The Express.
London, England, 1862-02-25 00:00:00

OVONOOHUL

Lent I'ALIIERMTON—fer, I am desirous of sal leg a
be words us a matter ad wry pest interest and unpin-
tree to the home, bon= it home se moo of its moat
important privileps—l omen the *Ave sauctiord by
arriest elutes. of perfect holism at abate in this hers
—freed.= of speech. It be oar privihis to say whatever
we theak at right le say is psalmist, mid it in a broach of
bee seedily' of this hoses that whatever soy amber says
▪ lie boon shell be quelasewl oat el it by any prison
wareserver. That is the corporate privilege of
parliament, and a mat important privikige it is,
he without perfect freedom of speech on the pert of mem-
bon, the proper fuectioes of the bore emelt sot be
rissiereiv red esefo:ly &wheezed. (Her, beer.) Then,
soaaistbalaase that latitude, se law mho and regitlw-
hew of our owe, by whieb any monabor is liable to bo
stepped by die penes who site in your seek, sir— the
Speaker for the mese burg--d he says siything con.
Wry to the reps of parlianteet, or at renown with the
mile sad regulatiee which, for the dignity Ned diessimm
tar boost, have boos estobliobod aid erstrillehedeltillb"S•
be eroded. Ilet this there Is another role, namely,
rat error it ray reins that the 9peeakett may not feel
er spikenard the ellessiss farce of some rosseseet used,
es reving upon a .meshes of the bee" it is sempetent for
▪ eneestier with mused hi whom the espreeden used may he
werilieg to his fearer er derepiery to kis character, to
pt up thee and then est step the peewee speeding, and ask
yea, air. and the bore, le presourse as opoton whether
web as improvers ieple7 or So be well or sot. The
we y is winch these bear owe the matter which
1 dram it my Jute to lay fore the house, I will now state.
le the coon* of Friday eyrie, led sly right hon. frised
tee Seeretatx for tiered used SONO expressioes, which later
is the cremes I ems isterreed were oneitelemil by the hoe.
mernler tor Tipperary to kis otensies to him, and peremally
bearing up n bin,. He task so arise el the expesesior at the
tune, and eitiong pessedet theoriser to had any body to
thaik that come juror of any sort weld arise different
teem what I have stated; bat late at night.
atm the house hail been counted oat epos a divines
commies's, and therefor wen adjourned, it was intimated
te to. that the inu. member for Tipperary hail Mime offence
et moms of the expreesioes used by my right hog. friend,
awl lb it II na.• likely that results out of this bowie might
proceed ibereiroin. Well, sir, beeline in nailed what are the
penile ...es of this house, sod that it is a distinct breech of
privilege for any member of this hereto sulk. bretilelyout
1 the. too«, ass ,sprivalon made use of in di. lute, I thought
it right lisfore quittisig this house to write to nor right ho.
Mail the sue retary for Ireland a letter which I *ball now
real to the hour It was written after the house had ad-
jpersed. 11 any intimatima bad leen nude to
me before the house adjourned, then, of cameo,
It writ have been my duty immediately to turn
ends agree commushotioe to the house, but, the bore
bowleg edertareere it smart of my power to hare taken any
etre ember the I have dose. I deemed it any duty to take
lie stop et writing this letter, because, having the honour of
Was at the best of the gardener of which my right
Iwo herd is a niemher, and also haying the honor of
being tiered with the metric' the bushier of this house,
I thsegbt it so.. my duty to.es that the privileges of Ibis
bean were not violated in a manner which I ass sure wield
be paieful to all parties in the boar. (Hear, hear.) The
his,. to my right honourable friend was as follows:
"House of Commons, rob. 21, IRE.
" My dear Peel, —lt boa been suggeoed to ma that the
011iouieglini may contemplate sending you a hostile
is ewvrequence of what be cousiders your allusive to Miu
is your speech this afternoon ; and I think it right, there.
sere, defile I leave the house to remind you that such a
proceeding by the tillourlisie would be a breech of the
privileges of the house, and that if you were to aumpt such
a eliallen,;e you wouhl make yourself a party to that breach
el
privilege. Your duty, therefore, is ouch car would be
be tether the nineties —(laughter)--and I should in such
ere deem it my duty to state the matter to the house at its
meeting on Moakley, in order that the house might deal
with the neater in the manner which it has %twiny deslt
with matters of the rate hied on former °Orions. It
eerie to me, moreover, that your official Position renders
it the nine unlimber upon yon to &VIM infringing the
privileges of perbeinient and making yourself a lent to
what would le a [Willie sandal. (1;0124:111.1 cries of fiery,
reel l'oarL elucerely, PALIICHATON.—The Right Hoe.
Mir Bober: Peel, hart., flu."
fleavro I wrote that letter late at night, and gave it to
▪ messenger to deliver it to my right hos. friend early on
latenley morning. In the COWIN, of Saturday isminuni.
cations tied' place err led to a request—not that which
1 cajoined my right hoe. frieed to dishes if it were med.
—but r reqn,Lt to same a fired. (Laughter.) I requested
my right hou. friend to refer to me. (Loud laughter and
deem a Not, however, with the view of :writing prolanii.
eery arr.ingoineuts, but to refer to me the hoe. and gallant
pathos iu vino wet eneentisaioned by the hou. member for
!Seminary to eoLurnueleato with my right hoe. friend. I
sew that bun. and gal me& pothers this morning, and I
enplaned di him the bowleg of the erietemplated pro-
testers ou the rules aid privileges of the homes. (Hair,
bear.) I stated that 1 should deem it my duty, at ban-
ged tour to dry, to briery the matter to the notice of the
Uttar, its older. sir, that you and the house might deed with
h is arch a inruaer as might be conliderel expedient.
1 se- thought it right to inform the hoe. reemior fur le
r
pr+ri that "Ich
Man his place. ;ire tuirillhaviii,g.ncliin mverilistbatytl have only
to mu that I lea.. the matter for you sad the house to
dial with. (Hear. hear.)
The —Tres having been lirnught tinder the
maim of tee house a &start breach of privilege committed
by the lee. member for Tipperary, it becomes n.y duty im-
mediately to call ups that hon. member to etre'. his
wart for that breech, and to give the house we merger
that the matter shall proceed no further. (Heir, lover.)
Marie GAVIN —sir, as I am the frond of the
Ittlb•ii..jitue I trust the honee will allow me to say a few
weeds in explaeatioe. I think when they hare Maid them
they will agree with me that I have within/ to rupee
ie nwoil I'. the mune I have taken is this natter.
I belies.. every penes who beard the debut • of Friday
swede it that aria, the discuseiee vent string language
log act. ese of by the right hr., four. w-t Sacretairy
fur Ireland is referrer to my friend the hon. mronlver for
. (lieer, bust.) My has. friend the ...wilier far
lSIM" eery, sot atltillfinjolo the ruin"( the house by
_cars
m-1 at the neent the t hon. learned te order, Wt the
Dow 'Pert iseligneet anal highly secerpied. upon
see at the riot, oe Saturday moreing. eel LLat..l to rm. dirt
be felt lionaelf grossly offended by the right bin. harutiet's
0110.,..ti0n.. I legged him to put in Writing then word. be
kit butt at, and he did so. If the house ell alter me
will state what the wards were. Whew I Cotiaiileat,l over
OP language seek re t iy IM tai boo. ben net. I ileitis
aped with say hoe sib fee way art that h_t ben
iliac u enowalosemi hi my bee friend I alone am respon-
se/Jr I hoar, hoar.) The hem lee herd the i
end lir the tight hoe. loweest, se well le 1 so=
hot, it ea. in Aries n 'bounties held in the Rehm&
r• Ituhde. which re perkind err by the teDessiegkera
Tha right has. tamer said that that mesties el
areakie traitors, who isnitowl themeless-pasha peen*
bp in sad that he was happy le Any that h ter set
eitwolod be a siege, respectable mese. I thee it wet
solowtlitag to that effete; and if I am onveg. the boo= will
await Ma I considered them words. tad I nieked et
the washable that they were weenie wheb w pentlemen
shoal, iv-it usage. I hew bees I. the army 21 rem end I
sae merle that no snob lagoraago week! be reemills" es
Yee howeiruble preforger thing of that opiate... aid also
hones a verygpest epees, of the right hoe. reefers the
maim ter Tansweeth, I was eneviseed that it would eel?
be sesemary fee me he fakir bete the 'abject with bile, lied
lint he epeeist give me suit an espitastiwo as would be
imisfastary to my hoe. fried. end I meet to Mir It. Pell et
hio boom Meet LT Ads* on flekeday moreies. lie bed
jom loft his louvre sod I preeseded te the Itieh-elko. I
Ow bed an interview viii kWh era Iter him that tey

friend limbos, member for Tipperary felt that the language
he bad node •II•1 of cm the previous miming was such that
one gentleman could out bear from soother, and that I was
ashy saute uruiou. I said that my hue. friend could not
rest under it, and that it required an explanation. I told
him the words attributed to km, sod I endeavoered to get
him to show me to say to the O'Donogitue that he msant
no otten, ti that hon. gentleman. I even went further
and tried by separatalthe words "nu respectable persons
attenikd the meeting, from other words in the offensive
pamage of the speech, to iodise him to make that admis-
sion. lloscver, the right hon. baronet said he would
adhere to hi, laugusge iu its entirety. I then asked hire to
refer in., to a friend. (laughter.) He said I must write to
him ou the subject, and I did. and if the house will allow me
I well read the letter :—" My dear Sir Itubert,—As the
explauation giveu by you to me regarding the words
111.1kat use of by you towardethe O'Donughue last eight iu the
house is not satisfactory, and as the matter cannot possibly
retnaia in its present position, I mum request you at once
to refer toe to • (mud.' About 8 o'clock on Saturday
evening I received • letter from the right hon. baronet,
which is very short and sweet- -(hiughter)—stating that he
had referred it to a frieol I naturally supposed that I
would have been given the name. but no name was men-
tioned. That hitter, though written at half-past 4 o'clock,
I del sot receive until late at night. Last night I got
Another letter from the right hon. baronet stating what the
house has already heard. that be referred me to the noble
lord at the head of the government. (Laughter.) The
house will allow me to say that there is no one, I believe, in
the house who would so readily respond to any
thing of the kind as the noble lord. (Laughter.)
The letter was to the following effect :—"ln consequence of
a conauutecation I received from Lord Palmerstou very early
ou setuntty,iin Saturday morning 1 referred the letter you
addressed to me to the noble viscount, and I have received •
reply from the noble viscount desiring tne to refer you to
hue." (Laughter.) I did myself. the honour of waiting
upon bud Palmerston this meriting early, and I stated to
haul that Sur R. Peel had referred me to him; that I came
for all explauation of the words made use of by the hoe.
limpet ou Friday night in debate, red that I thought he
would agree with me that such words ought not to be
pissed over. The noble lord told me what the rules of the
holm. were, suet 1 said, "Oh, my lord, if you take this up
otheielly, it is no use my taking up your time any further.
(Laughter.) Finding that the whole matter had been taken
up officially, and that in fact it was reported to you, sir,
before 1 deemed it necessary to wait upon the right hoe.
baronet, I felt myself placed io • very painful peeitiou.
I dal what I considered my duty towards my friend. (Hear,
hear.) I had to vindicate his honour, and 1 went about it
in the only way I endemism!. (Laughter.) The honour of
my boa. friend the mintier for Tipperary was placed in my
hands. It is now handed over to you, air, and the noble
lord at the head of the Treasury, and I hope you will pm-
serve it. (Hear, bear.)
The SPEA K ER—The hoc. and gallant member for Lime.
rick, speaking ea behalf of the bon. member for Tipperary,
has received full latitude. sad I must now point out to the
house that it would not be proper for the house to follow
to the extent be has goes. because one of the rules of the
home is, if inceptiori be taken to any words spoken in de-
bate, it must be taken at once and upou the spot, and that
no words tan come under discussion to which such excep-
tion has not bees taken, and which have sot been written
down by the clerk at the table. The importance and value
of that rule is illustrated in the present case. The hon.
awl gallant gentleman has not produced the exact words
used ou the occasion. It is therefor* my duty to inform the
house that it is contrary to the rules of the house to proceed
to discuss the words which passed on Friday evening. The
time for dummied those words hastens by. Now, a breach of
haa been brought under the uoticoof the house, and
it is again my duty to call upuu the hon. member fur Tippe-
rary to express his regret for having committed that breach
of privilege, which I must observe to him is an offence to-
wards the house, and to give an assurance to the house that
the matter shall not proceed any further. (Hear, heard
The O'DONOUHUE —Sir, I hope it is unnecessary for me
he say that I regret deeply doing anything to violate is an
why the privileges of this house. (Hem, hear.) I
may say that 1 am almost the last person in
the house to do anything to wound the seamy-
tdoilities of any hoe. member. (Hear, hear.) I hope,
•1 however, the house will accord to me for • moment that
consideration which it invariably exceeds to those who have
personal explanatioes to make. Having received this after-
noun an intimation from the noble lord at the head of the
goverument that he deemed it his duty to mike this even-
, mg • statement in reference to myself, I have accordingly
attended in my place, and as I took it for greatest that the
ststemeut of the Goble lord would refer to what took place
on Friday night. made a copy of the words used by the
right hon. bare et the chief secretary to the Lonl-Lieu-
teuant of brined, which I considered personally offensive.
In rising to offer a few words of enplauation, I am sure I
do not el roceously estimate the character of this house,
when I expect from the house all the more consideration
from the fact that the right hon. geutleruan did all in his
power to excite prejudice against me. Perhaps the house
will permit me to read the words which I tonsidered offeu-
sive Alluding to the alleged prosperity of Ireland the right
hon. gentleman sad, •Of the justice of that opinion no
more remarkable proof can be adduced than that which
took place the other Jay, when there was danger of rupture
with America, and Ireland was tilled with American emis-
saries, who tried to raise a spirit of disloyalty. A meeting
was held at the &Amide, at which • few manikin traitors
sought to imitate the cabbagetardeu traitors of 1848; but
I am glad to my that they met with no ree
sponse, -that there was no one to !clime, and that
there was not • single man of respectaliility who answered
the appeal." I felt that that lingunge was personally
effeusive to me, and I thought I could out let it peas. I
felt that the right hon. baronet had come down to the
house having 1•1(111 up his mind to disparage my social
pesition. I do nut attach any important.. to assertions or
IDSIOU4IIOIII made in the excitement of debate, or in the
hest of ar.s mment. Great allowances are to be made for
speakers under such circumstances ; bath am quite prepared
to do the right bon. baronet the kitties of saying that hi
speeches bear the marks of careful preparation.
His meaning ea Friday night was quite manifest,
because his observation drew all the eyes of the
hou,e upon me. (Hear, heard What wee Ito do! Could
I submit to such an imputation, to such an affront, with-
out forfeiting my claim even to associate with honourable
men, and without bringing diagram. on the memory of those
whose honour I am bound to cherish, and without, I may
my, entailing a legacy of shame tie those who came after
? What course was Ito take! I am perfectly aware
teat the ancieet mode of arbitrament has fallen into dis•
use, but I am likewise aware that those unseemly manners
which rendered it almost necessary have also disappeared.
(Hem, litsr.) What thee did I dos. I consulted my hon.
and gallant friend the member fur Limerick, in whose hands
I felt my honour was perfectly safe, and upon whore Jude-
!neut, material as it is by the experience acquired in the
most honourable of professions, I could implicitly rely.
I consulted with my hon. friend, sad he agreed with me
that I was entitled out only to expect an explanation from
the right hon. gentleman, but that I was bound to demand,
and if possible to obtain, an explaustion. Well, sir, we did
all that we could to obtain an explauatino. I ant sure the
house will agree with me that there was nothing bullying in
the tom we adopted. Well, we failed to obtain it ; and if
Imu forced to come to the conclusion that the right has.
baronet is taut in an eminent degree distinguished by thew
qualities for which hi countrymen generally ste remarikedie
the fault is certtiuly nut muse. 1 must say that whaterwor
the right homourable gentleman may think flu to may with
regent to my political imuduct or course of action, bare
uotbing to say to it. He may talk as much as be planes
about cabbage-garden heroes, and with Al the inure Imam
from the fact that the inferences which the right ben.
gentlemau wishes the public to draw are hosed on the asset
&greet misrepresentation of facto. When I say that
the right hon. baronet is perfectly at liberty to
say whet he likes about my political conduct, I may explain
it in this way, that I should coosider myself perfectly
juitiliel, if I thought it worth while, ti say that the right
bon. gentleman's conduct +bee he went to Derry and
spoke as he did of the Archbishop of Dublin was moat dia-
criehteble—(lcouil cries of "Order")—but I do not feel my-
self justified in saying—

- .
The SPEAKER—I do not think this lean eismien on
which it is competent for the hon. gentleman to enter into
a general diseases, of this nature. The matter is con-
fined in much one ewer limit& (Hear, hear.)
The O.II4INOGRUZ—Iiir, I bow to your decision, but
before I sit down I wilt le way that I begin to be afraid that
the mind of the right hem gentleman is out quite so hollow,
and that there is mesh more of craftiness and cunning ill
his disposition. (Lend cries of "No," and "Order.")
Then, in combining I will only say that the right lion.
gentleman is much mistaken if be supposes ho can force me
here to withdraw from a position which I occupy elsewhere,
or to renounce opinions which I conscientiously hold, mod
which I erniscieuttomly believe are held by the great ma.
jority of the Irish people. In conclusion, I hare to thank
the house for the attention they have accorded to n.e, and I
thank the right hon. gentleman for the opportunit he haa
afforded me of exhibiting him in his real
(Laughter, murmurs, and cries of "Oh," in the midst of
which the hon. gentleman resumed his seat.)
The Pilli.t K lilt— l trust the hon. gentleman is aware
that the matter in question lies not between himself and
the right hoe. baronet, but between himself sod the house—
(hear, howl—and I hope that he will not ocuelude his speech
without some reference to the position in which he ham
placed himself with the house.
The O'DoNI)OHIf E —I thought I had already apoingimed
to the house for mounitting a breach of their privileges.
(Cries of " Nri.") I think 1 may ad a that after what bail
passel at would be almost uousameary for me, but of
course I am ready to may, if it is mammary, that it shall go
,so further. . . _

Ttao matter thee dropped.
THE NAVY ESTIMATES.

Ills the tontioe that the house go into committee of
supply uo thu navy solisiates,

Admiral WA LetVIT askaithe Secretary to the Admiralty
whether the Royal Mariner met to set is moinnetioe with
the tro..ro of deems mil Realm epee service in Mexico,
were supplied with lasts and Add artillerj ; or whether
their clutter would be redneted to prrieomoa Vera Cruz
and the furtrimeof St. lam CMGs; mad in the latter event,
whether dne caution bed hewingweeeed aple the eons-
unamiseg odteer to Wen a pee Noe where their health and
amitary arreagemmte meld be beet reared previous to
their baerbas.
Sir 1. ELPHINEITONE mid be wished to ask the her.
membe• fur Oalordelare whether it wee hie intentioe to
more toe tie re-appointment id the Admiralty oconzeittem

Admiral DUNCOMBE wished the noble lord to explain
whether the supplementary vote of Mit,OUlli. odd in-
cluded the whole naval expenditure on account of the
Canadian reinforcements, or whether, in addition, a sins
which there was from last year hail been appropriat to
the same
Sir H. 171EreOUGHBY inquired whether certain mom-
mendatione of the Admiralty Committee, se to the dock-
yard accounts, had Limn complied sill?
These questions pee rise to a di,cnssion, or rather clis-
cosoi"na, eta diacursive character, but relating to topics of
much interest, in which Mr. Henley, Mr. Bentmck, Sir M.
Seymour, Sir F. Smith, Sir M. Pete, and air J. Pakington
prcietpabd.
Lord C. PAGET replied to the questions of which notice
had been given, observing, with reference to the appoint-
ment of the Admiralty Committee, that the government
were quite ready to agree to, though it was not for them to
propose, its reappointment; and he deferred noticing the
miniellaneous topics incidentally discussed until the house
was ha committee.

Mr. LINDSAY, refening to the statements by the go-
vernment last session of the strength of the French iron
feet, upon the faith of which • large sum Lad been voted,
complained that those statements had been exaggerated,
supporting his argument by an account of the actual condi-
tion of the French iron fleet which he had just received, and
which showed that we were greatly in advance of France.
Seeing OS, and that we had more wooden ships than all
the world put together, he did nut think there was a neces-
sity for so large an outlay as was proposed in the eitimates,
especially in regard to wooden ships, and he protested
against this large expenditure,
Mr. BAXTER took the same view as Mr. Lindsay, con-
sidering that very strung and cogent reasons should be given
for the large (Manatee proposed. The disturbing causes
having ceased, why, be asked, should we not return to the
ordinary average rata of expenditure in 1857 and 1868?
He stated facts to show that there had been a delusion as
to the strength of the French navy.
The house then went iuto a committee of supply.
Lord C. FACET moved the navy estimates ; and in the
fret plisse referred to the questions !Maeda. to the strength
of the Free& navy, and reiterated the assertions of last
year as to the number of French iron-plated weasels afloat
and reedy to go to sea. He stated that the estimate pm-
posed for the present year amounted to 11,714,3061,, being
• decrease on that of last year of 846,2 EU. There was a
reduction in the sum for the number of seamen, for stores,
and steam machinery, and for the transport service. There
was an increase in the vote for that valuable fore., the meal
reserve ; and an increase in the vote for artificers. There
was an apparent decrease of 9,001. W., but in fact that was oily
2,0001., as the number of boys was stated by itself, and not
partly among the men, as heretofore. This would be ef-
fected without the loss of the beet men to these/Mee. The
form afloat to be maintained was, 10 ships in the Mamma
= 6/1/144 in the Moliterreneso ; and in America, and other
the numbers made the total 1411 vessels of all
eludes. In many instances frigates could be substituted for
linesf-battle ships. There were also coast guard ships and
Work ships, which would bring the whole force up to 160
maids. The total number of men, coast guard, and boys
te be maintained would be 54,200 afloat. Besides
US. the Imes available for war, there were men
end boys, 4,400 ; marines on shore, 9.800 ; coast guard
M shore, 4,C ; riggers in dockyards, 700 ; able.
bodied pensioners, 4,400; making 73,300 men. Then
them was the royal naval reserve, whose noble and
astrisble conduct recently showed how thoroughly they
were be be depended on ; first-rate seamen as they were,
who seer exceeded 10,0110, their cost per taco, including
wow limes, Omen* ships end all, was cleat 131. a year.
The b WON of the merchant service were joining
this /wee. The coast volunteers were 8,030. There
VA OS the whole 40,800 men In reserve, ready for
swim to emergency. That, with the form in corn-
mission, made a force of 96,000 men, which gave
at least a satisfactory condition of our force afloat
and our lerViCet. Then as to boys—the nursery for
the envy—there were 9,000, of which 6,500 were in the
feet, 54.3 in the coast guard ships, and 2,500 in fattish*
ships, costing about 451. per annum each. They filled up
the casualties of the navy at the rate of about 2,500 par
1611111/1. Referring to the sanitary condition of the navy,
be slated the average death rate was 16 per 1,000. Means
wen Wag taken to improve the ventilation of ships of
war, and the oomplmente of men could be reduced. There
was an improvement in the quality of the food of the men,
which had caused an increase in the victualling vote.
Worts would be made to improve the education of the
men. The number of desertions bad considerably decreased
mil corporal punishment bad also decreased to • very low
point. The noble lord gave • list of the steam vessels of
the navy afloat and building, amounting to 580. Referring
to the reduction of the armaments of ships, he stated that
it was owing to the straining of long steam ships, and the
alteration of the system of ordnanoe which implied few
gum and heavy shut, that this esperiment was being tried.
Referring to iroo.cased ships, he stated that the Warrior
cost 354,8101. There were 15 iron ships build-
ing, of which 11 would be afloat this year, 12
Pent year, and in 1864 there would be 15 afloat. There
was • totally novel class of vessels about to be coo-
structed on Ceptem Coles' cupola plan; one was about
to be built this year, carrying six of those iron cupolas sad
12 large Armstrong gum. She would have no masts.
With regard to the Warrior, she encountered on her left
voyage most terrific weather, but she arrived at Lisboa
without any serious defects. As to her not steering, the
fact was her helm was so constructed that she had not
sufficient play. The noble lord then commented on each
vote in detail, and concluded by moving the first vote
of 76,00 seamen, boys, and marines far the fist aid
coast guard.
After • discussion which went considerably into details,
Lord PA LMERSTON said— My boo. friend the member for
Sunderland, and my hon. friend the member for Moutrose,
have stated that they imagiaed I was very much deceived
in the statement I made lest year as to the iron fleet the
French government had built or were building. I think if
there is any delusion on the subject it is on their part, not
on mine. (Hear, hear.) And though I do not want to re-
peat every year the names of ships and places. I assure you
that the twestycir iron ships I stated were completed,
and others are either completed or in progress ; that there
is no diminution in that particular, and that, so fax (Km
it, if I am not very much mistaken, it is not • great tints
wince the question of forming ten more was uoder con.
sideratioo. _ .

Sir J. ELPHLNSTONE said that the bottom of Ports-
mouth harbour was not a shifting one, and that there was
no point in the Channel where docks could be made so
cheaply and accessibly. All that was required was to apply
steam power to remove the obstructions. He could not
agree with the noble burl the Secretary to the Admiralty,
that the ships should be disarmed • but be thought that
the weight might be lessened, by reducing the masts and
other weight. in the centre of the ships. As Ferreted the
provisions for the seamen, he was glad the Admiralty bad
taken the business of curing into their own hands. le a
sanitary point of view it would be of great benefit to
the service. He entirely coincided with the report of the
navy commission, who considered that the great experteseat
was to try and get the house to adopt the naval reeernt
and if that succeeded, the question of the officen of the
merchant service would follow as • matter of course.

The vote was thee agreed to.
The vote of :1,6:0,0010. for &fraying the 'wages of the
seamen was agreed to, as was also the vote of 2,626,0001. far
victuals for the seams.. . . .

Mr. then moved that the chairman do repcst
Progrow
Lord C. PAGET said it might be convenient to the hewn
to state that he would promW with the remainder of the
navy estimates on Thursday. (Hear, hear.)
The home then resumed.
BLEACIIFIELDS (WOMEN AND CHILDREN
EMPLOYMENT) BILL.
Mr. BAXTER brought in the above bill.
PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

On the motion of aciaddrese for copy of
the oaramission appointed to inquire into certain public
mdioola iu Eughied was agreed to.