The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-05-10 00:00:00

TOWN COUNCIL•

Alderman HoLmt also objected to parties being
allowed to sell goods in the markets which they could
just as well sell in shops in other parts of the town.
hose parties ought to coitribUteNi4.rdt the talcs of
jzvfEßy also objected to the present appropria-
tion of St. John's Market, as grossly unfair ,to other
persons who rented shops in the town, and' paid high
rents and taieS. He believed time Was one person
having a shop in the market, for which he paid £25 a
year, doing a business of £5OO a week.
Alderman BtlorErr thought the present appropriation
of the market was a disgrace to the Markets Committee.
Mr. GLADSI'OIVE objected tti' the sale of ginger beer,
gingerbread, sweets, and other like articles, in the
Markets.

Mr. JOHNSON said ginger beer, kc., was only sold on
stalls Which- were Occupied the 'eM•ty part of the
ni,..erriing by the farmers. If it was the wish of the
uOnimil that a considerable revenue should be thrown
away, and notice given to the parties selling these small
articles to leave the market, the committee could have
no objection.
Mr. KITCHEN defended.the committee from the charge
made by Alderman Bennett. •
The bye-law appropriating St. John's Market was
then confirmed.
(in the 'lotion far the Confirniatidd of tit- appfopria-
tidn of Queen's-square fdr the AalC,-
of trait, floWers, etc.,
• . Alderniati litNritil took exception to such an appro-
riation upon -the ground that when the Islington
Market was made the Queen-square Market
rrvuld tiot
•
" requiren.- He also objected that-tin pans, calico, and
all sorts of things were sold in that square, and moved
omit the appropriation:.
amendment • 'snot seconded kit' the debate
The was debate
W 0.5 continued by Alderman Pallier, who was followed,
by Mr. Sheil. The latter gentleman moved an amend-
ment that no retail trade Should be carried on in Queen.
square., Mr. Jeffery seconded the amendment.
Alderman WOODRUFF depreCated the use of such
words as "disgraceful," in the course of debate. He
found that Alderman Bennett had used that word twice,
but he would point to the necessity of gentlefnen refrain-
ing from throwing stones in glass-houges, and reminded
the Alderman that his own property, near St. -john's
Market, was in a most disgraceful state, and was
occupied by quack doctors and vendors of physic.
(Roars of laughter.) . The Alderman should set his own
house in order before complaining of others. (Renewed
laughter.) He hoped soori to gee a good building
treated on the land iii dueition, and the quack doctors
and such people banished. (Roars of:laughter.)
Mr. Jeffery, Alderman Parker? Mr, BA*, Mr.
cropper, Mr. Kitcher., 7,;r:i.ilidstone, and Mr. Living-
-
st°nl taving lipnlen, the Council• divided upon the
Ithiendmenti Which *as carried by the casting vote of
the Mayor, the Oiiihere tieing .erpiat The votes were
as felloYis • : „ • .
.sir the anzendment The Mayor ;'Aldermen William
ennett, Thomas Dover, J. Hayward Turner, Richard
C. Gardner, and Samuel Holme ; Councilors J. Johnson
Stitt, Richard Sheil, Clarke Aspinall, C. J. Corbally,
Edward Estill, Thomas Avison, James Steains, Charles
T. Bowring, David Rae, Henry C. Beloe, Robertson
Gladstone, James R. Jeffery, T. Llewelyn Hodson, R.
Beckwith, John Farnworth, J. G. Livingstone.
3 Against : Aldermen John B. Lloyd, jardes Parker;
ooseph Cooper, troodriiff, ita*onci W. Rotighton
t[C auyncicoil.clk°rs,;l).aniej
,Crosthwaite, James Crellin, Roger
th • ' • •"1. Millen, Thos. Ridley, W. P. JeffreyS,
Thos.
gstaff, „ John Rogers, John Hays Wilson,
`• -0. Jnb, James Johnson, Joseph Kitchell, George
ietilont Francis A. Clint, lames RoVertion; Thomas-
Vernon, j. W. Cropper.
On the question pf the appropriation of. the Islington
Market for Whoteeile and retail purposes,
said it shOuld be understood. that this
site was held as a market on sufferance only.
Alderman WOODRUFF said the committee never
intended to occupy the site on any other understanding
than that. •

Mr. JEFFERy then moved 0 emit the word "retail "
in the bye-litv. fie held that the COniptition between
*hegeepers and persons nsing the niarkets Wak unfair
linCl
'Alderman Mime seconded iiikendment.
Alderman PA.RILE
simply amounted to•a, cry
•°f. " conie,,APlli6A respectable shops." (Laughter.) 'He
ed ttte‘Council would not be carried away by these
kh notions of fine establishments. Let the people
have a chance of buying a cheap cabbage when they
Wit it one. (Laughter.)
Alderman Har24E said his worthy friend who had
.tat spoken was terribly enthusiastic, and he could just
fa h.
fancy lin going to the market, buying a couple of cheap
41bages, and making off home, With one of them in
either pocket behind. (Roars of laughter.) It e thought
„,
most extravagant, and altogether monstrous to talk of
fact the Islington Market a retail market when the
xact
was that it was on that 'very ground it was demo-
Ltshed serne years age.
• Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Alderman Bennet, Mr. Johnson,
31r. SteainS, Mr. Ridley, and Mr. Piston spoke. ' ;
TOBIN believed it would be a great mistake to
Place a retail market on such a site. •
Alderman WOODRUFF said the fact was that the course
that Was being pursued that day would result in a loss (if
u-year to the Corporation. (Cries of "No, no.")
141 fact was that gentlemen who had advanced this new
theory that day knew nothing of the detailed working
of the markets. (" Oh, oh.") They had had no
!aPerience whatever in the working of the markets, and
lob
could tell them that their grand scheme would just
o the Corporation a considerable amount of, revenue,
and drive the farmers to sell their produce from door to
door.

The Council then divided upon the amendment, which
was carried by 31 to 14. The votes were as follow
For -* The Mayor ; Aldermen • William Bennett, J.
„'""lstvard Tanner, RiChard C. Gardner, and Samuel
C'
; Councillors Richard Sheil, Clarke Asninall,
'J. Corbally, Charles Turner, Edward Estill, Thos.
vi"n, James Steains, Charles T. Bowring, David Rae,
henry Christie Beloe, John Bays Wilson; Thomas
Gulley Job, James Aspinall Tobin, Robertson Gladstone,
g'" es Picton, James R.. Jeffery, T. Llewelyn
"n, George Nicks(); R. M. Beckwith, Francis A.
-ClintJoseph Steel, John Farnworth, James Robertson,
J. W. Cropper; and J. Gibbons Living"ston.
44" inst Aldermen John Buck Lloyd, James Parker,
:"Ph n,John Woodruff, and Raymond W.
-gob u ion ; Councillors James Crellin, Rogeri Haydock,
.Tn. rani Barton, ThOmas Ridley, Thomas Wagstaff,
4 Rogers, James Johnson, Joseph Kitchen, and J.
• CroPpr.
The byee-law, as amended, was then agreed to.
uu the question of the appropriation of St. James's
Market,
e Alderman WOODRUFF said he thought the time had
1:la Y arrived when the Council should determine
whethervr they would have any retail markets at all.
ti hPrzity--llear, hear. It is only a question of
rile. (Rear, hear.)
14r..CRELLAN hoped the Council would determine how
'navy Cauliflowers should constitute a wholesale tran-
section.

Mr. ritLom said he would move that the bye-laws be
referred back to the committee, who should consider
Whether a new system of managenient in respect cf the
811°P8 could not be adopted, with a view to determine
unfair competition With shopkeepers paying high rates
and heavy rents in the town.
Alderman DOVER seconded the amendment.
After some remarks from two or three men-Abers,
Alderman Woounurr said it was no u back the bye_ use referring
laws
would n suggested, for the committee
Mr. ever consent to reconsider them i.n such a way.
to carr JEFFERY said the committee ov,ght 'totem volens
y out the directions of the Council or tender
their resignations. (Hear, hear.} He hoped the
amendment would be withdrawn.; for, although he
agreed in the spirit of it, he thought that was scarcely
. • the time for the consideration of, such a proposal.
Jou hoped the
consider the suggestions of t~®
corum;Attee would not object to
since they
had been in ofacre
Council, for they had,
1-11
refor,ming the managr , done a great deal of good
iment, and they deserved the
best thanks of the Connell/ (Hear hear,)
IVIr. BELeE felt, upon ceiksislaradoe th h s his
, a., per ap
amendment was pien,l4- ia ure, and therefore withdrew
(Ilear, hear.)

An'adjourned met ting of the Town Cotincij was held
in the Council Chamber, at the Town-hall, yesterday—
the Mayor, T. D. Anderson, Esq., presiding.
The proceedings of the Courts of Law and St.
George's-hall Committee were read and confirmed.

COMMITTEE.
The proceedings,MAßKETS resolutions, and Yepotts of the
Markets Committee were read, comprising a recom
mendation to accept the tender of Mr. Henry Johns for
Barracan suits, at 15s. 3d. per suit, and of Mr. E. P.
Jones, for hats, at Bs. 3d. each.
The recommendation was confirmed without com-
ment, and the general proceedings were then confirmed.
The Council then resolved itself into committee, for
the consideration of the bye-laws for. the'_ better regulq,
tion of the markets.
Alderman Woormtmr, before Moving the confirma-
tion of the .bye-laws, alluded to the debate at the last
meeting of the Council on the mn"^^

_..... us Amerman
so appropriate part of the Islington Market to
- the Wellington column. He complained that in
coming to the Colwell with a resolution "ready cut,.
and 'dried," Alderman llbinie had discos rteoiisly treated
the.. Markets Committee. (Cries of "order" and
"chair.") ,
The MAYOR called Alderman Woodruff to. order, as
)1.2 emild not allude to a subject debated at the last
Coupe meeting,
Alderman Wocii:nitiFF theri moved the confirmation
of.the
bn the question of the appropriation of St. John's
Market,
Mr. PICTON took exception to the sale of bread,
ginger beer, &c:, in the St. John's_ Market, when feta
and vegetables were kept out, and only sold in the open,.
street.