The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1868-05-23 00:00:00

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in the House of Lords, May tsth, theDule of Marlborough
aan,uneed that the t:oreruu.,••nit themgete, elltctantly
opqnyclled iii t•
the Education -

—Earl Granville t I' • ,Iltient had come toaproper
woncluWon. He vol., oiiUo jobeyei i.e Tunolt
with reepret to the eel. e 1 ..,se wits %,kgau sliti hote.i.
site, and urged that a minute should also 1t dr a. u up on
thin villa.
Lord heileadale pr 'tested glint the st .t.ei et:t that the
principle of the eonwietice chuise IL I retlt generally aituptwl
with respect to the bun hu: Ell,lllllli liChlll/18.
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The Ibte of Marli.ot ots„.11 add tivre weuld he no doper-
tore fnmt the Practiee of the coniteil until rarliameitt had
given its sanction to a different course.
he order of the hint Ma, then .dscharged.
The Endowed soheols Bill was read a second time.
The Customs idll, the Incon•e Tax bill, and the Exchequer
Bonds Bill were read a seeetel thine, and the ase a journed.
In the oome of Commons, the toll, of the day for going
Into committee on the Boiled:try Bill having been i'no
I.lr. G. 'lardy moved that a ,elect committee le n t
to consider the boundaries of the follinving borougds
kenthead, Birmingham, Bolton.l-11. ors, Bristol, Chelten-
ham, Chester, Derby, Gateshead, Gloucester, Greenwich,
Ma tints, Lambeth, Liverpool, Manchester, Marylebone,
New, ort Isle of Wight, , Newport ,Monmoutleiltire ,
lSorthampton, Nottingham, Otntinnnut, Portsmouth, Preston,
needling, Sunshiny, South Shields, Tytteritounk Warwick,
Wi„..qui, 0 ineisor, Chelsea. awl Kensington, Dan Itington,
Middlesborough. anal Stalybridee.
After a short discussion, in the course of which Mn', Hardy
said it was not to be undensthial that tine House would have
Ito poser after the committee had et ported. the limlt was
agreed to, Derby beingomitted ansi ‘i MOB la.:Mumbled. The
conmettee appointed were Mr. o alpole, Sir 0. Stirling
Staxwell, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Austin Bruce, and Mr.
Kirkman Hodgson
Mt the order of the day for going into committee on the
remn sentation of the People Scotlant BM.
Sir. Baxter moved, " That it he an instruction to the corn.
nut ee that, instead of adding to the members of the
Mouse. they have power to disfranchise boroughs in Eng-
land, heel; g by the census Tetouan of Eitil tests than 5,1001
inhabitants." If they were to base the representation on
population and the amount of revenue paid, Scotland would
be entitled to twenty-five more members than it at present
ha I; but he was willing to accede to tine proposition of the
Government, that ten more members sitoulni he allocated to
that couptry. Itutlne Utrilid not assent inn tic other pri
tion of the Government, that the number of members
f the Meuse oh mid he increased. So far from that,
he thought they ought to be diminiahod. The House
Sn as alre.aly too numerous for a deliberative assembly,
and was more numerous titan any other deliberative
assembly ins the nn on lit ; and, moreover, if they added
Inn the number of members ill order to glee a greater repre-
sentat hot to Scutla,d, they might have to do the same thing
lu enter inn give a greater representation to South Lancashire
Ar Yotiothire. His proposit ion t was not a new one. In ISA
Parliament subtracted eight teats from England and gave
them to seotiand. there happened to be tett places which
could scarcely he dignified by the name of loomughs, they
Icing merely small decaying villages led each of which re-
turned one member to Parliatneet They contained an aggre-
gate population of only 39,104, mid the number (if ci, minim's
In us d 874, and eight out of t hetet, places had greatly decreased
Inn numbers in the last five years. Ile proposed to disfran-
chise them, and in that manner to obtain the seats required.
Mr. Whitbread seconded the motion. Ile did not believe
that if they disfranchised the, ten small boroughs they
would settle the question of redistribution, but If they did
disfranchise them Parliament would not be inn great horny
Inn take up the ituestiiin
Sir B. Knightley moved as an amendment that instead of
dbfranchising boroughs the committee have instructions to
take one seat Dian boronghs in England Inuring by the census
returnsof 1461 lessthan Pldsto inhabitants. ileentirelyilimp-
provetl of the proposal to sahib/ tire number of members of
the Home.
eir Win., Maxwell seconded the arnendmeitt.

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31r. Childers supported the motion, anti pointed out that
lii the Mail Imorou,l. 'mopes.% to be diitranellised were
situate in counties already over represented.
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Vo-aii-itiie thought the amendment the more
feasonable proposition or the two.
Lord E. Howard said, if they were to disfranchise small
boroughs, they would go a long way toward* establishing
olector.al I listrfets..

Mr. Disraeli admitted that Scotland was entitled to addi-
tional reyresentation, hut he retained his uldnion that the
beet way id giving if washy increasing the number of membeis
at the house It was said that the numbers were already too
Went for a deliberative assembly, but what did they mean by
• lelib,rative assembly ? It was es,entially a representative
assembls , and if it were a representative asss mbly, it must
be a popular as:middy, and it aimed not be a popular aaseninly
11 it was to be restricted in its numbers.
Mr. Gladst tie remarked that it was desirable that
members should have real constituencies. Ile supported
the motion.
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On a division, the motiontas carrieil by 217 to 1213.
Mr. M'l arm u then Mulled a resoilition affirming that to
- • ria,lea„l, '11411,1".11rern" all
nd t Tjaus"tii 'iftti•e"n I,l';,eitrhs
alanhi now be provided for Se.,llawl.
The lin tin was seconded by Mr. F'orityre, but, alter
is me tilSel.lioll, it was a itlalrawn.
The !louse then went into committee on the Bill.
011 3. Mr. Bouverie moved to expunge a owls which
requißd the voter to pay the poor rate as a condition Of
voting. This, he Said, was all imiovation in Scotland, and
It wan much objected. to in that country.
The Lord Advocate oppose the amendment ; and, after
at dh!cussion, it Wlls carried by HS to :16.

Mr. Disraeli taut the tioveranent had been anxious to
brill,: these reform questions to a conclusion, but after the
decision that . ad just been come to he would move that tile
ohio rman repo t progress, in ordei that Government niight
Sri-literilie tn., t itey should
Mr. liright hoped that the Government would not persist
In determining to at the ratepaying clauses to seal:mil,
1111611 Z tilit the Scotch, members were almost -unanimous in
amileturi Mg it.
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Mr. B. Cochrane expressed his satisfaction at the determi-
nati,n which the Government hail collie to. as slid also Mr.
1.1.1.1e11, who regretted the Government did not resign after
the vote on the Irich Church. It seemed now a matter of
course that if the Govennuent proposed a thing the House
took a different view.
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--S].r-C. Russell earnestly hoped the Government would no
resign, but that they w..tild appeal to the country.
Sir L. Palk impressed on the Government thu desirability
of 'tilting an eml to, a state if things which was neither
evilitable to them nor to the House.
Sir P. O'Brien called on the Government to test the
opinion of the country by an Immediate dissolution.
Mr iii reply to Mr. Gladstone, said he proposed
to put the Scotch BM for Monday, nod on Thursday to go
on with the Corrupt Practices Rill.
The hoe, then re.iiiited, and immediately afterwards re-
solved itsell into committee of supply, runt -eve rat votes in
the civil service estimates were agreed to. On the vote of
41-0,770, a discussion was raiheil respecting the recent
appointment by the Chief Justice of the Court of Common
Iteao of his KOH as clerk of assize, which was strongly
ecoured by several members, and
31r. Fa. c:itt moved to reduce the vote by £l,OOO, the
eal.-ry of the lariat allotted to.
31r. Cl.llders suggested that the Treasury should make an
fnitinry into the salaries and untie- of these officers, un hich
the chancellor of the Exclieutur undertook should he done,
and tire vote Wiei agree,' to.
Some other business was disposed of, and the House
adjoinetied.

In the Brune of Loris, on May 15th, Earl Lichfield moved
that the Home should go into committee on the nichtly
Societies Bill.
'I he Earl of Malmestiury said, as the House of Commons .
wr 9 entirely absorbed main subjects of a very iliflieult
nature, he thought his noble friend would see that he would
only produce a useless discussion by proceeding with the
Bill, and therefore appealed to him to withdraw it, assuring
him that at a future time he would assist him with the
object he hail in view.
he Earl of Lichfield acquiesced in the course suggested
by ihe noble earl, and the discharge of the order was then
nude.
Cho Didion of Oxford moved the second reading of the
Consecration of Churchyards Act 1,,n, Amendment Bill, the
ob;ect of which w as to regulate the fees attemiiiig the con-
secration of churchyards.
After some remarks from the East of Ellenhirough and
1001 Redestiale, the Bill was real a ...001.1 time.
Viscount Littord moved that a select Committee be
al pointed to consider the Contagious Diseases Act. 1000.
11-named committee :—fluke of Stinnaset, Duke of Cleve-
land. Earl of Devon, Earl lie Grey, Visionlit Litton', Vis-
count Templetown, Lord Brodrick, Lord Silciwder, Lord
Uandeboye, and Liml Feurityn.
liii motion having been agreed to, their Lordships ad-
journed till Friday.
In the House of Commons Mr. Gladstone asked her
Majesty's Government what course they propose to take on
the second reading of the Established church „Ireland) Bill,
which stands for Friday, the 22m1 inst.
Disraeli: We look Upoll that Bill, Sir, as the first step
towants the disestablishment of the Irish Church, and we
shall give lithe utmost opposition we can cloud Ministerial
cheers.
Sir. Mill gave notice that in committee on the Election
ruinous and Corrupt Practices at Elect Bill he should
move a clause requiring a scrutiny at all contested elections
before the return of the writ, and abo of municipal elections,
by the same °Metals.
1.01. French gave notice that in committee on the &stitch
Ito its in bill lie should move that no county with less than
oo voters be permitted to return a member to Parliament.
In reply ti Mr. Daiglish,
She Disraeli ,aid that, ssith the permission of the House,
he would on Thursday flext state the course which the
13...VCIUSICUt would take with respect to the Scotch Ectorm
Bill.
Mr. Ferry Wyndham asked the Home Secretary whether
he I. aware that publications, the sale of which hail been
siondemned by U court of 18W, are Wow hell,: openly offered
for a stir in the streets of Loudon, and such being the case,
whether the police have jeiwer to interim*,

Mr. Gathorne Hardy sal l that since its conkleinnatMn, the
w 4 'onfesslssnal Unmasked " had not been sold in the streets
OS csluised for sale, hut its cover had been used to sell a work
of a verj different and harmless descripti.m.
sir. Trevelyau unwed the following resolutions to the
A.-iny Sale and Purchase of Colliali.illll, MIL That the
inn-cheek and sale if military commissions be discontinued
W ler a state to IPO tilted for that purpose. it. That from the
9,5510 date e.ery officer its full pay lak credited with the then
.sting value of his cornmissions, taking hito consideration
Fkik regulation and the extra regulation prices. 3. That the
10.14 po en edited be paid by the Government to any officer
yi tiring from the service at any time subeequent to
tis,faiVe-aleatiollt:d date under yin:kunst:knew which
• aid previously have enabled him to sell his COM-
rHsskunt 4. That a portion of the stun so credited he
peiki to any officer promoted bk he effective tlajor-General.
5 'that after the alkove-usntionekl date the regimental pro-
'Lotion op to the rank of captain be made according to a
r sobbed systems of scniorcly :mil selection. and above that
sy; kk by selectism. 6. That suitable conditions of retire emit
tns. provisleil at the expense of the Slat, Sr 011ie., of every
Anis. 7. That a fixed 'swiss/lion of the vacant emnasissions
Its each regin.ent be tilled by tine promotion of qualified nou-
n inunissioned officers.
Mr. Melly seconded the resolutions.
Caplet.. t 1110111111,011 all arnetioment to nholish purchase
igon ;Ike rank of captain in the cavalry and tine infant y of
k dik.•NC objeete It, the :notion, among Miner reaSons.
• ales gist di Its cost. TO buy out the vested interests isf
the House would have to expend ClO..ssyssospera4
0.....5 herjoi, of about twenty years akol Isesisles that they
• ,k.:k li-se to revise the nlissie systeM of retirenient, causing
ak .. If ion in perpetuity of 41,.5.k0,0tal a year to the array
*climates.
310. and Colonel Sykes followed in support of the
stollen, mid Colonel Nnelli ayannst it.
I.:eller:a Peel also opposed the motion. They'd) knew that
In the church. and at the bar, there was practically a par-
*hese sysdem ; for tlassigis the bighcat offices iii law could not
he purchased diryctly, the passage to them was through
tat House, and that cost Honey. It wrIA far too large a
4oestion to be settled by a mere resolution of that House
110,1 he objected to it, not only on account of the expense, but
cm account of the alteration it would make mu the composi-
tion of the army.
Mr. Gretifell, Colonel Herbert, anti Colonel L Lindsay fel-
Irsecd against the motion.
Mr. Otway remarked that it was by selection that promo-
tion efts coodillied in other armies. There was no purist-else
th the Ford Engineer, the Artillery, alai the Royal
Marine*. and he appealed to tlie Mouse Nhether there were
liter officers in tha service? The Alkyednian expedition
• , enrol 11l men by an Eni‘itscur officer who ossed to pile:use
to step in Ma promotion.
Lord Elcho defended the purchase system, but was in
tseour of giving a. pointments In the coomissariat service
stei clerkships in the War-office to soldiers.
.ir J. l'akington denied that the purchase system was
Lopt up for the seke of the ariStocracy. Ito did nut think
enuid iinprove on the precut onacia of prom ...Lion
'Will like ranks. The Fin nen army hail O 5 It revered to,
1..1 I g thouelit It furnished a w td Do kivoided, anti
I et so example to be follow:yd. Tine r.,111,. of the syytem
if
; °motion in tho F much army nit, taet the :Akers wore
to ly old men.
The motion was thin withdrawn.
e other business wan disposed of, and the Mouse
elfrorned:
Is the House of Commornk, on May 20th, .ir C. o:Logiden.
in IlteVil!tt that the Houk., go into committee on tire Likiel
Nnti expreysed a hope that Mr. Newklegate would withdraw
lila motion to defer the committee for six months.
31r. Newilegate said the principle of Lord Campbell's bill

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IS that he who published was liable, and that that which
00 hI se Oaly shunter as spoken became libel when published.
Tod intim:We was naught to be a'arugated by thishill; and,
• !linking this Idghly objectionable, he would move the re-
jection of it. the newspaper prop, ietor Was to be released
(ruinAshment for publishing it libel, provided he pub-
-11 lied promptly a renunciation of the libel, not tco to, goad
not .41.1..1.4..• libellous luiltlul.. hut oty sOL Wake IL iin-
pm &tire on the newspaper pro rietor to exert Ms power of
• ; nination in the first place? lie begged to move that
toe committee be deferred for An months.
Mr. hoelnick thoualit the objections of the hon. member
were. at to the prmciple, but to &tails. At present the
lad WAA 1,11111511.1 W./ repotted blowier spoken at a public
out.l lie wit., volio it escaped. Lana aid ',mud
provitic A remedy fir a public eviL ..Newspupers were solo-
ably for reporting truth.
Mr. 'l'. Cdainbers said it was not true that it was desirable
that evelythdig Which happened as a fact should bc reported
do publWi aud multiply a slander which, wnere it was
att.. ed, was of little iniportauce, was often most unachievous.
This ltiii proposed to go for Ito remedy •sguinst published
slam ler to the man oho originated it; but tee libel was the
woi hot the newspaper proprietoiu, and he would have the
new..maper editor additionally careful ill the management
iii tite machine which he controlled, lie supported the
amendment.

Tile Atilt-rimy General said the Bill Ilid not introduce any
new pi ine,ple. Tile object was that w here a person hail
published w hat he did not reiiaril as libellous, he should be
I elleved .rein all aution brought for costs. Mr. J. uolthund
supported 1.1 c: meamile.

is iudiey—si-i't-ti.the object of the Bill was to convert
" -looter" Lt.; Ile considered the change proposed
by Lim Lill W. lads *moiled.
Air. serjealit Armstrong supported the Bill, which legalised
the pubdcatmu of a report of the proceedings of a late.lll
miming held for a lowan purpose, and which was open to
the presence .of reporters. lie thought that the restraint
caus..tu by liainlity to punifliuieut tor the utterance vi
a Inch was likely to be published, Wad likely to re-
aut the utterat to 0, th, slanderer.
Mr. olerhige opposed the bill. • e did not care twopence
v. hat Was sai a about him by a person in an obscure locality ;
bla when large puoilcity xra,.. given to the assertions the
matter beciuue tO him ol much importance, and the party
against whom he would act would se the publisher, not the
tattier, 01 the ollensite matter.
The Solicitor-General for It eland said the object of the Bill
*vas to ielieve new spajhr writers from the consequence of
second-Imnd ; and if we Introduce the thin edge of the
hedge there would be no limit to the propagath di of bout.
Ile believed that newspapers at idesent phs,essed all the
advantages to which they were entitled.
Lord Amberley urged that it was the utterer of slander,
WSW not the publisher, who ought to he amenable to the law.
Mr. Eat son said the interests or new*papers and of the
poetic ts ere ideotical, and if the proceedings were not of
public importance they would never be reported. Tile ol,j eel
of the nal was to relieve newspaper proprietors from hivolowi
aml texations actions hismglit my attorneys.
The solicitor. General 505 afraid the sited of the measure
would lie to encourage cale:esaness in the publication of
reports, especially on the pa, t of the smaller class of news-
Papers It was true that the real slanderer was tile
poison who 'Meted the slander, but the really mischievous
pe, sou 5.5., the itulivbival wt.., published it.
Oil' isonuan O'bughlzti replied, and the Rouse then
divided, when there wete—lhr going into committee, 100;
against, hid; nri ority, ;0.
Tile ...use then went into committee, and
Oil. It. collier moved to omit chiuse 3, I,n the ground that
il agreed to it would tend to restrict that freedom of speech
WiWNI was one in the Must valuable accolopaniments of
pindic meetings
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The Attorney•Generat strongly supportei the clause, and
said it u ould be moat unt..ir to take away front a person
libelled the privilege of bringing an action against, or oli-
tainimt an apology from, the newspaper proprietor N, it hunt
giving him sonic other remedy. The Bill interfered with no
privilege, hut made a speaker responsilde for the words lie
spoke, know lug they would be puttlished.
After a Wither discussion, hi winch sir C. O'Loghlen, Mr.
M bailey, Mr. Sergeant Gaselee, the solleitor-beneral, and
ether hon. members took part,
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ir Column tr °Olen assented to a suggestion which had
been thrown out, that the discussion on the third clause be
postponed for a fortnight, and he moved a resolution to that
effect.

Mr. If. liaillie objected to the prcdponement.
Mr. Whalley teade some further oloservations, and re.
mi.rh,ql that their was am organised system in the press of
nikreporting Min when he made a speech.
'lb,nesiion was then put, and on a division there
were—lir the posti,onement, ; against, 34, majority, 35.
The Chairman then reported progress.
'the Entail Amendment Scotland, Lill was read a second
time.

Itie Railways (Guar& and Passengers' Communication
Bill was read a sec. list time.
Tne Partition Bill Los Is passed thr•myth committee.
Thu C tttttt ty Vo,,rta
•Ado•iralty durisdnAlou Bill was read
a thi d time

ii;e-P;;;;;ilidated Fund t 17,000,000 till passed through
connidttee.

Mr. Kekewieh asked leave to bring in a Bill to make pro-
vision iii the ease of boroughs reandng to return mend,rs to
serve in Pam liament. respecliog lights of election, which
have been vested in the persons entitled to vote tor such
nteinbgrs, which was agreed to.
Or. If. B. Sin:rid:in asked leave to bring in a bill to make
admissitVe, hi any pint of the United Kingdom, probate of
wills or letters of adminiatration grunted or issued in Ire-
land, wlikh was granted, and the House adjourned.