The Express.
London, England, 1855-03-13 00:00:00

waxier*, iad that thi debewis very prajadiaral.

Bit I. PASINGTON I did not say that the bills
were passed two years ago, bat that the arrangement was
then made which led to those bills.
Sir 0. OBEY said it wu quite true that the right hon.
baronet's despateb,"on which those bills were brought in,
was written more than two years ago. But what, then, was
the delay with which be charged the colonial department ?
When he (Sir G. Grey) took the seals of the Colonial-office,
lest Jane, he found three bills, from Victoria, New South
WAN, sad Beath Australia, in the Colonial-offiee, waiting
fee emulderationt
_One of those bills, that from Victoria,

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b-ad beenreeelved in Kay. Those required a great
deal of metal eonsidern. It was neosseary that the
legal advisers of thecae* should go through the bills, and
their report was not received until near the end of the M.
Sin. It would have been irapsesible for the house to have
dealt with those bills at the end of the session. The hon.

gentleman (Mr. Atibidey) said the geverument ought
either to meat le et tinsel diem the Ms; it did not signify
which. BM it Wahl be rismembsted that the government
was preeinded bee adapting that mares. The colonies
were invited, by the eonstmeden played on the despatch
Sir J. Pakington, not to seals• the bills they passed
within the powers of the AM •1 1860, but rather to go be-
yond them powers, and paw bills to which the assent cd
the crown could not possibly be given, because they inter-
fered with acts of the imperial legislature, and the assent et
the crown could not have any effect in setting such site
aside. (Hear, hear.) It was therefore impossible that tie
crown could give its assent to those acts ; and after s
careful investigation of them, the government did ernment did aid
think they could bring in a bill simply übt-
ing their assent. Four bills had been mentioned. In
writing to the governors of three of the colonies, he had
pointed out that a most inconvenient course had been
adopted—that of not confining themselves within the powers
conferred upon them by the act of 1860, and that but for
this the consent of the crown could have been given at once.
In Van Diemen's Land no such set had been passed ; and
having received • very able despatch from the governor as
to a bill for that colony, he (Sir G. Grey) had taken the op-
portunity of pointing out to him the inconvenience, and
suggesting that the bill to be passed by that colony should
be confined within the powers of the act of 1850. Since he
gave up the seals of the Colonisl-oMee be had received from
the Governor of Van Diemen's Land a despatch, transmit-
I des an act passed by the legislature of that colony, which
be thought calculated to work well for that colony, and out
of which he had struck all those clauses which would have
bartered with imperial mu ; and the bill sent home was
me that might be submitted at once for the approval
et the crows. The probability, therefore, was that in this
MM the lest night be the first, and that the Van Diemen's
Lead leydriftere might receive their bill confirmed before the
others. It was very easy to introduce a bill, bat not so
espy to get the attention of the house at this period of the
sendes, when every night was occupied In passing them
estimate. which sere emends! for the conduct of the war.
On this sable* he had communicated with Lord J. Rumen ;
it was ewe to which the noble lord had paid great attention,
and he did not believe that any material delay, if any,
weeld be Ibeursed by those bills being postponed till he
had returned. He certainly hoped that no impression would
ae forth that the colonies were being neglected, or that
deers was any indifference to their interest on account of an
amegemeeet which he did not defend as a permanent one,
bat w he hoped would be temporary ; and no one would
be sere glad than himself to be relieved from • responsi-
bility which he bad undertaken in order to facilitate the
acemesim of his noble friend to the Colonial-eMee, believing
as he did that the noble lord's undertaking those duties
would conduce to the best interests of the colonies. (Hear.)
Mr. LO WE said that Sir John Pakiagton had spoken of
having entered into • sort of compact with the colonial
legislatures as to their new constitution. He (Mr. Lowe)
was most anxions that that compact should not be carried
eat. In 1860, the house had delegated to the Australian
agonies the powers of • constituent sasembly, and to give
them the power of framing their own constitutions He
(Mr. Lows) objected to that, believing that the colonies
were not fit for the duty. The despatch of Sir J. Peking-
too, in 1862, made the matter worse. The house and the
government ought to have observed a policy of rigid impar-
tiality, and to have abstained from expressing any wish.
Instead of that, the right hon. baronet had stated that his
impression was decidedly in favour of a house of assembly,
nominated by the crown, and bad made an offer, in the
event of such houses being appointed by the colonies, le
give them up the control of their waste lands. This was Mid
out as a bribe to the colonies. But what interest
had we in inducing the colonies to adopt any form' of go-
vermessit of which they did not approve ? (Hear, hear.)
Hs protested against the government or. that house being
Wood la any way by what the right hon. baronet bad done
I. this respect. It was a most in-advised act ; and when the
bills came before the house be should oppose thee. He
hoped the right hon. baronet who held pro ton. the Nob of
the Colonial-office would avoid the bad example set by his
predecessors, and merely look to the will of the edsolstev
with a view to carry it out. (Hear, hear.) The
instead of following the provisions of the act of 142111Z1 ,
clothed themselves with all kinds of powers which trey did
not possess, and had given pledges and guarantees topers:es
now in ocompation, under very dubious titles, of fifty or sixty
millions of acres of land. The acts were long and complex, and
it would not do to peas • short set merely giving validity te ,
them. Let not the house be persuaded by the dabber
of interested persons sent from the colonies se Bs
to forget their duty. He hoped the Coked& Se-
cretary, whatever be did, -would beware of
any contrasts or conditions with the colonies, or, above
of giving guarantees to mantels certain interests against
what might be done by the colonial legislatures. Unless
the house acted with the greatest circumspection, and kept
dear of any bickering. or tem, they might be made
the was of losing the colonies, and of creating • great
arks of blood.
Mt I. PAHINCITON said he skoald be prepared to show,
the proper time, that the hen. gentleman had completely
misrepresented the effect of his despatch.
Yr. M'GREGOR (Glasgow) said the absence of the
sable lord (Russell) had been most unfortunate for the colo-
ids.. The negotiations which the noble lord went to conduct
were diMcult end complicated,and would turn out to be tedious
Oki Illasertaia is their arrangement. The government of
Neale did not entertain the view that the conferees:is at

Vienna worklo;7ln a speedy p__ barer thew dram-
steno's, the absence of the noble lard from the Colonial de-
pertinent was very mach to be deplored. Gentlemen of
position in the Masks were daily calling upon
him, and expressed their dinatishotion with the
present state of things At that very
when Canada and other adonis, were givier 1;1=
of their loyalty and attachment to the motker-swastey,
the government of them colonies rested in the hands of
claim who, however competent they might be, were not
reepessible to parliament for what they did. The Weds%
what they knew that their business was conducted he sub a
way, would be apt to say that they meld act mach be
der thesmelves No convenience of government maid
jusWy sash neglect. He regretted to be obliged to speak
thus el the government ; bet what be said, be spoke in all
dearly, honesty, and indepemiemes (Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. G. PHILLIMOBM said, that the answer to the
observations of the ho.
. gest/sem who had jolt spoken
wee, that the state of thiege el which he oomplaised arose
est of eireemetemeas who* seal& net be foreseen. With
regard to the sells bird at the head of the Colonial dike,
it scald_ set be denied that lb terser marlines eminently
=liate kV the saes He was of opinion that the
system with act answer in this country. At
the mane Moe he should ebengly deprecate a return to the
system et ==don, which had been condemned by
reason end
Mr. SWART said that la the dismission on pebble
sibs* whisk mostly teak to the bones, the soilage
M Mes seemed to that *Nee yea net dose
to the alterations Whirs plass in that sepal Made-
Nam The old metes parened_thems was purely abseiled. Now
there were seven 'is .imbeal misitere, the sonsepases of
I which wee that there aye bar wranglers end me seeker
wrangler is see year MS that allege. I was deo
tesk brMeaden awl seism language% and the
es seeks. was sew wahlarbei to a strict 0116111bidel.
Messever, the stminele had scam to a library ef 7,10)
releases. He hoped that the impromenent wadi premed
still farther ; let ho was glad to be Ws to saps iamb in
isstilleation et sa stitatlaa with width he was seeseeted
Ass his eadiest ram.

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TM Penhoms. Prelselles whist Judgments Bill went
through ermlithitm.
Issesq Itoplatices Ant Anteedment Bill went
threes! eminallso.
The Dies Weisel Gill, u ..Al,ne wu ordered to be nad
a OM lime ea Wednesday.
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