The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-10-04 00:00:00

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THE TICHBORNE TRIAL

At the sitting of the court on Monday (the hundred and
fourth day) the cross-examination of John Greenwood,
formerly regimental tailor In the CarabWeer', was continued
by Mr. Hawkins. lie was aaked several questions about the
box of Roger Tichborne's clothes which he saw In the de-
fendant's house at Brompton, and said he only examined the
regimental Jacket and trousers, and measured the latter.
Ile Lad no entry of the measurement of Roger's trousers
In his books. The measure of trousers inside the seam
down to the welt of the boot would, after a man
had done growing, remain the same for life, bower,/
stout be got. The measurement of Roger's trousers must
have been entered somewhere in his books. Ile looked for it
this morning, but could not find It; bat his books were in a
very dilapidated state. If he had measured him in Ida own
quarters, he would have entered it in Ms pocket-book. The
button produced (the Hampshire Hunt button) had
upon It the Prince of Wales's feathers, beside the
letters "H, H." His account against Roger was paid
shortly before he left England. The biU was made
out in the ordinary course, and would be • dopy
of the ledger. It would contain • Mt of the articles delivered,
and include the hunting and driving coat which the defend-
ant mentioned. tie retired from business six and • half
years ago and left all his books at Canterbury. When he was
first inked the height of' Roger he said It was about
b feet 7Z inches, bat he was speaking from memory after
twenty years, and he would not be certain to half or three-
quarters of an Inch. He did not recollect saying at
the last trial that Roger had a strong French accent
when he left the regiment There would then have been no
difficulty In discovering he had a strong French accent, but
there mu a great difference in it between the time of his
Joining and going away. He forwarded a copy of the printed
aft invite to Colonel Custance. Lie believed that McCann
was in no persoris service be'ore he entered the perdu of
Roger. At BrOrOptoe Carter brought down the box of clothes.
He had not kept any of MoCann's letters.
Re-examined: When he saw the defendant he thought the
French accent had entirely gone. Roger's chest was offal?
average size for hie age and height, and was well formed.
He measured the defendant six months before the last trial,
ant three was a difference of about half an inch between his
height and the size of Roger's trousers. At far as his
recollection served him the defendant was only a shade taller.
He believed he had been represented as much taller.
Mr. K enmity sent for Roger's trousers, but Mr. Hawkins
said he did not wieh to have them measured. The learned
counsel also suggested that the defendant should be at once
measured outside the court, but that was not done, Mr.
Hawkins stating, in reply to the Lord Chief Justice, that he
did not dispute the measure taken by the witness.
Mr. Kenealy called attention to the fact that a letter ad-
dressed by Lady Doughty to Roger at Steuhurst bore the
date of November 8, 1848, whereas it was represented by
the Crown that he area not there after Anglin in that year.
The Lord Chief Justice sald the year had been inserted in
pencil by some one.
Mr. Kenealy believed that the letter had come from the
custody of Goateed.
Arthur Wyatt, photographer at Fareham, Thuds, said he
had been lustructed by Mr. Guildford Onalow to take photo-
graphs of the mill at Client°. He produced several views
and explained them. One was a view 01 the grotto to which
the miller's daughter referred in the course of her evidence
for the defence. She described the grotto as an &none of
, trees 1, 0 feet long, with stones on each side, but the present
witness showed • view of what he geld • as the grotto proper
at the end of the avenue ill t. long by 15ft. broad.
Croseexamined : Mr. endow said he should like the he
tutor of the grotto to be given, but he did not say why. lie
did not give him instructions to show nothing but the grotto,
nor not to show the footpath. He also made a photograph
of the cairn at Mr. Onslow's suggestion Came up to London
last Friday, and explained the photographs to Be. Onslow.
Did not know Lord Rivers, and could not say whether he
wee present.
The next witness was James Hobson, a carpenter at Gains-
borough, who was formerly In the Mb Dragoon.. In 1951
he was mounte 1 orderly to Colonel Soudan, brigaller-
general, at s• Ine mar oeuvres in Pitman Pert, and was sent
to the commanding c ttioer of the C.rabineers for an ahle-de-
camp. Colonel J 'nes told Mr Tlchborne to proceed with
an orderly to Colonel Smarted. lie (witness) rode with him
back, and C beet Scaring, after paying Sir. I Ichborne a
compliment, said he did not require his services, as an officer
of the teh had taken his plus. The troops were out on that
occasion two hones. Ile had a perfect recollection of Mr.
Tichborne, hut never saw him except on that day. Ile had
a good—fs fearful—recollectlon of faces. (Laughter.) First
saw the defendant at York at the rale of Pale horses In
August, 1971. Colonel Swinton, of the sth Dragoons, asked
him to go and see if he could identify Sir Roger Tictiborre.
He kuew the defendant the moment be saw him. In his
Judgment he was the same officer he met In Phosalx Park.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sediment Parry. I knew him the
moment I saw him. I had not • &bade or shadow of a doubt
When I was in the army 1 was known to haves good memory
of officers' faces. By a fearful recollection, I mean • good
recollection. (laughter.) (we. considered to be one of the
smartest men In the regiment.
James Martin, a wood carter and carpenter, formely in the
navy, and who, among other decorations, wore the Victoria
Cross, said he bad been a professional pedestrian. In July,
1862, he went to Canterbury, and remained there seven
months. Knew Mr. Tlchhorne, of the Carabineers, and
talked to him at the " Waterloo " Hotel and the Fleur reeLy •
Tavern, Canterbury. Mr Ttchhorne was present at a match
he ran, and took a liking to the shoes he ran in. He presented
them to him, and he gave him half a sovereign Had walked
with the Roman Catholic 'Millers whom Mr. Tlchborne took
to the chapel at Halm-place. Ile was himself a Roman
Catholic. Saw him on several occasions talk to &Ilse Hales,
and on others make his obeisance to her. Oa two or three
occasions he detained the troops after they left the chapel
and had been formed before he muehed them oil; and he
had heard the men murmur at being detained from dinner.
The defendant win Mr. Tichborne. The witness then de-
scribed the colour of Mr. Tlchbornes hair and the other
peculierlties so repeatedly deposed to by other witnesses,
and soil his " twitch " on one occasion nearly got him into
trouble. At the Fleur de Lys two ladles thought Mr. Ticle
borne was winking at them, and he (witness) toot the
matter up smartly, and said It was Mr. Ilchborne's
habit. tie knew Mr. Tichhorne had small feet. he
cause his ruining eh es. which were sevens, fitted him.
Mr. Tichnorrie tried one of them on, and he sedated
him to lull off ifs hoot First saw the defendant a few days
ago at lie. Ilucourt s office; but he did not know him at
tint His likeness to Mr. Tlchborne, however, grew upon
him. The saltness described the features and the walk, by
which he recognised him.
Cross-examined by Mr. Hawkins: Began to be a pro'easional
pedestrian at seventeen years of age. Was now fifty. While
he was at Canterbury he was engaged in running matches
and training professionals. Lived in Gravel, lane, Soul hwark-
street. A short time ago saw an advertisement stating that
communications were to be addressed So Poets'-corner, and
he asked if his evidence would be of any me.
Why did you not communicate with the defendant before
—Because I did not think my evidence was worth much.
Mr. Hawkins : I don't think it is. (Laughter.)
No other question was put to the witness.
Sarah Ella, the wife oft carabhmer who was examined the
other day, said that when Mr. Tichborne's servant was away
she used to take water to his room, and had seen both his
arms bare up to the elbows. Saw no tattoo marts. First
saw the defendant a few months ego at a pigeonehooting
match at Nottingham, and recognized Mar
The next witness was, on the Orton part of the ease, •
butcher named Travatt, who said he had been to Awstralla In
1852, and went first to Adelaide, where he stayed about
twelve m diths. After at he went be the digging.; Ant, to
Cutlemaine, and then to P.endigo—• mining dietrict so
called, and then he went tea place called "Sailor's Gully,"
and there he was until the end of 1356, as near as he
could say. After he left there he went to a place called
Bryan's Range, or Gsirogower, and there remained about
lour months, and then he went on to " Abooker," a mining '
district so callel. He could not any how long he was there,
as he was there iieveral times. As soon as be got there—as
near as he could recollect in 185 t—he became acquainted
with Arthur Orton, who was a "hanger on "to a young
settler who came down with a flock of sheep. Witness
wanted some alieep (for food), and offered to slaughter
them; the settler said he had a butcher to help, and this was
Arthur Orion.
Mr. JOALICe Metier: How did you know him?
Witness At night we talked together as to where we
came from. I said I came from Leicester; he said his
lather was a large butcher living in Wapping, and that his
name wee Orion. We were together about a week. I
quarrelled with him, and he came behind and struck ma I
said I would tell the Commissioners what I had heard of
him, that he hat pushed a man off his horse Into the river,
and had taken his hone, and I went off to the Commie
'loners to tell them, but before I had got there I was called
to by a friend and told that Orton was gone. Before this
we had for a week many conversations. Asked to describe
Orion, he salt-11e was a man about 51t. 10in. high; he had
a scar amuse the cheek; his shoulder bones were large ; his
cheek bones prominent: his hair light brown; his ears
had • small ring In them; his feet were uncommonly
large, and one of them turned out; his Melds also were
large. He had a villainous look, and I thought him • Motet-
of leave man from Hobart Town. His voice was loud and
gruff, and vulgar; and he used plenty of oath*. Be was •
big, bony man, who used to be called "Big Arthur." He was
a narrow-chested man. He used to talk about Lonoon and
shout sa'esmen in Newgatemarget I caked him about
Wapping, ant he described it sea place where boats cams
up. 1 afte.rwards law a party of bushrangen who shot a
woman and child, and I was told he was among them. I
remember the defendant coming to Leiceger hut November,
and that we. the first time I ever saw him. I went to see
him there, expecting to see Arthur Orton, but I found a very
different kind of man from what I had expected. I said to
him, 'Do yon recollect my throwing a tomahawk at you r'
He said, "No."
nie Lord Chief Justice—Yon have not mentioned the face
hefore.
Wise had thrown a tomahawleat Orton on the oiteb.
Von of the quarrel. 1 said I recollected that Orton had •
cut or ens, across his cheek, and the defendant said, "Yes
are eight; he had." I said also, "He had high cheeebones,
which I don't see upon you." He said, "Then you feel sa-
tisfied lam not the man?" and I said, "Certainly not." Ilk
voice also was different.
Mr. Hawkins, to croseexamination: Is there any resem-
blance in the features I—l don't nee any. No trace of alike
nese to Orton I—No, escept that he may be about the same
height Your first sight of defendant was last November/
—Lad November lime long did the Interview lad I—A
quarter of an hour or go. Did you attend the meet.
log e—Yes. Did you say you really could not tell '
whether he was the man or not f —No. Nor anything ,
to that effect?—(A pause) No. I may have can he '
might be about the same height. Did you my the hair
was similar said It was brown, but the other was
light and this dark. Did you nay the hair was similar? —Nu.
Did you say you should be of no rise as a witness, as you
could not say whether he was Orton or not, but that his hair
was similar ? Did you say that ?—el said I could not swear he
was not an Orton or a Norton, or any one else, because I
never knew the man at all.
Mr. Justice Mellor : What man I—This man (the defend.
ant). I have said I would not swear he was not the man,
became I did not know tam, butt said this was not the man
I knew In Australka
Yon say you said you would not mine he was not an
Orton, had any ether beim mentioned 1-111).
DM you not may So one Komi list you could not swear to