The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-06-01 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

SOUSE: OP CQAMONS.-ZYzitEßiAy.

The Speaker took'the chairat four o'clock. • •
Oa the motion of the day that the house should go into com-
mittee of supply,
Major EDWARDS asked the Secretary of State for War
whether any correspondence has passed between the War-
office and the Treasury, or any other department of the
Govemmenf, respecting the omission from the army estimates;
of the usual vote for the annual training of the yeomanry
cavalry, and if so, whether he has any objections to produce
such correspondence. The mischief done to the service by
these +intermissions of practice was far beyond the small saving
involved.
General PEEL complained that the tendency of the present
Government was to reduce the regular force of the nation
below its requirements. Whatever might have been said by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer or by Mr. 'Wilson, it would
be imposible with due regard to tke defences of the cour.try,
to reduce the standard below the leVel fixed by the late
Govetnment. The report of the Commission on Army Organi•
sation about to be presehted, woud prove that the:
number of regular troops at home- was not sufficient.
It was to be lamented that the practical effect of , the arrange-
ments of the Golerninent• was to reduce the strength of the
arniybelo* the number fixed by the late administration. The
financial arrangements for the military service of the year were
inadeqiiate, and sufficient consideration was not paid to the
extraneous-services of the militia, the reserve, or the volun-
teers, whose services, in tithe of , emergency, would be
invaluable, He added a high eiilogium on the zeal and Ml-
cienCy of the regular arms.
Me. ,T. LOCKS ealled attention to the grievances of the Land
Traport Corps, who had been unjustly.treated on their dis-
missal after the Crimean war.
AldeiiiiiiiSalonion and Colonel North eonSidered-thitthe
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claims of these men deserved consideration.
Mr. DEEDS, while congratUlating the country on the success
-of the Volunteer movement, deprecated the neglect of yeomanry
on that account.

M. CoxoLLY• complained of the interference of the,War,
office with the Irish fisheries, and characterised Mr. Sidney
Herbert as a monster poacher;
.The Wat-offlee WO put forward
Nelaim to these fisheries on account of their proprietorship of
the Martello Towers anclother property. This claim was nick,
unfounded, as would be shown by the returns for which he
had moved. When in possession of those returns he should
submit a motion (bran address restraining the War-office from
the use of these fisheries.

Sir DE LACY EVANS called attention to the appointment of
General Grey to the colonelcy of a regiment, complainiag that
°theirs; with far !tronger elainistboth of service and seniority,
had been passed over, and that the real circumstances of the
case would never have been made publicly known to the seere-
tary-at-war. The appointmelt was altogether at variance
with the principles of promotion laid by the Duke of Wel-
lington, as officers; after years• of hard work in the field,
were passed over by a man whose chief recommendation
appeared to be that he was private secretary to the Prince
Consort. The appointment was further contrary to the princi-
ples repeatedly proclaimed in debates in that House. Few
acts of the War-office of late years had given more universal
dissatisfaction.

Mr. ADDERLET called attention to the report of the Committee
on the Military Duties of the Colonies, complaining of the
large sums wasted in that service, and contended that, while
this country was bound to defend the colonies externally, the
colonies themselves were bound to look after their internal
defences, points especially urged in the report, and which he
strenuously defended.
Lord ROBERT Clem impugned the report of the committee,
which, if acted upon, would endanger the connection of the
colonies and the mother country. What the colonies feared
was not a colonial, but an imperial peril, from which tail
ought to be protected.

Mr. C. Fcritrstemc said that the argument of Mr. Adderley,
if It was goo& for anything; was good for the separation of the
colonies from the mother country altogether. It was the
apprehensiort:of atti^ks on accdunt of imperial quarrel
which necessitated the reteMion of a military force in the
colonies.

Mr. WILLIAMS protested against the expenses incurred by
England in defence of her colosies. The colonies of other
nations, on the contrary, contributed to the support of the
mother country.
General UPTON wished to know if the rates of pension to
non-commissioned officers and soldiers discharged in a help-
less state was to be increased. -
Colonel Knox asked whether the Secretary for War intended
to, carry out hit proposal for abolishing purchase in the army
after the rank of major. He protested against such a plan, as
meaning nothinglmt rank jobbery.
Sir C. Nseien, adverting to the complaint as to our military
• and naval expenditure, gave one of his ordinary inscriptions
of the alarming preparatione of France, and declared that the
navy, so far from being too large, was greatly too small.
Sir F. SMITH observed that our establishment at home could
not be regulated till that in India was settled. He objected to
the extravaisincii of many of the estimates.
Sir F. Nix censured the Government for delaying so long
their measures for the defence of the country, which ought to
have preceded the army estimates, and which were of far
more importance than the reform or any other question.
Mr. S. HERBERT, in reply to this last question, said that
full details would be given as to the intentions of the Govern-
ment. The expenses which would be required for this pur-
pose Were-so great that he was glad of time for consideration
at to the sources whereby they were to be met. Replying to
Major Edwards, he said that the omission of calling out the
yeomanry was not unprecedented. It has occurred as late as
1537, without impairing the efficiency of the force, respecting
which the Government felt great interest; the only reason
was economy in a • year of great pressure. After defending
the Guards from the charge of uselessness brought against
them during the debate, and declaring that they were always
ready in the hour of • danger, and adverting to a variety of
technical matters brought forward by the several speakers, he
defended the present expenditure by declaring thkt it was due
to the arrears and deficiencies they had met, owing to the
'unwise economy of former times. Regarding the. Land
Transport Corps, a committee had examined their claims,
and pronounced them to be unfounded, with "which
opinion he entirely agreed. He believed that the Government
had strictly performed the conditions under which the/ were
engaged. Adverting' tO the Colonial question, he said that the
Government would be most unwise to propose any plan till the
Colonies themselves had been fully consulted. Replying to
Mr. Conolly, he said that the property of the War-office con-
ferred the same prliileges as property acquired by any one
else, one of which was the exercise of manorial rights.
He defended the appointment of General Grey, who had
been on colonial service for many years, and was engaged
in most of the important services of his time. General Grey
hail himself been repeatedly paned over by officers his juniors.
Many of those who were his seniors had long since retired,
and many others had been promoted with fewer claims. The
Duke of Cambridge had declared that General Grey was
entitled to his regiment on his own grounds, without regard
to his place at court ; in fact, if he had not had that place he
would have had his regiment long ago. -It would be Nose
impolitic ifia place at'court involved a bleak mark agairist any
Officer's name, and it would have been enact of mere cowardice
to have refused whit was.due to General Grey on that account.
Mr. DISRAELI likewise thought it his duty to protest against
the doctrine that an officer holding a position in Court was
thereby to be precluded from promotion. The effect of this
would be to fill the Court with officers of an inferior class.
After a few remarks from Colonel Dickson, the House went
into a committee of supply, when a vote of 1,909 additional
men and £2,2.86,701 for pay and allowances, was agreed to.
The remainder of the sitting was occupied by the discussion
of these estimates.

Sir John Barnard's Act Repeal Bill was read a third time and

passed.
The Nuisance Removal and Diseases Prevention Bill passed
through committee.

On the motion of Lord Palmerston, the names of Lord
Hotham and Mr. Collier were added to the Select Committee
on Tax Bills.

The llOuse then adjourned at ten minutes past one.

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