The Express.
London, England, 1852-06-19 00:00:00

_TICE- FINE DUTIES.

Mr. ANsTEYeilitlinithTi right hen. of the
=Lwas repelled to have said, in reply to a question
a. woke for Cireneseter, that he had read the
wider* takes Ware a committee of which be (Mr.
was 'halms.. and in reference to that evidence to
base that wilibir tie presentime any future govern-
ment would sestet to as wild a scheme as the reduction of
the wine duties to a universal minimum of one shilling a
(anon. He (Mr. A. :My) contended that the hon. member
for Cirencester had no right to ask, nor the right hog.
gentleman to answer, such a question before the regular
publication of the evidence. He wished to ask the right
hon. gentleman whether he was correctly reported, and if
so, he would then ask the Speaker whethlr the question
and answer were according to the rules of the house ?
Mr. DISRAELI said that he had been asked whether he
had heard of a rumour that it was the intention of the go
vernmcnt to reduce the wine duties to one shilling a gallon.

That questien teas asked him without reference to any evi-
dew-before atlysommittee. Ho had answered that be had
not heard the rumour, but that it was not the intention of
government to seduce the duty, nor ho hoped would any
future government take that courso. Subsequently allusion
wee made to the evidence, but not in connexion with
the question. Perhaps he might be permitted to add that
ha had in the tint Instance received notice that the ques-
tion was to be diked by one of the members for the City of
London; but that, he being unavoidably absent, it had
been asked by the hon. member for Cirencester. In an-
swering that question he had expressed himself more fully
than usual, because in questions effecting the interests of
commerce be felt it was desirable that there should be no
inisoraeeption atlas intention of government. lie begged
GPM to state that not only wee there no intention to re-
commend any alteration in the duty on wines, but
that government felt that the recommendation for
such reduction was founded on a fallacy. Supposing en in-
crease of consumption that would require a complete change
in the habits of the people, be believed that there would be
difikulties of soil sad climate in the way of an increased
supply which would enhance the pries beyond any ad- 1
vantage that might be derived from the reduction of the
duty. Ile had only to add, that, if the existence of surplus
revenue should enable the government to turn their atten-
tion to the reduction of taxation, the wine duties would not
be the items to which they should direct their attention.
(Hear, hoar.)
The motion was then agreed to. The house at its rising
to adjourn to Monday next.
ADMIRALTY.

Mr. HUME gave notice of his intention to ask whether
government intended to apply to the Admiralty the stem
of consolidation which had already been carried out In Use
department of inland
CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
On the order of the day for the second reading of
this bill,
Mr. V. SCULLY rose to oppose its further progress. He
said be had a strong preliminary objection to the bill in the
period chose! for its introduction when the majority of the
Irish members were necessarily absent. He objected to it
also because it was unaccompanied by any remedial mea-
sure. He contended that the bill was of the most coercive
and unconstitutional character, and that it would be moat

injurious in its effects. Did he think it alculatail to sup-
press crime and outrage he should be the last to oppose it,
but he believed, on the contrary, that it would only annoy
peaceable people, while the guilty would have no difficulty
in escaping its provisions. As it was a renewal bill, it
might be considered that its passing was a matter of course,
but it should be recollected that we were now in a very
altered state of circumstances. Besides, he thnught its in-
troduction most inexpedient on the eve of a general
election. In Limerick and Tipperary the decrease was
remarkable, and surely these cases formed as good an argu-
ment on the one aide as the cases of Armagh, Louth, and
Monaghan made on the other. The fact was that the pro-
posed measure was a coercive one, framed with a view to
the coming elections.
Au HUN. MEMBER here moved that the house be
counted, but more than forty members being present,
Kr. SCULLY resumed, and on our return to the gallery
was explaining the provisions of the bill, which he
said would apply even to election addresses ; and would
enable the Lard-Lieutenant to burden any district momenta.
rily excited by electioneering with the heavy charge of police.
Local magistrates might send up to Dublin a highly-co•
loured account of an exceptional outrage; and then the
district in which the offence was committed would he at
the Lord-Lieutenant's mercy. This act must be tooted by
the answer to this qua: ion; what would Englishmen say
were such an act applicable to England ? It had been
arid that the principle of taxing the hundred for the
crimes committed within it was an old Saxon law; but that
was totally untrue ; for that law was a Norman inventica,
to punish the Saxons then kept down (as Irishmen were
now kept down), and who were guilty of assassinating Nor-
mans wherever they could do so secretly. Such a law was
arbitrary and unjust, and was totally opposed to the eon-
etitution of England. It was clear that'll these coercive acts
wore failures even as acts of police. They foiled because
they were unaccompanied by those remedial measures
which would go to the root of the state of society whence
these crimes proceeded as inevitably as effect followed
cause. And was the last fortnight of the session the
proper period for dealing with such a bill? It was •
period at which Irish members were compelled to be absent ;
and certainly its introduction just now looked like a settled
and rather suspicious plan on the part of the government.
The hon. gentleman concluded by moving that the bill be
read a second time this day three months.
Mr. LAWLESS congratulated Irish members on the go-
vernment having thrown off the mask, and shown what
their intentions were. The hon. gentleman expressed his
belief that Lord Eglinton wished well to Ireland, but was
controlled and thwarted, as Lord Anglcsea was, by the
present Premier, then Secretary for Ireland, under Lord
Grey. He believed the Ribbon Societies had done
lees harm and caused fewer murder, than the Orange
associations. (Oh, oh.) Let Ribbonism be pot down
if they liked, bat put down also the Orange societies,
which went through the country rousing the passions of
the le. (Oh, ob.) He would uoommend the govern-
their own sakes, and with • view to the approach-
'on, to give up this hill.
Illr. WHITESIDE mid that the government felt it to be
an imperative duty to propose the continuance of this bill
till next year, or to the end of the next session of parliament,
for the moons which had been stated at length by his
right hon. friend the Attorney-General for Ireland. since
his right hon. friend addressed the house a return, moved
for by the hon. member for Louth, had been laid on the
table, which showed the amount of crime which existed in
Louth Monaghathand Armagh, from the year 1849 to 1852.
No izipartial man could read this return without coming
to the conclusion that the ordinary law was not sufficient to
ape with offences of the character and description men-
lifted la it. No less than 136 gentlemen, belonging to
*Ns three countries and of all politics, asked for additional
11181vires of protection beyond this bill. This bill did
sr tubs away the trial by jury or any of
the sanstitutional safeguards of the 'abject. All
that It did was to protect life and property,
Ow • conspiracy, the object of which was to take away
harairDife in order to subvert law and order and govern-
Mist Ireland. (Hear) He could assure:the hon. and
lemma yestismes that the present government was not the
governsent of a clique or a party, but the government of a
nation; and that they would treat all—whether protestant
or Roman catholic, Orangeman or Ribbonman—with the
eansejustice. (Cheers.) It was with thaaar—to
Met the well disposed and to punish doe
that the present measure was p
would endeavour to give pros arr ;merles to 17=ab;
which, as Lord Bacon said, the prosperity of that eserry
could alone be secured. (Cheers.)
Mr. FRENCH said, the evils in wells mai see be
grappled with by that or any other bill. ll'llmereplep of
Ireland did their duty in the matter, no cordon MR would
be necessary
Captain
ao ix and Mr. F. SCULLY spoke egehol the
bill.
The house then divided:
For the second reading
Against it
INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.

This bill was read a second ilia. On the question that
it be committed on Monday,
Mr. F. FRENCH said her Majesty's ministers having
opposed a similar measure when out of office, he was sur-
prised that they had now introduced this bill without any
observation. He wanted to know what extraordinary
change had taken place in their opinion. It was his inten-
tion to oppose the measure to the utmost, and though he
Wight be beaten, there would be a fight in another plans
whisk would astonish the government. (A laugh.)
Mr. NAPIER said the roman why he had not spoken be-
n was that he thought it best to wait to hear the objec-
tions to the bill. He tailored that the introduction of this
MIMS was very best 0111 s which the government
wield take with reference to the latereets of the landed pro-
prietors of helemd.What was the real state of the ease ? When
the governante:Nam into 061111 they found that the period
immadmi petitions wadi expire in July ; and if the
peeledwere met entimied, the moult would be a crowding
017.stillene Whirs that period, which must cause a very
M dipasetilias of landed property in Ireland. He ad-
MOW liellb proper remedy in the fist instance would
have been to reform the Court of Equity; bat the truth
wag, that law reforms were delayed too long both for the
piddle and for the profession—(hear, hear)—and the Court
of
* the et Chalemese at pales. resent regulated, was not st all suited
Mr. J. ST ART had hoped that the government would
have paused before proceeding with this bill, and moved
that it be committed that day six menthe. He did so be-
ams the bill had enormously depreciated the value of lead
la Ireland.
Mr. WHITESIDE defended the bill, which was alp.
tacked by
Mr. BUTT, who, in a forcible first speech, insisted ups.
the **lid of the original act, which had he said, pee!
hand a revolution in the property of Ireland, and he salmi
whether it was reasonable to continue for another year the
existence of a court which had more business before it the
could be dispoesd of, and when every additional petitire
would tend still further to depreciate the value of estates.
The house then divided :
For the motion for going into committee on
Monday 7B
For the amendment B-72
The School Sites Extension Bill and the Property of
Lusatia Bill were read a second time.

iiiiiiasteriiaiance;TAbOiiii7; Bill passed through
committee. and the compensation clause was added.
The Representative Peers for Scotland Bill was read a
third time and
The County aßill wu read a third time and passed.
The Protestant Dissenters Bill wu read a third time and
passed.
PIMLICO IMPROVEMENT BILL.
The house having gone into committee on this bill,
Colonel SIBTRORP complained of the large expendi-
ture incurred for the royal palaces, especially Buckingham
Palace, for the alterations in which this bill was brought
forward, end referred to the enormous charge for the re-
moval of the marble arch, vie., 13,0001. and upwards.
The clauses were then agreed to, and the house re-
sumed.

Tie Savings Banks (Ireland) Bill, the Inland Revenue
Office Bill, and the Thames Embankment Bill, were read •
third time and.
The l'ublic re= Act (1849) Amendment Bill went
through committee, and the house adjourned at half-put
one o'clock.

CARE OP EDWARITMURIIAIr.—fhe Shriaphore of
Marseilles states that a letter from Rome had reached that
port, announcing that three British men-of-war had arrived
at Ancona, to protect Mr. Murray, sentenced to death by
the tribunal of the Consults.