The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-06-21 00:00:00

THE STOMMIDGE 013 SERVER.

Tlehborue was a simple minded, good lad. I think he was a
person whom people would have been glad to welcome back
—I should. certainly. In 1a,7 I saw rumours In a paper
that he had returned to England In the beginning or middle
of hi irch I met Ilr. alines I meet Major Stillman, casualb.
in Tr .falgaraquare. Ile asked me if I had 11.4 heard
that Tichborne had come back. I afterwards saw Mr.
Holm*. hi consequence, Major Stillman having Promised
to Introduce me to him I met Mr tfulmea • sew days
afterwards with Major Stillman, and he took the rilwr-
trinity of introdWing him. We had a conversation on the
snhj of. I said I should he only too glad to do anytning I
o uhl for Th.hborne, if he had returned. Mr Holmes said
he would menti.di the matter to the gentlemauu he called
Sir It gor Tichborne ani that he wooll call on me at tee
Army and Navy Club. Ile dld not call there, and left a card
r Tile. I was not there at the time. Afterwards I saw Mr.
11,Imes again, and In consequence of that second conversa-
tion I got an Invitation to go dims to Croyden. Sir Holmes
Bahl he was a goad deal altered, and he hoped that I should
not owlc to any sudden conclusion. I add, "twill examine
hirn cart fully, and give my opini.m." I went to Esker L ,dge
aid had on Interview arbh Vie defendant, al.l after a tons
cqnversation with him I arrived at the conclasion he was not
linger Tichborne.

Fly Mr. Justice Lush: I Ist t the defendant without slid, g
him any Intimation what opinion I hot 'twined. I left with
the strong opinion I have expressed to day—that he Is not
Tic:, tom,

Aletan ler Cummings: I am stableman in the employ ot
ble•are. Fawcett, tea dealers, Dublin. I joined the Carahl-
peers In 18441, and left In 1871 I knew R..ger Charles rich-
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Th-e ;:cteldstit is 0-01 Roger Tichbori

By a Juryman : Roger Tichborne did 110 t Bet D.ptaip
Polhlll-ri roer right or wrorg. lam quite certain he MR
not elver the word of common.
DI I vou ever hesr a junior officer rive the word of con,
mend and he would at be thanked for lilt he did.
(Laughter).
Mr. Thomas Samuel Richardson : I am a v( terinary sur-
geon of clontml. 1 remember the Carabiosers being there
in 1851. I knew s roe 1 the officers knew Mr. 11,ger
1 letdown. from attene in; to hie horses. T saw the defendant
In 1871 Ile Is not the Itcrger Tichborne I knew
Cross.examir ed : Ile was a thin, eallow-ommlesioned man,
with dark brown hair.

Lord St. Lawrence was the next wane.. Ile is son of
Lord forth, at wh se castle H,gar I lehborne used to visit.
Howth Castle is nine miles fvom Dublin by the road, anti six
miles across the bay. Its situation is remarkable, seated on
• proniont.,ry forming one side of Dublin hay. ( rho de-
fendant had amid it ors two mike front Dublin, awl could
give no other description if it.) Roger %Mt a very distant
connexion if his featly, anti he saw Min while his regiment
was In Dablin. In April, 1069, he w. in Lou ion, in Si.
James's-place, and remembered a card being sent up with the
mime of Air H. Tlchborne. Understanding I, was the claimant,
he desired that he should ho shown up. CIA his entering he
elected a cordial greeting, by coming up smiling and hold-
ing out it, hand. I bowed to him, said Lord St. Lawrence,
ant proceeded to put ti hint a series of rapid questions. I
adred hies how far Rooth thutte was from Dublin. He an-
swered•vastrell. as he did oil through, wet I do not re-
member his auswe.. I ask. ii him as to the distance, and
his repty was of that evasive nature which c ,uveys no to-
formation Ms answer might or might not be erred, it
was zu evasive. My questions were conlinid to distance and
location, and I aak,il him especially it he remembered
walkint: from Dublin to Howth His reply WM evasive,
and I don't remember what it was. There was nothing in
his manner or appearance which reminded me of Roger
Tichh,rne. _

Mr. Kenealy in cross examination: Qs was more than Ave
Minutes with me; not much more.

Had )ou made up your mind a6alast, him 1--I was preju-
diced aunt oat him.
11 ld )oti epoketi of Mu i as an Impater t—Naturally.
Your relations had spoken to you about him f—Yos.
T,ney had spoken of him as an Imposter P—Tney had.

Naturally, therefore, you were prejudiced against htm ?
I lint I saw at once that he was rot the aame figure as
/laser 11,11norue.

Witness went on to say he had not had a good character of
the claimant, and had tome one present to observe what
passed at the interekw in case he should afterwards misre-
present it.
Did you ask him any other uneatlons than about Dowth
Castle I had nothing else to ask him aly ut.
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What did you sek him as to distance t—lssaktid Mm whether
the Cu' I. was not two milts from Dublin.

Di 1 you hot think that rather oiskonumahle to suggest
that It was tqo milts when you knew it to be hiue t—Well. I
dld not MLA it was dlahonourable, or I should oat hove done
80.
Whet did he answer?—! tell you it was evative ; but I
cannot recollect exactly. Ile did not contradict me uto ilia-
tame.

What did you ask him I—i asked him whether he lumen,
bered walking Irons llowth te DuNiu with me, not above
two miles.

you not only suggested to him. false distance,
but a false fact ?-I".m ma) call it so, but Ido Oct. I anew
that if ha was to man he pretended to be he would
kn.ow the real distance... .

ll.d Roor aver walk that walk with you ?—N/or.

!am-1-t—togritur untrue, then/—lt

" Was It 11; trap ?"—es
.

Wes it not the suggeatto falai I—the suggestion of • f
die-
bootit—No, it was not.
Toe LorVenief Justice: Vu only call It a "trap," but I
see nothing wrong in it at al If you bane • suspicion that
isgO,Sll legality f invot curt fa'seln.o.l, there Is no harm in
prutlue a oue.tiou sends toth..w it.
tir Ir•anart: Oh, Ill) lord, I t onk that It Is wrong In any
woe to auggelt • Ile.
Tile Lor, slyer Justice: It is not a "tie," and that la •
very elf,nst vu nod unwarrantable Imputation to make upon
the witne:s

Mr. Kev•ta,y : What dld the deftnkhnt answer to your
questhJui—lle al swtred to the rdeet that he had walked
With we that it stance... _

Did he answer more than one question
What all. re they ?-1 emit re,liect. 1 put them d an;
but my de,k was tJless.
When Le had beau with you a ew minutes, eld you rise,
were vur hand, and say. I don't know )our-I",s.
A. ti to titan& s tam 7—Ves. _

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DII yon havJ a cmyrrsation with one pre.ton whit refer-
ence to the defendant and sty, " By G , he's the MAU."
Lord St. Lawrence (with sarnriee).—No !
YOU deny that.l—Mest certainly.
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in reexemlnation Lord St LiWTODCI3 said he htd bcen
anatocx not to tee the claimant, and had only seen him at
the request el Mr. 0 islow. Ile had never taken any part
acaluat him at all, and took no ihterest in the case. the
questions he put to him were only to test hi ii, and If he had
'wen the man he protested to be he would have knoan the
truth.

--lhe Lord Chief Jattleet Did you me much of Roger ?—No ;
I we a good deal away Iron flowth when he was there.
. . . .

Tae defendant said in his evidence you and Roger were
were good friendr.H,o we were. bat not inymate.
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essald he went to How th to see you msy have done
80, taut I was not there
Mr. HAWN at kid ylu to see the defendant f —Yes.
Then, It Is not true, as the defendant stated, that you
asked him to a.tit tLe defendant to come and see you t—No,
It la not.

The next witness was a Mr. Hallam. who had been present
at the interview tetdveen Lord In. Lawrence and the de.
fendant, which he described.
The next witness was one of the "old inhabitants " of Tick.
bane. Ile was an aged !shouter named Rtheridv, who had
lived there, he said, 71 years. lie rememb,red R 'ger Twit-
borne, he raid, weP, and if he should s.e him again he
should know him. He often used to see Roger, whose dog
°tee chwed a favourite cat of his, -rid witness hit the dog
with his esti and stopped and Roger complained to t iru
of his sti iivng hie dog. (the defendant's version of this
was that he hail kilted the cat with his whip, and that the
man ran stir him with his flail) "1 should know him
again," amid the witness, " If I was to see him; butt have never
seen him since he wee then at Tichborne. I have never
ii•en him since " A few years ago on the road from Tichhorne
to Alresford, I met a big, St •ut man, who asked me the way
to Tichhorne, an I pointed to the church. He asked me
who was the clerk there, and I tohrtim Ile asked me rep
name, and I told him Ile gave me some money to chink,
and on my return I inet hires again, and bespoke to me and
he said, "There's a good deal of talk abut Sir Roger 'rich-
la dile coining back." "Uh, • IIM). I, 'ball never c dna
tat.' Ile said," You don't tbit.k I aro he, then'"' Ni,"
says I, "I'm if you arc."
MIDI the defendant had denied In his cream examination.)
Now, look at the defendant, do you see htm I—Oh, yes.
Is he Roger Tichbnrnet-011, no.

George Page : I am a horse liresker, living In Hampshire.
I was a groom to Colonel Greenwood. I knew Roger MA-
borne. The defendant Is no more Roger Tichborne than I
am.

Cron-exemlned : I don't know how old Roar was when I
knew him. I never looked Into hi. mouth. (Laughter.)
The Court then again adjourned.

The trial was resumed on Tuesday morning, when the first
witness called was Mr. Henry Hanby Seymour. He told he
was barn in IS2O and was the son of the late Mr. William
Semomr. the Dorager Lady Tichborne was his half.
sister, her mother toeing a Yreech lady. He was present at
her marriage to Mr. James Tiehborne in 1827, when there
was a marriage settlement. They resided in Paris until
18.53, when Sir Edward Doughty died. He remembered
Roger as a ciii, out he had not a distinct recollection of
him until 1839 or 1840 In Paris he used to walk out with
him and Coatillon. Saw him agaio in Paris in 1847, when
he (witness) was on his way to the East, after he had taken
his degree at oxford. Ile strongly urged Mr. James Tact,
barne to let Roger enter the English army. Mr. Tichborne
wits anxious to do so, but his mother was against it Wit-
ness thought that as Roger was not well educated it
would be better for him to Join the army, and at
the request of Mr. James Tichborue he made some
arrange=isi with a view to raising money fur
Oho c •mmission, but he ha,l nothing tl do with obtaining
thee .mnalstion from the Horse Guards. Mr Seye,our was
examinld with respect to the pecimiary arrange= OM tinder
the marriage settlement of Mr. and Mrs Tichbor-e, dated
the list of July. 1827, which was produced, and Mrs. 'rich-
borne's mothers portion, which mime to tier and realtsad
450,100 francs (EH 090), and was ultimately invested In the
English Coll.'s, lir explain.' that the money for R,iger's
e enmliolon was obta!nect by the sale, with the Joint assent of
Mr. and Mr". Tiehborne, on the 28th of July, 1849, of £2,000
Of the. Consols, which yielded-shout £1,891. Mr. Seymour
also stated that in July, :851, he became joint trustee, with
Mr, Hopkins, tie solicitor, of another marriage settlement,
and its when Mr. Hopkins died he became sole
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truster,' as well m sole true' eel,' the Wince of Comet .
With respect ti Roger Tlchttorne, he mild he Asked
his father, Mr. Paym -fir, to LA him have the um
of his residence in Upper Grosvenor-street while he
was preparing for his elimination for the army, and
he consentel. He acc imperiled Roger end Colonel
Greenwood to nandhurst for his exemination, as he con-
alder. d It right that tome relation shonld vo with him on
that occaelon. In 1852 wit nets was returned for Poole. Inc
borough returned two memhers, but Hut was a sintle•
handed election. In 1852 there was a general algAlon when
he, a Liberal, and Mr. Frmikho, a C noorvative, were re•
turned. Ti, to nere aeveral candidates on that occasion,
and a severe c mte,t, but he never heard of Rogre Tichhome
heeling been • candidate then or at any other time. He
Wrote to It, ghr, who was 'Wit his regiment at Canterbury,
to come and help him at the election, and he did so.

To the L ,rd Chief Justice Roger seas h •lr to the Upton
property et Poole.

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EKandnetion continued : 'pt the elpetlnn In IESO and
1862, here was no election M Pool, before Roger went abroad
in 1853 BY the Act of 1867 one member waa taken away
from the botough, and at the next electloa he lost hie
mat

To the Lord Unlet Justice Sir Edward mehty aaa
Liherel, and if Roger had amen asked to become a reinitiate,
it la mild tribally have Neu in the Liberal inters/4. It 'ger
talwap a 'dressed the e diamas a." Heavy," and never prettied
to, word "uncle." Ile also ...Clod his brother " Alfgel,"
and never "uncle," end he addremed his stature in their
Christina names. He addressed his father alive; it as "Sir
8 Ink tie,' and net as' grand-fath. c.' Ito never signed hls
!e'er. to withers at "Your effectionato ree,ew '' Ile
R .ger ve. re members f rho alien: Ref re
gogez'e 111.al detartare 'r no E glend he came op to London
purposely to ree him, but missed him. Ile never saw
Rorer seen,. Did hot have nu, Matinees freanisetion with
him in St.Jemes'eplece, and It was untrue that before leer.
le at Roger ill him 1.300. or Idly money. R.mer when he left
was on the meet affectionate tea ma with him and every mem-
ber of the family, and he kept up Ids correepondence with
them until he went on honed the Della. Early In 18,7 he
heard that the Ms'endant had arrived in Ragland. Ora the
10th of Fehruary he received a letter from him begin
fling " Sly dear Uncle " saying he had been ihamefully treated
in Engine!, and that old not know who wore hie true
freho P. lb, also slid he was staying at Mr. 1101 kiwis, where
he %maid 1 e glad to see witness, and he reminded him of his
oece having been Invited to etend for Poole. It was signed,
" Your affectionate a ephe v, P. C. Tithnorne." He dill not re-
cogins.2 the handwriting mad the rharacter of the letter Ir,,
tO. ether differ, t Teem 'hope Roger wrote. lie alto received
tie° letters frorta Me. %Oink AnAA9p,,,..ent down to
th resfo, lie there met Mr ' /Mukha/sand the defendmat in
the rtreet. teatimes WM raccormanie I t,y mule. Hurd.,
who was formerly a serva,t of Sir Kriward D ughty. Mr.
Meekly.. ad messing the defendant, nail, .141 r It wee, this Is
Mr Henry Denhy Seymour." Witness raid to defendant,
' "If you ere Roger Tichnorne, you will know this gentle-
man " (pointing to Bunion). The defendant maid, "lily uncle
Nangle, I helleve ' Benton was about thirty-eis, Mr.
Nolen, was unwarale of seventy (laughter), and they were
not the least Mks each other.

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in reatt'anatton oqht.vlthnce. M. Seymour repeated
the ace dint he nave et the lest Wel ot whet enheeridently
peter] et Mr. lieptimit htdien, to which they adtvirned.
The (Intendant add he hal forgotten lila French. He and

Roger need generally So talk in that language. The defendant
otill he had been saved by the Osprey. He did not remain-
or Mr. Mandrevilie, who was at his fattier'. house to Paris
a ion it every lay; norktid he even know his father's hand-
writing. Dolor; the interview he could not recognise the
soiallest resemehmee in the defendant to Eager, and he
formed the opinion that he woe not Roger.
And what Is your conviction aunt—My conviction is that
hots not Roger Tiehhorne. Rehm not the least resemblanias
to him either morally or physically.
Mr. fiernour was then eia nixed as to what pasted between
hire and the Dowseer Wore the defendant arrived In
Eitglaud. She showed In the defendant's letters, and he
demonstrated very s•rougiy with her against atikuosiledeing
him as her son, and her answer was she was ready to swear to
him without ever having teen him. As he thought her de-
lusions were very string en the pAnt, he said, " All I
ad( Is, whatever you do, don't send him any money. if
he is Roger he will Ind his way house." Bhe refused to let
my ester see the letters Speaking of the letter in whir': the
defendant said, "Mey the blessed Maria have merry is your
teal," he said he did not bear thy smallest resemblance to abet
It i.:er would write, and she recite Oil, he has lived arming
its • Id-h. and that lathe way the I risheol says finish their let-
ters" (Laughter.) I never he aril that It iger had been victimised
In any card case. lie reet the contrel of Lady Tlchherne's
fends, and no money was raised to assist him out of anti
difficulty of that kind. Lady Tichhorne had only ElOO a year
of her own, and she could not anticipate it. If any money
was rain A, it must have been by his father. A telegram was
received from the defendant by Lady Tichborne asking for a
remittance of £5OO. . _ _

Crosaesamined by Mr Renee', : Re ollected Roger when
he was ahoy falling in the balusters in the house In the Rue
St. Honore, when he en. nearly killed, and was laid up for
some time. About the thee Roger entered the army he
dra-R a good ii. 81,4 wine. and pied., but wltne.s never saw
him tie w,no. for drinking. Roger as6isted him at the Poole
4,lection, and some elector might have said to Rover, We
hope, air, you will some day be ycurrelf a candidate for
Poole," bathe could not state that of hia own knowledge.
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The Lord Chief Jostles I think the defendant stated that
A deputation waited upon him asking him to stand.

Mr, Ken.ly Oh yes, my brd , but this la net a cue In
which my client Is to be judged mathematically.
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A discussion arose as the bad speillug in Roger's letters,
Mr. Rene.ly said he would he able to point out a great num-
ber of instances, observing that Roger was • bad speller:
ma L trd chief Justice remarked that that was a matter for
the Jury, lie had carefully noted all the lostances In the
letters, and could not admit that he wee what would be
called a bad speller. There were undoubtedly many in-
stances of bad spelling, but there were some lota faders in
which no mistakes at all occurn d. The chief point, how-
ever, wee whether the ruts-spellings in Roger's and the de-
fendant's letters were of the same character.

Cross-eromined After Wm. Bordon left Sir Edward
Doughty he entered the wren, of Sir. James Thihb arne, and
he believed he waited upon him and Roger in Panic Could
not say that he did not enter the latter's service until after
Roger left for gtonyburst Lady Tichisorne admitted, I,ok.
Ina to the defendant's lettsno, that it,ger's handwriting had
changed, asying site coll.t not see...milt for it She rave no
particular rea•on before she saw the defendant for believing
he was her son, but she insisted Upon ft that he was.

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At the conclusion of hi. cross-examinatfon Mr. M.ymour
said he never heard that Rorer hut • brown mark on hn,
side or • peculiarity in his thumb, or hat suff ore t from et.
Vltua's dance.

The next witness was Burden, who had been alluded to by
Mr. Seymour, and was present with him on the occasion of
hl. interview with the oefendant, and was mistaken by him
fur old Mr. Ranee. lie vrits born, he said, in 1928, so that
in 1887, when the interview took Place, he wa, 39 ye d's of
age. he had been, he said, a. a boy, with Sir E. D ,ughty,
and remembered Roger well. lu 1847 he entered into the
service of Mr. James Tichnorne,Roger'. father, and he used
to wait upon Roger whenever he was at home In England
and also in Paris. He remembered the farewell dinner of
Roger in Paris with his parents, the AbM Sal., d'Arant
and Chatllion. lie knew Roger wed, and saw him up to
1863, and remembered hiss perfealy, and deecribsd him
as very thin, "pigeon chested," with sloping shoulder..
fie remembered his face, he said, and was very much attached
to him.

Did he know you '—Most decidedly.
Witness went on to say that Roger at the time be took his
leave of his parents was in very bad health, apparently
alit mad with cough or asthma. (It will he remembered that
Colonel Blekerstaffe had stated that he was subject to severe
attacks of asthma and that the regimental d.)ctor told him
he could not live in Mats country and must go abroad Roger
hods mark on his chest, ab rut the slur of • Map oice, and he
'noticed it on this very night—the last night he nent in Paris
—for he had to apply a mnstard plaster to him, and saw it
thee. Asked as to the tattoo marks also, he saw them on
this very night, for he helped him to change his shirt and put
on Iris night shirt. He o• nod that he had not remembered
them at first, but he now had a perfect recollection of them,
which had been revived by his reading the , vidence on the
reinject, and he declared positively that he had often sem
them, and that he sow them or, that night
You have seen the hefendant 2—Yet
You hat.° seen him before 2—Yes; I saw him at A Iresford.
I sow him test in Mr. Holmes's office in Lombard-street. 1
saw • paragraph in the papers that Mr. Holmes had
Ineerted in January, lariT, to the client that l'or Roger
llehborne had arrived and had been ideutffied by his
mother. I went to the office and saw Mr. Holmes, who said
at once (I being to my uniform of a Custom-house officer),
" low do you do, Burden I have been to Paris and seer.
Lady Tichnorms, and hare heard all about yuti." I sated
tor Sir Roger's ad tress, and if I could have got it would
have gone some miles to see htm An appointment was
made, when I went to a a Hee-house and lit down with
Mr. Holmes and Mr. Let (a mercantile man who hod
made the defendant's act shrtance and gone with him and
Mr. Uoisnns to Paris). Sa•n this gehtleintn came ire(point-
big to the defendant) and rat do.. Mr. Holmes then said.
Now Barden, lonic and lee if there is any one you can
recognise." I said "I have paid partienlar attention to
every one who has entered this room, and there is no one
here whom I ran identify Or recognizr.- Wittier, went on
to give au account of the interview at Alresf.vd, and de-
scribed it in aiabs•ance ss Mr Seymour had done. When they
met, he said, "Mr. Hopkins anti " Sir Roger lichivirrie,
Mr. %moue" Then Mr. Se) wile asked bite if ha k, ew
witness, ''ane yeti (said witness, eiddreseing himself so
the defendant), you said No, 1 think it is nip Uncle
Nangle Mr. Naugle," call the witness, "Is an old
gentiemanbetween seventy and eighty years of age. ' Dee
scribing the cnnversation at the interview, the witness
cd,t—itie defendant when addressed in French could not
understand it, although he spoke its a broken sort of way as
a Frenchman wou,d, not with a French accent, nor ever
using • French word, hot (Imitating it) as though he was a
Frencionsii speaking Auglish. During the Interview I took
• letter out alley pocket and showed it to the defendant,
d asked hits,, . you know that writing," and he said
lie did nut. Mr. Hopkins said, "Good Gout ! Sir Roger, that
Is Sir limes Tichborne's writing ! Not Cooley). own rather's
writing?' 1 put the letter neck into nip pocket (said wit-
sires) and h.re it Is (producing it) Mr. Hopkins was very
angry wan me.

The Lora Chief .lastla? : Was any obje,tl JD male by him
to 'oar being present?

Witness: None at all to my being in the nfli:e. MY
110:.kins 1.14 to me, 'For Go sake, Burden, don't say any.
thing of this pa!nful scene, m) honour Is at stake."

with AI these opportunities of seeing and observing
the defendant, is he Itokp.r Tlchborne am parfeetly
certain be is Lot, and I, has To resemblarce to hins.

Cross examined, witiels said that Roger had arched eye-
brows, rather tbiek, hut he did not remember that his
father had. Ills father. he said, was rather corpulent,
about itt stone weight. and so was Mr Edward Doughty,
hot Mr. Robert I ichhorne WM WI and thin, though
he alttrwalds through an accident grow stout. They
were neither of them remarkably stmt. Premed as to
whether all three had not bushy eyebrows, he said he did
not think they had, lie said he never saw Roger move Ills
ey.-brows. His legs, he sad, were perfectly straidat. Asked
Ai to the tatto • marks, he said reading the evidence abut
them had revive! his recolle lion of them, and he had a
p•rfect recollection of them. Asked as to some supposed
statement as to a detective employed by the family to watch
" in Australia, he said he had mate no such state.
went, and knew nothing about Asked if Mr. Hopkins
had not objected to his I, lug it the private room when they
adjourned to lunch, he said that he had. Asked as to the
rotations put to the defendant at the intentor, witness
ne at lest said he would give no further anew.. with-
out ht. legal adviser (Mr. Dolma), and Mr Hopkins grew
very much excited, anti said that, by Go!, this matt wu Str
Roger.

N;;;e any one present when Mr. Hopkins said, "Ear God's
nee, Burden, don't say anything as to this painful matter r
—Mr. Seymour was behind us, and mvht, perhaps, have
heard It (lie had not been asked about it.) It was as we
wire going out.
Mr Justice Mellor: Can you tell wristlet were the tattoo
marks t—Tnere were the letters r C T, and then above
iln.m were some other marks I don't know what they
were

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The Lord Chief Justice You are sure about the RCT ?
Positive, my Lord.
What colour were they I—Ltke other tattoo marks ; I have
of ten seen them on seamen.
.

When did you first remember them ?—kt the last trial.
Whom did you first mention them to ?-11r. Alfred Sey-
mour

rho Foreman D, you remember any peculiarity about
Rocer's thumb ?—None, whatever.
Did you ever uotic i mark on the aide of Roger.—
Never. _

iiittre you ever seen hire undressed ?—Otte.
Did the defendant ssy to you, Take off your hut?'—
No.
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—The Lord Chief Justice I suppose you had taken your
hat dl 7—Yes

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A Juror 1)14 you ever see marks of bleeding on his arms?
—No ; I did not observe them.
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Ihe Lord Chief Judie° remarked that they might very
well not be °Nerved.

John R^ginald Francis George Talbot, examine 1 by Mr.
Ilawkin•: I Live at Road 11111, Lyme Regis, Dorset. Sly
mother Ives the lion. Lady Talbot, daughter of the Mut!'
Lord Arundel, and sister to Lady Doughty. I was acquainted
with Root Tichborne In August, 184. I met him at
Upton House. He was on a visit at Mr Doughty's, anti we
welts on a visit there (no. At that time he would be
about lour years old. 1 was two or three years older.
I met tlin afterwards In 1838. That again wee at Upton.
I think we were there three weeks on that occadon. I ltd
not are him ag tin till 1843, when 1 met him at II:he-an..
In 1818 1 SW hint in May, and in 1849 in May or June.
It would he in Armlet or September. We wire then com-
panion. for about live weeks During his vacation we used to
go out shooting together. I used to bathe with has. but not
so frequently thin as af reraarda I afterwards met..Roref
at Tiehborne in the following year, and again in 1848 and
1849. Those occasions I did not stay more tine, week or
ten days. We lut.hed together (reynently on theists visits,
where 20 tithes, apre.ling over the whole of that time. We
bathed in • pa-t of a mat, which is flooded from the river,
and wh•cli enters it afterwards. and th 4 hathlng- dace was
between the moot aLd the river. I knew Walter Strickland.
Hots bow des,. item. miler his being there with Roger
Tichbo-ne. I never raw • broseni in a-k upon the side of
Roger Tichborne.
hut you ever see upon hbi arm a mart or mark. i—Yes.
Was there any mark above tie ethos /—Tee.
What is that /—An Into mark.

Was the issue open when you sew it t—lt was the mark of
a 5,-ton. At the time I saw it in MS it was In the process of
healing. Tie mark was a liege Ted mark, running, nuty.
looking. I should think you could have put in a horse-bean.
/tocer never told me what It had been done for.
, you remember any mark besidest remember tattoo
mark,

}ott remember where they were never larked at
them very moth, but they appetred to be near the middle
Of the left arm.

ii remember whet thn marke were t—l have a mere
general recollection, hut I remember partico:aily a heart
and anchor, and something else Immeshing below. I tint
%w them In lewd. Worn I SAW thin aftvrwartie they ap-
peared to be larger.
The Loral Chlvt Jutlice.—What was It Vat yen noticed
afterwards?

Witsess • Thst tOere was something loner down.
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Esemlnatfon e,ntince.l.—Thero .ry;n,, peeeliarli eleset
eftbsr of his thuse`o t 1 recolle E. 1 first sass the flOsn4-
af,t In 1971 I have heard him tinder eranlinattoi, end Inv°
seen him In this coort hero a perfect ref:Alec:ion of Loges
Tfehberfis. rho defendant Is not Ronne Tlchhorne.
By the Lord Chief Joanne: Walter Strioklarors tether eras
serest friend of the family.
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Tbo Court again adjourned at t wenty-flve minutes pact four
o'clock.

The two rules for contempt of conrt granted last
week being returnable on Weinesday, the fortieth day
of the trial, they were procee led with before the evi-
dence was resumed.

The first ass ageing Mr. Alderman Csrter and Mr. Plinths,
proprietors of the Lee& Rooning Exprom; end on thtir
pert Mr H Matthews, Q.(7. (with hint Mr. W. A Lesley
offered an sploay evpreadee of regret tor having punlished
the letter of Mr. rbilldfor I lin•low, M.P., and also a Irailing
article commenting on the evidence, ii was explained that
the let'er was brought to the rdhce by Mr. Hoag, printer
herbalist In Melt., and was prthilshed not to interfere rata
the trial, bat to correct a rumour which prersiled In the
t WII is to Mr. oneuw having changed his mind respecting
the case of the defendant

The Attarney-(;enaral. sat 4 that having read the effl4avlts
he 1)14 nothing L.-Imq against their lordship's si,oepting the
nP,Pir,g7.

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The Lord fliirf Striate, remarked that it shoold he under-
stood Oat courxinpt f colirt eraa not couOved to Po'wail
diarespact for the Judges.

Mr. Matthews saladitat as seen as hhlslitente learned that
Vie publications were complained of they Inserted apologies
In subtequent le rues of the paoer.
The L rrrl Chief Jurtiee It wise only with reference to the
due administration of justice that we Interfered.
Mr. Justice Josh The publicati,ms might have hurl the
effect of deterring witnesses from coming forward. It Can-
Lot be tolerated that the evidence of such a witness as Lord
Bellew should he surd* the subject of criticlam while the
trial Is proceeding.
Th. Lord Chlel Justice, in stall ug that the apology would
be aceepted, .dnritset that it was full and f ant, and said
that the person who was chiefly to Mime was Mr. lirterg, in
g clog the letter to the newspaper for publidation.
The next can was that of Mr. eppleyard, who had pub.
11. h d a placard cioraining a caricature of the defendant.
11, appeared in person, aud also made a humble apology.
The Lord Chief Justice said that if the Court accepted the
, apology it inset ba understood that future offenders would
be severely punished.
Tha Attorney-General leformeel the court that he had re-
ceived a 11 rod of publications with reaard to the trial, but
only some of them (cord particularly one bearing the name of
Hogg, printer, Leeds) wrra obj•octidnable.
The Lord Chief Justice said the court had also received a
number, but meet of them were of an innocent character,
adding that there would he an anitraty as to pubicalons
Issued up I,lllc present time, and that any future off:noes
o: the like kind would he Mat with severely.
The apology having boon accepted, the matter dropped.

Mr. Talbot was recalled, andl cromeriamined by Dr.
K.uealy. lie said he was the nephew of Lady Dongt.ty aid
einem of Lsely Radcliffe. Witness never as.. any malior-
metion on Roger, and Inver heard of his having one. lie
talked to some members of the family shout the tattoo marks
before Roger left England, but court not tithe time.
Re-examtned : Was Certain he spoke cif the tattoo marks
before Roger finally left England.

The Vicomte Cherie' De liniment, who gave his evidenee in
English, but spokt with a strong French accent, was next
calied. lie said his great grend•inother we., a Mils Plowden,
and that lie was a c mnect ton of the Tichborne family on the
Ti _Abort. side. Ile wet no amnention of the Seymour+.
lie was • student at q.nyhurst in 844 and 1815, and remem-
bered Roger aiming with Sir James. Father Berra, the
Fred i lent, sent for him to come and see them in the grangers'
room. Roger could then only speak Frew h He dined with
Min and his lather on the (fay of their arrival. He was at
Stonyhurst six mantles a ith Roger. but two years altogether.
lie went there to Leine English After be left toe college he
saw Roger At Dohin, dined with him, and also met him at
ball+, lie ale met him at Faris. The defendant was nut the
least like R. geir. In 'RI he was residing In Perim close to the
Dowager Lacy Tichbotne, and he aid leis wife were in the
!matt of viallng her. She spoke of Roger coming home, and
said she had received photographs of him, but she would
never show them. Ile said to her, "If Roger comes home
I shall be very glad to see him, and will soon make out
whether he is it /ter or not." She replied, " You have no
right to do that. If you like to do something to please me
you will see him in • door without speaking to tarn, and
testify whether it is my eon." (Laughter.) From that
day he was sew r admitted to eye Lacy ichborne.
He was told that the defendant had arrived, and
that she bad rccogrdied hint. Ile called to see him,
but was refused admittance. Lady Tlchin,rue was deter.
nine,! to Acknowledge any one fur her son. lu 1871 witness
wee staying with Ina brother at the "Waterloo" Hotel,
Jermenditreet, when the defendant was also there. He ex-
pressed a wish to see him, and the defendant sent two photo-
graphs, one for himielf, and another for his brother, and
also sent word that he would like to see them at breaktatt-
time. In the afternoon of the same lay the butler c.me
with a message to the effect that lila counsel thought it was
better lie should not lee them. Afterwards witness saw the
defendant get into a carriage at the hotel, and also saw him
again during the heat triaL tie had arrived at the col:l-
-aud. that he was not 11 >ger Tichborne.

Crois examined When Lady Tichborne said if I wanted to
pleue her I would see the defendant in a door and re cogniz
his witimu t. speaking to him, I said, "My lady, do not think
I will do what you ask me," and she replied, " Then I will
get somebody else to do it." I t ever saw Roger before he
came to St°, 'horst.
To the Lord Chief Justice : When I last taw Roger he
spoke French. I always spoke French with him.
In his letters in French there ate frequent mistakes of
spelling and grammar. Did you observe these mistakes in
his conversation I—No ; he spoke good French.
Do you ineau the French of good society—Parisian bench
—Yes.
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lilt often the case that a person speaking French fluently
and correctly makes great mistakes then Le writes French?
—Yes.

Mr. R. B. Mansfield, residing near Southampton, said he
formerly practised as a barrister, and went the western
circuit. He WY connected with the lichborne family by
marriage. His trot recollection of Roger Tichhorne was In
the early part of 1849, when he wag with him for about •
fortnight at Bilton Grace, the residence of Mr. and Mrs.
Washington tlibbert. The witness was shown a coloured
photograph of that place, anti said it was a correct rept*.
notation °fit in the year in question. (Toe defendant did
slot recogn,ze it). 111 used to et: up with Roger from eleven
until the same hours of the in .ruing in the smoking MOOS
at Bdton ()lenge. Ile bad a perfect recollection of bonito
p non Om introduced ti hint ever made such an impression
upon him an Roger did. First of all he WU surprised
at his very existence ; as he had no Idea Sir James
hail a son, and thought the male line was extinct ; next, he was
surprised at his appearaoce as the future head of the Tic),
borne (unity. At Mat he wee a most extraordinary and
unprepossesatug young man. When he saw Mut in Lon-
dun afterwards he had improved, lie was also very much
rurprieed when he was at the Alfred Club, Atermat le street,
he see hint come in, as he hat no idea he was a int mher. On
that occasion they hail luneh together. At the lest trial lie
WO,S LIAO CA,llre In his yam and ilsteoed to the examinatim
of the defentlaot, sod he anivtd at the concluaion that he
wise not Roger. Be heard the defendant say he was
LOS a member of the Alfred, and that he did sot
even know it Witness was then told to come into court
without his air, and the defeuoant was asked If he knew
him, end he replied that he Oil not, ilowever be i not
think that ought to tell against hint
Why do you say th it /—Well, I remember everybody, but
polio iy ever remember. ine. (Laughter.)
Mr Justice Mel r l Perhaps you bad not that ornament
(alluding to • formidable Licari) —No. (Laugater.)
Examination continued: The Alfred Club is not in exist-
ence.°°!.

What is your belief? lithe defendant Roger Charles Itch-
hornet—There is only one pe, sou in the world more con-
/lent than I am that he to u,..t Id Irer Tichborne, and there
be is (yolLt ug to the clefs aslant). Laughter )
Mr William Heysham, sizes barrister, who formerly went
the same circuit and Deed in London and at Rigby, said he
was connected with the Tichborne family by marriage. lII{
father resided at It mislay, three miles from Ischborne.
While pursuing his studies he lived in the village from 1545
to 14.9, and hal frequent opp .rtithitles of seein4 R sir
Tichborne. At first they di I n.t get on very sell
together, as he c u'd not speak French, an I Roger
c mld not speak English. (Laughter.) After he had hen to
Stony hunt It Ter was aide to speak Etciush, hut he useA
French idioms, end sp, ke with a trench accent Ile re-
collected he could never pron .unce and would say
Sousarnpton " for Southao.pton At tfe examination of
the dt tendant at the Law institution he asked counsel t igot
him to use a word with •. th," and he pronounced those
letters distinctly.
Is the C &evident It ,ger Tichbonse /—C.rtainly not. There
1. 1101 a shadow of resemblance.
Mrs. Catherine Caroline Greenwood, widow of Col. nel
Wtilis Greenwood, who died last year lam one of the
semi danghten of file Henry Joseph Tichborne. lie
died In 1.4,, sod I remained with my eddlier matt'
1549. I had never seen tattoo mark., hut had I heard
It for had loom n tattooed I ask, d hint abut it, hoping
he might show me the mark. I said, "I' or. are tattled
Roger. how was It done D.cin't It hurt you much?" lie
said Not at RH It is done with a needle and gunpowder.
Lt me tattoo you. I should like to do it very much." I
declined the offer. My Idea la that he pulled up hia sleeve
and showed them to me, but tam not certain, and I won't
swear to it.

-lustlee Mellor Lie did not tell me what the marks
were.

Witness conthavd : There Ls not the slightest resemblance
between Roger and the defendant I knew °Moyle, mu:-
darker to Sir g :word Doughty I received in letter from him
and answered it, and received • reply...

Crosaexamined I have no recollection of having written
a letter to Mrs Onslow, the mother of Lord iiklow.
A lengthy discussion took place between the learned
counsel and the court al to hie right to get the c intents of
the letters with a view to discredit the witness without its
production, but the objection was ultimately waived,
th'itnesa continued 1 Dever cold have written to her to
say that I recosbdaed In the defendant's writing the hand-
writing ot Roger Tichborne.
Tbe Court then adjourned.