1926-03-15

PRIME MINISTER

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CERTIFICATE OF ELECTION Mr. SPEAKER:	I have the honour to
inform the House that the Clerk of the House has received from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election and return of the Right Hon. William Lyon Mackenzie King for the electoral district of Prince Albert.

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Right Hon. William Lyon Mackenzie King, Prime Minister, member for the electoral district of Prince Albert, introduced by Hon. Ernest Lapointe and Hon. W. R. Motherwell.

Hon. J. A. ROBB (Minister of Finance):: I 'beg to lay on the table of the House copy of the lease of the Rouyn Mines Railway Company to His Majesty the King, executed February 10, 1926.



ESTIMATES FOR 1926-7

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Messages from His Excellency the Governor General transmitting main and supplementary estimates for the year ending March 31, 1927, were presented by Hon. J. A. Robb, Minister of Finance and read by the Speaker to the House.
James Alexander Robb: That this House will on Tuesday next resolve itself
into a committee to oonisiider of a supply to be granted to His Majesty.


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Motion agreed to.
WAYS AND MEANS Hon. J. A. ROBB (Minister of Finance) moved:
That this House will to-morrow resolve itself into a committee to consider of the ways and means for raising the supply to be granted to His Majesty.
Motion agreed to.
James Alexander Robb: That the message of Hia Excellency and the estimates be referred to the committee of Supply.
He said:	May I, Mr. Speaker, explain that
this motion refers only to the main estimates? The estimates for the Canadian National Railways, following the procedure of last session, will be referred later by the Minister of Railways (Mr. Dunning) to a special committee.


Sir HENRY DRAYTON:: I assume that
we will find them in this book?


James Alexander Robb: I will give them to my hon.
friend.


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Motion agreed to.


Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):: Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, seconded by Mr. Lapointe:
That the name of Mr. Goodison be substituted for that of Mr. Elliott on the special committee appointed to investigate and report upon the administration of the Department of Customs and Excise.


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Motion agreed to.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. HENRI BOURASSA (Labelle):: Mr. Speaker, now that we have the Prime Minister with us-whom I am happy to welcome to this House-I should like to put a question to the government. During the recess a Canadian Press cable appeared in the press in the following terms-I quote this from the Montreal Gazette of March 9:
Labour members of the House of Commons heckled Lieut.-Col. L. C. Amery, Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs, at to-day's session concerning the publishing of the dominion's opinions in regard to Looarno treaties. Colonel Amery fenced his questioners skilfully, and stated that publication must depend somewhat on the feeling of the dominions themselves. If the dominions were willing he must then consult with the Foreign Secretary.
Colonel Amery finally announced that the treaties would be fully discussed at the Imperial Conference to be held in October leaving the impression that he had little intention of revealing beforehand what had already passed between Whitehall and the dominions.
The Prime Minister was not in the House at the beginning of the session when I requested the leader of the House, the Minister of Justice (Mr. Lapointe), to have this correspondence laid on the table as soon as possible, to enable intelligent consideration of the question by the members of this House. Later on, if I remember rightly, the hon. Minister of Justice stated that the government had not yet heard from London whether or not the
Locarno Treaty

correspondence should be published. If this despatch gives a correct resume of the answer of the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs, it would appear that the objection has come from some of the dominions, although neither Canada nor any other of the dominions is mentioned. I should like to ask the Prime Minister, if he has no objection, to enlighten the House on the subject, so we may know whether or not the objection has arisen in London or has come from some of the overseas dominions that the correspondence should ndt be revealed to the so-called sister nations before it has been looked into by the small close chamber in London, next fall.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Mr. Speaker, before I
reply to my hon. friend's question, perhaps I may be permitted to thank him for his cordial words of welcome?
I anticipated that this question might be asked to-day, and having in mind the importance of avoiding any misunderstanding with respect to the answer to be given, I deemed it advisable to communicate in the first instance with the (Prime Minister of Great Britain and intimate to him the reply which the government intended to make to the question should it be asked. As the hon. member has just stated, my colleague the Minister of Justice informed the House that we were in communication with the British government and had requested that we should be permitted to bring down the correspondence. The British government thought it unwise to have the correspondence produced. Under the circumstances it seemed to our government advisable that the reasons therefor should be expressed in terms to be agreed upon between the British government and ourselves.
I shall therefore ask the House to pardon me if I read the reply which I propose to make to my hon. friend's question, and which reply in form and substance is that agreed to by the Prime Minister of Great Britain and myself:
Following the request made in parliament for publication of the correspondence exchanged between the British and Canadian governments on the subject of the treaties of Locarno, including the preceding negotiations, the adoption of the treaties and any exchange of views upon the adhesion of the dominions, we advised the British government that the Canadian government was prepared to accede so far as any communications on its part were concerned, and asked to be informed of the views of the British government as to the publication of its despatches. We are informed by the British government that they do not see their way to consent to the pub-

lication of their despatches, as they were of a detailed character, covering many phases of the negotiations and in many cases containing confidential information as to the views of foreign governments. The British government considers that the publication of this correspondence would be prejudicial to future free interchange of opinion, whether with foreign governments or between the different governments of the empire. Without prejudice to the position that in general it is advantageous to make public as much as possible of such exchanges of opinion, we are prepared to agree that in this instance the objection of the British government to the publication of despatches embodying conversations with foreign governments is well taken. The British government has agreed to the publication of that part of the correspondence which relates to the proposal to hold an Imperial conference in October, 1926.


Right Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Leader of the Opposition):: Can I secure from the
government to-day any statement as to its policy with respect to adherence to the Locarno treaty?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Mr. Speaker, I think on reflection my right hon. friend will perhaps agree that it would be better to take up the Locarno matter at a stated time, and that time some time other than that at which the League of Nations is holding its assembly in Geneva. I do not know that my remark applies so much to a statement of the government's policy as it does to possible debate and comment that might arise upon it, and for that reason I intend later in the day, should we reach Motions, to ask my hon. friend from Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Woodsworth) not to proceed with the first motion standing in his name. As my right hon. friend well knows, the conference at Geneva is not likely to occupy more than a few days longer, and I think it is inadvisable that any comment should take place either in this House or in the press of the country at the present time which might directly or indirectly have a bearing upon the proceedings there.


Arthur Meighen: I am in entire agreement with the Prime Minister as to the wisdom of deferring discussion in view of probable differences of opinion that would occur.
I cannot see the bearing though of the present critical situation at Geneva upon the announcement of the government's intention, because doubtless the British government knows the government's intention in that respect-at least, I presume it does.

Personnel of Cabinet
BUTTER TARIFFS On the Orders of the Day:


Hon. S. F. TOLMIE (Victoria, B.C.):: Mr. Speaker, while the tariff on butter entering Canada from the United States is some 4 cents a pound, I noticed in the press recently that the United States has raised the tariff on butter entering from Canada from 8 cents to 12 cents a pound. What does the government intend to do under the circumstances?


James Alexander Robb: Mr. Speaker, the price of butter in Canada to-day is higher than it has been for some years, and the tariff against United States butter has not been altered for some years.
CHICAGO DRAINAGE CANAL On the Orders of the Day:


Hon. EDMUND BRISTOL (Toronto East Centre):: Mr. Speaker, I wish to call the attention of the government and the House to a short quotation from the Buffalo Evening News in reference to the diversion of water by the Chicago authorities, containing an attack that is apparently being made on this government and the Dominion in respect to the matter. Under date of March 10 the following despatch was sent from Washington:
A resolution offered by Mr. Gorman recites that "the government of Canada and certain Canadian water-power interests had erroneously contended that the water is unlawfully withdrawn."
They are undertaking an investigation according to this paragraph:
A joint resolution providing for an investigation of the right of Chicago to divert water from lake Michigan was introduced in the House to-day.
The investigators would be empowered to inquire into the activities of public officials and their associates who are ''directly or indirectly receiving remuneration from Canadian authorities for disseminating false propaganda against Chicago's diversion of water."
The despatch continues:
''The report is current," the resolution said, "that this erroneous Canadian propaganda is being disseminated and kept alive in the United States by public officials, who themselves or through professional and business associates are receiving remuneration for their services from water-power and other interests of Canada.
Will the Prime Minister or the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) enlighten the House with respect to this matter?


Hon. CHARLES STEWART (Minister of the Interior):: Mr. Speaker, I have not had my attention directed to the article in question, but I can assure the House that so far as I am aware no officials of this government are giving out any information whatever.
If the officials of the American government are in receipt of moneys from water-power interests in Canada, I assure my hon. friend that this is certainly not with the knowledge or consent of this government.


Hon. R. J. MANION (Fort William):: With further reference to the question of the hon. member for Toronto East Centre (Mr. Bristol),
I should like to ask the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) in view of the fact that Canada is as much interested in the diversion at Chicago as are those states which are fighting Chicago before the Supreme Court of the United States, and in view of such statements published in the press as those quoted by the hon. member for Toronto East Centre, has the Canadian government any represent-, ative present at these proceedings to look after Canada's interests and to see that Canada also backs up the opposition to the steal which Chicago is carrying on?


Charles A. Stewart: We cannot be officially represented, but we are watching every move that is made. The government is being kept fully informed of all the proceedings whether before the Supreme court, in congress or elsewhere, but we are not offically represented.



PERSONNEL OF CABINET

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On the Orders of the Day:
Arthur Meighen: Mr. Speaker, I wish to
ask the Prime Minister, now that he has returned-and whom I am also pleased to welcome with a welcome which will be all the more sincere if we are able to get the information I ask for-if he is able to tell the House now the intention of his government or ratheir of himself with respect to the filling of ministerial portfolios, and especially as to whether Hon. Mr. Marler, Hon. Mr. Massey and) Hon. Mr. Sinclair are still members of his government, and if not, when they ceased to be such. Not omitting the particularity of that question, I wish to add the general question again, what does the government purpose to do with regard to the vacant portfolios?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Mr. Speaker, I first of all should like to thank my right hon. friend for his welcome. If it is pleasing to him to see me back, I can assure him it is also very pleasing to myself to be sitting opposite to him again. In regard to the question which my right hon. friend has asked, he will probably have observed that the government is
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proceeding fairly rapidly and fairly satisfactorily with the filling of the vacant portfolios. I am pleased to be able to stand here as one minister of the crown, wh-o, having been defeated, has been again returned. I hope that to-morrow it may be possible to announce that another minister has been returned; if not to-morrow, possibly a week hence. Within a fortnight I hope it will be possible to announce that a third minister has been returned. I believe there are five vacancies altogether, or rather that at the beginning of the session there were five vacancies, the remaining two, namely the portfolio of Minister of Trade and Commerce and that of Minister of Immigration and Colonization we hope wil be filled in due course. I might say to my right hon. friend that at the time of his administration, just prior to the time at which the present government took office an December, 1921, there were eighteen portfolios which had been filled by ministers. We thought it advisable to reduce the number of portfolios, and that number was reduced1 to sixteen. We have felt that this is an opportune moment to make a further reduction in the number of portfolios, and a reduction will be made from sixteen to fourteen. It is intended to have the Department of the Secretary of State assigned to the hon. the Minister of Justice. The Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-esta'blishment and Health will be assigned to a minister in charge of one of the other departments of the government; of this I shall make a further announcement later.
With respect to the ministers without portfolio who have been mentioned by my right hon. friend, I would say that none of the ministers without portfolio continued to be members of the government for any length of time after the recent general election. Before this parliament met all the ministers without portfolio had requested that, they should no longer be invited to come to council, and they have not been so invited since parliament has been in session. The one exception I should make respecting the sending of notices to Privy Councillors other than those with or without portfolios is that of the Minister who formerly held the position of Minister of Railways and Canals, the Right Hon. Mr. Graham. I have asked Mr. Graham to consent to continue to be present at the proceedings of council, and this request he has kindly complied with. I think I have answered my hon. friend's question. If there is any point I have omitted I shall be gllad to endeavour to supply the information.


Arthur Meighen: I want to be quite clear. I understand from the Prime Minister that the three ministers without portfolio referred to have not been members of the government since the general election?
Mr. MACKENZIE KING I would not say since the general election; I would say that subsequent to the general election and prior to the meeting of parliament they retired from the government as ministers.



TRADE TREATIES


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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. L. J. LADNER (Vancouver South):: Mr. Speaker, I rise to ask if the government has recently passed an order in council, the effect of which is to bring France and Belgium in the class of Germany and Russia with respect to depreciated currency. Then I want to ask if that has any effect on the (trade treaties with France and Belgium.
Hon. GEORGE H. ROIVIN (Minister of Customs and Excise): In answer to my hon. friend I would say that no order in council has been passed by this government concerning any importation of goods from France or Belgium since I have become a member thereof. A memorandum was issued by the Department of Customs on the 15th of February giving effect to the provisions of subsection two of section 40 of the Customs Act. This subsection provides that in connection with goods imported from countries where the value of the currency is substantially depreciated, the value for duty purposes shall be the same as the value of similar goods manufactured in England. If they are not manufactured in England then the value is to be that of similar goods manufactured in a European country where the currency is not depreciated. The only instructions given by the department to our officers throughout the country were to consider as substantially depreciated the currency of those countries which has been reduced in value more than 50 per cent.


Leon Johnson Ladner: Mr. Speaker, if I may ask another question, is there not an order in council of February 12 bearing on this question?


Mr. BOTVIN:: No.



GERMAN REPARATIONS

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On the Orders of the Day:
Hon. ERNEST LAPOINTE (Minister of Justice):: 

SHIPMENT OF CATTLE TO GREAT BRITAIN

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On tie Orders of the Day:
Mr. H. A. MULLINS (Marquette):: In
view of the fact that a number of the regular boats carrying cattle have been taken off, I would like to ask if the government are making any provision for cargo space for the movement of cattle from Canada. The situation is very serious, with large numbers of feed cattle ready to move. A number of these boats have been put into drydock by the Tegular lines, and I think the government should do something to facilitate the movement of cattle.


Hon. W. R. MOTHERWELL (Minister of Agriculture):: If I understood my hon. friend aright, he was asking with regard to additional space being provided for the shipment of our cattle. One boat, the Ontario, has been equipped with fore-decks capable of taking care of over one thousand head of cattle. It left just a week or ten days ago with the second load for the United Kingdom. There is another boat that has been launched, but with the exception of these two I do not know of any additional space that has been made available as a result of our friendly intervention.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS- THREE RIVERS

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On the Orders of the Day:
Henry Lumley Drayton: I would like to ask the Acting Minister of Railways and Canals a question having regard to an item appearing in the paper to the effect that the Canadian National railway was securing entrance to Three Rivers, and that that entrance was to be got through the incorporation of a local company in Quebec. I rise to ask whether the same machinery that was devised for the purpose of misleading this House in connection with the Rouyn railway is to be applied in this case.
Canadian Pacific Railway


James Alexander Robb: My hon. friend has not only asked a question, but has attempted to give an answer. I am advised that a private company has made application to the Quebec legislature for a charter, and advised also that the Canadian National Railway board is not in any way interested in that- charter.



CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILWAY COMPANY

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Mr. L. H. JELLIFF (Lethbridge) moved the second reading of Bill No. 4, respecting the Canadian Pacific Railway Company.
Arthur Meighen: Before the second reading carries, the Minister of Railways or someone else should tell us what this bill means.


Ernest Lapointe: It is a private bill.


James Alexander Robb: I am asking that it be referred in the usual way to the standing committee on Railways. Perhaps the hon. member in whose name the bill stands will give an explanation.


Mr. JELLIFF:: This 'bill provides for the
construction of certain branch lines in the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan by the Canadian Pacific Railway. The first line contemplated is one from a point at or near Duchess or Rosemary on the Empress line of the Canadian Pacific in the province of Alberta. The second line contemplated is a branch from Rosetown in the province of Saskatchewan to a point on the Pheasant Hills branch at or near Keppel or Perdue. Clause 2 of the bill provides for an extension of time within which to commence and complete the line from Asquith on the Pheasant Hills branch northwesterly to Cloan on the Wilkie branch, in the province of 'Saskatchewan. I would like this bill to be given its second reading.
Motion agreed to and bill read the second time.



PRESIDENT OF THE LETHBRIDGE STAKE

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Mr. L. H. JELLIFF (Lethbridge) moved the second reading of Bill No. 11 to incorporate the President of the Lethbridge Stake.
He said: This bill, as the first clause indicates, is for the purpose of forming a corporation sole under the name and style of the President of the Lethbridge Stake of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, generally known as the Mormon Church The territory of this church is divided into certain districts called "stakes", which correspond with the dioceses of other denominations. The posi-

tion of president of the stake corresponds very closely to that of a bishop in the other church denominations. The idea of the bill is to incorporate the president of the Lethbridge stake as a corporation sole in order that the properties of the church which are used for religious and charitable purposes, may be unified and administered to the better advantage of the organization. I would ask that the bill after receiving its second reading be referred to the select standing committee on Private Bills.
Motion agreed to and bill read the second time.

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(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)

Mr. BLACK (Yukon):: 1.	Was $100,000 paid by the government to Bonanza Creek Gold Mining Company in 1924?
2.	If so, why was such sum charged in the public accounts as cost of administration of Yukon Territory?
3.	Who are the officers of Bonanza Creek Gold Mining Company?
4.	Where is head office and place of business of Bonanza Creek Gold Mining Company?
5.	On the advice of whom with knowledge of Yukon affairs, if anyone, did the government act in consenting to payment of said smn?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Yes; cheque was prepared in favour of The Bonanza Creek Gold Mining Company, Limited, and Messrs. Aylesworth, Wright, Thompson and Lawr, barristers of Toronto.
2.	According to the Exchequer Court Act, Chapter 140 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, Section 79, the award was paid out of the consolidated revenue fund; and for the purpose of accounting was classified under the expenditure of the Yukon Territory.
3.	Frank S. Berry, President; Walter H. Redman, Vice-President; Fred J. Bowen, Secretary-Treasurer; James A. Crotty, Director; Arthur K. Hutchins, Director.
4.	Toronto, in care of Messrs. Aylesworth, Wright, Thompson and Lawr.
5.	On the advice of the solicitor for the Department of Justice in the case of Bonanza versus The King, who conducted the defence for the crown.


CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MERCHANT MARINE
Mr. ARMSTRONG (Lambton):: 1.	How many boats are owned, controlled, and operated by the Canadian Merchant Marine department of Canada ?

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2.	How many of said vessels were in use during the season of 1924, and what was the loss if any incurred in operating these vessels in that year?
3.	How many of said vessels can pass through our canals to the head of the lakes, how many of these vessels cou'ld be used for carrying coal or grain, and the capacity of each vessel so equipped?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	49.
2.	(1) 44. (2) The company's operating loss for the year ended December 31, 1924 was $1,440,880.21.
3.	Three steamers, viz: Canadian Harvester, Canadian Gunner, and Canadian Beaver could pass through the canals to the head of the lakes and could be used for carrying coal or grain. Each steamer will carry 1,500 long tons deadweight cargo, or 56,000 bushels of heavy grain, through the Lachine canal and the Welland canal, on 14' draft, which is the draft limit for both canals.
Through the Sault Ste. Marie locks the above three mentioned steamers will carry 2,840 long tons deadweight cargo, or 106,000 bushels of heavy grain.


JAPANESE IMMIGRATION
Mr. NEILL:: 1.	How many Japanese landed in Canada for the first time, according to Canadian government returns, during the calendar year, 1925?
2.	At what ports did they land?
3.	How were they classified as to (a) occupation, <b) sex?


Hon. Mr. STEWART:: 1.	Eleven months ended November 30-400. Returns for the month of December are not yet available.
2.	Victoria and Vancouver.
3.	(a)
Agricultural class-
Males	 47
Families	 44
Labouring class-
Males	 21
Families	 87
Mechanics-
Males	 3
Families	 11
Trading class-
Males	 11
Families	 22
Male domestics	 27
Female domestics	 12
Other classes-
Males	 5
Families	110
(b)
Adult males	114
Adult females	214
Children under 18	 72


CHINESE IMMIGRATION
Mr. NEILL:: 1.	How many Chinese landed in Canada for the first time, according to Canadian government returns, during the calendar year 1925?
2.	Of those entering, how many came as, (a) members of the diplomatic service and their servants; (b) merchants; (c) students; (d) under section 9, chap. 38 of the Chinese Immigration Act 1923?
3.	What was the classification as to occupation of those admitted under said section 9, chap. 38?
4.	What was the usual period of residence in Canada allowed under such permits?
5.	During the year were any existing permits renewed or extended for a further period, and if so, how many and for what further period?


Hon. Mr. STEWART:: 1. No Chinese immigrants landed; 80 Chinese entered under permit (Section 9, Chinese Immigration Act, 1923); 5 entered under Section 5 (a) of Chinese Immigration Act, 1923, being
consular staff.
2.	(a) 5.
(b)	None.
(c)	None.
(d)	80.
3.	Actors and actresses	 8
Amahs	 10
Bank manager and wife	 2
Eleve Consul	 1
Secretary to Consul	 1
Wives of Consuls	 2
Members of Consuls'families.. ..	6
Servants of Consuls	 5
Doctors of Medicine	 2
Infant	 1
Merchant	 1
Missionary	 1
Professor's wife	 1
Servants of tourists	 5
Students	 30
Students' wives	 2
Teachers	 2
Of which number 33 have already passed out of Canada.
4.	Periods vary according to circumstances. The average for 1925 was eight months per
person.
5.	For one month	 1
For three months	 3
For four months	 1
For six months	 23
For twelve months	 32
DOMINION GRAIN RESEARCH LABORATORY Mt. MILLAR:
1.	What changes, if any, have been made from July 1st, 1925, to date in connection with the Dominion grain research laboratory located at Winnipeg, as to (a) staff, (b) site, (c) equipment?

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2.	How many samples of wheat were tested for protein content in said laboratory during the above period?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	(a) Staff, none, (b) site, none, (ic) equipment, additional moisture testing apparatus has been installed.
2.	No samples of wheat have been tested for protein content since July 1, 1'02S.


GRAIN SHORTAGE CLAIMS
Mr. MILLAR:: 1.	Taking the weight shortage claims presented to the Grain Commission by grain shippers as a basis, what was the (a) average, (b) maximum, (c) minimum alleged shortage in weight on cars of grain received into the terminal elevators located at the head of the Great Lakes during the last year, for which records are completed?
2.	How many weight shortage claims were presented to the Grain Commission during the above year?


Hon. Mr ROBB:: 1.	The chief weighmaster reports that, for the statistical crop year ending July 31, 1925, on two hundred and twenty-one (221) individual claims investigated the (a) average alleged shortage per car was 2,500 lbs.; (b) maximum alleged shortage per car was 14,900 lbs. and (c) minimum alleged shortage per car was 840 lbs.
On account of apparent mishaps at unloading, adjustments were secured or recommended amounting to 3,420 bushels on 42 cars, or an average of 81 bushels per car.
On a list of 197 claims presented by one company through a claims agent, the (a) average alleged shortage per car was 2,118 lbs.; the (b) maximum alleged shortage per car was 6,060 lbs. and the (c) minimum alleged shortage per car was 760 lbs.
Note: While the greater number of above cars were unloaded at one elevator, a number were unloaded at three other houses and all were claimed short.
On a list of 97 claims presented by one company, the (.a) average alleged shortage per car was 248 lbs.; the (b) maximum alleged shortage per car was 1,430 lbs. and the (c) minimum alleged shortage per car was 70 lbs.
2.	Five hundred and fifteen (515) claims were filed out of two hundred and eighty-eight thousand eight hundred and thirty-seven (288,837) cars weighed.


AUSTRALIAN TRADE TREATY
Mr. SUTHERLAND (South Oxford):: 1.	On what date did the Trade treaty between Canada and Australia take effect?
2.	Have any orders in council been (passed by the govemmemt granting similar concessions to those contained in the Australian treaty in the Customs tariff, to any of the other British dominions?
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3.	If so, what was the date of the passing and the numbers of such orders in council?
4.	What was the date of the coming into effect of such trade arrangements ?
5.	What quantity of the following products have been imported into Canada from Australia and New Zealand during the years 1924 and 1925-meat, wool, hides, tallow, cheese, butter and eggs?
6.	What quantity of these products have been imported from the said countries since they received the preferential rate under our customs tariff?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	1st October, 1925.
2.	Yes, to New Zealand.
3.	Dated 26th September, 1925, No. 1757, and published in an extra of the Canada
Gazette, October		1. 1925.	
4. 1st October,		1925.	
5.	From Australia	From New Zealand1924	1925	1924 1925Commodity-	Pounds	Pounds	Pounds PoundsMeat.. ..	196,379	158,591	121.062 116,660Wool.. ..	1,222,171	766.340	2,919,705 606,921Hides ..	602.420	1,335,622	3,179,426 852,460Tallow ..	Nil	Nil	Nil NilCheese ..	Nil	Nil	7.925 NilButter ..	Nil	Nil	1,296,707 162,848Eggs.. .. 6. Two	Nil	Nil	Nil Nilmonths	ended November 30, 1925	Commodity-	From Austral Pounds	ia From New Zealand PoundsMeat.. ..	19,008	28.831Wool.. ..	160,422	13,031Hides.. ..	147,201	229,039Tallow.. ..	Nil	NilCheese.. ..	Nil	NilButter.. ..	Nil	37,800Eggs .. ..	Nil	Nil


GOLD COMMISSIONER G. P. MACKENZIE
Mr. BLACK (Yukon):: 1.	What, wild lives have been conserved to date as a result of the government's removal of Gold Commissioner Mackenzie from Yukon and the creation of a new government job Ifor which $8,000 per annum is paid?
2.	What protection has been afforded the natives of North West Territories by the same?
3.	Why was the sum of $5,750 paid to Gold Commissioner Mackenzie by tile government in 1923?
4.	Why was such sum exempted from income tax?
5.	Why are amounts paid othei government employees as living allowance not exempted from income tax?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Impossible to answer definitely. Mr. G. P. Mackenzie, exploration and development officer, in charge of the Arctic expedition of 1925, in the discharge of his duties conferred on the question of game conservation with the Danish authorities at Godhavn, North Greenland; with Commander Donald MacMillan of the MacMillan Arctic expedition when at Etah, North Greenland; with the

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Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers, who are game guardians of the various detachments on Baffin, North Devon and Ellesmere islands in the Arctic archipelago. He has furnished the department with very valuable information and will continue the work next season. Under Mr. Madkenzie's direction, officers of the department are crossing the archipelago from west to east during the present year securing data regarding wild life and the natives of the islands.
2.	The expedition of 1925, of which Mr. Mackenzie was the head, through the medium of the ship's doctor treated and performed operations where necessary on the natives. The medical and food supplies maintained for the benefit of the natives at the various police detachments in the north were renewed.
3.	In 1918 in the interests of economy the offices of Gold Commissioner and Commissioner for the Yukon Territory were merged under Mr. Mackenzie, who had been Gold Commissioner since 1912. The living allowance paid officers of the Department in the Yukon other than the Commissioner is $1,500 per annum; that officer received $6,000 living allowance, a furnished government house, fuel, light, telephone, servants, etc. Mr. Mackenzie received none of these perquisites but he was granted to date from April 1st, 1919, an additional living allowance of $1,500 per annum to cover in part expenses necessary for him to incur by virtue of the position occupied. The sum referred to represents the amount accrued from that date. This classification was authorized by the Civil Service Commission.
4.	Such sum was not exempted from income tax.
5.	Living allowances received by employees as such which form part of the profit, gain, or remuneration of the taxpayer are by subsection 1 of section 3 of the Income War Tax Act, 1917, classed as income liable to taxation.


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAY-OFFICE SPACE IN TORONTO
Robert James Manion: What is the lowest rental offer per square foot which has been made for office space for the staff of the Canadian National Railways in the city of Toronto?


James Alexander Robb: $1.50 per square foot.


PACIFIC SALVAGE COMPANY LIMITED
Mr. BLACK (Yukon):: 1.	Is a subsidy being paid by the Dominion government to any salvage company or companies operating on the Pacific coast?
2.	If so, to what companies is it paid?
3.	What is the amount of annual subsidy?
4.	Under what authority is such subsidy paid?
5.	When was the first payment of the present subsidy
made ?
6.	When was the agreement to pay the present subsidy made ?
7.	For how many years is such a subsidy to be paid?
8.	What public services do the recipients of such subsidy perform?
9.	Is it open to the public to earn such subsidy or is
payment restricted to one company or to certain companies ?	#
10.	If not open to the public, then to whom is the earning of such subsidy limited?
11.	Was the mine sweeper Armentiers of the Canadian navy used in 1925 by the department of Customs in the preventive service or to chase rum runners, and was the said vessel wrecked?
12.	If so, what salvage company salvaged her?
13.	What amount was demanded by said salvage company for salvaging this vessel?
14.	What amount was paid therefor by the government ?
15.	Has such an amount been paid by the Customs department or by the department of Defence?
16.	If not, what department of the government has paid or will pay same, and how much?
17.	Is this amount in addition to subsidy?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes, under contract.
2.	Pacific Salvage Company Limited.
3.	$10,000.
4.	Order in Council and parliamentary appropriation No. 214.
5.	None yet made.
6.	Original agreement made September 25, 1915 and renewed September 11, 1925.
7.	10 years.
8.	Maintains at all times an efficient salvage plant and equipment at Victoria, B.C.
9.	Payment is restricted to the contractors.
10.	The contractors.
11.	Yes.
12.	Pacific Salvage Company.
13. Forty thousand dollars ($40,000) "No cure no pay" or as an alternative ($1,100.00) a day plus a bonus of $12,000.00 upon delivery of vessel at Eequimalt.
14. Forty thousand dollars ($40,000).
15.	Department of National Defence.
16.	Answered by No. 15.
17.	No information.


CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MERCHANT MARINE COAL PURCHASES
Mr. NEILL:: 1.	What tonnage of coal was purchased on the Pacific Ocean by the Canadian Government Merchant Marine during the calendar year, 1925?
2.	From whom was it purchased?
3.	What quantities were purchased from each vendor?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	49,878 gross tons.
2.	Western Fuel Corporation of Canada, Ltd., Nanaimo. B.C.. Wellington-Comox
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Agency Ltd., for Canadian Collieries (Duns-muir) Ltd., Union Bay, B.C.
3.	Western Fuel Corporation of Canada, Ltd., 36,782 gross tons, Wellington-Comox Agency, Ltd., for Canadian Collieries (Duns-muir) Ltd., 13,096 gross tons.


EMIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES
Mr. PARENT:: 1.	How many persons, residing in Canada, have emigrated to the United States since 1920, and what is the number for each respective year?
2.	Has the government a method by which it can keep track of the provinces from which said persons emigrate ?
3.	If so, what is the number for each province, and w'hat numbers were British subjects?


Charles A. Stewart: :
1.	The Department of Immigration and Colonization keeps no record of persons admitted to the United States from Canada.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	Answered by No. 1.


IMPORTS OF CHEESE, BUTTER AND EGGS
Mr. STEWART (Leeds):: 1.	What quantities of cheese, butter and eggs were imported during each of the months of September, October, November and December, 1925?
2.	From which countries were such imports made and what quantities were imported from each country during each of the above months?
3.	What is the rate of duty on each of said commodities in respect of each country from which such imports were made?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	September: 2,418 lbs. butter, 65,810 lbs. cheese, 18,813 doz. eggs, 199,800 lbs. eggs n.o.p.; October: 1,745 lbs. butter, 147,014 lbs. cheese, 36,971 doz. eggs, 48,755 lbs. eggs, n.o.p.; November: 39,044 lbs. butter, 126,120 lbs. cheese, 14,071 doz. eggs, 147,672 lbs. eggs, n.o.p.; December, 15,724 lbs. butter, 93,188 lbs. cheese, 48,575 doz. eggs, 158,416 lbs. eggs, n.o.p.
2.	In September 2,312 lbs. butter were imported from the United States, 66 lbs. from Newfoundland, 40 from Alaska; in October 1,545 lbs. of butter were imported from the United States and 200 from Newfoundland; in November 1,199 lbs. of butter were imported from the United States, 37,800 from New Zealand and 45 lbs. from Alaska; in December 1,924 lbs. of butter were imported from the United States, 278 from Australia, 13,160 from New Zealand and 362 lbs. from Syria.
In September 699 lbs. of cheese were imported from the United Kingdom, 23,908 from the United States, 15,630 lbs. from France, 16,676 lbs. from Italy, 879 lbs. from the Netherlands, 473 from Norway and 7,545 from Switzerland; in October 1,629 lbs. of

cheese were imported from the United Kingdom, 29,622 lbs. from the United States, 59,235 from France, 48,526 lbs. from Italy, 2,558 from the Netherlands and 5,444 lbs. from Switzerland; in November 13,934 lbs. of cheese were imported from the United Kingdom, 38,220 lbs. from the United States, 24,574 lbs. from France, 27,772 lbs. from Italy, 4,098 lbs. from the Netherlands, 712 lbs. from Norway and 16,810 lbs. from Switzerland; in December 1,136 lbs. of cheese were imported from the United Kingdom, 40,520 lbs. from the United. States, 270 lbs. from Australia, 10,958 lbs. from France, 33,260 lbs. from Italy, 4,231 lbs. from the Netherlands, 2,452 lbs. from Norway, 247 lbs. from Switzerland and 114 lbs. from Syria.
In September 18,491 doz. eggs were imported from the United States, 2 doz. from Newfoundland, 195 doz. from Alaska and 125 doz. from China; in October 35,948 doz. of eggs were imported from the United States, 683 doz. from Hong Kong, 90 doz. from Alaska and 250 doz. from China; in November 11,463 doz. of eggs were imported from the United States, 2,224 doz. from Hong Kong and 384 doz. from China; in December 33,133 doz. of eggs were imported from the United States, 3,896 doz. from Hong Kong, 116 from China and 11,430 doz. from Japan.
In September 400 lbs. of eggs n.o.p. were imported from the United States and 199,400 lbs. were imported from China; in October 1,025 lbs. of eggs n.o.p. were imported from the United States and 47,730 lbs. from China; in November 625 lbs. of eggs n.o.p. were imported from the United States and 147,047 lbs. from China; in December 800 lbs. of eggs n.o.p. were imported from the United States and 157,616 lbs. from China.
3.	The rates of Customs duty applicable to butter are as follows:
Butter from the United States, Newfoundland, Alaska and Syria, 4 cents per lb; butter from Australia imported direct 1 cent per lb. butter from New Zealand imported direct 1 cent per lb.
The rates of Customs duty applicable to cheese are as follows:
Cheese manufactured in the United Kingdom and imported direct 2 cents per lb.; Australian cheese imported direct, Free; cheese manufactured in France, the Netherlands, Norway, Italy and Switzerland when conveyed without transhipment from a port of those territories or from a port of a British country enjoying the benefits of the British or intermediate tariffs into a sea or river port of Canada, 3 cents per lb. less a discount of 10 per cent on the amount of duty

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computed; cheese from the United States and Syria 3 cents per lb.
The rates of Customs duty applicable to eggs in the shell are as follows:-Eggs in the shell, being the produce of Hong Kong, Newfoundland and Japan, when conveyed without transhipment from a port of those territories or from a port of a British country enjoying the benefits of the British or intermediate tariffs into a sea or river port of Canada, 2b cents per dozen; eggs in the shell from the United States, Alaska and China, 3 cents per dozen.
The rates of Customs duty applicable to eggs n.o.p. are as follows:-Eggs n.o.p. from the United States and China 17i per cent ad valorem.


OLD AGE PENSIONS
Mr. NEILL:: What steps, if any, have the government taken, or do they intend to take, to carry out the recommendations contained in the report of the special committee on Old Age Pensions which sat during the last two sessions of parliament, and reported to this House on June 16th, 1925?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Legislation will be introduced at the present session.


SOLDIER SETTLEMENT BOARD-MR. A. M. GRAHAM
Mr. WOODSWORTH:: 1.	Has the Department of Immigration received a letter from Mr. A. M. Graham, of Winnipeg, dated October 2, 1925, with regard to his dismissal from the service of the Soldier Settlement Board, ia which he makes serious charges against officials of the board and asks for an investigation?
2.	Has such investigation been held, and what action does the minister intend to take in the matter?


Hon. Mr. STEWART:: 1.	A communication was received from Mr. A. M. Graham under date of October 2, 1925, complaining of the termination of his services with the Soldier Settlement Board at Winnipeg in August, 1920. The letter in question contained charges of wrongful dismissal against certain officials of the board and asked for investigation.
2.	This complaint has been the subject of investigation on several occasions during the last five years, but if Mr. Graham thinks further investigation would be of assistance to him it will be granted.


MR. W. T. R. PRESTON
Mr. MULLINS:: 
Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes-at intervals between January 1 and June 4, 1925.
2.	For the above period he received $2,446.55. Remuneration $1,155. Maintenance $880. Travel $215.55. Stenographer assist. $196.
3.	Nil.
4.	Answered by No. 3.
5.	Investigating matters in connection with the inquiry into Ocean Rates.


Mr. HANSON:: 1.	Is W. T. R. Preston in the employ of the gov-eminent of Canada?
2.	If so, in what capacity, under what authority, and what is his remuneration?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	No.
2.	Answered by No. 1.


Mr. CHAPLIN (Lincoln):: How much was paid to W. T. R. Preston during each of the years 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925,-
(1)	by way of salary?
(2)	for expenses of all kinds?


James Alexander Robb: Eepartment of Labour-
1922 ..	.. (1) $990 00	(2) $597 021923 ..	.. Nil	Nil1924 ..	.. Nil	Nil1925 ..	.. Nil	Nil
Depaitment of Trade and Commerce-
(1)
Remunera- Allow- Total tion	ance
1922	(from Oct. 14) .. .. $1,110 00	
$1,110 001923	
2,160	00	1,905	00	4,065	001924	
4,155	00	2,980	00	7,135	001925	(to June 4)	
1,155	00	880	00	2,035	00
(2)
Travel Sun- Steno- Total dries graphic Assistance
1922	(from Oct. 14) .	926 58	$ 926 581923	
245	56	
245	581924	
1,034	15	$309 64	$150	00	1,493	791925	(to June 4) .. ..	215	55	.... 196	00	411	55
Mr. Preston was employed in an investigation of lake grain freight rates from October 14, 1922, to January 18, 1923, and from January 19 to May 23, 1923, was employed as Secretary of the Grain Inquiry Commission regarding lake grain freight rates.
From February 28, 1924 to January 17, 1925, Mr. Preston investigated the situation in regard to ocean freight rates, and appeared as a witness before the parliamentary committee on ocean freight rates between March 23 and June 4, 1925.
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Department of Immigration and Colonization-
(1)	No payments.
(2)	$1,509.95.


GRAIN SHIPMENTS BY CANADIAN AND UNITED STATES PORTS
Mr. CHURCH:: Hmv many bushels of Canadian grain were shipped from Canada to overseas markets of the world, (a)
passing through United States channels overseas: and (b) passing directly through Canada?


James Alexander Robb: Quantities of Canadian grain exported from Canada to overseas countries during the years ended March 31, 1921 to 1925, inclusive, showing, (a) Exports via United States channels (indirect) and (b) exports via Canadian sea ports (direct):
(a) To Overseas Countries via United States Channels
	Years	ended March 31			
1921 Bushels	1922 Bushels	1923 Bushels	1924 Bushels	1925 BushelsBarley	
Buckweat	.. .. 2,228,003 	
22,859	4,229,532 250,466 5	6.346,182 263,536 3.102	6,637,087 21.642 1.191	15.279.323 744,868Oats	
Rye	
Wheat	.. .. 4,855,135 	
1,778,908 	
49,977,224	9.606,048 2,110,331 83,354.275	11,733,962 9,081,325 132,007,645	8,322,372 5,428,137 119,413,546	13.375,121 4.638,892 92,055,508Total Grain	
58,862,129	99,559,657	159,435,752	139,823,975	126,094,012
(b) To Overseas Countries via Canadian Sea Ports Years ended March 31
Barley	
Buckwheat	1921 Bushels 	
6,030,651 	
1,095 	
8.944	1922 Bushels 8,346,280 13.912 8.026	1923 Bushels 7,288,415 47,087 18.742	1924 Bushels 8,262,288 175,018 3.060	1925 Bushels 7,531.230 21,128 2.196 14,912,094 2.882,219 94,290,513
4,700,711	23.371,660	16,415,454	14,024,961	Rye.. 	
Wheat	705,436 	
36,913,039	964,540 36,542,166	606,796 66,853,292	1,394.363 116.228,184	Total Grain	
48.359,876	69,246,584	91,259,786	140,087,874	119,639,380


DOMINION BOND ISSUES-TENDERS
Mr. BIRD:: 1.	Does the honourable the Minister of Finance receive offers for Dominion bond issues by public tender?
2.	Does the honourable the Minister of Finance
publish the price received by the Dominion government for the respective issues of bonds sold by it? If not, why?	,
3.	What price did the honourable the Minister of
Finance receive for the issue of Dominion of Canada bonds made in September, 1925?	^
4.	Did the price received include "accrued interest"?
5.	If the price did include "accrued interest", what was the net price after such accrued interest is deducted?


James Alexander Robb: 1-5. The established practice in the Department of Finance is to make public the terms of sale of bond issues only through the medium of the Public Accounts of Canada or by statement to parliament either in the minister's budget speech or as a special announcement.
Following such practice, particulars of the loan flotation in September last will, in due course, be reported to parliament.
IMr. Robb.]


VANCOUVER HARBOUR COMMISSION- SPILLERS ELEVATOR
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Has the government received from any source a proposal that it should authorize the Vancouver Harbour Commissioners to purchase an elevator situated in Vancouver harbour and known as Spillers elevator?
2.	If so, who has made the said proposal and what price has been asked for the said elevator?
3. Has the government agreed to the purchase of the said elevator by the said harbour commission or by or on behalf of the government by any other authority ?


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	No.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	Answered by Nos. 1 and 2.


Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Has the elevator known as Spillers elevator, Vancouver, B.C., the right and privileges of loading its grain into deep sea ships over a gallery or carrier constructed on the property of the Vancouver Harbour Board ?
2.	What is the fee for the said service per bushel?
3.	What was the total amount of [DOT] revenue paid to the harbour commissioners by the said elevator company for the said service during the year 1924?

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4.	What was the total cost of the jetty and gallery or carrier and equipment by which the said service is given?
5.	Has the government received representations that the said fees are too high?
6.	Has the government in contemplation the reduction of the said charges?


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	Yes.
2.	One-half of 1 cent per bushel.
3.	$173.23.
4.	In round figures, $709,000 was the cost of jetty and conveyor galleries to provide the present facilities to serve both the Vancouver Terminal Grain Company's elevators and also the harbour commissioner's elevator No. 1.
5.	Representations have been made by the Vancouver Terminal Elevator Company to the Vancouver Harbour Commissioners that the prevailing tariff rates in Vancouver are too low to enable them to operate profitably at the charge made to them by the commissioners for conveyor and berthing service.
6.	The Vancouver Harbour Commissioners have not submitted the matter for the consideration of the government.


CANADIAN CLUBHOUSE AT LOS ANGELES
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: Having reference to an article which appeared in the Illustrated Daily News, of Los Angeles, U.S.A., on December 30, 1925,-
"Wilshire Site is Selected by Canadians "A $1,000,000 clubhouse for former Canadians will be constructed on Wilshire Boulevard during 1926.
"Announcement of the new enterprise was made yesterday by Col. A. G. Fonseca, 360 South Los Angeles Street, after receiving word that the proposed structure would be financed by Canadian government aid and subscriptions of wealthy former Canadians of southern California.0
1. Has the Canadian government, had any communications in regard to this matter?
2.	Has the government through any of its ministers or officials agreed to support the financing of this project?
3.	If so, under what authority and warrant has such aid been granted or agreed to?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	No.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	Answered by No. 1.


IMMIGRATION EXPENDITURE AND RESULTS
Mr. CHURCH:: 1.	What amount otf money, annually, has been spent on immigration (a) from Great Britain; (b) the United States; (c) the continent of Europe, for the past five years?
2.	What number of migrants (a) of British origin; (b) of other than British origin, have arrived in Canada annually during the past five years?


Charles A. Stewart: I.	(a)	(b)	(c)
Continent
Great Britain United States of Europe
1921-	22.. $302,373 04
1922-	23..	332,610	091923-	24..	523,318	031924-	25..	679,599	67*1925-26 .	438,267	74$419,956 92	525,363 90 $51,353 54 549,355 76	87,711	15363,740 21	87,557	73
213,437 09 40,654 95
$2,276,168 57 $2,071,853 88 $267,277 37 * 8 months to November 30th, 1925.
2.	(a)	(b)British Isles Other Countries 1921422	
39520	50,9791922-	23	
34,508	38,3791923-	24	
72,919	75,6411924-	25	
53,178	58,184*1925-26	
30,022	40,090
* 8 months to November 30th.


ORDERS IN COUNCIL
James Dew Chaplin: How many orders in council have been passed by the government during each of the years 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925?


Ernest Lapointe: Year	Number of O'C's.
1922		 5,621
1923		 4,936
1924		 5,357
1925		 4,580


GRAIN SHIPMENTS VIA CANADIAN PORTS
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	During the calendar year 1925, what was the quantity of Canadian grain of all kinds exported through: (a) the port of Montreal, (b) the port of Quebec, (c) the port of St. John, (d) the port of Halifax, (e) American Atlantic ports?
2.	What is the storage capacity of the elevators at each of the above Canadian ports?
3.	Were the grain shipping facilities of each of the above mentioned Canadian ports used to full capacity?
4.	Why is it that such a large quantity of Canadian grain finds shipment to world markets through American ports?
5.	What has been the storage capacity and the number of individual elevators in the port of Vancouver for the calendar years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?
6.	What amount of grain has been shipped through the port of Vancouver during each of the calendar years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?
7.	What has been the elevator rates in the port of Vancouver during the calendar years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925 for: (a) elevation, (b) storage, (c) loading and (d) drying and cleaning?
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James Alexander Robb: 1.
Wheat	Oats	Barley	Flaxseed	Rye	TotalPort	Bus.	Bus.	Bus.	Bus.	Bus.	Bus.(a) Montreal. .	.. 44,881,507	26,530.748	8,564,362	-	2,663,786	82,643,403(b) Quebec.. ..	.. . 1,642,804	416,282	-	-	- .	. 2,059,086(c) St. John ..	. .. 6,117,831	1,628,659	1207,856	-	239,597:	t 9,193,943(d) Halifax .. .	.. 520	319,554	297	-	-	320,371(e) U.S. ports .	.. 129,688,215	11,515,000	23,138,944	178	2,503,896	166,846,233
2.
(a)	Montreal,	13,310,000 bushels.	Licensed
storage capacity.
(b)	Quebec,	2,500,000	bushels.	Licensed
storage capacity.
(c)	St. John,	2,200,000	bushels.	Licensed
storage capacity.
(d)	Halifax,	1,500,000	bushels.	Licensed
storage capacity.
3.	Montreal-during the season of navigation-Yes.
Quebec, No. St. John, No. Halifax, No.
4.	The final report of the special committee of the Senate, appointed to inquire into the diversion of the export grain trade of the prairie provinces to American instead of Canadian seaports, 1921-22, contains a summary of the evidence of the witnesses who appeared before the committee and admitted that this diversion of the export trade had taken place.
5.
Vernon & Buclcerfield	 30.000
McLellan & McCarter .. ..	35,000
Victory Flour Mills Co		23,000
Total	 1,633,000
1924 Harbour Commissioners elevator	 1,850,000
Vancouver Terminal Grain Co.
Ltd	 2,000,000
Brackman-Ker Milling Co. Ltd. 25,000 Vancouver Milling & Grain Co.
Ltd	 200,000
Columbia Grain Elevator Co.
Ltd	 100,000
British & Oriental Grain Elev.
Co. Ltd	 100,000
A. E. Burnett	 70,000
Vernon & Buckerfield	 30,000
McLellan & McCarter	 35,000
Victory Flour Mills Co		23,000
Calendar	Licensed
Year	Capacity
Bushels
1922	Canadian government elevator. 1,250,000
A. E. Burnett	 75,000
Vernon & Buckerfield	 40,000
Victory Flour Mill^ Ltd		23,000
McLellan & McCarter Ltd. ..	30,000
Brackman-Ker Milling Co. ..	25,000
Vancouver Milling & Grain Co.
Ltd	 200,000
Total	 1,643,000
1923	Canadian government	elevator.	1,250,000Brackman-Ker Milling Co.	Ltd	25,000
Vancouver Milling & Grain Co.
Ltd	 200,000
A. E. Burnett	 70,000
Total	 4,433,000
1925 Harbour Commissioners elevator :
No. 1	 2,000,000
No. 2	 2,000,000
No. 3	  150,000
Vancouver Terminal Grain Co. 2,250,000 Columbia Grain Elev. Co. .. .	125,000
Vancouver Milling & Grain
Co. Ltd	 200,000
Victory Flour Mills Co		25,000
Vernon & Buckerfield	 40,000
McLellan & McCarter	 30,000
Brackman & Ker Milling Co. 25,000 Burnett's Elevator	 75,000
Total	 6,920,000
6.
Wheat	Oats
Bus.	Bus.
1922	
12,556,147	110,9911923	
..	22,168,IK	106,1861924	
55,167,194	1.726,7951925	
31,050,007	255,077Barley	Flaxseed	Rye	TotalBus.	Bus.	Bus.	Bus.-	-	107,033	12,774,173-	-	289,390	22,563,73192,952	250	178,397	57,165,588409,453	-	28,545	31,743,082


PRINCE RUPERT ELEVATOR
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Has the government through any of its ministers or officials, or through the Board of Grain Commissioners received an application or request for the lease of the Prince Rupert elevator?
2.	If so, from whom has such application been received, and is it the intention of the government to lease the said elevator?
3.	In event of the government deciding to lease the said elevator has opportunity been given to other parties than those immediately applying to tender on the said lease?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Yes.
2.	An application was received from Mr. George Mclvor representing the Alberta wheat pool, which offered to take over the elevator and operate it on a two year lease, requiring the government to turn over the elevator to the wheat pool, complete with all equipment and allowing the pool to operate it as a private elevator, thus having the right to mix grain, on the understanding that the pool would take care of the operating costs, including power and also minor repairs, but requiring the government to carry all other charges, including interest on investment, major repairs, etc. It is not the intention of the government to lease this elevator.
3.	Answered by No. 2.
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DREDGE MASTADON
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Is the dredge Mastadon dredging at Coal harbour, Vancouver? If so, what work is being done by the said dredge?
2.	What tug boats are in attendance upon the said dredge, and by whom are they owned?
3.	If such tug boats are chartered, how much is being paid per day and what are the conditions upon which they are engaged?
4.	What is the estimated cost per cubic yard of the said work?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	(a) Yes. (b) The widening of the channel to 400 feet, 15 feet deep at low tide.
2.	The tug boats in attendance are the tug Point Grey and the launch Knockabout, belonging to the Department of Public Works.
3.	Answered by No. 2.
4.	25 cents per cubic yard.


MR. DUNCAN MARSHALL
Mr. ANDERSON (Halton):: 1.	Is Honourable Duncan Marshall on the pay-roll of the Dominion government?
2.	If not, when were his services dispensed with?
3.	"What amount was paid in each of the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925 to Mr. Marshall?


William Richard Motherwell: Department of Agriculture-
1.	No.
2.	January 1st, 1924.
3.	1921-22 Salary $1,274.19; expenses $210,15; 1922-23 salary $6,000.00, expenses $3,976.91; 1923-24 salary $4,500.00, expenses $3,676.75.


Charles A. Stewart: Department of Immigration and Colonization-
1 and 2. Mr. Marshall has never been on the pay-roll of this department. He did, however, represent the department at an exhibition at Tampa, Florida, in February, 1922, for which he was paid a per diem allowance on account of expenses.
3.	$300.
PORT CREDIT DREDGING Mr. CHARTERS:
1.	What amount was expended on the dredging of Port Credit harbour during 1925?
2.	From what vote was the money obtained?
3.	Is it the intention of the government to continue dredging operations this year?
4.	If so, out of what vote will the money be paid?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	$6,937.17.
2.	Dredging-Ontario and Quebec.
3 and 4. No, as dredging to meet present requirements completed last year.
SOLDIERS' PENSIONS Mr. KAISER:	-
1.	How many returned soldiers, married, have died since the war?
2.	How many of the wives of such dead soldiers have applied for pensions?

3.	How many of such pensions have been granted?
4.	How many have been delayed or refused?


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1 and 2. No information.
3.	Pensions have been awarded to 12,829 widows.
4.	No information.


IMPORTS FROM AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND
Mr. ANDERSON (Halton):: 1.	What are the amounts and values per month, during the year 1925, of importations into Canada from Australia and New Zealand respectively, of the following commodities: butter, cheese, eggs, beef, mutton and fruit pulp?
2.	What amount of bonus or bounty is given to encourage the export of butter, eggs, cheese, beef or mutton by (a) Australia; (b) New Zealand?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	Imports into Canada from Australia and New Zealand of "Butter".
From	From
Australia New Zealand
	Quantity Value Quantity Value
	Pound $ Pound $
Months of	1925
January . .		 56 17
February .		 168 51
March . .		 2,240 680
April . . May . . June . . . July. . . August . September October .
November .. December . .	278	110	37,800 13,160	15,497 5,33812 Months .	278	110	53,424	21,583
Imports into Canada from Australia and New Zealand of Cheese.
From	From
Australia New Zealand Quantity Value Quantity Value Pound $ Pound $
Months of 1925
January ...	..	..	..	..February . .	..	..	..	..March ...	..	..	..	..April ....	..	..	..	..May	..	..	..June	..	..	..July	..	..	..August ...	..	..	..	..September . .	..	..	..	..October ...	..	..	..	..November ..	..	..	..December . .	270	69	..	..
Total 

 

 

 

12 Months ..	270	69

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Imports into Canada from Australia and New Zealand of "Fruit Pulp, not sweetened, Imported by Manufacturers for the Manufacture of Jams of Preserves."
From	From
Australia New Zealand Quantity Value Quantity Value Pound $ Pound $
Months of 1925
January ...	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]February . .	..	..	[DOT][DOT]March ...	..	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]April ....	[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT] [DOT]May ....	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]	[DOT][DOT]June	
[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT] [DOT]	* [DOT]July	August ...	[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]September . .	..	[DOT]	[DOT]	*	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]October ...	[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]November ..	1,144	72	..	..December . .	[DOT] [DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]	[DOT]Total	
12 Months ..	1,144	72
Imports into Canada from Australia and New Zealand of "Mutton and Lamb, Fresh, chilled or frozen."
From	From
Australia New Zealand Quantity Value Quantity Value
	Pound	$ Pound
Months of	1925	
January . .	. 9.860	1.009 ..February .	. 5,450	549 ..March . .	. 17,074	2,739	2,074	351April . . .	. 9,300	1,462	May . . .	. 14,787	2,279	. .June . . .	. 5,480	819	5,400	604July . . . . August . . September	. ..	5,400	600October . , November	.. 72	12	5,400	600December Total	. . 324	52	2,700	300.. 62847	8,921	20,974	2.45512 Months	Imports	into Canada	from	Australia	and
New Zealand of Beef, fresh, chilled or frozen, and Beef, pickled, in barrels-No imports during 1925.
Imports into Canada from Australia and New Zealand of Eggs, in shell, and Eggs, n.o.p. -No imports during 1925.
2.	No information.


EXPORTS THROUGH PORT OF WINDSOR
Mr. MORAND:: 1.	What were the total exports of goods of every description from the port of Windsor during the year 1925?
2.	How were these exports classified and what quantity of each classification was so exported during the above year?
3.	What were the total imports into the port of Windsor, Ontario, and what was the amount of each class of goods so imported during the same year?


Georges Henri Boivin: Classified Statement of Imports Entered for Consumption at the Port of Windsor, Oat., and Exports through that Port during the Fiscal Year ended March, 1925
Imports	Exports
entered for Canadian Foreign Item	consumption produce produce
Vegetable Food Products:
Fruits, nuts and vegetables	
Grains and farinaceous products	
Sugar and its products	
Tea and coffee	
Vinegar	
Other vegetable products, mainly food, n.o.p Vegetable Products, Other:
Beverages, alcoholic	
Plants, shrubs, trees and vines	
Rubber and its products	
Seeds	
Tobacco	
Other vegetable products, n.o.p	
Animals and Products:
Animals, living	
Bones, horns, etc	
Fish and fishery products	
Furs, hides and leather	
Hair	
Meats	
$ 763.825 $ 542,703 15,366 111,698	235,996 S 101,788 131,486 .	15,960 7,346
		575
	2,260 . 1,507	
45,870		989
6,641,360
22,052	5,214	473117,663	34.999	17,69796.408	989,190	27,565478	41,669	2,614182,103	270,797	2,680261.955	286.671	99,81020,784	12,751	16,532	542,791	14353,770	1,127,658	26,385802	30.545	14234,634	135,084	133
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Classified Statement of Imports, etc.-Continued.
Item
Animals and Products-(Con'd:):
Milk and milk products	
Oils, fats, greases and wax	
Miscellaneous animal products	
Fibres, textiles and Products:
Cotton and products	
Flax, hemp and jute	
Silk	
Wool and products	
Other textile products	
Wood and Paper and Products:
Wood, unmanufactured or partially manufactured.
Wood, manufactured	
Paper, n.o.p	
Books and printed matter	
Iron and Steel and Products:
Smelted products	
Scrap iron and steel	
Castings and forgings	
Rolling mill products	
Tubes, pipes and fittings	
Wire	
Engines and boilers	
Farm implements and machineiy	
Firearms	
Hardware and cutlery	
Machinery (except agricultural)	
Stamped and coated products	
Tools	
Vehicles	
Other iron and its products	
Non-ferrous Metals and Products:
Aluminium and products	
Brass and products	
Copper and products	
Nickel and products	
Precious metals	
Electrical apparatus	
Printing materials	
Miscellaneous non-ferrous metal products	
Non-metallic Minerals and Products:
'Asbestos	
Clay and products	
Coal and products	
Glass and products	
Graphite and products	
Mica and products	
Petroleum and products	
Stone and products	
Other non-metallic mineral products	
Chemicals and Products:
Acids	
Drugs, medicinal	
Explosives	
Fertilizers	

Imports	Exports	
entered for	Canadian	Foreignconsumption	produce	produce10,445	134,831	688,105	20,292	52,972	195,569	138,983194,165	2,190	2,18223,462	596	30,829	190105,579	156,253	4,675223,305	828,049	16,890831,520	1,484,863	1,990601.998	3,407,505	10,168385,711	18,190,163	5,310484,820	47,765	5,44076,083	503,737	62	129,354	870,144	21,064	6,5702,728.587	66,432	137,440177,733	548	2,218240,625	356	8311,776,974	2,182	13.246344,549	289,585	38,068615	202168,155	18,351	2,314903,678	32,616	115,99656,965	514	28158,255	2,092	15,6749,658,460	559,404	472,087668,916	59,104	48,42949,746	91.698	3,476227,629	43,372	8,899412,745	264.931	3,38681,584	455,255	39,736	1,161	1,143,420	4,650	38,88619,272	649	1,710204,834	142,817	14,60125,723	678,250	481132,929	4,078	1,4701,624,254	7,072	418,618	37,320	87,3921,359	20,395 19,149	257.025	26^907	152,540	66,438	677119,657	6,247	4,33533,726	71,203	112,450	1,693	43223	40	12,269	846,135	
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Classified Statement of Imports, etc.-Concluded.
Item
Chemicals and Products-Con'd.): Paints, pigments and varnishes.. ..
Soap	
Inorganic chemicals	
Other drugs, dyes and chemicals, n.o.p.
Miscellaneous Commodities:
Amusement and sporting goods.. ..
Brushes	
Containers	
Household and personal equipment..
Mineral and aerated waters	
Musical instruments	
Scientific and educational equipment
Ships and vessels	
Vehicles, n.o.p	
Works of art	
Other miscellaneous commodities.. ..
Grand total	
Imports	Exports	
entered for	Canadian	Foreignconsumption	produce	produce. 70.780	18,352	905. 42,191	308. 58,218	368,184	. 168,698	215,471	5,668. 42,595	1,317	1,296. 7,744	28	93. 121,970	395	146,797. 37,070	259	260281	94	. 15,274	35,839	4,269. 69,513	2,312	12,870. 10,604	3,609	. 5,346	143	218. 4,725	3,653	16,051. 1,384,285	1,649,900	63,451. $30,078,188	$41,834,197	$ 1,659,695


RADIO RECEIVING SETS
Mr. MORAND:: 1.	What was the total number of radio receiving licenses issued in Canada during the year 1925?
2.	What revenue was derived from this source?
3.	What was the cost of collecting same?
4.	What number of said licenses hae been issued so far this year?


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	For the fiscal year ending 31st March 1925, 91,996.
2.	$91,996.
3.	$10,060.56 (includes advertising, printing, legal expenses, commission to dealers and salaries of typists).
4.	For the fiscal year 1925-1926 to the 31st December 1925, 96,254.


ADVERTISING-EXPENDITURE
Henry Lumley Drayton: What amount of money was spent by each of the different departments of the government in advertising Canadian conditions in Canada during the year 1925?


Ernest Lapointe: Department of
Agriculture $15,000; Department of the Interior, $350; Department of Trade and Commerce, $2,893.82.


SUPERANNUATION AND PENSION SCHEMES PAYMENTS UNDER
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:: 1.	What amount of payments, other than for the current year, were made by those covered under the different superannuation and pension plans now existing, (a) in the year 1924; (b) in the year 1925?
2.	What were the amounts payable by those covered by said plans, (a) for the year 1924; (b) for the year 1925?
3.	What were the amounts paid to beneficiaries, (a) for the year 1924; (b) for the year 1925?
4.	What is the estimate of the department of receipts and payments under the said plans for the year 1926?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	(a) 1923-24, nil; (b) 1924-25,
Under Superannuation Act, 1924:
Transferred from Retirement Fund	 $ 4,801,430 92
Arreas paid	 204,051 20
Total	 $ 5,005,482 12
2.	(a) 1923-24,
Superannuation Fund No.
1		$	8,722 24
Superannuation .Fund 'No.
2		 13,024 85
Total	 $	21,747 09 .
(b) 1924-25,
Superannuation Fund No.
1		 $	4,766 79
Superannuation Fund, No.
2		 9,598 74
Superannuation Act, 1924.	5,287,843 57
Total	 $ 5,302,209 10
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Rec'd on acct. of arrears. Rec'd on aeet. current
abatements	
Transferred from Retirement Fund	
$	204,051 20
282,361 45 4,801,430 92
Total


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	The persons named were employees of the Canadian National Railway Company at the time of incorporation, and were appointed as provisional directors for temporary corporate purposes. The present directors are: Robert Adair, Charles M. Hart, Donat Raymond, Montreal; Harold Fowler, Clifton M. Miller, New York.
2.	Answered by question No. 1.
3.	The temporary directors mentioned in question No. 1 were not the capitalists referred to by the honourable the Minister of Railways. The syndicate which will finance the undertaking is Messrs. Dillon, Read & Company, and Messrs. White Weld & Company, of New York.
4.	The Secretary and Treasurer is D. C. Grant, Vice-President of Finance, Canadian National Railways, who was so appointed to safeguard the funds.
5.	No bonds have as yet been issued.
6.	Yes.
7.	Guarantee not yet given.
8.	None.
9.	Advances have been made by Canadian National Railway Company pending issue of bonds to amount of $130,560 to cover survey and engineering expenses.
10.	Five hundred dollars was paid for five qualifying shares, one for each director.
11.	Five shares at $100 each.


LATE GREGORY DOYLE, D.C.M.
Mr. LADNER:: 1.	Was the late Gregory Doyle, D.C.M., while in a dying condition removed from the Shaughnessy Military hospital to the Vancouver General hospital?
2.	Did the said Doyle die within two or three days after such removal?
3.	Was the late Gregory Doyle a veteran of the South African war and the Great war and also in receipt, at the time of such removal, of a pension on account of a disability suffered in the Great war?
4.	Is it the intention of the government to make an enquiry into case of the said Gregory Doyle deceased?
5.	Has the government given notices for the removal of other ex-service men in the Shaughnessy Military hospital to the General hospital or is it the intention of the government to remove for reasons corresponding to those of the late Doyle any of the men now in the Shaughnessy hospital to the said General hospital?
6.	Is it the policy of the government to remove from the military hospitals of Canada to other non-government institutionss men who served in the Great war

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and who are suffering from a war disability but who have an illness which cannot be directly attributed to war service?


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1.	No. 2539 former Private Gregory Doyle, L.S.H., applied for treatment at Shaughnessy hospital on December 27, 1925. He was admitted for observation and was found to be suffering from nephritis, a condition in no way attributable or related to his military service. Being ineligible for treatment by the department, arrangements were made for his admission to the Vancouver General hospital to which he was transferred on December 30. At the time of his transfer he was not critically ill, he did not undergo hardship nor suffer in any way because of the change, had his condition been sufficiently serious to contraindicate transfer he would have been retained in the Shaughnessy hospital. He was conveyed to the Vancouver General hospital by the department. Dr. Wallace Wilson who had attended him at Shaughnessy hospital continued to do so after his transfer. While in the Vancouver General hospital his condition became serious and resulted in his death on January 4, 1926.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	Yes, (i) for an old fracture of the right thigh caused by a gun shot wound in the South African war, and, (ii) for hemiplegia, attributable to service in the war 1914-18.
4.	Full reports have been received, they do not indicate grounds for further inquiry.
5.	When a pensioner who is ill applies for treatment and there is a possibility that his illness is attributable to a war service disability, it may be necessary to admit him to hospital for observation to establish a diagnosis. When the condition is diagnosed and the disability is not related to military service, the department is without authority to provide treatment. In such circumstances it is the responsibility of the pensioner to make his own arrangements for further necessary treatment, but, it is invariably the practice of the department to undertake arrangements for his admission to a local General hospital.
6.	Answered by No. 5.


HOME BREW PERMITS
Mr. HOCKEN:: How many permits to make home brew beer in the province of Ontario have been issued during the past four years?


Georges Henri Boivin: Permits are not issued for the manufacture of home brew beer.
Section 199 of the Excise Act provides that any person desiring to use utensils solely for the purpose of brewing beer for the use of himself and his family shall give due notice of the possession thereof, and of his intention to use them for such purpose to the nearest collector or to the department at Ottawa. The number of such notices received by the department from persons in Ontario during the past four years was 3,334.


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-ATLANTIC REGION-MR. IVAN C. RAND, K.C.
Mr. PRICE:: 1.	Has Ivan C. Rand, K.C., of Moncton, New
Brunswick, been appointed general counsellor of the Atlantic region, Canadian National Railways, in place of C. J. Milligan, deceased?	[DOT]
2.	If so, on whose recommendation, by whose authority, and at what rate of compensation?
3.	"Why was the principle of promotion ignored?
4.	Is it not a fact that the legal staff of the Canadian National Railways is overmanned ?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Yes.
2.	On the recommendation of the proper officers of the company and with the full authority and approval of the president. The management urge that it is not in public interest to state compensation.
3.	That course was pursued which in the opinion of the administration best served the interests of the railway.
4.	No.


CHARTERED LIMITED COMPANIES
Mr. MORAND:: 1.	How many limited companies with either provincial or federal charters are operating in Canada?
2.	What is their authorized capital in preferred and common ?
3.	What is the paid-up capital in preferred and common?
4.	What is the rate of dividend, if any, since 1917, year by year to 1925, and the amount paid in each case?
5.	What is the amount of income tax paid by these companies?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	No information.
2, 3, and 4. Answered by No. 1.
5. Fiscal years	Amounts
1918-1919			$ 1,376,829.47
1919-1920			 7,068,426.32
1920-1921			 13,849,297.95
1921-1922			 38,863,757.79
1922-1923			 28,022,145.81
1923-1924			 28,546,692.78
1924-1925			 31,091,274.37
T otal			$148,818,424.49
During the fiscal years 1919 to 1921 inclusive, covering accounting periods of corporations which ended in 1917 to 1919 payments were made under the Business Profits
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War Tax Act, 1916, when the tax payable under that Act exceeded the amount payable under Income War Tax Act-
Total collections during fiscal years 1919 to 1921 under Business Profits War Tax Act. Fiscal years	Amounts
1918- 1919	$ 32,970,061.81
1919-	1920	
44,145,184.481920-	1921	
40,841,401.25
POSTAL SERVICE SALARIES Mr. ROBINSON:
What action, if any, has been taken to implement the order in council, passed some time in October, ordering the Civil Service Commission to favourably regard application made by employees of the postal service for an upward revision of salaries?


Ernest Lapointe: Authorized by the Order in Council of September 14, 1925, P.C. 1644, the matter is receiving the consideration of the Commission and the necessary report is being prepared.


CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MERCHANT MARINE SALE OF VESSELS
Mr. ANDERSON (Halton):: 1.	What vessels belonging to the Canadian Government Merchant Marine have been sold since January X, 1922, and what price was realized for each?
2.	Were they sold by auction or by tender?
3.	What' was the cost of construction of each?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 
Mr. BLACK (Halifax):: 1.	Were any Canadian Government Merchant Marine boats sold during 1925? If so, what are their names?
2.	On what dates were these steamers sold?
3.	At what price was each steamer sold?
4.	What was the cost of each of these steamers?
5.	Upon what terms was each steamer sold, cash or credit? If the latter, what were the terms and conditions?
6.	Where were these steamers built?
7.	What is the dead weight capacity of each?
8.	Were these boats sold by tender or otherwi.-e?
9.	Who were the purchasers of each steamer?
10.	If the sales were by tender, how and in what newspapers were tenders advertised ?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Yes. Canadian Pathfinder, Canadian Engineer, Canadian Adventurer, Canadian Sower, Canadian Sailor, Canadian Signaller, Canadian Trader, Canadian Warrior.
2.	Canadian Pathfinder, Canadian Engineer, October 8, 1925; Canadian Adventurer, Canadian Sower, Canadian Sailor, Canadian Signaller, Canadian Trader, Canadian Warrior, October 14, 1925.
3.	Canadian Pathfinder, $50,000; Canadian Engineer, $50,000; Canadian Adventurer, $40,000; Canadian Sower, $40,000; Canadian Sailor, $40,000; Canadian Signaller $40,000; Canadian Trader, $40,000; Canadian Warrior, $40,000.
4.	Canadian Pathfinder, $957,232.90; Canadian Engineer, $1,018,102.81; Canadian Adventurer, $717,467.49; Canadian Sower, $716,856.63; Canadian Sailor, $690,409.84; Canadian Signaller, $814,926.25; Canadian Trader, $686,905.38; Canadian Warrior, $819,671.26.
5.	Canadian Pathfinder, Canadian Engineer, $10,000 cash deposit and the balance, $40,000 per ship to be paid in four equal annual payments with interest at 6% payable semi-annually. Canadian Adventurer, Canadian Sower, Canadian Sailor, Canadian Signaller, Canadian Trader, Canadian Warrior, 10% or $4,000 cash payment, the balance $36,000 per ship to be paid in four equal annual payments with interest at 5% payable semi-annually.
6.	Canadian Pathfinder, Collingwood Shipbuilding Co., Toronto, Ont.; Canadian Engineer, Collingwood Shipbuilding Co., Toronto) Ont.; Canadian Adventurer, Port Arthur Shipbuilding Co., Port Arthur, Ont.; Canadian Sower, Port Arthur Shipbuilding Co., Port Arthur, Ont.; Canadian Sailor, Port Arthur Shipbuilding Co., Port Arthur, Ont.; Canadian Signaller, Collingwood Shipbuilding Co., Collingwood, Ont.; Canadian Trader, Port Arthur Shipbuilding Co., Port Arthur, Ont.; Canadian Warrior, Collingwood Shipbuilding Co., Collingwood, Ont.

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7.	Canadian Pathfinder, 3,640 tons; Canadian Engineer, 3,679 tons; Canadian Adventurer, 3,408 tons; Canadian Sower, 3,406 tons; Canadian Sailor, 3,557 tons; Canadian Signaller, 3,975 tons; Canadian Warrior, 3,995 tons.
8.	Tenders were invited through the medium of extensive advertising in the public press and by correspondence with brokers and other likely interested parties in various parts of the world, the sales of the above steamers being consummated after negotiations with the purchasers at prices in line with world market prices for tonnage of the type sold.
9.	Canadian Pathfinder, Canadian Engineer, to N. M. Paterson & Co. Ltd., Fort William, Ont.; Canadian Adventurer, Canadian Sower, Canadian Sailor, Canadian Signaller, Canadian Trader, Canadian Warrior, to James Playfair, Midland, Ont.
10.	See answer to Question 8-The advertisement was given very wide circulation in the newspapers throughout Canada.	.


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-INDEBT ED -NESS
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:: 1.	What was the funded and unfunded debt of the Canadian National Railways and affiliated companies as of the first of January in each of the years 1923, 1924, 1925 and 1926?
2.	How much of the said debt at such times represented obligations of the system, (a) to the government; (b) to the public?
3.	What was the amount of floating or undistributed indebtedness not taken into capital account on the first of January, 1926?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	The long term debt of the Canadian
National Railway system was as under:- December 31, 1922-
Debt to public	S 804,503,144 06
Debt to government, including interest	 574,550,601 37
Total	$1,379,053,745 43
December 31, 1923-
Debt to public	S 823,099,056 10
Debt to government including interest	 666,539,749 52
Total	$1,489,638,805 62
December 31, 1924-
Debt to public	$ 913,913,082 80
Debt to government including interest	 690,555,949 92
Total	$1,604,469,032 72
The figures as of December 31, 1925, are not yet available but approximate figures will be furnished very shortly.
The foregoing statement does not include investments in road and equipment, Canadian Government Railways, which, on -the dates mentioned, stood as follows:
December	31,	1922	$442,195,400	22December	31,	1923	
417,643,526	03December	31,	1924	
451,712,484	98
To offset the inclusion of this investment among the assets the above amount is included with the liabilities in the Canadian National Railway balance sheet. However, it is not an obligation of the Canadian National Railway Company, is non-interest 'bearing so far as the railway is concerned, and is not included in the item: "Debt due to government, including interest," winch has to do only with advances to former privately owned railways.
2.	See answer to question No. 1.
3.	Nil.


VANCOUVER HARBOUR-ENGINEERING FEES
Henry Herbert Stevens: What is the total amount paid for engineering fees for all public works under the harbour board or the Department of Public Works, including Government elevators, second Narrows bridge, piers, etc., at the Port of Vancouver during the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925, fa) to A. D. Swan & Co., engineers, Montreal; (b) to the regular staff of the Vancouver Harbour Commissioners; (c) to local engineers not members of the staff; (d) to engineers not resident in British Columbia?


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: Department of Marine and Fisheries 1922	1923	1924A. D. Swan & Co.,	Montreal. .$ 45,982	00 $ 37,473	17 $ 22,471	23Commissioners' Staff	
11,148	80	15.224	33	20.378	92Local Engineers	
46,282	43	43,796	00Non Resident of B.C	
1,110 001925	Total1,000 00	$106,816	4018,958 12	65,710	1784,784 21	174,862	6427,100 50	28,210	50
Total


$ 57,020 80 $ 98,979 93 $ 87,756 15 $131,842 83 $375,599 71 REVISED EDITION
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[Stage Direction]
Department of Public Works
(a) No information.
Ob) $420 to W. G. Swan, Chief Engineer, Vancouver Harbour Commission, for services on the board of inquiry, Second Narrows bridge.
(c)	No information.
(d)	No information.

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:: 1.	What, if any, reorganization and systematization has been made in the office of the Auditor General, as provided for by authority of the vote under contingencies, set out at page 71 of the Estimates for the year ending March 31, 1926, reading as follows,-
"Extra help including expert assistance in connection with reorganization and systematization of the office of the Auditor General. Appointments for this purpose and increases of salary to be made without reference to and notwithstanding the provisions of the Civil Service Act, $10,000."
2.	What were the number of employees of all kinds in the office of the Auditor General for the calendar years 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	As a part of the general reorganization of the office and in order to cover special duties and special investigations connected with such reorganization the following appointments were made under the authority of that part of the Contingencies Vote of this office quoted above:
Mr. R. de la Durantaye appointed head clerk.
Mr. 0. N. Edwards, C.A., apointed for about three months to make special investigations.
2.
Year	Regular Staff Elections Staff
1921	
175	341922	
186	131923	
213	-1924	
204	-1925	
197	30


CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MERCHANT MARINE OIL BURNERS
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Is the Government aware that the Canadian Government Merchant Marine have ordered the conversion of four ships operating on the Pacific coast into oil burners?
2.	In authorizing or approving of the abandonment of coal as fuel for these ships has the government taken into consideration the injury to the Vancouver island coal industry ?
3.	Has the government or the Canadian Government Merchant Marine any assurance that fuel oil prices will not advance in the future. If so, is such assurance in the form of definite contracts?

4.	From whom and at what price is the fuel oil purchased for the use of the Canadian Government Merchant Marine ships operating on the Pacific coast?
5.	In accordance with the pledge given by Mr. King that the "coal industry of the Pacific coast would be investigated and careful consideration given to its claims." Has any such investigation been made? If so, when was the report made, and by whom?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Yes. The special committee on National Railways and Shipping during the 1925 session of Parliament unanimously reported in favour of voting $668,000 for the Canadian Government Merchant Marine for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1926, included in which was an item of $50,000 for converting four steamers operating in the coastal trade between Vancouver and California to oil burners. It is estimated that this alteration will result in the saving of approximately $13,000 per steamer per year in operating expenses.
2.	The amount of coal consumed by the four steamers per annum is so small that there should be no material injury to the Vancouver island coal industry.
3.	None; other than protection afforded by the present contract with the Imperial Oil Company.
4.	From the Imperial Oil Company which is the only company with tanks on Canadian National property for handling the oil. The maximum price in the contract is considerably below the market price and there are certain clauses in the contract protecting the management against a decline in the market; that is, the management have a low maximum price which is reduced if the market drops but does not advance if the market goes up. It is considered to be detrimental to the public interests to disclose the price.
5.	The Department of Railways, or the management of Canadian National Railways have no information concerning any such pledge. Question contains alleged statement of facts and is therefore not in accordance with the rules.


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-TICKET OFFICES IN TORONTO
Mr. MANION:: 1.	Who is the owner of the property at the corner of King and Yonge streets, Toronto, which was formerly used for the sale of tickets for the Canadian. National Railways?
2.	W hen were these offices vacated and for what purposes are they now being used?
3.	Have the National Railways any office for the sale of tickets located in the City of Toronto except at the Union station? If so, at what point?
4.	WTere the National Telegraphs staff and appliances removed from the corner of Wellington and Scott streets in Toronto to the corner of King and Yongfr Streets, and at what date?

Questions
5.	Have the staff and appliances of the National Telegraphs been removed from the offices at the corner of King and Yonge streets and at what date, and where are they now located?
6.	Was a deposit made respecting the erection of a skyscraper at the corner of King and Yonge streets? If so, has such deposit been forfeited, and what is the amount thereof?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	His Majesty the King in the right of the Dominion of Canada.
2.	September 19, 1925; now vacant.
3.	Yes; at the comer of King and Toronto Streets, Sunnyside, Parkdale and Danforth stations.
4.	The staff and the appliances of the operating department, Canadian National Telegraph Company were removed from the corner of Wellington and Scott streets, Toronto, to the comer of King and Yonge streets, the transfer being completed on September 14, 1924.
5.	The staff and appliances of the Canadian National Telegraph Company were transferred from the corner of King and Yonge streets, Toronto, to the corner of Wellington and Scott streets, the movement being completed August 21, 1925.
6.	Yes. Further negotiations now in progress will determine whether deposit ($25,000) will be forfeited.


GREAT LAKES LEVELS-GEORGIAN BAY JORTS
Mr. NICHOLSON:: 1.	Has the attention of the Government been drawn to the exceptionally serious situation created at the small ports on Georgian bay, particularly on the north shore and on the Manitoulin island, because of the marked lowering in the level of the lakes?
2.	If so, what action is proposed to relieve this situation and provide facilities enabling usual traffic vessels to enter these ports?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes.
2.	Individual cases are investigated.as representations are made, and additional depth is provided as circumstances warrant.


COAL CONSUMPTION IN CANADA
Mr. CAHAN:: What quantity of coal was consumed in Canada during each year since 1917.


James Alexander Robb: Calendar Year	Total (Short tons)
1916			 29,865,856
1917			 33,123,735
1918			 34,771,832
1919			 28,904,425
1920 			 32,779,108
1921			31,017,796
1922 			 26.067,877
1923 			 36,060,915
1924 			 29,254,137
AUTOMOBILE IMPORTS Mr. SUTHERLAND (South Oxford.:
1.	How many passenger automobiles were imported into Canada during each of the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?
2.	What was the value of automobiles so imported and amount of customs duty collected?
3.	What was the value of auto parts imported (luiing the years mentioned and amount of duty collected?
4.	What was the number and value of automobiles and also auto parts exported during the years mentioned in question No. 1?


James Alexander Robb: 1, 2 and 3.
I^isoal	[DOT]	Passenger Automobiles Imported	Auto Parts Imported
Years	


Number	Value	Duty	Value	DutyMarch 31	Collected	$ 10.211.791	Collected1922	
7,181	9,501,362	3.278.259 28	3,053,875 001923	
11.402	11,857,165	4.133 321 38	14,134,874	4,313,673 951924	
9,549	9,532.350	3,316,369 99	16.808.323	5,123,078 471925	
8.835	8,726,714	3,038.851 83	14.188,715	4,290,851 374.	Automobiles, Passenger	Automobiles, Freight	Fiscal	Exported (Canadian	Exported (Canadian	Auto PartsYears	Produce)	Produce )	Exportedended	(Canadian
March 31	Number	Value	Number	Value	Produce)
		$		$	
1922..' 	
13.428	7,421,619	1,296	611,185	1,151,4531923	
45,108	25,606,350	3,720	1,444,549	2,355,0661924	
54,522	27,246,025	15,396	5,496,272	4,162,7871925	22,011,970	11,773	4,018,419	4,911,736
14011-96 \
Questions


IMPORTS OF HIDES, SKINS AND RAW WOOL
Mr. SUTHERLAND (South Oxford):: 1. What was the quantity and value of hides and skins imported into Canada from and including the years 1922 to 1925?
2.	What amount of customs duty was collected on same?
3.	What was the quantity and value of hides and skins [DOT]expored from Canada during the years mentioned?
4.	What quantity of raw wool was imported into [DOT]Canada during the years mentioned in question 1; also value of same and amount of customs duty collected?
5.	What was the quantity and value of raw wool exported during these years?


James Alexander Robb: 1 and 2.
Hides and Skins Imported Fiscal Years	Customs
ended	Quantity	Value	Duty
March 31	Collected
Pounds $
1922..	..	42.468,989	5,897,312	All free
1923..	.. 45,460,853 7,947,268 goods. No
1924..	.. 46,157,990 7,297,487 duty collected
1925..	..	50,258,815	8,279,492
Note.-The above figures include all imports under Item 599 of the customs tariff which reads hides and skins, raw, whether dry, salted or pickled, and raw pelts. This covers calf, cattle, sheep and other skins, exclusive of furs.
3.
Exports of Calf, Cattle, Horse and Sheep . Hides and Skins (Canadian Produce)
Fiscal Years ended	Quantity	ValueMarch 31	Hundredweight	$1922 .. ..	.. 413.09S	4,000.2911923 .. ..	.. 583,697	7,355,7171924 .. ..	.. 492,344	5,612,4671925 .. ..	.. 545,891	7,101,337
Exports of Other Hides and Skins, Except Furs (Canadian Produce)
1922..	Quantity	27,1361923..	Statistics	44,2341924..	not	41,6861925..	available	62.5574. Imports of	"Wool and the hair of the .camel,	alpaca,	goat and	other like	animal, notfurther	prepared than washed, n.o.p."	Fiscal Years	Customsended	Quantity	Value	DutyMarch 31	Pounds	$	Collected1922 .. ..	12,586.695	3.160,302 Free Goods.	1923 .. ..	18.255,595	5,073.315	No duty1924 .. ..	19,321,730	6,837,781	Collected1925 .. ..	14,362,890	6,867,497	

Leicester, Cotswold, Lincolnshire, South Down combing wools, or w'ools known as lustre wools, and other like combing wools, such as are grown in Canada.
Customs
Duty
Quantity Value Collected
Pounds	$	$ c.1922.. ..	. .. 75,117	18,774	2,253 511923.. ..	.. 17,749	5,614	532 171924..	.. 1925..	.	
5.
Exports of Raw Wool (Canadian Produce) Fiscal Years
ended	Quantity	ValueMarch 31	Pounds	$1922	
1,034,433	242,0451923	
8,667,400	2,363,9311924	
6,009,079	1.947,2341925	
5,625,265	2,434,524


UNITED STATES MAGAZINES AND PERIODICA T.S
Horatio Clarence Hocken: How many tons of magazines, periodicals and newspapers published in the United States came into Canada during the year 1925?
Hon, Mr. BO IVIN:
Customs records do not include the weight of such printed matter imported.
Newspapers, and quarterly, monthly and semi-monthly magazines, and weekly literary papers, unbound were imported from the United States during the fiscal year ended March 31, 1925, to the value of $2,758,566.
This does not include the value of United States publications mailed by the publishers direct to individual subscribers in Canada.


PEIGAN INDIAN RESERVE-SALE OF CALVES
Mr. COOTE:: 1.	How many calves were raised on the Peigan Indian reserve during the calendar year 1925?
2.	How many of these calves have been shipped from the reserve ?
3.	Were these calves sold and, if so, what was the average price obtained?
4.	How much of such price was paid to the Indians?
5.	Was the consent of the Indians asked and obtained as to the sale of these calves?
6.	How many calves have been slaughtered during the year?
7.	How many calves have been retained on the Reserve for breeding purposes?


Hon. Mr. STEWART:: 1.	509.
2.	249.

Questions
3.	These calves were sold to Indians on
other reserves as follows:
Moose Mountain Reserve .. .. 62 head
Crooked Lakes Reserve	125 head
Qu'Appelle Reserve	62 head
at an average price of $12.00 a head.
4.	This price will be paid to the Indians in full, and vouchers for same are being submitted.
5.	Yes.
6.	None.
7.	260.


VANCOUVER GRAIN EXPORTS-PERMIT SYSTEM
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Having reference to the export of grain via Vancouver. is it necessary before such grain can be shipped from points in the prairie provinces for the shipper to secure a permit?
2.	If so, from whom is such permit obtained?
3.	Upon whose authority has the "permit system" been inaugurated ?
4.	Is such permit system operated under the provisions of the Canada Grain Act and by authority of the Board of Grain Commissioners?
5.	With the existing elevator capacity at Vancouver why has it been necessary to enforce the "permit system" during the months of December and January?
6.	Is it the intention of the Government, through the Board of Grain Commissioners, to ins'st upon the said permits being secured before grain can be exported via the port of Vancouver?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Under present conditions it is necessary, before grain can be shipped from points in the prairie provinces, for the shipper to secure a permit. A sufficient number of permits are issued by the railways to shippers including individual farmers, to permit of the port of Vancouver having sufficient grain on hand at all times to enable capacity unloading.
2.	Permits are only obtainable from the railway companies.
3.	In 1923, the first year that grain started to move to the port of Vancouver in any volume, there was no permit system, with the result that in a few weeks both railroads were badly congested by cars under load at the coast and in transit which made it necessary to place an embargo until the accumulation was cleaned up. As a result of this the railway companies thereupon decided that, owing to the limited facilities at Vancouver, it would be preferable to handle the movement of grain to that port under permit system and this system was put into effect by both railways in 1923. In view, however, of the criticism against this system the railroads, in the fall of 1925, decided to abolish the permit system and again accepted shipments for that port without any restrictions whatever. Early in November, 1925, the railways were faced with a large accumulation of cars under load for the port of Vancouver. Many of the cars contained out-of-condition grain, only a limited number of which could be unloaded and treated daily in the elevators, owing to the drying facilities at this port being limited to 60,000 bushels per day. In view of this critical condition and after canvassing the situation, the railroads decided to place an embargo, effective Nov. 14th, 1925, on all grain destined to Vancouver, and in the meantime the board understands resolutions were passed by several interested public bodies, requesting that the railroads reinstate the permit system to govern the movement of grain to the Pacific coast. The railways, therefore, reinstated the permit system last December.
4.	No.
5.	In December, 1925 and January, 1926 the movement of grain into the port of Vancouver and the exports from that port were the heaviest in the history of the port. The railway companies issued a large number of permits with the result that, according to information received by the Board of Grain Commissioners, there were over four thousand (4.000) cars under load en route to Vancouver on February 1st, 1926, in addition to which the elevators at this port are practically filled. Many of the cars now under load contain tough and damp grain, which grain can only be unloaded by the elevators at Vancouver at the rate of sixty (60) cars per day. Therefore, until the present accumulation has been reduced, the railways have been compelled to curtail the issuance of permits covering the movement of grain to the coast.
6.	The Canada Grain Act does not give the Board of Grain Commissioners any jurisdiction over the issuance of permits by the railway companies.


MONTREAL GRAIN SHIPMENTS
Mr. COOTE:: 1.	How many bushels of Canadian grain were shipped through the port of Montreal during the years 1022, 3, 4 and 5?
2.	How many bushels of American grain were shipped through the .port of Montreal during the years 1922,
3, 4 and 5?


James Alexander Robb: Canadian Grain	Bushels
Domestic shipments	 10,882.335
Export shipments	 72,208,434
Total	 83.090,769
Questions

Domestic shipments	 12,765,528
Export shipments	 80,417,231
Total	 93,182,747
Domestic shipments	 14,085,325
Export shipments	 86,069,185
Total	  100,154,510
Domestic shipments	 13,775,144
Export shipments	 105,181,320
Total	 118,956,464
United States Grain Bushels

Domestic shipments	 2,500,405
Export shipments	 75,672,996
Total	 78,173,401
Domestic shipments	 1,049,312
Export shipments	 33,380,307
Total	 34.429,619
Domestic shipments	 888,861
Export shipments	 66,146,742
Total	 67,035,603
Domestic shipments	 959,835
Export shipments	 51,627,027
Total	 52,586,862


CONFERENCE OF PROVINCIAL PREMIERS
Mr. LADNER:: 1.	Is it the intention of the government to call a conference before July of the premiers of the provinces of Canada?
2.	It is the intention of the government to submit to suoh conference or a later conference any proposal lespecting Old Age pensions?
3.	It is the intention of the government to arrange for a meeting with the premiers of the various provinces with a view to arriving at a scheme for a cooperative Old Age pension?
4.	Is it the intention of the government to carry out the recommendations of the Old Age pension committee, the report of which was submitted to the House of Commons on June 18, 1925, and duly concurred in by a vote of the said House?
5.	Is it the intention of the government to submit some scheme to such conference looking to gaining for Canada the power to amend its constitution?
6.	Is it the intention of the government to carry out the promise of the Hon. the Minister of Justice given in the-House of Commons the 18th day of February, !925. in the following words:-"If I remember well the language of the Speech from the Throne, if is that a conference shall be called together for the purpose of considering amendments to the British North America ,-rct with respect to the constitution of the Senate and other matters. Surely this (referring to the resolution
(Mr. Robb.]
of Mr. W. F. Maclean respecting an amendment to the British North America Aot to enable Canada to amend her own constitution) would be one of the matters which the government would submit to such a conference?
7.	What steps, if any, has the government taken to call together such conference?
8.	When and where will such conference of premiers take place?


Right Hon. Mr. MACKENZIE KING:: 1.	No.
2.	Answered by answer to No. 1.
3.	No.
4.	Answered by answer to question No. 1.
5.	Answered by answer to No. 1.
6.	The government has in no particular altered its intention in this matter.
7.	Up to the present time no steps have been taken.
S.	To be decided in due course.


PUBLIC PRINTING-EXPENDITURE
Mr. SUTHERLAND (South Oxford):: 1.	What amount has been spent through the Depart-Trent of Public Printing and Stationery for pun-lie printing done outside the department, since January 1, 1922?
2.	What firms or individuals have been paid sums in excess of $50,000, and how much was paid to each?
3.	What amount has been spent by the government since January 1, 1922, through the Department of Immigration and Colonization aside from the Department of Public Printing and Stationery?
4.	What amount of the sum spent by the department of Immigration and Colonization has been paid to the firm of Rand McNally & Company of Chicago since January 1, 1922?


Ernest Lapointe: Department of Public Printing and Stationery
1.	The total amount spent through this department from January 1, 1922 to December 31, 1925 for public printing aside from that done by the Printing Bureau may be divided generally into classes as follows:
A. Letterpress printing which because of the printed matter being (i) in a language of unusual type characters, or (ii) because on other special grounds the work cannot be economically performed in the Printing Bureau, or (iii) because the work is of an urgent nature and the Printing Bureau is too severely pressed to perform it by
the date required	 $ 264,618 73
(iv) Money Orders:-Prior to November 20,	1923 this
work was letterpress printing of a character which could not be economically executed in the government Printing Bureau; the amount of such to December 31, 1925 is	 139,402 09

Questions
B. The general form of the money order was altered on November 20, 1923 so that from that date it became a lithographic process which had the advantage of lowering costs; conditions however permitting the new form to be introduced but gradually. The amount to
December 31, 1925 is	 $ 107,926 74
Work involving processes such as lithography, photoengraving, etc., for which the Printing Bureau is not
equipped	 689,872 13

Total amount outside the Department	 $ 1,201,889 69
2.	Names of firms who have been paid sums in excess of $50,000 as follows:
Pembroke Observer, Pembroke
Ont	8 65,864.72
Federal Publishing Co., Ottawa,
Ont	
Mortimer Co. Ltd., Ottawa,
Cnt	
Miller Lithographing Co., Toronto	
Gazette Printing Co., Montreal
Que	
Montreal Lithographing Co.,
Montreal, Que	
La Patrie, Montreal, Que. ..
3.	No information.
4.	Answered by No. 3.
Department of Immigration and Colonization
1.	No information.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	$446,347.01.
4.	$367,778.61.
Department of Health
1.	$1,082.30.
2.	No information.
3.	No information.
4.	No information.


IMPERIAL BUILDING-HAMILTON
Mr. WILSON (Wentworth):: 1.	What does the government .pay in rent for the federal income tax office dn the Imperial building at Hamilton, Ontario?
2.	Is it the intention of the department to move
from the Imperial building to the Lennox building at Hamilton?	_
3.	If so, what is the rent of the new quarters in the Lennox building to be?
4.	What reasons are given for making the change in premises and who are the executors of the Lennox estate?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	$9,150 per annum.
2.	Yes.
3.	$7,500 per annum.
4.	Building situated a short distance north of general post office and is in a first-clas3 location for purposes of taxation branch. It has a greater floor area, 8,340 sq. ft. as against 8,080 sq. ft., and the rental is $1,650 per annum less-the rate being 90 cents as against SI.13 per sq. ft.
Executors Lennox Estate-James Chisholm and Thos. B. McQuesten.


VANCOUVER HARBOUR COMMISSION GRAIN JETTY-DREDGING
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Was a contract awarded for dredging the No. 1 grain jetty at Vancouver?
2.	If so, to whom was the said contract awarded, and what was the contract price?
3.	What amount was awarded to the said contractors by the engineering staff of the Harbour Commissioners as extras for delays?
4.	After the fixing of the extras by the engineers of the Harbour Commissioners, were the said amounts increased, and if so, on whose recommendation, and by what authority?
5.	What was the total amount paid to the dredging contractor for this work?


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	Yes.
2.	North West Dredging Company, Limited, contract price $468,550.
3	and 4. The Commissioners' engineers recommend payment of extras amounting to $37,868.40 due to work having been held up by injunction proceedings and the sub. sequent manner in which the work was compelled to be done as a result of the injunction, but the contractors claimed a much larger amount. To avoid litigation, an arbitration was agreed upon and Mr. A. D. Swan, consulting engineer of Montreal was chosen sole arbiter. Mr. Swan heard the evidence on both sides in an exhaustive inquiry and his verdict was an award to the contractors for an amount of $66,986.87.
5.	Total amount paid to the dredging contractor was $535,536.89. The estimate of the Commissioners' engineers approved for the work was $582,515, and the completed cost of the work, consequently, was $45,978,11, less than the approved estimate.


VANCOUVER DRILL HALL
Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	During the month of December, 1925, was it necessary to secure additional space for the handling of mail in the city of Vancouver?
2.	If so, from whom was such space secured?
3.	Was the drill hall at Vancouver used for the purpose of sorting and despatching Christmas parcel mail in the years 1923 and 1924?
4.	Was the said drill hall used for such purposes in
1925?	'
50,874.49
151,664.45
256,988.84
85,693.70
78,703.11
70,381.14
1,516
Questions

5.	What was the total amount paid for additional space for the handling of Christmas mail in 1925?
6.	To whom was such sum paid?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	Yes.
2.	Crone Storage Co., Ltd.
3.	Yes.
4.	No. Application was made to National Defence, for use of drill hall but was refused,
5 and 6. $250.00 for rental paid to Crone Storage Co. Ltd., Vancouver-$179.50 for installing temporary equipment paid to Harrison & Lamond,


SOLDIERS' CIVIL RE-ESTABLISHMENT-DOCTORS' SALARIES
Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):: 1.	What was the total number of medical doctors on the payrolls of the department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment on December 31, 1925 (a) full time; (b) part time?
2.	What was the -total amount of salaries .payable to the medical doctors mentioned (a) as to full time; (b) as to part time?


Edward Mortimer Macdonald: 1 and 2.
(a)
No.	Annual
	Employed	Rate
In executive capacities	. . 25	$ 111,185As pension examiners	. . 33	130,385In active treatment	of	patients	. . 41	147.58299	$ 389,152(b)	In executive capacities	. . 6	$ 12.780As pension examiners .	, . 28	64,302In active treatment	of	patients	. 73	145,698107	S 222.780
CUSTOMS PREVENTIVE SERVICE Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):
Under Vote No. 493 Supplementary Estimates 5-ear 1925-26, being $350,000 for the prevention of smuggling service,-
1.	How have these appointments been made?
2.	What have been the qualifications required of applicants?
3.	How many appointments have been made?
4.	What is the expenditure to date for this service?
5.	Has the result of this preventive service been wholly satisfactor>'?
6.	Is the government satisfied that this service should be exempt from open, competitive, qualifying examination ?

Hon. Mr. BOIYIN;.
1.	By the Minister of Customs and Excise.
2.	Ability to do preventive service work, honesty and integrity, willingness to follow instructions and the recommendation of responsible persons.
3.	67.
4.	$23,162.63.
5.	No.
6.	Yes.


FREDERICTON EXPERIMENTAL STATION
Mr. HANSON:: 1.	What was the total cost of the construction of the new residence for the superintendent of the Dominion experimental station at Fredericton, New Brunswick ?
2.	Was it done by day's work or by contract?


Hon. Mr. MOTHERWELL:: 1.	$12,936.81, expended in two years as rapidly as stone, suitable for house building purposes, could be gathered off the land.
2.	Day labour.


PICTON, ONTARIO, ARMOURIES
Mr. HUBBS:: 1.	On what date was the roof blown off the armouries at Picton, Ontario, and when did the work of repairing same begin?
2.	What, was the total cost of repairing?
8.	What is the estimated cost of repairing the floors and replacing ceilings, walls, woodwork, furniture and soldiers' equipment?
4.	What is the estimated loss occasioned by the delay in repairing roof?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	(a) July 16, 1925.
(b)	Contract awarded September 14 and contractor notified September 16.
2.	$4,122.20.
3.	$6,235 for structural repairs. With regard to soldiers' equipment there was no damage to clothing, equipment or arms.
4.	The greater part of damage was done when roof was blown off and subsequent weather conditions could not materially increase the damage.


MR. ANDREW B. COOIC
Mr. HANNESSON:: 1.	Has a war pension been granted to one Andrew B. Cook of Fort Qu'Appelle, Saskatchewan?
2.	If so, on what grounds, when and for what amount?
3.	From what date has it been paid, and for what amount was first payment?
4.	To whom was application for said pension first submitted?
5.	Who were the medical examiners who passed on this application?
6.	What was the record of military service of the said Andrew B. Cook?
7.	What are the dates and amounts of all payments made to the said Cook?

Questions


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes.
2.	(a) for a disability incurred on active service; (b) pension award was made June 17, 1925; (c) a 5 per cent disability pension from date of discharge-29th July, 1917, to the 31st December, 1924; a 15 per cent disability pension from the 1st January, 1925 for an indefinite period.
3.	(a) Answered by No. 2. (b) $443.42.
4.	Application was made in the usual way to the Unit Office of the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment at Regina.
5.	The regular Pension Examiners of the department and the medical advisers of the Board of Pension Commissioners dealt with the application in accordance with established procedure and submitted a recommendation to the board. It is not considered in the public interest to disclose the names of individuals who deal with pension applications; the Board of Pension Commissioners is fully responsible for all awards of pension.
6.	Captain Andrew Burton Cook, retired list, was first appointed to a commission as a lieutenant in the 95th Saskatchewan Rifles, non-permanent active militia, on the 22nd December, 1914. On the 16th February, 1916, he received an appointment as quartermaster with the rank of captain in the 195th Battalion, C.E.F., and proceeded overseas with that unit on the 31st October, 1916. While in England he was transferred to the 2nd Canadian Labour Battalion on the 26th December, 1916, with the same military status of quartermaster and proceeded to France with that unit on the 10t.h February, 1917. He was granted 10 days' leave to England on the 13th June, 1917, but was retained there and transferred to the British Columbia Regimental Depot, Seaford, on the 24th June, 1917, for return to Canada. He arrived in Canada for disposal by the Adjutant General on the 10th July, 1917, and was struck off the strength of the C.E.F. as surplus to requirements on the 28th July, 1917. Captain Cook was placed on the corps reserve of his non-permanent active militia unit and on the 24th July, 1924, was permitted to retire retaining his rank.
7.	Cheque A-9778 -$443.42 Arrears to 306-25; cheque F-47426-$12.50 July, 1925; cheque G-47546-$12.50 August, 1925; cheque H-47695-$12.50 September, 1925; cheque K-47911-$12.50 October, 1925; cheque L- 48011-$12.50 November, 1925; cheque M- 47703-$12.50 December, 1925; cheque A- 27263-$208.43 Allowance for wife and child to 31-12-25; cheque N-57071-$18.50 January, 1926. Total $745.35.


FORT QU'APPELLE SANATORIUM
Mr. HANNESSON:: 1.	Has any government inspector visited the AntiTuberculosis Sanatorium at Fort Qu'Appelle, Saskatchewan, for .the purpose of reporting on the advisability of establishing a post office there?
2.	If so, what is the nature of his report?
3.	Why was said inspector sent to visit the said institution and upon whose request?
4.	From the point of view of public health, would any good purpose be served by having a post otiice within the premises of the said institution?
5.	Has any recommendation been made as to who w'ould be the postmaster in event of said post office being opened, and by whom?
6.	If so, what is the name of the person suggested?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes.
2.	The application for a post office is recommended for favourable consideration, provided it is the practice of the department to open post offices under the conditions which obtain there.
3.	It is the usual practice of the Post Office Department to send an inspector to enquire into cases of applications for new post offices where, in the opinion of the district superintendent, the case is one to be dealt with by a personal visit. Application for post office was made by Mr. A. B. Cook, managing director of the sanatorium.
4.	If post office>
is established it would be on the grounds of public service.
5.	Yes. By Mr. A. B. Cook, managing director of the sanatorium and by the inspector's report.
6.	Mr. W. H. Madden, an official of the sanatorium.


NATURAL RESOURCES-MANITOBA-REVENUE
Mr. WARD:: What is the total amount of revenue colleoted from all sources of the province of Manitoba's natural resources in the years 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923. 1924 and 1925?


Ernest Lapointe: Department of the Interior
School Lands $663,039 S4 40S,349 69 203,795 51 104,990 33 64,392 97 69,900 83 3S.137 96

Dominion
Lands
1919-	20	$234,641	931920-	21	
246,287	921921-	22	
253,419	941922-	23	
192,731	641923-	24	
190,571	491924-	25	
215.651	43
1925-26 (8 months) 156,548 00
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Department of Marine and Fisheries-for Fisheries Licenses:
1920-	21	
117,792	581921-	22	
11,636	541922-	23	
12,736	6S1923-	24	
15,683	381924-	25	
17,388	541925-	26 to 31 December, 1925	10,184	01


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-ELMSDALE STATION
Mr. FOSTER:: 1.	How much money has been expended on the cellar drain for the new station at Elmsdale, Nova Scotia ?
2. Is the work on the cellar drain complete? If not, how much more will be required to finish it?
3.	Have any temporary facilities been afforded for loading and unloading cars?
4.	Is it proposed to increase siding space?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	$1,704.42.
2.	Yes.
3.	Two permanent platforms are under construction.
4.	No.


ENFIELD, NOVA SCOTIA-WHARF REPAIRS
Mr. FOSTER:: 1.	What is the cost of repairs made at the loading wharf, Enfield, Hants county, Nova Scotia?
2.	Is the work completed? If-not, why?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	$52 to date.
2.	No, account weather conditions.


DOOR LOCKS AND FASTENINGS-IMPORTS
Mr. TUMMON:: 1.	What were the quantities and value of iron, steel, brass, copper, and plated door locks and fastenings imported into Canada during the fiscal year just closed ?
2.	From what countries did they come?
3.	What was the quantity and value from each?
4.	What were the quantities and value coming in under the preferential tariff?
5.	From what countries did they come in under preferential tariff?
6.	What were the quantities and value from each?
7.	Were all parts of said locks and fastenings coming m under the preferential tariff manufactured in the country from which they were imported?
[DOT] 8- If not>
in what country were said parts manufactured and what was the quantity and value from each ?


James Alexander Robb: L 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. In the trade classification and statistics, imports of such goods are all placed under the item reading "Locks of all kinds." No quantities are specified.

Statistics of imports for the fiscal year ended
March 31, 1925, were as	follows:	Imports under
	Total	Preferential
Countries Whence Imported	Imports	TariffUnited Kingdom	1 30,804	$30,479Austria	16	Belgium	2	Czecho-Slovakia	28	France	3,085	Germany	3.323	United States	294.331	Total	$331,589	$30,479
7 and 8. Information is not available.


BONNYVILLE, ALBERTA-POSTMASTER
Mr. BURY:: 1.	Has Mr. Potvin, the postmaster of Bonnyville, Alberta, been dismissed from his said postmastership?
2.	If so, when was he dismissed, and for what cause or causes?
3.	Was any investigation into the cause or causes held?
4.	If so, when, where and by whom was such investigation held, and what findings were made upon
it?
5.	Was Mr. Potvin notified of the said cause or causes, and of such investigation?
6.	What opportunity, if any, was given to him to meet and answer such cause or causes of complaint?


Ernest Lapointe: (1)	Dismissal has been authorized. It will take effect as soon as the Civil Service Commission have appointed a new postmaster.
(2)	Dismissal authorized September' 21st, 1925.
(a)	Improperly forcing stamp sales.
(b)	Paying personal accounts by postage stamps, in violation of post office regulations.
(c)	Mistreatment of money due provincial authorities for automobile licenses.
(3)	Usual post office inquiry was held.
(4)	May 29th, 1925. Bonnyville, Alta., F. X. J. Leger, Post Office Inspector. That Mr. Potvin was not a suitable person to be retained as postmaster at Bonnyville, Alta.
(5)	Office was inspected and irregularities investigated in accordance with the usual post office practice. Postmasters are not notified when their offices will be inspected.
(6)	Postmaster was present when office was inspected.


BINDER TWINE IMPORTS
Mr. RYERSON:: 1.	What was the total quantity and value of binder twine imported into Canada during the year 1025, and from what countries were the said importations made?
2.	What was the total quantity and value of binder twine imported into Canada during the year 1925 from Holland, Belgium, United States and Great Britain, respectively?

Questions


James Alexander Robb: 1 and 2.
Imports of Binder Twine into Canada for Consumption during the fiscal year ended March 31, 1925 Countries Whence Imported	Quantity	Value
Pounds S
United Kingdom (Great Britain
and Northern Ireland)... 1,020,000	230,166
Belgium	
120	14Netherlands (Holland)	
820,718	95,840United States	
24,735,749	2,901,827Total imports	
26,576,587	3,227,847


CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MERCHANT MARINE
Mr. ARMSTRONG (Lambton):: How many vessels under control of the Canadian Government Merchant Marine, have not been operated during the year, 1925, how many of such vessels are capable of handling coal and grain?


James Alexander Robb: (a) Twelve; (b) eleven of these vessels are capable of carrying coal or grain through the canals to head of the lakes on a limited draft of fourteen feet. Cargo carried on this draft would be fifteen hundred tons or approximately fifty per cent of their total deadweight carrying capacity. One vessel, Canadian Squatter, is of too great a length to pass through the locks of the canals.


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-WHOLESALE FRUIT MARKET FACILITIES
Mr. SPENCE (Parkdale):: 1.	Has the Canadian National Railways entered into any agreement or arrangement for the construction of (a) a wholesale fruit market, (b) a cold storage warehouse, (c) storage warehouses and office accommoda-
'tion for the handling of the wholesale fruit marketing business in the city of Toronto?
2.	Has the Canadian National Railways advised the government of its intention to do so?
3.	If so, what is the estimated total cost of the proposed scheme?
4.	Has a site been secured for the erection of the aforementioned accommodation from the Toronto Harbour Commission, or has an option been secured for a site?
5.	Has the government given its approval of the said proposal ?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	(a) No. (b) No. (c) No.
2.	No.
3.	Answered by No. 2.
4.	No.
5.	Answered by No. 4.


PERMANENT FORCE-PROMOTION
Mr. DOUCET:: 1. Is it a fact that time served by officers of Canadian Expeditionary Force on active service during the great war who were not then on the permanent force but who are now on the permanent force, was not credited to them on time necessary to serve before automatic promotion? If so, why?
2.	Is it a fact that time served by permanent force officers on Canadian Expeditionary Force on active service during the great war is credited to them on time necessary to serve for automatic promotion? If so, why?
3.	Is it a fact that time served from date of being gazetted to permanent force is credited to officers on time necessary to serve for automatic promotion when time served by them on Canadian Expeditionary Force on war service in France or other actual theatre of war before being so gazetted is not credited? If so, why,
4.	Is it a fact that officers promoted from N.C.O. rank in permanent force receive higher pay than Canadian Expeditionary force officers now in permanent force not promoted from permanent force? If so, why?


Edward Mortimer Macdonald: 1, 2, and 3. Under the King's Regulations and Orders for the Canadian Militia, 1917, only such time as an officer has actually served in the permanent force from the date he is commissioned may be counted for the purposes of automatic promotion. Automatic promotion, i.e. promotion governed solely by length of commissioned service, is confined to certain officers known as "classified officers" such as district officers of the Royal Canadian Artillery, ordnance executive officers of the Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps, quartermasters, etc.	_
4.	Officers promoted from the ranks, while holding the rank of lieutenant, receive 40 cents per diem more than young officers on first appointment. The rates of pay for ranks above lieutenant are the same. Officers who are selected for promotion from the ranks to fill certain appointments for which they are specially fitted by long experience and training are usually men of middle age with family responsibilities. Other gentlemen appointed as lieutenants are young, unmarried and have yet to undergo training . and experience to qualify.


PENSIONS FOR THE BLIND
Mr. KENNEDY (Winnipeg):: 1.	Is it the intention of the government to introduce legislation during the present session making provision for pensions for the blind?
2.	Does the government recognize provision for the blind by way of pension or otherwise as a federal responsibility?


Right Hon. Mr. MACKENZIE KING:: 1.	No.
2.	This matter is not one of the enumerated subjects committed to the Dominion by the British North America Act.


SOLDIERS' CIVIL RE-ESTABLISHMENT- MEDICAL DOCTORS
Mr. CAMPBELL:: What are the names of the medical doctors, resident in the city of Winnipeg, who are on the payroll of the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment and the amount paid each during the years 1924 and 1925?
Questions


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD (Antigonish):: Calendar	Calendar
Name	Year 1924	Year 1925
	t	$
Adamson, Dr. J. D.. ..	2,400 00	2,400 00Ainlev, Dr. L. T.. ..	4,000 00	4,000 00Anderson, Dr. R. B.. ..	1,500 00	Struck off 30-6-24.Bell, Dr. P. G	3,600 00	3,600 00Cameron, Dr. H. M.. .	600 00	Struck off 30-4-24.Creighton, Dr. W.. ..	3,000 00	3,000 00Dey, Dr. W. F	3,600 00	3,390 00Gardner, Dr. W. A.. ..	3 600 00	3,600 00Groves, Dr. W. A.. ..	4,000 00	4,000 00Gunn, Dr. J. A	2,348 39	2,400 00"MacDonald, Dr. D. R..	1,250 00	3,125 00Mann, Dr. W. L.. ..	2.400 00	2.400 00McIntyre, Dr. D. F..	2,400 00	2,400 00Mclvor, Dr. N. K.. ..	4,800 00	4,800 00Nicholson, Dr. J. R. W.	3,600 00	3,600 00Secord, Dr. W. H.. .,	3,600 00	3,600 00Sterling, Dr. J. T.. .	1,500 00	Struck off 30-6-24.Taylor, Dr. A. R	4.000 00	4,000 00**Trudel, Dr. J. J	87 10	99 68Walton, Dr. F. C. A..	4.000 00	4,000 00Wheaton, Dr. C. J.. ..	1,500 00	Struck off 30-6-24.Williams, Dr. G. S.. ..	1,750 00	Struck off 31-7-24.Wright, Dr. J. T.. ..	1,650 00	Struck off 30-6-24.^ oung, Dr. F. A	3,600 00	3,600 00
Appointed August 1, 1924.
[DOT][DOT]Temporarily employed as relieving officer.


CUSTOMS SEIZURES-ROCK ISLAND
Mr. BALDWIN:: L How many seizures for infractions of the customs laws of Canada were made at Rock Island, Quebec, during the years from 1912 to 1921, both inclusive?
2.	In how many of the above cases were the guilty parties prosecuted?
3.	In how many of the above cases were penalties imposed?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1. Rock Island is an outport of the port of Beebe Junction and seizures made there are reported in returns from Beebe Junction, Que.
2	and 3. Answered by No. 1.


CUSTOMS SEIZURES-BEEBE JUNCTION
Mr. BALDWIN:: 1.	How many seizures for infraction of the customs laws of Canada, were made at Beebe Junction, Quebec, during the years from 1012 to 1921, both inclusive?
2.	In how many of tile above cases were guilty parties prosecuted?
3.	In how many of the above cases were penalties
imposed ?
Hon, Mr. BOIVIN:
1.	173.
2.	None.
3.	145.



PRINCE RUPERT SHIPBUILDING CONTRACT

Mr. COOTE:: 1.	With regard to the bond for $321,000 given by the contractors for completion of two ships at Prince Rupert, referred to on page 3514 revised Hansard, 1922, what was the name of the bonding company?
2.	Has the bonding company paid this amount or any part thereof to the government?
fMr. Campbell.]
3.	If so, what amount has been paid and on what date was payment made?
4.	If no payment has been made, what action, if any, has been taken by the government to secure payment of this bond?


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	London Guarantee and Accident Company, Limited.
2.	Yes.
3.	The amount recovered in settlement of a suit brought against the bonding company at a net cash value to the government is $121,264.25. January 26, 1925.
4.	Answered by 2 and 3.



MATURING OF IMPORTED WHISKEY

Mr. M OR AND:: 1.	What order or orders in council, if any, were passed during the year 1925 relating to further maturing of whiskey imported into Canada?
2.	What were the dates of such orders in council?
3.	If such order or orders in council were passed, are they now in effect, and since when?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	P.C. 1542 and 1734.
2.	7th September, 1925, 26th September, 1925.
3.	Yes. Since 1st October, 1925, except in respect of whiskey ordered before 1st October, 1925, and imported before 1st January, 1926.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-SALARIES

Mr. MAYBEE:: 1.	How many officials of the Canadian National Railways were drawing salaries of ten thousand dollars or more before the amalgamation of said railways?
2.	How many officials of the said Canadian National Railways were drawing salaries of ten thousand dollars or more during the year 1925?
3.	Where and in what capacity are such officials serving?


James Alexander Robb: The Canadian National Railway board and management urge that it is not in the public interest, and would be detrimental to the Canadian National Railways to publish the information asked for by the hon. member for Northumberland. It suggests comparisons between salaries paid certain officials prior to amalgamation of the National Railways, and those paid since consolidation. Question No.
3	is particularly objectionable from the standpoint of good management, in that the publication of such information might give rise to jealousies within the staff which would not be conducive to loyal and efficient service. Further, the information desired is such as i3 not required from any other railway in Canada and would place in the hands of the Canadian National Railways' chief competitor information which as regards other lines is not available to the Canadian National management.

Questions



CUSTOMS SEIZURES-SNAG PROOF LIMITED

Mr. MERCIER (St. Henri):: 1.	Were any customs seizures made from the Snag Proof Ltd., of Beebe, Quebec, between January 1, 1912, and December 31, 1921?
2.	If so, how many?
3.	Were any charges made against the same company during the same period for infraction of the customs Laws in connection with which no seizures were made?
' 4. If so, how many?
5.	In how many of the said cases were actions taken?
6.	In how many of the said cases were penalties imposed ?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	Yes.
2.	Three.
3.	Yes.
4.	Four.
5.	None.
6.	Three.



INCOME TAX ACT ADMINISTRATION

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):: As to Vote No. 349, Main Estimates 1925-26, being $2,000,000 for administration of the Income Tax Act:
1.	Are appointments under this vote made by a system of competitive examination or are they made by political patronage?
2.	What features are considered in connection with (a) promotions, (b) remuneration, (c) annual increases?
3.	What is the total number of employees under til's vote?
4.	What have been (a) the total revenue, (b) the total expenditure of the Income Tax and Business Profits branch each year since its inception?
5.	What is the average salary of the staff exclusive of the commissioner?
6.	Has the result of this service been wholly satisfactory ?
7.	Is the government satisfied that this service should be exempt from the Civil Service Act?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	Appointments are made by the Minister of Customs and Excise.
2.	Merit and ability.
3.	1,057.
Fiscal	Income	Business	Total	TotalYears	Tax	Profits	Revenue	Expenditure1916-17	12,506,516 72	12,506,516 72	58,174 811917-18	21,271.083 57	21,271,083 57	108,196 881918-19	
9,349,719 80	32,970,051 81	42,319,781 61	495,797 381919-20	.... 20,263,739 91	44,145,184 48	64,408,924 39	1,145,538 501920-21	
46,381,824 31	40,841,401 25	87,223,225 56	1,953,988 541921-22	.... 78,684,354 80	22,815,666 58	101,500,021 38	2,214,638 281922-23	.... 59,711,538 37	13,031,461 80	72,743,000 17	2,040,461 081923-24	
54,204,027 99	4,752,680 89	58,956,708 88	1,935,274 961924-25	
56,248,042 82	2,704,427 37	58,952,470 19	1,693,025 23Total	.... 324,843,248 00	195,038,484 47	519,881,732 47	11,645,095 665.	$1,396.54.6.	Yes.7.	Yes.



WAR TAXES-REVENUE

Mr. CLARK:: 1. What amount of revenue has been collected by the government of Canada from taxes made necessary
by the war for each year since 1921, giving details of such taxes?
2. What portion of said revenue has been required and expended for causes resulting from the war in
each of the said years with details of such expenditures?
Questions


James Alexander Robb: 1	Revenue Derived from Special War Taxes 1921 to 1925
	1921-22	1922-23	1923-24	1924-25
				
Excise Taxes-	$ cts.	$ cts.	$ cts.	$ cts.Licenses	119,118 00	68,420 00	58,020 50	36,211 00Stamps	2,143,105 25	5,018,448 84	8,175,300 66	. 8,691,332 37Embossed cheques	
Jewellery	840,279 25 108,147 20 2,694,113 86	516,742 09	657,564 97	634,555 58Matches	2,676,846 32	2,602,109 11	2,403,923 6iAutomobiles	59,963 74	1,362,597 36	2,689,399 55	2,410,878 60Playing Cards	231,070 55	206,626 52	176,760 20	203,282 25Confectionery	350,524 33 12,974 62 122,973 80	442,270 86	176,564 15	Phonographs, etc	Wines	159,370 05	151,580 05	66,839 54Ales, beer	
Whiskey	1,246,522 52 708,543 90 44,820,161 72	2,612,463 33	4,234,539 41	4,669,337 03Sales (domestic)	62,685,519 70	71,834,936 60	51,253,498 28Transportation	2,534,170 27	2,234,090 55	2,400,430 71	2,420,930 07Importations:-Sales	16,698,589 41	28,576,734 43	29,155,140 20	15,453,871 68Importations:-Excise	1,212,355 43	768,002 16	836,723 38	723,684 91Cigars	289,523 74 372,235 66	357,495 14 142,974 70 19,307 26	323,556 76 10,200 71 28,735 48Beverages	Carbonic Acid Gas	Total Excise Taxes	73,902,613 85	107,989,892 61	123,668,846 59	89,330,837 87Less Refunds	246,125 02	1,507,174 53	2,992,470 70	3,520,120 45Net Revenue Excise Taxes	73,656,488 83	106,482,718 08	120,676,375 89	85,810,717 42Income Tax	78,684,354 80	59,711,538 37	54,204,027 99	56,248,042 82Business Profits Tax	22,815,666 58	13,031,461 80	4,752,680 89	2,704,427 37Trust and Loan Companies	283,994 36	312,391 39	308,632 10	315,314 88Insurance Companies	749,958 75	852,328 12	857,586 98	867,901 96Chartered Banks	1,293,697 43	1,244,437 14	1,236,957 57	1,217,753 85177,484,160 74	181,634,874 90	182,036,261 42	147,164,158 30
Note.-Apart from these special war taxes, there were increases in customs and excise duties and in postage rates. No separate record has been kept of the revenue resulting from such changes.
2.
Principal Expenditures due to the War
1921-22	1922-23	1923-24	1924-25Interest on Public Debt (increase over 1914)	
Pensions	
Soldiers' Civil Re-Establishment	
Soldier Land Settlement (Administration)	
Imperial War Graves Commission	
Battlefields Memorials	
Adjustment of War Claims	S cts. 122,354,344 38 35,414,742 67 17,781,303 48 2,282,713 36 522,115 19 137,420 53 1,544,249 66	' $ cts. 124,999,230 24 32,118,374 33 13,365,134 89 1,819,825 56 378,441 65 180,736 39 4,284,023 37	$ cts. 123,344,366 74 32,443,502 21 10,312,947 42 1,615,005 72 371,784 78 108,773 18 446,082 79	$ cts. 121,896,099 27 33,842,248 03 8,981,199 57 1,412,900 59 446,895 77 195,312 59 506,931 27180,036,889 27	177,145,766 43	168,642,462 84	167,281,587 09
ALIEN ENEMY PROPERTIES Mr. NICHOLSON:
1.	Who is the Custodian of Alien Enemy Property in Canada?
2.	When was the present incumbent of the position appointed ?

3.	What remuneration does he receive for his services exclusive of allowances for personal expenses?
4.	What have been the total amounts received in cash by the Custodian of Alien Enemy Properties on account of. properties disposed of or partially disposed of since such custodian was first appointed?

Questions
5.	What has been the cost of administering such properties as have come within his jurisdiction?
6.	Are there any properties yet undisposed of? If so, has any valuation been made of the properties and what are the estimated sums to be received for same?
7.	What claims have been received by the Custodian of Alien Enemy Property for compensation for losses incurred during the Great War and properly coming within the provisions of the regulations governing such compensation ?
8.	What has been the total in cash of such claims?
9.	Have any of the claims been settled? If so, give a list of the claims with the firms or individuals filing
same?
10.	What basis has been taken upon which to settle such claims as have been disposed of?
11.	Have any claims been refused? If so, what are the reasons on which refusal was based?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	The Treaty of Peace orders in council declare "the Custodian" to mean, in respect of the time prior to the date of the orders, the Minister of Finance and Receiver-General, and from the date of the orders the Secretary of State of Canada. "The Custodian" is charged with the administration of enemy property in Canada.
2.	The Honourable Charles Murphy, Acting Secretary of State, was appointed on the 13th of November, 1925.
3.	Nothing.
4.	Total amount received on account Real Estate from 1-4-20 to 31-1-26, $362,108.60.; total amount received on account Securities Capital and Income from 1-4-20 to 31-1-26, $12,826,511.48.
5.	It is impossible to state accurately the cost of administration. The staff engaged in the custodian's office deals with not only the administration of enemy property but also with the clearing office and with internment operations. Down to the 1st of April, 1923, it is impossible to apportion the expenses of the office between these duties. Since the 1st of April, 1923, the administration of enemy property has been charged against commissions received, interest upon interest which is not credited to the enemy property, and other profits of the office, and amounts to $118,687.08. Other items of expenditure which are chargeable against enemy property are taxes, insurance, legal expenses and travelling expenses. The following amount shows the total of these expenses since the establishment of the office $264,573.57.
6.	There are properties still undisposed of. consisting of real estate and securities. The undisposed of real estate has been valued, and amounts to $78,856.17. The undisposed of securities have not been valued; in fact it is not possible to value them. Many of them are worthless. The bulk of them are not quoted on the stock exchange, and it is impossible to place any value upon them.
7.	Claims have been received by the custodian for compensation under the provisions of Article 297 of the Treaty of Versailles and the corresponding sections of the other Treaties. The claims are as follows:



GERMANY

[Stage Direction]
Name of Claimant	Amount claimed (exclusive of compensation)	Amount paid for claim	Amount paid for compensation	Dates claims and compen-sat:#n paidAlain	$ 2,134 26 60,537 90	S Rejected by Germany. 2,684 95 670 17	$	1922, Mar. 14April 26Devlin	24,723 70	33 51 980 92 5,842 11	2,060 66	1923, July 9 Aug. 30 1921, Nov. 2500 00	610 15	1923, Mar. 26 1921, Dec. 31Rolff	
Massey-Harris	7,186 24 1,500,000 00	Rejected by Germany. 1,200,000 00	300,000 00	1921, July 4Muller	4,053 00	292 40	4 00	Aug. 26 1923, Feb. 27Agnew	8,905 10	1,849 86	250 00	1925, Jan. 22 1922, Mar. 4Eaton Co	104 28	37 67	13 00	1923, July 30 1922, Nov. 24a	332 78	88 52	39 65	1923, Aug. 1 1923, Oct. 121925, Feb. 3
Questions

[Stage Direction]
Name of Claimant
Eaton Co
it
Noyes	
MacIntyre	
May	
Burt	
Kam-Morris...
Beard more...
Thompson & Co,
Gray	
Welsford	
Sims	
Badham	
Magee	
Hankey	
Nerlich	
it
Union Bank	
Martin	
Paterson	
Standard Chemical____
Daley	
Spinney	
De Jong	
Consolidated Asbestos
Munderloh	
Freyseng Cork	
Berlon	
Derrick	
Harris Abattoir	
Walter	
C.P.R	
a
Dominion Bank	
Black Lake Asbestos Columbia Leather___
Basilici	
Coleman	
Royal Bank	
Amount claimed (exclusive of compensation)	Amount paid for claim	Amount paid for compensations	$	$64 44	53 87	15 001,689 75	Withdrawn in Mixed Arbitral Tribunal proceed-	1,187 22	Rejected by Germ any.	1,109 24	860 7C	4,0.50 28	1,055 28	200 00	150 00886 18	234 25	493 15	457 126,866 54	836 53	3,434,678 00	1,334,888 364,200 39	4,436 26	320 001,410 01	1,208 58	1,296 00	Rejected by Germany.	881 71	881 72	30 0014,397 14	10,620 50	3,300 002,794 32	2,794 31	750 009,177 76	10.217 85	1,418 35	288 66	70 00224 22	224 22	55 00346 56	346 57	100 0041 16	41 13	9,958 97	9,958 97	700 54	65 95	181 72	191 21	45 009,189 68	9,138 15	1,000 001,527 40	547 28	100 005,529 17	5,442 02	2,909 62719 17	512 85	11 244,839 27	5,049 01	1,200 0036 63	36 63	713 65	752 61	180 00241 90	241 90	4 0094,630 08	Rejected by Germany.	22 68	22 68	6 00223 52	223 52	30 0057 90	Rejected by Germany.	163 41	Rejected by Germany.	290 56	290 56	46 45	46 45	25,338 32	Rejected by Germany.	38,185 28	15,487 32	1,020 00	250 0028 51	15 91	
Dates claims and compensation paid
1923,	Oct. 23
1924,	June 23
1923, Feb. 17
1922,	June 6
1923,	Mar. 17 1923, Feb. 5 1925, April 18 1922, Feb. 22 1925, July 18
Sept. 26
1922,	Sept. 9
1923,	Aug. 1 1923, April 9
1923, Mar.	17
Aug.	1
1922, Nov.	15
1923, Aug.	1
1922, Nov.	15
Aug.	1
1926, Feb.	6
1922, Dec.	16
1923, Aug.	1
1923, Aug.	4
1923, Aug.	4
1923, Aug.	2
1924, Mar.	18
1923, April	4
1922, Nov.	23
1923, Aug.	1
1923, May	19
Nov.	24
1923, Nov.	24
1924, Feb.	9
1925, July	17
1923, Mar.	9
1925, Feb.	17
1922, Nov.	23
1923, Aug.	1
1923, Mar.	2
1923, Jan.	20
Aug.	2
1923, Mar.	17
Nov.	24
1923, Nov.	24
1924, May	15
1923, May	19
1924, Jan'.	11
1923, Aug.	30
1923, Nov.	24
1922, Dec.	7
1925, Jan.	21
1924, June	23

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[Stage Direction]
Name of Claimant	Amount claimed (exclusive of compensation)	Amount paid for claim	Amount paid for compensation	Dates claims and compensation paidSchmarje	$ 9,546 32	$ Rejected by Germany.	$	1924,	Aug. 25 1925,	Mar. 9Newbery	329 66	329 66	118 31	tt	45 95	45 95	19 69	1924,	Aug. 25 1925,	Mar. 1691 62	41 66	1926, Jan. 22Patterson	
Purdy	
Hammond	
Roop	
Janssens	12,402 50 13,004 50	1 These claims have only recently been put in.	10,538 50 22,280 00 5,372 18	1 and have not yet been reported upon by Germany.	
In addition to the above claims, Germany has in certain cases admitted under Article 297 moneys which have not been made the subject o{ claims by this office under Article 297. They are as follows:-
		2,381 66 9 78 169,136 84 14 31 759 23			
Matthews-Blackwell (Canadian Packing					
					
					
					
					
	5,363,145 72	1,467,932 80	1,648,315 99		
HUNGARY					
„ .	537,964 98		693,465 27		1925, Mar. 30 31

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779,888 56		29,742 40	(Not yet paid out and therefore not added in.)
				
	6,680,999 26	1,467,932 80	2,341,781 26	
				
8.	Answered by 7.
9.	Answered by 7.
10.	The claims upon receipt are forwarded through the Central Clearing Office at London for submission to the German Treuhander, and in other countries the corresponding official. In many cases the claim has been admitted. In others they have been compromised by agreement between the claimant and the former enemy authorities. Other cases have been disposed of by the Mixed Arbitral Tribunal set up for the purpose under Section 304 of the Treaty of Versailles and the corresponding sections of the other Treaties.
11.	Consideration has not been refused to any claim. Every claim -has been put forward and supported by the Canadian Custodian to the greatest extent possible. In some cases the claims have been withdrawn by the claimants without being put forward before the Mixed Arbitral Tribunal above referred to.

Mr. FRASER:: 1.	What is the amount of the sales tax collected for the year ended March 31, 1925?
2.	What is the amount of sales tax collected for the current fiscal year to December 31st last?

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3.	What is the amount of the income tax collected for the year ended March 31, 1925?
4.	What is the amount of the income tax collected for the current fiscal year to December 31st last?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	366.707,369.96.
2.	Sol,757.283.86.
3.	$56,248,042.82.
4.	$53,242,920.61.	.
WAR TAXES-COST OF COLLECTION Mr. FRASER:
1.	What is the total cost of imposition, operation, supervision and collection of war tax revenue for each of the years from 1917 to 1925?
2.	What percentage of the total amount is represented by the imposition, operation, supervision and collection of the income tax?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	It is not possible to separate cost of collecting all war tax revenue from total cost, as collections of ordinary and war revenue are in many cases made in the same offices by the same staff.
2.	The total cost of imposition, operation,
supervision and collection of Business Profits Tax and Income Tax was as follows: 19161917, $58,174.81; 1917-1918, $108,196.88; 19181919,	$495,797.38;	1919-1920,	$1,145,538 50;
1920-1921, $1,953,988.54; 1921-1922, $2,214,63828; 1922-1923. $2,040,461.08; 1923-1924, $1,935,274.96; 1924-1925, $1,693,025.23.



CUSTOMS SEIZURES-AUTOMOBILES AND MOTOR TRUCKS

Mr. WILSON (Wentworth):: 1.	How many automobiles and trucks have been seized by the Department of Customs and Exc;se in the County of Wentworth and in the City of Hamilton during 1021, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925?
2.	What is done with these seized cars and trucks?
3.	Is storage paid on same? If so, what amount has [DOT] been paid ?
4.	How and when are these cars disposed of and what prices are received by the department for them?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	Seven.
2.	Released for export on payment of penalty, released for use in Canada upon payment of duty and penalty or forfeited and sold.
3.	Yes, when stored. $252.50.
4.	Two were forfeited. One was sold by tender to highest bidder for $160 and the other is still on hand. One seizure made November 18th, 1925 has not yet been decided.



SHIPMENTS OF GRAIN THROUGH CANADIAN PORTS

Robert James Manion: *
I.	How many bushels of grain were shipped through the port of Vancouver in 1925?
[Mr. Fraser. 1
2.	How many bushels of grain were shipped through the port of Montreal in 1925?
3.	How many bushels of grain were shipped through the head of the lakes (Fgrt Willda*m-Port Arthur) in
1925?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.
Bushels
Rail shipments	 2.680,17S
Wrater shipments	 32.093,116
Total	 34.773,294
2.
Canadian Grain-
Domestic shipments	 13,775,144
Export shipments	 105,181,320
Total	 118,956,404
United States Grain-
Domestic shipments	 959,835
Export shipments	 51,627,027
Total	 52.586,862
Total Canadian and United States
grain	 171,543,326
3.
Water Shipments	 305,422,574
Rail shipments	 11,422,500
Total	 316.845,080



PRINCE RUPERT ELEVATOR

Hon. Mr. MANION:: 1.	Is the gra.in elevator which was to be built at Prince Rupert completed, and if so, when was it completed ?
2.	What was the total cost of this elevator?
3.	How many bushels of grain have gone through this elevator since it was completed?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Yes. January 29, 1926.
2.	$1,028,242.54 to January 31, 1926.
3.	None.
LONG POINT, ONTARIO-LIFE SAVING CREW Mr. STANSELL:
1.	How many men are employed as life saving crew at Long Point, Norfolk County, Ontario?
2.	What remuneration do they receive?
3.	Was an order in council passed under date of May 6. 1925, authorising salaries to be: first, single men $69 per month plus $25 board allowance; second, for married men $70 per month plus $25 board allowance?
4.	WTas there also to be a raise of $5 per month each
year for three years?	.
5.	Are the men in receipt of that scale of remuneration at the present time?
6.	If not, why?

Questions


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	Eleven.
2.	Coxswain, $100 per month; boatmen, $50 per month. During season of navigation with subsistence allowance of $25 per month. The coxswain receives an additional $75 .per annum for looking after the station in the winter.
3.	Order in Council 6th May, 1925, P.C. 8/712 provides for the following compensation on recommendation of the Civil Service Commission:
Coxswain:	Monthly (during season of
navigation). On power life boats: $100, $105, $110, $115, $120. On oar propelled lifeboats: $90, $95, $100, $105, $110. Allowance: $25 per month for subsistence.
Boatmen: Monthly, $60, $65, $70, $75 (during season of navigation).	Allowance, $25
per month for subsistence.
4.	Yes, for four years.
5.	No.
6.	Crews of life boats do not come under the Civil Service Act ; they receive remuneration comparable to that received by the men engaged in the steamship service of the department.



HEROISM OF CAPTAIN FRIED

Mr. CHURCH:: 1.	Has the attention of the government been called
to the following, namely:	"the heroic conduct of
Captain George Fried of the U.S. Atlantic liner President Roosevelt in going to the help and rescue of the disabled British freighter SS. Antione, and against great adverse odds for over 100 hours given a brave endurance of cruel hardship to effect a rescue worthy of the best traditions of the sea, and which two of the crew of the President Roosevelt lost their lives?"
2.	In view of the fact that there were many Canadians on the President Roosevelt is it the intention of the government to tender some suitable form of recognition of such an outstanding act of heroism on behalf of the people of Canada as a token of appreciation of so valiant an act and one worthy of the best traditions of the sea and good sportsmanship?


Hon. Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	No,-except what has appeared in the public press.
2.	No. The Antione was owned and registered in England and according to press reports, the British government, which is the proper authority in this case, is recognizing the action -of the master and crew of the President Roosevelt.



FRASER RIVER CHANNEL

Mr. BARBER:: What amount has been expended on the improvement of the channel of Fraser river between Mission and Hope during the years 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, respectively?


Ernest Lapointe: Department of Marine and Fisheries-
For construction and maintenance lights,
buoys and beacons.
1922- 23	 $ 4,786 83
1923- 24	 3,423 98
1924- 25	 2,181 31
1925-	26 (to Jan. 30).. ..	6,474 69

Department of Public Works-
1922-	23	
$2,275	511923-	24	
1,604	451924-	25	
2,351	201925-	26 (to Dec. 31/25)..	2,532	32



$8,763 48 CALGARY POST OFFICE BUILDING

Mr. GARDINER:: 1.	What is the annual rental paid for the building used as a post office in the city of Calgary, Alberta?
2.	What other buildings are rented in Calgary for Dominion Government purposes and what is the rental of each?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	$70,000 annual rental paid for the Southam building which is partly used as a post office and in which are also located the Dominion Lands Branch, Topographic Survey, Water Power Branch of the Interior Department, National Defence-Headquarters M.D. No. 13, Soldier Settlement Board and Railway Commission.
2.	[DOT]	-Annual Rent
Space in Canadian Pacific Railway
station for mail accommodation. $	112 50
Six rooms Lancaster building, for Grain Inspection Branch, Department of Trade and Commerce. 1,901 62 Room 712, Lancaster building, is rented for the use of the Board of Grain Appeals, at the rate of
(a month)	
26	55Basement of Hickman Block for Interior Department,	storage	..	480	00
Portion of ground floor of Blowbuilding, for 0. & S.A. Branch,
D.S.C.R	
1,845	00Building, S07-10th Ave., W., and building, 801-10th Ave., W., for ordnance accommodation Department of National	Defence..	..	8,400	00
9th Ave., W., stables for National
Defence	
480	0010th Ave., W., stables for National Defence	
200	00
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No. 2 Police Station-2nd St. E., for R.C.N.V.R. Department of
National Defence	 900 00
Space in Chapin garage-324 Fifth Ave., W., for National Defence
garage	
600	00Building, 1115-Sth Ave., W., for "B" Sqd. Lord Strathcona Horse, Department of National Defence	
900	00Colonel Belcher Hospital-523-8th Ave., W., for S.C.R. Hospital.. 10,800	00R.C.M.P officers' quarters, 1094th Ave., W. (a month)	75	00
R.C.M.P. men's quarters, 104-5th
Ave., W. (a month)	
80	00Two rooms in the Live Stock Exchange building	
681	00Office from the Alberta Stock Yards Company Ltd	
561	00
INVERNESS RAILWAY Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
1.	What were the operating revenues and expenses of the Inverness Railway in each of the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?
2.	When did the Canadian National Railways take over the operation of the said railway?
3.	What amount has been invested by the Canadian National Railways in the said railway?
4.	What is 'the value of the rolling stock of the Canadian National Railways used in the operation of the said railway?
5.	What contributions, if any, are made by those interested in the operations of the said railways towards the losses of operation borne by the Canadian National Railways?
6.	What amount of money if any is paid by way cf rent or otherwise by the Canadian National Railways to the owners of the said railway?
7.	\\ ho are now the owners of the said railway?
8.	What, if any, representations looking to the sale [DOT]of said railway have been made by the present or prospective owners of the said railway to the Canadian National Railways or to the government?


James Alexander Robb: Year 1922
1. Revenues	$210,908 14
Expenses	 224,064 72
Deficit	$ 13,156 58
Year 1923	11 mos. 1924 Year 1925
$201,796 10	$108,849 70	$148,322 41262,290 42	191,466 94	213,861 0360,494 32	$ S2,617 24	$ 65,538 62
We have no information as to revenues or expenses for the month of January, 1924.
2.	1st February, 1924.
3.	Nothing.
4.	Any Canadian National or foreign equipment used from time to time is charged on
IMr. Lapointe.l
the usual per diem or rental basis. No equipment is assigned to that line.
5.	None.
6.	$25,000 per year.
7.	Eastern Trust Company.
8.	Order in Council of March 8, 1924, authorized the Canadian National Railway Company to lease the Inverness railway, with option of purchase, which option has not been exercised. Under date of October 28, 1925, an order in council authorized the Minister of Railways to lease the road from the Inverness Railway Company with option of purchase. The road having, meanwhile, changed hands that order in council became noneffective.



MR. PRESTON ELLIOTT

Mr. HUBBS:: 1.	Is Mr. Preston Elliott, former member of the House of Commons, in the employ of the Dominion Government ?
2.	If so, in what capacity, at what salary, and when was he appointed?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	No.
2.	Answered by No. 1.



CANADIAN BRIGADIER-GENERALS

Mr. EVANS:: 1.	How many brigadier-generals have we in Canada?
2.	How many of them are drawing pay-and how much?
3.	How many brigadier-generals were there in 1913?


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1.	None. There was never a substantive rank of brigadier-general in the Canadian militia, but a temporary rank of brigadier-general only which was abolished by General Order No. 151 of 1921 (Order in Council P.C. 1758 dated 30th May 1921). There are, however, 60 colonels in Canada (13 on the active list, 35 on the reserve of officers and other reserve formations and 12 on the retired list), who now hold the honorary rank of brigadier-general, which, with few exceptions, was granted them in lieu of the temporary rank of brigadier-general held by them during the war, authority for which is also contained in General Order No. 151 of 1921, above quoted.
2.	There are 8 officers with the rank of
colonel who held the temporary rank of brigadier-general in the field during the war and now hold the honorary rank of brigadier-general, drawing pay of their respective appointments as follows:	6 District Officers
Commanding who hold the temporary rank of

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Colonel Commandant whilst so employed and are paid $6,570 per annum. 1 Deputy Chief of the General Staff who holds the temporary rank of colonel on the staff whilst so employed and is paid $5,840 per annum. 1 Assistant Adjutant and Quartermaster-General of a Military District who is paid $5,200 per annum.
3.	None.



PROVISIONS FOR EX-SERVICE MEN

Mr. LADNER:: 1.	Has the government received a complaint from the Great War Veterans' Association of British Columbia or any other province to the effect that strict adherence to the letter of the regulations and a mass of red tape are robbing ex-service men of their rights and breaking the promise Canada made to her soldiers?
2.	Has any complaint been made by the said Great War Veterans' Association with respect to, (a) the development of physical troubles which the men attribute directly to the war but which they are unable to prove to the satisfaction of the authorities, (b) veterans broken in health and pocket without money to pay for medical attention and unable to take care of their families?
3.	Is it the intention of the government to introduce legislation by way of amendment to the Pension Act or otherwise, (a) to provide greater latitude on the part of departmental officials to deal with needy sick and meritorious cases, (b) to broaden generally the provisions of the law so as to enable our military hospitals or like institutions to receive and treat our ex-service man or woman applying for treatment, wdio, having been honorably discharged from the army, navy or air force, is suffering from an illness which may possibly be attributed to war service and to allow such ex-service man or woman to remain in such institution until fit to be discharged or until the departmental officials are able to prove that the illness of such man or woman is not attributable to war service ?
4.	Is it the intention of the government to make any amendments to the Pension Act during the present
session?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	No.
2 Witnesses who have appeared before the several committees of parliament appointed to deal with questions relating to pensions and re-establishment, and certain of those who were heard by the royal commission which made inquiry into these matters, have suggested that medical treatment should be given to ex-service men for every disabling condition irrespective of war service relationship. The records show that parliament has always deemed it wise to impose as a condition of eligibility for treatment that there be a relationship between the disabling condition and the war service of the applicant.
3.	The regulations presently in effect extend to ex-service men all the benefits for which, in the considered judgment of previous parliaments, provision could be made. They compare most favourably with those available in other countries. The regulations of the department provide that treatment without pay and allowances may be given when, in the opinion of the physicians of the department, there is a possibility that the disability may be connected with service, although definite relationship cannot be shown. As a safeguard of the rights of individual applicants provision has been made in the Pension Act for appeals from decisions concerning eligibility for pension or treatment, and for meritorious cases outside the act.
4.	The pension law has been reviewed and amended by parliament during every session since 1919. The governing principles are now definitely established, and it is not intended to introduce further amendments except to effect minor changes which experience may show to be necessary.



PREVENTIVE OFFICER AT BRANTFORD

Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Did the Department of Customs appoint one Cumeford as preventive officer at Brantford?
2.	If so, what was the date of the said appointment?
3.	Did the said Cumeford commence his duties on Monday, October 26, 1925?
4.	If so, what duties have been assigned to the said Cumeford?
5.	Was the collector of customs of the city of Brantford consulted in regard to this appointment?
6.	Why was a new position of "preventive officer" created in the city of Brantford at the end of October, 1925?
7.	Did the said Cumeford pass the necessary civil service examinations ?
8.	If so, on what date and at what place were the examinations held, and who was the examining officer?
9.	What is the salary attached to the said position, and what are the duties of this office?
10.	What was the amount of customs revenue at the port of entry of Brantford during each of the years 1923, 1924 and 1925?


Hon. Mr. BO IVIN:: 1.	Yes.
2.	October 9th, 1925.
3.	Yesf
4.	Duties of a customs excise enforcement officer.
5.	No.
6.	No new position was created.
7.	No examination was required.
8.	Answered by No. 7.
9 $100 per month.
10. 1923-24, $536,133.80; 1924-25, $328,762.32.



IMMIGRATION ADVERTISEMENTS

Mr. CAMPBELL:: 1.	What is the total amount paid by the Immigration department or any department of the government for immigration advertisements to the following newspapers since January 1, 1923: Norrona, Swedish News, Winnipeg?
2.	Has the government any contract with these newspapers for future advertising?
Questions


Ernest Lapointe: Department of Immigration and Colonization.
1.	Norona, $17,751.44; Swedish News, $17,283.46.
2.	No.
Department of Railways and Canals.
Since January 1st, 1923, Norrona and Swedish News, Winnipeg, have each received $14.00 for the publication in those papers of notice of tenders for Section 7, Welland Ship Canal.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-SUPPLIES

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):: 1.	What quantities and descriptions of material were bought for the use of the Canadian National Railways during the year 1925?
2.	What portion of said goods were iron, steel or metal products and what textiles?
3.	From whom were said goods purchased and at what prices?
4.	What quantities of fuel and lubricating oils were purchased by the Canadian National Railways, where these purchased; what prices were paid, where was delivery made to the railways?


James Alexander Robb: The Canadian National Railway board and management hold strongly that it is not in the public interest, and would be injurious to Canadian National Railways, to bring down information such as that sought by Mr. Macdonald and having to do with the purchase of materials and supplies. Even were it a proper principle to adopt, it would be a matter of great difficulty and expense to compile such a statement. In addition it is information which conceivably, might result in increased prices of material and supplies, and consequent increased operating cost of the railway. It has been found that commercial houses and industrial organizations tendering on railway requirements hesitate to submit their best prices when there is likelihood of the same being divulged.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-COAL

Mr. JOHNSTONE:: 1.	From what companies in the Maritime provinces did the Canadian National Railways purchase coal in each of the calendar years 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925?
2.	What was the amount contracted for with each company ?
3.	What was the price agreed upon in each contract?
4.	How many tons were obtained from each of the companies with whom contracts were made?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	1921-Bras d'Or Coal Company, British Empire Steel Corporation, Emmerson Coal Company, Greenwood Coal Company, Harvey Welton, Indian Cove Coal Company, Intercolonial Coal Mining Company, Inverness Coal Company, Minudie Coal Company, Maritime Coal Railway & Power Company,

Minto Coal Company, Miramichi Lumber Company, Port Hood Collieries, Rothwell Coal Company and Welton & Henderson.
1922-	Anglo Coal Company, Bras d'Or
Coal Company, British Empire Steel Corporation, Chimney Corner Coal Company, Carter Coal Company, Emmerson Coal Company, Greenwood Coal Company, Harvey Welton, Indian Cove Coal Company, Intercolonial Coal Mining Company, Inverness Coal	Company,	Lawson	Coal	Company,
Minudie Coal Company, Maritime Coal Railway & Power Company, Minto Coal Company, Miramichi Lumber Company, National Coal Company, River Hebert Coal Company, Rothwell Coal Company and Welton & Henderson.
1923-	Bras d'Or Coal Company, British
Empire Steel Corporation, Beaver Coal Company, Carter Coal Company, Emmerson Coal	Company,	Funday	Coal	Company,Greenwood Coal	Company,	Harvey Welton,Indian Cove Coal Company, Intercolonial Coal	Company,	Inverness	Coal	Company,
Lawson Coal Company, Minudie Coal Company, Maritime Coal Railway & Power Company, Minto Coal Company, Miramichi Lumber Company, National Coal Company, River Hebert Coal Company, Rothwell Coal Company and Welton & Henderson.
1924-	Avon Coal Company, Bras d'Or Coal Company, British Empire Steel Corporation, Carter Coal Company, Emmerson Coal Company, Funday Coal Company, Greenwood Coal Company, Harvey Welton, Indian Cove Coal Company, Intercolonial Coal Mining Company, Inverness Coal Company, Lawson Coal Company, Maritime Coal Railway & Power Company, Minto Coal Company, Miramichi Lumber Company, National Coal Company, River Hebert Coal Company, Rothwell Coal Company, Welton & Henderson and Beaver Coal Company.
1925-	Bras d'Or Coal Company, Boston Coal Company, British Empire Steel Corporation, Carter Coal Company, Emmerson Coal Company, Funday Coal Company, Greenwood Coal Company, Indian Cove Coal Company, Intercolonial Coal Mining Company, Inverness Coal Company, Maritime Coal Railway & Power Company, Minto Coal Company, Miramichi Lumber Company, River Hebert Coal Company, Rothwell Coal Company, Victoria Coal Company and Welton & Henderson.
2,	3 and 4. The management consider that it would not be in the public interest, would be injurious to National Railways, and an embarrassment in future negotiations to publish contracts, prices and deliveries, as called for by these questions.

Questions



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-PASSENGER CARS

Mr. CANTLEY:: 1.	What number of passenger railway cars not the property of the Canadian National Railways were employed in conveyance of passengers on the Canadian National Railways during the year 1925?
2.	Where were such cars built, where owned and by what company or corporation?
3.	On what terms and at what cost were such cars secured for operation in the train service of the said railway ?
4.	What duty, if any, was paid on said railway cars?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Seventy.
2.	Pullman Company, Chicago, 111.
3.	Temporary for summer months. Coaches $14. Parlor cars $30 and sleeping cars $35
per car per day.
4.	No duty. Equalizing mileage made on United States lines.



REVISION OF STATUTES

Mr. McQUARRIE:: 1.	What are the names, addresses and occupations of the committee engaged on the revision of the statutes of Canada?
2.	When were the members of the said committee respectively appointed including any substitutions which have been made?
3.	What sums have been paid to members of the said committee respectively: (a) as remunerations; (b) for expenses ?
4.	What sums are still due to members of said committee respectively?
5.	Is the said committee still at work?
6.	Has any time limit been fixed for completion of said revision?
7.	What is the total estimated cost of the said revision ?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.
The Honourable the Minister of Justice, member ex officio; The Honourable the Solicitor General, member ex officio; Right Honourable Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, G.C.M.G.,
K.C., President, Quebec City, Quebec, Gentleman and Retired Chief Justice; E. R. Cameron, Esq.. K.C., Vice president, Ottawa. Registrar of the Supreme Court of Canada; E. J. Daly, Esq., Commissioner, Ottawa, Barrister, etc.; F. R. McD. Russell, Esq., K.C., Commissioner, Vancouver, B.C. Barrister, etc.; L. A. Rivet, Esq.. K.C., Commissioner, Montreal, Quebec, Barrister, etc.; Secretary, Napoleon Laliberte, Esq.. Victoriaville, Quebec, Advocate.
2.
The original members of the Commission were appointed by order in council of December 28, 1923. These were:	The Honourable
the Minister of Justice, ex officio; The Honourable the Solicitor General, ex officio; The
Right Honourable Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, G.
C.M.G., K.C., President; E. L. Newcombe, C.M.G., K.C., Vice President, resigned September 19, 1924; E. R. Cameron, K. C., appointed December 11, 1924, to take the place of Mr. Newcombe, who was appointed to the Supreme Court Bench; H. H. Dewart, K.C., Toronto, deceased; Alex. MacGregor, Barrister, Toronto, appointed to succeed H. H. Dewart, August 22, 1924. resigned October 21, 1925;
E. J. Daly, Barrister, appointed December 28, 1923; F. R. McD. Russell, K.C., appointed December 28, 1923; L. A. Rivet, K.C., appointed December 28, 1923; Napoleon Laliberte, Secretary, appointed March 1, 1923.
3.
The Honourable the Minister of Justice, (a) nil; (b) nil; The Honourable the Solicitor General, (a) nil; (b) nil; The Rt. Hon. Sir Chas. Fitzpatrick, (a) $8,236.52; (b) $753.00;
E.	L. Newcombe, K.C., (resigned), (a) $2,085.75; (b) $40.00; E. R. Cameron, K.C.,
(a)	$3,419.35; (b) $79.10; H. H. Dewart', K.C., ,
(deceased), (a) $1,189.50; (b) $260.00; Alex. MacGregor, (resigned), (a)	$2,909.92;	(b)
$300.00; E. J. Daly, (a) $5,147.81; (b) nil;
F.	R. McD. Russell. K.C., (a) $5,147.81; (b) $2,500.00; L. A. Rivet, ICC., (a) $5,147.81;
(b)	$520.00; Napoleon Laliberte, Secretary, (a) $7,666 63; (b) nil.
4.
Their services have been paid for up to January 31, 1926.	*
5.
Yes.	.
6.
No, but it is anticipated that the work will be completed during the present calender year.
7.
Probably will not exceed $100,000.



IMPERIAL PENSIONS IN CANADA

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):: 1.	Has the government' any information as to the intention of the British Ministry of Pensions to take over the administration of the Imperial Pensions in Canada, and the United States, which administration has been carried on by the Canadian Government for some years for the British Government?
2.	Has any claim for compensation been made by the British Government on account of alleged maladministration by the Canadian Government of these pensions or services connected therewith?
3.	What is the amount of such claim?


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1.	Yes.
2.	No.
3.	Answered by No. 2.
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WELLAND CANAL

Mr. PETTIT:: 1.	On what basis were the contracts let for the construction of the various sections of the New Welland ship canal with respect to wages prior to 1st April, 1925?
2.	Were not the tenders for those contracts made and accepted on that basis?
8.	When and to what extent were those wages subsequently reduced and at whose instance?
4.	Who got the benefit of the reduction, the government or the contractor and in what way and to what extent? '
5.	Was there any refund or rebate to the contractor and in what way?
6.	Are not ordinary labourers now working on the present Welland canal paid 38 and 40 cents an hour and how does the Government differentiate between those labourers and the ordinary labourers on the new ship canal who are only paid 25 cents an hour '


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	Four contracts for the construction of various sections of the Welland ship canal made prior to April 1, 1925, are still current. These contracts all contained fair wages , clauses providing that the mechanics, labourers and other persons performing labour in the construction of the works were to receive such wages as are generally accepted as current from time to time during the continuance of the contract for competent workmen in the district in which the work is being performed, or if no rates were current in the district, then fair and reasonable rates. In the contract for sections 1 and 2, which was made in 1921, and in the contract for sections 3 and 4, which was made in 1922, it was provided that in the event of a dispute arising as to what were the current or fair and reasonable rates of wages, they dhould be determined by the Minister of Labour, whose decision should be final. The ether contracts for sections 7 and 8 empowered the Minister of Labour at any time and from time to time to determine for the purposes of the contract what were the current or fair and reasonable rates of wages for the workmen employed.
2.	Yes.
3.	On May 1, 1922, certain reductions were sanctioned by the Minister of Labour in the rates of wages which had previously been in force on Sections 1 and 2 of the Welland ship canal. These reductions were based on an inquiry into the current wages conditions in the district. On June 1, 1923, the rates in effect on Sections 1, 2, 3, and 4 were increased by the contractors five cents an hour, which increase was subsequently confirmed by the Minister of Labour, excepting as to carpenters, in respect of whom a further increase of five cents an hour was provided in accord-

ance with the rates current in the district. On April 1, 1925, certain reductions in wage rates were sanctioned by the Minister of Labour amounting in general to five cents per hour. These reductions were based on an enquiry into the current wages conditions in the district. The revision of wage rates which was made in 1922 and in 1925 was made on application of the contractors; the revision which was made in 1923 was made on application of the employees.
4.	The contracts with the government for the several sections of the Welland ship canal were made on unit prices for the work of excavation, etc., which was involved. The benefit of wages reductions inured, therefore, to the contractors, and the benefit of wages increases to the workmen employed.
5.	No.
6.	Ordinary labourers employed on the present Welland Canal are receiving rates of from 30c to 40c an hour, varying somewhat in different localities. These rates have been in effect for a number of years past. The minimum rate of wages of ordinary labourers employed on the Welland ship canal construction is at present one of 35c an hour, based on current wages conditions in the district.
ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING COMPANY Mr. FOSTER:
1.	Has the charter of the Electrical Engineering Company of Montreal, Quebec, been cancelled?
2.	If so, at whose request, and for what reasons?
3.	To whom, if anybody, has the name been given?


Ernest Lapointe: 1 and 2. No company of this name has been incorporated under part 1 of The Companies Act. The Secretary of State has authority to cancel a charter only when so requested by petition of the company in question under the authority of Section 27A of the Companies Act as amended.
3.	The above name has not been granted to any company by this department.
TRANSPORTATION OF COAL Mr. CHURCH:
1.	What sums were voted by parliament in the years 1923, 1924 and 1925 to bonus the carrying of Canadian coal, and how was this money expended, and what part went to bonus Alberta and Maritime coal in each of the above years?
2.	Will the government this year continue this policy and extend it?


Hon. Mr. STEWART:: 1.	In 1923-24. No money voted for this department (Department of Mines).

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In 1924-25. Voted $200,000. Vote No. 483. Paid Canadian Pacific Railway
Co	 $	657 63
Paid Canadian National Railways	 10,393 44
Total expended (Maritime
coal only)	 $11,051 07
In 1925-26. Voted $5,000. Vote No. 479. Expended $3,215.40. Paid direct to railways in settlement of accounts for coal shipped under 1924-25 agreement which were not rendered at close of that fiscal year (Maritime coal).
In 1925-26. Voted $25,000. Vote No. 475. To provide for expenses in connection with a trial shipment of Alberta Coal to Ontario, with the object of determining the actual cost of carriage by rail, by payments to be made to the Canadian National Railways at the rate of $1 per ton. None expended to date.
2.	Under consideration.


Mr CHURCH:: 1.	Will the government as set out in the Railway Act direct the Railway Commission, under the Railway Act, to enforce the Railway Act and grant the Maritime provinces mines equality of treatment as to special rates for coal similar to that given Alberta in carrying coal to central Canada, and enforcing the Railway Act, which provides that the railway commission of its own volition must see that there is as to rates equality of treatment between localities and that rates must be just, fair, reasonable and equitable as between localities with no unjust or unfair discrimination as between the carrying of coal from Alberta to central Canada, and the rates from Nova Scotia?
2.	If not, why, and will a coal inquiry be instituted, and when?


Ernest Lapointe: By order in council P.C. 226, February 13, 1926, the Board of Railway Commissioners for Canada has been requested to immediately inquire into and report to the government upon, the question of the cost of transportation per ton, in full capacity train load quantities, of seasonal movements of coal from the producing points in the Maritime provinces to selling points in Quebec and Ontario. Similarly by order in council PC. 225 of February 13, 1926, the Board of Railway Commissioners for Canada was requested to conduct a similar inquiry and report to the government with respect to the cost of transportation of Alberta coal to Ontario.



COAL PRICES

Mr. CHURCH:: 1.	Has the attention of the government been called to the exorbitant rates being charged in central Canada for American cheap soft coal and other substitutes for anthracite coal?
2.	Will the government introduce legislation for a "Regulating Coal Act" similar to "The Grain Act" for regulating grain, and also hold an inquiry as to whether a combine exists to enhance prices under The Combines Act?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Two complaints received.
2.	(a) No information.
(b)	If an application for inquiry is received, it will be dealt with as required by the Combines Investigation Act.



TORONTO RIFLE RANGES

Mr. CHARTERS:: 1.	On what date were tenders asked for the purchase of portions of the rifle rang.s property in Toronto township, county of Peel?
2.	How many acres were offered for sale?
3.	How many tenders were received?
4.	What were the prices offered?
5.	What is the name of the successful tenderer?
6.	Is it the intention of the government to offer the remainder of the property for sale?


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1.	Tenders were invited on September 9, 1925, and were due on the 23rd September, 1925.
2.	26.7 acres, more or less.
3.	Three.
4.	$1,351 per acre-offered by W. G. Harris. $1,200 per acre, subsequently increased to $1,525 per acre-offered by Messrs. Hubbs & Hubbs, Ltd. $1,100 per acre-offered by Mr. Abraham Schwarts. Mr. Harris withdrew his offer on the 27th October, 1925, and Mr. Abraham Schwarts on the 29th October, 1925.
5.	Messrs Hubbs & Hubbs, Ltd.
6.	No.



RAILWAY COMMISSION-SPECIAL CAR

Mr. HARRIS:: 1.	When was the car Acadia, used by the members of the railway commission, purchased?
2.	Was the car then a new modern steel car, selected as being properly adapted to the use of the commission ?
3.	What was the purchase price?
4.	Has the said car been since internally altered and rearranged ?
5.	If so, of what do such alterations consist?
6.	Were the said alterations made under the authority of a resolution of the Board of Railway Commissioners?
7.	If not, under what authority were they made?
8.	What was the cost of such alterations?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	The car used by the Board of Railway Commissioners has never been purchased by the Board. In 1921 the old car Acadia was considered unfit for further use as a board car, and arrangements were entered into with the Canadian National Railways for a new steel car. Under joint arrangement between the Department of Railways and Canals, the Can-
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adian National Railways and the Board of Railway Commissioners, the present car is at the disposal of the board for its exclusive use; the board to be responsible for the car being kept in good repair.
2.	Yes.
3.	See answer to question No. 1.
4.	Yes.
5.	Alterations principally in connection with the sleeping compartments in the car.
6.	No.
7.	The Department of Railways and Canals.
8.	Repairs, $4,156.16; remodelling $965.26.



COST OF CANALS

Mr. MacLAREN:: 1.	What was the cost of operation, maintenance and repairs of the canals for the year 1925?
2.	What cost has been incurred by the Dominion government for operation, maintenance and repairs of the canals from the time of confederation to the 31st of December, 1925?
3.	What was the cost of construction of the canals from the time of confederation to the 31st of December, 1925?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	$2,993,968.37.
2.	$63,129,821.25.
3.	$153,062,256.18.



MR. J. E. BISAILLON

Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Was one J. E. Bisaillon recently an employee of the Department of Customs and Excise?
2.	Is so, when was he appointed and was his appointment made by the Civil Service Commission nr by ministerial authority?
3.	If such appointment was made by the Civil Service Commission, who were the members thereof?
4.	If such appointment was made by ministerial authority, who was then the Minister of the Department of Customs and Excise?
5.	Was the said J. E. Bisaillon promoted in the service subsequent to his appointment?
6.	If he was so promoted, what was the date or dates thereof, and was such promotion based upon departmental reports as to his fitness for the higher (position?
7.	D.d the Department of Customs and Excise, or any officer thereof, when making the said reports upon which said Bisaillon was promoted, deceive or mislead the Civil Service Commission as to said Bisaillon's integrity and fitness for promotion?
8.	If so, what officer or officers were responsible, and has the government taken or does it intend to take any action towards disciplining them?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	Yes.
2.	Temporarily employed April 18, 1910. Permanently appointed June 16, 1916 by order in council June 16, 1916.
3.	Answered by No. 2.
4.	Order in council was passed on recommendation of Hon. J. D. Reid, who was then Minister of Customs.

5.	Yes.
6.	Promoted by Civil Service Commission on April 1, 1923 and on July 1, 1924 upon departmental ratings as to his fitness for higher position.
7.	No.
8.	Answered by No. 7.



LABOUR ALONG INTERNATIONAL BORDER

Mr. ROBINSON:: 1.	In view of the fact of there being a great number of Canadian citizens residing in the cities a'.ong the international border, and working in the United States, has the government taken any steps to secure from the government of the United States an agreement that will crystallize into law the present neighbourly understanding as to labour along the border?
2.	If so, what negotiations have been carried on and with what results?


Hon. Air. STEWART:: 1.	No. The present neighbourly understanding continues to be neighbourly and, as it has continued for many years and as there has been no marked change in the attitude of the United States government, it has not been, thought advisable to raise any question concerning the matter. At various points along the international boundary between the Atlantic and Pacific it has been the custom for workmen to reside in one country and work in another. This custom has been so long recognized as to become established. If an attempt were made to establish by law or formal agreement what is now recognized as established by custom it is thought that serious difficulties might arise.
2.	Answered by No. 1.



REPARATIONS

Mr. HARRIS:: 
Ernest Lapointe: 

MR. FRANCIS L. CULLEN

Mr. DOUCET:: 
Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes.
2.	Honourable Charles Marcil, M.P.
3.	Yes, on January 12th, 1926.
4.	J. A. Nadeau, Barrister, Quebec.
5.	Commissioner Nadeau found postmaster guilty of active political partisanship and recommended his dismissal.
6.	Yes. Order in council 28-1-26.
7.	Permanent appointment will be made by Civil Service Commission. In the meantime, temporary arrangements have been made for management of post office.



IMPERIAL PENSIONS IN CANADA

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):: 1.	What arrangements exist at the present time for payment of imperial pensions in Canada by the Canadian Government?
2.	What arrangements existed previous to the above?
3.	Did any official or officials of any Canadian department act for the Imperial Government at any time?
4.	Who were these officials and when did they act?
5.	What amounts as salary were paid to these officials?


Ernest Lapointe: Auditor General's Department.
1.	& 2. No officials of the Auditor General's Office have ever been engaged in the payment of imperial pensions.
3.	Yes.
4.	& 5. The following employees of the Auditor General's office have been engaged on the audit of imperial pensions:
Name - Period - Amount of Salary
to Jan. 31st, 1926. B. R. King, May 19, 1924 to date $ 3,83129 A. S. Richardson, June 10, 1924 to
date	 2,467 35
E. Birtch, July 13, 1925 to date
(less 14 d. Aug.)	 459 67
D.	S. Gough, April 1, 1925 to date 1,100 00
S.	C. Stephenson, June 16, 1925
to date	 58194
M. A. Bentley, Dec. 1, 1924 to May 15, 1925	 528 38
A.	Nelson, Dec. 1, 1924 to July 31,
1925		 780 00
H. Peskett, 18-t d. May and 13 d.
June 1925		 77 25
R.	A. L. Hill, June 15, 1925 to
Sept.	9, 1925	 226 66
M. G. Cox, July 13, 1925 to July 31, 1925		 45 97
L.	Baron, July 17, 1925 to Aug. 31,
1925	 89 03
E.	Fancy, July 31, 1925 to Nov. 4,
1925	 188 97
B.	O'Meara,	Dec. 3-31,	1925__________ *5613S.	Scott, Dec. 2, 1925 to date____	118 06M.	Coleman,	Nov. 14-18,	1925..	1000

The following officials of other departments were loaned to the Auditor General for assistance in this work:-
Amount of
Name and Dept. - Period - Salary to
31st Jan. 1926
Interior.
A A. Traversey, July 2-21, 1925...8 135 47
F.	Hoad, July 13-Aug. 31, 1925...	134 40
Marine and Fisheries.
J. Roughsedge, July 4-Aug. 24, 1925	14121
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment.
J. Hogan, July 9-31, 1925..:	 9645
Soldiers' Settlement Board.
A. Gray, July 17-Aug. 31, 1925....	259 67
R.	A. Bradshaw, Aug. 6-Aug. 31,
1925	 100 64
S.	Jamieson, Aug. 6-Sept. 19, 1925..	279 68
A. D. Wymbs, Aug. 6-Sept. 5, 1925..	160 85



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Accounts for the salaries of all the above employees and also expenditures for printing and stationery and travelling expenses up to August 31 last have been repaid by the Imperial Government. Accounts for the subsequent expenditure will be submitted regularly.
Department of Marine and Fisheries.
1.	To accommodate the Board of Trade, London, the Department of Marine and Fisheries at present transmits to each of 12 widows of seamen pensions under the Imperial War Risks Compensation Scheme of the Mercantile Marine, Board of Trade, such funds being supplied by the board.
2.	3. 4. & 5. No information.
Department Soldiers Civil Re-establishment.
1.	The work is carried on by the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment;
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the arrangements are set out in an order in council of the 1st of December, 1921 (P.C. 4500).
2.	(a) Upon the withdrawal of the British garrison from Halifax in 1906, until April 190S, payments were made by the Department of Militia and Defence.
(b)	An order in council of the 5th May, 190S (P.C. 876) placed the work "under the joint administration of the Deputy Postmaster and the Deputy Minister of Militia & Defence, assisted by the Accountant and Paymaster General of the Department of Militia and Defence, and the Accountant of the Post Office Department as Auditors, subject to the approval of both the Minister of Militia and Defence and the Postmaster General." This arrangement continued until the 31st December, 1919.
(c)	An order in council of the 19th January, 1920 (P.C. 133) placed "the administration of imperial pensions in Canada... .under the control and administration of the Board of Pension Commissioners." This arrangement continued until the 30th November, 1921.
3.	No; the arrangements were as set out in No. 2 (b) and (c).
4.	Answered by No. 2.
5.	(a) An order in council of the 8th July, 1920 (P.C. 307) shows that, in addition to their regular salaries, the officers appointed under P.C. 876 to administer Imperial Pensions were paid;
The Deputy Postmaster General, SI,500 per annum; the Deputy Minister of Militia and Defence, $1,500 per annum; the Accountant, Militia Dept., $1,200 per annum; the Accountant, Post Office Dept., $1,200 per annum.
(b) Members of the Board of Pension Commissioners and officials of the department have not received any payments in addition to their regular salaries.

Mr. HARRIS:: 1.	What new furnishings and equipment have been supplied to the office occupied by Mr. Thomas A. Vien. ex-M.P., in the suite of the railway commission.
2.	What was the cost of all such new furnishings and equipment ?
Hon. Mr. King (Kootenay):
1.	Desk, bookcase, chairs, rug, and other fittings.
2.	81,597.10.


Mr. HARRIS:: 1.	Has the office accommodation formerly occupied by the Honourable Mr. W. B. Nantel and the Honourable M. E. Bernier, and now occupied by Mr. Thomas A. Vien, ex-M.P., been enlarged?

2.	Was this enlargement made on the authority of a resolution of the Board of Railway Commissioners?
3.	Was a request made to the Department of Public Works by Thomas A. Vien, ex-M.P., that this office be enlarged?
4.	Was an unfavourable report made on such request by an engineer of the Department of Public Works?
5.	Who caused the changes to be made and by whose authority?
6.	What was the cost of enlarging this said office accommodation ?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	Yes.
2.	Yes
3.	Yes.
4.	No.
5.	Changes requested by railway commission and carried out by Public Works department.
6.	$733.



EXECUTIONS AT OK ALLA PRISON

Hon. Mr. STEVENS:: 1.	Is the government aware that it has been publicly charged that 125 invitations were issued to witness the execution of two criminals-Sowash and Baker-at the Okalla prison recently? If so, will the government make necessary inquiries to ascertain the truth in the matter?
2.	Is the government aware that it is publicly charged that "passes" issued to witness the Sowash-Baker execution were sold by recipients at $5 each? If not, will the government take necessary steps to ascertain the truth or otherwise of this public charge?
3.	Will the government take necessary steps to limit witnessing of executions strictly to those officially entitled to be present?


Ernest Lapointe: The government has no knowledge of the matter, and in any event the responsibility for the proper carrying out of death sentences rests entirely with the provincial authorities who are charged with the administration of criminal justice.



ESCUMINAC BREAKWATER

Mr. HANSON:: 1.	Has a contract been let by the Department of Public Works for the construction of a breakwater at Escuminac, New Brunswick?
2.	If so, to whom, at what price and when is the work to be completed?
3.	How many tenders were received for this work, and what were the amounts of such tenders?
4.	Were tenders called for more than once? If so, why?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	Yes.
2.	(a) The Burpee Construction Co. Ltd.
(b)	Unit prices totalling approximately $43,991.
(c)	April 29, 1927.
3.	(a) Four.
(b) $43,991.00 unit prices.
$44,345.25 unit prices.
$44,715.00 unit prices.
$44,952.00 unit prices.

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4.	(a) Yes.
(b) After the reception of the first tenders, two tenderers advised the department that they had made mistakes in the amount of their tenders. Another tender was irregular owing to it not being accompanied by the required security. In view of these unusual circumstances, it was considered advisable to invite new tenders.



CENSUS-MANITOBA SASKATCHEWAN AND ALBERTA

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):: 1.	Has the government arranged for a census of the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, or any of them?
2.	If so, is it the intention of the government to arrange for such census?
3.	What is the object and scope of same?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Yes.
2.	Yes.
3.	The object and scope of this census are defined in sections 17 and 19 of the Statistics Act (8-9 Geo. V., c. 43). The schedules which will be employed were printed in a supplement to the Canada Gazette dated January 30, 1926.



SALES TAX AND CUSTOMS REBATES

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:: 1.	What rebates were given or credits allowed under the legislation of 1924 (a) in respect of sales tax receipts, (b) in respect of customs duties receipts?
2.	What rebates were given or credits allowed the Massey-Harris Company under the legislation of 1924, (a) in respect of sales tax receipts, (b) in respect of customs duties receipts ?
3. Are there any claims for rebates or credits under the said legislation as yet undisposed of: if so, what are they?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	This information can only be given in form of a return.
2.	It is contrary to practice to give information which would disclose details of the business of an individual concern.
3.	Same as No. 1.



CANADIAN SHELL COMMITTEE

Mr. ROSS (Moose Jaw):: 
Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1.	September 7, 1914..
2.	November 29, 1915.
3.	To act for War Office in procuring the production of shells in Canada.
4.	Col. A. Bertram, R.O., Chairman, Brig.-General T. Benson, Master General of the Ordnance, Hon. Colonel T. Cantley, Lt.-Col. C. Greville Harston, Chief Inspector of Arms and Ammunition, Hon. Col. G. W. Watts, Lt.-Col. F. D. Lafferty, R.C.A., Superintendent of Dominion Arsenal, E. Carnegie, Esq., J. W. Borden, Esq.-, Accountant & Paymaster-Go.'-era I, Hon. Col. D. Carnegie, Ordnance Advioer.
5 and 6. No information.
7.	(a), (c), (d). No information.
(b). No money was paid to the Department of National Defence.
8.	No information.



DRAWBACK CLAIMS

Mr. LAPIERRE:: 1.	When did the "equivalent order" of 1919 coma into effect, in regard to payment of drawback claims?
2.	What drawback claims were paid and to whom, on the strength of the above equivalent orders during the years of 1919 and 1920?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	June 6, 1919.
2.	It is contrary to practice to give information which would disclose details of the business of any individual concerns.



IMPORTATION OF SPIRITUOUS LIQUORS

Hon. Mr. MANION:: 1.	Regarding the importation of spirituous liquors into Canada, does the government of Canada insist upon these spirituous liquors being aged before importation?
2.	If so, what is the time of ageing?
3.	Was an order in council passed during the past year dealing with this matter?
4.	If so, will the government lay on the table of the House this order in council and all other correspondence in connection therewith between the government and the British Trade Commission or any other persona or organizations?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	Yes.
2.	Two years.
3.	Two orders in Council were passed. P.C. 1542 and 1734.
4.	Yes.



RIGAUD POSTMASTERSHIP

Mr. DOUCET:: 1.	Who has been appointed ipostmaster at Rigaud, Vaudrouil-Soulanges County, since the death of Miss Josephine Charlebois?
2.	By whom recommended?
3.	Is the government aware that the present postmistress, Mrs. Georges Seguin, is a married woman and under her husband's tutelage?
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4.	Have complaints been received by the department as to the manipulation of correspondence and the opening of letters before the delivery from the said post office of Rigaud?
5.	If so, what action has been taken by the PostOffice department and with what result?
6.	If complaints were well founded, is it the intention of the department to make a change in that appointment, and when?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Madame Georges Seguin (temporarily).
2.	Senator Boyer, J. R. Ouimet, ex-M.P.
3.	The department is aware that Madame Seguin is married.
4.	Yes.
5.	Incident investigated by post office inspector. Postmistress accepts official responsibility but denies personal culpability.
6.	Permanent appointment will be made by the Civil Service Commission, and if Madame Seguin is not the person appointed, office will be transferred to new appointee immediately after the commission's certificate is received.



BIC HARBOUR IMPROVEMENTS

Mr. DOUCET:: 1.	What sums of money were expended for repairs at FTc, R:niouski County, Quebec, during the years 1924 and 1925, for (a) repairs to old wharf; (b) dredging of the harbour; (c) removal of old wharf at Pte-a-Cote?
2.	What sums were paid for lumber for such repairs to Be wharf? .
3.	How was the lumber taken off from Pte-a-Cote wharf disposed of?
4.	To whom was it sold and at what price?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1. (a) 1924-$243 76	1925-$5,484 58
(b) 1924-nil	1925- 1,533 12
(c) 1924-nil	1925- 799 98
2.	$2,885.58.
3.	The district engineer reported that the timber taken from this wharf was rotten, in broken pieces and could be used only as firewood and therefore requested the foreman to ask for bids. The highest offer was accepted, it being required of the purchaser to clear the site where the timber was piled, and remove all refuse timber stranded on beach lots of summer residents, in the neighbourhood of the Pte-a-Cote wharf.
4.	(a) Ernest Thibault (b) $10.



SUBMARINES ON EAST COAST

Mr. BLACK (Halifax):: 1.	How many submarines are at present on the east coast of Canada?
2.	What are their numbers?
3.	Where are they?
4.	What is their condition?
5.	Are they in suitable condition for active or any service?
6.	What was the cost of maintaining them for the year ending March 31, 1925?
[Mr. DoucetJ


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1.	Two.
2.	C.H. 14 and C.H. 15.
3.	Halifax, N.S.
4.	Out of active commission.
5.	Yes. After refit.
6.	$944.08.



CANADIAN NAVAL OFFICERS ON IMPERIAL SHIPS

Mr. BLACK (Halifax):: 1.	How many Canadian naval officers are now serving on imperial ships?
2.	Who pays their salaries?	.
3.	How many are taking courses in England?
4.	Who pays their salaries?
5.	What is the annual cost to Canada of such officers?
6.	Are there any qualified officers available to take up appointments in ships of the Royal Canadian navy? If so, how many?
7.	What are they doing now?
8.	Are they on pay?


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD:: 1.	Twelve.
2.	The Canadian Government.
3.	Eleven.
4.	The Canadian Government.
5.	Under question 1-$33,525.25.
Under question 3-$26,225.25.
6 and 7. All officers of the Royal Canadian navy are qualified to take up appointments in their various ranks in ships of the Royal Canadian navy.
It is necessary, however, that a certain number of officers of the Royal Canadian navy should serve in ships and establishments of the Royal navy whilst attending specialist courses or courses for promotion, or whilst obtaining sea-going experience in various classes of warships.
The present allocation of the officers of the Royal Canadian navy is 43 officers serving in H.M.C. ships and establishments, and 23 serving in ships and establishments of the Royal navy.
8.	Yes.



VERNAL STATION, N.S., POSTMASTER

Mr. FOSTER:: 1.	Was Hugh Power, postmaster at Vernal Station, Nova Scotia, dismissed from the service? If so, what was the date of his dismissal?
2.	What, if any,* was the charge made against him and on whose recommendation was 'he dismissed?
3.	What salary does the postmaster receive?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes. 28th January, 1926.
2.	Charges of active political partisanship were made by the member of the constituency.
3.	S60.

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AFTON STATION POSTMASTER

Mr. FOSTER:: 1.	Was J. F. McKeough, postmaster at Afton Station, dismissed from the Service? If so, what was the date of his dismissal?
2.	What, if any, was the charge made against him, and on whose recommendation was he dismissed?
3.	What salary does the postmaster receive?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes. 28th January, 1926.
2.	Charges of active political partisanship were made by the member for the constituency.
3.	$63.



MARYVALE, N.S., POSTMASTER

Mr. FOSTER:: 1.	Was Allen MacDonald, postmaster of Maryvale, Nova Scotia, dismissed from the service? If so, what was the date of his dismissal?
2.	What, if any, was the charge made against him, and on whose recommendation was he dismissed?
3.	What salary does the postmaster receive?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes. 28th January, 1926.
2.	Charges of active political partisanship were made by the member for the constituency.
3.	$60.



LABELLE, QUEBEC, POSTMASTER

Mr. DOUCET:: 1. Was Mr. McGibbon dismissed from the postmastership of Labelle, Quebec?
2.	If so, when and for what cause or causes.
3.	Were complaints laid against him and when?
4.	Who has been appointed as successor and when?
5.	Was the appointment made by the Civil Service Commission ?
6.	Is the appointee a returned soldier?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes.
2.	21st August 1924. Absence without leave, irregularities in accounts and shortage in post office funds.
3.	No.
4.	Paul St. Jacques-10th March 1925.
5.	Yes.
6.	No.



BRITISH EMPIRE STEEL CORPORATION-COAL AND STEEL RODS

Mr. McLEAN:: 1. What was the total importation of steel into Canada by the British Empire Steel Corporation and its subsidiaries during the calendar year 1925?
2. What was the total importation of coal into Canada by the British Empire Steel Corporation and its subsidiaries during the calendar year 1925?
3.	What was the total importation of coal into Canada in vessels of the British Empire Steel Corporation, and (a) the vessels (b) firms to which the coal was consigned ?
4.	What was the total importation of steel rods from Germany by the British Empire Steel Corporation mentioned on page 1067 of unrevised Hansard?
5.	What amount of duty was collected on the steel rods mentioned in part 4 of this question?
6.	What is the amount of drawback claimed by the British Empire Steel Corporation on the steel rods mentioned in part 4 of this question?
7.	What will be the net amount added to the treasury of Canada as the result of the importation of the steel rods from Germany mentioned in part 4 of this question?
8.	What amount, if any, of the coal mentioned in parts 2 and 3, of this question have been sold to the government or or to individual firms as Canadian coal?


Georges Henri Boivin: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8. The information asked for is not on file and it is contrary to practice to give information which would disclose details of the business of an individual concern.
6.	The British Empire Steel Corporation has never claimed drawback on steel rods.



WELLAND CANAL

Mr. BELL (St. John):: What amount of money has already been expended on the Welland canal and what is the estimated amount required to complete this work?


James Alexander Robb: Total cost Welland ship canal to December 31, 1925, $60,573,573.83; estimated requirement to complete $55,000,-
000.


Mr. SENN:: 1.	How many sections is the Welland canal divided into for purposes o-f construction?
2.	How many sections are not completed?
3.	What will be the cost of finishing each section?
4.	What depth of water will be maintained in the new canal ?
5.	Has the lowering of the lake levels affected its capacity?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	Eight.	[DOT]
2.	Eight.
3.	At present stage of construction, it is not possible accurately to proportion among the various sections items _ of expenditure common to the canal as a whole, and no attempt has been made to estimate the cost of completing each section. The estimated cost of completing the whole canal is approximately $55,000,000.
4.	25 feet for the present.
5.	To date the level of Lake Erie, or or Lake Ontario, has not been low enough to affect the designed capacity of the canal.



GRAIN VIA CANADIAN WATER ROUTE

Mr. MacLAREN:: What is the cost of delivering grain from Fort William to Liverpool via all Canada water route?
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James Alexander Robb: The Dominion Bureau of Statistics records indicate as follows: Average lake freight rate on wheat Fort William to Montreal, October, 1925, 10.58 cents; November, 1925, 9.15 cents. Ruling rate Montreal to Liverpool, October, 1925, 8.25 eents to 10.50 cents; November, 1925, 9.75 cents to 12 cents. Total rate by water, Fort William to Liverpool, October, 1925, 18.83 to 21.08 cents per bushel. November, 1925, 18.90 to 21.15 cents per bushel, to which must be added terminal charges at Montreal, unloading lake boat, wharfage, brokerage, loading, stevedoring, etc., about 2.7 cents per bushel, making total charges 21.53 to 23.85 cents per bushel exclusive of insurance which is based on the value of the wheat.



ST. LAWRENCE WATERWAY

Mr. MacLAREN:: 1.	What amounts have been spent by the Dominion Government, since confederation on the deepening of the St. Lawrence waterway?
2.	What amounts have been spent in lighthouse services and maintenance on the St. Lawrence waterway snce confederation?
3.	What amounts have been spent on ocean terminals in the port of Montreal (a) by the Public Works department; (b) by the Montreal Harbour Commission?
4.	What amounts have been spent on ocean terminals in tlie port of Quebec (a) by the Dominion Government; (b) by the Quebec Harbour Commission?


Ernest Lapointe: Department of Marine and Fisheries
1.	So far as this department is concerned the amount spent on the river St. Lawrence Ship Channel between Montreal and Father Point; cost of dredging, plant, shops, surveys, etc., from confederation to end fiscal year March 31, 1925, $26,203,145.18.
2.	$27,179,049.02.
3.	(b) on harbour improvements and facilities $48,772,313.80 to November 30, 1925.
4.	(a) Amount voted under Public Works Department was transferred to Department of Marine and Fisheries and administered' by the latter, $493,332.93. ft>) on harbour improvements and facilities, $14,676,867.67 to December 31, 1925.
Department of Public Works
1.	River St. Lawrence-Improvement of Canadian channel between Kingston and Brockville-$146,735.11.
2.	No information.
3.	(a) $1,070,265.56. This does not include the floating dock at Montreal upon which an annual subsidy of 3J per cent for a period of 35 years on an amount of $3,000,000 is being paid since 1st January, 1914.

4.	(a) $4,856,516.86, exclusive of the graving docks upon which the following amounts have been spent:-
Total expenditure for "Lome" graving dock- Construction. Advances to Quebec Harbour Commissioners.! 875,000 00
By this department	
120,629	24Repairs	
5,086	44Maintenance	
634,827	78Total expenditure	$1,635,543	46Revenue	$770,907	88
Total expenditure for "Champlain" graving dock-
Construction	$4,180,268	68Maintenance	
229,017	25Total expenditure	$4,409,28594Revenue	$177,344 54
Department of Railways and Canals
1.	Amount spent by the Dominion government since confederation on the deepening of the St. Lawrence Waterways is $34,029333.92.
2,	3, & 4. No information.



SENIOR JUDGE, PRESCOTT AND RUSSELL- RESIDENCE

Mr. BARBER:: 1.	Where does the senior judge of the Bounties of Prescott and Russell (Ontario) reside?
2.	Does said judge reside in said counties as required . by statute?
3.	If not, why?
4.	What action does the government propose to take in the matter?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	So far as the government is informed, the judge resides at Vankleek Hill in the county of Prescott.
2,	3, 4. Answered by No. 1.



HIGH COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE-MR. J. REID HYDE

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:: 1.	For how many days in the fiscal year 1924-1925 was J. Reid Hyde employed in the High Commissioner s office at London?
2.	What was his remuneration per day?
3.	What service did he perform?


Ernest Lapointe: 

CLOVER SEEDS-IMPORTS

Mr. DOUCET:: 1.	Wliat was the total importation of clover seeds in (a) 1923; (b) 1924; and (c) 1925?
2.	Of that amount, how much originated from the countries of southern Europe?


William Richard Motherwell: Imports of Clover Seed Into Canada During the Fiscal Years Ended March 31, 1923, 1924 and 1925
Countries Whence Received	1923	1924	1925	Quantity	Value	Quantity	Value	Quantity	ValuePounds 335,363 120	s 87,260 13	Pounds 1,709,037	$ 324,738	Pounds 833,006	S 282,995
150 208,468 1,089 303 546,090	29,356 473 136 112,970		
					354,584 1,100	95,411 429
						
	425 1,912,102	227 372,139				
					1,478,549	329,013
						
	2,248,010	459,639	2,465,137	467,706	2,667,239	707,848



EGG GRADING AND IMPORTS

Mr. SUTHERLAND (South Oxford):: 1.	When did the egg grading regulations now in effect in Canada come into effect?
2.	What are "he different grades provided from the highest to the lowest?
3.	How many dozens were graded and classified under each grade in each year since the act came into effect?
4.	How many dozens were sold ungraded by the producers during the time mentioned in question 3?
5.	How many egg grading inspectors or graders were employed by the government during the time referred to?
6.	What Avas the total cost in salaries and expenses for the graders referred to, during each of the years mentioned ?
7.	Are eggs imported into Canada in the shell, or broken, graded by Canadian Government inspectors or graders ?
8.	How many dozens and quantities were imported into Capa da during the years mentioned, and from what countries were they imported?


Hon. Mr. MOTHERWELL:: 1. The regulations respecting export and interprovincial shipments of eggs came into effect on April 18, 1918. On October 7, 1922, 14011-98
the 'regulations with respect to import shipments came into effect. The regulations with respect to domestic trading came into effect on July 7, 1923 and were further amended on April 26, 1924.
2. The classes and grades of eggs as given in Clause 2 of the egg regulations of the Live Stock and Live Stock Products Act are:- Class (1) Fresh
Grade (a) Specials.
Grade (b) Extras Sub Grade (1) Pullet Extras.
Grade (c) Firsts.
Grade (d) Seconds.
Class (2) Storage.
Class (2a) Preserved.
Grade (a) Extras.
Grade (b) Firsts.
Grade (c) Seconds.
Class (c) Cracked and dirt}'.
3	and 4. The Department has no record of the number of eggs classified and graded into



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the different grades throughout Canada nor of the number of eggs sold ungraded by the producers; nor would it be possible to secure such information.
5.	Owing to the demand by the trade for departmental employees, there is a steady change in the personnel of the temporary staff. Among those listed as being in the service for a portion of the year some were on the staff the first part of the year and some during the latter part of the year.
1918-	Six inspectors from May 1 to December 31.
1919-	Six inspectors for the full year. Five inspectors for a portion of the year.
1920-	Ten inspectors for the full year. One inspector for a portion of the year.
1921-	Nine inspectors for the full year. Five inspectors for a portion of the year.
1922-	Sixteen inspectors for the full year, twelve permanent and four temporary. Five inspectors for a portion of the year, two permanent and three temporary.
1923-	Fifteen inspectors for the full year, thirteen permanent and two temporary. Eleven inspectors for a portion of the year, three permanent and eight temporary.
1924-	Twenty inspectors for the full year, sixteen permanent and four temporary. Eight inspectors for a portion of the year, one permanent and seven temporary.
1925-	Twenty-three inspectors for the full year, sixteen permanent and seven temporary. Thirteen inspectors for a portion of the year, one permanent and twelve temporary.
6.
Expenditure in connection with Egg Inspection and Grading by Fiscal Years
From From From From From From From From April 1
April
April
April
April
April
April
April
1918	to
1919	to
1920	to
1921	to
1922	to
1923	to
1924	to
1925	to
March 31, March 31, March 31, March 31, March 31, March 31, March 31 Feb. 28,
Salaries	Expenses	Sundries	Total	1919.	. $ 7,814	40	$ 6,368	68	$14,183	081920.	. 11,314	95	12,220	47	23,535	421921.	. 13,907	80	10,312	88	24,220	681922.	. 21,795	52	12,637	95	34,433	471923.	. 25.921	79	19,723	23	45,645	021924.	. 33,779	75	19,667	92	$ 445	81	53,893	481925.	. 42,193	86	18.121	51	2,592	21	62,907	581926.	. 50,558	49	25.105	99	3,509	70	79,174	187.	All shipments of eggs in the shell imported into Canada for domestic consumption, but not including eggs for incubation are subject to inspection by Canadian government inspectors. A representative sample is taken by the inspector and the grading determined from this sample is given in the Inspector's import certificate as the grading of the shipment. There are at present no regulations with respect to importations of broken eggs.8.	The regulations respecting import trading came into effect in October, 1922'. In the first two columns of the attached table are given the importations for the remainder of the fiscal year after the import regulations came into effect.
Imports for the fiscal years 1924 and 1925 are then given, followed by the imports during the elapsed ten months of the current fiscal year.
DOMINION BUREAU OF STATISTICS-EXTERNAL TRADE BRANCH Imports of eggs into Canada from October 1, 1922, to January 31, 1926
Countries Whence Received	October 1, 1922, to March 31, 1923	Fiscal year ended March 31, 1924	Fiscal year ended March 31, 1925	April 1, 1923 to January 31, 1926	Quantity	Value	Quantity	Value	Quantity	Value	Quantity	ValueEggs in the shell:- From United Kingdom	
Hong Kong	
Newfoundland	Dozen 61 26,930	S 31 5,968	Dozen 250 55,559	S 686 12,679	Dozen 10 51,343	$ 52 12,872	Dozen 42,419 2 1,741 11,430 211,036 1,764	$ 11,529 1 392 5,829 86,329 851China	
Japan	125	21	1,150	174	77,908	15,243	United States	7,333,141	2,262,793	6,454,313 1,540	1,961,477 691	2,564,551 1,235	917,100 552	Total	
Eggs, N.O.P.- From United Kingdom	
Hong Kong	
China	
United States	
Total	7,360,257	2,268,813	6,512,812	1,975,707	2,695,047	945,819	268,392	104,931Pounds $ Pounds Prior to the Fiscal Year, 1925, such imports were included with "Unenumerated" animal products.	Pounds 198,011 300 560,257 413,383	S 35,201 5 89,545 90,729	Pounds 109,964 1,016,408 54,707	*S 17,047 179,515 15,9401,171,951	215,480	1,181,070	212,502
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DORCHESTER PENITENTIARY INQUIRY	2. Amount reported by banks, under section


Mr. DOUCET:: 59 of Quebec Savings Bank Act, $237,289.73.
1.	Was an inquiry held in connection with one Kane, ex-officer of the Dorchester penitentiary, in New Brunswick? If so, who conducted the inquiry?
2.	Was the government represented by counsel? If so, by whom?
3.	What were the disbursements, (a) for investigator;
(b)	counsel; (c) other expenses?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 1.	Yes, Mr. James McQueen, Barrister, of
Shediac.
2.	Yes, Hon. I. C. Rand, A.B., L.L.B., of Moncton.
3.	(a) $1,154.90.
(b)	1.470.00.
(c)	3,100.35.



UNCLAIMED BANK BALANCES

Mr. SPENCER:: 1.	What was the amount of unclaimed balances in the Canadian chartered banks as on December 31, 1925?
2.	What was the amount of unclaimed balances in the Quebec savings banks as on December 31, 1925?



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-EARNINGS, ETC.

Hon. Mr. EDWARDS (Frontenac):: 1.	What is the mileage of (a) Canadian National Railways, and (b) Canadian Pacific Railway?
2.	W'hat were the (a) gross earnings; (b) operating costs; (c) net earnings, of the Canadian National Railways and the Canadian Pacific Railway in each of the years 1921 to 1925, inclusive?
3.	What were the number of employees on (a) Canadian National Railways, and (b) Canadian Pacific Railway, in each of the years 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?
4.	-What were all the rail rates per bushel on wheat from central Saskatchewan to Quebec in 1913, 1916, 1918, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?
5.	What were the rates from central Saskatchewan to Fort William in the years mentioned in question No. 4?
6.	What were the water rates in the same years from Fort William to Montreal?


Ernest Lapointe: 


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1. Amount reported 'by banks, under section
1. Mileage operated:
(a) Canadian National..
Dec. 31, 1925 22,197 13,761
114 of the Bank Act, $2,396,063.51.	(b) Canadian	Pacific	2. Canadian National Railways- Canadian Lines (a) Gross Earnings:	U.S. Lines	Total1921	201,204,669	27.448.591	227,653,2601922	203.062,345	30,996,680	234,059,0251923	214,787,207	38.348,281	253,135,4881924	201,224,493	24,363,689	235.588,1S21925	
(b) Operating Costs:	208,218,921	36,752,2S2	244,971,2031921	211,531,034	28.665,804	240,196,8381922	205,572,978	25,599,335	231,172,3131923	202,936,659	29,768,180	232,704,8391924	189,460,404	28,883.527	218,343,9311925	
(c) Net Earnings:	184,373,202	28,333,586	212,706,7881921	Dr. 10,326,365	Dr. 1217.213	Dr.	11,543,5781922	Dr. 2.510,633	5,397,345	Cr.	2,886,7121923	11,850,548	8,580,101	Cr.	20,430,6491924	11.764,089	5,480,162	Cr.	17.244,2511925	
Canadian Pacific Railway- (a) Gross Earnings:	23,845,719	8,418,696	Cr.	32,264,4151921	1922	1923	1924	1925	
(b) Operating Costs:
1921		
1922		
1923		
1924		
1925		
193,178,866
185,188,951
192,827,930
180,796,044
182,610,792
155,855,419
147355,641
155,040,207
143,258,644
140,663,059
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(c) Net Earnings:
1921		     37,323,449
1922		     37,933,310
1923		     37,787,723
1924		     37,537,400
1925		      41.947,733
3.	Number of Employees-
Canadian Canadian
2. The new spur pier, which is to be 665 feet long, has not yet been completed, but all
National	Pacific	the cribs are in place.1921	.... 88,710	62,861	3. Approximately $18,000.1922	.... 86,524	63,429	1923	.... 94,107	66,842	ST. BONIFACE POST OFFICE1924	.... 87,601	66,080	Mr. DOUCET:1925	.... 86,041	56,816	1. Are the post offices in the city of St.
4 From Saskatoon to Quebec:
Cents per 100 lbs.
1913	 47c.
1916	 42c.
1918	 58c.
1920		 80c.
1921		 73c.
1922		 58.5
1923		 58.5
1924		 58.5
1925		 58.5
5.	Rail rates on wheat from Saskatoon, Sask. to Fort William and Port Arthur:
Cents per 100 lbs.
1913	 22c.
1916	 22
1918	 28
1920		 38
1921		 36.5
1922		 24
1923		 24
1924		 24
1925		 24
Manitoba, sub-stations of the Winnipeg post office?
2.	If so, why did the St. Boniface post office lose its autonomy ?
3.	Is the Post Office Department aware that a letter mailed in one of the St. Boniface mail boxes has, under the present arrangement, to go to Winnipeg and be sent back to St. Boniface for distribution?
4.	Are the mail carriers in the city of St. Boniface under the authorities of the postmasters of Norwood Grove and St. Boniface, according to the ground which they cover, or do they receive their instructions from the Winnipeg postmaster, or any other official in the Winnipeg post office?
5.	If the St. Boniface post offices are not now substations of Winnipeg post office, is it the intention of the Post Office Department to place them under the authority of the Winnipeg post office?
6.	Is it the intention of the government to appoint a man able to speak English and French to the vacant position of postmaster in the St. Boniface post office?
7. Has any member of the government or the department received any communication or communications from L'Association d'Education des Canadiens-Fran^ais du Manitoba, or from the Winnipeg postmaster or any other persons concerning all or some of the foregoing matters?
8.	If so, will the government give the names of the parties between which correspondence has been exchanged?


Hon. Mr. LAPOINTE:: 6. Water rates on	wheat from Fort Filliam
to Montreal:	Cents per Bu.
1913		
1916			 7.6
1918			 11.4
1920			 11.6
1921			 10.9
1922			 10.6
1923			 10.9
1924			 8.99
1925			 9.03



PORT MAITLAND PIER

Mr. SENN:: 1.	How much money has been spent in the erection of the east pier under construction at Port Maitland?
2.	What length of pier is yet to be constructed?
3.	What will be the cost of completing this work?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1. $178,185.94 .paid to March 1, 1926, for the repairs to the east pier, under execution by contract.
1.	No.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	Yes.
4.	The city of St. Boniface is not large enough for self contained letter carrier delivery service, and has been given the privilege of this service only because it is attached to the Winnipeg organization from a letter carrier delivery point of view. This arrangement gives St. Boniface the advantage of the 2c. postal rate within the whole of the Winnipeg postal area. Otherwise the 3c. rate would apply from St. Boniface to Winnipeg and vice versa.
5.	See No. 1. In view of representations made to retain St. Boniface on its present basis it is not the intention of the department to interfere with its present status, thus permitting retention of 2 cent rate mentioned in
>
No. 4.
6.	It is the intention of the department to recommend to the Civil Service Commission that the man appointed to the postmastership

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at St. Boniface shall be conversant with both the English and the French languages.
7.	Yes.
8.	Yes.



PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT-PURCHASE OF DESKS AND TABLES

Mr. MacDOUGALL:: 1.	Has the Department of Public Works purchased a quantity of desks and tables?
2.	Were tenders asked for?
3.	If so, how many tenders were received, and what were the names and amounts in each case?
4.	To whom were the contracts given and at what price in each case?


Hon. Mr. KING (Kootenay):: 1.	Yes, in February, 1926.
2.	Yes.
3.	Desks, seven tenders as follows: Ottawa Typewriter Co. Ltd., Ottawa, $31.75 each, f.o.b. Ottawa, R. A. Sproule & Son, Ottawa, $31.95 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Office Specialty Mfg. Co. Ltd., Ottawa, $33.20 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Globe-Wernicke, Ltd., Stratford, $33.90 each, f.o.b. Stratford; Canada Furniture Mfg. Co. Ltd., Woodstock, $35.90 each f.o.b. Ottawa; Interior Hardwood Co. Ltd., Kitchener, $37.00 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Snyders Limited, Waterloo, $37.00 each f.o.b. Ottawa.
Tables, 60-inch seven tenders as follows: R. A. Sproule & Son, Ottawa, $9.95 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Ottawa Typewriter Co. Ltd, $10.15 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; T. Eaton Co. Ltd., Toronto, $11.00 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Snyders Limited, Waterloo, $12.50 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Office Specialty Mfg. Co. Ltd., Ottawa, $13.00 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Strathroy Furniture Co. Ltd., Strathroy, $15.00 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Interior Hardwood Co. Ltd., Kitchener, $15.50 each, f.o.b. Ottawa.
Tables, 4.8-inch, seven tenders as follows: Ottawa Typewriter Co. Ltd., Ottawa, $8.10 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; R. A. Sproule & Son, Ottawa, $8.25 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; T. Eaton Co. Ltd., Toronto, $9.00 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Snyders Limited, Waterloo, $11.50 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Interior Hardwood Co. Ltd,, Kitchener, $12.00 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Office Specialty Mfg. Co. Ltd., Ottawa; $12.00 f.o.b. Ottawa; Strathroy Furniture Co. Ltd., Strathroy, $12.50 each, f.oib. Ottawa.
4.	Desks, Ottawa Typewriter Co. Ltd., $31.75 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Table, 60-inch., R. A. Sproule & Son, $9.95 each, f.o.b. Ottawa; Tables, 48-inch, Ottawa Typewriter Co. Ltd., $S.10 each, f.o.b. Ottawa.



STEAM FERRY BETWEEN CHATHAM AND DOUGLASTOWN

Mr. FISH:: 1.	Has any one applied for a subsidy for a new steam ferry plying across the Miramicshi river between Chatham and Douglastown?
2.	If so, has such an application been granted?
3.	What amount of subsidy has been promised?
4.	Has application been made to any department of the government for approval of the said ferry boat under any existing legislation?
lion. Mr. LAPOINTE:
1. No.
Nos. 2, 3 and 4 answered by No. 1.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-TIES

Mr. DONNELLY:: 1.	W'as there a contract for the supply of railway ties between Hon. J. K. Fleming and the Canadian National Railways during the years 1923, 1924 and 1925?
2.	Is there a similar contract between these parties for the year 1926?
3.	WThat are the amounts of such contracts (a) in number of ties; (b) price?


Hon. Mr. ROBB:: 1.	1923. No. In 1924 and 1925 contracts, were entered into with Messrs. Fleming Gibson Limited, of Juniper, N.B.
2.	Yes.	1
3.	(a) 1924-150.000 ties.
1925- 125,000 ties.	'
1926-	75,000 ties.
(b) Not in public interest to give information of this character.



AUSTRALIAN TREATY

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):: 1.	Is it the intention of the government to apply the provisions of the customs tariff with respect to dumping, to imports of butter and other agricultural products coming into Canada under the provisions of the Australian treaty, and in respect of which a bonus or bounty or other contribution is made in Australia and New Zealand?
2.	If so, how will such provisions be made applicable?
3.	By -what amount will the duty of one per cent per pound on butter be increased by the application of such dumping duty?
4.	By what amount will the duty on other agricultural products from Australia and New Zealand be increased by the application of such dumping duty?


Hon. Mr. BOIVIN:: 1.	They will be applied if the selling price in Canada is more than 5% less than the fair market value for home consumption of the same products.
2.	As provided by law and regulations.
3.	By the difference dn -the selling price in Canada and the fair market value as sold for home consumption, providing it does not exceed 15% of the established fair market value.
4.	Answered by No. 3.
ROYAIi CANADIAN AIR FORCE-MANITOBA


Mr. SIMPSON:: 1.	How many hours of flying by the Royal Canadian Air Force in the province of Manitoba, were required
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to fulfil the requirements of the department in charge of forestry work, in connection with detection, suppression, sketching and photography, in 1925?
2.	What was the operating cost per flying hour of this operation?
3.	What was the total cost per flying hour for this operation, including overhead charges?
4.	What was the total cost of the flying done in the province of Manitoba?
5.	How many machines were required to do the flying for this operation, and of what types?
6.	How many hours of flying, in the province cf British Columbia, in connection with the civil operations, were .performed by the Royal Canadian Air Force?
7.	How many hours of flying, in connection with forestry work, including fire patrol, were done in the province of British Columbia in 1925, and what was
(a)	the operating cost per flying hour; Ob) the total cost per flying hour, including the overhead; (c) the total cost of flying, including the overhead, for the province of British Columbia?
8.	What was the cost of flying operations, purpose of flights, photographic operations, in western Ontario during the season of 1925?
9.	What was the total number of hours which may be applied to the civil operations of the Royal Canadian Air Force as performed in the Dominion of Canada, and what was the cost per operating hour and the total cost per flying hour, including overhead?


Hon. Mr. MACDONALD (Antigonish-Guysborough):: 1.	Total flying time for Forestry branch in the Manitoba area in 1925 was 861 hours 25 minutes.
2,	3, 4. The total cost including capital charges for new aircraft, etc. of maintaining R.C.A.F. units in Manitoba for the financial year 1925-26 up to January 31, was $324,52846. ^The flying time for the same period was 1,485 hours 30 minutes. On this basis, the nost per flying hour was $218.46.
. There were employed on civil operations in Manitoba, 9 Avro seaplanes and 7 Vickers 'Viking amphibians.
6.	353 hours 27 minutes.
7.	Total hours flying (forestry work)-11 hours 55 minutes. Operating cost per hour:
Total cost of maintaining R.C.A.F. unit at Vancouver for the financial year 1925-26 up to January 31, was $98,554.70. Total flying time for the unit was 529 hours 52 minutes. On this basis the cost per flying hour was $185.95.
8.	222 hours flying was done in western Ontario and eastern Manitoba in connection with the mapping programme of the Topographical Survey of Canada in conjunction with the forestry work in the province of Manitoba. During this period, approximately 20,000 square miles were photographed. It. is difficult to state exactly the flying time on either side of the boundary but the area photographed in western Ontario was 14,125

square miles. The cost of these operations is shown above (see answers to 2, 3 and 4).
9.	Out of a total flying time of 4,922 houra for all services, civil operations for other government departments required 3,319 hours 31 minutes. The expenditure on air services in Canada for the financial year 1925-26, up to January 31, was $1,627,735.63. As the civil operations were carried out as part of the R.C.A.F. training, it is not possible to state how much of this amount was devoted to civil operations and how much to military training.



POTATO COMBINE IN NEW BRUNSWICK

Mr. ROBICHAUD:: * In connection with the investigation under the Combines Investigation Act into the combine limiting competition, in the marketing of potatoes in New Brunswick, what action has been taken as a result of the finding of the registrar that the combine of shippers was operating to the detriment of the producers?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The report, as provided for by the act, has been widely distributed, particularly in the Maritime provinces, and has received extensive publicity.
The Combines Investigation Act provides for the remission of such reports, together with the evidence and other returns in connection with the inquiry, to the attorney general of the province concerned, "for such action as such attorney general may be pleased to institute because of the conditions appearing''. Reference of the case was accordingly made, on June 11, 1925, to the then attorney general of the province of New Brunswick; and, later, on September 15, 1925, to the present attorney general, immediately following the assumption of office of the present provincial administration.



MANUFACTURE OF PAPER IN AUSTRALIA

Mr. ANDERSON (Halton):: 1.	Has the government of Australia given a bonus on paper manufactured in that country?
2.	If so, how much was granted per ton?
3.	When did such bonus order come into effect?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: This question asks for information that, I think, is as open to the hon. member himself as it is to the government. I think questions of this character can hardly be answerable by the ministry.



QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS


Mr. CARMICHAEL:: 1.	What are the out-turns of overages in weights and grades for the year 1924-25 for the Reliance Terminal Elevator Company at Fort William?

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2.	What are the out-turns of overages in weights and grades for the year 1924-25 for the Northland Terminal Elevator Company at Fort William?
3.	What are the out-turns of overages in weights and grades for the year 1924-25 for the government Elevator at Fort William?
4.	What are the out-turns of overages in weights and
grades for the year 1924-25 for the government elevator at Saskatoon?	.
5.	What are the out-turns of overages in weights and grades for the year 1924-25 for the government elevator at Vancouver, British Columbia?


James Alexander Robb: I now table the return.


EQUALIZATION OP FREIGHT RATES EAST AND WEST
Henry Herbert Stevens: Having reference to Order in Council P.C. No. 880, dated June 5, 1925, instructing the Board of Railway Commissioners to consider the problem of equalization of freight rates east and west.
1.	What steps have been taken to give effect to this Order in Council?
2.	Have any public hearings been held by the Board of Railway Commissioners?
3.	If so, where and on what dates?
4.	When may a decision be expected, and what steps have the government taken to expedite the hearing of the case and the reaching of a decision?


James Alexander Robb: I now table the return. MULTIGRAPH MACHINES IN DEPARTMENTS Mr. HOCKEN:
1.	What is the total number of multigraph machines operated by the various departments?
2.	What is the total number in each department?
3.	What is the total number of impressions made by these machines, by departments?
4.	What is the cost of operation of these machines?
5.	Are these machines under the jurisdiction of the Department of Public Printing and Stationery, and subject to the censorship of the editorial committee?
6.	Are multigraph operators classified as such and appointments made by the Civil Service Commission?
7.	What is there classification and salary?
8.	What departments, other than the Department of Public Printing and Stationery, if any, operate printing machinery?
9.	For what purpose is said machinery used?
lion. Mr. LAPOINTE: I now table the return.
# DOMINION NOTE ISSUE


Mr. SPENCER:: 1.	What was the amount of Dominion notes advanced under the Finance Act, 1914 (with amendments) and outstanding at the end of March, June, September and December of each year from 1914 until the present time?
2.	What were the amounts of securities accepted as a basis for the foregoing issues of Dominion notes, given for the same periods?
3.	What were the different classes of securities and the various amounts of each accepted for rediscounting for the same periods?


James Alexander Robb: Tabled forthwith.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-NEW YORK OFFICES

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Mr. DOUCETr
Have the government or the National Railways an office, or offices, in the city of New York for the sale
of tickets or for any other purpose? If so, where located, and what is the annual cost, including rent, taxes, insurance, salaries, etc., in connection therewith?

Mr. McQUARRIE:: 1.	How many eggs were exported to the United States of America, Australia and China respectively, during 1924?
2.	How many eggs were imported from the United States of America, Australia and China respectively, during 1924?
3.	How many eggs were exported to the United Slates of America, Australia and China respectively, during 1925?
4.	How many eggs were imported from the United States of America, Australia and China respectively, during 1925?
5.	What were the exports and imports of eggs to and from the said several countries respectively during December 1925 ?
6.	What are the tariff duties of Canada, United States of America, Australia and China respectively, on eggs?


James Alexander Robb: Tabled forthwith.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-CAPITAL EXPENDITURE

Mr. NICHOLSON:: 1.	What has been the capital expenditure on each of the following parts of the Canadian National Railways during the years 1922, 1923. 1924 and 1925:-
(a) On that part formerly known as the Intercolonial Railway of Canada;
(b)	On that part formerly known as the National Transcontinental Railway;
(c)	On that part formerly known as the Grand Trunk Railway of Canada;
(d)	On .that part of the Grand Trunk Railway of Canada within United States territory;
(e)	On that part formerly known as the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway;
(f)	On that part formerly known as the Canadian Northern Railway including branches and subsidiaries in each case?
2.	What has been the capital expenditure on the Canadian National Railways during the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925 for-
(a) Permanent improvement to roadbed in replacement of temporary bridges or culverts with concrete, stone or steel;
Ob) Ballasting and widening of permanent way, including fills made in replacing temporary bridges or trestles;
(c)	Replacement of light by heavy rail, specifying the manner in which the charge against capital was made;
(d)	Terminal facilities including, additional trackage, rundhouses, coal chutes, machine shops, station buildings, and freight sheds;
(e)	Passing tracks, trackmen's houses, main line water tanks and services;
(f)	Branch lines with mileage and location;
(g)	Rolling stock, including locomotives, main line and switching, freight cars of all descriptions, ballast and service cars, snow plows, conductors' vans, passenger coaches, first and second class, tourist, dining, sleeping and parlor cars;
(h)	Office buildings wherever located?


James Alexander Robb: Tabled forthwith.

Questions as Orders for Returns



IMMIGRATION OFFICES IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES

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Mr. MeGIBBON:
1.	What immigration offices has the Canadian government in the following countries and where are they situated: United States; Great Britain; Denmark; Norway and Sweden, and Italy?
2.	Have any been closed during the years 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925?
3.	If so, what ones?
4.	What has been the cost of each office?
5.	How many immigrants during the same years have come to Canada from each office ?

Mr. FOSTER:: 1.	How many immigration offices are maintained by the government in the United States?
2.	What was the gross cost of each office for the year 1925?
3.	What amount was spent by each office on fairs and exhibitions?
4.	What is the total number of settlers secured by each office for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1925?
5.	What is the cost per head of each settler from each office territory?



IMMIGRATION POLICY

Mr. CLARK:: 1.	On what date was the "comprehensive immigration plan" referred to in the Speech from the Throne put into operation ?
2.	How many settlers have been brought into Canada monthly thereunder, giving country of birth, and province of destination?



DEBT AND TAXATION

Mr. TUMMON:: 1.	What was the total net debt of the Dominion of Canada at the end of the fiscal year 1914?
2.	What was the total net debt of the Dominion of Canada at the end of the fiscal year 1925?
3.	What is the amount of the present debt of Canada that can be said to be attributable to the war?
4.	What were the total amounts collected through each of the following, for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1925: (a) income tax; (b) sales fax; (c) corporation and company tax; (d) cables and telegraphs tax; (e) tax on railways and boat tickets; (f) tax on cheques, drafts, stocks transfers, bills, notes, receipts, etc.?



SALES TAX

Mr. RYCKMAN:: How many persons, firms and companies are in arrears in payment of the sales tax, and what is the amount of the arrears?



SEIZURES BY CUSTOMS OFFICERS

Mr. BARBER:: 1.	How many trucks and automobiles have been seized by officers of Customs and Excise, or other officers of the federal government at the ports of Huntingdon and Abbotsford, British Columbia, during the years 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925?
2.	How were these cars disposed of?
3.	What amount was realized in each case?
4.	What was name realized making seizure?
5.	What amount wint to officer, in each case, making seizure?
6.	What name appears as informant on seizure reports, in each case?

7.	"What amount went to informant in each case?
8.	What amount went to the department in each case?



COAL IMPORTS

Mr. MacDONALD (Cape Breton South):: 1.	What quantity of coal was imported into Canada during each of the calendar years 1921,-1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925 from the United States for the Canadian National Railways (a) exclusive of lines formerly known as the Grand Trunk Railway Company, and (b) including the said Grand Trunk Railway Company, and what quantity outside of the United States, and what quantity through Canadian ports and what quantity through United States ports?
2.	Wrhat was the cost per ton of the said coal at the border?
3.	What amount was paid for such coal (a) exclusive of that used by the lines formerly known as the Grand Trunk Railway Company, and (b) including the said Grand Trunk Railway Company?



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND BRANCHES

Mr. MACDONALD (Kings):: 1.	What was the total amount of money received on account of freights, passenger traffic, mail and express carriage, and from all other sources within the province representing the internal business of the Prince Edward Island branches of the Canadian National Railways during the year ending December 31, 1925?
2.	What was the total amount of money received in the several offices of the Canadian National Railways within the province of Prince Edward Island for all freight, passenger and other traffic from the mainland to points within the island for the year ending December 31, 1925?
3.	What was the total tonnage of express, mail and other freights carried by the car ferry from the province outward to the mainland, and what was the total sum of money received therefor, during the year 1925?
4.	What was the number of passagers travelling outward from the province of Prince Edward Island, including auto cars and special baggage or appliance, via the Canadian Northern Railways during the year 1925, and what were the total cash receipts from this traffic?
5.	What was the total net cost of operating the car ferry Prince Edward, for the year 1925, and what proportion of said cost has been charged up to the Prince Edward Island branch of the government railway system ?
6.	What was the gross cost, per mile, of operating the Canadian National Railways, and, what the like cost of operating the Prince Edward Island branches of the railway system, per mile, for the year 1925?



CANAL SYSTEMS-REVENUES AND MAINTENANCE

Mr. MacLAREN:: 1.	What revenues have been derived from the canal systems of Canada since confederation giving the individual earnings of each canal?
2.	What has been the outlay for maintenance in each year since confederation on each canal system?



HEALTH OF ANIMALS BRANCH

Mr. SUTHERLAND (South Oxford):: 1. IVhat amount has been paid, out under the heads of salaries bonuses and expenses to officials of the Department of Agriculture in each province, from the vote in the Estimates entitled, Health of Animals, for the years ending March 31, 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?

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2.	What is the total sum paid under these heads in each year mentioned?
3.	What amount was paid out in compensation for animals slaughtered in each province during the years mentioned in question one for cattle, horses, sheep and hogs?
4.	What amount was paid out of the vote entitled live stock, in salaries, bonuses and expenses of the officials of the Department of Agriculture, in each province, in each of the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?



REVENUE FROM PROVINCES .

Mr. CHURCH:: 1.	What is the total revenue of the government from all sources for the last year of record?
2.	What portion of this cash revenue is contributed by each one of the nine provinces, and what are the respective amounts from each province?



CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MERCHANT MARINE -COST AND SALES

Hon. Mr. EDWARDS (Frontenac):: 1.	How many vessels still comprise what is known as the Canadian Government Merchant Marine and what is the name and tonnage of each?
2.	When and where were the vessels of the Canadian Government Merchant Marine constructed and at what cost?
3.	What are the names and tonnage of the government merchant marine vessels disposed of and were they sold by tender or private sale, and to whom, at what price and on what terms of payment?
4.	What was the cost of each of the vessels referred to in question No. 3?
5.	What has been the annual revenue from and the annual cost of maintenance of each of the vessels of the Canadian Government Merchant Marine since construction to the end of the year 1925 or disposal of
vessels ?



SOLDIER SETTLEMENT LANDS

Mr. WARD:: 1.	What is the total amount of arrears on soldier settlement operations to December 31, 1925?
2.	How many of the abandoned farms have been resold?
3.	What was the total charges against these lands, including all costs?
4.	What was the sale price by the board, when resold ?
5.	What was the sale price to the original settler, how many of these were crown lands, how many loans, and how many purchases?
6.	What is the number of farms still unsold and the total charges outstanding against them, how many are crown lands, how many loans and how many purchases?
7.	What number of abandoned farms were rented during the past year, what was the total charges against them, what was the net return received by the board as rent, and what per cent rate does this show on the board's total investment therein?
8.	How many soldier settlers are in arrears in whole or part as of 31st of December, 1925, and how many of these are married?
9.	How many have abandoned their holdings as of December 31, 1925, and how many abandoned their farms during the calendar years 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925?
10.	How many of those in arrears are settlers on homesteads or soldier grants, and what is the arrears?
11.	How many of those in arrears are settlers on land owned by themselves on which the board made loans for development work, and what is the arrears?
12.	How many of those in arrears are settlers on land purchased for them by the board and what is the arrears?
13.	How many of those farms abandoned were homesteads or soldier grants and what is the total charges against them?
14.	How many of those abandoned are lands owned by the settler and mortgaged to the board, and what is the total charges against them?
15.	How many of those abandoned are lands purchased by the board for settlers and what is the total charges against them?
16.	How many of those paid in full are settlers on homesteads or soldier grants and what is the amount paid by them?
17.	How many of those paid in full are on lands privately owned and mortgaged to the board and what is the amount paid by them?
18.	How many of those paid in full are on lands purchased by the board for settlers and what is the amount paid by them?
19.	How many abandoned farms have been disposed of to British settlers under the land settlement scheme, what was the price paid by these settlers, what was the original sale price paid by these settlers, what was the original sale price of these lands to the soldier settlers, what was the total liability of the board in these lands at the time of sale to British settlers?



PRINCE RUPERT ELEVATOR

Mr. ESLING:: 1.	Has the Prince Rupert elevator been completed?
2.	If so, when?
3.	What is the total cost?
4.	Is the elevator now being operated?
5.	How many bushels of grain have been received at this elevator?
6.	How many bushels of grain have been shipped out of the said elevator?
7.	What are the charges, in detail, connected W'lth the handling of grain in said elevator?
8.	How many persons are employed in said elevator?
9.	What are the names, salaries and duties of such employees, respectively?
10.	Who recomended the said employees, respectively, for appointment?


James Alexander Robb: I now table the return. UNOPPOSED MOTIONS FOR PAPERS



REPORT OF R. P. CLERK

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of the report of R. P. Clerk, inspector of customs at Montreal, dated May 7, 1925, together with all charges, reports of dereliction of duty on the part of customs officials, and correspondence having reference thereto.



BARGE TREMBLAY

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all officials records, documents, letters, telegrams, tenders and other correspondence in connection with ithe sale of 16,000 gallons (more or less) of alcohol, seized on board the barge "Tremblay" during 1025, including copies of warehouse receipts, if any, and information showing by whose order the said alcohol was sold and delivered to purchasers. Also a statement showing what goods were seized from said barge and the value, disposition and terms of disposition of same, with dates in all instances.



JOHN W. GAUNT AND COMPANY, MONTREAL

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a return showing all records, documents and correspondence in connection with the seizure of goods in .the name of John IV. Gaunt & Company of

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Montreal, including all details of the settlement effected, including copies of certified invoices from Holland and affidavits that Holland was the origin of the said invoices. Also copy of the report of the expert accountants who investigated the case, computing or setting forth the amount of the underpaid duties. Also all correspondence with the Hon. J. A. P. Cardin or memoranda made by, for or given to him in connection with the settlement effected in this case.
J. A. DoCONDU-correspondence


Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all correspondence received by the Minister of Customs, Minister of Justice or any deputy minister or official of the Departments of Customs or Justice from J. A. DuCondu in reference to irregularities in the administration of customs at the port of Montreal, and of replies thereto.



SOLDIER SETTLEMENT BOARD-GEORGE E DAVIS CASE

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all documents, assignments, leases, records, letters, telegrams, quit claim deeds and other correspondence in connection with the case of Mrs. Davis, widow of the late George E. Davis of Huntingdon, British Columbia, a soldier settler under the Soldier Settlement Board.



CANADIAN COASTAL REGULATIONS

Mr. BOYS (For Mr. Hocken) :: For a copy of all applications made to the Dominion government or any department thereof since January 1, 1912, asking for a suspension of the Canadian coasting regulations on the Great Lakes, and for a copy of all correspondence between any member of the government or any of its officials, and any other person, in reference to the same matter.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-TORONTO BUILDING

William Alves Boys: For a copy of all agreements, orders in council, correspondence, telegrams, contracts and other documents between the government or the Canadian National Railways and any other person or persons or firms or corporations regarding the sale of lands and erection of a skyscraper on the northwest comer of King and Yonge streets, Toronto.



MR. LOUIS GAUTHIER

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a copy of all correspondence passing between the Post Office Department or others with reference .to the resignation of Mr. Louis Gauthier, postmaster at Miscou Centre, county of Gloucester, New Brunswick.



UNEMPLOYMENT RELIEF TO PENSIONERS

Mr. KENNEDY (Winnipeg South Centre):: For a copy of all orders in council, regulations, letters, telegrams, or other communications relating in any way to the discontinuance by the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-cstablishment of unemployment relief to pensioners of the Great War who are classed as cf less than 20 per cent pensionable disability.



APPOINTMENTS TO AUDITOR GENERAL'S OFFICE

Henry Lumley Drayton: For a return showing what appointments, if any, have been made by authority of the vote to the 
Auditor General's Office under contingencies, set out at page 71 of the estimates for the year ending March 31, 1926, reading as follows,-
"Extra help including expert assistance in connection with reorganization and systematization of the office of the Auditor General. Appointments for this purpose and increases of salary to be made without reference to and notwithstanding the provisions of the Civil Service Act, $10,000."



SMELT FISHING IN BUCTOUCHE BAY, N.B.

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, petitions, etc., and other documents between the Department of Marine and Fisheries, the Inspector of Fisheries, and other individuals in connection with the fishing of smelt by the means of boxnets in the waters of Buctouche Bay, N.B.



CUSTOMS INSPECTOR MUNN'S REPORT

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all reports made by Customs Inspector Munn of the British Columbia Inspection Division regarding A. C. Salt and W. L. Blatchford, Customs Officers at Huntingdon, British Columbia, and Abbotsford, British Columbia, including an affidavit made by H. J. Harding, the Chief of Police of the Municipality of Chilliwack, British Columbia, setting forth the details of a cheque for $100 given by said Blatchford to the said Harding, also to the sum of $201.25 in cash handed to him by the said Blatchford; together with copy of the receipt dated December 14, 1921, given by the said Harding to said Customs Officer Blatchford.



CUSTOMS ADMINISTRATION IN BRITISH COLUMBIA

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all letters, telegrams, affidavits, reports and all other documents passing between W. J. Fraser, Huntingdon, British Columbia, and the Right Hon. W. L. Mackenzie King, and or the Chairman of the Board of Audit, and or the Hon. Jacques Bureau, and or any officer of the crown in the Department of Customs, the Department of Justice or the Department of Finance, regarding the administration of Customs at the Ports of Huntingdon and Abbotsford, British Columbia.



EXEMPTIONS FROM CIVIL SERVICE ACT

Edward Joseph Garland: For a return showing a record of the total number of persons employed by each Department of the gov-ernnment service who were exempt from the operation of the Civil Service Act ait the close of the twelve months ending March 31, 1925, either in whole or in part, wij?h time of exemption and under the various authorites, such as:
(1)	By statute,
(2)	By Appropriation Act with year and number of vote,
(3)	By order in council,
(4)	Section 38 or 38 (b) Civil Service Act,
(5)	Any other authority.



GOVERNMENT GRANTS TO RAILWAYS

Edward Joseph Garland: For a return showing a statement of all grants of land, money, or other franchise in any form granted by the Canadian Government to (1) The Canadian Northern Railway or any of its subsidiaries, (2) The Grand Trunk Pacific Railway or any of its subsidiaries.

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RAILWAY ASSETS TAKEN OVER BY GOVERNMENT

Edward Joseph Garland: For a return showing a statement of all assets taken over by the Canadian Government and (or) the Canadian National Railways from (1) The Canadian Northern Railway or any of its subsidiaries, (2) The Grand Trunk Pacific Railway or any of its subsidiaries, including (a) land; (b) steamers; (c) hotels; (d) town sites; (e) industries; (f) traction systems;
(g)	any other property.



DEVELOPMENT OF HYDRO-ELECTRIC POWER ON ST. LAWRENCE

Charles A. Stewart: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, recommendations, communications and other documents passing between the government of the Province of Ontario, or the Hydro-Electric Power Commission of Ontario, and the government of Canada, or the Joint International Waterways Commission, or any committee thereof, in connection with the development of Hydro-electric power on the St. Lawrence river, during the year 1925.



MR. GEORGE P. MACKENZIE

William Alves Boys: For a copy of all documents, correspondence, telegrams. orders in council, and other papers relating to the creation of the position of exploration and development officer. Canadian Arctic, and the transfer thereto of Mr. George P. MacKenzie, former gold commissioner for Yukon.
INTERIOR DEPARTMENT	OFFICIALS-TAX



EXEMPTIONS 1923-24

William Alves Boys: For a copy of all correspondence and papers in relation to the exemption from income tax of sums paid by the government to any official or officials in the employ of the Department of the Interior for 1923 and 1924 '



PACIFIC CABLE BOARD

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and other communications subsequent to March 31, 1924, between the Postmaster General or any of the officials of his department and the Pacific Cable Board or its president or secretary and also between the Postmaster General or any of the officials of his department and the High Commissioner for Canada or Mr. Lucien Pacaud or Sir Campbell Stuart, in regard to the suggested duplication of the cable between Bamfield and Fanning Island.



AUSTRALIAN COMMONWEALTH-BUTTER BONUS

William Alves Boys: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and other documents exchanged between the Canadian government or any department thereof or the Canadian Trade Commissioner and the Australian government, relating in any way to the reported payment of a bonus of six cents per pound by the Inter-State Stabilization Committee of Australia on all butter exported from the Commonwealth of Australia, under what is termed the Patterson Scheme.



CHATHAM-NEW STEAM FERRY BOAT

Mr. FISH:: For a copy of all correspondence, orders in council and other documents exchanged between the Department of Marine and Fisheries, the Department of Public Works or the Department of Trade and Commerce or any other department of the government or any person, firm or corporation in the county of Northumberland, New Brunswick, respecting a new steam ferry boat built at Chatham, New Brunswick, in the year 1925, and with respect to approval thereof and in respect to an application for a subsidy therefor.



MR. ECCLES J. GOTT

Mr. CASGRAIN (for Mr. Vallance):: For a copy of all papers, reports letters, telegrams and other documents of every nature and description relative to the appointment of Mr. Eccles J. Gott as an official of the Department of Immigration in the years 1914. 1915. 1916, 1917, and relative to the dismissal of said Mr. Eccles J. Gott from said appointment and the reasons and evidence and other documents relative thereto.



PROTECTION WORKS AT BLAIRMORE, ALTA.

Mr. COOTE:: For a return showing all payments made by the Dominion Government from July 1, 1923, to November 30. 1925, to individuals, firms, corporations or superintendents, engaged in any capacity in connection with the dredging, excavating or erection of protection works on the Old Man river at Blairmore, Alberta, and through whom such payments were made.



SALARIES OF SESSIONAL EMPLOYEES

Mr. MAYBEE:: For a return giving the names of the sessional employees of the House of Commons staff, and showing* their respective salaries, occupations and date of appointment.



CORRESPONDENCE RE DOMINION RAILWAY LANDS

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and other documents passing between the Government of the province of British Columbia, or any Minister or any officer thereof and the Prime Minister, or any other Minister of the Crown or any officer of the Government since December 6, 1921, and relating to the Dominion Railway belt and lands in the Peace River district in British Columbia, held by the Dominion of Canada, in trust, under the terms of union between the Dominion of Canada and British Columbia.



DISMISSAL OF MR. ALEX. D. KING

Mr. SMITH:: ____
For a copy of all letters, telegrams, reports, or other documents passing between the Postmaster General or any Officers of his Department and the District Post Office Inspectors of Nova Scotia, or any and all of the travelling or special Inspectors during the years 1924, 1925, and 1926 to date, having regard to the dismissal or retirement of Mr. Alex. D. King, Postmaster of Oxford, County of Cumberland, Nova Scotia.
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EXPENDITURES IN VANCOUVER HARBOUR

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all Orders in Council passed during the years 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925 and to date in 1926, authorizing the Vancouver Harbour Board to expend moneys out of votes of appropriation authorizing expenditure in the harbour of Vancouver, also a statement showing the expenditure authorized to date out of each vote of appropriation, also a statement showing moneys actually paid out, also a statement showing what properties have been purchased and the amount paid in each case either in cash, bonds or other obligations.



IMPERIAL PENSIONS IN CANADA

Charles A. Stewart: For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, memoranda, communications, orders in council, reports of auditors or other documents relating in any way to the intention of the British Ministry of Pensions to take over from the Canadian government or any department thereof the administration of imperial pensions in Canada and the United States of America or relating in any way to any claims of the British government or the British Ministry of Pensions for alleged excessive charges by or overpayments to the Dominion of Canada or any department of the government thereof or to any persons, firms or corporations in connection with the administration of British pensions in Canada or the United States of America or for any services connected therewith.



DEVELOPMENT OF NATIVE IRON RESOURCES

Mr. NICHOLSON:: For a copy of all letters, telegrams or other documents between the honourable the Minister of the Interior, or any official of the Department of the Interior, and the honourable the Minister of Mines of the province of Ontario relating to or connected with the proposal of the government of Ontario for co. operation between the government of Canada and the government of Ontario in a plan to encourage the development of the native iron resources of the Dominion.



SHIPMENT OF WHISKEY FROM WALKERVILLE

William Alves Boys: For a copy of all correspondence and other documents relating to a shipment of whisky from Walker-ville, Ontario, to one Watson, Ensenada, Mexico, and the cancellation of the bond given in connection therewith.



ADAMSVILLE POST OFFICE

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a copy of all correspondence exchanged between the postmaster at Adamsvi'lle in the county of Kent, New Brunswick, the Post Office Department and the Divisional Superintendent with respect to the removal of the office from its former location to its present location on the outskirts of the village.



TELEPHONE LINES IN CHICOUTIMI-SAGUENAY

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a copy of all correspondence exchanged between the government, the Department of Public Works and La Compagnie Co-operative TelSphonique des Comtes de St.-Jean-Chicoutimi, since May 24, 1923, with reference to the lease or sale of the telephone lines between Chicoutimi and St.-Ambroise and St.-Ambroise and Peribonka in the constituency of Chicoutimi-Saguenay, Quebec.
I Mr. Smith.]



MR. TIBURCE MALLET

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a copy of all correspondence passed between the Department of Marine and Fisheries and other parties in relation to salvage services rendered by Mr. Tiburce Mallet, of St. Mary, Island Shippigan, New Brunswick?



MR. G. S. HARRINGTON

Mr. McPHEE:: For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged between Honourable G. S. Harrington, now of Halifax, Nova Scotia, and any department of the government or of the House of Commons relative to a claim of said Honourable G. S. Harrington for special fees and allowances for appearing as a witness before a committee of the House of Commons or of the Senate.	#



CANE MANUFACTURING COMPANY, LIMITED

Mr. LENNOX:: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and other documents relating to the Cane Manufacturing Company, Limited, of Newmarket, in connection with the duty on lead pencils.



IMPORT OF SPIRITUOUS LIQUORS

Robert James Manion: For a copy of all letters, orders in council, or other documents between the government and the British Trade Commissioner, the Industrial Alcohol Company, or any other parties, dealing with restrictions on the import of spirituous liquors into Canada before such liquors are aged for a certain time.



THE PICTONIAN

Mr. SPENCE (Maple Creek):: For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, letters and other documents in the possession of the government relative to the seizure and confiscation of the vessel Pictonian by the United States government together with a copy of the vessels register crew list, manifest and clearance papers on the last voyage of the said vessel.



I. WILSON STAND

Charles Elijah Fish: For a copy of all correspondence exchanged between the Department of Marine and Fisheries and others with reference to a salmon fishing stand near Derby Junction on the southwest branch of the Miramichi in the county of Northumberland, New Brunswick, and known as the I. Wilson Stand.



REPORT OF LIEUTENANT-COLONEL H. A. MACHIN

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a copy of the report made by Lt.-Col. H. A. Machin to the Minister of Justice, in connection with the trouble which occurred in Quebec at the beginning of April, 1918.



OIL INDUSTRY INVESTIGATION

[Stage Direction]
Mr. Boys, for Mr. Armstrong (Lambton), moved:
For a copy of all papers, letters, telegrams, memoranda, correspondence, reports and other documents with reference to an investigation into the oil industry

Unopposed Motions for Papers
at Petrolia, Ontario, and Oil Springs, Ontario, made by Mr. Bussell of the Finance department in the year 1924.
James Alexander Robb: I do not rise to offer any objection to this motion but I would point out to the House the attitude taken by a previous Minister of Finance under similar circumstances, an attitude which I consider sound. I have before me a memorandum to the effect that in the session of 1912 Mr. Maclean, then member for Halifax, having moved for certain correspondence in regard to cement was informed by Mr. White, afterwards Sir Thomas White, at that time Minister of Finance, that it was not customary for the department to give information that might be regarded as confidential. In that connection Sir Th'omas White said:
In connection with this, I might say that I am advised by the Customs department that it regards as confidential any letters or correspondence from business firms relating particularly .to their own business, and dealing with such matters as, for instance, cost of production. I think I should be able reasonably to satisfy my hon. friend from the public file, but I would like to ask him if he desires correspondence that might be reasonably regarded as confidential, on the ground that I have mentioned. I am told that in the department it has -been customary not to give out such reports.
I offer no objection to the present motion provided it is understood that reports that may be considered confidential will not be tabled.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.
CHICAGO DRAINAGE CANAL Mr. BOYS (for Mr. Church), moved:
For a copy of aJll correspondence, letters, telegrams, reports and orders in council, relating to t'he diversion of the waters of the Great Lakes by the Chicago drainage canal, including all communications with the government of Great Britain, the British ambassador at Washington, D.C., and the government of the United States.
Charles A. Stewart: Practically all the documents that have passed between the governments are down, having been produced for the most part last session. Some which were not. brought down last session have been tabled at this session, the single exception being in the case of such documents as we have not received the permission of the United States government to table. They are only one or two recent despatches.


Mr. SPEAKER:: Carried.


Charles A. Stewart: I am pointing out, Mr. Speaker, that the documents are all down with the exception of those for the tabling of which, we have not received the permission of the United States government.


Hewitt Bostock: Stand.



RAILWAY EMPLOYEES AT MONT-JOLI

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged between railway employees of Mont-Joli, Quebec, and the Department of Railways.


James Alexander Robb: My hon. friend has only to read his own motion to observe that it involves a great deal of work that is quite unnecessary. I do not know whether he wants to go back to the date when the charter was asked for, or how far back he would go in placing a limitation on the extent of the correspondence he desires.


Alexandre Joseph Doucet: I shall be glad to confer
with the Acting Minister of Railways with a view to limiting the time in relation to the correspondence to be brought down.


James Alexander Robb: In the meantime let it stand.


Hewitt Bostock: Stand.



CUSTOMS PREVENTIVE SERVICE

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all correspondence between the Prime Minister and any and all other .persons during the year 1925, having reference to the prevention of smuggling.


Georges Henri Boivin: If I may be allowed a word with the unanimous consent of the House, I would make an appeal to the hon. member for Vancouver Centre (Mr. Stevens) in regard to a few of the motions which he placed on the order paper long before the appointment of the committee now investigating the administration of the Department of Customs and Excise. As the hon. member knows, the original documents have been produced before the committee and it will be absolutely impossible for the officials of the government to copy them. I would ask the hon. member if he would not be disposed to drop those motions in regard to which the original papers have already been produced before the committee. As regards the other motions, they will of course carry without objection on my part.


Henry Herbert Stevens: It is of course out of
order to discuss motions of this kind, but. having gone carefully through the list I may say that there are one or twc which I am prepared to drop. As to the other motions, there is no reason why the documents should not be brought down. In the case of the motion we are now discussing I understand

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that copies of the correspondence have been made, so_that they can be tabled; and in connection with most of these motions copies are available. I know that of my own knowledge. There is therefore no reason why they should not be tabled. The first motion is one of importance and the correspondence is not voluminous.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: As the motion relates to correspondence 'between the Prime Minister and "all other persons," I might remind my hon. friend that 'both the originals and the copies are now before the committee. I will have to get back the originals from the committee and supply the committee with further copies. They have all the correspondence at the present time
Mr. STEVENS That is just, what I have pointed out already. There are two sets. A couple of stenographers could make the copies in an hour or two.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If my hon.
friend wishes to have additional copies to those already produced' to his committee, there is not the slightest objection to complying with his request. It is only a matter of extra work.


Henry Herbert Stevens: That is all.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all official records, documents, letters and telegrams in connection with and having reference to all seizures made at Rock Island, Quebec, during the year 1924, giving the names of the persons involved and 'the value and the amounts of the seizures, together with all particulars of the settlements effected in each case.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Dropped.



CUSTOMS SERVICE MONTREAL- DUNCAN REPORT

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of report of Walter Duncan on the administration of the customs service at the port of Montreal, made during the month of December, 1925, together with a copy of all testimony and documents in evidence received by the said Mr. Duncan, also interim report covering eleven definite charges of irregularities including perjury, forgery, theft and other offences committed by one Bisaillon, and also charges implicating other officers of the crown in serious offences, inefficiency and dereliction of duty.


Georges Henri Boivin: Mr. Speaker, I ask that this motion be transferred to the order Notices of Motion, so that it may be debated.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Mr. Speaker, I am prepared to meet the minister part way in this matter. I would suggest that the wordk:
Together with a copy of all testimony and documents in evidence received by the said Mr. Duncan,
be struck out. That is, the report should be produced, but not the evidence.


Georges Henri Boivin: Mr. Speaker, I merely ask something that is within the right of every member of this House. If a member desires to debate a motion for the production of papers he has the right to ask that it be transferred to the order "Notices of Motion". I have made this request, and do not want to break the rule by discussing it now.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I am not .objecting. I do not know why the minister is getting excited. I withdraw my suggested amendment.


Hewitt Bostock: Transferred as per agreement.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I have no objection at all.



AIR. J. E. A. BISAILLON

Hon.   A@: For a copy of all documents on file in the Department of Health, the Department of Customs and the Department of Justice, having reference to the activities of J. E. A. Bisaillon in connection with the enforcement of the Narcotic Drug Act, including the documents, charges, testimony, judge's summing up, in reference to the case of Rex vs. Lortie, St. George, et al.


Georges Henri Boivin: With regard to this
motion, I make the same request as I did with respect to the preceding one-that it be transferred to the order Notices of Motion.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Air. Speaker, with all due deference, I submit that this request of the minister's is most unusual, and is not fair. I should like to have your ruling, Sir, on the rule which is invoked by the minister. I confess I have not looked it up lately.


Hewitt Bostock: In the case immediately
preceding this there was unanimous consent to the minister's request. Unless there is unanimous consent here, the hon. Minister of Customs will have to give notice of motion.


Georges Henri Boivin: But, Mr. Speaker, all I ask is for permission to debate this motion. I want to give to the House the reasons why the motion should not be agreed to without amendment.


Hewitt Bostock: I would remind the House that motions for production of papers are not debatable. If the hon. member who has put the motion on the order paper does not agree to its being transferred as requested by the

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Minister of Customs, it would be better to allow it to stand.


Georges Henri Boivin: It may stand, Mr. Speaker, until the end of the session, but it will have to be debated before it is voted upon.


Hewitt Bostock: Stands.


Arthur Meighen: We have not agreed that it stand at all, Mr. Speaker. If the government want it defeated, let them defeat it. We are prepared now to press the motion.


Ernest Lapointe: Mr. Speaker, may I call your attention to rule 38 which provides:
All such notices when called shall be forthwith disposed of; but if on any such motion a debate be desired, it will be transferred by the clerk to the order of Notices of Motions.


Arthur Meighen: What is meant by, "be desired"? That does not mean that a motion is to be transferred at the caprice of any member of the House.


Ernest Lapointe: The Minister of Customs said that he wanted the motion debated.


Arthur Meighen: Very good. But to say
that something is desired does not mean that merely because one member desires it he may transfer and postpone any motion. It means that the motion may be so treated if the House or if the hon. member making the motion desire it.


Ernest Lapointe: Do you mean that the majority must desire to debate any motion? Well, well.	.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Speaking to the point of order, Mr. Speaker, I think the invoking of rule 38 is a most unusual procedure and not at all in harmony with the rule as generally interpreted. The rule unquestionably is intended to apply to the circumstance where the member moving the motion wishes to debate it. If he desires that his motion for the production of papers shall be simply passed without debate, it is his option to place it under the other order with an asterisk attached-a course which in the seventeen sessions that I have been in the House has been followed without variation.


Robert James Manion: Mr. Speaker, on the point of order, may I direct your attention to the first part of rule 38, which says:
Notices of motion for the production of papers which the member asking for the same intends to move without discussion, shall be marked by him with an asterisk-
I take it therefore that the remainder of the rule refers to the mover of the motion, and unless he wishes it to be discussed it is not to be discussed.


An hon. MEMBER:: Oh, no.


Henry Herbert Stevens: There is no question about that.


Hewitt Bostock: Since rule 38 is invoked
the request of the hon. Minister of Customs bears a different aspect. Rule 38 reads:
Notices of motion for the production of papers which the member asking for the same intends to move without discussion, shall be marked by him with an asterisk and shall be placed by the clerk on the order paper above "Notices of Motions," under the heading "Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers." All such notices when called shall be forthwith disposed of; but if on any such motion a debate be desired, it will be transferred by the clerk to the order of Notices of Motions.
The question is whether the expression, "be desired," refers to the individual member moving the motion, or whether it is to be interpreted as an order from the House.


Arthur Meighen: Or as coming from the
mover, referred to in the first part of the rule.


Hewitt Bostock: In my humble judgment
the same principle should apply here as under rule 37, section 4, dealing with questions, reading as follows:
If a question is of such a nature that in the opinion of the minister who is to furnish the reply, such reply should be in the form of a return, and the minister states that he has no objection to laying such return upon the table of the House, his statement shall, unless otherwise ordered by the House, be deemed an order of the House to that effect and the same shall be entered in the Votes and Proceedings as such.
The same principle applies in this case. It is therefore my ruling that the hon. Minister of Customs is entitled, under rule 38, to have this motion transferred as a debatable motion.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Do I understand, Mr. Speaker, your ruling to be that if an hon. member places a resolution under the order, Notices of Motions for Production of Papers without debate-


Hewitt Bostock: With an asterisk.


Henry Herbert Stevens: -that it is competent for any other member to suggest that such resolution shall be transferred to another order under which it is quite possible he will have no opportunity of having his resolution passed at all? Let me point out, Mr. Speaker, before you actually give that ruling, that the very purpose of securing the production of papers would be defeated by that process. It would be competent for myself or any other member of the House to raise this question from time to time upon the motion for production of such papers as we might have a desire to delay, obstruct or prevent. The one outstanding rule of this House- and I think of all other parliaments similarly constituted-

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has been that orders for the production of documents and papers shall be passed forthwith, and that the papers shall be produced with all reasonable expedition. I think, Mr. Speaker, that before any definite ruling is made upon this question, greater consideration should be given to it and a further opportunity for discussion of the point of order. In my estimation it would be a very, very serious precedent to establish.


Hewitt Bostock: I do not find any reason for looking to precedent when the letter of the rule is so clear:
All such notices when called shall be forthwith disposed of; but if on any such motion a debate be desired, it will be transferred by the clerk to the order of Notices of Motions.
As it stands, the motion before the House is not debatable, but the House might decide by its vote that it should not be passed. The rule does not say "the minister of the crown" but we all know that these papers are sought from the crown, are in the possession of the crown and have to be tabled by the crown. This is the gist of my ruling. If a minister of the crown states that he would prefer to have such a motion made a debatable motion, I cannot do otherwise than grant the request.


Arthur Meighen: Mr. Speaker, just to understand your ruling, inasmuch as you have used the expression "if a minister of the crown desires", may I ask if Your Honour holds that a minister of the crown in relation to a motion for the produetons of papers has greater rights than an ordinary member of the House, or does your ruling apply to any member?


Hewitt Bostock: I do not like to decide hypothetical cases; when cases arise I will pass on them. For the moment I refer the right hon. gentleman, who is an authority on parliamentary procedure, to subsection 4 of rule 37, which gives to the minister of the crown the exclusive right of not answering a question, and of asking that it be made an order for return, so the same principle may be applied in the present case.


Arthur Meighen: And by implication, inasmuch as the minister alone is given the right under subsection 4 of the previous rule and is not mentioned at all in the next rule, the obvious and necessary inference is that he has no such right under rule 38. I take the ground that the hon. member for Vancouver Centre (Mr. Stevens) is right and that no single member or minister of the crown has the right to defeat the purpose of rule 38. But certainly if a minister has that right, everyone else has the same right.


Ernest Lapointe: Mr. Speaker, when
I first came to this House there was no such rule allowing a member to put an asterisk before a motion for the production of papers so there would not be any debate. The motions were alike. This was done to expedite matters and to avoid debate on motions which are clearly non-contentious. As soon as such a motion is moved and it appears that a debate is necessary,-for instance, when papers are asked for which are confidential in their nature and the production of which would be detrimental to the public interest,-surely there must be objection to the motion and as soon as that objection is raised and a debate is desired it is necessary to transfer it because, when a motion appears with an asterisk, it is supposed that everyone is in favour of it. I think this is clear.


Henry Herbert Stevens: No, the motion with the asterisk could be rejected; the House is not bound to accept it.


Ernest Lapointe: But I have no right to give the reasons for which I oppose the motion, because it is undebatable. That is why it should be transferred.


Arthur Meighen: Will the hon. gentleman permit a question? He says the purpose of the asterisk is to make the motion non-debatable. If any single member of the House can transfer it to the debatable column, how does an asterisk make it non-debatable?


Ernest Lapointe: That is how it was before; they were all debatable, and this was done simply to expedite matters. It is very seldom that these motions are debated, but in cases such as these where confidential documents are asked for we have to give our objections, and we cannot give them on a motion which is not debatable.


Robert James Manion: I would like to draw the attention of the Minister of Justice to the fact that the rule distinctly states that the person who must decide whether or not the asterisk is to be placed there is the mover of the motion.


Ernest Lapointe: Yes, so far as the asterisk is concerned.
Mr. MiANION: It says that a motion for the production of papers, which is intended to be without discussion, shall be marked with an asterisk. If we are to draw an inference, the last part of the motion should refer also to the mover. The rule says:
AH such motions when called shall be forthwith disposed of.
That must refer to the mover, because the first part refers to him.

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Ernest Lapointe: If I have reasons to
give, how can I do so?


Hewitt Bostock: I have given my ruling.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Mr. Speaker, it is with
very great regret indeed that I would suggest an appeal from your ruling, but I frankly state to you as my reason for doing so- do-es the Minister of Customs desire to make any comment?


Georges Henri Boivin: The Minister of Customs does not desire to make any comment, and he does not think the hon. member for Vancouver Centre has any right to comment upon a ruling of the Chair.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I am within the judgment of the Speaker of the House whom I presume to be Speaker, and not my hon. friend the Minister of Customs. I was observing, Mr. Speaker, that it was with extreme regret that I questioned your ruling and that I desired to appeal from it. I merely wish to say in doing so that my reason for making the appeal is that if this ruling is to be followed in the future, it simply means that the value or merit of rule 38, which is based upon long experience and which makes the notices of motion for the production of papers nondebatable, will be entirely vitiated at the caprice of any minister of the crown. Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, another reason for appealing against the ruling is that you have stated that a minister of the crown-.


Ernest Lapointe: I rise to a point of order.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I will be through in just
a moment.
Mr. L.APOINTE:	I rise to a point of
order. The hon. gentleman has the right to appeal from a ruling, but he cannot make a speech on the ruling.


Hewitt Bostock: The Speaker having
decided that a motion for the production of papers could, under rule 38, at the request of the Minister of Customs, be transferred to the list of debatable motions, the hon. member for Vancouver Centre (Mr. Stevens) appeals from the ruling. Is it the pleasure of the House that the Speaker's decision be sustained?
Ruling sustained and motion of Mr. Stevens transferred to .the order Notices of Motion.



PREVENTIVE SERVICE APPOINTMENTS

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a return showing a list of all appointees to the preventive service since June, 1925, whose salary or expenses were paid out of the vote of $350,000 included 14011-99
in the supplementary estimates of 1925, together with the names of all those who recommended these persons, and also a copy of all correspondence having reference to those who were so appointed.


Georges Henri Boivin: I ask that this motion and, in order to save Your Honour reading them, several of the other motions that I will indicate, be transferred.


Hewitt Bostock: The last one is carried.


Georges Henri Boivin: I was on my feet, Mr. Speaker, trying-


Hewitt Bostock: I did not see the hon.
member. Would the hon. member give the numbers of the motions that are to be transferred?


Georges Henri Boivin: Nos. 10, 11, 12, 13, 18, 22 and 23.


Hewitt Bostock: It is ordered that said
motions be transferred to the list of debatable motions.
' Mr. STEVENS:	Mr. Speaker, are we to
understand that without the calling of the motions, without the motions having been moved, the minister can rise in his seat and transfer these motions?


Hewitt Bostock: :	I can call them; it is
only a formality. It is, of course, more regular to call the motions.


Henry Lumley Drayton: Perhaps we
might know what are really called. It seems to me we are getting a little outside of what we have been discussing. I hardly think it is quite the thing to do.


Hewitt Bostock: I have read motion No.
11. That is transferred, also No. 12.



CUSTOMS ADMIN ISTRATION-R.C .M .P REPORTS

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all reports made from time to time during the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925, by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in reference to dishonest practice and inefficiency on the port of customs officers administrating affairs at the port of Montreal.


Georges Henri Boivin: I ask that this motion be transferred.


Hewitt Bostock: Transferred.
Motion transferred.
REX vs. J. F. SIMONS ET AL


Henry Herbert Stevens: For a return showing copies of all testimony and exhibits in connection with the case of Hex vs J. F. Simons et al.


Georges Henri Boivin: I ask that this
motion be transferred.


Hewitt Bostock: Transferred.
Motion transferred.

Unopposed Motions for Papers



TARIFF ADVISERS

Hewitt Bostock: Sir Henry Drayton
moves:
For a return showing what appointments, if any, have been made under vote No. 346 of the estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1926, reading as follows,-
"346. To provide for salaries and expenses of the advisers engaged in tariff enquiry. Payments may be made notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act or regulations thereunder, $30,000."
Also, for a return showing payments made under the authority of such vote, and for what purposes.


Henry Lumley Drayton: Dropped.


James Alexander Robb: I can give my hon. friend the answer now if he desires.
Motion dropped.



SMUGGLING-APPOINTMENT OF OFFICERS

Henry Lumley Drayton: J or a copy of all correspondence and other papers relative to the appointments made under vote 493 of the supplementary estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1926, under the item reading as follows,-
"Amount required to create positions and make appointments of officers for the prevention of smuggling and to investigate reported frauds against the revenue, notwithstanding anything contained in the Civil Service Act and the said positions and staff so appointed to be wholly excluded from said act; also to provide for expenses of such officers and for the purchase or charter of vessels and for the purchase or hire of automobiles to be used in the prevention of smuggling or other offences against the revenue laws, $350,000."
Also, for a return of all appointments made under the authority of such vote, giving the names of the appointees, dates of commencement of their duties and when same ceased and the previous occupations of all appointees.
A'so, a return showing all payments mad* under the said vote and for what purposes.


Georges Henri Boivin: I ask that this motion be transferred.


Hewitt Bostock: Transferred.
Motion transferred.



ORDERS IN COUNCIL PASSED IN 1925

Henry Lumley Drayton: Eor a return of all orders in council passed in the calendar year 1925.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would ask my hon. friend if he really desires all that he is requesting here. A? my hon. friend knows, there are a great many orders in council that are purely routine orders, haying to do with regulations, promotions, transfers of land, property, and so forth, and to bring down all that is asked for here I am afraid would mean a very large and quite unnecessary expense. If my hon. friend would

indicate the orders he has in. mind there would be no objection.


Henry Lumley Drayton: One difficulty,
Mr. Speaker, is that unfortunately I am not endowed with the gift of mind reading. I made this motion because I have great difficulty in finding out what the government is doing. However, I make this suggestion: In order to facilitate matters I am perfectly willing to go through the list with the Cierk of the Privy Council and to indicate those orders that can be brought down. That procedure would cut out, I should think, a very large proportion. I frankly tell my right hon. friend I do not know what orders he has been passing. I know that he has passed a considerable number, and there may be more.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I am sure my hon. friend knows me well enough to understand that if he had asked to see all these orders he would have been welcome to do so. I can promise him that I will take pleasure in putting the orders at his disposal.


Henry Lumley Drayton: I am perfectly content to let the motion stand. I will follow up the suggestion of my right hon. friend. I will go over the orders in council and indicate what should be brought down.
Motion stands.



ADMINISTRATION OF VANCOUVER HARBOUR

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, affidavits and documents of all kinds passing between W. H. Morrison of Vancouver, B.C., and the Minister of Trade and Commerce or any officer of the Department of Trade and Commerce, and the Minister of Justice or any officer of the Department of Justice, and having relation to a certain statutory declaration filed by the said \V. H. Morrison, in reference to the administration of the harbour of Vancouver. Also all correspondence between the aforementioned ministers i;r their departments and A. Manson, Attorney General of British Columbia, in relation to the said statutory declaration.


James Alexander Robb: I offer no objection to the passage of the resolution except to remind my hon. friend of the exception made in the case of a previous resolution with respect to anything of a confidential nature.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I know of no papers that would be of that character, and certainly the rule in such cases should be respected.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all correspondence, letters and telegrams between the Minister of Customs or any officer

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of the Customs department and Frank Wilkinson of Beebe Plain or Beebe Junction, Quebec, during the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925. Also copy of all correspondence between special officer McNamee of Montreal, and the Minister of Customs or any officer of the Customs department in reference to the seizure of a car from one Frank Wilkinson.


Georges Henri Boivin: I ask that the motion be transferred.


Hewitt Bostock: Transferred.



CUSTOM SEIZURES AT BEEBE JUNCTION, QUEBEC

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all official records, documents, letters and telegrams in connection with and having reference to all seizures made at Beebe Juncvt'ion, Quebec, during the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925, giving the names of the persons involved and the value and the amounts of the seizures, together with all particulars of the settlements effected in each case.


Georges Henri Boivin: I ask that this motion also be transferred.


Hewitt Bostock: Transferred.



EMBARGO UPON PULPWOOD

Mr. ARTHURS moved:: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams or recommendations reflating to an embargo upon pulp-wood or to a proposed export duty upon pulpwood shipped from Canada, such order to apply to correspondence, etc., subsequent to January 1, 1921.


James Alexander Robb: I imagine that the tabling of the report of the Pulpwood commission should satisfy my hon. friend and save very much work. I will be glad to consult with him in regard to the matter.
Motion stands.



DUTIES ON NEW ZEALAND IMPORTS

Mr. SUTHERLAND (South Oxford) moved:: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, or other records between the government of Canada and New Zealand relating in any way to the passing of an order in council by the government of Canada under date of September 26, 1925, whereby the Canadian customs tariff on agricultural products from New Zealand, when imported into Canada, was greatly reduced, and in many instances entirely removed.


James Alexander Robb: I offer no objection to the passage of the resolution except to point out the error in the last six words reading as follows: "and in many cases entirely removed'/ The duty has not been removed "in many cases".


Hewitt Bostock: Carried with that excision?


James Alexander Robb: I am only making that
observation.


Hewitt Bostock: Carried.
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PENALTIES FOR UNDERVALUATION

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all correspondence between the Victoria J,umber & Manufacturing Company or any solicitor or agent of the said company and the Customs department, Ottawa, in reference to machinery imported from the Diamond Iron Works, Minneapolis, together with copy of all reports in regard to the investigation of these importations, also a statement showing the amount of penalty duty imposed for under-valuation, also copy of evidence that the Diamond Iron Works submitted in rebuttal of the charges preferred against them. Also copy of the settlement made showing when the sum in settlement was finally paid.


Georges Henri Boivin: I ask that this be
transferred.
Mr.'STEVENS: I would simply say to the minister that the resolution has nothing to do with the inquiry at all.


Georges Henri Boivin: I would like to have the
motion slightly amended, but I cannot do that without discussing the motion and that is why I ask to have it transferred.


Henry Herbert Stevens: It is done every day. This is simply a process of obstruction.
Motion transferred.



APPOINTMENT OF TRADE COMMISSIONERS

[Stage Direction]
On the motion of Mr. ROSS (Kingston):
For a return showing the names of all appointees as trade commissioners, of all dismissals and resignations from such positions, and also a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, and other documents connected with the same appointees, dismissals and resignations, during the years 1922, 1923, 1924 and 1925.
James Alexander Robb: I notice that the hon.
member for Kingston (Mr. Ross) is not in his seat. Some days ago I gave him certain information which I think satisfied him, and we might let this motion stand until that is. confirmed.
Motion stands.



EMPLOYMENT OF MILITARY OFFICERS

Alexandre Joseph Doucet: For a return showing:-
1.	The numbers of each of the following: lieutenant generals; major generals; colonels commandant; colonels; lieutenant colonels; majors; captains; lieutenants; non-commissioned officers of each rank; privates at present or at the latest date at which the information is available, in the employ of the government of Canada in the permanent force, including civilian employment and the Air force, (a) at headquarters. at Ottawa, (b) at each military district in Canada.
2.	How and where each is employed, appointment, regimental, staff or otherwise.
3.	The amount paid each annually (a) in cash, (b) amount given to each annually by way of allowance! allowing details of allowances.

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4.	The amount deducted from or charged to each annually on any account (other than penalties) showing details of deductions.
5.	Those employed as instructors, with the rank of each and where employed.
6.	The number of persons instructed from August 1, 1924, to August 1, 1925, the rank of each, the course given each and where each instructed.


Edward Mortimer Macdonald: I am instructed by the officers of my department that to provide this return in regard to the first four items would involve going over a list of about 3,500 men, and in regard to the sixth item it would involve a statement in regard to 35,000 men. If my hon. friend will confer with me I shall take pains to ascertain the exact information he requires, and I would ask that the motion stand.
Motion stands.



WINNIPEG STRIKE

Mr. WOODSWORTH (for Mr. Heaps) moved:: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, reports, orders in council, and other documents relating to the use of the military or civil forces in connection with the Winnipeg general strike of 1919.


James Dew Chaplin: In reference to this resolution, ;I want to move that it be transferred to debatable motions. I wish to have it debated,


Hewitt Bostock: If the desire is expressed generally by the House-


Some hon. MEMBERS:: No, no.


Hewitt Bostock: If it is the desire of hon. members it may be transferred.
Motion transferred.



PRICE OF NEWSPRINT

Henry Herbert Stevens: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, documents, etc., passing between R. J. Crombie of the Vancouver Daily Sun, Vancouver, British Columbia, and the Prime Minister of Canada or any other minister of the crown, or any officer of the government and having reference to the price charged in Canada for newsprint and the price at which Canadian newsprint is sold abroad, together with all documents and reports made to the government in regard to the same during the years 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925 and to date in 1926.
He said: At the very courteous request of the Minister of the Interior I ask that this motion be allowed to stand.
Motion stands.



STOUFFVILLE POST OFFICE

Thomas Herbert Lennox: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and other documents, relating to the post office at StoufTville, Ontario.


Ernest Lapointe: I assume that what the hon. gentleman wants is the correspondence

relating to the construction of a post office building and not to postal matters generally.


An hon. MEMBER:: Yes.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
Mr. CASGRAIN (for Mr. McIntosh), moved:
For a copy of all accounts submitted to the government by Colonel Robert Innes, in connection with his visit to India, together with a copy of all telegrams, correspondence and other documents in connection with the same.
William Alves Boys: I ask that this motion be transferred to the list of debatable resolutions.


Hewitt Bostock: Transferred.



ELECTRIC MACHINERY MANUFACTURING COMPANY, MINNEAPOLIS

Mr. FOSTER moved:: For a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams, affidavits, reports, communications and documents of all kinds passing between the Electric Machinery Manufacturing Company, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, and the honourable the Secretary of State or any officer of the Department of the Secretary of State or any oilier departments of the government or any officers of any other departments of the government between the 11th of November, 1919, and the present time.


Ernest Lapointe: In order to obviate the transfer of this order along with several others following, up to and including No. 66, I would ask that they be allowed to stand. In the meantime I shall communicate with my hon. friend with a view to having the motions chariged somewhat so that they may pass. As they are drafted it would be almost impossible to answer them.


Hewitt Bostock: Shall all the hon. member's motions stand?


Ernest Lapointe: Yes, Mr. Speaker, down to 66 inclusive.


George Eulas Foster: The minister says it would be impossible to answer them. What am I to understand that to mean?


Ernest Lapointe: They are objectionable in their present form. They ask for an indefinite series of correspondence between six named persons and various departments of government. The motions should relate to some definite subject and if the hon. member would state just what he has reference to in the matter of the correspondence the information could be brought down. In many cases in the departments correspondence is indexed and filed under the subject matter and not under the name of the correspondent. It would be very difficult indeed to give all

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the correspondence my friend wants in the form in which his motion is drafted. Furthermore, he asks for all correspondence exchanged since 1919 by the firm of Henderson & Herridge, Ottawa, with every department of the government, without mentioning the subject matter. It is almost impossible to give that information.


Hewitt Bostock: Stands.



CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS- DETROIT FRANCHISE

William Alves Boys: For a co<py of all correspondence, telegrams, reports, agreements, contracts, letters and all other correspondence between the Honourable Alexander Groesbeck, Governor of Michigan, or any other person or persons, and Sir Henry Thornton and the Canadian National Railways, or any officials thereof, relating to the giving up of valuable charter considerations and rights of way to the state of Michigan by the Canadian National Railways and The Detroit G. H. & M. Railway, a subsidiary-and the agreement, to pay $225,000 taxes a year to the state of Michigan. The surrender of valuable franchise owned in perpetuity in the centre of Detroit bv the Canadian National and The Detroit & G. R. M. Railway, and also relating to the use of the Brush street (C.N.R.) terminal in Detroit.


James Alexander Robb: Mr. Speaker, I have a
memorandum from the management of the Canadian National Railways saying that such correspondence and other documents as can be brought down without prejudice to the situation as between the Canadian National Railways and the state of Michigan, will be produced.


Henry Lumley Drayton: What does that mean?


Hewitt Bostock: Carried.


Arthur Meighen: Mr. Speaker, I know
of no rule whereby a motion can pass subject to a qualification. Now that we have this new rule that anybody can transfer debatable questions, I think it would be much better to have this motion so transferred.


James Alexander Robb: I do not object to having it
transferred.


Hewitt Bostock: By unanimous consent,
transferred.



MR. H. BOULAY

Mr. CULLIGAN moved:: For a copy of any letter or letters -written by Mr. H. Roulay, of Sayabec, county of Matane, to the Minister of Militia and Defence at Ottawa, on January 18, 1918.


Edward Mortimer Macdonald: Mr. Speaker, with the leave of
the House, I should like to call the attention of the hon. member who is making this motion to the fact that he must indicate what
the letter he requires relates to. The documents in the Department of National Defence are indexed under the subjects to which they relate, not under the names of the individuals who happen to write to the department.


Hewitt Bostock: Stands.



CANADA AND IMPERIAL FOREIGN POLICY

James Shaver Woodsworth: That, in the opinion of this House, Canada should refuse to accept any responsibility for complications arising from the foreign policy of the United Kingdom.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Mr. Speaker, this is the motion to which I made reference earlier in the afternoon. I spoke to my hon. friend about the motion before coming into the House, and I understood that he would be agreeable to allowing it to stand, for the reasons I have already mentioned, namely, that remarks made in the course of debate would almost certainly be cabled to Europe where their bearing might not be understood; it would be inadvisable to incur a risk of the kind while the League of Nations in its assembly at Geneva is considering matters of British foreign policy and of great international import. My hon. friend was quite agreeable to the motion being allowed to stand, seeing that it is first on the order paper and will likely come up again in the near future. He desired I should give him an assurance that there will be no commitment made between now and the time when the motion is discussed. I am pleased to give my hon. friend the assurance, that there will be no commitment |by the government which will prove embarrassing to him or to the country.


Hewitt Bostock: Stands.


Arthur Meighen: I saw the hon. member rise to make his motion. I was just going to add my word to the Prime Minister's expressing the hope that the motion be allowed to stand.


Hewitt Bostock: Stands?


James Shaver Woodsworth: Yes, stands.


Hewitt Bostock: Stands.



HUDSON BAY RAILWAY

[Stage Direction]
On the motion of Mr. MILLAR:
That, in the opinion of this House, the government of Canada should seriously consider the advisability of completing the Hudson Bay railway line to Port Nelson in the year 1926.
Mr. MILLAR:: Dropped.


Hewitt Bostock: Dropped.
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LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE

[Stage Direction]
Mr. J. S. W 0 CXDSW OUT H (Winnipeg North Centre) moved:
That, in the opinion of this House, a wage sufficient to provide for a reasonable standard of living should constitute a legal minimum wage.
He said: Mr. Speaker, I had hoped to take up the resolution standing in my name on establishing a national system of banking, but certain members of the Progressive party who wish to discuss the question are not pre-* pared to go on with it to-day. So I have passed on to this resolution relative to a basic wage. My idea in bringing the resolution before the House is that we should make statutory the guarantees of the Peace treaty. Let me read a clause from that treaty dealing with this matter:
Holding as they do that labour should not be regarded merely as an article of commerce, they think that there are methods for regulating labour conditions which all industrial communities should endeavour to apply, so far as their special circumstances will permit. Among these methods and principles, the following seem to the high contracting parties to be of special and urgent importance.
And among others we find:
3. The payment to the employed of a wage adequate to maintain a reasonable standard of life, as this is understood in their time and country.
I take it, Mr. Speaker, that most of us have given a great deal of thought to the provisions of the Peace treaty of Versailles as they relate to international boundaries. We have perhaps not recognized so clearly that the treaty refers just as definitely to certain industrial relationships and that we, as one of the signatories to the treaty, are under obligation, as are the other signatories, to carry out the clauses with regard to these industrial relationships. I can hardly hope that to-day there may be a discussion sufficiently full to lead to the adoption of so far-teaching a reform as the one which I am proposing, but I could hope that we might at least have this matter referred to our standing committee on Industrial Relations, and that a report could be brought in as to how we in Canada could best carry out the purposes of the treaty. This is one of those rather complicated questions in which the relative jurisdiction of the Dominion and the provinces is concerned. I do not know whether there has been any definite pronouncement with regard to just how far the carrying-out of this particular matter lies within the jurisdiction of the federal authorities, but we ought to have definite information with regard to that matter. It is clearly stated in this clause that labour is not a commodity. So

far in Canada, as elsewhere, we have followed the principle that labour is a commodity. We buy and sell labour in the open market; we give labour what it is worth, as we say, just as we would hire a machine for a certain purpose. We base the returns to labour very largely on what the industry will stand, rather than on what the labourer requires. If we are to carry out the purposes of the treaty we must reverse entirely the principle on which we have been working in this country, ar.d recognize another principle, namely, that a reasonable standard of living is a first charge on industry. Let me repeat that. We shall have to very clearly recognize that other principle, that a reasonable standard of living is the first charge on industry.
Although this question is comparatively new here in Canada it has been under discussion for a number of years in other parts of the uTorld. As early as 1907 Judge Higgins, of the Australian Federal Industrial Court declared that a minimum wage was essential in industry, to allow a standard of living which would give reasonable comfort and supply the normal needs of an average worker regarded as a human being living in a civilized community. In 1909 he led an investigation into the cost of family budgets, and constructed the first budget upon which a general minimum wage might be based. I hold in my hand a bulletin of the New South Wales board of trade, in which I find a report containing a statement of the principle which I would like to have adopted by this House. Part of this report is as follows:
The fixation of the living wage in New South Wales is, by section 79 of the Industrial Aifoitration Act, 1912, as amended, committed to the New South Wales Board of Trade.
"79. (1) The -board of trade shall, from year to year, after public inquiry as to the increase or decrease in the average cost of living, declare what shall be the living wages to be paid to adult male employees and to adult female employees in the state or any defined area thereof.
And again, in clause 2.
No industrial agreement shall be entered into and no award made for wages lower than such living wages.
That is, if we adopted the principle which I enunciated a few minutes ago it would become criminal to employ a man or a woman for less than would provide a decent standard of living, and this standard of living would have to be determined in some way by boards formed for that purpose. In Australia a few years ago we had a report of the royal commission on the basic wage.
Mr. GEARY:: Will the hon. gentleman
allow me a question?

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James Shaver Woodsworth: Certainly.


George Reginald Geary: If the hon. member approves of it being made criminal to pay low wages, what has he to say about allowing goods to come into Canada which are the product of low wages?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I think in that case, Mr. Speaker, we should have to carry out the policy of the British Labour party, and put on a boycott of goods which were produced under unfair conditions. That was the policy of which I spoke in this House last year.


George Reginald Geary: What form of a boycott?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I beg your pardon?


Arthur Meighen: How was the boycott to be enforced?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I think the suggestion offered-again I am referring to the British Labour party-is not a bad one, that we should insist that the standards advocated or set forth by the League of Nations and subsequent conventions should form a standard to which any nation desiring to belong to the civilized community should conform. Then we would insist that any nation which did not conform to these standards should be boycotted.


Arthur Meighen: That is not the question; the question is, how was the boycott to be enforced?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I am not prepared to answer that at a moment's notice.


George Reginald Geary: The hon. gentlemen never
thought protection as being a help, did he?


James Shaver Woodsworth: No, I do not think protection would answer the purpose; we would have to go further than that. I would agree to protection, but it is the protection of the worker and not the protection of the industry, which is a different matter.


George Reginald Geary: It is the same thing.


James Shaver Woodsworth: It is not the same thing. If I could be sure that so-called protection would protect the worker, I might be led to look a great deal more favourably on what has been termed protection, but in some of the most highly protected industries in the United States we find the lowest paid labour.


George Brecken Nicholson: Just as a matter of information, might I ask the hon. gentleman if he would advocate the prohibition of goods entering Canada from countries where the standards of wages were lower than the standards of wages in Canada?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I think this matter would have to be taken up in a large way. There would have to be understandings arrived at through an international body such as the League of Nations. We cannot deal directly with this nation and that nation. It is a matter of our trade with two or three or four different nations.


Arthur Meighen: Why cannot we? If we want to put a prohibition on southern cotton, for instance, because the negroes work cheaply, we can do that. Why not do it?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I think it would have to be part of a larger scheme and not simply picking out one industry or one nation.


Arthur Meighen: Why not deal with them all?


Edward Joseph Garland: Before we prohibit cotton, should we not first learn to grow cotton in this country?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I do not think this discussion is going to get us very far along the line of a basic wage. I would urge that before we deal with other countries, we must have in Canada a wage which forms the basis for a reasonable standard of living. I can quite understand that if we get that we can then deal with these other problems which have been proposed.


Mr. BAKER:: If we have a high standard of wages in Canada in order to maintain a proper standard of living, how are our people going to get work when goods are allowed to enter this country from countries where low wages are paid?


James Shaver Woodsworth: There will be difficulties along that line. We should recognize to-day that we are facing world competition with many nations living on very low standards. There is the other side of the question, however, I might remind the hon. gentleman, that very frequently high wages- are quite compatible with great efficiency, and I am inclined to think that those industries which pay decent or even high wages are in the long run going to win out.
I should like to refer to the report of the Royal Commission on the basic wage in Australia. I must admit that legislation has not so far been enacted along the lines of the report of this commission. This commission was appointed by the government of Australia on December 8, 1919, to report on the minimum or basic wage, to ascertain what was a fair basic wage, how much the sovereign had depreciated in value during the war, and how the basic wage should be
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adjusted to the current cost of living, and in future be adjusted according to changes in the cost of living from time to time. The appointment of the commission had been announced by the Prime Minister,, Right Hon. W. H. Hughes, on October 30, 1919, in the following statement, and I should like to call the attention of the House to this statement which seems to me to contain a great deal of what I am pleading for this afternoon:
If we are to have industrial peace, we must be prepared to pay the price, and that price is justice to the worker. Nothing less will serve. We have long ago adopted in Australia the principle of compulsory arbitration for the settlement of industrial disputes and of the minimtim wage. The cause of much of the industrial unrest, which is like fuel to the fires of Bolshevism and direct action, arises with the real wage of the worker-that is to say, the things he can buy with the money he receives. This real wage decreases with an increase in the cost of living. Now, once it is admitted that it is in the interest of the community that such a wage should be paid as will enable a man to marry and bring up children in decent, wholesome conditions-and that point has been settled long ago- it seems obvious that we must devise better machinery for insuring the payment of such a wage than at present exists. Means must be found which will insure that the minimum wage shall be adjusted automatically, or almost automatically, with the cost of living, so that within the limits of the minimum wage at least the sovereign shall always purchase the same amount of the necessaries of life. The government is, therefore, appointing a Royal Commission to inquire into the cost of living in relation to the minimum or basic wage.
When that commission was appointed it was decided to determine reasonable standards of comfort, not by reference to any one type or group of employees, but by reference to the needs which are common to all employees, following the accepted principle that there is a standard of living below which no employee should be asked to live. I shall not detain the House with any detailed account of the report of this commission, which I hold in my hand, but I may say that there is a very good summary of it published in our own Labour Gazette of April, 1921.
Here in Canada we have made a beginning along the line of the minimum wage, at least in so far as female labour is concerned. In Canada minimum wage bills for female workers were introduced in 1916, and have been enacted to date in seven provinces. In both Canada and the United States there is still very little legislative protection for unskilled, underpaid and unorganized1 male workers, but the principle is accepted. The proposal to have a minimum wage has been adopted so far as women workers are concerned, and further than that, we are quite accustomed to the methods by which that minimum is determined. In seven of the

provinces we are now actually carrying out this work, and it would not be very difficult to extend the methods already adopted and apply them to male labour.
We have one example in Canada of the principle being applied in the case of male labour, and that is in the province of British Columbia, which in a great many respects leads the rest of Canada-I say that for the benefit of my neighbour here (Mr. Neill). Let me quote from the Labour Gazette of January, 1926:
The only (previous Canadian legislation was contained in an amendment to the British Columbia Coal Mines Regulation Act in 1919, providing for the establishment of a Coal Mines Minimum Wage Board, but no such board was ever established under the act. The Alberta Factories Act also was amended in 1918 to provide that "no person shall be employed by any employer in any factory, shop, office or office building at a wage less than $1.50 per shift." With these exceptions, however, no minimum wage law applicable to men was in existence.
There follows in another section of this issue of the Gazette a summary of the British Columbia Male Minimum Wage Act. It provides for the establishment of minimum wages for men employed in nearly all types of industry, the minimum rates to be fixed by the Board of Adjustment under the Hours of Work Act, 1923, which provided for an eight-hour day. The original bill as introduced by Major R. J. Burde provided for a minimum wage for all workers, but later he accepted representations that the bill as it stood would be difficult to apply in practice, and substituted a new bill designed to apply only to workers in the lumber industry. The Minister of Mines desired to have the new bill enlarged to include the coal mining in-dust^, but opposed any further extensions, which he considered would make the act too sweeping and tend to destroy its effectiveness. The legislature, however, decided in the end to accept other amendments restoring the general character of the act and making it applicable to every class of occupation wdth the exception of those mentioned in the last section of the act. The last section reads as follows:
This aot shall apply to occupations other than farm labourers, fruit-pickers, fruit-packers, fruit and vegetable canners, and domestic servants.


Richard Langton Baker: Does the hon. member not think it would be better first to provide work for our unemployed, and discuss the matter of w'ages aftenvards?


James Shaver Woodsworth: I think it is highly desirable to find work-


Richard Langton Baker: First,

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James Shaver Woodsworth: But I submit that one of the surest ways of providing work is to increase the buying power of the people. If we had a larger amount distributed1 in the form of wages there 'would be before long a greater demand for consumable commodities, and the wheels of industry would once more be set to work


Arthur Meighen: How can work be provided by an increased buying power simply for foreign goods?


James Shaver Woodsworth: The right hon.
leader of the opposition suggests that that is the way the principle must work. That does not follow at all. In any case, if we do buy foreign goods we must pay for them by goods we produce and this probably means increased production. The purchase of foreign goods thus provides wider markets for our own goods. There is no doubt about that. If goods come in goods must also go cut.


Richard Langton Baker: That is theory not practice.


James Shaver Woodsworth: Some hon. gentle-; men seem to think that we -must act in a haphazard way that defies all theory. To me, however, it seems that good practice must be founded on sound theory. No one will doubt that if we find markets for Canadian made goods we must receive goods in return.
The further question then confronts us as to how we shall determine what a basic wage really is, and w-hat efforts have been made in other countries along this line. I have in my hand a copy of the United States Department of Labour Statistics containing a "tentative quantity and cost budget necessary to maintain a family of five." There is a very interesting study made here by experts as to how this ought to be made up, and I should like to read just a few paragraphs as they may indicate the line along which the experts are working. I quote as follows:


James Shaver Woodsworth: When the House
took recess I was giving some of the budgets which had been prepared to shew the amount necessary in order that a family might maintain a decent standard of living. Perhaps it might ibe of interest to give the figures with regard to what employees in this country are actually paid. In the 'Canada Year Book, 1924, at page 707, we find the wages in the Canadian manufacturing industries in
1921	and 1922 were:
The average earnings of the 74,884 salaried employees covered in 1922 were 1,787 of the 387,689 factory hands, 937, and of the two classes together, $1,075. In 1921 salaried employees averaged $1,819, wage earners, $996, and all employees, $1,133.
The number of male workers reported increased in
1922	by 3.5 per cent, while the number of female workers was greater by 11.1 per cent. Out of every 1,000 persons employed by manufacturers in 1922, 755 were male and 235 were females: in the preceding year the ratio was 778 to 222.
With regard to the female employees, at least in seven of our provinces there is provision for a minimum wage, but so far, except in British Columbia, there is no provision for minimum wage in the case of male employees. Now, it may be said that there is a very widte discrepancy between the amounts that are considered necessary for a decent standard df living and the amounts actually paid. That is true, and the community is undoubtedly carrying the burden. People of small wage manage to get along-some of them at least-by immense sacrifices to themselves and to their children, entailing a tremendous burden upon the community. I am going to read t-o the House a paragraph or two very typical of the descriptions which are given of the condition of the poorer families of Canada round about Christmas time; we find similar cases in almost all our large cities. The one to which I refer is

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taken from the Toronto Daily Star of Monday, December 14, 1925. It reads
Largest Weekly Wage $24 Since Man Started To Work
"If I could make $20 a week regularly I would be happy."
A sick and doleful man, tossing restlessly underneath soiled bed clothes. His feverish eyes turned in the direction of his wife, who was standing silently in the far corner of the damp and dim little room. She gravely nodded her corroboration.
"kes," she said, "we could do nicely on that."
It didn't seem much to ask of the world-$20 per week for a man slaving in a tannery.
"I once earned $24 a week for awhile," reflected the sick man, as if that time were the financial oasis of his life, when it was all smooth sailing.
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But with five people to support, rent to pay, doctor's bills to meet, food to buy it could hardly be called a princely allowance.	'
This is another of those families that have never got out of the mire. There are three little girls in the family, all, from outward appearances, in various stages of anemia. There was also a little brother, but he died.
It is not to be wondered at if they do look like children whose parents have been skating on thin ice. The $24-a-week days are a thing of the past, and now the father's total earnings for a week cannot be more than $18, and generally he loses two, or perhaps more, days a week. If lie loses two his wages are $12. His rent is $5. Divide the balance by five and you get $1.40. With Jive people getting no more than that each week somebody has to go without.
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Sometimes they get three months behind in the rent, and then it takes them a great deal longer to recover. Invariably they are in debt with the doctor, paying him off sometimes at the rate of 50 cents a week.
This as a typical situation for one of the families on the list of The Star Santa Claus Fund. It is not an isolated case; quite the contrary. There are thousands like it.
The record in any city of any size would show thousands of cases very similar in character to this. That is what it means to the family living on low wages. Just think what a great burden this entails on the community at large. I believe that any medical man will bear me out-and there are a very large number of medical men in. this House -that to no small extent the patients in our hospitals coming from the poorer homes in our cities are there because of the lack of proper care at home. Those who have had anything to do with poor relief in our cities know what large sums are given by the various institutions and societies and by the churches toward the support of the people who are obliged to live below the line. I know of one society in my own city which has had to consider seriously. the question whether or not it was right to supplement by charity the wages paid to the working people there-wages that are altogether inadequate
to support them in anything like a decent standard. We have also the same testimony from our prisons and penitentiaries. A considerable number of the inmates of these institutions were tempted to crime simply because they had to keep themselves on less than would maintain a decent standard of living.
I remember some years ago trying a little experiment of my own. I requested the health officers to give me a spot map showing the location of the contagious diseases in my city over a number of months. I then went to the associated charities and asked them to prepare me a similar map showing where their cases requiring relief were located, and I asked the juvenile court for a spot map indicating in what districts cases of juvenile crime were prevalent. I placed these maps side by side and I found that they were almost identical in detail. I do not know which is the most fundamental-the want of health, or poverty, or juvenile crime, but I would say that the three were closely connected. And the worst is not the effect on the individual or even on the individual family but the effect on the younger children and the coming generation. If we give less than a decent standard of living we simply mortgage the future generation.
Objections to anything like a minimum wage come from two sources. There is sometimes objection on the part of labour itself. It is feared by some labour leaders that the minimum wage might tend to become the maximum, and that, I think, might be a real danger if we proposed to fix a minimum wage in every industry. But I am not talking of a minimum for each industry; all I advocate is a basic wage that would apply to all men, a wage below which it is not safe to allow any family to live. There is also an objection from industry; we are told that industry cannot bear the burden. Well, I suggest that so long as we have such accumulation of wealth as we have in this country we need not worry a great deal about this matter. So long as there are a few people who possess large fortunes while the masses in Canada have comparatively little there is no reason why these masses ought not to have their standards raised. You have but to glance at the income tax returns to realize the very unequal distribution of wealth in Canada, and so long as industries are earning large dividends, so long as our financial institutions are prosperous, there is no reason whatever why individual workmen should subsist on low standards.
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In my opinion any industry that cannot pay its employees a decent wage is parasitic, and that industry might just as well pass out. Surely if an industry is worth carrying on it ought to afford a decent living to the people who are engaged in it. As I said a little while ago, we ought to regard wages as a first charge on industry. As it is to-day, we consider interest as a prior charge; rents are regarded as a prior charge and we have profits in various forms as a prior charge as well. We must reverse this way of thinking, and recognize that wages, which mean the very life of the employee, ought to constitute a first charge on industry. As a matter of fact wre do not treat our employees on as good a principle as we do the lower animals, for we have on the statute books laws for the prevention of cruelty to animals. A man is not allowed to work a horse and not give it proper food; he is not even allowed to keep a wild animal in confinement without adequately caring for it. Yet we have many people in this country who are working for anything but an adequate wage, a wage which would enable them to provide even the barest necessities of life. We ought surely at least to go as far as that.
It is said that dreadful things may happen if this or any other reform, for that matter, is carried out, but I would point out that no dire results have attended the minimum wage for women. It may be that certain employers have been unable to engage the girls they would have liked to employ, and it may be that the costs of production have been somewhat increased and, of course, passed on to the public. But we are coming to recognize that on the whole no serious results have ensued from the enactment of minimum wage laws for women. Why therefore should there be any danger in enacting a similar law for men who have families to support? I am again speaking of a basic wage; I am thinking of those classes of men who generally have been unable to organize themselves into trade unions and who therefore are the most helpless in our community life.
Perhaps I might pause for a moment to answer a little more fully a suggestion that has been made, that in the event of a minimum wage law being carried into effect there might be a danger of there not being enough work available for those seeking employment. I would call the attention of the House to a very interesting treatment of the Economics of Unemployment by Mr. J. A. Hobson, the well known British economist. In this book issued about a year or so ago he takes the

point of view that on the whole the present organization of industry has really allowed for an altogether undue proportion of savings, which have been put into fixed capital-that is to say, into factories, railways and so on, and that whilst undoubtedly this great piling up of capital that has gone on in the past has conduced to build up our present civilization, the time is about come when this is in danger of becoming top-heavy, and when, if we wish to save this system, we shall have to alter it very materially.
His line of reasoning is something like this. Supposing we have a factoiy turning out $100,000 worth of goods, and supposing $50,000 worth of that output is paid in the form of wages or for raw materials-I am not giving exact proportions; this is simply to illustrate -the owner of the factory is able to retain for himself $50,000. He does not spend that foolishly on himself, as a good many who are opposed to the system imagine he does; he puts the greater part of it back into the business. He does it because he follows tradition; he does it because his competitors are doing so; he does it because of the very necessity of his growing trade. Therefore he puts a good portion of his profits back into his business, and next year, we will say, with his enlarged factoiy he turns out $200,000 worth of goods. Now he is able to retain a half of that, $100,000, with which he builds new factories. This process continues until on all sides we have very large and extensive means of production. Ultimately he seeks investments abroad, and the same process is repeated there. One hundred or one hundred and fifty years ago this capitalist system, control of factories in the hands of the few, came into existence, and undoubtedly it has produced most remarkable results in the extension of factory and railway investments all over the world.
But the point is that now we have set up factories in China, in India and in other places, all organized on the same principle, all turning out huge quantities of goods for which markets have to be sought. Mr. Hobson has come to the conclusion-and without doubt he is one of the leading economists in Great Britain-that there is an altogether undue proportion of what is produced put into fixed capital. The workers have not sufficient purchasing power to buy back what they have produced. He suggests that if a larger proportion were put into commodities we would start industry going again. I am giving that theory for what it is worth. It is not altogether the theory that I should like to advance, it is not altogether the theory that is held by

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the group which I represent, but I give it because it comes from a man of undoubted authority in the economic world.
I think there is one particular in which he is correct-that the ownership of the means of production being in the hands of a few has, as Keynes clearly pointed out in his book, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, enabled capitalists to retain the greater part of the cake which they and the workers in the community have been producing. That has been going on for a good many years, and it has been satisfactory perhaps from the world's standpoint for some time, but we are fast coming to the point where those countries which formerly were the markets for our goods are now becoming our competitors in the manufacture of similar goods. In a word, we are being thrown back upon ourselves, and it is well worth our considering whether from the larger economic aspects we would not, as Hobson has suggested, gain by distributing a great deal more in the form of wages and services than we are doing at the present time.
However, I am not arguing from the larger economic aspects of the question. I am trying to look at the situation from the standpoint of the individual family and of the groups that to-day are living on too small a wage. I would ask that to-night this House should in some way provide means for the discussion of this question and for the carrying out of the avowed purposes of the clauses in the Versailles treaty. Perhaps I may be permitted to quote to the government from a document that I have been quoting to the House pretty regularly at intervals for the last four years. The National Liberal convention in August 1919 put itself on record with regard to labour and industry as follows:
Resolved that the committee recommends that the National Liberal convention accept in their entirety as a part of the Liberal platform in the spirit they have been framed and in so far as the special circumstances of the country will permit, the terms of the labour convention and general principles associated with the League of Nations and incorporated in the conditions of peace.
These methods and principles for regulating labour conditions so set forth in the treaty are as follows:
1. The guiding .principles that labour should not be regarded merety as a commodity or article of commerce.
3. The payment to the employed of a wage adequate to maintain a reasonable standard of life as this is understood in their time and country.
I think, Mr. Speaker, that in presenting this resolution and asking that the guarantees of the Peace treaty should be made statutory, I am simply asking that the programme of the Liberal party-now the government of this country-should be carried out.


Alan Webster Neill: Mr. Speaker, I am glad by seconding this resolution to be associated with the subject matter of it. If I had any fault to find with it, I would say that it hardly went far enough. It is too academic in its character:
That, in the opinion of this House, a wage sufficient to provide for a reasonable standard of living should constitute a legal minimum wage.
I would have preferred something a little more mandatory, or a little more suggestive of action being taken by the government to carry out the purpose of the resolution. I do not think that any employer or any representative of an association of employers, however reactionary they or he may be, could have any objection to the passage of this resolution worded as it is.
I take exception somewhat to the remarks of the introducer of the resolution about there being some dubiety as to whether its subject matter comes under the jurisdiction of the Dominion or of the provinces, for I think that was thoroughly threshed out some four years ago. The question arose then more particularly in connection with the eight-hour law, and it was, I think, decided on the very best obtainable legal authority that it was entirely a matter for the provinces, coming under that section of the British North America Act which gives to the provinces exclusive jurisdiction in dealing with civil rights.


James Shaver Woodsworth: Mr. Speaker, might I ask the hon. gentleman if this is not a somewhat different proposal?


Alan Webster Neill: I think the reference then
made covered this branch too, although I would not be dogmatic about it. Now, in British Columbia we are particularly sympathetic with this resolution for three reasons: first, on general principles; second, because we have already taken steps in this direction; and third, because we hope that this may be a solution, or at any rate a partial solution, of Asiatic competition.


An hon. MEMBER:: Oh, oh.


Alan Webster Neill: My hon. friend laughs because he thinks I could not go very far without bringing in the Asiatics. But perhaps he will allow me to say it is a much more important question in British Columbia than it is in his province. While we hope we may be able to deal with the question of further Asiatic immigration by imposing effective restrictions, the economic competition of those who are already here can, we think, be most suitably met by some legislation along the lines of a minimum wage bill, because if a minimum wage is imposed, the desire to
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Mr. PETER HEENAN (Kenora-Rainy River):: In rising to say a few words in
support of this resolution, I observe that it calls for a wage sufficient to provide for a reasonable standard of living to be adopted as the legal minimum wage. That seems to me to be getting into the field of provincial rights. It would be difficult, I am sure, to find either in any of the provincial Houses or in this House any man who would say that a fair and reasonable wage should not prevail, and it is not difficult to get resolutions along that line passed1, but very little in the way of results follows from the passing of these resolutions unless they are backed up by legislation, such as we have in Ontario, and a minimum wage board is appointed. Like my good friend from Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Woodsworth), I moved a resolution on the floor of the Ontario legislature in 1924, which read as follows:
Resolved that it is the opinion of this House a clause shall be inserted in all contracts made by the government for the sale of timber or puLpwood, or for the development of water-powers, providing that the wages to be paid by the concessionaire shall be not less than the wages as are generally accepted as current in each trade for competent workmen in the district where the work is carried out. And when renewals or transfers are made or where the terms embodied in contracts now in existence are not fulfilled, the government shall avail ilself of the opportunity to insert such a clause.
To that resolution an amendment was moved by the premier of the province, adding the words:
-in so far as due regard to vested rights and justice may permit.
As we had no desire to do anything to hurt vested rights or justice, we let the resolution go through with that amendment, but notwithstanding that the resolution was carried
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by the Ontario legislature and thereby became an order of the House, although there have been some timber contracts and water power leases made since then, I am informed that this clause has not been included in any of them, I mention that just as an illustration of how resolutions of this kind passing the House promiscuously will accomplish little unless they are backed up by legislation, except, of course, that they do serve to express the opinion of the House. .
I shall not take up the time of the House further, because I think my hon. friend from Winnipeg North Centre has covered the ground very fully. In order to get somewhere -because there is a question here of disputed jurisdiction and authority-I think ithe government should accept the suggestion made by my hon. friend and refer this matter to the committee on Industrial Relations. I realize, of course, it is difficult to refer a matter to a committee which is not yet in existence, but probably the leader of the government can find some way of deferring the discussion or adjourning the debate until after the committee has been constituted, and then this question could be referred to that committee.
Hon. J H. ICING (East Kootenay): I do not think any of us will take exception to the wording of the resolution proposed by my hon. friend from Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Woodsworth):
That in the opinion of this House a wage sufficient to provide for a reasonable standard of living should constitute a legal minimum wage.
As my hon. friend has outlined to-day to the House, during the negotiations preceding the Versailles treaty, when the representatives of the different nations assembled in solemn conference were trying to arrive at resolutions or formulae that would improve conditions in the - world, much time was given in trying to realize the desire and hope that out of that great conflict there would come better conditions for Labour. That conference did express the firm desire that in the different countries concerned this principle should prevail:
The payment to the employed of a wage adequate to maintain a reasonable standard of life as this is understood in their time and country.
That is from article 427 of the treaty. My hon. friend to-day has kept his wording pretty much within the limits of the principle there laid down. It is true that in the Dominion of Canada this question is not a new one. In seven of the provinces we have the principle accepted and a minimum wage law applied to certain classes of female workers. Among those provinces we find both the older and the [Mr. Heenan.l
new provinces-Nova Scotia, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Alberta and British Columbia. British Columbia has gone probably a little further than the other provinces, for not only have we a minimum wage for certain classes of female workers, but we have also gone into the field of male workers, particularly in the lumber industry.
But the question is, how shall we arrive at our object, and what are our powers? A reference was made to our courts and in June last a decision was given which set out the powers relative to hours of labour in industrial employment. The judgment set out that the legislative authority on this subject belonged to the provinces, that if the power to legislate for an eight-hour day is vested in the provinces, presumably the latter are wage matters. That having been decided by our courts and the provinces having already moved in the matter, and having set up minimum wage boards dealing with certain classes of labour, the field is cleared to some extent. It is, I think, conceded on all sides that this is a provincial problem. Personally I do not think there would be any harm-in fact much good might come from the suggestion of the mover of the resolution in this respect-in an adjournment of the debate, and later, when the committees are formed, a reference of the resolution to the committee on Industrial and International Relations. It is a subject that would stand inquiry and investigation by a committee of this House, although this parliament would not necessarily be committed to legislation along those lines. Our committees are not yet constituted, but they will be within a few hours, and I would suggest that that course be followed. I now move the adjournment of the debate.
Motion agreed to and debate adjourned.



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Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG (East Lambton) moved:: '
That in the opinion of this House, attention be given to the development of the coal resources of Canada, and the delivery of this product at the lowest cost, in order to meet the urgent need for this fuel for manufacturing and domestic uses: and
That a committee composed of members of this House be appointed to investigate our present sources of supply of anthracite and bituminous coal. The dependability of such sources, and whether the prices .paid by the Canadian consumer is fair and reasonable, and to also inquire as to the methods of mining and delivering Canadian coal in the best and cheapest way to all parts of the Dominion, for the purpose of giving employment to our workmen, freight to our transportation companies, and thus effecting a saving of money now spent for this commodity in other countries.

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He said: Mr. Speaker, the resolution is one that deserves the consideration of every member of this House. There is no question as to the need of the development of our coal resources. Next to the United States, Canada has the largest coal reserves in the world. Their exploitation is in its infancy. The extremes of our east and west have large coal fields. Central Canada, the area where the need of coal is acutely felt, holds the key to the situation. This area, comprising all the province of Ontario and that part of the province of Quebec from the Ontario boundary east to Montreal, is the centre of the Canadian manufacturing and population density. Its main source of fuel for a long time has been the coal fields of the United States, which are nearer to it by rail and water routes than the coal fields of western Canada, or those of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia in the east. We have only to look for a few minutes at the facts contained in the Statistical Year Book to convince us that the coal mines of Canada contain an unlimited supply of fuel suitable for our needs, and that the only problems to be solved are those of transportation and the regulations governing the mining and handling of this product, including its proper standardization and analysation. The Canada Year Book at page 26 contains the following statement:
Canada's coal resources are only now being exploited to any considerable extent, the estimated total reserves available amounting to one trillion, two hundred and thirty-four billions, two-hundred and sixty-nine million, three hundred and ten thousand metric tons, approximately one sixth of the world's reserve; over eighty-five per cent of the Canadian reserves are in Alberta. The total estimated reserves constitute one-quarter of the amount of coal available in North and South America.
Then again on page 62 this statement appears :
The anomaly of this situation is heightened if we consider that Canada's present coal consumption is about thirty-five million tons annually as against reserves of one trillion, two hundred and thirty-four billion two hundred and eighty nine million metric tons, sufficient for an unthinkably long period at the present rate of consumption. The coal production in 1923 amounted to 16,990,571 tons, valued at $72,058,986, or an average of $4.33 per ton. This represented an increase of 1,833,140 tons or 7.8 per cent in quantity as compared with the previous year. The production was obtained by mines in which were employed on the average of 30,300 men at a wage cost of approximately $42,321,990.
Referring to the production during 1923, Alberta held the first place among the coal-producing provinces with an output of 6,854,397 tons; Nova Scotia followed closely with 6,597,838 tons; the output of coal from the mines of British Columbia and the Yukon


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amounted to 2,823,619 tons, while Saskatchewan mined 438,100 tons and New Brunswick 276,617 tons. During 1923, 22,687,320 tons of foreign coal were imported into Canada. Had four-fifths of this amount of coal been obtained from Canadian mines, over $100,000,000 would have been left in Canada. Thirty-five thousand men would have had employment at a cost of some $50,000,000, and our railways would have benefited by the additional traffic. Canada spends annually from $120,000,000 to $135,000,000 for coal produced outside her own territory.
I am well aware that efforts have been made by former parliaments, both local and federal, to deal with the Dominion fuel situation. A committee composed of members of this House, was appointed in 1923, and a committee composed of members of the Senate was appointed in 1923 for the purpose of investigating this matter. Although they gathered a lot of information, no definite action has been taken. It might be well to place on record a few of the findings of these different committees, and in order that we may appreciate the fact that the only source of information we have through the Printing Bureau is found in the report of the two committees in question, which I intend to refer to, I will read the following letter from Mr. Acland, King's Printer:-
I beg to acknowledge the receipt of your communication of the 11th instant and to enclose herewith a copy of the report of the special committee of the House of Commons on mines and minerals, dealing with the question of the Canadian fuel supply. Also a copy of a report of the report of the special committee of the Senate on the same question. These reports are dated 1923, and are the only ones in our possession dealing with the fuel question.
Now if we will look at the report of the select standing committee on Mines and Minerals of the House of Commons, page 7, we find the following statement:-
Your committee has heard much evidence from various parts of Canada on every phase of the questions sumitted to it in said resolution. One statement may be made without any hesitation, that is, that it is absolutely necessary that every step possible should and must be taken at once by Canada through its government, its transportation companies, its coal operators and manufacturers of other fuels, to make Canada independent of other countries for its fuel supply. The economic question alone should move all Canadians to put forth every exertion to attain this object. Canada cannot for long continue paying to foreign countries millions of dollars yearly for fuel and hope to maintain its economic independence. One has only to consider this for a short time to see where such a condition will ultimately land us. Yet another consideration along this line is the fact that the United States, our chief source of supply, could not last year give Canada the usual supply, and many cases of extreme hardship and suffering were brought to the attention of the committee through lack of domestic fuel. No fault, however, can be found with the United States Fuel Control Board for this short-
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age, as they treated Canada fairly, but a note of warning was sent out by the fuel board last winter, which should be taken to heart by Canadians. That was in effect that Canada could not hope in the future to get the usual supply of anthracite from the United States.
Your committee is able to point out from the evidence adduced that Canada has ample resources of coal for all purposes for ages to come. The chief sources of supply are in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Alberta and British Columbia. One fact struck your committee very forcibly, that is, that a large percentage of the population of central Canada have strange delusions regarding Canadian coal; they think we have no suitable domestic coal. What is wanted in this connection is propaganda, an advertising throughout Canada of the true value of Canadian coal and in this connection your committee would like to point out that up until two years ago the fuel needs of Winnipeg were supplied to the extent of 85 per cent by United States anthracite. Through the continued efforts of the Alberta government and coal operators 90 per cent of the Winnipeg coal needs are now supplied from Alberta.
The committee goes on to emphasize the fact that the time has come when the government should act in connection with this matter and take immediate steps to bring about a remedy for the situation complained of.
The special committee	of	the Senate	appointed to inquire into	the	matter of	the
fuel supply of Canada, in their final report make these statements:
There is an abundance of evidence to the effect that the coal areas of Canada, east and west, are sufficient to supply the fuel needs of our entire population for an indefinite period of time.	In	other words	thereis no shortage of coal in Canada, neither is there a lack of developed mines. A large percentage of the collieries now in operation-more particularly those in western Canada-are capable of increasing their output to a very considerable extent with little or no capital cost, and would undoubtedly	do	so if markets	for
their increased output were available. In the coal fields of the east, the situation is somewhat different. Many of the mines of that area would not be able to increase production to any material extent without the expenditure of very large sums of money on capital account.
As regards Nova Scotia coal your committee are of the opinion that central Canada in the future may be able to secure a much larger share of its requirements of bituminous coal from that source provided navigation, storage, handling and shipping facilities west of Montreal are improved.
Your committee is impressed with the necessity of having this phase of our fuel problem more thoroughly investigated and recommends that the Dominion Fuel Board should continue its investigations along this line.
They continue to emphasize the fact that immediate action should be taken and make statements such as this:
To a certain extent anthracite coal may be regarded as a luxury, and the sooner the public realize this fact, the less danger there will be of being haunted by the nightmare of a coal famine.
During the recent emergency period considerable anthracite coal was imported from Wales and Scotland and is still being brought in. The Fuel Controller of Ontario gave evidence to the effect that this coal is of the highest quality and is worth at least $3 per ton more than the ordinary grades of United

States anthracite. To the extent that this British coal is imported, our dependence on United States anthracite is lessened, and ocean tonnage for our exports is increased.
This report merely emphasizes, as I said before, the fact that the government should take immediate action along the line of trying to solve this very important problem. The Dominion Fuel Board created by the Canadian Government has done much useful work, but their powers are limited. Premiers of provinces and fuel controllers in those provinces have made an earnest effort to solve the fuel question. Members of parliament, and senators have met with fuel controllers in the different provinces for this same purpose. I will not take up the time c>f this House reviewing the work already done, but the facts are that no definite action has been taken by any government and we are still dependent on our southern neighbours for our winter warmth and our industrial fuel.
It is highly desirable that a policy should be adopted which will ensure Canada against dependence upon the present precarious source of her fuel supply. It is a matter that vitally affects every home in Canada and every industry in Canada, hence every member of parliament should be actively interested in it. It is not for any one group or party in this House to undertake to solve the problem, nor is it a question for provincial governments alone to deal with, although they can materially assist. The Dominion government cannot shift the responsibility to local governments; local governments could not control the situation and months and years would go by with nothing accomplished. We have just passed through a crisis in relation to the coal question which might very easily have become a calamity. The Dominion parliament must recognize the importance and seriousness of the Canadian coal situation and regard it from the standpoint of a national emergency. If parliament will form a committee composed of eleven members of this House, one from each province, two from Ontario and two from Quebec-these provinces, owing to their large population, being the most vitally interested-and will give that committee a wide scope in their investigation of the problems outlined in my resolution, I am firmly convinced that parliament could be supplied with important data regarding this problem. This committee should frame recommendations for a national fuel policy to be considered by the Canadian and provincial governments, with their experts on transportation and co-related activities, before any definite action be taken.

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It would be the duty of this committee to consider the various phases of the fuel situation, as it affects producers and consumers. The rights of the consumer must be adequately safeguarded. No company should be able to palm off low quality fuel, or give stones to those who pay for coal. The most pressing need of tins industry to-day is transportation. The Dominion government will have to take responsibility in this matter.
I am fully persuaded that with a proper policy of co-operation and the working out of a programme of transportation such as this committee would present to parliament, a solution of this problem could be reached. Failure to grant the request will mean years of delay. In order that a satisfactory settlement of this question may be brought about, co-operation between the local and Dominion governments must be attained, and the basis of all arrangements should be mutual confidence and mutual goodwill. I am fully persuaded that with a proper policy of co-operation between the local and Dominion governments and between the public and the industry, this problem can be solved with mutual advantage to all. Unified control is the most economical method-the only method, in my opinion-of supplying the central provinces with fuel from the east and west. For instance, if the mine owners are at liberty to increase the price at the mines beyond a reasonable amount, or the transportation companies raise their rates, then the whole structure falls.
The fuel controllers in the different provinces will be useful witnesses as to actual conditions. The premiers and ministers of mines of the various provinces should have an opportunity to express their views before the committee, as well as other prominent men who are interested in this problem. The meetings of this committee should not be held especially for the cross-examination of witnesses, but to receive information tendered in a co-operative spirit. In other words, the committee in making this inquiry is seeking no victims for its wrath but seeking information as to the probable trend of the coal industry, the methods needed for its protection and advancement, and the possibilities which the future may hold for its development. The committee in preparing its report for the government should have the views of a number of leaders in this industry and those connected with transportation companies.
In the second paragraph you will notice I ask that the committee investigate our present sources of supply of anthracite and bituminous coal, the dependability of such 14011-100i
sources and whether the price paid by the Canadian consumer is fair and reasonable. This will be an easy matter for the committee to handle, and one in which the officials of this government would be asked to assist, along with the officials of our local governments. With the enormous supplies of bituminous coal, coal that belongs to the people of Canada in our eastern and western provinces, we can depend upon a supply of domestic fuel. Bituminous coal is the only heat producing material of which we have an adequate supply to provide for a long time in the future. Our people should also remember that anthracite coal can no longer remain the mainstay of the Canadian household. Even if the supplies were continuous, it is insufficient. The output of the anthracite mines has remained stationary for many years, in the face of a growing population dependent upon it, and during the last ten years the price has nearly doubled, adding to the domestic fuel bill of the people of the United States an amount estimated at forty million dollars a year and many millions to the fuel bill of the people of Canada. Within the next ten years we must replace a large part of our present anthracite coal supply with some other form of heat. Sooner or later we must learn to manage without anthracite, and the sooner we learn to use other fuels the better. Competition must be introduced into an industry where monopoly is threatened. Fuel oil has during the last few years promised an avenue of escape, but at best this can only be temporary. We must look elsewhere.
I have in my possession enough material to convince any serious-minded man that the Canadian people have passed through a serious crisis owing to the shortage of coal. We must remember that eastern Canada's present annual coal requirements amount to about twenty million tons, and if it were transported from the west it would be equivalent to transporting an additional 600 million bushels of grain from west to east. Arrangements for the transportation of this immense quantity of coal could not be made in a few months. Could Canadian coal be utilized we would help Alberta and Nova Scotia and save for Canada annually very large- sums which now go to the coal barons of the United States. The last part of the resolution reads:
And to also inquire as to the methods of mining and delivering Canadian coal in the best and cheapest way to all parts of the Dominion, for the purpose of giving employment to our workmen, freight to our transportation companies, and thus effecting a saving of money now spent for this commodity in other countries.
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The latter part of this paragraph is an accepted fact, providing that we can solve the first part, that is, to inquire into the methods of mining and delivering Canadian coal in the best and cheapest way to all parts of the Dominion. A plan to assure purchase of stated amounts of Alberta coal and to bring it to central Canada at a rate that will allow of an attractive selling price for home or factory is conceded to be the need of the hour. This is a problem to which the Alberta and Ontario governments are giving their attention. They cannot definitely settle it without the aid of the Canadian government. One of the first questions that should come before the committee is the question of water transportation of coal from Nova Scotia to Quebec and Montreal, including loading and unloading facilities at the points named.
Another matter that should receive the early attention of the committee is the handling of Alberta coal by lake and rail. I have given a great deal of personal attention to this phase of the question and believe that I am in a position to place before the committee indisputable statements that will completely change the preconceived idea that we must look to the railroads alone to solve this problem of transportation. The railroads will be expected to handle the coal from the Alberta mines to the head of the lakes, under improved transportation facilities. By the use of car tipples coal can be unloaded into boats at the rate of forty cars per hour, and if the capacity of the cars is from 50 to 75 or 100 tons a boat will be loaded in a few hours. The machinery for the unloading of coal from cars into boats has been greatly improved during the past few years and the likelihood of loss through the disintegration of coal has been largely eliminated. The coal is taken from open cars to a closed vessel and not exposed again or jarred as it would be over the railroad, owing to the starting and stopping of the trains. This coal if taken to Ontario ports by boat could be unloaded by the most improved machinery very quickly, and at a tremendous saving to the people.
I am credibly informed that coal can be loaded at Port Arthur and Port William, and delivered by boat to such ports as Midland, Owen Sound and Goderich on lake Huron at less than one dollar per ton; that the same coal can be delivered at Sarnia, Wallaceburg, Windsor and lake Erie ports at $1 per ton from Port Arthur and Fort William; and at Hamilton, Toronto and Kingston at a little over $1 per ton from the same ports. Midland is 90 miles from Toronto by rail and cars can be loaded direct from the boat. Other ports

could be used in a like manner for inland delivery.
Consider the tremendous saving in freight, why should this not be investigated? And what better means of investigation than by a committee composed of members of this House? This proposition will require the expenditure of public money* for the building of the car tipples and unloading devices, and perhaps the fitting up of some of our merchant marine vessels to carry the coal. We have spent millions, yes, tens of millions of public money, in building public docks, piers and elevators, for the handling of grain. Why not a little to help bring Alberta coal to Ontario and Nova Scotia coal to Quebec? Private individuals or companies will not undertake this work, nor will provincial governments do it. It is for this government to undertake it, and the committee will show the way.
Let me give you a few facts to support my arguments. Ninety per cent of the people in the state of Michigan burn bituminous coal similar to the Alberta coal. Boats from Toledo and Cleveland supply nearly all the ports between Detroit and Duluth in the United States, and even carry coal to Port Arthur and Fort William. Twenty-six million long tons of coal were carried by boat up the lakes from Cleveland and 28,000,000 tons were carried by boat from Toledo.
The Pringle Barge Line Company, whose headquarters are at Cleveland, Ohio, carries all the coal used by the Imperial Oil Company of Sarnia, the Morton Salt Company of Port Huron, the Edison Electric Company of Port Huron and the Diamond Crystal Salt Company of St. Clair. These four firms use in excess of half a million tons of coal per year, and each of them is equipped in a crude way for unloading to their docks and sometimes the boats are delayed. Mr. Pringle says that he has a contract running over a term of years with these firms, and for the purpose he is having one of his boats equipped with a self-unloading conveyor so that he can go to any port and unload his own boat.
This conveyor system installed in the boat seems to be an excellent plan, as no further equipment on the dock is necessary to unload vessels. The conveyor bucket system does not break the coal up nearly as much as using any other type such as clam shell.
The Morton Salt Company of Port Huron, Michigan, make this statement:-
The cost of unloading boats depends on the style or shape of the boat. For instance, we use a Mead-Mor-rison unloading rig with a three-ton clam. We have unloaded some boats for less than 3 cents a ton; others have cost as high as 5 cents or 0 cents, due to the trimming necessary to transfer the coal to where the clam could get at it. Then, the size and style oI

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the unloading rig have a lot to do with it, and if an automatic trimmer is used, it reduces the cost materially, for the greatest cost is in the trimming.
Mr. Thomas Draper, Port Huron, Michigan, well posted in these matters, says:-
Last week while in Cleveland I had an interview with Mr. J. P. Doyle, Sales Manager of the Pittsburg Coal Co., Cleveland. This firm is one of the largest distributors of coal in the United States, having fleets of tow boats and barges on the Ohio and Mississippi rivers and also many boats on the Great Lakes. Mr. Doyle stated they generally load their boats with the car dumpers which are installed at the different lake Erie docks and they unload with the McMyler whorlies. These are of all sizes, from 2£ to 5 ton. He showed me several statements where vessels of 5,800 to 6,000 tons were unloaded to cars or docks at an average cost of 9 cents per ton. These whorlies swing on a radius of about 54 feet. He further mentioned that at Algonquin and Soo docks, where they unload a great deal of coal, they use 2^ ton whorlies which they run almost constantly during the 24 hours, and at these busy points the cost of unloading is about 7 cents per ton. I have further information that most of the stone boats unload very much cheaper than this by means of a conveyor system the same as the Pringle Barge Lines are installing for the coal trade in the St. Clair river. This latter plan does not require any machinery on the dock as the boats can run it into any dock and unload with their own machinery.
The railroads claim that the lowest rate coal can be carried from Alberta points to points in Ontario is $9 per ton. The National Railways this year agreed to bring 25,000 tons at $7 and did bring 18,000 tons, which was distributed to about 180 different localities in Ontario and shipments were then discontinued until after western grain had been moved. However, the lake and rail haul is feasible, and it would, of course, be cheaper than all rail. Port Arthur and Fort William are about 1,200 miles from Edmonton, while Toronto is 2,000, and coal ought to be carried to the head of the lakes for three-fifths of the through rate. Taking $9 as a basis, I consider that coal should be carried to the head of the lakes for $5.40.
In regard to cost of the lake haul, United States coal is now carried from lake Erie points to the head of the lakes at 60 cents per ton, exclusive of 5 cents for loading and 10 cents for unloading. Iron ore from Duluth to lake Erie ports is carried at $1 per long ton of 2,240 pounds, and as most of the vessels carrying ore down the lakes return light, a one-way cargo at $1 per ton evidently pays all expenses. The grain rate from Duluth to Buffalo is 1J cents per bushel or 50 cents per ton.
I am advised by marine experts that if $1 per ton were offered on coal, Port Arthur or Fort William to Georgian bay, Windsor or lake Erie points, it would be the best paying freight on the lakes and be very attractive to vessel owners. From the figures I have it may be assumed that a rail-and-water rate
on Alberta coal should be less than $7 per
ton, made up as follows:
Edmonton to Port Arthur	 $5 40
Loading to boat	 40
Boat charge	 1 00
Unloading	 10
Total	 56 60
I have gone very thoroughly into loading and unloading methods, and can report that up-to-date coal dumpers, including graded trucks, capable of dumping 2,000 tons per hour could be installed at a cost of from $400,000 to $500,000, and these would dump gondola or any kind of open cars. There are already a number of ports on Georgian Bay, as well as Sarnia, Windsor and some lake Erie ports, that are equipped to unload coal.
I have obtained information with regard to the loading system of the Hocking Valley Railway at Toledo, where two coal tipples last year, up to December 11th, transferred from cars to boats more than 8,000,000 tons of coal. Each of these tipples has a capacity of 2,000 tons per hour rating on 50 ton cars, but this is greatly increased when they dump 60, 70, 80, 90 or 100 ton cars, as they take no longer to dump than 50-ton cars. On this average for the season, it costs less than 5 cents per ton to transfer from cars to boats. During the loading of the steamer Henry Ford at the Baltimore & Ohio docks in Toledo recently, the actual time of dumping a large gondola car was about one and a half minutes, and it takes about the same time to handle the cars on and off the tipple, so that the capacity of this tipple is about 40 cars per hour.
We collect $135,000,000 of Canadian money and send it to the United States for coal. What do we get for it? Then we collect from our people another $135,000,000 to send again to the United States next year. And so the grind goes on while our miners and their families are starving and our resources lie undeveloped.
Would not this Dominion government be justified in spending a million dollars in equipping two unloading docks at Port Arthur and Fort William, and another million for largo gondola cars for the special coal traffic? This would mean increased labour for Canadian railroad men, Canadian steamboat employees and Canadian coal miners of the West. The latter would have an all the year trade, instead of for only a few months as at present. If this arrangement could be worked out, the mine owners would soon reduce the cost of mining, for their overhead would then be spread over an entire year instead of a few months as at present, and the miners would take less wages for steady work all the year round.
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Our western provinces have learned the lesson of carrying anthracite coal by lake and rail to Winnipeg and the west. It was like carting coal to Newcastle as the great province of Alberta is practically undermined with coal. Ninety per cent of the coal now used in Winnipeg comes from Alberta. And then in the east we have the province of Nova Scotia which has enormous mines of coal capable of supplying the eastern provinces for ages to come.
We might well ask:	If grain and cattle
can be carried at preferential rates from the western provinces, why cannot coal be granted the same rates?
Let me quote the Montreal Star of February 6, 1926:
Winnipeg, Man., Feb. 8th. Roughly speaking one and a half per cent of the 195,637,112 bushels of grain shipped by the Canadian Pacific Railway since the opening of the season, August 1, 1925, to January 31, 1026, went by the all rail route or exactly 3,182,198 bushels. About one-eighth or 30,210,134 bushels travelled out through the port of Vancouver and all the remainder, or fully 85 per cent, was shipped via Fort William. Figures to this effect were issued by the Canadian Pacific transportation department.
This is an interesting statement, proving the advantage of lake as well as rail transportation. If grain can be so carried, why not coal? The same boats could be used for both. If 75 per cent of the wheat can be carried by lake and rail, why not coal?
Robert James Manion: Has my hon. friend any
figures on the cost of handling coal from the head of the lakes to lake Huron and other ports?


Ernest Frederick Armstrong: I have
given that information in a definite statement to the effect that it should not cost one dollar per ton to all the ports along lake Huron, and that it should not exceed one dollar a ton to all the ports along the St. Clair river and lake Erie. Coal could be taken through the canals to Toronto for very little over one dollar per ton. Does that answer my hon. friend's question?


Robert James Manion: Yes.


Ernest Frederick Armstrong: The manufacturers of the United States and Canada have partly solved their fuel problems by transferring the business of supplying power from the industrial manufacturers to the great electric power companies. The result of this move has been highly satisfactory. The great electric companies can manufacture and deliver power far more economically than the industrial plant because of the magnitude of their operations. Many of the great power
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companies in the United States are deeply interested in the coal mining business.
In the United States to-day there is a movement towards consolidations within the industry. Within the past few weeks a merger of fourteen big coal properties in eastern Kentucky, southwestern Virginia and west Virginia has been formed into a $10,000,000 combination-small compared with other mergers, but a straw which shows the direction of the tide.
Then there is a growing tendency in the United States for the users of coal to make sure of their own supply. It is apparent all along the line, from steel mills to the latest combinations, that of electric companies which produce electricity by the use of coal. This may in the near future bring about a complete dismemberment of the industry and its apportionment in amounts large and small to the industries to which it furnishes power.
Another question we should take into consideration is that industrial expansion in the United States is making a problem of transportation. The western states are becoming more industrialized and populated. These states in the future will require more coal and will be up against a similar problem to that of Canada in transporting fuel long distances.
It is possible that the consumption of coal could be reduced by extending hydro electric power to replace some of the present uses of coal. But it must also be taken into account that the hydro electric situation in the province of Ontario is acute, and that in the near future, unless the coal users can take off the peak power, there will not be sufficient available power, especially in western Ontario. For some years past the Hydro Electric Power Commission of the province has had under consideration the building of coal burning plants in order to assist in furnishing additional hydro electric power. Should the manufacturing industries of Ontario increase their output to any great extent within the next year or two, the hydro electric power situation would become more serious and the commission would be compelled to establish coal burning centres in order to supply the needs of the people and their industries. The water power used in 1924 in Ontario represented 7,800,000 tons of coal, which would have added to the complicated fuel situation if coal alone had been the source of power.
The Dominion government at the last session passed an act granting a subsidy on coke manufactured from Canadian coal. While this legislation has only been taken advantage of to a limited extent, it is a question that should be considered by this committee.

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Nearly all the large coke producing plants in the cities of Ontario and Quebec at present use United States bituminous coal. I have asked several gentlemen connected with these firms why they are not using coal from Nova Scotia or the west. Their answer has been that they have not been able to obtain a sufficient supply from Alberta at prices which they considered reasonable; and from what I can understand the coke producing plants, such as the gas companies in Quebec, Montreal and Ottawa claim that the coal produced in the province of Nova Scotia contains too much sulphur for them to manufacture a suitable gas to be consumed in the cities before mentioned. This question should also be investigated, as it has been a somewhat easy matter for the sulphur in natural gas to be eliminated before it is passed on to the consumer. This condition might be overcome in a similar way by the gas companies.
In several of the states of the Union gas companies have been active in developing the coke market. If this product is skilfully produced, handled, sized and marketed, coke can be sold at nearly the same price as anthracite. If the full possibilities of this market in our cities were developed and the proceeds of coke sales deducted from the cost of gas, the consumers of gas would be greatly benefited.
The Nova Scotia coal has I understand, received several criticisms at the hands of the gas companies in Montreal, Quebec, and some Ontario cities, owing to the fact that the gas has a large amount of sulphur in it. In western Ontario we produce natural gas in large quantities.
A few years ago the gas company that supplies most of the small cities in western Ontario with gas, installed a purifier near the source of production of natural gas. This purifier has been capable of eliminating practically all the sulphur from the gas, adding greatly to the comfort of the users of this product. I have wondered why the cities using Nova Scotia coal could not carry out a similar idea in regard to the eliminating of sulphur from the gas produced from Nova Scotia coal.
There are world-wide symptoms that competition in the business of mining and supplying coal for industrial and domestic uses is producing many evils and that some measure of public regulation is necessary. I am convinced that before the Dominion government can get command of a proper supply of coal from both the eastern and western provinces it will be necessary to receive from the local governments of these provinces
some definite assurance that the coal mined for sale in the central provinces shall be of a certain standard and carefully analyzed, that these standards shall be regulated and complied with by the mine owners, and that regulations of the most stringent character shall surround the mining and delivering of this coal. Some effort should be made to stabilize these industries and see that the people in the central provinces are supplied with the best grades of coal available at the lowest possible cost. The coal mining and coal distributing companies could continue to operate and compete much as they do now, but their market should be stabilized and the public should know the name and grade of coal they are using. In this way profiteering could be controlled.
The transition of central Canada from the using of anthracite coal to bituminous coal as-its source of domestic heat can thus be brought about. It seems almost inevitable therefore that as we shift from hard coal to coke and bituminous coal that we should learn to buy coke by measure and not by weight. This is a question that will require legislative actiou. Coal has been almost exclusively sold by the ton. It is the method to which we are accustomed, and it would inconvenience us to be forced to change it But if the idea which I .have suggested should be carried out, it would be found that the capacity of coke to absorb moisture is so great as to make it practically impossible for anyone to sell it by weight with commercial honesty. Let this investigation have as its aim a desire to help and not to criticize. These should be some of the purposes of the inquiry.
While it is true at the present time many homes in Eastern Canada are being heated by by-products taken from crude oil, the time is not far distant when commercial conditions and costs will outlaw these products as not economically serviceable for heating purposes. When that time comes the western states will be as badly in need of coal as central Canada is now.
Another important question for the committee to investigate would be an anti-dumping law, as to whether it would stabilize the Canadian industry by eliminating the bargain sale tactics of the coal exporters of the United States. Another question to be investigated would be the wisdom of revising the scope of the Dominion Fuel Board, giving it a national viewpoint instead of a sectional one as at present. Make it or somebody responsible for the development of the policy which the government would enun-
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ciate. Give this board a commercial object instead of a technical one; make it the distributing centre for educational work. Hydro electric has been devolved into what it is in Ontario under provincial control. A Dominion fuel board should be able to function likewise and show equally profitable results on a fuel policy.
We as legislators have a vital interest in this question, and it is the duty of every member to lend a helping hand in order that this committee should proceed with its labours with despatch and a determined effort to solve this great problem. The citizens of this Dominion are tired of paying the United States $120,000,000 annually for fuel. There are people, and I believe them to be in the majority, who have expressed themselves very strongly, that they do not believe in sending millions of dollars into American coal fields and leaving our own mines undeveloped, thus increasing unemployment in our own Canadian mining districts. These same people have a strong desire to use Canadian as well as foreign capital to develop Canadian industries and to utilize as much as possible Canadian raw material, Canadian labour and Canadian transportation in the developing of the same. By following out some of the ideas which I have suggested the time is in sight when the present demoralized condition in the coal industry will end.


Mr. W. F. MACLEAN (South York):: Mr. Speaker, I am very much interested in the question now before the House, first of all by reason of the discussion brought about by some of the representatives from the Maritime provinces. Among the grievances to which they drew the attention of this Blouse was the question of their coal mines, and the necessity of having this parliament or someone do something for the development of those mines. No sooner did I hear their speeches than I addressed myself to a very prominent gentleman in Nova Scotia. I am not going to name him to-night but later on I may do so after obtaining his consent. I told him something that had been impressed upon me in connection with what Ontario had done in the way of producing electrical energy from water power. I gave him something of a suggestion which I made to Ramsay MacDonald when he came into office in England a few years ago. During the course of some correspondence I had with Mr. .MacDonald I suggested that if he could not produce electrical energy in England for the industries there was another thing he could do, and that was to generate electrical energy by batteries of boilers at the pit heads. He 
could produce in this way electricity by steam and distribute it ail through the kingdom. He was impressed by that idea, but other work came along; he had to assume a great responsibility when he became Prime Minister and he passed this question on for the time being. But Mr. Baldwin, when he came into power, took up this proposal of generating electrical energy by steam plants at the pit heads, and he is going to make a great success of it.
This gentleman in Nova Scotia to whom I wrote replied to my suggestion last week. He said, "I have long thought of that, and we should have had- it years ago. We have not got it yet, but have wasted our time trying to develop electrical energy from the watersheds of Nova Scotia, which do not amount to anything." He said they had spent thousands and millions of dollars m trying to develop water power from those useless watersheds. But this gentleman did not say he was prepared to take it up. However, I made that suggestion to him and I make it now to the people of Nova Scotia. Wnai Nova Scotia ought to do to-morrow is to say that it is going to develop enough power by steam plants at the pit heads to supply every farm and city house with light and every industry with energy. They could develop that power almost as cheaply as it is generated by water power in Ontario, and in that way they could make themselves independent of all the world, so far as power is concerned. I believe this gentleman is thinking it over now and talking about it with some of his friends. I went on to tell him that everyone knew they had great coal mines in Nova Scotia, but that they had made a mess of them to date. I suggested1 that those coal mines be nationalized as water power has been in Ontario. The moment that is undertaken the people of Nova Scotia should! get in touch with the other provinces. I make this pledge on my own a'ccount and for my own province of Ontario, that we are ready to-day to make a contract with the coal mines of Nova Scotia for a large amount of coal, provided Nova Scotia mines it and gives employment to her own people, with fair pay and good houses to live in, and1 provided the coal is delivered in the season of navigation by boat to Toronto, not only for Ontario but for Quebec as well. We aa'e the two nearest provinces, and I think I could almost pledge that Quebec would join with Ontario to-morrow in making contracts with Nova Scotia for a supply of coal for these two provinces. And what goes with it? If you undertake to mine the coal and have it ready for sale, you can do another thing. Coal is worth twice what it is worth

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to-day if you coke it before you ship it. The by-products from the treatment of coal to-day are of enormous value, with the dye industry and several other industries dependent upon them. Nova Scotia could1 get on her feet immediately if she started to develop what she has got at home. She has enough coal at home to supply all the demand of Ontario and Quebec for years, and Quebec and Ontario are ready to buy from her. But she has to find out what she can do. She has to make negotiations with these two provinces west of her, and I believe Nova Scotia will be able to ship this year sufficient coal to Ontario and Quebec to supply the whole demand of these two provinces. But the coal must be moved during the season of navigation. It is no good to bring coal from Nova Scotia by train -when you can bring it at one-third the cost by water.
Do you know what science is doing to-day with frozen rivers? Science is finding a way that will enable us within five years to keep open the Welland canal and the Soulanges canal for at least ten months in the year.


Mr. ROGERS:: And the Hudson bay?


Mr.   MAODEAN@York: say. I am not criticizing the previous speaker at all, but the thing for parliament to do is to act and get the evidence, and when we get the evidence, to make a report. Let that committee be made up of men from all sides of the House. Do not make it a party question at all, but a national question. Let parliament find a national solution for this national problem, and if we solve this problem we shall be able to solve many others:	I urge the Prime Minister before
this debate is over to tell the House that he is prepared to take the responsibility of naming a committee that will investigate this problem, and will call together representatives of the miners of Nova Scotia and of the operators of the mines, and representatives of the provinces of Ontario and Quebec, and later on deal also with the question of bringing Alberta coal to the relief of Ontario, so that we can make ourselves independent of our neighbours to the south. They have shut us out of everything. They are taking our raw products over there and manufacturing them. Let us keep our own industries at home, and supply ourselves with our own materials, and when we begin to do that we shall see Canada go ahead and prosper once more.


Charles A. Stewart: Coal and the transportation of coal to central Canada is always a very interesting subject in this parliament, and a great deal has been said about it; but I imagine there is no subject we discuss here about which there is more misinformation then there is uppn the coal problem of central Canada.
Let me say at the outset on behalf of the government that we will welcome an investigation, because it will clear up, I think, a great many of the misconceptions thait exist with respect to this question. I do not know that I can agree with my hon. friend from South York (Mr. Maclean) thait the time has arrived when the coal mines of Canada should be nationalized, but undoubtedly a great deal of information can be gathered by the committee that will be helpful in arriving at a solution of this problem.
No one will deny, Mr. Speaker, that if it were possible to supply the whole of central Canada

and I do not say it is impossible to do that-with coal from eastern and western Canada, it would go a long way to solve some of our most difficult problems. -The department over which I have the honour to preside have been giving a great deal of attention to this question, and they have tried on various occasions to find, I do not say a complete 
solution, but a partial solution of the difficulty. One of the things we have always endeavoured to keep in mind is the fact that after all the consuming population have to pay for the coal consumed. Coal is almost as great a necessity in a cold country like this as bread, and any increase in price will have a detrimental effect upon the consumer. It must always be borne in mind, as my hon. friend has sa/id, that the development of water power has cut into the whole consumption tremendously. If it were not for the development of water power in central Canada, a great deal more coal would be consumed heTe, and as i Canada continues to grow the development of ' water power will still further cut into the consumption of coal in this part of the country. The recent development in oil burning devices has also had its effect in the domestic field; it has still further cut dowm coal consumption not only on land but on shipboard. A great many steamships which formerly burned coal are now using oil; so that substitutes have undoubtedly usurped to a certain extent the place which coal used to occupy.
However, that is all beside the question. My hon. friend has raised the issue whether something cannot be done whereby the consuming population in Ontario and Quebec can be served by the coal mines of Nova Scotia and western Canada. This winter, -owing to the strike in the United States, it has been possible to move seventy-five thousand tons of bituminous coal at the rate of $7, and I think without any increase in price to the consumer, which is the important thing after all. The feasibility of transporting western coal by rail and water has not been demonstrated to any considerable extent, and I rather welcome the suggestion of my hon. friend that we should go into ian investigation of the possibilities of that method of bringing down Alberta fuel.
With respect to the movement of bituminous coal from Alberta to Ontario, that has not been investigated to any considerable degree. If this coal can be moved by rail and water, and it can be done, there is no question about the possibility of making it an active competitor with the American fuel. As regards the movement of bituminous coal from Nova Scotia, there is no question in my mind that if better methods were employed -some method such as suggested with respect to the loading and unloading of this fuel say at Montreal where it would have to be transshipped into smaller vessels-this coal could be transported, at least to the city of Toronto,

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in competition with the American product. I may say this to my Nova Scotia friends: Our investigation has shown us that while there is very great difficulty ahead of the transportation of Nova Scotia coal as far as Toronto, and further westward, and the supply of the surrounding market from Toronto, there is no problem connected with the moving of Nova Scotia coal to the province of Quebec. When the shortage period existed there was always one hundred thousand tons of banked coal in the dumps at the city of Montreal. It never has been a problem to bring coal to Montreal from the coal fields of Nova Scotia, The serious problem was the interruptions that were continuous owing to strike conditions in those fields; and as hon. gentlemen well know, when a market is temporarily lost it turns to a new source of supply and it is difficult to get that market back again. With the addition of the subvention of fifty cents a ton which we gave two years ago, coal was moved westward from Montreal as far as Brockville, if I remember rightly, and then into the northern portions of the province in open competition with the American fuel. So I see no serious difficulty in supplying the eastern portion of Ontario with Nova Scotia coal if the supply remains uninterrupted.
It is useless to say that there is nothing to be learned in connection with this fuel problem. I agree with my hon. friend from East Lambton that there is a great deal to be learned, and I rather welcome the suggestion of my hon. friend from South York (Mr. Maclean) that the committee should investigate the whole question-the question of transportation, the question of costs, and so on. Of course we are going to have an investigation so far as transportation is concerned before the Board of Railway Commissioners, when experts will disclose the results of their inquiries. No doubt that investigation will be thorough and far-reaching, and the reports of the railway commission on the matter should be worth a great deal to us, as to the prices which are charged for the movement of this commodity.
Unfortunately, we have an interruption just now in the movement of coal from western Canada owing to the fact that we do not appear to be able to agree as to just what price should be charged, or on what basis the adjustment should be made. The government of Ontario, the government of Alberta, and the federal government were prepared to pay any amount that was found to be in excess of the rate of $7 per ton for the movement of Alberta coal to Ontario. The railway company had moved seventy-five thousand tons at a rate of $7 per ton during a period of crisis
or emergency, but they undertook to prove that it could not be profitably done for less than 89 per ton. However, by way of compromise, Sir Henry Thornton agreed with us the other day that while the rate should be fixed at $9 a ton, he would be prepared to refund to the three governments concerned any amount less than $9 a ton found by the board when they brought in their report. So far I have not had confirmation from the other governments concerned with respect to this movement, I do not know whether it is going to be carried out or not. It is a fact that next month the hearing will take place before the railway commission when evidence will be presented on behalf of the operators in the mining industry from both ends of Canada as well as on behalf of the railway companies. The railway board will bring in a report on the question of the rate to be charged for the haulages of this commodity. There is a very wide field to inquire into, including mining costs, the difficulties that from time to time crop up between the operator and the employee, and the question -and I think it is very important one-of the cost of distribution. This is something that would stand a considerable amount of inquiry throughout the central region of Canada, because if the cost of distribution say from the car to the consumer amounts to practically the same as the cost of mining the coal and putting it on the car, it would seem to be just a little too much for that service.


Edward Joseph Garland: Would the minister be prepared to give this committee power to investigate the mining cost, and how would he give the committee that power?


Charles A. Stewart: The committee might very well have the power to investigate mining costs. I think it is rather an important factor, because we must bear in mind that they mine coal under more favourable conditions in the United States. I think I am safe in saying that in nearly every bituminous mine in the United States they mine their coal one dollar cheaper than we mine ours, and that is a very important factor in costs. Officers of the Department of Mines who have to do particularly with fuel will be prepared, I am sure, to come before the committee and give them very enlightening information. So far as the distribution cost is concerned, we have little or no information because we did not investigate that end of if. I think it is worthy of consideration, though, because it is an important factor.
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It seems to me that we need not worry a great deal about the provision of a continuous supply of anthracite coal for the central region of Canada. I think we have gone far enough in the investigation of the production of coke to prove that we will have a substitute that will supply our needs throughout the whole of central Canada. At the plant in Hamilton they make a very splendid quality of fuel. There was a time, only about two years ago, when it looked very doubtful whether that plant would succeed. It is now a great success, and there is no reason why plants cannot be established in all the large centres where there is a market for the gas that will be produced and manufactured, say in this city, in Montreal, in Toronto, Quebec, Sherbrooke; in fact, in any large centre that is capable of using a reasonable supply of gas. There is no reason why the bituminous coal of Nova Scotia cannot be manufactured into high grade coke and sold for domestic purposes; thus supplanting at least three-fourths of the supply of the anthracite coal now coming into this market.


Henry Lumley Drayton: In connection
with what the minister is saying in reference to the gas plant-and I am in sympathy with much of what he has stated-does he propose to bring in similar legislation to that brought in last year, which would have made it possible for these plants to be operated, but which legislation was unfortunately withdrawn ?


Charles A. Stewart: That is a
matter that will come up later. I am not prepared to speak about it to-night, except to say that I think some further technical investigation will be carried on along the lines that we have now adopted for the treatment of this coal, and I am confident it will demonstrate that a product can be manufactured which will be quite as acceptable as that from high grade bituminous coal from the United States. That has been the practical difficulty so far, and we have been bending our energies to the solution of that problem. If that problem can be solved, there is no reason, to my mind, why plants cannot be established in this city and every city eastward without any assistance in the world. I think I am safe in making that assertion, but I do say that at present they are under some handicap in comparison with the high grade fuel manufactured into coke in the Hamilton plant to-day. If it is possible to effect carbonization at lower temperature which would produce gasoline, our whole problem would be solved and we would have a much

cheaper fuel. Instead of turning it into gas, we would turn it into gasoline and oil. Hon. members will see how important a part technical investigation and research play in these important problems so far as the fuel supply of Canada is concerned. It is along those lines we are bending our energies, and I am confident that with a little further investigation of the bituminous fuel of Nova Scotia they may discover a much higher grade of bituminous coal than they are using at the present time. However, as I said to my hon. friend, that is a matter that will come up later; it has no direct bearing on this question.


Charles Hazlitt Cahan: Just what does the minister mean by the statement that they may discover a higher grade of coal?


Charles A. Stewart: I am told
that there are possibilities of a higher grade of bituminous coal yet untapped in that province that can be mined and brought into the market. I have no inside information as to that, but that is the information I obtain from that quarter. Quite apart from the investigation that will be held by the railway board, I can see a splendid opportunity for the committee to obtain information that will be valuable in the solution of this very important question, and I welcome the suggestion of my hon. friend.


Alan Webster Neill: The minister has talked
about the solution of the question by the manufacture of coke in cities where there is a market for gas. Will he consider the subject of coal mines located in British Columbia where we have no local market for gas, and what could be done for those mines? Would he not consider further investigation along the line of finding a carbonization at a lower temperature which would produce gasoline which would be a solution of the question?


Charles A. Stewart: 'In Germany they have carried this problem a little further than in any other country in the world, but they have not as yet, nor have they in the United States, nor have we who have been working along these lines, been able to say that we have a commercial process. We are all hoping, however, that we will discover a commercial process in low temperature carbonization. Then instead of having gas we will have gasoline and fuel oil. I say therefore, Mr. Speaker, that we welcome the suggestion of a committee for the discussion of the matters I have outlined, leaving the question of rates for investigation before the railway board. However, there is no objection to the

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committee delving into that if they can be of service and bring to light any new information in connection with the matter.


Edmund James Bristol: There is no question that a committee of this kind would be of great value and would result in benefit to the country. So far as coal mining in Nova Scotia is concerned, the miners there labour under a great deal more difficulty than the miners in the United States, because they have to go under water one or two miles, and it takes six or seven men to take out a ton of coal as against two men in the United States. That is one of the reasons why I fancy Nova Scotia requires a certain amount of protection in reference to coal mining, because unquestionably the cost of mining coal in Nova Scotia is at least two dollars more per ton than it is in Pennsylvania. When the minister said there should be an investigation into the cost from the car to the consumer, I think he struck a very important point, because when you come to Toronto I do not fancy you find any Nova Scotia coal being sold. The dealers there no doubt get their coal from the United States, and they have theii methods of distribution and sale in Toronto It is hard to break into a proposition of that kind when the United States can beat us by $2 a ton on the price of coal.
As regards western coal, about which we hear a great deal to-day, every one, irrespective of politics, is anxious to see Canada use its own product and thereby become independent of the United States. If a scheme for the utilization of Canadian coal could be successfully worked out, as I believe it could, we should have $100,006,000 more distributed in Canada instead of being sent to the United States to help to develop that country. It i3, however, a matter of some doubt as to what the quality of this coal would be upon delivery. Whether the transportation would take from its value is a question to be considered, and there are other problems of importance to be taken into account in connection with the proposal. In my humble judgment the most important thing for this country is to turn all its available water power into actual energy. It is an established fact that 1,000,000 horsepower is equivalent to 13,000,000 tons of coal so that it can readily be seen what the available electrical power in Canada would mean to the development of this country.
I will not discuss just now the question of Niagara development, in regard to which I have a resolution on the order paper. Possibly it is not desirable that I should deal with that
matter at this juncture, but I would point out that, according to the advice of engineering experts, there is about 3,000,000 horse power available for division between the province of Ontario and the state of New York. You can realize, when you think of the enormous waste of power which is going on from day to day, from hour to hour, what it would mean to the working population of Canada and to everybody interested in the province of Ontario if this power were utilized. On the basis of thirteen to one, it means that 39,000,000 tons of coal per annum are being wasted at the present time.
The beautification of Niagara Falls is a problem which can be carried out, and it is one of great importance not only from the point of view of the scenery but for the purpose of preventing the destruction of the falls themselves. So far as Quebec is concerned, I do not think it will be questioned that that province possesses the greatest available waterpower of any country in the world, particularly in proportion to its size. In the St. Lawrence there is within sixty miles of Montreal, 2,750,000 available horse-power which is not being used. There is a great area of level land in that vicinity where there could be built another city the size of Montreal and there is no lack of power capable of development. The sooner Ontario and Quebec realize their potentialities in the matter of water power, and turn that power into an active force, the sooner they will acquire something of great value not only to the provinces themselves but to the nation.
I sometimes regret that this water power does not belong to the Dominion, in view of our tremendous national debt, but at all events I am sure -we are all glad to know that the province of Quebec possesses a resource which if properly developed would prove of the greatest value to her. We in Ontario hope to get a share of the Niagara Falls development and we hope also to share in the St. Lawrence development. Every day we allow all this water to flow unharnessed we are sacrificing something of great national value. The suggestion has been made that if we sold power to the United States we should thereby do a great injury to this country. Now we have been trying for some time to get United States factories to operate in Canada and it is not any consideration of power that prevents them from doing so; it is a question of the tariff, of which we have had considerable discussion during the past year. We have factories in Canada, and if the tariff were where it should be those factories would be working to capacity and others would be established as well. We are buying coal from the United States and I
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cannot understand the argument that if we sold them power which we could turn off at will we should run the risk of going to war with the United States. That there should be any danger in selling to the United States power that we cannot at present use in this country is something I cannot understand. I appreciate the argument that we do not want to sell power to United States factories, but there are cities across the line which use power for a great many purposes apart from the operation of factories, and in any case the chances are that by the time we could develop our power in Canada it would be needed in this country for light, heat and power.
I am glad that we have found coal in the northern part of Ontario and I believe that in the coming summer the people of that province will be surprised at the high quality of it and the great value it will prove to them. I trust that the committee will be appointed; I am sure that it would be of great service.


Hon. CHARLES MARCIL (Bonaventure):: In the years that preceded the war Canada attracted considerable attention throughout the world because of the assertion that had been made in this House and elsewhere that this was a cheap country to live in. That statement is no longer perfectly true. In listening to the remarks of the hon. member for 'Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Woods-worth) this afternoon while he was discussing the cost of living, my memory went back a few years to an occasion when I had the pleasure of meeting in Montreal the President of Brazil who was then on a visit to Canada. In discussing the condition in Brazil and Canada respectively, he made the statement that the three problems that had to be solved in this country, if we wanted to make Canada a cheap place to live in, were those relating to fuel, clothing and food.
To-day the- citizens of Ottawa are paying from $19.50 to $20 a ton for Welsh coal, and $17 for what is called newly mined anthracite coal which is supposed to have come from the mines in Pennsylvania since the strike -there was settled. This coal is of an inferior quality; most of it is slate, and it does not give the most satisfactory results. Fifty years ago, away back in the National Policy debates, this coal question was discussed and a duty was imposed under the National Policy itself, on coal coming from the United States, for the purpose of helping the miners of Nova Scotia. This question has remained with us ever since, and it is to-day one of outstanding importance with the poor consumers of the country who comprise the majority of the people. The consumer must overcome the 
cost of fuel, but matters instead of improving are going from bad to worse. We have been told session after session that the miner is poorly paid and poorly clad and that charity must be raised throughout the country to assist him and his wife and children. And all this notwithstanding, the price of coal keeps going up. There is a gap between the cost of production of coal in the mine and the cost to the consumer. What is responsible for that? That is a question which might well be looked into. Two or three years ago we had two committees sitting, one in the Senate and the other in the House of Commons, investigating the coal question, and we have to-day a standing committee on Mines and Minerals which is waiting for an opportunity to tackle the problem.
This is one of the most important questions that could be dealt with by this House. We have in Canada a long winter of from five to six months; it is particularly severe in eastern Quebec, in northern Ontario and in the north generally. No greater boon could therefore be conferred on this country by parliament, nor could parliament, sooner earn the everlasting gratitude of the Canadian people, than by bringing about a solution of this problem. We are sending $100,000,000 a year to the United States for coal wliile we are ourselves in possession of an enormous supply of both black and white coal. Hon. members who have spoken have referred to the water powers of Ontario and Quebec. These water powers are yet undeveloped; certainly they are not developed to the extent that they should be, and a great work remains to be done at Niagara Falls. Considerable activity is also in progress in the lake St. John district where hundreds of thousands of horse-power are being developed.
The coal question will remain with us for a long while to come. We may develop this white coal-this hydro-electric power-but we must still rely on coal. As the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) recently stated, coal has a double value; not only has it a value as fuel, but an even greater value for its by-product of oil, which eveiy day is becoming more and more important, until eventually I imagine it will exceed coal itself in importance as fuel.
I for one, Mr. Speaker, would be delighted if this motion moved by the hon, member for East Lambton (Mr. Armstrong)-who already has several times spoken on this question in past parliaments, if my memory serves me rightly-were referred to a select committee for thorough investigation with a view to reaching a solution of our fuel problem, for

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I think no more vital question could be settled by this parliament.


Mr. THOMAS CANTLEY (Pictou):: Mr. Speaker, it is certainly encouraging to hear members from Ontario devoting time to the question of Nova Scotia coal. I was particularly interested in some of the advice given to the coal operators of Nova Scotia. We were told of the advantages which would accrue if the mines of that province were nationalized. Well, the fact is that those coal mines have been owned and controlled by the provincial authorities for sixty years or more. It is true they are leased by the provincial government to private companies who operate under license and subject to royalties payable to the province. I do not think that at the present time any one in Nova Scotia is prepared to advocate that the government of Nova Scotia should operate those mines.
From some of the remarks made it might be gathered that we in Nova Scotia are somewhat backward in our coal handling methods. Well, I may tell the House that boats have been regularly discharged at the port of Montreal at the rate of over one thousand tons an hour. Steamers have been regularly coming to the port of Montreal from Sydney during the summer months with eight thousand tons of coal each, and arriving at six or seven o'clock in the morning they have been able to leave again the same evening. They are loaded at the Cape Breton ports at about the same rate. So I do not think very much improvement can be effected in the rapid turning round of coal tonnage at either one end or the other.
Reference has been made to the conditions under which we operate our coal mines, and the remarks are very close to the facts. The cost of operation in practically all our Nova Scotia mines is very much greater than it is in a large proportion of the American coal mines. And the reasons are not far to seek. Briefly, it is due to the fact that our coal seams are fairly high-pitched, and a good many are submarine, involving very serious water problems. Taking Nova Scotia mines as a whole, you will find that the quantity of water pumped per ton of coal raised runs from 2\ to 7 tons. So it is quite as much a pumping problem as it is a mining problem.
Then our coal in practically all our mines gives off large quantities of inflammable gas. During the short recess I returned to Nova Scotia and a few days ago I was down one of our oldest and deepest collieries, the Princess at Sydney Mines, which was opened originally in 1863 and has been operated for practically fifty years, during which time some
ten million tons of coal has been mined. Now, to-day we are passing through the workings of that colliery 45,000 cubic feet of air a minute to give the necessary ventilation. On Friday* last, which was by no means a summer day, the temperature was 72 degrees -in the working levels.
Now, one hon. member referred to the suitability of Nova Scotia coal for the production of gas, and intimated there were difficulties in its use because of its high sulphur content and the purification process which this involved. Well, practically all bituminous coal used for gas production, if it is high in volatile matter-as it ought to be if it is to be satisfactory for that purpose-usually contains very considerable amounts of sulphur, some coals more, others less. I have under my hand a piece of coal taken from the Princess colliery within the last three days at a point two and a half to three miles from the shore where there was a fourteen hundred foot cover between it and the ocean bed. I have not a complete analysis of this coal, but I know it will run about .68 per cent in sulphur-less than three-quarters of one per cent. That coal is quite satisfactory for gas making, with very little purification. Therefore the presence of sulphur should not present any great difficulty in the adoption of this coal for gas production.
The hon. Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) referred to low temperature distillation. That, of course, as he said, has not yet been developed to the point where it can be considered to be entirely satisfactory. Great things are looked for in that connection, but until desirable results are obtained we can continue to produce, as they have been producing in Hamilton and also in Sydney, a domestic fuel from Nova Scotia coal-or from any fair quality of bituminous coal-which will replace with advantage any anthracite coming into this country to-day. It will give a very much better class of fuel than can be imported either from the United States or from Great Britain. I have already referred to the question in this House. There is no possible reason at all why Canada should be dependent on any foreign country for the prime necessity of fuel.
Forty or fifty years ago over a thousand vessels per year were loading coal in the port of Pictou for United States ports, and about 750 vessels in Sydney. W'hy did we lose that trade? Simply because the Americans put a duty of $1.75 per ton on our coal, and under that policy they developed the enormous coal industry which they have to-day, and which has supplanted our own industry in their
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markets. From that country we have brought in about 17,000,000 tons of coal, both bituminous and anthracite, during the last few years. Reference has been made to the coking of coal at Hamilton. We made in Canada last year 1,471,116 tons of coke and imported 825,000 tons. For the making of coke we used of Canadian coal 660,000 odd' tons, and of imported coal 1,500,000 odd tons, or a little more. Why? Simply because we have not a proper national policy so far as coal is concerned. If this countrj' is content to remain dependent on a foreign country for what is a prime necessity both for domestic use and manufacturing purposes, it will not be very long until Canada is brought up with a round turn and finds itself in serious difficulties. All that can be cured by a very simple method, the same method as that adopted by our friends to the south, with results such as I have referred to.
I have briefly referred to the difference in the cost of producing coal in Nova Scotia as compared with the United States. The same thing, to a very large extent, could be said in regard to the cost of producing coal in Alberta. At Drumheller I saw one day a few years ago some 9,000 tons of coal loaded and despatched. That coal came from quite a number of collieries, but I venture to say that the entire cost of installation of the collieries producing that 9,000 tons of coal per day was not greater than the amount expended in one colliery in Cape Breton producing about 500 tons a day. I am referring to the hoisting plant, the pumping plant and the ventilating plant. I have already made some reference to the expense regarding ventilation, and the enormous volumes of air which must be driven through these collieries to make them safe from gas. I have also referred to the amount of water that requires to be pumped. These are factors we have with us all the time and of course as our mines get older and deeper that cost will increase. Coal costs a little more to-day than it did yesterday.. to-morrow it will be a little higher than to-day, simply because additional air has to be forced in; additional airways have to be constructed; additional roadways have to be built and additional wire rope has to be put on. In the colliery to which I referred a moment ago there are 27,000 feet of wire rope on the hoisting engine drum. Figure out what that means, and the distance we are hauling it. Why are we doing it? We are doing it because it is undoubtedly the best coal in the Dominion of Canada. It is the oldest

colliery worked by the General Mining Association of London, which took that property over from the Duke of York in 1826. Just a hundred years ago to-day these collieries first operated, and I hope they will go on for a long time yet. I am certain they will, so far as quantity and quality of the coali are concerned. The old Sydney may not extend undersea to Newfoundland; but after a descent of seventy feet to the pit bottom I went seaward well on to three miles northeastward to the Newfoundland shore. Could I live long enough I might dig my way through coal a considerable portion of the way to the shore of the ancient colony.
I am glad to have this opportunity of supporting the proposed resolution which has been 'submitted by the hon. member for East Lambton (Mr. Armstrong) in regard to a committee. I hope that committee will be appointed, and I do hope also that when the committee meets and returns an answer to this House in regard to what the difficulties are and what can be done as to the further development of the coal industry not only in Nova Scotia but in the other provinces which have large supplies of coal, some action will be taken which will result in Canada being made entirely independent of any source of foreign supply. I think that could be done within ten years.


Thomas Langton Church: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for East Lamb-ton, who brought forth this resolution, deserves considerable credit for doing so. I want to say to him, however, that I have little faith in the appointment of a committee by this House. The text of the resolution is practically a declaration in favour of a national coal supply, and this question has been before this House since 1922, when I introduced a similar resolution. We have all the information now about the resources of this country; we have all the facts and figures. The coal question is. 95 per cent a question of transportation, and this parliament has made nothing but a football of the whole problem. The municipalities have now taken the matter in their own hands and Alberta coal has found a market in Ontario, as has coal from Nova Scotia and Wales. Five hundred thousand tons of coal were imported into Montreal last summer from Wales, in view of the contemplated strike and the expected coal shortage. Nova Scotia and Alberta coal have scored a triumph in Ontario. The time has come when this parliament and the provincial legislatures should decide on legislation grading coal, and no longer allow the American rail-

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ways, the American coal trust, the American coal barons and the American capitalists to sell rubbish and cheap stone and dust for $15 and $20 a ton in the large centres of this country.
We have a railway commission which is supposed to regulate the railways of its own volition; the commission is not supposed to wait until the damage has been done. By the Bailway Act the railway commission is sworn to do its duty, and one of the main clauses of that act provides that the railway commission, of its own volition, shall go up and down this country and see that there shall be no unjust, undue and unfair discrimination between provinces or between localities as to rates and tolls. This exists to-day. If we had an absence of unjust, unfair and undue discrimination in the carrying of coal from the Maritime provinces, Alberta and Wales the coal problem would be solved. Where has the railway commission been during the last four or five years? It has done nothing to solve Canada's national coal problem or check things up.
This resolution asks for a committee. We had a committee appointed in 1922, 1923 and 1924, and that committee made a report. Sir Henry Thornton and all his experts appeared before the committee and it was proved that $7 was a fair rate for the carrying of coal from Alberta, and it was laid down that Nova Scotia should get similar treatment. It was also stated that coal should be brought from Wales and the Maritimes, which would benefit the Canadian National Bailways and enable the merchant marine to use some of the boats which were scrapped and tied up to the dock for certain months of the year. What became of that report? The government accepted the resolution which I had before the House in 1922 but struck out the last and most important clause in favour of an embargo; a clause which said that every pound of coal used in Canada should be mined and coked under the British flag, whether in Alberta, the Maritime provinces or Wales. The report of the committee of parliament was accepted by parliament in 1924, but up to this hour not one thing has been done to carry it out. On the government of the day is the responsibility for this coal embroglio which we have in Canada, a country which .has spent two billions of dollars on the National railways. Where are they to-day, and where is the railway commission? They are sitting down and doing nothing, letting Canada become the happy hunting ground for the coal barons of Pennsylvania, who can call a strike in twenty-14011- 101 '
four hours and freeze this country out. On the government of the day is the responsibility There is no use in the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) getting up in the House day after day and telling us what has been done about coal. Nothing has been done about it, except to make a political football of it and Shunt the problem off on the provinces of Ontario, Alberta and Nova Scotia, Cheap American rubbish has been sold as coal .in Toronto at $20 a ton in bag lots. An investigation has already been asked for in this House, but nothing has been done. What has become of Mr. Murdock's Combines Act? Why have there been no prosecutions; why have you not got after the American coal barons in order to protect the working classes ' in the constituency I come from, which is a workingman's constituency? Where are the two gentlemen from Winnipeg representing Labour in this House? What have they to say about conditions in the larger centres in this country where people are lined up at the coal offices all winter to try to get coal, and all they can get is cheap American rubbish?
Sir Henry Thornton is responsible very largely for not having solved this problem. He was before the Bail way committee in 1923 and 1924 and agreed to this $7 a ton rate. Why should Ontario pay one dollar a ton for the province of Alberta to advance her coal to central Canada Alberta is asking us for one dollar a ton to-day to pay the freight charges; to-morrow it will be Nova Scotia and New Brunswick asking us to contribute one or two dollars a ton. The thing is inequitable. The Canadian National railways are carrying grain and flour at preferential cut rates eastbound, and Ontario and central Canada have to bear their share of the charges. Why cannot coal be carried at preferential rates? The Canadian National Bail-ways can help develop Michigan and Illinois, as I pointed out in the House the other evening; they can help develop the state of Maine and other states over the line, but when it comes to solving a national coal problem in this country-oh, no; that is a different state of affairs. The action of the railways in raising the rate on Alberta coal from $7 to $9 is but one more victory for the United States coal barons, under the present administration we have at Ottawa. That is what it is, and that is what Canada thinks. The people of Ontario are disgusted at the way this coal problem has been treated by this House, by the railway commission, by Sir Henry Thornton and the Canadian National Bailways, and by the Canadian Pacific Railway. We were told in the Railway com-

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mittee that $7 a ton was a fair rate for bringing Alberta coal to Ontario, that it would meet all charges. That was more than $2 a ton higher than the rate for carrying grain and flour eastbound, and now the rate is to be raised from $7 to $9 a ton. The railways might just as well quote a rate of $20 to $25 a ton to Ontario. The people of central Canada now know where the railways stand on this question. They have decided to do nothing to solve this problem and provide Canada with a national coal supply to make us independent of the United States. Canada's railway system, according to statements of railway magnates the past few days, is not to be used for the creation of a Canadian market for the output of Canadian coal mines. Our railways are to be preserved, as they have been in the past, to make Canada the happy hunting ground for the coal barons of Pennsylvania, and that is what this country will be no doubt so long as this government continues in office.
What are Canada's freight rates for, if our railways are to be used to advance the prosperity of Pennsylvania instead of Alberta and Nova Scotia? We have always had in my opinion a political rate structure in this country. The basis of our rate structure was the Crowsnest pass agreement, and the rates have been constantly changed, new rates being put on and others taken off. The railway commission has absolutely fallen down and failed to carry out its statutory duties under the act and regulate freight rates in this country. Sir Henry Thornton has also fallen down, and is very largely responsible for the fiasco he has made of this coal situation.
I endorse the stand taken by Premier Ferguson of Ontario in refusing to have the people of Ontario taxed one dollar a ton to bring Alberta coal down to this province when Ontario is already carrying the peakload of taxation in this country, from 45 to 46 per cent of all the taxes. Central Canada is already paying in freight rates to give the prairie provinces preferential rates on grain and flour. Ontario might as well ask Alberta to pay two or three dollars a ton for the carrying of grain and flour down here, because the prairie provinces, through the decision of the railway commission, with the approval of this parliament, have placed on Ontario and central Canada extra tolls for the carriage of grain and flour at cut rates.
In my opinion there is no use appointing a committee to make another political football of this question. There is only one way to solve the problem, and that is by adopting a national policy. See that every pound of coal used in Canada is mined under the

British flag, whether in Wales, the Maritime provinces or Alberta. Secondly, place an absolute embargo on American coal, and adopt a national policy for the development of our own coal mines. In addition, help the industry by bounties, subventions and bonuses. In the Old Country the government under the Right Hon. Stanley Baldwin voted in bonuses $210,000,000 last year to help the coal industry, and I venture to say that it will have to spend $300,000,000 to put that native industry on its feet for 1926. This parliament should also be prepared to help along similar lines our native industry. We should adopt a national policy. In 1923-1924 $200,000 in bonuses was voted to help bring Maritime and Alberta coal to central Canada. That bonus should be increased. It should run into two or three or five or ten million dollars if necessary. That amount could be well spent to put this native industry on its feet in Alberta and the Maritime provinces.
Let us utilize the National railways and the merchant marine. What are the National railways for if not to solve some of the great problems that confront the people of this country? So, while I appreciate the motive of the hon. member who has brought forward this resolution, I can tell him from practical experience that if a committee is appointed you will never get a solution so long as this government remains in office. They have made a political football of this problem; the railway commission has fallen down and so have the National railways. The people of this country are disappointed with the administration of the National railways to-day. In the early months of spring and summer thousands of cars lie idle at the head of the lakes and many boats of the merchant marine are tied up at the docks doing nothing which could be used in helping to bring coal to central Canada from Alberta and the Maritime provinces. The whole problem is one of transportation, and you will have to get somebody else to handle the problem before you get any solution from the powers that be in charge of the National railways and from the railway commission. They have increased the rate on Alberta coal from $7 to $9 a ton to give the Pennsylvania coal barons more and more business in Canada. By that act they are continuing to preserve Canada as the happy hunting ground which it has always been for the Pennsylvania coal barons and American coal trusts.


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fuel and how best we can use our own coal and cease using foreign coal. Hon. members have asserted that we are more and more becoming the victims of the American coal barons. Statistics do not prove that to be correct. There has been a general improvement in the use of Canadian coal for the past four years. In the year 1920, we imported into Canada 4,912,000 tons of anthracite. In the year 1924, when there was no strike, we had substituted other fuels for coal and imported only 3,908,000 tons, an improvement of a million tons with respect to anthracite. In the year 1920 we imported 15,900,000 tons of bituminous coal, whereas in 1924 our importations dropped to 12,578,000, an improvement of over 2,000,000 tons reduction with respect to bituminous coal.
Certain hon. members who have spoken in this House in the past have tried to point out that there was a fuel problem in Ontario this winter. I contend that there was absolutely no fuel problem; there was all the fuel that was necessary for the province of Ontario at all times, that is, provided the people were satisfied to use substitutes for anthracite. Let me say that I consider the American anthracite strike was a blessing to this Dominion, for it taught our people the absolute necessity of not being dependent on anthracite coal, and the possibility, referred to by hon. members here to-night, of burning substitutes such as coke. Now as a citizen of Canada and as a householder I am prepared to say that four years ago I personally became converted to the use of coke, and intend to bum it in future in my own household. For no matter what some people who always use anthracite say, we can make good coke in this country from Canadian coal. What we need in the central part of Canada, so far as domestic fuel is concerned is a little education to teach our people that they can successfully use Canadian coke made from Canadian coal. The people of the city of Toronto to-day again are being offered American anthracite coal, and they are buying it again, simply for the reason that during the past twenty-five years they have been educated to bum that type of coal. Cne of the things I should like to see the government undertake is an educative programme, to teach our people that coke made from Nova Scotia coal is a better domestic fuel than anthracite from American mines.
I quite agree with the remarks of the hon. member who has just taken his seat, that if there is one thing that is necessary it is that our people should have some protection on grades of coal which is shipped into Canada 14011-101 i
from the United States. We receive anthracite coal at times of strike that is from 25 to 30 per cent slate, consisting largely of dust that is unburnable. It is nothing more or less than the clean-up of the American coal heaps. I do not think the government should allow that condition to obtain any longer. I believe there should be a direct inspection of the grade of American coal at all times, and that in the meantime only the better grade of soal should be allowed to enter Canada. I would even go further. I am of opinion that the amount of anthracite coal imported into Canada from the United States at the present time, totalling probably four million tons, could very well be left in that country provided we could take immediate action for the establishment of coking plants to use our Nova Scotia coal. Not only that, but we have some of the best coking coals at the foothills of the Rocky mountains that there are in this continent, and coal from western Alberta can be coked successfully and sold for domestic use in the prairie provinces in the event of the people there not wanting to burn lignite coals.
There is one other question. The world is entirely over produced in coal to-day. Over production due to the war time trade is the great problem in the United States. Over production in Alberta is admitted by the representatives of that province in this House to be one of their problems. If we are going to successfully operate the coal mines in this country to the maximum production, it will certainly be necessary to have some control of the number of mines that are operated. If Ontario is able to take two or three million tons of Alberta coal, the mining of that quantity is only going to mean a scramble to open new mines to the detriment of those already in existence. That is one of the questions that a committee appointed by this House should very carefully study. I have been in conversation with hon. members opposite who have spoken on the question, and I am quite in accord with some things they have told me-I refer to men from the Maritime provinces. 1 am told that there are mines there that are not efficiently operated or possibly cannot be efficiently operated. Why cannot we have a complete analyses of the whole question of coal mining in Nova Scotia and Alberta? Why cannot efficient mines be operated to their full capacity? I believe that the people in Ontario and Quebec, if they feel that Nova Scotia and Alberta as provinces are giving them the most efficient mining possible, will be willing to pay a little additional for fuel from those provinces. They
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will not hesitate to pay an extra dollar or two per ton for coke made within our own country; they will gladly co-operate in doing so. But, Mr. Speaker, there is a feeling throughout the province of Ontario among coal users, that Alberta coal costs too much at the pits' mouth, and that Nova Scotia coal-due to expensive methods of mining, due to the great depth and the amount of water that has to be pumped-costs too much at the mines' mouth, and that the users in Ontario are being asked to absorb a cost that is altogether out of line with the cost of coal in the United States. In this connection let me give you just one or two figures that were compiled by the Fuel Board. Pocahontas coal is a high grade bituminous coal which is sold in the United States for domestic purposes. Pocahontas coal can be laid down in Toronto for S9.75, whilst coal from Alberta costs S4 at the mines, and $7 a ton for freight to Toronto, making $11 in all. The people of Ontario feel that if they could get Alberta coal for anything like the same price, heat value considered, or within a dollar or two, they would be quite satisfied to use the domestic fuel; but until the mines of Alberta and Nova Scotia have been brought to a greater state of efficiency, we should not ask the Ontario user to pay an additional $2 or $3 a ton for his coal.
In supporting the motion 'before the committee I am going to say that I think it is important for tiwo or three re*asons. With regard to the movement of western coal, I agree with the hon. member who has just taken his seat, and with the hon. member for East Lambton (Mr. Armstrong) that Alberta coal can be transported more cheaply than the National railways are prepared to admit. I am afraid that railway men dio not know a very great deal about 'their own business. In arriving at the cost of transportation they have a system of figuring up how many tons of freight they carry a given number of miles. They estimate that so many billion tons of freight are moved for so many miles, they take the total cost of their own system, they divide these billions of tons into billions of dollars, and then they give as the result a cost so much per ton mile to move that freight. I contend that system is not a correct system. I maintain that the National railways and the Canadian Pacific railway have a definite fixed overhead, and like any manufacturing business that can throw an additional twenty-five per cent volume into its operations, it automatically lowers the overhead and reduces the cost. If the Canadian National railways and the Canadian Pacific couldl haul five million tons of coal from 
Alberta over their systems, they would thereby reduce their overhead, and1 could carry coal for less money. I think coal can be carried from Alberta to Fort William at the head of the lakes for S3 to $4 per ton; and with the steamship equipment which we have it can be moved to Goderich, Kincardine, Sarnia, and other ports on the Georgian Bay for $1 a ton. From these points there radiate lines of the National railways over which the tonnage would go at reasonable freight rates to serve the whole western part of Ontario. Therefore I think there are two things which the committee should certainly look into. First, the committee should consider whether or not the mining business in Alberta can be So arranged thalt the greatest efficiency will obtain in the production of coal, and that there will not be too much overlapping by the opening of new mines; and secondly, the question whether or not ithe Canadian National railways can transport Alberta coal to the head of the lakes, and thence by boat to central Ontario ports, for less than seven dollars a ton.
I would suggest that in the public interest we should start a publicity campaign in Ontario and Quebec to teach our people that our own coal coked is a better domestic fuel than anthracite.


Charles Marcil: How would1 ithe price compare with American coal?


James Malcolm: Coke made from American coal was sold last May around ten dollars a ton wholesale in Toronto, and anthracite was sold about the same price. There is one thing which it is always rather difficult to understand. We are constantly talking about the resale or retail price of anthracite and the wholesale price of Alberta ecal. Anthracite coal, Alberta coal and every other coal as the Minister of the Interior said, are sold at a great advance over the wholesale price. The cost of distribution of coal to-dlay is one of the most serious factor's the coal user has to face and the committee could well investigate that feature. With the information we have in our possession, compiled by the Dominion Fuel Board, I would like very much to see a committee formed to deal with this important problem, and endeavour to ascertain how we can best secure Nova Scotia and Alberta coal for domestic use in Ontario.
With regard to the use of coal in Ontario, we in Canada produce about 13,600,000 tons of coal, and we import about 16,000,000 tons. Hon. members speak as though we bring all our coal from the United States. We are now using almost 50 per cent of Canadian coal. The question of bituminous coal or

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steam coal for the province of Ontario is a very serious one and manufacturing businesses are involved to such an extent that it is doubtful whether they can pay the price for coal brought from Alberta. American coal is landed at some points in Canada at five dollars a ton, and is landed in Toronto at five and a half dollars a ton, which is about the cost of transporting Alberta coal to Ontario, and before we exclude American steam coal from the market we would have to consider other matters in connection with power and with our industries where cheap coal is an important factor. The investigation of that question would take a great deal of time before the committee, and probably occupy a good many sessions of parliament.
The hon. member who spoke a short time ago mentioned the question of salt. That is a commodity that is used in the everyday life of Canada. It is brought into Canada from all parts of the world. We are not like China in that we do not put a tax on salt. It is allowed to come into Canada free and is also refined in Canada. The cost is purely the evaporation cost, and it takes about two-thirds of a ton of coal to make a ton of salt. If you exclude the American bituminous coal you are going to double the price of Canadian made salt. That is a question that would have to be considered. Therefore, I think we can well afford to leave out the question of industrial bituminous coal in the meantime. If we can succeed in dealing with the domestic fuel problem and can educate our householders to use domestic coal or coke made therefrom in the Dominion, we have gone a long way towards solving our fuel problem.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
Mr. MACKENZIE KING moved the adjournment of the House.
Robert James Manion: What is the business for
to-morrow?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: To-morow
is government day. We purpose taking such motions as may be on the order paper and then to proceed with Supply. We will take up first the estimates of the Department of Customs, and if we do not occupy the entire day with those estimates, we will take up the Department of Public Works.
Motion agreed to and the House adjourned at 11.08 p.m.
Tuesday, March 16, 1926