The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1872-05-11 00:00:00

IMPERiAL PARLIAMENT.- Overend and Gurney upon three prim:MlN. TheThel *IS
the question whether there was likely to be a conviction ;
1 4, el r 11 ela second what was the moral turpitude of the offence,
In the 1105 a' lieielit, Mal e, the Neiwpori and Pillg- d ~eiltt.,Ns third,. whether it was likely if the Government
w eeny n'ater lair was read a second time, cud the Tunbridge ~pe reteeeilsei private potions would come forward to
eed t t
lima bill, the Itrietol Local Board Bill, end the Host ad r They argued that Messrs. Overend and Gurney
not been guilty. of an) meat degr •e of moral turpitude,
Chomestershire Railway Bill sine read a third Owe and and that suth offences were unhappily' very common iu the
passed. commercial world, the difference beipg that in this par-
lor.' Granville appealed to Earl Russell to postpone the Ocular ease great and wide sinew! hlen was caused. They
motion which he had placed ',con the paper with rekmuce argued. that it woos
tttareelyn. likely, under the dream-
t° the indirect liainis. 110 promised that before Parliament stances tlett rk convicio would be obtained, and that It
aeljoereed he would mak., a statemeut to the House, or the!, elid not prosecute there were plenty of persons
would produce papers, with sufficient means to institute a private prosecution,
Earl Russell said that it was most necessary that their and they were so far poitilled that a prosecution did
lordships should have plenty of time to conalder the matter, take place. lie proposed to answer theignat part of
and he could sit consent to postpone his Motion, melee* the the question with regard to the proseeutioe of the
robin lord would glee some amereenee that their lordship., claimant of the Tichborpe estates 1.1 iseferenee to them
Mouse word,' adjourn Inter it need earlier so that the three priliciples. This cam was mit:rely distinguished
emotion might 100 din:tuned before the meetleig or the from that of Om Indeed and Gentry awl from most
arbitrators. feeble preseentiOne, in that this pnisectithon wan mit
Earl Granville Mid he should have no objection to mako ih'lltellsd or ougeested originally by the Goverment,
any arrangements for a full dimension to take place it his bet meter the pewees given to him by Act ~I I aril.
tatement aas considered uualtisfactory. ment by the Lori Chief Justice of the Common Pleas,
case well
'lt,, Earl of fleshy hoped the papers would be presented t • *bo tried tho . i
0 poi,. to prosecute, who bound over the hope:torand therefore t wss a very
an Monday night
diultse p
The Marquis of Salisbury expressed nic thing for the Gavernment
a similar hope that give effect to a decision so soleutulto rey
madf u üblic funds to e
by legal authority.
the papers would be pretended on alonday next. It appeared. to him that, in the Scat place, without Pre-
Earl Grenville promtscit that every opportunity should be judging the cam, there was a fair reason to expect a con-
given for discomion, and, in answer to the noble lord, said tiction, and for this reason that the claimant iu this cam
there was nothleg tel a hat he said last year or this oaths was a a linen himself, and that the jury stopped the
subject that he wished to retract from, case, mentioning as one ground for it that they did
Earl Russell, on that assurance, consented to poldpone his not believe a particular fact t 3 which he had sworn
motion for another week. to. With regard to the question of meral guilt, lithe
l'emi the nomination of Peers to seirty upon the Select claimant was guilty of the charge made against him, it was
Committee on the Appellate juriniletlnn of the House, there difficult to imagine a higher degree of moral turpitude. If
he w ge flt he g 1 7 nut imrely of misrepresent.
was a smart discussion. It mei poieited out by the Lord tion seer% a.' Y'
hw" I ul
ti
t Mesers.Overend and Gurney,
Chancellor and Lord Granville that out of the 25 Peers
selected by Lord tanner 14 might be regarded as unfriendly to but of‘iie wilfrl an'ilucter'reisaa alempt to deprive a helpless
ant of Ills inheritance, alai of seeknig to take away by
the Lord Chancellor's proposal, aud only 11 in its favour.
Lord ilatherley further adverted to the caricature of the Nl.'swearing the honour and character of a twat
bill drawn by Lord Cairns, to the petty complexion of lf he were guilty, he was guilty
his speech, and the Wide of the Opposition Mnches of heg prmlmed a great aliment of disturliame
end Inconvemence to the public service. Therdore,
during that debate. The-se imputathens were ,igorouely
sentol b re.
y the front OprAsition bench. Lnrd Derby tymnide he th , eht tl • uld be no doubt that as to the
the Lord Chancellor 'ehat the matter referred to the Selecdt turpitu‘ ,u 1,7 of thellefeeicce charged the Government were per-
fectly justified tn condom forward to prosecute. If they eiM
Committee was not dratted to the Lord Chancellor se Bill, but not prosecute, it was Lenity to be expected that the family
comprised the yell ale subject of the A ppellatejurisdiction. The who had already suffered so severely in costs should come
DuMotive ke of iliehm,ond protested against the imputathen of party forward tor the sake of public justice and endeavour to bring
s. Ille`.ely because the Opposition Peers had come,
down to tir,or
SalbhutY sant thusw
t a
Lroldups bed they regardoed as a hadtheir jurie bill. Lora this man to punishment. Ile eretlrely concurred with the
Attorney General in the propriety of the prosecution being
er ere nt to peek s conducted by the Government.
bee AU S r a certain result was desired .
tly wwhereupon
G Lord Gran-
ville 'Astarte.' that thin was exach at the overement Mr. Hermon guve nonce that he should ask the right hon.
0 o`aplained ef. Lord Cairns asked whether Lord Penzance gentleman the names of the firma to which he refneerrrael.d
alien he said that commercial dishonesty x.ts vcveryge
read Lord Houghton were not to be re-honed among the
Ministerial Peerson the Committee, and avowed his b-lief that The Chancellor of the Exchequer soil that lie hal simply
there were not 20 Peers on the Ministerial benches who stated the purport of the defence made by the Govcremeut
approved the bill. L rel Ripon rejohred that it was not in DE9, and he declined to be drawn into any controversy as
Pecessary for the Meads of the Government to defend the to the accuracy of the statements.
bill, as the Lord Chancellor at an early stage expressed his Mr. Wren-Hoskyns called attention to the position of the
willingness to refer it to a Conunittee up,tairs. Lord chelms- Ordnance Survey, and moved • Resolution in favour of
ford disclawed going into the committee with any party expediating its progress. Mr. Anton explained that the
neotives. Ultimately the Select Committee was hominated, work was of. kind which could not suddenly be hurried on,
with the addition of Lord Ossunton'a name, and their lord- seeing that the Stall employed on it required training ; and
ships adjourneiL the surn devoted to it—aloo,ooo a year—could not be in-
In the Rouse of Commons amongst the petitions pre- creased without increasing the taxation of the country or
hented was an enormous document (bro ught up by Mr. gbory'
t'
stinting some other seraice. Mr. ler' Mr. Wk . Fowr,
Hathbone), signed by 77,420 inhabitant. of Liverpool, indult- and Mr. beresford Hope made come o serve tons, and the
leg 22,000 mechanics, and a large number of medical men motion was then withdrawn.
and ministers of religion, to favour of the Permissive BUL Sir C. O'Loghlen louvred his vote of censure on the appoint-
Mr. R. Wyndam stated that ou the 21st inst. he would ment of Colonel White bit'. for Tipperary, to the IA ird
call attention to the release of the Whitehaven rioters be- Lautemmey of the touilty of Clare : but on a diviaiou the
fore the term of their sentence of imprisonment had ex- Resolution was negatived by 257 to 41.
*ed, and would move a resolution. The other business was disposed of, and the House ad-
Sir C. O'Lerghlen asked the Attorney-General if, according ;owned at half-pant 2 o'clock.
to the existing law, any religious qualification is neoeasary
for the office of Lord Chaiicellor of Eoghte,el or Lord-Lieutenant
of Ireland ; and, especially, whether a Roman Catholic or a
Jew, or either of them, is eligible to hold either or berth of
the said offices,
The Attorney-General, in a long !speech, lasting ova, twen'y
mime es, recounted the various statutes which had been
passed on this subject, and gave it as his opidou t-at
all reatrictions flu the nature of declarations or oaths
imp:used by the Aots of Charles IL, George 1., red
(Semen It,, hal been repealed, but upon this point
an hod re d leaned Mend of his did not agree with
hlm. As regarded the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland also,
he was of opinion that the religious disabilities attach-
ing to Roman Catholics were repealed, ana as fer as Jews
Were mincerned, if they could take the oaths sub-tituted ley
the repealing Acte passed in the present reign, they might
hold any office in England or Ireland.
Sir G. Jenkinson asked the First Lord of the Treasury
whether the correspondeece issued to members on Friday,
the 3rd inst. on the subject of the guarantee of the loan of
two millions and a half to Canada, as compensation for the
Fenian raids Is complete, or whether any additional letter
or letters are yet wanting ; and, if so, when it is expected
that they sill be printed and delivered to members; and
when the subject would be brought wider the notice of Par-
liament.
Mr. Bruce, replyirg to Mr. Newdegate, said he had re-
ceived a memorial welled by the magistrates and inhabitants
of Whitehaven, prajing for a remission of the seetence of
the five men eeutenced by the Lord Chief Baron for having
Meet coucerned in the riot at Whitehaven. That memorial
was sent to the beret Chief Baron, who said that ci insideriug
the men had served ten out of the twelve neontlis of
then sentence, and the ir being no evidence that they were
personally directly implicated in the infliction of (Inc ni-
luries which were the cense of Mr. Murphy's death, and no
auteseqnent disorder having ariseu, he redeumeniled that the
remainder of the sentdia, should be remitted. He k Mr.
Bruce) therefore eaw no reasou to depart . from
.the orOinury
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In the House of Commons, May a, Mr. Grieve presented a
petition signed by 9,110 inhabitants of Greenock, in favour
of the Permissive Prohibitory Liquor Bill, Mr. W..lolusstone,
a petition from 18,000 inhabitants of Belfast. including go
pidAleans : Mr. C. Reed, a petition from 338 ministers of
religion in London Colonel Berestord, petitions from 5,000
inhabitants of Southwark ; Mr. Harvey Lewis, 14 petit.
from Paddington, Mar)rleoone, and St. Pancras, having 120,000
signaim.cs ; Mr. C. roister, a petition with 12,000 signatures
Mr. Gi ahem, a petition from 22,000 inhaidtalits et GialagoW,
all to the same eft:ct ; anti there being also mavens:is small
petitions presented by other hon. members Mr. P.lglish
presented a petition signed by 36,450 male inhabitants and
ratepa)ers above 16 years of ago of Glasgow against the bill,
and Mr M'Laren ptesented a petition signed by 5,02, male
inlmbitants of Edinburgh also against the bill.

Sir W. Lawson, in moving the second reading of the Per-
missive Prohibiter, Bah said that not only in England, but
also in the United States and the colonies, and, indeed, every-
where where there was ally amount of intelligence. the ques-
tion was being considered bow far the law should toe made
available for checking the ravages of drunkenness. The in-
terest with which the question was regarded by the country
was manifested by the large number of petitions which had
been presented in favour of the bill, by the elections
which Imo taken place, and by the large number of measures
before the House to deal with the liquar Pale. All these
bills were intended by their promote's to diminish the facili-
ties for obtaining intoxicating thinks; but there was another
strong party of licensed victuallers, publicans, and brew, ra,
who wished nothing to be done in that direction, and he
warned every hon. member who voted for his bill that
he would be marked by thet party for political destiu.
thm. This bill had been frequently boom the House.
It did not propose to interhre with the pos Cr of the
,gistrates to decide as to the character el an ap-
plicant or the capmity of his premises, but it simply
enacted that in any district where a majority of the iehabi-
tams were oppomd to the aranting LI licenses in their dis-
tri,A that magistrates should not grant soy licenses. It
mieht lie objected that it was nermisaive, but the g.litine if
licenses now was permissive, and under the provision of an
Act now in force the Home Secretary had a veto on the de-
cision of the magistrates. He venture I to think that the
people were for better judges of what they required than
the right how gentleman could be. Ile asked that public-
Rousts should not be forced upon pi opie who did not
want them, and Ile asserted that wherever the ex-
periment bad been tried it hail been a great success.
Replying to the o'lections against the measure he main-
tained that hid bill was based upon the force of public
opinion, that even in places where it was not put in force
the fear of its adoption would produce a great improvement,
in the present state of things; that the existing law woo in •
adequate, and that the bill was desired by the poorest and
humblest of the people, who wished to have temptation
removed out of their way. He appealed for support to the
bill to both sides of the House, and to all who desired to Ire-
torso the tuoiality, happiness, and virtue of the country.
Mr. Carter seconded the resolution.

practice of actieg upon the opien on of Me judge who [ilea
themse. In answer to Mr. Ilyudbant, he said that it woo
not usual to print memorials with reference to such restlons.
The Martinis of ilartingtor. in answer to Colonel Taylor,
%aid that' the numerous instructions and amendments placed '
upon the paper in regard to the Irish Church Act Amend-
ment Bill would s surely alter its scope and character.
if, therefore, these amendin: its and instructions were
withdrawn, he would undertake to introduce a second
bill embodying the lustre ctions awl amendments of
which he had given notice, and such other. as the Govern-
ment could accept.
Sir C. O'Loghlen, in reply to Mr. Newdegate, said he did
not now intend to proceed with the Religious Disabilities
Abolition Bill.
Mr. Newdecate gave notice Mat he should oppose the with-
drawal of tine measure.
The main business of the evening was the Scotch Educa-
tion bill, which steed for Committee, and on the motion that
the Speaker leave the chair,
3lr. Gordon moved a resolution declaring that, having re-
gal,' to past educational legislation anti the p,actiee in
Scotland, which provided tor instruction in the Holy
Scriptures, such law and practice shouts be continued by
provisions In this bill.
The Lord-Aelvecate in objecting to the resolution, declined
to discuss its subject matter until the House got into
Committee, lie denied, however, that religious teaching
had ever been secured by any law, although he admitted that
practice ha-1 always sanctioned it, and the bill would leave
both law and practice entirely untouched.
Lord IL Scott suppornil the resolution, and Mr. SCLaren
also urged the necessity of some legal provision in reference
to religious education, lest every parish in Scotland should
become a battlefield.
Sir J. Pskington complained of the refusal of the Govern-
ment to argue the point, and warned thesis agaiest flying its
Site face of the unanimous feel lig of the ye 4 min of England
and Scotland in favour of religious instruction.
The discussion was continued by several other hon. mem-
bers, and Mr. Forster, who was received with sarcastic
cheers, said that if the Liberals had been silent it was
because they thought the point mull be batter discussed in
Committee, and they would not he parties to a waste of time.
Ile expressed his surprise at hearing the bill called sceinar
bill, for It was framed on exactly the same principles as the
English TAIL It did not interfere with the practice of re-
ligion. teaching, and indeed he would he no party to the dis-
couragement of religions teaching, but it did not interfere to
compel it by law, which would do more harm than good.
Mr. Hardy protested against the attempt to stifle elheus-
Rion on this Important question of religious education, and
maintained that Slr. Gordon had a rigid to demand a de-
bate. lie supported the resolution, because without it the
bill would be taken to give a Parliamentary sanction to
secular education.
Sir It. Anstrutherjustifled the silence observed by himself
and his friends by their determination not to be parties to
what might retard the progress or prevent the passing of the
bill.

Mr. Wheelhouse moved that the bill be read a second
time that day six months. It was an impracticable measnre ;
it gave ratepayers a v. ice in deciding whether It should Sc
brought into operation, and it woold allow a packed meet-
ing if parti tans in a small room to set the proceedings on
foot, the notices to be given being so arranged as to give the
general public Indies no power at all. The petitii ma in favour
of the bill were nf no value at all, having r ten got up by well.
paid secretaries of the Alliance. Before voting for the bill
and *hutting up the poor manat club—the public-house—hon.
nietulters should be consistent anti shut up their own clubs
and cci!ars. This bill et as utdair anti unjust, being a piece
of elan legnlation nattiest the handler classes, and it would
be as lamentable a failure as had been the Maine laws in
America, for wherever public-homes were suppressed, illicit
drinking shops would increase.
Mr. Goldsmiel seconded the amendment.
: After remarks from several other hon. members,
Mr. Bruce charauterised the principle of the bill as ex-
travagant anti unjust. It proposed not only to suppress
public-homes, but to stop the sale of liquor by any in oeer,
shopkeeper, wine-merchant, or other person. There was ex-
treme difficulty in dealing with the statistics of drunkenness,
and he thoaght no faith c.-add be put in theta ; and his
ointlioll was that there hail born a considerable diminution
or thunkenness. Moe 't might be done still further
to dludalah it by regulation, which had already had good
effect in diminishing crime. In America drunkenness had
been steadily increasiug, Is spite of prohibitory laws, and
there hail been systematic defiance and contempt of the law.
Parliament onaht to take stronger means to suppress the
badly-condocted houses, and should do their best to regulate
the sale of Intoxicating liquors, and he entreated the House
to act honestly in this ntatter, for those only could vote
honestly for the bill who were ready to support to its end the
the principle which it embodied.
The diseassion wee continued, until Sir F. Ileygate moved
the adjournment of the debate, when the Mouse divided—
For the adjournment, 12; azainst, 260; majority against,
254. The motion was therefore rejecte,!, but it being then
past a quarter to nix, the bill stood over to a future day as a
lapsed order.
The other orders were disposed of, and the House ad-
journed.

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A:ter tome observations from Mr. Newdegate and Lord J.
Manner., the resolution was carrb-d against the Government
by a majority of seven-216 to 29. the announcement of
the numbers was received by the Opposition with tremendous
cheering. The Committee on the bill was fined fur next
Monday.
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The next business was the Irish Church Act Amendment
Lill. The next stage was Committee. and notice had been
given of no less than eight Instructions besides several peers
of amendments to be moved in Committee. On the 31arqui5
of Hartingthn, howevek undertaking to bring Its this Session
a general measure for amending the Irish Church Act, which
would embrace all the various points raised, the bill, alter
some discussion, was allowed to pass through Committee.
The other,orders were disposed of, and the House ad-
journed at a quarter to 2 o'clock.

In the House of TAMS, May 7, the Earl of Camaerdown
laid on the table of the House a copy of all the orders which
had been issued by the Admiralty since 180, restricting the
Sian of coal in her Majesty's stripe.
kfr. Jelin 11-Dallurn, the claimant to the Breadalbane peer-
age, was called to the bar, and ordered to file a new petition
in this case on or before that day month.
The amendments to the Priem Ministers Bill were re-
ported. A conversation folloved between the Duke of
flevelaed and the Duke et Richmond, respecting some ver-
bal amendmenta to the bill, and these were agreed to.
Another amendment, which RAS proposed by the Duke of
Richmond to make clear the meaning of the bill, was at
first resisted, but eventually agreed to.
Lord Huffman, In moving the second reading of the Party
Procession/ (Ireland) Act Repeal Bill, said the Irish Execu-
tive had come to the conclusion that the powers which they
posiemed under the common law were sufficient to prevent a
breach .)f the peace. It would be theilitty of the Irish Go-
vernment to take due precautions to prevent the collisions
and bloodshed which had too frequently resulted from party
processions. No doubt the Act was regarded with disfavour
lay a cenaiderable pot tion of the population. He trusted
that the people of Ireland, in re-entering upon the privileges
which Parliament was willing to restore to them, would show
a generous forbearance for the susceptibilities of their neigh-
bours.

Lord Calms congratulated the Government upon having
taken a wise course, .mul one which would promoti peace mil
quietness in Ireland. A eonchuiive reason for repealing the
Act was that it was impossible for any Gov, mment to carry it
out without incunicg suspicions of partiality.
After a brief discussion, the bill was read a second time.
The Pacific islanders Protection LIII pass"' through COM.
thittee.

sms.s‘s.
The Royal Parks and Gardens Bill Woo read a third time
and passed, sod their lordships &learned.
In the House of Commons, on the motion of 'Jr. Cross the
Keeleslastical Courts Registration till was r.m4l a first
time ant was ordered to stand for second reading on the
list July.
Capt. Arehelall presented a petition from Roman Catholics
of Kilkenny, protesting aira,ust the prouedings of the Papal
Legate in Ireland in endeavoining to introduce into that
country certain laws ',weed in Rome, anti ea remove Roman
Catholic oriests not of the jeriedietien of tire marts of law.
The petition was read by the Clerk at the table.
Mr. Raikes gave notice that on the 4th of June he would
cell attention to tire state of public business in the Meuse,
and would Olson a resolution.
Mr Rylanda .eve notice that on the 4th of Juno he would
IH"ve a resonition in favour of placing treaties upon the
table of the House before their ratification.
Mr. Butt stated that on tic Mb of June he a...mid move for
leave to bring in a hill to amend and extend the Landlord
and Tenant Act, 1970.
Mr. Fawcett Intimated that on an early day he weuld Call
attention to the rewent Treasnry minute relating to the re-
muneration received by the law officers of the Crown, and
would move a resolution to the r ifeet that that minute
should not Colltillll, In force beyond tile time during which
the present law officers held their odices.
Mr. Gladstone sail that hole members would isoeloubt,.be
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• aware of the announcement made by the nettle lost, the
• Yoreign Secretary, in the House of Lords the previous tiny;
• and, so there had been no distinct reference to the House of
• ot commons, hon. members might Irish to kno at that the setae
Intention on the part..ftne ttavernmentheldgoodsithreepect
•• toth' IC kt te, 11 t •t, 0115 e °nun • e very tar ell MOMPII...,ey
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could pot Parliament ;on of a sl :item, ;it n
vice to the negotiatb•ne 0 . : • Mood ~•. hey
: would think It their duty t lay the pane.° mum the table,
. or to meke a statement which would allow the Hon.° to
judge bow far they had been acting M accordence with the
wishes of the Mouse and the intereste of the country.
Mr. Onslow asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether
he would ',tate to the borne the reason why the Ourennuent
Intent to use the public morey for the propose of pron. ut
lug the claimant to the Tishburne estates. And why, in the
Oaaa of Overend and Gneney they refused to prosJcute on the
ground of its ta leg a private matter?
The rhancellor of the Exchequer, In gnawer to the last
part .•,1 the quer Inn, said that the Virst Lord of the Treasury
and the Attorney-General in 1e69 defender the conduct of
the Uovernment with regard to the prosecution of Meesrs,