The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1868-09-29 00:00:00

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CHURCH & STATE MEETING.

There was a large and Influential &numbly at the
Corn Exchange, on Thursday last, of the friends of the
Constitution In Church and State, in the county of
Derail, for the purpose of protesting against the threat.
toed lhoestabliabtrient and Dimendownient of the Irish
Branch of the United Church of Busload and Ireland.
The meeting was convened in pursuance of a requisition
signed by nearly 400 of the principal clergy and laity of
the county. Between 700 and 800 were present, and
the proceedings were marked by great enthusiasm.
The chair was occupied by the Right Hon. the Lord
Digby, of Minterne House, who was supported by the
Right Hon. the Earl of Eldon, 84 W. C. Medlyeett,
Bart., H. Gerard Start, Esq., M.P., John Floyer, Esq.,
M.P., G. D. Wingfield DightlEsq., Sir Molyneux
Nepous, Bart., G. W. Ferrer, „ Bev. Prebeedary
Bond (Grangsj, Rev. R. G. yea, Rev. George
Thompeon,Marwood S. Yeatsian,Faq.,B. L Iladeralay,
Req., C. .1. T. Hombre, Esq. Major R. Frampton, Rev.
Prebendary Talbot Baker (lhaston), kc, Amoeget the
audience we obsemed-Rev. Mr J. E. Phillipps(Ommiag•
ton), Lient•CoL Paget, Col. J. P. Maud, J. C. Manse],
Foq., Lieut•OoL Steward, Rev. Prebendary Ouslow
(Wimborne Minster), Ray. H. Jecour (Portland), Capt.
Fyler, R. P. Fetherd.onhangb, Req., Hon. Henry
Walpole. the Hon. IL Douglas, the Hon. W. Beet, Rev.
J. Truman (Minterrie). R. Marker, Esq., A. B. Foster,
Esq., W. Eliot, Esq., Rev. G. Phillipps (V7infrith) and
Mrs. PhlllippitEm. R. G.Watmon (Dorchester) and Mrs.
V7atsou,'llsom, Rawlinaßsq., Rev. W. C. Templer(Borten
Bradstack), B. H. 0. iteld,Faq., and Kra. fiwaffield,
G. Andrewa,Esq„and G. Arden Esq., (Wepeouth),Rev.
J. H. Marten (Tarrant Keynsto'e), Rev. Melville Lee and
Rev. G. F. Brown (Bridport), G. Worry, Req., General
Shirley, Rev. W. Eliot (Compton), Rev. Philip F. Eliot
(Bouranneuth)and Mrs. Ellot.Rev.lir. McOormiek,Rev.
J. W. NealaCept Yeatman, W. Ffooks, Esq. (C)erk of
the Pesos). Rev. C. S. Milan (Broadwinso.), Rev. .J.
D. Addison (Weymouth), Rev. J. H. Carnegie
(Cranborne), Rev. 3.5. Cox, Rev. J. R. Cr.. (Oyer-
Isicrigge). Bee. T. It Mulkey (Dorchester), Bev. It
Ludlow (Martinstown), J. Tregonwell, Esq. Arthur
Martin, Req. Rev. W. Meta (Sbafesahury). ifs% J. B.
Quirk (fßandford), Rev. 3. Wyoeteen Outs"
Mandeville), Rev Henry Rawittare. feegioneaberch
Bev. J. Miller (Dorchester), Rev. H. E. Revolts'
(Rockland Newton), 0.3. Andreae, E.g., (Dorchester).
Rev. F. A. Baker (Godmanstone) J. H. Deleeuw,
Egg.. Rey. W. Barnes (Cams), it.;. B. la Watme
(l)orches:ter). Rev. H. Pigou (Wyk. Regis). Roc. ['-
Monte (Fordington), Rev. F. Motile (Fordington), Rev.
Prebendary Watts, Rev. J. Mud (Bineomb4., Colonel
Dighy, J. Bond, E.g. T. Bond, Req., Rev. W. Waldy,
C. Dale, Esq., H. C. Req.,
Esq., Rev. W. Gooddee
(Over Cameleer), IL Williams, Emq., E. W.
Esq., Rev. A. Hill (Portland) Rev.
J. L. Nash (Telpeddlet J. Fellowes, 0., J.
Templemitn, Esq.. Rev. J. H. Chowne ( ether.
bury), Rev. F.. May (Allington), Rev. C. P.
Phinn (Criterion! More), J. Golpin, Ear., If. Lock, Esq.,
G. Mayo, Esq., H. Cockeram. Fail., W. Cockerame, Esq.,
Rev. C. J. ltini (West Fordingten), Rev. H. B. Williams
(Bradford), Rev. John Acton (I werne Minsto!), Rev. A.
Marriott (Redipole), F. C. Steelton, E.g., W. E. Brymer.
Req., Rev. R. Fanjuharsoe (Langton), Rev. R. 8. Copal
(Warehem), Rev. T. 1.. Montefiore (Catherston Lew-
°don), Rev. H. B. Visaed (Spettiabery), L Barnett,
Esq. (Dorchester), Dr. Cowden, T. Ponies, Idah. Rev.
T. W. Knipe (II oodsford) and Mrs. Knipe, Rev. J.
Evans ffserchestert Rev. IL, W. Plumptre (Cone
Mullen), Rev. J. Stephenson (Weymouth), r r. Smith,
Dr. Moorhead, H. Bower, Fro. Rev. J. Bleanerhassett
(Ryme), M. Devenish, 1. Ensue. Req., Rev. A.
Bhirlev (stlnsferd), Rev. S. Hobbs (Compton Abbas),
Me. r3birley, Rev. T. W. Birch (Cbuilberne), Rev. J.
Abbott (Stoke Wake), Mr. H. Abbott, Rev. H. Roper
(Puddlehinton), N. flood, Esq., Rev. H. and Mrs.
Rotharoley, Mr. and Miss Laurance, T. DansaY,
lira, Denary, J. Saunders, Ear.' Miss Baker, Mr. and
the Misses Symenda, C. Smith, Fair., J. Farquhareon,
Esq., J. E. Bridge, Esq., Rev. J. Penney (Steepleten
lwerne), Misses Bond, Miss Arden, Rev, H. Dowdily.
J. Tudor, Esq„ G. Crime, Esq. (Mayor of
Dorchester), Rev. Mr. Higbee., Rev. V. Hark-nese
(St. (liles), H. 8. Archer, Esq., John Radclylfe
I•yon, E.q., Rev. J. T. Hinds (Pelham), klm
Cot. Mural, Mrs. Dale, lira. Bird, Mrs Prevost, Mrs.
Truman, Mrs. Eliot, Mrs, Andrews, Rev. J. G. Kelly,
Rev. U. J. Green (Wieterborne), Rev. J. W. Shelton
(Chiloombe), Andrew Tucker, Ear., Hon. arid Rev. A.
Spring Rice (Ni therbury), It. Farquharson, jun., E.q.,
Major Clspoitt, Rev. A. Elton (Bucklirod Newton),
Rev. R. Pinckney. (Chilfrome), Rev. A. H. Bull Wein*
Abbas), Rev. W. F. Tregarthen, Mr. J. Dames. Mr.
J. Hick., Mr. Levi Groves, Mr. Woodhosse. Mr. W. C.
Good, Mr. J. Rawlins, (Beuminster), Ilr. R. Congo, Mr.
F. Mills, Mr. J. Freud, Mr. W. Vernon, Ms. Olive, Mr.
J. Kent (Pewlish), Mr. Crane, Mr. C. Hansford, jun.,
Mr. C.. Case, Mr. John Pope (d)nrondabury), Mr. G.
Ilawkins, Mr. Norris Roper. Mr. John Caine', Mr. J.
Lick, Mr. Walls, Mr. G. S. Miller, Mr. A. J. Pitlield
(Eyrie), Mr. James Fry, Mr. H. Bridle, Mr. 11. N. Cox.
Mr T. Nortliover, Mr. John linemen, Lieut. Wore,
R.N., Mr. F. 11. Fooks, Mr. It. Cox, Mr. Richard
Grow, I, Mr. .1. Dunham, Mr. G. Samson, Mr. G. F.
Chick. Mr. J. C. Raker, Mr. Isaac Haines, Mr. A. Hull,
Mr. W. Maley, Mr. A. Good (Itridport). Mr. Willis,
Mr. James Craig Mr. Greening, Mr. Stroud, Mr.
Goldring. &a. A number of ladies were also
acceurmodated with seats in the gallery, whilst there wee
• good sprinkling of the fair sax among the audience.
Lord Diouf, in opening the meeting, said: This
meeting, I need not tell you, has been called by the
friends of the established church to protest agaiast the
measure that is about to be brought before Parliament
for the dieertablidunent and the dieendowment of the
established ohms+ In lireund iri ins opinion,
and I ;above in that el the majority of gentlemen whom
I now Address, likely to be fraught with danger to the
est ibliabed church of this kingdom, to the rights of pro-
perty, and irk direct violation of the Act of Union with
Ireland. and if carried it will not gain the objet for
which its promoters intend it, viz., the tranquility of
Ireland, but upon the contrary will arouse feelings-
the bitterest 1. clings of party enmity amongst some of
the most loyal .1 Her Majesty 'a subjects in Ireland, vii.,
tiro Prots•tants, and I may add the Protestant daunt.
ere, numbering at the loot census no less than 192,000
individuals --no small number in the population of Ire-
land. I sin not going to say there are not anomalies in the
established church that do cot require reformz-(hear,
bear). There are. and I am sure that there is no well.
wisher of the establishment here present who would not
wish to see them dope away with. Having said me
much, I must leave the discussion of this important
que.tion in the hands of those gentlemen to whom the
rcsolutionm are entrusted, only requesting that all pres-
ent will protest to the utmat of their power against
the disestahlishment and disendownient of the Irish
church, as I feel eonviered that it is only the fore-
runner of more dangerous changes-(loud chum).
MR. GERARD sTr. Hr. a. P., who was greet, d with much
applause, said lord Dishy and gentleman: It Ims often
Iron soy lot to be pruent in thle exchange, and to
address bodies of my friends, neighbours, and tarn.
stituents from its platfottu, but, never can I call to
mind an occasion of greater, and I may say, of more
solemn importance, or • question of 'rester magnitude
or gravity, than that question which so ere here
convened together this afternoon to deliberate upon
and to discuss-)hear, hear). According to the custom
.041 the usages of that free country in which we have
hail the good fortune to be born, we are assembled here
this day-and I ani glad to see all dames, and I must
odd the fairer sex-(cheers) -so ably represented in this
hall, to protest in firm, in conciliatory. but, at the
same time, in dignified language ardent an act of what
we murder to he cruel injustice towards a
large body of our fellow religionists in the sister king.
dom-(hear, hesr)-and against • scheme, which, if
carried out in its entirety, we, in our coneriences,
believe, will deal a serious, if not a fatal blow, to Pro-
testant ascendoncy in this kingdom. An attack. and
they may ray what they like, br.s been mule for purely
party purrs .v-(cheers and hisses)-upon the esta-
blished church in Ireland, a church as much beloved
and reverenced in that country as she is In our.; and,
as we are well aware, large and frequent majorities have
endorsed that policy in the House of Commons ; but,
I would fain trust and believe that that msjority of
the !louse of Commons does not fairly and legitimately
represent the majority of the voice of the nation -(heart
That gelation bus been ably and fully ventilated in both
houses of legislature, and how grandly, bow consistently,
how superbly, in the House of Lords, for I will defy any
man to read the speeches of Lord Cairns and the Arch.
hi chop of You without feelings of pride. And if .0 could
only persuade those upon whom the legislature has
recently bestowed the franchise, instead of listening to
the declamations of itinerant demagogues end revolu.
tionists-(mech cheering and array hisses)-if they
would only read that debote, and do. what I should
hope they are capable of doing, viz., judge for them•
selves, then I believe thcvoicvof ihcm.ijor,ty of the nation
would reverse the verdict of the present Housed Commons
(loud applause). Now let me call the attention of the
ireatino Co the language and it,. srentrients n0..1 by tha
supporter. of this policy. I always notice that the
supporters of that policy invariably commence their
ereech, in the &AMP manner; they all sing to the same
tune • whenever they addrees their audiences they begin
in this any "1 appear before you, say they, "es a
firm aeherent and amens') supporter of that church in
which I wee b..rn"-(lsushter)-stid haring delivered
thenrulves of these gushing mentiments, they in.ine-
diately at to work, and in speeches couched in the
most violent language, argue and insist upon tha imme-
diate awl total and complete annihilation, extinction,
and destruction of that very church In one quarter of
realm (cheers). And now for one moment let me bring
you to their arguments. not hut that they are well
known to you, I know then, by heart, and indeed I
ah..uld say they were stereotyped on the minda and
brains of everybody. They proceed as follows :-
" There are only troo,imio Protestants in Ireland, san
anything be more outreg•mut The feeling,and the
wishes of msjoritT should be consulted on that subject."
Now with that I join Issue. I ney if that doctrine be
carried out and persevered in, it will be to the peril,
and the danAer of the best and meet res....a
stitutions of the land, because, and I woulduk anybody
who knows anything about Ireland, yen, it ta astAitted
if you appeal to that country • vast majority arm he
in favour of the repeal of the union-(hear. luso, Are
they prepared to endures that policy 1-(ohinen). It nat
where is their argument? ff not where is their lsgi
Rat I take my stand noon • higher ground than tissx,•
and I say it is the bounden duty of all Christian riders to
extend Christ's true religion, which is the Protestant
religion, throughout all rands end states our which they
ruk, Aid n"ll one word ma to Protestaratism. I taw
It to my mind very well explained the other day, at all
events I agree with it that Protestantism is this-mac
may forgive crime but man eannot remit sin-(hear.
heart And I believe if that was accepted as the simple
intrepreution of Protesturtiman that is itself would be •
buliserk of strength to that abuts\ which we all
reverence, and which we are determined as far ma in our
posse lies to foster, cherish, and preserve-(apPleues).
But. to go on with their argument. • they may how SUP
fair to make the Roman Catholics subscribe toe religion
with which they do not agree. Now I meet that charge
with • direct denial. I say that this Roman Catholics in
Ireland do not pay towards it -(elwers). The r
of the astabl:slied attune ia Ireland are C. 500,000 • year ;
zathouo of that is radii in tithes by Protestant landlords.
That leaves £lO,OOO ; and of that I rather think £lO,OOO
goes to Maynooth and tre ether klO,OOO to the Rectum
Limuna ; therefore I think the Boman Catholic. on that
seore have nothing very much to 000001411111 of -(bear,
hoar, and ebeers), Now the meeting will perceive that
I have esdeavenredam far as In my power Des, otter the
PAIR* isi gay sails Wad, Ss *Awls' la es ,

mall • etelaPsei is I am the observations I have
had to make. I have abstained from anything
to the shape of personal abuse, beoanse I am tionvin
that Um Pelormal abase of great men—and, although the
origieator of what we consider is • mischievous poliey,
who out deny that Mr. Gladstone is enable and an
eminent mull— (ohears)—instrad of furthering our tame,
endangers our object,and tberdore,belps em opponents.
Now before I rWre, I will, if you will allow me for a
inmate, sketch est That' onsider to be the hest mime
of our campaign. We isn't deny the feet that
great anomalies:id in the Irish Chunk, Let us not
then foist the lag of no surrender so far aa the church
mists at the preheat moment in that coantry. A Royal
Commission is you ire well aware has beat sitting on
the subject, and I mete most honourable and eminent
member of it when abroad, Sir Joseph Napier, end he
told mo that great anomalies did exist, there
could be no doubt in the matter, and they were
going to send in a report which would
cut off many dignitaries and many benefices. sod the
claw must be prepared for mush dump Led ham to
yield much en d freely. lisp then let no rally round
the basis of that report, and let our mak, be short
simple, sod omeho, Ma., alteration and amelioration
if you like, but not apoliation and confiscation —pooh
*bearing). Let us then as one man rally r°,_,!°„„tbe ,„„„e
motto. lat es umheattle our sword'; bee."'
armour to light, and—let me eupYisffilm" that with
another obeerraticn—to vietce7r bemuse we are
fe
engaged in a lett. righteous, and noble muse ; r
moat =toe eati be more noble, wbM emu's ma be were
causet then the
right4oorliarstesend wtanhai t
aosecnumnduannel beth!:trboreelr
kiegdom—(load Matra). The regelattoo I have to Pro Pose
Is this :
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Hideo, egabliehed law . long boO,
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—flood applause).
3fr. DA). DIGBY, of Shorts:woe Castle.
seconded the resoluthn. He mid that he wee glad to
bags the opportunit3 of Pretesting against that un-
righteous, uncionstitutonaLunholy, and suicidal measure
Oladahowesprolosal to disestablish and disendow
the Irish church—(ailure). It Is unrighteous because
we have by matinsind legislation for 300 tec—lirst by
the Alltutt/ement le Ulstar,and by en uent Acta
—lode Protestants to establish themeless Ireland,
and to their interests there,with the understanding
that they erre to have their elnuch establishment ; but
by the proposed measure It was sought to torn them
adrift, and have nothing more to do with them. It Is
unoonstitational, Itseense the Irish Protestant church is
• fundamental part of the coostitutima. It is unholy
Weenie contrary to the law of God; connection with an
utablehment tended to the lumpiness, gauges, and
well•being of stata• It is saloidd. because such •
measure would be dealings heavy blow to Protestantism,
would encourage Roman Catholicism, and aid the dis-
establishment of every kind of property in the country.
He then referred to the language of etateemen years ago
on this question, and quoted the following statement ot
the Right Hon. Anthony IL Blake. chief remembranose
In the Court of Exchequer, under Lord Wellealey's
Admini.tratirn, be being • Roman Catholic
The Protat.nt Church Is rooted in the Ormstitution it to
established by the f undamental Immo( the realm; it Is rendered,
as far as tie mat ailemn am of the larblsture egt. =der any
Institution, fundsinental and perpetual; it is so declared by the
Act of Union between Great Britain and Ireland. I think It
could not now be disturbed without danger to the general
securities we peeca for liberty, property, and order—without
danger to all the bleedug• we derive from being under • lawful
government and • free conetitution. Feeling thus, the very
omscienee bich dictatnt to me • determined adherence to the
Homan Cathie religion would dictate to me a determined
resist•nce to any attempt to subvert the Protestant Establish-
ment, or wresting from the church the poessmions which the
law has given
He went on to observe that doing away with the
Irish church would not "pacify Ireland," and quoted the
following extract from a circular issuing from a meeting
of the Tenant Right Society in the county of Heath,
attended by the Roman Catholic bishop, the Vicar.
General, and signed by two Roman Catholic primate:
The nor, the great, the sole question for Ireland, is the
land ,raestion ; ..ther agitation., such as that egainst the
Eetablolied church, me got up for party purp.e., would
infuse an rienient of bigotry into the already sufficiently
disturlad relations between landlord and tenant, would effect
the ruin 1 Owns-Ands of tenants, and precipitate that social
catutrophe am Ore anxious to avert"
In conclusion be said there were some who said they
could not join in that meeting, because of their party
views. What did these gentlemen mean? Did they
mean to say that they valued their Protestant
religion an little sato pet it uide fora party movement?
Were they arrived at that pcint when mon could avow
in • Chrittian country that they would throw over
their church and the serving of their God, human they
were *ening their party ?—thear, boar, aod applause.)
Ile only trusted there would be such an expression of
feeling go forth trim that hall to-day as would make
many such men stagger and doubt before they would
go and give their votes for the support of a measure of '
this character—(lood cheers).
The resolution was then put and carried with but six
or seven dissentients.
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The llov. REGINALD Sirrre, of West 'Stafford, Geld
that he bad received letters from Lord Riven and
the Hon. W Rest, on behalf of bis father, Lord
Wyndham, expressing sincere regret that they were
unable to he preen*. Be had also reeeived .communica-
tion from a gentleman well-known and respected, the
Rev. C. W. Bingham, and be meetioned him became
be had been known all his life is &consistent supporter
of the Liberal party ; he had written strongly to express
his disapproval of the nurse of policy Mr. Gladstone
bad inaugurated—(aoplanne). lie had also received a
strong letter from Mr. Cartwright, • well-known and
highly respected magistrate In the western part of
the county. He would read a letter front Arclideaeon
waa b...ief and to. the point—

r I olv,u1:1 have toss very glad to !mess mews • hoinhte part
in the pnweedings of the Important meeting at Dorchnter
neat Thursday. If thie were a matter of party politic., I
.11.dd hale cared very little to to present; but In my Intranet
Inert I !relieve that the dirostabliMmeut of the Church of
Inland mould I.lneally snd Feuer eventually entail the die—
ertabliMment of the Church of England; and also the naiad u
tin of the Popish •upremacy for that of our Queen in Ireland;
frau which sho.dr.us clusnge may God to His
m Toy defend the United ElnOom ! ! With such a comic-
ti.ds I should have been I.roud v. hare lifted up my earning
protest against this dreadful scheme.'
Mr. Jona PLrsillt, M. l'., who was received with cheers,
.eld: Lord Digby, ladies, and gentlemen—ln moving
the resolution entrusted to my care, I would beg to
rapier my great regret—ted in that regret I un sure
this large meeting will cordially join—at the absence of
the noble peer (Lord Rivers), who was to have moved
the reaolution. Lord Rivers haa from the first and
throughout—as my good friend Mr. Reginald Smith has
said—taken • warm interest in the objects of our
meeting to-day, and he would, if not prevented by
unavoidable banner ic another quarter, have been here
and moved the resolution which now I unworthily hold
in charge. I would—as well as my honourable colleague
(Mr. Gerard Start)—exprias, in moving this resolution,
the deep sense I entertain of the gravity—end the vast
importance—of the question for the consideration of
which we are assembled. That question would indeed
have called for our deepest and most mature deliberation
even had it only referred to the sister branch of the
abash in Ireland; but he must, indeed, be a blind man
—blind to all natural results, and, am Archdeacon
oit.hle says, to all logical inferences and coring uennan
who does not i.e that this attach upon the church of
Ireland does involve and materially involve the Interests
of the church in this portion of the kingdom
(applause). I know eery well that I, in common with
other., shall be open to the blame of many for this
assertion. They my that we are to friends of the
English church who advance such vies.. I fully main-
tain that the church in England, thank God, rests upon
a much larger basis and muoh wider considerations Into
even the church in Inland ; but, still, the name prin-
ciples are involved in both questions ; and though I !
would hardly go the length of the opinion of Arch-
deacon Hu:table, that the fall of the one will necessarily
involve at sane future day the fall of the other branch
of the church, I do Ray this, teat it behoves us as
attached members, devoted followers, of the church of
England to do all we ce.n to maintain the sister institu-
tion in the other portion of the empire : and, my lord,
there is one other consideration which I think may call
upon us to weigh well tho course upon which we are
invited on such great eminence and authonty to enter.
So far as I know, this a the first time since the great
usurpation, when the crown of England was rolled in
the dust, and tte church was imperilled and grievously
&fleeted by the legislative proceedings of that day—
this is so far as I know, the first time that any greet
party numbering, no doubt, eminent and able men In
Its ranks, • party aspiring to lead the 00=1011.1 and to
rule this great country under their Sovereign—this, I
say, so far as I know, is the ant time that an attempt
has been made to pillage and to destroy—as my
honourable colleague observed—one of the fundamental
institutions in church and state. Those inanition', no
doubt, have on many previous aneasiona been called In
question : measures deeply affecting them have at
various times been brought forward—we have had
Roman Catholic Emancipation, we have bad the great
,isseatiea of Iteform in 11131, and again lea year and in
previous years, but thine measures were all for the
strengthening, the enlargement, the building up of our
institutions—they were for the admission to political
privileges of those who had been before eseluded—they
were to build up and not to destroy—to maintain and
not to itholish—(eppleneet That ia the principle, as I
understand it, of this measure which is brought forward,
and 8o completely is it the oars that when I ask them
what is it you propose to put in the room of the
church which is to be abolished in Ireland? their reply Is
"We have none; there is nothing!" When we ask
them what are you going to do with the revenues of the
church the answer is "We don't know"—(cheers).
But, my lord, there is one consideration. that, I think,
amonget much to discourage, is somewhat of an
eneouragiiig nature. It has been admitted by most-
ly many of our leading opponents—tuia, I believe, been
denied by none—that in this assault—for I Can call
it no other name upon the constitution
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oU—cou-n-try--, tlu-bC-rden of Proof—the onus proboadi
lies entirely with tho assaal tang party.— (cheers). And
we sun hardly be umriaed at our op eats being obliged
to make this adonerdon—a title of i I 'ears is one that
in this country, hitherto at least, bee not been held
should be dealt triflingly or lightly with : not that I
limit the title of the ehureh to its properties to that
period of time; furl bare been told by those most
competent to form an opinioe—by thou who have
' inveatigated the question of charob property in Ireland,
that the property of the church there, to a very large
extent at least, has been the property of the Unroll
over anos the time when Cluistanity was first introduced
Into the eountry- (applause). It is no &num to amp,
when we bring forward this argument that during a
portion of that time the church property belonged to
the Roman Catholic chureh—(cheers). The property 01
the &lurch in Ireland was devoted to religious purposes
long before the authority of the Roman Catholic chars&
wu known in l4pgg When Ireland
beams subject to Ragland, &sdwas then • Roman
Catholic mantr, ; t
resolved that the eh erms existed at that time
in Ireland should he the Roman
catholie church, like the church of thereat of the isar+cu.
but, the same authority whielt wee able to eaforce sad
lay down that law, was, at least, squaffy esonspeteat at
the teem of the blessed Rdermatto•—(ebeers)—to say
that the church, via., the amen of the natios.
should throw off the errors and abases el Popery, and
that it would adopt the Reformed religion thranheid
the whole of the British donslnione—(essawa)
observed, my lord, that the burden of peva his with
theamailants of oar institutions, and I would *endue
ash what are the grounds upon which they propose to
efts& so peat • Amp—rub • revolutioa In the indite.
Mow of this loicaUr f Md. al the vent
isomioe el smokes ail hav• lakitivend 10 the

hUstihße, pemphlele written, and addresses that have
been diaasminated so widely throughout the cort=
~....,thers is, se ham been already observed, owe
s'rmteit the whole—oes occupying a prominent pees
in them all which may be summed up, and I think I
shall be doing no injustice to our optimists in saying It
Ii summed up in the phrase! "Justice to Ireland."
Thee are great words, and, if they were now used for
the first time, no doubt, would demand • very respect-
ful reception at our binds; but they me words ration
have been turd—though, as I admit, at times by teal
patriots and for none but patriotic purposes—by the
basest of men for their own selfish advantages and
their own private and personal inteeeste--(applease). I
alii far from eying snob io the ease with all :1 would
trust it is not the case with a large number of them
who speak of jute* to Ireland in the
peseset day ; but, at any rate, I think that
I am instilled in looking at these words with some
misgivtega, and asking what Is the real meaning of the
pees 'Justice to Ireland." Now, my lord, justice
means the removing of a wrong or the restoration of •
right (hear, bee). I would ask what wrong has the
reformed church done to Ireland? (applause). Is it a
wrong that in times of anarchy and deep ignorance and
bloodshed throughout the country the Reformed chore
he in every part of it maintained an open Bible?—
(applause)—the rule of life to which alone we en look
to put down anarchy and misrule and every vie and
oriole. Is it a wrong to Ireland that in every perish
once at least in the week prayer has been offered up in
the pure and holy words the united church of Eng-
land and Ireland, and a °buret open to every one who
would take part In the worship of Almighty God?
(applause). Is it any wrong to Ireland that through the
Inetininentality of the church men like Arch op
Usher, end Bishops Berkeley and Wheel'', with many
other great and good men, have devoted their great
talents and passed their precious lives in the furtherance
of Christianity and in edvotmay of pee.
_and goodwill
amongst the turbulent population infested? (epithets).
Li it any wrong to Ireland that in every parish there is
at least one men of birth, of education. and of ffed
position, • man looked up to I mean in character and of
virtuous disposition, who can edvise,suid do sood,end coun-
sel, and befriend the poor population oft he country ?
(applause.) I know, my lord, what gnawer you would
make to me in this, for you have jest told me that you
know of instance where the poor labouring population
—the poor eorkingoilames of Ireland, though Roman
Catholics. have. gone to the clergyman of their perish,
and have said, 'far, will you take charge of our little
savings, because we have seerfidewee le yen, sad we
know you will do your best towards ea." Are these, I
ask, wrong' to Ireland ?—(ebeers). How then is it
any justice to do that which will take away
these advantages—l say these blesinp—whieh in many
ages past have belonged to her'—(cheers.) Bet if it is
not the removal of • wrong, is it the restoration of a
right? I have already alluded to that question, and,
in lust, I need not dwell on it now, because it is well.
known that those who advocatethe abolition of the eh areh
of Eogisad in Ireland do not put in any claim for the
tweedy of the established church. They do not
attempt to do it : they know they have no title to it.
It cannot be thee the restoration of a right. Bearing
upon this point I mast for a moment allude to some
very able letters written by • man who I em sure in
this town you used lobe proud to cell &fellow townsman,
and who SSD now proud to be able to call my oeighbour
and friend—the Rev. William Barnes- (septette). He
has pointed out, that in deeding with the property of '
the church as the Opposition—the Ministry that would
be—propose to do, would present this remarkable
novelty this great original feature In the
principle of the holding of all property iu
the country—for he has pointed out that !accepting the
measures which are proposed by the leaders of the
Opposition, while they would leave the church in the
Caaoa of some smell portion of the property given!
n;deeeeet benefactors, property which had belonged
to the church for centuries would be swept away and
entirely taken from her; so that if this new principle
were acted upon, the result would be that the longer :
a person, or • corporation, or anybody has held property
the less title they have to continue to hold it—(cheers).
I will not tremors upon the meeting further on thee
two points, but I eann..t see myself that justice to Ireland
would thus be done either in the removal of any wrong
or in the reiteration deny right. But I may ask further,
what is it they mean when they talk of justice to
Ireland? What do they mesa by the word Ireland?
Is it all Ireland : are they unamions in this wish to get
rid of the Protestant church? and, if not, who is it?
what portion of Ireland? and if • portion, what kind of
body is it? Those who have spent large fortunes, shown
great view, and proved by their industrious habits
that they're the true friends, the backbone, the sinew,
the strength of Ireland? If I want to look for proofs
of energy and the real welfare of Ireland in program, do
I look to the counties of the south or west, or do [look
to the north ?—(applause)--to Belfut ?—(applause)--do
I look in fact to those portions which are inhabited by
the Protestant population or by the Roman Catholic
population ?—(cheers). Ido not wish to my a word
against the Roman Catholics, of Ireland. There are
amongst them many excellent upright men, and many,
I have no doubt and fully believe, improving, good,
honest, honourable landlords ; but. I say that looking
throughout Ireland. peons can cell in question the state-
ments I have made. In a conversation I bad not
very long ago with Mr. Gladstone himself, he
admitted much to me. I said where an the great
thriving properties in Ireland which are those that
have the moat prosperous temente, the most happy
contended well-to-do peasantry; are they not the
properties like Lord Derby's, Lord Landsdowne's, the
she of levonshire's, and, I might have added, those
of the noble lord now In the cheir—(cheers.) I dare
say many present may have seen a very remarkable
conversation on this point lately given in the papers.
There was an agriealtued meedng at Tipperary, and
amongst the tussle propoeed wm the health of our
former good friend and neighbour—now, I grieve to
say, no longer a Dorset man— Lord Porterlington, by •
farmer named Ryan, I believe a Roman Catholio
tenant. What did lie say in proposing the toast. It
was this, "I give the health of Lord Portarlington ;
be was formerly the landlord of the property which has
now become notorious through the attack made on Mr.
Scully. While Lord Portarbegton held that property
there was a contented thriving tenantry and peasantry:
what is it now? I only lament—deeply lament—that
Lori Portarlington was obliged to pert with his own
hereditary domain." I think that those who are for
cutting up the old properties of Ireland, driving out
the old landlords, and parcelling out the land
amongst those who would go in and buy it—perhaps
like Mr. Scully—though I speak without any disrespect
to would-be proprietors, are not, according to Mr. Ryan,
acting for tbe good and true benefit of Ireland (hear,
! boar). But after all the arguments we may use, and
at the reasoning we may apply to this great and
Important question, the true ground upon which we
steed is this—that this is a Protestant country. That
great Issue was fought out 300 years ago by met of
strong hands and stout hearts (sweetie). I trust that
In the present day England, though she may be led
astray at times by false represeatations of kindnese and
justice, through those appeals which are made to her
that because Ireland had grievous wrongs done to her
many years ago, therefore they should do wrong to
somebody else now, or what they ell "Justice to Ire-
land"—thotoch this country may be led away posaibly to
a great intent by those felts repreeectations, Englmad
will not go batik from that position which was then
arrived al,that her established church shall be • Protestant
cherish— (applause). From the report of the commission
lately put before us In the newspapers—and I have bad
no other advantages of seeing it except that common to
every one present—it appears to me that the commis-
sioners take very much the same view se the legislature
was actuated by some thirty years since; and, if follow-
ing the example, it should be necessary to remodel and
to apply in a' ifferent manner the Income of the church
in Ireland, I for one shall not be opposed to any
reasonable, and moderate, and fair settlement of the
kind (applause). Bull do trust that we sell not abandon
our sister church in this her hour of trial. It he been
said she has failed as a missionary earth, that she has
not done her duty- and I admit, looking back to past
°eateries, that the Irish cherub has fallen short of
her great misaion ; but then, what other church,
what other institution is not to be charged with some
shortcomings? No doubt she might then have done what
she is doing now—placed the Bible before the poorpopu.
lotion in their own native tongue aa weU as in that of our
common country—the English langusge, and might have
done coin her teaching and prayer' in the chorea; but
she is now doing that work, which no man can deny—
is now bringing the troth before what I must still call
the benighted population of Ireland—has risen to a
MIMS of her great Galling and her great duty; and,
though I *Uhl° impute no improper motives to any
man, I bailee it is is some measure because she is
doing all this, and began she Is effecting such a great
work in that country, that this great assault
Is now being made meet her (oboes). I,
therefore, appeal to you, my good friends,
and I know I shall not appeal in vain to
this tee melting, to strengthen the hands of my
honourable colleague sad myself in that opposition,
widish I ma rare that' for cia• shall most eorebally give,
to any revolutionary measures—for that is the lest loan
cell the proposals of the leaders of the Opposition—
for the detraction of what I believe to bea funda-
mental, an integral, and a most important and valuable
portion of the oons.itution of this great kingdom—
(loud beers). In conclusion he proposed :

"71mt is. thraateaed disestabbahment and dieendowtnsnt of
the Irish branch of the United church of England and Ireland
I, • direct rlolsUust of that great principle, as well as of a
'fundamental amential artiele of the union between Great
Britain sad Ireland, and therefore ought to be resisted."
Mi. E. L KINDMISIAT seconded the resolution. Look
at this great question a. they might, they could not
avoid the conclusion that the dine wee whether esta-
blishments were to continue, or whether the time bad
come for their annihilation. There we. no denying
that Ireland WM In a very unsouad aaatw, and had pito-
antes spinet England. the remedying of which lay in
English hands, but be denied that the Protestant esta-
blished church in Ireland, was in any w*y eoesidered by
ha lash so • grievance. As to the tuumheiee of
the Irish Merck in the middle of • purely
Roman Catholic population, without any following
of their own, they were quite prepared to remove them,
and apply the thermos for the benefit of the church in
other parts of Ireland—(beer, hear). He believed that
the great and subtle intellect which bad darted this
grave pastime, the dis-estaldiebneent of the Irish braneh
of our Mardi, foresaw that in the coming general
election • very lugs proportion of the new constituents
would be found among the dimentine bodies; he
thought to win them would be • very considerable
advantage to Ids party, and he saw that the beet sop he
Gould throw to them would be to aim & serious Wow at
all eetablishments—(hear, hmr, and biome). He feared
then, that the question vu a struggle between Mardi
and dissent. He was not afraid of the diasenters, but
be believed they used every opportunity and were
Intending to take every step for the promotion of this
measure. No doubt they were able to ;see that if
the saniltilation of the Irish broach of the thumb
meld be brought about, whatever arguments were
brought to hear &mind it would be equelly valid
naiad the establishment in other parts of the United
'lorded —(hear. hea). There was no doubt that in
Wales and Eootland diasent largely predominated over
the establithment, and if the witithliehed March was
annihilated in Irelend, it followed so • matter of merge
that the establishment mud join Wales sed &endued ;
and if this waste be the cue what remained? The
Month would stand aloes Ia England, and it required
see see% foresight to see that the argument would he
easily brought forward that the :inside of this esbob.
Neleauti bed bees fell, the time
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altogether. He tlesilit so one of them present who
' mere friends to the shards could oestempleite oath a
thing without thebenst deep felt mooliom—(hear, hear).
But the question reune—Wse MY to be? The answer
101 Intheir owe hands—(bear, bow). le union wee
liriallib• If r and lidesess—and what he believed
Inn in puny a mut of fatality on the subject—
WM to guide them no dogleg the Mesa must go. But
If good churolunes, 5 Uwe* who claimed to he good
ehurehmea, were ready and willing to pet their Moulders
together, he bad so doubt they might aware their own
alturch—(load applause). HO wd tbeesdore appeal
to those who milled themselves mid all those who pre
famed to b• ebassiameo, to ray round her standard
and do their beet for ber—fbear hear). To many
persons the Lisa of dleeedownient conveyed
"renter kring tun dleastablishment, but di.-
endowment would oaly make them pot their
bands deeper tato their own pocketa, while dis-
mtabliahment meant esparation from church and state—
that henceforth the State was to have no religion a her
own ; that henceforth is the eyes of the State all creeds
should stand alike; that for the future all the highest
offices of the State, not excepting that of the Crown
itself, should be opon to every one of the creeds— that
of Protestents, Rowse Catholice, and Diseentera Our
church is composed of widely different materials. Very
large scope is given for opinion in it and they gloried to
have it so—(loud applause)—for did any one know any
two men of their aerimistsnes who proMely agreed on
ell questions of religion? He beheved he could safely
anticipate the answer .No.* If that were the me.,
and supposing the bond that connected our church were
removed, there was nothing left but that the church
would be splpiLrag into an infinite number of parties,
and eve woad mha a separate church from
the neigamaring parish. lie would ask where then
should they look for truth?—(bear, hear). It had been
constantly mid that the Privl °mon" was not • fit
tribueal for the decision of religions and church ques-
tions, for there was no security that the members of the
Privy Council should be members of the Church of
England, or even that they Mould be Christiana. Slat
the Privy Council was not called upon to deeide questions
of truth, only to interpret what the church had mid,
and he believed that in the Privy Council only could we
find an assemblage of men who were capable of giving an
equitable decision on religious subjects—(hw, hear).
At any rate he sincerely trusted the day would not come
when laymen and clergy would be called upon to settle
their own qumtions—Oner, hear). Where then, it might
be asked, was their rallying point? Ho thought it was
to be found in regarding the Established church of the
United Kingdom moue great and indivisible whole—
(loud applause). One supposed grievance of Irishmen
was that • Protestant minority dominated in Ireland.
It wee true this was as. but be protested modest that
view of the question. He insisted that the Established
Mardi was to be looked upon as the church of the
United Kingdom at large, and that it would be simply
saMidal on the pert of the friends of the church to allow
the outworks to be forced, for then he was bound to say
he thought nothing would be left, but that the whole
establialiment would go as well bear, bent). It lay
with them then to hold their own. If they were
determined so to do he believed they might look forward
with perfect confidence that they would be able to secure
the permanence of our English National church, which
he believed to he the only security for the English
Constitution—(loW applause).
The resolotion was then put to the meeting and carried.

Ma. MAlwoo S. YKAIIIAN, J.P., of Stook House
Sherborns, said he had undertaken to propose the third
resolution with some hesitation and reluctance. because
he felt this vu a subject of such deep, vast, and vital
importenes, that he might pomibly not do that justice
to it which it clearly required. The resolution vu as
eollows

"Th.o, Munn ch as the Roman Catholics of Ireland enjoy
full civil and !wino no liberty, and or, protected by law in the
pommelon of their endowments, there is no pita of Justice or
neessidty for depririne the retablished Church of the property
which It lawfully peseeses—that such a epollation wouki shake
the security of ocry nwekm of pmperty, would be an inJusUce
to. loyal portion cf the people, and would Increnee instead of
lessening the salno.dties and dtaffectitan which, unhappily,
exist to some attest in Ireland."

He would endeavour twistly to state • few facts and
cdreenistanoes. w itch, he thought, would convince them
, that the reformed church which exists at this time in
I Ireland is the true Irish church, and is thoroughly
I entitled and legitimately holds the property of which
It is at present —(applanne). In the year 432
Saint Patrick landed in Ireland. and established the
Irish church in all its purity. From that time to 1152,
a period of seven centuries, that church remained in
It, pristine perketion. In 1152 Heury IT. completed
the conquest of Ireland, and proceeded to introduce the
Roman Catholis faith into that country. It was
adopted at the Synod of Cashel in 1172, in eonnection
with the English church, and that Papacy continued
till 1534. By that time the Irish church, in collie's,.
lion with her Parliament, chiefs, and leaders of the
people, herself reformed herself—(cheers). Between the
year 1532 and 1:i34 the bishops and clergy of Ireland
acknowledged the supremacy of the king. In 1537
the Irish Parliament pared an sot renouncing
the supremacy of the Pope, and between 1542
and 1544 the chiefs and leaders of the Irish people
likewise renounced the Papal supremacy. The English
liturgy was adopted by • Synod in 1551 ; in three
Synod', vii., in the reign of Edward VI, In the 3rd of
Elisabeth, and in 1665, the Irish church entirely adopt-
ed the English liturgy and doctrines; and the thirty.
nine articles of the church of England were adopted by
a Couvocatiou of the Irish church in 1634. From that
the true reformed Protestant faith has been the religion
of Ireland, and that branch of the English church was
therefore a constituent and essential part of the United
church of &gland and Ireland. For the first seven
centuries she was presented with property by the chiefs
and lords of Ireland. Between 1152 and 1534 a large
ainsant of property yr. elven to the church of ROMP,
but almost the whole of that property was seined by
Henry VIII, and elven to laymen. alter the Reform-
ation. five-sixths of her glabe-lands, 111,000 out of
132,000, was given to the Reformed church, and
therefore remained her property. Almost all the glebe-
houses and churches in Ireland have been built since the
Reformation by the Protestant church and by her soon;
and coder each circumstance, he ventured to &reit
that the Irish church in the present day justly held the
property of which she is possessed—that abs is the true
original Irish church, and the attempt to take
from her that property would be sacrilegious
spoliation—(cheers). The tithes of Ireland, having
been already allotted to, he would only touch upon them
slightly, simply observing that • great proportion
of the tithes of Ireland are paid by Protestant
landlords. Then as regards the small proportion paid
by Roman Catholics, he ventured to say that the estates
from which those tithes are raised were originally granted
to their possessors almost entirely by the Crown, subject
to those tithes ; the estates not so granted by the Crown
had been bought by their present pomessors subject to
mob tithes, therefore they never belonged to the
possemors of the property, so that the Roman Catholics
mold cot say It was unjust they should be called upon
to hand over to Protestants the tithes which never
belonged to them (enplanes). This being so, he thought
they would agree with him that the property which at the
present moment the Irish church possesses is legitimately
hers; and be would further advance this doctrine the' it
has been the custom end usage in this country that the
state has no right to interfere with property which was
given by worthy and pious men to peblio purposes,
anima tholes to whom the property wee entrusted did
not fulfil the purposes for which It was originally
granted (applause). This, he ventured to well, could
not be said of the church in Ireland. She had, ever
since the Reformation, held forth the pure light of the
gospel before the people—she had gone on endeavouring
to the utmost in her power, and sumeedully, to main-
tain in all its purity the true faith, and 'Applying the
people with those religious ministrations which be
maintained were DO justly their due. If, therefore,
the Irish church had fulfilled her duty— if, as
he had amertained, the number of Protestants had
somewhat increased, for in the beginning of this
century they only constituted 14 per cent of the
while now those of her communion number
15—it she bad progressed in her sphere of usefulness
as we learnt from national statistics, she had
increased her resident clergy, had repaired her glebe
houses, and had pot her churches in perfect order, could
they honestly divert to other purposes the property
entrusted to berl—(obeen.) He would next draw
attention to this circumstance—that, if the Irish church
Is not to be protected in the enjoyment of the pro-
perty she holds, which was conceded to her by holy
men for the service of God—if her revenues are to be
plundered, why should the revenues of the Catholic
church be respected, and why should the emoluments
and endowments of Nonconformists be allowed to
remalnl—(applame). The Income of the Roman
Catholic church amounts to £762,000 per annum, and
he said that if they and the Noneonformistn were to be
protected in the enjoyment of their endowments and
revenues, according to the principles of eternal Puttee
the Irish church must also be protected in that which
justly belongs to her—(cheers). But it was mid the
disestabliMment and dieendowment of the Irish earth
would pacify Ireland. He noticed to say it was sisterly
and distinctly proved that when Irish dilatation
culminated in the Fenian insurrection they never
demanded the dinestabliahment of the Irish church,
they solely demanded the repeal of the union ,
between England and Intland—(applause). The question
placed before the people of this country, via., the
severance of the union between aura and state in
Ireland did not originate amongst the people In the
sister isle—it was originated pertly by the Liberation
liwni is this country, and partly by the Roman
Catholics at the dictation of the priests, who wish to
establish on the broadest basis perfect civil, religions,
and social supremacy in Ireland for themselves—
(applause). Again, the Roman Catholics tacitly admit
that the property of the Irish aura does not belong
to them, became they distinctly disavow any intention
of 'eking for any portion of her revenuce. Again, be
would venture to say that taking from the Irish awn*
her property 'mid he • blow to all property in this
country—lt property coos given to a public trust or
public Corporation toe • particular purpose might be
seined by the state and appropriated to other uses, why
scald not other property be taken, when, according to
the doctrine DOW BO often advocated, a majority should
so will? (bear, bear). If the principle of the majority
ruling is to bs married out in Ireland, why should It not
obtain In every other provisos of this empire? If the
Irish church Is to be disestabliabed bemuse its
members are a minority in the ocieuitz7, why not
disestablish the Mundt in Scotland and in Wales?
and to carry MR the doctrine still further,
why not disestablish the church of England in
Cornwall. where dissenters are the majority smoopt
the Inhabitants I—(choors). In this great question, as
be eoweeived, most dangerous doctrines were introduced
—doctrines which, if admitted in one direction, must
I:l=lted in another. If it was conceded that the
mutt Is an injury to the Irish church, their
opponents would turn roundup= them and my theredore
It is an injury to the English chareh—thear hear). It
was useless and absurd to abut their • es to the face
that what is aimed at is not the dlsestabllshment only ,
of the lila Aura, bat the destruction of establishments
throughout this empiee—(eimen). The more cautious of ,
their opponents endeavoured to comsat that fact, but '
some openly avowed what were their true intentions.
The Norecrosiormis, the organ of a collateral* portion
of the Diesenters, bed diatinotly states' over mil ever
win, they wished to destroy all stale church establish-
rcents—(sear, hear). The Tablet, the great or
of the Roman Wham had also distinctly date
that the destrestien of the English thank was
what they sought--(appliseee). The diseetabliatnent
of the Irish ohne* would be a death•blow to away
In lids souutry. Ilse widowed with property and ta-
booed 4 boll awl shakable ooliresombso Ibq loud

that the Prefte=ty conseralled by their anessters to the
nevi= of tied, arid for tke bweat of their fellow
creatures wee teken away by the Oa* would
be
prevented to a large intent from so devoting their
wealth to the glory of God and for the semi= of OHM
(aPPlaule).rialt nee clear also that the diseetablidunent
of the b obureh would not saWiy the Roman
Catholics. Their object we to obtain entire supremscy
in Ireland flow, and eventually in England. If the
Irish church was disendowed, the carious bodies of
Protestants disunited would not have power to withstand
the attacks of united Romanist'. In oonedusion be would
remark tint this wee not the political qaestion—it
wee • question ae to whether they should 0012 -
lieu. to maintain in el its purity the
the Protestant faith or should not? The question wen
whether Rome should be in the aseendley or that faith
we had inherited from our ancestors— (applause).
Looking at It, therefore in this light, he conceived and
trusted that men of all, shades of political thought and
11l variations of religions sentiment and feeling would
unite to maintein the Protestant faith in this country—
(applause). He felt sure that the Protestants of this
sountry would not forsake their brethren in Ireland—
would not leave them as sheep Nattered on the
mountains without • thepherd—not permit them
to be deprived of those religious services they
have inherited for centuries— (cheers). He rat
perfectly convinced that Mod of all opinions in this
country will not unite with those whose great cry with
regard to the Chrietian church is 'Down with her !
Down with her,even thegroandl—will not combine with
those who wish to "out off the gold from the pillars of
the temple, and break down bar served work—will
not associate with the men whose great object is SO
take the standard of the church, till l it in the dust,
and lay it at the feet of the heirarehy of Ronte—(cheers).
He felt sure that the whole of the thinking,
and Christian men of the country would *oatene for the
great purpon of maintaining the established church, would
remember the great privileges and pure faith secured to
us by the blood of our martyred forefathers, and not
Peen unfaithful ti them, untrue to themselves, and
traitors to their posterity—he felt acre they would
rather unite for tilt great object of endeavouring to the
utmost of their sower to discharge those high, those
pure, thole noble, those holy, those loyal, and sacred
duties which they owed at once to themeless and their
posterity, to their faith, to their country, and to their
God (loud cheers).

MS. 0. W. FARSI2, in seconding the resolution, said
, he entirely concurred in a great deal of what bad been
said as to the expediency end desirableness of this great
question not being made a political party question; and
much as In valued, and much is he would take the
trouble to promote the interests of his friends, the two
members for this county, who had so ably addressed
the meeting, he professed at once that it was not for
any political party purpose that he bad taken the
trouble to come all the way from the north of Ent.
and—and to go back agehm—(laughter). It was from
a cordial end honest belief that was evidenced by
, the presence of gentlemen of ouch distinotion and
such known political opinions as they had before
them to-day on both sides of this room, that they were
right in treating this inflation not merely as a party
political question, but as one which interested them, and
all those who believed that by the proposed measure, if
measure it could be called that had no head. nor tail,
nor body, nor underatanding—(laughter, and hear, hear)
—a great injury was going to be done, he would not say
going to be door, bat going to be attempted—(cheer)—
that by this measure, as the monition set forth, a great
many persons would be exasperated, whilst none would
he *mediated. He had not the advantage of experience,
be was" no orator as Brutus is be had not stood before
a coestitneocy,nor had he stood the orflt al of the Hosea
of Commons—(laughter). But he would take up the
words of his friend Mr. liturt,and ay," We all know the
stereotyped 'baguets of those who are advocating this
possible destruction and spoliation of the Church ; we
know well the guise in which, with honeyei wordawith
careful aunt', and with Inched gesture, that bitter
pill is presented to us."—(laughter and loud cheers).
If it were not possible for his friend to make a mistake,
at lesst they would allow him to say that the hon.
member bad been guilty of an omission, because be had
omitted that which absolutely and invariably accom-
panied the administration of the potion. "They must
remember that, before God and man, vested rights ever
must and ever should be sacred to the consideration of
Parliament." If vested rights were to be held sacred,
what was the use of turning England topsy-turvy?
What was the use, if these vested rights were indeed to
be held gamed—what was the advantage of taking, as
they must do if they were to respect those rights—they
mast in the first instance take the money out of the
pocket on the right hand of the owner of these vested
rights; if they were to deal logically and honestly they
must put it into their left hand pockets and from thence
they must take it out again and put it at the owners'
disposal. Wes not that the case logically! What were
the vested rights we heard about? They were always
told, " Ohl the clergyman is to be preserved; be is not
to lose anything, poor man I—(laughter). The clergy-
man is to have his money, poor fellow ; you would never
! take his money from biml—(laughter), And of coarse
be must have his base; you would never turn him out
, of house and home r- (renewed laughter). Then the
bishops were to have Mir alms, and their incomes
preserved to them. In heaven's name when he spoke
of vested intends he spoke of a great deal more than
those of the bishops and clergy. By the vested rights
they wished to protect - and which he believed it to be the
duty of the State to preserve—he meant the vested rights
of the church—(applanse). And in saying that, for belt
from him to mean the vested rights of the clergy—ex.
anent members of the church though they be; but they,
the laymen, were members of the church, too—(load
cheend—and let it not be summed for • moment that the
clergy constituted the March—Omar, hear). And was
there any body of men in this kingdom who more fantail,
Or more heartily reciprocated that seatiosout with him
than the clergy whom he now saw before him ?—("No,"
and applause). These rights then were the vested rights
of the Protestant population of Ireland; and if it was
once proved that the church in Ireland, as it was at
prevent constituted, had too much money—if it were
proved that she did not do her duty—that she could
not do her duty—that she bad too much money with
which to support those who laboured for her welfare—
then the argument would begin to hold. But looking
at the Commission as it now stood, could anybody in
his seines for • moment say that, stripped of all exag-
gerations which for party purposes have been stated
with regard to the supposed revenues and action of the
church of Ireland, Gould any reasonable man looking at
the report of the Royal Commission say that the
revenues of the church of Ireland were too large or in-
capable, if properly distributed, of being well applied,
to the existou Protestant population of Ireland?
(bear , hear). Therefore it we, that he (Mr. Farrar) said
if it was at once aoudad that vested rights were to
be preserved—be meant the vested right, of the
Protestant population of Ireland, which constituted the
church of Ireland—these vested rights coal.) only be
properly regarded by paying with the one hand what was
taken by the other. If indeed it could be shown theta
order to do justice, or that it was absolutely expedient
that this spoliation of the church property should take
place in Ireland, he should feel it not wrong to appear
before them to argue io • difterent point of view. He
declared that, looking upon the propotied measure as •
question of reasoning, he was totally unable to see either
that it was jest or necessary that the disestablishment
or disendownient should take place in any way. Was
It, as Mr. Floyer had put it, in roman to anybody
mitering ? He thought it was palpably and clearly not
the esee—(hou, hear). They knew that 8-9ths of the
tithes were paid by Protestant landlords; they knew
that since the time of the Tithe Composition, about 30
years ago, there bad been no objection made to the pay-
ment of those tithes —(hear, hear). It was no longer a
source of annoyance to the peasant, to whom he be-
lieved the clergyman was the beet and most accessible
friend. Such being the cue, the only pot-non who
would be init,ted was the landlord; and what did
they find? The landlord paid the tithes with the
utmost possible pleaure—(hear, bear). Then there
was no injustice, and, so far as he could see, there was
no annoyence caused by the payment of tithes. The
speaker than referred to the measures which had been
suggested in the report of the Royal Commission, which
he said were touch the same as were recommended 35
years ago by Mr. Bingham Baring and others; but
which were set aside for some more quiet time, when
they should be introduced. Amongst these was the
redemption of the tithes just in the same manner as
the land-tax was redeemed in this country, and which
it was thought would unqoestionably soothe every
initiation that could possibly be fed,. But, tented
that disendowment was PlStioo, WU there any.
body to claim It was not n for him to
expound opinions which might possiblynotear be popular
In MI ball but he was perfectly open to say that if
thin question find at any time arisen, if any government
Ind been strong econgh, if popular prejudice had been
open enoegh, to turn to the question as to whether it
was not possible to endow and assist Roman Catholics
in Inland they being in so great a niajority, he
confessed—at the risk of popular disapprobation—lie
should have beea unwilling to bold up his band
whist it. There was no such question, however,
raised at this mound, and the Roman Catholics would
not derive the slightest conceivable advantage if this
money should be taken and despoiled from the Protest.
ant ohureh—(bear, bear). Then on the other hand,
had anyone been injured? It WU demooatrated to
them all, it was clear as daylight, that every Protestant
person who had taken or purchased property in Ireland
had done so in the faith that he was buying
property under the religious ministrations of his
own church. and every individual of that class
would be very properly plead under a feeling of
deep injury if this proposed measure were adopted—
(applause). Was it not, therefore, a fact that, whilst
DO Roman Catholics would be conciliated, hundreds and
thousands of Protestants in Ireland would be deeply and
deservedly exasperated?— (hear, hear, and cheers.)
Then there was another point In the question of justice,
which he most say was a very fair one to take. He
remeinbered • learned and acute judge in Westminster
Hall pointing out the necessity and fairness that every
criminal, every person accused, and every person
called upon to pay anything or to give any socount,
should have the opportunity of giving his mason, if he
could, for paying or not that which he was called upon
to pa, or saga. The learned judge, in so doing, made
use of this remarkable illestraticao, which the meeting
would not rega4u spoken in a proems manner. He
said, "8o StSOl4 is the principle imp Lusted in human
nature that notice should always be glean before •
paretic is deprived or injured in any way, that even the
Almighty Haslf, in the pedal of Eden, did not turn
Adam out of it without Ine summoning him to give
a reason for his ooadoot"—(applam). Waa than any
ques,noo of injustice to the Church of Ireland at this
mom sat? Had the common decency of justioe been
accorded to her of being called upon to render an
mount, or to give reasons why this measure of spolia-
tion 'hada not be forged upon her 2—(bear, hear, and
shaava-) Why, he ventured to say, and he said it with
the utmost Donfidener—thst six months ago there was
not a politician in the United Kingdom to whom the
idea had occurred, am being in any way
.possible that
such a measure es this now proposed. for Me Utter des-
truction—not the redistribution, but the utter destruee
non rod spoliation—of the Irish Church, could by any
pad' ality be submitted to Engliah oonetitnencies--
(cheers). The church had never up to the preseent time
been .talled upon or afforded the opportunity of making
• deluges ; but by cos sweeping resolution the ground
is to be out away from under her, and the question
before the kingdom was not (as be hoped it would
be sh ortly) whether • redistribution sad treat Wa-
co puts amid be aide • bet the question had
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eonsieus language, expedieet ! Now, be did not believe
I himself in the possibility ofdiseasoeisting justice aid
expediency—(mar, bear). He believed from his heart
that nothing was ea pedieni that was not just. The
argument was pot in the strongest possible form the
other day by one of the ablut and he firmly believed
lone of the most honest of those who took the opposite
view to that which he now advocated before this meet-
mg—by Mr. Fortier, of Bradford—who said, "Not to
mina matter., it is • quation of civil war; if we do
not destroy the Irish °harsh we shall have civil war."
' Now he (Mr. Ferrer) put it to any reasonable man is
this county, and be pat it Is any reasonable "MD in this
kingdom, could that seriously and honestly be put
forward as an argument hued on real and true premises?
Admit the premise, and he, perhaps, should not
hesitate to admit the °occlusion ; hut did soy one
believe that the pouesaion by the Irish church of that
property which it holds we any more likely to produce
civil war than that it was Ike!, that they and he, when
they left this room, should be all taken and ducked in
the river Froome because they had ventured to give
vent to their opinions'—(bear, bear, and laughter). It
, was idle; it was tampering either with our sense of fear
or with our common sense to put forward such an
, argument in that extreme form. If there was any
danger of a civil war, that danwsr came from a very
different quarter from the holding of property by the
Trial church. He adverted to the circular issuing
from the Tenant Right Society in Meath, which had
been read b 1 Mr. Digby, and said there was the chief
danger, if they liked; the danger lay not in the choral,
but rather in the land question; and if cavil war must
come, that wu the point upon which it would arise
(bear, hear, and cheers). Alter referring to certain
intrust@ in the Boman Catholic organ, the Tablet, in
support of what he had advanced, be cordially sounded
the resolution.

This
ought
alwaYloiaininulNeLrbethb:hein:
The Rev. Prebendary D AAAAA supported the resolu-
tion. As a clergyman he most heartily endorsed what
had been said by the last speaker, vie-, that if be could
believe for one moment that it was an act of justice
that sae required, awl that any injustice at all was done
to any of his fellow creatures 7 no matter of what er,ed
or persuasion, he would act in the spirit of the Latin
proverb, fial justifies real ritlera.—(applause). It was
because be did not believe it, that he ventured to say
there wu no pies of justice or necessity fur depriving
the Irish church of the property she lawfully possesses.
It seemed to him that the stereotyped plea of " justice
to Ireland" had alwsys proceeded co "ace. oilier of two
assumptions, first, that the minority must useesarily
be wrong, and that the belief of the majority is to be
the criterion of troth, and, therefore, the criterion of
justice. He most earnestly combated such • notion,
for it involved thie—that no nation, if the majority .
is right, CAD ever do wrong, which carried them back
to the old principle "might makes right." Again,
supposing the maj3rity was taken as the teat of truth
and therefore the test of justice, Low much evil would
have been .lone in the worldosed how much good left tins
done? We should never have had the Reformation if
the opinion and tie majority of the nation in that day
had been taken. The rebellion which followed, and the
risings in different parts, all indicated that the opinioas
of the people at large were not in favour of the Movement.
Yet no one, who knew history, would pretend to say
that the Reformation was not &blessing to England
(hear, hear). The second plea for "justice to Ireland"
was not so often avowed, but it was to be found, to
thought, at the bottom of the opinion, advanced by some
thoughtful men, was that which was so ably advocated
by Sir George Coroewall Lewis, that' the State is not
a judge of the truth of creeds.' But there was • great
fallacy in that. Every state must be more or least •
judge of truth aod falsehood. It was true de misiatis
nos tura! kx. No State entered into discussions bet tae.n
puticular partioor sects, but every state must be and
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all
There was another point in the ruolution. It said that
inasmuch as the Roman Catholics enjoy their civil an.'
religious liberty, and are protected by law, there is no
necessity for depriving othera of their rights. The
Edinburgh Revive stated that C 5,000,000 were emberked
tfiuhrereiy.Ridemanrme
itoghCbetawtpherololitioc: reteduplih,gesitourei.lyPhuctresereesTetabli.tnisib—ledrieastanlippuladrbloi)!
Then it was said that the presence of the Irish °deb-
lishuient is an insult to the Roman Catholics, and
a menus to their faith. He would ask anyone in ,
Ireland who thought so to look across the channel NIA ,
say whether the claims put forth in England by the I
Roman Catholics, with their assumption of territorial
titles and the exertions they are making—and no blame
to them for it - for their own faith were not as great •
menace and insult to the faith of England, as ever the
established church in Ireland= be to Roman Catholics
in that country !—(applause). He, therefore felt that
the plea of 'justice to Ireland" must be abandoned.
It had struck him with astonishment how so eminent
ammo as Mr. Gladstone—and lure he wished to &peak of
him with every respect, for he did highly respect him, is
spite of differing from him—how it was that his vigorous
sod able mind had not seen through the fallacy long ago
—(cheers). He could only account for it by this—that
Mr. Gladstone is an exceedingly ripe scholar, and he
was afraid he had got the image of Justice of mythology
before him, and if they would call that to mind, he
thought they would recollect the image had in her left
band the scales evenly poised : she had a sword in her
right hand ;hut her eyes were bandaged. Mr. Gladstone
had his image of justice, the scales in the left hand,
, with which to dole out the pittance, whether it would
he.,.. or not he did not know, to the Irish eimgy : she
had a 55......1. ~.harp ...I trosalisw*. is Iver right. with
which to hack, hew, and out down the °burial ; but he
had carefully bandaged the eyes of his figure, for he
could not tell at all what was to be done when the
measure he had propounded was pared His Suspensory
Bill left everything at a deadslock. Therefore he did
not think that his image of justice was one they could
or ooght to accept—(applause). The raeolution says it
chnhesiop:i
mbnuthaota mind.
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would be an injustice to the loyal portion of the people.
He believed that we in England, from our isrnoranos ,
of the condition of Ireland and Protestant feeling, ,
are not at all aware of what would take place there.
Far from the disestablishoient leading to civil war, he .
felt much more convinced that, if there be a civil war,
it will arise from the disestsbUshment and dissuades/.
ment. More than 30 years ago when he was • young :
man at Oxford, a gentleman perfectly conversant with
the whole of Ireland, a military man, who had lived the
beet part of his life there, mid "You in England have
no conception, you have no knowledge, of the intense ,
and burning seal there is among the Protestante in the :
north of Ireland for their religion and the exertions '
they would make if they believed it, would be seriously .
attacked." These words had dwelt upon his memory ,
ever since, and he thought they stood ia some danger of
being fearfully illustrated in the present day. The next
Ityhbeattnnitibt7d.pi , ofp"iliylneatZii.nnti ntsghheethrenloe. inlluirti:onuitsiist.eithistivhiedtyi.ffw.o.aecldldainirense
(so hail been very justly remarked) Protestant discontent
to Roman Cetholiedisaffeetion—(hear, hear). Does cry
one in his mum and with his eyes open, believe that ,
this sop to Cerberus is going to cure the evils of Ire-
land? No. They lie far deeper. Irishmen long ago
have said so, and it was only yesterday that he saw the
expreadon in • pamphlet by General Fitzgibbon that it
was impossible that these mere palliatives would have
the desired effect. The thing is inherent in the abuse-
ter of the people, and what we want to give them is the
spirit of impiovement for themselves. This was said by
an Irishmen, not by an Englishman, who knew his own
countrymen far better than we do, and his testimony
cannot bo lightly raitisaid. This conveys to us the ins-
portant warning that spoliation such as is now contain.
plated will shake the wourity of every species of pro-
perty in this country. He believed the first property
to be attacked would be corporate property. There was
so doubt it was intended there should be an attack
made through the side of the Irish church upon the
entire Established shuns. It began in the days of
James 11., and was carried on in the days of the French
revolution. They laid bold of corporate property and
property given for charitable purposes; and did anycne
suppose it would stop there? Did anyone think, when
"the appetite has grown by what it feeds upon," it
would be content with corporate property, and stop
there? No I What was to prevent the majority from
saying that private property is overgrown, and is
required for this or that purpose? In these days he
believed it was very easy to educate the popular mind
(if he Might use • vulgar phrase) up to the plundering
point. Therefore he deprecated very strongly any mcfi
attempt upon them. Bat he felt that the church,
whether in Ireland or England, might be dissetablished,
might be disendowed, and every atom of its revenues
be taken away from it, but he did not believe if this
were done the church would perish— (hear, hese),
strong upholder of the union between Church and State,
but be felt that the aburch of Ragland, ea • true branch
had more vitality than any establishment or endowment,
than anything which mail could do either for or against
her. He believed, however, that they might cripple
her means, and by Acts of Parliament prevent her
ministers from having the means of helping the poor,
I which, thank God, they now have ; It might degrade
them from their position: it might do all this, but be
believed it would not thereby destroy the church of
England. So long as the church of England continued
to hold and to have the open Bible, so long as she has
her pure liturgy and her artiMes to guard us
how error in different directions, so long as she hae
that really Catholic and tolerant spirit which has always
animated her, so long did he believe she was safe as a
church, nod 'he believed that sho was in either branch
the truly national cherub. He took the national church
not in the restricted sense in which it was often used,
the sense merely of • majority, or because • certain
number of persons had adopted it, or because it was
established, or endowed with funds, either taken from
thaetion.lationabotouhiirrohocogpibeivwi
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even far more Wm those who differed from her were
ofthawevlrielsi
thing in • national church, and wby it ought to be kept
op, that it might disseminate God's truth throughout
she remain
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would earnestly request the representativeeuu teetant.
it
of the parliamentary borough, hi the *misty and
Dorset, to omen to the
This leftlUti"s the MT- Coltielnan said, invited them
the en of the Crown and the oonnectiotabettllM
Charcranntata, And in the first phose it 'eked
them to 4alni° " the ProPomd steseue for Ireland
had • Creel Nadimbey to godertans that IllPfemdc. 7,
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Kingdom. It mas Idle or worse than Wl* to deny fib at
the proposed diseanbliabnient and disendoweeent In
Ireland Wel a step to disestablishment and Meadow-
meet in Wales, in Soot Lind, and in England. The
more advtheed&nd outspoken advocates of the measure
freely and even exultingly proclaimed that they regarded
it only as an instalment And though others might
honestly desire to stop short with the stater country,
they would find that it was one thing to open, were it
but by • hair'sbreadth. the flood-gates that restrained the
torrent, and quite another to limit and control that
torrent in its might: to say to it, "Hitherto shalt thou
come and no further, and here shall thy proud waves be
steyed." It was not, however, in a spirit of despon-
dency that the resolution was framed. Such a spirit
was most eanseetly to be depredated. He thanked the
Inn. member for the county (Mr. Stun), for thnt word
victory, which be had given them in his opening speech.
He deeply deplored the fat that one of the most able
and influential of the clergy, One to whom the church
owed much for his labours and his writings—one who
would have been a bright ornament of that episcopal
bench, on which, if rumour spoke truly, he had more
than once declined a proffered seat—should have dis-
heartened them at such a crisis as this with counsels of
despondency. When • man like the view of Doecater
mad surrender, it wee as though a standard bearer
(anted. It was suicidal for a general on the eve of
a decisive engagement to tell his men that the struggle
was hopeless and defeat certain. It was the part of
wisdom to let them dearly understand the great.
SIMS of the stake at issue, that it wax pro aria et foeie,
for what they held most meted ad most dear that they
were contending; that though the anther' might rep"
about an outpost, the citadel would be the prise of the
conqueror. This resolutiou said to them :
"Unum at commune pericl
Una mine ambobus mit,"
which might be freely rendered, " We are involved In.
common peril, but by God's help we shell share a
common preservation." But the resolution Raked them
to affirm not only that the connection of the Church and
State was menaced, but that it ought to be maintained.
He ventured to assert that tbe maintenance of tbetson-
nection was beneficial to the church and esseinial to the
j sate. He thought that church history showed that it
was beneficial to the church. Ile ad mitW that then were
disadvantare inseparable from it; but what union was
there in this imperfect world into which either an In-
dividual or a corporation weld ecter which was use of
unmixed advant•ge It need only be shown that on
the whole the advantages preponderated ; and that ha
thought the history of the church proved. Ile would
take • crucial wee. The patience at churchmen had
been loosely tried from time to time by the eleelaions of
the law courts. to the limite of theologieel opinion
within which it was possible legally to minister In the
church. But when be remembered how unluly those
limits had sometimes been narrowed by lofty spirit and
in the heat of controversy; when he reflected hoho',ak im-
possible it was to me 20,00 educated clergy see eye
to eye in religious truth; how important it was to
make the limits 111 wide as possible consistently with
the preservation of truth ; how, to use • favourite
Illustration with a late learned Professor in his
own University (Professor Blunt), you must set the
WOO on it, base and not on it. apex if you would have
it stand firm; that he was led to the conviction that on
the whole the intervention of the State was, in this
respect, for the good of the church. But, if the con-
nection was beneficial to the church, it was nothing less
than essential to the State. He contended that there
was a large area in almost every parish which the
voluntary system could not reach. That system, even
in its own inhere, needed often to be supplemented by
the ministrations of the parochial clergy. But there
was an area in which the weakness of a State ley. There
were &taws and individuals who were in no way seeking
to realise their duties as men and as citizens. It was
the minister of the National Church, who, just because
he was that, regarded the whole parish as entrusted to
nit care, and was doing all in his power to make all
better men, better citiesus, and better Christians. A
yet higher consideration still remained. If they
believed that there was a Supreme Governor of the
world, on whose favour the prosperity of a nation
depended; if they believed that His favour was granted
to those only who acknowledged His existence and
recognised His authority; if they acoepted the words of
that Holy Book (which, if quoted reverently and ap-
propriately, could never be out of plimie in an aesembly
of Protestant Englishmen), "Them that honour me I
will Minoru, aid they that despise me shell be highly
esteemed," then they most hesitate to take up •positioe,
of which Lord Hai rowby had well said, "that Depositary
in Europe, except Franco, in a moment of debris.), had
ever tned it," • position which no heathen nation of
antiquity had ever taken up. Then they would say s• a
nation (toquote again the word' of that Holy Book). "A'l
people will walk every one in the name of the Lord our
God for ever." The question was essentially a religious
one, and ought never to have been made one of party
polities. The Ark of God ought not to have been
adventured into the stun, of party strife, much less
should it have been made a steppingatone for worldly
ambition. On these grounds they protested against the
proposed measure. The resolution invited them to
appeal to the Howe of Commons through their repre-
sentative& He ventured to say that the thoughtful
mind of the country was not satisfied with the treat-
ment which this great subject had met with in the
House of COMCSIODS. The debate in the Upper House
was one which, for extensive knowledge of the subject,
for clime and cognent remaking, for digqity and temper,
and for brilliant oratory, had seldom beim surpassed in
the annals of Parliament But in the Lower House,
though many of these qualities were not wanting, there
was a feeling of hollownesa, a conviction that the Irish
church was not the real question at Mean They
appealed then to the House of Commons. bet they
appealed from the Howe of Commons intoxicated with
the fevered drsakebt of party pelltim, to the ROOM Of
Commerce sobered by • tones of It. own responsibility
eao or magnitude of th• inimmte at Maim He
would conclude an the words of Yr. Gladstone, written
30 years ago
"If there be no muscleman° form of religiou. disownment
In well-ordered Mate., and if the unity of the body be no law of
the church, let us freely abandon the ancient polity under
which this church has consolidated bee strength and sustained
her happiness and earned a fame yet wider than the doninimus
that are washed by every re• But if the reveres of both thane
prop...dimes be true, then let us decline to purchase moral
debility and death, wrapped la thin guise and entitled rues;
then, In the matted name of God, to the utmost and maue mei
of our power, let as 'tonally abide by the noble traditions of
our fathers, said be faithful to postoity, even as antiquity bas
been faithful to wr—(applainee).

The Rev. R. G. LYON, year of Sherboree, In moon&
ing the resolution, said he rose with the greatest possible
pleasure to bear his feeble testimony in support of the
principles advocated to-day. He felt that the question
was one of truth or falsehood. If the Protestant church
of, Ireland be a witness to the truth, then in God's
name, let us uphold that witases. If Roman Catbolielsm
be contrary to God's truth, then do not let us be afraui
to maintain our opposition to it. If we believed the
obtiroh of Ireland did hold up the lamp of truth, do not
let us be persuaded, became that lamp may be Bickering.
bemuse the channels of the oil may be choked, to put it
out ; but rather let us cleanse and way it that it may
give a clear light; and he believed that when that light
shone—se God greet it might—throughout the length
and breadth rf the sister isle, then, and not till then,
should we really see" justioo" done to Ireland
(aP9lnaist).

Major Famirroar was glad to have thla opportunity
of coming forward In defense of the established church
of Engluid and Ireland. He proposed the adoption of
the following &debate :
" To Her Most Gradate Majesty, Victoria, by therms of God
Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, Gedendder of the
Faith, Ac.
" May It please your Majesty ,—At a public meeting of many
friends of the Conatitutlon In Church State in the county
of Dorset, preeided oser by the Hight Hon. the Lord Iligby,
and holden In Dorcheeter on the 24th ,1 Bei-ember, it Iran
resolved that an humble address should he presented to your
te.ZT.' "vett; mont irf"und frit that olloyalty and devotion
end
disendoement of the friah branch ol the United Church of
England and Ireland ought not to take place, lot to. following

"—.Mune melt dbestablishment and disendocreasut le • direct
nolstlon of the fundaments! principle of the Combustion
by which the Protestant reformed religion, m established
by law, to maintained.
" Because It I. abo in direct violation of. fundamental
meentlal article of the union between Great Britain and
I Mend.
" Because It to. connotation of the lawful property of Me
Esteblialied Church—a connotation which can be studio.
ted by no pies of justice to the Roman Catholics of I
(Inasmuch aa they enjoy full civil seal religious liberty
are protected by law in the poweesion of their endownwnts) but which endanger, the security of every epeeist
of property, In sn Injustice to lorel portion of the people,
and Is certain to rather then to allay such mimeo-
lip and disaffection as may unhappily exist In Ireland.
o Because It to. measure [taught with dangerous conse-
quences to the whole kingdom. ae tending to undermine
the supremacy of the Crown and to erne the oonnecUon
between the Church end the filtata
" For these and other romans (while not Opposed such
reform. as may mama. the um' einem and of the
Irish branch ol the United Church) thls atesting would =ill
ITPletany
nottbleOLL=o,lts tarnated.daTtre U.; ch,
Mr. C. Hewes° briefly seconded the motlee, and It
wee oarriwL

Mr. John Porn, of Symondsbary, spoke of. tit.e peat
im
antbdattthheeysigshatwn it
Got mbeat
afford
party to the removal of those opportunities
which their brethren in Ireland DOW possess of hallowing
God's Sabbath. He urged his brother yeomen to
combine to form such a line of defence around their
oeow of
present triutoestifooesi
beloved church, that it should be made impregnable to
the assaults of Mr. Gladsto
oe and the advocates of die-
establishment--(opplause). He moved a vote of thanks
to the Right 800. Lord Digby for his kindness in taking
th
the chair.
The Rev. Itkoinsim BIRTH, l 141.01W4h1g the vote,
trusted that the dissentients in the mestiza would
consider the facts and arguments breright before them,
and that they might arrive at a different oocelaaion
from that upon their minds when they entered the
meeting. He had no doubt whatever they were honest
and patriotic men, who wished to set in the fear of God.
If they did set in the fear of God, he thought they
would come to this @enaction—that it never mold he
right and is not right to take any step which shall
deprive 700,000 Protestants in Ireland, maoy of them
poor men, of the means by which they are supplied
with God's woof, to make them wise unto salvatioe--
(cheers).

The Citsranati : I bass to return you thanks for this
honour you have done ins in placing 11111 in the &air
all I can say is, that I most heartily site it bad been
planed In more abreast bands; still I hive hopes that
what has been done to-day may do mush to strengthen
tint shone in England, and likewise to frustrate the
disendowineat end dimetablishment of the shun* ha
Ireland (ebeersl.
The National Anthem was We seag awl the meeting
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