The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1871-11-11 00:00:00

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not Intend to say too much at present ?—I have no recollec-
tion of it. or of what I did say to him. Many people acted
me about it. I have no recollection of the man or of what
paused.

The Lonl Chief Juitice : If you were asked whether you
lutd Inuidered yuur father, you a oultl say No," not that
7.11 hal no recollectu,n.

The Attorney.lleneral : I have no recollection of the el,
cunt dance, and tneref ;we cannot swear. I do not recollect
anything whatever that passed. My memory is a perfect

esamined : I have no document whatever in reference
to the voyage except those produced.
Bove you supplied the plaintiff with any record of that
voyage -None whatever. I have not given any inforomti.,e
Si hatever I. create knowledge in the plalntina mMd upon
the 'subject.

The Lord Chid Justice lie has supplied no information
since thiscase began ; but he scut Information to Mr. hlos-
. ford and Lady Tichborne at the time.
Witisess I went h. Mr. lAilllogton In consequence of a
letter Iree,ived. At the time I had not seen the claimant.
The first times I bad seen the plaintiff since his return were
at Essex Lodge and the Law Institution. I was with Whicher
for two days st, log to ace tht plaiutilf. I gave up my disry
to Mr. Cullington, who requested me to give up all the
papers I hal I
went to the Law Institution ii. ColoW4lllolCo
of a letter from Mr. l'ullington, who was concerned for the
fannly I had no discontent or lit feeling against Mr. tolling-
ton of any kind. I noticed plaintiff for two dm s. I came to no
conclusion the first day. The second day I went by the advice
of Lady Doughty, and I came to the conclusion that he must
be Roger Tichborne. On arriving at the conclusion I COM-
municated with the family. I took a cab to go to Lady
Doughty, but not finding her I stated soy epinion to Mr.
Sansom. Next day 1 NM Lady Doughty, and afterwards
Mr. Cullington, Lord Arundell, and others.
You were asked whether Mr. Talbot said you were drunk
were you drunk r -I might have been liable to the charge.
There WIN no other charge against me. I went into Mrs.
Roskells service fourteen months ago. Down to that time 1
had Tirade no communication to the plaintiffs friends. I be-
came a witness in COII6eIIIIOICU of a communication from
Baxter, Rise, and Norton, though Mr. Roskrifs son. I never
off reed any evidence in any way. I felt I never could do so.
I never offered any evidence. I mid I would riot go near
Baxter, Rose, and Niston. I received a letter from the
plaintiff on the 24 t h January in the present year, and then I
went From that moment to the prwicat Mine I have nes Cr
been a itli the lilaintiff aloue.

Here is the plaiutilts letter, January 2lst, :—"Moore,
—I have heard from Mr. Spottorth that II! wrote to you you
would come and see me. I uow do no, and shall feel obliged
II you will call on nie here on Tuesday next at twelve
o'clock."

IVltness: I went in cdiseimenee of the letter, and when I
pit there Mr. spilt. rth Wtid present, and lie has limn present
on every interview I have had with the plaintiff. I never on
any occasion furnished the plaintiff with any information so
as to give lam knowledge in reference to this ease. What-
ever I wrote in reference to the daguerreotypes of Sir. It.
Tichburne, icy impression still Is that he did not know of
their being taken
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The Lord Chief Justice : Yesterday you said you supposed
the letters tinlat be correct. Du yoU wean to alter that, or
adhere to it?

W [tile ss : My impression h that he did not know they were
taken.

The Foreman of the Jury said that they had some questions
to ask in reference to the photographs ; and in answer to
theno the witness said

I believe three copie, were taken. One was sent to Lady
Doughty, which she said she never reeived ; tole to Lady or
sir James 'Fichborue ; and elle the artist gave to me as being
an interior one. I paid tor the two ten dollars each.

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Were the photographs shown in court copies of those
daguerrotypes only saw one of them. This one hinokil
to we (the one hi the ease) is the one I soil to Tiehhorne
House. The other in the frame is the one I brought from
Chili with me. They Welt both done at the same thee.
Explain how the difference Is the dress occurs My lin-
presso ui Is that he must have felt warm and open.l his waist•
coat. The waistcoat is thrown back out of sight. one has
the waistcoat closed, and in the other the waistcoat is out of
tight. Ile wore a light drill—a CallVass waistcoat. That is
the only way! eau account for one figure having a waistcoat
and the other none.

To the LOrli Chief Justice : lie might have had a white or
I figured shirt.
ene I can trace lines on the other not. had he such
shirts —lle might have had. Ile had such shirts, as the
washerwoman could—

I,uk at the photographs:—lt looks like a plain It hits
shirt.

Is there any trace of a waistcoat in the photograph in the
ease ; except that there is a fold, which may be the
waistcoat doubled back.

A Juryman, in answer to his Lordship, said that he saw the
lines distinctly, but reminded his Lordship that he would tind
the matter fully discussed at iaage 1,297.

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TI, e Lord Chief Justice Can attyloody produce the third
daguerreotype ?
Witness Lady Doughty said he never received it.
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The Lord Chief Justice, after a minute esaminatbon of the
diary, said that an observation of the Attorney-I;eneral in
reference to some entries on the ci and 4th January which
was unfavourable to the book he did not now consider to be
Well founded.

The Attorney-General was sorry to hear that he should
have still to make tonic observations upon it.
The witness was then questioned as to all entry in pencil
f ((tenon! " fish-hook" which had been inserted and he
said that the book could not be relcd upon es showing that
certain things occurred on certain dates. As to the albatrosa
story, he said that there were (tine or four albatrosses
caught, line they put a lot of niedals on, and Sent it adrift.
It had three .d four medals on when they might it. Very
probably that it as not mentioned in the diary.
The next w UM, was Sir. George Elm:ley. Norfolk.
street, Strand, who said I was in South America about
forty years. I visded at Santiago frequently. I Nsit there
ill l;;.4 alai stay,l it bv,..:11,01 Huta I Was
there nearly tile whole of (lose two years. In 1552 I rent?.
met perfectly an Englishman named Tiehborne arriving, lie
had an attendant, lie put up at the Hotel. I saw him
daily, and dined at the same (aide. I saw him also fee'
inertly during the day. IM WM there I think more
than a week, but less than a fortnight. I took particular
notice of hint. it was remarked by the people of the house
that I fixed my attention upon him. I heard him fre-
quently converse. Ile talked with Mr. Kam, a German
gentleman, lin Remington, and Mr. Elaby. The latter after-
wards established Memel( ass daguerreotypist. There was a
pel'llliarity ill Mr. TiCIIIIOIIIIC./1 pronounciation. In aords
with the letter "r" he gave the sound " w." I saw Mr.
Tiebborne at Santiago some months afterwards; hut then
saw very little of hin. becanse I then had lily own apart-
ment, and did not go to the dining table.
(lave you ever teen Me. Tiehborne io own
Is, 'time at Edghaston, Warwickshire. It was the 2lst June,
ISkS, Ile Caine to we to be identified. I have received a
communication flout Mr. Holmes, Mr. Tichborne eanw
alone. 1 wai ems:ding a communication from Mr. Holmes,
but instead Sir It. Tichborne came. I talked with him for
more titan an hour. At first I did lit him—not fvr
a few St1,1141:1. I hall not a full command of his nitlithunk,
at first. Ilia back was to the light. I recognised hint by Ms
countenance out gent rat expression and manner I.llly. I
tested him by asking luji,m as to Lk recollection of localities,
and prisons ((mail seen him with.
What was the result Was satisfied he was the same in-
dividual.

11 aye you any doubt t—None whatever.
Cross-examined Ile 18 so Immensely increased that I
should not have known hint.

Are his features changed ?—Most of our features change in
Is years. The human face changes in time. There ittt, the
perfect trace of his countenance fixed when I saw hits. I
don't think I ever spate toltim at Santiago, though we 41ined
at the WI, d'hrde. I have beard him talking with English-
men. I saw him talking with Frenchmen. They talked
French. I don't recollect him talking Spanish.
Mr. Joseph Mantten t I ant librarian at the Westminster
Hospital. I have been ten years. I was formerly sergeant-
major in the 6th Dragoon (Wards. I left the service in WO.
I recollect Mr. It. Tichborne going to Portobello Itarmcks.
I was a private then. I saw hint frequently. We welt to
.shir, and there I became lance corporal. I was attached to
his company. We were at lonmel nearly a year, anti I MAW
hits pretty near daily whilst he was there. I saw a report
of this ease in the papers, and made a communication to the
plaintiff, and saw hint at croydon. We talked for an hour
about the affairs of former days. Most the commencement
of the trial I saw hits again iu Victoria-street, and talked
with him.

Have you formed any decidvil opinion as to who he
Yea I believe him to be the Roger Tiehborne I knew in the
l'arbineers.

It was then proposed to read the affidavit of Serjeant-Mahir
Court, who had been effiniined in hancery, nit hail not
Peel cross-esandoed, and this do,unlent aas athliitted
Li the same I.l•jeetion as that taken to Lady Tieliburne's
affidavit 80111 C montim ago.

The affidavit was then read. and the deponent in it stated
that he had exceptional 4pp ottinities of seeing Mr. IL Tirh-
borne'', the Carbineers, anjil lie Was positive that the plain-
tiff was the same person.

Mr. William Andrews : I was senior partner in the firm of
William Andrews and Co., of Pall-mall, helmet and aceou-
triment makers. I Joined the lousiness in July, 1525, and
was afterwards In the habit of taking measurement of helmets.
I had ten years' previous experience also. I continued in the
business till Isea, when I retired. I have the order book of
our lino here. In Is-IS there is an entry, but It is in my
brother's srrithrg, Ile is living. I should certainly look at
the entry, and take part in executing it. I remember Mr.
Tlehlmnie perfectly well. I saw him from ISM till he
retired front the army in 1053. 1 1111 m him frequently. I know
he was measured Ira helmet, hut I can't swear I saw him.
Ile came to our shop, so he wroote in 1552, to see the Duke of
Wellington's funend, bet I can't recollect whether he was
there. I have a good memory for faces and persons. I have
seen the claimant, and I have not the least hesitation in de-
claring him to be the same person we fitted salt in ISIO.
remember being introduced to the plaintiff. I met him at
the office of Mr. Spofforth, who inquired how it was that we
had to make him his accoutrements, and my impression WM
that we watched the fiii:i•tte, found out Ida address, and
wr.,to to him. The yolaintiff oinickly corrected me,
and sail it was not to, but that he was brought
in by Greenwood, and on my asking who Greenwood
was. he mid f'olonel Greenwood, a very old customer 4.f nem
in the 2al Life Guards. It then came to my recollection that
it WWI.. At Mr. Spofforth's office I measured the plaintiff's
head aa it would be Inca-mired for a helmet. The nieasure•
ray at wan nls al,. ii, 10P1 snllsii,ssl Sir. 15. 'la:libel He a ilk
helmet of the sloe.

Nir, Nlichael Carroll ; I was formerly a private in the 6th
Dragoon Cool-its, :nal lam now servant to Colonel So Men,
f the :dip Dragoon Guards, which regiment I was rrlso ill. I
wan in the two regiments from 1531 to IMP. I was private
in Mr. It. Tichborne's troop. I am a Catholic, and he marched
the Catholic soldiers to church on Sundays. I knew him well.
I have seen the claimant, and I have no donbt whatever that
he Is the same nine as the Roger Tichhome of the Car.
hiecers. I saw the plaintiff and conversed with him in 1557
and 10k, and it is my judgment he is the same person.
At four o'clock the l'oart again adjourned.
rrhe witnesses were examined and cross-examined at
great length, but our space precludes tla from giving
more than the foregoing outline of the no idencod

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men, but. year -after year by. the executive of the
Council. They were constantly coming .forward as
representatives of the working classes, and using the
influence they acquired in this way for political pur-
poses. It was remarked that they had all seen how
seven men had tried to make capital by pretending to
be able to influence the working classes in the new
political alliance, and the sooner they let it be known
they had no influence the better.
Mr. Canham maintained that the nine hours per
day was the great thing to be achieved mm throughout
the country, and as subscriptions would be wanted pro-
bably for a fund for some trades to fall back upon he
moved " That only a central nine hours league be
elected."

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Mr. Barnes, moved, as an amendment, " That we
form a general trades' council, the main object being
to obtain the nine hours universally."
The amendment was carried by a ver?" lame majority.
A provisional committee was then appointed iron'
the meeting to issue circulars to all the men of the
various trades of London, asking them to appoint dele-
gates to represent them at the council, the other
great objects being to watch over the Interests of
labour generally.
The proceedings closed with a vote of thanks to the
chairman.

caw° the juice of the beetroot (17-20t1ca of Ito weight)
to flow to the factoriea at a probable coat of leas than
one penny per ton per mile.
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I am told that in France this plan is adopted fur a
distance of ten utiles by one lunge sugar factory.
Squeezing of the juice from the rot is so simple
matitpr that it requires but little machinery, and no
sulk-miming by the revenue officer, who only attends
constantly at the central factory, where the machinery
for converting the juice iuto sugar is of the most
costly and complicated description. The pulp to
be returned to the farmer is only me-eighth the weight
of the root, se that he pays 12s. for the pulp of eight
tons of roots, and uses it mixed suith other feeding
stuffs for his cattle.. Dr. Voelcker values it at 30s,
jocr tom

The difficulty of passing a line of underground pipes
through other peoples properties till! probably be met
by Act of Parliament, as it liar been with drainage, under
the late Lord Lincoln's Act ; for, irrevective of the
consent if the owner, the outfall drain pipet may be
carried through any property, even a garden or park,
under condition, of course, of restoration or avoidance
liichunace.

The growth of beet-root tends b, increase the
supply of meat by the consumption of the pulp, mixed
oith othor