The Stourbridge Observer, Cradley Heath, Halesowen & District Chronicle.
Stourbridge, West Midlands, England, 1871-07-08 00:00:00

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THE TICHBORNE CASE.

The hearing of the case wad again resumed on Mon.
day morning, am! aruonget the distinguished vhitore
aectenztuodeted with orate upon the Bench was the
Emperor of Brazil.

Ilse Lord Chief Justice : A matter has occurred to which
I must call your attrntion on both sides. In the first place
I should It. to know what Is the Cate of the proceedings
In the Court of Chancery—whether there Is now an oppor-
tunity he that court of thing affidavits on either side, or both
sides,

Solicitor-General : I believe, ruy lora, the cull has
abated in Vt.:men y.
Mr. Sujeant Ballantine tio, not aba,ed.
Ins SAietior.Genaral I don't understnnd Chancery pre-
ceedlugs, but there co cuts going on.

M. Chapman Harb,r 68i that no proceedlogs lu Chancery
con d be taken by either side.

The Lord Chief Justice: I have received a letter to which
it Is Gec.sary to call the attention of counsel on both rider%
It Is not an ordinary letter conveying Information to toe,
hut It N a letter which purports to be written by a lady
materially letereated in this cue, and sent to me, I
promote, without the Imowledge of counsel on either aide—
sent to me In a private form to my private addrera. The
circumetancee under which the lady has written to me might,
perhaps, from the peculiar positl m in which Me 14 placed,
sooner her addrerming me upon the subject, Of courm if
the letter had been confined to her own Individual matters I
should simply have handed over the letter to the opposite
party sad to the commit on both sides, but unfortunately
the letter proteare. to be written on behalf of some of the
parties to the case. Now If they have taken advantage of
the circumstances of a lady being perhaps excused from
writing to ask her to tusks an application on their behalf,
nothing can be more reprehensible. The matter seems to be
deserving of some attention. I will hand the letter to you,
and ycti •411 be good enough so say whether the letter ha.
been written with the knowledge of coon.' on both side..
The letter was handed over to the couture].
Mr. nerjeent Hallantibe: I can quite understand who has
written It. It is written by a tidy of advanced age, and as
the as I eel concerned I can fully excuse her anxiety.
ill. L ,rdship : The question Is, whether the letter has been
deputed to be written by ',antes in the case. The etatement
that is made there throws mods light upon some other pro-
ceedlnlre which are now taking place.
Mr. ,serjeant Ballantine: Yet, my lord, and which ha,.
not the excuse of being done by an aged lady.
fits Lordship Tee letter la written by Lady Doughty, who
now is mitering great enaiety in reference to this cue. If
her Ineilree had been applied to, and the request made tO
me, her evidence might have been taken at once, or that of
any other aged or to tirm witness to the CAW.
The ,olicitor-Ueneral I alu,ttld like to read the letter, my
lord, or the public might poaaluly think that It ls worse than
it Is.
The letter was read, a. follows.—

23, K ensingtonequare, Kensington, July I, 1871.
" My Lord—Harlin; learned that you had ruentiomeal in
the C qui, of Common Clear that no one conneated with the
• Tichisorne and tushingion' case had expressed a wish for It
to be continuously heard, I take the liberty of imploring your
1 srdsblp to take Into consideration my advanced age, 76 next
Almost—and my falling health ea increased from the intense
softiies caused by the cruel charger brought against my now
only child. lam alto depnted by the guardians el the Infant
and every member of the Tichborne and Arundel' families to
Pray your lordship not to oppose the & If et. we aru mxking
for no delay in the hearing of this cause.-1 remain your lord-
ship'. obedient thrrant,
tignno "KATIRICRLnE
" trust that yonr lordship will not conaider this
communteation in any other light than the outpouring of •
mother's heart."
Ills Lordrido •I must ask still whether that letter has been
written by the sanction of counsel on either stile?
the Solieleor•aeneral So far as lam concerned, my lord,
it now reaches my ears for the first time.
Mr. Dablisson My lord, we have no knowledge of any in
tentiou having existed of writing the letter at all.
Ills Lordship The letter would pre-suppose that I II oence
la bring needle other eitiarters to continue the uninternittemt
hearing of the case.
Mr. Seri aant hallantine it is with extreme astonishment
that I bear it stated that the parties to this emit are endea-
vouring in other quarters to do iteny with Cho arrangement
which their own counsel were authorised to make.
Rio Lordship: I will be no party to breaking through the
arrangement which has been mutually agreed upon; but if
rite parties Sr 1: apply to me, with the consent of both alder, I
will thftavour In every possible way to meet their rinses. 1
Innst also have the concurrence of the jury
The cross-examination was commenced.

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The Solicitor General: I was aaidng you on Prifesy with
reference to certain Int.:relays you had had with Hr. anti
Mn. R stl cliffs and other tuaretsere of the (amily, and you
mentioned that Mita Deughty had given you a white crou or
Creel It.
Witness MINI Doughty gave me • erode' and a rosary.
She also gave me • diamond ring. I gave her severe things
which I don't remember. Mr. Padcliffe, Mrs. Naugle,
Corollas Naugle, and Mr. Townley came to me at Sir.
Holmes'. house at Croydon. I went Into the room and saw
gems ladles Mrs. Nen& was my aunt. She bad bee back
to tic, Winnow and bad two or three veils on, I should
think. , Laughter) Mr. Radcliffe said, "No.', sir, who
Is that lady in that chair?" I said, "How can I tell
When I can't see her Inc.?" I did not when she lifted
her veil say I citi not !now her. I thought that I was
going to see Lady Doughty and 'Nate Doughty, and
I was Tree angry, end went out of the room. I wee So out Or
temper that I did not look at soy of them. I did not when
Min :Jangles began to ta,k French say, "This le not loft of
the contract." The ',hole thtervlew lasted aeout a :revere
and a MIL Sties Nargles said I was not her cousin, awl I
said she would be sorry for what she laid Me Bedews- tete
me I was going to In., La.ly I.l..awiwr ar,sl atlas D,04 • 7.
was very angry with him for dercierug Me, and tile for.enate
for him that there warm ladles present.
The Soliciter.Oeneral That is safe, you know ?—WI. nese :
Oh yes, he tem safe in their presence. I called on Major
Phillips the riding a...ter. I knew him well, rather too welL
The Solicitor-General: What do port mean by that ?
Whoa. •He very nearly drilled the life out of me. I wee in-
timate with him and wee Co kindly terms with him I went
tome him site! etme back. He did not at the conclusion
of the late-view soy that he could not theta hands with me
es the Tirhhorne he formerly !mew. On the contrary, he
shook hardy with me in the teartiest manner, and I sup-
posed he recognized ma. I hare before seen this bock now
handed so me.
The Soliatter Pawed Which lilt P—Witness : The stand-
ing orderr,
The e‘rteltor.Heneral : What standing orderal—Wituess :
Of the regimeut West an officer has to do. I snppose
left it behind me ; bull cannot say. I cannot aay I etudied
IL No doubt I referred to it. I saw at Aireatord George
Page, Wsillem Green wesed• irroom. I did not remember
him, but hereto:unlaced me. I had no convenetlon with him.
I wee simply shown the man on the top of • break.
In June, they, at the Grosvenor Hotel I saw Mr. 0 seined,
Sir Beleitt, Si-. White, and Mr. leptons. Mr. Buleitt talked
shout my claim. I mentioned several tiller to Mr. ((egad.
I cannot say on what subject it was, but It was all
taken down In writing. "I don't know that Mr.
Bulaitt sold, ".0k him about Upton." Ile eid not ask ellen{
my been g upset him while driving. It wee not him I upset
tont Sir reanghter. I did not see them make note. ; but I
know May have notes. Mr. Geaford did not say it was a
m:stelte, and that it was Mr. Slaughter Who woe upset. Mr.
(Seaford Sucks to me to pr:vste aLerwarda.
Tire Solicitor-Oaneral : D:d he say, "If yon are U ger
Tichborne, you cannot have forgotten that before lervirg
England you left in my band. •certato sealed packet marked
private sad confideettal ;"' what wag it ?—Witneas: You
doe% mean to extract that from me agate.
The Solicitor-General: I only tub if that question way put?
—Witness : It wee put In the presence cf the other eentle.
men, and I mail, "Yoe know the contents of that scket,
and I decline to simmer In the presume of other persons."
The 8-Bettor General : Did he say it was that if you mar-
ried a certain person you bound yourself to Carty out c:rtain
war gem .nts ?—Witrass: He did not. He said he had the
document, and thou at the Law Institution he said he had
not got It. We talked about nothinc private while the
other gentlemen cue away, only about my Australian
life. He said to ma at the interview, .1 think it is
very foolish to lay the lawyers all this money," and I said,
"1 canuot help it ; I have been driven into it, and I mean
to goon with it," I told him where I had written the paper,
and sealed it np in his presence. He said that was right.
Mr Bulpilt asked whether anybody else could have told
that and Mr ()export said he thought not. I declined to
mention the content., and Mr. Bulpitt asked whether the
contants were such that they should not be mentioned, and ;
Mr. Goeford said he thought so. Mr. (Seaford never said he ;
load letters from Roger down to within three weeks of his
going on hoard the Bolt. Of counts I knew he had the
letters. Mr Goeford said at the Law Inatitution that he des-
troyed the letter..

The Solicitor-Geoeral I will read what took place there.
He said nothing of the kind 'le but down
" paper" there ; but he said he had dean( yed the letten
I understood him to Pay that the letters were destroyed
when the package was deg royal.
The Sgicitor-Gpmeral DA he ask you why you bed not
gone to see Lady Doughty —Wallets I don't think he did.
H. promised to procure an interview.
The Solicitor.Genersi Did you receive a letter from
Captain Polhill Turner appointing on interview /—Witness :
I think not
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The Solicitor-General: Here Ls your letter
" July 7, 1867.
" Dear Polhlll,—l have much pleasure In accepting your
kind invitation for Wednesday mxt. Thanks for your letter.
You will tel me much stouter than I was In the Carblneers."
Witness: That Is my letter.
I The Solloitor-Ge, eral You then telegraphed, "I am
obliged to go into Hampshire thie morning to see most Im.
portant witnesses who are going away. Excuse ma there-
fore mecting you today. I write by this post "i—Wltness:
I do not remember baying sent that.
The Solicitor-General: And you wrote on the same day—
Dear Intend doing myself the pleasure call-
ing on you to day, but my solicitor hods IS Is necessary that
I should start for lismohlre to see some friends who are
stunt taking a tourney, and ill. very important to me that
I should see them. I hope It will not he long before Tick
and yourself meet?

Witness I have no doubt now that I lent the telegram.
The Solicitor-General On the same I 3f c wrote to Lady
Tichhorne—"My dear mama—l saw 11 r Bohn. as noon as
I got hack from the station I told hitt I did not intend to
go to lunch with Polhill at Bedford Mali. I told tiro what
passed and be was unite aatished." And again, I told you
I was not going to Bedford, and lam not going." Can you
explain that I—Witness My mother wlehe‘i me not to go.
The Solicitor-General : On the coma day you wrote to
Lady Tiohborne, " lien en glad I did not go see that officer
to-day ;.. whom doe., that refer t,/—Wituess : I auppose to
Captain Polhill Turner. I was Mend, with him at Water-
ford. Ido not reoollect any particular sporting event with
him. I was examined before Mr. Itoupell. I never said that
I would not stand another such examination for the wont-
nor that 1 must have had a strong constitution to have
stood it. I di4 not any thet I would sooner be back in the
Bush than go through another examination.
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The Sollcltor-Ooneral Do you remember Lady TlAL,tre
Inquiring about some letten Mr. Gostord hadt--Wltuoss
Ye., he had my letters, and not only that, but letters from
my tether to her when he vu not good-tempered. I said
she was mad, and he showed thorn all over the market-Vara
at Airesford. They were lettort he had taken from her boxes.
She was enema to get my letters.
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The liolleltor-Gerersl: Ware they at that tie.° M yourown
pAsessloust Croydon 7—Witness: Certanly not.
The Soltelter-General lam speaking of letters written by
R ver to Gls mother before the loss of the 13.11 a, nod I ask
whet!.er they were Oat then In your own po sssss lon I—Wit
nem: Certainly not you yourself have got the lettere.
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The 4ollettor-Oeneral: You went down to Alreeford did
you carry a copy of the affidavit& with you?- Witness : I
eV nub/ think a copy of the affidavits never travelled with Me
for ball a mile. My attorney might have a copy.
The S Aleltor-fleneral Was It not • regular part of the
luggage when you travelled ?—W.titese No I entered into
negotiations for taking • place near Alresford, but I did not
go there becimee my mother did not wish It. The place was
lichen A:.bise it Is not much better th. • cottage.
The L rd Chief Jutlee, Jost before the wii urnment for
18,8:h IT .1.111,1 of the Solleitorfieneral whBthcr he could
form ny Idea of the probable length o she erou-examlnation.
The 8 Alcte,-General I ehould say not very much longer—
that., I should hope to finish by Thursday. lam giving 11112
outside time.

M. `torjeaut BALI/anti,. • I shall be partaotly ready soo re.
azaraloa at own wItIon; any delay.

The Lord Chief Juattoe: I mention Ms lareinse-theeihii
very sellout calendar at 'he Old Bailey. lam moat dealrona
not to eget my duties noon other !olive, though they are
quite wiling to take my work If Lamasery, and some day.
before 1 must take core that some arraugtment la made a)
that the I.4thlic baldness shad not antler, and I mutt ark you
to he kh.d enough to commurtcat.: to toe Jo anal :lent tone.
Snjoant Beliantlne : If my learned friend r,ul‘l Oolh
on Thurad%y, perhaps the jury would uot otleotto eacrtlice
portion of the Saturday, to that we could thd.h with the
wituma.

The Foreman f the Jury said that some of the rore had
emragemen.ts for Sdurday. , but they would be happy to waive
them II neceseery ; but he would ask tie amoral that it pow
slide they should adj men on the Friday, even tilt should be
necessary to Mt a little later.
The Lord elite J Mice said that they were all very much In-
debted to the j,iry, and their convenience should be consulted
The usual adjournment fr an hour then took place.
Upon the re-assembling of the court,
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The S dicltor-General asked that the court might be ad-
journed somewhat earlier than timid. In ceder that he might
be this to be in the House of Commons when 1 he question to
which notice had beau given in reference to thl, trial should
COM. On.
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The L md Chief J hatless said that under these circumstances
they had better rise at isalbout tbree o'clock Ile oiled
that the MTl.:lcor-General had It. authosity to say that to
his present state of exhaustion It would be Imposaiole for
him to continue sitting for any lengthened period. It was as
nisch as he was able to do to sit now.

Toe Solicltor.thottral theu read several letters, nod re-
fers:tog to which, he coutlnu<d
You krew I tchln *Wow all your life. It was not far from
Tlchborne you know ? —Witham Who said It woe
The Sollcltor•Cleueral: How came you to 81,11 the name
wrongly T—Witness : 1 coot toll I don't and so many
"dear 11141111111" in this letter which hod been handed to
Wltiisss] as yu state there Is.
The Solicitor-General: Well, I will tell you, there are
ghats.. .

tha nolle•tor o:tarsi : Did ton go to Lisa at Itclan Abbas
—Wanes.: No. •

The Solteltor-Gieneral . Shortly alter this did you... Mali r
Criendieur—Wituese: I sew him, hut I don't kdow .',out tl.e
tin.e. I sew him at Croydon. Ile was Is he Carbineeze
wilt me the •hdle time very near. Ile woo as 111LialatO
friend of mime.

The a Alt:nor-General WAshe a good Frenchman t—Wlt-
nese No, I owl to talk F,..gllsh with him
Toe Solicitor General : Was he fond of French ! :
Really I cannot toll you what he was fond of. (Leughtir.)
To tl:e best of my bel!ef he could not speak French. When
be came to see ma be did not addrees me In French.

Toe Solicitor-timer:el : DILI you in answer to a question of
his in French say "Out" and ilid he any you had made an
uncommonly bad shot, then I—Wituess I am sure you were
not instructed to say thst.
the Sciicitor.Oeoerai : Answer my question.--Witoess
Nothing of the kind passed.
The Solicitorlieneral : Did he recounts° you / Witness:
I cannot .ay. I dld not ask him the questi m. I believe Le
told my attorney. I don't know whit, his 4011.01. was. I
hallow he said he would not swear tine way or their ; tlv.t
he erasgoing to India, and did not want to be aubt.teoaed on
the trtal.
After referring to incidents which happened in the regl-
m.rit, the SAteitor meral coctinnod Did Captan Fraser
say &het If you could tell him a matter that happened In the
mess-room, and continued in his room, he would try and be.
nave you were Roger Tichborne, and aid you all he could
Witham : That "try to believe " was put on ; he sold nothing
about it. He asked me • particular thing that happentd i.
his room. I told him several that he acknotalid.:sl were
correct, but I could not recollect the particular thing.
The Solicitor-General : Next day you wrote to him, "Dear
friend, I have been trying ever einre to try and Ming to my
men ry about what we were speaking. Do lOU Mean the
time I gave you a silver snuff-box / ii so, I remember tins:
very weLl. I should like to beer front you whether that is
so V Had you even him • snuff.bos '—Witness : 'Yea.
The soilcitor.tieneral 0.1 abet particular occasion /
Witness; Oa no particular occasion. I think I asked him to
take • pinch of snuff, and he put it into Ws pocket (a laugh).
I shoull know the box again. I think It had icy Initials nu
It, but not the Tichaorne motto
The here' : What Is the Tichborne motto ?
Witness Pugna pro ',atria.
The Sollehor.tieuerai; What does that mean ? —Witness :
Fight for my Country, and DOW I am obliged to tight fir
myself ,a laugh) I did not show Vaptalu Fraser my pass.
book.

The S3licitor-Ganerid :D1 you produce ycur book to
show him that you had .out £1,700 to Melbourne to pro.
senate a paper there I—Witness : 1 never said any thing of the
sort.

—Tile Solicitor-General Did you say that Bolster bed
ff.red £l. Oi 0 to put you out of the way 7—Wttnews : 1 swear
that he offered Li,COO to my owu servant to put use tel
of the way. 1 have sworn it before the cortuer, and I wid
swear it again.
The Lord thief Justice: Did you hear anything of the kind
said I—Witoess: No.

The Solicitor-General ; Did he say it was ail stall ; mph
things could not be done in Eagland with Impunity I—Wit-
nese : Probably he did.
The Solicitor General: Who wu freed the £l,OOO /—Wit-
eels Wesel, Soon after that I had an interview with my
cousin 51.40 r liugle. Ile came to Croydon to see me. I hod
a lope
,co.nversotioe with I:4T.
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The Solicitor tieneral :hid yen tell him a great 441 about
the Brlla cud the rhipirreck/—Witneu : I don't thlut 1
said anything shout it.

The Sollcitor-fieneral : DM you lay you could cot 'give •
good aceonot because 300 were drunk all the time you were
on the B Bat—Witness No.l think not, but it was the fact.
I may have sail I hen two of the crew of the Bella, because
I believed at the time I had. _

The Soncltor•tie leral you heard of any of the crew
of the Ce!,a Once I lest asked you S—Witnese : No.
The SAlettot-Gsneyal: Hoes you found Arthur Orton ?
Witness: No

...th;liolluitnr•ganeral: Did be a•k you when you lad sew
Ma brother Osorge ?—Withess I think not. I did not say
Canterborr. I din not tell him that bah I heard of Sly James
Tichborne's death, and that dettrodued me to come to
England ? I cannot say whether I ta'ked with him about
Pada or Bath. I believe we spoke. I don't dick I lave
even l'Aptain Lichfield. I don't remember Any person of
that name. There ems no such captain in the Varbineers. I
might have met him in Ireland. I have a alight recollection
of the nand.

The : look at ynnr own letter, which
says, "Captain Lichtletd cstled/ : I don't thlak
the name is Lichfield. I 111ve the name Cu ray tongue, but I
csmot street it.
The Lord Chief Justice said that if soy aged witnesses
required to be essesi.,el an order won'd be msde with, at
citniculty, cud he shoull think, without any ofitotiou froin
the other side.

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Mr. lbevjeeet Balbtatt4e tald be eboted rake no ohjection
whatever.

nevu,a cit in., cw:

On Tuesday, the crosstorandnation of the claimant
Was continued- by the Solicitor General. Ge raid :
Gmeral Jones, who was in the Carbinte.rs during my Mine,
was good friends with me He hat not recognized um.
The Solicitor-General :Do you movallee, any acts of kind-
ness he did you in the regiment 7—Witness: I don't boo.
that he did more than any one e'er.. I know Mr. Rickerstaff.
He tree pie ant, bet not Do Whole U., I deli. ered ova,
to him his Met troop. I have not seen h:m, tint I have tried
Ito in to. I Moira tot was blind and theref,re it would be
Melees for no. to see Mtn.
The Solleinor.Gmeral : Wen he prosent when the bleedieg
took place at Canterbury 7-IY:tnrea : I never heard he wag,
and I was Insaneibie.
The S illeitor.General , Whom Uhl you dud when you cams
to yours-IV—Atli:peg Nobody bat ray Invent, McCann.
mail, My Impression.
The Snilenortieneral : Do yen remember Captain R utiet
weWltneas : there was law such captain In the Carblmers.
The Solicitor-general No ; but do you remember Ilia
being querterod in the same bsreseki with ysut—Witree.,
No. I think I knew a Mr. Rennie_ I have an Impression he
was in the artLlay, 1 think that It was In C.onmel, but I
can't rem.mber.
Tne Solicltor•General Was he staying with Major Foater
when you called t—Witne:s : I don't know. lnere was
another gentlemen prerent, bat I Old not look at him, and
seining paieed between us. I keen: Mr. Bolt In to Cer-
!Sneers. lie came in alter me, and was below we in rank.
He was a friend of Paine.
The Solicitor General: Do you recollect anything particular
patidng between toes two I—Witness A great many things
were done. Mr Rott was always playing practical jokes
The Solicitor-Gauen': They all did that, did they not ?
Wittiest : ; there was one gentleman who never did any-
Mies of the emit I don't recollect anything haw:ming
beiween me tad Mr. Hitt. Tame were many different
things. I Mould like to know what you to eon.
The Solicitor-General : I know you would. I mean zo.na
thing cut of the corn :on way, such cc never heopened
time, you and any otb.er officer 7—Witness: I don't re-
member.
The Solicitor• General ; Do you remember anything happen-
ing between yen and Captain P. Turner I—Wienees : No, I
don't rememoer nothing. Itott was at CA Whiny. tip
rooms at Canterbury wore on the right-hand side of the
barriers, next to Fraser',. The rooms did not loot out upon
the shoost Thee were twenty yards from the mesa room.
The S Molter-General Dlil you have r nything done to
your rocime I—Witness I think not. I believe I Invited
Mr. Boit to come and see me. he come, at all eveuls. I
' don's think that I fired a day for him to come, but he
did come. He and Mrjor Betty, of the Cartilneers called.
Mr. Holmes was there. I don t think I knew they were
coaling on that Cloy.
The Solicitor General Here la your letter asking them to
fix a day ; did they call on the appoleted day /
was under the impression that I did not know that they were
coming.
The Solicitor-General t How came Mr. Holmes to be
there I—Witness I think I was 11l in bed and my attorney
was with me when we heard a cab drive up.
The Solicitor-Genertl : Were you Informed that they were
theref—Witneas Yes; and I wen also Informed that NI j
Bitt had taken the name of Major Betty anii the I itisr that
of Major Rote My butler, who knew them well, told me so ;
and thereupon Mr. Holmes determined to em them himself.
T..ey acted to nuamtlemmly that my attorney wouhl not
let them me use. When Mr. Holrosa cat in they eat!,
"How Cr. yon, Str Roger 7" and after they had gone on lo
this way mine floe he told them he was my attorney.
This, and their taking one mother's name,, determined him
not to let them see me.

The Sollettor-lieneral: Did ha not say that you were 111,
and beg them to come another day I—Wltheet : 1 don't think
that he ever told me this, I don't emelt that et chat Vole thn
cue worn corning on before VlceChancellor Wood. I don't
think that they were told to see me on that occaalon,
don't know whether they did, In fact, attend on that ocz.,
don. I have not teen them since to recognize them. ewe,
I thlok,they..were at the Lew I nttltettoo,

The Su4ltcr.General : a practical joke
npon Maj.: il&tty 4—Witness; A good many. We were
alsysys playing jokes.
The Solicitor General: Give me an Instance of one—Wit-
ness I doo't remember any one In particular. I remember
fixing a ho :keg of water over his door, but I suppose he would
not remember that. Tills was at Cable

--Tl7;e tiallcltor-General : 1)1.1 It come down on hie head when
he came in 7—W,tnesa No, not on his head ;it wetted him.
The ,iolicitor.General eau you give me any other instarco
of • practical J.,ll,—Wltness : Yoe ; I found a small donkey
tied up on ray bed one night. 'Laughter ,
_

The Solicitor-General: That would he pretty well known
In the regiment; can you tell me anything else i—Wltneaa .
You would may the same of everything 11.11 you. TM. took
place at C ihir. I knew Mr. Mender. Ile came Into the
regiment rhort'y tier I) toed. Ile arse a friend of Int.. I
went about with him, but nowhere in particular lie was at
Cahlr. I knew the harrack.maater at Color. I cannot le.
collect hie name, though I have hoard It many times in the
hut two month.

The Solicitor (;aceal: anything happen to him ?
Witness He WAo married, H you call Mat anythlt.g happen-
ing. (Laughter). Tole was at Cahlr.
The Molicitor-General You were at the wedding I—WH-
IMS: You might have raked me the question.
The SolielloeGeneral Well, were you t—Wltress : No.
I have seen Captain Mandrils outside the court here. It was
one day, and I touched my hat to him He lives at Marl-
hirnench ; I went there to eao him, but did not. I got 40 VI
my face and hands were as black ea your dress, and I got
frightened and made the best of my way back to Alresford,
and was attended by Mr. Lipecombe. I know Mn. Menders
She was with him. This Is the only time that I h•ve seen
him since I have been back. I recollect the rt.tme of Glldron
Oh, I recollect hr. Caldron ! Ile was not in the Carblatere,
but in the 69)h.

The Solicitor-General : Then he never attended you?
—Witness: Yes, he did. I bays not been recognized by him.
I never thought of him. I know Shepherd and John Irwin
but you should, I think, have told me that you wire referring
to non-commissioned officers. Hatton, I think, I. the person
we need to call "to. Swallow." I don't remember Look
wood. I fancy" the Swallow's "tam, was Hatton. He tisw
an ordinary private. I don't remember Withers. I remember
Cunt ing's name but not the porton. lie mu a private. I
don't remember Italtirri or Jennings. The names are
familiar. I don't remember John Holmes In the regiment. I
remember John Carr, lie wee a private. I have not seen
him

—.The Solicitor. General: no you know Colonel Graham
—Witness: I think be was In the 461 h. It was an infantry
regimeni. and it was at Clonmel, I think. I did nut know
him very well. I did not know Captain Marriott. I don't
know Captain Ilibberd. The name rounds very familiar, but
I cannot recollect the person. I knew • Monahan In Cable,
but I don't know whether his name was John. Ile end te
dine at the rneu frequently. I think he lived somewhere near
the town. I think he was • little older than Inc Possibly
hatahe nine hunted with him. I oannoi 41 tor pertain.

liollattor-afflieral-i- Dfirion ever flat—irtth—litm /
Witness :..1.4‘2, I can't rememher.

The nolle,trw-Generall: bbi anything happen when you
WMI fishing with him t—Witueaa : I dou'i recollont.

The Solicitor Gamed: Can you ree,llect nothfug to;
dining nrith lOW —Witness : Oh, we have hone net tog. thee.
I hsve wake I wi.h lino of au evenhig to his house. I llout
relnvuther `lrs. Latta au nor Major LlttlTell. I guts, Klee
WRyan. She was Mr. Chat's% eaughter. I know them In
CAI, They were form sly of V.olehaw Castle IEO doubt
thvt Ii him I was tut:nate alth him. an/ I have WWI him
its borne back.

roe Solicitor.Gmeral : Did he reDogulas youi—Wisness : I
think not. 1 met him In a railway carriage. Colonel Lush-
!Won was with him: and he went and asked C 'long Green-
woxl to come Into our carriage. I don't know that I desired
It, but I bad no objection. tle came after a great de+l of
p lreusalon.

i");T'8-orl Cleo r-O en fir el Dld yen say You don't recegeize
me," and .11.1 he sey " Not in the neat; is it by your wish
{het I am here.l"—Wituess : I don't think that traundred,
hut Colonel Lualaington took notes. He did ask lilt was
by my wish that he waa there. I don't think that he Imme-
diately lett the eerrlege. All Impressloo Is that he Weal 00
with us to Guildford from Alton.
the Solicitor-Gtheral : Did Colonel Greenwood ask you to
tell something that bad happened between you and hint T—
Wltuess: Yea I believe he did.
The Solicltor.General : Did you say, " Doyen recoiled rny
Coming to Brookwood from Tichborne with a young efficereof
Its Carblneers who afterward* turned Meet
With an officer, but not ol the Csrbineers. I can't soy whether
he said "No."
The Selicitor-General : Did he ask you If you remembered
eelng to see the Roman rievemeet, and did you .y No" ?
Witness :No tested hint Ii he said "No." I don't remand.
ben *eking him about • men selling • horse to htm.
The &aligner-General: Did you ask him did you once nod
your coat in a hedge, and go on foot to Winchester, on your
way to Lotelou?—Witneu: I think till. I don't recollect
Colonel Lushlnitton &Alen about a cairn of flats being
placed over Colonel Greenwood's horse.
The Solichet-General ; Did you say coo remembered work.
log carrying the tints to the calm f—Witheas : I don't
but I did do so.
The 8311mitor-General : Did you say you remembered Colonel
Greenwood goteg with you to Stonyhurst —O'Dea.: I
aull.ol, ...Y. I donut Meek that I meld we slept at the DA.,
ef something, sod that the Colonel corrected. I said that
It was at "Tumble down Dlck'ae I had mentioned Tumble-
down Dick's months before. There was no ohangtue of
oentago. at Woking. Either your brief or my head la tonic.
down. A laugh.)
The Solicitor-Gemara!: Did Colonel Greenwood auk whether
you mid what you recollected or what you had learned since
you had been In Regime. /—Witness Ile did not ask that.
Ile did tot say that he had been told that when I wan
shed Brat which Colonel Greenwood went with me to Stow
hunt, I could not tell. I don't remember his asking the name
of Min Doughty's favourite mere, I laid it was a bey. Ile
did not my that I might have learned the colour of the horse
In England, but that if Reger had been ally. he would have
known the Dame.
The &Mellor-General ; Has any connection of the Tlch-
hornet erkuowledget you but the Dewrger and Mr Bub
dulph Witness : No. I wee no; acknowledged by the two
Colonel Greenwood.. the Naugle., the S nt-tours, the Tow..
lays, the illbeerts, Laity Doughty, Sir, act Mrs. Itaidellff,
1 .rmer. Mrs, niggles, the Arundel., Lely ltawilos, or !dr.
Bonnie.
The solicitor•Generel In your affidavit yen isald that you
firmly believed tnitt all the reetueers of the f %may who had
seen you and luiowu y. u beton you left E tined, Including
vely 'doughty, Rate Doughty, and Sirs Greenwoei, had
fully ideutitled you ss the eldest son of Sir James I). Tel,
borne, and that their dental of this was now vexatious I,
that true ?—Witness : I see nothing false about It. I believe
llt be true I believe that they know that I tan the person.
I firmly believe that every one of them kuow ace no well no
possible.
Tee Sollcltor-Geuttral : You mean that if they swear that
they did not reemodze you, they peelers themselves.? -
Witness : Yea ; beCanas they have proved that they hen
ackaowledged it, I bave elven their causes f
The Solicitor-General : What fut. have thee stated /
Witness : A lady Bleed of mice teld me teat Sir-s. Green.
mood reit that ill 'eat to to she would act. ow:e.lee try
son at once, She sold, °He certainly has got Roger'. handl
and feet ,•" Dna II VAs was so, Must one eu have ithowe me.
Would thet not be suffictont to show she recognised me?
The Soltyiter-Generel fell me who was the lady friend to
whom the atatemect was made 2—Witnees : To Mrs. Guildford
Onalow.
The witness wite 'Len questioned as to the number of hook,
which wen former y in the possession of Roger Tact:lent.,
ar.d most of them he sold he knew soothing about. As to •
volume of Coreelales theatrical works, he said he did not
know what it e heek was about, but It was by one ef the
Fathers . denehn re the "thsteire de Gude. de Beau'
moat" he did not know.
The Soil. iteloiimeeei Who was he W—Witnate: I do not
know. I lever saw 111E3.
Tee Solicitor-General Doyen know whether he is alive
or not ?—Witheas: Coreldering 110 not know him how cam I
tell you whether bets alive or not, Hew could I know a man
who wrote a hook • luo year, ago, perhaps. I don't say that
that bock wan writteu 100 years ago, say lord.
The Solicitor General Here Is "The Practice of Elam-
Mon," by 11.11 S'nwit. What Is the practice of elocution?
—Witneu : I can tell yin 111 non the book It Would be
the practice of .peaking.
The Soliciter.General Whet is the "Coma," by George
We I—Witness The " Coran " I don't know lam nue
Tim tielicher.Generel : What Is It abet/ in It E .glish,
Latin, Greek. or Hebrew j e learned Deems., you know),
Chives.. Fenian. or Arabic I—Witness : A few Inure naMea
weuld do. I tide klt is English, 1. 11 • Hat of some library
you have there?
The Solicitor General: Do you know any ether Inguage
hnt Enlist], • bit of French, and • bit of Spanish I—Wateess:
NO,
The Solicltor-General: Not Came or Persianl—Witnees:
Ne,
The Solicitor Getieral : What I have got Is east of you/
own library /—Witeess : Most of these were uot in My pos-
session.
Tle Sellcltor-General: "The Life of cr. unwell" Who was
NO—Witness : Ile was the Commonwealth.
The Sollcitor•General : The Commonwealth nun /—Wit.
nese : I did mat say Commonwealth man.
The Solicitor-General : What did you my I—Witness The
Commonwealth ; only you thought It would look better. (A
laugh )
The Solicitor-General: •' Life of John Bunyan.. Who was
he I—Witness; I have read it, 1 know.
The Solicitor-Geer.' : Who was he I—Witham : I forget.
Tie Sol(eitor.General What sort of • fellow was he; do
yeu know /—Wittees: tenth the reveres of what you ate.
L laughter)
The 831:eitor-Gentral : We nine of us know ourselves, SO
that does not help me re 1.1.9 you will tell me who he was?
—Wittiest: I hare told you. I ant certhin I have read the
book, but Ido not remember the cobtetath I don't recollect
oeteetior Goneret was he a sportsman/ (a pause).—
Wltuess You can ask me as meuy fool!sh tmestions es you
like, I hees no otj action to them. I have told vas four or
five times I do not knew.
The Solicitor-Geueral : You don't know whether he wean
general, a bishop, • master of texheunds, • ptizefighter, or
whet i—Wittes.: It is :always very difficult to make an
answer to niche question.
Toe Solicltnr-Setteral : Did you evey !lave anythieg to do
with Lord Ft eel Sera, net—who wee h. I—Witness: Some
✓etitive cad the D its 01 0 'sonnet, I uppore.
The 8 al:effluent:end: There 13 an exereselon I base
notine seen' timed Is your letters—the word misanthrope.
—.Witness: I am not aware of it.
the Solicitor (leneral: Gen you tell me what a misanthrope
?—Wneess N Ido not know I made use of it.
toe Solicitor-General: Can you tell me what It Is ?—Wit-
noes: No.
The Soilcltor Genera: :Do you know whether Ills a bird,
a beast, or a fhb, or what r —Witness ; I think I mode allusion
to It with regard to some deo.
The Sollcitor.Generel: Tnat Is In Ftemch—Le Misanthrope,
Whet I. • Culsisnarape it, llnglith l—Witnets : I eaenn
Tie Sollettor Genre': Do you know what kind of a thing
it Is In Knelith /—Witeetta lam uot aware it luau Eughsh
word at all.
Alter severe! other (mations had been put, the Solicitor-
General asked t Con you teil me what. troubadour lei—Wet-
ness: I might If he tee playllig on tile gitliar. (Laughter.)
lie would lea travelitng minstrel, I shenid say.
The Solicitor-General : You salt that when you were elle
wrecked you had on a ring elte the Ticheorne cre.tl—Wit.
Lem ; Did I um the licheorne crest. 1 cold a cornett.
mm: there was "R. CT." on It. I sold the Meg because I
wanted money.
The solicit. r-General : Why eid you not y; a to • banker
I and draw some meney?—Witnes. : You might go ton htm-
I &el bankers there without getting any.
The Selicitor•Gensral: You did not try ?—Wltneu : No.
The Lord Chbf Justice: Had there been any attempt to
I rots, looney forth, whole of the nee saved ?—Witness:
/bottle' think not, I don't think the other mi.n had any
MOnar, I know seething of them except their working on
the ship as gallon
the 8 Met:or-General : You have told ue shoot your will
before you west away S who threw Rl—Wittiest Mr.
S :lighter was the att. they and Mr. Barrows was the connel.
I sew him several limos, I believe I put down instructioes
myself.
Sin. Sof aant Ii dient In e. sa the cruet was about so) menthe,
eatd tint ios lordship would remember a letter the other day
from Mr it bertwen Gladstone as to some payees which had
been loft behled by Mr. (tosford. Those papers were now In
Wart, and he asked to have them deposited with the e eines
of the court, end they Weld then he Made such an of as
entght be thought 11t.
Mr. Thomas Beglith Stephens, • solicitor, was thou called
uenn his eubp na ducts tecues to produce the papers, and he
produced a pealed box something more than a, loot square,
tool they were handed to Mr. Davis, the aniociates• clerk, for
sate castodF •
Mr Serjeant Ballantine satd that he had not seen the
parer., hut he would undertake to use them as his evidence.
Mr. Stephens observed that there we, • right of property
In the papers, and he al k bit lordship's &section in refer-
ence to leaving the.
Sir 831) ten Ballantine said that the solloitore whole.
strneted him would give any hnientitty that mlght be re
trdi

St,phens expressed himself per'ectly 'Waled with
title, cud was rellev,d :real further attendance.
The usual adjournment for an hour then took place.
Upon the reassembling or the C dirt, after other questions
had been psi., the S 'nohow-General continued:
You are quite sure your wife was born In the colony?
—Witness I am quite satisfied she was born In Pitt-
street, Sydney. She had not been married before I msr•
tied tver. i never anew Coss-lee Pannell. I knew Mr.
Henry Angell. lie was a friend of Orton'.. He was one of
the persons I mentioned in the Wasps Wane will. I don't
remember seeing Mr. Pennell at Mr. Holmes's office on the
Ififfi July, 1563 It was not at Mr If olines's (Bice. I went
to Clement's-lane myself to Mr Holmes's office, but they did
not smile there. lie Introduced one of them at the New
City Cin's. Ile dffi not introduce me as Sir Roan- rich.
borne, Cr, se some say, Arthur Orton. Mr. Angell, Mr.
Pannell, Mr. Holmes, and myself dined there.
The Lord Chief Justice said that Mr. Davie Informed him
that Mr. Slephens had placed in his custody two other bases
of papers, 0.0 a very large One; and he supposed the same
course would be pursued as with the other b,,s

Mr. Salient Be dentine . Yes, and the eollottore who gave
Up their vacation would have plenty of time to exam'im
them. This was another excellent reason for adjourning at
the proper lime.

-
Wltneaa clittinued I don't remember any remarkable con.
venation with Lady Tichborne about her daughter in 11961.
I don't recollect meeting them in London; no•hlog par-
tlelear. I believe I went to the Behlbition with them.
To Bolicitcreizneral: ice Academy /—Witneee: The
Actidemy I ; the Eihittition.

Toe Sollcitor.G mend: la the list of your creditors In bank-
ruptcy trot t—Wtiness: I suppose so. Mr. Mooty or prepared
It. I dou't think I cave leatructi ine, I think he fout.d out
the instructions htratelf. I think I gave him a list of names,
and he found out (Ito amount& himself. I don't think I knew
the cm' out,. I think the schedule Is a correct account of my
debts I don't recollect seeing It.
The Solicitor-General : has not your attentlon been called
to It over again /—Witnees: What do you mean, when you
published It to the papers at Winchester? I don't recollect
having Keen It though, as you say I signed It, I suppose I
must have dons 80.

The SJllettor•General : Dld you owe F. Adante f 330 1—
NV Rheas : Li I {MIA to. Yi o d ,übt the am,utd • are correct

• ..... .
r. SAlcltor-Ganeral : And G Y. Plosam 1.1%00C,
nese: Yee. I don't know that I hal, any cant to tell you
how I owed Lim that aunt It Is • bond I gave him ea •
security, he agreeing to And me in home and home till the
end of the trial. cannot any what he has poll for me.
Ilni.dreda of pond.. The bmd was given lu 1(39. Slum
my at return from South America.

The &drat... General Dow much should you think 810.113
be. paid for your time 7—Witness: It Is hard to arty. We were
Heins In We family for some time.
The Solicitor-General : What Is he 7—Witness: A friend of
mire lie war formerly • wine and spirit merchant, I
htli•ye fe 14er aold • few of the Ttrhborne bonds for me
Ho did not originate SU whom.
The molictior thmeral : The fichborne Joint Stock Com-
pany f. r !stung debentures i—Witness ; It was no Joint
stock Company. I know what you moan; it Is mortgage
debenture loans lamed at 45 1 suppose I eat It on foot. It
was • loan I was getting from Fraron, Clayton. and Fearon.
['hey were stout to get t:',ll loan for me.
The Solicitor-General Did they 'finance" It, did they fled
the money 7—Witneas No. The money mall not found. I
hare moll a few of them sbme. I might have raised from
g 2 WO to t.. 3.000
. _ .

Too Elr'Honor Genets]. It Ir 6 per oeut tamed it 65.
D. you know anybody who Put gone hosylly In LOT Tichboroe
hcb4o—Wlibeee; No.

Ths Sollltor-Geoeral : M. (landlord Cils!ow, hu he taken
them 2—Wltnes. ;I d.n't think he errr saw one.

,
The tiolle,tor.lleneral: Are they ra,t.or high or low Dow?
...-Viltneee: It depet.de up +n bow yon hold them.
The 8,11,1t0r Gertral: Ilse the Bank of II .ela-ul taken
monk t— Wan. as : I think not. I have lutist them when I
wowed looney.
The Boholtor-(3eunral : Wonld ion lot anybody have them
now who wantcd thtmt—Wttheas: Yee, I thl..k I shoul.t.
flAughter.) They were I,eel until my oankrop'ey splaw,d
, the papere, and that put a atop to them. They have been
taken by a few private Mends

9everal other questions were pat to couneetko with the
btutruptey, and the forther hearing at the ciao eat again
adjourned.

The case was reaurned ou Wednesday morning, and
amongst the distinguished persona on the Bench, Witt
iiis Itiyal Ilighnese the Duke of Cambridge,
The Solicitor timeral mentioned that the defendant wcied
desire that the Melina:A suould he examined by some surgeon
na:ned by his lordship bel,na the cunis•examluation con-
duce& the saanaluarion that was desired was la relerence
Lo the various marks that the claimant had bead snehed toss
Mating upon various parts of Ms body. de had mbutioned
the matter to his learned friend, who did not assent to the
application, and therefore he was obliged to inahe it publicly.
Mr. Serjeant &Waugh° said that hls lordship had no power
to order any such examination, and he ,Sir. &dean& BARU:-
Slue) positively ref uosd to assent to IL ills case WAS twit
the whole iirton story was • deliberate conspiracy fou,ded
upon utter falsehood, and he could not ocu.sent to have
the math. spoken to examined before Liie WlLltenell for tile
defence had been heard. When the evidence, however, had
come tutu end, lie would, have no or j cotton to the fullest
examina,lon.
. . . .

The a.rliclita -General Bald that he must retort that he c/11.
sldvrtd the chalmauta case was a conspiracy acid the ..latrusull
an Imposter.
Ott. aeryeaht Italian:Me lost you have meld from the be-

fhe L rd Ch!el J uek. sald that such examinations were
coma.. In rsilway I.k:ottani*, said he was strongly ol opinion
that she plalaiff should los examined a to Llan narks el. Inn
to by hum llle, lawns,, wa not well acquainted voltis whet
Chu practice at ulLrern J 4.lgas tau been, sad be would there.
luro {AO time to consider weir:atter.

Mr Serjearit liallautine said that he should not ot act to
an ..Mleadoll of the marks on Cl,. head atil the teat, but
he should ol.ject to no examluatieu of the plalutliTs whole
buoy most strongly, because be know what the case berthid
was. Ile would repeat that he could not cocoon; to any
examluation before the wltuesses had noun examined who
were to express their behef as to his being Arthur Orton.
The Lord Chlat Justice said that the matter had better
stead over, and Junior counsel would lu the meantime fur-
nub him with We authorities upon the polut.
Cron-examinction cantibuwi : The diligence on which
Should have &me across the Cordilleras was Wandered MAI
the pasiengers murdered, as 1 sold lu my evidence.
The Solicitor.L;eneral Did you get that Inserted in the
tatiten I—Willies& No. I brought doivu a Cordova paper
cuotelning an Coconut. I did riot Eel It illetrte,l In the
paper. I do not khow the Lllice of the paper, nor anybody
co. isected with IL. I did not pay anybody Co write Clout It.
The Solicitor-Oeueral Here Is a htter from you In May,
1807, to Mr. Rnlts In which you say
got very frightened yesterday ramming. I thought I was
going a-nutith.g In souther ; but I am a good doll
°otter to-1ay....117 dear friend, we Lave received a let)
Valliant' letter frun Australia, but Mr. Holmes don't within
at any ode know it not lir bulpitt, so dou't say I told you.
It haa au account of nay arrival in Melbourne In 1854 it was
sent by my hauler, M. Cottle, A. J. 0 batik, Niagga Waage.
He thought I might want it.
Toe Solichor-Lietieral Hare you got that lotto. I—Wit-
true ; No, I have not. Mr riohne' perhaps has.
the Sdicifor-Geueral called ilynit Mr. Llo:thea to produce
it.
Mr. Moline& !marched Ma papers but could not hod It and
he mail to Lie nthos Co see If It could be fou,l there,
WILIAM: 1 don't know that 1 saw the Letter Most un-
dual...tally there would be such a letter, or I should not have
so writ.eu. Mr. Holmes may have cooramulcaled the sou
tent, to me. I bete lint inn inahttat Intutkatlint of the
contents of the Wier.
Tile BalicitorAitmeral: Was it short or fungi—Wilder/
C .d.-Pok< triat t don't recolloct It at M., Low can I tell
you? (Laughter.).

: Ls that the latter that I now bawd
to pu /—Wituesa : I dou'LlMsk It la. I aeuuld think is %WAG
be oue that would cume liter that.

lleSLlctorOour.l Ti London p ‘otmatk Is tho 20. hee
M aud your later is tho 23d1 of Ala} 2—Wdueos: Thou
probably It would be the one, ,
• - •••

Au. ohct.r-ionural Mile la from Mr. Cottle tY the
plaintiff ;the teit,r was read and It said.. It struk me
that a duly authenticated acoouut of your arrival to the
()wry would he of eery,ce to you, and I have acionllugly
writteu to a friet.d to search the newrinipirs for she account
and get a et:M[l.M ceyy of Ito uerrivaper need ")
to that
the letter i—Witunes : I should thlnk there pronely wee
another.

The Lord Cale! Justice said that tip letter did net coutain
the I ormtto referred to in the platotlll's letter.
Witness continued; I have no doubt I received such a
letter. because I should Lot write • falsehood ; but I nave
no ropsilection at all about the letter. I suppose it will be
produced. I hould this k that probably there was a letter
about which Mr. Holmes ex;..reasetl that. alit.

The Oolloltor Cioneral : Oa-VlM:nary is 1165, yOU wrote to
Mr. honk "I received two letters last melt from my wife's
frxenets.” Ntlto were: they Is—Witness: You want to know her
friends now. Well I el:o.ulet think too woull on her in ether
said he:relater. They are the Only two persons who who,
an. therefore 1 name them.

-11;t7S .......................... were family and domestic
lettel t—Wituees : J at to : you c‘al see thew 11 you slsh.
After questloas In reference to several other letters, the
Solicitor-Otral contlnuea : Is there my person lu Musland
now who IG.ew you In Austral!. ss lons Castro 7—Witness :
Lots—a tee, that la. Thero are now here Mr. /I,bert Cook,
Mr. John Peters, and Mr. O'Mara lhure ale others I him
heels eJuntly. ilhers La C‘tor, Lot he hms rcurned,
have seen a great many
The Solicitor-General : t;ive the names of some of them..
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Mr. Serpent Bsilautine °Netted, upon the ground that
the quantum; were uot relevant to the lasue to be tried. to
was a Bort of oral bill of discovery to get at the names of the
pbautitri witnessen, aud CU Cprocreding not aahctioued
our law. . . . . .

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The S.,licitot-Gmeral submitted that the evidence was
clear 4 relevant, for It tended to ahow not merely what 'sh-
aves. the plaintiff would call, out what wimessea who were
at baud ho would former to call

--ftre—Co7.lFol;Cito-C14.; Li;-;Tight, that the questlan had
betr.ar be put. . .

Mr. tiatjeaut Ballaotine would Lot make soy setlous 0j:o-
-lio:I to Oda course.

-711-e-f4;l7cit.T.;:Telieral Tell me the names.— Witness I
tive• stout.' 1,10, at them and uJset them.
Mr Sevisaut Ballauttne Would your lordship ori!er the
witness hi answer under these circumstances.

The S Mcicor•Oeuerad : I piles the question.
Thu Lord ChM( Jugice hen you must auecrer.
Withese : Ooe I Cilllloi 101 l you, for I ouly know him an
"I,lwer?o?L.". 1 dou'c recollectany other.

The kolteltoPOeneral: Is there any person In egland
who knew Arthur Orton In Moiralta ?—Wan.: Yea.

The &Water-General: Gen you eve the Lionel, of any of
thew 2—Witness: I be very sorry.
The 8o:folios fieuersl: Can't you recollect 7—With..,; I
shall reculsect when they ere pas In the whom-box. I can-
pot recollect their names.

The Solicitor-General Thet you swear 2—Witnese
Yea Is would be perfectly Indust, my ion% to is. mimi me
to answer. I have seen several. We have thine beau ready
to go into the bon There may be more.
Toe Sollcitor-Ganeral : Are they in court now
I decline to answer that quest: n, In fact, I can't tell I bare
riot seen them this morning. I know them, but have not
known them a good many tears.
The S th.stor General : Did you know them yourself In
Australia!-aWitness : One of them I did, the other not.
. .

The Solicltor-Otneral What la the name of the one you
know f—Wltnete : I am not going to tell you; In fact, I don't
know that lever knew, except the nickname.

Tao Solicitor.lientrel What ii Mat " lAverpe.,l? "—Mt-
Lola: Yes.

A great man) wagtails were pot in reference to the army,
to parson s whom the Claimant kJ ow, Or to pas Ate Who had
made stgemeats connected vain tre case, sat utter reread
lettere had neon altered to and handed to the Jury for their
Inspection, the witness continued;—
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I have a Imre. mark w ny lotto 15, but I will not tell yon,
for there way be other forgeries. I *di glee It to your lord-
ship or the Jury.
The Soltchur•General I matt press the question I—Wd-
nen : And Ire ut to answer.

inn L rd Cmel Jolla.. after wine ntecusaltru, add that
the quwitinn mud be autwered.
Auer ...me Inv her distu orlon It was arranged that the
witness should write down on paper what he re:eired to. Ile
said that he idtd only written the same, and that contained
Ito private mark of fichborne.
The Scolciter-Genera!: This le an undouhterUy genuine
letter at ) our* to Lady Tlchborne P—Witneat : Yea.
The 0 Metter Lloweral : And it be not there l—Witnem : No.
It may not he In all of them. It Is not In the seeded letter
handed to me. . .

The O metal la It In that one. I have taken one
at pure haphazard ?—Witness: No. Nor Is It in the veal It
Is not In these two others. Theae are all letters to my
mother. I have elated a lac; Well knows. It has teem
knows to Mr. Holmes for years.

Th SllctlorGezez4 : Here are live letters to Idajm Nor-
buoy; It Ulu then:a—Whom . It doul appear to be. Yea,
It Is to one.

The SJlldtor.Geueral: Here IS another to Dick Kellett, Is
;in that t—Witnesa: Yea, It U.
The Solicitor-Go:era] : Mere It one to Mr. Cook, Is It hi
Lit —IV itnese : No.
Mr. tierJeant lialleottne said that In the three letters which
le witness said were not Renato' the mark did not occur.
. . .

Witness : 111. not fair you @Could pick out theta letters.
Tde Sollcitur.6eneral I have not picked them out. Here,
pick them out youreelf.—Wituess : Toe letters handed to Ine
are too setrly. I did irst adopt it till 13',7. You will flud It
In the (Ali lettere.

The 8 dlvltol-3eneral : Hare aro two I ,(0 letters. One bat
It only.—Witneae : And that one happen@ Co be In IbIT.
The flolldtor Gown& It In otber. In-7 When did
you adopt Itt—Witneae: I do not any I put It In every
letter.

The kolleitor General T.n it furnlahes no teat i—Wik
new It furnishes a teat when 1 see a letter that 1 know the
Words of are not mine.
The further hearing of the oue wu then adjourned.