The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1859-04-19 00:00:00

TITESD

The Local Government Nopl.l..mental Bill and the
Confirmation and Probate .tet Amendment Bill were
read a third time and !lA.. Si.

(hi the Ofikr for the second reading of the Consolidated
Fund (Ai,propriation) Bill.
Sir It. I lu.L e;,.. had given notice of him intention to
ask the First 1.0r.1 of the whether he had any
objection to state the cruseii of tin Lite changes in the
Board, e splained hi- reasons for bringing forward the
subject at the present moment, and proceeded to set
forth detain allegations as to the conduct of the First
Lord towards some of the NAVaI Loots—namely, that he
had desired Sir It. Diaries to stand for a particular
borough (lie believed Muter), which Sir Richard de-
clined to do, and upon being urged tendered his resigna-
tion ; that Captain Carnegie was sent for, and urged to
do the Mite thing. but upon going down to Dover, and
hearing whet id,. climices were. he declined to ',tend,
and, after an interview with the First Lord, stated that
he amid not, consistently with lois feelings, continue in
his office, and he actually resigned ; Captain Carnegie
distinctly informing line (Sir S. Hall) by a telegrou, that
this was in consequence of • diautr•Ct of opinion with
the First Lord as to the selection of • place he hoped to
repreeent.
Sir J. PAKINGroN said, that Captain Caniegie had ,
liven salted to accept the vacant at the Ward of Ad.
ninalty with the hear awl dioduct understanding that
lie wan hi enkr the flou,e of Loin 1111 l 114 when required
to ilo so by the Government, said, after cotiaideration,
lie accepted the :oat ujmn those terms. When the Go.
%eminent .1, cited upon a di,sulutton. lie 1,41 r John)
reminded U.sf1111:11: it the omit rtaL i,,and
mentioned I,:orm wi.tia lie had a fat( cloineu. Tit
his surpri-e. I. Captain Carnegie showed hesita-
tion al,l v.ill lit it. and ultimately said he dill not in. an
to total Ow, laming Isis resignation, whirli lie
(Sir dolinj at OH.; accepted, and be professed himatlf
unable to it conic 'lna course with the honourable en-
gageme.it h, hail undertaken. In stating that Sir 11.
l.relic tool been sent to Dover, Sir B. Hall had been mis-
informed ; lac (Sir John) knew nothing of ba going to
Dover until he heard he was there. With reaped to
Admiral Martin, it was true that he had expressed an
int. lanai of eedgiiing ; but this had nothing to do with
a seat in Pailitllnent ; it INN founded upon considerations
uf a la rsonal nature which be did nut teal as liberty to
I state. and lie had revoked his intention.
Admiral I P.M unite made a statement as to the rea-
sun, which hail itehiced him to decline the offer of a
seat at the Board of Admiralty.
Mr. OmaiiuiNr observed that, after the revelations
made by the First Lord as to the political jobbery
going on at the Admiralty, it was impoesible that Par-
liament mid.' leave the Board at it was. No person
could put coutidence in such a.Buard a Admiralty.
. .

The' Cala:ittt.t.ou of the EXCHEHUNI called be at-
tention of the House to a question involving one of the
4 impiirtstit principles of the 4 •oustitutiosi—whether
the Board of .tdiiiiialty ought to be representsal in that
House or not. When questions regarding the adminis-
tration of the navy came before the House, the present
Itiard representedouly byeivilians, were unfairlyopposed
so profes.-awial critioi. It was the interest of the House
of CUIIIIIIUIii that every department should be wk-
./0at...1y sod completely repn,ented there, and he did
not think that any one could he surprised that Her
Majesty's Govermuent shoul I take the earliest uppor.
Lundy of remedying a defect that was injurious to the
public service. He could sulAantiate the statement of
SirJ. Pakington regarding Captain Carnegie.
Sir. G. GREY observed that he believed Captain
Carnegie was is incapable of a breach of any honours.
hie engagement into which lie had enttred as Sir J.
Pakington, who, he hoped, would withdraw the im-
putation he had cast upon him.
After some further discua-iiiii upon this and other
topics, the Bill was read a second time, as well as the
Exchequer-bills Bill.
Mr. H. BERKELEY, in moving for leave to bring in a
Bill to cause the votes of Parliainentaly electors to be
taken by Ballot, went over again his customary line of
argument, expressing his belief that the question depen-
ded upon the constituencies. a. in would eventually
demand, in • voice of thunder, what they now sup-
plicated.
The motion was seconded IT Sir J. SHELLEY.
Mr. S. &EMERY. obser. Mg that he supaased the
st speeches of the mover anal emider were to looked
upon as dropped speeches which were to have been
delivered upon the late inotiiiim of Mr. Wyld, declined
to discuss the subject at 1.14111 in the then state of the
House of Parliament; and an the part of the Govern.
anent, said he should "meet the projosition by a direct
negative._

Sir B. Btrutt.t supported the iw.tion, and mild to
objections offered to the Ballet. 'lle argument of Lord
.1. Russell and Lord Palmerston, be observed, was that
the elective franchise was • truht, and that thaw for
whose benefit it was held had • right to know how the
trust was performed. There was no greater source of
error than arguing from • false or imperfect analogy.
If the elector was a trustee, in the sens of a trusted
law, for whom was he • trustee? He supposed it would
be said, for the non-electors ; then according to the
analogy, the right to the franchise vested in them, and
not in the elector.
Lord J. RUSSELL mid the argument be had always
used was that publicity was the usual rule o/ this free

government. Freedom depended upon • feeling of
independence ; the form of secret ‘oting in France I ol
in...le the voters timid. He should vote against the
motion.
Lord PALUTRPTinf observed that Sir R. Bethell had
cautioned the Hou,e ',gains! :1,4- errors seising from the
use of legal terms, and his sp., di furnished an illustra-
tion of the danger. Persons night he trustees for the
benefit of the nation who did nut conic within the tech-
nicalities of the Court of Chancery. Mr. Berkeley pro-
posed to make secret voting compulsory, and he agreed
with Lord J. that the of England would
not submit to each tyranny ; .;:z.y would disobey and
rebel against such a law. Wh.t. he asked, WM to be
the penalty for divulging the seei..t ? Was it to be fine
or imprisonment f It was trilling with Parliament and
the country to propose such a law, which, whatever
machinery might be employed, would encourage fraud,
falsehood, and corruption. l'ublicity was an essential
element of the British Constitution; whatever public
function was exercised by a man for the benefit of the
nation should be exercised subject to responsibility. If
the protection of secrecy was to be thrown around
electors upon what possible analogy could the same pro-
tection be refused to members of Parliament? He
believed that the system would not work, and that if
it could be enforced it would be tyrannical and incon-
sistent with the principles of the British Constitution.
Mr. A. Mihhs having apoken against the motion, and
Mr. CtIYINGILtIf hi its support, Mr. BUSILST
replied.
Upon • division, the motion was lost by three votes,
there being 102 noes to WJ ayes.
The House adjourned at 10 minutes to te o'clock.