The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-11-09 00:00:00

Mr. LOCKETT. coincided with the views expressed by
the previous speaker. He did not, however, think the
rent quite sufficient, and thought the board had
power, if they found an obstruction on the dock; to
remove the property at once.
Mr. SHAND did not fall in with Mr. Hubback's
', opinions on this subject. He thought that the system
as it at present worked, so far as the infliction of the
fines was coteerned, was not productive of there evils
which some persona would seem to attribute to it. For
instance, if a heavy finel7ere inflicted on the Monday
for an,obstruction on the quays; it.was very seldom that
they had heard of similar complaints being made during
the remainder of the week: He did noe flxink that the
adoption of the proposed plan would increase or benefit
the commerce of the port; and it would be produttire
of more confusion than the course which they followed
at present. As to what had been stated, that one day
the consignees of a vessel were fined a certain sum by
one for causing an obstruction, and probably the next
day were mulcted in Alight penalty by another magis-
trate, he would suggest that one magistrate only should.
be appointed to hear and adjudicate on questions of this
nature, which would prevent the evils complained of by
a change of judges, in deciding these cases. He did
not, however, feel convinced that he would 'be justified
in voting for the motion.
Mr. Rankin supported the motion, as did also Mr.
Segar.
Mr. Tones- opposed it. He thought that Mr. Hub-
back was labouring under a wrong i"mpornessgffonerenthe
stated that different tines were charged whendays
by the magistrates. They should bear in mind that it
formerly was obligatory on the magistrates, who bad no
discretionary power whatever in the matter ; but, in
accordance withothe wishes of that board, the system
was altered, as it was considered a great hardship on
parties, and a discretionary power was, therefore, vested
in the magistrates. He also objected to Mr. Hubback's
motion, on the ground that that motion would arm the
traffic manager with too much arbitrary power. It Was
of extreme importance, to the shipowner that, after his
vessel completed a long voyage, he should have her cargo
discharged as quickly as possible and then removed. He
considered that. the appointment of the traffic manager
would lead to a great deal of abuse.
Messrs. Boult, Mondel, Brocklebank, and other gen-
tlemen spoke in favour of the motion.
The CHAIRMAN confessed that he -was sorry that

Mr. Ilubba.ck had not brought his motion as two dis-
tinct motions, and at another time. The report which
he had referred to in the commencement of his speech
had been issued years ago, but bad never been passed by
that board. He thought that the members of the board
had been called upon to consider two most important
questions within a very short space of time. But the
great matter for consideration was, how was it "to be
altered? With respect to the appropriation of the
money levied from the dock fines, it had been said they
had a right to come to that board, and he agreed with
Mr. Evans that such should be the fact. Such was the
•
-case until they had a new Act of Parliament, and ever
since that time they went to the borough fund. Mr.
Hubback had said that the way the fines were levied
was vicious. He (Mr. Turner) did not think the
system was bad in principle. The principle was
good, for the law laid it down that such fines
were to be levied according to the circumstances of the
case. With'reference to the observations made by Mr.
Brocklebank as to the power being granted for mitigating
the penalties below £5, no doubt that was an oversight
in the Act of Parliament. He did not think the sug-
gestion of Mr. Hubback would have the effect of clear-
ingthe quays. If they charged a rent of £lO or £l2,
he did not think it would induce the clearing of the
quays, as it would merely a question for the parties. to
consider whether it would answer their purpose better
to let the goods remain there, at the rent they might
have to pay, or to have them removed by paying for
the cartage and warehousinc, ; and he thought that the
adoption of such a principle, if carried out, would act
prejudicial to the trade of the port. He also thought
that it would be almost impossible to levy the rates, as
'they would have to employ extra men to ascertain the
exact rent due ; and for that purpose it would be abso-
lutely necessary to have a regular account of rent
kept. Therefore, under the circumstances, •he
thought it would be very wrong that the notices
should be given ; and unless Mr. Hubback could
make it clear that the system he proposed could
be worked, he could not support the resolution. Then
again, as to the appointment of a traffic manager. It
was proposed to have distinct traffic managers. For
such a man, they must' have one that was quite impar-
tial. Such a person must have power to give
orders, and be over the dock-master and over.the kar-
bour-master. He concluded by saying that he must
vote against the resolution.
Mr. - HUBBACK having briefly replied to the several
speakers, the board divided, when the motion was
adopted by 15 to 3.
The voting was as follows :
For Me Motion Messrs. Arnold, Boult, Rankin,
Brocklebank, Evans, Farnworth, Forwood, Hubback,
Littledale, Lockett, Monde], Rankin, Rounthwaite,
Segal., and Smith.
.A:gainst—The Chairman, Mr. Tobin, and Mr. Shand.
The Board then adjourned.

THE COURT.

WINDSOR CASTLE, Nov. 7.

The; royal dinner party included the Princess Alice,
the Hereditary Prince and Princess of Holstein Angus-
tenhourg, the Lady in Waiting to the Hereditary,
Princess, Major-General the lion. C. and
„Mrs. Grey,,
and Colonel the Hon. A. N. Hood.

The band of the Royal Horse Guards played during
he dinner.

ller Majesty's private band afterwards performed in
;he drawing-room. "

The Queen, accompanied by Princess Louise, walked
in the grounds of the Castle this morning, and visited
the Duchess of Kent at Frogniore.
The Prince Consort rode out on horseback, attended
by Colonel the Hon. A. Hardinge.
Princess Alice and Princess Helena also rode out on
horseback.

The Brighton Guardian of this morning says :—" We
regret to learn that the visit of her Royal Highnel's the
Duchess of Kent to Brighton is necessarily deferred for
the present. Her Royal Highness's state of health, we
regret to hear, incapacitates her for the journey. During
the week their Royal Highnesses the Duchess of Cam-
bridge and the Princess Mary have taken daily drives
along our cliffs. The weather baying been beautifully
fine has added much to the beneficial effeeth of our
bracing sea-breezes on the health of the august party.
On Sunday their Royal Highnesses again attended
divine service at St. John's Church, Hove. His Royal
Highness the Duke of Cambridge paid a flying visit to
his Royal mother on Sunday, and left for town again in
the evening." r

tripvilyq AnttiligtliCt.

Wind yesterda'7, E. at Holyhead. S.S.E.

ARRI

VED,

Nov. 7.

Etna (ss), Anderson, New York
Lookout, Twentyanan
Chase, Edwards New York
A E Hooper, Hooper,NewYork
Margaret Johanna, Auisterd•un

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Rebecca (ss) Malaga
William Danzic
Brothers, Clausen,...Bordeaux
Cottoner Girgenti
Geyser Ghent
Nova Scotian. (ss) Quebec
Costa itiu, Hamburg

. v Nov. 8.
Lurline, Perello Danzic
SAL

7.
Glasgow (ss), Thompson,
, New York
Emily Aiigusta, Strickland,
New Orleans Rosalie, 11,1v,Tk.
Martha, Themaa Malign I Antigua, Wite
Tinto, Jordan Lima Red Jacket, Maule,
Shakamaxon, Teulon, I • • • St Michael's
Melbourne Albatross,Conston Messina
. .
FOREIGN PORTS.
Manchester,-off New York
Rhone (ss), Hyne, hence at Leghorn, and cleared for Naples
Syrian (ss), Joy, hence at Gibraltar, and cleared for Corfu
Corinthian (ss), Wardell, hence at Gibraltar.
Arcadia (ss). Perrin, hence at Gibraltar, and cleared for Malta
Fortunate, ,Woodcock, from Zante at Gibraltar,. and cleared
for Liverpool
Orontes (ss), Watson, from Alexandria at Malta, and left for
Liverpool
Excelsior, Galatea, Laperouse, and Gipscy, all hence at
Pairnbeeuf , •
Aquila. hence at Trieste
Protector, Crocker; and Onesiphorus, Card, both hence at
New York
Albatross (ss), hence at Helvoet
Paxton Jonesrhence at Charleston
James Guthrie, hence at Baltimore
Tasso, Stabb, from Rio Janeiro at New York
Esther, hence at Anjcr for Batavia
SPOKEN.
Pioneer, hence for Richmond, Oct 22, 38N, 75W
Santiago, homeward bound, .'ept 7, 363, 20E
Typhoon, Bombay for Liverpool, Oct 6, lON, 26W
Revenue, Arica for Queenstown, Oct 4,10 N, 26W •
Blue•Jacke, hence for Melbourne, Nov 6. off Point Lyrias
Manchester, Oct 26, 41N, 70W
Sir Robert Peel, Penang for London, Aug 29, 345, 27 E
Coromandel, hence for China. Oct 81, 49N, 10W •
Symmetry, Quebec for London, Oct 31, 49N, IOW •
Caroline.Euphernia, and H Duncan, Oct 27, iuthe St Lawrence
Bohemian (ss), Oct 39, off Greeuby Island
James Foster, jun, bound west, Nov 3,56 N, 27W