The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1869-07-17 00:00:00

tfikEtliAL PARLIADIENr,

In the noose of Lords. July 12, the Royal Assent eras elven
t,. the Itecorder-D putt.. tOil iii. N
by
aws. Printers. 61.41 Roo.lrn. Root.tb P.. B„elte;
cr`ol,od) Act (len Amendments Bill, the Titles of R. lip
Con.regstions Act Ex,enslon Bill, I num I,IIIIS Bill Beer
Bill, P"blic Parke Parlig te
Chapel Marrlsses 811 l AY), Fsherles Act ,1.58, -uriplement.l
80, otter Ott Nine! Fisher Supplemental Bill, her ad
!Whose Bill, Orders Confirmation Bill, and a number of
privste hills
On the n.
Salaries

priVate

pe the motion to go into committee on the Diplomatic
shries Bill,
Liird ItIOO appealed to the Government to postpone its
oniiiieration. which .1.1, agreed tii.
Gn the motion for the thud reading of the Irish Church

toniid!Jraikon,

I,„rd Clancarty moved, in a lengthy speech, that It he
read that tho three months. Ile NMI there were many rea-
sons spinet it, especially the Coronation Oath and the treaty
and up reasons whatever worth mantra for it.
Lord Lunn, to whom Lord Derby gave way, in an able
gaiden sixech 'imported the hill from a Protestant Wet.-
,hswii point of view and 55 a resident In • district where
the t'sstablished Church was well represented. Ile believed
the all necessary, just, adapted to promote the objects it
'orolessed, and inconformity with the rule to do to others as
ins would they should dote ea He urged the Government
to adhere strictly to the principles of the bill, and he corm
bait, d the proposal to endow the Presbyterian and Romacalhallo n
clergy with glebe houses on the ground that such a
beeeractioh was not desired by those bottles themselves.
Lord Peril' retained all his dislike to the principle, of the
bill, whether as a measure of disestablishment or of Awn-
thametit, and as the alterations in Committee had not
ige,ted the principle of disestablishment at all, and not very
materially that of disendownient, since the property to be
left to the Church would after all not exceed the income of
patty private persons. he shou'd still feel obliged to vote for
hoer,i,,tion of the bill if the motion were pressed. lie M-
elee', however, that a division should not he forced, hut
that ,heresponsilnliki should be tto the House of Commons
of n jectitig the very moderate amendments this House had
nude ad that the eitergiea of the House should he reserved
for Ile rapport of those amendments when the bill should
come i.a.k.
Lord Lyttelton, although he thought the necessity for such
• ines.tue • very painful one, Aloud I support the bid. Ile
denied that there was ail sacrilege in changing the applica-
tion of Church funds For hiniseit he should have preferred
the will harm of concurtent endowment contained in the
Duke of Cleveland's proposal; but it that were not possible
b. aor no objection to the dedication of the surplus to
chanty.
Lora Leitrim supported the amendment. Ile professed
hisserlf unable to understand what wa, meant by "Religious

;.
equality.
The Bishop of Tuam assailed the cheeseparieg parsimony
of the II I, and entreated the conmieration of Parliatueut
and the Government for the waits of the poor Irish clergy, in
n
which class he stated that 681 must be reckoned out of the
total number of Leon
Lord Clencarty withdrew his motion, and the bill was then
read a Miro time
Lent Derby gave notice that he and other Peers intended
en Thursday to lay • Protest on the table of the House against
the bill.
On the question that the bill do pass,
Led Devon moved the omission of 'the reservation in
Clause 13 of the right of present Irish Bishops to retain their
ewe. It was, he represented, a novelty and an anomaly
that the Bishops of a disestablished Church sheold retain
theft seats as bishops The representative character of Irish
Bishops sitting in the Home distinguished their cases from
that of ordinary members of the House.
Lord Reriesdale bailee& the principle on which this House
was (omitted to he that the privilege of a seat, once acquired,
could not be Ist without vett let cause Ois this ground
be oi jected to Lord Devon's atrienduimit. He did not put
the right of the Irish Bishops to sit on the fact that they
were Bishops, but that they had been once Bunanoned. This
was a Peerage, not au Eetatiliehnient, question Ile should
not, however, object to tile onus-ion of words which implied
that these prelates sat as prelates
Led Penulte s. owed that the Bishops sat by virtue of
the Polleeselon of liar -flies: and, the barouies bring de-
eireyed, the right to eft in the 11, ass necessarily followed.
If they continued to sit they would sit by a new tenure
There would he an inter mittent right to sit—that is, a kind
of rotatory life peerage, which would, in course of time,
&emite fixed in certain in. ividuals, and such a right would
be perfectly unprecedented, and be a legislative monster.
The Archbishop of eaeterhury thought the fallacy In Lord
Penance's argument INAS this it did not recognise the fact
that as the re It of present prelates was retained by the Banes
chine which destroy oil the right o Bishops to sit as such, the
destruction of the right was only cenilitionaL It was in-
consistent he believed, with the preservation by the bill of
existin rights to take away the right to a seat in the House.
Besbles, being Mallet,e who had been appointed by the Crown,
resent Bishops defend from future Bishops of the Irish
Church.
Lord de Grey pointed out the parallel case or an English
Iliseop resigning his see, whieb carried with it th loss of his
mat in the House
Lord Cairm saw hut Mlle in Lord Devon's argument that
the retentiori of seats in the lieuse by the Irish Bishops
would be a novel y anti an anemaly. If hi course of time
the Kish. pa themselves deenisel to he relieved from their
attendaece it would t,o a k7itirrent matter.
Lord Carnarvon replied to the Archbigho that the rights
reserved by the bill were rights capah'e of pecuniary com-
pensation, while this right was not. He maintaiiied that the
retehtmn of these seats was contrary to public Interest, as
knew up a came of irritate in, and also to the interest of
the Church itself, which would he prejudiced by removing
wive., particularly at such a crisis, from their dioceses
The Levi Chancellor dwelt OH the tuconststency ce the pro.
rosed right with the usages of the House. The bill die-
established the Church amt dissolved the ecclesiastical
corie rations of the Irish Caurch. It wee contra, yto the
principle on which, according hi Lord Hale, Bishops eat—
via by existent of Parlianient—thet after the disestablish-
ment these Bt-hope Ahmed coetinue to sit.
Oit a divieion the animill meet was carried by 108 to 82.
Some unimportant amendnients by Lord Cairns in Clause
TT were agreed to
Lord Stanhope then moved hi. amendment In Clmtse 28, to
provide residences fed the Iteruan Catholic parish priests
and Presbyterian ministers, and, where not at present exist-
ing, for Protestebt Epise Tanen prelates end clergy The
merit of the pr posal, tie represented, was that it was ter-
teeny uncot ditiohal, and required no negotiation. He
justified it by the authority of Mr. Pitt and Sir
Robert Peel, and as completely in harmony with
the principle of governing Ireland for the Irish.
The Report of the Irish Church Commission showed
that such a gift would he for the benefit of the di.-
established burch, which was at present inadequately pro-
vided with glehe-housee. equally with the other religious
bodies lb Ireland. Hitherto the bill had brought no peace to
Ireland bur he intimated a hope that Its ill effects might be
counterpo.sed by the advantage sot this amendment.
Lori Honghton feared the practical effect of the bill would
be extremely small. What was eluded was to produce an
Immediate imereseion in Ireland that there was to be a
Police of relit/tom equality ; but as the existing rights, and
even the precedence of the mesent Protestant clergy, were
mend, ly preeerved, a moderate and just conce-sion like that
new pro, osed wits the only means if demonstrating to the
Dish peesentry that this was the inteution of the Govern'
steal in the present bill.
The Duke of Somerset thought the hill In no sense a liberal
measure, eppealine as it did simply to the passions oi rival
religious denoniiiiatiotie. As it was, howev, r, the changes
Made by the House in the bill on the side of liheraliey a ere
all in favour of the iehureh. In the desire to balance these
concessions to the Church by corresporidieg ones to the
other rellainue bodies in Ireland he should vote for the
amendment.
Lent Kimberley thonght that whatever might be the merits
of concurrent entewnient, now, at any rate—when the
coma!, at the general election had prejudged the gunnel),
ane deceied eteit, vely against it—the Guvernment could not,
without a breach of f Atli, agree to it
Lord Granard, on the part of his co-religionist. in Ireland
refused hie consent to the amendment. After the ender-
Mending errived at with the Nor conformists and si ith the
Government, It would indeed be almost • breach of faith for
him to vote for it
After remark, from the Duke of [cluster, Lord Dunraven,
lord Roes. and Lord narrowly,
Lord Reesell said he doubted there would he much feeling
of religtous equality in Ireland so long as the Protestant
clergy were comfortably housed and the Roman Calle die
priests lived in hovels. He commended the reticence of the
Rem a% Catholics themselves in reference to thie question.
Lord Westbury hart not voted teethe second reading at all
In deference to public opinion which he hardly thought com-
petent to decide on this special question, lie had voted for
It in the belief that the Irish Church was a great evil, mid in
the hope of couverting this wantonly destructive bill
Into a tnewure of hemflcient reform. It was there-
fore perfectly conistent fir him to support the
areendineut, whatever might be the state of public
opinion on it. Ile saw no insuperable difficulties
In carry', g out fetch a scheme. It was merely what had con-
tinually to be done in caries of trusts. He had in vain
attempted to awaken the Government to a sense of what was
their duty, for the purpose of producing peace in Ireland.
This result would hove followed from concurrent endowineet
aed he entreated the House ti iteve the future historian of
England frem having to declare such a result had been missed
through the bigotry of nue party, and the lack of sufficient
high 'pint on the other to guide the opinion of the people of
the country.
Leo Grenville wished simply to protest for the Govern-
ment what the amendment, the principle of which had
already been more than once discuseeil and rejected, Ile
coegratulatee the other Mee on its development of liberal
sentimetes, as Owen by the ceeers of various sentiments
expressed by the mover of the amendment ; but he implored
the House for the sake et its reputetion fee statesmaliship,
hot to send down to the other 11.4.80 a provision which in
no ease collie that Home lie expected LO adoet, but which,
worded as it was, c old not possibly produce the effect.. its
advocates contemplated.
After a short reply by Lord Stanhope,
Lord Cairns expressed his opinion thet this particular pro-
position was thoroughly miwerkiiiile, and also that a system
of hollsmiudoate endowment was as well In Meet highly in-
expedient as also in posed to the feeling of Ei
After itn explanation from Lord Denbigh, accompanied by
interrnitteet cries of 'Divide !" wbich entirely cened to be
Intermittent on Lord DelsloaMS ribing, a diVialon was taken,
when the ammeiment was carried by 121 to 114. The result
was received with loud cheers.
An amendment by Laird Gough, to add to Clause 2,3 •
Provision empowering the Church Hotly to recover sums due
for dilamdatims in ecclesiastical residences vested in it, was

agreed if.
A verbal amendment, moved by the Lord Chancellor, at the
end of Chose 07, ea, agreed to
The bill then pasted, and their lordships adjourned.
In the House of Common., the Dundalk and Greenore
Railway Bid was read a third time and passed.
The Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod attended to re-
quest the attendance of the Speaker at the bar of the other
House to witness the royal assent being given to several bills
by commission
At the commenoement of the sitting Mr. Bruce announced
his htention of bringing in a hill at once to protect the funds
of the Trades Unities from fraud, upon whch Mr. W H.
Smith whhorew a ',Hee he had given of a Runner bill ; and
Mr. T. Hughes's bill, read a second time latt Wednesday, was
dPeharged
Mr. Sheridan gave notice that be should on an early day
ask the First ConinpuiliDer of Wm ke if there were a number
if boilers under the Houses of Parlmment, and what number
were under the Our of the Hon, of Commons, and the size
and capacity of such boilers; and whether they are periodi-
cally inspected, and when they were last thoroughly in-
spected, and by whom?
Sir Newileigate gave notice that he should, on an early day,
propore a resolution Mott in the opinion of that House the
recent conduct of the Home Secretary Is an attempt upon
freedom of speech, and has helped to produce violation of the
law on the part of official persons, more particularly the
Mayor of Birmingham.
The House spent along evening in Committee of Supply on
the Civil Service Estimates
Mr. Layard gave Mr. Goldney some explanations as to the
plans and estimates fir the new Public Offices ; and Mr. NV
Lowther called attention to the grievances of unpaid attaches,
concluding with a resolution asserting their title to a re-
rnnneration equal to that paid to Junior clerks in the Foreign-
office. But he did not press it, on Mr. i nee ay piloting out
that those gentlemeo had a compensative advantage in being
allowed to Cf unt their time for a perision an soon as their
four yearn' apprentieeship was over. It e House then went
into Committee; but tlnugh he Committee was prolonged
laid rliililht, Chum 2 expenses of public depertmeuta wu
not completed
The Lord Advocate moved the second reading of the
Perot:Mal School. (Scotland, Pill, which has been discusied
arid conmlerably amended in the Lords, and in the latter part
of a long speech he explained how the Goverun edit promised
to deal with these ameroinartits. As to the ceotral authority,
he suggested the creation of a Central Beard, oil which the
law officers wood nit six often, ; and with regard ha the local
authority and the Dwelling id grants, the Government would
ink tbe House to revert to the oriental !oral id the hill,
reserving .n the latter polet the power to rtify for epecial
gra,,ts. On other points the Lord Advocate reserve-i Mimed(
for the Committee, requesting that the discueelou might be
postponed until that etaine.
I prolonged emtverllation followed the motion to read the
bill a second time, 'bendy confined to the question of a
Central Board, which Dr Playtair decidedly approved,
while Nic Si I, declared that Scotland was disgusted with
this ref de of administration, anit Sir. R Anstruther main-
tained that if a board were created it should be represented
n Parliament.
Me h bailey, Mr. Cratdrad Mr. Carnegie, Mr. 1E11311.3rd,
Mr. M'lngan, Mr. Dalrymple', and Mr. Welsh also made
seals einereatiesa, lad ate liolialforilesaral toe loolland do.