The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1871-11-18 00:00:00

THE TICHBORNE CASE.

flie trial was again rest 41 on Friday (the forty-
fourth day of the hearing), when the eiturt and its eur-
roundings Atoned that. the iiiterei,t taken in this re-
markable suit 101 in no way abated ; and when the
Cella t.th Milled, warty 141111"11f,^it the UMW.' outside
had been patiently waiting the whole
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Andrew BO* again entered the witness box, and Ms
cross esainhugion was continued by the Attorney4leneral.
The witness said I gave the plaintiff no insdss or papers
I.othose 1 have mentioned. I don't write much. 1 kept to
journal or note of my life. I hunted in thin country on
chrixtrons Day, 1866.
When was it you first went to Tichbornel -In about a
fortnight after I arrived. The plaintiff sent first &bit tele-
graphed for me.

lilt >nan go into the house! -I went over three rooms.
This was the day 13 inn New hears Day. I .only went into
three rooms : the ninhez riot, drawing room, and Ti r,3011
that used to he sir I... Nerd $ .Ip.ont. I went into no other
room. The housemaid took me into the rooms. The claimant
was at this time at the SlV:lll,,Alrt.Cord. I don't know that
he then went 11 the liato • of t nevi r spoke to any
one of limoi as Tay I ir. I lit in it lock the door of the
room where rhil:litt W:l3, I nhannt know whither It was
locked. Tao io "ph. asked me whether Sir Roger Was
there, foul I said "No." I 11111 not say there was a person
called Taylor there, lint that the person I called Sir LoAer
was .it tiroveseint I old) sta)eil ut Tielitiortio Iwe night. I
don't know what 111IY the plaintiff went to Tiehborile. When
returned I went hack to Ford's Hotel. The plaintiff Caine
bark in the same train as I dhl. Ile did not gin to Ford's
Hotel. I believe lie went hark tin tiravesenil. >1 r. l'itilington
rolled on line soon after I returned tin Pohl's. Ile a.skeill fir
the elaimant. I mini se eatieeted him every day—every hour
or half Inour- every minute. I never saw the plaintiff :wain
till I saw him in Park. I 311 W Mr. l'ullingten at the hotel
two or three different time,.

I 4.1 you tell him that the plaintiff IVAA Very Angry at your
making an appointuo lit Cr l'ullinkton to see him did
not—nothing like that. 1 did not say why he could not see
hi to—l did not know.

Have you any views of Upton there now I.- -I have. (The
witness handed in two lithographic viownof different aspects
of Upton House). I have also the portrait of Sir Edward
DoughtT. (The " portrait" was handed in. It was a half
gore cut out in black paper mid pasted on to white paper.
Witness: There are also two photographs Dom the litho-
graphic view. They Were tAkell In Spilley- no, at Croydon,
Re-etammed : The lithographs I received from Lady
Doughty. The photograph now handed to me is one of Sir
K Doughty, but it Is Wit a particularly go4lii. The first day
I LAW Sir Roger I wont to tatilfoyle and WW:e a communica-
tion to tutu.

Who is Mr. Fitrgeraki -I don't know. I believe he lo n
relative d the family.

The Attorney General: lie Is a bwrister and married
Miss Talbot, and therefore is one of the hunily.

Witness : When I that saw him he smeared very angry
with me. Re said there would be no sir Roger if it were
not for me. lie said I was encroaching and intruding by
bring at Tichbome. Ile said this on the second occasion.
You told persons enquiring for Sir Roger that you slid not
know where he Was, and why did you say that 4—Because I
knew from him that he did not wish to see them.
Patrick Ogan lam a private in the Royal Horse Guards
Blue. I enlisted in the nth Dragoon limirde its October,
1645, whem I was 21 years :nisi months old. I was in the
regiment three yeas! tupl nine nmatliS. I recollect young
Tichborne. I saw him five days out t.f the seven. I lied saw
the plaintiff iii March, 1667, and talked with him for forty
minutes or IM hour. The idaintiff is the man who was 111
my see' .nt. I tiny., flit the slightest doubt about it. I
have served abroad, and have thieve medals 81111 also good
conduct stripes.
The Lord ehief Justice, at the end of the examination in
chief, suggested that the crmis-examinatiou of this class of
witness might be shortened.

The Attorney.ucneral said that no needless questions had
been put, and it was, Indeed, impossible that anybody. at
least with less experience than his lordship, could imagine
what case the defendant had to produce.

The Lord Chief Justice had no wish to cast the slighteat
blame, for no one could know what was material lout the
defendant's counsel. But these witnesses deposed to matters
of tpinion.
The Attorney-General : I will not eras-examine, because
I never knew a witness who expressed as opinion publicly
afterwards change it—that is, change it to say so in public.
(Laughter).
The witness was then cross-examined. After looking to
my affidavit, I see that it was in March, 1868, that I saw the
plaintiff. I went to see him in consequence of McCann
coming to me. I had not seen him for many years. Ile
asked me if I recollected Sir Roger in the Carhineers. I said
Tea" Ile said •• Ile has grown very big." I sail "if he is
as big as a mountain I would know him." A laugh),

Mr. Hawkins : That mud depend upon the size of the
mountain.
Witness : McCann and I talked shoot old times for an
11,ur. At Croydon I saw McCann and ('trier, aml two female
servants. I was in the drawing room with the plaintiff for
forty minutes. ltaigent was there all the tin,

Re-examined I reeognised the plaintiif by the exprevdan
of his conntenanue. He had rather a high forehead allti a
long nose. As to the loiter part .4 his looiy, he hat rather
a peculiar walk, the very sonic ao !toga Tiehborae
ser,,,..ant James Cairns, a warder in Norwieh Castle, sahl
he ass twenty-four years and a inonth in the Cazhiseers. lie
drilled Rower 'Claiborne.

Was he an easy drill?—Very stupid. Ire had a peculiar
twihrldng in the eye, and thr.:w one of his legs out more
than the other In walking. I saw the plaintiff twelve
a,,,,ths sea at the %Vat..loo Hotel, in Jertnyipstrcet.
canto to the O,IIOIIAI n that he was the Mr. Tichbornc that
I drilled. I have Oat the slightest doubt about the neater.

Mrs. Nlary Ann i'.jrns, the wife of the last witniS,,
Its was so in I'49.a,ui We lived in the barracks of I.,,rto-
bello. My husband was this drill-corporal. Isubseysenily
saw my husband glnitMeZ Mr. TiellhOThe. lie was a Cat 15.15 e,
and so am I. All I Is ant him say was .41 isis coati, into
use room to ask if there sit re any complaints. He siedie
rattier broken Eitzlitdr I itext saw him at Centel laity. I
saw hill. 011 the ..itith there a ith toy husband, :it the •• Duke
of York " Hotel. Sir Roger recognised nie. and I recognised
Min. Mr. Whiles said, "Do you think I am Sir Mater "
and. I said, “l'ettainly not." The plaintiff then said, "iissw
are you, Mr. (stints i Ile mentioned things that occurred
Its Manchester no, Ivo:band's anii being Isrekeit, null a child
stnother..l in the imipital. I reeeetiiied this plaintiff
by Mt manner, his eyes, and his voice. 1 have tie doubt
trhateVer.

mankinol Ilis fare 1.; eham,rol if omrs,
NI, Haul:ins V..er face leis tint iltaorrJ -Oh
yea it has, anti si liaa mil, 4 latii,4ltter ) My opinions have
t Nly us vi hr ,• Santa ma tli...y abraya tiers
. I cosh! teil S!r ;Mr by his yin etyst are
r .
Alia lie krew )..iir's If course

Si 3, Ili lOW W ic V.P• 41: er yar ey, ?—Yes. (Langl.ter.'
reeollettirg liv 101,1i:ours Ii ii Leto,: broken made a viii:i
impreablon upon me as diktats° thelittlelo.y lining sniotio red.
Have you iliseussed the matter with your hth3haintr•—No
tie are sore he is the aAnie loan.
P.e-exanilne.l : I have not the slirlitest ,hinbt to is the
man, holtnewlent of anything I have Learnt I hare uo
motive In the matter lint ha see right.

Mr. John Andrews : I am junior partner of the witness
called yesterday. We carry in business in Pall-mall. In
1 sin I T111135111,ki SFr. Tivhhorne tea helmet. The measure-
ment was sin. by eta., sin, the length and Min. the width.
On the loth, April, I took an order for some accoutre-
ments, but no helmet. The original measurement fur the
head is always referred to.
Ti the foreman of the jury Mr. Tichleirne was measured
for his chin-strap, lejin. That, I should say, is an under
size a small ordinary size I have not measurol the plain-
tiff's head since his return. The chimstrap;could be mete 17
tactics by altering a screw attached to it.
Colonel Franklin Lushington : I am defendant upon the
record In the capacity of tenant of Tielitionie Park. I hear
expended a emisiderable sum upon the estate, so that
my money interest is against the plaintiff. Before I now
the plaintiff I had formed an opinion indavourable to his
claim. In February, 1567, I got introdueed to the plaintiff in
consequence of a conversation with Sir Hopkins. This was at
Mr. Hopkins house at Alresford. The plaintiff had no access
to my house before, and we walked over to TIAN-inn two
miles, I had given no informothin to hint or any of his friends.
The first room we entered at Tiehborne ilali wee the
dining-room. The plaintiff, as soot as he entered, linked
at the pictures. Ile said, " Oh, there's mamma!" He
seemed affected, fortieth pale, and sat down. It was a por-
trait of Lily Tichborne. The tbite upon it was 1.530, I think.
The picture came after I took possession they came is
anti I bung them. The next picture Sir Roger mid, "I don't
recognise' It was a picture of ray father painted in Is6g.
That was the only picture tint did not belong to the Tick-
borne family In the room. The " Dole " picture, he said,
looked fresher :It had been lately changed. There is a
door In the passage, and I think he remarked, "That Is the
door leading to the chapel." lam not quite certain of this,
so many things have been told me. There is an unfinished
wing to the house. Ile noticed there a picture if our Saviour
carrying the crucifix. It is a great daub. Ile said it was
one he hail sent home. There was a skin of a bird he bail
sent lime. I think is said that he had cured it. He
worked the akin with lis hands.

Was there anything that attracted your attention in
passing?
The question was objected to and not pressed.
Witness : The plaintiff made a kind of French gesture with
his hands. I said, " Will you come again ?'' and he said,
"dons eeremonie," or without " ea-remind..." He said •' rem-
monis " awl not " ceremony." This is the bird skin which
has been referred to. lie tried on one of Roger's helmets.
It was rather tight. I have idiom seen the plaintiff, awl done
alit could to bring lam into e..mnitillicatioli with members
of the family.
tross-examined : The helmet was a tight fit. I shoot! not
like to wear a hat so tight fir long. I took the house for 7,
14. or 21 years, and it was part ii the agreement I nhionlii by
out £21.0 upon it. Many persona hml access to the house
whilst repairs were going on. louring this time I lived at
Winchester, and went over twice a week. In March. 1-65, 1
went there with my family. Several times since in each sear
I have been absent from Tichle Tee Hall for a week or a fort-
night at the time. The pictures came from Mr. Bowker to
Tichborne Hall. lint know wlom they had belonged is.
They were the family pictures. The three pictures I have
mentioned were the elily ones the plaintiff noticed. Laity
Tichborne's picture was lull life-size The holy is in A black
satin dress, I believe. She has a yellow shawl, and a low
dress.

there any striking feature about the picture /-14 he Is a
very beautiful woirlahl. 8114 the 111110 IS very well done. ma
picture had not been reni.vt.4l from Its positinn
1 hung' it nivrelf The holy inn the picture is seated. I had
Dot had the "Dole" picture donna up.
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Don't you know toot the picture was done lip for the
dowager her-elf, and that she paid £45 for 11?—1 don't
know', I liner heard something about it. The room Is hung
round with
pi...tures, but there are only two family portraits.
The •. Inde ' pi lure is a veil beautiful one and well known
in Ihunpshire. It hi about Cft, by 415., and repreAoits the
con of ran Tichhaan. Pale." Itchy Van 'rellna.g..
hutch painter. The ph.ture in the unimisheill wing was not
hong.

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hAt was a strilsing picture was it not?- Striking for ita
bvloes4

Mr flaw examining the skirt oof 1,n1,1, "It ;3
oiti C k itheismailt—it tlist.-
,
. .

I Ile .1..11 deeayi..,:, was, ambl firqrle laUghter,
by [hr. Joey
:It trek IP, a F.,-es pheacant Ti the hest a
my judgment it wits a c pheasant. It Is the skin of 311
animal very much Mu it. (Laughter. I don't think it is an
English rock pheasant. I am, 11,w-ver, no sp,rtsman. I
lent plaintid but not to carry .4i the litigation. I
oiler., hint £lOO a lien I thought him hard up, alai I a.lsisted
his wife uml family when ho was away. I should think
altogether I hare all the plaintiff t 760. I appear in the
sehedille for Ll.,One 11, intercat wonld make it about that.
Mr. Mohacs showed me a picture of old i irton.

Did you ,my you thom,ht you, saw a strong likeness 'I- I
don't think I said strong likeness. " I may have sail,
"The eyebrows are very like." I did not say the portrait
was "very like." I don't remember the date of my seeing
this. I saw it at Mr Holmes's office. I was precut at the
Meeting at Alreslord when Mr. Scott was in the chair. I
heard the plaintiff deny that the letters were his haml-
writinz. I did not believehim. I thought he was telling
all untruth. I expressed my opinion.

nut he was a" thundering liar?'*- I don't recollect using
the words, but I might have done in.

Re.examined : Was- Charles Orton prefient at the meeting?
The Cliltatil.ll was objected to and not pressed.
Witness There was a piece of paper in the helmet. It
had been pat in evidently to make the helmet fit him. I
expect no benefit from the money that 1 have advanced the
plaintiff.

A long correspondence between Mr. Holmes and Mr.
Bingby, a witness who has already been examined, and the
plaintiff Wnt called for and read by the Attorney-General.
The Lord Chief Justice, In the course of a discussion, said
that as he understood the Attorney-Oeneml hail never seen
the correspondence, but was now simply reading it to IWO
what was in It.
Mr. SerJeant Batlantine said he .lld not see the bearing of
the letters, but In his opinion the letters that were dated
after the Interview between the plaintiff and Mr. Liugby,
were not evidence.

lt was arrangedthat the lettere should he looked at to see
what kttera were Important, and which letters should be
read at a future time.

Xli.Serjeant hallantine said that it had been believed
that thurle's eVideliVii would have taken a ilincl longer time .
hat he hail beau able to COlidallYe it, and tile cuumegaelice
ow was that he hail an altaeaava ta in oil a
Holmes and lir ltaigeat, whom proofs he had not read. 11,
tin retire anggeated that no time would be loaL by the court
adjtairning.

110 4tilstke flare 3..0 made up your mind am
to mm lietlier you mil read the Australian or C.OIIIIIIIA
Blois ?

Mr. Scrjeant Itallanthw I line, 110 t yil made up Me Milli!,
but I Isdirie that I a ill only read the evidelive of the a it-
nesses fr Aintralia. Possibly I may be aide ti finish lily
short witnesses on Tuesday tir Wednesday, and then I shall
pursue the course I have indicated already.
Arnold Hamlet, a troop sergeant la the Lanershire Ye°.
manry Cavalry, was then called. lie said 1 aim formerly
troop sergeant in the ctli olagallll tlurteils. I knew Mr.
Tioliberne In the regiment from 101 l to rs,i. In Isas I hiL
the plaintiff at the Vktoria llotel, Liverpool. I believe he
is Sir 11. Tichlmrae, formerly of the Carbineers.
Henry Wood I sin now a florist. I sins formerly head
gardeswr at Tichborne from October, 18.19, to September,
ISW. I raw Rorer when he came there. I saw the nlaintilf
at the Waterloo Hotel .itli two other gentlemen. I piel,l
hink out when I saw him. I asked hint if he recollected a
particular eiremostanee, and he said, •. Were there Indies
present?" nail Yes :" and he said, "Was it the planting
of a tree In front of Tiehlmote ii.ioe Y" and I said " Yes "
I luta mentioned thin to no one I belies; him to lie sir
Tiehi.rne.

Cross-exandinvi : The tree was planted II his 214 birth-
day. Many people were present. Miss inane might have
been aniong the number.
'rho adjournment then took platy until Tuesday, all.l
It ut iirnilltitni that having nit gill Titi!niny amid Wednes-
day St till adjour 1111 l Olt should take place until the limiday
folio% ing
The coin t adjmirned at two o'clock.

The !tiering of the case was costumed on Tuesday morning
Captain JACO), Sankey, R.N., was the first witness called.
Ile said—l am now upon the retired list, :old I maid., at C 001,,,
,,, re, Tipperary. I knew Roger Tichboene when he WWI
quartered at Clonmel. A nephew of mine wait the Captain
of Ills troop. I frequently saw Mr. Tichbome, and have dined
with him several times. I have a good recollection of hint. I
now the plaintiff about a )ear ago at the Waterloo Hotel.
Ile lii not know that I was coming. 1 all, " 1.10
you know who I ant 1" Du said, " You are Captain
Kellett," and then immediately added, "till, no you are
l'aptv in Sankey, hut you are -It altered." f asked
I • "f he recollected my nephew's charger. Ile said, " Yes,
It was a eheenot, herrhag-backe.l, and a devil to ride." This
was a good &script . I mused kiln if he recollected my
Iln.ther lirlaw, the Rev James Morton. Ile said, .• Yes, he
WARR great bigot." The feet was that lie nscd 111 Roger
for not eluting twat on Vridays, aml for wearing something
iiiiiiiiiiiii with religion round Ms neck. I ratite (Al town on
Friday, and brought with sir a portrait which the plaintiff
bud never seen. I believe there is one copy of it, which 51rs.
Kellett has. I said, " 11-Minis it!' Ile tail, That is poor
Sam ; there is no need to look twice." Sam was Captain
Morton, the captain of Ids troop.
Do you believe him to be the young Tichborne of former
days h—Certainly.
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Cross-examined : I have no dollla at all about this. Before
I went to see the plaintiff last week I had no communication
In reference to this case except a !Mar from Baxter. Rowe,
anti Norton. I saw Major Kellet in March, larel. I knew
that letters paused between him and the plaintd. I was
not apf lied to to cone over to this country then. At that
tinfea person Caine to Major Kellett for the defendant, hut
he dull ma come to me.

can you ace t Cr this passage in a letter of the
plaintiff 4 Will you therefore be so good as to help ine by
coming over with Captain Sankey, on Wednesday or 'fliers-
day next ?"
Mr. Sergeant Mallantine Ile cannot account for what
another person has written.
Witness continued The writing of the letter is like the
handwriting of the plaintiff, but I cannot say it is his.
The Attorney-General (to the plaintiff): Is it your baud
writing )- It is.
The letter was read. It was dated in Mare' ISO, was ad
dressed to Major Kellett, and contained the passage above
mentioned.

Witness: When the plaintiff first saw me, he mistook me
for Nlajor Kellett. We are not :dike. The chestnut home
WM not lite one that threw and killed the groom. The pho-
tograph handed to me is a likeness of l'aptainSanmel Morton.
I cannot say whether I hare seen other phohatraphs of tap-
tam Morton. The "m,rtrait " of Captain Slorton is a
daguerreotype, rho plaintiff recognising it struck me very
much.

Supposing you had been aware that the plaintiff had seen
portraits of l';lptaill Mort,.ll, WOlllll It have struck you US
nineh then cannot say. I put the likeness Into my
poeket to use it as a t,st. I know Mr. Cook. Ile lives at
Kill an Csstle I met Mr. Cook's uncle there. Ile was
acquainted a ith the plaintiff. Ito not know whether they
c:.rresponded. I cannot say what toms of inthmiey they
were upon.
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Mr. James Holmes mitt - Tarn a private In the f,th Dragoon
Guartla, which I Jiiilll,l itt 1649. I rementher Mr. Tieltiterne
in the regiment. I heard two years ago of the claimant
when Mr. Itowker I.llllle VI the Corned' Camp. Ile
asked me whether I knew Mr. 'fichbortie, Roil I said
did very well, Ile showed me Some photographs. 'Hie
limb graph spor hand., tonic is of Mr. Tiettliornc, but it
IS not similar to are he showed me. I Me,atal out :Ir. Tich-
borne. as he was iTI the regiment, and Mr. Tichborne as he Is
woe. NI, Pala kvr said, "Oh, Tart sense." Ile took down
lay evidence. I ~:atrie from Dundalk last May, eel saw
I:,.wker and his clerk. I saw the elaintabt on the
Nlay. I Letter'. Ile was getting out of his brougham at the
rof the Court. That wan the first titer I KM Mtn, and
I dial zad wish tO see him their. lat tdiee rtcognivcal him.
Tlit, is not the least doubt On my mind that he is
Tichborim, t dial not communicate my opinion mail I got
n.k to th., regiment, and w, asked what I thought. I laud
11.1110 mmiii r•i11111.1111Ciltioll With thii
,s examined I only saw the piaintiff walk across the
pav,:nent, mei immediately reeoghhaed hum, I w talus
au-11,
t hly shwa twoy aria. I Wilt truly
all zny way to ltriston. I :Liked at gentleman which was the
larise, and lie Mild "111ilt I was i44lktog
rvaml the back of the building when I saw him. When
ROW him I said to a gentleman who stood bp, " That is Mr.
Tichborne."
'ro Sir Hawkins , 1 h,sal been three week. lit London toter
I saw the plaintiff. Mr. hawker I.ften widied me to go and
ale kim, hilt I /131•1 " N rm." I thonght the proper place fir
me 1.1 see him watt in the court-house. They kept asking nie
111 had seen the plaintiff, nail I slant "No." I !ILI not wibli
1., see hint. I was never &lint in my life. I was not tar
drank to see anybody whilst I was in 1.1111.1.11. It wan at the
hawk d.,or that I atm the plaintiff. I then weht cm mid :Ind
asked the Folk...men nt the !tom aI,IT 'lu' t claim .rne 1,1
in, and they i:atid he had jilt in. I a..s their still
more eonvin,ed. The next day lair. Gowker's clerk told ine
to go ha,k, tlut r. 4 evidence sau not reynred. I lawl not
mid *bat try opimon
1:••-0,11101101.: I Imre good e,•nalzh.t stripes which I Otoold
not have if I got (hunk. and 1 hare Dirt e medals for the
erilließ and India. I dial not know until two days Lefore I
statted which side I was coining on. I have not the least
denht whatever that tl.e plaintiff is the nutn.
'ln the Lor.:. Chief Justree : Mr Bowler brought nte over
and kept me trite throe weeks, I did not tell Mr. llowker's
clerk what I thought before I went. I did not give mY
formation to the plaintiff or his lawyer. Last Sunday night
I first sac the plaintiff's lawyer and told him what I thought.
No it situ SatlitilaY : I left 011 Sunday.
tie. Henry Stacitanonly t I am bandmaster of the eth Dragoon
Guards. I was subpteisaed for the defendant ill IS7O when
the trial was expected to come on. I have the subpoma iii
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the Attorney-General : I think there is sonic mistake.
tV limas : I can rend it Overt.; post wht n I go back. I went
to the Waterloo Hotel, Jemiyu.stri 4, Off the 28th Novem-
ber, 1•70. I went with young Mr. Greenwood. I had
had sine conversation a Mb Mr. Greenwood about the plain-
tiff 1.4.. re I now talked with the plaintiff. Ile epoke
tome of things I had forgotten. I lii not at first recognise
the plaintiff, but I lid alter I had had some conversation with
and hail got him to tarn his lave to the light. Ile did
not know that I was coming, so larva I know. Ile told me
the name of the person had married my sister, I
have not the slightest doubt that the plaintiff is Mr. Tick-
borne

Cnissierambied: My brother Is bandmaster in the 7th.
Ills name is Andrew. Ile had been in the f;th Draz.oln
Guards. and knew of course very well whom my sister had
married. I have heard by report that my brother hail sevn
the plaintiff as early as lsist.

Mr. id Ward objected that this that answer wag not evidence,
and it was atittek out.

Witness : I asked Mr. Greenwood to take me to see the
plaintiff. This was on the morning of that day, and I amt.
Ile was not in when we first went and we called again in
shout an hour. Mr. Spotforth and Mr. Tiehborne were then
there. I remained there nearly two Mann. In about three
quarters of an four I made up my mind. It was daylight
hut it was a hazy tiny like yesterday. I did not ask him about
the rreneh horn. As BOola as he knew who I was he Said any
fatherhad taught him the French Marn. Ile dhl net tell me
that in Octilher lun7, he had talked for a long while witla any
brother. Ile said he had seen Mau, and hail a conversation
with him.

Dr. David Leslie, M.D. : I had a are John, who entered the
oth Dragoon Guards in 1851. I was than living in Ireland. I
dined several thnts at the 1110E3 Id the Carbineers. My
My attention was on those OCCRIIII/118 directed tar Mr. Tich-
home. This was liecanse it wax said that he had many
eccentricities, anti Dicks nail been phiyed on him. I re-
marked him live, eix, or ten times. Mr. ihthillBoll brought
are hit,, court, awl from where I was I saw the plaintiff. I did
not remain long in e.airto The judgment I formed was that the
plaintiff was Sir R. Tiehhorne. I went into court ilimier the
impression that he was not. This happened en the day that
Colonel Norbury tints examined.

Mr. (liifard That was the Nth of May.
Witness : I have since had an interview with the plaintiff.
and have asketi him nuostions. I asked 111111 itt what tart of
the table he gen,ally cat :it mess. Ile told use that a tall
gentleman—taller than or., and I ant six feet three inches—
dined there lin one 0,38108 11h. I was there. This was
the fact, and It surpristA me very lunch. I have not the
slightest doubt that the plaintiff is Sir IL. Tichborne ; no
doubt whatever.
(yobs-examined : What was the name of the gentleman
who had the misfortnne to he taller than Yllll or me 1 (A
laugh. I don't know. I diol not recollect about the tall.
111811 until the plaintiff called my attention to it. The plain-
tiff did not state his name. I limit know whether he knew
It. My son is not Now In the regiment. Ile is living on his
property in Ireland. lie 11111 magistrate, 81111 halt been high
sheriff in his comity. Ile lives at Currick eminty
Nionaghan, and the letter tear handed is In his writing.
Thewssrro a meat trans( art' in the plaintiff. When a
limit gets beyond 26 litione he is wonderful. (A laugh,. We are
arvat fatness, however, every day. Men 11011 t increase in
lii MIA after maturity. I have never km nell is ease of grow-
ing after 21. That would he wonderful.

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Patrick Fany : I live at 3lill-1011, Leeds, and am a grocer
anti 'provision dealer. In 15:d I enlisted In the l'arbineers.
I Was ro,lllllall Mid Valet ti 11.4. r flay. letnt teller 'rich-
borne joining. I waited upon him at mess. In February.
biki, I went Lit the (yueen's to see the plaintiff.
Ile cattle in, and I knew Idni to Ike Roger Tiehbome 01 the
Carbilleers. I knew him by ins waving eyebrows and the
twitching of the eyes. Ile spoke better Et,iott than when
hit the :111.1V. Ti.llll .11i. 1,4,4 ratiwr he rel. Lilo', and there
w-ks the &rt. et in lii.• darn( , it. 11 to-
gether for tWt.ltl) nii,alo4 irktif :1,1 !oil,. I the regiment
to slits uilled Tien, 01 Fret.clok.an. ii LI we favnor
from him we cal ied him Air. Ii lit I it'. 'lime plaintiff is the
pow r Tichborne ci I knew in toe reginkint,

co.-examine:l : I recognised the plaintill at once. Ito
called me by thy name. I was it surprised at that. I had
:Ca for. 'llk,ro were to,, g:itt !coati bcddes the plain-
tiff at the Queen s Hotel. tone of them wrote down my
staterneht. I don't know w hether Ila 'gent was oLe. Neither
of them was a soldier. Mather, who had been in Um real-
immt, came in whilst I was there. I had hot lam, shown
ail of the ple,tographs. I had not heard that he had got
so stout. I was rather suprised at his stoutness.
Von say in your affidavit that lie "ahswere.l accurately
the questions I put to him, especially the details as to the
accident which betel one of his servants?" That was the
servant Clark who was killed I—Yes.

It did not strike you that M 'Cann cUnIl have told him
about it?—No. I thought that I was the first person that
spoke to him about it. I don't recognise the photograph
handed to toe as the likeness of Roger. I don't see the
twitching of the eye tine e. (Laughter.) I menu judged( such
thing. . . _

'7ri have had your own taken, I dare say ?—No, never (A
laugh).
Mr. Robert If ease Cohen : live at Dulwich, and am band-
master to the London Irish Volunteers. I was in the Car.
bincers, lint left before Tichborne joined. I. however, fre-
quently visited my sister at the barrack. afterwards. She
had married Serjeant-Major Gorton. I bad frequent oppor-
tunities of seeing Cornet tichirorne. Out if curiosity I went
to see the plaintiff. Ile liii not know that I was coming. I
was with him three or four minutes. 1 came to the con-
clusion that he was Cornet Ticiaborne. I have since had a
conversation with the plaintiff, and remain of the same
opinion. 1 wrote to Mr. tiitfard, and that led to my being
here.

Cross examined :I mentioned to Mr. Craenig Winchester
that I 'mil been to Gravesend. It WM four years last Easter.
I never spoke to Comet Tichborne in ijol,lin. lie (ILI not
know me at all. I saw Roger Tichborne 30 or 40 times in
Ireland. I went on the steamer at Dublin to see the regi-
ment off. In ISOB I had forgotten him altogether. I don't
recognise the photograph handed to me at all. I have seen
pictures like it in the shop windows. I reeramhse thls

photograph of the Maintilf :is the Roger 'field...rt,.
of the regi tttt It has awre curiosity Lb. I. oh me to
dismayed. The last illiot,,granli I recognise Ii hi likeness MI
the claimant now. I aid not 1111,11 1,, say that I recognise
llnt slukooro, to Roger 1,, I,!. i 11,,,10t00n t. There
I, no likeners ti Itover Whboro.• of Ihe re,,iiiient. I sent
to I/rarest:nil heillintit I hen .1 that the, has ail impmtor
1.50110 ove,r. INA know bor, lichhoene in the regiment
.1 iihe brother Alfec,l In the \ conoinry, .111.1 I fit
S.llll thin halk arr.,. the hall ..f 110,510.1.1 I hear.l
OS oh, tamed rouroi. air,) sair the Mainlin. II,•
too or three yards .1 the Maim, trait he h., . :Mont going
up. Ile 1134 iltelltind ill nmrli, .le lit. In;io inure-
I hail 111101,. Tichborne In snob,
eluthes. Ilefore be got to the shorn, I was quite satisfied
that he was thu man that I exlnecte,l to set I saw HO re
of him that I lay otter he went upstairs. lie was standing
opposite to lee when I turned round. Ile has walbing from
tile rear it the hotel. I iv. at tlie hall door.

What was It you recognised him by ? By the twiekling
of the tie eel eyebrow Ile saw me look at him, and he
Shed a gh,r, me. I paired his peculiar walk ; a limp.
Ile throw his knee out In a particular way. This is all I re-
cognised him hy. Ile could wit recogai, me if hi did nut
in, fuji ~„t till ai.yhody what 1 W:l4 down at
Gravesind for. I knew by the papers that lie was at the
clarenden. I wat in and g''it of the honw and on the
tat. 011 the watch at the Clarendon before I saw the plain-
Mt. I iv, r told anylio4 what I hail seen at Gravesend
milli three years after, 0h,,, I told Mr. Ghana. I knew
Owe. was litigation on, but I did ovit think that my
vviiklice Id impoi bolt. I wailiorti in the Carl ' .rs
an knew vVvr)body lb. Co. 111 l not tell what I haul heett
to any old Clomralles. Sly occupation inn ISUIi was the same
RR It 1., IIOW,

To the Lord Chief Justice : No one had sug4l,:ted that I
idnadd go to Gravesend.

Why .161 you ilot conimunlente with the faielly ?—i knew
that there were ahem in the regiment who knew him he lter
then I did.

Ti Mr. Mae khis I dill hat communicate my evidenee
until Mr. nowtll asked in aimther case if I knew iinything
allpnit the l'arl•ineers, and when I wrote to Mr Gifford.
When I saw the plaintiff I asked if he recollected my sister
or her husband. Ile said, "NI," lie added that he had mis-
understood me: he thought I had /Mid G,,rdou instead of
Gorton. Ile did not then say whether he knew them. I
asked him, 'ii. you know Mrs. Gorton, of the l'arbineers,
wife f Sergeant.Maj,,r Aon," and he sr," 1 said,
•• of course, you don't know me." Ile said, ; you had
lett th, regiment before I Joined, hot I heard of you from
old Nlaccalini. lie spoke to his horn playing. I did not
think that remark:o4o Ile spoke about some false teeth I
had, and asked if they did not interfere with my playing.
• Jur false teeth were 11,, secret t—No ; Mace:dila knew dl
alma them.

Re.examtned : It was Mr. James %men who spoke to me,
not the Mr Charles Bowen, the counsel in this case.
Mr. Jainen Hate Linder: I enlisted in the Carbincers in
Na,: and was farrier of the I; troop. I revollea Mr. Tieu.
borne when lieutenant hi the troop. Ais Olt six 1110111.11,1 ago
I went to we the plaintiff at Mr spofforth'a ropiest. There
were hour or five gentlemen in the room. I h,oked at all of
them. It was about March last. Not a word was spoken
when. I went in, and I pointed at the plaintiff after a few
minutes. I knew him directly. I asked him Wit:BUMS about
llorbes, and lie answered me correctly. I have no doubt he
is Roger Twhborne.
Cross-examined : Six months ago was the first time! was
applied to. I Was then living at Deuluun, hi Essex. I re-
ceived • letter fron Mr. Spolforth to come up. I had read
the nowspapos al salt this Mil'. I hail tot seen a photograph
of the plaintiff. I had had no conversation about the matter
with any (nine. I remained outside the room live or ten
minutes before I was called in.

Did tog the twentysix stunt. ...mewing stagger you?- Ile
was much stouter than when I knew him. His lace Was
much the saline; it might be a little fleshier, I knew the
features at Imre. Ilis is fatter than in 18:A.I. I loft the
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regiment hi July, 18,8.
Mr. James Marks I have been sergeant.major in the 4th
Magoon (Mantic In 1 Fl I was in the Carbineers. I recol-
lect Mr. Tichborne Joining. Ile was ill the F troop, and so
was I. I saw him daily during the stable hour and at even-
ingtrill. Ile won very particular in making inquiries as to
the 11411se11 awl their appointments, and of the names of the
men. I left the regiment on the 14t1. of January, I
saw Nit.. Tichborne again at Alresforti at the rail say station
In 1567. I recognised him by his walk, features, and the
general espressnill of his VI oultenance. I have no &allot he
is the same 'man I knew in the Carbineers. I asked him
several questions about the regiment and he answered me
very satisfactorily.
Cross-examined I was invited by Rergeant Cairnt to go to
Alresford to see the plaintiff. I went trail Alderthot with
Cairns. Cairns told we the plaintiff hail got much stouter,
and that he knew that he was the mall. This, however, did
not influence lay opinion. I did not talk with the plaintiff in
the station, but in walking from the station to the hotel. I
re,ognised him by his forehead and eyes. lie hail twitching
of the eyes.

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Ile was always twitching when he spoke to you
vs You wonld not be in his company a !ohmic with.
..01 seeing lam to ith. Ile twitehmt when he winked his
eyta iiere heavy and sunk in. There was tim expr,o.ion of
his countenance.

What do you mean by the exKeselon if his countenance ?
—lf you look at a Ulan yoll can ahnuct tell what lie is liallilizig
about.

Can you tell what I am thinking about h— Yes, I can.
,Laughter).
Mr. Hawkins: My friend says he will lot yen sixpence you
comet. (Linni laughter). Ile adds, however, that mine is a
simple conithimi 0 which eau be easily semi through. (Re-
Malin Livid er).
Witness I Mired the plaintiff the names of the officers of
the troop. 3,1 any people would know this. I Cit 1111. Gip
much for his voice. I knew he talked broken English in the
regiment. I should think Iti,ger was stupid in the regiment.
Ind you notice anything tikir stapidity in him h—There was
not the sharpness you would enlyet in an intirer. He was
citinisydooking. I don't ree,gnise in the photograph handed
to me a likeness itt 'toner Tieliborne.
Nlartirt Burke, a commissionaire, still: In tell I enlisted
in the l'arbilleors, mid Wad 111 the I: 1101111, and
ill it till 1 hlt the regiment in 10.2. I remember 'rich-
twine jl,ttlilto. 1 1111,1 opl,ttllllity of speaking to
111111 w hilst *e were at ealtir. I am a Catholic, :int I
to be tie:relied by lino to chapel. 1 81111 plailithf lit
Bolton in Janintry or February, I Was thee keeper
to a hr., foundry there. I ree,,sinbeil hint. It was inore
aski,g him questions as to what happened ill the trim!,
i did. not 11 ke him for a woo ti id an hoar. I
asked 111111 at 1,1111 111,, I.iim who k •,0100,1 for
leaving a phoic of a. r.ltij. tel g,ttiiu. ormik. Ile Stall
1,, lie recoil tt.,h the 10011001 010. 01 then, Lai 1,111, I.llt
e.. 11 1.1 N.A. reeol:eLi the other, sp. ncer. I :L-1, 1 bite w Milker
anything le,il alipeion via Loki, on 00111011 y in refLrenee
to gob, ti. chitpiil at Calm.. lie nieriti-iied n
into t the ! .• iiii• r
hi • llt h lO 1, II hi ra,alg'Ll. 1,110 Ca!
ea!!). 111:1:1 ic LA got ii.to t Abb. It not the idaho.i.l Ilist
me•di,mi .1 thi fti, tof the 1,1..1 I,• Ha' 00100 ;ma itt
1:••1.01-00. I: Ida .it 1111 1010 f,,neil •ip :it Itt, t 1
sane i•.. t‘. ~i; I wia. 41 •.. tle•
st. rin. dre, Flom ail I intA e till in hint I Lase
110 doubt he is tile 'Field., lie I knew in tile reginunt.
t'ltuol-,Sttnhilt,. it I 11l 1,1. 11:.0w the Plaintiff coi,dng
to 8010., Ali u !men to im• al . lit 01.1111 the
plaiatiff. Ile eame to Bolton for the purpose id seeing nie
Ile Ilia ant toll me whether 31,silly hail recollected about
the 11thr 111111 e,,11 pi 111( f DIM the thane' and gett ilia drunk. I
reei,gliked the plaintiff by his wet*. Ile Silo i,tllcr abeip.
isig. and Ile hail turned in the ri.ilit knee. Ile stimps a little
morello. than lie Ilia ill Um regiment. Ilia voice Ls a little
firtitur than it was in tne reginp.nt. Ile ilia, not speak with
such a French accent now. There is very little accent now,
heard the plaintiff read out of a book for me to hear. I
iltilik there was re of the accent in the speaking than in
the reading ; Mit there was very little difference. I made
an affidavit, and was very particular in ding so.
In the affidavit yon say, °I also recognise his voice. which
to firmer than it used to be. His speech also was broken in
accent. but en hearing Min read I fond his pronunciatien
I%_Wl the same as I knew lam in tile I 'arldneers "—What I
meant was that I knew him by his voice to be the sante Man
I had known in the regiment. Ile spoke different, but there
was something in the voice I recognised.
How came he to read to pis ?—1 am not certain whether
lie or I proposed reading, to hear his voice. I had never
heard Idol read in the reglinebt.
Then would you ask him to read h— I believe I said I
should like to hear him read.
You also say Iti your affidavit that you hail hail the
fit-inners, appearance, voice, and walk impr..issial upon
your mind ever aince 1851. Is that true? - At-s. I had not
thought about him. I reconiseil hits by his forehead, his
eyebrows. and the twitching of his eyes. I went, however,
snore by the iffie-stions I asked him I was with him three
or hair hours the first day, and two hours the next. Ile
talked about things that laid happonal in the regiment. At
first 111111 not believe that the plaintiff warn the right man.
Ile recollected tilling a troop horse if mine without saddle.
It was one of the roughest homes in the regiment. lie did
not recollect its name.
Mi. Timothy Marks I ant sergeant of the Sherwood
Reimers, awl was formerly in the earbineers. I recollect
Mr. Tichborne in the Carbineers in ISM and 18112.
Was he particular almnt his &ales? -Now and then he
used to look up a saddle or two. 1 auhw 10111 ill 1.0101011
about twelve ..... tlis ago and reci,gnisell hini front his gait.
I saw him at the Waterloo Hotel, dertnyipatniet. I have 110
doubt that lie is Itoger (*buries Tichberne who wee in the
Carl oincers.
('rostpexamincil: I have never deviated for a moment from
my first opinion. 1 was net astounded at his big, burly
figure. I thought that in Isrd lie hail a skin that would
Ii- ld the moonlit of flesh. Laughter).
Mr. Henry Mills Powell I I live at Basingstoke. lam
mimic seller. 1 town to, sixteen years ago 1 hived at
Alresforil and taught music. I taught yimug Mr. 'rich-
bora° the French horn. Ile hail eight or ten lessons.
lie could play somewhat. When standing up to his
Iles,kin his right lawe bent In and his left leg supported
I.ls weight. I saw the plaintiff two years ago last August
at the Swum Alresford, Ile eame aerosa the yard, and
said, " hallo, Powell, is that you." l'he meeting was ant-
....•lltal I said, " Yon have the advantage of me." He
said, " Don't yen know me." I said, No, Ido not."
Having heard that Sir lb iger was very stout, and seeing
something in his expression amt the bending in the leg, I
said, "Is It sir It Tichborne 1" Ile aat,l, " I am." Ile said
a hone hail kicked him in Australia. I naturally concluded
friini the cenversation, which I dhl net think lie could Ile nut
np to, that he Was the man, and from tile way In which lie .
stood and his features I believed it was Roger Tichborne, I
have seen and talked with him once or twice since, and I he..
here hien to be Roger Tiehborne.
Cross-examined 1 I hail heard Ulla claim talked of You
most if you are anywhere lit Hampshire. (A laugh). I Wall
WllB well known In Arlesford, and might have beim pdrited
oin to the plaintiff. Roger Tichborne played a few
French melodies very deeently. I lout know that laye,l
any iithee instrument. I hail discussed this matter, but had
formed 110 01.1111011 before I saw the plaintiff. The plaintiff
may be an inch or half an inch taller than I remember him.
The court adjourned at a few minutes past four.

The trial was agaio oil Wish...lay, tool the 11,4
ct01cd..,., Ilr. !Ivory Nolile, of
Ticiikor... Mile raid : licsionel was (anti Irjlrff at
borer from 1847. I ..t! ri 11. 11, !!.i!s, Is..
there till the death • !;. • - • .1!, !:•
slid I tie'. is mewls, .
that she Icel seen tie- 1 • .. .• quite. or;,, C,! 1..
Who sit

II H4.,,' esetpt tint -
gt/ail,•r. I hAve Uetr cotes Mined the slightest doubt of I.
itlem Ay.
Von tvonl.l litve picket him out among a thons,nol ',—
Among. a grunt riming.

It 13 a matter of certainty with you ?—lt is.
Mr. Henry Noble, husband of the last v, Wins and farm-
bailiff sit Tichlairne, said : I knew young Tlehtiorne well.
The plaintiff is the name Itii;;er Tiehhorne I formerly knew.
I have no Isulst about him ; any one who had known him
Ixfore would have kHown hint.

tnwsiexamined : When I first saw the plaintiff he W 39 a
field away. I said to the sheplield, ••1 hat gentleman walks
like Sir James." Sir James hail a limp like Roger.
In answer to farther questions the witness sail Roger al-
ways hail a long head.

Do you mean long inside or long out ?—tong out. (A
laugn I had heard that Lady Tichborne had recognised the
thought that was a strong thing.
In answer to the Lord Chief Justice, the witness repeated
hi: was aware that Roger Tiehhorne's mother hail recognised
the plaintiff as her son before he recognised him himself.
Penile remarked that if his mother was satisfied he must be
the right man.

The Rev. Thomas Meyrick sail lam a Catholic priest In
Bristol. lam a graduate of Oxford, and in MIS took first
class In classics. In December, Istl, I became travelling tutor
to Mr. Danby Seymour. In that year we were In Paris, and
hiltOd Mr. and Mrs. Henry Tlchbome. To the hest of my belief
on one occasion there Roger came out of a back room with his
tutor. He was dressed in a frock, whether blue and white I
(retina say. It was a gaudy dress. The meaning of a child
in the Catholic Church being livened in blue anti n late is
that he Is devoted to Slur Lady for a time. I went to Stony.
burnt in December, 1547. I was there to study divinity. I
took an interest In Roger, and conversed with him. I asked
lonic to do so in order to fathom what sort of a icy he was.
My impression of EMI was painful. I was sorry that the heir
of a great Catholic family should have been so carelessly
educated. lyimprenaionwna not otherwise painful. I saw
him from the beginning of 1848 till shortly before his leaving
Stonyhurst in the same year. lam sure he could not have
construed a word of Greek or a line of Latin offhand.

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Atli he la 400 tianil4e.l atm Deo Senaper r-- I should
think certainly 1101. I have no Interest ha this case. I read
the eroes-exanalnathat ..1 the plaintiff Mena :+tonylturst In
the newspapers.
Oh helm; further quehtionetl the witness said there ill.
Hurst tiro,,, half a mile from shalyhtart.
is the niver lltlalcr and a idaee called the 4 adder, for the
fathals' I...tmat. A Icy iv mid not know what panrwil there.
A ran it %Mild t•Stelet tO heteeth a week and a lamina
111 ichleorhe's time the 040 ha lohipletea. It
Ma, le-s,r e:llha the •' " or the qua.lnaugle. It WOO
the to,‘,.a court or ehtnthee

Woobl a boy like the plaintiff know ti hat Onsets there
were there?

The Lard Chief Justice : Ile gave us an account of it
about the "philosopexs" and so on.
!Ur. 104,11 CLOS " ill the technical sense: What
were the means and opportnidties of knowing the Stony-
Must coarse possess.,l by persons
poaam •—.l.:t.tie or none unlese he Lot pused through the
as a boy, whioh he had not. It is a fact that the
classes hal different 111:10th,. The year that I as there I
think Itoger was away the Christmas and Easter, bid I think
that he ft before the long vacation came.

Did R.,ger live separately or with others ?—He lived with
ethers at the seminary ; but I have an imperfect knowledge
of his living for a at the cottage by the mill. I heard
that this was 111 c,.ii,querice of kis !wing ill. I never saw
his Dore. There vv., there persoits stained igl•y,
IltherbbT. Illecami, and Seed. I cannot rviu,•tober wlwttor
Everard Sr len was there. I think that he was. I rennin
her two Ntr. herk,ey'a there. It is a fist that tin river rims
best ie the cottage property, and so into the Ribble. I be-
lieve the hedges were cut down a considerable time before 1
went there. It had been done. I have had an interview
with the plaintiff since I read the report in the newspapers.
I tested I by questions.

What is your judgment alai belief as to him? I haVe no
doubt he in Roger In:10mm,
Cross examined : lum confident of this. I have seen the
plaintilf twice. The first time 011 Monday last at the (Rice
of blaster, Rose, and Norton, suit last night at the M :iterloo
Hotel.
Witness further said that it was llot itllfleult to oddsin ill
format about stonyhurst. Ile added that Roger ass boy
seemed to have the thoughts and feelings if a gatithanen,
but it was difficult to draw him out ; ho was so shy.
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To the Lord l'hict Justice There are seven schools at
Stonyhurst. If a boy were in One Ire would know there was
another to which he could i.e transfernst. "Philosophers
were quite separate from the others.
Ti. the Attorney-4 leneral Witness could have found out
almut the rest of the place if be had inquired, but he was in
IP/ way connected with it. lie VOW separate front tile loops
entirely perhaps Luther than from here to Westminster
Abbey. It would be two minutes' wall: front one place to
another. The boys suit the " philosophers •' dhl Dot Ordi-
narily speak to me another. They lived separate lives.
The •• philosophers " were notch loons free than the boys.
Roth classes had their games, but witness never saw them
mingle with ldle another. They played "hockey.' I call
It hockey (said the witness) as a Hampshire num. I have
no doubt a Stonyburat buy would call it" bandy."
Now what, in candour, do you think ahoy from lianipshire
who hail been three parts of his time abroad would call it?-
1 dare say he would call it "bandy." It was known as
" bandy " at Stun) burst

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I),, you think a stonyhurst boy would have called a part
of the building " handy " unions he was putalvd. Mr-
SpottortlL I think, gave use a photograph f the plaintiff. I
Cannot .iity who gave it me. I think it Wait at Mr. Sm.llorth's
office.

Is the plaint chanced ls- -Not much not BO much
as I expected by any mean,

What did you expect ?—1 heard he was enormously large,
and I did not see that in the face. The photograph handed
me gives me a general reminder of the icy. I should nut say
it was a guod likeness. It M something like what I drew
when I tried to remember him. I Hung it lii the lire. I have
no sketch now by me. Roger had a face like his mother's—a
laufmishing kind of face.
Is the character stillyreserved in the plaintiff Raw the
look when Iliad nip first interview with him. At times the
plaintiff's face is a languishing kind of face, like his
mother's. In this photograph there is that pained expres-
sion he used to have.

has the claimant a pained expression °—Perhaps he is
more happy now than he was. The plaintiff has at UMts
pained expression. lie h. now. Them are many points of
likeness between the photograph now hamlet! anti Roger.
The witness proceeded to say that he was last at Stony-
burst shout live years since, he believed. lie described the
gardens.

ran you recollect anything you tried Roger 4,11, except fish-
ing ?—Probably must about Paris. I wanted to get an idea
of His character. 10 Paris I saw the boy, his father and
lwither, and the tutor, Ile appeared to be one of the Chris-
tian brothers. He was a Frenchman.

Re-examined : I did not myself tost his knowledge of t :reek
and Latin.

Thu Lord Chid Justice : Von did not test him yourself :
No.

Mr. Mojeaut Ballantine DWI you have him tested r—No.
I knew he could nd know I.:reek and Latin.
Tlie Lord lief Justice In. you know anything more than
what you have heard from .I.liem upon this subject?—! do
hot. I had full means of judging whether he was a studious
Icy. Beaus nut at all studious. I was Miter acquainted
with his hither than his mother. I saw her in Rome.
have outate au,l inimde recollection. Ido not re-
colb.ct that Itahrent took a:.) part it the tUst interview I
had with the plaintiff Ifl the second cccasion I had conver-
sation with him about Aon3hunt. The book descrihing
Stonylturst was published in ibid.
Ale. Serhant Ballantine That Is the means by which we
art, Sllloi..Soa to have obtained ..or illfollll3Uoll.

The Attonley-General That Is one of the means there
RTC Itially others.
To the dory I don't know whether Greek or Latin were
taught hi Rogers Class. Ile was in no Class, awl he was ill
no school. r knew Iris pU,ill.sll ill the estatilislonent. i
know he learned English for a year. I don't know ahether
he learned Latin and Greeii. lie learned Englirli for ene
year, awl if he learned any Latin the seeond year it must be
like a parrot, lie could mit learn the grammar.

you know whether he had any ne.inaintance with Greek
or Latin IR.fore Inc emit to Stoneyhttrst!—lle knew lething
it loh Alia know this from something I have read or
lie.trd proved. I don't nman proved in Court. I mean the
of oth, people.

The Lord Chid' ha-otic::: I •eu that the lug& says that all
11V, the world Stoilyhurst is know D.
. : St..11)!IIII St is a Jesuit College; an edueJtional
tstabliNliment tor Voinsa ditolies geuerady.

Mr. Ito, :I iiVe near AU...dont My late hus-
ie,.l us: 1.11111 to 'it 11. Tichin rue. I knew the nowhers
o: the or. .ty zeal I ichhorne fanilly re, h ctly Weil I kmw
II Ills ii. • ill the Lth July, 11, the plaiotitt
calied not khow he V. US I,Mllllg. Ile I,IPIC to
ask f.,r a 511-ts6 of water; it whs a toy hot day. I Minn,
Oraciy knew him. I 5,11, •.lhaal gracious, if lum not Very
notch mistaken, it's R. Th•lihorne." lie hail sail nothing
to the Ina asking tor the ghos it natty. I I.ati a talk with
hinz alter that. I Lace no doubt now that he is sir it. 'rich-
borne. I ors- Mr. how her told him what I
thonght. lie sail I was mistaken. I said I was not, for I
knew it was Sir K. Tichliorne as well as I knew hits. Mr.
hawker said I was very notch mistaken it was no such
thing.

Urosaexamined I have hoard a great many people besides
31r. flowker say so.
The Lord Chief Justice said it was clear that many people
were of one opinhn unit many of another • bat if they Were
all to be called, there was as pleasant prospect 11! fore them.
He understood that this class of witnesses would be disposed
of in the course of yesterday and to-day.
31r. Gilfard feared that this could not be done.

The Attorney-General said tint Mr. Serjtant Ballantine had
some time ago inthnated to him that he could not compress
this bead of evidence within the two days.
Witness continued My husband was servant in the family
36 years. I have seen Roger Tidelsmne many times, at
Tiedelsom° and at my own house. lie did not come into my
cottage—never alone. (A laugh.) Ile might, altogether, have
called upon me three times. I had Willie pieces of old
china, which had lwen In the cottage many years. I recollect
Mr. Rouse calling on nee. Ile came fishing. (Laughter.)
I cannot say whether lee came into thc parlour where the
china was. Ito told me Roger bad come home : but
not that his mother had seen him. I never Leapt Pi my
knowledge that he 1.1 been to Alresford several -s before
he called gni me. I hrtei no notion that he was in
Roger, before he went away, was a very thin man. Si, neatly
people call for water at my door that I was not surprised
at the plaintiff calling. I knew him by the twitching
of his eye and the likeness to his mother. The Tipper part
gif the face was like his nmther, and the loner was the
Tiehb brew face. The twitching struck me in a moment. When
I said I was speaking tel Sir Roger Tichborne, he said, " You
are." I said," You are no stout I ahould not have known you
if I had seen you met of ibmrs." Ile said, " That is
not the case with you ; you are not no much altered but
what I should have known you anywhere.- I should not
have known him out of doors because eel his stoutness. If I
bad looked he his face I should have known him. I knew his
voice. lie spoke better English than before. Ile asked me
If I had got the picture still. It was a large oil.painting of
the Reformers. Ile said it was a large picture with many faces
on it. It hangs in sty purloin now. I don't know that Mr.
Rouse had seen the picture. Mr. &agent had seen it ; but I
don't know if he had noticed it. It was a very particular
pi chi re.

Re examined When the plaintiff spoke of the picture
I said, Vitt yongo in and see it?' I have now not the
least doubt that the plaintiff Is Sir R Ticliberne. I remem-
ber Sir Roger coming of age. I hail not the pleasure of
dancing with him.
Mr. Jam,. llowleston was examined next lie had im
doPoint hut that the plaintiff is the S:Ulle person as IL. C.
Tichborne.

Mr. Serjeantllantine. on the reassembling of the court
after the adjournment, said that he regretted th at the class
if witnesses now under eross-examination could not possibly
be eoneluled to they; and, indeed, he could not see when it
would lie dosed, lie could not take on himself the relip
bility of leaving uncalled respectable witnesses as to
identity.
The Lord Chief Justice : Then you can give no idea when
your ease will end.
Mr. Serjeant Ballantine Not the least. If his friends on
the other side would say how many ts itnesses they would call,
he might be able to term an idea, but otherwise he could
no

The Lord Chief Justice asked whether under these circum-
stances they should sit on Friday f
'Fire Attorney-General said that unfortunately counsel had
made :irrangcnients for the day oat the supposition that the
CAW W 0111,1114.1 COllle WI on that day.
Mr. Serjeant Itallantine said that it was by no means
cert.tin that the magistrates mould not themselves want the
Sessions !louse on Friday.
'lire AttorneyA-knee:it thought it was hard that it should
In' put upon counsel to say whether the 1111,111ge11.1.11t 8114.1111
lw :1.16,4110 ill. not, because an impression gut abroad that
,•,insel II miii to lirollmg the case.
I i recalled, and identified tin, ire.
I Ut.l ..•• • 11, tI • t.,in Irish the plaintiff had seen at

, r I live at Alresford, and am n Mick-
; , I at I t. !,,..11. Within one-and a half titi:o4 a•f
. • lISe 11, I :10 last years. I liv, d tla:e
o o a haie r. I knew 31r 11. 'fielth.a,e, and
~. •icr members of the fandiy. I 11.1 btivii.-se
I:, • 1 iii at flit quo .1,,;) I alit rod eve inilll.
I ills i the period from laid to 10.".4. 1 here
wai a po• 1• walk. I saw the plaintill at the
sls.lll;tt 1I• , 1•, k•,.:1111(1., laws, an.l many tillies
In fleet lain :, now the plaintiff was in this country.
II,: WA" italci II ..:•I the stable, And I recogitisent Into by his
rollin4 walk. ..• i , • great likeness to Sir Hem y, his uncle. All
the •riohhota, ~..opt Sir Affront, whore knock-kneed or in
kneed. I saw the plaintiff again at the " Swan after he
had been to Paris to see his mother. I haul two hours con-
versation with hint. At this interview Mr. Holmes
cautioned me not to ask questions, but tat let the plaintiff
ask questions. I was not to put things into his month. I was
only to say yes and 111.. The plaintiff asked me where John
litre was, and I said I dirt not know. I remembered some
things his servant bail brought home from Anterica. Ito-
here that I mentioned sontething about a silver stirrup. The
plabitiff then asked into &salt the silver maim anal the
steel bit that came with it. Ile a.sked whether these had
come with the stirrup. lie drew a tot 111111 ink sketch lit the
bit aunt asked if it w. like. I said it was. He was at the
time writing tat Mr. Hopkins. Ile 1:12,11,1111t red about the
bird skins coming home. Ile asked if arty lanl SkiTIA came
home at the same time. I said " Yes." I told hint Mr. (to,
ford had had them stutter!. I have tint doubt the plaintiff is
Roger Tichborne.

Mr. Wm. Malley I keep the "Anchor " Inn. at Itukley,
and knew Mr. R. C. Tichimme. I used to see him frequently
when he was out with the hounds, and very often when he
WAS at Tiehborne. I saw him at his uncle Ileury's funeral.
I know Mill perfectly well. I have seen the elaiinaut. There
is not the slightest doubt about his being Mr. C. It. Tich.
borne.

Mr. Wm. Cooper was recalled, and, in answer to his lord-
ship, said that he had seen the stirrup, bit, and one spur In
the possession of the plaintiff. This was the next time he
came to Alrestord. Ile did not know the date.
3lr. Serjeant Itallantine : This was lon6 alter the plaintiff
had described them.

Witness : It was a month or three weeks after he described
them.

-Stir: William Bailey in his cram-examination Bahl that he

formerly lived with Mr Robert Tiehborne. I loft him alTo-m—i-
-18:18. I saw Mr. Roger often out with the huol
have seen bun get oif Isis horse and run, tool I have set n
%tr. Greenwood do the tune thing. This M. when tiny
wife out with the I is lie spoke to me, such as yamsed
the UlllO of day, or said '• You base a nice Ira, there.
-
The court adjourned soon after friar o'clock until Monday
neNt.

lThe NAM'S., were eta] ii i kkk awl ITION• 1'X:1111;11rd :d
great length 4tlell daY, I,ittlmr spar., fort,ohnle4 ns from
giving more than the filte!.oing