The Express.
London, England, 1864-07-08 00:00:00

Tirg WWI, FRIDAY EVAINING, JITLY 8, 1884.

He deluded the coded ofeti L
it
ord Baabtiens s at the seeferma,
' and aide complabet of ntigem tandem-
! tiona. After • digestion lute the Polish qualm, and a
spirileditithek epee the opposite Maw with referents to
that q he remarked that, although
o... Dam
had abega=from avowin • policy, om his party, .
Peel, bad dated, staid teed vat elmiamm his manorial
was as ether the, amit POUR,. Se h...freed thimambee
for Rochdale, in his speech, said that he would support
goverment, biome after all they wen te dike. - The
hoe. gententaa the seeks fee Hoene= upbraided him
for his atatomma Mame he mid the hot member for
Rochdale coodemeed the policy of the government, but said
be would uovertheime vote for them. This reminded him
(Mr. Lased) of a heti:wield anecdote. Charles U. ma
ones told by his brother James. " Brother,rat
sue joialt
to massisee you ;" whereupon Mares 11. "I very
mob doubt, brother, whether saws will me
to put you in my Moe." (laughter.) Thek he
was the feeling of hit hoe. friend the member firrlM
dale. H. (Mr. lapel" was messehed to hear his boa
friend my there was no dilemma !pewee& the
two pasties In the house. His hoe.
the peat rise is the prosperitytril
ntsed. of
He said the in twenty-0n years the trade of
the country had increased mon than in the preens 1,000
years. He appealed to be hoe. friend whether the plata
men he maw around him had sot has partly the me d I
that prosperity—(cheer)—whether they had ad gives to'
England some bandicoot logislatioe—whether they bad
not maid themselves of the great ability cd his hon.
friend himself to promote that legislation? (Ohmes.) Had
not bon. members opposite takes • line in regard to the
United States which mast have hem teat distutidal to his
boo. friend? Had her Majesty'. gemmed not premarved
mace with the United States? Should they not at that
moment have been at war with the United States if they
had beamed to the threats which cane from the other
tide ? (Oh, oh.) If there was so atiefeetio• at kakis( at
the pest, let him ask what the Ware might be. If hoe.
palatial app rte came has power, they said they world
follow exactly the sane policy the parent goversmat had
followed in Danmark. (" No, so," and laughter from the
oppositim) They said, " No," but he understood their
objection was lot to the peter of the government, hat to
the manner in which it was awned oat. It would DOW bs
understood by the country that boo. gentleme opposite
would sat follow the play of the goverment. How
were they committed as regarded America? It was wham
not right to refer to what took plies *needs the immediate
&remained them, bet he and others had ease therein aid
anxious faces of those why were looking few the overthrew
of the government ; and why? The very maned the gees
demon opposite were in aloe rams would go out of Liver-
pool. (Loud cries of "Oh, ob," sad cheers.) They bed
committed themardne to that policy. It might be very
distasteful te them to bear this truth ; bat their highest
legal 015040.11111411 who would be Attorney-Omentl, if he
did sot hold • higher aline, had committed himself in that
hones to the policy el the ram ("Oh. oh," sod Quatice.")
That was part of the question. He eked what great crime
Earl iteasedi had committed to induce the house to reject
the ministry and pat hon. gentians@ opposite in their Moe?
He did sot mean to my the noble lord might not hennas.
' mitted ems mistake. (Hem bear.) He Sr. Layardmdr
ad .
not admit that he had dose so ; hat let him ask say
gentleman who had had to conduct such arduous an re-
call negotiations whether he could not look beck and el '
that he might hays does 40010 Chirp better tan he bad
done. He boldly said that daring the whole of this period
the noble lord had done his utmost to pre-
serve moderation in Europe, and to enserve the
pesos of this country, and if he had committed any mistakes
they were so infinitesimally mall unot to be compared
with the great policy he bad tarried out. Was it by advo-
I eating • policy of peace, and by an inclination towards
moderatica was it by remaining faithful to treaties that
the honour and inflame of this country had been lowered
No. Bat be (Mr. Land) would tell them bow the edam
of this country was lowered. It ins by the speeches they
I had heard from the other We of the house ; it was the
telling forega leverameate and foreign peoples that we I
were bombed and degraded ; it was, to IMO a 4104•0100
*nemesi', by fouling oar own meta (" Oh, ea" end
laughter.) It was by telling them that as English Weida
and as Eaglet miaistry could be found ban,
land cowardly. It was that which lowered the inflames of
England in Rama. They might memo the ministry,
bet heentrimed them aot S. degrade the coustry. (Mean.)
They said they meant simply a vote of want of eindidsees
in the government. If that were the ma why sot with-
draw their neelatiou and alter it? Lst them remember'
that the resolution, it carried, stating that the edam of
the country bad bees lowered is Europe, would be branded
oe the records of the home for ell time. sad here-
after it would be said that his noble treed sad the
rTiernent had
kordEareis.the liate inttit7r7 cried that
such was the ease. He looked with oaeldecee
to the verdict of the boom tad the country. He could
and beliee, having shown hew Lord Rummell bud be
ton
represented, misundantood, and unjustly accused, that they
would madmen a statesman and • Maker who had sac. I
toast ally laboured, boned d other moo, in spite of threats
and appositioe, daring a period of unparalleled diMealty aid I
danger, to seams to this country the inestimable beatings
of pesos. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. G. HARDY observed that nothing could exceed the
used by the right hoe. manta for Stroud
rillsearnir as to the effect of the diplomatic eorrespoes-
, data of Earl Retell. He said that not only in Europe,
but east, west, north, sad earth, oar diplomacy was looked
upon with sorrow, derision, and contetopt.
Mr. HORSILiN—I said the was the remit of oar diplo-
macy last year in Poland.
Hz. HARDY—The words tithe right hoe. geltlema
feared to our policy in Camay. He said 'We wen
looked upon es • race of bullies—we were willing to bully
but never to fight."
Mr. HORS AN—The word " bully " never came oat of
my mouth.
Mr. HARDY mid he quoted from the report d the right
hoe. gentleman's speech as it appeared is the 7nta. The
right hoe. gentlemen took • very extraordinary comer. Ha
wes struck with the Antiballistic cheese with which some of
his Merriam .as. greeted by the small bead sitting
behind the maiden It &peeve', however, that the right
hon. gentleman had treated theta as a meter would Mat
his meal which was in disgrace. (A high.) Tb. right I
hon. gentleman, however, obtained those cheers became be
mad hie speech with • promise to vote for the wormiest.
When they got that they bed got everythieg hens hes they
wanted. The right hon. geetleame mid the oppreitioa were
repoositele for what had tam pleas—that if they objected
to that policy which was being pureed by the goverment
they ought to have interfered sod prevented it beige carried
out, and sot have allowed the opportnaity foe doing so to
pass by. With • sort of dignified banality whisk was
almost touching he sdadtted Ise bed neglected his duty fa
common with other members a that cold, dab, apathelis
parliament, and said," Let as all forget what be. bees
dooe, let us give the ministers the beef& of the ma* I
Now, thine mar was a member of the boast fitter to so
deal with the question. The right hot gentlemsa meld
not compromise any party, he could not compromine any-
me but himself. because • man more aimed did not exist
in the house. Anyone who remembered the bitter laagesp
which had fallen from him with respect to the oceapaste
of the Treasury bench knew that he was eat shy
in attacking them, and yet although Inlaid we were booed
by the viand 1862, he was emping tampon seminary
who had abandoed the integrity sad isdependeace al Den-
mark. (Cheers.) With regard to the Deao-Germaa pipes
the Undsr-Secreary said that all members were in mem I
sae of them by the tat Munch. He gave the bet goalie-
man an opportunity of correcting that statement, bat be
would not be corrected. What was the real feet ? Os the
18th March Earl Russell stated, in reply to the Earl d'
Ellenborough who wished to bring forward • motion on the'
subject, that he trusted he would, on public grounds. post- '
pone the demotion mod all the DODO,. were 00 the table- I
(Cheers.)
Mr. LAY ARD—I maid nothing of the kind. (Cries of
" Order.")---
.

Mr. HARDY—The hon. gentleman has aged langtho
with respect to gentlemen ou this side of the house which
dose no audit either to him or to the government which be
represents. (Opposition cheers.) And now, when the hoe.
gentleman is convicted at a miastatemeet which he made
is the hearing of the hoer—wham he made this calumnioge
statement--((vies of "Oh, oh," followed by opposition
cheers.)
Mr. LAYARD, who war received with lend cries of
" Order" from the opposition beeches—l rime to order.
move that the words of the hoe. (*oilman be takes down.
(Hear, hear.) I refer to the words " calamitous state.
moot." (Cris of " Hear, bear," " Oh," and " Chair.")
Mr. HARDY—If I am out of order I shall be very—
The SPEAKER—Thais did eat appear to me to be say-
thing calling for my haterfereace. (Vociferous cheers from
the opposition.)
Lori PALMERSTON, who wee received with loud minis-
terial cheers and counter cheers, followed by cries of
" Chair" sad " Order," said—l rise to order. I apprehend
that it tea fundamental rule governing debate in this i
that motives shall not be imputed to members. (Crre.
" Hear, hear," and " Oh, oh.") I appeal to you, air— (re-
newed cries of " Oh")—I appeal to you whether, when
one member imputes to mother that he has made a *alum.
pions statement—febeere and 00101er cheep)—it dose not
imply that he made the thatenteot with a motive, namely,
that of distorting the truth ? (Cries of ••'Order." sad
"Chair," from the opposition benches, amidst which the
noble l.,rd gave way, and resumed his seat.)
Mr. DISRAELI—I also rise to speak upon the point of
order. I oodeistand, having listened to this debate, that
the Under.Seeretary of State for Foreign Attain charged
gentlemen on Shia side with falsitioatioe. (Loud opposition
cheers.) Now, gentlemen on this side, conscions that they
did not went that charge, but not wishing to disturb the
order of the debate, were content when the proper time at-
rived to repel the charge is terms belittle,/ the
accusation-(loud opposition cheers)—and with that
just sense of indignation which army English gen-
tleman would naturally feel ue&r such an
imputation. And, sir, I maintain—of coarse io perfect
defence* to your opinion—that the expression of opinion
that you have given hes clearly defined the position io which
the boom is placed, and shown that my hoe. friend sem me '
was perfectly justified in wing that language to which ax- '
option is taken after no unparliameetary and so iedeoorotie
en expression from the Coder Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs. (Loud opposition chem.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose amid I
load aka at "Order," "Choir," sad "Goes, Hardy," from
the opposition benches. He said --Cassia/wise, ear that
when the right hoe. gentleman opposite rose to addrim the
hones there wee Immediate silence on this Bide of the bathe,

!I trust I Pall le pseinitika he esy what l ham to my
Ili Wig as maim myself to the point of oilier.
hem patlemen, as I andentand found, his
jeediletties at what he just takes piece in plat of order—
(load arise of "Orieln as alloptisa made hy
Miaow lea. hdo lie Ileamßessetsey amassed gentle-
! MIS oppielle with, fetilinden. Mimeses and .mater
dean. r Nen, la the MI pin, I ma eel aware that be
did eo—(aim of "Oh, ob,"-from the oppootlim side)—that
Me iilleplicom imereet pokt of
and
Ball pirmit rats to
say, that B digested, wit* WON seed by my boa. fined—
whisk I desist admit, lessme I am at consehma of it—it
was the duty of gentlemea who tbellebt this disorderly to
do that which ham jut heed dose by my hen. triad. and
call the attention of the boob end tho chair to the
it the moment whits the wards were sponse. (Ohms.)
I apprehead lam safe in LaSercsitowa that a brach et
urder..-mooli isms mere of a ham& of order
ootamitted .by me "posher, net justify • sithempent
02441 in violating lb. nariialLardeZ• (Loud an" of
:14111 ) I lope it will be
culawly °!=aani hapnlatiom of calumudoes
itatentiate at IS sat to be hiscalerwmi within the limit"
4padiasetatigr dimessies. (Obese" and mentor oheera.)
fin J. It ARINGTON—Br, I think it right after what
hailailei frees the right hos. gentlinsen to state that I
myself humid—sad I may say heard with Mains of deep
ladignstion—the word " labilicatioa" from the lips the
I Lratier Beentery. (Oppoeibee ehein.) I myself mid at
the aceneat mows the boom, that the wood wan too had.
And that if the Ma. palliasse is to be &Bowed to
moue teembers on this side with fabiliation, we ham a
right to an that word "calumnious."_ (Cppositioa chews.)
Mier homing all !bat has pared, I believe that fog, air,
hare mud met properly.
Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE—I rho to speak to the point
of weir and to ache • very remeolfol and moderate appeal
to this bowl, and Ido se, sir, la ort of yom just
authority. on, Sir, havbg been sppeaW to by the hon.
gisetlesean (Mr. lagard), and !mint laid dome the law,
which you dad I. 7our alma candid stnightforward
member, I must port it be the home whether Ira are not
imperilling one fast Mimeos to the affairs of Bence,
sad of this conatry If, what yea hare given year desisioa,
that the speaker, whonse he may be, at either Bide, is
in order, the sable lord or any other caber ef this
house is to eet up sod dispute year declaim lad 'macaroni
to mends it. (Opposition cheers.) Seek, sir, is not my
idea of she way of premming order, and I am surprised that
the leader of this house should eadeavour to bring your
authority into dimple*. (Eseswed oPpeeitioe thews )
The RPEAKER—I arc sure that the boa. member for
Leomiester is the last man in this hew to impute ISOtiVIS
to say honourable mamba. (Hear, bear.) Cortaialy
the debate his been a • nitres and exciting
one, and I should it would he
putting the house in a falai position—that heated language
on one ads should be • jortibradon foe Impute paring
the bouods of order on the othie side. Any impairs(
motives wen his. member is Mary to the Mile 4 this
Imam (Hear, heir.) Whet Me pima in the explanation
of this matter has in some degree altered the case in my
view. It appears to mo that Isegmap which rather weft
the ordinary inks of debate boa been mod ia mown
of similar language having hem geode um of pewnaely.
Now the deb•te las bees • heated ai ; but as it was going
en it did sot appear to me that them was my neosesity
foe isterruption a interrelation. (Load opmeitioa shwa)
The hoe. member for Leomiuster did not, I am sum, intend
to impute motives—which would be unpailisimataiy—in
his statenseat Under the eiraunstiaoss of the come it does
sot appose to me nememuy that I should interior*, mud
after what has oosurred I do trust that the home will relent
to a calms that, although the moment is an
entities ose, Bo ou anther aid* will be used which
poems the jut pre 4 debate. (Herr.)
Br. LAT ARD (who ices amid loud miss of " order")
mid—l wish to exams my regret that I was misunderstood.
I aertandy did not me the word " faleilleation" as my own.
I quoted it as km* Pea used by another. (Loud arise of
Name.")
An Hos. Mims —The Chancellor of the Exchequer.
(Ones of " No, so," and " Hear, bar.")
Mr. LAVABO matinued—lf the boa. putliman aomptal
that as ae ingialatim ca my pert that hi wa pally of
taleilliatios, I beg to offer him my apology. (Hoar, beer.)
HORSMAN—I wish to speak upon moths" past
of ardor. (Odes of " oh- ad " The bon. paths-
man Me member foe Leominster, a few minutia ago, hold.
Mg in kis bends the terms of the maim of which I pre
notice in Yank-(sibs of "corder," in which the re.
maiodar of Me stannous was lost.) Let him give the terms
of my motion.
Mr. HARDY—Mr. Speaker, I trust that neither now nor
upon any other commion shall I be wanner in respect for the
"hamster and dignity of thin home, bat I cannot help saying
Shit on the diet night .f the debatethe league. used by
the Chancellor of the Eicheiper—(oppontiou "biers and
moot«.

_ ,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I rise to
order. (Cries of "Oh, oh," and "Moir," amid width the
right hoe. gentleman resumed his east.)
Mr. HARDY resumed—Withest Hunting motives lethe
siOt hoc. gentleman or the hen. member (Mr. Layard),
what he moat to ley, ami what be mid still ma, that the
uprose°c that things had bite faLified on that Mit of
the how was a calumny by whomsoever it wee
uttered. (Opposition chem.) He did sot impute motives
I when Meads°, that was tot raeowasfy. A ealruney might
be spread without the person repeating it bong inflow:seed
by motives to injure or depreciate the party affected by it.
The hes. member thee cooteeded that this was the first
time the loom was in • °audition to discuss, upon the
autheeity of the official documentm, the foreign polity
al the gewsamoat, and that the speedos ea that side of the
hose' did not, as alleged by Mr. leyard, advocate wanHe
27:rarmiewed the traimetious asheusent to the mouth of
her, 1862, out of which, he mid, the real question
arms, tnvallinss through the correspoodeme, ounnewiting
se be upon what he termed the meddlisg policy
of Earl Boil, and upon his ieseasibility to the
rebuffs he met with. He issisted shot the lan-
guage of thia earl WY threetentsg, and had hem
vpdereteed in that light, aed that it was evi-
dent that Europa to • late date expected that England
would interfere. Even after the tonniestios of the roofer-
mom the words of Lord Palmerston announcing it termies-
Mon had a memo, in them, &bowing that the Imam bad too
ggetaanrea~tss for • pesos policy oa the part of the goverment
Bofors the coefermise tt would have bees far batter to have
left Des nark to make her own terms with Gummy ad
the eonterence, which was colv formally &cosigned in by
Frame, was entered into without • heals. without • =..
Ho maintained that our internieddlieg in foreign q
which had destroyed the reaped mos felt for thie country
is Europe, sad thereby lowered it. Moms, had, by para-
lysisc he seems of mediatioa, diminished the securities for
piece.
Kr. 13ORSM AN said be had to apologise to the km.
member for intemspting him when he athibated to him
the Navies that the Dermas were a set of Utilise He
sever bad that senthemit in his mind, sod he did cot find
in the report that it wee attributed to him, but he had mid
Wows is referesee to Poland we had taught the Germans
that w• could bully bat would mot fight.
Sir L GOLDSMID should have yeas difficulty in sue-
pertieg either the maim or the armedmeat. He agreed
that the goveremot had dose perfectly right in levities the
co-operation of Prime and Bosch spies* the invaidoo of
Denmark ; bat if that image* tae an ant of high-handed
oppresioo he did not me how it was slimed, as some bon.
nmeibere seemed to think, by the fast that the Dams, in the
ember part of the quarrel, mightlime shows some perverea-
see sad obstinacy. At the same time he wes willing to
concede that, unties her Majeity's gmeniment could ware
them-operation of Frame sad they were right not
to interfere. The queotioo reedy was, had their policy been
skilfully earned out? la his °pinkie they held out distinct
threats so Grammy which they were sot prepared to make
good. (Hear, hear.) If he were oonipelled I. vote aye
or so for the nutlet of the right boo. gentleman he should
certainly give it his support ; for he could not deny that
her Majesty's smarmiest had attend threats against Om
many Mitch they were sot prepared to carry out ; sad that
the Scat influence of England bad on that account been
lowered. (Opposition them.) Hot the amendment of the
has. member for Bridgwater, though he could not for our
moment acme to it, came opportunely to extricate him
from his embarrassment ; for it woold enable him
to vote against the origieal moths without support.
im the anieedineot itself. The hoecomble messier
(M Hardy) had talked of swishing tato the lobby
afterr. the hoo. member ; bat his ewe course walla he per-
featly straightforward. He did not wish to see hos. as...
bee queue take their places on the ministerial lissehes,
became be approved more of the demesne policy of her
Majesty's p Beat advisers than he did of theirs. As to
foreign policy, bow wu he to choom between the two ? The
meant government bad bad four important questions to
deal with—those of Italy, Poised, America. and Deems/h.
As regarded Italy and America he thought their coons bad
been characterised by admirable ability and rooms
but as regarded Denmark adPoland it had
been both unsatisfactory and uniutocessful. Whims.)
But then oonsideriog the past, ocataidesing what hon. gm
Menus opposite woe likely to do, he oonsidered their.
policy to be;.. iaconsistest, that it would have bees
attecided with an equal amount of failure. (Oppositim
groom)

Mr. BEN'rINCB said for his part be should be glad
to see say discuadoe or the result of soy divining is
that boons which should have the effect of putting an mid
to the "liberal " foreign policy of this country. (Men)
It appeared to him that it bad been the cures of this
constry ; M believed it had been the eases of more mischief
than an thins *lee that had happened dozier the last 50
yeen. He confound he should be glad to see our Foreign.
Mike under the control of the predecessor of the
snide earl ; and he thought that Lord Halmos.
bury bed been very badly used by his colleagues.
(" No, so" from Lord .1. Manuers. followed hr laughter.)
la former times, when fiaglaad ruled the destinies of the
world, they beard monism of the penny wise end need
foolish policy of lin. eantlemea opposite. (Hear, bear.)
He trusted that °facial gendarmes in both sides of the bone
would be deterred by what pared in this debate from pro-
faning in future expedisecy to principle. (Haar, Lear.) He
made that observation without alluding to any side in par.
titular. (Laughter.) He hoped that at no time sod under
so cirenuistanose would the house or the nanny allow any
rem to bold the reins of government who were not deter.
mined to place the country in a position which would noble
her to defend her honour sad her %Weft. (Hear, hear.)
He should say but on word mem Winn the lest two
days a TUMOO2 prevailed that a compiet, or an
or aa inwangenriat had been entered ion by eettles
—that a ninon number of the ultranmetene party had
bus Wowed by very wen pram% by sore very

high nand* Hear, glee thsle
said ix Moor al the
oppo4iwidemerellyyties. ot
ted ithmrbizramf batigackwai"?Lranboor.)*LiWw4hichil.anywasmsh.
°sold my wei, thetto did ad believe Hi miaow. (Hear,
him) bottle hand benne lit it the miedesels at the govare-
gosat hall beau even to. thomend Moo Men* than then
of in patiesso who nit ea hie aide et rise boon mew
than be in • majority so esemated he shoo kt vole with the
ileig."tifin"thwit beinyeddiaid.(l74tbhk:Nzwushouldesnie'lldsle"' .iwit*gliguipgrambe*llinipei? tettagilmen. wi:intarthsta.a).
pasty. i"Ok.") The nt Mid bust DIA
the truth or [Mho* of that rumour. (" No.") His boa
friend bebind him (11r. Smeary) said " leo" ; but in spits
al his denial, tf it was down by the divine list that the
norm to which he sainted wee well fended. be for cee
would not my the mini et those who had masened
such a ocalitioe. (Hem, ben)
Yr. COGAN thought it as unworthy of the M. mash.,
fin Noddle at of this home that the hoo.gentlemaa should
ham. MI moth se imputation se be had dm on soma of kis
brother members. (Hear, hen.) Or that he Maid m-
ime to state that the vette which they miOt think At to
envoy indumord by aiketbn maims ftin • nose d
wait they *lined be ht. (Beer.)demandmi from
the bon, member for Nod , as a matter of right, that he
should stab to the house sad to him, in jollies to btmself
and to the boom the nans of the &anent, co which be
made that Memo% red if he did not produce that
authority he (Kr. Cepa) mud beat it as " the idle wind."
(Hear.) But be asked kin as a matter of sight to rodeos
his authority, la order that the tumour might be Mod to
the base fountain bead from which it came. (Hear, Mr.)
He (112. Cogan) nedintood no distinctness in that house
between Roman catholic, and prenntaate. (Hier.) Hewasa
Roman canon, and he was proud of bingos& ( Hen ) Bat he
tome to that boon as a politician and a British unblock
and it ma unworthy of the hon. member for Nod e& to
dem its manikin under toy religious *oda (Hear, Mr.)
There were two partite is that hoer—the nonnative
tarty sad another party, who wore called, but Dot
truly mild, Libra. HIM, bear," sad laughter.) He
was proud to ha clamed mongol the tibial members of the
boor. Na, Maim year he had sunned his pndboo in
the house, be hoped with honour, lad he would not bike
any Inn or charge, or whatever it soht to, to pose with-
out thei axpreenon of his Wiped, Mid and eking for
this authority on which it was me* (Hear, bear.) He
should now state the grounds of the vote whin ha should
give oo this oreasioo. On this mono for the Mt Moe,
it was his puled duty to sever himself from many of
noes fries& with whom he had aired for may
pant He should vote spins, the government, be-
cause he *Med that their conduct in regard
to moot negotiations was totally wrung. (Hen, hen)
Mr. PEACOCKS said that although nearly every hide-
pendant mambo who had taken part is that debate had
Moons* the policy of the govenuoent, tbsy had when they
*Deluded Mir remits stated that they should vote for
them. Thee goveromant would dooldlast not be ungrateful
to those hot. limbos for pursuing that enures for he be-
lieved they would have the pietist possible namity for
OM votes. (Beer, hear.) TM bon member for Sean
wan had talked of the dangerous doctrine d nationalities
—dangerous to that crank which nimble* smog its
poises inn Inland and Wales ; but to that new-fengled
and daegerous doctrine • British minister had emoted ; end
K his contest rested ea that aloes he richly deemed the
*ensure of • British parliament. and therefor* he should
support the motion of Om right hoo Ittatkimeit the
somber for Backs. (Hear, ben)
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL mid it was natural to
suppose that non who were called upon to attend their
conduct would look with sone anxiety for the moods on
which that minuet was seamed, sad the tome et adios
which would be penned • by nose who coasered it. In
doing that they would derive some instruction Dm the
mime which the abate had tam, and the wonderful dine-
gem of opinion swoon them who had criticised the
policy of tho premien, and their ideas et what
the policy of the government ought to km bona.
It was saki that the goverment ought in some early stage
ef the negotiations to have Mid the Dasse that they would
sot under any circumstances go to war. The boa. member
for Horsham, sad other members et tht opposition, took a
stem *me with to to Poised, and mused the
germ:omit to make a remonstrance to the Engrave of
Rum ; but his hon. bind said that the governmiot
spoils all the effect of the remostreines by stating, by the
mouth ot Lard Russell, that they were not pang to war
for Poland. In this cem, howevor, the goverment were
charged with misconduct is not informing the Deese and
Girmans thAt they were not seise to war for Dimon
When • pest natam was eadiavotorke to do good and pre.
worm place was it the way to accompli n the object to fetter
itself by eappeseete eel deciaratiews that under no air-
Offle*oolll6 would she go to war ? It was *world* to
make such eepgemato, because no on, could tell what
eirmunstanoet might arise which would 'ossify her is going
to war. If they wished to destroy her representatim the
very way to do so would be to my that under no eircnin-
stances would ebe beck them by tome of arena. Such •
come never was takes before, end no aides of a goyim-
toed bad ever recoreateaded on a ooluse, and ampt for
the purposed founding some pond for cavil in the preen*
case, be did not think such ea assume* would have be..
brought forward. He felt sexime to clear as much ae
poselble the government in respect to a point which really
did touch the honour et the country, namely, from having
given • promise which it did not perform, mad holding oat
expo-Moos of help to Doman wink it did act fulfil.
Nothing of the kind was doso, aad the conduct of this eon-
try had been precisely sinner to that of her sins. flito
was se teatime and guarded is not inoturagtag expo*
boos of help, the hililintent of which was ascertain.
The home would recollect ante what difteultise these
mpliationa were undertaken. The Does and the Ger-
Wans were equally responds Sc. the difficulties and
Amery which beget tM quattim The Dines were anxious
to got rid at segagements perhaps unwisely entered Into as
to the separate oonnitutions of Slating and Holstein
sad Desotark. Their policy was directed to tin iscorporn
Ms of Si.,weg and to such ermagments with Hot-
stein as should as little as possible interfere with her
sathority mid power. That wes Datuml enough, but it was
monied to her eoppments in such • manner that her
departure from them must endanger the pesos of Euro*.
The Germans were equally reedy to avail themselves of ny
opening arising out of the affairs of Skein( to invade and
encroach ants the right' of Demoriz, and it was
the policy of this souatry to Moamar le me-
m& Denmark to fulfil Isse eegeg nesto. That the
Daiwa looked to the mietants of tha northern powers
micee than to united that they wen aware al their ponies,
end relied upon the Barman sokanamonns width
would aria* from their departure from their essageowata to
prevent • European war, was akar from an early despatch
wrings by Mr. Lytton, dated the 11th et March, 1863, in
which he said that it could not be otherwise than • matter
of unmitigated regret to all interested in maintaining the
dignity sad independents of the Danish monateby, that
the moot ealgant ef Copechagen had most 'Dad-
, maly refund soggestim of • • solo.
tic of the which me not lessstudio°.
lied than and he added that he
could not his goaeral 'omegas that
the reasons why atie rejected ths
had of friendly
sad seemed delennised to plant Moen in °pea con-
Slit wit► the federal powers, were sustained by the cootie-
lion that Denmark is a geographical neceinity to Western
Europe, and that in the *set of hostilities with Germany,
legland, or Pranca or both of them, would be compelled
to amen by toms of area, the indepandeoce end Integrity
that monarchy. A gnat deal bad been waded the spin of
Lord Palomino on tbs Wed of July lest, whin he stated
that in the use of • war, Denmark would oat be kft alma.
What were the °bromism* ender which that stamen
we made? A few days biers the Swedish minister in this
musty, Count Wachtmoider, ermentunicated to the govern-
most • note that it was their intention to interfere in Moos
of Deomark, and that there was actually • deinsive treaty
being drawn up between Diomede and Sweden, and it was
to that principally that the speech of the noble lord
refined, aid a despatch was written by Lord Roma to
lord Bloomfield, our anibundor at Vienna, that Donlan
would be Normand by Sweden and therefore it was quite
true that at that time it appejed as if them was • power
which was aboot to i Moment in carrying ou the war. He
could not believe the opposition serious in their sassy.
tie. that we had excited false hopes. If they were
anions their belief would not bays found *prosier
la the present motion. (Cheers.) He was mink
to gunderstend how the opposing, effecting to be all
for pm, and being in mend* of the despatches on
the 3rd of March, should ham bees cootont to wait and
merely watch the coarse devote. But although the em.
duct of • government might be called into quickies, so
foreign goverment would comsat to release mono from
eurapments merely home another party in the state
thought Min unwire. In the oyes of Europe this county
was bound by the ads of its government as
seta, and if them were soy breach of b,
ciiilloreby:dgisuviropinen..
rittcwimusel:mbertneenththirstatbctolLaymog.theiet immtwerewasi.
no eogsgementa, sad this im as merely brought for-
ward for party purposes. (Loadmot chweers, and WM of •'Oh.")
Tho whole of the papers *mining the supposed engage-
ments were in the hands of members on the 3rd of March.
It might be patriot* in an enmities to await the propene
of events is order sot to impede • to be pew
pared to applaud the government if th y mooed, or to ems-
sure them Easy did not; bat was omitted with
patriotism to stand by and do nothing when it was alleged
the bocoar of the country was being oomprom ised ?(Cheers. )
If they thought **goverment ought to have go* to war
slier France and Runk had declined their on.
operation, tb• prop., course would have been to have said
so immediately otter the despatches were laid on the table.
A new light had broken in upon hon. gentlemen in
the muse of this debate, end now they thought the op-
portunity &good cm to displace for pasty nappies tbe
mining. They had net r•dected on the effect on fridge
mooting of casting imputations of dishocour and of bed
faith, with rapid to engagements which, if en to
at all, were not the *gapes** of • party, at al her
Majerty's ministers. Hs said that muse wee not a course
worthy of my great party in this country, (Cheem, and
" Oh, oh.") It was not • course which he belin•d the
hem would Mom; bun( this he wag
it would be for Mourn* and reeeparetaimm=B6""hat
them, men if they Maid fail after having amend,
to preserve the pane at Erma, thaa to Messed
power by snail themselves el the notes et
aed lumina( bombes of Mk whoa there were ecomett
meet my that tomes surprieed at the differeat woe Wooled

by the right boa. geodsotto (Ha Dioutoin towards hie own
ometry sod towards Imam Not s reprepeatetion woo
made, so advice woe gimes by her Majesty's givereseret
thee wits not eves by them ; dews, at NH emote, to
the math el Jaamey is this y Huth sod
limes. Ras&iod mese pertieshey,thoses yd flat
ed
be might 2
ated by eiremee to Irks
la favour of Dembeek spin* Geemsoy.
Mamma their woo rearms for set richer[ Se their Idler
doe, but this opeotre had dens all is estid fee
asleep It were prepared to light a,p tie ire otplwasr
manilas Europe. If they meld Isom had the emistesse et
FtlDOll sod Rands they weroprepored to Mee dews it, sad
the oily memo wh they thepridat over wee besasse Preece
sad Hersh login their old ; sod yet the coadost et
Frame sod Boas was deemed to be hoooorside while that
at this opeohy 'Pas mid to he the oppoeihr
was well that Tomes sod Bad& hod act hies boobs,
that all the eserels of their sardsislisties were sot
the gabfest of pohlasateesteks. Perhaps if tM hied they
'night and ciders in those cosstries who nibs be equally
as reedy to ewers their goressatent se gestiesses oppo-
site were to warm the germerome of this eserstry.
Well, parliamentary govermaign had so doubt its same.
times, for the sake of which we were prepared to pat up
with ceders ismememenors. The history et impqrteng ao
pdatioes cooducied howdy lied in good faith was hid
before the country. Than had sot hem a incesenial re-
sult ; the causes was beyood their reshot ; they
rested with other nodose and set with 013114111111,
and for these mama, sad bemuse it might have as
effect as the poetics of polities' parties, armements
were offered to the boom had' to thew that the bottoor
of this country had been ' sod its fest inflames
dimishbed. lie believed that the bosom et this emotry
did sot depecd as erne deader fousdatious. H. behoved
that the only way to maintain the inDuenoe of tide country
woo to do right, to advise others to do right, to keep to their
segagemeath and net to ester into ; sod
whatever might he the verdict of that house stthe peewee
moment, he hit movismed the& the verdist ed posterity
would not eschew the Limitations wide had bees seat es
the government, sod through them as the esestry, sad
which were the arthrtay of the argorsogn ia ampere et the
resolution. (Cheers.)
Lord J. MANNERS said they were sow impeeashing
the termiusthe ot the third sight X this debate. sad, so fez
se be knew, arty one indegesithi member bad yet
✓ims to mantels the policy of her Majesty's geveramert.
He thoeot that the Chsreellr of the)Deshoquer wh be
mewled that Baptised bad last soprestige, amid Lien
st it was
merely in obscure Treace newspapers that the thaws
could be f oasd—le thought that datemert saseaneed
almost to audacity. They had bees told that so pre-
mier bad hem made to Dmanark. The Chamellor
of the Exchequer had said that after the W-
isp of the seedral powers bad hem weer-
tioned, so thresh we made use of. But he (Lord
J. ilsonen) mid that hog after that discovery the moss
determined threat of all was made me if in seusamaing the
Clamp& lei to the Dowse. (Hear, hem) No theist after
January I No premises held out to Deemark I Why what
were the mode of the aide lord the Seentary foe the Ad.
mink? I. reply to tic right be. member for Dmitwich
he said that the Cheesed fleet was Dearly oomph* sod
ready for any IMAM Os the following day these weeds
were interpreted is the City article of the new as
a threat which, althoogh slightly dimming the toads,woo
yet received by the pub& wish 'moral istiatsetion. Would
anyone say that snob Legume was sot a threat to lie
Germsa powers, or what was more important an emourage-
meat to Denmark ? (Hear.) They ksew' 1901110Ter• that
the riding of 7O pounder was ordered sad carbine's( every
&meiotic.'" made. The Dasisktcccitterapreted this into
sappoftapd hoped at)last. tos
ere :kssd.
.I,lmi in th
you ke.Belve tat
vied le mas op
hy to messed Is action in this quarrel?" He
would reply by miseries the house to the me ant of *oar
at which the government could bout, and for which they
hod doubilese before this asked pardon in the proper quer.
ter—he roast their °Deduct in the Trent affair. (Hear.
hear.) The result of that bad bees to ahoy that a firs,
temperate, petissiardy. decided policy led, out to wilt but
to pesos. (Cheers.) He feared, however, that we
should live to roe the day, ere with rimed
to America, whoa the government of that country disco-
mired bow impolast wen our threats. (Seth hear.) Be
believed that the spirit sad rani of Eaglood were se high
sad as resolved as ever. Only hit them ream frees their
mem ho had obtained office co moditions whisk they
had sos w
aad England would mph' her pristine
name, fame, sad glower— woald become sees moo the
moral ballpark of the opposes& spinet the eeelor, sad
roomer her wasted Musses ia the conaml chambers of
the world. (Others.)
Xr. OfiBOXNE moved the adjourommit of the debate,.
Mr. G. ONBLOW, ia mooed* the modest said be eon-
Wend that the goversesent had navigated the ship Omagh
the breams with consummate skill (Load &dive Mein.)
It wee all " bosh" to say that the lost indoemes of this
OOPStry had bees lowered abroad by wird had tithes=
os the °Dadaist (Laughter.) These countries who
as harm had been disappointed sad " sold." aid he thought
that the government deserved not comers but prates for Qs
clever manner in which they had slipped the neck of Enka
out of the mare which had bees contrived for her. (Renewed
laughter.) Omeitheing that this was a gemlike am X war
or peace, hat Of party eat plaint—(thsess)—he should asp.
par, the gewarsaaast. (Load c0a...)

PARLIAMENTARY LAM:MAIM-DECISION OP
THE APPAREL-ARRANGEMENTS RESPECTING

TRH DILUTE.
Mr. HENNESSY (who wag noshed with swim eh=
rid that Ware the debate was ad)oursied be
to call she sitestica of th• house to a metre
effeotia as mob of abatis, So that house sod the decl-
aims of the their. (Hear, hoar.) He (rod that the boas
viscount at the heed of the mernmeot, on the IT* al
April, ISO, in esidressag as hors. used air weeds. He
rid that after what bad bee. said. every irearblo men
most be maraca& that the cthathes rade by the hes. mem-
ber were "fete sad calunsthoms,•
(Opposition arm)
Who was the boa. armorthas Wined le ? It was the
boa. gastlemsa the Rader fiessrary for Neap Affair.
Otenewed opposition cissming.) The soar amount was
called to order by as has. pa demea who ass est below
the gangway, and the presest Speaker rabid that the boo.
visoosst was In order. Oteaewed appositive thaws, sad
miss of "Read, reed ! ") Mr. Reaseryprosseded to mad—
" Mr. (Away called the noble vlsoount to mdse. The
Speaker; Wlst I nadentood the sada lord to say wag,
sharps made by the boa 1•11,0 bake
calumnious. Visooant Palmsnam Sir, I repeat whet I
wee about to ray. (laughter sad aria) The thieve
were utterly fere sad ashassimae--(litrater sad arr.
isig)—ersd yet (sontinned Mr. arrissa) Use tams noble
lord who sod, hawse &deemed to the him 11101MINPf
for Southwark, had vier that rare sot 'sly to S.
order an hon. member as that side of the hoer who had
need a similar, sad or. ea antra phisse,but to call in
qoastioo the arias dlllB Speaker a W. Mere of Cr..
moth (Oppoitioa ahem)

Viewed PApIZISTON—Sir_, I apprehend that apes
the monism led oat by the Me meshes those Mom
wire not sad el charger made by my boa. friend, bat wen
applied to Merges made by same other perms. (Chew.
end cries of "No, no.") However that onay be, sir, I Wiggly
bow to that or say other Whim whisk may be made by
you. I rise Welly for the is the AM pima, of
asking the right Yea. tsatia.ew the umber far Busks
whether it is the ideation of himself sad of three
who set with him that this debate shall sad tomenew. I
Wick it desirable that the home should know whether the
debate is to Ind tomorrow sight, or is to be carried over
till ilooday. (Boar, hoer.) I usdetstand the general ho-
ned= to be that it shall sad tomorrow ; sod if so,
oda* that the first order of do day is for ming isle ems-
mines of y sad that it is competed to hoe. members
to node notices span that wilco, I shoed
loops, if the andersiandiag is that this debate shall be em-
ended tomorrow, thatgentl who ham prollsti-
mry amino will allow that who babe mode se a seatter
of form, without whin say preliminary radios, no that
the debate may preened at sa early boor of the swim.
(Hem bear.)
Mr. DISRAELI—So far as I have here able to coiled the
fasting of the home I Whom it is their wish that this debate
should be ocooluded tomorrow. (Hear, lbw.)
Sir W. JOLLIFFS said he bad • Betided motion on the
paper, whiub, wader the airewastmoss, he would ceased
not to make.
The &bad me adnaineed and tomarrow (this day),the motion of Mr. Worm. sa
CRANBOURNE-STREET BILL.
The above bill peed through committee.
The ladeadity 801 l was reed a third time sad passed.
001:121111 OF arISTICE SITE BILL

Mr. 00WYILR mowed the meowd readiag ef this bin.
Sir J. SHELLEY objetted to a chime is the bill by which
Terople•bm was to he kepi sip by the City. He described
Temple-bar as 01111 at the greatest 'mimeos, which existed.
Mr. LYOt,N moved the adjouromeat of the debate, os
the ground that it wee wiemeetsd with the mosey bill which
referred to the same object, sad that both ought to be ooti-
*Mend together.
Mr. COWPER said that the bill would be referred to a
select eotomittee, and at coons it would sot bs proomded
with it the ether bill was set pawed.
It was them read a second time acid referred to • Said
committee.

The lodic Stacks Transfer Act Amendment Bill wan rend
• third time and prod.

The Pilotage Oicler Coolirmation Bin wax discharged, the
subject beim Wand to a select cotoraittes.
The lale of Pau Harbour Act Ameadmeat 871 passed
through committee.