The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-05-21 00:00:00

influenc-r-iiirp—arrar interfering in --ifi-ue-sritir-i;
which were not within their province. (Hear, hear.)
'nis question of the excise'duty on paper seemed to in-
volve the araxadqiieetioneof direct or indirect taxation.
'O‘a, the Chamber had wisely abstained hitherto from'
laterferinewith the mode in which the revenue of the
country should be raised. The question*as not Whether
it was advisable to repeal the duty on Oaper, but what
wig
the right of the Lords on the question; and he
aught it would be unwise, dangerous, and detrimental
4 ) • .•
ote influence which he hoped the Chamber *mild
lona
lad'
possess, if they so far departed from the course
j,,la clown by their rules and the cOnstitution of the
„ "amber, as to entertain the question at all. Hecould
agree with Mr. Macfie; but Watild•Movea--, " That in
le, present position of the rinestion. as affecting the
eacise ditty on piper, this Chamber, in conformity with
,
aalesaeanaot consistently cor s'.der the motion which
Lard Monteagle has given notice of iu the Lords." •
s Mr. SHEIL fully agreed with what most of the gentle-
llien who lied preceded him had said
.on both sides. To
fau3 •Tnincl there was• no question that the Lords hada
a'ght to throw out the bald they pleased—(hear
kt that did net alter their position in the slightest
degree. That ;Chamber had already pledged itself by
giving a decided opiniOn against the excise laws, espe-
iaially against the paper duty ; and he could not for the
aae of him' see why they should give an opinion to the
,cane of Comm Ons, which the House of Lords should
have no intimation of whatever. He could not see any
`ganculty or improprietrin their approaching the, house
°I Lords, to express their objectiOris to excise laws
elierally, and the paper ditty p4tienlat•ly. He believ,ed
lathat no man conversant with commercial or manutac-
teir
ring affairs, could doabt that excise laws, with all
restrictions and Arrarigeniefas of inspection, must
necessarily be injurious to the prosperity and industry
‘'
the country. Holding that conviction, what difficulty
gold theie 'la approaching the Lords, in the most
iesPectfalaarms, begging them not • to reject that bill,
cause they thought if it became law it would be bene-
aeial'te the general interests of the public. There were
nO. p•olities in that; it was a privilege which the people
England had always exercised ; and it would be
t.inae if, because the Commons bad sent the bill up
with their approval, that Chamber should not also
-express its approval. It was a question which they
might say, without arrogance or vanity, they were quite
" well acquainted with as the House of Lords.
'tin. BUSHELL_ replied,—Mr. Shell had asked what'
4 ISca4y there was in their dealing with the question.
1.4
aaa few words he could show the Chamber what the
"aheulties weret First, they were a Chamber of Gorn-
tree, and, as the chairman had shotinhy their rules,
laaY were a body instituted for purely commercial pur-
rees. The debate which had taken place, showed that
here Was A great difference of opinion as to Whether the
allestion could be dealt with-by them.: He had already
itrl. 4 that the' people' had a right to deal with this ques-
a!lt ally way they thought fit ; but they were not the
rPie; they were a Chamber of Commerce, and the
ePresentatives -of certain bodies, of whom they were
e°lllposed. But there was this other difficulty upon the
pestion itself, which Mr. Sheil did not seem to have
ittlallY considered ; this question had altogether changed
aspect since they first considered it. When first con-
kalered it was a question whether it was wise to 'repeal
the duty an. paper, and' they Were unanimous ; , but
,hat was its position now ? Since then a budget
,;rd a French
.areaty had' been brought forward—.
al!ee their Ihere had been a retention of war
he en oil tea and sugar—since then there had
a eh an Increase of the income tax to meet this abro-
rO' the tax upon paper ;—and out of doors would
411 Y gentleman say that there bad not been an immense
a▪ hge of opinion in reference to the repeal of the paper
? They should getrid of the duty if they could,
4t not attempt it whether they could or no. ,They
;ere in a double' difficulty. First, they were: in a
tleult.y as a Chamber of Commerce, and• therefore not
at▪
led'to touch this question at alt, because it wag
Mr. Rawlins had said, no longer a commercial
(Plesticin. It hid become, .as he himself had told them,
Lgreit constitutional qaestion. low, he wanted to
ew what the Chamber of Commerce had to do with a
Feat
constitutional atiesaion. He. should protest, whilst
al.i*as a member; against its taking up a great eonsti-
,,stonril (recede*. They were not the people of England
1, they were not in the category of the three tailors of
''aleyastatet. If it was to be considered, let it be con-
;area 'bar the People, and their opinion taken whether
Was-the right time to _ repeal the *duty on paPera
aat af doors he should be happy to take part in the
reeedings ; but he humbly yet firmly protested against
the Chamber taking the question up.
ti kr. RAitthisri.—l did say it was a great constitu-
dal question, but I Said a constitutional question
ing directly upon the trade andacoMmerce of the
to 1, (tatty, and upon which we ourselves had emphatically
4nintaincecl.
•
tatr. Besnarta said he should be most happy to second
s !,.; Clint's motion, which was then worded as follows :
That this Chamber cannot, consistently with its acon-
stitutional laws, express any opinion upon the notice of
archon given by Lord Monteagle in the House of Lords
as' the rejection of the bill repealing, the excise duty on
r. AWLINS moved, as an amendment, -" That this
it'llaniber do now proceed to the discussion of the follow-
ing petition to the House of Lords That your peti-
Oenis'
now that a bill before your right honour-
tia,e house,-sent up-to you by the honourable the House •
aninons, providing for the repeal'of the-excise duty
l'an
paper, on and after the 15th of August.' ' That your
tehtioners entirely approving of such repeal, and find-
aa, moreover, that a substitute has been already pro-
nged for the loss of revenue occasioned thereby, would
abolition
honourable house to pass this bill for the
lition of the excise tax on paper as speedily as pos-
le; And your petitioners will ever pray, Szca."
a Ramat-No 'a. Rao seconded the motion.
.„.a
BUSRELL.—Can there be an amendment moved
l! a point of order? it must simply be an affirmative
oi
a negative. Move a simple negative, and then we
come to the question.- .
Mr.' SwurroN Boo= agreed with. Mr. Bushell alto-
aatheaupon.the constitutional 'principle, and the course
lthat Chamber ought to take upon such questions ; but
he submitted that there 'was a much larger question
'a:volved in the resolution proposed. It went to this
tltent, so far as he understood it, that the Chamber
Ziolouneed: for itself all right to petition the House of
rclis in reference to any pending measure affecting the
taxation of the country. He thought that could not be
intended.
Mr. BUSRELL.—NO no. We do not Wish to put it so.
BOULT thought the motion as it stood was one
t/t4'.tieh that Chamber was perfectly competent to enter-
n and dispose of; but he -was quite with Mr: Bushell,:
and I
which he believed to be the feeling of the majority
gatha Chamber,, that if the discussion was to diverge
questions of 'collision'' the two Houses of
parliamenta, and the right of the House of Lords to deal
agith the question 'as it pleased, that then they were tra-
eding out of their proper functions, and were entertain-.
g questions with which they had no right whatever to
aeal. But simply as a :question of fiscal regulation it
Of 'S quite open to the Chamber to entertain the proposal
0,, Nto t4tIOR to the House of Lords, and it was, equally
mn them to reject it if they pleased.- •
The ,GaAriumaar 'asked -the mover and seconder to
,_
ee upon the precise terms of . the motion, which was
en worded :—"That an the present position of the
tl,estion of, the repeal of the excise duty on paper, this
a.,garnber-cannot, consistently withits constitution, con-
"aler the intended motion of •Lord Monteagle."
This,was moved by Mr. Clint, and 'seconded by Mr.
Of Mt. JEVONS said the Chamber had decided the point
order by having already taken up the question),
every one disclaimed the wish to introduce politics, or
that
th kanything should pass, be said, or introduced into
e .iscussion that would turn it into a political ques-
,,?n; but as a' commercial question they were not
Laeladed from taking up what-the Chamber had already
7,..ided upon by petitioningsthe House of Commons.
hi
r; r; emthoX 'said all gentlemen disclaimed a desire
make this
,a political question. They had better
discuss the question apart from politics ; becaiiie if a
resolution
was submitted endeavouring to stop them on
ef.Paiart of oi;ler they must discuss it in a political point
new, and it was impossible to frame any resolution
Which would not be open to the objection which Mr.
ieult had opened out—namely, that they should be
it the functioas of the Chamber so as to prevent
t
eking up questions of taxation in the House of Lords..
e: agreed with-Mr. Bushell as to the undesirability of
4'`sing the question, but thought it better the diseus-
,!,.°ll should now proceed amicably, and•on commercial
'altids rather than that any gentleman should be
Prevented from expressing his opinions by a technical
taint of order. He believed that in the House of Lords
question
tio would be discussed as one of direct or
directs d
which they all knew had become in
°„1:13, e measure a political question, and upon which the
abainien of the Chamber would not be of the slightest
Oil. They were on the horns of a dilemma; and must
tast to the good sense of the Chamber for being extri-
cated from it. .
Mr. FRANMS Borax said the.question of direct and
andirect taxation was likely to occur, arid he , hoped
andbe much before the public for the next few years;
4 he did net see that the Chamber should be re-
strained, because certain gentlemen in London were
about
f to have a faction fight on a question of taxation,
taking up as a commercial question r ne which
taaffected their daily bread, which seriously affected
.I,ae industry of the country. That they should
forbidden to do so by a resolution' of their own,
"auld, he thought, be the most suicidal course they
Zala possibly take. At the formation of the Chamber
iae-had suggested that such difficulties would occur, from
e'aPortant commercial questions being made the battle-
a'4cl of parties. The question of constitutional right-
-1
e extraordinary innovation attempted to be made, was
atobably most in the Minds of all present ; but they
Zete not therefore to be denied the right of discussing
he., questibn upon commercial and economical grounds',
`"' stating their views to the House of Lords.
Camber,
FOR'WOOD, as • connected officially with the
b‘'naniber, urged the impaliay of carrying, the question
mach further. They had already freely discussed it as
i,..corntriereial.. question. The duty was materially
i'llnrious to the expansion of the industrof the country;
Je,n that the Chamber had already expressed an opinion,
tag he could not see what advantage there could be in
tarenewal of-the' discussion. On the other hand, they,
t:ehld look at the results, for they could not, it seemed
aallinfi, touch:the question without theposition of . the
gainber being materially affected. Suppose the peti-
tion of Mr. Rawlins was carried, what' would be the
aect'outaide ? People would say the Chamber, having
A,!'eady discussed the question as a commercial question,
tThat 'occasion is there now, in the peculiar financial
. have
of the country, and when political bearings
aaje been imported into the question, that the Chamber
a,,°4,111d again take it up ? They might even be charged
such not taking an honest course—that in discussing at
few they were creating a party influence. If they
petition in favour of this measure in the present
t-ton of parties, it would be said—the Chamber
it pi
n
g formerly considered it as a commercial question,
aeaas now resolved to give the weight of its name to
poritlil the Lords upon a question which has now a
ea bearing only,
Roeraeren asked hoW the Lords were to know the
haPtlin of the country, or the decision at which they
Petition arrived, except through the medium of a
trea4°ll. He should: be sorry to see the Chamber coin-
a6,What he should consider the suicidal act of declaring
eel"' they were prohibited from considering questions of
thmertaerce of a constitutional character, merely because
re Was a difference between the two houses.
sbo-il. Desiree's— Zr. Holland says it is right the Lords
k(1 know the opinion of the country. How can they
there it better than by the majority in the Commons ? Is
aenei, any argument we can take stronger than that ? I
al 'the Chamber that even a petition to the Lords
rty be „
of ea aaaa tor party purposes. The commercial part
° Petition wee settled; and he held in' his hand a

private ii from lair. ttemling, incylirelilirdisciiiged it
on purely constitutional grounds.
Mr. RAWLINS objected to" references to a private com-
munication. _
Mr. S.,BOULT remarked that there bad been no expres-
sion of opinion by the Lords except notice of opposition
by two members. j •
Mr. Bustieee-L-Why take any notice at all, then ?
Mr. Boner-Circumstances may have altered, and the
Chamber that petitioned for the bill may now petition
against it. If it were a question of increase of income
tar, or ahOlition of the paper. duty, he shOuld vote for
the retention of the paper duty. (Cries of question.")
Mi. Boum said he had seldom . heard more common
sense spoken within a given time. - It, seemed to him--
although he : was not entirely on Mr. Bushell's side,
Conservative .(a voice, "No politics ")—Corisetvative of
taxes as they stood, which he believed was their policy,
-.-he quite agreed with Mr: Bushell and the gentlemen
on that gide, that the question had completely changed
its pbase ; and he believed, if they re-introduced it, it
wee extremely‘prebable that the memorial sent-to the
Csmrnons would not. be repeated. As to the right of
the Chamber: to petition the llouse.of Lords equally as
it did the House of Commons, he did not think there
eoidd be any doubt, and lie should be sorry if any
resolutions were adOpted giying up that right. Since
the budget was introduced,. ot'ents had occurred which
-he-believed would have changed even Mr. Gladstone's
opinitm. Were tkey to petition the House of Lords to
annihilate a million and 'a half of taxes when they most
•needed them. He thOug,hte if they had to enter upon
the question, they should rather feel grateful oar:Con-
stitution was so framed that .even in the second stage
the means were afforded of :quietly checking a measure
which they might wish not set aside, but ,pbstponed.
They, were all agreed that excise duties should be
abrogated if the Country could do without them, but he
believed in his heart this was not the time_ It was against
conimon -sense.; in times go critical as these, and after
what they had witnessed within a few years, and when
they did not know what might happen within a few
hours, that they should jeopardise one penny of a tax ;
they seemed rather on the eve of having largely to
increase them: Were they to petition to take off a tax
which they believed in their hearts could not be done
with Out ?- (" No, no.")
Mr. Homs:lei) called to order..
Mr. Boum did not, wish' to travel into the general
,question. He considered that the Chamber ought not
to abrogate its power, but let things take their course.
They should not attempt to add to or slacken the pro-
gress of the bill.
Mr. Curer replied—The discussion showed that the
,question had alreedy,aesuiped a political and party cheer
rector. If the billhad been going to thp House of
'Lords in the ordinary way; they would never have been•
called together they had been called together simply
'from! its having assumed 'a party character there. He
was in favour of a repeal of the duty e but to prevent
tlee Chamber getting into difficulty and impairing its
usefulness, he besought them, for the' sake of its influ-
ence with the 'country and the Government, to abstain
from entering upon this question in its present position.
After some ferther discustion; Mr. Clinti motion was
put end lost,
eeen, members, voting, for it and fifteen
against it. • • •
• The CHAIRMAN then begged to suggest that they •
should be very 'careful in discussing the question. '
Mr. Cffirerowthen proposed, as a substantive resolu-
tion-e-" 'peat , this Chamber does cot deem it necessary
or' expedient to take any steps 'in reference to Lord
Monteagle's motion. in-the House of Lerds.' (There
were, cries of "That is the same-:it has already been
decided uPon.l Mr:Chilten said many. members would
:not; support the previous motion, ' from the precedent
that it might establish, who approved of the spirit
of Mr. Bushell's objections. Everybody know that a
petition-going to the. HOuse :of Lords would assume a
different aspect than a commercial aspect when it got
there: (Hear. heat)'
Mr. BUSHELL seconded the motion:
,Mr. S. Botrav submitted that the resolution was out
oPorder ; but thig was overruled. '
Mr. RAWLTNS then 'Proposed, as an amendment, the
adoption of :the petition to.the House of Lords which
he had preViously read, He had been told by one of '
the speakers that it Was- an exceedingly difficult thing
to discuss the question without entering into the consti- _
tational hearings of -it, , end he granted that it was so.
He had come prepared to discuss it in its constitutional
bearings, and -.regretted the absence of his friend. Mr.
Denson, whose substitute he was, and who took the
same view of it as he did. He:weuld endeavour, how-
ever, to look at it only in aeommercial sense. Another
point• which he should avoid-would be diecuSsing the•
specialities of the question. On the, former occasion
when. lie rose to speak he was met by cries—" Why the
Chamber is unanimously agreed as to the demerits of"
the tax." He should consider that they'still held those
opiniims—that they Were Convinced that- this tax was
essentially vicious in its character, and ought to be re-•
pealed as soon- as possible. 'He knew no source of reve-
nue which had been so generally :condemned. It was
condemned_ by a perliainentary committed in 1837 ; in
1838 it was condemned by a vote of the House of Cern,
mons. It had beeii condeninecl by Disraeli invery • '
strong terms.
• •
Mr. BUSHELL.—I must submit there is nothing in
the resolution which admits of discussion into the bear-
ings of the question.
_ The CHAIRMAN.—WO' have allowed a little latitude
on beth sides.
Mr. RAWLINS was saying that the tax had been con-
demned by all our leading statesmen. Above' all, it
had been condemned by the Board of Inland Revenue,
and it had been finally condemned by her Majesty's
Government and the Meuse of Commons in the bill
which had gone to the Lords: Now' what were they to
do ? He moved that they petition the Lords to pass it,
without any reference to Lord Monteagle's motion, 'or
Lord Derby's "opposition. He would admit; for the
sake 'of areument, all that had .been said about the
impolicy of giying up this £1,200,000 of taxation ; but
he asked whether it was more important to risk that
than risk a, ministerial crisis at a time when—
The CHAIRMAN—You are now on dangerous ground.
Mr. Iteeweires would content himself with moving
the adoption of the petition.
,-
Mr. HOLLAND seconded the amendment. He saw
no reason why they should not petition the House of
Lords 'but; on the contrary, he thought they should
tail in their duty to the public, to trade, commerce, and
manufactures, if they did not make known their
sentiments: -
, Mr. Busiatet, said if ever there was a question which
that Chamber shoulcltouch :lightly and guardedly, this was
the one. They had been told it was a great constitu-
tional question, involvine.great political considerations.
He said on that ground it was not expedient for the
Chamber to doal with it. It was also inexpedient,
because, since the subject had been before the Chamber
on the former occasion, it had already changed its
aspect; and, as Mreßouch bad told them, there had been
a great revolution in public opinion on the-subject.
The petition said, "your petitioners entirely approving
of the repeal." Now he appealed, in honour, whether
any gentleman in his heart had not condemnede--
Mr. RAWLINS thought Mr. Bushell quite out of order.
He was not only not speaking to the question, but was
imputing motives. ,
' Mr. BUSHELL disclaimed the intention to do any such
thing.; but he asked if anyone coming with an indepen-
dent judgment had not in his heart condemned the re-
peal otthe tax,at this time ("no, no'?") however much he
rniebtieve deiired the repeal of that duty on abstract
grounds—especially when it wastalzen in connection with
war duties on tea and sugar and an increased income tax ?
He believed that, if the question were discussed in a public
meeting in Liverpool, 99 out of 100 Would b found op-
posed to the repeal—smarting as we were under heavy
losses in every branch of commerc,e--eemarting under
increased tares—smarting under war taxes of the past,
and looking with apprehension to the future. There
were many reasons why the subscriptions to the'Chamber
might fall off ; and he felt that_ if they touched -this
question they might not only weaken their funds, but
their influence in time to come.'- He thought those
legitimate reasons for rejecting the petition. •
Mr. Sum, was in' favour of the repeal, because he
believed it, a bad and an objectionable law--one of the.
worst possible means of obtaining a revenue.
Mr. F. Bonier said some members of the Chamber
had a strong Pickwickian aversion to the paper duty.
They had not' a word to say in defence eef it: It was a,
bad, pestilent tax, not fit to exist in any country ; but
when its repeal was now Within reach they held beck,
could not tee their Way, were afraid of consequences—
they saw this difficulty and that—there was a lion in
'the path—and they were not to, petition the Lords to
repeal the duty. As to their not being able to-Spare
the revenue;' he submitted - that there was never a
Government in existence which did not take care to fill
the Q►ueenn's exchequer. -(Laughter.) -They need give
theniselveS no care; Mr. Gladstone had provided for
that: Ho bed:provided for 70 millioes of taxes, but it
appeared some gentlemen there were not satisfied—they 1
wanted the £1,200,000 into the bargain. The repeal of
the tax would be a benefit 'to the country—a move in
the direetion of civilisation, education, improved wages
and mode of living for: those who required it, and
especially it would lead to the employment of an amount
of female laboer which no other manufacture-afforded.
Ho for one was willing to pay an increased income-tax
to have this tat abolished. in reply to Mr. Bushell,
he asseeted_there_ was not otte man in a hundred who
had ever considered, the question, or whose opinion was
worth a straw,' who would vote for retaining, the tax
after it had been virtually abolished. (" Quiestion.")
Mr. BOUCH—The question is not whether this tax
ought to be abrogated, but is this the time to do it.
Mr. SPENCE, contended that this was the very time to
deal with the tax, when the work was half done already.
It must be borne in mind that it was an ordinary rule
with manufacturers and mercantile' men to consider a
financial measure as passed when it had gone through
the House of Commons. On this faith the large papers
must have already made extensive arrangements; and
then, again,under the as it had now passed, the
English paper manufacturer would be at once expoSed,
to competition with the French manufacturer,' whosee
paper was subject - only :to a customs detye equal
to the excise duty imposed; but they would not
be on equal terms, as the English maker would be
exposed to the grievous restrictions of the excise. We
wer.g saddled' with a penny additional income-tax. Let
ut, at all events, have•cheap books, as in America. In
this country books were the luxuries of the rich, and we
had to go to libraries for them. It was pleaded this was
not :the time to repeal the duty, from the .unsettled
Position of affairs on the continent., Unhappily, that
aslikelynottobcoonrtirsouefofrorusyetaorssttoopcoomure
c; a raenedr
conditiontherefore w
it would
of industrial improvement till the temple of - Janda
should be shut again. What enabled us to look so calmly
'on the tempests howling around Us ? It was a sense of
the prosperity of the country—it was the sense of an
united people contented with the progress we were
making in rational improvement. This was a step pre-
cisely in the same direction ; paper-making was the
last of the. trades subject to the bondage of the excise
. laws ; and he thought they could not meet better this
unsettled state of- things than by removing the last of
thoee obnoxious duties. (Applause.)
' After a few words from Mr. Chilton in reply, Mr.
Rawlins's amendment Was put to the vote, and lost by
a malbrity bf 13 to 10.:. e
Mr. Macfie wished to propose another amendment,
but was ruled to he out of. order ; •and Mr. Chilton's
motion was then put and carried-11 members voting
for it, and 10 against it.
The CHAIRMAN called the attention of gentle Men to
the fact that the new Customs Act comes into operation
this (Monday) morning, and it would therefore be
necessary to look at their Customs entries and bills of
lading.
. Mr. BoucH—They will know it soon enough, Mr.
President.
A vote of thanks to the Chairman was accorded by
acclamation, and the Chamber thou adjourned. •

AMERICA.

AtiRIVAI OF THE AFRICA

The British and North American Royal Mail
Conipany;s steamer, Africa, Captain N. Shannon,
arriired in the Mersey yesterday morning at nine
o'clock, bringing 155 passengers and $101,038 in
specie. Her dates •fram New York' are to the
9th instant:
The Bohemian, City of Washington, and Ten-
tonia arrived out. The Africa 'passed, off Sandy
Hook, a large steamer supposed.to be- the Asia,
and the British ships Pioneer and Dreadnought
bould in. ,
A Tesohition had pagsed the Senate authorising
a vessel to transport not more than five astrono-
mers to a point where .the eclipse of the sun on
the 18th July.next can best be observed.
A; resolution to invite-, the •Prinee.of Wales to
visit=, New York has been adopted by the New
York board of alderinen.'
MEXICAN'. NEWS, 15 DAYS LATER.—The Ma-
rian affair stilLrankled among the clerical party,.,
who talk of nothing but revenge. Forced loans,
particularly on Ameriea, was the order of the
day. 'Neither:party wasdoing,much.

CALIFORNIA, San Francisco 28th.—News un
important; -trade was isomewhat reviving.

COMMERCIAL

NEW YORK; May 9th.—There was an improved
feeling in the cotton market yesterday, and nearly 3,000.
bales were sold on the basis of 111 c for middling.
Flour, not under the influence of increased receipts, and
the character of the late news from Europe, was heavy
for most descriptions. Common and medium grades of
State and Western closed five to ten cents per barrel
lower. At the coliccession the market was rathermore
active. Southern flour was less active and ' buoyant,
though without change of moment in quotations.
Wheat was rather more active at the late concessions in
price; with :pretty free sales. Corn was heavy and
lower, while sales were moderate. Pork firmly held,
while sales were moderate..

Stockeddtive; and the price improved.
Exchange ilull, at 1 9N• to 6. •
Freights to. Liverpool, gd to 5-32 d.
Niw ORLEANS, May 7.—COtton sales to-day, 7,500
bales. Market firmer at 31.

COTTON.
(From IV. P. Wright 4 Co.'s Circular.)

NEW Yoax, May 8.

_.;
The markets in this country have continued firm in
spite of the late-unfavoitrable accounts from Liverpool,
and all grades free from dust oesand find ready sale at
extreme prices. In the South nothing can be bought
in even running lots, classing middling or above, with-
out paying at least 4c, and sometimes more, above the
quotations given annexed. The weather at the South.
is not all that could be wished, for the prospects of the
growing crop. , Within the past few days the com-
plaints are more decided.. Frost is reported to have
done damage to the crop in .ITpper Georgia, and Ala-
bania, as well as in Tennessee.. At Mobile the quantity
of rain this year in March was 1.44 inches, and in April
last 1.60, against 11.04 inches in March, and 7.91 in
April, last year. In Florida the crop is late ; on the
2nd M;iy in many places the seed had not yet ger-
minated.
. _

In this market we have had a moderate inquiry from
domestic consumers, and a small demand only kr export.
The unfavourable hecountsfrom Liverpool have had no
influence, holders being satisfied that prices cannot be any
lower, at least until the next crop comes to market. Our
spinners are not largely in stock, and their business is so
highly reniunerative, that present prices are thought mode-
rate in view of the comparative scarcity of middling and
grades above. Yesterday, after the receipt of Liverpool
advices viq. Quebec to the 26th April, per Bohemian,
there was more looking about for cheap lots, and
More disposition to operate. 'o
-day, after the, news
per Brazil, via St. John's with Liverpool dates to
the 29th April, were received, an active demand was
'experienced from spinners, exporters, and speculators ;
the sales will reach 3,000 hales, and an advance of
c per lb has been hilly established. The lower grades
previonSly depressed have advanced about 4e per lb.
The sales for the week have amounted to 11,000 bales,
closing with buoyancy at the annexed quotations. The
export foi same time amounts to—Liverpool, 1,447.
bales ; Havre, 677 ; .Glasgow; 94; Bremen, 136 ;
73;seilles, Rotterdam, 21. Total, 2,768 bales.
Transit Cotton.-Very little left, and held above the
views of buyers. No transactions during the past week.
Southern Markets.—The reports by mail aro given
in detail. By telegraph we have the' business at
Mobile and New Orleans for the week ending May
4th ; 11,000 bales-in one, and 26,000 bales in the
other, found buyers at irregular prices for Mixed lots
and parcels, with dust and sand. For all grades,
middling and above, the quotations afford no criterion
of the market. Even running middling cannot be bought
at 11!ic., and extravagant prices are paid for strict
middling and good middling when they are found.
Freights have been irregular and low ; some engage-
Monts for Liverpool in New Orleans arc reported at id,
but the latest telegrams advise a slightly firmer market -
and gives 5-16 d as the quotation: Factors are not dis-
posed to ship the very low cotton, and the probabilities
are increased that we shall hold a larger stock than usual
at the close of the season. • •
By telegraph' the following has been received :
New Orleans, May s.—Receipts for the week, 11,700 1
bales (net); same week last year, 8,766. Sales for the
week, 26,000. ' Middling, lie per lb. Exports for
the week—to Great Britain, 42,000 bales; to Havre,
none. Stock on hand, 259,000 bales. Freights firmer
to Liverpool, 5-16. per lb. RM. Sales to-day, 5,000
bales; market irregular.
Mobile, May s.—Receipts for the week, 3,800 bales ;
same week last year, 4,762. Sales for the week, 10,000
bales. Middling, 1010. per lb. Stock on hand
.105,000
bales. Eichangn on' London, 1081 to 1081-, per cent.
Freight to Liverpool, .5-16 d. to 4d. per lb. P.M.—
Cotton unchanged; sales today, 2,000 bales.

Receipts, continue on a smaller scale than in the cor-
responding weeks last year. At the interior towns, in
April, the receipts were on a very•small scale, and the
stock held on.lst May was 30,000 bales less than at•the
corresponding dates last year.
Exports are somewhat moderated, and will shortly
be light; there.is little doing for Great Britain at the
South.
Crop.—Within a few flays past the accounts are -um
favourable for the growing crop. The frosts, 26th and
'27th April, have done some damage in Tenessee, and
now we learn that further injury was done by frosts in
Upper Georgia and Alabama. In Florida the seed had
not germinated on the 2nd May, owing to unusual cold
weather and the want of rain. ,
The following is a -statement of- the movement in cotton
since the Ist 'September last as compared with the previous
four years

1860.. 1859. 1858.._ 1857. 1856.
/tn. at P0rt5...4,243,000 3,505,000 2,777,4104 2.779,019 3,221,000
Ex. to G. 8.... 2,324,000 1,616,000 1,330.000.1,195,000 1,537,600
„ France 537,000 368,000 322,000 334,000 433,000
„ other F. P. • • 414,000 480,000 283,000 351,000 438,000
Total E-cp0rt5...3,275,900 2,463,00011,©40,0001,900,000 2,408,000.
Stock on hand 575,000 408,000 600,000 335,000 440,001
Of which, during the pact week, included in the above :
Rec. at Parts._ , 32,000 40,000 65,000 20,400 52,000
Ex to G." 13.
„ France,
„ other F. r : 15,000 ' 11,000 ~ 19,000 3,000 12,000
Total Export;
, SUMMARY---Racvrrs .Inerease at the ports compared
with la§t. year, 738.000 bales. Exeonrg.---Increase to Great
pritain, 709,000 bales; increase to France, 169,000 ; decrease to
other Foreign ports, 66,000. Total increase in exports, 812,000.
Failalirs.-To Liverpool, id to ••32d per lb., and to Havre
;c.

EXCITATIOE.—On London 1 cosi to 1081 per cent, and, on Paris
5 12itto 5

LIST OF PASSENGERS PER R.M.S. AFRICA.—Mrs.
Westler, Miss A. Roy, Mr. 5, Brooks and lady, Mr. W.
o..Hieks, .Capt. W. H. Hunaphrys and lady, Mr. L.
Gassier' lady, and child, Mr. P. V. Volkenburg and lady,
Mr. J. M'Convilla and lady, two infants, and servant,
Mr. G. W. Jobeas and lady, Mr. P. 8. Mills and lady,
Mrs. A. Waller, two children, and servant, Mrs. A. 8.
Johnston and child, Miss Lamb, Mr. E. Jacob; Mr. V.
Martin, Mr.•L. H. Lane, Mr. G. B. English. Mr. L. M.
Walden, Rev. J. Jenkins, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. D. Don-
Mr. W: S. Donnan, Mr. H. Cawline, Mr. Thurmar,
Mr. J. Warden, Mr. M. Cohen, Mr. R. L. Cumming,
Mr. S. H. Hammond, Mr. Pleott, Mr. J. S. Bondman.
Mr. Gillian, Mr. W. G. Baine, Mr. Luinarer, Mr. 0.
"Gardner, Mrs. Jenkins and daughter, Mr. F. Heangnes,
Mr. ,W. T. Poole; Two Misses Baldwins, Mr. H. Lam-
bereand lady, Mr. S. A. Wright, Mr, W. S. Barton,
Mr. W. C. Raiford, Mr. J. Harvey, Commodore Stock-
ton' servant, Mr. W. Vyse, Mr. S. Ford, Mr. J. Green
and lady, Mr. ILEYntis and lady, Mr. B. H. Mayer,
Rev; R. Bernet, Mr. J. Tanarlaun, Mr. A. Christie,
Mrs; H. Caselmore, Commodore Stockton's two maid-
servants, Mr, Durah, Mr.' A. S. Gaue, Mr. Gassier's -
man-servant, Mr. D. S. ,Tears, Miss J. R. Shed-
den, Miss ; A. J. R. Shealden, Mr. E. Brevet
and two children, Messrs. J. Husch, V. Bree-
dean, J. P. Oakley, -- Jackson, A. Titnstle, H.
TowSsaint, J. Schmid, A. Bicchoff, Maumby, T.
Rothchild, J. Agueste, J. D. Bray, T. De Leage, T. D.
Paret, D. D. Williamson and lady and son, S 4 Lord,
lady child and servant, Bruce, 11. Dadley,
Goodman, J, B. Hall, J. Young, jan., J. Young and
lady; R. „T. Minhan, S. Lane, J.Pickerton, A. Pollock,
J. Banzigen, A. S. J. Parry, E. Langdon, lady and ser-
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LIBERTY OF SA.TIRE IN THE UNITED STATES,--Some
Englishmen have commenced the publication of a daily
comic paper in New York city, called 21/oinus. They
are said to have graduated at Punch's college, and so
may be supposed to understand their trade, but in their
very first number they have, without in the least
intending it, managed to tread on the susceptible toes
of Jonathan. Their principal illustration is called
'1 Going out with a bad odour," and represents an
expiring candle, the flame bearing the face of President
Buohanan—a face as uniak.takeable to the American as
that of Lord Brougham to the Englishman. This very
harmless joke, not half so severe as many jokes that
your Fleet-street neighbour has thrown off at such men
as Wellington and Palmerston, has caused even
Republican journals to get half angry, not at the hit,
but at the action of Englishmen in daring to criticise or
satirise an American functionary ! There's liberality for
you, of the true Republican stamp !—Letter from
Boston,

LIVERPOOL,- POLICE COURT.-SATURDAY

(13efore lcir. RArrixsl)
STEALING MONEY.

A youth, naiiiied Michael Nyland, who was in the etrtploy-
ment of Mr. Edwin Carver, St. Anne-street, was charged with
stealing money. Mr. Stuck was fot the ekefenet. It appeared
that the lad had been charged about thiree weeks ago, and has
been in prison on remand since. The charge against him, in
the first instance, was with stealing £7. He now admitted
havidg taken £3. In reply to Mr. Bluck, a person from the
establishment of the prosecutor said the prisoner was in the
employment about nine mdnths, and had behaved himself very
well, and there was nothing against him before. He was sent
to gaol for one month with hard labour.
WHAT PAT O'NEILL GOT FOR NOT EATING A
HERRING !

Francis Madden, a resident of Marybone, was charged for
having committed a dangerous assault on Patrick O'Neill, a
resident of Sawney Pope-street. The complainant had his head
bound up, and seemed to be in a weak state. He said, on Fri-
day night week, about twelve, he went into the shop of one
James Cannon, in Sawney Pope-stileet, to light his pipe, as he
was only just returned from the army, having fought for his
country, far away from his true love. The prisoner was
standing at the counter, eating a herring. Will you have a bit
of this herring ?said the prisoner. No, nays I, I don't want
any herring to-night; I want only to light my pipe. Better
men than you have eaten herrings, said
,the prisoner. No
doubt of it; says I; and when I was out in the army fighting
for my Queen and country, I eat worse fish. Oh, says
ho, you have been out fighting? I'll fight you for 2..
Gd. The witness declined, and having lit, his pipe, he went
out, and the 'prisoner followed him. When they got into
the street, the prisoner came up to him, and says he, as you
would not cut a piece of a herring, nor fight, I will settle your
" hash" for you, at the same time striking him three desperate
blows on the head with a stick, that left him insensible. A
person wbo came up and saw the prisoner beating complainant
with a stick on the head, said he stopped him. A surgeon
stated that the complainant had three severe cuts on the Ir'ad,
and he was much injured ; he was not able to be out since.
He was a little better now, but he complained of the sight of
his left eye, and the blows on the head might cause a dimness
in the eye, and the injury might be permanent. In reply to
the charge, the prisoner said he was drunk, and did not know
what happened, but when he became sober, he felt he had
received some injury in the ribs, though he had no marks. He
was sent for trial at the sessions.

(Before Messrs. J. AIKEN and PEEL.)
A RAD FATHER.,

John M`Pherson, a master cooper, living in Oldhall-street,
was charged for having cruelly treated his son, a fine lad of
about 9 years of age. Mr. Bhick Was for theprisoner. It
appeared that the prisoner is a widower, that Ile is much given
to drink, and for a long time past he was in the habit of treating
the poor lad most awfully ; he would come home drunk, and
whilst in that state would beat and kick the.boy in a most scan-
dalous way. Besides this, he kept him almost naked, and often
without food, and at last,!a Mrs. Knowles who resides near the
•prisoner, communicated with the police, and the result was the
charge. The case was fully proved, when Mr. Bluek said he could
do nothing under such circumstances, but he would ask for a
remand, in order to have some proper provision made by his
client for the support of the boy by his father, which would be
the best way to settle this painful case. The request was acceded
to, and the case stands over.

The Government has purchased alarm of 160 acres,
near Colchester, as a military drill krotind.
The Government have fixed this dening for the
Attorney-General to proceed with his Bankruptcy Bill.

DEATH or BYRON'S WIDOW.—We have to record
the death of Byron's widow. This lady, who was horn
in 1794, was the only daughter and heir of Sir Ralph
Milbanke Noel, Bart., by the sister and co-heir of the
second Viscount and ninth Baron Wentworth. On the
death of the-other co-heir, Lord Scarsdale, in .1856, she
succeeded to the barony of. Wentworth by Writ, the
viscounty becoming extinct. She was married to the
great poet in 1815, bilt the 'union, as is well known,
Was a mdst nrihappy dne for both the husband and wife.
Their only Child, Ada, was niarried to Earl Lovelace,
and died in 1852.
FATAL SAILING-BOAT ACCIDENT. THREE LIVES
LOST.—At an inquest held by the coroner at Bright-
lingsea, on the body of Mr. Thoinas Sadler, a gentleman
residing at Maldon, Essex. It appeared that the deceased,
accompanied by his two sons, and two young gentlemen,
left Malden in a half-decked sailing-boat of four tons
burthen, attended by the boatman, for a pleasure trip to
Brightlingsea, which they reached in safety. About
half-past eight in the evening they left to return, the
wind setting fair for Maldon. They had made about
four.. miles wheh a sudden., squall' came on, and the
deceased, who was steering, as it struck the boat unfor.
tunately put the.belm the wrong way, when the water
rushed over the stern, swamped the boat, and the entire
party were immersed. r Mr. Sadler, his son, and another
were drowned, and the, bodies of the two latter have not
yet been:recovered.

DISTRESSING CAse.The inhabitants of Edinburgh
few days beard,with painful surprise
that Hector Mackay, son of the late Mr. Charles Mac-
kay, of the Theatre Royal, Edinburgh, has been tried in
Canada on a charge of murder, and being found guilty
by the jury, has been Condemned to be executed on the
7th of June next. From the few particulars which have
reached us, it appears that Hector Mackay held the
office of a constable, and having been ordered by a
magistrate to pursue and secure a fugitive from justice,
a struggle ensued, in which, as it would seem, for
self-defence, Mackay drew his pistol and shot his
antagonist. Supposing this to be the nature of
the case, one cannot _understand how the act could be
construed into the crime of murder ; for there was
obviously neither premeditation nor malice prepense to
invest it with this setious character. At all events, the
unhappy young man, as We understand, lies in prison in
Perth, Canada West, waiting the dread execution of the
law. The intelligence of the circumstance has given
the greatest possible pain to all who remember the many
excellent and genial qualities of the late Mr. Mackay,
who may be said to have gained a world-wide celebrity
by his personation of the immortal Bailie Nicol Jarvie,
of Sir 'Walter Scott. Moved by every good feeling, a
humble and' respectful petition to Sir E. W. Head,
Governor-General of Canada, has been signed by a large
number of our leading citezens, headed by the Lord

Provost, praying that his excellency will take the case
of the unfortunate Hector Mackay into his merciful con-
sideration, and commute or remit his sentence. The
petition left by the mail on Saturday, and we earnestly
trust that its prayer may be successful, at least so far as -
commuting the capital punishment.--Scotsinmi.
A Novrx, TOBACCO MANUFACTORY.—A young girl,
named Caroline B—, was arrested a few days ago for
selling what was supposed to be smuggled tobacco, but
she positively refused to say where she lived, and it was
suspected that she was connected with a regular gang,
carrying on their fraudulent practices on a large scale.
It having been afterwards discovered that the parents
of the girl resided at Belleville, M. Outzwiller, a com-
missary of police, went to the spot indicated, which
he found to be an isolated house, communicating
with a garden, and well calculated for any illicit
operations. Having knocked and rung several times
without having been able to obtain admission, the
commissary, in a loud voice ordered the door to be
forced. This order produced the desired effect, for the
door was opened by a man. On entering the place a
strong smell of tobacco was perceived, and lying about
were a quantity of wrappers with labels of different
kinds,.such as Maryland, Levant, Virginia, &c. In an
adjoining room was a woman lying in bed, apparently
very ill, and the commissary did not disturb her, but
proceeded with his search through the other parts of the
prenlises, where all kinds of apparatus for the manufacture
of Spurious cigars, and also a quantity of powdered wood,
cbippinga of burnt leather, and other substances, in-
tended to be used in making a composition sold as
snuff, were found. On again entering the room where
the woman lay, the commissary, who had begun to
entertain suspicion that her illness was feigned, and
that she had thrown herself on the bed to conceal some-
thing under her, ordered her to get up. This she at
last did, and beneath the mattress he discovered a sack
.filled with ends of partly burnt cigars, probably picked
up in the Atreets or cafes, and which were to be used in
the remanufacture of new ones. The man and his wife
were arrested, and sent off to the Prefecture of Police.
AMERICAN MODESTY.—Nobody doubts that, we are a
great people. The fact stands out as plainly as the 4th
of July or the battle of Bunker-hill, and is illustrated
in a thousand different ways. We have the handsomest
country, the biggest lakes, the longest rivers, the highest
mountains,, the most extensive railroads, the,best and
worst of newspapers, to say nothing of fast men, fast
and beautiful women, magnificent babies, and ten thou-
sand Other illustrious objects of glorification over which
a patriotic Yankee will wave his hat and shOut hallelu-
jahs until he is hoarse. We furnish the gold, grain,
and . cotton of the world. Our earth produces the
• largest crops, our air flies the highest balloons, our

waters float the fastest steamers and clipper ships, and,
to finish with the elements, nobody will deny that we
get up some of the most extravagant conflagrations and
illuminations with which an individual is likely to come
in disagreeable contact this side of eternal perdition.
Steam has become our serving man, the lightning our
errand boy, and, to employ a local term in a general
sense, our broad continent is "grid-ironed" with rail-
roads which carry to and fro the riches of the world.
More than this : we teach the rest °of mankind. Our
country is the school-house of ,the world. It is here
that the present -Emperor Napoleon learned sonic of

those lessons by which he has' so well profited, which
have taught him to employ, the electric telegraph upon
the field of Solferino to convey his orders from point to
point, to patronise manufactures, encourage the inge-
nuity of his subjects, develop the resources of his
empire, and to pursue that course in his relations to
his 'people best calculated to enhance their power—in a
woril, which have demonstrated the fact that Louis
Napoleon is nothing more nor loss than a live French-
man in Yankee breeches, Wo are emphatically a live
people. We invent, improve, and progress—sowing
mind and reaping wealth. We have talent, energy,
enterprise, and opportunity, and whatsoever our hands
have found to do we have' generally done it with.all our
might. " Advance" is the order of the day. The old
sucoumbs to the new, and in a short time an obituary
notice is all that marks its former power.—New York
Herald.

The Opinion Nationale states as a positive fact that
the Xing of Naples, wishing to bestow an especial mark
of his royal favour upon the notorious Maniscalco, sur-
named the hangman of Sicily, has appointed his. son (a
baby three years and a half old!) to be receiver-general
at Capua.