The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1860-02-28 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-MONDAY.

Lord PAL3II3IBTON ins.st...l that tile ,objecting au the
clauses of the treaty to tie control of P..rlianient would
be contrary to the fun iainental rrinciple of the Con-
stitution. The Gov.:run 001, lie said, intended to give
the House at. opportunity to cm r. tot its opinion upon
the treaty in the None nianner as Mr. Pitt had done in
1787. He concluded vrith a brief but spirited reply to
Mr. Horsundi.
Upon a division the amendment was negatived by
293 to 230, and the House went into a Committee on
the Customs Acts, the CIILAIKNIAN itUlUediakiy reported

prozrem.
The report of the Committee of Supply was brought
up, aml after an explanation by Mr. S. HILUDEUT in
reply to Sir H. Willoughby, was agreed to.
The other orders were disposed of, and, after some
further Madness, the House adjourned at fire minutes
to 1 o'clock.

After the presentation of • host of petitions, chiefly
relating to the budget, and replies to various questions,
on the order for going into Committee ell on the
Customs Acta, Mr. Du Cane and Mr. Lindsay having
postponed amendments of which they had given
notice,
Mr. DISRAELI moved the following resolution :
" That this House does not thing tit to go into Committee
on the Customs' Acts, with • vies to the reduction or
repeal of the duties referred to in the treoty of von-
inerce, between Her Majesty and the Emperor of the
French until it shall hove considered and assented to
the engagements in that treaty." ha promised
that it was not his intention to give any °pinto'
upon the policy or provisions of the treaty with
France, or upon the recent financial statement of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. Although he and his
party regretted that, from the peculiar manner in which
public business had been brought before the House by
the Goveniment, they were obliged to precipitate con-
clusions which ought to be postponed until many pre-
liminary discussions had Liken ploce which might
modify their npini.no, he ha,i .eeuie.l it hi. July to
give notice of this resolution, in order to afford the
, House an opportunity of remedying an evil of nu slight
magnitude ; for if the House should go into committee
upon the Customs' Acts, and adopt the resolutions of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the treaty would, in
his °Onion, never come before the House. He thought
the House could not du better, in order to extricate
itself from • difficult and humiliating position than
follow the precedent of the treaty with France of 1766.
Mr. Pitt in the following year called the attention of
the House of Connuons to the French treaty, moving
resolutions which embodied the gist of the treaty;
those resolutions were passed and reported ; an address
to the Crown was agreed to, which was neul up to the
House of Lords, and it was not until both Houses hal
concurred in the address, and Parliament hail had • con.
stitutional opportunity of considering the treaty, that
Mr. Pitt introduced•his Consolidot Act. As to the
fonu of the treaty, it appeared to him to be an instru-
ment devised to silence the voice of one I.gislature ;
let it not, be said, deprive another Legislature of its •
privileges.
The CHANCELLORof the EXCHEQUER, said Mr. Disraeli,
in calling the attention of the House to • subject which
was strictly • point of procedure, hail introduced extrane-
ous topics into lila speech ; for the question was •
narrow one, though of great importance. He contended
that Mr. Disraeli was correct neither in his facts nor
his principle. He read from the journals of the Rouse
mum of the resolutions moved by Mr. Pitt in 1757, and
some of the proceedings thereupon, and lie denied that
the Government hail witlidraon the treaty f the
cognisance of the House or abandoned the precedent of
Mr. Pitt. He could not understand, lie gala, what were

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Mr. Disraeli's notions of the respective functions of the
Crown and of Parlissuent in respect to treaties. lie in-
tisted that the Govern inent lisd followed I I •st:. nt ially the

preoedent of Mr. Pitt, with due allowance for' the
change of ciacumstanoes and of the law. But whether
the tainrse they had taken was right or wromt, he
wanted to know what it wax the House could do on a
message from the Crown which it could not do on
papers presented to the House The proposition was
puerile. The Government had held it to be their first
duty, without interpoaing difficulties, to bring under the
cognisance of Parliament the moat vital mid aubitantial
parts of the treaty. If they had erred on any point it
was by too rigid an adherence to the precedent of Mr.
Pitt. The real sin of the Government. as he unit. r.
stood, was that they hail combined the treaty and the
Budget ; that is, that they ought to have
reduced at once the duties main French wines mid
spirits by reaolution, which must have taken effect im-
mediately. He concluded a most lirilliant speech by
showing the consequence of this course, which would
have had the effect, he said, of rewiring the ilyateus of
differential duties.
Sir H. CAIRNS contended that, by the course now
puniuctl, should the House hereafter object to certain
articles in the treaty not affecting duties, the Customs'
revolutions, having been passed, the mischief would have
been done, cud the House:amid not have gone back.
The Arroitsitt-Gasensh replied to Sir H. Cairns,
and contended that the alterations of the law proposed
by the resolutions with reference to the treaty brought
the propriety of the whole treaty at once into the field
of discussion, the treaty being the ground of the altera-
tion of the law.
Sir F. KULL/. disputed the construction put by the
Chancellor of the Exchemer upon the 14t1m and 20th
1 articles of the treaty, the effect of which was that the
treaty would be invalid until the whole, in its entirety,
shall have been sanctioned by Parliament. The diffi-
culty would have been avoided by • strict adherence to
the precedent of 1787.
Mr. NICWDEGATR maintained that the course taken
by the Government was not only repugnant to the pre-
cedent set by Mr. Pitt, but was not consistent with the
practice of the House. He protested against the treaty
as one-aided.
Mr. AT RTON observed that the Government were for
the first time invited to depart from the established
usages of the Constitution and enter upon a counie
hitherto, he believed, unknown. Ile should vote for
I the amendment.

W EDS EsDAy.

On the order for going into c ~,,, iiiittee upon the Public
Improvements Bill, moved hy Mr. SEAN Et,
Mr. WaLTICK calico attention to a peculiar eireutn•
stance connected with the Bill, to the object of which,
he ...aid, he was not unfavourable. The principle in
church-rates was that the in:ijority bind the
11l ill inky. and if that principle were no longer to rule in
church-rates, lie did not see why it el lei be applied in
effecting public improveinents. This Bill provided that
where two-thirds of a parish agreed to certain public
improvements, it should he Culepett lit to them to tait
the remaining thiril,—a principle which was resisted in
the ease of church-rates. He did not object to the
majority binding the minority if the principle were con-
sistently carried out. Ile moved to defer the committee
for six months.
After a short discussion, in which Mr. HENLEY and
Sir G. GREY urged objections to the machinery of the
Bill, the amendment anti the original inotiou were both
withdrawn.
Sir C. BERME moved the second reading of the
Window Cleaning Bill.
The Bill, the principle of which was supported by
Mr. PAYEE and Sir O. Peengiti, was severely handled
by Sir F. Gobaunin, Mr..l Aura, mail Mr. it. BERKELEY.
Sir G. tlitt:r thought the Bill open to considerable
objections; and
Sir G. LEWIS, regarding it as founded upon a
perversion of a legisltive principle, inured to defer the
second reading fur six months; rod this amenduseut was
agreed to.
The Howe then went into Co 1111 l iittee upon the
Attorneys and Solicitors' Bill, the clauses f which were
agreed to, with mumailinenta, after discussion.
On the order for the second reading of the ElectiOn
Petitions Act (l84S) A uleudinent Bill,
Mr. J Ants pointed out the monstrous abuses itttelld•
int( the presentation and withdrawal of elestbm petitions,
and reco 11111 l ended that the subject anuuld be referred to
a select committee.
Sir O. LLwis observed upon the difficulties arising
from the c.oullict between private rights and public
objects in the mutter of election petitions, and suggestaA
that the Bill should he read a semnul time and referred
to the Bribery Committee.
Sir F. KELLY concurred in this suggestion.
Iluumi said his simple object hail been to remedy
• specific grievance--the presentation of frivolous or
vexatious petitions ; but, if it 41.• thought better that
there should be a larger inquiry lie hail in objection to
' the Bill being referred toe select cuuswittee, not that on
bribe ry.
After • short debate, turning principally upon the
question to a list .oniutittee the hill should he referred,
it was read a lei:idol time. On the question that it he
referred to a select 'tree, the debate was adjourned.
The Charitable Uses Bill passed through committee.
The Dwellings for Labouring Cliad,ll (Ireland) Bill
was read • Second time.
Mr. W. D. tiElliollt obtained leave to bring in •
Bill to minuend the jurisdiction of the High Courts of
Admiralty,
The llouse adjourned at • quarter to 6 o'clock.

Mr. M LIN n complained that an attempt was made to
drive the House into a unction of the treaty by a aide-
wind.

Mr. BRIGHT, after listening to the debate, WAS at a
loss to tell what WAS the question they were discussing.
He could not find out, he said, from the resolution or the
speech of Mr. Disraeli what was the real object or pur-
pose of the motion. If he sat on the ether side of the
House, instead of carping at the treaty and making it
the stalking-horse of party, lie would attack it in a
manly way. A portion of the members opposite were
very much annoyed at the treaty ; then, why not bring
forward a motion and say so He was of opinion that
the Govermuent had taken the right course ; but
say that their policy WILA had, the treaty bad, and the
Budget bad; let the course taken be a straightforward
one, let an explicit resolution be brought forward, and
the question be discussed upon its merits.
Mr. S. FITZGERALD said, what he wanted was a com-
mittee that could coosider all the clauses of the treaty
rtsluiring the assent of Parliament.
Lord J. Rusagtt observed that the Government, on
the contrary, proposed to bring before Parliament all
the clauses requiring the assent of the 110.1/le, and then
, to move an addresa to the Crown on the subject of the
treaty. This Was the course which Mr. Pitt adopted,
and it was the only course which Parliament could
rationally pursue. He agreed with Mr. Bright that the
proposition involved in the treaty, which WAS a large
one, ought to have been met by • resolution putting
its principle fairly in tissue. To endeavour to harsss
the Home by questions as to the form of procedure was
unworthy of a great party.
Mr. HORSMAN imputed to the Government a double
policy, treaty of commerce and a rivalry of armaments,
Leading to expenses of peace and expenses of wai,
which was not satisfactory to the country, any more
than reducing the duties on luxuries and taxing the
neerseries of tin poor.

THURSDAY.

After some preliminary 1111411 CM (in the
which the CIWICILLuiI of the EICIUNIAB

course of
intiusated

that he had abancltned his isstenticn to license eating
houses to retail beer), the adjourned debate on Mr. Du
Cane's motion was ri sullied by
11r. IIuSHARD, uho instituted a comparison between
the commotion; wade by Diglaud under the treaty and
them made by France ; the former being large and im-
portant and th : latter almost nothing. lie instanced
coal, upon which we had engaged to levy no duty;
France, although she had caul, having none to export.
He could n t congratulate the 'satins, he said, upon
an asiditiou 1 MC 0111,4011 as the price of • lesson upon
political cc inoiny by Mr. Cobden to the Emperor of
the French. From the treaty he turned to the budget,
and pointed out the practical evils that would, in his
opinion, attend the stamp duty upon *Attracts and dock
warrants in hiudratice to trade, annoyance, and lass, and
the charges to be levied upon certain operations in
warehouses. His concentrated assault, however, fell
upon the increased income-tax, which was to bear the
brunt, lie observed, of the reductions under the treaty,-
TUESDAY. and fill up the chasm they created. commenting upon
3fr. Do Cext moved the following resolution : the injurious and utiequal action of this engine of en-
That this House, recognizing the necessity of provid- torti tttt , which he stigmatized in its present form as •
ing for the increased expenditure of the coming Mean- disgrace to the intelligence of the age, lie concluded
cial year, is of opinion that it is not eepedient to add to by an earnest protest &planet the remissions of duties as
the existing deficiency by diminishing the ordinary most unwiee, and against the aggravated imposition of
revenue, and is nut preparml to disappoint the just ex• the income-tax and the multiplication of new and
pectations of the country by re-inspoing the Income- harassing inspiesta.
tax at an utincemsarily high rate." He ohjecteil to the Mr. liategs considered the scheme of the Government
Budget, he said, first, because it appeared to hint that as safe, comprehensive, and wise, as a whole. He gave
while it failed to grapple with the financial exigenciee • wenn, though nut an unqualified ament to this great
of the country, it would increase our fineecial iiifficul- plan upon these broad grounds. It was a completion of
ties; secondly, because the principal reduction of taxa. the fabric of free trade ; in the taxes remitted regard
Wit—namely of the duties on wines mil paper, was in. was had to the interest,' of consumers, the bulk of the
opportune at the present moment, when he found the "onion ; and it establieheil new bonds of friendship and
Income-tax raised to so high • rate ; and, lastly, he commercial intercourse between England and her nearest
objected to the Budget, because it was based mein an neighbour. He dwelt upon the advantages which had
unnecessary and one-eiimed commercial treaty. Premed- been the fruit of our mogressive advance* in the path of
ing to show the main features of our present financial free trade, in the vino expansion of our commerce, the
position, and the manner in which it was propmed to iimirovement in every branch of industry, and the in'
deal with it, he went through the details of the Budget, crease of mei tttt al wealth.
which, according to the calculation of the Chancellor of Hr. BLAtiIIiURN denied that the budget was entitled
the Exchequer, would, lie mid, leave a surplus at the tam be received as a free trade eclicuie, inasmuch as verb
end °tithe year of £170,000, but thulprishable deficiency ous duties remitted or reduced were not protective
ot the succeeding financial year Mr. lei Cane computed duties. The reiniesione were not for the good of consuno
at not far off nlaallealleth He &eked the House to cm- ers, but for the benefit supposed to be derived under the
oiler what VMS 111:clY to he the consequence of such a French treaty and for the particular advantage of Ger-
etate of things mem a reformed Parliament. Cut off lain interext, in this country, which was the very Gen-
tile must useful E.mrce, of ineirect taeation, the House verse of free Lade.
would either seize eit li avivity upon time Ineounntax as Mr Moisit insieted upon the stimulus which the
• permanent feature of the revenue. end carry it to A Milli thin of duty gees to consumption. The income-
lesigth that weld,' make it utterly oppressive and intol- ten lie regarded, in its preeentiono, as not only unjust,
cents's.: ; or. on the other haiiii, it would prove en igsio• bee imp t ; ttt e. mil he einteeeted modes by which its evils
rant impatience of taxation in the Home, soul induce under either head might he obviated. The treaty he
it to mein to the miserable, elev.-eating entuoiny looked mein as a great fact that would contribute to
which had already led to such disestroun results on the extend the doctrines of free trade.
delenees of the country. After • detailed exa ttt itt Akin Mr. IlluiitseALL said he found fault with the treaty
of the policy auil cinch, of reducing the wine ilutim, Ise on the ground that it made no Inference whatever to
discumeil the proleoal to eleilien the paper duty, aro. the ilisadvautege under which British 'lipping 'about eil
ing, upon the theory of meat avowed by the Govern- in compansidi with American 'dapping in the ports of
utast its 11457, that if there was one tax more than France, which operated as a differential duty in favour
another which the present Ado ti tt istration ought to have ef cotton brought from America in American ships.
left entindy mitouei.ed, it was thud on paper. Other He could Out, however, support the 'notion. If it hail
taws and other questions involved in the Budget he been confined to the income-tax lie should have felt it
left, he said, to their appropriate champions, and pro- hid duty lo seipeort it, but be could nut vote for a rcemo-
ceeiled to his final accusation, that the Budget was lotion negativing a scheme ellielt would sweet' array
lamed upon • onesotled and un-calliel for con ttttt ircial from the tariff so many vexatious duties, and thereby
treaty, which was, he enntended. neither a free-trade give an impulse to trade.
nor • recurs-city treaty; which cut off arbitrarily Mr. liv so said he looked upon the budget and the
various sources of nelirect taxation, end fetterml the commerce.' treaty as one, and, although minor details
whole system of our taxation for yea to come, might require correction, he could not be led away from
Mr. Gowee defended the tie Ay, arguing that its giving his assent to this great and comprehensive
stipulations jnetilied it inediett the objections founded *chime, which would promote the principle of free
upon the free-trade theory, and apis.oiling to examples trade, peece on earth, and good will towards men,
which demonstrated that large rethietione of duty were Mr. Mace supported the motion. He plained of
invariably followed by an enor ttttt us increase of Cell. the advantages which the treaty gave to Frence, and
sutuption. Ile complained o the ill return made to the that other taxes, besides that on paper, which pressed
Emperor of the French for the moral courage he had re heavily upon the industry of the country, had at
exhibited in his adoption of free-trails, principles, by i least an renal chant to • place in the budget.
cavilling it the manner. ' Eir F. BARING said lie hail never been hod& to cow
laird It 1108Taia. thou ;lit that politically the treaty I issereiel treaties, and had no objection to bargain with
could not be so well ili fruited as •reially, hut here : France ; but lie did not object to our excluding our-
: 'elves (nen taking the bailie course with another coun-
there were inequalities ana anomalies. Ile lint it hi the
House whether it would accept such • treaty with an I try. While we made a commercial treaty with France
inert...A income-tax. we eacrificed the possibility of negociating such a treaty
with Spain. lie proceeded to consider the advinitages
Mr. BAXTER considered the Bedget as the very best
that had heel, proposed Same the days of sir Its Peel, eepecteil from the tresty. and showed that while reduc-
Mr. Lions ht, iouederesi that tile :nivantages °trend lion of Mity had ammehted the consumption of tea and
by the treaty were not to lie immured by the gain or voger, *lto Name effect lied not followed in the case ol
lea: of une side or the salter. Politically WA commer- wine iind siiiiiits. But there were political reaming, lie
cally, the treaty, he It, might, as, right. Ile objected observed, bun the treaty ; then, why nut form enamour-
to the t•iin, beeause it was an Contact reeolutein en cial treats-mu with other Power.? Ile was ileeirous of
• matter of finance, whied di newled in the circuni- being on the t friendly terms with France ' • but, in
et diem of the t is alai the eXI,.;00.1111 of time State at regard to it.dy, although England wished Italy to he
the •t. Ile was prepared to 'mike the great Ice. Pro p Dm,. and independent of other countries, he
sacrifice required by the Budget for the pun.e of I did not lead ti at to be the policy of France, and he did
cementing the ethane., with France, believing that the not desire that we should connect ourodees with that
was the policy. Atter some remarks upon the tariff, the stemp
extension of triad° with that great country
best security for the prosperity and peaCe of the duties, en I the paper duty, he called the attention of the
world. I fume Per olsly to the mite in which the finance* of the
Mr. DoDisoN was inclined to think flint the treaty country would be left if the budget was passed. It was
was commercielly wresig. but politically right. The Propos d. he obeerveil. As continue the income-tax for
reduction of the duties cm witic, unless followed by a I came year wore ; but what did the Hilefe suppose would
reduction if the malt duty, would operate as is iliffereto le, the deficiency in lelll-112? Taking the expenditure
to lie the same as now, the deficiency would be
tie) tax imi favour of foreign +Ville+. 11C Culliiiiierell
that iiiiciAl habit.. rather than Mites affected the Coll- 1:1,500,600 at least. But then, it would be said, there
etimption of wine. But huannial comeleravions iiiiu,t would be the income-tax at 10d., and the war duties on
give way to general policy, Rad. if the treaty Mom the tea stud sugar again cotsfnued. This, however, would
etrect of removing suepicioes, nuA enabling the EillpieroC I not ilo ; there would still be • deficiency of £IA/0,000
of the Fneich to reduce &dice on Ina side. in liiii or neeelnea° end ii• w tine, would be iadiepens Ark.
opinion, it was worth the 11.1CCiliCe ut *owe political coin Mr. Bemire obierv• il that the speech which the
eistency and none TeVellUe. HOU+O had just heaid w w that of • mind which clung
After some remark.; hy Mr. D ovsoe, very emelt :0 the paet. and retertained doubts with re-
gent to the future. Every part of it held up souie hob-
Mr. Celisstatv astoerved that the position of the Chen-
cellar of the Exchequer wee oils, of very great difficulty : gohlin to pre" emit them from 'icemen.; the course which,
we hail a large deficiency if roenue in a time ut hr 11442, hail proved most wise. There was but one
external pea, and internal prionveilty, and when °Pinion eaPreweil in the country avith respect to the
general prepoetion et the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
upward* of E2,000,f100 of tern ttttt ible mouities bad
fallen in. All this indiculty anise froin the expanse of niel the mistime which was a fair one, went to defeat
our armaments, whirl' chwe ma tttttttttttt relations with the whole 'scheme, to reject the budget and the treaty,
France would enable us to reouce. The treaty and the nuil to overthrow the isoveniment. The result of this
budget hail, lie said, given the greatevt satisfaction to would be a new budget, inilireet taxes, and, at the same
Ins constituent A. time, an marangessiesit from France, which he thought
Mr. II ea: is esehe complained of the small a ttttt unt of would be very unfortunate. It had been objected to
gem which the I.l+lll, - of duties under the Itadget the treaty that the adivaiitage wm all ell the side of
would give hi Leland in Cuelp,triiioll with 4rigiand ; FhillCie ; bllt lIC Conti:llolW' that, On the face of the
English consumers would gain tr.so,uuto, and lee4l con- treaty, concession fur concemion, the French gave to us
miners only DOI. Ile compleined likewise of the at least five titers as much as we gave to them; and
retention of the war duty on tea, which checked cum that when tlie treaty came into force our trade with
sumption. France, whieh was now RIUIOBI, Nil, Would rank her with
Mr. Dere believed thit the treaty would be a great some of our best cuennuens. A phautom of an argu-
benefit. and the palming of it at °tie time aa enor ttttt lei went hail been rammed on the subject of coal, but this
advantage to Eor.upe. The 'amplification of the tariff eue•o•hm. with Meld to the nave of France, was a mere
would be au immense benefit. bagatelle. The whole it the coal repined by the French
Sir S. Nouritiiiire cordially admitted the great melee 'levy was only 150.1100 tone. He excused the &li-
ef the riCheliir beliire the llouee. mil that it containea a Penn. of the French on the ground that he had to deal
great deal of eteriing gold. But gold might he bought with an "festinate Protectionist ',arty, there being Chows
too dear, and the iinvetion Was wlo. :her submit ass Ira in France as well as in England. But the tseate,
offered was worth the. price to be paid tor it. After lei olieerveill, was but a part uf the proposition of the
noticing certain smitten, in connexion with the treaty at Chancellor of the Excheiner, who proposed to reduce
and simplify time tariff, and to ;abolish the bated excise
variance with free trade principles. 81111 admitting the
great advantagee tlint might be derived by our trade upon Japer. and he asked the eliminate of the budget
from the trusty, which unole a breach in the French I whether 14., or IT, or Gil. in the pound Income-tax
sptesii of protection, lie explained hie ohjecti tttt *to the ear too much to pay for the great good which the conta-
in:64lle, and armed that the remissions and reuluct. • try would rcreive fr I. The echo'. carried out the
of duties would: in spite of the elmticity of the et-some, policy of Sr Rohe° Peel ; the effects of that policy had
let-u,scenes,' felt, and no one now denied that it was a
leave • lerge deficiency, to he iluelt with by a crippled
taxation ; and that tins wax tssu high a pike to LC paid wile one. But, although lie spoke thus in (avow of the
for the advantages offered lq the scheme. The reforms treaty, the budget, mit the relaxations of the tariff, lie
of Sir R. Peel were enormously suceeesful because he was not unmindful of one great blot in the statement of
had a virgin ;MI. He dealt with our indirect taxation ; the Ilona:1km of the Exchequer ; lie alluded to the
Chic direct taxation should now be dealt with ; but the 'eighth'', the scandalous expenditure. He ridiculed
Dover tttttt int were thnewing away an opeortunity of the notion °sat there wae any 'aroinet for apprehension
dealing with the direct taxation as Sir R. Peel hail of evil designs liy France, and &eked why it was that,
dealt with the indirect taxation. He could not under. with prefessions of perfect amity on our part, and a
stand the scheme of tl.e Govei ttttt mit, unless it Was in. commercial treaty, there should be so vast an increase
tended to cut down expenditure, to postpone obliga- in our sstimates. It was, lie said, a wonderful incon-
sistency or a great an 1 fatal hypocrisy, and soiueboily
tents, or to Create ii. lit,
Mr. An lITON was of op' • that the general policy mud lie guilty of an • ality the darkness of which
which 13.1 oictated the negotiat• of the treaty wee a Ise wanted Wiiella to describe.
Mr. Witireione, after a reply, seasoned with sarcasm,
wise and discreet policy, and V•at the iihjeet of the
treaty was just and legitineate. Tile geller.l scope aI to Mr. Bright, ilieciimed the treaty, which he termed a
the Budget entitled it to the reepect end affiniretion if partial and onewided inetrument. He especially con.
the country, and no man could impugn it on behalf of deemed the article binding England not to inipme a
the °when; of property. It was mid to be unjust to re- duty on the exportation of coal, which deprived the
duce indirect taxation a+ prupostr4 by the Chancellor of House, he said, of its legislative authority in the matter.
the Exchequer; but tide was not a reasonable mode of He returned to the speech of Mr. Bright, upon which
dealing with the elements of taaation ; it was at lie expended a good deal of declamation, lively, satirical,
and discursive ; end then attacked the finencial scheme
variance with every principle upon which duties upon
articles of ordinary coneumptiou had hitherto been re- of the Governinent,—the reduction of the wine duties,
dined. lie defended at minas length the repeal of the the repeal of the paper duty, and the income-tax, upon
paper duty, and advocated a pundimiient tumour-tax on the de ttttt rolixing anti sisiechievioes effects of which he
• just foundation. vehemently insisted, declaring the doubling of it to be
On the niution of Mr. HUBBARD, the debate was ad- ian . i I proposition, calculated to corrupt society.
jounied. The treaty, in his sij ti tt ion, ought to be reconsidered,
The Valuation of Rateable Property (Ireland) Bill and the budget. under the circumstances of the country,
passed the C 'nee, after a short ilocumani. I.e considered unwise and inexpedient.
The remaining bileinees liming been diermeil of. the Mn. thtelneeld. oh...creed that the motion deniurred to
House adjuurucil at • few 111111111,3 beiure 1 o'clock. nis particular article in the treaty, nor to any Prri-
- - tion in the budget, but raised the whole question o our
linancisl pulley in the fairest manner. He justified
the coulee proposed by the Government by the success
of the policy noun which it was founded, observing that
even where duties were altogether remitted it Was •
inixtake to inappose that 110 retunis to the Exchequer
were obtained by the reimesion. But retunis to the
Exchequer were not all the benefits conferred by the
noniesion of taxation ; it had trebled our foreign traae,
added to the wealth of every clam of the community,
ml • • • liml the expense of pauperism, and extended
social comforts.
On the motion of Mr. NEM:I6OI,TC the debate was
again adjourned.
The Valuation of Rateable Property (Ireland) Bill
ionised through committee.
After some further Ifinduess, the House adjourned at
.5 minutes before 1 o'clock.

FRILIAY.
After a long series of questions upon a great variety of
questions upon a great variety of subject+ had been put
and answered, the adjourned debate on Mr. Du Cane's
:notion was resumed by
Mr. ii WIWIIATR, who called attention to the discord.
puce between the treaty and the instructions for it, and
to the relative posit in which it placed Her Majesty
and the Enipenir of the French with reference to the
rest of the world, the stipulations enabling the Eiuperor
to represent all no tikinil. Ile condemned the financial
plan of the lluvernenetit,—the reduction of duties upon
luxuries, and the retention of those mon coffee, tea,
sugar, and inalt—artieles of prime necessity to the
people,—and warned the House that 1:12,01A),000 would
not represent the deficiency it would have to cope with
in the year 1861-62 and this deficiency Mr. Bright, he
said, threatsred to fasten, by direct taxation, upon real
pviperty.
Mr. BRIGHT, in explanation, said he had made
such a proposition.
Mr. OstionNit defended strenuously the reduction of
the duties on wines, which were luxuries, lie observed,
only because they were made so by exorbitant taxation,
the ii t. of which would be in various ways an
enormous benefit to the country, in the improvements of
morals as well as taste, lie was not prepared to say
that taking off the duty on paper at this time was quite
prudent, but he liked the budget so well that he would
swallow this part of it. As to the income- . tax the
addit. I 2d. was necessary because, since 1858,
k. 13,000.0011 had been added to the Army and Navy
expenditure ; hut lie anticipated that the treaty would
supply the MCFJI4 of dispensing with this tax.
Mr. BARING should Vlitell against the budget as it
third wee, and if he voted for the resolution lie should
do so solely to mark Iles MOM of the danger of relying
upon the system of parting with duties when there was
a deficency in the Exchequer.
Mr. M. Ginarig had heard with regret, he said, a per.
son of such high authority in the coinineral world as
Mr. Baring condemn the policy and financial arrange-
ment. of the Government ; but he recollected that Mr.
Baring hail been the uniform and persevering opponent
of commercial reform. In Ammer to the objections to •
commercial tttttt he cited precedents and authority, ob-
serving that Lord Derby hail actually been employed in
"" - such a treaty with France, and Lord italmes.

House refute its sanction to this treaty? There was,
he observed, a great feeling egainst the Income-tax ; but
1.,30,000,000 expended upon our military and navel
ornaments obviously itecessitated • high Income-tax ;
and he contended that it wax nut out of proportion to
our expenditure, being 36 lir cent, upon 1.10.000,010.
the same rate as when the tax wee first introduced. Ile
felt strongly that it would be mod unfortunate if the
House of Commons should allow out the French treaty
and put its re,' u; on the resniesions of duty proposed
by the Government on the greued that the Incoutt-tax
was a little too high.
Mr. WALPoLE observed, that the House was placed in
considerable embarrassment by so many questions, upon
which it was difficult to arrive at a definite issue being
rained in one debate, and that it would have been better
to confine the budget to the finances of the year, without
mixing it with questions of high State policy. The um-
tion of Mr. Du Cane confined the question to one single
issue, and if he thought it would defeat the French
treaty, the main provisions of which he deemed right,
lie would not vote fur it; but he explained the grounds
upon which he supported the motion. Ile condemned
the reduction and remission of duties that did not press
upon trade and industry, and asked upon what principle
I:1,000,000 paper duty could be given up when the only
effect was the imposition of the Id. in the pound income-
tax ? Every reason that could be assigned forth. aboli-
tion of the Exetee on paper might, lie Staid, he urged with
tenfold force against the COOCUUMICI: of the Income -tea,
upon the objections to which lie dwelt, coin oaring or
contrasting them with the feebler objections to the paper
duty. If he wanted another reason fur salmi/ding the
motion it would be that, next year, there would be •
deficiency as great or greater then at present.
The CH.% aCKLI.OIt of the Extsequeg said, after
listening to the speech of Mr. Walpole, lie could under-
stand his preinieees apart from his conclusion, or his
conclusion apart from his immolate., but it was • riddle
more hopeless than that of the Sphinx. Ile was favour-
able to the main features of the budget, favourable to
the treaty with France, and favourable to the mainte-
nance of the Government, yet he was about to vote for ,
the motion of Mr. 1/u Cane. After noticing some of the
topics discussed by Mr. Waliole and Mr. Baring, and an ,
indignant allusion to a speech of Sir J. Pakington at a
hop-grow-ens' meeting, denouncing the budget, he passed
to the general issue before the Howie, and the motion as
it stcod. The Midget, he obs_rvel, had been pronounced
in that House ambitious, audacious, and • bold experi-
ment upon the country ; but Mr. Bright hid given a
different description of it. He had PAW truly that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer could lay no claim to the
merit of I miginality ;I.e uotq•ly walls.-. 1 in the footalepa
of those who had gone before him. What, be asked,
was the motion? It declared that "it was not
expedient PO add to the exieting deficiency by diminish-
ing the ordinary revenue." Could this be reconciled
with the treaty? In its teens it was aimed at the very
life of the treaty. Hot much more than this. It was
an opinion repudiating and condemning the anus of our
co aaaaa tercial legislation for the lest 18 years. He re-
viewed the financial operations of 1842. 1815, and 1853,
and insisted that the pliin which the Government
proposed corresponded wfth those measures, referring
10 'Temi circumstances further justifying this COWS!,
the effect of which would be to add to our resources,
creating constantly growing funds by the remission of
taxes. He admitted that it INAP impossible to expect a
rapid return to • lower expenilitute ; but, being on a
high level of expenditure, let us, lie said, strengthen
ourselves by pursuing the course %Ilia in former years
had been found so efficacious. The stationary syetem of
finance recommended by the lion would sacrifice the
supply gained by past legislation, and provision must be
made by new taxes. He was quite luith.fied, be said, in
conclusion. with the joule rates. If Parliament was
to be reformed, the hest iiecurity they mild take was to
show that they had done justice to all dames while the
eld Sylitelli was in existence.
Mr. linsamod denied the exact similarity between
the measure the Chancellor of the Exchequer hail intro-
duced anti those he had referred to in 1842, 1815. and
HMI Of the budget he would say that it aimed at too
much, and provided too little. The Chancellor of the
Exchequer bad estimated his deficiency at 111.400,0011;
it would be • moderate estimate to add a million more
to the Army expenditure on acenetit of China; but,
taking the deficiency at only £11,418).000 for the next
year, he would find wanting the 1:1,44mM° for malt aid
hop credits. while .C 1,066,01.0 would be reinired for
Exchequer Minds. It was because Mr. Gladstmela
;dais was not like those he had cited that the motion
called upon the House to laden., end express all
opinion upou his pr,,pte.ition. With respect to the
treaty, he and hie party had no prejudices against a
commercial treaty with Frame ; on the contrary, if the
position of affairs permitted, iiething could be noire
desirable. • But his objection to this treaty was that it
was drawn with a want of forethought, of knowledge of
the cireminitances with which the negotiat tr had to
deal, and that by the treaty the deficiency under which
we are suffering would be largely increased, to the ex-
tent of el:ol.W° beyond the a 1111 l unt at width Mr.
Gladstone had calculated his loss. He exposed what lie
characterised as the great failures of the fannies budget
of ISA which he connected with that of IS6O. and
asked why, after these conspicuoue failures, the House
should put confidence in a will and improvideot pro-
ject of the *sine financier. Adverting to the state of
affair.; in Italy, he put it to the House whether this was
not a 111Oli011t when we ought not to buelmild OOP re-
sources instead of sacrificing portions of our ordinary

revenue.
Lord PALMYRAToN said he was not going to discuss the
extraneous topics introduced by Mr. Disraeli. He recalled
the House to the subject before it—a resolution which,
in a short compose. was one of the most important ever
submitted to it. The nettien involved two questions—
our commercial Mat' s with • foreign country and
the development of our national resources at ...... • ; it
naked the House to reject summarily and by anticipation
the treaty Ansi the Budget. If we were to face a large
expenditure, we ought to (loan we ouuld to increase our
resources ; and the two measures were directed to that
object, while they would spread over the other countries
of Europe the sound principle of co ...... ercial inter.
Upon • division, the motion was negatived by 339 to
The remaining bu:iness having been disposed of, the
House adjourned at balf•past 2 o'clock until Monday.