1967-05-08

THE ROYAL ASSENT AND PROROGATION OF PARLIAMENT

Mr. Speaker:: I have the honour to inform the house that I have received the following communication:
Government House, Ottawa May 2, 1967
Sir:
I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Gerald Fauteux, puisne judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate chamber at 11 a.m. on Monday, May 8th, for the purpose of giving royal assent to certain bills and of proroguing the first session of the twenty seventh parliament of Canada.
I have the honour to be,
Sir,
Your obedient servant,
A. G. Cherrler
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General VACANCY


Mr. Speaker:: It is my duty to inform the house that I have received from the hon. member for Jasper-Edson (Mr. Horner) a written declaration of his intention to resign his seat in the House of Commons.
Pursuant to section 6 of the House of Commons Act, chapter 143, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952, I have addressed my warrant to the chief electoral officer for the issue of a writ for the election of a new member for the said electoral district.



COMMITTEES OF THE HOUSE

[Stage Direction]
Ninth report of special joint committee on the public service of Canada-Mr. Richard.
Fifteenth report of standing committee on public accounts-Mr. Hales.
Sixth report of joint committee on consumer credit and cost of living-Mr. Allmand.
[DOT] (10:40 a.m.)
[Stage Direction]
Third report of the special joint committee of the Senate and the House of Commons on immigration-Mr. Haidasz (for Mr. Klein).

Mr. E. F. Whelan (Essex South):: Mr. Speaker, I table herewith the sixth report of the standing committee on agriculture, forestry and rural development. I have received a letter from the president of the Winnipeg grain exchange concerning the committee report. Time does not permit consideration of this letter, but I am sure that in the new session the new committee will give it the necessary consideration.



LABOUR CONDITIONS


Hon. Jean Marchand (Minister of Manpower and Immigration):: Mr. Speaker, I wish to table two copies in English and two copies in French of administrative circulars issued on December 4, 1966 and February 27, 1967, in accordance with written question No. 2,922 standing in the name of the hon. member for Winnipeg North (Mr. Orlikow). These will be tabled later today.


Mr. Speaker:: Has the minister leave to table these documents?


Some hon. Members:: Agreed.



FINANCE


Hon. Mitchell Sharp (Minister of Finance):: Mr. Speaker, I am tabling today copies in English and French of a report by the tariff board in respect of reference No. 139 relating to iron or steel products used in the shipbuilding industry.
I am also tabling a transcript of the evidence presented to the board at its public hearings. I assure members of the house that the government will give detailed study to this report and that representations from interested parties wishing to comment on the report will receive careful consideration.

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QUESTIONS

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(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)

Mr. Thompson: 1.	During the past five years, how many citizens of France have been refused entrance to Canada for immigration and other purposes as a result of R.C.M.P. investigation?
2.	How many of these were because of active association with communist or other 'extremist' organizations?
3.	In view of the Department of Manpower and Immigration dropping investigation procedures, will such undesirable individuals now be permitted to enter Canada?


Hon. Judy V. LaMarsh (Secretary of State):: I am informed by the Departments of the Solicitor General and Manpower and Immigration as follows: 1 and 2. In the public interest and for the sake of the privacy of the individual, the reason a person is not admitted to Canada is not normally identified.
3.	Immigration procedures for citizens of France will now be the same as those for British subjects. In all countries, the examination of applicants by Canadian visa officers is intended to ensure that people who are prohibited under the Immigration Act will not gain entry to Canada.


CENTENNIAL MEDAL
Mr. Brand: 1.	What is the purpose of the proposed centennial medal?
2.	Who will receive the medal?
3.	How will they be chosen?
4.	For what purpose will the medal be awarded?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: 1.	A commemorative medal struck to mark the centennial of conferedation.
2.	Eligibility is restricted to persons who are Canadian citizens and who have given especially valuable service to Canada.
3.	The Department of the Secretary of State will solicit nominations through public and official channels and from national voluntary organizations whose aims are deemed to be consistent with the purpose for which the medal is created.
4.	Answered by 1.


MONUMENTS OF FORMER PRIME MINISTERS
Mr. Bell (Carlelon): 1.	Has the government commissioned the design of any monuments of former prime ministers of
Canada?
2.	If so (a) what sculptor or sculptors have been so commissioned (b) what former prime minister has been commissioned to each such sculptor?
3.	Have any designs (a) been accepted (b) been rejected and, if so, what ones and for what reasons?
4.	If any designs have been rejected, when is it anticipated that new designs will be completed?
5.	When is it anticipated that each of these monuments will be cast and ready for erection?
6.	In what place or position is it proposed to erect each such monument?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: 1.	Yes.
2.	(a) Messrs. Marcel Braitstein, Raoul Hunter, Elford Cox and Elek Imredy.
(b) Arthur Meighen (Braitstein); W. L. Mackenzie King (Hunter); R. B. Bennett (Cox); Louis St. Laurent (Imredy).
3.	(a) Yes.
(b) Yes-designs received for sculptures of R. B. Bennett and Arthur Meighen because these were judged not to bear sufficient resemblance to their subjects.
4.	By approximately June 30, 1967.
5.	The monument of W. L. Mackenzie King is expected to be ready by approximately September, 1967. No date can yet be set for the others.
6.	On the basis of professional advice, a number of possible sites for public monuments have been selected. Professional opinion favours the choice of each specific site in relation to the characteristics of the monument, and the sculptors are, therefore, to be consulted before a final decision is taken.


DETENTION OF IMMIGRANTS
Mr. Enns: Since the designation of certain institutions as immigrant stations by the minister in 1964, how many immigrants have actually been detained in such designated quarters, and (a) how many have been detained in penitentiaries (b) how many have been detained in provincial jails (c) how many have been detained in police stations (d) how many have been detained in mental hospitals?


Mr. J. C. Munro (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Manpower and Immigration):: 134 to March 1, 1967, (a) 3; (b) 45; (c) 81; (d) 5; an additional 188 immigrants were detained in immigration detention quarters which are located at Halifax, Quebec and Vancouver.
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SCULPTURE MOCK-UPS OF FORMER PRIME MINISTERS
Mr. Macquarrie: 1.	What sculptors were asked to prepare mock-ups of statues of former Prime Minister Arthur Meighen and R. B. Bennett?
2.	Were these mock-ups appraised by an advisory committee of persons proficient in sculpture and allied arts?
3.	What was the personnel of such committees?
4.	Did said committees submit to any government department any opinion on these mock-ups?
5.	What was the nature of such opinions?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: 1.	Marcel Braitstein (Arthur Meighen); Elf or d Cox (R. B. Bennett).
2.	Yes.
3.	Ursula Hanes, Past President, Society of Sculptors of Canada, Toronto; Clement Pate, Director of Studies, Ecole des Beaux Arts, Quebec; Peter Thornton, Architect, Vancouver; Yves Trudeau, Past President, Society des Sculpteurs de Quebec.
4.	Yes.
5.	The advisory panel considered the ma-quettes to be artistically worthy and recommended their acceptance.


PREVAILING LABOUR RATES, HALIFAX
Mr. Forresiall: 1.	By government departments, what are the current rates paid for labour classifications in the Halifax and Dartmouth area?
2.	What is the prevailing rate in the area for this classification?
Saint John Shipbuilding & Dry Dock Co. Ltd., Saint John, N.B.
Canadian Vickers Shipyards Ltd.,
Montreal 3, P.Q.
Davie Shipbuilding Limited,
Lauzon, Levis, P.Q.
2.	Davie Shipbuilding Limited.
3.	Yes.
4.	Additional costs attributable to late delivery of government supplied material	47,947.16
New requirements	113,959.26
Work arising from examination of ship and equipment	3,258,483.68
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3.	Is there more than one rate for this classification among Department of National Defence employees and, if so, how many different rates are there and where do they apply?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I am informed by the President of Treasury Board as follows: (a) All departments except the Department of National Defence dockyard and certain employees at CFB Halifax and Department of Transport marine agency -$1.90. (b) Department of National Defence: (i) H.M.C. Dockyard, $2.21; (ii) Canadian Forces base Halifax, $1.90 and $2.00. (c) Department of Transport Dartmouth marine agency, $1.88.
2.	Prevailing rate for labourer in the Halifax area, $1.90.
3.	See (1).	,


BIDS FOR REFIT OF &quot;BONAVENTURE&quot;
Mr. Forresiall: 1.	Which firms submitted tenders for the half life refit of H.M.C.S. Bonaventure and in what amounts?
2.	Who was the successful bidder?
3.	Have any adjustments been made in this contract which affect the total cost of this refit?
4.	If so, what were these adjustments and what is the total dollar content of each?
5.	What has been the total cost of this contract up to this date?
6.	Are any further changes in the total cost expected?
7.	What has been Canada's total investment in this ship since purchase?
8.	When will the refit be completed?


Hon. C. M. Drury (Minister of Industry):: 1.
Known Work Unknown Work
Firm Price	Estimated	Total Bid$7,473,606.00	$1,099,322.00	$8,572,928.004,784,789.00	1,078,552.00	5,863,341.004,913,541.00	855,141.00	5,768,682.005.	Total cost of contract to date 6.	Yes-additional work arising	$8,333,931.10 $1,390,230.90
7. D.N.D. states that Canada's total investment for maintenance and repair costs (including alterations and additions) since purchase for H.M.C.S. Bonaventure has been $7.39 million prior to commencement of the current refit. These costs when added to the

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$9,724,162 ship allotment and the $2,045,838 component allotment for the current refit, will bring the total cost of maintenance and repair to $19.16 million.
8. September 1, 1967.


'UNIVERSITY STUDENTS EMPLOYED BY EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Mr. McKinley: How many university students and university graduates have been employed during 1966 and 1967 by the Department of External Affairs and
(a)	how many of those employed were bilingual
(b)	how many were not bilingual?


Mr. D. S. Macdonald (Parliamentary Secretary to Secretary of State for External Affairs):: Insofar as the Department of External Affairs is concerned: Summer employment; 1966, 8 Students, 13 Graduates; (a) 0 Students, 10 Graduates; (b) 8 Students, 3 Graduates; 1967 none as yet. Permanent employment; 1966, 74 Graduates, (a) 17; (b) 57; 1967, 12 Graduates; (a) 5, (b) 7.


Mr. McCleave: 1.	With reference to paragraph 4 of the answer of the Minister of National Defence to question No. 2,565, how many of the 8,070 referred to were "interested individuals", and who compiled such a list of "interested individuals"?
2.	What will be done with the undistributed copies?
3.	Was the printing cost of $5,397.92 determined in advance?
4.	Why did the minister reject the alternative of purchasing $2,262 worth of copies of Hansard of that day?


Hon. Paul Hellyer (Minister of National Defence):: 1. Approximately 2,250 copies were distributed to individuals who had written in at one time or another to the defence department, indicating their interest in the reorganization of the services or in defence matters generally. Names of these individuals are held on numerous files at national defence headquarters and no special list was compiled for the purpose.
2.	Undistributed copies will be used to fill requests which are continuing to be received.
3.	Yes.
4.	It was considered that the format used was preferable for a reference pamphlet.


Mr. Coaies: When will tenders be called for breakwater repairs at Parrsboro, Nova Scotia, and what will the repairs in question involve?
Hon. G. J. Mcllrailh (Minister of Public
Works): Tenders are to be called about May 30, 1967. Stone is to be placed along 900 feet of the seaward side of the breakwater.


Mr. Bell (Carleton): 1.	To what municipalities does the National Capital Commission make grants in lieu of taxes pursuant to section 15 of the National Capital Act?
2.	What was the amount of such grant to each such municipality for each of the fiscal years ending March 31, 1964, 1965, 1966, and 1967, and the estimate for the year ending March 31, 1968?


Hon. G. J. Mcllrailh (Minister of Public Works):: 1. The National Capital Commission makes grants in lieu of taxes to the following municipalities: Township of West Hull. Township of Masham. Township of South Hull (Lucerne). Township of Onslow. Township of Templeton. Township of Eardley. Township of Gatineau. Township of Deschenes. City of Ottawa. Village of Deschenes. City of Hull- for Macdonald-Cartier bridge approaches.
2. The figures shown on the attached schedule do not include grants in lieu of taxes on rented properties, as these are deemed to be assumed by the lessees as part of their rent paid to the N.C.C.
The estimate for the year ending 31 March, 1968 totals $390,000.
[Mr. Forrestall.l
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Gatineau Park
1963-64	1964-65	1965-66	1966-67Township of West Hull	$12,332.72	$15,531.83	$18,667.20	$17,713.79Masham	11,338.77	11,508.35	11,804.87	14,863.86South Hull (Lucerne)	14,475.58	16,390.07	20,008.91	24,319.88Onslow	4,403.96	4,471.93	4,845.05	5,299.04Templeton	180.00	190.08	190.08	40.32Eardley	3,122.39	3,098.00	3,217.82	3,182.67Gatineau	280.60	216.0745,853.42	51,190.36	59,014.53	65,635.63City of Ottawa	66,553.78	120,236.22	195,584.69	145,883.37Local improvement charges	7,760.57	16,272.23	51,325.70	48,616.53Industrial subdivisions	Belfast road	25,907.76	22,150.00	23,294.47	18,095.51Tremblay road	6,746.71	6,015.29	5,189.41Coventry road	13,454.64	13,542.55	12,967.74	8,085.60Sheffield road	8,651.09	7,567.07Walkley road	17,590.98Township of Nepean	12,182.93	10,920.06	28,879.87Township of Gloucester	31,387.66	31,999.19	40,400.02Deschenes Village	850.88	11,405.15	2,305.15City of Hull	16,855.32	-	-Township of West Hull	644.78	Total	166,276.88	284,668.15	411,822.69	388,249.14
390,000


Mr. Nugent: 1.	What was the total cost of operation and maintenance of the high commission in India in each of the years, 1962 to date, including the estimate for 1966-67?
2.	In addition to the above amounts, how much has been expended or is intended to be expended in the estimates of 1966-67 for capital expenses in each of the said years?


Hon. Paul Martin (Secretary of Stale for External Affairs):: In so far as it concerns the Department of External Affairs 1. The total cost of operation and maintenance for each fiscal year from 1962 to date was as follows: 1961-62, $337,355; 1962-63, $409,175; 1963-64, $382,194; 1964-65, $467,979; 1965-66, $535,269; *1966-67, $506,000. (estimate)
*It is expected that expenditures for the fiscal year 1966-67 will be approximately $447,600.
2. The amount expended for capital expenses during each fiscal year from 1962 to date was as follows: 1961-62, $17,668; 1962-63, $30,926; 1963-64, $54,999; 1964-65, $30,736;
1965-	66, $49,366; **1966-67, $226,000. (estimate) **A major construction program on a site
acquired by the Canadian government in 1958 is now in the planning stage. This is a phased program because of the high cost involved. Phase 1, for which $200,000 was provided in
1966-	67, consists of the construction of a chancery, servant's quarters, garage, parking facilities and landscaping. Phase 2 will provide a number of houses and apartments for Canadian staff. Phase 3 will involve construction of additional staff quarters. Because of delays in completing drawings for phase 1 of the construction project, approximately $57,000 only of the amount provided for capital expenditures in 1966-67 estimates will be required.

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Mr. Prillie: 1.	Which company has been awarded the contract to carry out the piling and timber inspection on phase 2 of the Fraser river trifurcation plan?
2.	Were competitive tenders asked for before a company was chosen?
3.	If the answer to part 2 is no, on what basis was the company selected?
4.	Did the department ascertain if the company selected had sufficient personnel experienced in carrying out inspections in Pacific coast and Fraser river water conditions?
5.	What are the rates for the following services on phase 2 of the Fraser river trifurcation plan (a) treated piling, as specified (b) untreated piling -plan inspection, Vancouver area (c) untreated piling-bush inspection?
6.	What will be the estimated total cost of phase 2 inspection services based upon the rates referred to in part 5?
7.	Did Miller Inspection Services Ltd. of Richmond, B.C., submit a letter offering certain rates?
8.	If so, what were those rates?
9.	Based upon the rates of Miller Inspection Services Ltd., what would the total estimated costs have been?
10.	Have Miller Inspection Services Ltd. completed any assignments for the Department of Public Works?
11.	If so, were their services satisfactory?


George James McIlraith: 1. Coast Eldridge Co. Ltd., 125 East Fourth Ave., Vancouver, B.C.
2.	No.
3.	The value of inspection is based on quality of work and time spent on site and the department has established rates against a standard of work required. Assignments are given to companies which have qualified staff and facilities for the type of inspection required and the jobs are rotated between such companies.
4.	Yes.
5.	(a) Treated piling-.030 per linear foot; (b) Untreated piling-plant inspection, Vancouver area-.020 per linear foot; (c) Untreated piling-bush inspection-.020 per linear foot.
6.	Estimated $23,000.
7.	Yes.
8.	Treated piling-.020 per linear foot; Untreated piling-plant inspection-.010 per linear foot; Untreated piling-bush inspection -.0150 per linear foot.
9.	Estimated $15,030.
10.	Yes, Miller Inspection Services have completed several assignments for the department at the standard rates.
11.	Yes.


Mr. Crossman: 1.	What was the total amount committed foi development grants under the area development program in each of the Atlantic provinces from 1964 to date?
2.	What was the total amount paid by the federal government to each of the Atlantic provinces under the fiscal agreements for the years ending March 31, 1960 to 1967?
3.	What is the total amount committed for the year 1967-68?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I am informed by the Department of Industry and Finance as follows:	1. Formal commitments to pay development grants under the Area Development Incentives Act of June 30,	1965, to date in each of the
Atlantic provinces are as follows: Newfoundland $10,652,151; Prince Edward Island $648,500; New Brunswick $9,052,333; and Nova Scotia $7,880,330. Conditional commitments to pay under the act, pending receipt of additional information from applicants and completion of processing of applications, have been made as follows: Newfoundland $10,558,886; Prince Edward Island $338,658; New Brunswick $772,020; Nova Scotia $5,918,741.
2. Payments under the Federal-Provincial Tax-Sharing Arrangements Act and the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act to the Atlantic Provinces for the following fiscal years:
1959-60	1960-61	1961-62 1962-63 1963-64 (in thousands of dollars)	1964-65	1965-66	1966-67Nfld.	27,517	27,960	27,577	32,418	33,761	37,349	41,848	48,519P.E.I.	6,890	7,402	7,280	6,726	7,393	9,123	9,678	10,942N.S.	39,445	39,743	39,817	33,795	31,842	40,271	47,657	54,033N.B.	33,798	34,249	33,733	27,338	27,916	35,865	43,114	47,927
3. The total amount committed for the year
1967-68 cannot be estimated at this time. The volume of applications approved throughout level of commitments will depend upon the the year.
[Mr. Martin (Essex East) .1
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Mr. Nesbitt: 1.	What was the total amount of compensation paid to land owners whose properties were either purchased or expropriated for the construction of the Gordon Pittock dam, reservoir and recreation area, being part of the upper Thames river conservation authority at Woodstock, Ontario?
2.	What were the individual amounts of compensation paid to each land owner to date?


Hon. Jean-Luc Pepin (Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources):: 1. This compensation is paid by the province of Ontario. We are informed by the province that the total amount of compensation paid to date to land owners whose properties were required for construction of the Gordon Pittock dam project, Woodstock, is $702,045.77.
2.	The individual amounts of compensation paid to each land owner to date are listed hereunder:
Owner
Chester, Mary Down, Stanley Gibson & Thompson Goodwin, Wm. Gordon Griffin, W. A.
Hook, A. J.
Howell, James Lockhart, James Smith, William Murray, John Alexander Tabor, C. H.
Thornton, John Werkema, J. C.
Birtch, Chas.
Dunn, Grace Dunn, Rose Dunn, William Gardhouse, Wm.
Harwood, Gordon Hewitt, Teddy C.
Hewitt, W. Ross	[DOT]
Holmes, Chas. Smith McKay, Wilfred O'Connor, Alice Maria Symon, Robert Van Emden, Peter Windgrove, Doris & William Boughner, Stanley Brickwood, Alvin Gofton, Glen
Julian, Fennel & Eleanor
Final
settlement

1.439.00
78.000.	00
1.320.00 40,130.45
11.400.00 73,966.69 11,792.43
2.200.00
3.925.00 21,485.89
23.750.00
24.000.	00 17,382.14 23,584.23
10.175.00
30.450.00 12,205.34 18,854.85
18.900.00
10.800.00
10.750.00
10.000.	00 18,448.39 10,212.55 55,853.62 37,517.79 21,459.36
8,878.49
9,512.90
19.950.00
1.650.00
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Korevaar, Arthur	14,863.65
Marman, John	2,250.00
Neabel, Grace	2,450.00
Sitter, Lloyd & Mary	15,755.00
Kristensen, Margretta	678.00
Porter	12,000.00
Woodstock Go-Kart Club	6,500.00
Raper & Waugh	4,350.00
City of Woodstock (Lot 18 only) 2,700.00 Van Den Berg & De Haan	505.00


Mr. Schreyer: Of the total expenditure by the Department of Defence Production in the last fiscal year, what proportion of this amount was expended in (a) the three prairie provinces (b) British Columbia?


Charles Mills (Bud) Drury: The departmental record of prime contracts is maintained in accordance with the mailing address of the contractor. In a great many instances, the address of the contractor does not reflect where the actual work is carried out or the delivery point of the goods ordered by the consumer department or agency. Futhermore, such addresses do not reflect subcontracts or the sources of raw materials for the work involved.
Accordingly it is not possible to provide the statistical information.


Mr. Woolliams: Will the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development take the appropriate action to have referred, pursuant to the provisions of section 55 of the Supreme Court Act, to the Supreme Court of Canada, the questions (a) whether the so-called perpetual leases in the national parks were legally granted by the crown (b) whether the government of Canada, acting through the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, has the power to refuse to renew the said leases in accordance with their terms?


Mr. Stanley Haidasz (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development):: The answer to this question is as follows: (a) I am advised with respect to so-called perpetually renewable leases granted by the minister of the interior prior to the enactment of the National Parks Act in 1930, that the minister of the interior did not have the power to grant a right of renewal in those terms and therefore that portion of the leases was ultra vires his power and authority and cannot therefore be enforced.

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(b) I am advised with respect to so-called perpetually renewable leases granted by the minister of the interior prior to the enactment of the National Parks Act in 1930, that the government of Canada, acting through the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, does not have the authority to renew the said leases so as to grant a lease of land which, in effect, would be renewable in perpetuity.


Mr. Macquarrie: 1. What was the total expenditure for the Prince Edward Island national park in each of the years ending March 31, 1955 to March 31, 1967?
2.	In each of these years, what was the total number of prevailing wage-rate personnel employed?
3.	When is it intended to enlarge the Prince Edward Island national park?
4.	What is the location and extent of the areas to be added to the present park?
5.	When is it intended to open an additional national park in Kings county, P.E.I.?
6.	What is the area and location of the new park?
7.	Has the Prince Edward Island government made available land for a national park in Western Prince Edward Island?
8.	What is the location and extent of such a park?


Hon. Arihur Laing (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development):: 1. Year	Ending Operation &	Maintenance	CapitalMarch	31,	1955	85,725	35,123*	1956	93,237	58,1481957	96,767	52,086*	1958	105,569	50,518yy	1959	115,203	187,0091960	125,753	314,8771961	156,850	335,393yy	1962	179,309	482,2741963	177,171	267,2001964	207,728	337,1021965	243,885	504,2001966	279,017	473,403to Feb	28,	1967	299,522	58,697 (to Feb. 1967)(March figures not available)	Total Number of Prevailing	4. The areas under consideration cannot be	Rate Personnel Per Year	defined specifically until studies and surveys	(Seasonal and Project	of the area are completed later this year.	2. Year Ending	Employees)	5. The	matter of an additional national	March 31,	1955	54	park is	under	discussion with the Prince1956	63	Edward	Island	provincial government.
1958
1960
1962
1964
1966 Feb. 28, 1967
90
120
224
158 147 100
3.	Consideration is being given at this time to enlargement of Prince Edward Island national park, but no specific date has been set.
6.	Details regarding the area and location of any proposed new national park cannot be released until discussions have been completed and approved by the federal and provincial governments.
7.	No.
8.	Not applicable-see number 7.


Mr. Bell (Carleton): 1.	Were any discussions or consultations held by the public service commission with staff associations or other representatives of the employees in the public service before the promulgation of the public service employment regulations?

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2.	If so (a) with whom were such discussions or consultations held (b) what, In detail, was the nature of the discussions or consultations?
3.	If not, why were such discussions or consultations not held?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I have been given the following information by the Public Service Commission: 1. Yes.
2.	(a) On January 30, 1967, the commission forwarded the draft public service employment regulations to the following staff associations, asking for their comments on the draft: (i) The Public Service Alliance of Canada, (ii) the Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada, (iii) the Canadian Union of Postal Workers, (iv) the Letter Carriers Union of Canada, and (v) l'Associa-tion des fonctionnaires federaux d'expres-sion franqaise. (b) The Public Service Alliance of Canada, the Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers responded to the commission's invitation to comment on the draft regulations. The Public Service Alliance and the Canadian Union of Postal
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Mr. Caouelle: For the years 1963-64, 1964-65 and 1965-66, what was the total amount paid by the receiver general or, on his behalf, by the Bank of Canada, to cover the costs of cashing cheques or other instruments, for each chartered bank in Canada?


Mitchell William Sharp: Under the provisions of section 93(2) of the Bank Act, no bank may make a charge "for cashing a cheque or other instrument drawn on the Receiver General or on his account in the Bank of Canada or in any other bank, or for cashing any other instrument issued as authority for the payment of money out of the consolidated revenue fund, or in respect of any cheque or other instrument drawn in favour of the Receiver General, the government of Canada or any department thereof or any public officer in his capacity as such, and tendered for deposit to the credit of the Receiver General."
Workers commented in writing and the Pro-	The banks	are, however,	permitted to
fessional Institute requested a meeting with	charge for cashing bond coupons and redeem-		
the commission which was held on February	ing Canada savings bonds. The amounts paid		
24, 1967.	for these services during the		years in ques-
3. Not applicable.	tion are set out in the attached schedule.		
Total amount paid to each chartered bank during the	years 1963-64,	1964-65 and1965-66 to cover cost of cashing bond coupons	and redeeming	Canada savings bonds.	Chartered Bank	1963-64	1964-65	1965-66$	$	$Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce	232,550.55	253,432.10	250,623.25Bank of Montreal	204,060.05	216,206.48	207,618.12Banque Canadienne Nationale	40,146.97	34,209.34	33,605.66Bank of Nova Scotia	82,149.94	94,683.35	96,418.85Banque Provinciale du Canada	35,199.84	34,199.68	32,071.60Royal Bank of Canada	221,677.38	240,172.23	236,956.15Toronto-Dominion Bank	100,532.26	111,063.99	108,893.86Mercantile Bank of Canada	1,099.27	1,243.28	1,469.86EXCISE TAXES ON CIGARETTES	Hon. E. J. Benson (Minister of National	AND WINE	Revenue and	President of	the Treasury
Question No. 2,824-Mr. Caoueite:	Board):		
What was the total amount collected In excise taxes during the years 1965-66, 1964-65 and 1963-64, In each province on (a) cigarettes (b) wine?
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EXCISE TAX COLLECTIONS under parts IV and V of the Excise Tax Act


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PROVINCE	1963-64	1964-65	1965-66Nova Scotia	297.92	221.62	351.98Prince Edward Island	49.50	20.19	27.86Newfoundland	160,187.10	135,011.25	116,572.46New Brunswick	850.89	930.26	1,125.67Quebec	199,610,391.10	196,964,713.32	175,398,576.65Ontario	434,011.94	385,486.50	42,352,401.19Manitoba	1,776.92	984.35	1,190.03Saskatchewan	250.28	295.39	361.32Alberta	404.11	543.48	1,150.59British Columbia	3,200.86	6,891.44	3,909.55Yukon Territory	14.00	25.91	27.70200,211,434.62	197,495,123.71	217,875,695.00WINES	PROVINCE	1963-64	1964-65	1965-66Nova Scotia	28,335.13	24,163.86	24,420.04Prince Edward Island	Newfoundland	New Brunswick	Quebec	3,811.00	4,567.22	2,501.87Ontario	3,135,148.26	3,270,671.60	3,321,765.59Manitoba	Saskatchewan	Alberta	10,872.31British Columbia	646,832.84	792,691.38	1,042,043.20Yukon Territory	3,814,127.23	4,092,094.06	4,401.603.01
Notes: Excise taxes on domestically manufactured cigarettes and wines are collected in the province where manufacture takes place. Excise tax on imported cigarettes is paid at the port where entry for consumption takes place. No breakdown is maintained by commodities of the amount of sales tax collected under part VI of the Excise Tax Act.
Mr. Bell (Carlelon): 1.	Has the public service commission delegated to any deputy head the authority to perform any of the powers, functions or duties of the commission?

2.	If so (a) to what deputy heads (b) in respect of what positions (c) what terms and conditions were attached to each such delegation (d) what appointments have been made pursuant to such delegations?
3.	Have one or more persons under the jurisdiction of any deputy head been authorized by the commission to exercise and perform any of the powers, functions or duties that a deputy head has been authorized by the commission to exercise and perform?
4.	If so (a) what deputy head has jurisdiction (b) what is the name and position or title of each such person so authorized (c) what appointments have been made pursuant to such sub-delegation?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I have been given the following information by the Public Service Commission: 1. No.
2, 3, 4. Not applicable.
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Mr. Bell (Carlelon): 1.	To what areas of Canada are (a) paragraph 4(1) (a) (b) paragraph 4(1) (b) of the public service employment regulations applicable?
2.	To what areas of Canada is paragraph 4(2) of the public service employment regulations applicable?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I have been given the following information by the Public Service Commission: 1 and 2. Paragraphs 4(l)(a) and (b) and 4(2) are not applicable to any particular area of Canada except when the "public served by the unit" happens to be coincident with the whole population within a specified area. Thus, when making an appointment to a vacant position the commission determines the language composition of the public served by the unit where the vacancy occurs and, if that composition is such as to fall within the limits set by paragraphs 4(l)(a), 4(l)(b), or 4(2) respectively, the appropriate paragraph is applicable to that appointment.


Mr. Bell (Carleton): 1.	Where a numerical scoring device is used in rating candidates for a position in the public service (a) what marks are allotted to the candidate for the essential qualifications of the position
(b)	by what marking systems are the desirable qualifications possessed by a candidate reflected
(c)	by what systems are the appropriate marks for the degree of language proficiency reflected (d) must the appropriate marks for language proficiency be equal to ten per cent of the marks which may be attained for the essential qualifications or how and in what circumstances may they vary upwards or downwards from ten per cent?
2.	Where a numerical scoring device is not used, how is each of the attributes mentioned in part 1 determined?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I have been given the following information by the Public Service Commission: 1 (a) Various marking systems are used for different competitions. In all systems, the marks awarded a candidate reflect the degree to which he possesses the qualifications being assessed, (b) A number of marks reflecting the degree to which the desirable qualifications are possessed by a candidate are added to the marks allotted to the candidate for the essential qualifications, (c) A number of marks, not exceeding the number that is equal to ten per cent of the maximum number of marks that may be attained for the essential 23033-981 i
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qualifications are allotted to the candidate in accordance with his assessed language proficiency, where knowledge of both English and French is a desirable, rather than an essential, qualification, (d) The maximum attainable marks for language proficiency where knowledge of both English and French is a desirable qualification is ten per cent of the marks attainable for essential qualifications. The marks for language proficiency may vary downwards from 10 per cent depending upon the degree of language proficiency possessed by the candidate.
2. The selection board assesses essential and desirable qualifications in the manner it judges to be most appropriate to the competition.


Mr. Bell (Carleton): 1.	What persons have been authorized, pursuant to section 2 (1) (e) of the public service employment regulations, to exercise or perform the power, function or duty of "responsible staffing officer"?
2.	What method or technique was used to authorize each such person to exercise or perform such power, function or duty?
3.	Pursuant to what authority in the Public Service Employment Act was each such person so authorized?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I have been given the following information by the Public Service Commission: 1. The director general and officers of the staffing branch of the Public Service Commission.
2.	The assignment of duties by the commission to its own officers includes the responsibilities assigned to the "responsible staffing officer" by the public service employment regulations.
3.	No express statutory authority is required for the Public Service Commission to assign duties to its own officers.


Mr. Bell (Carleton): 1.	Have the criteria of "essential qualifications" or "desirable qualifications" been utilized by the former civil service commission, prior to the coming into force of the Public Service Employment Act?
2.	If so (a) under what circumstances (b) subject to what conditions (c) pursuant to what authority?
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any submissions made or evidence given by members of the civil service commission to the joint special committee of the Senate and House of Commons on the public service?
4.	If so, when?
5.	If not, why did the commission refrain from disclosing these proposals to parliament?
the Minister of Justice has discretion to refuse extradition whenever he determines that an offence is one of a political character. These considerations apply irrespective of whether or not the person concerned is a Commonwealth citizen.


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I have been given the following information by the Public Service Commission: 1. Yes.
2.	(a) and (b). Every statement of required qualifications prepared for a position or class of positions, prior to March 13, 1967 has differentiated between essential qualifications and desirable qualifications whenever the commission was of opinion that certain skills, types of knowledge or kinds of experience would be a relevant asset, although not an absolute requirement, in the performance of the duties of the position or class of positions to which appointments were to be made, (c) Pursuant to section 33 of the Civil Service Act, 1961.
3.	Yes.
4.	The significance and the application of "essential qualifications" and "desirable qualifications" were explained and discussed by Commissioner Sylvain Cloutier appearing as a witness before the joint special committee of the Senate and House of Commons on the public service, on November 3, 1966. His testimony is recorded in the minutes of proceedings and evidence of the committee, No. 16, on pages 764 to 766.
5.	Not applicable.


Mr. Isabelle: Is there any available tabulation of figures on graduations in Canada and flows to and from Canada of engineers, medical doctors, and dentists for the past three years?


Mr. Jean-Charles Canlin (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Trade and Commerce):: (a) Number of University and College Graduates, Canada1
Course
Dentistry
Engineering
Medicine
Academic Year 1962-63	1963-64	1964-65?259	258	2862,246	2,422	2,256826	773	1,0343
1 includes graduates in the fall and spring of the academic year (e.g., graduates in the fall of 1962 and the spring of 1963). 2 subject to slight revision. 3 prior to 1964-65 1'Univer-site de Montreal and l'Universite Laval granted the M.D. degree only after the interne year. In 1964-65 they began to grant it before the interne year. For 1964-65, both institutions had two graduating classes.


Mr. Lambert: Is the government considering a bill to give the Canadian government the right to refuse extradition in the case of Commonwealth citizens who are prosecuted in countries independent from the Commonwealth for offences of a rather political character?


Donald Stovel Macdonald: Insofar as the Department of External Affairs is concerned, no such legislation is under consideration, and none appears to be necessary. Extradition from Canada to other than Commonwealth countries is granted only pursuant to bilateral extradition agreements concluded with such countries. In such treaties it is the common practice to exclude specifically extradition for political offences. Moreover, under sections 21 and 22 of the Extradition Act (RSC 1952 Chap. 322),
lMr. Bell (Carleton).]
(b) Number of engineers, medical doctors
and dentists who	immigrated to	Canada	1963	1964	1965	1966Professional	Engineers	1,198	1,476	2,254	3,210Physicians and	Surgeons	687	668	792	995Dentists	42	55	60	78
(c) Number of engineers, medical doctors
and dentists who emigrated		from Canada to	
U.S.A.*:	1963	1964	1965Professional Engineers Physicians and	834	821	913Surgeons	472	405	390Dentists	7	11	21
*Data on movement of persons from Canada is only available for those going to the United States.
Source:	United States Immigration and
Naturalization Service.
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Mr. Legaull: Have arrangements been made by the government or the centennial commission with the province of Quebec and other provinces to permit school buses to travel to Expo '67 without commercial licences from each province to be travelled through, and with insurance companies to give coverage to these buses during the Expo period?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: No.


Mr. Lambert: 1.	Does the Canadian coat of arms, dating from the royal proclamation of King George V, dated November 21, 1921, appear on the design of the centennial medal to be distributed to Canadian school children in 1967?
2.	If not, what is the design of the armorial symbols apearing on the said medal and in what way does it differ from the Canadian coat of arms referred to in part 1?
3.	Why is the said design being described as the Canadian coat of arms, and what is the authority for so describing it?
4.	When was such design authorized and by whom?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I am informed by the centennial commission as follows: 1. Yes.
2 and 3. Answered by 1.
4.	The coat of arms was authorized by the above-mentioned proclamation and its use, surmounted by the St. Edward's Crown, was authorized by the government for use on various objects, including medals, on September 5, 1957.


Mr. Noble: Will the government give consideration to establishing statutory safety limits in the use of two specific pesticides, aldrin and dieldrin, so that foods produced with their use would not carry the residue above health safety levels?


Hon. A. J. MacEachen (Minister of National Health and Welfare):: The government has established tolerances (maximum permitted levels) for aldrin and dieldrin under the authority of the Food and Drugs Act in a
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number of foods. These tolerances were established only after very careful consideration of possible hazards to health.


Mr. Sianbury: 1.	What provinces had taken advantage of the Canada assistance plan within a year after April 1, 1966, the date from which its benefits were available to the provinces?
2.	From what dates have these benefits been passed on in each such province to its people?


Allan Joseph MacEachen: 1. The Canada Assistance Plan provides federal support for welfare services, health services and child welfare services, as well as for social assistance; improvements in provincial programs in some of these areas have been made in all provinces since April 1, 1966. The provinces which have increased rates and coverage under their social assistance programs since April 1, 1966 are: Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario, Saskatchewan and British Columbia.
2.	The dates from which the increased rates and extended coverage under provincial social assistance programs became effective are as follows: April 1, 1966, for the province of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Quebec and Saskatchewan. January 1, 1967, for the province of New Brunswick. April 1, 1967, for the provinces of Ontario and British Columbia.


Mr. Howe (Hamilton: South):
1.	What was the total quantity of shoes and other footwear manufactured in Canada in 1962 and in the first nine months of 1966?
2.	What was the total quantity of shoes and other footwear imported into Canada in 1962 and in the first nine months of 1966?
3.	What percentage quantity of total domestic consumption in each of these periods was imported and what percentage was manufactured in Canada?
4.	If the percentage of total consumption met by imports increased during the nine month period in 1966, what steps are being taken to protect the Canadian industry and Canadian labour employed in the industry?


Mitchell William Sharp: 1,	2 and 3. The Dominion Bureau of Statistics reports the answers to these questions are as follows:
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Canadian production Minus exports
Apparent Canadian consumption of footwear produced in Canada Plus imports
Total apparent Canadian footwear consumption
J anuary-December	J anuary-September
1962	1966
- number of pairs -
62,752,458
2,384,675
60,367,783 ( 73.7%) 21,573,278 ( 26.3%)
81,941,061 (100.0%)
47,444,127
931,881
48,512,246 ( 65.0%) 25,069,778 ( 35.0%)
71,582,024 (100.0%)
4.	The government departments concerned are following very carefully developments in the Canadian footwear market, and consult as required with representatives of the Canadian manufacturers.


Mr. Laiulippe: What were the amounts paid by the government of Canada as subsidies of all kinds or as compensation payments to (a) the Canadian National Railways (b) the Canadian Pacific Railway (c) other railways, if any, for the years 1964, 1965 and 1966?


Mr. J. A. Byrne (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Transport):: a,b,c. If by subsidies and compensation payments is meant
payments to the railways in respect of certain specific authorizations by parliament, the following payments have been made:
Payments to railway and transportation companies based upon the Freight Rates Reduction Act and interim payments related to MacPherson commission recommendations, (FRRA and interim payments); payments to CNR and CPR equal to the annual cost of maintaining trackage between specified points in northern Ontario, (northern bridge subsidy); payments based upon the Maritime Freight Rates Act, (MFRA subsidy); payments related to the suspension of freight rate increases on export grain moving between certain ports on Georgian bay, great lakes, St. Lawrence river and the east coast, (At. and East).
Payments applicable to Railway Calendar Year 1964 (000)
Algoma Central & Hudson Bay Rly.
Canada & Gulf Terminal
Canada Steamship Lines



Cumberland Railway Co.
Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co. Dominion Atlantic Great Northern Railway Grand Falls Central Midland Railway Co.
Napierville Junction Rly. Co.
New York Central Northern Alberta Railway Co. Ontario Northland Railway Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo
FRRA &	Northern	
Interim	Bridge	MFRAPayments	Subsidy	Subsidy373	40	26512 39,297	3,266	12,51526,575	3,734	85663970	3814	30866	11	93	1,143	2	151	68,337	7,000	14,725
At. & East Payments
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Payments applicable to Railway Calendar Year 1965
(000)
	FRRA&	Northern		
Interim	Bridge	MFRA	At. & EaslPayments	Subsidy	Subsidy	PaymentsAlgoma Central & Hudson Bay Rly.	347	Canada & Gulf Terminal	58	27	Canada Steamship Lines	584	CNR	51,173	3,251	12,850	CPR	34,083	3,749	818	Cumberland Railway Co.	699	Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co.	72	Dominion Atlantic	370	Great Northern Railway	11	Grand Falls Central Railway Co.	289	Midland Railway	95	Napierville Junction Rly. Co.	11	New York Central	72	Northern Alberta Railway Co.	951	Ontario Northland Railway	4	Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo	190	87,651	7,000	15,053	Payments applicable to Railway Calendar Year 1966 (Est.)	Algoma Central & Hudson Bay Rly.	445	Canada & Gulf Terminal	86	30	Canada Steamship Lines	728	CNR	66,451	2,091	12,211	736CPR	44,474	2,655	864	1,024Cumberland Railway Co.	660	Chesapeake & Ohio Rly. Co.	107	Dominion Atlantic	235	Great Northern Railway	9	Grand Falls Central Railway Co.	289	Midland Railway	137	Napierville Junction Rly. Co.	15	New York Central	82	Northern Alberta Railway Co.	1,225	Ontario Northland Railway	7	Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo	207	113,973	4,746	14,289	1,760
In addition annual payments are made to Canadian National Railways related to operating deficits on ferry services for Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, and between Yarmouth and Bar Harbour, and on the Victoria bridge at Montreal.


Mr. Rapp: How many bushels of wheat, oats and feed barley have been purchased by, or on behalf of, the Canadian Wheat Board in each month since January, 1967, in each of the provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan?

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Mr. Bruce S. Beer (For the Minister of Trade and Commerce):: January Saskatchewan	February (bushels)	Marchwheat	19,759,000	7,806,000	16,477,000oats	332,000	373,000	484,000barley1 Manitoba	948,000	956,000	1,911,000wheat	3,492,000	1,459,000	3,705,000oats	307,000	210,000	327,000barley1	437,000	324,000	681,000
Tt is not possible to establish the final use of barley at the time of its delivery to the country elevator.


Mr. Danforth: 1.	What is the estimated date of completion of the national centre for the performing arts building in Ottawa?
2.	Is it planned that the finished edifice will contain space and accommodation especially at street level that may be utilized by private companies or corporations on a rental and lease basis and, if so, when and to whom should representations by interested parties be made?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I am informed by the Department of Public Works and the National Arts Centre Corporation as follows: 1. The prime construction contract is to be completed by December 31, 1968. Following this, there is to be a three month specialized equipment testing, coordination, and run-in period before the building becomes operational.
2.	The finished edifice will provide space and accommodation, including the street level, that may be leased or otherwise used for purposes ancillary to the major purpose of the centre but the possibility of leasing to commercial enterprises has not been ruled out. This subject is being considered by the board of trustees and persons wishing to register their interest may do so by writing to the director, National Arts Centre Corporation.


Mr. Godin: 1.	How many farms are there in Canada?
2.	How many have electrical power?


Jean-Charles Cantin: 1. According to the Census of Agriculture, June 1, 1966, there were 430,522 census farms in Canada, which are defined as

consisting of one acre or more with sales during the previous year of $50 or more. A considerable number of these farms are occupied by persons employed principally in occupations other than agriculture. Included in this number are 276,835 commercial census farms which are defined as consisting of one acre or more with sales during the previous year of $2,500 or more.
2. Information from the 1966 Census of Agriculture is not yet available on the number of farms having electrical power. However, as at June 1, 1961 there were 409,882 census farms reporting electrical power.


Mr. Godin: 1.	How many telephone communication companies are there in (a) Canada (b) each province?
2.	How many subscribers does each of these companies have in (a) Canada (b) each province?
3.	What were the revenues declared for income tax purposes by each of these companies in 1965 in (a) Canada (b) each province?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I am informed by the Departments of Trade and Commerce and National Revenue as follows: 1. (a) During 1965 there were 2,330 telephone communication companies in Canada. (b) Newfoundland 1, Prince Edward Island 5, Nova Scotia 127, New Brunswick 4, Quebec 141, Ontario 132, Manitoba 2, Saskatchewan 952, Alberta 961, British Columbia
5.
2.	The number of subscribers is not available. However, the number of telephones excluding those on private branch exchange, extensions, public pay telephones and mobile telephones is as follows: (a) Canada total- 5,189,453. (b) Newfoundland 65,992; Prince Edward Island 20,668; Nova Scotia 164,963; New Brunswick 124,529; Quebec 1,411,934; Ontario 1,978,036; Manitoba 262,873; Saskatchewan 243,420; Alberta 375,522; British Columbia 534,849; Northwest Territories 3,052; Yukon 3,615.
3.	The information submitted by each company for income tax purposes is confidential and cannot be divulged.


Mr. MacEwan: 1.	Has the postmaster general designed or has someone designed for him, a new insignia for use by the Post Office Department to replace the present coat of arms?
2.	If so, when does he intend to introduce it?
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Hon. Jean-Pierre Cole (Poslmasier General):: The answer to the first part of this question is no. The second part is not applicable.


Mr. Allmand: 1.	Is Judge Adrien Meunier still receiving his salary as a judge of the Superior Court for the province of Quebec?
2.	How many cases did he hear during 1966?
3.	During that year did he carry on any other specific duties in his capacity as judge?


Hon.   P.-E. Trudeau@Minister of Justice: 1.	No. Mr. Justice Meunier was granted leave of absence from his judicial duties without pay from the first day of November, 1965, until further Order of His Excellency the Governor in Council.
2.	None.
3.	No.


Mr. Allmand: 1.	What was the budget for the office of the superintendent of bankruptcy in the district of Montreal during 1966?
2.	How many employees are employed by this office and what are their classifications?
3.	Are there any lawyers in Montreal specifically charged with prosecutions under the Bankruptcy Act?
4.	Are there any accountants in Montreal specifically engaged in the investigation of bankruptcies?
5.	Does the R.C.M.P. conduct investigations under the Bankruptcy Act?
6.	How many cases of fraudulent bankruptcies were investigated in Montreal during 1966?
7.	What is the status of the investigation into the murder of lawyer Adrien Paquette?


Hon. John N. Turner (Registrar General):: 1.	During the period March 1, 1966 to December 31, 1966, the superintendent of bankruptcy had one investigator in Montreal and the expenditures of the bankruptcy branch for that period for the Montreal office were as follows:
Salaries	$10,222
Travelling	551
Telephone, Supplies,	etc. 400
Total	$11,173
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2. As of April 12, 1967, the staff of the office of the superintendent of bankruptcy
comprised the following:
Classification-
Branch director
(Superintendent	of bankruptcy)	1
Assistant branch directors (Assistant superintendents of bankruptcy)	2
Regional office director	1
Auditors	14
Investigators	6
Bankruptcy administration
supervisory officers	5
Office manager	1
Stenographers	13
Clerks	8
Total	51
While the total establishment of the office of the superintendent of bankruptcy, as of April 12, 1967 provided for 69 positions, the establishment of the Montreal regional office was at that time as follows:
Regional office director	1
Auditors	7
Investigators	3
Stenographers	3
Clerk	1
Total	15
3.	Prosecutions under the Bankruptcy Act for offences of an administrative character, whenever necessary, are conducted by the legal advisors of the federal Department of Justice in Montreal.
4.	Yes.
5.	Yes.
6.	The expression "fraudulent bankruptcy" may be used to refer to a wide variety of undesirable situations. It may refer to irregularities on the part of debtors, creditors, inspectors, trustees or any other persons having some connection with bankruptcies. During the course of 1966, the office of the superintendent of bankruptcy, in some cases with the assistance of the R.C.M. Police, initiated in the metropolitan Montreal area more than 200 investigations into alleged irregularities connected with bankruptcies on the part of bankrupts, creditors, inspectors, trustees or other persons. This figure does not include investigations carried on by the provincial authorities or the Montreal municipal police or by trustees.


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7.	Investigations of this nature are the responsibility of the provincial authorities which are charged with the administration of criminal justice in the province.


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Mr. McCuicheon:: 1.	From what countries have helicopters been purchased for use by the Department of Transport?
2.	Have any helicopters been purchased from France for the Department of Transport and, if so
(a)	how many (b) when were they purchased (c) what was the purchase price (d) were the purchases made as a result of tenders?
3.	Are complete repair facilities for such helicopters available in Canada, and (a) if so, where
(b)	if not, what arrangements are necessary for repairs?


James Allen (Jim) Byrne: 1. United States and
France.
2.	Yes. (a) 3 Alouettes. (b) 1965-1966 (c) $181,400 each, (d) No.
3.	No. (a) Not applicable, (b) Air frame overhaul conducted by Department of Transport facilities. A number of components can be overhauled in Canada. Sud Aviation is now conducting a survey to determine which companies can overhaul more of these components. Engine and main transmission and tail rotor gear boxes must still be returned to the factory in France.


Mr. Dinsdale: 1.	Has any change been made in Manitoba's representative on the historic sites and monuments board?
2.	If so, what was the nature of the change and for what reason was it made?
3.	What was the name and credentials of the former representative?
4.	What is the name and the credentials of the present incumbent?


Arthur Laing: 1. It is
hoped that an announcement can be made as to the new representative in the near future.
2.	Term expired.
3.	Professor W. D. Smith, M.A.
4.	N/A.
[Mr. Turner.)


Mr. Ormisfon: 1.	How many planes now being held by Air Canada are unable to be placed in service because of engine shortage?
2.	What are the types of these planes and the number of each?
3.	What types of engine are usually supplied for these types of plane and where are they manufactured?
4.	Is it possible to substitute Rolls Royce engines for the original types?
5.	Has any attempt been made to acquire engines from any alternative source?


James Allen (Jim) Byrne: The management of Air Canada advises as follows: 1. None.
2, 3, 4 and 5. Not applicable.



SUPPLY OF BUFFALO MEAT

["The Canadian charge d'affaires in Athens has made inquiries about one particular situation and in respect of the security of certain other political personalities. The responses available to us in all cases have been that their security has not been imperilled."]
Arthur Laing: 1. No.
The limited supply has already been allocated to groups wishing to serve buffalo meat at non-commercial centennial celebrations. The animals were slaughtered during the winter in national park buffalo herd reduction programs and the meat is presently being distributed at 42 cents per pound to groups which responded to the offer contained in my press release of February 28, 1967.



Mr. Lambert: 1.	When is it anticipated that a decision will be reached and announced by the government as to the qualifications for and nominations of new trustees in bankruptcy?
2.	What is the date of the decision taken many months ago not to appoint further trustees until a new policy with respect thereto had been decided upon?
3.	How many applications for such positions are presently outstanding?


John Napier Turner: 1.	The policy regarding the licensing of trustees under the Bankruptcy Act is a question which is being looked into by the advisory committee on bankruptcy legislation that has been appointed in February of 1966. While awaiting the report of this committee,

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it has been decided to adopt an interim policy that will permit the licensing of none but the very best of the individuals that have shown an interest in becoming trustees. It is expected that it will be possible to announce what this interim policy will be within the next two months or so. It may be added that there is no indication that the public interest has suffered in any way as a result of the lack of new appointees.
2.	The decision not to appoint new trustees under the Bankruptcy Act was taken very shortly after the appointment of Mr. Roger Tasse as Superintendent of Bankruptcy in April of 1965.
3.	Fifty-eight.
1.
Gross Loans Approved by Central
Item	Loans
New Housing-NHA, Sect.	40	28,754
Other sections	80
Existing Housing-NHA,	Sect. 40	2
Other sections	25
Other purposes	202
Total	29,063
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HOUSING CORPORATION STATISTICS
Mr. Tucker: 1.	How many direct loans were made by Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation in the years 1965 and 1966?
2.	How many applications for loans have been received from January 1, 1967, to April 15, 1967?
3.	What was the total number of houses built under the National Housing Act in 1964, 1965, and 1966?
4.	What is the total amount of money made available by the government under the National Housing Act in the years 1964, 1965, and 1966?


Hon. J. R. Nicholson (Minister of Labour):: Mortgage and Housing Corporation:
1965	1966
	Amount			Amount
Units	($000)	Loans	Units	$(000)31,451	431,702	29,133	32,481	478,8682,491	29,694	127	5,079	65,5382	25	8	8	801,719	21,692	21	1,300	16,340-	56,535	217	-	84,78135,663	539,648	29,506	38,868	645,607
2. Applications for C.M.H.C. Loans, January 1-April 15, 1967 (Dwelling Units):
Item	Number
New Housing-NHA,	Sect.	40	16,987New Housing-NHA,	Sect.	40	16,987Other sections	747
Existing Housing-
All sections, NHA	1,326
Total	19,060
3.	Dwelling Starts and Completions Under the National Housing Act (Dwelling Units):
Item	1964	1965	1966Starts	53,396	54,919	51,126Completions	51,183	45,494	59,8774.	Funds Committed by the GovernmentUnder the National	Housing	Act	Item	1964	1965	1966($000)	($000)	($000)Loans Approved	442,074	539,648	645,607Grants and Invest-	ments Approved	22,317	12,493	30,777Total	464,391	552,141	676,384


SYMBOLS USED BY POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT
Mr. McCleave: Which of the following symbols are being used by the Post Office Department this year (a) the Coat of Arms of Canada (b) Maple Leaf, containing the intertwined letters "CP." (c) an oval containing three maple leaves branching from one stem (d) a ring of ten maple leaves surmounted by a crown surrounding the intertwined letters "C.P." (e) a circle containing the words "Postes Canada Post" followed by five wavy lines (f) a ring containing the words "Servire Populo" surmounted by a crown and encircling a maple leaf with the letters "C.P." intertwined within the maple leaf?


Hon. Jean-Pierre Cote (Postmaster General):: (a), (b), (d), (e) and (f) are being used this year, (c) is not being used.


FRENCH EDITION OF &quot;AUDIT OFFICE GUIDE&quot;
Mr. Gregoire: 1.	Was or is Audit Office Guide, Catalogue No. FA3-258, published by the Queen's Printer, available in French and, if not, for what reason?
2.	Is it intended to publish this volume in French and, if not, for what reason?

May 8. 1967
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Mitchell William Sharp: The Auditor General's office advises as follows: 1. No French edition of the Audit Office Guide was prepared, presumably because there was no demand for it. The last edition of this guide which was released in January, 1958, is now out of print.
2. No, because this volume must be revised. Important changes have been and are continuing to be made in the financial management of departments of government. When these changes are substantially complete, the intention is that the Audit Office Guide be revised and a new edition released. The next edition will be made available in both official languages.


INDIAN AFFAIRS LAND PURCHASE, TERRACE, B.C.
Mr. Pugh: 1.	Did the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development purchase some 20 acres of land in Terrace, B.C., since the beginning of the present year?
2.	If so, what was the price paid, and who was the vendor?


Arthur Laing: 1. No.
2. Not applicable.


TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS ON CANADIAN SERVICEMEN IN EUROPE
Mr. Diefenbaker: 1.	What is the reason that Canadian servicemen in Europe are denied the right to visit several European countries including the U.S.S.R., Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Romania?
2.	Will the government give consideration to giving Canadian servicemen in Europe the same rights to visit these countries that the servicemen of the U.S.A. have?


Hon. Leo Cadieux (Associaie Minister of National Defence):: 1. NATO travel control requirements apply equally to all personnel serving under NATO. Each application made by Canadian servicemen for travel to the countries listed is assessed on its relationship to security.
2. As stated above, Canadian servicemen have the same visiting rights as United States servicemen under NATO with one exception, i.e. visits to Berlin. The subject of easing restrictions on visits to Berlin by Canadian servicemen is under review.


RETURNING OFFICER, ROBERVAL CONSTITUENCY, QUE.
Mr. Gauthier: Has a new returning officer been appointed for the constituency of Roberval, which remained unchanged in the last redistribution, and, if so (a) for what reason (b) what is the name of the new returning officer?


Mr. Albert Bechard (Parliamentary Secretary to Secretary of State):: Yes.
(a)	Mr. Edouard Duchesne, who held this position, has reached retirement age.
(b)	Mr. Roland Dion, 213 des Erables, Dol-beau, P.Q.


REFORESTED LAND IN QUEBEC
Mr. Gauthier: Of the 1,850,000 acres in Canada that were reforested from 1900 to 1965, as reported by the Minister of Forestry and Rural Development, how many are in the province of Quebec?


Hon. Maurice Sauve (Minister of Forestry and Rural Development):: 151,940 acres.


ENGINEERING REPORTS, PEMBINA RIVER PROJECT
Mr. Muir (Lisgar): 1.	Has the international joint commission received all the necessary engineering reports in regard to the Pembina river project in Manitoba and North Dakota?
2.	Has the commission approved these reports and, if so, is it now in a position to indicate when the project can be proceeded with?
3.	Where will the dam projects be located, what are the estimated costs and when does the government expect that tenders for construction of the projects will be called?


Paul Joseph James Martin: In so far as the Department of External Affairs is concerned: 1. The International Joint Commission has received the report of the international Pembina river engineering board.
2.	The International Joint Commission is now considering the terms of the report and recommendations that it is to make to the Canadian and United States governments.
3.	When the governments receive the recommendations of the commission, they will be in a position to consider what action should be taken on them.
May 8, 1967


AIR TRAFFIC, REGINA AND SASKATOON
Mr. Waison (Assiniboia): 1.	How many scheduled Air Canada flights were there out of Regina airport in 1965 and in 1966?
2.	How many scheduled Air Canada flights were there out of Saskatoon airport in 1965 and in 1966?
3.	How many passengers arrived and departed from the Regina airport in 1965 and in 1966?
4.	How many passengers arrived and departed from the Saskatoon airport in 1965 and in 1966?
5.	How many scheduled flights were there by other airlines that operate on a time schedule from these airports in the years 1965 and 1966?


James Allen (Jim) Byrne: 1. There were 2,938 scheduled Air Canada flights out of Regina airport in 1965 and 3,037 in 1966 (regular and extra sections).
2.	There were 2,296 scheduled Air Canada flights out of Saskatoon airport in 1965 and 2,530 in 1966 (regular and extra sections).
3.	The number of passengers enplaned at Regina airport on scheduled and other unit toll services was 81,078 in 1965 and 93,220 in 1966. From a 15.3 per cent (approximately) sample, it is estimated that in 1965 120,519 passengers arrived, 80,230 deplaned and 121,367 departed, and that in 1966 141,830 passengers arrived, 92,420 deplaned and 142,630 departed.
4.	The number of passengers enplaned at Saskatoon airport on scheduled services was 53,194 in 1965 and 61,736 in 1966. From a 15.3 per cent (approximately) sample, it is estimated that in 1965 80,725 passengers arrived, 51,643 deplaned and 82,725 departed, and that in 1966 91,318 passengers arrived, 60,328 deplaned and 92,726 departed.
5.	The number of flights operated on a time schedule by airlines other than Air Canada out of Regina airport was 900 in 1965 and 1,350 in 1966. Out of Saskatoon airport, the number of scheduled and extra flights other than those of Air Canada was 985 in 1965 and 1,049 in 1966.


IMPLEMENTATION OF METRIC SYSTEM
Mr. Stefanson: Is the government giving consideration to implementing the metric system in Canada and, if so, what steps have been taken towards this and what further steps are now contemplated?


Jean-Charles Cantin: Please refer to answer given to question No. 2,353 as tabled in Hansard No. 198 of February 1, 1967, page 12516, which reads as
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follows: "No. There is no comprehensive program at present to promote the wider use of the metric system in Canada. Encouragement is being given to the study of the subject in various sectors of Canadian industry, particularly with respect to the impact on export trade. Any consideration of the adoption of the metric system of measurement must take into account the requirements in Canada's main export markets and practices in the countries which are the principal sources of Canadian imports of technology."


N.C.C. ATTENDANCE AT EASTERN ONTARIO DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL MEETINGS
Mr. Bell (Carleton): 1.	Did any member or official of the national capital commission attend any of the meetings or functions of the eastern Ontario development council at Ottawa on April 19, 1967?
2.	If so, what members or officials?
3.	If not, why did the national capital commission overlook the opportunity of contact and discussion with the mayors, reeves and municipal councillors of all municipalities in the national capital region and of other parts of eastern Ontario?


George James McIlraith: 1. No.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	Chairman of National Capital Commission received a notification, not an invitation, of the meeting and a card which was to be returned indicating whether or not he could attend. Having previous commitments, card was returned regretting inability to attend meeting.


CORPORATION TO TAKE OVER DOSCO COAL OPERATION
Mr. Douglas: When the crown corporation proposed by the federal government to take over the DOSCO coal operation is established, is it the intention of the government to have the present miners' pension continued?


Jean-Luc Pepin: The matter of pensions is one of the many items to be dealt with in the legislation dealing with the new crown corporation, to be introduced in the house in the near future.


AIRFIELD EXTENSION, WIARTON, ONT.
Mr. Noble: 1.	Is it the intention of the Department of Transport to extend the Wiarton airfield?
2.	If so, would regular air travel service be made available?

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James Allen (Jim) Byrne: 1. There are no present plans to extend the runways at Wiar-ton airport.
2. Not applicable.


NATIONAL PARKS
Mr. Soulham: 1.	What was the total attendance In Canada's national parks in the years 1964, 1965 and 1966?
2.	What plans has the government for the development of further national parks in Canada in the years 1967, 1968 and 1969, and where will they be located?


Arthur Laing: 1. Fiscal years, 1964/65, 9,179,028; 1965/66, 9,845,283; 1966/67, 11,367,912.
2. Negotiations are currently under way for the possible establishment of several new national parks. It is hoped that agreements will be reached for at least one new national park in each of the years 1967, 1968 and 1969. However, because under present policy land for new national parks must be turned over to the federal government free of all encumbrances by the provincial government concerned it is considered it would not be in the public interest to identify specific sites until a joint announcement can be made by the federal and provincial governments.


EXPANSION OF AIR TRANSPORT FACILITIES FOR CENTENNIAL YEAR
Mr. Soulham: 1.	What plans has the government under the air transport policy to step up Canada's national air passenger, air express, and air freight service in keeping with demand in Canada's centennial year?
2.	Will runways suitable to accommodate jet planes be developed at the Regina air terminal in 1967 in time to allow the servicing of passenger and tourist travel to and from Canada's world fair at Montreal.


James Allen (Jim) Byrne: 1. Close contact with air lines has been maintained for this purpose.
2. The Regina airport is capable of accommodating jet aircraft at the present time.


REMUNERATION TO PROFESSOR NORMAN WARD
Mr. Cowan: What remuneration has been paid Professor Norman Ward of the University of Saskatchewan, 
for the following services (a) as a member of the committee on election expenses (b) as a member of the electoral boundaries commission for Saskatchewan (c) as a commentator on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation networks?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: I am informed by the Representation Commissioner, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and my department as follows: (a) March 1965 to November 1966: $5,412.50. (b) $2,200.
(c)	It has not been customary to require the C.B.C. to disclose payments to individuals.


INSTRUCTIONS TO MANPOWER CENTRES ON ANTI-DISCRIMINATION POLICIES
Mr. Orlikow: 1.	Were instructions issued to all Canada manpower centres by the Canada manpower division of the Department of Manpower and Immigration, on or about December 4, 1966, and February 27, 1967, the effect of which was to cancel all directives and instructions previously issued to the national employment service offices by the Unemployment Insurance Commission and the Department of Labour, with respect to the Canada Fair Employment Practices Act and its antidiscrimination policies?
2.	Will the Minister of Manpower and Immigration table copies of the instructions issued to the Canada manpower centres on or about December 4, 1966, and February 27, 1967, by the Canada Manpower Division?


John Carr Munro: 1. No. The instructions on anti-discrimination measures are included in employment circular No. 233-1 which remains in effect.
2. Yes. They will be tabled today by the minister.


FIREBOAT PROTECTION, MONTREAL HARBOUR
Mr. Peters: Is there any real fireboat protection for the port of Montreal during Expo '67 and, if not, has the Minister of Transport conducted or does he intend to conduct a study of the feasibility of equipping the National Harbours Board tug, Sir Hugh Allan which is located at Montreal, as a fireboat fully equipped with a fire nozzle tower and other up-to-date firefighting equipment?


James Allen (Jim) Byrne: The National Harbours Board advises as follows: Fireboat services are available at Montreal harbour. The use of the Sir Hugh Allan as a fireboat is not considered to be practical.
May 8, 1967


INDUSTRIAL MISSION TO FRANCE
Mr. Schreyer: 1.	Did a specially constituted Canadian government industrial mission travel to France in 1966?
2.	If so (a) what was the purpose of this mission (b) what was the cost of this special mission and what was the cost per major item (c) what results have been achieved as a result to date?


Jean-Charles Cantin: 1. A Canadian economic mission to France was staged during the period June 3 to June 16, 1966.
2. (a) The objective of the mission was to promote closer economic and trade relations between France and Canada by drawing to the attention of the respective business communities in each country the prospective benefits to be derived from closer relationships with counterparts in the other country, both at the individual company level and at the trade or industry association level. The mission examined and reported upon prospects for expansion, on a reciprocal basis, of technical co-operation at the industry level, of investment and of continuing links between like national organizations.
(b)	The total cost of the mission was $41,121.88. Of this $15,586.48 was spent for transportation, $22,943.97 for accommodation, $1,800.75 for receptions, $361.30 for printing of publicity and brochures, freight, express, stationery and other miscellaneous costs $429.38.
(c)	Results are to be measured by the degree and extent to which individual members of the respective business communities, or their group organizations, take steps to intensify past and establish new relationships with counterparts in the other country. The report has been widely distributed within Canada and the response from trade and industrial associations, and from chambers of commerce and boards of trade, on behalf of their memberships has been very gratifying. A similar response has been noted in France.
Government will of course do all that it can to encourage, further and facilitate initiatives taken by private business. For example, this department is enlarging its program of participation in trade fairs in France and is increasing its trade missions vis-a-vis France. For its part, the government of France is actively encouraging closer economic and trade relations between its businessmen and ours: more than 50 French businessmen and professional groups are on record with the business development bureau of Expo 67 there
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will be a series of "technical weeks" at which prospects for increased relationship in a succession of industry sectors will be examined.


DEFENCE AND ENERGY COMMISSION PAY RATES
Mr. Schreyer: What are the current pay rates of the Canadian defence establishment, Beausejour, Manitoba, and the Atomic Energy Commission establishment at Whiteshell, Manitoba, for the following job classifications: labourer; painter; plumber; electrician; carpenter; mechanic; heavy equipment operator; driver (heavy); driver?


Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh: In so far as the Department of National Defence is concerned the current rate of pay of the Canadian defence establishment, Beausejour, Manitoba for the classes mentioned is as follows:
	per hr.
Labourer	$1.85
Painter	2.50
Plumber	2.90
Electrician	3.00
Carpenter	2.65
Mechanic (motor)	2.05
Heavy equipment operator	2.30
Driver (heavy)	2.05
Driver	1.90
In so far as Atomic Energy of Canada is concerned: Pursuant to recently concluded col-	
lective agreement-	per hr.
Labourer/j anitor	2.13
Driver	2.43
Rates payable under current collective agree-	
ment being renegotiated and	before conciliation board-	per hr.
Painter (spray)	2.66
Painter (normal)	2.58
Plumber	2.97
Electrician	2.97
Carpenter Mechanic (machinists &	2.91
millwrights)	2.97
Mechanic (automotive) Heavy equipment operator	2.97
Shovel operator	2.94
Mobile crane operator	2.46
Loader operator	2.39
Farm tractor operator	2.13
Driver (heavy)	2.46

May 8, 1967
Orders for Returns
QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS	COMMISSIONS ON SALES OF EXPO TICKETS
FOR RETURNS	and PASSPORTS


PURCHASES IN CANADA IN SUPPORT OF WAR IN VIET NAM
Mr. Souiham: 1.	What is the direct impact upon the Canadian economy of foreign purchases in support of military activity in Viet Nam, in terms of (a) quantities of Canadian raw materials, semi-finished products, finished products, components (b) export value, in the same categories (c) direct employment of Canadian citizens?
2.	What is the current and the long term impact of the above, on the basis of contracts which have been (a) arranged or sponsored directly by the government of Canada or any of its agencies (b) allocated by foreign corporations to their own Canadian subsidiaries (c) arranged directly on the corporate initiative of Canadian-controlled companies?
3.	To what extent are Canadian exports (as described in part 1 (a) above) being purchased by or on behalf of any foreign government (a) to replace other supplies or products thereby released for direct use in the Viet Nam conflict (b) to assist in the training of any foreign government's armed forces for the Viet Nam conflict?
4.	What is the government of Canada now doing, or proposing to do, to ensure that (a) Canadian controlled companies, including banks (b) Canadian subsidiaries of foreign corporations, are able in their individual corporate capacities to make and give effect to decisions appropriate to the functioning of their usual business operations-all within the framework of Canada's own foreign policy and without 'direction' or 'persuasion' from governmental or corporation sources in any foreign country?
Return tabled.


FEDERAL ADVERTISING PLACEMENTS
Mr. Schreyer: 1.	Is all government of Canada advertisement placements administered through one co-ordinating office, or is this a matter for each department or agency to administer?
2.	What is the name of the director or directors in charge of government of Canada advertisement placement?
3.	What is the budget for advertising for each department and agency of government in the current fiscal year?
4.	How many advertising agencies are retained on account of the government of Canada and what are the names of these agencies and how much has been paid to each in this and the preceding fiscal year?
5.	Of the total number of advertising agencies holding an account with the government of Canada, how many were holding government accounts in (a) 1961 (b) 1964?
Return tabled.
[Miss LaMarsh.l

Question No. 2,663-Mr. Webb:
1.	What organizations are eligible to receive a commission on the advance sale of Expo tickets or passports?
2.	What is the total commission paid to date?
3.	Who were the recipients of the commissions paid to date?
Return tabled.


FEDERAL COMMERCIAL OFFICES ABROAD
Mr. Allard: 1.	In what countries does Canada maintain commercial government offices, services or agencies?
2.	Are these commercial branches located in Canadian embassy offices or outside embassy offices?
3.	What are the functions and the operations of these commercial branches?
4. In each of these countries, how many employees of Canadian origin and how many locally hired employees does Canada retain and pay?
5. In each of these countries, how many employees working in the commercial branch (a) speak French as their mother tongue (b) speak English as their mother tongue (c) are bilingual in terms of Canada's two official languages (d) speak French or English and another language which is not one of Canada's two official languages?
6.	In those countries and cities in which Quebec has representatives or commercial offices, is there any collaboration or consultation between the Quebec representatives and Canada's commercial representatives?
7.	In what language do Canadian government commercial offices advertise abroad?
8.	How do the employees of these commercial branches go about interesting foreigners in doing business or investing in certain Canadian provinces?
Return tabled.


CONTRACTS WITHOUT TREASURY BOARD APPROVAL
Mr. Schreyer: 1.	Since February, 1965, in how many instances did the Department of Transport and the Department of Defence production enter into contracts involving amounts in excess of $25,000 without the approval of treasury board?
2.	In cases of entering into contract without treasury board approval, were tenders called in each case?
3.	How many contracts were let without tender being called and what was the value of each?
4.	By what authority does the Department of Transport and the Department of Defence Production enter into contracts exceeding $15,000 value without treasury board approval?
Return tabled.
May 8, 1967


DISPOSAL OF CAMP WAINWRIGHT BUILDINGS
Mr. Brand: 1.	How many bids were received on the 71 buildings from Camp Wainwright, Alberta, recently sold by Crown Assets Disposal Corporation?
2.	What are the names of those individuals or groups who submitted tenders?
3.	Who was awarded the tender and what was the amount of the successful tender?
4.	In deciding the successful tender was any consideration given to charitable or community organizations in preference to those who are interested mainly in speculative purchasing?
Return tabled.


JUDGMENT OF BIDDERS ON GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS
Mr. Caouette: 1.	What criteria does the government use in judging the financial stability of persons bidding on government projects?
2.	What method does the government use to determine the capacity of the bidder to complete work within a prescribed deadline?
Return tabled.


CONSOLIDATED REVENUE FUND
Mr. Caouelle: 1.	What are the components of the consolidated revenue fund?
2.	What specific use is made of the consolidated revenue fund?
3.	How many warrants were issued to obtain money from the consolidated revenue fund (a) during the years 1964, 1965 and 1966 (b) in what amount in each case (c) for what purpose in each case?
4.	What factors are used to determine the urgency and the necessity of obtaining money from the consolidated Revenue fund?
Return tabled.


FEDERAL EXPENDITURES ON ALCOHOLISM
Mr. Caouelle: What was the total amount spent by the federal government for the years 1965-66,	1964-65 and
1963-64, in each province, for the (a) rehabilitation of alcoholics (b) education of the population with regard to alcoholism?
Return tabled.


EXPENDITURES OF DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES
Mr. Caouelle: In the following departments and agencies: Agriculture, Citizenship and Immigration, Finance, Fisheries, Forestry and Rural Development, Industry,
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Mines and Technical Surveys, National Health and Welfare, Northern Affairs and National Resources, Post Office, Public Works, Trade and Commerce, Transport, Unemployment Insurance Commission, Veterans Affairs, Farm Credit Corporation, Industrial Development Bank (a) what was the total amount spent by these departments or agencies during the years 1965-66, 1964-65 and 1963-64 (b) what was the total amount paid by such departments to interested taxpayers, as loans, grants, etc., for the years 1965-66, 1964-65 and 1963-64 (c) what amount was paid in each province, during the same years?
Return tabled.


&quot;TWENTY ETHNIC SONGS FROM WESTERN CANADA&quot;
Mr. Mandziuk: 1.	How many copies of the booklet "Twenty Ethnic Songs from Western Canada" were published and at what cost?
2.	Are other such publications planned by the Secretary of State?
3.	On what authoritative basis have the Doukho-bors and Mennonites been designated as ethnic groups in Canada?
4.	What cultural organizations or scholars were consulted about the material in said booklet?
Return tabled.


RESTORATION OF LOUISBOURG FORTRESS
Mrs. Maclnnis (Vancou-ver-Kingsway): 1.	At the time contracts were awarded for the restoration of the Fortress of Louisbourg, did the government deal with any of the following firms or their agents in Sydney and/or locally in Louisbourg and district: J. W. Stephens Ltd.: Chappells Ltd.; M. R. Chappell; Maritime Cement; Atlantic Spring and Machine; Canadian General Electric; Northern Electric; Imperial Oil; Irving Oil Co.; Municipal Ready Mix; D. & B. Concrete; Steel City Sales; Canadian Pittsburg Ltd.; Mira Lumber Co,; Dominion Rubber Co.; Canadian Johns-Man-ville; Warrander Photographic Services; Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co.; Kirshner Camera Supplies; Pari Photo Services; Canadian Kodak Sales; Hudson Photographic Industries and, if so, with what firms or what agents for what firms in Sydney and/or Louisbourg and district?
2.	What were the details of the services and/or materials provided for the Fortress of Louisbourg restoration project by (a) Donald Beaver, September 18, 1961, $1,000; November 15, 1961, $4,000; August 6, 1962, $2,250 and $300; September 13,
1962,	$3,500; April 24,	1963, $300; December 4,1963,	$300; December 18, 1963, $300	(b) M. R.Chappell, September 13, 1962, $400; August 27, 1962, $725; March 27, 1963, $440 (c) MaCaulays Garages, October 25, 1961, $13,144 (purchase order No. 17344) (d) Island Motors, January 23,	1962,	$4,103.40
(purchase order No. 20980); April 15, 1965, $500 (purchase order No. 32900) (e) Mrs. D. Pearl MaCaulay, June 27. 1962, $14,850 (purchase order No 04517) (f) Lewis and Company, April 1, 1964, $2,000 (purchase order No. 22153-2); February 28, 1966, $2,000 (purchase order No. 40742) (g) William Dalton, June 14, 1962, $1,200 and $962?
Return tabled.
15522	COMMONS
Inquiries of the Ministry ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE


STEVEN TRUSCOTT- CONSIDERATION OF GRANTING OF PAROLE
[Stage Direction]
On the orders of the day:
Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Leader of the Opposition):: Mr. Speaker, in the absence of the Minister of Justice and the Solicitor General I direct my question to the Prime Minister. It has to do with the decision reached by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Truscott case which finalizes the legal proceedings and in my view denies any further consideration by parliament in any way.
However, there still remains the question of parole. Is the Prime Minister in a position to say whether the parole board is now examining this question, and when we may expect a decision? I ask this within the general purview of the usual course of the Queen's mercy being granted during celebration years, and particularly in this centennial year. Is the government giving consideration to a general examination of the records of those now in penal institutions with a view to having their sentences reduced and releases granted?


Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister):: Mr. Speaker, the right hon. gentleman has asked me two questions. The first refers specifically to a case which was submitted by the government to the Supreme Court of Canada. That court was asked to answer certain questions. The court has done that, and I have nothing to say in respect of that particular report from the Supreme Court.
In respect of the larger question of commutation during centennial year, I should not like to say anything at this moment. I will be glad to discuss the matter with the Minister of Justice and the Solicitor General. It has a wider connotation than the particular case under consideration.


John George Diefenbaker: Mr. Speaker, will the Prime Minister say whether there has been discussion with the members of the parole board as to the release on parole of Steven Truscott?


Lester Bowles Pearson: I cannot answer that question as to whether or not there has been any discussion with the parole board. Certainly this has not been discussed by me, and in order to answer I would have to check with the ministers directly concerned. It must be understood by the house that it is a very

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delicate matter for the government to intervene with the parole board in respect of the commutation of sentence.


John George Diefenbaker: So there will be no misunderstanding, Mr. Speaker, let me say that there is no suggestion of intervention but rather a simple question in respect of what information the government can provide.


Mr. Sianley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):: A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. May I ask the Prime Minister whether the government will consider discussing with the parole board the possibility of acting in this case under section 8 of the Parole Act?


Lester Bowles Pearson: Mr. Speaker, I will be glad to look into that particular possibility.


Mr. Andrew Brewin (Greenwood):: I have a further supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. I should like to ask the Prime Minister whether the government will consider referring those aspects arising in the Truscott case which were not before the Supreme Court of Canada to the committee on justice and legal affairs.


Lester Bowles Pearson: Mr. Speaker, I certainly would not like to deal with that particular matter at this moment during orders of the day.


EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
[Stage Direction]
On the orders of the day:
Mr. T. C. Douglas (Burnaby-Coquiilam):: Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Secretary of State for External Affairs, asking him whether the government of Canada is continuing diplomatic relations with the new regime in Greece, and whether he has anything to report as to the relationship between the government of Canada and the new regime.


Paul Joseph James Martin: Mr. Speaker, I may have
something to say in greater detail later in the week. At this time there has been no change in the position of the head of state of Greece and consequently Canada as well as certain other friendly governments continue to have diplomatic relations with that government.


Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas: I have a supplementary question. Have any representations been made to
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the new regime in Greece particularly in respect of the safety of political prisoners and the rescinding of the provision which eliminated the death penalty for political prisoners? If so, what replies have been received?


Mr, Marlin (Essex East):: The Canadian charge d'affaires in Athens has made inquiries about one particular situation and in respect of the security of certain other political personalities. The responses available to us in all cases have been that their security has not been imperilled.



AGRICULTURE


[Stage Direction]
On the orders of the day:
Mr. Real Caoueile (Villeneuve):: Mr. Speaker, I should like to put a question to the Minister of Agriculture.
In view of the fact that the Canadian Federation of Agriculture is organizing a march on Ottawa for the 24th of this month, is the minister now considering the possibility of changing or improving the dairy policy announced by the government on April 1 last?


Hon. J. J. Greene (Minister of Agriculture):: Mr. Speaker, I have had meetings with the dairy farmers of Canada and other farm representatives. If any change were to be announced it would of course be announced in the house or otherwise in the proper way.



FINANCE


[Stage Direction]
On the orders of the day:
Mr. Bert Leboe (Cariboo):: Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Finance. Since there is a great deal of concern over the postponement or cancellation of many projects in British Columbia, particularly in the mining industry, amounting to close to $500 million, I wonder whether the minister has anything to report on this matter. This has to do with the report of the Carter commission.


Mitchell William Sharp: I have no report to make today, Mr. Speaker.

Inquiries of the Ministry FISHERIES



INQUIRY AS TO ESTABLISHMENT OF GEOGRAPHIC CO-ORDINATES

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On the orders of the day:
Mr. T. S. Barnett (Comox-Alberni):: Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Secretary of State for External Affairs which may not have an unfamiliar ring to him. I would like to ask whether the "soon" he has mentioned has arrived and whether this is the day in this session when he can tell us what has happened about the establishment of base line co-ordinates for our fishing zones.


Paul Joseph James Martin: Pretty soon, Mr. Speaker.


Some hon. Members:: Oh, oh.



ALBERTA-NEGOTIATIONS RESPECTING FREIGHT RATES ON SHIPMENTS TO JAPAN

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Mr. David Lewis (York South):: Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Transport and ask if he could inform the house what progress, if any, has been made in the negotiations between the coal interests in Alberta and the C.P.R. relating to certain freight rates in connection with a possible contract for the purchase of coal by Japan.


Hon. J. W. Pickersgill (Minister of Transport):: Mr. Speaker, I do not think I can give a brief answer to this important question, but I can assure the hon. gentleman and the house that it is being given the most urgent consideration by the government.



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On the orders of the day:
John George Diefenbaker: Mr. Speaker, is the Secretary of State for External Affairs in a position to inform the house whether he has received any favourable support from any of the nations involved in connection with the suggestions made by the Canadian government regarding the situation in Viet Nam? Has any representation been made to Washington by the government of Canada in the past 10 days
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Inquiries of the Ministry suggesting that a pause of one day to be made at this time be extended over a period of weeks to enable the possibility of a resort to the conference table?


Paul Joseph James Martin: Mr. Speaker, there have been recent discussions between the government of Canada and particular governments involved in the situation in Viet Nam. In so far as the government of the United States is concerned, in the suggestions that were made by the Canadian government based on the Geneva accords for a physical disengagement in the demilitarized zone, the government of Canada pointed out that this involved a cessation of bombing against the north, or any military action from the south or elsewhere against the north. We have not had any reaction from the government of the United States to this phase of the suggestions that we have put forward.


Some hon. Members:: Explain.


John George Diefenbaker: Mr. Speaker, were it not that the minister is noted for his clarity I would ask for an explanation. However, I will put a further question to him. Has there been any acceptance of the suggestion that the neutral zone be widened? When the minister states that there should be a pause, did he mean a pause within the suggested additional neutral area?


Paul Joseph James Martin: Mr. Speaker, the Canadian government has not suggested an expansion of the area of the demilitarized zone. This was a proposal made by the government of the United States. The first proposal of the Canadian government was that there should be a degree of physical disengagement by all the parties. We took the position that this would have to include the bombings and any other military action against North Viet Nam, whether actually undertaken from South Viet Nam or from some other point of origin.


John George Diefenbaker: Was there any reaction from North Viet Nam?


Mr. Martin (Essex Easf):: The Canadian commissioner, Mr. Dier, was in Hanoi from April 31 until the middle of last week. He has had discussions with top personalities in the government of the north, and as the result of a request made by the government of the

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north I am not at liberty to communicate to the house the nature of those conversations.


Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas: On
a supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, may I ask the minister whether in view of his statement in New York during a press interview we can take it that the proposals he advanced on behalf of the Canadian government were not fully acceptable to the government of the United States?


Mr.   Marlin@Essex East: I do not believe the four propositions were fully acceptable to the government of the United States. I have already implied this in the reply I made to the right hon. gentleman a few moments ago, when I said that the proposal for a degree of physical disengagement would involve cessation of bombing.


Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas: I have a further supplementary, Mr. Speaker. May I ask the minister which of the four proposals made by the Canadian government were not acceptable to the government of the United States? Was it only the one on bombing, or were there others?


Mr.   Marlin@Essex Easl: There was no particularization by the United States government respecting any one of the four proposals, but I should think that the second, third and fourth proposals would probably be acceptable.


Mr. David MacDonald (Prince):: Mr. Speaker, earlier in the session the minister indicated that the external aid department was looking into the possibility of bringing Vietnamese civilians to Canada for rehabilitation. I wonder whether we can expect a progress report on that particular plan.


Mr.   Marlin@Essex Easl: Mr. Speaker, I have nothing to report at the moment.


David Samuel Horne MacDonald: On a supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, may I ask the minister when we can expect a report. I believe this has been under consideration for some time.


Mr.   Marlin@Essex Easl: Yes.



LABOUR CONDITIONS


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David Réal Caouette: Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Manpower and Immigration.
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In view of the fact that the National Harbours Board, with the approval of the government, has rented the grain elevators to an American company, the Bunge Company of New York, is the minister aware that a hundred employees of such elevators have been laid off quite recently and is it his intention to take measures to find out the reasons for such mass lay-offs?


Jean Marchand: Mr. Speaker, the grain elevators of Quebec have been transferred to the Bunge Company under the contract that has been signed. We are confident, I would even say highly confident, that this will increase employment in grain elevators.
We are now going through a transition period which will last a few weeks. I think that it is too soon to answer the hon. member's question.


David Réal Caouette: A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker.
Is the minister aware that some employees with 14, 15 and even 20 years of service have been laid off and can he tell us if they will be the first to be hired should the company decide to increase the number of employees?


Jean Marchand: Mr. Speaker, we are interested in what happens to the employees. It is likely that within a few weeks I will be able to give the hon. member a more definite answer.



REQUEST FOR STATEMENT RESPECTING NUMBER OF UNEMPLOYED

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Mr. Eric A. Winkler (Grey-Bruce):: Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Secretary of State for External Affairs whether he could comment on the status of the half million people who are unemployed; and does he have any answers?


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. The question as asked is not in order.



HOUSING


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On the orders of the day:
Mr. A. D. Hales (Wellington South):: Mr. Speaker, I should like to address a question to
Inquiries of the Ministry the Minister of Labour who is responsible for housing. In view of the drastic situation and the shortage of houses, particularly in Toronto and the surrounding area, where families have to be housed in one of the armoury buildings because of the shortage of housing, can the minister advise the house what steps are being taken to relieve this serious situation?


John Robert (Jack) Nicholson: Mr. Speaker, I hope to make a statement on the subject of housing within the next few days, in the new session. I have nothing to say on the subject today.



PUBLIC SERVICE


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Stanley Howard Knowles: Mr. Speaker, in the absence of the Prime Minister-I assume he has gone to the other place-may I direct a question to the President of the Treasury Board. In view of the recommendation in the report tabled this morning by the special joint committee on the public service of Canada for increases in the pensions of retired civil servants, may I ask whether the government will consider taking action on this matter early in the new session?


Hon. E. J. Benson (Minister of National Revenue and President of the Treasury Board):: Mr. Speaker, of course I have not as yet read the report, as it is the product of the committee, but I can assure my hon. friend that as always the government will give the committee's report due consideration.



INQUIRY OF THE MINISTRY

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On the orders of the day:
Mr. G. W. Baldwin (Peace River):: Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Acting Minister of Justice. In view of the statement made by the premier of Quebec would the government not review its position-


Mr. Speaker:: Order, please. I wonder
whether the hon. member might not ask his question later on, or perhaps put it on the order paper.


Gerald William Baldwin: I will take it up later on, Mr. Speaker.

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Royal Assent



THE ROYAL ASSENT

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A message was delivered by Major C. R. Lamoureux, Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, as follows:
Mr. Speaker, the Honourable the Deputy Governor General desires the immediate attendance of this honourable house in the chamber of the honourable the Senate.
Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the house went up to the Senate chamber.
In the Senate Chamber, the Deputy Governor General was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the royal assent to the following bills:
An act respecting Interprovincial Pipe Line Company.
An act to incorporate Anniversary Life Insurance Company.
An act respecting La Soci£t£ des Artisans.
An act to incorporate Laurier Life Insurance Company.
An act to amend the National Defence Act and other acts in consequence thereof.
An act respecting the occupational training of adults.
An act to amend the Income Tax Act.
To these bills the royal assent was pronounced by the Clerk of the Senate in the following words:
In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy Governor General doth assent to these bills.
Then the Speaker of the House of Commons addressed the Deputy Governor General as follows:
May it please Your Honour:
The Commons of Canada have voted supplies required to enable the government to defray certain expenses of the public service.
In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following bill:
An act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1968.
To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's assent.
To this bill the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy Governor General, did thereupon say:
In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy Governor General thanks her loyal subjects, accepts their benevolence and assents to this bill.

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After which the Deputy Governor General was pleased to close the first session of the twenty seventh parliament of Canada with the following speech:

Honourable Members of the Senate:
Members of the House of Commons:
During the first Session of the twenty-seventh Parliament, which opened on January 18th, 1966, much important legislation has been enacted and many government actions of great significance have been approved.
The hearts of all Canadians were saddened during this session by the death of our distinguished and well-beloved Governor-General, His Excellency General Georges P. Vanier. His selfless devotion to duty during a lifetime of public service will always be an inspiration and an example to all.
Recognizing the vital importance to Canada of effective administration of our public affairs, early in the session you approved a measure providing for an extensive reorganization affecting certain departments of the government to enable them to respond more appropriately to the needs they serve, and to facilitate closer co-ordination in various fields of government activity. You also have enacted three measures which together make provision for a complete transformation of the processes of personnel management in the Public Service of Canada. They provide for the introduction of collective bargaining and for the continuation and extension of the merit principle of appointment under an independent Public Service Commission. My government has also announced a series of programmes designed to encourage the development of bilingual skills within the Public Service of Canada.
Following an important Federal-Provincial Conference held in October, major improvements were made in the fiscal arrangements with the provincial governments. A new system of equalization payments was introduced which will enable all provincial governments to provide a reasonably comparable level of basic services. A new revenue stabilization policy will protect provinces against serious declines in total revenues. Substantial additional financial resources have also been made available to the provinces in respect of the costs of post-secondary education.
You have completed the first comprehensive review of the Bank Act in the past decade, and have approved a measure amending that Act to bring it into line with present day needs. This statute completes the most thorough and far-reaching revision of our banking legislation that has ever been made, and will increase the degree of competition and flexibility both within the banking system and between the banks and other financial institutions, thereby improving the service available to the people of Canada. A further step in the strengthening of our financial system was the adoption of legislation to establish the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation.
Approval was given to the Canada-U.S. agreement on automotive products. My government regards this agreement as one of the most important trading arrangements ever made between Canada and the United States. It has already led to a substantial increase in production and employment in the automotive industry, and to a significant decrease in the imbalance of trade between the two countries in these products.
In recognition of the importance of science and technology to Canada's industrial and economic well-being, you approved during this session a measure to provide incentives to increased activity in industrial research and development
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You have approved the National Transportation Act which will provide a completely new basis for an overall approach to the development of transportation in Canada. This measure defines a national transportation policy suited to modern requirements in this country and provides for the establishment of a national transportation authority to give effect to the policy. It provides for new methods of fixing freight rates and for the rationalization of branch lines. Through these and other provisions, the Act will be of major assistance to the continuing economic growth of the country.
You have enacted legislation authorizing the unification of the Canadian Armed Forces. This makes possible the completion of the reorganization begun in 1964.
You were obliged to give consideration to labour disputes of serious concern to the national interest. My government, deeply aware of the human as well as the economic price of work stoppages, has appointed a Task Force of highly qualified persons to examine, as a matter of urgency, the many aspects of labour-management relations and to make recommendations for their improvement.
You have amended the Fair Wages and Hours of Labour Act so that standards prescribed in the Canada Labour (Standards) Code concerning hours of work and minimum hourly rates of pay will be applicable to Government construction contracts. You have also amended the Code to ensure that longshoremen who work for more than one employer may qualify for general holidays. The Canada Labour (Safety) Code that you have enacted constitutes Canada's first national safety code and is an important addition to the body of labour law applying to industries within federal jurisdiction.
You have adopted a measure to make crop insurance applicable to all phases of agriculture and to make the program more attractive to Canadian farmers. The establishment of the Canadian Dairy Commission represents an important milestone for Canadian agriculture. Measures were also enacted to provide assistance to livestock feeders in Eastern Canada and British Columbia, and to establish a fund for the economic and social development of special rural development areas.
Under the provisions of the Fisheries Development Act, passed during the session, fishery development activities are being intensified in cooperation with the governments of the provinces and with the fishing industry.
My government has continued in its efforts to work for the co-ordination of measures to reduce poverty and increase security in all parts of Canada. In this connection, a measure has been passed providing for guaranteed income supplements for recipients of old age security. You have also enacted legislation introducing the Canada Assistance Plan to provide assistance to persons and families in need.
A measure of particular importance enacted during the past session was the Medical Care Act which provided for the commencement in Canada of a national Medical Care Program. This measure will make a major contribution toward the improvement of the health of the people of Canada and toward the mitigation of domestic financial crises caused by illness.
You have approved legislation authorizing the establishment of a Health Resources Fund to provide financial assistance to the provinces to aid
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them in research and in the training of health personnel.
You have passed legislation to encourage the occupational training of adult Canadians by the payment of training allowances and by providing for the federal purchase of training services through the facilities of the provinces and of industry.
Under the provisions of a major extension of the National Housing Act, Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation has been authorized to insure loans made by approved lenders and make direct loans to persons who intend to purchase, improve and occupy existing housing. To assist provinces and municipalities in continuing their efforts to combat soil and water pollution, the period of forgiveness for loans made on sewage treatment projects has been extended three years to March 1970. Mortgage loans have also been made available for the provision of student housing at vocational and training schools, training hospitals and schools for special groups of handicapped people.
In order to provide young people with increased opportunities for service to the community, you have approved a measure to establish the Company of Young Canadians.
In the last Session of Parliament before the day marking the Centennial of Confederation, it was appropriate that attention should be given to some of the symbolic and non-material aspects of our nationhood. The achievement that began with the adoption of our national flag was carried forward with the approval of "O Canada" as our national anthem. My government also announced the approval by Her Majesty the Queen of the Order of Canada as a means of recognizing service of special quality and merit to our country.
Looking to another aspect of the quality of our national life, my government has established a Royal Commission to inquire into and report upon the status of women in Canada and upon the steps the government might take to ensure for women equal opportunities with men in all aspects of Canadian society.
My government has tabled a white paper setting forth its views with regard to future broadcasting policy. This statement, together with the report of the Standing Committee of the House of Commons on the subject, will provide the general background for the legislation on broadcasting which is soon to be Introduced.
You have enacted a measure to provide for the establishment of a National Arts Centre, which will be the principal centennial project in the National Capital and will have beneficial effects for the periorming arts in Canada. You have also passed legislation to establish the Canadian Film Development Corporation which will help to stimulate the film industry in this country.
You have approved a measure establishing rights of appeal to an independent tribunal both by persons ordered to be deported and by Canadians wishing to sponsor the admission of certain relatives to Canada. A White Paper defining the principles of immigration policy has been presented for your consideration.
Many other important items of legislation were approved in this Session of Parliament which has been one of the most productive in our history. My government is conscious, however, that the need for legislative change and reform in Canada is greater today, and more constantly demanding, than at any period in our history. The accomplishments of this Session of Parliament must, therefore, be regarded less as a source of satisfaction
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Prorogation than as an indication of the pace and scope of change that must be maintained and increased if the needs of the country are to be met. Members of the House of Commons: I thank you for the provision you have made for the public services in the current fiscal year.	Honourable Members of the Senate: Members of the House of Commons: May Divine Providence continue to bless our country. This concluded the first session of the twenty seventh parliament.
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queen's PRINTER AND CONTROLLER OF STATIONERY OTTAWA, 1967
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Monday, May 8, 1967

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The parliament which had been prorogued on the eighth day of May, 1967, met later this day at Ottawa for the dispatch of business.

Mr. Speaker read a communication from the Secretary to the Governor General, announcing that His Excellency the Governor General would proceed to the Senate chamber at four o'clock on this day, for the purpose of formally opening the session of the dominion parliament.
A message was delivered by Major C. R. Lamoureux, Gentleman Usher of the Black
Rod, as follows:
Mr. Speaker, His Excellency the Governor General desires the immediate attendance of this honourable house in the chamber of the honourable the Senate.
Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the house went up to the Senate chamber.
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And the house being returned to the Commons chamber:

Lester Bowles Pearson: for leave to introduce Bill No. C-l, respecting the administration of oaths of office.
Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.



SPEECH FROM THE THRONE

Mr. Speaker:: I have the honour to inform the house that when the house did attend His Excellency the Governor General this day in the Senate chamber, His Excellency was pleased to make a speech to both houses of parliament. To prevent mistakes, I have obtained a copy, which is as follows:
Honourable Members of the Senate:
Members of the House of Commons:
As my words are being broadcast throughout Canada I should like to begin on a personal note. I
want to say that I am deeply conscious of the possibilities for good for Canada of my new office and duty-that which brings me here today to open the Centennial Session of Parliament. May I renew my pledge at the ceremony of Installation: that my sole purpose and effort will be to merit the confidence which had been reposed in me by Her Majesty our Queen on the advice of her Canadian Ministers and by the countless Canadians from every region who have so freely offered their good wishes. My wife and I are deeply grateful for such messages and greatly encouraged by them.
On this occasion we feel again the sadness of our loss in the recent death of His Excellency General Georges Vanier, my much beloved predecessor. His courageous and lifelong devotion to all that is good and honourable sets an example to inspire all Canadians.
The careers of my two distinguished Canadian predecessors have added to the traditional and constitutional functions of the Governor General as the representative of Her Majesty the Queen of Canada, that of representing the Canadian people in a broad range of their activities and attitudes. In this role I shall try to encourage the best features of our national life, in all its diversity, and to symbolize the unity and continuity of the Canadian people as expressed in their federal institutions.
With you, I look forward this summer to the visit of Her Majesty the Queen and other members of the Royal Family. The presence of our Sovereign and the Heads of State of other countries will bring added joy and festivity to our land as it celebrates the centennial of its Confederation.
This Centennial Session of Parliament provides an opportunity to begin to give effect to our aspirations for the second century of Confederation.
The weak colonies joined together in 1867 have grown today into a prosperous and dynamic country. That so much could have been accomplished in the face of great difficulties is a tribute to the courage, determination and faith in human progress of countless Canadian men and women of all origins. It is also a tribute to the wisdom and foresight of the Fathers of Confederation who created the constitutional framework without which much of this progress would have been impossible.
Our country was not founded in 1867. It is far more deeply rooted in time than that. But, one hundred years ago, our predecessors-men of many races, creeds and tongues-embarked upon a great exercise in statecraft of which we, today, are the trustees. They laid the foundations. They anchored them in a fundamental sense of unity that generations of conflict had taught was vital to the common weal. With this realization they erected a structure of government for the freedom, welfare, and prosperity of all who might come in time to inhabit this land. They built according to a federal plan because they knew that unity, with cultural and regional diversity could be harnessed to a positive and enriching role in no other way.

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The concept of Confederation was a call to Canadians to occupy and develop half a continent. In terms of physical effort, it demanded constructive work of a magnitude and in the face of obstacles never before tackled anywhere in the world. In terms of intellectual endeavour, it required the revolutionary application of federal arrangements to a parliamentary system in a sparsely populated country of enormous area.
The path of Confederation has been beset with great difficulties-some natural, some inevitable and some of our own making. Succeeding generations of men and women, however, had the courage to overcome these difficulties and make possible the material and social progress we today enjoy. They had the conviction of their forefathers that a sense of basic unity alone would secure the preservation of both the individuality and the diversity which they cherished. They knew that, while Confederation could never be perfect, it was in the last analysis the mainstay of their various interests and that, while there would inevitably be occasional failures in the tolerance and understanding essential to our political system, a fundamental friendship between our people remained and could be relied upon. They Irnew, above all, that there was no difference of opinion so great, no misunderstanding so deep, that could prevent men of good will from repairing the particular in order to preserve the whole.
During the past one hundred years the world has changed beyond the recognition of anything within the experience of those who laid the foundations of Confederation. That our constitutional structure has endured and served so well the progress of our country is a measure of the basic soundness of its principles as well as the willingness of those concerned to adapt their application to changing needs and changing conditions.
It is in this spirit that the government has in recent years actively promoted the reform of detailed federal-provincial arrangements which, with the fundamental law, compose the constitutional structure of our country. Such reform includes improving procedures for federal-provincial consultation and coordination that are increasingly vital to the effective operation of modern government.
The government is aware of its unique responsibility to ensure that our fundamental law is readily adaptable to our changing social needs. It is also conscious that the advantages and disadvantages of the present constitutional structure are deeply intertwined. While orderly reform may well be the best way of preserving and strengthening our heritage, the most careful consideration must be given to what we do. Studies to obtain the best advice on this important matter are now underway with a view to subsequent consideration of the whole problem by Parliament.
It was possible to think, in 1867, of the public responsibility primarily in terms of state responsibility. The new challenges, which we must and will meet, require the involvement of the whole society and the efforts of all our people. In this time of fast-changing dimensions, the central concern of Canadian society must be the well-being of each individual, so that, regardless of his place or station at birth, he will have an equal chance to realize his full potential in the economic, social, political and cultural sense. A country is a home; it must be built and furnished for the good life of its people.

With our forefathers, the fight was against the immense odds of nature on our half of this continent. Today the main struggle is against social injustice, against cultural mediocrity, against spiritual stagnation and against all forms of intolerance.
During the first one hundred years of our Confederation we have been evolving, out of our bilingual and bicultural beginnings, an ideal of statehood that promises a new dimension of democracy: the dimension of social and cultural diversity within a political unity. Out of the two great cultural streams of our beginnings, we have evolved in Canada an independent statehood which has welcomed and been enriched by people of many other cultures. As we enter our second century of Confederation, we can take pride in a sense of purpose that, while taking account of our own national needs, also includes a unique capacity to contribute to the whole world community of man.
Today relations among industry, labour and governments at all levels are taking on a new significance. To maintain and improve Canada's economic strength it is necessary to exercise wisdom and restraint in our demands upon one another; to show a high degree of cooperation and a sense of responsibility in dealing with each other and with our respective institutions, including all levels of government.
The government is conducting a fundamental review of the many significant factors involved in the relationship between industry, labour and government. From this review, it will secure the best advice available in shaping new policies and determining the most effective day-to-day role for the federal government.
Honourable Members of the Senate,
Members of the House of Commons,
As our Centennial Session opens, more Canadians are employed than ever before in our history. To ensure that jobs keep pace with the labour force, the capacity, quality and productivity of Canadian manufacturing industries must be increased. The government will take further appropriate measures to promote an environment in which industries can develop in the broad interests of the country, and promote increasing employment opportunities.
The government will also take special measures in particular designated areas where human resources are not adequately utilized. While efforts by the government in this regard during recent years have met with a large measure of success, they are to be made even more effective. Parliament, therefore, will be invited to broaden the scope of the Area Development Incentive program and to provide increased funds for it. Continuing encouragement will be given to the work of the Atlantic Development Board in promoting industrial development in the Atlantic Region.
Our strong and dynamic economy has made possible a broad program of social security which is available to all Canadians. Social legislation in Canada has been advanced to a remarkable degree in recent years. This does not mean to imply that all our programs are complete. Improvements will be required, such as the amendment of the Unemployment Insurance Act, which Parliament will be invited to consider.
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Parliament will also be asked to enact a measure further to assist Canadians when moving from their homes in order to obtain employment. This will be accompanied by administrative action to increase the effectiveness of Canadian manpower centres. A full service will be developed for counselling individuals looking for work and for helping all workers to take advantage of employment opportunities. At the same time the adult retraining program will be strengthened and, in consultation with the provinces, a number of pilot training projects will lay concrete plans for new approaches in manpower development.
While the government is conscious of the desirability of a greater degree of domestic control of our resources and our key industries it is also aware of the continuing importance of inflows of foreign investment in order to ensure an optimum development of the economy. To enable Canadians to gain a clearer understanding of these issues, a White Paper on this subject will be laid before Parliament.
The government attaches great importance to opening up new ways for the participation of our people in the ownership of our industrial institutions. You will therefore be asked to consider a bill to establish a Canada Development Corporation in order to further the industrial development and trade of this country by reinforcing the supply of Canadian equity capital ready to share the risks as well as the rewards of investment in Canadian business.
Federal-provincial cooperation through the Fund for Rural Economic Development will permit a major effort for regional planning for particular areas in Canada. Implementation of development projects in Northeastern New Brunswick, at Mactaquac in New Brunswick and the Interlake area of Manitoba will provide the Federal Government with tools of knowledge and experience for the benefit of other regions throughout the country. You will also be invited to approve the establishment, with the Government of Nova Scotia, of a Crown Corporation to phase out the uneconomic coal mining operations in Cape Breton, while creating alternative industrial employment.
Greater emphasis and encouragement, consistent with federal responsibilities, will be given to community development programs throughout Canada. In no case is the need for these more fully demonstrated than in the case of the Indians and Eskimos of Canada who face grave problems in their attempts to share the benefits and opportunities of our society. The government will therefore put before the Centennial Session amendments to the Indian Act and it will take other administrative measures to encourage the process of community development, for the benefit of the Indian and Eskimo people.
In foreign affairs Canada has put its major effort Into the pursuit of peace. Our diplomacy aims at strengthening Canada's position in the councils of nations so as to work towards that world peace and stability that is the agreed objective of all sectors of public opinion in this country.
The most serious situation in the world today remains that in Vietnam. The government continues to attach the highest priority to initiatives designed to bring about a peaceful settlement of this conflict and we will continue to exert every effort to this end through diplomatic and other peaceful means. The government is prepared to
Speech from the Throne cooperate in the establishment of an international presence in Vietnam to provide the assurances and guarantees which may have to form part of any settlement. We are also prepared to assist in the economic reconstruction and rehabilitation in that area once peace has been restored.
The government will also continue to press vigorously for effective international action in the field of disarmament. It regards curbing the nuclear arms race as a first and essential step on the road to general disarmament.
With these objectives in mind, Canada is joining with its NATO partners in a review of the future tasks of the alliance. Besides the changing requirements of collective defence, we will have in mind the progressively important political role which NATO has undertaken in the pursuit of a peaceful settlement in Europe.
The United Nations remains for Canada a major consideration in foreign policy. Until the end of 1968 Canada will have the responsibility of membership on the Security Council, and in that role the government will strive to strengthen the capacity of the United Nations fully to discharge its proper functions.
It is also expected that the "Kennedy Round" of International Trade and Tariff Negotiations will soon be completed in Geneva. In the light of its conclusions, you will be asked to approve changes in tariffs and related laws necessary to implement the undertakings Canada will give in order to gain improved access for Canadian products in export markets.
The government also intends to play an active part in the forthcoming meeting of the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, as it attaches great importance to the trade problems of less-developed countries.
Unless there is a concerted international endeavour to promote economic, technical and social advances in the developing countries, the world will soon face a major crisis. The advances painfully won by the nations of Asia, Africa and the Americas must not be lost through the lack of aid or through impediments to trade. Steps will be taken further to develop Canada's special relations with the Commonwealth countries of the Caribbean.
The government also intends to seek approval for a substantial increase in the external aid program, as a further step towards the aid target of one per cent of national income.
External aid, trade and the activities of a host of international agencies today bind the peoples of the world more closely together than ever before in human history. There is an international flavour to modern life that was unknown to all but a select few in years past, but which will become commonplace for people generally in the years ahead.
All this is dramatically demonstrated by Expo 67 which recently opened in Montreal and by the Pan American Games to take place in Winnipeg this summer. These are features of our Centennial party, to which the whole world has been invited. Expo provides an extraordinary opportunity to extend hospitality to those who join with us in celebrating the one hundredth anniversary of Confederation. It is attracting visitors to Canada in greater numbers than ever before, and provides us with an unprecedented opportunity to display our achievements to the rest of mankind. Our country will also be receiving an increasing flow of people who will remain with us, to add to the variety and

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strength of our country. You will be asked to consider a complete revision of our immigration legislation.
If the century that has passed can be characterized by the development of the resources of our land, it is likely that the century to come must be marked by an increasing concentration upon the development of the resources of the mind and the spirit.
The government has already embarked upon a number of programs to increase substantially the level of scientific innovation, but much information of potential use in upgrading the technological capability of our country is not being fully utilized. The government has therefore initiated a study which will lead to a program to provide for the efficient dissemination of the latest scientific and technological information throughout Canada. The government also intends to recommend substantial expansion in its assistance to science and technology in their broadest senses and to develop a climate conducive to more expenditure in this area by Canadian industry. Particular attention will be given to developing a climate of cooperation among governments, universities, and industries, that will provide effective solutions for the great problems associated with our environment: with health, transportation, energy, communications, housing and urban renewal, food production and many others that have particular relevance to this country.
The arts, humanities and social sciences also have an importance to our future that needs no elaboration. In recent years the government has taken vigorous action to ensure unprecedented support for those branches of learning essential to the enrichment of the spirit and to the government of men. More remains to be done so that there will be provided a host of challenging opportunities to Canadians of all ages: opportunities of the kind that will excite the interests of our best minds; opportunities that, accepted with spirit and vigour, can lead to progress of exceptional significance in the social and economic life of Canada.
Recognizing that broadcasting is an important cultural instrument the government supports a comprehensive and balanced national broadcasting service for Canadians of all ages, interests and tastes. Toward these ends a measure will be put before this Session for better regulation and use of broadcasting privileges and responsibilities. Legislation will also be placed before Parliament concerning the provision of broadcasting facilities for educational purposes.
The government is profoundly aware of the economic, social and cultural issues concerned in the development of satellite communications. Studies of this important matter are now underway and will be pressed to completion so that you may be thoroughly informed on all aspects when grave decisions as to use, ownership, regulation and control must be reached. A committee of Parliament will be invited to study the issues involved in this new means of communication.
In one form or another science is already reaching into the very heart of the community to transform the lives of each of us. It is essential that the control and development of our environment keeps apace. We have built towns and cities, canals and railroads, highways and other great works of construction at an unprecedented pace. But we have too often in the past made beauty the poor sister of material gain and careless workmanship the

price of easy profit. We must lose no more time in making ugliness in our environment as unwelcome as financial losses in our balance sheets.
One of the great challenges of the century will be our capacity to plan our urban development so that Canadians in the future will continue to enjoy the benefits of living in health and harmony with their surroundings. To this end, the government intends to propose to the provinces that a special study of urban development be undertaken in close consultation with all the authorities concerned, which would be available to the federal, provincial and municipal governments and to the public generally; so that all Canadians will be aware of problems which lie ahead and so that governments at all levels, will have the best possible advice to assist them in their own planning and in their respective contributions to this great problem.
You will be invited to consider new housing programs which, while recognizing the primary responsibility of the individual and the other levels of government in the provision of housing, will help to fill requirements that clearly lie ahead.
The impact of science, industrialization and urbanization and the changing conditions in Canada and abroad also demand that our agricultural goals and policies should be kept under continuous examination. The government, confident that Canada can look forward in its second century to continuing as one of the great agricultural countries of the world, proposes to establish a Special Task Force under the Minister of Agriculture. It will be charged with projecting agricultural goals for the future and recommending policies to meet these goals. A firm basis should thus be provided for the development, in full cooperation with the provinces, of a national agricultural policy. This national policy will be designed to bring greater returns to the efficient farmers of this country consistent with those of other segments of our economy and consistent with the contribution to our well-being that is made by the agricultural segment. At the same time plans will be developed that will permit the retraining of those who wish to leave the agricultural field.
The changing needs of rural communities also deserve special attention. During the present Session, you will be asked to approve legislation to provide long-term loans to agricultural and fisheries associations and corporations to permit them to develop facilities commensurate with the needs of such communities. The pattern of agriculture is changing and with the change there is increased need for capital to permit the development and maintenance of a competitive agricultural structure. Therefore you will also be asked to broaden the scope of the Farm Credit Act, in particular to enable young men and farmers' sons to develop or acquire efficient and viable production units.
The great natural resources that we take into our second century will be vital to us in meeting our needs and in maintaining our position as a major world trader. Measures will be introduced by the government at the present Session arising out of the need to conserve and preserve the great wealth with which Canada has been so richly endowed. Water itself is becoming a more and more valuable resource. Efforts to combat pollution are taking on an economic as well as a social significance and the federal government intends to press forward in cooperation with the provinces. In keeping with this objective, you will be asked to approve a new
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Canada Water Act which will provide a framework for the improvement and implementation of Canadian water policy.
At the same time, the search for new resources hastens the opening of the North. Substantial progress has been made in recent years in the government of the Northwest Territories and the Yukon, and the government intends to undertake new incentives for industry and regional economic planning intended to strengthen the economy of the North.
The encouragement of scientific and intellectual endeavour, and the development of natural resources, will be of no great benefit to Canadian society in its second century of Confederation unless a concerted effort is made to bring about a better relationship between the individual and his government. The government therefore attaches great importance to administrative and law reform so as to assure the citizen an understanding and sense of identification with what is going on, the better to assure his support of and participation in the social institutions of our country. You will be asked to examine legal procedures and administration, not only with a view to their efficiency, but also as regards their simplicity and efficacy in so far as the individual citizen is concerned. Canada must set itself the task of developing a society in which every citizen can become an informed and real participant and plan a role to the measure of his wishes and abilities.
The Standing Committee of the House on Privileges and Elections will be asked to continue its study of the Report from the Committee on Election Expenses. When this study has been completed, the government will put forward proposals for your consideration.
You will be asked to consider reforms in our laws governing divorce. The government will also put forward a proposal concerning capital punishment. In all of these matters where decisions depend so much on personal judgement and belief, careful consideration will be given to procedures for handling them in Parliament. Early action will also be taken to seek other amendments to the Criminal Code.
In the highly complex society of today, the interests of the consumer must be taken fully into account in the formulation of government policy. It is abundantly clear that in the whole area of matters affecting the investor and the consumer, the federal government has special obligations arising out of its general responsibility for the economic well-being of the nation as a whole.
The rights of the consumer can be advanced through corporate and individual responsibility but they also impose an obligation on governments at all levels. At this Session government measures recommended for the promotion of consumer interests will include the designation of a department of corporate and consumer affairs. Within this department there will be created an organization responsible for developing new policies and coordinating programs undertaken within the federal government to assist the consumer and protect the small investor. It will also maintain liaison with the provinces in these fields.
The government also attaches great importance to the encouragement of more efficient allocation of capital resources and to the creation of a situation in which any Canadian can invest in companies 27053-2
Speech from the Throne operating in Canada on the basis of comprehensive and accurate information. To this end, you will be asked to approve amendments to the Canada Corporations Act. They will ensure that federally incorporated companies are obliged to respect modern and high standards of financial disclosure and that their affairs are conducted in a way which will encourage a favourable investment climate.
Related to this is the improvement of the efficiency and stability of financial markets and institutions. Important changes were brought about in the last Session of Parliament with respect to banking legislation and the control of other financial institutions. The objective of the government is to encourage development of efficient financial institutions, with full regard for the public interest including the provision of adequate safeguards for depositors and investors. The government is prepared to exercise its responsibility in fields where it has jurisdiction. In these fields as well as in areas where jurisdiction is divided, it will seek to cooperate with all provincial governments.
Another matter of fundamental importance in our highly industrialized society is safety. The government proposes to review the whole area of its jurisdiction with respect to the setting and enforcement of safety standards in all the areas where they are required if the day-to-day life of the average citizen is to be adequately safeguarded.
As we observe this year the beginning of a new century of Confederation, we who find ourselves in positions of authority must always remember that it is our responsibility and our opportunity to serve the needs and aspirations of the Canadian people. Ours is a proud past. Together we in Canada have a future as promising as that of any other country in the world. But, above all, we are a people of the present. It is well that in giving thought to the goals of the second century of Confederation, we be aware that, as our success and promise of today rest on the actions of the past, so what we have tomorrow will depend on what we do today.
Members of the House of Commons,
The legislative program that the government proposes is large, and many of the issues it contains are complex. This has consistently been the case in recent years. It is a natural result of the growth and development of our country, the involvement of government in many matters, and the increasing technicality of modem society and the methods of its regulation. Parliament today requires virtually the full-time attention of its members, and this has been appropriately recognized. Likewise, you have recognized that the rules and methods of parliamentary government must be revised. In the last Session you established a Committee on the Rules of the House which made valuable progress in this regard. In this Session you will be asked to continue and expand that Committee's work. Canada in embarking upon its second century of federal government, must provide its Parliament with every facility to ensure that efficiency and thoroughness of deliberation which, in the consideration of every item of public business, is alone the sure protection of the liberty and well-being of our people.
You will be asked to appropriate the funds required for the services and payments authorized by Parliament.
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Congratulations on Canadian Centennial Honourable Members of the Senate,
Members of the House of Commons,
It is our honour and privilege to be responsible for the government of our country in this one hundredth year of confederation. It is our duty to govern well.
In addition to the measures already specified, you will be asked to consider a number of other legislative proposals.
In conclusion, I would end today, as the first Governor General of our country did one hundred years ago:
"Within our borders peace, security and prosperity prevail, and I fervently pray that your aspirations may be directed to such high and patriotic objects, and that you may be endowed with such a spirit of moderation and wisdom as will cause you to render the great work of union which has been achieved, a blessing to yourselves and your posterity, and a fresh starting point in the moral, political and material advancement of the people of Canada."
May Divine Providence guide you in your deliberations.
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Lester Bowles Pearson: That the speech of His Excellency, delivered this day from the throne to both houses of parliament, be taken into consideration later this day.


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Motion agreed to.


Mr. Speaker:: I have the honour to inform the house that a message has been received from the Right Hon. Horace Maybray King, Speaker of the House of Commons of the United Kingdom, conveying the text of a resolution of that house, as follows:
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Centenary of the Canadian Parliament: Resolved, nemine contradicente. That this House, mindful of its debates in February and March 1867, which led to the passage of the British North America Act and to the establishment of the Parliament and Dominion of Canada and recalling the hopes then expressed that the foundation had thereby been laid for the development of strong and selfreliant parliamentary institutions in that country; notes that these hopes have been amply fulfilled in the continuing vigour and vitality of the parliamentary system in Canada and sends most friendly greetings and warm congratulations to the Canadian House of Commons on the centenary of its establishment, and all good wishes for the second century of its existence.


Lester Bowles Pearson: Mr. Speaker, the resolution of congratulations which you have just read and which, as you have said, was moved in the British House of

Commons by the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, was passed unanimously by that ancient and illustrious body which two years ago celebrated its seven hundredth anniversary in the same hall at Westminster where it first met.
Very generous remarks were made when this resolution was being considered at Westminster by the Prime Minister, Right Hon. Harold Wilson, by the Leader of the Opposition, Mr. Heath, and by the leader of the Liberal party, Mr. Thorpe. I am sure all members of this house share my appreciation of this generous and friendly gesture, and I am sure that all members would wish this appreciation to be suitably expressed and recorded, for transmission to Westminster.
As has been the case with many countries, we inherited our own parliamentary institutions from Britain, the home of the mother of parliaments. Indeed, one of the bonds holding together that unique organization, the Commonwealth of Nations, is this shared parliamentary heritage.
In Canada, parliamentary institutions have played a vital part in the development of our Confederation. They have served us faithfully and well in war and peace, in bad times and in good. They have enabled our country to grow with a maximum degree of freedom for our people, and with a maximum of consideration for discussion and dissent in the solution of our problems. It is difficult to imagine a more stable or suitable governmental foundation for future progress as we contemplate our second century of confederation. The capacity of our parliamentary system to adjust itself in response to the requirements of the moment, without sacrificing its basic characteristics, has been demonstrated in the past. We must hope that the subtle, durable mechanism, of which this house forms such an important part, will successfully meet the even more difficult and important challenges of the present by adapting itself to the new conditions we face.
We often forget that it was the combined genius of Anglo-Saxon and Norman French that brought about the birth and development of the parliamentary system in Britain. In Canada there has been a similarly enriching association of these two races in our parliamentary evolution. In working out our federal system of government, parliamentary institutions have enabled English speaking and French speaking Canadians to settle their problems and find acceptable accommodations for their difficulties in a framework
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of rational discussion and intelligent cooperation.
I feel confident that we can look forward to continued steady parliamentary progress, and that we shall not betray the great achievements of the last hundred years or prove unworthy of the generous sentiments that the resolution of the British House of Commons so graciously emphasizes.
In introducing this resolution into the House of Commons at Westminster, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom quoted the words of Lord Carnarvon, the Colonial Secretary of the day, when he moved second reading of the British North America Act in 1867. He said then:
We are laying the foundation of a great state

perhaps one which, at a future day, may even overshadow this country. But, come what may, we shall rejoice that we have shown neither indifference to their wishes nor jealousy of their aspirations, but that we honestly and sincerely, to the utmost of our power and energy, fostered their growth, recognizing in it the conditions of our own greatness.
It is good to know that the British House of Commons, 100 years later, continues to have these same generous and warm feelings about our country.
It is my pleasure and my honour to move, seconded by the right hon. Leader of the Opposition, the following resolution:
That this house, acknowledging the Resolution of the British House of Commons, conveying most friendly greetings and warm congratulations on the centenary of the establishment of the Canadian House of Commons, and all good wishes for the second century of its existence;
Recalling the unfailing good will extended to it by the British House of Commons at the time of confederation, and throughout the century that has followed;
Mindful that parliamentary institutions, our heritage from the mother of parliaments, have served Canada well during the past hundred years;
Requests Mr. Speaker to express to the British House of Commons sincere and grateful appreciation for its kind greetings and congratulations.
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John George Diefenbaker: I join the Prime Minister in the sentiments he has expressed on this unique occasion. The message from the parliament of Westminster re-emphasizes, as the Prime Minister has said, it was in Westminster that the system was developed which we in our country, subject to but few changes, have applied to the operations of our parliament. Indeed, the cradle of freedom at Westminster gave us parliamentary democracy and the rule of law. From it we obtained the common law, trial by jury and habeas
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Congratulations on Canadian Centennial corpus. These are the monuments of freedom around which Canadians stand with pride.
In the dark days from June, 1940, until December, 1941, the parliaments of the United Kingdom and Canada together with the other dominions in the commonwealth stood alone for freedom. In 1941 the nazis attempted, by destroying the physical structure at Westminster, to at the same time undermine the moral determination and power of our people standing together for freedom. They destroyed the buildings, but the soul was unimpaired.
We recall it was here in this chamber in December, 1941, that Right Hon. Winston Churchill, with winged words of power and determination, mobilized the thinking, the aspirations and hopes of free men everywhere.
These are the things that come to one in reflecting on the history of our country's institutions. It is well to recall the contribution made by that parliament in Westminster to the Canada of today. The Prime Minister mentioned it was a result of the co-operation between Anglo-Saxons and Normans that the parliamentary system, which we hold as of right and not of grace, was achieved and established.
It is well to remember the parliament of the United Kingdom gave to Canada of that day, in 1774, freedom of religion for Roman Catholics many years before it was attained in the United Kingdom itself. It was the United Kingdom parliament which made possible the abolition of slavery in Canada in 1793. It was in that parliament the eloquence of Fox, Pitt, Sheridan and Burke brought into being the beginning of representative government in Canada. Fox enunciated the dictum that the only way of retaining distant colonies with advantage was by enabling them to govern themselves.
Here in Canada-sometimes we forget it-a French Canadian gave leadership which brought about responsible government in our nation. Louis Hippolyte Lafontaine joined with Robert Baldwin in bringing this about. He maintained that parliamentary government without the crown cannot and will not be envisaged. These are some historical episodes which come to mind.
The British parliament consistently and generously protected minorities, their religion and their language. The Prime Minister quoted the words of Lord Carnarvon as the British statesman concluded the introduction of the B.N.A. bill in the House of Lords in 1867. Strange as it may seem today, it was the
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Congratulations on Canadian Centennial Quebec Act of 1774 allowing religious freedom and preserving those rights which were guaranteed in 1760, which in large measure was the cause of the 13 colonies revolting in 1776; they took strong objection to what had been done in Canada.
These are things we do not forget. These are things of the spirit, golden threads in the tapestry of our parliamentary system. It is with deep appreciation of what the British parliament has done for our country in preserving the freedoms we hold so dear, freedom of religion, freedom of speech and free, responsible government, that I speak today. For all these things we are debtors to that parliament at Westminster. So long as it lives, freedom will live.
It is my honour to join with the Prime Minister in seconding a resolution of appreciation for a message which touches the hearts of all of us.


Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas: My colleagues and I desire to support most enthusiastically the motion which has been moved by the Prime Minister and seconded by the Leader of the Opposition. We deeply appreciate the congratulations and good wishes which have been received from the parliament at Westminster.
As has been pointed out, the British parliament gave birth to confederation. While we very naturally think with pride of the Canadian fathers of confederation, it is true that the work they did could not possibly have come to fruition had they not had the co-operation of the statesmen in Great Britain, and had they not been helped tremendously by the foresight of British leaders like Lord Durham. Therefore we are greatly indebted to the British parliament, to the men who have sat in it over the years, for the help they gave in laying the foundations of Canada.
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With the passage of time we have become more and more independent and we have insisted increasingly, generation by generation, on being masters in our own house. I do not think for a moment that this has caused any displeasure in the British parliament or among the British people. As a matter of fact, when they launched Canada on its way it was part of their hopes and their aspirations that Canada would become a great sovereign power and an equal partner with Great Britain. It must be a source of satisfaction to them now to see Canada, as an independent, sovereign nation, working closely with Great Britain in
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the Commonwealth of Nations, in the United Nations, and in the affairs of the world.
We, Mr. Speaker, in this house, and in this country have a deep affection for Great Britain. Part of it comes from our ties of blood, but I suppose roughly two thirds of the Canadian people do not have ethnic relationships with Great Britain. However, we do have ties of common appreciation for the parliamentary system, for the British system of justice, and for the concepts of freedom and liberty which Great Britain gave to the world and which we, in our turn, have accepted and seek to perpetuate.
William Pitt once said in one of his famous speeches, when the Napoleonic wars were at their height, that Britain had saved herself by her exertions and Europe by her example. I think it can be said with equal truth today that Great Britain, in spite of innumerable difficulties, is saving herself by her exertions and the world by her example. I hope that we here in Canada as we enter into our second century will continue to march in step with Great Britain, and that we, with Britain and the other members of the commonwealth, may play an important part in promoting peace, stability and prosperity throughout the earth.


Mr. C. A. Gauthier (Hoberval):: Mr. Speaker, in the name of the Ralliement Credi-tiste, I should like to join the right hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Pearson) in thanking the British House of Commons for the resolution which it kindly sent our government on the occasion of our centennial. We appreciate all the kind words and good wishes contained in the message of the London government. Other countries will certainly send Canada their congratulations this year. It should nevertheless be remembered in listening to these congratulations-we are overwhelmed with congratulations-that tomorrow is another day and that all those kind words are not necessarily true.
We sincerely thank the British government for their good wishes on the occasion of the centennial of confederation. In fact, it is quite an event for Canada to have survived during these hundred years after the agreement reached in 1867, if we consider the government of the time and particularly the two great men who, in 1867, laid the basis upon which Canada developed and expanded.
Have we now reached the ideal suggested by these two great men? I have always found that no ideal can be fully attained. Never-
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theless, it can be said that we are on the way toward such an ideal and that living under this agreement has been a fortunate experience for all Canadians in general.
Just to simplify my reassuming, let me say that I have always seen in the agreement of the 1867 confederation something similar to a contract between husband and wife.
Mr. Speaker imagine a couple receiving congratulations from everywhere on their hundredth wedding anniversary. While the husband is being complimented on his achievements, on his progeny especially, the wife harbours other thoughts which she dares not express. That is all very well as far as the husband is concerned, but often the wife thinks to herself: That is not altogether true.
Well, we French Canadians, with regard to the English speaking element within the context of confederation, are somewhat like the husband and wife to whom I have just referred.
In 1867, our ancestors took up the challenge. They tried to play their part and I think that if something went wrong, in short if we have to complain about something as French Canadians, it is not so much about the letter itself of the British North America Act as about its application. But, on this anniversary, in order not to cast any gloom over the occasion, we will act somewhat like the woman who is party to the marriage contract: we will let those who want to celebrate fully do so, even if we cannot keep pace with them. We congratulate our predecessors just the same for having made the necessary efforts to attain the ideal which the two men mostly responsible for confederation undoubtedly had in mind.
We are asking ourselves what confederation gave us after a hundred years. To answer that question, I think that we should analyse the situation and ask ourselves whether our present system of government is as sound as it was 100 years ago as well as the foundation of present system, which I approve of because I have always been in favour of a democratic system.
I believe that the years to come will give us the answer to that question and we hope wholeheartedly that our democracy will grow not only in words but in action, in short that it will become an accomplished fact in Canada.
That is the wish of the French Canadian people in general who live in Canada as it must be also the wish of the citizens of all the other ethnic groups which make up our great country.
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I think that our democracy is far better than other forms of government which have been launched or tried out in other countries, but we must reflect upon the accomplished fact and be satisfied with the work done, even with the effort attempted although that effort, in my opinion, was not fully successful.
Mr. Speaker I hope the new century which lies ahead will be the century of understanding, the century of justice and the century of peace.

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Mr. A. B. Patterson (Fraser Valley):: Mr. Speaker, if I may be permitted just a few moments, I should like to assure the members of this house that we in the Social Credit party are in full support of the resolution which has been moved by the right hon. Prime Minister and seconded by the right hon. Leader of the Opposition.
It is always good to receive greetings on special occasions and, on the one hundredth anniversary of Canada's existence, it is doubly gratifying to receive greetings from the mother of parliaments. I have just read the message which was sent and I notice that reference is made to the debates which led to the passage of the British North America Act and the establishment of the parliament of the Dominion of Canada. I believe this message expresses a hope which is greater than the expressions of opinion which were made at the time of Canada's formation by those on that side of the Atlantic who predicted the early demise of this country as an independent sovereign nation.
Canada is but a baby, so far as the nations of the world are concerned, but I believe her place in the roll call of nations will move on the maturity, and that she will make her contribution to the world in general.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister)
presented the following message from His Excellency the Governor General:
The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons a certified copy of an order in council appointing the Honourable George James Mcllraith, the Honourable Allan Joseph MacEachen, the Honourable Maurice Sauv6 and the Honourable Edgar John Benson, to act with the Speaker of the House of Commons as commissioners for the purposes and under the provisions of the one hundred and forty-third chapter of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952, intituled: An Act respecting the House of Commons.
[Stage Direction]
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Business of the House STANDING COMMITTEES Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister) moved:
That a special committee be appointed to prepare and report, with all convenient speed, lists of members to compose the standing committees of this house; the said committee to be composed of Messrs. Knowles, Laprise, Leboe, MacEachen, Pilon, Rapp and Starr.
Motion agreed to.

Lester Bowles Pearson: That Maurice Rinfret, Esquire, member for the electoral district of Saint-Jacques, be appointed deputy chairman of committees of the whole house.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

Lester Bowles Pearson: That a special committee consisting of Messrs. As-selin (Richmond-Wolfe), Baldwin, Brand, Caouette, Faulkner, Knowles, MacEachen, Nugent, Olson,
Richard and Stewart, be appointed to consider and, from time to time, to report upon the advisability of making permanent, with or without amendment, any or all the several changes in the procedure of this house as adopted for the second session of the twenty-seventh parliament on April 26, 1967, and, in particular, to consider ways and means for giving to the opposition during the second session of the twenty-seventh parliament an opportunity to select the order in which departmental esimates will be discussed, and such other changes as the committee may deem suitable to promote the more expeditious dispatch of the business of the house.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

Mr. Speaker:: It is my understanding that there is a wish to have the order made earlier this day, that the address of His Excellency the Governor General be considered later this day, amended so that the address may be considered tomorrow.


Some hon. Members:: Agreed.
On motion of Mr. Pearson the house adjourned at 6.10 p.m.

Tuesday, May 9, 1967