The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1874-10-27 00:00:00

THE DORSET COUNTY EXPRESS AND AGRICULTURAL GAZETTE, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 1874.

--_

iogAzugAs sgaSiONS. hi similar terms he touched on cocoa and mustard, and
DoRsET It
_ the legislature had taken the same view of the matter.
Th, ,ivil budae is of the County for the Mkhaelaxas TtriProceed
I at the G.,tarl dory Cigarette r, County iuy witnemes have declared the failures and hardship, In
term was eosellioir: -•2.—• w,,r, m.c...,.._ carrying out the Act hate berm chiefly due to the Monument:*
Bgp. op Tuan.l:lT susernove. nic-
...
~ and lee\ scrience of the anairitt Tour .tornittee whilst
The Hight Hoe. Vis•mm. rili..n tn. ref,. tlnio„ front endorsiog this wholcule condemnation, admit
no Bihht Hoe. the I:. -1 0; :tn.! t,'•ilC7.
that nouns of th,se gentlemen aopcar to have evinced more
Itie4t lion. tise i:vl of E. ,'"ii. :-....1 than d; trctien lo carrying out their novel and difficult
Right HOIL Ll 'i A 'Alt,. dutivi. I i some attic, indext a decided want of chemical
Mr. John Myer. M.P. 1., 11, P. r. Candre. kneel-tut,* il.l. b :en pruned, bin vo more than wag to he
Hon. Evelyn Asntty. Itl ...I. It. I. ilt,,a 0t,.. exptc!:: I Ira.. the sodden veil made for the services of adepts
Sir W. Inks Me;!yzott M,.. C. It. it.. 1. tea 1,-...vet of c emistry woo lia I not previounly been very
Sir Richard tiews,w Olin. M... T. B. Ittit'usto. highly valued. Witurnics teetiti.al their belief that few really
B. M Y.. 1. W. B. II twketworth. eon s' ent an.dvein were at premnt to he found in this country,
air blob-nen: H. Nepean. 11,. I:. L. Einderdey au,' no enthent chemist. stated In did not think more than
Mr. E. V. Antell. M. W. C. Lanbert. 'adz it rorti men existel.• '
Mr J. Mount:Batten. Mr. B. Lqt:shales. The Parliamentary committee suggested that the two
Mr. T. It 11111.1. Mr. IL N. Middleton. . Adulteration Alt, should be repealed and one amended
Hu T. Bold Mr. .1. U. P. Montagu. • act lusicuL The issue of it all was—
Kr. N. Howl Mr. 11. B. Millilletou. In conciusiou, your c uninittee believe It will afford some
Mr. W. E. Bryiner. Mr. A. E. M in el. i coosolatioa to the public"—
Mr G. IL B iouL JI .. C. J. Pa •tte. t And therefore, he hoped some to the inhabitants of
Mr J. H. Eskraft. Mr. H. V,arce. this county anongut whom they had not administered the
Mr. W. T. Cox. Mr. L. ti. Paget. Ar t
Mr. S. S. Cox. Mr. 11. 0. F. istewinL or. know that In the matter of adulteration they are cheated
Mr. W. 11. Cderaft Mr. Cam Sykes. rather than p4:../Irti...
Mr. G. O. Churchill. Mr. It. J. O. liwallield. He propostd that the further consideration of the subject
Mr T. Colfax. Mr. it. 11. Serrell. be i.i4poned to the Faster Sessiona
Mr. It if. Eliot Mr. G. Truett...Bullock. Agreed to unanimously.
Mr. G. E. Eliot. Mr. It. lb s num. root' AND MOUTH DISE ISE.
Mr. It. Frainte,on. M. H. W abate.. The Citateniv mentioned that under the Contagions
Mr. A. Foster. Mr. C. Well. Dicta es (Animals) Act only one case remained In itur.
Mr. J. J. F'arquharaon. Mr. M. Williltil& min.der division and eight in Shaftesbury, and said it
Mr. A. H. Finder. Mr. F. W. Williams. wotil.l lea great relief to exclude all other places from
Mr. 0. W. Fervor. ! Mr. 11. F. Yeativau. the (biers.
Mr. It. P. Fetherntonlaauzh. ' Bey. J. H. Auden. This wan agreed to.,
kir. 11. C. Goodilen. 1 Iles% J. Illennerha•sett. The Court adjourned.
Mr. Joseph Gundi. Rey. Carr John Lave.
MIN= PRISON.
The report gave the usual statistical information. The
counnitals howed an increase of tfl on the same quarter
last year. It of that number, however, being naval
prisoners. The dishur.ements were Lill 7.„ Cd. more.
Cost of lire vi hail decreased Itl. per lb., and the toLd of
maitatenance ~, it way in HIJ. per heal per week teat
DII I LOLLS AND 'WILDING&
The report stated the new brhige at Thorncombe was
ttompleted, and rerotniuended £llOl to be paid to Briulport
Highway Bmirst As to improving Wareham Bridge,
.Mr.
Cooper, of linsiport, only had tendered. He would widen
it in stone and make good the approaches for Ltr2s, or in
brick for Lees. Towards it .I;:tAi had been voted ity the
Court and gled subscribed. Before sanctioning the
expenditure the committee reconimentied that the opinion
of a civil engineer should be taken.
Mr. Goootii:n said other bridges were narrow as that at
Wareham. He itiatanced Went bridge, near Sherborne.
But there the approaches were level with the bridge, and
accidents were avoided. He believed Wareham bride
was sOUna, and suggested its approaches should be rained.
The Chairman said the sum voted RIM wholly lona.
dent to do what the inhabitants required. A further
grant could only be wade after notice; and now the
question was raised, is it desirable to touch It at all. Ile
Wad Mr. Williams • opinion.
Mr. WitmAns said their lath Surveyor thought the
bridge could be widened and improved for £IUO. He
thought the Inhabitants might raise the south side of the
approach by the subscriptions they had, and that that
would meet all that WU required. Ile was opposed to the
expenditure of the large sum mentioned.
Mr. Nage said the committee did not propose it.
Mr. CAunarr maid he haul been over the bridge thousands
of times without accident. lie believed it was perfectly
sound,. and would outlast them all if left alone. Of course
it might be improved, but it was Dots matter of necessity.
He should like to see a better bridge, but did not think it
would be right for tlni Court to expend so large a sum for
that purpose.
The matter "was dropped, by the report being received
n the usual way.

FIRST COURT, WEDNESDAT.
(Before Mr. J. FUnF.II, 11. P., Deputy-Chairman).
The ‘-ourtq.opened at 10 o'clock on Wednesday, for the
crimin;tl J,u4!ne,is.

—;fie-fUlinirg gentlemen were sworn on the grand jury :
yr. R. Gene, Piddletown (foreman); Messrs. Chas. Austin,
Canford Magna; JIM Bakway, Blandford ; Chas. Brant,
lure Regis; Wm. 11. Chamen, Blandford; Jno. Clifton,
Wimborne ; ins. Cross, Thornconilke; W. Crumpler,
Horton : Jock Edroondsham ; Jos. Rerrimen.Gerne
Abbe,; Fred. Eddlson, Blandford ;Jos. Froud,Hampreston
Gilbert Groves, Blandford ; F. C. Hussey, Godmanstone ;
J. Joyce, Wimborne Minster; Walter Paul, Netherbury ;
A. Purities, Wimborne : S. Read, West Chelborough ; A.
Rev noble, Bndport ; G. A. Samson, Brldport ; H. J.
Smith, Stoke Abbott; W. Vickery, Bridport ; James
Worthy, Wolland.
Mr. A. Reynolds, Bridport, took the af6rmation instead
of the oath.

...-
Mr. J. FLOTZIL, in charging the Grand Jm7,
remarked that the calendar contained the names of 23
prisoners, which was an increase of 17 as compared with
the corresponding Sessions last year; aad Um calendar
also showed that during the quarter 166 persons had been
committed to /eel as against 139 in the same period of
1•73, or an increase of 27. In connection with these facie
It was noticeable that the Chief Constable, under whose
judicious management the society for the repression of
ruendicity was conducted, also reported that there had
been a small increase in the immixr of vagrants who have
applied for relief during the quarter. On previous occa-
sions he had directed their attention to the intimate
connection between vagrancy and crime, and now at the
first of many Sessions when there was a larger number of
prisoners, they also found more vagrants pasting through
the county. In considering any increase of crime they
were accustomed to think MUMS might be found either
in a sudden in.:ream in the coat of the ordinary food of
the working classes, or in • marked diminution in the
demand for -labour. But the first of those canoes could
not have operated now, for they were all aware the mite
of bread was lower than it had been, he believed, for
many years- the contract for the LtUllitiC Asylum taken
recently for the best wheaten bread, was at the low figure
of /id. per 41b. loaf. There had happily been a very
abundant crop of potatoes, and in other articles of ordinal"'
connumption, such as coal and meat, the price had fallen
materially. Bernice' could not account for the change in
what had hitherto leen the satisfactory state of crime in
the county. The other consideration was the diminution
of labour. He did not know that there had been any
difficulty in obtaining employment recently in this
county, but they all knew there had been a considerable
disturbance in the labour market in the eastern counties.
They learnt from the newspapers that large employers of
labour had found they could conduct their business with
fewer hands. large numbers had net been employed during
a large portion of the summer, and there was reason to
believe that the cessation of employment had particularly
affected—as they would naturally expect—those who
were not the most effective or efficient amongst the
labouring classes. If so, that might account in some
degree for the increase in the number of vagrants travel-
ling about seek ins to obtain a su hsiste nre by alms or in other
ways than by honest labour. Ile put this as a considera-
tion which might account for the increase in crime which
they had unhappily experienced. But they hoped it was
only a pawing matter, and that another Ammons the decline
in crime to which they had now long been accustomed
would he again shown. The learned gentleman then
remarked upon the provisions of the new Act for the
rating of woods, plantations, and rights of shooting,
pointing out that it was altogether a new thing, of which
assessment committees had not any experience, and
recommending moderation in carrying out the provisions
of the Act. Ile briefly referred to the charge against the
McDermott., for alleged swindling at Weymouth, pointing
out that if thee found presumptive evidence of their
guilt it would be lest to find true bills, and send the cam
for trial.

_
LUNATICS.
Mr. FLOYZA read the report, which showed that the
total number of patients is 222 males and 272 females, of
whom 54 males and 78 females are out-county patients,
and 17 males and 11 females non-paupers. The hon.
gentleman added that she maintenance rate continued at
ls. 2d. per day, a penny or twopence more than when
prices were lower and they had their old servants, in
whose places they now had to have two or greater assist-
ance. The increase of 18 patients he attributed partly to
more admissions and partly to fewer deaths.
The report was adopted.
EINANCT.
. . . . . .

Mr. FARQUHARSON read the committeis report, which
showed a balance of .0314 7s. 5d., and recommended a
halfpenny rate.
The CHAHILHAN mentioned that a Government return
allowed the average charge on counties for county and
peace rates Was flvepence in the pound. In Dorset they
were a farthing over the average, but he believed it
attributable to their delaying the re-avesesment of the
county till they knew the intentions of the Government
an to rating sod the management of county finance.
They were a farthing below except for police, hut the
expenditure for them made the whole a halfpenny above
the average. It looked, he thought, av if the Finance
Committee took very good care of the funds of the county.
Report adopted.
OUNTY POLICE.

Mr. Pitskrrok read he police report, which recom-
mended • halfpenny rate, • pendou of los. • week to P.C.
J. 8. Targetkafter 17 yeari service.and a gratuity of De to
P.C. Hiscock. after Ii years' bemire. both being now
medically unfit for duty. The chief paragraph was as
. , . . .

A letter having been received from lb. Chief Constable
reporting to the committee the drams' aspersions cast upon the
character of the Depot:. •Chief Coast tble at the last Midsummer
quarter INC4OIUSY by the Not J. It. A ue.c accusing that °Meer
S obtaining a earraot If oomoiltruent privately fro3u another
magietrate In the carat a M 0.., convicted by the Wiruboroe
Bench of Jocives, whereas they find the wm rant 4.a4 gruttexl
sad signed in ope court on the day the eolith:lion took place ;
skim amnia ng him that thin RAY not the tong, ocv.v,iou of hin so
eameding bre ditly,and that be was suppor.co i tby the Chief
Constable: Your committee think it rkait to report to the
Court after having investigated lite tuattcr Out thy outsider
the charge.
Th made by Mr Austeo to be totally unfounded aud
most un tue character and ob ct alu 4.1 the Deputy-Chief
Cortina has been Invariably luiet highly spoken of by every
other magletrate of the division acting in petty riellions ; not
only at Wimborne. but et his former ISSii.4ll at hturminster.
Your commute° al., end that the Chid Constablo has never.
no allegol by Mr Amami, bun.' any hatructlons regardirtg
epees ; and consider that, from his llr.t appointment, he ha.
executed the Julie.. of hi* wave with ermine.. and hummity.
The police committee comm, therefore, retrain from expretolog
their opinion that the revere Id nuilitrate has mole a mom
unwarrantable albrel upoo the Oeinaty- Met Conetable • and
they hope after tile alaive explanatioo Out Mr Austen will
retract the charm:" a 4 rUhildy 1.4 he to ,to them."
The Rev. J. H. AUSTIIS SAW he objected to the expres-
sion that "the warrant was signed in open court." He

;;;;;ATtli-ng Ter;,—a;fiti;;;;:,ii;;;;g:4 Glyn
though he signed it, said he didn't know what it was
With regent to Mr. Hammon' he bad nothing to say.
A gipsy Woman was married in bil rhumb. and on coming
out was arrested under that warrant and taken to prison.
LlTTaniisixa affirmed the warrant was signed in
open court at the same time ai the woman was fined in
her absence-- the 11,131 order being psyment of a fine, and
in default sanumitinent. It was si,oel by two magistrates,
Mr. Austen being present, and therefore a consenting
party. He would not say • word on the inconvenience to
Use county whirl) had been mimed by a certain course Mr.
Austen had taken. Mr. Austen 5.,411 that the Deputy
Chief Constable hail some time after the hearing of the
case taken the warrant to a magistrate for his signature,
but he bad been long enough a magistrate to know that a
warrant for commitment required two signatures.
Besides, it was impossible to believe the Wimborne Bench
were so lax, or their Clerk so ignorant, as to act in such an
Improper manner; and the facts were just the contrary
to what Mr. Austen had stated.
Mr. AusTlol : I repeat that I didn't know what the
warrant was for, nor did Mr. Glyn.
Mr. LrrYLERALEA : Being on the Bench you were •
nonsetitiaßparlY.
Colonel P&G= said he was on the Bench, and knew
what the warrant was for, and signed it: so did Mr.
Glyn.
The RM.. C. J. MAN said at the last Sessions he did not
tecollect that he had signed the warrant. It was perfectly
true whet Mr. Littlehales had said -Colonel Paget and
himself signed the usual order placed before them by the
Deputy Chief Constable. He thought than the words
of the report nothing could be bettor aa to his character.
Ile (Mr. Hammond) always showed the greatest possible
firmness and humanity, and he did not think there was •
better officer in England —(applause).
Viscount Poirtgav said nothing could be so inconvenient
as discussing a matter of this kind before the elourt. The
police committee had felt it their duty—and he thought
rightly - to defend their oflicer from the charge made by
Kr. Austen, and, further, to ask him to withdraw that
charge. lie conceived it liad been satisfactorily shown to
Mr. Austen—as it must have been to every other magis-
trate present- that he bad made • mistake in saying the
warrant was not signed in the regular way. Having
made that mistake, they felt that as soon as he was
informed of it, he would have no difficulty in admitting it.
No one could live half as long as he (his lordship) had clone
without making many mistakes, but he hoped all of them
when the error was shown were ready to admit it and
express their sorrow it should have occurred. If Mr.
Austen did not think it right to act in that way, all he
(his lordship) could my was- that this court could take no
further cognisance of the matter.
Mr. AUSTIN: Since I have heard the rights of the
subject I believe there haa been a great deal of misappre-
hension in various quarters.
Lord SHAWIMISP:RT : I he if • mistake has been
made this court will not make one; and I propose that
the report of the police committee be adopted and that
we maintain the conduct of our Deputy Chief Constable—
The subject then dropped.
1111116.
The CLIME of the Pears reed the Chief CoostabWit
report, which showed • decrease of 17 in the number of
persons taken into custody as compared with the sense
quarter of last year, and a demeans of 7655 against LEW.
During the quarter there had been el fresh outbreaks of
foot and mouth disease. 1,751 animals affected, of which
16 had died
A letter was read from Mr. Secretary Crone, drawing
attention to the damage done to the telegraph wires sad
Insulators by stone throwing, and asking that the police
should be vigilant to repress the evil.
Viscount Po suggested the most desirable thing
would be to whip the boys doing this damage.

1111 ADULTERATION OF POOD
Lord PORTMAN said it wax his duty to call attention to
the report of the committee on the Adulteration of Food
Act It bad hitherto been thought desirable from time to
time to postpone taking any action under that statute in
this county—(hear hear)—and be was going to ask them
again to defer till the next Easter Sessions taking any
action on the subject —(hear hear.) He drl so with very
feat satisfaction, because in the report of a committee of
the Howse( Commons which hail considered the operation
of the Act he found a confirmation of everything the com-
mittee of this Court venter.' to mggest an reasons for not
Adopting it.—(applause). He should like to read to them
two or three paragraphs which would show that the Court
had acted very wisely and had saved the county the
expense which would have been involved in trying to
work the measure, and the retailers of the county the
immense annoyance of being brought np under no iniperfect
• law. The committee began by savirr..:—
"The Act . . . has Inflicted ..,..I.lcrahle injury and
mewed heavy and undeserved remelt ti:..n toMe respectable
tradesmen. lids appears to have been own,: mainly to the
want of a clear understanding as In what and What dors
sot constitute slultostion : lent in Posit...as.. to it...skiing
decisions and inexperience of the torah "
These were all points the committee of this Court
suggested u reasons for not carrying out the Act, and the
House of Cemmons committee confirmed them.
"Tour committee are of opinion that the Act is defective,
and needs amendment."
He took the liberty of suggesting to the Court reasons for
believing there wan a great difficulty in analysing milk,
and the Parliamentary committee mid on the subject—
Too high and rigid a otarolanl has been deed by =EIS
analysts, and DO mfficient allows nes have been made for the
natural variations In milk. Ten or cent of milk soilde ma,
be mom difficult to obtain under certain unfavourable cond.
Lions than twelve or fourteen water a more gimenets diet, •
wanner atenspbore. and mum comfortahlo lodging. Not only
does the quality of milk vary with the food, the breed of cattle,
the Ulna of year, and treatment of the animals ; but the milk
of one cow of the same oresd w'll dilfer greatly from that of
another, managed ender 1 iscly similar slit-mu; and
further the first and last oafl milk which a cow givcs at the
earn. milking hill peewit all the difference bet•con an
o,u,reeely Ivan. ant .11 Csor,Jilkgly rich milk. Allowanem
ebottid be made for tb ft, natural variations which Some DEMI).
Relontlec chemists *tutu to Navr ooc menially " •
Similar reasons to those he tried to develop to tin, court
who, t,,,,Omo,onding that they should postpone action in
the matter, only the House of Cumulous committee put
them in letter language.
one coalmine* came to the conclusion that the rile of
res or compoundi is allowable, and Indeed needful to
mixtu
..oet sho publk requirements, provided the fact. of their being
..isloggg is pithily Indicated to the perebaser by • legible
Wei at rake coaspicuowely attached to the °Weide of each
in widish or vessel from +bleb each mixture is sold.
r=ldeenuation if the Uwe of sale is espeacticahle,
praelleable. would be unite:Nary when a proper label is
sae.

The erituess said he WU quite certain that pri.oner was
the man; he recognised him directly by the description,
which was exactly alike, even to a cut on the left fors-
Anger. The only difference was that prisoner now had a
'Age beard, and was rather thinner. _ .

Prisoner'! am -,t7o7ticeiii;Art:lM-ever I Will—(laughter,
prisoner being rather thin).
Witness said he recognised prisoner easily, he photo-
graphed him himself.
Prisoner said as to a cut on the left forefinger, he had •
wart there, which was more recognisable than a rut. He
had not been in Hampshire these eight years. He begged
that the " photographic" might be sent for, as it would
settle the point in a minute.
Mr. Castle called attention to the deposition of Miss
Gertrude Jeffery, which showed that the robbery was
followed by violence.
The Chairman said he deserved severe punishment,
even if he had not been previously convicted, for he used
menitlerable violence.
. . . _

Eight calendar montha
hard labour, and • T•aill =Per'
vision of the police.
Prisoner said the witness had told a he, he was not in
Winchester gaol, for at that time he was in a gaol in
Wales—(laughter.)

MISAPPROPRIATING • WATCH AT WEYMOUTH.
Robert Toyey, 54 jeweller, was indicted for fradulently
converting to his own tole a watch belonging to Chariot
Webber, of which he was bailee; also with obtaining from
Mary Innes, As. by false pretences—Mr. bock prosecuted
Prisoner, a working watchmaker, was entrusted by Mr.
Webber with a watch in August to repair; but prisoner
went away..

Supt. Vickery apprehended him in London last Friday
week. In cross-examination he said prisoner had a very
good character.
Prisoner said he went to the Artillery Barracks, went
to the quay to see the boats, had two three-pennyworths
of rum-and-water, got into conversation with an excur-
sionist, and fell asleep for about an hour. When be woke
up the watch was gone. He had never had • single stain
on his character in his life: the Superintendent had had
his accounts for live years back from his employers, and
he had never been before a judge and jury in his life, and
never before • magistrate but twice, once at Weymouth,
and before that about 12 years ago, for an assault, from
which he was discharged the following morning.
The Chairman, in summing up the evidence, called
attention to the fact that when prisoner found the watch
was gone, hc went a to London, and left Mr. Webber
without his watch.
The jury found him guilty.
Sentence deferred.

Subsquently, Robe rt Testy was brought up for sentence
The Chairman said there was another charge against
him ; but the prosecution did not with to prose that
The sentence was that he be sentenced to (ow months'
hard labour.

STEALING WEARING APPAREL, IC., AT KINGTON MAGNA.
Eliza Burge" 22, servant, and Thomas Panama alias
Rerriilge, 18, labourer, were indicted for stealing two
cheeses, and various wearing apparel, from George New-
man and Georgina Newman, his daughter, at Kington
Magna, on September 17.—Mr. Castle prosecuted.
Burgess was a servant at Mr. Newman's, and Parsons,
who had been a soldier, was men to go into the kitchen
there. Remonstrance was made, prisoner Burgess went
away, and was found living with Parsons at Dorchester.
Parsons said he was going to Dorchester to look after
work, and the young woman followed him. He told her
she must look after herself; be didn't know but what
the things she had were her own.
The Chairman summed up with great care, and
The jury found both prisoners guilty.
Parsons admitted • previous convi.tion of felony at
. .

her head on the ground two or three tiines. Two boys
mine along, when he got up, and 'he ran away towards
her aunt's at Symondsbury. She was crying, and very
much frightened. Told her aunt of it, and then a
policeman
Prisoner did not wiiib to tsk any questions ; he said" I
don't Low the girl.'
Prosocutrix sad ohs was quite sure prisoner was the
man. .

F. ward Arkerinan, a lad. spoke to bearing a girl
and ,eeiog prisoner lying upon prosecutrix. lie
wa, quite ,ure -i,oner wag the min.
Ainoi Fidwilitch. thh dealer of Whitehurch Canoni-
corum, said on it Angthk i,ri.n'r rode with him into
Bridport In the eveni they returiieJ to,zethcr WI far es
Foundry. Prdioner in ula a lewd rem irk to
witne..4, ant then seeing prosecutrivo going acre,. the field,
be whistled to her, and holloied, and then followed her.
lie did not see hitu overtake her.
Cresw-examined by prhouer he said they had drunk
lime or four clan-on of lieer together durint the day.
Prisoner alleged that the witne—t was jealous of him.
Mary Eveleigh, aunt of prosecutrix, spoke td her niece
complaining to her.
P.C. Hazzard said on lgth August he char:zed pri4oner
at Weetandaper•Mare, with the offenre. when he denied
It. Noticed the mark of a bite on the little finger of his
left hand.
. . _ . . .

three

-" I lout know the girl;

--;th-O-p-ri-soner's statement wai-
-1 never saw her before."
Prisoner said he had been is th Ackerman awl his woman
drinking at Bridport all day, and hi found them drinking
gin together and was jealous. She wanted him to ride
back with thew, and he did part of the war. but stopped
for • purpose. Nest daV he hint the police had been
after him, and started off to We.tuit•super•Mare, where
his wife was chargeable to the parish, and he gave
himself up.
The Chairman remarked that the girl gave • circum-
stantial account of the offence committed upon her, land
very straightforwardly and well. The question was whether
prisoner was the mail.
The jury found him guilty with intent, and he admitted
a previous conviction at Faster.
The Chairman said the jury had very properly found
him guilty of intent to commit a rape. It was • monstrous
thing that in a country like this • rascal like him should
go about assaulting girls in this way.
Prisoner: I beg your pardon.
The Chairman : The jury had found him guilty, and he
had been convicted before of a similar offence. The court
only regretted they had not power to have him well
flogged. But they would mark their ponied his shameful
Conduct by passing the utmost penalty of the law—two
years' hard labour.

coming, nod they were all get= to live together, and
would spend a good deal of money. Colonel Holt after-
wards apiwared .in the scene, and took • house in Sae-
vue. Thcv had ..,me little motley; hut they need it to
obtain a good deal of credit. From March to August they
stayed at Weymouth, a tune requiring • gnat deal
of
money. No doubt his friend would try and make a
scapcgott of Colonel Holt, saying that the credit wap
given to him. Bat the jury would remember that the
Colonel was iutrodired on the heene by Mrs. McDermott,
and the young holies stated that they would be able to
per beeauee they were all going to lire together. In tire
weeks they ran up a bill at the greengromr • to the extra-
ordinary amount of
Mr. Collins said it was not live weeks but three or four
month..
Mr. Cmdle maid he might have made a mistake; refer-
ring to the book it was found to be from March 26 to
August 27. four months and-adialf.
I Mr. Collins asked if all the statements were to be like

thst
Castle said he had acknowledged his mistake.
Mr. Castle did not wish to mislead the jury ; they woulde
your statements, and then you
eetak3ll,,,ereite!f;roceolnlgiienmsth:melmcG.
re that they had estates
in Ireland, that they were very comfortable in Weymouth,
oreerrecntherseU. He continued that th
, with Mr. Saunders, butcher, for .E2l, they obtained a
great deal of credit for meats at Mr. Poole's, Catherine
arcold'rew"-kuht:tlitounl.ageynehraerellyinwanatyleyweaers. They ran up a bill
obtained suits of mourning of Mr. Williams, draper, to
the amount of C.,7 155., and they obtained credit of a
cowittahfechtiiniseirfeto about
eel:geeelredEtoinallbeythCeole.lelieolet
fdissepeprepeatierendl
that they should meet in a town, obtain credit, and then
disperse in different directions Col. Holt disappeared,
and kit as his only address the General Post Office,
London. The ladies said be was a person of intemperate
, habits, and had thrown the whole burden upon them.
But if it were so that be was • person of intemperate
habits, they knew it, and it was a part of the fraud
that they introduced a person of such habits to Wey-
mouth and obtained goods by his help. The female
' prisoners themselves constantly spoke of themsekes
as having estates in Ireland, and to some they said
they had a place called McDermott. Col. Holt having
disappeared, Mrs. Case gave them £lO to leave the house;
these were ladies professing to have estates In Ireland
Then, also, they took upon themselves to deal with the
house taken by Col Ito t, and how could they do that,
, unless they were acting in concert with Col. Holt It was
found afterwards that their boxes were taken to the
I station, and they were going away by the half-past five
train. Warranta were issued, and they were arrested,
and in their boxes were the property of Kra and the
Misses McDermott ; but they had hardly any pro-
perty except that which they had obtained
; from Mr. Williams and in which they now stood
before the jury. Though they had 13 parcels, boxes,
itc., they had scarcely more than what they had just
obtained from Mr. Williams. They had only .01 11a, in
i money although they had drawn .4:11.1 of Mrs. Cass the
night before, and ale was lorry to say it) they had not
even the garments which were considered necessary for
ladies. They had also pawned, a watch, rings, dc, at
I various times, and there must have been • struggle to
obtain even the smallest amount of reedy money. After
' they were arrested a cheque came into the bands
of the police, to the amount of about £55, which
was handed over to the defence. But one of them
stated that that £65 was to keep them for six months
and this did not justify them in standing idly by, instead
of doing what other women would to maintain them.
'elves. Either the prisoners were persons of means, or
they were not, and if they were not and still conspired to
defraud, they were guilty; if they were persons of means,
they were still more guilty. Conspiracy is an offence at
common law, where more than one person agree together
to do wrong, and it was not necessary there should be any
overt acts, the offence was in the conspiring together. If
they were satiated there was a common plan to obtain
goods by spreading a belief that they were persona of
means, the offence was complete, and if it was a common
plan to obtain credit, then even, though they paid, the
offence was complete
Mary Ann Beauchamp was the first witness. She said
she Was the wife of John Beauchamp, baker of St. Helier's,
Jersey, and had known the prisoners for some years. They
dealt at her husband's shop up to the end of len (she
believed). Their account was—
Mr. Collins: How can this be evidence ol a compiracy.
The Clmirman said if it only showed their resources in
1872, he thought it too remote.
Mr. Collins said the prosecution had to show first the
existence of a conspiracy.
Mr. Castle said he tendered this witness to show that
when prisoners came to Wevmouth they left debts in
Jersey which they could not pay. lie quoted the dictum
of Lord Ellenhomugh in support.
Mr. Warner: Was there, in December, 1873, a debt
owing by prisoners?
Mr. Collins : That is the old debt I object to.
Witness: They dealt with them for years, and always
promised to pay. The debt was owing by the fatuity—
Miss Catherine used to come to the shop generally. The
account was made out to Mrs. and the Misses McDermott.
Had note+ of hand from them.
Mr. Collins: Then we must go into the rate of interest,
and all the story.
Mr. Varner: How much does the bill amount to I
Mr. Collins: 1 object. The mere running into debt is
no crime.

•-• -...orer to MI

i They found out

Witums: The debt was ZS( She applied for the money,
and was not paid. After the notes .if hand there was
another account of L.. 1 incutred In 1873, bliss Catherine
saYing they would pay the whole together—an uncle wee
dead, and the money she had proniked no long would be
forthc. , tv. But the amount had not been paid. had
previously received the notes of hand (produced), which
were "accepted" by the mother and Catherine. The
amount named in the note. comprised the whole of the
debt to that date, without interest. It was for bread and
groceries.
[Catherine beckoned to Mr. Weisford, and briefly
convent,' with I . Ellen, the younger, also had a word
with him. Mary whi.pered with l'Atherine, and the
Pruned gentleman was again called to them.]
. .

.-WitneAs continue.l that she sent the liherilf to arrest
Mrs. McDermott suol Catherine, but Catherine eacaped.
The mother remained in widen a long titne--did not lurow
how long.
Mr. Collins: 1 it you ever ziee her in prison I
Witness : Oh no. ley husband IiJIW hr before the court.
In conclusion witness said the had never been paid these
de to.

r.Kt.ctautined: The debt, comnienced before 1873.
Took the th,te. at the end of Ih7i. The ouly debt unpaid
of 157.1w.u. ~,, al credit which she gave on the
proonwol i!ityni.etat of Use notc,

John he Ito•signal, ;rovernor of Jersey prison, said he
knew all the prisoners perfectly well, and produced an
extrret (rote his official books showing that the mother
and daughter—
.. . .

Mc Collin, objected, saying even the book itaelf could
notbeesidenre.

--iVit-n-e.5..4-sa—Ll-be made the ropy himself.
Mr. Castle: lam, unfortunately, not up in Jersey law.
Mr. Collins: We are not trying these people by lersey
law.
_

The Chairman said the copy WU not evidence, unless
the hook itself could not he brought.
Witnevs said he had had the mother in custody on three
Of ‘ll4iollB. and Catherine once.

Mr. (Aside mid the document he produced was "a copy
of a public record." and was not secondary evidence,
quoting authority._

In answer to Mr. Castle, witness said it was an
examined copy. The book itself could not be brought. as
It was required constantly at the prison. The original
entries were made by the Sheriff.
Mr. Collins mid prisoners knew nothing of these entries,
and they could not be evidence against them.
The Chairman said he thought they could only take it
that the two prisoners were in custody at Jersey.
Mr. Castle asked were there more detainers than three
against them
Mr. Collins objected that this could not be taken ; they
were public documents.

the weak side of you"?
John Saunders, butcher, said he supplied goods te
thlelre_oar.
rT)bere is no weak side to an Irish lady is
Holt, to the amount of £2l lie. IOSL, from May 8 to
August 9. They were ordered by Catherine generally. Put
them down to Col. Holt by order of the ladies. The
account has not been paid.
(lmuren-examined:
Poole, chemist, of Bond-street, Weymouth, said
two or three days before Easter, Col. and Mrs. Holt and
erol: rdAello e andet alptso thethe servant girl.
e a
different me
at
(he thought) the three younger prisoners,came to his shop.
tie trbheeyyoour,nigeerr,,,d
was
8 some nelB but be
thought not nirt it'd:siva° Elleneilne7
On 211thd lth April all four aughters came with Col. and Mrs.
Holt and a youth. They commenced talking about Wey-
mouth.lemonade.
sat
said they had taken I,Belle Vue for 2years,bnt were
so much pleased with the place they shonld not mind
remaining 15—(laughter.) They gave him their names as
Mrs. and the Misses McDermott, and Col. and Mrs. Holt,
In case they should send for any articles. They said they
were living together as one family. At that time they
select."' goods to the amount of £1 114.—a few items they
took and the rest were sent next lay. On that occasion
they paid for the lemonade they drank. When they paid
for the lemonade he did not know they were piing to
have anything else. They began talking about Ireland,
1411.1 said there WILMa plaee there called Dernaott -the
same name as their own, and their estates were there.
When be heard that he was anxious to sell them goods.
Mr. Castle Ah ! that caught you.
Witness: The goods included a large bottle of "Jockey
Club" perfume, mei a pint of Eau de Cologne. The
statements about Ireland were said partly by them all.
He supplied goods altogether to the amount of £l2 tis. ed.
Had not been paid. Gave them credit, believing them to
have property in Ireland WI they said, and that they were
people of means. Some thee in August he went to the
Belle Vue. Catherine opened the window over the dour.
He told his name, and that he had come to know about his
account. He asked her to come down and open the door. At
first she sail it war late and refused, butafterwanls came
down. She said Colonel Holt had gone away aix weeks
for the benefit ce his health. He said it was a mistake,
Colonel Holt bail been with him the previous Satunlay,
and said nothng i about it, which he felt sure lie would
have done had he been going away for the benefit of his
health. He asked where the Colonel was
.gone. She
said, " You must write to the 'General Post office,
London"—that's all we know of hint—daughter). She
maid be would be back at at the end of six weeks. Ile
told her he thought they never meant to pay, but intended
to swindle him: and asked for the name of some one who
would be security for them. She said "you must go to
our solicitor." Asked his name, and she said "You must
find out." They got to rather high words. He asked if
thy were going to remain in Weymouth, and she said
" es, we shall stop the winter. She repeated "Col.
Holt is sure to come beck." Passing the window the
landlady called to him and said she had heard their con-
versation
Mr. Collins: Yes, landladies hear everything.
Witness: While speaking to Mrs. Case he saw Miss
..latherine, he thought, looking front an upstairs window.
The Court stopped anything further.
Witness said he went back with Alfred Vye, a boatman,
and knocked at the door. Catherine opened the same
window, when he sail "I've come with this boatman
you haven't paid." She said "I've nothing to do with
that." Told her it would end in her going before the magis-
trates. On the following Wednesday night at the railway
station he saw several lockage' labelled 'Mrs. McDermott,
passenger, Plymouth." He made inquiries, and then
obtained a warrant for the apprehension of all the
prisoners. At quarter-past five next morning he pointed
them out to the police as they came on to the platform
They were taken to the police-station, and he heard the
elder prisoner—Mrs. McDermott--say that she had a
rent-roll in Ireland, and as soon as the rents became due
she would pay. She was pressed as to where her estates
s
were. She began to tremble and that kind of thing, when
she said, "We have no property." She was then alone.
Catherine WWI the next. She said she was a native of
Paris ; she did not MY anything about Property in Ireland
her, did nol.nten
press
Heard all give their ages and where they were berm
Asked how to spell the names of the places they pee,
Witness:
they sail
Vickery
yw
asked tia
er, but statements
he l
Saw the ta'nt3
down.
Mr. Collins: Who pressed Mrs. McDermott
her.

Caiiterine,

-Wane. said the detainers were kept by the Sheriff.
The Chairman thought the question better not be
pressed.

r.iiTtti-ess was asked if Mrs. McDermott was in his custody
I in October, 1871
I Witness: I can tell you if I may be allowed to use that
i (the copy) to refresh my memory.
Mr. Collins objected that it was not a public document :
2nd, if it was it was not evidence in a crituinal charge;
and 3rd, that the witness could not use a copy to refresh
his memory.
The Chairman held the objection good.
Witness stated that Mrs. McDermott was in his custody
! at the out of October, 1573. She was brought to him by
the Sheriff, and he said he was going to fetch the dough-
ter, but she was not to be found. Mrs. McDermott then
applied to the Royal Court to make cession and get the
I benefit of the Act. She remained in his custody till the
I 21st of December, when the Sheriff came to the office one
:iatunlay morning, said Mrs. 31c1)ertuott's case was going
I before the Royal Court, and took her away. But the Case
did not come on, and was postponed for • week. She
I did not come back. Next Saturday he saw her
before the Court, when she stated on oath that she
gave up the whole of her MOLDS to her creditors. On that
deposition she was liberated. They took lodgings in the
same street as the prison, and he saw them for ten or
I twelve days after. Never saw Catherine after the time
when the mother was arrested. Two of the daughters
used to visit their mother in gaol daily- Mary and
Elizabeth. He did not see the lame one-Ellen, the
younger.
Cross-examined : On an affidavit made before a
magistrate any one may be taken into custody, and kept
for four days, when they were brought before the Royal
Court and the case beard before judges and jurymen
Was not particularly occupied in his office as jailor in con-
sequence of that law.
Elizabeth Le Rare widow of John le Barr, lived at 8.
Victoria-street, St. Helier's, and held another house, 4,
St. Mark's villa, and let It to Catherine, in 1863. They
lived there till 1874. Miss Catherine started about the
Ist October, 1873, from home. She left altogether then:
but the rest of the family remained behind. All the
family lived at the villa, in the beginning. The rest of
the family left after Miss Catherine had gone-in October.
When the family ceased to live there they owed 41315,
balance of rent.
The Chairman : Is this evidence to the same point as
before
Mr. Warner: I tender it to show that up to the time they
left Jersey, they were in very impoverished circumstances.
It Is only accumulative evidence.
The Chairman: I don't see the use of it. We must not
overlay the case with too much evidence.
Mr. Castle: On behalf of the prosecution, I press this
evidence.
The Chairtuan : We have the fact that the mother gave
lip her goods for the benefit of her creditors. Of comas
they were in bail circumstances.
Mr. Collins: I don't dispute that they were in debt when
they left Jersey.
Witness's examinationeontinued : Prisoners paidsevaral
instalments, and at last only received very small ones,
.1:25, al, and al. The rent was ttlit a year at first, and
reduced to £l5. Miss Catherine borrowed money of nie,
anti the note of band, including services and interest of
money comes to ASoll She borrowed several hundreds of
me-(sensation). "Services" included what I did for
her.

--liirhhyy did you use the words! Answer me that t
She wa. asked where the estates were.
v did you use the word "pressed " Is it true she
was mewed I
She was asked to explain where the estates were : she
had a greet many questions put to her she could not
answer.
Was she pressed? It is material
To that extent she was. She was pressed to ten where
her estates were, and could not tell.
Have you ever said before that she was pressed at to
where her estates were, and she answered she bad an
estates!
I don't know that I have. I was examined sometime in
Alf:: long after this imaginary conversation
It was no imaginary vivermtion.
say "supposed conversation.
It was three or our days after. Did not remember it
before the magistrates, but lied done several times
since.
If it did take place, why didn't you say it before the
magistrates I
I didn't remember it.
Do you remember you didn't remember it (laugh-
ter.)
I didn't think of it, or I should have said it before the
magistrates.
In answer to more queetions, witness said he had told
it since the magisterial inquiry te Supt. Vickery. He , saw the statement as it was written by
Vickery, and
five minutes after. Didn't know it was written on the I
Mr.
paper that Mrs. McDermott xaid they had no estates in
Ireland. Ile remembered the statement she made all
through.
Upon being premed?
Well, if you call it so.
I don't call it anything do you say it is" pressing r I think I should call it so.
Witness: Mrs. McDermott never came to his shop, ' Did not remember much of the first conversation in his shop. Wes not sure Catherine was in his shop before I
Easter week.
Then why in your deposition did you swear four of the
prisoners came with Colonel and Mrs. Holt into your sho
two or three days before Laster?
That date was wrong; I found by my books it should
have been April 30.
Mr. Castle: It was corrected before the magistrates,
Mr. Collins: Yet, a fortnight after.
Ile corrected it himself he satue day. Never hear
catherine did not come over till the tint of that month.
The goods were all charged to Colonel Holt. A bill of
7s. lid. was charged to Ellen fur gargle, and was sent to
her ita her 6./YillZ she would pay. On payment it a as
crossed off. Hail not said anything aliont a boatman
named Vye before; did not think it important. Since the
magisterial iuquiry had thought it part of the case.—
Did not say before the magistrates that Catherine stated
herself to be a native of Paris : it waq written down, and
he thought it sufficient
Re-examined: Stated all he thought material before the
magistrates. Had never been a witness before this case
The statement was commenced to he written by Supt
Vickery and finished by Mr. Butt, Mrs. McDermott
came in first, and cautioned that 'shat she said would be
taken down in writing. She said she was very sorry. She
said she hail a rent roll in IreLmd. Asked where,she said near
Limerick. When asked if it WU in Limerick she said no
—about six miles from it. Asked the name of the vlsee.
she " hum!'" and han'd " • good bit, and then said 'l've
no property at all. The others were brought in singly and
asked their names, ages, :Led so on.
Henry Butt Was In the police station 011 August r,
when primers were brought in. They WCV, cautioned
duly, and he heard Mrs. McDermott state that her ag,, wie, Gui, anil that she belonged to Loughlin, in the county
of Limerick but, he could not say be heanl her state she
Mr. (ohms: What are you, sir a detective?
No, I am en attorney's clerk. I wrote It all excePt n hat
cas:.
11:1:
cent
111.
wonlir.liclicilwanerYnli:ejlirt•oYtoteu. rediimn
ut;ehbethup:t Ithaviceolsantahaatit
aol Lngiot:odel.:
lth the
into the police station. Mr. Vickery being
bn".enou h
me to write the statement, Mr. Vickeri
ng...d
I.
to do to look after the prop_ertr• Mr.; ackrbara a few
Poole were there. Mn. McNutt'''. waishe charge. ski
minutes Wore I came in. In answer t
ordered the
p_olissaid thavabusteatherinherewisweLt to Mraothenoe• Williams'
.ezd eed7roasp the was
ort,-,
wra Peen sad " Ws never had In

--Mr. Collins asked for the note of hand, and it was pro-
duce I.
Witness ,al.l she hal never received any payment since
the note of hand. After Catherine left the island, I
revels,' seine letter,.
A letter was jinsluced from a broad black.bonlered
envelope and rewl by the Clerk of the Peace. It stated
that she only left Jersey till her 'lsmailia's affairs were
settled, as Mrs. Le Barr had toll her that the creditors
would require security:, and if she did not give it, they
could keep her in for life. She told her sister LiZZia, and
she advisetlher to get out of the way; the promised to come
back when her mamma's affairs were settled, and stated
thatshe had to thank another creditor for her leaving the
island. She wasdetermined never to payany one who would
take such steps. In conclusion she thanked Mrs. Le Barr
for her kindness, for allowing her sister Lizzie to stay in
the house, which kindness she should never freget, and
promised to come hack and settle. Another letter was Put in from Great Yarmouth' but the tlairman objected
that one letter was quite sufficient
Mr. Castle pressed the reading, and the letter was read.
It stated that up to this day Gth Ik-comber. IICI) she had
n,4 gut one But it preinisal that she would
return : 'lie did nut fork.,t her debts, and would pay what
she owed.
%Vitas., continued : Miss Catherine slid not return ; but
the next day Miss Elizabeth promised she would settle
everything for Miss Catherine. Catherine had stated
that they expected thousand
Cromexainined : This was from a gentleman named
Siege, who married their aunt.
Mr. Cagle objected that witness did not know anything
of this.
CriPs-examination continued : She went to Mr. Flower,
• solicitor, who told her that the affair was in his hands.
Mr. Castle objected that Mr. Flower was witness's
solicitor, and she was asked about a communication made
in confidence.
Mr. Collins said it was his Privilege to ask it on mow
examination. His cross-examination would go to the fact
that they were expecting mosey from • person_who imse.
but the money was not left to them: and snandere th•

debt wee not paid. He wanted to etiow the circumstances Inlaid." She wee there alone at that time. The nape;
under which Usey got into debt, written by Mr. Butt wan put In, as evidence. One said
Cross-examination : Mr. Flower had been there some they had no property in Ireland, another, that their place
years; and Miss Catherine sent her to him to consult was Barrow glass.
about the affair. The bill wee renewed in January, 1573, Charlotte all, aaistant to Mr. Rhodes, confectioner,
but she had not received any money since then, except had seen four of the prisoner-, the young lodic, in Mr
part of the balance on the rent, f 3, which was in Sept., Rhodes's shop, and Col and Mn. Holt with them. They
1073. Never received any money after. In April, 16741, obtained goods at the shop and all ordered Cum' at
lad., she received the balance of £25, lent on .e^tirity. different times. The total a non it was £2l :Is. 1:1,1. It
Mks Lingle sent from Weymouth this money, to apply to was all kept in one account. with t 'ol. Holi's name at the
a security, which witness hut been for her. top. The goods were sent to Nu. 1, Belle Vue. Some
Iteaxamined : Wes obliged to borrow this 1:25 for wee eaten in the shop,by the young lodic, Ileinembered
thtm, because they bed had ell her money. She had even the sending iu of • third bill, and either Elizabeth or
mortgaged lie, houses, and had nothing at all left. Mrs. Holt came about it. The bill had never been paid.
Thht leing the whole of the Jersey evidence, the Cout Edward Harold Cog: I a....kt ny motherin carrying on
adjourned. a boot-rasher's shop at Weymouth. In April last Col.,
On the reassembling, the Weymouth witnesses were Mrs., and Muter Holt came t our shop and ordered boots
exatnined. to be sent for tome ladies to try on After that Mary
_ . . . . . . .

--.1:-- ca--- —— - "-- - Mrs. Green, poulterer and greengrocer, knew four of and Catherine me, an‘l4 believe the others I;ti : t not
the prisoners. The mother and three youngest daughters the old lady. They had goods and they were sent to No.
came to her shop (without (Catherine) the latter end of 1, Belle N ue, an, some were kept. We were owed
March, and ordered some goods amounting to about Is. 7d. 48 3s. 3d. There were a lot of repair- in this bill,
which they paid for, and she sent the things to 3, Gros- Cross-examined: This includes all the repaire and all
venor-place. Shortly alter they came and ordered more, that Col. Holt had: they were all charged to him; but
for which they did not pay, but said they had • brother- some were marked "for the housekeeper," as we beiiered
in-law coming from Jersey, and if she were moderate in that Catherine was the housekeeper. Mary also came,
her charges, they would be good customers. They said I now recognise her.
said they Mr. T. H. Williams, draper, St. Mary street, Weymouth,
they
came from Jersey, they were a large family, awl Did you say before the magistrate, "Catherineand some
times, They
es three, atid :in the end of June or the beginning of July,
were all going to live together when the Colonel rime to of the other Prisoners came whom I cannot swear to r
t will do (to Mr. Catherine MeDennott, came to my shop alone.
take a house. They said they would keep • book. Most Yea, hot I positively recognise Mary now.
11teourn)ger, and lost her brother very suddenly and they wanted mourning.
toabtehe bleak tobeetane, inanilmbyadshmope shbeeflioreari
She let She asked what it would come to, and I said it would
tbonf.:;ithil i
namto:wid,..oentliemirednir. gooodane...
sac.ltmdseiutlempre.eantttwthaimo,
She he hecasullevec
Elisabeth were together at the third interview.
them have goods im credit, becume they said they had • depend
on the quality selected. I thought she was a Miss
Mr. Collins:
good income. She supplied them a week or eight days Holt. She asked for an estimate to be sent to the agent
TheTlanlt will do
and "EllyenTaathuge
before Colonel Holt came. Up to that time the goods of their estates in Ireland • (was to do it asjreasonable as
were entered to "3, Grosvenor Place." not knowing
mm,
poLsible, it being • cash irmommioll. I knew Col. Holt
purchasers' names. Colonel Holt's wife came with hm, berr, and I think I had seen Miss Catherine McDermott
and said "1 believe there is an account opened here to with Mrs.. Holt The estimate, a rough one, carne to Lie
ladies living at 3, Grosvenor Place, in the name of or .£5O. She said she would have the goods, and then she
McDermott.' Witness replied "Yes," and Colonel Holt went to my assistants ; the mourning ....le
according
maid "What they are having Please put to my account. I to their instructions and delivered at 1, Belle Vue. When
sin Colonel Holt and have taken a house in Weymouth. 1, she ordered the goods, she said "I wish you would let m
Belle Vue,and will you give me three months' credit. "She have an estimate, that I may send it to the agent of u;
said she would. After about sor 6 weeks, I was compelled estates in Ireland.' That threw me off my guard. *he
to make up the book, and take it in, and my husband total amount was over g.. 57, and the account wee made out
took it in. The book was handed to him, and on the Bth to Mrs. Holt. After a few days, KW Getheettm mmo.ht
August I took my hook, made up to time, the account It back, and said only five parts of the mourniqg
amounting to Lit 12a I asked if he would pay the portion belonged to them, and the other girth to Mrs
balance of the hook; but he said " No, I have no money j Colonel Holt. This was the first time I knew who
I have a bill of yours to meet on the 10th at the bank- she was-that she was Miss McDermott, and not Mrs.
She came, and then • young gentleman came from the Holt. I was never paid. I asked for the money
bank, and, in 00[1,eqUenCe, she went next day to Colonel at the house. I saw Catherine at Belle Vue. She
Holt's house, taking a bill which had been given her at said she could not make out how it was her rents
the bank. She saw Miss Elizabeth. and told her the bill had not been paid, as they had been due since
had been returned dishonoured. She said she was very the Bth May last, and he was going to write by that
awry for witness, Colonel Holt had gone away for six post to the agent, and would pay in a post or two.
weeks for the benefit of his health, and she was very glad I told her it was a ready money transaction, and I could
he WAS gam, on account of his intemperate habits. The not understand it. I heard they were going to leave, and
last entry in the book was ordered by Miss Catherine. I went to Belle Vue. Catherine was not in; but she
Had not been paid the amount of her bill .£lB 111 a, which came in saying she had been looking all the morning for
WM for about three months. lodgings, and meant to stay all the winter. I beard of
Cross-examined: It was not five weeks. We all make their apprehension, and went to the police station, when
mistakes at times, the best of us-7(lauelitolt I saw their boxes open, and some of my goods them; but
beside.
Mr. Castle objected to Mr. Collins quoting from the not much Everything in the mourning way
amount book. belonged to me, and there was not much else. Was not
Mr. Collins: Are you serious in objecting to my using certain what they wyre now.
the book, because if you do, 11l argue the point. Laura Thirgood seal she was one of the shop standouts
Mr. Castle only objected tom, Gomm saying he put in at Mr. William's. She saw Catherine McDermott alisn
the book, she ordered the mourning. She said it was for herself,
Mr. Collins continued that the time was 18 weeks, not sisters, and mother. She had four bonnets from me, sad
12 weeks, one each for Mrs. Holt and her mother, at one guinea
Mrs. Green: Irish meow are allowed to speak a second each. She wished an estimate given, to send to the agent
ime-eaughter), of her estatu Ireland.
In answer to Mr. Collins, witness said she said she would Mary iieVarland, forewoman to Mr. Williams. Took
Jim three months' credit. but she didn't. Catherine s order. She a-keil for an estimate to send to
Mr. Collins: That was wicked of you-(laughter). the agent of their estates in Ireland. Gave the estimate.
Witness: Catherine was not present when they came ' Went to I, Belle-vuet on thno: occasions. The first time
first. The mother asked if I was a married woman, and she measured the tie Prisoners and Mrs. Holt. Next
they seemed to take a great interest in me, having • large morning she fitted the baly linings on-(laughter). One
family, and an invalid husband. lam of Irish descent, or two of the prisoners said thee had lost a brother on his
and they seemed to take more interest in me on that voyage home. They wantol suitable mourning-had been
account, and had a great deal of chit-chat. When they living in France, and did not know what eras worn here.
went about the dishonoured bill, Elisabeth said they. paid One said as anon as the niourniin.: was done their agent
Colonel Holt for their keep. Referring to the ongmal would send the money ter it: it was one of the fair ones,
deposition, it appeared that she had stated that Col. Holt Cross-examined : Could not say whether or not it was
told her in her shop that the ladies paid him for their Mrs. Holt said that,
keep. Witness said she believed both did. She trusted James Russell, ironmonger, said: I know Colonel Holt.
the Colonel and the ladies quite independently of each He came to my shop with Mrs. Holt and the four
other, believing them to be respectable people, as they daughters. They purchased some knives and scissors
said. (min an assistant, and the goods were charged to Col.
Re-examined ,I were Irish and got Holt _ tei several occasions he paid for some thingsidand
„ . __ . ..

then finding an account of about 30s. I directed the to
be sent in, alter which I did not see them, and the bill
was not paid.
Cress-examined: The bill was run up in August he
thought
Mr. Russell : The ladies came in to be weighed on one
or two ocresions—(laughter). They bought a bird-cage
and other things.
Mrs. Susan Case said she had a house, No. I, Belle
Vue. Col. Holt came and took it from 25th March ; he
said there would be some ladies—and rather • large family.
The rent was £lOO, and he beat her down £lO. It was
taken for two years. The rent was to be paid quarterly,
In advance. Of the first he paid t'S in money, and forth.
rest he gave a bill, which became due the tame day as his
pay, he said. The bill was met
Mas that the excuse he made for not paying ready
money!
Mr. Collins objected to the word "excuse." A bill was
given and pail, and this at least was an honest trans-
action.
Witness: He said it cost him .C5O to crime over from
Jersey, and he had only left. A few days later all the
prisoners cause to my The second quarter was
paid, after a deal of trouble—l bad t, go to him several
times. Persons canie to her saying they owed them a lot
of money, aml went to 1, Belle Vue. awl .w Elizabeth.
She told her Mr. Itlosles had Issen„ awl as ,he recom•
mended them, thinkimg them gentry, she told her it
would be very bard if they .11.1 out pay him, and mked
where Col. lb.lt was. She repine it Was a tuatt,r of Col.
Holt's— that she knew nothiog out it. Asked if Col.
Holt wa- gone away for good, she repled—no he would be
back in six weeks. Inquired what was Col. Bolt's
address, and she said "The General Post Once, London'
—(laughter). Witness said she .lid net like their manner,
or believe CoL Holt was gob g hack. Elisabeth
said she had 3 letter froni Into ; and witness again asked
for his address, but at length she gave prisoners £lO to go
out of the hou,e.
Cross-examined : I did not pay them myself, but gave
it to Mr. Jackson. Col. Holt tool paid the rent to Sept.
25th. She allowed them .C 2 Ms. to go out They did
not burry to leave then, but went with a good deal of
persuasion.
Samuel Jackson, I'm an auctioneer, and acted for Mrs.
Case. I mw Catherine McDermott, and asked her to give
up possession: bit they declined. .tt last they agreed to
go out for £lO. 'the money was pail through Mr. Warren,
Mr. Howard's clerk.
Cross-examined : Misses McDermott employed • solicitor
to negotiate the transaction.
Supt. Vickery On the i7th August last, I went to the
Weymouth railway aUtion and apprehended the five
prisoners on a warrant at lialf-past hie in the morning.
I saw thirteen packages of luggage which the prisoners
said Were theirs. They were sent to the 13.4M0-station,
mid the prisoners taken there. They came in one by one
to be changed, I cautioned them, and each made a state-
ment- They mune into my tare and up to my desk. The
statement was taken down in my presence, and it has
been put in now. Their boxes were opened, and the
money was entered on the list, it was about 1.11 or £lO.
When the boxes were opened two sets of black clothing
and mourning and one or two dresses else of different
colour ; but not of much value. There was very little
under-clothing. Thirteen pawn tickets were In the box,
two of Jersey, and the rest of Weymouth.
Cross-examined After they were in custody a letter
came containing a cheque for .tiA,7 13s. 2d. It bore an
I Irish post mark, and was delivered to use, as they were
In custody. It was addressed tin Miss Catherine McDer-
mott I believe. It was from Gllitllleol, Mahon, and Co.
I afterwards went to Dublin, to Messrs. Guinness and
Co.; they are bankers and land agents in Dublin. I
subpoenaed Mr. Guinness on the part of the prosecution,
and have seen him here ; I see him now.
IU-examined : A request was made for the cheque, and
it was given up for the purposes of the defence. The
prisoners told me they had very limited means; the
money was to last till next April, and they had £l3O •
, year, in six shares. Mrs. Holt had one share, and they
I had the other shares between them. They said that was
all they had to live on. tine of the young ladies said
"Let US pay the money, and no. throw It away in law.'
Mr. Collins: All very right, though very bad for the
lass-en.
Witness: But the others refused, and said the trades
people ~bould not have a penny, except Mrs. Green.
Richard Seymour Guinness : I am of the firm of
Goinures. Mahon. and Co., and have been agent to estates
call the Drum Keen estate for some years. The whole
estate is 1.1.2:ti a year but the share of the prisoners and
the rest or the McDermott family is £216 fis. Id. gross
maw. It is to be distributed between the four Misses
AlcDennott Mrs. Holt, and one of the sons. We receive
the rent on the part of the trustees of the estate, and did
not know what the legal status of the McDermott Was
Mrs. Holt has received nothing since her marriage.
Colonel Holt and Mrs. Holt wrote to me that the remit-
tsars was to be sent to the four young ladies. The lost
half year produced £77, £lO previously to this cheque.
One brother never got any. £77 odd has recently been
produced for the four young ladies, I had sent them /Pt
and the cheque mentioned. Another half-years's rent in
now in the tenants' hands, and will be paid in two or
three months. Ido not know that I have said the money
was to keep them till April The rent was due March
Ig/4. The hall-year's rent due in the hands of the tenants
would not be paid till six months after August, whale
three or four mouths. Did not know of any oter estates
prisoners had, nor of • place called McDermott. Don't
know • place called Barrow Glass. The £216 comes from
unencumbered estates in Limerick. The estate was left
try an uncle to his nephews and nieces. and Mist
MeDermotti have an eighth of the whole. The estate.
of which their uncle left them an eighth was valued over
ZINO. A part of the estate was in Rommuimon.
Cross-examined I am magistrate for the city of Dahlia
and Mr. Mahon is a magistrate for the county
ColnlnOn. There was under the will of Mr. Belle s
considerable amount of personalty. The will leaves all
his property, share and share alike among his nephews
and nieces. Mrs. McDermott is a niece, one of eight, and
the children are entitled to it on her death.
Mr. Collins: Does not the sum of £4OOll,
_share of the
personalty, stand to the account of Ellen McDermott.
Mr: Guinness : Yes, under certain trusts. I receive
the interest of DOA for another branch of the family.
lii, a share of the same testator's personalty.
Mr. Collins Mr Belle was connected—
Mr. Castle asked if they were to go Into Mr. Bahia
position ?

linj: Yet, these people are called " common
'windier& conspirators," to-day.
The Court held that Mr. Collins might go on.
Mr. Guinness continued: These people are w..dl
connect.' One of their connections hod been a :.hcriff
two years, and Mr. Irwin, Mrs. McDermott's brother, had
larwe property.
Mr. Castle said this was a witness hostile to the pro7e-
cution, and he submitted that Mr. Collins was sbesmg
his privilege. He asked that Mr. Collins might not ha
allowed to get out the contents of 4 written document.
The Chairman: We have had &good deal of seldom.: la
to their means, and I do not see how you can refuse to
receive the rest.
Witneas Mr. Irwin was an old man, unmarriad, 1,0
believed, and Mr. Irwin's share would descend, he
believed, to Mrs. McDermott awl ;he children.
Mr. Collin.: And the share of tbc personality t
Witness: I really don't like to say. I have the ail
here.
By Mr. Castle: I did not ref nse to see Mr. Vickery, or
to „he him any information. I refused to show him these
deeds because they were given me for a certain purpose
by Mr. Irwin.
Mr. Castle: Mr. Irwin i, I ,:uppose, the uncle that
is always dying l—(laughter) Is there any other uncle!
Witness! I don't know. If Mr. Irwin died, maney
might come to the Misses McDermott. I did not come
user to attend before the magistrates. None of the family
some, nor did they instruct me to bail the prisoners; I did
not see any. All the property I know of, belonging to the
...s.msers produced last half-year the sum of g 77.
r—Egwara Richard Gibbs, pawnbroker, of Weymouth, said
April Mrs. McDermott pawned a gold watch and
other thbip for £5 Ids The goods were afterwards
redeemed Things were. pawned ten times by the mother
or Catherine in June or July. One ring, Si.; gold necklet,
brooch, de., 12s. ; gem ring, 5a - gold necklet :
In July 2 pair ear-rings and brooch, Is.; gold chain, £1;
silver bracelets and brooch, 10s. s• wedding ring, fts.
three brooches, 2 bracelets, Could not isky which
of them pawned the wedding ring.
Cress-examined : A good many people
_pawned 1$
different tunes. Was the unt.s.awnbroker In Weymouth.
Was not very much visited : PY to say the people them
were not so poor as to require ten the assistance of the
uncle !—cill:tteri
This the cam for the prosecution.
Mr. Coiling submitted that there wee no irridericsdi
any conspiracy.
The Chairman : The question of conspiniey le a v 0
wide one