The Dorset County Express and Agricultural Gazette.
Dorchester, Dorset, England, 1858-03-30 00:00:00

THURSDAY.

In reply to Mr. GRIFFITH, who inquired whether if, '
In the opinion of the law officers of the Crown, the
capture of the Cagliari proved to have been illegal, it
was intended to demand from the Neapolitan Go.
vernment compensation to the engineers,
The CHANCELLOR Of the &imagoes said that the
questions put to the Government had become so numer-
ous that they had come to the determination to avoid aa
much as possible answering hypothetical questions, and
therefore he was unable to respond to this inquiry. He
added (in reply to Lord J. Ituaaitm,) that the answers of
the law officers had not yet been received.
Mr. Rosanne moved "that the office of Lord-Lieu-
tenant of Ireland ought to be abolished, and the office of
Secretary of State for Ireland to be at once created."
He repelled the charge which had been brought "gained
him of being actuated by enmity to Ireland in this
motion ; on the contrary, he believed, he said, that the
success of his resolution would conduce to the benefit of
Ireland ; that it would lift her from the state of a
province, and enable her to take • position as an inde-
pendent part of the empire, enhancing at once her
dignity and her happiness. He proceeded to show that
the maintenance of this office did mischief to Ireland—
first, by the expanse of the establishment, which cost
£50,000 a year, expended for nobody's benefit; and,
secondly, whether socially, or politically considered,
for neither in • social nor a political view was it any
real benefit to Ireland to retain this pageant, this badge
of 'Lavery, a satrap of England. He would do away
with the Lord-Lieutenant and the Chief Secretary, and
substitute • Secretary of State for Ireland.
Mr. S. B. MILLER objected to the motion that it had
originated with a private member who had no con-
nexion with Ireland, who had no congeniality of senti-
ment or sympathy of feeling with that country, and that
it was unaccompanied with any well considered machi-
nery for supplying the place of the existing form of
government. Such • measure should emanate from the
Government, and, considering that this was not the
fit occasion for introducing such • motion, and that it
was not the proper manner in which it should have
been brought forward, he moved the previous question.
Colonel FRENCH considered the amendment to be as
objectionable as the original motion ; it avoided what
was desired, the expression of an opinion upon that
motion.
_

Lord NAAR stated his reasons for voting for the pre.
viou question.
Sir G. C. Lewis, with reference to an argument put
forward by Mr. Miller, observed that there was nothing
in the Act of Union which related to the off,. of Lord.
Lieutenant, and from this silence it mast be inferred
that the race was not considered perpetual, and, con.
shiering the changes which had taken place since 1800
in the (unities of intercourse, and the alterations hi the
administrative departments at Dublin, he thought it was
Impossible to look to the permanent continuance of the
odic* of Lord-Lieutenant. To the lint part of the
resolution, therefore, he wu prepared to assent; but
the resolution went further, and proposed to substitute
• Secretary of State charged with the affairs of Ireland.
Now, a fourth Secretary of State had recently been
created; was it expedient to constitute • fifth? He
was not at present disposed to accede to this proposal,
and should therefore vote for the previous question.
Mr. BLACKBURN, who had given notice of an amend.
ment, to omit all the words in the resolution after the
word "abolished," was of opinion that this was a At
time for making the change, and he urged the present
Government at once to abolish the office of Lord-Lieu.
tenant.

Mr. DODSON considered that the existing Government
of Ireland had all the weakness and irresponsibility of •
double and sometimes • treble Government. The Lord.
Lieutenant, be said, was • complete anomaly; he was •
Colonial Governor without the authority of one, and •
high Minister of State without • seat in the Cabinet.
He objected, however, to the creation of • fifth Secretary
of State, and thought that, with the luoistanoe of an
additional Under• Secretary, the Home-odioe could eon.
duct the bueineu of the three countries.

Mr. GROGAN urged the ill•effects of repeatedly
agitating this question.
Mr. BAXTER supported the resolution. He thought
this question ought to be brought to some definite issue,
and that this was not an inopportune time for taking it
into consideration. There was • strong feeling in the
north of Ireland, he said, that this office ought to be
abolished. The expense was totally anneoessary for an
office that was not merely useless but mischievous.
Mr. DOBBS, IS IL Irish member, was for abolishing
the offion of Lord• Lieutenant ; although approving the
proposal in the abstract, he must vote against the
motion.
Mr. C. FORTZSCUE thought it better to wait until the
Government could bring in • measure for establishing,
in the room of the present, a fresh mashinery o ad.
ministration that would confer greater benefit upon
Ireland.

Lord T. RoaseLL said it appeared to him that those
who 'summed that there must be • separate administra-
tion for Ireland forgot that times and circumstances had
changed; so much No that, in his opinion, it was worthy
of ootunderation whether it would not be better for Ire-
land herself that the separate Executive should be no
longer continued. If he had found that the present
Government insisted that this office ought to be per-
petuated, he should support the resolution; but Lord
Naas had said nothing of the kind; on the contrary, he
seemed not indisposed to the change, and be (Lord john)
thought it better to leave the matter in the hands of the
Government. He should therefore support the previous
question.

Mr. WALPOLE said the Government had thought,
considering this not to be the fit time for entertaining
this question, and the difficulties which surrounded it,
that their proper course was to vote for the previous
question. He agreed that this was a proper subject for
the consideration of the Executive Government. Until
the difficulties of the question could be maturely
weighed by the Government and surmounted, they
could not propose the abolition of this office. _ .

Lord PALIIBILEITON, in stating his reasons for voting
for the previous question, observed that there were cir-
cumstances which counterbalanced the advantages to be
derived from the unity of administration, which would
be a great benefit of itself. But, after all, the decision
ought to be governed by the feeling of the people of Ire-
land. If they thought the office ought not to be abo-
lished, no consideration of the advantages obtainable
from unity of administration should tempt Parliament
to put any compulsion upon the national feeling.
After a biting reply from Mr. ROEBUCK the House di-
vided upon the previous question, "that this question
be now put," which was determined in the negative by
243 to ll&
C.URD called attention to the subject of agri-
cultural statistics in Scotland, with a view to their
future collection, and moved for further papers relative
thereto.

After a discussion the motion was withdrawn.
On the order for the seoond reading of the Galway
Freemen Disfranebisament Bill,
Mr. RO/LBUOL moved that the second reading be de-
ferred for 111 months. The Bill, he said, punished only
one class of offenders. the Last &Min.-name* the 11.`""
tine bribed, is34l..k.siug an unjust be. g
; and gsve notice %Alf passed ith
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A disausrion followed, M. Saha* witirdaw bis
'amendment, and the Bill was read a mond time.
The House adjourned at half-p 12 o'clock.

FRIDAY.
The Customs' Duties Bill was mad a seam& time,
The Cruaccucon of the Hammon rose to meth
for leave to bring in a Bill to transfer the Government
of India from the Fast India Company to the Quen.
The vote br which a Houe of Coupes ~reesenly
elected had declared by an overwhelming mijonty that,
In its opinion, the Government of India should bit tram-
ferrsd to Her Majesty appeared, be Mid; to the Present
Ministers to be conclusive m to one pointithe
tion of the anthority of the East India COmpeny. --an
institution which, though it had (idlea. hiving isi tense
time rested on a foundation that was sapped and hollow,
had in its day done great service to tint °outer He
proceeded to describe the form of theliceu Govern.
meat for India which was embodied in the Bill. It was
proposed, in the first pines, that there should be a high
officer of State, a Minister of the Crown, who should
occupy the rank and fulfil the duties of • Secretes-, of
State, to be President of • Council of Indio., That
Counoil would consist of 18 persona half be iseeiduated
, by warrant from the Crown, under the Royal sign-
manual; the other moiety to ha sleeted. Each of the
nine nominated members should represeqt KM' great
interest in India, so that, they Would be reprosentative
men, and be appointed in this manner : each of the
Presidencies would be represented by t member of He
civil service who had served ten riati t the upper
provinces of India or in the mu itriu under the
authority of the Governor-General of ludiii` another In
the lower provinces of Bengal,. a third.forMathas, and
a fourth for Bomber. The fifth Member would have a
peculiar qualification. It was Jimmie* that there
should be in the Council of India a memberyarming
personal experience of the diameter and foicd of
tive princes, as Resident or political agent at • native
Court. The other four nominated members it wee pro-
posed, should represent the military dervice—oneli
with a service in India ef five years, the 'Omen* Aral
each of the armies of Bengal, Madras, and. Bombay Sc be
represented by an °Meer who liaises:me4 at lemt ten
icare. It was intended to introduce into the Bill itself
lls names of the noininilefl members; sal that hi the
rst instance, they would have not only Royal, but Par.
liamentary sanction. Another porkies the Ontheil
of India was to be chosen by popular se. The
lqualificationy of
tfo;tter of
uthweheoleiledd nin:d ho
Mb, Majesty
or the IndlemnuOovernment in any bran* of the Ind*
service whatever for 10 years, or who ha melded in
India for 13 years. They would be theses by aeon-
Mituency constituted thus every person who had borne
the minrolseion of Her Majesty or attar Government of
India for ten years resident in this mustily, or who had
been in the doll minim, of eitJ.ltiereplost• !fled,
or who Wee • resident proprie nook
of an Indian railway ler of public ';ras, or poseseseLof
£l,OOO of Indian Mock, would have the power a voting
for the elates of these four menthe* Of ,
The number of the electors it wsitestico7stri;c7l4
amount to 5,000 persone. As to the, otimit five sleeted
members, their qualification would bait farth min they. nut
have been engaged in the commerce 'of 1 s
export of nisnufaltured article, thither*. WM .4re
or resident ia Lain (mat
vlaqF. Their
election *mild be confidwl ti the el Moils
and Mitts*. in this mann.: j, one wo ...Mooted
,by
each of the following Cdeell :Lont2ol, Manchester,
Liverpool, 'Glasgow, and 'Meat Thelatesilidithey to
return the.. members the Government was of 2=
should be the Parliam ethelitemeeles
pima respectively. The Minister far India would have
the power of dividing the Conant .thni.osimmittees, ex-
ercising over them a general implaveidan,,,and the power
So call • meeting of the Council. It wweldlikawiso be
in the power of eixlCounaillosu to mils Council by ap-
plication in writing to the Beentarfef State for India.
The members of the Council would mellitus • sent in
Parliament, and their salary would be £l,OOO • year.
Virtually, the patronage exercised by the East India
Company would be exercised in the mune way by the
Council of India. Al to the army of India, there wooki
be no change except what resulted from the general
mope of the Bill. The Bill would fix upon the revenues
of India alone the expense of the Government of India;
the accounts would be laid before Pediment, and there
would be • sufficient audit. The relations of this
country with the Indian finances remained a source of
anxiety, and he believed that the time would soon
arrive when Parliament must give its lesiom attention
to this subject Notwithstanding the ability of the
administrators of India, the state of its finances had
always been involved in obscurity and perplexity, and
It would be the duty of Ministers to recommend Her
Majesty (and a clause was inserted in the Bill to that
effect) to authorise • Royal commission to visit India,
to investigate the financial condition of even, part of
our establishments there, and to report maerally on the
whole subject. These were the principal features of the
Bill.

Mr. ROKBOCH characterised the MONAIILre OA a great
sheen; and
Mr. Bawer doubted whether the Bill of Lord Pal.
wanton was not preferable. He disliked the number
of the Council, and the mode of election; he wiehed to
have a more simple machinery.
Ultimately leave was given to bring In the Bill.
Some further business was disposed of, and the
House adjourned at 20 minutes past 8 o'clock until
Monday week, the 12th of April.