The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-07-05 00:00:00

THE TICHBORNE TRIAL

The Court re.argembled at balf•pest ten o'clock on
Monday morning. The audience wm =tonally thin.
The Lord Chief Justice (addresaing Mr. Hawkins) laid : I
have been looking through the evidence of Mr Gibbet, and
I find that there are two or three questions which I wish to
put to him. Lot him attend to-morrow—that Is if he Is
going away.

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M. Hawkins: As I sald the other day, my lord, I know
nothing of the movements of Mr. Gibbon, but inquiries shall
be.rnadd%atronee, and he shall be hem
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Bra Weitgrave, examined by kir. Hawkins —I am the
seventh daughter of Sir Edward Moray°, and the wife of
Mr Francis Whitgrave, of Burton Manor, Staffordshire. I
was well acquainted with Lady Radcliffe. I was at school
with her fr six yeam We were always great friends. I
visited at Tichborne and at Upton during the life of Sir
Edward and Lady Doughty. On the first visit I was there
at the same Urns.. Mea Weld. I think that wea In lE4'l. or
about that time. During the visit I often saw Roger nat.
borne. I should know him again in a minute. Roger Tich.
borne had an interestbig 10 k—a melancholy look. I re-
member that he had dreamy blue eye., rut with a great deal
of expreeelon In them—eye. that we would not enmity forget
111. face was pensive and melancholy—along thin face, a sort
of lank hair, very peculiar It used to fall into his eyes some-
times, and then be us, dto shake his head. There was a
little movement of the eyes at time. when animated—that
was all. He was very slight—l should say painfully thin.
I think that him movements were languid I never noticed
his walk. I don't notice people's wait. I ttink his hands
were bony. 1 remember something about tattoo mark*. I
seem to see them now. I think we were taming about the
tattoo marks. There were three of no standing round, and
he drew up his sleeve and showed no the tattoo. It was
clumsily done. The punctures were for apart. I don't re.
merubar what they were—whether they were animals or not
—lt is very indistinct.
The Lord Chief Justice D 3 you mean tat your memory
Is very indistinct, or that the tattoo marks were very in-
distinct

Witueu : I have a perfect recollection of the tattoo marks,
but not ea to what they were.

By Mr. Justice Mellor : I think It wu In the drawlrg.
room at Tichborne. I think we were all standing In front of
the fire-plam —that la my recollection of It. I doul remember
who the three were. We were three girls, I know. I think
Lady itadeilife aim one, but I wool be certain.

isammation resumed: I remember a circumstance attend-
ing that vlsit whlch amused us all vary much. I had a
slight bilious attack, nod Roger Tlchborne had • sore throat.
The do too was called In, nod sent us both some medicine,
but I never got mine, betimes Boger took the lot, mine and
his own too. (Laughter.)
By the Jury: Dr. Lipscombs was the doctor.

Reamination reamed : When I left I salted Dr. Lips-
... for his bill, but he said that he really could not send
me one, because R yer had taken 'lithe medicine (laughter)
I think Roger's manners were very pleasiuit. He wen very
courteoun and very amiable—always a gentleman. His voice
wee very trying to me I often loat three or tow words In.
sentence. Ile spoke a mixture of French and Zogilrh,
heard of the lOU of the Bello and of the arrival of the de-
fendant in Rogiand.

By the Lord Chief Julio.: Al the time I saw the tattoo I
don't know whether Roger was In the array or not. I think
It was last before he left Ragland. It was after Mims Doughty
had tbally left cchooL I OOP met a gentleman named
Hodson at dinner; he came home with the defendant in the
RakcAsa. At that time I had a distinct reoollection of the
tattoo. An occasion arose when I had an opportunity of
ragnaoabog IL All the company were talking of the Claimant.
and the circumetanoes aune hack to my recollection as I
hare told you now.
Now lust look at the defendant Ii that Roger ilchbarne

Cram -examined by Mr. M'Mithon This would be about
1802, I think. Mies Weld, I believe, was at the house at the
time with her brother Frederick. I believe Lady Radcliffe
was one of the three present I don't know how many lady
viettors were there at the lima I cannot poaltively affirm
who were the three ladles who were looking on. How
can any one tell precisely of a thing that happened twenty
years ago 1 The marks would be about two Inches to
length, orommise, near the wrist, and I
SOO nbove it.
Roger richborne Net turned up his sleeve. The tattoo-
ing was eery roughly done. I cannot remember exactly
whether they were figures or not. The matter has
remained In my mind till the present Ulna I moot say
that Roger Tichborne was Ininleed. I cannot mention the
time of year when thle happened. I have no memory for
dates, and Ido not keep a purest I have nothing to guide
men. to the time of year, whether it was winter or summer.
I think Mr Edward Doughty was 11l at the time. I don't re.
member the month at all, and I will say nothing of which I
am not mrtain. I em not oertain about the persons who
were there, except Roger 1 lchborne. It was not In 1860. It
must have been In 18+1 or 1862. . .

By IL:Jo-sties Mellor It was bet Ore lunch time. It
was in the morning I saw the tattoo marks on the lame
Melt on which Roger Ilchborne took my physic.
Cram examination Continued: It wan the end of 18610,
the beginning of 1862. I have taken no step to refresh my
recollection on the subject. I have avoided seeing Lady
Radcliffe since the question hat been raised. I thought I
had better come into court with my bad memory for dates,
than speak to her abont anything.
By the Court: I have no certainty as to the time or the
marks, but I have a certainty in my mind of having seen the
marks. I never saw any tattoo marks since, except the
other day, on • gentleman's arm. They were well done, but
those on Roger Tlchbornels arms were very roughly done.
What I saw was on the bottom of the arm. What there
was on the higher part I did not see.

Mr. B C. Stephenson, mastery of Lloyd's, produced
Lloyds' Lid for the years 1851 and 1864. It is a record of
the arrivals, tailings, and speaking. and accident, to vessels
of all kinds received from their *genie In every part of the
world. There la no difficulty In obtaining an Inspection of
the Lilts at Lloyo's. I And from (he List that the Pauline
arrived at Valparaiso from Havre oath. 18th June, 1853, I
have no entry of her touching at Falmouth. She tailed
from Valparaiso for Areas on the Bth July. She strived
there on the 1218 Angina, arriving at Figalqua some time
previous to the 1918 September.

Mr. Reneely having 'abed I technical objection to the
reception of this evidence,
lir. Wm. Gardener, an attendant at Lloyd's since pea,
was called :—ln January, 1867, the defendant ram{ to
Lloyd's in company with two gentlemen, and salted to search
the books. One of the gentlemen Bald the defendant wastlr
Roger Tichborne, and that they wanted to trace the Heidi
and Orprey—that Sir Roger use lost in the Bella and picked
up by the Osprey in 18.66„ They remained about two hours.
The march forth. Orprey wee first made. Captain Carmichael
was the name of the captain of the only Osprey that went te
hirlbonrne in the index book. The list was then referred
to, but they could not make the Osprey's sailing tally with
the Bella. One of the gentlemen queetioned the defendant
about the name of the captain, but he was unable to give
them any Information no the point. because he had forgotten
It. They then searched for the Bata, end on looking over
the boat book they asked him whether he wee more it was
the Bell. He made no answer for some time They read
over other names, such as the Bell, to asoertaio it
he was correct and then he said, No, It most be
be the Bella. There was no record of the loss of the Bella in
the lost book, They toned from the index-book that the
Kent picked op the Bella's long boat, end they referred to
the Bent in the Index book and hit. They remained about
two hours, and on leaving they meld as Ur Roger was going
to Paris they would call again. I did not see the defendant
again, but I saw the other on several subsequent occasions.
They then searched for different seaside. They took notes
from the books when they called.
Crou-examlned : The defend...B
mate the Ilea,.

Croat-examined: The -tletamulant latt It to his trienelz to
th• •••reb.

Re--icirialood7 ilo did not 'pa with a foreign accent.

Mr. Stephenson, recalled, !geld that the Bella waa not
entered in the loss boot, as no application had been made
to have her posted, but there was a record of her lois. Elbe
ailed from. Rio on the 20th of April, 1864, and there was an
eOll7 that her long-boat, marked on the stern in yellow
lettere La Bella, was picked up st ma on the 26th of April,
1664, by the Rent, Captain Hopkins, which arrtved at Rio
from BelYmore. The round-house, a wider-cask, and other
things painted In buff colour were also picked up. The wit-
ness mid that the place indicated as that where the long-
boat was picked up would be between 100 sad SOO miles
from the lend.

Mr. Stephenson mid that the Osprey, Captain Carmichael,
WWI bom the Clt de for Melbourne on the 19th of Janum7,
1854, imd was twice spoken dltat ; that she arrived at Table
Bey, Cape of Good Hope, on Um 15th of May; Balled on the
19th of that month, and arrived at Melbourne on the 46th
of July. Its Mitoses also read Miles alto mamma Osprey,