The Express.
London, England, 1862-06-25 00:00:00

IMPERIAL P,

HOUSE OF LORDS.-TIIIIIDAY, Jrmi 2L

The LORD CtUXCILLOI took his seat at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINFISS.
The following bills were read a third time and pessed
Vale of Clwyd Railway ; Burton-upon-Trent Railways ;
Hereford, Hay, and BMW) Railway (Deviations) ; South
Eastern Railway (Tunbridge and Dartford Lime) ; Inner
shire and Yorkshire Railway (Additional Powers) ; Oldham,
Ashton.uniler-Lyne. and Guide-bridge Junction Railway;
Bridge of Weir Railway; Bala and Dolgelly Railway;
Corwen and Bak Railway; Manchester, Sheffield, and
Lincolnshire Railway (Additional Powers) Bill.
FRIENDLY SOCIETIES BILL.
The Earl of SHELBURNE moved the tint reading of
this bill, the provisions of which, he said, had been pre-
pared with great care by Mr. Tidd Pratt.

NEW ZEALAND BILL.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE moved the second reading
of this bill. He rid that by the New Zealand Constitution
Act, the colony was divided into six provinces, and power
was given to the General Assembly of New Zealand to sub-
divida'thcee provinces,and to •stdtutenew provinces, if they
should so think dt, with the same powers u those permed
by the existing provinces. The New Zealand legislature
had thought fit to exercise this power, but the law officials
of the colony thought that they had exceeded their authority.
Certain of the errors which were discovered in the New
Zealand Act were removed by the act he bad the honour to
introduce last session, but there were some others, being
matters of a trivial nature, and involving questions of little
or no public or political interest, which it was the object of
this bell to remove. But whilst this and the preceding act

went some way in tranderring the power of giving ;about
to bills from the chief superintendents to the governor, he
regretted that the government did not feel themselves
justified in making further alterations, by way of curing
what they believed to be defects in the existing constitution.
Earl GREY observed on the doubtful policy which had
given self-government to New Zealand oa the condition that
it s►ould provide for its own defence, and yet retained all
the responsibility, and all the expense attendant on its in-
ternal disturbances ; and he urged that some reconstruction
of the constitution of the colony was necessary.
The Earl of Desert, Lord Taunton, and Lord Lyveden
orescorred geoerally on this point, and the latter 'eked for
further information on recent events in the colony.
After some observations in reply from the Duke of New-

Theill was read a second time.
PUBLIC HOUSES (SCOTBILL.LAND) ACTS ANENDXIENT
ILortIKINNAIRD moved that the report of amendments

be received.
The Earl of MINTO moved as an amendment that the bill
be re-committed. Their lordships had not yet had an oppor-
tensity of discussing its principle, although the measure was
one of great importance, and one that could stand alone. I
Lord KINNAIRD feasted their lordships would not
agree to the motion of the noble lord. The bill was before
the other house two esesioss ; it was fully considered, and
• large number of petitions had been presented to the
House of Commons in its favour. The bell bad also been
fully considered in this house, on the motion that the bill
be committed. The object of the bill wee to put down deal-
ing in spirits in unlicemed houses.
Lord WODEHOUSE supported Lord Miuto's motion. In
consequence of persons not being able to get liquor in
licensed houses on Sundays they resorted to unlicensed homes,
and the consequence had been the establishment of clubs
where person resorted on Sundays to drink. Ooe great
objection he bad to the bill was that the power of imposing
penalties was gives to one nag= He also objected
to the provisions regarding "sin
The Duke of ARGYLL entirely directed from the Mete-
manta of his noble friend. This bill bad nothing to do with
the Forbes kfackensie Act. The only object of it was to
give power to make reptilian; to put down unlicensed
bongos.
Earl GREY said he thought the bill ought to be recom-
mitted, as it contained many provisions which re-
quired further consideration. Some of the provi-
sions were the most extraordinary that were ever
If • person invited a friend to Meier, and the =di
drunk, the person inviting him wee lilt* to be fined if any
witness would swear that the house was by reputation •
ahibbeen. Could anything be more arbitrary ? But another
provision was worse, for it dated that if a perms
would swear that there was reasonable ground
to believe that traffickieg is liquor went on in •
wheel- ar house he might Moe • warrant to search the
Loose , and if • quantity of spirits exceeding me gallon were
found in it, the occupier use to be deemed to be a
dealer in liquor. There wee no instigation ; the mere
fact of the finding of the liquor and the evidence of one
witnese that there was reasou to believe trafficking in
spirits wept on there was sufficient Why under such •
clause Inverary Castle might be deemed • shilibeen, and his
noble friend (the Duke of Argyll) subject to the penalties.
Looking at the nature of these provisions he thought the
bill ought to be recommitted.
The Duke of BUCCLEUCH hoped the house would not
agree to the amendment. So far from the bill coming upon
them by surprise, it had been before parliament in two
sessions, and been discussed in every county meeting in
Scotland. and at all those meetings an opinion favourable to
Its principle was pronounced. It was no mere fanciful or
theoretical measure, but was founded on the report of •
royal commission, consisting of very able men, and persided
over by Sir G. Clerk. The bill introduced no new law in
Scotland, because at preseet, by the common law of that
country, it was illegal to traffic in anything whatever on
Sunday, and it was only by a decision of the Conn of Ses-
sion, in IBl'2, that persons were relieved from the penalties
which attached to any violation of that law.
Upon a division the numbers were :
For the amendment 22
Against it
The amendment was consequently last.
Their lordships then proceeded with the consideration of
the report of amendments, and after some discussion it we
weed to.
ARTILLERY B.ANGIB BILL

This bill was read • 'mood Um.
LLNDED PROPEBTX IMPROVEMENT (=LAND)

ACT AMENDMENT BILL
This bill was mad a third tins tad paned.
PUBLIC WORKS AND HARBOURS ACT AMEND•

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KENT BILL.
This bill was reed a third Urns and passed.
LEASES, &c. BY JNCUNBENTS RESTRICTION ACT
_ AMENDMENT BILL

The report of areeamrent;lnabrOuglii up sad agreed to.
NIGHT POACHING.

Lord BERNER% wished to ask whether her Melody's
government were prepared to bring in soy measure this
session to suppress the evils of night poaching.
Fall GRAN VILLE said that he was not able to give the
noble lord any other answer than he bad given some few
days ego. It was not the intention of the government to
introduce any measure on the subject. He thought it im-
politic to allow the police to assist in the preservation of
game. In reference to the statistics of his noble friend, he
must observe that from the evidence he had seen, it did
not appear that the persons engaged in poaching were ha-
bitually guilty of other crimes, as the records showed only
1 per cent. of poachers who were also convicted of other
offences.
The Earl of DERBY add that be had heard with regret
the answer given by her Majesty's government to his noble
friend. This was not a question simply regarding the main-
tenance and support of the game laws, but it was deeply
connected with an amount of crime in the rural districts.
lie could speak front his own experience, that he was
obliged this year to prosecute no less than three parsecs
for murderous attacks upon his keepers. Those attacks
were made with donee, pitchforks, and other weapons. The
poachers came up to bodies gessally of 8, 12, and 14.
One of his keepers was left for dead. One of the poachers
seeing bins lying on the ground returned and stabbed
the wounded MO with a pitchfork. The keeper was
not killed, but afterwaide recovered from his dreadful in-
juries, but the man who had actually stabbed him was not
ultimately convicted. He felt sure that before long her
Majesty's government would be called upon to provide a
remedy for evils which bad mow become intolerable.
The Earl of 11ALMESBUR Y said there wee no difference in
principle between the preservation of fish and the preserva-
tion of game. Both matters came under the same category,
and therefore bedid not think it was a good argument to say
that the police should not interfere in the way proposed by
his noble friend behiud him (Lord Bernar), when they had
been ordered to do so in the preservation of English
fisheries.
Lord BERNERB then brought in a bill for the suppres-
sion of night pombiog.
The bill was read a first time.
BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.

The Duke of RICHMOND mowed that two persons gamed
Isaacs and Preston should be summoned to the bar of the
home on Thursday next. His grace explained that thaw
penons bud attended oa the committee on the Feat
Glouosstershire Railway Company, and it was proved that
they had obtained a great lumber of signatures against the
w mosed railway by gong round the town and telling the
person who signed that the petition was in favour of the
bill. By 'neaps of these false pretences it wit proved that
they got a large iniether et sigaatures. They were both
examined as wit:Drees ; and in the course of examination,
though the conduct of one of them was much worse than
that of the other, they left little doubt on the minds of the
committee that they won neither speaking the truth. The
evidence takaa before the eelnalittee had been printed, and
would be laid before their kodoldpe.
The motion wee agreed to.
BISHOPS IN HECOUNTATHE AND
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RI.

The Bishop of OXFORD laid CO tbe amble a bail with re-
ference to the appoinlaneat el tailings in heathea and Ma-
bomedan countriern
Their lordships adjourned J 10 minutes before 8.

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