parliament, and the
estimates for civil contingencies within a month after the
close of the einactal year, the flat day of March.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
that so attempt would be made to bind the house
or the government in this matter by • stereotyped
resolution ; becense, if the house were to lay down • fixed
Me that the Treasury must present the enimellaneous
estienales within three or four weeks after **opening of
the swam the instruction would be acted upon, but the
effect would he that the estimates would be presented in an
incomplete form.