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THURSDAY.

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went of a Committee for that purpose.
Mr. Rot:sues thought Lord Palmerston misunder-
stood the scope of the motion, the object of which was
to leant what was dune; whether the system was not •

sham.
The dieeession wee continued by Mr. CLAY, Colonel
STILCS, Mr. CoLLIYis. and Mr. RIDLEY, and the motion
was ultimately agreed to.
Sir J. THELAWNT moved for a Select Committee to
inquire whether it i. in the power of Parliament to pro-
vide, or of this House to recommend, further facilities
for promoting the healthful recreation and improve-
ment of the people, by placing iustitutions supported by
general taxation within reach of the largest section of
the taxpayers.
The motion, after • short discussion, was agreed to.
Mr. 11.0.CPCI: li:111G moved for and obtained leave to
hring.in • Bill fur the further securing the Liberty of

Religious Worship.
The orders hosing been disposed of. Um House
adjourned at 10 minutes to 1 o'clock.

Lord J. RURNELL, in reply to Mr. Liddell, explained
the reasmis which iiiduced the Govenonent of the
United States to exclude British idiips (non any partici•
potion in the trade between NI.W York end California,
by Panamo or Cope Horn, di fined to be • coasting
voyage ; and, in &flower to put by Sir It. Peel
mid Mr. S. Fitzgerarld, he stated the nature of the
communications which hod passed between Her Majesty's
Government mot Sardinia. Switzerland, and France on
the auhjeet of the cession of Savoy.
Mir C. NAPIER wooed a reoolutiou :—"That the
recommendations of the Commissioners on Manning the
Navy ought to be taken into consideration by Her
Mojeoty's Government with a view to carry out the
princles of such recommendations."
Mr. HENLEY suggested reasons why we had failed in
obtaining a reserve. The terms offered to the seamen,
who were • suspicions race, be said, were not sufficiently
distinct and intelligible, and were (rained in a spirit of
mistrust, which made them hesitate.
Mr. LIDDELL said there was no doubt that the plan of
volunteering for the navy had not worked well, and he
anigned several reams for in ill-soonn, ono of which

was that nrged by Mr. Henley. that the terms of enrol- and buckles, which had been found to be injurious to the
went o. re not sufficiently clear, wifely of the pu'olic.
Mr. LIN (MAY said it was not in his power to support Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked if any estimate had been
the motion, for this among other reasons, that lie had made of the eapenses of the war with China ; whether
diss. Weil from all his colleagues of the Manning Cum- any charge would fall on the Indian revenue ; and out
this iou. He had thought the scheme for induciug men of what funds will the expense of transporting the troops
te volunteer into the Royal navy would prove a failure, from India to China be defrayed ?
and it lied au proved, which he regretted, as it was a , Colonel P. HERBERT made an inquiry of Her Majesty's
very serious matter that a scheme of the Government ! Government concerning the 11th article of the treaty
should fail. He developed his own views on the subject with France.
of manning the navy, which had ineffectually premed After these questions had severally undergone dia.
upon his fellow Commissioners. cussions,
Lord C. Pm:ler said he did not mean to oppose the Lord J. BUsSELL, in reply to the last question,
motion, but he should be able to show that the Govern- explained the policy of the Government with reference
I were, as fast as they could, anoint; out, one by one, to the article in question, disclaiming any political view.
1 the reco 11111 l endations of the Cominisaionene. Previous Sir H. CAIRNS pointed out the embarrassment which
to this, however, lie replied to the objections of Mr. the article might create in case of war with any Power,
Henley and Mr. Liddell, observing that it was only au s and the possible jeopardy in which • rejection of a atingle
weeks since the measure to which they referred had clause would place the whole treaty.
come into operation, and that it was hard to cundem a After some remarks by Mr. W. WILLIAHIS upon the
scheme after so short a trial. He was glad to say that extravagance of the Estimates for the Army the House
the delusion which had taken possession of the seamen went into a Committee of Supply, when
was disappearing. He then proceeded to show that the Mr. S. HERBERT, having replied to the questions put
complainte of Sir C. Napier were not well founded, and to him, proceeded to loose the Army Estimates. He
that the Government had not neglected the recou 1111 l end- I admitted that they were enormous, and, after comfier-
ations of the Royal Commissioners, but were carrying lug them with the Estimates of last year, be showed
them gradually into effect, what were the causes of the iucrease. He had, lie said,
After some remarks by Mr. H. TAYLOR, to consider in what manner lie could expend to the
Sir J. ELpHINNToNE pressed upon the Government greatest advantage to the country the money Parliament
the necessity of carrying oat the recommendation as to would vote, and be had made a very large outlay upon
school ships, which lie considered of great imporaucc. I the new rifled guns, which had proved so valuable in
Sir M. Seißottn was glad to hear the assurance given I Italy. and which lout been largely supplied to the navy.
by Lord C. Paget, that the reuommendations of the The Government had thought it better to disembody the
Royal Commissioners would be carried out. He believed I Militia as soon as possible and to add to the regular force
that the improvements in the navy had broken down regarding it, as • general rule, inexpedient that the
the object of seamen in general to the service. Militia should be embodied in (line of peace. He then
Among the available resources of the navy was the specified the different branches of the force which it was
Coastguard service, which he found of great valise in the proposed to augment, the extent of the augmentation.
Russian war, and the reasons upos which it was founded, the apparent
Mr. BIINTINCR %tilted, as upon former occassions, the increase being 20,000 men beyond the number voted last
I reconstruction of the Hoard of Admiralty. year, though, in reality, owing to transfers from India
Admiral %V al.Coll supported the motion, and other causes, the increase was not so great. Ho
Mr. IV. 1). Sec moue insisted upon the importano of denied that the military force of this country, amount-
training ships, as affording a permanent source of supply log to 240,060 men, was too large, or disproportioned to
to the Royal navy, to the 'emulation, in comparion with other nations, and
The motion, after • reply by Sir C. Ncrien, was it lima be recollected, lie adthled, that our anuy was
agreed to. not the army of England only, but of our colonies and of
Mr. WI id.i Ann called attention to flogging in the India. 'lien it was said that our army was • dear one;
army and navy, and moved for certain returns, including I but lie showed by reference to the cost of other armies
the number of men flogged in the year 114.19, and the that this was an error. Having got the inen, lie proceeded
number of lashes inflicted upon each. He expatated to consider how they were commanded, how practised,
upon the cruelty of this (as lie termed it) inhuman how clothed, how armed, how fe I, and what was the
punishment, end read, among other details, the par. state of their health. Vemi all these points lie gave
ticularr of a Cane at W.Ol Midis which awakened a painful minute detail.. With refertne to the health td the army
interest at the tie'. He dwelt clime the demoralising lie ittated (list • great improvement had taken place.
And evaseerating effect upon the spectators of (hi. Taking the mortality in the force at home, the best cri-
debasing torture, which deterred men from entering the tenon, lie showed that its rate had diniinished in all the
navy. different branches, and although this might he owing.
The motion was seconded by Mr. BRISTOW, who he observed, to the army being a great deal younger
observed that the time lied come when this degrading than it was, in the Household Cavalry, which had never
punialiment—degrsding to all concerned—should be beer in the Crimea or in India, the mortality had very
entirely abolished, considerably diminished. After making Nome passing
The House divided, when the original motion was remarks %lon the Volunteer force, and suggestion as to
negatived by 124 to 46, and the return was ordered we their organisation, lie discussed the other Estimated,—
amended. for the manufacturing establishment ; for warlike stores,
Mr. HIINNESST moved for • Select Committee to —shot and shells and ordnance,—with the separate and
inquire into the meant mode of nominating and comparative merits and properties of the Armstrong
examining candidates for junior appointmente in the and Whitworth guns; for barracks, and other
Civil Service, with a view to ascertaining whether items which he thought required explanation.
greater facility may not be afforded for the admiration of He repeated that the amount of theses Estimates was
, properly qualified persons. eneroous, lie hoped that the explanation lie had given
The motion was seconded by Mr. STEUART, and sup. would convince the House and the country that the
' ported by Mr. O'Beigs. Govennueut had done their utuicat to relieve the public
Mr. LAING said the Government could not assent to burden as far as possible cousistant with the circum•
the motion, as they did not think the tnne had quite staoces of the time, which was • transition period in
arrived for such an inquiry, sufficient experience having aluiost every ntaiirirl of war. He concluded by inov-
not yet been acquired. ing a vote of 143,362 men, exclusive of 92,490 in
Sir S. NoRTIICuTZ agreed that the matter had better India.
be postponed. The vote was agreed to, after a disckasion in which
Mr. MAGUiRE supported the motion. Sir It. PEEL, in most amusing speech, delivered a velie-
ques. vehement protest against the magnitude of these Esti-
Lord PALAILIIKToN observed, that this was not •
Con to be submitted to a Committee, but a question of mates in a year of peace, and against the Volunteer
principle, which ought to be left to the Government, movement.
subject to the control of the House. His opinion was, Certain Rills were read a seeped time.
that the present system wee inoat consistent with the I The House, after some further business, adjourned at
public interests, and that a change would not be for the ten minutes to I o'clock until Monday.
advantage of the country or the Government. It
might be satisfactory to the House, at no distant period,
to inquire whether the elimination is or is nut Con-
ducted in a manner best calculated to pro.uote the public
service, arid he should have no objection to the appoint-
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