The Daily Times.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1860-03-27 00:00:00

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HOUSE ~OF LORDS.-7—XEsTERDAY.

The Earl of ELLENEOROUGH made some strictures
on the plan of India! ,firlaneeiProposed by Mr. Wilson.jok.
e. DOr of An.cryp, ob,seryld ;that !the gpyernent
had not as yet received the official details.
The Mfi'rqiiis Of diii4V.fe.trinE, on filovfng for returns,
clemaneled more! attention .to the statp.pflpprpierp,anel
harbour's, and declared the state of our coasts to be a
disgrace to the countrf
After! some ion Irliscrfiern itlid T " in
reference to the returns, • ,

The Earl of H RDWICKE questioned' the. policy of
spendiiigflarge sums on 7,orksliable to,beldestroyed by
the ocean.., , •
The'llouse adjourned at 6.20.

ItotrBß tOMMONS.-L—YEsi,i.Riut •
The Speaker took the chair,at four o'clock:
A long diseurion, took plaqe on the third readi,ig,of a
pripte, Scottik, bill (the Ness and 13eaitly. Fisheries
Bill), which was ultimately read a third thne,,by,l4B to
93. , . .

Tria discussion which took place on sortie arinylrleturns;
s: litiraMer stated that the alteraiiMi Miw pro-
posed in the army arrangenients woutd not died the
, •.;

Mr. MAGurnE asked the Chief Secretary for .Ireland
whether it is the intention of the Government to intro.;
duce any measure in the present session, With a view of
putting an end to, or, at least, of materially mitigating;
the hardships now entailed on Irish-barn poor, by their
removal to -Ireland by the parochial authorities of
England, Tales; and 'Scotland,
Mr. CannwELi., said that-the President. of the fidor-
Bbard had given' notice that he should* inove'for the
appointment of a committee on the whole subject, which
would embrace the .metters relativp fp, the removal of
the Irish poor. -
Mr. Horn asked the Under-Secretary for the Colonies,
whether or not he is in a position ti,4:;:give any.informa=
tion beating upon a staternent•which-lhas 'been jape,'
that an electioneering agent has been 'appointed' ,a
a
justice of the peace in one of the Anstralian-colonies,l,
,heing at . the time., and having-, continued after his
appointment, to be • a hired' servant in the 'employment
Of a re.sident in the district for which he has been
appointed such justice.? '
Mr. C. PORTViCUE said that no information had been'
received' On the', subject, but care 'had been taken' to
guard such appointments from party influence. •
Lord. D. LE.N:cox asked the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs what steps it is his intention to take,
with regard to ;breaking -up diplomatic. establishmentsi
;now,existing at Florence;. also, whether he intridS' to;
'propose any, and what, -change' in the pOsititin :Oksihe,
Queen's. representative at the ' Sardinian Court, in con-
sequence of the recent, aggrandisement Of that State.
Lord J. RussEtt said that he had advised her Majesty
to abolish the legation at Florence. Her Majesty had,
approved the advice, and had given notice to Mr. Corbet,
to consider the legation at an end. As to the legation'
at Turin, steps had 'been taken to raise it to the rank of
.a.first-class mission. •

Cattaj i JEnyis askedthe Secretary to the Adniiralty
_upon what principle officers in the :Royal Navy, tried by
court-Inartitil, are'unable to obtain a,copy of the depii-
tions of •that court until a year has elapsed from. the date
- - -
Lord p:!PApvr ,Said the; depesitions were. kepi bick
for the purpose of allaying animosities, but the aembid,
had hill iirleariS of :knoWing :What.tool: plaie at the trial,
as all the proceedings were perfectly open.:

rn reply to Sir f. Grogan,
Mr. M-App.iia ..said .:that, be. sheuld, iptpl4itee his
proposed bill, respecting 1 the supply of Dublin with
water, on Friday.
The Consolidated Fund -(£850,000) Bill, for the
expepses 4?f the,,, Chinese expedition, r wasL.A.ead ,third
time.

Mr. HORSMIN rose to bring the state of our foreign
relations before th,e Hor. The papers promised in the
royal speech, in reference to various matters, - had not
been
~pfacip_COti aliplomatinfnertes,\initrAtrence
to the dispute between Spain and Morocco, had been
kept back. He then' went into' the entire parliamentary
history of,the Savoy annexation,-,contending that from
the first the House had been misled by the statements of
her Majesty's Ministers, who alt the while continued to
demand its 'confidence and to exact its silence. He
complained of the withholding of the last despatches on
the subject. A motion in that ll?use might have
encouraged Austria, Switzerland and Savoy to resis-
tance, and embarrassed seriously the policy of France.
It was
.fpir that reason that the movements of France
were so rhipid a's.th antibiptite ilk House. • -He adhaiitted
that the House should abstain froui expressing its
opinion while statesmen were diplomatisidg, but not
when they, were acting.. Events were_ taking place
—troops were sent to Savoy and ships to iNicd---while
the—Government- believed. they. were negotiating, and
still demanded the ferbearance,4of the House. The
experience of the pssiti warrantekthem in scrutinising
narrowly every mqieirnent' of the' 'Government, which
had ahpvgn iitselfiafeiior hoth in co e rag, Ind duplicity to
their imperial's*. The' Enipetror was the chci4en for
his own people; and-bad deserved well, of them. No one
could find fault with his internal policy, but his external
.
policy was open .to the gravest .suspicion:, ,lln himself
had already characterised that policy as one of aggres-
sion, and aegrandiSement; and war. ' Two'of those had
occurred ; no one kne'c '. how soon the last would follow.
Their abstaining, from expressing their opinion implied
either indifference or complicity. By his conduct,,,the
Emperor had deceived:, the: English Ministry.- He had
treated them with's 'duplicity' which they had not the
candour to acknowledge, aila c ntempt they-had not
the spirit "to resent. He bad -added insult to- injury,
and perfidy to injustice. - ,
Lord Russeu:denied. that the 'Government lad in
any way wished testifle discussion-fa the House. The
speech just .made" by tbhjright hots. gentleman was a
toltvuble specitnen of , the' freedom of debate. , geeing
, the indisposition of the opposition by any violent act of
hostility Ltd' the Ministry/4;711y did not the right hon._
gentleman take his Once on
.the front opposition bench,
and do all that faction could accomplish ? lie ridiculed
the_UtiOß
_that the assistance df France to England, 'in
the Chinese expedition, had been a matter of any bar-
With respect to Savoy, he himself hadfolditke`
House all that passed between our 'ambassadors, botfrftfc:
Paris and Turin, with the governMents to whiCh the'
were' accredited. • He could not state what sense wag' ie
be put upon the declliratien. of the -Emperor, that lie
wonldfconsult 'the great ,Powers; but s#:soou,,,asp
hg
fourth what ,was the . real - inearting, he name down to
the ouse and deciarea it. rte neu saw 14441, 11
was a cl'claratiOn against the annexation, it maid
not be icereevered-. in, But the Great Powers had
expressed no such ppiaion., Austria had declarp
its indifference in !'the matter ; and Russia' had
said .that Sardinia was free to • give , shay ber
proVinee: What,. therefore, • they might do, would
have -faletis- weight than if they were backed by
the ptherPowers. The-question was connected with a
matter in Which the nation,_ as; a free nation, was inti-
mately concerned. The neutrality and independence of
Srpitzerlatr-this4as, a. questida totally different from
the annexation either of Tuscany or Savoy. The pos-
session of either of these provinces b ad n ot been guaranteed
by the Great Powers ; but the neutrality of Switzerland
had been so giYaranteed, ' and 'in 'that guarantee_ was
inclUded a , portion of. Savoy.: Arai-Ater
of ~ Savoy altered the (ligation as .regarded -that por.
trop
and Switzerland,.. therefore,, 44.4
appeal to' the 'Forgers of Europe, with a view to
hes:teutrality and independence. vow, involVed
nod itierely an answer to despatches, but that they should
ascertain the Opinien of -the-Courts d Vienna,
and St f Petersburg:- .The two formerfhad alreadystated
that they considered the question as one of tlieligheoc
itnptiitan* and the matter must be broucilt regularly
before' them. The House was not- able to carry
on negotiations in a body ;Voting by majority or
minority : it had given its confidence to her Majesttyh'es
Ministers.; and they should act in accordance with that
-- -conceal his npinion that
confidince.
ethiductof the EMpPerar gave reastAi for great distruit,
as had the; conduct . of Sardinia ; but he did not believe
that strong resolutions or language on the' part of the
House would have arrested the course of events. On
the contrary, it wcruld have tarnished France with a
plausible pretext "for insisting on a point of honour.
England had proclaimed that,: whatever language she
might use; 'she, had not the! least intention of going
to War:: He believed 'that , the annexation' of Savoy
~
willa lead a nation so Wailite as . France 'to Other
demands 'of the same kind; :and thus, while he wished
to live on the- thost friendly- terms with France;
England must not separate-herself from Other,`Powers,
and declare with them that.the, tranquillity of &retie
could -VeVir be preserted if doubts' -and rumours:' of
attacking this or that country ,were constantly kept up ;
and that they must unite in preserving those rightaland
boundaries of nations on which depended--their welfare
and comtnercialVrogresslf
Lord S. Mikrixtils expressed his delight Int learning
that, the- Government was abent to renew their, .old
alliance, and to guard,- in -common with the other
poweil; the neutrality and:independence of Switzerland.
For this he forgaye ,theta many crtord they ;cotirtnitted
in the ctnirse of 'their negotiations.
Mr. Bittuzitr observed that-those who were so anxious
to introduce this ,question had failed in shoWing .Whitt
inter*, this cotiritry, lair (FOr himself, he wauld
haveknOthing to- do it, exeept,.sn far as it affected
the House and the interests- of England. Sardinia, by
the cession of a province politidally -worthless,. had
paid \France fo'r 'her 'services duririg the late' -war,
which was better far this conntry than a perpetual
alliance-between-tlie: two -nations. It was,a.dmitteci_that
France had acted 'throughout With perfect' good= faith
and England herself had jilted forwarUthat state of
things, which rendered the cession of Savoy inevitable.
How could they expect, after what had passed, Austria
or Russia to join with us in this- miserable --quarrel.
Prussia had further declared -that it had no interest in
the matter. It came to this, that: no nation, had any
interest in the matter except England; and -yet it was
one which touched the continental nations much
neaarer than ourselves. He was not sure
that ';those who when in power : France
had 'riot shoWn themselves favourable to England
were not now, ~eXeiting the t nulish press for objects
unfriendly to- ourselves against the present dynasty in
France. He protestedagainsit,the -House placing itself
in the humiliating position of barking When they could

not bite,-and making-itself the common )ff of Europe.
Thnpast pursued by,this country
had,injured ourselves 'and 'do'ne no,goon„to other people.
He preferraentiie isolation to, ineessaut.irifertheddiing.
If sbeinterfewd; Lett it .be in favour of those principles
of justice and:inioderation so necessary to thd peace (1

Europe.
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Mr. C. HAMILTON protested against the;doetfines of
lir. Bright as ruinous alike' to the honour and interests
'bf 'Thygland..
Mr. 'KING.LAKE likewise protested
:against. it, , and
expressed. his .satisfaction ',rit the tone taken and tide
Statement made by Lord S:..lttissell.' - .- -

A lengthened discussion then took place on the-income-
tax, and various details connected with the, budget, and
thoseveral impositions of :dlity,therein proposed. After
ilieh,,the report of Ways and 'Means was agreed to.
'The CHANCELLOR . of the EXCHEQUER moved the
second reading of the Refreshment-rooms and Wine
:Licenses Bill.. ,S.::;Yerid'petitions'were presented against
it;, one, among: others, from Liverpool, characterising
the measure .as one of confiscation:: Tbe Chancellor ,of
the ,Exchequer,' in Making the , motion,: obserVed
that he proposed.i the :bill. not on fiscal grounds,
,but as, essentially good :.in itself, and likely , to
be productive of temperance and sobriety inthis country.
He pointed out the .absiirdity of the existing laW,
'whereby out of 63,000' persons 'licensed to sell spirits,
38,000" Were not licensed to sell wine: The further
consequence was that , the most abominable mixtares
were sold under the name of wine. It wasmecessary to
open new channels for the sale .of Under' the
present system' .houses -notoriously immoral were con-
stantly licensed by the' magistrates. That system had a
tendency 'to •produce monopoly 'with all the attendant
evils. „ He., did not anticipate much objection to the
proposal, whereby grocers were not Omitted to sell
wine- to be 'consumed on the premises. A more
ditlicult question , aroSe in the , proposal to subject
refreshment. houses,io the control of Alie'Peliee. , This
• was necessary, -from.thoirregularities:eonstaratly practised
in such places-, .11e mptild ,exempt houses in
villages. While;N a, lie
fjtnnettF bitting amd drinking, the
law-established' houses 'where you could drink without
'eating, and others where you could eat without drinking.
Hence persons were driven to louses where drinking was
the thief 'business, to the evident risk of sobriety. This
principle was totally at variance with that of the old
Beer,l3ill, Which; it.was said',' had so signally failed. Ire
asserted that no country where wine was cheap:was addicted
todrunkennesS. By the bill a far better system of control
was established than any at 'present 'ekisting. By the
bill, all keepers of eating-houses could apply to the
.excise: for a-license. • -The -ey.:cise -mnetrinake known-the
fact to the magistrate, who,might, upon showing cause,
forbid the issue of the license.' The magistrates had a
power fqually stringent for the purPese'of repressing
disorders. The powers. Tgiven to ; the magistrates were
very,. large, so that ~no,. person whose position and
conduct wonld. 'not illicit': examination .would apply.
for a license. There were various penalties attached
to offences, atil% Off these regulations. would, 'he
bMeved;'' entail 'benefit of 'no `ceiniziOn importance;
not .only as,a fiscalimeasure,; but of the highest benefit
in its. social and moral bearings.
. Mr. Wttn moved the adjournment of the debate.
',.Mr.' AYALTON. siiPportecl tlie adjournment, contending
that the . provisions, of the .as a money bid, must
first be considered by way of resolution. : •
'The 'motion." fOr adjournment was supported by ;Mr.
Liddell, Mr. E. James, and other. members..
On a division it was negatived by
.150 to 122.
The CHANCELLOR of the; ExCHEQUEEI,Said that he had
opposed the .measure of Mr. Ayrtou on .account of the
principles- on Which it was -founded ; , but he had no
objeCtion to adjourn the debate, so ns‘to give menibers
an opportunity of, expressing their sentiments. He
proposed to take the debate at a morning sitting on
Thtitsday. . •
This, led to a, warm: diseussiorion'which the mode
adopted by the G,Overnmentotnianaging its business
was severely handled by the Opposition.
Ultimately the Abate Was' adjourned till Monday.
The: other 'orders were dispoSed of; and the House
adjourned at five minutes past nne