The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1871-05-27 00:00:00

THE TICHBORNE CASE.

So little does the interest in this remarkable case
abate, that on Monday the Court was again densely
crowded, and a great number of distinguished persons
appeared upon the bench, Including the Duke of
Wellington, Sir John T. Coleridge, and the Archbishop
of Dublin. During the day the Sulicitor•General
suggested that it might be possible to Fecure the
Queen's Gallery, in the House of Lone, for the
further sittings of the Court. The Lord Chief
Justice promised to look at the room, and if it
proved a convenient place, his Lordship said that
the public would be very gratetul to the learned
Solicltor if he could obtain leave to use it, as it was
said it would hold 400 or 500 spectators.

Mr. Serjeant Ballantine, Mr. Gdfard, Q.C., Mr.
Pollard. Mr. Jenne, and Mr. Rose appeared for the
plainhff ; the Solicitor• General, Mr. Hawkins, Q C.,
Sir George Honyman, Q C., Mr. Chapman Barber (of
the Chancery Bar), and Mr. C. Bowen for the defend.
ante; and Mr. Matthews, Q.C., and Mr. Purcell for
the Doughty trustees.

j Mr. George Allen examined, said he was for 10 years In the
, service of members of the Tichborne family, and was for the
t fourteen years collector to the Bath Gas Company. Ile
wet with Mr. Robert Tichborne till his death, and he and Tie
f smtiy received legacies from him amounting to £1,200. Ile
remembered Mr R. C. Tichborne. Reload no doubt of his !den-
Hey Ile came with Mr Goeford to bid farewell to his friends
before going abroad. lie saw the plaintiff on the 10th October,
lists 7, at Bath. Ile had several hours' conversation with
end his opinion was that ha was the "claimant." (Laughter.)
He recognised him by the eyes and eyebrows. Ife talked with
Use plaintiff for three or lour hours, and witness at the end
I os It, and also now, had no doubt at all about him.
Cross-examined : Mr. Rouse brought the claimant, and he
hal frequeutly spoken to witness about the Tichborsie claim
The claimant said he had been to Tichborne and eeen •
picture of Lll uncle's old hunter Cock Robin. At witness's
house the plaint:lf saw and recognised pictures of his unee,
Mr. it. Ttehborne, arel Mr.. Ttchborno. Ile said his old
uncle looked yes y natural; tilt long lege were there all sight.
He said his aunt, how ever, Im.ked the MOE natural; she
was at her needlework, of which she used to be PO fend,
The claimant's eyes sod upper part, of the face was what
the plointiff relied on far more than on the pictures, long
legs, and neeciework. The claimant's hair was the same
colour as Mr. It C. Tichborne's, but it used to be worn longer.
lie r .s.d to throw up the skin of the forehead, and his uncle
R beet n tel to do the lame The claims it', nose seemed
somewhat shorter than Mr. 11. C. Tichborne's ; but the
mouth was the rame. Ile has lost Ho French accent ;he
had been very Freslchified. sger's aunt, who was • native
of Ameterdam, used to talk French with Roger. The claimant
hi 1567 was rougher, and wanted the gent lemanly bearing of
Roger. The uncle and aeui used to visit at Tlehborne, and
witnese has run Roger on them cccasions perhaps a dicta
time..

Mr. Thomas Carter I went as private servant to Captain
Marten In the 6th Dragoons. My real name was SlVarthy,
but in DA, when I returned front the Crimes, I took the
name of Carter. I first saw Mr. 7 ichborne at Cahir lii ISA
After this I remain.' servant to Captain Morton some time.
I was servant afterwards to Mr. It C. Tichborne for two
years. I saw the plaintiff on the Rsrh of February, 1067, at
Croydon. I had joined a club in Hampshire, and the secre-
tary, lu writing me, remarked that the bells at Alresford
were ringing for the return of Sir R Ttehborne, and this
caused me to see the plaintiff. After I saw the piaintt If at
Croydon, and I was sathfied he wits the gentleman I went
Into his unwire, but left in Thcember last. I have no doubt
he is Kr R. Tichbome.

M. Se l,ant 11.11. We Hove you given Int ormotton to
Sir It 'Donk-tom onto thlrgs that you hen a. to the rot*
meat 4—Wltnece: Not at all : he told mo things more than I
...led to hear, aud I let him go on, s.ylug only " yea " and
" n. "

After a lengthened cross examination, the next witness
Col ed War,

Walter Moodie I enlisted in the Carblmeers In 1844. I
remember Mr. Roger Chad. Tichborne at Portobello Bar-
racks at Dublin. I have a perfect recollection of his appear.
sues and voloe. I saw hint lad about December 1, lad. I
dld not see him again until January, 1868, In Colchester. I
recognized him in three or four seconds, but he knew me
tint, and called me by name. 1 had no doubt I knew him
by his full eyes, •' twinkling." his voice, and his wade. I
asked him to walk, and 1 recognized him that moment. I
asked him about small troop affaire. 1 asked him about
Christmas Day, anti what occurred, and he answered that
two men—Larkin and Fenton—had gone to chapel and been
centtned for bend drunk. Ile told me the name of the tailor,
Thomas Edwards. Ile told me the number of my own hone
rightly. There wae a black mare ;he told me of tills, and that
she bet .oged to Arthur llinee. Lie tAd me the name, of the
non-comentedoned °Metre, and sill there was only one ser-
geant acting; his name was Pullimore I have not the
slightest doubt, standing In this box, before the gentlemen
and ladles here, that the claimant is the same man as the
Roger I then knew.
Crod-examtned by the Solidtor.General I should believe
he was the same ram if I had heard any man's croes-examl-
nation More things than one Identified him, but principally
the twitch The Roger of 1,51 had the twitch. '' Just
something about as Wait it was when I saw him In 18E8 "
The witness was then examined about different points
of resemblance between the Roger of 1851 and the
claimant, the hair, drz. He cou'd give the word of com-
mand, but not the same as an English gentleman would. I
had heard rumours; never thought it would come
I, such a light as this until the 29th of January, 1588..1 know
aeraeent Carroll, MO r Swtnlen's eervant ; but 1 did not
know he had been to Croydon and had a cfluversation with
the claimant. I may have heard it almw. Carroll knew about
Pot tmore and about the black mare and the number of my
horse right well. Carroll never sail a word about having
been to see the claimant. I don't remember Carter except by
name. fie was flehburos's (the claimant) servant. Ile knew
about the black mare an a about Pulltmore. During the
year he was with Tichborne he might have told him what he
'mew.

Ills Lordship: This I. surely matter more of observation.
Examination resumed I don't think a gentleman would
ask such questions. I knew him by his large eye.: the
"twinkling" and throwing up of his head. Ile did It when
first I saw him. It was not to attract me le identified
me first. When I saw him again there was still a little
twang of a foreign accent, but not so much as there used to
be. When I was examined Carol, Sir Roger's servant, was
there, Mr. Beigent, and the gentleman who gave me the
osth. t did not read my affidavit over. Four of us made
affidavit.

My °Mad re-examined this witness, who raid that no one
pointed out the claimant ; that the moment the claimant
saw his head he tapped him on the shoulder and recogrizsd
him. The claimant toll hint more things shout the troop
than he could have told the claimant, but he would not say
Carter might not have known them.
Thomas Dunn lergeant), formerly in the 6th Dragoons, In
January, D.V2 —Knew the Roger 1 ichborne who was In the
Carhineers, and had no douot the man he saw at Alresford
in 1867 the claimant) was the same man. This witness was
cross.examined much to the same purport as the other
witnesses to identity had been.

In the course of the day the foreman of the jury asked the
Chief Justice If he would alj eirit over Wedneeday, as
severallurya en had Important business to transact on that
day, and had formed Important engagements.
The Lord Chief Justice asked If It was the uni I with
that Wednesday should be a holyday. So far as this case
was concerne I it would be no holyday to him, for he
bad. mass of notes coil, cted alrsady which he must look
over ; hut as the case n list last for weeks, if not for months,
he was anxious to attend to the comfort of the jury.
The Foreman said that he and his fellow jurors wished for
an adjournment over Wednesday.
The Salbitor-Cieneral said I believe I am the only man
who will not attend the Isthmian games; but I assent with
great pleasure.
Mr. Hawkins sald,—l hope this will not be milted as a pre-
cedent when a similar application Is made In the ease this
time next year.

The trial wse resumed on Tuesday mPrning, at the
&skarn' If once, Westminster, when the Court was
again crowded. The first witness called was
Mr. tin Letsware, of West Derby-road. Liverpool, cnstomii
house r fficer. Ile stated that he was formerly trumpet-rnsP.r
of the 11th Dragoons, arti remained tire ttil Ottober,
fie also held the office of receiver of letters and despatches.
Ile was in the habit of delivertrig to tees to Mr. Tichborne
from October, 1540, till April, 1501 In April, lr6d, he la-
the plaintiff at the " Victoria '' Hotel, Liverpool, In conse-
quence of a letter from Mr. naigent. Directly the witness
went in the plaintiff laid, "Oh, Mr Lessware " Ile knew
witness was coming. Ile did not at first recognize the plain-
tiff ; but after a little converwition he saw he was the gentle-
man to whom hooted to deliver letters. Its recognised him
by his eyebrows (a nervous affection of the brows), and the
tone of Ids voice, lie was with him four hours.
Mr. itt Meant lialtentine: When you left had you any doubt
about him :—Witness Not the slightest.
nave you any now t—Witnen None. The witness went
Onto ray that he asked the plaintiff as to the droll they wore
In the regiment, an I ae to some of the officers, and the
SIAM I, were ill accordance with wltness'arecollections. Ile
said tint wltneas had gold lace on his Jacket, and this was
true. It was Hi unusual thing. Witness asked him about
some charges that were against Mr. Tichborne for postage,
Id. and led, each, and he said they were in respect of tome
French pamphlet& This was oorrect.
(rose-examined: There were entries of these sums In hie
ho-hand he hail his hook with him at the " Victoria" Hotel.
rho plaintiff barely looked at it. Mr Baton{ was there.
The phdot:lf had lost li, foreign accent, but the tone of the
voice rematned. When witness went to the t. Victoria" Hotel
he asked for Mr. Tichborne, and he was directed to a part i-
Cllhr (00111, in which he found the plaintiff alone, lie
would not have known the plaintiff at first unless he had
been told that he was going to meet him. The plaintiff's
hair was something of the same colour ea Mr. Tichbornel
perhaps It was a shade lighter formerly and It wee worn
WWII the lame am ur Tlebborne's, ate law no change In

the nose or mouth. When they talked of officers who had
Nee in the regiment, the plaintiff mentioned Pinkney,
Norbury, Wardtlaw, ustance, and several others. lte
plaintiff asked witness II he recollected the barrackmaster
tieing married in Cahlr, ant he said " Tee There WM a
circumstance connected with it, and witness sated him how
It ended. The men took the horses out and dragged the
carriage. mg the plaintiff mentioned, and it was a circum-
stance well known no the moo in the regiment.

Mrs. Ann Lessware, the wife of the WA witness, said she
lived with her husband in the regiment. She recollede.l Mr
Tichborne. She maw plaintiff In ISEIs at the Victoria ' Hotel.
Liverpool. She was going up to the drawing-room when she
met three gentlemen . sbe thought one of them was Mr.
Tichborne, of the Carbineers See did not meek to him, hut
waited up edrs till he came back, about halt or three quer.
tors of an horn.. The plaintiff then came in alone. She ex-
amined his features, mud she recognised him by Ide speech
and the twitching of the r ya. She conversed with him for
scrim time, cod she was perfectly satisfied that he was the
same Mr. Tichborne who was In the regiment.
Crose-alaralne I : She had hot the slightest doubt, and had
not from the first. If she had met him in the street she
would have known him. When the saw the plaintiff at
Liverpool be had lost much of his foreign accent, but his
voice us, much the same. She rec,lgniseal him at once by
the twitehlt.g of the eyes. Ills hair at the side woe now fuller
than It was when she first knew him, and it was more curly.
She saw no it'll erence in the nose or the mouth. She went
to recognize the nlaint,ff the nay alter ner husband Irellt it
had not been at first arranged that she should go. She was
there three hours, and Sergeant Arnblett was there also.
They talked of she regiment, and the plaintiff seemed to
know about it.

ThOILIIM Miitou, a gentleman's coachman at New lirighton,
said he emceed the serNlce Cl Mr. Edward Doughty in
and lined with hlnd aeven tears as stable boy, and afterwards
groom. He dui not knew young Tichborne MU be left
Stoney burst. Ile was then sixteen or seventeen. Witness
looked after his horse when he was at his uncle Witness
was with him a month or two at 39, Upper Grosvenor street.
Ile was afterwards with him at Knowle for a fortnight, and
for a short t,me at Tichborne Park. Witness was his oro.ll
and valet. When he went to pin his reginemt In Dublin
witness took over three horses, two dogs, and the luggage.
He was with Mr. fichisorne a few months at Fortobeilo,
and then went to CAW, and rene.ined with him un-
til January, 1851. Four years elites lie had a conversation
with Bardon stoat his rec:illecti.oi of Mr. Ilchb.irno, and In
consequence of a letter from Messrs. Rester, It ,se. and
Nene..., he went to ree the plaintiff alike Wat erloo " Hotel,
in Jertuyn-street. Ile expected to see an Imposter. He
asked Vaintitf how old he was, and lie said forty-two in
February, Do told witness correctly where he bought the
hoises. Ile asked the plaintiff if he recollected the mimeo
• I the dogs, and he said Siring .d Flecrust. elatatlff
asked if witness recollected his purchasing a dog in Mount-
street, a hall-brad deerhound. This waa the fort, and
the plaintiff described the yard where he bought the dug cor-
rtctly. Witness asked him what coat he wore on first going to
barracks to dine. He said a surtout. This was true, witness
had noticed it at the thee, and also that there was a
bur hole under the arm, hunt he had never spoken about it.
Witness asked the pl aint, ft if he recollected coming to from
hunting In Hampshire with his potket-handkereldef tied
round his head Instead of a hat. Ile said Yes." After the
conversation witness knew he was a Tlchborne, but could
not say he was Roger. Ile had no doubt now that he was
Roger. He recognis d him by the twitching which no one
had mentioned to witness. Ills hair was darker than It had
formerly been, and It used to he straighter than it was now.
Mr. Serleant ilailantine What is your belief as to this
gentleman now in court —Witness I believe on my oath
that ho le Sir lt,ger Tlchhome.

The witness was cross.ezarnined on the subject of the
photographs produced, and it was stated that it had been
agreed that photographs signed by Mayall should be taken
as evidence.—This 'a likens. of the claimant) is not like
my former master. I told Mr. Well'. clerk at Liverpool that
It was not. It elhe not remind me of him In the least, I think
It is a good likeliest of the claimant ; but I can see none to
my old master. I was not asked by Father Guy to describe
my former master nor anything. I made a statement to
Mr. Wells, but did not tell him I was going to London. I
said I thought I might know Mr. Tichborne, but lather
Guy did not ask me any particulars shout him—what
horses he had, how long I was in his service, nor about the
dogs. In town, I was taken to the claimant by Mr. Spot-
forth ; he called me Tom ; everybody knew I was called
Toni. I went awsy in doubt about him ; I had been two
hours—the first twitch was half an hour after I came in
He went out for three or four minutes during our Interview.
its had a drop on one site in his walk. Ile had prominent
earl, rather thick, standing out I never mentioned this
to anyone before to-day. He twitched half a dozen or a
di zen times. I went away not satisfied. I saw him next
morning loran hoar ; I saw nothing further, but I recog
nod him better by daylight. Nobody brew about "Spring"
and " Plecrust" but me. If people have made affidavits
about the dogs, it will be different. He said he went
through a house into a yard In Mount-street. I left the
dogs In Ireland wish M'Cann. lie had only two dogs. We
took ono to 39, Upper Grosvenor.street. It was a big
red deg, between deerhound and greyhound. Flecrusr"
was a present from Lord Gifford. Ile said he bought his
first charger at Con's, In Stamford-street ; all the men would
know this. Carter was his groom. We might have talked
of the servant being billed I pieced no reliance on
this It did ant occur to me that thing. known to all the
regiment might have been told to him. I did know that
M'Cann and Carter were his servants. I did not kuow that
M'Cann had been staying with him von visit. I was groom
amid Valet to him, and in constant attendance on Wm.

Reexamined ly Ferjeant Ballantine The wrinkle. were
momellmes more preminetit. So far as I know no one but
I and Tlchborne ard the dog dealer knew about that matter.

William Gelled said he had lived at Poole all hi, life. He
knew the late Sir Edward Haughty. Ile knew Mr. R. C.
fichborne, and was w ith him constehtly for two or
three months at the mei of 1852 and beginning of 1.53. tie
was fond of fishing, and boating, and shooting : and witness
went with him most days. He was vest fond of witnesv.
Witness was a fisherman. In October, 1,,e7, he had a con-
versation with Mr. It. Flabby Seymour aria, in consequence,
went to meet the afternoon train. Ile saw Mr. Tlchborne
gel out of the train with Mr. Rouse. lie knew hire again,
and mid, "flow do you do, Mr. Tichborne (" and he said,
"How do you do, 0 mid, after the few years I have been
gone." He recognised witness himself elthout anybody
having pointed Min out. Witueu had no doubt about the
plaintiff, and would swear to him auywtere. It was 1114
appearance and his voice. Anybody who had known Sir
Edward fitughty would know that gentlemen the plaintiff).
Nobody pointed the plalntlif out to witness. Alter he left
the plaintiff he went home and cut out tom models
of boats, ant at seven in the evening he went to the platetiff
at the 'London Tavern " Hotel. Mr. Rouse and Mr. Holmes
were there. He asked plaintiff if he could recollect the
model al the boat ho bought at Poole, and witness put them
all down on the tahle together The plaintiff took up the
right one, and Rouse said, "Show it to Me Holmes." The
boat wo, a foreign built boat, and tht re was nothing else
pecellar about it (the witness produced similar but smaller
models of the boats for the Inspection of the jury. He
said that the orlglual ones were too big to carry in
his pocket) Witnese wired him other things, and the
answers were all correct. Witness asked him if he minded
what he gave for the boat, and he said £5. Title was right.
There seas nottleg said about Wittig the boat. The next
day (Oat. 15) the plaintiff asked witness "'tether he could
mind that he brought a truss of hey, and put It on the boars
bottom, and set ere to it to dry the east. This was correct.
The boat was very wet from rain, and she wax to be dried to
tar her. Witness had never mentioned this circumstance.

Mr. ffsrd Have yea any doubt about this gentleman you
now me bet, gdh R. Tichborne?
Witness : little not S' r R ler Tiehborne hell the very old
devil Minacif. I Lsughter )
The Solleltor•General : I do not dispute that laat answer ;
which la he. (Itoewed laughter)
Witness Sir R Tichborue.

Cross-examined The landlady of the inn told mall would
go to the half-past three train I should gee him. I went
over to Ham station and saw him. Mr. boleros came by
next train. I knew from three permons that be was coming.
Mr. Holum. bad sent me several lettere ; they are broken
up. I always breek up letter. when I've read them.
I did not receive kl IS, either from the Dowager
Lid), Tichborne or Mr. Holmes.. The old Lady Tlch-
borne tent me IT and a di 2-.11 of wine. I was very
poorly. She wrote to um; It's broken up. I sent her tome
duck. and widgeon, for whf oh sire was very thankful. I
wrote to Mr. Holmes loath Sir Roger If he could" mlud" my
buying a boat for him. I believed that Mr. Peeke was for Sir
li.ger, not against him. I wrote two letters to him, one re-
ferring to a model of a boat. (Mlle 'Meese was very severely
crone-examined by the Solicidordleneral on the subject of
letters wh' eh he had written, and as to the meaning °toenails
passages to his memorandum, in which he alluded to paying
his bk bill and going to London to see Sir Roger, when he
should know lilt wail Sir Roger or "Don Cas." The names of
several persons were entered iii the memorandum, and on
there also he was crosr-txamined. ) Ho Paid he had paid Maffei
bill out rd his hard earnings. Au affidavit-book had been
sent Lim by 'sir. Mutant., with about 30 names in it, after
December, 1867, when he made his affidavit. When he
went to the train no one was with Sir Roger but Mr Ronne.
He knew Sir Roger at once. It was half-past three. He had
lii the !appearance of the man. Whoever knew Sir E tward
Doughty would know him, lie was formerly a thin, small
man. My wile was once thinner and mailer, and now she
13 bigger and fatter than he Is. (Great lenghter ) When he
went away I could wear his jacket; he was not no much
smaller than me. When I parted in 1813 he was not so
terribly thin. His face is stoukr, but ill, the eame growth
of face ; his nose Is more on one side. Ile never had so
march hair—not so long, not el thick, not so enrly. I don't
think he used to comb his hair at all: It was all of a '• fuzz "
—very Hire mine. He talked very broken when he went
away. I had hard work to mate It nut; he hardly talks
plain now, but he talks better. Ile always had a smooth
voice, and has one now. Hie left leg Is rather crooked ;be
bent his knee Iv. I had talked about the model of the boat
to many people ; these models are models of those which I
showed him, which were too large to mat in my pocket.
burnt them the other day. I made them three or four
yearn ago I think I bad there mate when Mr. Peeke
came to Poole. I told him I had them, but I won't swear
this. I had them made because I heard there wag to be a
They are "several," of boats: this le a yawl, this a
stiff, this a ' • kernoo." I thought they would be good evi-
dence. I never told notody wheal I made them, nor whether
they were old or new. I told people when Tichborne's case
Came on they'd be useful. ILt my flee with th,m three weeks
urn mouth ago. They were no use,
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The Cold Justice I thought you made them for the trial.
Yes ; but I thought the others would do ; I could not put
them In my pocket.
Tne Sollcltor-lieneral And this was the end of your
" morals?'
d one told me to burn them ! I'll swear that.

'I he witness was farther cross examined about his affidavit
and other circumstance. connected with his e ~.duet with
reference to this case. tie had had letters from Ttchbwne
when he sent him prawns. Some may be at home, unless
they are I rokeu up. Ile could not tell why he did not put
them into the envelope in which other letter. bad been
brought up and produced by him to-day.
Letters were read from the claimant to the Dowardr
Lady Tlehl-orne, In which allusion was made to "Old
Gould," and a letter sent by him to hat, but he saht he
could not " mind " writing to her.
Mrs. Masla Gould, wile of the last witness, said that she
knew Mr. R. lichhorne in 18`,2 and 1053 Bar husband used
to go lishirg and shooting with him. She saw the plaintiff
In Poole. Ile called at her house, anti she recognised him
when be was lea carriage with two other people. She knew
him as S r R,ger by his eyes and his features and his walk.
She had no doubt about his being the man.
The Solicitor. General I 5111. p we II I were to cram-
examine you till to-morrow moruirg you would be just as
certain
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Witness I should.
The Solleitor-Cleneral Then I won't do so ; I will let you
go. (Laughter.)
Mrs. Martha L,gg sold she was formerly mended to Mr.
Fisher, of Upton, and she did washing for Sir R ger whilst
he stayed there S'ie saw the plaintiff at the " London
Tavern " lintel. She saw the plaintiff move his eyes and
smile, and then she went up, held out her hand, end said,
"110 w do you do, Sir Roger." In a few minuet he recol-
lected her, and said she was his former laundress.
The further hearing was adjourned until Thursday.

[Our limited space precludes tis from giving the entire
proceedings; and we must, therefore, be content with
giving only the evidence of a few of the vtitnessee.l