1986-05-02

Mr. Brian Tobin (Humber-Port au Port-St. Barbe):: Mr. Speaker, the people of Atlantic Canada petition this House that the Prime Minister send the Minister for International Trade (Mr. Kelleher) back to kindergarten for basic Canadian geography lessons. The Minister endeared himself to the people of Nova Scotia several months ago by telling Haligonians the Stanfield textile industry did not exist. Yesterday, zap, he wiped Prince Edward Island out of existence, and with a wave of his magic marker, added one half million more Americans in what used to be the Province of Newfoundland.
The people of New Brunswick live in frenzied fear of the next attempt by the Minister to open his mouth to change feet. The Government should shelve its attempts to promote free trade and should instead promote free geography lessons for Ministers, particularly the Minister for International Trade who has not had the common sense up to this stage at least to look embarrassed for his latest faux pas.
May the Minister withdraw gracefully his promotional exhibit and consign it to the nearest-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. Sixty seconds.
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POLITICAL PARTIES
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When the Hon. Member for Vancouver South (Mr. Fraser) supported the creation of a national park in South Moresby, the Hon. Member for Cariboo-Chilcotin (Mr. Greenaway), the Hon. Member for Mission-Port Moody (Mr. St. Germain), and the Hon. Member for Nanaimo-Alberni (Mr. Schellenberg) said it wasn't so. When the Minister of the Environment (Mr. McMillan) publicly supported South Moresby, the same crowd, and more, said it wasn't so.
When the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development (Mr. Crombie) announced a policy of co-management in fisheries along with the new Minister of Fisheries and Oceans (Mr. Siddon), the same crowd, and more, said it wasn't so. When the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development said aboriginal title was likely in British Columbia, B.C. Tories and Socreds freaked out and said it wasn't so. In fact the Tory Member of Parliament from North Vancouver dissociated himself from the Minister and told the press it just wasn't so. What is clear is that the Tory Members of Parliament from B.C. have no voice in Cabinet. They rely on saying it just isn't so, and hope that B.C. voters "believe it or not".
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Mr. William G. Lesick (Edmonton East):: Mr. Speaker, as an energy-producing nation Canada must urgently consider new methods to free itself from OPEC price manipulations. The drastic decline in the price of oil has cost thousands of jobs in Alberta, which could climb to 9,000 by June if the price remains low. As we enter trade talks with the United States, we are in the strongest possible position when it comes to our ability to supply energy. Perhaps it is time for us to take another look at a North American energy accord.


Mr. Jim Fulton (Skeena):: Mr. Speaker, I bring to the attention of British Columbians the sleazy politics being practised by the Conservative Party. Since the election, Members of Parliament from British Columbia, and some followers, have practiced the "good cop" and "bad cop" routine on everything from fish to parks.
Instead of falling prey to OPEC's manipulations, let us build a secure future for western Canada through new accords which secure a larger market for Canadian oil. If OPEC wants to play games with oil, let it not affect us. A North American accord could secure and create thousands of needed jobs and stimulate massive new development, especially in Alberta.

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AIRPORTS
Mr. Barry Turner (Ottawa-Carleton):: Mr. Speaker, you will shortly see, as will all Members of the House and all Canadians, that the Ottawa-Gloucester International Airport has a new look.
Yesterday I had the honour to represent the Government and our great Minister of Transport (Mr. Mazankowski) when the Mayor of Gloucester, Harry Allan, and I cut a beautiful blue ribbon to open officially the renovated west wing of the airport in the nation's capital.
Cold, wind-blown, wet or snowy external departures or arrivals during fall or wintery days are gone. There are magnificent functional open spaces, with superb views of all tarmac activities through easily accessible glass walls; better access to all services, including direct access from the parking lot to the loading bays for business travellers with no baggage; special features for the handicapped; and a baby room for mothers or fathers with young ones.
It is not all finished. It is a little bit behind schedule, but it is on budget.
Vancouver has its world-class Expo 86. We now have a world-class airport.


NATIONAL DEFENCE
Mr. Len Hopkins (Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke):: Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Associate Minister of National Defence (Mr. Andre) stated in the House that the Lalonde Budget had forecast zero growth in 1986-87 defence expenditures. He was dead wrong-again.
The fiscal plan which accompanied the last Lalonde Budget showed a projected 3.8 per cent real growth for the 1986-87 period, after one applies a 4.9 per cent DND deflator. Given lower than expected oil prices and an actual 1986-87 DND deflator of 3.8 per cent, we see that the DND budget, as projected by Mr. Lalonde, would actually have had 4.9 per cent real growth, contrary to the incorrect and incomplete impression provided by the Associate Minister yesterday; and the Conservative Government is not even meeting the NATO commitment of 3 per cent.
Furthermore, Mr. Lalonde projected total DND expenditures for next year, 1987-88, of $11.14 billion as compared to the latest Wilson projection-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. Sixty seconds.


INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY
Mr. Tom Hockin (London West):: Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind the House of the existence of the International Atomic Energy Agency which was established in 1956. The functions of the agency are very relevant in the midst of the nuclear accident which occurred in the last few days.
The functions of the agency are to "seek to accelerate and enlarge the contribution of atomic energy to peace, health and prosperity throughout the world" and to ensure that nuclear energy "is not used in such a way as to further any military purposes". This is a quotation from the statute of the agency.
I would ask the Government to urge this agency to be prepared in the future to help in the case of accidents. I would also like to encourage that this agency develop more resources and procedures for dealing with accidents and, above all-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. Sixty seconds.


STATUS OF WOMEN
Mr. Ian Deans (Hamilton Mountain):: Mr. Speaker, this week a coalminer's daughter from Cape Breton became the President of the CLC. This is a truly notable accomplishment. Not only is Shirley Carr the first woman to achieve this high office, she is universally recognized as a tough but thoughtful advocate for those in our society who need a voice, whether or not they be from within the trade union movement.
Shirley came up through the ranks, understands the problems of Canadian families, and is dedicated to making Canada and the world more humane.
As a highly respected leader in the trade union movement she has established herself as a conciliator par excellence. I trust that the Government of Canada will both seek out and listen to the views which Shirley Carr will bring to the public debate of Canada. Her election makes Canada a better place.

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THE ECONOMY
Mr. Nic Leblanc (Longueuil):: Mr. Speaker, our Government's sustained efforts to boost the Canadian economy continue to bear fruit.
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Among other things, five-year mortgage rates have gone down 3.5 per cent since September 4, 1984, a monthly saving of $116, or $7,000 in the case of a $50,000 mortgage.
In addition, mortgage rates have never been this low in eight years.
The Bank of Canada rate is down 3.41 per cent and the chartered banks' prime rate has declined by 2.5 per cent.
Since the Budget was tabled hardly two months ago there has been a 1.25 per cent drop in mortgage rates, while the Bank of Canada prime rate decreased by 2.5 per cent.
Mr. Speaker, this encouraging economic performance by our Government will continue and, between now and 1990, the Government's financial requirements-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. The 60 seconds are up. The Hon. Member for The Battlefords-Meadow Lake (Mr. Gormley).


AGRICULTURE
Mr. John Gormley (The Battlefords-Meadow Lake):: Mr. Speaker, the federal Government has shown that it is willing to listen and ready to act for Canada's farmers. During a difficult time for the agricultural community, farmers have been justified in asking for measures of relief. The Prime Minister (Mr. Mulroney) has responded personally by announcing the complete removal of all sales and excise taxes on farm fuel, a freeze on grain freight rates, an increased ceiling on domestic wheat of $11 per bushel, a fast-track approach to farm debt legislation, and Canada's role of advocacy on agriculture at the Economic Summit in Tokyo.
These measures are a clear and timely response to prairie agriculture. While we know that there is more to be done to find long-term solutions for farmers, the agricultural community can count on the Prime Minister and the Government to find the answers.


FUEL PRICE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN CANADA AND UNITED STATES
Mr. Fernand Robichaud (Westmorland-Kent):: Mr. Speaker, the gas price gap between Canada and the United States has widened to the extent that Canadian airlines would
rather buy their fuel in the United States. An analyst has indicated that fuel costs 20 per cent less south of the border. Burning more fuel on the way back to Canada because of full tanks is still cheaper than filling up in this country.
Again Canadians are losing money. Revenue losses on the Canadian market are recuperated by our southern neighbour because the federal Government's gas taxes are too high. The heavier the tax load, the higher the price in Canada and the longer our airlines will continue to buy American fuel. This anomaly is due to the Government whose first responsibility should be to put our country back on a competitive footing.


DISASTERS
Mr. Andrew Witer (Parkdale-High Park):: Mr. Speaker, we are witness to a tragedy of incredible proportions. Thousands are reported dead, tens of thousands may be suffering the effects of radiation sickness, and the 2.5 million residents of Ukraine's capital, Kiev, are threatened by the contaminated water reservoir that supplies the city. Intelligence reports indicate that there may be a second meltdown in process.
The nuclear accident at Chernobyl, Ukraine, has endangered the lives of millions of Ukrainians and people of neighbouring countries and will be felt for generations to come. Yet Soviet authorities have not accepted offers of assistance from the United States and Canada; they refuse to provide information. This callous disregard for human life and the environment must be condemned.
It is imperative that the Soviet Union allow an international team on site to inspect the damage and to provide medical and technical assistance. Every effort must be made to alleviate the suffering of thousands of Ukrainians. Continued non-acceptance of international aid is a heinous crime against humanity.


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. Sixty seconds.


THE PRIME MINISTER
Mr. Howard McCurdy (Windsor-Walkerville):: Mr. Speaker, is the Prime Minister (Mr. Mulroney) somehow immunized against respect for the honesty of most Canadians or is he plagued with some debilitating disease which compels him to promise what he will not deliver, to say what he surely cannot believe, and to so frequently rearrange the facts to suit some new purpose? If so, it is a pathology of evil consequence, not because it damages his credibility for he is but a momentary player, and not just because he discredits politics, but

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because he damages the credibility of our country and may in the end cost the lives and compromise the freedom of those who were promised our support.
Remember that ringing declaration at the United Nations that sanctions would be imposed and diplomatic relations broken by Canada if South Africa failed to make fundamental changes in apartheid? Now the Prime Minister says that Margaret Thatcher will lead the fight. Canada's Prime Minister has a new commitment to do a tiny little bit, only a tiny little bit.


YEAR OF INTERNATIONAL PEACE
Mr. Marcel Prud'homme (Saint-Denis):: Mr. Speaker, 1986 has been proclaimed by the United Nations as the Year of International Peace. On this occasion a group of very dedicated and highly multicultural people from Montreal, known as Park Extension Youth Organization, have decided to dedicate their annual marathon to honour this very important year for international peace.
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I think these people are to be congratulated on having had this wonderful idea of inviting the people of Montreal to take this particular opportunity to reflect on the Year for International Peace proclaimed by the United Nations. We certainly need reflection in these troubled times, Mr. Speaker, and I want to offer them my sincere congratulations, because this must be the first organization in Montreal that...


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please, the sixty seconds are up.
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ORAL QUESTION PERIOD


Hon. Bob Kaplan (York Centre):: Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Deputy Prime Minister. The conflict of interest guidelines provide that Ministers shall perform their official duties and so arrange their private affairs in such manner that public confidence ana trust in the integrity, objectivity, and impartiality of Government are conserved and enhanced. In that the Deputy Prime Minister has been telling us day after day that it is up to the Opposition to prove that the conflict of interest guidelines have been violated, I want to ask him the following. Is it not the job of the Prime Minister to ensure that the ethical standards of the Minister of Regional Industrial
Expansion are appropriate for him to remain in his Cabinet? Is it not the Prime Minister's job?


Hon. Erik Nielsen (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of National Defence):: Mr. Speaker, there is no difference in that question from those which have been asked repeatedly over the last four days. I will simply repeat to the hon. gentleman that the Code of Conduct, as it is and has been in place since September 9, 1985, requires that all Ministers comply with that code. The Minister has complied with that code, and that is a fact which he can establish for himself simply by looking at the public records with the Assistant Deputy Registrar General.


GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY
Robert Phillip Kaplan: Mr. Speaker, on April 30, the Prime Minister said that there was what he called unproven and undocumented evidence. He referred it to the Assistant Deputy Registrar General who did not look at it. All the Assistant Deputy Registrar General did was have a short discussion with the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion. Is there not a duty on the part of the Government, knowing the limited investigation which was done by the Assistant Deputy Registrar General, to do an independent investigation and verification of the documented in evidence which is available and condemns the Minister, under the guidelines?


Erik Nielsen: I disagree with that, Mr. Speaker, particularly the last portion of the allegation of the Hon. Member. The duty of the Assistant Deputy Registrar General is to ensure compliance by the Ministry with the Code of Conduct. That is the beginning and end of his responsibility. He has done that. I am satisfied, as is the Prime Minister, that that has occurred.


APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Robert Phillip Kaplan: Mr. Speaker, compliance also involves an obligation to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. Is the Deputy Prime Minister telling the country that an Assistant Deputy Registrar General is the one who determines whether there is the appearance of a conflict? Surely not. Surely the Government-and it should admit it- has failed in its duty to provide a standard and to maintain it within the guidelines.


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, I am saying nothing of the kind. It is the hon. gentleman who is saying those things. I am telling him repeatedly, as I have been for the last four days, that the Assistant Deputy Registrar General has a responsibility to seek compliance with the Code of Conduct. That is the Prime Minister's responsibility and, in his absence, my responsibility. I have taken the necessary steps to ensure that that compliance has been had, and I have been saying that for the last four days. Indeed, I started saying it last April 7.
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CROWN CORPORATIONS
Mr. Jacques Guilbault (Saint-Jacques):: Mr. Speaker, I would have liked to have directed my question to the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion, but in his absence I will direct it to the Deputy Prime Minister. With respect to the sale or privatization of Crown corporations like Canadair, would the Deputy Prime Minister confirm that the recommendations of the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion are submitted to the Task Force on Privatization and ultimately brought to Cabinet, as stated by Mrs. Margaret Rudolf, a Treasury Board official, and contrary to the what the Deputy Prime Minister declared in the House yesterday, when he said that the President of the Treasury Board was responsible?
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Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member is obviously not familiar with the process. I outlined it the day before yesterday and again briefly today.


Mr. Frith:: Contradicted.


Erik Nielsen: Not contradicted at all. Let me set it on the record. First, CDIC will undertake a thorough analysis and conduct follow-up negotiations as appropriate for each of the proposals. Each will be judged objectively on its respective merits. Second, the analysis of the proprosals and follow-up negotiations will be presented to the CDIC board of directors.


Ms. Copps:: Analysis?


Erik Nielsen: -which will in turn present its recommendations to the Minister of Regional Economic Expansion.


Sheila Maureen Copps: Pay their dues. Is that the analysis?


Erik Nielsen: Third, the Minister will then present the CDIC recommendations to the Government's task force on privatization chaired by Mr. Robert de Cotret, President of the Treasury Board.


Mr. Baker:: Order.


Erik Nielsen: Finally, if the Government decides there are proposals worth considering with a view to divestiture-


George Baker: Order.


Erik Nielsen: -the matter will be taken before Parliament for appropriate consideration.
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REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION OF PURCHASE OFFER FOR CANADAIR
Jacques Guilbault: Mr. Speaker, we want to make sure that all offers for Canadair are given the same treatment.
I would therefore ask the Deputy Prime Minister to confirm whether it is true that Magna International Inc. filed its proposal to purchase Canadair with the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion instead of filing it with the Canada Development Investment Corporation like the other prospective buyers. This question was not answered yesterday in the House. What is the answer?


Erik Nielsen: I am sorry, Mr. Speaker, but I believe I have answered that. There are five candidates that have expressed an interest. All five proposals will be considered in accordance with the process that I have precisely set down in my response to the immediately preceding question. All five of them will be subject to that process, which includes not only the cabinet committee and the cabinet process but also the House of Commons process.


Mr. Gray (Windsor West):: Does the Magna proposal go to Stevens first?


CANADA-UNITED STATES NEGOTIATIONS-INFORMATION KIT EXPENDITURES
Hon. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):: Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Deputy Prime Minister. Yesterday he refused to answer a serious question on the propriety of the Government spending public funds on matters not yet approved by Parliament. I hope he will deal with that today.
Not long ago the Secretary of State for External Affairs, when he was Leader of the Opposition, said:
I think that the attempt to spend public money, to manipulate public opinion on public questions that have not yet been decided, is an improper practice that offends the rights of this House of Commons.
Would the Deputy Prime Minister tell the House why this sound principle does not apply to the propagandists, one-sided case put out by the Government in favour of free trade?


Mr. Hnatyshyn:: The truth hurts, Ed.


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, I should set the Hon. Member straight. He knows that I didn't refuse to answer the question yesterday. The Minister responsible was here-


John Edward Broadbent: I asked you the question.

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Erik Nielsen: -and he answered. In his absence today, I will answer it on behalf of the Government. I can see no productive reason for departing from the answers he gave yesterday in response to a series of questions that were put to him on that matter. He being the Minister responsible answered fully and, I thought, very adequately.


GOVERNMENT POSITION
John Edward Broadbent: Mr. Speaker, the Deputy Prime Minister is either inadvertently misleading the House or he didn't listen to what the Minister said yesterday. He didn't deal with that question. He answered other questions.
When the Deputy Prime Minister was on this side of the House and the Secretary of State for External Affairs was Leader of the Opposition they both made the case that a Government of the day ought not to spend public money promoting a policy of the Government until it has been approved by the House of Commons and Parliament. Considering that was their position then, why does it not apply to the same Party when it forms the Government of Canada?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman may feel that the Minister did not answer the question yesterday. I believe he did. If he chooses not to believe that he did, that is fine.


John Edward Broadbent: Has Parliament approved the policy?


Erik Nielsen: It has been part of our longstanding tradition that, while the Ministry is required to respond, the nature of that response is not open to question by opposition Members.


John Edward Broadbent: I do not know what the Minister has been drinking or eating this morning.


Some Hon. Members:: Oh, oh!


Mr. Speaker:: No, no.


John Edward Broadbent: I mean coffee.


Mr. Speaker:: Order. The Hon. Member knows better. Just a question, please.


DEPICTION OF PROVINCES ON INFORMATION KIT MAP
John Edward Broadbent: I hope that my last question on this will get some answer. The outrageous map which is conveyed in the same kit depicts one province of Canada as part of the United States, and totally omits another province. Will the Government at least have the decency to show consideration for the Canadians directly affected in Atlantic Canada by at least withdrawing the kit and correcting the map before it is circulated?


Erik Nielsen: I will draw that representation to the attention of the Minister responsible, Sir. In the meantime I can inform the hon. gentleman that indeed I have been drinking this morning: four cups of coffee, two glasses of milk, and one glass of orange juice.


John Edward Broadbent: Then you ought to change.


THE ADMINISTRATION
Mr. Dave Dingwall (Cape Breton-East Richmond):: Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Deputy Prime Minister. Due to his desire to assist opposition Members of Parliament in their responsibilities, would he table in the House of Commons all agreements, loan guarantees or grants that the Government of Canada has concluded with Magna International or its subsidiaries? Would he also table in the House copies of the minutes of the meeting of the board of directors of the CDIC which discuss the subject matter and the terms of reference of the proposed sale of Canadair? Will he table that information?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman is a seasoned Member and knows that there are processes and forums which he should address in order to achieve the objectives which he wants to achieve in the House of Commons.


Ian Deans: This is one of them.


Erik Nielsen: The Estimates of the Ministry will be before committee and he can ask all the questions he wishes there. In any event, the detail which the hon. gentleman has outlined seems to be of a nature which would be more properly an Order Paper question.


Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray: You can answer that "yes" or "no".


DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER'S POSITION
David Charles Dingwall: Mr. Speaker, I respectfully suggest to the Deputy Prime Minister that his continual stonewalling and refusal to provide information to the House is leading Canadians to conclude that this is a cover-up. Will the Deputy Prime Minister explain why he refuses to give important information which may remove the cloud of doubt hanging over the head of the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion? Why does he refuse to give us that information, or is there a cover-up?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, any clouds that are around
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are in the mind of the hon. gentleman and those like him who have been asking this kind of question. As an experienced Member of the House he knows that he has available to him processes which he can employ in order to achieve the objectives which he states he desires.


CROWN CORPORATIONS
Mr. Mike Cassidy (Ottawa Centre):: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Deputy Prime Minister, in the absence of the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion.
Since the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion is a Member of the Cabinet Task Force on Privatization, is it the Government's intention that the Minister sit on this Committee when it will be considering the CDIC's recommendation for privatization of Canadair?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, I do not know what are the calendar commitments of the Minister. It seems to me that the question itself has considerable future dimension because the proposals by the five candidates, as we know them today, have to go through four different stages. As far as I am aware, they are not even through the stage of the CDIC board of directors.


REQUEST FOR MINISTER'S REMOVAL FROM CONSIDERATION OF PRIVATIZATION PROPOSALS
Michael Morris Cassidy: Mr. Speaker, whatever the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion knew last May, he now knows that his interests have received a very major financial benefit with the intervention of the Chairman of Magna International. Can the Deputy Prime Minister therefore explain to the House why that Minister has not been removed from all further consideration of the sale of Canadair? Mr. Stronach, the Chairman of Magna International, has been excluded from participating in meetings or receiving any information from the CDIC Board of which he is a member because of the fact his company is bidding for Canadair. Why the disparity?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman states a whole clutch of allegations as though they are absolute, beyond any shadow of a doubt, fact. I do not accept that clutch of allegations made by the hon. gentleman at all.


Michael Morris Cassidy: They are fact, Erik. You should know it by now.
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MINISTER OF REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL EXPANSION-COMPLIANCE WITH CODE OF CONDUCT
Mr. Don Boudria (Glengarry-Prescott-Russell):: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the same Minister. On April 30, 1986, in reply to my colleague from Humber-Port au Port-St. Barbe, the Minister said that the Code of Conduct for Ministers has been complied with by the Minister in question. I want to be absolutely clear what that means. Does it mean that from now on Ministers or their spouses are free to seek or obtain financial advantage from companies doing business with their respective Departments?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, the compliance which I have stated and restated over the last four days means exactly what it means and exactly what I said, and not the twist which the hon. gentleman wants to put on it.


REQUEST FOR PUBLIC DECLARATION
Don Boudria: Mr. Speaker, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion are now aware that the interest-free loan in question was provided. In view of that, will there be a public declaration under Section 35(1) of the conflict of interest guidelines which requires that Ministers are supposed to declare a direct or indirect benefit in excess of $200? Now that we know that, is there going to be such a declaration pursuant to the guidelines, yes or no?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman's statements and the premise in the hon. gentleman's question are false.


Don Boudria: They are not false. He knows. We talked about it in the House.


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please.


REQUEST FOR DISCLOSURE OF FAMILY'S DEALINGS WITH MAGNA INTERNATIONAL
Ian Deans: Mr. Speaker, my question is also directed to the same Minister. The conflict of interest guidelines say that public office holders have an obligation to act in a manner which will bear the closest public scrutiny, an obligation which is not fully discharged by simply acting within the law. Given that, why does the Deputy Prime Minister not require the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion to disclose all of the details regarding his family's dealings with Magna International or any of its principals?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, compliance with the Code of Conduct requires that the Minister divest himself of his assets and place those assets in a blind trust. There has been that compliance.


Brian Vincent Tobin: His wife is managing it.

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Erik Nielsen: The details of that trust are not public for obvious reasons. All of the arrangements made to establish the trust are public and available for inspection by the hon. gentleman and any other member of the public who chooses to inspect those records.


NATURE OF DEALINGS
Ian Deans: Mr. Speaker, would the Deputy Prime Minister consider the implications of the principle I read to him that public office holders have an obligation to act in a manner which will bear the closest public scrutiny, an obligation not fully discharged by simply acting within the law? Will he recognize that there is a serious cloud hanging over the Minister as a result of dealings with a corporation not at arm's length from his Ministry? Will he not now require that Minister to meet that particular principle and disclose to this House of Commons and the public the nature of the dealings between his family and Magna International?


Erik Nielsen: My answer must be the same, Mr. Speaker. The requirement and responsibility are to ensure that all Ministers of the Crown comply with the Code of Conduct tabled in this House September 9, 1985. That responsibility has been discharged. The Minister has complied with that Code of Conduct.


ORIGIN OF LOAN
Douglas Cockburn Frith: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the same Minister as well. Did he request the Assistant Deputy Registrar General to trace the $2.6 million interest-free sweetheart loan to the Minister's company to determine whether or not the money originated with Czapka's numbered company, Magna International, or the Hanil Banking Group of Korea?


Erik Nielsen: The Hon. Member is an experienced Member of this House. Indeed, he is a former Minister. He knows very well that that is not the responsibility of the ADRG. Not at all. He should know better than to put that kind of question.


PRIME MINISTER'S RESPONSIBILITY
Douglas Cockburn Frith: Mr. Speaker, the response is quite true but does the Minister not agree it is the responsibility of the Prime Minister, and I take it delegated to the Deputy Prime Minister, to ascertain those facts so the public can have more faith in our public officials?


Erik Nielsen: I do not propose to accept the allegations that the Hon. Member and his colleagues in the opposition Parties are throwing around with such abandon.


Sheila Maureen Copps: They are facts.


Erik Nielsen: The Hon. Member for Hamilton East says they are facts. She has her version of the facts, I have my version of the facts.


Some Hon. Members:: That's right!


Erik Nielsen: Normally they really are not facts until they appear on the front page of The Toronto Star or The Globe and Mail.


DISASTERS
Mr. Bill Blaikie (Winnipeg-Birds Hill):: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of National Health and Welfare. Can he bring the House up-to-date on any information pertaining to the accident in Ukraine which he has received subsequent to his statement of last night? Can he explain why the information contained in that statement is still not being made available on the hot line? If you call the hot line you are still referred to the embassies of the respective countries you may be inquiring about concerning the wisdom of travelling to them.


Hon. Jake Epp (Minister of National Health and Welfare):: Mr. Speaker, I will try to give the Member, the House and the country the full information I have. I say to the Hon. Member, and I know he is aware of this, that our information is coming in literally on the hour. We did an update last evening which indicates that Heads of Mission in Poland were to analyze the situation as to whether family members of mission personnel as well members of the Canadian community in Poland should withdraw from the country for the time being. That decision has been taken and that withdrawal is under way.
Regarding the hot line, I checked that again yesterday. The difficulty we are having with the information concerning whether or not people should travel is that we are getting it from the countries involved. We do not see danger in western Europe beyond the one I have mentioned. Further questioning would relate to Bucharest and Moscow.


CONDITIONS WITHIN 800-KILOMETRE RADIUS OF ACCIDENT
William Alexander (Bill) Blaikie: Mr. Speaker, I am wondering why at least the information in the statement with respect to the 800-kilometre radius is not available on the hot line. What steps is the Minister taking to lean on the travel insurance industry to get them to consider the situation in those countries within the 800-kilometre radius as a legitimate reason for people cancelling their travel plans without penalty?
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Arthur Jacob (Jake) Epp: Mr. Speaker, there is no question that if this Government is
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erring at all, we are erring on the side of safety. That is my obligation. I regret very seriously as a Health Minister that my attempts to convey to Canadians the best health information from the Soviet authorities have not been more fruitful. I think on a world-wide basis that feeling is generally being expressed. We are trying to give whatever information we have available.
What I cannot do is give more detail from countries such as Austria. We have had a lot of questions about Austria. Our information at the present time is that it is safe to travel there. The prudence we have been expressing has been related to the 500-mile radius, or the 800-kilometre radius, and specifically Poland and the two other centres I mentioned.


SAFETY OF VISITING CANADIANS AND LOCAL POPULATION OF KIEV
Andrew Witer: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of National Health and Welfare. In view of the secrecy and misrepresentations of the Soviet Government on the nuclear tragedy in Ukraine, what efforts are being made by our Government to inform visiting Canadians and the local population in the Kiev region of the seriousness of the situation? What assurances and updated information can the Minister give to Canadians with relatives in the region?


Arthur Jacob (Jake) Epp: Mr. Speaker, to the best of our knowledge the Canadian consul who arrived in Kiev yesterday was the only representative of a foreign Government who was allowed into the area up to that point in time. That has been because of a lot of Canadian effort. He was equipped with emergency credit cards and other authorizations to get any Canadians out of the area.
As I said yesterday, I am advising Canadians not to go into the area as visitors. As far as the local citizens are concerned we cannot do anything about that as it is under U.S.S.R. jurisdiction, but CBC International is conveying as much information as possible. Mr. Speaker, I thank you for your patience. I am meeting with the Ukrainian-Canadian Committee today at Winnipeg at approximately four o'clock to discuss further-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. I tried to grant you a little more latitude but it is time to go on.


THE ADMINISTRATION
Sheila Maureen Copps: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Deputy Prime Minister. I would like to ask the Deputy Prime Minister how he expects Canadians to believe that the Minister in question has put his interests and assets in a blind trust when a wholly-owned subsidiary of York
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Centre Corp., by the name of Highlands of King Investment Group, on a public document which we received today lists the mailing address of the wholly-owned subsidiary as one Sinclair M. Stevens, R.R. 3, King City, Ontario, Canada. How is that a blind trust in the Government's perception of what a blind trust is?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Member can make her allegations. What is required is compliance with the Code of Conduct by the Minister. That compliance has been had, and I have been saying that for the last four days.


NATURE OF BLIND TRUST
Sheila Maureen Copps: Mr. Speaker, the simple fact is nobody believes the Deputy Prime Minister.


Mr. Speaker:: Order, order! The Member's comment is out of order. Just a question, please.


Sheila Maureen Copps: Mr. Speaker, how can the Deputy Prime Minister expect Canadians to believe that the Minister in question has his assets in a blind trust when his wife is running one of his subsidiaries, his law firm is attached with their own offices and the telephone number is a number of other subsidiaries, and when, in fact, his own name is listed as the mailing address of one of his subsidiaries? How is that a blind trust?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, I feel I have an obligation to answer questions. I do not feel I have an obligation to respond to personal insults, either directed to me personally or to others in this House.


AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY
Howard Douglas McCurdy: Mr. Speaker, my question is intended for the Minister of Regional Industrial Expansion, but anyone on the government side who is not at Expo, and I am sure there must be somebody over there to whom the question can be addressed, can answer. The Government has on numerous occasions cited with some pride the fact that $1 billion worth of investment in Canadian plants has been made by Honda, Toyota, and Hyundai, in spite of the fact there are no value added or parts purchases commitments. Will the Deputy Prime Minister tell the House how much tooling and other capital equipment, which constitutes the majority of the investment that will be made, will be sourced in Canada?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, I cannot provide that information. It is obviously the kind of detail that might find a

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more appropriate response on the Order Paper, or await the return of the Minister who can respond in that kind of detail.


SOURCING OF CAPITAL EQUIPMENT AND TOOLING
Howard Douglas McCurdy: Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Deputy Prime Minister can confirm, and this does not require a complicated answer-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please.


Howard Douglas McCurdy: Will the Deputy Prime Minister confirm that virtually none of the capital equipment and none of the tooling will be sourced in Canada, that perhaps at a maximum $100 million of the billion dollars is going to be spent to the benefit of the Canadian tooling and capital equipment manufacturers?


Mr. Speaker:: Order. The Minister may want to reply, but it is difficult to find that supplementary to the first answer.


Hon. Andre Bissonnette (Minister of State (Small Businesses)):: Mr. Speaker, if I heard correctly the beginning of the first question and the second question which was related to it, I would say that Hyundai, in its negotiations with Quebec, always said that it intended to make as much of its purchases as possible in Canada. As for automobile parts, Hyundai maintained throughout the negotiations that it wanted to come as close as possible to the terms of the Auto Pact and to purchase as much as possible from Canadian suppliers. I have no reason to believe that Hyundai was not sincere and I have no doubt that it will keep to what it has already said publicly.


PUBLIC SERVICE
John Barry Turner: Mr. Speaker, in the absence of the President of the Treasury Board I direct my question to the Government House Leader. Myself and others in this House have been asking this for many months now, and since this week seems to be one for repetitive questions I ask on behalf of superannuates, RCMP and military retirees, when are they finally going to hear an announcement concerning indexation of their paid for pensions?


Ramon John Hnatyshyn: Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the opportunity of responding to the Hon. Member in the absence of the President of the Treasury Board who is on important government business today. I would like to advise the Member that there is progress being made between the President of the Treasury Board and the representatives of the people for whom he speaks and also with respect to public servants generally. The matter is before
Cabinet receiving attention, and I hope it will not be too long before some firm statement can be made by the President of the Treasury Board on behalf of the Government.


NATIONAL DEFENCE
Leonard Donald Hopkins: Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of National Defence. Can the Minister screw up enough courage and accuracy now-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, order, order. The Hon. Member has been around long enough to know that personal comments such as that are out of order.


Sheila Maureen Copps: It's okay to call somebody a character assassin though.


Mr. Speaker:: Order, order. Just a question, please.


Leonard Donald Hopkins: Can the Minister of National Defence tell us now in a very clear statement when he will be issuing the long, and many times promised, White Paper on national defence, or are all the broken promises of the Government causing them to smother in their own rhetoric and confusion?


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, I could be immodest enough to say to the hon. gentleman that if he wishes to view my credentials in the courage department, I would be glad to meet him any day on that score.
As to the date of the White Paper, that has not yet been set but is being worked upon.


CONTENT OF PROPOSED WHITE PAPER
Leonard Donald Hopkins: Mr. Speaker, we know it has been promised many times. If this elusive White Paper does finally come out, will it be one comprehensive document or will it be a series of papers crafted or designed to avoid embarassing issues for the Government such as commitments to real growth in the capital budget to which it has not been commited in realistic terms since it took office?


Mr. McDermid:: Wait for it.


Erik Nielsen: Mr. Speaker, I do not accept that at all. I would invite the hon. gentleman to compare the record of his own Party when it was in government for over 16 years and to view the wreckage which was strewn behind that Liberal Government over those years to the desperate point at which
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the Armed Forces find themselves today. The problem we have to cope with now is trying to put things back together again after the way in which the destroyers in the Hon. Member's Party left them after 16 years.


CANADA-UNITED STATES NEGOTIATIONS-JOB IMPACT STUDIES
James Ross Fulton: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Deputy Prime Minister. It concerns his Government's policy on free trade. Studies done in Quebec indicate 320,000 jobs are at risk. Studies done in Ontario indicate that 300,000 jobs are at risk. Would the Deputy Prime Minister explain the quotation from page 30 of the document released yesterday which states: "All studies confirm that Ontario will be the greatest net beneficiary" of free trade? Is that true, and is that the reason why the 84 studies will not be released to the public or to this House?


Mrs. Monique Landry (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister for International Trade):: Mr. Speaker, I wish to tell my colleague that, unfortunately, we cannot comment on studies if we did not get them and that, in any case, both the previous and present Quebec Governments have stated that the studies are incomplete.


REQUEST THAT STUDIES BE RELEASED
James Ross Fulton: Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is directed to the Deputy Prime Minister with respect to the 84 studies. Yesterday, Canada's Information Commissioner, Inger Hensen, said that there is no valid explanation in existence for the Government's delay in releasing those 1984 studies. Would the Deputy Prime Minister tell the House why, in relation to all the debate which has gone in this House, he and his Government will not release those 1984 studies? What are you hiding? And are you hiding it from the west, the north, or from some other part of the country?


Monique Landry: Mr. Speaker, the Minister for International Trade gave a very good answer to that question yesterday. He said that he and the Secretary of State for External Affairs were looking at the studies and would very shortly publish those which cannot jeopardize the position of Canada in future negotiations.
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ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
Mr. Allan Pietz (Welland):: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of the Environment. As the Minister knows, the E.S. Fox Company in my riding of Welland has developed a state-of-the-art-mobile waste disposal unit capable of destroying PCBs. This mobile unit will be in use very shortly, perhaps this weekend, at the Love Canal site in New York State.
Would the Minister tell the House what the possiblity is for authorized use of this unit in Canada, in particular for the pollution problem site in the Niagara River?


Hon. Tom McMillan (Minister of the Environment):: Mr. Speaker, the hon. gentleman is correct. The mobile unit in question with respect to PCBs is being put into use at the Love Canal site this summer, I believe, but on an experimental and pilot project basis. My own Department is co-operating very actively with all concerned in that connection.
The actual permissive authority as far as the possible use of this unit in Canada is concerned resides with the Ontario Government in connection with which public hearings undoubtedly would be required. My own Department would provide all the technical and expert back-up required.


FEDERAL-PROVINCIAL FISCAL ARRANGEMENTS HEALTH PAYMENTS TO PROVINCES-MINISTER'S POSITION
Mrs. Sheila Finestone (Mount Royal):: Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of State for Finance. Can the Minister tell us how the provinces are supposed to meet their commitments with regard to overflowing emergency rooms, beds for chronic patients, the care of senior citizens and the salaries of health care workers when they have to make up for a reduction in real terms of $8 billion in assistance from the Federal Government?


Hon. Barbara McDougall (Minister of State (Finance)):: Mr. Speaker, I believe this question comes in response to the Quebec Budget which was released last night. I would like to point out again to the House that the payments we are making to the provinces, including the Province of Quebec, for health care and post-secondary education, are continuing to increase at a faster rate than inflation.


STATEMENT MADE BY QUEBEC FINANCE MINISTER
Sheila Finestone: Mr. Speaker, I find that absolutely extraordinary. Does the Minister agree with

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the statement made by the Finance Minister of Quebec, that because the federal Government owes the province of Quebec $148 million, the province of Quebec is obliged to resort to taxation to compensate for the shortfall resulting from federal cut-backs? Does the Minister agree with that? And will she meet her commitment and promise, and pay Quebec what she owes it?


Barbara Jean McDougall: Mr. Speaker, I think the statement-


Arthur Jacob (Jake) Epp: It was your formula.


Sheila Finestone: No, no, you broke it. Come on.


An Hon. Member:: Did you finish your question?


Sheila Finestone: He didn't keep his word. More broken promises.


Mr. Speaker:: Order.


Barbara Jean McDougall: I think the statement made last night by the Minister of Finance for Quebec reflects some misunderstanding of the formula which was arrived at last year. All the provinces are treated equally and Quebec received half the equalization payment. But because the Quebec economy is doing so much better, the percentage does not work out quite the way it did in the first place. But Quebec is also doing well under the policies of this Government.


DISASTERS
Mr. Les Benjamin (Regina West):: Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of National Health and Welfare. Yesterday the Minister said in response to my question: "At the present time there is not a health risk for travellers to Poland in terms of radiation effects from the nuclear disaster in the U.S.S.R." This morning The Ottawa Citizen announced a joint statement by the Minister of State for External Affairs and the Minister of National Health and Welfare withdrawing diplomatic staff and families because of the continuing uncertainty of the dangers remaining downwind-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. Is there a question?


Leslie Gordon Benjamin: Will the Minister of National Health and Welfare clarify just what is the situation with regard to travelling Canadians? Will he see to it that the same efforts which are being made on behalf of families of diplomatic staffs made regarding Canadian travellers to Poland?


Arthur Jacob (Jake) Epp: Mr. Speaker, I have said in the House, and in fact the critic for the Hon. Member's own Party has said the same thing, that if we could get more up-to-date on site information it would be very helpful. I did an update last night along with the Secretary of State for External Affairs. I can say to the Hon. Member this morning, as I did last night, that not only are we moving out families, we are contacting the Canadian community in Poland. From a point of view of prudence, we are advising Canadians not to travel to Poland at this time. That is the point we have been making since last night. What the Hon. Member is asking me is somehow at this time to be able to get I AT A or international airlines also to refund money-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. Supplementary question.


TRAVELLERS' AIRFARE COSTS
Leslie Gordon Benjamin: Mr. Speaker, may I ask the Minister if he will arrange that the powers of the Government be used, since I gave people travelling on a flight to Warsaw today the Minister's advice of yesterday, and see to it that when those people have to return and are penalized with extra airfare that they obtain refunds or are allowed cancellation insurance?


Arthur Jacob (Jake) Epp: Mr. Speaker, along with the Secretary of State for External Affairs, and I am sure the Minister of Transport, we will take whatever steps we can to protect Canadian travellers. I regret that that information has to be updated, which is what we are doing. As I have told the Hon. Member, we are doing it on the basis of the conditions and the information that we are receiving. Some airlines have, in fact, offered refunds. I cannot state today whether all airlines are doing the same thing.


POINT OF ORDER
Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray: Mr. Speaker, copies of yesterday's Hansard were delivered to Hon. Members in their seats in the House rather than being distributed at the usual time, which is early in the morning, to their offices. With Hansard turning up at about 11.50 a.m. it is very difficult for Members to prepare properly for Question Period and to prepare generally for debate. I ask you, Mr. Speaker, to take steps to see that this is not repeated.


Mr. Speaker:: I sympathize with the Hon. Member's concerns. We had a glitch this morning. I am trying to ensure that it does not happen again.

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EQUALITY RIGHTS
[Stage Direction]
On the Order: Private Members' Business
March 3, 1986-Mr. Robinson-That, in the opinion of this House, the Government should implement the recommendations of the sub-committee on Equality Rights of the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs:
(1)	That all trades and occupations in the Canadian Armed Forces be open to women.
(2)	That Canadian Armed Forces practices relating to the employment and promotion of women be monitored by the Canadian Human Rights Commission and that progress in revising policies in the manner we recommend be evaluated by the Commission at regular intervals.
Mr. Doug Lewis (Parliamentary Secretary to President of the Privy Council):: Mr. Speaker, there have been discussions between the Parties. I think that if Your Honour were to put the following draft order to the House you would find that it would be unanimously accepted. I have provided copies to the other two Parties and I have a copy for the table. It states:
That, notwithstanding any Standing or Special Order of this House, the item listed as number one on the Order of Precedence of Private Members' Business in today's Order Paper and Notices shall be placed at the bottom of the said Order of Precedence for the next sitting day; and
Provided that the House shall continue with the business before it at 4.00 o'clock p.m. this day until the ordinary daily hour of adjournment.


Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray: Mr. Speaker, this proposed order represents the results of consultations between the House Leaders. We are prepared to agree to it.


Mr. Speaker:: Is it agreed?


Some Hon. Members:: Agreed.



ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS


Mr. Vince Dantzer (Okanagan North):: Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 99, I have the honour to present the seventh report of the Standing Committee on Transport. The report deals exhaustively with the Canadian National Railway pension system and specifically answers, in detail, certain fears and certain complaints of many pensioners of the CNR system. It also makes recommendations for future administrations of the fund.


ENERGY, MINES AND RESOURCES-PRESENTATION OF REVISED FIRST REPORT
Mrs. Barbara Sparrow (Calgary South):: Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 99, I have the honour to present the revised first report of the Standing Committee on Energy, Mines and Resources.
[Editor's Note: See today's Votes and Proceedings]
Order Paper Questions PETITIONS


ASSESSMENT OF CN MAINTENANCE FACILITIES-MONCTON SHOPS
Mr. Dennis H. Cochrane (Moncton):: Mr. Speaker, you will be pleased to note that this is the twenty-first time I have been up, and the last, on petitions relating to the CN shops in Moncton. Once again this petition points out to Members of the House of Commons the fears which exist in our community with regard to the assessment currently being conducted by Canadian National. The petitioners are asking Members of Parliament to pay attention to the situation and to attempt to prevent in any way any downgrading of these facilities, which would have a drastic effect on the employment picture in southeastern New Brunswick.


REINSTATEMENT OF UI BENEFITS
Mr. Albert Girard (Restigouche):: Mr. Speaker, I have a petition to present signed by citizens of Restigouche. They state in their petition that the Unemployment Insurance Commission is saying that Mr. James Bertin of R.R. 1, Nash Creek, New Brunswick, is not eligible for UI benefits due to the fact that he received vacation pay and severance pay. The petitioners humbly pray and call upon Parliament to have Mr. Bertin's UI benefits reinstated beginning with a two-week waiting period after March 11, 1986.


PRICE OF GASOLINE
Mr. Brian White (Dauphin-Swan River):: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present a petition signed by 89 residents of the federal riding of Portage-Marquette. The citizens express their concern about federal taxes applied to gasoline. They ask that Parliament consider withdrawing all of these taxes and call a First Ministers' Conference to discuss methods by which provinces could also reduce their taxation levels.


QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER
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(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)
Philip Derek Lewis: Mr. Speaker, the following question will be answered today: No. 490.


Mr. Penner: 1.	To date, was money allocated by the Treasury Board for the proposed National Conference/Trade Show on Native Business and Economic Development and, if so (a) what amount (b) from which departments and/or programs (c) what amount has been expended?

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2.	What contribution agreements have been signed to date and (a) with whom (b) what was their value, in each case?
3.	What contracts were signed and (a) with whom (6) what was their value, in each case?
4.	What amount was received to date, for activities related to the proposed Conference by (a) Argyle Productions (b) Seneca Communications Inc. (c) Onchiota Corporation?
made an order for return, the return would be tabled immediately.


Mr. Speaker:: The questions enumerated by the Hon. Parliamentary Secretary have been answered. Is it the pleasure of the House that question No. 491 be deemed to have been made an order for return?


Hon. David Crombie (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development):: 1. Yes, in the form of grants and contributions to the sponsoring organization.
(a)	The federal government's financing ceiling for such grants and contributions is $2 million.
(b) DIAND:	$1.5 (committed)
Other federal departments	.5 (proposed)
Total	$2 million
(c)	$120,000
2.	One. (a) Native Business Summit Foundation of Canada, (b) $120,000.


Some Hon. Members:: Agreed.


Mr. Penner: 1.	On what date was the Native Business Summit Foundation of Canada established and what is its (a) budget (6) role and function?
2.	Is the government funding the Foundation and, if so, in what amounts and from which department(s) and program(s)?
3.	Who is on the Board of Directors of the Foundation?
4.	Who is on the Executive Committee of the Foundation and are there any ex-officio members on the Committee and, is so, who are they?
Return tabled.


Philip Derek Lewis: I ask, Mr. Speaker, that the remaining questions be allowed to stand.
3. Three contracts
(A)	(B)
Argyll Business Consultants	65,000
Onchiota Corporation	65,000
Seneca Communications	65,000
Amounts received:		From the
	By	Native
	Contract	Business
	with	Summit
	DIAND	Foundation
(a) Argyll	65,000	23,000(b) Seneca	65,000	15,000(c) Onchiota	65,000	15,000


Philip Derek Lewis: Mr. Speaker, if Question No. 491 could be


Mr. Speaker:: Shall the remaining questions stand?


Some Hon. Members:: Agreed.