The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-11-16 00:00:00

THE COURT.

lt-ALT,AEY COMILISSIONERS.

il 4
• Tlie ii&.,t;ng of tote Wall.isev Commissioners I
Wtsaiso uZsErr ,Nov. 14.
was last ereirin,- the ilahlift-ellie'ez'f at Wallasey. t• There was no addition to the Royal' dither party
Tpopchav Nras',..occupies 1. 'Ntr. 11:,-11ei; and the-other yesterday.
treinliers )3verll\ ertitie, The Queen and Prince Consort, accompanied by
P!3iirWlr; Prineess• Alice, rode out on horseback this morning,
. THE FEllitifiS TOR PIERS,' I: attended, by the Hon. .Eleanor Stanley, the Equerries
The CHAiiimAN, in his op niing'reVatW;'fffriA'atatin,g. , Waiting, and Colonel Biddulph.
the object of the flieting, entered .I'n the afternoon Ord Right Rev. the Bishop of
speech, expressing- his regref.that the atte„ndance of kite Carlisle' hhd,' an' ,audience of her Majesty, and did
members was so . very small on such *an important homage. The Bishop Was introduced by the Right
occasion. If, he said, the board had only to select Hon. Sir G. 0: Lewis, her Maj'esty'S Secretary of State
boats which might prove unavailable, they. might be for the Home Department.. 'rho Hon. and Rev. B.
sold again, and the township sPared any extravagant Southwell Keppell, Deputy Clerk of the. Closet in
and'ittintOessatt expenditure: should the landing-stages, Waiting,_ assisted in the ceremony.
lidw'efit;ptote thiseita*.s. for landing And embarking Sir G. Cornewall Lewis had an audience t)f the
ti'assertgers,' all, the Money ogpenocd At the investment Queen.
would , be.. totally lost; and -,,tire• boat'd. Itottid have Lord Harris and Lieut.-General Sir Henry Bentincl
6sen'tial that the tner,t were Lord and Groom in Waiting.
perfect tnail . tat ;.;ta,, adopted, xrid
then carried out, eftectnailii iitherWbe,all• they had
done in, appealing. for certain poWers to TidAintactii,E fhb
Preliminary negotiations for the entire poSsessionof-tyc
ferries, and any and every part of their late pfoceedings
would prove at present useless, and even of no ultimate
Yalue, He sincerely hoped that they would set aside all
pieiiorts .conehisions they might. have. formed, ;look
calinly at all glans, argil 'arrive deliberately at'
a :correct concluiion as 'tof would prove most
beneficial not only to the present hilt iueeteditig genera-
tions. There were four plans which must take
`There were two prizes of £5O each for the best,platis far
piers for New Brighton and Egremont, and two prizes'
for the second best. There were in all fourteen plans
before the board; and he suggested that each member
should.
best
such as he considered the most suitable
and best. He entered at great length into the merits Of
the, plan numbered 3, bearing the s'ignature or motto of
`t-PraetiCal..nd cunttastin it With others sent
in, especially` to,l'oiable. Stages, Which he said Were
uncertain in added; eciso inrOVed of the rafts by
bad. weather, tides, and collisicils, to:great and
expensive wear and tear, and annoying pedestilana
more especially ladies, from the fact that the planks on(
the footpath were necessarily some distance apart. 'He
considered that although it would cost in the outlay
double the amount of some of the plans received (No.
6), would be incomparably cheaper than the moveable or
any other stages; for,it was almost everlasting in dura-
bility, and eery Mitch Safer far passengers. He appre-
hended that it Would. Meet With oriposition front the eon-
ser*aters of the river in Conseqiiencef of its great
projectioninto ,tribe river. Alluding .to the Georgela
landing-stage and • the WoOdSide Ferry Slip, , he
stated that the encroachment oil the river amounted
in all to 1,500 yards; and tOtitefided thht
in the face of such a fact the Admiralty ,could not sue,
cessfully refuse to sanction iK this instance an encroach-
ment of only 11,000 yards. Indeed he felt pretty
certain that if the Admiralty were appraached in a
proper spirit by the board, for the public good, they
would be fairly met, and their desire would be ,o.ranted
in the same manner as was that of the Hull public .on
a former and similar occasion. At all events he very
well 'knew that if they did not try, they conld not
succeed ; if they .tried and failed to succeed, then
.the Maine would rest with the Admiralty, and- the
present and Mitre geteratiOns would be satisfied •that
they liad.do'ne•theirfliity to the tatepavers of the town-
ship. Another objection advanced. agirittit the No. 3
plan was the cost which its sklOption inVolfte:
That, however, was a great mistake, th6Y find
that the best and cheapest pier was the one Which vi,o4a
stand for ever. At present,
.certainly, the sldp
might 'be advantageously replaced by moveable stage's ;
the latter,, however, would never be exempt from the
evils which he had named.

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MR. DRlOTirri M.P., AND STRIKES."

The followinsiretfet aiT this y!ubject has been
addressed to the. editor of the Time.s by T. M.
Mackay, Esq., of this
Six,—l -have perused with some attention a letter
frdm Mr. Bright; M.P., to a friend in Blackburn, on
the subject of " Strikes," and observe his strong et-
iression of opinion that an extension of the franchise
is the only hopeful remedy for this economic heresy.
?'ow; to visit Melbourne last year, where
end *rotilatibrf is in the full enjoyment of univer-
sal suffrage- and i.:ote by ballot, and it grieved me to
find that the building, trades, as well as otherslzheere
absolutely blinder to their oWir interests than if
lived in England and couldn't pi for a, house at' the
rate of 4s. a week. Their nominal rate dwages is 14s.
to 16s. per day of eight working hours, whiqh, ftom the
altered circumstances of the colony, positively forbids
the employment of more than one-half, if so many, of
their numbers, 'Sind only for the lavish expenditure of
-dofernThient hitherto in public building not one-third
of th'ein would. be at work.. Out of this sum a large
weekly alkoWance is paid into the club fund for distri-
bution auldng the Unemployed, and this absurd system
'has been prosecuted for years by virtue of the influence
of the leaders in the nylon,. Who talk down all remon-
strances after the most Napoleonic. fashion.
Many of the poor fellows complained, in terms of
sincere regret, of the condition of their bondage, but
none had the courage to break it, and the attempted
enterite of which we have heard by this mail, no doubt
arises from the anomalous condition of the labour-market.
My own sympathies are by no means reactionary; but I
confess that it shakes one's confidence in the propriety
cf extension of the franchise when we HA, by such
experienCe 4s i have referred to, that instead of its
working out the political regeneration of the working
classes, it plunges them more' deeply into the slough of
misrule, and is giving them a taste for that most cursed
of all mistaken remedies in such a case—physical force.

SIR HERBERT EDWARDES ON OUR
INDIAN EMPIRE.

•
In answer to a question;
The CRAIRMAN replied that the working expenditure
of. the New Brighton Ferry, would, after alterations had
been made, amount to something like £lO,OOO per annum.
Mr. CAINE had no doubt whatever as to which plan
was intrinsically the best, unless they took existing
tinfortilnete cirtuntstances into consideration; the Board
howe.Ver had, td deeide, he apprehended, as to which pltn
was the nielst suitable tinder the circumstances. He went
on to say that pleisslbli the Adtriiritlt): would or could not
refuse to sanction the reciuired encreatlittient on the ,
river; still he thought that a refusal Was peresiblei if not
probable.' ' • , , , _
After an explanation had been made by the Chairman,
and Mr. Caine had repeated some of his alreadyenunciated
opinions,
Mr. HILL remarked that there were only two ways of
viewing the question. They had two plans to adopt.
Now, were they to adopt the best, apart from all circum-
stances over which the inventor had 'no control, and of
*hieh lie might not be aware ; or the plan thq 'con-
sidered the most suitable and practicable under existing
ciecurastanceS. a eoriairred in the chairman's views.
NO. 1 plan *Vs ,eertainlke the best in. the' room; but
. when. they reflected that they could riot make the
necessary encroachments on the rifer ih order to carry
it fully into effect, he thought it shotild net bci rebeived,
and certainly he should vote against it. .
Some further discussion took place, and
The CHAIRMAN explained that when the plans, were
invited, it was undoubtedly .understood that the hest
she'ald reCeire,the prize. The fact keine- established, he
contended that the b'o'ard had no right Co take into con-
sideration any circumstances might prevent them
from carrying any plan they thought Zest into effect.
The board immediately determined to let the plans
rest upon their eivn merits, irrespective of any other
consideration, and proceeded to select the most deserVing.
No. 'S was awarded the first prize of £6O ultimately ;
and the following is a description of the pier according
to the plan will be a raised platform or stage, sup-
ported bt 'strong east-iron pillars at a. distance apart,
longittiditially of i2O feet; with the space bridged with
wrought iron girders, and the tcetelway' formed of planks
laid upon transverse wrought-iron girders. 'The stage
thus constructed is proposed to be carried out on one
level about 884 feet, to terminate in. ~an enlarged
rectangular space
.supported by additional columns,
.and provided with stairs for landing and em-
barking passengers at all heights of: the -tides.
An ornamental lighthouse will be attached,-as-well as
all other appendages proper to a landing-stage suitable
for a large poinittitioni all being executed in a manner
to defy the effects of time and storms. There is at
Gravesend a pier on the same principle; and constructed
in, nearly the same manner, which has proved satisfac-
. .
tory. The cost is guaranteed at £18,750.
The board proceeded to decide the merits of the best
pier at Egremont. " Practical and Sure " had sent in a
plan for competition ; it was, however, considered
-clumsy in some of its details.
Mr. Hill proposed that No. 14 should. be awarded the
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priZe.
"
Mr. Caine moved el aieedinent, in favour of No. 2,
but withdrew it ultimately. . .
No. 14, the only plan proposed, was endorsed with
'the noun de plume of " Old Dock Yard-man."
.The CI-unix-vs explained that No. 14 plan was sub-
stantial, and in reality would be less liable to disturb-
, ante, than ordinary moveable stages. It .was feet
wide, heavy, and would descend by its awn weighteVen
into the sand. It would be worked by hydraulic power,
and the invention bore evidence that it was the work
of a really practical man. 'From the,. specification' it
appeared that the pier would show a very- broad ,plece.
of masonry, being 60 feet wide, formed into a regular
gradient of 1 in 22, and carried down to's 'distance sea-
ward that will admit a steamer to, "come "to" at '(low
water) 21 feet tides. Upon the slips, will be laid
three lines of rails. The moveable stage will con-
sist chiefly of iron, It will he very heavy-300' tons
altogether-225 feet long, 48 feet wide, and divided
into two parallel roadways—the one for landing and the
other for embarking—mounted on strong wheels and
axles, and having, :a roof carried on neat columns the
length of the' ntovirig stage; The sides will-be boarded,
for greater peotectiottfrotu the weather. It is expected
that the great breadth of the moving stage, resting,
as it will do, on three points of support through-
out its entire length, and also its intrinsic i
we_ght,
will enable it .to resist any strainefor weather, or of
mooring, vessels, to which it can be exposed. Three
methods of moving the stage are laid down—two of
these depend on hydraulic power, the third having its
power in a counter-bolancing weight fixed within a
tower and well. The cost is estimated'at £15,000.
The prize was unanimously awarded to the inventor.
The , second prize for. the ,New Brighten Pier was
awarded to the inventor of the plan bearing the no' na de
plunie of " Aptus ;" and the second prize for the Ege-
uient Pier to Mr: Joseph Simpson, of Manchester, the
inventor of the landing-stages on the Liverpool side of
the Mersey.
We have no space left to describe these proposed
structures.
There was no other public business before the board.

On Wednesday evening the first lecture of the 16th
course, in connection with the Young Men's Christian
Association, was delivered in Exeter-hall, by Lieut.-
'Colonel Sir Herbert B. Edwardcr,f K.C.8., his subject
being " Our Indian Empire."' , Mr. R. Bevan occupied
the chair. cud on the platform were Sir John Lawrence,
General Alexander Lawrence, Messrs. G. White,
If. Tf. galtOri, 1. Corderay, itc. The hall Was crowded.'
The Rot. E. Anrie4 opened the meeting with prayer.
The Chairman einreeed his great pleasure in intro-
ducing Sir Herbert Edwardes fo' the meeting. He -was
alike pious and brave, and he was thotonghly qualified
-10 address them on India.
The lecturer then came forwaid, and Was loudly
hpplauded. He said the unchangeableness of the,,East
had passed into a proverb, but that could only apply to
its social state: Politically, the East was the land of
revolution. Its vast plains had invited and absorbed
race after race in every age'. It had been said that the
constitution of Russia was a despotism •tempered by
assassination, and .it might be said that the condition of
" /mica was one of conquest aggravated by change. The
lEfindoos were not the aborigines of India. At a period
drititig not less than a thousand years before the Chris-
tian era, a tall, slight,Afre•coloured race,, of the line of
Japhet, came clown from Central Asia upon_ the plains of
India, and drove out the small am/ swarthy descendants
of Shem, giving,thus early a striking fulfilment of the
'Scriptural prophecy, "That God shall enlarge Japhet,
and he shall dwell in the tents of Shwa." . It was
also a striking circumstance that.the Hindoos and their
European conquerors were of the same race. • it was
truly wonderful that this enormous empire .should be
ruled by a handful of white men, and that the people
of these small islands should have transferred the
empire of so vast a continent from the banks of the
Ganges to the banks of the Thames. "(Cheers.) After
sketching at sonic length the early history of European
enterprise in India, the lecturer observed that it seemed
strange fd as; in days when even Italy was free, that
even in the fifteenth' century England was not at liberty
to . send ships round the -C?pe of Good Hope: The
Pope in a bull took upon himself to draw a line round
the world, and to- declare that all on one side should
belong to the King of Portugal, and all on the other—
to the .Bing of Spain: (Laughter.) This line .wai
broken through by the enterprise of our Elizabe-
than navigators, but in •the first instance We had
no idea of conquest; we only went to India to trade.
The lecturer then traced minutely the offorts of
;the English to establish themselves in India, remark-
ing that even at that period we should not have sought
empire there if we had been allowed 'to trade in
peace. Great credit was due to Dupleix and Le Bour-
donnais for having conceived the idea of building up a
European empire in India, though they had sought to
obtain power and dominion for France. But a man was now
to- appear- on the scene whose patriotism was equal to that
of the Frenchmen, and who was superior to them both
in military genius----lae meant Clive. After dilating on
the history of Clive, the lecturer dwelt on the contrast
between our first small adventures in trading to India,
and the great empire now under our axle: He could
not say that all that had been done left no stain on our
name. Things had been done on which truth laid her
reproving finger and cried " Shame, shame," but on the
whole we had not got India by design or policy; it was
not the thing we coveted, but was forced upon us
against our will,
.and in opposition to the declared
policy of every government. It was said that we had •
done little in the way of public works, owing to the
constant cost of exhausting wars. But we really had
done a great deal. After enumerating the public works
we had erected, and showing how much had been done
by private enterprise in constructing trunk roads and
railways, he. went on to argue that the great error of our
policy had been the withiolding, of the Bible. The
Indians imagined that if Christianity were true we
should give them the knowledge of it. Our system of,
education .tnade many deists and infidels, but ha
doubted if it bad made one Christian. Clive, with all
his faults, was wiser and more Christian than his suc-
cessors,
for like Sir John Lawrence; another, great
man, he was guided .by our conscience, and not by,
the Indian conscience, and lie welcomed the missiona-
ries. On- the whole we had done much good, and
abOlished much evil, though he mmt own with sorrow
that we had omitted much. Notwithstanding all oh-
•stacles there were now in India from 150,000 to 200,000
Protestant Christian's. The Bible had- been printed in
.many dialects, and a Christian literature had been
established. The native churches had been so far orga-
nised as to be capable of self support to a great extent.
Havinz'dilated on' the advantages of the upright admi-
nistration of the law and the civiliiing influence of rail-
ways, he proceeded to consider the question—" What is
to come of it ?" India could only be kept by a wil-
ling, a prosperous, and continuous submission ; .and to
secure this. result he argued at great length and with
much earnestness that we must develop Christianity
amongst the,people. While they were contented under
our rule, no foreign power could take the empire from
us. It might yet be suggested by those who reduced
everYthing to a matter of trade, that we' ought to
abandon India as a concern that did not pay, to look
after our own affairs, and leave the Indians to do the
same, telling them that if they wanted any broad cloths,
Sheffield cutlery, or pale ale, we should be happy to
'supply them on the lowest terms, and take indigo and
cotton in return. (Much laughter.) The 'English
people would never consent thus to turn their back on
God's heritage. There was another way in which we
might give India up. He trusted. a feeling would
arise that we must fit India for
,freedom, and then set
India free ' • but until Christianised India was unfit for
freedom. When Christianised, she would be unfit for
slavery. As we now cried out Italy for the Italians, we
would then cry with a louder voice, India for the
Indians. This •he believed was what God meant we
should do with India. God grant that we might do it,
and do it well. (Great applause.)
The chairman conveyed the thanks of the meeting.
to Sir H. Edwardes, and the proceedings closed with the
doxology.

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Lord John Manners has left town for. Hnghenden
Manor, on a visit to the Right Hon. B. Disraeli.
THE WORKHOUSE ComaiirrEE.L—The ordinary weekly
meeting of -this committee was held.vesterdav in the
board-room of • the Workhouse, :Brownlow-hill Mr.
Messrs. Whitty,
Smith in the Chair. The other guardians present were
Shaw, Peck, and Denton. The goVermir
reported that the number in the house last week was
2.169 ; this week. 2,231 ; being an increase of 62 on
the week, and 240 as compared with the correspondinr,
period last year. The medical officer's report having
been submitted and examined, the board rose. '
TOXTETH GUARDiANS.—The usual meeting of the
Toiteth-park Board of Guardians was held yesterday
morning, in the
.board-room at the public offices, Park-
road. The chair was occupied by Mr. AlpasS. The
other members present were, Messrs. Moss, Carter,
John Wilson, H. Layland, Baines, Joseph
Wilson,
Hunter, Harrison, Hughes, and Siddeley. £B7 Were
voted to Mr. Potts for out-door relief. It was deter-
mined that the seal of the board be attached to the deed
securing £3,000 at 4* per cent. per annum to the
Metropolitan Insurance Company. The names of
Messrs. Henry ' Layland and Baines were added to` the
list of the gentlemen composing the Visiting Committee.
There-being no other business the board adjourned.
THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.—The scientific section of the
Historic Society held their meeting in the rooms in, St.
.George's-hall last night, Mr Mayer in the chair. There-
was a large attendance of the members of the society.
A deed on parchment, entitled
duplicate, being a list of fines levied, according ton the
value of their possesSions, on reputed Papists: in 't
ofe
•Prescot division of the West Derby County, by three
..the commisaimiers,appointed for the pu!posef underetaeidi.
act of the ninth year of King George 1.,"
"Papists' certificates andh
by Mr. H. W.' Harrison, of Castle-street.
_There
mill Also presented a copywritten to
of 'a letter f .
wast presO
in 1784.
to,, the election of Sir W.
3ieraevery interesting
a brother, a Freeman .in the coultilv, re erring
Mr. J. J. Towson, F.R.G.S.,
the deposits ,- 9f the
)1e- drew: a contrast
between
auriferous fields; of the
and instructive paper on the groled:fields of Australia.
county of Cornwall and tcltireatpa
d his lecture 1;1' a well-
Australian empire.
, designed diagram. 'heel!
saidlu
with ' the gold fields
question in connectioni
lt
there. was one important
depth they could . be
of Australia,
mines of Cornwall, that
whe-
ther they were like,tat coppern
t a considerable ;depth with
they could, be exca ' ed
worked, or whetlaiesr tthhoceywN'vere only -superficial, or •
1
Ballarat, the site of which was. a deep alluvial
c of advantage. He gave an. instructive-account of the rid
gseveral strata of lava, matter evidently
extinct volcano in the neialibontlibod,
n
strata contained earth mixed-with quartz.
and the under . .
of the lecturer that the
it was, however, the opinion
with
advantage. Australia could be worked to any depth with
mines in , • .
The meeting was. subsequently addressed
i ' sfooli'lg°dnbtayillainnow .
),.
. . other members of the society. The following dona-
tions have:been received by the secretary of the society :.
llemoirs of the Royal Astrononiidal Society, vol. 28;
proceeding's of the Royal Society, No. 40 ; and The
Quarterly Journal of the Geological Society; No. 62k

Lord Stanley has left Knowsley for Hughenden
Manor, Bucks, on a visit to the Right Hon. B. Disraeli.
THE STRONGEST ARGUMENT AGAINST CAPITAL
PUNIsnmENT.---Dethroned tyrants are not hanged.--
Tun eh .

CORONER'S INQUESTS.—Yesterday the coroner held
inquests on the bodies of an old woman and a young
child. whose deaths were caused by being burned acci.
dentally. Verdict accordingly.
MELANCHOLY FATE.—Mr. Edward Limmer, a youth
Oi left Disc on.Sa.turday,evening for the purpose of
driving to East Harlincr,. The night was very.dark, and
Mr. Limmer in crossing Roydon-common missed his
road, and drove into a deep clay pit full of water, in
which he was found next morning drowned. Mr. Lim-
mer was a verramiable young man, and his untimely
fate has excited deep regret among a very wide circle of
friends.

THK . BOURDON AND THE BLACK P4INCE.—We
have the best authority for stating,' that Francis IT. the
ex-King of Naples, has declined, with thanks, the
asylum which has been offered him by the Queen of
Spain, and the Emperor of Austria. - The dethroned
monarch will reside at the Court of a royal brother,
where he will feel much more at home than he probably
)would 'evnn in. the Imperial Palace.- at Vienna. His
i'l*sty has decided on accepting the hospitality 'of the
King, of Dahomey.—Tunch•
Fiturr PRINTING.—A German journal, the Agrono-
mische Zeitung, publishes the following :—" At Vienna,
for some time past, fruit dealers have sold peaches, pears,
apples, apricots, &e., ornamented with armorial bear-
ings, designs, initials, names, &c._ The impression of
these things is affected in a very simple .mannera fine
fruit is selected at the moment it is beginning to ripen,
that is, to take a red colour, and paper in which the
designs are neatly cut-out is affixed. After a while the
envelope is removed, and the part of the fruit which bas
been covered is brilliantly white. By this invention the
producers of fruit may realise large sums."
THE QUEEN AND THE NEW ZEALANDERS —At the
close of the native conference, Mr. M'Lean called upon
Heni Kingi (a Wanganui chief) to step forward, and his
excellency presented'him, in the name of her Majesty,
with four very handsome and valuable staffs, with silver
mountings and hearing the Royal arms, for himself and
three other chiefs who were not present at the con
ferenee: His excellency observed' that her Majesty
desired in this way to acknowledge the services rendered
to her Majesty's Government in New Zealand by tfiese
chifs \ and the appreciation of the very beautiful mere
pounantou presented .to her "Majesty last year by the
Rev.,R. Taylor on their behalf. Hod Kingi aAnow-
ledged the honour in a very appropriate manner, and
the conference testified their gratification .by loud
apAause..—Aluitralian and .i.Yew Zealand Gazette.
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