The Express.
London, England, 1863-03-21 00:00:00

THE RECENT ARTELLERT EXPI
SHOZBURYNESS.

Sir J. PAIIISGTON asked the Searetary to the Ad-
miralty whether it was true that, in the trials at Shoebury-
am. on Tuesday last, sk-inch iron plates were penetrated
by shells, and the wooden backing set on fire ; and if so,
whether the Admiralty stall intended to build of wood the
ire new skips to be plated with iron.
Lord C. PAGET said on Tuesday last very important
experiments took place, not only with Sir W. Armstrong's
shells, but likewise with Mr. NVlitworth's shells, and un-
doubtedly these shells pierced *inch plates. Bat it was
quits impossible to state the extent of the effect of these
shells until the target was taken pieces. He mentioned
this because last year when important experimenta took
place the house was anxious to learn the result and the
neat day he stated what had occurred, but these opinions
WIN to be muck modified afterwards, and therefore he now
preferred to await the complete examination of the target,
In order that be might be able, if the house wished it, to
give more particular detail..
Sir J. PAIIINGTON said the question had not been
answered. He asked whether the wood had been set on
fire, and whether it blazed lap, and whether that fact would
hare any effect at the intentions of the Admiralty with
11= to the five new ships to be plated with iron.
C. PAGET begged pardon for omitting to answer
that part of the question. The Admiralty did not, in toe-
sigma°s of those experiments of last Taesdsy, sod it neces-
sary or expedient to change their opinions in the matter of
Toed TOMB iron.
THE POLISH REFUGES ABICHT.

Mr. HENNRSSY asked the First Lord of the Treasury
whether the Remise government recently applied to her
Majesty's anatomist far information respecting • Polish
rasps mused Alicht ; whether her fitme.y's government
with that application, and afriniett information to
the 'remanent ; end whether this Polish refugee
is the individual referred to in • letter of Earl Russell,
dated Forage-alles, Feb. 14, 1863, as "a person lately
warted in Poland es a politica agent."
Load PALL ERSTON said so application of any kind had
hese adthemed to her Mapety's government by the govern-
mont a Reeds spec the labisa of this mac Abicht ; there-
in* us saran err esmainisatios of any kind bad been
smith by her Malegifemmeasens to the government of
Unit open the a that parses. The history of
fiat poem was this y a despatch of the Ilth of January
them the meting em eal at Warsaw her Majesty's govern-
ment wen isfermei that a certain number of pawns had
- bum errethed, sad emeag them a man of the name of
AI,W with reprd to whoa it was suppose'] he was co-
Zin Isenifeanble practicer. Afterwards, on the 14th,
ona wrote to my that Abisitt wee found to have
been tonal* with • British Foreign-office passport
raw lie name of Brett, and that passport had
lees vied and aped by differeat authorities on the road to
Warsaw. Itteremosa ingairies wen made by the Foreign-
Miss to sea how it hoppened that • pompon had been
bend to • penes at the nuns of Brett, when it was found
that is July, 1861, apnithelthe bad hese mode by • Mr.
Leases, midges he Bk. Sebes, in Loathe, for • person of
the name of Broth dame thies net pane as harm his °Do&
amnia clerk, wham Is wanted to lend mien nine business
el his to the conthest, add be this to P te floloraY with
emether caddential clerk of his wham name he (Lord Pal-
isnreten) did net remember. Mr. Leverets woe asked by
that bar which the Its. master refund to. by
Led Brinell, how it happened that a Forei
elleismisa=enchitranted en him nomeamendation to his
that, bed fella late ether heads,
sad how it had got Into the hands of the mats Abicht,
of whom the Femapollise knew linking. Mr. Lennon
Modied that he them& the inquiry bed bees addressed to
Mr. Bonk wed aeseedlngly a lean was wafter' to Mr.
Brest, sang hew it happened that the passport granted
is hint had got late ether hands, but up to this tam Mr.
Brett, who no doubt had a defective memory— (laughter)
—and who had probably failed day to past up hie mind,
bad omitted to nicks say reply to that communication.
(Renewed laughter.)
MR. WIITTWOWTITS SHELLS.

Mr. DALGLISH asked the Secretary to the Admiralty
whether the authorities at the Admiralty intended to try the
Woes cot WhitwortWe She& OM • target repreesatimg the
tide of the Royal Oak, or of owe of the wooden ships whki
it le proposed to Wild ; and also whether foilitise
weuldlie afforded to members to wither these imperimenth
Lord C. psevir said it we the intrados of the germ-
met to carry en a series of experiments with a view to teas
the merits of these shells, said likewise with raped to the
wood backing of the various theme of ships. He woe not
prepared at this moment to stets what the particular mune
of experiments would be. He could only say that the 1
government intended to continue the experiments which had
been carried on from day to day. With regard to the latter
pert of the boa. sesinthes question, ea to whether facilities
would be given to menden of the home to wither the th-
perinients, he is stay say that if any hoe. member came
down to dtheelinrynew he would be glad to give hint a card
of ra
and be was sure the Wtheise would also be
glad to aced kiln *very Wilily.
THE ENGLISH POLICE IN POLAND.

Mr. HENNERIY asked the fleentari el err for the
Bone Deferrer for the name of the agent reared to to
the followa( paragraph of the Russian ansbasader's letter,
applying for the services of the English police in Poland :
"The first step to be taken ahould be to allow Sir Richard
Xsyne to pet hinnelf into communication with a gentle-
awn to whose care the Goad Duke hasdirectirsod privately
entrusted this skier." Aod whether any money had been
paid by the Russian government to the English police since
ihe return of the latter from Warsaw.
Sir G. GREY said with respect to the first part of the
questiou he could oely give the mime sooner he gave before,
that the name of that person had not been communicated to
him, and he did oat koow it. With regard to the other
pert of the question, the general rule was that when an sp.
plication worn made for the services of a portion of tie
edon pollee if the application were granted it was allay!
on the cooditioe that 4e party making the applicatioe paid
the exposer. In this maths whole of the expenses area
paid by the Russian government, and be had no doubt that
a gratuity was peid by the Russian gevernirent. Nathan
bed been paid eat of the police-rote of this country.
Mr. HENNESSY—Had not they their pry while they
were away ?
Sir O. GREY—I AMU think swan
THE EMMEN IN pill HOUSES OF PARLIL.

YBNT.

Yr. C. BENTIRCK asked whether the C adagios ce
Trimerree had made their report.
Mr. COWPER mid the Flee Arts Cornminakie lad year
Isetituied as ivory as to the decay in. Wooed in the
fromme aid pendiap in the upper wediniphaD, end
a slighter degree in some of the other frescoes la that
/readiBg. The gentionten who made the 'equity
loristad of some eminent conseimeura, who united
• moths/ acquaintance with fremerpeinting with a
lieowledge of art. They comided of lir. audio,
te.erl.4Estasegs, sad Mr. Orizahisr Parry, sad ma the imam
of the decay might pordbly he found hi the AMMAR** of
the mimes of chemistry, the miloent Amid, Dr.
Damen, wee aesocided with them. Many mums were
vaggested to them, and they comidered every illigalik•
that was made to them, bat were unable to arrive at a
natidadory Geochimica the Fio• Ante Osesimarios had

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now brought its 'shows to scoot:denim, and ft had made its
final report, which would be proseoted to the house shortly,
and therefore they would not be able to amid farther in
endeavouring to solve this problem. The 13:10Dfly voted Inv
fresco paintings would not in future be upended on frescoes
punted on the aims method as those in which this decay
had unhappily occurred.

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THE GALWAY PACKET SERVICE.
Mr. BAXTER roes to move the following meantime :
" 1. That in the opinion of this house, in eases where ordi-
nary traffic supports several lines of stamen, the pelmet
'Mem of graouoc subsidies for carrying the Mae-oceanic
malt to be • with. 2. That this house is not
pis, to grant • sum of money to the Atlantic Royal
X. mails
Company for cooveying the mails between Galway and
North America." The boo. member thought it high time
that the house should make • stand against the extravagant
I system which had come into use of granting postal 'Midis&
As I/Merchant carrying on business with distant countries,
he had naturally • deep interest in seeing that our totem-
anthem with foreign parts were as regular and as speedy se
✓ossibie. All his sympathies might therefore be supposed
in be is fevour of liberal subsidies ; bat he had also • dity
to pe- forte sa • member of that house • namely, to see that
hr every great that was made the country received full vales.
He did not approach the question from any mere theoretical
point of view, and he was not prepared to my that, under
all circumstances, subsidies might be dispensed with; on
the contrary, he must freely admit that the great ocean
steamship companies could not have been established or car-
ried on at first without aid from the national exchequer.
What be maintained, however, was that the amount of the
subsidies might Dow be greatly reduced, not only without
detriment, but with positive advantage to the trade and
commerce of the country. He could not help seeing
and declaring that if it were wrong in the late govem-
meat, on an insufficient inquiry, to give an unknown
company • contract for an ocean mail service to carry
the mails on an ocean where it was not required,
what could be said of the conduct of the per
• government? Was it not more wrong after all
the concerns of the company had been elucidated, to
continue a delusion and to confirm • job I (Loud chem.)
He had heard it rumoured that this contract had been en-
tered into as the price of the support of the Irish members.
(Hear, hear, and miss of " Name.") He did not believe
that report, but he did say that the renewal of the contract
by the government, with such information as they had
before them, gave strength and colour to • report of that
kind. He was entirely'', • loss to discover why this treasury
minute had been issued, if it were not to provide against
the exigenciesof the moment. On this point he begged leave
to quote the words of Lord J. Rana on the 30th of May,
1861—words which were still ringing in his ears. The noble lord
mid, " And with regard to the Galway contrite!, I my that
rather than make any concession on that question, it would
be better that ten ministries should he defeated. It would be
better that ten ministries should be defeated and the
Home of Commons ten times dissolved than that such •
stain should be mat on the government of this country.
And when I say it would be better that ten ministries
should be defeated and the House of Commons ten times
dissolved, that is a consequence that could not be avoided.
Oa the contrary, it is a consequence that would be brought
ea if any government of this country should act in so pro-
fligate a manner, because it is not to be supposed that only
one part of the United Kingdom im interested in this nat-
ter. Galway coarsen might spring up in other parts
of the United Kingdom, sad if ten or twenty gentlemen
bound themselves together to defeat one minister if he did
not yield to their wishes, new ministries would experience
▪ attempts to make them stoop to similar degradation."
These were noble and stirring words, but they were soon
forgotten. (Hear.) What he wished to impress on mas-
hers of both tides of the house was this, that although this
78,000 f. a year might be, as the Times called it, • paltry
and contemptible sum, yet when given for political mama
at the instance and premium of • certain number of mem-
bers of that house, it was improper and unconstitutional is
a government to pave the way for • practice which, how-
ever common in the capital of Washington, ought not to be
tolerated in • British House of Commons. (Cheers.l He
was informed he could not divide on both his resolutions,
He considered the first the most important of the
two, but it was not pressing, as it could not come late
operation till the termination of the contract in 1867. He
should therefore move seen amendment to the motion that
the Speaker leave the chair the second amendment which
stood in his name. He entreated the house to take •
coarse which, however paltry and contemptible the sum in
question, would teach • lemon and establish a principle
which would not be forgotten by the cabinet' of Eng-
land in time to come. (The boa gentleman sat dem
amidst load cheers from both sides of the house.)
Mr. HOESFALL, in seconding the resolution, said that
after the able and practical manner in which his honourable
friend dealt with the question, it was not necessery for him
to add to his statement ; but he was sure the country
would be greatly astoeished at the coarse the government
had taken in granting this contract after the very strewing'
manner I. which they opposed • similar contract made
by the late government.
Mr. GREGORY opposed the resolution. He contended
that • government, in encouraging the establishment of
=ix of steam-packet commoication, was promoting
t national intrude. The Galway Company were
=fully to carry out their contract ; and Ireland,
as much nearer to America than any of the great
English ports, had manifestly a right to • share of the
messy exploded in misting enterprises of that description.
Mr. BENTINCK said that the boo. gentleman who had in-
tredweed the subject had express' his surprise that there
@head have been acts of jobbery oa the part of two govern.
mats, sad hie hope that In future there woad be no re-
newel of such practises. He could not share either in the
lining of surprise as to the past, or I. the hope
se I. the future. A study of the political
history of the country had amiss:aid him that there never
had been a government which did not job, and he believed
there never would be a government that woad not job.
itgliter.) He looked upon the Galway imbody ea having
been is the first instance what is commonly Wbed • job.
16 was a job in the sense in which every government has
tbitheretofore, and every government will job hereafter;
• wasteful and indiscreet expenditure of public
raw for the purpose of making political capital.
The &sago that took place in the rates of postage
ems yam since were, he believed, ill advised; they
linesited • small portion of the public at the expense of
Its pea mass of the people. The poor man who wrote •
latter ramps once • year, derived but a small advantage ;
while the mercantile community reaped • largo benefit.
The effort of granting saladdies was exactly similar; and
he meted the day was not far distant when they would be
sanely disooationed. Them who had mission to correspond
with America should pay whatever was required to enable
the earrespoodirios to be transmitted. He admitted that the
question was one which should be dealt with cautiously,
and that oars should be taken that no injustice was doge to
these who now held 000teacts. In the meant case, however,
no injury mad result except to the 27 shareholders who
had been spoken of, who were not Irish. He hoped the
bowie would affirm the resolution, and that they would
thereupon enter into • discussion which ahould lead to the
doing away of all anhaidiet. (Bear, bear.)
Mr. WHITESIDE, in oppmrg the resolution, insisted
as the dreamless which Ireland offered as • point of
&portant for America, and on the undoubted right of that
isometry to receive a share of the money expended in those
steam-packet contracts. Upon those two ormidieratioas he
&ended his advocacy of the proposed subsidy to the Oalway
Company. He believed that both the late government and
the remit goveroannt, in the 0011[10 they bad pursued
upon that subject, had been inflamed solely by their
sense of justice and of public policy.
Lord PALMERSTON criticised the speech oI Mr. Baxter
with some severity, and observed that that hoe, gentleman
wished to make it appear that the government had
beta 'closeted by • desire to secure the support
of the Irish members. In making this accusation he
preferred • double charge—want of political morality
sod want of political foresight. He was rrizirisixi
that Mr. Baxter could not give the goverment it for
higher motives. The hon. gentleman did ant appear to
&permeate the fact that Inland did not poems those great
meal establishments which contributed se much to the
wealth sad prosperity of England; neither did he appear to
the oonsideratioc that Ireland had tar geo-
;era= claims to • transatlantic packet station. These
were the only considerations which had influenced her

Majesty's govs;aaseat is premising• reward Gibbs subsidy
W the Galway Ocsupsay.

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After a few words front General Urron, the house divided
on Mr. Barter's second resolution :

For going into committee
For the :violation
ASSASSINATION OF RR. BRADDEL.

Mr. WHITESIDE rose to call attention to the einem-
' stances connected with the maessiaation of Mr. Braddel in
July hat in the town of Tipperary ; and to salt for an ex.
planatioe of the conduct of the polio*, and of the coarse
taken by the government in reference to that trausaction.
Mr. BAGWELL stated that the transaction had occurred
exactly as bad been stated by his right hon. and learned
friend. Hayes was a man who wee greatly disliked by the
pmeartry, baying been instrumental in many ejectment' ;
ad it was mast singular that having committed the murder,
be had walked in open day from the inn door, and had never
been seen or heard of mime. There were a great many per-
sons who would be most *axiom to catch him, and one
policeman bad been distanced far baring omitted to do so,
but his belief was that no one had ever seen Hayes slam the
murder. It was a minder fact that although the murder
took place on Wedmis&y, so telegram waa sent to any of
the seaports until the following Friday. There would have
been no diffirulty, therefore, in Hayea's pit* away. He
had 371. in his pocket, which be had tendered to Brad-
del, and a ship sailed from Querns/toes on Thursday.
The failure of justice had bests complete, for out of 100
mimes committed in Tipperary, only 57 of the criminals
had been made amenable. The fact was, that the Anon
body of men in Europe had been made incifffereet soldiers
and bad policemen. (Hear, beer.) Chime was committed
almost with impunity ; and mitre the goveranseat made
11011211 change in the system, they would be guilty of the
lives of the people of Ireland. The polio* ware encum-
bered with rifles which could not be need against a mob,
and a sward-bayonet which got between the legs of the
am if they attempted to ram Rea," sad s WO.)
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