The Express.
London, England, 1863-03-24 00:00:00

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ASSURANCES REGISTRATION (IRELAND) PJLL.

NAVAL AND MILITARY.

In answer to Mr. WHITE:SIM
Sir R. PEEL said he did not intend to propose us. mooed
rending of this bill till after Easter.

ADMIRALTY, MARCH 23. APPOiliThErTs.—
Surgeon J. Andrews (A), to be deputy inspeetor-general of
hospitals and Beets on the retired list.
Lieutenant J. Hawkins, to the Pandora.
Chief Eagineers.—S. Madden, to the Indus, far service
in the Ocean ;J. W. Steil, to the Indus. for service in the
Pelotas ; and C. Dickson, to the Asia, for service in the
Hector. . _ .

POLAND.

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Oa the motion for going into fo,oll.itts of supply,
Mr. HENNESSY. who bed given notice of his intention
to make an inquiry of the government as to the nature of
the obligations with respect to Poland involved in the
treaty of Vienna, prefaced his inquiry by some observations
upon the state of the insurrection in that country—of
which the recent news del not lead him, he said, to take a
disheartening view—and proceeded to argue that if Russia
bad violated the treaty of Vienna so as to inflict injury
upon the Poles and to endanger the peace of Europe, there
was, superadded to the bare right to interfere (which bad
been admitted by Lord Palmerston in a late debate), •
moral obligation. He insisted that Russia had violated the
treaty no as to entail those consequences, and that there
was, therefore. a moral obligation binding the British
government to interfere by diplomatic action, in concert
with other powers. He asked, in ronclution, whether, in
the opinion of the government, such moral obligation did
not exist.
Lord PALMERSTON—ffir, the boo. member has given
notice of a question which was very short and simple, but
he did not give notice of his intention to enter into • die.
satiation u to the relative prospecti in Poland of the
Russian army, and as to who are in resistance to that army.
I will not follow him throughout that dissertation, nor say
anything that will imply an opinion u to the probable re-
suit of that contest. Everybody has an equal
means of judging upon the subject. When the
boo. gentleman, on the former occasion, mooted the
question as to the obligations of the treaty of Vienna, I
understood him as implying that there was in the treaty of
Vienna an obligation on the part of Great Britain to make
war -to interfere forcibly in the affairs of Poland. My
answer wu that there is no such obligation : there is •
right, if you see fit to exercise it; bed there is no engage-
ment entered into by Greet Britain by that treaty which
imposes on this country the obligation of interfering by
fares to give her interpretation of the terms and arrange-
runts of that treaty. To that interpretation I entirely
adhere. I maintain that that is the just exposi-
tion of the effect of that treaty. I said
that where a treaty between different powers
does not contain any express stipulations to guarantee ea
the part of any or all of those powers any particular ar-
=gement established by the treaty, there is a right upon
etch of the contracting partial to enforce those arrange-
ments if it should think fit, but there is no obligation to
do so unless it is expressly stated. Bat the hoe. mem-
ber shifts his ground ; he talks now of moral obligations,
and instead of there being • moral obligation to interfere by
force of arms, be, by the quotation he has made from •
despatch of mine to Lord Heytethury, @bows that tbeinterpo-
sition which wee then intended was a totally different matter
from that which he urged on &former occasion. He quotes a
despatch from myself to Lord Heytuburr, in which I say
that the insurrection being over, and the Russian government
having re-established its authority in Poland, 'his Majesty's
government would, in fulfilment of the obligations cm-
! Meted by them by the treaty of Vienna, proceed to repro-
seed in friendly terms to the Emperor of Russia considers-
' tins as to the arrangements' which he would make on the
establishment of a temporary government in Poland. That is
a very different obligation from that which I understood the
bon. member to argue on a former occasion. That
obligation was fulfilled in the sense in which it
was quoted ; because the British government did
make thou friendly representations to the Emperor of
Russia, urging upon him what they thought was fitting for
the Emperor to do, both with regard to the obligations he
had contracted by the treaty, and with regard to what was
jut and right towards the Poles themselves. In that sews
I accept the interpretation of the hoe. member, and
when the proper time shall arrive to lay before thin boas*
the papers, showing what has been done, and what is now
doing, I trust the house will see that so far as there is any
obligation on the part of the British government to make a
friendly representation to the Emperor of Russia on
behalf of the Poles, that duty has been fulfilled.
Now with regard to the question as to the am-
=mislaid.= between the governments of France and Great
Britain, with respect to the manner in which such represen-
tation should be made, I feel sum the house will be satisfied
that it would riot be useful, even if it were fitting, that I
should enter into details of what is now passing on that
subject. But when the hon. member reproaches her
Majesty's government, and me especially, for not having,
during the Crimean war, consented to agree to a proposal, if
such • Dropout bad been made, to transfer the seat of
opentiona from the Crimea to Poland, I think the decision
of her Majesty's government was the only rational and
seasible decision that we could have come to. The war
began upon • Tartish question—the war began for the pox-
pose of preserving Turkey from invasion and attack bylitusia.
We were, in concert with the French government, engaged
in securing the independence of Turnkey. The war began
with a quarrel between the French and the Rimians about
a Turkish matter. The French began the quarrel ; there.
fare France was not the party to ask us before that security
bad been attained to relinquish a common enf pm and
to embark in another undertaking which was totally mean-
sided with the origin and cause of the war. I contend,
therefore, that we acted wisely and properly in saying,
" Lets soomplish what we have begun—namely, the pro-
tection of Turkey—and then let us see whether there
is any ground for opening a fresh dispute with
Russia as to other and wholly distinct matters.*
I my that upon that onisaion we were justified in the come
we pursued, namely, in continuing what we had begun, in-
stead of suspending operations in order to embark in • totally
different matter. With regard to the still more early period
of 1831, there were as that time considerations which in-
duced us to decline to enter into obligations which might
had to very serious difficulties between ourselves and
Rosie. We did make the representations which the hon.
somber has cited, and though usfortuoately they were not
'waded with the effect we wished, we did all that we could
diplomaticaly do; and I beg the house to bear in oiled that
the boo. petleman now coalmen his interpretation of the
treaty of Vienna to this—Qat we are ceder an obligation,
as far as Poland is concerned. hoisted'', diplomatically on
the part of the Poles. 81r, I am convinced that we have
dome oar duty, and I trust that any effort we have made
will be found to be attended with favourable results to the
interests of the people of Poland. (Hear, hear.)

—Asa;tont Eogineer J. Turner, to the AA* for Manias is
the Hector.

—iifee;i:it. Q. Craigie and W. H. C. Doraville have been
nominated W naval oadetahips.

CHATHAM[, 'Lima 23.

The Royal Oak, 34, 800-horse Po—wer, got up
steam this morning, and proceeded to the measured mile at
the Maplin Sands for the purpose of testing her rate of
speed. The weather, which at starting was very fair, sud-
denly became overcast and exceedingly hazy, rendering it
impossible to make the trial. The frigate was neeordingly
tried in making the circle, two of which were accomplished in
5 minutes 23 seconds and 5 minutes 6 seconds respectively.
The engines during the trial worked exceedingly satidao-
torily, the screw making 52 revolutions per minute; pitch,
27 feet 6 inches ; diameter, 19 feet 6 inches ; load on gaiety
valve, 20lb*. The trial was next made in starting and
stopping the engines, which was effected in exactly 6
seconds from the order being given. At 2 o'clock the
frigate dropped her anchor at the Nom, and should the
weather be favourable, will resume her trials to•oacnow.

COMMAND PAY OF CAVALRY REGIMENTS.
Colossi NORTH moved that the boom would on the fol- '
i day resolve itself into a committee to oonsidsr of an
lt=e address to be preseeted to her Majesty, praying
that she will be graciously pleased to give directions that
the same command pay shall be granted to Akers command-
ing regiments at cavalry as is sow gives to officers com-
manding swimsuits of iefantry.
Sir G. C. LEWIS promised that he would consider the
question is the mem, and unless he saw gamed in the
meantime for altering hi views, should he have the honour
oI in_zij the estimates, he would propose that the change
by the boo. sad salient member should be made.
esel NORTH expressed his obligations to the right
hon. gentleman for hi reply.

THE ARMY RSTIMATES.
The house then went into a oommittee of supply upon
the army estimates, resuming the conaideration of the vote
of 966,3661. for manufactunng departments and materials
for the manufacture of warlike stores, and of Sir H. Wil-
loughby's amendment, to reduce the item of 36,8711. (part
at tie vote), for establishments, by 2,0001., the sum attached
to the office resigned by Sir William Armstrong.
After a long diecturion, in the mune of which Sir O.
LEWIS expressed him intention of altering the system of
inspection at the gun factories at Woolwich, engaging that
the change should not exhaust the whole sum of 2,0001.,
the committee divided, when the amendment was negatived
by 94 to 45, and the original vote was agreed to.
The following vote was likewise agreed to :
838,3691. for military store establishments and expeodi.
tare for warlike stores.
On the vote of 810,941/. for works, buildings, and repairs
at home bed abroad,
Mr. BAXTER moved a reduction te the rum 'eked for
fortifications in self-governed colonies of 10,0001.
After a long discrossioc the committee divided upon this
amendment, which was negatived by 76 to 43.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following yoke were Om agreed to :
172,2011. for military education.
85,4411. for surveys and topographical department.
88,1351. for miscellaneous Novices.
213,1771. for administration of the army.
23,9331. for rewards for military service.
77,7821. for pay of general officers.
464.8961. for pay of reduced sod retired officers.
172,1571. for widows' pensions sad compassionate
allowances.
32,8431. for pensions and allowances to wounded officers.
33,7761. for in-pensions.
1,142,7021. for out. pensions.
144,9644 for superannuation allowances, do.
32.7861. for disembodied militia.
These concluded the estimates.
The report of the committee of ripply was brought up
and agreed to.
The Marine Mutiny BM paused through committee.
The Mainly Bill was reed a third time and passed.
Oe the report, certain ameedmente were nude in the
Tobacco Duties Bill.
The house then, in committee, reamed the consideration
of the claws of the Telegraphs Bill, but little program
was made when the chairman was ordered to report p
Sir R. PEEL, in moving the second reading of ther°l4artodri-
patios (Ireland) Bill, explained its object and provink"ati
te make meeination compulsory, admit the law of Ire-
land to that of England.
After some discussion, in which objection" to the bill
were urged by Mr. Bagwell, Sir R. Grogan, Colonel Desna,
and Load Naas, a motion was made to adjourn the debate,
which was negatived upon a division ; but ultimately the
debate wee adjourned.
The remaining business having been diaposed 01, the hove
adjourned at 10 minutes past 1.

The following notice was issued from the General
Pai-oSeeyraturday :--" An ar= nail for St. Thomas I West
ladies) 'WI ho mode up at this odd* as the morning of the
sh26tlg foal, for eneroyanee from Southampton by the steam-
ip' Tyne::
Impaling tea without colour on the leaf pro-
vosts She aloes. passing oil Interior brown lama as to the
owl k.ada. Bonus= s Tea la asaeloared therefore always
pod ada said la packets by IMO upsta.--(naverelmmoot 1

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 24, 1863.

midable, and, regarding the question in the ladies' point of
view, some of the prettiest and most attractive of dogs.
The first thing that strikes the observer who is not
initiated in the mysteries of "the fancy" on passing along
the broad, roomy, well-ventilated avenues, on either side
of which the several chimes are tethered, le the extraor-
dinary high prima which are marked an the selling value of
certain animals. For instance, in the class of fox terriers,
1,0001. seems to be the average price of the priacipal
favourites. Bloodhound" sage from 151. to 5001. Deer-
hounds, amongst which there are indeed one or two of the
most beautiful dogs we have mot with, are marked
at as much as 1,0001. each. Pointers, in one or
two inatances, figure at the same aristocratic sum.
Setter" stand at as mach an 500 guineas ; retrievers
at 1,0001. ; one Newfoundland, a znagnifieset animal no
doubt, at 1,5001. ; Mount St. Barmaids, of which there are
several splendid specimens, at 1,000/. ; bull terrime, at
1,0001. In the claws of bloodhound', Skye, Dandle Din.
moots, blue, and other Scotch terriers, Blenheim and King
Charlee'm spaniels, Mellen greyhminda,French poodle*, Pufitt
black-and-tan terriers. Some of these were of infinitesimal
proportions, one of which, pointed out as equal to the
destruction of whole armies of rids, being only 21165. in weight.
There are 'tome very perfect and valuable dogs. The
show of bulldogs is peculiarly good, both as regard. number
and quality, decidedly the beet specimens being those ex-
hibited by Mr. Brown, of Hampstead-road, who, as one of
the judges, is excluded from the competition. At the pri-
vate view yesterday there was a very crowded and a very
fashionable attendance. We shall probably be enabled to
give an mourate list of the principal prime to-morrow.