The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-07-05 00:00:00

THE STOURBRIDGE OBSERVER.

an Andrei= neasillapvegnel. which wee invoked on the
10th of :an% 1814. There,. were saved. If a vessel had
arrived at Meantime In 1854 with a shipwrecked crew OD
board It would Yrs been the ditty of Ligred'e agent SO have
reported the grater to Lloyd's. It would also have been the
=the captain to have reported the stiterumetanoe to the
nee and the owners.
lfr. Robert Vining said that from 1854 to 1887 he wag a
memiset of the Ann of Hamra Tin ng aod Co, shipowners,
ol Liverpool. They were the managing owners of the &let
The was launched in Liverpool on the list or 22nd or
November, 1851, and was on her sixth voyage when she was
lost. All her voyages had been made to South America.
Captain Birkett had the command of her. He was an ex-
perienced and stwelly captain, In whom they bad great
oonfletence. He had been with them for soma years.
The ship sailed from Liverpool for filo on the
10th of February, 1854 Several of the crew had
also been In their getelce for years, two of them for seven
years. They had families The captain war a married man,
and had ono or two children. The Bells was built under
onstract for the Brazilian trade, and was copper-bottomed
and copper festered. When she left Liverpool she drew
from 149 to fifteen feet of water. She was fitted for
painingers. After she had discharged her cargo at Rio she
was chartered for New York. She left Rio on the soth of
April, 1864. She was insured for about £7,000, of which £4,000
was at Lloyds's. They heard of her loss from their &geese
at Rio. They made every inquiry respecting her but from
that time until the present year they never heard of the
captain or of any one of the crew having been saved. The
Insurance was paid as upon a total loss. After they were
aufliclemtly satisfied they pald the representatives of the cap-
tain aod crew the "segos due to them. Lilt or more was due
to the captain. Ha produced the receipts dated in January.
1866. The Insurance money was paid In September, 1854.
The underwriters raised no difdoulty. No claim whatever
bad been made upon the owners by any one professing to re
saved trem the Bello. When ouch a vessel foundered, it
was the duty of the captain to first look after the safety of
the passengers Hs would lake charge of the long boat
into which the passengers would get, and the mate would
take charge of the other boat. It wall incresfible that the
!Yellen-cold have 19 feet of 'ester in her without it having
been known to the captain long before she slot down. In a
well-regulated 'easel the pumps were sounded every morn-
ing and eve, log. She could not have made so much water
through her seams without a collision Never heard of such
a thing as a'l the nautical instrcus tents sod al the provisions
being put Into one boat when two were launched. His own
impression was that the Belle was caught by a &quell, sod
went down suddenly Having read the defendant's ac-

—lir— /Leesely objected.
The Lord Chief Jurtice : What more Is wanted? The
wlinrse hes wino his opluion what would he the proper and
natural course to pursue under turn circumstonow. If that
differs from the defendant's account. it I. for flu fury to
consider It. . . . . . .

WM then asked ei to what would hi the con-
duct of • captain who had picked up shfreweeeked paseen-
germ and seams at ma, and he stand Met the captain would
make adtnllnotlon between passeugen and 'Allan and the
Dugan or ninon would apply to the Board of Trade for
oompensation as to the sailors and to the passenger or hls
blends for hie passage money. Prior to NM the sum re-
tenable as to the gallon would be Is. ed. par bead per day. It
would he the duty of the captain of the iescnlng ship to
report the incident at the first port she called at in Hog-
land, on arrival in port, It would he reported at the Custom-
house, and so to any British port (Captain Hall ha. stated
that there wan a regulation to that effect at Melbourne
Moreover, it would be the duty of Lloyd's agouti to oroertain
and report such an incident In any British port
cromexaselnatton It wan elicited that the cargo, as well
ea the ship, wan insured. Asked It he knew that • beg of bis-
cuits and cask of water were found in the boat, he maid he
had heard it was In Loyd'. tint.; at all events, it woe stated
In a letter from hi agents tint it was so of the folly-boat,
which wu foundln a different latitude.
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The Lord Chief Justice observed that It bad stack him as
• curious lnoonidstency. The longboat was the boat meast,
and it was found bettom upwards. How, then, could • bag
of biscuits have been found in it
The witness doubted if the agents, could have written
"lolly -boat " The ship
,had only three hosts, • longboat,
• cutter, and • little boat. He should say the "Jolly-boat'
wee the longboat.
Mr. JuaUce Lash observed that Captain Oates had stated
that the longboat " had been brought on.
The Lord Chief Jaffa observed that he doubted whether
in the merchant service "jolly-boat." were known.
Mr. Hawkins pointed out that the agents only quitted •
newspaper paragraph.
The Lord Chief Justice observed that the boat said to
have been found with • cask of water in it could not have
been the smaller boat, for the defendant had stated that It
had no water.
The witnem wee asked whether the fact—easnming it lobe
so—that a boat we. found with a water cask in It wea rather
nalost his suppoMUon that the ship had gone down bodily.
The witness stated that he furolmsed lir. Hopkins with a
copy of the agent's letter in December, 1864 Asked whether
he was sure the lone boat had meat and all, he mid he would
not positively &war It, but the boat was pierced for • mast,
as to which he woe certain. Asked as to the sums paid to
the relatives of the deceased Bailors, he said some had not
been paid—no spoliation having ever been made on their
behalf, love, had been paid and twelve had not been
paid for that man.

Mr Kelley, partner of Mr. Vlnlng, confirmed his evidence.
He described the ship as "Rest clam," and strongly built,
and copper fastened. She had three boats—longboat, pin-
nace, and "tic," or captain's small boat. The longboat
was not orlgtnally fitted with mast and mill ; he did not
know tilt was so afterwards The pump., he said, would
be sounded morning and evening, and it would be unite
Impossible that 12 ft. of water should accumulate in the
hold without it being observed until all of a sadden.
The ship could hardly flAst with such a depth of water In
her; 1113 e would be "waterlogged," and quite mismanage-
able. Indeed, she could hardly keep afloat, and would be
In the very act of sinking Certainly she could not be long
In such a condition. The ceptaln's first course would be to
clear away the boats and lower them, and then provision
them, the Moen and men being divided, the captain in
one, the mate In the other, and the passenger with the cap-
tain_ They would not put all the provisions in one boat (as the
defendant bad described) He Dever, in all his experience,
heard of such an arrangement. Of course the boats would
keep toeethor as long as they could, but they might get
separated, and then if all the provisions were In one boat
the other would starve, lie had read the defendant's so-
°omit of the wreck

leiiesly objected.
Wnere was It read i—Tke witness could not say where be
Ned It. . .

The matter WU dropped.
Aaked es to his opinion of the wreck, the wittier said he
believed that the ship went down in a sudden squall, and
that the boat IMP forced from Its !adenines in the straggles
of the ship going down, the other articles found being such
SI were on deck.
In row-examination the witness stated that ships would
founder at Kea and go down suddenly, and that no rule
could be laid down no to what could be done to such caste,
a. it mast necessarily depend on the circumstances lie
was prered with the fact that several pieces of the v. asel'a
cabin bad been found floating, and a.ked whether that did
not show that the renal had been broken up ; and he said
he could not account for It, or say how soon. vessel would
break up after going down
. . . . . .

In aniwer to'the Lord Chief Justice, the witness stated
that II there was time to get boata out and put thing' on
board, there would be time to rg up a mast sad null,ln
It would certainly be done If poesible, as it would bee very
peat advantage to the crew.

Captain Reid, the commander of • mercantile vessel, the
Red Jacket, which in July, 18b4, was at Melbourne, wu
then called and examined. He had • diary and referred to
It, and round that he •rrlved there on the lath of July,
like, and that he remained there until the let of August,
when be sailed for England. (The eau for the defendant
has always been that, owing to the gold fever End the de-
sertion of sailors, ships could not be found for passage
heine.) Out of a crew of 137 only nix or levee deserted.
The gold mania had quite cubsided, and Melbourne was la
Its usual state ; the deurtions, in tact, were much to., than
usual. He curled Dowagers both out and home, and there
wonld have been no difficulty at all in • gentleman who had
been winched obtaining a pomade home. His vessel crag well
known, and wee to fut. noted In the port. While he was
there he heard of no shipwrecked crew brought into Mel-
bourne. Had such • crew been brought in, their arrival
would have been certainly reported it the Custom-house, and
would also have been reported at Lloyd's. The regulations
at the Easton, house as to reporting arrivals ware strictly
enforced, the pollee, on the arrival of all verreis boarding
them for that purpose. It would have been hapoulble
fern shipwrecked mew to be brought in without its being
known. . _

—I-ic;oes.exeroination the winner stated tad the ship wow
I favourite ship, and that he believed he was rather a pope.

-11-I—;assre'r to the ford Chief Jaztimi, the witness said that
If an application had been made to him by a shipwrecked
gentleman for a passage home there would hare been no
difficulty in managing ft, but no ouch application was
made.

Mr. Raintone, of the printed book department in the
British Museum, prod aced 77.4 Times of the 14th May, 1863,
containing three advertisements offering • reward for infor-
mation of Roger Charles Tichborne. One was In English,
another in French, and the third In Spanl.l3. The Spanish ad-
verilsementgave further information than the others by stat-
ing that Roger Charles Tichborne left Rio in the Baia. He
also produced copies of the Empire, published at Sydney,
from May to August, 1866, containing an advents:matt
that a handsome reward would be given for information
respecting Roger Charles Tlchborne, giving the date
when he left Rio in the Bella, and the report that he
was boat and part of the crew saved and taken to Melbourne.
It also give. • personal description of Roger and his position
In Ragland. Information to be given to Mr. Cabltt, Missing
Friends Office, Sydney. He was described as tall, with rather
light brown hair, and 22 years of age.
The Lord Chief Justice HI mother described him to Mr.
Cahn.* as having light brown hair, and that he wan 21 years
ol age. The latter wee decidedly wrong he mos& have been
26 years of age at that time.
Witness also produced copies of the Melbourne Argue.

Mr. H. 1). Cooper, in the employment of Messrs Glilow d.-
posed: I was in Melbourne from 1863 to 1867. I was
then engaged as a reporter on the Melbourne Argus
visited from April, 1854 down to 1867 the vessels that
arrived from England. As !OM as a vessel hove In
sight, I arranged for my crew to poll me alongside her,
to board her, and obtain all Imformatlcn possible for publi
cation in the Argus. Lista of everything In the harbour were
regularly published In the Argus. I have looked at the
ooples or the papers filed In the British Museum. A sohooner
caned the Osprey arrived at Geelong May 10, 1464
The court then again adjourned.

The Wel wae resumed on Taeadsy morning.
Mr. Whims, solicitor of Wagger Warm having been re-
called, the Lord Chief Justice put several questions with •
view to mcertaln the exact Mins when the defendant Mit
mentioned to him that he was Mr Roger Charles Tiehoorne.
After wither had also replied to questions from Mr. Kenealp
sod Mr Hawkins.

Mr. Henry Mitchell, chief cashier at Messrs. Glynn, the
hankers, proriumd the ledgers of 1853 and 1864 containing the
account of Rorer Charier Tichborne. It was opened on
February SI, 1863. Mr. Ticbborne was Introdaced by kr.
Slaughter. The wither she prodnaed the signature book,
Iron, which It appeared that be signed Ida name K. C.
Tichborue.'

The Lard Chief hallos pointed out that there we. ere-
Markable peenllarlty In the " C.," which ran through all
Roger's denatures.

Mr. Mitchell said that at the close of 1854 there waa a
balance remaining to the account of E. 198. There was no
record of any cheque of Roger Tichborne's drawn during
July, 1854, for £l5, or any other sum between that and fps.
(The defendant said he gave the captain of the Osprey a
cheque In that month.) if It had been presented It weuld
doubtless have been paid. There would have been a refer.
sem to see whether the account we. overdrawn, and if It
was the cheque would have been referred to the principles
of the Bank. If the cheque had been presented ad not
honoured, It would have been mentio Ind in a memorandum
book. There was no trace of any such cheque at the hank,
nor did he ever hear of one being sent to Roger's relatives
In Hampshire. for. verification.
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Crossexamlned : The memorandilm book In which the
Onto would appear ham been destroyed. Thom books were
destroyed every ten years. Roger's account was closed in
lebrnary, 1866, and kla evecutor's account opened in
August following.
Mr. Street, chief Clerk In the lodger department at Cur's,
army agents, said that Roger's account with them commenoed
on the 986 of August, 1849 and continued until the 12th of
April, 1853 The witness, gave particulars with regard to
different entries.

Lady 'fadeline recalled: My mother was 111, and • fort-
night or three weeks before her death she was aware that
her end was rapidly approaching, when she was examined.

Cross-examined The defendant's counsel were tumble to
examine her when first they went down, because her
medical men mali she was better, and quiet was her only
chance of recovery. When she was examined she knew
she had not long to live—that there was no chenoe of her
recovery. Three medical men were in the home at the
time.

Re-exualned : It was lady Doughty's wish that Ms
examination should be taken. She had received extreme
unction at the time, End was eoesdock of her approaching
and.

Alfred Brand, who wee formerly gamekeeper to Mr E.
ward Doughty and PM James Danboro, for nineteen eau
wee the next withal& Knew Roger Charles Tiebb,r,e
peeteekly well buen 1847, and whenever he Mined TM.

borne maw him trsqueetly down to the thee of heidgei
away. His chief utudentent was mut/sing will, •
which entities seeliesd him. He was Mad of rb°k db""l4
leldy Henry Tlehbonie gave him his flaS gun. Met
death M was sold at a sale. Croats, alm
bought It, and IS ultimately got into the hatarrilifle
Dowager. Con, of Wincheriber, was the maker. WOMB
remembaud that on one mond= some rooks Me lager
had shot fell over • paling. Mr. Roger climbed over
to get them and fell among the stinging nettle.. Mr. Roger
pulled up his Wet sleeves so rub the stings with dock leaves,
and the wituees saw some blue marks—tattoo marks in blue
Ink, on the left arm ; but what they were he was not able to
gay. Roger was always careless with his gun. Willie.. knew
Bill Meuhridge, who had been out with him and Mr. Beeler
ehootleg. Roger eould not pronounce witateeds name, but
always said "Reread." Witness had charge of Mr. Roger's
dogs, Spring and Pleeenst, and ate, he left there was •mmall
account oWng, which wee settled by We. Gaefoull.
Eramlned as to further recollection, he had seen Roger
denote, sometime. with tenants and itervante He wed to
smoke • great desk and carried Kluft In hi* vasisloosi
postai. Witneu me more of him, perhaps, than any one
else there. He never shot at Coimore, where the 'bootleg
was let to Mr. Scott. Ile was not successful at nailing.
Wittiese thought he had naught more minnows with Ms
hands than trout with his rod. Witness had often wen hint
catch minnows with his hand. In the course of ductiblog
his personal appearance the wltnese said he recollected that
Roger'. ears were Joined to his cheek, and that there was
nothing peculiar abont his thumb. His hands were rather
bony, and his lep very this, without peculiarity. After
his departure the witness recollected the altivel of boxes
from South America, which he helped to unpack. The
withers went on to state that Sir James lichborne had
read to him a letter from Roger, dated at Rio, announcing
that he was corning home before long. That wee about
April, 1864, not long before the Belle we. lost. Sir James,
the wteneas said, eu very much grieved at his I.ll', lola
Lade Tichborne used to say she would give any one any.
thing who said they had seen Roger, and plenty of persons
use to come to her who said no. Sir Jamie told me, said
the ratites., that these people came to lake advantage of
Lady Tichborne, and that I eat to drive them away, and I
did semen; • time. After the di fuldant arrived in this
country, on the 1911. February, 1 67, witness received • letter
from the defendant, which ran theta :
"Idesr.lodge, Croydon, 19 1-87.
"It • long time Bawd since yoa the me, therefore I sup-
pose you have almost forgot me, but I should very much like
toe,, you wain ; therefore if you could And ilme to come to
Croydon I will pay your expennee.
"R. C. 110113010 e, Bart."
Witness sent an answer to this, of which he had kept no
copy. afterwards be had • leiter from Mr. liolmee, dated
in March, desiring to know when he could go to Croydon
to us Sir Moser Tlekberra ; and In consequence of thin the
winnow went there with John Moore, who had been Roger's
valet. There he maw Bogle, whom he had known ever
since he was • boy, and Bogle saU he was In ; but the
Dowager, who wa• *guiding at the window, saw me,
said the witness, and then Bogle, who had gone in to say
who I was, came back and said he was not In. I said I had
come a long way to see Wm, and would not go back with-
out seeing hlm. I went about the town Imelda,' about, and
them I saw Carter, who had been in Rogieg service In the
army, and wee then in the service of the defendant. I had
• oonversaMon with Carter, and I walked about and nut
Bogle, and went bank to the house and meat In. I saw the
Dowager. I was shown Into • room, where I stayed a short
time, and then • gentleman came In (looking ,at the de-
fendant), and 1 rose up and bowed, and he said, ' You don's
recognise me as Sir lOgee ?" and I said "No, that I
don's." Then he said, "What will you have to drink rand
we had some porter together, and we had • long talk about
Tichborne mature dogs and guns, and what had become of
them, and at on. Some Ps could tell me about, and some he
could not. Be *eked what had become of "Spring," "Pie.
crust," and' Bea.," and I said they were gone to Mr. Hoeg
ford it. Ele asked me U I remembered his riding up the Perk,
and I said I remembered Roger riding ; and he salted litre.
weathered the poor running away. I said, "I remember it
running away with Roger, but not with you" He asked the
name of the pieny, and I said, "If he ran away with you, why
eon should know batter than I can. Then be went out, and
came back and said her name was "Louisa," which we,
right. He spoke of • gun, given him, he said, by Sir Edward
D .ughty (who never had • gun In his life), hat which had
been riven to Roger by Lady Henry Tlchberne.
The Wine, was further examined, and he went on to say
he saw the defendant day after day at the trial for sin weeks,
and heard part of his cromdizamlnatlon. He saw him day hy
day, and saw a good deal of him.
Now, tell =Oa that Sir Roger Tichborue I—Decidedly not.
Mr. lienealy, In crow examinatioe, elicited that witness
had been In the ponce. ','.'hen did you see Roger tun up his
thieves 771.11.1843. _ _ .

--lio;.dld-1;-;orne to do so/-11•osase be wav stung by
nettle*.

-7Woof year 7-1 believe It war Is 1848, but I cannot swear.
h4d been on the estate since April, 1847.
What time of the year was when the rooks were
"flush," or flying. I thli.k it was In May or June. 1 think
It was In 1848. I can't say whether it as before or after he
came of age. Ile was shooting lie picked up rooks he had
shot. He was etung, and be drew rip tie doer., midi had •
good view of the halloo masks
Did >ou not say that the upper part ef hie face wet like Sir
James 7—Ne ; I udeht have said in was like Allred.
Did he answer some questions rightly 7—Yes, be did.
How do you know Sir Haney gave Roger the gun 7—Roger
Tichborne told me so.
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You said at 16.. •Holmee's you'd nese him before
you d swear he was SW Roger Ticabornet "—I believe I
did.

The witness having been asked If he had not been promised
money by Mr. Bowser, WM then taxed with a letter of We,
dated February, 18437, in then

n Mr. Bowker has promised to pay me what Is dtte to ma.
There hen been • great deal of talk about the Tlchborne
afar. I was at lint quite °attain it was Ellr Itsger. I bad
heard from Sir Roger last Wednesday.-
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Mr Yenealy : Now, Sly, what did you mein by uying that
Mr. Boeher had promised you nothing
The Lord Chief Justice : What a. you mean, Sir, by sue.
gutting that he had done so? There is no foundation for the
suggestion in the letter. and you have not even asked the
question what the money erns to be pald fdr
The witness, being asked, said it MY for wages du* to hint
from Sir Alfred..

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The Lord Cnief Justioe said it was a most unwarrantable
Imputation to cut upon a professional man without the least
foundation.

Mr Kenealy : Haw could I know that there was none? •
The Lord Chief Justice: You ought to have known. Sir,
before you suggested it.
Mr. Kenealy : How could I know it
The Lord Chief Justice By asking the question, Sir. The
character of &professional man Is not to be traduced in this
way without the lomat pronoun* or foundation for It.
Mr. Moonily : I must exercise my own judgment, my Lord.
The Lord Chief Juitioe : Aud I shall exercise mine In re-
buking counsel when they abuse their privilege.
Mr. K °cooly You rny rebuke. my Lord: but I must do
my duty to my client.
The Lord Chief Jubilee : You have no right, Si?, to make
Imputations without foundation.
Mr. Kenealy My Lord, I say there was foundation foe
It In thia Ist•er.
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The lord ("der Justine : On the contrary, the letter shows
that there war none.

Kenealy The letter says Mr. Bowker had promised
to pay him money due to him.
The Lord Chia Justice : Money already due to him, not
money promised to him on alcount of this case.
Mr. K tamely There is an allusion to the Itchborne case.
The Lori Chief Justice After the reference to the money
due, there was no foundation for the imputation.
Mr. Kenealy : I must do my duty to my client, my Lord,
and 'Minot be put down by you.
The Lord Chief Justice —But you do not dolt by throwing
imputations without foundation.
Mr. [(enmity.— I say there was a foundation for them.
The Lord Cala JoAtice.—And I say there was none, hut
pursue your cross-examination.
Mr. Kenealy asked what money 111.1 due to the witness,
and he said it was for wastes due from Mr Alfred, who had
only died in 1366 (this letter was In February, 1867), and
Mr Bowler had the manageormt of his affairs. It was
further alicired from the wttness that he had received about
£4O for his expenses and his wife's, for six weeks' attendance
at tile lest trial, at 16s, a day and travelling expanses.
The Lord Chief Instils' said the Master (Cockburn) had
calculated that six weeks' attendance of two persons at 154.
a day would come to about £3l He also pointed out that
the Ifittor wee written only about a year after Sir Alfred's
death, and before the litigation had begun.
The witness was pressed a good deal in croisiexamination
am So whether he had Cot been in the cottage mentioned by
the defendant in 1863, bat he believed not ; and in re-exa-
minatioa he swore that he was not there in Roger's time,
and that he saw the tattoo marks the year after Mr. Roger
left Stonyhurst—that 1., In 1849.

The witness, rs whist- lon, sald he never BIMz.
B.er M Tiohborne after June, 1864_
The Lord Chief Justice You my In your letter you tboneht
at first it was Sir Roger. Was that before you had men him?
—I believe It was. I bad heard a good deal of talk as to It.
bt'a

—You had not goad him than?—No ;Ii waa from what I
heard said.
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—ilrJuS-ilce Lush : Had you seen him before you went to
Croydon t—No. (That, as the learned Jadge pointed out,
was In March, whereas the letter we. in Yebrriary.)
Mr. Justice Mellor.—You Icy that on the occsalon to
which you have alluded ?dr. Roger fell emoag the nettle',
and they stun hi. arm L—Yes, and he rubbed It with dock
leaves to stop the stinging, and I saw the marks.
Dl4 you observe the defendants voice 1-oh, ye..
Was list all like Mr. Roger'sl—No, not at all.
The court then adjourned.

The further hearing of the case was resumed on
Wednesday morning—the fiftieth day of the trial.
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Mr. James Bowlter,-who bocame solicitor to Lady James
Tichborne In 1864, was called, and gave a lengthened ex-
planation of hie busineu transactions with her ladyship, In
connection with the question St lane.

Miss Mary Hales, of Canterbury, deposed : lip father la
deal. Sty mother is alive, but very 11l and infirm, and
unable to give evidence In a court of puttee. There is a
Roman Catholic chapel attached to our house at Canterbury.
The Raman Catholic soldiers stationed there attended the
chapel I always attended the services. I don't remember
In 1052. gentleman named llchborno. I never spoke to him
to my recollection—or my mother. In fact I never saw him.
I had not an aunt living with me in 1852 I had a great
aunt at that time. Lady Hayes, living In 'London Roger
Tlchborne was never with motor an hour In the presence of
my mother.
Cram-examined : I have no recollection of 1852, or of any
particular regiment of soldiers being in Canterbury that
year. All Roman Catholic soldiers stationed there at that
time would have attended the chapel.

Mr. Thomas Wm Prickman, of Exeter, deposed: In PM
I carried on business u a general dealer, dtc.. M Sandrldge,
near Melbourne. It was part of my Undone to board any
vessel that came into the harbour. I remember a three.
muted rowel called the Osprey. She wee, Colonial coaster.
I heard she wee afterwards wrecked. I dld not hear In July,
IBE4, of any shipwreck.d sailors from the Osprey ooming
Into Melbourne. It there bad I muse hare hunt of U.

Lady Dormer: 1 arrived in London the day before yester-
day from Algiers. I am the aided daughter of the late 81r
Joseph Henry Tichborne, I Bret became acquainted with
Roger Tichborne In 1848 in Boulogne. His father left him
with me fore few day. *Milt he came to England. Roger
spoke in French, became he said he could express himself
so much better in French than In English. I thought it ridi-
culous that! should do so, and we agreed that I should speak
English and that he should snewer in French. I introduoed him
to Mir. Guildford Onalow late one evening walking on the pier.
Roger left the next day. I and Lord Dormer left Boulogne In
and went to Upton in August. I lived there • year and •
half or two years. In the autumn of 1848 Roger stayed with
no at Upton two or three times. I next saw him in London
in 1861. Ile dined with no once or twice in Chapel.
etreet, Grosvenor-square. After dinner, my son, the
present Lord Drrmer, and Roger went out to go to the
theatre. My husband remarked, "Those young fellows are
gone out larking." I recollect seeing him once at my mother's
In 18M. I have no distinct remembrance when I laat saw
him, but Shave • perfect recollection of lit, personal appear-
ance and voice. (Witness described Roger In tenni similar
to the former witnemes.) lam certain be had no peculiarity
about the thumb.

Do you remember anything as to his arm 1-0 h yes,
Ido perfectly. He was very much tattooed on the left arm,
with the Initials "11, C T." and a cross and • heart, I do not
recollect the anchors. He showed them to me casually at first
I expressed my delight to see them. and after•ards, when I
least expected he need to say, "Riles," pull up his 8106•0
arid anow them to me, by way of teasing me. He wore loose
coat sleeves. We wore on the best of terms, and If Boger
had come to London I sin es:organ he would have written to
me or come to me. The defendant Ims not • single feature
or • look like that of Roger in any way. I never saw any•
thing more unlike. I repeatedly spoke of the tattoo marks
until I was aiivlsed not to do so, for fear it might get to the
defendant's knowledge, and be might Imitate them.
Mr. Honesty objected to the latter answer, the Ilestlon
that produ.ad it being irregular.
Crons-examlned : I saw Boger perhaps twisty times in all.
He made no secret of the marks, nor did I to any en* I spoke
about them. Roger MN& great favourite with all We family.
I hated to gee the marks, and I never cared to look at them
I think the Initial, were sear the wrist, and the heart and
crow above. _ _

: Before the defendant landed In Eogland I
spoke of the tattoo mane, and I said he moat bee bokl man
to appear without them.
By the Lord Chief Justice At the lime of her marriage
lady Tichbasna was • very beautiful penes. abs was very

thin, and got Mower to WM' seam Boreurrel.mbl•
mother; be via hot la the lemt Ulm Me or the

iorru—e—s.
By the Jury: The marks were blue colour. I can't my
that thelnithils were done Mei skilfully than the emblem. I
disliked to look st them.
Al ter some other evidence had been given In cce.
nomiou with the Titania and Osprey, the Court agahi
adjourned.