The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1871-06-10 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

The Hones of lords rnet, June 5, for the Bret time sitar the
recoil. There wale very numerous attendance
of• rule of the first snivels on the Treasury Bench
.r 1 de Grey ar'd Rip,rn, who, on tits return from
America, was ,ongratulate,Thy many of hie noble friends.

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Lord Sandhurst, before calling attention to certain General
Orders effecting Army Leerre and enlistment, premised
that he did not intend to refer to the Amy Phi, and that he
@poke In no antagonism to the itorettimoit Sharply
Critic!, ng the Orders in yoestion, he coin pl eked that they
Were tilling the Army with half geol.', Marveling boys, to
stead of grown men capable of stistatning fatigue. When in
India his representations, although backed by the medical
authorities, were made in vain, and the result was that not
only were the rates of mortality etibmiced by tho youth of
the recruits sent out, but the safety of our Indian posses-
sion, was in some degree Imperilled lie next examined
the subfi.ct of Army pensions lor private sot gers Doubt-
ing whether tensions could he taken away without compensa-
Mon, he thought it possible to attract recruits by an
Increase of pay, a proportion of which, representing the
pension to which they are now entitled, might be put by for
them in the savings' bank, and handed over to them at the
mid of their term of service. Lord K•ll.lhurst concluded an
effec:lve maiden spelt by expressing his agreement with
the principle of short service At the same time, he hoped
that it would be gu uded by due conditions.

Lord Northbrook gave explanations relative to the Orders,
and etated that arrangement. had been made fur transferring
recruits who were physically malt to go to India to ottnr
battalions at home. lie also adverted to the CrltellUlVl In
preparation for employing the Army Itererve and Pensioner.
in the Post 011 ice and as clpyists in the G .vernment
It would he toe In, 10 Lay ‘lOll,ll any statutory limit ,4 age ,pll
enlistromt. the anoy had been increased by 20,000 men
within sin m nibs and Mi, sudden expansion had been
iseces”rily attended by a certain deterioration in the
physic ti capacity of the recruits. At the same time the
*tract of the Circular On abort eulletineut had been salt.
factory, and. If the plan succeeded, it would be greatly to
the advantage of the Army and the nation.

The Duke of Cambridge remarked upon the difficulty of
adapting swam of conscription to the ch,urustances of an
enlisted Army Agreeing with Lord Sandhurst that recruits
should not be taken before tO. If they could be thou obtained,
be pointed out that at that age in Rogland a tuna man had
generally settled down to some occupation. and that It was
necemary to bid for his services at all earlier age The sugars-
ton that young men of la should first be passed through the
11111tia deserved consideration, but numbers were di.posed
to go Into the Sit:lda who refused to enter the Line.
There was a great pressure upon the Ouvsrnmentto create an
Army it as rapidly as possible ,1/11 it was impossible to
form such Reserve unle,s the men first poised through the
regular Army. It was essential to hove. large leaven of old
soldiers, and from that pelt ciple there was no Intention to
depart. Ile felt that frequent changes In the mode and term
of enlistment were most objectionable, het the oJvernment
were now endeavouring by tentative measure* to •btain an
Army Reserve, and it was his duty to give them an earnest
support In their rol'irary measures %Min pointing out the
Interests of the service and of the Individual soldier

The Duke of Richmond, after paying • graceful compli-
ment to Lord Sandturat said he entirely concurred with him
as to the effect of the General Order., And cited tie case if
the WO Regiment, under orders to leave K.land for ludis
next September This regiment was 914 strong, but half the
soldiers were under 2001ST. of age. T. larae proportion id
youth. among our rarebits demanded serious attention With
certain of Lord Sandhurst's suggestions he was unable te
concur, but he protested Against the General 00015 relative
to recruiting laced by the War Offtoo, as unw,se and ba.
politic.
Lord Kimberley dated that the Secretary of War was
making arrangemen•• under watch no soldiets would be sent
out to India unit, 0.0, a bounty of one guinea being offered
to men of and above that age who would volunteer for India.
Be defended the War 011ie, against some of the animadver-
sions of the Hulce of Richmond,

After stew words from Lord De Roe,
Lord Grey said that Napolron and all the great Generals
agreed that boy-rectults only bo he do.vn under fatigue ani
filled the hospitals After the warnings the Government had
received It was • proof of great mismanuernent that • rest
ment whould be under order. for India with half its met.
under Mk He accepted the principle of an Army ROPOIVO,
but regretted that the measure. receet ery to place the
country in a state of security had not betm framed in Amore
statesmanlike spirit.
Their l.rdships than adjourned.
In the Home of Commons, on the motion for the second
reading of the Surrey County OM us Bill,
Mr. Locke Klng moved as an amenemont that It he read a
second time that day three months. The taxation of tin
county of Surrey was, he said, proportions ely greater than
that f any other county, and this bill proposed to Imp ."
additional taxation. It had only been corned in commit' es
by the casting vote of the chairman, and the magistrate
were by no means unanimous in .upport of it Panting the
great change likely to take place lathe time Circuit, he fell
bound to oppose the push g of such • measure.

Mr. Denman, having practised on the Home Circuit, could
say cortidently that the Newington courts were far better
than any of the assize courts In Surrey.
Sir, R Saguenay said that very great Inconvenience arose
from the present p,sitiou of the courts at Newlpgron. As to
the expense, It would amount to only the thirtieth part of a
penny for a period of 30 years.
Mr. C. Burton opposed the bill.
Mr. Cubitt said that the main purpste of the till was to
enable the county of Surrey to sell property which they had
acquired by Parliamentary right. The estimated valueof the
land which It wait prep-wed ollir tad be sold we. e ~000 or
more than half the cost proposed to be incurred nu derthe ntll
The greater part of the criminal husiners of the county wa-
transacted at Newington, and, mater the provisions oil recent
Act of Parliament the Lord Chief Justice at.purned the
melees to that place, and that was thersfor• a great
reason for the improvement of the ovine As regarded toe
statement of the hen member for West Surrey that the
magistrates did not represent the property of the county,
they were appointed by the Lord Lieutenant, and the hon
member hart better settle that questtou ',Lb his noble rela-
tive rather than bring It before the 11 use,
Mr. Hinds Palmer opposed the bill.

Mr. G. Harvey hoped -that the HOMO would not be called
upon to decide • matter of detail upon which they could not
forms right conclusion. The normitrates had. after Lao
year.' consideration, agreed to rebuild theae courts, and to
raise a portion of the coat by selling part of their property.
Tide was agreed to by the [louse of Lord", and he trueted
that the Elusive would not be called upon to divide upon the
uestion.

-Thes..lionee then divided—Ka' the second reading, 110 ;
igsthst, 9S; ma) ,rity,

-The hid ISse thee -read a second time.

A large number of petitions anat.& the Army Rvnlarlnn
Bill, were presented by Sr H. S-Iwln•lb'lrtson, u•donel
Lindsay, Mr W. H. Smith, Major Arbuthnot, Colonel borer-
lord, and other hon. members.
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Dr. Lynn Planar asked the first Lord of the Treasilry when
the Government expect to carry thrench then, elem, for I',.
proving the st .le if eft neltion lo S.:ot lane, earth has ahead,
passed its secood ceding.
Mr. Gladstone said that the Government could net give the
bill precedence over the Amy S. gulation Bill or the Ballot
Bill, but they still hoped and lote ndmi Li imormll tin ,ucc m
Mon to these Lille to perm v, to with the Ineature. If pulite
opinion in Scotland weenier far nr of Its passing.
In Committee on the A my Bill, the censideration of Clause
11 was resumed; the arst amendment dtsp red of was sieved
by Sir Percy Herbert, and its otj.Ct was to inners for officer.
mowing on full pay all sums which they have event on
their contralttlona, to be repaid either on le.ving the
service or at death to their heirs. or sooner if the secre-
tary for War thinks tit, but the capital sum to hear
Interest at I per cf nt. mail it is repaid. it was opposed by
Mr. Cardwell, Captain Vivian. and Sir 0. Grey as unfair to
the taxpayer, and • total change in the character of the me-
curtty now premised by the i Moen Sir L Palk, ii done! C.
Lindsay, Colonel Anton, and others recommended it as
proper compensation to the OM iers for the alteration In their
conditions of service, which amounted to a breach of con-
tract. After the amendment had hem, discussed for some
time, Sir P. 11.1-bert with irew it without pressiog it to a
di deion
The next amendment was moved by Sir 0 denkinson, and
proposed to give purchase officers Interest at 1 per Cent. on
the regniation price of their cominisalona until the time of
their rettremeot. It was supported on the same grimed of
eompensation for breech of contract by Colonel Wilmot,
Colonel Km- x Lorl E Cecil, Colonel North, Lord Garlic.,
and other military nienr`g-rs and In the courre of the long
discursive discussion whirls it provoked, and In which all the
old topics of purchase, selection, official relic ace, Am, were
again touched upon,
Sir D Corrigan, comparing himself to 4' Clesandra" and a
"cabin-boy on the look-out," warned the officers' friend. that
&storm was brewing, and that If the bill failed this year sent
year's hill would give them nothleg but regulation prices
Lord Echo, on the contrary, thought that there would be no
bill stall next yeer if this failed, and challenged Its friends to
appeal to the country upon It. Mr H. Storks, tn opposing
the amendment, asserted emphatically that the officers of the
Army as • body do Let regard the bill wilh disfavour. This
was denied by Lord Bury, and he also declared that the
officers hal full confidence in the pad eel Parliament, and
that II theollicers opposed the bill it was In the Interest. of the
country, and noted thefrown pockets Like Lord Eirho, he was
quite ready to go to the hustings on the bill, and both
the noble lords alluded to the debate in the Lords, drawing
from it the Inference that the measure has had a hard time
before it, If ever it reaches that Assembly. Mr. Candlish
regarded the proposal as an unwarrantaide gift to the
officers of the army of £200,000 a year; while Mr. Greene,
who also prof roved to treat the proposal from a Commercial
point of view, declared that If the reputation prices were
net paiii down atones it was only an &dot common honesty
to pay Interest. In the mid Sir (11, Jenkins°, permitted hie
amendment to be negatived without division.
An amendment moved by Sir W. Russell, entitling °Meeri
who are Invallied by • medical board to receive reeniatton
and overregulation priers, was beteg, opposed by Mr. Csrd-
well on the ground that it would give officers • privilege they
do not now possess, whereas the object of the clod...pimply
to indemnify them against lora o,i a division the Committee
rejected it by a mol May of 68-259 to 191.
After along and uninteresting discussion as to whether or
net there dould be morning !ridings to further the progress
Of the bill, the House ad:laded.

In the House of Lords, Jona 6, the Canada Bill was read
a third time and posted, and their lordships Immediately ad-
journed.
In the House of &maims, Lord Enfield (replying to a
question from Sir 3 Has gave an unretersed contradiction
to the rumour that the North German G Jvernment had pro-
posed • cession of Heligoland.
Mr. MIMI asked the Secretary for Foreign Affairs whet er
any communization had been made by the French Govern-
ment to tier Majesty's Ambassador In France In reference to
the abrogation of the chalice Treaty at Commerce ; and
whether there was any objection to lay upon the tails of the
House all the corresponds. CO and papers hearicg thereon.
Lord &Mehl said that • eommlinlcatir n h I incidentally
been made by the French Government to the British repre-
sentative In France, not with regiod to the abrogation of the
Treaty, hut with regard to certain portions of It As no
communlcatb 11 bac been made there was no correspondeoce
or papers In connection with the mattes that he could pre-
sent to Parliament.

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Sir John Packington asked the /lest Lord of the Treasury
whether he hitctiiltd to eeopt the plan recommit tel by the
committee appointed by the Treamn y " to report upon the
open Ur spaces available in the vicinity of the Palace of
lh'estmlnater for the states, of stab- and whether the
committeig for erecting the ',Weeded statues of Lord Derby
end L rd Palmerston are to nuderaand that it is the final
decision of her Major y's Government on this subject to Carry ,
Out the plan referred to.
Mr Gladstone mid that there wee no intention On the '
put of the Government to treat the report of the committee
as a final document Map sing of the lineation The right !
bro. hat onet, blether w:th other ern tlemen acting with re-
ference to the statues of olatinguhhed statesmen, made an
applicatiou as to the mot's in which the neighbourhood of the
Moue, of Parliament should be made available for re
eelving them lie( Mr. Gladstone) agreed with Linn that it I
was desirable If possible to proceed with the work with expe-
dition, but, on the other hand, it wan a matter of very great
Interest, and, considering how often they hail had to retrace
that, steps In matters of architecture and taste, it was his
desire that the opinion c,f the in use r:d the t obi.° ought
to le directed to the oriestion, and that they might obtain
the beet asourar.ces of Earl ring at a satlafactory conclusion, Ile
had thought it bcet to in Ace a reference to gentlemen whose
opinion, had the right of authority, and they had reported
the opinion that they formed upon the subject. The Pint
Commiselo net of Works would have to he consulted, and the
Immediate purpose of laying the papers upon the Uhl° was
to direct the attention of the House to the quotation.
Mr. Grave. moved for a Royal Commissito to inquire how
the mmicee of merchant seamen and the mafaring popo'athcn
heiterthe may be made in re readily available for the naval
Service of the country in timu of widen emergency newel.
Premising that thereat defence of tria cotton') is to be sought
not so much in military reorganniation as In the develop-
ment of our enrivalled naval resources, ha referred to
the recommendations of the last Commission showing
how some of Its vital recommendations had not been carried
Out, and how anew haptiry is needed from the Changes In
the Mercantile Marine . tot the Royal Navy, While ed witting
the snccem of the system of tr doing boys for the Navy, be
maintained that our power of naval °emulsion was restricted
by what he called the isolation of the Navy and Its
separaalon from the other naval services of the country.
Dealing with the question of Reserves, be described
heel SM nirtou stringent and orK-Sealualcal regola•

Hone In rein-11-6 -height—age, -tenth —Or -MIL -inti-
m) on, which, he contended, deterred bet men and othoere
of the Mercantile Marine from joining the N sval
and argued In favour of establishing a closer connection
between the Navy and the Mercantile Marine in this he
includcd also some schemes for utllleng for defensive pur-
poses. In the form of inshore flotillas and otherwise, the err-
rtces of the maritime population—llahermen, boatmen, .0:
all round the coast, by which, he contended, the country
might be made sbooluiely imnregnable.

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The Motion was seconded by Admiral Erskine and lop-
printed by Sir J Elphinet-ne, litho recommended the este-
tritehroeni of a great central college on the south coast for the
education of the Mercantile Marine.
Mr. Goschen, in arguing against the necessity of another
R pal Commission, asserted that if all the recommendations
of the hut C.immission had been carried out, we should have
• larger number ot seamen on hand, costing • much larger
sum of rnoney than there tinny prevent tired for. As the
Ironclad. require a much smaller complement than the old
men-of. war, the Admiralty has at its command starter force
of Mue-jackets than It can find ships tiC in tact, it could
man • second Mediterranean and Cimino' Fleet, without
duiwlng at all on the Cute Guard As to the con-
dition of our Naval Reserve., however, Mr. 0 ochen ad-
mitted that Ills not satisfactory, and requires consideration
lie discussed the conditions of service objected to by Mr
O , allowing that they need modification, and, promising
ipnerally that the whole euhject should have the attention
of the Admiralty, which would not act departmentally, but
tv,uid make tire of all the means of information at its com-
maud, he urged that it would he much more expeditious to
leave it to him to deal with the question on his responsibl-
lit, than to hang It, up by reference to • Royal Commlselon,
Mr. Corry thought the First Lord had met Mr Graves on
the question of Reserves in a very fair spirit, and recom-
rn hint not to press hie motion to • division but he
rather dissented from Sir. tioschen's estimate of our actual
naval strength, printing out that we had not a sufficient
number of Alps of the class required to protect our colonies
and commerce In the event of war.

After some observations from Mr. Liddell, Mr. Graves with-
drew the motion.

Mr, Delahunty waa proceeding to make sr,me observations
on the currency laws of Ireland when the House was counted
out at ten minutes to eight o'clock.

In the Il.mse of Commons, Jane 7, on the order of the day
for going Into committee on the Ballets Bill,
Mr Cawley said that he could not allow the bill to go Into
committee without making some further observations op nit.
No one was more desirous than himself to promote harmony
between thos, who holding a common faith, differed In
matters of detail, and to accord religious liberty to all : but
this bill did more than protect liberty on the part of those
who might differ from the Church o. England, and was
calculated. instead of promoting harmony and good feeling
among the different denominations which existed In this
country, to produce Increase i acrimony and 111-feeling.
Ho could not admit the right which the bill cl timed for all de-
mm411600,15 to conduct their service. in the parish church-
yard, for the principle wee inconsistent with the existence of
au Established Caurch, and was applicable alike to the
chorch and the churchyard It would be the fruit-
ful sourCe of animealty, more especially In cases where
on an inclement day the church doors were closed against
the mourners, whilst their right to conduct ...vice in the
chnrchyard was allowed. The hill nought tel remedy the evil
which unOonbtedly existed in a direction which experi-
ence bad shown to be wrong, and as there was another mode
or deellt g with the question, which he had embodied in •
hill. he was opposed no going into committee on this measure.
That remedy was to provide cemeteries or burial grounds
whenever flooded throughout the country, portions of which
should be appropriated to those who differed from the Church
of England The principle of the hit really involved the
right of all dissenting bodies to claim the use of the church
for the performance of their worship when it was not re•
witred for the services of the Church of England. lie moved
mat the II use do go into committee on this day month, In
order that the second reading of the hill which he had In.
troduce4 might be taken In the meantime.

Mr Richard um that the large imaJnrity ol Dissenting
chapels, especially In Wale., had me graveyards attached to
them.

Mr. Beresford Hope was glad the discussion had assumed
Its pres, at form, tor If the amendment were carried the
tm.. hills on the subject c,.uld be referred to a committee,
i a measure might he framed from the two which might
hecome law daring this session. The question had now
been limited to this—should there be lu parishes wh,re
there wars no burial ground hut that of the parish church,
the two alternatives of the service of the Church or no ser-
vice at all ore third alternative of a service differing from
that of the Church of ngisad7 The latt r alternative
c aid not he accepted by the Church of Eggland, which wu
thy Church of the majority of the people ; and Its members
meinteined that, whilst they did not violate Dissenting grave-
vArds by services which would be repugnant to the feelings
of D nenters their churchyards should not be violated by
ffien services lie urged to accept the amendment, in order
that the two propmals might he brought hefore the com-
mittee together, and a satisfactory measure agreed upon.
Mr. 0 Morgan defended the bill, and protested against
the obstructive c..urres pursued In regard to It. There must
he an end to all attempts at legislation on the part of private
memhers if discussive debates of this, character were to be
entered into at every stage •.1 Its progress. At the proper
tlme he should be perfectly ready to explain the grounds on
which he opposed Mr. Caw!ey's bill, hut he contended that
this was not a proper occasion for entering into such an en-
p'anation.

M. T. cams hoped the opposition would be reserved for
the third reading of the lAIL 13 opponents had circa iy been
neaten, and should now rest content, and endeavour to
amend the provirians of the measure In committee.

Mr. G. Hardy disputed the proposition that because the
second reading of the bill had hers castled Its opponents
had no right to oppose the measure on going Into com•
mitten. What was the position of the Church of Eastland
at this mom-lit? Her members said she was the national
awch In the sense of dieting to the whore nation her
s,vices and her religious instruction. The Dissenters said
she wee not national In the sane that she accom-
modated lemelf to their services, and therefore they
had withdrawn from her. Then, were they to treat the
on the same footirg as the whole of the State
t Hering as it did to all who chose to come every a,commo-
da•lon given to those who did attend If D:s%enters would
conform to the rules of the Church they had free &COWS to
the church and the churchyard.; but if they withdrew from
the rules, and said, "We object in the services. but chins
the right to use the churchyards," seeing that it wa, part
of the constitution of the Church to give the unvic.s, they
asked for themselves a privilege which the Church her-
Self did tint as joy. In point of fart they required to do
that without hindrance which would be bra. ling if don-
t, the der,sy end the m.mberr, of the Church. Ile objected
to the bill because It treated the Church on the 01.1 hand
as a den, mlnation, and on the other as a department of the
State tow' Ich they had the right of access. He paid Isis
allegiance to the C lurch, not because she was coons c..ed with
the Stale, but bemire he believett In the truth of her teach-
rig sod in her apostolic character. D.Sll(nter. bad not been
sup lied fiv in the Church, but had withdrawn themselves
and their contritintions of their own accord, and the burden
nn!, t .1.'1.7 the I here bull o-now fell 'ilk :y 11113
th it, o, h • I.ellee it lu the d. c sines of the Church.
Us- ;r aif the Btu 1.1 Acts was the ol j.ctlon of the El!s-
ten, era lobs. driven to the service' of the Church of E.-
] cal, bet a'. that time It was conceited that there could be
h.. 0, vice In the parlsh churchyard. Th. y therefore
•. l‘e for st..t chtalne I cenarterie.., and had received State
Cud wrnents for cemetery chape's ; )et they now sought to
divert what had hems Oven for one purpose to another. That
the churches and churchyards sh-dild be used be all he be-
lieved would he detrimental to religion, for a medley of reli-
gions ve..5 1 ke that creed which was spoken of as no creed
a, all, and which was so elastic as to a stilt everybody, but
would retain nobody. All that was wanted was that each
should have its own, and while the Dissenters were outside
the p.lO of the Church Ist them Oct in this matter as they did
with respect to their baptians and marriages. In all but a
few ex,erlonal cases the services of the Church were freely
off-rid, cad he did not think that In satisfying their own
consciences Diesenters should hurt title of others, and with-
draw from them the liberty which they on their put were
willing to concede to those who differed from them.
After remarks from Mr. Scourtleld, Mr. Newdegate, Slr E
Palk, Mr. Dolt, Mn, Russell-Gurney, and Mr. Cultism°,

The Howe divldmi:—F .1. going into corn Attee, 171
epithet it, 190; mei wity, 71 The Howe then Went Into
committee.

To the let c!ause,

Mr Cawley moved an amendment, the effect of which was
to nrovtie that Dlesenters should have liberty to bury In the
pa.ish churchyards, but should not be entitled to perform
any religious service.
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lord if, Manners, who opposed the hill al a step towards
disestablishing the Church of Elgland, commented upon the
fact that no part bad been takin by the Government in the
4o hr te.
After some discussion,

Mr. Bruce said he malnia'ned the opinion he hat pre-
Tinnily expressed that • religious service performed icy a mem-
ber of a Deeenting community would not be any Infraction
of that sanctity which they all wished should he attached to
a burial place, whether belonging to the Church or not. Ile
*dusted that • very large number of members of the Couch
of England were In favour of the bill, and many hon. mem-
bers on that side of the House who !supported it were as
devoted to the interests of the Church as hon. members
opposite were as strongly opposed to any proposition for
her diseetabllshment, and would not consent to give up the
principle of a National Church. Personally, he supported
the principle of the bill, because he believed it to be • just
and equitable concession to make to the Dissenters.
After considerable discussion, the committee divided :
Ayes :for the dance) 184; Noes (for the amendment) 141 ;
Majority 41. The amendment wee therefore lost.
Mr Cowper Temple moved the omission elf the proviso that
• clergymen of the Church of England shell not perform any
religions service other than that of the Church.
After some discussion the cemmittes divided :—Ayes (for
the claim). 155; nose (tor the amendment), 141; majority, 14.
This amendment was therefore rejected.
Mr J. ci Talbot moved the insertion of the following Pre-
cise :—" Provided, that any service not according to a put-
listed ritual shall consist orly of prayers, hymns, and en.
tracts from Holy Scripture."
The amendment was warmly supported by Mr Mowbray.
Me. Beresford Hope, and Mr Entseil Gurney, and opposed by
Mr. Cendlieh, Mr. Ackland, and M:. Bruce, and ultimately on
a division it was r! jected by a majority of two only, the
numbers being 146 to 144.