The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-07-17 00:00:00

IMPERIAL. PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS.—YESTERDAY.
Earl GRAxviLLF, in postponing the• second reading of the
New Zealand Loan Bill, observed that the accounts of fthe dis-
turbances in that locality had been greatly exaggerated.
The Marquis of CLANRICAUDE, inmoving for papers referring
to the frontiers of Savoy, protested against the indifference of
England in all Owing the national law of Europe to be Violated
and the unjustifiable disregard of the treaties of 1815, shown
iu the late transactions between France and Savoy. He added
that the conferences •at Baden had increased the existing
uneasiness, and asked Sonic:assurance frosts the • Government
that the principles'of the treaty of Turin would not be!carried
any further.

Lord Wonvuorsr, concurring generally In the view thus
stated, and deblaring the intention of the Governmentito Sup-
port the independence of Swiiierland, said that any demand
upon France to disclaim further aggressive designs Was not
expedient. In entering the proposed conference, England did
not necessarily admit the treaty of Turin, while they, migist
find means of further securing the Swiss interests and of allay-
ing their fears. .

The Marquis of NORMANBY approved of the propod.con.
ference.

Lord STRATFORD DI: REDCLIFFR, off tke contrary, viewed it
with apprehension. It would place England in a painful
position, shd might end in a coolness between France and this
country, which he greatly deprecated at the same time that he
could not approve of too close an alliance.
After a few remarks from Lord Brougham; who approved of

the conference,

The motion was agreed to, and the returns endorsed

On the motion of the Earl of Chichester, the commitment of
the Ecclesiastical Commission. Bill was hied for that day three
months.

Several bills vereadvaneecl a, stage, and their fordships
adjourned at forty-five minutes past seven.

ROUSE OF COMMONS.-Y ESTEIIDAT,

Mr. COGAN gave notice that-on the morrow he should ask. for
leave to bring in a'bill to restrain party processions Milleland.
-IfT, EL Dews ox DAWSON having called attention' to— the late .dis-
turbanees at Lurgan,
Mr. CARDWELL deeply regretted, to state that the accounts
were.true. The collision did not take place at 'Lurgan itself,
but in the mountains near, AS the parties were going home in
the evening. The magistrates were doing all in.their power to
preserve order. It appeared that two persons had lost their
lives. There had been no account of disturbances from other
parts of Ireland.
lord NAAS asked if the police had any excuse to offer for not
being present on the spot, as it had been stated that a conflict
-was expected.
Mr. CARDWELL said that an enquiry was going on before the
snagistrates, and he could not at present state the result.
Mr. Coomr asked if the district was under proclamation.-
Mr. CARDWELL replied, that part. of the County of Armagh
was proclaimed, but not- eho prooico diAriut 4.A.ztion.
Mr. BRADY asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland if his atten-
tion has been directed to the fact that the board of the Cowpock
Institution of Dublin charges two shillings and sixpence for
ivory-charged points of vaccine lymph to medieal men, whilst
the board receives a grant of £4OO per annum for the better
supply of pure lymph for the protection of the people.
Mr. CARDWELL said that the matter was under enquiry.
The report of the committee of supply, containing the vote
for the Chinese expedition, was then brought up.
• On the question that it be received,
Sir J. PAKLNGTON gave notice that he should at a future time
'call attention to the personal remarks made against members
,of the late administration by Lords Palmerstop and Russell.
He should have done so at once ; but those noble lords ,were
-unaccountably absent. •
Mr. ROEBUCK made a vigorous protest against the Chinese
wear. He declared he had no desire for intercourse with other
nations. It was the restless government of British enterprise
'which had obtruded itself into China. What should we think
if a Chinese expedition were fitted out to compel the people of
Liverpool to drink spirituous liquors 1 He again adduced
against Mr. Glad.-tone the denunciations of the former war.
Circumstances were said to be different now. For himself, he
could not see the differenges. He declared that he could not
see the end of the war, which seemed equally against huma-
nity, morality, and the honour and interests of the country,
and led to a most unhappy comparison of Eastern and Western
principles of justice.
The' CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, while denying the
justice of the attack of Mr. Roebuck, felt bound to admire the
principles, Still, the contract between China and this country
'was a fair international arrrangement; it was strictly binding ;
it had received the full approbation of the Emperor of China ;
and the question at issue was, whether the treaty should or
should not be ratified in the Chinese capital. That retain-
lion, he contepded, we were bound to enforce.
The report was then agreed to.
lha the question that the House go into Committee of Ways
and. Means, '

Mr. NEWDECIATP, adverting to the great number Of hours
• eluilisisihrati the House 'had lately sat, moved a resoliition
to
the effect that no new debate should be commenced after one
c'elock in the morning. The character of the House was
-s- • endangered by the reckless waste of time ficiatierin' the
present mode of .conducting business. The HOuse was, in
fact, becoming a mere office of registry of the decrees of the
,Goveriiment.
sslir GEORGE GREY admittedthe inconvenience of the present
prattles* of the House., He considered that a stringent resolu-
tion,.uich as that now proposed, would lead to a serious delay
in the conduct of public business; as any member, by simply
declaring his opposition ,to a bills moved after ore, would be
able to defeat it, he trusted that the honourable member would
he satisfied IT having directed attention to what really seas a
serious evil.
Mr. JAMES declared the actual mode of conducting public
husinesa both by the Government and the ,House to be most
-unsatisfactory, and the cause of great public inconvenience.
Mr. BOUVERIE said that the effect of the resolution would
Sts ean absolute power to minorities in the House, and cause
au absolute check to the passing of needful business. The
mischief was partly caused by the rule of the other House not
to read bills a second time after a certain day. ' •
Lord LOYAII4E defended this practice of the House of Lords.
fir G. C. LEWIS observe&tbat minorities had already great
loser, but they must be minorities of several. The proposed
sesoletion would give an absolute power of staying business to
a minority of one. It would be better to trust to the discre-
tion of the House than to inflexible rules.
Mr. DIaRtELI said that the true remedy lay in the hands of
the Government, who ought to make up its nsind as to the
bills with which it really intended to go on. The present year
'had been occupied with important financial measures, owing
to Solids its proceedings were of more importance than it first
appeared. The resolution lie could not support, believing it
would only aggravate the evil.
Lord Piemestsrox said that the Oovernment had already
considered what bills they ought to abandon, and they would
shortly state their determination to the House. - No doubt the
session had been a peculiar one, and thus the passing of many
useful Measures; introduced at the commencement of the
session, had been hitherto delayed, lie could not consent to
bind the House by further rules, they had already rules
enough, and the particular proposal would le especially incon-
venient at the present moment.
Mr. HENLEY said that it would, only be
.by. Use .exercise of
their own discretion that the House could get through the
immense amount of business before it. ' •
Mr. NEWDECIATE withdrew his resolution.'
The House then went into Committee of Ways and Means.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was his duty
. to confine himself to the provision proposed by Government to meet certain exigencies, without entering into' (he question of
those exigencies themselves. He could also state more accurately
the amoiint of the expenses of the Chinese war. The sums
originally voted amounted £2,550,000, before they knew that
war would actually ensue. The additional sum how demanded
- was C 2,459,1000. The vote was for a latger sum, £3,800,000,
as St includea 0950,000, of which £440,000 belonged to the
orevicitts war, arid £500,000 was provided for in his' former
ies4mates". The whole expense of the Chinese war of Sir H.
Eottinger, including payments by the East India Company,
was 0400,000; p smaller sum than that demanded for.
this single year, though that war lasted , several years.
The entite ,amount of the votes asked for the present
Year on this Recount were,
.therefore, 05,550,000. After
detailing his former estimates and his original ptovision of
£2,550,000 for the: hinese expedition, he came to the pro-
' vision which it would be necessary to make for the '..t3,300,b0e
not as yet provided for. He fiat no reason to depart from the
estimates of his budget; and the experience of the year up to
June last were, as regards income, highly satisfactory, exceed-
ing the expectations of the Government. kWh he could not
venture to improve upon his estimates on this account. Taking
into consideration all probable contingencies, the surplus of his
late budget as it stood, correcting certain errors which it cons
tanned, would have been £264,000. The retention of the paper
duty would, perhaps, produce £7oo,oBoadditional. Hence they
had the £500,000 already estimated, and the Veto sums of 264,000
and £700,000 just mentioned. Deducting these signs from the
jt3,800,000 of the China vote, there remained £2,336,00D .to be
provided for. That sum be should ask the committee to pro,
vide, .partly by taxation and partly by other means, following "
-in this case the ordinary
precedents of times of war. We
might hereafter expect that China herself would repay a part
ssf our present expenses. A Petrtion of these sumo were actually
due:
they proposed to raise a million by taxation, and
the was au immediate increase on the duty
upon tftdeit spirits at the rate of ls. lid, per gallon, .
leaving the a
entire duty at los. per g Britiih
spirite," la on colonial,
and los sd. on foreign
spirits. He entered at length into the social, reasons which t '
Were added to economical for adopting this, course, and into
the historY 9f go
spirit duties, arguing boththat the expected
revenue would b
injury would ensue to
e y and that no
ever, be remembered that
raised
thepublic at large. '.1.1 should, how
the introduction p 1 foreign spirits and the competition of w• s.
caused by recent measures, seed, thirdly, the competition of
malt liquors, all of -which wonl4 ; as
Ft s:Pec;i.al causes
sifiuttitTis-
olneing some uncertainty into the code
happened, the revenue would get onlzoilet;
be necessary
the other. If his proposal was adopted, it would
:le what it lost on
to adopt, hereafter, some modgication of the wine duties.
If
they made nac
p allowance for deductions on those
and those of adulteration and diminished consumption, the
increase would amount to £2,250,000; with all allowances,
he believed that they could fairly colcolate OPS'n u
of a million oni British spirits. There was thee increasefurther
increase to be expected from an increase on foreign spirisy,
:estimated at £50,000, Peducting-this £3.050,000 from2B the
6'
£2,886,000 to be provided fors there remained
rum they proposed to raise by other means .e Thehalances in the Exchequer were most faoiouroble, and h
anti-
cipated that enough ;would be at their command to
meet this
de -nand. Ail that would lie necessarywoold !.0 obtain
u.
power' (or reborrowing She gut:leper finding due in
November' next. It would be necessary tor !hp. ..4914,9e ..to copse
to an 4/Stnedidt. vote, simply to protect the revenue and the '
oiwratiop of commerce from suffering
thc Matter finder itst betn
e
consideration. Thwehsiluebjthe subject of for tie tiheada-
kn in of the report
*u*l the steps
9f the COnMsissiouers, would be explained by the Prime Mi-
nister before the discussion uponwasthtaaktennopresentdemand propo-
sition. oo pu el
d-
Eition. All he mold Pay was,,,they!
ou. further hi
ar.
Le made upon the taxatisla Of
Addition on Irish spirits would
Mr. Vaster declared diet the
asing distillation. He
olellsat its own Object, by s -sugrt •, •
seneoner to take this oppor-
tunity on. the Chancellor So --- • --ess .ou wieosleetisa) of the
of remedying certain grieVane..? .
spirit. duties in Ireland. '
After some desultory conversation, the resolution proposed
oss
by the chancellor of the Exchequer, seer easwig the eXtsae
;dutieson Britishspirits, and the custom duties on foreign and
colonial apu-Sts, were put and agreed to.
Another sexier.; of resolutions, carrying out the propositions
contained in the Xiudgetary schemes, promulgated in February
last, eating ,to excuse licenses and abbreviation of malt and
hop credits, tneshsty on chkeory, the stamps on contracts, notes
of assignments, of leases or insurances, and foreign promissory
notes, were also:agreed to, after a. miscellaneous discussions
The House having gone into committee, resumed the dis-
cussion on the clauses of
Several clauses were agreed to.
the Bau,kriaPtey and Insolvency Bill.
-On reaching 152, which relates to the abolition of distinc-
lino between the trading and non-trading insolverstss the
debate was adjourned until Thursday, and the Chair an
,ordered to report progr,esa•
On the motion for going into Committee on the Refreshment
Houses and Wine Licence (Ireland) Am, ,
,far. R. HENNESSY moved an ainendsoeus to defer the com-
mittee ou the bill for three months.
• The amendment was seconded by Colonel Dunne. •
Lord J. MAN NEHS moved the adjournmentExclustußa hoped that of the debate, ,
The CHANCELLOR of the the Haase
would go into committee on the hill, promising, however, to
postriotwat the disputed clause,
Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Blake, and Mr. If actuation, supported}the

After some further discussion, motion for adjournment
was egatived, and the House divided on tie
Q—ginal question.
There appeared for going into committee, ne ; for 14e mend-
zaent, 38 ; majority,.9B. -• ' ' The House then went into committee on the bill, hut Ale
chairman was immediately ordered to report PrOrress, wit•h
leave to sit again on Thursday.
'I he remaiqing business was then disposed of, and the House
adjourned at three o'clock.