The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1864-11-15 00:00:00

tare of this sysbue, that disadvantage will in a great
no sea. be removed. and the promotion of the tear
pond welfare of toy fellow-men, of witch I spate at the
~peoiog of thi. paper, wal I doubt not, toe gre•teatent,
be eff-eted. Again, therefore, gentlemen, thank you.
(A otileues.

im opening the discussion, said the
attention with widish they had liatesed to the lecture,
which they had now beard, evinced not only their rrepect
for the rev. lecturer himself but the importance
thee attached to the subject be had so •b'y dealt
with, and their appreciation of the motives which
he had indicated in tnating the iubjeet Without
going into the question himself at this stage of the din
C 1141.111/, he would beg to say, for the information of
Move genii men who had honoured them •ith their
company to night, but who were not frequently present,
that it wee the eustom of the alub to encourvr free
diecusetoo, ea soon sa the subject had been introduced.
As he hail reason to believe that many gentlemen
present entertained opinions on the subject which was
now before them, he would uk them freely and fully
to favour the club with their sentiments, not only
upon what bad been introdued bat also in furtherance
of the great object the club had 10 view.
The Rev. if. Moats rand the quantity of earth pro-
duced, was capable of receiving lOU uses in clonts,
and at the end of that time would be u inoffensive then
as it was now.

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TM. CH•11111•11 said that, af that warn the OW% might
be a..k Yr. Mottle what need them was for eneplymg
to sash house such a large qwtotity of earth as he had
indicated'

The R v. H. MOULI remarked that in saying each
bona he did not mean to say 12th.. for each, but for
all the various use" which might be required generally.
For instsnee, et urinals at railway stations end for
public places, the lavinp of which as yet, had cot been
thought of. In the town of Nottingham them was •
place used dilly be 2000 persons,which was the noisanos
of ths whole ntighbourbood. so that earth must be
supplied to remedy that nuisanes. He only toads his
aakulatiou of 12165. of earth at • rough estinsate,ao that
he might not be under the mark, and at the same
time include every di/Malty that might occur.
Their Chairman had aired bun • question of
this kind Bypath's 1011 a. of earth were used
ten times what would be the weight of it at the
and of that time? His answer was that the diflereals
in weight would seareely be appreciable, and he would
give this in proof of it. Mr. Jee, the Vice-Chairman
of the Board of Otiardlaas of Bradford, In Wiltshire,
hid taken great interest in thi subject, and applied the
system to a school of 55 children, and be said that at
the oomtneacement, where all was noxious poignancy,
at the end of • week, all IVY • /Ott and whole-
some. Two tons of earth were used by them, and
at the ehd of the six months it was scarcely more than
that quantity. Mr. Jr. reed • paper at a meeting at
B.th on the 'object, and he spoke of two tons having
been sold to farmers in the neighbourhood who had
• 50a, per ton for it. That might give some idea
of it. value, but the result could be told in c.nsequence
of
_the drought in the Roomier.
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Mr. HODons raid, for the purpose of Introducing some
dimusdon on the subject which Mr. Mottle had given
hi. time and attention to it ought be desirable to allude
to the efforts which bad keen made, •nd which might be
clamed among the great problems of the day, for eluci-
dating the be.t mode in which the sewage of towns
could be applied to portioular purposeo and uses The
cionntry had been engaged for nearly 20 years in inves-
Wiring the beat means for sanitary improvement, wad
the drainage of toter had been the great feature, and
than the use of the drainage htd been oonneetel w.th
the subject as a natural consequence. The moult had
bion that scientific research,. on the subject had proved
this—that the extreme dilution of the sewerage was ex-
tremely prejudicial in an agricultural point of view, end
it had attracted the egret.)n of some period wht ther
it could not be prepared no as to become of rah erne
is they knew it intrinsically pressed. Now the theory
which had been propounded by those gentlemen who had
been connected with the dreinag• of towns was this
—that a good system of drainage oottlit not be carried
out without ao thunder supply of water, and the
✓oam at Keret in me in thin town wan connected
with that proms., and the Bushings whir carried
away all the matter, both elere oentitinua en I of •
surface kind, woe necessarily connected with a large
supply of wake for that purpose, in order to convey It
to the place required. Therefore, in the two systems
there we. an ant•gonistia portion set up. The dal.
culties of Mr. Moute's appleation were rather great in
opposition to the systAn which had hitherto been
scrotal; but that enunciated by the rev. gentleman
eel one which would carry with it 20 or 30 times the
value of the present system. Be considered the aretem
now to ue for draintng the town, compared to that one
which bad been introduced and brought forward by Mr.
Moult', was worthy of consideration, and would be
gra,tti to the advsntage of the community.
The CHAIIIK 01 raid, although this subject was not a
new one, yet the tuaoner of dealing with the question
involved mach oonaid«rations which were novel to them,
he thought it teitild not be an inappropriate metood to
pursue, and might be esti-factory to the mind. of the
gentlemen prompt, and would be also willingly re-
sponded to by their excellent lecturer, if in the form of
gnestioas any gentleman would propose anything to Mr.
Moult.. If there was any part of the question which
required further light, Mr. Motile would probably be
able to give it.
Mr. Sarre eaked what wan the difference between
the value of the fertili•ing power of liquid manure,
and the manure prepared by Mr. Mouton system
Ha bad read • little on this matter, and learnt
' that liquid manure lett its value *hen •prlied
by irrigati n ; that waa, it did not contain the
same fertil•ring qualities as faro yatd manure, inasinneh
r 10 Frio yard manure there was • vast quantity of
phosphate of lime, and that was not supplied, in
course of time, by the applioation of sewer manure_
taus land would Lad its deficiency. It hail been leid
down by Liebeg lately, who had been a greet advocate
for the sewage manure, that it woe not quite right to
follow out the systems as he had advocated it. After a
few further remarks on thin subject, Mr. Shout saii he
should enderour to introduce Mr. Moule's earth closets
in houses instead of water clieeta.

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The Lectualta said be had tubed the matter over
with Professor Way, whose ability, he thought, as an
agricultural chemist, was equal to that of the far-
t/km.l Baron Listen, and be said that, looking
into the whole of his statimenta, the Baron
seemed to think that all the phosphate of lime went to
the formation of bones. But lie overlooked the feet
that the same thing must take place in farm yard
manure. The phosphate of lime would in that case
also go to form the bones of cattle. Professor Way,
however, said that he did not think there WY any cor-
rectness in the observation. Liebe( had made. He
(Mr. Mottle) thought that the Talus of liquid manure,
if properly applied, could scaroely be imagined. He
would give an instaace of the erect it had on plants.
Hoorn had many contrivances in his gardens. He had
a small pier of ground, about two yards square,
with pipes opened at the joints, which he filled with
urine. Ile put in three oats and they grew to this I
extent. Prom one seed there came six Walks, which
were an inch in circumference; most of the leaves were I
an inch and a quarter aeries; many of the ears were
twentyerx incr. long, and from that one seed
alone he got 8) grains, whiLt from the whole
of the three pleats, io one you, he gathered tlb. of seed,
this being eotirely owing to the liquid metres used.
He also our put into his rate garden 40 doses broccoli
and savoy plant, on grouted •hiab he knew bad not had
manure for many years. He put them in with 6lba.
weight of earth that had been used five times, and
filler plants could not be seen than they were. He put
the earth in a watering pot, filled it with water, and
Out wir all the manure the reheats hod. He would
give them another inatarioe I its power. His servant
doubted it. efficacy and he put in some celery plants to
expeirimentalir upon, but he used such • quantity of
masers that be burnt them all up.
Mr. Goma said he had listened with A great deal of
Interest to the lecture, and never was one more appro-
priate for a Partners Club. Everibody knew that
they made little enough of their erode*. at the
permit time, and if such a bergs quantity of '
manure, SA that described by Mr. Moale, could
be brought into the market, it 111124 have the
elect of cheapening ihre other manner of which they
had to buy re much. Tim &elm!, people were emeeralt,
believed to be • very shrewd race, but he could not
help thinking it was a greet anomely that they should
Need thousands of miles for emulate when they saw go I
much running to waste In their gowns. He could not
tell whether • trompany would answer to other the I
merge of WWII*, but the dust oast was a very ancient
inetitetion, end it proved adroit arsons to eollect dast and I
rhea He knew that burnt 'she, and clay acted as
deodorisers very well, and his practice Mil been to
carry • cart load of ashes to his labourers closets, mix
their contents with the rhea, and he bad
Wrap found the mixture a very minable
manure. He had made inquiries where earth
closets had been used ou Mr. Moule's principle,
but had ascertained that they heed been thrown out of
nee. and be now wanted to know what was the germ
of their being thrown out of use He sir in freer of
Mr. Lionle's prinesiple,but thought the reason the clowns
had been thrown out of use was more front carkeeteree
than from anything else.
The Leonean said be was mush obliged to Mr.
Geoge for the queetiou. There had bees two or three
*area why his cleeete had gone out of use, which he
attributed to deicer in his original plea and ported
out, but had now been remedied. The greatest draw-
back however was the prejudice and onwillingnam of
servants and others to take the trouble with them
without being remunerated. Hs referred to one or two
insereas shoeing the prejediee that existed airier his
invention, and said that in the town of Wareham, where
the skirts were in use at a school, some preens
were mirkievous enough to stamp the covers
to ;deer They were also in use in the 'drool of a
freed of his in Herefordshire, who told him that for a
time nothing could work better. Lass May his (rioted
wrote and informed him that there had been a death
among the children in the school. The doctor said the
arse of death was dysentery, and he could notlasetibe
the cilll2llo Of it to anything but the earth closets, and
his friend seked him to err down and enewer the
seediest gentlemen. He (Mr. Manic) sent reek to ley
that he supposed the doctor had never heard of their
power, and did not know mesh about sanitary matters.
Tri lecturet then proceeded to say that he went to the
school, and found everything in perfect order connected
with his closets, but on looking shout discovered that
the erre of direr had not malted from his closets
but from drains running in close proximity to the school.
was the prejudice against his invention that he
vrr aware he could not cooper is towns where there was
wok, drainage. but in plasm where the latter system was
Dot adopted, if hie principle was tried it would work
_t and If people would only look at the closets whir.
Mr. White bad, they would see that no more nuisance
cre coral by taking the sod from their houses than
that oserioned by the removal of coal ashes. The die-
admotages whisk he had to contend with, without
row and wittiest time, had been such r poem
could scarcely orwrive, and if • friend had Dot come
forward and helped him he maid not have gone on with
billfr. isalirree said, r he had been alluded to in the
Mature by the rev. gentleman who introduced the
sub*l foe the evening. he felt it incumbent to mike •
few remarks. In the first, place, the goodie* of
realm whether in the liquid form, the diluted form,
or solid form, seemed to he the great eonsideratios,
but he thought they were all Jesse opinion, that
sewage, which had teem diluted with • large questity of
water, berms almost useless, easept is sea s wee et
that rearmed by kir. Merle at Idlabsegin, awl tomes
err bill.. He dtd not brier they meld rake nwe..
nob es tbs. of Loudest appliable is the wet it was