The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-03-23 00:00:00

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also' iold' us that lid' was otily anifi etis ain' sort of
experiment -', 7-ie that' which may b atn6ement• and.
au experiment to him is death to sz.s. We look. upon'
the question: in a very different lisfilS, .--nd we contend
tild stlitss ought to be no experiniettai le,„eislatiOn.
But if it IY ditavojdable that eiperimCnts shotild-bn made
let them be
,confined le small and comparatively unlefr_
portant interests. 'Now, 4'itbl referenbe
-to the beer-
house system, I am anxious to ish6V.', you' the Complete
identity:between that and the present MM/l; and that
titlt.- Refreshment Houses Bill is nothing More er
le;s', than, die' keershottse Bill in its most pernicious
,aspect. The Chaneellot of the ExChe'quer had urged
that the penalties clause 'wodcl have great effect in
restraining, evil results. But You Milsl reilollect 'that
the system of fines is conducted in this bill on precisely
the same principlple as the :beerhouse regulations.
Now.. I am prepared to show that that there' are
nun.bers of I eesshops in ;this town which , have an
a c 'ululation of tines which the magistrates cannot
.recover from them.' These fines are feetttraity"of More
value than' the whole of the property, au in ,ome
.Crises Mase,qual to nearly half the value of, the •frechoid
itself. When; that, the system of fines has been found
'so inoperative and IiSCICES hi one
. caw, 4 it not: dis-
graceful to attempt to palm itpott the country an
extension of the same principles. , • At at Ages
and
police hive -shown us that it is impossible to have a :large
amount or this low trading without its being productive
.or Cinch evil. Does any man think that in opppsing
- this measure we are, actin, to
1... girt quite convinced that
the betishop keepers ?
the licensed victuallers are fie anxions for the welfare
.of others as for their own'; hut this lytil rsii not
only injure our trade, but society ingeneral. - Tei,sreit
v bsseVitient when We consider that it contains the most
objectioeable features of another measure, which has of
itself beat produetive of many bad results: To attempt
fo' palm such a measure upon .the country at this time
is, f hpeaC ii most.t• disgracetal proceeding on the part of
•its promoters anti on I contend that the bill
'ii;not. only objectiotiable in itself, bq giving facilities to
p4sentiof,linproper character to get licensed, but it is
also intfodneed at a most inopportune time. you know
very well that *Hit. censidei!liblv dearer ' now than it
was some time ago, and ycki also know that it is 'allisOst
impossible to geta, pure wine so tia to sell it with any
Profit. • So that, ie point of • fact, it is an imposi-
tion to reduce the duties on . French wines ; it will ,
and it certainly will not
*et benefit the public;
benefit its. With reference to this subject we subniitted
. a propoSsition to the'Clineellor of the Exchequer, which,
:thou-ever, ne ineTtiot thought; proper to adopt. We told
him that there WCte 2,04110 shops( with wine lieenses, '
. and 36,00 without. • if e;pfoyosed to!' make the wine
liecisis compulsory on.these 36,0 M. 'Thus, there woui4
be- so 'noir a;d4itiend- licenses, the number- of which .
would be quite suificidit to' tify the experiment uOit-at
first. It would, besides, hate • iiitiele . a handsome
additions to the revenue,' while it woUltriOl ess.,much
hurt the licensed victualler as the other schetneS, _ Thal
scheme, as 'we well ,know, will be highly injuriou'ln our
own,mrteresto.: Dot I want this meeting to -confine
itself to to fad thwt the measure is simply an extension
of the pernicibtis hhe'Ssisesto:. system: Now' let us drill
this fact into the heads of (be'wiembers of Parliament,
and I feel sure it will do great good' tee our. cartse. Mr.
Danson then proceeded to point out rttanf Oth'es reascrns.
, '
why, the Bill should be opposed. He then referred tes a '
• statrmentthat had beeu.drawn up from the police statistics •
Iliff this lserongh, - This statement showed that in-last
year only f d of the licensed victuallers out of iik6
were fiffed, if allYtllltig 'wag- wanting -to support the'i lesVectabilqy. of thetictialletsf .ho thou this state-
r.:ittaii'iati qtige sidtcient to stipplT:is. compare this
'With the bectithops : out of 770 informations daring the
same year,, 428, .or mote than half. were - convicted.
Could'stronnr arguments than Moe fie chi-dittoed to con-
. -Vince theZiernment of the low cliaractem- *he- cent.
pie& such places, and the great harm WhiCitsin &tension
of the same thing must inevitably produCeS The same
' statententshowed that there were 178 public-houses known
of thieves and prostitutes.
to the perlie's to' he: he resorts
But, he waiiitraelif Whegate, them a license, and continued
it from year to year. Whd but the magistrate*---the very
individuals who,. by this Refreahnient AL t
J, were expected
.to tender objections on the .score . of %Morality against
-
applicants:! From these facts it must be evident that
the licensed victuallers were the most reputable indi-
vidnals.in the whole trading community; bearing in
' mind also., timed all others they are the most closely
rtatcheth . Ihe statement view on to show that there
6d.beeihoitses and 46 toffeesshops-resorted to by thieves
.prostitutes. If this wets the ease now. what svos-.ld
and s,
it be when, instead of I.6o*ff of 1,100,:. there would be
3,000 or 4,000 of them ?. What an additional amount
- ..11
ofpuiblic axpenditire would it not. require tei.Vrope y
superintend these places ? But he believed their case
was 411W-strong enough wittint theit- eimsiderifions.
The great point to impress upon the public/was, that
this bill'Avould virtually, extend the beershoP system in
its most pernicious shape. He would not ask them. to
Opp* the keneral interests- of society, but he would
aSk thenitii Oppose this measure, which was not' only
injurious to their estils interests, but highly pernicious to
society in general.
1 Mr. Lusin seconded, the motion,
,and it was carried
by acciamation.• - • -
The petition, of Which' a copy will. be seen in acts
advertisement columns, was next read by the secretary ;
after which, - ..
Mr. ALL/SON moved—" That the petition just read be
adopted by this meeting, that it be forwarded to the
borOugh mothers for presentation, and 'that they be
fespectfullyreqiiested to support the same."
The ilieltioii was. seconded and carried unanimously.
Mr. ATEIINSO maven the n'ext resolution, which was
—" That this tpeirnit; iitiftb? Jii6d?..es 'Well, to use all
legitimate means to prevent the Sit-id bill p.ssiigiuto
lavS; and that these resolutions, with/ the 'petition,
ebe advertised in the daily papers." He had eft-044
himself in, London on their behalf, and would con-
'line his remarks to that part of the subject which
Was disouseed • there. With reference to the effect
of the measnre, it had been so' ably dealt with by Mr.
Damson that he could say no Mete on that part of the
subject. They might, however, like to km).* something
,of the character of the man with whom they had tOdeal,
He eould'tell' thern that the Chancellor of the Exchequer
had pesitiVely ststired them he had no intention to take
any advantage of theM in paint of time. But this had
not been the case. The hill was not in the hands of the
members of the Roue of Commons..until Friday morning,
and on Monday night- the second reading was moved.
This was clOne in spite of ~repeated assurances to the
contrary. So far, indeed, was this the case, that so late
45 ten o'clock on 'Monday night they received an assurance
Ithat iti• iecond'seadines would not be moved' that night.
I Fearing Jest the contrary should be the case, they per-
suaded'Mr. James to remain and oppose the motion,
should it be brought forward. Their anticipations
turned out coil ect,' for Shortly before eleven o'clock that
nisht Mr Lain • -
, . • g moved the second reading. of the bill.
Mr: Jame-
', opposed the bill, and succeeded,'' after much
diaicalty, in getting it • dt F ••cl
the great considerationP they had •d '
,
receive from the
Chancellor of
the Exchequer. He thought that Mr.
Gladstone had never
hen -he assumed that
committed greateraof6,s 4fallacy, than
drink French wines': Ilse' country' -would
_ t was,, that France hat
very- little surplus w' ine-- to export. The Chancellor of
the Exchequer'
so cheaply, the', consumption would -.1) 'z'a d'• millions to thirtyssix million- would he
h• Ise .front six
happen ? They knew that tbehin•lieLf -1 ow could this
drink more wine' because of its cheapness,casse!
would
"
neither Would
the middle class, while the lower orders would: always
prefer beer•-toswine. They might wonder
house should listen to so fallacious an ar,suni that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had resorted to flt
as the
foTwarel and suppertins, the, bill'; bra:, as on in bringing
Parliament had said, he _believed...oo,ja e meinber of
anything for Mr. Glutiztono,-4p.chiChe worn -to winter of
to transport the licensed SsiridatierYs for ten rear;, the
houses-amid immediate)y tranapert 'Em foi. '... t e
Ile ts?iiicludcd by urging: the necessity ' for • • tri Y.
ltnrne Lately
opposing the measure. .. ..
The motion was secondediand 'carried.
. IL., csenrge Howe mweed; and Mr. Coward seconded,
"'That the best thanks of this meeting . be., given to the
Chairman, for hissvaluable services in presiding."
The. meeting conclitded • With a vete of thanks to
Messrs., Danson, Atkinson, and H. Lumb, for their
valuable services to the trade whilst in London.

LIVERPOOL POLICE COURT.---171STEftDA Y.
• (Before Mr. RthUs.)'- - •
COTTON STEALING.--William Waugh. marine store
de;iler,'"Williain Bibby. and Thomas Bibby, labourers,
were charged with stealing a bale of cotton, the property
oflfr. Edward Eccles. The' eotton was taken from a
cart between Bramley-Moore Dock and Paisley-street
Yesterday, and conreye.l to Warigh" s storehouse.. -Police-
constables .Layeock and Patrick saw the offence com-
mitted. The hag containing. the cotton was-marked
"E. E.- . The prisoners were remanded till to-day.
Strhf W-EA it I 'lt@ rA Er - 7--fliVabeth Williams
was brought up 'on 'three charges of 'sttaling wearing
appall]: Three coats, three trousers, and a waistcoat
were.stolen from a box-in the house of Richard Barnes,
where at one time. the prisoner lodged.. The goods
belonged to men who are at sea. Shoes, shettsrand
nine AO articles were stOlen from George Burton, 9,
Ch'etipSicle,. Where the prisoner lodged from the 3rd to
the-,19.th: of March: -Rosanna, washerwoman, lost also
a quantity of shirts. - All these articles were fotind in
various pawnbrokers'', shops. The prisoner was sent for
trial. .
THE MOCK-AUCTION SYSTEM AGAIN.--bne of the
"sweeteners" at. the Byrom-street auction-rooms,•named
Peter McGrath, a gaudily-dressed' fellow, was brought
up on it charge of conspiring to defraud, &c. The
prisoner', it appears, was in court at the time of the
trilial of his colleagues on Tuesday. Mr. -Kehoe ordered
'an officer to secure him, and lie immediately vaniSbed.-
Aniafflcer'diseovered him, however, in 'an .auction-room
in Park:lane on' Wednesday
,evening, about half-past
nine o'cloCk. The door of the room was closed on the
approach Hof the constable ;' - hut he Managed, however,
to secure the',prisoner and take him toluideWell.
McDonnell, the peiaon who bought the watch at the
Byrom-street auction-rooms mid-day on
--Saturday,
identified the prisoner ,as one of the sweeteners" in
attendance.. Mr: Snowball. appea'red on behalf of-the
prisoher, who was remanded untifTuesday. •
STEALING A WATCH.—Elizabeth Ell, illy, domestic
servant, pleaded guilty to a charge of itealing a watch
from a dwelling 'house, the property of Margaret Par-
nell. The prisoner. lodged:at the housc.—Sentenced to
bur months imprisonmen'.
JAW BREAKING. Blas Herr Ricalda, a Spaniard,
mate of -the Victoria, was put upon a charge of breaking
the jaw of Elizabeth Westwater, an unfortunate wothan,
living at 3. Norlinrv-street, a house of ill fame. On
the night of the 10th. of 'March, about half past twelve
o'clock, the woman was, endeavauring to got the prisoner
from Linie-street into her house, against his will. She
wa.s,,drunk; .and fell CM the street She got up again
and followed the prisoner,. Who struck her in the face,
her, with the ground. . !Her jaw was broken.
A 'surgeon attends her, and she remains in a very pre-
carious state, no hopes being entertained of her recovery,.
prisoner was remanded. •
• (Before Messrs. lli7TcnisoN and BENN.)
r 'UNWHOLESOME Mrar.—WilliardKelly, for exposing
66 unwholesome veal for sale in St. Martin's
Market, was fined 40s. and costs., George Redwood, for
&nosing for sale `,5 Mi.. of unwholesome beef in St.
James's Market, was fined 20s. and costs. Johtr Ntitten
, ,for oNposing for sale in St. John's Market, a' quantity
FAA Unwholesome flukes, was fined .20s. and costs.
WAGES CA SE. —Nasi Rosario, a man of colour, sum-
moned P. 0. Brien, captain of the Fort William, for
for.,wages. Claimant was engaged as steward on
the 1901 of day for a .voyage to India, at £3 ss, per
itnonth:"-litss. had been advanced; and the claimant
admitted having received 14 rupees also. For the
defence it was submitted that the claimant bad been