The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-11-01 00:00:00

THE CALCUTTA AND CHINA MAIL.

The mail steam-ships Pera and Massilia
hrrived.at Alexandria on the 16th and 18th ult.
respectively; and await the Candia at Suez, with
the China mails, which had not arrived on the
22nd ult,
AttiANbittA (via Trieste), Oct: 26th.
The Candiais..pieller loose on the -Shift.
is'the aiting e track of the Ateirii6 froth
800 froth Sued. 'the .passengers"
inailg, ex Candia, have reached Suez by the
Optian steamer Persian:
The Massilia leaves for Marseilles at noon, and
o r-ern for Southampton at-four p.m. thin day:
The Ellora and Vectis, with the outward
Bombay mails arrived here On the 25th inst.
The Columbia • arrived at Sued on the 21st tilt:,
'With the outward". mails.

ST. GEORGE'S-IN-THE-EAST.
The appeal of Mr. Roseir against the decision
of Mr. Elliott, one of the metropolitan police
magistrates, who had convicted him under a
recent Act' of Parliament for disturbing the
services in the church of St. George's-in-the-
ast, was heard yesterday, before the assistant
Judge and the Middlesex bench, when the con-
viction was quashed on the ground of infor-
tiality.

DEATH OF THE EARL OF DUNDONALD.
The Earl of Dundonald expired early yester-
day morning, at his residence at Kensington.
41e was in his 85th year.

THE BER,WICK ELECTION COMMISSION.
The Berwick Election Commissioners resumed
their enquiries yesterday.

The following appeared in our later editions of
Yesterday :
FRENCH' INTERVENTION IN NAPLES.

The Daily News publishes the following :
The Emperor of the French has placed four ships
Of the line before Gaeta. The French admiral
has orders to prevent an attack on that-fortress
Y Admiral Persano, and if necessary for that
Purpose to sink his ships. Under these circum-
stances Admiral Persano will take no part in the
approaching siege of Gaeta.
The Daily News publishes the above intelli-
Renee in a most conspicuous form, 'and comments
l'Pon it in a leader. It points out that the effect
01 the Emperor's resolution is a positive increase
;1. the means of defending Gaeta. As. the brave
Pedmontese admiral is not prepared to involve
Italy in war with France he.will not attack Gaeta.
he whole force which would have been required
to man the sea front of the fortress is now
'released and made available to oppose the
national army.
The intervention thus effected is as clear and
Positive as if Napoleon had landed 20,000 Zouaves
to assist Francis, and yet it is not a week since
the world was authoritatively assured that the
'l/Iperor was,sternly resolved on non-interven-
tion. Europe cannot and must not be allowed to
remain
a victim to all this mystery, and to these
repeated surprises.

Sanguine hopes are entertained of Sir Chas. Napier's
recovery.
The Chinese telegram, expected since Friday last, still
remains overdue.
The French Minister of Marine has been occupied
pith the creation of companies of naval artillerymen, to
be employed in defending the coast.
The Americans, seeing how warlike everything looks
In Europe, are setting their house in order and survey-
ing their navy.
Great discontent has been caused among the working
Masses in Paris by the increase in price of tobacco, pur-
suant to the late imperial decree.
f The accounts from Paris report an increased demand
ir money. The Daily News says, the drain.upon the
auk of France is probably affecting the market
generally.
i„ The Daily News says that the great activity prevail-
amongst the Greeks and other merchants, in the
foreign corn trade, contributes materially to keep up the
c
lumercial demand for money.

Aj:9TE FOR THE
jj-111) UTTER4AN

THE TOWN COUNCIL.

The Town Council met yesterday for the last time
Previous to the municipal elections, which will take
place this day.

THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

The proceedings of this committee comprised the
following recommendations :—To increase the salaries of
Mr. Thomas Poole and Mr. Charles Rubinson, collectors
of Town and Dock Fines, from £llO to £l3O per annum
each, the consideration of which was postponed at the
last monthly Council, pursuant, to the standing orders.
—Report on the subject of the 'reVerSionary interest of
the Corporation in lands at Birkenhead, the considera-
tion of which was postponed at the last monthly Council.'
-Report as to the mode .of dealing with the annual
:income of the Corporate Estate, the consideration of
which was postponed at the last monthly Council.
Recommendations to comply with application of Messrs.
Williams and Roberts, for permission to make two
streets through leasehold land on the north side of
Islington, subject to certain terms and conditions, in
addition to the ordinary covenants usually inserted in
Corporation leases.,
Mr. Alderman STEWART moved the confirmation of
the recommendation to increase the salaries of Mr.
Thomas Poole, and Mr. dhaideS Robinson; collectors of
the Town and Dock Fines. He said, that in carrying
out that recommendation, the Finance Committee were
only carrying out the wishes of the Council, as at a
previous meeting those officers had applied for an
increase of salary, which had been sanctioned. The
committee had taken great pains with this recommenda-
tion, and had had a report from which it appeared
that the duties of their office were very well performed.
During the last year there had been no less than 5,345
dock fines imposed, and the fines amounted to £2,380,
The town fines had numbered 6,495, and the fi”
amounted to. £2,519, so that alto—'
town fines ame—' ...6.wer, the Gook and
to £11,840, and the amount col-
by these two officers was nearly 01 per Cent.
I That, he thought WaS yeti gudd. Ito therefore moved
the COnlirniatioii of the rdomtnendatinri.
Mr. Aldernia,n S., ItOhne, set ortded the riidthin;. Which
was ifnanitnotisly addrited:
After sonic botlYerSatiOn, the feCeinialendlatiOns yela-
tiVe to the subject ,Of
,the, reversionary interest of the
Corporation in Janda at
•Birkenhead,, and the mode of
dea4ng,. witlt , the annual finance s:of the. Corporate
estate were postponed, with the understanding ,that the
future Council shmild be requested to hold a special
meeting on the 14th of'Noveniber, When these questions,
as well as the Report of the Special Committee to con-
sider plans for New Public Offices, Dale-street, the
consideration whereof was, postponed at the monthly
Council held on the 3rd of October instant, until after
the consideration of the report of the Finance Committee,
Its to the mode of dealing with the annual income of
the Corporation, and report of the Improvement Com-
mittee, recommending certain improvements at a cost of
£300,000, the consideration whereof was postponed at
the last monthly Council, until after the consideration
of the above,nientioned report of the Finance Commit-
tee )will he.disatissed: , „
Mr. STEWART then moved the confirmation of the
fourth recommendation, for permission to make two
streets through leasehold land on the north side of Isling-
ton

Mr. J. JOHNSON expressed his regret at having to
move an amendment to that question, and he did so,
because he thought that the owners of the property had
not had sufficient information on the subject. He moved
that the recommendation be deferred until more infor-
niation Was giVen bit the stibjed:
r. Shiiiniin seconded the irriendrant:
Mr. Aldernian S. Flcki;ME siiptiOitea the confirmation
of the ptoceedings, after which the aniendnient Was
withdrawn, and the recommendation was confirmed.

. . .
Mr. STEwAmr then moved the confirmation of the
general proceedings of the Finance Committee. These
consisted generally of the ordinary business, 'excepting
so much as referred to the disposition of the large pro-
perty now vacant, called the Sessions House: It would
be found that that subject bad engaged the attention of
the Committee, and that negotiations had taken place
for advantageogsly disposing of it. At present, in the.
very uncertain state in which the- subject stood, he
thought the 'adoption of this resoltition was the best
coil* tbe lioµncil ,Oild take, preparatory; to, disposing
of the property: He Ceriatida has ieniarks nioiing
the confirmation of the proceedings.
Mr. Alderman HOLUB seconded the .motion.
Mr. BELOE asked whether the purport of the resolu-
tion was that the Sessions House thould •be offered for
auction.

Mr. STEWART replied that such would ultimately be
the case.

Mr. BELOE thought that if that was the case, that it
showed a great want of courtesy towards a body of
Liverpool merchants,
Mr. Sfitltxtr said the Finance Committee had not
been guilty of any want Of courtesy tOWards the gentle-
men ' who were in treaty for the said of the Sessions
House ; on the contrary, every facility had been afforded,
and several- communications, including the 'O6P, just
read, had passed. But the matter was now left over for
an undefined term, perhaps for two or three years. In
the performance of their duty to the Council the
Finance Committee had felt themselves called upon to
take their present position.
Mr. J. A. Tornx felt that the Corporation had shown
every courtesy to those gentlemen who were ,treating
for the purchase of the Sessions House. When those
gentlemen were proceeding before Parliament, difficulties
night have been thrown in their way, but the Council
had ntanifest6d 'ed such desire; and h¢ did not think the
gentlenieti thertiseites thought there had Teen wily Want
of courtesy..
The proceedings were then confirmed.

pr 'ATCH COMMITTEE.

The PrOceedingS, resolutions, and repo„%; ;;;.' the
Watch, Lighting, Fire Police, Fire PreVention, Hack-
ney Carriage, Licensing, and Gas Committees, com-
prised a recommendation to- accept the following
tenders for stippitingi pollee clothing I—Messrs. Wrenn
arid Co. for clothing for Inspedtdrs and bridewell,
keepers, and for gloVes for the ferde ; Messrs. Conway
and Co. f$A-clothifig :for remelt arid, 6Onstables ; me.
C. Redfern for hats ; Mr. S. Giraau for boas.:
Mr. CLINT moved the confirniatiori of the preceedingS
of this committee, observing that there was nothing dot.
of the general routine business which called for any
remarks from him. He would only add that, on the
occasion of the opening of the Free Library and
Museum, the police arrangements were said to give
general satisfaction.
Mr. Alderman PARKER said, whatever might be said
of the police arrangements, there was one thing he
thought was extremely improper, and that was the
ereetiOn Of the harriers in the streets. , In Manchester,
*hens the Ctu,een Visited That
.cittY, no such: a step was
taken. He hoped that on anitiitilre occasion it OotiM
not be done ; but that ssihoev,'er had the niating of the
arrangements would trust to the good sense of the people.
Mr. J. R. YEFFERi explained that the subject had
been disanssed in the Arrangements Cemniittee, and it,
was only doe at the request of the chief constable„Who
thought the erecting of the harriers was most desirable.
He thought that it was a question for Con.sideration,,
whether at any future time it would not be desirable to
have regular sockets in which the barriers could be
placed, 'instead of having to pull up the pavement on all
such occasions.
Mr. CLINT said, that after wtat, had recently occurred
at Stockport, where some persons were killed, he thought
that the Chief constable, who was.really the responsible
acted groat discretion and good judg-
ment in ha-Virig the barriers.
The proceedings were then confirmed.
131#E lIEALTP 603Y11IITtEE.
The proceedings of this committee were next read,
as were also the two following letters—from the, chief
constable of Lancaster, aid front Mr: Theodore Iliath-;
bone :

Chief Constable's Office, Preston, 16th Oet.., 18'60.
Rlrt,—With reference to my letter of the 20th April last,
referring
to statements publshed by two, officers of the borough
o Liverpool, reflecting upon the conduct of the county Poli_e_e
of the Wdolton division, acting under the direction of Mr. T.
Rathbone, in carrying out the provisions of the Act for the
Registration of Contnion Lodging houses, and expressing my
hope that the Council would take meastires totelieve the police
from the imputations cast upon them, which I was prepared
to prove were unfounded. 1 have again the konour to request
that you will bring the subject to the notice of the Council, as
the same charge has recently appeared in a newspaper corre-
spondence, in which remarks reflecting on personally,
have also been introduced.--I have the honour to'be, sir, your
obedient servant, W. P. ELGEE,
Chief Constable of Lancashire.
The Worshipful the Mayor of Liverpool.
Chief Constable's Office, Preston, 26th Oct., 1860.
SIR,---With reference to my letter of the 20th April last,
complaining of a statement made by two officers of the borough
of Liverpool at a meeting of the Association for the Promotion
of Social Science, in reference to the conduct of the county
police of the Woolton division, I have the honour to state that
at the time I addressed you I wrote under a misapprehension,
as 1 find that the observations of which I had reason tea
plain were made by only one of the gentlemen referred to, and
not by both, al stated in my letter. I regret again to trouble
you upon the subject, and have the honour to be, sir, your
obedient servant, W. P. ELGEE.
The Mayor of Liverpool, &c.
TO TILE WORSHIPFUL THE MAYOR.
MY DEAR MR. MAYOR,---I am glad to learn that the com-
mon lodging-house question, and the concoct and statements
of the officers connected with it, will come before the next
Council, as it cannot be satisfactory to yourselves or to the
pubis, that a subject of so much importance should remain in
its singular position. With mere personal attacks and ques-
tions the Council most certainly never ought to have its valu-
able time occupied. The chairman of the Health Committee
has been kind enough to state publicly, at the last public
meeting of that committee, that I have been " actua,ed by
'the best motives in the course I have taken" lsurely I cannot
be supposed to have had any other in such a case), and " that
the committee would be happy at all t mes to receive any
suggestions from me, and, if practicab'e, carry them out;"
more I cannt possibly ask or desire, if the Town Council will
but put themselves in a position to act upon this assurance,
which a' moment's glance at facts now undeniable and no
longer open to questions of any kind, will, I think, show them
that they have not hitherto been. . •
My complaint is, that the Common L Idging House Acts of 1851
and 1853, the existing laws on this subject in this country, still
continue for the most part a dead letter in Liverpool (now
almost in Liverpool alone) ; that not one information under
these acts has yet come before the magistrates, although more
than two years ago the Health Committee reported to the
Council that they may be acted upon by any town council in
England, including Liverpool, and although these acts have
produced the most beneficial and useful results to both lodgers
and lodging-house keepers that perhaps legislation ever
accomplished for so important a class of the population, and
have worked so unexceptionably well in both rural and
metropolitan istricts that there has litera'ly not been one
single appeal from the decisionopf
rtoliceeemdiangigsstrualitdeserettheersesianectus
they were passed; and although ~ege _
would have entirely removed the ail d difficulties in Liver-
pool of extending registration there, as elsewhere, beyond the
merely nightly lodging-house keepers. The effect of this non-
application of those very salutary acts has been prolonged
misery, disease, and crime, and of a 'death rate so unneces-
sarily high in Liverpool,' and the cause is now obvious ; for,
however willing the Council may be to apply a remedy, there
seems little prospect of their being able to do so effectually
without more cordial assistance from these on wheal they
haze to depend in carrying out the acts. This question
of the great importance of the uniform and general registra-
tion of common lodging-houses, I only brought more widely
before the public, after repeated attempts within the borough
of Liverpool to call attention in various ways to the defi-
ciency and inefficiency of the legislation therein, facts ever
obstinately denied ; and even FO lately as last year in the report,
which led the Council to believe that all had already been done.
that their powers enabled them to do, and that the registration
had not been neglected, although the 'number of common lod-
ging-houses since registered by the exertions of the present
committee had greatly more than doubled that in the register
when I first called attention to the subject; and the regula-
tions I have so often pointed out, from long experience of their
operation, as essential to efficient registration, are now for the
first time adopted, and to some limited extent, at length intro-
duced. The public discussion of this most important question
by the author of the acts themselves, and of all those best
acquainted with the subject, I, brought forward in a paper,
afterwards selected for publication, and now before the public,
and which it will be at once seen discusses the question entirely
on broad public grounds without personal allusions of any
kind, or blame thrown upon any individual, or any warrant
whatever for personal attacks, and the undenied and undenia-
ble misrepresentations of the facts against which the county
police have warmly appealed to the Council, with offer of the
fullest proof that they are altogether unfounded and unjust,
and which clearly show how the Council have been hitherto
deceived—so much easily preventable misery, disease, and
crime continued during the last nine years---and so much likely
still to continue if the Council do not now interfere.
Their medical officer asserts, and would have them and the
public believe, that if the views urged upon them by me, and
paperfull
inesn
extent, and exactly as it has beenti (simply carrying out the
o
aexidvsotoinagtedlain the
wtn the

carried out in this neighhourho 'id and the metropolis ever since
the first act was passel) were carried out in Liverpool, not
fewer than 15,000 to -3u,iNlo houses wouldbave to be registered ;
and he perSiSts in thi.., monstrous and star ling misrepresenta-
tion, not On the grotind df any words of mine, or nay conduct
as a magistrate deeply interested and actively engaged in
carrying out the. act ever•Sinee it *rased, lint on that of
"a mere estimate" of his pWri, &tinder' on an offici4lstatement
of the pdliee, diftinetly quoted as such. in. my paper, of the
number of unregistered common lodging-houses in four of the
streets of Liverpool carefUlly ekamined by the police, whose
report was admitted at the tithe to bt substantially correct.
To this report of these disgraceful streets the Liverpool police
confidently adhere, and the streets in question remain to this
day in as bad a state as ever, if not worse; and of course
the common lodging-houses in them would be in no way
exempted from registration' tinder.. the present Common
Lodging-House Acts, by he weekly letting or rental to which
. •
the medical officer . appeals, ins defence of their present
neglected state. 13y the assistant or deputy town-clerk, pre-
judibes. against proceedings under these valuable acts have
been, and, it may be feared, still are, excited and kept tip by
assertions of tyratinital, arbitrary, and magiSterial oppreSsiori
under them--of one laW for the prior, and another for the rich, for all of which there is not, as has
,heeti ShoWn--and the
county police Are prepared to prove, bel-Ond tile P9ssibilitv of
question--a tittle of foundation, The cottdgd lie Mention's as
compelled by hie to be fegistered, thotigh no prie lived theid but
the mei:Ethers of the faniily, befit", in fact, and always haiing been,
• a regular common lodging'7fiouSe, 'receiving both weekly and
nightly lodgers, Whenever to be obtained, the occupants
having only told his emissary (who inquired no, further; that
there were then only relatii.es in the houSe; :hat when asked
by the police if they Wished to be. taken; riff the „register, and
freed froth liability to the regulations, they, at orice.ddelined,
"es it was still their intention to take in lodgers if any came.;"
whilst his idea that "my mansion" would not be as much sub-
ject to registration aS the litimblest cottage, shows either utter
Ignorance or fmtlier ,gross misrepresentation of the law in
questidn,—one of the bestitnd largest houses.in Liverpool, that
of the late Mr. Rushton; in St. Anne-stroet, shortly I hope to he
ready for occupation as a niodei col-often Iniging.house, he
will find, being no exception. Now, there having been no one
expression of regret or penitence on the part of officers then
convicted of having for so long resisted, by the most monstrous
carrying out in Liverpool of t
misrepresentations of plain, obvious, undeniable facts, the
on them for its app)i- it to the Council, anxious
ration, would pu
as
..ow appear for the general registration and better lais valuable law, and depending
re-
gulation of their common locking-houses, if there is any chance
of this important object being ever effectually accomplished.
without its being entrusted to other hands than these. and
whether arrangements for prompt registration immediately on
application, and far enabling the lodgers tlieMseites to enforce
the regillatithis
.tfinted OopieS beenplaced each fowl,
with the proper number Of. lorikerit allthed in iacar,„iq ashi a
grrat Measure to render ihmedeisary ttte ndettirnitt visit.lof th 6
police where no , suspicion of. irregularity
exists-; Arratlge7,
ments essential to that cheerful acquiescence which Obeyienee
has shoWo may thus be sp. eaily and cheaply secured—th.e
acts being ; here ,eaqied out. uniformly And strictly ;without
costing thq comity a shilling, iindnow with scarcely a fine, or
a single case be ore tberliagiStrates r ' ''" "
I cannot conclude without thaiikhig.filui MrlMOtor,.for,the
kind and courteous attention you have ewer given to this glib-
ject, and to the many, but not,, I now trust, truitless applica-
tions with which I have had to trouble you, and I beg you to
believe me always yours very faithfully, •••
THEODO/tE W. RATRBONE.
Adertdii Priory, 0. "O,Oct.,th 0 IMO
•
Mr. Alderman DoN:in. mol'ed the colfirmation of the '
proceedings of the two committees, ana iiild he thought
it was only an act of justice to their officers, that flit
should state what had been done in 'the town since
the introduction of the Sanitary Act. Let them take,
for instance, the length of sewers that have been
constructed. In the year 1847. when the act was
first applied, there were only 53 miles of sewers, but now

.
there were no less than 30-Miles. V The officers had
a painful and disagreeable duty to perform in carry-
ing out their instructions,, which, as they were
aware, fionietinies ift,terfete nith pfivate property.
But there was the law, and they had. to; Aatil the
law into effect. They had been told that the
were high, but all he could say was, that the parochial
rates were lower than they had been for some time past,
and that although they had not a great deal, they had
not done so much as was required, and that they were
constantly being goaded on by the Government to do
more. Dr. Holland was then in Liverpool, and making
some important inquiry as to sewerage. It was recom-
mended that the present o'lo should ,be converted
.into Water,
.clcisetg. :Nat Was a, Matter that required
the most grave, consideiatithi. They TER3t ledoiled that
it would require a ire* 4/.11-1.4;0 inoriey. There was
another subject also Uf serious inipVrtarrio, argiltfat *4,
the utilising of the contents of the sewers.
appeared to him that it: was something of a 6oni-
mercial specillation; and that they, as a corporation,
had no right to go into such speculations, but if any
private persons undertook to go into it, of course the
csmmittee. would be ready to render them what assist-
ance they could. Having eulogised the exertions made
by Mr. Duncan in the health department, and expressed
his regret that he should have suffered from ill-health,
of he would hats done ifinfe tltaii he bad, Mr. Dover
t;i4Q/tideci by moving the.adoption of the pfeefiedings.
EARLS, while admitting that much had
been &hie by ilk Health
,Cenrimlttee in d sanitai'y point
of view, said the Chapman nat'diplalled. Jis usual
urbanity, of which they had heatd so much, ivithn he.
said that he (Mr. Earle) had made a " crude coniplaint."
Mr. DOVER said he did not say that, but what he
said was, that the subject had been introduced in a crude
manner. .

Mr. EARLE said he could not be accountable for the
errors in a• newspaper, but he had seen it so stated.
He then proceeded to charge one of the officers, of the
committee with not doing his duty, and read a letter
to the effect that some premises belonging .to him had
been iiiSpecteA.o/nd retorted as all comet, when, in,
fact, they were in a RA).St lii4ryeetiil state.
Mr. JEEIERit wished to kuoii, KoW.randb ot. the O.
miles of the old sewers had been disturbed oiren'dered
useless. He then entered into some explanations. witli
reference to a sewer on his own premises which had
been made by the old Highway Board, and censured the
management of such board.
Mr. BOWRING said he had ,a wish to make some
remarks upon the subject .of Mr. Rathbone's letter.
The committee of which he was chairman had con-
sidered those letters, and had passed a resolution to the
effect that the controversy was begun at the meeting of
the social Science Association, between the Members of
that societj
..aind that 11Thiging it before that com-
mittee MrAtathbone had b'ro*ht it before' the wrong
tribunal. He then went on to sad' th'a't thee' were;
he,Side the medical officer of health, five inspectors, am'
00 and :800 in: iii;tions
they had made between 7

. .
monthly.
Mr.. Alderman CoorEß then replied to Mr. Jeffrey's
observations relative to the sewers that had been put in
by the Highway Board, and exonerated that board, of
Which fie was a member, from the blame that had been

cast upon it.
Mr. Ein,t,-E was surpthied that Mr. Alderman Cooper
should 401'4 up and defend such as irresponsible and
aborninable hoard rls the old iiighway Board.
AVermiti brieffy reptiod, and the pro-
ceedings of the cottittittee
:were confirmed

NEW ptfikft oiheas.,
Mr. Alderman DOVER then directed the'attentioli,of
the council to the resolution which had been adoPted- at
the last meeting of the Health Committee, calling atteir-
flow to the great inconvenience arising from want of
proper office accommodation.
The subject was ordered to stand over to be discussed
at some future time.

21/E ST. GEORGE'S-HALL COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee were next read.
They metYded d report of the misconduct of Mr.
Mackeniie, on the Oen* of the banquet in honour of
the operiing of the Free LiVrarv.. The committee at first
demanded an explanation, which vies gitert, hut riot
being deemed satisfactory, Mr. Mackenzie Was ordered
to be suspended. Subsequently, Mr. Mackenzie got a
furthef ex' lanation to the • committee. At a meeting' of.
this Coinnlittee, also, the mayor stated that he had
received a letter fibm Mr. Mackenzie, and was satisfied.
Mr. Mackenzie was otd,ered to be reprimanded by the
chairnian of the committee, ate' reinstated in his office.
The following was Mr. Mackeniiiew explanation to
the committee .

TO THE CRAVE:HAN OP THE TAW COURTS .COHMITTEE.
28, Blackileld-terrice, Liverpool, 20th Oot., 180.
8i beg' to acknowledge the receipt of a communication
from the town-cler.: containing a copy of a resolution of the
law tonita c4mmittee, stating that complaints had b.en made
regarding Conduct at the late banquet. and that my ex-
planation Was not satisfactory. When I made that explanation
I omitted to explain my motive for leaning forward whilst
addressing the Mayoress. I nosy beg to supply that omission.
My only reason for doing so was the fear that I might other-
wise, prevent some of the audience from seeing some of the
noblemen an gentlemen on the platform. To avoid this I
stooped, but it did not at the time occur to me that this would
be cOnsidered disrespectful to any one-. It certainly was not
so intended. On the contrary, my wish was to show the
greatest respect to the Mayoress. With this motive I ad-
dressed her towards the end of the banquet, in order to ascer-
tain whether I could be of any service in ordering her carriage
to the private entrance, I at the time being perfectly ignorant
as to whether she had Mr. Horsfall or any other gentleman to
assist her.

If in attempting to show respect I have in any way inadver-
tently offended, I' very sincerely and deeply regret it, and
trust that the committee will receive my assurance that the
offence iVas rfdt intentional, but arose, in fact, from an excess
of zeal in the some' anomalous performance of my duties
as a steNtard of the banquet and superintendent of the
building.
I have also to regret my error in not retiring when requested
to do so by Mr. Horsfallt but not being aware of any cause for
this request, I was anxious to ascertain why it was made. I
now see that I was wrong in this, and am exceedingly sorry
for it.
I have been connected with St. George's-hall since 1849, first
as principal assistant to Dr. Reid in preparing the drawings
and superintending the arrangements for the warming and
ventilation, and since 1855 I have had the entire superin--
tendence of the building, and during that period, though
numerous and many public meetings, banquets, balls, concerts,
&c., have taken place at the hall, this is the first occasion that
any'charge has been brought against me in my public capacity
of superintendent; but on the contrary I have had the honour
of receiving numerous written testimonials acknowledging my
services.
Trusting that this explanation will be considered satisfac-
tory, and with the sincere desire in every way to meet the
wishes and to conform to the instructions of the committee,
I have the honour to be, sir, your most obedient servant,
J. Turner, Esq. Wm. M. MACKINZIE.
A sum of £l,OOO was ordered to be referred to the
Finance Committee for payment.
Mr. JOB asked for the particular items of the £l,OOO
which was to be referred to the Finance Committee for
payment. '
Mr. CLARKE ASPINALL complained of the noises
which were going on in St. George's-hall when the
revising barrister was holding his court there. He
had occasion to practice in that court at the time
referred to, and could speak from his experience. In the
morning there was a steam engine at worklt , and at about
ten o'clock the organ began to play. appeared to
him that it was great disrespect to the revising barrister
and to his court that it should be thus interrupted.
The particulars asked fur by Mr. Job were then read ;
after which the proceedings were confirmed,

THE MARKETS COMMITTEE.
The proceedings of this committee included two
memorials from the inhabitants of Liverpool (one origi-
nating at a meeting in the Concert-hall), praying that
no alteration should be made in the present time of
closing the markets.
Mr. RIDLEY, in moving the confirmation of these pro-
ceedings, said that with reference to the memorials, he
would state that the Markets Committee have no idea
of moving the Council again to extend the time during
which the markets are kept open. The markets were
in a flourishing state; the incomes were increasing, as
well as the benefits conferred on both the tenants and
the customers. Some time ago the committee obtained
permission from the Council to use the site of .the old
Islington Market, but at present they had no occasion for it.
It was now in the same condition as at first, only very
much improved in its appearance. The market at the
east side of the Free Library was found quite sufficient,
and answered the purpose as well as the other.
Mr. Nickson seconded the motion.
Alderman PARKER complained of the great number
of hucksters with whom the market alluded to was filled.
The hucksters said the magistrates would not convict,
and accordingly defied the market people. Against this
he wished to protest, and he was sure that if the Mar-
kets Committee would turn their attention to it, they
would find it to be a source of much detriment to the
inhabitants.
Mr. RIDLEY said they had found considerable diffi-
culty in carrying out the views just expressed by
Alderman Parker ; but as their arrangements for the
new market became perfected, it would probably be
settled satisfactorily.
The proceedings were then confirmed.
THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE.

Alderman GARDINER moved the adoption of the pro-
ceedings of this committee. In doing so he referred to