The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1876-08-05 00:00:00


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WHE "BILHAM 9MYSTTIT

On Thursday, in lad week, the inquiry into the eiroum-
stances attending the (bath of Mr. Charles Delauney Turner
Bravo was resumed for tre thirteeeth time, at the "Bedford"
Hotel, Bohem, before hr. Carter. the Coroner, with Mr.
liarfeleh Mtlr as legal assessor. The Attorrew General (Sir
John loiter, ), Mr Gorst, Q.C., and Mr. Poland ap-
Peered or, lahaU of the Crown ; Sir Henry James, Q C, and
"Aron e -peered for Mrs. Charles Bravo, the widow of the
deceased; alr. Murphy, Q C,, and Mr. Bray for Mrs. C )X ;
Mr. &avert Parry and Mr. Archibald Smith appeared for
Gully ; -and Mr. Gearge Lewis, jun., watched the case for
Kr. Joseph Bravo, th, stepfather of the deceased, and for
the relations of the doeased. After the examination of Kr.
Joseph Bravo, stepfatler of the deceased, William Ilemm,na
coachman to Mr. Joeoh Bravo, Mr. J. Jepson Atkin:on,
barrister-at law, and Mr. J. Meredith Brown, stockbroker,
Mrs. Cox ~ves called, but her testimony, which was listened
to with eeep interest had not proceeded far when the Court
adjourned.
On Friday tire. Ca continued her evidence, which occu-
WWI the whole of the day. She spoke of some anony-
mous letters whit had been received early in the
Present year, and the authorship of which the deceased
attributed to Dr. Gaily, who, however, denied having
sent sr Si commtnications. She had asked Dr. Gaily
for a pi eseriptior for Jamaica fever, as she thought she
flight probably ie going out to that island, and he had
sent her one 're her knowledge Mrs. Bravo had never
held any semminication with Dr. Gaily after her mar-
singe with Mr. Bravo. Speaking generally. Mr. and
'lns. Bravo rere Very fond of each other except
When be was in'a temper: She had heard the de-
!eased say he viers& Dr. Gully were dead; he should like
e_bo shoot him, did that he should like to see Dr. Gully's
Loners!, cross Tooting-common. When the deceased's
mother interbred about the expenses of the garden and
horse., there were angry words between Me. and Mrs.
Bravo, aud an one occasion the deceased struck his
Wile. The text serious difficulty which took place
between the (teemed and his wife was on Good Friday. It
°V &lusted thiough an altercation in regard to the lighting
Of a fire ; and Mr. Bravo got into such a temper that he said
he wished hawas dead, that he should go away, and that he
had made nphis mind be would not live with his wife any
aalifer. Be also said, either " Let her -go back to
Dr. Gaily, sr "Let her go to Dr. Gully." n giving the
details of Mr. Brave's last illness, Mrs Cox stated that the
declaration ot, the deceased to her was, "I have taken poison
for Dr. Gully; don't tell Florence."
On Monday morning (15th day) the proceedings were corn-
rnenced by the resumed examination of Mrs. Cox, who was
before the Court the whole day, and throughout the cross-
eramination she was calm and collected, and very deliberate
in her answers. The place was crowded to excess, and the
1017 represented to the Coroner their strong disapprobation
of the admission of women to the court, there being many
Well-dr, eased women of all ages present, and many struge
• „lintin the crowd for places. To accommodate persons who
naa no duties even the limited spacenet apart for the solid-
''are and for Press representatives was encroached upon. In
a°°llseenence of the r, eresentations of the jury the order "MAI
VMOCI that no women were in future to be admitted —The
ee"lowlng account of the day's proceedings is frets The
awries:—
,Mrs, Cox resumed her statement, still examined by Mr.
Murphy, and, in reference to the list of "raedicines to
e_ "L
PrOcrared given to her by Dr. Gully, with the " treat-
-414°bl " (the aconite, tarter emetic, nux vomica, etc.,
entioned in The Times on Saturday), she ssid,-1 never
had "made up" any of the medicines mentiened in the
Z)aie read on Friday. In previous years I had obtained
era Dr. Gully " treatments ' for different ailments, and
▪ aave the original of a " treatment " given me in 1373, or
about then, for smallpox, which was then very. bad in
fri-
ends. At
I sent a copy of that "treatment to my
wt the time of Mrs. Joseph Bravo's illness I saw
alr- Joseph Bravo, who told me of that illness, and I ob-
aw,ned from Dr. Gully a "treatment" for that. I gave
that to Mr. Joseph Bravo about two years ago. With re-
gard to the conversation I had with Mr. Joseph Bravo as to
D
01,ei0 hfi kekine to Jamaica, I went over to consult him just
last going to St. Leonard's. I told him I thought
I might to go soon, and he said I ought to go as soon as pos-
sible. There was not the slightest difference between myself
,I;nd Mr. Joseph Bravo then, and he lent me £l5 to pay my
LTA The witness, returning to the matter of the sudden
"'less of Mr: Charles Bravo, on the 18th of April, continued,
" bile I was with the deceased Dr. Moore was the first
7• lOtxcal man who came. He was a stranger to me. I was
„`" the deceased's bedroom when he came, and I was rubbing
'ate deceased's cheat with camphor. My recollection is
asexear that I was upstairs in the room at the time, and Mrs.
Wravo as well, and, I think, one of the servants was also
mare. r told Dr. Jsloore what I had done —given the de-
!eased an emetic, put mustard plasters to his chest, and
Put his feet in mustard and water, and had rubbed his
chest with camphor. I told the doctor the deceased had
beeen sick out of the window, and had been sick in the basin.
L did not tell Dr. Moore what Mr. Bravo had said as to
iehaving taken poison. I did not do so because I was expect-
• Mr. Harrison • I did not like to tell a gentleman of
becittse 'I
thought it would be such a dreadful
i'candal, and that Mr. Bravo, when he recovered, would be
augrY with me if I did so. Mr. Harrison had attended the
laret°llY before, both Mr. and Mrs. Charles Bravo. Both
Bravo and myself remained in the room until Mr.
'darrison came—at least. I do not remember either of
;1,11 leaving—and we carried out Dr. Moore's instruc-
-2,0- When Mr. Harrison came I first saw him in the
eand I went with him into the morningotoom. I
aim that the deceased bad been sick, and also what
seee• ad done for him, and that I was quite sure the deceased
"ad., taken poison—chloroform, I said. It was my im-
gieEdole that Mr. Bravo had takeo that, as I found
bee bottle empty on the chimney-piece, or nearly empty.
;.'ith the exception of a few occasions Mrs. Bravo and
remained in the room until the other doctors
caattnneme from London. I was not in the room when it was
Pted to administer 'randy and water. When I told
ee Harrison what I had .one for deceased be fore Dr. Moore
s'nlea be said I had done quite right. Mr. Hayes Bell was
called in at the request of Mrs. Bravo, she saying, when Mr.
Ziarrison spoke of his desire for further help, that she was
lure Mr. Bravo's family would like to have Mr. Ben there.
Harrison wrote the note for Mr Bell to come, and I went
With him when he wrote it. I saw Dr. Johnson and Mr. Hayes
sell arrive and said to them, "I am so gled you have come."
!ersent into the bedroom of deceased with them. Mr. Bravo
then began to return to consciousness. We (Sirs Bravo and
.12,Ylielf) left the room after the doctors came, as they desired,
I supposed, to make an examination of Mr. Bravo. We went
into Mrs. Bravo's room, and I left her there and went back
to the door of Mr. Bravo's room and called Mr. Bell. I
called him once or twice before he heard me. At last he
repeated my words, "Mr. Bell," in an impatient Wine, as if
interrupted. When he came out of the room I said to
him, " Charlie said he had taken poison and told me not
to tell Florence ;" and Mr. Ball replied, "You had better
tell Dr. Johnson that— ills no use to bring us here and let
he work in the dark." Be went to Da Johnson, and when
be came I repeated the same to Dr. Johnson. I don't re-
member what Dr. Johnson said, but be returned to the
scorn. We (Mrs. Bravo and herself) went into the room
Where deceased was some little time after, but we did not
Stay there long; he was very ill. I think he was conscious
then. but I am not sure. The doctors had then made no
farther inquiry of me asko what Mr. Charles Bravo had said
to ale. When I told them they had not been triere, I think,
More than a quarter of an hour. I know I told Mr. Reyes
Bell of the vomiting through the window by deceased, anci I
told him of what I had done. I do not remember telling
Dr. Johnson that, but I think I did. I did not go into the
room again that night. I did not undress that night, nor
did I until Saturday morning. I was not present when the
will was made. I was a great deal in the room on Wed-
hesday, when the deceased was sensible He recognised
lte and spoke to me several times. We were alone tor
gather once on Wednesday, Mr. Reyes Bell asking me to
attar in the room a little with Charlie. As soon as Mr.
d'olell Bell Was out of the room, the deceased turned
round and said, "Why did you tell them? Does Florence
e_ektlow I poisoned myself?" Then I said, " What have you
.'"‘Ken. Charlie?" He turned his head rouud and said,
stoleatlently, "I don't know." Immediately after that his
wife came into the room, before I bad time to make any
Observation to that. In answer to his question "Why did
you tell them?" I had said, "I was obliged to tell them—l
could not let you die" He seemed very pleased to see his
Wife, and the servant came in soon after. Rowe. too, was
Coming in and out. I saw the deceased in the course of that
day Several times when others were present I did not
Mention this conversation to the surgeons or to anybody,
sued I did not because Jthought he did not wish me.
l'ir• "Wyss Bell, in regard to the doctors saying that the
deceased had said he had had no conversation with me,
laid only that the deceased had not acknowledged,
Itraithif . Anything to me. I was not brought face to,
eSee with the deceased to have the matter explained.
Lwisli I had been so brought face to face with
eeo_"'ea- The doctors never said anything doubting the
Mi. acY Of what had said—not for a moment. When
e'er.and Mrs Joseph Bravo came Mrs. Joseph Bravo took
the nursing into her own hands. I repeatedly went into the
Faem and saw him. There was no difference in the kindness
With which he usually treated me. I remember the arrival
;4,1' William Gull. I was not lathe room when Mr. Henry
~‘a came. I was out of the room then—just outside,,
en the doctors, with Sir William Gull, came out of the
ereta, and Dr. Johntion took me into Mrs. Bravo's dressing-
Luyi with Sir William Gall and, I believe, with Mr. Royes
7,71-1, Dr. Johnson said to Sir William Gail, " This is Mrs.
r 0; the lady to whom Mr. Bravo said he bad taken poison."
isra•tke, sal Sir WWiarn what the deceased had taken, and Sir
he'lleatil replied, "The symptoms point towards arsenic; but
ic,,,etwbira—ototay__acknowledge lanthanum. I said, 'Can you not
say what he really has taken? "and Sir William
"tertille 'am, "I really cannot press a dying man further."
el
"en I told Sir William Gull about the deceased being
ck out of window, Sir Witham Gull said, "Has that been
reeliteeedtre?" and he or Dr. Johnson said, "Lab it be col-
that Sir William Gull might take it with him.
Al far ae I know, that vomit had not been interfered with
11 431 and I had mentioned it Were to Mr. Harrison and
eee' 00te. I was in the room when Mr. Bravo died.
Murphy then said,—Now, just tell us how it was you
Went to Dr. Gully.
morning
witness proceeded,—Before our breakfast on the
:Tiling of Thursday, about nine o'clock Mrs. Charles Brach
asked me to go to Dr. Gully to ask him if he could prescribe
earthing •, that the doctors had given her husband up and
had "00 hope." We were alone
when she asked me to go to
Dr. Gaily. She said she should never be happy again if every
Means were not taken to save him. I replied to her when
she made this request, "It would be beter not to send to
D. Gully- " and she said she knew where he had saved one
Patient's life who had been quite given up by other
noeters. I had said it would be better not, because I
knew Mr. Bravo would not like it, and I thought it
erootad be better not under the circumstances; but, in
ee_t_of !uoseenence of what Mrs. Charles Bravo said, I went
the garden
gate, down the road, and knocked at Dr.
s door. The breakfast-bell of the house rang as I
;all, After some conversation with Pritchard (Dr. Gally's
.Whom I knew very well, I went into the drawing-
lb m of Dr. Gully's house and then into Dr. Gully's
rarr- I had told Pritchard that Mr. Bravo was very
w
Dr..a^a afraid he would not live, and that I wanted to see
~1-1 Y I forget what the man said to me, but he let'
trays.' t once. When I saw Dr. Gully I told him that Mite
o had told me he had taken poison, and that he wall I
not
krtetPrected to live; that he was very ill Indeed, and that,j
presc iba" 'vas very anxious to know if anything could be,
11,,eieet. ed for him. Dr. Gully asked me how he was,
erteiTga Red I told him of the sickness and of the agony'
oondi ravo was in; au! Dr. Gully said he thought that the
tole iztirtolves amenable to homoeopathic treatment. He
eteeonf tire him two drops of arsenicum in a desserts
hoe as of water—i don't remember now how often—toe
(,47. a mustard plaster down the spine, and a compresse
neee7r, Poultice) over the belly. That was all the " treat-
's I
sent when Mrs. Bravo told ti e doctors aboutwent directly home to Mrs. Bravo and told her.
eed'ali prel this
:flatulent, mid she sail, "They have hau their way, and I,
Dr Gull bis wite will have mine" ahe then told them what
It Cad ordeted ; but his name was not mentioned.
there M°
not not have been a pleasant name to mention
Mri Joseph Bravo gave the arsenicum herself.
fe' Johnson objected to the mustard plaster, on the
attncl that Mr. Bravo could Eot bear it; and he said the
aralPreet was about the same thing as the warm fomenta-
nous they had -been using, but which Mr. Bravo could
een bear. As to the doe of arsenicum, Dr. Johnson said
°l;n:ere could • be neither good nor harm result from the
wedicitir. I think Mr. Hayes Bell and Mr. Joseph Bravo
also present when-this conversation arose. I had the
r*niclun in my medicine chest, which I brought from
karnalca. I had looked in Mrs. Bravo's medicine chest for
rseticure, hut, as I could not find any in hers, I took my.,.
Seen, and th .t was what was administered by Mrs. Joseph
!Irave, I did not know if Mr. Charles Bravo having a habit
tOf dribldng water at night. There w as nothing which
Weald take Inc into his room at Liget so that I should 'mow
02 toils hiaoit On the night of the 18th I Dever noticed his
ewat.ere, elecerter and glees, and I do not keove whether or
e":ittld been used. I do not know where the glees was
eu from when I gave him mustard laid. water. It wail
t water wish which the mustard was mixed. I do not
"sticw whether ins weter-boqle was usee or riot that night,
did not Use it for any purpose myself that idiot, and .I. do
s_11"-Ynoite of any one else having used it, or of emit one charg-
Wig Wciiiireptying it. The bottle of "eerasee '' water (eiven
ne Da Gulls) was put aside, and at the tome of the death was
In a cupboard in my room. It (the battle) was exactly in the
!Mae elate in whice I had received it, anu so far as I know it
aad not in the slightest way le en interfered with. I have
ltOme recollection of something being said about- that bottle
tuft the death of Mr Bravo. I went to the medicine cup-
-I,eo,lerei and saw the bottle, and I said to Mrs. Charles Bravo,
t,Here is that bottle of stuff Dr. Gully sent you to 'make you
at eeli—what is to be done with it ? " Mrs. Bravo said, "You
, s better throw it away- I shall not take it now, and per-
uarsa they'll say that'e poison."
Umiteseor—" They?" Who are "they?"
: Well I know why eke said it She sald 10

because Mr. Joseph Bravo had declared that Were were
room of the house." He called all the
ho eoeopathic medicines poisons. Ido not remember any
more about that at that time, and I left it where it was.
That was the day after the death, as far as I can recollect.
I don't think any cue else was there then. There was a
subsequent conversation about that bottle. The next con-
nversatien upon it arose the next day or day after. I went
up to my bedroom and Mrs Charles Bravo was in bed
,Mrs. Robert Campbell (the mother) was there, and I am
not sure whether Mrs. Thomas Campbell was there or
whether she was not. Mr. Charles Bravo then said, "I
have been telling mamma and auntie about Dr. Gully order.
big me the eitz baths and spinal washes, and sending mo
- the little bottle to make me sleep." Afterwards she said,
" Auntie will throw the medicine away." I said, "She need
-notnrouble to do that ; I will do it ; " and when Mrs. Camp-
helpless going home that evening, and came to my room to
Linton her bonnet, she asked if she should take the bottle.
I sl.l. "Oh, ho, you need not trouble about that:
111. throw it away." I did not do anything then, but I
think it was the next day that I threw it away—the
nex t day or the' day deer that. I thought the bottle
a seful little one, and I only emptlia away the con-
teets, keepiog the bottle for vinegar. I washed the bottle
and took the Woe off The label was, as I have said,
Cerasee Poison. Smith; chemist, Balharo.." The
contents were white. The bottle was full at the time I
emptied it, and the white leather was over the top as I bad
received it. I was examined at the first inquest. It is a
fact that then I did not give the words that Mr. Bravo had
taken the poison "for De ,My reason for omitting
it is that, as far 'as I knew, there was no reason for' his
taking poison "for Dr. Gully ;" and I thought it would be
such an injury to her (Nlrs. Bravo's)reputation to make such
a statement, and that to state .it—to mention Dr. Gully's
name—would do no good, and I saw no harm in keeping
back those words. At a subsequent period, when I had re-
flected upon the matter, I made a statemput tO.itirs Treasury
in which I mentioned those words. . . -
Mr. Gorst.—Let me mention, as a matteeof fact, that the
witness came to the Treasury with a written statement—_
written before she came there. She read that statemelkti,
and it was taken down. •
In further answer to Mr. Murphy, the witness said: I hid
mentioned that Mr. Bravo had used these words *fore I
spoke of them to the Treasury. I spoke of them, to Dr, Dill,
at Brighton, before the adjourned inquest.. The first diaref
the inquest was on the 25th of April, and'l Went to Brighton
the next day to look for lodgings, and told Dr. Dill then. I
did not tell Mr. William Campbell at that time. There were
reasons why I should tell Dr., Dill, and they are that he
knew all the circumstances of the acquaintance of Mrs.
Ricardo and Dr. Golly. Dr. Dill had been in attendance
upon Mrs Ricardo when her acquaintance with Dr. Gully
was put an sod to in October. Apart from what Mr. Bravo
told me, I have not the slightest knowledge of how he came
by his death.
The Attorney-General then commenced his cross-examina-
tion, and the witness said,—lt was on the 25th of April, the
first any of the inquest, when I gave my evidence before the '
Coroner. I was sworn "to tell the truth, the whole trail,
and nothing but the truth."
The Attorney-General: I will read you your depositions
before the Coroner, which you swore to as the "whole
truth :"
" Mrs. Jane Cox, sworn, deposed—l am a widow. I have
been staying here with Mrs. Bravo, as companion, for nearly
four years. On last Tuesday night (the nth), at haW past
nine o'clock, I saw deceased in his bedroom. He had been
up and about that day. The servant called me. I found
him standing by the window. He looked very ill. He said-.
as soon as I went to him he had taken poison. I saw two
bottles on the chimney shell, both labelled, one a bluebottle
labelled Chloroform—Poison,' with a small quantity of
whitish fluid in it. It had a cork stopper. The other was
a white bottle, labelled 'Laudanum—Poison,' with a small
Quantity of brown fluid in it. I had seen these before.
He used them for neuralgia, subbing his gums with the
fluid. I asked him how he came to do so, and be made
no reply. Dr: Harrison was sent for and came, and Dr.
Moore came with Dr. Harrison. I told Dr. elarrison whatllae
deceased had said he had taken. He (the deceased) was
suffering froo neuralgia when I saw him I saw him con-
tinually until-he expired, but he did not tell me how he
came to take the poison. No paper has been foundhaving
reference to his death. He Was a person ot good mind.
He and his wife lived on good and affectionate tenni. He
had no occasion to commit suicide. I cannot give any
opinion why he should have taken poison." [The "here"
in the first part refers to the fact that the first inquest was
held in the Priory.]
Witness: That is what I said then.
The Attorney-General: Then I Now yoli say that there was
a good deal in that which is not true ?—The witness mo.ve_d
her lips, but did not reply, and she sat as if in deep role.

tion: - -
The Attorney-General repeated his question, 'and she at
length replied : I will not say that it is not true; but I own
I did not use the words that be took the poison 'for Dr.
Gully." I did not say before the Coroner that the deceased
did notexplain to me why he had taken the poison. eat a.
The Attorney-General: Then you did not tell the tenth?
---;The witness made no reply, and then, in answer to the
Attorney-General's other questions she went on to say: I
have lived with Mrs. Charles Beane since 1872. She was
then Mrs. Ricardo. I was with her at Leigham-court-
road. I went abroad last year with Dr: Gully and Mrs.
Bravo. We stayed from March until , the 12th of Max
When she was living at leigham-court-road he came"'
frequently. He lived close by. He came to live close by
before I went to live with Mrs. Bravo. I had heard from
Mrs. Bravo that he left Malvern at Christmas, 1871, or
January, 1872. He came to Mrs. Bravo's house in Leigham-
court-road almost every day; generally about luncheon time.
He was there in the evening to dinner, and remained in the
evening, generally until nine or a quarter pest Mrs. Ricardo
told me that she was estranged from her relateems ' • it was
A
not altogether on account of D Gully she was so estranged.
It was one reason, certainly, and her family was against her
acquaintance with him. There was great intimacy between
Dr. Grille and Mrs. Ricardo (now Mrs. Charles Bravo).
There was familiarity—gentlemanly familiarity, on the part
el Dr. Gully.
The Attorney-General: Now, Mrs. Cox, you saw a good
deal of Mrs. Ricardo and Dr. Gully; now what do you sup-
pose was the nature of their acquaintance ?—Witeees ; I
thought he Was very much interested in her.
The AttorneeeGeneral : Now, Mrs. Cox, will you tell us if
you looked upon him merely as her friend or as her lover?
The witness sat for some time in the midst of the silent
court but made no reply. She sat quietly brushing the
table-cloth with her gloved haud, and did not look up. She
at length said, "I cannot say exactly."
The Attorney. General: I put it to you again. Did you
know that Dr. Gully was her lover—Mrs. Ricardo's lover?—
The witness did not answer at all.
The Attorney General proceeded, after a long pause: You
lived with her for four years, and I ask you, did you not
know sooner or later during that time that Dr. Gully was
Mrs Ricardo's lover 7—The witness, after considerable het-
tat replied: Yes, I think I did.
The Attorney-General: When did you first know—was it
at Leigham.coort. road ?—Witncas : Yes; I concluded so frora
his coming there so often.
The Attorney-General: Did you know that he was mar-
ried 7—Witness: Yes; but that he had not seen his wife for
80 years.
The Attorney-General: You know now that that is not
true ?—The witness: No, I do not; and then she proceeded
to say in answer to other questions—l know that Dr. Gully
has a wife living in Brighton. I _knew .that when I was at
Le ighant-court-road......l.liired_ at _the_ Leighana-court-road
about two )tars with Mrs. Ricardo, and: then we moved to
the Priory at Balham. Gully then moved close to the
Priory— at least he movMetee his present residence before
Mrs Ricardo moved Into the Priory. The lease of his
houso was out in the Lelgham-3ouri-road. I have seen him-
kiss her at the Leighatn-oeurt-read. I did not know of his '
staying late except when she was dangerously ill, and at that
time I was in her bed-room. I did not know if the servants
complained of her oonduct with Dr. Gay. They never com-
plained tome. I remember a servant narrpol Brrrel, who was'
lady's maid. She came from Colonel Gardiner's family. I
remember that I wrote after her eharact.r4 She did not stop
long. She did not c.mplain of Mrs. Ricardo, s conduct. While
Mrs. Ricardo lived in the Leighannceurt• road there were seen-
dans about her. I heard rumours ; but I did not believe them. I
lonew her too well. I knew of Mrs. Ricardo being awey with Dr. •
gully from time to time. They were not elope, for she had a '
%aid and Dr. Gully hart a servant. There was no lady friend
,tvith Mrs. Ricardo when she thus went away with Dr. finny.
They went to Italy together. They went in the January.
before I went to live with Mrs. Iticardo. • I do not know howls
elotig they /ere abroad that time—bet not long, I think. , y
Jenew she had gone with Dr. Clidly, and she wrote to me, and.,
'ehe mentioned she was with .Dr. Gully. The two servant
They had were Dr. Gully's man Pritcherd, had the maid Whilkt.
was named Plascot, now Mrs: Grifilthethe wife of the coaoba
man (examined at this inqtifry). /to ens else was with them
that I know of; no one that I ever heard of.
The Attorney General: Then you suppose that when they
went away thus—stayed away and went abroad—that their ,
conduct was always innocent 7—Witness: I supposed so,
certainly.
The Attorney-General: You thought it strange, did you
not I—Witness: Well, I did not think much about it. I did
not take the interest in hie then that I did erterwards.
The Attorney-Geueral : Did you hear all this before you
went to live with her—that she had gone travelling on the
Continent alone with Dr. Gay 7—Witness: Yes I heard of
It. I did not make any inquiries because I did not think it
necessary; I did not supp to that there Was anything wrong
in her going with him as a friend.
The Attorney-General—But sanely it Ls net usual for e laxly
In her position to do so ?.—The witness answered: Well, he
was an old gentleman; and then she proceeded: I did not
know he was her lover at that time. I did not know
of their going to Clifton together. When they were serty in
1872 I did not know of their going to the German baths.. I
think they went to Germany together in the year 18fL. I
did not go with them. She was at that time residing in the
Leigham-court-road. I think they set out in A:usurst for
Germany. They did not stay long there, bananas Airs Ricardo
was not well. A maid named Humphreys, went with them.
Pritchard did, not go too. I don't know where this maid is
now. Thera was a maid in Mrs. Ric,ardoes service named
Rowlands. That maid left before the marriage of Mrs.
Ricardo to Mr. Bravo. Ido not know what has becoaass of
her. When Dr. Gully and Mrs. Ricardo went to Germany,
they were going to Biseingen. I do not know that they
passed as man and wife there—Dr. Gaily and Mrs Ricardo.
I had no reason to believe so. I corresponded with Mrs.
letcardo. I may have some of her letters—l am not sure. I
don't know the addre.s they stayed: I have net the slightest
recollection of the address, nor of the name of the house—
whether or not it was at a Madame Ventriple's, I cannot say.
I donut know at all The meld Humphreys came back I
did not ask her or Plascot, when she came back, if they lived
together. I made no inquiries I addressed letters for Mrs.
Ricardo, of course, to Mrs. Ricardo. Ido not remember If I
addressed her at the pest-office of the towns. Ido not think
they were away a month In Germany.
The Attorney-General: Before they went, you knew that
Dr. Gully had been visiting Mrs. Ricardo 7—Witness: I must
have known that he had been coming to see her.
. The Attorney General: As her lover ?—The witness was
Anent, and the Attorney General repeated the question, and
,the witness remained silent. The Court wetted for an answer,
'elemt none came, and the witness sat engaged In quietly Neese.
Zing the table with tier hand. Is no answer was offered to
the question, the Attorney-General rose and pointed to the
clock, the hands of which now pointed to luncheon time.
• The Court then rose, and the jurymen and others engaged
in the business there widerwent the usual trial in straggling
~in
and out of the place. •
• On the Court re-assembling, the Attorney-General resumed
his cross-examination el Mrs. Cox, and she Atelier deposed,
—They (Dr. Gully and 'Mrs. Ricardo)
went
to
August, 1873, and came beck in September.
They mweenntY to
in
other places besides Kiesingene-ehey went to Dresden. Only
the maid Humphreys wenteritti them.
The Attorney Gineral: At the time they went, did you not
know they were lovers ?-e-Witness ; Well I do not exaetly
know what you mean by "lovers," and Dr. Gully as her
"lover." I should like to knew what you mean.
The Attorney Gsneral: You know that he was fond of her,
and that she was very fond of hist ; that they were more
than "Mere friends? " Witness: Well, I knew she was fond
of him. He was -extremely clever.
The Attorney-General: You know she loved him?—Wit-
-
neas :I know she was fondifel him.
The AtWrney•General Efli you not go further 2—Wei-
nests : No. Well, if Dr. Gully had not been married it might
have been a match. .anen
The Attorneyeeteneral : Now, do you or do you not know
that she had'agreed to marry him when his wife died:—
Witness: Yes, I know that.

The Attorney-General : You know that she had arranged to
' marry Dr. Gully when his wife died f—Witness : Yes I
believe she bad so arranged. 'the witness conttnued,—l
do not know how old Mrs. Gully is, but I believe she is
over ninety, and I believe she has been separated from
Dr. Gully about thirty years. The move to the Fr(o!),
was In March, 1874, ard the time Dr. Gully "and Mrs.
Ricirdo went on the German trip WAS when they lived
ht the Leigham-court-road.. . When 1 was with her we
went to Dev.ni and Cornwall,. stncl Dr. Gully with us.
I forget the name of the maid who went with Mrs. Ricrsrdo
Ido not remember the name of the maid. This was before
the trip to Italy. The trip to Cornwall and Devon lasted
three weeks. We stayed at Exeter, and Mrs. Ricardo and
myself went to Torquay by 0w...3,1va* for a night, and we
went back and went with Dr Gaily to Elgesombe and
afterwards to Ilfracombe We stayed in hotels, but at
Ilfracombe we stayed in lodgings. Dr. Gully stayed with
as at hotels And lodgings. I don't remember where we
stayed or the names of the people with whom we lodged.
DriStiitiy : and .Mr,
,Jitcard4 had preilents pass between
them, litit'rsboilid toT fay "very' -many." I ion t-thtak
we went anywhere else before we went to the pri,,,,,,
Oh, yes: we went to Bognor for a fortnight. Dr. Gad),
stayed in the same house during the time we were at Bogig.,r.
I don't remember our going anywhere else when we were
in the Leigham•court road. I thought Dr. Gully was yen-
clever n answer to the question g she liked 'Vim). I hal4
only ived "treatments' hl letters frAm him: Ma WA 2
wri me from abroad. I told him all axial my'llilit
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