The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1885-04-07 00:00:00

POOLE
NA NORTON AND THE TOWN COUNCIL.

Oa binciday a special meeting of the Town Council
was held at the Town Itsi, to consider letters
which appeared In the Daily Nam, purporting to
corns from Mr. Whitworth, M.P., and Mr. Nortm,
and to decide what action shall be taken In the
matter."

—icor,— yin present : no Mayor ((r. W. Mato),
Alderman Hamilton, Norton, Aylse, Curtis, lityring,
and Buckley : sod Councillors Modern, Aldridge,
Dorials,llo ige, C 'mime', Stooo, Dickineon, Buckley,
Nlarstoo, Western, Hill, Farmer, 81101118, and
Wanhill.

In reply to a preliminary qaestion from Alderman
ATLI'S, the MAYOR sold the statement had got abraa I
that the Home Secretary would be willing to grant an
enquiry if the Watch Committee would oak for it,
but he had yet to learn why they should make it.
(Rear, bear.) lie could ant understand why • man
in the possession of his sober mums should to and
ask t, be tried anon • charge of which ha knew he
was not guilty. They knew there were to be found
men so nowise and Sc beside themselves aa Ic manu-
facture charges against themselves, and, as • rule. the
Judie°. before whom they name Rive them • rap over
the knuckles hr the trouble they had caused. That
he Whited would bs tha malt in their ow% if they
naked for an enqoiry. (11.ar, bear) The Mayor then
referred to the fact that Mr. Norman had only pub-
lished • portion of the oorrespondenoe between him
and hie worship, relative to the protection be had
asked for —he bad not published him impeachment of
the Mayor and magistrates and the Home Secretary's
reply. As Mr. Norton was so very anxiona to have
the whole of the oarrsepoodencs bstore the public,
If ha bad asked him for the reply be shout I have
bad It._ . .

Mr. Norms : Llt me have It next week, and then I,
I will publish It.
On the spplicel ian of Mr. Butes, before the ques-
tion for which the Council bad assembled to delibe-ate
upon wee entered into, the lets." In question were
read. (They hive already appeared in thou C 04103.. I
Captoin STONE then roes, and in a speech which
wee extremely well reoeive I. opened the ball. He
said : It was atonal at cunt mortis's for the Junior
officer on board to give his opinion first. Therein.,
as junior member of the C oncil, it had fallen to his
lot to move Ihn first roe dation. They hod met t
conolder the letters which had appeared In the Daily
News. Now he thought he bad reed all the lett r,
written and all the speech," uttered in c,onection
with Mr. Norton an I this 'Weaving prosecutions, end
be hourtly conferral that be was perfectly &agnate,'
with the wholesale charges which had been made easiest
the authorities. (Cheers.) 1311., as • junior member
of the ',ascii. he dirl n.,t outsider that it wool Ibe a
part of his duty to take any action in the matter while
men, older members ablee to sit qnietly by and like
no no..ice of them. lint lie woe els Ito see Oat at
lest the matter bad hem brmeht before them officially.
It was all very well for the public to hoer oae side of
• tile. • 414 tol I in that alert. innocent way in which
Me. Nonni told he VA's,. One could hardly blame
people for believing them, especielly if there
warn no contradiction. (A'dermon Notion:
bear.) lint it appeared to him the truth
' of the matter was this— that Mr. Norton woe 11l
certain tales—l W&I going to say, continued the
speaker, by means of his jackal., but I don't think
will, forjeckals, aooor ling to Natural History, are the
lion's provider', and I would net for a moment
presume to umpire that noble animal to Mr.
bli *Son -- (much laughter and " hear, hese ")—and
noon thew he enlarged. In last Friday's Guardian
Mr. Norton was destribed as the Prince of Temper
lance Reformers. He did not know whether Mr.
Whitworth regarded him in &het light, if he did
be would remind him of that short pusage in Scrip.
tur•—' Put not your trust in pricers.' (ljughter
and boar, hear.) Only the week before last, Mr.
Norton was pleased to make at the Templet Out
what he called his oufeselon. (isragtiterj! Hew,
he (Oeptela Stone) could only say that 11 K n,
by his aoudad at the prelent time, wee g
to guise his mind end to malt* an he
pad why then be must here bug very wieked y
indeid, and he wee afraid he hat e•rried tope of
that wickedness into his manhood. (Much laughter.)
Sams of the charges brought leeward by Mr. Mor-
ton referred to mitten that took plus NEM Gipsies
ago.

Mr, Nairrofi ; No, no.
The Moroi, who bad bleu previously told by Mr.
Norton to sat an exempts of respect to the regula-
tions. an I not interrupt OS speaker, observed he
must here call Mr. Norton to order se be bed cells!
htm.
Mr. NoatOe Bat I must amtradiet them
Osplain &roan continued: Some of there chsrzea
were founded, I say, on things that occurred twenty
years ego. Mow I woodsy if Mr. Nortoa would like
every ittie thiag he ben done during the pest 20
roan 12 be brought to light, Whim's from the
audience.) I venture to say ha would not nrove
such a Simon Pare as he professes to be. (Koch
applsam.) In hie letter Mr. N oton had @slit glint he
hal made imitsin charges against the Wat-h Cm
mittens, and he dared them to have an enquiry. lie
(the epeaker) denied it. It was true Mr. Norton had
handed la some tourism pager of what he was plow(
to call charges. but ha tied the bands of the Dotiocil
by writing upon them " private and cell leetial."
Now, be (Ceptsin St.ll ) would tell ktr. Nod in that
II be would only withdraw those w rile the Wstoh
Committee would not only Gout an en init.', but they
would insist upon P. (Rear. hrs.%) Bat that weA
IVA Mr. Norton's li'tle game—it would not soft him.
(Laughter.) la the Qrst piaci be hal not the strength
of hie oonvictions, for he wee afraid cf the many
actions for libel to which he woold egpom himself if
be did so—(bear. Mark—sod in the second plene, if
he withdrew. Othilil,)11 oomostion would be lone;
when once the public knew the truth, Mr. Norton
would no longer be able to stump the country wort.
hog that he ha at made charges which the Watob Coup
mittens were afraid to go into, end hie bearers voila
not furthrr be gulled by one-eided stories, and Mr.
Norton, instead of being looked upon as the !dace
of Temperance, would be regarded by ever, honest
man moue who for the sake of a little cheap notoriety
wart about withholding and ambling-the truth at the
' expose. of the fair fame scat the nice of his town
and fellow-townenme, (Loud bear, bears.) Mr.
Whitworth, in hit letter. acid the whole cf the
authorities were in league with the pablieane. and
they dare not do their duty. Now, what were the
leek: Last September Mr. Norton thought it his
dal to oppose is ronewal of the liocome a •
number ot publichouees. The msjority of the
Itench—.lrbom, by the way, Mr. ?torten celled
old women (leughter) deeided that they shoal 1
▪ t be renewel. But the OtlnaFt did not
consider they had had jestims done. had by to, k
the emotion to apiece where It wee noC !they itily
local lanatioat would be brought to bear. Thep tech It
to Dorchester. Now he did not think that any °oust,
magistrates were in league with the Poole publicans.
not what they said wee we find that the magistrates
of Poole were in league with the teetotaller., for not
only bed they tried to do throlf duty, but they had
same led it; they had taken away the lloonees but we
consider they exceedei their duty in doing so, sad we
Rive back the majority." (Bear, hem, and linebtsi.e
Now, to show what faith could be put in Mr. Norton,
he would assure the Council that he heard him pledge
his word and honour that if he were 'flowed to make
aortas extracts houg the public records they should
not be and noes in the mai of a public midi/.

Urn for tw, yoers,cul.i give point Wank __de, to
any easortion bet Mr. Norton had ever rp ken to
him about tho conduct of any publicbonse in Poole.
(Hear.) lie had endeavoured to di hi. doty, and be
rc u hated the allertion that either on his part, or
that of his brother magistrates, had there ever been
any dereliction of duty. With regard to the
pollee he had had s ITIS opportunity of seeing
and knowing them, and when he had gone into
other borongos he hod felt proud of the appearance
of the police of his own b irough, aod to say that they
were drunken and beeotte I woe no len, then—then,
well, he w natio% like to say what he thought. (Cheers
an I laughter.) Ile bed had great opportuorties of
knowing the conduct of thy police of the borough, and
he felt be could say whet Sir William Harcovt wad
rec•ntly eta Waling In Weitlainotfr 11.11—the ccii
was sloth' arly innoP, an I the good Wee consp.ogonaly
greet. (Lent rh wen.)
M., ttimeas ale doctored that during the time
he was Meyer Mr. Is: orton ha I never made any com-
plaint. He wan proud of hi. little town—(hear, hear)
—an I had always upheld it wherever he went, and
ha I t 1.1 eviryone " there wan never a better one to
live in, and an to the morality, he believe' It Wan A
l—(hear, hear. atd laughter)—the cages that cams
before the magistrate, were few and far between, and
were certainly not serious ones, and that on two
occasions out of four they presented the Recorder with
a pair of white gloves," Well, ell at once a greed
reformer hit auto I no in the person of Mr. Norton,
who fancied he hat discovered • lot of vice and
Immorality in the police—he said" fancied " beo
he did not suppose Mr. Norton himself went into
these hones. of bad repute or poblich cue.'. Having
fancied all thus thing', what did Mr. Norton do?
Did he maks a communication to the Mayor and elk
for the Witch Committee to be called together? The
late Mayor bad tcld them that during his year of
dice he made no complant to hlm, he went
away and bind two asousins—(tuniendohe ;hewing
In the hall)—to come ad unearth this fancied •los
and immorality •, or rather, all in the days of old,
villains of this description were hired, to stab hi.
neighbour in the dark. (Renewed cheering.) He did
not ednoire that sort of principle. (Hear, hear.) If
any one wished t o do a deed, let him have the
manliness and dtre to do It himself. lis asked was
It • right thing to hire spies to ago do wq for the
plume's of entrapping his townsmen Into committing
breaches of the law! For it had been proved that
these men went to the publiohonses and endeavoured
to entrap the landlords Into committing blue:lel of
the law for the purtoos of furnishing him with
eyidence. Is wonld ask who furnished these men
with money to enable them to do 110 (A Voice from
the ball: a ark liorton ; hear, bear, and laughter.)
There were sins no de'llor in this town, but where was
the town where there were not t telt bit.. Norton. If
he Gould turn to some other kingdom, and if las c ould
find each • ;due, why let him live there
onms back. (Loud cheers.) If he wished to net up
, as • reformer, let him do it la • straight-forward
way (Herr, hear.) He (the speaker) lo .ked upon
the Watch Ci qurnitting as composed of honourable
man, colts es honoureble as Mr. Norton, act he
might ray more no. (If .ar. bear.) hod he was sure
there was not one who would not lirpti to hire vile
informers to corn) ci barn Lai entrap his fellow town,-
men. (Cantered He lap he feelingly, for he did not
Ilk, to see honourable men, who he believed had done
their .'uty h onourahly, traduced through ,ut the length
an I breadth of the land. Wherever be went he
, heard, *ad be hair c •ivrd bettors to the same cif ,ct,
that Poole Lai become notorious for its evil-
doing. Mr. Norton 'ti I the Wat.l Commiltee
were such dastard'', cowards thing tbcY dared
not do their duty, and therefore ha impeached thea,.
before the Council, but he (Mr. Weston)) hold thaiM
umin la higher estimate; he believed they would do
their duty 11 every sense of the word. How did Mr.
Norton send In his charges to the lota Mayor' I t a
kind of Tichborne pack. t—Ctogod w)—riegied, and
with pr.! rate and conti luta al" written no It, (" Oh,
ob.') A 1 tbs Mayor, a professional walnut an,
▪ " HO, I don't dare to look at that,r and pot it
on one side( awl be Nether said that the 'owe
Clerk entered it on the infante book be wonld not
den it. (Applause.) How, then. Gould Mr. Morten
blame the late Mayor, or anybody else, and abuse
them as be ?Th n the present Mayor come into
office. mod Mr. Norton sent in soother owlet packet.
;to one cooli open it. And after that, he went to
London No nude statements at public meeting. that
be coni 1 get no attention paid him, and one of the
roughen of the Carmel had &WWI/ said :1: had
better pot ias letttr on the fled. But Mr. Ziorton
did not toll them be had Marked it '!privas aid cm.
&Israel." He wished the Mayor, who wag prawn
at one of thuge meeting., had got up and given tba
explanation. Ile did not, and he (Mr. Weekly
Looked upon him as an anoeuory after the lace
(Hee, boar) AO. be said, anyone who would it*
shoo,t and mate sub accusations we. scarcly worthy
woloubaldb'ogoe°t dUlinlereMrt.lNWorlO-11147.so.,...Trocidhienaten)ti.ilinyee
-.dein place odd in.- ,•

—a certain _. woe paved withlnteOlcus—
ilaighteri—liut he hal • peculiar way of showfux
them. Ile did hope Mr. N .rtm wculd occupy his
time in a bet.er way for the tutors, and when next
1,.e went away from the town cum!, tell people that
It Wai ZIG: CC bad as ba,l been represented by him.
If he had say g...0d wi:hes toward the temperance
came he would do eo, for he bed bi.l It from some of
lb. loading men of the same that Kr. Norton bid
thrown lt coasklerably bock, end bad done it more

How did he keep him p'eglge ? A week or two after injury than would be remedied for several year.
those extrude appeared in fall in the duendise. and (Hew, hoer.) With regard to the magistrates, be
at every Watch Committee 'nestle' since Mr. Norton could only say that sines be had had the honour of
bas appear° teethe ameteur reporter of that paper. silting on the Bench be had never been actuated by
(Laughter.) He would toll Ms. Norton that the leer, favour, or affection, arid had awerved one
thicgs he bed brought forword be could not prove. iota from what he believed to be right. (Fuew, hear.)
One case on several °cessions had been brought And he believed be could eay the same of his broth*:
forwar 1, and he (Mr. Norton) had pleaded that hie magistrates. He hal never heard otherwise imputed
witnesses were not prepared to go into the witness to them except by Mr. Norton, and these charges
box and give t estimony that would pertiape incriminate ought not to have been made. Mr. N store bad sent
himself, tut he(Mr. Stone) would tall him, sod if be slitter to the Mayor asking for protection, and io it
would SUISSICIOUS the proprietor of that publicbouse he oomplained very much that 10 extra men were not
said bring forward witnesses. he himself could and trofficlect, but he did not ear how many be thought
would bring f 'merit others who would afford • would be. Probably he would have liked the Naval
complete anawar. He had to move the following; Reserve and the Volunteers called out—(ereat
resolution—" Tact the Town Clerk be instructed to laughter) —"Something will happen if you don't, and
write to Mr. Whitworth in person asking him if he is then I shall go through the length and breadth of the
prepared to withdraw the charge. he hoe brought country and tell everyone it was because you Mu t
against the local authorities of the Borough of Poole, give me protection." (Renewed laughter.) But the
and to rank, • public apology for the same; and In the Mayor and the magistrates were not frightened;
event of him relueing to do so that the Town Clerk be things turned out as they expected, and nothing did
Instructed to lay an information against him." (The happen. In conciusion, he woold only urge upon Mr.
reading of the resolution by the gallant asptain wee Norton to endeavour to manifest better feelings
greeted with loud applause from • !wire body of rate- towards his own town than he had done hitherto.
payers, with whom the app., Part of the hall MY (Land cheers.)
crowded, there being at least 300 present.) Mr. Alderman NoarOn then replied. Bsginnlng
The Maros upon this asked that there should be no with Captain Stone be said Mr. Stone had said he
expresion of opinion one way or the other, it would could not prove half his oases. Now he wondered
be • goo I deal better if there wee not, what authority he had for saying that. He wondered
Mr. F Bahl his friend C sedate Stone was at how Mr. Stone knew what case be had. LI ad he had
Oila sod. sod be binself at the other of the:Corp:ration, access to his private docoments. He wee not a mein.
for while Captain Stone was one of the youngest, he bar of the Watch Committee. Hal the Mayor
believed he himself was one of the oldest members of divolgel their content/ to him private'y 1
it. He wished to second the emposition. He The Maros: I will answer that. No one has sees
thought, however, in the consideratiou of the pavilion, them.
they ought to divest themselves of any feeling. It Mr. NORTON : All right. Continuing : Therefore
was net eo much • matter whether they were old Mr. Stone did not know what his oases were, and wee
women or young, clever or the revere., but this, incorrect when he said he could not prove half of
whether the letter of Mr. Whitworth specially or not, them. Now if that style of &hues SIMS t,
he
contributed to the maintenance of law and order in considered argument, ac he (Mr. N irt an) had a little
Poole and other places. Misimpression was that those c :mmon sense left, although some people thought it
who spoke ill of dignitaries— although they might not was nearly all eisme—(he Cr, hear, and laughte,) —he
be everything they could wisb—were not thereby can thought the sooner that style id sedum. nt was thrown
tainted to that can... (Hear, hear.) 114 believed op the hotter. Mr. Conway had referred to the fact
34r. Whitworth to be s gentlernao, and tb-r.f,re he that coos be had held the honourable position of
thought tilt were shown to him that be was mistaken sheriff —(A Vows : Never again though) lie we
arid misled he w admit that he was so, and there pleased to say he bad, and that he had endeavoured to
would be al eel t the matter. (Hear, bear.) carry out the duties of his ofll3e to a proper manner.
In reply to Mr. Dugdele the Tows CLIME said During his term of ofthe there were things happens
looking at the intepretation to be put upon Mr. which could have been shown up, ant wallets would
Whitworth'e letter, the courts above wood say they have been no credit to the town, but for the sake of
felt jastitied in greeting a wdr, the good name of the borough, and the gentleman who
Mr. DcontLesaid that being so he shouldn't for one was in particular lot 'rested be di I not do • He
moment hesitate to say that they would be neglecting did n. t know if they had ever bear I the proclamation
their dety if they did not uphold Hip ir own dignisy spinet Tics, profaneness, and immorality, if soh adsi
and that of the town they represented. (Hear.) No not know that by it he was chargssi particularly t
doubt • great deal had been maid sad writt an which carry it late eff act, bet rather the whole of these
had far better have been left unwritten and uessid, who sat on the Bench ; and if they had been in court
but when they cams t a ma's who attached his and could noderst and it when it was reed, they would
nom to such a letter as that, he certainly thlught know that the neagistrates were responsible, and
they would be doing wrongly If they did not make therefore he did not see why they should visit the sine
him either prove his words or retract them. 83 far of the community in °selection, lie duties upon the
as hie knowledge west be beloved, as Mr. Farmer had shoulders of Norton. With respect to the charges
said, Mr. Whitworth was • honed upright man, and against the ettpetintesdent of polio., sometime iso
an doubt If he found himself in the wrong he the assertion he made was 'you are the worse for
would at once withdrew, an I then he hoped all this drink," be was at onos arrested—(laughter)--and told
would be at an end, lie o in'esed he ISM ashamed to •coompany him to the polio. station which be
to be connected with the place. Wherever he went, declined to do. He did not withdraw the words; be
whether to London or Dorchester or elsewhere, and knew the best of men were liable to mistakes, and be
people bawd where he cams fi on, the qnsetion wee was not gobegto hew unwleeaeta attempt t. subsists
What ! You don't come from Poole T' Well, it Hate • charge of drunkenness against the =winters.
was time all this was itopped.—(Aldertnan NORT )31 : dent unless he bad good ',idiom (Hear, heard But
Haar, hear.) He was glad to bear Mr. Norton say the charges he had made had been taken from their
bear, hear, and he hoped be would soe the wisdom of own books. Mr. Conway hal said he thought that
discontinuing what he °mid call nothing more nor was the ooly c implalot he had ever made to the
than fouling his own nest. (Coosa) Mr. Norton Watch Committee. His memory must be very
wee bringing the town into disrepate, and he c mid shallow, orbs mast give very little heed to what takes
not help saying as an inhabitant of the plats, of place at the meeting., or he does not attend the
which he was very fond, that he had felt greatly meetings. It he referred to the Watch book be would
pained by the disgraceful way in which Poole had wee that about twelve months ago he reported • man
been brought before the notice of the public, who was belplesely drunk, the men acknowledged
Mr. CONWAY said it appeared to him peeing strange that he w:s drunk, and that he had • bottle of
that Mr. Netts'', having been elected by that body spirits in his pock I. When the matter came before
sheriff In the year 1679 or 1330, an I charged theteby the Watch Committee, the Superintendent was asked
to • great extent with the kisoing of the borough, and by an individual, who should have known better,
had sat with the R corder on the Bench four times •' has this man been chary.' before," and, as if carry.
during his year of offio, upon rec.% ea:salon hearing log his memory back into the timee of distant ages •
his honour', proclamation against vice, prolate( n 0.,, quarter of • century ago—(ironic al laughter)—he said
and loam aridity read, that he should never have, by one " Ye., he thought he had
word, called the &Mottoes of the Recorder, the Mayor, Alderman NORT3N was berg Interrupted with a
the Magistrates, or the Wet C immi tee to things perfect storm of groans and hires. from all parts of
which he 'aid had been going on for pears. Mayor the hall, with crior of "let the dead alone "—Ole
after Mayor had said that no complains had been poor constable to whom he was referring has been
made by Mr. Norton against either the Watch Com- that and buried Sam. m mtls, and ham left • widow
nif tee or the place. H 4 (Mr. Conway) would grant and • little family) —" tieu't right to rake up the
there was one charge against the imprrintendeot of name of the dead," 'sit do sne you -- b'ec'ermard."
police on the 16th of March. 1831. laid by Mr. N id-'n, The Moron, as soon as he could make himself hoard,
that he was drunk in the exeruiee of hi. duty. (Mr. said—l tell you, if there is any distortmce we will
NORTON: Ni,the worse for think.) Fortunately the eijouro to the C moult Chamber. (" We have • right
Into Mr. Stone and Mr. Tribbett. whose words no ione to be there.'') Tait is an open meeting—(" We
would imusach, gave evidence before the Watch C env know it') but you must listen quietly to what is
cattier., and what was the reeult? Mr. Norton sail I said.
have made a mistake. (Derisive laughter in the hall.) Mr. NORTON: lam attacking the eyelet°. (Rims.)
Lo 'king at the charge brought. he e• •It was the Mr. Boone: You are attacking men that are dead.
wont custom that 6ret charges against a constable were (Cheers and uproar.)
dealt with by the Mayor f.r the tin, being, he w oild Mr. NoRToN :I am not. lam not ashamed of what
perhaps be rather in favour of thrir heiogdealt with I say. (" Then ynt ought to be.") lam not to he
by the police. (Alderman Nina )N Hear, hear.) put down by a few paid roughs. (Voices: Who the
Many of theme charges had be.ol an vie against del —do you call peld rough', we are not paid rough,.
policemen. (Cries of shams.) Now do let US, urged We are ratepayer., leave the dead alone, you sneak.
Mr. Conway, be kind to the memory of the deal, and The Maroa (shooting): I am neither going to let
not rake up----(The rest of the sentence was lost in Mr. Noit an •tt ark yin, nor will I allow any persona;
the deafening applause of the audience.) He sup- attack pool Mr. Norton.
ported the resolution. Mr. Bowl askod Mr. Norton what he meant by
Aldermen CURTIS denied that se • Watlli Corn- paid roughs.
mittee they were upon their.defence ;as regarded Mr. Mr. NORTON said be thought he need herily jostify
Whitworth's Impeachosot he hid no doubt If it those words after • well.hoo en Cooservative bully
became necessary they would be 'pits able t i justify —(bisese and uproar)—had admitted to him that he
waid rwh
theelves. (Hear, bear.) Ile till rot con.i ler they
dt, tihmengboeiog w. oat
tt. of
attacked
he
hbesc hkadol put thethe Akoteey 'r
Lo an
haulms anything to do with the Watch C munittee, as pkat he had dole, that in order to prio
which had one out of exist noe. They ha 1 wily
erseu s
. Thswer kr their dohge sines they wo-e put in y
office by the C mooed in Novemher hat. With hi ; oeket at was an admissioa from the other
referenos to the paragraph c amplained of in Mr. Ifr. Boras : Name
Whitworth'a letter. he c 'nisi only say than, having bar N...., My de. eir.
ba 1 the honour of sitting as chief inagietrate for the smaway ? 'sin yoUt
Mr. Bomog I challenge you to give the :Arne.
borough for two year., he bad no recollection during
Mr. Near ot did ot co I.leactnii to reply to this,
that time of Mr. N stop CT44 having made any direct
complaint as was implied ia Woitworth'e letter. ...„1 coutioned he tt,eet.ted the h le
et
were not rep at by the supt.wto° the Watch""eelrmee.
If there had been he would certainly have called the
Watch immittess to7et,he;:. mittee.
Mr. ALDIIIO3I haSian OCClPitit eimiltedpeeeuilat'ota !tidal:n:6l &RUIN?: I would a"k for the doses,

Mr. NoRTON : They are in your own t; :ii; In
order rot t app. tr—(the adjoctire ego lost in the
confute! in) —he had careluily avoided Damien
individuals or houses—(Oh on !)—and dates. (Oh ii
If my statement. a-e not true, cotinuel Mr. Nor-
tn. I shall be the fir it to ap ,logise, an I if I have
done any harm directly or indirectly I am ready to
make any reparation I c —(hear, and derisive
lanitheet)—hot, (tinning to the andiron., who scowled
at him ominously) I tun not to be put down by noise,
and th are not going t frighten m., from who-
ever th.y corns; I am too um I to them. So it you
fancy that, I would advise you to try another tack.
(Groans an 1 hisses.) Toes. things had not taken
place 20 veers ago, as had been said.
Mr. Banat : You *twit yourself fifteen years ago.
Mt. NORTON : I •m attacking the system. (Gran'.)
Tiers were. one far more responsibm than he was,
for he had not been there so long. ( Veim : Aid
You dont't go thsre anymore if I can help it. Another :
Yon ought never to have been here now.) I really
wish the publicans would keep their men at h ,me.
and nt send them up here to interrupt. (Renew.]
upente,..) The whole of these cases would be found
in the official reeord. He need not tell them in
whose handwriting ; he noel not tell the n that
none of thrum charges were to be found in the Watch
Committee book, and therefore they had been dealt
with by the Wa•ch Committee. Mr. Western hail
spoken of hie imagination. W 11, it was doub lamely
very nice to hive • lively imegination, but facts were
stubborn thing', Theo • great deal had been said
about hie hiring detectives. Why Els friend Mr.
Budge had done the gam, thing, and had eimittei it
to film, and his friend hal further told him they be I
rounded upon him, (Laughter.)
Mr. BCDOS : I beg your pardon • I never said
anything of the sort. I never ealS they rounded
on me.
Mn, Norm continued : Well, sirely if it were
rightfor Mr. Bu Igo to employ detective, t detect
Liheral voter., it wan right for anyone else to employ
them. Ifirint detectives was done every day. and ',to
one mn•t k ,w that hatter than M-. 1!..1 tO,u,elf.
If he (Mr. Norton) could have done too work himself,
he would not have ehrook from it. (Lough•er.) He
would have gonehicimif,even if he hal gone disiruieed,
bottney knew It wool I hsve been i cupossibie for him to
discover anything. What was the difference between
orients Remits and public offizers. Oily the other day
detectives came down to Id turner° ,uth an i entrappe I
people into betting, an, they were filed; aol very
recently the fixes. put their detectivee 10 the lodging-
homes, at Brighton, eel the owners were gagi
for selling liquors without a 'Wens*. Theretor, be
was only following the precedent established by
hie friend Mr. Bodge and other learned dignitaries,
(Laughter.) With respect to the item about &eking for
police protection. The ilea of his hewing the im-
pudetce to tell the maniere'', they should ern-4°y •
certain given number of constables! Re thought he
was entitled to protectioi, even it in sirloin. to show
nit wrong he was wrong in every point. (Hear, hear.)
If soot* good Conservative had taken sip this matter
—(ty., no! No good Cone-rvative would) —they
would hare turned round and said what our (Fiend is
doing is only asking Coat the law should be respect ,d.
And that was what he was baking.
Mr. Wool rose to a point of or ler. The 'meeker
at that time wa., indeed of a L'ressing tic chair,
addressing the audiencs. If he rreist id in that be
must expect tokens of disapproval or eppriovsl,
, Mr. NOIMN then turned to the chair. and then
proceeded to defend the passage in Mr. Whitworth'e
letter which said the police were in with the
poblicars. Several sears ago— (leught sr)---he said
two portions were passing along by the Yeoman Ino,
and they found a jar on the door step. They took it
up and smelt it, aid fowl it contelned, not Adam'.
ale, but loser. They were on the point of throwing it
d own when • polleemen came tont of the station aid
said—" What are you doing with that. it belonge to
our Men." "Well, what hays you got to do with it,"
they eshed? "Oh, we forgot to take It lo last night."
At all events there was an appearance of evil there.
ease.) If they went through the police occurrence
k they would find • great clayey things entered,
but great many no doubt had not been entersd.
The Margit : I must ask Mr. Norton, at this
point, now that be le meking Wise afirentente shout
the poioe, does he intend to prove them, for think
if our police force is to be of any use to us we molt
protect them. (Laughter and continued cheering.)
It he does not, then (ask him in all fairness to dis-
continue thee. remarks.
Mr. NORT011: My dear sir, you seem to misunder.
Kind me. I tell y'on the whole of thew, things, except
t. m4•er If the Irepataa lon, are in your own book,
fallff Iberteferfl t 4) settef, yOUTeetTes you hate only t egg
lt.
The Magog: There ii a veal difference. If our
books come before the Watch Committee they are ;,11
to go before the public. If the public knew all the
Watch Committee, sad the police knew, why there
•- discharglog their '

would be an end to their
ever.
Mr. troaro, tiontinned It, wee asked if he well pre-
Pula t prdve those eters... hie answer was that Viey
were extracts from the pollee bcolte. A magi.trate
bad told him he he had won him atiocit. Why did he
not insist upon the man who did so being taut into
custody, another that he bad seen the rams, end yet
another that he had lam a public officer inciting tits
mob.
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dulls. tor

Mr. N : Sly dear air, anything else in your
small way ' (Laughter and biases.) H. bit lately
had Information came to his bands, eine* this
matter, and be wee perfectly prepared I. sub.tantiale
hie charges. M. N na the i proceeded to go
through the charges he bad broaubt against the
pence, which had bawl repeated ad nauseass.
Mr, WAVHILL strongly oppowed th 13 lune, listen-
ing to these etatemente unless they were t be sub-
stantiated. It waa weirs chil Vs pier, a wage of time,
absurd, sad al Mt •err.t I. ‘'eva ze tno p eke in the
eye. at pa Ito. (0 mon )
Mr. Noat >et : your opinion. I bare eat
tat lolly h at the stan It o.
Mr. teraNuitt.: But this—
.

N-01;077 Wills::ti-keep your seat
Mr. WANHILL: Ac I 'ages I like, hut not for you.
Mr. Noarom : rhea obey the ruling of the cite'''.
He aintinuel—lie bad pobliehed • record of the trial.
anl In that was an sppendir, and in that it we. slated
• certain sergeant was placid in the box to eve .
character t • c Ttaln bore', and he himself hear
him swear—" I know the bons-, an I it has always
been to my knowledee well con hided. and I have no
complaint to make against it." He (Mr. Nort ,n) was
satosorled to hear this, to he oht,inel • file of the
Polo Herald, and be lone I—so It was repot-ea—that
the same per. n had informed ageing this partieular
lan Hord for illi it drinking. or. at all even's, • bre& :It
of the licensing laws, and that it was • .erions offence
m'Eht be ja hied by the fact that be wee fined 404,
aced ousts Thereto., if Mr. Whitworth saw that,
con!.l they icy he was not jostified In saying the
police were well in with the publicans?
11,. Mimi.' asked Mr. N eon to keep to the
point. It was the smthorities who were complaining,
and as the authorities they were mot there that day.
Mr. Nowyne : Are not the police the aw.horities ?
Mr. DUODALI (emphatically) : Cretainly not.
(('beers an I lauebter )
The MATO% took it that the statement complained
of was that the authorities were in with the polio..
end the piles with the publicans. While Mr.
Norton was g log • little out of his way, be did not
see how he cull it ip him.
Mr. Munoz: I hope, Mr. Mayor, you won't atop
him; let him blow off his steam once and for ever.
(Hear, Intr. sod laughter.)
Norros: Now lam asked why don't I with.
draw those words "private and confidential." Well,
'loot), beelines I dmline to place must( st the tender
mercies 4.f Mr. Hodge and hia frt nds. (Mr. Burns
" Hear, hear.") At the same time, every charge I
have made has been made with an honest belief, and
and with the knowledge that if I bad the p mar to
subroa a witnesses. I could prove every one. (" Ob.")
When the report was banded in to the Watch Com.
mimes, It was proposed by a centime, that it should
be put on th• lire, and his reason was that he did not
believe • word of it. He (Mr. Norton) sell to him—
" Do you know you that in making that statement you
are charging me with having written so many sheets
of deilberate ilea." His reply war" Wsll, I d cut
believe a won of it." Upon which be sail —" Then
lam very Lunch obliged to you" (ie.ttgliter.)
Alderman Srraufo : You aro not exicly speaking
the truth. . . .

Alderman Norms continue : That gentlemau
also said he had a pill In storm for him, and that he
had decided to treat Norton and all his communica.
tions with contempt. (A Voice: "Quite right, too.")
Mr. Nod t ut then went on to attack the Mayor for
saying that he " played with words." which he quoted
as RR instance to chow the determined opposition
there was in the Watch C onmittee to his having any-
thing lire fair Way. A gsetlemsn hid toll him it
was impossible It expect it. (Confusion, during which
Mr. W161'1115 was undentood to remark be believed
that to be a lie.)
Mr. NORTON Obj!did to any such prefix to his

DM*.
Mr. WESTgIiN: It wouldn't be the first you have
tol I. (Loud :•.beer..)
hi'. Noatore said he had only stated what be
believed, awl he did not care for ointradictioo. Was
this to go on! A mentb•r of the Wstoh Committee
bed charged him with deliberate lyinr. (Cries of
"Q it. right, too.") He bat reported v case avast
the superintendent for not rep 'ding the ones of the
S orip at Hamworthy f r five weeks after. That RN
hear I before the Watch Committee. Only two me v.
bore were present at first, and • third came in at 17
minutes past 10; there was note word of explanati fl
asked for a resolution was token, and what appeared
on the book ?—that having heard the superiatendeut's
explanation, the commit'ee are sati-fied.
Mr. BARNIS I wss present, ant the fact is that an
explanation wadi asked for, it was given, and it was

acoeptel.
Mr. Noarox ! The only explanation given was that
when the cam) clans before the maxivt•stee.

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Mr. Maxis : Itwar given at the time, sir.
The Maven : Yor, I asked tbe supeiitgendent my.
self.

Mr. NORTJN reiterate,' hie statement, and

...---. -
The MOTOR rising energeticaliy 0 ntradicted it amid
continuous cheers. A more i'eliberate untruth, be
sail, up all &ma, was never utti r 01. I never heard
such statement,, and I don't hesitate to say lbst every
word Mao r (Frady devoid of truth as any falsehieids
ever uttered by any men. (Uhoop%) lam perfectly
sit • I AI to truilarsta,id whet Mr. Norton is driving
at by making statement)! that he mos% know himself
to I e untrue.—CA Voice : Can't you heirs him f
p-rj try(? Lou .hter.) I only yogurt that them gentle-
men whom names are appended to Mr. Whitworth'e
letter, and wh I km) • one and all t) be highly
reeperitabir gentlernm, are not present in ail 1141 to
hear the statements which are being made. (Loud
cheer s.)
Mr. Nogtog : I am not aware that them gentl -men
are in neei of your offici U dictum alto their receect-
atility. He then continued to refer to entries In ths
occurrence book in terms which Mr. Ilu ire
atigm ttiMi as " rot," after which he remmed
hio seat amid a demonstration the reverse of compq-
wintery.