The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-12-05 00:00:00

might get them all into; ,trouble. Witness remarkcil
. that there would be no fear of it being generally known,
as there were
.only three of them thatknow it, and wib
else could tell. (Ai laugh)
_The second mate said they
might depend-on him that he would not tell. (Renewed
laughtef.Y The laitain• advised- that the, ,water-clos4t
pipe might bp CIA. At three p.m. they hailed a ship
when it.was witness's vratob on _duck. A man named
Jacksonj who was working. r 0 plttn, m sighted ,her
and sung out. "'We'll do no more.'' Wiliness advised
that the captain should be called.
Py the Court—The _captain was in the-cabin at this
time:

if he (the captain)
By Mr. Tynclall-7-Could- not say
had and grog. ,The .captain :ordered that they shouldsquare the yards, and, run down on the new vessel; as
they were at the sido• of her. When they
got close, to her, they put np.sigiiat of distress. • They
Were, going at the rate .of about tWo l‘das aIY hour, the
wind being fair, anal bloWing,south-WestWatd. They
went close to Otfila, ;the captain of which
answered their hail,lnd agfthil; to: ial;:e them on board.
They had not cleared away the ,irtinlxt;oat previous to.
this. The captain vas sober at that tune.
Mr. ilea reserVadhih-crosS-cianination of the witness
till the ;subsequett day, ana aceordingly, the court-
rose till one'o'clock on l'itescl#.;
.(tsitcrday)...

YESTERDAY.
• .
The inqUiry into the loss of the Maggie Walker was
resumed before Mr. Baffles and Captain „Harris, in
the Crown Court of St. George's-hall, yesterday after-
noon.,t: examination of George ,Sewell; the ,mate of the
Maggie Walker, was. renewed by Mr.. Tyndall. He
said : Before We' iett the Magg.ie Walker, I had some
word's with some of fffe.• eon th consequence of their
having thioWnini chest oVerhoard. previous to getting
into.'the 1640-boat,' I did riot sotind the -1./4inps...orthe
Maggie Walker, beeadSe'tia`meri,Were m'akbie, sci ntrich
noise in. the boat, and threatened to
me. - I therefore got into the boa(. Ihe.snien Were
pumping up to the time of our seeing the Ottila.
risli,p and leave
d
'During my watch on board the Maggie Walker, which
was from twelve o'clock Until the time I left the vessel,
the/. did not.get a "sup", out of;her.
By tatitain Harris—lt was 'about two o'clock p.m.
when We .first sa the Ottila.
Eiamination reStinied--,-.4 did riot know the position
of the beat in .which was When le got on board the
'Mile.. We had not ,taken'-M anY otteriens that.day
on board the Magii.e,l.Valker becaPse it. WO very- thick,
foggy weather. The Ottila was about a mile ore a mile
and a. half from us when we first saw her. ,I cannot
say. the .position..we were: in at that title, We. did not
take any soundings. .When we got on board the' Ottila
the long-beat wai let go—cast adrift. Between the
time we left the Ma4igle Walker and
.our arrival at the
side of the Ottila there was a raw. in the boat between
the stkoncl mate and a man named idelison. In Conse-
quence of this the captain ordered Jackson to'. fake the
oar from the second mate and steer. Both men were a
little the worse for drink. The second mate appeared
to be worst. The captain was perfectly sober at this
time, and always when I saw him during the day. I
had a glass of wine with him in the morning, and a
' glass of ale at dinner-time. He several times told me•
to gite: the, erew drink; but I did not always do it,
because I thttght they had had sufficient. We landed
at. Kingstown by ale atrial on Wednesday night.
the 18th. The ship had a fair Wind tip to Dublin Bay
on the Tuesday morning; when we made inoresall; and
got a pilot off. Lundy Island on Wednesday, Mopting.
When we left the Maggie "Walker the was very deeti in
the water—her poop was lying almost over her side.
The wiud at the time was southward And westward.• I
don't know that any report of the loss of the Maggie
Walker was made when we arrived at Kingstown or at
Dublin. The captain of :the Ottila wanted me to
'remain with him acid helythentter discharge the cargo,
but I did not do so, because CIO captain said he' ould
begetting another ship at Liverpool,, and promised me
a situation. I signed a protest on the-2Srd, three days •
after arriving in Liverpool. . I have had. thy ads ande-
note paid since I arrived in Liverpool. We were hack
within the time of the advance. The, captain told me"
he would speak to, the owner to see if he would allow us
anything for the loss of clothes, but I have not Yet got
anything. :When the crew were discharged they were
each given OS.. extra. . I again reminded the c,aptain•
abontreceiving some remuneration for the loss of our.,
clothes. Thompson afterwards came to me and said he
had seen the captain, and he,deaied having ever promised
us anything. for ,the loss of our clothes; whereupon -T.'
accompanied him to Burnett and kidd's office. I went
in and enquired froni the clerk wha.t,,had been the matter
between Thompson and the captain, and he informed'
'me-that Thompson wanted £lO, and the' captain would
not give it him, whereupon he went oat. When I came
out we proceeded to Messrs. Dale and Rvrie's Site.
Thompson went' in, and shortlyafterwardS'C'aine ont for
me. ,When I went in they asked me, if cut the water-
closet pipe, and I said I saw the second mate working
at it, and understood from him that it had been so. I
did not. tell them or Thompson that I. would make no
statement until I was forced to do it. They asked me
if the captain was drunk, and I said no. . They then
said they. thought we might have gone into .Milford
Haven very well. The captain was frequently on deck
attending to his duty, but did not 'stay long, at a time;
yet as long as was necessary. The captain was en board
every time but once when the vessel was being turned.
He was not constantly in his cabin, •

By Mr. Hull-2-The Captain never had his clothes off
from the time lie left Liverpool until he got on board the
Ottila.

Examination resumedl hare never seen thetaptain
• drunk and lying in his Cabin on board the Vessel,: froin
the time we left Liverpool.. He was never negligent to
his duties. He slept several times-in front of the stove,
,but he *as not drunk. I told the, second 'mate he bad
better iibt swear to the' Statement he; had to, Mr.
Tyndall, that the captain was drunk, as it was false.
did not hear the captain say, when the vessel lost her jib-
boom, that it would be the last she .would lose.
Mr. Hull was then about to cross-examine .the
witness, with reference to the: eaptain.being drunk on
board the vessel, when --Afr.--Itifflecwquested that he
would •be as brief as possible. Mr. nail thOught
it essential that he should examine .:the witness
upon this point, . unless
.the court intended tel. be-
lieve the. witness's statement that he was perfectly
sober. Charges had been made against the captain,
and it was his duty. to, prove these charges, to be
unfounded. One Of. the .charges was that he had been
in such a state of drunkenness as not to be able to
discharge his dutY; a seeond. Was that of negligence ; a
third that he,had not properly attended to the log book;
and a fourth was that he abandoned the ship when he
ought not to have done so, and Jnight..have:goneinto 'a
certain harbour, which he did not go into. These were
charges which it Was his ditty to prove to be untrue.
If the learned stipendiary would say that the charge of
drtnkenneSs fell through, then he would not cross-
examine the witness upon that point.
Mr. Raftles—Well, the only question will befor me
to inquire whether he was not so drank as to get wrong
in his reckonings.
Mr. if you will say what I am to under-
stand, I will then give such evidence as I can, if the
charge•pf .drunkenness is to go on. There bad only
been two witnesses called, and one swears he was
_per-
petually drunk and the other says he, was not so. Pei-
haps you will consult and see if you cannot tell me if
the charge of drunkenness is to go on.
Mr: Raffles and Captain Harris then consulted a short
time, after which

Mr. Raffles said—lrrespective of .the • 'question of
drunkenness, he and the learned assessor were of opinion
that there had .been fault, independent of drunkenness,
on boad.. . . .

Mr. Iluil—Then will you withdraw from the con-.
sidcration of the subject drunkenness altogether ? • .
ItaffieS--Well, we'll not bind ourselves to say
nothing about it in our report.
• Mr. I.InIIL-=-I'hen--rmust ger on: • - •
The cross-examination was then resumed.' The crew
first objected to pump on the Sunday. I gave them. two.
glasses of grog each watch at the pump.: .I gave thehi
the grog without the permission. of the captain, Oct
when the captain came up, he Ordered me to, give thehi..
some drink, but I did not do so, because I considered
they had had sufficient. The captain did not tell me to
give them the two glasses of grog each watch, but said
I might give them some when I thought they required
it. When I, was on watch did not think, the :punip
sucked, and told the boatswain rtliought the pump in
his watch was no better. - The crew, also, objected to
pump when the Ottila ,came in Sight, but left immb-
diately. Jackson was at the pump at the time, .and be
said, "There's a ship ahoy, of us. so let's, make down t.)
her, and save our lives. I'll not giVe another stroke at
the pump." I think it was a proper thing to abandon
the ship at that time. There' was then a . pretty high
sea running for a small vessel,—such a breeze of wind
was blowing that the °Ulla. Went.under close reef topsail.
The gale was then increasing.. I don't think it would
have been safe on the Sunday or the Monday for the
captain to have put the Maggie Walker before the wind
•and have scudded up the bay ; she rolled over heavily.
If we had stood for Kingstown with the Maggie Walker,
I don't think we would have ever, reached there.
don't think we could have run for Milford Haven ; ‘ve
were ton near over on the Irish coast.
Re-examined by Mr Tyndall—During a conversation
with the captain one day, he. informed me that all the
money he was possessed of was in the ship, and that he
would not like to lose it.
.Mr. remarked that Mr. Bennett would be called
to prove that he had no interest in the vessel at all.
Mr. Tyndall—But I want to show that these men'
are telling the truth.
After some further conversation the case was ad-
journed until this morningct ten o'clock.-
[At the request of Mr. Hull, we suspended, from day
to (lay, our report Of the proceedings, so that, the case
against the captain might not be prematurely prejudiced.
The whole of the substantial evidence being now given,
there can be no reason for further delay itrpublication.
Longer to reserve our report would involve us in a
mechanical difficulty ; but we shall take care that all
the subsequent proceedings are reported at corresponding
length.]

'CLAYTON-HALL.—COL. STODARE.—When this cele-
brated conjuror appeared' here a few weeks ago,
we spoke
of him in terms that his performance merited, and we
are not surprised to find that his second visit is welcome
to the public, and that he is duly appreciated. His
"Two Hours in Wonder World" are two hours of
wonder indeed. This is one of the sort of performances
that is hardly describable on paper, and
as the great
magician- has met with Such. success, we would advise
our friends to see and judge for themselves, as his per-
formance- "beats all creation," as our Yankee --friends
say. , ,

CHARGE AGAINST A RELIEVING OFFlCER.—Tes-
terday Mr. Mainwaring, the POor-law, Inspector, held
au enquiry in the boardroom of the West Derby Work-
house, into . a. Serious charge of neglect, &c., brought
against Mr. Brambam, the relieving officer for lthe
Kirkdale.disti4ct, and in consequence of which he hOs
already been suspended from his office. The circum-
stances
of ,the case simply arc that he refused to attend
to applications made to him for relief to a destitute and
insane, girl, mined- Mary Ann,Niles, living in Townsend-
street, Kirkdale, and-who (on being eventually remove 4).
. had died shortly after her admission into the work-
house. It was alleged, also, that when appealed to by
. some of 'the neighbours on behalf of the deceased,. he
had asked them first to treat him to "something hard."
The evidence on which the charge rests having already
been twice before the public—first on the inquest. and
afterwards in a supplemental enquiry held by the Board
of Guardians—we 'feel it unnecessary to repeat it here.
Amongst the witnesses yesterday Were Mr.
.Job.nSop,
Dr. Nevins, Mr. LeiSclnann, and'scveral of the neigh-
bours. Mr. Bramham will.;-cf course, make his defenCe
to the Poor-law Board, and Some time. will elapse before
the result can be known.