1918-05-23

Mr. NICKLE:: 
Sir SIAM HUGHES:: I most respectfully protest, as one member of the House, against this procedure. Yesterday morning there was a Bill brought in here and not ten members of the House knew what the Bill was about, nor could we hear one word of what transpired in the discussion of it. I speak in ail kindness, and I say it is most painful to have to sit here and

not know what business is being discussed before the House.


Mr. SPEAKER:: The question before the House is a motion for concurrence in certain Orders in Council, notice of which has been on the Votes and Proceedings far some time.


Sir WILFEID LAURIER:: It would appear that most of these Orders in Council are purely technical, and so far as my information goes at the present time, they are unobjectionable. The objection of my hon. friend (Sir Sam Hughes) is well founded. We have to take these rather on trust than anything else. For my part I am satisfied, because I have looked at them, and possibly I am the only man in the House who has done so.
a.nd other soldiers and the dependents of those killed while on active service, and1 any other matters relating thereto or connected therewith, he commended to the consideration of the Government.


Mr. ROBB:: I draw attention to the fact that Mr. Power is not in the House.


Mr. ROWELL:: I have no objection to let the motion stand until Mr. Power comes in. Mr. Power was a member of the Pensions Committee and it was arranged that he should second the motion.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The motion can be seconded by Mr. McCurdy.


Newton Wesley Rowell: It was understood it would be seconded by a member of the committee representing the other side of the House.


Sir GEORGE FOSTER:: It is the fault of hon. members themselves if they have not looked at these Orders in Council, because they have been on the table of the House for a considerable time. The statute provides that such Orders in Council shall be laid on the table of the House within a certain number of days after the session opens, and that was complied with, and they have been here for the use of hon. members.


Wilfrid Laurier: It is the fault of the Government who brought them down so late.


George Green Foster: No, no.


Wilfrid Laurier: Yes, yes.


Mr. BUREAU:: The Order in Council that was brought down yesterday did not lie on the table of the House all session.


George Green Foster: I was not speaking of that one; I was speaking of those Orders in Council which have been on the table of the House ever since thirty days after the opening of the session.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.


Newton Wesley Rowell: Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, seconded by Mr. Power:
That the recommendations contained in the third report of the Special Committee, appointed on the 10th day of April, 1918, to consider and report upon the Pension Board, the Pension Regulations and the sufficiency or otherwise of the relief afforded thereunder, the Pension lists in force in Canada for disabled


Samuel Hughes: Why don't you whisper what you are saying?


Newton Wesley Rowell: I said it was understood that the motion would be seconded by a member of the committee on the other side of the House.


Mr. D. C. ROSS:: I will second the motion.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The motion is seconded by Mr. Ross.


Newton Wesley Rowell: As the report contains two or three recommendations of great importance in reference to the regulations governing the granting of pensions it is perhaps due to the House that I should say a few words in explanation of some of the most important recommendations.
The members of the House will recollect that the existing pension regulations are based upon a report of a committee of this House made in the year 1916, who at that time carefully considered the whole question. That committee presented certain recommendations' which were approved by the House and passed on to the Government, and the Order in Council creating the Pensions Board and establishing the principles upon which pensions should be granted were based upon the report of that committee.
In order that 'we may better understand the recommendations of the committee now before us, I wish to draw the attention of members of the House to two or three clauses in the existing regulations.
The first clause of the existing pension regulations provides for the appointment of a Board of Pension Commissioners each of whom shall hold office during good behaviour for a period of ten years from the date of his appointment. A permanent commis-

sion was created, it being the view of the House at that time that the pensions should be administered by a board independent of any department of the Government. Then by regulation No. 2 it is provided:
2. Subject to the regulations hereinafter set out, the Commission shall have exclusive jurisdiction and authority to consider and make all grants and payments of military and naval pensions, and of 'gratuities, allowances and assistance to persons wounded, injured or incapacitated in the military or naval service of Canada .(hejneinafter dallied: members) the forces), or to their dependent relatives, and shall have exclusive' jurisdiction and authority to deal with all matters pertaining to such pensions, gratuities, allowances and assistances. (P.C. 1334, June 3rd, 1916.)


Samuel Hughes: What has the board power to do? We cannot hear two consecutive words; we can only hear a word occasionally.


Newton Wesley Rowell: The board has exclusive jurisdiction and authority to consider and make all grants and payments of military and naval pensions and all gratuities, allowances and assistance to persons wounded, injured or incapacitated in the military or naval service of Canada, or to ' their dependent relatives; the board has exclusive jurisdiction and authority to deal with all matters referring to such pensions, gratuities, allo-wanee and assistance. The Board of Pension Commissioners has exclusive jurisdiction within the scope of the regulations to deal with the matters enumerated.


Samuel Hughes: Is that subject to any appeal?


Newton Wesley Rowell: There is no appeal. That was the recommendation of the House at the time. Regulation No. 5 provides:
There shall be no appeals from the decisions of the Commission, but every applicant for a pension, gratuity, allowance or assistance may present' his or her case either personally or by counsel before the full Commission sitting for the purpose of hearing the complaints of those who may have been dissatisfied with the decisions given in the ordinary course of administration,
This provides for a review by the whole board, at which the applicant can be present in person or by counsel.


Mr. MORPHY:: Is it intended that the commission shall sit only in one central place, or will it be a commission which can go to sit in different parts of the country so as to reach the people?


Newton Wesley Rowell: There is no limitation with respect to that. The members of the commission may travel through the
country, and I understand they made a trip west last year or the year before. In this respect they can sit in the same man ner as the Board of Railway Commissioners in different places. But the permanent headquarters are in Ottawa, where the administrative work is carried on.


Samuel Hughes: A great many of these applicants for pensions are persons who are not accustomed to conduct business transactions. Is there any provision that there shall be any barrister or other officer who will look after the interests of those whose petitions for pensions have been presented? In the earlier period there were a great many cases where petitions fell down because of the failure of such persons to properly present their claims.


Newton Wesley Rowell: There is no provision in the existing regulations for the appointment of any person to represent the applicant.


Samuel Hughes: I think there should be.


Newton Wesley Rowell: It was stated before the committee that the proceedings were very informal and that any person by writing a letter or forwarding a communication could have his or her claim taken up and considered. That was the statement made to us by members of the Board of Pension Commissioners.
SiT SAM HUGHES: It might be worth while considering whether it would not be well to have a regularly appointed officer for that duty. Some man or some woman should be appointed to an official position, who would properly present these claims. For example, I have had a claim forwarded to me this morning but I have not had time to go into the details. I do not think this duty should be imposed on the Militia, Department because after all it is not within the scope of the business of that department. There should be an officer who would prepare the case for the. board and see that justice is done to those persons who do not know the technicalities surrounding these applications. That is a. suggestion which I throw out to the Government.


Newton Wesley Rowell: When the Government
comes to consider the other suggestions the suggestion of my hon. friend will be considered. I refer to clause 7 of the existing pension regulations which says:
All pensions awarded to members of the forces shall be determined by the disability of the applicant without reference to his occupation prior to enlistment.

And clause 9 says:
No deduction shall be made from the amount awarded to any pensioner owing to his having undertaken work or perfected himself in some form of industry.
The principle underlying the existing regulations in. respect to the award of pensions approved of by the House in 1916, is that the amount of the pension should be determined by the percentage by-which the applicant's ability to earn a livelihood in the general labour market has been impaired by service, and that his prior occupation should not be taken into consideration in determining the amount of the pension, nor should his earning subsequent to the disability be taken into account in considering the award.


Mr. EDWARDS:: Do they take into consideration the physical condition of the man previous to enlistment? I shall put it this way-I have heard of some oases where disability has been claimed by the returned soldier and the report has 'been to the effect that he was partially physically incapacitated at the time he enlisted, and a deduction is made from the pension on that account. I take the ground that if a man passed the examination and was put in Class A and sent overseas, we should assume that he was in perfect physical condition at the time he enlisted, and that no board has the right to assume that his physical condition was not perfect when hie services were accepted for overseas.


Newton Wesley Rowell: 
Samuel Hughes: Is there any distinction drawn between " honourable wounds " and " dishonourable wounds, or is it just the physical condition of the man that as considered when his pension claim comes up.


Newton Wesley Rowell: There is a provision in the pension regulations winch bears upon that. Section 20 of the existing pension regulation is as follows:
2'0. No pension or allowance shall be paid to a member of the forces or any person dependent upon him when the disability or death in resipect of which the claim is made was occasioned by the intemperance or improper conduct of such member, unless the Commission otherwise consent.


Samuel Hughes: That is in the old pension regulations?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Yes.


Newton Wesley Rowell: Nothing was taken out of the old regulations, tout certain recommendations have been made for modifications of these regulations. It will be seen by a reference to the above table that in the provision of pensions for widows the Canadian scale is higher than that of any other country at war.
The net result is that Canadian pensions are substantially higher than the pensions of any of the other countries at war. It is only fair, however, to point out that in the case of the United States, in addition to the pension, they have a provision for insurance whereby any soldier enlisting in the American forces may take out insurance ranging from $1,000 to $10,000. But the cost of the insurance is deducted from the soldier's pay; he pays for it himself. Of course, he gets the insurance at a very reasonable rate as the extra premium because of war hazard is not added t J the ordinary premium.
Mr. iSHEARD: How is the insurance for the American soldier taken out?


Samuel Hughes: I heard it was omitted Mr. ROWELL: It is under an arrange-from the new regulations.	ment with the United States Government.


Mr. FIELDING:: And not through insurance companies?


Newton Wesley Rowell: 
Hugh Boulton Morphy: Is the American soldier's insurance against disability as well as death, or what is the nature of it?


Newton Wesley Rowell: I am informed by my hon. friend (Mr. McCurdy) that it is only life insurance and does not cover disability. But, if the insurance taken out by the American soldier is $5,000 or exceeding $5,000, then under certain conditions the dependents of the American soldier may receive more under the American system of pensions plus the insurance than would the dependents of a Canadian soldier. But, in the meantime the American solder has had to pay for carrying the insurance.
It was suggested to the committee that we should adopt the system of state insurance for our Canadian soldiers and add it to the existing pension system. The view of the committee was that if some suoh system had been- adopted at the beginning of the war and if our pension system had then formed part of it, the two might have been worked out in a practicable way. But at the present time in view of the fact that we have adopted a scale of pensions which is higher than that of any other country, and in view of the fact that so many casualties have already occurred, the committee did not favourably consider the proposition to introduce at the present time a system of state insurance for our soldiers in addition to the present pension scale.


Samuel Hughes: That matter was considered at the very beginning but uncertainty as to the length of the war and lack of general information on which to base a judgment were factors in the determination that it was not worth introducing an insurance system at that time.


Newton Wesley Rowell: In any case, under the existing regulations our soldiers will come 
out as well, if not better on the whole, than the soldiers of any other country.
Another question was pressed upon the attention of the committee-and I mention it because it is dealt with in the evidence but is not touched upon in the report- that is of the inequality of pensions between officers and men. There again, if the principle of equal pensions had been adopted at the outbreak of -the war, many members of the committee would have approved of the principle, and- they do approve of it in theory. But in view of the fact that the war has been going on for four years and officers and men -alike have gone overseas oh the hasi-s of the existing regulations which give higher pensions to officers and men, the committee thought it would not be fair now to suggest a. -change in the principle and) provide for an equality of pensions for officers and -men.


William Cameron Edwards: Is that on the ground that there was a contractual agreement?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Some put it on the ground that there was a contractual agreement and, while others did not put it on that ground' the conclusion was that it was not desirable to recommend a change in the system at this time.


Samuel Hughes: Do not all nations recognize inequality in this respect as between officers and men? -


Newton Wesley Rowell: I believe so, with the exception of the United States. The committee was informed that the United States did not recognize that distinction.
Sir -SAM HUGHES: The United States pensions for the officers are far greater than the pensions for the men.
-Mr. ROWELL: We were advised in the committee by -the solicitor for the Pension Board, and he stated it very clearly, that in the present pension regulations of the United -States officers and men stood upon the same 'footing.
Sir -SAM HUGHES: Nothing of the kind, unless there has been some change recently.


Newton Wesley Rowell: Another matter urged upon the attention of the committee and with reference to which no recommendation appears in the report was that we should supplement the pensions now being received by the reservists of allied countries who lived in Canada at the outbreak of the war, so as to bring them up to the standard of the pensions now being paid in Canada.

In connection with that suggestion, the committee secured information as to the number of reservists of the different allied countries who had left Canada to fight in the armies of their own countries.
There were 3,232 British reservists in Canada at the. outbreak of the war. Of this number 2,779 left at once and joined the colours; 153 were serving in the permanent forces, 194 were found physically unlit for active service, and 106 were unaccounted for.
The Belgian Consul -General estimated the number of Belgian reservists at about 1,100. The French Consul General estimated the number of French reservists- as 5,000. The Italian Con-sul General put the number repatriated through the consulate at 5,000, and those repatriated voluntarily between 2,000 and 3,000.
After giving the matter the most careful consideration, the committee reached the conclusion that at the present time they could not recommend that the pensions of these reservists shoutd be supplemented. The committee thought that, in view of the obligations Canada has undertaken we were discharging our duty by providing pensions on the scale at which they are established for our own soldiers-.


Samuel Hughes: There were a great number of these reservists, belonging to various countries, who at the beginning of the war came from the United States and were forwarded from Canada overseas. They certainly should not be charged to Canada.


Mr. BOWELL:: 
Mackenzie Bowell: No. He is recognized under the British Pension Act.
-Sir SAM HUGHES: And we do not recognize him?


Newton Wesley Rowell: He gets his pension from Great Britain.


Samuel Hughes: We deliberately induced a great many Canadians to leave the Canadian service and enter the British service. Surely these men- who enlisted in our service and who, by an arrangement with the British Government were taken over to the Imperial service, should receive a Canadian pension. It is not fair to these boys not to recognize them. I think they should be given -Canadian, pensions.


Mackenzie Bowell: The committee -considered the matter, and it appealed very strongly to many members of the committee, but I want to draw the attention of the House to the fact that the report of the committee recommends that a committee -be appointed at the opening of next session with the view of considering the whole matter and of drafting a pension law which will be submitted to Parliament. Many of these questions will be considered then when we come to pass a permanent law.


Samuel Hughes: Hear, hear.


Mackenzie Bowell: In the brief time at the
disposal of the committee they did not feel they could do justice- to a matter of that kind. '


Mr. COCKSHUTT:: Do the regulations
provide that the pension shall begin immediately when the military -pay ceases? In other words, will the pay of the soldier continue until the pension 'begins? That is a point about which w-e have had -a great deal of trouble. .


Newton Wesley Rowell: That is an understanding between the Department of Militia and- the Pensions Board. I think they are working at the present time on the basis that the separation allowance and assigned pay should continue for three months and then the pension commences. I think there is a conference now being held with a view to shortening that period and having the pension commence at -an earlier date. At all events, that is the desire of the department.
Paragraph 9 of the recommendations- of the committee deals with the question raised ,by my hon. friend from Frontenao (Mr. Edwards), and I shall read that paragraph:
9. That no deduction should be made from the pension of any member who has served in

a theatre of actual war, other than the United Kingdom, on account of any disability or disabling- condition existing prior to enlistment, provided that the pre-enlistment disability or disabling condition had not been wilfully concealed by the said member, or was not obviously apparent in said member at the time of enlistment.
In other words, the Committee recommends that the existing regulations he changed so as to provide that if a man actually gets to the front and serves in France, that fact shall he deemed adequate evidence that he was physically fit at the time of enlistment, and the question of any prior disability shall no longer be taken into account in the case of a man who has actually served at the front, unless it was concealed at enlistment or was obvious.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Suppose he did not serve in France but served in England?


Newton Wesley Rowell: The Committee did not see fit to suggest a change in the existing regulations in that respect. They considered that if he was in fact partially disabled at the time of enlistment and did not actually get to the theatre of the war and take part in it, the existing regulations would continue to apply, and the pension would be based on the aggravation of the disability rather than on the total disability.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: May I cite a case that I have had communicated to me. A young man had what they call a football knee, the infirmity attaching to which only appears at certain intervals. He went over to England, and is now back drawing a pension of $20 a month, and1 the only disability he has is his football knee which he took over with him.


Newton Wesley Rowell: That would be a case in which the Pension Commission had not discovered the prior disability when awarding the pension. In a case of that kind an opportunity for revision is open to the Pension Board, and I assume it would be their duty to review it when further information comes to their knowledge.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I remember being in the House when wholesale charges were made by members of the Opposition concerning defective medical inspection, particularly at the time of the first rush of volunteers. There may be very many cases similar to that which I have mentioned, and I think the Pension Board should have machinery at its disposal to eliminate all fraudulent claims for pensions.


William Foster Cockshutt: Is there any time limit within which a pension must be applied for? If a man should defer his

claim for a number of months or for a year, is he debarred from making his claim for a pension? In fact, his injury may not have developed at the time of his discharge and he can only learn it from experience.


Newton Wesley Rowell: He has two years from the date of his discharge within which to make his application. In fact, it is not necessary under the regulations to make application for a pension. When a man is discharged, or prior to his discharge, the report of his medical board is passed on to the Pension Board, and if it is a case for a pension it is the duty of the board to investigate and to award a pension.
Then, recommendation No. 10 makes a change in the existing regulations:
10. That pensions should Ibe awarded for disability in accordance with the rank or acting rank of the member at the time the disability was incurred; that no variation in rank after such disability is incurred should affect any pension. The word "disability" as used in this paragraph means suc-h a disability as unfits a member for service in a theatre of actual war, other than the United Kingdom ; and that any award heretofore made should be. reviewed and determined for,the purpose of future payments in accordance with the provisions herein mentioned.
Under the existing regulations a pension is awarded on the basis of the rank of the pensioner at the date of discharge, and the man who has suffered a disability, and thereafter serving either in Great Britain or in Canada, away from the actual theatre of war, might be promoted in the ordinary course of military service and thereby receive a larger pension. The committee reached the conclusion that a pension should be awarded on the basis of the rank held by the man at the time he incurred the disability, and the committee has so reported.
Section 25 of the recommendation introduces another important principle to which I desire to direct the attention of the House. Section 25 is as follows:
25. That the regulations now in force with regard to the awarding of pensions to dependents should be amended so as to provide that a parent, or a person in the place of a parent, who was not wholly or materially maintained by a member at the time of his death, and who at a subsequent time becomes dependent, may be awarded a pension provided he or she is incapacitated, either mentally or physically, from earning a livelihood, and if in the opinion of the Commission the member would wholly or to a material extent have maintained such parent or person had the member not died.
The House will see that this introduces to a limited extent the principle of prospective dependency. Where a man has not up to the date of his enlistment materially

contributed to the support of his parents, and the parents subsequently become dependent, pension may be awarded under the conditions mentioned in this regulation. It was designed to apply to cases of this character: parents in humble circumstances have provided out of their limited resources for the education of their boy, and he has gone to the front and has fallen in action. He had not contributed anything to their support up to the time of his enlistment, but his parents had reasonable expectation that he would contribute to/ their support ini their old age. Under these conditions the committee thought that provision should be made for a case of that kind.
These matters to which I have referred outline the more important changes in connection with the recommendations of the committee, and I have much pleasure in moving that the report of the committee be received. I recommend it to the favourable consideration of the House.


Mr. SHEARD:: Are these changes merely suggested for the consideration and approval of the Government? Shall we have a chance to consider them at a future date thoroughly in detail before they are finally adopted and passed into law?


Newton Wesley Rowell: That would depend, of course, on the view the Government would take of these recommendations. The Pension Board have urged upon the Government that 'some of these recommendations should be put in force without delay, to meet serious cases of hardship which have arisen and which are now pending. It would be quite within the power of the Government to give effect to these recommendations by Order in Council amending the existing regulations. But a general Pension Act will have to be passed sooner or later, and that must necessarily stand over until another session.


Mr. H. F. McLEOD (York-Sunbury):: I understand the regulation is contemplated to cover a case such as this which I have in mind-a woman has a son who is just reaching the age at which he would become her support, and he enlists and goes overseas, and is killed. The Pension Board takes the ground that because this boy was not the sole support of his mother at the time he went overseas, she is not entitled to a pension on account of his death. Does this recommendation in the report of the committee change the existing regulation so that that woman may receive a pension on account of the prospective support she
would have received from this son had he lived?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Paragraph 25 of the recommendation of the committee makes provision for such cases of extreme hardship. That is what is contemplated, and that is the change proposed.


Mr. MANION:: Will these recommendations be printed and sent to members of the House?


Newton Wesley Rowell: A resolution already
adopted calls for the printing of these recommendations of the committee, together with the evidence given before the committee.
Mr. D. G. ROS'S (Middlesex W.): In order to expedite the business of the House I have, in the absence of Mr. Power, seconded the motion of the President of the Privy 'Council for the reception of this report. I would ask every hon. member of this House, if he can possibly spare the time, to peruse with care the evidence taken before the 'Special Pensions Committee, and il think he will find it not only very instructive but very interesting.
I would refer particularly to the evidence o: Colonel Russell in regard to the dealing of the Board of Pension Commissioners with cases of shell shock. The success they are having in the hospitals of this country in treating these cases is so remarkable as to be almost romantic. The committee had before them not only the members of the Pensions Board and their physicians, but also those who might be interested as soldiers, or returned) soldiers, and the officers or organizations who have the interest of the returned soldiers at heart. These gentlemen stated their complaints and offered suggestions. If you look at the report of the committee, you will find that the first recommendations are along the line of administration, and suggestions are made that the commissioners were not themselves in as close personal .touch with the affairs of the Pensions Board [DOT]ps the interest of the returned soldiers required. As a matter of fact, your committee found that pensions were granted .without even the signature of a commissioner.
We ithought that, in the interest of the administration of this most important matter, we would recommend that one commissioner at least should append his personal signature to every pension awarded, and that a regulation be passed that these commissioners who were receiving good salaries should devote all their time to this im-

portant task. We recommended, also, in order to meet a complaint made by the soldiers, that returned soldiers who have been granted a pension should be notified at once, or as soon as practically possible, of the decision of the board. These matters were aill recommended by officers of the Returned Soldiers' Association. Another change was recommended by your committee on account of the evidence given by returned soldiers and by examiners on local medical boards. The question arose

and it was a very important question-as to which was the better board to decide the amount of disability a soldier suffered. It was contended by the returned soldiers -very moderately, but very firmly-that the original examining board, before whom the man appeared and told his story, and where a personal examination was made, was in a better position to determine the amount of his disability than the board at headquarters. On the other hand, it was contended that that examining board was very apt to be influenced by personal sympathy and friendship for the returned soldier, and was likely to make -a recommendation in regard to his disability altogether out of proportion to that disability. Therefore, a middle course was adopted and the committee recommended that, in case of a wide variation between the recommendation made by the original board and the recommendation of the board at headquarters as to a soldier's disability, they shall confer together and then, by conferring together, arrive at a conclusion that seems satisfactory and fair to both. In this way the returned soldier will likely get a more careful consideration of his claim than he otherwise would. All these recommendations have been made in the interests of the returned soldier.
The further recommendation is made that these boards be Conducted as civil boards and not so much as military boards. The contention was made by the returned soldier-and I can see how it can be justly made-that he comes before two or three doctors, sitting as a medical hoard, with all the fuss and feathers that go with that sort of thing, the stiffness, the discipline and the fear of his superior officer, so that he can hardly ask a question that he is not contradicted by an officer, and that he is - not getting that sympathetic consideration which be thinks he is entitled to. He is not on equal terms with the officer. The contention is also made that an officer receives more favourable

consideration than a private. I think that, if we make the recommendation that these medical boards should deal with .all soldiers as if they were dealing with civilians, man to man, and not as soldiers dealing with inferiors, or as an officer dealing with a private, it will be in the interest of the soldier and will, I am sure, meet with the approval of the House.
'I may say, as has already been said, that we went into the evidence in regard to the pensions given in this country and the pensions given lin other 'countries,: .and came to the conclusion that the pensions given by the people of Canada to their returned soldiers were more liberal than the pensions given by any other country. We also caime to the conclusion .'that, on 'account of the promises made to officers who have gone overseas, it would, at the present time, be hardly fair, and hardly in keeping with our pledges to these officers to recommend equality of pension between officers and men. As a matter of sympathy, or of consideration of the station of life in which these officers and -men live, there is a great deal to be said in regard to the equality of pensions granted to officers and men. In many cases living in just as elevated a social position as the officers who have gone to the trenches as privates, have done their work just as well, have taken the same risks, and have left the same dependents at home, for whom they care just-as much as the officers. If this country were going to war again and establishing a pension list, for my own part, I would favour equality of pensions to our officers and men in the service.


Mr. E. LAPOINTE:: Hear, hear.
- Mr. ROSS: These recommendations have come from the returned soldiers. One matter which has caused a great deal of anxiety and a great many complaints on the part of the returned soldiers is the fact that when a man goes up to be re-examined he has no assurance that his expenses will be paid. We have made provision for that in section 13, which reads:
13. That whenever a pensioner is required to he medically re-examined he shall he entitled to be paid a reasonable amount for travelling expenses and subsistence or loss of wages.
I think that is only fair.
There are two important changes recommended in this report. Under the old practice pensions were granted to men as at the date of their discharge. I think the pension commissioners were following the rules and regulations- in granting pensions on that basis, as those rules and regula-

tions stood, but I do not think it is the right way to do it. It leaves the door open to all kinds of fraud and log-rolling. A man may suffer a disability to-day as a lieutenant, and be entitled to a lieutenant's pension. He may be afterwards promoted to a captaincy, a majority, a colonelcy, probably without good cause, at the instigation of his political friends, and not for merit, and before he is discharged he may be serving in the rank of major. Under the old regulations he would be entitled to a major's pension. I think the recommendation of the committee in this regard will meet with the approval of every member of the House.


Mr. ARTHURS:: Where a man of a good family goes over as a private, is injured several times, is afterwards made an officer, and becomes partially disabled, does he receive a private's pension?


Duncan Campbell Ross: It depends on the last disability of the man. If a man went over, was wounded, was promoted to a lieutenantcy and was wounded again, or promoted to captaincy and wounded again, he would be pensioned on the basis of his rank at the time the last disability occurred. But the committee has gone further than that. They have passed another resolution to provide for past cases. They say that if log-rolling has occurred in the past, and men have been given a pension when discharged, we think they should have been given a pension according to rank at the time of their disability, so that they will not be asked to pay back to the country the money they have received in addition to what they should have received, and that in the future their pensions will be based upon the amount they would be entitled to receive as pensions at the date of their disability.
The next important recommendation made by the committee is one already spoken o'f by the President of the Privy Council, in regard to prospective dependents, and I do not intend to add anything to what the hon. minister said. Many cases have arisen which the Pension Board could not consider under the regulations. They were cases of very great hardship. A woman had been educating a son, for instance, and she had probably taken all the insurance money which she received on account of the death of her husband to educate that son. Many other instances of great hardship could be cited. That woman has sent that son to university, and spent all her money on his education. She was not de-
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pendent upon him at the time of enlistment. He was not earning anything, but, under the present regulations, if the boy were killed she would not be entitled to a pension. The committee thought she should be entitled to a pension. The time would have come in that young man's life when he would have supported his mother, and when she would have been dependent upon him. We thought that that was one case in Which a pension should be given to a widow. We thought that similar cases should be provided for in like manner.
This committee does not pretend that they have covered the whole field of pension awards. With the evidence we had, we made the best report we could. Our report is along the line of alleviation of the complaints of the returned soldiers, and is an endeavour to give them more liberal consideration than they received under the old pensions. We thought that they deserved this consideration, and I trust the House will approve of the recommendation contained in the report.


Mr. H. H. STEVENS (Vancouver):: I would not trespass on the time of the House at this late stage in the session, were it not for the fact that I think I should say a few words in regard to a matter with which my name was connected, which came before the committee-


George Green Foster: I do not interrupt with any idea of suppressing discussion, but we are endeavouring to prorogue to-night, and I would suggest that members make their remarks as concisely as possible and say as little as possible.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I had no desire to prolong the discussion at all. I have not trespassed on the time of the House at any great length this session. Unfortunately, on account of this question of pensions, I have already incurred the displeasure of some of the ministers, and I desire the opportunity of saying a few word's in explanation of my stand on this question. On April 23 I sent a letter to the President of the Privy 'Council and Chairman of the Pensions Committee. That letter was published in the press, and some hon. gentlemen have stated that I did not extend the proper courtesy to the President of the Privy Council, or to the committee, in that I published the letter before giving them an opportunity of discussing it in committee. That is absolutely not the fact. I did not know the letter had been published, or even that it was before the



committee, until I received a communication from the President of the Privy Council. I had nothing -whatsoever to do with the publication. I do not regret that the letter was published', or that the matter to which it referred was aired before the committee. My object in bringing it to the attention of the President of the Privy Council was this; that the granting of the pension to Col. Labatt, referred to in that letter, gave clear evidence, in my estimation at least, of a method of administration of the pension laws of this country which was entirely unfair to the rank and file, and showed undue partiality to those in higher ranks. In order to warn the Government of that course of action, and to have it rectified-because I could not conceive that such a course had been pursued with the Government's approval-I sent the letter to the minister. I had no idea whatever that it would be published, or even given to the committee. I still contend, in spite of the report of the Committee, that this matter must receive the attention of this House, of the Government, and of the Pension Board, and must be rectified, or otherwise the country at large will not consider that the pension regulations are being properly and fairly administered. I will give the House a very short comparison of pensions. A man walked 160 miles from the Northland, enlisted at Edmonton, was overseas for two years, was wounded, suffered shell shock, and had one lung permanently affected. He returns to Canada totally useless as far as soldiers work overseas is concerned, and he receives the handsome sum of $20 a month. Col. Labatt comes back to Canada. Whatever may be the justification for the granting of a pension to him, I am not concerned with if the regulations were properly carried out. The regulations need radical amendment. Col. Labatt comes back and receives $2,300 a year. That includes the amount for the children.


Mr. LEMIEUX:: And Senator Bradbury.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I will take the case of a brakeman. A brakeman naturally must be in possession of his physical faculties to carry on his work. I know a brakeman who returned to Canada permanently disabled and unable to carry on his work. He received another job, it is true, but he is incapacitated for the work of a brakeman. He receives $7 a month. I could give many other cases, but I will simply cite the case of a fisherman in my own town. This man worked for years to my personal knowledge as a fisherman.

These three men to whom I refer were physically examined and accepted as perfect specimens. This fisherman went overseas, fought for the country in the trenches, was wounded and came back to Canada. He was given $50 as a sort of gift and told to go. He cannot carry on his former occupation; he cannot fish. When he tries to fish he is crippled with rheumatism, as a result of the winter in the trenches in France. I desire to a6k the Pension Commissioners, if Col. Labatt's pension was properly granted, what amount should these men I have referred to be awarded. If, as stated by the Minister of Militia and others, this pension was properly granted to Col. Labatt under the regulations, my contention is that the regulations are woefully amiss. This report telle us that, according to the regulations, labour power is the basis upon which the pensions should be granted. If a man is incapacitated, and unable to go into the open labour market and earn a living alongside of a man digging a ditch, that is the basis upon which his disability is to be awarded. Any man with common sense knows that the major portion of the senior officers who have gone overseas could not, at the time they entered the service, go into the labour market and earn anything. They may be doctors, engineers, lawyers, business men, bankers, or insurance men. It may be that for ten, fifteen or twenty years they were not physically able to go into the labour market, and why in these cases should we make a man's capability of going out into the labour market and earning a day's pay digging a ditch the basis upon which a pension should be granted? The absolute fallacy of this argument is clear, for this reason. Col. Labatt came back to Canada and served for some months in Niagara Camp as manager, ot director or commanding officer, or whatever you like to call him. If he was suffering from total disability he was certainly not fit to- command the Niagara Camp efficiently. But he comes back and he is capable of commanding this camp. They tell us he is ,an excellent soldier. He is not only capable of doing that work, but he is placed on the Pension Board. One of the commissioners was unable to give his attention to the matter, but Col. Labatt, on account of his superior ability, gave supervaluable services to the Pension Board, 'and yet he was suffering 100 per cent disability. If you are going to make the basis of the disability allowance a man's physical strength to go into the open .labour market, I say it is absolutely ridicu-

Ions and absurd to use that basis, if, on the other hand, you are going to allow men ,to go into professional life and earn a full jiving, $5,000 a year. Therefore, I say, if you adopt that as a principle upon which .you are going to consider a man's disability, then you have to accept the principle of the levelling of the pensions. You can-pot have as the basis of pensions the ability ,to earn a livelihood in the market on the ,one hand, and, on the other hand, have a grade of pensions from $7 a month up to $2,300 per year. If you are going to accept ,as the basis for considering the disability pf a man, his capability of earning a living in the labour market, then you have to adopt the policy or principle of the levelling up pension.


Mr. McKENZIE:: Must we not, at the ,same time, recognize the rank of the individual? One thing is a disability, but when you come to the stage of granting the pension, must we not recognize, under ,the regulations, the position which the individual soldier occupies?
Mr. SfTEVENlS: The principle upon which .it is based is this: here is a man who is ,an officer and therefore is supposed to be of a little superior stamp to a private, and more cultured. His methods of life are more costly, and, therefore, we should give him a higher pension. I call your attention to this. In the volunteer army there .are thousands of men who leave good positions, lawyers who have quit their practice, doctors who forsake their practice, business men who give up their business; men by the hundreds andi thousands who have ruined themselves financially. These men have gone over, and many of them are in the ranks to-day. These men are just as much entitled to consideration from the social standpoint, or from the standpoint .of the standard of living, as the officer, and if you are going to introduce into our pensions system the graduation of pensions, you must recognize the standing of a private or corporal 'in his social life, but it is not so under the regulations. My point is that the regulations are certainly a long way from being even practicable or reasonable.
Another point I wish to make is that we could prevent the payment of pensions, as far as public servants are concerned, to men who are, we will say, earning a good salary. I am not going to say what that salary shall be, but if a man can come back to Canada and earn $5,000 a year, to be paid out of the public treasury, I contend that he has absolutely no right to claim a pension also from the country in
addition to his salary. I do not wish to single out the case of Col. Labatt, but his case has been under consideration. He was receiving from the public treasury, $7,300 per year. I say that is unreasonable. Many of the soldiers of our forces overseas will have been there four or five years before they will return, and we will give them small pensions, as we are bound to do, when they return, because the country will not sanction a handsome pension to 400,000 men. We will offer them a small pension, and I do not think the Government would have the face to go to these men and offer them that small pension, and allow another man to draw $7,300 a year from the public treasury.


Mr. W. F. MACLEAN:: What would you do with a private who came back and took the position of postman? Would you not give him a pension?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Yes. I would make the distinction only when the salary was a reasonable amount, say $1,800 or $2,000- an ordinary livelihood, keeping well above what you might call the poorer classes. It is not the poorer class that go into the public treasury for the amounts I have mentioned. I wish to impress' upon this Government, not with any desire to harass the Government, but in all kindness, that *they cannot play fast and loose with the soldiers in this country, nor can they play fast and loose with the treasury of the country in regard to pensions or any other expenditure of public money. We have to deal fairly with these matters, and if we want the soldiers to accept the small pensions which we are bound to give them-'because we cannot give a high pension to them all- we must not single out any individual class or person for special consideration in regard to the payment of pensions.


George Green Foster: If there is a disposition to have a further debate on this question, I desire to intervene at the present time in order to facilitate business, and I move that we proceed to Government Orders, so that we may dispose of some of the Bills we have recently received from the Senate, and discuss this matter later.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
Hon. C. J. DOHERTY moved that the amendments made by the Senate to Bill 69, to amend the Criminal Code, be read the second time.
Wilfrid Laurier: Explain.
. Mr. DOHERTY: They consist in the elimination of what I believe to be the most important provisions of the Bill. As I have had occasion to say in regard to another similar question, I would very much prefer to word my motion in this way, that I submit for the moment to these amendments rather than that I concur in them. The provisions of the Bill dealing with the important subject of the raising of the age of consent, concerning which there was, I think, practical unanimity in this House-which, under present circumstances, I think may fairly claim to represent the public opinion of the country- have been stricken out by the Senate. I cannot truthfully say that I am prepared to concur in any action of that kind. On the other hand, there remain in the Bill provisions which have been earnestly asked for, particularly by persons interested in the guardianship and protection of the child, which I would be sorry to see fail of enactment. There are also provisions which have been urged upon me as of great importance to cure a grave evil, more particularly in British Columbia. I refer to the [DOT]clause amending the provisions with regard-to gambling. That, too, is an improvement in the law urgently needed which I would be sorry to see delayed. In order to avoid the postponement of the enactment of these provisions which are left to us-and I cannot but feel that the Bill in its main purposes fails of achieving its effect by reason of the action taken in the other House-I am prepared to accept these amendments.
I understand the reason moving the honourable gentlemen of the Senate in their action striking out these important clauses was mainly that they thought the cnange effected in the law was so serious that the Government should give it further consideration. And ! shall see to it, if I snonld be here in t'he coming session, that at the earliest possible moment these hon. gentlemen shall have an opportunity to reconsider the action which they have taken in this instance.
Amendments concurred in.



INCOME WAR-TAX ACT, 1917 AMENDMENT.


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The House proceeded to the consideration of the amendment made by the Senate to Bill No. 85, to amend the Income War-Tax Act, 1917.
Hon. A. K. MACLEAN (Acting Munster of Finance):: Mr. Speaker, by the Income Tax Act of this session, clause 4 of the Act of 1917 was amended so as to make taxable the income received by any person from any source within Canada; that has no relation whatever to incomes derived from business or from investments within (Canada by persons ordinarily resident in Canada. For instance, in the Income Tax Act as it now stands, the interest of moneys invested in Canada by persons in IGreat Britain or the United States was not taxed'. The Bill of this year proposed to make such incomes taxable, but it was represented to th,e Senate and very strong representations yesterday were made to me by certain members of the House, and by persons outside of the House also that this would probably retard the investment of foreign capital in Canada at the present time, or in the near future after the war period. There is a good! deal to be said in support of that view, and under the circumstances, the Senate having seen fit to make this amendment to the Bill, and 'after consultation with my 'colleagues I am of the opinion the amendment should be accepted.
Mr. W. F. MAC-LEAN: Is the effect of the amendment to reduce the income liable to taxation, and will it affect materially the revenue from that source?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Only in one respect, that of the income derived from capital investments, that is all.


Rodolphe Lemieux: It does not relieve the investor in Canada?


Hon. Mr. CARVELL:: It relieves the resident of the United States who has money invested in Canada.


James Alexander Robb: A resident of Great Britain who has money invested in Canada wou'a be relieved under this?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Yes.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Wilfrid Laurier: In the Votes and Proceedings* of yesterday I thought there were several minor amendments made by the Senate to this Bill, but in the Bill which I now have there is only one amendment.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: There is only one amendment.


Wilfrid Laurier: That is all we
are accepting?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: That is all.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Do we understand that the minister accepts under protest this amendment of a money Bill by the Senate?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Yes, under protest.



THE RAILWAY ACT.

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Sir GEORGE FOSTER moved that the Order of the second reading of this Bill be discharged. He said: We have reached a very late hour of the session and there is a general desire to prorogue as soon as possible. Representations have very largely been made by new members of the House to whom the argument was put that, because the Bill had received the assent, after thorough discussion, of the last Parliament, therefore it might be assumed to be representative of the views of the present Parliament. Taking all this into consideration it is thought better not to proceed with this Bill this year, but to take it up at the session next year, and press it to a conclusion.
William Findlay Maclean: I have sat on committees of this House in connection with the consideration of this very important railway measure, and we have given consideration, and very serious and long consideration to that Bill, in the last Parliament. This is a measure which the requirements of the country call for, and it is still in committee, and now it is proposed that it shall go over for another year. I am quite willing that it should go over, but on the understanding that it is to be introduced early next session, and that we shall have an opportunity of discussing it.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: I understood the hon.
gentleman wanted to put a question. Debate, is not in order on this motion.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I should like to know what is the policy of the Government as regards the amendments that have been made by the Senate.


George Green Foster: I think we might well defer any statement as to the policy of the Government until the time of the introduction of the Bill next year when the policy of the Government will be stated. If that policy were stated now it might only disturb the summer leisure of my hon. friend.


[Stage Direction]
Resolution agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
Mr. Carvell moved the second reading of Bill No. 72, to amend chapter 39 of the statutes of 1917.
Wilfrid Laurier: This Bill has only two clauses; the first clause is in these wards:
(1)	Paragraph (g) of Section two of the War-time Elections Act, Chapter 39 of the Statutes of 1917, shall apply only to a General Election.
And the second clause is:
(2)	This Act shall be deemed to have come into operation on the eighteenth of March in the year one thousand, nine hundred and eighteen.
This Bill is to come to the relief of my hon. friend the member for Lanark (Mr. Stewart), who was elected a few days ago. Section (g) of the War-time Elections Act, which is repealed by this Act, provides that the delay between the nomination day and the election day shall be one month, amending the general Act, which says that the-delay, or the space of time between the nomination and the election day shall be one week. The object of this amendment is to restore the former delay and to provide that the space of time between nomination day and election day -shall not bo one month, as it was during the - last election under the War-time Elections Act, but shall be one week. There was an election in the county of Lanark, owing to the death of our friend and member for this House, the late Dr. Hanna. The Order in Council ordering the issue of the writ was made on [DOT] the, 11th April, and the nomination day was fixed to toe on May 2, and the pfiling day on May 9. The election took place, the nomination being on the 2nd May and the poll on the 9th of May, and our colleague the present member was elected. But the whole election was against the law. The delay between nomination day and the polling day should have been, nor one week, but one month, and the second paragraph of this Bill is to validate the election. So far as the election of my hon. friend from Lanark (Mr. Stewart) is concerned, I have no objection that his election should be validated, but I have very strong objections to its being made valid in the way in which it is being made valid by this Bill, that is, by amending the War-time Elections Act. For my part, I would say that that Act should not be amended, it should he abolished altogether; it should

be repealed, and if the Government were ready, or saw fit, to repeal that Act I should have nothing to say about it. But unless they will do so-I will not discuss the question at length, but I wish to record my vote absolutely, at all stages, against this Act,, which I regard as an abomination, and, therefore, I move in amendment:
That all the words in the motion alter the word "that" be left out, and the following sub-situted therefor. 'ttn the opinion of this House the War-time Elections Act should be rerepealed."


Jacques Bureau: When this Bill was introduced there was something said about the date of its going into force. Might I ask why this Act was made to go into force as on the 18th of March instead of, as in the ordinary course of procedure, after it had received the sanction of His Excellency?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: There is no question whatever about the reason for it. It has .been stated by the hon. leader of the Opposition (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) before the War-time Elections Act came into force seven days elapsed between the day of

Domination and the day of election. The War-time Elections Act changed that deJay to a month and the proposal now is to bring the law back to where it stood prior to the War-time Elections Act of 1917, pnd to provide for a lapse of seven days between nomination day and the day of polling. In the election held in the county of Lanark a few weeks ago, the returning officer issued his proclamation giving seven days between nomination and the day of polling. There is a question, and a very serious question, as to whether or not it should have been twenty-eight days, and, in order that there may be no question whatever about it or about the validity of the election, this second clause has been placed in the Bill. T hope there will be no misunderstanding whatever as to the reasons for the introduction of the second clause.


Jacques Bureau: It is another case of confirming an election by legislation instead of having the proper tribunal decide upon the election according to the law.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: There was no election in this case.


Jacques Bureau: Then there is no reason for making this Act retroactive to the 18th of March. This gentleman was elected by acclamation, but there was a mistake made in the issue of the writ. As far as the Yukon election is concerned, the House w.as told that in that case it was at fault, but I hope that this time the country will know that it is not the fault of the House, so that if there is any presumption that the House was guilty with regard to the first error, as to this second error the blame will be laid at the proper door.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I would like my hon. friend to bear in mind that the writ issued by the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery does not fix the date of polling, it orders that the election be held and fixes the day of nomination. The mistake, if such there be, was made by the returning officer who fixed the poll at seven days after the nomination instead of twenty-eight days. My hon. friend (Mr. Bureau) says this is an attempt to confirm an election by legma-tuni I hope he will remember that this election was by acclamation, because only one candidate was nominated, and therefore it could make no possible difference.
Mr. LAPOINTE (Kamouraska) [DOT] Is my hon. friend right? Were not two candidates nominated?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: My hon. friend is right, t'vo candidates were nominated, but one withdrew a few days after the nomination, so that the difference between seven days and twenty-eight days elapsing between the date of nomination. and the polling day makes no difference, because two days after nomination one candidate withdrew so that there is no invalidity so far as the election is concerned, except the mistake of the returning officer, and the object of this second clause is to remedy that mistake, and to validate the election, and I think that there is no harm being done by this Bill.


Wilfrid Laurier: No harm done, but this is confirming previous harm that has been done.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I am not going to .argue that point.


Jacques Bureau: There is a doubt, and there is the difficulty. There has been a mistake or there has not been a mistake. And it is not a mistake of this House or of this Parliament, but a mistake of those who have charge of carrying out the provisions of this War-time Elections Act. What I wanted is to have the blame placed where it belongs, whether it be with the returning officer or with anybody else. The returning officer is the officer of somebody, he was not appointed by the House.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I am very glad indeed that anything should be done to validate this election, because it certainly was not the fault of the member that there was any irregularity. Yet I cannot help thinking that when the nomination was fixed for a certain day, and the polling day was fixed illegally for another day, the whole thing is void, and even an acclamation would not be good. There must be jurisdiction for fixing the day of election as well as for fixing the day of nomination, and if the whole thing is wrong the mere fact that there is acclamation does not validate what was all wrong.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Does not my hon. friend consider that when the naming of the day of nomination was all right and valid, and where it turned out that there was acclamation, is there anything else necessary further than the fixing of the day of nomination?


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: The hon. minister does not quite catch my point; I am sure I am right. The whole thing is the bringing about of an election, that is what we started out to do, so that you must do the whole

of it right. It is not admissible that a part of it may be right and a part of it wrong. The officer must have jurisdiction to name two days, a nomination day and an election day, and if he is wrong in the day that he names for the election, the whole thing is wrong, and requires ratification by this Bill,-and I am quite willing that it shall be done. I want to bring out the point that if this election is partly wrong it is all wrong.
There is another thing I want to call attention to, and that is that the old Act was repealed when we established .the Wartime Elections Act.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Yes, and must there not be something to bring the old law into force again?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Subsection g of section 2 of the War-time Elections Act amended section 131 of the election law, which reads as follows :
Except as hereinafter provided the day for holding the polls shall be the seventh day next after the expiration of the day fixed for the nomination of candidates.
This Bill simply proposes to amend it by saying that the amendment as provided by the War-time Elections' Act shall only apply to a general election, the result being that when it comes to a by-election, the original section 131 stands, and that that will be the case in future in by-elections.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Yes, but you have
repealed the section, and put "twenty-eight" in place of "seven" days, and the seven days will not automatically come . into force again without legislation!.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: This is the legislation.


Ernest Lapointe: I want to record my objection to the principle of retroactivity. I am not sorry to see the hon. member for Lanark sitting in this House, but this is a question of principle. It is confirming the new principle that was created a few days ago by the several votes which took place in this House in the Yukon election case. In that case we passed a resolution which was creating virtually a change in the law and giving it a retroactive effect. In this Bill, not only do we declare that paragraph (g) of section 2 of chapter 39 shall apply only to a general election-to that I have no objection, but it makes it applicable to an election which has already taken place, and to that I do object. I do not care for this particular instance, but" it is a dangerous precedent to create; it was a dan-

gerous precedent to create in the Yukon case, and that dangerous precedent is now being confirmed by another Bill. Of course, we have a Union Government, and I hope that people in Canada will in future remember that Government as having created a dangerous precedent in this country.


Jacques Bureau: Why not come out boldly and say: This Act is to confirm the election of Mr. Stewart as member for Lanark? There is no question as to the purpose of the Bill, we all know it; it has been said openly in the House. I move in amendment that subsection 2 of clause 1 shall read :
This Act shall he deemed to he passed to confirm and validate the election of Mr. Stewart, held on the 18th of March, 1918.
Amendment negatived.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I am very serious in my representation to the hon. the minister that this clause does not restore the seven days at all. Every lawyer in this House knows that once an Act is repealed, if the repealing Act is taken away, that does not restore the old law unless it is specifically restored. The result is that if this section passes there is no time at all fixed for holding the elections.


Wilfrid Laurier: I think it would be well to assure ourselves upon the point made by my hon. friend (Mr. McKenzie) that the Act of 1917 would be repealed, and that by the section as it now stands the former Act would not be restored.
At one o'clock the committee took recess.
The committee resumed at three o'clock, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.


The CHAIRMAN:: When the committee
rose we were considering Bill No. 73, to amend Chapter 39 of the Statutes of 197. Section 1 had been read and is being discussed. Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the clause?


Ernest Lapointe: Has the Minister
of Public Workis given any consideration to the objection raised by the member for North Cape Breton (Mr. McKenzie)?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I will give my view of the matter. I must confess I have not had much time to study it, because I have been very busy since the House rose at one o'clock. But I would like my hon. friend to go back to. the War-time Elections Act, section 2, which I will read to my hon. friend. [DOT]

M.r. BUREAU: Amending -section 131?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Not even that. That is not in the pamphlet at all. Section 2 of the War-time Elections Act reads:
During the present war and until demobilization after the conclusion of peace, Part III of the Dominion Elections Act shall operate and apply as if amended, and shall be deemed to he amended in the following respects:
That is the theory of the War-time Elections Act, that the operation of certain portions of the Dominion Elections Act was suspended. First, 'I think, Part I was suspended entirely during the period of the war and demobilization. Then Part II was suspended in part. Part III was suspended in part. And by paragraph (g) of section 2 of the Act, section 131 was amended by striking out of the second line of section 131 the word "seventh" and inserting instead the word "twenty-eighth." Now, the original idea was that the operation of section 131 would be suspended during the pendency of this Act.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: That is specifically
amended.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: "Amended, and shall be deemed to be amended."


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: It is amended.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It is amended, not repealed-that is the point exactly. It "shall be deemed to be amended." It is not actually repealed; it is not actually amended, but during a specific time it shall be considered as if it were amended. When that time arrives, it goes back to normal conditions just as though this Bill had never been passed. Then the present proposal says that " Paragraph (g) of section two of the War-time Elections Act.... shall only apply to a general election," that is, the suspension is removed so far as by-elections are concerned. I put that forward to my bon. friends; and my sole object-I will tell him frankly-that as I view this thing I think this section is properly drafted. I admit it is somewhat involved; I admit that you have to go back to the whole theory of the operation of Part III of the Dominion Elections Act under the War-time Elections Act. But if my hon. friend would prefer it, I am prepared to propose an amendment.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I think it would be
better to use such language as would restore " seventh " for " twenty-eighth." I have no purpose in the matter except to be as scientific as we can.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: But there is the other side to it. I have had some discussion in
the last two hours with the gentleman who prepared this Act. I will give his views. His idea is, and I think there is a great deal in it, that the War-time Elections Act wras a lot of changes that were deemed to exist for a given time, and that if the war ceased and the time of demobilization arrived, then the War-time Elections Act would cease to exist and the Dominion Elections Act would stand out exactly as it was without an amendment to it. Now, if we amend section 131, we are making a positive amendment, and when the time comes to change over then you would have a positive amendment or positive enactment, that would necessitate special legislation to Tepeal. I do not know that it makes very much difference, because I imagine that before another general election -takes place this whole election law must be redrafted and codified. Surely we can all hope that the war will be over with before there is another general election. When the w-ar is over, -certainly the Dominion Elections Act must come back into force. But in view of the fact that there is a change in the franchise, and -that female voters will have the right to vote, at least in all the provinces except two-and I think we can pretty safely say that in all the provinces except one-a change will be required in the Dominion Elections Act. And so I do not think the theory I am now putting forward amounts to very much in practice, because, before there can be another general election, new legislation will probably be required in order to modify the Dominion Elections Act as may be found necessary.


Jacques Bureau: Will the minister read the amendment he has prepared to show which of the two would be preferable?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The amendment suggested is:
Notwithstanding anything contained in Chapter 39 of the Statutes of 1917, Section 131 of the Dominion Elections Act, Chapter 6 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1906, shall be deemed to be amended only in the case of a general election and shall apply without amendment to any other election of a member of the House of Commons.


Jacques Bureau: That covers it. If 1 remember rightly, by the War-time Elections Act, in section 131, the words "seven" is struck out and the word " twenty-eight " substituted. Why not add at the end of the section: " This shall only apply to a general election." It is the same thing.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It is so involved that I would want to consider -that amendment.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: You cannot have the word " seven " in and out at the same time. '
Mr. 'CARVELL : This amendment states the proposal in positive language.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I think it is all right.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: And it has also the advantage that it does not interfere with what is supposed to be the general scheme.
'Mr. McKENZIE: The minister understands what I mean? It is a principle that a certain section repeals another; the repealing one may repeal itself.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I quite agree.


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Amendment agreed to, and section as amended agreed to.
Bill reported and read the third time and passed.

[Stage Direction]
On motion of Hon. A. K. Maclean (Acting Minister of Finance) Bill No. 109, to provide for the payment of bounties on zinc produced from zinc ores mined in Canada, was read the second time and the House went into committee thereon, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
On section 2-Bounty on zinc produced in Canada when price is less than £41, 8s 6d.
Alexander Kenneth Maclean: 
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Amendment agreed to.
Mr. TURRIFF:: When this bounty was
granted two years ago it w'as pointed out to the Government of the day that these producers would soon be back for increased bounties or for renewals. We renewed tbe bounty on lead-


Mr.  A. K. IMACLEAN@: No.


John Gillanders Turriff: I know that the price
of lead has doubled since the bounty was given tiwo years ago. While I am not as well posted on the price of zinc, I have no doubt that it has increased very materially since the bounty was granted. I am aware that the cost of refining zinc is very much greater than it was, hut the circumstances show that the moment you grant increased protection or give (bounties on these products you start to feed these babies and they come back to the Government from time to time. A great many interests throughout the country are trying to make the war an excuse for seeking consideration to which they are not entitled and which they would not otherwise be given. It is well to point out to these industries that while we in the West are satisfied not to bother about the reduction of duties until after the war, if they try, because of the war, to obtain consideration to which they are not entitled, they may look for trouble in the near future.


Mr. GREEN:: There appears to be some misconception in the mind of the hon. gentleman as to what is intended to be accomplished by the placing of this bounty upon zinc produced in Canada.

I hold no brief for the smelter company which, so far as I know, is the only one producing refined zinc in Canada and which is located at Trail, BjC., but I hold a brief for the operators and owners of the mines that are producing the ore from which the zinc is manufactured. Until the time of the war no zinc was smelted or refined in Canada. The industry was built up practically at the request of the Munitions Board which found it very difficult to secure a sufficient quantity of zinc for the purpose of making munitions. They, therefore, entered into an arrangement with this particular concern to build, equip and operate an electrolytic zinc plant. At the time that this plant came into operation the Munitions Board were paying, the Acting Minister of Finance informs me, forty cents a pound for zinc. But at that particular time, the Munitions Board, having .made this particular arrangement with the smelter to go into the zinc producing business, also made a contract that what zinc they bought from the smelter they would receive at the price of fifteen cents per pound. That means that while the markets of the world were offering forty cents per pound for this particular kind of zinc, this emelter, under its contract, supplied to the Munitions Board all that it produced at fifteen cents per pound. The ordinary zinc of commerce, or prime spelter, is produced not electrolytically but by what is known as the Belgian or distillation process. That is a very much more economical and cheaper process. At the same time it is a process that takes- very much more time for the metal to pass through the various stages before it gets into the finished state. If we in Canada are going to produce from our natural resources the finished product, then we must keep alive this electrolytic process in Canada until one of two conditions is attained, either that the smelter is able to produce zinc electrolytically as cheaply as it is now produced by the Belgian method or that we supersede this method with the Belgian method. We have in Canada vast quantities of zinc ore. We require the zinc in the finished state. In the past any zinc ore that we had in Canada was shipped to the United States and smelted there. This particular industry has been built up, not by the bounty, because as yet it has received no bounty, but by the fact that this company was able to enter into this contract with the Munitions Board.
I wish to say a word or two in connection with the smelting from the point of
view of the operator in my part of the country. The operator there has been demanding, and in my opinion rightly so, that a duty be placed upon raw ores coming into Canada, because this company has within the last two years imported something in the neighborhood of twenty thousand tons of ores from the American side. The company gives as its reason that those particular ores were wanted for fluxing purposes, and I am not going to say that their statement is not right, but as we have those ores in Canada, our people should be protected sufficiently to compete with those ores which are imported from the other side of the line. There is amongst the operators a strong feeling that, in the past, they have not received fair treatment from the smelter; that the smelting rates have been too high; that the smelter has not taken the ore from them when they had it to sell; that the smelter in the main favours its own mines as against those of the country generally. I do not know how much of this is true, but I have, in season and out of season, pressed upon the Government my view that they should hold an investigation under a commission so that this matter may be thoroughly gone into, and if the smelter, which is in a sense a public utility, is not treating the public rightly. If tms is so, then some -action should be taken to make it do so. On the other hand, the managers of the smelter say to-day that if they do not get the protection afforded them by [DOT] this bounty, they will have to close down their emelter.


John Gillanders Turriff: If the smelter company, which is a very wealthy concern, owned chiefly by the Canadian Pacific, could sell its product at forty cents a pound and it is getting a bounty of only two cents and is selling its zinc -at fifteen cents per pound, why should it close down its smelter!1


Robert Francis Green: To-day there is absolutely no market in Canada for electrolytic zinc, unless the smelter can produce electrolytic zinc below seven cents per pound, because the price of prime spelter is seven cents per pound to-day, and prime spelter is the particular grade of zinc that is being used commercially, not only in Canada, but in other places. The Munitions Board have absolutely refused to buy any more zinc from this smelter, giving a-s their reason that large -quantities of this particular grade of zinc were purchased for the Russian Government and paid for by the British Government. This particular zinc was not de-

livered to the Russian Government and is, therefore, on the hand-s of the British authorities and is being used by them, and they are not in the market for any Canadian electrolytic zinc. The -whole proposition is to put this electrolytic zinc on a parity with the prime spelter, so that it can be sold in the same market at the same price.
I was going to say that the Government have agreed to appoint a commission to investigate the whole situation as between the smelter and the producer. That being the case, I think it will be a calamity for the mine owners throughout British Columbia, and possibly in other parts of Canada, if this particular portion of the process that is carried on at Trail should be closed down owing to inability on the part of the smelting company to compete with smelters in other parts of the world.


Mr. CAHILL:: I want to voice my objection to bonuses or bounties or protective tariffs in any shape or form. I am not in favour of, and I do not believe in, taking the people's money for any special interest, and this seems to be the same old protective tariff proposition. My hon. friends are bringing out the poor mine owner, but really the party which gets the benefit in this case is the smelter, the rich corporation. If this is a case for special consideration and is an industry which the War Purchasing Board are anxious should be [DOT]maintained, it seems to me that the smelter [DOT]company could make a contract with that board- for their products and that we could do away with bounty business. It is not right at this time to be loading up the country with additional bounties.


Mr. ELKIN:: I notice the minister proposes to change the point at which the price of the smelter will be considered by adding the words "St. Louis." Since this Act went into effect-and I understand practically no bounty has been paid under this Act-the seven, and one-half per cent war tax has been imposed, which at the present price of prime spelter gives an increase on the bounty of three-quarters of a cent or seven and one-half per cent on practically ten cents. It is. an utter impossibility for this .spelter that is made in British Columbia to compete in a commercial way with the ordinary spelter, ond I think we should have a little more information as to how the Minister of Trade and Commerce, who. will administer this measure, proposes to figure the price at which prime spelter shall be sold in Canada.

If we were to take the prime .spelter at St. Louis and permit the British Columbia smelter to compete with it, that will perhaps be very good business from the manufacturer's standpoint, but this spelter that is made in British Columbia is not a good spelter for ordinary commercial purposes, and it seems to me that before we add three-quarters of a cent to this bounty, making it two and three-quarters cents per pound, we should know how the Minister of Trade and Commerce proposes administering this measure. If he is going to figure the price at St. Louis plus the freight and plus the duty of seven and one-half per cent, figuring the price of prime spelter in Canada at eight or nine cents per pound, that is not a serious matter; but if he is going to figure the price at St. Louis, without adding the war tax of seven and one-half per cent whicl ^ame into effect since this Act was passed, >
shall really be giving these people a bounty of two and three-quarter cents per pound instead of two cents.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: dn this respect the Act is just as it was when it was introduced two years ago. In this Bill, as in the Act now in force, the bounty is payable if the standard price at London or, as in 'the amended Bill, at London or St. Louis, is nine cents per pound, I suppose, of course, the duty .and freight will have to be taken into consideration., but that would not operate in favour of the Canadian producer.


Stanley Edward Elkin: It gives the producer a
further protection of three-quarters of a cent per pound on to-day's prices, and of one cent per pound on the prices of a few months .ago, )In other words you are protecting this industry by way of bounty to the extent of practically three cents per pound. That is going pretty far in the case of a smelter.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: This company
at the instance of the British Government and the Munitions Board of Canada, was induced to enter into the manufacture of electrolytic zinc in order that the British Government might have a supply for the manufacture of munitions here and fn Great Britain, and for some of the Allied countries. The company made an investment of $2,500,000, and it was agreed between the Government and this company, as an inducement to the latter to enter into the manufacture of this high grade zinc, that the company should receive a bounty under certain conditions as to price, of

two -cents' per pound for two years, payable only after the war. When the company commenced to make the investment, it naturally anticipated that, during the war period at least, it would have in the Allied countries a market that would consume its entire production.


Samuel Hughes: Was not the price limited to fifteen cents per pound?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Yes. This company eventually produced a great quantity of zinc which was purchased by Great Britain and Russia. When Russia withdrew from the war, that market was, of course, closed to the Consolidated Mining and Smelting Company which, at the beginning, always anticipated it would have this market. Great Britain was also expected to be a continuing purchaser of the product of this company. For -some reasons, largely financial, Great 'Britain is- obliged to purchase zinc in the United States. Now the smelter company is in the position that it made an investment of $2,500,000 to manufacture this high-grade zinc expecting that it would always have a customer, but now it finds itself without a market and it will have no market unless it can reduce the cost of production of electrolytic zinc to the cost of production of ordinary zinc, that is about seven cents per pound. In 1916, an Act was passed by which it was agreed to pay this company a bounty of two cents per pound whenever the price fell below the standard London price, but 'that bounty wasi not to be paid until after the war. The purport of -this Bill is to [DOT]allow the payment of thiei bounty at once if earned under the conditions stated in the Bill. IThe amount is limited to $400,000. My hon. friend from Victoria (Sir Sam Hughes) was, I think, a member of the original Shell Committee that induced the company to go into the business.


Samuel Hughes: The original Shell Committee had the honour of establishing the zinc industry. At that time the British authorities were paying from forty-two to forty-five cents per pound for zinc in the United States, and under the contract entered into the zinc was to be supplied at fifteen cents per pound. Unless I am misinformed, the price in the United States is not fifteen cents per pound to-day.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: The price in the United States as fixed by the Government is twelve cents per pound, but the Consolidated Mining and Smelting Company cannot sell at twelve cents, they must sell at nine cents to compete with the other
companies producing the lower grade of zinc.


Samuel Hughes: The British authorities were paying forty-two cents per pound at the time we made the arrangement by which the industry of smelting zinc and copper in Canada was established. I did not know that the price of zinc in the United States had fallen to twelve cents. How about the ores imported from the United States? The only objection I have to this measure is that it does not protect our own ore producers sufficiently, but treats the Yankee producers of ore the same as it does the Canadian producer.


Mr. BURRELL:: I do not think there are any zinc ores imported from the United States.


Samuel Hughes: Yes.


Martin Burrell: Lead ores, but not zinc ores.


Samuel Hughes: The lead is in the-zinc.


Martin Burrell: No, in the class of ore they have been importing, the zinc would be an extraneous element, so that they do not want it. They do not import ores that have zinc in them. There is one thing that seems to appeal to one pretty strongly, and the ex-Minister of Militia (Sir Sam Hughes) touched on it. It was the paramount necessity for this zinc for munitions of war that really induced these people to go into the zinc business at all. Certainly, after an expenditure of $2,500,000, they have accomplished wonders, and they would not have required one cent of help if the British Government had been able to live up to their promise that they would take every pound of zinc that could be manufactured, but they have not taken it simply because of the Russian situation, and as they had a credit established in the United States, they took an immense quantity of zinc from there, and consequently had to turn around and say: We cannot take any more.


Samuel Hughes: Is the reason that our zinc is not being taken by the British Government to-day because the Chairman of the Munitions Board did not advance Victory Loan money for it? That money seems to toe for beef and bacon and things of that kind.


Martin Burrell: I have never heard that statement.


Mr. ARGUE:: How long are we to continue paying this bounty?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: It is limited to two years and a total of $400,000. Nothing has yet been paid.


Mr. EULER:: If it is impossible for this company at the present time to produce the zinc so as to be able to sell it at a price which would give them a return, why should they not follow the practice followed by other concerns under similar circumstances and discontinue business? If the British Government are not in the market for their product, why not discontinue the production of this particular commodity until such time as there is a market for it the same as others have to do?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: There will never be a market for it unless they can reduce their production-cost down to the cost of producing ordinary zinc. They embarked in the enterprise practically >at the request of the British Government and the 'Canadian Government, in order that the allied countries might have a supply of zinc. Circumstances have so developed that these countries will not buy, and there is no market for the product. They must sell a high-grade article at the price of a lower-grade article.


Samuel Hughes: What information has the minister as to the reason why the British Government will not 'buy this zinc? I never heard of it before. I know that they were paying 42 cents a pound and that we saved the British Government millions and millions of dollars by producing it at 15 cents a pound. It is very strange that the British Government, which has been paying 42 cents a pound for zinc, will not buy zinc from us unless they get it for 15 cents a pound. There is something about this that requires looking into. I have heard it said that the reason the Imperial Munitions Board will not buy this zinc is very much the same as the reason why the British Government would not buy fish. The fish had to come from Newfoundland, and $7,000,000 or $8,000,000 was lost to Canada while Newfoundland got the sale of the fish. Probably the zinc will go through the hands of some Yankee concern and they will get the profit. We might as well look into these things.
On section 5-regulations:


Mr. JOSEPH READ:: It is apparent to all that when the Government gave notice of this Bill they also gave notice of a Bill to authorize the payment of a bounty on lead. I noticed that in the original lead bounty Bill, clause 5 read in this way:

The Governor in Council may make such rules and regulations, including regulations as to rates and charges for refining, as are deemed expedient in the public interest for carrying out the purpose of this Act and all payments of bounty shall be subject to the due observance of such rules and regulations.
It looks to me as if they had switched from the lead to the zinc in order to avoid that clause. I made a reference to this subject in the Budget debate, and toy leave of the House I will recall the fact that on that occasion I read a letter which had been written by a resident of British Columbia. When I read that letter one hon. gentleman said that the man who wrote it was a miner. He is not a miner; he is a medical doctor, and he has taken care of the families of soldiers free of charge ever since the war broke out. He is an altruist and not an egoist. He says-


Georges Henri Boivin: Order. I cannot allow the hon. gentleman to read from, a previous debate on another subject in the same session.


Joseph Read: It is not on another subject.


Georges Henri Boivin: It is absolutely against the Tules of the House.


Joseph Read: It is the same subject exactly.


Georges Henri Boivin: But it is an altogether different debate.


Joseph Read: It is a letter that I read on a previous occasion, tout on the same subject.


An hon. MEMBER:: It is on Hansard; it is all right.


Joseph Read: 
Some hon. MEMBERS:: Carried.


Joseph Read: You are very anxious to create a monopoly, are you not? If what the minister has just said was correct, or if he had not been deceived, I would not say anything about this. But he has evidently been deceived, if he has been told that the miners' association has appointed that committee.
As a matter of fact, the Miners' Association sent down a gentleman named Mr. Caldwell, and he made the statement that
they did not want this committee-that the committee was simply a farce and was coing to put it over on the miners. They want a royal commission, that will deal fairly and justly as between the Smelting Company and the people of British Columbia. You already "have an appropriation in the Estimates and for that sum, or perhaps a little more, provision can be made for an inquiry by a royal commission. The Smelter Company -and the Consolidated Company are one and the same thing. That is the worst feature of the matter. And these people have already formed a great monopoly in the province of British Columbia by reason of having this- smelter, which is going to be supported by the Government. They aTe already producing, in fact, the returns for the past year show that the output of the Consolidated Mining Company of British Columbia, which is really the same as the smelter, is 30,659 tons of ore, whereas the production of the rest of the mines of East Kootenay would not total one-sixth oi that amount. In other words, the Consolidated Mining Company have put all the small miners out of business, and are now in possession, practically speaking, of the whole mining system of the Kootenay district. If hon. gentlemen are very anxious to perpetuate that sort of thing, I, for one, certainly am not. I put myself on record against such a giant monopoly as that is. I am only asking the Government to protect the ordinary mine owners of the Kootenay district by giving them a royal commission to discover whether the allegations they are making are correct, and to fix the smelting charges so that they shall be on a reasonable basis.


Martin Burrell: This matter is o.ie oi very great importance to the whole ot the district referred to. There may he something in my hon. friend's contention that there is a difference of opinion between certain mine owners and the mine owners as a whole, and that the committee which is suggested would not have powers wide enough to investigate the charges which the smelter is making. A convention of the Associated Boards of the Kootenay district was held on February 26th at Kootenay, at which this whole thing was threshed out. It is possible, as my hon. friend intimates, that the mine owners were not thoroughly represented there. At all events, all interests were represented to some extent, and as a result of that convention they asked for a commission to investigate whether charges
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made by the smelter were fair, because they thought the existence of the whole industry was imperilled. Two gentlemen were sent from that convention to Ottawa who placed the whole matter before me, 4 p.m. when we had a two hours' talk and discussed the subject thoroughly. Subsequently I had a discussion with the Prime Minister on the subject. The smelter had raised no objections whatever to an investigation, in fact they were prepared to throw open their books, accounts, and processes to inspection, because they believed that their charges were fair and they were willing to meet the contention of the mine owners in a fair spirit. As a result of that discussion we concluded that, as there was some objection to the perpetual appointing of royal commissions -because there is undoubtedly a good deal of restlessness in the country in regard to the multiplicity of commissions,-the purpose in view might be achieved by a friendly investigation carried on by the committee suggested, in which we would assist them financially. An Order in Council was thereupon drawn up setting forth all the facts, and the sum of $3,000 was placed in the Estimates for the purpose of meeting the expenses and giving power to enlist the services of a metallurgical expert and accountant in connection with the conduct of an investigation. Since that time, it is true, representations have been made to the Government-and there have been very strong representations in a telegram received as late as this morning-to the effect that the powers that were given to the committee in question are not sufficient, that the committee is not sufficiently in the nature of a royal commission. It is asked that the powers granted should be enlarged, and permission given to take the 3worn testimony of witnesses, and so on, and thus get what the complainants believe to be the essential facts of the case. I have not had much opportunity to discuss this matter with the other members of the Government, but I think I might go so far as to say that consideration will be given to the representations made, and I believe I can fairly say that we will try and meet those requests as far as possible by enlarging the powers that have been given. We do not necessarily pledge ourselves, even if we go that far, to appoint the same committee, but we will take up the question of giving further powers, if such powers are necessary, and of perhaps granting a little more financial assistance, and put the matter in such shape 
that these disputed questions can be adjusted to the satisfaction of both the mine owners and the smel'ter. The main thing to be achieved is to stimulate production from all these mines of the Kootenay district which are so immensely important, not only to that district but to the whole of Canada. Under those circumstances, I would ask my hon. friend not to press his amendment.


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Section agreed to.
. Bill reported, and read the third time and passed.

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. Hon. HUGH GUTHRIE (Solicitor General) moved the second reading of Bill No. 112, respecting the election held in the electoral district of Yukon.
Jacques Bureau: Before the Bill is read a second time I wish to again protest against the principle contained in it. In doing so I need not go into a recital of what has transpired at each successive stage of this Bill's progress. As I have stated before, the question of the qualification of the member, or of the candidate, for this electoral district, is not at stake. We on this side deem the question involved to be one of law, and iwe consider that a grave injustice has been done to the candidates in this election by the passage of the Order in Council concerning it, which we believe to be ultra vires and illegal inasmuch as it deprives one, or both, of the candidates of the rights granted by the Dominion Elections Act to appeal to the courts to correct any error which has been committed in connection with the election, or to decide the case itself definitely upon its merits. The present Bill is simply a camouflage which has been introduced toy my hon. friend the Solicitor General (Mr. Guthrie). He and his friends say to the candidates in this election, " We have illegally deprived you of your rights, as a result of which you could not go before the courts. Now we are going to restore those rights, but we will do so on one condition," and that is that any rights which you may have shall be annulled, any means of submitting to the court the grievances or wrongs of which you complain shall be taken away." This is another case, Mr. Chairman, where the Government have decided that they should have their man in the House, and they have now got him. It is another case where the House has ratified the substitution of the Governor in Council

for the legislation of Parliament and the will of the people. We have protested. I do not want to weary the House With the arguments which we have brought forward -and which have not been answered, may I be allowed to say, by the Government-as to the legality of the steps taken by them or of the Order in Council suspending the statute without any authority or justification whatever. The only thing that we on this side of the House cam do this year is to protest, because we know if we go any further and move an amendment the Prime Minister cracks the Whip and everybody on that side votes as he is told to vote. I won't give him the trouble of doing that, or put his followers to that humiliation. But I register my protest as an independent member of this House.


Mr. GUTHRIE:: I do not think the protest as it stands should go unanswered. The Bill is only brought before the House on account of the objection made by Mr. Gong-don at the last sitting of the Committee on Privileges and Elections. During the discussion he urged, and I took his words down: " The Order in Council," he said, " prevents me from going to the courts under the Controverted Elections Act, upon questions of bribery and corruption, and I claim that right." It is on account of that objection that the Bill has been introduced at all. The Committee on Privileges and Elections itself dealt with the question of the soldiers' vote. I assume their finding on that was conclusive, and it has been concurred in by this House.
Now, in order to meet Mr. Congdon's objection, and for no other purpose-because he is the only man in Canada who can take advantage of this. Bill-this Bill is introduced to give him a chance of invalidating the election through election irregularities, If he has the evidence necessary. If my hon. friend who has just spoken speaks on Mr. Congdon's behalf, and desires the Bill withdrawn-


Jacques Bureau: On my own behalf; I speak for nobody else.


Hugh Guthrie: -I do not know that the Government has anything to gain by passing the Act.


Mr. VIEN:: 1 think that the remarks of the Solicitor General aTe not an answer to the' point at issue. It is not the fact that we speak on 'behalf of Mr. Congdon that is at stake, but that the Bill is now introduced to remedy something which cannot
be remedied. I think that the country at large should know that the Bill introduced at this stage provides a remedy ,to a certain extent, but it does not give the full remedy to which Mr. Congdon is entitled. I think the private members of this House are justified in recording their protest on the ground that a full remedy is not granted.


Joseph Read: I desire to protest also. I am absolutely surprised at the Solicitor General saying that this Bill gives back the rights' of Mr. Congdon, when, as a matter of fact, it only gives back part of his rights. And then he makes the proposition that if we do not like it they will withdraw the Bill. Half a loaf is better than no bread. I would not favour withdrawing the Bill, because I assume the possibility-I do not know anything about it-of Mr. Congdon establishing his right to sit, or, at any rate, unseating his opponent, with the Bill as it is. But I do know this, that the Bill has omitted that which should not have been omitted, that is that part referring to the soldiers' vote. That is the part of the Bill, as is quite apparent f,o every man in this House, including* the Minister of Justice (Mr. Doherty), on which, if it went before the court, there could be only one decision, and that decision would be in favour of Mr. Congdon. I am not speaking in behalf of Mr. Congdon; I am speaking in behalf of fair play. There is no question in my mind or in the 'mind of any unprejudiced member on either side of the House, that if the two candidates had been nominated before the election the result of the overseas vote would have been different. That is very plain, and it is a question of law whether it is or not. There has never been such a thing known in the history of parliamentary government where 'a man was .elected before he was nominated.
Motion agreed to and Bill read the second time, and the House went into commit* tee thereon, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
On section 1-Extension of date for filing an election petition.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: There is some ambiguity there, at least there is the possibility of ambiguity. There were two returns made, one to the House of Commons, undone returning the member. I think it would be better to specify the date of the return in the Bill, so that there will be no doubt about which is meant.


Hugh Guthrie: The one meant, of course, is the one made within a day or two, electing the member.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: No doubt the one intended is the one electing the member.


Hugh Guthrie: We might add to the section the words "on the twenty-second day of May, 1918."


Jacques Bureau: Why not say "by the return of the returning officer proclaiming the election?"


Hugh Guthrie: I will move that the words "on the twenty-second day of May, 1918" be added to section 1.


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Amendment agreed to, and section as amended agreed to.
On section 2-Votes of military electors, how to be counted.
Georges Henri Boivin: Shall clause 2 carry?


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Lost.


Georges Henri Boivin: Carried on division.


Ernest Lapointe: I understand that this clause is only for the purpose of providing that the votes shall be counted "notwithstanding the date or dates upon which the said votes were polled." But I think it is not very clear that it will only be for that purpose. As the clause now reads, the votes will be deemed to be legal, however objectionable they might be for other reasons,. within the date or dates upon which they were polled. I would Bherefore move that the following words be added to section 2:
Provided said votes were polled according to and in conformity with all the other provisions of the said Acts.


Hugh Guthrie: I think that is a little too general. This Bill seeks merely to ratify any votes cast between November 19 and December 17, both dates inclusive.


Ernest Lapointe: Why not make it clear that that is the only purpose of the Bill?


Hugh Guthrie: The) section is .quite
clear. It says:
Notwithstanding anything contained in the Dominion Elections Act . . . the provisions of the said Act in respect to fixing the time for polling the votes of military electors shall apply and extend to the electoral district of Yukon .... notwithstanding the date or dates upon which the said votes were polled.


Jacques Bureau: But it says that the votes shall be counted.


Hugh Guthrie: The committee has found that they shall be counted for the parties for whom they were marked.


Ernest Lapointe: What is the objection 'to the amendment which I propose?


Hugh Guthrie: There may be something else in the Act which is not before my mind , at present. This section was carefully drawn by the parliamentary counsel to cover only the point respecting the time at which the votes were cast, and leaving everything else open to Mr. Congdon. I should not like to interfere with the language of the section on that point.


Jacques Bureau: The Solicitor General might give ns an idea of what the intent of the section is. If it is to make valid the votes cast between November 19 and December 17, as if the Yukon election had taken place concurrently with the election in the rest of Canada, is it understood that that will not prevent Mr. Congdon or anybody else from protesting the election, from going into the legality of these votes, the manner in which they were polled, and all other errors or irregularities which may have been committed at the time of polling?


Hugh Guthrie: That is the understanding. The provisions of the Act are made to apply in respect of the fixing of the time for polling the votes; that is all. My hon. friend's amendment is also in contravention of the Military Voters' Act, section 18 of which provides that the validity of an election shall not be questioned on the ground of irregularity which has not affected the result. I do not want to override that section.


Jacques Bureau: The wider the provision against irregularities affecting the result, the less you have to fear from the amendment.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not take that view.


Mr. PEDLOW:: Would the insertion of the word "valid" in the eighteenth line, before the word " votes," not cover the point?


Hugh Guthrie: I think the section reads properly now. It says:
And the votes of the military electors polled at the last general election .... shall be counted and applied.


Mr. SINCLAIR:: The provision says: "shall be duly counted and applied." The fact is that the votes have already been counted and applied, and one of the candidates declared duly elected.


Hugh Guthrie: That was all considered when the clause was drafted.
Amendment negatived, and section agreed to.

Bill reported, read the third time ancj passed.



SUPPLY.

[Stage Direction]
On the Order for Committee of Supply:
["Has my hon. friend\ncalculated whether the revenue of these semi-staff offices will make up for the amount voted?\n'Mr. DOHERTY: I am assured that they do. They necessarily must because the salaries paid in the past are not being increased, and those salaries were paid out of the revenue.\nProgress reported."]
Rodolphe Lemieux: I had made arrangements with the Prime Minister to bring up a matter on going into Supply.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: I had no knowledge of such an arrangement. According to the rules, I must leave the Chair on Thursday without question being put.


George Green Foster: Bring it up when we are in committee.
The House in Committee of Supply, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
Administration of Justice-salaries, including H. Demarais at $1,0'00,	$166,387.50; contingencies, $21,000'.


William Cameron Edwards: Is there any truth in the rumour that the Chief Justice has paid or will pay back the $5,000 to which illusion was made early in the session?


Sir GEORGE  POSTER@: The answer will be given later in the evening.


Rodolphe Lemieux: During the Budget debate I called the attention of the Acting Minister of Finance to ia very serious incident which took place before the Supreme Court a few days ago, and which I think might well occupy the attention of the House for a few moments. As we are all aware, the Government some years ago decided to construct certain works at the estuary of the river St. Charles in the province of Quebec. The other evening when his Estimates were before the House; the Minister of Public Works (Mr. iCarvell) stated he would not continue the construction of these works. When speaking on the Budget, I drew attention to the enormous and indeed shameful waste of money that had been perpetrated in expropriating land on the shores of the river St. Charles, at or near the point where the works contracted for are being erected by the Public Works Department. As a result of the determination of the Government to dam the river St. Charles, expropriations became necessary and the property of one of the riparian owners by the name of Belanger was expropriated. The Crown' initiated proceedings, and one of the judges of the Exchequer Court was dispatched to Quebec in order to hear the evidence and arrive at a proper valuation of the land to be expropriated. At the expropriation proceedings
the Crown was represented by Mr. Bernier,
K.C., of Levis, and Mr. Belanger was represented by his counsel. Many witnesses, so-called experts, were heard and the record of the proceedings, which I have here, . is more voluminous than the Hansard of this session. Mr. Belanger filed before the Exchequer Court his petition, in which he claimed the land to be expropriated was worth the sum of $800,000. Several claimants nearby have had their lands expropriated at fantastic prices, but as these cases were settled out of court the public does not know what the awards were. But the case of Belanger, fortunately for the public and for the taxpayers of Canada, has gained some noteriety by reason of the fact that an appeal has been lodged in the *Supreme 'Court of Canada. After a number of expert witnesses had been heard. Mr. Justice Audette gave the reasons for his judgment, in which he says:
The lands in question were acquired by the suppliant for the sum of $18,165.32, and were practically yielding no revenue, save the renting of one house on lot 513, and pasture on lot 560. These lots lie In the estuary of the River St. Charles, and are nothing but a stretch of muddy soil upon which in the case of lot 560 some marine grass grows, upon which cattle may feed; but the land' is entirely covered by water at high tide, and the lot has been practically idle and no use has been made of it for years and years. Wharves may be built upon the same, as wharves may be built in fields, tout it has no access to deep water, except to the height of the water brought in toy the tide. Lot No. 513 is impracticable for building purposes. It is a beach lot. Retaining walls and fillings would have to be resorted to. Some of the witnesses contend that lot 56'0 might be used for a railway yard. Is it, indeed, conceivable that a railway could afford to spend1 thousands and thousands of dollars in building wharves for a railway yard, when other property is available inland? Some of the witnesses were candid enough to say they thought the property had very little value, but it might have value for public purposes and assessed it on that basis. In other words, that the property was of very little value to the owner, but might toe! of some good value to a party expropriating for public purposes or for a scheme like the .present works. However, it is now settled law that in assessing compensation for property taken under compulsory powers, it is not proper to consider as part of the market value to the -owner, such value as the land taken may have to the party expropriating when viewed as an integral part of the proposed work or undertaking. But the proper basis for compensation is the amount for which such land could have been sold, had the present scheme carried on by the Crown not been in evidence, tout with the possibility that the 'Crown or some company or person might obtain those powers and carry on their scheme. And, in the present Instance, who, outside of the Crown, should undertake such colossal works?


Rodolphe Lemieux: I will come to that in a moment. Mr. Justice Audette concludes:
To this sum of $215,925.19 will be added the usual 10 per cent for compulsory taking, the land having obviously been taken against the Will of the owner, making in all the sum of $287,517.61.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I wonder if it was really taken against the will of the owner.


Rodolphe Lemieux: It is clear from the reasons for the judgment that the whole of the evidence to protect the Crown was not adduced in this case, and I should like to have from the Minister of Justice (Mr. Doherty) some information as to the instructions given for the conduct of this

case. I am informed that this property was acquired some years ago toy Mr. 'Belanger and another gentleman by the name of Delisle. Delisle was diving with his wife under t'he regime of communaute de hiens, and on her death had to file at the registry office in Quebec in connection witn the payment of taxes on the estate of his wife the valuation, he placed on his own property, and I am informed that the Crown could have secured that very important and very valuable document when the case was heard before Mr. Justice Audette, hut this document was not filed. It would then have been proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that the owners themselves placed a very, very low value on the property. At all events, Mr. Justice Audette, with much reluctance, to use his own words, awarded the sum of $215,000, in round figures, and added to that 10 per cent for compulsory expropriation, which made the total $237,517.61. The 'Crown appealed from that judgment. The Crown was represented there again by Mr. Bernier, K.C. Much to the surprise and astonishment of the Bench, when Mr. Bernier appeared before the Supreme Court a few weeks ago, he accepted on behalf of the Crown the award of $215,925.10, and only contested the remaining ten per cent for compulsory expropriation.
IMr. CARVELL: According to the factum, did the Crown protest against the award or only against the ten per cent?


Rodolphe Lemieux: Only against the ten per cent.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is what counsel did. But what was in the factum?


Rodolphe Lemieux: I have the factum. filed by the Crown, andi here are the conclusions :
We therefore pray that the said sum of $21,592.51, representing ten per cent on the amount of $215,925.10 fixed as the value of the lands expropriated, be struck out from the sum of $237,517.61, awarded by the Exchequer Court.
So the Crown only contested the ten per cent. Otherwise it accepted the judgment.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: As this has something to do with the department over which I preside, I am naturally interested in getting the facts. My hon. friend has produced the factum filed by counsel representing the Crown. I have some knowledge of the procedure in these cases, and I know there would be a notice of appeal given by the Crown preceding the factum.

Is there any protest in that by the Crown against the award of $215,000?
(Mr. LEMIEUX: I have here the statement of the Crown through the attorneys, Bernier, Bernier & deBilly, and I have just read the conclusion of their petition. My hon. friend knows from his long practice at the Bar that a factum is filed weeks and months before the hearing of a case. The judges of the Supreme Court read this factum, and the factum of the respondent, and when Mr. Bernier appeared before the court and stated that his only appeal was against the ten per cent for compulsory expropriation, the judges expressed their surprise because they had read very closely the reasons for judgment of Mr. Justice Audette, and the proceedings were stopped by the court, and if my information is correct-the Minister of Justice is better informed on this point than I am-the Supreme Court sought new instructions from the Department of Justice.
This is clearly a case where the Government should investigate and where the Department of Justice should he exceedingly careful. There seems to have been gross neglect in connection with this important litigation. A sum of $237,000 deserves some attention and consideration in view of the reasons for the judgment given by the Exchequer Court. What has taken place 1 do not know, but it seems to me that the Department of Justice should, in view of the incident of the Supreme Court, and in view of the reasons for judgment given by Mr. Justice Audette, revise these proceedings and give new instructions in order to prevent a scandalous claim from being paid. Here, you have the whole case in a nutshell. These beach lots cost the owner $18,000. They did not yield enough to pay the tax bills, the claim made was for $800,000 and because of the laches of the Crown, because of the absence of witnesses and experts on behalf of the Crown, the judge was compelled to award with reluctance, as he says in his judgment, a sum of $215,000 plus 10 per cent. The Crown, represented by its agent before the courts, and knowing more than anybody else the reasons given by the judge, yet accepts the judgment as to the amount of $215,000 and only contests for the smaller bit, a sum of $15,000. There is something strange, something mysterious, and I hope the minister will explain to the satisfaction of the House what happened in this case and what action he has taken since to prevent that scandalous amount from being taken away from the exchequer of the Dominion at the present time.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Would the hon. gentleman tell me whether or not either or both of these lots, or any portion of them, is now occupied by works constructed by the Department of Public Works on the St. Charles river?


Rodolphe Lemieux: I am informed that the barrage, the damming, of the river is above those lots. I could quite understand the Crown expropriating lots above the dam but I am informed-and I speak subject to correction-that these lots are below the barrage and are therefore not seriously affected by the proposed works. I say the "proposed" works. My hon. friend the Minister of Public Works (Mr. Carvell) declared the other day that he would stop these works. I do not know what his intentions are but this is an exorbitant amount that is being claimed under the present circumstances.


Mr. DOHERTY (Minister of Justice):: The hon. member (Mr. Lemieux) in his statement of the case, seems to have attached particular importance to empnasiz-ing the part which the Crown took in the matter. There is not any doubt that the Crown was represented by counsel. The facts in regard to the direct action of the Crown are that the instructions were of the clearest possible kind that an appeal should be made from the entire award, and the appeal which was lodged under the immediate direction of the Deputy Minister of Justice, as the departmental records will certainly show, was an appeal from the entire award. But the hon. gentleman says that it was greatly to the surprise of the court when counsel charged with the case made the declaration. I may say it was as great a surprise to the Department of Justice, as great a surprise to the deputy minister who had given the instructions, as it seems to have been to the court. These instructions, I am informed by the deputy minister, were clear and distinct that the entire award was to be appealed from. What misapprehension the counsel seems to have laboured under it is quite impossible for me to explain. Certainly his action as .1 have said, was not in accordance with the instructions that he had received. The gentleman who 'had been retained and who was representing the Crown is, I do not think it will be disputed, a gentleman of repute and standing in his profession. I cannot undertake to explain how he came to misapprehend his instructions and to take the line of action that he did. I suppose it is to be assumed that for some reason

lie was of the opinion, differing from the opinion expressed by the hon. member that the evidence for whose production he was responsible supported the judgment. If he entertained that view it was not shared by the department, and his instructions were such as I have stated. When the incident occurred, and when it was brought to the attention of the department, steps were at once taken to see that this erroneous representation was corrected and that the matter was put in such shape as to ensure that the case of the Crown attacking the award itself should be put in the most perfect manner possible before the court. Further, instructions, as I am informed, were given that, if upon a careful examination of the entire evidence, it should be deemed necessary, steps should be taken looking to a reference back to the court if there should be any deficiency in the evidence which it would be possible to supply. While the fact is undoubted that the learned counsel who was retained to carry on the case did take the view which the hon. member has -stated, it is equally true that in taking that view he- was not -acting in -accordance with the instructions winch were given to him, and that tnat view was not shared by the Department of Justice. That the -gentleman in question should have been retained I have not heard suggested as ground for complaint. I understand that Mr. Bernier -has b^en the batonnier of the bar of his district, and enjoys a good reputation as a member of the profession. It is an incident most reg-rettable that he -should have so misunderstood his instructions, -but that is something, I suppose, that might happen with respect to the legal representative of any client. It might happen that the instructions of any client might be misunderstood or not fully grasped, and that is the regrettable thing that appears to have happened to the Government in this particular case. But the hon. gentleman and the House may rest assured that the appeal itself, as I have pointed out-which is a direct action on the part of the Crown taken under the direction of the department itself-was an appeal against the entire award, and, as- I have said before, I am informed by the deputy minister that the instructions were precise that the entire award was to be appealed against. When it was brought to our knowledge that those instructions were not being acted upon, -steps were taken at once such as I have already indicated, steps to see that the contentions of the Crown, as against the [IMr. Doherty.]
amount of the award itself, should be fully put before the court, and looking also- if that were deemed necessary or advantageous-to securing a sending of the reference back to the court below for the purpose of taking further evidence in the event of it being found both desirable and possible.
I do not know that I can add anything further. Those are the facts. Upon that set of facts I do not think that the department or the deputy minister, who is directly responsible insofar as the direction of these cases come -under his hands, can be open to legitimate reproach. The most that can be said-and it is a most regrettable thing to have happened-is that the counsel that the Crown had retained to conduct the case-because it is quite clear it is not possible for the officers of the department to conduct all of the litigation which goes on on behalf of the Crown- apparently misconceived, or misunderstood the directions which he had received, or formed a judgment of the merits of the case, which was not in accord with the appreciation of the -department.


Wilfrid Laurier: There is no
d-ouibt whatever, from the explanation given by the Minister of Justice, that n-o (blame can -attach to the Crown, which was simply unfortunate in its selection of the counsel who conducted the -case. I am glad to hear from my hon. friend that ithe- instructions given to the new counsel are to hav^ the case referred back to the Court of Appeal for the production of other evidence.
iMt. THOMAS VIEN (Lotbiniere): Were any explanations asked for, or received, from the counsel as to his conduct in the case?


Charles Joseph Doherty: I am not in a
position to say. I certainly have not taken the matter up, nor am I in a position to state at the present -moment what communications have passed between the deputy minister and the counsel. There is room in this case- for demanding an explanation, and that explanation- will certainly be asked for.


Thomas Vien: To whom has- the case been entrusted for future action?


Charles Joseph Doherty: I understand that Mr. -Chrysler has been retained, and that the deputy -minister is personally interesting himself in the matter.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: As this matter relates to the Department of Public Works,
I do not think I ought to allow the opportunity to pass without making a statement which possibly may have something to do

with the ultimate settlement of the case. Personally I newer heard of it until last Friday morning, when I met a gentleman who told me what had taken 5 p.m. place at the Supreme Court, substantially as narrated by my hon. friend .this afternoon, I immediately went to the. Justice Department and there I saw the deputy minister, who explained to me the instructions which -had been given to the counsel, just as the Minister of Justice has explained this afternoon, and who also assured me that the department would take immediate steps to apply to the court to have the case re-opened, and: ask not only for a reduction of the award, but a new trial. As to that phase of the case, 1 have nothing further to say, because it does not rest with my department, tout with the Department of Justice. Knowing, however, Mr. Justice Audette as well as I do, and realizing how carefully he weighs the evidence -and I speak now from personal experience and knowledge-I cannot read the judgment which he has .given in this case without coming to the conclusion that he had a very strong opinion that something had been' withheld from the court, and he was awarding more for the land than he was justly entitled to. I purposely asked my hon. friend this afternoon if these lands had been built oveT, or formed any part of the works on the St. Charles river. .He says, in his judgment, he thinks not. From my standpoint, as Minister o'f Public Works, that is a very serious part of the case. I know generally where these works are, although I have never examined them carefully. I expect to go to Quebec within the next three weeks, when .1 shall to some extent .act as my own engineer, and I want to assure this House that if these lands have not been built upon I know enough about the law of Canada to determine how to get round this thing a good deal simpler than going to the Supreme Court-il will simply abandon the whole proceedings. Because if we have not got the lands, from the description I have received of theim I do not think we need them, and I know well enough how to get rid of them.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I do not wish to occupy the time of the House 'any longer than merely to say ta few words further. I am satisfied with the explanation given by the Minister of Justice that he will see to it that decisive and direct instructions shall be given to Mr. Chrysler to look after this case. But in justice to Mr. Berniet, I wish to say, that I have learned
since the incident which took place in the Supreme Court, and new instructions were sought from the Department of Justice, that the Crown Counsel was specifically asked by one of the judges on the bench whether his instructions were as stated in the factum. .Mr. Bernier answered in the affirmative; that his instructions were to accept the award and to contest only over the ten per cent.


Charles Joseph Doherty: Did Mr. Bernier state
from whom these instructions were received?


Rodolphe Lemieux: He could receive those
instructions only from, the Department of Justice for whom he was the agent.


Charles Joseph Doherty: Apparently then, the question is which of these two gentlemen is correct in his statement, because so far as the deputy minister is concerned,^ I have his most direct assurance that the instructions were clear, that the entire award was to be appealed from.


Wilfrid Laurier: That is more probable.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Just one word of personal explanation. It is not, Mr. Chairman, an agreeable task for me to bring such a matter before the House, and some newspapers in my own province are blaming me for preventing the Government from giving this bounty to the city of Quebec.
I have done nothing of the sort. If the works are needed, I have no objection to their being completed. But I do certainly object to bleeding the treasury even though these works should he a benefit to the city of Quebec. There is no reason why people should extort from the public treasury moneys which ,are not due them.
I remember some years ago I lodged a protest against other expropriations on the frontage of the city of Quebec. Of course, the amount involved was not so large, but yet it was very much exaggerated in my judgment. And I am told-I beg to give this information to my hon. friend the Minister of Justice

that some of the riparian owners on the river St. Charles have filed claims which, to use a well-known phrase, would make reality stranger than fiction. I ask him to keep his eyes open as to these claims, and to protect the treasury, as he swore to protect it when he was made Minister of Justice.


Charles Joseph Doherty: So far as it depends on me, and in so far as I can vouch for the officers of the department, we quite realize what our duty is in the premises, and

we certainly shall endeavour to continue to perform that duty to the best of our ability, as we have endeavoured to do in the past to the full extent.
Department of the Secretary of State- Salaries, $80,0i25 ; Contingencies, $16,500.


Thomas Vien: Have you called the. item of salaries and contingencies for the Department of Militia, Mr. Chairman?


Mr.   CHAIRMAN@: Does the hon. gentleman wish to revert to No. 5? It was' passed long ago.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: There will foe another item for Militia and Defence in the Supplementary Estimates.
Mr. J. H. .SINCLAIR: I would like to piention to the Minister of Justice in connection with his department that the returning officers have not been paid in connection with the election, and members are receiving a great many letters from people who complain that their fees have not been settled. One of the troubles is this: The proclamation for the election was sent out, I believe, late in October, and the returning officers were instructed to post it. They posted it at many places, and about a week afterwards another notice was sent by Mr. Foley, the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery^ accompanied toy a. letter in which the returning officers were told that if they had already posted the proclamation they must also post these notices, which might have gone out with the proclamation if they had been sent at the same time. The consequence was that in many eases, I am told, all over Canada, the returning officer had to go to the expense of sending men around the constituency to post these notices which left Ottawa on 6th November. The Auditor General takes the ground that he has no authority to pay, because he says that the notice should have been posted at the same time as the proclamation. For this condition of affairs it will require an Order in Council to authorize payment. There is no doubt .at all about the justice of paying the foills because the tetter from the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery positively instructs the returning officer that if the proclamation was already sent out, the notice must also be posted beside the proclamation. If that had to be done, and expense incurred, it should be paid for. The sheriff in the constituency I represent writes me that he had posted the proclamation and that after having done so, he got this letter, dated 6tfo November, instructing him to post this other notice. He did 
what he was told, and the posting of the second notice cost him $104.74. The parties who did the work are claiming their money, and correspondence has come to the Auditor General and to the members regarding this matter, which is now several months old, I hope the minister will take the matter up and instruct the Auditor General toy Order in Council to have it settled.


Martin Burrell: Apparently the Auditor General .is not able under the Act to pass these special amounts. There are some of the accounts which have been sent in which can be paid, and some which will require to be looked into. These are being dealt with by competent men, one in the Finance Department and the other the General Returning Officer. After they are sifted out then they can toe dealt with by the Governor in Council under a special clause.


John Howard Sinclair: Do not toe too long.


Rodolphe Lemieux: M.ay I ask the Minister of Justice when he expects that the amounts due to members of the military tribunals will be paid? I have already sent to my hon. friend some accounts from tribunals in the county of Gaspe, and they have been bombarding me with letters and telegrams.
I hope that my hon. friend will be able to settle them soon.


Charles Joseph Doherty: The last information I had on the subject, which was within the last- two or three days, was to the effect that all the claims that had been received had been passed for payment. They have to go from the Military Service Branch, to the accountant, and so on, but they have been passed for payment. I do not know that that means that all of them have been passed just as they were sent in, because there have been differences between the department and the tribunals.


Rodolphe Lemieux: It is not as to the amount, but as to the fact of being paid if they are legal.


Charles Joseph Doherty: That is the last information I have. I think it is contained in an answer that was given the other day.
Mr. DuTREMBLAY: I would like to ask the Minister of Justice a question regarding the Military Police.


Georges Henri Boivin: Order. We have long since passed the Estimates of the Department of Justice, andl we. are considering item No. 6, Department of the Secretary of State. The discussion has been somewhat out of order since the beginning, with

the exception of the first item discussed by the hon. member for iMaisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux) which I think was quite in order. But the other questions asked have been entirely out of order; and if it is the intention to finish up business to-night, the committee must certainly assist the chairman in keeping the discussion relevant.
Mr. DuTREMBLAY: Then I shall bring the matter up later.


George Green Foster: Estimates of otheT ministers will be under consideration.
Post Office Department-salaries, $943,870 ; contingencies, $125,000.


Rodolphe Lemieux: It is rather strange, living as we do under British institutions, that for the last three years we should have been deprived of a responsible head of the Post Office Department. But what is most extraordinary, indeed, is that the Postmaster General, having been defeated at the last election, should still be the incumbent, although he is not attending to the duties of his department. I know of only one similar instance in 'Canadian history At the very inception of responsible government, when the Governor was attempting to bar the way to its attainment, two gentlemen were sworn in as ministers in the Draper-Viger administration, under Sir Charles Metcalfe, if I mistake not. They went before the people and were defeated, yet they were retained in the Government. After some time, however, there w.as a reaction in public opinion, the Draper-Viger administration had to resign, the Lafon-taine-Baldwin ministry succeeded, and Canada has since had an uninterrupted succession of cabinets possessing the confidence of the people. Since this case of Mr. Viger and Mr. Morrison, no gentleman sworn in as cabinet minister and afterwards overwhelmingly defeated by the electors has been maintained in oflice against the popular will. Aside from the constitutional revolution which such a precedent creates, what are its consequences? During last session and since the beginning of this session we have not once been able to discuss seriously the administration of the Post Office Department-and heaven knows that it needs investigation. The expenditure of the Post Office Department has more than doubled since 1911. If a responsible head of that department was in the House we could discuss .These matters and certainly impugn its administration. What reason can the leader of the House give for such a nefarious precedent? Are there not gentlemen behind the Government who are able to occupy the position of Postmaster General? Is it fair for the Government to place the administration of the Post Office Department in the hands of a gentleman who does not belong to this House and is not appointed to the other? Hon. Mr. Blondin has not been elected by the people, and for him to draw his salary as minister of the Crown is rather surprising. I repeat that this is a dangerous precedent; it is on a par with the kind of government we have had since the beginning of the war. I need not say that my heart is in this war, but I regret that I ever gave my assent to the War Measures Act as it has been framed and applied. The country is being shorn of its liberties; Parliament of its constitutional rights. It is being shorn of its privileges and of its ancient usages. The constitution has become a by-word in Canada. The country is governed by Order in Council passed before, during and after sessions of Parliament, under the shallow pretense of winning the war. Mr. Chairman, we are fighting in Europe for the very liberties which are being denied to the Canadian people. I hope that the leader of the Government will give this Committee and the country the reasons why the Post Office Department has no responsible head, and whether this scandal is to continue during this fiscal year.


George Green Foster: I do not know that in the Committee of the House is the proper place to make statements with reference to the matter brought up by my hon. friend. I do not think things are quite as blue as he has tried to make them appear. These are extraordinary times. The late Minister of the Post Office-


Wilfrid Laurier: Is it the late minister?


George Green Foster: -and the present Minister of the Post Office, not now representing a constituency, is doing more than speaking in favour of the war. He has actually put himself to the test of the war, and is to-day at the front doing his quota in sustaining the war effort. I think that it to he taken into account. I grant you that constitutionally the assent of the people to the possession of a constituency is the normal ground for the continuance of a departmental head in office, but there has not been a lack of instances, in our own or other countries constitutionally governed, where that general principle has been passed by under temporary or extraordinary circumstances. This certainly

is no ordinary circumstance; it is an extraordinary one, and I do not think that for a short period the people of this country will find any great fault with the action of the Government in reference to Mr. Blondin under the circumstances to which his absence from this country is. due. iHe is doing where he is a service to the country equally as great as he could do here in Canada in administering a department of Government. The Post Office Department has not lacked for direction and Government during his absence. It has been under the care of a judicious and careful administrator. My hon. friend makes no point when he cites the fact that the expenses of the Post Office Department have increased during the last two or three years, and attempts to draw from that the conclusion that it is because of the absence of the departmental head. There are other reasons which account for the increase in the expenses of the Poet Office Department and which will be amply explained by the administrator of that office when, in .a few minutes, we come to his Estimates.
In reference to the more general subject as to Government of the country by Orders in Council under the War Measures Act, we are under experiences which are not different from those of all warring countries, and although we may talk academically with reference to loss of rights and privileges, there is not a single man of us who enjoys one iota less of his freedom, of his liberty, of his well-being, on account of the peculiar methods which do obtain in governments of countries in any period of great war and the stress which arises therefrom. If my hon. friend had been a member of a government during this war, he would have resorted to the very same measures. It is impossible not to do so. Let us take the case of the United States. The people of that country are, to a large extent, suffering a curtailment of the privileges of its legislative 'bodies such as in normal times they never would submit to for a single moment. They submit to it because the exigencies of war call for it, and it is impossible to have direct and strong action such as is necessary in war times, if you have to observe all the methods which obtain in normal times when everything has to pass through legislative channels. I do not think we are really very much hurt in the matter. As to the imputation of my hon. friend that he and the country have suffered from the Government which has been in power during the last three or four or five years, I am quite sure that the
['Sir George Foster.]
country had just as good an idea as my hon. friend from Maisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux) of what the Government had done and what they expected the new Government to do, when in 1917, they reposed an unbounded confidence in the present Government, although they may not have had as much practical acquaintance with governmental and administrative methods. When the war is all over, my hon. friend will not be the last to give his meed of commendation and praise for the way in which, and the methods by which, the present Government, and, I may say too, the past Government, have conducted the affairs of Canada in their objective of pursuing the war to a victorious conclusion.


Wilfrid Laurier: 
William Findlay Maclean: Without questioning what the leader of the House (Sir George Foster) has said, or what the leader of the Opposition. (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) has said,

may I point this out? This country is about to take over a great railway. We are to have a national railway, and with that rail-*vyay goes a national telegraph system. Therefore, at a period like this, a Postmaster General ought to 'be in office so. as to administer that national telegraph system, if the telegraphs are, as I imagine they are, to go under the administration of the Post Office Department. I should like to see not only a strong Minister of Railways, but a strong and active Postmaster General to administer the national telegraph system. .


Ernest Lapointe: Mr. Chairman, I concur in the
statements made a moment ago in reference to this matter by the hon. member for Maisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux). Under the circumstances, Mr. Blondin's absence is not only detrimental to the proper management of the Post Office Department, but it gives rise to a state of things which is contrary to public interest. As a matter of fact, the maintenance of Mr. Blondin at the head of that department, under the circumstances, is in defiance of public opinion, more especially of that of the people of the province which defeated the ex-minister at the last election, in two of the most important electoral districts of Quebec. French Canadians-and they constitute a most important section of the people of this country-are not represented in this Cabinet. We are not anxious to be represented in this Administration as now made up, and the remarks I have just made should not be construed as implying such a desire on our part. 'But let me say this: As long as the French Canadians have no representative in this Cabinet, at least let us dispense with that camouflage which is resorted to at present and in justification of which arguments quite as worthless are put forward.
Under the British system, it is contrary to every principle of constitutional government that a member of that Cabinet should be maintained in office and should continue to advise the Crown after ceasing to be a member either of the Senate or of the House of Commons. It makes no difference whether we are at war or not; I say to the Government that they violate every principle of responsible Government when they maintain in office a man who was defeated at the polls. As stated by my hon. friend the member for Maisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux), it seems as though, under the present regime, Parliament no longer exercises any rights in this country. Public affairs are settled by Orders in Council. We are left in ignorance of what is going on, the most important matters are disposed of without Parliament having any opportunity to interfere in any way. As an illustration, Mr. Chairman, take the question of prohibition; it is a most important matter. I, for one, would likely favour some measure of prohibition, especially during the war; but I am earnestly opposed to the settlement of the question through the Government, without Parliament being consulted, notwithstanding the fact that the hon. the President of the Council (Mr. Rowell) is a member of the Administration.
A few days ago, a member of this House was elected by Order in Council. If the hon. member for the Yukon (Mr. Thompson) sits in Parliament to-day, he owes it to the fact that, on February 26, the Governor General in Council abusing the powers conferred on them by the War Measures Act, suspended the working of the electoral law in this country, so that a partisan might secure a seat in this House.
We had been told that this Union Government, as the offspring of the Parliament which was to be elected on December 17, would exert some influence over the future of this country, because political partisanship would disappear and we were, at last, to see independence prevail in Parliament. We have had instances of such independence here within the last two or three days, members who, though they had been elected under the Union flag, under the flag of independence, cast their votes in direct opposition to the views they had expressed, because the Prime Minister had said: " If you vote in favour of abolishing titles in Canada, or else if you wish to prevent me, as Prime Minister of this country, from giving titles to my friends, although I am in favour of winning the war and have been elected to win it, I shall give up the job, and shall tender my resignation to His Excellency." Mr. Chairman, that such conditions cannot be tolerated much longer is quite apparent, because they are objected to by all right thinking people, and I would ask the Government, as also the Acting Postmaster General to give us some assurance to the effect that the Post Office Department will be put under the management of one who is the choice of the majority of the electors in some constituency of the Dominion.
Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment-Salaries, including solicitor at $4,000 ; Assistant Deputy Minister and Secretary at

$4,000 ; Director of Employment at $4,000 ; Accountant at $3,500, and Assistant Accountant at $2,500, $66,000 ; Contingencies, $25,000.


Rodolphe Lemieux: What are the names
of the solicitor, the assistant deputy minister and secretary, the director of employment, the accountant and assistant accountant?


Mr. McCURDY:: Mr. S. A. Armstrong,
*who was formerly in charge of the Ontario Government institutions, was appointed deputy minister shortly after the establishment of the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment. The other offices have not been permanently filled.
, Mr. LBMJEUX: Are they all appointed under the Civil Service Commission?
Mr. A. K. -MACLEAN: They will be appointed. by the Commission.


John Howard Sinclair: Does this department deal with the employment of returned soldiers ?


Fleming Blanchard McCurdy: The functions formerly performed by the Military Hospitals Commission have now been taken over by the Invalided Soldiers'- Commission, or rather the name of the Commission has been changed to the Invalided Soldiers' Commission. Invalided soldiers who have been returned to Canada for active treatment remain under the Department of Militia and Defence until their discharge from military service; when they are no- longer soldiers in uniform they come to the Invalided Soldiers' Commission which is under the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment. The principal classes-of invalids that will be taken care of by the Invalided Soldiers' Commission are the incurables, insane, and the tubercular cases; to that Commission will also return ex-soldiers who have a recurrence if illness due to service.
Mr. J. H. SINCLAIR; Will this department find employment for a soldier who is well enough to work?


Fleming Blanchard McCurdy: The Military Hospitals' Commission some three years ago called a conference of the provincial premiers. In each province is a Soldiers' Aid Commission, or similar body, though perhaps under different names. The premiers of the different provinces undertook the responsibility of finding work for returned soldiers through the medium of these provincial Soldiers' Aid Commissions. The Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment will aid in a sup-TMr. E. Lapointe.]
plementary way in securing employment for returned soldiers, but the primary responsibility rests with the provincial Soldiers' Aid Commissions. In the province of Nova Scotia, for instance, Mr. McCoy is the secretary of the commission, and is the person to whom applications1 for employment should be addressed.


Mr. PETER McGIBBON (Muskoka):: What is' the policy of the department with regard to tubercular and insane cases and epileptics?


Fleming Blanchard McCurdy: The policy that has been followed heretofore with regard to tubercular cases is to utilize the existing tubercular institutions. In many cases these institutions have been enlarged, and arrangements have been made with some of the institutions for the payment at so much per bed, the institutions taking complete charge of the cases. The large number of tubercular cases coming up for treatment have made it necessary for many of the tubercular institutions of the country to be enlarged; in many cases the accommodation has been doubled, but in each case a separate arrangement was made between the Military Hospitals Commission and the owners of the institution, or the provincial government operating the institution, as the case may he, on whatever might be mutually considered fair terms. With regard to insane cases, a uniform method of treatment is followed in all the provinces. At the conference of provincial premiers held in Ottawa, I think in November last, an arrangement was arrived at whereby all the incurably insane were to be cared for in provincial institutions, and the provincial governments were paid by the Military Hospitals' Commission a fixed sum per head per year.


Peter McGibbon: Might I suggest that there may be great difficulty on account of these institutions being at the present time very much overcrowded? We cannot get half the accommodation we require in the province of Ontario for the treatment of civilian tubercular and insane cases. It strikes me the soldier end of this matter - hould be handled by the commission direct.
Mr. DuTREMBLAY (translation): To an inquiry which I caused to be inserted dn the Orders of the Day, as to whether there was any foundation to the rumour that the Military Police had been substituted for the Dominion Police in the apprehension of conscripts, the hon. the Minister of Justice (Mr. Doherty) answered in part

!by stating that as yet no Order in 'Council had been passed to that effect. However, despite the answer given by the hon. gentleman, I am informed that such is the practice for the time being; that is to say, that the Military Police have charge of appTenhend-ible that every consideration should be Montreal.
It is useless for me to add that, toward ensuring the proper enforcement of the law, and especially the proper enforcement of the Military Service Act, it is indispensable that every consideration should, be given to the feelings of the people of the province of Quebec, as well as to those of the people of all other parts of the Domin-iion*. Further, I may say that Mr. Belanger, who is head of that department, has rendered valuable service, and it would be preferable, all things considered, to continue employing the Dominion Police, being careful at the samp time to give them strict instructions to do their utmost not to provoke, or even hurt the feelings of the people, as was done in certain cases.


Charles Joseph Doherty: Today, as in the past, in the district of Montreal snch work of apprehending, or rather locating-since apprehensions are not always in order-those Who have been called or are bound to report under the Military Service Act, has been entrusted in part to the Dominion Police and in part to the Military Police. It is now proposed to establish a regulation whereby that whole locating service would be performed by a single body. I believe, and it Ss a view which I think will commend itself to all, that under such circumstances, as well as under any other, it is preferable that authority and responsibility be centralized. The question is just now being considered, and a rule will be laid down within a few days.
I thank the hon. gentleman for the kind advice he has thought fit to extend to the 'Government, but I do not think there was much occasion for it. Heretofore, we have endeavoured to impress on those who, are entrusted with the carrying out and enforcement of the Military Service Act, that all are bound to faithfully fulfil the duties incumbent on them, but should invariably act in such a manner as to avoid antagonizing the people at laTge. In other wTords they should act toward people with whom they come in contact as officers of the law aie expected to do that is to say, they should see to its enforcement, without, however, fully exerting the powers with which
they are vested, except in cases of absolute necessity.


Thomas Vien: Before we leave this subject, the hon. Minister of Justice 'might inform us whether the two officers of the Dominion Police who had charge of the enforcement of the Military Service Act in the city of Quebec, and Who, by their demeanour, brought about those riots, have been dismissed?


Charles Joseph Doherty: The evidence in the matter of the Quebec riots, is far from showing conclusively that the said rioting was the outcome of the demeanour of these two men of the Dominion Police. At any rate, I am not in a position to state whether these two men have been dismissed or not. I shall make in-iquiries.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I saw a petition going around the House yesterday respecting the salary of a certain judge. I do not know whether it has reached the Minister of Justice yet or not. It has reference to our judge in the city of Sydney. The judge had his home in the town of Arichat, in Richmond county. He is a native of Arichat, and his district takes in Richmond, Victoria, and Gape Breton. He has come to reside in the city of Sydney. We have been battling with the Minister of Justice to try and get him a little more salary. He only gets $3,000 a year. He cannot live in the city of Sydney on $3,000 a year. He can live more cheaply in bis own home in the town of Arichat. He has his home there, and a very comfortable one, too. He has told the -Cape Breton Bar that he must, notwithstanding the great inconvenience that it would be to the Bar, go back to his own home. The Bar of Cape Breton are up in arms. I saw a petition yesterday that is to be presented to the Minister of Justice. If anything can be done to make it possible for the judge to live in the city of Sydney, it would be very much appreciated by the Cape Breton Bar. The minister might allow him a little more salary. The petition will reach the minister shortly.


Charles Joseph Doherty: The determination of the place at which a judge should reside is a matter Within the authority of the provincial legislature. As to legislation looking to an increase of 'a judge's salary, I am afraid I cannot say to the hon. member (Mr. McKenzie) that it is possible in the present session to deal with that. He says that he has been battling on behalf of this judge. It may perhaps not be an in-

discretion for me to say that I have been doing considerable battling myself on this question of the inadequacy of remuneration of certain judges, but so far my battling has not been crowned with success.
Dominion Police-amount required, $146,765.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Is the Minister of Justice aware of the resignation of a Dominion Police officer by the name of Belanger?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Mr. Belanger, a week or ten days ago, tendered his resignation. The resignation has not been accepted in view of a question concerning the enforcement of the law with respect to those who are being called out. The question is at the present moment engaging attention as to whether it is desirable that one force, one authority, should deal with this subject, and as to which of the two forces which in the past have been engaged in connection with the matter should be exclusively charged with it. Action in regard to Mr. '.Belanger will depend upon the decision reached in that regard, and that decision will be reached almost immediately.
Mr. LEMilEUX: I am informed on the best authority that Mr. Belanger is an excellent and efficient officer, moderate in the exercise of his authority, and I hope that he will be retained in office and that the condition that he has brought to the attention of the hon. gentleman will be given consideration. We will have no trouble in so far as the city of Montreal, or the whole district of Montreal, is concerned with a gentleman of the judgment and of the poise of Mr. Belanger. I do not know Mr. Belanger personally, but I have had both from lay and clerical sources the highest praise with regard to him.


George Green Foster: Before you
leave the Chair, Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a very short statement. Tentative arrangements have been made for the Governor General to come to this House at ten o'clock to-night for prorogation. What we have to do in the meantime, if that arrangement is to be carried out, is to pass the remaining items of the M'ain Estimates, not so very many, and the Supplementary Estimates and the whole' of Concurrence. That, as hon. gentlemen know, takes some time in the reading. Therefore I hope we shall be able to despatch that business in order to help towards that end. After consultation with my right hon. friend (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) it is suggested that you take the Chair again to-niglit at seven o'clock instead of
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eight o'clock, and that members should practise so much self-denial as will enable them to be present at that time.
'The OHAiICRMiAiN:	According to arrangement I now leave the Chair to take the same again at seven o'clock.
At six o'clock the House took recess.
After Recess.
The committee resumed at seven o'clock, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.


Georges Henri Boivin: Do any honourable gentlemen object to our proceeding without a quorum?
Militia and Defence, Gratuities, $5,541.42.


John Howard Sinclair: Are these for the year mentioned?
Major-General MIEWBURN: One of these gratuities is to the family of Professor J. M. Lanos. He is a Frenchman, who was for years a professor at the Royal Military College. He was ordered to France, and came back here and died, leaving a large family.
Legislation-(Senate-Salaries and' contingent expenses, $113,416.!5(0,.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I saw the other day
that the Senate was very severely criticised in the press for the purchase of some ladies' purses. I think the frills should be cut out, and the purses too.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I quite agree with my hon. friend. It should not have happened. I noticed a reference to this matter in the Journal of Commerce. I shall call the attention of the Minister of Finance to this matter. I quite agree that there should not be a single cent spent for such purposes.


John Howard Sinclair: Is it true that the Senate claims that they have a right to make expenditures of this kind without authority from the Government?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: There may be something in that contention. However, if we decline to give them the money, that would prevent the expenditure.


John Howard Sinclair: But they put up that claim, do they not?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I think they do.


John Howard Sinclair: Does the Government agree to that doctrine?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: To this contention of the Senate?


John Howard Sinclair: To accept the principle that the Senate can originate expenditures?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: No, we do not concur in that. I was informed that that contention was made quite recently. I do not know whether it is true or not.
Legislation-House of Commons, $457,'537.50.


Rodolphe Lemieux: What is that vote?


Georges Henri Boivin: It is the salaries of the whole staff of the House of Commons, expenses of committees, and so on. This item has been slightly changed. The salary of the Deputy Serjeant-at-Arms, $2,575, has been struck out, there being no Deputy Serjeant-at-Arms. Shall the item as amended carry?


Ernest Lapointe: I understand that His Honour the Speaker has entrusted somebody with the task of preparing a report on means to decrease the expenditure of the House of Commons. Has any report been prepared in that connection?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I do not know whether the report has actually been prepared, but I know that Mr. Speaker has been engaged in the preparation of a report. I shall inquire before we close this evening, and if he has a report he might be requested to make an announcement.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I was appointed a member of a committee to review the expenditures on the Journals and Votes and Proceedings to see if these could be combined, with a view to reduce expenditure. I was not convinced of the practicability of the scheme, and as the committee could not meet very conveniently during the session, although we had two or three meetings, a report was prepared recommending that the matter come up next session, when another committee will be appointed. Meanwhile, nothing has been done.
Library of Parliament, salaries, etc., $66,700.


Rodolphe Lemieux: It has been reported in the press that Mr. DeCelles, the General Librarian, is to be replaced by Mr. Sevigny. In reply to a question which I put to the leader of the Government, I was informed that he had no information on the subject. Mr. DeCelles is in perfect health, hale and hearty. He is an excellent officer and has been in the library for several years with Mr. Griffin, who is also an excellent officer. Surely the Government would not appoint as librarian a man who has not the ueces-sary qualifications for the position. To be a librarian nowadays requires a great deal
of experience. Besides being an expert librarian, Mr. DeCelles is a man of letters, and as such has a high reputation. I should like to have the assurance of the Government that they do not intend to superannuate him if he is willing to work for many years to come.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: The rumour is entirely unofficial. I have not heard of it officially.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Then I have the assurance that no change will be made?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: 1 have absolutely no knowledge of the matter. I have not heard it stated officially by any of my colleagues that Mr. DeCelles is to retire. That is all I can say. If he is still capable of performing his work, I cannot see why he should be retired.
General-contingencies of the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, including the employment of temporary help, $5,00'0.


Rodolphe Lemieux: At the beginning of the session I received letters and telegrams from enumerators in the counties of Maison-neuve and Gaspe respecting the payments of their accounts. Have all these accounts been settled?


Martin Burrell: A great many claims
have been submitted which, under the Act, the Auditor General could not pay. 'These have been placed in the hands of Mr. O'Connor, general returning officer, and of Mr. Stockton, of the Finance Department, for investigation with a view to their advising me what amounts should be allowed under the circumstances. They will then be dealt with by the Governor in Council.


John Howard Sinclair: There is no doubt about the authority of the Government, I suppose, to make payment legal by Order in Council?


Martin Burrell: The Act provides for
that. Unquestionably many claims were sent in of an extravagant nature which, as presented, could not be allowed.
Pensions on account of the Fenian raid, 1866-70, $1,600.
Mr. J. 'H. SINCLAIR:	I had inquiry a
few days ago from a gentleman in California who said that he was entitled to pension on this account but that it was now too late for him to apply for it. Is it still open to him to apply for this pension?
Mr. A. K. 'MACLEAN:	My recollection
of the Act is that it -was passed for the purpose of excluding any further applications

after a certain date. This amount is probably voted to meet some cases that have been under review.
Salaries and'contingent expenses of the Board of Pension Commissioners for Canada, $750,000.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I understand that Colonel Labatt has resigned from the Board of Pension Commissioners?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Yes.


Rodolphe Lemieux: And that his resignation has been accepted. Is the pension paid to Senator Bradbury to continue?
Sir GEORGE* FOSTER:	I have no information on the matter. I shall inquire into it and let my hon. friend know. Whether I can give the information to the House to-night ot not, I do not know.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Does-my right hon. friend approve that pension?


George Green Foster: It is not necessary for me to answer that.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The doctors say that Senator Bradbury is entitled to the pension.


George Green Foster: The pension was not granted by the Government, but through the Pensions Board in the usual way and after the usual examinations and reports.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I wish to enter my
earnest protest against the payment of this pension to. Senator Bradbury. I should think that his having been appointed a member of the Senate constitutes a life pension sufficiently remunerative to exempt him from receiving a pension from the Pension Board, If Senator Bradbury had been amongst the combatant forces'-
Mr. MiIiDDLEBRO : Would not his appointment to the Senate only prove that he was permanently incapacitated?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I .am also reminded that all exemptions are now abolished.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I do not wish to be unjust towards Senator Bradbury, but if he had been on the firing line and in the combatant forces, I would not object to his receiving a pension; although it seems that, after having received that life pension by his senatOTShip, he should not receive another pension. I protest against his pension. I think it is nothing less than a scandal.
Mr. DuTREMBLAY: I understand that some few days ago the French Canadian section of the Great War Veterans' Association, at a meeting held in Montreal,

passed a resolution requesting that Dr. Lav-iolette, who has been serving at the front for several years as surgeon and who holds the rank of major, be appointed to represent the French Canadians on the Pension Board. Is it the intention of the Government to take any steps regarding this request?


George Green Foster: The Government will pay every attention to any request that is made to it with reference to the filling of that important office, and it will be the main effort of the Government to see that a perfectly qualified man is appointed. Whether that man is a French Canadian, or an English Canadian, or any other Canadian, will depend a good deal upon the merits as compared with the work which is to be undertaken, but all those requests as they come in will be given careful attention.


John Howard Sinclair: This is a very
large item-for salaries and contingent expenses of the Board of Pension 'Commissioners for Canada, $750,000. Some explanation, however brief, ought to be given as to why it is necessary for us to vote such a large sum of money. How many members are on the board?


George Green Foster: I am not able to say how 'many, but my hon. friend will only have to think of the work which is before that Pension Board to understand how widely distributed it is and what an immensity of detail there is in connection with its work. There is a very large staff and that staff will increase in proportion as the number of the pensioners increases,
Mr. J. iH. SINCLAIR: Does this pay for the whole staff?


George Green Foster: Yes, it is not
the salaries of the officers alone; it is for the whole staff. If my hon. friend had the leisure time and would look into the Pension office to understand its organization and the immensity o'f the work, he would be fully persuaded that the staff was not too large, and that it will probably, before the war is over, be larger instead of smaller.


Mr. SUTHERLAND:: We had submitted to the House this morning a report from the Committee on Pensions, and it does not look as though we would be Able to deal with that report to-night.


George Green Foster: It is the intention to go 'back to that report and have it discussed and passed.


Donald Sutherland: If there is to be
an opportunity afforded for having a full discussion on that matter, I shall not take up the time of the House now, hut this is a matter which I consider of as great, if not greater, importance than anything that has come before this House during this session.


George Green Foster: We shall get badk to it.
Distribution of Parliamentary documents and other Government publications, $45,000.
Mr. LEiMTEUX:	What was the saving
made as regards this distribution of parliamentary documents?


George Green Foster: About $175,000
up to the present time.


Rodolphe Lemieux: That does not appear
here.


George Green Foster: That saving is distributed over parliamentary and governmental documents as well. It represents a saving which took place under circumstances which were not favourable to the greatest saving, because the savings commenced later than they will another year.


Rodolphe Lemieux: The system adopted by the Distribution office is an excellent one. I refer to the system of sending out to institutions cards containing a list of public documents that are available and leaving to the parties the selection of documents which they want. By this work I think a great saving can be accomplished.
Expenses under the Canada Temperance Act.
$1,000. [DOT] ( {


Rodolphe Lemieux: Should this be expended, now that we have prohibition in Canada?


George Green Foster: The expenditure has been cut down to $1,000.
Special Allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, to cover expenses when attending the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. $2,500.


William Cameron Edwards: The Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir George Foster) said this afternoon that a statement would be made in regard to this item. I am not prepared to let it pass without further information being given.


George Green Foster: I did promise that a statement should be laid on the table of the House later in the day. That statement is at present in the hands of the Prime Minister, and I expect it before the House prorogues.



William Cameron Edwards: I would ask that this item stand in the meantime.
Item stands.
Special allowance to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, to oover travelling and other expenses in connection with his services while acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General, $5,000.


William Cameron Edwards: I hope I shall not be misunderstood in raising objection to this item. I do not want to be understood as being parsimonious in regard to the salaries that should be paid to the judges in this country. I should not object if the salary of the Chief Justice of the Dominion of Canada was doubled; I would not put my judgment of the worth of his services against the judgment of hon. gentlemen in this House who are of the legal fraternity and therefore better able to judge the value of those services than I am. But I do not like this roundabout way of adding to a man's salary, whether it be the Chief Justice of Canada or anybody else, and it does seem to me this is a roundabout way of adding to his salary. If the judgment of this House 'was that his salary should be $15,000 or $20,000, I should not object, but I say it is ridiculous, illogical, and unreasonable on the face of it, to say that $5,000 is necessary to eover travelling and other expenses in connection with the services of the Chief Justice while acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General. The Chief Justice of Canada, I understand, comes down here once in a while to sign certain documents and act as the Deputy of the Governor General when His Excellency is away. If he is to be paid for that service, well and good, but to say that $5,000 is a fair remuneration for the work done is not in my opinion reasonable. Why does the item appear in that way? It must .look to the general public as unreasonable, and that being so, it does not reflect credit on this House or upon hon. gentlemen. I agree that the position of our judges calls for such remuneration as will enable them to maintain the dignity of their position; I am quite in accord with that idea. But let us look at this thing reasonably and face the facts fair and square. Let us vote the Chief Justice of Canada a salary that is fair and reasonable according to his position, instead of voting him a salary which in the judgment of the members of this House is only half what he should get, and then making up the deficiency in some- roundabout way.


Wilfrid Laurier: I would call my hon. friend's attention to the fact that


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it is not exact to say that this is an addition to the salary of the Chief Justice of Canada. The history of this vote is this. At all times since we have had a Governor of Canada, there has always been an Administrator of Canada, or a substitute for the Governor, so that if the Governor was called away or was incapacitated for one reason or another from discharging the functions of his office, the executive head should not be wanting in Canada; there would always be some one to represent Royal authority. In the olden days the officer who discharged these functions when the Governor General was away was called the Administrator, since known as the Deputy to the Governor General. In the olden days the Administrator was the General Commander of the Forces who at that time was residing in Halifax. We had in those days garrisons at Halifax, Montreal, Kingston and Toronto, but the garrisons were moved from one place to another until at last we had only one garrison, and that was stationed at Halifax. The Commander of the Forces lived in Halifax and as it was inconvenient for him to come to Ottawa in some short absence of the Governor, . it was thought advisable, and this dates back I think to the days of Sir John Macdonaldi's Government, to have the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada made the Administrator or Deputy Governor, and the salary was attached to the office at that time, if I remember correctly; I think I am right in that, but I speak subject to correction. It was thought advisable afterwards to give the salary as Administrator to the officer who happened to be the Chief Justice of Canada, That is the reason for this vote. Whether it is too high or not is another matter. I simply wanted to call the attention of my hon. friend to the fact that this is not an addition to the salary of the Chief Justice. We must have an officer for this purpose, and if it is not the Chief'Justice it must be somebody else. 'I simply rose to correct the observation of my hon. friend, and to say that this sum is not an addition to the salary of the Chief Justice, because sometimes the duties of the Deputy Governor have been performed by a puisne judge of the court who has received the remuneration. This remuneration is attached to an office which I think ought to be remunerated.
William Cameron Edwards: Permit me, Mr. Chairman, to express my thanks to the rigid hon. gentleman (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) for the ex-

planation which he has so fully and kindly given. I am very glad, indeed, to get it, because this is the first time I have heard a full explanation of the matter. Perhaps that is my fault. At all events I am glad to get the explanation now, and get it from one who has been connected with the affairs of this country for so long, and who can speak of his personal knowledge. I repeat, I have no desire whatever to he unjust or unfair to any man in this country, the Chief Justice or any one else, and 1 am very glad, indeed, to get this explanation, which I think was due to the members of this House, and which possibly it is not against the interests of the Chief Justice himself for the public generally to know.


Rodolphe Lemieux: It ie true that the
Deputy Governor General resides in Ottawa for six or seven months of the year, but I know that he resides at Murray Bay for a part of the year.	.


Samuel Hughes: I have never raised the question, but I would like to learn, if possible, what the function of the Chief Justice is in attending as an associate member of the Judicial Committee of the Privy-Council.


Georges Henri Boivin: I do not think that question is in order now that the item has been held over and will stand until some further information has been disclosed.


Wilfrid Laurier: May we return to the item providing for the special allowance?
Sir GEORGE FOSTER moved
That the committee revert to item 2*68.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.
'Special allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, to cover expenses when attending the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,500.	[DOT]
Wilfrid Laurier: This special
allowance to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court to pay his travelling and other expenses while attending the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council goes back to the days when Sir Oliver Mowat was Minister of Justice. At that time the then Chief Justice, Sir Henry Strong, went to England to sit as a member of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council under an Act which had been passed by the Imperial Parliament inviting judges of colonial courts to sit with the members of the Judicial Committee. Their services were required especially fox colonial cases. The Government of that day, at the instance

of Sir Oliver Mowat, placed an. item in the Estimates of $2,500 to cover the travelling expenses of the Chief Justice.' I do not remember the exact wording of the item, but it was to pay the travelling expenses of the Chief Justice while attending the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, or some such wording as that. This item goes back to 1897. It was for travelling expenses. It appeared in the Estimates in that form until 1915 or 1916, when the item was changed from "travelling expenses" to "special allowance." Under this the Chief Justice received his travelling expenses to attend the court, when, in fact, he had not attended the court. Why this change was made from "travelling expenses" to "special .allowance" I do not know. That was not in my time. It was in the time of the present Government. What the explanation of it is I do not know.


Samuel Hughes: The late Government.


Wilfrid Laurier: The present Government.


Samuel Hughes: The late Government.	[DOT]


Wilfrid Laurier: No, not the late Government; the present Government. It may have a new complexion now but that is only a veneer; it is always the same old Government. They changed the words "travelling expenses" to "special allowance" and the right hon. the Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden) made the statement lately that it was paid monthly. It so happened that in one or two years the Chief Justice was not called upon to attend the sitting of the Judicial Committee and on those years he had received the money. If the item had been left as it was before with the wording "travelling expenses" the money could only have been paid when there were travelling expenses, but it was changed to "special allowance" and there the matter stands to-day.


William Cameron Edwards: As I have intimated
once before in this House I often feel myself at a loss in discussing some of these questions when I have to pit my poor abilities against those of a lawyer who has had training along legal lines, knows the intricacies of the law and knowing also how to make a bad case out of a poor one.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Oh, oh.


William Cameron Edwards: Well, I will leave it at that, because the case, although poor before, is worse now. The wording of the item was changed from "travelling ex-
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penses" under which, as the right hon. gentleman (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) says the money could only be paid when he travelled, to "special allowance." What is the' significance of the word "special"? If it was a special allowance I would imagine it would be granted for a special purpose and if it was for a special purpose, what was that purpose? Unquestionably it was to pay his expenses if he went overseas to attend the Privy Council. He did not go to attend the sittings for two years but he drew the $2,500 nevertheless. One might criticise paying a man $2,500 to cover travelling expenses even if he did go over, because, if you allow for a first-class passage on one of the best boats that cross the Atlantic and grant him a liberal remuneration during the six or seven weeks that he stays in Great Britain attending the Privy Council, his expenses will come far short of half of $2,500, let alone $2,500. I would not call in question the payment of the $2,500 if he had actually gone across to attend the sittings of the Privy Council. But it does seem to me that no amount of twisting-I do not use the word in a discourteous sense-no amount of camouflage can get around the fact that $2,500 was paid for a specific purpose which purpose was not carried out and he therefore was not entitled to that $2,500. There is only one thing that a member of Parliament can do and that is to insist that that money shall be handed back to the treasury of this country. If we have not some assurance along that line, there is only one thing I can do and that is to ask that this item be struck out. If you pay the Chief Justice $2,500 a year for a specific purpose which he does not carry out, then I shall certainly not give my consent to an item remaining in the Estimates to vote $2,500 to the same gentleman for a purpose which he will not carry out.


George Green Foster: I want to call the attention of my hon. friend and of the members of the Committee to the wording of the vote. These Estimates are not got up by parliamentary lawyers, and it is quite open to ask why the word "special" should be there at all. The thing would explain itself if we made it read an allowance for a certain purpose. The word "special" does not qualify it in any sense good or bad.


Samuel Hughes: How does it read?


George Green Foster: The item reads as follows:
Special allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, to cover expenses when attending the sittings

of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,500.
Taking the wording itself, it means that this amount is to be paid if he is attending the meetings of the Privy Council. If it is considered well to have a special representative of Canada on the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, in view of all the different circumstances which may arise in reference to Canadian cases and Canadian law, if the country feels that that is a good thing to do-and I have no doubt about it whatever-then the country will have no objection to paying the expenses of the said representative when he does attend the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council.	I I


Samuel Hughes: In case the judge named (may not be able to go, under the wording of this item, no other judge could go. If it is proper that Canada should be represented there, why not word the provision so that it can be Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, or any other justice selected by the Government? While I am on my feet I would like to ask what duties this gentleman performs when in attendance as a member of the Judicial Committee ot the Privy Council? Does he make arrangements in advance as to how a case shall be tried, or give the judges data in advance, or arrange for the cases to be presented before the Judicial Committee?


George Green Foster: He sits on the committee, of which he is a member.


Samuel Hughes: Does he make dispositions in advance, or anything of that kind?


George Green Foster: The Minister of Justice could better answer that.


Samuel Hughes: I would ask the Minister of Justice if he can throw any light upon the question as to what duties this gentleman performs in connection with cases coming before the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council? If is rumoured that these gentlemen do sometimes assist in the preparation of the cases to be submitted, as well as of the judgments.
Mr. LElMIEUX: I hold no brief for the Chief Justice of the Supreme 'Court, but I may say that I attended the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council when I was Solicitor General. I remember perfectly well on that occasion seeing Chief Justice Taschereau, who was then sitting on the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council for the first time. The committee's 
sittings begin early in the summer months and last for three months at least. It is not only for the trip to England and meeting the other members of the Judicial Committee that this allowance is paid. The 'Chief Justice of Canada, sitting with the other members1 of the Judicial 'Committee of the Privy Council, hears not only Canadian cases but cases from all the other Dominions. He takes the cases en delibere with the other judges, and the reports to His Majesty the King are made by that committee of whom he forms one. I can assure my hon. friend that the Chief Justice of Canada spends, when he is in London attending to his judicial duties, very much more than the amount he receives from Canada. Now let me say this:	My
hon. friend from Frontenac (Mr. Edwards) will see in the Estimates of this House the salaries of the Supreme Court judges of the province of Ontario who are paid the same as are the Superior Court judges in the province of Quebec, namely, 8 p.m. $7,000 a year. But the province of Ontario pays every year to each of its Supreme Court judges an additional $1,000, under an Act which was passed under Sir Oliver Mowat's premiership of that province, by reason of the fact that those judges perform additional work in connection with the hearing of election petitions. That was a pretext-but a good pretext I must say-to increase the salaries of the Ontario Superior Court judges. Do you think, Mr. Chairman, that the Chief Justice of Canada, sitting as a member of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, should not get this small allowance of $2,500, when he is on a par with the other members of the committee in respect to hearing all the appeals that are inscribed, especially when it is borne in mind that lawyers like Mr. Lafleur, K.C., and Mr. Geoffrion, K.C., of Montreal, and Sir Allen Ayleisworth, and Mr. Hellmuth, of Toronto, or any other prominent lawyers in Ontario, receive for one case at least twice that amount.


William Cameron Edwards: My hon. friend has the Estimates before him. Will he refer to item 268 and read it like this:	"Special allowance to the Hon. Rodolphe (Lemieux to cover expenses for attending the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council." Or suppose it read that it was to cover the expenses of the hon. gentleman attending the Imperial Conference. Would the hon. gentleman take that money if he had not gone to that Judicial 'Committee or to that (Conference?


Rodolphe Lemieux: Oh. well


William Cameron Edwards: That is a question that can be easily answered. If I were a lawyer and my hon. friend were a witness I would rap the desk firmly and say to him, " Answer the question, sir-yes, or no."
Mr. LEMflEUX:	If it was understood
between the Chief Justice and the Government that this allowance was voted to the former for the object of representing Canada at the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, I would certainly accept the amount under such circumstances.


William Cameron Edwards: Whether you went or
not?


Rodolphe Lemieux: But the other vote did not read in that way. My hon. friend knows that as the vote reads to-day, the Chief Justice would not draw the amount if he should not go to England? Does he not think so?
Mr. EDW1ARDS:	Will my hon. friend
say that the wording makes any difference whatever as to what that $2,500 was voted for? That is camouflage, and nothing else.


Ernest Lapointe: That is a good
Erench word.
Sir WiILFR'ID LAURffiER:	Let me call
my hon. friend's attention to a statement coming from Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, which was made by the Prime Minister the other day. It is to be found at page 2044 of Hansard. He will find that in the year 1913-14 the vote was:
Travelling expenses of Sir Charles Fitzpatrick attending sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,500.
Fiscal year 1914-15-travelling expenses of Sir Charles Fitzpatrick attending sittings of Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,500.
Fiscal year 1915-16-special allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick to cover expenses in connection with Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,50'0.
Why was the change made that year from " travelling expenses " to " special allowance"? That I do not know-my knowledge stops there. It is for the Government to explain why this vote was changed. Was the special allowance given to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick no matter whether he went once, twice, or three times to the Judicial Committee, or not at all? That is a question as to which I have no knowledge, hut at any rate there is the law to-day.


William Cameron Edwards: My right hon. friend
(Sir Wilfrid Laurier) w'ill not argue that the Chief Justice of Canada took this $2,500 without any reference to the purpose for which it was voted. He cannot surely argue that. I am perfectly satisfied in my own mind that he believes as I do, that, notwithstanding the change in the wording of this vote, the purpose for which it was granted was precisely the same in the one year as it was in the other. My right hon. friend and the gentleman (Mr. Lemieux) who sits upon his right are trained barristers and can always find a loophole where apparently the argument against them is irrefutable. If I had a legal training I could perhaps make my contention more convincing still.
But I would like to get a straight answer from the right hon. gentleman, or anybody else, why there should he a different consideration made for the vote in one year than in another, because in the one year it says for "travelling expenses" and in the other "special allowance." What was the purpose of that vote in each of these years, whether it was for travelling expenses or for special allowance it was to meet his expenses when he went across the seas to attend the sittings of the Privy Council. If it was not for that purpose, what was it for? And the Chief Justice of Canada is no more entitled to get $2,500 out of this country for services he has not performed than anybody else is. What was that special al. lowanoe for? For his activities in connection with the Imperial Privy Council. It could not toe for any other services that he rendered for the Privy Council on this side of the Atlantic. It must toe for his services when he goes overseas. That is unquestionably what it was for. In two years, the vote was so worded that some persons thought-apparently the Chief Justice himself thought-he could take this money notwithstanding that he had not performed the services for which the money Was specially voted. To put it mildly, I think the Chief Justice of Canada has made a very grievous mistake in taking the money in those two years; and if the majority of the members of this House think that he made a mistake, then the proper thing to do is to rectify the mistake, and that can only be done by paying 'back the five thousand dollars.


Wilfrid Laurier: My hon.
friend has asked me a question as to the interpretation of that vote. It is not to me that he should direct that question. The law was changed from "travelling ex-

penses" to "special allowance." It was done for a purpose. I ask my hon. friend to .put that question to those who made the law.


William Cameron Edwards: Is it not Due that we all made the law? My right hon. friend, because he sits as< leader of the Opposition, cannot absolve himself from all responsibility in the matter. Neither can the memlbers of this Ho.use.


Wilfrid Laurier: Pardon me. I make the laws here, but I absolve myself from many of the laws I have made. I accept only my own responsibility.


Samuel Hughes: Was not the reason this: travelling expenses would not run up probably to the amount voted, and it was in order to cover travelling expenses and, in a sense, services at the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. I have asked several times what were the services for which this $2,500 was voted.


Thomas Vien: Might I venture-


Samuel Hughes: May I have an answer?


Charles Joseph Doherty: As to their nature, they are precisely the services of a member of any court. When the 'Chief Justice of Canada goes over to sit in the Privy Council, as has been pointed out, he sits as a member, hardly of a court, but as a member of the Judicial Committee, which is the ' proper designation, which advises His Majesty as to the disposition which should be made of the cases.


Samuel Hughes: Does he prepare the cases?


Charles Joseph Doherty: He sits as a judge sits, hears the cases, as one of the committee composed of a number of members. When they have heard the cases and studied the cases, they form their judgment, and he takes part in that judgment with the other members of the Judicial Committee. As I understand it, provision is made qualifying the Chief Justices, or the judges of certain courts in the Dominions, upon invitation of the Judicial Committee, to join with them in the hearing of cases. It is found, I think, particularly desirable in connection with colonial cases. Upon that invitation, when the Chief Justice acts upon and sits as a member of the Judicial tribunal, his duties as such are purely judicial, that is to say, to hear with the other members of the committee the cases and to make up his mind with the others as to 
what the proper .judgment is to be rendered.


Samuel Hughes: He does not have to do with hearing the evidence in advance or anything of that kind?


Charles Joseph Doherty: No, he sits like any other member of the tribunal.


William Cameron Edwards: I want to call attention to one other thing. In the year 1914-15 the vote was "travelling expenses of Sir Charles Fitzpatrick attending sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,500." This amount was paid, as Sir Charles Fitzpatrick attended sittings of the Privy Council in August, 1914. In 1915-16 the vote was "special allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick to cover expenses in connection with Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,500." He drew it that year. Now, I have a right to ask, inasmuch as this is a vote to cover expenses in connection with the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, what expenses were incurred to warrant the payment of that amount? The wording is being changed this year to read as follows: "Special allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick to cover expenses when attending the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council." That makes it, of course, that he cannot get it unless he attends. The 6nly difference then in the wording in the two years is that the one year says "when attending." Now, if you say he is entitled to $2,500, whether he attends [DOT] or not, to cover, expenses in connection with the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, then it is up to this Government, or to those who think that the money should be voted, to show what those expenses were, or to show what trouble he was put to which would justify the paying of that amount to cover expenses. In the one case we have travelling expenses. When he travels, it is actual travelling expenses. We can understand that. In the other case, he does not travel, and gets the amount still to cover expenses. No travelling in that case: then what are the expenses? The idea unquestionably was to pay him $2,500 to cover his expenses in attending sittings over there. It is unreasonable to suppose otherwise. That being the case, when he did not attend, when he was not put to any expense for travelling, it seems to me self-evident that he has no business to draw the amount for services he did not perform.


George Green Foster: There is no doubt about the wording of this vote. Is there

any doubt in the mind of the Committee that if we have a representative on the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, and we send him there, that we ought to pay him his travelling expenses, the expenses that he has incurred in doing that duty? The vote is so worded that it shows its intention explicitly. And I am quite willing to say that not a cent of that money will be paid unless the service is rendered. Under that, has my hon. friend from Fron-tenac any objection to the vote passing?
I will also say that I will get the information and give it to him, I hope, before this session is over, with reference to the two preceding years.


William Cameron Edwards: My right hon. friend (Sir George Foster) has asked me a question, and I will answer it. I am not prepared to let the vote go through. I am in the judgment of the House; I am only one. But the fact that, in my judgment, five thousand dollars of the -money of Canada has been taken out of the Treasury by a man who happens to 'be Chief Justice of the Dominion of Canada, warrants me in saying that I will not consent to the passing of another item of $2,500 to that gentleman until I know that that money will be refunded.


George Green Foster: I think we must let this item stand until a later time, and come back to it again. When I have the information I will give it to the House, and then the House can make its own decision.


Samuel Hughes: I suggest that instead of providing a specified sum for Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, we vote an amount for the duties performed and expenses incurred1. Two thousand five hundred dollars would not be too much to grant for the duties performed.


Mr. RICHARDSON:: That would be a great mistake. I do not see why the Chief Justice of this Dominion should not be in the same position as that occupied by the humblest civil servant in the country so far as this matter is concerned. Why should he not make a return to the Auditor General of the expenses which he incurs on this visit to England? Why vote him $2,500? It does not cost Sir Charles Fitzpatrick $2,500 to go to London. Let Sir Charles Fitzpatrick do as any other civil servant is required to do, that is, submit an account of his expenses, and we shall be glad to pay them.
Item stands.
Post Office-Outside Service, salaries, etc., $19,116,260.75.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I notice that the country has lost the valuable services of the Postmaster at Toronto. The postmasterships of Toronto and Montreal are the most important in Canada; these are the largest offices, yield the largest revenue and incur the largest expenditure of any in Canada. The press of Toronto are unanimous in their desire that the late Mr. Rogers, the former postmaster in that city, be soon replaced. We have just passed a Bill which is supposed to bring about Civil Service reform. Will the leader of the House inform me, without giving names

I understand that he must be very discreet about such appointments-whether it is the intention of the Government to select by promotion from within the ranks and according to merit only, a successor to the late postmaster at Toronto?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Under the Civil Service Act all appointments are made by the Civil Service Commission, who will doubtless proceed in accordance with the provisions of that Act. I understand that the question is presently engaging their attention.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Perhaps I am too exacting, but I am not satisfied with my hon. friend's answer. Various rumours are afloat and prominent names have been published in the press in connection with the vacancy in the Toronto post office. Will the Government fill this vacancy by appointing an officer from within the ranks on the principle of promotion and according to merit?


Charles Joseph Doherty: The hon. gentleman does not seem to -grasp what I pointed out: that the appointment is not in the hands of the Government; therefore, the Government cannot say who will be appointed. The ' Government will appoint nobody. The Civil Service Commission will make the appointment, and I have no doubt that -they will give consideration to the point raised by my hon. friend. I do not speak positively, but I think that the principle of promotion such as my hon. friend -suggests is laid down for the guidance of the Civil Service Commission.


William Stevens Fielding: I must express my regret at the manner in which the public business of Canada has been handled during the last two or three days. I think I am right in saying that this is the first time that we have had before us any item which permitted the discussion of post office affairs.


Charles Joseph Doherty: The post office estimates have not been up before to-day.


William Stevens Fielding: It is now half past eight o'clock, and I am informed that at ten o'clock His Excellency is to come down with the expectation of proroguing this Parliament. It is very desirable that we should do business expeditiously. But I want to say this: I shall not use the word " protest " because that is too strong a word, but*I believe I voice the general opinion of the House when I say that this is not a fair way to do the business of the Dominion of Canada. I realize the necessity of the Prime Minister and some of his colleagues going away, but certainly that is no reason why the whole work of Parlia-. ment should be rushed through in the way in has been done during the last two or three days. We have had 'meetings of the committees at ten o'clock in the mornings; the House has met at eleven o'clock in the morning; it has met in the afternoon; it has met in the evening, continuing till all hours of the night; and now at this stage of the session we are, for the first time, within an hour and one-half of prorogation, taking up the Estimates of one of the greatest departments of the Government and we are in a few minutes going to vote $19,000,000 for that department. I want to say, in no spirit of fault-finding, that this is not a proper way of doing business, and I do not think the Government are justified in rushing business through in this way. While it may be quite necessary to provide for the absence of the Prime Minister, he has able and competent colleagues who could take charge of matters in his absence, and we should have been able to sit here for a fe&r days longer and conduct the business of the House as it should have been conducted.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I wish to emphasize the remarks made by the hon. member for Shelburne and Queens. I shall not delay the proceedings of the House, but I shall simply ^ give a few facts which will show how this whole business is badly managed.


Sir   S@: Has it not always been the same?


William Stevens Fielding: No, it has not.


Rodolphe Lemieux: My hon. friend says that we are going to vote $19,000,000 without having had a single minute during a session of nearly three months to discuss the affairs of the Post Office Department. I said before dinner that the expenditure in that department had doubled since 1911.
[iMr. Fielding:.]
I have the figures under my hand. In the public accounts I find that in 1910-11 the expenditure in that department amounted to $7,954,222. In 1911-12 it jumped to $9,172,035. In 1912-13, it was $10,882,804; in 1913-14, $12,822,058; in 1914-15, $15,961,191; in 1915-16, $16,009,138, and in 1916-17, $16,300,578.


Mr. MIDDLEBRO:: How much has the revenue increased in that time?


Rodolphe Lemieux: I know that the special war tax has increased the revenues of that department, but putting that tax aside, as it should be, the revenues have practically remained the same while the expenditure has been more than doubled. That is a very unhealthy state of affairs. I do not wish to delay the proceedings of this House, but I shall simply enter my protest. We have had no opportunity to discuss the postal administration, and yet we are face to face "with this bald fact that, in 1910-11, the expenditure of that department was about $8,000,000, whilst for the last fiscal year it had reached the enormous figure of $16,300,000, with no more revenue than in 1911, with the exception of the war tax.
'Mr. DOHERTY: The hon. member has pointed out that, in the last seven years, there has been, as he states, no increase in the revenue, if you eliminate the special tax. I am assured by those who know the facts that in that he is quite mistaken, and he shuts his eye to the fact that there has been an immense expansion in the business to be carried on by the Post Office Department. We have nad a great extension of the rural mail route deliveries. We have had an immense increase in the parcel post business which has necessarily entailed an additional cost of the service rendered to the public. Anything so unfair as taking the bald statement that more money is being spent in the year 1918 than was spent in the year 1911, and concluding that that necessarily implies improper expenditure, I think it would be difficult to suggest. As to our having such a very short time to deal with this miatter, we have been in readiness, on different occasions, to lay these Estimates before the House, and the delays that have prevented us are not attributable to the Government. Yesterday we spent one whole day that might have been usefully employed in discussing in detail these very Estimates, in discussing a motion that prevented us from going into this matteT. On other occasions attention has been given to matters that

are certainly less important than these Estimates, but whose is the responsibility?
I do not think this is an exceptional instance which has never occurred before. I shall not dwell upon the reasons on account of which, in the judgment of those best qualified to speak for both sides of the House, it was not thought desirable that this session should be prolonged. Those reasons commended themselves to the general judgment of the House. Those reasons have brought about this situation, wh?ch I should be glad to have avoided, but the responsibility for which does not rest, at all events exclusively, upon the shoulders of this Government and this particular department.


John Howard Sinclair: I would like to have from the minister a statement as to the cancellation of mail contracts. There is a great deal of unrest amongst mail contractors throughout the country, many of them claiming they are losing money by carrying out their contracts. I understand that of "late some contracts have been cancelled. Will the minister state briefly on what terms a mail contractor can obtain cancellation of his contract?


Charles Joseph Doherty: A mail contractor has no right to cancellation of his contract. He tendered for that contract in competition with others, and got it because his tender was lower than the fenders of others. But ae I mentioned some time ago, upon a resolution on this subject, taking into consideration the circumstances and conditions which justified the belief that, in many instances, it is, at all events, probable that unexpected increases in costs have so altered the situation of the contractor as to place him in a position where he is suffering substantial loss, we did adopt, ae I explained at that time, the rule that, where a man had, under totally different conditions, entered1 into a contract which, for the reasons I gave a minute ago, might be entailing serious loss to him, we would in such oases consent to cancellation of the contract and call for tenders at the present time, putting that man in a position where he would be enabled to do the work at prices -similar to those for which others would be willing to. do it, giving him his fair chance w.ith everybody else. As I explained, I could not convince myself that it was fair to those who had failed in obtaining contracts that the man who had got it because his tender was lower in the first place than the others should retain the contract at a higher price because he
was losing money. Of course, it is not really a sound business principle to consent to cancel a contract at all, and if we were standing on our rights we would not cancel them. .But I have felt, and I think the House will justify that view, that where it was perfectly clear that a man by reason of unforeseen and unusual circumstances was in a position- where he was actually doing this work for the country at a substantial loss to himself, the country should not insist on holding him to his contract.


Samuel Hughes: In the old wagon
days a certain mileage rate was allowed up to a certain sum. Possibly that has all been done away with, now that tenders are called for.


Charles Joseph Doherty: The work is let by calling for tenders.
-Sir SAM HUGHES:	Under the system
carried out by the minister one man may find that- he has submitted too low a price, but he has to struggle on. Why not return to the old system and say the rate should not exceed so much per mile or per trip? Give the department a little option in the business. I do not want to take up the time of the House, but I could give half a dozen instances where men who have the mail contract are losing money. They find themselves cut out and then the man who takes their place in turn has the same experience. I think it is hardly fair to the men who are doing the contracting.


William Findlay Maclean: There is a great deal of distress among the men carrying the rural mail in our part of the country, and they -would like some advance. If the minister would allow the men who have the contracts a better rate I certainly think something of that kind ought to be done, because I get letters nearly every day from men who are actually losing money on- their contracts. If the minister can possibly find a way of relieving the distress of these rural mail -carriers it certainly ought to be done.


James Arthurs: I was desirous of bringing this matter to the attention of the House-. I read with some interest the statement made by the minister some time ago respecting the possibility of cancelling these contracts. As a matter of fact, in only one of the cases that have come to my attention has the contract been cancelled, and that was the best paid one of the lot. An absolute refusal to cancel the contract was given in every other case.

The minister has stated that as a matter of right these contracts need not and should not be cancelled because these men entered into them in a perfectly open and legal way, and knew what they were doing. It is true tenders were called for, but in almost every case it has been the practice of the Government for many years past when the tender price was a little higher than they wanted to pay, to send an inspector or some one acting on his behajf around and peddle the contract between Tom, Dick and Harry, beating them down like a Jew would until they got a certain price and in most cases the price was ridiculously low. I know a case in one part of my riding where a man for many years has been carrying the mail for a dollar for a return trip of sixteen miles, and yet he has to go on in spite of the fact that the price of everything has gone up. This man has not had a new contract for years, I venture to say, but his old contract has been renewed, the department simply saying to him that he should not ask for anything more in these hard times. Rural mail delivery contracts have been let in the past on the basis of $30 per mile per year; in other words, a man who had a trip of twenty miles would receive about $2.12 or $2.15 per day and out of this magnificent sum he had to pay the expenses of keeping a horse or a team, and pay for his meals when away from home, and when you take into account the present price of hay and oats, that leaves him 62 cents a day. I was told by one official of this Government that the matter might be remedied by letting women do the driving, and letting the men go into other employment where they might earn perhaps $3 per day. I told my informant it might be quite true of the part of the country from which he came, but that it would be absolutely unfair to ask any woman in my part of the country to drive a team twenty miles a day through snow in winter and mud in summer for the magnificent sum of 62 cents a day. I would be ashamed to offer it to any woman in the province of Ontario. These men are suffering an actual hardship, and I think the members of this House have a right to demand that where these men ask for a cancellation of their contract it should be granted at once. If a man is making any money out of the contract he will not ask that it be cancelled, but will go on with it; it is only men who are losing money who will ask to be relieved from their contract.
CMr. Arthurs.!
The minister said a few moments ago that we are getting an increased revenue and doing increased work on account of the parcel post system, but what about the poor fellows who carry the parcels twenty or forty miles away from the railroad, and sometimes require two teams of horses to draw the mail in? These men are carrying the mail for the contract price in force before the war, and before the parcel post system had reached anything like the proportions it has to-day. These men are not getting one cent extra in spite of this heavy additional work.
I want to say a word on behalf oi the country postmaster. In a great many cases it is a woman who is doing this work for $50 a year. She has the trouble of looking after the post office every hour of every day, and I think something should be done for these people. No man, let alone a woman, should be asked to put himself to the inconvenience of handling the mail in one of our country post offices for the sum of $4 a month. I think something should be done for their relief now. We are told that the estimates are doubling themselves every five years, and I think some part of the increase should be given to this very deserving class of our people.


Donald Sutherland: In the early days of the session a resolution dealing with this question was 'before the House, and I believe the Prime Minister asked to have the debate adjourned with a view tj resuming it later in the session after the Government had had an opportunity of considering the matter of an increase in salary to the rural mail carriers. A few days ago I asked a question in the House, and the leader of the Government informed me that an opportunity would be given when the post office estimates were up to discuss this question.
The rural mail carriers are undoubtedly rendering a splendid service to the country, a service which is invaluable under present conditions, and at this particular time, when we are taking care of practically every branch of the public service of this country except the rural mail carriers, I think some explanation is certainly due as to why some relief has not been afforded them. Two years ago when a number of these contracts were let conditions were altogether different from those of to-day. I have a case in mind which I took up with the department about six months ago, asking that the man be relieved from his contract or be given an increase. Yester-

day I had another letter from him almost begging to be relieved from his contract, as his family was sick and he had no means, and he also urged me to see that the last part of his salary was forwarded to him immediately.
fie is in a position to 'get daily wages as an ordinary labourer that would be much greater than he gets with his team and outfit while carrying His Majesty's mail. That is surely a condition of affairs which should not exist. It is deplorable. You must realize that many of the rural mail carriers are at a time of life when they are very much below their ordinary earning power. Old, and often crippled, men who are unable to engage in ordinary labour render good service as carriers of the mail. When you stop to think of the torture that these people had to endure during the past winter you must realize the very great injustice that is being done. I do not think that I am asking too much when I ask that adequate salaries be paid to these [DOT]people. I would give some official in the department, an inspector, a superintendent, the deputy minister, or some one else, the right to exercise a little discretion in the matter during the abnormal times through which we are passing. The department ought to see that a uniform remuneration is paid for this service and that nobody is carrying His Majesty's mails at a loss. If a mail carrier is performing his duty at a loss the department ought to make up the difference. In a case such as I have referred to, where a man has gone down and out in absolute poverty as a result of carrying the mail, I think some recompense should be made. It is humiliating for the people of Canada to have public service rendered when the people who are rendering that service are unable to support themselves and their families as a result of the increase not only in the cost of living but in the cost of feed for their horses. The Government increased the salaries of letter carriers, who have only themselves and their families to support, but the rural mail carrier has a double increase to attend to. H6 has not only himself and family to provide for but he has his steed. The feed for his horses has now doubled in price, its cost is four times greater than it was when he entered into the contract. I was a little surprised that some explanation has not been given in view of the request that the Prime Minister made when the hon. member for West Peterborough (Mr. Burnham) moved his resolution dealing with the matter. We have been looking
day after day to see if something was going to be done in this regard. It is a matter of keen disappointment to me to find that apparently no provision is going to be made to take care of the people who are performing this service.


Mr. G. B NICHOLSON:: I just want to add a few words to what has been said :n regard to file rural mail carriers and pcsl-masters. Cases similar to those which have been spoken of by my hon. fiiend (Mr Sutherland) have come to my notice in the past three or four months. When I have lirought these to the attention of the department, I have had the same answer, that these men were under contract, that they had taken the contract at a specific price and they must carry it out. In one district in my constituency two rurai mail routes became vacant. No contractor has come forward and expressed a willingness to accept the price that the department is ready to offer. In one case the department have suggested to me that if I could get some one to take a contract they would be willing to consider a compromise and make the rate a little higher. Therefore, the whole contention about mail contracts being carried out falls to the ground. If they would simply give the contract to the lowest tenderer, whether or not such a tender was higher than the limit they had fixed instead of sending some one out to try and beat the man down to the mileage basis which was arrived at a few years ago, satisfactory contracts would probably be obtained. The only fair way is to give the mail carriers an increase in proportion to the increase which every one else in the country is receiving. I desire to say a word in regard to rural postmasters. I have had this matter also up with the department. A group of members waited on the minister and I think we made it clear that on the new basis which was established in 1915 fixing the salaries of rural postmasters there was a discrimination against the man who is in a post office with a revenue of less than $10,000 a year. Under the basis in force prior to 1915 a revenue of $10,000 gave the postmaster $3,200 a year as income. Under the new regulation a postmaster in order to get $3,200 a year has had to increase his postal revenue by 23 per cent. A postmaster in an office with a revenue of $1,000, received $500 a year, but under the new regulation he has to increase the postal revenue 52 per cent in order to get the same salary that he got before. I have spent considerable time at the Post Office Department trying to get

to the bottom of this question, but I will admit that I could not convince the officers of the department that there was discrimination. I pointed out the case of a post office in my riding where the postmaster's salary had decreased in the past two years, that whereas he was getting $208 a month prior to the change in the blasis rate-out of which he had to pay his rent, light, heat and	assistant-the	remuneration
has been reduced to $159 per month or a reduction of $49 a month while the work has been very largely increased. I have in my pocket a statement from the Poet Office Department in regard to another post office in the district I represent, where the total amount that the postmaster receives for carrying the mails and keeping the post office, with an allowance of $80 per year for night duty, is $416, including rent. When a group of members had this question up with the department we were given to understand that probably some relief might be given when the Supplementary Estimates came down. But in the Supplementary Estimates I find that there is an item put in to take care of increases to thirty postmasters where the revenue is more than $10,000, and where the salary will be $3,200, but there is not one single nickel for the rural postmaster. The condition has just got down to this, that it has become almost impossible to get a man whb can be depended upon to take charge of the post office in an outlying part of the country. Certainly, I feel that the whole scheme of remuneration for the rural postmasters and rural mail carriers should be revised and that something like reasonable compensation should be given to them.


Mr. KEEFER:: I would like to corroborate what the hon. member for East Algoma (Mr. Nicholson) has said. In many cases the rural postmasters are not paid what they ought to be. In some cases there are well founded complaints about the management of the post office, but nothing can be done, because when you speak to the postmaster you know he is not properly paid and you cannot find fault. The remuneration of these postmasters and mail carriers is not what it ought to be. A case came up recently in Port Arthur where a man who had served faithfully for twenty-five years died and no allowance whatever was made to those who were dependent upon him. The postmaster wrote to the department about the old and faithful servant, but nothing could be done. I think the postal department should revise their salaries and allowances.


Mr. BOYCE:: I would like to endorse what has been said in regard to the rural mail carriers and postmasters, and to apply it especially to the postmasters in the county of Carleton. I know a postmaster within seven miles of the city who is carrying the mail seven miles backwards and forwards for the sum of $300. There is no better class in the community than the country postmasters. They have to keep their offices open from six o'clock in the morning until possibly ten o'clock at night, in return for which they receive the munificent sum of about fifteen cents a day. If the Government are not generous they should at least be just, and I think it is only right that these men should be paid fair wages. Take the rural mail carriers. They drive twenty-five miles a day generally and are paid $600 a year, which hardly suffices to feed their horses. If we expect the mails to be carried in a satisfactory manner, we ought at least to pay these men a fair wage. I hope the Government will take these representations into their earnest consideration. We do not urge an extravagant stipend, but it should at least be a just one. I do not think any man who is in charge of a post office, and keeps it clean and presentable, should be paid less $100 a year, while the mail drivers should receive at least $1,000 a year.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: There is in my county a grave state of affairs with regard to the rural carriers. The people there feel that the postal department is probably the best run department in the Government service because it is administered so parsimoniously. The general public think it is a wonderful department, by reason of it being the most economical branch of the public service.


Charles Joseph Doherty: It is a pity the hon. member from Maisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux) is not one of the listeners.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I will be glad to study the situation a little and find out who is the mean man at the head of the department. I cannot say that it is my hon. friend from St. Ann, because he is only the acting minister. However, I have observed this: A man having a route of twenty-five or twenty-six miles paid for on the old standard at the rate of $30 per mile per year, refused his contract lately when it expired. New tenders were called for and only one was received, which was $200 higher than the former contractor was paid. The Government would not give the contract to the tenderer. I suppose if his tender had been $200 lower he would have

got it very quickly. The department, I presume, said to the inspector: "For God's sake, see if you cannot save that $200 and get somebody to take this work."
The inspector wrote to the former contractor and he refused to continue the work. The request virtually made was: " Please keep the contract .and we will peddle around and see if we cannot get somebody to take it." That was the tenor of it, for I saw the letter. The man wrote back and said: " I will not be bothered with it." Is that a fair way to do business? If the Government are going to stand by the principle of calling for tenders they should take the offer that comes in, whether it is a httle higher or a little lower. I do not think it is dignified for the Government to attempt to beat down men who have sent in a bona fide tender according to the regulations, and failing that, attempt to get the former contractor to help them out.
While on the subject of the parsimony of the department, I do not know whether the Post Office Department is blameable for this matter or not, but I know a post office janitor who has served for thirty years at the magnificent salary of $600 per year. Although he is married and has raised a family of three children, he has not had an advance of salary in all that time. That man is there yet, but is frightened of his life of being squeezed out if his health fails him and losing that miserable pittance.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I understand that janitor is suffering from the parsimony of the Public Works Department.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: He has charge of the public building which accommodates the Excise, Customs and Post Office Branches. But it shows the parsimony of the department that they would keep a man at a salary of $600 after thirty years 9 p.m. of faithful service. Hon. gentlemen stand up in this House and talk on behalf of the under-dog and all we get is a nod of the head from the Acting Postmaster General. He does not rise and say he is going to see that grievances like this are remedied. I think that the situation in the country to-day calls, and calls loudly, for the Government to declare that the time has come when this loyal and efficient body of officials in the country districts should get some recognition and some consideration. Large increases can be easily got for the big men, but nothing is forthcoming for the little men. There is no doubt about that. Why
is it? Hon. gentlemen sitting on the front benches do not go to the country. They do not know the country. They are ensconced in Ottawa .mingling with the high fellows, the club fellows, and the top-notch fellows. They do not know the country fellows at all. It is about time they roused themselves and shook up the service. We have got a splendid body of officials, but the officials are frightened of the ministers.


An hon. MEMBER:: Are they?
Mr. [MORPHY:	Yes, absolutely frightened, and yet some of them are men of strong parts and large hearts, but they are so repressed by the ministers that they are in a state of perpetual fright. When it comes to Sir 'Thomas This, or Sir Thomas That, it is easy enough to get a thousand dollars, it goes through hidden in the Estimates so that you cannot find it. On behalf of the Outside Service, I want the Acting Postmaster General to give the pledge to-night that, so far as this department is concerned, he will shake things up in the interest of that deserving body of men, and the same with the rest of his colleagues, so that the country's needs will be properly taken care of and what we sometimes call the "under dogs" properly looked after. You cannot expect a man to keep a wife and family of three children on such a salary as $600:


Rodolphe Lemieux: That's a large family.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: There are some men in the eastern provinces who probably have more than thirteen children:. Well, for keeping the post office, furnishing fuel and light and shovelling the snow off the paths in the winter for the convenience of the public, country postmasters get the magnificent sum of $75 a year. Morning, noon, and night, these postmasters are at the behest of the public in an official capacity, subject at any time to dismissal and the loss of that munificent stipend, if somebody happens to complain that he did not receive a letter which he should have got. Services such as these are, to. my mind, public services in the true sense of the term, and these men should not be treated in the meagre, miserable, measly way in which they are treated throughout the country. I ask the ministers to realize that the Government is not getting any credit from the people for the parsimony exercised and displayed towards what might be called the inferior service, but is nevertheless the superior service, rendered by these people in the country districts. I ask again for

the most favourable consideration for the claims of these people, and that they be given a fair show.


Georges Henri Boivin: Before recognizing Mr. Euler, who caught my eye several momenta ago, I wish to s-ay that never in my experience have hon. gentlemen kept so well to the question before the Chair as they have during the last two hours, but I must also remind them-without in any way desiring to call them to order-that there is only one hour left in which to dispose of about one hundred items in the Estimates. I understand that His Excellency the Governor General is leaving for Toronto on the eleven o'clock train, but if hon. gentlemen think that prorogation should be delayed until to-morrow, why of course it will have to be. I understood, however, that it was the desire of every one that Parliament should be prorogued to-night, but I would be very glad to have the opinion of the committee. If it ie the unanimous consent that we adjourn until to-morrow the chair man is quite willing.


Ernest Lapointe: Only hon. gentlemen on the other side have spoken so far.


Georges Henri Boivin: At the present rate, it will be impossible to meet the wishes of the Committee.


George Green Foster: I think, Mr. Chairman, that we will be able to get through in fair time. If we cannot do it by ten o'clock, we can by a little after ten, and if not by then, then by a little after eleven. We can get our views out, and I think we can get ready for prorogation to-night. I would not have gone so far as to have suggested it to-night, but there have been many times when we have made the same general conventions. And I have consulted also with my right hon. friend (Sir Wilfrid Laurier).


Wilfrid Laurier: My right hon. friend (Sir George Foster) will certainly acknowledge that there has been no obstacle placed by us. We have been endeavouring to further the business. But the business of the country must be done, at all events.


George Green Foster: Oh, yes.


William Daum Euler: I shall not keep the House more than, a few moments. I thought it was absolutely in place that at least one member on this side of the House should support what has been said by seven or eight members on the other side. I absolutely agree with the argument advanced

by those who have already spoken. I believe the people of this country will absolutely endorse anything in reason that the Government will do for the relief of these three classes in the postal service- the letter carriers, whose case, I believe, has been dealt with, I think, not .altogether too liberally; the postmasters, whose remuneration, I think, is almost a disgrace to the people of Canada; and the rural mail carriers. I agree with what has been said, and I think that the Government should deal with this,not in the spirit of getting the services of these men for as little as possible but with some idea of remunerating them according to what they deserve. I think the people of this country should support *>
them in that. I will also say that, before the House prorogues, hon. members would appreciate some sort of an expression of policy on the part of the Government with regard to this matter.


William Stevens Fielding: 
John Howard Sinclair: There was a certain amount of disappointment in this House at the answer the Acting PostmasteT General (Mr. Doherty) gave to the question of my hon. friend beside me (Mr. Le-mieux) as to the principle which should be adopted in filling the vacancy in the Toronto Post Office. The minister said, when asked if it would be filled by merit from gome man already in the service, that the department had nothing whatever to do with it, that the office would be filled by the Civil Service Commission. We are all aware that the Civil Service Commission has a certain amount of control, but I find that the Act says that the
Governor in Council may make such regulations as he deems necessary or convenient in carrying out the provisions of the Act. There is nothing to hinder the Governor in Council from making a regulation as to the making of appointr ments. I would like to know from the minister, in view of the fact that the Government have complete control over the commission whether the principle of promotion will be applied at Toronto or will the old patronage system be followed?


Charles Joseph Doherty: The hon. gentleman comprehends in a manner I cannot follow the provisions of the Act that the Governor in Council may make regulations to carry out the Act, while the Act says that the Civil Service Commission shall make the appointments. And the hon. member suggests that we should make a regulation to control the Civil Service Commission, which, under the Act is to control us.


John Howard Sinclair: The Act says that the Governor in Council may make regulations to control the Civil Service Commission.


Charles Joseph Doherty: For the purpose of carrying out the provisions of that Act.


John Howard Sinclair: Certainly.


Charles Joseph Doherty: But not, as I understand it, to empower the Governor in Council to make regulations to tell the Civil Service Commission whom they shall appoint.


John Howard Sinclair: The minister will not say, I am sure, that the Government have not .the power to make a regulation that the principle of promotion by merit shall apply.


Charles Joseph Doherty: As I understand it, the Civil Service Commission are to determine as to how they will select the best man to fill the office. And if it were up to this Government, would the hon. gentleman suggest that we should make a rule that even if in the judgment of the Civil Service Commission the man next in position was entirely unqualified, that he should be nevertheless promoted? To do that would bind the Government in all cases to appoint to vacant positions the man who happens to be next in rank, and would tie absolutely the hands of the Civil Service Commission.


Isaac Ellis Pedlow: I wish to bring three matters to the attention of the Acting Postmaster General: First, the postage on parcels to soldiers overseas. This is a subject

that I have had in mind ever since Y came to this House in April. During the campaign in December it was impressed on me very forcibly from many quarters that it would be desirable if the Government could see its way clear to forward free of charge parcels to the soldiers overseas. Poor women who have to work hard for their money and find it difficult to pay for the material contained in the parcels sent to their sons overseas, have to pay in addition excessive amounts by way of postage On a package of ordinary size the postage amounts to thirty-eight or forty cents, and this makes the cost of the whole parcel very high. I am sure that this suggestion will appeal to the sense of fair play of many members on the other side of the House. The next matter that I have in mind is that of postage on magazines to soldiers. In the magazines published in the United States there is a notice on the cover advising the reader that if after he finishes reading the magazine he places a one cent stamp over that notice and drops the magazine in the post office, it will be forwarded to some soldier in the army or the navy overseas. I think that this also is a matter for the serious consideration of the Post Office Department. Then, there is the suggestion that the revenue from the sale of postage stamps and inland revenue stamps be kept separate. It is impossible for the Post Office or Inland Revenue Departments to determine exactly the amount of revenue received by the respective departments in respect of these stamps if they are not kept separate. Moreover, the way they are dealt with now is not businesslike. I suggest that the ministers of these two departments take this subject into consideration. It should not be possible to use a postage stamp for inland revenue purposes, and vice versa.


Ira Eugene Argue: If rural mail carriers resign their positions, will the Government release their bondsmen?


Charles Joseph Doherty: These people are not employees. They do not receive salaries; they are contractors who undertook to do certain work at a certain price. I do not think it is possible for me to say that I will cancel the contract of any rural carrier who asks that his contract be cancelled, because the question whether he had made a bad bargain or a good one would then cease to receive consideration. I do not see why a rural mail contractor, who is receiving proper remuneration which he

originally agreed to take, should be relieved of his contract merely, perhaps, because he can get a more paying position if he goes somewhere else. It can only be dealt with, so far as my judgment goes-


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Carried.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I am asked by some to answer, and others interrupt by calling "carried."


Isaac Ellis Pedlow: I would like the Postmaster General to give expression of opinion regarding the matters to which I have directed attention.
Special allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick, to cover expenses when attending the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, $2,500.


George Green Foster: I stated this morning that I would give the House an answer to the member for Frontenac (Mr. Edwards) and the member for Kingston (Mr. Nickle), with regard to their inquiries concerning the allowance to Sir Charles Fitzpatrick in respect of his attendance at the sittings of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. I will read the statement if my hon. friend wishes, but the substance of it is this : Sir Charles Fitzpatrick contends that he was entirely justified under the circumstances in accepting the allowance for the two years during which he visited London. That is entirely true. But with reference to the last two years, as it appears to be the wish of the House that these amounts should be returned, he says that he is quite willing to return them. I think that is the gist of the matter.
Dominion Police-further amount required. $11,0'00.


Jacques Bureau: I see that there is a provisional allowance under this head in the Supplementary Estimates. Is this amount of $11,000 to give a supplementary allowance to the Dominion police, or it is just the ordinary increase to which they are entitled under the law?


Charles Joseph Doherty: I understand this further amount of 111,000, which is for the last fiscal year, is attributable to the fact that it has been found necessary to increase the number of the Dominion Police. Their work under existing conditions calls for additional help. That is the reason why we were $11,000 short.


Jacques Bureau: It is for past services?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Yes, for the last fiscal year.


Jacques Bureau: Is it the intention of the minister to give the Dominion Police any supplementary allowance the same as is being done for the Outside Service on account of the increased) cost of living?


Charles Joseph Doherty: We expect to make to the different ranks a proportionate increase in their pay.


Jacques Bureau: Plus an allowance?


Charles Joseph Doherty: The increase in their
pay will represent the allowance. Instead of proceeding by way of allowance, in view** of the discrepancy between their pay and the pay of other police forces, what is going to be done is to give a reasonable increase of pay.


Jacques Bureau: That will be an increase over and above the salaries they were getting last year, plus the allowance, to supplement the difference in the salaries?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Yes.
Arts and Agriculture-For the purchase of seed grain and feed oats-Governor General's Warrant (Mar. 8, 1918), $700,000.


Mr. KAY:: What was this used for?


George Green Foster: The item explains itself. It is for the purchase of seed grain and feed oats. The purchases have been made and the amount is re-paid to the public treasury.
For the purchase of screenings, mill feed and corn, $300,000.


William Frederic Kay: What was that purchased for?


George Green Foster: That was purchased in the same way by the Department of Agriculture for the purpose of getting feed for the stock raisers, which was sold to them and for which they paid.
Adulteration of food, and the administration of the Act respecting fertilizers, fraudulent marking, and commercial feeding stuffs.- Further amount required, $5,000.


Thomas Vien: It was understood with the leader of the House that there was a matter that would be introduced on the Supplementary Estimates of the Department of Militia and Defence. I understand that there are no Supplementary Estimates of that department.


George Green Foster: There were Estimates of the Department of Militia and Defence in the Supplementary Estimates. Ihey were passed just after the committee assembled at seven o'clock. My hon. friend was not in the House at the time.


Thomas Vien: I was here when the Chairman took the Chair.


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Mr. DuTREMBLAY: Item 342 is not yet passed.
Thomas Vien: If all the items connected with the Department of Militia and Defence were passed after recess, I suppose the leader of the House will permit me, as promised, to introduce this matter on this item which is connected with the Department of Agriculture.


George Green Foster: My hon. friend sees exactly where we are. If he were here at seven o'clock when those Estimates came up, he should have spoken to those items. As it is now, this is not an item to which his remarks would be pertinent. At the same time it is quite true, as I said this morning, there would be items and he would have an opportunity of saying something.


Thomas Vien: There is at my disposal another way of bringing before the House the matter I have in mind. I have a motion to adjourn the House in order to discuss a definite matter of urgent public importance.


Georges Henri Boivin: Order.


Thomas Vien: If the Chairman will allow me to put a -question-


Georges Henri Boivin: Order.


Thomas Vien: I think the right hon. gentleman will allow me to explain.


Georges Henri Boivin: Order. It is well
known that the rule in Committee of Supply is that #the discussion must be strictly relevant to the clause that is before the committee at the time. The Chairman, of course, has no knowledge of any agreement which may have been made between the hon. member and any hon. member who may have at the time been leading the House. The -Supplementary Estimates of the Militia Department were passed at about ten minutes after seven o'clock this evening. The Minister of Militia was in his seat and asked that those items be called owning to the fact that he was obliged to go -somewhere else, and the items were passed. The Chairman would suggest-it is merely a -suggestion-that the items be allowed to go through as quickly a3 possible, -and, if we have time left, the hon. gentleman may, with the unanimous consent of the committee, address the House on the subject, but, without unanimous consent, I certainly cannot allow him to do so.


George Green Foster: The facts are as have been stated by you, Mr. Chairman.


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The Minister of Militia was in his seat, and the items were called and passed. My hon. friend (Mr. Vien) did not notice that and consequently lost his opportunity. At the same time, I would be very sorry to have him go away feeling that he had been disappointed in his purpose. Let us put through these estimates and put through concurrence. Then I am going back to motions, and, with the consent of the House, my hon. friend can then take his time.
Jacques Bureau: We cannot rely on the S unanimous consent of the House. Some hon. member might object.


Ernest Lapointe: We will take it on concurrence.


Thomas Vien: It will take longer on a motion to adjourn.
Railways and Canals-chargeable to collection of revenue-Canadian Government Railways, working expenses, further amount required, $8,500,000.


John Howard Sinclair: Before this item is carried I wish to have a parting word with the Minister of Railways on the question of patronage on the Intercolonial railway. I have brought this matter to his attention several times, but I have not yet had a clear and distinct statement from him as to the policy of the Government in this matter. We all know that the employees of the Government railways were excluded from the Civil Service Act which has just been passed. I want to tell the minister that in Eastern Canada the patronage system still exists on the Intercolonial railway notwithstanding the fact that the Prime Minister stated some months ago that it had been abolished. It has not been abolished. When I brought this matter up a few days ago the minister said that he had had a conversation with the superintendent of the road, and that he had -told the superintendent he had a free hand with regard to the question of patronage. Now that is not sufficient to bring about the reform we desire. The general superintendent will be afraid to offend members of Parliament in that part of Canada by enforcing this reform unless he is backed up by the whole strength of the minister, and the minister so far has not taken the action that is to be desired. In Nova Scotia we have a committee which looks after securing employment for returned soldiers. The committee is very active and has done splendid work in the wliy of finding employment for the men who are coming back from the front. The secretary of the committee a

few days ago wrote a letter to the master mechanic on the eastern division of the Intercolonial railway. It had occurred to this committee that some of these soldiers might be given positions as brakemen or cleaners on the railway, and this letter I have referred to was written for the purpose of eliciting from the master mechanic a statement that he would accept applications for employment of that kind from returned soldiers. Let me read the reply to that letter:


CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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Eastern Lines.
R. H. Martin,
Superintendent Diet. No. 4.
Stellarton, N.'S., April' 2.2, 1918. Secretary, Returned Soldiers' Employment Committee,
65 Metropole Building,
Halifax, N.S.
Dear Sir:
Your letter of the 16til instant to hand, in regard to the employment of returned soldiers.
If you have two machinists, I could place them at Sydney. In regard to wipers and cleaners employed at the roundhouses, I would refer them to Mr. A. McGregor, M.P., New Glasgow, for a recommendation, as this has always been the practice when taking on employees in the railway.
Yours truly,
W. N. Ingram, Master Mechanic.
Mr. Ingram has the duty of employing men on the eastern division of the Intercolonial, and in this letter he tells the secretary of the committee that if he wants to get a position on the road for a returned .soldier as a wiper or cleaner, which is the *meanest position on the Intercolonial, the applicant must get a recommendation from Mr. A. McGregor, M. P., for New Glasgow. Imagine, Mr. Chairman, a young soldier just back from Vimy Ridge who wants a position of this kind on the Intercolonial going to the door of one of the shops on the Intercolonial and with hat in hand asking for a jbb, being told that he must first get letter of recommendation from someone distributing patronage for the district! If this is dene in the case of returned soldhrs, what will be the chances of a young fellow who belongs to the opposite political party? What I want from the minister is a plain and clear-cut statement that he will apply the rule of no patronage on the Intercolonial railway; that he will have a notice nailed on the doors of all the shops to the effect that no recommendation will be required from any patronage committee in the case of any applicant seeking a position; that men will be given positions on

their merits, and will not be required to bring a certificate from Mr. McGregor or any body else. If the minister will make ench a statement it will be quite satisfactory. I know he does not intend that, the present conditions should prevail on the road, but the conditions I have described certainly do exist at the present time, and unless some positive action is taken by the minister they will continue to exist.
Mr. J. D. REID:: I think I stated in the House a few days ago that I had informed the general manager of the Intercolonial railway, Mr. Hayes, that in operating the road he could employ any one he saw fit without regard to the political party to which the applicant belonged. I am sorry the party mentioned in that letter should take the stand he does as far as returned soldiers are concerned. The only recommendation any returned soldier wants to get a position on the Intercolonial railway or in any department of this Government is himself. The returned soldier will be given preference over everybody else. With reference to patronage outside of returned soldiers, I gave instructions to Mr. Hayes that he was to employ people on their merits, and those instructions, I suppose, he would circulate among all the officials serving under him who had authority to employ help. I gave him instructions by letter only to-day, for I have received a copy of the letter my hon. friend has read, and I will expect those instructions to be carried out. I do not think the hon. member for New Glasgow, the hon. member for Guysborough or any other member, wants to be bothered with patronage if he can get out of it; that is the way I feel about it, and I have not been bothered with patronage either on the railway or anywhere else since Civil Service reform was brought about. Neither Mr. McGregor nor any other member has recommended me to employ any person on the Intercolonial railway.


John Howard Sinclair: He is certainly doing it, as this letter shows.


John Dowsley Reid: He is assuming that responsibility himself. I do not think I could make my position any plainer than I have done. If the instructions I have given are not carried out we shall be having another session some months hence, and hon. gentlemen can come back and make any complaints they wish.


John Howard Sinclair: Would it not be well to put that letter of instruction on Hansard?
Supplementary estimates, 1918-19, Department of Justice, including Penitentiary Branch -To provide for a clerkship in First Division, Subdivision A, $2,800.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Would the Minister of Justice inform me whether he has appointed the new inspectors for the penitentiaries?


Charles Joseph Doherty: That has not as yet received its sanction, so that it would be a little difficult for me to have made any appointments under it. Moreover, these offices will, I understand, be like all others.
Department of Mines-Contingencies-for expenses of a representation of the Dominion of Canada on the advisory body of the Imperial Mineral Resources Bureau, London, England, $2,000.


Ernest Lapointe: I understand that this bureau is established in accordance with a resolution adopted at the Imperial Conference of last year. I am glad the right hon. the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir George Foster) is in hisi seat and that I may have an opportunity to say what I have to say previous, to his departure for London to attend another conference with certain members of the Government. The main resolution which was adopted last year, and with which I thoroughly agree, concerning the political readjustment of the different parts of the Empire, reads as follows:
The Imperial- War Conference is of opinion that the readjustment of the constitutional relations of the component parts of the Empire is too important and Intricate a sulbject to be dealt with during the war, and that it should form the subject of a special Imperial Conference to be summoned as soon as possibles; after the cessation of hostilities. ;
But I submit that other resolutions adopted at the same conference are somewhat objectionable, though it may seem presumptuous on my part to criticise in any way the statesmen who took part in that conference. What I fear is that certain gentlemen, certain groups and certain organizations, are taking advantage of the war, and of the conditions created by the war, to try to create a situation or condition of accomplished facts in order to promote their ambitions, and that they propose a readjustment according to their own view. It is said that these commissions and bureaus are only created for the purposes of the war. That was said in answer to a question asked the other day of the hon. Minister of the Interior (Mr. Meighen). In this connection, I wish to read to the committee the following resolution which was

adopted at the conference last year in regard to the control of resources:
The control of natural resources available within the Empire, especially those that are of an essential character for necessary national purposes, whether in peace or in war.
In regard to this Imperial Mineral Bureau, for which we are now asked to vote a sum of money, it is said:
That it is desirable to establish in London an Imperial Mineral Resources Bureau upon which should' .be represented Great Britain, the Dominions, India, and other* parts of the Empire.
So this control of what certain gentlemen call " Imperial resources " is advocated for times of peace as well as for times of war. What about this particular Imperial Mineral Resources Bureau? This Imperial Mineral Resources Bureau has been recommended by the Imperial War Conference of last year upon a suggestion by the Dominions Royal Commission, of which the right hon. the Minister of Trade and Commence was a member. I commend to the members of the committee these words which I find in the report of the commission:
It is not difficult, however, to imagine conditions even in times of peace, in which it might become desirable to use the possession of these assets .as an instrument of commercial negotiation. The practical monopoly of potash which Germany possesses has enabled her to exert pressure on other countries in the past, and the controversy between Germany and the United States in 1911 may be mentioned as an example of the influence which the possession of a raw material monopoly gives in commercial negotiations between two Powers. The possession of assets such as the Canadian asbestos and nickle supplies could be used by the British Empire as a powerful means of economic defence.
The commission, of which the right hon. gentleman was a member, recommended that the assets of Canada should be considered as belonging to the Empire as a whole and might be used to advantage by the united governments of all parts of the Empire in the negotiation of commercial treaties with foreign countries. I do not desire that this particular vote should be considered as a ratification of the resolutions, especially of the wording of the resolutions, which were adopted at the Imperial Conference of last year. The resources of Canada are national resources and should be so considered. Nothing should be done of such a nature or character as to prejudice, or interfere in any way with, the great task which will confront the statesmen of the Empire after the conclusion of the war.
IMr. E. Lapointe.]


Rodolphe Lemieux: I had expected that the right hon. the Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden) would before his departure for the old country give us a precis of the objects of his visit to London to attend the next Imperial Conference. He had promised to make a statement to the House but he has not made it. He had also promised to give us the names of those who were to accompany him on his visit. I wish to emphasize the remarks which have been made by my hon. friend from Kamouraska (Mr. Lapointe). I do not object to the presence of the right hon. gentleman and his colleagues at any Imperial Conference provided that at that conference nothing is decided upon without the free and unshackled consent of the people of Canada. Last year's conference was held in London and several important matters were discussed. First, the navy scheme was discussed and the Admiralty was requested to work out, immediately after the conclusion of the war, what it considered the most effective scheme for the naval defence of the Empire. I would not wish to, enter upon a naval debate this evening, but while we do not object to our statesmen discussing with the Imperial authorities the actual needs of the war, the time is not ripe when they should proceed in advance and commit the credit of Canada and of the Dominions to any future naval schemes. Other questions were decided with regard to the military situation, standardization, military training, the question of Imperial resources which has been, brought up by my hon. friend from Kamouraska, and preferential treatment, this last being a very dangerous subject to discuss at the present time, because when the war is over the policy of preferential treatment between the British Empire on the one hand and the rest of the world on the other will create a very complex situation.


Georges Henri Boivin: I fear that the hon. member is out of order.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I am just about to conclude my remarks, Mr. Chairman, and it is just as well to have from the right hon. leader of the House a word or two oil the contemplated visit, because in the last dying hours of Parliament we have had no explanations whatever with respect to this important matter. I do not wish to detain the House at any length, and I will conclude my remarks if the Chairman will afford me the opportunity of merely stating this: We are all proud to belong to the British Empire, but we are all Canadians,

and at the forthcoming Imperial Conference we hope, as Canadians and as free British subjects, that the interests of Canada will not be jeopardized. I, in common with many other Canadians, view with alarm the constant agitation of these round table clubs and Imperial circles, and the reunion of those framers of Imperial constitutions. I remember that Mr. Chamberlain many years ago-


Georges Henri Boivin: I am very sorry, but I will have to ask the hon. member to desist. He is absolutely out of order in discussing these questions on this item I have called a great many of the younger members to order, and I cannot do otherwise with the hon. member for Maison-neuve.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Do not be sorry, Mr. Chairman; I will bow gracefully to your decision, but before doing so I wish to conclude my remarks. Whilst at the Imperial Conference let the representatives of the Canadian Government work in conjunction and in harmony with the British authorities towards the winning of the war but let them not jeopardize the interests of Canada by wild Imperialistic schemes. The world is against imperialism just now.


Mr. MURPHY:: Before the item is carried, we would like some information as to who is to be selected for this mission?


George Green Foster: If my hon. friend will allow the business to go through so that we can get somewhere near the object that we have in view-


Rodolphe Lemieux: Do not obstruct.


George Green Foster: -There wil1 be a few moments in which I wili make some remarks with reference to the mission and the persons who are going.


Charles Murphy: I will just ask the one question.


Martin Burrell: I will answer my hon.
friend. The gentleman who has been selected to represent Canada on the Imperial Resources Board is Dr. Miller, of Toronto, Provincial Geologist of Ontario, whose salary they are paying. Dr. Miller is a very well known geologist, and this amount is intended to meet his expenses.


Charles Murphy: I simply want to have the assurance of my hon. friend that this *gentleman is not a nominee of Lord Beaver-brook.


Martin Burrell: Not at all.


Charles Murphy: Because I have reason
to know that Lord Beaveibrook is very much interested in imperializing the resources of Canada.


Martin Burrell: Dr. Miller was selected after a conference of various representatives of the provincal governments and mining men throughout the country, including the Mining institute.
High Commissioner's Office, London-To provide an additional amount tor three clerks, $300.


Ernest Lapointe: I desire in connection with this vote to offer a suggestion, or present a request to the Government- perhaps I should say that I am only claiming a right. I was in London last year and I happened to go to the High Commissioner's office in company 10 ip.m. with two lawyers from the city of Quebec-Mr. J. E. Chapleau, K.C., and Mr. Simon Lapointe, K.C. One of my companions was curious to learn whether he could be understood in French in the High Commissioner's office. The first official to whom he spoke only shook his head. He then went into the various rooms in the building and tried to get the information he wanted, but nowhere in the High Commissioner's office in London could the French language be understood. Now, Mr. Chairman, the French language is spoken everywhere in London. In the large stores, in all the hotels, in all the public offices, and in the railway stations, notices are posted in both languages. In all the large churches, even of the Church of	England-and	thereare very few Frenchmen who belong to that denomination-French is recognized. In St. Paul's Cathedral and the other churches you will observe notices posted in both French and English. In the city of London the French language occupies the position which it enjoys in all civilized countries and among all educated people. Sir, it is a pity, and I thought it was regrettable, that the only place where French could not be either spoken or understood was the office of the High Commissioner for Canada, a country in which the French language is official. I avail myself of this opportunity to ask that this grievance be redressed, and that at least one of the three clerks who are to 'be appointed as a result of this vote shall be a person able to understand the questions of gentlemen of French extraction who may go to London and who want to be heard and understood in their own language.	,	,


George Green Foster: My hon. friend is a little mistaken, but it is probably the wording of the item which has led to the error. The item does not mean that there are three additional clerks to be appointed to the High Commissioner's office, as my hon. friend will see when he notes that only $300 is being voted. What this means is that a statutory increase is asked for three clerks. However, that does not take away from the other portion of my hon. friend's remarks, and I shall have very great pleasure in giving the substance and the very words of his statement here to-night to the Prime Minister, under whom the High Commissioner's office is placed, and who will take the matter into consideration. I do not think that what my hon. friend has said is unreasonable.


RAILWAYS AND CANALS-CHARGEABLE . TO CAPITAL.
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Canadian Government Railways.
To provide for the purchase of the following Railways at amounts not exceeding those set
out in each case:-
Elgin and Havelock Railway .. .. $30,0 00 00
York and Carleton Railway	 18,000 00
St. Martin's Railway	 60,000 00
Salisbury and Albert Railway .. ..	76,000 00
Moncton and Buctouohe Railway ..	70,000 00
Kent Northern Railway	 60,000 00
Caraquet and Gulf Shore Railway .. 200,000 00
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Mr. iCAHILL:	Judging by this item
there seems to be quite a flock of lame ducks seeking shelter under the protecting wings of the Minister of Railways and Canals. And before he gets too far into the railway game in this country, into the business of acquiring all the railways in sight, he and the Government should take into their very	serious	consideration
the question of the counties which are paying bonuses to railways. The county of Pontiac, which I have the honour to represent, voted a bonus of $200,000 a few years ago to get a railroad. Of that they still have to pay $100,000. They will also have to assume their proportion of the cost of the purchase of these and other railroads; they have to stand the burden of the increased freight rates and passenger fares as well. They understood they were to be benefited by this railway when, they agreed to pay this bonus, but they have no railroad communication whatever, yet they are in a position of paying a bonus, and having to pay ferry charges eveTy time they go across the lake at Pembroke, representing an increased expenditure there of five or six thousand dollars a year to get their produce to market. While the minister is

spending money for railways in lavish amounts, I think something should be done to relieve these people of that bonus. I think other counties than Pontiac have probably paid bonuses to have railroads built. If it is the policy of the Dominion of Canada to take over these railroads, they will, I hope, not demand the payment of at least that proportion of the bonus not yet paid.
John Dowsley Reid: The matter referred to by the hon. member is of course a very large question, and it is the first time I have had any suggestion of this kind. I should be glad if he would put in writing to me the suggestion he has just made in order that I may give it consideration during the recess. It is too large a question to discuss here at this late hour. With respect to the several small lines in the; province of New Brunswick, covered by this item, they have been operating for years at a loss, and it is really now impossible for them to operate on account of the loss they are making. We are now taking them over, and not at a price that any one would feel is exorbitant For instance, in the case of the Elgin and Havelock railway, they have agreed to sell their lines for $30,000. The rails alone on that line, if we were to sell them for scrap, are worth about $80,000.


Charles Murphy: May I ask my hon.
friend who are the directors of that railway, or, at least, who is the president?


John Dowsley Reid: I could not say. There is a Mr. Pearson in Halifax, connected with it. All of these railways we are getting at about one-third the value of the rails. I have a word to say about the last two. For the Kent Northern, I have put in an amount of $60,000. They have not agreed to accept that amount. Neither have the Caraquet and Gulf Shore railway agreed- to accept the amount of $200,000. To those two lines we have made these offers, which are on about the same basis as the others mentioned before. If they do net accept, we will not pay any higher price, and these amounts will not be paid. But I am placing them in the Estimates to give them the opportunity, and to allow us to take over the lines, and thus close out the branch lines which are so unsatisfactory in the province of New Brunswick.


Charles Murphy: Out of deference to the wishes of hon. gentlemen to wind up the business of the session and get home, I do not at this stage intend to enter the protest against these purchases, which it


was my original intention to do. However,
I desire my hon. friend the Minister of Railways and Canals-who refers to a matter relating to the county represented by my hon. friend from Pontiac, . involving, I think $100,000, as so large that he has not time to deal with it, tout who is asking us to vote $518,000 as a comparatively small sum to these other railways!-to- submit to the House at the opening of the next session the full correspondence relating to the purchases of these roads, giving all details as to the ownership and directorates in each case.


John Dowsley Reid: I shall certainly be glad to do that.


Mr. TURGEON:: I could not allow this item to pass without making some remarks.
I have explained my position with regard to the Caraquet and Gulf Shore Railway, and I do not intend to rehearse the argument I put before the minister at that time. However, my chief fear was that the company in possession of this railway would not accept the amount that was offered to them. In the early days of the session, I suggested to the Minister of Public Works that the best way to handle this matter would be to expropriate the road and arbitrate afterwards. We want to ensure a service equal, at least, to the necessities of the community in the county of Gloucester. I suggested at the time to the minister that, although I did not think the proposed amount of $200,000 would be accepted, he might put it in the Estimates. He refused at the time to put it in. On second thought, he has included the amount of $200,000, which is in the Estimates together with the corollary "not exceding those set out in each case." I am afraid these words will render an arrangement as impossible as it was last week when I spoke on this question. The Minister of Public Works especially knows the feeling existing to-day in the county of Gloucester with reference to transportation facilities, which are of vital moment for our important industries which cannot do without an efficient service. I had hoped, before prorogation that I might possibly get either from the Minister of Public Works or the Minister of Railways and Canals a -statement that would dispel the disquiet now prevailing.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: If my hon. friend wants a statement I will give it to him now. We have offered them $200,000 for the railway. They cannot make two hundred thousand cents out of it for the next ten years. We will not arbitrate. We will not pay any more. We think they will take it.
Branch lines-to faring- Lines up to Canadian Government Railways Branch lines standard, $200,000.


Charles Murphy: I desire to ask my hon. friend if this amount is to be expended on the branch lines which were set out in the previous item.


John Dowsley Reid: Exactly, if we get them all. But if we do not get the Caraquet and Gulf Shore or the Kent Northern, we will only need probably a third of the amount.
Railways generally-Contribution towards cost of construction of a railway bridge on the Canada Central Railway, over the Peace River, at or near Peace River Crossing, Alberta, $175,00'0.


Charles Murphy: Who is bearing the rest of that cost?


John Dowsley Reid: The Alberta Government.
To acquire free and clear of all charges, en-cumbranoes or claims, at any public sale, the Quebec and Saguenay railway, extending from its junction with the Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix railway to Nairn Palls, Que., about 62.3 miles, at a price not exceeding $3,489,313.53, $3,489,313.53.


John Dowsley Reid: I desire to add to the end of this item the words "exclusive of any sums paid out of amounts voted by Parliament in 1916 and 1917." That is so that there may be no misunderstanding.


John Gillanders Turriff: What is the total amount that has been paid out?


John Dowsley Reid: About $1,500,000, in addition to this.


Frank S. Cahill: Will the minister explain this item a little more fully?


John Dowsley Reid: Two years ago an Act was passed authorizing the purchase of this railway, with two others, the Quebec and Saguenay, and the Lotbiniere and Megantic. We are now taking only the Quebec and Saguenay. I have before me the judgment of Judge Cassels, in which the amount of the award is stated as $2,892,249.87. Then there are two years' payments during construction on monthly 'balances, $228,519.63, and interest from July 1, 1916, up to the present time, $373,854.84.


John Howard Sinclair: The minister is not increasinig the judgment of the Exchequer Court?


John Dowsley Reid: No.


Frank S. Cahill: Is this to be a final payment? Shall we have title to the property when this payment is made?


John Dowsley Reid: We cannot pay one dollar of this until they hand us the deeds and the title, free from all encumbrances.
Harbours and rivers-Quebec harbour-river St. Charles-improvements to navigation-further amount required'-revote, $386,000'.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I understood that the works on the river St. Charles had been dropped.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: This is not for the continuation of that work. The work was sitopped nearly a year and and the contractors are contending that because of the closing down of their works, a portion of their plant should be taken over and certain amounts paid them by way of damages. I do not admit for a moment that we are liable for those claims, but an adjustment is to take place. There is also the question of the amount that we thought might possibly be required in the adjustment of the case referred to by my hon. friend this afternoon.


Rodolphe Lemieux: There is provision for that adjustment, then?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes. This amount is to take care of every possible contingency. No work will go on at the river St. Charles until the financial condition of tne coon-try is different, and no money will be paid out of this vote until the matter is thoroughly investigated.


John Howard Sinclair: I see that there ts an item here for St. John harbour. I saw a report in the press the other day that a contract in this connection had been let for $7,000,000.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is not true.


John Howard Sinclair: What is this expenditure in St. John harbour?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It is to carry on a contract that has been running for some years -the Norton, Griffiths contract.


Charles Murphy: Has it not expired?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No, the contract has been assigned to the St. John Dry Dock and Shipbuilding Company, a new company, which took over all the rights and works of the old contractors. They have filed their specifications for a dry dock of the first class, similar to the new dry dock at Lauzanne. They hope to be able to make arrangements to commence operations soon, and this is to carry out some necessary harbour works without which the dry dock could not be operated.


Charles Murphy: Who are the gentlemen
connected with the new company?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I can only say this: it is really the Canadian Dredging Company of Coll'ingwood, of which Mr. Playfair is president.


William Stevens Fielding: This dry dock comes under the Dry Dock Subsidies Act?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes.


William Stevens Fielding: And is not included in this vote?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No. They have made application for a subsidy under the Dry Dock Subsidies Act.


Charles Murphy: How does this next item, Toronto harbour improvements, find its way into the Estimates?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: This amount is necessary to finish up work that is now partly constructed. So far as we can see, this is the total amount that will be necessary until new financial arrangements are made.


Charles Murphy: The vote does not relate to new work?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No. Crib work has been built up to within two or three feet of the top of the water, and this is to put the top on the crib work and keep it from being lost. About $200,000 is invested in the cribs, and the engineers report that unless something is done it will all be lost.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: What is the public utility of this work when it is finished?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Very little, in my judgment.


Rodolphe Lemieux: The minister is very frank.
Harbours and rivers-Nova Scotia-generally -construction and repairs, $515,000;


Mr. J. C. DOUGLAS:: Has provision been made for repairs to Glace Bay harbour? Has the minister decided upon the policy of taking over that harbour and making it a public harbour? At present this harbour is owned by the Dominion Coal company and representations have been made that it should be taken over by the Government. I understand the minister has had the matter up. Has he come to any decision?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: This amount of $55,000 has been asked for the carrying out of repairs generally in the province of Nova Scotia. I have received an enormous num-


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ber of applications from the different engineers stating that wharves and breakwaters have been injured by ice and severe storms. In fact, the reports were so much alike in each case that I thought it was best to have a general appropriation and to make an investigation, and I propose to have a pretty thorough investigation before the money is expended. I never knew until a few days ago that the harbour of Glace Bay was not owned by the public. I understand it is, and has been for some years, owned by the Nova Scotia Steel Company. There have been some negotiations towards handing it over to the department. I am not in a position to say what the result will be, but I can only state that, in my judgment, the harbouT of as important a town or city as Glace Bay should be public property, and, therefore, if proper arrangements can be made, it would not only be proper, but in the public interest of the commercial life of .that district, that it should be made a public harbour. I cannot say that any amount of this $55,000 is intended for that purpose. The $55,000 is left in a general way, and will be used as we think best for the repairing of wharves and breakwaters in Nova Scotia.
Charles Murphy: After investigation?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: After investigation.


William Stevens Fielding: The appropriation being a general one, we are disposed to ask what is contemplated by it. I accept, however, the assurance of the minister that he is going to make an investigation. That is satisfactory. I had occasion to bring to the notice of the minister some urgent matters of repair in my constituency, and if he will investigate them with the help of his engineers, I shall be satisfied.


Mr. McKBNZIE:: Hon. members from Nova Scotia who are supporting the Government are making a very poor job. New Brunswick is getting $678,000, and the exMinister of Finance (Mr. Fielding) an able representative-
Mr. BAiLLANTYNE: Nova Scotia got the large plate mill.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: There is such a thing as I have read in the scriptures: "You must needs go through Samaria."


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Twenty-five or thirty million dollars of public moneys are being spent in the province of Nova Scotia this year.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Mr. Chairman-


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Carried.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: You are up against the wrong chicken if you think you are going to make me sit down. I shall be very brief if you will let me alone; if you are not, it will be daylight. I simply want to tell my hon. friends from Nova Scotia supporting the Government that they made a v ery poor job of this. They get a miserabe $55,000, and they are not going to get it in a particular place; it is put between Heaven and earth where it will not help anybody. The good little province of New Brunswick, however, with an active solid minister, gets $667,000. That is what I remind the supporters of the Government of, and I want to tell the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, if he is throwing the plate mill up to us, he had to go where the substance of the matter was and get it there.


Mr. BUTTS:: Is it not true that this harbour of which the minister has spoken was given away from this country to the Dominion Coal Company without a cent of consideration?
Mr. BUREAU- By whom?


Robert Hamilton Butts: By the former Liberal Government.
(Mr. McKENZIE: Glace Bay river was a small brook, and the late Hon. David Mac-Keen, who at one time had a seat in this House, owned the old Caledonia mines. That enterprising gentleman and his company dug out that little river and made a little bit of a harbour for themselves' in connection with the mines. They claimed it was their own because they opened the mouth of the river. About twelve years ago an arrangement was made with this Government.


Robert Hamilton Butts: Not with this Government.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: only man in that part of the world who does not.
Harbours and rivers-Prince Edward Island_
Mink river, repairs to wharf, $1,500.
Mr. MelSAAC: I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works concerning two matters. One is the boat harbour at North Lake and the other the dredging of the boat harbour at Newfrage. As the minister understands, there is now at North Lake a boat harbour where the boats can come in and- out at high water; but in consequence of the shifting of the sand, it is likely to become shallower and fill up. Further than that, the provincial Government finds it necessary to build a bridge across there, and it would be out of reason for them to do so unless something was done by the Federal Government to make the harbour substantial. This is a matter of extreme importance to a very large number of fishermen.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: My hon. friend has
brought this matter before one a number of times during the last three months. I have made inquiries, and I find a report from the engineer that it would require 6ome $15,000 or $30,000 to do this work. I have information from a gentleman in whom I have the very greatest confidence that about $2,000 will do it. I am going to investigate the matter. There is a general vote for the Maritime Provinces, and if the work can be done for a reasonable sum of money, I may be able to arrange to do it out of the general fund. I shall, however, have the matter thoroughly investigated and do whatever is proper.
Dredging-Ontario and Quebec, further amount required, $70,000;


Joseph Read: Has the Minister of Railways made arrangements to dredge the approaches to Gape Tormentine and Cape Traverse.


John Dowsley Reid: The chief engineer
is looking after the matter now. I expect to be down in that locality within the next few weeks and I shall take the matter up.
Mines and Geological Survey-For experimental work relating to briquetting of lignite coal, $300,000.	8
Grant for investigation of conditions affecting smelting of lead-zinc ores, $3,000


Charles Murphy: Who is to carry on this experimental work in connection with lignite?	[DOT]


Martin Burrell: It is to be carried on by an advisory board of three, appointed 
under an arrangement between this Government and the governments of Manitoba and Saskatchewan.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Is this one of the results of the investigations made by the Advisory Council of Industrial and Scientific Research?


Martin Burrell: Yes.
Labour-Administration Employment Offices Co-ordination Act, $15,000.


Rodolphe Lemieux: May I ask the Minister of Labour what are the latest developments in connection with the tVinnipeg strike. I see that Premier Norris of Manitoba is in Ottawa to-day. Has he had 'an interview with the minister in reference to the strike?


Mr. GROTHERS:: I have not seen the Prime Minister of Manitoba in connection with this matter.


Rodolphe Lemieux: He is here.


Thomas Wilson Crothers: Very well, but I have not seen him. I received two telegrams from Winnipeg this afternoon, the latter indicating that the whole thing will be adjusted inside of twenty-four hours.


Francis Henry Keefer: Has the minister an officer in British Columbia who could investi gate the question of wages paid to the fishermen to see whether they are reasonable? The situation is this. We are encouraging people to eat fish, and halibut come largely from the Pacific coast. In 1915 the men were all found in nets, food and everything else and the price was $1.25 per hundred pounds; in 1916 the price rose, in 1917 it rose to $2.12, and now it is $3. This cannot be due to the high cost of living or anything of that kind because the men, as I have said, are found in food and everything else. It is a matter that ought to be looked into because it affects the price of fish very much. I am told that a good -many of these fishermen are of alien race and not in sympathy with the Food Administration and they are making things difficult in this way. I think it. would be of great assistance if the minister would appoint an officer to look into this matter.


Thomas Wilson Crothers: If my hon. friend would send me a memo, setting forth the particulars of the complaint-


Francis Henry Keefer: The complaint is that
there has been an increase of 140 per cent in the price the men are getting for their fish.


Thomas Wilson Crothers: We all know that
wages have been increasing in the last few years, as well as everything else. I am not prepared to state that wages have advanced as rapidly as some other things. However, if my hon. friend will send me a memo. I will have our agent on the Pacific coast look into the matter, but I do not expect to find that the fishermen are being paid too high wages.


Mr. HARRISON:: Representations have been made by officials of the Trade Unions that a wrong impression has been created by the statement made by the hon. member for South Vancouver on April 22, to the effect that one-third of the membership of the unions are alien enemies or aliens of neutral countries. I have been informed on good authority that this is wrong, that not over ten per cent of the membership are alien enemies or aliens of neutral countries The unions pride themselves on their loyalty during this struggle, and resent the implication that any material fraction if membership could influence action inimical to the best interests of the Empire. They also claim that by reason of their association with aliens, enemy and otherwise, in the unions and at work, they are in a peculiarly fortunate position to detect any unfriendly disposition on the part of any of said aliens and to take such action in consequence as will ensure the greatest measure of safety to the Empire. The unions are anxious that nothing should be said that would lead to misunderstanding and consequent friction, and express the hope that the hon. member from South Vancouver had only the best interest of all concerned in mind when he made the statement, and was in not particular antagonistic to the unions which have aided so materially in the present crisis. With regard to the present difficulties at Winnipeg I must say it is deplorable that conditions of this kind should arise at the present time. I do not know whether every possible means have been tried by the men to effect a settlement, but if not I can assure the House that they are not working in accord with the principles of organized labour as I know it.
Miscellaneous - Provisional allowance (except in the case of light-house keepers') for married men and for widowers and widows, with children, In the Outside Service, who are employed permanently and are giving their entire time to the public service, such allowance to he made on the following basis:
(a) To each such person in receipt of a salary at the rate of $1,200 per annum or less, an allowance of $150 less any permanent increase in salary given to such person since
January 1st, 1917, provided however the total salary and allowance shall not in any case exceed $1,300 ;
(b) To each such person in receipt of a salary at the rate of more that) $1,200 but not more than $1,550 per annum, an allowance of $100, less any permanent increase in salary given to such person since January 1st, 1917, provided1, however, the total salary and allowance shall not in any case exceed $1,000. $3,000,000.00.


Donald Sutherland: I should like to
know whether this expenditure is going to end here. This increase of $3,000,000, which I presume is one of the first results ot the new Civil Service Act, is a considerable item to .pass without discussion, representing an increase unparalleled in this House. We were discussing a little while ago the question of providing an increase for postmasters and rural mail carriers, who, if the 'comparison is permissible, are giving their time for one-half the amount these civil servants receive. I want to point out that this is one of the effects, during war time too, of the Bill that was passed at this session of the House, and without any very great demand, I consider, from the people of Ontario, at all events.
Mi^. A. K. MACLEAN: My hon. friend is certainly mistaken in attributing this vote to the .passing of the Civil Service Act, as there is no connection between the two. Very many representations have been made to the Government for a war bonus to the Outside Service, limited to those who were devoting their whole time to the public service and were in receipt of smaller salaries.
I desire to amend the phraseology of the vote by inserting the following words in the first paragraph, after the word " Service," in the third line:
And also when deemed advisable by the Governor in Council for unmarried persons in the outside service with dependents and for married .persons and unmarried persons with dependents of the inside service of the rank of messengers, packers and sorters, and also to strike out the words "January 1, 1917" and substitute the words "April 1, 1918" in sub clauses A and 11.


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Amendment agreed to.
Francis Henry Keefer: Are the Dominion police included in this item?


Charles Joseph Doherty: No.


Francis Henry Keefer: Should they not be taken into consideration?


Charles Joseph Doherty: As I explained in
answer to a question when the Dominion Police Estimates were up, we are proposing to give the Dominion police an increase in their pay.


John Howard Sinclair: Why are lighthouse keepers not included?


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: An increase was provided for them under item 409 of the Estimates we are now considering.
Amount to pay claims for clothing and articles lost in destruction by fire in the Parliament Buildings, $3,500*.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Would the Government give the details of this item? I understand that last year we had a return tabled showing the extravagant claims made by some people. I would like to have full information from the Government on this subject.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: This is merely a vote to cover what we anticipate we will have to pay.


Rodolphe Lemieux: We want the details showing what you are going to do, because there were fictitious claims filed last year. The Government has refused for two years, through the Auditor General first and then through, I am glad to say, the very able and faithful official who preceded the present Serjeant-at-Arms, the late Lieut.-Col. Smith, who put his veto on these claims, to accede to the demands which were made and which were nothing less than scandalous. I would like to have all the details about this expenditure.


Jacques Bureau: Does this item include any articles except those which were lost by employees at the time of the fire?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Generally speaking, although I cannot say absolutely that no person who was* not an employee may not possibly receive something. We received a large number of claims which my hon. friend properly enough has described as' extravagant. I do not know that it was necessary to have the intervention of any officials of the Government to prevent their being paid. The matter has been looked into by a committee which was* appointed for that purpose, and* having arrived at the specified amount which people* ought to receive, we determined to ask for this vote which, upon its face, is not extravagant, to meet a number of small claims, The great bulk of them were from employees in and* around the buildings, people who could ill afford to suffer the loss* that was serious, though the amounts in each case are not large. I do not recall at the moment any considerable sum that would be paid to any individual.
Resolution agreedi to on division.

Railways am! canals-chargeaJble to collection of revenue-Canadian Government Railways-working expenses, $37,0*(M),000.
iMr. MURPHY: What is that item for?


John Dowsley Reid: That is for the operation of the Government railways. Last year we had an item of* $25,000,000. We have juet passed an item of $8,500,000 in the Supplementary Estimates, making between $33,000,000 and $.34,000,000 that it cost last year to operate the Government railways. This year we estimate it will take about $37,000,000, but, of course*, the earnings are deposited to the credit of the Receiver General and will offset that amount. This is merely a bookkeeping entry. Earlier in the session I introduced a Bill to take the place of this item, but I dropped the Bill later on.


Charles Murphy: Does this cover any actual or estimated loss on operation?


John Dowsley Reid: I estimate there will probably be a lossi of $4,000,000 or $5,000,000 next year and that is included.


John Howard Sinclair: We have already voted $8,500,000 for this purpose.


John Dowsley Reid: That was for last year. POST OFFICE-OUTSIDE SERVICE.
To provide for the salaries of the Postmaster and staff of the following Post Offices, the salaries may he readjusted and appointments made notwithstanding anything in that portion of the Civil Service Act affecting the Outside Postal Service, or the Post Office Act-Sydney Truro, Amherst, Moncton, St. Hyaointhe, Three Rivers, Cornwall, Brockville, Smith's Falls, Belleville, Lindsay, Niagara Falls, St. Catharines, Woodstock, St. Thomas, Chatham, Sarnia, Collingwood, Owen* Sound, North Bay, Sault Ste. Marie, Port Arthur, Fort William! Portage la Prairie, Prince Albert, Strathcona! Lethbridge, Medflcin-e Hat, Nanaimo and Prince Rupert, $310,0 dO*. 00*.


John Howard Sinclair: Will the minister explain on what principle these selections were made?


Charles Joseph Doherty: This item, while it figures here, does not imply our obtaining any additional money. It is inserted to effect the abolition of what were called semi-staff offices and to place them cn a parity with the offices where we directly pay the salaries. Though in the semi-stafi offices fixed salaries were paid, those salaries were paid out of the revenue of the post office. The object of this is that while we take a vote fot $310,000, the entire revenue of these post offices will now come into the general office. This is really not adding a cent to the expenditure of the

Post Office Department, but it is albolishing a system which has given rise to a good deal of complaint and recriminatiou and has not proved of material advantage
Mr. CAiRVELL: Is that Woodstock, Ont., or Woodstock, N.B.?


Charles Joseph Doherty: It just depends on vliich one of them is a semi-staff office.


John Howard Sinclair: The officials in some towns are receiving an
11 p.m. increase and the officials in other towns are not receiving any. How did the minister select the towns mentioned in this list and leave out other towns ?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Nobody is being given an increase. But all these towns have semi-staff offices, that is to say, offices where the revenue of the office is taken and the salaries paid out of it.


John Howard Sinclair: All the towns
that have semi-staff offices are included in this list?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Yes, it is to get rid
of the distinction between the regular offices and what are called the semi-staff offices.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Has my hon. friend
calculated whether the revenue of these semi-staff offices will make up for the amount voted?
'Mr. DOHERTY: I am assured that they do. They necessarily must because the salaries paid in the past are not being increased, and those salaries were paid out of the revenue.
Progress reported.



SUPPLY-CONCURRENCE.

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The House proceeded to consider resolutions reported from Committee of Supply.
Resolution concurred in.

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On motion of Mr. A. K. Maclean, the House went into Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. Bodvin in the Chair.

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Mr. Speaker read a communication from the Governor General's secretary, announcing that His Excellency would proceed to the Senate Chamber this evening at half past eleven o'clock for the purpose of proroguing the present session of Parliament.

Mr. HUGH CLARK (Bruce North):: moved:
That the recommendations contained in the third report of the Joint Committee on Printing, presented to the House this day, be concurred in.
He said: The House is asked to concur in two recommendations made by the committee. One is for the discontinuance of the monthly statement of Canadian exports and imports which have been published, I believe, for the last eighteen years. At this session we passed an Act to establish a bureau of statistics which will compile and publish the statement referred to, and we are endeavouring to avoid duplication and overlapping. The other recommendation is that the report of the editorial committee concerning a reduction in the grade and weight of paper used in Government publications be adopted. I may add that the editorial committee, of which Mr. Fred Cook is chairman, has done very valuable work and has saved the country thousands of dollars in the last year.


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Motion agreed to.

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MOTION THAT THE REPORT OF THE SPEC I AH COMMITTEE ON PENSIONS - v	BE COMMENDED TO THE

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fRt, Hon. Sir GEORGE FOSTER (Minister of Trade and Commerce) moved:
That the recommendations contained In the third report of the Special Committee appointed on the 10th day of April, 1918 to consider and report -upon the Pension Board, the pension regulations and the sufficiency or otherwise of the relief afforded thereunder, the pension lists in force in Canada for disabled and other soldiers and the dependents of those hilled while on active service, and any other matters relating thereto or connected therewith, be commended to the consideration of the Government.
Motion agreed to.

Mr. R. C. HENDERS (Macdonald) moved:: _ That 500 copies in English, and 250 copies in French, of the first and second reports of the Select Standing Committee on Agriculture and1 Colonization be printed in pamphlet form forwith, and that rule 74 be suspended in relation thereto.
Motion agreed t-o.



THE FARMERS' DELEGATION.


Thomas Vien: Mr. Speaker, I have an understanding with the right hon. leader of the Government that I shall be given opportunity to direct the attention of the House for a few moments to a matter which I deem to be of considerable importance. I shall not take up much of the time of the House; I have not much time to take up, anyway. If an agreement had not been made for prorogation this evening, a much longer debate would have taken place on this matter. However, I do not wish to delay the business of the House, as our friends on this side do not desire to delay prorogation unduly beyond the time agreed upon.
On 14th May a delegation of farmers some
4,000	strong, came to Ottawa from all parts of Canada, representing, I might say, not only the districts from which they came, hut the whole rural population of Canada.
Some hon. MEMBERS : No.


Thomas Vien: At least, large sections of the rural population of Canada. Hon. gentle-

men who say "No" may find that the population represented by these delegates is a larger one than they imagine. These delegates embodied in a report the conclusions of their deliberations, a copy of which they sent to the Prime Minister. They also addressed to you, Mr, Speaker, a communi-eafi'-n which passed almost unnoticed. Suosequently a further communication was addressed to His Excellency the Governor General. I ask the leave of the House to lay this correspondence on the Table and to have it embodied in Hansard without my reading it.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: A great deal of this correspondence came to my hand. It attempts to put in the form of a letter what is, in effect, a petition which, in that form, would be precluded from presentation to. the House.


Thomas Vien: Then I shall read the documents. The following is the communication to the Governor General:
His Excellency,
The Duke of Devonshire,
Governor General of Canada,
Ottawa, Can.
Tour Excellency:-
The undersigned, in exercising the immemorial privilege of British subjects, are confident that Your Excellency will honour the ancient practice of the highest authority in the realm of hearing sympathetically the representations of the citizens upon matters affecting the good government of Canada.
We are encouraged to transmit to you certain information by the knowledge that those who have preceded you as a representative of the Crown in the working of responsible Government in Canada, have -been swift to regard any endeavours of departure from the constitutional usages by which the freedom of Parliament and of the individual citizen has been established.
Since Your Excellency's arrival among us. we have had every reason to he assured that Your Excellency is imbued with the conciliatory far-seeing and statesmanlike spirit which animated Lord Elgin, to whom Canada and the Empire will ever be indebted for a wise and courageous guidance within the powers confided to him.
We believe, therefore, that you will welcome this expression of our trust during the period of unprecedented difficulty through which the Dominion of Canada is passing.
It is in harmony with Lord Elgin's reply to an address from the County of Glengarry, dealing with the unrest at that time, regarding the administration of public affairs, that we submit for Your Excellency's consideration the attached correspondence with the Speaker of the House of Commons. Perhaps Your Excellency will allow us to repeat what Lord Elgin said to the men of Glengarry, in reply to their address; "I recognize in it evidence of that vigorous understanding which enables men of the stock to which you belong, to prize, as they ought to be prized, the blessings of well-ordered freedom, and of that keen sense of

principle which prompts them to recoil from no sacrifice which duty enjoins."
The letter goes on to make further representations to His Excellen-cy, and attached to it is the correspondence which was subsequently transferred by His Excellency to the Prime Minister. I put a question to the Prime Minister with regard to this matter and was informed by him that he would later -make a declaration to the House on the subject.
This announcement by the Prime Minister has not come as yet. I might now read the correspondence which was attached to this letter sent to His Excellency the Governor General:
Windsor Hotel, Ottawa,
May 15 th, 1918.
Hon. E. N. Rhodes,
Speaker of the House of Commons.
Sir,-
The delegation of farmers from Ontario, Quebec and other provinces which held several conferences here yesterday charged us to transmit certain information to you with the respectful request that you will convey it to the House of Commons.
The conference yesterday afternoon composed of several thousand farmers decided unanimously to present itself at the House in the evening, with the request that two of its members he heard at the bar, in pursuance of the resolution duly adopted in the morning and forwarded to you. The Prime Minister, who was informed of this intention, referred us to the acting leader of the House, the Hon. Mr. Sifton. The request proffered while the delegation was in and about the precincts of Parliament was refused by the Hon. Mr. Sifton on behalf of the Government. The delegation therefore, in a most orderly manner, returned to its meeting place, where it unanimously endorsed the address which its representatives hal intended reading to the House, and directed us to forward it to you.
It is as follows:-
To the Honourable the Speaker,
and Members of the House of Commons, of Canada, in Parliament assembled.
Mr. Speaker and Gentlemen
of the House of Commons:-
On behalf of thousands of Ontario farmers assembled in this city to-day, we warmly thank the House for the proof it has given that it desires to keep in sympathetic touch with the citizens from whom it derives its dignity and authority. We believe we express the sentiments of all thoughtful citizens when we say that this departure in Canadian Parliamentary practice, following so closely upon the speech to this House and the Senate, of the President of the American Federation of Labour, is an agreeable recognition of the new relationships which the war is producing, as between those who govern and those who are governed by consent.
That portion of Canadian labour which is so vital to the prosecution of the war, and which we represent, appreciates' to the full the evidence of loyalty which the House of Commons gave in August, 1914, to the democracies of the Western Hemisphere in its instant support of the motherland in her hour of need. We
trust that the spontaneous action then taken will be justified by a continuation of those habits of freedom which it has long been the peculiar privilege of Canadians to maintain. These privileges are all the more appreciated in view of the long struggle for responsible government which was undertaken against the opposition of those who exercised arbitrary authority, and who feared the free expression of opinion, in the press and by the spoken word.
We are sure the House will permit us to say also, that the citizens generally have observed with gratitude that the House has shown a larger independence of thought and speech than has been customary under the system of partisan Government. We should fail in the duty of being candid which is cast upon us by the readiness of the House to hear us, if we did not express our concern regarding another tendency that has been observed in the House where the public will is believed to be supreme.
The increasing frankness of discussion so noticeable here, has been accompanied by a tendency to silence on the part of members of the Cabinet, who in reality, are, as one of four distinguished members has said "only a committee of this House."
The unrest in the country which has brought about the unexampled spectacle of thousands of farmers leaving the important work of planting their crops, to come to the capital to remonstrate with the Government, is known to every member of the House of Commons. We beg leave to intimate that this unrest is not related merely to the special matter which was discussed with the Premier and members of his cabinet to-day. We cannot disguise from the House an apprehension that the liberties, of which the popularly elected branch of the Legislature is the bulwark, may be dangerously curtailed during the period that the House is not sitting. In proof that this dread is not illusory, we would venture to inform the House that, in common with our fellow citizens, here and throughout the country, we have observed certain innovations, the continuation of which we believe would be fraught with serious results to the confidence which the subjects of His Majesty have hitherto reposed in the working of that responsible government for whose unimpaired preservation forty thousand Canadian soldiers have laid down their lives.
Will the House permit us to speak more plainly what is in our minds? We have never believed that the conditions produced by the war demanded flagrant departures from the honoured processes of law enjoined by the constitution while Parliament is in session or is near assembling. We believe that reliance upon Parliament, instead of upon arbitrary authority, most effectively honours the guarantees of freedom which axe embedded! in the constitution. One considerable departure from sound practice may be accepted, but repetitions of it may be exceedingly dangerous, especially under such circumstances as now beset the State.
We, therefore, beg leave to remind the House of several instances in which, it seems to us, the liberties of the people and of their repre-. sentatives have not been given sufficient consideration.	.
Twelve days before the meeting of Parliament in January, 1916, the authorized Canadian Army was doubled from 2'50,000 to 500,000 men. No British Army had ever been doubled without recourse to Parliament. That it was done in Canada caused students of British

history to enquire whether anything had oc-cured to warrant such a disregard of Parliament. Though this House of Commons has inherited some of the consequences of such an innovation, we desire to coniine our respectful remonstrances to more recent events.
During the session there were riots in the city of ^ Quebec. The House desired to discuss the serious situation thus created, and was entitled to declare what measures might be taken to prevent a renewal of such unhappy occurrences. It did not escape the notice of the country that immediately before the House proceeded to discharge its duty, there was put upon the table a completed law, in the form of an Order in Council, which arbitrarily took out of its control the very question which the House of Commons was about to discuss.
Later there were other departures from the traditional practice of British law by equally astonishing proceedings. An Order in Council was given to the House as a matter of information providing for the registration of the human power of the country, and setting up an entirely new criminal code in connection therewith, by creating several methods of punishment hitherto unknown to Canadian civilization. Surely such departure should not have been attempted in such a manner. Punishments created without the assent of Parliament naturally tend to provoke hostility. We feel we are performing a national duty in respectfully calling attention to such conditions.
The Order in council endorsed by Both Houses on April 18th virtually sweeps away the Military Service Act. The resentment It has created is known to this House, members of which are known to regret that the elements of the constitution were ignored in this proceeding; and that the method of presenting a practically executed decree, while withholding disclosure of the facts on which it may be based, cannot easily be justified to the constituents of a newly elected Parliament.	[DOT]
The curtailment of the liberty of written and spoken speech contained in the Order in Council given to the public on April 16 has especial concern to all who are aware of the history of free discussion in Canada and other parts of the British Empire. We are sure we need not beg the House to examine Its provisions in order to appreciate how a doctrine of the essential infallibility of the Government may be forced upon a free people on pain of a fine of five thousand dollars and five years' imprisonment. The House, to our extreme regret, has been faced with a notification of the intended curtailment of the privilege of a member of Parliament to declare his mind, and the right of his constituents to know what he has uttered. That this unique warning to a freely elected British assembly was halted for several weeks on the Order Paper, we venture respectfully to attribute to you, Mr. Speaker, as the appointed guardian of the liberties of the House and also of the people. It has been noted that the Prime Minister, in withdrawing the measure, viewed with so much apprehension from outside the House, announced that it is likely to be reintroduced next session.
Perhaps the House may not be offended to learn that cognizance has also been taken of a notice issued to it within the last week to the effect that It must curtail Its discussion of vital national affairs, and withdraw from its precincts within a few days, or be summoned hither during the hottest and most Inconvenient month of the year. That such a direction

should be issued without apparent recourse to fhe judgment of the House causes reflective citizens to wonder what has happened to the freedom Canadian institutions have hitherto enjoyed.
Mr Speaker, and gentlemen of the House of Commons, the disquiet of the country of which we are the humble and inadequate exponents and which demonstrates sadly the increasing dangers to our national unity, which, if we lose it, we shall have lost all indeed, cannot be allayed by a persistence in the courses we have so imperfectly sketched.
Will the House permit us, with much deference, but much earnestness to repeat the reminder of one of its members that the Government is a Committe of this House vested with the executive powers of Parliament. The responsibility of government, therefore, is ultimately upon this House. Nothing appears to have been done to make the position of members of Parliament, with regard to the carrying out of the war policy, correspond to the status which they enjoyed before the practice crept in of making them subservient to those whom they created and whom they might destroy.
In this prolonged crisis of the national fate the hour has arrived to re-establish the inherent freedom of the House of Commons. We are certain that in that restoration the people of Canada will sustain you, and that the sacrifices of war will ultimately be justified and honoured in the blessings and progress of peace.
May we inform you that we remain at the Windsor Hotel, where we shall be happy to receive whatever answer the House may return to this address.
We are, Mr. Speaker,
Yours very sincerely,
I beg to remind the Government, also, of the conclusions of the first report of the Select Standing iCommittee on Agriculture, which has just been adopted by the House. For three weeks the report of the committee lay on the table and no motion was made to have it concurred in by the House. The conclusions of that report are most important and read:
(a)	That actual farmers who have been called up shall be given leave of absence and
(b) That no actual farmers be required to report until all others in the class affected by the Order in Council of 20th April, 1918 have been put in service ; such leave of absence and delay In reporting to be conditional upon their actual employment In farming.
The other day, when the estimates of the Department of Agriculture were being discussed in committee, I inquired from the Minister of Agriculture what was the policy of the Government with regard to the exemption of farmers. The minister replied that I surely could not expect him to make a declaration of policy, but should put my question to the leader of the Government. I inquired from the Prime Minister as to the change of policy, if any, that was contemplated, and drew his attention to the fact that though the .Minister of Militia and Defence had told the House that the

boys on -the farm would not be called before the city boys and that instructions to that effect had been sent to the registrars for their guidance in- sending out notices, those instructions were not being followed. The Prime Minister told me he would bring the matter to the attention of the Minister of Militia and Defence. The boys on the farms are being called up as a matter of fact. Some time ago the Deputy Minister of Agriculture wired to Mr. J. J. Morrison, Secretary-Treasurer of the United Farmers of Ontario, Toronto, as follows:
Tour wire 18th to Minister re leave of absence lor farmers. Communicated with Mr. Stone-house, Agricultural representative Toronto, who replies officer commanding district states no leave being refused to farmers. Please see Stonehouse and furnish him with any specific cases you have. After seeing him, if still reason for complaint, kindly communicate with me.
Deputy Minister of Agriculture, Ottawa.
I wish to bring the attention of this House to one fact of which I am myself a witness. There is a conflict of authority between the representative of the Minister of Agriculture on the Leave of Absence Boards and the officers who compose these boards. The boards are composed of three or four officers who sit in a committee, and the representative of the Minister of Agriculture is there simply in an advisory capacity. I have seen oases in Quebec where I have myself acted as counsel for the farmers who were claiming exemption under the Leave of Absence regulation, and on three or four different occasions Hon. Mr. Garneau, the representative of the Minister of Agriculture on the Leave of Absence Board has recommended that leave of absence be granted, but leave was not granted. I am told by Mr. Morrison, the secretary of the United Farmers of Ontario, that yesterday Mr. Stonehouse, the representative of the Minister of Agriculture in Toronto, advised him that ha was powerless to obtain leave of absence for the farmers who were claiming it before the Leave of Absence Board. There is therefore a conflict of authority, igurely if the Government are in earnest when they state to this House and the country that the boys on the farm will not be called up until after the city boys have been called, means can be found of sending sufficiently plain instructions to the registrars [DOT] to that effect. I have talked this matter over with some of the officials of the Department of Militia and Defence, and they inform me that the whole thing is in the hands of the Minister of Justice, who has
charge of the administration of the law. Surely there should be some understanding between the Minister of Militia and Defence, the Minister of Agriculture, and the Minister of Justice, as to the instructions that shall be sent to the registrars and the steps which shall be taken to see'that such instructions are carried out.
I have been given leave by the right hon. leader of the Government to ask him a question, and this is the question I am going to put: Has the Government adopted any policy to provide for cases of extreme hardship and for cases in which production would surely be diminished? For instance, the case of the farmer's son who is the only one left to work the farm, or where the son is the sole support of incapacitated parents. I see by to-night's Star that an announcement on this question was supposed to be made to the House. I would ask the acting leader of the Government to make a plain statement on this matter, which is causing a great deal of unrest in the country.


George Green Foster: The Government has given and is still giving the most careful and earnest consideration possible to cases of extreme hardship that may occur in the working out of the Military Service Act and the Order in Council which has been passed more recently. These cases of hardship will be considered not only as they affect farmers but others as well. There will be no distinction made as to classes in which similar cases, or equal cases, of extreme hardship occur. In reference to those cases, an Order in Council has been considered and has been passed, and will be issued to the public, accompanied by regulations which are now receiving the consideration of the Government. These will be framed and published simultaneously with the gist or essence or full text of the Order in Council.


Rodolphe Lemieux: When?


George Green Foster: I cannot say to my hon. friend the exact time, but no delay will occur beyond what is absolutely necessary to come to considered conclusions as to the regulations which are to be made public. Publicity will be given just as soon as these regulations are complete. I should think that within twenty-four hours or thereabouts these will be completed and issued. I do not know that my statement could go beyond the words which I have just now addressed to the House.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Will it affect only
farmers?


George Green Foster: I have already , said that cases of extreme hardship will hot be restricted to any one class. Cases of extreme hardship will be considered, no matter under what class the person who claims, or suffers, the hardship may be included.



SECRET SESSION OF PARLIAMENT-ALLEGED DISCLOSURE OF PROCEEDINGS.

Wilfrid Laurier: The very applause which has greeted the declaration of my right hon. friend (Sir George Foster) must show him that the Government has taken the proper action in doing what it has just done. The more liberal the execution of this new order is the better it will be. In connection with this matter I want to call the attention of the House to a question which is one that affects its privileges. I am glad to see the hon. member for East Lambton (Mr. Armstrong) in his seat. Respecting the very subject that has just been dealt with, I find that the Evening Journal says:
Mr. J. a Armstrong, member for East Lambton, who was asked to resign, has issued a vigorous reply to the petitioners.
Mr. Armstrong throws Some new light on the secret session of Parliament and states that Mr. Lloyd George in an appeal to Canada asked for more men even if production suffered.
If it be true that the hon. member for East Lambton has given out a statement of what took place in the secret session, it is a breach of the privilege of Parliament. He had no right to do so. Nobody will dispute that. It was well understood that it was a secret session, and so far nothing has been said with regard to it. But if it be true that the hon. member for East Lambton has said what is here alleged, I repeat, it would be a breach of privilege. The paper further says:
Mr. Armstrong says in part:
In the secret session of Parliament held before deciding on the setting aside of exemptions, word was received direct from Lloyd George to send men and more men, even if production did suffer. This is only one of many urgent appeals received from the Government.
I think every man who heard the words spoken by the Prime Minister on that occasion-and he is the only man who spoke, -will agree with me when I say that I am sure the hon. member for East Lambton did not understand, or represent, what was said by the Prime Minister if he understood him to attribute to Lloyd George the words: "Even if production did suffer." There was not a word of that kind said, and I call upon the Government to take

such action as they think should be taken in regard to such a matter. I do not press for any answer to-day, but I .must protest and nobody will contradict my word, when I say that the hon. member for East Lambton had no right to repeat what was said in this House at a secret session.


Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:: The statement made in that letter in answer to the petition that was sent to me by my constituents, is a perfectly straight-forward and honest statement, and a statement that has been used freely throughout the country. The right hon. leader of the Opposition (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) knows that it has been used freely throughout the country.


Wilfrid Laurier: That is not the point.


Charles Murphy: It is evident that the secret session is going to be used in the same way as the soldiers-camouflage.


Wilfrid Laurier: There is no excuse at all. However, I am not going to carry the matter further.



IMPERIAL CONFERENCE.

Wilfrid Laurier: I wish to call the attention of my right hon. friend the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir George Foster) to two other matters on which we should receive information. We were promised some days ago by the Prime Minister that we should be informed as to who the ministers were who were to accompany him to England and as to what was, in so far as it could be disclosed without infringing upon the secret correspondence, the object of the meeting.


George Green Foster: I remember
that, in answer to a question of my hon. friend the member for Maisonneuve (Mr. Lemieux) I promised to make a very short statement in reference to this matter. First, as to the object of the assembling of the war council and of the Imperial Council; my right hon. friend (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) and all the members of this House have, I have no doubt, taken cognizance of similar meetings which were held in pursuance of a similar call about a year ago or a little les9. The purpose of these meetings was explained to the Parliament of that day and Parliament signified its agreement with the purpose for which those . conferences were called. The propriety of having them attended by the representatives who are invited was also apparent. Since then, published reports have been made of what took place at those con-

ferences. Whilst everything that took place has not been made public the larger portion of the resolutions and the discussions upon them, is now public property. The summons for the meeting of these conferences this year has been made for the same purpose as before and my right hon. friend the Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden) has been summoned to attend these as have the Prime Ministers of other overseas dominions and also a representative of India. In pursuance of that summons, and for similar purposes as were held in view a year ago, the Prime Minister proposes to proceed to London. The Prime Ministers of the other dominions are also over there or on their way thither. The Prime Minister has selected to accompany him, the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Meighen), the Minister of Colonization and Immigration (Mr. Calder) and the President of the Council (Mr. Rowell).


Jacques Bureau: Some choice!


George Green Foster: 
Wilfrid Laurier: That is quite
sufficient. It is five minutes to twelve, and we are on the eve of being summoned to the other House; but perhaps we might use the time available before the summons reaches us to take up a matter to which I have already
drawn the attention of my right hon. friend. Perhaps he will give us some information now as to the registration of man-power and woman-power which is to take place at an early date-that is to say, what is the object of such registration and if any policy has been decided upon by the Government in connection with it.


George Green Foster: tion received through the registration. The memorandum is a pretty full one and will give the modus operandi as well as the objects of the registration.


Wilfrid Laurier: 'Have the Government formulated any policy, and if so will the right hon. gentleman state what that policy is with regard to the use of the information thus collected?


Stir GEORGE POSTER:: The Government has considered very carefully as to what measures can be taken to utilize to the very largest possible extent the information which will he available, and that is a matter for further consideration.


Charles Murphy: Did I understand my
right hon. friend (Sir George Foster) to say that the results of the registration will be used for agricultural or labour purposes,' and not for military purposes?


George Green Foster: I was speaking with reference to one of the uses which would be made of this information which is to be gathered, and that it was hoped to use a portion of that for agricultural purposes during the coming autumn.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Just one word about
the Imperial Conference. I said earlier in the evening that the people of this country viewed with alarm the agitation which is going on on both sides of the Atlantic- the agitation carried on by the Round Table Club. For the information of the gentlemen who will represent Canada in England at the coming Imperial Conference, I wish to quote advice given by the late Sir John A. iMacdonald on the question of Imperial Federation:
We are told that we want imperial federation. I will not trouble you with a disquisition on that subject now, but I will tell you (imperial federation is utterly impracticable. We would never agree to send a number of men over to England to sit in Parliament there and vote away our rights and principles. I am, so far as that question goes, up to the handle a home-ruler, We will govern our own country. We will put on the taxes ourselves. If we choose to misgovern ourselves we will do so, and we do not desire England, Ireland or Scotland to tell us we are fools. We will say: If we are fools we will keep our folly to ourselves ; you will not be the worse for it and we will not be the worse for any folly of yours.


George Green Foster: I may be allowed just one word in answer to my hon. friend's proffer of information. Whilst it is accepted gratefully, I hope my hon. friend will not consider that he is the only guardian of the rights, privileges and

liberties of this country. I hope he will consider, and that, after considering, he will not he backward in expressing that the gentleman whom I have named and the party or the section that they represent, are not one whit less loyal to the interests of Canada than my hon. friend. I beg of him to disabuse himself of the idea that he is the only guardian of the rights and liberties of Canada, and I would .ask him not to spoil his. holidays by having any undue anxiety as to what may be done on the other side.
\


Wilfrid Laurier: You will allow us the privilege of believing that our trust in our missionaries is not unlimited.


George Green Foster: But it is always open for us to become more and more trustful.


Wilfrid Laurier: It is very
slow to come.


Jacques Bureau: In view of the discussion that took place this afternoon, Mr. Speaker, I think that the hon. member for M.aisonneuve is doing right in giving warning to my hon. friend the leader of the House to-night. There may be a disposition to give away resources of this country, and. if we are left without resources, I do not know what will become of us. Our trust may he diminishing after what has taken place in this House, after hearing the statements of the member for Russell (Mr. Murphy) and the member for Brome (Mr. MeM,aster), yet in spite of these, when the challenge is made to a member of the Privy Council to make good unfounded charges, we see him sit quiet in his seat. So we have reason to be suspicious when we see him a member of the delegation.
(Mr. CAHILL:	Did I understand the
leader of the Government to refer to gentlemen who were representing the party and representing a section of the country? They are not going to the Imperial Conference to represent a party, I hope.


George Green Foster: Don't worry.


John Howard Sinclair: Everybody will
remember that .a very important question was discussed in this House a few days ago, the question of titles. The House, or a majority of the members of the House, reached a conclusion-


George Green Foster: Surely my hon. friend is not going to 'broach an utterly new question.


John Howard Sinclair: I am going to ask the leader of the Government a question. The conclusion reached by the House, as everybody remembers, ie that we would ask for the abolition of hereditary titles.


George Green Foster: Is my hon. friend disappointed?


John Howard Sinclair: And we did not say what course we would take in regard to knighthoods. The Prime Minister informed us that this matter would be fully discussed at the Imperial Conference. It would be interesting if the leader of the House is in a position, or is free to tell us, what attitude the Government takes in regard to that matter, and whether they will hold to the resolution passed by the House, or whether they will go any further and "ask for the whole matter to be considered at the Imperial Conference with a view to abolishing titles altogether.


George Green Foster: The pleasures of anticipation are often very much greater than those of actual possession. I would not desire to spoil my hon. friend's pleasures of anticipation for the holiday season for the world.


Jacques Bureau: We may anticipate anything.
Some hon. (MEMBERS: Read.


Joseph Read: I am not going to speak, Mr. Speaker, I just want to thank the hon. gentleman on the other side of the House for calling on me.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Louder.


Joseph Read: And I want to say
on behalf of myself-


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Oh, oh.


Joseph Read: -and the party to which I belong that I hope the hon. gentlemen who are going to represent us in the United Kingdom will not give away any of our rights and will not do anything to prejudice the interest of Canada until they come before this House, and receive instructions.


Jacques Bureau: Let them keep away from booze over there-preach prohibition.


George Green Foster: And practice it.



PROROGATION OF PARLIAMENT.

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A message was delivered by Lieutenant-Colonel Ernest J. Chambers, Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, as follows:
Mr. Speaker, His Excellency, the Governor General, desires the immediate attendance of
this honourable House in the chamber of the honourable the Senate.
Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with, the House, went to the Senate Chamber.
In the Senate Chamber His Excellency, the Governor General was pleased to give, in His Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the following Bills:
An Act to confirm an agreement between His Majesty the King and the Van Buren Bridge Company.
An Act to amend the Department of Railways and Canals Act.
An Act respecting the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment.
An Act respecting The Canadian Society of Civil Engineers and to change its name to "The Engineering Institute of Canada."
An Act respecting a patent of O. G. C. L. J. Overbeck.
An Act respecting the Cosmos Cotton Company.
An Act to amend the Animal Contagious Diseases Act.
An Act to amend the Yukon Act.
An Act to amend The Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1907.
An Act respecting the Naval Discipline (Dominion Naval Forces) Act, 1911.
An Act to provide Compensation where Employees of His Majesty are killed or suffer injuries while performing their duties.
An Act to amend the Railway Belt Act.
An Act to amend the Public Works Act.
An Act to amend the Department of Railways and Canals Act.
An Act for granting to His Majesty aid for Military and Naval Defence.
An Act to amend The Gold and Silver Marking Act, 1913.
An Act to Aid and Encourage the Organization and Co-ordination of Employment Offices.
An Act to amend the Indian Act.
An Act to amend the Fisheries Act, 1914.
An Act to amend The Meat and Canned Foods A.ct.
An Act respecting The Canadian Indemnity Company.
An Act to incorporate The Merchants Casualty Company.	.
An Act respecting The Burrard Inlet Tunnel and Bridge Company.
An Act respecting The Canadian Northern Ontario Railway Company.
An Act to enable The Western Power Company of Canada, Limited, to own and operate the Railway of The Western Canada Power Company, Limited.
An Act respecting Fraser Lumber Company, Limited, and Fraser Companies, Limited.
An Act to amend the Salaries Act and the Provisions for preserving the Independence of Parliament.
An Act to correct a clerical error in the French version of The Naturalization Act, 1914. An Act to amend the Penitentiary Act.
An .Act respecting United Grain Growers, Limited, formerly The Grain Growers' Grain Company, Limited.
An Act to Confer the Electoral Franchise upon Women.
An Act respecting The Montreal, Ottawa and Georgian Bay Canal Company.
An Act respecting Ottawa and Montreal Transmission Company, Limited.
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An Act respecting The Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company.
An Act to incorporate The Canadian Niagara Bridge Company.
An Act respecting The Kettle Valley Railway Company.
An Act respecting The Nipissing Central Railway Company.
An Act to confirm an Agreement between Vancouver, Victoria and Eastern Railway and Navigation Company and Northern Pacific Railway Company.
An Act respecting certain patents of The Dynamic Balancing Machine Company.
An Act to amend The Dominion Bands Act. An Act to amend The Companies Act.
An Act respecting the Dominion Bureau of Statistics.
An Act to incorporate the Gospel Workers Church in Canada.
An Act respecting The Fire Insurance Company of Canada.
An Act for the relief of Frederick Ernest Zang.
An Act for the relief of Thomas Bailey Wain wright.
An Act for the relief of William Deo Walpole. An Act for the relief of Mary Claire Dawson Hislop.
An Act for the relief of Martin Hafner.
An Act for the relief of Ida Sophia Wardell. An Act for the relief of Edward David Hill.
An Act for the relief of Francis Newman.
An Act for the relief of Henry Ernest Saxby. An Act respecting The International Bridge and Tunnel Company.
An Act to incoporate Montreal, Joliette and Transcontinental Junction Railway Company.
19An Act to amend the Daylight Saving Act,
An Act respecting a patent of Jacob David Wolf.
An Act to incorporate L'Ordre des Dominicains ou frSres precheurs au Canada.
An Act respecting The Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo Railway Company.
An Act respecting the Halifax Relief Commission.
An Act to amend the Inspection and Sale Act (Hay and Straw Inspection).
An Act to amend the Act of the present Session intituled An Act to amend the Supreme Court Act.
An Act for the relief of David M. Sloss.
An Act for the relief of Dillie Mabel Billing. An Act for the relief of Emily Kathleen Cockrane Lackey.
An Act for the relief of Alonzo Jesse Chapman.
An Act for the relief of Margaret Bell Charlesworth.
An Act for the relief of Alfred Frank Scott.
An Act to amend the Inland Revenue Act.
An Act respecting The Church and Manse Board of the Presbyterian Church in Canada.
An Act respecting The Belleville Prince Edward Bridge Company.
An Act to amend The Special War Revenue Act, 1915.
An Act to amend The Canadian Patriotic Fund Act, 1914.
An Act respecting The Protective Association of Canada.
An Act to amend the Inspection and Sale Act (Fruit, Fruit Marks and Potatoes).
An Act to amend The Companies Act in various particulars.
An Act to amend The Customs Tariff, 1907.
An Act to amend The Business Profits War Tax Act, 1916.
An Act supplementary to Chapter Twenty-four of the Statutes of 1917, respecting the Canadian Northern Railway-System.
An Act to incorporate the United Canadian Insurance Company.
An Act to amend the Navigable Waters Protection Act.	[DOT]
An Act respecting the Civil Service of Canada.
An Act to amend the Bills of Exchange Act.
An Act to amend the Income War Tax, 1917.
An Act respecting the Election held in the Electoral District of Yukon.
An Act to amend Chapter Thirty-nine of the Statutes of 1917.
An Act to amend the Criminal Code.
An Act to provide for the payment of Bounties on zinc produced from zinc ores mined in Canada.
To these Bills the Royal Assent was pronounced by the clerk of the Senate in the following words:
In His Majesty's name, his Excellency the Governor General doth assent to these Bills.
Then the hon. the Speaker of the House of Commons addressed His Excellency, the Governor General, as follows:
May it please your Excellency:
The Commons of Canada have voted the supplies required to enable the Government to defray the expenses of the Public Service.
In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Excellency the following Bill:
An Act for granting to His Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of the financial year ending respectively the 31st March, 1918 and the 31st March, 1919.
To which Bill I humbly request Your Excellency's assent.
To this Bill the clerk of the Senate, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, did thereupon say:
In His Majesty's name, His Excellency the Governor General thanks His Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and assents to this Bill.
After which His Excellency the Governor General was pleased to close the First Session of the Thirteenth Parliament of the Dominion with the following speech:
Honourable Gentlemen of the Senate,
Gentlemen of the House of Commons:
In releasing you from further attendance at the present session, I am mindful of the diligence with which you have discharged the important duties devolving upon you in these critical days.
A new campaign in the war having opened since you entered upon your labours, the enemy, now freed from threatened attack in the East, has struck with the force of vastly augmented numbers on the Western front for the primary purpose of destroying the British armies and with the ultimate object of gaining a decision before reinforcements can arrive. In the face of tremendous odds the soldiers of our Empire gallantly supported by our Allies, have withstood this assault with a courage and tenacity which command our admiration and gratitude. It is

anticipated that the* attack will be renewed in still greater force and intensity during the coming summer and autumn.
Portions of the Canadian forces, already engaged in meeting this attack, have rendered distinguished service.'
The readjustments which you have authorized in the military service law will provide the reinforcements and reserves so urgently needed to support and maintain all arms of the service at full strength, without unduly interfering with the demands of essential production.
[Meanwhile arrangements for a national registration are being advanced, in order that the human power of the Dominion, especially such as is ineligible for military service, may be more effectively organized to maintain the productive capacity of the country which is exceeded in importance only by our military needs. For the like purpose, action has been taken as a war measure to enjoin and enforce upon all persons the duty of active employment in useful work. The assistance you have rendered towards the encouragement and co-ordination of the Provincial Labour Bureaus will assist [DOT] materially in solving the important problems of employment and distribution of labour.
Measures you have adopted for increasing the revenues by further and wider taxation will doubtless result in a more equitable distribution of financial burdens among the people.
You have given your assent to enactments respecting the Public Service which will unquestionably promote its efficiency both at the seat of government and throughout the Dominion.
In creating the Department of Immigration and Colonization and the Department of Soldiers Civil Re-establishment, you have provided the means for coping effectively with vital problems which will inevitably arise during and after demobilization.
The extension of the franchise to women will notably broaden the basis and strengthen the
stability of government; and we may justly anticipate that it will exercise an important and wholesome influence upon many vital social problems confronting the nation.
The Daylight Saving Act has already justified the expectations you entertained of its attendant benefits.
The trade of the country has maintained its already remarkable development, and my advisers anticipate that necessary financial arrangements to facilitate the continued exportation of surplus products will be consummated at an early date.
Gentlemen of the House of Commons:	.
I thank you in His Majesty's name for the ' liberal provision'you have made for the needs of the Public Service and for the prosecution of the war.
Honourable Gentlemen of the Senate:
Gentlemen of the House of Commons:
The sinister purpose of the enemy has been still more clearly revealed by recent events and especially by the military domination which he has founded upon his success in the Eastern Theatre. The unmistakable menace to our national liberties and safety, thus disclosed and emphasized, cannot fail to strengthen the resolution of our people, who abide the issue with unshaken faith in their high cause consecrated by the sacrifice of those who have died that freedom, faith and justice may endure. I pray that their strength may be sustained by Almighty God.
The Speaker of the Senate then saii
It is His Excellency the Governor General's will and pleasure that this Parliament be prorogued until Thursday, the 4th day of July next, to be here holden, and this Parliament is accordingly prorogued until Thursday the 4th day of July next.

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Abbreviations.-lr., 2r., 3r. = first, second, or third reading. Arndt. = Amendment. Com.- Committee. Con. = Consideration. Div. = Division. M. = Motion. Ques. = Question.	Ref. = Reference.	Rep. = Report.	Res. = Resolution. Sec.=
Section.
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Abitibi, railway facilities, 558
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 5, 13
Adjournment moved to discuss matter of urgent public importance Mr. Currie, Quebec disturbances, 239, 336, 380, 463
Adulteration of food. See Food.
Advances to provinces, ques. 208, ques. 741. See also Finance
Advertising. See Government advertising
Advisory Arts Council, 1195
Aeroplanes. See Army, Royal Flying Corps Presentation of to British Government, ques. 740
Age of Consent. See Criminal Code amendment
Agriculture. See also Food; Animal Contagious Diseases; Inspection and Sale Animals
Breeding, 2301	.
Distribution of, 151 Sherbrooke, at, ques. 870 Shipments of in Quebec, ques. 869 Cattle, British embargo on, ques. 565 Contagious diseases among, 800, 850 Horses, remounts, ques. 869, 904 Live stock industry, 2379 Sheep, protection of, 1055 Apples. See under this head, Fruit Butter. See under this head, Dairying Canning and packing houses, 1056 Dairying, 2298. Sec also Inspection and Sale; Oleomargarine Butter, packing of, 1214 Cheese and condensed milk, prices, 1129 Exports, 307 Generally, 2298 Milk, ques. 872, 1129, 1214 Product in Canada in 1917, 290 Department of
Estimates, staff and salaries, 151, 2375 Expenditure, 1917-18, 573 Destructive insects and pests, 2298 Eggs. See also Inspection and Sale.
Inspection and grading of, ques. 1201, 1205, 1209
Exhibitions, 2376, 2380
Fisheries exhibit at Toronto, 280 Experimental farms and demonstration stations, 2290 Lennoxville, ques. 743 Spirit Lake, ques. 744, 2293 Flax, 1231, 2381
Food production campaign, 903
Memorandum of Minister of Agriculture, 25-27	.
Fruit and Fruit Marks, 2245. See Inspection and Sale Apples, ques. 287 Distribution of, ques. 287 Grain, milling value of, ques. 2399 Hay. Sec Inspection and Sale Inspection and grading, 1078 Levis county, purchase of, in, ques. 740 Implements
Duties and drawbacks, ques. 50, ques. 465, ques. 872, ques. 1203, ques. 1204, 1274, 1277
Tractors, ques. 467
Admission of, duty free, 54, ques. 467 Purchase of by Government, 1693, 2388 Indians, amongst. See Indians Labour for. See Labour Leave-of-absence boards, agricultural representative, Mr. Tucker, appointment of, ques. 331, ques. 873 Meats. See Meat and Canned Foods Cold storage, in, ques. 1302 Mill feeds, ques. 206, 2298, 2300, 2304 Oleomargarine, 288
Licenses to manufacture, ques. 286, ques. 1201
Seed, 2381, 2537
Vegetables. See Inspection and Sale Distribution of, ques. 287 Duties on, 1339
Agriculture and Colonization. Committee on, 106, 1175, 2308, 2382, 2550 Aiken, Mr. G. O., ques. 2238
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Army-Com.
Battalions
25th Nova Scotia, ques. 1304 159th and 227th, ques. 2398 249th, ques. 466 Canadian Army Corps, 1305 Canadian War Records Office, 2127, ques. 2241
Civil servants in, pay and allowances to, 864, 1729, 1749, 2315, 2385, 2388 Conscription. See Military Service Demobilization of, 31, 629 Dental corps, ques. 1202, ques. 2398 Deserters, 467
Draftees, and, alleged band of, 632 Reward for arrest of, ques. 467 " Engineers training depot officers, ques. 740 Enlistments	*
British born and Canadian born, ques. 1127
June, 1917, prior to, 942 Labour, from, 97,8
Military Service Act, 1917, under, ques. 464
Overseas service, for, ques. 109 Voluntary system, under, ques. 1127 Fifth division, 879, 1306
First contingent, leave for members, 883891
Forestry battalion, officers, 1175, 1305, ques. 2399
French Canadians, in, 1194, 1927 Units of, 927, 953
General statement by Minister of Militia, 578
Medical service, 1175, 1305, ques. 223S Dr. Bruce, 1368 Military police, 2387, 2516 Mounted police, in, 2285 N.CO.'s., promotion of, 865 Officers
Fifth division, commanding, 1306 Montreal base depot, of, ques. 332 Quebec, ques. 288, 743
Headquarters staff, at, 862 Return of, to Canada, ques. 115 Returned, employment of, ques. 333 For individual officers see their names Overseas forces
Casualties in, 34, 576, 936, ques. 1842, ques. 2102 Command of, 927 Strength of, 34, 901, 935 Victoria crosses won by, 288 Professional men, utilization of services of, 1539
Recruiting. See also under this head, Enlistments
Civil service, from. See, under this head, Civil Servants
Army-Con.	[DOT]
Military Service Act, prior to, 942 Numbers, 942
Property, leasing of for, ques. 465 Regiment, Amherst at, during election, ques 335
Remounts, purchase of in Canada, ques. 869, 904
Royal Flying Corps, 931, 1368 Enlistments in, at Quebec, 1367 Religious services, for, ques. 1365, 1617 Transfers to C.E.F., ques. 1842 Royal Northwest Mounted Police, in, 2285 Soldiers
Candidates for Parliament, 884 Civil pay of. See under this head Civil Servants
Mail matter for, postage on, 2535 Pensions, for. See also Pensions Report of Committee on,- 2480 Recruiting, advances for, ques. 1839 Return of
Canada, to, ques. 112 Front, to, ques. 332 Returned
Arrest for loafing, 2387	.
Employment, for, 1183 Government positions for, 1182, 1736 Imprisonment, alleged, of, 1367 Settlement. See Dominion Lands Act Amendment; Soldiers Civil Re-estab-1 lishment; Soldiers' Settlement Sickness of, while on leave, ques. 971 Smallpox among, 1131 Treatment of on transports, 73 Votes, 23, 909. See also Yukon election; War-time elections In last election, 2256, 2400-2475
Motion (Mr. Copp) for investigation into, 2434
For individual soldiers see their names Transfers from Royal Flying Corps-to C.E. F„ ques. 1842
Units recruited in Canada and their officers on reaching England, 596 Women's Auxiliary Army Corps, 952 Women's Royal Naval Service, 952 Art
Parliament buildings, new, decoration of, 1104
Canadian War Memorial, pictures for, 1195
Arthurs, Mr. James (Parry Sound)
Alien labour, 986
Annual reports in French and English, ques. 971
Dager, Mr. Herman J., ques. 2242 Government railway rates for troops, 2168 Immigration agents, clergymen as, ques. 1203
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Arthurs, Mr. James-Con.
Indians in Ontario, 1056 Mail contracts, 2529 Pensions, 2489 Quebec disturbances, 438 Asiatics in Canada, 1002, 1005 Auditor General
Expenditure of, overseas, ques. 1481 Office, appointments in and salaries, 136, T200
Relatives, appointment of, 1731, 1753 Austrians, interned, in Canada, 1020 Automobiles
" Joy riding " See Criminal Code Amendment
Tax on. See Special War Revenue Australia and New Zealand steamship service, 2211
Aviation. See Army, Royal Flying Corps Baldwin, Mr. W. K. (Stanstead)
Budget, 1357 Public expenditure, 1357 Ross rifle factory, ques. 1072, 1360 Ball, Mr. Robert J. (Southeast Grey)
Fruit containers, 2252
Printing Bureau appointments, ques. 1978 Ballantyne, Hon. C. C. (Minister of Marine and Fisheries and Minister of the Naval Service)
Army
French Canadian units, 928 Officers of units recruited in Canada, 596 Defence of Canada Order, 1917, amendments, 932 Fisheries
Advisory board, 270 Bounties, 283 Commission, 275 Exhibit at Toronto, 280 Guardians and overseers, 270 Lobster hatcheries, 282 Protection service, 354 Fisheries Act Amendment Bill, 868, 967 Halifax Relief Commission, 2197 Life-saving stations, 357 Light-keepers' salaries, 372 Magdalen Islands steamship service, 70 Marine and Fisheries Department, estimates, staff and salaries, 152, 270 Military service, 2384 Missisquoi Bay, seine-fishing, 275 Montreal Harbour Advances Act Amendment, 80, 132
Naval Discipline Act Amendment, 723 Naval Service Department, estimates and salaries, 148, 363, 366	'
Orders in Council and Reports, 12 Pilots, 373, 1306
Ballantyne. Hon. C.-Con.
Prince Edward Island car ferry, 362
Riviere Ouelle-Murray Bay service, 361
Royal Naval college, 357
St. Lawrence river ship channel, 367
Shipbuilding, 345-354
Simcoe, steamer, 366, 376
Sorel shipyard, 368
Steamers and ice-breakers, 358-360
Wharves, repairs to, 375
Wireless telegraphy, 355
Wrecking plants, 364
Banking and Commerce, Committee on, 106 Bankruptcy, Bill respecting, lr., 205. 2r., 563. Special Com., 563, 735, 867. Rep. of. 1691
Banks. See also Finance.
Business hours of, 2383
Central gold reserve, deposit with, ques. 741 Deposits in, use of for war purposes, ques. 741
Excess circulation, 738 Government deposits in, ques. 742 Subscription to war loans, ques. 741 Victory loan, payments to, ques. 2240 Barre, Colonel, letter to Sir Edward Kemp, 1928
Barrington's Cove wharf, 1154 Bate, McMahon & Co., payments to, ques. 1479
Battalions. See Army Beaufort, Mr. E., ques. 1364, ques. 1840 Beaverbrook, Lord, ques. 50 Beland, Hon. H. S. (Beauce), release from German prison, 7, 1910 Belanger, Mr., (St. Charles River works), 1567, 2375, 2507 Belanger, Mr. F. J., ques. 1841 Belanger, Mr. J. A., ques. 630 Belford, Major J. F., ques. 870 Bellechasse, steamer, ques. 112, 360 Benmore, Government barge, ques. 1617 Bernasconi, Mr., engineer, 1156 Berthier
Exemptions in, ques. 1843 Public works, ques. 467 Berthierville
Excise officers, ques. 113 Post office, ques. 466 Best, Mr. John A. (Dufferin)
Civil Service Act Amendment, 1768 Daylight saving, 189 Beverages. See Customs
Bills of Exchange Act Amendment Bill, lr., 2383. 2r„ Com., 2477.	3r„ 2478
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Blair, Mr. William J. (Battle River)	Demobilization, 31, 629	
Immigration agents, clergymen, as, ques.	Deputy Speaker, appointment, i3	
1203	Desjardins, " Ti-noir," 1027	
Blake, Mr. Matthew R. (North Winnipeg)	Director of Public Information, 899 Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks Act	
Alien labour, 1013	Arndt.. 82	
Budget, 1313	Election, last general, 23 ,	
Hay, inspection, 1093, 1095	Employment offices, 842	
Prison reform, 1190	Excessive profits, 30 .	
Taxation, 1315, 1366	Farmers' delegation, 1837, 1937, 2196	
Blanchard, Mr. H. Percy, ques. 2237	Fisheries Report, 1692	
Blondin, Hon. P. E., Postmaster-General, 2513	Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, payments to, 1976	
Board of Pension Commissioners. See Pen-	Flour milling, 2237 Flying Corps, Canadian, proposed, 1368	
sions	Food production and control, 28	
Boivin, Mr. George H. (Shefford). *8'ec	Fuel control, 32	
Deputy Speaker	Government appointments and parliamen-	
Bo la Pasha, ques. 1071 .	tary constituencies, 1305, 1481, 2101	
Borden, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert (Prime Minis-	Government employees, compensation for	
ter)	injuries to, 679	
Address in reply to the Governor General's	Halifax Relief Commission, 32, 2064, 2196	
Speech, 20; formation of union gov-	Hanna, late Dr. A. E., M.P., 3i	
[DOT] ernment, 21; returns under Military	House of Commons	
Voters' Act, 21; summoning of parlia-	Business of the, 2374, 1420	
ment, 22; conduct of election, 23; vot-	Adjournment instead of prorogation,	
ing of soldiers, 23; Military Service	2314	
Act, 24; food production and control,	Ascension day adjournment, 1618	
25; shipbuilding, 28; prohibition, 30;	Economy in, proposal of Mr. Speaker,	
excessive profits, 30; civil service re-	563	
form, 30; demobilization of troops, 31;	Monday sittings, 877, 1026	
Canadian war organizations, 32; Hali-	Morning sittings, 1419	
fax disaster, 32; railway equipment,	Saturday sittings, 1419	
32; fuel control, 32; Military Service	Immigration and Colonization Bill, 103	
convention with United States, 33;	Imperial Conference, 2239 -	
trade and finance, 33; woman suffrage,	Independence of Parliament, 683, S45, 878	
33; Canadian overseas forces, 25, 34;	Labatt, Colonel, 1693 .	
Russia, 34; progress of the war, 35.	Letter from young patriot, 1125	
Aliens, 1694	McMartin, late John, M.P., 932	
Allied forces, replacement by Americans,	Military Service, 24	
2194	Classes, 938	
Army Medical Service, 1368	Deserter, presumed, arrest of, 1076	
Bankruptcy Bill, 563	Deserters and draftees, alleged band of,	
Banks, excess circulation, 738	633	
Beaverbrook, Lord, 50	Exemptions, 1366, 1539, 1843	[DOT]
Beiand. Hon. Dr. H. S.. M.P., release of	Fishermen, conscription of, 2315	
from German prison, 1910	Hardships under, 2128	
Canadian cattle, British embargo on, 565	Leave of absence, 1076 .	
Canadian Daily Record, 898	Quebec disturbances, 236, 284-286, 336,	
Canadian Northern Railway, indebtedness,	396, 680	
1424	Order in Council concerning, 378	
Canadian Northern Railway Company Bill,	Regulations, ages, 20-22, 878, 933	
1927, 1994	Rural drafts, 2315	
Censorship of debates, 1767	United States, convention with. 33, 54	
Censorship regulations, 1837	National Service Commission, 903	
Civil servants overseas, 2315	Naval Discipline Bill, 725	
Civil Service Act Amendment, 1808, 2132	Navigable Waters Protection, 730	
Civil Service reform, 30	Newspapers, payments to, 2128	
Customs Act Arndt, (control), 81	Orders in Council laid on the table, 12	
De Celles, Mr. A. D., 1767	Summoning Parliament, 11, 21	
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Pension Commissioners for Canada, 51 Pensions, Special Committee, 563 Private Bills, suspension of rules relating to, 1766, 1845
Privilege, question of, order in, 315 Public service, re-arrangement of duties of departments, 50, 76, 83 Railways and Canals Act Arndt. (Railway equipment), 32, 548 Railway situation in Canada, 1994 Remounts, purchase in Canada, 904 Royal Flying Corps, 1368 Religious services for, 1617 Rural mail carriers, 63 Russia, 34
Salaries Act Arndt., 683, 845, 878 Secret session of Parliament, 735 Securities, provincial and municipal, sale of, 126
Sevigny, Hon. Mr., resignation, 155
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 610, 625
Soldiers' voting, 23
Speaker, election of, 1
Supreme Court Act Amendment, 524
Titles, 473, 489, 517, 2237, 2342, 2363-2364
Union Government, 21, 25
War
Argyll House employees, 56 Canadian War Memorial Fund, 1195 Canadian War Records office, 2127 Consultation with Imperial Government before outbreak of, 928 Expenditure and Estimates, 571-610, 879881, 930-932
Accounting and auditing between Great Britain and Canada, 901-905 Forces, Canadian, engaged in, 34, 576 Army corps, 1305 Casualties, 34, 936 Command of, 927
French Canadian brigade, 1195, 1933 Numbers and nationalities, 935, 936 Human energy of Canada, use of, 25, 377 Nurses, Canadian, heroism of, 157 Official news, arrangements for, 1976 Organizations, 32 Progress of, 35, 933
German offensive, 83, 107 Red Cross rules, violation of by enemy, 157
Vote, $500,000,000, 571	-
War Mission at Washington, 905 War-time Elections Act Arndt., 1475 White, Sir Thomas, statement as to absence of, 50, 55, 736 Winnipeg strike, 2236 Woman suffrage, 33, 88-103, 364, 676 Yukon election, 1835, 2080, 2099, 2338
Bourassa, TVlr. J. Boutin (Lfivis)
Halifax disaster Claims, ques. 2397 Reconstruction, ques. 1362 Hay, purchase of in L6vis, ques. 740 Lauzon dock, J. B. Paquet, ques. 2238 Military Service Judges, fees of, ques. 1839 LOvis, officials, ques. 570 Quebec, dredges and steamers at, ques. 868 St. Lambert, liquor stored at, ques. 1127 St. Nicholas quarry, ques. 868 Victoria, B.C., employment at, ques. 1479, ques. 1978
Bowie, Major Henry 'William, appointed Sergeant-at-Arms, 3 Boyce, Mr. George (Carleton)
Agricultural exhibitions, 2378 Animal contagious diseases, 802 Connaught rifle range, ques. 1981, 2195 Daylight saving, 166, 244 Hay, inspection and grading, 1088 Boyer, Mr. Gustave (Vaudreuil-Soulanges) Animal contagious diseases, 803 Oleomargarine, 292
Rigaud-St. Redempteur mail, ques. 742 Ste. Anne de Bellevue hospital, ques. 1303 Boys, Mr. W. A. (South Simcoe)
Camp Borden, purchase of land, 1941 Supreme Court Act Amendment, 534 Bradbury, Hon. Senator, services and pension of, ques. 1128, ques. 2397, 2520 Bran, exportation of, ques. 206, 2128, 2301, 2304
Brault, Romeo, ques. Ill, 1075 Bremner, Major F. W. D., ques. 1843
Bristol, Mr. Edmund (Toronto Centre) Budget, 1434 '
Trade and farming conditions in Canada, 1435-1437
War taxation, 1438
British Canadian Insurance Company. See United Canadian
Brockville appeal tribunal, ques. 2238 Brouillard, Mr. J. Ovide (Drummond and Arthabaska)
Dental corps, ques. 2398 Fallon, Bishop of London, ques. 1304, ques. 2238
Fowler, Mr. Robert, ques. 2241
Furois, Mr. Philippe, ques. 1981
Labatt, Colonel, ques. 1981
Military district No. 4, advances, ques. 1839
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Exemption tribunals, fees, ques. 1073 Kingston deputy registrar, staff of, ques. 2238
Sevigny, Hon. Albert, ques. 1618 Welland canal paymaster, ques. 2397 Buchanan, Mr. W. A. (Lethbridge)
Canadian Northern Railway, 2113 Civil Sendee Act Amendment, 1752 Fuel, 327, 767 Titles, 2370
Buctouche, public building, 1138 Budget Debate 1253, 1306, 1368, 1429, 1454, 1482, 1541, 1620
Bull, Mr. Harry Cecil, ques. 1842 Bureau, Mr. Jacques (Three Rivers and St. Maurice)
Auditor General's office, 136 Auditor General's report, printing of in French, 135
Belleville-Prince Edward Bridge Company, 1838
Bureau of Statistics, 337 Canadian Daily Record, 915 [DOT]Canadian Government Railways, suspense account, 691
Canadian Northern Railway, 1919, 1926 Censoring of debates, 1767 Children, moral protection of, 1705 Chinese immigration, 2272 Civil servants Conduct of, 2281
Enlisted, civil pay of, 2386, 2388 Civil Service Act Arndt., 721, 1774, 1782, 1813, 1817, 1826, 1847, 1860, 1875, 1891, 1906
Amdt. proposed, 2129 Conservation, Commission of, 2287 Departments,'creation of, 844 Director of Public Information, 704 Dominion lands, homesteading, 250, 257 Dominion Police, 2536 Eggs, sale by weight, 1210 Elevators, 2264
Fire Insurance Company of. Canada, 1950 Gold and Silver Marking Act Amdt., 966 Government employees, compensation for injuries, 678, 817, 834 Imperial Conference, 2556 Industrial disputes, 835
Inland Revenue and Customs departments, suggested amalgamation, 149 Inspection and Sale Act Amdt., 1209 Portland cement, 1226, 1230 Interior Department, estimates, 2225 Johnson, Mr. Main, 2280 Judges, exemption from taxation, 1687 Labour Department, staff and salaries, 197, 830
Bureau, Mr. Jacques-Con.
Meat and Canned Foods Act Amdt., 789 Military Service
Medical examinations, 1694 Medically unfit men, 1076, 1130 Militia Department Auditors, 138
Estimates and salaries, 561, 850, 853 Organization, 598 Mounted Police, 2285
Navigable Waters, constructions on, 562, 731, 734
Orders in Council, concurrence in, 2480 Parliament buildings, new, Speaker's quarters, 1108
Penitentiaries, 1178, 1184 Portland cement, 1226, 1230 Privy Council Department, private secretary to president, 2274 Railway Act (consolidation), 1909 Railways and Canals, estimates, 1.969, 1971 Railway Belt Act Amdt., 835 Railway equipment, 552, 725 Shawinigan Falls bridge, 731 Soldiers' civil re-establishment, 610, 625 Supreme Court Act Amdt., 525 Taxation
Automobiles and jewellery, 2121 Tea, 2126 Tobacco, 1984 Three Rivers
Ordnance lands, 2227 Public building) 1149 Public works employees, 141 Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 1198
Trade and Commerce Department, estimates, 344, 2263
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2388 Vice (Criminal Code Amdt.), 1705 Victory loan expenditure, 920 War expenditure, 598, 609, 879
Account of Canada with Great Britain, 901
Auditing of accounts, 905 War-time Elections Act Amdt., 2495;
amdt., 2496 Water powers, 2267 Woman suffrage, 98, 365, 675 Yukon election, 2086, 2504 Bureau of Statistics. See Dominion Bureau Burnham, Mr. John H. (West Peterborough) Adjournment instead of prorogation, advisability of, 2313, 2254 Civil Service Act Amdt., 1879 Civil Service law, administration of, ques. 2242
Government appointments, 1305, ques. 1481 Not by examinations, ques. 2101
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Woman suffrage, 98, 669 Zinc bounties, 2500
Calder, Hon. J. A. (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)
Immigration and Colonization Department Agents, 2270 Bill relating to, 103 J Estimates, 205, 2269 Labour, and, 1040 Policy of. 2272
Labour bureaus, control of, 1043 United Canadian Insurance Company, 2391 Camp Borden, purchase of land, 1937, 1959 Camp Hughes, employment of Hon. Senator Sehaffner at, ques. 2240 Campbell, Mr. J. A. (Nelson)
Budget, 1541 Copper mining, 1546 Farm implements, free, 1541 Northern Manitoba, 1544 Soldiers and homesteading, 255 Titles, 2364
War taxation, 1541	'
Yukon election, 2076 Amendment, 2097
Canada and the War, 1951. See War Canada Food Board. See Food Canada Grain Act, estimates, 2263. See Grain Canada Registration Board, 25, 903, ques. 1979
Regulations, 998
Canada Temperance Act, expenses, 2521 Canadian Associated Press, ques. 631
. Canadian Aviation Fund, ques. 1481. See Army
Canadian Daily Record, 891, 915, 920 Canadian Explosives Company, ques. 465, ques. 1099
Canadian Government Railways
Branch lines, 2542 Coal for, ques. 871
Employees, ques. 206. See Civil Service Equipment, 1918, 2166. See Railway equipment
Estimates, 2538
Halifax disaster, 2166
Hudson Bay Railway,-2167
Ice contract, Mulgrave, ques. 876
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For individual government railways, see their titles
Canadian Northern Railway
Finances
Assets, ques. 570, 2002 Claims against, ques. 970 General statement by acting Minister of Finance, 1711
Shares, acquisition of, ques. 971 Government policy concerning statement by.Prime Minister, 1994 Mount Royal city, ques. 1480 Toronto,- Niagara and Western Railway Company. See that title Canadian Northern Railway Company Bill (Indebtedness). Res., 1421. lr., 1694. 2r„ 1913. Com., 1913, 1994, 2102.	3r„
Canadian Northern Ontario Railway Company Bill, lr., 377. 2r., 464. Corn., and 3r„ 969
Canadian Nurses, heroism of, 157
Canadian Patriotic Fund
Statement by Sir Herbert Ames, Hon. Secretary, 1292
Zwingle, Mrs., case of, 70 Canadian Patriotic Fund Act Arndt. Bill, lr., 2064.	2r., Com., 2199.	3r., 2209
Canadian Railway Association for National # Defence, work of, 2006 Canadian War Memorial Fund, 1195'
Canadian War Mission, 31, 54, 905 Canadian War Record. See Canadian Daily Record
Canadian War Records Office, 2127, ques. 2241
Canals, 1963, 1970, 2167
Inland deep waterway, 2219 Tolls, abolition of, 1964 For individual canals see their titles Canning and packing houses. See Agriculture; Meat and Canned Foods Act Cannon, Mr. Lucien (Dorchester)
Breeding animals, distribution of, 151 Chasse, Mr. Noel, ques. Ill Civil Service Act Amendment, 722 f Dorchester
Mail contracts, ques. 115 Postmasters in, ques. 113 Telephone lines, 1172 External affairs, 847 Income tax, 2151 Inland Revenue
Employees, ques. 114 Estimates, 151
Labour Department, report by Mr. O'Connor, 204
Cannon, Mr. Lucien-('on.
Nichols, Mr., Director of Public Information, 922
Overseas forces, 923
Patronage, Naval Service Department, 14S Pilots, 373
Prohibition, Dominion-wide, ques. 1362 Quebec disturbances, 431
Lavergne, Mr. Armand, affidavit of, 434
Quebec
Mail service, ques. 2397 Post office, ques. 113 Public buildings, 1142 Re-arrangement of departments, 77 Rividre Ouelle-Murray Bay service, 360 Royal Naval College, 358 St. Lawrence -dredging, 369 Securities, provincial and municipal, sale of, 128
Sevigny, Hon. Mr., ques. 206 Soldiers' civil re-establishment, 626 Taschereau, Mr. Alleyn, ques. Ill War expenditure, 921-926 Yukon election, 2092 Cape Island district, smallpox in, 1131 Caraquet and Gulf Shore Railway, 2173, 2177, 2542
Carillon-Grenville canal, 1967 Carter, Mr. Samuel, M.P.P.. ques. 1362 Carvell, Hon. F. B. (Minister of Public Works)
Belanger vs. The King, 2508 Caraquet and Gulf Shore Railway, 2543 Electric power, 1069 Georgian Bay Canal, 1836 Intercolonial Railway, 2031
Fire caused by locomotive, 2187 Military Service
Farmers, exemption of, 958 Regulations, 956
Navigable Waters protection, 464, 562, 730. 2476
Parliament buildings, new Construction, 737, 1100, 1109 Decoration, 1104 Fire protection, 1110 Heating, 1102 Tower, 1101 Public Works
Architects, Horwood and Ewart, 142 . Department, estimates and salaries, 141, 1410, 1138 Dredging, 1169 Dry docks, 1116 Engineers, 144 Lake Erie ports, 1167 Ottawa
O'Connor street building, proposed, 1110
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Civil Service-Con.
Retirement (superannuation), 2312 For departments} see their titles Civil Service Act Arndt. Bill. Res., 694, 701, 703. lr., 723.	2r., Com., 1721, 1732,
1768, 1809, 1847.	3r., 2141.
Amendments proposed:
(1)	Mr. Bureau, 2129; lost on div„ 2130'
(2)	Mr. E. Lapointe (Mr. Parent), 2134, lost on div., 2137
(3)	Mr. Currie, 2138; ruled out, 2139 Senate amdts., 2477
Civil "Service Federation of Canada, circular from, 1768
Clark, Mr. Hugh (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for External Affairs) Printing Committee Report, 2478, 2549 Clark, Mr. Michael (Red Deer)
Budget, 1573 Canada Pood Board, 229 Canadian Northern Railway, 2107 Civil Service Act Amendment, 712, I860, 1862
Daylight saving, 175 Direct taxation, 1575 Experimental farms, 2294 Fuel, 772
Government railways, revenues, 692 Income tax, 1580 Tariff, 1574
Union Government, 1573, 1576 Yukon election, 2095 Clarke, Mr. W. A. (North Wellington) Military service, 1602 Clements, Mr. H. S. (Comox-Alberni)
Alien labour, 973 Fish canning, 797
French Canadians, conscription of for labour, 976
Clergymen as immigration agents, ques 1203 Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, estimates, 2519
Coal. See Fuel; Mines Cockshutt, Mr. W. F. (Brantford)
Budget, 1408 Canada Food Board, 234 Canadian Northern Railway, 1410, 1721 Civil Service Act Arndt., 1725, 1821, 1824, 1827, 1863, 1866 Farm implements, 1416 Fruit classification, 2248
General election, list of candidates sent to soldiers, 898-899, 906 Hay, 1085 '
Housing to protect morals (Criminal Code Arndt.), 1708
Moving picture films, duty on, 1681 Pensions, 2485
Cockshutt, Mr. W. F.-Con.
Railway situation in Canada, 2051 Shipping facilities, 2260 Soldiers, assigned pay, etc., 888 Tariff issue, 1413 Taxation, 1408
Income, on, 1686, 2148 Tea and coffee, duty on, 1681 Woman suffrage, 101 Coffee, tax on. See Customs Cold storage, meats in, ques. 1302 Committees. See House of Commons and individual titles Companies Act Amdt. Bills
(1)	No. 65 (Mortgages and Hypothecs),
lr., 968.	2r., Com., 1076.	3r., 1176.
Senate amdts., 1695
(2)	(Various particulars), lr„ 2128.	2r„
, Com., 2256.	3r., 2374
Compensation for Injuries to Government Employees Bill. Res., 677. lr„ 679. 2r„ Com., 810.	3r., 834
Concurrence, 2549
Conference of Provincial Premiers, ques. 287 Connaught rifle range, ques. 1981, 2195 Conscription. See Military Service
Labour, of. See Labour; Alien Labour in Canada
French Canadians, of, 976 Shipyards, employees of, 1118 Conservation, Commission of, estimates, 228, Consolidated Mining and Smelting Company. See Zinc
Cooper, Mr. Richard C. (Vancouver South) Alien labour, 977
Civil Service Act Amendment, 1734 Labour, enlistments from, 978 Copp, Mr. A. B. (Westmorland)
Budget, 1510
Civil Service Act Amendment, 2139 Daylight saving, 168 Experimental farms, 2293 Farm implements, 1515 Fish hatcheries, 282 Fisheries, 377
Overseers and guardians, 2,1 Fuel, 786
Government employees, compensation for injuries, 811, 821, 828 Government railways Intercolonial
Branch lines, 2183 Patronage on, 2140 Provident fund, 2169 Lobster hatcheries, 282 Military service, 1515 Militia
Cadets, 853
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Aliens and alien labour, 1006, 1020, 1694 Budget, 1643
Canada Pood Board, ques. 1361 Canadian Northern Railway, 2102 Indebtedness, 1425
Canadian Press report of speech, 1693 Censorship regulations, 1837 Civil servants overseas, civil pay of, 864 Civil Service Act Amendment, 1734, 1768, 1777, 1786, 1792, 1799, 1803, 1811, 1825, 1833, 1855, 1893, 1951 Amendment proposed, 2138; ruled out, 2139
Deputy Speaker, 75
Food, 1660
Foreign trade, 1658
Free agricultural implements, 1648
Fruit containers, 2249, 2252
Gouin, Lieut., 862
Government employees, compensation for injuries, 810
Great War Veterans Association, 915 Habeas Corpus, resolution regarding suspension of, 2385
Inspection and Sale Act Amdt.
Portland cement, 1230 Standard weights, 1227 International Bridge and Terminal Company, 1732
Journals and Votes and Proceedings, consolidation, 2313 Manufacturing industry, 1648 Meat and canned foods, 790 Military Service
Farmers, representations from, 2388 Quebec, in,
Appeals to Central Appeal Judge. 1978 Exemptions, 1252 Overbeck, patent of, 739 Oxford, election, 914 Permanent corps, 863
Printing of public documents, ques. 972 Printing, Joint Committee on, report of, 1691
Quebec disturbances, 239
Notice of motion for adjournment of House"! 380
Withdrawn temporarily, 336; withdrawn, 463, 863 Railway equipment, 553 Railway situation in Canada, 1653, 2047 Returned soldiers, Government positions for, 1736 Soldiers
First division, on leave, 891 Parliamentary candidates, 886 Sickness of on leave, ques. 971 Votes of, 2404
Currie, Mr. John A.-Con.
Tax on automobiles, 2122 Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 1196, 1198, 1477
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2392, 2394
Currie, Miss M., ques. 1302 Customs
Agricultural machinery, duties and drawbacks on, ques. 872, ques. 1203 Department
Dager, Herman J., ques. 2242 Estimates, 1065	*
Staff and salaries, 148, 1059 Farm machinery, collections on, ques. 465 Farm tractors, collections on, 54, ques. 467 Helena, motor-boat, ques. 2101, ques. 2241 Inquiry in Norfolk county, ques. 287 Port Hastings, collector, 1063 Preventive service, salaries, 1065, 1066 Revenue cruisers, 1066 River Port, N.S., officer at, ques. 1200 The Pas and Dauphin, revenue of, ques. Ill
Customs Act Amdt. Bills
(1)	Temporary control of imports and exports, (No. 16, Sir Robert Borden). Res. 81. lr„ 82. Bill withdrawn, 1767
(2)	Revenue (No. 81 Mr. A. K. Maclean).
Res. 1262, 1675. lr„ 1690.	2r., Com..
2142.	3r„ 2245
Dager, Herman J., ques. 2242 Dairying. See Agriculture
d'Anjou, Mr. Joseph E. S. E. (Rimouski) Bradbury, Hon. Senator, ques. 1128, ques. 2397
Budget, 1537
Grand Mere post office, ques. 1481 Quebec disturbances, 452 Taschereau, Mr. Alleyn, ques. 2398 Woman suffrage, 660
Davidson, Mr. A. L. (Digby and Annapolis) Soldiers' vote, 2420 Yukon election, 2095, 2327
Davis, Mr. Fred L,,(Neepawa)
Alien labour, 991 Budget, 1596
Civil Service Act Amdt., 1796, 1803 Daylight saving, 169 Indian lands, 1052
Trade and financial conditions, 1596 War taxation, 1597
Daylight Saving Bill, lr., 50.	2r., 157-197.
Com., 244.	3r., 337
Amendment Bill, lr., 1692. 2r„ Com., 3r„ 1913
Debates Committee, 106
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Beaverbrook, Lord, ques. 50 Budget, 1500
Civil Service Act Arndt., 710, 717, 1780, 1798, 1876, 1889, 1900 Director of Public Information, ques. 57 Economy in Government, 140 Employment offices, 1030 Food
Canada Food Board, 217 Production, 1501 Waste, 200
Imperial Munitions Board, 58 Labour Department, staff^ 1031 Military service, exemption of farmers, 1502
Pension Commissioners, ques. 51 Privy Council Department, staff, ques. 466 Railway equipment, 549 Registration, 1507
Returns of last general election, 1366 'Seduction (Criminal Code Arndt.), 1697, 1701
Supreme Court Act Amendment, 530 War expenditure, 560 Woman suffrage, 94, 101 Yukon election, 2069
Amendment proposed, 2321 De Wolf, Mr. Harry C., ques. 1071 Diamonds, importation of, ques. 631 Dickson, Mr. W. H., appointment, 1835, 2127 Dillon, Capt. Gerald, ques. 568, 889, 1897 Dimock, Lieut. Bertram, ques. 1842 Director of Public Information, ques. 57, 699, 706, 719, 891, 896, 1302
Divorce, jurisdiction of provincial courts In, 2065
Dogs (sheep protection), 1055
Doherty, Hon. C. J. (Minister of Justice)
Age of Consent. See Criminal Code Alien labour, 1017 Anti-loafing, 2387 Arichat, Judge at, salary of, 2517 Austrians, Interned, 1020 Belanger vs. The King, 2509 Bills of Exchange, 2383, 2477 Camp Borden, purchase of land, 1945 Canadian Patriotic Fund Act Arndt., 2064, 2199, 2202, 2206
Children, moral protection of. See Criminal Code
Civil Service, appointments, 2527 Companies Act Arndt., 968, 1076 Criminal Code Amdt., 1193, 1696, 2492 Dominion Police, 2536
Belanger, resignation of, 2518 Drunkenness, habitual. See Criminal Code Election, documents in, 972, 1304
Doherty, Hon. C. J.-Con.
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, 2526 Gaming-houses. See Criminal Code Judges Act Amdt., 1836 Mail contracts, 2529 Rural mail carriers, 58 Military Service
Detention, alleged unlawful, 1176, 1367 Draftees, leave of absence, 1175 Enforcement, 1131
Exemption papers, confiscation of, 1367 Military police, 2387, 2517 Tribunals, 2512
Ministers' visit to Washington and New York, 1176
Motor cars, theft of. See Criminal Code Naturalization Act Amendment, 968, 1077 Parliament buildings, fire claims, 2548 Penitentiary Act Amdt., 129, 1176-1191 Post Office.
Department
Estimates, 2528, 2548 Vacancies, 2535 Mail contracts, 58, 2529 Quebec disturbances
Dominion police, action of, 2517 Lavergne, Mr. Armand, 737 St. Charles river works, 2509 Seduction. See Criminal Code Soldiers, returned, 1182 Soldiers' votes, 2459
Supreme Court Act Amdt., 240, 520, 537, 2198
Yukon election, 2083, 2085 ^
Dominion astronomical observatory, 2218 Dominion Bureau of Statistics Bill. Res. 337, lr., 339.	2r., 803. Com., 808.	3r., 834.
Senate amdts., 1695
Dominion Canners' drawbacks, ques. 287-Dominion Elections Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 1193
Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks Act Amdt. Bill, Res., lr., 82.	2r., Com.,
85.	3r., 241, 336	,
Dominion Lands Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 55.	2r.,
249. Com., 250, 257, 343.	3r., 520.
Senate amdts., 1695 Dominion Lands and Parks, 2221 Dominion notes in circulation, ques. 334 Dominion Police, estimates, 2536 Belanger, resignation of, 2518 Inspector Military district No. 4, ques. 630
Dominions Royal Commission, 1074, 2265, 2540
Dorchester county
Mall contracts, ques. 115 Postmasters in, ques. 113 Telephone lines, 1172
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Elections. See also Army; Soldiers' Votes; Dominion Elections Act; War-time Elections
Anti-Unionist candidates, ques. 2237 Chambly-Vercheres, documents, 972, 1394, 1618
De Wolf, Harry C., employment, ques. 1071 L'Assomption-Montcalm returning officer, ques. 1302, ques. 1482, ques. 2238 Oxford, 914 Renfrew, South, 884 Returns, general election, 1366 Returning officers, payments of, 2512 Soldiers' votes, sending of candidates' names to England, 906 Yukon. See Yukon election
Electrical Development Company. See Toronto, Niagara and Western
Electricity, export to United States, 1069. See Water powers
Elevators, terminal, 2263 Elgin and Havelock railway, 2542
Elkin, Mr. Stanley E. (St. John City and Counties of St. John and Albert)
Fuel, 323 Hay, 78
Temporary control of imports and exports, 81
Zinc bounties, 2500 Employment offices. See Labour Estimates. See titles of departments, and subjects
E'thier, Mr. J. A. C. (Laval-Two Mountains)
Military service
Deserters and draftees, alleged band of, 632
Exemption of farmers, 1252 Net public debt, ques. 1364 Tobacco culture, 2297
Euler, Mr. William D. (North Waterloo) Budget, 1622 Daylight saving, 179 Excise, collection of, 1068 Farm tractors, ques. 467 Fuel, 1166
Immigration agents, 2270 Jaffray, Mr. J. P., ques. 2241 Meat, inspection of, 797 Parliament buildings, new, 1109 Port Dover harbour, 1166 Pringle, Mr. R. A., K.C., ques. 868 Production, 1626 Rural mail contracts, 2534
Euler, Mr. William D.-Con.
War expenditure and taxation, 1624 Woman suffrage, 98 Zinc bounties, 2502
Excise. See also Inland Revenue; Taxation Berthierville, officers at, ques. 113 Collection, 1068
Duties, changes (Budget), 1261 Liquor, seizure at St. Lambert, ques. 1127 Officers' salaries, 1066 Exhibitions. See Agriculture Explosives 1099, ques. 1128, 2197
Fafard, Mr. J. Fernand (L'lslet)
Agriculture, appropriations for, 1601 Budget, 1598
Forestry battalion officers, ques. 2399 Military service
Farmers, exemption of, 1600 Quebec, attitude of, 1601 Production, 1598 Railway equipment, 558 Spirit Lake experimental form and detention camp, ques. 744, 2293
Fallon, Bishop, ques. 1304	*
Visit to front, ques. 2238 Farm labour. See Labour; Military Service Farm machinery. See Agriculture Farmers' delegation. See Military Service Farran's Point, canal employees, ques. 568 Feltzen South, breakwater, 1155 Fenian Raid pensions, 2519 Fielding, Hon. W. S. (Shelburne and Queen's) Auditor General, 137
Business of the House, lack of opportunity for discussion, 2527 Camp Borden, land purchases, 1948 Canadian Government Railways, suspense account, 683
Cape Island, Nova Scotia, smallpox in, 1131 Civil Service Act Arndt., 706, 712, 1860, 1866, 1903, 2136
Customs duties on Government imports, 1062
Daylight saving, 190
Divorce, jurisdiction of provincial courts, 2066
Employment offices, 842, 1029, 1042 Fish in cans, weight of contents, 1212 Fisheries Commission, 274 Government employees, compensation for injuries, 816	*
Government railways Provident fund, 2170 Revenues, 683, 686 Harbours, obstruction of by ice, 359 Judges and income tax, 1686, 2161
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Inspection of exports and imports, 1057 Prices, fixing of. 1331 Quebec, production in, 1550 Vegetables, sale of, regulations, 77 Waste, 200
Forests, W'aterways and Water Powers, Committee on, 107
Forestry corps and medical service. See Army
Forrest, Mr. T. M., ques. 1077 Fortier, Mr. H. A. (Labelle)
Budget, 1462	'
Firewood, sale of, 1220 Military service Administration of, 2384 Conscription of labour, 1464 Exemptions, 1253 ,
Leave of absence for seeding, 1475 Production, encouragement of, 1462 War expenditure, 900 Woman suffrage, 634 Fort Willi am harbour, 1125 Foster, Rt Hon. Sir George E. (Minister o( Trade and Commerce)
Bounties, lead and crude petroleum, 22G3 Burchard, Dr., report of, 2399 Bureau of Statistics, 337, 803, 1695 Canada Pood Board, 212	,
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1865 Daylight saving, 157, 193, 244, 1692 Eggs, sale, regulations, 1210 Farmers, delegation of, 1912 Film service to advertise Canada, 2267 Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, 2523, 2536 Food containers, 1211, 2254 Fuel, 782
Controller's office, 12
Gold an,d Silver Marking Act Arndt., 634, 966
Grain, milling values of, 2399 Hay, inspection, 78, 1078, 1132, 2198 High Commissioner's office, 2542 Imperial Conference, 1982, 2554 Insurance Act Arndt., 1205 Military service Administration of Act, 2384 Bank clerks, leave of absence, 2383 Farmers, exemption of, 1912, 2388, 2553 Milk, sale, regulations, 1214 Orders in Council, concurrence in, 2382, 2479
Pensions Commissioners, 2520 Pensions, 2520, 2550

Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir George E.-Con. Pietou-Magdalen Islands steamship service, 68
Portland cement, 1221, 1231 Post Office Department, administration of, 2513
Railway Act (consolidation), 2493 Registration, 2555 Salt, shortage of, 1983 Soldiers' vote, 2256, 2471 Steamship services. See that title Terminal elevators, 2263 Titles, 2352 Trade
Development of, 2260, 2262, 2267 France, with, 2257 Russia and Japan, with, 2258 Trade and Commerce Commissioners, 2257 Department, estimates, 343, 2210 Water powers, Canadian, fdm exhibitions, 2268
Foster, Mr. Thomas (East York)
Alien labour, 1000 Camp Borden, 1962
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1732, 1762, 1797 Daylight saving, 248 Meat and Canned Foods, 792 Portland cement, 1222 Toronto harbour, 1120 Woman suffrage, 658 Fournier, Mr. C. A. (Bellechasse)
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1825 Patent Medieine stamp tax, ques. 871, 1992 Quebec disturbances, 454 Woman suffrage, 637
Fowler, Mr. Robert, Post Office Department, 1983, ques. 2241
France, trade with, 2257
Franchise. See War-time Elections Act;
Military Voters' Act; Woman Suffrage Fraser, Mr. Evan E. (Welland)
Daylight saving, 168 Fruit containers, 2252 Woman suffrage, 650
Fraserville public building, rental ques. 1202 Freight cars. See Railways French Canadian Brigade, 1194, 1927. See Army
French Canadian Ministers, appointment of, ques. 207
French Canadians, conscription of for labour, 976	.
French religious and the war, 43 French river dam, 1166 French treaty, ques. 1481
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Canadian, and Canadian routes, ques. 1362 Milling values, 2399 Granby post office, ques. 870 Grand Mere
Dam, ques. 2240 Post office, site at, 1481 Grand Trunk Railway
Government acquisition of, ques. 2242 Sir Clifford Sifton, and, ques, 2242 Grand Trunk Pacific Railway
Acquisition of, statement by Prime Minister, 2004
Aid granted to, 1996 Graphite, flake, ques. 631 Great Britain, steamship service, 2210 Great War Veterans Association. See also Army
Alleged election activities, 909, 915 Petition of, aliens, 977, 982 Representation, on Pensions Board, 2520 Green, Mr. Robert F. (West Kootenay)
Alien labour, 996 Zinc bounties, 2498 Grenier, Capt., ques. 1841 Grosse Isle quarantine station, 1145 Guthrie, Hon. Hugh (Solicitor General) Bankruptcy Bill, 1691
Yukon election, 1835, 2209, 2315, 2321, 2505 Motion for adoption of report, 2315 Habeas Corpus writs. See Military Service Resolutions regarding suspension of, 2385 Habitual Drunkenness. See Criminal Code Amendment
Halifax
Harbour, cost of, ques. 1126 Quarantine station, 1138 Halifax, Canso and Guysborough steamship service, 2211 Halifax disaster, 32, 858 Claims, 2397
Reconstruction, ques. 1362 Relief Commission. See Halifax Relief Halifax Relief Commission Bill, lr., 2064. 2r„ Com., 2196. 3r„ 2198 Halladay, Mr. Howard H. (Bow River) Daylight saving, 245 Fuel, 771
Post offices as labour bureaus, 1029 Hamilton, Mrs., ques. 1481 Hanna, late Dr. A. E., 3
Hants county, revising barrister, ques. 2237 Harbours. See Public Works Harman, Mr. Charles, ques. 208
H arrison, Mr. C. R. (Nipissing)
Trades unions and aliens, 2547 Hay. See Agriculture; Inspection and Sale Hay, Mr. Thomas (Selkirk)
Alien labour, 1014 Civil Service Act Amdt., 2137 Daylight saving, 163 Railway equipment, 550 Woman suffrage, 644 Helena, motor-boat, ques. 2101, ques. 2241 Henders, Mr. Richard C. (Macdonald)
Budget, 1591
Civil Service Act Amdt., 1855 Farm labour, supply of, 2382 Food containers, 1214 Fruit, inspection and sale, 2249, 2252 Indian lands, 1051 Portland cement, 1224 Tariff reduction, 1593 Union Government, 1592 High Commissioner for Canada, office, ques. 971, 2541
Hocken, Mr. H. C. (West Toronto)
Alien labour, 994 Budget, 1553
Civil Service Act Amdt., 1738, 1806, 1834, 1853, 1859
Daylight saving, 166
French Canadian Ministers, appointment, ques. 207 Fuel, 756
Judges' salaries, tax on, 2158, 2160 Orange Order in Canada, 1553 Post Office Department-Mr. Fowler, 1983 Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 1198
Horses. See Agriculture, animals
Hospitals. See Military Hospitals Commission
House of Commons. See ulso Speaker; Deputy Speaker; Parliamentary Procedure
Business of the
Adjournment instead of prorogation, advisability of, 2254, 2313 Adjournments
Ascension Day, 1618, 1691 Easter, 83. 157
Mondays for Government orders, 877, 1026
Morning sittings, 1419 Order of, 1026, 2310, 2374 Prorogation, date of, 2382 Saturday sittings, 1419
Wednesdays and Thursdays for Government orders, 156 Wednesday evening sittings, 156
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Chamber, acoustic properties of, 84, 2479 Committees, select standing, 3, 12, 104, 329, 1071, 1175
For individual committees see their titles Decorum-at adjournment members to keep their places until Mr. Speaker has left the Chair, 518
Deputy Speaker. See that title Discussion, lack of opportunity for, 2527 Elections. See that title Employees, yearly increase in salary, 329 Estimates, 2519
Internal Economy Committee, 11 Members	.	,
Deceased, tributes to,- 3, 932 New, introduction of, 1475 Return of, 236
Yukon, for, 236, 2382 Officials Appointments
Debates Reporters and Translators.
See Dickson, Gabard, Chevassu Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms, 3, 329 Sergeant-at-Arms, 3 Secret' Session. See Parliament Speaker. See that title Speaker's quarters in new buildings, 1105 Vacancies, 562, 1071
Votes and Proceedings, and Journals, consolidation of, 2313, 2388, 2519
Housing, .protection of morals. See Criminal Code Amendment
Hudson Bay Railway, 2167
Hughes, Sir Sam (Victoria, Ont.)
Allison, Col. J. Wesley, 890, 896 Alpine Club of Canada, 2228 Army corps, 1305 Auditor General, 136, 600-601 Expenditure of, overseas, 1916, ques. 1481 Relatives of in Government service, ques. 1200
Son of, position of, 1731 Budget, 1482
7Camp Borden, purchase of land, 1943 Canadian Daily Record, 918 Civil servants, civil pay of enlisted, S64, 2386
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1739, 1777, 1863, 1868, 2136
Colonization, 147, 614 Democracy vs. autocracy, 1482 Director of Public Information, 896 Domestic and foreign loans, 1489 Egg imports, 791 Farmers, delegation of, 1912 Financial conditions, 1485
Hughes, Sir Sam-Con.
Flooded lands in the West, 259 Flying Corps, Canadian, proposed, 1368 French Canadian brigade, 1934 Fruit containers, 2251, 2253 Hay, fraudulent sale of, 1081 Highways alongside railways, 82, 85 House of Commons, Chkmber, acoustics off 84, 2479
Imperial Conference, attendance of Prime Minister, 1619
Imperial War Graves Commission, ques. 331
Johnson, Mr. Main, 2282 Judges, retirement of, 240 Lavergne, Mr. Armand, 863, 895 Mail contracts, 2529 Medical service-Dr. Bruce, 1368 Military service Administration of Act, 2384 Exemption of only son, 1366 Ministers and re-election, 77 Moving-picture films, purchases, 1676 Munitions, 1486 Officers, salutes to, 621 Ordnance land at Three Rivers, 2227 Overseas Militia Department, 1488 Overseas service
Army corps and divisions, recommendations as to, 879
Canadian officers, replacement of, 596 Canadian troops, authority over in England, 600
Soldiers, pay of, 601 Uniforms, 602, 603 Pensions, 2481
Private secretary to President of Council, 2279
Quebec disturbances, 407
Registration board, 1487
Returned soldiers, employment of, 1183
Royal Flying Corps, 1368
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, 30, 614
Titles, 510
Trent canal, 1966
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2389, 2391 War
Men, raising and saving of, for, 1492 Progress of German offensive, 107 Water-powers, development of, 1070 Woman suffrage, 97 Zinc bounties, 2501
Hunt, Mr, A. B. (Compton)
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Production, encouragement of, 1620 Sherbrooke, breeding animals at, ques. 870
Hunt, Donald, ques. 1480, 2275 Hydro-Electric Commission, 1199, 1355 Icebreakers, 358
Identification of traders in German goods, Bill. lr„ 1836
Idleness, Order in Council prohibiting, 377.
Immigration and Colonization
Agents, 2270
Clergymen as, ques. 1203 Belgium, 2272 Chinese, 2272 Department
Estimates, 2269
Jaffray, Mr. J. P., ques. 869, ques. 2241 Private secretary, 2273	_
Staff and salaries, 204 Labour, and, 1040
Immigration and Colonization Bill. lr„ 56.
2r., Com., 103.	3r„ 129
Imperial Conference and Imperial War Cabinet, ques. 2239, 2244, 2539 Attendance by Canadian Prime Minister, 1619, 2554
British embargo oh Canadian cattle, ques. 565
Motion for correspondence, 1982 Imperial Mineral Resources Bureau, 760, 2539
Imperial Munitions Board
Ammunition inspection, ques. 465 Construction of ships by, 346, 350 Lists of soldiers' dependents, copying of, ques. 58, ques. 1201 Munitions at Beloeil, 1099
Imperial War Graves Commission, ques. 331
Income War Tax Amendment Bill. Res., 1684. lr., 1691.	2r„ 2143. Com., 21432161.	3r„ 2245.
Senate amendments, 2492
Income War tax, ques. 467 Incubators, purchase of, ques. 1301 Independence of Parliament. See Salaries Act	.
Indians. See also Indian Act Amendment Agents
Crdolted Lake, 2232 Commissioner W. M. Graham, 27, 1050 Department of Indian Affairs, estimates, 2232
Dogs, taxation of, 1055 Enfranchisement of, 90 Illegal celebrations of, 1056
Indians-Con.
Property devised by will, 1046 Witness, as to, 1047 Provinces, in
Nova Scotia, 2235 Ontario, 1056, 2235 Quebec, 2235
Northwest provinces and territories, 2236 Purchase of live stock for, 27 Reserves	.
Caughnawaga, 2235 Cultivation of, 1048, 1053 Crooked Lake, 2232 Increased production on, 27 Sarcee reserves, 1054
Indian Act Amendment Bill, lr., 932.	2r„
1046. Com., 1046-1056.	3r., 1076
Indian Point, postmaster at, ques. 876 Industrial disputes. See Labour
Industrial Disputes Investigation Act Arndt. Bill, lr., 564.	2r., 835. Com., 835-841.
3r„ 878
Industrial Reconstruction Association, 1034 Industries, non-essential, 992 Inland Deep Waterway, memorandum re economic route, 2219
Inland Revenue. See also Budget; Taxation; Excise Department
Chass§, Mr. Noel, ques. Ill Employees, ques. 114 Estimates, 149
Taxation, patent medicine stamp tax, ques. 871, 1991
War stamps, cost in connection with, 1067 Weights and measures, 1068 Inland Revenue Act Arndt. Res., 1263, 1677. lr., 1690.	2r., 1984. Com., 1984-1991.
3r., 1991
Insolvency. See Bankruptcy Inspection and Sale Act Arndt. Bills
(1)	Vegetables, eggs, food containers, firewood and cement. (No. 19, Sir George Foster). Res,, 77. lr., 88.	2r., 1205.
Com., 1205-1231, 2254-2256.	3r., 2256
(2)	Hay and Straw (No. 20, Sir George
Foster). Res., 78. lr., 88.	2r„ 1078.
Com., 1078-1099; Com., 1132-1137.	3r.,
1176.
Senate amendments, 2198
(3)	Fruit, fruit marks and potatoes (No. 108, Mr. Crerar). Res., 2209. lr., 2210. 2r., 2245. Com., 2245-2254.	3r., 2254
Insurance
Department, estimates, 134 War, premiums, ques. 1361
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Indian reserves, 2236
Labatt, Colonel, ques. 51
Pension, ques. 1201, ques. 1981 Pension Board, appointment to, ques. 1201 Connection with Major-General Mewburn, 1692
Resignation of, 2520 See also Pensions
Labour. See also Alien After-war conditions, 1033 Agricultural, shortage of, 1549. See Military Service, farmers Bureaus
Canada, in, 1030 Control of, 1043
Duplication of, 1033. See also, under this head, Employment; Exchanges Capital, relations with, 1037 Chinese in British Columbia, 1002, 1005 Conference of, ques. 875, 984 Department Estimates, 829
Secretary to Minister, ques. 1129 Staff and salaries, 197 O'Connor, Mr. See that title 'Employment
Offices, organization and co-ordination of, 841, 842, 1028, 2546 Victoria, B.C., at, ques. 1479, ques. 1978 Enlistments of, in overseas forces, 978	[DOT]
Exchanges
Appropriation for, 1028 Private and municipal, 1039 Fair wages and inspection officers, 831 Farm, scarcity of, 954, 2382 Fishermen, wages of, 2546 French Canadians, conscription of, for, 976 Gazette, 829-830 '
Halifax, claim of workmen at, ques. 2397 Reconstruction work, ques. 1362 Immigration department, and, 1040 Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 831 Industries, in non-essential, 992	'
Man-power, 982, 988 Oriental, in Canada, 973-1026 Technical education, 1034 Trade unions, 1010, 2547 Strikes and difficulties
Montreal, Marine trades, 2314, 2385 Sydney mines, 203 Winnipeg, 2236, 2385, 2546
Lachine canal, 1967 Lady Grey, steamer, ques. 466 Lafortune, Mr. D. A. (Jacques Cartier) Budget, 1662
Lafortune, Mr. D. A.-Con.
Liberal party record, 1671 Montreal exhibition, 1667 Patronage, 1666 Prisoners, enlistment of, 1671 Tobacco, tax on, 1987, 1989
Lake Erie ports, 1167
Lalonde, Mr. Frederick, ques. 1842
Lalor, Mr. Francis R. (Halidmand)
Business profits tax, 1687
Lanark
Election. See War-time Elections Vacancy in, 562
Lanctot, Mr. Roch (Laprairie and Napier-ville)
Hay, inspection, 1078, 1095, 1134 Lanos, late Professor J. M., 2518 Lapointe, Mr. Ernest (Kamouraska) Advances to provinces, ques. 208 Civil Service Act Arndt., 1858, 1905, 2134 Conservation Commission, 2288 Customs Department expenditure, 1065 Food Board, legal adviser to, ques. 466 Geodetic survey, 2220
Government employees, compensation for injuries, 677, 814, 827
High Commissioner's office, lack of Frenchspeaking employees, 2541 Imperial Conference, 2539 Indian lands, 1047, 1054 Johnson, Mr. Main, 2283 Light-keepers' salaries, 371	.
Military service Exemptions,. 1252 Marriage after July 6, 1917, 1421 Quebec disturbances, 401 Ministers of the Crown, their number and responsibility, 844 Patriotic fund, 2203 Piuze, Colonel, 597
Post Office Department, administration, 2515
President of the Council, private secretary to, 2275
Riviere du Loup steamship service, 2214 Ste. Anne de la Pocati6re, experimental station, 2290 Seduction, 1701
Soldiers' civil re-establishment, 628 Titles, 504
War-time Elections Act, 2496 Woman suffrage, 97 Yukon election, 2078, 2334, 2506 Amendment proposed, 2338 Lapointe, Mr. L. A. (St. James)
Civil Service Act Amdt., 1885 Food controller, 52
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Seven Islands steamship service, 70 Transcontinental railway-Quebec shops, ques. 1362
Lead, bounty, 2263, 2477 Lebel, Mr. Nazaire, ques. 877 Leduc, Mr. J. Alfred (Westmount-St. Henry) Daylight saving, 179 Hay, inspection, 1082 Military service
Evasions, alleged, ques. 2399 Exemptions, 1540 Oleomargarine, ques. 286 War expenditure, 609 Leger, Mr. A. T. (Kent, N.B.)
Buctouche public building, 1138 Daylight saving, 171 Intercolonial branch lines, 2184 Kent county public works, 1161, 1169 Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe (Maisonneuve, Gaspe)
Aeroplanes, presentation, ques. 740 Alien labour, 979 Anse aux Beaufils, 1162 Anse aux Gascon, 1162
Anti-loafing, returned soldier in prison, 632 Aylesworth, Sir Allen, 913 Baie de Chaleur steamship service, 2213 Bfland, Hon. Dr., M.P., release of, 1910	[DOT]
Belgium, immigration from, 2272 Belleville-Prince Edward Bridge Company, 1837
Correction, Mr. Richardson, 2195 Bernier, Capt., 152	.
Bird life, protection of, 2223 Budget, 1560; Orange Order in Canada, 1561; French in Canada, 1562; financial conditions, 1565; St. Charles river works, 1567; tariff, 1568; Union Government, 1569; Conscription of farmers, 1570; visit of Ministers to England, 1572
Cable rates, 356
Camp Borden, land purchasest 1937 Canadian Aviation Fund, ques. 1481 Canadian Northern Railway, 1426,	1428,
Canadian Daily Record, 913 Caughnawaga reserve, 2235 Civil servants, enlisted, civil pay of, S64, 1886
Civil Service Act Arndt., 698, 701, 705, 1773, 1790, 1801, 1809, 1831, 1851, 1867, 1873 De Celles, Mr., 1767, 2519 Deep Waterway, 2219 Director of Public Information, 897 Divorce, jurisdiction of provincial courts, 2065
Dominions Royal Commission, 1074, 2265
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe-Con.
Electric power, export of, 1069 Employment offices, 841, 1033 Farm implements, duties on, ques. 50 Finance Department employees, 134 Financial conditions, 1565 Fishing bounties, 283
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, allowance to, 2524
Forestry corps, 1175
France, trade with, 2257
French Canadian units, 1252
French in Canada, 1562
French treaty, ques. 1481
Fuel, 316, 758
Gaspfi
Harbours, 359, 1162, 1165 Transportation, 66, 2185 Gouin, Lieut., 862
Government employees, compensation for injuries, 818 Halifax disaster
Avoidance of explosions elsewhere, 132 Relief Commission, 2196 House of Commons	[DOT]
Notices of motion postponed, 1027 Undue haste, 2528 Estimates, 2519
Private Bills, suspension of rules, 1846 Imperial Conference, 2259, 2540 Round Table Club, 2556 Imports and exports, control of, 81 Income tax, 240, 1686, 2245 Indians, money of bands, 1047 Industrial disputes, 836
Industrial Reconstruction Association, 1034 Intercolonial railway, case of Paradis, 2180 Judges' Act Arndt., 1836 King vs. Belanger, 1567, 2375, 2507 Labour _
After-war conditions, 1033 Bureaus, 841 Department
O'Connor, Mr. W. F„ 199 Laprairie wharf, 1164 Lightkeepers' salaries, 371 Dong Sault power development, 732 Magdalen Islands Harbours, 1165
Steamship service, 67, 283, 2212 Medical service and forestry corps, 1175, 1305
Military service Exemptions, 1843
Farmers, conscription of, 1570, 1912 Tribunals, 2512 Milk supply, ques. 872 Ministers, visit of to England, 1572 Montreal and Quebec harbour commissioners, 152
Moving picture films, tariff on, 1675
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Naval discipline Bill, 843 Naval wrecking plants, 364 .
Navigation, aids to, telephones, 375 Newfoundland steamship service, 2210	"
Newsprint and mechanical wood pulp, export, ques. 57
Orange Order in Canada, 1561	.
Oyster culture, 271 Parliament buildings Claims for fire damage, old buildings, 2548
Construction, 1103 Pictures for, 1104 Patriotic fund, 71, 2201, 2199 Pensions, 2520 Perce wharf, 1162
Postmaster General, position of, 2513 Prison reform, 131 Public works, economy in, 1140 Pulpwood limits on Dominion lands, 261 Quebec bridge, 1975
Quebec harbour, Champlain dock, 1116 Quebec (province) harbours in, 1165 Quebec public works, engineer, 1143 Railway equipment, 53^, 547, 557, 559, 729 Refrigerator cars for fish, 278 Rivi6re Ouelle-Murray Bay service, 360 Royal Flying Corps, 931
Enlistment in at Quebec, 1367 St. Charles river works, 1567, 2375, 2507 St. Lawrence route, insurance rates, 367 Salmon fishing, motor boats, ques. 970 Salt, shortage of, 1983 j Securities, provincial and municipal, sale of, 115
Seduction (Criminal Code Arndt.), 1701 Sevigny, Hon. Mr., 1767 Shipbuilding, 344, 1118 Simcoe, steamer, 367 Soldiers' civil re-establishment, 628 Soldiers' land settlement, 2228, 2230 Soldiers' votes, 914 Sorel, McCarthy estate, 370 Supreme Court Act Amdt., 241, 523, 531, 2198
Tariff, 1568
Technical education, 1034 Titles, 508
Tobacco,"tax on, 1988 Toronto postmaster, 2527 Trade, foreign, 2259 Union Government, 1569 Victory loan, ques, 2398 War
Economy, and, 1140 Expenditure, 560, 902 Water power, development of, 1070 Long Sault, 732 Winnipeg strike, 2236, 2546
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe-Con.
Wireless telegraphy, 354 Woman suffrage, 652 Zwingle, Mrs. Wineas, claim of, 70 Lennoxville, farm, ques, 743, 2295 Lesage, Mr. J. E. (Hoehelaga)
Belanger, Mr. J. A., ques. 630 Income, tax, ques. 467 Military Service
Medical examinations, ques. 564, 1540 Police inspector M.D. No. 4, 630 Reward for arrest of deserters, ques. 467 Woman suffrage, 671 LeSueur, Mr. W. S„ ques. 1302 Lethbridge postmaster, ques. 1072 Letter carriers, salaries of, ques. 1302 Levis county
Hay, purchase of in, ques. 740 Military service officials, ques. 570 Lewis, Mr. J. H., ques. 1072 L'Heureux, Major J. T. N., ques. 2242 Library of Parliament. See Parliament Life-saving, 357 Lighthouse service, 371 Lignite, experiments, 2546 Loafing, 377, 2237 Loans. See also Finance Due dates of, ques. 741 Foreign and domestic, ques. 334 Lower Ardoise post office, ques. 1841 Loyal Orange Order, 460, 1434, 1553, 1561 Jackie, Mr. H. A. (Edmonton East)
Alien labour, 1004 Cigars, duties on, 1678
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1750, 1794, 1821, 1849, 1867, 1885
Moral protection of children (Criminal Code), 1706
Quebec disturbances, 418 Railway situation in Canada, 2021 Mackie, Mr. Herbert J. (North Renfrew) Martin, Col., 887
Maclean, Hon. A. K. (Acting Minister of Finance)
Banks
Excess circulation, 738 Hours (Bills of Exchange), 2478 Budget, 1253; revenue, 1254; expenditure, 1254; war expenditure, public debt, trade, immigration, exchange, 1255; victory loan, 1256; financing war and trade, 1257; taxation, income tax, 1260 Business of the House, 2310 Business profits war tax, 1682, 2142 Canadian Government Railways, suspense account, 684, 690
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Canadian Northern Railway, indebtedness, 3,421, 1427, 1694, 1711, 1915, 2120 Civil service, war bonus to Outside, 2547 Civil Service Act Arndt., 694, 715, 1721, 1757, 1772, 1786, 1803, 1847, 2329, 2136, 2138, 2477
Customs tariff, 1675 Debt, 1255
De Celles, Mr., 2519 Exchange, 1255 Excise, revenue from, 1677 Finance Department Estimates, 133
Government buildings, care and cleaning of, 133
Financing war and trade, 1257 Immigration, 1255 Income tax, 1685, 1689, 2143, 2245 Insurance Act Arndt., deposits, 867, 2476 Newspapers, payments to, 2128 Outside service, war bonus to 2547 Railway equipment, 541, 543 Revenue, 1254
Securities, provincial and municipal, sale of, 123
Supply-interim vote, 84 Taxation, 1260
Tobacco, tax on, 1985 Trade, 1255
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2393 Victory loan, expenditure, 680, 920, 1256 War expenditure, 1255 War revenue, 1679, 1991, 2121 Zinc bounties, 2310, 2498, 2503
Maclean, Mr. W. F. (South York)
Alien labour, 987 Canada and the war, 1951 Daylight saving, 171 Mail contracts, 2549
Military service-delegation of farmers, 1912
MacNutt, Mr. Thomas (Saltcoats)
Military service Draftees, ques. 969
Enrolments and exemptions, ques. 564, ques. 1617
Railways, observation and private cars, ques. 335	[DOT]
War tax on farm implements ques. 1204
McCoig, Mr. A. B. (Kent, Ont.)
Animal contagious diseases, 801 Budget, 1310
Daylight saving, 162, 337 Farm implements, 1311 Meat and canned foods. 794 Production, 1312 Tariff questions, 1310 Tobacco, tax on, 1366, 1986, 1988
Budget, 1525
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1899 Daylight saving, 184 Government advertising, ques. 1072 Industrial disputes, 837 Livestock industry, 2379 Military service, 1526 Newsprint, 1526
Public Works Department, overmanning of, 1141
Railway equipment, 553 Railway situation, 1533 St. Lawrence dredging, 370 Sherbrooke post office, employees, ques. 876 McCurdy, Mr. F. B. (Parliamentary Secretary of the 'Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment)
Alien labour, 997
Registration of man and woman power, 998 Soldiers' civil re-establishment, 2516 McGibbon, Mr. Peter (Muskoka)
Civil servants, enlisted, civil pay of, 865 Civil Service Act Arndt., 2134 Daylight saving, 169 Soldiers' civil re-establishment, 2516 Soldiers' land settlement, 2229 War
Expenditure, 610 Museum, national, ques. 1979 McGibbon, Mr. Peter Robert (Argenteuil) Experimental farms, 2297 McGregor, Mr. Alexander (Pictou)
Fuel, 776
McIntosh, Mr. J. C. (Nanaimo)
Alien labour, 1005 Mclsaac, Mr. James (Kings, P.E.I.)
Budget, 1368
Canada and the war, 1369 Prince Edward Island Car ferry, 1373 Harbours, 2546 Position of, 1371 Railway, 1374, 2172 Steamship service, 1371 Trade and financial conditions, 1369 McKay, Mr. W. P., ques. 1977 McKellar, J. C„ ques. 1129
McKenzie, Mr. D. D. (Cape Breton North and Victoria)
Alien labour, 1023 ' Arichat, judge at, 2517 Auditor General, 140 Bait, cold storage of, 279 Barrington's Cove wharf, 1154 Budget, 1375; trade and financial conditions, 1377; Victory loan, 1381; tariff changes under Liberal government,
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1383; war profiteers, 1390; report of Mr. O'Connor, 1393.
Camp Borden, land purchases, 1959 Canadian Niagara Bridge Compapy, 1453 Civil Sendee Act Amdt., 1763, 1819, 1822, 1831, 1881, 1899
Conservation, Commission of, 2288 Daylight saving, 191,' 245 Dominion Lands Act Amdt., 250 Dry docks, 1117 Experimental farms, 2291 Finance Department, travelling expenses, 136
Firewood, inspection, 1220 Fisheries inspectors, 270, 273, 282 Fruit inspection, 2250 Fuel shortage, 324 dace Bay harbour, 2545 Harbours, rights and responsibilities of Dominion in, 1121 Hay. inspection, 1097, 1133 Immigration and colonization, 103 Income tax, 2145 Judges' salaries, on, 2155, 2158 Intercolonial Railway, 2191 Branch lines and extensions, 2192 .Tamesville breakwater, 1155 Liquors, illicit, '1989 Little Bras D'Or. dredging, 1169 Lobster hatcheries, 282 Lower Ardoise post office, ques. 1841 McGinnis, case of, 1972 O'Connor, Mr., report of, 1393 Patent Record, 2289 Pensions, 2491 Portland cement, 1223 Preventive officers, dismissal of, 151 Printing, public, 135 Public servants, conduct of. 2277 Public works Caretakers, salaries, 1139 Upkeep, repairs necessary, 143 Railway situation, 1378 Ross Ferry -wharf, 1158 St. John harbour, 1115 Supreme Court reports, printing of ques 1980
Sydney Mines, labour difficulty, 203 Tariff changes under Liberal government 1383
Telegraphs and telephones, 1172
Trade and financial conditions, 1377
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2392
Victory loan, 1381
War, the, progress of, 1958
War profiteers, 1390
War-time Elections Act Amdt., 2495
Woman suffrage, 100
McKenzie, Mr. D. D.-Con.
Yukon election, 2070, 2324, 2505
McLennan, Dr., work of (Scientific Research), 2267	'
McMartin, John, M.P., the late, 932 McMaster, Mr. A. R. (Brome)
Alpine Club, 2227
Budget, 1265; taxation, 1266; trade and finance,1267; Canadian Northern Railway, 1269; national revenue and expenditure, 1269; business profits tax, 1271; production, 1272, 1280; free farm implements, 1274; Canadian military service, 1275; tariff issues, 127S Canadian Government railways, 689 Civil Service Act Amdt., 697 Customs Department, overmanning, 1059 Daylight saving, 178, 246, 248 Fisheries exhibit at Toronto, 280 Flags on public buildings, 1065 Food packages, contents marked, 1058 Fruit classification, 2247, 2250, 2254 Fuel, 775
Soft coal, railway rates on, 1973 Government employees, compensation for injuries, 678, 828 Immigration agents, 2270 Johnson, Mr. Main, 2277 Milk products, prices, 2300 Mortgages and hypothecs, 1077 Naval Discipline Bill, 724 Patriotic fund, 2204 Public officials, conduct of, 2280 Seduction (Criminal Code Amdt.), 1701 Ship building, 351 Soldiers, returned Arrest as loafers, 2387 Homesteading, and, 254 Soldiers' votes, 2464 Taxation, 1266 . Automobiles, on, 2i22 Business profits, 1683 Cheques, on, 1067 Excise, ad valorem basis, 1985 Income, 1687, 2146, 2149 Matches, 1993 Parlor car seats, 1991 Patriotic fund, and, 2204 Playing cards, 1993 Tea, 2125 Titles, 486, 2348
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2393 Woman suffrage, 662 McMasterville munitions factory, 1099 McQuarrie, Mr. W. G. (New Westminster) Civil Service Act Amdt., 1828, 1849, 1853, 1858, 1864, 1869, 1877 Privilege, report in Journal-Press,- 1910 Daylight saving, 169


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French Canadian brigade and units, 927, 1935
Medical rervice and forestry corps, 1176, 1305
N. C. O's., promotion of, 865 Royal Flying Corps, 931 Labatt, Col,, pension of, 1692 Military service
Ages 20-22, procedure in calling up, 1248 Exemptions, 1252, 1539 Farmers, of, 1027 Leave of absence -Seeding, for, 1366, 1475 Medical examinations, 1306, 1540, 1694 Men medically unfit, 1076, 1130 Militia Council, report, 563 Militia Department
Estimates-salaries, etc., 559, 850, 865, 2518
Quebec Sisters of Charity orphanage, 84
Ross rifle factory, 929
Royal Flying Corps, 931
Small-pox in Cape Island district, 1131
Soldiers	.
Returned, alleged imprisonment of, 1367 Treatment of on transports, 73 Separation allowance and assigned pay, 64, 888
Zwingle, Mrs., case of, 72 Soldiers' civil re-establishment, 611, 619 War appropriation, general statement by Minister, 560
Expenditure, 578-593, 601-610
Michaud, Mr. Pius (Restigouche and Mada-waska)
Edmundston post office, 1138 Firewood export, ques. 113 Government employees, compensation for injuries, 811, 834 Indian, white widow of, 1047 Kent House as hospital, ques. 2102 Military service, Quebec officials, ques. 1978 Steamship services, 2213 Van Buren Bridge Company, 80, 268, 339, 518
Middlebro, Mr. William S. (North Grey) Government employees, compensation for injuries, 815
Victoria Crosses to C.E.F., 288 Migratory Bird Act, administration, 2223
Military and Naval Defence Bill. See War
Appropriation Act
Military Hospitals Commission. See also Army, Medical Service Expense, 903	„
Incubators, purchase of, ques. 1301
Military Hospitals Commission-Con.
Kent House, use of as hospital, ques. 1SS43, ques. 2102
Laval No. 6, ques. 631
Orpington, ques. 971
Port Arthur, ques. 466
Quebec, lease of property, ques. 465
Ste. Anne de Bellevue, ques. 1303 .
Soldiers, si k while on leave, ques. 971
Military Service. See also Army; War Administration of Act, 2384 Limit of 100,000, ques. 1481 Prime Minister's statement, 24 Quebec, in. ques. 108 Allies, arrangements with, ques. 1071 United States, 33, 52 Amendments
General statement by Prime Minister, 1248
Appeals. See under this head, Exemptions Bank clerks, leave, 2383 Classes, 938 Dental corps, 2398
Draftees and enlistments, ques. 464, ques.
564, ques. 969, ques. 1127, 1175 Enforcement Arrests, ques. 287
Convictions, Brault and Swan, ques. Ill, 1075
Desertions, 1248
Presumed deserter, arrest of, 1075 Detention, alleged^ unlawful, 1176, 1367 Draftees, alleged band of, 632 Evasions, 960, ques. 2399 Habeas Corpus writs in Montreal^ ques. 739
Order in Council No. 3348, release of men under, ques. Ill Police, ques. 109 Military, 2387, 2517 Over-zealous action alleged, 1130 Quebec disturbances. See that title Self-inflicted wounds, ques. Ill Soldiers, returned, alleged imprisonment, 1367
Enrolment, cost per man, ques. 1361 Exemptions, appeals and tribunals Berthier, ques. 1843 Bonaventure, ques. 2239 Expenditure, ques. 331, ques. 565, ques. 1838
Exemptions, 564, 960, 1127, 1538, ques. 1617
Claims for, number of, ques. 1127 Temporary, 873
Judges, payment of, ques. 1073, 1839, 2512 Chicoutimi and Lake St. John, ques. 2397
St. Hyacinthe, ques. 466
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Papers, alleged confiscation of, 1367 Physical unfitness for, ques. 1617 Tribunals. See also under' this head, Exemptions
Appointments to by Minister of Agri-* culture, ques. Ill Brackville, ques. 2238 Central Appeal Judge, ques. 1840 Office and staff of, 331 Quebec appeals to, ques. 1878 Local, ques. 740, 288
Pretended influencing of decisions of, 1843
Purported exemption by ages, 20-22, 1538 Vacancies on, ques. 630 Farmers, and, 943, 958, 1027, 1275, 2388, ques. 2398
Delegation of, 1837, 1911, 1936, 19$4, 2196,. 2550
Drafts, calling up of, 2315 Leave of absence. See that title under this head
Number exempted, ques. 564 Fishermen, and, 2314 Hardships under, 2128 Leave of absence, 1076, 1175 Appeals, ques. 56 Bank clerks, 2383
Boards, Tucker, Mr., appointment of, ques. 331, ques. 873 Seeding, for, 1365, 1475, 2384 Medical examinations, ques. 564, ques. 873, 1540, 1693 Boards, 1306 Pay of, 112
Officers, for overseas, of, 2101, ques. Revision of, ques. 1071 Naval Service Department, application to, 2384 Officials
Kingston, deputy registrar, staff of, ques. 2238
Quebec, ques. 108, ques. 569, ques. 570, ques. 1841, ques. 1978 Registrars, rental of offices for, ques. 564, ques. 1073
Taschereau, Mr. Alleyn, employment of, ques. Ill, ques. 1978', ques. 2398 Orders in Council
Calling up, ages 20-22, 1248 Men married after July 6th, 1917, 1421 Motion by Prime Minister approving, 933
Agreed to, 966 Amendment proposed
(1)	Mr. Molloy, 956
(2)	Mr. L. A. Lapointe, 964
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Orders in Council-Con.
Procedure under, statement by Minister of Militia, 1248
Physically unfit men, ques. 564, 1076, 1130, ques. 1617 Provinces
Enlistment and conscription, by, ques. 1127	[DOT]
Quebec, attitude of, 944 Regulations, 878, 933 Rural drafts, calling out of, 2315 Militia Act, power of Governor in Council under, 948 Militia and Defence Active militia, allowance, 850 Defence works, engineer services, 853 Department Auditor, 138 * Estimates, 850-867 Salaries, 559
Record Branch, employees, ques. 113 Military buildings
Bury, Que., drill hall, ques. 743 Caretakers' salaries, 866 Quebec, leasing of properties at, ques. 465
Staffs, headquarters, divisional and district, 860
Militia Council, 563 Mill feeds. See Agriculture Milling industry. See Flour milling; Agriculture
Miminegash harbour, 1160 Mindheim, Siefried H., internment of, ques. 207
Mines and Minerals
Coal. See Fuel
Committee on, 106
Copper mining in Northwest, 1546
Department, estimates, 2539
Iron, production, 1325, 1465
Lead, 2263, 2477	.
Petroleum, 1479, ques. 2263
Zinc
Bounties on. See Zinc Smelters, 2311, 2502 Zinc-lead ores, experiments, 2546 Ministers of the Crown French Canadian, appointment of, ques. 207 Need of election, 849
Visit to Washington and New York, 1176 Milk. See Agriculture
Missisquoi Bay, net fishing in, ques. 109, 275 Molloy, Mr. John P. (Provencher)
Animal contagious diseases, 801 Daylight saving, 192
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Murphy, Hon. Chas.-Con.
Sifton, Sir Clifford and Grand Trunk, ques. 2242
Soldiers' vote, 2438
Southam Press, payments to, ques. 1480 Supply-interim vote, 84 Titles, 2366 Victory loan
Advertising, ques. 1203 Banks, payments to, ques. 2240 War expenditure, 559, 879 Publicity expenses, 1028 War-time Elections Act, 47 Winnipeg strike, 2385 Yukon Act Arndt., 682
Murphy, Mr. W. P., ques. 1977 Murray Bay wharf, 1165
Myers, Mr. Edward T. W. (Kindersley) Dominion Lands, homesteading, buildings, 265
Narraway, Mrs., appointment, 1744 National Parks, 2223. See Dominion Forest National Service Commission, 903
National Transcontinental Railway, 1994, 2003, 2188
Quebec shops, ques. 1362
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National War Museum, ques. 1979
Naturalization Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 968.	2r.,
Com., 1077.	3r„ 1131
Naval Discipline (Dominion Naval Forces) Act Amdt. Bill. lr„ 629.	2r„ Com.,
723.	3r., 724, 842
Naval Service
Buoy service, Maritime provinces, 366 Department, staff and salaries, 148 Dockyards, 344
H.M.C. SS. Niobe and Rainbow, 358 Life-saving, 357 Northern waters patrol, 357 Ocean and river service, 358, 366 Patrol boats and mine-sweepers, ques. 569 Radio-telegraph service, 354 Royal Naval Canadian Volunteer Reserve, 344
Royal Naval College, 344, 357 Steamers
Champlain and Bellechasse, 360 Montcalm and Lady Grey, 359, ques. 466 Wrecking plants, 364
Navigable Waters Protection Act Amdt. Bill.
lr., 464.	2r„ 562., Com., 730.	3r„ 735.
Senate amdts., 2476
Navy, Ottawa enlistments in, ques. 2398
Nesbitt, Mr. Edward W. (North Oxford) Canadian Northern Railway, 2119 Civil Service Act Amdt., 1728, 1877, 1885 Gasolene, price of, 2123 Hay, inspection, 1082 Homesteading, dower of widow, 254 Income tax, 2150 Oleomargarine, 297 Parliament buildings, 1109 Patriotic fund, 2205 Soldier candidates, 912 Soldiers' land settlement, 2229 Titles, 2355
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2391
Woman suffrage, 96 Newfoundland, steamship service, 2210 News, official, publisher of, 1976 News service, transatlantic, 356
Newspapers, Government advertising, ques. 115
Payments, 1072, 2128
Newhouse, Mr. P., account of, ques. 1302 Newsprint
Industry, history of, 1526 Inquiry, ques. 1364
Mechanical wood pulp, and, exportation of, ques. 57
Restraint of competition, 1343
New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island
Railway, ques. 1364
Nichols, Mr. M. E. See Director of Public Information
Nicholson, Mr. Donald (Queen's, P.E.I.)
New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island Railway, ques. 1364
Nicholson, Mr. G. B. (Algoma East)
Alien labour, 981
Canadian Northern Railway, 2119 Children, moral protection of, 1709 Civil Service Act Amdt., 1752, 1770, 1804, 1809, 1818, 1861, 1874, 1892 Employment agencies, 1029, 1036 * Johnson, Mr. Main, 2277
Manitoulin Island wharves, 1166 Organized labour, 984 Patriotic fund, 2204 Railway equipment, 546 Railway situation, 2041
Correction of Debates report, 2314 Rural mail contracts, -2531 Seduction (Criminal Code Amdt.), 1700, 1702
Van Buren Bridge Company, 519
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New	[DOT]
Construction, 737, 1100 Committee on, 335 Decoration of, 1104 Fire protection, 1110 Heating, 1102
Speaker's apartments, 1105 Tower, 1101 Old
Fire claims, 2548
Parliamentary procedure. See also House of Commons; Speaker; Deputy Speaker Adjournment motion for discussion of definite matter of urgent public importance, 380	,
Bills, printing of in both languages, 2396 Member to vote when in Chamber, 2384 Motions joined for discussion, 973 Privilege. See that title Quorum, proceeding without, 2518
Patent Medicine stamp tax, ques. 871, 1991 Patent Record, 2289
Patriotic Fund. See Canadian Patriotic Fund
Patronage, 32, 135, 1666. See Civil Service; Intercolonial Canals, on, 1970
Peace River Crossing bridge, 2543
Pedlow, Mr. Isaac E. (South Renfrew) Agricultural fairs, 2377, 2380 Automobiles, tax on, 2124 Business profits tax, 2142 Canadian Government Railways, suspense account, 689
Carleton county, railway rights of way, 2169
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1798, 1800, 1806, 1813, 1822, 1824, 1899 Fruit marks, 2247
Government employees, compensation for injuries, 822 Income tax, 2149 Indians, rights of, 1050, 1055 Military service, vote on, pairs, 1475 Moving-picture films, 2127 Parliament buildings, construction, 1107 Postage to soldiers overseas, 2536 Renfrew, customs collector, 1062 Ross rifle, 852 South Renfrew election, 884 Theatre tickets, tax on, 2127 War taxes, and stamps, 1067, 2125 Weighing and measuring, mechanical, 1225 Pelletier, Mr. F. J. (Matane)
Daylight saving, 188 Demonstration farms, 2295
Pelletier, Mr. F. J.-Con.
Food packages, 1216 Meat inspection, 794
Penitentiary Act Arndt. Bill. Res., 55, 129.
lr., 132.	2r., Com., 1176.	3r„ 1205
Penitentiaries, annual report, ques. 2240 Pensions
Bradbury, Hon. Senator, ques. 1128, ques. 2397, 2520
Comparative tables of, 2482 Commissioners, ques. 51
Salaries and contingencies, 2520 Work, ques. 110
Committee, Special, 563, 735, 1071, 1175 Report, 2310, 2480, 2550 Fenian raid, 2519
Labatt, Col., ques. 1201, 1692, ques. 1981, 2520
Perce Rock, sea-birds, 2224
Perry, Commissioner, N. W. M. Police, resignation, ques. 877, 2286
Peterborough East registration, ques. 1480, ques. 2100
Petroleum, bounty on, 2263. See Mines Pharmaceuticals, 1991 Pilots. See Marine
Pictou-Magdalen Islands steamship service, 68
Pictou, Mulgrave and Cheticamp steamship service, 2215
Player pianos and organs. See Special War Revenue
Pointe a Elie wharf, 1167
Porter, Mr. E. Guss (West Hastings)
Soups for army use, 795 Tucker, Mr., apointment of, ques. 331, ques. 873
Port Arthur harbour, 1125
Port Hastings, customs collector, 1063
Port Hood, dredging, 1158
Ports, Lake Erie, on, 1167
Ports, use of for grain export, ques. 1362
Portland cement. See Inspection and Sale
Post Office
Deniger, Mr. J. A., ques; 1982 Department
Estimates, staff and salaries, 2513, 2527, 2548
Leases in Ottawa, ques. 874 Fowler, Mr. Robert, 1744, 1983, 2241 Hamilton, Mrs., ques. 1481 Letter carriers, salaries of, ques. 1302 Lewis, Mr. J. H., ques. 1073
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Mail contracts
Dorchester county, ques. 115 Fir Grove-Frampton, ques. 2397 Fir Grove-St. Odilon, ques. 2397 Rigaud-St. Redempteur, 742, ques. Rural, 58-86, 2528-2536 Parcel post for soldiers, 2535 Postmasters
Dorchester county, ques. 113 Dublin Shore, ques. 876'
Indian Point, ques. S76 Lethbridge, ques. 1072 Ottawa, ques. 286
Postmaster-General, Hon. Col. Blondin, position of, 2513 Post offices
Granby, ques. 870
Kingston, appointment of Mrs. Narra-way, 1744
Sherbrooke, ques. 876 Vacancies, promotion by merit, 2535
Power, Mr. Charles G. (Quebec South)
Army
Commissioned officers at Quebec, ques. 288, ques. 743
Montreal base depot battalions, ques. 332 N. C. O's, promotion of, 865 249th Battalion, ques. 466 Canadian Daily Record, 892, 918 Couillard, Capt., ques. 1841 Demobilization, 629
Grenier, Capt., ques. 1841	[DOT]
Marjeson, Major J. W., ques. 970 Marshall, Mr. James Starrat, ques. 875, ques. 970, ques. 1072 Militia organization, 851, 856, 860, 866 Militia Department, leases, ques. 465 Military Service Act in Quebec, ques. 108109, ques. 564, ques. 1841 Mindheim, Seifried H., internment of ques 207
Quebec disturbances, 422 Quebec bridge, 1975 Returned soldiers Officers, ques. 115 Employment of, ques. 333 Treatment of on transports, 73 Shipbuilding, 350 Steamers
CourCelette, ques. 286 Montcalm and Lady Grey, 359 Premiers, provincial, conference of, ques. 287 Press censorship, ques. 1842
Prevost, Mr. Jules E. (Terrebonne)
Budget, 1442 Election returns, 1450 Farm labour, shortage of, 1448 Food and food production, 1446	*
Prevost, Mr. Jules E.-Con.
Military service, 1444
Arrests of exempted men, 1130 Trade and financial conditions, 1443 Union Government, 1442 War contracts in Quebec, ques. 115 Woman suffrage, 645 Prices
Cheese and condensed milk, 1129 Fish, 2375 Milk, ques. 872
Prince Edward Island
Car ferry, 361, 362, 1373 Harbours, 2546
Maintenance of Public Works, 1160 Railway, 1374, 2170
Prince Rupert Journal, Government advertising in, 1360
Pringle, Mr. R. A., K.C., ques. 868 Printing
Government, Editorial Committee, ques. 972, 1099
Joint Committee on, 105 Report, 1691, 2478, 2549 Printing Bureau, appointments, ques. 1978 Private Bills
Miscellaneous, Committee on, 105, 1691 Suspension of rules relating to, 1766, 1845, 1950
Private Bills, discussed
Belleville-Prince Edward Bridge Company, 1837, 2195 Brazeau Collieries, 1691 British Canadian Insurance Company. See under this head, United Canadian Insurance Company
Canadian Niagara Bridge Company, 1453 Christian Community of Universal Brotherhood, 1950
Fire Insurance Company of Canada, 1950 Gospel Workers' Church in Canada, 1454, 1691
International Bridge and Terminal Company, 1732
Overbeck, O. G. C. L. J., patent, 739 Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 1196, 1478
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2313, 2388
Western Power Company of Canada, 178
Private Secretaries, 2273. See Privy Council;
Johnson, Mr. Main Privilege, questions of Blake, Mr.-Hansard report, 1366,
Currie, Mr.-Canadian Press Report, 1693 Duff, Mr. 
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McQuarrie, Mr.-Ottawa Citizen and Journal-Press, 1910
Manion, Mr.-Hansard report, 632 Mewburn, Major-General-Ottawa Citizen, 1692
Nicholson, Mr. G. B.-Hansard report, 2314 Pedlow, Mr.-Explanation as to pair, statement in Renfrew Mercury, 1475 Read, Mr. Joseph-Ottawa Citizen, 518 Richardson, Mr.-Daily Ontario, 2195 Privileges and Elections, Committee on, 104, 1835, 2067, 2315. See Yukon Privy Council, Department of the
Hunt, Donald, employment of, ques. 1480, 2275
Johnson, Mr. Main. See that title President of, special trains for, ques. 875 Staff and salaries, ques. 466, 2273
Production, increased. See Food Prohibition, 30, ques. 1073 Dominion-wide, ques. 1362 Public revenues, effect of on, ques. 335 See Intoxicating liquors Proulx, Mr. Edmond (Prescott)
Army
Casualty reports, ques. 1842 Dental corps, ques. 1202 Beaufort, Mr. E., ques. 1364, ques. 1S40 Civil Service Act Arndt., 714 De Wolf, .Mr. Harry C., ques. 1071 Dillon, Capt. Gerald, ques. 568 Egg inspectors, ques. 1201 Farran's Point, canal employees, ques. 568 Gillespie, Lieut. Col. George, ques. 2239 Hay inspection, 79
Imperial Munitions Board, copying of lists, ques. 1201
Labatt, Col., pension to, ques. 1201 Lethbridge postmastership, ques. 1072 McKay, Mr. W. P., ques. 1977 Military service Cost, ques. 1361 Farmers, exemption of, 1027 Oleomargarine, ques-. 1201 Ottawa postmaster, ques. 286 Penitentiaries, officials, 1177 Port Arthur, soldiers' convalescent home, ques. 466
Rural mail contracts, 59 Seduction (Criminal Code Amdt.), 1700 War Trade Board officials, ques. 1977, ques. 2396
Provincial and Municipal Debentures, 115, ques. 287
Provincial courts, jurisdiction in divorce cases, 2065
Provincial premiers, conference of, ques. 287
Public Accounts, Committee on, 105 Public Health, 2289 Public Information. See Director Public Servants and war bonds, ques. 742 Public service. See Re-arrangement Public Works. See also Parliament Buildings Buildings, generally, 1137-1154 Alberta, 1151 British Columbia, 1151 Heating, 1154
Maritime provinces generally, 1139
New Brunswick, 1138
Nova Scotia, 1137, 1138
Ontario, 1110, 1151
Quebec, ques. 113, 1140, 1151
Rents, 1154
Yukon territory, 1152, 1154 Department
Estimates, J.099, 1137 Salaries and contingencies, 141 Dredging
Maritime provinces, 1169 Mattawin river, ques. 568 Ontario and Quebec, 1168, 2546 Port Hood, 1158
See under this title, Harbours and Rivers Dry docks, 112, 1116, 1173 Harbours, expenditures on, ques. 970 Harbours and Rivers Alberta, 1168
British Columbia, 1125, ques. 1126, 1168 Generally, 1163 Manitoba, 1168
New Brunswick, 1115, ques. 1126, 1162 Nova Scotia, ques. 1126, 1154, 1158, 2544 Ontario, 1120, 1166 Prince Edward Island, 1160, 2546 Quebec, 1116, 1120, 1163, 2544 Saskatchewan, 1168
Leases at Ottawa for Post Office Department, ques. 874
St. Barthelemi road, dyke at, ques. 569 St. Charles river. See that title St. John harbour, 1115, ques. 1126, 2544 Toronto harbour, 1120, 2544 Slides and booms, 1173
Water storage dams on Ottawa river, 1173 Public Works Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 464.	2r.,
562. Com., 733.	3r., 735
Pullman car seats. See Special War Revenue
Quarantine stations
Grosse Isle, 1145 Halifax, 1138 Quebec (city)
Champlain market site, ques. 1362 Commissioned officers at, ques. 743, ques.
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Homesteading by soldiers, 256 Quebec disturbances, 448 Soldiers' votes, 910 Trade conditions, 1398 Woman suffrage, 95
Refrigeration Commission, ques. 875, ques. 1072
Registration. See Canada Registration Board Reid, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Railways and Canals)
Business of the House, 2382 Canals, estimates, 1963-1972 Canadian Government Railways
Branch lines, acquisition of, 2176, 2542 Intercolonial, 2539 Minister's annual statement, 2161 Operation, 2548 Patronage, 1904, 2539 Stores account, 829
Suspense account, 683 Canadian Northern Railway, 1920, 1924, 2107, 2111
Fish, refrigerator cars for, 278 Fisheries exhibit at Toronto, 281 Government employees, compensation for injuries, 677, 811-829 Quebec and Saguenay railway, 2543 Railway equipment, 538-559, 725-730 Railways and Canals Department Consulting engineer, 153 Staff and salaries, 147 Statistics, collection of, 830 Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 1196, 1476
Van Buren Bridge Company, 79, 267, 340, 518
Reid, Mr. John Flaws (Mackenzie)
Bank loans to farmers, 1334 Budget, 1333
Canada Food Board, salaries, ques. 335 Farm machinery, 1333
Duties and drawbacks, ques. 465, ques. 872, ques. 1203 Fuel, 787
Grain, milling values of, 2399 Indian lands, 1051 Production, 1333 Ridejiu canal, ques. 2241 Tomatoes, canned, 1058 Remounts, purchase, ques. 869, 904 Renfrew, South, election, 884 Reports, annual, publication of in French and English, 135, ques. 971 Representation Act, 1914, Arndt. Bill, lr., 236 Retirement of Aged and Infirm Civil Servants Bill. Res., lr., 2312 Returned soldiers. See Army
Revenue Bills. See Business Profits; Customs; Income; Inland Revenue; Special War Revenue Rhodes, Hon. Edgar N. (Cumberland). See Speaker
Richardson, Mr. R. L. (Springfield)
Belleville-Prince Edward Bridge Company, 1837, 2195 Budget, 1342
Canadian Northern Railway, 1197, 1426, 1920	,
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1751, 1851, 1857, 1872, 2131, 2139 Daylight saving, 161
Fitzpatrick, Sir Charles, allowance to, 2527 Newsprint production, 1343 Nichols, Mr. M. E., 704 Overbeck patent, 739 Public ownership of public utilities, 1354 Railway equipment, 555 Railway situation, 1349, 2027. See, wider this title, Canadian Northern . Returned soldiers, 1888 Tariff reductions prior to 1918, 1347 Tobacco, tax on, 1988 Titles, 5ff6
Amendment proposed, 2347, 2372 Woman suffrage, 640
Richibucto
Breakwater, 1161 Public buildings, 1140
Rideau canal, ques. 2241 Pretoria Avenue bridge, 1964
Rigaud-St. Redempteur mail, ques. 742 Rimouski harbour, 1165
River Port, N.S., customs officer, ques. 1200
Riviere du Loup, Tadoussac and North Shore
steamship service, 2214
Riviere Ouelle-Murray Bay steamship service, ques. 112, 360
Robb, Mr. James A. (Chateauguay-Hunting-don)
Animal contagious diseases, 802 Dairying and feeds, 312, 2298-2306 Food containers, 1212 Food control, 224, 1216 Hay inspection, 1091, 1094 Immigration bulletins-atlas, 2272	[DOT]
Inspection and Sale Act Arndt., 1208 Meat and canned foods inspection, 798 Military service, leave of absence, 1076 Nichols, Mr. M. E., 900 Portland cement, 1225 Power, exportation of, 1070 Privy Council expenditures, 2283 Railway equipment, 539, 727
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Sexsmith, Mr. John A. (East Peterborough) Bran and shorts, 2306, 2309 Civil Service Act Arndt., 1774, 1783, 1786 East Peterborough registration, ques. 1480, ques. 2100
Eggs, sale by weight, 1207 Food prices, 1208 Hay inspection, 1079, 1081 Milk, bottling of, 1215
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2295 Wood, inspection and sale, 1219, 1220
Shawinigan Falls, bridge, 731 Sheard, Mr. Charles (South Toronto)
Auditor General, 1753
Civil Service Act Amdt., 1753, 1809, 1815, 1883, 1909
Fruit classification, 2248 Johnson, Mr. Main, 2277 Railway equipment, 540 Toronto harbour improvements, 1121
Sheguindah wharf, 1166 Sherbrooke
Breeding animals at, ques. 870 Post office employees, ques. 876 Shipbuilding, 28, 1116, 1329 Labour for, 1118, 1472
Marine trades strike in Montreal, 2314, 2385
Minister of Naval Affairs, statement, 345-354 Ships' plates for, 347, ques. 744 Sifton, Hon. Arthur L. (Minister of Customs and Inland Revenue)
Customs Department Appointments, 1064 Staff and salaries, 148, 1059 Electric power, export of, 1069 Inland Revenue' Department, salaries, 149, 1066
Securities, provincial and municipal, 127 Soldiers' votes, 2470 Titles, 2351
United Canadian Insurance Company, 2393 Woman suffrage, 100
Sifton, Sir Clifford, and Grand Trunk, ques. 2242
Silver money in circulation, ques. 334 Simcoe, Canadian Government steamer, loss of Compassionate allowances, 366, 376 Simpson, Mr. Thomas E. (West Algoma) Budget, 1465
Iron and steel industry, development of, 1465
Newsprint situation, 1466
Sault Ste. Marie canal employees, 1971
Taxation of alien enemies, 1467
inolair, Mr. J. H. (Antigonish and Guys-borough)
Amherst, regiment at during election, ques. 335
Canadian Northern Railway, claims against, ques. 970
Canadian War Records office, staff of, ques. 2241
Censors and decoders, ques. 874 Civil servants, conduct of, 2278 Civil Service Act Amdt., 1815, 1855, 1871, 2133, 2290, 2535 Experimental farms, 2290 Fishermen, conscription of, 2314 Food control, expenses of, ques. 971 Fruit grading and marking, 2249 Gordon, Rev. C. W., ques. 2240 Government railways, employees, ques. 206 Heatherton, N.S., Indian agent, 2235 Helena, motor-boat, ques. 2101, ques. 2241 Ice contract at Mulgrave, ques. .876 Imperial Conference, titles, 2556 Imports and exports, temporary control of, 81
Income and profits, taxes on, 2145, 2147 Intercolonial railway, patronage, 2538 Interior Department, salaries, 2216 Lobster industry, ques. 630 Mail contracts, 2529
Naval patrol boats and mine sweepers, ques. 569
Patriotic fund, 2208 Pensions Board, 2520
Refrigeration Commission, ques. 875, ques. 1072
Returning officers, payment of, 2512 Steamship services, 2212, 2216 Taxation, cigars, 1990 Tea, 2125
Water-powers, 2269 Woman suffrage, 94
Sioux Lookout, 2175
Sleeping car berths. See Special War Revenue .
Smallpox. 1131 Smelters. See Mines
Smith, Mr. William (South Ontario)
Animal contagious diseases, 801 British embargo on Canadian cattle, ques. 565
Daylight saving, 181, 249 Soldiers. See Army
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment department, 31, 2515
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment Bill, lr., 56. 2r., Com., 610-629. 3r., 634
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Labatt, Col., pension of, 2489 Officers for overseas, medical examinations, ques. 2101
Quebec disturbances, 388 Woman suffrage, 91 Stewart, Mr. T. J. (Hamilton West)
Canadian Niagara Bridge Company, 1453 Moving-picture films, tax on, 1682 Strikes. See Labour Summerside breakwater, 1160 Superannuation. See Civil Service; Retirement
Supply Bills. See Appropriation Acts Supply, committee of, 84, 133-155, 197-205, 270-283, 343-364, 366-377, 559-562, 829832, 850-867, 1059-1071, 1099-1125, 11371175, 1963-1976, 2161-2194,	2210-2236,
2256-2310, 2375-2382, 2507-2549 For details see titles of departments and subjects
Supreme Court Act Arndt. Bill. Res., 240. lr„ 241.	2r„ Com., 520.	3r., 537
Amendment Bill, lr., 2065.	2r., Com., 3r„
Supreme Court reports, ques. 1980 Surface rights for miners, 242 Sutherland, Mr. Donald (South Oxford)
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1740, 1776, 1802, 1S10, 1858, 1887, 2134
Civil Service, Outside service, provisional allowance, 2547 Daylight saving, 182, 247 Fifth division, commanding officers, 1306 Labour, placing of, system in, 1032 Live-stock industry, 2380 Military service tribunals, ques. 630 Oleomargarine, 303 Ottawa naval enlistments, ques. 2398 Pensions, ques. 110, 2520-2521 Rural mail contracts, 1984, 2530 Soldier candidates in election, 910 Soldiers' land settlement, 2231 Titles, 2369 Sydney Mines
Labour difficulty, 203 Wharf, 1154
Sweet, Major Edmund, ques. 2399 Talbot, Col., Ex-M.P., letter to Canada Food Board, 2376
Talking machines. See Special War Revenue Tariff. See Customs
Taschereau, Mr. Alleyn, ques. Ill, ques. 1978, ques. 2398
Taxation. See Budget, also titles of taxes and taxation measures
Taylor, Mr., Indian Agent, 2232
Tea, taxes on. See Customs; Special War Revenue
Technical education, 1034. See Labour
Telegraphs, telephones and radiotelegraphs
British Columbia, 1174 Government telephones, 1153 Lower St. Lawrence and Maritime Provinces, 1174
Navigation, telephones as aids to, 375 Nova Scotia, 1170 Radiotelegraph service, 354 West India cable, 2266
" The Parasites," circulation of forbidden, ques. 1203, ques. 1839
Thompson, Lieut.-Col. A. T., ques. 2399
Thompson, Mr. T. H. (East Hastings)
Military service, calling out of men in rural districts, 1253
Thomson, Mr. Levi (Qu'Appelle)
Civil Service Act Arndt., 1785, 1791 Crooked Lake Indian reserve, 2232 Titles, 507, 2365
Three Rivers
Ordnance lands at, 2227 Public buildings, 1149 Public works employees, 141 Timber berths on Dominion lands, 262 Titles, proposed abolition of, 2556
Address to His Majesty, motion for, (Mr. Nickle), 468, 1984, 2065, 2237, 2342 Amendment, (Mr. Richardson), 506
Amendment to the Amendment, (Sir Robert Borden), 2342; agreed to on div., 2374
Tobacco, cigars, cigarettes, snuff. See Customs, Inland Revenue Tobin, Mr. Edmund W. (Richmond and Wolfe)
Belford, Major J. F., ques. 870 Breeding animals, 2301
Shipments of in Quebec, ques. 869 Cigars, tax on, 1985 Military service Exemptions, ques. 873 Medical examinations, ques. 873 Military service council, barristers employed by, ques. 1202
Minister of Labour, private secretary, 1129 O'Connor, Mr. W. F„ K.C., ques. 1303 Tolmie, Mr. S. F. (Victoria City)
Alien labour, 1002 Daylight saving, 184 Meat inspection, 791 Portland cement, 1226, 1331
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Astrophysical observatory, 2218 Employment at, ques. 1479, ques. 1978 Harbour, ques. 1126 Old post office, 1151 Victory loan, 632 Expenses, 680
Advertising, ques. 1203, 2128 Banks, payments to, ques. 2240 Report on, 1766
Southam Press, payments to, ques. 1480 Special Names Committee, ques. 2398 *Special Committee, ques. 333 Vien, Mr. Thomas (Lotbinifere)
Canadian Associated Press, payments to, ques. 631
Canadian Northern Railway, 1921, 1925 Children, moral protection of, 1704, 170S Demonstration farms, 2293 Farm labour, shortage of, 2306 Military service and enlistments, ques. 1127 Delegation of farmers, 1911, 1936, 1984, 2196, 2550
Quebec disturbances, 440, 2517 Rural drafts, 2315 Militia Department expenditure, 854 Overseas, 881, 926
Ross rifle, 929	.
Seduction (Criminal Code), 1700 Soldiers' uniforms, etc., prices, 602, 603 War, forces of the Allies, 2194 Yukon election, 2505 Zinc bounties, 2311 Votes for soldiers. See Army War Allies
Military service arrangements with, ques. 1071
United States, 33, 52, 1071, 2194 Camps and training areas, 866, 867, 1937, 1959, ques. 2240 Canada and, 1951
Canadian Daily Record, 891, 915, 920 Canadian Railway Association for National Defence, 2006
Canadian War Records office, 2127, ques. 2241
Casualties, 34
Consultation with Imperial Government before outbreak of, 928 Contracts
Province of Quebec, in, ques. 115 Deserters
Reward for arrest of, 467 Expenditure, 559, 879. See also War Appropriation Act
Statement of by Minister of Militia and Defence, 578
War-Con.
Expenditure-Con.	.
Estimate of, for 1918-1919, statement by Prime Minister, 571 Finance
Bank deposits, use of, ques. 741	[DOT]
Bonds, purchase of by public servants,
[DOT]	ques. 742
Loans, 335
Bank subscriptions to, ques. 741 Revenue. See Special War Revenue Forces
Canadian overseas, strength of, 576 French Canadian Brigade and units. See Army
French religious, part in, 43 German offensive, 83
Statement by Prime Minister as to progress of, 107
Heroism of Canadians, 157, 238 Human energy of Canada
Idleness, prohibition of, Order in Council, 377
Imperial War Conference
British embargo on Canadian cattle, 565 Insurance premiums, ques. 1361 Military Service. See that title Ministers' general summaries Minister of Militia, 578 Prime Minister, 571 Official news, arrangements for, 1976 Patriot, young, desires to enlist, 1125 Pensions. See that title Permanent militia force, enlisted, pay of, 863, 1737
Railway War Board, 2006 Recruiting, leasing of properties for, ques. 465, ques. 1202
Red Cross rules, violation by enemj% 157 Supplies Munitions
Danger from explosion of, 1099 Inspection, ques. 465, 1099 On ships, ques. 1128 T.N.T., storage at Beloeil, 1099 Printing overseas, ques. 874 Remounts, ques. 869, 904 *
Taxation. See Budget and Inland Revenue Transport and freight, 866 War Appropriation Act, 1918, ($500,000,000 for 1918-1919). Res., 463. lr„ 464. 2r., 571. Com., 879, 1027. '3r., 1076 War Council, members of, quqs. 2239 War Graves Commission, Imperial, ques. 331 War Lecture Bureau, 893 War Memorial Fund, 1195 War Mission, 31, 54, 905 War Purchasing Commission, 32
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