The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-07-06 00:00:00

COMMONS v. LORDS, LAST NIGHT.

LAST night's debate proves to the letter the
truth of what we hae invariably predicted, that
the attempt to get up a collision between the two
Houses of Parliament would prove a dead failure.
How could it have been otherwise, if we are to
believe that the Commons possess common sense ?
It is a very trite remark, in regard to money
bills, that " the Commons grant And the. Lords
assent;" but surely any child may justly reason
that when assent is requisite to an act that assent
may be withheld. If it be not so then the assent
is compulsory. A compulsory. assent is impossible,
because it involves a contradiction in term F..
"The Commons grant and the.. Lords assent,"
therefore, must mean that the Lords may dis-
sent. Accordingly, the Lords have dissented
to the Repeal of the Paper Duties, under
present circumstances ; and this is the whole
case upon which the recent clamour has
been got up. We have said from • the first, that
the people of this country would never sympathise
with the agitation. Neither have they. .It has
been confined to a few active and wide-mouthed
demagogues and their literary hacks, who have"
gladly seized the shadow of 'a straw to save them,
if possible, from a certain fate. If the real truth
'requires to be told, the people of this country
think all more of the House of Lords, for having
had the "pluck" to do the right thing at the
right time, iu the face of no small difficulty.
This the Radicals know; and this it is that
vexes them. The Lords have saved to the country
nearly a million and-a-half of money per annum,
at a time when, as Mr. GLADSTONE acknowledged
last night, the country requires every farthing of
revenue it has—and more besides; and it would
take a good deal of logic to persuade Englishmen
that that was an oppressive or an Undesirable act.
TheLogis have been counted as nothing; they
have been taunted in certain quarters with their
inutility ; they have been reviled ; and, with one
section of the community, it has Neu the vogue to
heap insult and contumely upon them. In a most
unexpected manner their Lordships turned round
and showed, that they . are still true English
Barons, as of old prepared to do battle for
the Welfare of the Constitution. Their great
crime is that they have iDAlete4 shame-
ful defeat upon those' who ought to
have been in reality, as, in this instance at least,
they have shown themselves to be only nominally,
the representatives of the people. A galling
sense of this truth has thrown the new firm of
Mcssrs7 cif.,4DsTE, ''Brl44T, .into
paroxysms of indignation. They Kaye barked
loudly enough, bait last flight's.dehate shows that
they are teethless, and cannot bite.

Nothing could very well be clearer, froth the
tenor of Lord PALMERSTON'S spoeoh last night,
than that, if he had had his own way_ in the mat-
ter, he would gladly have allowed the whole
question to rest where it was on the morning of the
division in the House of Lords some short time ago,
end that he was delighted !!.:o the top of his bent "
that Mr. 61,ADTiR.:1E'l most pFtravagaht and most
gratuitous financial blunder had been corrected by
the Lords. Doubtless he heartily rejoiced that so
much revenue had beensayed It is equally clear
from Mr. GLADSTONE'S eloquent oration that he
has been wounded to the quick: During the
‘ delifiuql of the treaty" he had carried ever 3 •

thing before him twd had begun
to feel himself.-" master of the situation." The
Commons had ',tamely submitted to his conjuring
tricks; bat the •Lords broke .the charm. To be
beaten by the I.Jords, and that, too,-on a financial
question, ias like. adding insult to injury. Mr.
GLADSTONE, iiowever, must choose between
the two thorns of a dilemma. Re has associated
himself ,with those whose convictions and
sympathies are alien to his own ; and he has
learned to make sacrifices. He, therefore,

reluctantly and most ungracefully, as any one
reading his speech, must see, consents to a compro-
mise: He agrees to swallow his leek with a growl,
rather than retire from office'with disgrace. In
short, with the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
the subject of discussion was evidently altogether
a personal matter, in which his self-esteem was.
called into more lively action than any other sen-
timent. With the other speakers of Mr.
BRIGHT'S kidney, -it was, of course, quite a
different matter. It served their purpose last
night to profess a great regard for the Constitu-
tion. Everybody knows, however, that they are
of opinion 'in-their heart of hearts that the QUEEN
and the HOUSE OF LORDS--in short, all that con-
stitute our present Constitution—are very useless
institutions. A cotton and commercial oligarchy is
their beau-ideal of a government. It was therefore
their cue to pass from facts to theories; and we
had enough of declamation as to what might be
or ought to be, and very little that was reliable
or truthful as to what really are the acknowledged
rights of the parties in this controversy of Com-
mons versus Lords. In short, - except a small
section of the House, everybody seemed very
well satisfied with what the Lords had don% and
only too happy to find that, in doing so they had
acted in strict accordance with all precedent.
The only conclusion we can draw from all this
is that the Commons, and not the Lords, have
taken to making inroads on the Constitution. It
is unfortunately too plain that the Commons have
betaken themselves to the criminal and treason-
able pastime of , making sport of the affairs of
the nation. Last night- was considered a great
night. About what? About nothing that, in the
estimation of an overwhelming majority of the
people of this country, deserved a moment's fur-
ther consideration after the division in the Lords.
How is the government-of the country to be car-
ried on at this rate ? The twelfth of August fast
approaches, and members must be set free from
the drudgery of legislation. Yet night after night
is wasted, and nothing is done to forward the many
important home measures which still remain in a
most imperfect state, to say nothing of the condi-
tion of our foreign affairs. Look at India, with
its army and finances in disorder ; at China defy-
ing us ; at the Sicilies in nobody knows what
condition ; at our French neighbours hatching all
sorts of mischief; at our German cousins in a state
of dubious excitement ; and at America, as usual,
trying to take the advantage of us. If the brief
remainder of the session is to be thus wasted, how
are these things to be attended to? It cannot be
done. One night for such a trumpery debate was
not enough, and so it has been adjourned, and it
remains to be seen whether a second night will
suffice. The slaughter 'of the innocents this year
will be something quite unprecedented. Among
these must be involved some serious consequences
to the welfare of the people: It may be IIOW too
late to avert the evil during the
present session,
but -we are much mistaken if the body of the
population do not see correctly the crying evil
which so :loudly calls for a remedy. We have as
little doubt that they will sooner or later
inflict just retribution on the real offenders, by
for ever withdrawing their confidence and
support from those pseudo " liberals" and
"reformers," through whose inexcusable trifling
with the highest national interests the resources
of the country have been squandered, and a
Parliamentary session, presenting opportunities
of inestimable value, has been already worse
than wasted.

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE.

FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.

PARI

3rd July, 1860,

I think I understand what is required of me, when
you desire to receive in advance of the London
journals, and, independently of the opinions of their
correspondents, reliable intelligence rewarding conti-
nental affairs, political, civil, rand so,cial._ . I shall,
therefore, endeavour to the bek of my ability, and so
far as space will permit,• to pa yiXe readers iri Possession'
every morning, of The substance of all that is interesting
and important, under the above heads, in the different,
journals here, which come under my .ohsc7ation,--
making extracts (translations) of the more important,
articles and comments furnished to them by their con-.
tributors and correspondents. I shall also.aeadfilyself
of the extremely copious private carrapondence of the
I»dtpeiidance Belge, which comprehends communications •
from all the capitals of Europe, and from Constantinople,
and embodies information, which is not only for the
most part original, but often, as in the case of Paris,
Vienna, Naples and Rome, tack truthful an,d independent
to be allowed a place in the journals published in these
• places-,a circumstance which, of course, renders the
intelligence all the more valuable. shall, also,
as you suggest, keep prominently in view the
desirableness, with reference .to the Commercial
Treaty . with France, of apprising you at the
earliest moment, of all particulars that may transpire
here regarding the arrangements and modifications to
which that one-sided agreement is in course of being
subjected by the commissioners charged with the carry-
ing out of its details, and the evidence and opinions of
the English and French mercantile authorities, who
appear before these gentlemen: I shall also endeavour
to let you know what actually takes place in the French
Chamber on this subject, the summary of proceedings
which appears in the Ifanitei4r, being generally neither-
truthful nor. satisfactory ; glancing, from tittie to: "time,
at the progress of mercantile affairs in general thfotigh-
out the principal French marts. In short, I shall make
my lucubrations as interesting and as suitabre leaa
for the Liverpool and general reader. The -4i*rence
between the distance from .Paris to London, and from
Paris to Liverpool, ia-measuraby by, the distance from
London to Liverpool. It is only 'a few .hours. But at
present, excepting in the ease of telegrams, the difference
of distance, so tar as foreign news is concerned, is an
entire day. Why should this be so any longer ?
need hardly say that your paper does not reach ia-,e with
that degree of regularity that I eelld, wish but in this
respect it only shares the fate of those other foreign
newspapv4 whicli comment fortement on the acts of
the present Ruler of France. Knowing well that the
DAILY TIMES is the official organ of the great Conser-
vative party iu the north of England, many Englishmen
who, like myself, believe in its principles, feel /to
small
disappointment when it has been occasionally confiscated.
—I am, yours, AN ENAISIpIAN IN PARIS.

• _..— ___,--,,—_ -,-
PROM OUR OWN, CORRESPONDEsT.
PARIS, July 4, 1860.
An increase of four new seats in the Senate, conse-
quent on the annexation of Nice and Savoy, is seriously
talked of here. The names of the probable new sop_
tors are likely to be found among the tYlko.wirq .---M.
e,_prov,isional GovyertunoiridaettaNiisicoef
Mollard, M. Girod, the )44.riAii Ca''t4 de lieaUregard,
therefore I
Xi,. 4aill9t, 34, Ohenal, ex-Provisional Governor at
Annecy, M:Lubanis,
and all of them either Savoyards or Nizzards. Ti,
appointments will, however, most likely, not be
made
usual, the:
until after the return of the Emperor front tui tour
through the annexed provinces next September. - -our
you Will no doubt We icon SUlllCiellti
for its exl4ibit;on:
the funeral obsequies of Prince Jerome, and
need only remark that it was a very grakid
share contributed by the military being, tistriiir. The
largest, and the Napoleonic Chapel,
. est tAast. could
the Hotel des InvalideF, being the very
itiftitahe bcisalil of
infetment, the (ol:Trier d iiin-apos of this
have beep selected
ie .Parrs all
negotiationi have been opene4 at Vienna,eg" that renewed
veinaißs of pie Duke de Rei b to obtain the
would be interred at 4t, Debh ° 8414 Which, however,
" Metn9irs and Correspondence.• The first volume of the
of King Jercnicoitid
Catherine his Queen," . I
is to appear 1 t Nova ' laPr
ar on the ..s l'A-7
next. The work is 8
publi ht.l WatAel the editorship of
...0
an old aide7m.-cip 01
the Winne, who hs,s already
acquired considerable
literary fame.
It appears
that Elie servant
accompanying M, Prenier


FRANCE.

PARIS, July 5.

The Moniteur of this morning announces that
during the absence of M. Magne, M. Fould
will .undertake the direction of the Ministry of
Finance.

A projeot of law has been presented to the
corp,s, Legislatif for authorising the city of Paris
to-issue '287,618 obligations of 500 f. each.

- The Russian Ambassador, Count Kisseleff, has
officially informed M. Thouvenel that the Court
.of Si. Petersburg, having examined the three
proposals of France for the definitive settlement
of the question of the annexation of Savoy, has
resolved upon giving preference to the assembling
of an European conference at Paris.
The Duke de Grammont • has completed his
cure at the waters of Vichy,- and is about to
resume his functions as: Ambassador at:Rome.
Count de Persigny lias arrived .at. Paris.
Most of the_archbishops and bishops of France
have addressed_ circ:ulars. to the clergy of their
dioceses calling on them to recommend the. Papal
loan to the attention c their socks.

THE FRENCH FUNDS.
•1f ,1 PARIS, July 5.

3.30 k;At.—The Bourse has been very firm, in
consequence of a rumour that the affairs of Sicily
_had_been arranged. Rentes closed at Of 9,5 e, or
30 timo higher than yesterday-
G.p ti
• SARDINIA'
- TURIN, July 5.

Tho Opinione, in reference to the proposed
allianeewith Naples, says :—The Ministry firmly
adhere to the national principle, and refuse to
enter into any engagement which might carry
them away from the line of policy they have
always followed. It is necessary to temporise, in
order to neutralise the activity of diplomatists,
who thick that Piedmont, to save the Neapolitan
dynasty, should adhere to the proposed alliance.
Such an alliance is inadmissable, on awnunt
the. opposition of public opinion, s i:t
Tgg. bkrAL STATES', t •
• • •t 7 pvancait, July 3. 7
A rumour is current that a movement of Roman
troops towards the Neapolitan frontiers has taken
place.

R 01E..
I:.ita izi ! ROME, July 4.
[
2‘).::
Thq 4,014 w, Which the Papal Government has
decided upon granting are to be promulguted
shortly in a mom proprio. Among other conces-
sions the Pope grants to the enusvlta of State a
deliberative vote e.n all financial questions on
Which until now it had on,ly a consultative vote;
but thesc reforms are to be granted on condition
of the integrity of the patrimony_ of St._ Peter
.4eitig guaranteed. -

1' :: . AUSTRIA.
VIENNA., July 5.
The new Minister of Finance, Herr Volt PiQueri
has so arranged that coupons of the utitional loan
falling du on the Ist instaiAt Vi'4,l be paid in
specie, in all foreign capitals, at the rate of
2f. 45c. per tlf:y:Ak,