The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-10-11 00:00:00

The court adjourned shortly before four o'clock.

At the sitting of the Court on WedneLbey morning, Mr.
PINGLET, formerly a resident in Santiago. was crosa-ex.mined
by Mr. Hawkins. Ile said : I saw Mr. Roger T chborne at
Santiago in 1849 and again in 18154. The ,71fi1i daguerreotype
Ii not, In my ju(gment, a fair likeness of him. I should not
have recognised it as the same loolvidual. It has Lot his ex-
preesion or general cast of countenance. Ido not remem-
ber a single feature tel detail so as to describe it. Ile wore •
hat like the one in the portrait. Me ha— was dark, hot Ido
not recollect whether it was long or she rt or curl). I do not
remember fr,m my own observation whether he wore any
moustache or not. I never spoke to tin in C it. I have
seen him speak to Mr. Hebb), who eat t dished himself as a
daguerreotypist in Santiago between Mr. Itch borne's first and
last visit. I understood he was doing very well before I left,
and was considered a successful artt t Oo the Drat visit I
dined with him at the table (Mlle. 00 the second visit I °My
saw Mr. Tichborhe naming and reps.• sing in t:.e corridors of
the hotel, and in the street I had my own private apart
meets and did not at that time dine at the table nine.
Mr. Sheriff was sent out by Messrs. Raring to engrave dies
for the Chilian government Mr. Ksrg, another person whom
the defendant said he knew, wee not a professional linguist,
hut had come from Mexico to live in retirement at Santiago.
Mr. Appleby had • farm within test m le. of Santiago, and
was celebrated for his breed of horses. The defendant
mentioned hie name, but did not refer to the bores. I be-
lieve the defeodant said that the Cathedral was at the '
bottom of the great square at Santiago. It is what would
be called the lower side. I did not teat him as to his remem-
brance of other place. in the square
To Mr. Justice Mellor The population of Santiago wait
then between 100(00 and 120,000.

Crolis•examination continued I have on several occasions
seen Santiago deecribed In books. I have seen engravings of
the Plaza and other places in the city t book.. Ido not
know when the last account of Santiago was published.
Mr. Hawking read several pelstges from Knight'. Ency-
clopedia describing the great square, the dismantled fort
called San Lucia, the Alameda, the other principal Wanes In
the city which the defendant had mentioned at the imt trial,
and the witnees said they were correct.
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Crose•examinstion continued : In June, 1988, after my In
tervlew with the defendaiit, Mr. Holmes sent me n number
of affidavit% and, at Ms request, I wrote a Ittter to the
British Vice-Conon' and others I knew at Santiago respecting
the defendant's case.

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The conwepondenoe between the witness and Mr. Holmes
wee read by Mr. Hawkine. It appeared that the witness
forwarded coptm of the affidavits and of the Castro cwre-
spondence to his fiends In COIL He said he bad never been
In Mellen's, but he had known people who had large edam
In that district. In one letter he told Mr Holmes that he
would feel great pleasure in sending to his nephew, • clergy-
man, near Southampton, the thirty-nine affidavits and the
further Castro correspondence, with te view of disabusing
the minds and turning the carrent of opinion of influential
persons in the neighbourhood of Southampton, among whom
errnnenns ideas prevailed respecting Roger Fichborne's case,
He received the documents and forwarded them. He also
received from Mr. Holmes a letter stating that Sir Roger
had arrtved at Itio Janeiro on hie way to attend the Chill
Commission, In good health and spirits, and had dined with
the !SIAM Minister in that city.
In re-examination he said that a Chili dagnerreotype only
resembled Roger In the hat which the person wore.
(Laughter )

WILLIAM CLINE, • sailor, who WWI on board the John Bibby,
Captain Oates, when the vessel was at Rio Janeiro in April,
1854, was nest essznined. He said he was thou acting as
steward of the ship. Toe Belkt, Captain 13Irkett, WAS lying
alongside at the Hine Saw a young E.•i Rahman no that
r,c talon. He was on board the John Bibby with Captain
hirkett and Captain Oates. He used to he very free in t.dsling
'ice in company with the two oar-tine to the John Bibby
Had also seen him take some bottled ale tin et emeil
to boa little fresh afterwards—nut intoxicated, but a little
marry. Saw him four or five times drinklug in that way.
Hal a good recollection of him. Took particular notice of
him The wttneia then dem:tined his appearance, which was
nearly • rrpatitioo of evidence already frequently given, and
laid lie spoke with • French accent. He saw tim in court,
lbs letendsot was the some person, only ho hay g 1 '' won-
derful stout."

Croup examined : A fortnlat age first saw the defendant
walking from Poets', orner to the south. He went there from
reading the case In the paper. Mr. Tlcb borne would know
well the names of 0,85 and Blrkett. He lunched on board
several time,. The Beitz sailed before Me John Bthby Me.
rlctiberne came no ooard the latter shlo, on the mining
of the day the Bella sailed. He remained n board three
or four h .urs each time. In the West Indies reed
Captain (Wee's evidence, en! that him come forw.ad.
It did u t norl rise him that he wall oot asked a question about
these e ails, blurry wine and b.,tt eel Le, was all he
I tru”o. lt.eog.t. 0 he defendant by the upver part .4 his
face a.•d walk. His .anantenance lead not felt him. Roger
To:, borne 6.d • ,:u4 the, Lee and a tulle,* complexion.
The netenchent's complexion VMS brow, cr. Ha had • ttiu
hod). .

--1/ :;you thing you should krinu, a picture of him? -r am a
very Poor judiv of likenesses. Saw a ptoto,rapti of blot at
P ,gcs collar, a 1 I ecomnsa I IL
Shown tn. Celli likeness, he salt It resemb!ed linger
r:ceborne.

Re ex •ffileed, herald he read CeptiOt ters'e evidence In
en Englee pe S. Vi n. f, Cr tn
.0 Lra Welt JuaCce : The Wei tl. Itt g r Tlchbeene
c•t•I n b., -I. lit +lairs 1:04,4i RI - tittle:), on
th! I e the heill saileo-Ims whole t. re were rather
II p 1 they hail spa.nt eitu Wht,l,l eught on
Alert

WILLIAM E BE, SON, feVlllOll, Of to CaNkbineer., 88i I he
rem-ot er .1 I . ,Mberhe at ti it-fandsot wet the
,Ca.,, 8 4 •S 113 f. al t r g tat ttith the
tulle t u ftl^ hawing 1 ot • o ~Itrt t tem
34W • at arltt el 0A a .r.„ it oauslta their
,1 d. The tfil ors a roe would lame.
tt •eI a. La h Ott cr. 1 ty 118 8.3 Lave tante
etott, i. Jlb,..a' In 00,31111 raU,t t, tte '‘w,w. Had
ste . eat, re Itic c ia• Fut never
•IWUrib.. kir w the duet ,jtlieat the
k .I,t b, , a Ue I tem. 'I. a lateee,
Ja.l at it., t Lot laming the Cara-
t!, e t tett- I , th,

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C.- , . it, defendant at Colchester
Mei r e , .titleaaaa • $ Jlng to see
him, Cr t la,t soy 1,10 w s. 1104
berme • . at:a Was sok,. :el to Lave
been 1.“ o iO, Leo, ,turiktd L Seloa Lae 1.4 kid
that be had previously bad a conversation it the caution
with Marks about Mr. Tichborns. Might aLso hare said that
they agreed he spoke more like • Frenchman than an ling.
/Lohman. The defendant spoke withe French accent at Col-
dwater, but It was not ea oog as Wore.

I and
War
wore
Ho •

To the Lord Met Jaeitee : I don't
or whom I saw playltg it dftlea.

BMOLIon WSW), • hoot sod shoemaker in the Oateden- ,I
road, mad to 1857 he was in Amite/le. and COMO back in '
1868. In the coloey be oh:shied his living by gokidigshig
At the latter end or 1859 was Me place coiled Myrtle Ford,
and knew there Arthur Often, • stock-rider, who wee in
the employ of Hr. Johneoa principally. Johnson had two
etetions—Marrisag and Hurdle Cree ceesmi, comgheriou
was light amber, or • ringer, whichever they liked,
(Laughter) file hair was a shade darter than Ms ohiskers
and mettstache, which were ginger. We used to wear a only-
goat's heard, like. whi•rewsahed Yankee. (Laughter) lie
was • square-built sort of a man, and not fan He was bony,
nd carried no superfluous flesh about hl m lie was • inns-
In. lie had • blotchy, rough skin His chinks
e sunken sad his cheek-bone. roof prominent.
woe • very active man. gem hint Ores pick up • six-
pence without gating oft his hone while he was in
full OM* (Laughter.) Orton bet • sovereign be
would do the trick, and he generally did it the third
time. The last time he saw Orton wig In February, 1861,
on McCarthy's station, near Hurdle Ford. He used to me
Orton at and on from 1859 until thou, but sometimes lint
sight of blur tor ex mouths. Hoeing stated that be bad had
c nversations with Orion. Mr. lienealy said he was afraid he
could nil ask him what mewed. The whams replied," I have
a great deal to toll shoat this. I had • mate murdered, and
a certain party we, inspected."
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To the Lord Chiel J as I ce : The mail intirdered was called
Ballarat Harry. He wee not a partner of mine, but be lived
In the same place with me He was a fellow digger. He was
murdered three or four months previous to the 4th of Feb-
ruary, 1863, I bed seen him isat three or four years before
then. He was murdered somewhere between Castlemaine
and Bendigo.
Mr. Keuealy : Is that (pointing talkie defendant) the
Arthur Orton you know in Australia I—No.
Ls he in any way Ilk. him ?—No; he is not one atom !Ike
him. I wish he was here: I would pick him out of 40,000.
Cronsexamined by Mr Hawking ; Orton had nothing i*r-
tl about him. Ballarat Harry wise not a particular
1.1.011 of cane I 401;11o:tow whether he wore a ring, nor
whether the man who murdered him took the ring. Having
been sakad several questions as to his occupation before
enraging In gold digging, he lead he was nothing at all.
Mr. Hawkins mall, "I will treat you as nothing at all;
and discontinued his cross-examination.

To the Lord Chief Janice : I happen to know Morgan,
who It was tald did the murder. He had Ms head ent at
fie were told that Morgan woe snot with • r Ito-ball.—
Ye.; but he had his head cut off afterwards, nod I hat-
petted to be pasting at the ante.
The Lord Chia? wale's : Had you anything to do with the
shooting of Morgan?

Witnets : No. I saw It done as I was passing. I did not
care to Bre It. It was done at Wansaratts. It waa In ILISS.
No, I have made • grand mistake ; It was In 1t613, just pro.
vlus to my a ming horns.
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The L II Ciller Justice : Take care. We know that a
lettsr e written in llir6 stating that the act had already
ocrlirred, but not stating how long before.
Cues be positive snout the date.
The leird Chief Jostles Who was It that Mot Morgan?
: One of the men on the station. Morgan said he
would serve the Victoria people aa he had served the Sydney
people—he there shut every one right and left. Morgan
came up eepresely to shoot gran. on Buffalo river. Alfred
Smith was a kind of statlon-maeter when I lint knew him,
upon the Ovens river. tam positive Arthur Orton did not
pause Alfred Smith.

The Lord Cider Judie* : Are you Imre that Ballarat Harry
mar ever known to you, and murdered Mter you got to
Australia,

Witneu : Any man who saw Ballarat Harry would know
Mm agaln. He was • great proprietor and • great favourite
amoopt the diggers, and no man would have raiged hie
hand againd him. Every man wag indignant about his
murder.

The Lord Chief justice: Was it known who shot him?
Witness: No , only inspected
The Lord Chief Justice: Who was saspected
WitrlC.ll 0.1012 , and bet. to this day. I, for one, suspect
him. I think Tooke shared the same fate. I never knew
him. Orton had a lazy, lounging walk he was not knock-
kneed I never noticed that he wee an awkward man. I
never saw any twitching of the eye or anything peculiar
about him. . .

By a—j—ury. man : I can't speak to any Scar on the face.
By the Lord Chief Justice Ile mu slightly pitted with
the amaltpot. I can't may if I have leen Castro with him.
By a Juryman Smith was a dark man, about 40 years of
age, with straggling hair. tie was about 81 1. Stri. high.
JAMES BROWN: I live at Shadwell. In early life I was a
sailor. I have been the master of a ship. I was at Rio,
I went tier. in 185 L I knew Mr. Holliconth, Vice-
Consul at Rio. I was in the Brazilian navy in 1.861 and
that gentleman obtained my discharge. Afterward. 1 got am.
ployment there, and in the evenings I amused myself play-
ing billiards at tne hotels. Captain Burkett and Captain
Oates intreduced me to Roger Tichborne at the " Faure"
Hotel on the 13th or 14th April, 1854. lie also drank pretty
heavy. I have heard hire conversing in Spanish. I lived
at the hotel, and my employers provided me with a double-
bedded room, so that If a captain of • ship was benighted
or left on shore I could accommodate him for the night I
accommodated Mr. Tichborne on two different occasions.
Ile was the worse for liquor at the time, and not liking
him to go home through the streets I took him to my
room, there was a small Ito bath in the room about 4*
or 5 feet lone. He bathed both mornings Ile had two marks
on his person, one on the left arm about four or live inches
above the wrist, and the other a brown spot above the
hip towards the back. I did not see any tattoo marks
on his arm. Tee brown mark was like the top of a
walnut. The mark on the arm was oval shape, about an
inch long It is twenty years since I last saw him. !saw
the scar on the defendant's writt last July, at the meet-
ings at Creighton. It resembles the one I saw on Roger at
Rio. The mortdrig the Be/la elated, I went on board to get
a billpaid for goods suppled by ra7 master. I got on board
about a quarter to five in the morning. About five o'cl 'dr
Captain Oates, Captain Burkett, Mr. Tichborne. and Captain
H, stint name on board. Roger wore a brown English shoot-
I g coat and a Glengarry cap. All four were pretty well
drunk when they come on board. R 'ger drank some brandy
when he came on board that morning. Hie usual drink
In Rio was tassel+, Or white ram. He also drank brandy
and wine I took Oates and Boskins athore that morn-
ing In my boat, alter the Custom bottle officer. had cleared
the ship, I saw a barque in Rio called the Ocprey in 1853
She laid there a long time, but I don't know when she
sailed. I war on board el her. I was acquainted with the
captain and the mate. She was an Amen ban reaseL I
bdtrve. from Baltimore. Captain Lawrence was the captain.
and the ...ate sa,nt by the name of L ada. I saw the mate of
the Osprey In Sir liarnurt's Mee one day hut week, the
same man that laser on beard the Osprey in 1853.

Cross examined by Mr. Hawkins: I am now keeping en
etaba-holue opposite Shadwali Station, in Si, George'ala
the-Eut. I have lived there two year.. Before then I was at
sea I was away clue on two years On 4th December, 1888,
lelt M Dwell Dck u chief mate on board the Onrago lame
married man with thre.clzildr,m I did uot take them with me.
They were then Using at Wapplnv. I did not exactly leave them
destitute, but next door to It I seat them money from Car-
diff-42 10s., all the money I had. and half my first month'.
advance I had left Inc them. I sent nothing to them whilst
I was away. I received £9 a month, and I was unable to
crud them any because I got Into trouble in New Orleans,
57 10s. was all they had from me Le the two yean I was
away. I swear that I gave my wife my half-month'•
advance ne te, £4 104 , and I sent 42 10s. from Cardiff I
dou't know the owner's name. The captain's name was
Thorndike. S'e' loaded at Cardiff Ow New Orleans with
railway Iron, I dot,'t know the broker.. I drew my note In
advance /rem the captain In Mr. Peldip's afire. I don't
know the ship . agents, nor where they live. I left Milwall
Dock on the 4th Dacernner. and Cardiff shoot • month •fter.
I was forty-nine days going from Cardiff to New Orleans. I
renAtined there nearly nine month.. I only shipped
for the voyage. I meant to atop at New Orleans
when I left Ragland. The period of my return was
te depend upon circumstance.. I did not mean to
say that I intended to remelts at New Orleans. I meant
that I Intended to atop to return again In the ship. I
could not engage for the voyage out and home became that
wait an American ship, and the article, would net hold good
for the return voyage. She WSA au American ship, owned by
Americana. Sae went to Cronstadt. I was in New Orleans, to
gaol, hen she sailed. I was imprisoned and lost my
wages for assaulting a man on board. I had f tiled
In business before leaving, and I had no money to leave
my wile; and losing my wages in America, I could not
mud any money to my family. I failed In the "Old D "
b -rehouse in Old Gravel lane. My brother In-law keeps
the Half Moon" In Ratcliffe highway, I kept the beer-
thop from August, 1885, to Auust, 1887. In 1888 I failed,
leaving my brewer. £l.-0 in debt. I do not owe them a
penny. I sold the home, and gave them the money. I shut I
the home up because my brewer, would not supp y me with
a good article. There was • loan on the house for £lBO, and I
I sold the house for £4O, subject to the loan, and paid the
money over to them. I then went to tea, leaving my wits
and family behind.

The Court then adjourned.
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