The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1871-06-17 00:00:00

THE TICHBORNE CASE.

The hearing of this lengthened and remarkable came
wee resumed on Monday morning at halt-paat ten
o'clock.
On taking hie seat, the Lord Chief Justice said : Brother
BalMottos and the SoUcitoroleneral. I turncoat yon have both
*min copies of the certificate of the medical men who were
anititainhteadur examine the claimant and report as to the state
Mr. Serleant Ballantine I have it In oiy hand now my
lord; but I have not had an opportunity ot reeding It.
Ills Lordthip : I think as It was tuggested that an inde-
pendent medical examination should take place that It would
be better that the jury thould see It. I don't suppose either
of you. wish that It should be read out In the court.
The Hollettor.General: Nat in the tete; my lord. I should
like the jury to melt, that I. &IL
Copies of the medical report were accordingly handed to
the July, and after its extrnination. the cross-examination of
the claimant was returned.
The Solicitor.fieneral Now, the other day I was asking
you about the different schools you went to In l'aris, and we
got as for ow the swimming bathe. Who took you to the
swlnlmtvg.batlo
I don't retnemnat who It wan.
Did you Morn swimming t—Vu, I could swim it little.
Where were the swimming-baths ?-0a the 50i1...
Can't you retuutoher who took you &oft know.
Was it a servaut, or your [sifter, your tutor, or who 1-1
don't km, . .

—Cannot sou imumatber one :—.LS one wall.
Not tho name of a single person who took you to the
swim:Wu, baths • on I went with timidlon.
Timt iou aro sure of' quite ct rtslu.
Was he the person who usually took you have been
there with MIL, but I caunot Nay whether he Usually took we
there
Was it Chatillon who usually took you there ?—That Is my
Imbresslon
Are you quite confident about It I—l am. I have been there
with him.
Did
did, you ever go to any other place ?—I have no doubt

Yen, I have no doubt Roger Charles Tichhorne did ; but 1
want to knew if you can tell me with whom you want I—ho.
I don't remember.
I think before Mr. Roussel you did say you had learned
dancing /—Ves.
The solkiter-lioneral read from the evident* given by the
claimant before Mr. It mint in which he raid that he learned
to dance in Parts ; that he did not remember the name of any
young lady. with whom he danced, and that, if he did, he
would net tell.
The solieltor-General Now, do you mean to tell me that
you don't remember the name of any young lady with whom
you danced In Penal
Witness : I make the lame answer as I did beiore—lf I did
remember I would not esy.
Why not r—Because I cmsider It, very impertinent quirt-
Uon for you to ask.
Well, impertinence Ix a term which hair nothing to do be-
tween you and me except In a revelant ILLStIY—You must
remember that you raid the other day that you were going
to be as Insolent as you poebibly could.
lits Lordship to the Solicitor-General, DGl't hold any
argument.
the Solicitor General : Allow me to say, my lord, that if I
used the word—if the wi,ret insolent escaped me, I extremely
rigret R. I dld net Intend it in that reuse
kir. Serpent liallantine : I am glad that the learned
Solicitor. General haa withdrawn that espreeslon.
Ills Lordship: if my recollection serves me sightly, the
word " Insolent " was used, but not by you.
A Jtuyman : It was put Into the mouth of the Solicitor-
General by the claimant.
The Solleltor-General Well, however it may be, If the
word escaped me-1 don't remember using it—l am sorry
tor IL

The Solicitor General (to witness) Whether you consider
it Impertinent or not, I must ark you If you remember the
name of any young lady with whom, as a bt/ of 16, you
danced at Paris?- There can be nothing improper to that.
Witnees : I don't remember one.
Is It that you don't remember the 'menet- I don't re-
member. _

Du ton really mean to say that you don't remember the
name of one young lady I—l danced with a great many, bat I
dun'tlemembtr their name,.
Thal may be; but I ask you to glue me the name of any
one 4—i don't remember.
Not ono?—i don't remember.
led you ewer go to a ball in Partal—Yea, I went toe ball.
Where 1-1 don't remember. I have some recollection ot
going to a ball.
one went to two or three.
Where I—lo Peell.
Yes, you mlght --
remember

Yee, you might ne well my in France—but where?—! don't
•mber.

Ye. but up till 16—you are not so very old now, YOU know
—surely you can remember chore you went to. Were they
public or private balls Y.—Private balls. I went to one public

Now we will stick to the private ball. It le plain your
numory Is getting better. 101 l me the house where you
went to the private ball 7-4 don't r,member.
You did not to to many 7-1 went to three or tour.
Well nor, surely you can tell me one private home?—l
don't remember.

'Name was Ito public one P-1 don't remember.
But onnputlic ball only meld have prod uceO an lmprentut.
Surly Oh can tell ma where lb was 7—No, 1 don't re-
member. . _ .

--6;;;;tt tell me when that Wile ball woo'—! think It wee
In ltl
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—iTtero was ft In 1951 that you went to ?—I have told you
before that 1 don't remtmter whets It was. . .

Can you give me the name of ono eh glo perms you met at
this tuhlio hall gout thick I knew any. bor y.
That Is your answer t—Tec

Did yaw) alone 7-1 did.
Dld.you dimes thle ?7Yee.

Can't you remember the name of a angle partner you
danced with ?-140 ; and 1 doubt it I knew the name of any
one.

--tVae thcre anythlnr else you learnt In Part a—we have got
swimming and dancing don't know , there might have
been.

ToM Li ty hat lam asking you. Did you ride I—Very 11111 e.
Ind you tide at all I—No, I don't think I did.
You cud Lordly forget that. Dlot you ride9—l don't
recollect whether Idii or not. I don't know whether I ever
milord a hone in Paris ov not up till :he tlme I wan le.
But did 1001—To the beat of my belief I did; but I cannot
reveinnber when or where,

;1;10 In Pn•l.,—Tlin nntl. Slane I ande

--Mid-y-olilear:U.-Vldlng In a riding-schaol In Parts, or not ?
I might have gone down to a rlding-rchool two or three thnet
My trieatLn le, did you I—l have no recollection of
&Ina eo.
ley the Court I acnnot nay whether I did or not
The Solicitor-General T, n can hardly forgot whetter you
went to a large building day by day for thl purpoee of learn-
ing to ride?
Witness: I ?on't remember.

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I we before Mr. Rottwell you were asked the name of your
father'. 'errant at Par*And you eald you nuly r membtred
one Wm. Bowden. 110 you remember Iu —Yer.

liow old waa ho—bet;:ien 40 or 105—No not to Old so that.
Was It luau after you larded In Bogland that you aaw Mr.
Bowden at Alresford In company with Mr. Belay Seymour
—I did, but I had !COP him before that slnce my arrival.
Was ROLUe tier s—No.
But Mr. Borklns and Mr. Henry Seymour were 7—Yes.
Did 31r. floury Soymour go he wlth Mr. li,wdoe, aid did
you say 'That Is my uncle Nangier—No, I did not.
The Solleltor.6enerni That ti.ur swear I—Witness : I do.
My node Is between seventy and eighty, and Bourdon Is
thirty-eight, and there Is no reserublm ce between them. In
the tour In tho south of France, there were my father, my
mother, and a friend of my father's, 1 think.

The : Would it surprise you to hear that
M. sle Maurer,lie went irith them, and that Mrs. Tichborue
never left Paric—Witueu: I think you are wrocg tn stating
things that are not tree. You should wait tell your time
comes, and prove them. Thla is the aeoomi Lime you hare
made false stateroom:to.

The -;4.;llcit-o-r-Ci7u-er-al That you swear T-W"ttoesa : That
I swear.

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The Sollcitor•General : You say you bathed In the lake at
Pcnic ; would It surmise you to find there Is nothing like a
lake there I—Witness : It would indee.t. 1 don't know the
name of the lake. I think it Is about three-quarters of a
mile away, but I can't remember. When I met with my fall
from the rocks I think I was first attended by the medical
man of the place. I don't know who was our medical mania
Palle at that time. I cannot soy how for Tonic Is from Paris,
but my Impretsion Is that it was over 100 miles. I think we
were about three day. returning, but I cannot eay where we
stopped 1 think my father was with us on that occasion.
The Sollcitor.General . Before the examiner you said that
yon went with M. Chat/lion, and you did not recollect any
third person being there.—Witness: I think my father was
with no. No doubt I was confused when I was being
examined, It livery hard for Inc to say why I did not before
the examiner recollect many of the circumstances I :acw re-
collect in reference to the Journey to Panic.
The Solicitor-General : You now recollect Chatillon sinning
hls drawers. When did you begin to recollect that I—Wit-
ness I dare say that Mr. Chapman Barber confused me.
The Solicitor-General: No, dou'e make that imputation.
You were the first witness he ever cross-examined in his life.
;Laughter.
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Mr. Setleant Eglantine : Yon should not say that. It war,
an admirable cross-examination, and I felt for the witness.
Witness I think wo were over a tot Might gone to Porte.
We went to other places, but I cannot say where. Upon
recollection, I ant certain my father was with us I did not
happen to think of this when before the examiner. I went
home to Earls after the accident. My father went with us,
butt am not certain whether we sent direct to Paris. My
impr.egon was that we went from Potato to the seacoast
somewhere. I have no recollection where it was, nor how
long we stayed. It might have been upon some other trip. I
have a recAlection of being on the aea-coast with my father
and Chatilinn. Immediately I was carried to the house of a
lady who lived near. I can't say whether I was carried or
walked. I naturally said carried," but I have no recollec-
tion upon the point. My father was sent for, lie was not
there at the time. When I said carried I did not mean that I
WPM carried on people's basks. I only stayed at the lady'.
house a 01..0 time, I think until next day. Wu then nnob
beck to Poole, in the carriage, I think. We stayed there,
my Impression Is, a couple of days or so, and then we went
to the sea-coast and to Paris.

The S Chatillonremetn on good terms
with Mr and Mrs. Tichborne up to the smi of tour stay in
Europe, until March, 1.853 /—Witness: Yes; I think m. I
cannot say whether they had any words when I was away.
They appeared to be on good terms. I was on sery good
terms with him. Ile wanted me to go and have breakfast
with him the morning I started, but my father would not
consent. Ile came to see me in 1667, though my mother had
been warned by the Abbe Same not to let him see me. He
had seen the other side, and had made up his mind not to
recognize me even If It was me. My mother, Mr. Holmcs,
and Mr. Lest told me Mention would take this course.
, Toe Mellor-General Did Lady Tiolaborne go be fetch
him I—Witness : I can't say.
The SollottowGeneral Will you swear she 'did not ?
Will:ems: Why do you ask me when I tell you 1 cannot re-
collect

—The-Solicitor-6 eneral leld he not come to the hotel with
her t—IV Heim : I believe she came with him into my room.
The Sol Icitor-Gene ral Da you not know, upon your oath, the
went to thatlllon's house, and brought him with her In the
carriage P—Wituesa : On my oath. Ido not recollect. I don't
know.
The SoUcitor-General : What do you believe about HI
Witness : I do not believe that she did. She did not tell me
she was going to fetch him. Ido not remember that she
told me this How can I swear she did not when I say I
cannot remember
The Solicitor-General lilt not your mother come Into the
room with Mint—Witness I hove been on my guard against
that all the time; for my mother hue been there foreome
time previously, and therefore she could not go to fetch
him. She brought him into the room, but she had been there
tome time before. Whet I nte,nt was that they did not
both come to the hole/ together. I believe that my mother
went out of the room, and then they came in together.
The &Hotter-General : Was not CO appointment made by
your mother that Chatilion should come to the Hotel In Lille
et d'Albion to see you 4—Witnese: I have no doubt you are
more correct than tam, for you had eight Or ten sides round
the hotel, and you speak from record while I speak only from
memory. I asked for my mother to send for him, I believe.
I did not mean that Mr. Holmes and Mr. Loot told me about
Chatlllon having been to the other site, but they were present
when my mother told me. Ido not know he was announced
by my mother as M. Chatillon.
The Solicitor-General Will you swear your mother dld not
say, " This Is M Chatillon t"— Witness t You teem to know
better than I do. I with you heed icy brains and I had yours
for a little while. (Laughter.)
The Solicitor General I rather think you would find that
a bad exchange.—Witness : I think not, I did not say what
11.14 to eaune a laugh, and lam sorry I said it.
The Solleitor•Ganeral: Were you writing I—Veltneu : I
don't know.

The Sollcltor.fieneral ; Had you a handkerchief to your
fact t—W linen I have no doubt you have Information from
your spies of what took place In my own private room.
Chatlllon spoke to me In French, and he also used Boole
F.oglish words.
The Solicitor. General Did not Lady Tlohborne say, 't 111.
no use talking French to him, as he has forgotton all his
French "I
—Witness : Ido not know. We had a eonsfderable
conversation, and Leal interpreted. Ile was eating nearly all
the time.

--ilie--;Olicitor-General That you swear 4—Witness : Now
that Is not lair I answer yony question, then you lay,
" That you swear.' I know very wed that sou are trylog to
make me perjure myself.
Mr. Serjeant Ballanthre : Keep yourself (old, —Witness I
will not he quiet and allows person to try to make me per-
jure myself,

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;moo thromih the pedigree. Ido not knew which la correct.
the Solicitor-(leneral On the 6th of .Tune you more dlr.
tinctly that the Brimonts were relstious on your mother's
aide. Is that true I—Witness I suppose It ts a rulatake.
lull edging of the Baron de lb knout we always called him
uncle In lament my letter, you mleht fad him no called. I
hero not spoken to 11r. B dgent about the pedigree since
the 6%91. June... The De Brimonta must hays been relations

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on my father's side.
The Solicttor-General; It was to your own counsel that you
said they were your mother', relations I—Witness Not
knowing the history I cannot go back. I never made the
subject my study the young De iirtmouts were always
ooked upon as cousin,.
The Lord Chtel J mice at one o'clock said that the merficsl
men recommended an adjournment for an hour in the middle
of the day, and the court was therefore ailj fumed for that
time —llls lordship directed that a convenient seat in the
witness-box In the Court of Queen's Bench and a rest for
the plaintiff's feet shoald be fitted up.
tie the reassembling of the Court, the witness said Ido
not now recollect anything about 11. Lettere. Ido not re-
collect that he prepared me for my first communion.
The Solicitor-General Would it surprise you to find that
Roger livea 00th. most intimate and affectionate terms with
him for y ears 7—Witness I don t recollect him ; that Is alit
c stacy. I do not recollect the Chrialiau name of any person
I coolossed to.
he S ilicitor•General : Wit you go to the Me Alexis Llfflere
on the day of Al,lls, year by year, to give him offerings
for distribution in charity P—Witileos I any it was not no. I
do not recollect thy colour of his hair.
The Selieltoi-General :Do you recollect any story he used
to tell you time after time about the colour of his hair ?
Witness Ido not at present recollect.
The Solicitor General Did you ever complain to him of
any conduct of Lady Tichbome P—Witness: I nalght Ido not
recollect.
, The Solicitor-General ILd you go time nlt• r inns with
1 complaints upon the same subjects t—Witness:l believe I

The Solicitor-General. Who was the Pre Alexte Lettere ?
—Witness Ido not know. Of Course it Woe • clergy man,
but Ido not remember who It was. The complaint wag of
my mother keeping me droned up as • female—that la, in
fr-dk:—!,'t so many lean.
The Sullcitor.Oencral Would It surprise you to heat that
yen went year later year to h a-a Alexis Lefevre with an
Mitring on his birthday, the day of his petron rant, St.
Al: xis, for charitable purpotes f—Witness It was not so. I
do not remember the colour of his hair. Ido not remember
at hutment any story about it. I might have complained of
Lady Tichnorne'm conduct to the here Alexis. I believe I
went repeatedly to him to complaln from time to time. Ido
not know who he was. 01 course he was a clergyman. The
complaint was keeping me dressed up as a female so resny
years in frocks. Ido not remember who he was. I know I
did complain, but 1 cannot sly to whom. It was at tha
church. Ido not recollect. It would be at a church. 1 tit,
t remember the name. I went in (rocks. I was kept in
frocks until I wan sieves or twelve. Ido not remember any
more. I believe I got out of the frocks eome time after—
before the time appointed. Yon seem to be very innocent
oynsidering your brothai Inas Jesuit.
Ilie Solicitor-General I have toe greatest regard and
Tee eratfon for my brother.
Sir. Set leant Ballentine : lain ready to stand by my client
on all pr per OCClaloni and on all legitlmate questions, but,
to far as 1 Cul apologise for him, I do so now.
The SolicitorGencral : 1 do not consider what he has said
as an insult.
The Lord Chief Justice : I cannot catch what he says
scan retely, bee I am Pure the claimant La not advaneing his
calm by such observation,.
A discussion here ensued, in the ColiZie of which the
Sellcitordlienered sold that Iliac had ever made any unwar-
rantable observatioti he wished to withdraw it, arid Mr.
Serierent ll,lluntlae said that he regretted that the witnese
had for a moment forgotten himself.
gastuteat.loo rammed : Prot** ate wore for meet] yew
drar_Ce. Isle-old have Med to rear them until 1 waSIS .1 was
wearing (rooks belonging to a certain order of religion.
The Salicikr-blenerel Do you mean you were devoted to
a certain order 7—Witness: I used to wear the frocks of the
order, I should think the order of the blue—white tricks
bordered with blue. I foryret altogether what it was you'll
take good case it shall not go out of my mind. 1 forget en-
tirely all about it. When you brougnt it to my ml d 1
tad some recollection of complatning. I cannot rememb
the name of the elegy yman or anytholg about it. I cannot
tell you what order it was. I wore always, in and out of
doors, a white frock trimmed with blue until I was 11
year. old.
.(I.le was here reinineled that he had been asked

about leis frocks, &a, and had not given any answer) Why
did you not tell M 3 this beton 7—Witness : I did not with
to. I mostly wore this blue and white /rock. I Chola to
England, I think, not in a blue and white frock. I did not
wear it at T.ottle roe and Upton. I cannot remember if I
came to blue and white. Ido not let ow if I wcat back to
my blue and white on my return to France. I should think
I never complained about my ford.
The Solicitor-General Did not Roger Charles go time after
time and complain to Father Alexia that his mother stuffed
him with soup t—Witness: Ido not remember It now. Ido
not remember rotating a secret when 1 WY about 19 to an
it timate and affectionate frknd, • clergyman, and making
a serious rutolutton to him. Ido not recollect having •
minim and long conversation with him about my resolution,
and Ido not remember the secret. After leaving Paris in
MP 5 I believe there was a clergyman with whom I need to
have Berton. correspondence on religions and other subjects
Ido not remember who he was. I wrote several letters
generally to the same person. I do not remember where he
lived—ntither the person nor the place. I have some re-
membrance of writing letters.
Toe Solicitor. General : Between 1815 and up to 1833?
Witnem : certainly up to 1840 Ido not know Ida name at
present. I mid that word "at present" without thinking
(The WllllOllll woe cross-examlned for some time on this sub-
ject. tie,.!,! the person to whom he wrote was at Paris,
and last at Boulogne. Ile Mat wrote about ISSO, but could
give no further Information as to the subjt cis of his letters
or the personal appearance, name, or c3llditioll of his corre
spondent.) Witness : Is 1345 I left l'aris, and Europe in
1933. 1 writ levee or eight times between those years to
Parte. The last time till IFfi7 was when I went to take leave
of my father. they shifted from the Roe de " Perramees"
to the Rue de Riven. (the witness was here cross examined
In order to fix the exact time when he had last been In Park
before leasing &trope, and he said he thought it was in the
winter
The Selicltor.General Should you he surprised to find
that Roger Charles was in Paris from the 07th of January,
1853, to the 14th of February of the same year? You said
you were in Parte one clear day, a very short visit. —Wit-
ness : I am not surprised to hear it was three week,.
The Solicitor-General: Me clear day you told Mr. Giffard.
Ile acted on your hatructlor ; which Is at—Milne/se : I can't
tell if it wan three weeks or one day.
The &Reiter-General : You could not breakfast with
Chatillou because you had only one clear day :—Witness : I
am not Inlet did not go over after that. My memory will
not carry me back. I can't say if my last visit was one day
or three weeks.
What sort of a looking person was Sir James Tichborne.
Describe hint 7—Witness: flow describe him.
The Solicitor. General What sort of person wee het—Wil-
e... Ile was tall and very white and eery fair. His halt
was almost white.
The Solic.tur-General, Much of it I—Witness: Not very
much.
'I he Solicitor-General: his hair become whit. oarly In
life 7—Witness ; it was always very near white, it was very
lire Sulicltor-General ! Was he stout or not 7—Witness:
Ile wart thin. Ile was about 16 stone, I think (a laugh);
from 14 to 10. lam no judge of the weight. Be might be a
little bald on the top of the forehead, ilis eyes were in-
clined to be blue I think It was a lightish blue eye. I know
his handwriting. The document handed to me is my own
writing. I dou't know whose writing the second is ;it is
similar to mine. I won't swear to handwriting at •11. I
catmot tell whether it is mine or not. The third document
I believe to be mine.
Mr. Sesjeant Bellantine laid that the documents were so
folded and covered up that the witness could only see a small
portion of each.
Walther continued Moore went over to Parts on one
occasion, but he was never in service there. Carter was never
In Parts, nor Dl.Cann, nor Mr. !Sargent, nor Mutton. I don't
knew whether Min Brain war ever there. I don't think that
any of them know anything of Paris.
The Solicitor-General : Ilad Sir James Tichborne large
eyebrows I—Wituess They were a fair sire.
The Sri citor-General: Were they busby, overhanging eye-
brows I—Withers I think not.
The lialicitoroGeneral : Gave you seen that photograph
Wlthese Yes, It is not Sir James Tichborne. It le the por-
trait of Ortme's father—(a laugh)—and the detectives have
been showing it all over the country as the portrait of my
father. I don't know whether iii. like him I never saw
Orton's father. The second photograph trio not know. I
won't swear to photographs at all, for I have seen you con-
fuse my witnesses with them 80. I don't think you could
recognise anybody from such a picture as that.
The Solicitor General: Should you he very much surprised
If there were a portrait of Sir E lward Doughty 7—Witness
I should. Not one in a hundred people would recogulse it.
Mr. Sarjeant Ii Ilantine It mutt not be maimed that it is
the likelier@ of any body.
Wiliest.: I have no tattoo mark, and never have had, upon
my arm or elsewhere.
It being now • quarter to four, the S,licitor.Goneval said
he had to commence a new branch of his cross-els m!nation,
and the claimant said 110 was very tired. The Court there-
fore AO _turned.
In answer to the jury, it was Intimated that steps would
be token to provide • rettring.room for the Jury for the
future:

The proceedings in this case were resumed at ten
o'clock on Tuesday morning. The court shifted its
sittirgs again to the queen's Bench Court, where a
fresh witnees-box, pulpit-like in shape, and surrounded
by a sounding board, had been extemporised for the
ooclution.

The Solicitor• General resumed the crom•examination
of the claimant.
The Solicitor General :Wee Boyle 1.11 Mr. Tlchborne's ser-
vice at Paris 7—Witnes7 No.

Too Soticitor-General: You told Mr. Gliferd you went over
to England at your uncle's funeral. Where did you to to I—
Wltress , Tichborne.

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The Solicitor-General: 11311, long did you day I—Witners
Fey or 119idaye.

the SJIMItor-Eleneral Wu It then that you had something
done to your Moulder, as you told Mr. Oidard e—Wltness It
was done nrevionsly.
The SAMltor.General: When 1 Witneu: I don't re-
member.

-71-11;;A011citor.General : Snreiy you must know I—Wltneu :
I think, to the nest of my memory, It was done in France.
The Solicit or.Genetal : At what time and under woo: oh
clunatancea 2—Witneu: I doe t remember the occasion
being done.
rho Solicitor General Who deemed It 2—Witness: Different
people who were near me.
The Sollcitor.Deneral : Glee the name of anyone I—Wit-
nes ; don't remember the name.ot anyone.

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The Solicitor-General You swear that Chatillon Was eating The Solleltor.Gmeral Wilma wan it dressed with lifaves
!newt of the tune!—Witnees I never saw a person eat so —ln Parts t—Witness I Whit It was in England that It wag
hearty in my life. (laughter ) He looked.. though he had dressed with Ivy leaves
not had • meal for a long time. (A laugh.) The Solicitor-General : Can't you remember where you
The Solicitor-General Did he not say, "You are not my got them t—Wilincei : I Can't tell you where I picked the
Old friend Roger '—Wituess: Something of that kind. I did Wives up.
nothear Mr. Holmem thereupon say, "Then we must do with- The Solleitor-General : But where were you t —Witness I
out you." Ile did not come several time. after and wan re- at I.pkin.
fused admiutop. He dtd not sok me to go to breakfast with The Solicitor-General : When 4—Witness About 1883 or
Moue old friends. 1 did nek.Send Word on the appointed 1840, 1 think,
morning that I wastoo Hi to go. The whole of what you are The Solicitor-General: Who helped you to get the ivy
laying Isfal eto • word. I did not leave instructions the I leaves t—Witness I really can't remember.
was too ill to see him. Chatilion asked me about the trip to The S TcitorGesiersi Have you scan Moore since the 8011 i
Brittany. I did not say that I could not recollect anything May 4—Witness I have not Seen him to speak to htm. Teat
about it lie said I must have a mark upon my head, and be I positively swear.
could not it ail It. The tut morning we had • hairdresser , Ihe Solieltor1; mend : Clow came you now, not having seen
and the mark was bound. I swear I did not any that I could Moore to .peak to, to have changed Your view from its being
recollect nothing abut the town. I cowered some ol his in 1,145, when you were at your uncle's funeral, Co Its being
questions, and he acknowledged the answers to be correct. at Upton In 1838 I—Witneas: lam not aware that I have
I knew the Abbe Saline very well. I believe he was Lady changed.
richborne's c 'Messer. I believe I confessed to him. The S dicttot,Geberal proceeded to reed an extract from
The Solicitor-General : Will yon swear that In confessed the examluatioe-luchiet by Mr. thtteril, and repeated his
to hint? Witness I don't think that is • proper mutation. question.
Solicitor.thiutral; Ido not ask you about shot you Witnem I did not mean to Imply that it was on that
said.—Witness :If you did, It would be all the same. I have occasion.
contested to lois of priests. 'lhe Solicitor General Had you done anything about your
The tioliciterCieneral : Well, tell me the names of some of setou or about your shoulder at that time l'—Witness . No
tune—Witness I will not answer that glean°. The Sollattor.fieneral --What made you say that on that
The Lord Chief Justice the what grouuds I—Witness On occasion you hod something done to your shoulder? What
deem grounds, other occasion was lit your mind 7—Witness : I don't knoW
The Laid Chief Justith : You too Imbed to mistier that, there was auything. I did not understand Mr. (Laud,
Witness, I will hive lOU tile name of One that is dead, Si. and lt ii Unruh more difficult to understand you.
you can't call hint. Itsuebt, The General •We shall get on much better If you
The b-licitorAieneral What roesuitg has that in your yhttain from this Have you loth Aimee !—Witueus ND.
mind t—Vi Bums Do you think lam goleg to expose tho Toe Sollettor4Jeuetel You have seen Mr. Baigeaut
olergy to bo herpomsd at in this ha for an 110 M? It Is Witmen Yea, hut not to epeak about the case,
had enough for me to go through it myself. The u illeitor-treneral : You are mine sure about that?
The Sulicitor.lirneral :In your eialulnatlon some time ago Witness . lam quite positive of that.
you mid you couressed to Eather Saline as far an you eon- Tha kolloltor-lieneral : flow Came the seton upon the
fused to anybody, and now you say you coalesced to Into of ?—Witnem I don't know who put lion.
priests. Which Is true 4—Witness:— lon were then asking fOe siolleitor.General What kind of thing wu It on your
ine previous to 1815, but I heave lived sloe° then. I cannot t—Witness: Threads of silk or worsted.
give you the name of any other clergyman that I coufemed The n Mellor-General: What happened to them t—Wit-
to I suppose I have forgotten them. nes.: They Were left on.
The Solicitor-General I Old not catch the mime of the Tie S : Was anything done to them —Wit-
Clergyman you confessed to who Is dead. —Witness : Then feces: I don't follow you.
perhaps you can do without It now. Ills mono was Thlett. The riolteltor-Ueneral Were they passed through the flesh
He wee the priest at Tichborne. The witness spalt the name in: left alone 7—Witness : Yes. They were left itlOh• tor
or ma mother's relation, Bremen& some time, and ultimately were taken our.
Toe Solicitor General Will you swear It was not spelled The Solicitor-General Was anything done to them —Wit.
With an "1" Instead of an " e"?—Wttadns : You can smell it noes lem not awere that anything woe done.
which way you like. Ido not know which Is entree'. Thu SulleltOr.Gonoral Nothing to keep the setou op.:l—
Solicitor-General Will you swear that they were any Witness I don't. remember. It wee taken out after • time.
relations, near or remote to your mother P—Witnem We It was pulled up In tie morning or pulled down.
were related tbro,gh the Plowdens. Toe Solicitor-General : Who pulled It down I—Yfittiegi
The Solicitor-Gmeral : Were they not relations through Generally the maids in the house.
your father, and not your mother I—Witness I have not The Solicitor General : Where at 7—W Mama At Parts.

sb n—cd

se;Ztei

The Solicitor-General And who at Upton I—Witnas• I
ore% recoiled.
The Solicitor-general : how was it closed up, and when
-IV Rues, : I really don't remember
The Sollcitor-General : Wharo I—Witness : I don't warn.
or where.
The Solicitor-General : With whom were you staying when
was dos"' up/—Witness I don t remember.
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The Senator-General : You gave me the date, Oarl'S you
remember she fact 9—Witness: No, I don't remember.
The SolicltoreGeneral : What effect had the melon on your
arm l—Witness : It relieved me from spasms.
The Solicitor-General What spasms were you suffering
from I—Wlttless : In the chest, near the heart.
The Solicitor-GenerM: And Me relieved you I—Witnees
believe It did.
The Solicitor-General Can't you tell me under what chi-
cunistances It was healed up I—Witness : No ; I have no re.
collection when It was healed up.
7he Sollator-General You gave me the elate it waa put In.
llow long was it int—Witness: I have no recollection how
long It amain.
The Solicitor General Surely you can tell me that 9—Wit-
ness: It was kept open several month..
The Solicitor.Generel : Who advised its bang dosed up I
Witness : I cannot tell you who advised It.
The Solicitor-General Would It surprise you to learn that
the real Roger Charles Tichborne hail • sore not on his
shoulder but in hie arm, that It was kept open with palm
covered over with • piece of silver, and that ending the arm
waited from being kept open, lady Tichborn• bad It closed
up 4—Wlineas : It etas not surprise me to hear you say so.
The tiollator-General : Well, was it eel—Witness: No ; It
Is fate.
The Solicitor General : Well, that Is a categorical answer.
The &elicitor-General: Than idler the funeral of Mr. M.
Tichborse you went back to Stoney hunt I—Witness: Tee;
but lam uuder the impression that we went to Upton first.
The Solicitor-Cieneral : Before you went to Stoneyhurst did
you go to confeastou with anybody : I don't
recollect
The Solicitor-General: Cannot you remember whether you
went to confession by your father's desire No, I
cannot-
Tbe Solicitor General : Cannot you remember the name of
any clergyman with whom you were modeled at the time
bealdes lir. Brindle, to whom we will oome presently 9
%%tau : I don't remember doing so.
The Soncitor.General : DM you go to London or not 1—
Witness: I have no recollection of it.
Tee SolicitorGec end : led you ever either at that time or
any other know any clergyman tel London. lid you pay •
rellgicaa Matt to any clergymen I—Witeem Yes, I think on
several occasions.
The Solicitor General Who—give me hie name I—W (Dieu :
I cannot remember at Ude distance of time.
l'he Solicitor General: Cannot you give me one name—a
living name, became, an you meld yesterday, I ammoi call a
dead mati I—Witeesa : I knew several, but! don't remember
, their names.
Ihe Senator-General: Could you not not give me one
Dame—Christi= Or surname 4—Witness I used to Meet MIO
ot the fathers at Grove II ate.
The Solicitor-General That was attaz Mr H. Tichborne%
death I—Witness: Yes,
The Solicitor-General: Give me the name of the ether
Witness : I don't remember. I have no recollection cf it.
The Solicitor-General : Did you ge to several I—Witneill
hews no doubt I did.
The Senator-General: Give mu one name, Christine or
surname, or place, north, south, east, or Wed of London—
one. Try—What do you say ?—Wiltwess I say nothing.
Tee Solicltor-General Are you going to answer me or not?
—Witness: No, I have given you my answer.
The Sollcitor•General: Did you ever go to • church of your
religion In London. I mean before you went to Seeneyhurlit I
—Witness: No; I have no recollection.
The Seelicitor-iieneral : Have you any doubt you went to a
Roman Catholic church I—Witness No; I have no doubt.
The Sollcitor.Gsuaral Could you net favour me with the
113.13.aed s.tunticucltleecTiiu,.k7 34,owte ore fint SO very
mney.—Witnees : I have no recollection of going at all.
Tee Solicit., General: Did you ever RO to the cathedral
over here (St. George'e, tionthwarlo4—Witnese : Probably I
Tars Sollcitor-General: hut cannot yen tell me. That Is
rather an unusual kind of building I—Witness : I am trying
to remember, hut I e inset
The Solicitor-General: Or Farm-street : I don't
think Farm street was In existence then.
The Solicitor General : Did you ever go to a foreign Roman
esthetic chapel in London 4—Witness: Yea; the French
Chapel in Spanish-place.
The Solielter•Geueral When 4—Witneee : Oh, several years

since.
The Solicitor-Gereral No. I mean when you were a lad
of 157—WItnee• No I have no recollection.
The Solicitor General la it to your notion that the chapel
of the French Embawy is In Spanish-place I—Wituess : I did
not say the chapel ot the French F.nibassy.
The Solicitor. General le there a French chapel there 7--
Witness : lem not •ay log that there is a French chapel in
Sprnis'.-place. I was under that impression.
rite So icitorlietural Would you be very much surprieed
to hear that Sir James Tichborne took Roger Curtis riche
borne to the Abbe Tourael, at the chapel of the French Em -
balmy, and that he was extremely surprised to fled that he
did uct know enough English to confers in that language
to him—what do you say to that 7—Witnese : I never denied
It.
The Solicnor-Gegeral : —ls It true !—Witness : I have no
recollection of It. It might be true.
The Solicitorrtieneral repeated the lut question but one.
Mr. Sergeant Ballantine : I most °bidet Mylearned friend
Is assuming that the question is founded on a fact which hail
not teen proved, and I venture to ask your lordships
whether it can be put in that form.
Ills L-rdshtp It may be a question for hereafter, laying
the foundation of evidence. In all these cease the quertion
aaaoees Clint such a fact will be proved.
The Solicitor. (Deere! : Surely the form need not be ob-
jected to if the substance of the question I. not objection-
able.
Mr. Serjeant : I submit that the Solicnor-General
Is not entitled to assume anything which has not been proved
In evidence.
Ills Lordship :He Li entitled to put a question in a certain
form if he intends to call evidence to prove it hereafter.
The Foreman of the Jury: We apprehend that it will be
proved. The Jury are not minted by it.
The SollcitorGeneral to the witness, If the fact were
so, you can hardly have forgotten that It was made a matter
of great annoyance between Sir Jame. Tichborne and Your-
self that you could not go through your conlesalon in Eng.
Mr. Serjeant Billantine Now that is aseuming a fed,
and leads to the kind of retaliation on the part of the
claimant which we so much regret.
The Selleiter-Generat : I put it to your lordship whether it
Is not the practice of crou-examinlLg counsel to put qua
-
lions In such a form.
The Foreman of the Jary : The jury hope that the time of
the Court will not be taken up by there quibbles.
Ills Lordship The Solicitor-General Is not entitled to say
'1 am going to prove thin," hot he is entitb d to say,
"Surely you can remember," and such an expression ill to be
regarded as an intimation that the auum pHon will be proved
In evidence.
The Solicitor-General: I should not put ouch questions
except upon instructions.
Mr. Serjeant Ballantine : No one supposes that you do, but
your inetructions may be incorrect.
The Solicitor-General Do you remember being In London
at all at the time i—Witness: No.
Tile Sllieltor-Uoueral Do you know Lord and Lady
Camoys?—Witness I don't remember.
Toe Solicitor-General : Did you know any of the ion, of
Lord and Lady Cam oys at the time •:—Wlidnetu : 1 don't re-
member.
Inc Solicitor-General Could yen talk English In 18 1—
Wituess : Very little
The solicitor-G.oml : Do you recollect going to spend
some hours at Um house of Lord Camoye at tee time?—
Wither. I don't remember.
Toe Sdicttor flatland : Do you remember what language
woe spoken at Lord and Lady Camoy's house at the time
%Innen I don't remember.
Toe Solicitor. General Now you went to Stonyhunt with
Father Brindle, I think you say I—Witness
The Solicitor-bleneral : Did your father go to Stoney
burst with you I—Witnese No, my father remained at
Upton.
The Solicitor-General: There can be no doubt about that I
—Witnese I believe not.
The Solicitor-General. Von must remember whether you
went with Mr. Tlehboree or not?—Witnees . I don't re-
member.
The solicitor-General Don't you remember going to col-
lege —Witnen: I can't say positively.
The Solicitor-General Cannot you tell on for owtain as to
whether your father went with you l—Witnese I am abso
lutely certain that he did not.
The Solicitor-General Whose handwriting Is that (hand-
ing a letter) 7—Witness : Mr. Henry Denby Seymour's.
The Solicitor-General Rave you any doubt f—Ylltneal
That Is my belief.
The Solicitor-General Would it surprise you to ilnd that
it Is not Mr. Henry Denby Seymour's writing, but your
grandfather's, and that the letter mentioned that Mr. Itch-
borne •nd linger went that morning to litoneyhrint 9—Wit-
ness That did not say he went all the way.
The Solicitor-General Did your father go with you or re-
main behind 7—Witness: My father remained at Upton Be
did not go with me.
The Solicitor-General: Are you certain that Father Brindle
did 7—Witness: Yes.
The Solicitor-Oeneral : Are you certain whether Father
Brindle went with you wnen you nut went to college 7—Wit-
ness : I believe so, but I will not swear.
The Solicitor-General : Do you doubt, or are you certain
—Witnese I am certain. My Arm belief le that Father
hAndle did, and that my father did not.
The Solicitor General When you got to flteneyhurst who
received you I—Witness : Father Venable, I think, or some
such name.
The Solieltor-Geperal then quoted from the examination
before Mr. Emmen, in which the plaintiff etated that he did
not know the name of the principal, or the Latin master, or
other mutes, or of any person In his deer, or of the coons
of his W.A.. On the name of Father Walmsley being men-
tioned witness remarked that he meant Walmaley when he
said % enable.

The Solicitor-General You said In your evidence In
Chancery that you could not recollect the names at Stoney--
hunk but that the other day you were talking of the whole.
What do you mean by that expression
Witted : Really I have not the alighted Idea.
The Solicitor-General . Did you refer to _Mr. Idordel—Wd-
oda . I think not.

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The Solicitor-General . Are you certain I—Witnais I am
not certain at all.
The M licitor.Genersi Did not Mr. Norris get from Lady
Tichhorne for you a list of all the fathers of Btoneyhorst
—Witness I thick not.
The Solicitor. General : Will you go forther ?—Witnees : I
think I might.
The Solicitor-General: Da you know Mr. Norris's hand-
writing/ —Witness 1 think I should.
The SolichorCeneral . Do you mean to say Mr. Norris did
not procure • list of the fathers of Stoneyheirst College from
1844 to 1819; Mr. Norris being Lady Tichbornel attorney P
Wieneu I don't believe it happened. I belie,* it in • great
scandal on biz Norris, and an Imputation on Mr. Noland.

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tommel, It was continued thue
The Solicitor General You are Lady Tlchhorne's executor ?
—Witness Yes at least, I really don't know.
The SolisitonGeneral Have yon anted as Lady Tlctiborne's
executor 7—Witness . I hardly know what the duties or as
executor are. I took possession of her papers and atterwards
delivered them over to an executor, and among the docu-
ments were my own letters from which they have croau
examined me That chows that I wanted to km,' nothing
unfair. Mr Holmes must say whether he sent the Hat of
Jesuit Fathers to Mr. Nord.. I have no recollection of having
seen the liat. I won't swear It. I believe II Mr. If olmes had
it he would not have allowed me to see it.

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ROME, FOREIGN, AND COLONIAL
ONE OP Tow 13nown'8 SCHOOL-DAPS. The
day he lectured the House for adjourning over the
Derby. —Punch.
A FAITHFUL boo. —On Monday an inqueat
wa.l held at Clapham touching the death of Mr. Charles
Mappelsome, aged thirtiptwo years. The deceased
was a surgeon, and on Friday evening he returned to
hia home in good spirits after having been to %lit some
friends. At half-past eleven o'clock he said, "1 will
give the dog a run on the common, as be has not been out all day." Ile then left the home, accompanied by
a large black dog, and he was never Keen alive after. A
p011...m.114%We said that • little after twelve o'clock
on Saturday morning he saw the deceased lying dead
upon the gram on Claphatmcommon. He was upon
he back, and a large black d, g was sitting by the side
of his body looking into his face. The witness went
up to him and the dog flew at the witness als he was
about to touch the body. Soon after a policeman came
no, and they mauaged to get the dog away, while wit.
nets went for a doctor. The dog would net allow them
to search the body to get letters or pisFari ; but wile
note read on the dog's collar, " Onarlet Alapplanime,
Brunswick-villa," and the police then carried the
body, followed by the dog, to that addreas. Dr. Lock,
police surgeon, said that the deceased died from &man
of the heart after running on Clapham-counnon. The
jury returned a verdict of "Found dead on Clapham.
common."

The Nolicito-r-Gen-erfl On- the 20th oi July, 107, you
wrote te Ledy Tichborne .—" lly dear Maina,—l did not go
yeaterday as I expected. I was surprised to hear that you
was at Mr. Norris', If I had known that I would have been
there to. I was just clue by, and shell be In London all day
SO-morrow preparing for my examination on tneeday, so that
I an strobe my deer mama,l shall not see you WI tuaglay..
Vast'''. list not one or the documents that lon examined
end read I.—Witness I firmly believe I was not all day in
town preparing for any examination. 1 may have stated that
to account for my Debra In town. I think It was not true.
The Solicitor-General Did you mite to Lady Tlcbborne
what was not true ?—Wltness : Very probably. I will most
positively swear I Lever atudled for my examination,
The S ellcltor-General Having read your own letter, dirt
Mr. Norris wait for you till four o'clock and then go with
you to Lincoln', !nu to counsel in consultation t—Witneas
Ido hot remember It. I went once to LllucolnO tun, but I
den irocoliect auy ;nanltatlon. I meant in the letter that
I meat there, but not that I was at the consultation.
The Solicitor-Goner:al You say, "I have last been In con-
sultatlon."—Witness I don't remember being there. I sever
read this list of priests there. At Stonihunt Father Waimea-
ley received me. I don't recollect going over the college with
any one. I was there nearly three year..
The Solicitor-General What happened ton boy When be
first west to Stonyhnrst lan regular rule I—Witness : Do you
mean "fagging?"
The Solhaltor.G anent : No; was any ceremony gone through?
—Witness : I don't remember any,
The Solicitor-General : Not what happened first to every
boy 4—Witness: I don't know what you are alluding to.
The Bolicltor-General We, there a man at Stenyhurst
called "Long Tim' t—Witness Do you mean one of the lay
brothers I Ido not recut tut him. I recollect such a person
elsewhere. I believed there was a person named Waterton
there. I think he was one or the attendants or 'myna's. His
name Is very laminar.
Tt.e Solicitor Genera DM Mr. Eirrae.l Waterton, •
gentleman of fortune In Yorkshire, who sees called "Long
Tom,' receive hoger Tlchborne and take him round the
cadlege t—Witness : I don't remember. I don't know that I
was taken round, but molt likely I wan
The Solicitor. General led you see any relation of yours
there /—Witness I believe I saw the Arundels, Everard, nod
I think John.
The SolictioreGeneral : Did anything pars between you, the
rector. Mr. James Ttchborne, and your relation who wee sent
for I—Witness 1 don't think that my lather waa there. I
do not recollect

INTIRNATIONAL TOAST AND SENTINNNT.—The
health ..f Mr. Darwin and our poor relation, in the
Zoological Gardena and over the water.—Plinch.
Tow " WILLEM 111 "—lt will be recollected
that this eteaniship, laden with a valuable cargo and
with a large number of paserngere on board, caught
fire on the night of the 19th nit., when about twelve
miles off the Isle of Wight and on the commencement
of her voyage an the lint of • line of steamers founded
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Netherlands
odi troopstwGovernmente n
on Holland to es
boardtCompany,ab and
dhnwd rraeiCul *el alry ContracteAda l steam
with
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burning vensel was towed by a Channel steamttig into
Spithead, where she was placed in shoal water and
scuttled. After some days the fire was etiectually
extinguished, and since then the holes opened in the
iron bottom plates of the hull have been plugged up,
steam pumps got on board, and other means taken to
clear the inside of the hull from water. On Sunday
evening the huff was at length thated and moored
for the night in six fathoms of water, the pumps
on board being more than sufficient in power to
ensure the safety of the vessel during the night.
On Monday she was towed into Portsmoutn Har-
bour by Government steamtuge, and berthed tem.
porarily alongside one of the large coal hulks, and
measures were at once taken by Llo,d's agent at Ports-
mouth for clearing out the hull. It is believed that a
considerable lortion of the cargo, and possibly some
portion of the luggage and goods belonging to the pas-
sengers, has escaped the fire, owing to the position of
stowage in the ship's hold.
WHY HOl.B MAN DIE !—A pamphlet with this
title is in circulation. "That Woman may Live,"
angrily grunted a very hard-working man, who hadn't
recovered from giving a cheque for a milliner's big bill.
[Out he has no more die in him than Mr. Punch, and
that very evening desired his handsome wife to get a
new dress for her birthday party. W e /tate such in-
c.oneistency. ] —Punch,
BANKRUPT Puts.—The Bankruptcy Disquali-
fication Bill, which has passed the House of Lords, dire
quallies from sitting or voting in that House every
wpeheorsewaliffoairsbecarome eilquaidbankruted bypat,i.incgtdinengt
tiazerptehee-
Bankruptcy Act ; as to Scotland, a deliverance award.
tug sequestration is to disqualify. The term " peer"
is to include any lord of Parliament. The bill enacts
that "a writ of summons shall not be issued to any
peer" while thus disqualified. The disqualification is
to cease on the bankruptcy being determined either by
its being annulled or the bankrupt being discharged
from his debts by payment or satisfaction, or in the
person " who before or aft kr the passing of this act
tmoodape
pplrey ectoribatdy bp3ret.henstaaltrueteadey
inbalnokrcrue.pt,Tohretobilanl isy
becomes bankrupt, and subsequently succeeds to a
peerage," whose bankruptcy has not determined at
the time of his so succeeding.

The Soilcitor-fleneral: Wu It a matter that you and yore
relatives had repeated eonversations about afterwards ?
Witness I do not recollect; I don't thick there was any
fagging ' at atonyhurst. I never " fagged " I won't ••••I
that there WU not "lagging" The lay brother, did the
work I won't swear at all about "tagging." lam sure I
never' fagged."
The a 'Bettor-General : When you arrived at fitanyhunt,
was your cousin Charles de Bremont, sent for to come to
you, Sir. James Tichhorne, and the riuperlore D you recol-
lect anything then occurring I—Witness: NO, I do not
The Bolicitor.General . 1) d the superior say to your cousin,
"You most teach your cousin finalist)," and he said, "Then
he must teach rue Wrench," and did not the superior tbsn re-
prove him for the sharpness of his answer, and did he not
often afterwards remind you that you got him Into a scrape
the first day you came t—Witness That is what you expected
me to ricollect. Ido not remember It. The cottage. where
I lode. at Stoneyhurst were generally occupied by lay
brother.. I do Lot remember any scholar but one being
there. Sometime.; there was one of the fathers there I
stayed in the cottage, the sec)nd cottage, for fifteen or
eighteen month', and th. I went Into the college. y rooms
were on the left, at the back guadrsagle. IL la over on the
philosopher's side at the back.
The Bolloltor-General : You can Sat me grate sully when
your rooms where (—Witness : On the left.
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The Solicitor. General Is there more than owe quadrangle
Must do you mean by quadrangle F—Wilwase When I said
" quadrangle " I meant the staircase; that wing of the
house.

--17ffe. SaltaitorGeneral : A Stoneyberst man must know
what "quadrangle" meenet—Wiliness Li is part of a
building.
'Foe liolioltor.Oeneral Ito is a door-post. ....Witness: I cm
not going to answer such an Insolent queation.
To the Lord Chief Juatfoe. • quedrangle to part ef a
building.
The Solicitor-General You wire at fiteneyharat three
years. Can you tell me what you mean by a guadrivagle /
Witness I don't know what you mean by it.
The S dlcitor.o eneral Will you tell me what you mean by
it l—Witueas I have already answered the question. I
meant apart of the building that was in the lett wing
The Holicltor•fieneral What sort of a thing was it I—Wit-
nem . It la a shameful waste of time. I decline to enswer
further. Ile is only continuing asking the quention for the
purpose of in/tilting me.

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The Lord Chlef Justice . The question le not at all tn.
snltlog.
The Solicltor-General . What sort of a thing Is tlit—Vflt-
nese : I won't answer your question. (Thle question was
repeated severel limes, but the witnese iemained silent ) In
continuation, he said: I told you I did not know the meaning
of quadrangle. I d not know whether there was more than
one. Ido not recogniee this picture as that of any place I
ever lived In.. .

-.3S;in.Sll othey questions were put to connection with
a tons) hunt, atter which, the 3 Alcitor-Gentral continued—
What wu your college course what lectures did you
attend }-7Witness : Lxtures in Hebrew, Latin, and Ore.

The Solleltor.fieneral I am afraid I cannot tett yoe In
Ilehrew ; but Call you read llebrew now I—Witness .S..t
word. .

The SAlc!tor-General Is there any difference In reading
it from any other language P—Witneu : Difference In
phrases.
The SullcltovGeneral : Did you learn the Hebrew alphabet i
—Witness : I don't remember. I paid very little attention
to any of them. I know I studied Hebrew for tome time.
I have no recollection of the hat letter In the Hebrew
alphabet.
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Tge Solleltor.Geeeral : Cannot you tell ma any mulled
airrerence In we reacting it trom any oilier lananag.
Witness No.

The Solloitor.General CALI you tell ma which way Hebrew
Ii read I—Witness No, I cannot tell you whether it Ls read
from right to left or from left to right.
The Solicitor.eseueral Ind your studio. In Greek go as tar
as the alphahet!—Witness Probably I learnt the Greek
alphabet. I think I read part of verse in the Greek Testa-
meat. I cannot read the alphabet now.
Toe 40110Itor General: Donna (angle Greek work linger in
your memory now 7--.W/1111311. Not one. I Cannot tell what
" and" Is In Greek. I believe DM I got further In Latin
than In anything else. Of course I learnt the alphabet. I
think I could read. I cannot read aline 130 IV I cannot tell
whether I read "Virgil" or "Coeur," or whether " Clew"
Was written In verse or prose. (Laughter.)
The Solloltor.General: Is Clew a Latin writer or a Greek
—Witnese I do not know, bat I think It was Greek.
(Laughter ) I may have heard of a menotruum, but I cannot
tell you what It ha I fancy that I have heard the name
before.

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The Solicitor-General : Would you be surprised that Roger
Charles Tichbone construed a deal of aolar with perfect
propriety . and that a menstruum Is a monthly examina-
tion I—Witness I recollect the word now. I cannot re-
member whether It was at • Ineustruum that I construed
Virg lor Crenir. I have no recollection at all of Virgil. I
have heard of him bull don't Know what he was.

The Solicitor• General ( Was boa statesman, or a general,
or what 'I
—Witness I have no recollection of him, nor of
what be wrote about. I don't know whether be wrote verse
or prose. I cannot any whether the book handed to me
(Virgil) Is one I have seen before.
The Solicitor-General : C yea read time of it I—Wit-
ness : I am not going to attempt it
The Lord Chief Justice : Is it Greek, Latin, or Hebrew 1—
I think it is Greek. ( Laughter
Witness continued I cannot say how far I went In mathe-
matics.

—T-b•-fiolicltor-General : What are mathematics about :what
did you learn /—Wltneu I have no recollection.
The Sollcltor-General Is It the name thing as chemistry /
—W.tness : I won't answer; I have DO recollection.
T A Sollettor.Gmeral : I chemistry a branch of mathe-
matics 4—Witness : Chemistry is • science by itself, I should
think. I cannot say whom I read mathematics with.
The Solicitor-General. Is mathematics a language, or
what? lait Greek, French, Latin? or how la it written?—
Witness : I don't remember.

The Solicltor-General. Elsa Euclid anything to do with
mathematicaf—Witness ; No (Laughter). I have no recol-
lection whether algebra has anything to do with mathe-
matic& You are taktng an advantage of me. I believe I
have read some of Euclid; but I have not the slightest
recedlectio.n.of what it is about.
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Th7-8141WOr:4:1;;;ra" IBTioa ever hear of the Awe'
Bridge ?7V9teerre : I bare no recollection

The Solicitor-General : Where would you look to and the
A.B. Bridge (No mower 1
The Sollcitor-thmeral: Did you ever try to cross It 1
Witness : I have no recollection of pugging over It.
The SolicitJr•General ( Did anybody ever try to help you
over the doses' Bridge 2—Witneu: I have no recollection.
The Solicitor-General: Do you know wherealmuts it U
how far from dtoneyhurst ? (Loud laughter.)—Witneu I
01112 put up with all your Moulting.

The Solicitor General : Can you recollect U by It. Latin
name pone woo. ontl—Witnees : I have no recollection. I
believe that I laarut some chemistry, but I hare no recoUeo•
Uon.

The Solicitor-General : What is chemistry about
nese Chemistry of course. It is about different herb.,
potions, and the construction of medicines.
Toe Solicitor-General Things sold in a chemist's shop)—
Witness : A does of it would do you good. Chemistry, most
undoubtedly, deals with the science cif medicine. I have no
recollection of any book on chemistry that I used. I do not
know whethir acids and alkalies are the same. We used, I
know, to dissolve gold in acids, and then bring It back.
The Solicitor-General: What acid dissolved gold qsickest
—Witness : I csn say. Nitro muriatic dissolved gold.

The Sollettor General Did you learn that at Itoneyhuret
or at St. llmaho diggings I—Witham : At titoneyharet. I
urn not aware that gold is ever used at the diggings. I
learned wmettlipic in W 11136001), but I have no recollection
what kind of phllosophy it WY: 1 hare no recollection of
attending lectures in phydology. It Is about different
features.
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The SalleltogOeneral : No, that is physiognomy. What Ls
physiology Y—Witraeas ; About the formaUon of the head
laugh) Beside deed and Atheridge at the college who taught
me, there was Father Rigby. I cannot say what he tat ght
me.

The Sollcitor-Genersl Did Father Seed teach you a single
page or a single syllable -Witnem: Yea.
ybe sdictior-Genera.l: Was be not professor of Greek
during your whole time l—Witneee I thick not the whole
time. I cannot say what he taught me I will swear he did
teach me, but I cantiot remember what It was.
The Solicitor-General : What sort of s looking man was he?
—Wanes, A light man. I cannot say whether I should
know him at thls distance of time. I should think that he
was ten or fifteen years older than me.
The Solicitor-General: Will Kos swear that during the
whole time you were at Stoney nest there were more than
twenty-eight philosophers in all r—Williess I will not
swear.

The 9.7llcltor.Generel : Will you swear that there were
ever more than thirteen or fourteen at one time 7—Witness .
I won't swear anything at all about It. It Is ridiculous;
there were many more than thirteen or fourteen. Thero
were several more I don't think that I should swear If
have no recollection I said eighty or ninety bemuse that
wen recollection, and I believe now that I was right.

The Sollcitor.lleoeral Did you ever hear of "bandy "'—
Whom. I believe I have the mime In very (miller to me.
I think pert ol the betiding was °ailed " bandy." I cannot
say: but I believe ill.. I believe the word bringe Stone) -
burst recollections with I don't recollect what place It
wee

Toe golieltor.General Would It surprise you to find that
i• bandy " was a game played by the philosophers at Stoney-
burst, and In which Roger wu a proficient I—Witaass
was not a proficient at It I don't reeollect It now ; not
oorrect enough to speak about It.
She further bearing of the ease wee the. adlourned.

The hearing of the cane was again nnumed on Wed-
nesday morning, when the croon-examination of the
claimant was continued, chiefly In connection with
the incidents at Stoneyburirt during his school days
and with his visit to Burton Countable, but our
limited space prevents na from giving more than we
have already done of the claimant's evidence in detail,

Advice. from Australia say that there is again a
report that traces of the Ill.fated expedition of laichardt
have been discovered A white man, It la said, wee men
among the C.roper's Creek blacks. Some Queensland police
officers were sent to verify the truth of these reports, and,
having retched Cooper's Creek, were directed by the native.
to • water hole, near which the remains of three human
skelekms were found. The circumstances ef the bones being
unburied is In favour of the presumption that they belonged
to White men, alit Is the invariable custom of the natives to
bury their dead. tile evidence is considered to render it
almost certain that the remain, are in reality these of some
of Letchardt's party. The story of the solitary white survivor
Ia 'apposed to have originated in an aboriginal superstition.

CRUEL AILUSEXENT.—There is much talk of
a certain Battle of Dorking. Surely the mutest to
named is illegal. Is not the "Battle of Dorking" a
Cock•fight -Punch.

CANDIDATES IOR THZ LAW.—The Law Tiao's
Ray I--
" The enormous Influx Into the legal protection le positively
becoming S source of alvtn. We understurd that upwards
of 290 candidates went up at the last preliminary examination
for solicitors; that 290 went In for their intermediate, and
190 for their heal, on the lad occasions Whilst, as concerns
the bar, on the eth Met , Lincoln's-inn called 21 men; the
inner Temple, 70; the Diddle Temple, 21 ; and Grays-inn,
—total, 77 Ihe Increase in the number of attorneys Is, we
are Informed, causing a fail in the value of clerkships As
for the bar, we eau add little to what we have said already.
I! Men will rush upon a career which Is full of unoertatnty
and risk, and which exhibit@ to a nwj )rit the certainty of
failure, the matter Is beyond controL"

Tax GoBELINS.—The Journal (Ulieil a..sares
the public that the destruction of the GJbelins has not
been eo extoneive a, had been apprehended. Only a
mall portion of the buildings has been burnt, and
work has already been resumed in the parts which have
been spared. Even in those rooms which have been
destroyed not all the works of art have been lost, and
especially the "Dead Christ" after Philippe de Chain.
pagne, and the portrait of LDUIS XIV., after nigault,
have been saved. The collection of ancient patterns
has also been preserved.

PROTECTING PEAS FROM BIRDS.—A writer in
The Gavkners' Magazine says :
"i have teed nearly every tcheme to keep the blTis from
nibbling pest that are jut coming through the toll, but only
two plane answer. The first Is dusting the foliage wnli
pepper, and the second Is placing an effigy of a cat among the
rows, and then shifting It npw and then, the birds ditappear
like magic before the cat, If It Is moved about occasionally..
IIEROISM ITS OWN REWARD —Joseph Allen, in
the service of Meagre. Groves and Wane bre werd, in
giving evidence at the Salford Police-court, in regard
to the rescue of a woman who attempted to osmmit
suicide by throwing herself into the Irwell on Mon lay
morning stated that during the peat six years
he had rescued 27 persona from drowning at that
place, and hod taken out of the water three
dead bodies. In reply to Sir John Mantel!, the witness
said he had received rewards from the Royal Humane
Society to the amount of about ros. Sir John ordered
the witness's name and address to be recorded, with a
view to mentioning his conduct to the mayor.
MtislcAL Mism.—Mrs. Malaprop paid her first
vilit to the Enternational Exhibition last week, and
had the ph asure of hearing the band of the Honourable
Distillery Company.—Punch.

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11ARVeST ritOSPECTSI.—The Mark-hint Erpr.s
care
'The fluctuations of last week again threaten to retard the
harvest. With a good three months yet to be provided for,
mattera are not very satisfactory. Grass Is bad, fruit worse,
and wheat must run short. lin and straw in many places
are nearly used up, and, should, large demand from France
for wheat return, It might be difficult to meet It without
sending up prices lit, true that millers hesitate to mate
purchases at the present price, and the holiday :haracter of
the time has let down values in some places ls per quarter.
Bet hesitation dose not increase stock ; moreover, the Baltic
though further on in the season, thew, no signs of relenting,
but ilnds customers among neighbours, so that it may be an
error to think London We. ruling market.

" ENouso LuxuaY."---France is to have it
now. An Income Tax is slaked. —Pu:lch..
THE " INTEBELTIONAL."— The Journal ,1, 3
Debatd, after referring to the resolutions passed at a lie.
publican meeting in London, to the effect that the total).
lished Governments of Europe, and not the Commune
of Paris, were responsible for the destruction which
has befallen the latter city, quotes from an organ of
the Internationale, published at Zalich, the Tag "well,
a reeolntion passed by the members of the soc:ety at
that place, declaring that the conduct of the Praia
Commitniata was just and noble. The Tay'inacht
add,:—
'lt corrupted army has gain.' • triumph over the dead
bodies of Social Republicans and the smoking ruins of Paris
In order to obtain • respite for the old rotten form of xociety.
It will be but • short delay afforded to oppreasion, Injustice
and immorality, and what Ls now happening ls but a presegii
of the tempests which are to come."

" ENTERING THE SOCIAL CIRCLE." - Aialcing
the first cut into a Round of Beef.—Punch.
WESLEYAN CHAPEL-BIIILDING.—The annual
meeting of the Wesleyan Metropolitan Chap .•
building Fund was held on Tuesday evening at City-
road Wesleyan Chapel, London, the chair being occu•
pied by Sir Francis Lycett. The secretary, the Rev.
Gervase Smith, read the report, which stated that the
chairman offered some time ago to give a sum of
£lO,OOO towards the objects of the fund if a similar mm
could be meowed from other friends. At the last Con.
ference he further proposed to give during the next
nine years CM ,000 if provincial friends would contd.
bute the same amount, in order to build 50 chapela.
each capable of accommodating 1,000 persons in the
neighbourhood of the metropolis. It 'was stated that
the stibecriptioms already received amounted to nearly
£25,000. The meeting was addressed by the Rev.,
W. 0. S111.1)000, T. Stephenson, S. Coley, Mr,
M'Arthur, M. P., and other gentlemen ; and terminated
with a vote of flacks to the chairman.

A PENALTY or YANK —The remains of the
Italian patriot, poet, and scholar, Ugo 10, were
last week exhumed at Chiswick churchyard- The
Italian Minister, the Commendatore Cadorna, the
Commissioner dignor Bargeni, the attaches to the exec,
barmy, and all the most diatinged4hed Itallene in
London, together with many English gentlemen, as.
sembled round the grave, A canvas screen encircled
the company; two flags, one the Italian, and the other
I he English Union Jack hung overhead. After the
earth had been cleared away and the coffin wholly on.
covered, ropes were placed beneath it, and thue, after
44 years of interment, it was brought up again. The
screws being removed, the lid was d, but the re.
maims were not yet seen, being incloded by an inner
shell. This was opened, and found to be filled up with
sawdust, which having been brushed away, disclosed
the body of Ugo Foscolo. The form was intact, and
, the feataree stall perfect. At the foot of the grave
stood the doctor who had attended the great Italian in
his last hours, and also the hairdresser who used Mehavo
him; and they at once simultaneously exclaimed,
"That's the man !" The whiskers, peculiar in ahape,
which Ugo Foecolo wore in his lifetime, were still there,
Ilia skin, which was DOW of a pale gray colour, re.
retained =shrunken, and effec,uelly hid ell treess of
the skeleton, the pores and textures being also unin-
jured. With the view of making a historical painting,
Signor Caldesi took • photograph of the body as it lay
in its coffin, and of the 'surrounding assemblage, after
which the Italian minister deliver an eloquent oration.
Signor Bargoni followed. The &fin was closed again,
and, being bound round, waa officially sealed lay the
Italian Minister, to await the arrival of a vessel from
Italy—already on the way—to be removed to its last
resting place. The Secretary to the Italian Consulate,
Signor Burslecoli, was present, and took apexes verbal
of the whole of the proceedings, to be forwarded to his
Government.—On Monday evening the coffin was con-
veyed from Chiswick churchyard to Charing•cansh and
theme to Dover, for shipment to Italy.