The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-08-09 00:00:00

adoption of free trade in commercial intercourse with
nations. Mr. Moore has made an admission here to-day,
that be would not have made ten years ago, nay, sir,
which he would have stoutly denied. He would have
said ten years ago that it was our duty to give protec-
tion to native industry.
Mr. BRAMLEY-MOORE—I rise to correct Mr. Jeffery
on that point.. I never entertained those sentiments.
I am a thorough free-trader, and always was as far as
regards a fair interchange of commerce (hear, heail,
but free-trade on both sides. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. JEFFERY—I ask Mr. Moore what have been his
votes on sundry occasions, and who have been the par-
ties in the House of Commons that represented his
political principles but those who advocated the principle
of protection to native industry. Now, sir, if Mr.
Bramley-Moore has not advocated these principles, is it
not clear that he has pursued a most extraordinary
course in apppearing upon certain platforms and in
giving his vote to gentlemen who have seats in Parlia-
ment on the side of the house that he himself voted on
on the division when my Lord Derby appealed to the
country to return a majority to that house, which was
then in favour of unrestricted competition with the
whole of the world. Mr. Moore had touched the French
treaty—

The MAyou—Mr. Gladstone alluded to free-trade,
and Mr. Bramley-Moore replied, but I suggested to
Mr. Moore that as the debate waS assuming a political
character it should be discontinued, and I would ask you
whether it is desirable to continue it ?

Mr. JEFFERY—I don't think it is, and if you will
allow me just to reply to one point I will sit down. Mr.
Moore stated that we were having no advantages from
this treaty, but he went on to say that it had inundated
this country with importations from France amounting
to £15,000,000 or thereabouts. If the French have
opened their doors to the English population, and the
English have availed themselves of that advantage, even
if that advantage was only 10 per cent., it required no
decimal calculation to find that this country had reaped
the advantage—by purchasing from the cheapest market—
of at least a million of money. I will not proceed with
this debate, Mr. Mayor, because I think it is not the
place for such a discussion, and if Mr. Moore had not
followed Mr. Gladstone in so much more enlarged a
sphere as that upon which Mr. Gladstone entered, I
should not have considered it my duty to rise, and not
permit Mr. Moore's statement to go forth without saying
that I believe that treaty will prove the harbinger of
one of the greatest blessings which could befal this
country. (Hear, hear.) And if we are to have a volun-
teer movement, i hope those who patronise it will call
upon the Go'Ternment not to spend something like
£30,000.000 in the defences of the country.
Win STTTT said that if any gentleman had come into
that room as a stranger, he would have been a little
surprised at the . discursive character which the
debate had taken, and he might have been
excused, if he had forgotten the real question before
them. He did not concur in the views which had been
expressed by Mr. Gladstone. He might be perfectly
sincere in those views, but he (Mr. Stitt) differed with
him in tote; still, as a member of the Council, he felt
himself in the position of custodian of the funds of
those who sent him there, and whatever he might do in
his own establishment, he did not think he stood in the
same position there, but thought be had no right to
grant the servants of the Corporation a holiday.
Mr. J. H. TURNER asked if the same permission had
not been granted on a similar occasion.
The TOWN-CLERK said that a resolution precisely the
same as that now before the Council was passed previous
to the review at Aintree.

Mr. RIDLEY said the resolution had reference simply
to those employes of the Corporation who were members
of the volunteer corps; and he did not see that any
objection could be raised to it, inasmuch as they now got
away at two o'clock on Saturday.
Mr. AvisoN asked what would become of the market
servants. If it was proposed to give a holiday to all the
servants. he should vote against it.
The TOWN-CLERK read the resolution to show that the
proposition was confined to such as were members of
the volunteer corps.

Mr. CLARICE ASPINALL thought the occasion was one
which warranted the giving of a holiday ; but if there
was to be a review every Saturday afternoon, then the
effect would be very sad indeed, and it would be time to
put a stop to the thing, and keep it within reasonable

Mr. RIDLEY said there was no servant of the Markets
Committee who was a member of the volunteer corps.
Mr. BENNETT did not at all hold with those gentlemen
who considered the volunteer movement is playing at
soldiers. Those who saw the camp at Crosby, and those
men staying out all night, would not consider that
playing at soldiers, and, if it was, they ought to go and
try it. He thought the servants of the Corporation
who had joined the movement should be allowed to go
as a privilege for the manly position they had taken,
and that those who had not joined should be made to do
their work.

Mr. SHELL thought the proposition as absurd, and he
expressed regret that the Mayor should have stopped Mr.
Moore, and thus deprived them of hearing a speech
which they might never hear again. He did not believe
there was a man in the community who would have the
hardihood and the personal courage to stand up in any
enlightened society, in 1860, and preach such a doctrine
as that preached by Mr. Moore. He had stated that we
got fifteen millions from France, while England gave
only three or four. He should think that would be one
of the best pledges they could have of peace, for the
French were not such bad men of business as to
run the risk of ruining their creditors. He con-
gratulated the Council on having discovered that
they owed a deep debt of gratitude to Lord Derby,
or were about to owe it (laughter) ; and also congratu-
lated the Council and the servants of the corporation, as
well as all other people of the town, on the gratification
they would experience in visiting Lord Derby's estate.
Perhaps the pleasure would be greater, as they
had seldom the opportunity of enjoying it. Lord
Sefton used to throw open his estate and allow
them to ride through it, and go about it, and it was
said they did net appreciate it ; but that could not be
said of Lordy Derby. He was much more judicious.
He would not allow any one to go through his estate,
except on particular occasions ; and of course they would
appreciate a favour which was only conferred. once in a
century. (Laughter).
The motion was then put, when there-appeared 22
for it and 8 against, and it was therefore declared to be
carried. The voting was as follows :
For—Councillors Stitt, Aspinall, Shimmin, Littledale,
Tyrer, Alison, Ridley, Wagstaff, Job, Kitchen, Nickson,
Steel, Farnwortb, Robertson, Vernon, and Livingston ;
Aldermen Bennett, Parker, Turner, Gardner, Woodruff,
and The Mayor.

Against—Councillors Sheil, Corbally, Haydock, Estill,
Steains, Gladstone, J. R. Jeffery, and Cropper.

SOUTH LANCASHIRE ASSIZES.

The Hon. Baron Martin arrived in town yesterday at
o 2 p.m., and, after procesdieg to his chambers, formally
opened the business of the assize in the Civil Court, St.
George's-hall. In company with the high sheriff (H.
Garnet, Esq.) and the chaplain of Lancaster (the Rev. Mr.
Turner), he attended evening service in St. George's
Church. The trials of prisoners will commence this fore-
noon at eleveu o'clock before the Hon. Baron Martin
and Mr. Justice Wilde.