1916-03-20

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Annual Report of the Department of Public Printing and Stationery, for the year ended March 31, 1915.-Mr. Blondin.

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Mr. J. J. HUGHES' (Kings, P.E.I.) moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 65, to amend the Government Railways Sinall Claims Act. He said: Previous to 1910, any action for a small claim against the Government Railways, had to be brought against his Majesty the King in the Exchequer Cburt upon a Petition of Right. It that year legislation was passed enabling any person who lived along side the Intercolonial railway, who had been injured in his personal property, to bring an action up to $200 in any court of competent jurisdiction, which would mean the County 'Court. That was amended in 1913 to make the amount $500, and amended again in 1914 to enable any person bringing an action, to sue the general manager of the Intercolonial railway instead of the Managing Board. By some oversight, the original Act did not apply to the Prince Edward Island Railway. There is no doubt that the intention was to make it apply to all Government railways, but, in the Act, only the Intercolonial railway was mentioned. An action was brought in the County Court in Prince Edward Island in January of this year, and plaintiff was nonsuited for that reason. I believe the judgment was correct; legal gentlemen of knowledge and experience have informed me that the judgment in this case was sound. The object of this Bill is to extend the provisions of the Act of 1910, to the Prince Edward Island railway,
Mr. A. A. McLEAN:: T may inform the hon. gentleman that the Government are taking action in this matter, and a Bill is being prepared by the law clerk.
Motion agreed, to and Bill read the first time.



PROHIBITION OR RESTRICTION OF INTOXICATING LIQUORS.


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Hon. C. J. DOHERTY {Minister of Justice) moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 66, in aid of Provincial Legislation prohibiting or restricting the Sale or Use of Intoxicating Liquors.
He said: The purpose of this Bill is set forth in its title, but it may serve perhaps to make the explanation of its provisions clearer if, without entering at all into any argument on the subject, I should say a word or two with regard to the motives that have led to its introduction. After a careful consideration of the law and the jurisprudence upon the question of the relative powers of this Parliament, and of the respective legislatures of the province to deal with legislation prohibiting or restricting the trade in, or use of, intoxicating liquors, the conclusion was reached that the legislature of each province, in the absence of Dominion legislation, has ample power to secure to the province, within its own territory, such measure of prohibition, or restriction, as in its judgment, it deems it necessary to enact, looking at the question from the provincial point of view, and with the purpose of bringing about an abatement of such local evils as in the judgment of the legislature may result from the traffic in, or the use or abuse of, intoxicating liquors. We are satisfied that such legislation, within the limits of the provinces, would operate effectively to secure a law, binding upon all persons residing within such provincial territorial limits. That being so, it was considered that a law of the nature of one prohibiting or restricting the use of intoxicating liquors, is one whose actual effectiveness as a matter of fact, depends in very large measure indeed upon its having behind it the general or common consensus of public opinion in the community where it is sought to be applied. The provinces, having in our judgment, the power to enact an effective law-effective within their respective territories-it seems to us that a law enacted by the provincial authority would be very much more assured of having behind it the general public opin-iop of the community for which it was enacted, than it could be hoped Dominion wide legislation by this Parliament would have in the different provinces.
Upon this last question of the great desirability, indeed the necessity, of a law of this kind having behind it a strong public opinion in the community in which it is sought to be enforced, I think it would hardly be rash to say that there is general agreement among those who have given thought to the subject. It appeared to us, therefore, that in the first place, the best way to secure to each of the different provincial communities, constituting this Dominion, an effective law id Itself, and a law that would have behind it, when you come to enforce it, the common opinion of those upon whom it was to be enforced, was to leave the legislatures of the provinces, in the exercise of their powers, to enact 'such measure of prohibition or restriction, either directly, or after having ascertained the views of the people of the province, as they might deem proper; leaving it for this Parliament to protect such legislation and the enforcement of such legislation, against interference by persons outside of the particular province, and who, being so outside, would not be governed by the laws of that province. This Bill therefore proposes to enact a law forbidding the sending into any province -which has adopted a law restricting the sale of intoxicating liquors-intoxicating liquors to be used or dealt with in any manner in contravention of the law' of the province. The effect sought to be obtained is that the provincial law within the province shall not be hampered in its operation and its effectiveness by the action of persons outside of the province.
The first section of the Bill contains this prohibition, constituting it an offence on the part of any person knowingly to send into any province-where a law prohibiting or restricting the use, sale or trafficking in intoxicating liquors prevails-intoxicating liquors to be used or dealt with in any way in violation of the law of the province. Whatever may be the measure of prohibition or restriction that a province has adopted for itself, that measure will be protected from outside interference. Each province will decide for itself to what extent it desires to prohibit or restrict the sale or use of intoxicating liquor, and the legislation we now propose is for the purpose of protecting the effectiveness, within the province, of such prohibitory legislation, by preventing persons outside of the province in any manner bringing about or contributing to the bringing about of a violation within the province of the provincial law.
The second section of the Act makes provision in regard to the burden of proof necessary in order to make the prohibition contained in the first section workable and
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effective. Provision for the infliction of penalties is made in the first section.
The third section deals with the question of the place of prosecution, making an offence subject to prosecution either in the place whence the liquor is sent from, or in the place to which the liquor is sent.
The fourth section makes provision enabling, or calling upon, the court dealing with a particular prosecution, to take official cognizance of the law of the province into which it is claimed the liquor was sent for the purpose of a violation of the law of that province. This section is necessary because of the fact that a prosecution being susceptible of being brought in another province, without such a provision, the courts of the province, with which the prosecution is brouglrt, would not, or, perhaps, it would be more proper to say, might not-feel called upon to take, or justified in taking judicial cognizance of the laws of another province. The fifth section contains a (definition of intoxicating liquor, or, rather, provides that for the purpose of this Act anything shall be deemed .intoxicating liquor that is defined to be such by the law of the province into which it is charged that liquor was introduced in violation of this. Act.
As I have said, the purpose of the Act is to make effective, as against outside interference, the enforcement within each province of the law which it chooses to make for itself upon the subject of the prohibition or restriction of liquor. We believe that the effect of the Act will be to attain that purpose. We are leaving to each one of the provinces its liberty of action within the field of legislation in which it has concurrent jurisdiction with this Dominion, and we are, therefore, ensuring that such law as is passed will be so passed as an expression of the views of the community about to be immediately affected by it. We, on the other hand, supply what may be lacking in effectiveness by reason of territorial limitations upon the obligatory nature of the provincial law, a limitation, which, of course, restricts that obligatory nature in its operations to the limits of the province whose legislature has enacted the law.
Mr. MACDONALD:: May I ask the Minister of Justice what provisions are contained in this Bill in regard to its enforcement? Upon whom is placed the responsibility of enforcing it?


Mr. DOHERTY:: There is no special provision as to who shall enforce this law. We

have made it enforceable either at the place whence the liquor was sent from in a nonprohibition province, or at the place to which the liquor was sent. As regards its enforcement,. in so far as this Bill is concerned, it is left to the operation of the general laws in regard to enforcement.
Mr, MARCIL: I would like to ask the minister two questions. First, is there any provision in the Bill concerning transportation companies carrying liquor, and, second, w.hat is to be d,one in the case of a province where a municipality has adopted prohibition?


Charles Joseph Doherty: The law prohibits anybody sending, taking, carrying, or bringing into a province which has enacted a law, intoxicating liquor to he used in violation of that law. That covers carriers as well as anybody else. The other question, I understand, was regarding a municipality in a province which has adopted prohibition?


Mr. MARCIL:: Yes, for instance, in the province of Quebec 900 municipalities have adopted prohibition.


Charles Joseph Doherty: In those municipalities prohibition is in force in virtue of a provincial law. The provision of this Bill is intended to be wide enough, and I have no doubt it is wide enough, to cover the case of sending liquor into one of these districts because it is sending liquor into the province to be used, or dealt with in violation of the provincial law. It is the provincial law that makes it illegal to sell liquor in those districts, though that law comes into force cnly by the vote of the people within the district.


Mr. KNOWLES:: Is the Bill along the
line of delegating our powers to the provinces, or along the line of legislation which will come into effect on the proclamation or otherwise by the provinces? '


Charles Joseph Doherty: As I understand it, it is not within our power to delegate our powers to the provinces, and we do not propose to endeavour to do the impossible, even though it were desirable. At all events, there is no question of delegating our powers to the provinces in this legislation, fhe Bill does not provide for any proclamation being necessary in order to bring it into effect. When we enact this legislation it will be in force, and then it will simply remain for the provinces to enact whatever measure of prohibition within the province

they think proper. The moment that a province has adopted a particular measure of prohibition this Act will be operative at once, restricting the sending into that province of liquor for the particular purpose which the legislature of the province may have forbidden, or may have determined to be illegal in the province.


William Erskine Knowles: Is it not the minister's personal opinion that the first crack out of the box will result in an appeal to the Privy Council? That is my opinion.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I do not know whether anybody will question the constitutionality of this legislation. I cannot foresee whether that will be the first crack or the second crack out of the box. I put the legislation before this House with no doubt in my mind that it is quite within our constitutional power to enact, and I do not think we ought to be deterred from exercising a power which, after careful examination we conclude that we have and which we think it will be in the interests of the country to adopt, simply because somebody may go to the Privy Council to find out whether or not it is constitutional. Every law we pass is subject to that risk, and I do not think that this law is in any greater danger of a result unsatisfactory to us from such a proceeding, than any other law in which I have had a share.


Mr. CARVELL:: Are the provisions of the Bill broad enough to exclude the importation of liquors from a foreign country into a prohibition province, or does this apply only as between provinces?


Charles Joseph Doherty: Perhaps I did not make that clear. It applies to the importation even from places outside of Canada; not absolute importation pure and simple, but importation for the purpose of the liquor being used in violation of the law of the province.


Mr. PROULX:: Then the sender would be liable to prosecution?


Charles Joseph Doherty: The sender in Canada would certainly be liable to prosecution, but we cannot get at the sender if he is outside of Canada, and we do not intend to try.


Mr. SPEAKER:: I think this discussion
would be more in order when the Bill is in committee. Rule 21 says:
No member may speak twice to a question except in explanation of a material part of his speech which may have been misquoted.
I would therefore ask the House to postpone this discussion until we are in committee on the Bill.


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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.

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Bill No. 62, respecting a certain patent of Harvey Hubbell, Incorporated.-Mr. Cock-shutt.
Bill No. 63, for the relief of Mary Phyllis Lasher.-Mr. Nickle.	.
Bill No. 64, for the relief of Mabel Mills. -Mr. Douglas.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. TURRIFF:: I should like to ask the Acting Minister of Militia whether the report is true that Col. McBain has been appointed Chief Transport Officer for the Militia Department.


Mr. KEMP:: No such appointment has been made since I have been Acting Minister of Militia, nor have I heard anything about its having been made previously.


John Gillanders Turriff: Would the minister find out and let me know? Is there any truth in the report that the Minister of Militia has gone to the Old Cbuntry, and not to Florida?


Albert Edward Kemp: I will try to let my hon. friend have an answer to his question about Col. McBain to-morrow. Regarding the Minister of Militia, I have no official knowledge of his whereabouts. There was, however, a press despatch to-day saying that he had arrived in England.



MILITARY DISTRICT NO. 12-SASKATCHEWAN.

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On the Orders of the-Day:
Mr. McCRANEY:: I should like to ask the Acting Minister of Militia whether there is any truth in the report in the Ottawa Citizen this morning that the province of Sas'kachewan has been created into a military district to be known as Dictrict Number Twelve, with Regina as its headquarters. I may say that on Saturday I received the following telegram from the Saskatoon Board of Trade:
Am informed that Saskatchewan has been constituted a new military district number twelve, and have wired Sir Sam Hughes urging that on account of geographical strategic location its headquarters be established at Saskatoon. Kindly use your utmost influence to de-

sired encl. Saskatoon is surely the logical point for such headquarters.


Albert Edward Kemp: I will endeavour to let the hon. gentleman have an answer to his question to-morrow.
ILLITERATE SOLDIERS:
On the Orders of the Day:


Mr. BURNHAM:: Is the Acting Minister of Militia aware that a considerable number of our enlisted soldiers are illiterate, and that it is desirable, both in their own interest and in the interest of the forces, when they are communicating in the field, that they should be able both to read and to write. For example, in the 146th Battalion, at Kingston, there are no less than seventy-five soldiers in a class learning to read and write for the first time.


Mr. GAUVREAU:: And that is in Ontario.


Albert Edward Kemp: No report has been made to the department with regard to this matter.



PRIVATE BILLS.


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The House in Committee on Private Bills, Mr. Rhodes in the Chair.
Bill No. 29, respecting certain patents of the Pedlar People, Limited-Mr. William Smith-in Committee.
Mr. NESBITT:: Will some one who has charge of this Bill kindly explain it? This is another Bill for the renewal of patents. Why do they want these patents?


Sir GEORGE FOSTER:: As the Acting
Minister of Agriculture is not here, and as the real Minister of Agriculture is also unfortunately out of the House, perhaps it might be as well to allow this Bill to remain until another day when the acting minister will probably be here.
Progress reported,



CONSIDERED IN COMMITTEE-THIRD READING'S.

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Bill No. 46, respecting the Algoma Central and Hudson Bay Railway Company.-Mr. Boyce.
Bill No. 41, for the relief of Lena Pearl Potter.-Mr. Wallace.
Bill No. 42, for the relief of Robert Napper.-Mr. Buchanan.
Bill No. 43, for the relief of Sherwood .Norman Hill.-Mr. Douglas.
Bill No. 44, for the relief of Ida May Woltz.-Mr. Boys.

Bill No. 45, for the relief of Cecily Ethel Maude Farera.-Mr. Buchanan.
Bill No. 49, for the relief of Lillian May Dent.-Mr. Douglas.
Bill No. 51, for the relief of Harry Lome .White	Cunningham.-Mr.	Thomas J.
Stewart.
'Bill No. 02, for the relief of Henry John Thomas Wardlaw.-Mr. Wallace.

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Bill No. 57, for the relief of Nora Louise Jackson.-Mr. Douglas.

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[Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.]

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:: 1.	Did the Government, in November, 1911, invite the Prime Ministers of the provinces to facilitate the preparation of a scheme of co-operation between the Dominion and provinces, with a view to securing permanency in the flow of immigration?
2.	Was a scheme of co-operation submitted to the Government as a consequence of such invitation?
3.	Did the Government communicate to the Prime Ministers of the provinces, any of the proposals made in a special report to it as a result of the invitation to them? If so, when, and what was the nature of the proposals?
4.	In what year did the Government enter into communication with provinces with a view to greater co-operation between the Dominion and provinces, in furtherance of immigration and land settlement, and what was the nature of the definite proposals of the Government?


Mr. ROCHE:: 1.	The Minister of the Interior in November, 1911, requested Mr. Arthur Hawkes to confer with the various provincial governments on immigration matters and asked the premiers of the provinces to put Mr. Hawkes.in touch with the department concerned.
2.	Mr. Hawkes, after visiting the various provinces and the British Isles, submitted a report, which report was placed upon the table of the House of Commons in 1912.
3.	A number of copies of the report were sent to the provincial governments on the 29th of May, 1912.
4.	1912. The development of immigration and land settlement has been the subject of formal communication between the Dominion and Provincial Governments at various times since 1912, and the matter is now the subject of careful investigation by the Economic and Development Commission. In addition, at a conference of Im-

migration agents held in the city of Chicago, at which the governments of the three prairie provinces were represented, the subject of immigration was discussed quite thoroughly arid steps taken to prosecute a vigorous propaganda in the United States with a view to * securing a larger immigration from that country.


PUBLIC WORKS IN YARMOUTH COUNTY.
Mr. DUGALD STEWART:: What amount has been spent in the county of Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, for public works, wharves, breakwaters and blockings, either for new works or repairs to same, during the years 1908, 1909, 1910 and 1911, and what were the respective amounts paid for such -works?


Mr. ROGERS:: $408,652.20, as follows:
Argyle Head Wharf-
1909- 10, repairs	$	99 90
Lower Argyle Wharf-
1910-	11, construction	 2,368	48
Amiro's Hill Wharf-
1908-09, construction	 989	67
Bourque's Cove Wharf

1910-11, construction	 939	61
Bluff Head Breakwater-
1908-09 construction	
2,005	171910-11, construction	
2,215	50$	4,221	07
Eel Brook Harbour-
1910-11,	construction	 649	81
Chebogue Harbour-
1907-08,	repairs	
71	861909-	10, repairs	47 751910-	11,	repairs	
6	00
128 61
Cheggogin Point Breakwater-
1908-09, construction		998 76
1910-11, construction	 1,974 97
2,973 73
Hubbard's Point Wharf-
1907-08, repairs	 1,059 90
1910-11, repairs	 '492 75
1,552 65
Kelley's Cove Breakwater-
1908- 09, construction	 4,299 99
1909- 10 construction	 '650 85
4,950 84
Little River Wharf-
1908-09, construction	 2 000 00
Lower West Pubnico-*
1908-09, dredging	 499 97
1910-11, dredging	 1,198 64
1,698 61
Middle West Pubnico-
1908-09, dredging		500 00
Morris Island-
1907-08, repairs	 599	88
Muises Point-	.
1910-11, repairs	 1,199	48
Pinckney's Point Wharf-
1910-11, construction	 969	26
Port Maitland Breakwater-
1907-	08, repairs	
1908-	09, construction ..
1909-	10, construction . .
1910-	11, construction . .
Plymouth Wharf

1909-	10, repairs. . . . Pubnico Head Wharf-
1908-09 repairs.. . . Pubnico West Harbour- 1907-08, repairs. . .. Sanford Breakwater- 1907-08, repairs.. .. Tusket Wedge Wharf-
1910-	11, construction Yarmouth Harbour-
1907-	08, dredging. . .
construction
1908-	09, dredging. . .
construction
1909-	10, dredging.. .
construction
1910-	11, dredging. . .
construction
Yarmouth Harbour (Sallow Rocks)
1908-09, dredging	
1910-11, dredging	
Yarmouth Buildings-
1907-	08 repairs.. ..
1908-	09, construction
repairs.. ..
1909-	10, construction
repairs.. ..
1910-	11, construction _ repairs.. ..
Summary-
1909
1911
Construction. 5 9,098 49 15,985 67 7,053 65 22,509 08
Repairs. 53,309 04 572 79 1,267 63 2,173 58
554,646 89	57.323 04
. 199	61
. 1,840	54
. 4,000	73
. 1,872	89
7,913	77
. 66	41
. 499	88
. 1,000	00
. 200	00
. 6,001	28
. 26,450	64
. 9,098	49
. -135,691	88
. 1,003	76
. 88,972	54
. 1,337	46
. 92,403	16
. 341	90
355,299	S3
. 345	39
. 620	05
965	44
. 177	79
. 2,847	78
. 72	91
. 125	00
, 1,053	57
. 6,114	59
472	35
10,863	99
Dredging.	
$ 26,450	64
137,037	24
88,972	54
94,221	85
$346,682	27
Total...
Totals

1908		 $ 38,858 17
1909	
153,595	701910	
97,293	821911	
118,904	51Grand total	
$408,652	20


CHARLOTTETOWN MEDICAL OFFICERS.
*Mr. J. J. HUGHES:: 1.	Who is the Senior Medical Officer in the Charlottetown district of the Militia and Defence Department?
2.	(a) How many medical officers are there for the said district, and (b) who is the junior officer ?
3.	Who is doing the work at present, and what military position or rank does he hold?
4.	What salary or remuneration does he receive, and what privileges, if any, are attached to the position?


Mr. KEMP:: 1.	Lieut.-Colonel S. R. Jenkins (M.O. 4 Bgde. G.A.).



2.	(a) Five, (b) Captain J. W. Dorsey, A.M.C., M.O. 105th Overseas Battalion.
3.	Lieut.-Col. S. R. Jenkins, Senior Medical Officer, Charlottetown District, and assisting in examination of recruits of anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccination; Capt. J. W. Dorsey, A.M.C., Medical Officer, 105th Overseas Battalion; Civilian Practitioners-Dr. A. A. McDonald, Medical Officer attending troops at Souris; Dr. J. A. McPhee, Medical Officer attending troops at Summerside; Dr. G. A. Stewart, Medical Officer attending troops at Georgetown.
4.	The Senior Medical Officer receives pay of rank-$5 per diem. There are no special privileges. '


POST OFFICE EMPLOYEES.
Mr. BOULAY:: 1.	How many permanent and temporary employes were there on the 1st July, 1896, in the following post offices:	Montreal, Toronto,
Quebec, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Victoria, Three Rivers, Sherbrooke, St. John, N.B., and Halifax, N.S.?
2.	How many were there in the same post offices on the 1st October, 1916?


Mr. CASGRAIN:: Office.
Montreal. . . Toronto. . . . Quebec. . .. Winnipeg. . . Vancouver . . Victoria.. .. Three Rivers Sherbrooke.. St. John.. . Halifax. .	. .
On 1st	On 1st
July.	October
1896.	1916.
289	737
238	657
66	119
56	273
23	191
39	60
	8
9	20
56	72
47	71


SHERBROOKE POST OFFICE.
Mr. McCREA:: 1.	How long was the position of postmaster for the city of Sherbrooke vacant?
2.	Has a new postmaster been appointed?
3.	If so, what is his name? If no appointment has been made, why not?


Mr. CASGRAIN:: 1.	Since the 12th June, 1914.
2.	No.
3.	The deputy postmaster being competent to discharge the duties of the office and one of the applicants being on active service at the front, it has been deemed advisable not to make any appointment for the present.
DEEPENING OF St. LAWRENCE CHANNEL.


Mr. McCREA:: 1.	How many dredges were employed in the deepening of the channel of the St. Lawrence
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river between Quebec and Montreal, at what is known as Cap A La Roche, in the years 1912, 1913, 1914 and 1915.
2.	How many yards of rock, and how many yards of earth were removed each year?
3.	How much did it cost per yard for each year, respectively ?


Sir GEORGE FOSTER:: 1.	1912, 4 dredges; 1913, 3 dredges; 1914, 3 dredges; 1915, 3 dredges.
2.	1912-256,423 cubic yards shale rock cost 32.99o per cubic yard; 92,260 cubic yards hard-pan, containing numerous embedded boulders, cost 38.51c per cubic yard. 1913-366,349 cubic yard,s shale rock cost 35.28c per cubic yard. 1914-329,156 cubic yards shale rock cost 42.41c per cubic yard. 1915-174,063 cubic yards shale rock; 6,733 cubic yards hard-pan, containing numerous embedded boulders, cost, per cubic yard, for 1915 cannot be given until after the end of the fiscal year.
3.	Answered by No. 2.


FARM LABOUR.
Mr. BUCHANAN:: 1.	Has the Government been asked to assist
in securing farm .labour from the United States to meet the demand of farmers throughout Canada?	,	.
2.	If so, is it taking action in that direction and by what methods?
3.	Is the Governement aware that the Canadian Pacific railway is said to be offering special inducements to farm labourers to come to Western Canada?
4.	Has the Government information as to the number of men required for farm labour in Canada at the present time?


Mr. ROCHE:: -1. Representations have been made to the Government in this respect from various sources, but previous to the receipt of these representations the Government had-on account of conditions-undertaken to assist materially in bringing farm labourers from the United States.
2.	Yes. Advertising in 5,500 newspapers in the United States and has arranged, with transportation companies foT a one-cent per mile rate for farm labourers from international boundary to destination. The immigration agents throughout the United States have also been given full instructions in order that they might be able to assist the general movement of obtaining a larger immigration of farm labourers from the United States.
3.	In common with other Canadian railway lines, the Canadian Pacific railway is making known the special rates offered to farm labourers from the United States.

4.	The Dominion Government is accepting the estimates of provincial governments as to (Jemand for farm help.


UNOPPOSED MOTIONS FOR&quot; PAPERS.
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Mr. Papineau.-For a return showing whether the Government have taken cognizance of the following article published in the Montreal Gazette on November 1, 1915 :
" Canadian help comes from Sale of Gift Flour -Foodstuffs not needed by the English Poor were bought for Belgium Relief Funds to aid East Coast-Hon. Walter Long suggested to Canadian Government that $750,000 be allotted, and latter agreed.
"(Special cable from the Gazette's Resident Staff Correspondent.)
'"London, October 31.-' Canada's aid to the east coast towns of England, which are suffering through the war, is the subject of some misconception,' said Sir George Perley to-day. In a statement in the Commons, Hon. Walter Long said that the necessary funds for a Government scheme of help for hotel and lodging house keepers had been generously provided by the Canadian Government. This gave rise to the idea that the Dominion was taking a new step, but the fact is that no money is coming from Canada. Of the flour sent by Canada a year ago to relieve distress in England very little was distributed, as poverty was in no. way abnormal. Some 400,000 bags of this flour were transferred to the American committee for Belgian relief, which purchased them. The money paid for this flour being in the hands of the Local Government Board. Hon. Walter Long, as President of the Board, suggested to Sir George Perley that this might be utilized for the relief of the east coast towns where the season had been ruined owing to the lack of railway facilities and the disinclination of the public to visit the east coast because of the possi-biltiy of German naval or aerial raids. The Dominion Government acquiesced in this proposal and the sum of $750,000, part of the proceeds of the sale of the flour, has now been allotted for this purpose. Canada's generosity will therefore go to alleviate the distress of a large number of better-class people, who are direct sufferers from the war, instead of the destitute poor, for whom it was intended, but who, it develops, were not in need of it " ; whether the said article is accurate; if not, in what respect is it inaccurate.
Mr. Papineau.-For a return showing whether the Government is aware that the following extract from an article was published on the 12th January, 1915. in the Montreal Gazette :
" Distress caused in England by War is negligible-Comparatively small portion of Colonial Gifts used for National Relief- Much went to Belgians-War Office also took large share. Salvation Army has scheme requiring Canadian co-operation. "(Special cable from the Gazette Resident Staff' Correspondent.)
"London, January 31.-Very satisfactory evidence of the comparative absence in England of any distress caused by the war is furnished by a report of the special work of the Local Government Board arising out of the war, which was issued to-day as a White Paper. The action by Noel Kershaw, dealing with the disposition of the gifts from the colonies, shows that only a small part of the goods allocated
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has been required for relieving the distress of civilians.
" The following is the disposition of the 940,530 bags of flour received from Canada: to the local committees for the relief of distress; 90,474 to the Belgian Refugees Committee, 1,69,1 transferred to the War Office, 99,760, further offer to the War Office, 300,000 to the Belgian Relief Commission, 443,886 ; sold, owing to damage, 4,719.''
Who had charge of accepting delivery and the shipping of this flour; whether the Government have any information of the shortage of 59,430 bags of flour, alleged in said article; if not, what became of the flour that was short.
Mr. Buchanan.-For a return showing the number of horses bought for remounts in Alberta, the persons from whom they were purchased, and the amount paid for each horse.
Mr. Macdonald.-For a copy of all letters, recommendations, telegrams, reports of officials and other documents relating to the appointment of A. Kastella as mechanical superintendent of dredges, and as to his resignation from said office, and also as to causes and reasons of his resignation or removal.
Mr. Bourassa.-For a copy of all telegrams, letters, correspondence and contracts between the Quebec Harbour Commission and Benjamin Demers, of the parish of St. Nicholas, county of L6vis, concerning the purchase of the St. Nicolas quarry.
Mr. Macdonald.-For a return showing the names of the 54 Canadian officers employed in the Canadian Pay and Record Office, London, and what amounts per month are paid to each of them.	[DOT]
Mr. Buchanan.-For a return showing the reason for the delay in the establishment of the rural mail routes, reported under consideration, in the constituency of Medicine Hat; when these routes were first applied for; whether the applications possessed the required number of signatures ; whether tenders have been invited, and for what routes; why the lowest tenders were not accepted, and the routes established; whether any new tenders are being invited for these routes; whether there is a likelihood of any of these routes being operated immediately.
Mr. William Chisholm.-For a copy of all recommendations, letters, telegrams and correspondence relating to the recent appointment of a lightkeeper at Arisaig, N.S.
Mr. Bourassa.-For a copy of all telegrams, letters and correspondence concerning the appointment of Mr. Alfred Gravel, harbour commissioner of Quebec, and concerning all other candidates for the position of commissioner on the Harbour Board of Quebec, to represent the South Shore.

Frank Broadstreet Carvell: For a return showing the dates, parties, quantities and values of all contracts made by the War Purchasing Commission, so called, from its formation down to the present date.


Sir ROBERT BORDEN:: I have information with regard to this -which I have already communicated to the hon. gentleman and to the House. There is no objection to the order passing, but I assure my hon.

friend that unless the work of the department be disorganized, it will take a very-long time to prepare the return.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I can only take what the right bon. gentleman will give me.


Robert Laird Borden: I am giving the hon. gentleman everything that he has asked for so far.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

Robert Laird Borden: It was understood, when the debate on the motion which stood on the Order Paper in the name of the hon. member fox Vancouver (Mr. Stevens) was adjourned, that we should resume the discussion. If there is no objection, I would suggest that we proceed to consider that resolution now. I mention this before proceeding to make a motion to that effect, because I understood that some of the hon. gentlemen who had notices of motion on the Order Paper desired to speak to them.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have the first notice of motion on the Order Paper; it has been there since the first day of the session. It has been reached at least six or seven times during the session. I was asked first by the Acting Minister of Railways to allow it to stand, to which I consented. Then, I was asked by -the Minister of Railways on two occasions to allow it to stand, to which I consented; and again the Acting Minister of Railways asked me to allow it to stand. I always like to be courteous and obliging to the minister, hut I do not see any reason why I should be asked to allow this motion to stand until the end of the session. It is a matter of a great deal of importance to the province of New Brunswick. Further, I think I am safe in saying that so far as this
4 p.m. side of the House is concerned there was no understanding that the resolution of the hon. member for Vancouver should take precedence to-day. Unless there is very strong reason why this motion should not be proceeded with, I would feel like standing on my rights.


Mr. PUGSLEY:: I hope my right hon. friend will not press the motion to-day. The motion of the hon. member for Carleton is one of great importance, by reason of the fact that the Government of the province of New Brunswick now proposes to change all the arrangements which were

thought to have been thoroughly understood with regard to the construction of the St. John Valley railway. And the excuse is being put forward in New Brunswick that this Government has declined to carry out the arrangement which it made some three or four years ago, which was announced in this Parliament, and under which authority was taken by the Dominion Government to construct certain bridges across the St. John river, these being an essential part of the St. John Valley railway. The statement is now being publicly made in New Brunswick that it is by reason of this Government going back-


Robert Laird Borden: It is hardly
worth while to enter into the discussion of the resolution itself


William Pugsley: I am speaking of the importance of it.


Robert Laird Borden: If my hon. friend insists upon going on with his motion, I will not stand in the way; at the same time, it may be necessary for us to sit late enough to-day to give an opportunity for the further discussion of the motion which stands in the name of the hon. member for Vancouver (Mr. Stevens), and which was seconded by the hon. member for Bonaventure (Mr. Marcil).



ST. JOHN VALLEY RAILWAY.

Frank Broadstreet Carvell: For a copy of all letters, telegrams, correspondence and contracts between the Department of Railways and Canals or any official thereof, including the officials of the Intercolonial railway, and any member of the Government of New Brunswick, the St. John and Quebec Railway Company or any official thereof, regarding the operation of the Valley Railway, so-called, in the province of New Brunswick, from the first day of October, 1914, down to the present date.
He said: This motion refers to a subject which has been debated in this House on a number of occasions during the last four or five years, but I think there has been no occasion on which it was fraught with so much importance to the people of my province as it is to-day. I am sorry to say it has been made a political football by my hon. friends opposite and their friends in the province of New Brunswick for the past six years, and now we have reached a stage in the history of the transaction which, 1 think, calls for a frank and open statement, on behalf of this Government, for the information of the people of New Bruns-

wick, who have incurred a liability of about $5,000,000, or who, purely on account of the * promise given by the Federal Government and the Federal Parliament, will have incurred a liability greater than that before the transaction is completed.
I am not going into the history of this matter to any very great extent because it has been discussed in this House on a great many occasions, and tRe condition existing is of much greater importance than the history of it. Suffice it to say, that away back in 1909 or 1910, an agitation was started in the province of New Brunswick to construct a railroad from the Transcontinental railway at Grand Falls to the city of St. John. The proposition first came from the present Minister of Marine and Fisheries who, at that time, was Premier of New Brunswick and it was that if the Dominion Government would operate this railway as part of the Intercolonial system on a 40 per cent basis, that is, by paying to the Goverment of New Brunswick 40 per cent of the gross earnings with which to secure the interest on the bonds, they would guarantee the bonds. The matter was put up to the then Government, and I think I ought to be frank enough to say that the authorities of the Intercolonial Railway objected very seriously to the proposition. They took the . ground that it was a much better proposition for the province of New Brunswick than for the Intercolonial Railway. However, it was discussed on many occasions; large delegations came from New Brunswick and we were able to convince the Prime Minister and the then Minister of Railways, and the Government generally, that it was a proposition which had merit, and which should be accepted officially. The proposition was accepted, and legislation was passed in the year 1911. It will be found as chapter 11 of the statutes of that year, and as it is very short, I shall read the whole chapter.
The Governor in Council is authorized to enter into a contract with any railway company already authorized, or which may be hereafter authorized by law, to construct a line of railway from a point on the line of the National Transcontinental railway at Grand Falls, in the county of Victoria, to the city of St. John, in the province of New Brunswick, a distance of about two 'hundred and twenty miles, the principal and interest of the bonds of which railway company, pursuant to' the provisions of chapter 6, of the statutes of the province of New Brunswick, 1910, the Government of the province of New Brunswick has guaranteed, or may guarantee, to the extent of twenty-five thousand [DOT] dollars per mile, and with the Government of the province of New Brunswick, for the leasing of the said line of railway when completed, with
its appurtenances, and for its operation, equipment, maintenance, upkeep and repair by the Government of Canada, as part of the Govem-mentment Railway system of Canada, for a period of ninety-nine years and for the payment by the Government of Canada to the said province of New Brunswick, or to the said company, each year during the said term of ninety-nine years, of forty per centum of the gross earnings of the said railway as or in the nature of rental thereof:	Provided, however, that the said contract shall be entered into only upon the condition that the said railway be constructed upon plans and specifications to be approved of by the Governor in Council upon the recommendation of the Minister of Railways and Canals, and shall be up to the general standard of the said National Transcontinental railway through the said province; provided further that the Governor in Council shall be authorized to enter into a contract, as aforesaid, for the operation of the said railway in sections, when completed and equipped as follows:
(1)	From Fredericton to Woodstock;
(2)	From Fredericton, south, 'a distance of forty miles ;
(3)	Each twenty-five miles thereafter, until the line be completed from Grand Falls to St. John.
The remaining section has reference only to the directors. That Act was passed, I think, in the month of March, 1911, and the General .Elections took place in September, 1911, which resulted in a change of Government. Almost immediately thereafter an arrangement was entered into between the present Government and the Government of New Brunswick for the construction of this road. They changed the legislation in many material respects, but I do not intend to spend very much time over that. The new arrangement was entered into in 1912, and it will be found in chapter 49 of the statutes of that year, the substantive part of the statute reviving an agreement previously made between the Government of New Brunswick and tiie Government of Canada. I wish to read from section 3 of the agreement, because that is the portion of the statute which made the agreement between the two parties, which we in New Brunswick believed they intended to carry out, and in regard to which we are finding a great deal of fault because it has not been carried out. It reads:
The Dominion hereby undertakes and agrees that as soon as the said railway is constructed and equipped to the satisfaction of the engineer or engineers so appointed as aforesaid, between Fredericton and Woodstock, the Dominion will enter into a lease in accordance with the terms and conditions herein agreed upon and to bS embodied in the said lease, and that when a further section of the said railway from Fredericton southwards towards Saint John, a distance of forty miles, shall have been constructed and equipped to the satisfaction of such engineer or engineers, the Dominion will enter into a lease thereof and operate upon like terms

and conditions as above mentioned and so on thereafter as each section of twenty-five miles of railway is constructed and equipped, the Dominion will enter into a lease thereof and operate in manner afore mentioned, and when the said whole line between Saint John and Grand Falls is fully constructed and equipped, the Dominion will lease the said line including the said bridges upon like terms and conditions for the term of ninety-nine years, it being understood and agreed that the Dominion will provide the necessary, suitable and sufficient rolling stock for the operation of the said railway and will maintain, repair and upkeep the said railway at its own expense during the whole term of the lease, such lease to contain all the usual and necessary covenants, provisoes and conditions, and the company hereby covenants and agrees to grant the said leases accordingly.	. .	, ,,
Provided, however, that the Dominion shall not be required to enter into any lease of any constructed and equipped section of the said railway which is not connected with the completed" and equipped railway from Fredericton so as to form a continuous line of railway.
I have taken some time to read that to the House, but in order to make it thoroughly plain and understandable, it is necessary to give some information as to the history of the legislation in connection with this undertaking. The (old Government passed a law providing for the operation by the Intercolonial railway of this road, when constructed. When the present Government came into power, they changed the thing, not to a very great extent, but providing also for the operation of this road by the Intercolonial, paying to the province of New Brunswick 40 per cent of the gross earnings therof, and providing also, as plain as the English language could provide, that they would enter into a lease for the operation of this road in sections as soon as each individual section was completed. The first section was to be from Fredericton to Woodstock, 62 miles, the second from Fredericton south 40 miles, and it was provided that whenever 25 miles were completed it should become a new section which the Federal Government agreed to lease and operate on these conditions. 'In order to understand the matter thoroughly it will be necessary to keep that in mind because that is the very important thing which the present Government or the present Intercolonial management, have neglected or refused to do. It is almost impossible to find out either from the Federal authorities, or from the province of New Brunswick, whether any such lease was ever entered into. I may say that my impression is, from my reading and from [DOT].asking questions-and I have asked a great .many of them both here and in New 
Brunswick-(that	no such lease has
ever been entered into although the Intercolonial Railway, as a matter of fact, has been operating certain portions of this road since about the first of January, 1915.
There is another statute referring to it which I also wish to cite 'because it plays a very important part in the matter. It is chapter 52 of the statutes of 1914. In order to carry out this work, as it was provided for, that is the road from Grand Falls to St. John, it was necessay to build three important bridges across the river St. John. The first would be at Andover in Victoria county. That bridge would not involve any very serious difficulties because the river is, I suppose, 500 or 600 feet wide, *with high banks and a hard bottom and this would simply he an ordinary piece of railway bridge construction. Two other bridges would he necessary, one across the St. John river, probably 50 miles below Fredericton or in that vicinity, and another across the Kennebecasis river a few miles from Rothesay. We do not deny that thdse are expensive bridges, but we would like to know what the Government has done, and further, we would like to find out the position of affairs, not the exact, but the probable, cost of these bridges, and the engineering difficulties, "if any there "be, in the way of carrying out the arrangement. Let that be as it may, in 1914, the Minister of Railways and Canals brought a Bill before this Parliament providing for assistance to the St. John and Quebec Railway Company for the construction of these bridges. You may remember that during that year there was quite a stir in political affairs in the province of New Brunswick over the construction of this Valley railway. Certain charges of a very grave character were preferred against members of the Provincial Government by one of the members of the Legislature. These charges were referred to a Royal Commission which investigated the matter very thoroughly and which found that certain irregularities had occurred; that the contractors had paid money to the then Premier; that something like $450,000 or $600,000 'had been added to the cost of this road improperly without authority, and for which they would have received Government bonds of the province of New Brunswick giving no returns for them had it not been for that investigation. I am not going into the details of it because it does not affect this Parliament to any great extent. It was, however, a pretty rotten mess. I was a little suspicious

about granting any further aid to the St. John and Quebec Railway Company, and I protested as vigorously as I knew how against granting any further aid to this company or to any subsidiary company for the construction of these bridges. After about three or four weeks, the Government announced that they would build these bridges themselves and if any hon. gentleman will look up Hansard he will find that I heartily commended the Minister of Railways and Canals. I told him that I believed that his department would be honest, and that these bridges would be built properly, and that both the Dominion of Canada and the province of New Brunswick would get the accommodation to which they were entitled. I shall not read the whole statute although there are only four sections in it; the important section is section 1:
The Governor in Council may build the said three railway bridges including all necessary approaches and appurtenances; and the said bridges, approaches and appurtenances shall belong to and be the property of His Majesty.
The second section provides that the minister may enter into an agreement with the Government of New Brunswick and the St. John and Quebec Railway Company for the operation of these bridges and that for the first fifteen years the province of New Brunswick and the Tailway company were to pay nothing in so far as these bridges were concerned. After the expiration of the fifteen years they were to pay a certain proportion of the earnings, but that is not very particular. The main thing is that this Parliament authorized the Minister of Railways and Canals, and this Government, to build these three bridges and we believed in the province of New Brunswick and I am of the opinion that Parliament and the Government did believe it, that it was the intention to have them constructed, and that would end the troubles which have been so rampant in New Brunswick for the last four or five years over this railway matter. I always had some doubts about the bona fides of the Government of New Brunswick with regard to this transaction. I do not go so far as to say I have any doubts . about the bona fides of this Government; in fact, I would almost take the opposite view. I believe that the great majority of the members of this Government were absolutely bona fide in what they were doing. I believe that they intended to operate that road when constructed
and I believe they intended to build these bridges. But the tempter has been at work very assiduously for the last three or four years and something has happened. What has happened is the very thing that I would like to find out and that is my object in discussing this motion to-day. I only wish that the Minister of Railways and Canals had been here to give us the real history of the transaction and tell us exactly what has taken place. Somehow or other there has always been a feeling in New Brunswick from the beginning, or rather from the year 1910, that the Government of New Brunswick were not sincere in the professions, in the legislation, in the contracts and in the things which they were doing regarding this Valley railway question. That is a very harsh statement to make but I know that I am voicing the sentiments of every Liberal in New Brunswick and I think I am voicing the sentiments of three-quarters of the Conservatives of that province, when I make that statement. We have always said that there was something about this that was not straight, manly and upright; that something was being held back, and that the people had been deluded and deceived from the very beginning. Those sentiments have been voiced in this House by myself and my colleagues on at least one, I should think a dozen different occasions. The Minister of Railways (Mr. Cochrane) and I have discu'ssed this matter on many occasions in this House. I have also discussed it with my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Hazen), who I notice is conveniently absent to-day. I voiced my sentiments to him in the House, and I have his pledge on Hansard in language as strong as he could possibly make it. We discussed this matter first in the House in 1912, on an amendment proposed by my hon. friend the member for Victoria and Madawaska. Before the old Government went out of power a subsidy had been voted for the building of this road from Grand Falls to St. John, and in 1912, when the subsidy was being renewed, this Government dropped off the twenty-five miles from Andover to the Transcontinental, and renewed the subsidy only from Andover to St. John. That looked very suspicious to us at the time, and we did not hesitate to say so, and practically every hon. member from New Brunswick in the House at that time spoke in the debate. We discussed it in all its moods and tenses, and told this Government that we did not think they were sincere

when they dropped that portion of the subsidy from Andover to the Transcontinental. I should like to read a portion of the discussion I had at that time with the Minister of Railways, and which is found on page 6384 of Hansard, March 28, 1911-12. After pointing out my fears with regard to the dropping of this portion of the subsidy, and saying that I did not believe they intended to carry out their pledges, I used these words:
Do you wonder that we are a little suspicious and a little in fear that the declarations of the intentions of the railway company and the declarations of the intentions of the government of New Brunswick up to last May will be carried out.
Mr. Cochrane : Have no fear.
Mr. Carvell: We have our fears.
Mr. Cochrane: Have faith.
Mr. Carvell: Perhaps, if my hon, friend knew as much about this matter as we do, he would not have as much faith as he has at the present time. It is in order to ensure the construction of this road and to put it beyond perad-venture, that I am supporting this amendment. We believe that if they are allowed to go on as they are doing, nothwithstanding the good intentions of my hon. friend, the Minister ot Railways and Canals the results may not be satisfactory. I give my hon. friend credit for having good intentions, hut he is not above temptation and I can assure him that the tempter will be so strong, that I do not believe that he, even with his forcible character, will be able to withstand him, and it is in order to remove my hon. friend from danger of that temptation, that I support this amendment.
Then, on page 6387-8, the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, after referring to these very remarks of mine, used the following language:
Now, coming to the really important question involved in this, as to the road going to Grand Falls, I am as certain as I am standing here that the road is going to Grand Falls, and I do not believe there is a particle of doubt in the mind of the government of New Brunswick but that that road is going to Grand Falls. The subsidy is voted for a road to Grand Falls, and the Government is authorized to operate the road from Grand Falls to the city of St. John, and the contract entered into in specific terms sets out that such will be the fact. The Minister of Railways has arranged the terms of the contract with the representatives of the government of New Brunswick and the company, and my hon. friend the minister will have no hesitation in telling the House that that road will be operated and built from Grand Falls to the city of St. John, and neither the New Brunswick government nor this government could tolerate for a moment a condition of affairs under which the road would be built to Andover and suddenly stop therewithout having the advantage of a connection with the Transcontinental at some point in the county of Victoria at or near the village of Grand Falls.
If it were possible for a stronger statement to have been made by a minister of the Crown, who also happened to be the

former Premier of New Brunswick who had launched this proposition, I should like to know what stronger language he could have used. It may surprise you, Mr. Speaker, that even after that forcible declaration by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries there were dpubting Thomases in New Brunswick, who did not believe that the Government of the province of New Brunswick would carry out their pledges. I do not by any means say that the Minister of Marine and Fisheries was deceiving the House, but we had not faith in the Government of New Brunswick. That was be* fore the explosion took place in 1914, but -we knew just who they were almost as well before the explosion as after, only they were not exposed to 1jiie public till 1914.


Mr. COPP:: Then they were caught with the goods.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: From the beginning of this railway project there was nothing but insincerity, delusion, and deceit on the part of the Government of New Brunswick as to what they were going to do and what; they were not going to do with regard to the construction of this important railway. I have one more citation to make before leaving that branch of the ease, and it is from the remarks of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries in the discussion that we had in the House with reference to the offer of this Government to build the bridges to which I made reference some time ago. You will find these remarks in Hansard of April 28, 1914, page 3018. Mind you, two years had gone by since the declaration of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries that this road would be built to Grand Falls; two years after he had used the words I have already quoted, namely:
Neither the New Brunswick government nor this government could tolerate for a moment a condition of affairs under which the road would he built to Andover and suddenly stop there without having the advantage of a connection with the Transcontinental at some point in the county of Victoria at or near the village of Grand Falls.
Two years had gone by. The province of New Brunswick, acting through the St. John and Quebec Railway Company, had commenced the construction of the road, and had partially constructed, about 120 miles of it. But still we did not believe that they were sincere. Coming back to this House after the charges had been laid in the Provincial Legislature, I again stated that I did not believe the Government of New Brunswick were sincere and intended to

build, the road through to the Transcontinental, and the Minister of Marine and Fisheries then used these words (page 3018):
The speech of the hon. member for Carleton might be read in two ways. To a certain class it could be said: The hon. member for Carleton is entirely, opposed to having these bridges built at all. Is the hon. gentleman sincere and candid in the statements which he has made to the House to-day? Is the hon. gentleman not still playing the game that he has played for so many years of trying to prevent the Government from coming to the aid of this road, and to the aid of the province and making provision by which these bridges shall be built and without which the rest of the road is an impossibility? The hon. gentleman has also referred to the question of the connection at Grand Falls. There is no doubt in the world that there will be connection at Grand Falls with the St. John Valley railway. The only doubt about the matter in the mind of the Minister of Railways and Canals is whether it will be necessary to build a bridge across the river and to build twenty-five or thirty miles of railway, or whether the same result can be attained without any such expenditure by obtaining running rights from Andover to Grand Falls over the existing line of railway and which, in large measure, would be paralleled if a new line were built. A year ago there was no doubt, and there is no doubt today, but that the railway known as the St. John Valley will connect at Grand Falls with the Grand Trunk Pacific and be in a position to receive from that railway western freight at Grand Falls to be hauled over the road and shipped out of the port of St. John, and also to carry freight from the port of St. John to Grand Falls.
There, again, Sir, you have the same positive, explicit declaration on the part of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries that this road would go to Grand Falls, but there was just this little difference: Two years had rather undermined the hon. gentleman's assurance because, while in 1912 there was not a particle of doubt that the road was going straight through to Grand Falls and connect with the Transcontinental, in 1914, a little doubt had ecme over the hon. gentleman's mind because he was not sure whether it would be better to construct a new road crossing the river at Andover or to utilize the Canadian Pacific railway tracks from Perth or Andover up to Grand Falls; but the one or the other would happen without the shadow of a doubt, and I was chided, as I have been chided by my hon. friend for the last five years, and the people of New Brunswick were told, as they had been told for two years before that, that I was trying to throw every possible obstacle in the way, but that, with all my obstruction and with all the obstacles that I was putting in the way of the Government of Canada, they would persevere to the end; they would
build that road; they would build those bridges; they would make the connection and they would give to the people of New Brunswick that which they had promised. them.
This story has been told in this House, in the New 'Brunswick Legislature, on the hustings of New Brunswick and in every Tory paper for so long that one would almost be forced to believe that Carvel] and Pugsley had horns and hoofs; that they did not belong to the human species; that they existed only for the purpose of preventing the construction of this road and preventing the Government at Ottawa from working out the greatest good to the greatest number of people in New Brunswick. But a great deal is to be said for the prophesies of Carvell and Pugsley and for the way in which they were able to foresee what would happen. We had no faith in the men who had charge of the matter; we did not believe they were sincere or honest; we do not believe now they are sincere or honest. The events of the last three weeks have justified our prophesies and our fears to a greater extent than have the fears of any member of this House been justified in the last quarter of a century. In the first place, the construction of this road was never justified; the province of Ntew Brunswick was never justified in putting a dollar into it nor in guaranteeing a dollar of bonds unless the original arrangement had been carried out to the letter, unless this road had gone through to Grand Falls or some other point on the Transcontinental. My own judgment is that Grand Falls is the proper point, but the road must make connection with the Transcontinental in the neighbourhood of Grand Falls in order to get through business, and, without that through business, this railway is one of the greatest political crimes that has ever been foisted upon a free country, the crime of spending over $4,000,000 of our money, and of giving us nothing but a load of debt around our shoulders in the end.
I do not mean to say that this road is not a great advantage to the country through which it passes. It is a great local advantage, but we forced the Government to build a pretty good railroad; in fact, the mechanical portion of the road, outside of the curves and grades, is very good and the expenditure of a little more money on straightening out curves and eliminating grades would make the road a very good one. But the idea of putting on the province of New Brunswick a debt which will amount to $5,000,000 when the road is completed,

and of not carrying out the general scheme , of connecting it with the Transcontinental where through business could be obtained, is unjustified from the standpoint both of the province and of the Dominion.
Under the arrangement, as I have read it from the statutes of 1911 and 1912, the Intercolonial Railway or the Government of Canada was to lease this road and to operate it, in sections at first, and as .a completed road, when it was completed, and forty cents of every dollar earned were to go back to the province. We argued that in New Brunswick and our opponents did the same, and the people of New Brunswick finally agreed to the proposition on the distinct understanding that forty per cent of the revenue of that road would go to pay the interest on the bonds, and I have no doubt that, if this road went through to Grand Palls and to St. John and made the through connection as proposed, in a short time 40 per cent of the gross earnings would be enough to pay the interest on the bonds. But instead of building the road to Grand Falls; instead of building it even to Andover and taking running rights over the Canadian Pacific railway to Grand Falls, they have built it to a place called Centreville in my constituency twenty-five miles from Andover, and there they have stopped, and it has been announced in papers supporting the Government that it is not the Government's policy to contract the railway further. They are breaking faith with a very large section of the people of the province as individuals, and they are breaking faith with the whole province collectively, because they ^re stopping just when they are in sight of that point at which they could carry on a profitable business not only for the Intercolonial Railway, but for the province of New Brunswick, and that is our greatest concern at the present time.
At the beginning of this session I asked a number of questions of the Minister of Railways, and on the 14th of February I received answers to them. I wish to read the questions and answers, which will be found on page 757 of this year's Hansard:
Mr. Carvell:
1.	What amount of money has been paid by the Intercolonial railway or the Government of Canada to the government of New Brunswick as their proportion of the earnings of the Valley railway, so-called, down to December 31 last?
Mr. Cochrane:
1,	None, but there is due to the "province of New Brunswick, under the arrangement whereby

the province was to receive 40 per cent of the gross receipts, $18,733.65, accruing during the nine months ended December 31.
Question:
2.	Has the province of New Brunswick received 40 per cent of the gross earnings of said railway since the beginning of its operation? If not, what percentage of said earnings has the province received?
Answer:
2.	No. From the commencement of operation, January 1, 1915, until March 31, 1915, the arrangement was, that the provinces and the Dominion each should bear one-half of the deficit, if any. Under this arrangement, the province owes the Dominion $2,977.51.
Question:
3.	Was an agreement signed between the two governments around the first of January, 1915, or shortly thereafter, for the operation of the said railway on what is known as the 40 per cent basis?
Answer:	.
3.	There was no formal agreement.
Question:
4.	Has a new agreement been entered into between the two governments within the last month or six weeks as to the operation of the said road and the distribution of the earnings thereof?
Answer:
4.	No.
Question:
5.	Under said new agreement what proportion of the gross earnings are payable to the province of New Brunswick?
Answer:
5.	Answered by No. 4.
Question:
6.	Did the Department of Railways and
Canals in the month of December last order the cessation of the operation of the said road to take effect on the 1st day of January instant?
Answer:
6.	Ordered cessation of the temporary arrangement which led to negotiations which resulted in the order to continue operation after January 1, 1916, on terms to be arranged.
Question:
7.	If so, what were the reasons for such order?
Answer:
7.	The non-completion of the road.
Now, Sir, you will bear in mind that I read from the statutes of 1911 and 1912 that the road was to be operated in sections; that, as each section was completed, it was to be operated. The road from Fredericton to Woodstock was completed before January, 1915. The road from Woodstock north for twenty-five miles, which would make

one section, was completed and was in operation before 1st January, 1915. The roach from Fredericton south, the next section, which, under the statute, should have been forty miles, I confess, was only carried to the length of thirty-six or thirty-seven miles. That length of construction brought the railway to Gagetown, a bright little town, the shire town of the county of Queens, quite a large centre. And- would you believe it, Mr. Speaker-the Department of Railways of this Government absolutely refused to run a train over that road for nearly a year, on the ground, as they said, that it had not been completed for forty miles, and so did not comply with the agreement. Here was a road which had cost from $38,000 to $40,000 a mile, completed even to the station-houses and the stoves in them, and yet, because it was only thirty-six or thirty-seven miles long, instead, of forty miles long, they said it was not completed and they would not carry it on. But they could not use that argument as to the portion north of Fredericton, for it was completed. I do not say "completed" in the sense that an engineer going over it could say that there was not another spike to be driven. In that sense a railway is never completed,. An engineer might go over the Grand Trunk from Montreal to Toronto, the finest piece of road in the country, and find a tie here and there to be replaced, or some other little thing to be done, because of which he might report the road as not completed. But to all practical purposes this road was completed north of Fredericton, and it was completed south of Fredericton. They never signed the agreement which they had covenanted to sign, and on the strength of which covenant the people of New Brunswick had voted for the present Provincial Government in the elections of 1912, so that the Government carried every county in New Brunswick except one, and to-day have the support of every member of the legislature save two, the voting being on the pledge that they would complete this valley railway from Grand Falls to St. John, and on the pledge of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Hazen) in this House, which I have read this afternoon, given only two or three months before the elections, that this Government would take the road over and operate it by sections as completed and finally the completed road, and that this Government would see that the road was completed from Grand Falls, and would build these bridges-no, I am wrong, for that legislation was after the election; but
there was legislation in 1912 providing for $1,000,000 to assist toward the building of these bridges. So, when the people of New Brunswick voted confidence in the Provincial Government, as they did in every county save one, they did it on the express covenant of this Government that they would build these bridges, or would see to it that they were built, and that the road should be operated, and the province of New Brunswick should be given 40 per cent of the gross earnings to pay the interest on the bonds.
When the road had been in operation for a year, that is, from 1st January, 1915, to 31st December, 1915, instead of entering into a lease as they had agreed, they signed no lease. They had run a very indifferent service, simply a combination passenger and freight train from. Fredericton to Centreville and back once a day. On the lower end, from Fredericton to Gagetown, they had run no trains. Last summer they arranged for a train a week, and that service continued up to Christmas. Now, I think, they are running two or three trains a week from Fredericton south. But they never signed the agreement, and never made themselves liable to pay to the province the 40 per cent, and they have not paid that 40 per cent, nor 30 per cent, nor 20 per cent, nor one per cent. The Intercolonial has been operating that road and taking the receipts, and we poor people in New Brunswick are paying interest on $4,000,000 of bonds, while they are getting all the benefit. They admit, however, that under the "arrangement," as they call it, there would have been about $18,733 due to the province last December.
As if that were not bad enough, two days after Christmas every employee on the road received notice that his services would be dispensed with on January 31. Hundreds of tons of freight had been hauled to the different stations of the railway to be shipped, and business was going on. There was a pretty lively time for a while and the wires were kept busy. I do not know what was done, but such a row was raised that the Intercolonial authorities were afraid to carry out their threat, and on the morning of the 30th or 31st December the order cancelling the trains was itself cancelled and the .arrangement went on as in the past. But they say in their answer to me that they agreed to continue it on terms to be arranged later on. And the object I had in discussing this question to-day was to find out what terms had been arranged on which they are going to carry on this work. It is

important in the interest of the province that that should he made clear. In the first place, we know that the province of New Brunswick had guaranteed bonds to the extent of close upon $6,000,000. Possibly I may be a little in error in that, but I will explain the exact conditions so far as we know them. We know that away back in 1912 they guaranteed bonds to the extent of $25,000 a mile for 170 miles, a total of something over $4,000,000. These bonds were sold in London and the money was brought back here before the elections of 1912 and placed in the hands of the Prudential Trust Company, of Montreal, the trustees under the agreement between the Government of New Brunswick and the railway company. The company paid out the money on progress estimates by the chief engineer of the road. When we got through our investigation in the autumn of 1914, there was $1,000,000, in round figures, in the hands of the Prudential Trust Company. I learn, by an answer given in the New Brunswick Legislature on Friday last, that something like $700,000 of this money is still in the hands of the company for constructive purposes. But they claim that they had advanced a portion to the Government, which would mean that something like $400,000 of this money would be in the hands of the Government. In addition to nearly $700,000 or $684,000 to be more exact-there is about $170,000 in their hands for the payment of interest on the bonds. So, we have $850,000 anyway of the proceeds of these bonds supposed to be in the hands of the Prudential Trust Company in Montreal. I have discussed that before in the House and have nothing more to say about it. We in New Brunswick sincerely trust, and almost pray, that when the time comes for the company to be called upon for this money, it will be forthcoming. Further than that, we do not go at this time.
We do know, however, that during the whole of the last session of the legislature in New Brunswick the Opposition attempted to get from the Government a statement with Tegard to the money that had been deposited with the Prudential Trust Company. We were told that they had securities running up to about $2,000,000 repre- * senting the investment, but they positively refused to give us a list of those securities. No one in the province of New Brunswick to-day, outside of the members of the Government, have the faintest idea how or when or where or under what conditions this enormous amount of money is invest-

ed. We do know that the Government also guaranteed second mortgage bonds to the extent of $10,000 a mile. Whether they guaranteed the whole 170 miles or only the 120 I do not know. It may be that they guaranteed only 120, because while they have guaranteed 170 miles of bonds of the first mortgage issue, they havg built only 120 miles of road. Every bond for the 170 miles was sold in London in the month of May, 1912, and the proceeds were brought back to Canada and deposited with the Prudential Trust Company. You will see, Sir, that the province of New Brunswick has guaranteed bonds in this matter to the extent of about $6,000,000. $4,000,000 of this were at 4 per cent; the rest at 5 or better than 5 per cent. I think we would be safe in saying that the average rate would be ii per cent, which would be $240,000 or $250,000 a year for which the province of New Brunswick is liable in respect of this railway transaction. We went into this enormous undertaking and we guaranteed these bonds, on the strength of the covenant of this Government, the Minister of Railways and Canals and this Parliament, that these bridges would be built, that the road would go through to Grand Falls, tap the Transcontinental and become a portion of the through line. On the strength of that agreement we belived that 40 per cent of the gross earnings would be sufficient to pay the interest on those bonds. If these conditions are not carried out, and if the road does not become the business proposition that we were led to believe it would become-and which we know it would become if the conditions were carried out- the province of New Brunswick will become liable to an annual outlay of $225,000 or $250,000, less, of course, the small amount that might be raised from the operation of the road as the Government evidently intend to operate it under present conditions. As at present constructed, the road is merely an ordinary branch line of the Canadian Pacific railway. Twenty-five miles below Centreville, which is now its terminus, the road crosses the Canadian Pacific railway. If a car of freight is going to the United States market, it leaves the road at that point and goes by the Canadian Pacific railway. As it is about 450 miles from Centreville to Boston, which is the distributing point of all freight from New Brunswick to the United States, the amount which this road would receive for carrving the freight over that 25 miles would be merely a shunting charge. The amount received for carry-

ing a car of freight would be so small as to be hardly worth considering, and 40 per cent of the gross earnings would be a more bagatelle. If you had 10,000 cars a year going over that road, you would hardly see what it would amount to in the end. Again, the line goes south to Woodstock for a distance of 25 or 30 miles, picks up the goods and either brings them to Woodstock and hands them over to the Canadian Pacilc railway, or carries them to Fredericton and hands them over to the Canadian Pacific railroad. No matter which way you go, under present conditions this Toad, so far as constructed, is simply a feeder or a series of feeders for the great Canadian Pacific railway system.
'I now come to the propositions which are on foot in the province of New Brunswick, and which, I presume, are the terms arranged between the Government of New Brunswick and this Government. I know that a delegation from the Government of New Brunswick was here last week or the week before, just before the provincial legislature met. They had several conferences with the	Minister	of Marine and
Fisheries, the Minister of Railways, and, I assume, with the Government. Evidently they came to some sort of agreement, because they went home called together the legislature, and, in the Speech from the Throne, stated that legislation would be introduced to provide for the completion of the Valley railway. The Government have announced that they will not build this road north of Centreville; so far as that end of the line is concerned, it is finished, and there is no possible connection with the Grand Trunk Pacific railway. So far as the lower end is concerned, instead of building the bridges which this Government covenanted they would build, they say:	Oh, well, an investigation was
made by an engineer by the name of Mon-sarrat. This gentleman, who, I believe, is an engineer of repute, reported that the' construction of these bridges would cost an enormous amount of money, and that there was a poor bottom. I am told-and I believe that I am stating the facts-that Mr. Mon-sarrat never made a boring in his life in the St. John River, and does not know anything about it; that he took the data given him by somebody else, and said that if those data were correct, he did not believe that these undertakings were feasible. I have no doubt that, as an engineering proposition, taking the data as given to Mr. Monsarrat, the conclusion that he arrived at was justifiable. I am not going to reveal confidences, but I want to tell the Government of New Brunswick that if they will produce a report made to them by their own chief engineer within the last three months, they will find that this is a practicable proposition, and that none of the bugaboos and quagmires and fanciful difficulties exist which they say exist. This excuse is only a scheme to get around carrying out their contract with the people of New Brunswick, to get this Government rid of carrying out its contract and to get 5 p.m. the Intercolonial rid of carrying out its contract. If they will let us examine Mr. Maxwell for ten minutes, I know what his statement will be. They may have compelled the man to put something) in a report, perhaps, but if we had a chance to cross-examine Mr. Maxwell we would find out what the bottom of the river is like; we would find out that it is not only possible, but practicable, to build these bridges, and to build them for an amount very much less than that estimated by Mr. Monsarrat, and put forward by the representatives of this Government -as the probable cost. I do not know any way of getting at this information, because, so far as I know, this Government has not paid any money in the matter. I suppose we might bring Mr. Maxwell before the Public Accounts Committee, but I d,o not want to go to that trouble. I am taking it for granted that this Government will bring down the papers and that we shall know exactly what kind of report Mr. Maxwell did make. They say that because of difficulties in crossing the river they are not going to take the line to St. John. They have eliminated the upper end at Grand Falls, making no connection with the Transcontinental; now they are going to eliminate the lower end,, and run the line down to a place called Welsford, or Westfield-they talk about Westfield, but I think they mean Welsford-and there they are going to tie on to the Canadian Pacific railway. This line, in respect of which the people of New Brunswick have guaranteed bonds to the extent of $6,000,000, starts in a beautiful little country town called Centreville, one of the finest places I know of on the continent of America, and stops at another beautiful little place called Westfield, a summer resort on the line of the Canadian Pacific railway.
And, Sir, that is the kind of road which the province of New Brunswick has got for its $6,000,000, and it is from the business

of that branch line proposition that we are going to receive the money with which to pay the interest on these bonds. Can you imagine a man from our province, no matter what his political affiliations may have been, who knows the conditions as we know them, discussing this thing without evincing a little heat, or at least a little concern for the future welfare of his province? If we were like some other provinces of Canada, it might not be such a serious matter. If we were like the great province of Ontario with its two and a half millions of people; if we had the enormous resources which they possess; if we had the enormous resources of even British Columbia, or of any other province, excepting Prince Edward Island, then we might not be so concerned. But I am sorry to say that our revenue producing resources are very limited. It is true that we have magnificent Crown lands. These are our principal source of revenue outside of direct taxation and of the subsidy which we receive from the Government here. But these Crown lands are being taxed to their utmost capacity, and have been for the last five or six years; that is, the Government are allowing the operatives to cut more timber from these lands than they should allow, with the Tesult .that they are becoming depleted to such an extent that, if things go on as they have been doing for the next twenty-five or thirty years, our Crown lands will not produce one-half of the revenue which they are producing at the present time. We have reached the absolute limit of our revenue which can properly be derived from the production of our Crown lands; we have a small amount of coal mining, but it is not very great and yields very little revenue; and, so far as I know, there are no other resources in the province of New Brunswick, outside of the subsidies which we receive from the Dominion Government, except direct taxation. Our population, I am sorry to say, has not increased very rapidly. I think it has only increased to the extent of about 20,000 in the last ten years, and I do not see any great prospects of any very rapid increase in the near future.
Under conditions like these, I do not think any man in the province could sit still when he considers that $6,000,000 have been added to the debt of the province in order to produce a railroad such as I have described. In making this statement I am not finding fault with the railroad itself.

It is true that portions of it, north of Fredericton, are pretty hilly and crooked, but it is well ballasted; it is pretty well drained; it has 80-pound steel rails; the ties are all right, and it runs through a beautiful, fertile, and productive country. But it is only agricultural country, and you require an enormous amount of agricultural products in the vicinity of a road like this, to produce business, forty per cent of the value of which will go to pay the interest on $6,000,000.
If we are to believe what we read in the newspapers of New Brunswick, it would seem that there is another scheme on foot. I hope my hon. friend the Minister of Public Works, who, I assume, is going to answer for the Government, will be able to answer this question definitely and positively. It is announced, and it is beyond peradventure, that the railway will not go farther north than Centreville, and not farther south than Westfield, serving an agricultural country terminating at one end at the village of Centreville, fifty miles south of the Transcontinental railway, and at the other at the Canadian Pacific railway, and making connection with it at two points. They say that if they get the money from the Prudential Trust Company, the proceeds of the .sale of those bonds will build the railroad to Westfield. When completed, the liability of the province >vill be in the vicinity of $6,000,000. Of course, in addition to that, this Government has paid a double subsidy on the whole 170 miles, but the Dominion treasury is rich compared with that of New Brunswick, and we are not finding so much fault with that part of it.
In addition to the plan I have outlined, they also state that they are going to build a road from a point seven or eight miles above Fredericton, to the American boundary line at a place known as Vanceboro. I hope this is not true.


William Pugsley: It is said that the engineers of this Government have actually been surveying.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have heard of a few
wild-cat and unreasonable schemes in my lifetime in connection with railroads and governments,-none of us are perfect, and we do not profess to be-but when it comes to asking the province of New Brunswick to build another railroad from a point near Fredericton to the American boundary line at Vanceboro, which must be at least 40 miles distant-I do not see how you can

get from any point above Fredericton to Vanceboro without travelling a distance less than 40 .miles-to build a road like that, well, I think we shall have reached the limit of endurance, and the Government shall have reached the limit almost of political impudence. The Canadian Pacific railway has a line from Fredericton to the International boundary line, and a splendid road it is. They give the people all the service which the people could ask for in that vicinity. If you want to go from Fredericton to St. John or to Boston, or to St. John or Woodstock or Edmunds-ton, or to any of the points in the western portion of New Brunswick, you have all the accommodation on the Canadian Pacific railway, which any person could reasonably ask, in conjunction, of course, with the present Valley railway which goes up the St. John river. If you wish to bring a carload of freight from Nova Scotia or from the eastern portion of New Brunswick to Fredericton, you might possibly use the Intercolonial railway, which they do not use at the present time to any very great extent, but they would be compelled to hand the freight over to the Canadian Pacific railway, which would transport it about 67 miles to Vanceboro where they join the Maine Central or American system of railways. I have indicated that the distance from Fredericton to Vanceboro by the new road would be somewhere about 59 miles, 10 miles by the present Valley railway, and the remaining 40 miles by the newly constructed road. I admit that 40 miles is only an estimate, but I know the location pretty well, and I think I am about right in my estimate. I have talked this matter over with the Intercolonial men, and I know that that is their intention. Suppose that you want to bring lumber or fish from northern New Brunswick, or anything which is produced in Nova Scotia for the American market, to Fredericton; of course they can bring it, if we want to make them bring it, over the Canada Eastern portion of the Intercolonial to Fredericton. In other words Fredericton could be made a central point for Intercolonial business going to the United States, but I do not think it would ever pay. I think it would be cheaper and more economical to bring it to St. John, and hand it over to the Canadian Pacific railway. But the Canadian Pacific railway would get the 90 mile haul of that freight, whereas if they brought it to Fredericton,! the Canadian Pacific railway would get only the 67 mile haul. Let us see how that works out. You
have only to make a simple computation. I think I can give it to show the utter nonsense of the whole proposition. If you are catering for the trade of the northern part of the province of New Brunswick there is not much traffic outside of lumber and some fish. Bo not forget that within the last two years this Government has bought 112 miles of railway running from Campbellton, in the northern part of New Brunswick, across the province and striking the American system of railways at St. Leonard's and Van Buren in the state of Maine. The Intercolonial railway is now connected with the American system of railways, from the northern part of New Brunswick, which would take in Bathurst, Dal-housie, Campbellton, and all the northern lumber region. The distance from Bathurst to the American system of railways, at Van Buren would be less than the distance from Bathurst to the American system of railways at Vanceboro. But, of course, the freight rate would be a little greater from Van Buren to Boston than from Vanceboro to Boston. From the Miramichi region, which is the greatest lumber producing portion of that part of New Brunswick, the freight rate down to Boston would be some 18 or 19 cents per 100 pounds. I have not looked into it lately but I think I am within half a cent of the actual rate. It is about 550 miles, I suppose, from the Miramichi, or from Newcastle, to Boston, and Boston, I may tell the House, is the distributing point for all freight emanating from the Maritime Provinces for the American trade. That would give you one-tenth or one-eleventh of the freight rate on a mileage basis which would be less than two cents per 100 pounds. Assuming that it would be two cents per 100 pounds, the average weight of a car of lumber will be, say, 50,000 pounds because 12,000 feet of lumber at 4,000 pounds per thousand is the maximum and that would make 50,000 pounds per car. I may be away above it rather than under it because the great majority of the lumber is seasoned and it will not run more than 3,100 to 3,200 pounds per thousand feet. If you take it at 50,000 pounds, and at a two cent rate, you have only $10 for transporting that car of freight from Fredericton to the international boundary line at Vanceboro, and the province of New Brunswick would get 40 per cent, or $4.40, for transporting that car of freight. Talk of building a railway to give the Intercolonial connection between Fredericton and Vanceboro in order that it may be able to quote rates direct

from the point of shipment to the American railway system when all we get is $4.40 as our share for transporting a car load of freight. I assume that it will cost $1,500,000 to build that road from a point 10 miles above Fredericton to Vaneeboro, a distance of forty miles. We cannot at the present moment borrow money for less than 5J per cent. I doubt very much if we province of New Brunswick could get money at 51 per cent. It is true that we sold some local bonds during last September, October and November at 5 per cent, but it was not a very large amount, the bonds were exempt from taxation which made them fairly attractive for estates, and they were pretty nearly all taken up by people representing estates in the province -of New Brunswick. At the rate of 5J per cent the interest charge would be $75,000 and at $4.40 per car you would require 17,500 cars of goods in the year to pay the interest on the cost of that 40 miles of road. Seventeen thousand five hundred carloads of goods would more than average 56 a day for every working day in the year. Does anybody believe you could produce 58 carloads of freight in eastern New Brunswick every day in ^he year for the American market? You could not produce 8 carloads per day in eastern New Brunswick for the American market every day in the year. I do not think you could produce 20 carloads every day in the year if you took in the whole of the Maritime Provinces. There is no doubt that on some days you could do a very large business, but there would be weeks when you would have nothing to do at all. If these were all converted into lumber, and fortunately lumber goes into the United States without paying duty, it would take about 200,000,000 feet of lumber more than is produced to furnish the Intercolonial railway with sufficient traffic to pay our share of the interest on the enormous cost of building that 40 miles of railway.
Does the Dominion Government, or the Minister of Railways or the Intercolonial Railway, intend to drive the little province ,of New Brunswick into a trade like that? If they do, then I have less respect for the Government of New Brunswick even than I have for the Government of Canada to allow themselves to be be driven into a deal like that. The Government of New Brunswick had the solemn pledge of their political friends in Ottawa, and they had the solemn pledge of their political opponents at Ottawa, that the Parliament of
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Canada and the Government of Canada would operate this railway on a 40 per cent basis, would connect it with the Transcontinental railway at Grand Falls, would build these bridges and would put us in a position to earn sufficient money to pay the interest on the bonds. Any Government in New Brunswick that would allow themselves to be driven into a deal like that deserves the anathema-I would like to say-of this House of Parliament, but I will not say that because it would not be parliamentary; but it deserves-my hon. friend says annihilation. No, annihilation is not sufficient. Turning a Government like that out of power is no punishment whatever for the sins that they have committed or will commit if they allow this transaction to go on.
Now that I have stated the case as briefly as I could, I do hope that the minister will tell us exactly what sort of a trade they have forced upon New Brunswick, and what kind of trade the subservient Government of New Brunswick have agreed to in order to get them out of some of their difficulties. We are asked to add another $1,250,000 or $1,500,000 to our debt. What is our debt to-day? It is pretty hard to say what the debt of New Brunswick is, because it may surprise you when I say that the present Government of New Brunswick will not tell us what our debt is. The Opposition tried during a whole session of Parliament to find out what the debt was. I should not say the Opposition, but I should say that the member from Northumberland, Mr. Stewart, a gentleman who was elected to support the present Government, tried during the whole session of 1915 to find out what our debt was. Would you believe that the Government would not tell him? The people of New Brunswick do not know how many million dollars they owe. We do not know, but if you will take the Auditor General's report for the year ended October SI, 1914, you will see that there was a bonded debt of $8,175,000 or thereabouts. They claim, which I believe is true, that they have a sinking fund amounting to nearly half a million dollars, and we have a little over half a million dollars to our credit at Ottawa. But that still leaves $7,000,000 of a bonded debt. But we know that that does not really represent the actual debt of the province of New Brunswick. We know that they have been issuing bonds by the millions since October, 1914, and I have no hesitation in saying that the bonded debt of New Brunswick is $8,000,000 and probably $8,500,000. In addition to that, we have incurred a debt of about

$300,000 in connection with the railway in the county of Gloucester, which, I am sorry to say, has been closed down and has become a liability of the province. We have $155,000 of bonded debt which we have assumed in connection with the Southampton railway, the railway from which a member of the local legislature cleaned up $35,000 or $45,000 for himself without having returned one cent to the Government.


An hon. MEMBER:: What has become of that money?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: What has become of the money? Pinder has got the money yet. A Conservative lawyer in St. John was appointed some time ago to see Mr. Pinder and get that money back, but it is one of those friendly things that does not amount to very much and, no proceedings have yet been started. If they can get through this session of the legislature and this session of Parliament without the suit being started that will be the end of it. I understand that Mr. Pringle, the Royal Commissioner, found the amount to be $33,000 or $34,000. As a matter of fact, it was $50,000 that was swiped out of the construction of that road. But that is a small thing in New Brunswick. The Minister of Public Works (Mr. Rogers) is sometimes told that he is a sinner, but I sometimes think he is not to be compared with them. He ought to watch that crowd. As he was handling millions in Manitoba, the small percentage was not so bad, but when you consider what was taken out of the little amount of money that is handled in the province of New Brunswick you must admire the ability of the people down there along the line of taking what does not belong to them.


Robert Rogers: Where do you get the percentage in Manitoba?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have not figured it out.


Robert Rogers: You had better not make any statement until you figure it out.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: We know it approximately. .


Robert Rogers: My hon. friend was dealing directly with myself. If he is going to make insinuations, I should like him to back them up with a definite statement.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I was talking about the Government. I do not want to be unpleasant. I thought I was complimentary in drawing such a distinction between the Minister of Public Works and the party in
New Brunswick. That was my intention, anyway.


Robert Rogers: You were referring to me personally.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: In addition to the two
railroads I have mentioned, we know that the Valley railroad will run up to about $6,000,000. When you add these together, I cannot see where one-tenth, or at all events one-fifth part of the interest on that debt will ever be earned by that road, under present conditions. You have there an indirect debt of $6,000,000 anyway, which brings the total debt of the province of New Brunswick up to something like $13,000,000.


Mr. R. B. BENNETT:: $26,000,000 in Alberta.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is bad enough, but it is not half so bad as New Brunswick with $13,000,000. My hon. friend knows both intimately.


Richard Bedford Bennett: I know there is
no comparison between the reckless extravagance that characterizes the Government of Alberta, and the decent administration of the New Brunswick Government.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I am not going to argue that point just now. I am trying to look after the Government of New Brunswick, and incidentally trying to keep this Government straight, as far as that is possible; but when the two get together it's a pretty bad combination. I have tried to point out the financial situation of New Brunswick, in a very hurried manner of course. ,1 have tried to state as accurately as I could the actual position of railway affairs in our province. I have pointed out what we in New Brunswick know: that the Government of New Brunswick, aided and abetted by this Government, have decided not to build this joad north of Centreville, and not to build the bridges that would allow of direct connection with St. John. They have decided to make connection with the Canadian Pacific railway either at Welsford or at Westfield. We are told-and it is currently stated all over the province of New Brunswick-that the local Government, at the instigation of this Government, I believe, are to spend another quarter of a million or half a million dollars in building a road from near Fredericton to the American boundary. That road is absolutely unnecessary. It has not even the virtue of gaining political support for the party, for it does not pass through a country that is inhabited; there are not votes along the



line of railway. There is no business for the road. It rnns very largely through that granite region through whioh the Canadian Pacific railway, from Vanceboro east towards Fredericton Junction, rune; not altogether, but very largely. There might be a little business available in small lumber, but only a very small amount. I do not think that the Government of New Brunswick, in view of their experience with railroads during the last two years, want to go on with this road. Therefore, I can come to no other conclusion than that the Government of New Brunswick have been driven by this Government to enter into the monstrous transaction simply to gratify the whim and wish of Mr. Gutelius, the manager of the Intercolonial railway, who wants to have connection with the American system of railways independently of the Canadian Pacific railway. I think those who have known my connection with railway affairs in New Brunswick will know that I hold no brief for the Candian Pacific railway. I have prophesied for the last five or six years that this road was only intended to be a branch line or feeder for the 'Canadian Pacific railway. On the other hand, I cannot see what earthly reason there is why the province of New Brunswick, in order to gratify the whim of Mr. Gutelius, should be compelled to rush into debt to the extent of $1,500,000 when the Canadian Pacific railway already have a road from. Fredericton to the international boundary; and it is as good a road as any they will build, and gives the people in that territory all the accommodation they could possibly require. From Fredericton to Boston there are two first-class passenger trains a day, and from McAdam Junction for all points south, and all points north as far as Woodstock, two trains a day. The Intercolonial railway could not give a better service than that; not ae good, I think. Why on earth the Intercolonial railway and the Government of Canada want to force the province of New Brunswick to go into this expenditure is something I cannot understand,. I have given the facts, and have given them truly, as I understand them. I am sorry the Minister of Railways and the Minister of Marine are not here, but they knew that this discussion was coming up to-day. At least the Minister of Railways did, for I told him, and I have no doubt whatever that the Minister of Marine an<^ Fisheries knew about it too. I" am sorry they are not here, but I hope that the 
Minister of Public Works or the other minister who follows me will give us certain definite information which I think we are entitled to have. In the first place, has it been decided that this road will not be built north of Centreville? Has it been decided that these bridges across the St. John and Kennebecasis rivers will not be built? Has it been decided to build the railway from its terminus at Gagetown over to Westfield or Welsford, and if so, which? Has it been decided that the Valley railway, so-called, shall not have an independent connection in the St. John valley farther south than Westfield? And, lastly, * has it been decided that the province of New Brunswick is to guarantee bonds in order to build a road from a point at or near Fredericton, or ten miles north of it, to a point on the American railway system near Vanceboro? If the minister will answer these questions frankly and fully he will be conferring a great favour upon the people of the province of New Brunswick, for not only his political friends, but his political opponents in that province are taking a very deep interest in this matter. No question in the public affairs of Canada is causing as much real thought in that province as is this question of the future of the Valley railway. Mr. Speaker, I have taken up much more time than I intended, and, the importance of the subject is my excuse for having dealt with the matter at such length.


Robert Rogers: Mr. Speaker, my hon. friend has been fairly mild in his discussion of this matter this afternoon, although at times he ihas given some slight evidence that he has been nursing his wrath to keep i$ warm in respect to the railway situation in the province of New Brunswick. I can quite understand my hon. friend, or any other hon. gentleman from the province of New Brunswick, having very serious complaints to make, both in this House and elsewhere, against railway legislation within the borders of that province. But what I wish to take objection to is that my hon. friend ventures to fasten upon the Minister of Railways or upon the Minister of Marine and Fisheries a responsibility for those conditions, the responsibility for which belongs to that side of the House and not to this. As my hon. friend has stated, the people of New Brunswick have had placed upon their shoulders the very heavy burden of something like $5,000,000, if his figures are correct.

I am not in a (position to know whether they are correct or not, but for whatever sum of money has been fastened upon the shoulders of the people of New Brunswick in connection with the construction of the St. John Valley railway, hon. gentlemen opposite are entirely responsible and blameable. The people of New Brunswick have a pride in natural development of their province and especially in the development of the national port in that province. A few years ago, when legislation was introduced in this Parliament for the building of a transcontinental railway to carry the trade of Canada to our great ocean ports, it was naturally to be expected that the location of the road would be such as to give not only the people of New Brunswick, but all the people of Canada the advantage of an outlet at their great national port of St. John. The reason why such a location was not determined upon is probably best known to hon. gentlemen opposite. All we know about the matter is what has been stated in this House and elsewhere. If I am correct in my recollection, the Minister of Finance in the previous Government, Mr. Fielding, dealt very fully with this matter, pointing out that the building of a transcontinental railway to the city of St. John would give that port a special advantage over other ports in the Maritime Provinces, and that therefore the line must be so located as to go to the centre of population in the Maritime Provinces, although he claimed that Moncton was not the centre, but that some point in Cumberland county would probably be the proper point. However, in adopting the course which was then adopted, the 'Government of that day were only following what has always been their policy-that of hanging up a railroad or anything else before the eyes of two or three or four contending parties and then endeavouring from a political point of view to play every end to the middle. That is what they were attempting to do in connection with the construction of the Transcontinental railway so far as the ports of the Maritime Provinces are concerned, and it is >as a result of that condition of affairs and of the misplaced location of the Transcontinental railway as determined upon at that time, that the people of New Brunswick, proud of their national port, and of the resources of their province, have assumed this great liability for the construction of the Valley railway which, unmi
doubtedly, was the line that should have been followed by the Transcontinental.


Edward Mortimer Macdonald: In that case, how
was it going to get to Nova Scotia?


Robert Rogers: It would get to Nova
Scotia just the same as it does to-day. You had the 'Intercolonial railway then, to to take your traffic to Nova S'cotia; you have the same to-day, and what was the good of building a transcontinental railway if it was not for the purpose of carrying the traffic of Western Canada to our great national ports in the Maritime Provinces. We, who are interested in this railway outside of the province of New Brunswick, look to St. John as our closest national winter port for the shipment of goods coming from Western Canada. Those are the circumstances which originally placed upon the shoulders of the people of New Brunswick the responsibility for the building of this Valley railway.
. My hon. friend has taken up a great deal of time in dealing with the local conditions and circumstances surrounding the construction of that railway. He has reflected to some extent upon the Government of the province in which he lives, and I am sorry he has so reflected on my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries as to insinuate or imply that that hon. gentleman is not present here to-day because he wanted to be absent as this question was to be brought to the attention of the House by the hon. member for Carleton. Since when has my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries ever failed to meet my hon. friend from Carleton or any other hon. gentleman opposite? I know that the Minister of Marine and Fisheries is absent on instructions from the Prime Minister on business of the country which could not he delayed, and I assure my hon. friend that he should not flatter himself by stating that the Minister of Marine and Fisheries was not in his seat to-day because this matter was to come before the House for consideration.
My hon. friend has asked that a frank and open statement of the policy of the Government on this matter should be made. I may siay to my hon. friend that we are always frank and open, and that we always endeavour to supply the House with the full and complete information to which it is entitled,


William Pugsley: Always endeavour; do you succeed?


Robert Rogers: 
Frank Broadstreet Carvell: They say a hundred feet, down home.


Robert Rogers: I give the facts as I have them before me. The reports of the engineers will be brought down in the return which is now in course of preparation, and which will be ready in the near future. I will read correspondence to show the facts of the case and the cost of construction of the bridges referred to by my hon. friend. I gather from the correspondence that, by completing this railway by a different route, the object can- be accomplished without the expenditure of nearly $3,000,000 for the construction of these two bridges.


Mr. MICHAUD:: Does the minister know whether or not the Andover bridge will be built?


Robert Rogers: That is really not settled, as I understand it. Here is a letter from Mr. Brown to Mr. Gutelius:
. Moncton, N.B., February 26, 1916.
At Montreal.
F. P. Gutelius, Esq.,
General Manager, .
Moncton. N.B.
Dear Sir:
St. John and Quebec railway-Comparison of Routes between Gagetown and St. John.
In accordance with your request, I beg to submit herewith a report showing a comparison of the bridge route and the Westfield route on the St. John and Quebec railway between Gagetown and St. John.
The line from Fredericton to Gagetown, 31*5 miles long, is now completed.
Bridge route.-The bridge route contemplates the extension from Gagetown to a connection with the Intercolonial railway at Rothesay, crossing the St. John river at the Mistake involving a bridge 0*95 miles long, and the additional construction of 41*5 miles of railway, including the crossing of the Kennebecasis river with a bridge 465 feet long and a rock fill 2,700 feet long. The total mileage from Gagetown to Rothesay is 42*49 miles.
The mileage and estimated cost of this line from Gagetown to St. John, not including the St. John river, is as follows:
Mileage. Estimated
Cost,
Gagetown to St. Jphn river crossing (Dunham's wharf
route)	
22*47	$ 929,000St. John river to Rothesay (not including Kennebecasis river crossing)	
18.47	1,047,000Kennebecasis river crossing.. 0*6	411,000
Mileage. Estimated Cost.
Rothesay to St.	John	(I.	
CR.)				8-8
To this should	be	ad-	ded the mileage	of the	St.	John river bridge	(cost	not	included) . . . .	0-95Totals. . ..	51-29
Westfield route.-The Westfield route along the west side of the St. John river from Gage-town to a connection with the Canadian Pacific railway at Westfield involves the construction of about 37*5 miles of railway.
The mileage and estimated is as follows:	cost of	this route
Mileage.		Estimated
		Cost.
Gagetown to proposed St. John river crossing	
Proposed St. John river cross-	22-47	$ 929,000ing to Westfield	
WcSiflald beach to St. John	15-03	751,000(C.P.R.) . . 	14-7	
Totals		52-20	$1,680,000
In comparing the two routes it will be noted that the mileage is practically the same, as well as the rise and fall and curvature, so that there will be very little difference in the cost of operation of these two routes, except for the heavy maintenance and operating charges of the bridges on the bridge route.
If the bridge route were adopted arrangements would have to be made for the handling of St. John and Quebec railway traffic ov r 8*8 miles of the Intercolonial railway to St. John, as against 14*7 miles on the Canadian Pacific railway via the Westfield route.
With regard to the export traffic to West St. John, the conditions would be entirely different as the Westfield route would have the distinct advantage as it will be 3*5 miles shorter to West St. John than via the bridge route.
The bridge route will involve the construction of four (4) miles additional railway at an estimated additional cost of $707,000, not including the bridge. The Westfield route can also be constructed in much less time than the bridge route.
The local traffic will not be large in any case, but the Westfield route has the distinct advantage in this respect.
Yours truly,
C. B. Brown,
Chief Engineer.
Mr. Gutelius wrote to Mr. Monsarratt asking his opinion and advice. His letter is as follows:
At Montreal.	February 26, 1916.
CV N. Monsarratt, Esq.,
Chairman and Chief Engineer,
Quebec Bridge Commission,
Montreal.
Dear Sir,-I have before me your report oi a proposed bridge for the St. John and Quebec railway over the St. John river near the Mistake, and as the question of the final location of this railway between Gagetown and St. John is under consideration, I send you herewith a copy of a report prepared by Mr. C. B. Brown, Chief Engineer, Canadian Governmept railways, covering two routes, one known as the " Bridge Route," in which the bridge which you examined is located, and the other is the "Westfield route."
In view of your report and your experience as a railroad and bridge engineer, I should be glad if you ivill make a study of Mr. Brown's report and advise me as to the economies in construction and operations of the two routes, together with a recommendation as to the route you think should be followed.
Yours truly,
F. P. Gutelius.
Mr. Monsarratt replied as follows:
Dear Sir,-I have the honour to acknowledge your letter of February 26th, enclosing copy of report prepared by Mr. C. B. Brown, comparing two alternate routes of the St. John and Quebec railway between Gagetown and St.John, one known as the bridge route, which includes a bridge over the St. John'river near the Mistake, dealt with in my report of February 23rd, 1914, and the other known as the Westfield route, and requesting me to advise you as to the comparative economies in construction and operation of the two routes and a recommendation as to the route that should be followed.
Before proceeding, I should like to point out that in my report of February 23rd, 1914, above mentioned, I referred only to the feasibility and relative merits and cost of construction of alternate crossings of the river at this point and made no reference whatever to the relative merits of any projected railway routes.
The estimate of cost of construction of the bridge stated in my report was sufficient to complete it at that time, but on account of the changed conditions, due to the war, I find on investigation that it would be necessary to revise this statement increasing the cost by $100,000.
On studying Mr. Brown's report I find that the Bridge route would necessitate the construction of four miles more of railway than the Westfield line, the cost of which, together with the cost of construction of the large bridge over the St. John river, would entail an additional outlay of $2,870,000 in addition to which there would be the cost of maintenance and operation of the bridges amounting to approximately $12,000 per annum, showing an additional annual charge for interest and maintenance of $115,0-00 above that of the Westfield route.
I would like, also, to point out that it would take at least two years to construct the bridge over the St. John river, and I am of the opinion that the Westfield line could be put in operation a year earlier than the bridge route. Mr. Brown's report shows that in so far as traffic and operation are concerned any advantage there might be, lies with the Westfield line.
It is always desirable, from an engineering standpoint to choose, if possible, a route which does not entail the construction of heavy bridges with difficult foundations, thus avoiding unforeseen contingencies which might arise in the construction and maintenance of structures of this nature.
In view of the fact that the Westfield route, shows a saving in construction of $2,870,000, an annual saving in interest and maintenance charges of $115,000, andean in all probability be put in operation a year earlier than the bridge route. I would have no hesitation in recommending the adoption of the Westfield route.
Yours truly,
(Sgd.) C. N. Monsarratt


William Pugsley: What is the date of that, letter?


Robert Rogers: It is dated February 28,
1916. It will be seen from this. letter, having regard to the argument of my hon. friend with respect to the route of the line from Gagetown to St. John, that there is every reason for the action which is being taken, in view of the fact that, at all events for the present year, the province of New Brunswick and the Government of Canada will be saved the sum of $2,870,000.
At six o'clock the House took recess.
The House resumed at eight o'clock.


Robert Rogers: Mr. Speaker, when the House rose at six o'clock, I had just concluded the reading of a letter from Mr. Monsarratt, the chief engineer of the Quebec bridge, in respect to the proposed bridges over'the St. John and Kennebecasis rivers. I now desire to read a letter from Mr. Gutelius, addressed to Mr. C. B. Brown, the chief engineer of the Canadian Government railways at Moncton, dated 28th February, 1916:
Moncton, N.B., February 28th, 1916.
C. B. Brown, Esq.,
Chief Engineer,
Canadian Government Hallways,
Moncton, N.B.
Dear Sir,-Your letter February 26th giving me comparisons of the Bridge route and the Westfield route for the St. John Valley railway between Gagetown and St. John.
I send you herewith Mr. C. N. Monsarratt's letter of February 28th in which he gives an estimate of the proposed bridge over the St. John river.
I should be glad if you would supplement your letter of February 26th by letting me have the economies of the two routes and your recommendation in connection with the route to be selected now that you have Mr. Monsaratt's estimate.
Yours truly,
(Sgd.) F. P. Gutelius.
In reply to this, Mr. Gutelius received the following letter from Mr. C. B. Brown, dated February 28, 1916:
Canadian Government Railways, Moncton, N.B., February 28, 1916.
F. P. Gutelius, Esq.,
General Manager,
Moncton, N.B.
Dear Sir:
St. John and Quebec Railway. Comparison of routes between Gagetown and St. John.
With reference to yours of the 28th instant -enclosing letter from Mr. Monsarratt of same date, and supplementing my report of the 26th, 1 would advise, that based on the estimate, the Bridge route would cost $4,550,000, whereas the Westfield route would cost $1,680,000, or a difference in favour of the Westfield route of $2,-S70.000.
IMr. Pugsley.]
In view of the heavy interest and maintenance charges of the Bridge route, the additional length of the time required to construct this route, the war conditions, the much larger present expenditure and no apparent advantages, I would not recommend the Bridge route.
I would recommend, however, that a route west of the river be adopted, and that the country, possibilities of traffic, etc., be thoroughly examined so as to obtain the most economical location for the extension of this railway to St. John.
Yours truly,
(Sgd.) C. B. Brown
Chief Engineer.
On receipt of that, Mr. Gutelius addressed the following letter to the acting Minister of Railways and Canals (Mr. Reid), on the same date, February 28:
Moncton, N.B., February 28, 1916.
Dear Mr. Reid,-In response to your request for information as to the status of the St. John and Quebec railways matters, I may say that the matter has been frequently discussed between Honourable Mr. Cochrane and myself with the view to working out an alteration of the arrangement in view of the changes which have taken place in conditions since the inception of the enterprise. I beg to advise that the original objects in the construction of this line were,
1st. To provide transportation facilities for the productive portions of the St. John Valley in that province; and
2nd. To secure an independent direct railway connection between St. John and the Transcontinental railway, which was to bo leased to the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company.
The first object has been largely attained in the construction of the line between Gagetown and Centreville, which has been in operation for more than a year.
The second object can be attained by the Transcontinental railway which is now being operated as a portion of the Canadian Government railways system, connection being made at McGivney's junction by the Canada Eastern with the St. John and Quebec railway at Fre-deriction and thence to St. John by such route as it may be decided to construct. Consideration of the extension of the St. John and Quebec railway from Centreville North may well, in view of the financial situation caused by the war be deferred until a more favourable period and in the meantime efforts should be directed to the rapid completion of direct connection with St. John and also to obtaining by means of other connections as much profitable through business as can be secured for the St. John and Quebec railway.
In the matter of the construction of the line from Gagetown to St. John, it was originally provided in the Acts and Agreements that the line should be constructed on the East side of the St. John river, and connected with the Intercolonial in the vicinity of Rothesay. The Dominion Government originally agreed to guarantee bonds for $1,000,000 towards the cost of construction of the bridges over the St. John and Kennebecasis rivers, and later agreed to construct bridges over these rivers if found feasible.
We have gone into the matter thoroughly, and find from the surveys and reports that the bridge over the St. John river alone would cost $2,163,000, which would require the construction of piers in such depth of water and soft material

that would make the success and cost of the construction problematical. Owing to the hazardous construction, the tremendous cost, the cost of maintenance, its interference with navigation on the St. John river, the annual fixed charge of $120,000, which would be made up of interest and maintenance and operation costs, and the length of time required for its construction, it was felt that in the public interest some other route if possible should be found; and after making study of the country between Gagetown and St. John, it is found that we can reach St. John Union depot by remaining on the west side of the St. John river via Westfield, by a route which if following the river, is at most one mile longer than the Bridge route above described, and that this railway can be constructed for $707,000 less cost to the St. John and Quebec railway for their portion and save the $2,163,000 cost of bridges to the Dominion Government, or a saving to both governments of $2,870,000 as compared with the Bridge route, and our engineers are of the opinion that the Westfield route could be shortened considerably when making their final location surveys. This route is not encumbered with the difficulties above recited in connection with the Bridge route, and, besides the large saving in original expenditures, it possesses no disadvantages, and has the advantage of three miles less distance from the Transcontinental to West St. John, which will always be a large factor in the export business at St. John, although Courtenay bay improvements are the ultimate objective for export business at St. John for Canadian Government railways.
In view of the above and the recommendation of Mr. C. B. Brown, Chief Engineer, Canadian Government railways, in his letter of February 26th, Mr. C. N. Monsarratt, Chairman and Chief Engineer Quebec Bridge Commission in his letter to me of February 28 th, and Mr. Brown's letter of February 28th, copies hereto attached, it is recommended that the New Brunswick Government be urged to take up and consider a route on the west side of the St. John river, and that a connection be made with the Canadian Pacific railway at a point at or near Westfield where the construction of the St. John and Quebec railway shall terminate. If this is acceptable then the Dominion Government will secure from thei Canadian Pacific railway running rights from the point of connection to St. John over the Canadian Pacific railway on some reasonable basis to be arranged, pending final decision as to the best manner of entering St. John by an independant line to reach the Union depot, the main yarrds and Courtenay bay.
To do this may make it necessary to construct a low grade and independent line from Westfield,, which could be done by constructing a bridge over the St. John River, making the entrance to the St. John Union depot on a viaduct over Mill street. This would involve the construction of a new train shed on the site of the burned elevator, together with a double track freight line for the business of the Canadian Government railways and the Canadian Pacific railway, which would ultimately be followed up by the construction of a new passenger station and passenger terminal facilities.
It is further proposed that in view of its proximity to the Maine Central railway, a connecting link be constructed between the St. John and Quebec railway and the Maine Central railway.
A connection of this character would give the city of St. John a second independent railway connection with New England; besides it provides a short line to New England points from the central and Northern portions of the province. It would become the Canadian Government railways main line for forest products business destined to New England points from the railways under our charge tributary thereto, and would enable us to secure a better division of through freight and passenger rates than we are able to secure at present by the more circuitous routes.
It is recommended, therefore, that authority for the construction of a branch line under the St. John and Quebec railway charter, be granted, to connect it with the Maine Central railway by the most feasible route.
Yours truly,
(Sgd) F. P. Gutelius.
Hon. Dr. Reid,
Acting Minister of Railways and Canals, Ottawa, Ont.
In view of this recommendation from the officers of the Transcontinental railway to the acting Minister of Railways and Canals, it became the duty of the acting Minister of Railways and Canals to submit the proposals contained in the letters, which I have just read, to the Government of the province of New Brunswick. This was done in a letter written on 1st March by the acting Minister of Railways and Canals, and addressed to the Prime Minister of that province:
Ottawa, 1st March, 1916.
Dear Mr. Clarke:
Some time ago you wrote Honourable Mr. Hazen and asked him to interview Honourable Mr. Cochrane, Minister of Railways and Canals, in reference to the St. John railway situation. Owing to Mr. Cochrane's present indisposition it has fallen to me, as Acting Minister during his absence, to go into this, and I sent for Mr. Gutelius and took the matter up with him. I have gone into it very fully and I must say that Mr. Gutelius is very strongly of the opinion that the feasibility of building the bridges across the Kennebecasis and St. John rivers is open to grave question and subject to such great-risk, and the cost together with maintenance for all time so great that it has convinced him and also me, that the route as originally proposed is not in the best interests of all concerned. In addition to that when your Government first went into this scheme it was with a view of affording a connection between the Grand Trunk Pacific and the city of St. John. Since that time the Government has been obliged to take over and operate the Transcontinental railway, and as the Intercolonial railway already has a first-class connection with the Transcontinental railway at McGivney's, this alters the entire situation, and I believe a reconsideration of the proposal and a re-arrangement of plans will result in much better business to the St. John and Quebec railway, and a much better service to the citizens of St. John and that portion of New Brunswick served by the St. John and Quebec railway.
After discussing the whole matter thoroughly with Mr. Gutelius I had him put in writing a suggested re-arrangement of the scheme. I also had him take up the question of bridges with his Chief Engineer as well as Mr. C. N. Mon-

sarrat. who is in charge of the construction of the Quebec bridge, and both are strongly of the opinion that Mr. Gutelius' proposition is the one that should be adopted.
I asked that you come here or send some one to represent your government to discuss this matter, and I was very sorry indeed to hear that you were ill but was very glad to meet Honourable Messrs. Murray and Baxter to-day. I have gone into the matter thoroughly with them, have explained it fully and am now enclosing you a full copy of the correspondence which has passed recently in connection with the proposal.
Before taking this matter up with the Premier and members of the Cabinet I thought it advisable to submit this to you and your government for their consideration and would ask that after having considered it you would advise me what conclusion is arrived at.
Of course, you can understand that if it is agreed that the proposed re-arrangement is acceptable to both parties then the proposed construction of the bridges across the Kenne-becasis and St. John rivers is abandoned, and that you will at once proceed with the new route and have it reach Westfield at the earliest possible date.
It does strike me that if this re-arrangement is carried out, and if the city of St. John by this means secures two routes through Maine to the New England States it is of very great Importance to the people of your province.
As soon as you are able to consider this matter and let me have your decision I will then submit the entire question to the Dominion Government, and if it is approved will be glad to submit to the House any legislation that may be necessary for the purpose of giving effect to the conclusions arrived at.
Tours very truly,
J. D. Reid,
Acting Minister.
The Honourable Geo. J. Clarke,
Prime Minister of New Brunswick, Fredericton, N.B.
Mr. I'UGSLEY: What is the date of Mr. Reid's letter?


Robert Rogers: The first of March. That letter of the first of March, addressed to the Premier of New Brunswick, was answered on the 7th of March by a telegram as follows :
Hon. J. D. Reid,
Acting Minister of Railways and Canals, Ottawa.
Government in session last night approved your proposition regarding St. John and Quebec railway contained in your letter of March first addressed to Premier Clarke. Am confirming by letter.
A letter of the same date was addressed to the Hon. Dr. Reid, in the following terms:
Confirming my telegram of this morning, I beg to advise you that the Government of New Brunswick in session last evening, considered very fully and approved by the proposition regarding the St. John and Quebec railway
[Mr. Rogers.!
contained in your letter to the Hon. Mr. Clarke, Premier of this province, under date of March 1st. instant.
Tours very truly,
(Sgd.) J. A. Murray,
. Acting Premier.
Now we have there the proposal as originally made and accepted by the Government of New Brunswick. Therefore, I am submitting to the House in a frank manner as was suggested by the hon. member for Carleton, all the facts and circumstances as we understand them. It was evidently thought by the Government of the province of New Brunswick that this was a very desirable arrangement, or otherwise I am sure they would not have accepted it. I can appreciate how ready they should be to accept it in view of the fact that they are going to get almost an immediate connection with the city of St. John, or at least during the coming year, for their Valley railway, a consideration that I am sure is appreciated by the people of New Brunswick and especially by the people of St. John. I can understand, as was stated by my hon. friend this afternoon, that there are a great many difficulties incident to the operation of a line of railway which has no direct connection with such a centre as the city of St. John. It was stated by my hon. friend this afternoon that, in connection with the construction of this line from Gagetown to Westfield, it would not have direct connection with St. John and that the trains would go over the Canadian Pacific railway from Westfield to St. John. The original proposition was that the line was to start from some point on the Intercolonial about eight or nine miles from St. John, cross the Ken-nebacasis and the St. John river at Mistake and then run up the St. John river valley to Andover. The only difference is, running for the present year, or perhaps two years, over the Canadian Pacific railway, a distance of 14 miles, as against running over the Intercolonial for a distance of 8 or 9 miles as originally proposed. It was suggested by my hon. friend that the Government are not keeping faith in the matter of the construction of these bridges for the purpose of carrying out this railway project as was promised by this Government under legislation adopted by this House. But, in view of the fact that it has been discovered that we can get connection with St. John and save the Dominion of Canada $2,163,000, the estimated cost of building a bridge over the St. John river at Mistake, and in view of the saving, as suggested by the report of the engineers which I have just read, to the

province of (New Brunswick, of $700,000, I think that the House and the country will agree that the officers of the Intercolonial railway and the Government of the province of New Brunswick are acting wisely and well in the public interest, especially under present conditions, in saving that amount of money, and also in view of the fact that they are going to get practically the same results in the end. That, to my mind, is the important condition. The Government are trying in no way to escape the responsibility for the undertaking which they assumed in connection with the construction of these bridges. The conditions since that time have entirely changed by reason of the fact that the Grand Trunk Pacific have failed to take over the Transcontinental railway and in view of the fact that we have the advantage to-day of a connection at McGivney junction with Fredericton and that with the construction of this railway from Gagetown to St. John, we will have direct connection with that great, national port through which our products will be shipped during the winter months.
My hon. friend this afternoon quoted at some length from a statement made by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries in 1912, in which the minister stated very definitely that the line would undoubtedly be built from Centreville to Grand Falls. The hon. member for Carleton also quoted from a speech by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries two years later, when the minister had some little doubts as to the carrying out of this proposal. I would point out that the Minister of Marine and Fisheries was absolutely right in making the statement he did in 1912. Any man knowing the conditions, and the purpose for which the Valley railway was constructed, namely, that of making connection with the Transcontinental, would have made the same statement as the minister made in 1912. At that time he did not know that the Grand Trunk Pacific were not going to take over- the Transcontinental, but when he made his statement in 1914 he probably had some intimation of that possibility, and of our having the connection we have to-day. In view of the fact that we have that connection, there is no pressing need at the moment for the construction of the line from Andover to Grand Falls. 'Though I am not in a position to know, I believe that the 'Government of New Brunswick are bound to carry out their proposition; they are anxious to do it, and I am satisfied that they will do it as soon as it is possible. In
the meantime, their first duty is to make connection between Gagetown and the city of St. John.
My hon. friend also dealt at some length with the terms of the agreements between the province of New Brunswick and the Railway Department. I should like now to place on Hansard a statement I have received from the department with respect to this matter. Much of the information contained in this statement has already been supplied to the hon. member in reply to questions he had placed on the Order Paper. The statement is as follows:
We commenced operations between Fredericton and Centreville on January 1st, 1915, on the understanding that the deficiency in receipts, if any, would be borne equally by the province and the Dominion. This arrangement was terminated on March 31st, 1915, with the Provincial Government owing us $2,977.51-their half of the deficit. On April 1st a service on a new basis was instituted whereby the Railway Company and the Provincial Government were to receive 40 per cent of the gross earnings, and we also on May 31st undertook the weekly operation of the portion constructed between Fredericton and Gagetown. The result of these operations was a deficit of $24,579.40, and in addition there is due the province and the Railway Company 40 per cent of the gross earnings, amounting to about $18,733.65. Thus the total deficit for the nine months, to December 31st, 1915, on account of this transaction amounted o $4?,313.05, to which should be added the net deficit to us for the first three months of 1915 of $2,977.51, making a total deficit for the year's operation of $46,290.56.
It was this result of the first year's operation that convinced the Minister of Railways that the operation of the road was bound to be a losing proposition unless it could be continued to St. John and also connected with an American road in order that the line could obtain the benefit of through business West and South.
Due notice was therefore given the Railway Company and the Provincial Government that the forty and sixty per cent arrangement would cease on December 31st. The department's action in this respect was based on a legal opinion of the Department of Justice, a copy of which will be brought down with the correspondence.
Since the first of the present year the Government railways have been operating and retaining the entire receipts, subject, of course, to an agreement which has yet to be reached between the Dominion and the province as to whether any portion of the receipts shall be turned over to the province before the completion' of the road and while the road is losing money.
The St. John and Quebec railway has not yet been paid any portion of the forty per cent that is due them, for the reason that during construction we supplied them with rails, train service, track signs, etc., and expended considerable money in constructing local freight facilities, and also assisted them in the construction of their main line westward from the Fredericton "Y". In connection with these items, we have a considerable contra account, but these accounts are in process of adjustment between the parties concerned.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Did the minister state that since the first day of January the province has not received any portion of the earnings of the road?


Robert Rogers: My hon. friend is not correct in that impression. They have not received anything up to date. It is a matter of adjustment between the Railway Department and the province.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Has the Federal Government or the Department of Railways and Canals refused to carry out the 40 and 60 per cent arrangement?


Robert Rogers: They have not actually refused, but my horn, friend will have observed, that the statement mentioned a deficit of $46,000 in one year. The Minister of Railways was anxious to have a re-adjustment, and to have the road constructed from Gagetown to St. John in order that deficits might be avoided in the future. That is the proposition which he has so strongly pressed, and which has been accepted by the Government of New Brunswick. In the meantime the 40 and 60 per cent arrangement remains to be adjusted between the Minister of Railways and the *Government of the province of New Brunswick.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: And, the Government of New Brunswick agrees to that?


Robert Rogers: I have not heard that they have agreed to it. The St. John and Quebec railway has not yet been paid any portion of the 40 per cent that is due.
In respect to the operation of the railway from Fredericton to Gagetown, the Acting Minister of Railways was stating the other night that they had been operating that portion of the road, and also the portion between Fredericton and Centreville when the hon. member for Carleton interrupted,:
Mr. Carvel'l: Tou had better draw that statement a little milder.
Dr. Reid: We have been operating it.
Mr. Carvell : One train a week.
Now, that was an entirely unfair inference. The operation between Fredericton and Centreville (88 miles) has been a daily service since the opening of that portion of the road on January 1, 1915. Between Fredericton and Gagetown (a distance of 31 miles) we commenced operation by giving a weekly service from March 20, 1915, to December 21, 1915. On December 21, 22, 23, 24, and, 25, during the Christmas rush, two trips were made over that ehd of the

line each day. Since then a tri-weekly service has been given on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays, and will continue. My hon. friend complained this afternoon of the possibility of connection being mad,e between the Valley railway and an American line. I have already submitted to the House a letter in which Mr. Gutelius speaks of the advantage such a connection would be. My hon. friend pointed out the great expense that would be involved in the building of a line from some place close to Fredericton, to Vanceboro. But there are other points that might be closer than that. Would, not a line from Meductio to the 'American system be-


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Would my hon. friend allow me? The distance from Meductic to any point on the American 'system of railways would be about the same distance as from Fredericton to Vanceboro, possibly five miles less, but two-thirds of that would be through American territory, and we would be compelled to build a railway through the state of Maine. In addition to that, the Intercolonial railway would have to transport traffic over the present Valley railway to Meductic, a distance of fifty miles. Therefore there would be a loss both ways, a loss in extra transportation to Meductic, that is for goods coming from Nova Scotia, and also a loes in transportation through probably thirty miles of American territory.


Robert Rogers: I hope my hon. friend's statement is correct because the American railways are only too glad to make a connection at that particular point, and the distance will be only twenty miles from Meductic to the international boundary. If this connection is made, it will undoubtedly be of great advantage to the Valley railway and give an outlet to American points.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That idea is more visionary than the other. You had better stick to the other.


Robert Rogers: It is not visionary. I am only stating the circumstances as they are presented to me.
I do not know that there is much more that the hon. member has stated that requires any answer. I have covered the ground so far as I understand the situation. The Government of New Brunswick apparently has accepted the proposal as made, and I am sure that it is acting wisely and well in eo doing, because a

double purpose is served, namely, a connection is given with the city of St. John to the Intercolonial and the Transcontinental, and it is assured that the Valley railway will, from the day the line is completed, become a paying proposition to the province of New Brunswick, the Dominion Government, and every one who has any connection with it. It is evident that it is running through a very good portion of the province of New, Brunswick, and, with the administration that it is certain to receive at the hands of the railway department, I am satisfied that it will be a paying proposition and of great advantage to the province of New Brunswick as well as to the Dominion.
I was a little sorry that my hon. friend was so bitter in his reference to the Government of the province of New Brunswick. As far as I understand the circumstances, and their attitude, they have but one purpose, to serve, and that is, to act in the best interests of the people whom they represent, by giving them the best arrangement possible under existing conditions. It is true, as I stated at the outset, that they had placed upon them the responsibility of building this Valley railway as the result of the incompetence and mismanagement of hon. gentlemen opposite in earlier days. They are, however, doing the best that can be done, and they are doing it in a manner that, I believe, is satisfactory to the people of that province.
My hon. friend told us a long story to-day about an investigation he had held, and about the Prudential Trust and so on, endeavouring to imply that there was something wrong in connection with the administration of the Government of New Brunswick, and although he referred to the investigation which was held and which he himself conducted not very long ago in that province, he forgot to tell us that, after he had held that investigation, there was an election in his own constituency owing to ,the resignation of the Premier of New Brunswick, who had formerly represented it; that the record of the Valley railway was submitted to that intelligent constituency-I think my hon. friend will agree with me that it is an intelligent constituency-and that their verdict was to give to the Government candidate a handsome majority of something like 700 votes, one of the largest majorities that the Conservatives have had in that constituency so far as I am aware. That is an evidence that
that Government of the province of New Brunswick are close to the hearts of their people, and that their conduct and their efforts to secure an extension of a railway system so necessary for the development of their province and of the great port of St. John, are such as to merit the confidence and respect of the people of that province.
There is nothing that this Government can do to assist in the carrying out of that enterprise that we are not prepared to do. We are prepared to assist generously and liberally, if it is necessary, in the extension of the railway that is to be carried on later between Westfield and St. John, and if there is expense in connection with the bridges there we will come to' the relief of the people of New Brunswick, believing as we do that it is in the interest of the people of Canada to >secure the most direct connection with that national port, and believing as we do that the connection, at MeGivney Junction gives us as direct connection as would the connection between Grand Falls and iSt. John, But that is a matter for the province itself, and the Provincial Government are no doubt anxious to carry out that .scheme, and they will no doubt do so at the earliest possible opportunity.
I do not know that there is much more to add from the point of view of the Railway Department. I have endeavoured to fulfil the request of my hon. friend and have frankly given the circumstances and all the facts connected with the negotiations that .have taken place between the Railway Department and the Government of the province of New Brunswick.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Has an agreement been reached with the Government of New Brunswick as to the building of the proposed road from a point north of Fredericton to Vanee-boro? As I understand it, the hon. minister read a letter from Mr. Gutelius pointing out the advisability of building it, but I did not hear who was to pay for building it in case the road was actually constructed.


Robert Rogers: While the Government of New Brunswick have answered definitely in respect to the extension of a line from Gagetown to St. John, they have not .answered definitely as to a connection between some point on the Valley railway and the American line. I understand the closest possible connection is from Medue-,tic to some point on the international boundary.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is not my point.
Who is to pay the expense of building the road?


Robert Rogers: I suppose the Valley railway will 'assume the responsibility of building the road from Meductic to some point on the international boundary.
Mr. PUGSLE-Y:	My hon. friend has
not been very definite as to two propositions. One is, as to the connection between Fredericton and Vanceboro or some other point on the International boundary. As I understand it, Mr. Gutelius recommends that that branch be built by the St. John and Quebec railway by enlarging the provisions of the present statute, under which provision would be made for the Government of New Brunswick to guarantee the bonds of the road. That would mean an addition to the indebtedness of the province of New Brunswick by the cost of this connection with the New (England system. That is the proposition of Mr. Gutelius)


Robert Rogers: That is the proposition.


William Pugsley: I do not wonder that
the Government of New Brunswick has not signified to this Government its acceptance of such a proposition. I do not hesitate to say that such a proposition would be resisted most strenuously by the vast majority of the people of New Brunswick, because they feel that they have already on their shoulders a sufficiently heavy burden in connection with the Valley railway without undertaking a further obligation of two. or three million dollars for the purpose of getting another, and to my mind, utterly useless connection with the New England system. As my hon. friend from Carleton so well put it, the connection between St. John and Fredericton, Woodstock and all other points up and down the St. John river by means of the Canadian Pacific railway is now very satisfactory and answers every reasonable purpose, and for Mr. Gutelius to seek to have the people of New Brunswick undertake this additional burden of something like two or three million dollars is altogether a most startling proposition. I am not surprised that the Government of New Brunswick has been too alarmed at the proposition to say " yes" or "no" to the question of my hon. friend the acting Minister of Railways.	,
There is another noteworthy point in this matter, and that is the extraordinary haste with which the correspondence seems

to have been completed. Here is an undertaking which has involved the province of New Brunswick in a liability of nearly $6,000,000, an obligation entered upon by the people of New Brunswick upon a distinct and positive understanding with both political parties that have the control of the affairs of Canada for a number of years. That understanding was that the road should be built from St. John to a connection with the Transcontinental railway at Grand Falls; that the road was to be buil't to a high standard, so that it might be used as part of a transcontinental system in bringing the traffic of our western country to the port of St. John. It was upon that positive understanding that the people of New Brunswick agreed to accept the obligation; an obligation of almost staggering proportions for such a small population.


Robert Rogers: Where does the hon. gentleman find that agreement? '


William Pugsley: It is in the statutes. Let me tell the hon. gentleman where it was first found. The Provincial Government, a Conservative Government, recognized the desirability set forth by myself and our supporters from New Brunswick when I was a member of the Liberal Government, and negotiated with us for Government aid towards the construction of a railway up and down the valley of the river St. John. I remember that I insisted most strenuously-and I was backed up by all our supporters from the province of New Brunswick-that the road should form a part of the Transcontinental system. In the Dominion Railway Subsidy Act, we repealed all previous subsidy provisions, and provided for one subsidy for the whole road from St. John to Grand Falls, a distance of about 220 miles. There was found the first agreement, and in that proposition the then Government of New Brunswick heartily concurred. But they felt that before they could be justified in engaging the credit of the people of New Brunswick for the guarantee of bonds to the very laTge amount of $25,000 a mile, they must ensure beyond all question that the road was to be constructed from St. John to Grand Falls, so as to form part, as I have said, of the Transcontinental system.
There was another proposition, and that was that the Government of Canada should operate the line, when constructed, as part of the Intercolonial, and, no matter what the net earnings might be, should pay over

to the railway company, as protection to the province of New Brunswick, 40 per cent of the gross earnings of the road. I remember that it required a good deal of argument with my colleagues to get them to agree to that proposition. It was said to me-and said with a good deal of truthfulness-that forty per cent was a large proportion for the Government of Canada to pay over to the province, that the net earnings might not amount to so much, and that the amount to be paid to the province should be based on the net earnings. But I pointed out to my associates in the Government, especially to my hon. friend (Mr. Graham), then Minister of Railways, and to my right hon. friend (Sir Wilfred Raurier) then leader of the Government, that unless . some liberal arrangement of this character were made, it would be impossible for the company, even with the provincial guarantee, to raise the necessary money to enable the road to he constructed-for it was recognised that a larger amount would be r-equired than the amount of the Government guarantee. After a good deal of argument, my right hon. friend, (Sir Wilfred Raurier) came to the opinion that, as the valley of the St. John river was one of the oldest settled districts in the province of New Brunswick, having been settled for upwards of a hundred years, and yet was still, in many parts, without railway facilities, and as the road was to run through a most beautiful and fertile section of the country, the people of Canada might well undertake the obligation to pay forty per cent of the gross earnings to the company which should construct the road, which forty per cent, of course, would go, in the first place, to meet the obligations of the province in the guarantee of the bonds. The Government finally agreed to that proposition, and, if I remember rightly, a Bill was introduced and passed. I think the Act was passed when the late Government was in power. And that formed the first contract. Then I find that in 1912 a contract was entered into between this Government and the railway company, and also the Government of New Brunswick, providing for assistance towards the bridges in connection with the construction of the line. There were embodied in the statutes the two contracts made by the late Government of Canada and this Government, in which there was a positive and binding agreement upon the Parliament of Canada that a subsidy should be given for the railway all the way from St. John to Grand Falls, that,
as the road was completed in sections, the Government of Canada should take it over and run it, and pay to the province forty per cent of the earnings; and that the Government of Canada should aid in the construction of the bridges, and, later, that the Government of Canada should build the bridges with Dominion money. My hon. friend (Mr. Rogers), I think, cannot desire stronger evidence of that being the agreement as between the people of New Brunswick and the people of Canada acting through their Parliament. Yet, notwithstanding that solemn agreement, an agreement upon which the people of New Brunswick undertook these obligations-for it is not Premier Clarke, nor Attorney General Baxter, nor the members of the Provincial Government^alone who are committed to these obligations, they are to pay their share as taxpayers, of course; but it is the small population of 350,000 people in New Brunswick upon whose shoulders this enormous, this staggering obligation falls-the Minister [DOT]>f Public Works comes down and lightly tells this Parliament and the people of Canada that this solemn agreement is now to be set aside, and that this road, instead of forming part of the Transcontinental system, is to be merely a branch line of the Canadian Pacific railway-for that is all that it is to be. And in what time, do you think, were all these matters brought to a head? Mr. Brown writes a letter on February 26 of this year to Mr. Monsarratt in which Air. Monsarratt is asked to give his opinion with regard to the most desirable route to take. Mr. Monsarratt writes his answer on February 28, two days after the date of Mr. Brown's letter. Mr. Monsarratt's letter apparently reaches Mr. Gutelius on the same day, and on that day Mr. Gutelius writes to Dr. Reid, the acting Minister of Railways, acquainting him with the conclusion at which his engineers have arrived. This is the way this matter, the most important from a financial and business standpoint with which the people of New Brunswick have ever been called upon to deal, was considered. You find it considered by Mr. Brown's letter of February 26. You find Mr. Monsarratt has it before him and writes on February 28. On the same day Mr. Gutelius writes to Dr. Reid and on March 1, Dr. Reid writes to the acting Prime Minister of New Brunswick, suggesting that these changes have been recommended and asking what the provincial government think about it. Without taking the people of New Brunswick into his confidence, without waiting for the

meeting of the legislature in order to see what the representatives of the people thought about it, the acting Prime Minister wired Dr. Reid on March 7, approving of the proposed agreement, and followed it by a letter under the same date entirely agreeing with this proposition, which was of such enormous importance and which had its inception in Mr. Brown's letter of February 26, just a few days before. Do you think, Mr. Speaker, that that tells the whole story? Does my hon. friend the Minister of Public Works want this Parliament to believe that this matter had not been thought of and talked about and planned before this correspondence began? Why, Sir, the hon. member for Carleton has told you that there was ground for the suspicions of the people regarding the bona fides of the intentions of the Government of New Brunswick to extend the road to Grand Falls. If all reports are to be believed, the Canadian Pacific Railway Company gave their hearty support to the provincial government in 1912. It is well known that while Mr. Fleming, the then premier, was telling the people of Victoria county, from the public platform, that the road would run to Grand Falls as sure as the sun should rise the next morning, a prominent official of the Canadian Pacific Railway Company was stating that he had the positive pledge of Mr. Fleming that the road would never be built to Grand Falls. And, Sir, the suspicions of the people of that day are being verified by what is before us to-night. The first step toward fulfilling the pledge of the provincial government to the Canadian Pacific Railway Company, in violation of the solemn pledge they were making to the people of Victoria county and the people of St. John, was to do away, as the Minister of Railways got this Parliament to do away, with that portion of the subsidy -which was to apply to the railway between Andover and Grand Falls. That was the first step in this outrageous proposition which has been carried on, not openly, but consistently, from that day to this, in order to fulfil the pledge which Mr. Fleming made to the Canadian Pacific Railway Company; in order to carry out the plot which to-night is being consummated by the declaration of the Minister of Public Works that the St. John Valley railway is to begin at Centreville and is to end, so far as the undertaking of the Provincial Government is concerned, at Westfield,. Does my hon. friend question what I say? Let him take the letter of Mr. Gutelius. Perhaps it has 
not impressed itself on his mind; it did impress itself on my mind. Mr. Gutelius says, as clearly as words can state it, that the undertaking of the Provincial Government is to end at Westfield. In other worc^s, so far as the Provincial Government is concerned, this road is to be a branch of the Canadian Pacific railway, beginning at Westfield, running to Fredericton, and extending to Centreville, a small village about twenty-five miles north of Woodstock-in every respect a branch line of the Canadian Pacific railway. And, so the obligation to the Canadian Pacific Railway Company is being paid to-day. So are being fulfilled their hopes and their aspirations that the Valley railway, instead of being a competing line, instead of being part of a great transcontinental system, is to be simply a branch, an annex, an adjunct, of the great Canadian Pacific railway.
My hon. friend the Minister of Public Works has quoted figures as to the relative cost of the two lines. But in the one case he has given us the entire cost from Gage-town to St. John by what he calls the bridge route, and in the other case he has given us the cost simply from Gagetown to Westfield. My hon. friend has not told us what it would cost to build an independent line into St. John. If he knows the country he knows that it will cost a very large sum of money.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: From Westfield down?


William Pugsley: From Gagetown down to St. John; it would, cost a very large sum of money. I know something of the country from Mistake down to Westfield; if the route follows the shore line a great deal of heavy rock-cutting will have to -be done. It will also be a very expensive undertaking to build a bridge across the Nerepis river where it empties into the St. John river. That bridge would have to be half a mile long. The Nerepis has a muddy bottom; I know something about it, because when I was in the Provincial Government I had, a good deal to do with the building of a highway bridge there. 1 venture to say that the building of a bridge across that river would cost as much money as the total amount Mr. Monsarrat. has put in for the building of the road, from Gagetown to Westfield. In order to make connection with the Canadian Pacific railway at Westfield, this bridge would have to be built. Has my hon. friend thought for a moment what it would cost to get from

Westfield to St. John by an independent route? , There would be a great deal of rock cutting, the road would cost more than a railroad ordinarily costs. You get down to Fairville; then how are you go-9 p.m. ing to get into St. John east?
If you are going by an independent line, you will have to build a bridge across the St. John river. Has my hon. friend thought where this bridge will be built? Is it to be across Navy island, or is it to be across St. John river by the falls? May I ask my hon. friend whether the proposal has gone that far-as to which way the line is to come?


Robert Rogers: No, it has not.


William Pugsley: Let me tell my hon.
friend that by either route the cost will be a great many hundreds of thousands of dollars. The right of way alone through the city of St. John would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. If it is to be built by Navy island, the cost of the approaches would be very large; the railroad bridge alone would cost $750,000.


Robert Rogers: I venture to say that my hon. friend did not catch correctly what I read from Mr. Gutelius' letter. He surely wants to be fair, and to have the facts properly placed in his mind. My hon. friend suggested that the cost of the line from Westfield to St. John is not included in this saving of $707,000. My hon. friend is not correct in that statement. Let me quote from the letter from Mr. Gutelius to the Minister of Railways, which I read a moment ago:
It is found that we can reach St. John Union depot by remaining on the west side of the St. John river via Westfield, by a route which, if following the river, is at most one mile longer than the Bridge route above described, and that this railway can be constructed for $707,000 less cost to the St. John and Quebec railway for their portion and save the $2,163,000 cost of bridges to the Dominion Government, or a saving to both governments of $2,870,000 as compared with the bridge route, and our engineers are of the opinion that the Westfield route could be shortened considerably when making their final location surveys.


William Pugsley: Did Mr. Gutelius give the minister any statement of what it would cost to bridge the St. John river at Navy island to get right in to and through the city of St. John. .


Robert Rogers: I understand that that would not be very expensive.


William Pugsley: It would be very expensive indeed. The present bridge used by
the Canadian Pacific railway is entirely too light. Trains with two engines cross from St. John to Fairvil'le, and there they attach heavy locomotives to haul the trains to Montreal and the West. The bridge was found to be too light altogether for the heavy engines of the Canadian Pacific railway, and very soon they will have to construct a stronger bridge. I am satisfied that Mr. Guetelius has entirely underestimated the cost of bridging the St. John river at the city df St. John, the cost of the bridge's approach by Navy island, and also the cost of the right of way.
There is another objection to be made to this proposed change, and that is, that these things were considered when this agreement was entered into. The Canadian Pacific railway ran from St. John to Westfield, just as it does to-day, and all theee things were thought of. The people "of New Brunswick wanted an independent line into the port of St. John, and with the same knowledge then that we have to-day, the Provincial Government of New Brunswick, the Liberal Government here, and the Conservative Government here all agreed that the line should not simply go to Westfield but that it should be built into
S.	John; and after very careful Consideration it was determined to build it by the eastern Toute so as to go into the city by way of the Intercolonial.


Robert Rogers: Will the hon. member permit me to give him some more information on that particular point. (Reading):
If this is acceptable, then the Dominion Government will secure from the Canadian Pacific railway running rights from the point of connection to St. John over the Canadian Pacific railway on some seasonable basis to be arranged, pending final decision as to the best manner of entering St. John by an independent line to reach the Union depot, the main yards and Courtenay bay.


William Pugsley: That is exactly what I have said; it is proposed to use the Canadian Pacific railway.


Robert Rogers: Pending a final decision. It is simply a temporary arrangement.


William Pugsley: My hon. friend is wrong in saying it is only temporary.


Robert Rogers: It says "pending a final decision."


William Pugsley: Will my hon. friend say there is any agreement between the two Governments that the road will be built from Westfield into St. John?


Robert Rogers: Undoubtedly; as I understand it, the road must be built from Westfield to St. John. This is only a temporary arrangement.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Is there any agreement other than that reached in the correspondence which has been read by the ministei to-night?


Robert Rogers: Not that I am aware of.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Then we can read it for ourselves, and perhaps understand it.


William Pugsley: I find from page 3 of the letter from Mr. Gutelius, which my hon. friend read, that my recollection of what he said was right. He says:
In view of the above and the recommendation of Mr. C. B. Brown, Chief Engineer, Canadian Government railways in his letter of February 26th, Mr. C. N. Monsarratt, Chairman and Chief Engineer Quebec Bridge Commission in his letter to me of February 28th and Mr. Brown's letter of February 28th copies hereto, attached, it is recommended that the New Brunswick, Government be urged to take up and consider a route on the west side of the St. John river, and that a connection be made with the Canadian Pacific railway at a point at or near Westfield where the construction of the St. John and Quebec railway shall terminate.


Robert Rogers: Pending a final decision.


William Pugsley: No; if I understand the meaning of language, I take it that that means that so far as the project to be carried out by the St. John and Quebec railway, in respect to which the Provincial Government have guaranteed the bonds and which this Government has guaranteed to operate, is concerned, the undertaking shall terminate at Westfield.


Robert Rogers: It is just temporary.


William Pugsley: It does not say it is temporary.


Robert Rogers: Read on.


William Pugsley: I will read on:
If this is acceptable, then the Dominion Government will secure frorft the Canadian Pacific railway running rights from the point of connection to St. John over the Canadian Pacific railway on some reasonable basis to be arranged, pending final decision as to the best manner of entering St. John by an independent line to reach the union depot, the main yards and Courtenay bay.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Hear, hear.


William Pugsley: Now, if I understand that language, it means this: that so far as the present project is concerned, it shall terminate at Westfield; and that this Government will investigate. In the first place,
they will endeavour to secure running rights oveT the Canadian Pacific railway, and they will investigate as to the best way of getting into St. John. They may determine in the future to go to St. John, or they may not, but if they do, it is to be a project of the Dominion Government. That is what is meant. Now, in view of the present proposition to have the project, so far as the St, John and Quebec railway is concerned, terminate at Westfield, I think that, before the whole scheme is broken up, this Government ought to be able to state to the House whether they are prepared to proceed with surveys and investigations, and within a reasonable time, to construct, as a Government work, the railway from Westfield into the' union station in St. John and to the yards at Courtenay bay.
But I object to this change for another reason. All the vast improvements .which weTe outlined and contracted for at Cout-tenay bay were a part of the undertaking to build a road from Grand Falls to Si. John, and to make it part of the Transcontinental Railway system. When the late Mr. Hays was president of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company, he had many interviews with the Government. He considered very carefully the lay-out of the terminals at Courtenay bay, and his company, through the Grand Trunk Pacific Development Company, acquired a large area of land at the head of Courtenay bay. He looked forward with the greatest possible hope and confidence to the very near future when over the Valley railway there would come a vast transcontinental traffic, which would have its terminus at Courtenay bay. There were to be great yards there; there was to be an elevator, and there were to be the usual facilities which are always to be found in connection with great ocean terminals.
It was felt that it would be an infinitely better way to reach the terminals as it would be very much more convenient to operate railway trains than it would be if they came in from the western side. If they came from the western side it would be necesary to cross over from the west to the eastern side of the harbour of St. John in order to get to the docks at Courtenay bay and it would be necessary to have a system of switchbacks which would be inconvenient and add to the expense and delay of operating the terminal system. That is why Mr. Hays pronounced himself

absolutely in favour of what Mr. Mon-sarratt and Mr. Gutelius call the bridge route but which we speak of as the route coming down the eastern side of the river St. John from Mistake. My hon. friend cannot be unaware of the fact that these officials of the Grand 'Trunk Pacific the moment it was proposed to change the route and come down the western side of the river, publicly and emphatically declared their opposition to the change of route and said it was utterly absurd to do so it was expected that the road was to form part of The Transcontinental railway system.
But my hon. friend makes the excuse for all this change by saying that the Grand Trunk Pacific have failed to enter into, or carry out, the obligation to operate the Transcontinental railway. I desire to say, in the presence of the minister, that so far as this Parliament is aware, the Grand Trunk has never failed in its obligation to operate the Transcontinental railway. This Parliament has never had placed before it any information from which such a conclusion could be drawn. We do know that this Government, ever since it came into office, has consistently, persistently and deliberately altered the grades and made changes in the terminals of the Grand Trunk Pacific railway which gave the Grand Trunk Pacific an excuse for refusing to operate the road until the specifications were lived up to. That is all the knowledge this Parliament has in regard to the Grand Trunk failing to operate the Transcontinental railway. I would expect that before my hon. friend would make that statement he would give the information to the House upon which he bases it and show that the Grand Trunk Pacific has failed or refused to carry out its obligations.
I, Sir, with all respect to my hon. friend, do not believe one single word of it. My hon. friend may have misinterpreted

no doubt he has misinterpreted-what they have done, but I think it will be found upon examination of the correspondence that all they have done has been to insist upon the specifications of the road being carried out and lived up to by the Government, and I have no doubt that if that is done they will be prepared to enter into the lease which is provided for by the agreement, and which they cannot be expected to do otherwise.
I am extremely sorry that it has come to this. } I had hoped that our expectations that St. John would become the great port
in connection with the Transcontinental railway would have been realized. The people of St. John have long hoped that this would be the case, but when they read in the newspapers to-morrow morning the statement that my hon. friend the Minister of Public Works has made, they will feel that their hopes are blasted, and a feeling of disappointment will spread not only among the people of St. John but among the people of New Brunswick, who take pride in our great commercial city, and who looked forward to a day in the not very far distant future when St. John would be able to take her place as one of the great Atlantic seaports, and through which a vast deal of transcontinental business would be carried both in winter and in summer.
My hon. friend has talked about the cost of these bridges. I think from the correspondence that M,r. Gutelius had made up his mind that the eastern route shall be abandoned. I learned a year ago that Mr. Gutelius had made up his mind to that. How long ago is it that the Minister of Railways said that Mr. Gutelius had been loaned to this Government by the Canadian Pacific? Three years, was it? During that time Mr. Gutelius has done good work for those who loaned him to this Government, and to whose employ he will go back when his three years are up. He has Succeeded in placing St. John as a way station so far as the operation of the Intercolonial railway is concerned. He has arranged it so that any one desiring to go to Montreal will find it intensely inconvenient to go to Moncton to take the Ocean Limited, the best railway train which travels between the Maritime Provinces and Montreal. He will have to stay three or four hours in Moncton, and therefore he will find it infinitely better for his comfort, even if the route is not of as much scenic beauty, to take the Canadian Pacific line rather than attempt to catch the Ocean Limited. In all other respects it will be found that Mr. Gutelius has had an eye-a very open eye-towards Canadian Pacific interests.


Richard Bedford Bennett: May I ask my hon. friend, in all his busy life how many times he has travelled to Montreal from St. John by the Intercolonial railway?


William Pugsley: I could not tell my hon. friend how many times I have gone to Montreal by either route during my bus) life, and, therefore, he is putting to me a hard proposition, but let me tell him that when Mr. Blair was Minister, of Railways, and wfien he placed St. John on the main



line, many of us used to take pleasure in travelling by the Intercolonial to Montreal. While the 'distance "is longer, the pleasure of travelling by the north shore of the province is greater.


Richard Bedford Bennett: In the winter?


William Pugsley: No, the Ocean Limited, only runs in summer.


Richard Bedford Bennett: It runs in winter too.


William Pugsley: Perhaps it does, but I do not think it is running now. But, in the summer there was no lovelier trip that one could take than from St. John to Montreal over the Intercolonial railway. The scenery of the Baie des Cl^aleurs and the Metapedia valley is simply gorgeous. But since this Government came into power it is only with the greatest possible inconvenience that you can go to Montreal via the Intercolonial railway because it involves spending three or four hours at Moncton.	.


Richard Bedford Bennett: Is the Mr. Blair to whom my hon. friend refers the same Mr. Blair who resigned because of the same Transcontinental railway to which reference has been made?


William Pugsley: The very same gentleman, and it is wonderful, Sir, how many political crimes these gentlemen think they can justify by saying that Mr. Blair opposed something that the Liberal Government proposed to do some years ago. They must think that the people of this country can be humbugged.


Richard Bedford Bennett: They could until 1911.


William Pugsley: If hon. gentlemen opposite think that they can make the people forget accusations of political mismanagement, crimes, and offences by saying that Mr. Blair had a difference of opinion with his colleagues several years ago as to the ' question of the route of the Transcontinental railway they are greatly mistaken. My hon. friend can take comfort from the fact, as I have no doubt that the Canadian Pacific will, that at last Mr. Gutelius has succeeded in so presenting the matter to this Government that they have agreed to abandon the St. John Valley railway as part of the Transcontinental railway and simply to run it as a branch line of the Canadian Pacific. But my hon. friend says that they will have running rights over the Canadian Pacific from Westfield, whereas, if the railway came over the eastern

route, crossing the Kennebecasis at Rothesay, it would run for nine miles over the Intercolonial railway. My hon. friend has forgotten that when they run over the Intercolonial railway they are running over the people's railway, and that the earnings, whatever they are, for that nine miles go into the treasury of Canada. When they run oyer the Canadian Pacific railway the earnings go into the capacious pockets of' the Canadian Pacific Railway Company. That is the difference. In one case it is the people's railway that would be benefited, and that would control the matter, so far as the terms are concerned; in the other case the business would be controlled by a private company, and the benefits accruing from the haulage over that mileage would go into the treasury of a private company, and not into the pockets of the people of Canada. Just a word in regard to the bridges, and I shall not detain the House longer.


Mr. HENDERSON:: Hear, hear.


William Pugsley: I am glad to see that my hon. friend from Halton (Mr. Henderson) has a vigour that will enable him to bear the duties of a Privy Councillor for many years to come, I trust. I can assure him that I do not object to his crying " Hear, hear. " It shows he is awake,-
-Mr. R. B. BENNETT: Which you did not expect.


William Pugsley: -which has not always been the case in the past. With regard to bridges, when this Government in 1912, and again in 1914, led the people of New Brunswick to believe that they were going to give this generous encouragement to the building of bridges, it was known then, just as well as it is known to-day, that those bridges would be expensive. The examinations which have been made since have not shown that the bridges would be more expensive than it was thought they would be. I know that Mr. Maxwell, who is the Chief Engineer of the Valley railway, and who was appointed by the Provincial Government, has made a further examination at the instance of the Provincial Government, and has reported that he found good foundations at reasonable depths. I am satisfied that his report will show that the cost of these. bridges, both the one across the St. John river and the one across the Kennebecasis, will not at all exceed what it was estimated they would cost when this Government entered upon the obligation to

build these bridges, and so aid the Provincial Government to that extent. In 1912 this Government promised aid in building the bridges in order to induce the people of New Brunswick to believe that they were disposed to act generously towards that province, which had assumed these great obligations. The legislation was passed by this Government about the time a provincial election was coming on. It would be grossly unfair for me to insinuate that the provincial election had anything to do with it. I know that my hon. friend who has knowledge of elections-that elections are to be won in only one way-would not include legislative promises in the way he thinks elections can properly be run. Therefore, to use the phrase of the Minister of Finance, I can only say that these two events synchronized in a most remarkable manner.


Robert Rogers: I should like to know
what is implied in the insinuation that my hon. friend directs to me.


William Pugsley: I will tell my hon.
friend. My hon. friend has stated in this House that hon. gentlemen on the other side will realize that he knows how to run elections. That is all.


Robert Rogers: I have heard that statement repeated very, very often, but I have not taken any notice of it before because I am very good natured. The statement my hon. friend refers to I made in this House when I was dealing with the attitude of hon. gentlemen opposite in respect to the navy question, which was under discussion at the time. I said that I was prepared to submit to the people the record as presented by hon. gentlemen opposite on the floor of this House;'that I knew and understood what affected the people of Canada in respect to the winning of elections, and therefore knew that that question would carry.


William Pugsley: I am very glad indeed to have my hon. friend throw around his statement the embellishment which he has to-night.


Robert Rogers: No embellishment. If you read Hansard you will see it.


William Pugsley: My hon. friend has put it in a more ornate form, in which it does not seem so harsh as it did to those of us who heard him make it some two or three years ago. I apologize to my hon. friend if, for a single moment, I drew from the statement which he made the idea that he had reference to those less beautiful and more
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reprehensible means of winning an election which are sometimes resorted to. I cheerfully accept his statement, and feel that when anybody in the future intimates that my hon. friend knows how to run elections he has in his mind simply those broad and statesmanlike measures relating to the public good, in which the people would be likely to be interested, and which would therefore be likely to influence them in any decision at which they might arrive when they come to cast their ballots. I can assure my hon. friend that his words to-night ought to lift him to a higher plane and gain for him greater respect and esteem among the people of this country. At all events, these two events synchronized in a most remarkable degree.
This generous legislation made by this Parliament was passed just when a provincial election was impending in the province of New Brunswick. This Parliament, at the instance of the Government, authorized the granting of most liberal aid towards the building of those bridges. Well,' nothing has occurred to make it less reasonable to build those bridges to-day than when the legislation was passed. Afterwards, in 1914, the Government asked this Parliament to agree to the absolute building of three of the bridges. As has been well pointed out by my hon. friend from Carleton this afternoon, the people of New Brunswick took the word of this Government-I will not say for what it is worth, but for what the word of honourable statesmen ought to be worth. They took the word of this Government, and then entered upon increased obligations to the extent of $10,000 per mile additional. Believing that the road would be built from Grand Falls to St. John, they took these vast additional burdens upon their shoulders. And to-night they are Confronted with the statement that the obligations on the part of this Government are to be ignored. They will read the most remarkable statement read to this House tonight, in wkich the acting Minister of Railways, although this Government had entered into a solemn agreement to pay to the province 40 per cent of the gross earnings, notifies the Government of New Brunswick that that arrangement will have to be modified, that this Government is not prepared to carry out its obligation to pay to the province 40 per cent of the gross earnings, and that the province of New Brunswick must be prepared to bear its share of the losses that might occur from time to time. The
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people of New Brunswick are confronted with that absolute repudiation on the part of this Government. To-night, they find that further pressure has been brought to bear. A communication is sent to them asking them to agree to change the whole terms of the obligation which was entered into, and to abandon the idea of a Transcontinental line, and to consent to the building of a line which, as I have said, will simply be a branch line and an adjunct of the Canadian Pacific railway.
I wish simply to say, in conclusion, that I .for one, as representing the constituency of the city of St. John, am profoundly grieved to think that the Government is proposing to do an act of such gross injustice to the people of New Brunswick as is now proposed by the course of events which has been outlined by the Minister of Public Works to-night. Let me express the hope that the Government will consider the matter further. Let me express the hope that some time, at all events, will be given to the people of New Brunswick to make their views heard with respect to this matter. They should not be rushed into the transaction. I know how intense is the feeling of the people of St. John against modifying the original contract. I know how desirous they are of seeing that original contract carried out. And if I can hope to attain nothing else, let me express the earnest desire that the Government will pause before they enter into a binding obligation in this respect, and that they will at all events give an opportunity to the people of St. John and of New Brunswick to express their feelings in this matter. And I believe, if the Government will give heed to what is thought, not only by the people of St. John, but by all the people of New Brunswick, they will not act upon the lines which have been laid down by my hon. friend tonight as indicating what this Government has determined upon and what has been agreed to with the Government of New Brunswick.


Pius Michaud: As a representative of the county of Victoria, I am very much interested in this debate. The terminus of this Valley railway was to be at Grand Falls, one of the nice little towns lying along the St. John river, a progressive town with a large population and a fine surrounding district. A few years ago I followed, with great interest, the debate on this subject and I listened with great attention to the Minister of Railways when he said to my hon. friend from Carleton in

connection with the construction of this railway "Have faith." Well, faith will never build railways in New Brunswick. Faith would never have put the Flemming Government back into power in 1912, a railway had to be built in order to put that Government back into power. I followed also in that same debate the remarks of my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries who, on that occasion, stated that he was just as sure as he was standing in the Chamber that the Valley railway would be built up to Grand Falls. That statement was made four years ago. I could quote his words from Hansard, but my hon. friend from Carleton has already mentioned the volume and the page at which his remarks are to be found. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries certainly had a vision that day, because the railway has never yet been built up to Grand Falls, and from what I know of the hon. minister, I am positive that that road will never be built up to that point as long as he has anything to do with the construction of it.	[DOT]
I have listened to-day to the remarks of my hon. friend the Minister of Public Works, and I believe he has the same vision as the Minister of Marine and Fisheries had. He seems to have a positive assurance that the railway will be built up to Grand Falls. Four years hence, if my hon. friend is on this side of the House, I will tell him that he has had his vision just as the Minister of Marine and Fisheries had. Now, it is just as important to-day to build this railroad as far as Grand Falls as it is to build it to St. John, because we want to have a through route from! the upper part of the province of New Brunswick down to the best winter harbour in the Maritime Provinces. I am not surprised that this railroad is not built as far as Grand Falls. In 1912, our friends the Tories won an election in my county on the question of that railroad. The two *candidates for the present administration stated to the electors of that county that, if they refused to vote for them, they would never have that railroad built as far as Grand Falls. The result was that a little Liberal majority turned into a small Tory majority and the Government elected their two candidates. Another election is coming on pretty soon, probably this year, in the province of New Brunswick, and in the copnt.y of Victoria something must be said in connection with this railway, and the people will probably again be called upon to give their vote to the Government

in order to have a terminus of the Valley railway at Grand Falls.
We have had a discussion on the question of a bridge to be 'built at Andover, and 1 understand from the reports given to-day that the bed of the river is not very good. There are to-day at Andover two bridges built across the St. John river, a highway bridge and a railway bridge, and I have never heard from any one yet that the bottom of that river is not suitable to support piers for a good railway bridge. We have many railway connections to-day between the province of New Brunswick and the state of Maine; we have connections between St. Leonards and Van. Buren, at Aroostook Junction, at Debec Junction, and at Vanceboro. I believe we have now enough railways from the province of New Brunswick into the .state of Maine. To-day we want to build railroads not going too much into the state of Maine; we want, if possible, railroads from the state of Maine into the province of New Brunswick. As far as the cost of building this road to Grand Falls and St. John is concerned, we have been called upon to pay interest on $4,000,000, and the work is not yet completed. It seems as if the present Government will have a deficit as long as that road is unfinished, and it is important that it should be completed from Grand Falls to St. John in order to give a long haul and thus ensure a good revenue to this Government and to the Government of the province of New Brunswick in order to operate the road in the best manner possible.


Arthur Bliss Copp: Mr. Speaker, I would not be doing justice to myself as a representative of the province of New Brunswick if I failed to add a word or two to the subject which is now under discussion and in which every citizen of New Brunswick must be very much interested. During the greater part of the time that this subject was under discussion in the Provincial Legislature, I happened to be a member of that body and therefore I know something about what took place-in regard to bringing down the legislation that finally resulted in the commencement of what is known as the St. John Valley railway. I remember back as far as 1904 and 1905 when this matter was brought up in the House of Assembly in the province and was discussed pro and con by the Government of the day and the Opposition which, at that time, was led by my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and
Fisheries. Delegations from different sections of that part of the province waited upon the Government, pressing upon them the great necessity of giving railway communication to that portion of New Brunswick. My hon. friend from the city of St. John, who, at that time, was a member of the Provincial Government, will remember that the whole discussion rested upon the only real proposition that could be considered : that of linking the railway up with some transcontinental system that would give direct entrance into the city of St. John. My hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, who was the leader of the Opposition at that time, made in the Legislature of 1907 a speech in which lie used these words:
I am quite satisfied that as a purely local road the railway would not pay, and I have every confidence that as part of the Transcontinental system it would be highly beneficial to the province and would not cost the people anything at all.
These are the words of the-Minister of Marine and Fisheries, at that time leader of the Opposition in the province of New Brunswick. Shortly after he uttered these words he came into power as Premier of that province. I was a member of the provincial legislature at that time. As soon as the Government of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Hazen) came into office they took up the question of making some arrangement for building the railway down the valley of St. John. My hon. friend from the city of St. John (Mr. Pugsley) was a member of the Dominion Government of that day, and my hon. friend from Carleton (Mr. Carvell) was also a member of this House, and both of them took great interest in assisting the Provincial Government to arrange some reasonable sdheme by which the railway might be built. The proposition put forward was that the province of New Brunswick was to guarantee the bonds of the road from Grand Falls to the city of St. John at the rate of 125,000 a mile, and that when the road was completed the Intercolonial should take it over and operate it and pay 40 per cent of the gross receipts to the company. I know how long and thoroughly this matter was discussed and how anxious every member of the legislature was to give all assistance, so that this old-settled portion of the province, which was without railway accommodation while other portions of the province were well supplied, should be traversed by a well-constructed railway. They realized

Transcontinental to the winter port of St. John. What possible excuse can the Government give for taking their present attitude? My hon. friend says that it is going to be cheaper to build the road from Gage-town over to Westfield and on to St. John, than it would to build it the other way.
That is not the promise that was
10 p.m. made to the people of the province of New Brunswick. The promise made by the Government of New Brunswick, backed up and guaranteed by members of the Dominion Government, was that we should have a through line of railway from Grand'Falls to St. John. Now we are to have a short piece of road running from Centreville, in the county of Carleton, to Westfield, or, I believe, WeJsford, on the line of the Canadian Pacific railway. Upon the promise of the Government of the province of New Brunswick, and also of this Government, that they should have this through line, the province guaranteed the bonds and pledged their credit for at least $6,000,000. What have the province of New Brunswick got in return for the pledging of their credit and the spending of this money? Nothing but a short local line of railway from Centreville to Westfield-if they get it even to Westfield. I contend that the province of New Brunswick has not been fairly treated. With a population of only 350,000 people, they have been forced to pledge their credit to the extent of this large sum of money. It is a sin and a shame that this Government should attempt to assist the Government-of the province of New Brunswick to change their course, to continue their deception and their fooling of the people in this matter of railway accommodation, and to pledge their credit for so large an amount. It is putting a load on the shoulders of the [DOT]people of the province of New Brunswick that they are not able to bear. I sincerely hope that the Acting Minister of Railways and Canals, before giving the assistance proposed, will take up the matter earnestly and deliberately with the government of New Brunswick, and try to work out some arrangement by which the original intention, as regards this road, will be carried out, and so give to the people of that section of the province, a railway from Grand Falls to St. John along the route intended, on the east side of the river St. John. My hon. friend speaks of going across from Gagetown to Welsford.


Robert Rogers: I did not say Welsford.
(.Mr. Copp.]


Arthur Bliss Copp: I mean Westfield, but 1
venture to predict that my hon. friend will say Welsford before this time next year. As sure as the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, he will tell us that it will be from Gagetown to Welsford, on the Canadian Pacific railway. That is what will take place. My hon. friend will come here next year, and if he has the privilege of speaking as Acting Minister of Railways, he will say that things have changed, that Mr. Gutelius, Mr. Montsarratt, and Mr. Brown have told him that there is a better route up to Welsford. That is the excuse they are offering now in regard to the changed route, and they will offer it again next year. Ever since the hon. Premier of the province met Mr. Van Home at McAdam and rode in his private car to Montreal, as far back as that, it was decided that the Valley railway would be an adjunct of the Canadian Pacific railway, and nothing else. That was the belief then, and it has become stronger and stronger every day. My hon. friend this afternoon, when speaking of the route of the road, gave ample proof of the reasonableness of the doubt that has existed in the minds of the people of the province of New Brunswick. That doubt has not been dissipated, and in my opinion it never will be dissipated. Before many years have passed over the head of my hon. friend, he will find this road being operated practically by the Canadian Pacific railway, as part of their system, and the little province of New Brunswick will be obliged to pay interest on the bonds for all time.


Mr. O. TURGEON (Gloucester):: Coming from the northern part of New Brunswick, from the country furthest from the district over which this railroad is to be built, I deem it my duty to say a few words. My hon. friend the Minister of Public Works has asked the people of the province to have faith in th^ Government. Faith is acquired or lost according to the direction given by the Administration. I believe it will take a great deal of persuasion on the part of the hon. Minister of Public Works to restore faith in the minds of the people of New Brunswick. This question of the St. John Valley Tailway is an old question in the province of New Brunswick. No local Government attempted io vote money for such a railway, because the other portions of the province, northern New Brunswick and eastern New Brunswick, were always opposed to it. The hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries, when he was

leader of the Opposition in New Brunswick, declared that a road through that valley, operated as a local road, could neveT be made to pay its expenses. The people of northern New Brunswick, whom he represented in the Legislature, and whom we represent in this House, were never in a position to give a vote in favour of granting money towards the building of that railroad until it was proposed to make it a part of the Transcontinental railway from Grand Falls to St. John in order to ensure further development of the trade from the West to the maritime port of St. John. It was to be no adjunct of the Canadian Pacific railway, but part of the Transcontinental railway, starting from the proper point at Grand Falls to St. John. But the moment that the promise of the Government at Ottawa and of the Government at Fredericton was not carried out, the people lost faith. The moment that construction was not begun at Grand Falls, which from a business standpoint was the proper starting point, the moment the Government delayed carrying out that part of the contract and Grand Falls was left out, the people of New Brunswick lost faith in the negotiations between this Government and the Government of New Brunswick. To-day the people of the province are called upon to pay an enormous expense in connection with that railway, and in a deceptive way. They were willing to undertake the burden of that expenditure for the further development of Canadian trade, connecting with the Transcontinental railway, but not for a local road to suit the convenience of the Canadian Pacific railway, as has been well said by the speakers who have preceded me. I only wish to express my own feelings and to voice the disappointment and loss of faith of the people of northern New Brunswick in the Conservative Government at Ottawa and the Conservative Government at Fredericton.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: If no other hon. gentleman has anything to say, I wish very shortly to refer to the frank confession made by the Minister of Public Works this afternoon. I thank him for his sincerity in explaining to us the position as, I think, it exactly exists, or at least exactly as it was given to him. If we have accomplished nothing else by this discussion we have cleared the atmosphere, and the people of New Brunswick will now know, not the worst, perhaps, but something about the
terms and financial burdens that are staring them in the face, and that are likely to continue for generations to come. Just here I should like to say that, while, perhaps, I am a hard political fighter, I am glad that my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, a gentleman for whom I have the greatest regard, has been saved the humiliation of being present this afternoon and listening to the confession made by the Government through the lips of the Minister of Public Works. I think we can also extend our sympathies, to some extent, to the Minister of Railways, whose illness has saved him the humiliation of coming here and making the confession himself, instead of having it made through the Minister' of Public Works, who, of course, has no great personal interest in the matter. From all that has been said by hon. gentlemen this side of the House, I think the Minister of Public Works must have been convinced that a part of the solemn pledge, or contract, between this Government and the Government and people of New Brunswick was that this road should be built from Grand Falls to St. John, and become part of the through line over which transcontinental business would pass. We have the positive statement of the Government of Canada that, so far as they were concerned, they did not want the road to go north of Centreville.


Robert Rogers: I did not say that.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Let us see. I did not take down my hon. friend's exact words, but he read, a letter from Mr. Gutelius, in which it was stated that they saw no advantage in building the road north of Centreville. But he thinks he can smooth it over for his friends in the province of New Brunswick and he said that they hoped, at some time in the future to carry out the contract and continue the road to Grand Falls. I think I am correctly giving the statement made by my hon. friend. As faT as the present is concerned, and the future'too, that is the end of it; it goes to Centreville and stops there. No matter what the ambitions and wishes of the local government in New Brunswick may be, without the hearty co-operation and assistance of this Government, without an undertaking that they will take over and Operate this road, no government in New Brunswick ever could get the money, or would ever dare try to get the money, to carry on the work. From the time this Government takes the attitude that they

will not operate the road north of Centre-ville, that is the end of it and it will never be built.	,
Then the Minister of Public Works has also stated that they are satisfied with the connection through McGivney junction because he states that the great object, so far as the people of Canada is concerned, is to get direct connection with St. John. It makes one laugh to hear the hon. gentleman dilate upon the advantages of that great winter port, about the anxiety of this Government to develop it and how the people of the city of St. John are going to see the business pass through it. I felt I could almost discern tears in my hon. friend's voice when he discussed that question. But in so far as they are ' concerned, the hon. gentlemen opposite are satisfied to have this business go through McGivney junction. The hon. gentlemen dilated upon the importance of having this road finished at once in order that this great volume of business might go through the port of St. John and that the province might be saved from any further loss. He has no hesitation in making the prophecy that the moment this road is cqmpleted down to some point on the Canadian Pacific sufficient business will go over the road to make it possible that -40 per cent of the earnings will pay the interest on $6,000,000. Has my hon. friend considered what that means? Of course, I know he has not, because my hon. friend naturally could not know very much about it. I gave him very great credit for the intelligence with which he discussed the matter this afternoon, not knowing the particular location. But he must remember that there are 52 plus 25 miles which makes 87, or 88, miles of this road from Fredericton down to Centreville which is nothing more than a branch line of, or a feeder for, the Canadian Pacific and over which no great amount of business can ever be hoped for because it simply goes through an agricultural country. It is as rich a country as you will find anywhere in Eastern Canada, but yet it cannot supply sufficient business in order that 40 per cent of it may pay the interest on $35,000 a mile because that is what the province will have to pay for the road. From Fredericton to Westfield, you would have somewhere about 60 miles of line. Let me ask my hon. friend what would be the proper proportion of a car of wheat from Winnipeg to St. John passing over that 60 miles of road and how much does he think 
that 60 miles would earn out of the 2,500 miles of road from Winnipeg to St. John. Why, Sir, if he had 25 cars a day during the whole year I do not believe he would have enough to pay the interest on this sixty miles of road to say nothing of the interest on the other eighty-seven miles from Fredericton north. While it may look rosy to him, and while his engineers may have painted a bright picture and may have made him believe that this connection from McGivney junction would be all that would be required, and would put the province in a position to pay this interest, all I have to say is that they do not know what they are talking about or that they have refrained from giving the minister the information. I am pointing out now the other side of it because, carrying out this present arangement, there are 87 miles costing $35,000 a mile and out of local business only the railway can never pay interest. Under this present arrangement 1 have no doubt that with the most favourable conditions the people of the province of New Brunswick will have to pay some $100,000 to $200,000 a year interest for all time to come. That is a very serious question and [DOT] I do not believe many hon. gentlemen on the other side realize what it does mean. It would not be very much for the province of Ontario, it would not be an awful burden to some of the western provinces having great resources, but it is a millstone around the neck of the people of New Brunswick which will be felt for all time to come. I wish the Minister of Public Works could realize this as we realise it because even now it is not too late to mend, to go back and carry out the original proposal. It is not too late to keep faith with the people of New Brunswick and try to relieve them from the awful financial burden that they see staring them in the face if this arrangement is carried out. Then my hon. friend says they are going to Westfield or, we say, to some other point on the Canadian Pacific. I do not think it makes very much difference because no matter whether they go to Westfield or whether they go to Wels-ford, it only means that the Canadian Pacific gets a little more of the freight rate. The main point is that if they get to 8t. John they are not going to1 have a through connection and they are not going to give us control of the through business originating in the western part of New Brunswick.

Mi. BOiGRIS: We have running rights over the Canadian Pacific.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: You will get running
rights over the Canadian Pacfic, but as far as the people of New Brunswick are concerned, they will end when they get to Westfield.


Robert Rogers: That is only temporary.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I will give my hon.
friend credit for being sincere in making his statement, because I think he is absolutely sincere, but he does not know the conditions. You talk of building another road from Westfield to St. John paralleling the Canadian Pacific through those rock cuts. I do not know of a piece of railway in Eastern Canada that is any more expensive, or would be any more expensive to build, than paralleling the Canadian Pacific from Westfield to St. John.


Robert Rogers: The engineers say it can be done for $700,000 less than the other.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is $50,000 a mile.
I do not believe it.
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Robert Rogers: That covers the line from Gagetown to St. John.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: They can build a line
from Gagetown to Westfield for $50,000 a mile, but to say that they can build it for $700,000' is absolute nonsense.


Robert Rogers: That is the report of the engineers.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: You could not build that road from Westfield to St. John for $50,000 a mile. You could not build it for $60,000 a mile. If any hon. gentleman will keep in his mind what I am saying and the next time he goes to St. John over the Canadian Pacific, if he will just look out and see the kind of country through which he is travelling, the rock cuts and difficult country for the last ten or twelve miles before getting to St. John, he will realize that what I say is true. I do not care if all the engineers in the country would say so; our ordinary, common sense teaches us that these statements are absolutely untrue and impossible. When you come to cross the St. John river, it will cost $600,000 or $700,000 to bridge the St. John at its mouth. My hon. friend from St. John (Mr. Pugsley) stated a short time ago that the present bridge is inadequate. They have to rebuild the present Canadian Pacific bridge across the Falls. If the Government attempted to build another bridge across there and get a right of way from that bridge into the city of St. John, and to the Union Depot, $50,000 a mile, $100,000 a mile, $200,000 a mile would not pay for the cost of getting from that bridge into the Union Station. When they get to the Union depot, they are still some two or three miles from Courtenay Bay. The whole thing is impracticable, and when my hon. friends talk about it, they are talking about something which they know is not feasible, and which they know cannot be carried out. It simply means that they have decided to join on to the Canadian Pacific railway at Westfield and stop there. That is the end of the whole transaction. It is true that they may get running rights over the Canadian Pacific railway for a consideration, but they will be subjecting themselves to the control of the Canadian Pacific railway, and they will have to pay a pretty big percentage in order to get the Canadian Pacific railway to haul their freight over the fourteen miles. My hon. friends may think I am talking a little severely, but I know conditions down there; so does my hon. friend from St. John, and all our friends from New, Brunswick. I wish the hon. member for Charlotte (Mr. Hartt) were here. He knows conditions down there. So does the Minister of Marine and Fisheries. I see some of my Conservative friends from Nova Scotia opposite. They know conditions down there, if they would only speak up and say what they think of this fantastic story that the minister has been narrating, and which was prepared for him by somebody else this afternoon. It is the merest fantasy, with no foundation in fact whatever. The story is absolutely impossible. It simply comes down to this. There are only two schemes. One is to go to Westfield and stop there, and get the Canadian Pacific railway, to haul from there in; and the other is to cross the river farther up, by what is called the bridge route, and strike the Intercolonial railway at Rothesay, and from there go. to the terminals over their own tracks. Am I to understand from the statement and conclusions of the Minister of Public Works that if this extension to Vanceboro is ever built, it will have to be built by the local Government?


Robert Rogers: I did not say that it would be built to Vanceboro.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I will qualify that: either to Vanceboro or some other point on the American system of railways. But am I to understand that wherever it is built to

it will be built by the Government of New Brunswick, and not by the Dominion Government?


Robert Rogers: That is the proposal made by Mr. Gutelius. I do not know whether the Provincial Government has agreed uo it or not.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I want to be fair. I believe the minister told me some time ago that the New Brunswick Government had not accepted the proposal. We want the people of New Brunswick to know exactly what the proposal is, and exactly what the Government of New Brunswick is doing, because we have a lot of difficulty in ascertaining from the Government of New Brunswick the true condition of affairs. We have to adopt these methods in order to get information for the people of our province. That was our object in bringing this matter up, arid, I thank the Minister of Public Works fcir being so perfectly frank and honest about it. He has told the whole story, and now we should be able to send the Hanskrd down to our people in Fredericton, and they will know the stoTy exactly as it is. It is sometimes a great satisfaction to be able to come here and get evidence which has been denied to us at home.	,
My hon. friend referred to the fact that this road might be built from some point on the Valley railway, other than the point a few miles above Fredericton to Vance-boro. I have heard that idea discussed for the last eight or. ten years. The theory is that they would turn off somewhere near Meductic, twelve miles below Woodstock, then go in a southwesterly direction and strike the Maine Central either at Danforth, or possibly as far west as Mat-tawamkeag.


Robert Rogers: Bancroft.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: They might possibly
strike it at Bancroft. But the route I have described is the story as 1 have heard it for the last six or eight years. In fact the Canadian Pacific Railway went so far as to have that line surveyed. I think it was surveyed up to Mattawamkeag. It may possibly be that their object in doing so was to get rid of utilizing any porti: n of the Maine Central. They have running rights from Mattawamkeag to Vanceboro, and they may have intended to go far enough west to eliminate any portion of the Maine Central system. But there is a great bend in the Maine Central railway, and I think the

nearest point would be Mattawamkeag, but whether Mattawamkeag, Bancroft or Danforth you would be compelled to build from 15 to 25 miles of railway through American territory. My hon. friend said this afternoon that the American railways were always out for business. Yes, they are, but I want to tell him that the Maine Central Railway is not out for building any more railways through that country, because there is another railway called the Bangor alnd Aroostook Railway, the majority of the stock of which we are generally led to believe is owned by the Maine Central, although the company is an entirely different entity. The country through which this road would run would not produce any business whatever. The Maine Central would never build a road through that country.


Robert Rogers: They would if they could get a lot of business.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: They can get exactly the same business a't Vanceboro, and by getting it there, they get a longer haul. There is no use jn my hon. friend talking about the Maine Central building a railroad through that country. Why, if they did it would be a shorter haul for themselves, and they are not such gfeat idiots as to do that. So the gentlemen who have been putting up this story to my hon. friend and the Acting Minister of Railways, of making connections at Bancroft or Mattawamkeag with the American system of railways have simply been fooling them. There is nothing to it, and there never can be anything to it. And even Supposing the road was built you would be compelled to haul the freight of Nova Scotia and eastern New Brunswick fifty miles up along the Valley railway before turning it over to this new section. Therefore the whole thing is only a dream, something conjured up. I do not know whether it was conjured up by Mr. Gutelius as a reason for advising this Government to go back on their agreement with the people of New Brunswick, or whether it was conjured up by the Government of New Brunswick as a reason for their going back on their agreement. One is about as bad as the other, and I think it is just the tossing up of a copper whether this nonsensical scheme originated with Gutelius or with the Government. We believe this at least: That if i't is left td the Government of New Brunswick to build, it will never be built, and there will never be a,., harm in it.


There is just one other point, and I hope, Mr. Speaker, you will pardon me if I travel a little out of the line of answering my hon. friend's statements. It is a most remarkable thing to find a Conservative Government, not only of New Brunswick, but of Canada, taking to building more railways in order to get our produce to the United States.


William Pugsley: More truck with the Yankees.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Why, these are the very gentlemen who were tearing their hair out four years ago for fear there would be more trade with the Yankees; the men who were waving the Old Flag about, who said that the lines of communication should be east and west, and not north and south; who said that we should not have any truck and trade with the Yankees, but should trade among ourselves; who said that the manufactured products of Ontario should be sent east to Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. That was the truly loyal way of carrying on the affairs of this country. And now these same people, in the space of four short years, are not simply advising, but compelling, or trying to compel-the New Brunswick Government to build a road at a cost of $1,500,000 in order that we may be able to trade with these despised Yankees. Truly, four years have wrought a wonderful change in the feelings of hon. gentlemen opposite. I congratulate them to this extent: that, if they are not sound on their , railway policy they are a great deal sounder on their trade policy than they were a few years ago, because, so far as we are concerned in my portion of Canada at least, we have no objection, whatever, to all the truck and trade with the Yankees that we can possibly have. It is in the United States that we sell a large part of our produce and where we try to make our money and we have no scruples whatever in trading there. They cannot make the trade too free and too easily accessible so far as we are concerned, but we do object to the expenditure of this $1,500,000 of our good money in order to help Mr. Gutelius work out his scheme or in order to help the Government of New , Brunswick out in their troubles with the people, because such a scheme is not necessary as we have now between the city of Fredericton and the American border all the railway communication that can possibly be required. As was pointed out by my hon. friend from Victoria (Mr. Michaud)
a little while ago, we have the Canadian Pacific railway running from Fredericton to Vanceboro; you go up sixty miles and there the Valley railway makes a connection with the Canadian Pacific railway which goes into the state of Maine again at a place called Houlton via Debec Junction. You go sixty miles above that and you come to another place where the railway could, if it came up to Andover, connect with the Canadian Pacific railway and go into the United States again.


Robert Rogers: Have you a connection at Woodstock?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes, the Valley railway connects with the Canadian Pacific railway, and the Canadian Pacific railway runs into the United States a few miles below Woodstock. Then you go up to Aroostook Junction and the Canadian Pacific railway connects there and runs into the state of Maine, and there is another connection between St. Leonards and Van Buren. With all these connections with the United States, it seems remarkable that my friends want the province of New Brunswick to spend $1,500,000 in order to have another connection paralleling the Canadian Pacific railway, but I hope the expenditure will not have to be made. I again thank my hon. friend the Minister of Public Works for his extreme courtesy' and honesty in giving us so much information, and I can only trust that tlfe resolution will carry and that the papers will be brought down before the close of the present session; in fact, if they are brought down within a week or ten days, it will be of great importance in discussing this matter when it comes up in the legislature of New Brunswick.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.


Mr. J. J. HUGHES (Kings, P. E. I.) moved:: That, in the opinion of this House, it is desirable that necessary action should be taken by the Government during this session to secure an amendment of the British North America Act so as to empower the Legislature of any province to prohibit the importation of intoxicating liquors into such province and the manufacture of such liquors within the province.
He said: Mr. Speaker, when the debate on this subject commenced the discussion was widened to include the resolution which stood on the Ordpr Paper in the name of the hon. member for Vancouver (Mr. COMMONS
Stevens), and also the resolution that stood in my name, because, although the resolutions were somewhat dissimilar, yet they referred to one subject, the prohibition or restriction of the consumption, sale and manufacture of intoxicating liquors, and they were, therefore, alike in certain particulars. The discussion the other day was taken part in by several hon. members, and the hon. member who moved the resolution and, the hon. member who seconded it spoke at considerable length. As it would be well, if possible, that as many members of this House as wish to take part in this discussion should have an opportunity of doing so, I will endeavour to make my remarks brief. There would really be no necessity of making lengthy remarks, because I do not think any argument is necessary to convince the great majority of hon. members of the desirability of legislation along the lines proposed, that is, to restrict, and, if possible, to prohibit the large consumption of alcoholic liquors in the Dominion of Canad,a.
Two speeches were made in opposition to the proposed legislation, one by the hon, member for North Waterloo (Mr. Weichel), who read an article which bore all the marks of having been prepared outside of Parliament by some person or persons interested in the liquor business. As it was, therefore, a megaphonic utterance, I do not think it is necessary to pay any further attention to it. There was, however, a speech delivered by the hon. member for St. Hyacinthe (Mr. Gauthier), which contained some original statements, if not original ideas, and, I think his speech ought to receive some consideration. The hon. member for St. Hyacinthe mentioned two countries in which the people were very temperate, but had other qualities that were very much to be deplored, and be wished the inference to be drawn that it was because the people of those countries were temperate that they were not otherwise desirable people. He instanced Turkey, saying that the Turks were very temperate, but that we should not imitate their habits and customs. I do not know much about the Turkish people, and I have not read much of their history; I have, however, spoken to some men who have travelled in Turkey and traded with the Turks, and I have been informed that, apart from their religion, which makes them consider it a meritorious deed, to shed the blood of a Christian, they are a pretty good people,

and that, for instance, the word of a Turkish merchant is as good as his bond.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: His bond is all right.


James Joseph Hughes: Yes, his bond is all right, and, we have seen instances of Turkish magnanimity. It is recorded of them that at the Gallipoli peninsula they showed a magnanimity and a chivalry which the Austrians, or at least the Germans, have not shown in the great war that is now raging, but I am sure that the hon. member for St. Hyacinthe (Mr. Gauthier) would not suppose for a moment that the Turkish character would , be improved if they added intoxicating liquors to their national beverages.
Then, the hon. gentleman dwelt at some length upon the character of the Spanish people. His object was quite apparent. He said:
Spain, where hatred, where vendetta, where the bitterest passions of humanity are in full flame, is the most temperate country in the world.
I have read something about the character of the Spanish people. I have read books by English ladies and English .gentlemen who have travelled in Spain, who have lived in Spain, and know the character of the people, and who, not being of the same religious faith as the Spaniards, I suppose, would not be prejudiced in their favour. Yet these authors have borne testimony to the splendid character of these people in many respects. Of course, they have the warm southern blood, they are quickly excited to anger, and apt to resent an insult or injury, fancied or otherwise. Yet they are quick to forgive, and when they forgive they forget. But we are told concerning the Spanish people that they are hospitable to a degree, that their family life is pure and sound, and in many cases beautiful, and that they are not only temperate but honest-bars and locks are practically unknown in that country. In Spain the poor are not despised, nor is wealth worshipped. The beggar in the streets of Madrid, according to the books I have read, does not ask for alms in an abject or servile way, but as a brother in distress would ask his brother for help; and if he has to be refused, the man who refuses him apologizes for not being able to help his brother in distress. Should we not be justified in saying that the temperate habits of the people have much to do with their character in these respects? I think we should. Perhaps the hon. member for
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St. Hyacinthe (Mr. L. J. Gauthier) has taken his knowledge of the character of the Spanish people from George .Borrow, Ford, and others, who, it is said, dipped their pens in gall and wormwood, who went to Spain strongly prejudiced, and wrote for the purpose of maligning the people of that country. We are told by men who have travelled in Great Britain-and I believe it is unfortunately true-that alongside of great wealth in that country there is abject, degraded, hopeless poverty. Might we not be justified in attributing that condition of things to the unfortunate intemperate "habits of the people? It might perhaps take some courage to speak of the Spanish people in the way that my hon. friend from St. Hyacinthe spoke of them, for the Spanish people have practically no votes in Canada; but I did not think my hon. friend from St. Hyacinthe possessed that kind of courage. The hon. gentleman also spoke of the people of his province in no complimentary terms, because at some elections there recently they voted in large numbers for the prohibition of intoxicating liquors. He told us that they were assembled in the churches before they went to the polls and were made to swear how they would vote, and then went to the polls like sheep. I do not think the people of the province of Quebec are that kind of people; I do not think they would be such poltroons as to submit to dictation of that kind. But the other members from the province of Quebec, ate quite able to take care of the reputation of their own people. I believe the member from St. Hyacinthe has maligned the people of his own province, and I believe that years hence the statement made by the hon. member may be quoted against the character and methods of the people of that province.


Mr. MOEPHY:: Has the hon. gentleman made any inquiry to find out whether the hon. member for St. Hyacinthe told the truth or not?


James Joseph Hughes: No, I have not made
any inquiry, and I am not denying the statement; but I say that I do not believe it to be true, knowing what I know of the people of Quebec. The hon. member for St. Hyacinthe himself does not seem to be afraid of coercion being brought to bear upon himself, when he openly gave voice to such sentiments as he did in this House. And so I do not think there is coercion of that kind practiced on the people of that province.
The hon. gentleman (Mr. Gauthier) said that prohibition is frequently followed by an increase of intemperance, and that it was so followed years ago in Great Britain. That is a strange statement to make. Why in the world should he oppose legislation of this kind? Why should the distillers and brewers of Ontario be so opposed to it, if it will promote intemperance, if it will promote the greater consumption of alcoholic liquors? The hon. gentleman from St. Hyacinthe, I am inclined to think, proved more than was necessary.


Mr. EDWABDS:: Surely the hon. member is not trying to say that the hon. member for St. Hyacinthe wants to see an increase of intemperance? Or is that his argument?


James Joseph Hughes: I am making my own
argument.


William Cameron Edwards: And making a mighty poor fist of it.


James Joseph Hughes: It does not seem to
please iny hon. friend from Frontenac (Mr. Edwards), and I am sorry for that. I do not know what object he has in view.
We have been told that legislation of this kind is an infringement upon personal liberty. I have read a statement made by Sir Victor Horsley and by others to the effect that a very large number of children are born into the world mentally and physically defective by reason of the intemperance of their parents and grandparents. Investigations were made some few years ago by Dr. MacNicholl of New York among the school children in that city, and he found that a large number of the mental and physical deficiencies of those school children were due to the excessive use of alcohol by parents or grandparents. I saw an article in a magazine a short time ago which had been written by a medical gentleman connected with recruiting in Great Britain, in which it was stated that the number of persons presenting themselves for examination for the army who had mental and physical defects was very large indeed-almost startling. The writer referred also to the large number of persons whose mental and physical defects were such as to cause them to refrain from presenting themselves for examination. Considering also the number of females born under similar conditions, it will be realized that , the number of children that are born into the world mentally and physically unable to

take their proper place in life on account
of indulgence in alcohol on the part of .their parents is exceedingly large. What about the personal liberty of these people? Born under those conditions and handicapped in all the relations of life; are they not to be considered, while the personal liberty of a few must be considered for the sake of the self-indulgence of self-gratification which the use of intoxicating drinks may give them? Should the personal liberty of these last be considered, while a large number who are ruined or injured during their whole lives are not to receive any consideration at all? This is a matter well worthy of the consideration of the members of this House, well worthy of the consideration of the people of this country. This is one of the things that is giving voice to the overwhelming sentiment of the people at this time in favour of legislation along the lines suggested in the resolution of the hon. member for Vancouver and in my own resolution, and embodied, I hope, in the Bill which the Minister of Justice introduced today. I do not know how far that Bill goes; we shall know better when it comes to be considered in committee. It adopts, I think, ir. part, the resolution which I have on the Order Paper; that will be a forward step in the matter of legislation along prohibitive lines. It would be well, I think, if the resolution introduced by the hon. member for Vancouver were adopted by the Parliament, but if that is not thought desirable, and if we go the length of giving full effect to prohibitive legislation in the provinces, that will do much to advance the cause in Canada.
A good deal has been said about personal liberty in connection with this matter, but we cannot have civilization unless the people surrender a good deal of their personal liberty. The only person I ever read of who had personal liberty in its
11 p.m. entirety was Robinson Crusoe, and he did not .seem to be very much pleased with it, because he got away from it as soon as he possibly could; he got back to civilization and surrendered a good deal of his personal liberty. It is well known to every member of this House that nearly all legislation infringes more or less upon the personal liberty of the individual. The best legislation is that which has for its aim the greatest good for the greatest number.
The material side of this question is also to be considered. When this war is ended,
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a heavy burden will press upon the people of this country-the burden of the interest on the war debt. We have also to make provision for the men who come back from the front maimed and broken in body and in mind. They will have to be generously provided for. The dependents of those who fall in battle-those who have given the full measure of their devotion to King and country-will also be generously provided for, particularly if they are in needy circumstances. Generous consideration must also-be had for those who return perhaps not broken in health, but who have gone into the danger zone and offered their lives for the Empire and civilization. This will entail a burden upon the country that will be felt for years to come. It has been proved by statistics that the liquor bill of this country is about $100,000,000 a year. But that is only a part of the hill. The inefficiency that the drink habit causes, the shortening of life and the weakening of the system that it brings about, the prisons, reformatories and jails that have to be supported on account of the trade in alcoholic drinks-all these things add at least another $100,000,000 to the cost. Can the country stand this double burden? If there is any question as to what should be sacrificed, certainly the drink habit should be sacrificed. Even men who indulge in moderation should surely be willing to forego the self-indulgence and self-gratification and to make small sacrifice in order to enable the country to deal generously with thost men who have to be considered and who ought to be considered. If anything is to go it should be the expenditure on' alcoholic liquors.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Would the hon. member object to the men in the trenches, up to the knees in water, being furnished with liquor, that is, those accustomed to taking it in peace times?


James Joseph Hughes: If the medical men and others in charge of the troops* at the front think it advisable, for the good of the men's health, to take the responsibility, I think they would be justified.
For all these reasons, I think the Government is more than justified in taking into consideration the overwhelming sentiment throughout the country at the present time. It is a step that will meet with general approval, and I trust that the Bill, which was submitted to the House this afternoon by the Minister of Justice, will go far enough to meet the wishes of the great majority of the people. If it does, the

Government will deserve the commendation of the people; if it does not, it may perhaps be improved in Committee. I am sure it is legislation that will meet with the support of a large majority of the members in this House.


Angus Alexander McLean: Since the resolution now before the House was placed upon the Order Paper, the question has assumed a new phase, by the introduction of the Bill this afternoon by the hon. Minister of Justice. The Bill is entitled:
An Act in aid of Provincial Legislation prohibiting or restricting the sale or use of intoxicating liquors.
My hon. friend from Kings (Mr. Hughes) asks this House to agree to a resolution requesting the Imperial Parliament to amend the British North America Act, so that the Provincial Legislatures would have the power to prohibit the introduction of intoxicating liquors from outside. Now, my hon. friend has not spoken on his resolution at all; he has simply spoken about the sobriety of the people of Turkey and of Spain, and he has made an attack upon the hon. member for St. Hyacinthe (Mr. Gauthier) who honestly believes that it would not be in the interests of the people of his constituency to pass a prohibition Act. But my hon. friend has not made any remarks as to how he proposes to have the British North America Act amended. Since the referendum in 1898, which was referred to by the hon. member for Bonaventure (Mr. Marcil), public sentiment in this country has changed to a very great extent. The hon. member for Bonaventure stated that he himself voted at that time against prohibition, but that since then he had, changed his mind. I think,' Mr. Speaker, that from one end of " this country to the other you will find that public sentiment has changed a great deal since 1898. Men who then voted against the introduction in this House of a prohibition Bill, and who voted against the resolutions which were introduced from 1882 to 1889, will to-day vote in favour of a prohibition measure. Evidence of that was very amply given by the hon. member for Bonaventure. He read a great deal of correspondence which had taken place between him and the members of the Temperance Alliance and others, and that correspondence furnished ample evidence to this House and ito the people that if this question of prohibition was submitted by 123
way of referendum to-day it would meet with the over-whelming approval of the people, and that even in the province of Quebec, which gave a majority against prohibition in 1898, the majority would to-day be in favour of it.
It has been stated by some members who have spoken that this is emotional legislation, that this legislation is being asked for on sentimental grounds. It may be true that the people are asking for it for sentimental reasons, but I do not think that that is any argument against the introduction of such legislation. As I have said, the sentiment of the people throughout Canada to-day is in favour of prohibition. It has also been stated that legislation of the kind proposed would interfere with the liberty of the subject, that the liberty of the individual would be encroached upon; but if you look at the legislation which has been passed in this House, and in the provincial legislatures of this country in recent years you will find that there has been a good d,eal of encroachment upon the liberty of the subject. Take the several Acts relating to the liability of employers to their employees; these involved a very drastic step. Years ago it would have been considered legislation which a socialist, or an anarchist, would ask for, but to-day it is legislation which the whole of the people agree is proper and in the interest of the workmen and of the employers. Take the case of the province of Prince Edward Island, where, in 1875, a compulsory land Act was passed. Years ago the British Government gave free grants of land to a number of men who hung around the court, giving sixty-seven townships without any consideration whatever, and when the people came out from the Old Country and found that these lands were not their lands, that they were in the hands of absentee landlords, what did they do? They raised an agitation for a compulsory sale of these lands to enable them to hew out homes for themselves. That agitation was kept up for a great many years. We were told in Prince Edward Island that the legislation would be impossible to pass, that it was too drastic, that it was encroaching upor. the liberty of the subject and that it was such legislation as never had been passed in any British Parliament. That was the argument, but nevertheless the Legislature of Prince Edward Island took upon itself to pass that legislation compelling landlords to isell their lands. It was enacted into law and



the landlords asked the British Government to veto the Act but the British Government held that the Legislature of Prince Edward Island had power to pass it. The lands were brought under that legislation and the people of Prince Edward Island obtained by virtue of the powers of that Act free lands with the result that there are no landlords in Prince Edward Island to-day. The same thing applies to , Ireland. In that country landlordism was virtually abolished. All the land in Ireland was practically owned by a few landlords in England. Following the example given by Prince Edward Island, the British Parliament, in 1885, passed a law taking away the rights of Irish landlords to their lands upon a certain valuation and compensation. The same cry was raised then, that it was an encroachment upon the liberties of the subject, but the highest court in the British realm decided that the Act was constitutional and to-day we have not only in 'Ireland, but also in Scotland free lands for the people. There are other measures of a similar kind which I might speak of and which are all measures in the interests of the people.
A few years ago a very drastic measure was passed by this Parliament providing that opium should not be sold openly in drug stores, or other places, without a license. To-day, we find that that article cannot be procured except upon a doctor's certificate in any part of Canada. Those people who come here and say that it is against the interests and the will of the people to pass this Act are taking a position against the interests of the people. In 1884 this Parliament passed a resolution in the following terms:
That the object of good government is to promote the general -welfare of the people by a careful encouragement and protection of whatever makes for the public good, and by equally careful discouragement and suppression of whatever tends to the public disadvantage.
That resolution was passed by the unanimous vote of this House. After the resolution had been passed a plebiscite was taken in 1898 and in the province from which I come the great majority of the people voted in favour of prohibition. In consequence of that vote, the Legislature of Prince Edward Island, in 1900, put upon the statute-book a prohibition Act, the first and only prohibition Act in Canada. It has been said, and you will probably hear it said in the city of Ottawa and elsewhere, that the prohibition Act passed in Prince Edward Island in 1900 
has not been observed and that it has done more harm than good. I wish to tell you, Mr. Speaker, and this House, that the Prohibition Act passed in Prince Edward Island has done a great deal of good for that province and has been the means of driving out of the province the sale of intoxicating liquor. There is no doubt that in the country parts of the province there is not a drop of liquor sold and in consequence of the passing of that Act I believe that the wealth of the country has been largely added to. Since 1900 we have progressed very rapidly and I believe there is at least three times as much wealth in that province as there was in the year when the Act was passed. As it is I attribute a good deal of it to the fact that this prohibition Act was passed and that it has been properly enforced.
There was only one matter connected with this Act which had a detrimental effect and that is that liquor could be imported into the province; iat any rate, it was thought it could be imported into the province. In the first Act passed in 1900 absolute prohibition was provided for, but when the Act came up here to the Governor General in Council, the Government of the province were informed that it would be necessary to amend the Act by providing that it should not interfere with sales made by people in Prince Edward Island or people living outside of the province. Section 37 of the present Act, which has been consolidated since, was then put upon the statute-book in 1991 in the following terms:
37. While this Act is intended to prohibit and shall prohibit transactions in liquor which take place wholly within the province of Prince Edward, except as otherwise specially provided by this Act, and restrict the consumption of liquor within the limits of the province of Prince Edward Island, it shall not affect and is not intended to affect bona fide transactions in liquor, between a person in the province of Prince Edward Island and a person in another province, or in a foreign country, and the provisions of this Act shall be construed accordingly.
That was put upon the statute book because the Government of Canada thought that the legislature of the province of Prince Edward Island had no power to deal with this matter. Although the legislature did make that amendment to the Act, I think they had absolute power to deal with the question. You will notice, Mr. Speaker, that the power or authority which the legislature of any province has, is given to them under and by virtue of the British North America Act. When the

provinces entered into Confederation in 1867, they gave up all their rights to the British Government, the British Parliament gave us a new constitution, and that constitution is incorporated in the British North America Act, 1867. Section 92 of that Act deals with the powers of the provincial legislatures, and among the powers which are conceded to the provincial legislatures is the power to deal with:
Shop, saloon, tavern and auctioneer and other licenses in order to the raising of a revenue for provincial local or municipal purposes.
Section 91 of the Act deals with the powers of the Parliament of Canada, and one of the powers which is granted to the Parliament of Canada is that of dealing with "criminal law and all subjects relating to the peace, order and good government of Canada."
I believe that we have power to pass a law in Prince Edward Island to-day that no person living in that province can have liquor in his or her possession without a license. Why could we not pass such a law as well as we could pass a law here that no person should have opium in his possession? As we have power to deal with intoxicating liquors, why could we not pass a law that no person should be allowed to introduce or take into a province intoxicating liquors without a license? Since the Canada Temperance Act was passed-and that was a prohibitory law- several references have been made to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. The constitutionality of the Canada Temperance Act came up, and it was decided that the Dominion Parliament had power to deal with prohibition on the ground that it was a matter relating to "the peace, order and good government of Canada," and that the Provincial Legislature had power to deal with licenses because that matter came under the authority conceded to the Provincial Legislatures by section 92 of the British North America Act. The case best known is that of Russell vs. The Queen, in which the decision was as follows:
The general scheme of the British North America Act with regard to the distribution of the legislative powers and the general scope and effect of sections 91 and 92 and . their relation to each other, were fully considered and commented on by the board in the case of the Citizens' Insurance Company vs. Parsons appeal cases, page 96 ; according to the principle of construction there pointed out, the first question to be determined is whether the Act now in question falls within any of the classes of subjects enumerated in section 92 and assigned exclusively to the legislatures of the provinces. If it does, then the further question would arise, viz, whether the subject of the Act does not fall within one of
the enumerated classes of subjects in section 91 and so does not still belong to the Dominion Parliament. But if this Act does not fall within any of the classes of subjects in section 92, no further question will remain, for it cannot be contended, and indeed was not contended at their Lordships' bar, that if the Act does not come within one of the classes of subjects assigned to the Provincial Legislature, the Parliament of Canada had not by its general power " to make laws for the peace, order, and good Government of Canada," full legislative power.
According to this decision, then, although the Provincial Legislatures had power to deal with prohibition, the Dominion Government had also power to deal with the question, and on this ground, namely, under the authority given to them under section 91 of the British North America Act. A few weeks ago a question came before the Privy Council in England, dealing with insurance and on the 24th of February last the Privy Council decided that section 4 of the Insurance Act was ultra vires. That section deals with licensing provincial insurance companies, and foreign companies doing business in Canada. In the course of that case the question of the right of this Parliament to pass a prohibitory law came up, and as the decision has not yet been published it might be of interest to the House if I read it:
It must be taken to be now settled that the general authority to make laws for the peace, order and good Government of Canada, which the initial part of section 91 of the British North America Act confers, does not, unless the subject-matter of legislation falls within some one of the enumerated heads which follow, enable the Dominion Parliament to trench on the subject-matters entrusted to the Provincial legislatures by the enumeration in section 92. There is only one case, outside the heads enumerated in section 91, in which the Dominion Parliament can legislate effectively as regards a province, and that is where the subject-matter lies outside all of the subject-matters en-umeratively entrusted to the province under section 92. Russell vs. the Queen (7 A. C. 829) is an instance of such a case. There the court considered that the particular subject matter in question lay qutside the provincial powers. What has been said in subsequent cases before this board makes it clear that it was on this ground alone, and not on the ground that the Canada Temperance Act was considered to be authorized as legislation for the regulation of trade and commerce, that the Judicial Committee thought that it should be held that there was constitutional authority for Dominion legislation which imposed conditions of prohibitory character on the liquor traffic throughout the Dominion. No doubt the Canada Temperance A.ct contemplated in certain events the use of different licensing boards and regulations indifferent districts, and to this extent legislated in relation to local institutions. But the Judicial Committee apear to have thought that this purpose was subordinate to a still wider and legitimate purpose of establishing a uniform system of legislation for prohibiting the liquor traffic

throughout Canada, excepting under restrictive conditions. The case must therefore he regarded as illustrating the principle which is now well established, but none the less ought to he applied only with great caution that subjects which in one aspect and for one purpose fall within the jurisdiction of the provincial legislatures may In another aspect and for another purpose fall within Dominion legislative jurisdiction.
The hon. gentleman who moved this resolution has not given any reason why we should appeal to the British Parliament for an amendment to the British North America Act. I think the decisions I have read, and the fact that the legislatures of the different provinces have passed what are practically prohibitory laws without any let or hindrance, is evidence enough that the provincial legislatures have power to pass prohibitory liquor laws. I do not think any man has any doubt of that. I should like to know what doubts are in the mind of the hon. member for Kings (Mr. Hughes). What reasons can he give why we should appeal to the British Parliament for an amendment to the British North America Act? Even if the Bill which has been introduced by the hon. Minister of Justice does not pass, or should not be considered necessary, we could still achieve our object in another way. We could pass an amendment to the Criminal Code, making it criminal for any person to introduce liquor into any province where the sale of liquor was prohibited. I think by virtue of section 91 legislation of that kind could be introduced, and a heavy penalty provided for a violation of the Act. That is in fact what the Minister of Justice is introducing, although in another form. The power by which we can pass such a Bill as the minister has introduced has bebn conceded by the Privy Council in many decisions. As the hour is getting late, I beg to move the adjournment of the debate.


Mr. GRAHAM:: I suppose this means
that the two resolutions will be disposed of at one time?


Robert Laird Borden: Yes, I suppose so, or, as a matter of fact, the Bill which has been introduced by the hon. Minister of Justice will afford an opportunity for any further debate on the subject.


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Motion agreed to, and debate adjourned.

Mr. ROBERT BICKERDIKE (Montreal, St. Lawrence) moved:: For a return showing:
1.	All persons, male or female, who have been capitally convicted in Canada, and in each

province, for each year from the 1st of July, 1867, to the 1st March, 1916, specifying the offences, and whether and how the sentences were carried' into effect by execution, or otherwise; with the name of the convicts, dates of conviction, crime of which committed, sentences passed, judges by whom sentenced, and how dealt with.
2.	All convicts, male and female, who have been reprieved from the execution of capital sentences passed upon them during the above-mentioned period, with the name of convicts, dates of conviction, crime of which committed, sentences passed, by whom sentenced, sentences commuted, and to what.
3.	Showing all persons in Canada and each province, convicted during the above-mentioned period, of murder or manslaughter, whose sentences have been mitigated, or who have received a free pardon, together with a statement of the offences of which they were severally convicted, with the name of convicts, dates of conviction, nature of offence, sentences and extent of mitigation of sentences and dates.
4.	All instances, during the above-mentioned period, in which appeal has been made on behalf of the persons convicted of capital offences, to His Excellency the Governor in Council, for the exercise of the Royal prerogative of pardon, or mitigation of sentences, with the name of convicts, dates of conviction and place, crime of which committed, sentences, dates of appeal, and the result.


Charles Joseph Doherty: Does the hon. member intend to speak in support of his motion, because I would like to say a word about it?


Robert Bickerdike: I do not wish to
discuss it at all. I presume there can be no objection to furnishing the information asked for.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I would like to point
out to the hon. member some objections, of which I think he will recognize the force, with regard to the information for which he asks. I may say also that I think it is now two years ago since the hon. member for Laval (Mr. , C. A. Wilson) made a very similar motion and, after some conference with him, we brought down a return giving, what he considered to be satisfactory and sufficient information for his purpose. I would point out to my hon. friend that he is asking us now to revive the history of every unfortunate person who may, at any time, have been convicted of a crime of this kind and sentenced to capital punishment. In fact, I think it covers even other sentences, and asks for all the details, the nature of the crime, etc. Well, any one whose sentence has been commuted, and who has served his sentence, or any one who has had a pardon granted to him, has purged his offence, and I cannot see what interest the hon. member can have in having all these names put upon a return and spread

before the public again. There are not only the people who may themselves still be alive, but there are the relatives of those unfortunate people. If the hon. gentleman wants to know the number of people who were so sentenced and what happened and how each sentence was disposed of, I would be quite prepared to give that so far as it may not have been covered, although I believe it was covered by the return on the motion of the hon. member for Laval a year or two ago. I think the hon. member for Laval will remember the circumstances.
I believe that a return was brought down which was satisfactory to him at that time, although his original motion asked pretty much for the details asked for here. The hon. member for St. Lawrence will realize at all events the force of the objection to our re-editing now, practically for publication, the history of the misfortunes of all the people referred to in his motion. If my hon. friend would so modify his resolution as to make it a matter of statistics, because it would not seem to me to be a matter of importance that,we should know the particular individuals, it would be better, and, if on verification it was found not to be covered by the motion made by the hon. member for Laval, I would have no objection in letting it pass.


Robert Bickerdike: That would be quite satisfactory to me, because I do not wish to go into any details of family troubles. My object was to know exactly how we stand on this question, because I think we have not been hanging as many people as we did in years gone by. If that is correct, I want to know the reason for it, and I think I could get the information from the Minister of Justice. He has stated just what information I want.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I shall be very glad to consent to such a return as will cover that.
Motion dropped.



CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN (Halifax) moved:: For a return showing the date when each Regiment, C.E.F., was authorized since August, 1914 ; when mobilization was commenced, when mobilization Was completed in each case, and when each Regiment sailed for overseas.


Robert Laird Borden: I would like to consult the Chief of General Staff before consenting to the passage of this motion. If my hon. friend will let it stand, I think that any information that can be brought
down can be brought down without a formal motion.
Motion stands.



ABOLITION OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BILL.

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Mr. ROBERT BICKERDIKE (Montreal, St. Lawrence) moved the second reading of Bill No. 2, to am^nd the Criminal Code. He said: At this very late hour, I will endeavour to be as brief as possible. I am afraid that I have not that sympathy of the Minister of Justice that I had hoped for, and I think that, if I had introduced a Bill having for its purpose the saving of the lives of horses or dogs or even hogs, I might have received more sympathy from some of my hon. friends than I am getting in connection with this Bill which is for the purpose of saving human lives that are not considered very valuable at the present time. There is one feature that I think I did not bring to the attention of the Minister of Justice on the last occasion on iWiich I spoke, and that was this:
There axe a number of murderers to-day walking the streets of Montreal and of other cities that should be in the penitentiary, and would have been in the penitentiary if my amendment had been accepted when I introduced it in this House a few years ago. There is no question in my mind-and I think this will appeal to the legal fraternity especially- that a jury will not convict nowadays with the scaffold staring them in the face, unless they believe beyond the shadow of a doubt that the person accused is guilty. I do not wish to be unfair to the Minister of Justice; he certainly has been very fair to me on some occasions. I think he is perfectly sincere. I believe he looks on hanging as a kind of holy sacrament. For I have known the man so long, and know him to be sincere in nearly everything he has undertaken,; but I do not think he would be happy unless he hanged a few men every year. That reminds me of a story I read the other day. A sailor was cast away in the South Pacific. He escaped from the wreck alone in an open boat and drifted along. In the morning he found his little boat surrounded by sharks, but he beat them off and succeeded in landing on an island. This island was populated entirely by blacks. He did not understand their language but supposed they were cannibals, and was not sure that it would not have been as well for him
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to have furnished a breakfast for the sharks in the morning as to be gobbled by the blacks in the afternoon. But he found that the people were not cannibals. They treated him fairly; they took him to the inferior of the island, and there an execution was taking place. When he looked up and saw what was going on, he exclaimed: " Thank God, I have been cast ashore in a Christian land." He looked upon hanging as a sacrament.
I take it to be the duty of this House to deal with all matters affecting the good of the citizens of this country, especially so when the question is not a political one. It is the duty of this House to deal with fundamental questions; and I know of nothing more fundamental than human life. And I know nothing more wicked or brutal than to take life unnecessarily, even when it is done by the state. No matter how much some members may differ with me on this subject, I think I am safe in saying that every member must contemplate with abhorrence punishment by death-I think even the Minister of Justice will agree with me there. The question is, whether the abolition of capital punishment would result in benefit to the country, or whether the retention of the death penalty offers greater security to society. Capital punishment has been abolished in the conscience of the people of Canada; it has been abolished except for the very poor man who cannot procure the necessary legal talent to plead for them. As things work out in practice, we can only convict a few out of the number of murderers, and of those that are condemned, only a small percentage are executed; and these, I regret to say again, are the poor and unfortunate, who have no friends, no pull, political or otherwise, and no money to employ legal talent to defend them. It is a well-known fact that occasionally an innocent man has been hanged-that was admitted by the Minister of Justice on the last occasion when we discussed this matter. I think I am safe in saying that capital punishment is in flagrant contravention of the teachings of our Lord and Master, a usurpation of power that no customs can justify; a rebellious defiance of the good Master who came upon this earth to teach mercy, truth and forgiveness.
There was a time when every lord of any account in England had criminal jurisdiction over the people on his estate, and as evidence of his power the gibbet was 
erected for the hanging of the men and the pond dug alongside for the drowning of the women, and the whole countryside was decorated with the rotting bodies of the unfortunate peasantry. During the period of the Hanovarian kings, deep distress came which fell with awful severity upon poor folk. A man, if he was a man iat all, .could steal to keep his loved ones from starving, and the so-called wise ones of that day knew of no way to cope with the evils of the time but to increase the number of offences for which capital punishment was decreed. It grew so bad that there were not less than 200 offences for which people might be hanged. One woman was hanged who tried to steal a piece of flannel in which to wrap her baby, bom after the father had been seized by the press-gang-for conscription was in force at that time. The man was seized, dragged away from his home, and the baby was born after he had been taken to fight the battles of England on board a man-of-war. The poor woman undertook to steal a piece of flannel to make a covering for her baby; and she was tried, convicted and hanged. They are still hanging children in England in 1914, they hanged a school boy of eighteen years of age. After the Gordon riots children were hanged; and in 1830, at the time of the agrarian riots, no less than three hundred prisoners were sentenced to capital punishment. A relative of a friend of mine saw seven men pass her house on their way to be hanged for the stealing of one sheep-the lives of seven men for the life of one sheep. The state of the law seems to me so awful that I cannot understand how it can remain for a single day. The life work of a man like Samuel Romilly was unable to effect a change, but that change has been brought about and the hanging of men for stealing has become as obsolete as the thumbscrew, the boot and other instruments of torture. The only survival we have of these cruel punishments is hanging for murder, rape, and high treason-cruel relics of a cruel age. This is the skeleton of the former two hundred crimes, for which the penalty was hanging-and the Minister of Justice must hug that skeleton. Lord Brougham, we are told, " took the devil out of the indictment"; but he did not take the devil out of the criminal law. What justification can there be for the continuation of this brutal punishment, which brutalizes the public as well as the officials who have to carry it out?-brutalizes the public, as was recognized by the fact that

public executions were abolished, and so brutalizing upon officials that the man who acts as public hangman becomes a public outcast. No doubt the House will remember the conversion of Radcliffe, the hangman, which was published in the Maritime Baptist of 9th October, 1912. Criminologists all agree that the certainty, and not the severity, of the punishment is the deterrent of crime. Jurists to-day hesitate to convict; some Ministers of Justice hesitate to recommend that the death sentence be carried out; some Governors in Council to-day hesitate to sanction hanging. Evidence from countries where capital punishment has been abolished shows that murders have decreased, and not increased, as a result. Punishment, I claim, should be reformatory and not vindictive. And how can a man be reformed when he is hurried into eternity without time for repentance. We live today under the gentle rule of the Qospel, and I claim that according to that Gospel we have no license to have capital punishment.
Henry VIII of England sought to repress criminal tendencies by prescribing the death penalty for the most trivial offenses, such as theft and poaching, and by making a public spectacle of every execution inflicted in pursuance of law. During his reign of twenty years the death-cart bearing condemned men rumbled, almost daily through the public streets to the gibbet, and the total number of executions reached the appalling figure of 72,000. Of this number not less than 70,000 were executed for larceny. Notwithstanding the severity and the publicity of the penalties applied, property rights were never as insecure in England as they were during the reign of Henry VIII, while other crimes flourished proportionately. Instances are recorded, moreover, where many people, who viewed these executions conducted so liberally by Eng-gland's most bloodthirsty King, were later convicted of capital crimes, notwithstanding their opportunity to witness daily the infliction of the most severe punishment upon other offenders. In fact, the entire abandonment in recent [DOT] years of public executions in this country, as in others, must be attributed directly to the realization upon the part of the people that applications of the death penalty in city squares, or court house yards, have had the opposite effect from that which they were intended to produce.
During last session, when this question was being discussed, I drew attention to the
case of a man who had been hanged in British Columbia for the shooting of a policeman whom he did not shoot. I claim that capital punishment and the Christian religion can no longer march shoulder to shoulder. We have come to the parting of the ways; the death penalty and Christianity can no longer go hand in hand. The hon. Minister of Justice, on the occasion to which I refer, claimed that it was the law of the land; that the man was found in bad company, and, according to the law, was equally liable as the man who did the shooting. The right hon. leader of the Opposition concurred in this view. When two such eminent jurists agree on a question of law, I would not dare to call it in question, but the fact remains that this man was hanged for killing a man that he did not kill. It may be the law, but if it is, it is a bad law, and, should be immediately erased from our criminal code. I am sure, Sir, that the world is much better to-day owing to the fact that the law was not always in force. If it had been we would have been deprived of one of the greatest missionary preachers that the world ever possessed. Why, Sir, if such a law had been in force in the early days the great Apostle Paul himself would have been hanged for assisting at the imurder of the martyr St. Stephen.
In the British Columbia case the Minister of Justice read the man's heart, searched his soul, pierced the secret chambers of his mind, and says that he went out with murder in his heart. He found the man bad, all bad, and ordered him hanged; and I wish to give the Minister of Justice' credit that he is manly enough to take credit for his action in this case, and not only to take credit for it, but to make a boast for having d,one so. He is evidently proud of it. Nevertheless, this .man's soul was ushered into eternity because he was poor. The Minister of Justice will agree with me that if that man had been wealthy he might not have been hanged.
Charles Joseph Doherty: Most assuredly not. I am sure that the hon. member has no conception of the gravity of what he is saying. After stating that I did this, he says that it was done because the man was poor. I think that if the hon. gentleman will give the matter a moment's thought, he will surely change that statement.
M'. BICKERDIKE: There is one thing that I am positive about: that men are beiUt, hanged in Canada to-day because they are poor, and for no other reason.


Mr. STEVENS:: I happen to know the
case to which the hon. gentleman refers. I may say that a lawyer made a trip to Ottawa, pleaded the appeal to the Supreme Court, and never received a dollar for it.


Robert Bickerdike: That was because
the man was poor.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Not at all. The expenses were more than $600 in this very case.


Robert Bickerdike: Will the hon.
gentleman tell me if he knows the case of a single wealthy man who was hanged in Canada?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Plenty of them.


Robert Bickerdike: I challenge the hon. member or the Minister of Justice to give me the name of one wealthy man hanged in Canada during the last fifteen years.


Charles Joseph Doherty: Will the hon. gentleman give me the name of one wealthy man convicted of murder and sentenced to be hanged, whose sentence was commuted?


Robert Bickerdike: Yes, if the hon.
gentleman wants it.


Mr. W. H. BENNETT:: I can give the
hon. gentleman an instance from the county of Simcoe. 1 A man named Carruthers was hanged there; he was a well-to-do farmer. Two or three K.C.'s were employed to defend him; an enormous amount of money was spent in his defence.


Robert Bickerdike: The minister challenged me to give one name; I mention the case of a man named Shortis, of Valley-field.


Charles Joseph Doherty: That was before my time.


Robert Bickerdike: I am not blaming the hon. minister for this. I do not think he is a bit worse than his predecessors; perhaps he is not as bad as some of them. In regard to the case to which I was referring, most people at that time thought,, and still are of the opinion, that this man's sentence ought to have been commuted to imprisonment for life. The Minister of Justice certainly would not have suffered any loss of dignity if he had done that. But he did not do so. He made doubly sure, and did what was done in some other countries fifty years ago-gave the prisoners the benefit of the doubt and hanged them both.
Capital punishment has been enforced among all nations from the earliest times. The agitation against it, which began in

the eighteenth century and continued throughout the nineteenth, led to its abolition in many European countries and in several states of the United States. Michigan abolished capital punishment in 1846, Rhode Island in 1852; Wisconsin, 1853; Maine, 1887; Kansas, 1907; Minnesota, 1911; Philippine Islands, 1911; Washington, 1913; Oregon, 1914; North Dakota, 1915; Tennessee, 1915; South Dakota, 1915. The minister will see, therefore, that the states of the United States are gradually one after the other, abolishing capital punishment. Any country that retains the death penalty on its statute book in this Christian era has simply legislated the word " not " out of the commandments. Public bodies are at the present time passing resolutions all over this country demanding this reform. Bodies of organized labour are passing resolutions all over the Dominion asking that the death penalty in Canada be abolished. Within the last three weeks a gathering of several thousand people in Ottawa passed a resolution asking that capital pun-12 m. ishment be abolished in Canada.
And they are going further; they are teaching their children to sing the new song, they are hanging men in Canada because they are poor. I know of sheriffs in the province of Quebec who are so conscientious over this matter that, in case they should be called upon at any time in the absence of the regular hangman to perform the duties of executioner, they have their resignations written out and are ready to-hand them in to the authorities rather than become legalized murderers.
A very prominent statesman in the New York Legislature on one occasion suggested that Canada might well adopt what he claimed to be their more modem and humane system of getting rid of their criminals by electrocution. Now, Sir, can any man imagine discussing a humane method of taking his fellow man's life? This statesman claimed that the State of New York had adopted electrocution as a result of the onward march of Christianity and civilization, but I pointed out that, after all is said, the final result is 'much the same. In the olden days, it was true, the State of New York burned their criminals at the stake until dead, and to-day they burn them in the chair until dead, and this is upheld by some of these eminent jurists to be the advancement of Christianity and civilization.
Now, in Canada for three years, 1911, 1912' and 1913, there were sixty-five death sen-

tences. Thirty-seven of these were commuted, and twenty-eight of the really poor unfortunate, unretumed prodigals were sent into eternity. It will readily be seen by the above figures that capital punishment has been abolished in Canada, excepting for the really poor. When the Minister of Justice turned his thumbs up for the 37 cases, why did he turn them down for the poor 28? I think the Minister of Justice would have been better satisfied with him-self to-day if he had turned his thumbs up in every case, and granted mercy to the poor pleading mothers and children who begged for mercy. The simple fact is that capital punishment increases the number of murders because of the reluctance of the average citizen to impose an irrevocable sentence upon his fellow man. The responsibility is too great, and the fear of depriving an innocent man of his life is too strong for the average juryman, so he compromises. But under capital punishment there is really no compromise. Either the man accused is guilty and must go to the gallows, or he is innocent and must be allowed his liberty.
Until we can be absolutely certain that the man on trial for his life committed the crime, with which he is charged, there is more of the element of injustice in capital punishment than in its abolition. We are all influenced more or less by our impressions, mental and physical. The occasional story, in the newspapers, which relates the ghastly mistake of justice whereby an innocent man is made suffer the penalty of the guilty, is familiar to everybody. Every error on the part of those entrusted with -the carrying out of the law or its administration has its effect psychologically. It is only a few months since the daily press featured the story of the Kingston convict who was released from prison instead of another victim who bore the same name. That incident is impressed on the minds of many who may one day be called to sit in a jury box and hear arguments why the man in the dock opposite them should not be taken out and banged.
We musf admit that in many cases justice is not infallible. Under the life sentence system for capital punishment the juryman realizes that the accused, even if convicted, is still in a position to demonstrate his innocence, if innocent he be. He may direct his campaign for vindication as long as hope holds out. If guilty, the sentence safeguards society, and upholds the majesty
of the law as effectively, if not more so,, than the infliction of the awful and repulsive penalty of capital punishment. Capital punishment is unjust to the criminal, as it affords him no opportunity of reform; it is unfair to his family; it disgraces them, and robs them of their only means of support. Capital punishment is irrevocable, and makes no allowance for varying degrees of guilt; it is wrong in principle, and does not protect society.
The chief reasons advanced by people who believe that the State should punish murder with murder, just as in olden times it was customary to burn alive a man convicted of incendiarism, may be grouped under four different heads. The first to be considered is the ancient theory of retribution, and, secondly, the argument that the example afforded by the execution of the murderer will deter others from similar crimes. The third reason offered is the necessity of protecting society from its vicious members, and the fourth argument, which is included only by sufferance, is the extirpation of all capital offenders as a class.
That was tried in England, as my hon. friend knows, but did not succeed. There would have been very few Englishmen left if every man who had stolen anything had been hanged.
When the women of Canada get their rights, as they surely will at an early date, and contribute to making the laws; when the mothers of 'Canada get the right to vote, there will be no more legalized killing, and very many less murders.
It has been conceded by some of the most eminent physicians that any man committing a murder has an unbalanced mind at the moment. At the moment, at least, he is temporarily insane. He. may be enraged through a sense of being wronged', or through kindred emotions, and is in no mood to weigh the results of his acts, or to take account of punishments confronting him. It is sad to believe that much of the prejudice in favour of the gallows may be traced to three discreditable soui'ces: First, the spirit of vengeance, which surely does not properly belong to man; secondly, unworthy timidity, as if a powerful civilized community would be in peril, if life were not sometimes taken by the Government; and, thirdly, blind obedience to the traditions of another age. But rack, thumb screw, wheel, iron crown, bed of steel, and every instrument of barbarous torture, now rejected with horror, were once upheld by the same spirit of vengeance, the same

timidity and the same tradition of another age.
Capital punishment, though sanctioned by the letter of the old biblical law, is contrary to its interpretation in the light of Christianity.
During the debate on this question at a previous session, one honourable gentleman quoted from the Levitical law: "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." But I honestly believe that that honourable gentleman will admit now that this law was abrogated nearly two thousand years ago. The Pharisees of that day taunted the Lord for not approving of that law, and also quoted the passage to back up their demands: "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." But the answer came clear and sound: "Ye say an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but I say unto you, forgive." We are told to forgive our enemies as we hope to be forgiven. We hang a man at eight o'clock in the morning. That is how we forgive those who trespass against us; strangling a few of them every year; hanging them by the neck until they are dead, and sending their souls into eternity. Then we pray every afternoon in this House at three o'clock to the Father of Mercy to forgive us our sins as we forgive them who sin against us. Just think of it, Mr. Speaker, killing a man at eight o'clock in the morning, sending his soul into eternity, then in the afternoon at three o'clock praying to our Father in heaven to forgive us as we forgive. Sir, I shudder at times to think of what would happen quite a number of us in this House, and myself included, if the Lord would take us at our word.
Quite a number of the honourable members of this House undertook to criticise my amendment, but failed to find any good, sound, legitimate argument in favour of the retention of the death penalty, and they all with one accord began to make excuses. The hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir George Foster) probably introduced the most valid excuse that was made during the discussion, but after all, he simply said that he was not quite sure whether Canada was ready for this important change at the present time. Well, I am sure that it must now be quite clear to the minister's mind that the time has arrived when capital punishment in Canada must be abolished, and I am sure that no man realizes better than he does that capital punishment is based on revenge, it is dangerous to. society, brutalizes human nature, and is not in accord with the modern theory of penology. Capital punishment is

the leprous outcroppings of the dark ages, and while I would not undertake to reply to that eloquent speech delivered by the Minister of Trade and Commerce, I would simply like to place opposite his remarks a quotation from the speech on this question delivered by the late Bight Hon. John Bright. .
The Right Hon. John Bright, illustrious English statesman and author, who lived and died in the 19th century, gave his valuation of death as a penalty during one of the last speeches he delivered from his place in the British House of Commons, in the following words:
The real security for human life is found in a reverence for it. If the law regarded it as inviolable, then the people would begin also to so regard it. A deep reverence for human life is worth more than a thousand executions in the prevention of murder, and is, in fact, the great security for human life.
The law of capital punishment, while pretending to support this reverence, does, in fact, tend to destroy it. If the death penalty is of any force in any case to deter from crime, it is of much more force in lessening our chief security against it, for it proclaims the fact that kings, parliaments, judges, juries and Ministers of Justice may determine when and how men may be put to death by violence, and familiarity with this idea cannot strengthen the reverence for human life. To put men to death for crimes, civil or political, is to give proof of weakness rather than strength, and of barbarism rather than Christian civilization.
So long as the state continues to kill its enemies, individuals are going to continue to kill theirs. In other words, by retention of the death penalty, the state sets a precedent for the commission of the very crime which it is trying to extinguish. Far from touching the sanctity of human life by its own conduct, organized government in prescribing the death penalty for certain crimes, declines to uphold the sacredness of individual existence.
Several hon. members delivered very eloquent speeches against my amendment, but all with one accord began to make excuses, and while I find no fault with the criticisms, none of the hon. gentlemen undertook to call down fire from heaven to burn up my Bill, root and branch. There was considerable eloquence against my amendment, but the speeches were entirely devoid of facts or argument.
The hon. member for Frontenac (Mr. Edwards) like all the other members who opposed my amendment, began by making excuses, and claimed that it would be more humane to hang a man than to send him to the Kingston penitentiary. The hon

member was no doubt in perfect good faith when he made that statement, but he must surely realize that if Kingston penitentiary is in such very poor condition as he represented it to be, and I believe his statement was correct, then Kingston penitentiary should be remodelled, so that that deplorable condition should no longer be allowed to exist.
The hon. member for Kingston (Mr. Nickle) also made a fairly good excuse for retaining capital punishment. He said he stood for capital punishment because England always stood for it, a very noble, patriotic and loyal sentiment, and while I wish to compliment the hon. member on his loyalty to the home land, he will surely agree with me that the time has come when this young nation should institute reforms suitable for our own people and our own land.
Capital punishment ranked high among the old barbarities, has been dragged through the centuries, and until now it still remains with us in Canada, and puts our civilization and Christianity to shame To impose the death penalty is an inhumanity of the first magnitude, and to write the scaffold on to the penal code of Canada is to put on our statute books the black sign of revenge. It is not the age of civilization or Christianity that has come into its own. It is the shameful record of the doctrine of retaliation. There is no process that can transform the taking of human life from wrong to right simply because it is done in the name of the State. Every time the State takes the life of 'a human being, every time the State hangs a man, it dips its finger in human blood, to write the word " not " out of the Ten Commandments. Capital punishment lessens the respect for human life, develops lawlessness in the criminally inclined, and in individuals of low mentality.
The hon. the Minister of Justice occupied some two hours in this House at a previous session when this question was being discussed, trying to find excuses, but was unable to introduce one sound argument in favour of his law as it stands to-day. The only argument, if it could be called an argument, in favour of his contention was, that he retained the death penalty on the statute books of Canada, and hanged men, because our forefathers did the same. But surely, if he has nothing else to back up his arguments than this, then he should burn the criminals at the stake as our forefathers did; he should torture them with rack and thumb-screw, and use all the ancient modes
of torture simply because our forefathers did. That, 'surely is a very poor argument in the twentieth century; but he finally clinched all his excuses by making a statement for which he did not produce the proof, and that was, that he had divine sanction for hanging our poor criminals, and sending their souls into eternity.
I know the minister meant that or he would not have said so. But he did not produce the proof and I challenge him to do so. The minister has no such divine sanction, he has no mandate from Divinity to hang a man in this country. If he has such a mandate I think it should be placed on the table of this House so that members on each side might examine it, so that it may be incorporated in the archives of this country and so that generations yet unborn may realize that in 1916 the Borden Government possessed a Minister of Justice with a divine mandate for hanging a man. I would like to say with all due respect to the Minister of Justice that his extravagant utterances on this subject could only have been inspired by prejudice.
The minister says: for instance, take the case of self defence. Now, conceiving a man has the right under natural instinct and statutory laws to kill another in self defence, can any man establish self defence by shooting another who was known to be as helpless as if hand-cuffed with his hands behind his back? Then it is no better in principle for the state to do this than it is for a citizen. Society has no more right to trifle with the most sacred work of God than the individual has. The minister sends a young man hand-cuffed and guarded by the police, from a modern penitentiary of cement, granite, steel and armour plate, takes him out upon the gallowe and hangs him until he is dead, for self defence. To kill a man, overpowered and harmless, is not an act of self defence for either a citizen or the state, but is an act of unrestrained power directed by revenge rather than reason.
What self defence is there in that: seven and a half million people against one poor unfortunate fellow locked up in a penitentiary? I should like very much to touch the heart of the Minister of Justice. I know it is difficult. I mentioned a case last session, and as I think he did not grasp it, I submit again that where the equities are equal, the element of mercy should hold the balance of power in deciding this question,-the awful suffering and remorse of the family of the victim of a homicide. Now, I agree that it is hard on the family of the deceased, and my sympathy goes out

to them. Whether his death was the result of an assassination or a justifiable homicide it is all the same to them. But, for that reason, would you have two widows, two sets of orphans, and two sorrowing parents? Why, the family of the prisoner are just as innocent of an offence as the family of the deceased, and are just as ipuch entitled to compassion and sympathy. For ex* ample, a man commits murder. He probably got drunk, or was by environment made a criminal. He has a good wife and also children; a good mother and father, and a large number of relatives, all innocent people, and profoundly grieved that the offense was copimitted. The accused is tried, convicted, and sentenced to be hanged. The very thoughts of taking the life of the husband, father, brother and son breaks a multitude of hearts. The time has healed the wounds that grief for the victim rent, but as the days roll by and the time approaches for the execution of the prisoner, the heart of the mother and father all but breaks; the affectionate and tender cord of love that stretches from the altar to the scaffold is crushed but not broken, and the heart of the wife is burned to .its very socket. She goes to and from the awful death cell. Little innocent hearts of children are crushed like the tender blades of grass beneath the angry heels of cannon on the German battlefield, yet they are all innocent. The brother and sister suffer for his sins, and see his ghost-like form in their dreams of repose. As the day draws near, the father and mother with tottering footsteps visit the death cell, and their minds wander back to the time when a little Boy said his prayers at his mother's knee, and they ask God why they have this affliction to bear. The wife, children, relatives and friends all bid him good-bye and leave with breaking hearts, bitterly thinking of tomorrow. With heart-breaking despair, the mother prays God to spare her son, and as the time flies by. the height of Heaven could not measure her sorrow. The father's hair turns gray over night, and the very souls are all scarred and forever seare'd over by the thought of the vengeance visited on their unfortunate relative, son and husband and father. The parents are hurried to their graves by broken hearts; the wife tries to forget, but cannot forgive; and the hearts of the children, relatives and friends are hardened by the harrowing example of killing by the State. Two families are in mourning, and the prisoner's family 
crushed -and heart-broken by a protracted suspense, and that amounts to cruelty to the innocents. Then why make two families instead of one desolate? Then, suppose he was innocent? The State cannot retract what it has done. If life imprisonment would serve the same purpose, would you not prefer it to the death penalty?
I have asked the Minister of Justice to-allow this Bill to be referred to a committee. I claim that if I could make good before a committee the statements I have made before the Minister of Justice in this House, this Government would be obliged to abolish capital punishment. If I cannot make good my statements I should be obliged to resign my seat in this House. But every statement I have made I can prove. Now, I appeal to the House to allow this Bill to be referred to a special committee, for I am quite convinced that a change in the law is necessary. I do not intend to say any more on that question.
I can quite realize how difficult it is to succeed in bringing about such a very important reform as I have introduced into this House, especially in these degenerate days, when principles have become subservient to politics; these dark and anxious days when men are rushing to join the Get-Rich-Quick procession; when many are making colossal fortunes out of a situation created by this unfortunate, cruel war.
These are days, Mr. Speaker, when we ask men to raise themselves above any political squabbling, men who will neither bow to capital, nor to-day to aristocracy.
God give us men a time like this demands.
Great hearts, strong minds, true faith and willing hands ;
Men whom the lust of power cannot kill:
Men whom the spoils of office cannot buy;
Men who possess a conscience and a will;
Men who have honour; men who will not lie.
For while this country with our thumbworn creeds,
Our great professions and our little deeds,
Wrangle in strife, lo, freedom weeps,
Graft rules our land while justice sleeps.


Henry Herbert Stevens: As the hour is late, I move the adjournment of the debate.


George Perry Graham: I presume that means sending this Bill to a place where it will
not be revived this session. I have pretty strong convictions on this measure myself, and if the motion means shelving the debate for the rest of the session I will jom with the hon. member for Montreal (Mr. Biekerdike) in objecting to that being done.

I should like to see the Government take some stand on it.


Henry Herbert Stevens: I did not make the motion with any such intention. I think this measure is a vastly important one, but at this hour of the night it is certainly impossible to deal with it in an intelligent and proper manner. I am entirely open to conviction on this subject, but I must confess that I have not been convinced by the arguments of the toon, member. Considering the lateness of the hour, I think my motion to adjourn is quite reasonable. Furthermore-


Auguste-Charles-Philippe-Robert Landry: I would remind the hon.
member that his motion is not debatable.


George Perry Graham: We could easily dispose of this matter if the Prime Minister would allow us another opportunity for debating it.


Robert Laird Borden: I am willing to remain here if hon. members wish to debate this subject further, but I cannot promise any further opportunity. A very large portion of the day has been taken up by a long debate of a matter not of general interest. I said then that we shoulc^ have to sit late to-night and finish some business. If my hon. friend will withdraw his motion the debate can go on.


Robert Bickerdike: I think the Prime Minister has forgotten the agreement he made when I brought this matter up on the day of the fire. I think he suggested that it should be left over until the Minister of Justice came back to Ottawa. I ' agreed to that on condition that opportunity would be given to discuss the question and that it would not lose its right of way, and I hope that the Prime Minister will agree to let us go on with this discussion on another day.


Robert Laird Borden: I really cannot promise that, but I am perfectly ready to *debate the question now and to stay as long as may be necessary for that purpose. There was one previous occasion when my hon. friend had the right to bring on this debate.


Robert Bickerdike: No.


Robert Laird Borden: Yes, there was one evening.


Robert Bickerdike: No. I beg the hon. Premier's pardon. I waited until the Minister of Justice came back. I wrote to him stating the arrangement we had come to, and he neglected, or forgot, or mislaid that letter and did not let me know anything about it for three weeks afterwards. During
those three weeks the Bill had been called twice.


Charles Joseph Doherty: The hon. gentleman will also remember that in that letter of his he mentioned two days upon which he might have gone on and discussed this matter, and he stated that he did not want to go on on those two days. There were at least those two occasions for his convenience and not for mine.


Robert Bickerdike: Yes, there were
those two days, but the minister was not here. If the minister will not carry out in good faith what I supposed was the arrangement, then we will go on to-night.


Henry Herbert Stevens: The hon. member proposes to move that this matter go before a special committee. As such a motion would require notice, I think this debate might be adjourned to give him an opportunity to make his motion.


Robert Laird Borden: I think we had better go on.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Mr. Speaker, I just wish to say a very few words on this subject. The hon. gentleman has to-night submitted two arguments which appeal to me slightly in connection with this very important reform. One is that juries are prone to acquit persons who might be guilty of murder when they are not positive that the accused are guilty, because they know that, if they do find them guilty, they will, in all probability, send them to the gallows and they may not wish to take that responsibility, whereas, if the sentence were merely a jail sentence, they might bring in a verdict of guilty. That is an argument worthy of consideration and it is really the only strong argument advanced by the hon. gentleman.
He also mentioned a case, known as the famous Clark-Davis case, which happened in Vancouver and for which he took the Minister of Justice severely to task. Now, I do not think that the hon. gentleman put a very fair construction upon the action of the Department of Justice in considering that appeal for clemency. The facts are briefly these. 'Clark and Davis were two criminals who deliberately planned to commit a series of very serious burglaries. They equipped themselves with the usual paraphernalia such as revolvers and the instruments of their craft. They were disturbed in the act of their burglary by a policeman; got out of the building, ran across a vacant lot, and in the discharge of his duty the policeman followed them and was shot by these men. Each one said

that the other one shot the policeman, but ot course it is held in law that, where two parties go out to commit a crime which has within its view the doing of violence to the persons of others, and where in the act murder is committed, both parties are equally guilty of the crime, and I do not see what quarrel there can be with an attitude of that kind. In the case of Clark and Davis, it was established beyond any possible doubt that they went out deliberately knowing what they were going to do.


Robert Bickerdike: No.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Yes.


Robert Bickerdike: Did they know they were going to commit murder?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Both of them were prepared to commit murder in the carrying out of their design. That is clearly established, and as to the argument that those men were hanged because they were poor, there is absolutely no ground for it. They had the best counsel in Vancouver to defend them, and, in addition to that, their counsel carried their case to the Supreme Court of Canada, one counsel coming here and pleading the case in the most able manner before the Supreme Court.


Mr. C. A. WILSON:: On a question of law, a reserved case, not on a question of fact.


Henry Herbert Stevens: 
Charles Joseph Doherty: Mr. Speaker, the subject is not a new one in this House; the hon. member for St. Lawrence (Mr. Bickerdike) introduced this measure in a previous session. At that time I had occasion to express at some length the views I entertained upon the proposed Bill. Though I have listened with attention to what has been said by that hon. gentleman and also by the hon. member for South Renfrew (Mr. Graham) I cannot say that the views I then expressed

have altered since, nor have I found in the argument put forward grounds for change of opinion. Under these circumstances, I trust it will not be considered a lack of respect if I do not repeat now the answer I then made to the argument that was advanced. . So far as any one may be interested in that answer, it is available in Hansard. I cannot refrain from expressing regret that the - hon. member for St. Lawrence should have thought it necessary to suggest that-the relative wealth or poverty of a man convicted under the law of this *country has even the slightest bearing on the exercise of clemency by the Crown. I regret that he should have said that. I *quite understand that there was no particular personal reference to me, but a grave reflection was cast on all of the gentlemen who have occupied the position that I occupy as well as upon the members generally of succeeding Governments. It is to be borne in mind that the action of the Crown in capital cases is taken on the advice of the 'Cabinet; I do not know that it would be quite safe to say that the reflection of the hon. gentleman does not go to the representative of the Crown itself. I do think it is unfortunate that a gentleman whose words are, generally speaking, entitled to the weight which is rightly given to the words of the hon. member for St. Lawrence should have allowed himself, in his zeal ' to bring about what I am [DOT]satisfied he believes to be a most important reform, to commit himself to so grave a statement as that-a statement which, I am quite satisfied could not be supported by him. I do not purpose adding anything further; I really felt that I ought to make some expression with regard to the position taken by the hon. gentleman in this respect. With regard to his argument generally, I adhere to the view that I have already expressed and, adhering to that view, I feel-and my colleagues agree with me-that the Government cannot accept the measure which is now proposed. It has been suggested that we should have a committee to study this question. It is a question that has had a good deal of careful study, not only by members of this House, but on different occasions by commissions and committees appointed by other bodies, and I think the material bearing on the question is fairly available to those who are interested in studying it. I doubt very much whether anything could be added to the material available by the constitution of a committee such as is suggested. Moreover, at the present time so many things 
of immediate, pressing urgency call for the devotion of our best intelligence, our best care and our best study to them, that I think the suggestion that a committee should be appointed could very well be deferred until, perhaps, a more favourable period. I do not think that there is call at the present time, at all events, for the taking up . of the question in the manner that is suggested.


Robert Bickerdike: I think I have the right to ask for a committee. Committees have been appointed at other sessions for the consideration of subjects much less important than this. I do not think that it is fair to say that I cannot get a committee because I sit on this side of the House; I do not think that even the Prime Minister would want to treat me in that way. I was hoping that the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice might have agreed to appoint a committee. I do not ask that I may appoint the committee; I ask that the Prime Minister do so. Under the circumstances as one of the oldest members of this House I claim that I have the right to have a committee, and I ask that a committee be appointed. I would move now, seconded by the Hon. George P. Graham:
That Bill No. 2 be now read the second time and referred to a special committee, with instructions to report at the earliest possible moment.


Auguste-Charles-Philippe-Robert Landry: Order. The motion before the House is that Bill No. 2, to amend the Criminal Code, be now read the second time. The motion just made by the member for St. Lawrence is' out of order; the House will have first to decide on the question before it.
The House divided on the motion of Mr. Bickerdike.
YEAS:
Messrs.
Bickerdike,	Carvell,
Graham,	Macdonald-4.
NAYS:	.	.
Alguire,
Bennett (Simcoe), Blain,
Blondin,
Boivin,
Borden (Sir Robert), Davidson,
Doherty,
Fisher,
Gray,
Nicholson,
Messrs.
Papineau,
Patenaude,
Proulx,
Rhodes,
Rogers,
Seguin,
Shepherd,
Stewart (Lunenburg), Webster,
Wilson (Laval)-21.
Motion negatived.
On motion of Sir Robert Borden the House adjourned at 1.20 a.m. Tuesday.
IISrDEX



SIXTH SESSION-TWELFTH PARLIAMENT, 1916.

[Stage Direction]
Abbreviations. lr., 2r., 3r.n:first, second, or third reading. Amdt. - Amendment. Com.- . Committee. Con. = Consideration. Div. = Division. M.=Motion. Ref.= Reference. Rep. = Report. Res. == Resolution. Sec. = Section.
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 5.
Acknowledgment of, 1117.
Address to His Majesty the King, 636, 755. See Parliament, extension of term of.
Adulteration of food. See Food.
Advertising, government,
Homestead regulations, 827.
Immigration, 2436.
Payments for, 2299, 3095.
Post Office Department, 1164, 2739.
Agriculture
Agricultural products, export of, 345. Animals
Diseased, destruction of, 2957.
Health of, 1430, 2956, 2968.
Apples
Cost of production, 2312.
Duty on. See Taxation.
Bulletins, 1405.
Butter and cheese factories-taxation of, 1391, 1398.
Cold storage, 1427.
Dairying industry, 1391, 1398, 1420, 2966. Department Clerks, 2801.
Employees with diplomas, 2176. Estimates, 661, 1386, 1410, 2956.
Official of-remarks on apple duty, 1426. Staff and salaries, 661.
Development of, 1211, 1220.
Eggs, marketing of, 2961.
Exhibitions. See that title.
Experimental farms, 1386, 1409, 2871, 3160. 3407.
Flax. See that title.
Flax expert, 2348.
Fruit growing, 1407.
Grain. See that title.
Hay. See war supplies.
Hogs
American, 2923.
Cholera, 395, 1397, 2957.
Government inspection of, 1552, 1606.
Volume 1:	1-944.
" iv:	2973-4155.
Agriculture-Con.
Hogs-Con.
Slaughtering of at Amherst, 2174. Smuggling of into Canada, 4099.
Horses
Exportation of prohibited, 1329. Importations from United States, 2057. Purchases by Department, 3881.
Stallion-gift of by the King, 1398.
See also war supplies.
Illustration stations, 1387, 1397, 1399.
See also experimental farms.
Insect pests, 1412.
Livestock, 716, 886, 1390, 1393, 1398. Potatoes Duty on, 1430.
Embargo on, 1412.
Export of, 1059.
Inspectors, 951, 1395, 1398, 1415, 1420. Powdery scab, 1413.	,
Prices, retail, 873.
Shipment regulations, 1412.
Tobacco industry, 394.
Wheat. See grain.
Wool -
Embargo on, 393.
Exportation of, 2058.
Aitkin, Sir Max, duties of, 534.
Payments to, 2692.
Airships., See Aviation.
Alberta
Contributions to war, 915.	*
Farmers, relief for, 532.
Purchases of war supplies in, 3232.
Seed grain, 886.
Alguire, Mr. Duncan Orestes (Stormont) Soldiers, appointment of to Civil Service, 649.
Aliens
Employment of, 850.
Farm labour, for, 2649.
Government employment of, 1142. Naturalization of, 2922.
Registration of, 542.
Supervision over, 691.
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Allied Economic Conference, 2475, 2802. Allison, Colonel J. Wesley, 271, 290, 1343, 1345. 1355, 1358, 2012, 2245, 2276, 2291, 2476. See also Shell contracts.
American Club, Toronto, wrecking of, 856. Ames, Sir Herbert B. (Mont'l., St. Antoine) Budget, 1255.
The Patriotic Fund, 1255.
Amherst, N.S.
Canada Car and Foundry Company buildings, 1078.
Military barracks, 143fi, 2300, 2600.
Postal revenue, 3561.
Troops at, 3269.
War supplies purchased at, 3266. Ammunition. See War supplies.
Annandale buoys, 1808.
Annuities, Government, 1437, 2735.
Anse a Beaufils breakwater, 3623.
Anticosti, Gasp6 and north shore mail service, 536.
Antigonish
Fishery officer, 552.
Post office, 552.
River guardians, 552.
Station flower garden, 2057, 3593, 3603. Apples. See Agriculture.
Archibald, Captain M. G., services of, 539. Arisaig lightkeeper, 1808.
Armstrong, Mr. Joseph E. (E. Lambton) Budget, 1015.
The duty on apples, 1016.	.
The duty on oil, 1018.
Production and consumption of gasolene, 1019.
Flax industry, 1287.
Gasolene, production and consumption of, 1019.
Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2421, 2444, 2472. Railways, location of, 2746.
Railway Commission, powers of, 2746. Taxation
Apples, 1016, 1789.
Oil, 1018.
Armstrong lake bridge, 2692.
Army
Allowances
Disability, 105, 108, 110, 158, 2873, 3334. Separation, 109, 116, 550, 1021, 1098, 1256, 2176, 2924, 3098, 3232.
Subsistence, 550. See also Pensions. Amherst, barracks, 1435, 2300, 2600. Badges, 3509. See also Decorations. Cadets. See Militia.
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Campbellton, accommodation at, 1162. Camps
Farnham, 1164.
Valcartier, 2174.
Canadian forces, 24, 31, 40, 60.
Reorganization of, 2015.
Canadian troops in action, 889.
Carson, Brigadier-General, Staff of, 2693. Casualty lists, 2841, 3029, 3280, 3293. Chaplains, 2171, 3097.
Clothing. See war supplies.
Commissions, granting of, 3509. Conscription, 19, 26, 59, 65, 103, 180, 592, 829, 1272.
Decorations, military, 1969, 3294.
Dental corps, 3237, 4129.
Enlistments
Civil Servants, of, 655, 817,-826, 1044. Coloured men, of, 235, 557, 2114.
Districts, by, 1350.
Foreign labourers, of, 2145.
French-Canadians, of, 179, 1081, 3281. Generally, 104, 107, 360, 367.
Interior Department, from, 833,	2084,
2092.
Jews, of, 1550.
Minors, of, 3049.
Paquette, Edward, of, 2241, 2648.
Post Office employees, of, 1761. Provinces, by, 3025.
Royal Military College, from, 362.
See also Recruiting.
Equipment, military, 112.
Farnham, military camp, 1164.
First contingent, transportation of, 2693. French-Canadiana Battalion, 1373.
Medical
Corps, 3236.
Examination, 4069, 4125.
Officers
Black, Dr. J. B., 1368.
Charlottetown, 1905.
Forbes, Dr. A. McKenzie, 3528. Freeman, Dr. N. P., 3097.
Ottawa, 1759.	.
Pay of, 1349.
Selection of, 3289.
Medicine Hat Overseas Battalion, 1435. Moosejaw military, 1651.
Officers
Canadian, in England, 949, 1377, 1551. Commissions, granting of, 3509. Muirhead, Major, charges against, 306, 398.
Political activities of, 3541.
Spidal, J. A., 3541. See also Spiddel. Training of, 289, 3533.
Unattached, in England, 1377.
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Orangemen in Army Service, 359. Overseas forces Equipment of, 3504, 3513.
Forwarding of, 3513.
Framing and disposition of, 2348. Parliament, members of, in military service, 949, 1328, 1550, 2168.
Pensions. See that title.
Prisoners from penitentiaries in, 2117, Promotions, system of, 1351.
Provisions. . See war supplies.
Rations, expenditure for, 440.
Recruiting
Alleged opposition to, 1607.
Bellechase county, in, 1325,
Coloured men, of, 235, 557, 2114. Edmonton, in, 113, 3586.
Enrollment by districts, 1350. French-Canadians, of, 3643.
Medical examinations, 440.
Methods of, 292.
Montreal, in, 4069, 4125.
Nova Scotia, in, 145, 1367, 3255.
Officers
Appointment of, 1350, 1373.
Fillimore, Major, 2477.
Kennedy, R. H., 4075.
Mullock, T. A., 2300.
Ottawa, 3586.
Spiddel, Rev. J. A., 3097, 3541.
Quebec, in, 479, 491, 498, 3281.
Unfit men, of, 3251.
Western provinces, in, 3550.
Rifle practice, 3517.
Soldiers Ballots for, 673.
Barbour, Private, death of, 3417v Chute, Lieutenant A. H., 2476.
Civil Service-appointment of to, 642, 1276.
Curry, Private D., death of, 2987, 3049. Deceased, estates of, 4075.
Decorations, record of, 1969.
Dependents of, allowances to. See Allowances.
Disabled, provision for, 105, 108, 110, 158, 2873, 3334.
Discharge of, 3230.
Employment of
In England, 995, 1371.
On farms, 3589, 4129.
Equipment of, 3502-3528.
Private subscriptions for, 590.
Grenier, Private Adolphe, 3559.
Hayes, Joseph, charges against, 306, 400. Homes for, 1657, 1662.
Illiterate, 1904.
Insane, 1659, 1664.
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Intoxicating liquor, use of by, 756, 803. Kits. See war supplies.
Mail matter for, 532, 2051, 2053.
Medical examination of, 4069, 4125.
Pay of, 552, 1162.
Punishment of, 3051, 3099, 3230, 3257, 3525, 3537.
Railway fares, for Return, 2646.
Single, 3594.
Special, 2549.
Relatives of, payments to, 3560.
Return tickets for, 2646.
Returned, provision for, 233, 237, 1638. Riots, participation in, 756, 803	855
2548.
Special railway rates, for, 2549. Stedman, Robert E., 3232.
Stewart, Corporal, death of, 2443. Technical training for, 1618, 1626.
Voting of, 3511.
Working in England, 995, 1371.
Troops
Local, supplies to, 552, 851, 968, 1042, 1043, 1077, 1349, 2172.
Mobilization of, 288, 302.
Transportation of, 35, 58, 2693. Woodmen's Regiment, 1117.
13th C.M.R.-commanding officer, 1329. 40th Battalion, 1043.
68th Battalion, 2695.
101st Battalion, 3548.
102nd Battalion, 1041.
104th Battlaion-medical officer, 1161. 106th Regiment-supplies, 851, 1042 1077 1349, 2172.
109th Battalion-separation allowances 2348.
151st Battalion, recruiting of, 1372.
159th Battalion, 1435.
163rd Battalion, 4152.
191st Battalion, 1329.
206th Battalion, 2167.
See also War and Militia.
Astronomical observatory, western 2430 2871.
Astronomical surveys. See surveys.
Auditor General, salary of, 657.
Aviation, 2895, 2898, 2900.
Baddeck, wharf, 548.
Badger, W., employment of, 1439.
Baleine, steamship, 3676.
Bank Act Amendment Bills Interest on deposits, lr., 2599.
Loans to farmers, Res., 674. lr., 681.	2r.,
924. Ref. to Com., 937. Com., 1611. 3r., 1714. Sen. Arndts., 3147.
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Dominion notes, advances of, 592. 'Nationalization of, 1834.
Paper currency, issue of, 1834.
*Savings deposits, rate of interest on, 543. Taxes payable by banks, 2176, 2478.
Barnard, Mr. Geo. H. (Victoria, B.C.)
Pelagic Sealing Commission, 3025. Shipbuilding, 4057.
Bateman, Captain John, employment of, 545.
Battle of St. Julien-commemoration of anniversary, 3026.
Bay Fortune breakwater, 3635.
Bay St. Lawrence telegraph office, 1551.
Bear River, N.S.-public building site, 1164. Beehan, J. J., employment of, 3408.
Beland, Dr. H. S., detention of in Germany, 806, 1274.
Payment of sessional indemnity to, 3873.
Bellemare, Mr. A. (MaskinongS)
Bilingual question, the, 3824.
Budget, 1034.
Canada and the war, 1034.
Our national security, 1035.
Intercolonial railway-sleepers, 549.
RiviOre du Loup Dredging, 2477.
Wharf, 2543.
Bennett, D. D., 1759.
Bennett, Mr. R. B. (Calgary)
Bilingual question, the, 3812.
Canadian Northern Railway Company-loan to, proposed, 3945.
Grain
Congestion in the West, 3883. Transportation of, 3077.
Interior Department expenditure, 2091. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2210. Saskatchewan Judges' salaries, 2071.
Seed Grain indebtedness, 510.
Shell contracts, 1565.
Technical education, 2206.	v
Bennett, Mr. Wm. H. (East Simcoe)
Mail contracts, 2615.
Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2449.
Political patronage, 1363.
Shipbuilding, 3127.
War supplies-Securing of, orders for, 971. Woman suffrage, 1195.
Berlin, Ont.
Aliens, registration of, 542.
Disturbances at, 855.
Best, Mr. John A. (Duffierin)
Enlistment of Post office employees, 1761. Genest, Mr. S. M„ employment of, 885.
Mail contracts, 2613.
Railways-passenger service, 3422.
Taxation of apples, 1786.
Bickerdike, Mr. Robert (Montreal, St. Lawrence)
Aliens, naturalization of, 2922.
Capital punishment, 39, 558, 1956, 1968.
Big Island mail service, 549.
Bilingual question, the, 482-490, 1206, 1810, 1833, 3618, 3676, 3734.
Blades, Captain Charles, employment of, 545.
Blain, Mr. Richard (Peel)
Governing Council of the Salvation Army . in Canada, 2907.
Ontario Niagara Connecting Bridge Company, 1891.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 2906.
Western Canada Telephone Company, 1888. Blondin, Hon. P. E. (Secretary of State and Minister of Mines)
Mines Department	,
Estimates, 2326.
Reports, 2336.
Peat, 2329.
Blue River M. & L. Company, 1076.
Boivin, Mr. Geo. H. (Shefford)
Bilingual question, 1206, 3808.
British Columbia Companies Act, 3561. Farnham Experimental farm, 3407.
Fenian Raid Bounty, 3231.
Hogs, smuggling of into Canada, 4099. Judges .
Montreal, 2301.
Quebec, 2692.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2356. Quebec referee on butter and cheese, 3942. Victoria Memorial Museum, specimens for, 2343, 2345.
Bonaventure
Inspectors of weights and measures, 671. Mail service, 1438, 2172. [DOT]
Boots, army. See War Supplies.
Borden, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert (Prime Minister)
Address in reply to Governor General s Speech, 22.
Decease of members, 22.
Government expenditures, 23. Commandeering of wheat, 23.
The war situation, 23.
Canadian forces, 24, 31.
Conscription, 26.
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Address in reply to Governor General's Speech-Con.
War commissions, appointment of, 26. Visit to Great Britain, 27.-Produetion of munitions and supplies, 28. Transportation, 29.
Purchase of horses, 30.
Spirit of the Allies, 30.
Address to His Majesty the King, 636, 755. Aliens, supervision of, 690.
Army
Badges, 3509.
Canadian forces, 24, 31.
Casualty lists, 3280, 3293.
Clothing, 3527.
Commissions, granting of, 3510. Conscription, 26.
Dental corps, 3237, 4129.
Medical corps, 3236.
Military decorations, 3294.
Officers
Political activities of, 3541.
Training of, 3533.	.
Overseas forces, equipment of, 3504, 3515. Recruiting, 3289, 3587, 4125.
Soldiers
Civil Service-appointment to, 650. Deceased, estates of, 4095.
Dependents of, allowances to, 4105. Discharge of, 3230.
Employment of on farms, 4129. Equipment of, 3502, 3528.
Homes, for, 1662.
Pensions. See Pensions.
Punishment of, 3231, 3525, 3537.
Return tickets for, 2646.
Riots, participation in, 756.
Voting of, 3511.
Battle of St. Julien-commemoration of anniversary, 3026.
Beland, Dr., detention of in Germany, 806. Bilingual question, 3619, 3690.
Brantford, city of, 2664.
Cable and wireless rates, 672.
.Cadet service, 3502.
Calgary, alleged disturbances at, 756. Canadian Northern Railway Company- proposed loan to, 3945.	.
Canadian Red Cros's Society, 1325, 1492, 2014.
Canals, patrolling of, 3591.-Censored mail matter, 3029, 3050.
Chairman of Committee, appointment of, ' 531.
Civil Service
Appointment of soldiers to, 650. Enlistments from, 822, 824.
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Civil Service Commission, 665.
Constitutional Documents, publication of, 976.
Currie, General, 2351.
Davidson Commission, 2399, 4006.
Daylight saving, 4006.
Economic and Development Commission, 3641.
External affairs, Department of, 1207.
Fair wages boards, 1277.
Government expenditures, 974, 976.
Governor General-Correction of press statement, 2443.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company

proposed loan to, 3577, 3662.
Gratuities to public servants, 3535.
High Commissioner, Canadian, 664, 667, 956.
Home Guard, 3504.
Hospitals, military, 3236.
House of Commons
Ash Wednesday adjournment, 1329.
Business of the House, 1208.
Clerk assistant, appointment of, 884.
Hansard, alleged omission from, 2648.
Mace, the, 762.
Morning sittings, 2111, 2924.
Two o'clock sittings, 3294.
Immigration-widows and children, 1330.
Imperial Munitions Board, 594, 804, 923, 1509.
Intercolonial railway-return tickets for soldiers, 2646.
International Joint Commission, 980.
Law, the late Mr. B. B., M.P., death of, 590.
Meredith-Duff. Commission-printing of evidence, 4130.
Militia and Defence Department estimates, 3502, 3537, 3586.
Minister of Munitions, 532.
Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 686, 956.
National Transcontinental Railway, Government operation of, 2399.
Naval Service, 1689, 1763, 2545.
Nickel, exportation of, 2166.
Ottawa buildings, height of, 2166.
Parliament
Extension of term of, 622, 4077.
See also Address to His Majesty the King.
Independence of-subscriptions to Dominion loan, 755.
Railways, 'jurisdiction respecting, 947.
Parliament Buildings
Destruction of, 578, 582.
Messages of sympathy, 855.
Report of Chief Commissioner of Police, 669.
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Parliament Buildings-Con.
Reconstruction of, 591, 663, 2013, 2014. Committee of members on, 3050. Pensions to soldiers, 1659, 1989, 4131, 4150. Political patronage, 3288, 3544.
Post Office Department expenditure, 1887. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1441. 2351.
Quebec and'Saguenay Railway, 2530. Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4048. Railways
Location of, 2750.
Oil for fuel on, 977.
Railway Commission, powers of, 2750. Remounts for Canadian forces, 950.
St. John and Quebec railway, 3502.
Shell Committee. See Shell contracts. Shipbuilding, 4052.
Solicitor General, 667.
Tupper, late Right Hon. Sir Charles, Bart, i 39, 582.
"Vessels, Canadian, requisitioning of, 1970. Vickers-Maxim Ltd., strike at, 1764.
War
Appropriations, 3233, 3287, 3533. Purchasing Commission, 1279.
War Supplies
Ammunition, 28, 106.
British Government, for, 957-973.
French Government, for, 973.
Horses, 30, 542, 652, 653, 758, 950, 1041. Issues of to Canadian troops, 968. Machine guns, contributions for, 3291, 3522.
Orders for, securing of, 957-973.
Ross rifles, 3505-3522, 4106, 4107.
Russian Government, for, 973.
Shell contracts-proposed committee of, investigation into, 1505, 2442, 2920, 2985, 3477.
Small arms ammunition, 2302, 3890. Water powers Control of, 556.
Ownership of, 760.
Wheat, commandeering of, 23.
Winnipeg, disturbances at, 2548.
Woman suffrage, 1203.
Boots, purchase of. See War supplies. Boucher, Dr., complaints against, 1550.
Boulay, Mr. H. (Rimouski)
Agriculture, 1395.
Budget, 1079.
Reply to Mr. Lanctot, 1079. Immigration, 1080.
Germans in the public service, 1081.
Boulay, Mr. H. (Rimouski)-Con.
Budget-Con.
French-Canadian and enlistment, 1081. Government expenditure, 1082.
Censors and decipherers, 2476.
Civil Service
Appointments to, 650, 666.
Examinations, 2478.
French-Canadians in, 1176.
Soldiers, appointment of, to, 650. Enlistment of Jews, 1550. French-Canadians in Civil Service, 1176 Gulf fisheries guardian, 548.
Haanel, Dr., employment of, 851. Intercolonial railway
Dining car service, 2420.
Express service, 2420.
Operation of, 2595.
Passenger service, 3421.
Interior Department, expenditure, 2095. Life-saving stations, 2916.
Military Hospital Commission, 2347.
Mining products, export of, 1161.
Ottawa Citizen-statements of, 807. Penitentiaries, 2121.
Pilotage, 751.
Political patronage, 1377.
Post office employees, 1906.
Potato inspectors, 951.
Quebec steamship service, 2852, 2855. Rimouski and Matane, enlistments from, 2301.
Rimouski harbour improvements, 3175. Soldiers, appointment of to Civil Service, 650.
Wheat, free, 1060.
Boundary surveys. See surveys.
Bo urassa, Henri, alleged disloyal utterances of, 356, 363, 379.
Bourassa, Mr. J. Boutin (Levis)
Gely, Aurele, employment of, 1759.
LSvis
Drill hall, 2173.
Military property, lease of, 2922. Quarantine station, 2011, 3352.
Boyer, Mr. Gustave (Vaudreuil)
Dempsey, Ernest, stone purchased from, 3098.
Macdonald, Archibald, 2694.
Maple sugar industry, 2159.
Monpetit, Eleazer, 2694.
Nickle export, 2799.
Rigaud-Pointe Fortune mail route, 541, 595. Soulanges Canal, 1041, 1437, 1760.
Boys, Mr. W. A. (S. Simcoe)
Shell contracts, 2249.
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Political patronage, 1365.
St. Peter's Indian reserve, 2928.
Selkirk barracks, 1385.
Sweeney, Mr.-statement of Mr. Turriff, 1156.
Brandt, Peter, employment of, 832.
Breen's pond breakwater, 1438.
Bristol, Mr. Edward (Toronto Centre) Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2470.
British Columbia
Goods shipped to via Panama Canal, 4092. Indian Commission, 852.
Labourers, importation of, 1329. Lighthouse service, 3352.
102nd Battalion, mobilization of, 1041. Public works-dredging, 1077.
Resources and production of, 3842. Sealers, claims of, 595.
British Columbia Companies Act, 3561.
British North America Act, proposed amendment. See Parliament, extension of term of.
British Remount Commission, 2799.
Broad Cove Marsh wharf, 3557.
Broder, Mr. Andrew (Dundas)
Shell contracts, 2519.
Bromptorfville mail service, 3562.
Buchanan, Mr. William A. (Medicine Hat) Alberta farmers, relief for, 532.
Aliens, interned, as farm labourers, 2649. Army
13th C.M.R.-commanding officer, 1329. 191st Battalion, 1329.
British Columbia copper refineries and zinc smelter, 2799.
Budget, 915.
Alberta and the war, 915.
Taxation, 916.
Duty on apples, 916.
Political patronage, 917.
Marketing of wheat, 917.
Western farm problems, 919.
Grain elevators, 920.
Carslake hotel property, 3562.
Casualty lists, 3029.
Experimental farms, 1407.
Farm labour, 1906, 2649.
Flax industry, 1293.
Fruitgrowing, 1407.
Grain
Elevators, 532, 920, 1609.
Marketing of, 917.
Shipments on Transcontinental railway, 1276.
Buchanan, Mr. William A. (Medicine Hat) -Con.
Grain-Con.
Transportation, 1308.
Wheat, commandeering of, 3222, 3226. Grazing leases, 847.
Iimmigration-Austrian and German, 547. Indian Lands Commission, 2057, 2867. Irrigation, 842.
Lethbridge,
Immigration agent, 2695.
Internment camp supplies, 2011.
Post office, 2800.
Loans to farmers, 550, 679.
Medicine Hat
Customs building, 1440.	'
Eagle Butte mail service, 534.
Overseas regiment, 1435.
Post office, 534.
Pre-emptions, payments on, 534. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 638, 2357.
Railways, guarantees to, 887.
Roseberg post office, 2474.
Seed grain,
Distribution, 2862.
Purchase of, 886.
Taber irrigation district, 2807.
Taxation of apples, 1775.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 2903, 2906.
Transcontinental railway-grain shipments on, 1276.
War supplies
Alberta purchases, 3232.
Hay, 2298.	*
Oats, 2298.
Purchasing agents, 3528.
Wool, exportation of, 2058.
Budget debate, 807, 889, 989, 1015, 1079, 1118, 1137, 1209, 1228. See Taxation.
Buffalo in parks, 845.
Bureau, Mr. Jacques (Three Rivers and St. Maurice)
Marchand, Zepherin, fuel purchased from, 3098.
Mines Department expenditure, 2341. National Transcontinental Railway, Government operation of, 2593.
Ontario Hydro-Radial scheme and French Members, 1432.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1491. Burleigh expedition, 853.
Burleigh falls, lease of, 2583. See Water-powers.
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Burnham, Mr. John H. (Peterborough West) Address in reply tb Governor General's Speech, 372.
The Opposition and the war, 372-376. Nationalists, and political parties, 377. Statement of Mr. Armand Lavergne, 377. Civil Service, appointment of ex-soldiers to, 649.
Labour bureaus, national, 610.
Lavergne, Mr. Armand, 377.
Niagara, St. Catherines and Toronto Railway Company, 2458.
Peterborough public building, 2810. Political patronage in military affairs, 1363, 3253, 3542.
Post Office Mail contracts, 2725.
Rural mail service, 2621.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2480. Railways
Departmental estimates, 3063. Nationalization of, 3364.
Recruiting, alleged opposition to, 1607. Soldiers
Appointments to Civil Service, 649. Illiterate, 1904.
Taxation of land, 2000.
Technical education, 1628, 2200.
Toronto Star-statements of, 555.
Trade policies, 1618.
Trent canal, 2580.
Burrell, Hon. Martin (Minister of Agricul-[DOT] ture)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 313.	_
Canadians and the war, 313.
The Davidson Commission, 315. Purchase of submarines, 316-319.
Hay contracts, 320-335.
Printing-proposed reduction in cost, 4154.
Submarines, purchase of, 316-319.
Business Profits War Tax Act, administration of, 3638.
Business Profits War Tax Bill, lr., 2298. 2r., 2601. Com., 2636, 2649.	3r., 2802.
Cables. See Telegraphs.
Calgary, alleged disturbances at, 756, 803. Campbellton
"Alleged disturbances at, 756, 803, 855, 945. Gaspd steamship service, 536, 3100. Proposed bridge, 3628.
Public* building, 1162.
Railway superintendent, 535.
Soldiers' accommodation at, 1162.
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Canada Grain Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1603.
2r„ 1706. Com., 1706, 1971.	3r„ 1971.
Canada Peat Society, 2329.
Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bills.
Certificated motor boats, lr., 2346.	2r„
2802. Com., 2885.	3r„ 2956.
Coasting, lr., 589.	2r., 1300-1305. Com.,
1305. Ref. to Com., 2496. Com., 4128. 3r., 4128.
Pilotage, lr„ 2542.	2r., 2804. Com., 2804,
2885. 3r„ 2956.	,	_
Canada Temperance Act Amendment Bill,
lr., 2878.	2r., 3298. Com., 3298.	3r„
3303.
Canadian Associated Press, 3638.
Canadian Manufacturers Association and
war supplies, 159.
Canadian Northern Railway Company
Audit of revenues and expenditures, 3989. Director of, 2648.
Loan to, proposed, 3345, 3563, 3648, 3826, 3933, 3943.
Rates on oil, 3410.
Snow blockade on, 2647.
Subsidies and guarantees to, 1042. Canadian Pacific Railway Freight congestion on, 2742.
Subsidies and guarantees to, 1042. Canadiana Red Cross Society Amendment Bill, lr., 1325.	2r„ 1493. Com., 2014.
3r„ 2015.
Canadian Transport Service, 2888.
Canals, 1712, 3609.
Patrolling of, 3519. For individual canals, see their titles.
Cap a la Roche channel, 761.
Cape Breton, dredging, 2172.
Cape Negro island lighthouse, 544.
Capital Punishment Abolition Bill, lr., 391.
2r„ 1957. Div., 1968.
Carkner, W. Lloyd, employment of, 1169. Carleton Beach protection works, 536. Carleton Drug Company, purchases from, 2542.
Carroll, Mr. W. F. (Cape Breton South) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 363.	_
Nationalists and the war-Bourassa and Lavergne, 363.
Loyalty of French-Canadians, 365.
The Shell Committee, 366.
Enlistments, 367.
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Address in reply to Governor General's Speech-Con. ,
Naval policy, 368.
Political patronage, 368.
Technical education, 370.
Divorce, 777.	*
Enlistments, 367.	_
Glace Bay mail service, 533.
Louisburg, censors and decoders at, 1808. Naval Service, 1693.
Political patronage, 368.
Shell Committee, The, 366.
Shipbuilding, encouragement of, 712, 4065. South Cape Breton, enlistments in, 2547. Sydney Pilotage Commission, 986.
Carslake hotel property, 3562.
Carson, General John, position of, 851.
Carvell, Mr. Frank B. (Carleton, N.B.) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 236.
The financial situation, 236.
Provision for returning soldiers, 237. Naval affairs, 238.
War contracts, 238-275.
Davidson Commission, 266-274.
Political patronage and the war, 276. Allison, Colonel J. Wesley, 1355, 1358.
See also Shell contracts.
Army
Enlistment of minors, 3049.
Officers, Canadian, in England.
102nd Battalion, 1041.
Soldiers Pay of, 1162.
Returning, provision for, 237.
British Columbia-102nd Battalion, 1041. Censoring of mail matter, 2880.
Cold storage, 1427.
Desks, purchases of, 1279.
Experimental farms, 1387, 1410.
Fish and fisheries-salmon, 2394.
Flax expert, 2348.
Fraudulent questions, 1492.
Hay contracts. See war supplies.
Indians, 2674.
Motor car-Pierce Arrow-purchase of, 1327.
Munitions inspectors, 2006.
Owen, James W., patent of, 1158.
Patent rights-extension of, 1158.
Personal explanation-shell deliveries, 2240. Political patronage, 276, 1353, 1361. Potatoes
Powdry scab, 1416.
Shipment regulations, 1412.
St. John and Quebec railway, 1433, 3015.
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Con. St. John harbour improvements, 730-738. St. John Valley Railway, 757, 1908, 1945. Scammell, J. K., position of, 1157.
Stewart, J. H.-automobile seizure, 1438. Surveys, 1323.
Taxation Oil, 1804.
Profits, 1892, 1897, 1994, 1998.
Technical education, 370.
Victoria, B.C.-coal for dredges, 546.
War
Investigations, 265-276.
Submarines, 266.
Purchasing Commission, 1279, 1907.
War supplies Bandages, 1354.
Bayonets, 1761.
Binoculars, 1353.
Clothing, 1356.
Hay, 255-265, _1422, 2543.
Horses, 267-270.
Lumber, 1354.
Motor trucks, 1358.
Munition contracts, 235.
Pistols, 270-274, 1358.
Ross rifle, 1359.	[DOT]
Shell contracts, 238-255, 683, 803, 1523, 1552, 1609, 3404, 3464, 3498.
Small arms ammunition, 2168, 2881, 3908. Wheat
Commandeering of, 1278.
New Zealand purchases, 1278, 1438.
Casgrain, Hon. T. Chase (Postmaster General)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 40.
Canada's war forces, 40.
Patriotic meetings in Quebec, 41. French-Canadians in active service, 42. Attitude of Le Devoir, 43.
Germanic aims, 44.
Heroism of France, 45.
Overseas Dominions and the war, 46. Annuities, Government, 2735.
Bilingual question, 3620, 3709.
Canadian military forces, 40. French-Canadians in militaEy service, 42. Montreal postal service, 2031, 2037.
Pilot, wreck of the, 106.
Post office
Censoring of mail matter, 2880. Department estimates, 663, 2016, 2716, 3934.
Employees, 2029.
Letters for soldiers, 2051, 2053.
Mail service on the Transcontinental, 2051.
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Post Office-Con.
Parcel post, 2736.
Railway mail service, 2023, 2051. Revenue, 532.
Rural mail service, 2017, 2032, 2010, 2052. Quebec
Patriotic meetings in, 41.
Postal service, 2035.
Railways, acquisition of, 4001.
Soldiers' letters, postage on, 532.
Casualty lists. See Army Cattle. Sec Agriculture.
Censoring of mail matter. See Post office. Censors and decoders, 640, 851, 1808, 2476. Census-population of Canada, 1277. Chairman of Committees. See Deputy Speaker.
Chandler wharf, 3161.
Chaplains. See Army.
Charlottetown, P.E.I.
Public works employees at, 2799.
Chatham, N.B.
Local freight at, 1705.
Train service, 3394.
China, Canada's trade with, 344. See Trade and commerce.
Chisholm, Mr. Alexander W. (Inverness) Cape Breton-dredging, 2172.
Eastern harbour-dredging expenditure, 760, 853.
Fish and fisheries Bait, 2387.
Dogfish, 2405.
Trawlers, beam, 760.
Halifax terminals, 885.
Indians, 2671.
Intercolonial railway-passenger service, 3428.
Inverness
Mail service, 2718.
Post offices, 1550.
Public works expenditures, 853. Margaree harbour Removal of wreckage, 717.
Wharf, 739.
Nova Scotia steamship service, 2854.
Port Hood wharf, 760.
Sick Mariners Fund, 752.
Temiskaming dam, 2546.
Chisholm, Mr. William (Antigonish) Antigonish Fishery officer, 552.
Post offices, 552.
River guardians, 552.
Station garden, 2057, 3593, 3603.
Chisholm, Mr. Will iam (Antigonish)-Con. Arisaig lightkeeper, 1808.
Breen's pond breakwater, 1438.
Broad Cove Marsh wharf, 3557.
Cape St. George lightkeepers, 727.
Coal mining, government control of, 719. Cribbin's Point wharf, 1438.
Ferguson, Mr. T. R„ employment of, 885. Fish and fisheries Dogfish, 2408.
Fishermen, medical treatment for, 2414. Transportation, 2415.
Lobsters, 2370, 2391.
Indians, enlisted, 3407.
Intercolonial railway Fieh on, 2479, 2415.
Locomotives, 3067.
Management, 3092. i'assenger service, 3421.
Nova Scotia public works, 3149.
Pope, Sir Joseph, 2924.
Public works, expenditure on, 3319.
Spidal, J. A., 3541.
Tibbits, Archibald, employment of, 1439. Tracadie harbour improvements, 1438, 3149.
Civil Service
Appointments to, 948, 1148, 1149, 4089. Auditor General, salary of, 657, Commission, 664, 665.
Deputy Ministers, salaries of, 659, 983. Dorchester county appointments, 2921. Employees in Government Departments, 3674.	'
Enlistments from, 655, 817-826, 1044, 1761. Examinations, 2478.
French-Canadians in, 1176, 2006. Generally, 658.
Lower grade employees, pay of, 4079. Messengers, 2743, 2765.
Ministers, salaries of, 667.
Public Works Department clerks, 3096. Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of, 4079.
Soldiers, appointment of to, 642, 1276. Wives of enlisted Civil Servants, allowances to, 3232.
Clark, Mr. Hugh (North Bruce)
Bilingual question, the, 3796.
Printing-proposed reduction in cost, 4152.
Clark, Mr. Michael (Red Deer)
Address in reply to Governor General's - Speech, 32.
Tribute to Governor General, 32. Western production and prices, 33.
Free wheat, 33.
Question of a general election, 34.
Delay in getting troops to the front, 35.
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Con.
Government's war expenditures, 36.
Sir Wilfrid Laurier's patriotism, 37. Free wheat, 33.
House of Commons-morning sittings,
2112.
Loans-Dominion, $75,000,000, 1839. Political partyism in war time, 3275. Taxation of apples, 1765, 2308.
Troops, transportation of, 35.
War
Appropriations, 3275.
Expenditure, 36.
Woman suffrage, 1197.
Clements, Mr. Herbert (Comox-Atlin) Dredging, Victoria-graft charges, 2398. Coal. See Mines.
Coasting trade. See Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bills and Steamship service.
Cochrane, Hon. Frank (Minister of Railways and Canals)
Hudson Bay Navigation-Anderson report, 636.
Transcona railway shops, lease of, 636. Cockshutt, Mr. William F. (Brantford)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 57.
Canada and the war, 57.
Transportation of troops, 58. Achievments of British fleet, 58.
British forces, 58.
Conscription, 59, 65.
Canadians at the front, 60.
Great Britain's sacrifices for the war, 60.
Resources of Great Britain, 61. Australians and the war, 61.
India and the war, 62.
Ireland and the war, 62.
Present war conditions, 63.
Supreme efforts necessary, 66.
Brantford, city of, 947, 1625.
Canadian Northern Railway Company, proposed loan to, 3850.
Conscription, 59, 65.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company, proposed loan to, 3850.
Taxation of profits, 2002.
War
British fleet, 58.
British forces, 58.
Canadians at the front, 60. Transportation of troops, 58.
Cold storage. See Agriculture.
Cole falls water-power, 842.
Cole Harbour wharf, 758, 3150.
Coloured men, enlistment of. See Army. Commissions. See individual titles Committees. See House of Commons Conscription. See Army Conservation Commission, 977.
Constitutional documents, 976.
Copp, Mr. A. B. (Westmorland, N.B.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 403.
The Government and the war, 403. Shell contracts, 405, 409.
The Minister of Militia, 407.
Recruiting and pensions, 408.
Selection of officers, 410.
Hay contracts, 410.
Extension of term of parliament, 413. Amherst
Military barracks, 2300, 2600.
War supplies, purchases of at, 3266. Burleigh expedition, 853.
Experimental farms, 1402.
Ferguson, Dr., 1042.
Fillimore, Major, 2477.
Fish and fisheries Gasolene, 2393.
Inspectors, 2392.
Lobsters, 2371.
Patrol service, 2413.
Hay compressing contracts, 537.
Hogs, slaughtering of at Amherst, 2174. Immigration, 2106.
Indians, 2679.
Intercolonial railway Employees, 3097, 3401.
Equipment, 3606.
Freight, handling of, 2742.
Operation, 3398.
Saekville spur line, 3611.
Train service, 3397.
Truro-Moneton section, 3352.
Militia, Minister of-trips to England, in 1914 and 1915, 2425.
Moncton-Main Street subway, 3024.
New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island railway, 3025.
Officers, military, selection of, 410. Parliament, extension of term of, 413. Penitentiaries, 2122, 2149.
Pensions, 408.
Political patronage, 1364, 1366, 3266. Potatoes, inspection of, 1419.
Prince Edward Island car ferry service, 3393.
Recruiting, 408.
Rural mail service, 2730.
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Public building, 2816.
Wharf accommodation, 3160.
St. John Valley Railway, 1941.
Seflington, George, 1437.
Sharpe, Colonel Samuel, M.P., 2924. Stewart, Corporal D., death of, 2443. Taxation of profits, 1853.
War appropriations, 3265.
War supplies Hay, 410, 2968.
Shell contracts, 405.
Cost of Living Commission, 852, 1216.
Courts. See Justice Cribbin's Point wharf, 1438.
Criminal Code Amendment Bills
Abolition of Capital Punishment, lr., 39.
2r„ 1957. Div., 1968.
Bigamy, lr., 1040.
Crothers, Hon. Thos. W. (Minister of Labour)
Fair wages clause in munitions contracts, 3555.
Globe newspaper, statements of, 1811. Labour
Bureaus, national, 604.
Department estimates, 3555.
Soldiers returned, provision for, 1638. Technical education, 535, 1636, 2187.
White phosphorus matches, 989, 1493, 1615. Cruise, Mr. Robt. (Dauphin)
Elliott, Dr. H. H., employment of, 553. Free wheat, 1052.
Grain congestion in the West, 3882. Manitoba school lands, 3675.
Timber protection, 839.
Currie, General, at St. Julien, 2351.
Currie, Mr. John A. (North Simcoe)
Budget, 989.
The financial situation, 990.
Taxation proposals, 990.
Germany's commercial policy, 991.
The war and Imperial unity, 992. Mobilization and training of Canadian forces, 993.
Soldiers-employment of in England, 995.
Experiences in the trenches, 995.
Food and clothing of the soldiers, 997. Promotions in the army, 998.	-
The Battle of St. Julien, 999.
National service in France, 1002. Organization of our industries, 1004. Public printing-proposed reduction in cost, 3875.
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Rifles, 3518.
Rifle practice, 3517.
Soldiers
Employment of in England, 995. Punishment of, 3525.
Training of, 3517.
Customs
Agricultural implements, duty on, 4068. Bonding privileges, 4097.
Department Estimates, 661.
' Staff and salaries, 661, 3644.
Free entry of goods, 3644.
Minister of-visit to New York, 2012. Smuggling, 642, 4099.
Customs Tariff Act Amendment Bill. Res. 1764. lr., 1842.	2r., 2303. Com., 2303.
3r„ 2361.
Daigle, Zepherin, employment of, 2922. [DOT]Dairying. See Agriculture.
Davidson, Mr. Avard L. (Annapolis)
Apples, duty on, 1092.
Budget, 1088.
Party tactics, 1088.
Party policies contrasted, 1089.
The farmers and fishermen, 1091.	.
Canadian Pacific Railway Company,
1091.
The tariff on apples, 1092.
Reduction of government expenditure,
1092.
Taxation features of the Budget, 1090. Dogfish, 2408.
Indians, 2670.
Intercolonial railway-branch lines, 2775. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2223. Taxation of apples, 1092.
Davidson Commission
Appointment of counsel, 4006.
Printing of evidence of, 4130.
Report of, 3188. See also Shell contracts.
Daylight saving, 4006.
Debates. See House of Commons, Hansard.
Delisle, Mr. Michel (Portneuf)
Commercial agents, 1653.
Inland Revenue Department, appointments to, 2175.	.
Neuville lighthouse, 593.
Port Marcotte, 2171.
Valcartier camp, 2174.
Vallyfield breakwater, 2694.
Weights and measures, inspectors of, 2475.
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Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 529.
French-Canadian Conservative representation in the Cabinet, 529.
Hay contracts, 530.
Loyalty of French-Canadian people, 530. Ham, Mrs. Berlington, 949.
Hay contracts, 530.
Lasoski, Max, 949.
Dempsey, Ernest, stone purchased from, 3098. Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees (Mr. E. N. Rhodes), rulings and statements of Adjournment motion, 3405.
Amendments irrelevant, 1712, 1714.
Bills not to be introduced by resolution, 3617.
Committee of Supply, powers of, 3944. Irrelevancy, 975, 1645, 1834, 3548.
Motion for Committee to rise not in order, 2453.
Unparliamentary expressions, 4035.
Derby junction railway improvements, 3393. Descarries, Mr. Joseph A. (Jacques Cartier) Montreal island, bridge connection with, 3629.
Petroleum, 2648.
Quebec highways, 3169.
Whistling of vessels, 3612.
Devenish, Mr., employment of, 638.
Devlin, Mr. Emmanuel B. (Wright)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 337.
Purchase of submarines, 337.
Canada's financial and trade conditions, 339-346.
The Shell Committee, 346-350. Agricultural products, export of, 345. Berlin, Ont.-registration of aliens, 542. Bilingual question, the, 3684.
Civil Service, enlistments from, 823.
Fish, Canadian, in England, 2741.
Pay and Record Office, Canadian, 3024. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2359. Public works-buildings, 341.
Shell Committee, The, 346-350.
Submarines, purchase of, 337.
Taxation, 339.
Trade and	Commerce-China,	United
States, 344.
Transport, director of, 3096.
War supplies, director of, 3096.
Woman suffrage, 1203.
Digby Gap submarine bell, 1276.
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D'lsraeli government wharf, 3562.
Divorce cases, procedure in, 595, 762-792. Doherty, Hon. C. J. (Minister of Justice) Aliens, naturalization of, 2922.
Bilingual question, the, 1833, 3802. Canadian Law Library in London, 987. Canada Temperance Act Amdt., 2878, 3298. Capital punishment, 1956, 1967.
Divorce, 781.
Exchequer Court Act, 3404.
Gratuities to public servants, 3536.
Judges' salaries, 2319, 2323.
Judicial vacancies, Quebec, 924.
Justice Department Estimates, 983, 2115.
Staff and salaries, 983.
Indeterminate sentences, 2845. Penitentiaries Kingston, 2115, 2133.
Prison reform, 2841-2846.
Prisoners from in military service, 2117. St. Vincent de Paul, 2118.
Ticket of leave system, 2117,
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1901, 2478, 2494, 2550-2569, 2696-2716, 27582765, 2882, 2946-2956, 4127.
Provincial legislation, reports on, 988. Ross, W. T., release of, 2302.	[DOT]
St. Peter's Indian reserve, 2065, 2318, 2940. Saskatchewan Judges' salaries, 2071-2078. Shell contracts, 3487.
Small arms ammunition, 3914.
Solicitor General, office of, 985.
Thompson, Mr., 922.
Vickers-Maxim Ltd., strike at, 1764.
White phosphorous matches, 1616. Winding-up Act, 1548, 1616.
Dominion Lands and Parks.
Administration of, 2079.	"
Estimates, 817-850.
Forest protection, 838, 850, 2088, 3412. Homestead inspectors, 828, 832. Pre-emptions, payments on, 534.
Purchase of property, 2864.
Surveys. See that title.
Timber areas, 836.
Douglas, Mr. James (Strathcona)
Amherst barracks, 1433.
Banks, taxes payable by, 2176.
Canada Car and Foundry Company, 1078. Forest protection, 2087.
French-Canadian Battalion, 1373.
Killam, Alta., mail service, 1438.
Lands, western, survey of, 834.
Loans to farmers, 930.
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Officers, 1372.
Political patronage in, 1372.
Taxation of, apples, 1781.
Wetaskiwin settlers, grievances of, 2088. Drab, M ax, employment of, 1439.
Dredging. See Public Works.
Duchemin, H. P., payments to, 1161, 161.0. Dunvegan railway, 2081.
Dyes, shortage of, 3553.
Eastern Harbour dredging, 853.
East Gore mail service, 3353.
Economic and Development Commission, 1640, 2999, 3641.
Edmonton
Disturbances at, 8837.
Recruiting in, 3586.
Technical school, 649.
Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia railway, 2081, 3445.
Edwards, Mr. John W. (Prontenac)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 351.
War contracts, 352.
Enlistments by provinces, 360.
Churches and the war, 355.
Canada and Imperialism, 360.
The British Navy, 356.
Disloyal utterances in Quebec-Bourassa and Lavergne, 356.
Orangemen in army service, 359.
Army
Chaplains, 2171.
Enlistments, 360, 362, 3025.
Orangemen in, 359.
Bilingual question, the, 3747.
Hay contracts, 353.
Horses for war purposes, 353.
Immigration Department expenditure, 2109. Kingston harbour improvements, 3182. Lavergne, Lieut.-Col. Armand, 541. Penitentiaries Kingston, 2118, 2123, 2146.
Portsmouth, 541.	-
Prison reform, 2845.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2223. 2494.
Rifles, 3507, 3522.
Royal Military College, 362, 2172, 2831. Rural mail service, 2043.
Trade and commerce, 3018.
Transportation, ocean, 703.
Electoral lists, printing of, 3099.
Electricity, export of; 671.
Elevators, grain. See grain.
Elliot, Dr. H. H., employment of, 553. Employment. See Labour.
Estimates. See titles of departments and subjects.
Supplementary, 2646, 2798.
Esquimalt dockyards, 2889.
Ethier, Mr. Joseph A. C. (Two Mountains) Automobiles for Militia Department, 2544. Budget, 1269.
Taxation of profits, 1269.
Compulsory military service, 1272.
Farm help, 1272.
Political patronage in war time, 1273. Germans in the public service, 1274.
Mr. Edwards and the French-Canadians, 1275.
Canada, population of, 1277.
Civil Service messengers, 2743, 2765. Conscription, 1272.
Paquette, Edward, enlistment of, 2241, 2648.
Secretary of State Department, translators in, 3231.
Evans, A. A.,
Employment of, 1439.
Payments to, 1653,
Exchequer Court Act Amendment Bill, lr., 3404.	2r„ Com., 3502.	3r., 3502.
Exhibitions, 1429, 1432, 3026.
Experimental farms.. See agriculture. External Affairs, Department of, 1207.
Fallis, Mr., profits of, 1259.
Farmers
Compensation for destroyed cattle, 2957. Credits for, 1025, 1842, 2401.
Labourers, 1272, 1906.	'
Loans to, 463, 674, 681, 924-936, 1611, 3146.
See Bank Act Amendment Bill.
Relief to, 432, 760, 2860, 3938.
See Seed grain.
Rural credits. See credits.
Farmers Bank, 'depositors of, 544.
Farnham, Quebec
Experimental farm, 3407.
Military camp, 1164.
Federal Plan Commission, 1603, 3135, 3640. Fenian Raid bounty, 593, 3231.
Ferguson, Mr. T. R., employment of, 885. Fertilizers-Dogfish, 2404.
Field kitchens. See War Supplies. Fielding, P. M., employment of, 2175.
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Bonds, government, negotiability of, 660. Coin, American, 654.
Debt of Canada-interest, 654.
Department Estimates, 653.
Staff and salaries, 661.
Dominion notes, issue of, 1218. Expenditure of Canada, 807, 893, 1212, 1223, 1244-48, 2622, 3137, 4116.
Loans	*
Canadian Northern and Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Companies, 3345, 3563, 3648, 3826, 3933, 3943.
Dominion
Domestic war loan, 807, 811, 815, 891, 904, 1100.
$75,000,000, 1812, 1834, 1843, 1972, 2006, 2546. See also Public Service Loan Bill.
Farmers, to. See Farmers.
Recent government-$100,000,000, 659. War, 1023, 2546, 3233. See also War Appropriations Bill.
Munitions credit to Imperial Government, 1810. 1 Paper currency, issue of. 1834.
** Revenue of Canada, 807, 893, 948, 1212, 1244. See also Budget and Taxation.
Fish and Fisheries
Advisory Board, 2010, 2361, 2368, 2389. Bait, 2386.
Boats, liscensing of, 2409.
Bounties, 2546.
Canadian fish in England, 2741.
Canadian troops, for, 1652.
Canning factories, 2368.
Codfish, price of in Portugal, 3560. Department estimates, 2404, 2901.
Dogfish, reduction works, 2404.
Exhibit at Toronto, 2376.
Fisher, Mr. Ward, 2379.
Fishermen-medical treatment for, 2412. Fishing industry, 2363.
Guardians, 2394.
Gasolene, 2393.
Hatcheries, 2373.
Herring, 551, 2475, 3439.
Intercolonial railway, on, 2415.
Inspection, 3438.
Inspectors, 1078, 2392.
Lobsters
Close season for, 950, 2368, 2375, 2382, 2385, 2439, 4077.
Export of, 2547.
Extension of open season, 4077.
Size limit, 2369.
Marketing. See Transportation.
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Officers, 2379.
Overseer, appointment of, 535.
Patrol service, 2412, 2373.
Pickled fish, 1761.
Inspectors of, 2175.
Protection service, 2901.
Quebec, in province of, 638.
Robertson, Mr. A. C., 2379.
Salmon, 2394.
Shell Fisheries Commission, 2368. Shipments to Great Britain, 2411. Smelt-fishing regulations, 673.
Toronto exhibit, 2415.
Transportation and marketing of, 558, 582, 636, 2374, 2365.
Trawlers
Beam, bounty to, 760.	[DOT]
Steam, 640, 641.
Trout fry, 2421.
Fisheries Intelligence Bureau, 2411.
Fisheries Marine Biological Board of Canada, 3439. .
Fisher, Mr. Ward, employment of, 1078.
Flax industry, The, 1279.
Food-maple sugar, adulteration of, 2159. Forest protection. See Dominion Lands. Forest Reserves and Parks Act Amendment Bill, lr., 2495.	2r., 2663. Com., 2663.
3r., 2663.
Forget, Sir Rodolphe Kt. (Charlevoix and Montmorency)
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4020. Fortier, Mr. Edmond (Lotbiniere)
Quebec public works 3176.
Foster, Mr. A. De W., 949, 2175, 4075.
Foster, Hon. Sir George E; (Minister of Trade and Commerce)
Bilingual question, 3620, 3790.
Budget, 903.
The Balance of Trade, 903.
Domestic war loan, 904.
War expenditures, 905.
Capital expenditures, 906.
Political patronage, 907.
Government taxation proposals, 907. Taxation of incomes, 908.
The war and economic problems, 908. Future immigration, 910.
Outcome of the war, 910.
Lessons from the war, 913.
Canada Temperance Act, 3298.
Civil servants, enlistment of, 655. Davidson Commission, 3189.
Domestic war loan, 904.
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Grain
Administration of Act, 3189. Commissioners, 1603.
Congestion, 1706, 1971.
Oats and oatmeal, embargo on, 653, 854. Storage and shipment, 532. Transportation of, 2080, 3069.
Wheat, commandeering of, 544, 610, 3192, 3224.
Immigration, 910.
Political patronage, 907.
Railway Department estimates, 3056. Shipbuilding, 639, 3106-3134.
Small arms ammunition, 3943.
Speaker, election of, 1.
Steamship service, 2531-2542, 2847, 3134, 3554.
Taxation Incomes, 908.
Profits, 907.
Tonnage, shortage of, 3100-3134.
Trade and Commerce Commissioners and agents, 3023, 3551. Department estimates, 664, 3022, 3120, 3551.
Statement on, 2989, 3100.
Trade Commission, 4076.
Transportation, ocean, 638,	2858,	31003134.	.
West Indies-syrup shipments from, 1970. Fox river breakwater, 1761.
France, fighting in, 1118.
Fraserville-river store repairs, 535. Fredericton experimental farm. See Experimental farms.
Free Wheat. See Grain.
Freight rates. See Transportation and Railways.
French-Canadians
Alberta and Saskatchewan Battalion, 1373. Civil Service, in, 1176, 2006.
Enlistment of, 179, 1081, 3281.
Military service, in, 42, 51, 177.
Fripp, Mr. Alfred E. (Ottawa)
Cable and wireless rates, 672.
Galops canals, 6310.
Gasolene. See oils.
Gaspe
Anticosti and north shore mail service, 536. Bonaventure lighthouses, 536.
Campbellton steamship service, 536, 3100. Inspectors of weights and measures, 671. Maritime road, repairs to, 746.
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Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1486. Gauvreau, Mr. Chas. A. (Temiscouata)
Blue River M. & L. Company, 1076. Devenish, Mr., employment of, 638.
Dionne, vs. the King, 2743, 2924. Fraserville-river store repairs, 535. Intercolonial railway
Saving of life and property on, 3458. Train despatchers, 2691.
Lighthouse keepers retiring fund, 754. Louisville
Post office, 546, 1077-.
Postmaster, 2114.
PilQt, wreck of the, 106, 154.
Post Office Department-advertising, 1164, 2739.
Rimouski customs officer, 546.
Shell boxes, duty on, 2351, 2691. Temiscouata mail service, 2477. Victoriaville, P. Q.-Post Office Department advertising, 1164.
Geley, Aurele, employment of, 1759.
Georgian Bay Canal, 3182.
German-Canadians
Military service, in, 683.
Public Service, in, 1142, 1274.
German, Mr. William M. (Welland)
Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2467.
Shell boxes, 543.
Girard, Mr. Jos. (Chicoutimi and Saguenay) Agriculture, 1388.
Bilingual question, the, 3822. Experimental farms, 1389.
Mail contracts, 2721.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4042.
Glace bay
Harbour improvements, 3154.	.
Mail service, 533.
Glass, Mr. S. Francis (East Middlesex) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 277.
The war, 278.
War contracts, 279.
Liberal members and the war, 283. Canada's problems and prospects, 285. Animals, inspection of, 2960.
Flax industry, 1279.
Rural credits, 1842.
Shell contracts, 279.
Soldiers, insane, 1665.
Technical education, 1631, 2200.
Gobeil, Antoine, payments to, 1551.
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Acquisition of new lines, 1590.
Branch lines, purchase and operation of, 2789.
Divisions, 549.
Ferguson, Dr., employment of, 1042. Halifax terminals, 1597.
Intercolonial
Accident at Val Brilliant, 2058.
Branch lines, 2767, 3432.
Campbelltori superintendent, 535.
Cars, 757, 1705, 2347, 3091.
Chatham, N.B.	[DOT]
Local freight at, 1705.
Train service, 3394.
Coal
Alleged expropriation of, 1762.
Supply, 538, 2115, 2795, 3462.
Cold storage service, 2415.
Devenish, Mr., employment of, 638. Dining car service, 2379, 2420, 3093. Elevator, 3597.
Employees, 1040.
French-speaking, 2789.
From other railways, 3097.
Rates of pay, 2881, 3401.
Equipment, 2793, 3459, 3606.
Estimates, 2767-2798.
Fish on dining cars, 2415, 3093.
Freight	'	..
Congestion, 2742.
Rates
Coal, 548.
Forest products, 1652.
Lumber, 1435.
French-speaking employees, 2789. Halifax terminals, 2573.
Locomotives, 3067.
Lumber, rates on, 1435.
Management, 3092.
North Sydney terminals, 3425.
Operation, 1590, 2595, 2792, 3398.
Paradis, Mr. T., claim of, 2781. Passenger service, 3393, 3419.
Pay, rates of, 2881.
Pensions. See that title.
Pictou harbour bridge, 2785.
Pugwash spur line, 3024.
Return tickets for soldiers, 2646.
Rolling stock, 2799.
Sackville spur line, 3611.
Saving of life and property on, 3458.
Sleepers for, 549.
Train despatchers, 2691. Truro-Moncton section, 3352. Locomotives, lease of, 2546.
Rates on coal, 548.
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Small claims. See Government Railways Small Claims Act Amendment Bill. Steamers, charter of, 1076.
Government Railways Small Claims Act Amendment Bill. lr„ 1900, 2919.	2r.,
3303. Com., 3303. Rep., 3308. Amdt., 3308. Div., 3311.	3r„	3312. Sen.
Arndts., 3884, 4039.
Governor General
Speech, opening of Parliament, 4. Correction of press statement, 2443. Graham, Hon. Geo. P. (South Renfrew) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 491.
Extension of term of Parliament, 492. Canada Foundries and Forgings, 493. War contracts, 494.
Recruiting, 498.
Collection and disbursement of Patriotic and other funds, 500.
Naval defence, 502.
Unity of the Empire, 504.
Allied Economic Conference, 2802. Armstrong lake bridge, 2692.
Army
Barbour, Private, death of, 3417. Recruiting, 498.
159th Battalion, 1435, 2349.
Separation allowances, 2176, 2349. Bilhjgual question, the, 3785.
Brantford, corporation of, 1649, 1726. Bridges, construction of, 3164.
Budget, 1099.
Public expenditure, 1100, 1102.
Dominion loans, 1100.
The balance of trade, 1101.
Purchase of war supplies, 1102. Proposed taxation measures, 1103. United States and the war, 1108.
Results of the war, 1109.
Canadian Associated Press, 3638. Canadian Northern Railway Company-proposed loan to, 3574, 3649, 3827, 3962. Capital punishment, 1966.
Censoring of mail matter, 2054.
Civil Service
Appointments to, 642, 4091.
Auditor General, salary of, 567.	,
Commission, 664.
Deputy Ministers, salaries of, 983. Enlistments from, 656, 822.
Ministers, salaries of, 667.
Soldiers, appointments to, 642.
Dairying industry-rennet, 2966.
Dredge Port Nelson, 2690.
Dredging, 3186.
Federal Plan Commission, 3135.
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Graham, Hon. Geo. P. (South Renfrew)-Con. Forest protection, 2088.
Government railways-lease of locomotives, 2546.
Grain
Elevators, 3597.	,
Transportation of, 1309.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company- proposed loan to, 3574, 3649, 3827.
High Commissioner, Canadian-office of, 970,
Highways, 3164, 3168.
Horse raising, 2970.	.
House of Commons Saturday sittings, 3409.
Two o'clock sittings, 3295.
Hudson Bay Navigation-Anderson report, 636.
Hudson Bay railway, 543, 3376. Immigration
Expenditure, 2100.
Inspection, boundary, 656.
Intercolonial railway Branch lines, 2767.
Elevator, 3597.
Halifax terminals, 2573.
Lindsay, J. T., 2349.
Loans, Dominion, 1100, 2006, 2546.
Lumber, rates on, 548.
Marine
Harbour improvements, 74L Prescott depot, 724.
Wreck of the Mayflower, 727.
McNab, C. C„ claim of, 4074.
Medical instruction, 978.
Mines Department expenditure, 2326. Montreal postal service, 2037.
Morrisburg, free entry of goods at, 3644. Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal Company, 3374.
Munitions Works Commission, 2841. National Transcontinental Railway Government operation, 2569, 3038. Quebec terminals, 2569, 2584.
Rates on lumber, 548.
North Bay armoury, 2691.
Oil, freight rates on, 3411.
Ontario Niagara Connecting Bridge Company, 1648.
Paris agency, 982.
Patriotic funds, 500.
Prison reform, 2842.
Port Nelson
Dock accommodation, 2692.
Harbour improvements, 2838.
Live stock for, 2692.
. Post Office Department, administration of, 2035.
Postage stamps, sale and use of, 2051.
Graham, Hon. Geo. P. (South Renfrew)-Con. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2356, 2699, 2946.	-
Public works expenditure, 2826.
Quebec and Saguenay railway, 3146, 3431. Quebec bridge, 3435.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 3616, 3995, 4010.
Railway Commissioners, 3411.
Railways
Department estimates, 3054.
Fires caused by, 3412.
Location of, 2744.
Oil for fuel on, 977.
Situation in Canada-inquiry into, 3982. Subsidies to, 3445.
Royal Military College, 2831, 3881. Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of, 4091.
Taxation Land, 2000.
Oil, 1803, 2303.
Profits, 1103, 1854, 1978, 1991, 200, 2640. Toronto
Harbour improvements, 3338.
Post office, 2836.
Railway terminals, 3414.
Trade and Commerce, 3021.
Transcona railway shops, lease of, 6vJ6. Transportation, ocean-harbour facilities, 741.
Trent canal, 2575.
Naval policy, 502.
Parliament, extension of term of, 492. War
Appropriations, 3284.
Munitions, manufacture of, 493.
Shell contracts, 494.
Supplies, orders for, 970.
United States contracts, 495. Water-powers, ownership of, 556, 766. Welland canal, 3455.
Yukon, the, 1309, 1318.
Grain
Administration of Act, 3189.
Amendment Bill. lr., 1603.	2r.,	17.06.
Com., 1706, 1971. 3r., 1971.
Calgary elevator charges, 1609.
Canada Grain Act Amendment. See that title.
Commissioners, 1603, 3191.
Congestion in the West, 3882. See also Canada Grain Act Amendment Bill. Corn, freight rates on, 2963. felevators, 920, 3084, 3190, 3594, 3597, 3604. Alberta-petitions from, 2693.
Calgary, 532, 3223.
Quebec, 3058.
St. John, 3060, 3593.
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Freight rates on, 2795, 3058-3089, 3601-3604. National Transcontinental railway freight rates, 2795.
Oats and oatmeal, embargo on, 803, 854, 653.
Shipments on National Transcontinental railway, 1276.
Storage and shipment, 532.
Transportation of, 1207, 1306, 2857, 30693089, 3601, 3456, 3981.
Wheat
Commandeering of, 20, 23, 156, 168, 445452, 458-461, 544, 1278, 1434, 1609, 3192. Free, 33, 793, 802, 856-884, 1046-1096. Marketing of, 917.
New Zealand purchases, 1278, 1438. Storage of, 428, 445-452.
Winnipeg and Minneapolis prices, 857. Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company. Audit of revenues and expenditures, 3989. Lease of by the Government, 1594.
Loan to, proposed, 3345, 3563, 3648, 3826, 3933, 3943.
Subsidies and guarantees, 1042.
Transcona terminals, 1595.
Gratuities to public servants, 3535.
Green, Mr. Robert F. (Kootenay)
Mining industry, 1873.
Pacific Northern and Omineea Railway Company, 1013.
Taxation
Apples, 1773, 2307.
Mining companies, 1373.
Western Canada Telephone Company, 1889. Zinc, bounties on, 3033.
Guest, Mr. S. M., employment of, 885. Guthrie, Mr. Hugh (South Wellington)
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2356, 2481, 2563, 2952.
Taxation of profits, 1896.
Guysborough
Branch railway, 850.
Mail service, 2800.
Haanel, Dr., employment of, 851.
Half Moon fog alarm, 593.
Halifax
Coal shipments from, 1759.
Customs officers and revenue, 2169. Exports and imports through, 3734. Military hospital, 2114.
Ocean terminals, 885.
Postmaster, 2033.
Post office, 1651.
Railway terminals, 1597.
Ham, Mrs. Berlington, employment of, 949.
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Hanover public building, 1439.
Hansard. See House of Commons.
Harbours. See Public works.
Hartt, Mr. Thomas A. (Charlotte, N.B.) Naval Service Department-travelling expenses, 2300.
Hayes, Joseph, charges against 306, 400.
Hazen, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)
Address in reply to Governor General's. Speech, 134.
Mobilization of Canadian troops, 184. Ocean shipping conditions, 185-192. Lumber export trade, 490.	j
The Shell Committee, 193.	,f
Shell contracts, 194-200.
Purchase of submarines, 200-211. Soldiers' pensions, 211-215.
Extension of term of Parliament, 215. Shell inspection and political patronage, 217.
Agriculture
Animals, health ofi 1430, 2957.
Cold storage, 1427.
Department estimates, 661, 2956-2971. Eggs, marketing of, 2961.
Experimental farms, 1402.
Hay, 2963.
Hogs, government inspection of, 1606. Potato inspectors, 1398, 1415.
Apple duty-government official on, 1426. Aviation, 2898.
Canadian Law Library in London, 987. Coal mining, government control of, 719. Crosby, A. B.-hire of steamer, 727. Dairying industry, 1420.
Deputy ministers, salaries of, 983. Exhibitions, 1429.
Fish and fisheries	1
Advisory Board, 2389.
Boats, licensing of, 2409.
Department estimates, 2404, 2901.
Dogfish, 2404.
Gasolene, 2393.
Hatcheries, 2373.
Herring, 551, 3439.
Inspection, 3438.
Intercolonial railway, on, 2416.
Lobsters, 2376, 2389, 2441, 4077.
Officers, 2381.
Patrol service, 2373.
Protection service, 2901.
Shipments to Great Britain, 2412. Transportation, 2374, 2416.
Flax industry, 1295.
Harbour Commission, organization of, 740, 742.
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Hay contracts, 1424.
Health, public, suggested department of, 1172.
Heidman, Gustav, 681.
Horses for war purposes, 2969.
Hospitals, marine, 3437.
Hudson Bay navigation, 2908.
Live stock inspection, 716.
Lumber, export trade, 190.
Marine
Coasting privileges, 700.
Coast service, 723-728.
Department estimates, 2361, 3436. Government steamers, 693, 727, 751. Harbour improvements, 729, 741. Hospitals, 752, 3437.
Hudson Bay-Anderson report, 726.
Ice breaking, 723, 743.
Life-saving, 726, 2916.
Lighthouse keepers retiring fund, 754. Lighthouses
Maintenance and repairs, 728.
Salaries and allowances, 725.
Supplies, 728.
Masters and Mates, examination of, 694. Motor boats, 2346, 2802.
Navigation Aids to, 728.
Obstructions to, 715.
Pilotage, 2542, 2804.
Pensions, 747, 750.
- Schools, 695.
Ocean Transportation, 185, 740, 1681. Prescott depot, 724.
St. John harbour improvements, 729.
St. Lawrence ship channel, 719. Shipbuilding, 701, 2896.
Shipping conditions, 701. See also Transportation.
Sick Mariners Fund, 753.
Wrecks
Investigations into, 695.
Mayflower, 727.
Wrecking plants, 716.
Naval service, 1671.
Department estimates, 662, 2885, 2908, 3442.
Recruits for, 2947.
New Brunswick-lumber exports, 190. Noreen, steamer, hire of, 727.
Owen, James W„ patent of, 1157, 1159. Parliament, extension of, term of, 111, 215. Patent rights, extension of, 1158.
Pensions Pilots, 747-750.
Soldiers, 211-215, 4131.
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Pictou-handling of freight and coal at, 953.
Political patronage, 217.
Prince Edward Island ferry service, 954, 1704.
Radiotelegraph service, 2908.
St. John post office, 2039.
St. John and Quebec railway, 3365.
Sealers, British Columbia, claims of, 595. Shell Committee, The, 193.
Shell contracts, 194, 805.
Shipbuilding. See Marine.
Stefansson expedition, 2914.
Submarines, 200, 2897.
Surveys, hydrographic, 2901. Transportation, ocean, 185, 1681. Vancouver Harbour Commission, 1604, 2078.
Vessels, commandeering of, 1608.
West Indies-syrup shipments from, 1762, 1809.
Wireless telegraph stations, 2909, 2913. Health, Public, proposed department of, 1065. Heidman, Gustav, 681.
Hepburn, Mr. B. R., (Prince Edward, Ont.) Shell contracts, 155.
High Commissioner, Canadian, office of, 664, 667, 956.
Highways, 3164, 3168.
Hjort, Dr., employment of, 1552.
Hog cholera. See agriculture.
Homesteads.
Entries by volunteers, 3529.
Inspectors, 828, 832. .
Purchases, collections on, 3463, See also Dominion Lands.
Horses. See Agriculture and War supplies. Hospitals
Marine, 752, 2918, 3437.
Military, 2114, 3236.
House of Commons Business of the House
Ash Wednesday adjournment, 1329. Easter adjournment, 2925.
Government orders, 2303.
Morning sittings, 2111, 2925.
Notices on order paper, precedence of, 1908.
Saturday sittings, 3409.
Two o'clock sittings, 3294.
Wednesday sittings, 1208.
Chairman of Committees Appointment of, 531.
Rulings of. See Deputy Speaker.
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Committees Debates, 3143.
Internal Economy, 38.
Library of Parliament, 151.
Printing of Parliament, 151, 3875. Public Accounts, 2973.
Restaurant of Parliament, 161.
Select Standing, 5, 148.
Decease of members, 22.
Deputy Speaker, appointment of, 531. Electoral lists, printing of, 3099. Fraudulent questions, 1492.
Hansard-alleged omissions from, 2647, 2840, 3188.
Mace, the, 762.
Members	,
Decease of, 22.
Military activities of, See Army.
New, 1.
Officials, appointment of Assistant clerk Orders and Records, 4079. Aubrey, Napoleon, 2300.
Chief of Committee Reporters, 4131. Clerk, assistant, 884.
Clerk Votes and Proceedings, 755. Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms, 77.
Editor of Debates, 4131.
Horton, Mr. Albert, transfer of to Senate Staff, 4127.
Library Accountant, 4152.
Reading room, 1706.
Reporting Branch, changes in, 2398, 4127, 4131.
Sessional clerks, 2799.
Speaker, election of, 1.
Vacancies
Bellechase, 3618.
Lincoln, 3404, 3410.
Restigouche, 3404, 3410.
Yarmouth, 3942.
See Parliament.
Hudson Bay navigation, 636, 726, 2908. Hudson Bay railway
Construction, 138, 543, 636, 1598, 3375. Government operations of, 3989.
Terminals, 636, 3375.
Hughes, Mr. James J. (King's, P.E.I.) Annandale buoys, 1808.
Army
Canadian forces, reorganization of, 2015. First contingent, transportation of, 2693. Mullock, Major T. A., 2300.
Officers Medical, 1905.
Unattached, in England, 1377. Parliament, members of in, 949, 1328, 1550.
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Troops, local, supplies for, 552.
Budget, 1118.
Public expenditures compared, 1119. Patriotic spirit of the people, 1125. Purchase of war supplies, 1122. Censoring of mail matter, 2880.
Coal mining, government control of, 718. Charlottetown-Public works employees, at, 2799.
Coasting privileges, 699.	s
Experimental farms, 1409, 1411.
Exports to United States, 2057.
Fielding, P. M., 2175.
Fish and fisheries Herring fishery investigation, 551. Inspectors, 2010, 2175.	.
Intercolonial railway, on, 3093.
Foreman, Dr. N. O., 2174.
Government railways-small claims, 1900, 3303-05.
Horses
Exportation of prohibited, 1329.
French Government, for, 950.
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Members of in military service, 1328. Reading room, 1706.
Hudson Bay navigation, 2911,
Imports from United States, 2057. Intercolonial railway Car shortage, 3091.
Dining cars-fish on, 3093.
Labour bureaus, national, 620.
Little Sands Breakwater, 2175.
Wharf, 3154.
Navigation schools, 696.
Necklaces-duty on, 641, 758, 1329. Parliament, Members of in military service, 949, 1150.	.
Political patronage, 3261.
Potatoes
Duty on, 1430.
Export of, 1059.
Inspection of, 1418.
Powdery scab, 1418.
Shipping regulations, 1414.
Powder milk. See War Supplies.
Prince Edward Island
Car ferry service, 954, 1704, 3391. Dredging, 853.
Hillsborough bridge, guard on, 1433. Horses, purchases of in, 672.
Judicial vacancies, 924.
Public works, 3152.
Steamship service, 536, 2850.
Telegraph and telephone lines, 3187.
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War supplies purchased in, 3406.
Winter communication with, 1433. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1949, 2235, 2558, 2697, 2758, 2955.
Riverside Lumber Company, 2058.
Ships, purchase of for war purposes, 673. Souris rifle range, 2600.
Summerside
Post office building, 2010.	.
Rifle range, 2010.
Taxation
Pearls and diamonds, 641, 758, 1329. Profits, 1852.
War
Appropriations, 3261.
Supplies Hay, 2963.
Horses, 542, 652, 653, 672, 759, 1041, 1124, 1380, 1383.
Political patronage in purchase of, 3261.
Powder milk, 850, 1043, 1053, 2175, 3262. Prince Edward Island purchases, 3406. Rifles, 1328, 3506.
Shells, 1123.
* Shovels, 156, 1123.
Wheat, free, 1058.
Hughes, Major-General Sir Sam (Minister of Militia and Defence)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 287.
Mobilization of Canadian troops, 288, 302. Militia officers in Canada, 288, 299. Machine guns, 289.
Training of officers, 289.
Purchase of pistols, 290.
Col. J. Wesley Allison, 290.
Location of Canadian troops, 291. Recruiting, 292.
The Ross rifle, 292.
Shell contractors, 293.
Militia Appointments, 294.
The Shell Committee, 295, 303.
Shell manufacture, 295-302.
The press and the war, 303.
Aitken, Sir Max, duties of, 534.
Allison, Col. J. Wesley, 1343, 1345, 1355.
See also Shell Contracts.
Allowances, separation and subsistence, 551.
Bands, regimental, 1044.
Berlin, Ont., disturbances at, 855. Campbellton, disturbances at, 855. Canadian troops in action, 889.
Civil Servants, enlistment of, 1045.
Currie, General, at St. Julien, 2351.
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Currie, Lieut.-Colonel John, M.P., 1045. Edmonton, alleged disturbances at, 888. Field kitchens, 547.
France, fighting in, 1118.	.
Fuses, 1345, 2979. See Shell contracts. German-Canadians in military service, 684. Horses, purchase of, 542, 685, 1378. Inspectors of munitions, 544.
Lavergne, Lieut.-Col. Armand, 541. Lessard, Major-General, position of, 547. 670.
Machine guns, 289, 532.
Medical examiners, 1349.
Medical officers-Black, Dr. J. B., 1369. Militia
Appointments, 293.
Estimates, 1341.
Officers in Canada, 288.	,
Mobilization of troops, 288, 302.
Motor trucks, 1345, 1358, 2978.
Officers
Training of, 289.
Unattached, in England, 1377.
Pistols, purchase of, 290, 1343, 1346, 2977. Political patronage in war contracts, 1351, 1361.
Recruiting
Coloured men, of, 557.
Officers, 1350.
System, 292.
Ross rifle, 292, 1347, 1359.
Shell Committee, The, 295, 303.
Shell contracts, 295-302, 2974, 2979.
Shovel shields, 1347.
Small arms ammunition-sale of, 3902. Soldiers
Employment of in England, 1372. Enrolment of by districts, 1350. Equipment, private subscriptions for, 590.
Payment of, 553.
Riots, alleged participation in, 803, 855. Southern rifle deal, 2981.
Thompson, Mr., 922.
Troops, local, supplies for, 552.
War contracts, 1342, 1351, 1361.
Wellington Barracks School, 558. Woodmen's Regiment, 117.
Huntingdon preventive stations, 641. Ice-breaking. See Marine.
Immigration Advertising, 2436r Agencies, 1440, 2096, 2435.
Austrian and German, 547.
Boston agent, 593.
Chinese, 2441.
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Immigration-Con.
Co-operation of British Government in, 1164.
Department expenditure, 1245, 2606, 2628. Dominion and provincial government cooperation in, 1277, 1904.
Future, 910.
Inspection, boundary, 656.
Jewish, 1080, 1083.
Newfoundland, from-regulations affecting, 2441.
Stations, western, 2869.
Statistics, 540, 1436, 2093.
Widows and children, 1330.
Illustration stations. See Agriculture. Imperial Munitions Board, 594, 923, 1509. Indians
British Columbia, 2681, 2866.
British Columbia Indian Commission, 852. Department clerks, 2800.
Education of, 2690.
Enlisted, status of, 3407.
Kitsilano reserve, 1652, 2681.
New Brunswick, 2674.
Nova Scotia, 2666.
Okanagan reserve, 3144, 3676.
Ontario, 2665.
Prince Edward Island, 2681.
Quebec, 2665.
St. Peter's reserve, 593, 2316.
See also St. Peter's Indian Reserve Bill. Indian Land Commission, 2867, 2057.
Ingonish harbour, ice breaking in, 2421.
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Inland Revenue Department
Appointments, 2175.
Clerks, 2544!
Estimates, 661, 2157.
Officials of in municipal elections, 1759. Insurance Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1548. Insurance Companies Extension Bill. Res., 685. lr., 686.	2r., 937. Ref. to Com.,
938. Com., 1610.	3r., 1714.
See also Life Insurance.
Intercolonial railway. See Government railways.
Interior Department
Enlistments from, 833, 2084, 2092. Estimates, 655, 817-850, 938, 1309, 2079, 2428, 2665, 2860.
Expenditure, 895, 2079, 2086, 2090, 2095, 2431, 2435, 2607.
Minister of in Chicago, 756, 829.
Orders in Council approved, 3347. Promotions, 836.
Salaries, 655, 817, 2079.
Surveys. See that title.
International bridge-guarding of, 1041.
International Joint Commission, 979. International Nickel Company, 1867.
Inverness
Mail service, 2718.
Post office, 1550.
Public works expenditures, 853.
Irrigation
Staff and salaries, 843.
Works, 842.
See Taber Irrigation District Bill.
James, Mr. C. C,-question of appointment, 2477.
Jameson, Mr. Clarence (Digby)
Canadian Northern Railway-subsidies and guarantees, 1042.
Digby Gap submarine bell, 1276.
Fish, transportation and marketing of, 558.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway-subsidies and guarantees, 1042.
Lighthouse Board, 1078.
Joliette
Government offices, 3562.
Post office, 3561.
Jewish people, The, 1242.
Jews
Enlistment of, 1550.
Judges Act Amendment Bill. Res., 2071. lr., 2078. 2r„ 2319. Com., 2319. 3r„ 2326. Justice
Canadian Law Library in London, 987. Department Clerks, 2801.
Estimates, 983-989, 2115, 2157.
Staff and salaries, 983.
Indeterminate sentences, 2844.
Judges
Montreal, 2301.
Nova Scotia, 685.
Quebec, 2692.
Salaries, 2071, 2319.
Judicial vacancies, 924.
Provincial legislation, reports on, 988. Solicitor General, office of, 985, 1076.
See also Penitentiaries.
Kastella, A., employment of, 1549.
Kay, Mr. William T. (Missisquoi)
British Remount Commission, 2799. Censored mail matter, 3029.
Farnham Military Camp, 1164.
Hay, 2694.
Horses, 542, 671, 1326, 2057.
Keay, R. H., fraudulent operations of, 836. Kemp, Hon. A. E. (East Toronto)
Canadian fish in England, 2741.
Canadian forces, reorganization of, 2016. Casualty lists, 2841.
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War supplies Clothing-, 3592.
Kits, 1810, 2167.
Small arms ammunition, 2881.
Winnipeg, disturbances at, 2548.
206th Battalion, 2167.
Killam, Alberta, mail service, 1438.
Kingston
Harbour improvements, 3182.
Penitentiary. See Penitentiaries.
Kitsilano Indian reserve. See Indians.
Knowles, Mr. William E. (Moosejaw) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 423.
Political partyism, 424.
Extension of term of Parliament, 425. Spirit of Canadian soldiers, 426.
Storage and transportation of wheat, 428.
United States and the war, 427. Commandeering of wheat, 429.
Seed grain indebtedness, 432.
Problem of production, 435.
Agriculture-illustration plots, 1397, 1400. Bilingual question, the, 3618.
Canadian Northern Railway Company- . proposed loan to, 3933.
Fair wage clause in munition contracts, 1969.
Government railways-small claims, 3309. Grain
Congestion, 1708.
Freight rates on, 3058, 3065.
Gratuities to public servants, 3536. Machine guns, 2542.
Moosejaw customs office, 2171.
Parliament, extension of term of, 425. Public works expenditure, 3315. Saskatchewan judges' salaries, 2075. Saskatchewan river water supply, 3189. Seed grain indebtedness, 432, 505, 517, 1607. Soldiers, punishment of, 3051, 3099, 3537. Taxation Apples, 1770.
Land, 3934, 3941.
Wheat, commandeering of, 156, 428.
Kyte, Mr. George W. (Richmond, N.S.) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 138.
Nova Scotia's contributions to war, 138. Necessity for economy, 138.
Government expenditure, 139.
Hudson Bay railway, 138.
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The Shell Committee, 140.
Appointment of shell inspectors, 143. Political patronage in army service, 145. Allison, Colonel J. Wesley, 2276. See also shell contracts.
Black, Dr. J. B., 1368.
Civil Service, enlistments, from, 823. Crosby, A. B.-hire of steamer, 727.
Curry, Private D., death of, 2987, 3049. Day, Colonel F.P., 2920, 3028.
Fisher, Mr. Ward, 2379, 2389.
Fishery inspector Fisher, 1078.
Fish and fisheries
Advisory Board, 2010.
Lobsters, 2379.	.
Officers, 2379, 2389.
Glace Bay harbour improvements, 3152. Gobeil, Antoine, 1551.
House of Commons-Saturday sittings, 3409.
Hudson Bay railway, 138.
Indians, 2667.
Intercolonial railway-passenger service, 3426.
Loans to farmers, 934.
Morrisburg, Ont., militia office, 1078. Noreen, steamer, hire of, 727.
Nova Scotia-its contributions to war, 138. Political patronage in army service, 145, 1366.
Railway mail service, 2025.
Recruiting, 1367.
Robertson, Mr. A. C., 2379.
Rural mail service, 2020.
Schooner Two Brothers, 533.
Shelburne
Customs duties, 1762.
Imports, 1276.
Shell Committee, The, 140.
Spiddel, Rey. J. A., 3097.
Technical education, 2206.
War
Expenditure, 138.
Recruiting of officers, 145.
Shells, inspectors of, 143.
War supplies Fuses, 2274.
Machine guns, 2275.
Pistols, 2276.
Rifles, 2286.
Shell contracts, 2259, 2264, 3296.
Wheat, commandeering of, 544.
Woman suffrage, 1189.
L'Assomption
Mail service, 3881.
Wharf, 2174.
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Aliens, interned, farm labourers, as, 2469. Department
Estimates, 3555.
Expenditure, 1226.
Employment bureaus, national, 597.
Pair wage boards, 1277.
Fair wage clause in munition contracts, 1969, 3555, 3662.
Labourers
Farmers, for, 1906, 2469.
Foreign, enlistment of, 3145.
Importation of into British Columbia, 1329.
Munitions factories, in, 2549. Unemployment, 535, 595.
Vickers-Maxim, Ltd., strike at, 1079, 1763. Lachance, Mr. Arthur (Quebec Centre) Boucher, Dr., 1550.
Daigle, Zepherin, 2922.
Montreal Immigration agent, 1440.
Quebec Harbour Commission, 2347. Lafortune, Mr. David A. (Montcalm) Penitentiaries, 2156.
Lalor, Mr. Francis R. (Haldimand)
Taxation of profits, 1852.
Lamarche, Mr. Paul E. (Nicolet)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 467.
Canada in the war, 468.	-
Attitude of Messrs. Bourassa and La-vergne, 468.
Principles of the Nationalists, 471.
The naval policy, 471.
Le Devoir newspaper, 474.
Aspirations of French-Canadian people, 475.
Extension of term of Parliament, 475. Bilingual question, the, 3758.	[DOT]
Ogilvie, Major G., R.C.A., 1162.
Renfrew wool contracts, 1436.
Lanctot, Mr. Roch (Baprairie-Napierville) Budget, 1035.
War expenditure, 1035, 1036, 1038. Canada's contributions to war, 1035. French-Canadians and the war, 1036.
Mr. Patenaude's speech, 1037. Expenditure and taxation, 1038. Purchases of hay, 1039.
Chaplains, Roman Catholic, 3097.
Foster, Mr. A. de Witt, 949.
Hay, purchase of, 1039, 2964.
'Laprairie protection wall, 3164.
Lopassey, Major de, employment of, 1163. Quebec highways, 3164.
Recruiting, 3530.
Solicitor General's office fittings, 1076.
Lanctot, Mr. Roch (Laprairie-Napierville)- Con.
Taxation of profits, 1038.
War appropriations, 3530.
Lands. See Dominion.
Lapointe, Mr. Ernest (Kamouraska)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 377.
The war, 378.
Bourassa and Lavergne, 379.
Utterances of Cabinet Ministers, 381. War contracts, 384.	*
Agriculture, 1394.
Agriculture Department-employees with diplomas, 2176.
Bilingual question, 1810, 3618, 3676, 3678. Nationalism-Bourassa and Lavergne, 379. Ottawa Separate School Commission, 2456. Riviere Ouelle wharf, 1164.
War contracts, 384.
Lapointe, Mr. Louis A. (Montreal, St. James) Savings deposits, rate of interest on, 543.
Laprairie protection works, 3164.
Lareau, J. E., employment of, 950.
Lasoski, Max, government employment of, 949.
Laurier, Rt. Hon. Sir Wilfrid (East Quebec) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 16.
Progress of the war, 16.
Attitude of Canadian people, 17.
The nationalist party, 17.
Canada's interest in the war, 18. Conscription, 19.
Rigid economy necessary, 20. Commandeering of wheat, 20.
Battle of St. Julien-commemoration of, 3028.
Bilingual question, 2974, 3619, 3697.	.
Business Profits War Tax Act, administration of, 3639.
Censoring of mail matter, 2691.
Chairman of Committee Appointment of, 532.
Ruling of, 2453.
Conscription, 19.
Davidson Commission, 4006.
Dyes, shortage of, 3553.
Economic and Development Commission, 3642.	.
Federal Plan Commission, 3641.
Fuses, 1502.
Governor General-correction of press statement, 2496.
Gratuities to public servants, 3535.
High Commissioner, Canadian, 962.
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House of Commons
Business of the House, 1208.
Hansard, alleged omission from, 2647, 2840.
Morning sittings, 2112, 2925.
Two o'clock sittings, 3294.
Immigration
Co-operation of British Government in 1164.
Dominion and provincial co-operation in, 1277, 1904.
Imperial Munitions Board, 804.
Insurance companies, life, investments of, 2399.
Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 688.
National Battlefields Commission, 3148.
Nickel, exportation of, 2166.
Parliament, extension of term of, 629, 3943.
Parliament Buildings
Destruction of, 581.
Reconstruction of, 591, 2013, 3050.
Pilotage, 2805.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4004, 4036, 4040.
Quebec sewerage system, 3557.
Rainbow, alleged capture by, 3943.
St. Amour, A. C., 3408.
St. Peter's Indian reserve, 2070.
Saskatchewan judges' salaries, 2073.
Sealers of British Columbia, claims of, 595.
Shell Committee, The, 923.
Shell contracts, proposed investigation, 1495, 2351, 2519, 2984.
Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of, 4084.
Small arms ammunition, 3898, 3943.
Soldiers' equipment, private subscriptions for, 590.
Soulanges Canal employees-charges of partisanship, 3231.
Speaker, election of, 2.
Taxation of profits, 1847.
Trade and commerce, 3006.
Tupper, the late Right Hon. Sir Charles, Bart, 584.
Valcartier expropriations, 1300.
Vancouver Harbour Commissioners, 2078.
West Indies-syrup shipments from, 1762, 1970.
Wheat, commandeering of, 20, 1434, 1609, 3197.
Winnipeg, disturbances at, 2548.
Winnipeg Telegram-statements in, 2973.
Lavallee, Mr. J. O. (Bellechasse)
Talbot, Lieut.-Col. Onesiphore, 1325.
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Law, Mr. Bowman B. (Yarmouth)
Bateman, Captain John, employment of, 545.
Blades, Captain Charles, employment of,
545.
Cape Negro Island lighthouse, 544.
Fish, transportation and marketing of, 571.
Half Moon fog alarm, 593.
Immigration officer at Boston, 593. Intercolonial railwayx-coal supply, 539. Nova Seotia, western, fishery inspector,
546.
Ross, Captain William, employment of, 545.
Shelburne
Bell buoy, application for, 543.
Fishery guardian, 545.
Mail service, 594.	..
Port physician, 543.
Steamer Starling, 544.
Yarmouth Dredging, 550.
Public works, 550.
Law, The late B. B., M.P., Death of, 590. Legion of Frontiersmen, 3507.
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe (Rouville)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 47.
The Liberal Party and the war, 47. Opposition's right to criticise, 48.
Our soldiers at the front, 48.
Common defence of the Empire, 49. Britain's true glory, 49.
War against militarism, 50.
Unity of French and English in Canada, 50.
Traditional policy of Roman Catholic Church, 57.
Recruiting in Quebec, 51.
Government expenditures, 52.
Economy and retrenchment, 53. Problems after the war, 54.
Technical education, 55.
Canada in Imperial affairs, 55. Advertising, government, 2299.
Aliens, supervision of, 691.
Anse a. Beaufils breakwater, 3623.
Bands, regimental, 1044.
Beland, Dr., payment of sessional indemnity to, 3873.
Bilingual question, the, 3715.
Budget, 1143.
Canada's part in the war, 1144.
United States and the war, 1145. Achievements of the British Navy, 1145.
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Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe (Rouville)-Con. Budget-Con.
British aristocracy and French democracy in the war, 1146.
Partyism in war time, 1147.
Public .expenditures compared, 1147.
Civil service appointments, 1148, 1149. Departmental appointments and expenditures, 1148.
Tariff policies-reciprocity, 1157.
The government's taxation proposals, 1153.
Britain and France and the war, 1154. Cadet service, 3503.
Canadian Northern Railway Company- proposed loan to, 3586, 3655.
Carkner, W. Lloyd, employment of, 1163. Censoring of mail matter, 2840.
Censors in Rimouski, 851.
Chandler wharf, 3162.
Civil Service
Appointments, 1148, 1149.
Enlistments, 819.
Soldiers in, 1276.
Cost of Living Commission, 852.
Customs officers and revenue, 2169. Divorce, 771.
Dredging, 3186.
Electoral lists, printing of, 3099.
Farmers Bank, depositors of, 544.
Federal Plan Commission, 3136.
Forest protection, 850.
Fox river breakwater, 1761. French-Canadians, enlistment of, 3281. Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company- proposed loan to, 3586, 3655.
House of Commons Officials, 2475.
Vacancies, 3618.
Indians, 2665.
Intercolonial railway
Car shortage, 1705, 2347.
Freight service, 2543.
Paradis, Mr. T., claim of, 2781.
Inland Revenue Department officers, 2158. Judges' salaries, 2319.
Labour bureaus, national, 597.
La Patrie, payments to, 2299. L'Evenement, payments to, 2298.
Loans-Dominion, $75,0(f0,000, 1817. Magdalen islands steamship service, 3352. Mines, former Minister of-travelling expenses, 2336.
Montreal Island, bridge connection with, 3163, 3628.
Monument of His late Majesty King Edward Vn, 3324.
163rd Battalion, 4152.
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe (Rouville)-Con. Ottawa
Buildings, height of, 2165.
Departmental buildings, 2875.
Parliament Buildings, destruction of-alleged warning, 674.
Peat experiments, 2327.
Penitentiaries, 2144.
Pensions to soldiers, 4140.
Post office
Censoring of mail matter, 2840. Employees, 1651, 2010.
Parcel post, 2737.
Revenues, 1651.
Salaries, 1651.
Printing-proposed reduction in cost, 4154. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2491. Pulp industry-shortage of vessels, 638. Quebec
Judicial vacancies, 924.
Post office, 547, 672.
Recruiting in, 51, 3281.
Sewerage system, 3557.
Steamship service, 2852.
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, 2475, 2530, 3431.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4024, 4046, 4122.
Rainbow, alleged capture by, 3297. Recruiting in Quebec, 51, 3281.
Roman Catholic church-traditional policy of, 57.
Royal Society of Canada, 2875.
St. Bernard-St. Maxime mail service, 3560. Soldiers
Civil Service, in, 1276.
Disabled, provision for, 2873.
Steamship service, 3554.
Taxation of profits, 1336.
Technical education, 55, 535, 2177, 2209. Trade Commission, 4076.
War
Appropriations, 3281.
Supplies Kits, 1809.
Ross rifle, 4108.
Lesperance, Mr. David O. (Montmagny) Bilingual question, the, 3811.
Pilotage, 2805.
Lessard, Major-General, position of, 547, 670. Lethbridge
Immigration agent, 2695.
Internment camp supplies, 2011.
Post office, 2800.
Levis
Drill hall, 2173.
Military property, lease of, 2922. Quarantine station, 2011, 3352.
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Life Insurance Companies Investment Bill.
lr., 885. 2r„ 1611. Ref. to Com., 1615. Com., 2399.	3r„ 2802.
Life saving. See Marine.'
Little Sands
Breakwater, 2175.
Wharf, 3154.
Live stock. See Agriculture.
Loans. See Finance.
Loggie, Mr. Wm. S. (Northumberland, N.B.) Budget, 1126.
Parliament Buildings fire, 1126.
Political patronage, 1127.
Taxation of profits, 1127.
The Minister of Trade and Commerce and political partyism, 1129.
Canada Temperance Act, 3300.
Chatham, N.B.
Local freight at, 1705.	"
Train service, 3394.
Commissions, granting of, 3519.
Derby Junction railway improvements, 3393.
Dyes, shortage of, 3553.
Fish and fisheries
Canning factories, 2368.
Codfish, price of in Portugal, 3560. Transportation and marketing of, 576. Lobsters, 2368, 2383, 2391, 2547, 3441. Government railways, purchase and operation of, 2789.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4121.
St. John Daily Telegraph-statement of, 213.
Shipbuilding, 3130.
Taxation Apples, 1780.
Profits, 1127, 1338, 1849, 1859, 1891-1898, 1972, 1980, 1983, 1988, 2001.
Lopassey, Major De, employment of, 1163.
Lotbiniere and Megantic railway. See Quebec Railways Acquisition Bill.
Louisburg
Censors and decoders at, 1808.
Post office, 546, 1077.
Postmaster, 2114.
Lumber
Export trade, 190.
Freight rates, 1435.
Shipments, 1681, 1682.
Lunenburg county mail service, 3942.
Lyons, John, employment of, 3881.	'
Macdonald, Archibald, payments to, 2694.
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Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 218.
Canada and the war, 218.
Political patronage in war expenditures,
220.
Shell contracts, 221-225.
Cabinet ministers and the war, 226. Naval policy, 228-232.	'
Transportation, 232.
Provision for returning soldiers, 233. Problems after the war, 233.	-
Aliens, supervision of, 689.
Army
40th Battalion-supplies, 1043.
106th Regiment-supplies, 851, 1042, 1077, 1349, 2172.
Officers in England, 1077, 1551, 2172. Recruiting, 2987, 3255.
Soldiers
Disabled, provision for, 233, 2874. Homes, 1657.
Pensions, 1654, 1666, 4137.
Punishment of, 3257, 3525.
Special railway rates for, 2549. Technical training for, 1620, 1626. Voting of, 3512.
Bear River public building site, 1164. Beland, Dr., detention of in Germany, 806. Big island mail service, 649.
Bilingual question, the, 3819.
British Columbia, subsidizing of ships in, 1551.
Budget, 1243.
Record of the Government, 1243.
Increases in the Civil Service, 1243. Revenue and expenditure, 1244-1248. Immigration, 1245.
Public debt, 1246.
The taxation proposals, 1248.
Political patronage, 1254.
Canadian Northern Railway Company

proposed loan to, 3346, 3568, 3580. Carson, Brigadier-General, staff of, 2693. Davidson Commission, 2399. See Shell contracts.
Daylight saving, 4006.
East Gore mail service, 3353.
Eureka, railway accommodation at, 1043. Fielding, P. M„ 1551.
Freeman, Dr. N. P., 3097.
Government railways Divisions, 549.
Freight rates on coal, 548.
Small claims, 3311. See Intercolonial railway.
Government steamers, 548, 950, 1076.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company-proposed loan to, 3346, 3568, 3580.
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2112.
Immigration
Expenditure, 2100.
Statistics, 1436.
Indians, 1652, 2668.
Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1161. Intercolonial railway -Branch lines, 2773, 2785.
Car purchases, 757.
Coal supply, 538, 2795.
Employees, 1040.
Equipment, 3460.
Operation, 2792.
Pictou harbour bridge, 2784.
Pugwash spur line, 3024.
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Kastella, A., 1549.
Law, the late Mr. B. B., M.P., death of, 590. Loans
Dominion, $75,000,000, 1824, 1830. Farmers, to, 931.
War, 3253.
Lobsters, 950, 2387, 2439, 4017.	-
Mines Department, expenditure, 2328, 2331, 2344.
Mining industry,, 1862, 1874, 1878. Munitions. See War.
Naval Brigade, 1671.
Naval service, 228-232, 1667, 1697, 2987. New Glasgow, shell inspectors at, 674. Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2454.
Nova Scotia
Coal situation, 1609.
Judges, appointment of, 685.
Steamship service, 2853.
Patent rights, extension of, 1160.
Political patronage, 220.	.
Pensions. See Army.
Pictou (county)
Mail service, 549, 955.
Recruiting officers, 1165.
Telephone service, 549.
Pictou (town)
Freight and coal, handling of, 952, 955. Local troops, supplies to, 857, 1042, 1077, 1349, 2172.
Pictou Island life-saving station, 549. Political patronage, 1254, 1326, 1875, 3256. Port Howe, mail service, 1076.
Post Office
Department expenditure, 1875, 1885. Rural mail' service, 2045, 2049, 2052, 2616.
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Public works, expenditure on, 2827. Railway mail service, 2047.
River John customs officer, 549.
Rural mail service. See Post Office. Saskatchewan Judges' salaries, 2073.
Shell Committee, the, 221-225.
Sherbrooke postmaster, 2033.
Shipbuilding, encouragement of, 703, 2115, 4052.
Steamship service, 2538.
Stellarton
Public building site, 1164.
Shell inspectors at, 673.
Taxation of profits, 1248, 1865, 1874, 1985, 1999, 2004, 2616, 2640, 2658.
Technical education, 1620, 1626.
Thompson, Mr. K. C., 921.
Transportation, 232.
Vale railway, 3024.
Vickers, Limited-sale of ammunition to, 2695.
Victoria Memorial Museum, specimens for, 2331, 2344.
War
Appropriations, 3253.
Cabinet Ministers and, 226.
Munitions
Factories-labour in, 2549.
Imperial Government, credit for, 1810. Inspectors of, 544, 673.
Pay and record office, Canadian, 3023. Supplies
Clothing, 4078.
Fuses, 2514.
Groceries-British	Columbia, 3097,
3733.
Machine guns, 3258.
Orders for-securing of, 957, 965. Ordnance, construction of, 2799. Pistols, 2510.
Rifles, 3510.	,
Shells, 673, 2509, 3491.
Small arms ammunition, 1551, 2302, 2543, 2546, 2695, 3297, 3923.
War Purchasing Commission, 2695, 2801. Wentworth mail service, 3353.
West Gore-Clarksville mail service, 2695. Wilson, Fred S., 3353.
Woman suffrage, 1201.
Macdonald, Rev. D. R., claim of, 3675.
Macdonell, Mr. A. C. (Toronto South) Algoma Central and Hudson Bay Railway Company, 2663.
Bilingual question, the, 3780.
Prison reform, 2842.
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Toronto harbour improvements, 3344. Machine guns. Sec War Supplies.
Maclnnes, C. S„ position of, 2923.
Maclean, Mr. Alexander K. (Halifax)
Black, R. Robson, 3144.
Budget, 889.
Balance of trade, 890.
Domestic war loan, 891.	.
Revenue and expenditure, 892.
Customs taxation, 892.
Financial policy, 893.
Economy in public expenditure, 894. Political patronage, 895.
Expenditures by departments, 895. Government taxation proposals, 899. Tariff on apples and oils, 899.
Taxation of profits, 899.
Taxation of incomes, 902.
Domestic war loan, 891.
Dominion notes advanced to banks, 592. Dominion Telegraph steamer Tyrian, 1437. Exports to United Kingdom, 592.
Fish, transportation and marketing of, 572.
Halifax
Coal shipments from, 1759.
Postmaster, 2033.
Wellington Barracks School, 558.
House of Commons-morning sittings, 2112.
Immigration, 540.
Indians, 2669.
Insurance companies, life, investments of, 1612.
Interior Department expenditure, 2607. Kennedy, R. H„ employment of, 4075. Labour bureaus, national, 618.
Lunenburg county mail service, 3942. Mahone bay-Martin's brook mail service, 545.
Martin's river mail service, 3881.
Militia Department-political patronage in, 3248.
Navigation schools, 698.
Nova Scotia-coal shortage, 1608.
Political patronage, 895, 3248.
Population of Canada, 636.
Post Office
Department expenditure, 2609.
Mail contracts, 2610, 2720.
Public Works Department expenditure, 2605.
Shipbuilding, 701, 703.
Shipping, lack of, 700, 1608.
Soldiers' ballots, 673.
Steamer Starling, 540.
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Taxation Apples, 899.
Income, 902.
Oil, 899, 1799.
Profits, 899, 1849, 1971, 2601, 2651. Special revenue from, 948.
Voters' lists, 1915, printing of, 593.
War
Appropriations, 3247.
Expenditures by departments, 1161. Supplies-Windsor purchases, 3407.
Maclean, Mr. William F. (South York, O.) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 461.
The wheat question, 461.
South York and the war, 461.
Effect of the war, 462.
Loans to farmers, 463.
Development of natural resources, 465. The nickel industry, 465.
Canada's part in the war, 466.
Airships, building of, 2895, 2900.
Banks, nationalization of, 1834.
Budget, 1262.
Canadian Northern and Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Companies-proposed loan to, 3826, 3871.
Insurance companies, life, investments of, 2401.
Loans
Dominion, $75,000,000, 1814, 1834.
Farmers to, 464.	'
Railways to, 3826, 3871.
Nickel industry, 465, 1262.
Ores, refining of, 1265.
Railways
Location of, 2746.
Public ownership of, 3826, 3871. Railway Commission, powers to, 2746, 3629. Saskatchewan Judges' salaries, 2077. Shipbuilding, 2895, 3116.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 2907.
Transportation, 3114.
Wheat, free, 1067.
MacNutt, Mr. Thos. (Saltcoats)
Cable service, 759.	.
Duty on farm implements, 4068.
Steamship service, 3352.
Trench warfare, 2696.
Wheat, free, 856.
Mahone bay-Martin's brook mail service, 544.
Maloney, Thomas, injuries to, 3390.
Manitoba School lands, 3675.
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3144.
Maple sugar, 2159.
Marchand, Zepherin, fuel purchased from, 3098.
M arcil, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 476.
Canada and the war, 476.
Loyalty of French-Canadian people, 478. Recruiting in Quebec, 479, 491.
The Nationalist movement, 479.
The Bilingual question, 482-490.
Allies, Conference of at Paris, 2475. Bilingual question, the, 482-490, 3297, 3734. Bonaventure
Enlistments from, 4078.
Inspectors of weights and measures, 671. Mail service, 1438, 2172.
Civil Service Commision, 665.
Campbellton
Alleged disturbances at, 945.
GaspS steamship service, 536.
Proposed bridge at, 3628.
Railway superintendent, 535.
Carleton beach protection works, 536. Divorce, 778.
Dredging, 3627.
Fisheries overseer, 535.
GaspS
Enlistments from, 4078.
Ipspector of weights and measures, 671. Wrecking station, 718.
Gaspfi- Anticosti mail service, 536.
GaspS and Bonaventure lighthouses, 536. Government railways-small claims, 3307. Grenier, Private Adolphe, 3559.
House of Commons-Clerk Assistant, appointment of, 884.
Immigration, 2102.
Imperial Munitions Board, 594.
Inland Revenue Department-officials of in municipal elections, 1759.
Intercolonial railway
Accident at Val Brillant, 2058.
Coal, 2115.
Interior Department, promotions in, 836. Intoxicating liquor in prohibition territory, 2169.
Judges' salaries, 2324.
Letters for soldiers, 2051, 2053.
Life-saving, 726.
Lobsters, 2386.
Maria beach protection works, 536. Maritime road, repairs to, 746.
Montreal Island, bridge connection with, 3629.
Montreal railway terminals, 3415, 3423.
Marcil, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure)-Con. Murchies channel piers, 1654.
National Transcontinental Railway, government operation of, 3429.
New Carlisle wharf, 535.
New Richmond Mail service, 2174.
Post office, 1118, 1653.
Overseas forces, 2348.
Paspebiac wharf, 536.
Postmasters and municipal elections, 1653. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1451, 2169, 2220, 2231, 2351, 2475.
Quebec Fisheries, 638.
Recruiting, 479, 491..
Quebec and Saguenay railway, 3429. Recruiting, 479, 490, 3590, 3643, 5354.
Rural mail service, 2018, 2021, 2040. Rimouski
Harbour improvements, 3174.
Inspector of weights and measures, 671. Saguenay river improvements, 3674.
St. Alphonse de Caplan mail service, 1654. Soldiers' decorations, record of, 1969. Steamers, whistling of, 3375.
Steamship service, 3100.
Temiscouata county public works, 4077.
M aria beach protection works, 536.
Marine
Baleine, lease of, 3676.
Coasting privileges. See Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bill.
Crosby, A. B.-hire of steamer, 727. Department Clerks, 2801.
Estimates, 662, 692, 716, 739, 2361, 2530, 2542, 3436.
Law clerk, 2176.
Staff and salaries, 662.
Harbour commissions, 740, 742.
Harbour facilities, 740.
Hochelaga, Steamer, 950.
Hospitals. See that titte.
Hydrographic surveys, 2901.
Ice-breaker contract, 1440.
Icebreaking, 723, 744.
Life-saving, 726, 2916.
Lighthouse and coast service
Maintenance and repairs, 728, 739. Retiring fund, 754.
Salaries, 725.
Supplies, 728.
Lighthouse Board, 1078.	,
Maritime road, repairs to, 746.
Mayflower, wreck of the, 727.
Minister of-visit to New York, 2012. Minto, sqle of the, 723.
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Montmagny, repairs to, 751.
Navigation Aids, 728.
Anderson report, 636.	[DOT]
Coasting regulations, 699.
Masters and Mates, examination of, 694. Motor boats, certificated officers. See Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bills.
Obstructions, removal of, 715, 745. Pilotage. See Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bills.
Pilots' pensions. See Pensions.
St. Lawrence, 719, 1906, 3437.
Schools, 695.
Noreen, rental of, 727.
Pilot, wreck of, 106, 154.
Sick Mariners Fund, 752.
Shipbuilding, encouragement of, 639, 701, 1616, 1643, 2115, 2892, 3001, 3106, 3336, 3608, 4052.
Shipping
Shortage of, 638, 706.
Total Canadian, 2175.
See also Transportation.
Steamers
Foreign trade licenses for, 2694. Government, 693, 723, 727, 751, 950, 1076, 1437, 3437.
Whistling of, 3375, 3612. See also vessels. Steamship service. See that title. Transportation. See that title.
Tidal stations, 2913.
Vessels
Canadian, net tonnage of, 1163. Commandeering of, 116, 1608. Requisitioning of, 1969.
Wrecks, investigations into, 695.
Wrecking plants, subsidies for, 716.
Martin, Mr. Mederic (Montreal, St. Mary's) Unemployment, the poor and, 595.
Martin, Mr. William M. (Regina) Advertising, 827.
Badger, W., employment of, 1439.
Bennett, D. D„ 1759.
Brandt, Peter, employment of, 832. Criminal Code Amendment-bigamy; foreign divorces, 1040.
Drab, Max, employment of, 1439.
Evans, N. A., employment of, 1439, 1653. Homestead inspectors, 828.
Indians, 2688.
Keay, R. H., fraudulent operations of, 836. Labour bureaus, national, 612.
Militia Department, political patronage in, 1374, 3252.
Moosejaw examining warehouse, 1550.
Martin, Mr. William M. (Regina)-Con. Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 691, 1439.
Political patronage, 1374, 3252.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2226. Recruiting, 3251.
Regina
Army Service Corps-accommodation for, 1652.
Assistant Receiver General, 553.
Inland Revenue pretnises, 1439.
Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 1439. Riding Mountain timber reserve, 640.
Ross, W. T., release of, 2301.
Saskatchewan public buildings, 3329. Saskatchewan river, direction of, 841. Seed Grain indebtedness, 512.
Stedman, Robert E., 3232.
68th Battalion-payment of wages, 2695. Swift Current post office site, 1041. Taxation of apples, 2308.
War appropriations, 3251.
Wheat, commandeering of, 3219.
Martin's river mail service, 3881.
McCoig, Mr. Archibald B. (West Kent, O.) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 389.	-
Kent county and the war, 390.
Hay contracts, 392.
Embargo on wool, 393.
The tobacco industry, 394.
Hog cholera, 395.
Horses for the war, 396.
Taxation of farmers, 398.
Agriculture, 1401.
Corn, freight rates on, 2963.
Hay contracts, 392.
Hogs, government inspection of, 1552.
Hog cholera, 395, 1397, 2957.
Horses, purchases of, 396, 671.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2357. Tobacco industry, the, 394.
Wool, embargo on, 393.
McCraney, Mr. Geo. E. (Saskatoon)
Budget, 1259.
Peel provincial election and Mr. Fallis, 1259.
The Minister of Public Works and the West, 1260.
Farmers and taxation, 1261. Conscription, 592, 829.
Horses-Mr. Fallis, 674, 1259.
Immigration, 2442.
Interior, Minister of, in Chicago, 829. Loans to farmers, 678, 928.
Prince George, B.C., railway station, 637.
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Location of, 2755.
Stations, naming of, 2738.
Railway Commission, powers of, 2755. Reforestation, 2089.
. Rural credits, 2401.
Saskatchewan-military district No. 12, 1903, 1971.
Seed grain, indebtedness, 761.
Taxation of apples, 1787, 1791, 2315. Woman suffrage, 1195.
McCrea, Mr. Fancis N. (Sherbrooke)
Cap fi, la Roche channel, 761.
Rural mail service, 2042.
St. Lawrence ship channel, 1906. Sherbrooke Drill hall, 3098.
Postmaster, 1906, 2032.
Steamship service, 2534.
Tan bark, embargo on, 3022.
Taxation of profits, 1852, 1858, 1981, 1986, 2005, 2639.
McCurdy, Mr. F. S. (Shelburne and Queens) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 398.
Charges against army officers, 398. Politics in Nova Scotia, 402.
Correction of statement in Ottawa Citizen, 2548.	.
Fish, transportation and marketing of, 567. Intercolonial railway-rates of pay, 2881.
McKenzie, Mr. D. D. (North Cape Breton) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 303.
Public expenditures, 304, 312.
Political patronage and the war, 306-312. The Minister of Militia, 307.
Purchase of war supplies, 309. Conservative administration, 311. Baddeck wharf, 548.
Baleine, steamship, 3676.
Bay St. Lawrence telegraph office, 1551. Budget, 1109.
The war, 1109.
Financial conditions, 1110.
Revenue and expenditure, 1111.
Taxation proposals, 1111, 1114.
Cost of living, 1112,
The country's finances, 1113.
The Minister of Trade and Commerce and political partyism, 1115. Constitutional documents, 977.
Dingwall, postmaster, 1160.
Divorce, 789.
Fish and fisheries
Development of industry, 2383.
McKenzie, Mr. D. D. (North Cape Breton)- Con.
Fish and Fisheries-Con.
Fishermen, medical treatment for, Transportation and marketing of, 574. Ingonish harbour-ice-breaking, 2421. Immigration expenditure, 2606. Intercolonial railway Branch lines, 3432.
North Sydney terminals, 3425. Passenger service, 3424.
Jamesville breakwater, 3615.
Loans to farmers, 934.
Magdalen islands cable, 759.
Mahoney, Thomas, 3390.
Meat Cove breakwater, 758.
Militia Department, 307.
Mines Department expenditure, 2333. Newfoundland-regulations affecting immigration from, 2441.
Political patronage, 306-312, 1370, 3543. Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4044, 4050. Railway situation in Canada-inquiry into, 3988.
Rural mail service, 2054.
Shipbuilding, 4063.
Small arms ammunition, 3884.
Soldiers, employment of in England, 1371. Technical education, 1635.
Telegraph lines, government, 3328, 3634. Victoria county, N.S.-Government telegraphs, 548, 758.
Wellington harbour improvements, 2169. Westover county telegraph office, 2600.
McLean, Mr. Angus A. (Queens, P.E.I.) Divorce, 779.
Government railways-small claims, 3304. Horses, 1383.
Lobsters, 2382.
Political patronage, 3276.
Prince Edward Island public works, 3155. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1953, 2560.	I
Shipbuilding, 713.
Soldiers, voting of, 3510.
McMillan, Mr. John A. (Glengarry) Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2357. War supplies-transport trucks, 3676.
Me Nab, C. C., claim of, 4074.
Meat Cove breakwater, 758.
Medical instruction, government, 978. Medicine Hat
Customs building, 1440, Mail service, 534.	.
Overseas regiment, 1435. Post office, 534.
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Allowances to soldiers, 116.
Ocean transportation, 116-118. Commandeering of vessels, 116.
The Shell Committee, 118, 126, 128. Shell contracts, 120-128.
Expenditure of war funds, 125.
The Davidson commission, 129, 137. Purchase of submarines, 132.
Budget, 1222.
Canada's trade and prosperity, 1222. Our financial condition, 1222, 1241. British and Canadian expenditures compared, 1223.
The late Government and taxation, 1225. Duty on oils, 1227.
Duty on apples, 1227.
The farmers and taxation, 1229, 1242. Exportation of nickel, 1233.
Economy in the public service, 1240. The Jewish people, 1242.
Canadian Northern Railway Company' proposed loan to, 3659.
Davidson Commission, the, 129-137.
Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal Company, 3373.
Nickel, exportation of, 1233.
.Pacific Northern and Omineca Railway Company, 1014.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 3996, 4012, 4032, 4039.
Railways, location of, 2752.
Railway Commission, powers of, 2752. Retractation of expression, 107.
St. Peter's Indian reserve, 2061, 2069, 2317, 2934.
Shell Committee, 118, 126, 128.
Shell contracts, 1737, 3494.
Soldiers, allowances to, 116.
Submarines, purchases of, 132.
See Davidson Commission.
Taxation Apples, 1227.
Generally, 1255-1299.
Oils, 1277.
Transportation, ocean, 116-118.
Vessels, commandeering of, 116.
War expenditures, 125.
Wheat
Commandeering of, 3207.
Free, 1068.
Mercantile marine. See Transportation.
Meredith-Duff Commission-printing of evidence, 4130. See also War Supplies, Small Arms Ammunition.
Michaud, Mr. E. Pius (Victoria, N.B.) Bridges, interprovincial, 3633.
Budget, 1097.
Problems arising from the war, 1098. Provision for returned soldiers, 1098. Future immigration, 1098.
National economy, 1099.
Campbellton
Accommodation for soldiers at, 1162. Public building, 1162.
International bridge, guarding of, 1041. Minister of Militia, travelling expenses of, 2171.
Mitchell, Moses, 3408.
Penitentiaries, 2123.
Richards, I. M., services of, 1653.
Sabourin, Lieut.-Col., 949.
St. John and Quebec railway, 3371.
St. John Valley Railway, 1940.
St. Leonard, soldiers at, 640.
Soldiers, allowances to, 1098.
Middlebro, Mr. William S. (North Grey) . Civil Service-appointment of soldiers to, 642.
Immigration, 2105.
Owen, James W., patent of, 1226. Parliament Buildings, reconstruction of, 2013.
Political patronage, 1377.
Shipbuilding, 708.
Transportation, freight rates, 708.
Milford Haven Bridge postmaster, 2173. Militia and Defence Appointments, 293.
Bands, regimental, 1044.
Cadet
Services, 3502.
Inspectors, 3144.
Censors and decoders. See Censors.
Chief Transport Officer, 1903, 1969. Conscription. See Army.
Department
Automobiles for, 2544.
Clerks, 2839.
Estimates, 1341, 3502, 3537, 3586. Expenditures, 897.
Organization, 3233.
Political patronage in, 3248, 3252. Dominion Arsenal, 3537, 3586.
Edmonton militiamen in active service, 114.
Fair wage clause in munitions coptracts,
See War.
Home Guard, rifles for, 3504.
Hospital Commission, 2347.
Military district No. 12, Saskatchewan, 1903, 1971.
Militia officers in Canada, 288.
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Military training, 3501.
Minister of
Travelling expenses of, 2171.
Trips to England, recent, 1117, 1915, 2012, 2646; in 1915, 2545.
Royal Military College, 362, 2172, 2831, 3528, 3881.	-
Wellington Barracks School, 558.
See also Army and War.
Military forces. See Army .
Mines and Minerals.
Coal
Mining, government control of, 718. Nova Scotia shortage of, 1608. Shipments from Halifax, 1759. Department Clerks, 2921.
Estimates, 2326.
Publications, 3883.
Reports, 2335.
Staff and salaries, 2337.
Geological survey, 2341.
Nickel, exportation of, 465, 1012, 1233, 1262, 1140, 1143, 2166, 2239, 2799.
Ores, refining of, 1265, 3021.
Peat
Canadian Peat Society, 2329. Experiments, 2327.
Tar sands experiments, 2340.
Zinc
Bounties on, See Zinc Bounties Bill. Duty on, 2839.
Mitchell, Moses, position of, 3408.
Moncton-Main Street subway, 3024. Montpetit, Elzear, payment to, 2694. Montreal
Barracks, 2821.
Customs
Building, 2175, 2476.
Officers and revenue, 2169.
Harbour, 740.
Immigration agent, 1440.
Inland Revenue building, 2822.
Postal station G, 2821.
Postal station A, 2821.
Postal station M, 2820.
Post office
Employees, 1651, 1906, 2010, 2036, 2820. Revenues, 1651.
Salaries, 1651.
Service, 2031.
Railway terminals, 3415, 3423.
Recruiting in, 4069, 4125,
Soldiers, medical examination of, 4069, 4125.
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Monument of His late Majesty King Edward VII, 3324.
Moosejaw
Customs officers, 2171.
Examining warehouse, 1550.
Military, 1651.
Morphy, Mr. H. B. (North Perth)
Bilingual question, the, 3769.
Cadet service, 3504.
Horses, 2968.
Immigration expenditure, 2108. Intercolonial railway-operation, 3403. Justice-indeterminate sentences, 2844. Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2459.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2762. Public works, expenditure on, 2829. Railways Location of, 2754.
Passenger service, 3418, 3422.
Railway Commission, powers of, 2754. Ross rifle, 4112.
Seventh Day Adventists Conferences, 2167. Soldiers, employment of on farms, 3589.
M orris, Mr. James (Chateauguay) Agriculture Department-horses purchased by, 3881.
Montreal island, bridge connection with, 3631.
Telephone Companies, 3327.
Morrisburg, Ont.-Militia office, 1078. Morrison, Mr. Alex. (Macdonald)
Free wheat, 1057.
Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 686, 956, 1439.
Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal Company Bill. lr„ 3230.	2r., 3372. Com.,
3373.	3r„ 3375.
Muirhead, Major, charges against, 306, 398. Munitions. See War Supplies.
Murchies channel piers, 1654.
Murphy, Hon. Charles (Russell)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 156.
Visit of Prime Minister to England, 157. Canada's status in the Empire, 157. Provision for disabled soldiers, 158. Canadian Manufacturers' Association and war supplies, 159.
War contracts, 161-167.
Taxation of war profits, 168. Commandeering of wheat, 168.
The Shell Committee, 171.
Aitken, Sir Max, duties of, 534, 2692.
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Canadian Manufacturers' Association and war supplies, 159.
Electricity, export of, 671.
Horses for war purposes, 1385. Immigration of widows and children, 1330. Munitions, supply of from Canada, 106. Ottawa Customs building, 1549. Parliament Buildings, reconstruction of, 806.
Shell Committee, the, 171.
Soldiers
Payment of, 552.
Provision for, 158.
Submarines, equipment of, 534.
Taxation of profits, 168.
Wallace Shipyards, Limited-payments to, 1077.
War contracts, 161-167.
Wheat, commandeering of, 168.
National Battlefields Commission, 3141, 3148,
3637.
Nationalist party, 471.
National Transcontinental railway
Coal for, 3463.
Equipment, 2799.
Freight rates, 1276, 2795, 3036-3089. Government operation of, 2569, 2584, 2399, 3036,-3089, 3429, 3605, 3980, 3985.
Grain shipments on, 1276.
Locomotives, 1596.	,
Operating expenses, 1596.
Police commissioner, 2696.
Quebec terminals, 2569, 2584.
Naval Service
Department
Estimates, 662, 2885, 2908, 3442. Expenditure, 2889.
Staff and salaried, 662.
Travelling expenses, 2300.
Esquimalt dockyards, 2889.
Explanation by Prime Minister, 1763. Naval brigade, 1671.
Niobe and Rainbow, 229, 238, 1684, 1701, 1667, 2890.
Patrol service, 1680.
Rainbow, alleged capture by, 3943. Recruits for, 2987.
Royal Naval Canadian Volunteer Reserve, 228. ' Schooner Two Brothers, 533.
Stadacona, 548.
Steamer Starling, 540, 544.
Submarines
Equipment of, 534.
Purchase of, 75, 132, 200-211, 266, 316, 337, 387, 2890, 2897.
Naval Service-Con.
Submarines-Con.
Transport service, 1681.
Vessels in service, 1667.
Navigation. See Marine.
Nesbitt, Mr. Edward W. (North Oxford) Animals, diseased, destruction of, 2957. Brantford, city" of, 2664.
Budget, 1006.
Government expenditures, 1007, 1012. Taxation proposals, 1008.
Immigration policy, 1011.
Political patronage, 1012.
Control of nickel industry, 1012. Canadian Northern Railway Company- proposed loan, 3662, 3979.
Civil Service-enlistments from, 825.
Flax industry, 1286.
Government expenditure, 4116.
Hay purchases, 2967.	*
Hudson Bay railway, 3376.
Mines Department publications, 3883. Nickel industry, control of, 1012.
Peat, 2328.
Pensions to soldiers, 1663.
Political patronage, 1012.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2360. Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4019, 4116. Railways
Location of, 2745.
Situation in Canada-inquiry into, 3979. Railway Commission, powers of, 2746. Soldiers
Pensions, 1663.
Technical training for, 1618.
Steamship service, 2532.
Taxation
Apples, 1008.
Oil, 1009.
Profits, 1009, 1793, 1990, 2631, 2641, 2651. Technical education, 2208.
Water carts, 537.
Woman suffrage, 1201.
Zinc, bounties on, 3034.
Neuville lighthouse, 593.
New Brunswick Lumber export trade, 190.
Public works, 3159.
New Carlisle wharf, 535.
Newfoundland
Immigration, regulations affecting, 2441. Steamship service. See that title.
New Glasgow
40th Battalion, supplies for, 1043.
Postal revenue, 3561.	'	.
New Richmond post office, 1653.
Nickel. See Mines and Minerals.
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Bilingual question, the, 3723.
Pensions to soldiers, 4140.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4125. Railways, location of, 2755.
Railway Commission, powers of, 2755. Shipbuilding, 714.
Taxation of profits, 1860.
Niobe and Rainbow. See Naval Service. Noreen, steamer, 727.
North Bay armoury, 2691.
Northrup, Mr. William B. (East Hastings) Divorce, 595, 762, 791.
Nova Scotia
Coal shortage, 1608.
Fenian Raid Bounties, 593.
Fishery inspector, 546.
Horses, purchase of in, 685.
Public works. See that title.
Recruiting in, 1367, 3255.
Soldiers voting in, 3510.
Steamship service. See that title.
Oats and oatmeal. Sec Grain.
O'Brien, Mr. A. H., superannuation of, 2131. Oil
Duty on. See Taxation.
Freight rates on, 3410.
Gasolene, production and price of, 885, 1019, 2393.
Petroleum, embargo on, 2648.
Railways, for fuel on, 977, 1550.
Okanagan Indian reserve. See Indians.
Oliver, Hon. Frank (Edmonton)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 99.
Ocean transportation, 100.
Extension of term of Parliament, 102. War expenditures, 102.
Conscription, 103.
Enlistment, 104.
Provision for disabled soldiers, 105, 108,
110.
Provision for soldiers and their dependents, 109.
Patriotic Fund, 109.
Military equipment, 111, 112.
Our system of recruiting, 113.
Military forces in Canada, 114.
Alberta, enlistments in, 108.
Army
Casualty lists, 3280.
Conscription, 103.
Enlistments, 104, 108, 3279, 4076. Military training, 3503, 3507.
101st Battalion, 3548.
Oliver, Hon. Frank (Edmonton)-Con. Overseas forces, equipment of, 3513. Recruiting, 113, 3550, 3587.
Soldiers
Allowances to, 550, 4102.
Civil Service, appointments of to, 648. Dependents of, allowances to, 4102. Disabled, provision for, 105, 108, 110, 3334.
Equipment of, 112, 3502-3528.
Insane, 1659.
Medical examination of, 4073.
Pensions to, 1658, 4148.
Punishment of, 3539.
Technical training for, 1619. Astronomical observatories, 2430, 2434. Bilingual question, the, 3773.
Budget, 1209.
The Government and national conditions, 1209.
Agricultural development, 1211, 1220. Revenue and expenditure, 1212. Increasing taxation, 1213.
The cost of living, 1216.
Duty on apples, 1217.
Issue of Dominion notes, 1218.
Business corporations, government control of, 719.
Cadet service, 3503.
Canadian Northern Railway Company- proposed loan, 3658, 3863, 3976.
Civil Service-appointments of soldiers to, 648.	,
Cold storage, 1428.
Cost of living, 1216.
Edmonton
Disturbances at, 887.
Militia, 114.
Technical School, 648.
Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia railway, 2081, 3448.
Experimental farms-bee-keeping on, 1410. Grain
Congestion, 1706.
Elevators, St. John, 3594.
Freight rates on, 3074.
Oats and oatmeal, embargo on, 653, 803. Transportation of, 3074, 3085, 3456, 3981. Wheat
Commandeering of, 3201.
Free, 874-880.	,
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company- proposed loan, 3658, 3863.
Homestead entries by volunteers, 3529. Hudson Bay railway, 3379, 3989. Immigration
Expenditure, 2110, 2440.
Policy, 831.
Stations, western, 2869.
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Okanagan reserve, 3144, 3676.
Saint Peter's reserve, 593, 2060, 2067, 2316. Intercolonial railway equipment, 3601. Interior
Department expenditure, 2079, 2090. Minister of-speech in Chicago, 831. Orders in Council approved, 3347.
Lac St. Anne improvements, 3313.
Lands, western, survey of, 835.
Legion of Frontiersmen, 3507.
Loans to farmers, 681.
Mining industry, 1880.
National Transcontinental railway Freight rates, 3074.
Government operation of, 3980.
Northern Alberta, enlistments in, 4076. Oats and oatmeal. See Grain.
Pacific Northern and Omineca Railway Company, 1013.
Parliament, extension of term of, 102. Patriotic Fund, 109.
Penitentiaries, 2154.
Prisoners from in military service, 2117. Pensions. See Army.
Political patronage in military affairs, 3547. Potatoes, duty on, 1431.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2947. Public works, expenditure on, 3313.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4002, 4016. Railways
Oil for fuel on, 977, 1550.
Western, 2081.
Railway mail service, 2045, 2050.
Rogers, Colonel Maynard, services of, 848. Rural mail service, 2044.
Seed grain indebtedness, 509.
Seventh Day Adventists Conferences, 2167. Spirit river-proposed forest reserve, 3529, 3883.
Surveys, 1324, 2342, 2429.
Tar sands, 2340.
Taxation
Apples, 1217, 1792, 2306, 2310, 2315.
Profits, ^SO.
Telegraph lines, government, 3326, 3634. Transportation Ocean, 3131.
Railway, 3980.
War
Appropriations, 3277.
Expenditures, 102.
Supplies
Canvas shoes, 595, 673.
Field kitchens, 547.
Machine guns, 111, 595, 3522.
Orders for, securing of, 964.
Oliver, Hon. Frank (Edmonton)-Con.
War, Supplies-Con.
Overshoes, 673, 886.
Rifles, 595, 3520, 4105, 4107.
Socks, 593, 887.
Western Canada Telephone Company, 1888. Western development, 2080.
Wheat. See Grain.
Woman suffrage, 1608.
Ontario Public works, 3179.
Orangemen in army service, 359.
Ottawa
Buildings
Customs, 1549.
Departmental, 667, 2830, 2874, 3135, 3612. Height of, 2165.
New drill hall, 2832.
Recruiting offices, 3587.
Victoria Memorial Museum, 2331, 2343. Military camp doctors, 1760.
Ottawa Separate School Commission, 2546. Pacaud, Mr. Lucien T. (Megantic)
Budget, 1095.
Canada and the war, 1095.
Government expenditure, 1095.
Quebec and the war, 1096.
Civil Service-appointments from Dorchester, 2921.
Papineau, Mr. Louis J. (Beauharnois) Railway Act, consolidation of, 1276. Soulanges canal, dredging, 1761.
Paquet, Mr. Eugene (L'lslet)
Agriculture, 1392.	[DOT]
r- Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 11.
Review of the war, 12.
Canada's part in the war, 13.
Extension of term of Parliament, 15. Canada's economic conditions, 15. Exhibitions, 3026.
Government employees, 3674.
Intercolonial railway-French speaking employees, 2788.
Mail service on the Transcontinental, 2050. Quebec (city), Transcontinental railway employees at, 1436.
Dairy inspection, 852.
Live stock, 886.	'
Quebec (prov.)
Panama Canal, goods shipped to Canada via., 4092.
Pardee, Mr. Frederick F. (West Lambton) Address in reply to Governor General's
Speech, 453.
Canada and the war, 453.
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Address In reply to Governor General's Speech-Con.
Problems after the war, 454.
War contracts, 455.
Titles, 457.
Bilingual question, the, 3794.
Civil Servants-separation allowances to wives of, 3232.
Dredging-launch Waldrondo, 3942.
Flax industry, 1292.
Frontier protection, 744.
Horses for war purposes, 1381.
Mail contracts, 2723.
National Transcontinental railway police commissioner, 2696.
Ontario Niagara Connecting Bridge Company, 1890.
Postage stamps, sale and use of, 2050. Prince Rupert Militia quarters, 3352. Separation allowances, 3232.
Shell Committee, the, advances by, 3528. Shell contracts, 757, 2243.
Taxation of profits, 1847, 2652.
War contracts, 456, 2243.
Paris
Agency, 982.
Allied Economy Conference at, 2475, 2802.
Parks, Canadian National, 844, 846.
See also Dominion Bands and Parks; Forest Reserves and Parks Act Amendment Bill.
Parliament
Committees of. See House of Commons. Extension of term of, 6, 15, 68, 97, 102, 181, 215, 413, 425, 437, 475, 492, 622, 636, 755, 1133, 3943, 4007, 4129. See Address to His Majesty the King. Independence of-subscriptions to Dominion loan, 455.
Bibrary of, 668, 755.
Members of in military service. See Army. Railways, jurisdiction respecting, 947.
Parliament Buildings
Desks, purchase of, 1278.
Destruction of by fire, 578.
Alleged warning, 674.
Architect's report on, 888.
Commission of Inquiry into-appointment of, 582. Report of, 4006. Messages of sympathy, 579, 587, 652, 669, 855, 885, 1276.
Report of Chief Commissioner of Police, 669.
Improvements to, 2833.
Bight on, 739.
Parliament Buildings-Con.
Plans of, 1969, 4077.
Reconstruction of, 591, 663, 806, 2012, 3049. Committee of Members on, 3049, 3613. Fair wage clause in contract for, 3622, 3464.
Plans for, 1969, 4077.
See also Ottawa.
Parliamentary procedure
Amendments, 1712, 1714, 2238.
Answer to question, discussion of, out of order, 652.
Bills not to be introduced by resolution, 3617.
Committee of Supply, powers of, 3944. Consent of the Crown, 2116.
Irrelevancy, 975, 1834.
Motion for Committee to rise not in order,
2453.
Point of order, discussion on, 3621.
Reading of unsigned letter not in order, 2743.
Subjects debatable by House, 3621, 3676. See Deputy Speaker and Speaker.
Paspebiac wharf, 536.
Patenaude, Hon. Esioff L. (Hochelaga) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 521.
Quebec and the war, 521.
Attitude of the Biberal Party, 523, 525. Views of the late Mr. Monk, 527. Canada's part in the war, 527.
Haanel, Dr„ 852.
Inland Revenue Department estimates, 661, 2157-2165.
Maple sugar adulteration, 2164.
Patents
Records, printing of, 1386.
Rights, extension of, 1157.
Patriotic Fund, Canadian, 109, 500, 1255. Patronage. See Political.
Peat. See Mines.
Pelagic sealing investigation, 2918. Penitentiaries
Industrial farms, 2841.
Insane patients, 2119.
Juveniles in, 2121.
Kingston, 2115.
Portsmouth, 541.
Prisons and reformatories, 2841.
See also Prisons and Reformatories Act Amendment Bill.
Prisoners from in military service, 2117. Ross, Walter T„ release of, 2301, 2302.
St. Vincent de Paul, 2118.
Ticket-of-leave system, 2117.
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European "War, 3643.
Fenian Raid, 3642.
Intercolonial railway, 757.
Militiamen, 3642.
Pilots, 747-750.
Soldiers, 211, 236, 440, 1087, 1255, 1654, 1665, 1704, 1989.
Report of Special Committee on, 4131.
. See Army, allowances.
Perley, Sir George. See High Commissioner. Peterborough public building, 2810.
Pictou (county)
Mail service, 549, 955.
Recruiting officers, 1165.
Telephone service, 549.
Pictou (island) lifeboat station, 549.
Pictou (town)
Freight and coal, handling of, 952.
Troops at-supplies, 851, 1041, 1077. Pilotage. See Marine.
Political patronage, 145, 217, 276, 294, 299, 303-312, 368, 416, 895, 907, 917, 1012, 1032, 1127, 1254, 1273, 1326, 1351, 1353, 1361, 1363, 1366, 1370-1374, 1875, 3248, 3252, 3256, 3261, 3266, 3275, 3288, 3542. Pope, Sir Joseph, payments to, 2922.
Port Hood wharf, expenditure on, 560.
Port Howe mail service, 1076.
Pont Marcotte, 2171.
Port Nelson
Dock accommodation, 2692.	.
Harbour improvements, 1599, 2838.
. Live stock for, 2692.
Navigation, 592.
Post Office
Advertising, 1164, 2739.
Censoring of mail matter, 2054, 2691, 2840, 2880, 3029, 3050.
Estimates, 663, 2016, 2716, 3534. Expenditure, 1244, 1875, 1885, 2056, 2609. Finances, 895.
Mail contracts, 2610, 2720.
Motor cars, purchase of, 1327, 1328.
Parcel post, 2736.
Postmasters and municipal elections, 1653. Railway mail service, 2023, 2045, 2047, 2050, Revenue, 2173.
Rural mail service, 2017, 2032, 2040, 2044, 2050, 2052, 2054, 2616, 2621, 2716.
Savings deposits, 543.
Soldiers' letters, 532, 2051, 2053.
Staff and salaries. See estimates.
Stamps, sale and use of, 532, 546, 2051, 2718. Powder milk. See War Supplies.
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Prince Edward Island
Car ferry, 1597, 1704, 3391.
Dredging, 853.
Fishery inspectors, 2010.
Hillsborough bridge, guard on, 1433.
Horses, purchase of, 672.
Public works, 3152, 3635.
Steamship service, 2851.
Telegraph lines, 3187.	.
War supplies, purchases of, 3406.
Winter communication with, 1433.
Prince Edward Island railway, 1594, 3035, 3051, 3074.
Prince George, B.C., railway station, 637.
Prince Rupert militia quarters, 3352.
Printing, government, 668, 3095, 3099, 3785, 4152. See also advertising.
Prisons and Reformatories Act Amendment Bill. lr„ 2690.	2r., 2841-2845. Com.,
2846. Rep., 2847.	3r., 2847.
Prison reform. See penitentiaries.
Private bills discussed.
Algoma Central and Hudson Bay Railway Company, 2663.
Brantford, City of, 947, 1625, 1648, 1726, 2663.
Canadian Pacific Railway Company, 1013.
Eastern Canadian Union Conference of Seventh Day Adventists, 2167.
Governing Council of the Salvation Army in Canada, 2907.
Manitoba and Saskatchewan Bible Society, 3144.
Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2421, 2444.
Ontario Niagara Connecting Bridge Company, 1647, 1727, 1890.
Owen, James W., patent of, 1154, 1228.
Pacific Northern and Omineca Railway Company, 1013.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 2765, 2903.
Western Canada Telephone Company, 1649, 1887.
Privilege, questions of
Boivin, Mr.-bilingual question, 1206.
Bureau, Mr.-Ontario hydro-radial scheme, 1432.
Burnham, Mr.-statement in Toronto Star, 555.	[DOT]
Carvell, Mr.-fraudulent questions, 1492; shell deliveries, 2240.
Clements, Mr.-graft charges, 2398.
Crothers, Hon. T. W.-Globe newspaper, 1811.
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Hepburn, Mr.-shell contracts, 154.
Hughes, Sir Sam-Lieut.-Colonel John Currie, M.P., 1045.
Kemp, Hon. A. E.-Sheet Metal Products Company, 1646.
Kyte, Mr.-shell contracts, 3296.
Laurier, Sir Wilfrid-statement in Winnipeg Telegram, 2973.
Doggie, Mr.-St. John Daily Telegraph, 2113.
McCurdy, Mr.-statements of Ottawa Citizen, 2548.
Pugsley, Mr.-remarks of Solicitor General, 151; statement of Ottawa Journal, 806; correction of statement in Hansard, 2399.
Rogers, Hon. Robert-charges in Saskatchewan legislature, 1045.
Seguin, Mr.-statement of Ottawa Citizen, 2239.
Turriff, Mr.-statement of Peterborough Review, 414.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors during the war. Res., 1441, 1918, 1949, 2210, 2351. Div., 2361. See also, 638, 2475, and Canada Temperance Act Amendment Bill.
Prohibition or Restriction of Intoxicating Liquors Bill, lr., 1901. 2r„ 2478. Com., 2479-2494, 2549-2569, 2696-2716, 27582765, 2882. Rep., 2885.	3r., 2946, 2956.
Amendments proposed; Mr. Guthrie, 2953. Div., 2954. Mr. Sinclair, 2955. Mr. Hughes, 2956. Sen. Arndts., 4127.
Proulx, Mr. Edmond (Prescott)
Allison, Col. J. Wesley, 2012, 2476.
Bilingual question, the, 3798.
Cabinet Ministers, visit to New York of
2012.
Carleton Drug Company, 2542.
Carson, General John, position of, 851.
Chute, Lieutenant A. H., 2476.
Civil Service-pay of lower grade employees, 4079.
Forbes, Dr. A. Mackenzie, 3528.
Foster, A. De W., 2175.
Lessard, Major General, position of, 547.
Marine and Fisheries law clerk, 2176.
Motor car, Packard-purchase of, 1328
O'Brien, Mr. A. H., superannuation of, 2131.
Peat, 2328.
Penitentiaries
Kingston, 2116.
Sentencing of children to, 2122.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2358 2882.
Proof spirit purchase, 2176.
Proulx, Mr. Edmond (Prescott)-Con. Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of, 4087.
Shouldis, Mrs., employment of, 1328.
64th Battalion-medical officer, 1077. Sussex, N.B., Battalion-medical officer 1161.
Tibbits, Archibald, 2176.
Tremain, Lieut.-Col., M.P., 1652.
Trenches, improvement of, 2922.
Wilson, Mr. Beckles, 1327.
Woman suffrage, 1196.
Public Accounts Committee. See House of Commons.
Public health, proposed department of, 1065. Public printing. See Printing.
Public Service Loan ($75,000,000) Bill. Res., 1812, 1834. Rep., 1843. lr., 1843.	2r.,
'	1972. Com., 1972.	3r., 1972.
Public works Applications for, 1807.
Buildings Alberta, 2868.
Generally, 341.
Manitoba, 2818.
Nova Scotia, 2814.
Ontario, 2824. See Ottawa.
Quebec, 2818.	'
Saskatchewan, 3329.
Department
Architectural Branch, 3319.
Clerks, 3096.
Engineering Branch, 3319.
Estimates, 663, 2808-2838, 2868, 2148-3188, 3312-3344, 3556, 3612, 3621.
Staff and salaries, 663.
Dredging
British Columbia, 1078, 3942.
Dredge Port Nelson, 2692.
Maritijne Provinces, 853.
Ontario and Quebec, 3186, 3627.
St. Lawrence ship channel, 722.
Victoria, B.C., 546.
Expenditures, 896, 2605, 2808, 2826, 3156, 3322, 3338.
Harbours and rivers British Columbia, 3626.
Generally, 3152.
Manitoba, 3184.
Ontario, 3625.
New Brunswick, 3335, 3621.
Nova Scotia, 3149, 3615.
Ontario, 3179, 3338.
Prince Edward Island, 3635.
Quebec, 719, 3161, 3556, 3623.
St. Lawrence, 719.
Saskatchewan and Alberta, 3313.
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Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 67.
Extension of term of Parliament, 68. Transportation requirements, 69. Manufacture of munitions, 71-90.
Shell Committee, 71-92.
Shell contracts, 72-90.
Submarine investigation, 75.
Taxation of war profits, 85.
Contributions for machine guns, 92. Advertising, Government, 2436.
Burleigh falls, lease of, 2582.
Canadian Northern Railway Company Director, 2648.
Proposed loan to, 3581, 3940, 3944.
Canada Temperance Act, 3298.
Carnegie, Colonel, correspondence with, 1731.
Civil Service-enlistments, 818, 1844. Coloured men, recruiting of, 235, 557, 2114. Davidson Commission, report of, 3189. Dominion Lands and Parks, 2865. Economic and Development Commission, 1640, 2999.
Experimental farms, 2871.
Fish and fisheries Transportation, 2418.
Trout fry, 2421.
German-Canadians in military service, 683. Government expenditures, 973, 986, 1321, 3137.
Government railways-small claims, 3304. Grain
Congestion, 1713.
Elevators, 3059, 3082.
Transportation, 2857.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company, proposed loan to, 3581, 3940.
Hansard-correction of statement, 2399. High Commissioner, Canadian, office of, 963.
House of Commons-morning sittings,
2112.
Hudson Bay navigation, 2912.
Immigration
Advertising, 2436.
Expenditure, 2093, 2099, 2436.
Indians
Kitsilano reserve, 2681.
St. Peter's reserve, 2063, 2937.	.
Insurance companies, life, investments of, 1612, 2401.
Intercolonial railway-branch lines, 3434. Interior Department expenditure, 2090, 2431, 2435.
International Joint Commission, 979. Kingston harbour improvements, 3182. Labour bureaus, national, 615.
Pugsley, Hon. Wm. (St. John City)-Core. Loans to farmers, 677.
Marine Department estimates, reduction of, 2362.
Motor boats, 2803.
Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal Company, 3374.
National Transcontinental Railway, Government operation of, 2399, 2588, 30363089, 3605.
Naval service, 1683, 2888.
Niobe and Rainbow, 2890.
Ottawa Journal-correction of statement in, 806.
Parliament, extension of term of, 68. Parliament Buildings, reconstruction of, 2013, 4077.
Pensions to soldiers, 4131.
Prison reform, 2846.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2486, 2551, 2561, 2697.
Public works expenditure, 2769, 2808, 3341. Quebec railways, acquisition of, 3616, 3998, 4008, 4011, 4051.
Railways, location of, 2747.
Railway Commission, powers of, 2747. Recruiting-coloured men, 235, 557, 2114. Royal Academy of Arts, 3142.	'
Rural mail service, 2729.
St. John
Harbour improvements, 735-737, 3335. Post office, 2817.
St. John and Quebec railway, 3356, 3500. St. John Valley Railway, 1932.
Shell Committee, the, 71, 92.
Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of,
4088.
Shipbuilding, 639, 701, 1616, 1643, 2892, 3001, 3110, 3336, 4056.
Soldiers relatives, payments to, 3560. Solicitor General, remarks of, 151. Steamship service, 2530.
Submarines, investigation into purchase of, 75, 152, 2890.
Supplementary estimates, 3137.
Surf Inlet harbour improvements, 3185. Surveys, 2428, 2902.
Taxation of apples, 2305; profits, 85. Technical education, 1642.
Trade and Commerce, 2996. Transportation, ocean, 2857,	3110. See
Shipbuilding.
Vancouver Harbour, 1604.
Vessels, Canadian, requisitioning of, 1969. War
Expenditures, 39.
Supplies [DOT]
Ammunition, 71-90.
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Binoculars, 1717.
Boots, 1716.
Fuses, 1735.
Horses, 1719.
Machine guns, 92.
Orders for, securing of, 963.
Ross rifle, 155.
Shells, 74, 79, 86, 154, 1714, 1725, 1727, 1731, 3842.
White Phosphorous matches, 1493.
Woman suffrage, 1044, 1185, 1204.
Yukon, the, 1312, 1316, 1320.
Quebec (City)
Bridge, 1596, 3434.
Customs officer and revenue, 2169. Harbour, 743. .
Po,st office, 672, 1651, 2823.
Employees, 1906, 2010, 203£, 2036.
Parcel post superintendent,' 547. Sewerage system, 3557.
Transcontinental railway employees at 1436.
Quebec (province)
Agriculture, 1389.
Dairy inspection, 852.
Fisheries, 547, 638.
Highways, 3165.
Judges, 2692.
Live stock, 886.
Public works, 3161.
Recruiting in, 479, 491, 498, 3281.
Referee on butter and cheese, 2942. Steamship service, 2852.
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, 2530, 3146, 3429. See Quebec Railways Acquisition Bill.
Quebec Harbour Commission, 2347.
Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix Railway. See Quebec Railways Acquisition Bill.
Quebec Railways Acquisition Bill. (Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix; Quebec and Saguenay; Lotbiniere and Megan -tic). lr., 3616.	2r., 3990. Com., 4007.
3r., 4052. See also 4116.
Railways
Bond guarantees, 887.
Fires caused by, 3412.
Jurisdiction affecting, 947.
Oil for fuel on, 977, 1550.
Passenger service, 3418.
Port Nelson harbour improvements, 1599. Prince Edward Island car ferry, 1597. Public ownership of, 3826, 3871.
Quebec bridge, 1596.
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Situation in Canada-inquiry into, 3979. Stations, naming of, 2738.
Train service in the West, 518, 576. Transportation. See that title.
For individual railways, see their titles.
Railway Act, consolidation of, 1276.
Railway Act Amendment Bills
Powers of Railway Commission, lr., 2690. 2r„ 2743. Com., 2743.	3r„ 2802. See
also 3410, 3629.
Transportation of Grain, lr., 1207.	2r.,
1306. Com., 1306.	3r„ 1309.
Railways and Canals
Department estimates, 662, 1590, 2569-2599, 2769, 3035, 3051, 3074, 3375, 3410, 3445, 3593, 3345, 3563, 3648, 3933, 3943.
Staff and salaries, 662.
Rainbow, alleged capture by, 3297, 3943. See Niobe.
Regina
Army Service Corps-accommodation for, 1652.
Assistant Receiver General, 553.
Inland Revenue premises, 1439.
Military camp, 1808.
Reid, Jack, imprisonment of for seditiion, 2007.
Reid, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Customs) Antigonish station garden, 3593, 3603. Brantford, City of, 1626, 1648.
Burleigh falls, 2583.
Canadian Pacific Railway-freight congestion, 2742.
Canals Galops, 3609.
St. Peter's, 1601.
Trent, 1601, 3581.
Welland, 1600, 3454.
Customs
Agricultural implements, duty on, 4068. Bonding privileges, 4097.
Department-staff and salaries, 3644. Huntingdon preventive stations, 542. Morrisburg-free entry of goods at, 3645. Smuggling, 642, 4100.
Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia railway, 3446.
Government railways-small claims, 2919, 3303, 3884.
Grain
Elevators, 3061, 3085, 3594, 3600, 3604. Freight rates on, 3063, 3072-3089. Transportation of, 1207, 1306, 3602, 3456. Hudson Bay railway, 1598, 3990. Intercolonial railway Accident at Yal Brillant, 2058.
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Branch lines, 2767.
Car shortage, 1705, 3091.
Coal
Alleged expropriation of, 1762.
Supply, 538, 2115, 2795.
Equipment, 2793, 3607, 3459.
Freight congestion, 2742.
North Sydney terminals, 3427.
Operation, 1591. *
Paradis, Mr. T., claim of, 3783.
Passenger service, 3419.
Rates of pay, 2881.
Train service, 3395.
Montreal railway terminals, 3416.
Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal Company, 3230, 3372.
National Transcontinental railway Equipment, 2793.
Freight rates, 2795, 3058, 3066-3089. Government operation of, 2584,	2593,
3036-3089, 3605, 3984.
Quebec terminals, 2584.
Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company, 2468.
Ontario Niagara Connecting Bridge Company, 1647.
Panama Canal, shipment of goods to Canada via., 4097.
Port Nelson harbour improvements, 1599. Prince Edward Island car ferry, 1597, 3391. Quebec bridge, 1596, 3434.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 3990, 4007, 4122.
Quebec and Saguenay railway, 3430. Railways
Bridges, guards on, 1433.
Fires caused by, 3412.
Situation in Canada-inquiry into, 3983. Train service in the West, 518, 556. Railways and Canals Department
Estimates, 2767-2798, 3035, 3051, 3074, 3376-3404, 3410, 3445, 3593.
Expenditure, 2769.
Railway Commision, powers of, 2745-2758. Railway Commissioners, 3411.
St. John and Quebec railway, 3052, 3352, 3501.
St. John elevator, 3594.
Shipbuilding, 3608.
Soldiers
Barbour, Private, death of, 3418. Railway fares, single, for, 3594.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 2904.
Toronto railway terminals, 3414.
Western Canada Telephone Company, 1650.
Reindeer, experiments with, 839.
Rhodes, Mr. Edgar N. (Cumberland)
Amherst
Accommodation for troops, 3269. Purchase of war supplies, 3267.
Deputy Speaker, appointment as, 531. Political patronage, 3268.
Richards, T. M., services of, 1653.
Riding Mountain timber reserve, 640.
Rigaud mail service, 541, 595.	,
Rimouski
Customs officer, 546.
Harbour improvements, 3174.
Inspectors of weights and measures, 671.
River John customs officer, 549.
Riverside Lumber Company, 2058.
Riviere du Loup
Dredging, 2477.
Wharf, 2543.
Riviere Ouelle wharf, 1164.
Robb, Mr. James A. (Huntingdon)
Animals, compensation for destruction of, 2961.
Bilingual question, the, 3771.
Civil Service, enlistment from, 824.
Dundee mail service, 2722.
Grain
Elevators, 3601.
Transportation, 2795, 3601.
Hay purchases, 2967.
Horses for war purposes, 1382, 2970. Hudson Bay railway, 3387.
Huntingdon preventive stations, 641. National Transcontinental railway-freight rates on grain, 2795.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4002. Rural mail service, 2731.
Seed grain indebtedness, 516.
Shipbuilding, 3608.
Roche, Hon. W. J. (Minister of the Interior)
Advertising, 827.
Aliens, employment of, 850.
Alberta farmers, relief for, 532. Astronomical observatory, western, 2430. Buffalo, 845.	[DOT]
Civil service, enlistments from, 817, 820, 823.
Conscription, 592, 830.
Dominion Lands and Parks, 2865.
Farmers, western, relief for, 2860.
Forests
Protection, 836, 837.
Reforestation, 2089.
Reserves and Parks, 2496, 2663.
See Dominion Lands.
Grazing leases, 847.
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Homestead
Inspectors, 828.
Regulations, 827.
Immigration Agencies, 2096, 2435.
Chinese, 2441.
Inspection, boundary, 657. Newfoundland, regulations affecting, 2441.
Statistics, 540.
Indian Land Commission, 2867.
Indians, 2059, 2665, 2866. See that title. Interior Department Enlistments, 2084.
Estimates, 655, 817-850, 2428, 2860. Minister of in Chicago, 756, 830, 832. Orders in Council approved, 3347.
Staff and salaries, 655, 817.
Irrigation, 842.
Keay, R. H., fraudulent operations of, 837. Labourers, foreign, enlistment of, 2145. Parks, Canadian National, 844. Pre-emptions, payments on, 534.
Railways, western, 2084.
Reindeer herd, 839.
Rogers, Colonel Maynard, services of, 849. St. Peter's Indian reserve, 2316.
Seed grain Distribution, 2863.
Indebtedness, 507, 518, 760, 1607.
Spirit River Forest Reserve, 3883.
Surveys, 834, 836, 1320, 2428.
Taber irrigation district, 2806.
Taxation of land, 756, 2936.
Timber. See Forests.	'
Water-powers, development of, 840, 842. Wetaskiwin settlers, grievances of, 2089. Yukon, the, 1310, 1317.
Rogers, Colonel Maynard, 848.
Rogers, Hon. Robert (Minister of Public Works)
Civil Service Appointments, 4082.
Messengers, 2767.
Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia railway, 3452.
Experimental farms, 2871.
House of Commons-Saturday sittings, 3409.	'
Judges' salaries, 2325.
Labour bureaus, national, 615.
Montreal island, bridge connection with 3632.	[DOT]
Monument of His late Majesty King Edward VII, 3324.
Ottawa departmental buildings, 2874.
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Parliament Buildings Plans of, 4077.
Reconstruction of, 2012, 2833, 3049, 3613, 3622.
Public works
Department estimates, 2808-2838, 2868, 3148-3188, 3556, 3612, 3621. Expenditure, 2811.
Dredging, 3186, 3627.	.
Harbours and rivers,1 3152, 3156, 3313, 3556, 3615, 3621, 3623.
Roads and bridges, 3163.
Telegraph lines, 3187, 3312, 3318, 3326, 3634.
Quebec and Saguenay railway, 3431. Quebec railways, acquisition of, 3616.
Ross rifle, 4108.
Royal Society of Canada, 2875. Saskatchewan, charges in Legislature of, 1045.
St. John Valley Railway, 1922.
Shell contracts, 3405.
Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of, 4082.
Soldiers
Disabled, provision for, 2873, 3334. Medical examination of, 4072.
Technical education, 2208.
Wheat, free, 880, 1046-1052.
Woman suffrage, 1202.
Roseberg post office, 2474.
Ross, Mr. Duncan C. (West Middlesex) Allowances to soldiers, 1021.
Beehan, J. J., 3408.
Budget, 1020.
Provision for soldiers, 1021.
The duty on apples, 1022.
Government war loans, 1023.
Taxation of profits, 1023.
Income taxation, 1025.
Rural credits, 1026.
Canadian ideals, 1028.
Middlesex county and the war, 1029. Government administration and political partyism, 1037-1033.
The spirit of France, 1033.
Eggs, marketing of, 2961.
Farmers' credits, 1025.
Political patronage, 1032.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2480. Rural credits, 1025.
Soldiers' allowances, 1021.
Taxation Apples, 1022.
Income, 1025.
Profits, 1023.
War loans, 1023.
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Ross, Captain William, employment of, 545. Royal Academy of Arts, 3142,
Royal Assent, 1495, 2073, 2807.
Royal Military College-clothing contract, 3881.
Royal Naval Canadian Volunteer Reserve,
2889, 2900.
Royal Naval College, 2889.
Royal Society of Canada, 2875.
Rural credits. See Farmers.
Rural mail service.^ See Post Office. Sabourin, Lieut.-Col., rank of, 949.
Sackville
Public building, 2816.
Wharf accommodation, 3160.
Saguenay river improvements, 3674.
St. Alphonse de Caplan, mail service, 1654. St. Amour, A. C., payments to, 3408.
St. John
Customs officers and revenue, 2169.
Freight exports, 3529.
Harbour improvements, 729, 3335.
Post office, 2817.
Employees, 1651, 1906, 2010, 2036, 2039. Revenues and salaries, 1651.
Terminals, 3593.
St. John and Quebec Railway Bill. Res., 3353. lr„ 3372.	2r., 3500. Com., 3500.
3r., 3502. See also 1433, 3051.
St. John Valley Railway, 757.
St. Leonard, N.B., soldiers at, 640.
St. Paul L'Ermite wharf, 2174.
St. Peter's canal, 1601.
St. Peter's Indian reserve. See Indians.
St. Peter's Indian Reserve Bill. Res., 2059. lr„ 2071.	2r„ 2316. Com., 2316.	3r„
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Saskatchewan
Charges in Legislature of, 1045. Immigration-government co-operation in, 1277.
Judges' salaries, 2071.
Saskatchewan river water supply, 3189. Scammell, J. K., position of, 1157.
Schaffner, Mr. F. L. (Souris)
Grain
Congestion, 1712.
Freight rates, 3067.
Transportation, 2857.
Hudson Bay railway, 3384.
Mail contracts, 2615.
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Printing-proposed reduction in cost, 4153. Rural mail service, 2055.
Sunnybrae mail service, 1549.
Taxation of apples, 2309.
Transportation, ocean, 2857.
Scott, Mr. F. S. (South Waterloo)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 171.
Imperial relationships, 172.
War contracts, 172, 175.
The tariff and trade, 173.
Public finances, 174.
Shell contracts, 175.
French-Canadians and the war, 177. Shell Committee, the, 175.
Sealers, British Columbia, claims of, 595. Secretary of State, department of-translators, 3231.	,
War contracts, 172, 175.
Seed1 grain
Advances for, 510, 532, 761.
Amounts required for, 2861.
Distribution of, 2862.
Impurity of, 432.
Indebtedness, 438, 761, 1607.
Liens for, 760.
Purchase of, 886.
Senate
Members of-military duties, 1328.
Seguin, Mr. Paul A. (L'Assomption)
Joliette
Government offices, 3562.
Post office, 3561.
L'Assomption
Mail service, 3881.
Wharf, 2174.	v
Ottawa Citizen-report of, 2239. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 228, 2239.
Rural mail service, 2726.
St. Paul L'Ermite mail service, 2174.
Select Standing Committee. See House of Commons.
Seventh Day Adventists. See Private Bills.
Sevigny, Hon. Albert (Dorchester). See Speaker.
Sharpe, Colonel Samuel, M.P., pay of, 2924. Shelburne
Bell buoy, application for, 543.
Customs duties, 1762.
Fishery guardian, 545, 546.
Mail service, 594.
Port physician, 543.
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Shell Committee, The, 71, 92, 95, 118, 126, 128, 140, 163, 171, 175, 194, 221-225, 238, 255, 295, 303, 366, 346-350, 420, 923, 1496, 1715, 1740, 2259, 2294.
Advances by, 3528.
Formal charges, 1715.
Formation of, 1500.
See Shell contracts.
Shell Fisheries Commision, 2368.
Shepherd, Mr. F. H. (Nanaimo) Astronomical observatory, western, 2433. Taxation of oil, 1800.
Sherbrooke
Customs officers and revenue, 2169.
Drill hall, 3089.
Mail service, 2173.
Postmaster, 1906, 2033.
Post office
Employees, 1906, 2010, 2036.
Revenues and salaries, 1651.
Shipbuilding. See Marine.
Shipping. See Marine and Transportation. Shouldis, Mrs., employment of, 1328.
Shovel shields. See War Supplies.
Sinclair, Mr. John H. (Guysborough) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 414.
The war, 414.
Political patronage, 416.
Purchase of horses, 418.
The Shell Committee, 420.
Advertising, government, 3095.
Amherst, Sydney and New Glasgow postal revenue, 3561.
Archibald, M. G., services of, 539.
Bonds, Government, negotiability of, 660. British Columbia lighthouse service, 3352. Canada Temperance Act Amendment, 3301. Censors and decoders, employment of 640 851.	'
Civil Service appointments, 948, 4089.
Coin, American, 654.
Cole harbour wharf, 758, 3150.
Duchemin, H. P., payments to, 1161, 1610. Fenian Raid bounty, 593.
Fish and fisheries Bounties, 2546.
Canadian troops, for, 1652.
Dogfish, 2406, 2409.
Fishing industry, 2369.
Herring industry, 2475.
Lobsters, 2388.
Marketing of, 2367.
Pickled fish, 1761.
Shipments to Great Britain, 2411.
Smelt fishing regulations, 673.
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Transportation and marketing of, 567, 636, 2364, 2420.
Government annuities, 1437.
Guysborough mail service, 2800.
Halifax
Exports and imports through, 3734. Military hospital, 2114.
Hjort, Dr., 1552.
Horses for war purposes, 418, 1162, 1379. Hospitals Marine. 2918.
Military, 2114.
Hudson Bay navigation, 2911.
Hudson Bay railway, 636, 3384. Intercolonial railway Branch lines, 850, 2468, 2774.
Pensions, 757.
Law, the late Mr. B. B„ M.P., death of, 591. Machine guns, private contributions for, 532.
Marine
Coasting privilege, 589, 1300.
Department estimates, reduction of, 2363. Pilotage, 2805.
Sick Mariners Fund, 753.
Vessels, Canadian, net tonnage of, 1163. Milford Haven Bridge postmaster, 2173. Mines Department expenditure, 2335. Minister of Munitions, 532.
Motor boats, 2804.
Naval service, 2545.
Navigation schools, 696.
Nova Scotia steamship service, 2849.
Oil, freight rates on, 3410.
Parliament buildings, reconstruction of 2834.
Pensions, Intercolonial railway, 757. Political patronage, 416.
Port Nelson navigation, 592.
Post office Expenditure, 2056.
Parcel post, 2735.
Revenue, 532, 2173,
Rural mail service, 2019, 2041, 2048, 2732. Printing, government, 3095.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2357, ^	2479, 2490, 2560, 2702, 2759, 2882, 2955.
Public works expenditure, 2815, 3155, 3322 3338.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4040, 4049. St. John freight exports, 3529.
Shell Committee, The, 420.
Sherbrooke mail service, 2173.
Shipbuilding, 709, 3122, 4058.
Shipping, total Canadian, 2175.
Soldiers
Letters, postage on, 532.
Punishment of, 3099.
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Taxation of profits, 2636, 2651. Transportation, ocean, 3122.
Trawlers, steam, foreign, 640, 641.
Victoria, B.C., rifle range, 1549.
West Rochdale postmaster, 1551. Whitehead, cold storage, 757.
Smith, Mr. Wm'. (South Ontario)
Horses, 672.
Loans to farmers, 933.
War stamps, commission on sale of, 546.
Soldiers. See Army.
Soulanges canal
Dredge, 1761.
Employees-charges of partisanship, 3231. Stone for, 1041, 1437, 1760.
Superintendent, 3408.
Souris rifle range, 2600.
Speaker (Hon. Albert Sevigny), rulings and statements of.
Amendments, 2238.
Consent of the Crown, 2316.
Election of officers, 3.
Explanations limited to a statement of the words actually used, 2241. Expressions, withdrawal of, 77.
Point of order, discussion on, 3621. Privilege, questions of, 556.
Reading of unsigned letter not in order, 2743.
Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of, 4087.
Subjects debatable by House, 3621, 3676.
Spirit river proposed forest reserve, 3529, 3883.
Stamps. See Post Office.
Steamboats. See Marine.
Steamship service
Canada
British Columbia, 2541.
New Brunswick, 2538, 2540.
Nova Scotia, 2537, 2540, 2847, 3554. Prince Edward Island, 536, 2851.
Quebec, 2852, 3100, 3134.
China and Japan, 2540.
Cuba, 2534.
Great Britain, 2530, 2537, 2538, 2540. Newfoundland, 536, 2535, 2537.	,
South Africa, 2536.
United States, 2541.
West Indies and South America, 2535.
See also Transportation.
Steele, Mr. Michael (South Perth)
Health, Public, suggested department of, 1065.
Stefansson, Expedition, 2914.
Stellarton, N.S., public building site, 1164.
Stevens, Mr. H. H. (Vancouver)
British Columbia, resources of, 3842.
Canadian Northern Railway Company, proposed loan to, 3839.
Capital punishment, 1965.
Enlistment of foreign labourers, 2145.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company, proposed loan to, 3839.
House of Commons-Saturday sittings, 3409.
Kitsilano Indian reserve, 2683.
Mining industry, 1885.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1442, 2230, 2486.
Railways, public ownership of, 3826.
Trade and commerce, 3002.
Post Office Department expenditure, 1882.
Taxation Apples, 1777.
Income, 1884.	,
Profits, 1882.
Vancouver Harbour, 1605.
Western Canada Telephone Company, 1889.
Stewart, Mr. Dugald (Lunenburg)
Fish, transportation and marketing of, 570.
Yarmouth public works, 1905.
Stewart, J. H.-automobile seizure, 1438.
Stewart, Mr. Thos. J. (West Hamilton)
Ontario, Niagara Connecting Bridge Company, 1891.
Sheffington, George, employment of, 1431.
Submarines. See NaVal service.
Summerside
Post office building, 2010.
Rifle range, 2010.
Sunnybrae, N.S., mail service, 1549.
Supply Bill (for 1917, $99,458,597.41). Res., 2664. lr., 2r., Com., "3r., 2665.
Supply, Committee of, 653-669, 686-716, 716739, 739-754, 817-850, 938-943, 956-989, 1309-1325, 1341-1385, 1386-1409, 14101432, 1590-1602, 1616-1646, 2016-2057, 2079-2111, 2115-2165, 2326-2346, 23612398, 2404-2421, 2428-2442, 2530-2542, 2569-2599, 2665-2690, 2716-2741, 27672798, 2808-2838, 2847-2878, 2885-2903, 2908-2919, 2956-2971, 3022-3023, 30353049, 3051-3074, 3074-3095, 3120-3143, 3147-3188, 3190-3214, 3214-3230, 33123344,	3375-3404, 3410-3463, 3502-3528,
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3534-3559, 3586-3616, 3021-3674, 38263863, 3863-3875, 3933-3942, 3943-3990, 4067-4074, 4079.
Surveys, 1320, 2428, 2901.
Sussex, N.B.-104th Battalion Military officer, 1161.
Sutherland, Mr. Donald (South Oxford) Experimental farms, 1405.
Flax industry, 1291.
Hogs, American, 2923.
Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway, 2445.
Taxation of apples, 1772.
War supplies-Irish stew, 2014.
Swift Current post office site, 1041.
Sydney, C.B.
Pilotage Commission, 986.
Postal revenue, 3561.
Taber Irrigation District Bill. lr., 2599.
2r„ 2806. Com., 2806.	3r„ 2841.
Talbot, Lieut.-Col. Onesiphore, duties of, 1325.
Tan bark, embargo on, 3022.
Tariff. See Customs Tariff Act Amendment Bill and Taxation.
Tar sand. See Mines.
Taxation, War.
Customs
Apples, 811, 899, 1008, 1016, 1022, 1092, 1130, 1217, 1227, 1764, 2305.
Farm implements, 4068.	,
Oil, 812, 899, 1009, 1018, 1227, 1796, 2303. Pearls and diamonds, 641, 758. Generally, 339, 1225, 1229.
Special
Income, 902, 908, 1025, 1086, 1884, 1982. Land, 829, 200, 2934.
Profits, 168, 813, 899, 1009, 1023, 1038, 1103, 1127, 1136, 1248, 1330, 1843, 1862, 1891, 1972, 1990, 2601.
See Business Profits War Tax Bill and Customs Tariff Act Amendment Bill. Taylor, Mr. James D. (New Westminster) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 384.
Canadian expeditionary force, 384. Canada's share in the war, 385. Conditions of military service, 385. Naval affairs, 386.
Purchase of submarines, 387.
British "Columbia affairs, 389.
Labour bureaus, national, 621.
Naval service, 386.
Submarines, purchase of, 387.
Taxation-war profits, 85.
Technical education, 55, 370, 535, 648, 1618,
'	1626, 1642, 2177.
Telegraphs
Bay St. Lawrence office, 1551.
British Columbia, 3318.
Cable and wireless rates, 672.
Government lines, 548.
Magdalen islands cable service, 759. Moosejaw, 3633.
Prince Edward Island, 3187.
Quebec, 3313.
Radiotelegraph service, 2888, 2908. Saskatchewan and Alberta, 3326, 3637. Steamer Tyrian, 1437.
Vancouver, 3634.
Wireless stations, 2909, 2913.
Telephones. Sec Telegraphs.
Temiscouata mail service, 2477.
Temiskaming dam, 2546.
Terminal elevators. See Grain.
Thoburn, Mr. William (North Lanark) Divorce, 779.
Shipbuilding, 4064.
Thompson, Mr. Alfred (Yukon)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 5.
Extension of term of Parliament, 6. Canada's productiveness in war time, 7. Financial and trade conditions, 7. Fortunes of the war, 9.
Principles at stake, 10.
Mining industry, 1878.
Ottawa military camp doctors, 1760. Soldiers, insane, 1664.
Taxation of profits, 1878.
Trade and Commerce, 3023.
Yukon, the, 938-943, 1310.
Thompson, Mr. John K.C., 78, 316, 921. See Davidson Commission.
Thomson, Mr. Levi (Qu'Appelle)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 458.
Commandeering of wheat, 45S-461. Foster, A. De Wit, 4075.
Grain congestion, 1711.
Loans to farmers, 680.
Moosejaw military, 1651.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors. 1479, 2557, 2883.
Regina military camp, 1808.
Wheat [DOT]
Commandeering of, 458-461.
. Free, 1062.
Thornton, Mr. Chas. J. (Durham) Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1482.
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Customs officers, 2169.
Post office
Employees, 1651, 1906, 2010, 2036. Revenue and salaries, 1651.
Tibbits, Archibald, employment of, 1439, 2176. Timber. See Dominion Lands.
Titles of honour, 457.
Tobacco. See Agriculture.
Tobin, Mr. Edmund W. (Richmond-Wolfe) Bromptonville mail service, 3562.
D'lsraeli government wharf, 3562.
Tonnage. See Transportation.
Toronto
American Club, wrecking of, 856.
Customs revenue and officers, 2169. Military buildings, 2837.
Postal station A, 2836.
Post office
Employees, 1651, 1906, 2010.
Revenue and salaries, 1651.
Railway terminals, 3414.
Tracadie
Harbour improvements, 1438, 3149, 3160. Lazaretto, 2800.
Trade and Commerce.
Agricultural products, export of, 345. Balance of trade, 890, 903.
Central America, 1653.
China, 344.
Commissioners and agents, 1653, 3022, 3551. Department
Estimates, 664, 2847, 3023, 3120, 3551. Expenditure, 906.
Exports to United Kingdom, 592. Publications, 2992.
Staff and salaries, 664, 3135.
South America, 1653.
Statements of Minister, 2989, 3100.
United States, 344, 2057.
West Indies, 1762, 1809, 1970.
Trade Commission, 4076.
Train service in the West. See Railways. Transcona railway shops, 636.	,
Transportation Ocean, 96, 232.
Admiralty transports, 1681.
Freight rates, 100, 116, 118, 1435, 2888. Harbour facilities, 741, 3100-3134.
Ships, 181, 638, 700.
See also Marine.
Panama Canal route, 4092.
See Marine and Steamship service.
Railway, 1306, 3980. See Railways.
Troops, of. See Army.
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Tremain, Lieut.-Col., M.P., position of, 1652. Trent canal, 1601, 2575.
Trousers, purchase of. See War Supplies.
Truax, Mr. R. E. (South Bruce)
Hanover public building, 1439.
Tupper, the late Sir Charles, Bart.-resolution of condolence on death of, 39, 582.
Turgeon, Mr. Onesiphore (Gloucester) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 178.
French-Canadians and the war, 179. Patriotism of British Dominions, 180. Conscription, 180.
Provision for wounded soldiers, 181. Extension of term of Parliament, 181. Bathurst harbour improvements, 3158. Breakwaters, necessity for, 3623. Conscription, 180.
Fish and fisheries Dogfish, 2404.
Lobsters, 2369, 2378.
French-Canadians and the war, 179. Hudson Bay railway, 3383.
Intercolonial railway Paradis, Mr. T., claim of, 2783. Phssenger service, 3419.
Rolling stock, 2799.
Navigation schools, 696.
Parliament, extension of term of, 181. Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2358.
St. John Valley Railway, 1944.
Soldiers provision for, 181.
Tracadie lazaretto-firewood for, 2800.
Turriff, Mr. John G. (Assiniboia)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 436.
The Government and the war, 436. Extension of term of Parliament, 437. Seed grain indebtedness, 438.
Canada's war loans, .438.
Expenditure for soldiers rations, 440. Medical examination of recruits, 440. Pensions to soldiers, 440.
Shell contracts, 441.
Expenditure on public works, 444. Commandeering and transportation of wheat, 445-452.
Agriculture Department clerks, 2801. Agricultural implements, duty on, 4069. Apple duty-Government official on, 1426. Army
Allowances, separation, 2924, 3098. Officers, training of, 3533.
Overseas forces, forwarding of, 3512.
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Army-Con.	Interior
Recruiting	Department expenditure, 2086.
Medical examination, 440;	Minister of, in Chicago, 756.
Unfit men, 3253.	Justice Department clerks, 2801.
Soldiers	Lands, western, survey of, 835.
Pensions to, 440.	Loans to farmers, 929.
Rations for, 440.	Macdonald, Rev. D. R., 3675.
Voting of, 3511.	Marine Department clerks, 2801.
Assistant Clerk of Routine and Records,	' Militia Department clerks, 2839.
1161, 4079.	Mines Department clerks, 2921.
Banks, taxes payable by, 2478.	National Transcontinental railway-Gov-
British Columbia, resources and progress	ernment operation of, 3985.
of, 3847.	Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Rail-
Budget, 1130.	way Company, 2463.
The duty on apples, 1130.	Nickel, exportation of, 1140, 1143, 1871.
The farmers and taxation, 1032.	Ores, refining of, 3031.
Extension of term of Parliament, 1133.	Panama canal, goods shipped to Canada
Government taxation proposals, 1132,	via., 4092.
1136.	Parks, Canadian National, 845.
Postal revenue, 1133.	Parliament, extension of term of, 437, 1133.
Economy in public expenditure, 1134.	Peterborough Review, statement of, 414.
Naval policy, 1135.	Political patronage in military affairs, 3542.
The Opposition's attitude, 1136.	Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 2234,
Taxation of profits, 1136.	2559, 2568, 2706.
The nickle industry, 1140, 1143.	Public Works
Germans in government service, 1142.	Applications for, 1807.
Buffalo, 845.	Department employees, 3155.
Cadet service, 3502.	Expenditure, 2812.
Canadian Northern Railway Company-	Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4028,
proposed loan to, 3579, 3657, 3847, 3941.	4120. [DOT]
Snow blocade, 2647.	Railways
Canals, patrolling of, 3591.	Department
Chief transport officer, 1903, 1969.	Clerks, 2839, 3096.
Civil Service [DOT]	Estimates, 3056.
Appointments, 4079.	Locating of, 2747.
Deputy Ministers, salary of, 659.	Mail service, 2023.
Enlistments from, 821, 824, 888.	Situation in Canada, 3988.
Customs-free entry of goods, 3646.	Train service in the West, 518.
Dairy Commissioner, report of, 1421.	Railway Commission, powers of, 2747.
Flax industry, 1293. Grain Congestion, 1712.	Ross, Walter T., release of, 2302.
	St. Peter's Indian reserve, 2944.
Freight rates on, 3063, 3072.	Seed grain
Transportation of, 2857.	Distribution, 2862.
Wheat	Indebtedness, 438, 511.
Commandeering of, 445-452, 3214.	Liens, 760.
Free, 793-802.	Shipbuilding, 706, 708, 2894, 3017.
High Commissioner, Canadian, office of,	Taxation
961.	Agricultural implements, 4069.
Home Guard, 3504.	Apples, 1130, 1782, 2314.
Homestead inspectors, 829.	Land, 756.
House of Commons	Profits, 550, 1136, 1870, 1976, 1984, 2649.
Sessional clerks, 2799.	Timber protection, 838.
Sherwood, H. C., appointment of, 4079.	Trade and Commerce, 3015.
Hudson Bay railway, 3376.	Transportation, 706, 708, 2857, 3118.
Immigration expenditure, 2109.	Vancouver munitions workers in England,
Indian Department clerks, 2800.	2743.
Inland Revenue Department clerks, 2544.	Victoria Transfer Company, 3144.
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Loans, 438.
Supplies
Clothing, 3592.
Orders for, securing of, 961.
Rifles, 3505, 3506.
Shells, 441.
Western farmers, assistance to, 3938. Wheat. See Grain.
Woman suffrage, 1200.^	,
Women voters in Manitoba, 2301. Unemployment. See Labour.
Valcartier
Expropriations, 1300.
Removal of refuse from, 2174.
Vale railway, 3024.
Valleyfield breakwater, 2694.
Valley railway. See St. John.
Vancouver
Customs officers and revenue, 1651, 2169. Post office employees, 1651, 1906, 2010, 2036.
Vancouver Harbour Commissioners Act Amendment Bill. Res., 1604. lr., 1606. 2r„ 2078. Com., 2078.	3r„ 2079.
Verville, Mr. Alphonse (Maisonneuve)
Aubrey, Napoleon, appointment of, 2300. Budget, 1083.
Jewish people, 1083.
The cost of living, 1084.
Taxation systems, 1086.
Soldiers' pensions, 1087.
Fair-wage boards, 1277, 1438.
Fair-wage clause in government contracts, 3622.
Feller, Camille, 2348.
Ice-breaker contract, 1440.
Labour bureaus, national, 608.
Labourers imported into British Columbia, 1329.
Lyons, John, employment of, 3881.
Mines Department reports, 2339.
Montreal customs building, 2175, 2476. Pensions to soldiers, 1087.
Reid Jack, imprisonment of for sedition, 2007.
Soldiers
Medical examination of, 4069.
Pensions to, 1087.
Taxation systems, 1086.
Technical education, 2198.
Vickers-Maxim, Ltd.-strike at, 1079, 1763. Vickers, Limited
Sale of ammunition to. See War Supplies, small arms ammunition.
Vickers-Maxim, Ltd. Strike of carpenters at, 1079, 1764.
Victoria, B.C.
Coal for dredges, 547.
Customs, 2169.
Dredging, 546.
Rifle range, 1549.
Post office employees, 1906, 2010, "2036. Victoria (county) N.S., Government telegraph lines, 548, 758.
Victoria Memorial Museum. See Ottawa. Victoria Transfer Company, 3144.
Voters' lists, printing of, 593, 668.
Wallace, Mr. Thomas G. (Centre York) James, Mr. C. C.-question of appointment, 2477.
Maclnnes, Mr. C. S., position of, 2923. Wallace Shipyards, Limited, payments to, .	1077.
War
British forces, 58.
British Navy, 58.
Canadian forces. See Army.
Censors and decoders. See that title. Conscription. See Army.
Contracts
Letting of, 161-167.
Political patronage in. See that title.
See also Shells.
Expenditure, 35, 36, 39, 58, 102, 138, 807, 1167. See War Appropriation Bill, War Supplies and Budget.
Fair-wage clause in munitions contracts, 1277, 1969, 3555.
France, fighting in, 1118.
French Government, horses for, 761, 950, 1041.
Frontier protection, 744.
Hospitals. See that title.
Imperial Munitions Board, 594, 804. Investigatins. See Shells and Small arms ammunition.
Inspectors of shells, appointment of, 143. Loans. See Finance.
Patriotic Funds. See that title.
Patrolling of canals, 3591.
Pay and Record Office, Canadian, 3023. Recruiting. See Army and Naval Service. Remount depots, 30.
Shell Committee, the. See that title. Transport, director of, 3096.
Trenches, methods for improving, 2922. Trench warfare, 2696.
Vancouver munitions workers in England, 2743.
Vessels, commandeering of, 116.
See also Transportation.
See also Army and Militia.
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War Appropriation ($250,000,000) Bill. Res., 3233. lr„ 3294.	2r., 3530. Com., 3533.
3r„ 3534.
War Purchasing Commission, 1441, 1907, 2695, 2801.
War Supplies
Alberta purchases, 3232.
Amherst Barracks, for, 2600.
Ammunition, 28, 71, 90, 106. See Small arms.
Bandages, 1354.
Bayonets, 1761.
Binoculars, 1353, 1716.
Blankets, 1436.
Boots, 172, 175, 1716.
British Government for, 957, 968.
Canvas shoes, 166, 595, 673.
Clothing, 1356, 3527, 3592.
Director of, 3096.
40th Battalion for, 1043.
Field kitchens, 547.
Fish, 1652.
Free entry of into Canada, 3645.
French'Government, for, 973.
Fuses, 252, 1345, 1502, 1546, 1552, 1735, 1741, 1749, 2274, 2514, 2979, 3097. See Shells. Groceries-British Columbia, 3097, 3733. Hay, 255-265, 320-335, 353, 392, 410, 530, 537, 1039, 1422, 2298, 2543, 2694, 2963. Horses, 30, 267, 270, 353, 396, 418, 542, 652, 672, 685, 761,	950, 1041, 1124, 1162,
1326, 1379, 1717, 2968.
Irish stew, 2014.
Issues of to Canadian troops, 968.
Kits, 2167.
Lumber, 1354.
Machine guns, 92, 111, 289, 2275, 3522. Private contributions for, 532, 2542, 3258, 3291.
Milk powder. See powder milk.
Motor trucks, 1345, 1358, 2978, 3676. Munitions.
Contracts, 235, 1277, 1969, 3555.
Credit to Imperial Government, 1810. Factories-labour in, 2549..
Imperial Munition Board. See that title. Inspectors of, 544, 2006.	-
Minister of, 532.
United States, 495.
Works Commission; 2841.
See Shells.
Oats, 2298.
Ordnance, 2799.
Overshoes, 673, 886.
Petroleum, 2648.
Picric acid. See Shell contracts.
Pistols, 270-274, 290, 1343, 1346, 1358, 2276, 2290, 2510, 2977.
War Supplies-Con.
Powder milk, 850, 1043, 2175, 3262.
Prince Edward Island purchases, 3406. Proof spirits, 2176.
Purchasing agents, 3528.
Remounts. See Horses.
Renfrew wool contracts, 1436.
Rifles
Lee-Enfield, 3562.
Magazines, purchase of, 1328.
Ross, 1347, 1359, 3505-3522, 4105, 4109. Southern rifle deal, 2286, 2981.
Russian Government, for, 973.
Shells, 74, 79, 86, 90, 143, 152, 154, 161, 175, 194, 221, 238, 279, 295, 405, 409, 420, 441, 494, 751, 803, 805, 1123, 1505, 1556, 1572. Advances for, 2979, 3097.
Boxes, 543, 2351, 2691.
Commission of inquiry Appointment of, 2920.
Resolution for, 1714, 1727, 2242; 2264, 2349, 2442, 2496, 2515, 2529, 3296, 3404. Scope of, 3404, 3464.
Statement by Minister of Militia, 2974. Shovel shields, 156, 1123, 1347.
Small arms ammunition, 2168, 2302, 2543, 2546, 2881, 3297, 3884, 3943.
Socks, 593, 887.
Southern rifle deal, 2286, 2981.
Trousers, 165.
Water carts, 537.
Wheat. See Grain.
Windsor, N.S., purchases at, 3407.
Water-powers Burleigh falls, 2583.
Control of, 556.
Investigation, 839.
Ownership of, 760.
Trent canal waterway, 2575.
Ways and Means, Committee of, 1275, 1230, 1764, 1843, 1862, 1891, 1990.
See Budget and Taxation.
Webster, Mr. John (Brockville)
Political patronage, 1363.
Weichel, Mr. William G. (North Waterloo) Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1470. Weights and Measures, inspectors of, 2475. Welland canal, 1600, 3454.
Wellington harbour improvements, 2169. Wentworth, N.S., mail service, 3353.
West Gore-Clarksville mail service, 2695. Western farmers. See Farmers.
West Indies-syrup shipment from, 1762, 1809, 1970.
Westover county telegraph offices, 2600.
West Rochdale postmaster, 1551.
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White, Sir Thomas (Minister of Finance) Auditor General, salary of, 658.
Budget, 807.
Revenue and expenditure, 807.
War expenditure, 807.
Loan issues, 808.
Outcome of 1915-1916, 809.
Economic conditions, 809.
Fiscal year, 1916-17, 810.
Taxation and loans, 811.
Tariff proposals, 811.
Taxation of profits, 813.
Future borowings, 815.
Dominion debenture stock issue, 816. Insurance companies-investments in Dominion securities, 815.
Bank loans to farmers. See Loans.
Bonds, Government, negotiability of, 660. Business Profits War Tax Act, administration of, 3638.
Canadian Associated Press, 3638.
Canadian Northern Railway Company, proposed loan to, 3345, 3563, 3648, 3830, 3964.
Civil Service-salaries, 4079.
Coin, American, 654.
Debt of Canada-interest, 654.
Dominion notes Advances to banks, 592.
Issue of, 1218.
Federal Plan Commission, 1603, 3136, 3641. Finance Department salaries, 661. Government expenditures, 39, 807, 2622, 3138, 4117.
Grain, transportation of, 3981.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company, proposed loan to, 3345, 3563, 3648, 3830. Immigration
Department expenditure, 2628. Inspection, boundary, 657.
Insurance comjjanies
Extension of charters, 685, 937, 1610. Investments of,'1611, 2400.
Live stock, advances on, 550.
Loans
Dominion, 659, 807, 811, 815, 1812, 1834, 2006.
See Budget and Finance.
Farmers, to, 674-681, 924-936, 1611, 3146. Munitions credit for Imperial Government, 1810.
National Battlefields Commission, 3141, 3148.
Nickel industry, 1867.
Paper currency, issue of, 1837.	[DOT]
Pistols, 2290.
White, Sir Thomas (Minister of Finance)- Von.
Quebec railways, acquisition of, 4117. Railway situation in Canada-inquiry into, 3986.
Rural credits, 2401.
Seed grain indebtedness, 513.
Shell contracts, 2496.
Sherwood, H. Crossley, appointment of, 4085.
Shipbuilding, 4061.
Taxation, war
Apples, 1764, 1791, 2312.
Income, 1982.
Land, 2001.
Oils, 812, 1796, 1806.
Profits, 813, 1330-1341, 1843-1862, 18641887, 1891-1900, 1972-1989, 1990-2006, 2469, 2646.
See Budget.
Transportation, railway, 3981.
Wheat, free, 861-874.
Zinc or spelter, bounty on, 2839, 3029.
White Phosphorus Matches Act Amendment Bill, lr., 989.	2r., 1493. Com.,
2r„ 3r., 1616.
White slave traffic, 981.
Whitehead cold storage, 757.
Wilcox, Mr. Oliver J. (North Essex)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 93.
Extension of term of Parliament, 97. Policy of Liberal party, 94.
Shell Committee, 95.
Transportation of crops, 96.
Gasolene, 885.
Naval Service, 1697.
Parliament, extension of term of, 97.
Shell Committee, the, 95.
Transportation of crops, 96.
Willson, Mr. Beckles, position of, 1326. Wilson, Mr. Charles A. (Laval)
Surveys, 1321.
Wilson, Mr. Fred. S., services of, 3353.
Winding-up Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1548.
2r„ 1616. Com., 1616.	3r„ 1616.
Windsor, N.S.-purchase of war supplies, 3407.
Winnipeg
Customs officers and revenue, 2169. Disturbances at, 2548.
Post office
. Employees, 1651, 1906, 2010, 2036.
Revenue and salaries, 1651.
Wireless stations. See Telegraphs.
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Wrecks. See Marine.
Wright, Mr. William (Muskoka)
Dredging, 550.
Flax industry, 1294.
Prohibition of intoxicating liquors, 1489.
Wright, Mr. William (Muskoka)'-Con. Public works, 550, 1905.
Soldiers, medical examination of, 4073. Wheat, commandeering of, 3206.
Yukon territory, 938, 1309, 1312.
Zinc Bounties Bill. Res., 3029. lr., 3035. 2r„ 3147. Com., 3147.	3r., 3353.