The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1879-06-10 00:00:00

THE SHAKER OONTROVKRST.
To tAa Editor.

-
Sir.—From what may be metapherkelly termed the
ashes of ' A Non-Sheher." • Pbosaix in the person of
" Nerd.." arises. I ventured to criticise the logic and
English of "A Non-Shaker." sad the fiery wrath of
"Norden" is aroused. Let roe illustrate both cases ; "A
Non-Shaker' states that "The room was literally
crammed Some of our rape:oath (I) young men in the
gallery had evidectly come with the intentbn or creating
. disturbance, as almost before Mrs Gliding began they
were whistling and *therein* disturbing three W4O GSM
to refute the tsethings of the lecturer I disagreed with
the sesumption that the noisy portion of the audience,
' who unquestionably constituted the minority of those
annoy thole "who cams to re /141.4" Kra
&Mt e I
a x otaad. an opinioa that to the insjority of
those present Mrs. 'balm( and her opinion' were strange.
and theta, the act of refutation implied an antecedent
association, such a majority oould not consequently come
to refute Nis. tilirlint Of her and her vagaries all
present had doubtless heard, but that this Woos
establishes my contenthe of dreariness cannot. I think,
be maintained. I W 44 present 010e000 00 aoon as the hall
was opened and saw most of those who entered. and I
should imagine that amongst them the ref Stare were few
md fu between. By what I could learn cariosity was
the procnineut inducement to attend. Seversl inters*.
wesense by a few present were put Kra. Gliding, but her
theories were never refuted. " Norden" says that the
Idea of Mutation implying an aatecedent association' is
grafts SO lilt ; taws I am indeed sorry to hear it.
lot los take the delloition of the word from Notian's
mum., (the derivation I deem tutisecess.ryi " &Into
Vs. to overthrow by argument —to disprove.' Can
"Norden- do either of thews. they are in fact eyeenyssees,
without an mast:44W aseseisnitos You moat be pre
eieuely ecoomonted with that which you overthrow of
disprove. I have tried to be as 4,14404 at Pasaiht•
In order to bill/ ..undalsation within the cote
prehension of" ammo- and I trait I here seconded
" Norden' lays he refining from any remarks respecting
my teeth fa the she of artheessesto Why I rimers
kith particular emll4lritee. I camel ear. I ism mood.

THIS
ETSINTE.-11711(0/MA----'"".....T.
an wbou I Wow who were peewit were the Mind I
know amessemist to many would not be the result of
witnessing an exhibition of this nature. Grieved to them
would have been a more suitable espy...lon. I paid,
however, to witness • representation of Sbakeriern. I did mARK
not expect to hem anything but the eteanstleiag Of all Wh.at mold quietly; but fine maims
ignorant fanatical old woman. sad I vernal disappointed. English and foreign growth were Quite
I laugh et thu.. reverend gindlernen, Meseta Sikess and at later rates. Fine oats were 41 'is
Cluid%and, and Ido the mine at Men flirting. If, instead aorta dull; maim, inactive • euek.
; Eno ; p0u:4161..
of " stumping the county " with two or three lusty young ing ; flour, inactive,
fellows, and shout twice es many lasses of a similar type,
idling about during Um day and making an exhibition of
themselves at night. with ell the socompartiment. of METItOPOLITAN CATTLE.
strolling players, including • business manager—if instead .. —HONtity.
mcmii
no maths, how bumble, and intelligent conformation to the Trade quiet, at from 41 to 54
arerita:L.m.l:..ht:dataug.i.hittahe,_r I:lolotiwodersi.tlii:liodlgeonittlh'iadignlaboz.
an:Lbou6:
6,000;
trabd:Sta:t.lify
abbeAL__t 1,700
• So
r‘ft 12,000
Of the workshop and th• sanculier of Use close, I would 7.81 to ; to g
li.ses to 7.
have honoured Era flirting. no matter what her creed per filba At Deptford 700 31'84
might be, as • public benefactress. ' and lambs were on off la 11 000 t°
Norden" says "but if 'Nan-Shaker • attempts the er.
Weep
task of removing what moms to me so deeply-rooted I am
afraid he will find a discouraging nubject I out easily
credit his inability to fathom the famtionmsees in a
' Non-Shakers' letter. I saw acme Whose Inability is
this? "Non-Shaker', I" "Noe-Shakers inability tome
the lacetiousnem of his own Letter? Really " Norden ' you
must be more particular. or ergo "• Non-Shaker" will
ultimately decline your interference. "I saw none," of
comas, precludes lb. possibility of anyone elm seeing
differently. Nothing e having • good opinion of 050'
set?. evidently. Let me, however, remind " Nerd..." and
I want to do so kindly, that there are more things in
heaven and earth than sre dreamt el, even in his
philosophy. As to suggeding • dose of Whideley to him, I
assure him I should do nothing of the kind A more
elementary work would •pp•rently better answer the
purpose. "Norden" further states " when I read •
Non-Shaker's' letter I did not for • mousiest think he
accused the audience es possemon of deluded Wade.'
Possibly, "Norden" did not, but thought, do not alter
facts. 'Dais is what a" Non-Shaker" mid—" Mrs. Girline
gave her address in a clear shrill voice, the audience
occasionally giving signs of impstieuee and non-accept-
mane of her teanhing, which moused to show • deluded
mind" Will somebody kindly toll" Norden' the English
of this? Hordes also says "1 hold that Mrs. Gilding has
a right, Sean Enslishwoman and • Shaker, to he beard
without anyone interfering." Who say. CA has not I I
never even hinted to the contrary. " Norden' says be
knows no, what I meant by commenting upon the remark
of "Non-Shaker" an to one portion of the audience disgrac-
ing armour, as notions was •wen hinted at in this respect
in • " NerpShsker's" letter. If Norden will refer to that
letter he will fled that "Non-Shaker" speaks of the emus
which ensued as "a disgrace and an insult to those who west
to hear bar. " Norden" has evidently over-looked this. As
it would be tedious to notice oil" Norden's " remarks I will
briefly refer to the conclusion of his Litter. He says "An
to Stialterism and other beliefs being out-comes of
ignorance and credulity, they are matters in which each
has his own conscience to satisfy." What 1 said was this
" ehakerism is but another outoonie of ignorance and
credulity, and that much of that which appertains to
other beards is Ute mine I firmly believe. At any
rate I shall be glad to hear of one of which this cannot be
mid." This I repeat. What "Norden" moans by con-
science I know not. Dr. Watson describes it as an
I adocaUocial development, the action of which varies
according to circumstances, as may be seen by the very
same actions being esteemed virtuous in one counu y and
Mame in another. Professor William, says "Faith is
meritorious us tar only as it is a proof that we use
our intellectual faculties in the pursuit of truth, just
as seeing is a proof that we use our eyes, or A
that we use our ears." The lame may be iral.riri of
n
conscience. A pereon's views and actions may be of the
moot absurd and dangerous character, at the mine time he
may be deeply conscientious. For instance the shakers,
the original community, of which the Girlingites are •
continuation, mooted that Anna Leese, styled by them
the elect Idely, was the woman spoken of in Revelations,
that she spoke seventy-two tongues, which, though
unintelligible to th• living, were not so to the deal—that
she was the mother of all the elect, trevailid for aU the
world—that their dancing denotes tbe victory over sin.
Then main we have the Southcotters or followers of
Joanna Sonthcot. • reputed prophetess. Joanna gave her
to/towers • sesled Mt 114•11 paper with her signature, for
which they bad to pay half-a-crown, and by which they
were led to think they were sealed for the day of redemp-
tion, nod that all Uwee twho were possessed of them seals
would be signally honoured by the Messiah when he oomes
again. Joanna at Ind declared herself pregnant with
another Ilemish, who was to be called Shiloh. Her
followers had a costly cradle prepared at an expense of
.1300. Altar her death her deluded &gelid**, alter having
been compelled to inter her, persisted in the belief that
she was to bear the Shiloh, and gave out that she would
rise again with ihe child in her mom Clergymen believed
in her, and at Ashton-under.Lyne they had • temple
which oost £9,100. (See Bucks Theological Dictionary
for further IMorwation harems). Swedenborg, when
along Lnespside, fall prostrate on the ground,
Telaleclared he had seen Moses paining. Toe
iihmolifies of religious beliefs, in fact, would fill •
Ilingesised volinne, which might not be interesting in them
rmis owetiou Armies. " Hisllslujah Irv:Mere," and
**Gospel Mongers." And yet I believe the majority of
these simpletons ore conscientious. " Norden finally
Intimates that Paley might enlighten me. With the
works of that great, good, and scholarly divine I am not
unfamiliar, and that familiarity has been an intellectual
delight for ye/Ara With his opinion I conclude that there
is nothing more painful and surprising "than ti me
millioas or robust men, in the complete use and examine
of tinar personal f amides, and without any detect of
courage, waiting upon the will of • child, • woman, a
driveller, or • lunatic."
Emote=
June 7th, 1879.
Norrespondeute on this subject must not exceed the
limits of six hall•sheets of notepaper—one mac—ED. 3

DORCHESTER
SANIIRDALY'S CORN MAR,Kirr,
Of wheat there was a small show, and
full rates checked the sale, bairn warning a r 747 tion. Quotation. were about 38e to ,tts, ost„. won
very firm, from El Lc to El 41. Hats• met a r.„d
sale, at about adranoe, being quutiid from 26t.
ah Linseed cakes were worth more mcory, from
to £lO per ton.

DORCHESTER
SATURDAY'S CATTLE blunt
Moderately good goPPIY of dock, and not ea*
alteration in the prices of last week. Store bulk tit to 115 per head; heifers and mite'. £l2 to Zs ;
barrenerit 210 to al6 ; fat beef, 12s 64 to 11. It prr
mom ; mutton, 9.1 to 14 per lb. ; lamb, 104 to Ild; b 4
,41,,,., gp, to 804.—At Idr. Bneor's rep:tutor, sals,
mutton was in good supply; bat of lat hes! rely , moderat• offer, at 14s to 15s per mon fot, boo
mutton, 94 to Rd i lamb, 10d to 11d. Berroft4
fetched £22 to 1:35 10. per pair; beihre aad ethic
£l3 to VI 104 each. Horn ewes, 46, to %owl,
lambs, 264 64. There was • good attendaaes, cotsidts.
ing the weather, and a capital clearance was effout
SALISBURY CORN. FRIDAT.—The rasrkst em e" quiet. Not much Wetness was done in either we:r ~,
our, but prices remained without change 0.4 .._
firm in !aims Maim was steady. Barley, he... "X
pen, were
FRIDer.--The h. 11.01 dope jo
wheat was on a limited scale ; holders. however. reh....,
Iron'
0,244.4 freely, and the rate. of Toeelsy Irell my..
tamed. Flour quiet Maim in molerate remelt .; 6,24
to es sid per rental tor new, the bulk of the km. 44, 4
the lowest price. _ _ --_ . ....—.... __.

SHEPPON MALLET,FRINT—ViIIeat. Ms hi tit ;
Parley, 319 e te Ms ; Oata. 401 t. 01. Peas,
3ge to 464 ; Flour, 30a to 31s; Bread, alp, in km. Bid.
ltOl44pereior.M.llbve 4. m
9d ; Lamb. Is. Fat Pit, P. id tto.
ototo mak
doomsßutter. 134 to It. per nes ; Whey date. Its; Eggs, nt pit
;
Potatoes, Is to Is dd per peck_
SOUTHAMPTON CORN, FRIDAT.--TheN eras a Una
attendance at to-day's market, awl the trade ler all grids
ruled dull at about the prices cf lafit week- Finer quiet.
at lad week's uuotationa Wheat, red. l 2 101 to ;
white ditto, £lO to gig ; Minding barley, tn 3g,
malting ditto, Me tn 46e ; adz Ph to Mis ; heaas, tyn .
paw 40s to AM ; maize, Ms to Vs ; &nu, fin to 32‘.
SOUTHAMPTON CATTLE, FRloll.—Thers wu a
good supply of sheep at hi-day's market. but Mute were
scarce. Trade was much better than last week at Me
following prices, viz Beet 'ether., 6. 41 to Si ni
stone, and beast., 12. td to 13, Per more.
BATH., SATURDAY.— At our market to-day there wai I
Tory restricted supply of corn, and the attendance was very limited. The business done was at the fell rates
last week, viz. :—Wheat, white, Ils to 40* per qr. ; red. 36s to lb. ; barley, El. to Msditto
to 'Jr: 36, to ; oats. Ilk
, ; flour, superfine, 313 s ;piaul ye, 3k
seconds. Ms.
GLOUCESTER, SATIrRIAT. —At today's anstigt the supply of English wheat was small, awl farmers asked
higher prices, hut on the business deep tut weeks mae,
were not exceeded. Foreign wen' *Joe, st quotations. Grinding barley without clua.-e. Naito rather easier. Oats steady.
CORK BU ITER, &Yuan iT. —Ordinary yunk ; &cond., ; Tairdz 71.. ; Fourths. Si. ; rha,,; Mild Cored—Superfine, 10k; Firsts. ; Teak 72,
Number of firkins in the market, MM.
TAUN roN, SATURDAT.—Taeno was a scull misnames at the Cora Ezsumnsa Trade tee very 440, wig
quite holiday one pervadivi the market, Tie intey
trnga was, if anything. • trrl, easier.; bat there war le quotable alteration in any kind of grata.
WAR MI NSTER, SATCROAT.-•-Wbest, 311 te 4.5 s ;
104 to Z 2,; Beans. 110 s to 41., ; Rye, 30. 1031.; Vetches, g.
6a—A good supply of wheat at last week's prim, bet the
trade is eery duk No barley on oder.