The Express.
London, England, 1864-06-22 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS,

the (biennial had hese postponed need after the wen led
bees placed before them. He had the fullest confidence ia
Mr. Sydney Turoer's asperiatendence, and he trusted the
new managers would do their utmost to pre►eet s repetition
of such sosodelous outbreaks. (Hear, bear.)
The molded dropped, sad the haw adjourned at 10
minutes to 8 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TuzsDAT, Jim 21.

COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL.

After our report left yesterday the committee (con-
sisting of about a dozen members) commenced the considers-
tioa of the clanes of the above bill, and had gone through
nine of them without opposition, when
Mr. WHITESIDE entered the house. and, complaining of
the undue bait* with which the clauses had been posed,
moved that the chairman leave the chair (in order that the
bill might be referred to a select committee), entering. in
support of thin motion, upon a full discussion of the whole
mosso, his argument occupying two hours and a half.
The remnant of time left for debate was soon exhausted,
and, upon a division, Mr. Whiteside's motion was carried
by 42 to 41, leaving the government in a minority.
The hose resumed ►t 6 o'clock.
IN THE WRONG LOBBY.

Sir C. O'LOGHLEN—Sir, I wish to mention to the hour
a question which has arisen in my cue to-day. A division
took place at 4 o'clock on the question whether the chairman
of committees ahead leave the chair or not. I bad intended
to vote " No." At the time when the division took place
there "ammonia difficulty in getting a teller. The Attorney.
Geeeral for Ireland was named ore one of the tellers, and
another hon. gentleman who was named as the other teller
was not in the house. I then offered to act as teller in his
place, and accordingly I remained here uttil the house was
clear, in order to act as teller for the nom. Just as the
house was cleared the boo, member for Northampton said
he would set as teller, and I rotated to vote, but by mistake
went into the lobbyfor the "a yes." (Laughter.) When I
got into that lobby I immediateydiscovered my mistake, but
the hon. member for Horsham told me I should be obliged
to vote with the "ayes." (Hear, hem.) Accordingly I did
so vote, bat the moment after I came into the house and
reported the fact to Mr. Massey, the chairman, before the
paper was handed to the tellers. namely wish to mention
this to you, as I respectfully submit my Tote ought to be
counted with the " noes " and not with the " ayes."

The SPEABEH—One of the difficulties of this cue
arises from the circumairee that there is no report made
by the committee to the house. The &darn in the com-
mittee was held to be binding, final, and reclusive*. to
the proordinp of the committee, and they make no
to the hoer The hoe. member u an individual ;XI
question of me which really ought to have been directed to
the chairman of the committee with whom the decrial in
the committee would be Seat But the chairman in fast
did decide the question by taking the 'lumbers ma they were
handed to him and accepting that decision, sud
it is that decision which prevent, any report berg
made to the hoar. Bat if it should be the pleasure of the
house to be reminded of what has taken place on former
occasions. I do not think the boo. member could have bad
any relief under the circumatenoss of the cue. (Laughter.)
There are several precedents oo the point—one of recent
date. in April, 18.56 re of the tellers for the "noes"
stated that Mr. Wykehlm Martin, who was with the "nose,"
refused to vote, having, by mistake, o* into the wrong
lobby ; but he was informed that being in that lobby his
name mast be counted with the rest. I think there is a
stronger oar. In May, 1860, notice wr taken that a
member had been into the lobby with the " ore and
having pared the divisioo clerk bad avoided being counted.
He stated that be had gone into that lobby by mistake, but
being in that lobby, and having heard the questioo pat, the
Speaker directed his vote to be added to the " ors." Now
in that we the misapprehension was diseovered re
early as it was by the hoeourable • baronet Ithasef.
However, I do not think it is any gnostic.°
for me to give any decision upon. (Hear, hear.) There hay
been no report made to the hones, sod what I have steed
has been the ruling of the hour in similar care, and I
think the boo. member having heard the question and hay
ing goon into the lobby with the "ayes," was rightly
counted with the "ayes." (Hear.)

remedy, and he asked the limas to give it •
fair trail. The time wee new approaching when the
great elsetiom Saturnalia would be present with them, with
all its filthy orgies. Intimidation would then produce, as
it ever had produced, its of terror; Wary would cor-
rupt, and inebriety would • and is the eieetiee
this state of thine would proses* itself in • form which he
ventured to esy had hardly ever been beheld le this ocantry
before, from the great straggle that would take
place between the two pietas. They would have all
three horrors which he had bee. in the habit of descriliag
proved by width°, ; the acme turned upon the country by
hosts of attorneys—ma who knew every available weak-
ness, who could strain every point which would tell upon
the unhappy voter. This was the state of things they ware
now approaching, sad surely it was not too much, seeing
that they had no remedy whatever for it, that their preset
act was • dead letter, to ask that a mode of taking the
votes what' had proved so thoosaeful elsewhere should be
tried in this ocastry. The hon. gentleman acialuded by
moving the resolution.
Mr. J. LIXTHE seoceded the motion.
Lord PALMERSTON congratulated Mr. Berkeley ou his
pliant adhereoce to a quieten which was gradually going
down in public estimation. Be objected to the motion be-
cause it implied that the franchise wee • right, whereas it
was, in fact, only • trust. The ballot wee calculated
to withdraw the voter from the public exercise of •
trust, and therefore would be a political act. He denied
that the case of America was in paint, because vote by
ballot in that country was anything bat secret is practice,
ad he cooteoded that every Eaglistunaa wee, or ought to
be, proud of the open exercise of the franchise as behalf of
his political opiolons.
Mr. BUX.B.LEY in reply mid be was not about to make
a speech in answer to the noble lord ; for le order to do that
he should have to go almost through the whole of Hansard.
Ile wished to see a system tried which had succeeded
elsewhere as against one that had failed in this country.
He should view the division on this question as an espies-
sion of the opinion of honest reformism. Meer, hear.)
_ _

The house the divided:
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Hove. 212-89
The motion was therefore lest
AGRICULTURAL POPULATION (IRELAND).
Mr. HENNESSY then rose to move the following reso-
lution :—" That this hones observes with regret that the
sgriaultural population of Irehad are rapidly leaving the
country. That this house trusts that her Majedy's govern-
ment will direct their attention to the rubjed.with • view
of devising some mesas by which the Irish agricultural
population may be induced to devote their capital and labour
to reproductive employment at home.* He would ven-
ture to suggest the government had the choice of three
courses, either or all of which they might adopt. They
might Introduce into the home, and no doubt Gerry certain
legislative measures loss demanded by the people of Ireland,
recommended over and over sgais by aommissimien and
committees, and actually recommended by ministers
of the Crown—a measure, for instance, similar to
that introduced by Lord Derby is the House of
Lord' gin 1845, which unfortunately did not p.m—
similar to that introduced by the Duke of Newcastle,
which did not pars—or similar to that introduced by
Laid Derby in 1852, which also unhappily did not pars.
Why did not these measures pan? They were called for
by the people of Ireland. The fact that a measure did sot
pees was no reason why it should not be re-introduced, as
was known to no use better than to the right hon. gentle-
man (Mr. Cardwell). Booze time most elapse before im-
portant measures could be earned in the House of Com-
mons. He only hoped some government would have wisdom
and strength enough to carry a measure which would
restore concord between landlords and tenants, and
would give to tenants some property in the Un-
provemeata they might make. (Hear, bear.) There
was another thing the govern meld might do. Com-
mittees and commissions had recommended that so Ireland
bad heretofore been treated exceptionally, so exceptional
legislation sad exceptional measures should be adopted with
regard to her, amongst which was the employment of public
money is works of • reproductive nature.
Sir R. PEEL mid he speed with the bon. potleman
that the but capita in Ireland woe the industry
of her people. (Cheers.) Bat could the hon. gentleman
deny that an impulse bad been, sad was being given, to
that industry ? Not ouly had the produce of the country
increased, but it had been greatly improved in quality ; the
cultivation of large estates had also been much improved,
and capital was being actively employed in all directions. He
said, then, that whatever had happened in the pant, he did
not despond as to the future. Ireland was iseentially an
agricultural country, and exertions were sow being made to
establish what would be the greatest possible bimetal to the
country—viz., agricultural societies, which aaeoally brought
together all classes engaged in the cultivation of the
land. He rejoiced that they bad now reseed those
times when political parties endeavoured to obtain modal
by the discussion of Irish questions. They all now wished
to lieseaerons to Inland. (Hear, bear.) That she had
though the trials to which she had beeo exposed since
837rea, in a gnat degree, owing to the energy of the
' people of Ireland, and be hoped they would continue to
manifest the same feeling they had hitherto dom. He was
bound to my that whatever government held office
them must reads on their part a deep sad abiding
anxiety to promote the improvement of !reload, and is
' doing so they would enhance the pesos and general pros-
perity of the United Kingdom. (Cheses.l
Mr. MAGUIRE expressed his admiration of the tone and
temper with which the right bon. bermet had addressed
the home. He hoped that the goverement were now on-
vioced that there was something wrong in the state of
Ireland, mid would gin the subject their serious adenine'
during the recess.
Mr. MONSELL said that in the interests of the landlords'
themselves the time was come when the parliament of this
country must do something for Ireland. The bon. member
for Demerara had alluded to the tenure of lead. The
realms why that questioa was not settled ten years ego, under
Lord Aberdeen's goversroent, was because of the extravapat
views put forth on the subject. Hs believed if Sir John
Young's bill had become law the result would have been •
great Improvement of the cocditioe of Ireland. They
would, ia the first indium have bad proper farm buildings
and offices, without which agriculture could not progress ;
and he thought government might well consider the peopriety
of re-introducing that bill. He believed alsothat if a good
measure were introduced providing for the registration of
tides they would see oompaniee rise up who would buy large
estates and sell them in small parcels to the small farmers,
who would thus be induced to invest their savioga, which
it was said amounted to sixteen millirem, is land.
Sir P. O'BRIEN thought that the house ought to suggest
some system by which they could settle the land question,
without which they could never stop .migration. His im-
pression WS4 the day would come when not the Want, but
the landlord, would suffer from this emigration.
Mr. WMAHON maid, besides improving the nears of land,
however, they must get rid of the supremacy of the esta-
blished church, sad noble the Irishman to feel that be was
not a serf is his own country. (Chests.)
Lord ATE LUNN EY said it had been his fortune, or per-
haps his misfortune, to hold • wpoonhle situation in
Ireland at the time of the greatest disasters that had ever
befallen that unhappy country ; and at that time every means
was adopted ant to prevent, but to encourage emigration.
The thing must be left to rind its own Ind. It ma se use
debating it, for they could do nothing. He had heard no reel
remedies proposed that night. They were told, for example,
that all that was wanted was to give security to the tenant.
If landlords and tenants were put to their mottle what would
be the result! Why that landlords would nest upon
tenants with a capital of 101. an acre, as was required
England. Depend upon it the present system must remain,
conducted in • spirit of kindomw and pmerasity. But if
any legislation were attempted that would shake the
security of existing entracte, it would lead to • greater de-
gree of uncertainty time existed at present, and would only
excite false hopes aid lead to diaappointmeat, and even
worse results. (Hear. hear.)
Mr. WHITESIDE feared the legislatioa which had
been of late years, and which never could be re-
would and must tend to continue, aid ha feared to
increase, the emigreaos from Ireland. He could not apse
with the noble lord that this was • matter of coogratuLitioa
—(so, no)—but he thought there was nothing norm-
sociable in the house asking the government to di-
rect their attention to the subject, with a
view of devisiug some mesas for putting an end
to the provost stets of things. (Hear, bear.)
The debate was continued by Mr. BLAKI and Sir G.
Bowyca.

Lord PALMERSTON hoped Mr. Beemesy woeld be
Wished with the 11511111M1005 expreesioe of aympathy which
had been evoked from all Wee of the house, sod sot preen
his motto. to a divieiow. It wee to be lameeted that air-

cumateoose existed to Milani a large number of the Irish
people to emigrate from their own land. At the same time
he could not join with those who regretted it on accouat of
that emigmote themselves ; because, if they went to a coun-
try when they found themselves is • moth better 000di-
tioa than in their own, so far as they themselves were con-
cerned they could not regret the change that had taken
place. Ireland had an abandon** of water power and human
labour, and her natural resources were great. All she
wanted was the introduction of capital, for the employment
of which there wee an ample Said, a good security, and he
' believed a sufficient reward. That process was, in fact,
going on at this moment, and would do more to arrest the
tide of emigration than anything else.
Mr. HENNESSY intimating his intention to press the
reeolutious,
Sir G. ORSY mowed the " previous question," which was
'imported by Mr. Walpole, Mr. Monsen, and Mr. ramrods,
and opposed by Mr. Lam and Sir P. (YHA's.
Ou a division the " previous question " was carried by 80

ACCIDIDITS' COMPENSATION ACT AMENDMENT
BILL
This bill pissed Woe& committee.
COUNTESS OF ELGIN AND KINCARDINE'S
ANNUITY BILL.
Thi bill passed through mites*.
COVENTRY FREE GRAMMAR SCHOOL BILL.
Thie bill wee mad a third time sad plumed.
SALE OF GAS (INNYTLAND) BILL.
This MU wee oleo read • gird time sad pews&
The ease sodas were disposed at, sad the his.. ed.
fours** at tee vaissies to I.

After oar report left yesterday the inquest in the
ere of the late railway acsidast at Ethan) was adjourned to
Friday sat.