The Express.
London, England, 1852-04-30 00:00:00

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almnisal ofemees. Theleitair pis 'meld be, that a
eget of 20.0001. a year would iv evailable ems=
churchosidell, added to the MIR sa
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available hem the alteration with regard to
wield give •ma 0100,0001. Theo, with mead es the
1110414111 of new diesels, be was sot shoat to eater on a
defame et episeepeep. The elm& we humid en that
eyelash sad in evesy attempt to =teed the skew& the
effinlielf mit ales be aelmiall. B.,peweppesmeddtmt two
saw else sheald be essated—ese d Weetaimise sad one
of Mid, the het to take *feet ea the seat mrelilemes of
the here, sad the dimes* of Braid to be
tmd created
sa the of the present bishopric, ea the bishop
le be elm the dean. With regard to other hussies the bill
would be priesiseise. It enacted that the Eedeliestigel
Cemeelmionera should lay before the Queen In memen
ae-
newish touching the division of dioceses, and intim avoid-
arse of any diocese, either the Ecclesiastical Comaisolowen
or the Queen in council should proceed te divide it. It was
that on the Cr division: ejtirer splice should
elected by the Eoel which
shield be the cathedral town of the dime" Ned the imam-
batt of which should be one of the mamas a the chapter,
the bishop to nominate one other incumbent te seethes ca-
asarr, while the incumbents of other Melo were to be
sairotod by the Ecclesiastical Commissioners Ire &tore ea-
nasslos, so that a chapter should be hissed around the
bishop. Theo with regard to endowments. By the act
of 1840 the average income of every dean was to be 1,0001. a
year, and no bishop was to have a less income than 4,208/. a
year. Ile proposed that the income of the deaneries should be
taken, and that, with a portion to be deducted from the in-
comes of the existing bishop., would go far to provide the
income of the new sees, and give 2,6001. to every new bishop,
while 4,0001. a year would be left as the income of the pre-
vent prelates. Assuming that there would he 16 or 17 new
sees, their endowment would require 40,0001., while tbe
sum acquired in the manner he had mentioned would be
41,0001., so that adequate incomes would be provided. Ha
also proposed to limit the incomes of certain prelates, sad
that the sum to be received by the future Archbishop of
Canterbury should he 10,0001. a year ; of the future Arch-
bishop of York, 8,0001. ; the Bishop of London, 6,0001.;
and the Bishops of Winchester and Durham, 6,0001. a year.
The sum required for the new prelates it was propelled as
create, as he had said, would be 40,0001. The sum saesallpas-
calved by the existing prelates was 100,0001. as& betbytbo
new scale their united incomes would be 1
30,0001. for the endowment of the new sees,
lees than would be required, but that deficiency erg!
only be provided by the application to it of the imam of
the PUBOOBiei and deaneries, but, besides there would he
left from those sources a surplus of 27,0001. a year
cable to the other wants of the church. By the lase Ofiri,
the measure he proposed to transfer tke samassamall ef
church property to the Ecclesiastical Cammissimaim The
Tensor., for such a proceeding might b. hod to dee me.
suitableness of those who at prevent had the m t,
in the decay which had occurred in many cathedral lo-
tions, and in the debates in that house on abuses of that
nature. As regarded the purposes of the Tithe Cemmata-
tion Act, there was abundance of precedent for what be
proposed. The very interests of the property itself re-
quired a step of this nature. Even if it was the
desire of the legislature to preserve to their successors the
rights of property held by dignitaries of the church
fur life, yet acts had been paved by the legislature by which
a largo amount of property had been alienated from the
church. lie proposed that all capitular property should
be vested in the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and
that thaw who were • paid from it should receive fixed
incomes; those who had been inducted since 1840 re-
ceiving the same income as they now did, while those who
bad been appolnted before 1810, incomes on so averageof the
last seven years. With regard to episcopal property he pro-
tooled that the management should be vested in the Ecelesi-
mafiosi Commissioners, though the fee should stilt be vested in

the bishops, but that all the bishops who had been con-
secrated since 1840 should enter on this arrangement with
regard to their property at once, and es regarded the other
sees the system should commence as they became
vacant. In conclution, the noble lord hoped it would
be believed that he bad no patty aims to effect in
beiesies hawse& We ha. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")
Ile eared naught by whom or what party the object
was attained, so that be could find the church made
thoroughly equal to the accumulating labours to which, if
she would not fall, she must now address herself, and if he
could see her occupying that place in the affection and
estimation of the country for which she was clearly destined
by the laws and by the constitution. (Cheers.) And, as he
viewed it, this was, indeed, a subject deserving the consi-
deration of that house as one which could not be made
a plain for party controversy. (Cheers.) To a subject like
glis the House of Commons might be expected to turn wil-
lingly at a moment when they were about to enter upon
political events, in anticipation of the significance and con-
' sequences of which all must tremble. They could turn to
it, not u political opponents, but as Englishmen who were
the inheritors of the blessings of a tbewnd years; and
here, at least, they could meet in a commas effort for their I
eewatry's good, and in a joinlendeavoar foe the church's
hussar. (Loud cheers.) In conclusion, the noble mar-
pit moved—" A bill to enable her Majesty further to re-
the duties of ecclesiastical personages, and to make
provision for the management ed distribution of
episcopal and eapitular revenues."
Lord It. GROSVENOR briefly seconded the modes,
and hoped that neither the government nor the hawse
would offer the smallest obstruction to the lawedactica et a
bill for miring from the revenues of the church a tend for
the spiritual instruction of the people.
Mr. WALI'OLE said there was so much in the argameate
of Lord Blandford that he thought the house should have
an opportunity of seeing the large and comprehensive mea-
sure he had shadowed forth; at the same time, it was so
kip sad se comprehensive, he thought it better that the
ank& be seen before any opinion was pronounced upon
sesseslYsse which depended very much upon the details,
iaiw~ss W sands in
flit Y. II(fILIS declared heath stronglye were to
heb° corarlqu °d
L n os
uto. n -
anent OS the alleged facts put forward by Lord Blaudford,
his avenies to the mode in which he proposed to airy out
kis lithos, and his regret that the government, after tho
=it et the noble lord, should have assented to his mo-

Sir B. HALL spoke in favour of the measure ; and
Mr. HUME thought that Lord Blandford had proved
himself the best friend of the church, in attempting to put
down abuses which were a scandal to the church.
Mr. COW PER spoke warmly in favour of the principles
laid down by the noble marquis ; and
Mr. HOESMAN expressed his satisfaction generally
with the measure.
Mr. S. HERBERT was sensible that • reform of eccle-
siastical abuses was becoming every day more necessary,
and he trusted that the matter, being in such judicious
hands, would be brought to a successful issue ; though,
until the bill was before the house, it would be impossible
to form a judgment as to its details.
After some observations by Sir H. Verney •ad Mr.
Aglionby, and Rom the Marquis of Blandford in reply.
Imive was given ; the bill to be introduced by the
Marquis of Blandford and Lord Robert Grosvenor.
THE CRYSTAL PALACE.

Ilr. HEYWOOD regretted that he bad sellbems die to
bibs forward this subject at ea mar poislestrelentios.
Ho WA waited early is the sessile es Ifte leek the
amber for Totem, lbw First Hemmiimer of Week
semi Pereste, to inform lira of hie kinslis to move for a
smile sommittee. That sails Imi • wish that
the amnittee might be ddepoL t t to that the
whig parnment left Oise, semis it delay arose in
. He had alio seen the noble lord at present at
461:1"="of Woods and Poemle, and learnt that
at list time the Bead of Commielosers were
embielsg Ms 'spa d M emthile, L bad also de-
ltoid lis moths ea sesoust of the higmlest public meet-
is Iftleit took plea • day or Me ege at Easter-hall
Thee nmeing—a very large alleillaallhgel of the inhabitants
star pitheepalis—had Maid is borrocsf the retention
of the Orpted Palace. (Flearesips., WM opinion was
tiered, to • great extent, by the in the thentry, and
he appealed to it as • fair r of the views of the
middle classes. The ,Nowa Gimes were then unanimous
in favour of its retention. Nee no," end cheers.) The
total want of opposition at the maim in Exeter hall was
• complete proof of the truth of his statement. (Hear,
hoer.) At the time when the subject was formerly
dimmed it was understood that a select commit.
tee should follow the address to the crown, and he thought
Weed that Met was partly the °Nett of the address.
They were under essie obligations to the govern-
ment for the agfeisOstmts of Lord Seymour, Sir W.
Dubin, and Dr. 7Ldlsy to the commlatien—(hear, hear)
—whiels bad layeMpted this subject ; and he must say,
although he inn& bout certain parts of their report,
there wee one pint in which ho cordially coucurred, and
that was the meet theamnisal plan would be for the govern-
ment to purchase the Crystal Palace. The price was only
46,0001., which was very much below the valise of the ma-
terials of that femme pile of glom and iron. (How,
hear.) The ammirelos bad examined Sir Joseph
Paxton sad Mr William Fox with regard to the
present dab of the building. He (air. Heywood)
could mem the house that the fonsilatime were
Am, the Win onsellent, and that say whisk
might be seiremy held be effected at • wry eat
Sim the report of the osemition • amber of
had gives MEd= to the imaged, MI a now fthild
been draws up by them en which to atekteds the
It wee to plass the Palace in the farm ofTi
the traftes softie t
pass esigeademes
perourkeg the se
of the as& ems of the
meats= of tie peasmat for the time boil& mod held.
itgi=diess. It me quitequitelmpossible that
a tho re,M
mold end to AIM, es account of the
pledge ghee at an arly pried. He lam that great ins-
presalle was sftil by many hes. membors to the
that the me to cane M
rssad gram to
rame% ea its site by Mlet of June. There wee a dam
is the aniest, by whit it the Flat Commissioner of Woods
eel Tema pad the keg power to come hi am& pull the
ialli deem,te mem sod sell the materiels, aril with a
pertaillithe palm of the sob to sow grams es its die. He
ked never seas a deed &ma up with greater serisgesay.
Eat the building was • new invention in archilsoMe ; it
I was ese of the pietist inventions ever made fa this
mendry for the advancement of mime. (Haw, hear.)
Oes ggrrepat objet of the friends of inhasetiat wee to promote
luawledge of science be tha exhibitisa of seleatido
mots. Since the bedding was maul phis opinion had
mutergene • great cheep, es& it was am Mired that the
Isms atioubl allow the esmaistes to be appointed, the
simmitles to have the Mat power to inverdpies every
Mak of the subject. He did aei wish to limit the
committee to the quails whether the building should

remain in Hsge*Or whaler its size should be altered.l
It wessoid byyds many Mgt the Minding was too long, and
that if itsisord in idea Its beauty would be increased, with-
out Its anielenr any purpose being impaired. Were
tio=firedueed, the objection taken to it by Lord
r:Justice Cresswell, and other distinguished
wereentb Would in all probability be removed. There was a
Obis effnemnbene in the house who objected to the retention
of file °natal Pales. because It interfered with the ride is
lineen-row. The committee ought to investigate how
MIN farther accommodation could be dodged (or the riding
mu. The building had admirably answered its original
purpose; during the Exhibition it was the great at-
traction of the metropolis, and it now remained
a monument of architectural skill and great
power of design. There were men who objected to
it u a monument of the Great Exhibition. That was the
very reason why it ought to be retained. (Hear, hear.)
The Exhibition was one of the most interesting events in
the British history—it was an era in the history of the
world, and the beginning of those intimate commercial re-
lations with different countries which he hoped to see vastly
extended. (Cheers.) With regard to the objects to which
it might be adapted. There was the plan of Sir Joseph
Paxton for a winter garden. London was the only great mo
tropolis of Europe without a winter garden. (Hear, hear.)
The climate of this country was so uncertain, so damp, so
foggy, that the luxury of a winter garden would not fail to
be highly acceptable. Ile hoped that the building would be
preserved, and that it would be placed under government
control and careful management. He had no wish to limit the
objects to which the building, if preserved, might be ap-
plied. He did not wish to limit it to a winter garden ;
there were other more beneficial purposes for which it
might be used. Ho thought our means of giving instruc-
tion in science were extremely limited. (Hear, hear.) The
collections of geology and natural history in the British
Museum were little known at the west end, because so far
off. The inhabitants of the west end had no opportunity
of deriving instruction from them. lie did not know any
place so well adapted to the exhibition of scientific spec,-
mens as the Crystal Palace. Objections were taken that
the building was too large and uninhabitable. That was a
point on which great improvement might he made. (Hear,
hear.) If the building were kept up, ho did not expect
there would be • very large concourse of people except at
particular times. There was one kind of exhibition
for which it was peculiarly adapted, -- that was
botanical exhibition. Hon. members who had frequently
visited Chiswick and the Regent's-park during the floral
exhibitions must remember how often their pleasure bad
bees broken by the rain. There was, in fact, no plan
which could be better carried on under the dome of the
palace than a botanical exhibition. lie should wish the
committee to be appointed in order to have a thorough in-
vestigation. They ought also to examine into the point of
honour which had been raised. He believed it was usual
formerly to refer points of honour in that house to the then
Sir H. Hardinge, but this was not an affair of that kind.
An important principle was involved in this question ; it
was that of clam divisions. The middle classes were in
favour of, and the aristocratic classes were against, the
retention of the Crystal Palace, and he considered it one of
the most dangerous and serious divisions that could agitate
this country. (Hear, hear.) lie should be very much cur-
plied if the noble lord (Lord John Manners) opposed the
motion. When he (Mr. Heywood) was on a visit at
Haddon Hall, one of the seats of his Grate the Duke of
Rutland, he had met a French nobleman, with whom Le
bad engaged in conversation on the subject of the English
aristocracy. That French nobleman stated as a reason
why the English aristocracy retained their privileges and
position and the French had lost theirs, that the English
aristocracy knew when to make just concessions. (Hear,
hear.) .This was • time fur the aristocracy to
make a small concession to the unanimous opi-
nions of the middle classes. It was stated that the
building would not be open to the poorest classes. It would
not be absolutely open, for under the proposed trust a small
entrance fee would be exacted. But the poorer and the
poorest classes have signed numerous petitions praying
earnestly for the retention of the Crystal Palace. The
change that had taken place in public opiaion since its erec-
tion was manifested at the meeting at Exetet-hall. At that
meeting a deputation was appointed to wait on the noble
earl the first minister of the crown, but unfortunately that
nobleman had been unable from press of other business to
receive the deputation, and the subject was therefore
brought before the house without having been submitted
to the head of the government. But the noble lord (Lord
John Manners) bad paid a great deal of attention
to it, and he (Mr. Heywood) hoped that the noble lord
would allow the committee he asked for to be appointed.
The hon. member concluded by reading his motion for a
select committee to consider the preservation of the Crystal
Palace, or the central portion thereof, with a view to its
applicability to purpose's of public instruction and recrea-
tion. . . .

Mr. IlUMli seconded the motion, in order to state to
the house the view he took upon the subject. The lower
orders of the people of this country have, until late years,
not been treated with that attention, and sympathy, and
fellow-feeling which ought to exist between all classes. Ile
wished to see England a country in which the rich should
enjoy their wealth without envy on the part of their
poorer brethren, and the poor paid fairly for their labour.
It was a duty owing by the high to the lower clams,
which, until of late years, had not been fairly responded to.
On that ground he entreated her Majesty's government to
consider that what was asked now was to promote healthy
recreation and to increase the means of instruction and edu-
cation for the people. (Hsu, hear.) There were two mil-
lions of people in the metropolis, caged up for the greater
part of the week, who worked from Monday to Saturday
without other interruption than that necessary for refresh-
ment. The house was bound for the sake not of one par-
ticular interest, but in the interest of the whole commonalty,
to entertain any fusible plan for the promotion of the edu-
cation, instruction, and amusement of the working classes.
It was the duty of the government to promote
by all its means the greatest happiness of the
greatest numbers. (lieu, hear.) He could not conceive
any plan more satisfactory than the present. It appealed
more especially to those who took an intereet In the reli-
gious education of the people. (Hear, hear.) In 1841 he
submitted a motion to the house for a select committee to
inquire into the present state of the national monuments,
works of art, and public buildings. Ile did not do so for
his own gratification or to serve a selfish purpose, or to pro-
mote the pecuniary interest of any individual ; it was with
the view to consider the means of affording facilities to the
public for inspecting those monuments as is means of intel-
-1 ectuall improvement. (Hear.) The result of that corn-
mittetiwasa decision that the British Museum, the cathedrals,
the National Gallery and all the public monuments should
be opened as speedily as possible for the admission of the
public gratis. It was highly honourable to the character of
the people that the attention of the aristocracy was now
directed to promote the interests of the working classes. To
no point had that attention been more beneficially
directed than to the improvement in the build-
ing of their dwellings. No :case could be more
urgent than the education of the lowest chums.
He would fearlessly appeal to the benefits which had re-
sulted from these improvements. At one time, the British
Museum was only visited by 70 or 80 parties, of seven or
eight persons each, in the course of a year, and an attendant
used to go round with each party, and never to lose sight
of them lest they should do some injury to the collection.
When the proposition was made to throw open the Museum,
the officers were examined before a committee of this house,
and they gave it as their opinion that if the public were
admitted, serious depredations would be committed. When
it was determined to grant free access to the establishment,
every precaution was taken, and persons were placed in every
room to guard the collection. But what had been the fact ?
Why, that not a single article had been touched, although the
admissions had risen to a million inane year-30.000 persons
having_ frequently passed through the institution in one
day. lost year—which was of course an extraordinary one
—he believed that about two millions had visited the mu-

seam, and not one farthing's worth of damage had been
done. (Hear, hear.) A similar remark would apply to the
National Gallery; but while the numbers had thus in-
creased at these places the trifling sum of twopence charged
for admission to St. Paul's, had caused the number of
visitors to the metropolitan cathedral actually to decrease.
So again with respect to the Tower. When the fee was
3s. there were only 10,000 persons who went over it in •
year, and of those 3,000 were free. When the price was
reduced to Is. the number rose to 40,000, and now the fee
was only sixpence, no fewer than 100,000 persons were ad-
mitted in a single year. He (Mr. Hume) thought that it
would be only a fitting reward to the people for their
excellent behaviour to throw open the Tower, and to abo-
lish the unwarrantable and absurd regulation of only ad-
mitting a certain number at once, lest the place should be
taken by surprise. (Hear, hear.) The conduct of the
people at all these places of resort had been most exemplary,
and the result had been a great and general improvement
in the public peace and tranquillity. Men high in autho-
rity had been afraid to trust the people, and would have
surrounded the metropolis during the Exhibition with
troops. But what had been the real state of the case ?
They had seen 80,000 or 90,000 persons assembled within
the walls of one building and as many more Without,
and yet they had not had occasion even to call
the polite. (Hear, hoar.) Colonel Rowan had assured
him that since these public buildings had been thrown open
the conduct of the people had so much improved that in
any part of London one policeman was now sufficient to
maintain peace and order over a district where the services
of six or seven would formerly have been required. (Hear,
base.) And it was easy to account for this. In former
times the different classes of artisans and labourers, persons
whe leek tour or five holidays in the year, used to make
up to spend those holidays at public-houses and the
haunts of immorality and vice; but now they made
reemportise to take their wives and children to Hampton
the National Gallery, and all these public places—
net ongoing, as of old, the amusement and indul-
glass to themselves, but extending it to the whole
of their families. (Hear, hero.) The question,
then, was whether the house would avail themselves
of this opportunity of providing another of those valuable
aids to the improvement of public morals? (Hear, hear.)
Another consideration of great importance was, the service
that the Crystal Palace would render in improving the
public taste. The late Exhibition had proved that although
in ankles of durability we far excelled all our neighbours,
yet in many of the finer descriptions of goods our produce
was inferior to that of other countries, notwithstanding that
Our workmen greatly surpassed their rivals as farin-
genuity and industry were concerned. And why ? Because
the taste of foreigners had been cultivated by constantly
seeing before them the various collections of nature and
art which they possessed. (Hear, hear.) The committee
for the preservation of the Crystal Pelee° did not call
for a single shilling of the pubic money. They oaly
asked the house to allow them an inquiry. They
asked for no more than had been granted to
the Botanical and Zoological Societies. The Committee
I asked the country to let them 18 acres in Hyde-

park for the purposes of public education—for forming
a general collection of art and machinery, and also for the
purpose of affording the means of recreation to the public.
For his own part, he could not imagine on what grounds the
request could be refused. The scheme would be curried
out, not at the expense, but to the profit, of the country;
and it was proposed on two days of the week to charge an
admission fee of only 3d., one day being entirely free.
For these reasons, therefore, he hoped that the appli-
cation of the noblemen and gentlemen who had come
forward and offered to act as trustees in a similar manner
to the trustees and managers of the liotanical and Zoological
Gardens, would not bet refused ; and he bad gnat pleasure
in seconding the motion. (Hear, hear.)
Colonel SIIITHORP and Mr. Le Hueco Rua then rose to-
gether, and the right hon. gentleman, amidst great
laughter, gave way to the gallant colonel, who said that his
condact with respect to the Crystal Palace had been strictly
in conformity with the declarations .lic had made in that
house. (Laughter.) He had never entered it. (Renewed
laughter.) If any individual would have given him a thou-
sand guineas—not a small sum in these days, notwitlistand-
iug the importation of Californian and Australian told--lie
would not have done so. He dared not, upon principle and
what he considered to be his duty. (Laughter.) lie cer-
tainly would not have exerted any improper mimes to pro-
cure the demolition of their Crystal Palace, but he had
hoped that sumo visitation WWII have fallen upon it and
annihilated at one fell swoop what he believed to hove been
prejudicial to the best interests of the eouutry. (Lauehter.)
That was his wish, and, however much he might be laughed
at, his most earnest desire was to promote the prosperity
of our native industry against the attempt which laud been
made for its subversion in favour of the foreigner. (Hear.)
They had congregated great iiimihers of the working
classes in London for purposes of recreation. It, creation,
indeed ! These poor p. mono had been drawn from their
homes by a trick, by subtlety, and by fraudulent repre-
sentations, and they had return, d to their families disap-
pointed and impoverished. A noble lonl in another plain
had talked of the harmonious and amicable confederation
which the Exhibition had caused ; yet two gooe roments
bud since come forward, and said they wanted national de-
fences. It seemed that they could not rely upon the
foreigners—their friends and neighbours as they hail called
them. Ho (Colonel Sibthorp) could not do that. If he thought
a man was a rogue he would tell him so; he would never re-
sort to the low, dirty, mean, and contemptible trick oinking
a man to his table, and then telling him that he was not
worthy to sit there. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) lie
had been told iu many provincial towns that their prosperity
was passing away. In London, the shopkeepers would tell
them that unless they said their goods were of French
manufacture, they would not buy them. People acquired
this taste from persons who could not pay their debts, and
who went abroad and lived in a cheap and nasty style.
English goods were durable and good, but French were
flimsy and fascinating. (Laughter.) As for the pie", of
the park which they proposed to retain, they had no
more right to take it from the people than they
had to take the mace off the table. Ile rep. ted
teat the building was ever erected ; it had been a serious
injury to the public ; and the sooner there was a proof of
repentance by removing the building the stainer the Kunio
would be satisfied. (A laugh.) lie was disposed to assist
as tar as he could in the education and rational enjoyment
of his fallow creatures, but he would not be a party to a
broach of faith.

Lord J. MANNERS said he should decline to follow the
example of the hon. and gallant gentleman, by cutering
into the merits of the Great Exhibition, or to review the
earlier acts of the public life of the hon. member fur Mon-
trose, when he had endeavoured, and most successfully, to
call the attention of the house to the recreation of the
people. The house knew his services in that iespect, and
they were duly appreciated by the working people them-
selves. (Cheers.) Ills object was to state, us shortly as
he could, the reasons which induced the government to
think that the agreements under vrlii2h th,: Exhibition
building was raised, and under which it ought to be re•
moved, should be adhered to. (Rear.) First and tore most
of these he placed the notorious fact that, bad it not been
for the strong and solemn nature of those engagements,
there was at any rate a great probability that the building
never would have been crested in llyde.pnrk. (hear.)
What were the terms of those engagements ? In the
Royal warrant of the 11th July, 18..g0, were the following
words : " That the same building or erection which may
be erected on the said site or piece of ground, and all the
=aerials and contents thereof, shall be completely re-
moved and carried away, by and at the e xpense of the said
commissioners, on or before the let day of June, ISI2 ; and,
on or before the same day, the said commissioners for the
Exhibition shall, to the satisfaction of the commiesionere
for the time being of woods, forests, ste., restore the soil
and surface of the park to its form, before any part
thereof was inclosed by the said commissioners."
In the covenant carrying out that undertaking was this
confirmatory clause :—" And the said commissioners for
the Exhibition shall and will observe and perform all and
*very the directions in respect of those premises which
shall, from time to time, be given by the said commission-
ers for the time being of her Majesty* Woods and Forests;
and especially will, on or before the Ist of June, 1652, take
down and remove, or cause to be taken down and removed,
all and every building or erection which shall have been
erected upon or within the said site mentioned in the said
royal warrant, and all the materials and implements em-
ployed in the erection of the same, and all the articles
which may be brought upon the said piece of ground for
the purposes of the said Exhibition." Nor was that all.
In the preliminary discussions and arrangements between
the royal commissioners and the first commiss:oner of
Woods and Forests, was this provision :—" That the Exhi-
bition shall be closed on or before the Ist of November,

ISSI ' • immediately after which all possible dispatch
shall be used in taking down the building, removing the
materials, and reinstating the ground, within seven months
from the close of the Exhibition. Ard in the event of
their failing to do so, it shall be competent for the Com-
missioner, of Woods and Forests to remove the same, sell
the materials, and apply the proceeds in defraying the cost
of removing the same. So strong was the feeling that
the building ought to be removed after its purpose had
been served, that the commissioners on the ith of June,
• .

lgfid, objected to the insertion of further words in the
agreement, on the ground that the intention was sufficiently
obvious, adding that they hoped to close the Exhibition
and remove the building long before the period named in
the conditions, and that their reason for naming so compa-
ratively distant a day was simply to prevent the possibility
of misunderstanding should any unforeseen circumstances
prevent them closing at the time contemplated. After
referring to that language, it was scarcely nicessary
to refer to the debates in that house. The noble
lord then at the head of the government and the
Attorney.Cieneral were most distinct iu their assurance
that the building was purely of a temporary character, and
that the public faith would be indisputably maintained.
Admitting that the retention of the Crystal 'Palace in its
present site would be as advantageous for the object es the
mover believed it would, he contended that the evil result-
' ing from so manifest and flagrant a violation of the public
faith would greatly outweigh any good that might be at-
tained. (Hear.) Occasions might again arise when, for
some great temporary purpose, it might be advisable to
alienate for a limited time a portion of the royal or public
domains; but the objection to such temporary alienation
would be vastly strengthened, should the house take the
course It was now invited to pursue. (Hear.) lie denied
that the retention of the building on its present site would
be advantageous to the working people of the metropolis
generally, for two reasons ; the first, derived from the
nature and character of the building itself; the second, from
the site it occupied. It was admitted on all hands, and no one
admitted it more freely and cordially than himself, that the
building was admirably adapted for the purpose it was in-
tended to serve. (Hear, beer.) But a very strong argu-
ment against its retention for permanent purposes
was derived from the (act that it was so admirably
adapted for those temporary purposes. Sir Charles
Fox gave them clearly to understand that, in his
opinion, a new roof and a new floor would be essential
for the purposes of a permanent building. Ile said—" If
it were converted into a winter garden there would be large
alterations in the floors and galleries ; and the timber com-
ing out of those floorings might be sold for a considerable
sum. I should advise some alteration in the roof, certainly.
The glazing was done under such extreme pressure for time
that 1 should be disposed to re•glaze it." 'That pretty
nearly amounted to a new roof. Mr. Dilke, who was very
anxious for its retention, also thought a new roof necessary,
substitituting iron for the present wooden gutters and ren-
dering it wind and water tight ; the expense of which might
be 20,0001. or 30,0001. The skilled, successful, and most
intelligent designer of this fairy fabric, Sir Joseph Paxton,
did not disguise his opinion that if asked to erect
a building for the purposes enumerated by the
hon. mover, he would erect a totally new, and,
in some respects, a different structure. Ile said—
" If I understand your lordship to ask whether I could
make a better building if I had to make another, I can only
answer I ieuld do so." He also thought a new roof would
be wholly or in great part necessary, and said that for
2.5,0001. in addition he could put up a much finer, more
magnificent, and appropriate building than the present one.
Mr. Hawkins gave it as his decided opinion that the
building was not fitted for permanent purposes, and that to
reader it so would be as costly as an entirely new building.
Mr. Cole said that if it were desirable to have a depository
for a permanent collection of articles of vertu and so on, ho
did not think the present building by any means the most
suitable place ; but they had got the present building—
(hear, hear)—and they had got the covered space, and
temporarily he would take all the advantage lie could of
those circumstances. (Bear, hear.) When he (Lord J.
_ . . .

Mennen) saw the purposes to which it had been urged st
public meetings the building might be applied, in
order to stimulate the popular agitation, Its was over-
whelmed with the contradictory nature of those purport s.
It had been proposed to make it into a ball-room, into a
winter garden, into a covered ride. (No, no.) .ir Joseph
Paxton wee evidently more delighted in contemplating a
ball being given in the Exhibition building than anywhere
else. (Hear, hear.) Then, it was to be a lecture-room,—a
statue-gallery,---a garden,—a forest,.—a genteel casino.
(Laughter.) Last, not least, on the only day of the week
on which the working classes could have access to it, it w as
to be turned into a congeries of preaching-houses for the
different religious sects into which the community is
divided. (" Hear," and " No, no.") That brought him
to the second resents why the building in its present shape
would not be advantageous to the working classes. At a
recent public meeting a speaker had maintained as an in
disputable right, that if the building were kept up, to give
the working classes free access to it it must be open on Sun-
day ; and to meet the objection which naturally arose to
breaking down the rule that had hitherto Lein maintained
of closing all our public institutions on that day, the scheme
he had referred to had been proposed, whereby the liturgy
of the church of England would be used in one corner, rind
every class of dissenting community would have its appropri-
ate preaching place in some compartment. ((ATM laughter.)

—M. LABOUCHERK mid he could not feel content in
giving a silent vote on the present occasion. It bed been
NUJ treat the government incurred a certain amount tef an-
p.i.ot.irity in opposing this motion, but whatever marier
kite might arise, he was quite willing to take hie tinge of
Lt, 41. h•- looked upon this pavilion as simply one of sped
faith k Hear The right hon. member for Lambeth
should knew that the government had pledged themselves
to th. temporary object of the building, and that object
ka....c helm achieved the pledge most be redeemed. Ile
(Mr Litmus-here) was one of the pertin who had given
that pl. dee. sad he felt that ho only redeemed it by resist-
ico the present 11106311. Ile did not moan to say that if
the teeling duke knee mad the public had been unanimous
ire retention, the same rarity for observing the pledge
would have existed, but from all he oould learn
through the eirdisety channels of information, he did
set think them was any very genus' sentiment
is favour of the retestion of the building.
Mr. D. CAVENDISH complained of the construction
that had been put on the evidence of Sir J. Paxton. If
my pledge had been given, it must have been given te
the public, and the vast number of petitions showed that
he public were ready to absolve the governamt.
/Ile. W R OREGOas attempted to Writes the house' but
IP voice w completely drowned in the general cry fee a
tool o.
Lord PALMERSTON was anxious to state, in it Iher
words, his reasons for giving his vote in favour of the mem
hon of hie honourable friend. (Cheers.) He thought ye
am who west tore the Exhibition last year could WI le
be struck by the reflection that however wonderful end
worthy of admiration were the multitudes ef
erns of industry and art which were caw
tamed ia that building, there was nothing in it worthy
to reaper. with the building itself m an. object of
almsration. Or could not help feeling regret that a
huc..ling so extraordinary, to which there wee nothing Ia
tie n. lid that weld be compared, should be
_palled down
inter it had served its temporary purpose. (Hear, boar.)
'ltiat sentiment must have been experienced by every man
vilio, since the close of the Exhibition, had pored_ by that
wonderful fabric, and every one must have wished that
some purpose could be found to which its perrensat retie-
boa could be usefully applied. In thinking are the
loft,. to which it might be applied, many si these
Lad been stated by bon. gentlemen in the debate of that
maht hail occurred to him, by afro of whisk
the building could be applied to metal peepers
for the instruction and amusement of the potpie
et the sastrepede end the ttryy at Wyo.
It appeared to him that sot "sly the epeeaiem which bed
b. • rade is Amer of the motion but these whisk had
ems made agate& it, all, in his opinion, lad le the serds-
am that the sedirell was in itself one et mreatfinterestamd
*nod as iaquiry—(hear, hear)—end tbesidere the re-
p, course was net le negative the eteds•—(beer, hew)—
betto hale • eerneilene of 'curry, se that the knee as
a figure cream wi(eht bre sere greyed@ ea whisk they
meld testier their advise to the devernetent am le the
no awe or derelities of that reel adrieehle heeding.
(theirs.'
Led SEYMOUR wee ndweelet to esrepy the arenden
e the house, bat se he bad been -alluded le be
the Merle of the debate,
_be Itessed to Mira
to
kw • few cream He bed elm WM* in the ratter,
bet • rent frrly and bossily to fella ea nreigesent lino
whisk es a ensmhuref the Mte he had entered.
He weed not term to the seeds is that bear in
WO, bet, if be did le, be 11411111 demi, slow UM mks' •
=had bee. Ora that the radii/ be the Great
kr drab' be it weidd never bowboss
allowed to her hen reseed.irr, her.) The peel*.
be thee eseriel iniplieneed Ws peed bleb more than that
el the other mob= af the drearrent, for he leg kai
r sprieetien der sere pears wbe bed reared • rep
ewe of mosey in bear deemed VW tat Pent, Wes
Ceti him that they freed that when relbling was twee
Need there it weebl he kept there, that meetly waddle
r• up. that petitions were seedy made, and the same over
whop .0.10 aced to get sip the lishibitlen "weld be used to
"UM the building._ He cold them that
ati bemuse of the
s":"um doubt
ite. ',....,1:r0Cal wrwi
...wale.S.."ll...wilaiLzr"res:4lerminigthentais
these
eat,
a rue. of lee illefilmillings en the peen& when Pelnee•to
ire 4011 mend. The geirememe& was sexism to serer
the. loadings, hat se rarer • ere wee sited ler them
that they heat out inducement's he MIME Maas is ardor
to make it weer their while to porellease the kind. They
*routinely invested a lases eau Is the jogroben en
It. faith of the government of the day. Whet serail
ta mid to those pens.. if—after having allowed then
IP .owl 900,000 f. in budding WWI Meson—if
try were reeked up by • I•ip purity bed&
we Mows.) It would be a disheeame teenseedeni
Worec whisk ao individual in that hoes. would be guilty I
et (hm, hoe.) Why, then, should they he regardless
tithe power of the ramie ? (Dear, hear.) lie had seen
rprise • letter hem Lord Carlisle en this selajest
lard Carlisle was Ishaeolf a party ea the homer ennpre
oat, said he feisty admitted is theurnhiserant of
WM hurt. the latter parties of whisk had seed
the right boa. gentleman the esserber for Lanark
Ent though he road set appear row take pert is,
ise proxerlings of a meeting, he did net mead wr'itleg Is
Irma of the mender of the beibling. (Maas,
..166, O
Be (Lori Keynoter) said net weilendeed ie
whir allowed a Ewa to do iedlreetJy that which he waited
Set do openly. Either the obligation wee k6aa seit MS
net. It .t was, Lord Carlisle teetlbwweltlee teesthat
his,,. and at is wee not he Wein haw shredied the gm*
iser (Dear, hear.) While he believed the tat esando
awn would keep faith by releirellig the building, yet
Seer conduct had bem compromised by their ambito* and
their ei er,tary, for Si. Joseph Paxton had sent r',uad line
11116111, country—(mar, bear)—to endeavour to defeat ill
Willeatro, into which they bed entered. (flew, bear.) Int
midi Paxton had seferred to whet be NMI a is&
*Mean rat of hie celibate. A commie led been op.
prow in Depurator, en which be (Lent fleyrnerl
with sir W. Ciibitt and Dr. LOS", Min were adin%
qualified for the purpose, for, as NO WIN the cost of mar
Ware the building, no o•• ride he•
• hotter
ajadt:
EltQua Sir W. Colas, and us the listrai 1 there could not he • sure Indio Ikea
dley. Sir Joseph Pastas sobs UNA
fleystort) understood from the sollmi es

Lord SEYMOUR. said when he undertook that inquiry it
was clear, treethe course of the inquiry, that the question
of good faith worn not to be submitted to theirconideration.
Ile did not enter into it in obedience to his owa wishes, but
in obedience to the wishes of the howls.

Mr. ALCOCK moved that the debate be adjourned.
Bir K. PEEL said the impression he had entertained that
it was not desirable to maintain the Crystal Palace was en-
tirely changed, and that he was now as strenuously disposed
support its maintenance as he was before to advocate its
removal. He hoped then were many hoc. memberswho
had also changed their opinions. He hoped, also, that the
good faith of parliament would not be say serious obstacle.
(Laughter.) lie would call ~to their mends the history of
parliamentary pledges. Parliamentary pledges were like
ductile elay, that might be formed to fashion or to caprice.
Mr. WYLD hoped that the discussion which had taken
place would at any rate result in proceedings to establish
some permanent. national receptacles for selected products
and speeimeus of arts, sciences, and manufactures.
Mr. HEYWOOD briefly replied, and
The house divided:
For the motion lO3
Against

Mejority for government llB
THE CASH OF COL. OUTRAM
Mr. ANSTEY moved for papers conoering Colonel Out-
rem's mimics and hie investigation into the 'sinews of
corrupt relations between the Goicower and certain officers
of the Bombay govorament, and also concerning the re-
moval of Col. Outman from Beroda.

TM PRESIDENT of WeBOARD of CONTROL
stated, the papers bad only arrived ;by the last mail, and
were not yet in hie hands. When the papers were ready
thy would be predated.
Lard JOCELY leW, after the as just given, the
Nadia would be wirawn.

Ilk J. HOOO demented the course taken by Kr. Anetey
of Eakin statements wholly unfounded against the oaken
of lie Bombay government. He denied that there was any
peed for charging those ofticen with corruption, end
at end that Colonel Outrun had succeeded in bringing to
punishment the delinquents by whom the attempt had been
MOM& to tarnish the British name.

After ibririconversaii;n, Mr. ANSTEY withdrew the
motion, sad moved an instruction to the select committee on
Indian territories to examine Colonel Outtans.
The PRESIDENT of the BOARD of CONTROL con-
sidered it to be wholly at vat ence with the usages of the
bars to give each instructions without grounds stated.
Mr. 0. THOMPSON thought it important that Colonel
MO= should be sidled before the committee.

The PrtiilDll3lT of theBOARD or CiiNTROL in-
*mail that ft nes suite competent to the committee to
mil Oil. Ostenn lam Awe if they pleamd.
And the SPIAILLII, having stated that it world cot be
seder to vole each an instruction, the motion was with.
&atm

FRIENDLY 11001X1111&

Mr. SOT IlEitYtlns;vei tM t of • select
ormadttes to *min late the of the low Mottos
to /*aft sioitale. Ms bad hile•dood • imam ea the
-N', mod had emend ooneatims tee so any aseeod-
aolost
um%amine& dog le tem mine to refer the whole swim to •

L airme___lss
Kr. BOT sold be did not propose to refer his
Mll to n eehiel temenittee._. _ _ _

Me H. WILLOUGHBY hoped the bill would be post.
paned.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON mid the Chancellor of the Ex-
eherir desired his to state that he wee is fawns of the
bWmg paned, am • mere continuance bill, sad the com-
mittee being appointed.
The motion wee then agreed to.

THE REGISTRATION ACT.
Lord J. MANNERS moved for leave to bring in a bill
to amend a net intitalad "An set for registering births,
deaths, sad marriasso in England."
Imam was given, sad the bill was subsequently brought in.

ENFRANCHISEMENT OF COPYHOLDS BILL.
Mr. AOLIONBY haring moved the third reading of
thla bill,
Mr O. STRICKLAND opposed it, and hoped that the
bill would be poittpsmed till it could he more fully discussed.
It dealt with rights of property in a moaner that could
be suctioned by that house. He mowed that the
bill should be reed a third time that day three months.
Mr. MiLIONBY said there hid been abeadaat opportu-
nity for dimming the bill on the mond reeding and in
canantiee.

TIM asseadastat was withdraws, and the bit, was read a
third bra* sad pared.

FRIENDLY SOCIETIES (No '2) (SALARIES AND
EXPENSES.
The house having gone into committee Tweed the formal
resolution providing for salaries under this bill.
The Repayment of Advances Ada Amendment (Ireland)
Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Menials of BLANDFORD brought up the Epis-
copal and Capitilariffonam Bill, which was read a trot
time, and the hammadilmsnii at one o'clock.

PAIL—Mr. P. SPA= for, with Captain Jones
'gaunt, Mr. la /We

A WWI' INDIANAN BURNED AT Sta.—The West
Indian trader David Luckie, Captain Moe, iiith a valuable
cargo, took tire at ma while on kw boogerard" from
Demerara to Loudon, and was tot* diliteped.o crew
took to thor long-boat, and numb he OM mod a the
Orinoco, about 90 miles distant, wilgo alibi a land-
ing. The fire is attributed to the ambettioa
of the coals on board.

r:

Last night the House of Commons decided by, a
considerable mvjority against Mr. Heywood's motion
for a select committee to consider the preservation of
the Crystal Palace. A fall report of the debate will
be found in another column; bat though the result
there shown was generally anticipated, many will
doubtless feel deep regret on learning that a structure
which formed so prominent and beautiful a part of an
unparalleled national display is really to peas from
the spot it has embellished. The speeches of last
night will be read with interest by thousands.
There is now a very prevalent opinion that the
Crystal Palace will, in all probability, arise anew
either in Battersea New Park, at Wimbledon Com-
mon, or in some other eligible spot near the metro-
polis.
Whilst on this subject, it may be mentioned that
the reports of the Jurors on the Great Exhibition
have been for some time in the press, and that in all
probability an early copy of the complete document
will be ready for presentation to Prince Albert to-
morrow, the let of ?slay. 'The combined reports will
form a large volume, some thousands of copies of
which are to be printed for distribution.—Daily News.