The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1880-06-12 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARI;IAIVIENT.

Iss the Horn OF Loins, June 7,a question pxt by Lord
Camperdown relating to the ilnaneial position of the island
*f Cyprus elicited from Lord Granville the explanation that
theyevenue over expenditure had been duly verified by an ex-
amination of the accounts for the year, and that the annual
Payment found to be due to the Porte was 11,131,931
Piastres.
Lord Salisbury intimated that during the British occupa-
tion of the island the trade and commerce of Cyprus had in-
czyzasea fourfold.

Lord Granville declined to say, when asked by Lord
Carnperdown, what course her Majesty's Government might
take in the event of the interest of the Turkish Guaranteed
Loan of 1855 not being paid by the Porte.
The Duke of Marlborough raised a short discussion on the
state of Ireland by asking Her Majesty's Government what
statutory pow,rs they would -consider to be still in force
after the expiry of the Peace Preservation Acts to enable the
Lord Lieuten.,nt to send additional police force into any
locality, and to levy the cost of maintaining such force off
the locality. His Grace drew a gloomy picture of some
Parts of Ireland, respecting which he cited statistics to prove
considerable increase in the number of outrages.
After some observations from Lord Dunsany, Lord Oran-
Inore and Browne said there was a genera lwant of confidence
aalong all classes in a great portion of Ireland. Fear per-
vaded the inhabitants, and they would not deal with one
another.

Lord Spencer, in brief terms, Leplied that in the Common
taw mut in certain Acts of Parliament which were not about to
rl3ire the Government believed they had the power re-
rred to by the noble duke and the means of preserving law
and order in Ireland.
Their Lordships adjourned at twenty minutes to seven.
„Zen the UOUSE OF COMMONS, four notices were given from
!a, Liberal benches in opposition to any such interference
NVlth
freedom of contract between landlord and tenant as is
rroPestd by the Government Hares and Rabbits Bill, each
:ration being received with loud cheering from the other
Eidt of the House.
„..11r. Cowen gave notice of his intention to ask the Prime
.linister whether he would lay before the House the
demands which Mr. Goschen had been instructed to makeeon
the Porte.
. There were 36 questions to Ministers on the paper, and the
st:question time' extended to considerably more than an
ew%

In answer to inquiries from Sir H. Johnstone, Mr. E.
Stanhope, and Mr. Samuelson, Lord Hartington read a
Memorandum setting forth the views of the Government,
!, far as it is deemed expedient to publish them, with regard
1,0 the course of events in Afghanistan. The instructions
Riven to Lord Ripon, he said, have two objects in view—to
bring the actual military operations to a close as EOM as
Possible, and to leave behind us when we withdrew from the
eountry; which he hoped would be in the autumn, something
Inge a prospect of a settled Government. As to the separa-
tion of Candahar from Afghanistan, he was not prepared to
'lay 'whether an arrangement was possible, if desirable;
but the Government certainly would not view with favour
047 arrangement which would involve a permanent occupa-
tion of Candahar. So also with regard to the frontier
arrangements of the Treaty of Gandaniak—which they re-
rded as non-existent—the Government was not satisfied
ittat they add anything to the strength of the frontier, while
eY would involve a considerable addition to the frontier
t". Lord Ripon would considor all these questions, with
the assistance of the best military advice, and would decide
ti Without any pre-conceived bias. The Marquis added
111.2-'4.!5 hoped an opportunity might be afforded of discuss-
- question this session.
answer to Mr. Firth, Sir W. Harcourt said the inquiry
011,0 the City Livery Companies would be by a Royal Corn-
hi:Lien with the usual powers, since to appoint a Parlia-
W;'l4rY Commission would be to assume that the companies
. unwilling to give the information, which at present he
eflised to do.
°ll going into Supply, Mr. Gorst called attention to the
osition of the Government in reference to the abolition of
lOg •
b Pug in the Army and Navy. Recalling the votes given
11. Y prominent members of the Government last Session con-
enlning the lash as a "brutal and degrading punishment,"
the use made of the question by the Liberal party, and
nnecially dwelling on a "disgraceful placard" posted about
avire streets of Birmingham, he insisted that Ministers,
c‘i?R got into power by stirring up the passions of the
residuum," were bound at once to give a clear and
erPlicit declaration of their intentions.

Mr. Shaw-Lefevre, in reply to this, announced, amid much
cheering, that the Board of Admiralty had decided to in-
troduce an amended Navy Discipline Bill next year, in
'Which flogging would be omitted as an authorized punish-
kent.

Sir H. Wolff asked what punishment would be substituted,
and, after some observations from Mr. P. Taylor and Mr.
C'twaY, expressing their gratification at this statement, Lord
Bich° remarked that, though much credit was due to these
gentlexnen, very little was to be attributed to the Govern-
'meat% Mr. Childers brought the conversation to a close by
23811 ring the House that with regard to the Army also the
Government would not flinch from the declarations they had
made in opposition.
Bentinck took the opportunity of repeating his com-
plaint of the inadequacy of our ironclad Navy, which, he
ansisted, had no reserves, and was only sufficient for the
ordinary purposes of peace Lord H. Lennox exhorted the
hew Board not to promise a' grand programme, which they
knew they could not perform- with their present insufficient
staff ; and Mr. Reed, who was disposed to agree with Mr.
Lentinck, especially having regard to the progress of the
French and German Navies made some remarks on the cost
of the non-effective service's, and on the vexed question of
the Inflexible.
~,The House then went into Committee of Supply on the
J-,aval Estimates on which a statement was made by Mr.
Lefevre. The lanai discussion foil-wed, in the course of
Nthich Mr. W. H. Smith expressed his approval of the measures
Contemplated by the Admiralty, and showed that circum-
stances rendered it necessary that we should have a stronger
ironclad fleet than we now possessed, and that its well-contidered extension would be beneficial to the country and a
e and an economical measure.
Oeveral votes were agreed to, and some other business
been disposed of, the House adjourned at ten minutes
to two o'clock.

In the 110tSE OF LORDS, June 8, Lord Lilford asked the
Secretary for Foreign Affairs for information
.as_3,prtotuhs deain•e-
Parted outbreak of cattle plague in the island of U
as to the in taken in consequence thereof. He
m re-.
Karded the question as one of importance, mainly because o
_ t
Tale great increase in the importation of cattle into the
island for the use of the European population. In 1878 there
IT," scarcelY any importation of that kind, but in 1879 a
number of cattle were imported. The Cypriotes
1n ad had an objection to cow's milk, but the cattle
vieque,'„". were frequently used for draught purposes. Con- ,
‘"ulel 5"Y4,,,i,f diseased cattle were imported the disease
Ea 1 tIY spread throughout the island.
•' last yrea;raaville, in reply, said that towards the &lose of
isla
ven nd •e-,a„4ll,°4thre ak of cattle .plague or rinclerpest in the
gi b ellorted to the Government, and orders were
take ,/ t.ne
.pe..__
ivy Connell to the Government of Cy-prus to ,
fect•to a' necessary to prevent the spread of the
n. al y measures
lextliel toGSe orders were carnet •• i ou tin February. Subse-
shte he,
ovemmen-, discoveredthat the cattle plague
tnea,„, °O, the shores of Syria, and:they immediately took ,
4Cyp,73 es to prevent the importation of cattle thence to
Zeee •-•e'd 11, e was glad to hear that a report had since been
L
exteale-a ~.
of !1. which it was stated that there had been no
the disease.ord 13
he b. .urY, in putting a question on the subject of which
pitilitsdt given flOtit
bo e stated that the decision of the Govern-
allow de proposed Volunteer rev
"6-Park had caused much disappointment,
be held
and he
Ped it would be reconsided.
.0t1,...0r.d Morley, in reply, ersaid that,
in a purely military point
:ew, there was no objection to the review being held in
• t "6-Park, but objections so grave had been made to that ropes,i,
the Home Office d and. the Office of Works that
suit al:lleajleo'ctalY: decided against it. If a more
,ei t yG Government
be found for it, the Government
eilro°llllaindggievrethienreevNieoNlvunteer Colonels every assistance for the
Lord IT,, ~,
--r'unge joined in the hope that the Government
'Would
Their Lordreconsider their decision.
Lx o'clock ships adjourned at twenty-five minutes before
s.
zelcriretthaer HOUSE OF CoMIONS, Mr. Whalley asked the Under-
eew
no Yof State for the Colonies, seeing that there was
.ad war between England and the Zulus, and no Act
l
~,. been passed authorizing his detention,. by what
_lege
t',llority Cetywayo was still detained a prisoner in Cape
1 0 Wm.
Mr. Grant Duff, in reply, said that since the conclusion of
the war Cetywayo has been detained by the military aduettho-
rities under the orders of the Home Government, his en
lion being a necessary part of the arrangement made for the
aettlement of Zululand.
In reply to Mr. Whalley, who asked if that was. a lee;a
'. ,%lithoriti? Mr. Grant Duff said—" Yes, certainly it was a
legal authority • hut it would require to be legalized—(a
laugll)—ancl thaict of State will be legalized in the usual
'Way by a clause of indemnity in the Bill before the Colonial
l'arliament."
In answer to Mr. G. Noel, Mr. Childers announcedthat the
tailitary authorities, acting on the report of the Home Office
and the Board of Works, have declined to allow the pro-
llosed Volunteer review to be held in Hyde Park.
Sir W. Lawson asked what truth there was in the rumour
that the Gov
erntnent did not intend to propose any vote to
count
complete the sum of which £5OO had already been taken on
ac for
issioner the salary of Sir B. Frere as Lord High Corn-
In reply Mr. Grant Duff said the rumour was quite accu-
, inasmuch as the functions of rd High Commissioner
iva
Zivaing devol Loved upon Sir G. Colley, who received a large
t the nos T tY for the office the Government did not think it right
aey shoithl
be voted twice over.
Sir xv
ta ~ - • Lawson remarked that there would be no oppor-
.*.l:Y, then, of discussing the position of Sir B. Irere, on
tiff eh alr. D said he would give a reply on this point on
teE• Pr eciraeY:b aSu b seiluently Mr. Courtney asked whether Sir
d
not been relieved of his duties as Lord High
'Wllrnis,ioner before the Estimates were introduced, and
ill tellier he
k did not still continue to hold the same position
3)nft er
-°,'•lthent part of South Africa as before, to which A
T.... ePiled he believed it was so.
0.1,,,
' i from Sir S.
-,,orth --"stone in answer to a questioi
. Meat:ate, ~,i.„ •, Ways
and andth
e
a that a financial resolution on • - Rare, awnr,oll,la be the first business for Thursday,
E-4,ab Bill would follow.
M)
an p .bit s
farair ereY called attention to the grievance of some officers'
w, by the decease of the head in war, lost the
neY that had been invested in the commission.
ssible, and
. . _ Mr. Childe
would rs said he consider the matter as soon as
dotion was wi awn.
15,a lie hoped to find a satisfactory solution. The
. 4thdr
. tht. S. Lei,ght. on. in rising to call attention to the caTe of
' . • la,ooo • '
tisane said that there were 70,000 prisoners in England.
20 in
were Ireland, and 4,000 in Scotland, and all these per-
for" detained by the authority of the State and
. seaersTeasons of public safety-. Edch one of these Pri-
ib„._ he believed was suffering under a feeling of intense
f,..°,ng, vrhether in reason or not. He contended that the
, ari",;o had failed M its duty in this particular,
.; ' ahe'ttitbat it had delenuted its functions to others. lie
..
4,,_ d contend that the remedy for this was the accept-
. • lin° of the doctrine that the care of the insane was a sub-
teL.nof Imp.erial obligation. (Hear, hear.) They had divided
• I,:nt
_sane Into two great classes—the rich and the poor.
I;na,lunatics vvere sent to private licensed houses. That
TV: eon the consequence of the action of the Government.
tiltet t,i,iiddle class and poorer lunatics were handed over to
traaroor T
A -aw and the ratepayers and they were de-
orai„es` into paupers. They were not paupers in the
' . weregary sense of the term. (Rear, hear.) Many of them
hehi i°ll,
ergyinen, men of letters, artists—some even had
ti,„., ia• Majesty's commission. Others were farmers,
eCa'esinen, and skilled artisans. There were 1,000
th4l„cerY Patients, who were highly favoured. For these
kti",;., were three Visitors; but for the whole 09,000 in
'. tv'e4`4ad there were only six inspectors. (Hear, hear.)
. ' teetris,' 333 Chancery patients required for their pro-
atieit °fle Visitor, but for every 10,000 ordinary
the ~,_. there was only one inspector. The duty of
the
thia could not end with that sort of visitation;
,gUardiahip over the insane ought to be some-
lie held that it was inexpedient for the State
1 I;roin 'VI' Private persons to obtain money and advantage
uade„
the maintenance of those who were incarcerated.
[ niatie‘o authority of the State. If a profit was to lie,
!Dente,'" of such a thing, it ought to go to the public and he
i
the whole body of lunatics, and n that way a self-
Jae th,v lug' sYstem might to a certain extent be established.
lnaati_nght the Government might take over all the pauper
beri,_!? asYlUrns of the country, separate insanity from pau-
• eordis. elassifY the asylums, and give accommodation ac-
h
e,,iteMb grades.—After some further observations, the
l'
rer concluded his speech by moving the following
erial eV, :----" That the care of the insane is a subject of Im-
of
the eh_ ~gatton ; that the placing of insane persons, not of
t
et the” Paupers, in the category of paupers on account
k 0t,,,,,rTt
7.,4.unusaantlitz is inexpedient; and that the cost of main-
asylums is an unfair burden upon the rate-
who
tleernv
zahliaerdk
oStteheart
kr. -... .
pointed out that the grievance
;lr , seco?
' d
cotlaad ' I
. ei.
-h-ton was being increasingly felt
• thlet the rnotion.
'tcdsonnd
thee h
gran. s in aia ,_ R t the permanent effects introduced by
41°4' of that k• "
ai.34_ 9.t he;r, but the been
somewhat over-r4od. If institu-
kne' People we,tilinAl were suppord te by taxes instead of rates,
ti
not merely take out of one pocket and put
‘Quel(ll7lo(xrlt in theYfiw4ll d take out of the second pocket more
. i
-nIS77 cOntributions to the amount
' ITt4tl'' 84°1 to OW fillaOrt Ot 11111410 34 tlwk
,•

friends, and, therefore, for instance, the burden oi the
people wonld he inereased at least by that earn. The transfer
of the prisons from the local authorities to the State was
not an encouraging precedent in this ease. When things
were transferred to a central authority they usually be-
came more costly. (Hear, hear.) He, therefore, could net
assent to the motion.
Mr. Selater-Booth said the question of private asylums was
very important, and his honourable friend had mixedlt up
with another subject equally so—whether the charge of the
pauper lunatics was an obligation on the ratepapers or on
the State. Of all the charges thrown upon the rates that
for the maintenance of the insane poor was, in his opinion,
the most Unjustifiable; and it ought to have been protested
against at the time it was proposed. He was not prepared
to go to the length of saying that the control of asylums
should be taken out of the hands of the local authorities;
still, the incidence of the charge upon the ratepayers was, to
a great extent, unjust. •
The debate was continued by Mr. Floyer, Mr. Duckham,
Mr. Newdegate, Mr. Mlaren, and Mr. Hibbert ; and Mr. S.
Leighton having replied, the motion was withdrawn.
Mr. R. Paget next drew attention to the inconvenience of
sending criminal lunatics to county asylums, and to the
necessity for making separate accommodatioq for idiots and
chronic lunatics. As a first step towards carrying out the
reforms lie thought necessary, he moved for a Select Com-
mittee to inquire into the laws relating to the custody and
maintenance of criminal lunatics, idiots, and chronic lunatics,
Mr. A. Peel, in his reply, said it was intended to re-appoint
a committee, partly departmental, appointed by the late
Home Secretary, which would consider the separation of
pauper from criminal lunatics; also the special provision
which ought to be made for the care of criminal lunatics ;
and, further, whether Broadmoor had answered its purpose.
That part of the subject relating to idiots and chronic
lunatics was under careful consideration.
Mr. Pell made some remarks, and Mr. Dodson, in answer
to an appeal from him, promised to communicate with the
Home Office to see whether the scope of the inquiry could
not be extended so as to include the treatment of im-
beciles.
After a few words from Mr. Ramsay and Mr. J. G. Talbot,
the motion was withdrawn.

Mr. O'Shaughnessy called attention to the multiplicity of
duties imposed on the Irish Secretary by the necessity under
which he is placed of representing all the departments of
the Irish Government, and moved a resolution in favour of
transferring some of them to the Law Officers.
Mr. Forster, in opposing the motion, remarked that he
had so much to do that he had no time to consider how it
could be better done, and bore testimony to the industry
and ability of the Dublin officials.
Mr. O'Donnell also opposed the motion, and Lord R.
Churchill asked what was the position of the present Lord.
Lieutenant, to which the Attorney-General for Ireland re-
plied that he occupied the same position as his predecessor.
Sir R. Cross reminded the House that though the Irish
Secretary had the conduct of Irish affairs in Parliament, the
Minister responsible for the government of Ireland was the
Horne Secretary.
Mr. Parnell, Mr. Commins, and Mr. Daly also made some
observations, after which the motion was withdrawn.

Some other business was disposed of, and the House ad
journed at a quarter to one o'clock.