The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1858-03-23 00:00:00

FRIDAY_.

Their Lordships met at five o'clock.
In answer to a question from Earl GRANVILLE,
The Earl of DERBY said, he would state on Monday
next the course the Government intended to take with
regard to the transaction of public business and the
adjournment of the House for the Easter recess.
The report of amendments to the Church of England
Special Services Bill was received.
The Marquis of CLaNaicAnms asked whether it was
the intention of the Government so far to alter the
system of national education in Ireland as to extend any
portion of the Parliamentary grants to church schools
in that country? Nothing would be more injurious
than such a measure. The present system was working
well, and it would be • great misfortune, on many ac-
counts, if it should be disturbed. He hoped no deter-
mination of the kind had been come to by the Govern-
ment. . . . . .

The Earl of DEBBY stated that the Government had
no intention of changing the present system, which had
been a great benefit to Ireland. He regretted that •
system of united education had failed, and that certain
scruples felt by clergymen of the Church of England had
compelled them to refrain from taking such a part in
the present system as they might have done. He re-
gretted, also, that under the present system no facilities
whatever were given for that separate religious instruc-
tion which was intended by the original scheme. But
with all its defects it was important that the present
system should be adhered to, and Her Majesty's Govern-
nient would be no party to anything that would impair
its operation. This did not exclude • oonsideration
whether some assistance might not be furnished to
schools founded on a different system. But no altera-
tion would be made in the present distribution of
the funds without the previous assent of Parliament.
On the motion for the third reading of the East India

Loan Bill,
Lord MONTICAGLZ objected that it did not appear dis-
tinctly for what purpose the loan was raised. It might
be applied to many purposes without violating the prin-
ciple of the Bill. The extent to which the revenue of
England might be hereafter connected with the revenue
of India was a very important question.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH thought it the first duty
of those at the head of Indian affairs to make the Indian
expenditure come within the revenue, so as to prevent
any burden falling on this country. This he believed,.
might be done; he was resolved to succeed in making
such • reduction, if success were possible, even if it
gained him, as at a former period, great unpopularity.
This, to him, would be of small amount. He was deter-
mined to make reductions in every direction that would
be consistent with the efficiency of the public service,
and particularly in the military expenditure. Under
proper administration he had the utmost confidence in
the future resources of India.

Earl GRANVILLE denied that the present Bile recog-
nized the principle that England was to be responsible
for the debts of India.

Earl GREY thought such a principle could not be too
strictly guarded against. The Indian revenues alone
must be pledged for Indian loans, and if properly
governed he believed the security of its revenues • very
good ,one. The calamity of the mutiny might produce
this good, that it would enable us to reduce the number
of the native army, which had hitherto been dispropor-
tionally large.
The Marquis of CLAYIRICA.RDE believed a reduction of
expenditure was required in other than the military
departments. The salaries in the Civil department of
the Indian Government were {exorbitant.

The Bill was read a third time, and passed.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY.
The East India Loan Bill was read a third time, and
passed.
The CnAnontott of the Recierunsin said he wialted
to remove from the publie mind • misconception with
reference to the case Of the Ogg!lir'. The present
Government bad felt it to be their duty to submit a cos/
to the present law advisers of the Crown, and when
I their opinion was obtained and duly deliberated upon
they would act in the interests of law, right, and jut/that,
recognizing sovereign, rights, and vindicating those of
our fellow-subject*. R was their opinion that, under
I the peculiar and exceptional eircumstanoes of the ease,
it would be their duty to lay the opinion of the law o
cers of the Crown before the House.
Lord PALMERSTON said he warn glad Wearer that It
WU the intention of Her Majesty's Government to lay
before Parliament the whole of the papers in thig
On the report of the Committee of Supply,
Mr. OSBORNE complained of the unparliarnentary
course pursued by the present Government in obtaining
from an intelligible declaration of their principles and
policy, adverting sarcastically to the expositions of that
policy given in the House of Lords and upon the host-
Inge. The Government, ho observed, had come into
office with an acknowledged minority, and they called
for three things—for time, forbearance, and money.
But before the House granted these three demand' it
was bound to ask what were their claims, and to inquire
what their conduct had been.
I The CHANaELton of the ExcitsQuen disavowed any
intentional direepect towards the House in not present.
ing a programtne of the measures the present Govern-
ment intended to introduce, lie appealed to the prac-
tice of preeeding Administrations, in one of which Mr.
Osborne himself was a member. It was much better,
when the general principle. of a political connexion
were known, that every measure should be brought
separately before Parliament than • long catalogue of
measures whioh were never passed. The pohey of the
present Administration was Conservative; they Wiebed to
preserve and to improve the institutions of the country.
As to the East India Bill, he denied that there had been
the slightest inoonsistency on their part, and the course
they proposed to take in respect to that question would
be coneistent, and, he believed, eminently satisfactory to
the country. Before Raster Parliament and the country
would be able to judge. Their Irish policy would be the
Caine so had been heretofore adopted Lord Eglintoun.
The system of national education in that oonntry would
be held Inviolate; but if that system could be coin-
bined with a just relief of church schools, which now I
received no assistance from the State, it was a ques-
tion which well deserved the oonaideration of hallo.
ment. With respect to Parliamentary Reform, at the
accession of Sir R. Peal to power after the passir.g of the
Reform Bill he had accepted that measure heartily and
sincerely as a settled question, and in that compact the
Conservative party honestly ooucurred. When, how-
ever, they were told by the leader of the Whig party
that there must be another Reform Bill, from
that moment the Conservative party held them'
selves free to consider that measure, 'which
was not to be taken up and laid down for
party purposes, upon its merits. They felt it to be their
duty, under the circumstances, to consider that ques-
tion, and would endeavour to frame a measure that
would be satisfactory to sober-minded people. It would
not be a Bill to prop up a political party, or to serve the
intereete of a particular class, but would be founded
upon principles of general justice.
Mr. HORBMAN observed that three courses might be
pursued towards the present Administration--by a hos-
tile vote to eject them at once from office; or to go on
day after day making eloquent attacks upon them ; or
to extend courtesy towards them, as servants of the
Crown, and postpone till another occasion a decisive vote
against them. The first and last were legitimate
courses; but he objected to the second. The downfall
of the late Government and the disorganization of the
party he attributed to one cause—namely, the fatal and
inveterate habit of Lord Palmerston of always looking to
the Opposition benches for support, and turning the cold
shoulder to his own party; of converting and neutral-
izing his foes rather than confirming his friends. He
reviewed some of the proceedings of the late Govern-
ment, which he brought, he said, to the recollection of
Lord Palmerston, in order that they might be well pon-
dered on before he came again into office.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not want from the pre-
sent Government a declaration of their policy. With
respect to the question of reform, he complained that
Mr. Disraeli had given an unfair and unfounded descrip-
tion of the Reform Bill in a speech to the electors of
Backs, and had cast a reproach upon the authors of that
Bill (among whom was Lord Derby) which was totally
unjust and groundless. This charge, he said, proved
the spirit in which Mr. Disraeli would concoct a mea-
sure upon this subject, and he should look at such a
measure with suspicion.
After a few words from Mr. DRUMMOND,
Lord PALMERSTON, referring to what had fallen from
Mr. Horsman, observed that recent events had shown
that we could not place much reliance upon the support
of the other side of the House. He had felt, and should
still feel it his duty, when head of the Government, to
receive gladly the support of members from every corner
of the House.
The report was then agreed to.
After souse business the House adjourned at 5 minutes
to 9 o'clock.