The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-06-14 00:00:00

THE TICHBORNE TRIAL.

The hearing of the came we rammed on Monday
morning.

The Lord Chief Justice, on taking his seat, asked If the
AttornerGeneral was prtsentr—Mr. Llawklus : No.

lho Lord Chief-Justice : Well, I call your attention, as his
representative, to a p tragraph which lies appeared in more
thin oue of the public print., and which le the copy
reputed letter from Mr. Guildford ouslow, h 1 P. I may pro
sure, that it was a private letter, written by Mr. Onslow to
another person, End not intended for publication. It Is,
however, the grossest contempt of court that has yet been
committed, hut I don't think that Mr. Guildford Onslow can
be made responsible for It. It appears to have been a private
letter, which the recipient has had the bad taste to band
over to the press for publication. As gross and scandalous
a contempt of court has been committed by the publ,catiun
of auch a document as anything that has yet been done.
Mr. Justice Lush: I observed that the paragraph is in some
of the London papers.
The Lord Chief Justice t The effect of It is to impute per-
jury to all the witneswie who have yet been called for the
prosecution.

Mr. Hawking to the Lord Chief Justice I will take care
that the matter shall receive Immediate attention, my lord.
Mr. Walter Sheehan, of the War Office, produced some
original papers connected with that department, comprising
an application, dated December 2, 1847, from Sir Edward
Doughty, to have Roger llchborne's name put on the list of
commissions, and the reply of Lord Fitzroy Somerset • two
letters from Roger Charles Tichborne to Lord Fitzroy
Somerset, dated June 19 and June 21, 1849 (respecting which
it may be observed that in one case respectfully was spelt
respeefully," and in another, commission wee spelt
"comislon"): the original return of the result of the
examination at Sandhurst, of the date of July 2 and
Roger 11chborne's application in 1136.3 to retire from the
service with the reply.
In reply to Dr. Kenealy,
The witness stated that the recorded height of Roger Tich-
borne wee Mt. 841 u , the height being taken in the stockings.
Mr. Gerald Fitzgerald, examined by Mr. Series/et
Parry, said I reside at the Firs, 1110181 d, Berkehire.
was samainted with Sir Edward and Lady Doughty when
they resided at Tlchborne. I visited them twice i here, and
also at Upton. I remember once meethig Roger Charles
Ttehborne, at Tichborne, in the summer of 11849. I stayed
elght or fen days. Roger was then staying there. He was
there when I arrived, I saw him every day, and dined, and
walked about with him. A night or two after my arrival
ho proposed to me to smoke • cigar with him before going
to bed. We adjourned for that purpose to a small sitting.
r, ore which he occupied. I sat down, and he went away to
take off hie coat and waistcoat, and he returned in a loose
dressing gown, and as he came back to hie seat he was
settling the sleeve of hie dressing-gown, when he showed me
his arm and certain tattoo Mark" upon it. He told me they
were tattoo marks. I bad seen tattoo malice before and
since then. All loan recollect of the after conversation was
that he mentioned a sailor in connection with the marks.
but I do not remember whether be said who the sailor
was, or how or when it was done. I do not remember on
which arm It was, I have not seen the defendant until
to-day. .

-1-173erjeant Parry: Is he the Roger Tichborne you then
saw

--Withers : In my opinion, certainly not. The idea appears
to mute be quite ridiculous (thughter).
Cross-examined by Dr. Kenealy Thu was 24 years ago?
—lt was In 1849. _

;in.ra—th;n-io-ti never ea. Roger Tiehborne 7—No.
lied no rens< n for thinking anything about Mint—No.
Or the tattoo market—No.

-17417iL1i; -tile month of July. I had not
men him before that visit or since ; but I saw him every
day while I stopped I have a memorandum-book ghlch
would tell the exact date of this visit—when I arrlve, and
when I left, and what I paid for the cab to Tichborne (a
laugh).

D , you remember any other persons who were there
during the visit be-Yen. Mr. and Mrs. Robert Tichborne and
Ilia. Charlotte Talbot Ido not remember any others, but
there might have been
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How soon after the trial did it corns back to your memory?
—lt wall when I heard of the defendant's claim ; and I eald
to Mends of mine that if he were the right man he would
have those marks.

Did you see any member of the Tichborne family before
the trial t—l saw Lady Doughty In 18437
Did you call on Mr. Holmes in Ise7 —I never heard of
his name till lis it in the papers.
You made no excursion to Croydon In 1867 ?—(With great
surprise): Oh, dear, no. (Laughter.)
The Lord Chief Justice There is mother gentleman of
of your name in the case.
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Witness : Indeed . that accounts for the question then.
Dr. Kees&ly A° defendant) : Will you puss° show your
thumb?

Defendant held out his hand, and the teltnelts descended
from the 'Moots-box to exaTtne it)

Did you ever see any peculiarity —hi the defendant like that?
—Never.

Vil:ri.colour was Ma hair ?—Certainly not black, and cer-
tainly not curly. . . . .

Wee there anything peculiar In hie walk ?—No; he had a
slovenly gilt—he was a loose-made man, not well set up.
You say you spoke to Lady Doughty on this subject I—Oh,
dear. no I never spoke to her snout It. I simply saw her
In London making • morning c iIL I had no converution
with her about the Claimant or the case. The trial had not
begun in the Common Pleas at the time. I had no conver
Nation with any of the Tichborne family nor their lawyer'
about the tattoo. I had no communication with them.

Re-examined by Mr Berleant Parry I don't remember
the year when I first heard that the Claimant was in this
country. Nobody called my attention in the first instance
to these tattoo marks. I recollect them myself. Roger wu
a very alight men. If I Awl met him without knowing that
he was the son of Mr. James lichborne, I ihould have net
him down for a Frenchman. He occasionally used French
Idioms translated into English and occasionally he would
use a French word to explain what he meant. He spoke very
broken English.

Mr. Alfred Seymour, examined by Mr. Hewkins : I live at
Knoyle House, Wiltshire, and Eaton square, London. I am
member of parliament for Salisbury. My father was
late Mr. Henry Seymour, of Knoyle. My brother, Mr. Henry
Denby Seymour, was the only other son. He was my younger
b:other. The Dowager lady lichborne was. half-sister of
mine. She was a natural daughter of my father. Lady
Tichborne was born In the year 1803, and was married to
Mr. James lichborne in the year 1827. The family of Mr.
Tichloorne emulated of two sons, Roger and Alfred. The
latter was ten year. younger than Rog.. I ballsve that
there were two daughters, but I only recollect one, who died
In infancy. Her name was Mabel, I remember. My impression
I. that she was the elder sister, but I would not be certain.
Loth the death of Lady Tichborne I continued upon good
ard Intimate tern, with her, and until his death, with
Si,' James Tichborne. The earliest recollection I have of
per Tichborne was his coming to Knoyle with his
father and mother, end his sister Mabel. who was quite
• thild. It was the only time I saw her. I have a childish
re,ollectlon of her, and I believe she wiu in arms, but
whether she was "In arms," or only being carried Just at that
time, I don't remember. In 1834 Mabel died. My father
lived chiefly at Knoyle. He had also a house in town at IS,
Upper Grosvenor.street. My mother wee • daughter of Mre.
H 'Almon, whose residence was at Bath. She was a widow.
She went the autumn and winter at Knoyle in my falters
house. Mro. Hopkinson used to spend the summer at Bath,
and the autumn and winter at Knoyle. She died Jan, 1850.
Mr Seymour, my father, died in Nov. 1849, and my mother
d:ed in March, 1889. Betides my brother Henry,
1 had three sister., Jane—the eldest, married Mr.
Philip Bouverie in August. 1847; Sarah Eden mar-
ried Mr. Ayeliford Sanford, of IdureheeA.court, In
Somersetahlre, in 1856; Louisa Caroline A'Court, the
wife of Sir Henry Rawlinson, in 1862. Lady Rawlins:on
w. the youngest of the family. I was born next before her.
Lady Rawlinson was two or three years older than Roger
Tichborne. Mrt Sanford was called Ellen, dropping the
first name. Roger Tichborne was in the habit of visiting
Knoyle, and also Grosvenoustreet He once visited with his
father, Sir James Tichborne. That would be in ; but
he generally visited without him. Whilst he was at Stony.
hunt I think he was at Knoyle every autumn for two or
three weeks. I think he we. there in 1845, 1846, 1847,
1818, and 1849. I knew he was there In the autumn—
generally in September. Me came and went just as he
pleased. Upon these occasions my brothers and sisters
were, for the most part, at home, and Mn. Hopkinson
was a resident in the house. In speaking to my father he
always sailed him Mr. Seymour. I
• single occasion, speak of him as his grandfather. lie was
In the habit of addressing me and my brother as Henry and
Alfred. Ile never addressed me as Uncle Alfred on any single
occasion, in speaking or writing. He addressed my sisters
by their Christian names invariably. Roger Tichborne was
a little taller than myself, exceedingly slight, slight-built,
narrow-shouldered, a wiry long figure, with an expressive
face, and dark, straight bail.. He was exceedingly narrow.
cheated. His hair was parted at the side, and before he went
Into the army he used to wear it long, and he was always
throwing it back. After he got his comudesion I suppose
they out his hair off, and he wore It much shorter.

The Lord Chief Justice: le one of him letters he speaks of
their having ens hie hair.

Xxamination resumed :—• sketch by Lord Bellew was here
handed he, and with reference to It the wimees said that Is
exactly how Roger Charles Tichborne wore his hair, quite
straight. His hair WWI several shades darker than mine,
and he was • darker man. I Bhould say he had rather an
olive eemplexion. lie was not what you would call • fair
complexioned man. I remember his smile as a very
pleasant one, and he had • pleasant expression. There
was not the slightest twitch of the eye. I never heard
of any malformation or peculiarity about the thumb. I
never heard such • thing suggested until long after the bet
trial commenced. I remember that he was tattooed I
saw the marks—it was on the left arm. To the best of my
recollection they were • cross, a heart, and an anchor, with
the initials underneath the figure. The initials were
straggling letters, badly done, and placed lengthways.
The 1.4 letter sloped down and was larger than the
others. I have &perfect recollection of seeing them on two
occaatons, but I have no doubt I have seen them oftener.
When at Knoyte he used to go to my room and smoke
and play the French horn. My room was detached from
my father's house—ln the butler's cottage. Ile used to take
his coat oil to Smoke and play the French horn, more at his
ease, and on one of those occasions I Saw the marks. I don't
remember whether I spoke to him about them. The other
occsalon was when we were standing beside a covert which
the hounds were drawing, and he bared Ma arm to show the
marks. There were other persons pram* but I don't re-
member who. In my conversation, we almost always used
to speak in French—all the flit/ nearly always spoke
French with him. lie could not English. I remember
his voice, in connection with accent. I have had the
opportunity of seeing the defendant on several occasions and
hearing him speak; and I see him now.
Mr. flawkins :It he Roger Charles Tlchborne
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Witness (emphsticsliy) —No. When at Knoyle he occupied
• corner room looking into the court-yard—in a turret.
BLnce 1861 there has been no alteration in the buildings--
absolutely none. (Witness pointed out Roger's room in a
photograph of Knoyle, produced] In that part of the
house there had been no alteration mince 1845. In 1851,
there was an additional room added to the garden-front
(photograph produced) A third photograph represents the
front of the house, and the butler's cottage, showin r wit-
ness's room, above-mentioned. My father hated smoking, and
he had an equal aversion to practising on the French horn
(a laugh) Roger used, therefore, during his visits to go for
that purpose to my room.

The Cord Chief Justice: Was he at that time a great
smoker?

Witness: He was, my lord ; he aged to smoke the strongest
eavendlsh,

Examination resumed: Whilst Roger Tras at Knoyle he
went to Wardour to Chapel. He need to go every Sunday.
My father sent him over in the carriage. Our side of the
family were not Roman Catholics. He often paid visits to
Wazdour, and sometimes stayed there a couple of days and
nights. When Roggr came to Rogyie from Tlchborne, he
came to Winchester, thence to Salisbury, I think, by train ;
but I am not certain whether the railway was open at that
time-18441 ; and from Salisbury to Shaftesbury be travelled
by the coach. II ye used to meet him. Roger Tichborne
used to shoot o dly, but he was a very bad shot, and
did not care much übout it He was very fond of riding and
hunting. In 1844 or 1849 he bought a hone, when he was
thinking of going into the army. In September, 1841. Roger
Tiohbornek father was at Knoyle. Roger Joined him there
just after he had received his commission. My recollection
was that he got his certificate. in September. 1849, and cams
down to join his rather at Knoyle. At that time my father
was at Bath. He was very to•Wa. He wan In tato lama Nava
of draw, and Widnes was =well a wallow of weak% Ha

went to my grandmother's In order to be able to consult the
doctors at Bath I remember Roger going to Bath, or
coming from there. I forget which. I was at Knoyle at
the time I had • COUVOIINtIOI3 with Ro.,er Tichborne in
which reference would probably be made to my father's
Innen. The object of the visit of Roger Tienhorne 10
Bath was to enable him to take leave of my father. I
was constantly driving backwar,la and forwards between
Bath and Knoyle, going one day and returning the
next. On one of these occasions I found my father
• little better, and advised Roger Tichbonie to go over
at once to see him. It was • question of taking a final
farewell of him In thi• world and choosing a day to do it.
My father was confined to bed, or to a chair propped up with
pillows. My father died six weeks afterwards In Mr. Hop-
kinson's house at Rath Mrs, Eloptinson died in his house
at Knoyle. I think Roger went straight from Bath to
Tichborue. I did not see him so much after he Ins in
the army. I was then a great deal abroad. I was at 81.
Petenburgh. After he went into the army he was at
Knoyle. He spent there the last two nights he win in
England. I am not certain of having seen Roger at
Knoyle after 1849. I law him Liter in Loudon in Upper
Grosvenor-street, subsequent to 1849. Whenever he came
to London, $9. Upper Grosvenor-street was his home, that is,
he always had his meals there, but there was no bed to give
him. At that time Thompson, the butler, had taken • place
in St. James's place, and the time when Roger was there was
when we were not in London. In the autumn of 1849 Roger
made a long stay in Grosvenor street, when he was prepar
Mg for his examination. At that time he kept there. That
would be after February, 1849. My brother was a great
eleal there, and I was backwards and forwards myself. Per-
sonally I knew nothing of his studies. There was • conver-
ntion with him abut hie uniform In 1849. I remember
his trying it on at Knoyle. My impression le that it was
sent to him there from London. I remember his having
his Uniform on, and his showing himself to us in it.
By the Lord Chief Justice : I don't remember the colour of
the uniform—or whether it was red or blue. There wee •
good deal of gold lace about it.

By Mr. Justice Lush I did not see Roger again at finnyle
after 1849. but 1 taw ham afterwards 1n Loudon, and went to
the Exhibition with him in 1861.

Examinati m resumed : I never had • word of difference
with him; and he never failed to come to our house when-
ever he was in Loudon There we. never an change In our
Intimacy—ms were like brother. In November, 18136, I
paid • visit to Saris. Lady TichbOrne at that time was
living in Yaris. I had a conversation with her about the
Claimant's return. She communicated to me the fact of her
having received a letter and photograph. She refused
to show me either the ono or the other, having at
first promised to do No. In the early part of 18d7 I saw
Lady Tichborne on the subject of the arrival of the defend-
ant. I made many applications to her to see the defendant.
ifiljednor:esreetoitilr.inf.it:iiyutyo- see atnhdenshle.nmevter wotule.
was to be cross examined at the Law Institution. Before that
I had had • letter from Holmes stating that the defendant
could not keep an appointment which had been made with
me to see him. I attended the cross-examination at the LAW
institution on each of the three days. Nothing was done
there by staring at him or otherwise in the court to disturb
him or give him annoyance.

Mr. Hawkins Tell um what happened at the Law led'.
tutlon.
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Witness: I went In and sat down near the door. In
about five minutes a person walked in and sat down within
two or three feet of me. I recognised him from the Iphoto-
graph be be the defendant. When he ant down he looked
at me—he glanced at me—but he took not the slightest
notice of me. lie had not the slightest recollection of me.
1 At that time even Balgent did not know me by sight, Co
that be had nobody to prompt him. After I had been
there some time, I was told by somebody that I had better
go to the other side of the room, and I did em Then I saw
that I was pointed out to him but during the ten minutes
previously he had not the 'lightest recollection of me, and he
took not the slightest notice of me. During the three days
I was there he never made the slightest attempt to exchange
a word with me. Up to that time there had never been the
slightest circumstance to prevent Roger Tichborne from
coming to me almost the first on his arrival in England. I
took Lady Tichborne out at luncheon on two of the three
days, and was with her during the half-hour of the recess.
She never made De slightest attempt to speak to meet that
time. Lady Tichborne was present during the whole of the
three days of the examination, and I was glad to take her
nut and /waist her to get what she required at luncheon.
Up to the time of Lady Ttchborne • death there was
no change in my friendly relations with her—the same
brotherly feeling which had always existed still remained. I
don't remember serinat Lady Tichborne in the early part of
the year 1588. I think it was in October. 1857, I went to see
her. I think it was in October, 1887, that I first heard It
suggested that the Claimant was Orion, and I remember
seeing her upon that subject. I toil her that it was ucer-
Mined that the penon who called himself her son was really
Arthur Orion, • butcher, at Wapping, and that by
her conduct In Nupporttng him as her eon she was
doing a gross injustice to her real grandson, about
whose birth and identity she could have no pos-
sible doubt whatever—that she was the only one of the
family who had taken up this impoator, and oonstdered
him as the real person, and that now we were absolutely
certain who he we.. I put it to her whether It would not be
wiser for her, both from • social and religious point of view,
to think the matter over in her own mind and endeavour to
reconcile herself to the idea that he woo not her eon. I said
there is evidently • great conspiracy with regard to this
matter, and iii. determined to fathom It to the bottom and
punish those who aided and abetted It. She jumped up and
said, '-But they cannot do anything to me." l said I don't
know, but I have come here to shield you. We have always
been on good terms, and I have c.nne here to denounce him
as an impostor, and to endeavour to persuade you that ho
is not your real son.

Da you remember any peculiarity about Lady Tichborne,
from the time that timer was supposed to be drowned ?
She always hat tne Idea that her SOD was not drowned. She
had many which I have heard of, and which were notorious
By the Lord Chief Justice: When Lady Tichborne made
the remark I just now named, it appeared to me—it wee my
impression at the time, and I held it up to her death—that
she was then wavering. I could only judge from her
manner. She said nothing more than what I have repeated.
I never heard Rater Tlchborne call Lady Tichborne " mama "
after the time he went to Stonyhuret. The family name,
Seymour, has never been spelt in any other way than
Se y m-o u-r since the Lath Century. Boger never spelt it
S-wy.m-o-r-e.
Do you remember hearing of the Broom card cam at
Brighton ?—1 have heard of it in court.
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But the chew:octane*. t—l don't see how I could remem-
ber It.

-11-re Lord Chief J astlce • It was In 1851.

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Witness: I was abroad In some part of 1851. I never
heard of the Broom card case, or of any other card swind-
ling case at Brighton In connection with Roger Tlchborne at
all I never heard • suggestion on the subject until the sug-
gestion made In the Claimant'. letter. I knew that Roger
was • member of the Alfred Club In 1845. I never saw
R Ter the worse fee drink

'I be Lord Chief Justice : Some men can take • good deal
of wine without showing It Did he appear to drink m pre
than men generally do I—l think he was fond of wine arid
atrong tobacco, spit of that which would have blown my
head off. He "hoot • very strong head Indeed." He may
have taken as much wine as might have hurt other people
without producing any effect upon himself. I don't know
whether Roger kept a diary. There is not the remotest
almilarity between the handwriting of my brother Henry
Seymour and my father. I remember that Roger and mrs
Il..pkinson were on very good terms. Roger knew her as
well as we did.
The witness was cross-examlned at considerable length,
and in the course of his cross-examination he wan asked as
ii a conversation In the House of Commons with Mr. G.
Onalow, and he denied any such conversation. He was
preued with a particular expreeaton as to his sister —" She
may he grilling in hell, for aught I know," and he Bald he
had no recollection of it. Asked If he would swear that
Roger had no twitching In the eyes, he eald he would Asked
II Roger's hair was darker than his (which Is nearly black),
he laid that it was darker than his had been.

Is not the hair of the defendant that of the rest of the
family I—l say that his is not the hair of Roger Itchborne.,
Is not his Yak that of all the Tichbornes 7—Why, they have
not all the same sort of hair. (Great Laughter)
Is his not the hair of Alfred I—No , that was lighter. It was
the oppoalte et Roger's.
Yon said his complexion wee olive 77-I mean sallow.

Did ;;t7 ad-ranee money for the trial In the Common
Pleas ?--I lent £2,000

Von say t . n 1849 he showed you the tattoo marks/
I never mentioned the year. It was one of the years he was
staying at Knoyle-1848. 1847, or 1848-1 cannot give you
the year. It was beim 1849. "
Did it make any impression on you I—No.
When did he show it to the hunt /—I
show it to the hunt. I said I law It at the hunt

(A lock of hair, which hai been produced by the defend-
sot in Chancery, on here exhibited, and the witness waa
sated if It resembled that id Roger, end he laid he thought
it did.)

Asked to describe the tattoo marks, the wltneu men.
tinned the cross, heart, and anchor, with the letters under-
neath "R.C. T. He thought they were two or three inches
In extent without the letters. (He drew • dgure of them.)
The marks were all blue, but he could not answer as to the
shade of colour. Asked If he had heard Roger speak of hie
mother. witness said he supposed he hod. Asked If be had
not called her" Mamma," he said, "Never after he went to
Stonyhuret ; only •• • child." (The Lord Chief Justice ob-
served that It was so In the earlier letters.) He never used
the erpresalon In after life. •
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are you & member 7-1 used to
be.

Mid you ever meet Roger there t—Yes, repeatedly. (De-
fondant had denied belonging to it )
You never saw Roger drunk, you say f—No, never before
he was in the Army.
After he woe In the Army, do you know his habits altered?
—I don't know. I did not me much of him while he was In
the Army.
Did you know enough of his habita In the army to know
whether he wee a drunkard 7-1 knew he never was •

At the Law Institution, how many of the family were
there 7—Ten or a dozen. Mn. Townley and others.
Were there not complaints made as to the daring at him?
—I believe there were; whenever he bungled at a question
tee complained they were staring at him.
That you men! 7-7 y

Yo i'0.;;;;;i4 .bout 11102 /—Yea

And you all made up your minds that he 11as no ?
—Not so far as I am concerned untll_l had men him.

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And then you made up your mind?—Yee, quite.
Did you know Allred welL
Was hese Nobel...as Roger?
•

iiitTiti.ia-ei,fe-eliZin'd the queemen .Irepped.
Now, from the time you first heard of his return did you
always bear these tattoo marks In mind I—Well, I believe
so.
Mr. Hawkins, in ruexamlnation, asked if the family did
not speak about it
Mr. Kenealy, however, objected to this.
Whims, said his mother had always spoken of It.
Mr. Kensaly again objected.
(Mr. Hawkins, with reference to that part of the crook.
examination which related to the alleged estrangem.nt, read
a most affectionate letter from the Dowager to Mr. Henry
Seymour, addreudng him as " My dear Henry," acknowledg-
ing Ms "kind letter," and expreming her own sorrow and
her sympathy with him, with Mrs. Seymour, and "poor
dear Mrs. Hopkinson," and sending, In conclusion, her
" fondest love " to the whole family.)

Did you ever hear of any complain- of her being esparated
from her father never.

(10 letter, Of Mr ie-yrer—Ofir, dated 1845 and 1844, both
addressed to Mr. James Tichborne, were road, and speaking
In the most affectionate terms of Henrietta," to whom he
said he bad written Inviting her to come over with her child.
Both letters spoke of letting to Ilenriette (the Dowager)
containing invitations to Knoyle.)
The Lord Chief Justice observed that the letters proved
that Invltations were sent to Lady Tichborne,
Mr. Justice Lodi: They answer the suggestions made In
cross-examination that she was not allowed to see her
father.

(.letter from Mr. Seymour, dated June 30, 1845, wan here
read, containing this :—"Mr. Tichborne and Roger went
this morning to Stonyhurst. ') (This letter having been
shown to defendant, In crone-examination, he said it wan
Mr. Henry Hanby Seymour's, and be also stated that his
father did not go with him to Stonyhurst)
The witnem further stated with reference to the alleged
estrangement that the Dowager continued to the time of her
death on terms of perfect affection with tha family. lie had,
he said, no interest whatever in the suit
Asked If Mr. Blown was any conflation of the family,
Milieu said "No," he never beard of him; and,.. to Mr.
nßetr:iun..olhtle Tichbornhad ed a Mine e
tuilwitin. whnoewanver IMO".
him.

Yon have read Lord Bellew's evidenee u to the tattooing?
—Yen

i nit his account of the conversation with you 7—Yes.
Is it correct 7—Absolutely so.. .

The Lord Chief Justioe .1
You were present at the LAW
Institution and heard kir defend knee examlnatio.n
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Did you observe any 'french accent f—riot at all; no trace
of it.

—When did you last use Rogeri—l think the rummer of
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—Did In speak with the french accent then /—Always lie
always spoke with that went, and made use of French
Idioms and phrases.
Mr. Antics Mellor: Wu there anything In the sound of
the defendant's voice which reminded you of Boger I—Not
the least; quite the contrary.
Where you aware that Hoye ever had 81. Ifltua's Dance
—No.

Wu It ever spoken ot In the tunny ?—tiever.
Did you me Mu al his hiving u Bayou affection ?
NOW.

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One of the Dry : Did you ever hear of him having a brown
mark ?—I neve beari of It.

Hr. Samuel Mills deposed : I am In practice In South-
ampton street Strand. I have been in attendance on Don
Thomas t'sstr) [non the IsB May until to-day. I have watched
him narrowly He is not mentally capable Ii being examined
on this trial He ha. mentally deteriorated thin past week,
and will conlinue to do so every week.
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Don Pedri Santandor, vrho came over with Castro, was
called, but In refused to he SWOrn. lie stated, through the
interpreter, hat he would not make any declaration.
The bird Ole/ Justice: You are within our jurisdiction

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Santandor : I will no without I am paid for it.
Kr. Hawkins said -he was anxious to release Cutro,
because the South American mall Bail' the day after to.
morrow.

Mr. Purcell, barrlater, who had trted to examine Castro In
private, tat without effect. was called, but.. he was not
pre•ent. Cie matter was directed to stand over until the fol-
lowing day.
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A long letter from Mr. James Tichborne in 1839, com-
plaining of the absurd conduct of his wife with regard to
Roger, and describing her ec.ditric conduct, was put in and
read.
ite Court then adjourned.

The further hearing of the cane wee resumed on
Tueeday morning. . . . .

The Lord Chief Justice on taking his seat referred to the
publication of Mr. GI mildford Onslow's letter relative to the
trial, lie now found from a copy of the Leeds Evening
Express that bad been sent to him that the publication of
tho letter originated with that paper; and In addition there
was puhlbhed in the some paper • leading article on the
effect of the evtlence of the witnesses That could not be
tolerated, and must be put • stop to. There were also being
published caricatures of an abominable description -attacks
upon • mull who was on his trial. Whether Innocent or
guilty, • roan was entitled t I be considered innocent until
be had hens pronounced otherwise by a Jury
The A tterney•Generwl, who said he attended in conse-
quence of what his Lordship stated on the previous day, said
that everything should be done, and that speedily, to put an
end to thew publications.

Mr. Gerald Fitzgerald produced his pocket-book, from the
entries lo which It appeared that he want to Tfchborne
on • visit on Saturday, Path June, 1849, and left on Monday,
Bth July.

Col. George Greenwood deposed "1 reside at Brook wood
Park, Hampshire. I was formerly in the 2nd We Guards. I
was connected by marriage with the Tlchbornes, and I am
Intimately connected with them. I knew Roger well. I knew
him from 1845 until 1852. (Witness described R .ger's per-
sonal appearance in much the same terms as the former wit-
nesses. ) On the Cuth A nand, 184, Roger was weighed, and that
weight was entered In the nook of weights kept at Brookwood
His weight is entered 84 12Ib Roger Minted with me. He
had the manners of a perfectly well-bred gentlemen. I had a
favourite horse shot whilst Roger we, at Brookwood, and I
raised a cairn of flints over him grave. Roger filled the har-
row and I wheeled them up and pitched them over, and
!shovelled them up. When Roger was tired he would sit down,
place the stones In the shovel, and then get up and putthem
, in the barrow, saying that was the most expeditiou way of
I doing it. I made him a present of my red hunting coat,
the first he ever had. I went with bim to Sand-
hurst for his examination on the Is 2 of July, 1841.
We could not get accommodation there, and we had to
get a bed at the pot house, the " Tumble Down Dick's,"
opposite the railway station at Farnborough. (The wit-
ness's account of what transpired was different to that given
by the defendant.) I knew Miss Doughty. I think Roger
paid her attentiou Roger knew the mare Miss Doughty
rode well. The defendant is not the Roger Tichborne I know.
He has never called at Brookwood to see me. I weft at the
Law institute in 1858 with my sister-in-law, Mrs. Catherine
Greenwood I then formed theoptulon that he was not Roger.
I have not the least dount about It I accidentally met defend•
ant and CoL Lushington, after seeing him at the Law Institute,
it Stockier Station." The witness then went over a great
part of the evidence he gave at the last trial. He was up/-
chilly examined about what passed In a railway carriage
between him and the defendant In the presence of Colonel
Luskington. The colonel asked the defendant to mention some-
thing only known between himself and witness.. The defendant
then related the story about Colonel Greenwood once hiding
in • hedge his hunting coat, which WY afterwards found bye
labourer and brought back. The defendant WWI inaccurate In
some of the pertienlars hut the incident was not a beret
between them, as he (witness) told every one about it, and
It was well known in the neighbourhood. The defend-
ant also said that they did not go to the Tumble-
down Dick' until after his examination at Sandhurst, where-
as they went before. Ile also said they saw no one In par-
Lieut. at that boom. He further said that he nearly broke
his back In wheeling up the stones to the cairn, but the
building of it was well known in the neighbourhood He said
his first hunting coat was given him by Mr. Marx, •
gentleman living in Hampshire. He mentioned the colour
but did not know the name if the bay mare which
Mir Doughty used to ride. The mare's name was
Rowena, and Roger well knew It. After • time Colonel
Lushington said his answers would convince any
Jury in the world that he was Roger. Witness
observed that the defendant had been long enough
about Ilchborne to learn the colour of the mare, hut that if
he were Roger he would recollect it. names, wells, the name
of Ills. Doughty. Col. Lushington .aid he supposed It would
not convince him If he saw that the defencient's arm had been
vaccinated in the French way—that was with more puncture.
Ile replied in that cow he should not dispute he had been
vaccinated abroad. The de,endant ssid to him, "Are you
prepared to swear I am not R iger Tichborne / " and he re,
plied, " I am prepared to swear, to the best of my knowledge
sod belief, that you are not," and that was his opinion

Captain Thomas Menders, residing at Marlborough, and
who had served many years In the Csrahineers, pining It in
1817, we. the next witness called. Was adjutant for fourteen
years. The present Colonel Bickerstaff succeeded him in
that capacity, and held it when Roo! Tiehhorue joined
The Colonel at that tine was Sir James Jackson. 'Ogee
jdined in October, 1849, when the regiment was quartered
at the Portobello Barrack., Dublin. The witness then
gave the dates of the different movements of the
regiment, and said he was In the regiment during
the whole time Roger remained. On one occasion
while Roger was brushing his hair he distinctly saw tattoo
marks on his left arm. He could only recollect the anchor,
but there were other marks. Ile made no observation at
the time, The captain then gave a minute description of
Roger's physical appearance, and said he attributed his
peculiarity in walking rather to weakness than any malforma•
lion Never noticed any peculiarity in his thumb. lie did
not talk like an English gentleman, but with a marked foreign
accent. When he got mush excited, he darted all at once into
French to explain himself.
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Is the d;re;;(lant Roger Charles Tlchborne r--No ; cer-
tainly not (emphatically).

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Examination continued At the time Roger waa in the
regiment there were In troop., each of about fifty-rive men
and forty fire horses. A squadron was composed of two troupe.
Tre witless wise examined ae to esti es military terms and
movements which he said must have been familiar to Roger.
He learned his duties as an officer. and was able to command
a troop in the field tolerahly well but he was not very sharp.
He laboured under the disadvantage of not thoroughly un-
derstanding the language. lie mixed in the beet society in
Dublin, and he met him at levees and balls. Roeer had a
taste for antiquity, and they visited together old cutlet and
ruins Never saw him drunk. He way studious and very
fond of reading. The witness related a story of his exchang-
ing horse. with Roger in Ireland. Roger had a heavy
English horse with which he had many tumbles In hunt.
tug and witness had • little horse which " could do anything
in the world," and which he thought would suit Roger, who
was a light-weight. It ger wiehesi to take it, but was very
conscientious about paying Lit that was to be given In
addition, as he had no mosey at the time, and he only received
hie remittance. periodically. Witness said he had with him •
Journal In which there were entries of the money having
been paid In two sum.. When the regiment left Ireland for
Hugland Roger had the hone brought over.

Mr. Hawkins referred the jury to the page In the evidence
at the last trial, In which the defendant had shown ignorance
of thia Incident.

Witness recollected Roger being 11l at Canterbury barracks,
and when he went into his room he found he had been
lanced on the forehead. Roger on leaving the regiment
made him • present of • bag. They parted on the rialst
friendly terms. In 1887 or 1868 he heard the defendant was
In the neighbourhood of Marlborough. He would have had
no difficulty in coming to see him. Would only have been
too delighted to see his old friend Roger, as everyone who
knew him would R ker was not an efficient officer, but he
made wonderful progress while he was in the regiment. Ile
occasionally made blunder'. They were scarcely blunders,
as he uttered nothing lie wee not prompt In giving the
word of command. Thought the word 'arsine was generally
known In the army before the Crimean war, but was not cer.
thin. The illness at Canterbury seemed to have affected
Roger's health, and he wee rather melancholy afterwards.
Lie attributed the melancholy to the regiment not going
abroad. The general opinion in the regiment was that he
wanted constitution to make • good officer, not intelligence.
Re-examined : Roger was •nove C:e average of young
officers In intellect and knowledge, and was of a studious
disposition. and knot Ms room a good deal

To the Lord Chief Justice Roger certainly did not prefer
the society of his Inferiors. He was very much liked by his
brother officers. There might have been practical Jokes
played upon him, but every young officer has to go through
the same ordeal If they take it in good nature it Is not
continued, but if they show any temper it is carried on
(Laughter)
The Lord Chief Justice You have said that Roger exhi-
bited • melancholy alter his Illness at Canterbury Were
you aware then that contemporaneous with that lines. he
had a severe shock in the shape of a love disappointment
—No but that would account for the melancholy.
To Mr. Justice Mellor: I have tried, but have never suc-
ceeded In tracing anything In the voice, appearance, or pro-
nunciation of the defendant which resembled Roger.
To Mr. Justice Lush : Roger could not have kept the men
whom he took to the Roman Catholic chapel at Canterbury
outside • private house for an hour.

Mrs. Menders, the wife of the last wltneu, who was
married in 1851 when the regiment wu at Cabir, said she
knew Roger perfectly well. When she first saw him he had
such a @trona French accent that she thought he wan.
Frenchman. The defendant was not Roger.

The next with... was Captain George Fraser, another of
Roger'. fellow-officer., who had been with him the whole
time he was in his regiment, and who had an interrlew with
the defendant about which he woe asked a good deal In the
mune of hie examination.
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rhe plumage* relating to him were thm a
"Did you have an interview with Captain Fraser 7—l
did.

" Is he major or captain now /—ltrally I cannot tell you.
Quartermaster Fraser he was I suppose he is major now.
What was Major or Captain F when you flat knew
him '—Quartermaster.

n When did you first see him after you came home P—l
cannot tell you when It was. I daresay you base got the
date there. I do not mean In 1866,—tt was so near the

It In the Arit you that you came home lu 1887?-1
think It rm. .

...:71TVLio—to One of the men or not /—I do not say positively
that It wao 1867.

W. he or not one of the men who attended before Mr.
Roupelit—Yee, I saw him at Mr. Montt.ll'a.
' You did I—Yee.

" ficii;;;;pe;lTio him I—No. I did not.")
Captain Frazer said he had the care of Roger Tichborne's
drill, Captain Philips (who is deed) being riding-master. He
found him, he said, quite apt at Instruction, but his want of
knowledge of the English lemmase was such as to prevent
his program and cause him to be laughed at , but he became
thoroughly well acquainted with and very attentive to his
duties, and was a very exact officer. He understood the
movementa and evolutions of troops very well, con-
sidering he was only a young officer, and when sent
from Celtic to Cfoumel he was coneldered qualified for
his duties ea an officer. (The various military phrases
pat to the defendant in his cross examination, such
as "squadron and troop," were put to the witness, and de-
clared to be gait* elernentar7, and such as a young officer
mast have been familiar with.) Witness remembered the
bleeding at Canterbury Describing Roger, he said he
was very thin and narrow-cheated, and drooped his
shoulders, and was not fit for the service. He was, in
fact, what was called • "weedy man." His hair was
a dirty brown—neither black nor brown. It was quite
straight. As to his eye., there was nothing peculiar in
them—no twitch,' or anything of that kind. He WAN
very weak In his limbo ; in fact, he had nolega He was very
strict in all his duties ; no eine attended more to them. He
was very exact in discharge of them. He was '' • kind young
fellow as ever breathed but he was • little laughed at,
called ". Frenchy," and suffered some practical jokes from
his fellow-officers. He used to come and tell witness hie
grievances—the praCtloal Jokes referred to. He was addicted
to smoking and snuff taking, and before he left Canterbury
Roger made him present of a small wooden snuff nor (which
he had lost), and he narrated the circumstances under which
lt was given... . _

Arter he left Canterbury you bare never wren bleat—Never
seen Alm alum

li.he7;—perfect knowledge of him I—Certaluly.
You hare had ample opportunities of seeing the defend.
ant 4—Yea

I. be Roger Charles Tichbornei—Certainly not.
When did you first hear of his return F.—Early in 1887 ; I
Beef it in the nePere. but I paid no attention to it. I first saw
him on the 31st of July, 1347, at the Law Institntion, where
I watched 111 rn for some hours. I was standing Just behind
his right shoulder.
Noticing his voice f—Yee. No temsemblaane to Roger
Tichborne's.

Did he on Rua deg see yon I—Yea I end an-
other allow saw him go past. We Mood Scram. He

looked at as, and neither Of us identified etch other. He
did not recognise us. Witness had no communication from
him until January, MSS, when he had a note from him at
Yarmouth, where the witnesi then lived. The letter was
brought to him bye Mr. Bons, landlord of the "Swan " et
Aln-oford, who wanted him to go cod " tic ange..." Wit
11P611 mid to him that he had already seen hlm, sod was quite
satisfied he was not Sir Roger, and did not like to go and
tell the man to his taco he mess liar. Roils pressed him
to go to see him, urging that it would be more eatisfactory,
and the defendant sent him a letter. The witness went ou
to state that he w 'at to the hotel and there saw the do.
'mutant who said, "How do you do, Captain !eraser ?-
Witness said, "1 don't know you" He was asked to sit
down and dad so, and the defendant and one or two with
him, Rolls End Baigent, began to put questions to him.
Witnesa asked him if he could tell him anything as to what
occurred at Canterbury, and he could tell him nothing at all.
witness mentioned John Irwin, the old mess waiter, and
the defendant said, "Who'. John Irwin Witness
said, Sfy good fellow, It la clear you know nothing of the
regiment." They began to prone him as to persot al ap-
pearance and resemblance, and witness said he fancied
he saw some slight appearance of resemblance In one
part of the face ; "but (he said) you are far too
good-lo,klng a man to be Roger Tichborne. Be-
side., his hair was much darker and quite Weight your.
Is lighter, and is inclined to turn at the end:' lie sat there
with them about two hours, and then rose up to go. The
defendant coked him to shake hands with him, and witness
said, "1 have no objection to shake hands with you, but not
at Roger Tichborne. " Nest day the witness had a letter
from him to the affect that he hod recetv,l frpm Roger •
Isite, r snuff nos, but there was 110 truth whatevir in it, and
witness took no notice of it.

Well, have you any doubt whatever now about the .:e-
-fondant t—None whatever ; I never had any from the time
I first saw him; there could hardly be two persons more
unlike. . .

Crosaexamined by Mr. Kenealy, the witness was asked
whether the difendatit and others did not put questions to
him, and he said they -lid He could not say that they
mired wh.ther he could recollect anything particular ay
which he could recognize Tichborne.
Did they ask whether Roger had large eyes and arched,
thick eyebrows 4-- Vedi, they probably did.
And did you say he had /—Yes, I dare say I did.
Did they then ask you to lo k at the defendant and see It
he had not those features P—No. I do not remember that
they did.
Did you not say "I can see the likeness there certainly,
but nowhere else I "—No, I did not. I said I fancied I could
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sae a slight likeness in the aide of the face. Tichborne cer-
tainly had large ei es and dark, arched eyebrows, but I did
not say the defendant had.
Did you not say I cannot swear one way or the other ?
Certainly not, for I was perfectly satisfied when I saw him
at the Law Institution. No such words were ever put to
me. I could not have said any such thing after my mind had
been perfectly made up.
Was Itoger perfectly sober when he gave you the muff-
boo I—Well, he had had his share of • couple of bottles of
wise; but I was quite sober and I believe he was so. I
never saw him drunk.

11. quite understood what be was about I—Quite.
If he had described the Incident to you truly, you would
have acknowledged him I—Well, I had my doubt.: but cer-
tainly it occurred between us In my room; and I am not
aware that any one else knew of It.

Did you ever hear of any malformation /—Never; arid
I think I must have known of any if he had any ; for I
had the care of him from the time he first came into the
regiment.
Was a certain nickname ever applied to him? (The name
we. written on paper and handed to attune., who at once
said " No," but he once told me he had been so called once.
The witness, however, gave an explanation of it, and, the
paper being handed to the jury, they tossed it from one to
the other, apparently without any regard to It, one or two
of them laughing, and the others not looking at it at all.)
Mr Hawkins, on reexamination, elicited that Roger was
quite • gentleman; was fond of good society, and had an
aversion for bad society and the company of immodest
women, sad could not endure them.
The Lord Chief Justice: What we. hie character as to
truth?

: lie was perfectly truthful and honourable; he
was quite above anything like fabehood.
The next witness was Captain Villars Morton, brother of
Captain Samuel Morton, another of Roger's brother officers
now dead, and brother-in-law of Captain Kellett, examined
the other day. He remembered Roger Tichborne quite
well, who was in his brother's troop, and visited hie father
(ss kirk Kellett described the other day) at Clonmel lie
saw him tot Dublin o. his second stay there, and saw him almost
daily up to the time of his leaving lor Canterbury. He con.
etantly dined with him at mess, and met him in society. He
descrined nim u a very thin young man, with dark hair
and mallow complexion lie remembered his accent and
voice. Lila aocent wee quite French, and he used French
phrases and idioms, and would aak. "What do you call that
in English?" His voice was soft and low.
Now, you have seen the defendant. When did you see
him fleet T—in May, Is7l, during the late trial. I saw him
frequently during the trial, and heard him speak.
Is he the Roger Tich borne you knew 9-42-dainty not.
The witness was then examined as to an interview between
himself and Major Kellett, and the defendant said to Major
Kellett, .• I know you." Major Kellett said, " Well, you
ought to. Who am I?' The defendant said, "Betty,-
meaning a Captain Betty. Captain Polhill Turner, who was
present, and to whom the defendant had written, said,
" Who am I The defendant, alter looking at him some
time, said, "1 don't know."
In cross.examinatlon the witness we. asked If he had
noticed Roger's hands and feet much, and he said he had
not.

Tne Lsrd Chief Justice Did you ever observe any pecu-
liarity about him I—No, never.
You had every opportunity of observing any I—Yes.
Mr. Justice Lnsh : Did 30u obeerve the defendant's voice
and accent /—Yes ; there Was no resemblance t.) Roger ;set
foreign accent it all. _

Csiotato Frazer was recalled and examined by the Lord
Chief Justice You drilled Roger Tlchborne?—Yea.
And observed his_limbs t—Yee.
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W. he in-kueed I—No, not at all: quite atralght legged.
Have you seen his hands uugloved ifteu
Was there any peculiarity in either of his thumbs 7—Cer-
tainly not, and I must have seen It if it existed. I had to
place Ms hand, and fingers in the proper position. I must
have seen any peculiailty or malformation, If any melted.
Suppose an officer had any pe ,ullarity In Ms thumb,
would it be noticed 7-oh, it must have been, at mess and
elsewhere among his brother officers.
(This was with reference to the case net up in the course
of the former trial, that the defendant has a peculiarity in
one of his thumb..)
Another officer was then called, but, as it wag late, the
Court adjourned.

[it Is believed that the close of the case for the promma.
012 may now be foreseen (said The Tome, on Wednesday)-
After the military Isthmuses, it Is believed, there remain no
witnesses of importance except member,. of the family; and
thus, thel afore, the case for tho prosacu.iou may poesioiy
be closed in xt we k, and certainly can hardy, extend much
beyond. At all events, it appears pretty certain, judging
from the witnesses examined as compared with those whose
evidence was " ope ad," that the case for the prosecution
will be closed not later than the week after next.i

The cane wag resumed on Wednesday morning.
Colonel Robert Bickerstaff, reeldlog near Preston, and In
Bel gardens, anti wno sun in the Canthineers all the
time Roger Tichborne btiongoi to the regiment, was the
first witness called. He ass adjutant when Roger joined,
and recollected his coming. He was In the room with the
«donel when he heard a knock at the door, and, on opening
It, he aaw a diminutive man In seedy black clothes. lie
naked what he wanted, and he said to join the regiment.
There was going to be • large dinner party, and the colonel,
thinking he was an assistant cook, said, Take hint to the
head cook." He then produced • document, and the
colonel, on reading it, said. "This is our new cornet. Pre-
sent him to his brother officer.." Roger'. appearance then
was a joke in the regiment. The witness then related the
Incident about his being landed, as a joke, on the mud near
How th, and getting his clothes .polled. Roger was pigeon-
breathed, and suffered much from asthma, which gave him •
kind of haggard look, and made him appear much older then
he really WM He was very anxious to learn hls drill, and
he could dolt perfectly on a table, hot.. won as he got on •
horse he forgot everything. Hespoke broken Engl ah.
To the Lord Chief Justice His Inability te learn his drill
did not arise from any incapacity, but from being unable to
cotelannhniationlf continued He came constantly to witneas's
room at night to learn hie drill, which he taught him by
meth, of little pieces of card, so that he might understand
the drill next day. He understood the drill perfectly, bat
the moment be got on a horse, as he had said, he forgot it
entirely. He never could handle • hone, and when begot
on one his attention was taken up with it instead of the
drill. He could stick on the back of a horse, but he could
not handle it for military riding. He could not teach him,
in consequence of his broken English, to give the word of
command. Roger made es much progren as could be ex-
pected in a gentleman of ordinary Intelligence.

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The Lord Chief Justice : From his letters it appears he
was very anxious to become a soldier? He was very anxious
Indeed to become a soldier.

Examination continued The doctor of the regiment
thought Roger emoted more than was good for him, and the
colonel ordered a pile of Cavendish which he had to be taken
away from him, and told witness' to allow him only one
stick of It • week. Roger always spoke like g Frenchman.
For instance, he would ask • lady if she would take • pro-
menade, and say that • musical compoettion was very pale.
(Laughter.) He was very popular in toe regiment, and hie
brother officers would have been glad to welcome him back.
A. to the illness of Roger at Canterbuy barracks,
the witness mid that on going Into his room, he
saw him lying flat on his back on the bed. He wee perfectly
rigid, and livid in the face, and cast:dog for breath, and could
only just say "bleed, bleed' Moore, the assistant surgeon,
tried to bleed him with • lancet on the right arm, but
there was only a little trickle rf blood. He then tried the
Pelt arm, with the same result; next both ankles,
but again only a little trickle of blood came, out of
each. The doctor turned to witness, cud said, "Shall I
open the temporal artery P' end he replied, "Open
anything." He then opened the temporal artery over
the right eye, and an Immense quantity of black blood
came out, whereupon Roger Immediately revived. He
remained afterwards In a very languid state. 'Milieu set
up with him the whole night, and the other officers con-
stantly came in to see him. Afterwards Roger, when he
learned what had taken place, said to him, 'You have
saved my life." Roger kept his room for • long time after-
wards, and witness did not recollect his again doing duty.
Every one in the regiment knew what lad ociurred, and the
°dicers need to say to witnees, "You cut his throat to save
his life." He parted on perfectly good terms with Roger,
and would have been perfectly delighted to see his eld friend
again. The defendant never made the slightest attempt to
see witness. Had had al opportunities of seeing and
°burring the defendant.

hen I will ask yon, Is he Roger Charleu Tichborne
(With much empnasis.) Moat decidedly not.
Cross-examined by be, Kenealy : When I said I saw a dimi-
nutive man on my opening tø door, I mean not a short, but
a thin, narrow- chested man. When R ,ger was bled at tin-
terOury I had an opportunity of seein4 ht. btre arms

Then did you see any tattoo market—l did. (Laughter)
You did I—Yea When I wae asked by Mr. Bowker, I
think I said he wee not tattooed, and I never remembered
anything about it until I reed in the paper that he was
tattooed with • cross and something else. I then remem-
bered the marks perfectly well. I'll tell you why. As he
used to always wear a little amulet round his neck with a
little cross, I thought he wen superstition., and Moore having
said to me, pointing to Roger's arm, 'Look there,- I now
distinctly recollect seeing • cross and something else I forget.
I thought that, as he wa a very religious fellow, the marks
had something to do with religion. When I read the evi-
dence the thing came back to me.
To Mr. Justice Mellor This is the first time I have men-
tioned the tattoo marks.

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Me Mellor : I wu surprised It wu not mentioned
In your.emminstlon-In-chlet.

—iii:ll:7;iiii;-:Tne.ei-egaint he knew anything about the
mark*.

Witness : As I knew very little about the marks I did not
wish to mention them.

To the Lord Chief Justice : I am, however, perfectly certain
I saw the marks on his left arm. Roger had previously had
ilineases of the kind, and I recollect the doctor on the occis-
lion In question remarking that there were three or four
marks on his right arm. Roger replied he vras bled two or
three times before on that arm.

General zone., of Leamington, who was also in the Carabl-
neer, during the whole time Roger was In that regiment,
gave similar evidence with regard to the personal ap-
pearance, character, and habits of Roger. He deposed to
another occasion when Roger was seriously ill at Canter
bury. On returning from London in the evening he became
unwell, and shortly after. sods General JOl5Bl was told Mr.
Tichborne wee dying. He went Into his room and found he was
gasping for breath_ He was attended upon by Dr. Saylor, who,
he believed, bad died in the Mauritian Witness stayed
some time In the room, but Dr. Taylor said he need not
remain any longer, as he would Mt tip all night with Man
Deaersto xl Roger suffered from a violmt description of
asthma, and he seemed to him to have such a complaint.
At the Law Inetltution witness vvi• naked t 3 go into • room
itod see if Roger Tichborne was there. He went in and came
out again, and said he could see nobody like him. The de-
fendant saw him, but ha I not the slightest recollectim of
him He was requested to go in a second time. He thin
saw McCann, and at once recognised him, although he had
not seen hint as far is he knew since he (McCann) left the
regiment. MeCann also recognised wltneet. The defendant
was certeinly not Roger henbane.
Colonel Betty, who maned the Carablneers In July 1862,

at Canterbury, al o said that the defendant was decidedly not
Roger Charles Tichborne.
Major I horn. Bolt, who wee formerly major In the Care•
blneers, and he was on Intimate terms with Roger, and had
a perfect recoil •ction of him. Roger was very popular, and
they used to ploy tricks with him. (Laughter.) Lie tot
them good-naturedly. The witness said that one of the
tt lets was that, not liking Roger having quarters away at the
barrack sates at Portobello, they broke his windows, and
when he put up a wire grating they Wei to throw pennies
through (Laughter)
Is he Roger Charles Tichhornef—l take my oath he is not
I am quite prepared to swear Roger bad not the peculiarity
of tuumb the defendant has.
_ . _ _ ,

Captain Polhill Turner, I reside near Bedford. l was
nine and a half year' In the Carabineers from 1813 till 1851.
I wits at Portobello when Roger Joined the regune 4 I was
captain to the A Troop. It is an invention of the defend-
ant that he wedged me on one occasion with the word f
command. The pencil sketch produced of Roger is by me„
Taken from hfet—No.
Witness: I have sketched many officers. It gives 11.,grat's
noire exactly. On receiving a letter from the defends tln
1887, I sent him an trivitition to come and visit me He
replied accepting the invitation, and added he was mob
stouter than wh.n he was in the C.arabineers. Instead t
coming he sent • telegram stating he had to go into Hemp-
shire to see Important wituesaek

The Court then adjourned.