The Express.
London, England, 1852-08-02 00:00:00

this the molt of the

previous statements of the witnesses ; but some facts were
elieited by questions from the bench, arising from the clear
and unshaken testimony of the witnesses.
Jones said, when 1 paid the money for the passage on
board the Camilla, Tripe and Montague and a fat man were
present. I should like exceedingly w see that fat man
here.
Sir R. W. Carden—You would know his you think ?
Joaes—t3h, certainly. He was, I believe, one of the
dis cetera.

-Sir-1i: W. Carden—And he saw you pay the 111.
Jones—He aid.

Sir K. W. Carden—Would you have paid that money if
you did not believe you were going to Australia iu the
Camilla? _
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Jones—l would not.
Sir R. W. Carden—Were you led by what Montague
and Tripe said to you to believe that there was a bona tide
company to which that yowl belonged for the voyage?
Jones—l did, of course, and I went with Tripe and a
Mr. Stevens Woe. one of the .lireetors of whom Tripe spoke
as being concerned with the company in that capacity.
Tripe also pointed out two other gentlemen as directors,
one of whom he stated to be chairman of the company, and
he told me that a lord was amongst the gentlemen on the

Sir R. W. Carden—l suppme the supposition that there
was a nobleman in the concern wu quite enough (or you ?
Jones —I certainly thought it wu all right then.
Sir It. W. Carden—The report was a groan calumny
against that young nobleman. He was totally unacquaintcd
with the company or anything connected with it. Did you
see any of the directors ?
Jones—l saw the man who, when Tripe said I wanted
the passage money lowered, said that 31. was too much to
take off. Ile was a fat fellow ; and Tripe, Stevens, and I
called upon another gentleman who Tripe said was also a
director and a very rich man.
Sir B. W. Carden—That's just the sort of man you would
wish to deal with ?

Jones—Exactly. (Laughter.) But we did not see him.
Wu, however, saw his son, who said to me when I spoke to
him on the subject, " The fact is my d—d fool of a father
was, lam sorry to say, one of the company." (Laughter.)
That was after I saw Hontague in Whitecroaosueet prison.
Mr. °wets said the gentleman in question was in the
country, and no doubt his name was lugged into the
affair on account of his respectability as well as his absence.
Jones—His son knew something about the gentleman's
connexion with the company at all events, for he sot only
told me that his fool of a father was a director in it, but he
said the shares which ware once worth a guinea each were
at present to be had for between five shillings and half-a-
crown.

It sou proved that the prisoners had no authority what-
ever to engage passengers on board the Camilla on the
26th of June or at any time subsequently.
Captain Leen said out of a vast number of other cases be
would call witnesses upon two other come that day.
Samuel Finch said-1 reside at Canterbury-place, Ken-
sington, and am out t f business new. I was about to pro-
ceed to Australia. A friend of mine told me of this com-
pany as having offices at 63, Cornbill, ann tt, Austin-friars.
I applied and received a letter from Tripe by post about the
24th of June on the subject. I saw Tripe. once or twice at
Austin-friars with Montague after I received the letter. I
first went to that office on the 13th or 14th of June, and
saw boards with shipping placards on them before the door.
Tripe was there, and I wanted him to go to Mr. John Val-
iance, of Essex- to receive money on my account to
be sent to Australia., I was going to Sidney, and be told
me the company had a vessel going to Port Philip and
Sidney, and I was to pay 161. for sly passage. I believe
Mr. John Valiance paid 71. 10s. to Tripe. I have
him debited with that amount. Two or throe weeks
afterwards I saw Trips and Montague. I had gone to
the office, thinking I might get out cheaper, and I saw
them alib/ together. I said I expected five or six persons
were coming ftom the country, and asked them whether
they would allow me a COGIIIiOIOII. Tripe then appealed
to Montagne, and they said they (the eompany)wonlit allow
me 11. a head. _ _ _ - _

The letter, which Tripe at mum admitted to be in his
handwriting, stated that dm ship Camilla, which was going
to Australia, was fa the West India Docks, and that Mr.
Rauh might go to see ha, and give his !pinion of her.
The witness strangely took it into Ida head that Mr.
Sleigh, in croes-examisidies, was &spied to iaselt sad
threaten him, sad shawal sash vareassaable spier as se-
tually caused maw ~pa. It ins with that
Sir K. W. Carden prows spa tho poor mss as sive •
civil answer. Mr. Skylab's bumble assaranar *Si he
meant no offence were spits throws awa for aim dam
The amass of his MINIM was, that did ass
repose* Wessel( either as dirosPr a mew, sr as Pin
is asp rase amity passoted with the asspap.
Crarapplayl hp Ms, Sorra. he Tripe—TP witness
said he shads haPPaspat Meatspas was the principal
over Trip, hem the apparsacas he ehasnaL
Mr. T. Patois, a aemasisa apes, is abase employ-
ment Tripe previously had bay /sera/ the lamilwriting of
Trips in the letter prods which Trips had himself
acknowledged to writing, but the wassat of his
adviser. - - - - -

Reiss call—l wee desirous of premed* to
AamraQa, awl maiseaa eivertimmest is the Them sews
paper of the Nth efJase item the Anstrelies Gold Minias
end Indyntion Compaay, I wrote to Yr. Tripe a letter on
gest the 12th of June, to which I resolved es answer
a copy of the dietary sad stating that the venal
.411:iti loa a certain day. I afterwards received a letter
Akins to give me and my wife a passage far 761.,
sad that it would be necessary to pay a deposit. I sent
a letter, then, stating that my coseamstaaess would set
permit me to give such a sum. Trips milled spas ass sub-
sequently, and offered to give me sad my wife a moose for
461. He then required me to pay • deposit of half the
amonat, but I had only 31. about me, anon rpm him that
sem, which he wrote down apes the hark et the he
pee me. I afterwards went to him as the id of July,
and said I called upon him to pay him the Whose, and told
him to put down the name of the Wilson Realedy. I paid
Tripe 191. 10e. I then asked him to put the name of the
oared in the receipt, but be declined to demo, as the charter
was not, he said, signed.
Ric R. W. Carden—When yes paid the mosey, did you
believe the company was a pewee company, upon the
honour of which you had a perfect relies?
Witnem—l thought it wee a esseis• isms /ids company,
and I parted with my mosey fa the fall pensasios that it
was in every respect genuine sad meet.
Bit R. W. Carden : What dkl yes seat And out ?
Witness: That there was se vessel at all belonging to
the company gulag. Ky father saw by the riewspapers
that the Wilson Kennedy had other proprietors, aemrding
be the newspapers, and epos int be found that the
aumpany were all goes from 6, Awtishiery and thatillow.
Mips was in Nffbitecrowstrset prison.
R. W. Carden : Have you seen a director or mph"-
tee of the company
Whams: Never. Tripe told us a fortnight ago the
names of two of the directors. The prisoner this men-
tioned the name of the gentleman whom son declared him
to be so great a fool as to belong to the company. I per-
fectly recollect the name.

Mr. John Hodson, of High-street, Camden Town, con-
veyancer, said: I am father to the last witness. I Bret saw
Tripe on thirds y fortnight in Harp-lane, at chambers there.
My son was with me. We had called at first at Austin-
friars. I asked Tripe, wham we sow la Harp-lane, for an
explanation as to a delay of the vessel in proceeding on the
voyage. He said, " I suppose you know that the company
is closed r My reply was, "I ant very doubtful if may
suck company ever ;misted. It memo that you sad Mon-
tague are the company." (A laugh.) I had not men
Montague at the time, bat I bad beard of his saxes as con-
meted with the company. Trips said there was a company,
and there u ere many respectable people belonging to at, all
of whom were responsible for what had been received. I
then asked who the directors were. He said be was solos
to write down their names for me, and he mentioned one
to whom allusion has been made as described by his eon on
account of his connexion with the company. He said that
gentleman wee • vary wealthy man, and he gave me what
he said was his country address. He told me that the gen-
tleman could be proved to be a director, and that

he had constantly been in the habit of attending
the hoard meetings. He again peon seed to write down
the names of the directors, and assured me that be would send
the list to me by pest the same night. He never per-
formed his promise, however Tripe mentioned to me this
day fortnight that he had settled with several of the emi-
grants fur them to look out for other ships, and ho would
pay the money. I told him that if he had the money to
pay for the passage of pers ins in oilier vessels he mu.t have
the money to return to us. Ile wished me to depend upon
other promises, but I said I would not trust him any
longer; that there was no use in mincing words about the
business, and that it was all a tread and swindle from be-
ginning to cod. He then said, "No doubt of it. It has
hem 0 fraud aid a swindle." (Laughter.) This matter
his urset say son altogether. Tripe said to me in speaking
upon the occasion, that he did not suppose Montague
would have taken such advantage of him, or would
have acted in such a manner towards him. I
told Tripe that I did not think Montague had
any thing to do with the affar, fer when he
received this money the latter was in prison. Yea,
said Tripe, it's true Montague was in prison, but he
managed to get out, and he has now bolted with the
" swap," or the " blunt," Ido not know which word ho
used.

Mr. Sleigh then called the officer in whose custody Mon-
tague had been brought from the Queen's Bench, to prove
that Montague bad never been out of prison since the first
nay of his arrest until brought before the Alderman upon
the writ of habeas corpus, and submitted that it was quite
impoiisible that the unfortunate prisoner could, under such
circumstances, have bolted either with the " swag," or the '
" blunt," or anything else.
The witness. in answer to a question put by the learned
counsel for Montague, through the Alderman, said that
prig err had gone to gaol on the morning the last witness
had paid his money fur the twinge.
Cross-examined for Tripe by Mr. Sorrell—Tripe told me
he had paid all the monies he had received over, end he had
got vouchers for all. lie mentioned to ine that he had about
1001. nut of his own pocket to pay, and that he would rather
pay himself than have the business exposed.
Here Sir W. Carden desired that the names of the
directors should be called out in court. The names
were accordingly called out, but no answer was returned.
Mr. Owens said he had seen two of the gentlemen who had
i attended some days ago in consequence of the summonses
which hail been sent to them in the early peso( the day,
but they bad received no summons upon the liresent occa-
sion, and he could not recommend them to attend the
examination, as he considered the whole of the proceedings
as regarded them had terminated on the former occasion.
The addressee were all wrong, but he would answer for the
ready attendaaee of the gentlemen he represented upon any
future occasion.
. . .

Mr. Hodson, solicitor to some of the complainants, here
mid he considered it necessary to apply to the Alderman to
grant summonses to the rest of the gentlemen named in the
prospectus to come forward and answer to the charge of
oonspirmy.
Sir It. Carden—There can be no other course for gentle-
men alluded to, as these gentlemen have been this day,
to pursue than that of coming forward. It is useless to
talk of the authority of a summons in comparison with the
stem* impression of the obligation of gentlemen to appear
upon hearing that their conduct has been publicly im-
pugned. I have heard quite enough to induce rue to sum.
ion certain parties.
Mr. Sleigh said if the Alderman had determined, as had
been expressed at the former examination, to commit his
client, he would reserve the argument with which all the
materials powerfully supplied him, fir an occasion
when the subje t would meet with an examination news-
eerily more strict and scrupulous. He did not seek to get
away his Client from any apprehension of the decision of
th• jury. On the contrary, be looked with perfect security
to their verdict, finding as they would find that be was a
"an more sinned against than sinning, the victim rather
than the perpetrator of a wrong. lie, however, must en-
treat the press not to give any precipitate opinion upon the
ems of an untried man who, alter all, might prove to be the
lupe of others ; but, on the contrary, adhere to the good
old English maxim that every man was supposed to be in-
nocent until he was proved to be guilty.
Sir W. Carden then adjourned the further investigation
antil Wednesday, whin he would, he said, expect to see
the gentlemen whom the numerous complainant' seemed to'
soasider to be in some respects identified with the prisoners
at the bar. The Alderman again stated that it was his in-
tention, if there appeared to be any occasion for addi-
tional assistance in the investigation, to desire the aid of the
City solicitor.
The prisoners were then remanded.