The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1861-01-10 00:00:00

TtIE DAILY TIMES, THURSDAY, JANUARY 10, 1861

not wish to enter into a diccussien of the whole question
de novo after the many times it had been debated at the I
Council table.
Mr. BELOE said, in reference to the resolution of the
public meeting called to consider the question now before
Council, that it had on that occasion been amply dis-
Missed in all its bearings: Lie then held in his hand a
copy of the resolution cone to by tnit peiblic Meeting
under the presidency of Mr. Anderson, and be, thought
that the special committee had altogether omitted any
reference to the spirit of that resolution.
Several members of the special committee having
tendered their resignations,
The MAYOR said that the Council should deal with
the question.
Mt. GLADSTONE remarked that he was sorry to find
gentlemen who Called themselves Liberals arguing what
in mordents of calm and sober reflection they Would
deeply regret--znarriely, striving to cairy on an old
system/ of things in the Council *hich he believed
wanted a cothplete mid thdrmigh changing in all its
departments. They *anted to hate the pUblic to came
to that chamber, to test their representatives, if such
they were in reality, and let theni (the public) have the
occasion offered them of witnessing and hearing what
fell from their representatives, and judge for themselves
whether those representatives are really and de facto
exponents of their views or no. (Hear, hear.) It was
against the public, it was against the principle of pub-
licity, it was from a horror of reporters, it was from a
fear of everything that tended to shelter the old rotten
system of exclusion, that this opposition to every great
change of operation, no matter how it originated, could
be traced. The expenditure of a considerable sum of
money on what was said to be established, was
a mere bagatelle, compared to the great importance
of having the public mind satisfied that the members of
Council were doing their duty in that chamber. (Hear,
hear.) He contended that the constituents should be
allowed to come into the chamber to hear the opinions
of their representatives. He said that such a course
had been adopted without a single exception in the
council chambers of all the large towns and cities of
England, and produced great good.
Mr. NICKSON did not think that the ratepayers felt
any great interest in the matter, and seemed not to care
much about being allowed to be present at the debates
in the Council.
Mr. EARLE was of the same opinion, and considered
that the ratepayers would soon have enough of the
splendid oratory of some of the eloquent gentlemen of
the Council, if they attended at the discussions.
After a few remarks from Messrs. Kitchen and Stitt,
Mr. Jeffery replied, when the Council divided, and the
following appeared for and against the motion of Mr.
Jeffery :
For—The Mayor; Aldermen Bennett, Preston, and
Parker ; Councillors. Stitt, Sheil, Creilin, Haydock,
Shimtnin, Steains, Estill, Bowring, Ridley, Gladstone,
Picton, J. It. Jeffery, and Beckwith-47.
Against—Aldermen Lloyd, Cooper, Woodruff, and
Houghton ; Councillors Anderson, Crosthwaite, Aspi-
nail, Turner, Avison, Rae, Beloe, W. P. Jeffreys, Wag-
staff, Job, Earle, Hutchison, Johnson, Nickson, Kitchen,
Farnworth, Siddeley, Steel, and Vernon-23.
Several members of the special committee then ten-
dered their resignations, but the Mayor said they could
not be accepted.
THE GALLERIES IN ST. MICHAEL'S CHURCH.
The following motion, notice of which had
.been
given by Mr. Alderman Parker, was then read :
"That the galleries of St. Michael's Church be free to
the public, as was done in respect to the galleries of St.
George's Church in 1853.
After some discussion, it was withdrawn.
THE DOCK BOARD AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
The following notice of motion, given by Mr. Robt.
Hutchison, was read :—That the following resolution,
passed by the Council on the 9th November, 1860, be
rescinded, viz., "That no member of this Council,
except the Mayor for the time being, who is a member
of the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, shall be
placed upon the Finance Committee."
Mr. HUTCHISON asked to be allowed to withdraw the
above motion.
Mr. SHELL considered the subject of great importance
to the town, and said it was not desirable that members
of the Docks and Harbour Board should be also members
of the Finance Committee, inasmuch as he thought that
the interests of the two bodies clashed. He opposed
such a principle as allowing a gentleman to occupy a
seat in both bodies on constitutional grounds.
Mr. C. ASPINALL thought it a very inconvenient rule
to allow gentlemen to put notices of motions on paper,
and then allow them to withdraw them without sufficient
cause again.
After a few other observations from members of the
Council, the meeting separated.

LIVERPOOL POLICE couicr.—YESTERDAY.

(Before Mr. RAFFLES.)
EXCHANGE IS A ROBBERY.

A well-dressed young woman named Catherine
Nugent, was charged with having stolen a pair of boots
from the pawn-shop of Mr. Cohen, Whitechapel. A
young man named Christopher Robinson, from Mr.
Cohen's shop said, the prisoner came into the shop yes-
terday, and offered two rings for pledge, saying she
wanted to purchase a pair of boots in exchange either
for the money or rings. She wanted ss. 63. on the
rings, and asked to see a pair of boots, when a pair was
shown to her. She shuffled about for some time, and
finally left the shop without pledging the rings. Soon
after the boots were missed and the prisoner was fol-
lowed, and the boots got in her possession. The pri-
soner was convicted summarily, and sentenced to two
months' imprisonment.