The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-07-05 00:00:00

co3fmlifEi.

On the recommendation of this cOrninittee tlte_resig-
natiOn of Mr. Wignall, smoke inspector, was accepted,
and Alin Committee was -anthorised to advertise for a
person to fulfil the office::

Mr.. Tbs. EARLE desired ipforrnation with regard to

the number of lodgiug•houSes which had been registered.,
nr. BowniNG said he .wasifot prepared With s4tisties,
but he might state generally that a larger number of
houses had been.registered reecntly, and were now sub-
ject to inspection more than at any-previous period, and.
that the regulations were working extremely well.
Mr. RIDLEY complained that the Health Committee
had charged Z2O for cleansing the Islington market.
_ _

Ald. DOVER was-sorry the -matter bad been mentioned,
and tie hoped. that any caw() of complaint would be.
shortly removed by the abolitio.n .of .the market alto-
gether, That was the only classical part of Liverpool,
and he thottght-it *ds'a refrcetienlupoti the taste of the
Council that it should be turned into a cabbage garden.
- Mr.- Itini,Et moved that that part,of the proceedings
With reference to the charge for cleansing the market
be not confirmed; 'but lie agreed to virithdraw it on Mr.
.Dover stating that he did-not think it 'was worth while
troubling the Council'on the 'natter* - -
The general proceedings were then-confirmed.... •
.71,W0-601.ngs of. the, Cp;grt#3 of Law and of the St.
'.s`t. *'George's CoMmittee Vieiil) then' read and
400firnied. • •

THE. MARXETS- COMII/TTCE.-=-411E .EAiILIER CLOSING.
The- proceedings,. resolutions, and reports of the
Markets Committee comprised :-1. Recommendation
to,adcipt'a scale of charges to be taken at the cOrpora-
loot weighing machines, in lieu 'of the charges now
made.. 2. Recommendation, to alter the bye-law for
closing. the markets at 'ten o'clock on Saturday night to
- eleven :o'clOck. 3 Recommendation to accept the
tenders *of '!ft. Samuel White,. for uniforms,
_liveries;
and .hats.- Recommendation to *appoint William
-Bolton. and John Banks, as market constables, at the.
weekly wages of 225. each.
Mr. RIDLEt moved the confirmation of these recom-
r mondations seriatim. The new charges for weighing
did. not alter the•formet :scale, but made -them more
regular, and they were also more inaccordanee with the
charges for private weighing machines.

• Ttie'MAYOR said there were three memorials upon
the subject of the closing of the markets. As the
Council were. aware,- the bye-law Could not be rescinded
-that day, but the matter would have to stand over for
another month.
The Memorials were then read. The first was from
the tenents of Gill-street market ; the second from the
tenants of St. James's market ; and the third from the
Early Closing Association. - -
In answer to Mr. Aspinall,

Itionzv stated that seven-eighths of the tenants
of all the markets had signed memorials praying per-
mission to keep open till eleven o'clock on Saturday
nights. He said, also, that many of their tenants were
leaving them in consequence of the early closing of the
markets-: ihey had taken shops outside, which they
could keep open till 12 o'clock at night. The effect of
the.earlierclosiug had been to benefit the shops outside
the different- markets. He moved that the memorials
be referred to the Markets Committee, and that the
question- staid.over for a month.

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Mr.T.knt.ElSaicl he had listened with great attention
-TO Mr. Ridlers arguments, but he thOught them poor
ones. (A- laugh-)' Going to parties interested for
information was like. going to lawyers to improve the
the law they never would improve it; and the
Church was the -same, the parsons would never
improve it: The ' establishment of shopS in the
neighbourhood- of -the markets would last a _ very
short time,. and poor people would take good care not- to
go there for their bargains. It was strange to ask for
the abrogation of a law before they saw the effect of it.
Let them first see what effect the closing of the markets
would have upon the disorderly part of the town -; 'let
-them have in a few months a report from the police as
to whether there is less rioting and drnukenness in the
neighliourhood

:

Mr. BOAYRISO though the experiment had not had a
fair trial, and it-would be trifling-with the question to
make an alteration at the present time. -
Mr. GL4nx.E A4I:'IIrAIL said,. after Toting .on the
former occasion for closing at ten o'clock, he had asked
himself the question whether the tenants of the markets
were not tied up for, twelve or eighteen months to their
tenancies, and whether, consequently, the change did
not 'involve some hardship and injustice. iRe found,
however, that the. bulk of: them were weekly tenants,
and therefore -they had' not much reason to complain.
If they were told they were all at liberty to quit the
Market, it.was probable there would not be one .resigna-
tion. If the Cottncil were to make. a_ byelaw one day,
;and alter it the next, they would not hold a very digni-
fied position out of doors. lie 'charged the Markets
.Comraitteemith having beenlirejudiced from the first
been made.:-.:
against the changehad
Mr. JOHNSON supported the recommendation of the
committee. Tie Ouitnts, had: to compete with shop•
•
keepers in back 'streets,'
and in such places as Vauxhall-
road, which. were not compelled to close early.

Mr. Stu* also supported the recommendation. Al-
though the *mutts paid weekly, thorwera actually yearly
tenants; and ,many, of them had be(M.sueh before Mr.
Aspinall was' born. MinY of the commodities brought
to the market wereperishable' 'articles, which were
arriving at all hours, and•some -of Whiclf,traist be sold
late. As to the payment, .of wages on Friday nights,
Mr. Sheil said there were many tradesmen. :who no
not able to do so; but w'era dependent upon, their daily
collections on the•Saturclayto Meet Ufa demand.

Mr. CRELLIN- held the same view, and maintained
that this Was the' wrong: season; for trying any: such
experiment as the -e'atly" t:heMatkts..
Mr. Ct,L4r said this was a :question of morality, and
as applicable in vinter as itriuniiner''.lle had voted in
favour-6f the earlY;ClOSing,-andhft'eatifessed he had not'
much sympathy with
.poor :butchers who were selling
theii meat at 10d. a Poniiill:'-flieenuie,.when the change
beeami generally known, the peopleraccustnteed' to
make their purehasei betideen' ten_ and eleven o'clock,
would make their purchases before.: : The inconvenience
to the tenants 'could only be temporary; and by-and-bye
things would 'settle down:: There seemed to be no
ruentorial frOin the Public complaining of any incon-
venience. which they had suffered frOm the markets
:being dined at ten c'elock.- •
JE,nrltY called attention to the- fact that the bye-
41v which they were asked to rescind was passed by a
Majority of 26 to 14, and that, after considerable debate.
'He thought that the question should not be postponed
for a month-, but that they should dispose of it at once,
by rejecting ,the recommendation of the Markets Com-
mittee. The proposal was to legislate down rather than
up to the intellect. Ho remembered the time when in
the' shops frOm Bold-Street and Church-street more
business Was done. -after. five o'clock in the evening
than- all the . day before. The young men re-dressed
themselves and the windows : but by a. series of
efforts, the former vicious system had been entirely
places could now all be closed at
asebvoelnisheod,cloctic,bese- and
he believed they did no less
business. He had reason to believe that short a time
as the markets had been closed, it had exercised a very
beneficial influence upon the neighbeurhood of the.
• markets. Then the market people themselves had their
own-purchases to make, 'and so places had to be kept
open for them. It was true that places were kept open
late in Vauxhall-road and elsewhere ; but were they to
tb-depTore- it He moved that 'that part
proceedings of the Markets Committee be not
encourageoftheor
confirmed.

Mr. Belee seconded the motion.
~.ttierpan Co9rEn was a little surprised, knowing
leffery to he si WeefitEiclef itt Principle, that he
should come there and ast thcii cckfile lEelf tcrtals.
The market PeOPfenntgin to have had not
at letCst before, the Chanie had taken place, and
eiiiiecluieUi should ilot have cOmp,iUto op'erition in the
summer season. - butcher fad fold AU iliat he lost
or £4 on his meat on a satirday night
bie4aw- was driving the people out of the market. As
of wages, he .paid them for years on a
Friday, but he 6'w raid them mi a Sattirdq, and this
he did on the gromid of morality.; foil Kett he, pail the
Men on a Friday they did 'not turn up on a Sattirda34.
to thbight they should pass a resolution fixing the
hoUrs at eleveri o'clock in summer and ten in _Winter. _

Mr; Stattix thought. Mr. Jeffery' had forgotten the
distiuotiiin Vetvieen silks add satins, and fish ana
A vessel with fish might adverse viindh
and miss a tide.: -Besides, he had heard that-trot:li age"
to ten the. large .fish dealers sold off. their undisposed
produce at a leSs pritce to the retail dealers, that they
might sell ttf the poor people who came about that time.
for their supplies.. -
Mr. KITCHEN- said.that on almost: everf. O'deadon be
had gone to the markets, he had been surrounded with
butchers and fish people
.urging that the markets should
be kept open as heretofore. They would not object to
the present plan if it was made to commence in Octhber.
Some of -the tenants had met with serious .losses, owing
to their fish or meat left unsold being spoiled befOte
Monday morning. . -
Mi. PIeTON; said the question was not a mere fiscal
regulatia. qiiestitht vhis, "idiether they were to
legislate liacitsVard made a step in advance,
in conformity With the general seirtintent .ont @f doots,
arid the spirit of the age, they should certainly. not retro-
grade.
Mr. Ri bristly replied, and Said that In Avenue
No. 1-in St. John's Market, there were from tvielVe to
fifteen empty Im:tellers' stalls--4he since the
change of the hour, having left,. .
The Council then divided, when Mr. Jeffery's amend-
Merit was carried by a majority of 23 to 13. The follow-
ing. is an analysis of the voting :--
For,—The Mayor ; Aldermen-Bennett, Dover, Parker,
and Turner; Councillors Aspinall, Corbally, Estill, Beloe,
Graves, Wilson, Job, Earle, Picton, J. R. Jeffery, Nicksou,
Akin, Clint, Farnworth, Robertiiin, Cropper, and Living-
ston. • - a• . . • -

Against, Aldermen Cooper and Houghton ;- Council-
lors Crosthwaite, Crellin, H:tyclock, Shinimin, Holden,
Ridley, Wagstaff, 'Johnson, Kitchen, and Hodson.
The general proceedings wjre then'confitmed.
Mr. JEF'fERT said he noticed -upon the proceedings
something about sureties; and remarked that he thought
that wa.Contrary to a c resohttiOn previously agreed to-
•
by the •:Council, that for the future private sureties
should not be accepted, but the guarantees of societies
instead. He asked if the committee intended to take-
any step with regard, to the fast brought before the .
Cominittee-by a deputationg that the tenantssf Queen's-
Squib market were allowed to"'sell vegetables only on
two days in the week, while the bilington market was
open every-day-for- that purpose. - •

Mr: KITCHXll6aidle was sure that every one would
be glad that Queen's-square and Great Charlotte-street
had been. cleared, as all the approaches to the market
were now free. of access:

Mr. &immix asked if it was intended to be vimpul
sory to obtain security from guarantee societies.

The TOWN-CLERK said that, .as the_ resolution stood,
it 'was compulsory but he did not think it was intended,
when passed, to be gd. _ _

.Mr. RIDLEY commented on_ the hardship .of compel-
ling a man who had only .a small salary- to: pay a
guarantee Society ; and, with regard ,to . the other
question, asked by Mi.-Jeffery, he said. that if the
council wished, the committee tad-no ohjettion to epen
the Queen's-square as a market every day.
The proceedings were confirmed, as were also those
of the Education, and. Gaol and :House of Correction
Committees.


•FRLB LIBRARY.

The proceedings of. the Gardens; Library, and Museum
Committee comprised a recommendation to accept the
tender of Messrs. liolme and Nicol for the new cases in
the upper rooms of the New Musenin, at six guineas per
lineal yard; and -their tender for 4ting uo the book
shelves in the New Library, for the-sum Of £390; and a
resolution authorising the ,closing of the ,Library and
Museum on the Ist of s.eptember next, for. the purpose
Of giving time for the removal of -the books and speci-
mens-to-the Neiv tibrary.and Museum.-
Mr. PlcTorr .moved the Confirmation Of die minutes,
remarking that there was one matter which appeared to
have been omitted—the.resignation of the.curator of the
Botanic Gardens. The committee desired, permission to'
advertise for a gcntiemati*to fill his place, which was.
agreed to.

.Mr. TVUNER asked if. the' chairman was aware that,
since Monday last, not .a single -workman had been•
engaged at the Library and Museum. If the strike
oontinuod there was but little, °hawse of the. establish-
menb being opened in October!

•
Mr. BENNETT said that Mr. Turner was not quite
correct, as the strike was confined to the joiners.
Mr.RroLey asked if it were true that it was the
intention of the committee to dism'iss the curator of the
Botanic Gardens, if he had not resigned.

Mr. PIcTON replied that he had no means of answering
a question as to what the committee might .have done.
The proceedings were confirmed ; and, .on the motion
of Mr. Hodson, the proceedings of the Water Committee
were adopted, and also those of the Baths Ceinmittee,
the consideration, of a plan for the -conversion of the
Ererton reservoir being postponed for an indefinite
period.

TOWN IMPROVEMENTS, AND PROPOSED ADJOURNMENT.

Mr. Alderman P&RICER,' at this stage of the proceed-
ings, moved the Adjournment of the Council to 'Wednes-
day next. • . • .

The MAYOR asked if it would not be better to post-
pone the'considerations Of the questions relating to the
public-offices till the next meeting: -

. Mr..KTTcuFN protested against those .imporbant sub-
jects being taken into consideration before they had the
Printed report of the Finance Committee.

. .
• Mr. SHELL said that if the questions were again to be
postponed, he hoped they would. take precedence of every
.other matter ; but he objeCted.to seeing continual -post-
ponements. . • .
Mr. t sitLE wiisnotin-favouy of the two snbjectibeing
taken.together,.as they were entirely disbibet.. - He did
not think that the town meeting► vies :a- ineetingOf rate..;
payers,.but of a certain-class who. always objecied.to put..
their bands in their.Pockehi for any purpose,
After twine furtheidiSeiision, Mr. Jeffery ;proposed,
as an ainendinent, ihai- the question about the public
offices.should be at .once discussed,-and,' after -a renewed
conversation on the subject, :the matterwass put to the
vote, when, there appeared 16 for the amendment, and
16 against, and it was rejected by the casting
.vote of
the Mayor.
Mr. Dover then moved another amendment, which
VMS seconded -by Mr. • Jeffery, that- the subject of the
public offices should. be considered. at a.speoial meeting
on Monday neat; but this amendment Was-rejected
after- some discussion, in the same manner as the-last,.
by the casting vote of the thaiiinan. •

- .
The .comniitteo eppctinted to cnnsider the deniability
of framing bye-laws to -regulate the paisma of tattle
through the, streets submitted. their report; from which
it appeared that there were •no regulations of a similar
kind in force in any other part of the town, and that
:there was no law under which the Connell coutd•conwel
attle-divirers to wear badges. Great cruelties were
sometimes practised. by these men, and the- committee ,
recommended that the most stringent regulations should
be adopted .0 prevent this.
•
MAYOR'S COMMUNICATIONS.

An application from Edward Edwards; a porter at the
,Town-hall, was referred to. the Town-hall Establishment
Committee. - -

THE VOLUNTEER REVIEW.
The following letter was submitted:—

TO THE MXTbI OF LIvERTOOL.

large number of thc.officers of the artillery and nne
volunteers of Liverpool haying assembled this day, to carry
011tk to the best advantage, the official review byCOL -41rao,
Inspector-General of Volunteers.; of the Lancashire
yelunteisrs at Aintree Racecourse, on the 14th of July, they
desire me, respectfully, to ask theldaycir to nae. Lia fiffluence
with, the employers of young men, by :issult; a recommenda,
tion forr-a general half-holiday; on 'Saturday, the 14th .JUly ;
thus enabling the volunteer fotces of the town to mate an
appearance worthy of the second commercial city in the world
—I am, sir, your obedient servant,

J. T. BOrRNE, Major.

• Liverpool, 4th July, 1860. .
The MAYOR asked 'what- stops the COuneil woulthake
in the matter. • _

My. TURNER suggested that the matter should, be
made as public as possible, but did not.think they could
do anything further.
Mr. GRA.VES said he was• at the review of the
Volunteers in • Hyde Park, and he• did feel that Liver-
pool was rather behindhand with', regard to-the move-
ment. Unless the employers came forward and counte-
nanced the movement, he feared that whatever zeal is
shown, it would be of very little. avail. The review at
Aintree would -be supposed to be the only occasion
within the year on- which the employers would be asked
to forego any portion of the services of the employed,
and he did think it was an occasion when the Council
might express its opinion as strongly as they could
prudently do.
➢ir. ROBERTSON said that the reason that Liverpool
was not as well _ represented at the review as Man-
chester was, that a subscription had been raised in the
latter town to defiay their expense up to London.
_ _

Mr. JEFFERY warned them not to create too much
excitement with regard to the volunteer movement. tie
knew of several instances where young •men had lost
their situations in consequence of_ having their mind
wholly engroised in that movement; and he maintained

hat unless it were kept within reasonable grounds,

instead of being beneficial, it would prove highly. per-
nicious. Persons engaged in mercantile pursuits,.'with
comparatively small establishMents, had no idea what
might be the mischievous influence of an undue eithu-
liasm. Young men who had to earn their livelihood