The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-12-13 00:00:00

THE STOTJEBRIDGE OBSERVER.

Bent at the three than I saw htm I the tailors shop twelve
mouths before I photographed him.
By the Lord Chief Jaynes : I 0%11 only identify film setth
the photograph. I &Meetly recalled Sating the photo-
prapil. lam sure to my own mind that he le the eaten man.

Fialdißick roTTRft lam eletk to the steward's idihm In
chathata iron I hive her ti thore 24 years. Irr member.
man there In pi iron called Lon. gren. Winne man is at. •ut
to be dischsreed he coiner hrider toy particulsr notice. Ire
inemisr Landgren's Mediates on the DIM Morels last. Aron-
Oct le allowed to earn gratod y money. Ile had ¢3, or to him
for ratuilly mnney. and .gl private cash warn he was dis-
charged I make tip his accounts the day previous to his di..
cheer • Mr him to sign. He Is eerier to the rail way station
by ire .rder n the rooming of the discharge. Ike warder ob-
tains the am,vlct's re, I r- het, end wa Is him Into the LTllill
Lundgren's ticket wu taken tot g,direstone. The war or
iron burden tim 65., and 12 woe forwarded by R. st•cilloe
flier to John Lundgren, PoskoMce, Vol kosione, to he called
for. Toe moiler is, in fad, sent the day bat de. 50
that a men con get It when he arrives at his ...-
Hoag in; the b • ance la sent a month after, the
en-
viat being supplied .I.h • form to apply to the police for
wherever lt might be. The nest was applied for, hul not
the halloo e. I rono haler Lundgren from this He give the
governor Liege, Reldum, an Ids destination. He said he
warted to to via Folktens and Boulogne ; but on the day of
his ,1 lacharge he told me he would go a wafer rr ute by Hull
and Ostend. I vent to the governor, hut hound all his
pm era had been ment to Folltrat .3r, which neon s•ltated his
',Avg there. I hay . teen Jean Lute. (hole the same man as
Lundgren, to t he best of my knowledge curl belief.
crowesamination the witness mid he saw Lute here this
morning. Eight or n,Te of us went in togeth.v. On Saturday
I saw bill photograph in the elder war'er's office, and I was
shown another yesterday which wag tell to be one of Lute. I
woe spoken Vs about Lundgren, u I had the discussion with
him the day before ire left.
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The ',Km. said he bad book containing h.&gnteOf
Lundgren, mud be prai wed It. .

rile Lord Chief Justice compared It with the signature
" Jean 1.1118 lu the aftiiavlt of Lute, tad both documents
wore blunted to the Jury for comparison. It being p .inted
out that many of tho liters of both names were the same
—one sigdature being " John Lundgren,' the other "Jean
We."
They were both very carefully examined by the fury, tis
Were the ph tottraphs.
The Lord Cola Justice pointed cut that in "Jean" and in
"John " there was the same letter "U' flea, es well as the
"J"C pilaf in both; and there were ether letters, as the
capita "L," and the small letters "ti," e," tito.
Another warder, named 14VIDSOn, was then called, who
atro.d tl at fie had lo own (hoc nom. Lundgren for unwarOs
• I two tears and had occoton Tel see i,ei several Moe sln
the coerce of a week On hod embargo he went wl,h him to
the rellwar it tion with • railway warrant for id. fare. iie
so, the tit ket tor Folkestoue and gave h 65. That It the
man (poluong to Lt.) I lob to he station. lam quite
sure id It. I could plck him out eta shouted.
In cross-examination he said he was shown • photograph
of Lute n•ster, ay. two hote graphs were shown—our thg
prlaon photograph, the other the photograph of Lute, anal
he sold it was bit dgren. Thl, morning he saw Lae In a
room with other people, and he said "[bet to Lundgren.'
The next wltneas was JOIN Nirnous, a Bristol police.
man, who stetel that he wag prem. t at Cardiff when John
Lundgren was sentenced to yenta servitude at the Quarter
Sessions o..lober, 181+7 for obtaining G2O from the Italian
Consul under false pretence..
The formal certle, ata of conviction was put In. It stated
Viet the pi limner had been 'before could tee' of felon)."
The with. as looked at LI le, and m.ll "That
Is the man." Ile stated that km 1812 he eel In the Brbtol
Police Force and apprehended Lute under tne name of
Charles Lundgren on a charge of stealing a letter containing
• soul of money.
Mr. Kemuly mired whether all this was to be received.
The Lord Chief Justice Why not'?
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Mr. Kenealy mhi it was cot material ta, the Issue : but
The Lord Chlef Justice said the wt nab Lute had In his
evil, lIC stated a series of services at s,• so as to satisfy the
Jury, cud to account for him trim 1854 to the time he ap-
peared as, witness And therefore It was most material to
prove where he was durint that period.
Mr. li,nealy said the Court had ruled that he could not
call evidence in contrwilctlon.
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lhe Lord Chief J wake We have maid uothine of the kind.
Keno's], : Vhe Court would not give me lime to obtain
avid. nO.

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Ihe 1,01,1 Chief Justice : That !a quite another thing : hut
all that is now In uncial !. whether the evidence Ii admis-
sible. We think is le.

rho alinea went nto sa snot Lule was convicted and
sent need to three years' I final servitude That was the
' previous convicdon " mentioned In the Indictment at
Car la I, said tne witness, framed It.
Sir. ItAwkins : Is it at the same man
Witness: feat Is the man. _

he urtill 'ate of the convicth a at Bristol was put in and
read, the prisoner being described as " Charles Lend, ran."
In crosnexemlualon the within' said he saw Lute In
Cardiff In October, 1567. He had wen him many time. be-
fore, as he Heed at tiristol among the ships, eono t.ines as
a runner. at other times as an interpreter Between
18412 and 1,67 he rover saw him. He ...a then underg dug
his sentence. not man's wl'e and ehlid, ..id the witness',
were at Bristol. I saw her p Sa.urdey. I had known Min
att. ut 18 month. pror to 1862. lie uee t during that P Mod
ti e coot th• ships there He need to 'Age at is gri.
pale's, King-street, BitetoL Its wife is living a. ors Will's,
in I a Horse-market, In Bristol. I Vent to Ms h dams in
Kin -sir, et, and took the mot ry, the produce of tie bid.ln
the letter, ICm a box tinder his bed. iii. wife does ant use
the name of Lundgren, but puses u Mre. Hawkins. ()Meat
laughter)
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rhackinu: What mu her ue.hl•n name?
Witham • Mi.. C Kosrs or 1.0,p1er.)
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the witvese went on to rate that he li I been shown Lute
In croon. lune. He knew he gnu to gee him. He came up
for the vurpose. He wale come to .00 11 he knew hi.. He
had no description of him. Lk knew that if he saw Lute grow
he incubi know hint. He saw his wife on iisturigy mot
she *MI her the ph,lograph. He saw Hide, but did not
Chow hien it photegrapl. He had never seen Lundgren
after 1887 until he I.*, him )e.terday.
I mower I.e the I/11,i Chief iu.ttn, th wl,ness .6*d ih.t
the mate's wile and child were living at Bristol while the man
egg undergoing his sentence. there were three children
one of them is with the mother.

Being !Flown a photograph, he laid he should not recogulze
It as Lundgren.
Mr WILLIAM W. GIBSON: I am partner In the arra of
Whltwell, Gibson and Co.. of Bilstol. We are mer-
chants and ahldhr‘diers. I was In the firm In :859.
In hat acne we had a water clerk named Lund,ren
in our sniploy, at w.ekly wager. I personally, paid
Ile came to ma in July or Aligns% 189. Ile wee
wail known to 0, if erent Swedish and scandlnavilan
captains. Ile came to ins from Cardiff, out I always un-
ds retool that ho was prerlousq In Hull. hue remained In
our service mall April, 1861, when he left In consequence of
ISO bet, CM for libel li, tin a wit Into veto, In consequence,
and ci, tern f r two n,ontbs Ile kept w,y (re, on after
Via., and itt ily attr so we all ii .e 1 %rul e- it to
pt in on another cluro, the ni -u Intel the. zt.
ho was in itir employ In 1.09 I h..ve n.,t the least iimr,t
of It. The first payment of weekly wa.es was on the WA
August. 1869.

Croartraidned : My attention was first called I L:ile n
Tool lay last In reading a report in the L onion papers while
goli,g from Bristol to :Scarborough. I bail previously seen
Lulea photograph. When the first photoaraph wiu put hi--
tore ire I said I WWII doubtful about the man. I could see a
lesemiJame, but I could not say posiltri-ly as to the man.
Ihe imp,ession on my Mind was not one of doubt.
Fr im tm ph .t ograph l felt morally persuaded that it
was not a gui 4 likeness of the wan Duro was • re-
sernblm e, hut not • like"ess. L 1111.4,4311 bad not much
hair on hi. heed to 1n59 Ile wa, nut bald. Ile had no heard,
hut • monat.iche, and occasionally an Imperial. Ile had no
whiskers. (The photograph produced does not remind me of
Lundgren:. My buds.. was connected with the northern
comitrier. Lundgren spoke Swedish. lie was • married man,
and I rutile,. he had a family. I have SMuu, recollection of a
c intractlon, but I can't say If both his little fingers were
c•ooked. Ily recollection will not carry me back to the colour
of fit, hair or eyes or complexion. The Mel was written by
Lundgren aol published In the Bristol paper.. Ile In-
timated that he had rem hied half a aovaralau inim a certain
gentleman for his vote at a municipal election An action
was brought &safest him, and he was arrested for the costa.
I recoghtsed him on Friday last, particularly by his voice. I
said, " Lundgren, I am sorry to see you In this plight again."
Ile said, "1 do not know you, sir' Ills lips quivered, and
he looked pale. Lie has more colour ii day than he had on
Friday. Alter I saw him I was eatisded he was the name
man.

By the Lord Chief Juatice : When I woke to Lute I reoog-
Mead the tame accent and tone of voice.
Nichols, re called, and, In answer to the Lord Chief Jus-
tice. Aw.l he 111,1 not know Whom employment Lundgren was
In In Metal.

Mr. EitNeaT BRAYER: I now reside at Leytonstone, In
Essex. I was forutrly • shipbroker at Gloucester, from 1853
to 18,2 I then had nettling, with Whltwell end Ce., of
Bristol They had a clerk melted Lundgren in IS5s and 1569.
I knew him very well I frequtntly saw him Ile was •
Swede. I saw Lute • n Friday last, lie is the same man. I
spoke to him in Swedish, Hallo I Lundgren, are you
here?" and he replied In English, "I don't know you Sir."
Brist..l we op he sometimes Swedish and sometimes Eng-
I recollected his voice immediately I heard him speak.
Cr'., examined : I spear to him both in Bristol and in
Cardiff in 1554, '69, and %O. I have • vague remembrance
tat I sow him the ,e In 18.64, should have known his voice
ii I hat not seen his faoe. I cannot speak to particular
conversations with him, or persons who were present at the
ii c. I am a Dena, and when I sow in the papers
that he described himself as • Dane I thought if I could
hoar him speak I coul.l detect whether he wag • Dane
or not When I saw We's photograph in the Poultry
I went into the shop and had • lot at it. I recognised him
at once, and r main to the court to see him. I had never
seen him with his het off, I saw his vile before her mar-
riage at her broth...., who kept • publichouse, where cap.
congr• gatA. Toe Chatham photo,,rapti is • better
likeness titan the photograph I saw in the shop. The
features are the same now es In 18% and 1669.

7.01.710 BIEISEI: I are In the employ of ?desert Cory
Brothers nod Co., merohanta and shlphrokens, at Cardiff. I
have been there between seventeen and eighteen years. I
rsmemher a person named tunrigrep In their employ In
isms and hint A gentoman named PpArk was in their
employ at she fame time. I was present a. a witness at
Lundgren's trial at Carddr, In 1067. tie then asked me
111 wcosid ss.or, he Inas Inn baron. I eel lied that If he
had bei.n In a room with hunere Is of persons, and I
shot my me.. :tint h. spoke, I would swear he was
Lundi;ren. Ile had told Captain Parry, from whom
he h.id obtained the non eO, that his name was g!tistrong.
I recognised In a Photorrapn that wss Blown resin Cardiff of
Lola toe same man CS Lendgren I said, however, that I
should know him beVer with his hat off, as he was partly
baio. I Came to London on d•totrniay nignt last by the mail
trot, and this morning I saw LAP. I recognise i him as
Karl Lundgren who was In the same office at floodlit with
me

Crosnsxamined : I was a Sri ness sgslost him at Cardiff
EDWARD SPARKS: I am cashier In the service of Messrs.
blerychurch and Co.. at'Cardiff In lefoi and 1457 I was with
theirs. Cory Brother. I knew a person !lensed Karl Lunch
pen from November. 1856, until the summer of 1857, in the
same amply. Jean Lois to the saute person as Karl Land-
au'''.

: I lieVer SSW him after 1867 wail this
m His hnlr Wag light In colour.

The court then again adjourned.

The trial was rcsumed on Tuesday morning—the
one hundred and thirty seventh day.
Mr. FREDERICK PALMER, from the office of the Director
of Cokric Erneris In Fardemerit-street, pro limed Voinme I.
of the grrerst register r f in de conviAs nenttnced to penal
servitude, containing a phot graph of each prisoner with a
description of him The Oro MY sent Up after tic
release of a convict. (the register wee examined by the
Judge..) .

Croes•ecomtned : The marks on a convict were aslerfained
before he Won soot to the gov rnmeht orison, and they were
entered torah rolt called the Penal It. c 41 with the governor's
mitts's. -fleet no to a prisoner being released, he ought to
be exornined to tee whether the marks upon him corres-
pond with the entry In the Penal Rec .rd. If there were
any more marks they were Ineerted with the initials
of the governor. The mouth was always examined,
to see whether a prisoner had lost any teeth. fie
had also brought with him the Penol Record, When
• convict woe literate i on a ticket.of-leave, a notice of
'1 it with his phot 'graph was forwarded to the police autho-
Cities in the district where he was going, and also to the
I registrar of Criminals at Whitehall II the man removed
from one district to another be ought to report himself, ainl
' If he did not he was liable to have his licence forfeited. The
fact of his having removed wallout giving notice wts re-
ported to the Rome Office and, his licence having been re
Yoked, he wee supposed to undergo the real of his sentence
in Millhank Prison.
dawns i Meng', & warder at Chatham convict prison and
iin ultra said a penal record sec 'repented . prisoner
to • hi, v ht prison. In the cise of John Lundgren the
roc tol came from Cardiff prison, He (a Rhos.) took his de-
seription, act notired a contraction of the little finger
4,f each ban I. after his photograph was tateo he was
stripped lathe I, ma-y. and he hbraelf examined him. Ho
saw Ike cohtrastion of the fingers, and band it was entered
I on the previous penal record. He found that while his
height was entered as fdt. 7110. he WAS really fat. 710., and
he made the correction. From art original mord, it appeared
that he was committed on the 10th and convicted on the
I 14th or October 1811/ He received • resolielon of several

I Ilth of

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43:1-17-1/167golstg tolia—D-aelZnt—eTl(soigne Aid &met?.
Lo.-.g at the man who sits there (Lute). Do you
utse WM 7—Yet
As *hum 4—Au John Lundgren.
The min whose desoriptlon pun wrote in the Intim-My ?
The lame.
gr oir.istic,irroutlrrtio I: Sew Lute In. private roes this
mor .14 said to h!m, Lundnfl u, show me your handl, "
I Ile Rem-, is oat of his oockets, and, looklug ii them.
morn etudructlon of th. ie
1,, eros• sandnatt it, the witnites Was a, If the thlr I
.fipoter of one of Lute's, Lauds was not Loolovable. Lute
strad up and rxhlAted Diet old, and tbe whoees, Wang
hold of the now, said he was of opinion It c.otld he eadly
moved.
In reply to the Lord Chief .Insllee the witness said thut
the oo:dreetion of the little lingers-of Lundgren “Orre.pomd le
with those of Let,.
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Mr. JAMES WILLIAM FOSTER, • clerk In the firs of
Parry, at.' p wok,e, A Cardiff, bald tn..t in 1817 • pers4m rt -
Preseutieg himself as Captain nafstron carT.e to their office.
rho 1.0 In coort, WOO tie same Individual. Fie said he
we master of a v. i el cited the Carolina In POW' rth Ards,
ff Cardiff, and he °Walt.' • earti of E2O, legnlr g a book
fnr
the amount. Ho was present when Elalatron was given unto
cost •dy tor obtaining tie money uncle false pretences, and
silo win n hu was clovicted for the cff ence.
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Mr HENRY C. NUORINOHAM, formerly a partner In the
firm, who gsve corroborative evidenos, said he gave 8•610011
into custody hinvelf. He had nt the 'debt •at iloubt he was
the same man. Safetrou was convicted under the name of
Lundgren.

Mr (t 0000 K S. STONE, 0 011 p-broker and merchant at Car-
diff, wluar, Win was formerly known as Sully and Mane, amid
that In 1854 he had a clerk In his servi. named Lundgren.
He was employed princlpal'y out of doors. He di not re.
Collect hilt Chrittlan name. Ile was paid weskit wages, and
he (-find Irmo his hooks that on November 55, 1554, he re-
ceived thirty &Linoso and ninet en.. The last payment he
Could iroon wagon February 19, 1-55. Lundgren then left.
and he helleved he vriered the service of Mark White/ell and
Co., of Bristol. Saw Lute ye*terday morning, aiLl fr-n 'gold"
lam a. tte man woo had been in bla service las Wririgren.
Cron examined :Saw Lundgren many Mums after February,
1855. Ist Bdatol and Cargill.

Mr. WILLIAM Hiatt! MARTIN, ship-broker and steam
towing eg,,nt as Cardiff, who knew Lundgren when he was
in the service of Sully and Stone sod Corm and Son, also
identified Lute as the same man.
In coos* oxaminatio.,, ii)e witness said he had seen 5 yr.
Stove.. an Banns', at C •rdlif.
Mr Bonetly • Do yon know that he ti emplor` t 4 1,0111
Bute ? (Ltuanter.)—l do not.
The dlne, sail thst Stevens showed him a 1 hotograph,
but he told Tim that he shou'd not him to :a tar tg, it initg
he had seen the man. 8 evens premed him O 'ionic to
He was met by some Or e at the Paddlotton statt,n. •
faneini he was connoted with Scoilanthyard Walrus Os was I
very polio-. but he d d not know him. Lsughter Ha had
aiso seen Clark, the dole° lye. He recognised Lula as tsikti
grin the moment he saw him drive up in a cab from VW
prison.
in Mr. Justice Mellor: I have no doubt he is the souse
person.

GEORGE WILLIAMS, salimakee at Cardiff, said that In
1507 'person ea •,.e to him an, required for Messrs. Pane's
Mhos and he showed him He I epresented himself to be the
captain of • vessel in Pen ,t Roads, lie saw Lute this
morning, and ideitlifed him as the same mau, lie had snot
the e ightest doubt about it.
Mr. HERMAN TRANA, In the semice of provision metohents
in Lin-rn9a, Sala that in 1650 and 1851 he was in the employ
of Joseph Heald and Co., shipbrokers, of Newcastle.upon-
Tyne. In the course of his service he went on board a ship
called the Isere la at North Shields to solicit employment In
connection won the vessel. it• had learnt nef•tre that the
Captain's name was Carl Lundgren, and Remade hie a:quaint.
ance on begird. He did not get the ship, and he saw no
more of Lundoen for a year or two. In 1953 or 1,54 he
was in the service of John Lundgren and Company, ship.
brokers in HulL and he again saw Carl Lundgren., alio
was a clerk In the lame employ. After he (witness)
lolt their a-rvice he colored into bush.. on h p own
about in Hull, and he employed Carl Lunegren toe' Holt
business from ship. whirh attired. Having been ab.ent
for • foitniett he received on his return a oommuri talon
from Heald awl C with respect tu POMO business lc. hid
done for :hem. He saw them, and aim como,hined of hav-
ing been sent the chart v of a vette I which had Do ex-
latonce. He rt turned Ii Bali, and found Lundgren In
tad : and he said to hint. "I thiuk you have swindled
me." Afterwards he ceased td have anything to do
w.th Lundgren. Ile could not lie the date of Ilia
trammetion, nor go nearer tnan say it w. In 1853 or 1854
He had no books to refer to. In 111e2 or 1863 he was in Bri tot
for sin months During that peitoi he met Lundgren on board
a Russian Edo, and saw him iv Itueutly afterwan's in Bristol,
bat did not know what he was uoing. Saw Lute for the nes;
time yesterday nwrnl,m. Me we. the same person—Cnarles
Lundgren, of Gottenburg.
The anis., was timely cross-examined as to his various
employments. Ile weld he was • Swede, and that he was
introduced Into tne cave by recelviog a oomniunication from
the flattish c.o.] Liverp .1, oho asked him If he knew
a p,rson named Carl Lundgren, and showed him some photo'
traits
Mr. JOHM LENDOREE, of ll,neferry-road, Westminster,
Indualglog clerk f the foreign &martins ut tl a firm In
Lbod..n, said he am a native of Finland, and .me to this
sountry lu 1818. Ile carried on the business of a shiphroker
In lieu fri ni 1851 te 1657. The last witness was to his en.
yite as g.Alerk irom 1053 to the middle 56 1854, A person
named C P Luudgnu, who was mtled Cn.ales, a Swede,
entered his service as water or balroing clerk, ain't he
remsbied until anont the Summer of 1854. H. recollected
he went just before the Crimean war. Hot in.hte wag s.« lied
Ilse his we, rut Inc was no relation. Sax Lute last night,
hut after the rising of the smut
La he tire • a Be man 7—The very Identical men. (Lulfibter.)
I said to him "How do you die and he repli,ut, "Eon
thou kn .1.3 me (Langhtgrj The witness then said that
his managing dere 1.. Hiatt Nu Ssmpsi S dela, who was
also a well.bwe f the item. The last finn. li. 1.0, Lundgren
was in Bristel lu 1802.

Mr. SAMChL ,flirms, of the firm of SMe'ds and Co., th'p-
brokers, 111,1, Rave co firmafory teetirtoo.y, aud said that
aim et daily in Hull he saw Carl LUudaren, hit only while be
was in the same straits, but until the lit er part of 1654.
Lula eels the .{...• 0111/1 he knew by that Mal. Io lull.
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ro Mr. Jostles : I have in;t the oUghtes.t-do-at about
the man.

%4r. FREDERICK CRAPBERG, a thipbroker at Hul' and
a na ice or 1, tt, d icat no went with inns no tile
occasion wheu he charged Curl Lundgren with iteceivii
him, end said it occurred In August, IhSt. lie believed Lute
to be the same man

In cross-essmlnitlom he sal he hid frequent nonversa-
tlous with lancgrer tiring the mouths of Sley. June. and
July. 1r64.
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lona dischasion here arose as to whetherftere were any
wrinkles oft the for, esd cl the prison ph,, °graph, Mr.
a•s• rtio4 that Owe w t, atti tl4l thy •.I a,t
Cr in Lute, r.t.tl prop,l t • tritstlob the WILUOI,ott the
to J et.
Woo of the jury said It was Immatrrisl w!,ether Labs had
'etiolate or 0.4 on hi. forehead.

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kir. genesis I hope, !If, )on will not take upon yours_if
to pronounce the verdict of toe jury.
'fee jurymen I rio tellUng of toe kind. sod 1 protest
againit suchan insinuation.

Mr. Kent&ly . I Intend to make a tron point np MI that
matter -

--lie-Juryman : I hop. you will oct wute Urns upon it.
Mr. 1(11.41/il, : I must wiwte time lu Milun my A tit,.
An •tucr urpmin: there are no wilok.es on the photr-
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sr-7T Kenealy :I do not care what Is the opinion of two or
three jurymen, unless tbej expreot the united opinion of the
Pm-
Here an intimation from the rest of the jury that they
thought there were no Irrynkles caused some laughter.
genealy ill course, tf the jury are all united on the
question of the wrinkles. it is no use my pursuing the sub-
jrct (laughter) . but I contend there are other points of dis-
similarity.
The next witness was also a Swede, Mr. THIRLING,
out-
liter, of Hull, who drq,sed to constantly seen, Carl
Lutdaren in Hull in August and September, 1854, and said
that Lttle was the same man.
Cron-examined: I saw Mtn almost daily, because he and
Other Swedes Mtt at the " Mina's* Motel" in Hull.

Mr. JAIIE.9 COOPER : I am clerk to bleier& Humphreys,
thiehull ere. Han In 1863 sod 1854 I knew the thin of
John L .ndiren, ei Hull. I knew.Trana, Shields, and Laud
area 110 ee the latter frJrn tie latter pare oi 1863 to tt e
middle of 1854, ate,. I last rieht of him. I again ewe RI,
yeeterdayano to.dey. Lute Ia to same person. I heard he
had CO 1.8 bum ha t-nherg
Crow-examined I cent flu the particular date when I
saw him in 1863 and 1854. I have not him at the Minerva
Hotel. I may recollect spetking to hint once. I item fret
epokrn to ab ut the matter on Saturday last In Hull by Mr
Bowker.

By the Lord Chief Juatice : I only oaw him once at the
Minerva Hotel.

Mr. Jour(11. TALLEEN: lam clerk to Messrs. Phillips and
Co., Bf. Ihmstan's Hill. I am. Swede. I first arrived at
Hui from Sweden in February, 1854. I there became ac-
quainted with a person named Lundgren. I th'nir he waa
then out of employ. I frequen,ly saw him on tie quay end
on beard ship with the captains of vessels I continued to
see him until the autumn of the same year when he len
flog t into disgrace wmut a charter. Mr. Harbest in
got up a suhacripti in for him to get rid of lain from Hull,
and he wet mint from Hall I believe to Cardiff. I subscribed
to the fund. I never saw him again until yesterday. Lie Is
the same man.

Mn. ELIZA tlota,g.nnE : I reside In Bate-street, Cardiff. I
have lived in Candi( since 1861. I knew a person there
roamed Karl Lundgren, and his being married there. I knew
him In the latter part 01 1854, and he o.arrled In April, 1856.
Fits wile's maiden name wall Sarah Coulburn. I WAS not
present Lt the marriage, but Lundgren took her to church
from my father's, the " Scandinavian " Hotel He was
marrbd at Melkeham, In Wiltshire. I knew hire ahout a
year before he wee married. Luba lathe same man.

- .......
Cross examined Tue only change I see in him I. that he
Is a littie • Ider I knee him directly I saw him. Mr. ',wrens,
nolicttor. Cardiff showed me a photograph on Saturday after-
noon. There was no name that I noticed at the bottom of
the photograph. I was with Mr. Stevens about dve minutes.
11 ARY Mrliirna JOHN am ilhe'aiepdaughter of the last
'One... I aio mserirff and reit le at Cardiff My father
kept the Scandinavian " Hotel at Cardiff. I knew Karl
Lni.dgren end Sarah Coulbourn before they wiire msrri.d. I
have lint +ern him since hie marriage Until yesterday. Lute
lithesome person.

o.os...examined : IWM not at the [earflap. I wag rant(
when he was married. I was more than six or sewn year,
of age then. I believe he has ill-umd his wife. I was
sp key to last S Ayr lay, and I saw a photograph at Mr.
Mayon'. with J Lute at tie hoitom. Ho ask dme 111
Could recognile it, and I said ' it is Lundgren."

SARAH LUNDORYS was then called. Her appearance In the
box canted (ODD a semation in thr court: I am DOW
In Brim: I. at NI 11, in the H. me Pair. I an the dan:l ter
of Mr. W.llisdn Walborn, braider, of Mellmharn. In 1661
100,0 fri.mel, of mine kept the S.m2dinavian Hotel at
Carlin. 1 wins on a visit to them Jost bAore Chri•tmae,
1864 I there made the acquaint:ln er of a person called
Karl Peter Lnorigrel. I afterwards ma, led him on the 2nd
vi Aord, 1.66, at Melt:o4m After my hrishand cawe nut of
Prison a. Bristol lived with him for 1ie.... be, and then he
left me. I bid him good-bye at Reading to go to my father's
at Me ka1.8., ;le t id me ts: wan going to Livorpool.
I recdved a letter from him from QleBnat wir, In Ire-
land. I replied to It. firat I. the only letter I have
received from him. lie Lever afterwards communicated
with me, Ile told rue he bBlonged to dtenberg, in
Sweden, nod that h 8 had been I,i Iluq, whrolt he left, and
Woe to Cardiff. I see my busbard vow in court. 'llia MITI
Ws la the same.
BY die La iv Chief justice: I can't remember when we
parted at Reuling It wan alter be Come out of prison Is
1866, after he Wan tried at &feted

C.oel-esamin..d : I was applied to re ElitardNy. Three
Bristol dtt dives came to me at my own tio.e. I waa
rhan olio ph rt. g eon mph 'AIWA Leine at the bo.t.no.
hoy Caked mu It I knew ICu 7t I th. ug. t it WAS my
behead. I aula I would Iva N....4...er to th I.lteni es.
By the L thief Justice : When I law Lille this morn-
ing I recoglibrd him. I have no doubt about it. He
told me that he broke LIB little Huger saving himiiell In a
wreek
The courtthen again adjourned.

On 'Wednesday morning Jean Lola we/again brought
no from Holloway prison in the custody of Mr.
Westherhead, the Governor.
Upon the suggestion of the foreman of the jury, it
was arranged that the Court should adjourn for the
Christmas holidays on Friday, the 19th inst., and sit
again on Mond ty, the 29th, at half-past ten o'clock.

The lint witness exiled was fliror,og jig gm. clerk in the
0r... of Corry. Brother., ship-br kers at C.trdiff and Broeny-
square, London. On the 4th of Ju y last a me... tiling him-
self Captain Landbag, of the ship Amazon, then at Bearst,
came to the London °Mee rind pr,oiu ed • Intl.!. front
Gurnee Unfit,, of lirttenburg, the owners, outing them to
pr cure • freight for the chip arvi advsnce him (La, dbas)
£3O or £4O itc:mrd'nfr to hie requirement. The told
Mo. that It ea& irregular to adv.nee money under loch dr-
Ctlms'ance. and he would comu.m.lcate with the firm at
Cardiff. Nest day Land hag Came agalo, at his retter, al el
he ("diner's) said he would go and fetch • Mr Windaor
before he advanoed the money. He did so, and when he re-
turned with Mr. Windsor, Captain Leadhag had gone, but
had left word that he would cuLl again next morning. He,

however, never called iota lie 01W Lute WI
he swore. he wee the same men.

WALUIt. lONE% soother .rleric to the cente (hoe, said that
after ea. unt *hum left her Mr. Windsor, Csotalu Learn aor
waded fdt a tooter of an hour and then said he would
lit t and return eliortly. fie never returned.
Witness it. Lute on Tuesday week, and st once ree.olllll* d
him as the saute or nem, fie had not the leas, doubt on the
subject. This witness having hen cr es-exandue rby Mr.
lientaly at coLsidr rabid length as to Ca., had oaand
him anti the solicitors and the detectives 0.1,,re sod
alter he saw Lute,
Toe Lord Chief Justice sold : In the ordinary coons, the
itstemsnt eta witness mil t be tat. it down hi an Ott Into.
Mr /trek!. lilt hed not ben done, the whiten wonl.l
not have bombers.
it J r•yorsit (to e Wens): Irld the eul citors tell yeti what
you were Cr wry I—Certainly not.
'Pas L ,Tll Chief J ogled : That ii really what it all comes to
practically.
Mr. Kenealy said he did not mean to convey that, but
wist.ed to chow that one witness atter r other bad been
talked to and oh ,wie the photographs in oath a way as to
tr. Tern certain impression and to greatly il.fl.llCa their
. . .

The Lord Chief Justice : That may be your ohj,et, but
hitherto you have sigindly fared in It; and I cannot help
thinking our tune hae been ;lady wasted.
Mr. K ,nealy Tort is a matter for the j try. Your lord.
sh,p is perpetually insulting we from the bench—l don't
know why.
Me Lord Chief Jnetice What do y.. 0 say t
Kenealy : Your lordship is repeat, dly intultlng me
fro 0 the bench. ,
Tile Lord Chief Justice (warmly): Don't, sir, use that
language* to me, be.ause I will not b-ar it !
Mr Ken, al); I coal ler, from • lot your lord-hip has fast
Sail to no, and taking into account tie lattliefolls other
things in Vie same apt. It that have been directed to nor,
. . .

Iho L ad Chief Juttioe : You have no husinas to address
such laugu,go to nor ; I will not suumit to it.
Mr. Just! a Loan : It is high Elmo to put al end to this
line of orosaciamination, as a great deal of time has Wreak:),
been neeied.

The Foreman: it has no effect on the Mind Of the jury.
A thulium. None ehatever.
Mr. Katmai, salts, without wishing to cast any imputa-
tion on toe grammes, he asked tie ler?, for the mum, he
had Mated, t suepend their judgment upon their evidence.
Mr. J ustice Lush thought there was no cause for the in-
enitell.li that the minds of the jury had been loam-nerd in
the manlier suggested, a:ding am it was not only the judg-
ment of the rench but of the joy that • greet deal of time
had needlessly been wasted iti ti., cross-examination.
Mr Antic. Mellor Sir. Kenealy, I mach regretted to
wt :it you swot to the Lord Cuba Justice, and tor tl is
lie pl.- tithe first time I eyes beard theta judge
u riot ai iitHrti, to Interpose in such • crosierzeinii atioll
WI. t•ie are reiterated so constantly.
" the Lord 01,4 Justice: It was not until every witossi On
ta.kag ottioh:•, Irmo, had been repeats ly asked the same
soretof question. without ithythiug being Elicited to shake
nonlitience 1.. their statements—A course whether they are
right or wrong its their identillcatlen of Lath is another
matter—is was not mall ail them questions had been put
without any answer being given to lead one to tuppose for a
'noire, that a single wittiest had formed a judgment by
roue,i, of what had been said t ibis t. sol cito•s, io ica, or
anybody ehe, in hi thought it nEcessary to Interpose and
biy that time had been welt. din these thwart.. It it the
'pinion also of my learned brothers that It hs toe duty of •
judge under such eirencusialeyes to Interfere sad protect the
solid against senate of the public lime, aid ills flit con-
sistent with decency for • coin lei to tell • judge that he in-
, sults htm when he makes such au observation.

Air Kenosly I must In the comiu,t of a ease exerebrs
my reason anti discretion. Pc ssibly I may have been ind.s-
ertet-

Lb e I,rd Chief Justice ; Certainly ; but It Is neither dis-
creet ior decent to make to &judge the observatk n ou hove
at droned to me._
•- • -
. .

3,r. If : You have reptated that frequently. and I
must only soma-nit from your lordship. 1 can only say my
opt' lon is not altered.
The Lord Chief Justice : i can only icy that during the
reventesu years I have bet is on the b.nch I have never had
an unpleasant word with ',sunset until I had the misfortune
to preside at this trial
Mr lia•kine Tat is quite true. (A 'sentiment which
seemed to be echoed ay the Isar.)
Mr. Kenealy All I can say Is that I have done the best
to ay.,l 'IL

Mr. Jamie/ Lush : I can only add that I hoard your oh-
flop. w.th astonishment, and that I think the °deuce Is
sagr aaaaa d hy having bran coromit,ed by a gt n.lem us hold
Mg Vie t ffl JO of one t I her Majesty's counsel, w. o UIVYS
special duty of obedlehca to her Msjeaty's Conn
Mr. Kenealy Your lordship has twice taxed me with
that.

Mr. Justice Jush I think it is an aggravation coming
from a gentleman /le thas position, who ought to net an
example
lr Kenesly; I have never suffered so much as I have In
this trial.

the Lord Mel Justice IL cause you have brought ft upon
yourself.
Mr Kenea'y I on't thick 10. .
• "" " •

,
Mr. Justice Mellor : I this Is repeated at any other Mal
the ...:nesebne.4...o of justice nil be seriously impeded. I
recollect Mai whoa hi. B:irse: was in t:u. country be ex-
press., the opinion that the vod selsams which subsisted
here bet's. si the bench aim the tsar w re 0, Iticilmatelli
value, bec.nse they Coward the ousioese to g ji ii
rmo il 1,. but those relsisons would be at an ei.d. If &judge
do he trove.' as you have ire and not ,sly icy I,rel Chief
Jul It* but every judge on the bench.
Mr. Ketiessis : Because I have been treated.. no counsel
has ever been treated bef• re lu Westminster Hsi'.
. . . . .

the Lord Chia, Jt.ltoce : Yt u have brought it clown upon
UAL A counsel is to; to be .11.,ee Ito outrage ittueucy
otU vt.late ell tne ordinary rules of proms ty it tile admit-
esttation of NA ce entuout oohing rie•ti ice vosuse of she
inch. A jed.te Is wanting tu his Lucy If he outs not inter-
pose when a countel eu acts.
. . . . . .

-tr. lieuealy : 1,:i17,70t corollate: It the couture wtre
conveyed Ii ifferent ltllllll, but has been °neve, ed In the
..ttterly tltenslve laugusge that coul I Lave been
selected.

(Id
ment Lord Chief Justice made an exelamatdon of astonish-
. __ _

Mr. henealy : I am sorry to say that Is my °pluton, sni
eau not altar it.

the Lord Chief Justl,e : Then let us go on.
WILLIAM FIZNI:1" WINDSOR, of the firm of Windsor and
Co., said Via, on thole!. of July a person representinz
rdroself n, csplii I of a ve,s-I called the Amazon, at
Lowestoft, caure, auu bringing wish him a letter or Intr.
ouction, sraute I an advance of £2l Cr £3O. He went out
to ma.- I (Lionel", aim! when he returned marlin had gone.
lii' ham! asked the firm to get a charter for Lira 'vessel. Lige
W 24 the same man.

HRNRY E. 03300311 gave corroborative evi brace.
WM MATRWIN, of the firm of Head and Co. of Now.
ctn. I , liii. U... Doe, In the lame of Captain Grundlind,
in st-r of the If arguenta, as Lowestob, in October, ISt5,
Cadet the pretnet of erupt. ynog them to get a charter for
the vessel, for • voyage to Barcelona, obtaned au advance
ci £l2. Allerwarn• they I. nod that the vessel had yo cc
Iste,ce. For th f mud Groodland Wllll tried at Newcastle
ou to. 3rd of Jarvsry, 186 e, and sentenced to imprit =merit
in the Howse of Correction for an mouth. with hard Isbour.
Ha had no doubt Lute was the same penou.
JOHN TODD, It tiers In the same firm, said I hat on being
arrested Lute declared that he was Peter Paterson. (Laughter)
GEORas ItitMeS, of the Cost, Mt, Liverpool, isld that no
yerrei collrd the Cireastin arrived at tturt port In May,
,re,,e, or July 1.4, RAT. a Steamer from Quebec, wl.tell ar-
rl.ll n.he 19th of 111.,y. (Lute had sold DO arrlrod by the
Ciresseits In June from New York.)
Mr. PLoWDEN. a member of the bar, said he came by the
Circesna from Quebec. at.ti he recollettted she arrind on the
19 II of May, b.cau•e that was the irerby Day. (Laubhter.;
She aild not call at New York.
ALEXANDER NACIONAL., purser of the Circoptio, odd
that Lut- was not to tin list of passengers, aLd there were
Ho stowaway*.

CHARLES J. CHA MAN, shipping agent at Folker'one,
tha.. no mall or pumps, boats went between that port aid
I itend. The only re.aele he knew In ten nays go
°stand were too, employed by Mears. Rothschuu to carry

GtoIOE WILITELEr was called to give ealdence to the
CM.. Met.

This was the whole of the evidence for the Crown.

Alter some discussion between Mr. Kenealy and the
bench, it was arranged that Luie's pers oi should be
examned for hernia aid marks by two surgeons, and
that Mr. Kenealy s ould have time to consider between
then and the following morning what course he would
adopt with regard to the evidence that had been given
relative to Luie.
The Court then adjourned.