The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1871-06-03 00:00:00

THE TICHBORNE CASE.

The hearing of this ler gtheued and remarkable rare
wee again returnedon Twyday, the interest in which
culminates in the claimant, who, after other evidence
had been Risen, was put lot.) the witneea-bor. He
depoeed am follows -
mya h Roger Owl*. Doughty Tichborne. I am
forty-two can old. Sly remem.rance of being anywhere
men a„, to rule is the Rue de Forme. The first
thing I have any distinct remembrance of there I think
wee my sister Alice's death. My mother weal 111 after It.
Is wee ines atter Alfred's birth, two or three or four weeks.
There was shout nine or ten yesn' difference between my
age and Alfred's I cannot remember where we went to
when we laft the Rue de Fermi. M. Chatlllon was my tot 'I..
Us used to come to the house, and I also went out with
him. Ile sometimes brought a little boy with him We
lived at several plt cm during this time-at Rue de Y,t
The Lord -Chief Justice. I cannot hear. Just spell it.
Witness ..1 don't know that loan at this length of time. I
do not knotethat I can't spell it; Fut I prefer not to do It I
might make a mtstake, and I don't ebb to le laughed at by
the whole emirs. I Used to amuse myself in various sem
when out with thstlllno It was prlnclpelly walking about.
My father and mother did not keep much company la those
days I should think I was between illue and ten when
Chatillon first came, and he ondumed my tutor untillSO, or
about then. lam not certain as toe year.

Mr. Mined : GM Le teach you much I—Witness: Yes, a
little, lie never pall any atrict attention to hours. I did not
like IS and he did not rare much about it, so we tweed very
well about that. • (laughter ) We end to walk en the dif-
ferent Ihmievards atolls the retlerle,Gardei,a, asel Jiff smut
other grounds round Pena 1 clarinet speak welt: I have
het several of my teeth. I did Lot teeny abythleg In France,
except from Chetillon. I remember going with my father
and mother to Pan In the Pyrenees My lather monad the
mountains Into Spain, atoll aud my mother remained till Le
returned. We then went back to Paris In a similar way
came. I was about twelve or tb treat at this time. Ido not
remember any other Wu well my mother. I "rent with my
father Into Brlttar y Tee party were my father, Chatillon,
and myself. We went to Ponie. poring that journey I had
• fall. IWu climbing up some rock.. A piece of the rock
gave way, and I ell eu my heed. I had • cut on the back
of the bead. There tithe 'Berk there Mill. lend my tutor
had berm bathing In the lake, arid that acnomted for our
being near the rock.. My tutor was fluting ht. drawers out
when the accident happened. We were three or four dos
In Brittany: I remember meeting relation, of my mother
several time• In France. They were my cousin.. Their name
was Bramont. Their father was Baron Bramont. There were
Charles, Edgar, and two slaters, and there were three other
cousins of another part of the family The baron's house
we. In Paris, but be had also a cattle at Ilhelms I
have a Islet recolleelon of going there. The baron's
sister. were Lucie and Marie. Charlie Bramont was
marked with a red mark on the stde of ble face. There
was • story In the family as to how this mark had
been calmed. I learned to dance In France. I went to
• dancing academy lit!, kmy nurse erst teok me. Her
name waa Margaret. I remember Talbot Const,dee In Pals
Ile used to 01101 generally In the summer months. I was
more Intimate with titm than with anybody else as a boy.
We somet nieS went to one church, etimetimes to another,
but usually to the Madeleine I remember Mr. Hopkins
coming over there on one Occasion. ThLs was, I should say,
In 1840. 1641, or 1842. My mother was rather angry with him
for cumiug.: lo led. I Came to England permanently. I bad
been over before on several short visits. After 1445 I never
Ilved with my father and mother In France e itoept for two or
three deys. Chatillon Caine WI One oecalaos with me to
Eastland, and we went to ehberne. lOU waS about
tel years before 1:45. I have Sonia remembrance of having
been at I pton as is maid. I had heard so Ircm tr.y perenta
My mother objected to niy comb g to England In 1845. I
marmot say how her ceyecion wa. got over. Oh, yee, I
came to attend the funeral of my uneee, and they would not at
me go back. My iathar then sent me to Stonyhunt. My
uncle was Slr Henry. Most, If not all, hts daughters were at
the funeral. I saw my uncle Robert there. Teen were •
great many from the neighbourhood round, bet I cannot
remember who they were. Mr.. Townley and Mr.. Greenwood
were there. She was not Mrs. Greenwood then; at lent I
think not,, I won't be sure. I stayed on that ocenton four
or five days; it might have been a week. I went from there
to Semyhorst I had • email Won In the shoulder about
that time. I believe It was dressed with Ivy leave. I believe
I picked them. I think that Father Brindle went with me
to Sionyburst. Ile was a priest at Poole. My lather
remained. at Stonyburst. I lived at a cottage just out
side the college on the left hand I remained at Sionyhurat
not quite three years, 1 thluk ; I am not quite certain. While
at Stenyhurst I went away at holiday time, mostly to
TCheori e; but on one OcCaeloll I Went to tturton Con-
stable ; I was there Iron five to she weeks. I stayed the
vacation there, whatever It was I rentensber the elevate
theelticals at Burton Cementite. they we-e held at the
bottom of the lung room. It was celled the I. ug room and
also the library. I remember about math g dons a hedge
Talbot l'Aistehle call ha was going :o remove toe hedge, an.!!
sald, Let me do it," and I set to work and did it. Constable
was spreading menure CO the lend et the tlme. It
was a piece of land set apart for him and called
" •Falbot's Farm." Talbot asked me to go to Lamhert,
a horse dealer t boy • black rums, and I did an I
brought tier beck myself. We had a few µdates of drink
over the plireaSee. I ti.ink it had a slight effect on me,
and more no on Lembert. I remember Mr. White, and I
remember beleg on the road between Hull and Burton
Constable at Nlcholsen's place. There were some foreign
bones there, just come over, and 1 went over to look at
them on Sunday. They were piebalds and skewbald., amt
they came from Holland. White was there, he says, but I
cannot remember him. Ido not remember the clecumstalice
of the horse kicking. White mentioned the eircumstance,
and I well rerotmber being there to look at the horses.
Mr. Taw' Do you remember what you did at Burton
Constable In the butler's abaence I Valtnerie lam not aware
he was absent l wanted some wine There Will some on
the table, so I went to a table outside and helped myself. 1
brought • decanter of wine to where I was sitting. I have
no doubt I helped other.. The butler was &mit. (Laughter.;
One of the horses at Nich datm's was to my mind painted or
dyed to make the mmks more period, and it turned eut to
be so. I remember going tr. Prelton : but I can't remember
going to my grandfather at Knoyle. I remember my brother
Allred having a grey pony. Me. Seymour gave It to him.
This was Mr. Seymour of ELoele Be was my gremifether,
but we never called him anything but Mr Seymour. I Co.
member golug to War.i our Castle on several erettalOra. We
generosity Went Ir.wn Knoy le. On One Oreallon I stayed at
the castle for a law days. We used to go from Buoy le to
Warikur to chapel. The distance is from four to five
milee.

Mr. Serjeant BaDentine: Please keep up your voice ; you
drop it. Witness: I don't have no much practice as yeti do.
(Laughter.) Lord Arundell played the true pat, and I learned
to play It afterward, myself. Two ef the Arundel family
were with me at Stgnyhurst. Everard was one of them. lie
is a clerk In holy orders now, I believe. I do not remember
the other. I vialted my nude B soert at Bath while at
Stonyhurat. I met Mr. Bleidulph, Hut not at my uncle's—at
the hotel We afterwards went to my allele* My aunt
had not sufficient room. It was a very small house I had
two pipee. I do not remember where I got them. I caneot
say what became of them. A comeoeitlon to clay ; skull's
heads of no value: 24. each or so. My uncle Robert need to
ride a horse called C ek Rode. My aunt's name wee
Rebacca See was toed of lathes' work; clever at wool work.
At Stony horst I spoke Koglieh by order. I had a niekname.
They used to cull me Vrencey sometimes. There was Father
Seed, Father Metre, two Fethers Cooper, Fattier Walmsley,
the president. A man came from Preston to teach
drawing there were different Nets of wholan—philos,
phers In one class and laity in toe other. The colleee wag
rapareted in two: not the building, but the scholar.. l wan
an idle student at itonyttur t It's not very pleasant to
mention things In a Large court. We fished In the river. I
believe there was leave given to the nAlege. I know we used
to go. We fished with fly. I visited Colonel fowneley. I
occasionally paid my father and mother visits. I passed my
time principally at Tichborne. I stayed in le Grosvenor'
Street for some time—Henry Seymour's. Ist...Lead there after
I had left Stonyhurst. I visited Lady Ann Tichborne at
Brompton—the Grove ; a very short visit—ten days or a fort-
night. It was about 1848 I wed to go down and -Ise with Cole
I cannot say Mho smoked at the name time. Al T tc n borne I spent
my time In lashing, smoking, and shooting. I went into the
army In Octobe-, lea My app intment was In July 1 wane:-
ambled at Sandhurst before my appointment. I Wattled
for my examinetion in Groavenor-aireet. I had a person In
to help me to study. No, I used to go to • Profaner. At
Tichborne I had Mr. George Greenwood. He went to
tiendhurat with me. I Rot a certificate. I have no Idea
what has become of it. At Tichtx rat I met a M. Baijent
I we.. Intimate, with I im. Ile le the nun of tbe Professor
of Drawing at the college at Winchester. He taught
my cousins, and is well known In the family. 1 used
to draw heads and busts. 1 remembar the lady who has
been examined, WM Brain. I Used to see her generally in
the green-room at Tichborne. It was known by that name
It was used as Mlle Durghty's eittibg.room. elle used Weide
• bay horse. I have wee her ride both gray and bay. I only
saw Miss Brain on one visit In 1850. It was the occasion of
my mai only. I had just run over on Colote.'.l leave. I took
over a servant when I Joined my regiment. Mutton wee
his name. lie was with me two years and a half am my
private servant. I fleet began to drill at Portobello,
have not been In Ireland since my return to this country in
Is6e. The Merle) for my o mmisslon wan lent by my
mother. I meats my mother lent It out of her own fortune,
and charged the Deughty satiate. The sergeants who drilled
me were, Catru—S wady Cabal they celled him. There
were three brothers, all in the Wier; school, sergeants at
different time. There were others for foot drill I may
remenalar their names soon. I watts yreat deal at riding
drill, I used to visit In Dublin. Ilferah Castle was one place.
I was these not very often. I went with Mr. MacEvoy, an
officer le the Carbffirars, to Meath. I met unie young ladle..
liacEvoy was a captain. I rode to Howth once, arid went by ,
boat on the other occasion.. The host capetzed Just before
we landed. Sty room, were on the right In the Warrick, over
the stables. Er at we went to Cahn.. I was taken ill. I
thought it was cholera. Tney amid I had eaten • quantity
of pudding, and the r facers said It was the,. At C•hir '
I was visited by my father ; he was alone excepting
hie valet, William Burdon. tie did nut stay more than
three or four days. Ile had an object to corniest. r
lie wanted to sell Upton. We did not agree on
ltd. Mr. Hopkins came on the same sub), ct. We did not
ages.. It Well altar I was twenty•aue, in the year 1851. Both '
visits were in that year I got my lieutenancy in Cafor. It
was In " G" troop. As cornet I wan in A " troop- the Net
letter of the alphabet ey,". you call it (witeests pronounced
it ".11 1. Captain Morton's charger had a Very hollow back '
" roach" back. Ile was a chestnut. Captain Morton's
father was Morton, of Little Island, Cloemel. Ile was •
clergyman. Ile had two.. and four daughters ; three I knew
very well. Captain Morton's tame was Samuel, his brother
was Villark Two daughters were married ; one was Mrs 1
Kelly or Kellott ; he was known as Dick Kellott. Sir. Morton
was very Led of arguleß about refigine. 11, hoe, my religion. (
[ft wait a Protestant clergyman, sect a very bigoted one tom I
I knew Captain donkey; he wane cousin of Sir. Morton, or
some relation. Ills place Is neer Conmel ; it is c fUed
Feather.. Colon, I dories suggested a horse which would suit
me at Killarney, alter we returned I bought it. It wa. a
big cheanut. I bought him for first charger, hut he wan
no good. I left him in Eugland when I went away, in
Ciourell's care. I told him not to tart with the horse lit did
not coma back for seven part I stayed at Cahlr five to
six months in barracks.. Sly room wee to the light, on the
ground floor, at Portobello, over the stables. I .tay d at
Clonmel about four menthe. The troop was there fur that
time, hut I was away it times on duty lill4l lance Captain
Porch l (or Pit II -us on leave to be married, and I bad to
false charge of his troop. I heeded it over to our late toll
luta General Nadir was Inspecting um. Captain Polhill
knot his word ef command. I happened to think
of it, and drew them out. I 'Maid have given it to
him, hull did it fate aul honest; but Captain Polhill get
reprimanded, sand be eI3I not pleased with me. It wee alter
thet I was pot in "IF' troop. I do bob remember
Getting Lady Barton. Ileµ!.qnsrter. were removed
from Cehlr to Ballincoillg. 1 bey., wan there. We were
then ordered • for India and went to Dublin. No pre-
parations were there made Toe horses were distributed.
our uniform was changed from scarlet to blue. For some
time we were half blue, half scarlet. We went by 'tumor
to Herne Bay. The Witmer was ti e bike of sometbing—
the ThdrA of CorrAnali I think. U. haegage was placed
weied tee funnel and Callaht fire. The emmenttion had •
narrow moape of being blown up. We walked fern Herne
Bay to Canterbury. I found it rather difficult 1 he band of
the 17th Lancers met as. At Canterbury sae went to the
Infantry barracks. The Lancers leit a few data after, and
i..eot Into their quarters, the cavalry barrack.. I went to
an nt4J, the "Teo.- or" Rote." Captain Sheraton went to the
" I left on leave of Onece for three months. I
had leave on several Legumes. I hail leave to sell my cone-
nilation. After we got to Canterbury order. her India were
coentermatideti. I meant to have Roue. Whets Ii und the
regiment was not aoh. I welshed to tell eat. I went to
n ,r.t.laro, to I ptos, I oe„: e good deal, rode and drove
about. alOofi wan with flier and Garter and several men.
I keew people at Poole--k tallor an trol monger.
pat,, forgotten his name. i nee slot MUOII In Poole. There
wa au Weed in Mos harbour. a farnOtte pia,' for pf goons.
I nought • bogie I think Gould bought the boat for me. I
knew the model when Gould showed It to me. It was not
pointed out. 1 poleted It oat witheut any one I picked It
gat from memory. We were tarring the boat under the
abed I remember no incideet. Not before it was tarred. I
einti4t remeeiber if the boat was wet or dry- I went for
three days to Leighton. I lost my money playing cards with
drargeta about e. 1,500. I had (Madly Ia P.Y1411 it. It
wan never all paid. About KsAfe Wu paid. Ily mother got
me the money She 'made Be promise I would never play
maim It wee hushed up as much as possible. The men
who played were brooms, two of them, and • man named
Robin, and Eecleaton. He did live In St. klartitia-I,oe.
we. the worm for liquor. It was at the "Bedford." MY
Salim lia“ 94 1 thlek is was generally known in my

VinTerner—lTTlitiren Illness before my
leave at the barracks. I remember nothing of the it pert;
II erime on suddenly. I was In bed two or tbreeWeeks and
poorly long after I did not remember until le'Cann
told me that I had been bled in the ankle. I remember It
being talked about I have a mark on both ankles. N'Cann
raid, " Nothing raa be mulct., If you are a 'Fichte rne, than
to prove It, for there would he the mark in the slide." I
said, "Do you mean the mask where I was bled?" and he
Calf, " Ye.." I said, •' The mask must be there now," but
be declined to look then. Lady Tichborne was in the room
ti'Cann saw it • fortnight before be gave hi. evidence, and
that was for the first tame It was not until then I knew
the mark was on my light loot; It V 114 plainer on try left. I
knew the Shersion. very well. When I was at Thompson'.
lodginge In London Danforth came loose me. I kept the
lodgings on for four or five month.. While my regiment
was In Canterbury I saw the Duke's funeral from Pall-mall,
from Andrews's, military accoutrentent-maker. I went to
him before I went to Ireland.

Al thth point In the—aninsant's evidence the Court rose
(fur o'clock) an account of the apparent Indleposition of the
Witco,. who wee li.commoded by a troublesome cough.

On Wednenday morning. the examination of the
claimant wag continued. lie said
*so In Loudon during the Duke of Wellington's Nueva.
essmot say how many times I wont to Tlehhorne In D 52,
before I sold out of the army. la 1862 I met Miss Doughty,
I believe at Ilehhorne,

Mr, 01Hard Were you at all Intimate with that lady
: Yes, I knew her very well My friendship for her
was not acoeptab'e to her father. Thle became manifest
during the latter part of 1552, and I did net visit her so ,dten
hi consequence. I sold out of the army at the beginning of
February, 1853 and I determined to leave Kurland when
the order for India wea countermanded. When I left I
determined not to return to this country no long u my
father lived. My home with my father and mother wee
anything but happy. Before 1 actually went, I went to
Fruce to take leave of in; father and mother. This was
Omni the 12:h or ll'h of Yebruary. They were living at
thst time In the Rue St. Iloilo:6, opposite the LAM. I
don't remember the number, but I know we could see the
Louvre from the window. 1 stayed one clear day, to the
best of my memory. I saw Chatillon there. It. came over,
and wanted me to breakfut with him, but my father refused.
lie gave no reason, except that It wee my IBM morning and
he wished me to be In his own company.

Mr. G! Hard : Do youremember leaving anything with yonr
mother 7—Witness: Yea, several things. I left a small watch
and chain. I had had the chair, Once I was eight year' old.
It was a long one. I have the chain In my hand now. My
mother gave it to me or ginally, and she returned it to me
when I came back. The watch wee given me by Sarah, one of
the nurses, many years previously. Having left my gold
chain with my mother, I went with Chatilion to buy a steel
one. This chain was for a silver watch I had. Mr. Vincent
Gosford had given P. to me. I took thin wat,:h and chain
wt. h me. I don't think my father gave me any money to go
away with. I had the money for which I sold my commission. I
arranged to repay the money winch had purchased my com-
mission. I save my mother a charge upon the Doughty
estate. Mr Hopkins managed the matter. Himself and
Mr. Henry Seymour were trustees. They were to see that
the interest on the E 3,000 was paid over to my mother.
When I came back again Mr. Hopkins had entirely forgotten
this circumstance until [reminded him of It. My mother told
me she did not think that she received all the money she should
receive. I asked about the £3,01:0, and she said she had not
received It. I went to Mr. IL .pkins, and he said it bad beau
paid into a bank : and I found it, I think, at Barclay's, In
Lombard.itreet. Having stayed one day Paris, I came
back to Lmdon. Before I went abroad I made • will. I
did not Tell any of my friends or relations of this fact I did
not do It through Mr. It plans, but through Mr. Edward
Slaughter. I did not do It through Mr. Hopkins, because he
would have told my family of it, and I did not wish them to
know it. I have seen the will since I executed it, but did
not read the contents of it. I had It from two of the Akers
of the Probate Court, I think; but I do not know what court
it wee. The will was a long time in preparation. I signed
it at Cantertury. I made preparations for going abroad. I
bought what clothes I required in the Strand, near Som. net
House. I bought guns and platols, and tool., and one thing
arid another in London. Before I went abroad I gave a
sealed packet to Vincent Gooford. I read over to him what
I wrote in his own parlour at Chariton. I wrote It there.
Mr. Vincent Gosford was called to produce Idle document
but declined to do no,

The plaintiff c9ntioued: I am able to repeat the contents
Of
ihla document, but decline to do so.

The Solicitor-General mid he would make no objection to
the cmtenta being stated.

Witness conthMed Tows are very strong reasons why I
should not state the contents of this document publicly.
- - - - - -

The Solicitor General : I believe you have done it privately.
—Witneu: What do you !mean by " privately t "
the Lord Chief J sidles said that the tineaUou was irregular
and need not be answered.

Witness I went from Southampton to Havre. I wag under
the impression that Mr. Umford went to see me if, hut I
find I urn mistaken ; it was when I went to earls to bid my
father and mother good-bye. I called on the Rev. Mr.
Mount, • priest at S ,uthampton. This waa In the morning.
I don't remember how long I was there. Ile came out and
walked up the street part of the way with me. I gave the
directions to Goaford aa to keeping my house about the time
I saw him at Winchester. I took • servant with me abroad
William John Moore. I had known him about four to 'nth.
only. I embarked at Havre for South America at the begin-
ning of March, 1b1,3. I think about the let of March. The
vessel was hound for Valyaraleo, and her same was the
Pauline. We put Into h'slmouth In etre.' of weather and
remained there eeverel day.. About two years ego I again
wet Into Falmouth. I had forgotten het lug been there he-
Vie. At the Law Institution I had forgotten having put In
there, any mind being directed to foreign porte when (ince
tinned. When, however, I went Into Falmouth two seam
ago I remembered having been there before The Pan hue
was • mailing verse!. There was one other passenger, a super-
cargo. We amused ouselses with catching birds, &rh-
ino, and shooting. I believe Moore and I had a few worda
groin; out about hie keeping • dim/. I told him I would not
have him put down anything shout me. I told him I would
not keep& eervart to write down my actions.
Mr. ffillard ; Did anything particular happen during the
Voyage /—Witnem : A hook caught In my eye.

_
Mr Giffarl Describe the accident, and how it happened.
—Witness: A hook caught In my rye. There were several
hooks hung down for the purpose of hanging birds on to skin
them. As I was passing in with the swing of the Chip, the
hook caught me to the eye. It was In the upper eyelid of the
right eye. It took place in the closet of the ship It was
Sunday morobag. I went there to skin birds. There was an
alb.troas and several cape pigeons Ths y were • trying"
down. liii y cut • portion of the hock cif and drew it through
The wan on account of the jigger at the other end. The jig-
s.. was to prevent It coming out of the fish. I mean the barb
It was not that end, hut the other they out nit. The gasper..
did that I think the hook was slightly tiled and then nipped
off. We got to Valearatso, I think, in June—May or June At
Velparetso I got a letter from my fainer and one from Gas-
ford. I beard then foe the first time of my uncle's death. I
stayed in Velpsrano that time about seven weeks altogether.
I stayed at the French hotel. It was In A,imirel Royale or
Celle Cochrate They ate both in one line. I went from
thence to Sullivan Moore was with me. I then went without
Moore from Santlego. I left him there Ile wsis very uneveh
and cou'd not travel I came the other road back to Val.
penis°. 111, called the San FiaIICIIICO road It Is I .tiger
but not go hilly as the o, her. I had remained at Santlege
eight or nine days that time I was about three week. goleg
from S stirs.° to Vaiperoti on that occasion. I think the
fell name Is San Francisco del Monte. I remained at this
place • ntght. I Meet In • store that night. Tnere was no
hod or anythlug of that deserts:4l.m then The
perton who kept the store was it sire. Ills Clvlstian name
was Thetuas The next phitte I stayed at was Melliphis. I
stayed there the lint two ufehts at Castro's. This was the
same penon who had the store at San Francleco del Monte.
This last store ens the branch store. C.ntro himself was at
Mcilluills. At Melliplii• I was introduced to Roca and
Alealda. Castro kept • large store, and wee an officer as
well We shot wed place., parrot., quails, and • v.lety
of birds. I went shooting at Sontiseo. I met several een-
tlemen there. There was • Mr. Toro. I went with him to
his place. I went there sea guest Ido not remember soy
other place. I went back to Meilipilla. Santiago Is only
tin o r levee mile,, and Toro is twenty or thirty mil. away.

The claimant went on to describe minutely the in.
cideots in his life whilst abroad, and at three o'clock
it was evident that he we very much fatigued, and
with the consent of the counsel on both sides the
Court was then adimined.