The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1869-07-10 00:00:00

meverai bills were forwarded a stage, btu more wan ..10 were
postponed until a future day, and the House adjounied.
In the House of Lords, J ely 6, the Duke of Abercorn asked
whether it was true that disturbances had taken place at a
Protestant meeting held in the wunty of Leitrim, and what
steps had been taken to prevent the recurrence of such in
future?
Earl Spencer VOA net able to give any official accounts of
what took place. hut he bell:red that a meeting was held,
and that the Homan Catholics did creme a disturbance,
and provoke a teem+ of the peace. Proceedings will on
taken before • magistrate. It was a matter of great regret
that these meetings should be interrupted, because it was
mint desirable to have freedom of opinion. At the same
time he thought it •as unfortunate that these meetingi
should be held when it was prob.:old th.st a breach of the
peace would ensue.
On the resumption of the COMMlttee On the Irish Church
Bill
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Lord Wens moved the amendment of which he hail given
notiee on Clause 60, to postpone the disposal of the surplus
arising from the Church property. Ilia first lemon was that
It must be a coesiderable time before any surplus would be
realised. Next, he objected altogether to the appropriatiou
of the surplus to support lunatics, and to relieve others from
the obligations fixed upon them by law. He maintained that
It would be better for all parties to leave the matter of dis-
posal of the property: or a future time when the country
would have the opp int/trey of considering the subject, and
making its view. kuow
Earl Granville said he could not willingly accede to the
proposal of the noble and learned lord. With regard to the
objection that there would he no surplus for four or five
years, he pointed out that there was tile power of borrowing
tireatepirloi;ostahl np
e fiif.iiaiiiissiliniers under the Act. Ile condennie
h d
helically to leave the question open for
future agitation. It would verify the prophecies which are
now being made, namely, that the settlement of this question
Will bit give satisfaction.
Lord alalmesbery thought the proposed delay would give
time for the maturing of public opinion on the questiou of
concurrent endowment.
Lord Chyme:trite denied that the Government plan for the
disposal of the surplus was popular in Ireland. Parliament
would do unwisely in parting hastily with its control over so
large scum.
Lord.Taunton had been. In favour of concurrent endow-
meut the wisdom and justice of which he pressed with much
earnestness upon the House, but comudering tile manliest in-
minveniences of suspending the appropriation of the surplus,
he must vote for the clause as it stood.
The Duke of Cleveland reiterated his arguments in favour
Of applying the surplus in part to providing residences for
the ciergy of the various denominations. Ile predicted that
public opinion would decide in favour of his proposal, awl
Irving unable to see any advantage in the particular plan of
the Government or insuperable embarrassment in &Wing a
decision, he should support the amendment.
The Doke of Argyll einigratula fed Lord cairns on having
framed his amendment very skilfully to catch votes, lie
thought it had not been proved, hut rather the reverse, that
there WM anu s petty in Ireland in favour of concurrent en-
dowment. Havnig regard to the Irish, as well as the Faigliah
and Scotch feeling, the Government, whatever nuighC be the
abstract reasons for that principle, heil no alternative but to
decide against it. The presort amendment was, however,
under the circumstances nothing but a proposition for con
current endowment, and for reversing the vote of Friday.
Lord Salisbury regretted the course which Lord Cairns haft
induced his party to take ors Friday, but he vindicated him
at all events from the Duke of Argyll'e insinuation, that he
desired to endow the Roman Catholic Chinch. On the other
hand, he described the Government scheme as another of
the many conjuring tricks played in this bill, lie argned
that the proposed application of the surplus, so far from
being for the luxuries of the poor, of which he presumed
the Government supposed lunacy ti he one, might under the
tall, be applied exclusively to the misintemuice of existing
instittitieus in relief of the landlords from the burden of
their rates.
Lord Kimberley showed that to relieve the county can
would be to relieve the occuplen, and not merely the land-
lords. He reviewed and defended the particular objects on
which the surplus was to be spent. Ile ridiculed the an-
ticipated growth of opinion in favour of concurrent endow-
ment, and he censured the inconsistency of the House in
assenting to the aecond reading and in amending the bill
even as it had done already. The present amendment would
make the coucturence of the other House impossible.
Lord Grey objected in particular to the discretionary
power which the bill gave the Government of dealing with so
vast a sum. They might, so far as the bill went, apply it as an
instrument of organized electoral corruption. It would be
better that the acramble should be gone through in Par-
liament than in the Chief Secretary's apartments.
After a brief reply by Lord Granville to Lord Grey, and
some more last words by Lords Grey and Kimberley and by
Lord Luce°, the !louse which hail been growing very im-
patient, divided, when the amendment was carried by 160 to
90.
Lord Houghton addressed the House on the subject of con-
current endowment.
A somewhat long conversation arose on Lord Stanhope's
amendment to insert a clause compensating the Observatory
at Armagh for the loss of the rectorial tithes of Carlingf ord.
Lord Ihifferin offered for the Government that the case
should be considered at the right time. Lord Stanhope ac-
cepted somewhat reluctantly Lord Cairns' suggestion to post-
pone the amendment till the report.
The Bishop of Oxford proposed to add to Clause 69 a pro-
vision to give the Irish clergy the same status in the Church
of England as the clergy of the Scotch Episcopal church now
enjoyed by statute,
The Bishop of Gloceater approved the clause, hut
doubted whether a saving clause, like Clause 69, was the
proper place for inserting what was In some measure a
disabling clause.
Lord Cairns took the tame view, and it was finally
agreed that the amendment shculd be reserved till the Re-
port.
Clause 69 and the remaining slams were then agreed to,
Clause 72 being amended in accordance with a suggestion
of Lord :Colston_
The House then considered the postponed clauses, 19-22,
which provide for the future government of the Church.
Lord Cairns explained that the object of his amendment
to Clause 19, which had been misunderstood. was simply to
take away the statutory objections to the meeting of the
Irish clergy and laity in Convocation before the date of dis-
establishment, for the purpose of framing provisions for
their future Government.
The Archbishop of Dublin expressed the satisfaction which
would be felt in Ireland at Lord Cairn's explanation.
Lord Hominy thought the memlsers of the Church of Ire-
land would after the paimitig of the bill, without any special
provision on the subject, remain members of the Church of
England, arid subject to its discipline, unless they should
themselves others lee determine. He compared the case of
the scotch Episcopal Church.
Lord Cairns reminded Lord Hominy that the Churches of
England and Ireland, though agreeing in doctrifie, mud be
iegarded as distinct churches. What he desired by his
amentimet I was to make it posaible fog the Church of Ireland
to provide for its own reconstruction before disestabliahruent,
without prematurely losing thereby Its status as the Church
of Ireland.
After observations by Lord Courtown, an explanation by
Lord Hominy, and remarks by the Lord Chancellor, who,
though believing the bill gave the Church all substantially
that it needed for its reorganisation, was ready to consent
to amend the clause no as to remove the doubt Lord Cairns
thought possible.
Lord Cairns' amendment was accepted with some altera-
tion, and Clause 19 was then agreed to.
The Archbishop of Dublin's emendment, to save the rights
under the ciii of any clergy man whii may dissent from future
changes In the articles or rites of the Irish Church, WSW dis-
cussed and the clause, with the Archbishop's amendment,
was eventually agreed to without a division.
Clouse 21 was agreed to, Lord Romilis is amendment in
Clause 21 to make the appeal from decisions by any Irish
Civil Court on any point of doctrine or disciplitie of the
Church of England lie, not to the House of Lords but to the
Privy Council, being, on the Lord Chancellor's opposition,
withdrawn.
Clause 22, as amended by Lord Cairns, was also agreed to,
a second amendment by Lord Cairns to the clause being
reserved by him till the Report in consequence of the this-
uess of the House.
The preamble, as amended by Lord Cairns, no as to bring It
into conformity with his amendment on Clause lis, for the
postponement of the question as to the surplus, was also
agreed to. The bill then passed through Committee, and was
ordered to be reported on Friday.
Lord Granville explained, in answer to the Duke of Rutland,
the circumstances of the Jeanie of certain treed in Kenaing-
ton-gardens, and their lordships adjourned.
In the !louse of ('ommons, the Committee on the Contagious
Diseases Animals. Bill was taken at a morning sitting. some
home were occupied in fighting over again the battle of lam
year on an ammititeent to Clause 15, moved by Mr 0 S
Read. It required the slaughter at the met of landing 'with
certain exceptions) of all cattle imported from countries in
which the disease has existed within the last 18 mouths, and
it was rejected on a division by 221 to 160. Progresss was
then made with the bill up to Clause 44.
At the evening sitting, Mr. H. Richard brought under the
notice of the House the recent proceedings of certain Tory
latellords in Wales towards their tenants on account of
their votes for Liberal candidates at the last election. The
gist of his complaint, which in the main was illustrated
from electoral events in Cardiganshire and Carmarthen-
shire, was that though the vast majmity of the Welsh
people were Dissenters and Liberals, their Tory landlords
treated the votes as part of their holding, and visited those
who did not support their candidates with ejectments and
increased rents. Ile narrated numerous instances of these
practices, and concluded with • resolution eondemning them
as unconstitutional, oppressive, and an inftingement of
popular rights.
The motion, which was seconded by Mr. 0. Morgan in a
speech of characteristic warmth, was afterwards withdrawn.
Mr. T. Chant hers called attention to the recent correspond-
ence between the Poor Law Board and the alarylehone
Guardians in reference to the separate education of
Roman Catholic children. In the course of a lolig speech
Mr. chambers made an animated attack on Dr. Man-
ning and other Roman f atholics, who had delib-
erately set themselves to oppose the policy of mixed
education saticHimed by Parliament, and he ended
with a resolution declaring that where Guardians have made
provision for the religious iustructlon of Nonconformist
children within the workhouses the Poor Law Board might
not to order their removal to schools not under the control
of the parish authorities.
Mr. Quiches defended the action of the Poor Law Board on
general grounds of policy and on the economical advantages
to the ratepayers.
The discussion was! continued by Mr. Newdegate, Mr.
Syrian, and Mr. Whalley, and on a division the motion was
rejected by 71 to 29.
The other business was disposed of, and the House ad-
journed.
In the House of Commons, July 7, after several enquiries
of no public Interest had leen answered,
Mr. T. Hughes, hi moving the second reading of the Trades
Unions, de , Bill, adverted to the horrible outrages which had
been investigated by the trades Union Commission at Shef-
field, and on behalf of the trades unioa, repudiated any sym-
pathy with those crimes. He maintained that the aficieties
were, as a rule, well conducted; and contrasted the condition
of the labouring classes who were members of unions to the
state of thom who were not In reply to the argument
that the leading men in trades unions were generally
agitators, who lived upon them, he stated as his experience
that all the leaden of societies were just as much repre-
sentatives of the bodies to which they belonged as that
House was the representative body of the constituencies of
the cotintry. The bill simply asked that matters and
men should he allowed to make their own bargains, arid
that protection should be given for the funds of trades so-
cieties, and he urged the Rouse to allow the second reading
of the bill.
Mr. J Brassey said that no law, however oppressive, had
succeeded in putting an end to comeinatbms. The lalsonriug
classes had a perfect right to combine toget her to regulate
the wages to be received for their labour. He should
vote for the second reading because he thought combina-
tions, as comhinations, ahould not be punishable by law.
At the same time, legislation on this subject must be fol-
lowed by legislation with regard to intimidation.
Itdr Charley, as representing the trades uriloniats of Salford,
supported the bill.
Mr. Platt also spoke In support of the measure.
Me Plimsoll said that the suspicion and diatrust or Govern-
merit, which had formerly cluirimterised the labouring
classes, had be, n succeedsid by gratitude for the legislation
of the last twenty years; and especially fir the Factory Acts
for which they were indebted to hen. gentlemen opposite,
and for the repeal of the Corn Laws Thee were new a pro-
vtdent, refer, WA industrious body; arid' the hen member
paie a high tribute to them courage and moderation. He
urged the House to do whatever was possible to ameliorate
their condition, and expressed his approval of the bill.
Mr. E Potter poinied out that the friendly societies at-
tached to the unions were merely used to serve the purposes
of the unionists. He was opposed to the bill because it was
Inn favour of combinations to prevent competition. and drew
the attention of the House to the vexations restrictions
pieced on the bricluimking trade in Manchester by the trades

unions.
Sir Wentworth Mike said that the bill was a step in free
trade, and would do away with special legislation on trade

matters.
Mr. Mendells said that trades unions were in favour of the
system ot arbitration which had produced so many good re-
sults. Ile trusted the Boone maid pass the hill.
Lord Galway should not oppose the second reading of the
mil, nut thong/a an niters, ion should he made in some of tile
clauses lie read a petition complahing of acts of violence
and intimidation committed by unionists upon non-unionists.
Mr. Bruce thought the majority of the House would be in
favour of a measure for giving protection to the funds of so-
cieties, even when they were devoted to other purposes
than tho,e of Friendly Societies. There could lie no
reasonable objection to giving protection to societies when
their proceedings were not of a criminal nature. it would
be ale to abrogate some of the eilitins laws, but