The Express.
London, England, 1864-03-18 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 18, 1864.

enlargement of the space near the Vickat Tower, od for
the extenion of Old Pekes-yard to the river bask
south of the Tower, by which the wharves and buildings in
the neighbourhood would be cleared away, and all elements
of danger removed. This recommendation, however, in-
volved the expenditure of a large sum of mosey, end there-
fore he was unable to say wham he should be able to submit
a proposal to the house.

bear.) They gave to friendly societies no privileges or im-
munities, and he was not prepared to be arty party to slim
them before a committee to examine them as to the slate of
their affairs. With torrent to Inquiring into the state of
friendly societies apart from the bill, that was a totally dif-
ferent matter, and he did not wish to move any opinion aa
It whatever. If his hon. friend were to refer the
bill to a select committee on the clauses, they might be able
shortly after the Suancial statement to go into that com-
mittee. He (Mr. Gladstone) should be very willing to close
with such an offer. (Hear, hear.) He wished it to be
clearly understood what wait the position in which he stood
towards existing societies. He had quoted, he believed,
four cases,l the British Prudential, the Friend in Need,
and so forth ; but he bad not presumed to Woe upon himself
to say that they were insolvent societies. He had pointed
out facts cotinectedwith their balance-sheets, and he merely
wished to show that they were not societies which carried
with them sufficient evidence to guarantee the minds of the
public, and eatitleifthem to say, "Don't enter upon a Held
which is satisfactorily occupied 'beady.* He had also, be
admitted, made remarks upon societies which were not now
existing, and he had pointed them out as fraudulent cases.
To a general committee of inquiry be thought there
would be an insurmountable objectioe ; but if it was the
desire of the house to go into • committee on the clauses,
without taking evidence, be should be quite prepared on the
part of the government to accept such a proposal. (Cheers.)
Mr. S. ESTCOURT thought the suggestion of the tight
boo. gentleman TM a very fair one. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HANKEY wanted to know what was to be the
nature of this select committee. He objected to any com-
mittee at all for he was opposed to the principle of the bill.
Lord STANLEY thought that a committee on the general
question would be most objectionable, for it would be of in-
terminable length, and lead to endless confusion. (Hear,
bear.) He ahould be very glad if the compromise referred
to by the Chancellor of the Exchequer could be effected ;
but looking at the large number of gentlemen who had not
had an opportunity of expressing their opinions on the bill,
it would be the better plan to meant to the proposal for an
adjournment of the debate. (Cheers.)
The CHANCELLOR of the F—XCtidEQUER—It will be
understood that under these circumstances the government
is left entirely free to take its own course. (Hear.)
The debate was then adjourned till to-morrow (Friday).

ihtst bad passed would serve as a salutary limos for the

Lord H. LENNOX mid the disenasioa upon the motion of
the hon. baronet was well timed. They were told that this
was a disoustion upon what had been forgotten in France.
Bat that was not the ease. (Rear, hoar.) Ile bed letters
from countrymen of our own resident in Paris, telling him
that the feeling there was deep-seated, and that nothing
I but the strong hand and arcs( power of the Emperor had
been able to supprers such public ebullition. as would have
greatly sidangend the peace and good understood* be-
tween the two ocaustries. (Cheers.)
Mr. P. A. TAYLOR believed that the dignity of the
home warn compromised by its becoming the mere sounding
board of the scandalous tittle-tattle of • Paris police-court.
He regretted exceedingly that the house should be made
the vehicle for the miserable calumnies of the reactionary
, parties throughout Europe. (Cries of "Oh, oh.") He
' could not be surprised that thaw who only knew Marna
through the false and calumnious statements of the mem
should be astonished at the unbounded confidence, esteem,
and affection entertained for him by all who had the honour
of his acquaintance. (Cheers.)
Sir J. I'AKINGTON said—l wish to ask the noble
lord whether, oa the part of the government of Epp
land, be has takes any notice to the government
of France with regard to the statement of the
Procureur-General, and if sot, whether it is Lis
lineation to do so. (Hear, bear.) It must depend upon
the answer of the noble lord to that inquiry what course
this house ought to take, and if the answer is not satisfac-
tory, lam sorry to say dial& my opinion it will be the duty
of my boa. triad to ppirenesea tea division his motion. (Cheers.)
Lord PAL N—Nothing undoubtedly can in
general be more painful than personal discassioos in this
house; but at the same time I cannot express any regret
that the hon. baronet has brought this subject under the
consideration of the home this evening, bemuse it has drawn
from my hon. friend declarations which, differing from
the right hon. baronet opposite, I think perfectly satisfac-
tory. (Cries of " Oh, oh," and cheers.) My hon. friend
gave an absolute and total to the only charge which
has been insinuated against him—namely, of having any
oogoisance whatever of the plot which has recently been
the subject of investigation in France. (Cheers.) The
right hon. gentleman asks me whether her Majesty's
government have deemed it right to make any communies-
lion to the government of France ups a passage io the
speech of an advocate in • trial tails' taken place in that
country ? Why, sir, no. (Cheers.) We have no right to take
00Iptia&000 of what passes in courts of justice in France.
If there was an opinion that anything whirl mated on that
occasion was wanting to rebut the charge against my hon.
friend, that he bad any cosine:jog, direct or indirect, with
that transaction, the answer to that imputation was given
oy my hon. friend in this house publicly to the world, and
was • sufficient refutation. (No, oo.) But I will fairly
own that I should have felt humiliated if I bed bad to be a
party to a communication to the French government to tell
them that an English gentleman, a member of parliament,
bolding office under the government, wits,not connect
an infamous plot against the life of the Emperor. viit
bear.) I congratulate the hon. gentlemen opposite upon
the feelings and sentiments which seem to actuate them ou
this occasion. We have been told that the imputations,
false as they were, of the Procureur•General have excited
the indignation of the French nation, and that something
is due to the feelings of France in atonement for .the
notion they appear to entertain that something or
other has taken place in this country which indirectly, if
not an acquiescence,auiounts to an absence from • disclaimer
of any participation in this attempt upon the life of the
Emperor. Why air, we have been reminded of the Orsini
conspiracy. That was an attempt upon the life of the Em-
peror, not suspected and intercepted, but actually made.
What did the government do at that time! (Hear, beer.)
He spontaneously proposed to the house • measure which
was intended to prevent a recurrence of conspiracies of the
seine nature in this country. The hon. gentlemen opposite
formally and publicly expressed their approval of that
measure, sod promised to rapport it. (Cheers and counter
cheers.) But when they knew that by • combination of
circumstances, a change in their opinion, and an absolute
abandonment of it, might lead to • change of govern-
ment., they threw over their promises, they cast
their indignation to the winds, and determined upon
objecting to that of which they bail formerly
declared their approval. (Cheers.) They refused to the
French that satisfaction which they now say they ought to
receive. (Cries of "Question.") Well then, sir, with ret-
ard to my hon. friend, I may say that if for a moment I
thought he could have Judithe slighted participation in that
transaction to which the discussion of this evening alludes,
I should have represented to him that it was more
becoming that he should cease to be a member
of the government. II have not dots so, and I
have uot• done so became I know my honourable friend
is incapable of such conduct. I do not regret that the hon.
baronet has afforded to my boo. friend an opportunity of
repeating that disclaimer which I think he made sufficieotly
on • former occasion ; but if that was not considered satis-
factory, that which be has stated on the present occasion
ought to be coonlosive. (" Oh, oh," and cheers.)
Mr. DISRAELI—Sir, I confess that I am disappointed at
the tone which has been taken by the noble lord. (Cheers.)
I think the noble lord to-night has had an oppor-
tunity-.-a golden opportunity—of extricating the house
from a very painful Nation, and of placing
himself in relation to the allies of this country
in • position in which be might have been able to do justice
to the character of this house. (Cheers.) The noble lord,
instead of taking that lige which my right hon. friend (Sir
J. Pakington), animated by the most proper spirit, indicated
as the olio the noble lord was expected to follow, seems
to have taken range in that vein to which he is well accus-
tomed. He says he would not have replied to the French
government, became be would not submit to humiliation.
The noble lord forgets that he is at the bead of a govern-
ment who have sot permitted the word humiliation
to induce them to refrain from taking any course
which they deem expedient and necessary? (Cheers.) The
noble lord should have bad some regard to the feelings of
the President of the Board of Trade—(laughter, and cheers)
and some regard to the feelings of an absent man like Lord
Russell, whom he had not felt ashamed of attacking by
innendo. (Laughter, and cheers.) "What," says the
noble lord, '' had I to complain oft Was I to go to a
foreign government because one of my clients had been
accused by some foreign of of that in which
he did not participate, and which he has openly denied !"
This leads us, after all the noise of the noble lord, to refer
to what is the real question before us. (Cheer) But the
observations of the noble lord which were the staple of all
his remotion, if 1 may so mill his observations, prove that
he did sot understand the point on which of all others
he ought to have directed the judgment of the house. In
the hit place what has occurred! The Procureur-
Generale, the Attorney-General of a great country, makes
• public statement in • court of the highest consideration
in France. What is that statement? He states that •
member of the English parliament, and one who he per-
haps was not aware at the moment was also a member
of the administration, had been, he was sorry to say,
the medium by which Merzini communicated with
conspirators against the life of his soversigc. (Cheers.)
Did the member for Halifax deny that statement? Why,
he admitted it. (Cheers.) He does not, sitting at the side
of the noble lord, deny that these letters came to his house,
and that his house in Thurloesquare was the medium of
communication between Mason and his correspondents.
(Hear.)
Mr. STANSFELD—What correspondents
Mr. DISRAELI—What correspondenta ! You know
them Letter than I do. (Loud cheers from the opposition
benches.) What correspondents, says the boo, member for
Halifax. Why, the assassins of Europe. (Cootiaised
cheers.) What correspondents, says the boo. member for
Halifax. Why the men who point their pooiards to the
breasts of our allies. (Cheers.) This is the most un-
fortunate movement on the part of the noble
lord the First Minister I have ever witnessed.
Still smarting under the successful combination of his pre-
mut colleague the President of the Board of Trade in 1818
—(laughter)--and labouring under • confused idea of the
course then pursued with reference to • foreign power, he
is now absolutely inert, and will not perform the tint
duties which civilisation demands, (Hear, bear.) The
charge made by the highest legal authority in Fiance against
the hon. member for Halifax is ooewhich that hon. member
has himself admitted. It is that his home was made the
medium of communication between Idanitii and his core-
spondents, and the noble lord geta up ad says the member
for Haifa: denies thecharge—(hear)—and othuSecretaries
of State have also treated with contempt this charge
which is to-night admitted. I am perfectly willing ,to give
the boo. member for Halifax, and any other gentleman
who sits in this house, the most favourable interpretation
of their conduct. 'lronical cheers.) I say even to those
who listen with scandalous levity to charges of so grave a
character, and DO 000 can deny it, that enouzb has
occurred to require on the part of our government a friendly,
dignified, temperate, and, if necessary, even • confidentud
communication to the French government. (Hear, hear.)
Nay, even if the Attorney-General of England bad made
a statement in au important speech delivered in this coun-
try, to the effect that be regretted to say one of the nive-
-1 hers of the Chamber of Deputies in France had made his
house the medium of communication for 000snirators
against oar sovereign, would you not be surmised if
the representative of the French Emperor had not
asked for some explanation of such • statement;
and if the proofs the Attorney-General had given of
' the accuracy of his statement which had been so lavishly
admitted by the noble lord to-night, would it not have been
his duty to express his deep regret that such incident,
should have occurred ? (Cheers.) Judge by your own feel-
lags west you would have dose, acd what you would ex-
pect the repreesotative of your sovereign to have done.
(Cheers.) What is the course that has been adopted!
There is a universal feeling is the country ' that the dignity
of the house baa been compromised, sod the dignity of the
smutty itself. (Cheers.) I think that if what my right bon.
friend sugges ed in no spirit of unfriendliness to the govern-
ment had been adopted— (cheers and ooanterchers)—it would
have given to the noble lord an opportunity of COW ug forward
and vindicating our dignity, and of assuring the house that
he would take stem to remove the grave misapprehensions
and the greet aixl grievous disquietude which this affair has
occasioned. (Cheers.) The noble lord bad ouly to say be
felt it his duty to place himself in communication with the
French government, and (sprees his regret that even uncon-
sciously a minister of the crown should have made his house
the medium of communication between assassins and con-
spirators—he had only to say that, and the affair would have
been finished. But the Dale lord. will not assert the dig-
nity of the Hoots of COO3lllOllO. and I think the House of
Commons ought to assert ita own dignity. (Cheers.) The
noble lord has rejected the proposition of my tight boa.

friend, =di see so course for the house to take but to sup-
port the sesolotiou at the he°. somber. (Cheers.)

Mr. BRIGHT appealed to the opposition, whether the
course they were taking was worthy of their reputation as
• great party. He had no sympathy with the objects of
Mthrini, but if he were as hungry as the hungriest of the
aspirants far °Mos, he should be ashassiel to make his way
to the treasury bench over the character, the happiness, and
the future of the last appointed end youngest member of
the Admiaistritiow. A remark from the hon. member
gave Mr. Disraeli en opportunity to contradict, in an un-
qualified manner, the statement that he (the right boo.
gentlemen) had ever in his early writings advocated Wrenn
:-
aide.

Lord R. CECIL, said the hon. member for Halifax ought
to have keown that Mauna was the advocate of political as-
sassinatioo ; but at any rate, he ought not to bays allowed
him to make use of his house for the prosecution of schemes
of which he did not know the nature. For all he knew, the
schemes of liarxint might have been for political awed-
natioa. That was the charge made against the hon. mem-
ber for Halifax ; and the question was, whether the house
could condone the omission on his part
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER remarked
that it was not enough foe the house to have a general
abstract impression that Mr. Stanfield had acted, as Lord
R. Cecil thought. indiscreetly, to induce it to adopt the
motion. The Procuretir-General, as an advocate, had
made en ex parte statement, which could not be a
subject of consideration in that house. If a court of
justice in France adopted that statement after it,
denial, the state of things would be different. I
believe (said the right hon. gentleman) that the grow-
ing intimacy and the more cordial relationship of these
two great countries, which are due to extended commer-
cial transactions and more friendly communications, are
becoming deeper and deeper, are widening moreland more
that strong bogie of mutual cordiality and reciprocal
confidence between the people of England and France which
I believe to be the only effectual security for the peace of
Europe and of the world. (Loud cheers.) I am not
insensible to the many claims which the Emperor of the
French has not only upon the forbearasoe but upon the
respect of this country—claims which I have tot been slow
at any period to recognise. I won't go into the question
whether all parties or persons have been as ready under all
circumstances to pursue this course ; but this I will
gay, I am very glad to see respect for France
prevail is this house. (Hear, hear.) It is not
because we do not share in it that we decline to adopt your
motion ; but it is because it relates to a proceeding essen-
tially judicial io its character ; and because a full and dis-
tinct denial has been given not only by M. Massini, but b
my
y hon.ews-) nd to frie the statement of the Procureur-GeoeraL
(M

Lord C. HAMILTON felt bound to address a few obser-
vations to the house after the unworthy and nejustifiable
attack which the hon. member for Birmingham had made
upon gentlemen on that (the opposition) side. (" Oh, oh.")
He had charged them with having joined in the discussion
from a mere party motive. (Cheers and counter cheers.)
He denied that the horn gentleman bad any right to cast
such a disgraceful and unworthy imputation upon boa
members. He regretted that the hon. gentleman
(Mr. Stanafeld) bad not thought it right to
make on • pmioas occasion some of the statements
which he had now made. Instead of that, be had got up
and delivered himself of • bombastic declaration against
assassination ; but be bad denied nothing. The right hoo.
gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) bad talked of candour, but he
could see nothing candid in the hon. member's (Mr. Stens.
feld's) conduct. He stated that he had known Martini for
18 years, and now he stood before the country and before
Europe as tbedupe or accomplice of that man. (Interruption.)
He believed the hon. gentleman to be a dupe, but this
incident would complicate oar position abroad, and lower
oar influence with foreign room.
Mr. COX said be should not have risen bad it not hese
for the statement made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer
that the hon. gentlemen the member for Halifax had denied
the charge made by the Procureur-General. On the
contrary, to his mind the hon. gentleman admitted the
charge. The words were "that Greco was to address
to Mr. Flower, 35, Tburlowe-equare, a that he
had turned to the Directory, and was sorry to
find that that was the address of an English minister."
Seeing that be (Mr. Cox) put the question to the boo.
member, and Le certainly was not by any means satisfied
with the answer, and therefore in seconding the motion of
the hoe. member for King's County, he asked him as to the
letters addressed to Mr. Flower, and his answer was, " aa to
letters addressed to Mr. Flower I have no koowlege of
them." He milked if Flower was not Martini, and the hon.
member said " I have no knowledge of that. Ido not
know anything about it." He should like the honourable
gentleman to state which was the true answer—was it that
which he made the other n' t, or war it that which be
had made to-night, that he hoi given permission to have
letters addressed to him under a feigned same at the boo.
member's house.

Mr. STA.NSFELD explained that what he had said was
that Menial had bad 'rotten addressed to him under the
name of Fiori. The boo. member said letters were ad-
dressed to him under the n►me of Flower. and he (Mr.
Stens&ld) said that to his knowledge, no letter had been
received at his house under the name of Flower.
The house then divided—
Ayes
Nose

Majority against Sir B. Stracey's motion .... 10
The handing of the papers with the numbers to Mr.
Brand by the clerk at the table was received with
loud ■nd enthusiastic cheers from the ministerial aide
of the house, and below and about the bar, and when
the numbers were announced the cheers were continued
until the doors were opened, when a general rush was made
to leave the house.

MARKET&

TALIAW. —THCZYDA T EVllMCG.—The'markt t eve quiet
to-d&T. April, 42& ; Jun., 43a. 64. ; October to D:eetuber,
44e„ 6cl. Delivery to Let (main, 621 tasks ; arrivals,
1.013 mike.

COTTON.-I.rvraPoor.., Mace 17.—We have spin to
report a firm markst, with a good (must of business pt full
prices for all kinds. The sales us 10,000 bales, of which
3,000 me for export and speculation.

WOOL AND WORSTE.D.—BnanrOnu, ?daunt 17.—A
large quantity of wool has changed hands during the week ;
there is • rather leas demand, however, to-day. Consider.
able lots of all clams of wool have been sold. Bright
haired, and deep-grown wools are still most in request, and
bogs realise extraordinary prices, as much as 24. fa per IL
If anything, downs are in less request. There is a
good business doing in worsted yarns. The deu.snd
chiefly for the home supply. There is very little (loin; for
export. The only shipping trade that is active is that
for Prussia ; • considerable demand for 40's baying been
made fox that market. There is a steady buti.
nen in twofolds. The high rates of wool came
spinners to advance their rates. There has been
• good attendance of buyers, and • fair in-
quiry for various markets. The German homes are she
beginning to do • little more business, and altogether opera.
thins are more numerous. Fancies continue to meet • Ali a
good demand, and manufacturers have taken fresh orderb,
which will occupy them for some months. China figures
and lens are mostly in request. Camlets, ran, princetta„,
merinos, China lasting*, and other heavy fabrics, are all ad-
vanced since our last report. Orleans are also dearer, and
quotations in general, though varying, are tending upward..

LACE AND ROSlERY.—Norrneousx, MARill
There has been another quiet week in the lace trade, ..s is
usual at this iatermeduite seams, but so there is no rule
without an exception, we are glad to find that one or tau
large manufacturers give a rather more cheering account of
the last few days, and anticipate that • better demand will
arise shorty.—Much the same may be said of the hosiery
trade, the prevailing tone of the reports being unfavourable,
though there are indications that the bardeniog of the Cotton
market is giving increased confidence to buyers, end Las
strengthened the feeling, where stocks need replenishing,
that it is hopeless to expect • material fall in prices just
yet. During the last two days • decided pressure baa been
put on for the completion of orders, and more are promised.
—Nottingham Journal.

CORN.—Mancuxuren, Kama IT.—Oar market this
morning was sleoderly attended, and a very limited demand
was experienced for wheat, either English or foreign, with.
oat leading to any alteration an value. Flour was an ex.
ceedingly dull sale, at last week', prices. Oats and oatmeal
moved off slowly, without material alteration in value.
Egyptian beaus advanced GI per quarter, while English
remained as last noted. Indian corn maw firm.

8L11111.V4 HAM, Maaca 17.—At this day's market there wu
• short supply of wbeat from the farmers, and dry quali-
tie@ realised CA to Is. per quarter advance. Foreign us.
altered. Barley, bests and peas taken in retail at pre.
visas rates. Oats offering at above decline.
Drvnza, !LAUB 17.—Ws bad rather a small market of
wheat to-day. Although we cannot quote any very deviled
advance in price, there was • better feeling in the trade,
and • considerable amount of business done, somewhat in
favour of the seller. 21s. per sack was the top price fur red
wheat. Earley in liberal supply, aed t►e improvement in
the weather caused • better demand, particularly for pal
seed samples. Oats, beans, and peas still plentiful. but no
quotable cbitoge in price. We hoard of oat or two farmers
having sown barley to the extent of 70 or 80 acres on their
respective farms. Beet whim whirl. 21s. to 22.. ; best re I
ditto, 20a. to 215.; inferior sorts, 17s. to 20.. ; best barley,
365. to 36e. ; secondary ditto, Zia. to 345. ; interim ditto,
20a. to 275. ; oats, 18s. to 275. ; beans, 16e. to 9Us. ; peas,
16s. to 19s. ; fine flour, 30s. to 31s. lid.; other dour, his.
to 22a.

Nswaac Hues 16.—With a small show of wheat, and
a healthy feeling in the trade, the extreme ratan of last
week were made. Fine barley arm ; inferior not inquired
after. Wm unaltered. The demand for beans was inactive
at late prices.
NZWIIVILY,!!.trace 17.—We have thia day to report a
very short supply of wheat, for which there was • steady
consumptive demand at the prices of last week. Barley a
moderate supply, and no variation in priors. Rather more
inquiry for seed vats, but beam and peas continue dull.

UXBRIDGE, MARCH 17.—A small supply of wheat, which
sells slowly at former prime. Is spring oorn there is more
doing, as the weather is now favourable for sowing, but
without alteration is value.

EDTIIIIURGB, 11.%1CH 16.—As compared with lut week,
wheat was es. 61 down on the top, and la. 6d. down on
timeworn.). Barley wee 10s. up on the top, and 6d. up
on the average. Ode were tid. down on the top, and
2d. up oo the average. Beane were 3a. down on tho
top, and 9d. up ort the average. Wheat, Va. to 42a. Ga. ;
barley, 21e. 6d. to 48e.; oats. ISe. to Va. ; beam, 2'.1.
to 374.

CATTLS Boum o k.r. t, M•scis 17.—We had • good im-
ply sit thisday's market. Prior were we:—Beef, sd. to 7d. per
lb.• wetter attars, in wool, Bd. to 90. per lb. ; ewe, le
wool, TS. to Ind. per lb.; mottos shore. 6d. to 745. per
lb. ; veal, 6d. to 70. per lb. • bares pqs, Be. Od. to 9s. 95.
per score; porket pigs, 9e. 6cl: to llte. Od. per sears.

EDLYBURGH, MARCH 16.—Them wu a good supply of fat
cattle and sheep at market. Prams were :—Beef. ie. bd. to
to. 3d per dose of 1416; mottos, Bd. to 9d. per lb.

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NOTTINGHAM, MARCH Ili.—We had a plentiful supply of
fat beasts, sheep, sad pigs at this day's cattle market.
Quotations :—Beef, 7s. 3d. to Bs. tid. per stool ; mutton,
B.ld. to ilgii; wed, 7d. to Bd. per lb.; pork, tis. to Gs. W.
per 1410.