The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1866-10-30 00:00:00

AND AGRICULTURAL GAZETTE, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 30, 1860

They must have sometideg to say to kb people away,
no they said Weyinoutb was not drained; he thought it
wee jolly well drained; all of them who pay rates know
they hail been thoconfihlY d'ainedl—(norl•ose and
lau.thter,) They bad to day an opportunity of saying
whether they would adopt the proposal of one of the
MII4 eminent ongineeN that they had ever met, • Tan
whose reputation stood iii the first position on tile subject
of Irainuge. Mr. li•wkeey had •taied his views Xi the
Council, hot on that werivion the representative* of the
pleas stele kept out, which ought not to have been done
—(applause.) Every man who paid rates and taxes, and
had a house of his own. ought to have an opportnnity of
koowing the manner in which "the intellectual
gentlemen" who held a position in the Town Council
took 10-see-ion of their pocketv—(spplanae). Up -n
that nem mion, whether by acceient or otherwise, the
peens wag not there. lin did not Main.. anybody; it
was not a general meeting, lint one called by circular.
bul in Push a vital matter sic felt that the town ought to
have the full at information. Hot, 00rIling to this
emitter in • businms way—they had bad various parties
uvitig their / to improve the town; he believed
they had got an hone.% and conscientious man as nor-
veyor. at Vie present time—he had perfect coifidence in
Mr. George Seaman, and if he (Ur. George Seaman)
had the eonfi fence of them of out of dmies. he .ould
have the confidenoe of the honest portion of the
eeople ; and he would lay out their money to their
advaiitave, and they would not be going into • scheme
involving an expenditure of E'2O,OOU or E 60,000, or
oh •tever it inight be—(applatoc.) They intrit be
aware flint on the other aide of the water • great deal
of money had hero laid out—(hear, hear)—and • great
dm( hal been ,xpended on this side—(applause).
Three-ports of the town, in his opinion, were as
effectually drained as they could be done by Br.
it,riek.l,o man (eppisuse, and "bra,,, bravo.")
Wes all that money to be swamped ? (" no, no.")
Were they to be made so ridiculous as to pull up those
chains an I treat them as naught ?—(oheers). Mr.
Ifawkalev's report can good and richt—(" We don't
want it")- -but he said they had accomplished two-thirds
of the outlay required already (lout cheers). Their
pocket, had, been drained by retell 'for the drainage
already existing, and he would say "WI at was well
done let them leave alone"—(aPPleuwi). If they liked
to adopt Mr. Ifirielesley's report let them adopt it, but
let it he carried out under the surveillnnoe of their own
surveyor, expending C-600 or £lOOO a-year, without pull-
ing to plea.. what had already been done—(loud clieeri).
For himself, he would not agree to live in the place and
bring odium upon ito and to ;mulish the pockets of the
ratepayers, br adopting this scheme. But it wu'an oat-
of-door question, rather than for those who were sent to
the Town Council ; and the privilege of the ratepayers,
who could not go to the Council and 'peek their minds,
was to do se on that necasion—(applatrie).
Mr. W. LOWMAN &Asa what depth Mr. Hawke's, in-
tended to go by his plan at the statue?—(oonfusion, and
cries of "The plans—the pimp.")
. . .

ParascrittY ssid n‘-aeltiti'onal plan had been pre-
pared, ea they cost so much money. But they had Mr.
Ba.e.y.e.plane.

1.0.W11411: I will venture to say no one in the
Connell knows anything about Mr. Bury's plans.
Mr. PoTHICART : And Pe • grist henell tto the people
out of door. th .t the town don't either—(hur, bear. and
laughter) Mr. Ha•ksley his no plan •he hasonly a
report. He had no inductions to make a plan.
Mr. Lowicuf said he wanted to know about the
depth—(lnterruption, cries of " aitiMown Lowman."
"hear the man." "turn him nut," kr.). Weymouth,
if drained at all ,nut be drained artilleally. Mr. Bury's
plan was a goad one, but it would cost clot of money.
But there was not one in an hundred who made um of
the present drains. The Bslvidere, Glonoorter.row,
Roval•territoe, Frederick•pluo, St. Thomas•street,
Mary strret, down as Wm Pigeon's corner, to Maiden.
street, New-street. (and there was arty a portion of St.
Arhin'a-row drained,) were very defectively drained.
If all ths refit.° wu emptied into the Backwater, the
town was poluned. Mr. Bary'a plan was to carry it oIT
in butes—Bond hinehter). His plan woo to bring every
point into a cesapnol, and that wan a right plan—
(interruption). The town had had enotuh of strangers
—( A voice: And we have had a very good taste of
natives too !). They had had Flintoff, the gm-man,
but their had got common sense themselves.
_

Mr. POTHEC•IIIr &eked whether it would not be better
for the Mayor to read Mr. Hawksley s report, and con-
sider it step by atep ?
Mr. LOWMAN : We must here sections before we pro-
ceed with this question.
Mr. POTHECABT remarked that Kr. Hawksley was
here for the entente of meeting the ratepayers, and
would give every information.
Mr. Lownaw again witt shout to speak, but failed to
do no; eriie of "sit down," and "Hawksley," causing
hint to resume his mak

The KATO{ said it was necessary they should 00Me
to • decision whether Mr. Hawkaley's report should
he i4opt.l or not. They were unanimoul in the
Council with regard to the drainage; bat it was thought
desirable the ratepayers should be called together, in
order that their situation might be obtained as well, to
strengthen the proceedings of the Beard. if it era.
their wish he would read the report clause by clause
—(Voice : We wont have it).
Mr. POTRICART said the Mayor had made a state-
ment that the Council were unanimous.
The MATOR : There was no division.
Mr. Porlitcaay : There might be no division be-
tween • man and his wife ; hut it did not follow that
they agreei—(laughter). His friend Mr. Thomas ant
various others, said they would not have the odium
east upon them of not desiring to remedy existing
e•ils though they did not think it necessary to go into
an expense of £lO,OOO or £50,000 ; but In (Mr. Pottle.
nary) in.bitsai that the Council were not unanimous as
to a general scheme of drainage—(hear, hear). He
considered Mr. Flawkeley's reoort to he perfectly in-
anmplete, and believed that gentleman would 'ay so
himself. Me. Ilaarksler could not foresee things more
than other people, and he (Mr. Pothecery) thought
those men who ought to be sitting around the Council
table about] be present at the meetinp and not allow
the minority to have the odium of any measure refiecto I
upon them —(cheer).
The MAYOR: There was • resolution proposed at the
Council meeting, and no amendment put, so I took it for
granted the feeling was uilanimoua—(great confusion,
groans., and hisses; which were oontinued till Mr. Ailing
sat down).
Mr. Hume Raked them, as busineas men, to eonsider
whether they should adopt Mr. Hawksley's report —(cries
of "so, tio")—or eentinue • gradual improvement under
the management of their prewnt surveyor. He then
went on to condemn the exclusion of the reporters from
the now famous Saturday meeting of the Council, but
the fact it the reporters were not "excluded," for,
haying no notice of the meeting, not one of them at-
tended. .

Mr. Porinciatr said if he had known that the Press
had not received notice of the meeting, be would have
told the reporters of it himself.
The Ilavou explained that his statement had reference
not to the Saturday meeting, but to one when there was
suggeated the propriety of their having drainage, and
getting a report from Mr. Hawksley • it eras upon
that occasion that the Council were not Oppoeed to each
other.

Mr. HIBIR oontinued : It seemed he WU ball right
1111,1 hall wrong touching the private meeting of the
Council. The drainage of the town was just one of
those things they ought to temsider. Wes this town a
hest th v one ?—(applause, and cries°, "certainly"). Did
statistios show the town to be healthy ?—(cheers). lie
thought no, indeed; but Mr. Griffin was present and
could answer that question.
. . . _

oIIIFFIN row. but was received with loud greens
and hiwww. He Isla it was not so healthy by four in the
thoossnd as—(rhe rest of the eentenee was lost in the
tumult whir& enaued.) _ . .

Mr. ROLLS: Look at the people present; do they look
unhealthy ?—(cries of "No, no," and laughter.)
Mr. NsTslan, surgeon : There ii not a morn healthy
town in England than Weymouth— (applause.)
.Mr. HIBBS: Bat who were the men who wanted to
force drainage on the inlosbitants?—(Uprcar). He
wished to tell them who he thought they were. They
were men who had property In Oreyinouth, and whose
poor tenants had not the necessary drainage for tl sir
houles--(applanse). These tenants were constantly
applying to the owners of the property for proper
sewers, but the lendlnois 'cowered "You 'hall not have
li," and for why? "If we order it we must pay for it,
and it will answer our peeper, better for the whole of
the inhabitant, to pay for draining this small property."
That was about the truth of it. It an happened that In
his baronials since he had been in Weymouth he had
been mixed op with many properties, so he knew that
In the last six or seven years many improvements had
been made, and that the town was enosidersbly more
healthy than before that time. Had Mr. Hawkialey
some there six or seven years ago, and be had been
being there, knowing me much ache did at that time of
the poisonous places which then existed in the town, he
ahnuid perhaps have been In favour of adopting some
sebeme of drainage, but since th.t time there had been
an enormous sum of money laid out (which they had
had to pay), not all perhaps, judiciously, but yet the
greater portion of it they had had the beneAt
of. The town was in a healthier and sweeter
state than it wad six or seven years ago. But within
that time the rent, had increased 35 per cent., and in
many instances 50 per cent, and of course they had to
par rates in proportion. So they most remember, that
If they adopted a great drainage scheme now, they would
have to pay inwards it about double what they would
have to pay sic or seven years ago. Was the town in
a position to borrow £20,000 or £20,000? ("No. ockl
He said, "No," became the ratepayer. could not afford
to pay the interest of the money. Still he should not
shrink from the outlay, if he felt it to be neceseare ;
but the feet was, the death rate in Weymouth was
considerably under the average, and therefore he thought
the time had not arrived for them to adopt any great
and expensive scheme of drainage. He was quit,
owe that if they polled the whole town on the question
nineteen out of every twenty votes would be recorded
against borrowing £20.000 or 00,000 to carry out •
scheme of drainage, and he said that gentlemen who
would support .uol, • project in the Council, if they
mune to the town and asked to be returned again,
they would never go back to the Council—(loud
applause). He hoped that come decision with regard to
Mr. Hawksley's report would be arrived at ; and there
was another thing be wished them to do—an eleetion
was pendice, let them take care that they returned
men who would not support any expensive scheme of
drainage.
Mr. H. Itcoom said the town wee • healthy one,
and the ratepayers had it in their power to make it more
so. Let them do it moue thernselven. He would give
El toward, it, and had no doubt 400 more woold he
found to do the samo--(cheere). There were tradesmen
and mechanics wanting work, so that if the town was
drained let employment be siren them. He recently
went to • town where a sabeme of drainage had been
carried out, and a poor widow had told him that the
only good draisage had done her was to make her pay
sa. more in the pound on rates. jet voices "Ask Dor.
chaster about it? it is mined ,• and Poole is bankrupt.")
Mr. Rismrett contended that, if any dra:n.ge was needed.
it could be done by soloaription. They should hold to:
ribs? at Men, and look after their own interest.. Way.
mouth was a healthy town, and he trost.d by the
blessing of God it would onntinue to be so. If they
adopted the present scheme it would perhaps be made
we... than it was owe—(applause, and a voiea : Look at
Dorchester. where they've always got the fever.)
Mr. POTHSCIART suggested that after thia little Ann-
ties of feeling, they should hear the Mayor read Mr.
Hawludey's report, and then let Mr. Hawkaley implode
It. and he said he tilt sure Mr. Hawksley would not
deceive thinn in the least—he bad not deesived the
Council when they had dosed doon, and be woad an
deeds' them.

Mr. R. Cog: We clout want the report—(applanse
and confusion).
Mr. HARLIN° thought, before any report was read, the
meeting ought to decide the firet question—" Did they
vott.t any drainage or not r—(chetr., and voice 'No.
no"). It had been said that W.lmouth eras a healthy
town, and stood Al, oral least A 2, amongst the water.
inc place. of Kngland. lie should like to draw the
attention of the meeting to one fact, that if by the
returns of deaths the borough was shown to be A 2, it
WWI in a much healthier state than thus appeared. The
return was made six years ago, in the month of April,
when the hotels were empty, and the population was
not nearly so great as now. If a return were now made
he thought that instead of being A 2, it would be Al—.
(loud cheers). When the cholera broke out in the town.
Ii years ago, there uut a large number of deaths, but
this year Cholera had visited the country, and Weymouth
had escaped altogether ! What we the reason of that?
Owing to the drainage having been commenced, there
+ma less disesee, •nd inore physical comfort. They must
bear in mind that they were since doing well ' • if they
carried out the drainage, it would be like gilding flue
gold ;he bad heard of such a thing, but could hardly
recommend it—(applause).
The MAYOR said they were met simply to take ioto
consideration Mr. Hawkaley's report—(oonfusion, and a
voice; "We don't want the report.")
Mr. J. J. Roxts, saitnidst much laughter, produced
, the bill calling the meeting, and put bin finger in •
signiffeant manner on the word "drainage."
The klsroit then asked the kind attention of the
meeting for Dr. Griffin, who was about to address them.
Mr. GRIFFIN rue, but a perfect storm of hisses,
groaninp, hooting., and cries of "Kit clown, "Go home,"
"Pair play," krt., rendered his speaking useless.
Mr. PI/THWART (persuasively): Hear Dr. Griffin, you
need not take his physic if you don't like it— Daughter).
Mr. Geirrtg : What are you affraid of ?—(Hisses and
uproar, and cries of "Pills," "fiend for the stomach
pump," kr.
Mr. PuTRICARY Do act like Englishmen; you can
tapir to anything Mr. Griffin says.
Mr. GIUFFIN : Allow Rio to ask what state you will
be in supposing you will not hear what a person has to
say in this room. when we go the Secretary of State and
tell hint that at a public meeting—(the end of the
sentence was lost in the uproar which ensued. Voices
"We don't want the Secretary of State about our
town." "Epsom salts." "Let everyone have a fair
hearing. we shall get through the busluess all the
sooner." Ice.). He preceded to remark that the Mayor
had called that meeting to give every individual rate-
payer an opportunity of expressing his opinion touching
the drainage of the town. He had listened attentively
and quietly to everyone who had spoken, from begin-
ning to end; surely they were not afraid of bearing his
opinion; he was but an individual, and if he did not
tell them the truth they could correct him. He bad
examined very carefully Kr. Ilasskaley's report, and he
would tell them what it was, but he did think some of
of them had not oonsidered what it wee It was simply one
small drain from Preston-read, and another from Dor.
ehester-road, to join together at the old turnpike
and to carry the di ainage down the Back water—( A voice:
" That will suil all the Ashes"). That was all Mr.
Flawksley proposed to do—(Uproar). He thought it as
simple • plan as possible, and one that might be carried
our—(Higess). They all admitted the town ought to be
drained, but some said "Let as drain it ounselve.."
Thor had been draining it for some years, and he
admitted the town bad been very much improved. He
had very little to say against the town, because for an
ordinary town it we' good, but a mortality of 21 to the
thousand was not what a town of this sort ought to
have. It had gone forth to the world that this town
was not drain d, and visitors did not come in the
numher• they would do. The Mayor had read him a
letter which he had received from a gentleman who had
consulted a medical nun as to whetter he abould come
to Weymouth for his health, but he advised him not to
do so al it was improperly drained (voices: "Name,
name," and "How was he to know thstrand great
unroar, which was continued till Mr. Griffin not down).
Mr. Griffin then appealed to the Town Clerk respecting
• petition signed by 170 ratepayers asking for drainage,
which Mr. Griffin *Hosed had been depoaited at the
Town Clerk's office, but of which Mr. Steggall said he
bad no knowledge. Great confusion prevailed, and the
gestienlationa of Mr. Giffin were airy fervent.
. . . _

On order being somewhat restaret Kr. GRIMM rose
to submit • resolution, but the tumult was immediately
resumed, but we heard him remark that he did nnt mean
to On. it RI a threat, but he desired to remind them of
the Sanitary Act of 1866. which gave power to any in-
habitant to apnly to the Secretary of State to carry out
the drainage of • town which required it—Onterruntion).
Mr. WALLIS : But will any inhabitant do it?
would be • marked man I

Mr. Gummi : In swishing for efficient drainage in the
town, I am sating spinet my own interest ass medical
man. In the town yesterday one of the medical men
said to me, We (this doctors) don't get enough to do
now, bet if the town in drained, we shall have nothing
to d,."—("Loud laughter and uproar, end • voice :
..Vire or. going to introduce the_ineaslrs.". .

The MAJOR then proceeded to read the resolution
handed to him by Mr. Griffin for proposal, and said if
any penon wont, second it, be should be happy to bear
pint. The resolution was as follows :—" That in the
opin;on of this meeting it is desirable the town should
he effectually drained, and that the Local Board of
Health be requested to take such steps ea may be neomp
mire for that purpose." _

. .
Mr. Gamete : You do not pledge yourselves; by that
to any one general scheme.
No one seconding the motion, Mr. HOWARD said the
drainage question was a very unsavory one to Wey-
mouth. It was a question which was most important,
hut no question had been so misunderstood, and no
question had been put so badly before the townepeople
of Weymouth aa this had been. First of all in raferenee
to the town itmlt. The town was in • healthy state
—(cheers). The town was more than that, it was a very
healthy one—(renewed cheering). They must, how-
ever, discuss this subject free from party bias. If he
came with him opinion mode up on one point, and they
on another, let'each speak his mind, and then they might
come to a right ormolu-don- He did not come forward
to speak from choice; but as the matter was so int-
portant to the town, so important to them personally, so
important to the generation, which were to ems, and to
the future prosperity of the town, he thought that
every one of their public representatives ought to
attend • meeting like that ; and fearleaely state
their opinions. Let no craven spirit keep them
back, but let them come forward and state their
op 'lions. and if they were wrong let them he eon-
winced ts the contrary. Now as to the drainage,
it was urged that Weymouth had natural advantage.
for drainage, and in what those natural advantages were
wanting, they had been supplied —(hear, hear.) He
understood that was the argument; but they must
understand that CM or MO a year of the public money
was now spent upon the drainage of the town. [Mr.
Pothecarv: "More like £l,OOO or upwards. "] Mr.
Howard continned:—No ; what hal been spent for the
last few years was little over £3OO a year. Under the
Local Board of Health they bad a rate of 2.. in the E,
the result of which was there wee over £3,000 • year
collected for drainage purposes. Besides this, they must
bear in mind—because facta were fasts and could not be
got over—al every meeting of the Council, petitions un-
animously eigned, were received, asking for drains in
those plates where they did not exist—(hear, hear)
Now supp we • petition came for such • district an
George-street Le lay the place was flooded, and they
most haves drain put down there, what was to be done?
And yet there wan petitions constantly coming before
the Council, from various districts asking for secomoda-
tion. He said although they had great n•tural ad-
vantage for drainage it was not sufli.ient. and they must
help it in some way or other--(Voice; "We can do it our.
selves.") There was no reason why they should not do it
themselves. Good drains had been laid down • great
part of the Esplanade, from Augusta-plate to Clarence-
buildings to the harbour—(hear, bear.) That was a
perfect seeress, sad it was done by the Local Board
themselves. The inhabitants in that locality might,
however, not agree to the proposed drainage, because
they were satisfied—like • man who had had a good
dinner, when he heard another man crying out for bread
he would my, "You may ere out if you like; I have
bad my dinner and don't .are."—(laughter.) But this
was somewhat unfair. If one be It • house in any pelt
of the town they looked Inc mesas to drain off the surface
water, and there ought to he a nubile drain for the
purpose; and why should one portion of the town have
this privilege and another not ?—(hear, hear.) II was
like giving bread and butter to one man end dry crust
to another—(hear, hear, and cheers.) When be Was
building • house in Bast-street he was obliged to carry •
pipe right down to the Turk's heed corner at his own cc-
pence. lie had been told that the principal part of the
front was well drained ; it was the back part, the houses
of the poor, which were not. (Voice No, no.") Mr.
Howard said "Tee, yes," and maintained that it was in
the back where the bosses were badly drained, and that
something nowt be done in the matter. Rut it did not
follow that they were to adopt any expend.. scheme of
drainage -(applause). There was but one way to do it,
and that he had suggested years ago. They could dolt
by piecemeal, and tie it themselvers—(hesr. hear). But
let them have a complete plan, go that every drain they
laid down would form part of a thorough and efficient
system, so that at length they would have drAillage
which would answer all purposes, and be a credit to the
town—(applause).

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Mr. Thomas said Mr. Hawk.ley had just informed
him that he did not think they were ripe for drainage,
and that it ought not to be poked down their throate—
(cheers and cries of "bravo.") The issue they had to
decide was whether they would place confidence in
their representatives to carry out the remedying of
existing evils in the be.t manner they could, or whether
they would borrow a large amount of money to carry
oat the proposal of Mr. Hawksley. They would re-
member that •bout 12 months ago an individual was
engaged by the Local Board of Health to get the
opinions of the ratepayers as to a drainage ',clime for the
town not to cost more than £20,000, the sewage not to
go in the baekwater or harbour, the Int:weeuo of annual
rates tint to exceed Is. 61. in the pound, and such sum
to decrease annually till the end of 30 year., when it
would terminate." The result warn—Aye, 191, noes
404, neutral 144, away 98, void 11, not seen 8, total 898;
rateable value of the property in the borough, £.31,900
favourable to above proposal, I:11,106 18a. 8.1. Bo that
the large majoity of. the ratepayers were averse to a
general system of drainage.
Mr. : Ij My name there? I never heard of
any sued requisition—(voices, "Nor I, nor I").
Mr. THOMAS continued: If they adopted Mr. Hawk-
sley's plan they would not only entail upon the rate-
payers additional rates, hut • heavy burden upon those
yet unborn. He asked them whether they would advise
the members of the Board to accept the proposal of Mr.
Hawkaley or not—(voiees : "No, no"). lie took it that
the noes would be the most, and he also took it that
the Council woul I be justified in speeding their money
to the beet of their abilities in remedying the evil which
now existed (voice.: "David,," "Have • show of
band."). He would tell them why he objected to Mr.
Hawkeley's plan. Mr. flawksley had told them it would
be perfect madness to attempt to drain sur•ll booms in
this borough, because the rewilt of his experience had
been that they not only choked their own drain*,
but rendered inefficient the public ones. He honed the
meeting would come to some decision on Ile subject.
Mr. C. Pagni wished to contradiet the statement
made by Mr. Howard that the small houses were on.
drained, whilst gentlemen's home. were fully drained.
He had lived 17 years in one house in Wellingtoo-
imethe
place
Iv. o
thing
swithilcoadh had
been teoeubtyotthweht time
warn to pa
gravel there. He had paid every rate, and although he
and some 20 others got up • petition about five years

no to have • covered drain there. and the matter was
• adrocalled by Mr. Tinrd in the Council, it was only
treated as want.. paper.
Mr. Parnackar That was because it vu not
wanted. . . .

Mr. Pg/11111' was again about to meek, but the meat-
bat being disposed to hear hie), he was compelled to
sit
.down. . . .

11r. Hewerneer rose, amid great disapprobatine, but
very soon he obtained a hearing, and entered upon the
question so judiciously sod ably as at length to
render every one a quiet hatters% He nail: I
will not say (am quite unused to public meetings, but
I never attended one at which there was no much good
humour tomilested concerning so obnoxiou. • question
-(laughter). I. therefore, hope that you will give in.
a patient hearing for a few momenta, because I enter-
ton no prejudice upon this question, nor am I one of
those people who rush around the country saying every-
body's life and health are only to be preserved by
some drains being put into their premise., which they
do not like. No person has opposed, both publicly and
privately, in London and elsewhere, the nonsense which
has been talked about drainage more than I have. At
the same time I consider there is • great deal of good in
drainage when properly applied; and there are, no
doubt. defects in moot towns which require to be
remedied, either at coos, or gradually upon some con-
oiatent plan. I, therefore, very much agree in. what
has been staid by Mr. Councillor Howard, whom views I
did not before know. Mr. Howard thinks it of little
um to proceed to drain the town, unites yeu have
Dome plan by which the system can ultimately
be united into one general whole- (applause)-which
must be coosistent in itself, and must eosin to one useful
and sufficient end-(hear, bear). Now, in the ease of
Weymouth, the main defect results from the want of an
outran, and it is mainly, if not entirely, upon the
question of outfall that you were asked to assemble on
this occasion, because when ones you have determined
that you may proceed gradually or rapidly, just as from
time to time you may think lit -.(hear, hear). With
regard to myself. I am Perfectly independent on this
question. You have sufficient talent in your own town
to carry out the necessary drainage ; you have talent
enough to devise your own plans; but whether you have
it or not, it is desirable that you should have • plan of
some kind, whereas now, you haws none. I have
proposed • plan, and it his been the remit of very great
consideration-the result of some champed mind on the
"abject, because, during the two years I hove had an
opportunity of knowing what are the views of the in-
habitants of Weymouth, I have been obliged to
modify my designs in • manner which I conceived
would be more suitable to your dispositions. Acting
originally open what I believed would be the only
scheme upon which Government would advent* money
for the perpese, I proposed • scheme of deep dra nave,
and to have the memoir° carried away into a place tulle
Newton's Cove, But I found, aft, rather arduous In-
vestigation, that it cool I not be carried out toeless than
£30.000, and I then keret that such an expenditure fer
the purpose would not be tolerated in Weymouth- (sp.
plea.e). lon not pre; *ref to say sech an outlay is a
necessity-(loud applause). It would only become a
nensasity in ease the exacting views •hich were some
time ago entertained by Government should be insisted
upon. I believe you might hove reasonable drainage-
drainage which would answer all your purposes for Italf
the expense, or perhaps less. Let Inc tell you why I
think it might be less. I have been told that there
"sista already many drains in various perm of toe town.
The number and position of them should be ascertained'
at present Ido not know bow to get that knowledge. I
6.'0 been told that many of three draina might be made
serviceable-(r. Howard: "hen, hear"). `f so, it is no
use enbetituting others for them-(cheer.). What is
required to be done is, simply to prepare • proper coat-
tail, and then to make a main drain through the heart
of the town, which in its. course, should take up all
serviceable drains now °letting. Upon that subject I.
am not able to give any definite opinion, Immense there
does not seem to be any one penal% who has atoll know-
lodge of how the water enemas at Present from the
various hnunes in the town. The control drain may, of
coupe, intersect thsse very drains, and will make it
ascertainable at any rate, whether any, and if ea, which
of them, can be made awful. It does not fellow, there- ,
fore, because I calculate that £16,000 or £lB,OOO will be ,
nem...re to effect the drainage of the town that £16,000
or mom will be laid out. What is meant is simply
this-that such a sum will be required if you complete ,
• system begun di soy° If you can make available some
of the drains constructed by previous outlays-which ,
I believe have been considerable-- you will mum a re- '
election of that gross amount. Now with regard to
the question of ontfall-in • place like Weymouth
it is • question of great difficulty, because
there are differences of opinion amongst you, which do
not admit of being reconciled. Some persons, who look
only to Weymouth sea watering-place, are very desirous
that the drainsge shall be carried to a great distance,
and collected at great depths ; others, who look to the
wante of residents primarily, are desirous that a more
reasonable system shill be adopted at a smaller total
Goat. and, consequently, at • smaller oharee upon the
rates; others again-I know all about it, for I have
be., many times to Weymouth touching this matter
-think that very superficial drainage will be ,
'efficient, and the outfalls near the place where ,
the sewage arises is all that is necessary; and
others, again, that the gravel is sufficient drainage '
of itself, and that nothing need he done. It is
imeresible for any engineer to reconcile such a variety
of opinion.; I cumot make deep drains, shallow
drain., intermediate ones and none at all all at
the same time. I was there fore called on to
propose • scheme which will he reasonably suffi. '
tient, not involving very great expetiditure, nor
euch as will be uselessly eal.ll. I have etudied the
question in the ititereat. of time ratepayers, and prepared
• plan. which, while involving the smallest outlay, will
give • reasonably good result. I have endeavoured to
lay before the town such a system, but I have not said '
it must be carried out soddenly-the qeestion of time is
for you. I have only told you where it matt commence. .
It is no use draining first in one street and thee in ,
another, unless at the last all the drains converge to
some emetic.] °Wall, which will suit the entire ,
.mtounity. That is what I have endeavoured
to do, and, after oonnidering the whole system.
I have come to the cosclusiou that inasmuch as all
the drains and falls converge towards the bottom
of Conygardane it will be cheaper and more ad-
•antsgeons to place the receiving tank in that situation.
Then, as • matter of °earn, following upon thee
tomes the question as to what shall be done with
the water received into the tank. I considered whether
or not it would beneeessary to pump it to a great distance,
or whether is will be more convenient to put it in the
backwater or harbour, to he swept away by the receding
tide, and I came to the conclusion that the former plan
is not necessary-at all event. at present, or for in iny
yeers to come. The Wen which under all the circus,-
stance., T have been I,d to lay before you, is tri let it
out constantly, or with considerable rapidity with the
tidal door, so as to be swept near Into the sea at
ones, and the first thing you have to do is to provide
for the ',TAMIL You cannot prodded with any
system of drainage until you have decided on the
°Wall, the level'. and situation where the towage
shall be united. You me, therefore, that I really am
not of opinion that you should if amenity construct the
whole of the proposed works at once. You can make
thou from time to time, and iii. for you to say whether,
under all the circumstances, they are to be made with
borrowed money, or as an instantaneous charge upon
the mt.'. I believe that it will fall lighter upon you if
you borrow from time to time such sums ot money as
you require, to be repel' in 30, 41, or 50 mu., as is
prescribed by the Local Government Act, rather than
charge the expense immediately upon the rates of your
own houses. I hay- had a good deo of experience on
this nubjeet, and I will recommend thin plan to yea
whenever you *bona to consider the subject, as bong
one whin, will afford you the greatest amount of relief
in regaid to the rates cion.equent upon the expenditure.
You will, therefore, tee, I on. sure, that, so for us I am
*unearned, and so far as your Town Council is onmerned.
there has been no desire whatever to make this synem
of drainage oppressive to you, and I IIUI quite cortaiii
that all the parties here with whom I have come in c in.
tact are disp tsed to take the most reasonable vie. of
any expenditure that may be necessary. At the
same time, I believe (and I know something
of the subject. for I have been connected with
• great many towns on the subject of health, but I have
• special connection with Weymouth, for 14 peers ago I
had the honour of melting your waterworks) Weymouth
to be a very healthy place; bet also as long as the
system of drainege be 4e-spools preyeds in this pleas
there will always be prejudices against it as regards its
poesible state of health. You are aware that there are
now many watering-plans in &gilled, and many abroad
-for instance, Boulogne-which are bidding one
against the other, and you know how for purpoaes of
competition, they endeavour to blacken each other. 'inch
things took oboe with regard to towns to my certain
kuowledge, on this part of the oast, and you must see,
as it frequently happens, though very unjustly, no doubt,
that • cry is got up against a particular watering-plme
in favour of some other. It has been the tom with
respect to Weymouth, and might be again. I think that
• great deal of pennon.. is talked about the public
health; in point of fact I know that the returns issued
on the subject are not false in thennelves, but delosive
in their conseqeenees. In saying this let toe my that it
Is mybelief that in the present day it is imponsitale to with-
stand the prejudices which are created by these reports,
end by the people who publieh theta. For myself I do
not cameo cepting for the good wish.. which I ate sure the
people of Weymouth entertain fer ine, if I never bear
the subject of the drainage dimmed /again ; but believe
me, when I say sincerely and honestly, as an eugiueer
acquainted with the nobjoct, and having a com-
petent knowledge of Weymouth, I am of opinion
that you must do something in the matter,
however moderate it may be. Therefore if I
dare to recommend-it is not my basinsea to do so
I admit-a course to be pursued, it will simply be this
that you shall not pas. • resolution to the offeet diet
there 'WI he no imprnrenimat in the drainage of the
town, but that there nhail become means taken to carry
out • good and eftient eystein gradually, and at the
smallest possible expeem- (No, no, and applause.)
I am not • contractor. nor • maker of drains,
and have no interest in the question is a matter
of benefit, and in giving you my 'opinion, it is
simply as • man who has gained some ex perien^e in
each matters, and with a view of preventing something
being done which might be exceedingly detrimental to
your own interest I thank yon for the very patient
hearing yoe have given me ; I did not elegem. such
• somplineent, an I said before, when speaking on sect
an obnoxious subject-(applause.)
Mr. MAILINO thought they should now CAM* to some
decision as to what should be adopted-(hear, hear, and
lout cries of "Braeo."ke). He had listened with greet
attention and pleasure to Mr. Hawkohty's obeermations,
and also to the remarks made by Mr. Howard. and,
with all due deference to Mr. Hawksley. he wool
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did not say
Pc'.llr. HOweltri :I said the principal parte We're well
drained.

Hr. BAIIJNO, in eletinaation, said be did not think
they could do hotter th.n no on e. tlity hod dmie. Ho
should therefore prom.* o propaiti n 'that the repeat
of Mr. Hoek*ley be not enterteioed"—(voeibwons
eheerieix).
Mr. HMS : I have mesh *enure in seseadiar ft.
—(renewed applause).

Mr. B. H. HOWARD did not think they were sue
together necessuity to gonad', Mt. flawkeley's plea I
for himself he had not looked at it soMelootly to form
an opinion upon it. He thought the real *sit of the
meeting being called together was to settle the 2u=
should they entertain this or say other plan of
nanlin—PP(ritol::::oft')uantangrieLeoedaenttiriaaptt om'n°f‘tr):l4l,:::tvWvetbvsesoe'7,):—anwllilitinniawaoletbugnswithot,thilinsebnieniffl'asSilerneleletithealid—re(Hkirin:lied.
have Mr. Rawksity's plan—(hear, boar and theers).
But would they have any plan at all jiii"No, so," and
sontinued uproar, in which Mr. Ho retired has
the platform.)
Mr. PoTRICART said his simple idea was way
and readily told —(laughter). All at owe they had got
the sanitary matter revived. Certain men in that Opus.
cil Chamber were very sallow to terry out an =nth'
sive system of drainage, but what their meaning was be
did not know—(noie and wisp of "They seat to
their property Improved at our expense.") When h•
bad the honour of meeting Mr. Hawkskry befen, he
Itaal not the honour of smog the statiessein of the Trees
—furter, end cities of "Oh I oh I" sad "Motive 11
The public, he said,had-been boodwitiked—(olteen). The
Mayor, who now occupied the Weir, wee ens of those
who were anxious to carry the seitems but what ea
earth could ledges him to be so anxious, without their
consent, he could not think—(bear, bear, and laughter).
His (Mr. Pothecery's) idea as to the of
this town, was not what he beard inn=nroont—the
Colman Chamber,—the other day, whoa • metals
gentleman said" We are meet bore to do OUT duty,
and we must not consult people out of does.--(laughter,
oh loh ! and hiss*. He felt that he was hound to
consult the feelings and wishes of those outmf-doors,
and this meeting was • perfectly satisfactory ono to far
al that was coucerned. If two or three men had ebonite
to "tore the tables" the other morning in that room
the public would have been riddled with th, *ammo,
of this draioage--(cheers, and greare), But now
the public had an opportunity of bearing what look
place, and in Nat they bad the opportienity of idolise
Cole opinions as to whether they approveddid.tof
believe :
It erde
—(cheers, and "Away with it.")
they knew Mr. Hawkidey's plan, that they Would
approve of it, for it was a very feasible plan. Oaf HIV
had bad the honour and pleasure of listening to Mt
Illawkeley, who had given them • very straightforenell
statement se to his opinions—(heer, hoer wad Awe).
But, after all, the real issue of this meeting would be,
did they put implicit sonadenee In the men who wean
entrusted with the management of their affairs /—(eeht-
clad shouts of "No° and " Yee° and confusion). Then
if they had not coriedespe in them, they must bog
•round the town and see if they could sapplautrol
re • ho we of no use, with better inn-Omar, sad eh
They must have some Inc. who could speak oil—mon
who had nothing to gain, except the affection and
pepsin of their fellow•townsmen—(bear, bear). Ifo
eat a public man, and his conduct bad been before the
town for some time, and as long as he maid be of
smitten*, to them he would do his bottle Sealy the le-
tertats of the retspey_ers—(ebeces). They Were indebted
to himself and Mr. Thounge for this meeting to-der—.
(cheer.). Bat be felt there were men who did not ed
thoroughly fulfil their duty, and the ratepayers had hiss
hoodwinked and "done heowu"—(applauae, bravo, sad
noise). He exorcised his sonfidence in Mr.
surveyor, and with the infornstion Mr. Hateksley bad
given to them, he thought they could remedy all UK
evils that exist, and do it without borrowing the ettoci
money which had been proposed4lboors).
Mr. R. Coggros, after alluding to the good be hal
aceompildied whilst • member of Corporation, and
remarking' that It was became be was • plata spoken
man that £5OO were spent In order to get him tamed
out, said he had always been opposnd to the eirsintge,
event it could be done gradually and at a trifine
If they elected him as one of their representatives het
should do his duty.
Mr. R. if. guar asked to be allowed to maks • few

observations bearing upon the matter before the meet-
ing. He did not appear before them as their representa-
tive, neither was be bidding for that honourable adios,
and therefore any remarks be might make *mild be
those of a humble ratepayer, feeling the greed impor-
tance of this question In its present and fakirs beating
upon the welfare and prosperity of their town. He bad
Defaced with attention and satbdaotion to the obeartra.
lions of Mr. Howard and Mr. Hawkaley, and ha felt,
with a majority of those present, thattc.plndsllzge
sum of mousy in a useless and reckless manner dr& not

only undesirable, but it Ina a very wrong and Issignikelta
plan to purinse—(hear, bear). At the same time they
should all feel, so reasonable and sensible men, that if
they could inspresa their preeent and future condition by
• w.f.-mob's and moderate outlay of money. the, muse
be very foolish not to doss—(hear Mar r Marl. There "ag
old saying. to Whkit his friend ür.Howard nneld nce
doubt subscribe, that "a man who is hie own lawyer has
a fool for a client"—(laugokirt H. thianiln If they "H's
to apply that saying to the present quaggas, theyeould
'' realise its veil'. They bad beard a godd deal. said
shout "local talent"—lntrasting matters th the Local
Board of Health, and also the talent of their sutgiOde
—but at the same time, looking at a matter of mob
importance as the present, he could not say be had thin
faith in the Council to rely upon them entirely It
tarrying oat a really sound and effective system of
drainage in Weymouth—(haw, boar). With all defer-
ence to the members of the Council they canto not
ptheibly posse that amount of kooeledge on such a
subject which could only be gained by long experienee
and worldwide fame, such as Me Hawkegy bad
attained: therefore, when a man of Isis experiences was
called forth—not in a hasty manner, but after deliberate
and careful attention, for Mr. Flawkale, had been here
on several occasions and bed taken hia time Is forming
an opinion as to the note of the town—it was only
reethenble that they should look not only to one ski.
of the question, merely saying " We know that we ere
very healthy and we want no improvement; but let nel
joie along in our old tenet way." It was true that in
Weymouth they were tolerably healthy, and thank God
for it; still they were not us hthithy as they am *hi be
perham—(bear, hear, sad dissent.) A little time ego
they were in fear end trembling in apprehension el
visit of choler*, and they took precautionary step' Just
the men an they did in many other plaees. That alarm'
had happily pared away, and they bad been spared from
the pestilence which threatened them; but he bad
heard from the gentlemen who kindly untertook to go
round and iorpect the different drains, their opinioe as
to whether or not the town was efficiently or property
drained. Their opinion was that it wee not so, more
especially in the small houses in the back streets, where
the dwellinga of the poorer naves were in a disgraceful
and mint dangerous state —(l.ear, bear). Now be
thought this was the moat imported part of the matter,
and he thought the question before the meeting mote
immediately affected the poor than it did the neg. The
rich man had other mesei of averting and delving away
sickness and disease; but the poor people were huddled
together in the back streets of their town ; cottages Ind
been palled dawn, and they were it'll more crowded;
whilst the state of the drainers in atheequence banana
wane and worse—(hem', hear.) If eholera or any other
epidem, e were to breal- nut, it would fearfully desolate
the poor in thom localitiee, and he wee one of those who
did not colonist, the life and vitality of his poorer
neighbours and friends by a eigineenpanny or Iwo-
shilling rate—(ttest confection.) He concluded be pre,
slog as an amendment, "That the &damps of the
town of Wermouth is not in an efficient akata. at ire.ent
at a CIA' ate a betaken to marry out soma maid
sist ,m."—(loud cries of "no, no," "We wOO% b75vg77,3
" You are ie. Ma teenage,
.and continued minuet.)
•

Mr. Cony: Who were the "gentlemen" Ir.° went
rnund to inspect the sr.ter closets ?—(roars of laughter.)
Why a Int of earpenters and tailors, and the dense
knows what—(laughter). We won't have it; we won't
be cried down—(eenerred uproar).
Mr. BLurr we. informed that a motion similar to his
own hod been previously prnposed, but had not been
seconded. He then withdrew his motion, and 041 be
seconded the proposition male by Dr. Griffin with groat
pleasure—(imoms end hi.see)
POTHICANT referod to the It speetion of the
town by the m• dim' gentlemen who • took stock" of
all be little Imek•houses. end especially Hailed out
" the el.borate and splendid report" made by Mr.
Grin; he thought that the owner of those little pro-
pe.t es should do their duty and provide proper drainage
themselves. .

The Vision wm then about to put Mr. Griffin's
proposition to the meeting, when
Mr. Hum rose, and, holding out tin hand, addressing
the Mayor, said, with all respect to him, be as we under
of Mr. Saxling's prof osickm, should stand by it.
Hs would admit that Mr. Oran dui propose • rosolu•
lion, but it fell Mass ground ler the want of a sesoodsr.
Mr. Barium afterwards prop nod • resolutioo, which
was immediately seconded, mid that be •ossidere.l to Ise
the resolution before the meeting- (applause).

rho MAroa (excitedly) to lir. Hibb.: lio d.re sou,
sir. What do you mean bi bolding out your band to
rah? 111 um not supported I shall leave the shear—
(cheers. moans sad hisses).

Mr. -P-OTHICART thee endeavoured to set matters
right, sad asked which they afield hare, Mr. Berlin'',
prop eition or Mr. Grille's ?—(Voices : " Baffin's,
Belling:42n . _

,
The Milton then put Mr. Berling's propositiou thet
"Mr. Hawkaley's report be not entertained," when
almost hand in the room was held up, and @beers
remunded through the hall.
Mr. Pirmseanr said the ether motion ought also to
be submitted.
The Moron mid he WS., quite willing, and Aid Pet It
to the vote, but only a (ew—not more than a dosen
notes were given in its favour—iderieive cheerios).
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toldhinka
hveoteoheof tigahaynokra)to.thide
bane kept his temper so well, under snob trying air-
, u.net 410141.
The Maynik in reply, ..id it seemed that his friend
hod done all in his power to ruMe his temper, but bad
not suoateded.
The emeenibly then divented, the majority exulting in
the defeat of the great drainage gramme.