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THE DAY'S NEWS.-

In the House of •Lords last
ll° night,
ht the Earl of
Derby elicited from Earl Granville
propositions of the Frenchtieavtlyiretquairi if the
requiring the
consent of Parliament were
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chequer, and of an immense number of petition
against them, which .occupied nearly an hour, the
anxiously-looked-for debate on the Budget WWI
opened by Mr. Disraeli, who inoved as an amend-
the House ou
went on the motion to go into committee, that
ought not to
posal to repeal duties referred to in the French
entertain the pro-
treat.,y, until its engagements generally have been
considered and agreed to. He gave no opinion,
in the meantime, on the merits of the treaty or o

the budget, although at a fitting opportunity he
would not shrink from doing so. His amendment
was no mere party move. Unless the course he pro-
posed was adopted, the commercial treaty, as it
never had been before the House, never could be
before the House, for purposes of debate. For
instance, how were they to debate the article affect-
ing coal and others not connected with the customs?
It had no analogy with the Russian treaty nego-
tiated last year by Lord Malmesbury. As to the
mode of bringing the treaty before them in the
form of an address to the gown, such a course
would be unprecedented, when the Crown had
not first addressed the House. If again, it were
proposed to consider the treaty, what form would
that proposal assume?—they could not take upon
themselves to offer to ratify the treaty. The only
means of overcoming the difficulties of the situation,
was to bring the treaty before Parliament in a com-
mittee of the whole House, and in the form of
large and general resolutions, which, if passed,
would then be sent to the Upper House. The
appointment of. Mr. Cobden as a secret agent
in this matter, of itself necessarily involved
a reckless destruction of revenue. If the
treaty was one of reciprocity never was
such an occasion less adroitly managed.
If it was not intended to be reciprocal, why did
it assume its present form ? If free trade was
good, constitutional government was better and
older; and yet this treaty vt as devised to silence
the one, and deprive of its privileges the other,
branch of the legislature of the country.
Mr. Gladstone, in reply, said, with regard to the'
treaty of Mr. Pitt; the resolutions referred to
matters of small detail—they were neither large
nor general ; and, moreover, the treaty itself re-
ferred r!) other matters than those of commerce.
He denied the proposition of Mr. Disraeli, that
the consent of Parliament, was necessary to the
execution of the treaty. Many of the clauses re-
ferred to matters altogether out of the reach ofPar-
liament. Discussion on such a subject was " puerile."
Sir H. Cairns, Sir F. Kelly, Mr. Newdegate, Mr.
Ayrton, Mr. Malins, Mr. S. Fitzgerald, and Mr.
Horsrnan supported the amendment, and the
Attorney-General, Mr. Bright, Lord S. Russell,
and Lord Palmerston—the latter with much
warmth—opposed it. On a division, the amend-
ment was rejected by a majority of 293 to 230.
Mr. DU. Cane's motion will come on to-day.
The French Emperor is determined to rule
with a high hand even the priesthood of his
empire. He had already shown to the Pope him-
self that he was to be absolute, not only within
his own dominions, but even beyond them. And
it can excite no wonder, therefore, that his own
clergy should be reminded of what he considers
to be their duty to him in his high position. He
has, consequently, caused them to be officially
lectured by his Minister of Public Instruction—
as will be seen by one of our last telegrams from
Paris. The Emperor tells them that he " desires
peace and liberty for religion ; but he wishes that
his authority shall also be respected, as it is the
keystone of the arch under which are guarded the
interests of religion, as well as order." Some
people call this despotism ; but, whatever it be,
it is the order of the day in France.
The report which the French Minister has just
addressed to the Emperor, on the subject of the
Commercial Treaty, and which has reference
wholly to primary articles, shows anything but a
Spirit of reciprocity, towards England. For ex-
ample :—" All wools and cottons in wool, imported
from countries out of Europe are exempt. If com-
ing from other part?..., and in French. vessels, they
m e to be subject to a duty of 3 francs per 100
kilogrammes. If imported in foreign vessels, they
are to pay a duty of 5 francs per 100 kilogrammes."
Now, here we have England placed, as it were
under a ban as regards her shipping, while the
Emperor exempts an article from duty only on the
condition that it comes from somewhere out of
Europe,—that is, that it may not come from Eng-
lishmen ! And, for this, England is called upon
to sacrifice great national interests !

We hoe copied from a London weekly journal
in the Conservative interest, a detailed account. of
what is understood to have taken place at the
important meeting of Lord Derby's political
supporters, last week, on the Budget ; and
although the occasion is past and gone, yet, as
its results are only now beginning to be de-
veloped, it cannot but possess, considerable
interest. The course that is said to have been
recommended by the great Consenvative leader,
it will be seen, was just that which has now
been commenced in the House of Commons. It is
most satisfactory to find, that should it happen to
issue in a ministerial defeat, Lord Derby is quite
prepared, should needs be, to resume the high
position from which lie was so factiously driven a
few months since.

The Times says that the " incidental debate on
Friday night showed there was a certain amount
of floating opinion on the Liberal side of the
House in favour of considering the Treaty first
and the Budget afterwards,—a wish to contem-
plate the living animal, coupled with the belief
that the contemplation would be best effected if
its soul were first separated from its body,"—and
that Mr. Disraeli was evidently led thereby to
propose his amendment, which is so completely in
accordance with that opinion. Let us hope, then,
that they " on the Liberal side of the House "
who entertain such an opinion, will not, from any
mere party or factious motives, now shrink from
the duty of acting upon it.
We have extracted from the Saturday Review,
and given elsewhere, some " Considerations on
the Budget," which are not only very able in
themselves, but are important also as being, it
is understood, the production of one of high
authority on such subjects,—one, we arc inclined
to believe, in high quarters also. The writer is
stated, it will be seen, to be most friendly to the
present Government ; so that, though he criticises
very freely the Government project,—characteris-
mg it as " too complicated," and as " involving
too many changes in taxation," all such changes,
he contends, being "in themselves a serious
evil,"—yet his criticism cannot be attributed to
any party motives, or to any feeling whatever
that is hostile to the authors of that project. On
these accounts, we consider the " considerations"
entitled to more than ordinary attention.
It will be seen by our telegraphic news that the
America, with transatlantic mails to the 10th
instant, touched at Queenstown yesterday after-
noon. The Pacific Mail Steam-ship Company's '
steamer Northerner has been wrecked, and, we
regret to say, no fewer than .thirty-six of the
passengers and crew have been drowned.
In another column will be found some of the
particulars which we gave in our late edition
yesterday, of a frightful calamity in
.the English
Channel, arising from a collision in the dark
between the steamer Ondine and the schooner
Heroine, whereby the latter sank in less than
twenty minutes, and many lives were lost.

THE country, or we are much mistaken, will have
great reason to be thankful to the Conservatives
for the course they commenced to pursue, in the
House of Commons, last night, on the French
treaty, and the Budget which is based upon it.
Whatever may be the result of the opposition
which is being offered to the Ministerial projects,
good will certainly arise from that thorough ven-
tilation of the important questions involved
therein, which must of necessity be produced by
• so timely a discussion. Ministers and their sup-
porters were travelling a little too fast,—they
were not only " reckoning their chickens before
they were hatched," but were doing so utterly
regardless of the expediency of having them
hatched at all. The Treaty with France is a
matter of much too great moment to be hastily
disposed of. It is not to be considered as a matter
of course, as Ministers would appear to,. have
Wished it to be, by proposing as they did, to
proceed at once with the Budget, in Committee
on the Customs Duties. Some very important
points, which must be taken into consideration in
that Committee, will depend entirely upon the
ratification of the Treaty by Parliament ; and if
Parliament, in its wisdom, should refuse to ratify
it, it were surely better that the House should
not be committed to any such fiscal changes as
those which it is sought to effect, without first
taking into account the provisions of the Treaty.
The whole financial scheme;—Treaty and Budget
and all, might be everything that its advocates
pretend it is; but it is not, on this account, to be
taken as a matter of course. We are not of
those who think that, in its present state, at
least, •the scheme is calculated to be other-
wise than injurious to several interests
aarge ofl the
country ; and there is no doubt that of
a
body of the people of thish
similar opinion. For anyt country' ,that is known
are
majority of the
to the contrary,
of that opinion.
a
House of Comm
This, however, rmeru"sins to be seen. And the way
to find it out, is just that way which the Conser-
vatives are taking,-to require a consideration of
the Treaty in the first place, and, should it be
iroved of, then to consider whether the Budget
itself is also to be entirely approved of. If it be
true,—as our readers will find it stated elsewhere,
—that at the great meeting of the Conservatives
last week, on this subject, it was determined that
they must oppose the Treaty, with the Budget
which is based upon it, on the high but simple
ground " that it was inexpedient "—that it
" hampered the country, and fettered rather
than relieved trade, burdened the People

with fresh taxes, and played into the
hands of a foreign potentate,"—if, we say,
this be the conviction of the Conservatives
with so able and constitutional a statesman as
Lord DERBY at their head, surely they are but
doing their duty to the country, in taking that
course which was last night adopted in the House
of Commons. The fact is, that Ministers and
their supporters appear to have let the idea run
away with them, that manufactures and com-
merce are everything. Now, manufactures and
commerce are, certainly, very great things,—the,
prosperity and progress of this country is much
indebted to their operation and influence; no one
can deny this. Still there are other considera-
tions besides those, which must not be overlooked,
in a national and constitutional point of view.
The interests of manufactures and commerce are
undoubtedly, we repeat, very great interests ; and
this country, almost above all others, presents
a remarkable illustration of their effect in
raising a nation to a high position of wealth and
power. But even to such interests, we are not to
sacrifice everything else. As the Times of yester-
day very forcibly •points out, with reference to
our neighbouring great emporium of manufac-
tures,--;--" Here is a community powerful by their
riches, and powerful by their intensity of purpose.
Their interests are always propounded as the
great interests of the nation, and well paid and
well patronised apostles go forth from them
fiercely compelling all men to cry with them,
There is but one commercial faith, and Manchester
is its prophet.' It is under the false impression thus
produced, that so many are found ready to take it
for granted, that a financial scheMe, like that just
propounded by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, must of hecessity be adopted by the
country. It were certainly wise and prudent,
therefore, to let it be called to mind, that there
are other interests of the country which deserve
consideration,—even other commercial interests
than those in favour of which so loud a
popular clamour has been got up ; and
most justly, therefore, does the leading journal
add to the remark we have already quoted; that
" although Manchester, and the class whereof
Manchester is the metropolis, represents, per-
haps, now one-sixth of the population, still the
rest of the nation form the other five-sixths.
We must admit, also," continues our contem-
porary, " that Manchester and the Manchester
class have, very much to their honour, given
to us Sir ROBERT PEEL and Mr. GLAD-
STONE, who have been not unmindful of
their origin. We cannot but also accord
that. unto those who have much, much shall
be given. But still we middle-class men, we pro-
fessional men, we country squires, we brain-
workers, we:non-millionaires, would say to them,
Are we not men and brothers ?' Cannot Man-
chester thrive without our impoverishment, and.
is it absolutely necessary that we should all go
up to be taxed 10d. in the pound, in order that
every Manchester gentleman who only made
£90,000 last year should make up his £EIO,OOO
next year ?"

THE LATEST NEWS.

BY BRITISH AND IRISH MAGNETIC TELEGRAPH.'

FRANCE.

PARIS, Feb. 20.

Mom. Ferdinand de Lesseps and the Duke of
Albonfra were yesterday received in a private
audience by the Emperor, who gave them the
positive assurance that M. Thouvenel has already
received instructions to seize the first opportunity
of entering into negotiations with the English
Cabinet, with the object of removing the last
obstacles which oppose the realisation of the
Suez Canal project.
The Moniteur publishes a circular from the
Minister of Public Instruction to the archbishops
and bishops of France, intimating the customs,
laws, and principles which have established the
incontestible authority of the Church over the
religious society. lie recalls the great confidence
and liberty afforded by the Emperor to the
Church, but that liberty cannot be allowed to
become an expedient for agitation. The disagree..
ment between the Emperor and the Pope refers
only to temporal questions. The Minister regrets
that some priests have abused the liberty of the
pulpit, and he hopes the bishops will bring_them
back to their, way of duty. Thu Emperor will
always be happy to protect the French clergy,
lout he energetically wills that the laws be main-
tained and executed.

The French Minister of the Interior has
addressed a circular to the Prefects of bepart-
Incas, stating that it is necessary to put an end
to the agitation of the Roman question, and cites
the law which prohibits the publication of pam-
phlets which have not previously been sanctioned.
Reference is also made to a law which awards a
correctional penalty to the abuses of the pulpit,
though the Government does not think it oppor-
tune to prescribe the strict application of this law
at once. The Emperor desires peace and liberty
for religion, but he wishes that his authority
shall also be respected, as it is the keystone of th.e
arch under which are guarded inc linereSl23 01
religion as well as order.

The commercial reports from Paris speak of
the continued stagnation of business till the
result of the debate in the English Parliament
on the treaty. of commerce is made known.

Letters from Lyons state that there are already
English buyers waiting there for the conclusion
of the debate, to make large purchases.
Twenty columns of yesterday's Moniteur aro
filled with the unabridged report of Mr. Glad-
stone's budget speech. It is prefaced by a few
lines, highly complimentary to Mr. Gladstone as
a financier and parliamentary orator.

FRENCH FUNDS.-
PARIS, Fe'). 20.
3 20 p.m.—The Bourse remains very dull.
Rentes opened to-day at 67 95, but afterwards
receded, and closed at 67 80, or about s lower
than the closing quotations of Saturday.

ITALY.

RAVENNA, Feb. 19.

The Governor Farini has been received with
great enthusiasm at Ravenna. The inhabitants
of the towns and of the country came to meet
him. The national guard was drawn up. The
town was illuminated. There was a grand ball
at the Court Palace.