The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-03-10 00:00:00

resolution forbiank the cxpoi4 of coal. The
language he had used,
,Iwas offerisi—
veto I,the
nation; and yet ,he ftvinother time tiir
.
nothing was,mereimpolitic than to woundthe feelings
of the French people-. As for the treaty, he once'more
denied that 'it w' a bargain, InN4fis'{A4lsarty
gave what it would have otherwite,;liept. this
instance both parties gave' uP Vl. ip
not .wish, to keep: To enter into minute adjAs-ttnenti
of -equivalence, -would---have bee.ii an qter olgitCk
to the progress of the negotiations, and wliiiihymild,have.
ended in a', total paralysis of trade and revenue. He
denied ttiat the ,people of FranCe were averse, to the
treaty. Whatever might be the objectiOns of particular
interests, the nation approved aisellenic by which theM:'
selves and their revenues would profit largely. The
world i-Onld not be able to resist the moral influence of

the union of France and England in the direction of
liberty of commerce All.ler objections hailigbroLcm
doWn; the UnfOrtunate article of Coal was made the
subject of a 'narrow aniendtrient. 'On this subject he
declared that no belligerent right was waived or aban:-
doned; it was purely a commercial consideration. In
voting an address tohe Crown, an amendment of this kind
ought not to be adopted without most serious reasons. Such
reasons were here out of the question. Of all the articles
in the treaty,-the most advantageous to' England, in a
commercial sense was this encouraging the export of opx
coal;-aughnentingOur shipping and knitting • together,.
in indissoluble bonds, -tba,.alliapce of the two countries.
It was for' this reason that they had not' accepted 'the
• offer oil France to modify this article,. fo'r ,those who
made :Such 'an • outcry, on the consumption of
coal, why 'did they not try to. economise it in, the vast
consumption of our own country? He concluded by
s#ti:ifaction at the deUte, and 'at the
approval given' by tho country to the proposals before
the House, which might produce. beneficial effects beyond
their power to calculate. and-which Would make;' he
believed, the year 1860 as one'-of the most fruitful in
the annals of mankind. -

After some' remarks from 'Mr. Newdegate, made amid
general impatience,
The House divided on the amendment, which. it
refused' to :iilldw Mr.' Horsimin to withdraw,' and it was
,negatii-e&by 281 to 56:
.V4e,._address was then agreed to, and the House
adjourned at twenty minutes to twe o'clock:

FALSELY AlARklN4djElsiit LABELLING_
GOODS FOll4 SALE, -

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. ~froRTmIT, mEEgn,„:yg§:rptDAT':,,;l
fu, kinehin,4Manchesterz seeretarytclthe Assoeia,
oel
tion'iliV4plfh6.l4, 6 e Pi:',i4tAitof ,kal'icksAarking pi
Lahelling Goods for Sale, tiled Itintroloyledi 1# r.
0
atd ftle' t seleiil'efitleMen FAO were,iiii4d4o.lneet him
at the Clarendon-rooms,. at twelve cenlook,, for thieyirpose
Of a conteriiiibe4c44llJtheheßi'ilieans:joilAingisirength in
Li_verpeol to the! objects of his Assocjation, I 1.9 7"
On the motion_ of Xt. Kent,: seciniilid (brAft.`Cook,
Mr. Councillor Japles
„Reddeditte Jeffery was called on
to preside.
The CHAIRMAN said.:-Gentlemen, the circular yob
have,reOelived Will have., informed, you of ,the plajeet of
this meeting. It is to meet our friend, Mr. Minchin of
ilanch'ester, who is, the secretary of the association
formed there for the purpose of suppressing the; evils
restlting. from e,ikevaletit practice of falsely labelling
goods:--labelling goods One length when they. actually
measure a verY -differentandj•shorter length. . YQu'Are
aware probably that.the nttentiot of the trade has :been
Balled to this;practice in COnsequence"of. a ,suit -at law
by the Messrs. Taylor, of Leicester, against Degetatt, for
imitating their, trade marks;_ biit. the practice; unfortn- •
irately, is not. Confined to the reel cotton spinners, for it-
extencla:itself over a very much wider range than that.
Soineof us knew that about ten years ago an effort wag
made by the retail trade throughout the kingdom to have
a fair legitimate measure Secarestio theta. That effort was
unsuccessful in obtainingaperpetual,lsenefit; though not I
wholly without adVantage, for CertainlY slice that period
. ..
the measure had been better that if
!wai previously.
Fre-
quently circ..inastances occurred in which goods .-44,
sent bynthe fimtors or manufacturers thatiiieasused only
3,5 inches, and sometimes as short as 34 inches, to the:
yard. I-had the honotir;,*accompanied by the)ate Mr.
Wate,'of the.firiii of %,olwright and Co., of attending,
as a' member of a deputation from Liverpool, 'd meeting
ii ..Lyndon, -when instances were. ,produced of. the ex-
' ceedingly gross practice' of giiitig 'short' meaSiire. lt
'was found, however, • difficult,,to 'grapple with that
'question. The la* itself is'Veri'deficient; for'while the
local authorities have.'power:ttiqleal with the small
tradeS,Men---in fact '01). every, ,tradesmenif-7,-within the
limits of the borough, by means .of the'Weights and'
Measures Act, which applies to borough's, we :have.,
every possible, difficulty, to:-eneounteriinf sewing a
correct measure if the goods are bought beyond the pre-
cinctsiecht 'borough. On the c.ecitsietto whiett Pliave
alluded the Ministers' of the day 'Were seen, but they
, . ,
were unable to see their way qiiite cleerlY,6 a reniedy.
I kopgYhati the time which has subsequently elapsed has
,affordedAlinisters opportunities of making inquiries and
informing themselves of the
..facts to a sufficient extent
.to enable them to adopt some means which' wilUhe pro-
ductive of a different state of things., There is a bill;,'
under the charge of Mr. Milner Gib Son, ,flow bekre th•O,
House of 'Commons, in which the association is wieltliiitcil
introduce a dense, making. it a misdeniiiMpt;hlo.ii.,*ann,'
.facturer to vend aaarticle professedlyat.onemeasure when
actually another. 'lt will probably be in the recollection
of some gentlemen that, a few years ago, there was a tliS-;
'oasscon in the Town Condi *tithe question of grocers,,,
.Weighingth e paper along with the sugar theysold. On that
occasiot I remember some exceedingly harsh and severe
language—in :my opinion wholly imjustitiable:2-was used
in referenee to .that practice, -a.4, upon investigation, it
Was found that the practice yielded no prbfittb the grocer,
but that it ;Was. simply a matter of- convenience,' , the
-paper being found to, cost quite as mochas the sugar
Lweigked w.ithit was 'Worth. Still it was, no doubt, a
violation-of,-.the law, because; the- 'deale-rs, ;professed to
vend the sugar at the weight asked for, .mmlusive of the
paper, instead of which the weight'included that et.the,"
paper .as well as the sugar. Whilst the retail trade was' s
condemned to 'this extent, the wholesale' manufacturer_
Was peymitted to go free of any imputation or blame.. ,
The practice some years ago was a very wholesome 'one'
in this country, previous to our foreign trade being so'
extensive as, it has become.. ',J,Che Mahafacturer,give for
yard a; inches, for the purpose' of protecting' the? ,
retail Man hy'thitting orie.lohilineh into 'sundry short
lengths; ..against • actual -loss. -. 'As, however, our shipping _
tradepregreSsed, the Manchester packers adopted what
;Was known by the term " short stick"-meaningliterally,
thirty-six inches. But those,.who have been in the habit
'Of purchasing goods intended for export, tnifortunitelf /
find that the term "short stick". is not .entirely it ice'Ai:
~,
laical term, but a reality. We have found that goddif
labelled twenty-four yards, have measured no TAMelthant
twenty-three and a .half, and fteciuently 'tin .mOre. thiiii '
.twenty-three,yards. Other goods'prossed to be twenty-
eightlards, have been and are sent out half a yard and '
sometimes a yard short of that measure. In proof of this,
a merchant in this town, 'some time ago, showed me
paragiaph inserted4n the,New York papers. The prac-
tice was found to be so prevalent in New York, that, a
resolution was come to by the merchants there to the •
[effect that a case or bale of goods which,they. might pur,
I chase should have one piecetaken out of it, and whateve;i
thatplecernight measure, it would beheld as the Mee.,..
sure 011r...entire.. ciase_or bale—. .4.4ltat -pipet war forms:
- to be short, the whole,gutle filmed :1)e- Coiiiidered short,
.441 a bOtll.parties wqr"4 :b6und to -agree to these term
Now; fills ii -a
matter which, in its importanCe, does not,
confine itself to the United Ste,t4 UM' to the United,,'
Kingdom, bUt it. is one which affects, the, inhabi-
tants'4f the whole world, and therefore the associtition.,
lihieh has been formed has a wotk of copiiderable-
•labour before it. I have no .doubt that its. efforts Will
b—
e crowned with success, and the success which we
bope ' they . will achieve will be, conferrika`tatiortni
benefit--,because it will tend to sustain the chsracterAt
the British merchant 'abroad,' where his word is under;,:•;,,
stood to be as good as his bond, . With these remarki
I have now simply to say that the Manchester Associ-
.ation is wishful to confer with you--to know whether
or no it will be Your pleasure, to, feqi, a committee iv,
this town for the purpose of co-operating with them ?
Or• whether you think it is a' Matter 'that the Chamber of
;Vonimerce shoidd addpt. It appears tome that Liverpool
ActUld take. some atep in the oorrection of such evils. I ,
am, in your hands, gentlemen, for it is for you to decide
What is the best course to adept. It appears to, me
that Liverpool. Should 'take 50u....0. coarse to correct such
abuses as are' shown to exist. IV,.hile we, a.pear.i.a.,bs,
attending to the "coniParatively' trifling frauds—to the
shadow, as it were,--we , are -having the Stbstance, so
AnO;ig a ,7P-allpn the manufacttirer to pursue his fratidu,---
lent practices unchecked and undealt with. Peihtips.
Mr. Minchin.will be' good, enough to tell os,what the
-a,eme. ssociation desire should be d ' ' *- '' -
, Mr. MIN-cars lintel:4g .after.the. explanations 'whi'cli
_
-had been given by their chairman of oenclvantages to be
derived- oparax.aasocigtinu as t4isaiia,.. - .
to, be Said: The association•NTa4 formed last October in
'London, and.* committee -in 'Manchester was- met— eV.
of a loialcbaracter, similar to the committee they pro-
posed to form in Liverpool.- The diff;erent Chambers of.-•
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Commerce, were 1107 WtilAgualtlo 1.13.,ter., Huddersfield '
and: Manchester Chamhernhad already had the question
befere:tbeni ; and once the local committee'eras formed
in this town, •he had no doubt the' subject would be
tiought hefcre, Pie ,Liverpool Chainber ()few-Amerce. " ''
mr.1,F,,a....1 may .say•that-therimalvrmf-thole
-
giving short measure is b
r ,714.: Veen& sp extens ve as it
was previous-to the liftitati1 mto which I referred in my -speech. I!•etnernber• that one year previous to that
,azitatiou` the arnount my firm had to claim as 14;eing
"short' of ae-inches to a yard, 'arnonnteil to, `upyfards of ' £3OO. But it is not only the sb.ort measure vre".haveto.
it is for the, 11141xle of buyintgliegaopoodistso
complain of. Whenc,,se gen 4 our buye.);sto. the ma 11.47
farwellfil±ndweto,breii
itiric!rptOtln want; and if
short measure the rule is that they he at once 'returned,'
1 or the buyer is 3ect*ecl to sustain the' IOsS, anct not the
seller.
:e:iertaciolmy
,polelc;: to return 'for. being
si4rt
Now this is 'a great hardship, seeing thottdie,
gmtheeoasitasu,raewr,eeorsuffr a large pecuniary loss by keeping
of. But, if we Which we stand most in need
, 4eep them, *e can only recover by an
action 4 14W,: . . ' -
After some, farther conversation, h which.the Chair-
man expressed an' opinion that the object of the asso-
ciation cameAttingly:within the scope -of Charnbers of
Commerce," ;- - •

Mr.-HEwiTsox moved; "That, feeling it is desire-le,l
a local tammittee should'be formed in Liverpool to' cO='!l
operate with the Assoe,iation for SUppressing the Prac—,
tic() of-Palsely Marking or Labelling Goods for-Rale, the
fbllOwing gentlemen be.requested to work on the corn.
mittee, with power to add to their number :—Messrs.
ReffersoVoollWright, Frisby, Carmichael, Peck, Gifisot ,
ucierson Hewitson, Henderson, Rodgers, Cook, lAi
Legge, Brown, and Robertson."
The motion was unanimously agreed to • and after..a !
(*cite of thanks had been passed to Ore chairman, the
meeting broke up. ' L.

•
1. A communication from Turin in the Presse states that
the precise.formuld of ,the; vote on the 11th and .12th
will be Annexation to the., constitutional MOnarchy of
King Victor Emmanuel II." or 4‘StSefarate Kingdoms"
The bulletins which May Contain anything beyond the
abose will be considered as mull,, and be cancelled..
A Paris letter in the Nord says:-T." A rumour pre-
Nails of a new despatch froid:lll.lhouvenel to the Sar-
,diiiian Government; said to 'be dated the 3rd instant,
and to relate to the universal suffrage question. France
does not ,oppose it, though well aware of what the result
will be. While awaiting the result of this vote, Count
Arese, ct o has' returned to Turin, is conferring with
Victor Emmanuel on the propositions which he has
brought back from Paris."
A DOG'S TALE,—The fo/lowi:tg interesting trait of.l
sagacity in the canine race .has been given us from.
an authentic source:—A brother of Mr. Esler, of the
_Johnson Reef, a short time_since left the district, 1
-and went 'overland to Adelaide, taking ivith him a 'clog I
belonging to his brother. On arriving there, the dog
appeared 'ill at be determined to see whether he
,would return, and accordingly wrote a letter :Ao
his brother, and enolosing, it in a handkerchief, tied
it to the nook •the dog, which then started. A
letter was then posted to the brother here, with the
somewhat' lace.nio: contents Dear .
Arrived here safely. For further particaars, see: dog."
This ..was, of course, perfectly unintelligible to .Mr.
'Esler till, the day after receiving theletter per p 94
the four-footed messenger arrived with his , "41444,
particulars" round his neek4L 'll* lonely 'journey
of, 600 miles, he did not .appear MA fatigued; but
seemed• overjoyedet7olllllg hiS own town
Betutigo Adiertilek.