The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-05-08 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT•

HOUSE OF LORDS.-YESTERDAY.

The Marquis of Clanricarde, on the appeal of Earl Granville,
withdrew a motion he had placed on the paper for the pro-
duction of communications with France, on the subject of

Savoy.
The Manchester Corporation Water Bill was read a second
time.

The House adjourned at half-past five o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-YESTERDAY.

The Speaker took the chair at four o'clock.

Mr. HADFIELD asked the Secrptary of State for Foreign
Affairs whether there has been a revisioa of ;the stipulations
which regulate the commerical relations of the Porte witi
other powers, or in the position of foreigners resident
Turkey, and whether a deliberation has yet been opened a
Constantinople siace the conclusion of peace between the
Porte and the representatives of other powers, with the view
of attaining the twofold object in such a manner as to afford
entire satisfaction to all legitimate interests.
Lord J. Russiu.. said that repeated efforts had been flied°
to improve our commercial relations with Turkey, but hitherto
without success.

Mr. VAxet asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland when it is
his intention to introduce the bill for the better regulation of
the Irish Ecclesiastical Commission.

Mr. CARDWFLL replied that the bill would shortly be intro•
duced to the House of Lords.

Mr. NEWDEOATE asked the hon. member for Dundalk when
he intends to pr,iceed with the bill respecting Roman Catholic
Charities, upon which the Secretary of State for the Home
Department has informed the House that the bon. member
has been in communication with the Government.
Mr. BOWYER replied that he had been in communication
with the Government in respect of the bill, but it was not yet
ready.

Sir S. NORTHCOTE asked the Secretary of State for War
whether any addition of troops has been sent to or placed
under orders for China, beyond the number stated in this.
House by the Secretary of State for India on the 24th day 01
February last? what is the amount of the addition, if any
and whether it been made by the despatch of troops from
India or from this country ?

Mr. S. HERBERT replied that the force despatched to Chills
was 13,000 men. If the contest was protracted, it would of
course be necessary to ask for a further vote.
Mr. WALTER moved the adjournment of the House, for the
purpose of making a general explanation relative to himself
and the hon. member for Stroud (Mr. llorsman). He had, la
his speech on the Reform Bill, recommended that the passinf
of the bill should not involve an immediate dissolution. 311".
foreman had given him notice that he should, on Thursday►
call the attention of the House to this part of his speech,
coupling it with an article in the Times to the same purpOrt.
Mr. Horsman had not done as he had said, and in consequence
he had himself written to Mr. foreman, stating his own
intention of bringing the matter before the House. Ho had
no knowledge or connection with the article in question. He
was, it was true, greatly interested in the prosperity of the
Times, but he was in no way connected with it in editorial
capacity; and he warmly deprecated the allusions made i 0
that House to articles in newspapers, as derogotary to the
dignity of Parliament and injurious to the tone and character
of their debates.

Mr. HORSMAN, after explaining the reasons which prevented
him from bringing forward the subject on Monday, entered
into a detailed statement respecting the circumstances referred
to. On entering the House, on Mouday last, he was informed
that a compromise had been entered into, with respect to the
Reform Bill, on the basis of a £l5 franchise in counties and
£8 franchise in towns, and a condition that there should be se
dissolution for two years. The last suggestion had been made
by Mr. Walter, in his place, and by the Times, in a leading
article, which article further contained a violent attack on
himself. This was a proceeding, in his opinion, unworthy of
a member of the legislature, and which he felt bound to bring

before the notice of the House of Commons. He proceeded
to comment at length on the connection of Mr. Walter with
the Times, and read letters from himself to Mr. Walter, cow
taining lengthened attacks upon that journal, and noticing,
amongst other things, tke personal attraction exercised by

Lord Palmerston over the editor, or the anomalous position or
Mr. Lowe, or the Treasury Bench. He attacked the assumed
irresponsibility of the press, admitting that it should be
independent, but denying that it ought to be irresponsible.
He proceeded to comment on Mr. Walter's position with
regard to the Times, and the secret agency which he employed
in writing the article of that journal. Mr. Bright, whom Mr.
Walter had assailed for speeches made by him out of door:,
had at last spoken openly, and on his own responsibility.
Lord PALMERSTON said that it was true that he had been for

some years the public man of all others the most abused by
the press; but he had survived it all, and had not thought it
worth while to rise and complain. Replying to the reference
made .to his influence over the editor of the Times, he said
those influences were purely social. That gentlemen not
others of all shades of opinion under his roof, where all, as he
trusted, spent a pleasant evening.
Mr. Disan.xtf rose to endea tour to extract some useful result
from the debate; and added his protest to that of Mr. Walter
against the practice lately adopted by members of Parliament
of making quotations from anonymous writings in the morning.
journals. He added that they should not be too critical as to
the proceedings of the press, which had neither the protection
nor the responsibility of the Government in legislature, and bi
whose comments most might profit, and which on the whole
were of the highest advantage to the whole community.

The motion was then withdrawn.
The adjourned debate on the Wine License Bill was re'
soured by

Mr. ATRTON referring to the enormous number of small
refreshment houses in the great towns, who by this bill would
be compelled to pay taxes to the Government and were placed
tinder the supervision of the police. He further urged that
the union of drinking wine or spirits with eating would be
injurious to the public morality. As the law at present stood►
all reasonable opportunities for companionship and enjoyment
was afforded by the existing law. From the temperament an°'
position of the working classes, temptations should be kept oat
of their way, and their habits ought, as far as possible, to be
guarded by the legislature.

Mr. Liddel and Mr. ilia opposed the bill as injurious tee
the morals of the people, while Alderman Salomans supPorte4
it as calculated to suply a great public want.
Mr. VINCENT SCULLT considered the bill a most demoralising
one, and should give it his decided opposition.
Mr. IiMIDERATON thought that a slight alteration in the.
licensing system would effect all that was good in the present
measure, without its objectionable tendencies.
Mr. ;AXES condemned not only the corrupting influence of
the bill, but its injustice to vested interests, and to the iggs
class of persons who had invested their money in existing
establishments.

Mr. VILLIERS defended the bill, which offered every eecurdA/
that those who sold intoxicating liquors were trustworthy 947
responsible persons. The provisions of the bill were adopted
after careful and ample evidence adduced before the wish
committee. The argument against the bill was this, not the',
people should abstain from wine, but that they should, r;f;
drink it except where spirits were sold at the same time.
argued at length against the evils of the existing system, 144`,
in favour of the poliey of accustoming the lower classes to a'
when they drank, and breaking through the habit of Will
strong liquors.
Mr. HENLEY said that the provisions of the bill were dira6l/
opposed to the unanimous report of the committee, of whicb
i
the right hon. gentleman who spoke last was chairman, stil
which he seemed to have altogether forgotten. He protested
against the pressure put upon those small dealers who .r.„
red herrings or sweetmeats to take licenses ; against PI
interference of the police with ;every young woman who ti t
an orange, which he supposed was a refreshment; atoP:"
the invidious duty imposed upon magistrates of virtual
l,
persons unheard and in their absence, in referciPii
to which practice he quoted the advice of Lord John Rugg,
to the young King of Naples, wherein the noble 10'
must have had the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his sr;
1 he bill was, he said, got up by the police out of revenge, Wit I
a dash of folly in ;it. The competition of two classes -‘ll,
houses already caused much mischief, and they were o° t
asked to increase the evil by introducing a third. He did lio4
believe that the bill could be amended in committee, g'
strongly recommended its withdrawal.
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Mr. BUXTON said that the London brewers, one and se,, t -.4
refused to join the agitation against the bill. VIM,
personal reason would induce him to support the bill. wif
reflection compelledhim to oppose it, on the ground by
its tendency to promote intoxication. The precautions taken, t
the bill were virtually none at all. He urged the Govern2o*-4
to withdraw the bill, and introduce another placing Wise stuat
spirits on the same footing, and strictly reforming the pre.'
licensing system.
Sir M. PET° should support the motion, believing that
many objectionable proposals contained in th%bill might heVo
after be amended. His own experience in various parts °ititio
world led him to the opinion that a wine thinking poPuli-
was the most sober.
renew
Sir W. MILLS would support the bill, if the tax on
ment houses were taken out of it, which would be $ g
hardship upon small freeholders.
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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that --,,,, pat
objections to the bill were on matters of detail. He
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wish to fix precisely the class of houses which were to taP:re
licenses, the hours of closing, and many other Ina' es.
treated in the bill. Hp did not mean. to Wheere
the liability to take a license on all houses w'soi
refreshment was sold, but where it was systematic te4
sold to be consumed upon the premises. He bad adlefe,
the formal wording of the bill, as to the police, 4a-
rence to the report of the committee and the rev:ma's aa
tion of the police magistrates ; but on this head, "-
others, he was quite willing to submit to the adviftic
an•
the House in committee. It was impossible t° to
bills of this kind without having special vil n" coy
final arrangement in committee. They were bound' 7„aitl
sideration of the present state of society, to give oPP""aoni
for the consumption of light drinks to that large class Of Pen" the
who were unable to dine with their families. After refutil.
assertions of those who declared that the measure would enoa
rage drunk enness,contrasting the inebriety
of England with th
sobriety of the Continent,be asked the House, in the face of all the
evidence before it, if it was prepared to maintain,
unchanr
the present vicious licensing system, which shut out all OP'
sideration of character, stimulated the use of spirituous lieu r"
and injured the morality of the
population.
After some observations from Mr. Newdegate in oppoelt
to the measure, the House
divided on the amendment that tP
bill be read a second time that day six months.
The
amendment
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On the motion for the second reading of the Census Ore
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bill was then was
read nerseticvoedisd btyime 267 to 199; majority',.
l and) Bill,
pat
be
Mr, V. SCULLY could not see why the census should n'"
taken annually in Ireland.
Mr. CA.aowELL observed that the census would be Cs
out by the constabulary at little or no expense.
The bill was then read a second time.
The other orders were then disposed of and the , slOO
adjourned at one o'clock.

The financial position of the Friendly Societieo °f
T the
United Kingdom is shown by a return just issued. pot
amount received during 1859 by the National
Commissioners from trustees of Friendly Societies woo
n 5,075. The gross amount paid to trustees of
£92,555; and the balance due to there a 00 190

the year was £2,001,754. ethe
It was stated last week, before the committee es t' r.,
House of Commons, over which Mr. T. B. Horef3ll' '7lOll
presided, that the Hull Corporation and the, iing
Trinity-house levied in differential dues upon 0111)t
he
using the port of Hull last year £50,000 ; thattole
Trinity-house devoted their share entirely to Cheerlia.
objects, and that the corporation transferred th— •
the borough fund. At.
THE EFFECTS OF THE WEATHER ON Tll4")"retard'
Daily News says the lateness of the spring " The
ing business in a vast number of internal chanuetmd of
present generally favourable condition of trade ;a the
employment is therefore the more satisfactory'
ve been
°
drapery and some kindred branches payments h. sellingw
thrown into ear through the difficulty 01 ivZ angoods. The advent of warm weather wad" g
f branches'
immediate spur to trade in a great variety
cause a freer circulation of money, and stir: lila° /344.‘
fidence in harvest prospects.