The Express.
London, England, 1863-02-07 00:00:00

Lord LL.A!OVSIt &eked the Roder Secretary at SI

for War whether it was the intention of the gOvernu3eut
to protease any measures during the present eemion for the
pure se of carrying out the recommendations contained in
the report of the commiadoesrs appointed to inquire
into the st-iW of the volunteer force of the country!
He said he apprehended that if the recommendations of the
committee were about to be tarried out by her Majesty's
government, the introduction of a money bill into the other
loose of parliament would be necessary. In that case he
veotured to recommend that the movement, of the govern-
ment should he as rapid as possible, in order to remove the
uncertainty which at present prevailed.
Kin DE GREY said that it was the intention of her
Majesty's government to propose to parliament measures
for substantially carrying out the recommendation' of the
Volunteer Ounnitamon. For this purpose it would be neces-
sary to include a sum of money in the annual votes, and to
introduce a bill into parliament proposing an alteration in
theezisting volunteer acts. He thought it was not altoge-
ther expedient that be should then enter into details which
would be better stated by his right hon. friend the Secre-
tary of State in another place, and he trusted that it would
be sufficient, in order to allay the feeling of uncertainty
which bad been stated to prevail on the subject, to an-
nounce that measures were about to be tutroduoed for the
Purpoee of miming out substantially the rocommendatimm
of the commission . (Hear, hear.)
Lord HARDINGE wished toe:press him satisfaction that
her Majesty's government intended to carry out the recom-
mendation, of the commission. He entirely agreed with
the commissioners in thinking that unless some further aid'
were given to the volunteers the force ran the risk of dis- ,
appearing altogether. He thought that the circumstance
of parliament baring list year sanctioned a grant for fortifi- !
cations wee a further ground for their affording aid to the
volunteers. He thought it, however, highly desirable that
precautions should be taken to provide that the money should
is carehally and strictly applied to the original objects for
which it was voted, and be trusted that no money would
be given to any man unless he showed that he was really
engaged in vclunteer practice. Be confused he was one of
those who thought that the tost of nine days' drill was
somewhat below the mark. In tither respects he entirely
concurred in the recommendations of the commission • and

he further expressed a hope that the militia would be dealt
with accordiag to the recommeudatimns of the Militia Com.
mission. (Hear, hear.)
Lord TRURO said that one of the ol*lsts for which the
commission was appointed was to metro inquiries into the
present condition of the volunteer body. He certainly
thought that the utmost praise was dse to the commis-
sioners for the assiduity and industry they had manifested •
at the same time he must say he thought that mange of the:
report in which the commissioners expressed their gratifies-
time in Whig enabled to state that the present eraditioa of
the volunteer force was, generally speaking, satisfactom
and their belief that by steady poreeversoce in the course
hitherto pursued it would prove a valuable similiary to the
army as a means of defenoe, was hardly oussieteat with
their recommendation that they should receive per aid
from the country. Hitherto the annual expenditure of the
force had generally been defrayed by its own inerabseet, and
if that were eufficieot to maintain it in a satisfactoey eendi-
lion, it did not seem to follow that pecuniary support by the
country was required. He would observe aloe that his
Royal Highness the Commander-in•Cbief had impulsed
upon the volunteer body the great necessity of attending
company drill, and had said that the volunteers led better
be in their drill yards then be constantly going oat on add
days. Now the commissioner", out of the nine drys of at-
tendsnce, recommended that six should be days of hattallea
drill, sod three of company drill. He should havetheught
it more consistent with the advice of the
Commander-in Chief, that six of the drills Amid
be company, and three battalion drills. No use
could doubt that the moment government aid wee
accepted by a corps, it would loge a great portico of its
honorary members and donations. He thought, toe, that
the volunteers ought to be permitted and encouraged is
learn the use of field artillery ; for it must be evidest that
in the event of an emergency they would have for less dif-
ficulty in finding guns than competent gunners.
After • few words from Lord Vivian,
Eerl DE GaEY said it was the intention of her Majesty's
government to carry out the new regulations which hod
been recommended ls the Royal Commissioners to adopt,
Thosicurps which might wish to expend any portion of the
grant in elothieg, would be required to conform themselves
to a certain definite role. At present the government had
but one natteru of grey clothing, and it would no doubt be
mummery to have others ; but at any rate it would be news-
. tory to follow the patterns adopted by the War-office.
Their lordships rose at squealer pest six.

The address in aid to the liu;en's speech having been
brought up by Mr. BazLrr, on the question that it be
read a second time,
Mr. BENTINCK, speaking as an independent member,
with reference to the proposed cession of the lonian Islands,
expressed a doubt whether, since the introduction of steam
navigatioo, we should derive any great military ideas-
age from the pommels al Cafe. He theeght that •
great change bad takes piece in thin country during the
lea few mouths on the subject sr the American war
that it was atter cant to soy that slavery was the real
hoot of condense, between the two parties in the war.
With regard to the distress in the ememiacturiag districts,
he believed that the stoppageef the supply of cotton was
net the sole cause, Ina the lama amormat of the distress
was occesiesed by over speculation.
Mr. LOCKE mid that his coestitueste,who be/gaged win-
' allay to the working chases, paid a very large portion of
Ithe taxatiea of the country, am it mead lle admitted that
tobacco, of which they were inch peat sonsumers, paid
3a. lin in the mead duty, end that thee pope and tea was
also heavily taxed. He theeghe that. it Re woe only to set
that matter right, the 'roams sham had • right to ask
for a Deform bill. He went ahem with the hon. member
Saw Norfolk is what be had said with respect to the distress
of the lasseashire operatives: but be should like to knew
whet had bees the came peened in the emaunelmass
distrher with respect to a bill whisk wee passed last eseeres,
onablag those Ismailia to wise erste he aid ter the relief
of disarms when the ord tete had resebed the asemat
that le the pound. H►belweed that, with one or owe en-
ema/me, that bill had set anywhere hem semi epos. The
ohm* however, ter which he had primipally risers was to
*spree • has that something would ha diem fee the
015111111•11dall ei the poor rata, • stabsb to whisk the work-
ing thaw* were deeply Waisted.
i. DEFY appeased generally ef the Amigo policy
of the geememest, manse visa loping baleen that there
wee • proepce of some redesetien ef ezpeaditim ; for that
Ire beliaod, however they had to thank tether the hon.
member for Bahia: 'then her liliefestfe germaraimen. He
hoped that some peens* mould he made drag the ses-
sion with • Clergy Belief Bill, as he believed that, vales
some iseprovemeet were sad, the pulpit wield be soon
leas worthily tilled then it was at pews..
Mr. NEWDEGATE nee fee the perms of ealllieg &Stea-
-1 Moo to the French treaty, whisk wee within le the peat
depression a the ribbon trade this meetry. The nosed-
, tueney which be represented was deka( leader
its premium and imbue were dem they
would suffer an amount of llama from whisk it
would be impossible le emerge. The tree/nu!!
set confer anything like reeipreal advantages on
sad England, and besides, takes is essaemori with the
net favoured nation clans* in other treaties, conferred ad-
vintages on Belgium which told injuriously on the trade of
this spoeutry. He approved of the offer of an asylum to
the Peps is Malta es • toessore marked equally by courtesy
wad pretence. If the asylum had been offered and so-
aped in England there would be the inconvenience of the
hie functions in this country. 7.II7IINSTONE said, with respect to the cession
sf the lonise blends, he totally differed with the hoc. mem-
ber for Norfolk (Mr. Bestinck), and he meant to ask of her
Majesty's government whether they bad looked at that
=lemur. with regard to our communications with India.
Sir J. TRELAWNY took the opportunity of impell-
ing upon the house the importance of considering the
rights of the natives and colonists of New Zealand.
Mr. HIBBERT could not agree with the statement made
by the member for Southwark (Mr. Locke). that the unions
in the distr.:ma districts had not availed themselves of the
provisions of the act of last swiss. Out of the abeam or
twenty unions constituting the cotton disable, ten or
eleven were in a position amen themselves of the act, mid
since the Christmas quarter two of these had mailed them-
selves of the rate in aid, and five of them were availing
themselves of the borrowing powers. At the same
time he was well aware that had it not been for
the great sympathy shown for the distressed dis-
tricts, many others would have come under the Rate-in-
Aid Act, and, as • representative of that district, he wished
to take that opportunity of expressing the gratitude of
Lancashire for the manner in which their fellow-countrymen
bad come forward to aid them in their distress. The act of
last session, however, should have justice done to it, and he
had no doubt that before twelve months were over it would
he • great assistance to Lancashire in enabling them to meet
A nu SRAZILLiN DIFFICULTY. thediatreso which was still pressing upon them.
Mr. LAIRD asked the Coder Secretary of State for Foreign I Sir d . WALSH said the conservative party, whether in
Affairs whether her Majesty's government had any ob.*. aloe or out of office, had but ens course to pursue, namely,
two to lay before the bonr copies of all porno poedonoo •to maintain conservative prizeiples, and the experience of
letween her Majesty's government and Mr. Christie, British ' their last brief tenure of power must have convinced them
Minister in Brazil, and between Mr. Christie mid the that, to accept office while they were in • minority in that
Bleailien government, relating to the wrecking of the house, was not the conservative policy, and did did not
Prince of Wales and the alleged ill-treatment of three teed te the elevation of the conservative character.
*Mears of H.M.S. Forte by the police of Rio Janeiro ; aim Mr. GRIFFITH wished to make a few observations
of any despatch from the American Minister in Brazil to with regard to the events in the Levant sad the
Earl Romell rrµcting the conduct of Mr. Christie, or of i Proposed cession of the lonise Islands. Hoem. cone-
Mr. V ker, late bee Majesty consul at Rio Greeds do dered the lonianLidande to be part of the British d imam,
But; aid that the delivery of them to Greece would be opposed
Mr. LAYARD—Sir, in =mate my hon. friend I beg to to the policy hitherto punned by the noble lord, namely,
state that the paper* which relate to the difference between the maintenance of the integrity of the Turkish empire.
her Majesty's government and the government of Britoil The report on the address was then agreed to.
ere being prepared, and will be laid upon the table of the REMOVAL OF PAUPERS TO IRELAND.
home without delay. As regards the snood part of the On the motion for the adjournment of the house at It.
laeition the papers to which my hon. friend refers, °wild riming until Monday,
to is the domatel of the Amerima minister, relate entirely Mr. HERBERT asked the President of the Poor-law
to private affairs of a painful character, and no good would Board whether any circular had been addressed bathe board
aria from laying them on the table. The house will per. • calling the attention of boards of guardians in .igland to
haps permit me to make • short statement strictly con- the provisions of the act 24 and 2., Victoria, c. 76. relating
fined to bete, regarding the mitten in difference between to the removal of Irish paupers from England to Ireland ;
her Majesty's government and the government of Brea . and if so, whether be would have any objection to lay such •
especially as these facts have been much misrepresented and circular upon the table of the house. The boo. member re-
iosuoderatcod. In the month of June, 1861 her Majesty's ferred to • corrapwrience which had taken place between
consul at Rio Grande do Sul heard that a Brazilian mama- the Poor-law Commissioner in Ireland and the English Colo
trate had mentioned in conversation that the dad bodies of Milli/NUM, which showed that glum lartgolaritne
some Englishmen had been embed on shore, but had denied in the administration of the law were el frepoth
that there had bees say wreck. This led to inquiries being occurrence and that Irish pa, WI bun *ow
made, in 000segassee of which he (the consul) had ream with cruelty ,‘„a neglect, notwithstanding the
to inspect that • British vessel had been wrecked on the revisions in the Removal Act Those paupers hal=
coast, KW' that that wreck hail taken place some time pro teen exposed to the inclemency of the weather cm thwarb
vine. to the conversation in which the magistrate of vessels, and iu some instances were leaded a ports 900
in 'Ossetic's' took put' No inquest had heel'
_naa miles from their place of birth. This was a violation tithe
upon the bodies, and no information had been Mee° law, to which the Irish Poor-law Commissions:shad repeat.
to the authorities as to the wreck. He accordingly pro-
ceeded to the spot with ajudieial ofteer sod a small body idly called the attention of the English board, end he
hoped the President of the Poor-law Bowl would take some
of coast guards. On arriving there he went to the house of dope to prevent ropoli goo.
a magistrate, who, however, was absent. His visit was sot Mr. VIERS replied that he riveted no notice bad
well receivod, but in the house was found some
die oargo of the wrecked vessel, which eviderd'yeria.danot
a bees given him of the eases to which his hog. friend re-
been in the sea, but had been removed from the wrecked tarred became he should have felt it his duty to make the
vowel without being damaged by the zee water. Os the fullest hury into them. The get winch regulated the
removal of Irish paupers from England was very simple,
•
following day the Britiah consul went to the coast sad
found the remains of an Engliab nail The seeds wage ad be thought Dot at all likely to be ansundentood. I/ the
=menace violated the law, ar did not strictly esseMy
covered by cargo, some portions of which were damaged by wti, - • they Haus to pendia., bm
°visions, were
the see' but eery lerge--aPest "demegedi The @lnt it shouldPre. emb.d that it was sot the epeelal
had been broke* oyes oea. the °mask'. duty of the President of the Poor-law Board to
heard that the bodies of ten Englishmen had been fazed an call th •
the coast. He desired to see the bodies, but the impeder ow magistrates to account. There had not bees
„cube ia. brought under his attention my eases of the
of the district resisted his attempt to do so,
ti on alluded to by the boo. member ; but loggias=
specter being at the head of an armed body of men the coo- be instituted, if such oases WON Issoght under the moth
sul was obliged to desist Hetherefore returned to Rio' deration of the Poor-law Board, Ikm limegethis Mend
°mode, and having obtaioed from the authorities the as-
would give him the dates of the reneasseriseee 1101041ko
enema of • body of me a. he had the he" of the oases he had quoted, the Me* farisky amid le
It, English ammo brought to Rio at his own *ranee. made.leaked, however, of tea hake having been heeled", only The motion for adjouremeet was agreed to.
fee" saki be obtaised. On those bodies en Mourn was
1144, wed • remonetranos wee made with respect to the; RAILWAY BILLS.
other bane, which still remained seer the mask At the Mr. WHALLEY moved for lave to bring in •M he
no person from the esesulate was present, sad the diminishing the OS tbe
.inz bias Wes.
appointed to kohl the inquiry was the sib-delegate te railways, alm.by tae obbiehtg
.ad she h.e.ie.lan of the lesparate who was suspected ample end limatearthy ialmastion This maw
of latig been a party to the wrecking of the "Ina : was ie etheleece the mater that to whisk be had es if termer
Lord k. CECIL reminded the house that there wee no ,entice.—iv 1853--erilied the attesting if the haw
galena before it. When the hos. gestbeinia mole impa- Mr. HADFIELD would ourilielly anemia of • slyalias of a eerie= shmeeter on moose le a foreign soustm, limiting the mows et missy bah. The sogena

HOVSE OF COMMONS.—Fsswiy, P. 6•

The SITAKII took ths char shortly before 4 o'clock.
Yr. PAtmi Ilwaroau took tke oaths sod his seat for.the
empty of Carlow.
THE APPROPRIATION BILL.

Lord B. MONTAGU gave ootice that on Tuesday, the
24th of February, he should move two resolations—first,
that the Appropriation Bill be priated and circulated
ansonget the members of the hoes. before the second reed-
tag, in order to give more ample time for its consideration
before it tames through committee; and, secondly, that
the 29th clause ot the Appropriation Bill, wbiehituiseAles all
the grants GI the year for naval sad military purposes, be
expuoged.
OATHS AND AFFIRMATION&
_ .

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Sir J. ISELAWNY. gave Pekes that osi Timidity text
la should wive for leave to bring in a bill to authorise the
administration of afilrmatiocia in lieu of oaths to certain
*snots it courts of justice.

ORLIROR RATES.

Mr.NIEWDEGATE pve notice that on Towlay next he
should ask leave to bring in a bill similar in character to
that which be olitained leave to introduce last megaton for
the commutation of church rates.

SAILORS' HOMES.

Sir H. STRACEY asked the Secretary to the Admiralty
if it wee the intention of her Majesty's government to take
nadir its conaideration the subject of sailors' homes repo-
rally, with a view to aid those whose means are not ade-
quate for their object, and which in its judgment might be
deserving of assistance.
Lord C. PAGET said that it was not the intention of her
Majesty'sgoveniment to propose any vote to parliament for
sailors' homes be end the usual vote for those in the
vicinity of the

paid in respect of those bills actually covered the whole ex.
pease of conducting the public business in that house. The
engineering and law expenses in obtaining the bill for the
Great Northern Railway amounted to lido,oool. The hoe.
member complained of the enormous fees which were paid
to leading parliamentary counsel, who, he said, scarcely
=their mouths in some oases, but left the work to
union ; and said that whatever came of the bill the
time had arrived when they should deal with an abuse
which was unjust to the public, and reflected no credit
on the bows.
Sir P. O'BRIEN said the fortunes derived from railway
undertakings were made by engineers and not by lawyers.
He protested against any interference with the legal pro-
fession, in which, he said, free trade prevailed; and the
public were the best judges whether a barrister was worth
the fees be received. Be also objected to local inquiries, as
the wont plan that oould be adopted.
Mr. U. GIBSON said the question as to counsel was not
involved in the motion. The boo. member for Peterborough
proposed a plan for diminishing the expenses of railway
bills, and for obtaining information in regard to them.
If the hon. member could devise a scheme which would ac-
complish the object be sought with security to landowners
and persons having the control of public works, he would
confer a great benefit OD the community. He (Mr. Gibson)
thought the house ought not, to such an extent as the hoe.
member proposed, to part with the powers they now exer-
cised without a preliminary inquiry. It was possible that
the hon. member might in the clauses of his bill have laid
the basis of such a scheme as might be desirable to be
adopted, and therefore he thought it well for the house to
allow the hon. member leave to bring in his bill.
Mr. Serjeant PIGOTT said no doubt there were abuses
connected with the present system, and if the hon. member
for Peterborough could devise a scheme which would free
the community from those abuses he would be entitled to
grad credit. He thought, however, his boa, friend would
Sod greater difficulties in his way than be was aware of.
If be could diminish the expenses in any way it would be a
peat advantage, but that would be his great difficulty, and
be did not thick that that object would be accomplished by
loud inquiries.
Mr. WHALLEY shortly replied, and the motion that
leave be given to bring in the bill was then agreed to.