The Express.
London, England, 1852-09-24 00:00:00

ITALY.

Wo have received amounts from Rome," says
the DEW', •, to the 14th. A long interview which
Sir Henry Bulwer had, a few days since, with the
Cardinal Secretary of State, is the subject of general
conversation. The following is, according to thu
reports current in the political world, the substance
of what took place. The first subject talked of was
the maintenance of friendly relations between the
two governments, relations which had been some-
what compromised on the ono side by the introduc-
tion of the Roman Episcopal hierarch into England,
and by the prosecution of Mr. Murray, and on the
other by several recent legislative measures and by
the trial of Dr. AchillL In order to establish a vod
understanding for the future, the envoy of Lord
Derby is said to have suggested whether it would not
be well to accredit at Rome an agent with a higher
title than that of consul, for instance, an ordi-
nary minister. To that suggestion, the answer is
said to have been, that the time for discussing
that question would be when a Papal Nuncio should
be admitted at London, and that, as far as regarded
Mr. Freeborn personally, the Pontifical government,
by not removing from him its exequatur, showed
very clearly that the recall or the maintenance of
that agent was a matter of indifference to it. As to
the communication of the documents relative to the
affair of Murray, which Sir Henry Bulwer is said
to have demanded, the reply of the Cardinal Secre-
tary was, it is reported, peremptory and clearly
given, by a awn possum. It is even pretended
that be said, ' a judgment has just been given in
England, which has astonished and afflicted us. But,
notwithstanding these feelings, wo will not call in
question the decision in that affair, pronounced by
the legally instituted justice of a regular government,
master of its penal legislation. We aro also a regu-
lar government. We have our penal legislation,
which differs from yours, but which is sanctioned by
the Prince, applied for many years iu the country,
and working according to rules the justification
of which wo do not admit any government to
have a right to demand from us. Murray has fallen
under that penalty. It was regularly applied to him
according to the forms usual in these proceedings.
To demand the communication of the documents of
his trial would be equivalent to a suspicion of the
judgment not being correct, a suspicion which would
become an insult for Roman justice, and fur the state
which has confided to it the honour, the property,
and tho lives of its subjects. This insult, therefore,
we reject, without even wishing to combat it, and
we will not establish a dangerous precedent by coin-
municating to you the documents you demand.
Once more, I repeat, the affair has been decided, and
the judgment legally pronounced.' The conversation
is said to have afterwards turned on subjects of
secondary interest, such as a few words on railways,
and some insinuations on the deplorable state of Ire-
land, after which an end was put to this painful
interview. Satisfaction is generally felt at Rome at
the issue of the affair, and the turn which the matter
has taken."

GERMANY.
THE ZOLLVEREIN.
The Officio/ New Munich Gazette asserts that the
coalition will renew its demand for the conclusion of
a treaty with Austria, simultaneously with the re-
newal of the Zollverein, and that on the reception of
this declaration in Berlin will depend whether this
be the last word in the affair.