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1811111 CHURCH

Mr. ST►FFORD, on Tuesday, nade an appeal to Mr.
Mia!l, with reference to his motion respecting the
temporalities of the Irish Church, not to bring for-
ward a subject calculated to awaken bitter feelings
in Ireland on the eve of a national rejoicing. He
moved that the house do adjourn.
Mr MULL complained of a want of courtesy on
the part of Mr. Stafford, in not giving him notice
of this intimation, and deelined to postpone his
motion.

Mr. STLTIPORD ultimately withdrew his motion for
adjournment, when
On the motion of Mr. G. A. HAmirrox, the bth
article of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland,
embodied in the Act of Union, having been read by
the Clerk,
Mr. Mum moved a resolution pledging the house
to consider in committee the temporalities of the
Irish Church, and other pecnniary provisions make
by law for religious teaching and worship in Ireland.
Hs maintained that endowment was utterly inappli-
cable to the present rendition and religious feelings
of the country; it was a policy which must be re
traced, and, as indiscriminate endowment was im-
practicable, an impartial system of disendowment
should be adopted, combined with the religious
equality of all sects in Ireland,—a remedy, he
thought, not more violent than the disease. For any
revenues which might be disengaged from their
present afplication by his proposal, he suggested as
an appropriate employment the completion of drain-
age works, the construction of roads and harbours,
and other purposes of practical utility.
Mr. ICias defended the Regium Donum t, the
Irish Presbyterians, and opposed the motion, which
he contended would leave the Irish Church depen-
dent upon the voluntary principle.
Mr. LINDSAY supported the motion, and asserted
that nntier the voluntary system ample provision had
been mean for religious purposes in Scotland.
Mr. Ntvroteste reprobated a proposition which,
be said, must have one of two issues, either to
disendow the Established Church in Ireland, or to
admit at other meta to an equal share in the endow-
ment.

Mr. POLLARD URQUHART declared tha► the resu't
of the inconsistencies Which had characterised the
ecclesiastical p they of successive Governments, and
e.speoially Whig Governments, in Ireland had been
to leave a mass of unreconciled anomalies and un-
reformed abuses, fa which there was no remedy but
Some sweeping measure of equalisation.
Mr. G. A. Haitwrox maintained the indefeasible
claim of the Irish Church to all its present tempo.
ralities, which, he argued, bad been secured to it by
thn Act of Union. He insistecl that the motion was
a violation of Art. 15 of the Act of Union.
Mr. W. J. Fox argued that the State possessed
the full right to deal with ecclesiastical endowments
according to the dictates -of un enlarged expediency.
Mr. Stravroan eomplained that the debate on a
subject of such importance should have proceeded
so long without any expression of opinion from the
Tresses, bench.

Mr. HADTIELD Supported the motion.
Mr. NAPIER condemned it, as perpetrating an act
of confiscation upon the Irish Church property, and
reviving the religious feuds whieh had already
proved so detrimental to the peace and prosperity of
Iralana.

Lord PALIERSTON deprecated the introduction of
polemical controversy amidst questions which bore
principally a political significance. As regarded the
practical consequences of the motion before the
house, he remarked that the Irish Church temporali-
ties were secured by a formal article of the Act of
Union, and could not be diverted from their original
purpose without violating the pledze then entered
Lite by the Imperial Government. With this careful
performance of the promise relative to the endow.•
mints of the Established Church in Ireland, he
admitted the perfect right of the Legislature to deal
with the Church itself. The question raised by Mr.
Miall, he observed, was not limited to the Irish
Establishment. If his proposition were accepted it
would affect the existence of an Established Church
in every section of the United Kingdom, and render
rnactically impossible the recognition of any State
t Aigion. Believing that the maintenance of an ec-
clesiastical establishment was essential to the well-
being of the country, the noble lord could not con-
cur in the resolution proposed for adoption, and
objected particularly to the secular purposes to which
it was proposed to divert the funds withdrawn from
the endowments of the Church.
Mr. J. MAociezoort supported the motion.
he house then divided—
Por Mr..lstiell's resolution 63
Against lB.l-70

Tilt PREBB.

TRILLEE AND ETLIARNEY SAVINGS NANtI4.

Captain D. O'Cowitzu., on Tuesday, moved the
following resolution :

That this house will resolve itself into a committee to
consider an address to her Majesty, preying that she will
be graciously pleased to extend the same measure of relief
to the depositors in the late Tralee and Killarney Savings-
banks as has been already extended to the depositors in the
late Cuffe-street Savings-bank.
It was universally believed in Ireland that the
savings banks had Government security; and it was
notorious that the Government used the money and
interfered in the management. He should be pro-
bably told that the Government had no legal
responsibility, and this might be so, but he thought
it clear that a moral responsibility attached to them.
Viscount CASTLEROSSE seconded the motion. He
trusted the Government would introduce a measure
for amending the laws relating to savings-banks,
and that the disastrous consequences which ensued
from these failures might never again occur.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the case
here referred to took place in 1848. There was no
ground whatever for maintaining that any legal re-
sponsibility devolved upon the Government for the
default of the managers of savings banks ; and the
only question vas whether any moral responsibility
rested upon the Government. That moral responsi-
bility in this case had been already negatived by a
competent committee composed of ten members,
who were by no means opposed to the reasonable
claims of the depositors. It seemed to him, there-
fore, impossible that they could at this day go back
from that decision, and reinvestigate a case which
°centred seven years ago; still less was it possible to
hold out any hope on the part of the Government
that any vote would be proposed in aid of these two
banks. At the same time he fully admitted that the
case of the depositors in those banks was a very
painful one, and he could only regret that it was im-
possible for him to offer anything more than that
sympathy which such a case always excited.
Mr. VANCE moved the adjournment of the debate,
which was negatived by a majority of 75, when the
house divided on the main question, and rejected the
motion by a majority of 15-54 to 39.

Tit CASE UT UR. POLLOK.
Sir M. STEWART, on Tuesday, called the attention
of the house to the petition of Mr. Allan Pollok,
against whom most serious accusations were abroad
of cruelty and ill-treatment of his Irish tenants :

The truth of the matter was that Mr. Pollok, in Decem-
ber, l8:53, had purchased two estates out of the Encum-
bered Estates Court in different parts of Gelway, and also
an estate called the Qnornborough West estate. Upon
the parohase of this latter estate he had proposed to the
tenants to give up possession; and they all, with the ex-
ception of nine, agreed to do so upon payment of compen-
sation. Those nine who refused to give up possession
remained upon the estate, and they were now all there,
with the exception of two who had voluntarily removed.
( Hear, hear.) With respect to the estates in Galway, the
advertisement issued by the court stated that there were no
leases in existence; that the tenancies were from year to
year; and that the purchasers would, therefore, be able to
settle the property as they might think to be of the greatest
advantage to themselves. Mr. Pollok, upon purchasing
these estates, endeavoured to make the same arrangements
with the tenants which he had done with those on the other
estate. At first they consented to give up possession, but
they afterwards, for some reason, refused to do se. He
therefore adopted legal proceedings to obtain possession,
hut. from some technical informality, those proceedings
failed, and the tenants remained, and they still were in
possession of the land.

The hon. member for Wexford had slid that the
tenants had been exterminated and the land turned
into pasture ground. So far from this being the
case, Sir Michael Stewart declared that his friend
Mr. Polink had erected farm buildings, built
cottages, and was in every way preparing to introduce
au improved system of agriculture and farming
throughout his estate.
Mr. WMAIION reiterated his former statements
against Mr. Pollok, and said that if a committee of
the house were appointed, he believed it would be
found that Mr. Poliok's proceedings ought not to be
tolerated. There was little doubt of one point—viz.,
that he had evicted 2441 tenants from the Quorn-
borough West Estate, and clearly mama to evict 500
more from the Ballynakil Estate.
The subject was sharply discussed for a short
time by Mr. Liddell, Mr, Duncan, Mr. Moore, Mr.
Napier, and Sir A. Campbell, but at length suffered
to drop.

JOINT-STOCK CORIUM/6 BILL.
Mr. SPOONER, on Monday, on the order for going
into committee upon this bill, inquired the nature of
the alterations made in the bill' and the reasons for
them. He objected to its principle, which was con-
trary, be said, to the commercial policy of this coun-
try, and moved to defer the tcommittee for six
months.

hlr. Lows said he had made ,no alteration affect-
ing the principle of the bill, whisk had been affirmed
by the house; and it would be wasting time to
discuss its details, which mast .he reocasidi,red in
committee.

SATURbAY

The amendment was negatived, and the hou a
went into committee upon the bill, the clauses
which Rent one to thirty-six, after some distussior,
were agreed to. To clause thirty•seven, after the
word " seven " the words "for the period of six
months after that number should have been so
n.
duced" wore added. Clauses up to fit'ty.seven in-
clusive were then agreed to. In clause fifty-eight
the words "whose nominal capital does not exceed
5,0001." were objected to by Mr. EWART, anti the
amendment for the omission of the words carried.
The remaining clauses of the bill were then ulti-
mately agreed to.

PARTNERSHIP AMENDMENT (N 0.2) lux.
Mr. Loam, on Monday, moved the second reading
of this bill

Mr. .4.itcRIBALD Hasii said it was incumbent
upon Mr. Lowe, in order to make out the necessity
for this measure, to show that there was a want
of capital in the country; but he had not done so,
and could not do so, inasmuch as capital wairre.
dundant beyond the wants of commerce. He ino.
ed
to defer the second reading for six months.
Mr. GREG/MN seconded the amendment.
Mr. CaanwELL said he hoped the bill would plus
the second reading without a division, although the
bill would require to be altered in the committee.
The measure which had just passed that stage gave
great powers of limited liability to bodies of nil less
than seven persons, and this was a strong reason
why analogous provisiomi should be made for smaller
associations.

Mr. 'l. BARING was opposed to the second readirg
of the bill, which wanted the necessary safeguaita
against fraud, and which could not, in his opinion,
be so modified in committee as to cure its imperfec-
tions. The Joint-stock Companies Bill would give
sufficient scope to the principle of limited habilty.
This bill carried oat a peculiar theory not recognis d
by the law of any other country. It required i o
declaration that the money was to be lent for a cer-
tain period. There was to be no publicity as to the
amount lent, and no prohibition that money should
not be lent at one moment and taken back another.

Mr. RAXTBR spoke in favour of the principle of
Unlimited liability, he observed,
compelled a retiring partner to withdraw his cic
whereas limited liability would induce him to leave
it, at least for a time. The bill, however, in his
opinion, went too far, and was too theoretical ; but
he agreed with Mr. Cardwell that it could be
amended in committee.

Mr. MkSTERSAN strongly opposed the bill.
Mr. lima gloved that the debate be it,ijoureed.
Upon %division, this notion was negatived by
110 to 76.

Mr. LOWE shortly defended the bill, which did not,
he said, alter the law of partnership properly so
called ; its object was to get rid of a liability which
a perverse ingenuity had unjustly attached to a con-
tract which was not a real partnership ; to restrict
partnership within its proper limits; and to relieve
persons not really partners from the liabilities
attaching to partnership.
Mr. lirsoLET, Mr. KIRK, and Mr.l-IonsFALL opposed
the bill in its present form, when the house divided,
and the second reading was carried by a majority a
97 to 68.
The bill was accordingly read a second time.
IHEITART ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE NORTH AMERICAN

The Earl o' Eton, on Tuesday, moved for
returns of despatches to the Governor and Lieu-
tenant-Governors of the British North American
colonies on the military establishment to be min•
tamed in them, and a copy of the report of the
commissioners appointed in 1t154 to inquire into the
best means of organising the militia of Canada, and
providing an efficient and economical means of
defence for the colony. He did not wish to embar-
rass the Government by the motion; but he thought
the rumour that 10,000 troops were to be sent to
Canada was likely to create an uneasy feeling in the
United States, and induce Congress to adopt measures
of precaution and defence that would still farther
complicate the present relations of England and
America. He deplored the opinion, now gaining too
much ground among us, that there was a strong hos-
tile feeling against England on the part of the Ame-
ricans generally. That enmity to England was felt
and expressed more by foreigners, the refugees and
immigrants from Great Britain, and disgraced rather
the land of their birth than that of their adoption.
All the better class of Americans were animated by
kindly feelings to this country; and there never was
a time when the interests of the two nations were
more closely sound up together. He therefore deeply
deplored the continuance of the enlistment conm-
yersy between the two Governments. As to 0 •
questions connected with Central America, it was tl •
interest of this country to maintain the indepentlem •
of those Suttee ; but the Government had put the
most restrictive interpretation on the Clayton Bulwer
treaty ; it insisted that the parties to it might con-
tinue to exercise a right or protection in Central

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Ais--1-16—ries; and be feared the arguments for so doing
bright be turned against themselves. Reverting to the
proposed increased of the military force in Canada,
he contended that the reduction of the number of
troops there was not caused by the Russian war ; it
was the result of a policy deliberately adopted to re-
lieve the Home Government of expense, and, to a
certain degree, to excite a military spirit in the
colonists themselves. This policy had been most
successful. He would not oppose an increase in the
military force in Canada, provided there was a dis-
tinct understanding that it wee for Imperial purposes
only, and not a colonial measure, or not intended to
supersede the colonial militia.
The Eati of CLARENDON assured the house that
the Government was anxious to maintain the most
friendly relations with the United States. As soon
as it was found the enlistment was likely to give
offence it was stopped, and there was nothing one
Government could do to another, or one gentleman
to another in the way of apology that he *as not
ready to offer. As to the Central American question,
be thought the meaning of the Clayton.Bulwer
treaty was quite clear; it was perspective in all its
provisions, but it did not imply that England was to
give up anything she possessed at the time of the
treaty. The Government had no wish whatever to
extend its possessions in Central America; and it at
once offered to refer the question for impartial arbi-
tration to a third power; bit; it could not do what
was not contemplated by the treaty merely because it
was told a new interpretation had been put upon it.
To this offer of arbitration no reply had yet been
received from the American Government.

Lord PANNURI explained that the troops were to
be sent to Canada with no intention of reversing the
policy the Earl of Elgin had alluded to, but solely
for Imperial reason*. Only five regiments, averaging
800 men each, were to be sent out, which were not
enough either to damp the energy of the colonists or
excite alarm in the United States.
Earl GREY thought, unless the common sense of
the people cn both sides decidedly checked the ten-
dency of the Governments to make displays of force,
much of the expense and ill feeling of war would be
created, even if war itself were averted. He was
glad the present explanations had been given by the
Government
The motion was then agreed to.
THE DANUBIAN paiscosurres.
Lord LYNDHURST, on Tuesday, according to notice,
put a question to the Earl of Clarendon on the affairs
of the Danubian principalities. It had been agreed
by the Congress of Paris that the Hospodars, who
were known to be subservient to Austria, should be
removed from the principalities, and that the Aus-
trian army should be withdrawn before the commis
sioners of the several powers commenced their task
of settling a form of government for those provinces.
He wished to know if there was any foundation for
the report that the Turkish Government had ex-
tended the Hospodars' term of office, and that Austria
had agreed to the arrangement.
The Earl of CLARENDON had no knowledge of the
circumstances to which Lord Lyndhurst referred.
He had received a letter from Lord Stratford de Red-
cliffe, dated the 13th instant, a day later than the
reported decision of the Turkish Council, and be
made no refeience to it; he understood from the
highest Turkish authority in this country that no
such arrangement had been made. The attention of
Lord Stratford should be called to the subject.
Lord LYNDHURST pressed the point whether the
Hospodars would remain in office after the expiry of
their present term, and whether, if removed as Hos
podars, they would be placed in the situation of
Caimacans,
Lord CLA►RENDON could not exactly say what ar-
rangement would be adopted. The appointment of
Caimacans was open to the Porte.

ABSENCE OF LORD BROUGHAM.
The Loan CHANCELLOR, on Tuesday, having pre-
sented various petitions for Lord Brougham, read
the following letter :
Grafton-street, May 26th.
My dear Chancellor,—l am sorry to give you the trouble
of these petitions and of my bills, but my attendance is of
course out of the question. Indeed, I am very unwell ;
and besides, seventeen years (both by the time and work)
have left me unable to struggle as I did under the afflictions
of 1839, and I may, perhaps, venture to hope that I have
earned a title to some rest under the present. Two of the
bills are in their last stage—hut not the most important.,
that on judicial statistics, which I earnestly recommend to
your care. The prints I anderstand will be delivered to-
day or to-morrow, and you will see that, with its fifty ela-
borate and carefully-prepared schedules, it gives the frame
t)! a complete system of judicial statistics, criminal and
civil, general and local.—Ever yours sincerely,
BROUGHAM.

THE BANDS IN THE PARES.

On Tuesday, on the motion of Sir J. SHELLEY, an
address was agreed to for a copy of the correspon
deuce between the Archbishop of Canterbury and the
/Vat Lord of the Treasury, on the suppression of
mania in Kensington-gardens on Sundays.