The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-07-20 00:00:00

order to satisfy Sir Cornewall Lewis, the chairman put
in a statement directly the contrary of what Mr. Boult
was continually putting forward. That statement clearly
proved that Birkenhead, looking forward to the
increase of trade, would pay. The chairman put
that statement in, and upon that statement the bill
was passed. He, therefore, stated distinctly that
they ought not, as a board,lo do anything which would
interfere with the completion of the Birkenhead Docks.
He believed that when the Birkenhead works were com-
pleted, they would materially relieve the Liverpool
Docks. He denied that Birkenhead had been a loss to
the estate; and contended that the town dues ought to
be put to the credit of the benefit which the board had
received from Birkenhead. If Mr. Boult's motion were
carried, it would tend to prevent the benefits to be
derived from Birkenhead from being developed.
Mr. SHAND said that, notwithstanding the extensive
accommodation which would be derived from Birken-
head, he was still under the impression that all the
accommodation sought for by Mr. Boult will be required.
But if they were to attempt to go to Parliament, per-
haps they would only lose time, and at the same moment
create an amount of prejudice that, even when they went
at a future time, they would find the greatest difficulty
in establishing a case.

The CHAIRMAN said it was scarcely necessary for him
to reply to the attack which had been made upon him
by Mr. Laird, The observations made by Mr. Boult
were general observations, and he did not understand
them to apply to members of the board. Mr. Laird, in
the observations he made, specifically stated that gentle-
men came to that board for an improper purpose ; and
it was his (the chairman's) duty, in his opinion, to stop
imputatiops of that kind upon members of the hoard.
There was a difference, therefore, between the two cases.
(Hear, hear.) Mr. Laird had alluded to the estimate
which, at the request of the chairman of the committee,
he very reluctantly put in,—not as an estimate of the
receipts of the Birkenhead and Liverpool prOperty, but
of the receipts and expenditure of the whole of the
estate, at the expiration of five years. Of course it was
necessary to enter into particulars, but he told them
that it was a mere estimate, subject tq a vast amount of
contingency. Mr. Laird, in calculating the revenue to
be derived from Birkenhead, put to the credit of
Birkenhead the profit arising from the town dues
off the whole of the trade of the port. He
would not quarrel with that; but he merely mentioned
it as explanatory of the statement, inasmuch as they got
£140,000 a year for a million and a half of money, which,
perhaps, might be considered half of its mercantile value,
—Mr. Laird took the credit of the other half as profit
to the Birkenhead trade. As regarded the merit of the
motion made by Mr. Boult, he thought there was a
great deal. of truth in Mr. Boult's observations. It
would be desirable to provide accommodation for the
steam trade on this side, but it was perfectly certain that
there was no more chance of carrying it through Parlia-
ment than of carrying the most impossible thing that
they Foul Fq to Parliament for. The t41,1r, Was totally
out of question, in his mina. /0. Brocklehanic had
skid that there was no probability of success ; and on
the other hand, as far as his (the chairman's) experience
went, there was a certainty of defeat. Supposing
they got the parliamentary powers—great as the powers
of that estate were, and great as the powers of the
engineer were,—there was a limit to the powers
of every estate, however large. He was quite
satisfied that with the works they had now
Ong on? 40 the works they had already whit,
inentary powers for 9 this side, it would he totally
impossible for them to go into additional WOrks with a
chance of their being properly curried out. With regard
to the hallcial part of the matter, Mr. Laird had alluded
to the Birkenhead works being retarded in consequence
of the prosecution of the Liverpool works, but Mr.
Hartley had instructions to prosecute the works, and had
no stint of money—in point of fact, there had been a
great deal of money spent for which these was no necces-
sity_an4 he thought it was very ungracious of Mr.
pad to bring that forward.
tioßp- explained that be meant that, as there
was a scarcity of men, the men employed on the Liver-
pool side, of course, took so many men away who might
be employed on the Birkenhead side, in pushing on the,
work wore quickly.

The NAIRMAN said in that view of the ease it might
be as Mr. Laird had stated, but they had expended
£1.01),000 more than they had been obliged to O;PoPd
ky ral:lil4. It was only lagt feel: 9,1.4 the board
a
had authorised the committee to make purchase of
laud on the other side of the water, and they had been
laying down graving docks, which were not necessary in
carrying out the plans of the Act of Parliament. That
showed that it was the disposition of the board to carry
on the works on the other side of the water as rapidly
as possible. There had been no want of urgency on the
part of the board pressing on the engineer the prosecu-

tion of the works on the other side of the water. There
had been no delay on his part that could possibly be
avoided, but a number of their man had been induced to
leave their works by gentlemen having works in other
parts of the kingdom. With reference to the motion,
at all events for this year he should not have any hope
of carrying the bill through Parliament—he might say
or even next year. It had been observed that the Ame-
riCan and steam trades would not go to Birkenhead ;
but he was quite sure that Mr. Boult would not have
voted last week as willingly as he did do, for the pur-
chase of a large quantity of laud en the other side of
the water, unless it was his opinion that a large amount
of trade would go to Birkenhead. Some of the trades
would have to go there which now frequented the Liver-
pool Docks; and they, going there, would leave space
for the American trade and steam trade, which now
could not find space. Therefore, whatever trade went
there, it facilitated the working of the docks on this
side of the water. He concluded by' expressing a hope
that the board would not press for the preparation of
plans, and for going to Parliament—steps which could
only lower the board in the estimation of r arlisment
and the public.
Mr. CRAVES said that having, on a previous occasion,
taken a very strong view of the necessity of providing
accommodation for the steam trade, he was still of the
same opinion. Such was the elasticity of the trade of
the port, that he was afraid that for the future they
would not be able to keep in advance of it, as they
had done hitherto. He could not shut his eyes to the
fact that the Huskisson Dock must be the place where
the next steam-docks must be made ; but 4 el to Id be
sorry if that beard went S 9 Vailiainent with any case but
u good one. He thought they would have a better
chance of succeeding when the Birkenhead float had
been open for two or three months. If trades would
not go there, then Mr. Boult was right, but he would
not admit a general assertion in an important tuattq•
of that kind; but when the docks had been opened for
six or nine months, they might argue from facts
and not from a general assertion. He anticipated
that a very large amount of trade would concentrate
at Birkenhead, and he was desirous of doing justice to
that side of the river, and he should be sorry that it
should be supposed for a moment, that in voting against
Mr. Boult's motion, which he intended to clq, is should
be doing an injustice to this side, He believed the
proper time for bringing forward this question would be
soon after the Great Float was opened. He concluded
by expressing regret at the remarks made by Mr.
Laird, asserting that he was sure every member of that
board came there to discharge his duty conscientiously.
Mr. Boult having replied, the motion was put and
lost by thirteen to six, the voting being as follows :
_For—Messrs. Boult, Evans, Forwood, Inman,
Rounthwaite, and Smith. _Against—Messrs. Rankin,
Laird,
410,a,
Brocklebank, Graves, Hubback, Hutel
Littledale, Monde', Seger, SLAVA Tobin, Arnold, and
the Chairman,
This was the whole of the general business.

ACCIDENT, YESTERDAY.—MiChaeI O'Connor, a sailor,
residing in Paget-street, fell off the stage of a ship into
the Bramley-Moore Dock, and sustained severe contu-
sions of the body and concussion of the hrain. He was
taken to the Nortbern Hospital.
THEsroEn L. 0. No. 18.--The anniversary dinner
of this select and well-conducted lodge came off yester-
day, at Mr. Johnston's Cattle Market Inu, Stanley. The
attendance was highly respectable, the cheer good, and
the conviviality admirable. We regret that the pressure
of other local matters has put it oUt of our power to
give a fuller account of this loyal and patriotic relinion.
SALE Of Sines, YESTERDAY.—At the offices
of Messrs. Cunard and Wilson, yesterday afternoon, the
following ships were offered for sale by auction :—The
barque Fatima, 373 tons register ; £3OO was first
offered, and the bids rose to £1,050, but the lot was
withdrawn. Also the barque Hyndeford, 480 tons, was
knocked down for £5OO. There was also a ship sale at
Messrs. Curry and Kellock's ; but only one of the lots
realised sufficient to be sold.

SHORT-TIME MOVEMENT.—MEETING OF PAINTERS.
—An adjourned meeting of the operative painters was
held last night, at the Oddfellows'-ball, St. Ann-street,
to receive the report of a deputation appointed to wait
upon the masters with reference to the memorial of the
men, for permission to commence work half-an-hour
later in the morning and leave at three o'clock, instead
of four, on Saturday. From the explanation of the
chairman (Mr. M.Donald), it appeared that the em-
ployers had come to no decision upon the matter, refusing
to recognise the deputation as coming from the general
body, merely considering them as a section of the club.
The principal object of the meeting was to obtain an
expression of opinion on the matter from all employed
in the trade, chewing that the deputation appointed
expressed the views of the whole of them. This object
was effectually attained, all the resolutious being carried
unanimously. It was stated that the employers would
again be communicated with, and that the reply might
be known on Saturday, on application to the officers of
the club, in Dawson-street. The proceedings terminated
with a vote of thanks to the chairman.

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