The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1872-11-19 00:00:00

ICULTURAL GAZETTE, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1872.

elbowed out el the way. The moms ef the estentry
will be superseded by • olearly defisipt Lessem right,
wage. will be paid ist sub, the spitem of orewotag that
pays will be the one pursued, d oultivatios and
mere !lbws.' drudge of manure oil to the
land, crooked hedgerow. and hedgerow Weber will be
found la the way of the staampleegh and t iatodually
make way for it, landlord. will Lave to d better
and more millable premise, drela the laud where
required. and where fortuuate tumult to poems a
tonutt who appreolated smolt s.rivestreres, and I. wining
' to pay an Increased rent to won.* them, they 'Moult
try to owu a house • long way S°CJ horn "Short-
attest,' aad eth snide • little capital for inch pure...
I het too old I% oportaroast to with to do away with
game, or game laws allvalter, but deptud on It either
by law or by the fonts of poblie opinion excatige p.m*
preserving will be put an end to and we Wall be noes
the worse. Allntrether, gentlemen, I don't despair ;
but if farmers would summed they must be quite as
iwiestrices ea they have been hitherto, and rather more
olive to the changes which are midair place around
them I have given you • brief outline of my views,
and hope it will °aunt • good diseumion.
The ViCIII-PRISIDMIT said that although they might
ooadole with the Chairmen on the accident he met with
I. having epralned his anols he must say be thought if
one waisted to °mope.. • good paper he must sprain his
Imola, and slay at Lome and write P.---(bear, hear and
laughter). He heartily oangratulated Mr. Homer on
the paper be had prepared for their dimussiou, although
he almoet questioned whether it would lead to moot,
bemuse it seemed to him the views enunciated were so
Meer, distinct, and jos that they mold not but ogres
with them in the main. Hardly anything had been
brought forward but what b. thought one and all of them
would cordially endorse. Ile inferred that the Coal:.
man mitielpthes that Lots of Parliament may be pawed
with reward to torture of land, unexhsasted improve-
ment', and gems. He mould not but think that the
less farmers hal to do with Leta of Parliament the
better—(beer, hear). He sonsidered that as to laud
tasters and game, mutual arrangements bet.. .en land-
lord cad tenant might be made which would be nide-
thotorf to both parties, and quite =Solent for all
purposes. Muth of their Chairman's lecture had been
almost prophet:is: whether they should live to see bis
auttaipations tarried out in their femme be read not
say ;but the improvements he shadowed forth were CO
doubt very esemeary and important Al the same time
they would take ages to produce. Thee* are days
when everybody nearly —permits of all glasses, 'what-
ever their vocaiien—whother law, physis, or divinity—
thiek they knew something about farming. sad have
got some advise to giy, to farmers. A greet deal of
that advise was qulte.Etnitous ; and . like the edries
It was mid was given their professional Mends in
eseh ease, was net w very enuott—(thaghter) ;mill,
he dare say it was given with • good falsettos, and
they meet resides it 114 soh. Perhaps they had beard
the seeedote of a celebrated pugilist, who although
" very good with men," had a wife who thrashed him
whenever she 11140•14 sod about which he we. rather
"chafed" by hi. arneellates. Ells reply was "Well, you
know, it assuses her' and don't burt sae l"—(leughter).
He thought farmers weld afford to receive the Advil* of
amateur end " professiottar fanners in the OWN spirit
—"lt assume them sod deal hurt us," and take it for
just what it is worth. There was one agricultural
prophet of great note, who had broaeht before
the piddle many things of great um—Mr. Nimbi, and
had been, bethought, of great Neviss In many ways,
yet he wrote salt what thawered at Tiptree farm would
do all over the country, but he (Mr. Gongs) did sot
think hi. Essex obey experiewes would be imitable for
the *balk hills of Dorset —(brr, hear). With regard to
their prospects, the chairman very justly said he
looked forward with hope, end he (Yr. (lenge) thought
they might all do the same. The agricultural interest
wu of far too greet importaeos to be allowed to suffer
permanently. Although they mild sot " rig " the
mutton market or the wheat market, ammo very
often did that which they had act in their power.
With regard to the prime of meet, just let them look
beck ally two years to slosh in particular. Thaw they
had • dry maths, and stook Wh4 almost liven away;
and be believed the general pubile were suffering at the
present time from that dry season, together with the
foot sad mouth disease. The puha' had to pay vary
dearly for the Meares Atka had been Imported Into
thitooantry.

Mr. HOWARD said Lord Derby when addressing an
sgrionitaral meeting lately said what he complaleed of
I. all Wass moosiadoes of WOWS was that everybody
brought forward subjests in the way with which every-
body dims agreed, end so destroyed • seetisin amount of
Interest in these; whereat, if they would only treat
subjects in • mouser with ebb* others were likely and
disegree, they would &Menet large numben to their
meeting... With that he thoroughly 'greed. The
ehairreen with his oge and the exostiones be bed
brought to bear on the subject for dimumion had pro-
duced • paw with wideh everybody seemed to agree ;
and no doubt rightly ; but if he (Mr. Homer) meld
throw • firebrand anwegst them he thought it won't
he • very good Whig, for be believed that for improve-
ment and eliciting troth there waa nothlog like a but
disoussios—(laughter and bear hear) The Chairman
had woken about (minim and It. prospect.: now, if
they sonsidered for • moment they could not but
naively* that farmers never had • time when their
prospects were brighter—(lenghter). When he omit
Into that room he had no idea of swims • word, much
lees of undertaking to bring forward • sub) at for diir
cession; and had he not promised beton Mr. Gongs
hada Bing at the professional advisers -(lestghterl—he
eertainly should not have felt inclined to do so. How-
ever, he maintallood before them that there never had
been snob glorious prospects for farmers as at the
present time—(ironical applause). He said so advisedly
and with we; and he thought U he drew their atter.
Non to one or two fade they would osmosis the point:
Indeed, he almost fended that he meld enlarge his
views on Mole gnestiou Into • paper, and if he did he
was sere the Chairman would take it in good gram.
Why were farmers prospect. good? In former days
everybody thought that LI they wanted to get into •
sorted little heaves below all they bad to do war to
take • farm: If • tradesman mold only aosainalato •
thousand or two pounds and get • farm, he was happy
for the rest of his life. What was the sonsequenes
Many who wanted farms did not look for • due return
for their capital: if they meld only make • small per-
°outage it didn't matter for they were no happy sad
oomfortable—lords of their little manors, retain for
capital was • secondary oonsideration. Now that time
was past altogether. People began to find • farm was
not snob • gelds(' places. was imagined ; and that it
required • greet deal of hard work, mush skill, and
attention-1a fact that all the requisites in • ;nooses-
ful tradesmen were seeded by the agrioultarist ;
eeossematly men began 03 think if they took up such
• Mama they ought not to have a less return for their
moital than the tradesman; that the old 5 or 10 per
sent of the farmer would not do, they mast woks 20 or
more like other traders and manufacturers. The result
was that there were not so many applicants for farms
as there used to be. Formerly If • man bed three or
four seas, wherever there were farms he must take
Wes whatever their prim, or the old lady would never
forgive him—(lenedo.); but it was so no longer, and
Aire wee not now that competition for forma Ten
years ago farms were wanted In every direction, and
there was not one to be let; but now, U they went to
great men of this county—b. would not mention
assess; mese of the members knew them —they would
say "I want tenants for inch and seek forma," which
showed that men were not now rushing after them, bet
looked steadily at the return to be obtained; and,
thessfore, be said, there never were better provosts
forth.. than at the present moment. If be had
succeeded in throwing a firebrand amongst them he
should be exceedingly delighted, and he would awry it
on at the next swedes, so he advised theta all to be
present to relate him, or eke his statements would go
forth as the views of the elab—(laughter, and hoar,
hear).
Mr. Wittnidi theagbt the fact of there being fewer
ap for firms showed that there was Wei profit
to from farming. Hs oriesidered their pros-
pects hung on a thread. They were under the his. of •
Liberal Government; liberal however, not to serviced-
taro, but to all their partis we who had any infiumos
to ride down the aristocracy and I uodedoormy of this
country. The Liberals were a party that never pail
any eteeetsoo to anything emanating from the landed
Interest. Talk about going book to the days of old:
what payments had they to make la their forefathen'
time and how were their poor rates, and way rates,
sad the net now increased, and histieslag? The
profits of forming would sweatily be diminished by the
higher rate of wages and greater taxation; and it was
quite swede they would maw from the rasesures this
tioverassest Introdaeed—(hear, hear and no.) Higher
pion alone would not oarry them throngh. He bad •
presentiment that they should go to the doge--(laugh-
ter, and Mr. Howard "Tog mean after the doge—
hunting.") Mr. Howard had put It in • laaginnis sort
of way; bid It was no seaming thing to go into the
" sweating room" at • bankeee—(laughter)—and not to
have any pound., shillings, and pease in your
But to be serious; he believed that to sorry on ipin.i.
aratlag
media* at the present time, they meet kayo a agnate
Mears of the land, nod sompensatlon foe easzkaneted
Improvesesals meet deektedly —Queer, herrn He advo-
elated two years' notice to quit without a Imes, and
payment for unexhansted improvements, believing meth
sooditiose would he foe the bewail of the country and
themselves, as well an the leadlords ; for the land would
not then be deteriorated by the outgoing Waldo or the
inseam find the land bangered and be occupied thne
or four years before he *odd get from it the quantity
of prodnoe it ought to yield—(heor, hear).
Mr. HOWA2I) reiterated his plausible theory, put for.
ward for fan more than anything else, of the better
prospects farmers have now than their predecessors.
Mr. G. W. Hoer in said he should Go:wider the impedi-
ment. to saeosesiul farming under two heeds—those
which came from the hand of Providence, and them
which name from the hand of man. Under the first
head he included droughts, excessively wet semons,
blights, and rattle disown. In the last few years 014117
one connected with farming must have suffered more
or less from each one of those causes. Two years ago !
In maisqueoes of the drought most farmers roduoed
their stook to about thro*fourths of what they ought
to keep, and when they had tech a semen for growth
that they had a large quantity of food lot otitis, they
had not the stock to consume it, and therefore were
suable to make that return which they should have
done. Closely connected with that was the cattle
disease which operated against their purchasing more
stook, and seriously crippled the oonactmlog powers of
the animals they had. Two exesesively wet seamen
had led to the production of • very email quantity of
sons. 'The =Meg today grown In this musty last
, seism was not more than 15 per mut, of the aversge
predate. He should be glad for them to correct him
If he were wrong; but he did not believe that many
farmers In Dorset sold more than me-fourth of the
barley for melting they did in ordinary ••••ong.
In this country, and he believed all over &mimed a dry
semen was best for wheat. For two years they had hod
• very had yield, and no doubt that we, the reason the
pies WWI higher now thee for the last few years. As
to cattle dhows, although be bad put that under the
head eV Impediments by Providence, he still attributed
that partially to bad legistatioa. He thought it
Government had been more sinful In the Importation
of animals, and provided for • more rigid quarantine,
this 'country would be free from some of the wont forme
at dimes now very prevalent. a was true the settle
plague—that dreadful disease which kills all it touches
—was as yet smiled to a very small district in Nog-
land, but, had proper measures been take., it might
have been prevented mashing our shores for the 'mond
time within our loomodee, Agein, with millard to
pleurovaremodo, they beard of oesslaat outbreak' in

Bristol; aid Barely the logielatioa should heist OM
subsets Would tots this country should some in •
proper eoadition: The disease seemed to be bred at
beard the ships ill which they were Wrought over, by
over•esting,thordeedirt,end the thry wretelied soothe-
sedation for tom la the yawls. If due preesetithe
were adoptel that sash animals might be kept Is
quarantine for • time, teethed of Wog dimeminated
through the length and breath of the land, mush
dimese would be prevailed. No farmer, he thought,
had ever experienced mush • season es the last for foot
and mouth Werth. He believed that hardly • sheep ia
this tenantry had seeped ; and sot oily had they
suffered for • week, or two or three, but the offoots
owitleued for mouths after the disease left them. He
thought that arose from the excessive moisture of the
lead keeping their Got in an unusually loft and us-
natural °maiden. He was sorry the rain had come
again, for be thought with the dry we Aber they were
getting better to a considerable extent H• would now
add • few words about the Impediments from the hand
of was. Speaking of this ha was moth amused by
reading the reports in the daily papers under Ho head of
'• Pediment out of seadoe. was odd "ht the
multitude of soluteillors there is wisdom," but he had
failed to lied anything good in that solemn. Very
much was said about farmers and the sgricultural inter-
est, and he noticed that of the two parties, the aidlo4ll
harped as mush as possible on the Lead Laws, wWe
the Oonservatives' thief topio was the Labour QaceUk.
Why they should each ride their partionlar hobby be
did not know, bet each party In their generation
seemed to be 'Amer ou those points repo:stingy than
on any other. The Bodiedi seemed to think the Laud
Laws should be very mush altered: he billeved some
of them wonted the Meth to buy the land and let It oat
Is convenient allotments or something of that sort.
Theo the Otheerratithe were very tenth interested Is
the labour Q iestion, and had found out lathy ways of
oaring the &Moult, to their own satisfaction, though
he did not think they had propounded sorthm,
very practical at present. Hs believed the
Lebour Qlestion would work its own earn The
agitators had no doubt antheeded Is raising • bad
feeling between employers and employed: they
bad been sapecielly rife in this county, bthause Dorset
had been cried no es a county for low wages, justly or
soluttly on the average he would not pretend to say,
but he altogether disputed the fast he reed of in the
Timer the prerioin day, that Desist was a lower fold
county than Wilt.. Hs had had • little expreithoe of
paying wages is both couuties, and he knew where
they earned the most money. One of his labourers—a
quiet unaieuming man up to this time had given him
notice to leave. Be asked him why, and be 'valid "It
was noses to stay: be only got into debt." Up fie that
time be tad never thought of adding tap the essa's
earning, but be subesgosetly did go, and found that
Inas the 6th of April hie wages canteto 17s. • week la
melt out of which he bad to per Is. per week for rent
of house, 70 perehee of land, and fuel. He tb
that was gale equal to El or 21s. • week. Baat6l2
tales if the agitators had been no rung into his ears
that be was beginning loftily to believe be was starved.
In that he (Mr. Homer) took no sethent of the laiga
of the rest of the family; sad he thoeght be bad only
two who did sat work. Bosh a ease had only to be
put before the puha* to show its absurdity. They
knew of men who had goes to the North of &gland—
it was in the experienee of everyone of them who
heard anything from the north that those men were Dot
earning the wages they did before they went away.
The greater part of those who bad gone frees the
neighbourhood in whith he lived he was aura they were
very glad to get rid of: he had heard a little of some
of them, and hoped they would never some beak again.
Ho was ethiefled the Labour Quetta§ would work its
owe cure if they would only apply their common
seems diode to meatier it. Let them have labour paid
for by messuremeet and not by the day. • man who
worked well by the pleas when found In the fold at
day work would be noting on his tools, net that be
meant to rob than, bet he itherics4 the pretties from
his father and grandfather. Bel that gado= mast be
broken through they ware to pay higher wage they
must have • good day's work for the mousy; sad he
thought Dorset farmer. would be prepared to pey good
wages when men did *good day's work. niece was
nothing like payment by the pities, and be hoped that
system would oome more and more late vogoio—(boot,
hoer)•

N. Vanua mid that ets ()Midis& he did not like
the forepart of flr. G. Hefner% remarks. He (Hr.
Homer) attributed to • most gnome and haft* Priv
ridmoe many ills farmers wore sawing nailer. Us.
propitious ammo' in attributed to the hand of Provl•
dam ; but ho (Kr. Vertu) said in his humble opinion
Providiines had nothing to do with them but that they
remitted from •Masepheris niceness in the natural
oast of tin world. He did not think Providesee
should be Warned for all the Martgemlnp of farming.
While other sonntries eirieyed wash • tion el Mhos
on regarded rattle gush es mg NW Auks emealem,
here from cdrommieness 'bleb be wee net phllemplger
moult to eaplain—theegh perhaps Dr. Drew would
tell them another day—thare wore influences wileti
interfired with foraging permits. Cattle cliches bi-
lo wed masons of nordisate moisture arid humid
atmosphore, but other oountries Ind • beautifal &sang
and were free; yet they in their tarn were 'inject to
sirens indeeneas : but ho did not think they should
blame Providence for It. At one time be nought Kr.
Hornet. remarks wen bordering on (blasphemy —(" no,
120.

Kr. G. W. HOltili said ha did not blame Providgeoo.
The Vion-Pasuom thought Mr. Vertus had taken
I realm extreme view of Hr. Homer's remarks. It
seemed to him Mr. Homer acknowledged the imports.
tendons. of Provklenee, end Mr. Vedas disputed it.

Mr. Caarnits SItIXDUS could not say he quits
agreed with Mr. Howard that the prospects of formers
ware so glowing as he depicted ; but he hoped
they would turn out more prosperous thee they now
appeared- Farmlzut ought t 3 be reasugerative, and
he hoped they shoeld see the time when there would
be • law giving greater oompensation for usexhausted
improvement, then In time pmt, for it WM Me of the
greet nemesities a the day—(beez, bear). Legislation
on the Game Limo, Match was so much mooted, he
was not quite so sun about • but a goofsystem of
tenant rigot wee very muoh neided by the agrGaltural
interest, and It would *fact good te all °lames.

Mr. ilOwann said • word-on the Li-boar—Qesetion.
II was all very well for them to say the meth who went
to the sortie were deesired, and did not got the wages
they did hem but the lad mutinied that we. ooatiatted
to mend they remained there—(" They suet get mesas
to some book ")—sed he thou/hit it valid be both.
advantage of it. ell to really get st the truth of the
mataera. Eie thought there was so slaw of men so
mush se farmers who ought to rrjelee la high wages
amongst the labouring alarms—if anything shield lead
them to go through the strimpte with flags aid banners
and beads of made, it should be high wages for labour.
ere, hessian with good wages they would became a
sew mast oonsuming population, lead the farmers
woeld get oven higher prises Hum now for their fat
stash; sod the ineremeed prosperity of the &Wean edam
of late years wee one of the reasons some of *ma (the
(amen) had bees making their fortunes—(laughter).
Mr. HAWKERS: You don't want meat any higher, de
you?

Kr. HOWARD: Yoe, by all amok for Ks Mad fooling
I ham Sowards tho Wows —(langotor owl .boor.).

The Pireinnirr rut offered a few remarks on the
disouesios. He agreed with re orenrations of Mr.
Gene. Le to Kr. Howard's remarks he minournd
only ea far—that there re lees sosapetitioa for farms
than there seed to be a few yews's., sad he attributed
It to two orses--iret, tits': fanalag was not lord to
be a profitable buds...; and, serad, that farmsmow-
a-days rushed more capital than ever beton to stook
them, ousequently men were not In sub • harry it
My out thew money In that way. Considers the
eepitel a farm took now as compered with the smear
required 90 years ago, there was not that return for the
inentatest they got formerly. They knew Mare were
never so many farms in the market as now, and he
believed there would not be that demand for them while
twine of stook remained so high. Thu the Labour
Quern wee souther element affeetiag fl He had
thought over the Labour Q metro • great deal, and
bad Wended saying something about It In his paper,
but he CAIN to the oasolusioa that the lees tree was
said about it the better. If higher wages were given is
the north, sum mild easily get there by rail, and would
go. That would be found out in • very shoat ton.;
and I. felt, as he rid lath. paper, they arid give
a fair day's wage foe a fair day'. work* and adopt
money payments. They all knee, se Mr. Whittle rid,
hoe rates had infrared In lb. last 30 or 40 years. Is
hie own parish (Kartinidoorn) they had risen from £lOO
to £4OO a year in his 1111p014•8011. With regard to what
Kr. 11. Honer had rid IMP to runes be agreed with
him that everything was mired by Providence. If
they believed the Word of God they aeknowledged that
not a sparrow foil to the ground without the knowledge
of God. They knew very well that serene were in
God's hands, and weld not take the view adopted by
Yr. Fortes that titer were all by rases. No doubt
elliontio lalineare were peak but they meet askarre
ledge in all Kliegs the over-,_g hand of God--(hosr,
beer). lie asked tisern to reuse his saying more. He
should bar enlarged on the different heeds in hie
paper but be wished to keep the lecture ems short as
possible. Farming won soar elaborate briars, that
Lad he gate into racily he might have written for a
foe/eight. He got up the lettere from the neersity of
the situation of the club, and wee very much obliged to
them for reoeiving it in she way they had done.
Kr. DANIS moved • vote of thanks to Mr. Hoerr,
and said that for very many years be had not heard so
interesting and erelleut • leers*, or • saltiest more
thoroughly disoured. He was ere the meeting most
have been very entlefaetory to everybody present.
Yr. CRAPIIiN flansimms speared the motion.
The Passumirt returned thanks, and the meeting
ended.