The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-03-08 00:00:00

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works would be considerable, and the toll a mete baga-
telle. No cue would; think, of using the south stage
gratuitously 'When the .riewvorks hereafter is he erected
were, aiiipleted,-eiren thotigli--astoll * air d be levied for
the use of Them. , , , . ,
, :Aldernidit b0136d the werild opPor4
by the Corporation until .their Trainnere property Was
fairly dealt with by it.
Mr. Pic roN'said the dock chairman had not answered
the question put to hitn. The tolls were to be levied for
accommodation to be provided on 'both -sides of the-
*Ater.; and. it inbatiltauts ckf,tirierpool were satisfied
that if,,A ge.rirtl illan pressing Od 'rivet had to pay id fur
lumself aild ;id for his Carpet tiag—(eries df:"N_O")-4-1t,
Might be a matter with which they had.nothing to do,
but still the public should knoW -whet, was prepoged to
be done. ge hoped the committee wood look well after
the, and concluded by asking whether the sebedule
bi affizted to the bill ssas littpdeled to be-eonfireied;
Mr. CuantiEs T t'7r,.en: said the schedule Weald be
continued in the -bill ; but it would hat apply to
.pas-
sehger4; Or paiscrigers' ltiggage. either. When the first
stage was built, the traffic over the Mersey by the pas,.
senger-boats bore `no comparison with what it was now;,
and numerous
,representaticalS had been 'made tb, the
Dock Board that there was very neat clOger,tri fife 41111
eansed by lidrseS, Catale,carriates, atidploixrels being
sent down, the bridges to the hots. The time lidd
arrived when-it had bec6me absolutely necessary that
'some regalation should' be" made in refetenCe" to the,
passage of large barreli• and heavy luggage across the
south stage, having.. a .refereneeto•the eptetY of; life and
Unit~Tne CotiricAl, 14otild 14earrirt nib/di:that it ;was
absolutely 'With the-gfowth of Cheshire, that
the south stage could be allowed to be used for the
carriage of horses, &c.; and it should be remembered,
besides, that at the'presCnt time the board had power to
regulate the traffic-of that stage,
ts tartibt„ Wee, not of opigion that, the town
'Of -liiv.OPilS3lahacl iidtpirti; 4.10 :Ivo the apphiathes.
lie thought the Cotpdrittion ought to contrietite inree,
thing towards the improvement of the approaches.. IN'
would like 'to see some scheme brought. for Ward to
which the Dock Board and the Corporation could con-
tribute in an: honourable manner.'
Mr. MOZLEY called attention to the 'arriount'of toll to
helevled, and said that .every shilling levied upon the
Mae 'ail sheep Coming coast*isci and tatideu at the-
norkli 410; *mild. fail Upon the townd jh the Mid,
, ?sir. ,Calorj,EseTOstn. said there was dot auk clddrge
ie be levied upon animals coining coastwise. The tolls'
only referred to the ferry traffic over the river. --
Mr. STITT, wanted to know whether the people' of
Liverpool,' when the new. works were completed, would
have the oPtion of using the facilities they now enjoyed.
If. net, the people would be placed in a disadVaritaaeOtte,
Atr,:l.PeaN was not surprised ,at .misapprehension
existing,„ Lou- , bill was :drawn ,withsa much wider
scope thin, there . WaS any intention of the nick Board
to carry out. He 'would state the viers of the DOA
3odisd on the subject. In reference to the north Stake;
it could not be used for any purpoSe,whatever.exeept for
steamers. The ferry proprietors had no right
to use that stage at all., f 'The board had _resolved that
for all the sea-going steamers,-- notwithstanding the
increased accommodation that would be given, the Stage'
should be as free hereafter; as it was now: The bridges
at present hate auiftelinatiOn of one in five, Which pre-
vented lieavy traffic passing over theist. eiCept a little
time I;efOre And after high wetee. ' The inclination
intended fot the future fs cnie tsVerity, so that at nil
states of the tide the stage could, be used.. , With
reference to passengers and their luggage, the board had
resolved that the stage should be as'froe Under the bill
as it is at the present motneht ; indeed, there was not the
slightest intention'of making any charge whatever. The
power contained in the bill was,that the tells should la&
taken for the purpose of the traffic, between Liverpok
and Birkenhead. 'lf the Birkenhead traffic came to the
south stage no toll upon }t'could be levied.
The ToWX-dill.said that was ed.
Mr..Tour:sr. went on to observe that it was far-from
the wish of the Dock ,Board that there should be any
toll whatever, but on the advice of counsel the schedule
'had Been retained with a view to arrangements with the
terry proprietors.
Mr: Picrolsr said the tolls could be levied on both sides
of the. water. • .
Mr. TURNER said, with the consent of the steamship
owners a portion of the stage was .to be set apart for
feriy traffic, add the tolls *mild apply to that part and
to no other: . •
• Mr. Smisfsites said the approadhes might td im-
proved, and the Corporation should contribute a fair
portion of the expenses, so as to keep free the traffic,
The MAYOR said the Finance Committee were watch-
sihg, the bill, and. would, no doubt, bear -in mind the
opinions that had:been expressed. _
e Mr. lEFFERY said, it' the Dock Boaid would withdraw
the present bill, and allow a negotiatiOn to be opened up,
and to which. Mr. Earle had referred, to embrace the
whole of the approaches- to the, landing-stages, no doubt
the Corporation would meet the Dock Board in a fair
and liberal spirit upon such a question.
Mr.' TunNzu. said the Dock Board did -not come there
to ask any favour of the Corporation.;', They considered
that by, the works. proposed they were conferring a
favour` on the tthtin. The hoard 'kited do fatotir, and
they would be Very Much surprised alit astonished, or
at any rnte...rieted, to finch that which they believed was
a favour conferred ou the town was viewed as a favour
conferred upwr themselves. •
Mr. Alderman SieW,Stre replied, add id doing so
said the committee had taketi steps to procure a 'midi&
cation of some of the clauses.
Thoproceedings,of the committee were then confirmed,
WAWA COMAIITI'LE.
Tae proceedings of the Watch, Lighting, Fire Police,
Fire Prevention, .Hackney Carriage, Licensing, and
Gas Committees, comprised a recommendation (jointly
with ,the; Health, and; Water Committees) .to appoint
Mr. William I. Crosby chief clerk in Mr. White's.
department, in the place of Mr. Hardisty, resigned, at
the salary of £2lO per annum, being the same as
heretofore paid. 1. I ;1.
Mr. CLINT, in moving- the confirmation ot ihe pro-
ceedings, called attention to the flick, that the committee
were now considering- a code of byo-laws fpr the regula-
tion of omnibuses, owing to the numerous complaints
which had been made,as to irregularities.
Mr. .JOirssoN seconded the confirmation of the pro-
ceedings.
.Mr. GLADSTONE suggested that the omnibus con-
ductors should be compelled to draw up on their own
side of the road, and set clOwn their passengers like any
othervehicle. (Hear. hear.)
Mr. STITT said that the memorial of Messrs. Busby
as to laying down tramways for the fmnibnies, was now
under the consideratiou of a joint committee of the
Watch and Health Committees ; and he supposed the
Watch Cemmitteelvosild,net come to any definite deci-
sion onjthe regulations tintil the matter was reported
upon-
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Latteys from Messrs. Busby and Messrs. Train were
read;urging the importance of the esfablishMent of
tramways in the streets ; and advising. thakthe Croucil
sFould get clause inserted in the itigliivay Bill for the
purpose of carrying out the project. The Town-clerk,
on the motion of Alderman Woodruff, was directed to
carry out the suggestion ; the letters were referred to
the joiat,conuulttae; and the general .proceedings,-were
confirmed. - •

HEALTH COMMITTEE.

The proceedings of the Health Committee, com-
prised—Bye-laws for the better regulation; of common
lodging-houses ; and plans of •the. new: public offices
in Dale-street, prepared by the borough engineer, in
acOordinee with the directions of the Council.

Mr.
SnIIL moved the confirmation of,th.e proceedings.
He said the bye-laws in reference to commJn lodging-
houses would be POstponed till the first meeting in April.
TIM bye-laws under the Local Government Act would
also be deferred until, then, and he hoped the opposition
against them would disappear in the meantime,- as the
committee were anxious to make any necessary modifi-
cations in them. With respect to the plans for the new
Public-offices, they were brought before the Council, not
at presont,for their approval, but that they might have
an opportunity of inspecting, them. The estimates of
the Borough Engineer wouldhe subinitted to the Ceuhcil
next month,- when the whole subject would' be before
them. Heyme9d the confirmation of the`proceedings.
- Mr. BowaiNg seconded the motion. .
Mr. C. TURNER said the, committee were instructed
to bring plans, with estimates. The plans were befdre
them, but the estimates were , not ; and they were asked
to .consider the plans without the estimates. He did not
,think that was the-way which, as men of business, they
should proceed, because if the, plans, involved an expen-
diture whichrtlitY would not'be willing to encounter, it
would
be no use to:consider the plans. He thought this -
subject ought to stand over till May, in order that they
might have a "mouth's time to consider the plans and
estimates tog ,hex.
Alderman BENirirrr went into several details of the
plans, and movek,7that they be referred back to the
borough engineer, with. a; view to alter* the building
so as to bring its-frontage into the proposed, new street
from John-ttreee to Manchester-street. '

Alderman STEWART said that the question was one of
a most serious kind. Me proposer' building, ha under-
stood, was to occupy 8,000 yards of land, and he there-
fore bad, no hesitation to say ,that the expense for the
edifice alone would be considerably • above £lOO,OOO.
,Then, there was the cost of the land; and would the
Council approach an expenditure of 4200,000, witii
Town-hall already in existence, for which there would
be no use. • .

Mr. STITT contended that the general subject had been
discussed again and again, and majorities bad'agreed
that the new Public-offices should be erected.
Mr. PicroN moved as an instruction to the committee
that the Health Committee should make the'Tollowing
returns to the Council at the next meeting :—First,
the.cost of, the land and buildings (taken nnder,theJtn-
prb4enient'Act) between Dale-street 'and Whitecbitpel,,
to the present time, with the area of the land, Secondly,
the quantity of land to be appropriated to the new
public-offices ; and, thirdly, the quantity of land which
can be offered for sale. He thought it possible that the
opinion, of the Council might have changed on this
matter, fer,,it must be remembered that the very
,g.en-
tlemen who were now, anxious for the erection of the
,new, offices in Dale-street, were a few years ago firmly
impressed with the conviction that no place could be
better for the purpose than Cornwallis-street. -
' Mr. C. TURNER seconded the amendment.
Alderman PARKER -characterised the sehe,sne as exor-
bitant and extravagant, and held that it would even-
tually entail a rate ot eighteennence upon the inhabitants.
Mr. JEFFERY contended that the sithiect had been
well considered by the Council, and a division:was come
to only. last' October, in' which the Cowden tontitmed
the advisability of the erection of public offices in D.tle-
street. lie thought the committee had acted wisely in
bringing the plans before them as soon as possible,
because any delay would necessarily involve an additional
expense. then, again, the Town-clerk was of opinion •
that the concentration of the 'offices in one ,building
would result in a saving of about.£6,ooo a-year. .
Alderman WOODRUFF said he had before suggested
that if they gave up the ball-rooms and dining-rooms
in the Town-hall, they would be able to concentrate all
the public departments in the present Town-hall.
-After some further discussion, . Mr. Sheil briefly
replied', 'the proceedings were' cenfirmed, the instruction
moved by 'Mr. Picton was adopted, land the plane
were deferred until the estimates should be pro-
duced at the-next meeting of the Council.
It was also :decided that the plans should lie
for publio inspection in the Town-hall until the next
meeting of the Council. Mr. J. Steel was appointed a
member of the committee, in' the place of Mr. Gladstone,
who had resigried:• i V. I
ST. GEORGE'S-HALL COMMITTEE.
The prOceedingS of the' Courts of Law and St'Oborges-
hall Committee compriSed'it 'recommendation for the
fitting up of the.kitchen and. sculleries .at St: George'S- ,
hall with the veceasary,applintus for cooking.
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