The Express.
London, England, 1852-12-15 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY

eosatrand commercial emerracies which might arise,
ier,
e should then be able io free commerce and ma-
ci• hre:s from all restrictions He should not trouble the
tu
Iwo. • f thee hut or ly add that he should TOM
aay increase of talatioa, against on Imo
• sea the appropriation of the 400,000 r., which
°Ltd to Item been applied to public works;
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bet if the eight hen. gentlemen' said that he did
soot intend to double the house tas, bet only to 'stood the
o lOU
f ',on why they were all of one mind. (Cheers
looichter.)
S,, E BE 'RING defended the budget in principle sad
mtS regard to meet of the details. He was for entire supsol
of the malt and hop duties; but would accept the contra
mat mit
j. (MAHAN( and Mr. Mllituote roes together ; and
Es 'illation being named by the Speaker, held his
The house, howem r, loudly called for Bit James,
;nd Me. Ill•Mahon, after • slight resistastee. giving way,
gm rigid how gentleman spoke as follows have to apo•
wee to the boa. and learned gentleman for interposing
Waive him abd the house. But I will detain the house for
m short a time as pomible ; sad I cannot proceed whloist
anpog that I shall r ndeavour to follow the eassiple of the
hw baronet who last spoke, both in the tone and the
,„,,,er in which he has addressed us. (Cheers.) I as
*slowly obliged to the house for calling on me ; but
glide I am never enabled to address this house with that
memo :Laity and silf.possession I should desire—and hating
with the grea.est attentiim to this protracted dio
I WO bound to say that the more I
his,. listened the more I am lost in mutation. (Hear.)
I base listened this evening with great care to my hoe.
frond the moister tor Monceau.. and I am sorry to report
that I .annul understand the view he is disposed to take me
• JeelliOn. (Laughter on the ministerial benches.) My
bon friend says that he is a great friend of direct taxation,
and yet he object' to the house tan ; and, objecting to the
L -se t&I, be is yet willing to diminish the exemption of
thou house t and to bring down the exemption from 201.
1,. 101. Imineelliders. Again, he says that he has the
gt,atest posallele respect for the public credit, and that he
to. the most SOWN desire to retain the revenue in a pio-
us tom sad ilmarishing condition, and yet he w willing to
pat an end to tt e customs and excise duties—to vote for the
repeal of the malt tax. (Mr. Hume: No, no; I did not
ray that.) I understood my hon. friend to say that he was
milieu to vete for the repeal of the mut tin, and he is
willing also to vote for the total repeal of the assessed
tine~—(cheen and laughter)—aud, although he would de
an this, he would only propose one pet cent. on property
„a intone, which he thinks would be sufficient to keep
hob with the public creditor and to ply all the expenses of
thou. state. Now, it is difficult to &scums a budget, and rape-
snap a budget so ample and so remissive as that of the
pee•nt Chancellor of the Exchequer. But the matter is
la more eomplicaud; my hon. friend has produced a rival
enjget, and, notwithstanding all the difficulties permuted
by the government in reference to the income Me, my
been. friend interiecU a mill more perplexing scheme
to proceed on the principle of capitalising all feel:Mee.
Bat there is still another ohetaele in our way
At the commencement of this discussion it was
guile:stood that we were to dime*/ thi whole of the
Isel,ret, sad that was to be the distinct Mau.; hut it seems
to ins that the answer given to the bon. and gallant gentle-
man the member for Westminster by the Chancellor of the
Etchequer h-is more or less changed that issue. (Cheers.)
the question distinctly was this—sball we or
mg, for the purposes of the present budget, consider •
dinar in the house tat is expedient? That change, ea
prep vied by the coverument, embraces both doubling the
xmiiiint and redoeiag the exemptions from 201. to 101.
t 5o•;. sad that was the nose which we were told by the
rummest we were to try. But the right hon. gentleman
the elating, if I did not misunderstand him, told us that
is us, no leogef of any moment that we should agree with
th, vermin, nt in reference to doubling the amount of the
t r.e tax—that it was only asked of us to soy aye or no to
the question or the extension of the area of taxation with
',femme to the house tax. Am I eurreet, then, in infer.
rum that we ale only asked to erwaseat by this revolution
to the 'suasion of the area from 201. to 10S. hostess, and
thane are not to dimwit' the queetiou est doubling the
amount ? (Chen.) I would very much like, before
pries .l further, if the right bon. gentlemen would say
stetter" in discussing this matter 1 am to a crow the wage-
bee ia that way? (Loud cheer.)

Toe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER —ln
awn•rmp thie rather informal q•eatlo•, I am, I hope,
sot preelelaie spiel( from speaking a•bsrq•ently. (Hear,
hem) The taeta are thear—• ho.. and gallant member,
enmmasieatio• with me, this evening made •
which had been made before„ that sufficient no

r eep:aint,
to of the measures of the goverment had sot been given
t • the country. and that suiest time was not being gillten
ti 1 bate th. it merits. Various representations In
permen Sumo opposite and from my friends on my area
nJr had been presinusly made to the same effect.
owed, in ronweur Dee of the goverurneut not having gl
&Laird time, and of there being, es they espreeed, a
Gamy part tuck's., the debate prematurely, that the proing
thine to do woulil he to adjuura the debate. Under then
termagants's, I did say they ought to take net, menders.
bee the position is shish the government WM placed. We
wire forced to bring forward then measurre at a period of
Le yin of course most inconvenient ; but there wester
the ambled wish on sue part to deprive the country of a
proper period fur cossideration, ors restrict the debate in
this house. But we did think, under all the circunteisse
of thecae, the has ought to have come to some rapid dia.
ruse eathe subject; end as I have said publicly te IM
boa. sad plias% Min'Jer fur Westminster this emulag„
there WY SO far as we were coacenird no objection to use.
row es moth as passible the wen on which the vote Of
the home shoal,' be taken, provided we eould have • vote.
I ask the right hos. baronet to look to the solution whisk
is before the hoses, sad w I. ich I refer to because my his,
frail the member Ike Mootrsso has said they if we sine
et wow we should &Per the *welsher. The right he..
bones will Swerve that the Stet resolution certain em•
Moe with respect to the assent of nit* ow houses, hut
that it dose coatain a meet important miscipie, namely,
that the area el the famines should be extended. (Loin
sieisterial era's) This beteg so, I naturally said that a
sot important tote would be taken on the first molars*.
Led that *gun Is the answer I have to give to the right
baronet. (Loud miaisteri.il cheers.)
sa J. GRAIRM then went on to observe that up to that
sourest the chute budget had been debated, mid the go-
o•reseat had staked their existence inn the sossineks;
as wee it possible to narrow the was, the ikons of Shin
aught mate a deficit of revenue. Its peerdai. drathine.
to dieters the whole Wessial sabson reviewing
t 1 principles open which it WM •••11611Witelln nal the MI&
Mr in which the three tarred@ elkied ft have brahrguni
by meat Impelatios were delis wish. SO Wes anardwit
the prospective views annosuseed by the sit•
tsetse that, stripped of the repeal of the rah tn,
the budget wet of as ordinary ebeneter. With nap* to
the dormer, he had invariably opposed a tansies of any
put of that tag, and he ammonia various reasons why MIA
retiree would be of little or no advent's, be sew
macro or producers. The hon. member theu proceeded-
-1 rid now, with the permission of the hose, pass as Is
soother topic on which I hope the country gentlemen wen
forgive me if I speak to them as a friend. (Loud cr=
"Oa -) I do not know why the landed interests ab
doubt my friend hip, hut if I despair of an woman* to
prove to them the temerity of my rootless, I at leen ban
greet reliance on their reason, sad I will pet the =MIN b.
Lre team with irresistible force. The pint to whieb 1 twil
Mist to refer is the Evanson'? Loot Comindoolsn.
at I rest be parvenus' to my that thou. I
have always opposed the trustee of local hardens to IP
iniorniated fund, yet it ever them was a palatal furl that
es. Ser•joll to the landed intoner, end if WIN thew
▪ i time elan it should be essiatained—that limed k the
earhiquer loan fund, and that time is the 1111N1110.
;Choir,) I think it is a most legitimate appals/ ad
public money to local purposes, and as the Isms Heels le
road ',Mob dies loot eon the pin* at large oltl law
*hates!, to their detriment mdiendesatage. It is I
'Weise sum of 360,0001. a year *hie le lest this 1
.c.onito from time tome ti, and Ibit WPM 1/_Ollll
sod these laws have hers fond la ha BPI it
thee iscrests. ((shem.) Weald yes ewer me jaw ea
crud to you the porpoise te whisk thew Imes have beer
ledthed, sad then you will U. able a Pap for yourselves
whether I a right in reykig On the works—
* hit of which 1 am 'born is dimwits as aided
by this fund—as of great local importance ? If
the assistance is withdrawn the mare y required to can
thews will have to be draws frets the pockets of the
obsery emitlegoes. I am about to read from a
which Ms bees presented daring the present yobriril
tai divide the works into them which are fur the bulk'
of the lead and noes which are for that of Win ad
town. With regard to the hued, they comprise
n`v,., drainage, bridges, nada tailroadi, collier=
ass limo gentlemen will aloe geseamber bow MIA •
burden on the county rate* are the lunatic asylums, kW
"htte. leacga, public Santiago, and, above all, wider the
^•w POW' law, the wain and enlargement of workingman.
I.e which else a sum of 1,100,0001. has been lent by Ws
fond. (Btu, btu.) Another matter relating to the m-
ho of the pnor is emigration, and ens ato parishes
htit been assisted by loans In carrying out that
(Hear, hear.) New all the works I ham
tuned have bees aided MINI this hod. Stop that
fond, sad as the greater portion of the woke war coatisee
to he carried a to meet the Posh demad Ise thew, they
will require • great sacrifice, dal" SO a pew Own Biala,
or by borrowing on terms by se mum 110
These
(Cheers) Now I Wotan to the cities mid Wain
weals comprise the building of chorine, the weeks of
waterworks and artworks, the haproverwrit w cities and
owes, harbours and dads, baths and eininkinses—Ml
purpses of mew local immerlasee, and without the means
',tonsil'd by this fund on nosy esendass it would he
sh.,letely impossible to bas marled Warmest (Hew) Bat
it a said that the present state of tb market
sot render such advances esemerey._. for
the meanest it may bests ; hut the feed hes he operation
fir 30 yeas, mil it may be in operatic* for 30 years to
n'a,e; and it will he observed that the fiellities offered for
oiwyreent, his been such as no private tender would
Mehl (,beers.) There has been us los on three trans-
Mtism ; but en the:contrary thi r.• has bees a gain. Why
when dieturb the fund (Chests.) I will appeal to hue.
g othoten who have been mammas% with ektersinent ; and
•ii n the right hen. gentleman himself, who has only been
tot • renpirstively short time is the high oar be
li
1.04 oft, n have felt the eovissiesee of the we, is era
this fund is inseaged. The government have ceestaslly
hien tamed by torsos which have a strung local Mora*
t?, ''nal', toms for the improvenunt Of
tiLe tossup. The answer the goverarest sirup,
M'e cannot inter fere. You must go to the Leer
f:fnersisionere. If yea have a pod ease, yinerdil antand
nom, we cannot Interfere." (Hoer, hen.) no room
.yotetu Las also beta found to be • very essmendtel one,
sad I don't Wok it possible for a fund so useful as I have

ideestileed It, to be plated is heads mere waleftembable. i
Iseer lime it has been opened there his bees a gratuitous
matinee von it by moss of the OM emiseam to provost l
the el empisles. I will reed the acmes: Lord ,
=firmhiked, Mr. Whitmire, Mr.Lecks,l
Laud Peasiesse, Mr. Leberathere,'Mr. Thomas Sarin, Kr.'
Warbeetes, sad Mr. Orme. (Cheers.) Could it possi-
ble he pima in more unemoptionable heads ? sad why
thseilhee will the Chancellor of the Eacheituer lay violent
Weiss it te make up a &Sammy whisk he has Mewl(
meted by tampering with two great branches of our re-
Mew, the malt and tea duties, which yield
la minims annually, or nearly one fifth of the
revesse of the coluttry ? (brad cheers.) Yes, the
right his. gestieems, though he has • direr halanwe In
hand M. 1,600,0001., proceeds to tamps with t"
brambles of rename Utilises ; to Kelm et too
which he thee ewes, he dares to lay violent heeds wpm
this lean, and leaves himself no surplus whatever erupt
the repeystent of same previously lest. (Hear.) As - 1
peal haa bees made width has not yet been enswered„
but which I hope will be aasweved before the elm of this
debate. I see am right hisa. umlauts the President of
the Board of Coatroul (Mr. Berries) in his plant, than
whom to is so guitliman in the home who has had ce
left an experience with the Oneness of the anntry, or who,
I nay believe, understands all the minute due& ef the
embalmer half so well. (Hear.) But I ask him, after his
lon experience under ditr•reat administrations, has he aver
known a budget opened at a period of general prosperity,
with a surplus of 1500,0001. available, sad yet that pro-
posed to create in the Nut year a surplus of only
1
400,000 L, and on the second year, taking the most
asaguine calculation, ;it surplus of no greater amount,
the surplus in either rim being mahatma upon die house's
permission to appropriate the repayment of the loans ?
(Cheers.) And I ask the right hes. gentleman whether he
is prepared to recommend the home to pas. this budget
which leaves no real staples whateverodad which it has been
stated by the right bun. gentleman (Mr. Goulbari) will
shake the credit of the country to its very fuendatiour ?
(Cheers.) I hope that before the ease of this debate we
shall hear the right bon. gentleman's gepinions upon this
subject. I shall not trouble the house upon several of the
points which have been dwelt upon by hen. gentlemen who
have preceded nee. I remember well a soot& made by
t'...e right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer
upon the Toone of direct and indirect taxation. The
right hoe. gentleman laid this down broadly—that direct
taxation, with large exemptions, was auntie:lloos, and that
(for, alter this, it was impossible that I could ever forget
it), without large exemptions, direst taxation was impossible.
(Cheers.) Now, let us try his plea by both these prin-
ciple,. Has be materially altered the exersep.
lions from the laces.. tan? (Hear, hear.) The first
great 'empties is Ireland—that is an existing
exemption. Now has the right hon. geed/ man, aecoeing
to the striated rules of equity, materially altered that ex-
emptioo ? Ile proposes to tan loads and salaries is Ireland;
to leave realised property in land sad all charges on Wad
free from legation, and not to chugs incomes arising from
trades end professions. Ile prime", to do that which even
in his ardour for direct taxation ths hon. member for Mon-
trose thinks somewhat severe—in the same year, in the same
budget, es I at one stroke, to bring down the ex-
empties" from the property tom from 150, to 1001., and
also to extend the house tee from 20f. to 101. Now let us
try this—and, recollect, this is the greet scheme for levy-
ing taxation so as to do justice to all parties and to names
Inequality. (Hear, hear.) Take a clerk receiving a salary
of 1001. a year, and living either in Dublin or Edinburgh
For the Onetime you will tax the income of that man about
2'. 4e. • and if he lives in a 107. hoese—aad it is barely
maid. to get lodgings at a less amount—you will tax
13s. cia that, or about 3 per cent. upon the whole of his
humble income. Now a clerk living in Dubin, with the
same amount, will be mimed neither to the hems tax nor
to the house tax. Oa the other hand, the only mamma-
lion you give to the English or Scotch clerk ia the partial
remission of the tea and malt &dim. Now, supposing that
he consumes 1216.. of tea a-year, that will amount to about
4s. ;:and whether be drinks pale ale or porter, be will not
UT* above 7.. or Se. more, or bib will not gob is all above
12a. on the most sanuine sultablisa. Bu{ ter clerk in
Ireland will not only g. enamel Ism tho besets tax, but
he will enjoy precisely the mega ramissies of Wheel taxi.
ties. Where ie the equity of est? (131esess.) lethal 113 W
sow the mead, citable, end just sessonseamite the W-
eems ten t (Naar. But now, let us ay al raw Basilan.
=lteMend (Sir C. Woe 6) has spans eil his
m which Malta linillal:liiirdeli ever-
mouths asedisen ; and I mimeo dist Mas thou
the very moil et perhatiaL - Phi sissal& Ihave really no
wish to swam my Um of esailisme ; but I think still
that moth remains to be dims if Modes sad equity are to
be rules for mewing the 1..... tax. (Hear, hear.) Minn,
collierice, railroads, gasworks, meals in Ireland ere all la
Schedule A, aad are to pay 7d. la the pound ; hut steam-
boats and joist stack banks will be in Schedule B, end will
pay bid. But I thick it would be difficult to show that
there is say greater permanence in the profits of mines and
collieries than in those of a joint stock bank. (Cheers.)
Again, I know two persons, both manning professions and
both enjoying about equal incomes. By a fiction of law a
bishop draws his income from land, sad so on his 6,000 i.
• year be pays 7d. in the pound ; but • Judge
who has also 60001. likewise for hie life, is charged 61d.
(Hear, hear.) Is this just ? (hear, bear.) Take s widow
of 1601. charged upon land under her jointure—she is
taxed 7d. in the pound ; but we have all heard of Mr.
Moore—(loud chmen), with his 7,000/. a year *Maimed from
• patent office., whieh he says is a ft. ehold, and he ie to
pay lild. Yet these are the eehedales improved se as to
conduce to justice and equity. (Cheers.) But take realised
property. Ifow, any person having property in land la the
colonies, or ines:e.idpart of Europe, or la foretga fends,
is to be charged . ; but yet with all your care and
auziety for property, there is in the very heart of
of Schedule C, the landholder, for whom you have pro-'
femed the tenderest regard. Nor is this all ; the holders of
terminable annuities are receiving back their espial with
their interest, and their income, is m my cases, will ease
in HMO. Now, while you are taxing the foreign
landholder bid., year own landholder, with • ter.
minable annuity, is charged 7d. (Cheers.) Take'
again the case of Ireland. There sits opposite to me a '
most distinguished and eminent gentleman, the head of
his profeeme. By his own homurable exertions be has
risen to the leadership of the Irish bar—the Attersey-
General for Ireland. Now, I won't pretend to say to
what his imams amounts. No doubt it is considerable ;
and he is am to be taxed one fartkiag ; but
kis disk who natives hie lash, and who is
poi/ perhaps 100 i. a year, is to be @hafted. (Cheers)
Oese men. The tidelamesr en Leigh Corrib, who has a
Imp Isefly le support, is *hefted en his small stipend •
bet the Whop it Derry, who lives in a pelage en the
lama Ishe, is sot se pay one exposer (Oh.) Let the
Ida 'Webs% iheirefese, take can whet eels hey giro e•
this memissi. Meer. Mar.) Let am be omiest to
these with the Mbar piths of the Beth* Zigthsa is such
• pawsl and rah rodemies of the Wheat Medea of the
easstry as he grevriag man will show ; sad
that gradual sediamkas - will remeiely take plea.
But let them glee a ems villa shall hay the harrow of
direct carillon upon Ms hemilbor ammo is Great Britain,
and I want them the time is set fir dieing whoa it will be
so es adod to thane aloe. (Come .) Oes obscenities I will
make, which is applisable to ths Mule Weis ethfrot, emu
the great lewelem sf the Mahe meth of Mom sad
indireet hustle& I Mid 110 ea Meioses of direst sad
indirest taxation is the mad std oafs may fee this coun-
try. (Oltesn.) Bet that asekturs siguiro grist au-
tism ; athil the mayeatiows of IS nest hi *aimfelly
(Seth. is
fa gm*. the the
=led. sow at the bead of Ike - t. I de it not
in • meth" or angry *fish i let j mot soy that Lord
Derby has, is reference to this aehhee, gime *slew that
are well worth e the attention of the Mom_ el this heeisent.
Lord Derby ma, is 11147, " BY alatitnis..lol°/•"41:=
titan of free trade, you will
Ills ematheies iota lea Sersom of this
I would not ray " rigidly,`
2= would substitute fee that
word " rashly and extra ." (Hear, beer.) If you
net upon the pried* thosesslayesznerdieset texattoo,
without groat meths, moldy red dm such a
way that the emestry will set best SI, ' SPE slik all the
advantages of your °pummel. _ MS pen will
involve the fineness of this emery is ismerilial% essfie-
goo. (Hear, boar.) AzeiNtlels veft year, in ,is very
paeliesent eine. we met, Left Dolby mays—•• lees trade, I
think, meant that yes will not lemon taxes for the purpose
of protesting individual or dam letteems ; that ma will iss
pose Imes for the of areesse end revenue 'sly ; sad
that in the • of this made. yew will ham espeeial
referees, to lighten/ft the beelese which weigh wpea the
industrial slams of the cemaessity." I think We • very
tan and just definite* sides trade. (Chisen.) H. added—
" Although is that 'Tema sea mesh to value, bewever I
de net deny that I me much ef alliwlty and teem es-
beneminent. I am present admits.; bet I ant set sari—
Clei hrhid that I sisekl Mt ilthat that gases may
ast hid tit future sethamesemet by ..e tosermary Amiss
le ser Ithamial systom." Lord Dolby bias& NO as ,
~...et the thatme us. of this mop deetties—of
divest be rett lthallea te a Mame *amt.
rie ir me.) Whit Is the ishormo ? I my Maeda, w-
hat's, no,
yeah easidoese to ter *Mem of the Imo Sir
Robert Teel (Rear, Isom) TM very hoh time that be
stoke on the he em, M UNA be thee enpeisedlblewslf :
" I am qeite aware that there we Weiss te, Aram tam-
time, end I de net ogres with them who mould seholitste
direct Is imam' WOO. 1 he set WA yes could,
snaps hr • special sal tstopeary purpose, wisely carry
&hem IMAM le a meth peeler extent than you have
tMINNS it. Bet yam ilea(, severthelees, solidi that
een% • grunt ladessmeet Is mil times to take • revenue
from bawd whir is. him asst Meath& Although
I may thiek thetas impositka it Aram Intake in prefer-
able is simpered to basil tamales. yet I am set at all
poormil Its amen that deem tamale dwell, without ma-
ture emailsestlee, ha substituted Is isdliost tasatioa.
No dents boa gmedemee say, 'Cl, se I the public cre-
dit, these elm be se 'native . • best let the mils* of taxa-
riga be reelesell—let the Isardein be mom mu* sal/mud.'
The feeling is, of cootie, sneelmensss tilieltriurtells indie
Well, sir, but I would Mier hest the lee is re-
form before I ems to wthribm this mmeesil smilers of
taxation. Suppose that sow system to he L/111101111 In the
Ist of Yo bruary nem, with the eertaieq t the Issome
tax meet expire TS Ohs 6th of April. Now, not
ing all the professions of your determination la th=att
to support the public credit, I have so moth drank of the
failure of this new method of taxstlon before the fth of
April, that, having a due regard for the paths mold, I
should like to have the income tan to fall bah epee In
the contingency—the possible contingency—of the new
I "stem not being reli.heil, or not working encesestelly."
I think you will discover that your new system le not much
relished, and will agree with the policy here reeommooded,
that it will be better to have your Looms tax to fall back
epos. (Hear, hear.) It hu been mid, that there is every
reason why these exemption., both In referent* to the

Wow tax milt= hems tax, should bo reelected. I venom
easibutly to alliebin a very different *pinks. I think
there an retyped NNW why these exemptions should '
be sasintainst. lam oftspialoa that that elms haying in-
, 0046119 of =threes 1001. a= 1501. • year its this ormatry:
eesstitutes *sway that dam of prow whose win= is
that of the greatest atm& I. the weld. (Chem) It
is exactly the pekoe =lame skilled labour ends—where, if I
may use GOA se engwaselen, the Suds. jab= 404698 to be
wee% 1,5.1 Mfr Ilabon he
plow. (Rev, hear. Per
sons in lib dab ellennera or Ws reempelled, from the force
ofeirmendeassa, to Rolando a polities somewhat bight,
than bib MOM will blew. (Rear, bear.) The kamblest
ebrke is dr pubis elem, many of the working elargy, sad
• bap peederdes of dinettes ealaistors la this count y
am ft& GM rabies i bay have to maiatala as appearance
somewhat higher bon their humble mew will blow.
(Meer, hear.) This, with referees, to indirect taxatios, Is
it. after all, men eit less productive than the jaws* tax ?
Your indices UMW= yields is the pew 86 millions an-
sadly ; yew Wane taa, 6.900.0001. Without augmenting
this, there are mesa, abatises' to wet the reduction of
the tea duty, whisk I think most beneficial arid eaexeep-
north's. Mese, her.) I will state in round numbers
the sweat of =Wet taxation yielded ley the principal
ankles of casseumplion. They are as MOWS :—Spirita,
8,660,0001. ; melt, 6,036,0001. ; Wow, 4,488,0004 ; sager,
4.173.0001.; soap, 1,013,0001. corn, 608,0001.; coffee,
496.000/. ; paper, 928,0001. ; batter, 181,0001. ; is all,
32,389,0001. These taies, open 12 articles of first us-
amity, fall, I contend, with peculiar severity, upon
that very class on whom you now propose to place
the income tax. (Chew.) What then is the re-
sult ? The view I take of this matter is, that
you should have your machinery of diesel taaation
complete and equitably arranged; sad that you should not
make the burden of that direct taxation heavier thee it
can poesibly be bora, Ia times of clinically. Yon may talk
of your militia, of your naval preparation., of your theme,
of artillery and batteries; bet if you to wane that the
finances of the =entry are mashie to meet W berdeas
placed upon theta, all your preperations will be as nothing,
when contrasted with the ruin that must ensue from •
shock to the public credit. (Cheep.) I say, bays your
machinery ready. If the fatal necessity should arise for
protecting the safety and honour of this country, you must
immediately have recourse to direct motion, sad it must
be paid. (Hear, hear.) I have that confidence in the
spirit of the people of this country, that if the Witty of the
action—aye, if the honour of the nation is in danger—
they will not refuse whatever amount of tazation may be
necessary to meet and avert that danger. (Cheers.) Bat
they will take ears not to prolong the contest longer than
when their safety is secured. (Hear, bear.) They will
expect the extra tax to be strictly • war tax, and no
more. (Cheers.) Is 1816, when the victory of Waterloo
was woo, the soar= to Paris accomplished, and the peace '
of Europe proclaimed, the people said that the property
tel of 10 per that. wee a war tax, and demanded its repeal
as war had ceased. The Liverpool administration entreated
its continuance only for one year more, to defray some of
the espouse of the war ; but they were opposed by a strong
party in this how, and the 010306 tax was reduced, and
sbaliehed in the year following. (Hear, hear.) Therefore
I warn you not to press your direct taxation unduly in time
of peace; let it be a resource in time of war; and I 'street
you to parse and consider well before you assent to this re-
solution. (Sheers.)
Sir J. PA KINGTON wished to explain a raliapprehen-
lion into which Sir Jaws Graham had fallen. lie dueled
that the government were seeking to Lord• the win
question of the budget. The first resolution on which
they Intended to take the vote of the bow, although it
related formally only to the exteasion of thews of the how
tax, admitted tin m really to deal with the main prineipk,
and gave Wm liberty to agree afterwards ge te the ees
tails, and to make whatever oddities lo the tax they
might think proper, if they did not wish to Webs it. The
later remark was received with • loud TOW of applause
from the opposition. The right lea. geatleams *lll went
into a general defence of the Wipe. @Pied the lehtstkos
of Sir Jews Graham, Mr. Cables (es the preview even-
ing), Mr. Osborne, and ether be., seattemea. He de
flied that the budget wet bend le a " revengeful "
spirit ; he denied list the Untended to cony
direct taxation S. es Ins est extent ; he denied
that they =deed to soll =Wet close, and divide tows
sad country. Ile awed Mr. Gladstese's theory that
(leaded property WWI be exempt from Looms ma. He
was confident that {he inglerity would arm the principles
which they had bees usable to ceattseast. If not, they
eh ,ul4 tad the eidelemey el their bond of union—which be
believed le he a reps of sand—by roadneting themselves
the liomeskil legisibien of the country. He believed that
the oppartiis bed failed to excite discontent at the budget,
seen in km temp; and he wee ceitebseed that aot a
tingle large is wee opposed to it.
After a few words from Mr. CROSSLEY,
Colonel Sibtborp, Mr. M.Gregor, sad Sir A. Cockburn
rasa together. After meat= enee for each,
Sir A. COCKBURN moved thas the =airmail should
report progress.
Lord J. RUSSELL said before the question of the ad-
journment was put be wished to put a question to the
right hon. gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
which seemed to him of the utmost importunes
towards the Loneliest= of the debate. H. wished
to know up= what proposition the government really
intended to take the opinion of the hoses. (Hear, hear.)
lie thought they were entitled to haw at least what tbeir
proposition we to be. He bed entaialy sodermood the
proposal of the (annum= to be that the gaieties hope
tax should be extended to bows et lb. a ; bert he
had heard in the atone of that .wog eeraie exproodess
which seemed to imply that that port of the budget *Ma
went to double the house tax was to be ateadeeed, es*
that the only propositice to be pat was one for eatesSieg
the area of taxation. Now that made a material alteration,
not only with regard to the how tax, but with regard to
the whole of the proposed budget. (Hear, bear.) If it
were merely intended to cite= the area It would
not be necessary to declare that the beam to
should cease and determine ; it would only be nefassary to
propose an oddities to the duties. But, further, it
to him that the wbels plan of the 'overborne depaisi on
the hoses tax ; be that was obviously It enable
the Mesa to make the proposed Plastise of daWL (h eer,
best.) He paid set bet suppose that the yeepsehtee to
be made by the sevenusest et. s the edited Pet bet a.
he bed heard dem diatom esessbets of the peeispret,
• espesially bed the Illsevesu7 ef Meet est the Osisuise.
woods shish tips ease doubt es the seireset. sal "MA
left the wilds Wilt Paresis—be hap* then wield be
ems explenati
The CHANaiLLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I wish
that the vote should be taken ea the diet reieUtieJ, and I
shall esselder the web of the beam eassolosiee on the whole
bediet•
Lea I. Allem& is. made ea thestvatioa width woe
not distinctly 'Whit.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Upon all
the propositions whisk are on the table.
Mr. GLADSTONE said softie, senld he mom dose and
intelligible than the right has, geatisthim'eleallthalat ; bet
be apprehended that dm Ilipsams, thine an dealt in son- '
fortuity with the raise anill eisigeserialialiONWP of ths whole
house, had set pea oho gaitios lea this Int 41110111.61113,
but ssotelyspes the hth upon a maths,
winds wee is Itself Um= tete. Peron who wished to
have the horn toe tiYtl lobed sailed with satin math-
Macy this he alb Were of the imeembio ; mad he thou&
it wooed Ito Issohthe the paoththoht to take a vies ea the,
preamble easikaiik mid sire we as the dad Idelibelien.
Mr. MILES dreght time had bees a &alma sodas.
standing that tholorilatsto was to be takes as warhole
prisoipla of the ; them who voted
014 beiag_pisigall by to the duels.
ohms). Ho hoped the Chancellor of the Isthogur would
W be drivel hem that Om. (leased aeon.) The
essatry would theremgly user and the hot the u bind-
hi whether or set the principles Lid down were equit-
able, just, awl useful to this country.
Sir C. WOOD said the peouabbs wield simply repeal
the safeties haw taa he the "rpm of Mike ether
duties substitereei he it. The gem eatmesmhs proposition
was that than &meld be a duty of Is. apse .bets, and
1.. 6d. spat house of the vale* of 104 sad upwards.
(Cries of "No, ney" km the mishloolahota) Up to that
sight it wee closely animated that do Amt nets would
be taken on the toosdii of eatemithi the boom tax. All
he wanted to ksow was, what question they wore to be
called upon to divide.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I thought
I bad frankly answered the appeal of the noble lord—
(ministerial theers)—and it appeared to as that the noble
lord war perfectly loathed, theiggh others may be lop.
tious. I said I thooght it would he eonvenient to take the
division on tha ant resolution, and that I should consider ,
the opinionwhith the boom we atom this, conclusive on
the general scheme. He certainly had no hesitation in my-
ino that it was the intention of the government to propose,
net testy ea eateasioa of the area of the hew tax, but an
eatenelo• of the tax itself ; bet be weedd sot bind the home
by a distinct resolution le particular mum ; be "add re-
SOTTO to himself and the house, the sight of moving
sameslmests.
Col. SIBTHORP mid be Gould melee meals ellowanees
for his right boa. friend (Sir C. Wood), seeing that he
belonged to the "outs" ant was opposed to Om "ins."
(Laughter.) He (Col. Sibthoth) sun does to the boom
' ender the (aloes.. of so party feeling detersinal to do
'hat he considered hie duty. Ile weit'id be booted by no
declaration or budget of any Chinned* eT the Blebetium.
Ile would oppose such portions of the Widget as he damp
roved of, bet would see abet • petty whose objet or
stately to apse Um present goverment sod substitute
another whM was guided by so principle. (Cheers and
laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said he was entirely satisfird with'
' the declaration of the right has. gentleman. Whether
they took the first divides in the remahte, or on the sub-
stentith resolution, wee • gewitios that might bettor be
settled when the time for division same. A. the debate
would, he supposed, be aljnurind until Thecredey ni it, he
thought arrangements might be male fer Masbate it on
that evening.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mourned
with the noble lord a, to lite time for tenntrellner the de-
bate. It was of the utmost Impntlanee that the &Ante
should terminate on Thursday night. (Hear, beer.)
Mr. T. fk;ut.we made a vain attempt to obtain a hear-
ths, as did also Mr. M'Oarooa. The latter moved that
the Chairman report progress.
The CIIAIRMAN decided that the adjournoteat bad
been moved by the hon. and lessened member for South-
ampton.
The debate was then edjourned to Thursday seat.
PARISH CONSTABLES.
Mr. DEEDER brought in • bill to amend the laws re-
lating to the office of parish constable.

PARLIAMBNTABY PAPILBS.
Oa the motion of Mr. Tvenatt, the followleg select
sommitere ea parliamentary Palma wee nominated:—Mr.
'false% Mr. Bwert, Mr. Canimino Brace. Mr. Forteseue,
Brotkerten, &z H. H. loch*, Mr. Drummond, Mr.
Reedlam, Mr. Walter, Mr. Blither, Mr. M. Mums, Col.
Mare, Mr. Hart, Mr. Byag, aad Mr. Mitchell.
The ether orders of the day were thee disposed of, aad
the home adjourned at one o'clock.