1984-11-05

OFFICIAL REPORT

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FIRST SESSION-THIRTY-THIRD PARLIAMENT 33 Elizabeth II

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Published under authority of the Speaker of the House of Commons by the Queen's Printer for Canada
Available from Canadian Government Publishing Centre, Supply and Services Canada, Ottawa, Canada K1A 0S9.
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Monday, November 5, 1984

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The Thirty-second Parliament having been dissolved by proclamation on Monday, July 9, 1984, and writs having been issued and returned, a new Parliament was summoned to meet for the dispatch of business on Monday, November 5, 1984, and did accordingly meet on that day.
This being the day on which Parliament is convoked by proclamation of Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada for the dispatch of business, and the Members of the House being assembled:
Dr. Charles B. Koester, Esquire, Clerk of the House of Commons, read to the House a letter from the Administrative Secretary to the Governor General informing him that the Honourable Jean Beetz, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, would proceed to the Senate Chamber to open the first session of the Thirty-third Parliament of Canada on Monday, the fifth day of November, at eleven o'clock a.m.
A message was delivered by Claude Lajoie, Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, as follows:
Members of the House of Commons:
It is the desire of the Honourable the Deputy to Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada that this honourable House attend him immediately in the Chamber of the honourable the Senate.
Accordingly, the House went up to the Senate Chamber, where the Speaker of the Senate said:
Honourable Members of the Senate,
Members of the House of Commons:
I have it in command to let you know that Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada does not see fit to declare the causes of her summoning the present Parliament of Canada until a Speaker of the House of Commons shall have been chosen, according to law; but this afternoon at the hour of three o'clock p.m. Her Excellency will declare the causes of her calling Parliament.

Right Hon. Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister):: Mr. Speaker, today, we are convoking a new Parliament, a new assembly
of the Canadian people. Many Members of this Parliament have never sat in the House of Commons before, including many of those sitting on the Government side, and it is indeed important for an institution like Parliament to be revitalized through the democratic process.

At a moment like this it is useful to recall the words of a great parliamentarian, Edmund Burke. He said:
Parliament is not a congress of ambassadors from different and hostile interests ... But Parliament is a deliberative assembly with one interest, that of the whole-
These words we should imprint in our minds as we gather to elect a Speaker to preside over our deliberations and act as the custodian of the rights of all Members.
The role of Speaker is the noblest centrepiece of our democratic system. Going back as far as Sir Thomas Hungerford under Edward III, the Speaker of the House of Commons has been the guarantor of Parliament's privileges and the curator of Parliament's traditions.
The House functions effectively to the degree and to the extent that the Speaker understands and applies his role as an absolutely impartial arbitrator. He is not the servant of the Government or the servant of special interests but the servant of the House. He must be impeccably fair and unfailingly conscious of the duties and the rights of the individual Member.
The words of Speaker Lenthall to Charles I have echoed magnificently down the corridors of time:
I have only eyes to see and ears to hear as the House may direct.
Never has there been, in my judgment, a truer or more accurate formulation of the Speaker's function.
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The Speaker represents the House in its entirety. He presides over its proceedings and interprets its procedures. He directs the work of its Members according to rules dictated by custom, tradition and dignity. The Speaker must often draw on his personal qualities and skills. He must have a thorough knowledge of the role and procedure of the House of Commons. He must be able to interpret the intentions of its Members. He must be able to adapt to the circumstances and at all times have a clear perception of the atmosphere and spirit appropriate to the House. Finally, he must be able to preside over the debates in both official languages of Confederation.

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It is not absolutely necessary that he be newly married-


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Martin Brian Mulroney: -or that his wife be bilingual, as is the case with the present nominee for this exalted position. This is simply an added bonus in the case of the Hon. Member for Don Valley West.
I am happy to report to the House that we have managed to find in his person an individual possessing to the highest degree all the qualities necessary for this vital position in our parliamentary structure.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Martin Brian Mulroney: He is tactful. He is informed of the rules and procedures of the House. He possesses in full-and of this there can be no doubt-the integrity and ability required for this vital role.
I am also happy that this is the view of the Right Hon. Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Turner) and the view, as well, of the Leader of the New Democratic Party (Mr. Broadbent) who may have some comments in regard to the procedure which perhaps are different and-who knows-perhaps for a better procedure for the selection of Speakers in the future. However, we all agree that the Hon. Member for Don Valley West possesses all the high qualities required for this vital job.
The Hon. Member for Don Valley West came to the House in 1979 and almost immediately became conspicuous for the energy which he directed to his parliamentary duties. He developed a deep respect for this House, a love of its traditions, an understanding of its procedures and an admiration for all those who strive so mightily to become its Members. He combines these qualities with a sense of history and a sense of humour. Neither shall be a burden to him here.

I therefore have the privilege to move the nomination of the Hon. Member for Don Valley West (Mr. Bosley) as Speaker of the House of Commons.

I am therefore privileged to propose the Hon. Member for Don Valley West as Speaker of the House of Commons.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Right Hon. John N. Turner (Leader of the Opposition):: Dr.
Koester, first may I say what a great privilege and honour it is to have been elected once again to this House of Commons. I want to thank the people of Vancouver Quadra who did me this honour and to assure them that I will do my utmost in turn to merit their confidence and their trust.
I am very pleased to rise in my place today to second the nomination of the Right Hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Mulroney) of Mr. John Bosley as Speaker of this House. I might say, had circumstances been different, I would have preferred to move
the motion than to second it. However, I understand what the people of Canada have said and accept that fully.
I am also very happy to see Mr. Stanley Knowles sitting at the Table.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


John Napier Turner: He sits as an honorary Member of this House. No doubt his wisdom and experience will be of immense assistance to the new Speaker particularly, and to all of us in this Chamber.
Without in any way derogating from the choice which I second today, it might be well for future Parliaments to consider what the unanimous report of the Special Committee on Standing Orders and Procedure recommended in the last Parliament, namely, the adoption of a new Standing Order which would provide for the election of the Speaker by secret ballot by all Members of the House. That will be something for a future Parliament to consider. As I have said, that in no way derogates from our approval of the particular choice this morning.
Perhaps it is also appropriate on this Guy Fawkes Day, as we open Parliament and elect a Speaker, that we remember that democratic institutions have sometimes been under attack, the Mother of Parliaments, to a lesser extent in this country than in other parts of the free world. Recent events indicate to us what a precious and fragile thing democracy is. The Speaker represents this Commons as the embodiment of the will of the people. Protecting the rights and privileges of this House will be Mr. Bosley's primary concern and, more important, defending the rights and privileges of its Members.
It is particularly important in this Parliament, with the large majority on the Government side-and I might say surrounding us-that the Speaker exercise special care and vigilance in the protection of the rights of Hon. Members and, might I say, the traditional rights of Her Majesty's Loyal and Official Opposition.

In this Parliament, where the Government has a considerable majority, it is particularly important that the Speaker should exercise special vigilance in protecting the rights of Members forming the Official Opposition in this House.
From this point forward, Mr. Bosley must abandon all partisan loyalties and render decisions which are free of any hint of partisanship or bias. As Beauchesne says, confidence in the impartiality of the Speaker is an indispensable condition of the successful working of procedure. He must be fair and impartial in all his rulings, and above all he must be independent.
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Like the Government Members, we in the Opposition also have our rights and duties. We shall observe the traditional role of the Official Opposition, and we are counting on the assistance and co-operation of the Speaker to help preserve this tradition.
I am sure that Mr. Bosley is fully aware of the tremendous responsibility he has taken on, and I can give him the assurance that the Liberal Members of this House join me in supporting his nomination.
We are looking forward to working together in the spirit of co-operation and conciliation, that is so essential to the functioning of this House.

On a more personal note, to echo the words of the Prime Minister, I am sure that all Members join with me in offering Mr. Bosley our congratulations on his recent marriage.

Allow me, Mr. Bosley, to express the hope that the harmony you will bring to the proceedings of this House will reflect the personal harmony you will enjoy in your married life.

I am pleased, therefore, to second the nomination by the Right Hon. Prime Minister of the Member for Don Valley West, Mr. John Bosley, as Speaker of this Thirty-third Parliament of Canada.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Hon. Edward Broadbent (Oshawa):: I would like to preface my comments on this motion by noting the new degree of civility that has entered the House with the Leaders of all Parties being given the appropriate due respect, not only by Members in Opposition Parties but by Members of their own caucus, and I am sure 1 speak for all three Leaders when I say we hope this tradition continues!
1 want, Dr. Koester, to say in speaking to this motion that my colleagues and myself most heartily endorse the personal selection of the Member for Don Valley West. He demonstrated during his experience in this House all of those qualities that I am sure will make him a truly admirable Speaker of the House, a bilingual person of real intelligence and capacity to work. I am sure we will see in the days ahead a man with a fine sense of justice.
It is appropriate to add my compliments and congratulations on his recent marriage. I am sure that new experience will constitute an element in his life that will enrich his judgments in this Chamber as well. As the whole House knows, the Speaker has a residence in this place.

As I explained before, we would like to be able to choose the Speaker of the House. 1 would also be in favour of a different procedure. In the past, a Committee of this House did suggest another method for selecting the Speaker. The Leader of the Opposition has indicated that his Party would support a change of this kind, and I just want to say that in future, we in
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our Party would like to be able to choose the Speaker and to do so according to a similar procedure.

For the moment, as I said, we have selected a man who will have the confidence of my colleagues, a man who I dare say could have been selected if we had used that other process.
I compliment the Prime Minister (Mr. Mulroney) on his recommendation and the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Turner) for seconding the motion. I conclude by simply saying that it is a traditional route of selecting a Speaker, and a Prime Minister who is both a Conservative and who quotes Edmund Burke perhaps could not have been expected at the commencement of this period in office to have selected a different route.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!

The Clerk of the House declared the motion carried in the affirmative and John William Bosley, Esquire, Member for the electoral district of Don Valley West, duly elected to the Chair of the House.
Mr. Bosley was conducted from his seat in the House to the Speaker's Chair by the Right Hon. Brian Mulroney and the Right Hon. John N. Turner.


Mr. Speaker:: Hon. Members, I beg to return my humble acknowledgements to the House for the honour which it has been pleased to confer upon me by choosing me to be your Speaker.

Hon. Members, I beg to return my humble acknowledgements to the House for the great honour you have been pleased to confer on me by choosing me to be your Speaker.
Traditionally, these are the first words uttered by a newly elected Speaker. For my part, I mean them most sincerely and ask you to accept them as a signal of my deep respect for the traditions of this office and for the customs of this place.
Speakers-elect have also usually tried to express their feelings of inadequacy. Standing here as the bearer of an historic office which has endured unbroken for over 600 years, I understand and share those feelings. Let me thank, if I may, the Right Hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Mulroney), the Right Hon. Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Turner) and the Leader of the New Democratic Party (Mr. Broadbent) for their kind and far too flattering words. Perhaps the Leader of the New Democratic Party will permit me to repeat an old phrase: "Never explain".


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Mr. Speaker:: No greater honour can be conferred upon one of us than to be chosen by one's peers to be their presiding

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officer. Over the years, great parliamentarians have ennobled this office substantially. The prescription given by Speaker Yelverton in 1597 during the reign of Elibabeth I is clearly no longer adequate:
Your Speaker ought to be a man big and comely, stately and well-spoken; his voice great, his carriage majestical, his nature haughty, and his purse plentiful.
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In addition to the responsibility for presiding over the debates, the Speaker is also the the guardian of the privileges of the House and its Members. He is responsible for interpreting the Standing Orders and parliamentary procedure, and from time to time acts as arbitrator or judge.
He also represents the House in its external relations, but first and foremost, he is the servant of the House and is elected by its Members. This is a practice that has remained unchanged since Confederation. The House may, however, change the Standing Orders or parliamentary procedure as it sees fit.

I am very conscious as I stand here that it is not easy to be a good Speaker and that the responsibilities will call for all of the strength and abilities 1 may possess.

Although Speakers of the House of Commons are necessarily politicians, all Hon. Members may rest assured that I shall be the Speaker of the whole House and defend the rights and privileges of all its Members. I shall try to be always impartial, independent and fair in my decisions.

The first and best definition of the supreme duty of a Speaker comes to us, in the words used by the Prime Minister, from Speaker William Lenthall. Let me tell you the story because it is illustrative. In 1642, King Charles I broke all constitutional accords and entered the House of Commons with an armed escort seeking five Members of the House whom he claimed were guilty of treason. Not finding them, the King demanded of Speaker Lenthall that he tell the King where those Members were. Speaker Lenthall, risking everything including his head, quietly spoke the words from which we date the true independence of this office and of this place:
May it please Your Majesty, I have neither eyes to see nor tongue to speak in this place, but as the House is pleased to direct me, whose servant I am here.
He survived.

I shall need the support of all my colleagues and will have to work constantly to obtain and preserve the trust of the House. Without that support and without that trust, no Speaker can perform his duty successfully. I do not claim to have mastered the intricacies of parliamentary procedure. I can assure the House that I have already started to study the matter, although I am sure Hon. Members will understand why the casting vote, for instance, is not one of my priorities.

Regarding procedure, let me say that we are all most fortunate to have the services of Dr. Koester and his colleagues. I am especially grateful to have the wise counsel of the Hon. Stanley Knowles.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Mr. Speaker:: They have already demonstrated to me their wisdom and knowledge and I have been deeply impressed by them.
I know I can expect more from them than was offered to a British Speaker who occupied the chair many years ago. He told the story of how, having been newly elected, he faced a difficult situation in the House and sent a note to the Clerk asking "What do I do now?" The Clerk sent back a note which read: "If I were you, I should proceed with caution!"


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Mr. Speaker:: Finally, if I may be permitted one or two personal notes, I would like personally to welcome back all of the re-elected Members and welcome all of the newly elected Members. I hope we will all get to know each other well. I would like to express my sincere gratitude to my family and my friends, some of whom are here today, and to my electors for their support and counsel, for this is a time of great change for me.
As deeply grateful as I am for this honour done me today, you will understand that I am even more grateful and blessed that an extraordinary, wonderful and gentle woman did me an even greater honour just a few days ago.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Mr. Speaker:: Those of you who know my wife know she very much makes her own decisions. I think I can say, however, that in choosing this inadequate person to be your Speaker, Hon. Members can take some comfort from the thought that what you see may not be all you get.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Mr. Speaker:: From the bottom of my heart, thank you.


SITTING SUSPENDED
Martin Brian Mulroney: Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that the sitting be suspended until three o'clock this afternoon.


Mr. Speaker:: The House has heard the suggestion of the Right Hon. the Prime Minister (Mr. Mulroney). Is it agreed?


Some Hon. Members:: Agreed.


Mr. Speaker:: This sitting stands suspended until three o'clock p.m. this day.
At 12 noon the sitting was suspended.
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SITTING RESUMED
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The House resumed at 3 p.m.

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Mr. Speaker read a communication from the Governor General's Secretary announcing that Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada would proceed to the Senate Chamber at three o'clock on this day for the purpose of formally opening the session of the Dominion Parliament.
A message was delivered by Claude Lajoie, Esq., Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, as follows:
Mr. Speaker, it is the pleasure of Her Excellency the Governor General, that this honourable House attend her immediately in the Chamber of the honourable the Senate.
Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went up to the Senate Chamber. Then the Hon. John Bosley, Speaker of the House of Commons, said:
May it please Your Excellency,
The House of Commons have elected me their Speaker, though I am but little able to fulfil the important duties thus assigned to me.
If in the performance of those duties I should at any time fall into error, I pray that the fault may be imputed to me, and not to the Commons, whose servant I am, and who, through me, the better to enable them to discharge their duty to their Queen and country, humbly claim all their undoubted rights and privileges, especially that they may have freedom of speech in their debates, access to your Excellency's person at all seasonable times, and that their proceedings may receive from Your Excellency the most favourable construction.
The Honourable the Speaker of the Senate, addressing the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons, then said:
Mr. Speaker, I am commanded by Her Excellency the Governor General to declare to you that she freely confides in the duty and attachment of the House of Commons to Her Majesty's person and Government, and not doubting that their proceedings will be conducted with wisdom, temper and prudence, she grants and upon all occasions will recognize and allow their constitutional privileges.
I am commanded also to assure you that the Commons shall have ready access to Her Excellency upon all seasonable occasions, and that their proceedings, as well as your words and actions, will constantly receive from her the most favourable construction.
Then Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada was pleased to open Parliament by a Speech from the Throne.
And the House being returned to the Commons Chamber:
Mr. Speaker:: I have the honour to report that, the House having attended on Her Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, I informed Her Excellency that the choice of Speaker had fallen upon me and, in your names and on your behalf, I made the usual claim for your privileges which Her Excellency was pleased to confirm to you.


OATHS OF OFFICE
Martin Brian Mulroney: for leave to introduce Bill C-l respecting the administration of oaths of office.
Speech from the Throne


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Motion agreed to, Bill read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Mr. Speaker:: I have the honour to inform the House that when this House did attend Her Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, Her Excellency was pleased to make a speech to both Houses of Parliament. To prevent mistakes I have obtained a copy which is as follows:
Honourable Members of the Senate,
Members of the House of Commons:
It is with great pride and pleasure that I welcome you, in my capacity as the Canadian representative of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, to this, the First Session of the thirty-third Parliament of Canada.
Canadians rejoiced this year in the visit of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip to the bicentennial celebrations in New Brunswick and Ontario, and to several communities in Manitoba. For Canadians the Monarchy is a precious link to the centuries of history and tradition that form our parliamentary democracy. The Crown symbolizes our democratic values, and helps safeguard the freedom and liberty that are the foundation of our system. The Queen as Head of the Commonwealth personifies the common bond of that association of nations and its ideals. An example to all who would serve, hers is a life consecrated to service.
Earlier this fall Canadians from coast to coast had the unique privilege of greeting His Holiness Pope John Paul II. The welcome accorded His Holiness expressed our respect and esteem. It also reflected the spirit of fraternity and generosity that exists in a Canadian society of diverse races and creeds. Pope John Paul's visit has helped Canadians to see anew that the enhancement of justice and peace can be a reality at home, and must be our vocation in the world. For this, and for his moral and spiritual leadership, Canadians express their heartfelt appreciation.
In these first months of my tenure as Governor General, I, too, have been afforded the wonderful opportunity to travel to the various regions of this beautiful land. The warmth and enthusiasm of the reception I have received from Canadians in Quebec, New Brunswick, and most recently in my home province of Saskatchewan, has touched me deeply, and I look forward with great anticipation to completing my tour of the provinces and territories. It becomes increasingly clear with each passing day that the confidence I hold in the strength, character and goodness of Canadians is well-founded and that we are indeed a rich and privileged nation.
Canadians take pride in the participation of the first Canadian astronaut. Commander Marc Garneau, in the Challenger space shuttle program. His voyage is the latest, and most exciting, of recent Canadian contributions to the conquest of space. We welcome the opportunity to cooperate with the United States in their space program. As a result, Canadians are playing a part in achieving the great benefits to humanity that space exploration can make possible.
In July, all Canadians rejoiced in the brilliant performance of our athletes at the Summer Olympic Games in Los Angeles. My government salutes the hard work and dedication of our athletes, coaches and officials. Their excellence serves as a model of national achievement for all Canadians.
Reconciliation and National Unity
This is the inauguration of a new Parliament. Let it be also the beginning of a new era of national reconciliation, economic renewal and social justice. In this spirit, my Ministers will honour the mandate entrusted to them by the people of Canada.
While there are no easy solutions to the great problems facing our country, there is a new will among Canadians to make a fresh start in the search for answers. For the first time in many years all regions of the country are represented in a national government. The mandate received by my Ministers is a magnificent opportunity to build a renewed national consensus.

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First, you must critically examine the relationship of Parliament with the people of Canada. Members of the House of Commons will be asked to approve the appointment of a parliamentary task force on reform of that House. The central focus of this task force will be the enhancement of the role of the private member. From that perspective the task force will examine and make recommendations concerning the powers, practices, organization and resources of the Commons.
Second, the massive undertaking that is the government of Canada must be made to respond to the individual citizen, wherever and however it touches him or her. A committee of Ministers headed by the Deputy Prime Minister has begun a review of all government programs. The objective is to reform and simplify the operations of government. From the citizen's standpoint, government will be made more understandable, more accessible, and more sensitive.
The taxation system will be made simpler and fairer and more accountable to the people's representatives in Parliament. The rights of taxpayers must be protected. In particular, legislation will be presented to ensure that no taxpayer has to pay taxes in dispute before an impartial hearing has been concluded.
Thirdly, a priority goal of my Ministers will be to breathe a new spirit into federalism and restore the faith and trust of all Canadians in the effectiveness of our system of government.
A constant process of consultation and cooperation must be restored. My Ministers are regularly meeting their provincial colleagues to eliminate irritants and to improve services to people where the federal and provincial governments have joint responsibilities.
My government's management of federal-provincial relations will pursue three basic objectives: to harmonize policies of our two orders of government, to ensure respect for their jurisdictions, and to end unnecessary and costly duplication.
National unity also demands that the two levels of government cooperate in supporting official language minorities and in fostering the rich multicultural character of Canada. My government is committed to ensuring that the equality of the two official languages-so vital to our national character and identity-is respected in fact as it is in law. My Ministers acknowledge the need for ongoing improvements and for vigilance in this indispensable area of our national life.
The reality of Canada is one of distinct regional identities, each rooted in many generations of history; of diverse cultures; of regional economic strengths: a country of many parts whose people share a profound attachment to one Canada.
My Ministers are determined to achieve a national consensus which will reflect that reality. A national consensus is also needed to reduce the persistent isolation of Canada's regions, to meet the challenges of economic and social disparity, to revitalize the strength of our traditional resource industries, such as agriculture, forestry, mining, the fishery and tourism, and to ensure that our critical transportation and communication links better serve the national purpose.
Ultimately such a new consensus must be reflected in the fundamental law of our land, for it is obvious that the constitutional agreement is incomplete so long as Quebec is not part of an accord. While their principal obligations are to achieve economic renewal, my Ministers will work to create the conditions that will make possible the achievement of this essential accord. In this work, the cooperation of all partners in Confederation will be necessary.
Their generous cooperation is also needed to honour the commitment to Canada's aboriginal peoples contained in the Constitution Act of 1982. For these peoples, as for all Canadians, the high expectations that attended the act of patriation must not be disappointed.
Reconciliation and Economic Consensus Building
Nowhere is the need for national reconciliation more urgent that in Canada's economic life. Our repeated failure in recent years to achieve our economic potential cries out for correction by a truly sustained, co-operative and national effort. First Ministers will meet next week to discuss the agenda for a First Ministers' Conference on the Economy. My government will soon announce the date of a national Economic Summit to bring together important groups in our economy.
Thus are my Ministers embarked on the long, complex and painstaking road of building a national economic consensus. The national Economic Summit will not be the culmination of this process, but its beginning. At the table will be representatives of groups such as consumers, women, native peoples, business,
labour and government. Their goal is to establish a new and productive climate and context for economic decision-making in Canada.
In this regard, there can be no doubt of the importance or legitimacy of the trade union movement in Canada, or of the desirability of both management and labour playing a critical role in the consultative process through which the new national agenda is established.
Discussion of certain economic priorities, an understanding of the respective roles of the principal economic partners, a commitment to some immediate courses of action: such an outcome would make the Economic Summit a success.
Future summits could address in more detail issues such as the enhancement of productivity, and the responsibilities of industry, labour and government in training and technology. Over time, mutual confidence and a sense of shared responsibility for our national economy must lead to consensus on even more basic issues: how to share the benefits of economic growth, how to share the burdens of economic adjustment, how to preserve the integrity of our unique natural environment, and how to ensure that the ideal of social justice is pursued through programs that meet contemporary needs and circumstances.
In the absence of a national consensus, economic under-achievement would be Canada's misfortune for many years to come. The process of consensus-building will engage the private sector partners in consultation and cooperation on economic goals. In such a context, government would act as guide, mediator and catalyst, becoming less intrusive in the private sector but vigilant over the integrity of the national economy and of national standards.
Economic Renewal: A Three Part Strategy
The process of consensus building will take time. Meanwhile there are some important initial steps that the federal government can take to help generate economic renewal. The three-part strategy of my Ministers is to restore fiscal responsibility, remove obstacles to growth, and encourage new investment.
Later this week the Minister of Finance will describe in detail the state of the economy and of federal public finances. He will announce a plan designed to reduce the deficit in an orderly, balanced and fair manner, and to control the growing burden of the public debt.
That we must deal urgently with the deficit is beyond dispute. If allowed to continue to grow out of control, it will consume our available financial resources, undermine our capacity to respond to new opportunities, put increased pressure on interest rates, and inhibit investment and growth in our economy.
Second, my government will pursue approaches to improve the efficiency and flexibility of our capital markets; to improve job opportunities for Canadians through responsive market-oriented training programs; and to increase investments in research and development to improve our productivity. Proposals will be placed before you to improve the market environment by changes in competition laws and the regulatory framework of the financial services industry.
Third, my government will introduce for consideration during this session proposals to enhance risk taking, innovation and reward among entrepreneurs, especially in the small and medium-sized business sector.
Initiative will be taken to stimulate both domestic and foreign investment. My government is determined to regain Canada's reputation as a reliable and profitable place to do business.
This three-part strategy is aimed at renewing economic growth in order to provide the jobs our people need and to address the continuing tragedy of youth unemployment. My government views unemployment as Canada's most debilitating problem and most critical national challenge. For this reason the need to stimulate job-creating investment is urgent. My Ministers will be taking action to address these compelling issues.
My government recognizes that measures to improve and expand skill training and retraining are essential elements of a sound approach to providing job opportunities. During this session, you will be asked to consider an innovative employment strategy that will be cost effective and oriented to the private sector. It will be introduced following intensive consultations with the provinces, labour and business.
Social Justice
My government is determined to ensure that social justice in Canada keeps pace with the changing needs and circumstances of our people. In this respect the most significant development of recent years is the greater participation of
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the women of Canada and their rightful claim to equality with men everywhere in our society.
As the women of Canada know, there is some distance between the principle of equality, widely accepted, and its reality, still far short of achievement. It is the duty of Parliament and government to help ensure that Canadian society travels that distance as quickly as possible. This will sometimes require the exercise of your power, and it will always need the power of your example.
Economic equality is the vehicle through which women will come to full partnership and participation with men in our society. Parliament has committed the federal jurisdiction to equal pay for work of equal value. My government agrees that this concept is one of the keys to the achievement of economic equality for women. My Ministers will enlist the cooperation of women and men in the private and public sectors in seeking to define further and to implement this concept. My government will also accelerate efforts to increase employment opportunities for women in the federal government and its agencies, boards and corporations.
You will be asked to consider a number of important legislative initiatives, including removal of the discriminatory clauses in the Indian Act, amendments to the Divorce Act, and measures to control pornography and sexually abusive broadcasting. My Ministers will shortly be initiating discussions with the provinces to establish a national system for the enforcement of maintenance orders. In consultation with the provinces, my government will take action to provide additional assistance to the victims of family violence.
My government has as a high priority measures to support and strengthen the Canadian family, which is the cornerstone of our society. The need for accessible and affordable child care has in recent years come to the forefront of the social agenda facing Canada. In an effort to reach a national consensus on options in this area, you will be asked to establish a parliamentary task force on the future of child care in Canada.
Canadians value and support the comprehensive social security system that has been put in place over many years by the federal and provincial governments. Many areas of this system must be strengthened to respond to the changing nature and needs of our society. It is time to recognize also the responsibility we all share to bring those amongst us who suffer from physical and mental disabilities into the productive mainstream of Canadian life.
My government will enter discussions with the provinces aimed at a comprehensive overhaul of the Canadian pension system, including such matters as portability, vesting, survivors' benefits, and pension coverage of women. An important element of this approach will be the consideration of measures designed to encourage Canadians to save for their retirement.
Consultations will also begin with the provinces to consider the most effective means of providing increased federal support for the improvement of community-based health care.
During the coming session, you will be asked to consider legislation to extend the income tested spouse's allowance to widows and widowers aged 60 to 64 regardless of the age of their spouse at death. My Ministers will introduce measures to improve the financial situation of Canada's war veterans.
As a country rich in human resources, Canada owes much to those who have dedicated themselves to cultural, artistic and athletic endeavour. In a variety of areas, my government will be addressing itself to the challenge of encouraging those individuals who inspire Canadians to new levels of excellence.
Law and Public Safety
Canadians are deeply troubled by the incidence of crime, especially crimes of violence, in our society. Most abhorrent to a nation respectful of the law are acts of violence against guardians of the law whom we have appointed to protect us. The recent murders of several policemen in Canada have shocked our people. Parliament shares the sense of sadness and loss felt by the families and colleagues of those policemen who died on duty.
There have been many studies of the corrections system in recent years and there have been numerous successful reforms. But it is obvious that there are grave defects in the system and my government accepts its responsibility to rectify these quickly. Legislation will therefore be placed before you to eliminate certain problems and abuses in the corrections system. Meanwhile administrative measures are being taken to protect better the public and the public's peace officers.
Speech from the Throne
During this session, Parliament will be asked to consider amendments to the Criminal Code to deal more effectively with impaired driving, soliciting, computer crime, and sentencing. We will work closely with the provinces in the areas of family law, crime prevention and assistance to victims of crime.
In the longer term, my government will address, in cooperation with the provinces, other anomalies in the fields of criminal and corrections law that are causing much public concern.
Renewed Canadian Internationalism
In Canada's past there is a luminous tradition of internationalism. Canadians have fought in two World Wars and in the United Nations action in Korea. Our armed forces have served in peacekeeping roles in distant lands. Our statesmen have been at the forefront in the founding of NATO and in the quest for arms control. Our country has successfully championed racial equality at critical moments in the life of the Commonwealth, and through private and public agencies contributed to international development.
It is the purpose of my government to renew this tradition of constructive Canadian internationalism.
Our relationship with the United States affects virtually every aspect of our national life. It is essential to our security and prosperity. It expresses values shared by the free peoples of our two nations. Beneath the myriad of issues to be discussed and conflicts to be resolved, beyond the hundreds of points of contact that take place daily between two governments and two economies, there are wellsprings of trust between two peoples.
My government has taken the initiative to restore a spirit of goodwill and true partnership between Canada and the United States. My government is pleased by the positive response it has received in both the government and private sectors of the United States.
There are many areas where the national interests or the national policies of the two countries diverge or compete. There are, as well, numerous and as of yet untapped possibilities for fruitful cooperation between our two countries. Restoring a climate of goodwill between our governments was an essential step towards the resolution of our conflicts and the realization of our opportunities. My government views this initiative as a confirmation of our national strength and maturity.
Vital as our relationship with the United States is, my Ministers are determined that Canadian internationalism will again be active and constructive in the wider world. The main objectives of my government are clear: to defend freedom and preserve peace; to prevent nuclear confrontation; to improve trading relations; to build a healthier world economy. For Canada, the way to these objectives lies in concerted action with other nations in every part of the world- allies, economic partners, competitors, friends and adversaries. There is surely none with whom a measure of common ground cannot be sought and found in the pursuit of these humane objectives.
My government is determined that Canada will again play its full part in the defence systems of NATO. Only in this way do we earn the right to full consultation and participation in the policies of that alliance. From this prudent and responsible position, Canada will work unceasingly with other nations, in every available forum, to halt the spread of nuclear weapons and prevent their development and use. Patience and perseverance we will need, for in this endeavor even the smallest progress is worthy of the greatest effort.
Canada's opportunity to influence the course of world events lies primarily in sound multilateral institutions. This is as true of economics as it is of defence, of development, and of disarmament.
Canada cannot prosper without international trade. The dominant part played by trade with the United States is obvious, and my government is exploring with our neighbour new approaches to a better and mutually advantageous trading relationship. But geography has also endowed Canada with an oceanic link to the promising new horizons of the Pacific Rim and to our traditional trading partners in Western Europe. My government will pursue with vigour and imagination new opportunities in these areas.
Canada also has a vital stake in the elimination of barriers to trade, commerce and investment on a global basis. In this connection, there is an urgent need for a concerted attack on non-tariff barriers which have become increasingly insidious and more prevalent. Acknowledging that no country, including Canada, is blameless, my government declares its willingness to do its part in a renewed multilateral effort to remove these obstructions in the international marketplace.

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Internal Economy Commission
Canada's record in official development assistance has on the whole been constructive. My government recognizes the continuing need for these programs, including support for the cost-effective and valuable humanitarian work done internationally by our voluntary and non-governmental organizations. But it is striking to observe how much hardship has occurred, how much debt burden has increased, how much economic activity has been held back in developing countries because of world recession, unstable markets and trade barriers. A successful attack on these problems will accelerate economic development and social progress in many of these countries. The alleviation of unconscionable human misery will result.
During this session, you will be asked to address this and other commitments and responsibilities of Canada in the world. A special parliamentary committee will conduct a full review of the main components and objectives of our international relations.
My government is convinced that Canada's defence forces urgently require a new definition of their role in keeping with present day conditions. The strategic context in which we defend our own territory and that of our allies has changed considerably since the early 1970s, when the government last carefully considered this matter. My Ministers are undertaking a comprehensive examination of these matters. The purpose is to clarify the mandate of our military and to give them the resources they need to do their job.
A Time For Renewal
This new Parliament is an historic opportunity to overcome past divisions in our country, and to purge the spirit of confrontation from the conduct of the nation's affairs.
The purpose of my government is to renew the confidence of Canadians that Parliament is truly the voice of the people, that government is their servant, and that federalism is the means to harmonize and preserve the splendid diversity of this land.
Above all, my government will enlist the active support and participation of Canadians themselves as we search for a new way of addressing our national responsibilities: a consensus in our economic life, tolerance in our national life, and a deep commitment to social justice and peace, at home and in the rest of world.
Members of the House of Commons:
You will be asked to appropriate the funds required for the services and payments authorized by Parliament.
Honourable Members of the Senate,
Members of the House of Commons:
In the great tasks of national reconciliation, economic renewal, and social justice to which you are called in this Parliament, may Divine Providence guide your every effort.
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Martin Brian Mulroney: That the speech of Her Excellency the Governor General, delivered this day from the throne of the two Houses of Parliament, be taken into consideration at the next sitting of the House.


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Right Hon. Brian Mulroney (Prime Minister) presented the following message from Her Excellency the Governor General:
The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons a certified copy of an approved Order in Council appointing the Hon. Roch La Salle, Minister of
Public Works, the Hon. Ray Hnatyshyn, Minister of State (Government House Leader), the Hon. Robert R. de Cotret, President of the Treasury Board, and the Hon. Barbara Jean McDougall, Minister of State (Finance), to act with the Speaker of the House of Commons as Commissioners for the purposes and under the provisions of Chapter H-9 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1970, entituled: An Act respecting the House of Commons.
Hon. Warren Allmand (Notre-Dame-de-Grace-Lachine
East): Mr. Speaker, I want to raise a question of privilege with respect to the commissioners of Internal Economy and in particular I want to refer to the ninth report of the Special Committee on Standing Orders and Procedure which was tabled in this House in 1983. It dealt specifically with the appointment of the commissioners of Internal Economy.
You will recall, Mr. Speaker, that the special committee to re-examine the standing orders and procedure was set up in the last Parliament following the lengthy bell ringing.
Mr. Speaker:: Order. I am in some difficulty. The Hon. Member may wish to rise on a question of order and he may have a question of order, but I have to tell him that he does not have a question of privilege so far. I suggest, if the Member wishes to be heard, that he please rise on a question of order so that I may hear him.


Mr. Allmand:: Mr. Speaker, I will rise on a question of order, but I think this is a matter which affects the privileges of all Members and I think, when I pursue my argument, you will see that it does touch the privileges of all Members.
In any case, in the last Parliament, as Mr. Speaker knows, we set up a special committee to re-examine the rules and procedures of this House following the lengthy bell ringing incident that was initiated by the Conservatives. That committee was set up and dealt with ten reports. One of those reports is the ninth report dealing with the commissioners of Internal Economy.
At the present time these commissioners, as you pointed out, are appointed in accordance with the House of Commons Act which stipulates that the commissioners must be Privy Councillors, but there is no requirement that the commissioners must be Privy Councillors in the Cabinet. Nor is there any requirement that the commissioners must be Privy Councillors on the Government side.
Since these commissioners are responsible for the services for all Members of this House-our offices, our staff, our machinery, our telephones, our travel-the committee felt that it was essential that these commissioners be appointed by all Members of the House and represent all Members of the House.
That ninth report was a unanimous report. Ten of the 12 Conservative Members who served on that committee from time to time are back in this House. Three of them are in the Cabinet, three who supported unanimously this report. I believe I am the sole Liberal surviving from that committee.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


William Warren Allmand: It surprises me, Mr. Speaker, because I would think that the 10 who survived on the other side would have
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been more interested in the report. There are two Members from the New Democratic Party who were also on that committee.
In that report, which is very important, the committee said the following, and I will be as brief as I can. The Government has said that it is very interested in parliamentary reform and the role of the backbencher. I wish it would give a couple of minutes here to this because it is extremely important. The committee said unanimously:
The Commission is composed by law of members of the Privy Council. In practice, only Cabinet Ministers have been Commissioners, although there is nothing to preclude the appointment of Privy Councillors who are not members of the Cabinet including members of the opposition.
We went on to say:
Your Committee believes it is essential that the House of Commons Act be amended to restructure the Board of Internal Economy. We do not feel that it is appropriate for only Cabinet Ministers to be responsible for the internal management of the House of Commons. The House of Commons is a community of many interests. They should be reflected in the way Commissioners are appointed.
Consequently your Committee proposes that a new Board of Internal Economy be set up-
And the committee recommended that we modify:
-the make-up of the Board by enlarging the range of its members to ensure the participation of Members of Parliament who are not Cabinet members. The Board would in future be composed of the Speaker, the Deputy Speaker, two Ministers of the Crown, the Leader of the Official Opposition or a Member designated by the Leader, and four others: two Members appointed by the government caucus, and two from the opposition caucuses-
1 appreciate that we have not had time to amend the House of Commons Act, but I would be sincerely interested in learning the intentions of the Government with respect to this important matter. In particular, I urge it to reconsider the matter and to appoint a commissioner who is a Privy Councillor from the Opposition in accordance with the spirit of this report that was supported by 10 members of the Conservative Party when they served with that committee. If the Government is as sincerely interested in parliamentary reform as it alleges in the Speech from the Throne, let it start with these 10 reports which have already been made by this House.


Mr. Speaker:: I am prepared to rule but I am in some quandary because of the traditions of the House.


Hon. Ray Hnatyshyn (Minister of State (Government House Leader)):: Mr. Speaker, I would like to say a few things because I know that the motion put by the Hon. Member for Notre-Dame-de-Grace-Lachine East (Mr. Allmand) was meant sincerely and was not meant for any partisan advantage at this point in time it being so early on in the course of our deliberations. I simply say to you, Mr. Speaker, that it cannot be a question of privilege because, if it were a question of privilege, it would have been a question of privilege during the course of the previous administration's mandate. I did not hear the Hon. Member for Notre-Dame-de-Grace-Lachine East rise and make an impassioned speech on behalf of this particular provision.


William Warren Allmand: We both signed the report.
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Ramon John Hnatyshyn: I was a member of that committee.
I would like to make a second observation, Mr. Speaker. If the Hon. Member for Notre-Dame-de-Grace-Lachine East had paid attention to the content of the Speech from the Throne, he obviously would have heard the part about the powers and the full extent of the examination that will take place with respect to the reform of the House of Commons and that it is very much a high priority with the Government.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


Ramon John Hnatyshyn: Mr. Speaker, I simply say to you, regarding the technical side of it, that it cannot be a question of privilege.
I can assure the Hon. Member that we are serious about parliamentary reform and that we will make progress where the previous administration could not.


Mr. Speaker:: The Hon. Member for Notre-Dame-de-Grace-Lachine East (Mr. Allmand) has raised what I personally believe is an interesting matter, and I will say no more on that side of it. He has quite rightly recalled the report of the Special Committee on Standing Orders and Procedure of the last Parliament and indeed has noted that the report has not been adopted by the House. The appointment of the commissioners is a statutory provision and not a matter within the direct responsibility of the Speaker. The House of Commons Act requires commissioners to be Privy Councillors, and the selection of those Privy Councillors is the privilege of the Governor in Council. To appoint a Member of the House of Commons who is not a Privy Councillor would, as the Hon. Member knows, require an amendment to the statute. He did not raise that point.
If I recall correctly, the special committee recommended specifically that the relevant statute be amended and went as far as appending a draft Bill to its report. While the Hon. Member has raised an interesting point, it is clearly neither a point of order nor a point of privilege. However, I can assure him the Chair looks forward with interest to future developments in this area.


Some Hon. Members:: Hear, hear!


APPOINTMENT OF STRIKING COMMITTEE
Martin Brian Mulroney: Mr. Speaker, I move:
That a committee be appointed to prepare and report, in accordance with Standing Order 69, lists of Members to compose the Standing and Standing Joint Committees of this House; and
That the committee be composed of Messrs. Cook, Deans, Dick, Friesen, Gauthier, Hnatyshyn and McGrath.


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Martin Brian Mulroney: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of State (Leader of the Government in the House) (Mr. Hnatyshyn):
That Mr. Marcel Danis, Member for the electoral district of Vercheres, be appointed Chairman of Committees of the Whole House.


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Martin Brian Mulroney: Mr. Speaker, I move:
That Steven Eugene Paproski, Esq., member for the electoral district of Edmonton North, be appointed Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole House.


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Motion agreed to.

Martin Brian Mulroney: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of State (Leader of the Government in the House) (Mr. Hnatyshyn):
That Mr. Jean Charest, Member for the electoral district of Sherbrooke, be appointed Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole House.


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Hon. Robert R. de Cotret (President of the Treasury Board):: Mr. Speaker, I move, in accordance with Standing Order 62:
That this House at its next sitting consider the business of supply.


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Motion agreed to.

Ramon John Hnatyshyn: Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 46(2), I would like to table the membership list of Cabinet committees, and I ask that these be appended to today's Hansard.


Mr. Speaker:: The House has heard the suggestion. Does the Hon. Government House Leader have the consent of the House to append the list of Cabinet committees to this day's Hansard?


Some Hon. Members:: Agreed.
[Editor's Note: For above-mentioned list see Appendix A.]


Ramon John Hnatyshyn: Mr. Speaker, I move:
That this House do now adjourn.


Mr. Speaker:: Mr. Hnatyshyn, seconded by Mr. de Cotret, moves that the House do now adjourn. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?


Some Hon. Members:: Agreed.


Mr. Speaker:: This House, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow at 11 a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1).
At 4.27 p.m. the House adjourned.
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APPENDIX A
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CABINET COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP*
Economic and Regional Development
Chairman	The Hon. S. Stevens	
Vice-Chairman	The Hon. P. Carney	
Members	The Hon. F. MacDonald The Hon. D. Mazankowski The Hon. J. Fraser The Hon. J. Wise The Hon. T. Siddon	
	The Hon. C. Mayer The Hon. W. McKnight	Public Service
	The Hon. T. McMillan The Hon. A. Bissonnette	Chairman
	The Hon. B. Bouchard The Hon. M. Cote	Vice-Chairman
	The Hon. J. Kelleher The Hon. R. Layton The Hon. M. Masse The Hon. G. Merrithew	Members
*N.B. The Deputy Prime Minister, President of the Treasury Board and Minister of Finance are ex officio members of the Cabinet Committees on Economic and Regional Development,
Government Operations and Social Development. All Ministers are free to attend meetings of
these Committees.	Security and Intelligence
Government Operations
Chairman
Vice-Chairman
The Hon. R. de Cotret The Hon. R. Hnatyshyn
Chairman
Vice-Chairman
Members
Members
The Hon. G. Hees The Hon. D. Roblin The Hon. R. La Salle The Hon. P. Beatty The Hon. R. Coates The Hon. H. Andre The Hon. W. McKnight The Hon. W. McLean The Hon. A. Bissonnette The Hon. B. McDougall The Hon. G. Merrithew The Hon. M. Vezina
Social Development
Chairman
Vice-Chairman
The Hon. J. Epp The Hon. J. Fraser The Hon. S. Stevens The Hon. R. Hnatyshyn The Hon. R. de Cotret The Hon. M. Wilson The Hon. R. Coates The Hon. P. Carney The Hon. M. Masse
The Right Hon. B. Mulroney
The Hon. E. Nielsen
The Right Hon. J. Clark The Hon. F. MacDonald The Hon. J. Wise The Hon. R. de Cotret The Hon. M. Wilson The Hon. W. McKnight The Hon. W. McLean
The Right Hon. B. Mulroney
The Right Hon. J. Clark
The Hon. F. MacDonald The Hon. J. Crosbie The Hon. E. MacKay The Hon. R. Hnatyshyn The Hon. R. de Cotret The Hon. P. Beatty The Hon. M. Wilson The Hon. R. Coates The Hon. P. Carney
The Hon. J. Epp The Hon. J. Crosbie
Legislation and House Planning
Chairman
Vice-Chairman
Members
The Hon. R. Hnatyshyn
The Hon. D. Roblin
The Hon. G. Hees The Hon. E. Nielsen The Hon. J. Crosbie The Hon. R. La Salle The Hon. E. MacKay The Hon. J. Fraser The Hon. D. Crombie The Hon. J. Murta The Hon. B. Bouchard The Hon. A. Champagne The Hon. J. Kelleher The Hon. R. Layton
Members
Special Committee of Council
Chairman
Vice-Chairman
The Hon. G. Hees The Hon. F. MacDonald The Hon. E. MacKay The Hon. D. Crombie The Hon. J. Murta The Hon. O. Jelinek The Hon. W. McKnight The Hon. W. McLean The Hon. S. Blais-Grenier The Hon. A. Champagne The Hon. M. Masse The Hon. M. Vezina
The Hon. E. Nielsen The Hon. R. Hnatyshyn
Members
Priorities and Planning
Chairman	The Right Hon. B. Mulroney
Vice-Chairman
Hon. E. Nielsen
Members
The Right Hon. J. Clark The Hon. F. MacDonald The Hon. J. Crosbie The Hon. D. Mazankowski
The Hon. D. Roblin The Hon. J. Crosbie The Hon. E. MacKay The Hon. R. Coates The Hon. O. Jelinek The Hon. A. Bissonnette The Hon. S. Blais-Grenier The Hon. M. Cote The Hon. B. McDougall The Hon. G. Merrithew The Hon. M. Vezina
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