The Express.
London, England, 1852-10-05 00:00:00

E EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 5, 1852.

THE WINE DUTIES.

(them ass belie Moue.)
Last night's Globe contains an article on the Wine
Duties' Committee and their labours, in which we
find so much to agree with, that we are reluctant to
take exception to any part of it. Nevertheless we
are bound in justice to that Committee to say, that
our contemporary has very much miss onceived the
object to which their labours were directed, and that
his appreciation of the results of them labours is
proportionally inaccurate. The Committee was
appointed for the single purpose of " inquiring into
the revenue derived from the import duties on
wince." The ceder of reference was thus limited,
out of deference to the jealous scruples of Mr. Dos-
RA ELI and his immediate predevoesor, and the Coin-
mittee had no power to exceed it. The greater
credit is therefore due to the ingenuity and perse-
verance of the Free-traders on the Committee, in
_

introducing collaterally, and by indirect means, a
course of examination which has resulted in enlarg-
ing the sphere of information almost to the extent
which our contemporary desiderates.
Without desiring to overrate the personal action
of Monsieur BoNAPARTE in the present government
of France, or the durability of the constitution under
which he exercises it, the Globe cannot but acknow-
ledge that the following incident is not undeserving
of a large share of the public attention at the pre-
sent moment. We find the Baron Du CLUZEAV DE
CLERANT, one of the moat extensive winegrowers
of the Dordogne, giving evidence to the follow-
ing effect (Q. 6,631-4, 6,839, 6,694, 6,704-5,
6,720-2):
I read in the public papers that Mr. Aostay had made a
motion for the purpose of reducing the duties on Frasels
wines, and I gave notice to several of my neighbours,
who are also great producers of wine; and those gintletuen
have been very often, not in distress, but in difficulty. to
have the wine sold; and they said, Since you know the
President, go and see him on this question, and perhaps
something may be done, Inc we sell oar wince with great
difficulty, wed. if in England the duties were reduced, Pa'
hope it would be very useful for us." So I went to Paris,
and saw the Prandial, on the 17th of last month (of May),
and bid • very long private audience with him, sad 1
found him very anxious on the subject, and he said " he
should have the greatest desire also to see the measure carried,
but he doubted whether it might be." He said "he wee
afraid the lieglish 'overarm rat might make very high de-
l:lends (or reaprecity. He hoped, however, he might sa-
tie): them on seine points ; and he expressed his great
anxiety and desire that the measure in parliament for the
import of Inn:eh-grown wines into England should by car-
ried." Then lie desired me to KY the Miniatir fur Foreign
Affairs, M. le Comte de Target. I saw him two days beffire
leaving Paris. He said the President bad mentioned the
affair to hiss, and he had desired him to see if anything could
be done that would hides. the English whale to move that
measure. ConsteTurgot said he had not yet had time to enter
into the affair deeply ; but, however, he had • conversation
with M. Greterin on the subject ; and had told M. Greterin
to study the matter, end he said, We must look to what
has been done by Mr. Porter, and the concessions the Go-
vernment were disposed to makeske at that time."
The BARON goes on to tell us that "tho prejudices
against Free-trade are diminishing in Franco very
greatly indeed;" that "the great success of our ex-
periment has produced a very great sensation both
in his nation and in his government ;" that " our
example has been useful in producing that feeling,"
and that " he thinks the French government would,
like us, prefer doing it by legislation, and not by
treaty. They are much afraid, says he, "in France
of seeing a new edition of Mr. PORTER coming over,
and thee° things never come to a decision. It is
almost impossible to come to the end of a treaty of
that kind.

We applaud the good sense of " them in France" ;
sincerely nusting that they will not measure our zeal
lee the good cause which they have made thcir ex-
ample by the sorry standard of the present occu-
pants of the Boards of Trade and Treasury. When
the people of England think fit, the concession shall
be made to sound policy and .justice, and neither the
DISRAELI SOY the DEIST shall have power to arrest
it. The agitation has already commenced. Its first
fruits, in the shape of an admirable digest of the two
blue books presented by Mr. ANSTEVS committee,
are before us. From the title-page of the digest
we . gather that Mr. CYRUS REDDING, its ex-
perienced compiler, has been set in motion
by an " Association of merchants for the
reduction of the wine duties," another Free Trade
League, established in this capital since the dissolu-
tion of parliament. May their endeavours be suc-
cessful.

1 nation, la

ted the value of the native oomi

and minidiictureeihenoi,izelic:;" in other words,
had been a moat valuable branch of commerce indeed. I
Then cams the Methuen Treat y of 1703—" the'
wicked Methuen Treaty "—as Mr. PORT= in his
evidence justly styles it ; and further imposts on all
wines, and new differential imposts on the wines
of France. As the trade languished, taxation
went on. In 1787 Mr. Pin was obliged to
interfere, for the duties then were indeed enormous—
French wines paid from 931. to 981. the tun!
German wines paid 621. and 67..; nay, even the fa-
voured wines of Portugal were taxed at 471. and 611.
the ton. The trade at that time was almost
.gone.
Thirty•three thousand pipes of every description
were all oar imports for the year 1780, including miles
re-exported for the colonies, and all other consign-
ments se transit's. Mr. Pitt, albeit hampered b
the Methuen treaty, reduced the duties on French
wines to less than half their present amount; that
is to say, to 291. and Mi. the tun ; on German wines,
to 334 and 371. ' • and on Peninsular wines to 191.
and 221. ; and the effect was electrical. The trade

revivedLthe consumption increased—the revenue
rose from 800,0001., in 1780, to 1,148,76.51. in 1702.
Aud then came the war with France, and with it a
return to war taxes, and a consumption proportion-
' ably diminished. From that time to the present
the era of high duties and restricted trade has, with
some very trilling changes, continued. Indeed, the
only noticeable distinction, between the wine duties
of the war and those of the present period, consists in
the abolition of the Methuen Treaty, and the uni-
formity of the tax. But the cheap winesof France,
of Germany, sad of the Peninsula are quite as effec-
tually excluded by the present duty, varying from
300 to 000 per cent. upon their coat, as by the old
duties of 1,000 per cent. Under the existing duty
the trade languishes as if it were still under the
heavy taxation of the war. The melancholy but
important proofs of this statement are detailed in
the valuable tables appended to the wine duties
report, and to them we refer our readers.
With these facts before us, can we wonder at the
jealousies—frequently breaking forth into violent and
long enduring hostilities—which, during upwards of a
century and a half, have divided Great Britain from
her nearest neighbour and most natural ally ? Com-
merce is the pledge and bond of peace amongst
nations. Left to itself, and untortured by
the vexations regulations of governments, com-
merce cannot but 'weeper ; and peace mast
Sourish in her train. But this great and easy truth
has been ignored in the practice of statecraft, and
the multi hare been answerable. Instead of the
blessings of commerce, we have been vexed with the
auspicious tyranny of restrictions and monopolies,
and the friendship of nations has been supplanted
by the sense of mutual ill-will and injury. But, if our
ancestors were mainly blameable for the long breach
of intercourse; let us do ourselves the justice to say
that the better feeling, which now begins everywhere
to show itself, arose with us, and that it is we who
have set the example, which our ancient rivals and
sometime foes are now following, of the abolition
of unworthy and unwise restraints on intercourse.
In our commerce with France we shall find our best
guarantee of peace in the Old World, even as our
commerce with America has ensured it n the New.

Reverting to the incident narrated by the Baron
DO CLUZZAU DE Ct.zaArr, we will say that
there is nothing in the Comte DB Tuaoor's
ooquetterie, about reciprocity and Mr. rorrines
draft flinty of 1840, which should alarm or die-
)... There will be no nth conditions asked
oa either ride; and yet on both sides com-
merce will receive simultantosely its emancipation.
We are min of this - not only bemuse, as we learn
from the Baron, the French people, and even their
=r are very much of Um lame mind with
~t. or to the worthlessness of such depute.
gismo in gesprol—hut ales helium we know
that, in the present butane they are from
dads very Wore tespraditiabia. The expo-
Anent was made in 1840, and that able public
lament, the late Mr. Porroca, wee chosen to
geeing it. It failed : and no minister has since then
mewed to mew it. What the French thought of
ft we WM taco ; Mr. Poe m's opinion remains to
be shileft In Ida evidence of the 17th May, 1862
—his Jag irteeLdwe lament to add, to the great
eons which seised No long and so faithfully
—Kr. Poet= says (Q. 3,880-1) :
Is darling Ida oar .we tent I wadi river aak it
heats estaramst wadi do it. 1 riot* ne that whisk I
thought tor the burn ialaaalla sf Mb aastry, sad la
thne
then re de the boa lira they amid kw the immune ettheir
ova esentry. If .Amami they emit an rodeo, their
duties On might dad dirk aim rig tat at use, sad that
they wield be asadassi by who of Mawr atentries, and
thereby that ~wsrsei be onwpillid by the hen of them.
am= se due dm*
Is fest, es Pir=i elsewhere remarks (Q.
41110) the prepaid of .1840 was " sly a pis-oiler
osier the end misting state of thing*," and ore
dish. "he the pima condition, woald be very un-
wise and undlesitable." We rejoice to add that it is
me, ea 31. DI TIMM will speedily
Misiliganbresseiasly looks into the matter. It to
the *ling& of ear conviction on this point that
ammo us to regard, without misgiving, thaw last
Yet symptom of a niggard hankering after real-
=Vay more, to hall them as so many decided
as of the universal presence of the spirit of
Free-trade.
But it is not enough to hare stimulated France by
what we have dame miler that inflame, if we now
forsake its emit& Whither Frame bessele• Free-
Ueda or semi Protestienistowt bedew is PM
and hems% vini to deeds, the utilised the
snesossessniapsitiss efenrenniesinesree, fallow
ghee tradeffdts purest bet a small pine. IR
dermas ind Nobly on wittiiintee to euhepe
it to an set moot inaggissiebh dos then
be a inedhs, trtbs we ought to &ay Mei we
mai mem gentannent, we whose action we
rime as met at control, shell think fit to open new
shenesis of trade to the inthelsy of its own orelleste ?

For let it never be forgeblealbst.if our wine trade
languishes, the fault ie with esnelves. Down to
the period of the Biro:odes of 11106, it was lightly
miens. and fairly taxed, and it was fn die
time of CVARLEs n., with a se glee mu.
lions, this country alone seassmadhnin=
thousand pipes of wine, of bray t
were French. In 1861, the pastille of Cheat
Britain and relatAasseatedt to searly tesstrayen
millions and a aid the total seamapties of
wine in the United Kingdom was has thus ilk
thousand pipes, sad of theme little mere than three
thousand five handfed were French. At the pte-
sent period there is a gamed duty on all wines,
and it IS amused at a luxury rate. At the
former period, the objectionable system of differential
duties according to nationality of export or growth
obtained, and the rates were various: bat they were
all very low ; wine being then ocasiderad to be, what
it is, one of the necessaries of lib. In 1852 we tax
the common wines of the middle sod labouring
classes, at the same rate with the rich man's Tobay
and Johannisberg ; that is to any, at 661. the tat;
but is 1666 and 1681 the highest duties paid upon
the wines of any country did not amount to 121. the
tun, and in some eases were little more than half that
rate. la 1686 the duties ware doubled. In 1692
feet ewe increased by 60 per cent. In 16966, for the
ea Ft%there was imposed a differential duty
wines, swelling the amount to 491. sad
601. the tau. The avowed pupated this imposition
was to sulbsuish that brawls of commerce t—whith,
as we learn AVM • Protectionist statute of the day,
dieentombed by Mr. Anwar, and presented is hie
minute, " bad mach exhausted the treasure of this

TREATMENT OF PATIENTS IN

Minoru or PROCYZDINOII taken at the office of the
Metropolitan Coturniaaionora in Lunacy, 19, New-stnet,
Spring gardens, July 24,1861. Tho Earle!' 811AVIESSUHY,
in the chair.

ADJOURNED INQUIRY AS TO THE MANAGEMENT
AND TREATMENT OF FEMALE PATIENTS.
JOHN 00L1 ELM surgeon, called; and, hating been
sworn, is examined by the Comsaimioners as follows
Where do you reside?—At 308, Allmay.road, Camber-
well.

Do you remember seeing Mile Ann Morey upon the
28th day of December, hi the year 16601—Yea.
Do you recollect examining her, and then signing a ter-
liar-ate /—Yes.

Is what state was she when you saw her P—She was in a
state of eseemini lowness ; in fact, she was in as low a con-
dition of health, that I appended a certificate to the paper
I signed, stating as much to the medical man at Northamp-
ton where she was to be psaned on to ; in fact, so bail was
her condition of health that I questoned, if she undertook
the journey, whether she would survive it.
When did you sce beri—At Jessamine Cottage, Pah-
-1 street, ClialtlTScil.
Vas it at her father's house ?—lt was at the house of •
relation, a Mrs. Morley, I think her grandmother by the
second marriage ; but I am not certain of the nature of the
relationship.
Hal you ever seen Mite Morley before ?—I had seen her
mace before, upon the Gth of October, upon a Sunday morn-
ing, when I also signed for her to go into Bethlehem.
In what state was she when you signed the paper for her
to go into the Bethlehem Hospital ?-Bhe was in a very im-
paired state of bodily health, and appeared to me to suf-
fering from a description of low fever; she was in anything
but a state of health.

What was the state of her bodily health when she came
out ?—When she went inks Bethlehem, I did not apprehend
but that she might be restored both mentally and bodily,
but when I saw her upon the second oceasma. she was
very much depressed, and I doubted her living twenty-
four Noun.

Did you see her during the time she was in Beth:sham ?
—Nut et all.

Have you anv note of the state in which she was bane
she went into llcthlehent ?—I have no note whatever; but
I have a perfect recollection of her condition of health, both
before she went to and after she left Bethlehem.

Did you make any examination of her person when she
came out I—No, I not. The time allowed was so ex-
ceedingly short. She was ready dressel and prepared for
her journey to Northamptcu, so that I really had not an
opportunity; and she not being tu.der my medical core,
OT mended to me, I did not think it exactly julcious to
do so. . .

Did you Ice any marks of rcratches or bruins upon her
body ?—No, but she made a complaint that she bad a sore
upon her side, u I have stated an that paper. It wrs re-
ported to me by the family that there were sores about her,
bet I did not see them myself.
Did they make a report at the time ?—They did not; she
did herself.
What complaint did she make?—That she had a sore on
her side, but it was positively seen by the servant in the
house and her own family.
Did she tell how it had been caused ?—No, she did not.
Do you remember fixing this marginal note : " Ann Mor-
ley is in a very critical state of health ? "—Certainly, I do ;
that is the note to which I refer, when they first mentioned
her ease to me about the reception into Northampton
Asylum.
Did you form a notion yourself as to the cause of the low
state of health in which sho was ?—No, she was a per-
fect stranger to me. The first occasion of my 'nettle
her was when she went into Bethlehem, and the second
was when she came out. I had never seen her ex-
cept on the Sunday when I signed the crrtificate, and,
also, upon the 28th of December, when she was removed.
Thine are the only two occasions upon which I bad
seen her. _ _

—Did the tell you anything about her treatment ?—No, she
did not.

DOI she complain to you ?—No ; she wu so very taciturn
that I 63d great difficulty in getting her to speak; she was
so low, that she seemed very couch disinclined to open her
mouth at all. It wee a completely forced conversation that
I had with her. . . . . --

When she stated that she had a sore upon her body, did
you snake any inquiry upon the subject to ascertain the ca-
tgut of it P—l mentioned, to her family up stairs and said,
She complains of having a sore place; shall I examine
her, or what will you do?" I remember I strongly per-
suaded them not to have her removed, and, indeed, I pro-
posed that she should have a private lodging, or some
accommodation in the house of her relative, where she
might stop a few days, so that I could see the upshot of the
ease ; but being dressed, and on the eve of &journey, her
family were determined that she should be removed that
I very day, so that I thought I should be standing in the way
of that object by proposing any delay.
Did there appear to you to be any material difference in
her bodily weation between the first and second time you
saw her ?-011, unquestionably ; I observed that at my first
iaterview • I siel bays taken her as a casual, common
nig I 111111111141 have hoped to have laved both her
=MIL Hoe condiuon previously to her being re-
mired Ws Bsdasiwat was anything but good, but it was
not so bad but what it might be amended.

This was &beat a month or two before ?—I think one was
the 6th of Osisier sod the other on the 28th of December ;
that was the emit Interval. _ _

Hare you a paper or memorandum that you wish to hand
in t—l have ben the report of the family ;I do not know
whether it is mailarial I should give it in.
When did yes make that memorandum 7—This morn-
ing. That Is a atelimment from the mouth of her relatire,
the elder Km. Ka7• She stated to me certain facts, bat
I mount maim diem

When did y.. bass that paper up I—l drew it up this
morning.
Whoa AM on are Mn. Morley I—l had an interview
with the elder Mrs. Morley, a lady eighty years of age,
yesterday.
In when berm was It P—la her own : Jessamine Cot-
tage Ukase talker. From a conversation I had with the
tamly, k await that Ann Morley is a very irritable and
way nosamtartiable person to live Inds, that once, when she
was at Lowastaffe, in Suffolk, she had attempted two or
tires times te tbrom herself into the sea, and oneo actu-
ally threw \smelt tram the window. Those are the re-
ports made Is me by the family, and that paper contains
points that I barn tseted from her friends. She is of a
peculiar dispuidee, which renders her not an eligible per-
son to nide with, and also that she hal made there at-
tempts ups. ►ee life.
You knew her when she weal resident at Bethlehem ?
Yes. _ _ _

Did you draw any coachman as to the mode of treatment
she had experieaced while she was there f—l could not do
that. I was not aware of any treatment that had been pur-
sued. I certainly found her in a different condition when
she came out from what she was when she went in.

The following ars the lotion referred to:
o Once of Commissionen in Lunacy,
" 19, New-street, Spring•gardens,
" 9111 of May, ISM.
" Dear Silo—Yon will oblige the Commissioners in Lu-
nacy by favouring them with a statement of the present
condition. mental and bodily, of Miss Ann Motley, with
any particulars which you may deem material, relative to
her state upon admission, and pubes quest magma.
(Signed! " It. W. S. Lrrwinog, Sec.
" To Dr. Nesbitt, Medical Superintendent,
" Northampton Hospital."
" Hospital fur the hum., Northampton, May 11.
" Dear Sir,—Hid Ann Morley's mental state is that re
rationality, propriety, and decorum, and her toddy health
is completely re•esteldished. Iler c .ntinuenee here is now
more a matter of prudence and convenience than of neces-
sity, but she will cc re;:ily leave us neat month.
" Herstate, upon e 'a.iieion, was most slept amble, with an
attenuated frame ; he: system was so trice 'tied that she
was unable to sit u;.. She had prolapses of the uterus and
slue, with great 0111C1114 discharges, and suffered severely
from tenesmus. Her lower extremities w ..te livid and
edematous, and their motion paralysed. 0.. the hips and
mitre were a great mtny ebrasions of the surfaer, varying
in Site horn a millet steel to a split pea. She bed WU, on
different pens of her body, coppeloculoured eruptions; she
was quite unconscious of the calls of nature, and her urine
and taws passed order her.
"The treaters nt pursued was, in the first Mice, to give
her a comfortable Led, and to attend to her infirmities by
frequent changes of linen. Morphia, the hydriodate of
potato, aid the lot ei applit atiun of oak hark decoction, with
generous diet, en Ala her to get up VS the curse of three
went,,, owl, from that time to this, her course has been one
of progressere improremeol. Sits was always a quiet
patient, and grateful for attention, and after one month's
residence, all her faulty habits entirely left her. lier
mental state was chit fly characterised by delusiens of a re-
ligious c 'Cure. She thought she was a lost aped wretched
woman, and that she eh add never die. Thus limiting
myself strictly to the scope of your inquiries,
" I am, dear sir, yours faithfully,
" R. W. S. Lutwidge, lie l." " V. A. NCSUITT.
" Odin of Commissioners in Lunacy,
Ile, New eitrect, spring-gardens,
13th of May, 1841.
" Dear Sir,—The Commissioner; In Lunacy desire me to
thank you tar the infermation which you have furnished,
in anew( r to their Inquiry respecting Miss Ann Morley.
You will further oblige them by stating to what cause were
the atiresiohe and sores to widen you refer, attributable. I
am to request the fee-ur of are ply by return of poet.
(Signed" It. W. S. Lt rwriiee, Sec.
" To Dr. Nesbitt, Northampton Asylum.'
" Hospital for the Insane, Northampton,
May 14, l$M.
" Dear Sir,—As the comini.sioners have asked for my
opinion of the muse of abrasions and FO:ea ore the lieuy of
Mese leen Morley, I have nu longer any hesitation in stating
that such appearances were refer ihle to a, glen.
The patient has uoiform'y complained of the treatment
to which she was subjected in Bethlehem Hospital, that
she hail nothing but straw to lie upon, and diet there wen
no attempt to interpose any kind of protection between her
body and the straw, that it hurt her mach, mid that
she had no glothes even to cover her. She descriheil her
whale treatment to hare been' harsh and tisane,' and the
recollectian of it to inspire her with horror ; that the
nums were in the habit of giving her nicknames, derived
either from the colour cf her skin or from her halide, and
that they treated her like a brute.
" As the patient is remarkable for truthfulness, &adman
desirous of burying in oblivion that part of her life spent in
Bethlehem, I cannot arrive at any other emelt:shin than
that the abrasions were referable to the straw, which, in
both its wet and dry state, would proslueean irritation of the
surface exactly calcultecil to lead to a solution of continu-
ity in a bedridden patient, anti in connection with her want
of clean linen.
" During the time she has been under my care, she has
never evinced any picking propensities.
" I arn, dear air, yours feithfully,
" P. A. Nesetrr.

From that did you conclude she had been ill treated ?-1
could not do that; it might have been from natural cause..
Was the sister of Ann Morley present when you exa-
mined her?—Upon the first occasion ?
No, after she left Bethlehem ?—No; I do not think she
was in the house at the time I called. I was perfectly
alone ; the servant announced my visit, and I went into
her room.
By whom had you been called in 7—By the sister and
by the grandmother, if I may call her so, the eider Mn.
Morley.
Did you know anything at the time as to her having been
well or ill treated ?—No, not the least. lam ignorant why
they removed her from Bethlehem; I had no information
upon that point. I was merely told to go and certify for
her admission into the Northampton Asylum. I have a
memorandum of certain theta, and one of the points stated
is that she waa very mach depressed, and that I did not
think she would survive the journey.
You signed the certificate upon her going into Bethlehem ?
—Yes.
Wes there anything particular, or out of the common
way, in the certificate which you made on that occasion ?
Did you make any note do not recollect that I did.
I thought the case by no means a strong case for a lunatic
asylum.
The witness withdrew.
P. IL Naserrr, M.D..called, and, having beta sworn, is
examined by he Commissioners as follows :
Did you receive Mies Morley into the Northampton
Asylum t—l did.
When t—l received her upon the 29th of December.
Have you made a note of the state of bodily health in
which she was when eh* arrived 2—Yes; I have commu-
nicated, at the request of the Commissioners iu Lunacy,
the condition in which she was when she was received.
She was in an extremely feeble condition. Her legs were
codemataus; she had prolopaus of the uterus and anus;
she was bed-ridden, and she had various sores about her
person. Moreover, her hair will very much matted and
entangled, and there was a great number of vermin in her
heed.
What had been the interval between her gnittiag Beth-
lehem Hospital and her coming to the Northampton Asy-
lum ?—I do not know—about 21 or 48 hours, some suck
period as that.
Upon what day did she arrive ?—Upon the 29th of De-
comber she came to us. _ _

IL W. 8. Lutwidge, E'q."
Jutir 10.

Purr' NORTNALL Lernts, F.sq., one of the Gover-
nors of Bethlehem Hospital, called in and having been
sworn, is examined as follows by the Commissioners;
How hug have you held the ottice of Governor ?—Al,unt
see; rite( c years.
During the time yen have been Governor have you seen
many things that you think require amendment, and might
Le amended meet tratelisially for Bethlehem hospital '—
During that time I have tAisen considerable interest in the
management of the hospital generally. It is connected with
another, Bridewell ; I take i.lso considerable interest in
that; and I have, from time to time, suggested various
alterations at Bethlehem, with respect to the building
itself, end the treatment of patients, which have been
adopted; but I std. c -41,:eler it open to amendment in
several matters.

Have you ever framed any plan or scheme for improving
the prevent system of management or oupervis.on of the
huartal consider the medical staff of the hospital is
bard]: on that footing which it deserves. I have long been
of opinion, that a medical officer to be an efficient officer act
a 'meat:: asylum. ought to be a resident officer, and that
the visiting physician., havii.g the control of the pati-nts,
not being resident, are hardly able, whatever may be their
desire, to be 'Hien nt medical officers; because I consider
that direct medical treatmvut forms but • small portion of
the treatment in a lunatic hospital; that in the morel treat-
ment must be placed the greatest confidence ; and that can
only to properly superintended by a resident medical officer.
Is it your opinion, that phy..icians coming occasionally to
the hospital, can give hut little individual attention to the
several patients ?-1 think it is almost impossible, whatever
may i.e their desire, to give much valuable attention ; they
only see through the eyes of the resident medical officer,
and bear through his tam Ae..d another great disadvantage
that appears to me is, tt it divides the responsibility; tee
actual responsibility rests with the superior officer, the
physician, who has the least means of beteg really efficient.
Supposing it to be a gaol system to have • superintend-
ing resident physician, du you think it desirable to have
two ?—No, I do not.
. . . _

Would it not be better to have the who;c time of one ?
Certainly, I think it would ; usumieg that the number in
the hospital is not too large for the attendance of one. 1
object decidedly to the present attendance by the physi-
cians at Bethlehem, sometimes of one, and sometimes of
bath. Formerly the aft-ndance used to be only twice 4
week, but the committe, obtained:in increase of these visits
to fear times ; still our physicians take patients alter-
nate weeks, and each physician never interferes with the
other physician's pati,nte, therefore. although there is the
attendance of a physician daily at Bethlehem, the patients
are not visited daily ; for instance, Dr. Monro's patients
are only visited when he attends, and Sir Alexander Altai-
son's in the same way when be attends.
Your notion would be to increase the resident medical
staff ?—I think in the present state of Bethlehem, it would
be almost desirable to have au additional resident medical
officer, and to diminish the control of the physicians.
The consequence of that would be, that the resident
medical officer then would have more rower than be now
has I—More power than he has theoretically; but practi-
cally our medical officer has the whole power.
Does the treasurer never interfere with him I—The
treasurer does not interfere with the medical treatment of
patients.
Did you never hear of the treasurer interfering between
the medical officer and the matron, and assigning to the
matron the power of class.deation and distribution of
female patients, quite irrespective of the medical Aimee
anybody else I—Yee, I have beard of that. There have
been considerable jealousies and differences among tae
officers and matron ; and. perhaps, for the purpose of keep-
ing peace and quietness, and feeling that the classification
of female patients was a zu..t.er in which the matron could
give judicious advice. he slit se. I apprehend that was not
relieving her entirely from the control of the medical
officer,—it might be the resident medical officer, but still
she was under the general control of ehe physians.
If there were a roi lent medical edlccr to superintend,
would you give him the absolute power ?-1 would give
the resident medical offieer Use control cf both aides, male
and female.
Not allowlw the matran to be independent of the medi-
cal officer ?—Clearly not.
What time do the visiting physicians devote to the in.
spectian of the establishment I—Sir Alexander Monition
devotes a considerable portien of his thee : Dr. Memo, a
very short time, as it ap: ears to me, and I think not by any
means sufficient.

Did you make a note of that at the time ?—I did.
Did you, upon that, draw any rionclasion as to the
treatment she must have experienced in Bethlehem Hos-
pital I—lt appeased to me as if she had been neglected
somewhere.

Do you think the coaution of vermin wu the result of
neglat I—Yes, even if I could have put a different inter-
pretation an the character of the sores.
Did the state of her body exhibit any evidences of
should say so.
IHeeribe in what respect thick the sores which
witnessed were the result of her having lain upon a bed of
strew, and I think the vermin in the head was the conse-
woes of not having her head attended to.
The question refers more particularly to the state of her
body?—Then were three or four sores of a large deacrip•
ties, about the sine of balf-a crown, and upon the hips, her
beck, and her heel; there was a number of small abrasion.,
wet perhaps larger thaw a split pea, in:different parts, which
appeared to me to be the result of her lying naked on straw
era warm bed.

An time two lettere which you received from this office
awl your replies thereto ?—Yes.
At the contents of thew letter, written by yon, true ?
--Yes.
I Rave you scything to add to those letters t—No.

Are they paid by fixed salaries ?—Tes ; Dr. Mono's at-
tendance has been mad, by roe the subject of complaint lie
stated in his report (wh:oh 1 belive is before the honourable
commissioners), that his daily attendance occupied about
an hoer, or from an tour and a quarter to an hour and a
half. I believe it is nat more extended now, and that time
is utterly inadequate foe any physician properly to superin-
tend the number of patients be has. It is not as if his pa-
tients were confined in one ward ; they aro spread over
every part of the bospit
And all recent :sue ?—They ara not all recent cues,—
about 200. At all event., if they are not new cases, I put
it strongly, in all chronic eases, that a physician havam
charge of a hospital cannot, in my cosinion, discharge his
duty in anything like a daily visit of an' hour and a half.
It is not daily I—Est:l if it were daily.
The consequence is, that the visits o: tt ere physicians are
not only hasty, but imperfect; they do not see and speak
to the patients as they ought to do F—lt is quite impossible;
and a short time &Relit. Macro's v wire always at the
hour of dinner- 1 made that It Slatkit • of coluOftipt. sail
threatened, unless it was slte:• I, thoit. 1 w ould bring it 'be-
fore the govensors publi' lc. awl a r was made that
it should be ahem,. It app. iresl to me, thut the patients
when all collected at dincer...:.s least of all the proper
time to ascertain any peculiar delusions under which they
were labouring, and to have proper communication with
_ _

Perhaps there was less 1;t1-our in having them ail col-
lected ?—Exactly ro ; I am baund to say, as a governor,
that I sin not satistf2d with the medical treatmcnt ; it is of
the most slovenly character.
As a governor, have Tot had your attention brought to
the two eases of Miss Morley and Miss Myron ?—Miss Mor-
ley's case was not brought berare the governors except upon
a communication which we had from this honourable board
through Mr. Lutwidge ; I was not aware of it till thin.
Miss Hymn's case I was aware of.
lives you been abler to institute :try inquirnto Miss
Morley's am upon the art immix the people; The go-
vernors did not think proper to do so; inasmuch as it was
under tbe consideration of this they determined to
leave it satire!, in the hands of the hoard, and to offer
every facility in their power to furtli-r the investigstion.
Did awry examine into Mn, HT. in's ease ?—fhey did.
Mr. H the father. attended with his witnesses; he was
Wowed M sassing them, and no to examine every wet-