The Express.
London, England, 1862-03-12 00:00:00

GREAT YA WI( )UT 11.

Air IL STR.tCEV mini the Meretary of Sinter for War
if tt Ines tw ideation of govontortat to curry oat the
;airport of a earnvairmidanas between the Mayor of
faradrath sad tin Somotory of Stan for Mori in In"
relative to mating $ port of Greg Yanaaadh to a
Knorr Mote of dame&
Midi. C. LEWIS mid that &edifiers' of Yarmouth were
sot embraced by the Yartiltatim bum ; sad it had ant been
thoireitadvi.thia to hob& them la the vote for ammo.
cial Lubecn this year.
THu PACKET SERVICE.

la swim le Mr. BATTU,
11r. PFAL odd be preened to take the revere* esti-
nen. atm ato may 'Agnates oe Thursday, sad seen fer
the tnck•t sinks after t►.tn.
PUBLIC MONEYS. •

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lard It. MONTAGU wed—"TM is coder toot/010mo
IM riosli own the sovoirsvasiat is newt to imam of masoy
for soy poSW swim Asionisr is mow of las our voted

by parliament, as well as to Bemire the pet appropriatio• of
evi.ry pai ineut toted by parliament to ita proper account, •
committee be appointed, to be annually Dominated by Yr.
Spea..,v, for the purpose of revising all estimates or &c-
-oque. laid before parliament ; and that it he an lustre.-
tiou to the committee to report in what way the peomot
duties and powers of the Basal of Audit should be aztmedied
or changed, with a view to render such board respooeible to
parluniont alone, and the head of it not sewed in rank to
any of the peimanent officers presiding over other depart-
[omits, and also to make the present system of audit
available for the purposes of the public service ; and that it
be a further instruction to such committee to report to
this home the exact period of the financial year when it
would be desirable that the animal estimates should be

presented to parliament, so as to enable the necessary m-
amination of such estimates or accounts to be completed
sod reported upon by such committee before
this house proceeds to sanction such estimates
lor accounts by • vote of payment in supply?' H.
You'd, the great onancier of France, bad stated
is re in his that he attached the greatest importance
to this system of check, as the °illy practical and effective
MEMOS of securing the public service spiust undue eipendi-
ture in the absence of such ceintreL It was for the bones
to say whether they would quietly resign the powers which
the constitution bad given them, and so become guilty of
black dishonour towards those by whom those powers bad
been bequeathed to them. He thoeght no further argu-
ment of his wee seesseary, but be skald quote the language
of the Chases her d the Idaebegaer, who thus addressed
the house es the 18th of A.m.. 1880. Speaking of the
lamentable sad sleplosahltstate el the whole of our bad
arraegemeets, be maid. • Vacillation, uncertainty, cost-
liness, extravaipuses, iessasess, and all the vices which
can be enumerated are united in our present system ; the
money of the country is wasted, and 1 believe such are the
evil, of the system that nothing short of • revolutiom.ry
reform will ever bring them to an end." (Cheers) He
thought the end bad not proceeded to that length yet, and
that if taken in time it (mull be carried without recourse to
such an extreme remedy. Reforms must come, and they
could be accomplished by moderation, but if postponed too
long they would indeed require the cure of revolution.
The noble lord observed m conclusion that Cardinal
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Maceroui had remarked that the Engliah *braided to
boundless **Boa which nothing but the idea of liberty
could render supportable. so that in order that that might
Dot be only an idea he would sobs* hie resolution to the
house, and in doing so he would ask Hunt to recollect that
the control of the parse was the source of power, and that
the exclopier was the battle held of liberty. (Cheery.)
trir F. BARING said that if he thus presented himself
early in the debate it was to mak the house what wee the
resolution which the made lord proposed that the house
should adopt. He by no 011141111 *poled either the resolu-
tion of the noble lord or the azimeente he bed ed.
vanced in its support as ccealesive, nor did be think
It would receive the support of the beam He bed air
duly supported the amendments laid bakes the committee,
but without going through the statements of the noble
lota, he felt, although there might be biota, that he had
much exaggerated the case. In reality the resolution pro-
posed by the noble lord would throw &Smities in the way
el that which he was mist &draws of effectiad. (Hear,
bear.) The committee ea peddle monies--the oiled of
mime appointmeat wee to eeedrisigir
iLablie expenditure
Ist materely semidemd the which had been
homaght before them, and wade a mat cm the
faults which existed in the lematikal system, and what
the house and the government bad to do was to carry out
the norminendoAluus of the eowimktee, which would effect

the oldest awrght to be attained. Ii the last year two
eats al parlisment hail been weed to cam out the pro-
ws& GI the oomnottee. It soma to him that the pre-
paid et the noble lord would threw ellieulties in the way
of amine sat three primed& (Bear, hear.) Almost
every Improvement is *be -met* omits bad been brought
▪ lens peeeneeesS, nil lie We Sir James Graham,
giro we thee to ells% beseekti Use first improvement
Ishii lAA ben and and the Treasury sad the other de-
=Tmemetehrl with Iheedsl Mitten bad done their
eblipieve the gable eseseeta. (Hear, hear.)
Be adwlllmil am hail bees some delay in
eel the aseameseilleee el the committee,
the Am* yeepteed by the noble
lord veal he ieleelems AS proest they were making
= aleilie dimly wide tie noble lord proposed by his
fie GM an the woodttee wee more than they
would be gmemeds to perform. In INS they bad two com-
mittees on the public expeaditarie—osti upon the civil ser-
vice expeadhers, and he believed those committees had not
dome their wok at the mil of the wood year. The go-
vernment woe carrying out the moommeodations on the
paha, mid^ the government were committed to it, and
if the bow adopted the noble lord's mediates, then all
farther mom would be Mopped. (Hear, hem.) On
those seine be opposed the resolution.
Sir 0. BOWYER hoped the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer widd tell the 'home what had been dole by the
Treasury la wry into effect the recommendations of the
committee to weeder the board of audit more efficieet, be-
cause if the beard were to remain in its present state it
had better be got rid of altogether, seeing that it cost a great
deal of money, and afforded no reel security to the public.
Mr. PEEL observed that most of the recommeottatioes of
the Petite Monies Committee had been carried into effect,
Aber by the government or by act of parliamest. But it
wield be difficult for the committee to reeogniee their re-
gommendations is the resolutioa before the house ; for
though the week were the mime, the seas was different,
the revolution big node up of separate parts and tolaaaget,
with a total dine gad of the arm. It had no claim, there.
he., to the homed the house on the ground of authority,
bat well shod Its own write alone. He replied to the
s i by Lied H. Montagu to the system under
wtrbe palls Olgementare wee controlled, remarking
that the Islets& paths et the public mounts was audited
by the beard. mil dew 1111.0 seasons why the otherpor-
Idea °Debi be woe atethed thee by the bawd.
If the inedniennimee etei theiennernittee appointed,
the AIM amt be te the ham and the govern.
meet in their reepeuen easethetierg isectioes.
Mr. J. WHITE tiseeht the beeeibeet• growth of the
expenditure was owing to the gems aegieet of Parliament
Itself.
Mr. NEWDEGATE supported the tveolutios, the adop-
tion of wheel, he said, would be only reverting to the old
system of parlianieutary control ever the public expendi-
tare. Though the resolutioa might not be in exact accord-
apes with the recomeneodations of the committee, it would
hasten the amendments they reconirueoded.
Mr. A. SMITH thought there shield be a committee
appointed, not to supersede the functions of goverment,
but to report in what way the duties of the present board
of eadit---• body which he believed was almost solely
under the control of the Treasury—might tee abased or
extruded.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should like to know if the noble lard consulted the corn.
mittee of selection on the propriety of entrusting them with
this families?
Lord R. MONTAGU mid he had no opportunity of con-
sulting them, as the Speaker signified his view of the subject
to him only a few minutes Infers he roes to make his
motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
wanted to know that, because the committee of selection
declined the function of nomination last swim. The
other object of the noble lord's mutiou was to make a change
in the coustitution of the board of audit,. But why not
leave the matter to depend on the recommendations of the
committee no public monies' The noble lord and other
bon. members had taken up en idea of the powers of a
board of audit which was entirely erroneous. They thought
the board of audit could exercise an eificieut control on the
public expenditure. But the beard of audit had no ouch
function. It might be called a board of verification, but it
would be presumption on the part of the board °reedit to at-
tempt to exercise fur a momind any control either as to the
posiniony or extravagance of the expenditure which the
governmeut, promeding under the sanction of the house,
might think tit to follow. (Hear, bear.) As to the ',re-
prol of his hon. friend to give the board of audit •
power of committal end command over the ~,sco
verunient, it would be • delegation of power alto.
gethrr unprecedented, and in fact confer on the bawd
of audit the power which belonged to the house itself.
(Hoar.) To the principles lam' down by the ommuittee on
path, monies be corkelly adhered, but their recommenda-
tions could not be earned out in a clay. With respect to the
find lortioe of the motion, how the functions of the board
of audit were to be divided between the board of audit and
the other departments of state, especially the Treasury, he
thought the laboure and recuunneedations of the committee
would be the best guide they could have. Nothing would
be so agreeable to them as efficiency and puoctuality on the
part of the board of mita, which they wished to be carried
to the highest porsible degree. With regard to the pay-
ment into the Exehopier of the pose lauded revenue
of the clown, it stood on an entirely different footing
from the payment of the gross receipts of the ether branches
of the rev( sue, because they del not inky the landed re-
venue of the crown in their own right, sad they bad not
the more plenary power over it as they had over the others.
It was as thc labours of the committee cm public accounts
that they looked as the best "minutes and guide for the
speedy sad effectual fulfilment of what the noble lord de-
leted, sod as the government inteadied to move the reap-
p,intinent of that committee, be hoped the noble lord
would not press his motion to • vote.
sir 3. Nott'filLYYTE said there was much in the motion
of his ooide (rime! with which be mutely agreed, but after
bat had just fallen from the Chancellor of the Exchequer
he hoped his noble friend would sot think it seceseary to
divide the hula°. If, however, the government bed moved
the reeppouitment of this committee two or three weeks
ago, it would Dot have bees to have made thin
motion at all. Great good lied td from the labours
of the committee es public amounts, but they were ap-
pointed at so late • period of the manioc that they had time
to investigate the accounts of some of the departments only.
la met ei the departments it win usual to ea fee owe
numey this or absolutely required, sad in the whelks
them ma Whim 460.000 i. or 70,000 f. more Um was se-
e. The resat of their labours was that the
L. the yonst-olioe this year was Mused by 70,0001.
or MAO. He breed the gorernmeet would imleedelle •
hall be define the revere of the board of audit. The bird
of audit themelyne were not wilted with their peteeet pr-
obes. They had so power of auditing the Wee
which was aa anomaly. He thought the saliferAel=
by his noble [timid to the committee be
were too distinct and too extensive MCu=
with properly by them, and theedowe be hoped
he would sot press his wawa in • division.
He suggested that his noble friend abseil mil aseelled