The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1861-05-07 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS. -WEDNESDAY.

On the order for going into committee on the
)(too, ere of Debts Bill, tiymed by Mr. flAgkieron,
Mr. Mil shoo ohjeuted to the Ball, audit was uncallyd
for. sn.l thst it 'mho isd a principle tiew to our
lygislation ; and be move I to defyr the committee for
three months.
Mr, Hodukinron. in reply, stated the reasons for
introducing the inessure, am( tlsi 'Yin it was designed to
remedy.
Mr. Mellor °Knead the Bill, cousidering fit a
dungeon*s innovstion upon the principles of our law.
After sane discussion, in the courle of wl.lb Mr.
Boothe-1k and Mr. Collier olijected that such a measure
should I.e proposed on the rsepossihility of the Gwyn'.
meet, the amendiatrot was carrted by 121 to 73, so the
Bill is lost.
The Constructive Notice Amendment Bill, sent from
the Lords, was referred to • Wool. committee.

lIRLIGIOUS WORSHIP 11:LL.—DIVIIAT OF THI 111,4111URIL
Mr. L. Ming, in moviug the woond railing of the
Relogions Worship Bill, explained the state of the 1.. w
which s It propelled to ameod whereby no clergyman can
legally enter the iorigh of another colorer/man end
perform Divine service there nithout the iwrionseion of
the incumbent. and the incoeveniences attending this
prohibition, which, he remarked, war, ite many nudeness
partially disempthled.
Mr. B. Estonurt observed that. although the pre-
amble of the Bill purported that it. ObilliCe Wei to Klee
incnnsed futilities for the performative of Divine
service, it. meaning was to enable the Archhithrope sad
Bishop.' to grant licenses to clergymen od Um Church
iiiVaogland to perform Divine service in any !arid'
without the forwent of the ioeunthent ; in other words,
to place • rival mel oomiotitur In every panah.in drilanee
of the iimumbent. He hoped the Howe would not
pigis a Bill so meagre mid untruenied, the professed
object of which could he attained by other mean., and
he moved to defer ti e meow 4 reading for six moth.
Sir. G. Lewis paid ths law required the comma of
the incumbent and the license of the Bishop. and if
the object of the Bill was merely to diatoms with the
former, he was prepared to give his vote for the second
reading.
Lord .1. Manners insisted that the rights of the nom'
chial clergy would be invited by the Sell, which would
moction Irritating intrustom sad destr.oy the vitality of
the egisi ins parochial system.
Mr. Bala supported the Kill, which, he • said, w00d.%
do away with lordship,. and grievance* in may locali
Hlwill"' tulBl7 to the Ertablidmil Church.
r. °poem' should vote for the ',scowl reeding of
the Bill. believing thst it ight is, altered In souimittre
ro to to confer a great benellt upon the Established
Marsh.
0. Hardy caned attention to the terms of the
8011, which authorised soy clergyman licessed loy
Archbishop to go sea nowirtx pr,earher into •toy 'mirth
fp the prowinct, and officiate there without the emenne
of the int-umbel. Ti.. 801 l went far he' enev-
wine that could los really felt, and inset inevitelty lead
to (ordain innovation's.
Mr. Huston defended the 80, the object of
which, he mid, was to benefit the Church of Eotland,
eat its effect +mild be to diminish strife and allay ill-
Mr. Newdegate opposed the Bill, which was, in his
opitrion, ekious in principle and fraught with deugerotts
consequenes,.
Mr. Arles. as the framer of the Bib geld its real
"Neat wes to emooeipete the laity of the Edahlobe
Coureb from the despotism of • certain tam er
driving'', who Wrill at I,herty now to do as they
pleased, and nut to tuterfeie with the parochial
system.
Sir W. Heathen,e pressed upon the attention of Sir
G. Lewis that every one of the modithaitiocei suggested
by him In tie Bill. and neon whhh b hail justified his
vote for the second reading, bad bgeu dimlatoled by the
(moor of it.
Mr. Florian supported the Bill in the tutored.' of
the bdtv.
Mr. L. King. in his reply. saignilied his readiness to
&dolt the suggestions of nor G. Lewis.
Upon a division the erosodusent was carried by 191
to 145; pa the Kil ie lost.
On the order for the se nod reading of the Present-
ment &odors Ireland) Bill, moved by Mr. Batt,
Mr. Longfirla moved the livelong ouestiou.
Mr. lbows n aecondel this motion.
Upon a division. tbe previous question wee carried in
the naiptiore • an the yerstion of the socoml reading of
the Bill wee Lot pet.
The remeining °niers having been disposed of the
Mouse adjourned alb o'clock.

TFIURSDAT.
Tilt TA na PUT! U.

On the order for going into • Committee of Ways
and Ilitons,
Mr. Hubbard contended that. upon aafe principle. of
Enlace. ere hi should not he Wien for the China in
detuity of tiao.ooo Tbe sicken...a of Ibis sum from
the estimated revenue for the current year wont,' re-
duce the eetlinatsd surplus iii £1,923.1100 to 1073,000.
He west over *owe of the eeleel.tiona .4th. Chastoellor
(4th. Eschewar is is anoneisi statement. observing
that the Be lot met a praetor* reminder' of taxation by
prohleamothul receipt of incline, tea that. in Ws
mounws, it involved serious mistakes, 'kids would in-
/wines lb. 1111111011 of future years. He coneheled by
moviog..as sit amendineet, the following resolution :
" TWO It b out expedient to remit taxation to such an
tr that I.h:umlaut.] cdnos of the renswittediatasos
eNd the
f.ar Pig elsbrorfaitsatud'34l-":".'
The Cinancellor of the Exchequer mid the resolution
Naito I the House to reeene the principle of ADMAN
which it bol been be practise to adopt— namely. to re-
141.1 isnation bOyoDd the avitainated surplus, ao.l in
sone imitsbees tbe remisaioa had been much greater sad
awe veataresouse than in lb* sre.sel amis.
#ibse a Mir woe boo lir.

Mr. leisracti recommended Kr. Hubbard not to pros;
Ida amendaarnt.
rat, rca UOI w n.igran-d. ant lb.Hon.° or,.t
into COII.III. &CaufW MV•11... brit
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Tay Chatterl'ur a the litehi quer moved a resolution
to continue until the 1.1 of July, 1864 certain duties
on tea. auger, •nsl other article* of the stale elate at
sugar, which, he observed, were callol lop ilariy,
though not acsurately. war duties, as they ha In.. II
itu.ceeditt tone of peatait. 'fhere case, lie
remarked, two quevtionit--the absolute merits of the
tea duty, anil e.latium to remi..ion in co iipan.on
with thitee of the paper &ties. He rei este.' that, in
ressii..ion of duty *ince 11318, the object in vi' tool
teen le.. the benefit of the consumer then the stholiii
.1 proteutton on I the liberation of tr die. Ad towing
to the mutton lit which Ur. hs,l given notice,
to reduce the duty on tea sifter the 14 of Octoler twit
per lb., he showed the ilestruiti.e ri ct it would
lisie utiou tint aiirnlus Isv the loisa of £llso,Ulltd, awl, by
example., the influence of diitica, iii p .rely.
zing the revenue and diminishing consumption, ti e con,
sinner having to wait long lad ..re he di rived benefit
(non the remission. tle admitted that the reduction
depirallio. hut he ridiculed whet lie termed tie
ads ird and infidel representations as to the effects of
the change. He then diacuseet the relative merit. of
Ilse I reposed redaction compered with the repeel of the
toper duties. Ifs arjnel that the reinimion of duties
nou-recupervtive Will 4 in perfect 11A-twiny with the
vieva of the lath Sir Robert Peel, who desired to aug-
ment the teams of employing 1 ,bour. The reduction of
the duty on tea would. Co iloitht, give on impulse to
labour, hut it would be foreign labour, that of the
(.1 , i ~,,,, ; alp r. tlik. 1:1..4.1,..1 ..f the pater duties
would ethuld de B. iti,.), !don- ii, the inumfeiture of
paper and the produce of agricultural fibre. while the
removal of the Excise es-gelationo would relieve the
trade from restrictions that operated as a chock upon
it by stinting and repressing enterprise.
3lr. (foretell Kahl the ilite-ition raise I by his amend-
' meet was this—would the House re-impose the duty of
' Is. 5.1. on two to enable it to remit the duty on paper.
or reduce the tea duty to la., retaining the paper duty.
The House, he observed, hail pledged itself to reduce
the tot duty to Is. hang before sue pie ig wee given in
reused to the paper duty, and a Co. 'Oct. had recom-
mended • Wail lerable reduction of the slaty. He con-
troverted the statements of Mr. Gladstone as to the
effects of the reduction he i.ruposed, ni.iutaining that
there was an ample margin for it, ...Rotting the est.-
mated surplus, and that the inerevwd nonsuiaption
would mike N. the lose of revenue in three or four
years. In every large town in Boehm] he believed it
.01114 be said by nine out of ten, if not by uni,-ty•nine
out of • hundred, " Give u• the duty off tee, mud not
off paper." Ho moved to amend the resolution by re'
during the duty on tea on and after the teL of Oetober
to ls. per lb.
The Yenguie of disrtington supported the original
resolution. Hi. linfallloaDt Caaniderntlotl wa., he said,
that the House had last sear peewit a Bill to repeal the
peter duties. By adopting the linolitst an it Mall, all
trace of the di.ah reement between the two Houses
would he swept •is ay.
Mr. Hennessy stolid (stab; at i-h showed that the
piper trade in Ireland, instead f b -big vs
d al amiljtloll, was in a most Miura-ling trade.
II" w .4 an iolvocete of a retest of the duty at
the tno er time ; but lie claimed • preference for the
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tea. awl 'should vote for the ;mend...ant.
Mr. Paget munnorted the molution. The paper
doties, be void. operated as a tax u on other trades, by
eilliancing the coat of pnitbonnl and cardboard, and ha
tinted other remains in (..our of thyil renio‘al.
Lord Holinewlitle sai.l it w.b Calift he sincerely be-
lieved that the working obi.. would be more tome-
6tted by the taking off • portiqn .4 tile duty on tea
than be the resniodon of the paper duties that he should
cote for tile amendiuent.

Mr..Nurris ohiver.ed that the paper duties fell heavily
liven the cost of the wrappers ISO liackMir-csaes used
by manufacturem. and that their remiraion would he a
real relief. wherein, the proposed reducti tttt the tea
duty would afford only a visionary and inappreciable
benefit.

B.r S. Nktrthoote said Ills question had been argued
Its if we were in pooleotion of a attrition; but he unit.
tended that • morphs moat he made. The Chancellor
of the Et.klosikier pmptaked ts. Ida WI 01le tall in order to
take off another; the re-olution reimposed the stnr
talks on tea and sugar. Ow ceetsti-n of wlkkoh Parlia-
ment had decreed, thereby dickplekinting the espetta-
toma of oonau.ikers •tf tea for the b. oat of • iitrticulnr
interest. Ti- argument that the reiliketko.i of 51. l-er
lb. in the duty upuu tea would not reach the oinkouner
o 4,1 11 most eatraorlioary one fro ki the lips of the
Chaneellor of tlie Etc:hooter, time it an. at enrinekte
ii ill. hi- retarded opinion. Good faith. be eonteinhtd.
deniaukled the .okluctlon of these duds, P..rlieturnt wax

ilidoictly pledge i to the working cleave* to reduce them.
and the anew prole:wed by the Govenonetit, instead of
wiping ont the memory of the controvervy with the
iddlor Honer, *mold revive the recollection id it. In
li. owing the qitection as to the choice uf elute.,, to be
renalt..ll upon hi groin Is, he ex ins Med and
replied to the arguments of the Chancellor of the
Eachcouer. Insiating that there never watt a litter
time for dit ~ i,, ishing the duty on kis, pro Ping
by the opiortnnitv now offered of eiders ng our trade
with China. The red prelimitia.ry question, he said, in
conclusion, was whether thee* war duties should or
alitinlil not he repeal. d.

Sr G. 1•w• 05, rred th.t Sr S. Northcole bad
argued that the surplus win ideal hormone the Chat,
oellor of the Exclieoner propootal to renew Bnt
1i,., beam of hi. c4..ulations 1•11.4 that existing tale.
were to lee omit Meal, and theme resulted a +dupl..* of
nearly r 2.000.0110. The .obareb logic of S. Northoote
was thu. at twee got rot of. Thr ouettion. then wos.f
how the sundus ahould he • plied to the reuin.ion o
taxation. o.orrrottitent Iy,l been avowed of allowing
undue favour to indirect taxation ; cud it would have
been ionre reaoonalde, he thought. for the other side,
and more in acoonlaine with their principle., to
propose a further reduction of the inowm,ton than
their new-fanglrd policy. The Chorerninen,. he argued.
were not aho..lutely 'ledge.' to rrdooe the duty on
tea ; it was op u to them to retain the duty of la. sd. for
another aver.
lir. after remarking that he never heard a
.plestiou out more fairly sod comidetely before the
House than iii the speoch of Sr S. Northoute, attacked
the doctrine propounded by the Chancellor of the
Exchequer. who hal, he pant, suddenly reverted to the
old original opiniona which he had advocated ii, that side
.1 the House, arguing. an he did, that the roduntion lif
ditties did not basal consumer.. He remits led Mr.

filadstoue of the fiery language in which. in 18.17, lie
demon led the rv!nit'on of the te duty. and the I
not ind.web— ler which he enforced the ,dilligat'on of
aholishing these war dulls*, on the ground of Ile lava
given. and 1i.... it eau '• hop inane to the liolit'ea'
matitutimis of the count/ ." Toni we.. hu (Mr. Dp.raell'a)
answer to the opinimiu which the Chancellor of the
Es.hielurr had delivered that might., at vuriunoe with
the policy lie had of lute promoted. The view of the
timer tiou had bun represented MI iiew.fcnlui; but 110
that they were in unison with the policy
they lead pursued in relstioti to threw war du11,,. when
in power. If there woe Li, hew remivaion of taxation, it
was the duty of the Munro to con 4.ler well whether
they would forego agr otopi oluility .oripoeting Lod
stimulating the cominete e of the country, Or take
°ours) which, at be 4, aould attaiu istty results rod not
further any imperial interest.
Lord Palmerston comp Lined that Mr. Daniell had
huh niewri• to • mode of &twit that anytime, I if

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personality. surplus. he obaurved, •aa now
and he fl.at oonahltreal the argument); in
favour of a Weil. OR of the tea duty. Thin duty waa
itot high ; it was nun. h I..wer than litany former iono I;
the twits of the article hal fallen 1311.1111 i r.blv ; the
oons ..... ption had hiciesee.l, anti the supply was
ausatentins. Os these this wits not see
of such urivinev as to lead tits Houma to select tea
in preference to every other article. 0.. the other
hand, the Etches duty on paper WM Opprei.i VI! to the
trade ; resolutions lit! been wlup_ted ainiletuning the
dusty. • Bill had passed that Howe abolial.ing it,
awl they hat now an opportunity of mottling, with the
einiment of the other HOLI•11. iptemitiou which, if
left unsettled, 'night lie p.-oductive of &donnas.
between din two Hoarse hereafter.
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The Committee having Jirided, the amlnduscnt was
newly& by 289 to L.
The reeo:istiou was then agreed to.
l'he remaining h00t5.... harm( hoes disposied 01, the
House aJjoarue4 at half-past 1 o'clock.