The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1874-10-06 00:00:00

TIIE COTTM I E QUESTII /II I DORCII ENTER._

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Many men in the town were of provident habits and would
ntoi'''igemltlit:eidlryectointaiktMlurcet. tihGto offer them another piece of land.
like to have an opportunity of obtaining a houseof their ow n.
They had put a little Ily, and it was thought that by the
aid of Building Societies, they might build houses which
in a certain number of years would become their own.
Thriftiness oh odd ISt encouraged, but he did not think it
would lye wise to himuil,l houses so far in the direction of
Stafford iiS key Hole Lane -(hear, hear.) Mr. Greening
awl ~there Isionced to the Liberator Building Society,
and the .aylv thing that kept thou from erecting I sea
was the want of suitable sites. The meeting was called
that the matter should be freely discussed. He was glad
to st.te they had representatite4 both of the Dorset
Building and Investment Society and the Liberator
Building Society, from whoa probably they might hear
SOW: :1.11 ice in the subject. All wishing to speak would
have an opportunity of doing so.
Mr. Gitag.siso said he got the loan of the room and
took stel. to call the meeting that they might ventilate
the question of huildingcottages. One person now present
told him he would never see cottages built on the Duchy
, ground, but he hoped he would prove a false prophet,
while a second said he was building castles in the air, but
t if that were no they would not cost much—(laughter.)
Most of them were aware that plans were issuesl indi-
cating in one place villas and down near Lound's Mill
cottages for working men. Unfortunately the Duchy had
left them very touch in the dark as to time mice for the
land. 0.4 each piece was to be tendered for. However, he
underetood they were merely feeling their way, and
working men must do the same. He hoped there would
be a united effort to do one another good—linear, heard—
awl that the town would be extended and its trade and
prolserity increased. But unless an offer of some sort be
mask', the Duchy would say the petyple bad been long
talking about wanting more room anti now they
it'd not avail thenieelve of it. Ile did not
push this matter bemuse he was agent for • building
society, but simply with • view to setting building in
motion. Some of them had paid for their houses over and
over again, yet they were no nearer being the owners and
never would lye under the present system. But if they
had a small capital, and built houses for themselves by
the aid of a building society, they would in time be the
owners of the property. The Duchy stipulated that there
should be only eight cottages erected on an acre, and that
each one should have three bedrooms. If land could be
got at a moderate ground rent, he believed such cottages
could be built and let at about £lO6 year, and he thought
no one would grumble at that—(bmar, hear). As to the
COSt of a pair of cottages, he baa made inquiries, and
learnt it would be about £o.—(Voice : Oh what be '
talking about Are you going to put 4:100 in your pocket?)
Ile hail seen Mr. Herriott, and he thought there was •
, possibility of their being able to get a piece of land on
the Bridport tee& The Vonlington sites were suggested
for the people in that neighbourhood„ amid Mr. Herriot
suggested to him lot 57 on the plan. (A piece on the
south side of the Bridport road, immediately beyond the
railway.) He (Mr. Greening) and others fancied Ilillway
Furlong, and SA to that /dr. Hemet said they would
have to wait twelve months ; hut he answered they would
not mind that. A friend hail sketched in a plan the
etyttages that Millway Furlong would take, and it was
about 70. flat was the site he should like, and he hoped I
there would he a united effort to secure it.
Mr. ATKINS Mid lie felt sure there was no difference of
opinion amongst thiste present as to the desiralyility of
getting mon and better cottages for the working classes if
they could do it. While the question of site was the first
taint, and a very important one, it would he lintel, lye
tl tilt, if sonic perom would tell them approximately
the total cost of a yds-n.111,41 cottage, and what a lmilding
yesiety would he likely to advance to a working man
towards that outlay, with the tenim f repayment, as all
present would then be able to judge what they could
Individually do in the matter.
Mr. Mme.'s said whether the cottages were built by the
Liberator or any other building society, or by private
iiivestors, he felt sure that luO would immediately find
teuants. He thought LID would he a very fair rent. For
for or live years he had been trying to get a cottage anti
garden, but void' not obtain one with any back let. If •
working man had three rooms in the town, it cost him
41. a week. He sl hi be pleased to see any gentle-
man or eOIIII.IIIIY take • suitable suite and lyuild cottages ;
it did not matter to the working men by whom it was
done. Everylssly must soe that cottages were needed in
Dorchester. The list of voters only contained about 700
names, when there ought to lie 1,910 or 1,:e0l; and the
reason watt that three mr four ((milks occupied a large
house. iool only the n ~,,, inal landlord had a vote, so that
the list ylid nit give • fair representation of the inhabitants.
Mr. Vgasos said it seenini to him that it mattered but
little what the houyieyi cost sty long 3:1 they got them in the
right spot. If a working man were a toile or a mile and
a half away from his work, how multi lie get his meals /
What they wanted from the Ihichy was eligible sites near
the towty. where the working classes could have healty
and suitable rOttagel4.

Mr. Nin.1.14 went 1 ome land now used as gardens
betacen the County Police Station and the AiinthAVeritena
Railway, and a piece abutting Oft the Great-Western
Rail. ay between the passenger and goods stations.
Mr. Lull' suggested that the most suitable site for
cottages would he the plots near the SHlth•We4tenl
itaiiway no laid out for villas. He thought the require-
ments of the working classes ought to be considere,h. and
that there were already sufficient large howses in the torn
ictiie pre-vitrimity i!nes indicated.

Mr. B. I. LOCK oleerved that the meeting had tui
,upecity, could not bind themselves' to any-
thing, Or make any offer for land. The Duchy officials
would, of ...owe, look at the matter in a commercial
sense ; if the whole 1,1 those present were to sign a
bond to provide so owls money, they might aceept thou,
lot it would lie a rash thing to do. It seemed to lons
that in the first place they should confine thenseelves to
pointing out the unsuitable sei-it ion the prexent cottage
a-k for anether. Millway Furlong might he
snitside. intl it WoUld aecommislate about 70 cottage.—
rather mon. than the 1401111 K Mill site, but he lii not see
how they could make any offer fur it Mr. Ilerriot or any-
holy else eould accept. In regard to Building Societiee it
met be rememben.el that they did not build. awl they
might he sure the Liberator nor any other Building
Society would Wee this land and build their cottages.
That riadd only be done by means of a company similar
to thow now being carritsl on in several large town.,
Industrial Dwelling I. paniee, by which to raise half
the sum sie.steory to build a lot of housee, and provide
the other half either themselves or through Building
Societies. Isi their collective capacity that meeting could
net snake the Duchy an offer, and It did not seem that
any eapitalist WILA seedy on their behalf to do no, there-
fore lie thought all they could do was to ask the Duchy to
allot better sit.% for cottage. let 'liwt.evrrwouldloiil,l them.
Ile did not agree with Mr. Lace; that the intereets of the
working classes were to he restanl.l solely, althoegh he
.urneidertel they should not be made suleeirvient to others.
But the fact ESA the working classes,' were not able to
pay for the hest sitcx, either to buy or rent, and conse-
quently they must take others of less value—(hear, hear,
and ' oh, tub'). It was true the Duchy were wit
necessarily eliligtel to make the most they could of the
land, and he felt sure that the "toned would let working
men have cottage sites at a reasonable price. To erect
them lie suggested for their consideration an Industrial
De ening. Company, to consist partly of themselves and
partly of capitalists in the town and neighbourhood.
Mr. ATKINs expressed his general concurrence with the
remarks of Mr. Lock, but said he thought the establish-
ment of a new cowpony would be attended with very
great Ilifficulty. and that existing Building Societies offered
all the advantages such a society would. As Millway
Furlong eatinot at any rate be obtained before another
twelve tits, would it not be the wispy plan for working
men to invest what they had and save what they could in
the ensuing year, and then get the help of the best
Building Soeiety they could find for the purpose, to erect
houses for themselves. It WAA impnesible that they
could do mere at the present time than ask the Duchy to
resent: fur them a suitable iiite as near the town as
plAolitau.
Mr. LOVELACE nail they seemed to be all pretty much
in the dark, and talking without any practical result, lie
rugilested that the Chainium with one or two others
should wait on Mr. lierriot and explain the views of the
meeting in regent to the need of a better site for cottages,
awl report the result to another meeting, lie agreed with
Mr. Atkins an to the towfulness of • Building Society,
hut dealing with them required a good deal of care, anti
lie should prefer for them to form • society of their own.
Mr. LACEY maintained that working men were entitled
to the consideration of the Duchy in the matter of cottage
'Bee, and pressed that efforts should be made to secure
plots near to or in the town.
Mr. Vensoe, with a view to eliciting the opinion of the
meeting pnipesesl -"That tide meeting having considered
the plan 14 the Duchy of Cornwall, allotting land for
cottage sites in the neighbourhood of Letel's Mill, Ford-
respectfully represent to the Council of lib. Royal
Ilighne,s the Prince id Wales that the NEMO are ineligible
owing to their ilistanee from the town, which would
render it inuessible for men living there and working in
Derehester to go to awl Frew their house ist meal time. ;
mail that the loudly bouneil be requested to provide
other sites on lit. Royal Iliglunes'e estate in or near the
tow 'l.'l

Mr. LACYc nde.l, and it wax carriol utrmlinouay.
Mr. MILE"; prdp....441 that is deputation front this meeting
wait uwal Mr. Ilerriot awl explain to 1 he wants of
the working classes, awl, if posoilde, *et h:finite tering
hir plot, in the town which would busintahle. Ile named
Mr. Vernon, Mr. Atkins, Mr. J. 11. Lock, the Chairman,
Mr. AlLudyce, and Mr. Lovelaue
Mr. LuVELACE des-hued, awl Um names of Mr. Miles and
Mr. Lacey were added.
Mr. EnusoN hoped that an interview with the Duchy
representative would lie productive of good results. Ile
then referred to a s.stiety funnel by the Earl of Shaftes-
bury, called the Artisans, Labourers, and tleneral
Dwellings Company, Limited, to pnwsido houses for the
working 441.1.445ei, which hownie their own after paying
rent for so many years. Thev were wit required to pay Ao
touch down as in ordinary huililing Societies It hail been
5tk.:14.1,d that S.lOO would be the asst of. pair of cottages
here, but if in the neighlsturiessl of London a good
44.4x-roolool hodsn e 4444141 huilt and add for about .1:170
he thought in horeheder the cost ought not to he above
Sim. Ile found that the house* built lw that company
were let a fix...mowed liou-e. rest, rate., dad
taxes, at Zo. A. a week ; a -roomed 44144, It : right.
reined .die, ss, sugge.h-1 wh.dher it wa,u,,,ible to
a Lraneli ofthia LS,n-liester. If they all
combined he thought it might ho done. rhi, company
Pact 4t per cent, to aharehohlerx, awl he believed there wee
plenty of money invested in the town awl neighbourhood
producing a less return which might he applied to such •
I urpose.
Mr. U4VELAUI explained that the. houses on the Shaftes-
wry essaus are built in blocks, awl therefore cost less than
where they were erected in pails as the Duchy required.
Mr. WARREN A 4,4144434 Mr. Miles'd proposition, and it
was carriwl unaistiounuly.
Many now left tic meeting, but some remained St hear
front an agent of the Liberator Ituillingwriety an .:Xplap-
atitam.4 its working ; and xlitatly alter ten the procouslihp
were brought to a doss.

ANNEAL LICENSING MESTING.
A tueeting of the County Licensing Committee took
, plass: at the Shin:hall, on Saturday last. There were
present —Mr. J. Floyer, M. P.. l!etiwty -Chairman of. the
Court oftua rter Sessious.Mr. 11. C. Loodden, Capt. Glyn.
' and Mr. 11 Llttlehales. with Mr. Pfooks, the (leek of the
Mem, The Chief 'onstable, Capt. Antayatt Brown, was also weevil-
The liudness was the confirmation id liven...K. There
Wat one it collie before diet 'mart -a new license "for
the rale of intosieating liquors " granted to 11 it,.
Shepherd, of Clanvillit's Wootton by the Cerne tomtit's& The clerk of the Pam: 'induced the Bernie, mid a memorial I.y Mr. .1. Wareham azainst its being granted • hielt was tin...rifted at Petty Session,.
Thomas (Winds., proved the publication of the notice,
and prislueel • ropy id the Triegrai• .fltaining It.
eionMfirnsififrio.A.n ofof tfee>hlicel"nseuth., anairre'saidi in
'uti.rie'rtforeof ate: Cerne Bench there was the fullest investigation. Lord
Migby was iii th. chair, and the four magistrates present

were interested in the property in the neighbourhood, and
the welfare of the inhabitants. A uiemonal was presented
against the license by a publicists of the neighbourhoml,,
In consequence of that, the case Isar fully inquired into,
after which the license was unanimously granted. We all
had our little peculiarities and notions, some holding
something like Gast Templar principles ; hut he was glad
to say majorities nileil. Ile wished he bad seen their
new roles earlier, which required ,mposing parties to enter
into A 4:ffti recognixame for coffe, 1111 that would have
saved him and them trouble. Ile felt sure it would lie a
pleasure to the committee to confirm the decision their
brother magistrates arrived at after full inquiry aided by
local knowledge. Overruling the decision of the local
Bench would he a proceeding altogether novel, for such a
thing had not happened at • single licensing meeting
throughout the country. It would he exercising the
functions oi a court of appeal against their brother
magistrates.
! Mr. Glyn (who waa not on the Cerise Bench when the
, license was granted) referred to the opposition nueutoriaL
; Mr. Howard urged it was not properly before the cons-
, mittee, as Mr. Wareham was not there, and he (Mr.
Howard) had not received notice of it.
IMr. Glyn considered the committee might refer to it.
The Chairman held that they could grant or refuse con-
firmations on facts within their knowledge or information
communicated to them.
Mr. Howard thought that • monstrous doctrine, contrary
to the spirit of English law, and ix t i JJJ ical to the liberty of
the people. Adopting that principle, persons might write
private letters to magistrates on which they might act
without his having any opportunity of confuting the
allegations made. That would be the assassin's stab in the
dark.
The Chairman said that was an hypothetical ease. The
memorial hating been before Petty Sessions, he thought
it within the purview of the committee.
inanhhllarrgb..oiltatii,n:ii..tie3rdhalgenhesoalracqsaimt:ditrii7int lianthsheoduill'7'encdr the as "trumpery,"
moPef 7.11.,e"
Mr. Howard said no, people signed papers of that sort
just because they were tusked. He SW glad the Press
, were present, for the course taken by the committee was
altogether novel.
Mr. Littlehalos said they were not afraid of the Press.
Mr. Howard said nor was he ; lie wished his words on
the subject of the new principle imported into this case
were made known throughout the length and breadth of
! the land. He contended there was no legal opposition to
I the confirmation.
The Court was cleared for half-an-hour while the com-
mittee considered the matter.
On resuming, the Chairman said the committee were
satisfied the memorial was properly before them, for it
came through the proper officer of Petty Sessions to the
proper officer of that court. The memorial stated the
objection of parties to the granting of • license, it was
before the magistrates in Petty Sessions, and therefore
the committee considered that sufficient notice (not that
It required any) for the applicant to know it would be
opposed before the court on the present occasion. Under
those circumstances the court were ready to hear any
evidence or any further statement Mr. Howard might like
to offer to meet the allegation on the part of the pariah
that one spirit house was sufficient for it.
Mr. Howard said that was springing a mine upon him.
Glanville's Wootton was so many miles away, and he bad
had no notice of objection as their rules, therefore to get :
people there at a minute's notice was impossible. If the
case was adjourned be would do what he could. He had
heard out of court that one particular magistrate was in
London when the Cerise Bench granted the license, but
that he should say if he had been there it should not have
been granted, and be would take care it was not
confirmed

wii;;Tfairman : That may not be true.
Mr. Howard: But if you take out-of-door evidence on
one side, you must on the other; and I must say to-day
It looks very like as if it were true.
The Chairman: Your objection is that the rules requir-
ing notice of opposition have not been coupled with.
Mr. Howard: Yes, Not 5,6, and 11.
Mr. Littlehales : But we don't act on them.
Mr. Howard: I don't know what you are acting upon ;
I should like to know.
The Clerk of the Peace said the rules referred to were
not actually In force, though they had been confirmed by
the Court,

blr. Howard said he had had a copy sent to him for his
guidance.
Mr. Goodden said that he was in favour of the confir-
mation because there was no opposition, and even no
notice of opposition given in accordance with the rules.
The Chairman thought they could not repudiate the
rules they had laid down, although they were not
technically in force at present
The committee again consulted, and finally, on the
ground that notice of objection had not been given, the
court continued the license, without expressing any
opinion on the merit.; of the came.

'1
COUNTY Asti-rm.—The familiar and suitable custom of
' a Harvest Thanksgiving Service was carried out at the
above Institution on Wednesday last. The service was
performed by the Chaplain, the Medical Superintendent
reading the lessons, and the sermon was preached by the
Rev. It. It. Weston, Head Master of the County School,
a most appropriate and truly Gospel discourse, dwelling
briefly on the virtues of Gratitude and Thankfulness to
Almighty God not only for all his manifold and varied
temporal mercies, hut most especially for His great gift of
His only Son Jesus Christ. The congregation was larger
than usual, and the whole of the service seemed to be
thoroughly enjoyed. The musical portion was joyful and
hearty, and as the voices of the School Boys who MOTO
present, mingled with the more sedate part of the con-
gregation, the sounds of praise and glory ascended up in
pltssim.; and happy harmony.