The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-09-06 00:00:00

How fails that tram Itoeoliworth7-:! Oink tt la traillea.

ii;;; big did .0.6;c733;i
Where did you go then 7-1 went to the Laotians Dig-
gings.
How long did you stop there I—About twelve months, I
think .It might have been more.
But surely you know t—l never kept any note.
Where you there s year I—Yee : quite a year.
Whet!, the name of the station t—lorbes.
Where did you go from there 7-1 sense from thee: to
WaggeWagga.

11-a-ve yosi'-glven me all the names; of the plaeos you itayod
at before 'cm got to WaggleWagga 1-1 cannot Wilk of all
of them, perhaps.
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Dld you ever meet Arthur Orton before you got to Wag's-
Wasgat—Yes.

i'lleret—Oa the TA,ektmds, at FoTbs..

You had better be particalar about them places and the
dater —I cannot toll you when.
In what year I_ln 1666°c 1861, or somewhere between. I
cannot tell for nix months.

Summar or winter I—Well, I cannot tell, I am sum
I eimil repeat the question. Wes it in the summer ea
winter 5-1 am sure I cannot tall. I never took any note. 01
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Did you find Met theee whelk you got 10th. Leekhuld !
He war there, of coon.. . .

-Wu he there when you went ?—Re wee thus when I asaa
him (laughter).
The I.ord Chief Justice : You munt be perfectly swim that
you are not smutting the queetion.
Mr. Hawkins. Was It when you went?
Witness : Yee; he might have been there a bit before.
Did you go to tire Lackland In the summer or the winter?
—I
think It was about the spring. . _

Abrn whit moth?-1t mta..t. you when you speak of
the mouths in Australia.

Give me • month, and I shall not be led astray.—l cannot.
I have no guile° to go by. I think It wan to the back God of
the year—autumn as you call It here—wing than. I think
It was October or November.

In what 70.?—.1860 or 1861.
In what year did you go to Wages Wargo I—ln 18624 I
bailee?.

Will you swear it was before INV—Yes.
Will you swear it was in IE6I ?—I would not do so.
Will you swear It was not in 18607—Yes. I wea as the
Lackland in 1,60 or 1861

Just descrlO., Arthur Orton when you tint saw him r—Ha
was a tall, roogh-b -mud s, rt of man Ha had long hair, aud
seemed to havo buttetted about • good deal.
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Did he wear a beard or moult-ache i—lie wore something
lost on the chic—l don's know what you call it?
Do yon remember what sort of • walk he had I—Hs was a
little splay tooted. and throwed his feet out a bit.
Stormed in hi, walkt—No, he was straight, with round
shoulderp..

-in-iidue lay walked • little In-kneed t—l did not notice

How long tid ha remain at the Lackland ?—I know him
Sb ut two months.

Did you enter into molt converaation with him /—Was he
a friet.d of yours t—No, sir.
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Daron recollect any or the other men who were three ?
Yee, I IC :ew one as was along with him.
Wlutt was him name I—Tealor,
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D.. 1 you know what countrymen be wee !—I think he wan
a native of Andralia.

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Did oa leave tint or did he?—! do tot know.

Yt u'undentand Cho question /-1"-ea.- ----•
And you nre inTlO9ll to saying you don't know who lett
Ant ?—I am num I don't.
Then am I to understand—correct me It I am wrong—
that you were there In the autumn of either IE6O or Ml—
that is, Octoher or November—that you knew Arthur Orton
there, and you cannot tell ma whether he or you left the
place Ant ?—No.

B.t >ti L v him 1.11,r a',ut to tnoul, ?As Lear ea
can ad!.

What Au he doirg /-11 e was shepherding horses to the
diweert.
The Lord Chief Justice : I dou't exactly know what you
mean ,by that.
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Witness Taklag care of them. Ha had to take there out
IS or 90 masa IM a feed. Ho had half-a-cruwu 6040810 z
att.todput to them, .

Mr. Ha.Wldna That was all you knew him to be doing?
Witham : Yee
Where did you next see him r—At Waggs.Wasga.
Give me tie date ?—1 could not.
How long Ottr you had been at Waggs-Waggs?-Beren
or eight, or eight or nine months.
Did you 'peak to him ?—Yee.

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How did you address him t—l don't know thet I addressed
him by nem,. I knew him from being at Lexkland.

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What did you say to him I-I asked him how he got over
there, or something of that sort.

Rowrt4youkothnt his came wu Arthur Orton!—!
knew I on two occasion& I had occasion to know it by his
owing me some money,

At Wangs-Viagra ?—Yea.
How did you know that It waa Arthur Orton l—Becansa
gave me an 10 U tor the money.
Have you got the I 0 U I—No, I gave It him back again
When he paid me the money. On the 'Ackland, I knew
him ea '' A. Orton,' and at W41001,411' aa " Arthur
Orton."

Lord Chief Justice: What wu the mount of the
money? .

Witness Three pound. he gave me the I 0 U for. That
was about eight or nine months after I went to Waage.
Weep. He sac -c me an 10 V.
Mr. Hawkins : He gave you an 1 0 U
Witness Yes signed " Arthur Orion."
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How long did you keep the 10 U beton you gave it him
back I—lt might be 18 months.
Was It 7—l caul speak to six months. I ware you.
How long before you left Wagga Wags& did you give it him
beck I—Twelve months, I darmay.
You clammy I—i think so. lam not sacs.
Before you tett Wages Wagga I—Yes.
When did you have Wegga-Waggef—At tha klieg esti ft
November, 1 Ili.
And you say that it WU a year before that that Arthur
Orton got back the 10 U /-13omethbYg like that.
Did he pity you the msney I—Yea.
Did you keep say books f—l kept • bit of epencil book, SO
bock the names of gentlemen who played at billiard..
Am Ito understand you that you have now no slip of writ-
ing 3r memorandum of anything which occurred in Aus-
tralia 7—No, I have not
The Lord Met Justice: How was the debt of Arthur
Orton to you Incurred I

Witness: Partly by games of billiards played at my table,
and partly by money I had lent him.
Mr. Hawkins: You would know Ws haadvrlglng, I dare
I
Wallets Yes, I dare say I would,
JIM look at those two papers and tell me are they in his
hand te/Itleg I—Something like it, bet I don't think it
Whit is the diffusors 7-1 cannot speak to It
Lo, k agaln.—l don't think the "0" Is the name, bat !might
be mlstaken.
You do not think the "0' lith, same—de you seriously
mean that I— I think not but 101. a long time ago
What Is the difference fancy It was smaller than that,
enter as my recollection goes.

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II you said you had forgotten I could understand you, but
when you say there Ls a dlfftrenos I should like to know what
It 111?-1 fancy no.
Look at that (showing the signature of Arthur Orton to his
letter to Mary Ann Loder) Is that Ms signature I—lt might
be.

-Whit h ye ur belief about It I—l cannot mask to It.
You said there was a d'ff. re flee; la there a difference be-
tween you recollection and this signature f —lt ls a long time
When dl.l you go to WaggnWagga ?—lee 1861 or 1862.
Do on remember the time f—lu October, 1801 or 1862. al
tarn. my recolle °Don carrlea me.

Are yo.o sure It w. 18631—Yee.
Do you think it mitt hare been year before 18021—Not
yew.
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October is about spring there t—Yee
And you cannot tell 'Outlier it was In the spring or the
winter of the year 7-1 cmuot say whether it was swim, or
autumn.

Orli] MA or 18621—1 t was one of those years, but which
I (do uot know. . .

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You nod li,nnel kept the Auetrallan Arms?— Yts, about
eh months after I had the billiard room ; awl he then parted
ectit it to lligs
Him soon after you arr(ved did you see the Defendeat /
Afar Mr. Insert. came was the nest time I ears Mos.
Mow long atter Mr. Higgins camel—A week or two.
Are you suzette vs. not there when Mains came /—I am
quite sure of it.
Do you remember the fact of We coming to Mr. Higgins 7
I do.
Before thtn 700 had never leen him?—Not to my know-
ledge.
Was that In 1864, or 1883, or 1861-1 give you three years 7
I think it would be in 1863.
si.Wlll you wear Is /—li we. in 1813,1 believe.
At that period of the year! —At the beginning, I think.
There was only • week or two between the time Biggins end
he came.
Will you undertake to swear when you first saw the de-
fondant 7-1 think It could not have bean the different* from
the beginning to the end of • year.

Did on see mach of the de-fondant /—A good deal—ln the
shop, to the butchering, and to his work generally.
Did he present this some Ippwooc. as he does now ?
lanai the same, only mach lhinn.r. The features ere the
some

--Ilia be slanged In hie manner of masking no. Sheaf—
A great deal.
Rub. improved in his manner of speaking i—Yee.
He does not speak so thickly as he did then t—altate m-
aned. _
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--The Lord Chid Judie*: In the worls he used, or to the
'Vice . .

77.T:limees : The words he I:m4.

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What meaning do you attach to tke word " refinement I"
He seemed to have con eeeee d with the workLmonen more.
He speaks more like a gentleman f—Yea.
Mr. Hawkins What yoar was that when you last isw
him?

With... : The d.y I left Wagga-Waiga.
That would be Nov. 1.65 /—Ye.
IN lila voice changed at 0111—I1 Livery much the same.
lilt changed laoil—Very Wile If 111..
Ia It a milder vote* I—No. I don't think 111, any
In appearance Is he changed 1-0 I cooree he la—be I.
stouter.

—Acioo—d dealt—Y.,.
Wliat etioald you say ha was In Nov., 1866?—! don't think
he wedsbed 14 dons.