1950-06-29

Mr. Speaker:: I have the honour to inform the house that the Clerk of the House has received from the chief electoral officer certificate of the election and return of the following member, viz.:
Of Leon D. Crestohl, Esquire, for the electoral district of Cartier.



NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL

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Second and final report of special committee appointed to examine into the operations of the national research council.- Mr. Mcllraith.


Right Hon. L. S. St. Laurent (Prime Minister):: Mr. Speaker, I should like to lay on the table a copy of order in council P. C. 3153, dated June 27, under the provisions of the Public Service Rearrangement and Transfer of Duties Act, transferring to the Minister of Resources and Development the duties, powers and functions conferred and imposed upon the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration relating to the affairs of the race of origin commonly referred to as Eskimos.
Under the general terms of the Citizenship and Immigration acts, these duties would probably come under the responsibility of the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, but most of these people are in the territories administered by the council responsible to the Minister of Resources and Development. It was felt therefore that there would be less likelihood of any duplication if what concerned them was dealt with by and under the council of the Northwest Territories.



TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY TABLING OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND

Mr. George Prudham (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Resources and Development):: Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Resources and Development, I should like to lay on the table the memorandum of agreement between the government
of Canada and the government of the province of Newfoundland in respect to the trans-Canada highway, as requested by the hon. member for St. John's West (Mr. Browne).



PRISONS AND REFORMATORIES ACT


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On the order for introduction of bills:
Hon. Stuart S. Garson (Minister of Justice):: Mr. Speaker, a matter which is represented to me as being of some urgency has been brought to my attention by the attorney general of British Columbia. I have discussed it with the leaders of the opposition parties, and I understand they have taken it up with such of their members as might be interested. I believe it will prove to be non-controversial.
The province of British Columbia set up a Borstal system for taking care [DOT] of male prisoners between the ages of sixteen and twenty-three years, and in that connection came to this parliament in the session of 1947-1948 requesting us to incorporate in the Prisons and Reformatories Act a little code of three sections referring only to this Borstal system in British Columbia, and therefore without interest to any other province.
Section 147A, the first section of this code, provides for the imprisonment of these prisoners in the Borstal institution called New Haven. In all these cases in which the prisoners could get three months or more of imprisonment in the common jail, it is open to the courts in that province to impose a sentence of three months or more definite, and then an indeterminate sentence in addition to that of any period up to two years less one day.
By section 147B, the lieutenant governor may appoint a board of parole in order to grant parole to these prisoners, and by section 147C, the lieutenant governor may authorize the attorney general from time to time by warrant to direct the removal of these prisoners from this New Haven Borstal institution to Oakalla prison farm. In this last connection the relevant words of section 147C are:
. . . there to be detained for the unexpired portion of the term of imprisonment to which such person was originally sentenced . . .
In that province a case has arisen recently in which one of these prisoners, upon being

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transferred to Oakalla prison farm after serving his definite period of time, applied to the courts for a writ of habeas corpus upon the ground that as soon as he had served the whole of -his definite term of imprisonment he could no longer be detained in any prison in British Columbia, except the New Haven prison, for the indeterminate portion of his sentence.
There is no desire that any legislation which might be passed here would apply to that particular litigation, and such legislation is subject to the general rule of the Interpretation Act that it does not apply to current litigation. But what the British Columbia authorities are afraid of is that if this precedent were followed in respect of all those who have been transferred to Oakalla prison from New Haven, it might result in a number of prisoners being set at liberty. We therefore ask for certain amendments, which will be in the printed bill, which I have arranged to have distributed. These three sections will make it clear beyond any doubt that the lieutenant governor in council in British Columbia shall have the powers which it was contemplated he should have when in 1947-48, at the request of the British Columbia government, and using the language suggested by it, we incorporated these three sections in our Prisons and Reformatories Act.


Mr. Speaker:: Has the minister leave to introduce the said bill?


Some hon. Members:: Agreed.


Stuart Sinclair Garson: for leave to introduce Bill No. 318, to amend the Prisons and Reformatories Act.
Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.


Mr. Speaker:: When shall the bill be read the second time?


Some hon. Members:: Now.


Mr. Green:: We have not yet seen the bill, Mr. Speaker. I suggest that second reading be given later this day.


Mr. Speaker:: Later this day.



QUESTIONS

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(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)

Mr. Diefenbaker:: X. How many bushels of durum wheat have been sold by the wheat board in each of the years commencing the 31st of July, 1945?
2.	What was the average price per bushel received by the board during each of the said years?
[Mr. Garson.)


Mr. Mcllrailh:: 1.	Year	BushelstAug. 1,	1945	to	July	31,	1946
5,776,726
Aug. 1,	1946	to	July	31,	1947

 7,862,744
Aug. 1,	1947	to	July	31,	1948

 9,736,211
Aug. 1,	1948	to	July	31,	1949

 12,681,028
tSold in domestic market to the United Kingdom under the Canada-United Kingdom wheat agreement and to markets where the Canadian wheat board's class II prices applied.
2.	Year	Average
prices
Aug.	1,	1945	to	July	31,	1946

Aug.	1,	1946	to	July	31,	1947

 1.80664
Aug.	1,	1947	to	July	31,	1948....	1.57925Aug.	1,	1948	to	July	31,	1949
2.01440
^BRITISH COLUMBIA


PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS
Mr. Fulton:: 1.	Since June 11, 1948, have any Department of Public Works officials consulted the Hon. R. W. Mayhew with respect to public works projects in British Columbia outside his own constituency?
2.	If so, in how many cases in each constituency other than his own, and what was the project and the amount of expenditure involved in each case?
3.	How was such consultation effected, and what was the date thereof in each case?
4.	Have any other members of parliament from British Columbia been consulted or advised during the same period with respect to projects outside their own constituencies?
5.	If so what members, and on what projects in the case of each such member?


Mr. Mayhew:: My colleague the Minister of Public Works is not here today, but I discussed this question with him yesterday and am directed to make the following answer:
1.	Yes; all works of major importance.
2.	No details are kept. If the hon. member wants to get the full answer, he can quite easily consult the estimate book.
3.	No record was kept of the dates. The consultations are effected in several ways: by writing, by telephone and by personal conversation. Where the minister wishes, it will be carried on with his deputy minister.
4.	We do not know of any. It is probable that where a member had in his own constituency a project that affected the neighbouring constituency, they might consult with the minister through me.
5.	No record has been kept.



SLAV CONGRESS


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On the orders of the day:
Mr. John Decore (Vegreville):: I should like to direct a question to the Secretary of State

for External Affairs. According to newspaper reports, especially one in the Canadian Tribune, a communist publication, dated June 26 of this year, a so-called Slav congress will be held in Toronto, starting today, and will last for two days.
According to this same publication a delegation from the U.S.S.R. is coming to this congress, which will consist of Russian writers, poets and others whose occupations are not clearly defined. The delegation is headed by Lieutenant General Alexander Gundorov. Before I proceed with my question, Mr. Speaker, if I may, I should like to say just a word about this distinguished gentleman, because he is no ordinary individual.


Mr. Speaker:: Order. Without the unanimous consent of the house, the hon. member would be required to put his question.


An hon. Member:: Ask the question.


Some hon. Members:: Go ahead,


John Decore: Lieutenant General Gundorov was the chairman of the all-Slav conference held in Moscow in 1941, and presided over similar conferences in countries behind the iron curtain and in the United States. He has the reputation of a first-class Moscow organizer. In 1949-


Some hon. Members:: Order.


An hon. Member:: Question.


Mr. Speaker:: I understood that the hon. member had the unanimous consent of the house to proceed.


Some hon. Members:: No.


Mr. Knowles:: No.


Some hon. Members:: Yes.


Mr. Graydon:: Let him go ahead.


John Decore: I have just one more statement, and then I am through.


Mr. Cole (Verdun-La Salle):: Finish the statement.


Gordon Graydon: Surely nobody objects to hearing that.


Mr. Speaker:: With the unanimous consent of the house, the hon. member may proceed.


Some hon. Members:: No.


John Decore: I notice that some of my C.C.F. friends are not anxious for me to proceed.


Stanley Howard Knowles: Mr. Speaker, on a question of privilege, when we ask that the rules of the house be observed, and be applied equally to all, that is not to be regarded as a comment on the subject that has been
Inquiries of the Ministry brought up. May I point out that the hon. member may discuss this subject on external affairs estimates, on justice estimates or in a number of places; but I submit that on this occasion there is not unanimous consent for waiving of the rules.


Mr. Speaker:: I must ask the hon. member to put his question without further comment.


John Decore: I will, Mr. Speaker. The question I want to put to the Secretary of State for External Affairs is whether the Canadian government has -granted visas to this "distinguished" Russian gentleman and his associates, consisting of poets, artists and others who are so anxious to charm us here in Canada with their poetry, their -music and other things?


Hon. L. B. Pearson (Secretary of Stale for External Affairs):: Mr. Speaker, I have been aware for some little time of the intention to hold a Canadian-Slav congress in Toronto, beginning I think tomorrow; and I am also aware of the nature of this organization. In the specific case mentioned of General Gundorov, an application for a non-immigrant visa was received and refused. I may add that no visas have been granted to enable persons

poets, musicians or otherwise-to enter Canada for the purpose of attending this conference. They would probably supply a form of music that we do not desire to hear in this country.



GOLD MINING


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On the orders of the day:
Mr. Armand Dumas (Villeneuve):: I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys. Will the minister make a statement regarding the possibility of extending the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act beyond December, 1950?


Hon. J. J. McCann (Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys):: As the house is aware, payments to gold mines under the present legislation will terminate as of the end of this calendar year. We have had representations from the industry, and in particular a comprehensive brief prepared by the Canadian Metal Mining Association, urging that the legislation should be extended, perhaps on a slightly modified basis.
Because of the pressure of matters incident to the closing weeks of the parliamentary session, the government has not yet been able to give consideration to these representations. When such consideration has been completed, an announcement will be made promptly as to the decision reached and

Prisons and Reformatories Act any proposals which the government may have to recommend. We hope to be able to give the mines as much time as possible for future planning.


Mr. Adamson:: Will the minister inform the industry, through the Canada Gazette and through the mining association, in plenty of time so that they may adjust their bookkeeping for the next fiscal period? It is very important that they may know in ample time so that they may plan their operations.


James Joseph McCann: Just let me repeat the last sentence of the statement I made. We hope to be able to give the mines as much time as possible for future planning.


Agar Rodney Adamson: Thank you; I did not hear it.



BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE


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On the orders of the day:
Stanley Howard Knowles: May I direct a question to the Prime Minister? Out of consideration for the Hansard staff, could there be an understanding, despite the motion which was passed the other day-


Some hon. Members:: Question.


Stanley Howard Knowles: Could there be an understanding, despite the motion that was passed the other day, that at some time during the noon hour and some time during the supper hour we suspend the sitting for twenty or thirty minutes?
Right Hon. L. S. St. Laurent (Prime
Minister): In view of the special order made by the house it would require unanimous consent, and unanimous consent in matters has not appeared to be very probable this morning.


Stanley Howard Knowles: Will the Prime Minister ask whether there is unanimous consent? I am sure if he would ask for it, it would be forthcoming.


Some hon. Members:: Not debatable.



PRISONS AND REFORMATORIES ACT AMENDMENT

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On the orders of the day:
Howard Charles Green: Mr. Speaker, before you leave the chair for the house to go into committee of supply, may I say that we have now had an opportunity to read the bill which has been introduced by the Minister of Justice, and if he wishes to go ahead with it at this stage the official opposition will offer no objection. Apparently it is simply a matter of adopting two amendments suggested by the attorney general of British

Columbia; and the minister has added a third amendment which in our opinion is perfectly in order.


Stuart Sinclair Garson: And which the deputy attorney general of British Columbia, upon being consulted, agrees with. We thought it was necessary.


Some hon. Members:: Agreed.



PRISONS AND REFORMATORIES ACT


Stuart Sinclair Garson: the second reading of Bill No. 318, to amend the Prisons and Reformatories Act.


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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Dion in the chair.
Section 1 agreed to.
Title agreed to.
Bill reported.
Mr. Speaker:: When shall the bill be read the third time-now?


Stanley Howard Knowles: By leave.


Stuart Sinclair Garson: the third reading of the bill.
Motion agreed to and bill read the third time and passed.


Stanley Howard Knowles: May I say to the Prime Minister that perhaps the mood of the house has changed. We have just had two unanimous consents.


Louis Stephen St-Laurent: I hope the hon. member is right.

The house in committee of supply, Mr. Dion in the chair.



DEPARTMENT OF FISHERIES

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111. Departmental administration, $418,340.
Mr. Smith (Queens-Shelburne):: When the
house adjourned last night I was prepared to be quite brief in the comment I wished to make on this item. Even though it is the beginning of a new day, my intentions are still the same. I hope I shall be so brief as to set an example for those who may follow me in this and in other matters.
I think my first words should be those of commendation, not only of the minister but of the excellent men he has in his department for the carrying out of a new forwardlooking policy in regard to the fishing

industry. I was glad to hear him say yesterday that he thought the solution of the troubles of the fishing industry did not lie in the principle of price support. I thoroughly agree with that. There are times, and we have just witnessed one of them, when price support serves a very useful purpose. I am sure our friends in the province of Newfoundland will be glad to learn of this price support policy in regard to the distribution of their salted fish.
The minister is perfectly correct when he says that the most important thing that can be done is to follow out general policies which will lead to the general health of the industry. By that I mean renewing old markets which perhaps have been temporarily lost, and developing new markets. I think the general policies of the government which have led, and we all hope will lead, to a continuation of the high economic level of this country will also be reflected in the fishing industry. The industry is perhaps affected as much as, if not more than, any others when we have what we have known in the past as depressions.
The fishermen whom I represent hope that the western farmers will continue to be able to sell their beef at the very high prices at which it is selling today, so that the fishermen will be able to find a ready market for their product, which is more healthful, and we think more nutritious, than theirs. It is a product which can be sold at a reasonable price by those in the industry, at a much lower price than people have to pay for beef. Therefore I hope that the price of beef will stay just where it is, so that the price of our fish will stay just where it is.
I do not wish to take up too much time, but I feel I should point out just how important this fishing industry is to the constituency of Queens-Shelburne. Figures I have here, taken from the Nova Scotia fisheries year book, show that in 1948 the landed value of fish in the small constituency of Queens-Shelburne, with a population of only 25,000, was $3,250,000, and in that respect it stood third. Of this amount there were lobsters to a value of $1,500,000 landed on our shore. In this respect my constituency took second place in Nova Scotia.
The hon. member for Digby-Yarmouth knows, of course, that his constituency took first place in the landed value of all types of fish and in the landed value of lobster. The constituencies of Halifax and Lunenburg are the other two major constituencies, Halifax taking second place and Lunenburg, the home of the famous Bluenose, taking fourth place. It will be of interest to hon. members to note that although it has the reputation of being
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one of the greatest fishing counties-and there can be no doubt that it is a great fishing county-Lunenburg has had to take a back seat in comparison with the constituency I represent.
I believe it should be said that the large production of high quality fish in my constituency is possible because of the skill and industry of the thousands of fishermen who fish along that rocky and treacherous coast, where the storms become very severe and arise in a very short time. Approximately a thousand small motor boats are operating down there. The number is rapidly increasing, and has continued to increase since the war. Many war veterans, upon their return from overseas and with the assistance they received from provincial and federal governments, have gone into the fishing business themselves and have purchased very fine boats. The size of the boats is increasing and the engines with which they are equipped are becoming better all the time.
This increase of course results in a large concentration of boats in these small coves and harbours. I believe one of the greatest handicaps to the expansion of the industry in the past ten years has been the lack of proper breakwaters and wharves. The fishermen I represent are most grateful to the Department of Public Works for extending the breakwaters and wharves which are so necessary to the operation of the small-boat shipping industry. In the last three years the program has been extended rapidly, and I trust the Department of Public Works, in co-operation with the Department of Fisheries, will continue this work so that it may keep pace with the expansion of the small-boat fishing industry.
While I am on my feet I should like to thank the Department of Fisheries for their help in making it more apparent to the Department of Public Works and to treasury board that this expansion is necessary, and that the growth of the industry depends so much upon it.
As evidence of the high value fishermen place upon this public works aspect, it might be of interest to mention that when I was home at Easter I talked with a number of fishermen and others in the fish business. My chief topic of conversation, to begin with, was to ask their views about old age pensions, which subject was being discussed in committee. It is our hope that something will be done about this matter in the near future. Almost all of the people with whom I talked appeared to be more concerned with the funds provided to establish breakwaters and wharves so that they might be in a better position to look after their old age security

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and that of their fathers and mothers who were not blessed with too great wealth. These people felt that we should not drain too much money from the taxpayers of this country for the provision of old age security when, with some little help by way of providing public works, they would be able to look after themselves. I believe this is an evidence of the fact that the people I represent are not leaners. As has been pointed out, they do not qualify for unemployment insurance. I do not think they want anything like that, but they do want a better chance to look after themselves.
It might be of interest to the committee-I am sure the Department of Fisheries is aware of it, but perhaps it should be emphasized- that our fishing industry down there is practically all of the small-boat variety. Ninety-seven per cent of the fish are landed from small boats. In contrast to this, about sixty or sixty-five per cent of the fish landed in the other two larger fishing constituencies to the east, those of Lunenburg and Halifax, is landed by larger boats. When I refer to the larger boats I include schooners, trawlers, draggers and that sort of craft.
lit is clear therefore that the fishing industry is divided into two sections, small-boat fishing and large-boat fishing. There is no question about the quality of fish landed by small boats. The price obtained by small-boat fishermen is usually a little higher. I know, for example, that several firms will deal only with small-boat landings, because the quality of the fish is that much higher. Its quality can be depended upon.
I would ask the department to keep firmly in mind the great importance of this industry in western Nova Scotia. Some observers detect a tendency to change to mass production methods, but I think we should keep this matter of quality in mind. It is important, and I think all those connected with the business realize that. This is one way in which our sales can be expanded-by making sure that the quality is kept high.
It may be of interest also to note that the decentralization of production by small-boat fishing makes an even distribution of employment along the coast. The degree of decentralization in the fish business is striking, where the small boats are used. For instance, in Lunenburg there are eighteen fish plants, whereas in Queens-Shelburne there are sixty-eight. I believe it is fair to say that almost every cove and every harbour has at least one fish dealer in it, which, of course, results in the young men growing up and staying in their own villages. Some years ago there was a great movement back to the

land. Down there we have a back-to-the-sea movement, and we believe it is most important.
I am informed there is one great weakness so far as quality is concerned. Many wholesalers buy fish by the freight carload because the rate by freight carload is cheaper. In many instances this results in wholesalers buying more fish than they can sell readily. This means that they must carry over that fish, with the result that the fish carried over cannot be of the same quality as if it were marketed immediately. I do not know how difficult this problem may be, but it seems to me the department might consider the possibility of encouraging the shipping of all fresh fish by express only. I do not know just how this could be done, but I certainly think consideration should be given to it.
That is about all I have to say at the moment. May I summarize by urging the department to realize the importance of small-boat fishing when formulating its policy, and urging it to continue its assistance in having recommendations from the Department of Public Works approved by treasury board, so that larger quantities of high-quality small-boat fish can be placed on the market. I urge them also to continue research and assistance toward improving methods of transportation so that the quality of the product that reaches the consumer will be improved. I urge also that everything be done to keep this industry decentralized so that the fishing villages will continue to flourish for many years as the true home of free enterprise.


Mr. McLure:: Mr. Chairman, after the
speeches that have been made on this administration item it is not my intention to extend my remarks at all, but there are a few things I should like to say on the individual items. Last year the minister made an excellent statement with regard to the prospects of the fishing industry in Canada, and I was hoping this year he would extend his remarks and indicate whether the policies which he suggested before had worked out for the benefit of the fishing industry.
On several occasions when estimates have been before us I have indicated that I felt it was a mistake for the departments to ask for blank cheques. In this particular case there is a considerable amount being asked for in connection with which no information is provided. For instance, we are being asked to vote a total of $8,931,590, out of which $3,109,477, or practically thirty per cent, is accompanied by no information with the exception that reference is made to temporary assistance. When you consider the

casual assistance that is provided for, this amount is brought up to practically fifty per cent. The committee should be told something about it. This year we are told that there are 1,292 temporary employees besides the casuals and permanents, but there should be a breakdown to show how many are inspectors, how many are superintendents, and how many are day labourers. The minister has been engaged in big business, and I know he would not want his manager to come to him and say he wanted thirty-five per cent of the year's outlay for purposes about which he would tell him nothing.
I hope the minister will give the committee a further statement. Later on I shall have questions to ask, more particularly with regard to the establishment of fish meal plants in my own constituency, and in relation to draggers.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: The total number of people employed by the department at the peak of the season is 3,391, some of whom may work only a week, some a month and some two months. The regular staff numbers 1,526. There is a great fluctuation in the number of persons employed.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: That is part of the information I was looking for. There are 316 civil servants in the department, with an additional 1,892 temporaries. Then on top of that are the casuals, which brings the total to the figure the minister mentioned. We have never had any information about this large number of temporaries. When are they to be made permanent?


Mr. Browne (St. John's West):: This is the department in connection with which hon. members from Newfoundland might be expected to speak in extenso, but I shall condense my remarks to a few observations.
I am glad to see that the minister has regained his optimism about the future of the fishing industry in Newfoundland, even if he has abandoned his attempt to revolutionize it overnight by changing it from a salt cod fishing industry to a fresh fish industry. There is room for both, and a proper balance should be struck. If this is done, a great future lies before the industry.
The minister seems to have the most highly trained staff of any department of government. When I looked at the list in the annual report of the fisheries research board I was amazed at the high quality of the technical and scientific staff engaged in the department. I am sure that the majority of the fishermen do not realize that there is such a highly qualified body of men behind them who are studying their problems and trying to help
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them make a better living. Some of the men in that list have quite a reputation; I notice particularly Dr. Huntsman, who at one time was associated with the fishing industry in Newfoundland.
As this report was in our hands before the estimates of the department came up, we had an opportunity to see what had been done during the year. This is the very point I made in connection with the geological report in mines and resources. I found it most interesting reading. There is one item on page 48 of the report I should like to draw to the minister's attention and ask if it really means what it says. In connection with haddock, it states:
Measurements in 1949 at sea and on shore during four trips of commercial trawlers have shown numbers of haddock discarded at sea of 47, 32, 71 and 49 per cent of the total catch. Varying percentages of the haddock below 50 centimeters were discarded.
That seems to be a tremendous amount of fish to be lost. I believe that the minister shares the enthusiastic outlook of his staff as to the new vistas that have been opened up by the enlargement of Canadian fisheries with the annexation of Newfoundland. Newfoundland has a great variety of fish that still remain to be exploited. We not only have cod, but also lobster, salmon, trout, mackerel, herring, plaice, halibut, clams and scallops. Then there are various processes of preparation and preservation, such as salting, drying, freezing, canning and shipping in the live state. Then there is investigation of stocks on the Grand Banks and in the different waters around the island, the location of these stocks, the establishment of hatcheries, and many other possibilities.
I might say that in reading this report I was surprised to learn of the work that has been done by the scientific gentlemen to whom I have referred in the discovery of the location of fish. Let it be said again, as Bacon said hundreds of years ago, that the fisheries of Newfoundland are more valuable than the silver mines of Peru. If properly developed and protected they should be like the prairie soil, a source of great wealth for ever to the people of this country. The increasing world population, and the scarcity and high price of animal products, particularly in time of war, have compelled the nations of the world to look to the sea more than ever for their food.
I should like to see the fishing industry of Newfoundland, as the hon. member for Queens-Shelburne said about his province, maintained on a sound basis. From a social as well as from an economic point of view the methods of fishing in Newfoundland were

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ideal. I do not wish to see the fishing industry become centralized and highly industrialized like the motor car industry, unless the fishermen are to be partners and shareholders in the enterprise. The principle of private ownership, which is a very important feature of the Newfoundland fishing industry, must be preserved, and, I suggest, improved and strengthened. In the past I had the honour to be closely associated with the co-operative movement which was introduced into Newfoundland in 1936 from Antigonish. I may say, especially in the sale of live lobsters to the United States, that the co-operative movement has been outstandingly successful.
The provincial government is so alert to the value of co-operation in regard to the fisheries that the new provincial minister of fisheries has also taken the title of minister of co-operatives. The set-up in Newfoundland therefore provides a field of endeavour for any economist associated with the fisheries research board of Canada, and I hope there is one who is familiar with cooperative methods. Probably there are many, although I am not aware of it. I trust there is one who is interested in and conversant with the co-operative methods developed at Antigonish.
I cannot emphasize too strongly the necessity of building on the traditional methods of independence amongst the fishermen. I know that many of them are sometimes badly off at the end of a voyage when the fish fail them; nevertheless the principle is sound, and remedies can be found to cure the scarcity of fish. I am going to speak about one now. In my opinion the study and application of co-operative practices is the best way of improving the economic position of the fishermen.
I am forced to speak about an important need in many parts of Newfoundland, the supply of fresh bait daily. The Minister of Fisheries is familiar with the pressing need. The supply of fresh bait daily to fishermen who are using trawls or the hook and line is an absolute necessity. It is impossible for them to carry on without it. I wonder if the establishment of a floating bait freezer is not the solution for a large section of the coast. I am glad to see that the minister is making an experiment in thait direction this year, and I trust it will be very successful. I hope it will be able to operate in my district, because the constituency of St. John's West, although it is so largely concerned with the city, is probably the most important fishing section of the country. Five big trawlers operate a shuttle service
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to the Grand Banks from the south side of the city of St. John's and bring in large amounts of fresh fish.
From the south side of St. John's for 100 miles down -the coast to the Ferryland district, fifty miles up into St. Mary's bay, down to Placentia bay and another 150 miles up Placentia bay, in every settlement along that 300 miles stretch of coast there are fishermen who go out in boats, punts, dories or jackboats, to fish with hook and line, trawl, net or seine. A ready supply of fresh bait is essential to most of them if they are to catch fish. To have such a supply near at hand is also important, because it means that they can keep down the cost of catching fish, which will mean that there will be more profit. I feel sure that the minister is sympathetic to their position; because I have already drawn to his attention the need of places like Renews bay-where there is an industrious group of fishermen who sail out in jackboats many miles away-and Bay Bulls. I understand it was decided that there would be a bait depot at Placentia. I trust that the minister is still considering these matters and that he will not disappoint people who are expecting to have these facilities.
There is one other matter to which I should like to refer, the salmon fishing industry in the inland waters so far as the tourist trade is concerned. The preservation of salmon stocks requires a study of inland waters and therefore close integration between forest research and water supply. The maintenance of levels in lakes and rivers is a very big problem, and can only be done by co-operation between experts in the Department of Fisheries and the Department of Resources and Development. I am aware that at the northeast section of Trepassey river tagging was carried on for a short period, and the warden of that river also made some examination of all fish caught by measuring the length and taking samples of the scales to be sent to the biological station in St. John's. I trust that practice can be carried on in as many rivers as possible.
I noticed that there was tagging being carried on in Cape Royal river, which I know very well. It is a tiny river, and I do not think it is suitable for that purpose. The Trepassey is a very much better river. I have been going there for sixteen years, and I know it has a steady supply of fish except for last summer which was most extraordinary. For the first time the fish were prevented for weeks from entering the river. When the water level becomes too low in the river, fishing is finished. We have to try to keep people from cutting timber along the

banks of the rivers and lakes so that there can be a more even flow of water. If that effort is successful, then salmon fishing in the rivers will be, as it should be, a great attraction for tourists and will provide much pleasure for them.
That is. all I wish to say, Mr. Chairman, but I trust that the minister will give some consideration to the points I have raised.


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112. Fisheries inspection, including fishery officers and guardians, fisheries patrol and protection services, $3,771,000.
Winfield Chester Scott McLure: I notice that there is an increase of $546,000 over last year. No doubt it is due to the number of extra employees who have been taken on. I see that there are 275 inspectors and other types of officers. I should like to know how many of these are inspectors or fish wardens in Prince Edward Island. If the minister could also give an idea of the work these officers are doing in Prince Edward Island, I would appreciate it.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: Mr. Chairman, item 112 covers additional positions. There are 275, and that includes a number of inspectors who have been taken over from the Newfoundland fisheries board and are now included in the regular estimates. Last year they were covered by a separate estimate. That amounts to $359,206. Then there are the regular statutory increases, promotional increases, reclassification increases, and casual assistance, which amounts to $176,367. This will give the hon. member an idea of the details in connection with that particular item. The number employed in Prince Edward Island is 37 full time, and 22 of these 37 are inspectors.


Mr. Higgins:: Will the minister state whether the inspectors that were taken on from the Newfoundland service are on full time?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: The staff of the Newfoundland board has simply been transferred to our department, and is on full time.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Does this also take in the wardens on the rivers?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: I believe they have been taken over as well. We have recently taken over the inland fisheries.


Gordon Francis Higgins: And it applies to them? They will be permanent too?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: I think they are, but I would not like to make the categorical statement that all of them are.


Gordon Francis Higgins: The minister does not know
how many of those wardens there are?
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Robert Wellington Mayhew: The department took over
40 from the Newfoundland fisheries board, and they are permanent.


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113. Educational extension service, including grant of $3,000 to Lunenburg fisheries exhibition, $225,000.
Winfield Chester Scott McLure: In connection with the educational program, I should like to know who is the fishing demonstrator, and lecturer, and what area he or she covers. I should like to find out what the $82,160 for materials in the lecture course covered. What are they required for, and what are they? Another large item is advertising and publicity. What is the object of the advertising, and what type of advertising is done? Is it to increase the consumption of fish or the production?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: As to the first question, the person responsible is Miss Hazel Freeman. She has been with the department for many years, and is a capable person. The money spent on supplies and materials is to provide for obtaining exhibits for display at national exhibitions and regional fairs; for the production of educational films and the obtaining of film strips and still pictures; for materials and supplies necessary for the display in the development of the consumer service. The decrease is due to the fact that some of the existing exhibits can be utilized at new locations.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: The item seems very large
for materials for a lecture course.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Will the minister outline
what this item covers? I am not familiar with it, and it would not take too long.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: This service provides for
the operation of the departmental information and educational service, which includes fishery cookery demonstration exhibits at national and regional exhibitions; film and film strips and still pictures; consumer education; publishing of reports and pamphlets, cookbooks, etc., including the monthly fishing trade news advertising; and for providing technical services to fishermen and the fishing industry.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Why the particular reference to Lunenburg? Is that a special fair or exhibition?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: It is a grant to that special
exhibition at Lunenburg.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Is that the only exhibition
there is?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: That is the only one of that kind.


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114. Fish culture development, $750,000.
Mr. Sinclair:: Mr, Chairman, I am making my annual speech on the small dam in my riding which has not yet been built. Before I do so I want to speak first as a representative of a fishing riding, to say once again how pleased we are with the steady progress which has been made in the development of the fisheries department since the end of the war. I have in my riding both the fish packing industry, and a great number of fishermen. Both the industry and the fishermen are pleased with the steady expansion of the service, and the conservation work which has been done. That does not blind me to the fact that there is still a cinder in the eye so far as my riding is concerned, and that is the little fishing dam on Sakinaw lake near Pender harbour, which is the chief fishing town in my riding.
I have talked about this for ten years. When the present Minister of Fisheries became minister he saw the need for the dam, and an item of $5,000 was put in the estimates. It is about twice what the dam should cost, but that shows you how small a problem it is. The fishermen tell me that when the previous dam was in place the sockeye salmon were there to the extent of about 20,000, which means a fishery of about $40,000 a year. It made excellent fishing for the old men and the boys in the area, because the fishermen themselves go far afield. I am much interested in this community, because I think it is typical of the very best fishing communities. The fishermen are mostly of Scotch descent. They do not ask for price support; they do not ask for big expenditures for fishermen's harbours; they do not ask for assistance in the construction of boats; they do not ask for free bait; all they want to do is to fish. They want to fish the year round, and sometimes they fish more enthusiastically than the department sees fit, and they have trouble because they are working too hard. The one thing they do want to make sure of is that there shall be fish there for fishing.
It is now two or three years since the item for this small dam was voted, but there have been continual delays in the building of this little dam. It could be built in a week. The latest delay is said to be caused by the Indians who own the land through which this stream passes. They are demanding a rental of $150 a year. The fishermen's union and I have taken it up with the local Indian band, and they have consented to reduce the rental to $75 a year. The local chief said that if a white man owned this land the government could not build on it without paying a rental, and after all, the
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Indians have as much right to their land as the white man. I must confess I am inclined to agree with the Indians.
Under this item I do not think it unreasonable for the department to do two things. First of all they should pay the Indians what they would pay a white man if he owned this property; second, investing a small amount of money to produce fish that can be sold is better than paying price support for fish that cannot be sold. I should like to ask the minister what progress is being made in the negotiations with this Indian band.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: The member for Coast-
Capilano said the Indians had agreed to a rental of $75 instead of $150 for the land. This is the first time I have heard of that. They have been asking $150. It is true that $150 is not in itself enough to delay this or any other project, but it establishes a precedent or basis of calculation that would make some of the other projects we have in mind away out of reach. The department at the present time are proposing to build a fishway at Morristown, and that fishway will cost in the neighbourhood of $60,000. It also is on an Indian reserve. If we had to pay $150 a year for the privilege of having a few square feet to anchor the dam on each side of the small Sakinaw creek, then I do not know what we would have to pay for similar privileges at Morristown. So it is not just the $150.
I know there has been delay, and no one's face is redder than mine about it. First, there seem to be about as many steps to take in getting through a small project as there are in getting through a large project. Here it was to dam this creek. There were nineteen people that we had to get permission from. Of those nineteen people I think only one or two were residing there; the others were scattered around with domiciles in different parts of Canada. They had to be hunted up and their permission had to be obtained to raise the water level. That has been done. Then when we went to the Indian band, they wanted $150 as a yearly rental. The last communication we had on it was just a few days ago. The present minister in charge of Indian affairs has been most co-operative and helpful, and I think the matter will be settled soon. I do not think the hon. member will have to bring the matter up next year. I hope, however, that will not prevent him from making a contribution to these discussions.


James Sinclair: I will certainly ask the minister about it next year, and in view of what he has said, I hope that the answer will be that the dam is built.


Gordon Francis Higgins: May I ask the minister how many hatcheries there are, where they are

located, and what type of fish they are taking care of in those hatcheries? Is any special provision being made for Atlantic salmon? If so, where are those hatcheries? What investigation has been carried on at the Grand Banks?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: We are not carrying on any extensive investigations at the Grand Banks; but so far as salmon is concerned, we are doing a great deal, not in one province but in all provinces. I think hon. members will recall that some time ago I said I thought that our efforts should be weighted towards the species of fish for which we could get a ready sale. One of those species is of course salmon, both on the Atlantic and on the Pacific coast. Although our Atlantic friends think we have not the right to call our Pacific coast fish salmon, nevertheless that is what we call them.
We are spending a great deal of money in clearing streams, in providing dams and in seeing that the fish get to the spawning grounds. We are fighting a hard battle not only to maintain our present supply of fish but to increase it. That battle is against industries that sometimes regard our rivers more as a sewerage system than anything else. We have to try to get fish up there and to get them to live in that kind of environment.
We are trying to protect the species against improved methods of catching fish. The kill of salmon from a commercial standpoint and the_ kill of salmon by sportsmen is increasing rapidly. I make no apology for having some increase in this item, and I think that the amount will probably have to be increased rather than maintained at the present level if we are going to win in this fight. It is not only for the salmon, but it is for the many other species of fish for which there is an easy market and of which we cannot find enough to supply the present market, such as lobsters, oysters, shrimp, and some ground-fish. There is a ready market for them. We are spending a great deal of money. We are not detracting or taking away from our efforts with regard to the others, but we are adding to our efforts in connection with those particular species.
The hon. member asked how many hatcheries we have. The number in Nova Scotia is 15; in New Brunswick, 7; in Prince Edward Island, 3. That makes a total of 25.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Is it proposed to establish any hatcheries in the newest province?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: We shall have to give that matter consideration. We have only taken over for a few hours, as it were.
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Gordon Francis Higgins: I am not making any complaint.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: We have no objection to your bringing these matters up for discussion and pressing for them. We realize that in some of the provinces the fisheries are the basis of their economic stability. We are trying to work out plans with the provincial government, with the industry and among ourselves, so that all three will combine in an effort to maintain that stability. It affects particularly the province of Newfoundland, but it also affects New Brunswick, in a lesser degree Nova Scotia, and in a still lesser degree Prince Edward Island, which is so highly developed as an agricultural centre. It is a beautiful place, and we are not neglecting it. You have some districts in Prince Edward Island that we think are marginal, and we should like to do something about it just as soon as we can get around to it.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Last year I made a suggestion to the minister in connection with the conservation of salmon. I would appreciate some comment from him if he feels like making it. At that time I suggested that the only salmon fishing I know of is that which is done in Newfoundland, and at the mouths of the rivers; a number of the fishermen live there and they fish right at the mouth of the river. I made the suggestion that it might be well to subsidize these fishermen not to fish for a period of two or three years. It might be much cheaper than having hatcheries in Newfoundland. I think it could be easily arranged. I know the minister is aware of the situation, since he was in Newfoundland last year. The fishermen use nets close to the mouths of the rivers. They use cod nets. They cannot be prohibited. Because of the use of cod nets, the smallest type of salmon are being caught and the rivers are definitely becoming depleted. I should like to have the minister's comment as to whether he agrees with that suggestion or not. To me it appears to be a sensible way of handling this conservation problem. Nobody would be hurt, and the department would still be saving money.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: It sounds like a simple way; but I think that if the hon. member were sitting in my position as Minister of Fisheries he would have to get larger premises to accommodate the delegations of sports fishermen who would descend upon him if they were robbed of their rights to catch some fish.


Gordon Francis Higgins: I did not say to rob them; I meant to pay them.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: Even to delay them. With most of the fishermen there is no tomorrow.

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That is our principal trouble, that there is no tomorrow so far as the fishermen are concerned. We are trying to create a tomorrow by doing a good job.


Gordon Francis Higgins: I merely want subsidies and support, not for the sport fishermen, but for the sea fishermen at the mouths of the rivers; pay them what their average catch would be. The result would be a great saving of fish.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: And it would cost the government about $50 million a year.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Oh, not at all-not anything like that.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: If you did it there you would have to do it at other places.


Gordon Francis Higgins: I merely suggest trying it as an experiment at a couple of rivers.


Mr. Siuari (Charlotte):: I was very much interested in the statement made by the minister. He suggested that fish for which markets are readily to be found were receiving consideration so far as protection is concerned. Mention was made of lobsters. My^ mind goes back to several articles that I read' recently in magazines published in the state of Maine, indicating that lobster hatcheries in the state of Maine are making a very favourable report this year. I have seen several statements of the kind. To my knowledge the hatcheries that we have in New Brunswick have nothing to do with lobsters.
As any member of the department who has visited the maritimes would know, there is no shortage of spawn lobsters in that territory. At different seasons of the year thousands and thousands of female lobsters, spawn lobsters, can be obtained. In the exchange of information between the minister's department and the United States department, is the minister in a position to say whether the statement I have made is correct? Has the fisheries department in mind at any time the idea of establishing hatcheries somewhere in the maritime provinces?
I might also mention that in my riding- and one's own riding is the one that one usually thinks of first-there is a lobster pound that was formerly used by R. J. Conley Company. It would be available at the present time for that type of work. I am sure it could be obtained at reasonable rental by the department, and lobsters are available at all seasons of the year in that region. I should like the minister to comment on that.


Mr. MacNaughi:: In reply to the hon.
member for Charlotte I may say that in the state of Maine the value of artificial hatching of lobsters has become so doubtful that the authorities there have cancelled plans for the

expansion of the facilities. Instead they are carrying out an extensive investigation to determine what happens to the small lobsters when they are planted. They are using the entire output of their rearing station for this purpose. Canadian scientists are keeping closely in touch with this investigation. It would obviously be unwise to undertake any program of establishing lobster rearing stations until further results of this investigation are available.


Andrew Wesley Stuart: The parliamentary assistant has mentioned the value of lobster hatcheries. Can he give me some idea of the value of trout hatcheries in New Brunswick to the industry and to the general public?


John Watson MacNaught: The great value of trout or salmon hatcheries is chiefly to restock areas where the species have become badly depleted.


Andrew Wesley Stuart: I believe the same number of men who are employed in the trout hatcheries in New Brunswick could be employed in the rearing of lobsters. If that were done we would find in a very short time that in dollars and cents it would be worth a great deal more to New Brunswick than the set-up you have at the present time.


Mr. Blackmore:: May I say a word or two in support of the minister's policy of increasing hatcheries and increasing the supply of fish throughout the country? I believe it is a fundamental principle that has to be recognized, and it is beginning to be recognized by everyone in Canada that we should do everything possible to build up our stocks of fish to their former abundance. I therefore support the minister in the expenditures that he now asks for, and I would support him if they were greater than the ones he now proposes.
I should like to bring one matter to the minister's attention. I am not quite sure whether he has to do with the fish hatcheries in parks. In my riding we have a park, and I suppose you will find parks in a great many other ridings, in which there are lakes and streams in which it is desirable to replenish the fish. There is a hatchery there, but up to the present time the reports that I have indicate that the hatchery, after producing the small fish, the fry, turns the fry loose into the lakes-


Robert Wellington Mayhew: Is this a national park?


John Horne Blackmore: Yes, Waterton national
park in southern Alberta.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: That is under a different department.


John Horne Blackmore: The principle is all right, anyway. The point is that the fish are turned into the lakes while they are tiny little

things. There they readily become the prey of oiher fish. It seems desirable, in fact it must be desirable, to have little pounds made where the water will be warm enough and where these little fish can attain sufficient size to be able to take care of themselves. I understand they would then be called finger-lings. I wonder whether the minister has taken steps to provide for little pounds in which the fish could grow up. I would support such a proposal because the wastage of little fry when they are put into the lakes to look after themselves is terrific.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: National parks are not under the Department of Fisheries; neither are the hatcheries in these parks. This matter should be referred to my colleague the Minister of Resources and Development, who is in charge of tourist trade.


John Horne Blackmore: Is there any provision for correlation between the efforts of the Minister of Fisheries and the efforts of the minister in charge of parks? It would seem to me to be an excellent opportunity for correlation.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: In addition to that, we do not administer fisheries in the central provinces. These parks are mostly in the central provinces; therefore the co-operation would come through the provincial government rather than through the federal government. We are glad to give any assistance we can when we are asked, but we have not been asked.


Mr. Low:: Do the minister and his department agree with the principle stated by the hon. member for Lethbridge, that instead of stocking streams and lakes with fry, have rearing ponds of various descriptions to raise them to the point where they are able to take care of themselves? I understand that in the stocking of fry the mortality is up to ninety per cent.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: Our policy is to have hatcheries and to have rearing ponds. From the rearing ponds they go to the streams in which they are planted.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: Under this item of fish culture I notice there is $112,899 for materials; and for the acquisition or construction of buildings there is an amount of $166,030. Where were the buildings purchased?


John Watson MacNaught: The materials and supplies for the hatcheries include gas and oil for the department's trucks, fuel oil, wood and coal for the fish hatcheries and dwellings, ice, salt, nails, brooms, brushes, whisks, truck tires, rubber boots, coats, fish food, and so on. That is fish food for the fish in the ponds, and it consists of beef liver, hog liver, spleen, lungs, lamb livers, horse meat, dried blood, sardines, herring, tripe and so on. Then there is the
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purchase of fish, eggs of parent salmon, water fertilizer, material for poisoning lakes, rifles, shot guns, ammunition for predator control, and screen clearance.


Mr. Smith (Calgary West):: Do they give them liqueurs after feeding?


John Watson MacNaught: Absolutely. This amounts to about $50,000. Then there is the acquisition or construction of buildings, including the land.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: What about buildings?


John Watson MacNaught: It is mostly for repairs. There is a large list of them, if the hon. member thinks it worth while to put it on the record. There is Bedford hatchery, $7,500; Grand Lake rearing station, $3,000; Margaree hatchery, $3,400; Mersey river rearing station, $6,000-there is a whole list of them. Does the hon. member want me to continue?


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: No.


John Watson MacNaught: There is one large item for the construction of the Morristown fishway for $60,000.


Mr. Calherwood:: As the great lakes fishing industry is an important part of the industry in Canada, will the minister outline what work has been done in fish culture on the great lakes?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: That is done by the province of Ontario. They administer their own fisheries and look after their own fish culture. However, we are willing to co-operate with them and to advise, if necessary.


A. Earl Catherwood: Does not the federal
government make a contribution toward hatcheries on the great lakes?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: I am told we do not.


Mr. Macdonnell (Greenwood):: On a question of privilege, I am wondering whether this protest movement in action to my left would come under your scope, Mr. Chairman. I note that standing order 12 says that Mr. Speaker shall preserve order and decorum. Could we have a ruling, or does it come within your authority?


Mr. Slewarl (Winnipeg North):: There is very little evidence left of any breach of order and decorum. The sandwiches have been eaten.


Gordon Francis Higgins: What knowledge has the
department in connection with the successful canning of live lobsters?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: This experiment was begun about a year or two ago, and we have not heard anything about it recently. We have very little knowledge of it. It appears to be an expensive process.

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Gordon Francis Higgins: Is it successful?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: It is successful in that the lobsters can be moved from one point to another and kept alive for some considerable time. But the expense involved is considerable.


Donald Smith: Mr. Chairman, I have been in communication with the department for some time about repairs to dams on the Medway river in Queens county. Medway has been, and I think still is, one of the world's finest salmon rivers. The water levels have continued to drop, and it is felt down there that by erecting dams to hold back the water it would improve angling and help the situation considerably. Has any action been taken?


John Watson MacNaught: The work being carried out on the Medway consists of the building of two small dams, one at Hog Lake and one at Black Rattle, with the main purpose of holding back the water for a longer period and thus enhancing the angling development during the low-water period of summer. The amount for the Hog Lake dam is set at $4,000, and at Black Rattle, $2,000. The Medway system at present is relatively clear. The main trouble was at Charleston, and it is now being removed. A fishway has been installed at Brookfield, and one at Harmony Mills.	Negotiations are now under way
regarding the screening of the intake of the power station to protect the downstream migrants in this place.


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115. Oyster and clam culture, $78,900.
Winfield Chester Scott McLure: I notice there is an increase of $5,200. Is this because of taking in clam culture with oyster culture? What is the revenue from oysters in the maritime provinces? I understand that something over $300,000 worth of oysters were shipped from the leased beds of Prince Edward Island. What would be the royalties on those, and how are they collected?
Where is the clam culture taking place? What kind of clams are being cultivated? Is there any culture of quahogs? Some people are keenly interested in the quahog industry.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: As has been pointed out, the increase here is $5,200. This consists of increases in permanent salaries amounting to $660, temporary assistance, $1,360; wages, $1,735; acquisition of equipment, $4,500. This makes a total of $8,255. Then there are some decreases in printing and stationery, and office equipment, $75; travelling expenses, $1,990; material and supplies, $950, and sundries, $40, making a total decrease of $3,055, or a net increase of $5,220.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: What royalties were received last year? Where does the clam culture take place?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: The over-all oyster royalties amount to $5,132.62. There is no specific area in which clam culture is taking place. It is linked in with oyster culture.


Mr. Black (Cumberland):: What progress has been made in the protection of oyster beds in Cumberland county? The department had undertaken certain work near Wallace and Malagash, and took over certain established beds. It is expected that these beds would be turned over to private individuals who would lease them. Could the minister make a statement on this?


John Watson MacNaught: The oyster developments around that area have been going on rather slowly. At Malagash arrangements are being made to construct a dike in an adjacent silt-free area. The department's object is to demonstrate the practicability of utilizing tide flats for the production of seed oysters, as is now done in many European countries and in parts of the United States. If successful, this method may prove to be the cheapest way of rearing small oysters. The great difficulty in the oyster industry is the rearing of small oysters.


Percy Chapman Black: What happens to the young oysters? Are they distributed throughout the district?


John Watson MacNaught: They are placed in other areas.


Percy Chapman Black: There are some beds being developed for commercial purposes, and I should like to know what success has been achieved.


John Watson MacNaught: I have no information on that before me, but I can assure the hon. member that this matter is receiving very sympathetic attention.


Percy Chapman Black: This effort has been carried on for some time, and I understood one of the primary purposes was to establish beds for the commercial production of oysters in the Wallace harbour and Malagash area.


John Watson MacNaught: Very little interest has been shown by the local people in leases. We have not the details before us, but I know that in the Northumberland strait area the quantity of oysters has been increased by 100 barrels in 1949 over 1948. In 1948 the production was 3,500 barrels; in 1949 it was 3,600 barrels.


Percy Chapman Black: That does not indicate very great success. I understand that a good oyster bed will produce several hundred barrels per year per acre.


John Watson MacNaught: But it takes a long time to develop it.


Percy Chapman Black: Only a few years.


John Watson MacNaught: Oh, no, it takes from four to six years for oysters to grow to a merchantable size.


Percy Chapman Black: The life of an oyster is only four or five years. I understand that the effort is being made to bring some of these oyster beds back into production. There is practically an unlimited market for oysters from Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick, because people all over Canada realize there is no better oyster to be found anywhere in the world. I am disappointed that the minister cannot give a more satisfactory report on these efforts that have been carried on for many years.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: We have not the complete history before us, but I shall undertake to supply the hon. member with it. He is interested in this matter, and the success of the project depends upon the interest shown by the local people. We hope the interest shown by the hon. member will stimulate interest by others. This must be regarded as something in the nature of an experimental farm, and sometimes the results seem rather slow. They seem to be slow to me, and I can understand why they seem to be slow to the hon. member.


Andrew Wesley Stuart: About ninety per cent of the clams that are shucked in Charlotte county, as well as most of the lobsters produced there, are shipped to the United States. In the past large clams have been shipped to the United States, but they have not been received favourably, and in many cases losses have been sustained by the shippers. The United States market demands a small clam. This may toe due to the fact that they are sold by the dozen at roadside stands and restaurants. The same thing applies to lobsters,
I understand it is hard for those who have little knowledge of the lobster industry to realize the difference between the price received for a chicken lobster and the price received for a select lobster. A chicken lobster will bring no more than 35 cents per pound on the market, whereas a select lobster is worth from 60 to 65 cents per pound. Whether we like it or not, we shall have to supply that market with the type of lobster they want and with the small clam they want.
When the large clam canneries are operating, the shuckers are able to sell the large clams to the canneries, but when they are closed there is quite a loss in that regard.
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I ask the department to give serious consideration to changing the size limit so that these shucking plants may carry on. In my own constituency these plants employ quite a number of girls who make good money, and in my estimation they are responsible for the price of clams being higher today than at any time in the history of the country. I ask the department to consider seriously the .fact that we have to produce something that will sell, that we have to give the United States market the type of article they want over there.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: Did the hon. member say that chicken lobsters were worth 65 cents a pound to the fisherman?


Andrew Wesley Stuart: I quoted the prices paid by R. J. Conley Company at St. Andrews for live lobsters.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: What does the fisherman receive at the boatside? He never gets more than 23 cents per pound.


Andrew Wesley Stuart: I do not want to enter into an argument about price spreads. These lobsters are held in pounds for several months. They are purchased in Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, and sometimes great losses result. R. J. Conley and Company ship lobsters to the United States 365 days in the year. Recently I was in their plant with the Minister of Veterans Affairs, and on that day they shipped 26,000 pounds of lobsters to the United States. More than ninety-six per cent of the lobsters they purchase are sold in the United States.


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119. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international Pacific salmon fisheries commission, appointed under treaty dated May 26, 1930, between Canada and the United States, for the protection, preservation and extension of the sockeye salmon fisheries of the Fraser river system, $180,650.
Mr. Gibson:: I know the minister must have received a communication recently from the united fishermen and allied workers union in regard to the proposed division of the catch of sockeye salmon that will come to the Fraser river this year. I wonder if it would not be advisable for the minister to give us some idea of the reply he made. It might be helpful to other members from British Columbia who received the same letter.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: The letter that the hon. member refers to came to my office only a couple of days ago. I have scarcely had time to do more than read it. I have not given it enough consideration to reply to it, but will be doing so in a day or two.


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121.	To provide for transportation, dressing and
dyeing and other expenses incidental to receiving and disposing of fur seal skins accruing to Canada pursuant to provisional fur seal agreement between Canada and the United States by exchange of notes dated December 26, 1947, $500,000.
Gordon Francis Higgins: I should like to ask the minister for an explanation of this item of $500,000. This is what you spend but what do you get out of it? What profit is there to Canada?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: The net profit to Canada oif the Pribilof seals last year was $682,000. Sixty-five per cent of our portion of the seals goes to the Fouke fur company in St. Louis for dressing, twenty-five per cent to C. W. Martin & Son, London, England, and ten per cent to Martin-Schnaufer Limited in Toronto. We have been checking with the firm in Toronto to see how they are getting along, and our latest information is that England is sending 400 of its seals to the Toronto factory for processing, indicating that there is a development taking place at Toronto.


Gordon Francis Higgins: You made a profit of three-quarters of a million dollars.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: The net to Canada, including what we pay im customs duties, is $682,000.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: I understand from what the minister says that you are sending a certain amount to the new plant in Toronto for processing. We know how the processing done in the United States compares with the processing of Martins of London, England; but how does the processing of the Canadian firm compare? In the last sale I noticed that skins processed in the United States brought the highest price. It is not a matter of how cheaply we can get the processing done. It is a question of the finished product, and one thing about which the department must be careful is to see that the finished article is kept up to the standard of those finished in the United States. If the seals are not properly processed and obtain a lower price than the same quality of skins processed in the United States, then it will be a bad thing for the industry in Canada.
As the minister has told the committee, there is enormous profit in the fur seal industry of the Pribylov islands. It is something that should be protected and looked after carefully. Going back to the year 1945, I made inquiries at that time and found that there was a profit of $136,000, and we were spending nearly $300,000. Today there is an enormous profit, and it can be greater still if, through co-operation between the governments of Canada and the United States, we decide to take off a greater number of skins. The minister will correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that for this year they 
decided to take off about twenty-five per cent more skins than last year. However, that will be verified from the results of what they do at the Pribilof islands.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: Mr. Chairman, generally
speaking Canada has received more for skins processed in St. Louis than for those processed in England. For that reason the amount sent to England was considerably less than that sent to the United States. I think we would be pretty severely criticized, however, if we did not give the Toronto firm some skins to prove whether or not they can do the work in Canada. We do not know whether it will be successful because we have not yet had any finished skins from the Toronto plant. Apparently London is satisfied that their curing is equally good, because they have sent some of their own skins from England to be finished in the Toronto plant. I should like to at least give our own people a fair chance in order to ascertain whether they can or cannot do the work.
The prices of the various cured skins have varied from time to time, and in the last sale just a few days ago British cured skins brought a fairly good price.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: I was not making any complaint about giving a percentage of the skins to the Toronto firm.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: No.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: What I say is if their processing is not equal to that of the United States, then by all means do not continue it, because our furs have a wonderful name and we might just as well keep it. The highest price realized at the St. Louis and Montreal sales was for a Canadian skin, the product of the Pribilof islands, which had been processed in St. Louis. I should like to know what is paid for processing in St. Louis, what is paid for processing of the same article to Martins of London, and also what is to be paid for processing at Toronto.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: Does the hon. members mind if I give him that information tomorrow? We do not have it broken down in the way he 'wants it. I may say that the Martins company is a very old firm; also we felt that we did not want to risk putting all our eggs in the one basket, and for that reason our allotment was divided. Canada has a very high reputation for her furs, and we are not going to see her lose that reputation by accepting poorly cured seal skins, no matter where they come from.


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122.	To provide for the destruction of harbour seals, $60,000.
Gordon Francis Higgins: There are no details for this particular item; will the minister explain it?


John Watson MacNaught: The amount of the bounty paid for adult seals, matured seals, in the maritime provinces has been increased to $10. It used to be $5.


Gordon Francis Higgins: Ten dollars per seal?


John Watson MacNaught: Ten dollars per seal; that is right.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: What was paid by way of bounty in Prince Edward Island last year for seals?


John Watson MacNaught: 


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: At $5 per pelt?


John Watson MacNaught: That is right.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: Now that has been increased to $10?


John Watson MacNaught: Yes, to $10 for mature seals.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: Will the proposition also be made to those who are going after seals that they separate the carcass and have it sent to the fish meal plant? Some of them are counting on that.


John Watson MacNaught: We require the jaw bone, and that is what the bounty is paid on.


Percy Chapman Black: Would the
minister give a comparative figure on the bounties that were paid in the county of Cumberland, Nova Scotia?


John Watson MacNaught: The counties of Cumberland and Colchester, 116 seals, or $580.


John Lambert Gibson: Is the same price paid in British Columbia?


John Watson MacNaught: You will note that in my answer I said the price for adult seals applied only to the maritime provinces. In all other areas it is $5.


John Lambert Gibson: What is the reason for the difference in price?


John Watson MacNaught: The problem is more serious in the maritime provinces because the biologists have found that the harbour seal acts as the host for the cod worm, and that is a very tough problem in the maritimes. .


Andrew Wesley Stuart: Does the item of the deep sea fishing bounty come under this vote?


John Watson MacNaught: No; we are on item 122.


Andrew Wesley Stuart: Is it not under the same item?
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John Watson MacNaught: No; this covers harbour seals.


Andrew Wesley Stuart: But there is an "(S)" under the item.


John Watson MacNaught: That designates a statutory amount, and that is the fishing bounty.


Andrew Wesley Stuart: Therefore I can discuss it on this item. I want to ask whether the department has ever had any other idea for the disposition of this bounty. This is a bounty paid to fishermen on the Atlantic coast, and it amounts to $7 or $8 per fisherman. In my estimation perhaps 50 per cent of the fishermen who are eligible for the bounty never receive it. Has the department ever considered some other method of disposing of this $60,000?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: Mr. Chairman, we have given consideration to various ways of distributing this money. Consideration was given to whether we could buy insurance for the fishermen which would give them greater benefit. We have not as yet found a better way.


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123.	To provide for administration expenses of Newfoundland fisheries board, $101,300.
Gordon Francis Higgins: Will the minister explain the decrease in the amount of this item? In the particulars given it appears that the largest amount cut off is for temporary assistance.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: There has been no decrease. In fact, there has been an increase in the cost of this work to the government. This item has been transferred from the Newfoundland board to the Department of Fisheries here.


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124.	To provide for maintenance and extension of bait service, $548,400.
John Lambert Gibson: I notice there is a substantial
increase in this item, and I imagine that once again it is for the maritime provinces exclusively.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: It is practically all for Newfoundland. We are providing for three new bait services, but we do not know whether we will build three.


Mr. Herridge:: I have discussed this bait
service for the maritimes with the member for Charlotte several times, and he has given me a lot of information about it. I have never understood it clearly. Will the minister explain exactly what service is provided?


Robert Wellington Mayhew: This was a Newfoundland
government service which we took over from the Newfoundland government at the
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time of confederation. They had bait storage depots and a refrigerator boat that went out to sea and brought in herring. These herring were put into the cold storages and later distributed as bait. The proposal was that the government would break even on it-that is, that they would do it on a cost basis. However, that was not the result before we took it over, and has not been the result since. Invariably there has been some loss in connection with it.


John Lambert Gibson: I am curious about this. Out on the Pacific coast, for instance, private concerns catch herring and put them in freezers. It is a regular part of their normal business. I imagine it is quite a profitable part of it. I do not believe it is a very sound principle-[DOT] it may be necessary and I am not criticizing the minister for having taken over this particular service and continuing it temporarily -for the federal fisheries department to be giving away bait.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: I think the hon. member has to take into consideration the fact that there is a great deal of difference between the way fishing is handled in Newfoundland and the way it is handled in British Columbia. There are no big concerns in Newfoundland who can take a loss on bait. I know of no other way of doing it. We shall study the matter to see if somehow we can reduce the loss.


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126. To provide for the extension of educational work in co-operative producing and selling among fishermen, $80,000.
Gordon Francis Higgins: Will the minister explain
what this is? There are no details.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: It is a grant to three universities for educational work among the fishermen.


Mr. Bryce:: I am renewing a request I made on a previous occasion when these estimates were up to see if some of this educational work in co-operative selling could not be done in Manitoba. The minister was going to consider it a year ago.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: It is a little different in
Manitoba. In the inland provinces we do not administer the fisheries. The fathers of confederation were wise enough, I think, to put fisheries under the federal government; but when the natural resources were returned to certain of the provinces, the fisheries as well as other natural resources were transferred; therefore we cannot propose a unified plan for the whole of Canada and administer it without the co-operation of the provinces.


William Scottie Bryce: The money is voted for educational work in co-operative principles, and

that is why I was asking the minister if it was not possible to devise some way of doing some work in Manitoba.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: If we do it for Manitoba we
will have to do it for practically every university across Canada. I do not know whether or not that would be good.


Herbert Wilfred Herridge: I am interested in this item. If any particular province is concerned with carrying on educational work in the development of co-operatives, not only for fishermen but fruit growers and others, would the dominion government-I presume the province makes a contribution-extend those services to other provinces that are willing to co-operate in the same way as the provinces in which these votes are spent?


Mr. Wright:: I might say that in the province of Saskatchewan we have organized an educational extension department. At the present time it is taking up this matter of organizing the fishermen on the lakes into co-operatives to solve some of the problems they have there, just the same as the fishermen have problems in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and the other places. The province is carrying that work on. If the dominion are prepared to assist one province, I would think they would be prepared to assist other provinces that are prepared to go ahead and to do this type of educational work among the fishermen.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: That is the job of the provincial government. They took over the natural resources. They want to administer them and we are allowing them to do so. If there is any way in which we can give them assistance, we shall naturally be prepared to do anything we can. But in doing what they are doing, they are only carrying out their responsibilities.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: This item is for administration purposes, and I thought perhaps I might bring to the attention of the minister a question that I asked him some time ago about protection for the fishermen of Rustico, in my constituency. At the time I asked the question: What about the bombing range? I should now like to know if this bombing range has been definitely decided on; because a certain number of the fishermen, upon considering the matter, think that it will be detrimental to them if this bombing range is located where the officials were first talking about putting it. I had an answer from the minister, in a way, in which it was stated that they would look into the matter. Then when I put the question to the Minister of National Defence, he said that he had nothing further to add to what the Minister of Fisheries had said.

In justice to the fishermen I think that something definite should be given to them. There is no great necessity for taking this location for a bombing range when they already have a bombing range at Chatham in New Brunswick. If it is going to be outside the fourteen mile limit, that is a different question. But if it is just going to be outside the three mile limit, I am told-and I do not know whether it is correct-that it will destroy the fish in that area and that they will leave. I think the fishermen should have assurance as to whether it is going there, when it is going, or how it is they are to seek protection.


John Watson MacNaught: I can tell the hon. member for Queens that no firm decision has been made on the area for a bombing and gunnery range for Prince Edward Island.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: No decision has been made?


John Watson MacNaught: No decision has been made. Many negotiations have taken place and many meetings have been held with the fishermen of the area affected. I am sure that a site can be agreed upon which the majority of the fishermen will say is satisfactory. But it is purely in the preliminary stages.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: The site is agreed upon?


John Watson MacNaught: No; it has not been
definitely agreed upon-"tentatively" probably would be a better word to use. But it is just in the preliminary stages. I do not think any more definite information can be given at the present time. It may never be used.


Winfield Chester Scott McLure: As I said a moment ago, it is not definitely needed when they have one a few miles farther away. Why should they subject the fishermen of that area to this hazard when they have one about thirty miles farther away? Thirty miles by air is not a great distance in these times. I would urge the Minister of Fisheries to take the matter up definitely with the Minister of National Defence. It will be up to the Minister of Fisheries to see that the protection needed out there is given. If it was in time of war and they wanted a second range, it would be a different matter. But they already have a range. For the sake of the distance of thirty miles, coming from Summerside, I do not think we should go after our fishermen so hard.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: I have been in consultation with my colleague the Minister of National Defence, and I am quite prepared to assume the responsibility the hon. member has put on my shoulders.


Herbert Wilfred Herridge: I should like the minister to explain to the committee why the federal government is willing to contribute funds to
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educational work in co-operative producing and selling among fishermen in the maritimes and is not willing to apply the same policy to other provinces in Canada.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: We do it in the maritimes, and there is a vote for British Columbia. Those are the areas in which we are responsible. It was recommended by the royal commission. At the time the grant was made it was for education among the fishermen, to show them how to fish and to care for their gear, and to educate them in methods of co-operative selling. It has gone a little bit further than that, but we assist only in the areas in which we are responsible.


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128. To provide for assistance in the construction of vessels of the dragger and/or long liner type, subject to such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council, $100,000.
Percy Chapman Black: I should like to ask the minister what are the plans with respect to the construction of the vessels for which this vote of $100,000 is being provided. It is supposed to be a wooden vessel. Will tenders be called? I would point out again, as I did the other day, that we have one yard that has been in operation a hundred years or more. It is the shipbuilding yard of Hatfield and Wagstaff. Is is one of the few yards in Nova Scotia that have survived all these years. Wooden ships that sailed the seven seas were built there. I would ask the minister for particulars as to what is proposed, and whether tenders will be called. This is a reliable firm, with as long a record of production as any yard of its kind in Canada.


Mr, Mayhew:: I think the hon. member is a little bit confused about this particular item of $100,000. It is for subsidies to groups of fishermen who have boats or draggers built. The provincial government gives them a loan and we give them a grant of $165 per ton. We have nothing to do with construction of boats at all.


Percy Chapman Black: This vote being under the authority of the minister, I presume he will require that tenders be called so that all yards will have an opportunity of tendering and the contract will be placed with the yard that gives the best value and the lowest price.


Robert Wellington Mayhew: We have nothing to do with the letting of contracts for these draggers. This is to assist a group of individuals who have a right to adopt their own methods of procuring their own boats. It is not something over which we have control.


Gordon Francis Higgins: How much was spent on this item last year?

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Robert Wellington Mayhew: 



WAYS AND MEANS

Hon. W. E. Harris (for the Minister of Finance) moved: that the house go into committee of ways and means.
Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Beaudoin in the chair.


Walter Edward Harris: Resolved, that towards making good the supply granted to His Majesty on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1951, the sums of $1,044,731,265.43, $1,666,666.67 and $82,451,398, respectively, be granted out of the consolidated revenue fund of Canada.


James MacKerras Macdonnell: These figures are being produced without there being any chance of checking them in any way. Can the minister assure us that they have been carefully checked and that there is no possibility of error?


Stuart Sinclair Garson: I can assure my hon. friend
that they have been checked.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in.
Mr. Harris (Grey-Bruce) thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 319, for granting to His Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of the fiscal year ending March 31, 1951.


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Motion agreed to, and bill read the first time.
Walter Edward Harris: the second reading of the bill.


Mr. Drew:: We have got things through
quite satisfactorily tonight and I think the second reading should be left over until tomorrow. Hon. members will then have an opportunity to examine the bill, which I am sure is in exact form, before it is passed.



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Louis Stephen St-Laurent: If I could have unanimous consent I should like to move:
That when the house rises tonight it will reassemble at ten-thirty tomorrow morning.
Hon. members will then have an opportunity to consider the appropriation bill, and we shall be able to arrange for prorogation before noon.


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Motion agreed to.
On motion of Mr. St. Laurent the house adjourned at 11.55 p.m.
[The following items were passed in committee of supply):

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111.	Departmental administration, $418,340.
112.	Fisheries inspection, including fishery officers and guardians, fisheries patrol and protection services, $3,771,000.
113.	Educational extension service, including grant of $3,000 to Lunenburg fisheries exhibition, $225,000.
114.	Fish culture development, $750,000.
115.	Oyster and clam culture, $78,900.
Fisheries research board of Canada-
116.	Operation and maintenance, $1,500,000.
117.	Construction and improvements, $265,000.
118.	To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international fisheries commission appointed under treaty dated January 29, 1937, between Canada and the United States for the preservation of the north Pacific halibut fisheries, $50,000.
119.	To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international Pacific salmon fisheries commission appointed under treaty dated May 26, 1930, between Canada and the United States for the protection, preservation and extension of the sockeye salmon fisheries of the Fraser river system, $180,650.
120.	To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international Pacific salmon fisheries commission to overcome obstructions to the ascent of sockeye salmon at Hell's Gate canyon and for investigating
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and overcoming obstructions to such salmon at other points on the Fraser river watershed (revote) $70,000.	'
121.	To provide for transportation, dressing and dyeing and other expenses incidental to receiving and disposing of fur seal skins accruing to Canada pursuant to provisional fur seal agreement between Canada and the United States by exchange of notes dated December 26, 1947, $500,000.
122.	To provide for the destruction of harbour seals, $60,000.
123.	To provide for administration expenses of Newfoundland fisheries board, $101,300.
124.	To provide for maintenance and1 extension of bait service, $548,400.
125.	To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international whaling commission, appointed pursuant to the international convention for the regulation of whaling, dated at Washington, December 2, 1946, $3,000.
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126.	To provide for the extension of educational work in co-operative producing and selling among fishermen, $80,000.
127.	To provide for administration expenses of the Fisheries Prices Support Act, 1944, $130,000.
128.	To provide for assistance in the construction of vessels of the dragger and/or long liner type, subject to such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council, $100,000.
129.	To provide for assistance in the construction of bait freezing and storage facilities, subject to the approval of the governor in council, $100,000.
680.	Departmental administration-further amount required, $17,495.
681.	Fisheries inspection, including fishery officers and guardians, fisheries patrol and protection services-further amount required, $317,650.
682.	Educational extension service _____ further
amount required, $25,000.
683.	Fish culture development-further amount required, $29,045.
Fisheries research board of Canada-
684.	Operation and maintenance-further amount required, $50,600.
685. Construction and	improvements-further amount required, $238,000.
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686.	Amount required to recoup fisheries prices support account, to cover the net operating loss of the fisheries prices support board during the fiscal year 1949-50, $869,794.

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A-Department and missions abroad-
64.	Departmental administration, $2,378,880.
65.	Passport office administration, $179,000.
66.	Representation abroad-including payment of salaries of high commissioners, ambassadors, ministers plenipotentiary, consuls, secretaries, and staff appointed as directed by the governor general in council notwithstanding anything to the contrary in the Civil Service Act or any of its amendments. $4,594,836.
67.	To authorize the use during the fiscal year 1950-51 in payment for the acquisition, improvement or furnishing of properties for Canadian government offices and residences in foreign countries of inconvertible foreign currencies from deposits of such currencies which may be used only for governmental or other limited purposes in these countries and which have been received by the government
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of Canada from other governments in settlement of claims arising out of military operations or war expenditures, $1.
68.	To provide for hospitality in connection with visitors from abroad, $20,000.
69.	To provide for relief of distressed Canadian citizens abroad and for the reimbursement of the United Kingdom for relief expenditures incurred by its diplomatic and consular posts on Canadian account, $15,000.
70.	Canadian representation at international conferences, $225,000.
71.	Canadian section of Canada-United States permanent joint board of defence including salary of $7,500 for the chairman, notwithstanding anything contained in the Civil Service Act, $10,000.
72.	Grant to United Nations Association in Canada,
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The Canadian government's assessment for membership in the following international or commonwealth organizations-
73.	United Nations organization, $1,343,700. Specialized agencies-
74.	Food and agricultural organization of the United Nations, $226,600.
75.	International Labour Organization, $257,000.
76.	United Nations educational, scientific and cultural organization, $309,500.
Commonwealth organizations-
77.	Commonwealth communications council, $6,006.
78.	Commonwealth economic committee, $17,300.
79.	Commonwealth shipping committee, $1,050.
80.	Inter-allied reparations agency, $8,670. International1 civil aviation organization-
81.	To provide the international civil aviation organization with office accommodation at cost, $63,927.
International joint commission-
82.	To provide for preliminary studies and surveys of the mid-western watershed (revote), $10,000.
83.	To provide for Canada's share of an investigation on the matter of air pollution in the vicinity of Detroit and Windsor, $40,000.
Terminable services-
84.	To provide for the Canadian government's contribution to the international refugee organization, $2,108,700.
A-Department and missions abroad-
665.	Passport office administration-further amount required, $4,500.
666.	Representation abroad-including payment of salaries of high commissioners, ambassadors, ministers plenipotentiary, consuls, secretaries and staff appointed as directed by the governor in council, notwithstanding anything to the contrary in the Civil Service Act or any of its amendments-further amount required, $280,000.
667.	Grant to Fairfield trust committee towards expenses of the international friendship celebration to be held from August 13 to 15, 1950, $2,000.
B-General-
The Canadian government's assessment for membership in the following international or commonwealth organizations-
668.	Food and agricultural organization of the united nations-further amount required, $20,900.
669.	United nations expanded program for technical assistance to the under-developed countries, $850,000.
Terminable services-
670.	United Nations international children's emergency fund, $600,000.
671.	United Nations relief and works agency for Palestine refugees in the Near East, $750,000.
672.	Commonwealth consultative committee on south and southeast Asia, $400,000.
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133.	Departmental administration, $270,421.
134.	Remission service, including remuneration to members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Force (to be expended under order in council, and not to exceed $1,600) for assistance to this service, and an amount of $17,165 to reimburse the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Force the amounts disbursed by them in ordinary pay and allowances to their men on loan to this service, $114,497.
135.	Administration of justice-miscellaneous expenditure, $10,000.
136.	Expenses of litigated matters, $25,000.
137.	Annual contribution to the Canadian law library, London, England, $750.
Supreme Court of Canada-
138.	Administration, $119,075.
Exchequer Court of Canada-
139.	Administration, $77,550.
Yukon Territorial Court-
140.	Administration, $9,660.
Other courts-
141.	Payments of gratuities to the widows or other dependents of judges who die while in office, $15,000.
142.	Combines investigation branch, $213,235.
143.	Bankruptcy Act administration, $39,420.
General-
144.	To provide for the revision, classification and consolidation of the public general statutes of Canada, $75,000.
145.	To provide for the revision of the Criminal Code, $50,000.
Office of the commissioner of penitentiaries-
146.	Administration of the office of the commissioner of penitentiaries, including $35,000 for grants to recognized prisoners' aid societies, as may be approved by the governor in council, $263,430.
147.	Operation and maintenance of penitentiaries, including administration, construction, purchase of land, supplies, equipment and livestock; maintenance, discharge and transfer of convicts; compensation to discharged convicts permanently disabled while in penitentiaries, $6,895,602.
148.	To provide for the establishment and construction by contract of a new institution in the province of Quebec for the confinement and reformation of federal prisoners and to authorize commitments against future years in the amount of $500,000, $500,000.
149.	William Tatton, $564.
689 Remission service, including remuneration to members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, other police forces and members of social welfare organizations (to be expended under order in council and not to exceed $3,800 additional to the amount of $1 600 in vote 134, main estimates, 1950-51) for assistance to this service-further amount required, $14,541.
690. Yukon Territorial	court-administration- further amount required, $500.
691. Combines investigation	branch-further amount required, $24,434.

Office of the commissioner of penitentiaries-
692.	Operation and maintenance of penitentiaries including administration, construction, purchase of land, supplies, equipment and livestock; maintenance, discharge and transfer of convicts; compensation to discharged convicts permanently disabled while in penitentiaries-further amount required $856,078.
693.	To provide for the establishment and construction by contract of a new institution in the province of Quebec for the confinement and reformation of federal prisoners and to reduce the authority for commitments against future years from $500,000, included in vote 148,-main estimates, 1950-51, to $235,000-further amount required, $265,000.
Royal Canadian Mounted Police-
403.	General administration, $315,742.
404.	Land services-arising out of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, enforcement of federal
generally, and other incidental expenses, $16,496,326.
405.	Marine services-arising out of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, enforcement of federal statutes generally, and other incidental expenses, $1,044,888.
406.	Aviation services-arising out of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, enforcement of federal statutes generally, and other incidental expenses, $184,961.
407.	Grant to the Chief Constables Association of Canada, $500.
Pensions and other benefits-
408.	To compensate members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for injuries received in the performance of duty, $36,000.
409.	Pensions to families of members of the mounted police who have lost their lives while on duty:
Mrs. Mary Emma Bossange, $457.
Mrs. Margaret Johnson Brooke, $840.
Mrs. Margaret Cox, $411.
Mrs. Victoria Desjardins, $411.
Mrs. Georgina Harrison, $677.
Mrs. Letitia Kennedy, $424.
Mrs. Nora Jean Massan, $300.
Mrs. Margaret Nicholson, $548.
Mrs. Catherine Mildred Ralls, $676.
Mrs. Doris Freda Sampson, $816.
Mrs. Madelaine Mary Shoebotham, $810.
Mrs. Eunice Wainwright, $603.
410.	Pension to Basil Burke Currie, $685.
[DOT]411. Pension to Annie A. Greer, $254.
775.	Land services-arising out of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, enforcement of federal
statutes generally, and other incidental expenses__
further amount required, $1,050,449.
776.	Marine services-arising out of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, enforcement of federal statutes generally, and other incidental expenses-further amount required, $48,529.
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275.	Salaries of staff and allowances, $124,260.
Privy council office-
276.	General administration, $249,580.
277.	To provide for expenses of the royal commission on national development in the arts, letters and sciences, $175,000.
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Federal district commission-
278.	Maintenance and improvement of grounds adjoining government buildings, Ottawa, and improvements to the parkway system under the control of the federal district commission, $304,500.
279.	Expenses of the national capital planning committee, $100,000.
280.	To authorize payment of the third instalment to a special account in the consolidated revenue fund known as the national capital fund, established under vote No. 809, Appropriation Act, No. 4 194748, $2,500,000.
Privy council office-
Federal district commission-
724.	Maintenance and improvement of grounds adjoining government buildings, Ottawa, and improvements to the parkway system under the control of the federal district commission-further amount required, $12,000.
725.	To authorize entry into and performance of an agreement, including payment of expenditures incurred by the federal district commission thereunder out of the national capital fund, between the federal district commission and the Canadian National Railway Company to provide, on such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council, that (a) the federal district commission will acquire from His Majesty lands now held by His Majesty for the purpose of a railway cutoff line and freight yard in south Ottawa in accordance with the master plan for the national capital district and will construct, at its expense, the requisite railway facilities thereon; (b) the federal district commission will grant a right of user in perpetuity over the new facilities to the Canadian National Railway Company in exchange for a conveyance free of charge of lands and facilities now used by the railway company for which the new facilities are to be substituted, such right of user not to exclude use by other railways of the faculties as may be agreed by the commission; (c) the federal district commission will reimburse the Canadian National Railway Company for costs incurred by the company by reason of the abandonment of existing facilities and transfer of operations to the new facilities; (d) the Canadian National Railway Company, together with any other railway using the new facilities, will operate and maintain the new facilities at their own expense; and for matters incidental thereto, $1.
Governor general and lieutenant governors-
130 Office'of the secretary to the governor general, including the salary of the secretary to the governor additional to salary authorized by R.S.C. chap. 182, $117,065.	r
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The Senate-
The Speaker of the Senate-
171.	Allowance in lieu of residence, $3,000. Members of the Senate-
172.	General administration, $327,378.
House of Commons-
The Speaker of the House of Commons-
173.	Allowance In lieu of residence, $3,000.
Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons-
174.	Allowance in lieu of apartments, $1,500.
Members of the House of Commons___
175.	General administration-estimates of the Clerk, $873,335.
176.	Estimates of the Sergeant-at-Arms, $519,986.
177.	Subscriptions to publications of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association to be distributed
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to members of the House of Commons, and to provide for the Canadian share of expenses of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association, $10,000.
178.	To provide hereby, notwithstanding anything contained in the Consolidated Revenue and Audit Act or the provisions of the Senate and House of Commons Act respecting the independence of parliament, for the payment out of the consolidated revenue fund to each member of the House of Commons appointed by the governor in council to be a parliamentary assistant (which appointment shall not render such member ineligible or disqualify him as a member of the House of Commons) to assist a minister of the crown in such manner and to such extent as the minister may determine and to represent his department in the House of Commons in the absence of the minister therefrom, a salary of four thousand dollars per annum and pro rata for any period less than a year, $56,000.
179.	To provide for an allowance to the deputy chairman of committees, $2,000.
General-
180.	Printing of parliament, including salaries of staff of the joint distribution office, $266,963.
Library of parliament-
181.	General administration, $132,020.
Pensions and other benefits-
182.	Pensioh to the unmarried sister of the late Colonel Harry Baker, M.P., $700.
The Senate-
699. To provide for the payment of the full sessional indemnity for the session of 1950 to members of the Senate for days lost through absence caused by public business, by illness or on account of death. Payments to be made as the treasury board may direct, $25,000.
700 To provide, notwithstanding anything contained in the Senate and House of Commons Act, for the payment to each member of the Senate who attended the first part of the present session which commenced on February 16, 1950, and ended on April 5, 1950, of an amount representing the actual transportation and living expenses of such member while on the journey between Ottawa and his place of residence after the Easter adjournment of parliament on April 5, 1950, and on the return journey from his place of residence to Ottawa at the end of the recess which commenced on that date, or at any other one time during the present session, $5,000.
701.	General administration-further amount required, $12,868.
House of Commons-
702.	To provide for the full sessional indemnity to members of the House of Commons days lost through absence caused by illness, official public business, or order of the house, or on account of death during the session of 1950-notwithstanding anything to the contrary in chapter 147 of the Revised Statutes, 1927, an act respecting the Senate and House of Commons, or any amendment thereto. Payments to be made as the treasury board may direct, $10,000.
703.	To provide, notwithstanding anything contained in the Senate and House of Commons Act, for the payment to each member of the House of Commons who attended the first part of the present session, which commenced on February 16, 1950, and ended on April 5, 1950, of an amount representing the actual transportation and living expenses of such member while on the journey between Ottawa and his place of residence after the Easter adjournment of parliament on April 5, 1950, and on the return journey from his place of residence to
Ottawa at the end of the recess which commenced on that date, or at any other one time during the session, $15,000.
704.	General administration-estimates of the Clerk -further amount required, $46,900.
705.	Estimates of the Sergeant-at-Arms-further amount required, $3,000.
Library of Parliament-
706.	General administration-further amount required, $6,040.
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Public debt charges-
Servicing of public debt-
97.	Commission for payment of interest on public debt, payment of premiums on government of Canada, sterling securities, services of fiscal agents, London, registrar's fees, etc., $406,100.
98.	To provide, subject to the approval of the treasury board, and as detailed in the estimates, for losses incurred in the issue and redemption of Canada savings bonds, and for miscellaneous losses arising from the sale or distribution of war savings certificates, war savings stamps, victory bonds or Canada savings bonds, $15,500.
Subsidies and other payments to provinces-
99.	To authorize and provide for payment in such amount as may be necessary in respect to those matters supplementary to the terms of union of Newfoundland with Canada, specified in paragraph XXIII of the note dated December 11, 1948, of the Prime Minister of Canada to the chairman of the Newfoundland delegation entitled "statements on questions raised by the Newfoundland delegation during the negotiations for the union of Newfoundland with Canada," tabled in the House of Commons on the 27th day of January, 1949 (revote), $300,000.
Payments to municipalities-
100.	Grants to municipalities in lieu of taxes on 'federal property-to provide for administration of
the program respecting grants to municipalities in lieu of taxes on crown property outlined in the House of Commons on November 14, 1949, including grants and other payments to be made in accordance with regulations of the governor in council, $1,655,000.
Contingencies and miscellaneous-
101.	To provide, subject to the approval of the treasury board, for miscellaneous minor and unforeseen expenses, including recoverable advances for working capital purposes, and for the re-use of any sums repaid to this appropriation from other appropriations, $1,000,000.
102.	Cost of telephone service at Ottawa for all departments, $415,000.
General items of payroll costs including superannuation payments-
103.	To provide for a government contribution to the superannuation fund in an amount equal to the estimated current payments of individual contributions in the previous fiscal year, $7,100,000.
104.	To provide, subject to the approval of the treasury board, for supplementing other votes for the payment of salaries, wages and other paylist charges, $1,000,000.
105.	To provide for the government's contribution as an employer, to the unemployment insurance fund in respect of government employees paid through the central pay office, $1,050,000.
Miscellaneous grants-
106.	Canadian General Council of the Boy Scouts, $15,000.

107.	Canadian Council of the Girl Guides Association, $9,000.
108.	Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, $2,000.
109.	Royal Canadian Academy of Arts, $2,025.
110.	Canadian Writers Foundation, $4,000. Auditor general's office-
46. Salaries and expenses of office, $578,762. General administration-
673.	Departmental administration-further amount required, $63,205.
Administration of various acts and costs of special functions-
674.	To reimburse the Saskatchewan government for the cost of administering provincial rent control in that province, $100,000.
General items of payroll costs including superannuation payments-
675.	To provide, subject to the approval of the treasury board, for supplementing other votes for the payment of salaries, wages and other paylist charges-further amount required, $1,000,000.
Insurance-
131.	Departmental administration, $325,275.
132.	Expenses of work in the interests of fire prevention, $18,165.
687.	Departmental administration-further amount required, $19,652.
688.	Expenses of work in the interests of fire prevention-further amount required, $5,840.
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Terminable services-
555.	Post discharge rehabilitation benefits including out of work allowances, university and vocational training, including the training of merchant seamen and salt water fishermen pensioners, awaiting returns allowances, temporarily incapacitated allowances and unemployment insurance contributions, $14,045,500.
556.	Hospital accommodation and facilities, and to authorize commitments against future years in the amount of $11,319,414, $4,535,000.
Soldier Settlement and Veterans' Land Act-
563.	To provide for protection of security- soldier settlement, and refunds of surplus to veterans, $25,000.
564.	To provide for purchase of land and permanent improvements; cost of permanent improvements to be effected; removal of encumbrances; stock and equipment, refund of surplus to veterans (section 19); and for protection of security under the Veterans' Land Act, $29,000,000.
813.	Treatment services - further amount required, $750,000.
814.	Canadian pension commission-administration expenses, including salaries for the chairman of the Canadian pension commission at $2,000 per annum, and the deputy chairman and each of the other commissioners, including ad hoc commissioners, at $1,000 per annum additional to the salaries provided under chapter 23, statutes of 1948-further amount required, $15,000.
Payments to or for veterans and dependents-
815.	Newfoundland special awards-to authorize and provide for payment of pension in accordance with the provisions of section 32 (2) of the Pension Act to a widow of a former member of the Newfoundland forces whose death took place prior to union where the former member of the forces was in receipt of pension of 50 per cent or more at the time of death and the widow would have been
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entitled to pension if the husband had died after the date of union, such payments to be made from vote 538, main estimates, 1950-51, $1.
816.	War veterans' allowances-further amount required, $3,895,000.
Miscellaneous payments-
817. Employers liability	compensation-further amount required, $30,000.
Soldier Settlement and Veterans' Land Act-
818.	To provide for the cost of administration of Veterans' Land Act; soldier settlement and British family settlement - further amount required, $104,500.
Housing projects-
821. To authorize the Minister of National Defence on transfer to the Department of National Defence of works or buildings, or both, constructed or converted by Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation for the said department, to assume the obligation of the corporation to re-pay advances made to it in respect of the works and buildings so transferred, together with interest, in accordance with the terms of the relevant debentures delivered by Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation as evidence of the obligation, the corporation to be fully discharged from the said obligation to the extent that it is so assumed. $1.
Soldier Settlement and Veterans' Land Act-
824.	To provide for protection of security- soldier settlement, and refunds of surplus to veterans -further amount required, $45,000.
825.	To provide for purchase of land and permanent improvements; cost of permanent improvements to be effected; removal of encumbrances; stock and equipment, refund of surplus to veterans (section 19); and for protection of security under the Veterans' Land Act-further amount required, $1,500,000.
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269.	Departmental administration, $1,373,625.
270.	Post offices, including salaries and other expenses of headquarters and staff post offices and supplies and equipment for revenue post offices, $42,247,430.
271.	Inspection and investigation, $1,895,370.
272.	Railway mail service, $15,857,170.
273.	Air and land mail services, $22,094,857.
274.	Financial services, including audit of revenue, money order and savings bank business, and postage stamps, $2,194,305.
721.	Post offices, including salaries and other expenses of headquarters and staff post offices and supplies and equipment for revenue post offices-further amount required, $1,266,143.
722.	Inspection and investigation-further amount required, $32,675.
723.	Air and land mail services-further amount required, $669,500.
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245. Assistance to schools of social work, $52,500. Old age pensions (including pensions to the blind) -
242. Administration, $86,320.
National health branch-health services-
715.	Opium and narcotic drugs-further amount required, $32,000.
716.	Industrial health-further amount required. $54,379.
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General health grants-
717.	To authorize and provide for health grants to the provinces upon the terms set out in the details of the main estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1951, and in the amounts detailed in these supplementary estimates, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the governor in council and to authorize, notwithstanding section 29 of the Consolidated Revenue and Audit Act, additional commitments for the current year not exceeding $1,144,437, $1.
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B-Unemployment Insurance Act, 1940-
635.	To provide for the payment of unemployment assistance to certain residents of Newfoundland to give effect to the terms of union of Newfoundland with Canada, in accordance with regulations of the governor general in council, and such assistance shall be deemed to be a benefit or payment within the meaning of sections 33 and 67 of the Unemployment Insurance Act, 1940-further amount required, $2,500,000.
A-Department-general administration-
694.	Departmental administration-further amount
required, $15,061.	*
Annuities Act-
695.	To authorize the Minister of Labour, notwithstanding the Government Annuities Act, where he has entered into a contract under the Government Annuities Act, the effective date of which is after May 31, 1920, for payment of a deferred annuity to any two persons during their joint lives with continuation to the survivor and one such person dies before the due date of first instalment, at the request of the survivor and in accordance with regulations made by the governor in council or the provisions of the contract or both, to convert such contract into a contract for the payment of an annuity to the survivor of an amount not exceeding the maximum amount that might have been paid under the original contract and to recalculate the premium to conform to the premium that would have been payable had the survivor been the only annuitant under the original contract; and to provide for payment out of the government annuities account in the current and any subsequent fiscal years in accordance with any contract so converted; and, where conversion has been made as aforesaid, to authorize and provide for payment out of the government annuities account in the current and subsequent fiscal years to the surviving purchaser under the original contract, or his legal representatives, of any amount by which the sums paid in under the original contract, with interest at the rate applicable under that contract, exceed the amount required for the purchase of the maximum annuity payable under the contract as converted, $1.
696.	Fair wages, conciliation, industrial relations, industrial disputes investigations, including the administration of legislation relating thereto, and for activities re promotion of co-operation in industry between labour and management-further amount required, $14,868.
Government employees' compensation-
697.	Administration of the Government Employees' Compensation Act-further amount required, $1,600.
B-Unemployment Insurance Act, 1940-
698.	Administration, including expenditures incurred in connection with the activities of the national employment service as delegated by the Minister of Labour in accordance with section 88 of the act-further amount required, $341,825.
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Science service-
636.	Science service administration - further amount required, $508,000.
637.	Animal and poultry pathology - further amount required, $13,900.
638.	Botany and plant pathology-further amount required, $75,000.
639.	Agricultural entomology - further amount required, $80,500.
640.	Forest entomology-further amount required, $255,000.
Experimental farms service-
641.	Central experimental farm-further amount required, $45,700.
642.	Branch farms and stations and illustration stations-further amount required, $175,265.
Production service-Health of animals-
643.	Administration of Animal Contagious Diseases Act, and Meat and Canned Foods Act- further amount required, $111,580.
644.	Compensation for animals slaughtered, including compensation for eggs destroyed from infected premises in accordance with regulations of the governor in council-further amount required, $550,000.
645.	To provide for payment of compensation to owners of animals affected with diseases coming under the operation of the Animal Contagious Diseases Act, which have died or have been slaughtered under circumstances unprovided for under the above act and regulations thereunder, in the amounts detailed in the estimates, $3,745.
646.	To provide for the payment of additional compensation to owners of pure-bred dairy cattle from fully accredited herds which reacted to tuberculin tests in circumstances that left a reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the tests, in the amounts detailed in the estimates, $4,860.
647.	Live stock and poultry-further amount required, $16,500.
648.	Grants to fairs and exhibitions, under such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council and subject to allocation by the treasury board-further amount required, $8,000.
649.	Grants to agricultural organizations, as detailed in the estimates - further amount required, $10,000.
Marketing service-
650.	Subsidies for cold storage warehouses under the Cold Storage Act, and grants, in the amounts detailed in the estimates-further amount required, $267,893.
Terminable services-
651.	Freight assistance on western feed grains- further amount required, $13,000,000.
Special-
652.	Amount required to recoup the agricultural prices support account to cover the net operating loss of the agricultural prices support board during the fiscal year 1949-50, $3,484,918.
653.	To provide assistance to the apple growers in British Columbia under such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council, $2,000,000.
654.	To provide assistance to the apple growers
in Nova Scotia under such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council, $500,000.	.

655.	Major irrigation and water conservation projects in the prairie provinces-further amount required, $769,000.
656.	Land protection and reclamation; clearing and settlement of new lands under such terms and conditions as may be approved by the governor in council-further amount required, $150,000.
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Citizenship and immigration-
657.	Departmental administration-further amount required, $44,728.
Citizenship-
658.	Citizenship branch (revote $10,000)-further amount required, $12,000.
Immigration branch-
659. Field and inspectional service, Canada- further amount required, $280,797.
660. Field and inspectional service, abroad- further amount required, $72,896.
Indian affairs branch-
661.	Branch administration - further amount required, $45,461.
662.	Indian agencies-further amount required, $125,988.
Welfare-
663.	Welfare of Indians-further amount required, $232,643.
Education-
664.	Indian education-further amount required, $172,910.
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727.	Departmental administration-further amount required, $11,500.
Architectural branch-
728.	Branch administration - further amount required, $40,000.
729.	Maintenance and operation of dominion public buildings and grounds, other than at Ottawa, including rents, repairs, furniture, heating, etc.-further amount required, $265,000.
Construction, repairs and improvements of public buildings-
Construction, acquisition, repairs and improvements of, and plans and sites for, public buildings listed in the details of the estimates, provided that treasury board may increase or decrease the amount within the vote to be expended on individual listed projects-further amounts required-
730.	Newfoundland, $480,000.
731.	Nova Scotia, $133,000.
732.	Prince Edward Island, $50,000.
733.	New Brunswick, $300,000.
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734.	Quebec, $400,000.
735.	Ontario, $1,611,000.
736.	Manitoba, $40,000.
737.	Saskatchewan, $135,000.
738.	Alberta, $247,000.
739.	British Columbia, $216,000.
740.	Generally, $10,150.
Engineering branch-dredging-
741.	Newfoundland - further amount required, $140,000.
742.	Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and Northwest Territories-further amount required, $150,000.
Maintenance and operation of graving docks, locks and dams, etc.-
743.	Locks and dams-further amount required, $73,000.
Maintenance and operation of roads and bridges-
744.	Kingston, LaSalle causeway-further amount required, $15,000.
745.	Generally-further amount required, $16,500.
Construction, repairs and improvements-harbours and rivers-
Construction, acquisition, repairs and improvements of, and plans and sites for, harbour and river works listed in the details of the estimates, provided that treasury board may increase or decrease the amount within the vote to be expended on individual listed projects-further amounts required-
746.	Newfoundland, $12,000.
747.	Nova Scotia, $284,000.
748.	Prince Edward Island, $89,500.
749.	New Brunswick, $350,000.
750.	Quebec, $2,079,900.
751.	Ontario, $1,562,700.
752.	Saskatchewan, Alberta and Northwest Territories, $17,000.
753.	British Columbia, $1,707,000.
General-
754.	National gallery of Canada-further amount required, $23,184.
755.	To supplement, on approval of treasury board except where less than $500 is required, any of the appropriations of the department of public works-further amount required, $100,000.
756.	To provide for balances required to complete any projects undertaken in previous fiscal years and for which no specific provision is made in the fiscal year 1950-51-further amount required, $100,000.
757.	Portrait of the late Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, $1,500.
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