The Express.
London, England, 1852-03-20 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 20, 1852.

oduetiesehisab-110111 bow heard that there were forme
foe width blifll6lllll6 Algiers were ready to bid the so
3,. rata tenant was about to quit, and totake the load at the
aam, Rota. We shall have corrections and disavowals,
to what weary discussing will be discussed elsewhere.
(Bear, hear.) I say this, that Litho Duke of Richmond
be. hi. lead on these terms, awl on • tenant leaving, has
half a Jests& farmers relay and willing to take it, be would
be eery incapable of managing his own affairs if be deter-
mined to reduce the rent of that farm. (" Rear, bear,"
sad cries el t• Questiou.") Nothing could be better tor the
muse of free-trade, than that we should have the question
killed by the people of the country. I my we ought to
bare their decision appealed to as soon as possible. I am sot
an.: of yen mining up other questions with the one to be
sleet ad by the lwoplr, the interest of the country is is the
eiglit, and all I Ask is that you will give the people the op-
',serenity of militia to that decision. (Loud cheer.)
• )Jr. aftl,ES (afor rehte...ing Mr. Cobden for some obser-
vat..l.so Lc had mal
es upon the state of the Duke of Rich.
rty, pite the amurances of Lord March, and
more gentlemanly conduct on Mr. Cohdeo's
par•
t' .1. elated that his piety hat no fear of • diesolution,
but acted that tbc opposition had no right to dictate
ts the unaistry whets they should advise the dis-
solution. which Lord Johu Itumall had said was 13111.
Lord Derby Lad spoken plaiuly enough,
an▪ d
bed said that, walese protection as
recoin-
Mended by • large majority of the new parliament, he
would have recourse to ether measures. lie denied that
the efottetioe illyi!AtiClt had prep sled improvement, and
point..l trlump!.antl) to what he described as the failure
mr.m,, hi aid hi, loch terming. Ile urged the pawing
et
the istimat. • .sod Other necessary measures, after which
he thought. should • dissolution not take place, the opps.
anise would h juoitie.l in planner forth its strength.
yle c.tlain ELL said that there was never on occasion
when calmness and deliberation were more required, for
the Mews was called on to settle a question on which the
hareems, of a tree people depended. lie contended, on
the authority of Sir Robert Peel, that the duty of a go.
eminent wi.ich biand itself in a minority was either to
mega se to dimulve as earl as public exigencies would
permit. and reminded the house of the temptation
• mattury course held out to parliament to tamper,
soomaitahostally, with the prerogative of the crown.
It soy the part o: the .ipponents of such a pulley to do the
duty there 15i.P. sent there to discharge, but not factiously
',lien, they had to guard against the
straits of tie pr.s.ctionots to take by sap what they danol
not false Let ...e lie rot. r... 1 into stonties to show the
e: te •trask policy, which had in tea years
raised tr half as much again as it was
b. tor.. an!. rel.:as...tor this system with the Ameri-
ca, tacit( with a protection of 20 or 30 per
• 11.0% pornounced unsatisfactory in the Stater,
osier,' whet .sr it were really upon American principles that
govenim. at proposed to legielate t Let us, be urgeJ, pro-
s, et Ilritob a dustry, but let us do it by adherence to the
sym.m e 1 1,. to. oh eh had already worked so admirably,
w h mole the fon .gner pay, which diminished the bur-
den. es the people, and which did not injure the exchequer.
'I he sy.t. in %twit had been the Utopia of Adana Smith had
ten th.- accomplohno IA of Sir Hubert Peel. Ile con-
.l by e. :amino.: that if the Commons of England did
a..: .I, ore those gr.at ondu reversed, it was their duty to
cal. m. ti.. maisstry to captain their intentions, and to
else for play to the country. If the hoses did nut do this,
ta hi. 0140100 they w.titld 'betray their duty to the consti-
tution.
Mr. CATLEY denied that protectionist policy was fairly
Fermented by its ipp on. nn, its object hay been Neely
demnhed a.. that sit abridging the food of ing
the people.
Tki• was not sa, but the protectionists bad always,
erinsidered employment, rather than food, the primary
*bp et to he kept in view fur the benefit of the people. Re
beni..l that the prosperity spoken of had been the malt of
free trade, or that at the present time it really eaten bet
he said that he had never been an advocate foe ".. to
m'o as tion it lormerly existed; holding, indeed, aret
every ether warts of relief should be first exhausted. The
opp.oition was angry that the government would not be
dragged tit', an advocac of protection, so that
the free traders might have a decent quarrel with
them on the homing.. But he did not think • more
espliett declaration ought to be required of Lord Derby's
imminent. The farmers of England knew their friends,
sad had given Lord Derby their eosfidesee. The govern-
ment had to complete free trade, new emended; to caw
plebe reciprocity, and to complete !evince of Walton; and
might legitimately go to the minify on any of them goes.
Sons, rather than no protection. bat he thought that,
nailer the circumstances of the eases and if the minntey,

the nisei- velem It het se ulterior yaw, should allow
the gueenimatit la he mein es fee the period raeired by
I"4LoirdperbYJ. RUBERLLIht they had here very great and
important questions te f bey had especially two
qui-worm; the use • esestinelenal question, and the other
question of the isommarefid pulley, which had been pursued
since IMO to the paten tam Now, with respect to the
tint, namely, the camaktitlend question, upon which he
thought the mime appeehanie• had existed, much had
been said and=la blenself, which he thought
wee totally (Viar..l bees.) He would tell the
bane what occurred to him upon that subject. It appeared
to him that the course of the preent Wilitimer was one that
was perfectly clear, and one that he owned he was surprised
he had not adopted. The late ministry having resigned
their situations alto the hands of her Majesty, she had
inked him to whom she should have recourse ; and although
he was not positively bound to recommend his successor,
yet knowing that the Earl of Derby was at the head of the
greatest party in the House of Commons, and that which
was most likely to find support in that house, he bad re-
commended the noble lord to her Majesty. As be (Lord J.
ltusoll) expected the noble earl accepted, and remind the,
conimmion her Majesty had given him. At the amen=
of the new ministry everything was perfectly regular amp'
constitutional. They had nothiog to do but to baba *girl
mats in that house, and appear as invested with the en&
dente of the crown. But • hat was the step?
onaresl
as they had always said, differed from the ia
policy which had beta adopts d and punned epee ISMS ;
and now one course for them to take was pethely easy,
aami ly, to maintain the existing 'louse of Commons, and to
propose to that house the measures of which they approved.
That was the course which Lord Grey followed in Ib3l,
when that noble lord proposed the Can Bill to the hone,
whet had been summoned during the adminieteaties el
the Duke of Wellies/tom. lie (Led I. takes
a:ei a similar course in 1816, when, with tbe SOWN a
Cummons is which Sir Robert Peel lad peopmell ami node
an alteration in the Coss Bill, he (the settle Ind) earand
on the business of the oreality denies Nat awls. emit
until its conclusion. But them wesVirewhe efieffbee efelee•
which a new minister might Aeon teeno—sneenedeeht-
less attended with public amendment, with natell hemen,
ad open toottetioe—but Mill • nameis jerkily ass-
stitotioosl, an nee le as al" 'The
hooourable gentleman the floceseary fee the
had declared that be wined to reverse, ails,
_, er
modify the airmerin whisk led been salogretteima
the existing govermusne mad that they
at the close of the public beings to demean rile.
mane, and submit to a arm we the 'scare ethic
conceived to be beet fee the welfare of the country. time
that coarse, likewise, no eigesdea whatever could be stated.
If they had takes one sr the ether, he (the noble lord)
ehoulti have been perfectly willing to have waited till those
minims were proposed, and to have considered them, whe-
ther they were such measures as he could support. (Hear,
hear ) But thee had taken a course for which he would
venture to say that. was no proonnt la the history of this
military. (Loud chows, and cries of "Oh.") Since the
cou.titution had bees established, it had no grounds what-
ever in the maxims and rules of that constitution.
iße-
sewed cheers, and cries of "Oh, oh.") Hon. penmen
might dissent—but was he to be permitted to state his ar-
foment ? (Rear, hear.) The right hon. gentleman, the
hecretery forlthe Home Department, had mated this matter
very fairly the other night. He said that the president of
17st was not applicable. If he meant that it was totally in-
applicable. he (the noble lord) said that the quenon war
totally different. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Fox and his party had
been climuning all the grounds of the ease. They_ stated,
and they stated most truly, the arguments of Hr.
_For,
that the Minister of the Crown ought to have the conidence
et this house, sad, therefore, as Mr. l'itt did not enjoy
that confidence, he had no constitutional voice in that hone.
But they said something More than this. They maid that
the existing hogs, ought to be maintained. (Hoer, ItaarA
There they fell into ma error ; and Mr. Fitt, while 'he did
not deny that :it was necessary fur the
to have the confidence of the Hume of Commons, tarreini.lta
further plea—namely, that the crown could not be bound
for any considerable time to re fuse a dissolution ; sad that
although that assurance might have been given, yet the
wows was not to be precluded from using ite preemptive of
asp;., alio/ to the people es large. (Hear, nee) Be (Lord
J. Itunell) thought that Mr. Fez war perfectly right in
►his sement, aud that Mr. Pitt wee else Intently right iu
second argument, and that bed bees the rob sr the
of Commons since theta. (Nor, hear.) let Ws
had net Cie smallest bearing on the present arm. (Obsess.)
fie did not ten tend to say that the Mena sight MOMMISIIII/
ti/ &melee, in order to obtain • WiritY
of !he Min. of the present mininers; dill
on MI • Other side, that the 'Mains of the mown mess gob
s the confidence of the Hones of Cammems. min
hear.) Ile Leese of nu precedent which would be 'petal to
the mum "me. (Cheers.) In 18.16, It we said, that Hie
ens mere woe adopted. In IMil5 it we perfectly Me
that his Robert Peel did for mere thee inietain his Inn
ben gnome he was in a minority, but be (the sable les
helicon that Sir itsbert Peal fah as Wanly es pod*
that that mason was entrary to the tulle ettho aseethie
_ ha, an hat es had advised • dimoluties is well be
memeseat kr him b retire from alike. (Cheese) Id
'Mt was the peke, of the prawn mialetry ? It wee be
take seiner use OM= WM the ells,—aeither to go et
with the peeseat Home et Cleumern lied submit the mem
sans te it, es Lord Grey did la DM and ite he Unit Law
sell) did in 11016, me be adobe** Sees to died% a•
mom as the Memories= weuhl permit (firer.) But their
Itcyrnil wee, sad withipeat esenniansent be Led heard it
"rodeo...it, that the whole mein @Muhl p on gyro* the
meomptioo that the goverment wee is • minority ia
h.e..r; sad that at eine time—ebt re eight sew& heroism'
it might be as the mouth of Detwebn—gerlimeent might
b• dmoleed, en that then the lwmament would be
nviy to meet the bow with response, eleven many aft, r n had been toutituted. (Chem) He (the 661=
lo he that ',When to Le totally sounititutional. (
't at thi re moth( he same weeks Ginn as the constitution
61 5'.1111711 lit which was it' • seMerity before a demote.
tam
wbrh 1.,,‘ pine so one woolet rimy, but a goverrintalll
prudaireed and made it their avowal that tbq
.4 a suimmity, and that they would concisely
'7`. months, or nearly a whole year, without
i; r they puvseised the inn drive of the
• . „mow, -qua was a position which envy
"..n a a, .s he LW spoken said was perfectly new.

(Ch Mal wee to be dens be haw gill hat Oil 1
was ' that the ruin ef the tliGlibil• wire Illiko
I ESIIMINI ? -) It wes evident thee the Wen alea '
list regard either say pre mien which lined, or say
theme ordias_ry rules t. wish& denser midi** bees
(Cheers.) Well, them, having senidemi not in corn
was perfectly new, .
_he bad to vilest epee whet some d
Policy it became 101.111blas epos him to pursue. As he
had already said, bid theme bees no extraordinary come
taken, he should ben bee, ready to wait; and was
his hen. Mend the member for Wolverhampess Ifie,
Villiers) came to consult with bias on a notice he
given, he (the noble lord) threaded him from interim*,
with be minister of the crows before he had stated the
course be meant to pursue. But it had been made a great
crime I. him (Lord John Russell)—in him, the inhabitant
of a free country (laughter and cheers)—it was unde a
great crime in hint to ask to come to his house those poli
tie.ll friends with whom he bad berm in the habit of acting.
(Cheers.) It was a very extraordinary accusation this from I
I the Hail of Derby, because be had been in the habit of see-
' ing, during the east year and during the pre-
sent session, notices in the newspapers stating
that " yesterday about 100 gentlemen, members of the I
Howie of Camara, assembled at the house of the Earl of,
Derby, sad they had an eloquent speech from the noble
earl." (Loud laughter.) Why, the noble earl had assent-
bled a number of hen. members, no doubt of his political
opinions, at his own house, and had prescribed to them
what crane they should take with respect to his (Lord J.''
Russell's) Reform Bill. (Loud cheers and laughter.) Per-
hips it was rather extraordinary, 'hie,: it was meatiest the
emucidallios for peers of parliament to interfere with
electiessa-(loud cheers); but he (Lord J. Ituesell) was ter'
all of free discussion and free communications em
Mitten, and he should never have dreamed et
of it; but it had beets made a great CAM
1:21.1.1", something of a conspiracy, a compact, sod a remiss
tion—(laughter)— to invite to his own house those collided
friends who had been accustomed to act with him, end who
I had been accustomed for the last live years to ems to
Downing street to consult with him. (Cheers.) Why, be
had asked the gentleman to whom he had intrusted the
evanniesion of summoning those political friends whaler
no permit had been summoned to that meeting who had sat
been summoned to Downing.street since the eh:climb'
1817, and he had told him that there was not a single
onetme& who bed not been so suminciiii el. (Chain.)
Then it was called by the name of an " alliance ;" but
there was but one other person at that meeting, and that was
his right hon. friend the member for Ripon. (Cheers.)
lie (the noble lord) thought that he was perfectly justifirii
in asking him to attend. (Cheers.) What had been the
case with respect to that right hon. gentleman? When
that misfortune occurred to his government, the death of
Lord Auckland, he had asked the right 111/1/. baronet to ac-
cept the office of the First Lord of the Admiralty. The
right hon. gentleman declined, for rnsons to which it was
not accessary to refer, but he combined that refusal with
many exprearent of personal regard, and with general ex-
presiuus of agreement with respect to the commercial po-
licy and other political questions. (Hen.) More than
once he had asked him to join the Fovernmest, but thcagh
be had certainly declined, it was with renewed expremem
of the 1.111111 kind. He (Lord J. Russell) agreed with Mien
several matters of public importance, and had informed him
what mune berieresed to take upon every political questioa,
medial the fret Oat he had consulted him with respect to a
lieslies of cennerelal policy, in which, us the od-
e Ilk Behan Peel, he had taken so prominent a
pot, vas my mature!, sad was neither dishouourable to
his nor II die noble lord. (Load cheers.) It was only ,
natural that at that meeting those gentlemen who had been '
mem penanent in the diesasskin apes the repeal of the
MS law nil the oommoeld ameres of free trade, to give
their olden se to the semen they ehesld pursue. (Cheery.)
Ile did esidier it, thee, get esly right for him to call
his pealed Mends Wilbur, but that it was imam-
bent apes lin to convene such a meeting,
when they saw the rules of the constitution
were to be anspesied or me aside; and when they saw, on
the other hand that the eassequenees of that suspension
mut be that the reentry maid be kept for seven or eight
teethe he a ado of emsonedety se le the commercial
paltry Mit mil he paced. (Chem.) The ministers
hod node is slearethem proposal, bed asked for extra-
',Maury theressemes sa Ile part of the House of Cow-
en., aad had node es esiemerdinary se motion of power
as their pot, They pa it forward as the greatest sur-
ging to then that they had Ma said epee to accept
eillsa—(lambeer)—that wasting bat the for of en
log the conatry. without • g veesma 1 bad Induced them
to form a ministry. (I aaghtlr.) He (the meld
bad) on say that this pretence was a Yes en (Lai
Men) They were occupied in Inning hirweed mil=
egg mink had they succeeded, have pot in aid to the
/11111M1111. (Cheers.) At the very eseineseement of the
min the alga les. gentleman the Cleneelloe of the Es-
dimmer pigpen& a scheme that would have altered the en-
tire finalist pion of the government and have rendered it
neeessary fur them to retire. Again, with respect to the
hems ton the tercel of the window tax, and the genre.
IMMO 01= they supported by their votes motions kat
met ham they
of the government. (Hear,
heat.) He (the noble lord) did an may that they
were not justified in these modem, bat they were
perfectly inconsistent with the pretense limy bad put for-
ward. (Cheers.) At the =dot the lei anise the right
hon. gentleman the Chanel/1w elk, Delay of Lancaster,
went down to Edinburgh sled alined that Lord Derby
was perfectly ready to go isle GSM (Cheer.) He (Lord
3. Russell) wadi set dessibe be right hon. gentlenaa's
oratory. It bed his. add of Demosthenes, " `i Irma
Mimes !" bat he bed as doubt that it must have bean
exceedingly combiners (Load laughter.) At the ram
meneement of reasat session,
. the tint thing he CM
noble lord) need me, that a maistry was prepared to
take their a end one same ho tore especially resew
herd ha Med. namely, that et the right hon. member
fur hlidh who was said to be ready to gait the bee
Awe
of which he was an acknowledged onessest, and to mot
the office of Secretary of Stn. (Hew. beer.) Thee these
was the discreditable modes with readiest to Lord Carew
den, a motion of which may hoe. members were se
eimmid that they left the hem and thereby gave the loa
pras—e a onsisedie mierity. (Hear, hear.) The
able lewd wbe bad WWI& leeward that motion, probably
amnion to wipe away from himself the reproach of be-
ing connected with it, was smeared to have said
' that Midas but the seigeenes el Se pert y would ban
Waal bin to ban iremAtitet hewed. (Chem) Ties
' =was romered d the dieess ion of the isle.
Titles Bill, that presort gennessa hod
esolieed with • petty whose esemoosimilegastlea be Mid
met ties to elte. throw out the then e
Tin Mena. however, bid gladly Idled i loaPyrill
'hewed that In rentleen omits were cwt ialloosed
to deem the genrament, if - they could. Them. UM
regard to ese Mks of the noble lord the mender he Ti.
versa. there were,
__cm the division egainst the gweeemest,
the sense of the Chaeseller of the Bache the Hems
Seeseesey. the Colloid !emery, the of be
BMA of Osabal, sad the Plat Censaisieser of Washi—
ta sinks of the Mist. . beer.) Then was
able 60 fieseeller of the et Ineaster, the Chief
Beeteney for Ireland, the for Ireland,
load he ell. 21 mambas et the gowasaemt. (Chun.)
An the whet wee all Oh nil 1 nein wee • folly
hie poilansentsey wallies The to over
oil pat a fin sober 41110111 hots, air that the;
wen mime to mutes as ad edmiumilea with they
theorist ves met seregßila the mm hr the pii.
lie welfare. If they t so, their maths woe a op.
bitty natural sae. It t have bees aerated leo !r he
eosin cases. Al all mate, it was a hie green to bbly,
that the late genesnieut wee not acting for the
hamelit. But they bed its..., to take an e
ewer, and so;its,B by a hied st hiss prank be
soil
their real d ns. (Chian, gni "Noon," hen
naisterial bent .) Had be mot shows that My bils
thetas the whole of the int and the esomemeseassi et the
penes neon, dm their utmost, by piety asoisms, to
overturn the g evement. ea thar:Zirememe not eteemgess
to the division add* had led Whig therneemea ?
They accepted sines and be head me tab the loth
vidnais meet me seesaw= a the late geneamosat He
did met onessesed the mon of the extruesiimmuy Mi.
why aria Ind pronia Lord Darby seespier sass
blarlloll le lie dedentlem. that be semi met In per-
ms emeepeleat be it the semi aloft Xieher did be
use the nem hr their siraselimy andiesse as., is
saying they would met say mope Min but mad wry
ea the again of the onaor he a mien wash Mr. Pitt
mid sever have Ma tall semorgh to sesemer. (Cheats.)
Thit sever
wee, that la ll neater they wend easy ea
the again a the may within bens a yerdwarstary
aideeity. (Chess. mots, 1110. m la that reopet, a
my onderoble imp bedi bees nag be the seam of
thee main. The dedesellem of the Chneellor of the
liabzwee...tiotheaisa whisk be umthestead, bed ben
mai bed very mit shwa their It
en
bid shows Ike basin of gable thesaisa. It showed 1
that the paths Idea up mid mat be amnesia-4n M
had already, tithe words ef the right his.ltheadhsestary.
bees altered eel nethhoL kiln, beer.) He saw eon
to the Merlon of lee t of solenoid pee
hey. Thin was eselah, essadhar very ea
in the poen masa ef the sonistry. 1t meaty's:ire dialigese
total seem. mar wee I en a epee and manly avowal.
Every do podosed me dewy ; every nem had a di!.
Sorsa edam The amt nem yes net in the street would
peeks* sell yes-0 Will, the governor* love throws
say—. I ne Iles go
ov
their proerheard pesteethe allegether r while the next would
verm to ent Mend Onteins
pandas:es, awl will se doubt my them out is the neat
pail lam: at." (Cheers
isilnw.,) The eaesseasato
was there NOTI JPIIIIIIII ell OM*" anter—
ooms saying they would omen rove nuweat berms it
was a proteet,unist government, art others beams there
was not to be u :enema of the .can laws. (Heer. bear.)
This was a great evil and uncertainty. A ooble losibed told
these what a ,wotectionist was that it meant
a supporter of lewd Derby's government. (Cheers 'I
aid great laughter.) lly that definition a pests&
tiesiel_ might mean a tree trader; for many who supported
Lard Dsapy's gealrament veld they were free traders • amt
theo the tuwie* be anterrhargeelde tem,. ("Henn'
beer," sad .) This cc:tritely required some el*.
I Dation. The speaker said bind that the farmers le
&Judd knew their friends. lie rather doubted that, and
was inclined to think that had they known their Meek,
they w0u1,5 bare accepted the advice he had given then
' from time to :tate, and not have considered hint as their
enemy. (A laaagg!! from the ministerial benches.) hi lOU
he had said en 'Nought the farmers of England had nen
better accept an Bs. fixed daily, that there would probably
be a great alteration in the corn laws, and that it would be
to their advantage to makes compromise. But, no; he
was represented 11110Ver the eou,7try as the enemy of the
farmers. Now-a.claya, • gentleman advocating au Bs. duty
would be ettredil red a gr. At friend of we farmers. (Hear,
hear.) Is 180, be had asked them to c assent to a
eta-shilling duty, and to have corn. 1111U:1111t1011

d Ibe Yam whisk poled mss oodellithls• They
woad ad hoar of it ; and Ito woo solid an enemy to the I
Imam rr posposiutt it. (Haar. low.) In 1849, he had
Wed his. gentlemen eslte is give up Proice-
thm. they done so, would -have been iu a
ealnabilleillelf_ position sew, would nut have eeperi-
mad Os ellicuity that woe now before them. } ruin
Si present time they bad connote d tu advocate
posloNim. On a deputation welting on Lord Derby, with
• seeddios stating that Om were determined to do all
in** power to reverse the ilionsmercial policy of Sir it.
Pook he said, " I trust that what I now say to you will
mom use for ever from the misrepresentation of having
abandoned protection." So it had gone on up to the pre-
sent time. Now, they were told that a sliding wale was
not to dos thought of; that a fixed duty was nut to be ob-
tained yaw* by a decided majority in parliament; and,
moreover, that it must have the concurrence of the coun-
try—thus making • distinction between the House of
Commons and the country. (Hear, hear.) Thcn it
was said the duty would make a paltry and
almost ivappreciable increase of price —ln other words,
that if it could be obtained, it was not worth having.
(Hear, hear.) Thus this great egitatien, which had gone
on from 1846 to 18.52, with the view of persuading the
farmers to rely upon the party opposite, and to believe that
the would bring abon: a return to protection, ended in the
admission that it could not do more than procure an inap-
preciable increase in the price of grain. (Cheers.) And
what was that inappreciable increase compared with the
descent caused by the repeal of the corn laws from 50s. to
38s. per quarter? Could any farmer expect by that means
to get back anything like the protection he hail formerly
enjoyed ? IHear, hear.) Was there no danger in this ?
The hon. member (Mr. Caylcy) asked what they had to do
with the opinions of the farmers? A great deal; because
those opinions, though founded on mistaken vices of their
own interests, were still the opinions of the firmer', and
acted upon those of other classes. In 1846, during the die-
curion on the corn laws, it was a consolation to know
that the country gentlemen of England went with the
farm( rs of England, end that they had confidence in each
other. But if, after beiug led to expect a restorative of pro-
tection up to 18452, the fanners were suddenly deserted by
their leaden, there was a danger that, instead of choosing
the country gentlemen of England as their reprisentatiees,
they would choose among themselves persons who might
have senores not so conservative as those gentlemen oppo-
site. (Cheers.) A very considerable per.on, a man of the
greatest sagacity in this country, had said to bins out long
ago, "People talk of democrats and the dangers of demo-
cracy : for my part. I believe that some of the tenant-
farmers of Egland have more democratic notions than any
other class." (Cheers and " Oh, oh !" from the miuisterial
benches.) Another thing which the farmers had been pro-
mised was the revision of taxation. Thissounded very well,
but, on examination, would be found to contain a great
deal which hone gentlemen opposite would not like to en-
counter. (Hear, hear.) In 1830, Mr. Huskisson hail shown
the danger of levying so largo a portion of the taxation of
the country on articles consumed by the great body
of the people ; and Sir Robert l'col hail done
much toaster that proposition. (Hear, hear.) A great
protectionist in another cuuatry, AD. Thien, when there
was a free assembly in Fnuscr, had made a most able speech
—one of the best speeches in favour of protection he (Lord
John Russell) had ever beard in the course of his life, and
it produced a very great affect He said in effect, We
are not accustomed to imitate tho example of England ; we
have already gone far beyond that example. In France, we
have about 18 millions (sterling) of direct, and about 18
millions of indirect taxes. In England, they have alto-
gether about 20 or 21 millions of direct taxation, paid to
the state and in local taxes, and upwards of Xi millions of
indirect taxation under the head of customs and excise."
(Hear, hear.) That being so, he should certainly my that
the revision of taxation, which he had promised to cunai-
der, and did consider very much when ho was in the go-
vernment, was • matter which could not be touched
without the greatest consideration, and that if
they touched it, and wished to touch it on
just principles, they would arrive at the conclusion
of the expediency of adding to the direct, arid
diminishing the indirect, taxation. (Hear, hear.) lie should
be very unwilling to diminish the gees revenues now de-
rived train the customs and excise; there would be also
danger in adding to the direct taxation ; but that was the
conclusion to which they must come, and it was one most
alien end abhorrent to the opinions of gentlemen opposite ;
for last year the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Heroes) had
asked parliament to diminish the income tax, with a view
to increase the indirect taxes. Another hone gentleman had
said to his constituents,—" You pay very high taxes an
your tea and your soap; why should you not pay sense-
thing oa your bread ?" But one of them might have an-
swered him, and slid, " Let us put it the other way : we
pay no tax upon our food or our meat; suppose we pay
none on our soap, end very little on oar tea." (Cheers and
laughter.) Those were questions which the hon. gentleman
(Mr. Caylcy) thought very easy of @elution '1 Ease were
the questions which hon. gentlemen opposite would have to
bring before a new parliament. If they treated protection as
a thing that would be odious to the great mass
of the community, and if they considered that by a shifting
of the incidence of taxation, they only took it away in ens
shape to make the same persons pay it in another—beams*
the agricultural interest, after all, must pay a part of any
taxes they put on—if, rejecting these two schemes, they
declared that they would, have a general revision of taxa-
tion, they might depend Upon it they would come to the
result of reducing the taxes on articles of consumption, on
the comforts of the great body of the yowl% sad would
have to do that to which they most **ll/Misdp 011sole*
namely, to increase the direct tax Mil Wm elloo-
duced by Sr Robert Peel as an equivalent tee the daft
taxes which he repealed. (Hear, hoer.) Haying Ono
dwelt on this question, he would certainly ask no MID of
the government than that they should endeavour to palms
their views thereon in some way before the country, paw'
to going to a general election, in order that they milt
know something at least of the issue that wag Si
be tried, end what it was en which the
was asked to give its verdict. (Hear, hear.)
quite agroed that this was an 0007WII• kr forbearance; but,
it' the house showed forbearance, they were not to be
treated with contumely and with supercilious silence.
(Cheers.) If there ought, In theeplaion of gentlemen op-
posite, to he reciprocity with regard to the navigation laws,
there ought to be the same with regard to matters of for.
bearenee. (Cheers.) But Lord Derby had tried to raise
another km', an issue whisk ha had on right whatever to
raise, marl ea which he hid no dais' more than any other
Selliteelllell Si ink for the appeohatioa of parliament. He
raised this kow—to his (Lai J. Russell's) satonisliment—
that be woo minister in ogee *Ed the outbreak ad
samooshmed of hismady. , hems) He (lei
els) hod lett the bawd of the madder of the
emus Ise es Imo dig ad de that democracy had I
mob say moomemoslosainot *aide poloptives of the
mews or the authority of dr two MM. of Parliament.
Clew, hear.) We had *as awn guesed by its eonetitu-
lsoil progatives ; we had *e twu Row of Parliament
metalsre*. *dr just anthooky. (lesees.) Bat he hid
West a isms his his_pdiliud emmismes, not ined*
dorablit, ha lid boom. The Int pWthal meeting he re- I
misamod olimiling wee a meeting of the lode and
of the. whig party in parliamisee when
Ise eel adhometi them with impost r the mama
about t. be isloothmed by the this
I t was. hi ilims%hi the par 1817 Led Orgolywil
the Ledo ad MR PllMeaftW the Commons. pfd
were ideltiood he the brnbiawast of the libel/11yd the
rale& Than lib were net found suldeient, and 0111110
quawl* la Me Misr bills were introduced furdi=
limbs Dr ilea, of the stalest and to prevent tho to
and -sl' al awatasay. D
of emocrat, mg lbws hi
tlytt
bo Sum& Th=iiho aempts at feemseim
dab mist ibe r this. 11
m INA saes Deed
sib% me hi Ai plawmand who al the maw,
as sobs imp as tea
_ls dis, whim mind the powa
sal do tee madial Si them, and brought into
demi pmeldooll iho demi whom they seduced. It was
a ratbadak Ilea AS sae this shay bawd that the kr
sappata of Nasalwaba wen gad ta wank to Lawba.
At amen doe, that dare wet as lamenstitut at Deity,
which might synod one the wide of the tuandostaring
districts. Well, after no Lent period of pus a thane was
made in tho amontim immument. ihr Robert Pad was
wade limas baseba, awl Kr. Canning Foreign Secre-
tory. A dime Opett Lour affairs at hale and
abroad. Sir Mead Pad dieted an ameliorable la our
ma_lla2rs with the gosallit knowledge and jambe. Mr.
prosiaimei tla eves sentiment of old sad reli-
Xnhso* el OM Os wadi, and Aids Mew
us* lido minty vespendod ihmotally to • Oho gnaw
andsowle ao attend, tad ft w aiababb play whisk
be pumas& It was a• Manger wwwwwy Si hen
Ohm laws sodelidag the Wisely of the pea*. Alluvraiis
Lori Oteliasstalsi to office, sal thou Lad Whm^
todl thus Ws liked Peel again awl the tame mast was
=aid the Attorney-dimmal clod Si mowed,
ligalmet penal& for ofiedieg the public mod
That temp had taken place mot to the admires of
demecreey, not to the advantage even of domemode
but to the great benefit of the. body of the
ts
pi, ham beim . sore attached to the *stet
mind diseed Si the mows. mom attached to the laws
the smalry, mad tleseoby moto satisfied and less desirous
he demo in or hutitatiom. The right hoe. gentle-
mans. the Prosiest of the Beard of Control, told
*ma the dim day that he admitted that the people
wore raw is • Meteor prosperity. That prosperity, as he
(Lod .1. Russell) believed, was 'mainly caused by the
changes is their commercial peaky. (Cheers.) The
people, while their employment had Dew increased, ob-
mined he the wages a greater portion et hod, a
of modort. and had left to than ems surplus im
r
r oduention of their children. (Cheers.) If the note
lord now at the hood of the government meant to remit to
other means—lf tbo laws that he had in contemplation
were opposed, tho general sentiments of the coonloy, mi
if h• moommeted Oat those laws would require Si be •••
forced try ethermeane than pen u asionde t him tell him *Mir
stead of dimenalonaneing democracy,he would be the greatest
promoter of It. (Cheers.) Rely upon it, that it was met
by these at= to reverse that which had been atm&
doped, the that had been revoked, that they well
hope to retain the affections of the people. It was by o
calm, quiet, peaceable, and enlightened progress, by gsn.
on without any violent aim or any violent convuhiette,
but at the same time going on that they could support the
people's interests, and support the people's rights; and
they might rely on it that these attacks of democracy were
not to be feared in the meantime, fur it was merely
intended, by this kind of language, to raise an election
cry. (Cheers.) Nothing could be more colitempible—
(loud cheers)—nothing could be more unworthy of a mi-
nister who was presiding over the destinies of this great
country % (Loud cheers.)
Mr. 1./ISRAELI the* rose and said—The noble lord who
ha. just addressed you reminded the house that the re were
two questions before it, r rather that thu question before
it might be viewed under two aspctts, the coustitutivnal

and this esonsealoal one. But I must fetal to the bones
this feet, that the question before It is of a much simpler
nature. It is a motion of the newly constructed opposition
to stop the supplies—(cheers)—a motion gaily proposed by
the hon. member fur Middlesex, and respectfully recom-
mended by the hon. member for Liverpool—(cheers)—
and I have • tight to suppose enfweed in a speech
of great length and elegant preparation by the recent first
minister of the crown. (Renewed cheering.) We meet
the noble lord and the newly constructed opposition on the
Wee which they have themselves selected, and on that mo-
tion we intend to divide. (Cheers and counter cheers.)
The noble lord Deems to be astonished that any imputation
of faction should for a moment have been raised egaireit
himself. We were told indeed the other sight by the noble
lord or one of his supporters that it was a new doctrine in
the House of Commons to suppose that asking questions
of a new ministry was factious ; but I do not think that
that charge of faction by the leaders of the new oppo-
sition was established on nor data. I understood that
the noble lord was in this 'elation, that being a minister of
the crown, end unable, in consequence of the attacks of
I his own friends' to carry on the affairs of the country—
that be called, by his own confeselon, his colleagues to-
gether—that alter deliberation they came to the conclusion
that it was Inc xpedient to dissolve parliament—sod that
they then recommended her Majesty to send for another
individual to form a government. What was charged as
factious in the noble lord is, duelist should have constructed
an opposifion,the first principle of which was to force his loc-
ice eur to an immediate dissolution. (Cheers.) "But,"
says the noble lonl, "a remarkable event occurred in the
interval between my declaration as • cabinet minister and
my first adventure as a leader of the opposition. A epeech
was made—and that epcech,too, in another place—in which
there was this remarkable declaration, that the new govern-
ment, in the belief of the new opposition, was in a
minority in the House of Commons. And upon tha t phrase
the noble lord felt himself justified in changing the whole
o. his conduct ; and because of that phrase the noble lord
says that, "notwithstanding I declared that a dissolution
was inexpedient, I now feel myself justified in urging a
dissolution of that very parliament which I said ought not
to be dissolved." (Hear, hear.) But indeed the
noble lord is as deficient in evidence to prove the
want of confidence of the present House of Commons in
the exieting government, that he can refer to no fact., he
can appeal to no votu,to justify that opinion or that sane-
tion it; but all he can do is to quote • phrase used in an.
other place, and an expression used by my right hon. friend
the Secretary for the Colonies; end I ask, are expressions
of this kind to be considered to justify the noble lord in
thus changing his conduct and policy on a subject of im-
mense importance, and tending to such considerable re-
sents ? I have a different conclusion on that subject to the
noble lord. All the precedents which the noble lord is so
fond of appealing to are precedents of condemned govern-
ments ; and really to view a position condemned only by the
too frank or the too modest adinissient of en individual,
to place us in the same category of those ministers that after
long discussion, after great deliberation, and in some in-
stances quoted by the noble lord in Houses of Commons as-
sembled under their own influence, to place us in that peal.
ties, to treat us as if we were placed in a similar position
to such governments, because it is consequent on the change
of position of the noble lord, is to me one of the boldest
expedients that even • leader of opposition ever had re-
course to. (Cheers.) But under what circumstances did
the noble lord hays recourse to this course ? The noble
lord said :—" Am I not right to summon my public
friends to my private house ? I hear of other leaders
assembling their friends, and surely you have
no right to find fault with me because I ask
my private Mends to assemble at my house, and assist
me with their counsel." Wny, sir, if he had only those
friends who voted with him on the militia question—
(cheers)—if he had asked only those friends who were
absent on that occasion to assemble at his house—if they
had considered for the past, and counselled for the fu-
ture—l do not suppose that a single observation would
have been made, and all would have concluded
that the policy which they would bays pursued, and the
policy which they would have recommended to preserve
their just Lamas in this country, could have been
exactly in harmony with the declaration that the
noble lord made in his last official speech on the
bench. But, instead of that, We find that the noble lord
does not address his Mewls, but his enemies; he addresses
those who made his government uncomfortable ; and he
said, " Gentlemen, yen see(what it has all ended in; let us
forget the past, let us understand each other fer the future ;
you have • superstitious prejudice against an oligarchical
cabinet. Forget it, and that oligarchical cabinet shall be-
come a broad-bottomed cabinet. (Loud cheers.)
Reform Bill of this year did not please you. Let
be bygones. We shall undentand oath other, I have se
doubt, on that subject for the future." That was the
character of the meeting. It seems to have been successful.
Th. noble lord appears in his due espesity, and the
moment he does appear he ennounees a coams es his pot
directly the reverse of that which he eansenned whoa be
sat on this side of the house. (Hem.) Ibl< Am man be
an excuse, and that cause was half • Ikea Man i In
speech of Lord Derby in another pose, sod as ospraelma
in answer to a question by my right Imo. hied the Spew
tary for the Colonies, the easiest team Ibr the get
result that probably ever was dhooleved. (Ideulleele.)
But net ally does the noble lordliness Idiot he Mei hew
extremely ill-treated by the late mangy the catnap of
these benches, but the noble lord was as nalortunate Wal►
ter, he was turned, he tells us, out of alba After an a
lengthened, and, I would say, such es Illneminas curses as
the noble lord had had, after all that bee essmarred to hie
after that meeting at Burlington Hasa, miss he was let.
dressed by Mr. Ponsonliy, I certainly Amid not have
thought that the noble lord would have bees anted out of
' one by the protectionist opposition. Bit bow was he
turned oat ? Again, he has referred to-night to poisoned
weapons—again he has referred to-night to the motion
respecting Lord Clarendon. The noble lord was worried
out of office by two motions, one of which was
negatived and the other was not brought on. Now, while
the noble lord indulges is these assertions, do not you think
it would have been hotter not to have uttered one reproach
to those political friends who, on that unfortunate night
when the militia bill was before the heat, did not muster
to the amount of 130 ? I cannot help thinking that that
muster can more easily account for the tate of the
than the attack on Lord Clarendon, which the
noble lord tells as to-night was a signal failure, and the
menaced attack on Lord Grey which wee certainly escaped,
' I will sot say evaded. And now I will revert to the exact
lapse before us. It is a motion by the new opposition to
Mop the supplies, and so far as I as collect, with the
ruction of the noble lord, the late first minister.
Lord J. RUSSELL here made an observation acrors the
table, which we understood to be that he did not say he
opposed the motion before the house.
Mr. DISRAELI—I beg the noble lord's pude& I ago
prod that ober b • bed ancluded the interesting narrative
aesil.anilang aggnsimde with which he pleased us thin
wieetop lbot he would at least have condescended to an-1
oesnee that be did set maim the motion of the hon.
nmalier. (Loud c
The CHAIRMAN that the parties helm the
Nominee was that a member orf bowls& Softy had
Miele. There was se ether aselso seMss the hitao. (oo-
position cheers.)
Mr. DIEIRAELI—That dam was the most piewatare
cheer ever made. Amotionisbefore the awe. gen-
tleman their ember for Middlesex not wiesek _ asaMS his
deterraisation *oppose the minion, mad the WIPP. is that
he intends to divide upon It ; bat of ammo It gime me the
greaten pleasure to hear from the noble bird that be Ism re-
ads& from that perilous position. (" Nei') Ima glad that
the hoop sriseserade that as second thoughts the noble
Ised—Ohnowei pies of " No, so," is which the remainder
of the esalinse lone Mat) I will new make an observation
emabeedep. be Piled the iessel prt of the queelleo,
le the AM*, et the =We ised. tdo mil
what he whites ate ire emenist to do=
seeptet. Oh, eh.") The PPP hod hes mid tool&
that Ihereles bees to a aro& brae • peat Ames of
mum smiles the other hoed dot taw by set beta that
▪ ileheation which would be oposible le his Now,
if the noble lord adobe that there has hew sa genes of
rearm theosh as the ether hand set seek as explanation
as he might roppis, paws as top saesmight
think that the tissirotiesi wet as explide se wee moomary.
(Oh.) Thine is the Ma. potiseasa the member be Liver-
pool who pee Ili a alai, admonition to sight, sad who,
I eipect, mopes% the Ma. and gallant .woo. for Mid-
dlemen.
Mm

beg to isfons the right hon. 'en-
dow that the Mee of refusing him the number of men
never entered my mind. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. DIEIHAELI.—This is another proof of the advan-
tage of discussion. (Cheers and laughter.) I am pleased to
hear that there is another seceder. I shall be curious to
ascertain what is the forte that follows the hon. and gal-
lant member for Middlesex, and whether that force were
part of the pubis Mends who met is the private resi-
dence of the wale laid. I Cu tell the noble lord that
when we Ka to Ma eaushy I Welt the lose ie se dis-
tinct ace, seder sash eitessubsees, It ever bee bees. It
is clearly an WIN whether the country has toadyism fa
the presust admiehloetion, or whether It has not. It is
clearly an issue whether the eitiselturel interest, upon
whose fortunes Me ashes bed am se sessidwately dwelt—
it is clearly as hese whether they Wee% or do not be-
lieve that if we /UMW in power we will do our
em ;dist to the grievances of which they so
justly complain. ) That Is distinctly undentood
by them—(cheers)—esd, notwithstanding the speech of
the noble lord or of his sew ally, the member for the West
Hiding, I believe that they afeezrfectly satisfied that that
issue shall be arrived at ass y as is consistent with the
service of the country. (C eery.) I was reminding the
hon. gentleman the member for Liverpool, before ho made
that intimation of his exact position which was received
with so much satisfaction by the house, that he had founded
his lecture to the government and our friends, to-night,
apes the conduct of Sir Robert reel in 1841; but I might
Mind the hon. gentleman-1 do not wish to put more
nine upon that instance than it deserves—but I might ro-
adie' the hon. gentleman, who is one of the most ardent
eifievrers of that eminent personage, that in 1833
Hig Robert I'oel professed upon these subjects very
isrent opinions, and pursued a very different course.
I cannot believe that the opinion of Sir It. Peel was not as
valuable in 1834 as it was in 1811. Hut at the mime time
I most remind the house, that none of then precedents
&ply to the circumstances with which we have to deal.
(Hear, hear.) There is no vote of confidence against the
existing government, by tho existing House of Commons ;
and I think it would be more decent to bring forward a
vote of want of confidence, than to attempt to stop the
sopp'.ies. (Hear.) Tho noble lord dilated on the uncon-
stitutional conduct of the now ronleitt, in Carrying on the
affairs "I the count ry,w hilst it is not able tocsin its measures
is the 11..11., of Common,. But I think it rather a largo
amation at tb, noble lord to say that we are not able to
carry our Measure, in the house. (Hear, hear.) But

'whatever might have been our position in the house, even
though we acceded to the goverament with a distinct ma-
jordy in this house, it was not the intention of the govern- ;
ment of Lord Derby to have brougiit forward at the termi-
' nation of a parliament those incesures which they might 1,
ultimately bring in for affording relief to the agricultural
Interest. There was a distinct pledge, and it I
was understood and seceded to by the coon-
try party, that nu attempt would bo medo to
obtain redress till the opinion of the public was taken on
the question. (Hear, hear.) But I want to know why it
is assumed that the noble lord commando; a greater number
of followers in this house than ourselves. (Hear, hear.)
When the noble lord needed to office in 1940, he did nut
accept it with a party in this house larger in numbers than
that which honours the present administration with its sup-
port. (Hear, hear.) He came to office on that occasion
as legitimately as wo did on the present occasion, end he
proposed measures which placed him in danger of being
put in a minority, for he proposed a measure, with regard .
to sugar, which was opposed—and I believe opposed to the
sincere convictions of Sir Robert Peel. (hear,) Sir It. el
said that he did not approve of the measure, ; hut, that i! the
government of the noble lord were thrown out of ollice, there
were only two parties who could be called nn to form a trove ru-
meet—himself or my late lamented friend (Lord Owego
Bentinek) ; and that he did not a ish to see my noble Irked
having the opportunity of accepting government. The noble
lord did not dissolve parliament at that time, though
he did not possess a majority in this house, as was evident
from the deelarstion of Sir R. Peel. (Hear, hear.) he
noble lord went on, and he was justified in pursuing that
coerce, as we are justified on the present occasion in like
manner. (Hear, hear.) I said that the present govern.
went laboured under great difficulties; it is a new gore en-
=cut, and composed in a great part of inexpesi-
enced men; but I have confidence in the good sense
and temper of the House of Commons, and while
they possess those great and amiable qualities, I will
not suppose that if we were to bring forward
wise and judicious measure, wo would not be supported by
them. (Hear, hear.) I will not the 'afore deign to speak
as a minister existing upon sufferance. (Cheers.) I be-
lieve if the noble lord, inspired by the decision of the con-
vention to which I have referred, acts in the spirit of that
meeting—which I do not hesitate to say is a factious
spirit-1 believe he will not be supported by a majority of
this house, and that the government, if they bring
forward measures which deserve its approval, will
meet with the support of this house. (Hear, hear.) This
noble lord made some observations—l should not say som.,
because his whole speech was an elaborate reply to a speech
which had been addressed be the Earl of Derby to another
assembly. The noble lord denounced the expression of an
opinion and feeling on the part of the Earl of Derby, that
be was entitled to the support of all classes because his go-
vernment would cffer a barrier to the tide of democratic
innovation. Why, said the noble lord, has not my govern-
ment also opposed a barrier to democratic innovation, and
were not the attempts made in that direction successfully
resisted. 1 admit all that. But allow me to ask the late
First Minister by whose aid he was thus successful. (Land
ministerial cheers.) Allow me to ask him by what means
the menace of the democracy we. repelled. (Cheers.)
Allow me to ask him by whose means ho was enabled is
defeat those large schemes of parliamentary reform which
he could afford, owing to the assistance he obtainea
from us, to scout with derision and contumely. (Hear.)
The noble lord now talks learnedly and profoundly of the
difficulties of finance and the revi.ion of taxation ; but let
me ask the noble lord whose was the proposition for re-
ducing it by 10,000,0001. ? (Cheers.) Whose but that of
the hon. gentleman who was summoned to Cheeham-
place ? (Cheers.) And let me ask him whether it was the
130 gentlemen who supported him on the Militia Bill
who prevented the success of so distressing a proposition ?
(Hear, hear.) The noble lord had condescended to a mis-
apprehennon of the meaning of Lord Derby. which
I should not have expected from the noble lord's lips. It
never entered Into the mind of .Lord Derby that the policy
which he recommended would require
that
force to up-
hold it. (hear, hear.) When he said that he was prepared
to uphold the venerable and admirable institutions of this
country, he did not mean that he would invoke force to
maintain a policy or to uphold an interest; but what he
meant was that, believing himself to be animated by a
spirit of true patriotism, and believing that ho was supporting
a policy round which the national sympathies, would cluster,
that then he would find such large support as to be able to
originate in parliament the measures which he believed to
be necessary, and which he would bo able to pees; and that
he would be found to lea successful and powerful minister
because his policy was just—bemuse he was supported by
the favour of his sovereign and enjoyed the confidence of
his fellow-subjects. (Loud and continued chering.)
Mr. BRIGHT said he should confine himself to the
simple question whether a government acknowledged to be
in a minority in that house, and which in opposition had
maintained a policy pronounced by a majority of the house
over and over again pestiferous and dangerous to the
country—whether such a government,bound by such pledges
alsould be permitted to carry on the administration of
public affairs without being summoned to the tribunal
of public opinion. Having got into office under
the cry of protection, however, they asked to be let
alone ; but he said to them, either recant protection, or go
to the eonnituency, and let them decide the question.
After a vehement attack upon the protection party, he said
that the difficulties of the government were of their own
making and not such as called for forbearance. Having
imitates! Mr. Osborne's attack upon the constituencies of
I some of the ministers, and insisted that those who sought
to govern by a corrupt representative system were the per-
' ties who were really causing disaffection and encouraging
democracy, Mr. Bright argued that there was no
r hope that an appeal to the country would give pro-
, teetion a chance of success ; that this was a question which
the country would not suffer to be trifled with. lye re-
minded those who now complained of a factious opposition
of their own conduct when opposing the introduction of
free trade, and of their professions against that police, as
' justifying the opinion that their intention was to endea-
vour to reverse it. The reason the ministry did not dis-
solve he believed was that they believed the decision of the
country would be in favour of the policy of 1840. If the
' ministers were not for a corn law, let them env so; if any
authorised member of government would boldly avow that
the time had passed when any duty could be imposed
upon corn, and that they would not attempt to tamper
with the taxation upon the principle that certain classes
had suffered which ought not to have suffered by the
repeal of the corn I ter, the government; would never find
him (Mr. Bright) voting a want of confidence in them. If
they could not utter this avowal, he would make war against
them. He contended at great length that protective prin-
ciples were repugnant to the popular opinion, and concleded
with a vigorous summons ministers to declare themselves,
and a terrible warning to them should they declare them-
selves protectionists.
The Marquis of GRANBY (to whom Mr. Bright had ap-
pealed) retained his opinion that the free trade policy had
inflicted suffering upon a large elan, and that something
should be attempmd to modify:the system. He still thought
that the most adesallaimose mode set modifying this system
wee by hawing lo= duties whereby the foreigner was
mode 29 soy two would allow the repeal of other
Mathat tweeted epos the industry of the country. Ile
every confidence that Lord Derby's government would
endeavour, if the country would support them, to effect
such a modification ; for it would be ridiculous, absurd,
and mischievous to attempt to reverse a policy which had
been the law of the land for five yeses, supposing the people
were convinced that that policy was just and advantageous.
After the declaration wade by Lord Derby, he had no
hesitation in supporting his government.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied to a personal
allusion made by Mr. Bright, with reference to his election
in 1847. _ _ 1

After some explanations by Mr. Baum', noisily received,
Colonel THOMPSON was gratified to think that all
their prooeediugs tended to au increased recognition of
popular right, and he dwelt upon the injustice of the pre-
sent representative system. The decision of the free-trade
cknestMn might, he added, be final es regarded the protec-
tionists, but, it favourable to them, it would be by no means
final for the free-traders.

Mr. OSBORNE, on being appealed to, declined to di-
vide, and
The vote was then agreed to.
Major BERESFORD said he could not proceed to the
nest vote without denying the correctness of the represen-
tation of what he had said at Braintree by both the right
bee. peatleissa the member for Ripon, and the hon. mem-
ber lisr Middlesex. lib moved a sum of 3,421,0901. for the
"ret land forces.
IIUME objected to going on with the vote at that
lint. He moved that the chairman report progress.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER urged 'I
that they might be allowed to proceed with the vote. He
would not proceed further then if the hon. gentleman did
not wish it, bet he must not reproach the government for
not going on faster towards that consummation which was
strongly desired.
Mr. HUME was desirous of getting ones fast as possible,
but this money might be voted on Monday.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that after the manner in which
the house had voted the men and money for the navy the
other evening, he thought it reasonable that having now
voted the men for the army to defer to the suggestson of
the hon. member for Montrose.

Mr. GLADSTONE agreed with the noble lord in saying
that the suggestion of the hon. member for Montrose was a
fair one. The manner in which the navy estimates were
voted was creditable to the house u showing their disposi-
tion to deal fairly with the government ; but, with reterenee
to their duty to the public, he thought it was not desirable
to go on with this ante.
The Cttatttxetr then reported progress, and the house
resumed.

The Penonal Estates of Intestates Bill was read a third
time and weed.
The Pamengers Act Amendment Bill, the General Board
of Health Bill, and the Improvement of Towns (Ireland)
Bill were severally read a second time.
BURGH HARBOURS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The order for the seecnd reading was read and discharged.
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