The Express.
London, England, 1852-06-30 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, JUNE 30, 1852.

rid with foreign government' on statements which were not
warranted by the facts. The whole cormpondence was,
now fr 'Ore the house, and the home, with- • the 'lightest
could Odra at as fair • lc.' ay the

was AMU this act of oppression was not founded as arty law
of Austria, er on religious grounds; but purely
oa ptgided owdOerations. (Hear, hear.) It might
.bejr, suppmed, Elam reading the papers, that the
Austrian was • very Intolerant government. This was
not so; for there were three millions of protestants In the
empire, and whims the majority of • pariah were pro.
irritants, the protestant church received the stipends of the
state. It was evident this had not arisen out of religious
feeling, but rather from the course this country had of late
pursued, particularly in reference to the Hungarian re-
fugees. (Cheers.) That did not make it • matter on whirl
the government of this country was less entitled to demand
redress ; but he hoped, now that the tbrelgn affairs of
Austria were administered by Count Buol, that more
courtesy would be shown to the representations of this
government. Ile believed that former officials had been
actuated by a spirit of resentment, founded on a mistaken
view of the course taken by this country. First, in re-
spect to the affairs of Northern Italy ; and had Austria
adopted the views of this government on her possessions
there it would have been much better for her own
interest, fur those possessions added nothing to her
power, though they might to her extent. (Hear, hear.)
Had arrangements been made for rendering the northern
kingdom independent, an Ito extend the Tuscan states to
Ancona, it would have contributed to the peace of Europe,
without lowering the dignity of Austria, by confining her
dominion to the territories north of the Alps. (Hear,
hear.) He could not concur in voting for this resolution,
thinking that it might interfere with the carrying out of
more prompt measures by the government; but he believed
great advantages would arise from the discussion, in the
impression that would he produced abroad. The proper
ground of complaint for the British government was, that
these British subjects residing in Austria, guilty of no
offence against the laws or society, were expelled harshly
and summarily, and thereby subjected to harsh and severe
suffering. (hear.)
Mr. PLOWDEN explained that he had counted out the
house on this motion when last brought on, because he
thought it of too much importance to be dis tied when 40
members were not present. Concurring with the views
expressed by Lord Palmerston, ho hoped the motion would
be withdrawn.
Mr. HUME considered the tone adopted by the present
I Austrian foreign minister showed • desire on the part of
the government to do justice.
• Lord D. STUART was glad the discussion had taken
place, and thought great credit was due to Mr. Anstey for
his perseverance. Ile paid a compliment to Lord Palmeri-
ton for his able conduct of our foreign affairs, and remarked
that it was since his retirement British subjects abroad had
i been exposed to the persecuticn of foreign governments.
After a few words from Sir H. Vistrrev,
The motion was withdrawn.
EXPENSES OF ELECTIONS._

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Oen f they wens Puy hia bor. lie thought ChM seder
Steak eireasistanees thy would net feel justified in soloing
the violent resolution promeed. It WAS neeesouy for
him to make one or two remarks respecting the other ease.
flha repaistion alleged that Messrs. Wingate, Smith, and
Idward had been arbitrarily. expelled 'from the
Austrian dominions under circuastautes involving
musk sacrifice of property and other hardship to
the sufferers. With respect to the sacrifice 'of property,
it was very easy to make • large demand for compensation.
They remembered the case of M. Pacifico. and the large
sum demanded for his furniture. Here was the suite kind
of thing, but not to the same extent. There was a demand
for furniture to the amount of 4721. Of course no govern-
ment could accede to such a charge without investigation,
and it appeared there was a doubt whether the furniture
which was sold was not sold under very advantageous eir-
eamstances ; rind no person could doubt that the original
demand was of • very exorbitant character. Lord West-
more land took great iuterest in the affair, and he found
Maul( in the painful position of having nude claims which
could not be substantiated. 011 the 17th Juno Lord Stanley
wrote to Mr. Moody Stuart, transmitting an abstrac tof the evi-
dence, and asking what he had to say against the truth of this
evidence, but not one single line had b..en received in reply
to that letter- Ile considered that Mr. Edward wee treated
even with gentleuess. lie travelled from Lemberg to
Vienna, merely on his own impulse, and ho left the coun-
try without being actually required to do so. Under these
circumstances he trusted the house would reject this (-so-
lution, and by rejecting it, express an opinion that the
present government and their predecessors in office had
done their duty, and that the Austrian government had not
been wanting in good feeling in this transaction.
Lord PALMERSTON said, ,it was evident from these
papers, that the discussion to which they related, between
our government and that of Austria, was not yet completely
brought to a close. It was obviously ueces,ary that
our government should present the papers as they were
on account of the approaching termination of the
session, and therefore they might be perfectly right iu that,
though there were points connected with the matter la
dispute which were not clearly established one way or the
other. One point was what was the loss, if any, sustained
by Messrs. Wingate and Smith, in consequence of their
expulsion from Pesth. They claimed • certain amount,
herein stated, so the amount of their loss. The Austrian
government, in their recent confmunication, bad assigned
reasons why, in their opinion, no loss had been sustained.
'the answer of the parties had not been yet received, and
upon that point therefore the house was not in a fit state to
judge. Count Buol also, ho must admit with • feeling that
did him honour, offered to pay the whole or a portion of
the expenses incurred by these missionaries on their return
home from Vienna, provided they were willing to accept
it. To that offer no reply had been given, and on that
matter, therefore, the house was not in a position to decide.
It appeared to him, therefore, that the resolution proposed
by his hon. friend could not, in the present state of things,
be agreed to in that house ; and he should, there ore, re-
commend his hon. friend to withdraw the resolution. It
contained statements which were true, and he should be
sorry that the house, in declining to agro:s to it, though it
could not be called on to assent to it, should negative asser-
tions which were founded on unquestionable facto. It
seemed to him, therefore, that the best course was to with-
draw the motion. At the same time, he thought his hon.
faked and his hon. and learned friend in who
behalf he had made the motion, were entitled to
the thanks of the house and the country for
selling attention to this matter. lie thought there
was nothing more advantageous for the maintenance
et , as well as the extension of due proteetim to our
follow-countrymen abroad—there could not be anything
more conducive to these objects than that questions of this
kind should, if necessity arose, be brought under the con-
sideration of that house, because it was of the utmost im-
portance that foreign governments should know that if
they acted arbitrarily and unjustly towards British subjects
in their dominion', even if there should be a government
in this country not disposed from any reason to press the
nutter earnestly for redress, that there existed in this house
a determination to discuss the matter, and to call on the
government of the day to show on its own responsibility
why redress had not been obtained. Ile was hound
to esti that ho thought a mast unfeeling tone bad
bees adopted by the British government throughout the
whole of this correspondence, and he was bound to way that
he did not think that the blame rested with her Majes's
present advisers. They found the matter launched, audit
wen Milkult for them to set it right. There was one thing to
be learned from this correspondence—namely, how impor-
taut it was, not only that that house should take cognisance '
of these matters, but that the public also should take eogni- '
✓asa of them. (Hear, hear.) He found it hie dully in
slitidmatnicatiag with a deputation which called on him
when Is seas ha dice on the subject of the course which
bee SONO Severnment should take with regard to Hun-'
etria imiteres In Turkey—he found it his duty to say that
=honed* area from public discussions on subjects of
set. lie said if government were disposed to do their
duty they were strengthened by ezpres-inns of public opinion,
butilf government wereshrinking from their duty they would I
be revelled to it by an expression of public otsinion, and ho
be thought it would seen from these papers how the action
of the government had become more energetic in proportion
'as them subjects were discussed in various porta of the
country. He had said that the whole course pursued was
much to be regretted. No one could esteem more than he
did the public and personal character of his noble friend
who represented our government at the court of Vienna,
and he was sure that that noble lord never would listen
clonally have fallen short of his duties, and he had said in
ono of these despatches that he would always act to the ex-
tent or the full effect of his instructions. If, therefore,
his noble' friend on this occasion did not entirely do
what he (Lord Pslmenton) thought he would be disponi to
do he was inclined to attribute it to some restraint imposed ea
him by those he was obliged to attend to. Bat thugs per-
sons, Wingate and Smith, had undoubtedly len tress
cruelly treated. What was their ease ? They bad resided
for ten years in the Austrian dominions, with the full Mew•
ledge and permission of the government, in pervosal sow
munication with the highest authorities in the provisos is
which they were. They pursued their calling in open day ;
they had a school, if he mistook not, under the very sum
roof under which one of the high authorities of the stake
resided. In short, without the slightest disguise whatever,
and by full permission and consent of the Austrian governs
meat, they were pursuing their vocation, when all of a
sudden they were ordered to quit rho country, and
at the shortest notice, and at the most inclement
semen of the year, when in those parts of Europe
Itravelling was a matter of the greatest difficulty, even for
men, but for women and children was almost impossible,
sad, is the sera of one of the children of one of theseAgen-
dlogaseis bed kw attended with severe suffering. Well,
thug vessieed Ibis order without any cause assigned to them
why the ease was given. The justification afterwards
given war that Hwy bad been violating an Austrian law.
It might Web= expected that that would have been set
forth in the emminmications made to them. Persons who .e
soaduct in seem sweet was irreproachable, against whom I
so penis awe say sort or hied was alleged, and who
Men Ord harshly found fault with, one would
bays at least have had cause assigned to
them for embet. If they were unconsciously, as it
trot be esseetri they were—if indeed, it were !lg.-violat-
ing no Angleton law, it was to be expected they would bare
beim odd Orr were deka Iltat which the law did not per-
m" BMA Soy must abstria Hem It is future, and that if
they did est atietabe, iltraultrulebe magi be compelled to
susreisoAh• power Mast 'powswell of sending them
ewer. that esmotreesked bean made to them no
jaa{eitrgletre NEM hive against the Ans.
Nut
Nest fee ilbisalarthey had continued
sees wt. HAW, lido =Bent, nor this
bone. nor the esseisy, any fault with
Ibi Austrian goveraineat he de& Hut what was the
.LkL. a the law whkb it was almorted by the Austrian
ETZIIbad been made. In no part of them papers
III:d any statement what that law we, which these
efirtire alleged to have violated, and he must con-
ineredulons in that matter. It was mid that
larrbseoine the British government to argue with the
AMUR gevetantrat on questions of Austrian law. That
might et set be. He was not prepared to assent to
that paefpttliea Bet Ms he was sore of, that when
British sollosts ware sell to have violated the law, they
were entitled to • plain and distinct statement of what the
law was ; and, on the other band, what were the acs by
which the law had been infringed Now that did
eat appear in the present case. That being the
Mstsnorint of the matter, these two missionaries went to
I ler Majesty's ambassador at Vienna. They represented
that they were treated in the snot barbarous manner, that
they wore sed•red to travel night and day, and being ac-
issesemed to sea the arbitrary dictates of that government
Matted oat, bad obeyed without hesitation ; and all they
asked was, to be persaittod to travel by easy stages. Now he
thought that if Ms mak friend (the Earl of Westmoreland)
bad ado& by hie ewe impulse, he would not have con-
sonted to havossavored the humble petition thee made, I
but be wenkl have said, us What have they dons—what is
the law they have violated ? Point out to me the infringe-
ment," sad be would naturally have taken the part of his
hilow-ooluttrymen when they complained of injury. Well,
the ease was stated to this late government, and
be must say that the dispatch of his noble friend, Lord
Oranville,of Feb.l7,was one which he could not regard with
hidings of satisfaction. Now, he did not blame his noble
friend, because the house would well remember that when
his noble triend's predecessor was removed from office one
ed the meow alleged in that house was that he bad too
mesh seeiblease I. his own opinions, and was not eufli-
silently anise the direction and control of the then first
minister of the mew.. It was, therefore, very natural that
Lead Grenville should under these eircumstsnces of the
Feseige.ellke and being new in • certain degree to the
bulersee that department, it was natural that he should
have ed very much hia own judgment to that of others;
sad dip dew& to which he gave his name must be
ecieeiderea the despatch of the cabinet and not the
despatch of his noble friend. Ile never saw a
&spat& on such a subject so abject in its tone.
Had the remonstrance been ons by a poor slave against some
powerful Turkish heehaw it could not have been couched
in language very different. After referring to the facts of
the expulsion, the government admitted the right of the
Austrian government to exercise what degree of toleration
they pleued, and abstained from asking for redeem because
the subject" of other countries had been similarly ill-
treaten—leaving the question of redress to the good feeling
of the Austrian government. Without saying anything to
give offence to that government, the case might have been
stated in a way more likely to obtain redress. The present
government had taken the question up on the same ground,
but the AMID of public opinion had stimulated them to press
I foe redress with more becoming vigour. (Hear, hear.) It

Mr. STANFORD moved for a "return of all charges
actually made by the retaruirg officer, or by his deputy, or
by the clerk of the peace or town clerk, or by any other
°Meer employed under the provision of the act 2 Will. IV.,
e. 45, ofcach county, city, and borough in England and
Wales, upon each candidate at the general election of 14147
for such county, city, and borough ; distinguishing charges
made on such candidates as did not go to the poll, and at any
time subsequently at any vacancy for any county, city, or
borough, during the present parliament." The house had
lately sought to pat down corrupt practices; but every hon.
' member must know that the underlings of the returning
officers invariably made candidates bleed as much as possi-
ble. (A laugh.) He spoke nut in his own interest ; he
thought the less an honest man had to do with elections
the better ; and unless a man could side with one or other
political party he was better out of the house.
Mr. HUME said the legal charges of the sheriff were
very small. It rested with bora. members to see that they
were not exaggerated. It was desirable that some means
should be adopted of checking the-e accounts. (heer,
hear.) Members ought to be returned free of expense,
coming forward as they did to fulfil a public duty. (Hear,
hear.) He had made a proposal to that effect; and until it
was carried out there would be no remedy for the existing
charges. It would he the best course, at the ensuing elec-
tion, for candidates to ascertain what were the legal ex-
penses, and refuse to pay anything beyond. Redid not
see that there would be any advantage in pressing the mo-
tion,

The return was ordered.
It was ordered that the house at its rising should adjourn
till half-past one this day.
COFFEE.
Mr. H. BERKELEY referred to a memorial which he
had presented from dealers in coffee, and expressed a hope
that the Treasury minute would not be rescinded.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had
yesterday received • memorial from all the large coffee-
dealers
in London against the rescinding of the minute. It
had not yet been rescinded, and would not be so till all the
interests concerned were considered, including these of the
chicory_growers in this country.
H Mr. eME hoped that nothing would be done till the
new parliament had had an opportunity of expressing their
opinion on it.
After a few words from Colonel THOMPSON, the subject
dropped, and the house adjourned at a few minutes before
four o'cleca.

PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEES.
STANDING ORDERS ON RAILWAT BlLLS.—Yca-
terday a specially appointed committee of the House of
Lords, consisting of Lords Newcutle, Exeter, Normanby,
Shaftesbury, Hardwick., Chichester, Hawarden, Canning,
Itedesdale, Colchester, Sornerhill, Wrottesley, and Mont-
eagle, met to consider some proposed alterations in the
standing orders of their lordship' house, and more portico.
larly with reference to standing order HO, known as Lord
Wharncliffe's standing order, the object being to ucertain
the expediency of so far modifying it as to prevent the effect
it is at present alleged to have in introducing " corrupt
practices" in voting upon bills at railway meetings. Mr.
Denison, M.P., Mr. Ouch, Mr. Saunders, and other lead-
ing railway representatives, were examined. The standing
order in question provides that at any meeting of railway
proprietors the bills before them shell be approved by at
least four-fifths of these .present, for which number one.
fifth is proposed to be substituted. The inquiry originated
out of some transactions that have recently taken place at
railway meetings, consequent upon which their lordships
have called for a return of the number of bills in the House
of Lords this session to which this standing order applied,
the number of meetings held under it, and the number of
oases on which a majority was not obtained to enable such
hills to be proceeded with.
MIITILOPOLIS WATT' SUPPLY COMMITTII.-011 Friday
this committee, miter a sitting of between seventy and
eighty days, and at the termination of the 16,426 th ques-
tion, rose without concluding their inquiry into the case
of the Watford Spring Water Company's Bill, basing,
with the exception of the Wendle Water Company's Bill,
pared all the bills of the established water companies, the
chairman stating that the committee would merely report
to the house that they bad heard evidence on the Watford
Company's Bill, without offering any opinion on its merits.
RAILWAY BILL.—The Lords have agreed to the Shrews-
bury and Chester, York and North Midland, and South
Yorkshire Bills.