The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1874-07-04 00:00:00

4, 1874. THE STOURBRrDGE OBSERVER.

Mr Dixon, who dented that the universal establishment "t
school boards was the main principle of the measure, the
Iloilo divided—For the second raiding et the bill, 156;
againet, 320 ; inajmity, 164.
Some formal business having been disposed of, the nous°
adjourned.

would, aa a grievance, Mr. Butt thought, not be felt
by tile majority of the House. Irish members would
come to the Home as liaw when sum 111111 l ed taw an imperial
Session, but would take 1111 part ilk English affairs : though,
DRAINAGE AND IMPROVEMENT or LANDS (IRELAND) in rettini for permitting the Imperial Parliament to tax Ire-
ACT 18033 AMENDMENT BILL. laud, they would have a right to discuss and vote upom Im-
tenet affair.. Ireland's right to a Parliament of her own, Mr.
In the HOUSE op LORI., June :le, this bill was read a
utt argued, dated from the introduction of English Ceinnion
second time. Law and Magna Charts into the etiuntry ; and ilk a hem
AIMING OF OF TEACHERS AND SCHOOL ATTENDANCE. torical retnemeet he described how the Irish Parliament
Lord liaMptou asked whether the Lord President of the grew up, and 1111 M it had contributed to the prosperity
Council intended to take any measures, founded upon the of Ireland until it was destroyed by the Union On the
representations of the College of Perceptors, with a view to manner in which this Act was obtained Mr. Butt dwelt
the better and more professional training of teachers far at letieth, asserting that the Irish people never had eOll-
Cr and middle class schools ; whether he confirmed the muted Uto it, anal that the tilted Parliament sprung from a
astatement made by the Vice. President of the Council with crime as liliwk as the partition of Poland. Then he traced
regard to tile extremely irregular attendance of children at the history of legislation since the Union, to which he
elementary schools. anti whether the Education Department attributed the decay in the prosperity of the country,
has In contemplation any measures intended to correct this the falling off in the population, Ac. Ireland no longer
serious evil of irregular attendance. possessed Constitutional freedom, the Press was not
Earl Nelsen observed that there were two plans by which free (at this there was a general laugh), the Coercion
the irregularity of attendance might be removed. The one Acts in force surpassed in severity the laws Of ally
country in Europe. Exceptional laws embodying a policy
had reeently been suggested by a Mr. Barrett, and it was that
a higher sum should be charged for education, and a portion of conquest lied been passed lor helmet in every
• it should be returned when the attendances had been branch of the adininibtration On these and similar points I
regular, and the other was that adopted by a large firm in Mr. Butt expatiated with much fervour and strength of lan- 1
alarylebone, viz., to engage children for employment not guage, and, dealing with the charge that the Hhe declared ome Rulers . THE RIGHT OF LORDS OF MANORS
from the parents but from the school. were ungratefi especially to Mr. Gladstone,
that it was only when Ireland could be made useful for
,Er,..r.oritlhn thlasie
bE:nhehieuarerd.C.handi:theer,lh:
TO SHOOT OVER ENCLOSED LANDS.
The Duke of Richmond expressed his full concurrence .....,
itemises that laid) • uestions were taken up by English
in the advisability a having properly trained teachers ! ,'„!1',.,",, Yg.-e-,- - 1 .
' "
for all class. a society, but decliued to act upon the !'' t. As to the practicability of the scheme, Mr Butt
nomewhas crude ideas put forward by um* ci,awg. of , re.ferred to the C )(ample of the United States, Switzerland, cainnse toh;3"Cß'ouwrte rho fy
raised a question as te the right oilords a manors M shoot
Preeepters, . to do is at the present inrinient vs nit be . Austria and Hungary, dm. and urged, among other com
over the enclosed Muds allotMd under Enclosure Acts con-
unfair to the country With regard to irregular attend- i euiduration.s pointin to a ' aration, that Parliannut was
tahang the usual clause reserving their rights.
anee, he fully confirmed Lord Sandon's statenient, which olonousiy overburdened. nun could not get through its
The history of the matter, as collected from the
part of the ' judgments of the learned Judges (which were very
showed the existence of a very unsatisfactory state business satisfactorily.
of things The department were carefully watching The Attonwy- General for Ireland, on the
the operation of the various Acts of Parliament relating to Government, gave a decided and emphatic negative
IT aYitr. long and elaborate), may thus he stated:
,er i.
lg.,
nhttahanefre :kr t7i,fndge,
ihonuv a
ce
irza llrldit..hgneaele‘aenii
compulsion, and, although he could net give any satisfactory Butt'spropeeeig Though Mr. Butt had been coml. et, O ages believed to be the law that lords a manors
withsrlt htto
fhi was
belief,:ilorsr
amswer as to any legislation being in contemplation, he abjure Repeal—because it could not be concealed tha it
hraeasedtpaeetth:e
assured their lordships that the subject was one which was would lie fatal to the integrity of the British enipire, audd, ts
occupying the anxious attention of the department. i Dr. Ball believed, to the peace awl prosperity of Irelan
! neverthelcss his plan contained all the evil consequences of
Lord Lyttelton said it was within the scope of the BlldOWed lir. O'Connell'. Bevel. Foreign and Colonial topics wereright to appoint gamekeepers over the whole of their
Schools Acts to grovide a training college for teachers VT '
.kw k,K,lllkied, but there remained within tlie scone el this new ' manors, and subsequent statutes (sth Anne. c, if ) a
one moor owntinne, the Game Act, lot and 2nd Wan= the middle china.; but the dithculty of obtaining Lewislature such subjects . the rigida of property, internal
IV., c. 32, contained ennilar powers. Mr. Christian, Min to apply the funds for that purpose was very great, ' "
1 administration, commercial legislation, and the reletions •
though a more useful purpose could not be mentioned. Tenant ' and however, in his edition of Blackstone, threw out a doubt of t'apital and Labour and Landlord and
Lord Lawrence observed that the attendance of children 1 five years, Dr. Ball predicted, would teat pass before the new
in the lundon Board School& was about 70 percent., and he parliament would come into eonflict with the British Parlia- whether this view of the law was not errou,gfug, and
thought that tar be a good result. considering the difficulty meet and with the North of Ireland, which, he Inserted. was suggested that it had arisen from the statute of
of obtaining convictions from
red l*f mni iagistrates in eases where th
certaM e to a num oppesedof to Home
lai
Rule. for the saDublinke of enabling on
' lat d
I 'barite! 11. ; mad fitly years ago the Judges began to
permits appeaore then a state of destitution and number gentlemen to decm at without
pleaded the impoasibility of giving up the wages earned by getting thrOugh any businees, Irish members would be
their children. degraded to the Ignoble position of vestrymen, and valuable Ey i own that there was no such right. The curlier
Acts, however, were passed while this view
The Juries (Ireland) Bill arid the Militia Law Amendmeld material interests anti Lancets would be sacrificed. The of the law prevailed, and therefern contained clauses
1101 were read a third time and passed, and. the other haul-
tmoo, Dr. Ball declared, had not a wont to say bar the : reserving to the loafs their rights as lords of m o
anr.,
rusts being disposed of, their lordships adjourned. progress or decay of Irish manufactures, anal to prove ! one of them being described in the ancient language
this Dr. Ball read a long list of trades which had peti- ef the law as the right of " hunting and hawking,
fishin"
SLAVERY ON THE GOLD COAST. Mined the Irish Parliament for aid, litellaring that they were
In the HOUSE or COMMONS. on the Report of the Gold ruined. R hie :to to tin Bu m Butt's argument that the Im g and fowling. In the present ease, the En-
perial 1 elf figure Act be' 4.
: lu,, pa of the' earlier Acts, before
! the General tlnckositre Act, contained a similar clause,
Coast vote—agreed loin Committee of Supply on Thursday Parliament had no leisure to istieed to Irish affairs, le, re-
ferred to the various measures passed by the United Parlla- . .. . .

question lif interpretation and intention, and the in,
tention evidently was to preserve to the lord of ite
manor the right which he bad actually enjopal. The
effect of this was only to preserve to the Lkr,i
the right
j'
which was reserved to all the liviollopli
of England.
whether wither without leases. '..
-- ' e was, therefore,
nothing odious or unre aii astiltiu
'Ai such a view, and,
no d
dealingoubt that this views'
with the
.question in. -one of intention, he had
%vas right. As to the objec-
tion that the saving. -
°anise applied only to manorial
rights, and that
'As was not strictly speaking a
L
man, "ill right , that was a mere question of language;
an. if the 'ltention was to preserve the right, the to in-
'ought to be carried out by the interpretation. e
Dn t.
i:°:e whole, therefore, he and his brother Pollock
I 'concurred with his brother Hon man in thinking that
Ijudgment should be in favour of the lord.

Ai, however, the majority of the Court of Error
were of a different opinion, the judgment will be
against the lord of the manor.

[From Punch.]
A FASHIONABLE LOVE SONG.
By a May Fair Chimantanicie,
0 MO little tea-pot,
My tiny chiny wee pot,
I love my little tea-pot vastly better than my life
Call me silliest of ninnies,
For it cost me fifty guineas,
And with that a pretty present I could purchase for my wife.
I could buy her a new bonnet,
And an ostrich plume upon it,
With a quarter of the money for my tea-pot I have paid :
But I loved it with such madness
That I gave the price with gladites,

And counted myself lucky such a purchase to have made.
My tea-pot's spout is broken,
In a whisper be it spoken,
And pray don't touch the handle, for 'tie riveted, you see

In the side there are sad cracks too,
And a lid my tea-pot lacks too.
And 'tie ugly as 'tin useless in respect of making tea.
Yet I'll aurae my tea pot nightly,
Though in shape it is unsightly,
And its colours have all vanished like the dowers of last
year; But I love my little tea-pot,
My tiny chiny wee pot,
'Cause It is such a rarity, and 'cause it la so dear!

ight--being brought up,--- -----.
Mr. Ashley moved the Resolution of which he had given meet for the benefit of Ireland ; and, ant o the Coercion Acts the effect of which had, it appeared, received a
h h Aved by the division lids that they were passed chiefly; .udicial construction in a case which arose some thirty
notice—that no arrangements for the government of the be eth'e votes of Irish member.. Moreover, since 1832. Liberal I ;rears ago in the Court of Common Pleas, in the time
'territories on the Gold coaat will he satisfactory which in- elinistries had directed affairs. and thei bed been
voive the recognition of slavery in any form. After justify- kept In othee ley Irish meissisen But the red mostlyanser of Lord Chief Justice Tindal—a cue of " Greathead
bag himself for reviving the question by what he described as
to this' proposal was the conviction all men must feel a Morley," where the Court held that the clamie wan
the "brief and evasive " remarks of the Under-Secretary on
that it would destroy the greatness of this country, and the only a reservation of such rights an the lords had as
this point when he was moving the 'Vote, Mr. Ashley, con- o s* . p ~.., eifss . ar ie. lords, and that they had not any ouch right of shoot-
fear thAt thou confined t I i e to Us the ' I I P l•
tended that t. recsaditution of the Settlements afforded the - '
meat mightdenTarge,tits scope, and, bisgintillig y crushing lug or spurting o.er the enclosed lands so that no such
opportunity of middles a new start. Now that the attention
the landior s, wont end by a crusade against the Saxon right was preserved to them
of the emunry had. been directed to the subject, public by the claume of reser v
Rome Rule, though it might have enlisted a few fiftelli en: it-
opinion would beck up the Government M getting rid of
euthesiads, bed swept into a temporary current all thegdist- thm, and that, in short, lords of manors had no rights
slavery, even if lt, cost money. Mr. Ashley risticuled the content of the country ; ant if Parliament inet it firmly ai I but as lord owners of the soil, which were necessarily
islea that it would cat a million, and 31r. Lowther bad sug-
re' fused to listen to It, it would sweaty time sway. " g lost by the us insure Some twenty years ago, indeed,
gestesl-4100,000 would be the extreme sum required. But
if the uovernment would declare that uo British Mr. R. Smyth, who had given notice of an amendment. re- another cane aeoee—the ease of Sir James Graham, in
deed that the Government had met the motion with a
Judge should oe instrumental in enforcing domestic, j which, the Act being later, there was an express re-
slavery, end that no elath should be brought to the deebled negative. lie claimed for Ireland that she was part servation of a right of shooting over all the enclosed
now Coed to be sold, no money would be required, and parcel of the Empire, and he refused to descend with lands ; and in that case the House of Lords held that
e Law er& ---
To lessee the question to the operation of time and Mr. Butt to the
Meet of what Dr. Ball called a local vestry- I the right was reserved. But of th four L
the action of the Colonial officers would con- man. The last argument On alikal h demand:or es Irish s L rilßrougham and Lord Campbell, Lord Cranworth
Parliament should be rested was the example of thie old o
vert domestic slavery within three years into predial be to
slavery,
and the trouble and expense of getting rid of the ineubueand Lord 'Wensleydale—who took art in that
"vassal Parliament," and lie agreed with Dr Ball that Ire- e F decision;
would he indefinitely inereasesl. in no dependency of the land host nourished under the United Parliament. The sepa- the two former said the previous case was different ; and
Crown was slavery recognized, and rather than we should ration ef the Legislatures would lead to the increase of though the two latter said that if it was not different it
falsify our old traditions ha this cage he should Prefer that alaenteeistss, to the reyival of trade jealousies and religious must be taken as overruled, they abstained from saying
the Government scheme should be negatived, and, indeed, animosities, and to other sansequepcee detrimental to the that it was overruled. In the present case, in which, as
that the Gold Coast Settlement should be abaudoned peace and prosperity of Ireland. , alreedy stated, the Act 'wad one of the earlier A site,Mr. J. Lowther first disposed of the charge of brevity end I After remarks from several other hon. members, , passed at a tiine when the olerview of the law prevailed,
evasion by referring to the !speeches of the members who The Marquis of Hartington said he approved the line taken I the saving clause was that the lords of tI coinnor
followed him in the previous debate. none of which showed by the tmearrment in meeting the motion by a direct nega- should enjoy all righto of hawking and hunting, fishing
the smallest misconception of what his bad said. Es- tive. It was the date of Parliament plainly to tell the and fowling within the manor which had been before
pecially he dwele on the remarks of Mr. knatchbull Irish people that, whatever might he the effects of Home
flugessen, who, echoing Lord Kimberley, had exPreseed, Rule in Ireland, it must be dealt with here weal, free. • enjoyed by their predecessors. It was admitted that
Isis entire approval el the Govenanent 1515555. If an Imperial point of view, and, therefore, never could the lords of the manor had, under the statutee
all the alternatives before the Government at the he cencedal. Speakieg for the front (Opposition Bench, the mentioned, appointed gamekeepers of the mama., by
end of the war, Mr. Lowther maintained that the only Marquis said that no mottves of personal ambition, an •
.1 depans owe sahe wanee
Idutatitms reendarly registered, and had shrt over
h all
passible one was to continue Sct Proteetorate sYstem such no considerations of o Party. wuld ever induce them to pur- . the ot e manr as ll tt. and tat
as had exieted hitherto. As lie had before stated, there chase the Irish vote by a sacrifice which enosingee GI.; I f h BISHOP WORDSWORTH AND THE
would be a reform of the law and proceslure, and h was in. l'nion. The only right, i fany. which could would
be established 1 they nod been duriim the present oeutury in the haliit WESLEYANS.
tended to make such reforms in the ASSOAsorA court as Iby :fr. Butt's argument was the right of Ireland to be re. of sporting over the fr 1 eeho d lands an well as the waste,
would make the recurrence of former abuses impossible. ' stored to the position which she occupied before the Union . accompanied by the gamekeeper, and that persons The Lord Bishop of Lincoln presisied, on Friday
The Government would continue anxiously to consider but this claim of Hm oe flute was an entire novelty, and authorised by them had also so shot over all the lands night in lad week, at a meeting held in St. Martin 'o
the best means pol putting an end to this great curse of must be considered on Its lutriude merits. In the first School-room, Lincoln, called for the purpose of hear-
of the manor. That being so, the lord of the manor
slavery. ; place, it would undoubtedly lead to further separation ; ing a lecture on "The Life and Times of John
Mr. Gosehen remarked that the government ought to be • and to the financial objection, the Marquis remarked, considered that under the saving clanaeinthe Ilnclosure
! Wesley." There was a large attendance of both
obliged to Mr Ashley fer raising the discussion, because it , no answer lial been attempted. For instance, if Home Act he was entitled to sport wee the enclosed Miele,
had afforded them an opportunity of explaining, for the I Rure were established, was It likely that the In. and had continued to exercise the right.
,ht. The right was Churchmen and Wesleyans, several ministers of the
first those, that the settlements were to be administered on penal Parliament would centimes the vote of close upon ! exercised accordingly over theland otted to the plain- letter persuasion being present.
the old system of a Protectorate, and also of throwing over- three millions now given annually for 1.1.11 parpeselS The ' tiff, who sued in an action of trerpa.ss. The Court The Bishop, in moving a vote of thanks to the lee-
board the suirgestiou that the difficulty lay in ate amount el 1 separation s,f the Legislatures even for local Portmem• he ; ot Common Pleat had given judgment, in accordance turer at the conclusion of the lecture, delivered an aAl-
money whieh the abolition of slavery would cost. lie agreed i showesl. would necessitate the remodelling of our Asiminis- ! ea., •• e
with Mr. Ashley that the war gave ua an opportunity of Maths Departments, and would lead to danger and con- ! .! „ .
tn previous case in that court of ' G th at] . rea e dress, in the course of which he strongly advocated the
making anew start, and said that by passing this Resolution, s fusion, and to comiat between the Administrations of the • o'. Morley. against the lord of the manor, on the return of the
esleyans to the Church, which they had
La which he could conceive no objection, the House would ; three countries. 1 giround that the lords, under such a clause of reserve- deserted against
nst the wish of John Wesley. His Lord-
trezethen the hands of the Ministry in putting an end to ! Eventually, the debate was aabourned until Thursday, and tion, had no such right over the enclosed lands. Mr. ship, at the outset of ha remarks, said he had long
slavery in the territory for the government of which we were the orders e ere disposed of, and the House adjourned at . Justice Honyman, however, dissented, and held that wished for an opportunity such as that presented by
responsible twenty-five minutes to one o'clock. the lord had such a right, and that the case was in the meeting for mutual explanation between the
The Chancellor of the Exchequer pointed out that Lord , substance as that of Sir James Graham in the House Church and the Wesleyans. The former had certain
earnarven, in the other Blouse, had distinctly stated that the of Lords, and that, therefore, the Court was bound by claims. It was an Apodolic Church, and derived its
Territory was to be administered as a Protectorate, and he COMPULSORY ATTENDANCII AT eiCHOOI es . .
denied that the (lifficulty had ever been represented as one ' • the decision ef the Lords. The lord ot the manor ap- ministy y from Christ. That was a great truth which
th the House of Commons July 1, alr. Dix • ' on, in mosing John Wesley accepted, and it was upon that, therefore,
of money. It was a mere smestion of ineans , and the Govern- pealed, mainly upon the authority of that decision, and
the WrOrni reading ••f the' Elementary Ethwatism (Com-
ment was of opiiiion that slavery might lie abolished hy the the main questhin was whether it amilied. The Court that he did mit want any of his followers to administer
ithor • Attendance) Bill, said it did not ur se to eive
same kind of influence as had boa hi about the extinction I Iss'ehosa)b..ards power to deal with a I PPe I
•o untary schoo s, or to of Ernir, it will be seen, were divided on the question, the Sacramente. Wesley himself had aethority to do
of human sacrifices. give school boaras any more power than they now pos- all of them agreeing that at the time the Acts passed a., but he forbade any of his followere to do that
Sir I'. O'Brien advocated a return to the state of things sessesl to facilitate the 'transfer of .oluetary schools or ter the prevalent view of the law was that lords of manors which he was commissioned to do by the laying on of
which existed before the Government took on itself the re- , the erection of new board selsools. The object of the bill bad this right of shooting over all the lands of the Episcolial hands. In saying this he might be speaking
sponsibility of administer.; the Settlements. • was to provide for compulsory attendance, and it de- in a way which might be unpalatable to aome, but it
manor, and most of them apparently agreeing also
Mr. Forster thought there was a substantial agreement I dared that she hest means of enforcing school at- was the truth ;it was John Wesley's truth ;it was
that the Legislature intended to re'serve it - h ; t e
between the two sides of the Howie that slavery ought not , tendance were to be found in the school boards.
to be recognized. A hy, then, should the Government object ITo show the great necessity for this measure he majority, holding that there wan no such right, thought Christ'e truth. 'Wesley considered his helpers ws lay.
to the naming of this Resolution 1 • stated that only one-half of the children who that the saving clause should be construed as not to men ; the insCript ion on Ms tomb bore that out. Re-
Mr. Disraeli replied that the Governmeut °Nate •Ai to ought to he in the impeded schools did attend preserve it; while the minority held that it ought to ferring to the second branch of the subject, he said that
the reselistiou—first of all because of its large and loose i them, while only one smarter were presentest for inspec- be construed an AS to give effect to the evident inten- ha had
been e good deal M Roman Catholic countries,
language, and next because it Miplied that the Government I boss. and oily one-siath eulticientty instructed to pass it. Lion of the Legislature to preserve the right whether and he had when talking of, religion been often met
did not intend to do what it recommended. If there ever had 1 it was admitted that unless children could pass in staeslartle as a strictly manorial right or not The result is that, by the argument that instead of having, like the
been a time when the Govensment could have entistenty IV. to VI. the ethication they had was of little age. and that
sub t t jec o nfl eppeal to the Supreme Tribunal, the Catholics, one undivided Church, Protestanism was split
etroduced this new p ^ licy it would have been when the I there was only a small prospect of that eaucatioii being re- . , up into a great number of conflicting, discordant sect.).
'-' ' • Mined. But only six per cent of the children whss osieht Baigment is against the right.
late Government Pion over the Dutch territory, and not a , - - Askiug what was the monk of tliese dissentions, he
the end M a war which imPosed on the Goverment lis lee: in those etanslarsls actually dill pass. In Germany a The Lord Chief Justice delivered a long and elabo-
the neeessity of moving in the future wish the greatest eau- ! very different shit, of things existed, aid in several States rate judgment, embodying the view of the majority of said that because of tliem Romanism triumphed, and
Mon. All earths must have a common object in this matter , abroad the education given war for more satisfactory than the Judges, against the lord of the manor, to the effect it was also because of them there were so many per-
--the extinction ot slavery : but the issue raised by the ' in this country. Children (sught to be thmiseliesl to atsend versions to that Church. If it were possible, as the
Resolution was whether we should proceed cautiously Or Ad..: UP to the age of ten years, and then they should Ise that under the e.ct he had no such right No doubt, lecturer said, that they could become united with the
have recourse to violence If the House woulst have cond. brought taster the operation .4 the Factory Acts. he said, the It ' had ' -' •
Ads been in the habit of sporting Wesle yens, they would very much diminish the
dence in it, the Government believed it would be pasisible to s Mr. Burley moved as an amendmeet that the I.ill be read a over all the lands of the manor, freehold as well as strength of the arguments of It
me on one dde, and
put an end to elavery, but If it were turned into a party I second time this day three mouths and complained that waste, but this Wan II right of " free warren " which of intidela on the other. They diould strive for the
question the spee•ly stbohtion they anticipated would be • the inovs.r ef the bill had shifted: from the groins' he Could not be maintained, and the claim was confined to
procradinated, and perhaps altogether delayed. bad takes hat year The object of this bill, if it meant the right of sporting over the waste as incident to the victory a trlitla and for the cause of Christ and His
Mr Whitbread, after the Prime Minister's speech, ad- anything at all, was the enlacement a compulsory educe- ownership of the Boil, and was limited to the wades Church. It was desirable, as the lecturer had said,
vieed the withdrawel (4 the motion, nini Mr. 'Ashley in- tion throughout the country by means of wheel boards : that there should be some terms agreed upon, by
allsstted under the Enclosure Act. The land was al-
Clouded his readiness to accept the [Writ.. The Howie, low- • but he asked the Ilouse what had been the feeling of the which the Wesleyane, on the late side, and the Church
ever, retard to allow the %%Mutton to be withdrawn, and country as to their creation. It was clear that there lotted in freehold, 1 ant must carry with it all the incl. of Englami kin the other, might meet together as
It was nelttived without a division. Mei been no great desire to °stabile!' schwa hoards as dents which ordinarily attached to freehold estates, friend-s. M was sorry when John Wesley arose there
the country. o* oh reger•l to the irregularity of at- unless, by the provisions of the Act, the right of
VALCATIoN OF PROPERTY RILL, ! tensiance, it should not Iv iorgotten that a Meese emu- ownership was derogated irom. The quedion, therefore, was rust a more atfectionate appreciation of Me
The Report of Simply having been agreed to, the House her of persons led a migratory life, not only from
las- character and a better estimate of his lalvaire. It
turned tem the effect cl the saving dause, by
went into Committee on the Valilation of Property Bill triet to district. (sot from else part sof a towe to awe ler. there was any person whom he a-ould wish to adjudi-
which the right reserved was described ae the right of
Several hours were spent on Clauses 3 and 4 anti the come- But agreeing that to a certain extent compulsion wasneces-
.. „ . rate between them it would be John Weeley himself.
quential Clauses relating to the abolition of exemptions, , e
.. . .
~ . .
i sary he thseight it mead Le hest carried out by extensions of ' hunting and hawking, fishing and fowling," and as Glancing at the proceedings of the conference, he .
~ • e •'d bel • I.
tins.-
and the old controversies of last Year as to the nitine of I the k actenes Atte and the W othstiop* ..egaation (t st. or- incident to an (staging a the manor enjoyed by the ceeded to point out the dilemma into which they had
theyerument property, mines, sporthkg rights, saleable kmder- 1 figment had been tee nnwh in the habit ~I pneeing penal lords sif the manor. The effect of flfinWan Anney to pre•
wood. areata timber, lee., were revived, and re -discussed ! legistatime and such legisistion cotuldonly he adopted with serve to the owners 14 the manor such righ as were got. The conference consisted of 100 people whom John
f(t • A
gdi. NM :Mange d importance was made, and the greatest case ester eircum?isces o area . nesessi y, Wesley would have considered as laymen, with the ex
-
at great length of a manorial character—that is, rights enjoyed by the ception of ordained ministere of the Church of Eng-
the Bill was passed through !:seamittee. desired end thud be athiesed in lik
and never when the• y
- lord , ,as lord and not as owner of the soil. No doubt
other way. land, and yet at the late meeting there was a discussion
FACTORIES (HEALTH (sF WOMEN, &C.) BILL. after remarks from several other hon, members, the saving clause was intended to hare the game effect whether a single lay member should be admitted to the
'the Factories Bill woo read a third time and passed. and, Mr Vawbett remarked that, whatever had been his own . M Sir James Graham's case, mid to preserve the conference. He was there to plead for the conference ;
several other billa having been forwarded a stage, the Mouse feelings, hon. members were aware that he had always at. right of sporting over the lanes enclosed under the he was there to tell them that there WAR a breaker
adjourned at a quarter-past one o'clock. cepted existing facts. What he caress for Rime° all things
Att. But he could not think that it was a right incl. ahead on which they would split He didnot wish them
• was that children should go to school, anti it would be a dent to the ownership of the soil which was content- to split, but that they should go back to Wesleyism as
I seeder of secondary importance to him whether they went plated, for at the time the Act passed it was believed John Wesley left it. He agreed with the lecturer that
WI, kXICATING LIQUORS BILL, jto deaoraipationel or undenominationut schools. Ile mile- that the lord of a manor had a right of sporting over i it wasthl be a very greatbenefit to the Church of England
In the Horse or Dams, June 30. Lord Beauthamp moved I ported the pronople ef compulsory attendance, believieg all the lands of the manor, freehold se well as waste.
the second reading of the Intoxicating Liquors Bill, brought 1 that the arguments in tts fa. our were unanswerable. Paella- if the Welleyans now held the position which John
M Ikad .oi:ceded the principle
up from the House of Commons a few days ago, and observed went in passing the Factory Ac . But it had been held in modern times that this notion The Times has publiehed the following letter : • Wesley gave them. It would be a great benefit to the
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that the discussions in len had made exerY elie qualified to of compuls!,m, and it aould be late in th ,si leay o es, oath. had no biundation in law and the clause was drawn s , I
. s . nve drawn a I hurch to have earnest
—Recent debates in Parliament ha , . ,
C devoted preachers allied to
judge of the subject matter of the bill The inain point of from it the college of which he was a fellow had always In accordance with it. t wan believed that the consVerable amount of attention to the subject of I her, and receiving within their chapels even larger
Controversy in connexion with the measiire arose on the until listely, as the holders of land been in the habit of lords of manors had such right, and not of pre- public house and their effect on the working elude, ! congregations than at present and welcoming the
queatis,ll Of the hours of closing publithouses, and in making i 5 lung to games that Stot4 in tlie neighbourincse but serving the ownership of the soil in the wastes, I and many scheme e have been propounded with the I Bishop of Lincoln among them. (Applause, anti a,
the provisions of the bill in respect to that matter he stated now they felt that u . g
nder the existin law unbar: a chaiwe
li'ld ' t ho Iti
that the diecretion given to the magistrates under the Act of were Mane In the system of game cl, reo ese that the saving clause was inserted. But no such I view of meeting what may be considered the conve- ; voice '' Would he come ?") That was the olive breech
" 'thtet
1572 to vary in different places the houn M dosing would ' beet plan would be to a ithdraw their subscriptions, so a right existed independently of the ownership of the 1 nience of the public, without interfering with the ! which beheld out, but he would not let them edreinieter
soil and therefore the clause •.1 1.
Ise withdrawn, while a great imProvenient would be school boards being rendered Loam:eery, a machinery was , e saving was inapplicable, therty of the Subject, On the one hand, or creating I the Sacraments. He would consider their chapels as
effected Isy assimilating the haurs Of closing in beer- brought ato existence which rendered attendauee cum- The case was distinErMshable from Sir James Graham 'S vested interests on the other. ; preachingehousee, and would be happy to accept them
houses to those .in Wait:houses. The - Adultera- pulsory. Ile had cne suggestion to offer to the Goveniment case le the House of Lords, where there wali an express In the course of the debates freqnent reference has as such. By aecepting the terms which lashed sketched
Goa Clauses " 0f1,,,, Act of 1872 would . repealed, The supporters of the niessere did. not wish to doesmaeise reeervathm of the right of sporting over the lands to
and no exemptioa üblichouses in the neighbourhood of upon or to prenelge the question .to the general establish- be end .ed. But here there was only a reservation of , been ma le by among others the Home Secretary and 1 out they. %walla not only be Wesleyans in name, but
theatres would in re Ise allowed In noticing the clause meet of school hoards, but they said that until some better , Sir Wilfrid I'i truef JhWly i d ed dr
sawson to theShaftesburyPark estate.disciples o o n es e n e . isLordship
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relating to the bowl fide tray ell.r, which provides that a system could be found for compulsion they would support h• ht sec ng sas were inherent in the lords, as incident to :It may perhaps not be uninteresting to your readers if • concludes by saying that he would be happy to receive
person shall not be deemed to be a b•ool thie traveller unless it, though if the Government could devise a better machi- .
their I • i h•
01( 6 ip ; and, as this right failed, this reserva- I state the Preciao facts of the naae, any suggestions which had for its object the bringing
the place where he lodged during the Preceding night is at nery they would adopt it tem ef it also failed. The case of " Greathead v. ' about of a consummation eo devoutly to be wished as
~ . One af the leadMit and distinctive featuree IA the .
least three miles from the place where he demands to be sup- Mr. Grantham was In favour of compulsory attendance, Morley, in the time of Lord Chief Justice Tindal, Arcs the union of the two bodies.
i ', Labourers', and General Dwellings Com- ,
plied with liquor, he said that as that provision dealt with a but he could not support the present bill, as he looked upon was an authority for this view, and it had not been
matter which had occasioned much difficulty, it WAS a more I it as an extension of the school board system. Ile hoped the overruled in Sir James Graham's case. Nothi •ng short pany from its commencement has been that of not :
St subject fa consideration in Committee than on the Government would take the subject seriously into eonsidera- allowing any public-houses or beer-housee to be erected
of an exprefiS regervation of the right of sporting Over
Second Reading, and he concluded by stating that the hill, hon, and introduce some measure by which compulsory at- on the conmany's estates.
the lands to be enclotted could suffice to lin - posse on
without pretending to he a sample of sensational legislation, tendanee might be enforced.
merely ainiesi at providing practical amendments for prise- air. Forster said they had had many education debates land allotted as freehold a feudal burden of this odious This policy was not hastily adopted, but was re.
Meal grievances. I this sessions, and the 'louse was perhaps somewhat weary of and onerous character, which, as Baron Bramwell had solved upon, after due and careful consideration, on
Lord Maniere sail they were now well aware how unreal the estbject. He had much to say that had not been aut.- observed in a recent case (Lord Lectinfield's cue), was the ground mainly that publichouses materially reduce
Seas the agitation against the Act of 1070, and he declared that pateil by the member for Hackney. They hash pass. sl an Act inconsistent with the ownership of land, and therefore the value of the surrounding property, and tend to
the Introduction of the present bill was Quite unnecessary which would place every childat school, but many would not was contrary to the policy of Enclosure Act, neutralize all efforts to improve the social and moral
Ile could not understand why it should he proposed to take go, and others who did go received so small an amount of conditions of the working classes. We concluded that
away from the magistrates, who knew the wishes And education that it was almost worthless. The statements of the Baron Bramwell, while coneurrin inthis MI ent
delivered 'f la'llgn' • '
wants of the no/edema sa their districts, the die- mover of the bill in favour of compulsion were almost over- a judgment ore own, which, whsle arriving if good dilestantial cottages were erected, replete with
every necessary convenience, and surrounded by aseo-
cretional power of varying the hours of closine, and he wheiming, hut he had not perhaps given the hopeful side at the same result, differed upon one material point .
eould not imagine the reason for extending the hours of the picture. Ile (Mr. Forster) was asking fur the de- from that of the majority—naniely, that it did not ad- ma ti•on s s if
.an elevating character, working men would
during which public-heuses might he kept open, and claration by law that it was the duty of every parent to see mit, as they did, that it was the intention of the Act gladly avail theniselves of the opportunity of escaping
at the same time, doing away with some of the effec- that Isis child was educated. They had declared that It was fhou
from the temptations o the uPbr lc se.
to preserve such a right He thought, on the contrary
tive penaltlee iu the Act of 'see, which bay operated the duty of the Stide to see that tile children IA parente who
that it had for e stu e tern et no such intention h ' ' The result has far exceeded our most sanguine antic -
, , t,l th
most beneficially He admitted that there were some useful cossld not pay for it should receive an education. In his
provisiona in the Present iffil, though bethought the pub- expectation that bans would adopt the compulsory bye- used were obsolete and not applicable to amodern rig ht I pations, the demand kr houses being greater than the
limns would Ise delnsthd if they fancied they 116 gaM any laws . had hot been disappointed anti he thought lion of sporting—" hunting and hawking, fishing and suliP Y. ...;
1 'Work in e men have sought to obtain the com-
advantage from the Clause relating to the power of COTO members here who had been connected wins the administra- fowling." These were, he sai I a full kno Ide of this t• t.
tl, old-fashioned words, pany's houses with we g res nc ion,
Stables to enter their premises, and he should very much tion of school-hoards would say that they had worked well. which would include fox-hunting, &c., but were not and we have ample reason for believing that the
regret if any of the safeguards for public order and public Could they rest here? the thought not. They had arri- applicable to modern sport. If the saving clause absence of publichouses has operated as an induee-
decency provided by the Act of 1872 were removed froui the eed at the point that they required the moral force of - -
Statute Book. the declaration of e: nforcement of the law by the legisla- were construed to preserve such a right as was con- ment and a recommendation
.
The Duke et Richmond threight Lord Aberdath was en- nue. The bill was for the compulsory 'format.. of fd e ten or, the tenants would d be excluded. It would Some hundreds of cottages have been built and are
titled to credit for the stiCeess which, upon the whole, had Bansu.l boards, and he was in doubt whether that would be be in vain to urge that all the tenant-farmers of Eng, now occupied. The sliceds hitherto achieved has been,
attended the operation of the Act of pipe, but, believing that the best way to attain the end hi view. This was not a bill lend were snedeet to such a tight in their landlords. ,in fact, so great that the directors of the company have
there were some defects In that measure, the Government ho the establishment of board schools, but for the establish- So they were ; and they were also subject to payment ! just purchased another large estate in Harrow-road,
had, with the view of remedying them, prepared the present nit-sit of school boards compulsorily to °any out the Act, of rent. But this Was a etas of freehold lands, which I near the Westbourne Park Station, which will accom-
bill. it was. for instance, thought to be hard that in Ile sajected to this propositionmachinery for two d
th reasons—first, that
Could not be subjecto suc a i ' t h In rde except by I modate, when completea, about 14,000 inhabitants,
fi,
respect to the offence a adulteration the Act should deal it ‘voold he a cumbrous , anat there would
whereaa here there were no words ap- ! and where the same policy will be pursued.
with one particular class of persons by special legislation, in. have to Ise an election to carry it cut a hich would be sub- express words
' ••1i I
stead of leaving them subject to the general law of the jectlng the country to a great deal of expense and trouble, phcable to manorial rights, and all . . territorial rights i While Parlitiment is dis ' . these •I
einem:, me questions,
land. With regard to the complaint that the discretion end they had almost as many elections now as they wanted were extinguished. No other territorial right having . venture to submit that we have practically solved the
of the magistrates in regard to the hours of closing was They were quite prepared to submit to an election when been reserved, why ehould it be supposed that this was , problem.—l am, Sir, your obedient servant,
taken away, he observed that the Government could not necessary, but to simply carry out a compulsory law it reserved 1 His 'brother Honyman had thought ' WILLIAM SWINDLEHURST,
shut their eyes to the official thports laid before them, which would be hardly worth the trouble, annually or triennially. the case condudesi by the authority of Sir Jamea , Secretary of Artisans', labourers'. and General
theammended that the hours of closing should be made uni- But his chief objection was that he slid not think that 1
' age • the lieu of Lords, but he himself I Dwellings Company Limited_
form. As to the clause in the Act uf 1872 relating to the compulaory school boards were hop any means the best 1 Graham a g in se
ed the ' h had ' . '
power of constablea to enter a publican's premises, the means, of carrying out compulsion. If the Government did not think so, and he adhered to r view ~ e ! a, Great College etreet, M estminster. dima to
object seemed to he to invite the maim to go into all parts came to the cowhides, that uompulthry attendance must be s expressed in Lord Leconfield's case, Which had, indeed.
of the house, whereas the present bill merely gave a constable enforced in districts without school boars's, it could either I
, been overruled in Sir J. Graham's case, but had not
p.uwer to do so : and, in conclusion, the Duke of Richmond - Ise slone by the election officials or officers appointed by the • been answered. ,
dated that the purpose of the present bill wag not to sup. Gevernment Should the bill go to a division he would liaron Cleasby then delivered an elaborate judgment,
plant, but to supplement the legislation of tlie late Goverw • vete for it on the prineiple of compulsory atte e- ndance, r • .
resat. h• h B PII k • d •
' serving to himself the power to discuss the niode in ,inw lc aron so roc foneurr , .
e in accordance with
ftl !
Lued Kimberley said that having been concerned in the which that was to be earned out when it came practically - the opinion of Mr. Justice Honyman, in favour o the
ix-stratus:Mon of the Act of 1,72, he felt much satiefaction at . Isefore them. 1 lerd of the manor, and to the effect that the lord lossthe mennet In which it had worked, and at the accept- Lord Sandon concurred entirely in the remarks of NM 1 the right contended for. It was admitted, he said, that
ance it had met with from the great hulk of the pipet. Forster, mid cemPlimented Mr. Divan on the aide end 'at the time the Act passed it a-as believed that the
tion of the country. With regard to the houre of keeping , coseiliatery charaetsr of the speech in which he had intro- • lord had such a debt, and that, in point of fact, be
pablichouses epee, the experience of two years had mdea the isill. Ile argued, however, that the main feature !
shows. that the elastic system, censiating in the of the bill Wan the creation of hiltsc oards all over the exereieed it and the °nth mode in whiA
, had always . , e _ _
diseretion left to the magistrates, had worked altogether , full effect could be given to the saving clause was by '
thuistry. an pones
d it I out that there were certainly
very well. He thought the alteration with respect to
, •. ii toss oes) or 12,000,000 of the population who did not want , holding that the lord had the same right as he bad ,
the weer of a eonstahle to search a publican's Wen.'" ! ,eheoi I.uards. Experieme showed that the country ' actually enjoyed before. In his view the question
tvi. reduced to a very rtiall matter, because, as he . slid not bear with very great delight the cost of 1
i turned upon what was the real position of lorde of
anderstrad the Mike ot R,ehmovsra emplanation, the yoe- 1 seism' hoards, and he instanced the Cabe of Liverpool, whieh , manors under the old law;, and in his view they were
bent bill would leave the law thisstantielly as it dotal at ' ettertaln“l an objection to filling up a vacancy on the seised , •
present, and therefore . COlild lest congratulete the •
, board by ali welection, became such a bye election cost no • quite a differe t iosittin from mere owners of
in qu n i .
Publicans on having attained any great hone In dealing • less than t lyiale. There was also an increasing disincline- •
the land, and they were certainly regarded In • n
ith the subject it would Le hie dedre not to offer opposi- s
. tion . the part a the general pulaie to the periodied strug- 1 a different posititin from other persons as to .
tioe to the Goveminent, lett to hero° the provieions of 1 glee which school board contests involved. He strongly ad- the right of sporting. They were so regarded
the mature , vised he !mem not to force on the eousitrY universal school by the Legislature, for the statute of Anne fed'
Thu hill was then read a second time, awl the other • la-Janis, but to follow the advice which had hens given lowed the Act of Charles 11., and there was in our own
busi',l having been gone through, their lordships ad- iby Mr, Forster. As to the subject of .compulsory attendance, time the Act of William IV., all recognising in lords
that wae under the attentive consideration of the Govern-
, ourned. of manors wane peculiar rights and privileges as to
ment, but he declined to give any p , ledge as to wild course
Is the Homes or Coxxoss. Tues(lay had been set apart a I
h I they would adopt, for any sensible lioveniment especially sporting over all the lands of the manor. The allot-
wsek ago for the Home Rule Debate, and the Orders of the
( when they had been so short a thise in office, would pause ntent of land to the lord was in satisfaction of his
day having been postponed for the purpose. I before iiiefrommitted themselves to any delinite line in so 1 rights over the waste, and it was subject to this reser-
Mr Butt PAO to miss that the Home resolve itself into ! impotha a Wiled, . Nation es the condition of enclosure. It was said that
Committee of the whole Ilona to consider the Parliamen- e interposed before it division was takea lit referred to a right of " free warren," bet such a right
Pia fair
tary relations between Great P.ritain aid Ireland, with the
Mr'
' bin supposed that thus who opposed the I
' WaS not manorial and was quite distinct from the
hithraion of moving in committee two Besoluthe. de- to prevent its e t; t
b'll were opposed to the prin. s - , . ,
.o f
daring that it is expedient and just to restore to Ireland second reading. of he 11 ; 1 manorial rights. The mew taken by the majority o
attendance. A t the sanie tme i
the right of managing all exclusively Irish affairs in en eiple of corm:Mason'
to void a division alter the speech of the Court had nothing of the saving clause, and gave
Irish Parliament, but that provision should be made at was impossible a
f all that the Government hail done had it no operation at all. But surely it was intended to
the same time for nudist:ening the ietegrity of the Em- Lard san4°"' r t 's:' ersead„theeon, and consideration too often have some operation, and it was for the court to en-
pire by thservii. to the Imperial Parliament full contrfil been to
it,,,r Jeosge
p.tpA eine ni, 'pie country was not deavour to give it, and not th make it in by
over Imperiel effete. Ile began Isy a promise, which was
etege
1 t have so inanortant a matter ao lea iselelinitely , ee..,,,,,,,,_ . ..
to it rights which were said not to exist ? There
loudly cheered, that Ike would explain fully and precisely the PreParel e,, , -
ears, (I that it was impossible to carry no, all rimg
details of his scheme, and u a first step he read the Postlumed- "e 4-- e ' 1 f public opinion, but he pro- .
Was not og os ious or onreasiona ein a right of sport-
hi l• bl • •
o without the an o
Resolutions passel at the Detain Conferewee, to which 19 nonlisii. n rters of the bill ing over other men's lanos lespeciallf when it 111118 a ion•
motion that the euppo
members elected at the late General Election Ilea assented, tested against the
bosh beards in 13,000 unwilling ditien tif their acquisition) ;and, onthe contrary, it was
These Resolutions, he asserted, proposed no ch.ge in desired to establish scquite usual for the ownership of the soil to be inone party
the Imperial Moliament, except that the manage- parishes.
BARI and a brief reply from and the right of sporting to be in another. It was a
went of Irish Oen? would be taken from it—which alter a few words from Mr. .