The Express.
London, England, 1852-06-17 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE. OF CONIMON3.—WEDNESDAT, JUNI 16.
TM tiritabea teak the chair at 12 o'clock.
VATE BUSINESS.
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Adams' Estate Bill was conaiilered as amended, sad
agreed to.
Klwe: &irate Bill and 82aiding's Eotate Bin were real A
woad time.
Die %%Raball Water Works Bill and the Grand untie.
Lon Water Work. were read a third tune and paaavd.
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I'ETI 1 lONS PItESEN

PAPIUm.—Ity Sir E LMER, front
aseciety.in Kent; and Mr. HANDCASTLE, from Col-
chester, to favour of free distribution of to literary societies.
INTIMPIIMANCI.—By Mr. L. IIEYWORTIL three po-
tations, tor inquiry into the causes, practices, and cense-
qiiences of.
Islamic-non or Neteneatas.—Be Mr. HARDCASTLE, '
front Camberwell; Mr. BATESON; from the city of Deny,
numerously signed; and Mr. LACY, from Camberwell;
praying for • government inspection of nunneries.
THE COUNT OUT ON ICKSDAY.—IIiE LAW OF
DIVISIONS.
Mr. ANSTEY, in fining the 29th of June for his motion
is reference to the repulsion of the free church MISPiOUSIieII
from Frith, and on which he bad been counted out on the
previous night, wished to ask the opinion of the Speaker
cue e point ot order. It would ho ?cambered that when
an host. and leaned fn. sad of has (Mr. V. Seally) was speak-
ing on the Maynouth debate, at a morning tatting mune
days before, the Speaker left the chair at 4 o'clock pre-
cisely—the hour of adjournment fined by the standing order
under which the morning swinge were held ; but yester-
day, when the Chance-Her of the Exchequer was speaking
on a govemment ball, he was allowed to go on until o
o'clock, though hit (Mr. Anstey) had stated there was
plan to count out in the evening. Ito wished to know from
the chair, how it was that at 4 o'clock an indepeadent
member of the house wee prevented addrewing the house
by the Speaker's leaving the chair, while a member of the
Revetment was allowed to car y on the government busi-
ness till fie'elock. In the seat pl me, he demurred to • decision
of the Chairmaa of Ways and Means by wind.' three friends
of hi. were compiled on a recent occasion to record their
rules against an ameadmeat of has in Cumulative of Supply.
The there hon. gentlemen no goestion being present at the
time of the daemon ea one of the corridor. ast the hones
owed. red they bad a right to have the question pat to
them again, sail to have tiNir rutril recorded according to
their •.ew., met. sal I I sewed's* to the geographical pea-
Nese the wrephs is which they happened to be at the
time when the d.vi.ion was called, but the Chelsea of
Ways and Mean. hasang as inquiry discovered that the
door of the corridor was not locked, decided, on the math..
mty ally right lion gentleman the au mina liar the Cad
wanity el Cembridge, that all members within the home,
arming all basing the pewaibelity of acme, were bound to
vote. and their votes wire accordingly seconleal, nut secaed-
tan to the., own views, but recordang to the side of the house
. at which they happened to be. Then with regard to what
look plan on the previous evening. Ile stated at the cum-
rammement of his odder., whin introducing lass motion,
that aiialatete were, as rumour .1:10. endeavouring se
meat est the home, fur the polio.re of aides* dnemiess
en Lard Malmesbury'. caniluct. ,Cheers) Aud when tee
• count" took also, the Speaker stopped at 37, though
the hosiourabie measlier tor Montrose Brow his attention
to the fact that there were three mutton hiding
themselves behind the chair. Ile (Mr. Aafitry) also
eltiltareeresi to draw the attention et the right boa-
ourab'e gentleman to the fact that there were 'eve-
sal supporters of the government behind the chair, bat
when the Speaker turned round to count them they bad
withdrawn into the ante-room, where, according to the
preTllol4ll decision of the Chairman of Ways and
Means, they ought, nevertheless, to Love been counted,
sad when the bows rue he (Mr. Amoy) was about
to Marin that the Series:it-at- Arras be directed to bring
them to the table. What be wanted to know was, had the
chair on power and hal the house no power to compel
menihen to attend at the table to be toward, when they
were actually within the bowie, in the same way as the
chairman of committees, it appeared, had power to compel
them to vote ; and if then was no such power, he would
gave notice that as a future day he would sneer for the ap-
poistneent of a committee to consider the subject.
The SPEAKER explained that the rule under which
the business was suspended at 4 o'clock, applied only to
thee* days other than Wednesday., when the house nett at
12 o'clock, whereas yesterday the house met at one o'clock.
As te what occurred in the committee of the house to
which the hen. and learned member had alluded, not har-
k* been informed of all the loco, lie could not airs ea
opinion ; but the rule o' the house in regard to divisions
was, that no member was allowed to vote unless he was
present to hear the question pat, and before the question
was pat for the daemon, it was the duty of the Serjeant to
clear the lobby. It had occurred since he had had the
Mame to All the °Nee he now occupied, that after putting
the question a member had been found in the lobby, and
in that nue he had called the member to the table and
asked him if he had h. and the question put, and upon
his answering that he had not, he directed
the Sergeant to open the door and the member withdrew
without voting. With regard to the " count out" an the
preview evening, the hon. and learned gentleman must DIP
aware that when any member took notice that forty men-
bees were not present the house was not competent to
transact any business, and no member was permitted to out-
drew the house until it was ascertained that the required
number to constitute a house was present. The doors were
not lucked, and until the Speeker was actually counting
any member lad • right to withdraw ; and, if there wens
hundred members in the lobby, the Speaker had no poem
to compel their attesdasee. (Hear, hear.) And he meet
be permitted to say that ho was irregularly interrupted by
an hon. member (Mr. Hume) directing his attention to
'entwines' behind It,. chair, when. according to the rule, of
the hoe.,, no member had a right to speak while the
Speaker was counties. (Hear, bear.) In consequence of
that in'erruotion, however, tie counted the house twice
over. (Hear, hear.) The rule of the house, as it now
stood, was that no member could be counted unless he war
actually within the house at the time ; and neither the
chair nor any bon. member had the power to compel the
atteedaacsof any other member while the house was being
counted.
Mr. BERNAL esseiderecl it highly important that some
rule should be laid dews us regard to the noting of mem-
bers who were not actually within the four walls of the
house when the division was called, and who had not beast
the question put. Formerly there was • rule, or rather an
understandiag, that all winabers ant actually in the body of
the house, but within the purlieus, heir g any part of the
house which could be locked io, should be obliged to vote.
Oa the °realign which had been alluded to, when he our
acting as chairman of the committee of supply, he thought
as this was a sew home, that it would be better to take the
= of the committee as to what should he dose, and lee
that the three hen members In emetics
Amid hge=lite the table, sod asked if they had heard
the question put, sand U they had net, that it should be re-
passed tin them, leaving them to Me either cm way or the
ether, me they piessed. That seggeerdon, however, dad am
SO Mom with the hawse, and the right hoe. member kr
Cambridge University (Mr. Goulburn) and the ben. Mar
her Ibr Dover, expvessed an opinion that that sauna 'ogle
ant to be takes, sad the votes of those hon. geatinne ware
roperdol on the side on which they were. (Mew.) Now,
however, if he saluted accurately what bad filles ear
stiturtor. it wa• moseeary not only that She maim
be within the walls of the house, but that he should
her the giantism put, end upon beineamo wen be ray
whether be had Sword it or not, should he mower in the
ve, be should be allowed to withdraw without waling.
(Hear, hear.) He shook! be glad if such were the spines.
ef the Speaker that it should be declased, in order Hied the
oesetles might be Loft desidod.
Wk. MUMS adoi ear what lb. right Ira._ pestle-
am hod now stated, est I. (Mr. Hare) was a lilts ins-
ister, bet arias three arabere behind the chair who Ind
art bra eseatot whoa the amber yofwet was bind
to be IS, it was wily aerial that he nee ld all arras.
to the frt. (Mears bear.) Darks theft throe asabsea
he saw st lawn II Mr SOW* the girder. awls as he
rateaded, within the Mess. It was intyartaot that the
gaieties Amid be MOO ow kr ail what was the rile la
la each eras. runway, whoa a division tote pins, the
dere were leaked, and the division took plasm he the
laser, galas on either side of the Mow or
softiies r ray- voted aye w ao ea the reeks.
He remembered 10 years ago, slaw he wee ma of the tel-
lers fie • division, the late Mr. Wilherfarso bed ladled he
what was thee called Soitsaca's pewit. That was the spec*
behind the Speaker's chair—C.loer, hese," and a laugh)
—and when the numbers were dielaired attention was
called to the feet that a member who was pessont bed sot
bees counted, whereupon Mr. Wilberforce was milled to
the table, and Gibed if he had heard the gao wks. end ea
Marawarrlag " No," the clerk was directed to rood Or
astir. awl, levier Irani it, he was then asked bow be
would veto—. aye" or " —sad as his replying " so::
the vase wee ao needed.Theran of the aid Iron our,
that all reehere should be counted who ware w 'this the
hoar et the tires of patting the gratlea. Ho had formerly
eonsiehred that the rules of the Uwe wars severely
osuiplieeted, but Ids exparienes bad Mee taught him that
wsthuot those rain sad ardor it read be impassible to
carry es the hearse (Haar, boar.) He suggested that
a foroittr should be aporard neat session to lay down
rules to prevent such an occurrence as took place
lest night. (Hear, hear.) He regretted to be
obliged to emplaia et the " count oat " on
'snowl grewada„ far be bed eons dome aa the grinimee
owning serially is bras the debate ages a air inewanisi
sad importer qoarlon fa raferear le the dlelnief
widish was le have bra bret forward by a woissetart-
-eg in the arse of Lora .Ire
The SPIAM KM remelted that the ruts reldali
I the old Hems el Hanemems wasnet agglisebbMittoll
ossest. The nibs if &Mem was Wally earns NM
from what it our ia the old brass, whose swam sorely
crossed the biome when a division /Mk pines enseediag a.
they Med spr or am At that Mass teek U weeehisa win
In the by or la the Spotesea obrabet at the Mrs et the
divides wise net allowed ft veto, but Wm wee a
Mammon the Speriaes ars whom U member
Win wins oho onnwed, they wore Owed awes
le the groat bones then was se werepooling
rear. sad the Mere were required fee tears
nor la. Ho eineened that it was deelealie sere rule
aboeM be laid arara, bet he thought the hams meld be of
weans that no areabor should he requited late solemn
be hod beard the raster put, and that preview tea divi-
des lie
rat
Arms should see that the Weise were
clewed. ( leaar.)
Mr. AN STIT gave astir that tormarrow (die day) he
week' mow thee when ihe boats was sward We &want-
at.Arme be dewed to Irk the suleide door, and tiro all