The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1873-10-25 00:00:00

THE TICHBORNE TRIAL

HUNDRED AND NINETEENTH DAY.
The trial was resumed on Monday, when their lord.
ships took their sesta at five minutes after twelie:

JAMES 111,NRY LODIIII Irifs the first witness called. He
was examined by Mr. K enealy, and saM I live at 8 Hamp-
shire-terrace, Southsea. I was I ormerly • captain nf a
vessel, and was at Rio In 1854—from Jima 1853, to July,
1851. IWM at Rio from 1851, resident there. I wan pays
proprietor of the i• Exchange" Hotel there. I knew Captain
Brown I did not know him as a captain. flew.. clerk to
It b-is and Alversu 10, ehipchanillera Ile has been at my
hotel In company with varloua lea captains. I teat law
James Brown in January, 1853, and down to June or July,
1854. Ido not know that he carried on any employment
except clerk to the shipchandlers. When the roue]. lie at
Rio in tot weather the *cams always get open so far as I
know. The son Is very powerful there In the months of
March and April.
Are you, MI a sea captain, much surprised to hear that a
ship i•houll have a great many feet of water In her bold very
aphily 1--I have only had experience In one case.
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Ho • mnch have you known In the hold of the ship mid
denly f--If yon wIU show me to tell you the gory-
Mr. Flaw Idea : I object to hie g, Ins Into a story.

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The Lord Calof Justice: The Vdtll6.oll for the prosecution
have bten saked whether it is creditable that a ship could
have twelve lest of water In the boll without the people
knowing It.
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Mr. lan; ly I will mak itim ae to his general experience.
llow many feet of water hare you known to be In the hold
of your ship suddenly?
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Witness : I left Rio In the ichooner ffind, 140 tons. The
reseed was lying over very much, and the top Wee being
opened she leaked very much, and when they were sounding
the well they could not find any ate r, but immediately she
righted again It was found that she had sft, or eft. of water in
bee.

—The Lord Chid Justice : The statement which has been
made?. that the vessel had 121 t. of water In her.

Witness : The vessel would have rank If she had had lifk
of water in her. If die had not righted when she did ahe
would no doubt have taken more water without our knowing
It
Croes-ezanained by Mr: Hawkins : You were the captain of
hat veseal
Witnesa Yes .

What time In the morning was it you discovered the five
feet of water ?-4t daylight. I was woke up and told of It.
It credible that there can be twelve feet of water in •
vessel of under {CO tont, and the captain not know It at ten
o'clock lathe morning ?—lt euch • thing had happened these
must have been great negligence.
Within your experience in it credlble that at ten o'clock on
this April morning twelve feet of wester could be in the hold
of • vessel of 400 tons and the captain not know It 7—l can't
say what might happen in each case.. All I know La that the
water appeared suddenly in my venial.
You were =feint—Yee.
Do you think, .opposing you had been awake, five feet of
water could have been In the hold without your discovering
it f—lf the vessel had been upon an even keel it would hive
been in3poasible.

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The Lord Chlef Jostles : Do not the captain see to the semi
of the vessel before she stszie ?

Wittleal : No. Boma vessels will lay over more than
other..

Is it possible, In ipise. where there la i ot sun, for the
seams to open, and the captain not know It when he goes to
e..?-11 very often happens.

CHARLY9 LEWIS lam now keeping the" Alexandra" Hotel,
Brentwood. I have been very 11l lately (the witneee spoke
In very low tone.). I knew Roger Tichborne. I first
became sego:tinted with him In 1840. I knew him unlit
1649, when he Aned the Carenineers. At that time I was
apprenticed to Mr. Ramsay, of Alresford. Roger Ilebborne
elm introduced to me by Him Doughty at Alreslord. I was
/veered to go to Tie:borne House by Mr. Ramsey to show
Lady Doughty some goods. About 100 yard. from the park
:ogee—Inside the park—l met Mr. Roger Tichborne and Mies
Doughty. I think thts mute 11346. Mlle Doughty told me
then that the young gentleman with her was her cousin
from Paris. After QM time I frequently saw Mr. Roger
Charles Tlchhorne. He and I were In the habit of going to
various places together.
The Lord Chief Justice: Dld he go to Alrederd or you to
Tiehborne

Wit.. • nomettmes one way sonietimta another.

By Sir. Kenealy Whenever Roger came to Tlchborne
House I always saw him. We used to meet of an evening.
air. Konealy : I believe ha took rather a liking to you?
%Mama : Well, In fact, everything that occurred to Bow
Tichhorne and ruyvelf we always told each other.
'The Lord Chief Justice: Whore did you meet him?
Witness: In the park, close to the house. Bornatinle• at
the Lovers' Seat—sometimes on Tichborne Downs.

01 an evening 7—Yes, my lord. 1 have inet him at varioue
other place.
Mr. Kenealy : And you went shout a good deal together
Ulf.: young men do?
Witness: Yes, of an evening, not In the day
Was there any occasion when you hal a fencing match P—
IS warn not a fencing match. its struck me over the head.

The Lord Chief Justice: What for Not without some
provocation
With...; IS was because he would not go to here a spree
tithe Union droll,.

Whose are the Tinton docri —At Tichborno Down—ln
Tlchborno Donn Union.

What onion, that /—Whers the poor are kept, lie ran
away from me and I ran after him. I believe I gave him •
touch with my hand. and he stitch me over the head with •
small stick he had In his hand. I drunk M him with a stick
that I had, and at the end of my stick there was a point—a
piece of Iron I thrust at him, and struck him on the left
arm, about brilf.way between the elbow and the wrist (indi-
cating the outside of the arm) it bled freely, the point
having gone through his coat. This occurred on richbonie
Downs, between two clomps of trees called "the Demonism."
I went to Afresford for some dlachylon plaster. Raving ob-
tained it, I went back, and having my wham.. is my pocket,
I cut the plaster and bound up his arm with his awn handler-
chief.

The Lord Chief Juatlce : [low tar had you to go into Alm-
ford 7

Witnem : It to about a mile.
Mr. Kenealy : Are 70%1 quite sure It was on the part of the
Urn you indicate/
Wanes' : it was either on the one Ode 00th. other.
Mr. Justice Lush: That we a very leading question, Mr.
Kenealy
Mr. Kenealy : Well, my lord, what am Ito do? I knew
from my brset that that was wrong
Mr. Hawkins I object to inch a remark.
Mr. Kenealy : Well, I beg pardon for making It. I know
It was wrong.
The Lord Odd Julies : Then you don't remember which
aide of the arm it was/
Witness I believe it was the outride.