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e a young malt's
A little too much for your conelitttion 7--A little too
much. He drank, but I uever see Inca drone.
What makes you withent speaking to the claimant say
positively that bets tot Mr. "[Wilber. ?—ilecause he has not
the same features as Mr. Tichborne, and Mr. Tichborne had
his ear ateeetmel to the bottom of hie face, and this men hes
note I remember this perfectly. I made a deelaration at
Rio. I was aware that the plaintiff had seld that I did not
put on board the Belk certain things that he had left with
me. In my declination tsar, "As the slap has not sailed, I
go twice on hoard le the course of the day to see Mr. Thee
borne, and hand ltii, various things that he has at behind."
There Is no Rich statement as this in my diary.
The Lord Chief Justice : This declaration wed made not
during the continuance of the present suit, but in Irtee, to
prove the death of Mr. Tichborue, for the- perpose of the
then existing Chancery suit,
Re-examined I have been Its Paris for some time since
my arrival in London en h visit to my sister. There is no
ground whatever for saying that I detained or stele any of
Mr. Tiehboree s things.
To Mr. Serjeant Balimdine The two photographs handed
to me of Mr. Tichborne and the plaintiff are mine, end I
have written upon them. (The inseriptioes were read On
the copy tif the Chill daguerreotype the witees" had written
that it was Roger Tichborne nil thee ef the claimaat he had
written to the effect that it wee a picture of " Arthur Orton,
son of a botcher at Wappieg.")
The Forefeet, of the Jury John Moore. in his evidence,
statel that standing on the steps of the hotel at Santiago he
saw the claimant ride away and take the 31elipillaroad. Is
this witoess's knowledge of Santiago sufficient to °nettle him
to say whether it was possible, from the poeltiow.e: the hotel
for Moore to have seen that.
Witness examined by the Leted Chief Justice : I knew
Santiago in Chili. I have stilyea there twelve days. I know the
Hotel L'Auglaise, It Was there that we stayed. I know
the road from ;Santiago to Valparaiso, since I came by it
from Valparaiso to Santiago. Ido not know the road front
Santiago to Nielipilla. I was in Peen about four months
before I entered the service of Roger Charles Tichborne.
Did you ever see Roger Tichborne's aruts bare have
seen his arms, hut I did not notice theta,
Did you see them bare I—l cant reMeniber, but! meat have
seen them when he was washing.
Del you see any tettoe tnarka 0-1 don't remember.
Mr. Serjeant Belle:10m I should like the jury to see the
illery of the eitnesa. With the eaception of line end:Alen
the declaration is an exact transcript of the journal.
Madame Chatilion examined (through the interpreter),
by the Attormy.tleueral :My name is Eleanor Chatilloo. I
was married to 31. Chatillon on the 14th of December. 1033.
Shortly alter that I lematne acquainted with Poger Charles
llehborue. 1 saw him occasionally frem time to time when
he was a child. My kneeled was occasionally ay. ay from
Faris on tours with Roger. I knew 31. Laturet, who Was an
fittimeto trial Aof Iteger's. I knew M. d'Aranza. Ile came
to my house with Mr. TichhOrne and Roger. He War aver)'
intim:de frieed of Mr. James Tichborne. I also knew the
Abbe Salts, who was an intimate friend of Madame Tleh-
berne. Ile has been at my house to breakfaet with M.
Chatillon. The last time I saw Roger Charles Tichborne
was the day before his departure; When he came to make
his adieu to M. Chatillon. I mean, before he went away to
South America he had breakfast with us.
Diii you see any thing upon his arm?—Yes, that impreseed
me very mech. Mr. Roger was facing me when I went to tell
31. Chatillou that Mr. Roger was waiting to see hint. He
made a movemmtt with his hand, and I PAW some marks or
something blue on his arm. 31. Chattllon teal not present at
the time, but he came afterwards. I rdehtioned what I had
seen to M. Chatillon. I AAP etniidiug in holt of Mr. Roger,
and was very unions to PM %Malt was. hsud to al Chetilloe,
"Ask Mr. Roger what that is he has got on his ann." lie
showed it to me. I saw three letters, It. C. T., an anchor,
and a hetet. I thought t saw a cross. That was the lest
time I taw him. At that time he was a slim man with a
Jung face, lie was a nice-looking young man, end his
mannms were timid. Ile had no movement or twitelling
about the eyebrows. Ile had very hands:Wm eyes, and a very
nice look.
Was there anything peenliar about his legs? Was he
knock.kneed7—leh, no, air; lie walked perfectly.
Do you reeollect the claimant coining to Paris h—Yes, per-
fectly.
Del eon see him 7—No, but I should have liked to. I saw
the Dowager Lady Tichborne. She came to our heard after
the claimant came to Paris. M. Citalillon hAt learned that
Sir Roger had returned, and he thought it very extraor-
dinary that the young man whe had known him so well, and
Who had breakfasted with hint the day before he went away
should not have come tome him.
What did Lady Tichborne say when she came to your
house?—She came about eleven o'clock and asked for 31.
Chatillon. I saw her. She tout me she heti come to see Me
Chatillon, fir she wished him to see Sir Roger. She aloe said
I she would like me to come to England.
I Cross-examined by 31r. Serjeant Ballantine.—l remember
the marks itn the arm thoroughly, and could not make any
I mistake about them. At the Bret moment I new only abler
mark.
I Re-examined by the Attorney-General—The drawings
shown to nee show the general appearance of the marks. I
I cannot exactly explain their nature.
Gossin D'Aranza, examined by Mr. Chapman Barber:
am a epattiael but 1 have lived hi England a long time. I
have also resided in l'aris fir a number of team I knew
Mr. James Tichboene and Mr. Roger Tichborne well. I
knew Roger before he went to Sitoeyhurst. I dined with
him in l'aris, at his father's, when he came over in 18e3.
He was thin and delicate, and about five feet six inches
high. His hair was dark brown, and his eyebrows were
dark. I mem saw eny twitch about his eyes. I never
noticed that he was knocked.gnee'd or in-knee'd. I never
noticed any peculiarity in his thumbs, but I never examined
them, lie sptke French very well. He spoke nothing but
French to me 101 l the last day I saw lam, and I told him I
was very sorry he did not make much progress in English. I
have seen the claimant several times In this court. My
opinion of him that evidently he Is not Roger Tichborne.
Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeatit Ballantine I never con-
versed with the claimant at all. I judge simply from his
appearance. I have heard him speak, fur I was in court
during part of the time he wag giving his evidence. lam
quite confident that there was no twitching about Roger
Tichbornes eyes—it is not a matter about which I meld
have forgotten. I never said that Roger Tichborne was
knock.knee'd. lam positive he was not. I saw a good deal
of hint, for tuned to dine with his father Constantly.
Robert Mansfield, examined hy Mr. Bowen : I formerly
practised at the bar on the Western Circuit I now live in
Hampshire. I was elected a member of the Alfred Club, I
thiuk in 1847. Mr. Washington Ribbed is my first COUbill.
and I used to be a frequent visitor at Baton Orange. Ott once
occasion-1 think in 1849, but at all events it was before he
joined his regiment-1 spent a fortnight there when Roger
Tichborne was staying there too. I saw a great deal of him
on that occasion, for every evening we used to sit together
for three or four hours in the smoking-room. I have the
most vivid recollection of his features and appearance. IA
passage from plaintiff's eVidellCO was read, ill which he
denied ever having been at lalton Orange in his life II
have
.not the slightest doubt but that Roger had a bird's-
eye mew of 8i1t.41 Grange. Almost every visitor was taken
up the tower to see the view. I myself went up several
times. I should not think anyme would foreet Hilton
er Gena' after seeing it. I next taw Roger Tiaborne in
London. I saw him at the Alfred Chile I was there one
day, and was putt going to have luncheon, when Roger
walked into the coffee-room 1 asked him how long he had
been a member, and he said he had jest been elected I aid
u not know ntil then that he was a member. We hail lun-
cheon together. I never saw him after he joined his reel.
meet. (Sir. Bowen here read the evidence of the cinema,
in which he sahib° did not know Mr. Mansfield, and hoc was
not a member ol the Alfred Club.]
By the Lord Chief Justice.—l do not recollect meeting
Roger anywhere else.
Ily Mr. Bowen : I called him Roger, as we became great
when we met at Bilton Grange. The Alfred Club
became extinct in 1554. These are some of the hooks of the
club (books prmlmed). Rom r wag e member between 1949
10 1853, when he was entered on the lists as absent. I have
seen the claimant in court, and I am certain that he is not
Boger Charles Tiehborne.
Crose-exainined by Mr. Serjeant Ballaatine. Have ydu
hearth other pm pie give their evidence o—Yes.
Then you have heard them say as positively that he is Sir
Roger Tichborne. Have you conversed with him?—No.
Had Roger any peculiarity about hie eyebrows s—l do not
recollect anything about them.
Was he perfectly straight-legged P-1 don't know ; I know
he had two legs, but I don't know much more ;laughter).
Sir George lionyman to 31r. Serjeant Ballantine Roger was
cnly on the books of the Alfred ass full member in 1849, and
afterwards ants absentee.

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Witness : I never saw him there after 1049.
The Abbe Salle examined by Sir G. Flonyman My name
is Sebastian John Sails. I reside at Paris. I arrived at
Pane in 1638,11111 i was there in 1539. 1 had apartments at ,
3414, Rue St. Honore, and lived under Me. Tichhorne. 3lr.
Jainca Tichborne and his wife lived on the first floor of the
same house, and in 1539 I came to live at that house. I be-
came aequainted with them in 1939, anti became intimate
with them. I remained on the best ternis with Mr. Thli.
bone while he was in Paris, and even paid him a visit in
England afterwards. I became acquainted with Roger Charles
Tichhorue in 1539, and I continued to know him well until he
left Parisi, Stonyhurst, and I renewed it at the time of his
going into the army, and it continued until his departure for
hislong journey. The day before he left for the voyage I dined
with him and NI. &Amur. H. Chatillon was his tutor when 1
flint knew him, anti afterwards NI. Laforet. After M. Laforet
I gavm,film instructions for six weeks. M. Jonival was after-
wardiPhis tutor for three years. I remember Roger Tieh-
borne and 31. Jonival going down to St. Moron.
Did Roger go to school at any time I—lle went to school
after M. that'llon hail ceased to he his tutor. When he was
under my care I continued the instruction he had received
under his tutors in geography, history, and Latin.
Were you ever his confessor. i—N ever. (sir George Hotly.
man read the evidence of the claimant, wherein he aaid he
had confemed frequently to the Abbe Salta Emmination
continsed I was here on the 15th June. I was requested
o be present.
The Lord Chief Justice I think all the gentlemen from
Prance were here on that occasion.
Examination continued After Roger Tichborne left Paris,
every time ha returned he came to pay me a visit, and always
on the next day. He continued to be very intimate with nos
until he left for America. I perfectly well remember the
day of his departure. I dined at Mr. James Tichbonie's on
that day, in company with M. Chatillon, Roger, and M.
ii-Aranza. After dinner we went into the adjoining room—
Hem awl aimmient o mgdp, olmenro4

a tatooing. I did not . dins upon it ; but, on the
contrary, disapproved ot
Tell as What It was you saw I—l saw some marks, but at
this lapse of time I cannot say what they were. Re un-
covered them In a moment, but as I did not express my ap-
proleition, but the contrary, lie covered them again imme-
diately. I did not see enough of the marks to distinguish the
signs. The language I spoke to Roger alweys French. I
do not understand English. Roger zpoW Frond) perfectly,
and continued to do so dawn to the last time I saw him in
February, 'o°", the day before his departure. After the de-
partere of Mr. James Tichborne to England Madame Tieh-
borne, I think, remained in Paris for some time ; but I am
not sure of that. I continued to be en Intimate terms with
Madame: Tichlsorne even up to 1867 awl ree.. Vie were al-
ways on the same term,: pest ere we Were a little cool in
the later months xi 'B7. I heart from Lady Tishborne
that *he e'es bxpecting the arrival of her son in Paris.
Did she ever bring the plaintiff to see you ?—Never.
Did become to see you himself?—Never. I was present
in court on several days during the examinatein of the
plaintiff. Of c. urse. I heard him weal! se :oral times, and
I had full opportunity of enlist his features. I examined
hen thoreuehlw Once he came down from the witeess-
bee, and pcased close to me, and I looked at him very care-
Is he or is he not the Roger Tichborne you knew In Paris?
—lie is not the Roger Tichborno I knew In Paris—he has
nothing of him,
is there a French translation of a beok called The Garden
of the Soul I—Not that 1 homy of. ,never maw it. It is
possible that such e heek mey exist, but I do not know of it.
[A wear teat head from the plaintiff's evidence in which
he stated that he used to read devotional exercises (rem a
French translation of the " (Arden of the Soul," which WilA
a book commonly used in France
Is it true that you ever advised Lady Tichborne, not to let
M. Chat illon see the plaintiff ?—Noit is not. I Meet said
to Lady Tiehborne that Chattllon htte seeti the other parties.
I did say that Cliotillon bad not recognised the plaintiff as
Roger Tlehborne. That was after Chatillon hail seen the
plaintiff. if:dr George lionyman then read evidence in which
the claimant said that the Abbe Salis had advised hismother not
to let hen see Clmtillon, and he had made op ids mind not
to recognise him as Roger.]
Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant Rallantine I saes Lady
Tic:theme for the last time In eepterelmt, Lille. I have had
several convermtioes with het See* the claimant. I have
said to her alarniattVeiN that he Wils not her sou, because
it wail. his habit to come immedietely to see air. When
eady aiehlierne spoke to me for the first time after the
return of Roger, I said that after his shipwreck he must
have been in a state of great suffering, and it struck vie
very much that he should not have written to Ms family to
state his case and auk for help All this Ihne I knew about
the tattoo mat ks. It hod utter plussee out of my memory. I
never sold eie Oleg to tidy I ichborne about the tattoo marks,
hem:self I ldd slid so she would lave said that it was untrue.
That I state on my oath. Firstly, I knew from the Tiohborne
family all the search that had been made eq. Roger. I said
to her that I could not believe that Roger, who Mel er, ex-
cellent heart, could have remained so lime without co =a-
nimating with his family. I mote to Mr Culletou about the
tattoo marks iu A pre lase, for -the first time.
Re-eeamined.—l only saw the claimant in this court. I
ceme to the eouviction—perfeetly without heeitstion—that
he was not Roger Tichborne.
At the conclusion of the Abbe's evidence,
The Foreman of the Jury, ashireesktig the Lord Chief
Justice, said --We hive now heard the evidence regarding
the tattoo marks, reel, veiled to your lordship's directions,
and to the hearing ot any further evidence that the learned
comiste May desire to place Snore us, lam authorised to
state that the jury do not require further evidence.
Mr. Serjeaut Ballantine: I need hardly express that which
I believe is universally felt throughout the kingdom - comely,
the feeling of gratitude for the great attention and care
expended by the jury during the investigation of this
case. I sired net etttropt to diminish the weight of the
observatioe Made by them, but I think teat both
they and your lordship will feel that before I
make any definite reply upon a matter of such
grave and deep importance to the pers.. I represent,
that I should have an opportunity of commenicatieg with
my teemed friend Mr. Glffard, who has been obliged ei leave
town ; and, therefore, under the circumstances, I ask your
lordship to adjourn this ease until to mortoer morning.
The Attorney-General I detit wish in the slightest degree
to press upon me learned friend to do that which he is not
at the Mement prepared to do; and, of course, the intima-
tion on the part id the jury is one expreesed iu general
terms; but after that intimation expressed in general
terms, and knowing the great attention that they have paid
to the case, if the jury have arrived at a conclesien I should
not think it right to trouble them with any further evidence
myself. At the tame time it is ineeneenient not to know the
course which my learnc:l friend proposes to take.
The Lord (lief Justice I think some adjournment is
ireenstery.
ele eerjeant Ballantine: I should like to supplement my
application by fliiiill4 that the curt should alleerrn until
Wednesday. My learned friend, Mr. Gifford, has been
obliged to leave town, and I should like to have time to
enable nie to have the benefit of his sessistanee In coming to
a conclusion. Be should be telegraphed to at once.
The Lord Chief Justice t I think it right that our brother
Ballantiete elevate have an opportunity of communicating
with Mr. Gilead, and the care may be adieu:nee until
Wednesday. Tim jury have intimated their opines of the
case at this stage, and no greater attentiou was ever paid to
a case than the Jury have paid to this. But it will not escape
your attention (to Mr. Serieont Ballantinc) that there are
other very serious matters in the Chili evidence which call
for your consideration.
Mr. Serjeant Ballantine ; Yoar LeelShlp *III, t ant imre,
warden me, but I do not emit() to tie challenged on thsse
Matters now,
the Curl thief Justice I desire to rent out to you that
there are matters also brought into the evidence which are
net matters of opinion, for evidence bast been giveu on both
bides regardiugethe actual condition of the ears.
Mr. Serjeant eallantine : Your hardship will pardon my
not desiring to go on further new, for, ender tlie circum-
stances. I desire to have time fur eonsideratlon.
The Attoreey-Oeneral asked that the jury would read
the words again, and the words were once more read by the
telethon.
The Lord Chief Justice n I think 'the question now is only
whether we should adjourn till to-morrow or Wednesday.
Mr. Serjemit Ballantine : If your ',reship pleases; be-
cause any word uttered now might, Upon reflection, need
modification, and, under these Circumstances, I ask you to
=Wive the ma, lentil Wednesday =riling, when I shall be
fully prepared to make It statement as to what course I shall
paste.
The Lard Chief Justice : I think, under those circuit,
stemma, that would be the right ceurse, Mr. Attorney ?
The Attorney-General : An adjournment until to morrow I
could not object to, but until Wednesday—
The Lord Chief Justice t I lee( the position in whit% m
brother Ballantine is plated after this edentate., and I think
It fair Mist he sholald have an opp /trinity of communicating
with Me Gifted on the sulesce I is member being placed
11l a very serioua position in a siimewhat aualogens ease el
sill nut say a similar case—it was the Proofs oxen; and lam
quite sure I should have felt myself Ia a much mole serious
posite. if I had not had an opportmalty of comninnicatieg
with the eminent and hare= gmitlemen at the the with
whom I was then associated. I simile think it right that
my brother Ballantlne should hove an opportueity of con-
sulting Mr, °Weed awl those with /dm in the case.
The Attorney-General As regards en adjournment until
any time to-morrow I quite acquiesce, but as to vies: over
another night I must leave that to your Lerilship. lf your
Lordship thinks it right, of course l have nothing more to
say. There is e gentleman, the very next witness we were
about to call, who must go back to Paris to-morrow.
The Foreman said nAtty one whom the hearnad counsel de-
sire to call we shall be glad to hear.
The Lord Chief eustice n If there is a witness going back
to Pates he may be examinee now.
Mr. Serjsant Ballantine My toted, I shell take no part
whatever in the ease after the intimation of the jury, until
I have hie a full opportunity of communicating with any
learned friends and of considering the matter. Until then I
pass away from the case, and leave the Attorney-General to
conduct it es he pleases.
The Lord Chief Justice n lii" not think, brother Ballantine,
that would be a right coerse to eiltsue.
Mr. Serjeftnt Ballantine n I should feel it disrespected to
the jury to ask another question, without time for considera-
tion, after what has been said.
The Lord Chief Justice: It wonlal be just like examining a
witness before he came into court.
Mr. Serjeant Ballantine I have not the least ohlection to
the evidence being taken out of court.
The Lord Chief Justice: No, it is hot that. If a witness
is to be examined I will preside, and have him examined
before me.
Mr. Serf cant Ballantine: Well, I do not wish to interpose
unnecessarily. I have not done so throughout the case. I
think at this point it is felt that it is not theitable to go
further.

The Attorney-General Very well, rny Lord. We must
keep our witnesses here, or at least we will try.
The Court then adjourned nutil Wednesday morning, at
eleven o'clock.

(From Thr Standard.)

On Wednesday, the 103r11 day of the trial, the case was re-
sumed, and at an early hour the court and its approaches
were thronged with a dense crowd of ladies and gentlemen,
and at half-past ten the precincts of the court were literally
blocked with persons seeking admission, When the doors
were opened there was a considerable rnsh, and the police
had great difficulty in regulating admission.
The Lord chief Justice entered the court Immediately
after eleven o'clock, and at that time the body of the COW%
and the galleries were more densely crowded than has been
the case on any previous day of this trial.
The Foreman of the Jury handed to the Lor 1 (lief Jictice
a sealed document, bearing the New York post-mark, which
he had received in the ordinary course of post.

The lord Chief Jostled, after examining it, i,tid it ap-
peared to he like a great many other letters which had been
addressed to the court, namely, of no con,quenee. Ile had
received many comma nitationsfrem persons w ho hail either
lost relatives, or who claimed property, or who bad other
rights, real or imaginaty. also others front persons who
were evidently labouring under delusions. It was hopeless
or Win to attempt to read them, au he hod banded them
over to the officer of the court. They were at the disposal
of either side if it was thought neeeseary, but they might
take his word far it that they were utterly useltet in this
cue.

The Attorney. General I don't Mink that either my
learned friend or myself wish to sec them.
Mr. Serjeant Eallantne T need hardly say that under
the circumstances of my commultication made by the jury
the day before yesterday, I have considered the position in
which we are all placed with very great anxiety; met I hope
that you lordship and the jury win believe with a very
great desire to do that which was right to all parties, both
with regard to the interests of my client, and also those who
are the defendants epon the present occasion. My lord, 1
have not had any personal ColllllllllliCatioll with my learned
friend, Mr. (idler,' which I greatly regret ; but I have re-
ceived a communication from him in which he has discussed
the matter at considerable length, and in such a manner
as might fairly be expected of him, and in his views as re-
presented in that communication I entirely concnr. I have,
therefore, the satisfaction of appearing here, perfectly in
accord with my learned friend Mr. !MUM, and my other
learned (needs in the rase, and Inlay also say that I have
the full satisfaction of my clients, who are good enough
to say that they entrust their interests to nip dis-
cretion, and in no way fetter nits in that discretion.
under such circumstances I need hardly any that I feel that
there is Is very great weight imposed upon me, and I confess I
should feel very glad if others than myself had ft cast upon
them. I must, however, accept the responsibility, and must, as
Israel can, in accordance with correct judgment, pursue the
course I think right and correct under the circumstances.
Since the day before yesterday I have felt it necessary to recall
to mind the evidence given on behalf of the claimant, because,
although generally it was upon one's ndnd, there were many
details which tnight have escaped it, and I thought it
better not to be under soy misapprehenaion. The particular
portion of the case to which I allude is that which has, is the
progress of the C.1.4C, been rd'erre I to as the tattoo marks.
That is the rortion to which I desire to call your attention,
and in t Mug no I will refer to the words of the jury as re-
ported in the shorthand•writer's notes. "We have now,"
the jury mid, " hair.' the evidence regarding the tattoo
marks, and, subject to your lordship'. direction and to any
fulther evidence the leareed counsel may call before
you, we do not require any further evidence." Now,
I ani perfectly well aware of the position in which the
claimant stands. lam obliged to admit that, unless I can
bring forward satisfactory evidence proving his identity with
Roger Charles Tichborne, I am not in a position to ask for
your verdict, which will give him this baronetcy and these
estates. At the earns tune, I desire to say—and I trust, in
snaking the remark, I shall make it perfectly plain to the
jury—that the statement made by the Jury is slot to my mind
quite clear. Ito the jury mean to convey that they have
satisfie themselves solely in,on that portion of the GUM
which is known as the tattoo marks, or have they formed
their opinion in relation to the evidence set forth in the
entire case? It would be a great idahtiC6 if, In any con-
clusion the jury were to arrive at with respect to the tattoo
marks, and with respect to ether affirmations marls In this
case, they were intake into consideration SIM ex parte
statements made in the course of his sporch by
my learned friend the Attorney Geueral. Many of
such statements have yet to be proved. It is
necessary for the jury to reject statements of that kind
and to be governed solely by statements proved in evidence!
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