The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-10-18 00:00:00


THE TICHBORNE TRIAL

HUNDRED AND FOURTEENTH DAY.

The Court requaembled at twelve o'clock on Mon-
day.
The croseezarahiatlon of 010g0g NAMI WM resumed.
Mr. Hawkins Do you remember the date when you left
Melbourne I—Witness : I cannot tell the date. It was on the
second occasion in the early part of August. lam sure it
was over the 15t of August. —Wm that when yen went to
Bendlgo P—l went through Handle.° on that occasion.—Can
you say how soon after you arrived in Melbourne that you
saw this vessel— was she lying there when you arrived '—Ye..
It wee about three weeks.
The Lord Chief Justice : You don't knew how long she had
been there I—Wltnees: No . it was about three weeks attar I
arrived at Melbourne that 1 went on board that vessel.
Mr. Hawkins Her cargo was then all out of her 'I
—Wit-
ness : No; I think think the cargo was in her.
. It is not • question of thoughts, but of what you maw.—

I saw no cargo.
Mr. Justice /doh : Had she been loaded again ?—Witnees :
I can't say whether it was outward bound, or inward bound.
The Lord Chief Justice : If you did not see the cargo. how
could oou tell itwu In herT—Witnees: By her position in
the water.
Mr. Hawkins: Did you see her position in the water?—
Witness : Yee; but I cannot say exactly how high or low it
Was her foresail on her ?—Yes; but the others had been
lent down
Into what part of the vessel did you go I—Merely on the
deck.
Did you read any name on her ?—1 would not be certain
whether I saw her name or her master's on the stern ; but I
believe she was. Baltimore vessel.
The Lord Chief Justice : What did you gee as to the lama
of the o,prey !—Witnese lam not certain whether I saw the
name on the tinwter or on the stern.
Mr. Mae tans Will, c swear Mull—Witness 111
us to be sworn again.
The Lord Chief Jenks :it t, merely an emphatic way of
tilting the question. A witoese always answers on him oath.
Mr Hawkins: They don't always remember it.
The Lord Chief Justice it la only reminding the witness of
the obligation. Are you sure you saw it either on her stern
or on her quarter I—Witneas : I believe so.
Mr. Hawkins : In what lettere—Witneas ; I don't know
what letters to call them. Ike ordinary letters.
What do you call the crdinary letters? If you saw any-
hing written upon her you must know where you saw it :
-I am not acre where I saw it; but I dld see it, I can
the loiter', butt cannot call them by name.

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That you swear I—Yes.
The Lord Chief Justice. I thought you said you only
thoneht you saw Ill—Witness: I am sure 1 saw the word
Baltlm re.
Ifs. Hawkins : Wu that an —Witness : And "the Osprey,"
bat I am not certain where I saw it.
The Lord Chief Justlee: Where dld you see the word
"Baltimore / "—Witness •• On the stern.
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Mr. Hawkins : Thai you do remember t—Witness ; I am
almost posittve of it.
Was there anything ebs on her stern except " Baltimore r
—I am almost certain, but I cannot eay.

It you recollect seeing " Baltimore" you mit be able to
give on Nome description ot 7—i might have men the word
'Baltimore," and not another name.
Did you me Baltimore and not another name t—l am not
potttive.

Have you a recollection of the position of the word
Baltimore I--It was not In the antes
Do you mean to say you remember that 7-1 am not poet
lye. se I stated before.
You are not positive you saw It at alit—l believe I did.
And you think you saw It mere on one lido than the other?
-Yen
That ts all you remember having seen on her stern?—
hat 15 .11.
Mr. Justice Mellor: ire you quite sure you saw the words
" Osprey' and" Baltimore" on the sameMde t—Witneas : No,
my lord, I am not.
How do you know the ship was not named the Balt smore,
and not the Osprey 1--I take It for granted l/ her name had
been the Baltsmore it would have been In the °entre.

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Mr. Hawkins: Do I understand you to say you hays a re-
eollection of seeing the name I—Witness: Yes The name
might have been on the quarter, or it might have been on
the stern, but my position on going on board would hinder
me seeing more than one side.
The Lord Otdef Jostles: What position did you speak of ;
Did you go round her stern going aboard of her I—Witness
No. my lord. It I had done sot might have seen the whole
alit.
I only want to know what was your position which enabled
you to see her name I—l rounded the boat on her starboard
quarter, and she being • round stern boat I could see clearly
the name which appeared on that starboard aide where
" Baltimore" ought to he; whilst I could not see the name
which we, painted on the post side.

What led yon to go on board?—l manly heard that an
Americas:vessel had arrived.
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Mr:l-notice Lush: Where should you think you maw her
—Witness: On her starboard gustier. We boarded her on
h•r_starboar.4 .

—.Mi. Hawkins :—Then want only her starboard side that
you saw 7—Witness : That was all on deck.
Did you see her stem at all 7—l saw a portion of it
How near where you to bet stern I—Close under 30 or 30

yards away. -
Mr. Jostles Loot: Who did you see on board t—Witnem
I only saw ono individual; I don't know who he wee.
The Lord Chief Justice: An officer of the ship 7—Witness
A kind of ship-keeper.
Mr. Hawkins: 1)14 700 see the captain t—Witneas : I did
not.
Or the mats I—Not any officer that I know of.
The Lord Chief Justice: What boat did you go In 7—Wit-
fleas: One of the watormen's boats.
Mr. Hawkins: By yourself
If r. Justice buoy: You say you heard of her arrival ?
M Hawkins: No, my lord.
Witness : Two othen that came from San Frandlco.

Mr. Justice Mellor Wu thatall you hoard /—Wltness :An
AfileriCSll ussei—a trash arrival.
Mr. Hawkins : You never went on board again Witnesi—
No.
Did you ever see her again ?—No.
Nor anybody belonging to her 7—No.
Did you go on board any other vessel that day or during
your May in Melbourne ?—No.
Were there many Tinsels In Hoban's Bay t—A great
number. -

Do you recollect the names/—No.
Can you give the name of any other vessel in Hobsona
Bay I—Not one
And this you have decided Is the only raisel of which you
ran give description I.—The only One,
Did she show any colour. i—No, she hsd no colours flying.
Are you 11106 01 that i—Quite sure
Do you know anything of the regulation ef the port of Mel-
bourne ?—.Notieng whatever.
Did you ire any other vessel fly the national colours 7-
- nf them.

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Was it not the universal practice l—Not that I am aware
of.

—li It that you did not take folio, 1-1 have aeen that vowels
like to sport the colours ; but sometimes captains are afraid
of their bunting.
Mr. Kellenly : He has meld that he has seen the English
vessels flying the colours.
The Lord Chief Justice: You say there weip &great many
vessels In the bay I—Witneu : Yes, my lord, a great many.
By Ms. Justice Mellon How many weeks altogether were
you In Melbourne at this particular time!
Witness From the middle of Jane until the ist of August.
I don't think the Red Jacket was s very large vessel. She
was about 1,200 tons. She la nothing like double that aloe.
I was then having a bit of a holiday after working hard. I
was following no occupation. I only went into the bay on
the occasion I saw the Osprey.
The Lord Chief Justice: You went on purpose to iie• the
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