The Express.
London, England, 1863-03-17 00:00:00

STOPPAGE OF OFFICERS PAY FOR FORAGL

On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Colonel BARTTELOT in rising to move that this house
would, upoo resolve itself into a committee to coasider
of an humble address to be presented to her Majesty, pray-
ing that she would be graciously pleased to give directions
that the stoppage from the pay of cavalry aid Hone Ar-
tillery officers for forage be discontinued, said that this
question, though brought under the consideration of the
house OD previous occasions, stood upon differ, nt ground
from what it did before. Field cavalry officers were per-
mitted to keep four horns, and obliged to keep three, and
for each horse 80. per day was stopped. °spades wen
permitted to keep three horses, and obliged to keep two,
and for each home in like manner Std. wee stopped. Lieu-
tenants and comets were obliged to keep two hones for the
bomb of the service, and Nel. was likewise stopped from
them. Now be °attended that it wee wrong to say that
the @pay of a comet wee Bs. a day, and then to de-
duct from it Is. 5d., which, in reality, reduced
his pay to vie. 7d. The mows in a cavalry regiment was
exoesdingly expeneiva, and if he put down the expenditure
of a cavalry officer at 10e. a-day be was sure that he was
Dot putting it at too high a figure. In consequence of the
examination system, of which he did not complain, there
were not as many rich men entering the cavalry regiments
she used to be the case, and therefore the stoppage of the
pay for fonge became a matter of more impmtitoos than it
otherwise would be. In the use of subalterns who were
promoted for good conduct, the stoppage of pay for forage
was still mere serious. It wee not a small matter to have
26/. • year deducted from the pay of subalteres ; 391. de-
duded from the pay of captains ; and 521. a-yeardeducted from
the pay of field officers, The right boo. gentleman the
member for Huntingdon and the late Lord Herbert ad-
mitted the injustice of making this deduction, and he
basted the right hoc, gentleman the present Secretary of
War would hold out the hope that the practies would be
abolished.
. . . . .

Sir G. LEWIS said that be was plaited between two
antagonistic forces ; for while some oomplaioed that the
charges for the army were ezoessive, others, and amongst
them the boo. sad pliant gentlemen who made the present
motion, wished to Marano the expenditure for the array
beyond that proposed by her Majesty's government. The
cost of • Danish moldier, viz., 121. had been held up
as • model for imitation, bat the hoe. and

pllaot occur-00;propOs;d;;batiras
Immoe of pay for the officers. (No, no.) It was impcesi-
ble to regard the proposition in any other tight. Now if
the proposition were carried he should have to move
• supplemental estimate. No doubt former secreta-
ries of war bad taken a favourable view of the claim,
but the price of admission to the cavalry was higher thea,
than it *mat present, and that was as advantage to those
who entered that branch of the army. He regretted that
be could not accede to the motion, sod trusted that the
hones would pass to the order of the day.
The house divided—
For the motion
Against
Majority for going into committee 32
SUPPLY—ARMY MTIMATFI3.

The house thee west into committee of supply ; Mr.
MASSZT in the chair.
On the vote of 6346371. for barrack establishment, ser.
eke., and *applies, a msoversatine took place ou some items
referring to charges for washing and other expenses to which
private soldiers are subject.
Sir hi. PESO called attention to the immorality existing
among the soldiers at Aidershott and in other camps, and
said it required the greatest exertion on the part of the
government to countervail it.
Sir G. C. LEWIS said the subject bad not teamed the
attention of the government ; they bad issued a commission
to inquire into the whole matter, with the view of Boding a
reaseiy, ad he hoped in the course of the 'melon to make •
statement a refereece to it.

After • few words from Mr. WTLD the vote was
MT•odto
The vote of 46,0871. for the purpose of Divine service was
also •`reed to.
Do the vote of 43,0121, for the expenses of the ad mioistro-
tioo of osas:tkl kw,

Yr. CHILDERS. asked whether something could Dot be
dims to leases this groat expeose, there being ow the average
about 21100 soldiers in prison.
After a few words flow Mr. W. WILLIAMS,
Lord W. GRA HAY said he understood the military
prisms were imosediogly well conducted. much better this
the civil prisms, mil be should be glad to hem from the
Haws Secretary how this arose.
Mr. Williams, Woos] Stuart. and Lord Loraine ems-
*instil of the isarease is items of this vete.
Sir O. 0. LEWIS mid the imams of the expanse far
this swift was appirestly 12,0001., bet it was sot rail, as
mosey was said into the exchequer which was sat mimed
te seder this rots
After a short damasks the vote was grad to.