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PETROLEUM BILL

This bill was slaii
ELECTIONS FOR COUNTIES (IRELAND) BILL.

Their lordships went into committee on this bill.
After a few words from the Earl of LIITILIJI, the bill
weed through committee.
MUSES AND SALES OF SETTLED ESTATES ACC
AMENDMENT BILL.

The house haviag gone into committee on this bill,
Lad CHELMSFORD said that he changed the form of
His bill by proposing the repeal, instead of an alteration
ef this bill.
The bill then pseud through committee.
SALE OF SPIRITS BILL.
This bill use read a third time.
AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE TREATY BILL
This bill pared through committee.
HIGHT POACHING PREVENTION AND GAME
LAWS AMENDMENT (No. 2) BILLS.
These bills were reed a third time and passed.
CHANCERY REGULATION (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read a pseud Mew
SHEEP (IRELAND) BILL

Tbis bil was read mod lam
WEST INDIA ENCUMBERED &ESTATES ACTS
AMENDMENT BILL.

This bill was reed a sen;ediin --
The house adjourned at WI oilantea Feet sight

SOUSE OF COMMONS. —THVRADAY, JULY 10.
The MULCH took the chair at five minutes to 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINIMS.
The amendments of the lords to the Dublin Cattle Market
MB were considered and agreed to.
The Londonderry and Coleraine Railway Bill was read a
Sid time and passed.
SALE OF BEER BILL.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD gave notice that on the motion for
tike committal of this bill be should move that the house
ge into committee upon it that day three mouths.
THE ARMSTRONG ORDNANCE.
Mr. B. OSBORNE asked the Secretary of State for War
whether the 12-ton gun of Sir W. Armstroog's construc-
tion had burst during the recent experiments at Shoebury-
nem ; also how many guns of the same description end
weight bad been ordered ; and d any of a stall larger size were
Übe constructed on Sir W. Armstrong's principle.
Sir G. LEWIS replied that at the recant experiment at
Illbosbarynees the breech of the 12-ton gun was blown off, and
the saes of it was the unusual severity of the proof
is which the gun was subjected, the charge of powder hay-
iag been extended to 70 lbe., 8011 n., and 901 M. 162 roulade
had been already fired from the gun, and as it was merely
se experimental one it must be considered to have been ex-
posed to a severer trial than guns were usually subjected to.
The number of guns crdeted was 14 of that size. A 600.
pounder rifle gun and a 300-pounder smooth bore were also
wader mostraction.
RHOOGNITION OF THE KINGDOM OF ITALY.
Mr. C. BENTINCK asked the First Lord of the Trea-
sury whether the recognition of the kingdom of Haly by the
petrament of Russia was not conditional uponsatYfaetory
smareeees being given by the government of Daly that the
InteeMoos of lady towards the neighbouring Mates were
pacific, and that Austria should not be an object of wipes-
Men on the part of Italy; and whether such recognition was
mti}ecit to any other and what conditions.
Lord PALMERSTON—So far as ber Majesty's govern-
ment an informed, the actual recognition of the kingdom of
Bay by the Emperor of Russia is entirely unconditional,
and is not fettered by any conditions. (Hear, bear.) At
the am time I believe communication' have passed be-
tween than two government', and by the intermediate
avow of the government of France communications sod
mplanations as to thermos! policy, which were considered
istidactory. were given, and thereupon the unconditional
recognition by Ramis took place.
OCCASIONAL LICENSES.
Mr. MINT asked the C'hanosllor of the Exchequer if his
attention had been called to the inconvenience resulting
from the provisions in the Customs and Inland Revenue
, Act of this session with respect to occasional licensee in the
ass of public dinners and assemblies ; and if he intended to
soy relaxation of the law with regard to the hours
ruitrwhich the sale of liquors in such casts might be
allowed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EICHEQUER—As th 3
law stood pre*us to the passing of the Cus-
toms and Inland Revenues Act of this year all
miles of liquors at them dinners and assemblies were pro-
hibited if not held in licensed premises ; the effect of the
set was to permit such sales in other than licensed houses
at certain timee sod under certain circumstances. Conse-
ntingly that act had not imposed say new disabilities, but
he was free to admit that the relief it afforded did no go far
enough ; and if means could be found for that purpose, be
*met it would be well to extend it. He did not think
any change in the law could be looked for in the present
maim

THE INDIAN BUDGET.—MB. LAING.
fix C. WOOD said it might be for the convenience of
On house if he now stated that ha proposed to postpone
the Indian financial statement, to Thursday next. Some
further documents had been received from India since he
gave notice of bringing it on on Monday, whizh it was
the Indian council should have time to consider be-
fore that statement was made.
Mr. VANSITTART inquired whether the right boo.
gentleman would produce Mr. Laing's answer to the de-
=sof the Zird of June, that wee his defence to the
brought against him?
By C. WOOD—It was precisely in order to enable Mr.
Ling to give such explanation, as he might think 'Aug-
ury, that he suggested the postponement.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE—But will the information be laid
before the house?
Mr C. WOOD—Yea, so far as I know. I have informed
Mr. Icing that I have no objection to his making such ex-
• motions as he may think necessary, and there ia no objec-
tion so far as I know to its being moved for and laid upon
the table of the house. (Hear, hear.)
FORTIFICATIONS (PROVISION FOR EXPENSES)
BILL.
IrlThe booze having resolved itself into committee on this
On clause 1.
Mr. B. OSBORNE was anxious that the hones should
ewe more ootwider this scheme, and if there was any in-
enevenissos in the course be was taking, it arose from no
fault of his, but from the mode io which the plan had been
Lid before them. Having no regular estimate upon which '
the subject might be discussed in detail, they were
obliged to discuss it on the clauses of the bill.
What was this plan ? It was not the plan of thecommissioners
according to their report of 1860. The plan of the cora-
=Weisner, recommended five forts at Spanned. Instead of ,
five, the government assented to three forts at Spithead,
and after referring the report on the forte back to the
eocomiasioners—wno again reported strongly in favour of
them—they ended by suspending the construction of the
Bpithead forts altogether. Then the commissioners recom-
mended eight forts over the Portadown line of defences,
bet the government adopted three only. He wu entitled
I. say, then, that this was not the original plan of the com-
mitments, but some plan of the noble lord, for which the
Donee was asked to incur an expenditure of 9,000,000/., and
to Tete at moo 1,200,000 i. The noble lord made the most
maims delineator his fortifications ever made in that house,
fear be said they would do more to preserve peace than their
fres trade in corn or their cobbling up a commercial treaty.
The edge lord said this, sitting between the twin represent-
atives of free trade and commercial treatiee—the right hon.
amber the President of the Board of Trade sod the Chan-
'ellen of the Exchequer. The noble lord wee like Garrick
between the tragic and comic nausea and he was surprised
to see him so impartial in decrying both those muses. He
did sot know what the right honourable gentleman the
somber for Ashton thought that night, but he knew
bow the right hon. gentleman looked—be looked like
Peespey's statue when it saw Queer staggering at its base.
(Heer, hear.) But he thought the right bon, member
slight have died—and he hid almost expected to have
heard him reply to the noble lord—in the words of Cassius
is Bantus, " have not from your eyes that gunmen and
leek of loves' you were wont. You beer it with a high and
haughty hood over the friends who love you." (Laughter.)
The dOt hoe. gentleman did not say that, but he hoped
be would take an opportunity to explain what was the
amain' of this attack upon the wisdom of free trade, and
whether he was a party to spending the money of the
eonatry on these fortifications and connoted to the
views which had bees enunciated by the noble lord. It had
lees said that this was • question of confidence. He wished
te know—confidence in who or what? Was it confidence
la their exchequer? Wu it confidence in the p
Nate of trade in Lancashire? The only thing which
Tee a confiding parliament and an impoverished exchequer.
Be, for one, told the noble lord he was not content to
Inkier the imperial edicts of a dictator, whose plan, if
emend out, meant efficiency, increased expenditure, and
who was landing the house into a sauce of ..eased tau-
Men and financial embarrassment. (Hear, hear.) The
ben. gentleman then moved is clause 1, page 2, Roe 5, to
D est "one million two hundred thous
pounds,"
wed lent "eight hundred thousand pounds."
Mr. H. A. BRUCE said that io spite of the sneers and
esnimme of the boo. gentleman, the question after all re-
@dui Itself into this : Had the government acted pro-
ps* is taking the opinions of the most skilled and expe-
dient! plum ia every department of war, or ought they 1

to his guided by the opinions of the hon. member who had jest
addressed them (*the opinions of the hon. baronet the mesa. '
her for Finsbury, author of whom had soy special authority
on the question they were now considering! (Hear, bear.)
Captain JERVIS said that the speech of the hos. mew
hie for Liaksard yielded theold &digs, that a little learn*
was a dangerous thing.
Sir G. C. LEWIS rid the complaints made that two
years ago the house was taken by surprise, and that the
subject was not deliberately considered, would not apply in
the present year, because, according to the forms of the
house, it was necessary to found the bill upon a resolution,
which resolution gave rise to a debate equal to one on the
second reading. On the second reading of the bill which
was subeequently introduced there was a whole night's dis-
cussion, when the whole subject was minutely scanned ;
and now, so the first clause, the debate was revive'. The boo.
member for Liskeard did not address himself to any particular
clause, but be repeated, with some additional illustrative',
the arguments he used on former occaaions.
Sir F. SMITH trusted the govei ament would reduce the
somber of the forts, and then they would be economiaing
their resources instead of frittering them away. (Hear.)
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Lord PALMERSTON said be certainly felt much
flattered by the language which hail been used by the bon.
gentleman the member for Liskeerd, for he had given him
credit for much more than he had done. (Hear, hear.) He
bad been solicitous that the arsenals should be defended,
and it was the duty of the government to take measures for
the purpose. He could not take any =edit for the plans,
because they bad bean prepared by military authorities—
men of skill and science ; and, with deference to the boo.
gentlemen, their opinionswere much more entitled to weight
than the opinion of the hon. gentleman upon these matters.
There was nothing in the hoe. gentleman's speech which
had not been urged over and over again. and fully answered.
(Hear, hear.) The great argument which be made use of
was that it was impossible this country oonkl be invaded,
and that, therefore, these works would be useless.
Now, that was an argument which might be
maintained at • dinner table or • club, but it
was not an argument for sensible men to use in that
house when seriously discussing the question of fortifications,
because it was quite manifest that if • neighbouring
country chose to invade this country there would be nothing
more easy, unless indeed we had • sufficiently large fleet
to cope with the fleet of the invaders, and
also an army as large as the enemy. (Hear, hear.)
The history of the last war showed that we could not be
sure of having the support of • fleet large enough to stop an
invading form. The hon. gentleman had stated that be
(Lord Palmerston) bad said on • former occasion that an
army of 50,000 or 100,000 might be leaded in one night.
That was not what he said ; but what be mid was, that an
expedition of that amount might traverse the Chat.oel in
one night, and be at the point of landing in the morning.
Aed with regard to means, modern science bad dispelled all
doubt on that subject, for flat-bottomed boats carrying from
100 to 150 men each, and horses, would be able to land
such a force in • comparatively brief space of time.
The hon. gentleman said that his (Lord Palmer-
ston's) example of the landing of the French at
Genoa did not apply. He said it did apply. Suppose one
of the small portion our south coast occupied by a hostile
force, the main body of the invading force would have the
same facilities of landing as the French had at Genoa. His
ban. friend was right in saying that there was hardly any
instance where • Landis( had been seriously attempted
which had not succeeded. How was the landing to be
effected There would be • large naval force drawn up be-
fore your shore sweeping the beech with • powerful artil-
lery, and driving away any force you might 'Ave there to
prevent the landing. An hon. and gallant officer op-
posite said just now that if 100,000 men suc-
ceeded in landing, he would not give la. • bead
for their lives. That was all very well, but he would ten
them what would happen. If be (Lord Palmerston) had to
invade a country for that purpou it wan obvious what his
course would be. He should land • comparatively small
force to attack an undefended dockyard, and to destroy the
marine force of the enemy. Whets that was done, let the
troop so landed surrender if they were attacked by • supe-
rior force—no doubt they would be well treated and ulti-
mately sent back home. They could not supper) that in
this country men would be put to death in cold blood ; and
would it not be worth while for any rival of England to
sacrifice 10,000,15,000, or even 20,000 men to destroy our
arsenals and our dockyards ? What was the greatest loea
sustained at Solferino and Magenta, or the less in the Rus-
sian campaign? Much more than that, and to accomplish a
far less object. It was plain then that it would be worth
the while of an Welding power to sucrifiee • certain num-
ber of men to destroy oar dockyards, cripple our navy. and
so give to that power the supremacy of the sea. What
was here asked was, not to make invasion impossible,
but to takeaway the object and temptation of invasion. The
hoe. gentleman said that he (Lent Palmerston) sneered the
other day at free trade and the commercial treaty with
Franca (Loud cotes of "Hear.") He beggedhowever to say
that hedid oosuch thing. (Oh.) Heattaehed as mach value to
the commercial treaty and free trade as did the hoe. gee-
Haman. He knew their fall value. He respected them and
respected the hon. member who had so great • part in en.
forcing the principles of the one and in carrying the other
into practice, (Hear, bear.) But what be did animadvert
upon was the Wee applications of those principles to • re-
sult which they would not bear. He said it was nonsense,
in his opinion, to say there was no likelihood of a dispute
with • great foreign power because we had established free
trade and concluded with it • eognmercial treaty. On •
former occasion be cited the example of the United
States of America as a proof that you could
not place reliance upon commercial relations
for maintaining peon They could not name any two
countries between whom there were more, until lately, in-
timate commercial relations than Great Britain and the
United States, or between whom the links of commerce
appeared to be more strongly united, or where there was
patter sympathy between the people of the two countries.
Bat in spite of that popular pensions became excited on
some question apparently interfering with or concerning the
honour of the two countries, and we saw those two countries
led oa to the eve and verge of • rupture. (Hear.) It was
nonsense, then, to say that, as • permameot foundation
of our policy, it was sufficient to have a good commercial
treaty with this or that country. sad to establish
principles of free trade. When they talked of oar military
and naval defences they must rely upon those means which
science gave us, but that was altogether different from the
ordinary transactions of peace, with regard to which treaties
of commerce and free trade bad no doubt their value, and
ought to have their weight. (Hear.)
Mr. B. OSBORN'S contended that no answer had been
given to what he had advanced. All the noble lord bad
done was to pat forward his own authority upon the prin-
ciple, "I am Sir Oracle, when I speak let no dog bark."
(A laugh.) If the house was prepared to vote this money
upon the extraordinary and inapposite srgoments of the
Secretory for War and the penoaal armrests of his leader,
all be (Mr. Osborne) could say was that the House of Com-
ma= would 'handout its duty.
Mr. HADFIELD assured the noble lord that what be bad
said on a former evening respecting his bon. friend the
member for Rochdale bad made a great impression upon the
country, and the noble lord would, as the result, probably
find that when next be had occasion to appeal to what he
called the Manchester school, he would appeal= vain.
Mr. COBDEN (who was loudly cheered) thanked his hon.
friends the members for Sheffield and Liskeard for throwing
over him the shield of protection ; but, sa regarded the
attacks of the noble lord, be had been too beg
in the house to take them very seriously from any quarter,
sod bad gone through too much to suffer any serious annoy-
ance from them. (Hear, hear.) He had had some l'e
of arms in that house with those who in history would be
recognised as the noble lord's superiors—(loed cbeers)—and
if he was to have an antagonist he was almost inclined to say
that he preferred the noble lord to any other. ("Hear,
hear," and a laugh.) It was • saying of Dr. Johnson's in
speaking of hie friend Sir Joshua Reynolds that he did sot
know of any man who, is tree of a quarrel, he should God it
so difficult to say anything against, but with regard to
the noble lord he (Mr. Cobden) looked upon him as
the most vulnerable of 'statesmen either in
this or any other country' Hear* and laughter.)
He did not protege to know anything about forti-
fications himself, and took therefore as his guide what
he took to be competent military and naval authorities.
Balancing the opinions he obtained from various sources,
and jokier accordingly, there could be no doubt that this
scheme and all that belonged to it was simply and solely
the work of the noble lord. (Hoer, bear.) And if by any
accident he should disappear from this scene tomorrow
nobody ever supposed that the scheme would go on. (Hear,
hear.) Look at the noble lord's colleagues, look at the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, the right hoc. gentleman who
had been the very breath in the nostrils of the present ad-
miuiatratics for the past two or three yams. (Cheers.)
W hat kept the party together? Why, faith is the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer. (Cheers.) There could be no
doubt that if that right hoc. gentleman went oat
of the government the present government would
break up within a fortnight. (More cheering.) There
were 60 or H) gentlemen on that, the ministerial, aide
of the house who would invite from the other side • step to
pot nut the government, was it not for the faith they had in
the Chancellor of the Exchequer and his right hon. friend
the President of the Board of Trade, from whom connection
with the government they still hoped the country would
get something batter than it now received. (Cheers.) But
what he said was that the noble lord was carrying through
this measure without sympathy or support from the Chan-
' caller of the Exchequer or his riglithon. friend. He was not
hazarding an opium, for it was one about which there
could be no doubt. The Chancellor of the &chequer bad
ostentatiously abstained from giving his support to. or
'lending the countenance of his presence on. the wood
occasion when the scheme had been under discussion. There
could be co doubt, then, that the scheme was that of the
noble lord, and of the noble lord alone. He (Mr. Cobden)
came into the house at the period of the downfall of the
whip in 1841. and he remembered from that time on the
noble lord bad been always the patron of increased arma-
ment), and in giving responsibility and efficiency to the
efforts of the late Sir C. Napier. From 1842 to 1846, when
the late Sir R. Peel's government fell, the noble lord was
coostantly importuning that statesman for increased 871:011•
meets, and always urging the game arguments in rapport
of his view. But upon this subject of fortificatiom the noble
lord knew on more personally than be did, hut, like him,
took his opinions at aecoodhand. The hoe, and reliant officer
opposite (Sir F. Smith), whose courage sad porseveraoce in
bring' his technical views before the house he (Mr.
Cobden m eld not but admire became that wee not a
favou assembly- for technical dentoisstratines of any
kind—(hear) ;--the hon. and gallant aloe?, • high authority
upon fortifications, and the gallant seaman oppreite (Sir J.
Hay), Win both oppreisidthis adorn& (Haar, boo.) Eir

T. Bo :goyim, they knew, was opposed to these absurd forts
au the top of the hill. (No, no.) He blew that there
was a great difference of opinion upon these matters ; he
did not profess to understand them, and would see be so
presumptuous as to pronounce au opinion upon them. Bat
they were all competent to judge whether there were soy
immediate danger requiring that we should fortify ourselves
Ito addition to a Beet larger than that of Frans, and larger
than he could find that we had ever before possessed. If they.
were not any danger, would it not be better for themselves
and the country for the present to discard the subject alto-
gether, and vote no money except for those forts which must
be finished, and for the payments necessary to complete pur-
chases
of land ? In deference to the state of things
that they sew in the country, let them not tnock the people •
by these discussions upon a question which had no form or
consistency except in the mind of the noble lord at the head
of Misgovernment. (Hear.) It was his, and kis only. He ;
bad called it the noble lord's idea, end he was possessed with
that idea. But was the House of Cornmeal so abject—
(ohesrs)—ras it so impotent that it could sot examine
authority in this matter? (Renewed cheers.) He should
say if this and other kindred measures were to be carried by
the advocacy of hon. gentlemen on the other side of the
house, but not by the official members on the other side—for
they were too wise to take that course—if the noble lord
were to carry this and kindred measures by the aid of those
who represented the least advanced section of the coiner-
vative party, sad in spite of the °opacities of those who ;
eat upon the liberal side of the house, and who represented
the largest and first constituencies, it would become • serious '
question whether something should not be done to make
three who really governed take the responsibility of go-
verning—(cheen),—and not have the noble lord in opposi-
tion to the wishes of his most enlightened colleagues and
directly in the teeth of those who sat armed him carrying
on the government on high tory principles, and • House of
Commons responsible for his administratkm. (Loud cheers.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXOHEQURR—I am sorry,
at this critical moment, to ask Indulgence again for •
few moments, but an expression used by my boa.
friend who has just sat down renders it mow
airy that I should my • few word*. (Heir, hear.) My
boo. friend hes stated that I have in a marked manner
shown disapproval of the project of fortification which has
been before the house during the present session, sod which
was before the house in 1860, by absenting myself during
the discussion upon it. I hold that it ia not competent
to any man, being a minister of the crown, hiving given
his assent to soy measure whatever, to testify his disappro-
val of that measure, or to exempt himself from one jot or
tittle of responsibility in respect to it, by any means, and
least of all by absenting himself from the house. (Hear,
bear.) lam not surprised at the remark of my hon. friend,
because it did happen that when the statement
was originally made by my noble friend, for Dome
hours of that evening I was not in my place. But
my absence on that occasion was due in the main to acci-
dent, and in no degree whatever to the motives which my
hon. friend has imputed. (Hew, hear.) The plan which is
now before the house is one with respect to which I may
perhaps, like my hon, friend, plead personal Incompetency
to pronouns, a precise judgment upon its merits as a milt.
tary scheme. But at the same time it is • plan to which I
stead pledged and committed as • member of her Majesty's
government. (Cheers.) It is not, as boa bete stated by
my hon. friend the member for Liskeerd (Mr. Osborne), the
plan of the commissioners, but it is a restricted and partial
Adoption of the plan. I assented to that partial ado P-1
Lion oI the plan in 1860, upon considerations which
appeared to nee to be sufficient. I still abide by the
decision which I then thought it my duty to adopt,
but neither in respect to this measure, nor in respect to
any other measure, have I at any time attempted or shall
I at any time attempt anything so futile and so culpable se
to avoid or to diminish any individual respearibility by lib- 1
smiting myself from the house. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON—I mint say a few words after
what has fallen from my hon. friend the member from
Rochdale. lam sorry his temper has been so much ruffled.
(Oh, oh.) My endeavour always is when I am attacked se
I was by him the other night—(oh, ohl—well, there was not
• 1140,4200 in which he did not bring in the noble viscount
did this, or the noble viscount did that—it was in fact
• personal attack upon me from beginning to end.
I endeavour always in a can of that sorl to do what an
Englishman is very apt to do, to give • man as good se lie
briogs—(a laugh)—and when that is done, I go home and
think no more of it. (Hear, hear.) The hon member
seems more thin akinned. ("Oh, oh," and " Hear, hear.")
I have been in the house longer then he has, and I advise
him never to make • violent personal attack upon anybody
if he is not prepared to receive an answer in return, because
he may depend upon it teat it will be his fate to receive •
reply, if the person he refers to is worthy of brier attacked.
(Hear, hear.) Dim sorry that he should have been so much
raffled as, after this interval, to rise with so great • feeling
of resentment. (" Oh, oh," and cheers.) He NOM to think
that the only contest in this house ought to be—
Rims est übi to pulses ego
Vapolo tantum,
and that all the " innings" ought to be on his side.
(Laughter.) But depend upon it he will not always find that
to be the owe.

After a few words from Captain Tausor in support of the
amendment,

The committee divided upon the question "that the
words proposed to be lett out stand pert of the question :"
Ayes llO
62-48

Woes

The amendment was therefore lost.
On clause 2
Sir S. NORTHCOTE moved to add the following pro-
viso :—" Provided always. that it shall not be lawful to
uply any of such sums to soy work not specifically named
in the schedule, nor to apply to any work any greater sum
than that which is set down in the schedule as the total
estimated cost of the work, nor to make any contract invol-
'log the expenditure in rug district of a greeter sum than
is set down to be expended on the works in that district
within the period ending on the let day of August, 1863,
unless such expenditure has been previously approved by a
resolution of the House of Commons."
After some discussion,
The committee divided:
Fur the amendment lO6
Against it lll-5
The announcement of the numbers wu received with
cheery from the minority.
Sir S. NORTHOOn asked whether the Secretary for
War would have any objection, after the division which
had taken place, to the adoption of the words he had pre-
viously suggested.
Sir 0. LEWIS said be had no objection to talcs the
words of the first part of the resolution, and to alter the
remainder so that the contract should not be binding unless
it had been previously laid upon the table of the huuse and
approved of within a month.
The amendment was inserted, and the clause as amended
was agreed to.
The remaining clauses of the bill were also agreed to.
On the schedule, SirJ. HAY moved the suspension of
the works et the fort in the Plymouth Sound until a
decision ham been come to by the government as to the
forts at Spithead.
. . . _

After debate, on • division the motion was lost by 149
to 89.

The Louse reoumed.
THAMES EMBANKMENT BILL.

This bill u ameoded was considered.
Mr. ROEBUCK moved a clause havlog for its object the
prohibition of the use of locomotives aloog the streets
between Temple Bar and Westminster. He should not have
moved the reinsertion of this clause, which bad been
rejected, ware it not that the benchers of the Temple, in
withholding any opposition to the measure, had stipulated
for the insertion of this clause.

Mr. COWPER said that the Templar' seemed to have
great apprehensions respecting the passing of locomotives
between the Temple and the river. He bad no objection to
restore the clause.

Sir W. JOLLIFFE thought** clones would be a very
mischievous and useless pesos of legislation. He did not
see why some streets of the metropolis should be under one
law and others under a different one. Moreover, he
objected to an enactment which would have a prejudicial
effect upon the improvement of a clam of engines which
were already found to be very useful.
The house divided :

Ayes 110
Noes 100-10
So the asses was added to the
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Mr. A. Skint moved to insert, after "one hun-
dred," the words, "and thirty," the object being to add
thirty feet to the width of the proposed roadway.
Mr. OOWPER opened the amendment, which was nega-
tived.

Mr. ALCOCK moved that clause 14 shall in no way pre-
vent the Metropolitan Beard of Works from raining (except-
ing only at Whitehall and Temple-gardens), the height of
the roadway on the embankment to a uniform level of fif-
teen feet above Trinity bigh•water mark, should they con-
sider it necarary for the effectual development of the
metropolitan thoroughfams to give facilities for increased
communication by additional bridges, from the north em-
bankment to any future one on the south side.

Mr. COWPER objected that the consequence would be
that the proposed alteration of level would prevent any per-
son from getting over or under Waterloo-bridge.
The motion was negatived.
Mr. DILLWYN moved a proviso empowering the orrice
of wharves or premium on the banks of the river in the way
of the embankment, who shall wish to sell the whole of such
wharves or premises, that the jury should lases the value
'evadingly.
Mr. COWPER replied that the case would once within
the provisions of the Lands Clauses Consolidation Act.
The motion was negatived.
Mr. IOI7LTON moved the °minion of clones 34, which
gave to the Chief C011111116061t of Works a power of veto
over the decision of the Metropolitan Board es regards tho
buildings on the embankment.
Mr. T. Cottage and Mr. Trim also opposed the clause,
which was supported by Mr. COM.= sad Biz H. Wu,
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