1904-07-05

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.: Before the Orders of the Day are called, I would like to ask the government when we may expect the report of the committee appointed to investigate the Treadgold concessions in the Yukon. There is some rumour in the press that instructions have been given to Mr. Justice Britton not to make any report at all. I assume that is inaccurate. At the same time,, it is desirable that the report, if it is to be forthcoming at all during the present session, should be before us at an early date. If I recollect correctly the statement of the Minister of the Interior (Hon. Mr. Sifton) about four or five weeks ago, it was that the report was expected early in July.


Rt. Hon. Sir WILFRID LAURIER (Prime Minister).: I may say to my hon. friend that my attention was called some time ago to a statement that was made in another place with regard to this report. I have not had an opportunity to speak to my colleague who made that statement, but per-Jiaps to-morrow I may be able to give the information to my hon. friend.



INQUIRY FOR RETURN.

Mr. JAS. CLANCY.: Now that the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir Richard Cartwright) is in his place, I would ask him when we may expect the papers that I have been compelled to call for very often with regard to the seizures of binder twine.
Rt. Hon. Sir WILFRID LAURIER (Prime Minister. I may say to my hon. friend that in the absence of my right hon. friend the Minister of Trade and Commerce I wrote yesterday to his department for this report, and I received an answer stating that they were working at it. but they wanted to get some more information on ihe subject 388
which was in the Department of Justice. That is the best ausvver that 1 can give.



BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

Wilfrid Laurier: I think the Minister of Finance (Mr. Fielding) stated yesterday that the Minister of Justice (Mr. Fitzpatrick) would take up his' Bill to-day to amend the Railway Act. But I understand the Minister of Justice is busy in the Railway Committee, and if agreeable to the other side, we will go into Committee of Supply and take the Railway estimates.


Robert Laird Borden: The difficulty about that is that several gentlemen who are desirous of criticising the railway estimates are in attendance on the Railway Committee.	_


Wilfrid Laurier: That difficulty can be provided for by taking up those items that are non-eontentious. We will not close the railway estimates to-day, and they can be discussed latter on.


Robert Laird Borden: That is very awkward.
.Mr. CLANCY. It is unfortunate that the House should be sitting when some very important Bills are now being dealt with in the Railway Committee. It is utterly impossible for members of the House t>0| give that attention they are bound to give; to the business of the House when the Railway Committee is sitting at the same time. Foa' my part while I desire to be in the House I am compelled to go to the Railway Committee.



SUPPLY.

[Stage Direction]
House in Committee of Supply.
["No. 35 (Mr. Smith, B.C.) M. to dsehg., 4214 (iil).\nSee ' Labour Union Labels B. 135.'\nVaccine Stations Establishments :\tRemarks\n(Mr. Kendall) in Com .ol Sup., 4162 (iii).\nVaccine used in N. W. T. Quarantine Stations: Remarks (Mr. Daniel) in Com. of Sup., 4150.\nVankleek Hill Mail Service, Complaints re, in Com. of Sup. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 5716 (iii).\nVentilation of House of Commons, Opening of Windows, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Taylor) 4416.\nVentilation on Strs. ' Livonia,' &c., when leaving Montreal :\tQues. (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) 4490 (iii).\nSee ' Budget, Mr. Smith, Wentworth.'\nVestibule Equipment on I. C. R. Cars : in Com. of Sup., 5937 (iii).\nVoters' Lists, Printing and Distribution : Remarks (Mr. Wilson) 4138 (iii).\nWalpole Island Indians, Survey, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Clancy) in Com. of Sup., 5855 (iii).\nWays and Means-The Tariff (Mr. Fielding) 4331 (iii).", " Further Res.: Presented (Mr. Fielding)\n5733 (iii).\nWeights .and Measures, Inspectors' Salaries : in Com. of Sup., 4042 (iii).\nWest Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. No. 80 (Mr. Oliver) : M. for Com., 4271, 4686, 4866, 5864 (iii).", "M. to ref. back to Private Bills Com.,\n5034 (iii).\nWestinghouse Brakes on P.E.I. Ry. Cars : in Com. of Sup., 5989 (iii).\nWestmount 'turnpike Trust: See 'Montreal,' &c.\t[DOT]\nWharf Repairs, Coast Service : in Com. of Sup., 5836 (iii).\nWhiskey purchased for Wolverhampton Exhibition : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4094 (iii).\nWilliam's Head Quarantine Inspection : in Com. of Sup.,4166 (iii).\nWilton Postmaster, Dismissal, Letters from Mr. H. Walker : Inquiry for (Mr. Wilson) 4827, 4927 (iii).", u" Cor., &e.: Read (Mr. Wilson) in Com. of\nSup., 5654 (iii).\nWindsor, N.S., I.C.R. Station Accommodation: in Com. of Sup., 5955 (iii).\nWinnipeg Dead Letter Branch, Salaries :\tin\nCom. of Sup., 5845 (iii).\nWinter Mail Service, P.E.I.:\tin Com. of Sup.,\n5289 (iii).\nWireless Telegraph Stations : See * Marconi.'\nWolford Centre Postoffice, Closing, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Lavell) in Com. of Sup., 5749.\nWrecking Investigations, Expenditure re :\tin\nCom. of Sup., 5258 (iii).\nYukon-Edmonton Route, Pamphlet issued by Govt.: Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 3942 (iii).\nYukon Ter. Act (election of council) Amt. B. No. 39 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 4003, 5194 ; 3\xb0 m., 5194 (iii).", u'\n Representation Act Amt. B. No. 118 (Mr. Casgrain) 2\xb0 m., 3994 (iii).', ' Remarks, 4723 (iii).']
Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.: The resolution under consideration is number 89, the Intercolonial Railway, and the item is ' To equip four passenger cars with Pintsch gas apparatus, $3,500.'


Robert Laird Borden: We have not passed the item ' Air brakes to freight cars, $25,000.'


Hon. H. R. EMMERSON (Minister of Railways and Canals).: The $385,000 item and the $45,000 item were allowed to stand until Mr. Pottinger furnished ns information.


Robert Laird Borden: When did we pass the $25,000 item?


Peter Macdonald: That was passed, then the item * To exchange draw-bars of freight cars ' stood over. Then the item * New machinery for locomotive and car shops ' was passed.


Mr. E. L. BORDEN.: I was not aware that the $25,000 item was passed. It does not make any difference, except that the chairman' should not mark an item passed without letting the committee understand what is being done. Information was asked with regard to that, and two or three gentlemen said :. ' stand,' and I supposed it stood: I notice that sometimes these items are marked passed without the committee clearly understanding it. There should be a thorough understanding between the chairman and the committee at all times as to what is being passed.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I understood that the item respecting ' New machinery for locomotive and car shops ' and ' Air brakes to freight cars ' were to stand for certain information.


Robert Laird Borden: There was information asked for with regard to both. I can look up the ' Hansard ' and find out what it is.


Peter Macdonald: I never mark an item passed unless the committee are agreeable.


Robert Laird Borden: The information can be brought down on another item.


Peter Macdonald: My clerk certifies that that item was passed. Some questions were asked in regard to it, but it was allowed to pass.


Robert Laird Borden: When an item is to be passed the question should be distinctly put to the committee so that every one may hear it, and that every one who has any objection to its passing or desires it to stand, may then speak. But that is not always done.


Peter Macdonald: I always ask ' Shall the item be adopted ? ' Then I pause for a moment or two to* see if any person objects, and if there is no response, then I declare it passed: Sometimes I may make al mistake.


Robert Laird Borden: Are we then to leave the items ' To strengthen bridges, $385,000 ' and ' To exchange draw-bars of freight cars, $45,000 ' to stand until we get information ?	[DOT]


Henry Robert Emmerson: Until we get information.


Robert Laird Borden: I think the Minister will find that some information was to be obtained about the item of $25,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have asked Mr. Pot-tinger for information. This present item ' to equip four passenger cars with Pintsch gas apparatus, $3,500,' is a revote. Last year $8,000 was appropriated for the purpose. The total estimated cost for equipping the passenger ears with this apparatus is $22,400. We are asking for $3,500 in order Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.
to equip four passenger cars this year. The total number to be equipped is twenty-six. Up to the 30th June, 1903, fourteen had been equipped, and it is estimated that there will have been six equipped to the 30th June last. Therefore, the estimated number that will have been equipped to the 30tli June, 1904, is twenty and the balance to be equipped after the 30th June is six. The estimated number to be done in 1904-5 is four, and after the 30th June, 1905, there will be two to be equipped.


Robert Laird Borden: How many cars are at present equipped ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are twenty-six altogether to be equipped. We have equipped twenty. That leaves six. We propose to equip four this year and two after June 30, 1905.


Robert Laird Borden: You do not propose to equip all your cars but only twenty-six ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Twenty-six.


Robert Laird Borden: How are the other cars lighted ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Very largely by oil.


Robert Laird Borden: American or Canadian ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I could not tell the hon. gentleman; I think very largely by Canadian oil. The Imperial Oil Company have the contract for furnishing it, and as it is a Canadian concern, I presume they are furnishing good Canadian goods.


Mr. ARMSTRONG.: Good Standard Oil goods.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Perhaps we will have New Brunswick oil supplied before long.


Robert Laird Borden: I am afraid that the hon. gentleman will be endeavouring to get the contract himself in that case. Are there no cars lighted with electricity ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No.


Robert Laird Borden: At one time there were. Was that abandoned altogether, and if so, why ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am told by the general manager that lighting by electricity proved to be entirely too expensive and that they required to use the storage battery, which had to be charged at certain points. The Pintsch gas was found to be much cheaper.


Mr. CLARE.: How many cars did you light with electricity ?	,
ill-. EMMERSON. We have none lighted by electricity now.


George Adam Clare: I understand you tested it. How many cars did you test it with ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I think about ten or more were equipped and lighted with electricity, but that has all been removed.


George Adam Clare: You say ten or more. It seems to be a remarkable thing to throw away money In testing so many cars, when with one or turn you could have tested it thoroughly.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That was the method of ligthing cars that was generally used. The Intercolonial Railway in common with other railways went into the lighting of their cars with electricity. It made a very excellent light, and was a very great success, but the only drawback was the expense of it, and after it had been used for some yegrs it was taken out. The system was removed' 'five or, six years ago, Ordinary oil was used and is being used as a substitute for electricity, but oil is being replaced as far as possible in all these ears which I have mentioned by Pintsch gas.


Robert Laird Borden: Might I ask the hon. gentleman to state the relative cost of oil, Pintsch gas and electricity per ear ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The general manager tells me that he has that information somewhere, but it is not available at the present moment. I can get it.


Robert Laird Borden: I do not want an absolutely correct answer. Could we have it stated approximately ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The cost of electric light is about four times as great as that of Pintsch gas, with the storage battery light that was used on the Intercolonial Railway.


Robert Laird Borden: And as between gas and oil, what is the difference ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Pintsch gas would cost about double as much as oil. One additional reason for using Pintsch gas is on account of the safety. The oil is very unsafe, as my hon. friend knows.


Mr. SAM. HUGHES.: When the minister says double the cost, I presume he means the initial cost, or does he mean the cost of maintenance 5


Henry Robert Emmerson: I mean the operating cost.


Samuel Hughes: The system of electric lighting used on the Canadian Pacific Railway and a great many American roads is a combination of axle and storage battery together. They sometimes have the dynamo in the baggage ear. Has this system been tried ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The system of generating electricity from flip car itself was tried in one of the cars on the Intercolonial Railway. That was tried very generally on the Canadian Pacific Railway, but they found it to be not in the interest of the road and they discarded it almost wholly, as I am informed. Certainly they have discarded its general use in the lighting of their cars.
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Robert Laird Borden: Do they use Pintsch gas all through ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Pintsch gas on some and on very many of their cars they use oil. I understand from the general manager that they have adopted acetylene gas with the Pintsch gas apparatus.


George Adam Clare: How many cars were equipped last year with Pintsch gas ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Six up to the 30th June of the present year.


George Adam Clare: What is the cost per ear?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The cost per car is about $800.


Robert Laird Borden: Have you to pay a royalty on the apparatus or what is it that makes it so expensive ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There is a contract with the Pintsch Gas Conpany and the apparatus is purchased fro: a them in New York.


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: May I ask what the hon. minister pays per gallon for the oil used on the road, and if the contract is let by tender ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The contract is let by tender, but I do not know the exact figures. Tenders were called for all through Canada.


Samuel Hughes: That is for illuminating oil ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes. The lubricating oil would be in the mechanical department and the illuminating oil would be classified in the maintenance of way department.


Mr. HACICETT.: How are the cars lighted on the P. E. I. Railway ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: By oil lamps.


Edward Hackett: Is it the intention to introduce the Pintsch system, which the minister says is so cheap and efficient ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It would be very desirable to do so and it would contribute to safety.


Edward Hackett: We have a large number of tourists coming to Prince Edward Island in the summer season ; they take the train at Summerside generally in the evening and travel to Charlottetown, and they should be afforded modern accommodation on that railway. I find it very difficult myself to read a newspaper by the present lighting system. Why not introduce the Pintsch system on this evening train between Sum-merside and Charlottetown ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We have the Pintsch system only on a limited number of cars on the main line of the Intercolonial Railroad, but now that the hon. gentleman has called my attention to this matter I shall be very glad if I can, to introduce the Pintsch system on at least one train on the Prince Edward Island Railway.


George Adam Clare: $800 per car seems a large price for introducing the Pintsch system ; one would think to look at it that it was not worth more than $150.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is open for you to tender and I will give you a show.


George Adam Clare: I suppose there is a patent and all that. If it costs $800 a car why does the minster take $3,500 for four cars.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are certain incidental expenses. I think the utmost care is exercised in the expenditure.


Samuel Hughes: What is your policy about introducing the Pintsch system in new coaches ; I assume that it could be more cheaply done when the car is being originally constructed ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: New cars are fitted with the Pintsch system, but the expense is very largely in the cylinder and because of the length of the route of the Intercolonial Railway we have to use large cylinders to store a sufficient quantity of gas.


Samuel Hughes: The minister might have 'a stronger tank and give the gas greater pressure.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That is also a question of cost and is as broad as it is long. We do the same as the other great railways and it costs us no more.


George Adam Clare: Last year you took $8,000 to fit up t.en cars ; how is it that you take more than $800 a car this year; are you paying more than last year ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The cost is the same this year ; the difference must be due to the fact that the work on the six cars was incomplete and the revote of $3,500 is to complete the ten cars as was contemplated.


Edward Hackett: The minister stated that they are now using the acetylene apparatus for the Pintsch gas. What is the difference between the two kinds of gas ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I think my hon. friend misunderstood me. I said that the Canadian Pacific Railway Company was using acetylene gas with a Pintsch gas apparatus, and that the Intercolonial was using Pintsch gas, with Pintsch gas apparatus. There was no question of acetylene gas on the Intercolonial Railway.


Robert Laird Borden: What is the object of using acetylene gas with Pintsch gas apparatus? Has it been demonstrated to be better in any way?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am informed that they tried it in a small way, and are now trying it in a larger way. It is a matter of experiment very largely, hut the results seem to be on the side of Pintsch gas.


Samuel Hughes: Which would be the more injurious, in the event of gas escaping?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have heard that the Pintsch gas is the safer and less unpleasant.


Mr. HAGGART.: What is the material from which Pintsch gas is generated ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is an oil specially prepared from petroleum.


James Clancy: Where do you get the oil for that purpose ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is purchased from the Imperial Oil Company under contract, after tender.


Samuel Hughes: The Imperial- Oil Company is the Canadian name of the Standard Oil Company, is it not ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is a Canadian company said to have some affiliation with the Standard Oil Company. I believe it is the Canadian Standard.


James Clancy: That is generally imported oil ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No, they have their refinery at Sarnia, I think. They import a certain class of crude petroleum which is not produced in Canada and which they blend with Canadian oils. I know they do that with respect to their lubricants.


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: The hon. gentleman must admit that the Imperial Oil Company is a branch of the Standard Oil Company?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The Standard Oil Company has a great many divisions. It is recognized in Canada as the Standard Oil Company of Canada, but I understand that it has a great many Canadian shareholders. In fact, it was a Canadian company consisting of Canadian capitalists, and it affiliated with the Standard. That is my information. I have no personal knowledge of the matter.


George Adam Clare: The hon. minister asks for '$35,000 for installing this system of lighting the cars and charges it to capital account. He has already charged to capital account the system which was used before. This is uot fair or right.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Mbst of the cars which have been changed in that way were lighted by the ordinary oil lamps. It is a good many years since the Intercolonial had in use electric lighting. Most of the cars in which that was used have since departed and have been replaced by modern cars. For instance, those used on the Maritime express and on the new Ocean Limited train, which was initiated this week, are all equipped as they are purchased from the manufacturers. So that it is only with respect to the cars which have been lighted with ordinary oil lamps and on which the Pintsch gas system is being installed, that we are charging the cost to capital account.


Samuel Hughes: Where are the cars made ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Some are made at Amherst and some at Cobourg.


Samuel Hughes: Are any imported ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, the sleepers have heretofore been almost wholly imported. I am in hopes, however, that with the completion of certain works in Canada, we shall hereafter be in a position to secure our pullmans in Canada.


George Adam Clare: 1 do not think the answer which the minister has given covers the matter satisfactorily. The electric lighting system, which was formerly in a large number of cars, was charged to capital account; and he is throwing that out and putting in this new system and charging the whole expense to capital account. This item should be struck out.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am sorry not to be able to satisfy my hon. friend. I am trying to give him the information as it is. When the electric lighting system was tried some years ago, it was merely an experiment. As it did not prove advantageous or economical, the department decided to change it. As the electric system cost four times as much as the Pintsch gas system, it is certainly in the interest of the country that the change should be made; and the other being an experiment, and this being an improvement, whereby a great saving will be effected, it seems to me that this should be charged to capital account.


John Graham Haggart: The hon. minister has mistaken the argument entirely. What he says and what the hon. minister says is that some of these cars were lighted by electricity before. That was charged to capital account. My hon. friend has no objection to substituting a better light, but what he is objecting to is that having charged the other to capital account you substitute another and perhaps a better light and charge it to capital account. He has no objection to the change whatever, but he asks why you charge it to capital account.


Henry Robert Emmerson: If it were tried as an experiment at the expense of capital account and it proved to be a failure and not in the interest of the road surely the revenue account should not suffer thereby. It has proved to be such a failure that it is practi-ally worthless and it should be a capital expenditure now in substituting Pintsch gas.


Mr. ROSAMOND.: Will the hon. gentleman tell me the difference in the capital account between the 1st of July this year and the 1st July last year ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I presume my hon. friend (Mr. Rosamond) is familiar with the capital expenditure up to the 30th June,
1902. The information I gave to the House last evening was that the total capital expenditure on the Intercolonial Railway up to the 30th June, 1903 w'as $70,523,360.43. If he will deduct $2,216,744.88 from these figures he will have the total capital expenditure on the Intercolonial Railway up to the 30th June, 1902.


Bennett Rosamond: What I want to get at is the increase in the expenditure on capital account since the 30tli June, 1903 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have not those figures.
I will get that information as soon as I possibly can.


Bennett Rosamond: The capital account is going on increasing from year to year while the value of the road is not increasing proportionately. A great deal of the expenditure, such as that which has been referred to by my hon. friend on my right (Mr. Clancy), ought to be charged to the ordinary7 expenditure for the regular running expenses of the road. But, the hon. minister, following the practice of previous ministers, has tried to make his deficit less by charging to capital expenditure what ought to go to ordinary current account. This is a deception on the public which ought not to be continued any longer.


James Clancy: The committee is somewhat anxious to be enlightened as to where the hon. minister draws the line, if he has any line to draw, between capital and consolidated expenditure. First of all I understand these cars are fitted with oil lamps. Next follows an electric apparatus and that is followed by lamps. I say lamps because the hon. gentleman says that it is some years ago since the experiment was tried. This has been followed by the Pintsch gas apparatus and he charges all of it to capital account. Where is the hon. gentleman going to end and where does he commence ? What constitutes the proper working expenses of the road if that be the case ? The hon. gentleman said that it was an experiment. Are capital expenditures to be based absolutely on the merits of the experiment, on what it may turn out to be afterwards? That seems to be the hon. gentleman's main excuse, for taking that course. I am sure that the committee is anxious, especially as the hon. gentleman has come newly into that department, that the country may know that the deception that my hon. friend from Lanark (Mi*. Rosamond) has pointed out consists in this: that the hon. gentleman is charging everything to capital account which has absolutely no value. If a failure, it is charged to capital account, when it should represent some value in the road afterwards. I am not going so far as to say that such a thing is possible always but that should be one of the main objects. The hon. gentleman unloads every expenditure for trifling changes upon capital account when the fact is that it should be

charged to working expenses. Perhaps the hon. gentleman will explain the multiplicity of transitions from one state of things to another wherein he is unloading all these expenditures on capital account.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is a much disputed question as to what should be charged to capital account and what to revenue, but I think I should take issue with my hon. friend from Lanark (Mr. Rosamond) when he states that the capital account has been increased and that the road is not increasing in value. I think it must be recognized that the Intercolonial Railway is very much more valuable this year than it was last.


Samuel Hughes: To the country or to the party ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, to the country and to the railway itself-a very much more valuable railway. When my hon. friend from North Lanark states that it is lessened in value I am sure he is simply making an argument which will not hold water.


Bennett Rosamond: I do not think I said ' lessened in value.'


Henry Robert Emmerson: I understood my hon. friend to say that. At all events he said that it had not increased in value. Perhaps those were the words he used.


Bennett Rosamond: I said it had not increased in value in proportion to the extra expenditure charged to capital account.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I understood him to make no qualification in respect to it. I dispute the statement. I say it has been increasing in value.


Mr. COCHRANE.: Why do you dispute a statement which has not been made ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: One at a time, please.


Edward Cochrane: I want to ask the hon. minister, if he will allow me, why he challenges a statement that my hon. friend from North Lanark (Mr. Rosamond) said he never made ? It is very ingenious but there is not much sense in it.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have not challenge.! the statement of my hon. friend from North Lanark when he says ' increased ' instead of [DOT] lessened.' I accept that statement; I am not disputing the thing ; I am simply pointing out that in my judgment the road has very materially improved by reason of these capital expenditures, because we have better equipment, we have larger engines and we have heavier rails. But in determining the question as to whether we should charge an appliance of this kind to capital account or not, I would ask my hon. friend from Both-well (Mr. Clancy) this question : Suppose that the road had been originally equipped with a certain cattle-guard, that that cattle-guard was becoming inoperative because of use, without being worn out or destroyed, that it was found to be not in the interest Mr. CLANCY.
cf the railway, that it had to be entirely discarded, that within a year after the construction of the road you substitute a modern cattle-guard, one that would be accepted, -would you charge the substituted appliance to capital or to current account ? I hold that if you charge the original cattle-guard to capital account the substituted article should be so charged also, because the cattle-guard is not replaced because of wear and tear, it is not replaced because of destruction by accident, but it is replaced because it has proved a failure, it having been an experiment, true at the expense of capital account, but the substituted article should also be charged to the same account. These are my views. I understand that this is a much debated question, not merely in this House, but in private corporations. Some hold one view and others hold another.
(Intercolonial Railway-To equip passenger cars with vestibules, $4,000.


James Clancy: The hon. gentleman ha3 selected a very extreme case.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is a parallel case.
Mr. CLANCY'. I will, however, take the case of cattle-guards which he has suggested. I imagine if cattle-guards were to be changed under existing conditions on the Intercolonial they would not all be changed in one year. They have been in use many years, and they have served a certain purpose during that period ; and what would follow in a business of that kind, as in ail ethers, is that they would be changed when they were worn out. There is a life in the use of a cattle-guard, and it must be changed at some time, even if it is not remodelled. Now, if you put in new cattle-guards, the most that would be charged to capital account would be the difference between the new kind and what the old ones would cost. Let me ask the hon. gentleman this question :	If a cattle-guard had reached the
stage in its history when it became dangerous to the road and needed to be repaired in the public interest, and when he proposed to put in a new sort of cattle-guard that had not been in use before, would he charge the whole of that sum to capital account, or 'merely the difference between the cost of the old cattle-guard and the cost of the new one ? To what account would he charge the expenditure in that case ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That is an entirely different case to the one under discussion.
T make a distinction as between a cattle-guard that became inoperative or worn out and another one introduced as an experiment. But I would call the attention of the committee that the item under discussion is for furnishing four passenger cars with Pintsch gas apparatus. These four ears today are equipped with ordinary oil lamps ; there is no electric lighting equipment. We propose putting in each of these four cars an appliance to use Pintsch gas. That is

the question in this item. It does not involve a substitution of Pintseh gas for electric light, but it simply involves putting an additional appliance on that car to enable us to operate it with greater safety and ad vantage to the travelling public.


Mr. SPROULE.: Are you not substituting one kind of light by another ! .


Henry Robert Emmerson: True, but you would not say that it should be charged to current account when you are only improving the character of the car. The question is whether you would deduct from that charge the cost of the oil lamp.
To equip passenger! cars with vestibules, $4,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is a revote. Last year $10,000 was asked for this purpose, and six cars were equipped. It costs about $1,000 to equip a car with a vestibule. We now propose to equip four cars, and four more in 1905. That makes a total of twenty cars, all that we contemplate equipping now.


Mr. LENNOX.: Is that done by day labour ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: By day labour in the shops at Moncton.


Haughton Lennox: Then how do you get the $4,000, when it is done by day labour.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The labour done in connection with this is charged up against this particular item.


Haughton Lennox: An estimate of the labour and the material used.


Henry Robert Emmerson: They keep a very' accurate account of the labour. A certain number of men are put on this particular work and their wages are charged up against the appropriation for that particular item.
Intercolonial	Railway-Additional sidings
along the line, $118,000.


Haughton Lennox: I would ask the minister to explain this item. Last year there was a good deal of discussion about a similar item and the next item, for increased accommodation and facilities along the line.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I do not think that this committee would want all these particular items set forth in the estimates.


Haughton Lennox: Speaking for myself I do.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It takes all kinds of people to make up the world and I presume all kinds of people to make up the committee.


Haughton Lennox: I appreciate that and that is why I asked the question.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We are asking for $118,000. There is a siding one half mile east of Christmas Island. This proposed siding is to hold 40 cars. It is a crossingsiding where trains can meet, and it is estimated that it will cost $4,000. Christmas Island is in Cape Breton.


Mr.   WM@: ROSS (Victoria, N.S.) It is just beyond the Strait of Canso, within three miles of the Grand Narrows, after crossing the bridge.


Henry Robert Emmerson: At Alba there is a proposed extension of a siding and it is estimated the cost will be $2,000.


Mr.   WM@: ROSS (Victoria, N.S.) That is In Inverness county.


John Graham Haggart: Will the minister give an estimate of the amount in each case and why it is charged to capital account ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: All of these sidings are proposed on account of the larger engines now' in use ; on account of the greater number of cars that we are enabled to haul the sidings have been found to be entirely too short for safety of the road, and for convenience in the moving of trains and it is found necessary to have these extensions.


John Graham Haggart: The minister said yesterday that he did not use the heavy locomotives and long trains in Cape Breton at all.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We are not using the heaviest but we are using heavier engines.


John Graham Haggart: You told the House yesterday that on the New Glasgow' and Cape Breton branches of the road you did not intend to make any changes because you u'ere not using the heavy locomotives.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I meant that the heaviest class of locomotives such as are on the trunk line between Halifax and Montreal are not in use there, but there is a heavier class than has been in use and longer trains are being hauled on the New Glasgow branch and the Cape Breton section than has been the case heretofore, necessitating extended sidings.
At Brierly's Brook, in Antigonish, it is estimated that the extension of the siding will cost $1,500. At Merigomish, in Pictou county, there is required an extension of a siding of 250 feet w'hich is estimated to cost $000. Between Glengarry and Hopewell they want a crossing siding to hold 50 cars and it is estimated to cost $4,000. At Lans-downe they require a siding to hold 20 cars w'hich is estimated to cost $1,500. At Rivers-dale, in Colchester county, there is an extension of the siding, 20 car lengths, w'hich is estimated to cost $1,600. At Stewiaeke, also in Colchester county, they require an extension of a siding which it is estimated will cost $300. At Brookfield, in the same county, there is required an addition to the siding, 3,000 feet long, which it is estimated will cost $6,000. At Hilden, further down the line, a loading siding is required of 14

car lengths. This Is estimated to cost $1,200. At Debert, in Colchester, there is an extension of the siding 1,000 feet long and an additional siding of 1,500 feet. One is estimated to cost $2,500 and the 'other $3,000. At Wentworth, Cumberland county, extension of siding estimated cost, $1,000 ; Oxford Junction, same county, extension of siding, $2,000 ; Salt Springs, same county, additional siding, $4,500 ; Spring Hill Junction, same county, additional siding, $5,000 ; Athol, same county, additional siding. $800 ; Memramcook, Westmoreland county, additional siding, $3,600 ; Petitcodiac, Westmoreland, extension of siding, $1,600 ; Quispam-sis, King's county, extension of siding, $S00 ; Shediac, additional siding, $2,500 ; Point du ChSne siding, $2,500 ; Catamount siding, $500 ; Coal Branch siding, $500 ; Adamsville siding, $800 ; Barnaby river siding, $1,000 ; Newcastle, rearrangement of yard and additional siding, $5,000 ; Gloucester Junction, extension of siding, $2,000. I have given the estimate cost in each case.


Samuel Hughes: There is a junction
at Gloucester.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Samuel Hughes: Hops the minister intend buying out all these branch lines ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I should hope that my 'hon. friend would favour such a proposition, but these sidings are not particularly des'gned for that purpose.


Samuel Hughes: If we justify the purchase of the one wtiieli the minister already contemplates, we would justify anything.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We will deal with that when it comes.


Samuel Hughes: You may be sure we will deal with it.


Henry Robert Emmerson: At Beresford, Gloucester county, extension of siding, $300 ; Belledune, Gloucester county, siding, $3,600; Jacquet river, Restigouche county, siding $3,600; New Mills, Restigouche county, siding $2,600. The Prescott Brothers are doing a larger business there and a new siding is required.


Samuel Hughes: Is there a large vote in the neighbourhood ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I don't know.


Bennett Rosamond: Are these sidings to be paid for by the government or by the private parties ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: These are government sidings. When sidings are for private individuals, 11)e private individuals pay for them.
a large business there, and would require a larger siding. Does that some person pay for any portion of the siding which is put up for his benefit ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The siding is not for that individual firm, but I know that the Prescott Brothers are doing a very large business there and I assume that there are also others in the lumber trade. If it went to ,their mill it would be paid for as a private siding.


Samuel Hughes: These are all railway sidings in the ordinary sense ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Samuel Hughes: 
Henry Robert Emmerson: I presume that would be to get the traffic for the benefit of the road. At Campbellton we require additional sidings estimated to cost $3,000.


Mr. BLAIN.: How much was expended at Campbellton last year ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Nothing. There was a vote last year but it was for the purchase of certain lands at Campbellton.


Richard Blain: The hon. gentleman is mistaken ; last year we voted $10,000 for a siding at Campbellton.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That was for the purchase of land for the siding.


Richard Blain: That is not what the minister said last year. He said it was for the purpose of putting in a siding at Campbellton, and that the engineer's estimate was $10,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That vote was used to purchase land for the extension of fihe yard and siding at Campbellton.


Richard Blain: Are we to understand that when we vote money for a siding and the minister states that the engineer estimates that it will cost $10,0>0, that you can apply that money to the purchase of a site ?


Samuel Hughes: To whom was this money paid for the purchase of the land and how many acres were purchased ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There was a quantity of land owned by the William Richards Estate, represented by David Richards ; they were very indepen lent decent people. A man named Duncan had a portion and Richards another portion.


Edward Cochrane: Why cannot the minister give us the details ? When this money is being voted to build sidings, the minister us that it is to be used to purchase


Bennett Rosamond: I understand from the Minister that some person was doing ' tells Mr. EMMERSON.

land ; and when he is asked how much land he wants to purchase, he turns around and asks the manager of the railway, ' It is a hundred feet long, isn't it ?' But nobody knows how wide it is. When the Minister of Railways and Canals or any other minister comes and asks for an appropriation, he should be prepared to give us the necessary information so that we can vote intelligently on the question.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am afraid my hon. friend is laying out a very large contract for me.


Edward Cochrane: Yes, to get much into your head, I suppose.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The item I was trying to bring to the notice of the committee was for additional sidings at Campbelltowm. it is estimated that we shall require for that wTork this year $3,000. As to the size of the land, that not being involved in this vote. I did not anticipate that any such ini-formation would be necessary. However, we shall have that later on.


Samuel Hughes: But surely the minister must remember that he came down last year and wanted $10,000 to build a siding, and he himself on that occasion arose and made a very important speech, showing that lie knew as little then about Camp-belltou as he does now. Surely he knows how large or how7 wide this land is, and whether it is worth $10,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have just stated that I will have that information brought down in detail.


Richard Blain: What is this $3,000 to be expended for ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is for the grading and the rails and the land which has been purchased. I will continue to give the list of sidings. Assametquaghan, siding to hold six cars, $700 ; Beau Rivage, siding to hold eight cars, $700 ; Causapscal, additional sidings, $1,000 ; St. Moise, siding to hold ten cars. $800 ; Ste. Luce, extension of siding, 700 feet. $1,500 ; St. Anaclet, additional sidings. $3,000 ; Rimouski. additional siding, $600 : Bic, extension of siding, $1,400 ; St. Fab ion. extension of siding, $4,800 ; St. Simon, extension of siding, $1,600 ; Trois Pistoles, extension of siding. $1,400; St. Eloi. extension of siding. $2,000; St. Ars6ne, extension of siding, $1,200 ; Ste. HSlene, extension of siding, $4,000 ; Cacouna, extension of siding, $350 ; St. Phillippe de Neri, extension of siding, $3,000 : St. Pacome. extension of siding, $600 ; Ste. Anne, additional siding. $4,000 ; Ste. Louise, extension of siding, $300 : St. Jean Port .Toll, extension of siding. $1,200 ; Trois Saumons, extension of siding. $300 ; Cap St. Iguace, extension of siding, $4,000 ; St. Francis, extension of siding, $300 ; Chaudiere Curve, additional
siding, $400 ; St. Jean Chrysostome, extension of siding, $400. This completes the list.


Mr. BELL.: Has there not been some agitation for increased siding accommodation at New Glasgow, N.S. ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That Is up in another way.


Samuel Hughes: Are there other sidings coming up in another way ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Not in the way of sidings but in the w7ay of terminal improvements at that point.


Mr. LOUIS LAYERGNE.: I would ask the minister if there is any appropriation for sidings in Drummondville, Quebec ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: This list contains nothing for Drummondville.


Louis Lavergne: There is another appropriation.


George Adam Clare: I do not know whether there are other stations on the Intercolonial Railway or not. The minister might give us a list of the stations that are not m this vote.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are just a few.


George Adam Clare: I would like to know how the $6,350 voted last year was expended.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The year only closed on June 30th and I have not that statement.


Mr LENNOX.: Does the minister mean that he cannot give the information ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Not at this time.


Haughton Lennox: We will have to ask the minister to give it. It would economize the time of the committee and decrease the cost to the country if the minister, when bringing down the estimates in each case, would read a concise statement to the committee and not have to have the information dragged out of him by a slow process of urging by members of the committee.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It would be a matter of physical Impossibility to secure this information this afternoon as the details [DOT]would have to be obtained from Moncton. Bear in mind that this vote was made last fall and that none of this work was done until this spring so that this work has been carried on during May and June. The details are kept in Moncton. I could give my * hon. friend the total up to the last of May. We had then expended some $29,000 of that
appropriation.


Samuel Hughes: Does the minister mean that these works are going on and that the department at Moncton prepares for the building of sidings and does not at once submit the estimates and plans to the department at Otttawa ? Does he mean to reflect on his officers at Moncton to that extent ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There is no reflection on my officers. The expenditure up to June 30th is not in Ottawa. The officials have that information at Moncton where the books are kept but the details will be reported here at the proper time, when we will have the information.


Samuel Hughes: How does the minister get the figures for the estimate if he has not the figures for the work completed last year ? Does he pretend to say that he has not the details of the expenditure of this $635,000 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I pretend to say that we have not.


Haughton Lennox: [DOT] This is a most extraordinary situation. The minister tells us that he wants an additional appropriation of $118,000 but he does not know how this $63,500 voted last year was expended. The estimates^ were brought down months ago and this information should be forthcoming. I am waiting for the attention of the minister.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I beg my hon. friend's pardon, I was listening to him.
Some lion. MEMBERS. Carried.


Haughton Lennox: I want those hon. gentlemen to understand that they have got quite enough to carry. when they come to face the electorate, without trying to carry any additional burden. I want to call the attention of the minister to this fact, that the excuse he made that the accounts could not have been returned from Moncton to Ottawa for his inspection, cannot be sustained, because we have here the estimates brought down months ago and at that time it was known that every dollar of this appropriation of $63,500 had been expended. Therefore it is a ridiculous proposition for the minister to say that he has not been asked.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Does the hon. gentleman mean to say that the items which I have read over in this list have been expended ?


Haughton Lennox: The minister has no reason to understand me in that way.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Does he mean to say that the items which I read over have been expended, and that therefore I should have H statement of them ?


Haughton Lennox: The minister must not suppose that I am discussing the question of appropriations for the coming year. I am dealing with what has gone by, and I am dealing with what the minister spoke about. I am dealing with the fact that he tells us, that there has not been any opportunity that it is mentally and physicially impossible for him to give us the information we ask because forsooth it is a local expenditure. It is not a recent expenditure ; it may Mr. SAM. HUGHES.
have been a rapid expenditure, as he says, it may have been a reckless expenditure, and we think it may have been an unjustifiable expenditure. We want to know when that money was expended, and where it was expended, before we can vote an additional sum of $118,000. That is a reasonable proposition, and a committee which would allow an item of that kind to pass without any information would not be justified in asking the people to support them.


Samuel Hughes: I think my hon. friend is asking a very proper question. We asked last year for a return of the places where these moneys were to be expended, we ask now to know where they have have been expended. I think the minister is bound to furnish the information.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I thought I had made myself clear. I stated that there had been voted last year $63,500 for sidings on the Intercolonial, and that we had expended of that sum up to the end of May, $29,000, the details of which I have not here in the department, but which could be procured from Moncton. Let me say that we will not receive the details of the expenditure from Moncton during the month of Jnne until towards the close of the present month of July. If hon. gentlemen opposite insist upon holding up this item until I can procure that information, why then, we shall have to wait for it. It is simply the routine of the department, it is the system that has been going on for years. The management of these affairs is all at Moncton. They keep the details, they keep the books, and the returns are made some time during the last of the month.


Samuel Hughes: When this $63,000 was asked for last year it was asked for on a certain estimate, was it not ?
Mr.. EMMEHSON. That is ancient history now.


Samuel Hughes: The hon. gentleman will probably view it otherwise before the session closes. We have been lenient to the minister, otherwise we would hold him up. When this $63,000 was voted last year on an estimate, the minister's department certainly knew where these sidings were that this money was to pay for. We want that statement now, we want to know where the money was estimated to be spent last year and how much has been spent at those places.


Richard Blain: That ought not to be difli-cult to tell, because, of this $63,000 voted last year, the minister states, if I understand him correctly, that only $29,000 has been expended.


Henry Robert Emmerson: 
Haughton Lennox: Perhaps if the minister will bring down at three o'clock whatever he can get, we may be able to go on.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have stated that I am told by the officials of my department that the information is at Moncton.


Haughton Lennox: So far as the minister has any information, let him bring it down.
At one o'clock, committee took recess.
Committee resumed at three o'clock.


Robert Laird Borden: What item are we on ?


Peter Macdonald: The item is :
Intercolonial	Railway-Additional	sidings
along line, $118,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I promised some information. I am now waiting for the officers to come up from the department. Perhaps we can go on with another item.
Intercolonial Railway-Increased accommodation and facilities along line, $65,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: A portion of this is a revote. The amount voted last year was $88,000 and the estimated expenditure was $68,000, That left, not required for 1904-5. out of that $88,000, $20,000, and we will require in addition for 1904-5 of $45,000, making $65,000 in all. Of that $88,000 voted last year $68,000 was required or will be expended.


Richard Blain: Perhaps the hon. gentleman will give ns an explanation of how the amount was expended last year.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have not the details. The accounts are not made up for the whole year, and most of this work was done this Spring, so that it is practically in the same position as the other. I do not think, as far as I have been able to glean from the records of this House, that it has been the custom of parliajnent to go into the details of the expenditure for the then #current year when voting moneys for the ensuing year.


Mr. BARKER.: There is one thing which has not been the custom of the committee which ought to have been the custom, and that is to ask the minister for the details of the expenditure he proposes for next year. We have become rather accustomed to general allowances or appropriations of this character, and it has been left to the department to spend the money as they please. I have no doubt the hon. minister, before he authorized this appropriation to be asked for, obtained from bis general manager a statement of every improvement and facility which he intends to make during the coming year and the probable cost at each point. I think we are entitled to have that, and it is very important in the interest of the taxpayer that wre should insist upon having it, because if we grant an appropriation for this purpose in these general words, there is nothing whatever to prevent the department from spending the money at any place they please. I have no doubt the hon. minister at this moment knows exactly where he proposes to expend the $20,000 remaining over from last year and the extra $45,000 he is now asking for. He must have had that from his manager before he authorized the application for this appropriation. I think we should have that from him, so that when the year's accounts come later on to be scrutinized by the Public Accounts Committee we will see whether the hon. gentleman has been spending the money for the purpose for which he asked it and for which w7e are in fact voting it. I would therefore ask the hon. gentleman to give us the various points at which he proposes to make this expenditure and the amounts he proposes to expend at each point. These are not items of ordinary repair or ordinary maintenance at various points. They are substantial items of expenditure for improved facilities upon the line. The hon. gentleman knows the stations w7here he is going to make improvements, how much he proposes to expend at the different stations, and that information w7e are entitled to.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The expenditures that are proposed to be covered by this $45,000 will be made at the iollowdng places : George's River, Boisdale, Shubenacadie, Iona, McKinnon's Harbour, Alba, Mines Road. Mulgrave, Afton, South River, Anti-gonish, Brierly's Brook, Marshy Hope, Barney's River, Piedmont, West Merigoinish, Woodburn 'Station, New Glasgow7, Glengarry, Lansdow7ne, Lawrencetowm, West River, Riversdale, Union Station, Valley. Hilden, Brookfield, Alton, Stewiacke, Shubenacadie, Dakeview, Fairview, River John, Wallace Bridge, Belmont. Nauwigewauk, Fol-liegh, Westchester, Oxford Junction. Brown's Crossing, Boundary Creek, Salisbury, River Glade, Petitcodiac, Sussex, Canaan, Rogers-ville, Millerton, Gloucester Junction, Bathurst, Nash's Creek, Chai'lo, Dalhousle, Camp-bellton, Thomson, Flat Lands, Assametquag-han, Ste. Flavie, St. Pacome. St. Romuald, Mitchell, Rimouski, Charlotte, St. Edouard, St. George, Quebec.


Samuel Barker: The hon. gentleman does not say how much he is going to spend at each of these points.
Mr. EMMER'SON. It is pretty difficult to give the expenditure at each particular

point, but the amount estimated by the engineers of the department has been fixed at $45,000.


Samuel Barker: But how did the hon. gentleman know, when he was going over these figures, that he was authorizing an application for a proper amount if he did not know what was going to be spent ac these various places ? We want to know that.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am asking for this appropriation on the advice of the engineers of the department, through the general manager, who have stated that they would require that sum of money to meet these requirements at the different points. I did not personally study it out in each particular case.


Samuel Barker: The hon. gentleman must see that with the information he gives the committee he might as well take a blanket vote of $45,000 to do as he pleases with. Under the information the hon. gentleman has given us, he can expend three times as much at one place as has been asked for and a third as much -at another. We are. entitled to know what the hon. gentleman wants to do with this money. He has mentioned twenty different places. I ask him how much his general manager has told him he wants for each of these places. I do so for these reasons : A few years ago we raised in this House and before the Public Accounts Committee the question of the departments spending money that was not authorized to be -spent. The Auditor General then said that he would see that it would not be allowed to occur again, but if we pass these general votes the Auditor General has no more control over it than have the members of this committee. The general manager should state to the minister how much he wants for each of these places, and then when we come to settle the question upon the accounts as reported by the Auditor General we will know whether the money was used for the purpose for which it is granted.


Mr. WM. ROSS (Victoria).: Suppose the expenditure should exceed the estimates by $4,000 or $5,000, what would be the result ?


Mr. BAKER.: If the Auditor General did his duty, as he desires always to do his duty, that account would not be paid.


William Ross: Then the repairs could not be made.
Mr. 'BARKER. The hon. gentleman has not been listening. We are not speaking of repairs at all, these are betterments to the line. The repairs are paid out of the working expenses, but I thiuk it is exceedingly probable that a great many repairs are done out of items like this, when proper particulars have not been given.


Henry Robert Emmerson: 


Haughton Lennox: In connection with the vote for sidings the minister gave us an estimate of what was to be spent at each siding, and that is what we want in this case.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I can give the estimate of the engineer for each of these places. Of course this is only an estimate, and as it necessarily would be subject to some variations I would not wish the department to be bound to the actual dollar. These estimates are mostly for extensions of platforms and in some cases for new stations, and repairs to stations. The general manager hands me a memorandum which shows the following estimates : George's River, $75 ; Bois-dale, $75 ; Shubenaca-die, $75 ; Iona, $75 ; McKinnon's Harbour, $1,200 ; Alba, $200 ; Mines Roads, $100 ; Mulgrave, $200 ; Afton, $75 ; South River, $75 ; Antigonish, $210 ; Briely's Brook, $75; Marshy Hop-e, $150 ; Barney's River, $100 ; Piedmont, $75 ; West Merigomish, $100; Woodburn Station, $2,500 ; New Glasgow, $200.


John William Bell: Is there anything more for New Glasgow ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Not in this.


John William Bell: Is there a dwelling house at Woodburn 7
Mr. EMMERiSON. Yes ; there is a telegraph operator at that point. Glengarry, $175 ; Lansdowne, $175 ; West River, $275 ; Riversdale, $275 ; Union (Station), $2,500 ; Valley, $275 ; Hilden, $975 ; Brookfield, $215; Alton (platform and station), $2,400 ; Stew-iacke (station) $1,600 ; Shubenacadie, $900 ; Lake View, $275 ; Rockingham, $250 ; Fair-view, $275- ; River John, $600 ; Wallace Bridge, $200 ; Belmont, $225 ; Nauwigewauk, $723 ; Folleigh, $75 ; Westchester, $380 ; Oxford Junction, $150 ; Brown's Crossing, $200 ; -Boundary Creek. $150 ; Salisbury, $300 ; River Glade, $150 ; Petitcodiac, $150 ; Sussex, $950 ; Canaan, $1,500 ; Rogersvi-lle, $S00 ; -Millerton, $300; Gloucester Junction, $90 ; Bathurst, $1,000 ; Nash's Greek, $390 ; Charlo, $1,000 ; Dalhousie, $1,500 Camp-bel-lton. $500 : Flat Lands, $100 ; Assamet-quaghan, $2,800 ; St. Flavie. $250 : Rimous-ki, $500 ; St. Pacome. $1,175 ; St. Romuald, $250 ; Mitehel, $1,000 ; Charlotte, $500 ; St. Edward, $500 St. George, $500 and $5,520 in connection with advertising, inspection and engineering.	.
Intercolonial Railway

New superstructure, Restigouche bridge, $46,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The appropriation last year was $123,000. This includes a revote of $36,000. We require $10,000 more to provide for the floor, a sidewalk, and painting, and also the inspection and engineering.


Richard Blain: What was the total cost ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: $133,000 would be the total cost

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Richard Blain: A year ago $183,000 was stated as the estimated cost. Perhaps the hon. gentleman will tell us wherein the decreased expenditure comes In.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is just for the superstructure. I think the estimated cost stated by my hon. friend included some enlargement of the sub-structure.


Richard Blain: The Finance Minister last year said :
The estimated cost of the steel superstructure is $163,000 ; for flooring, $6,000 ; for handling and storing, $5,000 ; for painting, $2,500 ; for inspection, $500 ; for engineering and other expenses, $6,000 ; in all making the total cost of this work $183,000.
Will the hon. gentleman state to the committee how the money was expended last year, under the different headings ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I find that I made an error in stating that the amount was $133,000. I did not take into consideration the expenditure in 1902-3, which will account for the discrepancy pointed out by my hon. friend. I think the amount expended has been less than the estimate of $183,000. There was an expenditure in 1902-3 of $40,817.43, and an estimated expenditure in 1903-4 of $S7,000 ; and the $10,000 and the other items make up the whole sum-a little under the amount stated by my hon. friend.
Mr. BARKER, I desire to call the minister's attention to the fact that he told us a few minutes ago that the extra $10,000 asked for this year was to cover painting, flooring and inspection. Now, according to his own statement, every one of these items was included in last year's estimates. How is it that last year, with this work nearly completed, we were informed that a certain sum would be sufficient, and now the hon. gentleman wants another $10,000 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I may say to my hon. friend that the work was not nearly completed last year. There were only two of the spans in recently, and the other three were under contract with the Canadian Bridge Company. But the total estimated cost of the bridge is correctly stated at $183,000.


Samuel Barker: The hon. gentleman has just told us that the estimates of last year covered the painting, the inspection, the flooring and everything else for which he is now asking the extra $10,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: My hon. friend misunderstood me. I said that we wanted a revote of last year's appropriation of $30,000. and $10,000 in addition, to provide for these several items which the hon. gentleman has detailed.


Samuel Barker: Does the hon. gentleman mean to say that he did not tell us a few minutes ago that last year's estimates did
not include these items ? I would like to know whether last year's estimates did include painting or not ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The total estimated cost was $183,000.	$41,000 had been expended in 1902-3, which leaves $142,000. According to the estimate, it required $142,000 to build that bridge when parliament voted the money last fall, but instead of voting $143,000, parliament only voted $123,000. T'hat would leave nearly $20,000 of the Estimated amount to be expended. It seems that we will not require that, but only $10,000 in addition to the $123,000.
Mr. BARKER, Does the hon. gentleman say that the $123,000 voted last year included painting, flooring and inspection ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I did not intend making any such statement, because it is not in accordance with the record. What I said was that $123,000 was appropriated last year. Of that $87,000 had been expended, or it was expected that $87,000 would be expended up to the 30th of June. That left $36,000, and in addition we are asking $10,000.


Samuel Barker: Will the 'lion, gentleman now tell us distinctly whether or not the estimates of last year included painting ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Tlie estimate did but not the appropriation. The esiimate was for $182,000, but the $123,000 voted was not sufficient to cover those items.
i Mr. BARKER. In making up the estimate of $123,000 last year, did the minister not then include the painting and the flooring ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I would not think so. I would gather this, that the department estimated the total cost at $183,000, winch included these items, but the $123,000 which was voted was not sufficient to pay for all the items. That entailed a revote of $30,000 and in addition we require $10,000.


Richard Blain: My hon. friend is certainly wrong if we are to judge by ' Hansard.' In last year's debates I find that the sum voted for Inlercdonial Railway new superstructure for Restigouche, was $123,000. The Minister of Finance said (see page 8304) :
$42,000 of this is a revote. The estimated cost of the steel superstructure is $163,000 ; for flooring, $6,000 ; for handling and storing, $5,000 :	for painting, $2,500, for inspection,
$500 ; for engineering and other expenses, $6,000 ; making the total cost of this work $183,000.
When the Minister of Finance was asking for an appropriation of $123,000 last year, he enumerated the items on which it was to he expended, and gave the items I tiave here.

Mr. {EMMERSON. That is not what the extract conveyed.
Mr. HI,AIX. If it does not, it must mean something different from what it says.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I may call attention to this fact. The item of cost of steel superstructure was $163,000. Then the Minister of Finance went on to state $6,000 as estimated cost of flooring; handling and storing, $5,000 ; painting, $2,500 ; inspection, $500; engineering and other expenses, $6,000 ; making a total cost of $183,000. That does not mean that the estimated ccst of these items is included in the $123,000.


Mr. CASGRAIN.: I would call attention to the condition of the station at Levis. The platform is in a very bad s'hape. It consists really of three or four boards and jiuany persons have to walk in the mud. The whole station appears unfinished. Is {there anything in the appropriation to remedy this ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Had my hon. friend been here, he would have seen that we have provided for all that in the estimates.
Intercolonial Railway-To dredging and blasting rock at deep water terminus, Halifax, $30,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: 
Robert Laird Borden: When this vote was before the House last year and also on a previous occasion 1 suggested to the then Minister of Railways and Canals that it would be desirable, if the traffic at Halifax! develops as I hope it will develop, to acquire the property south of North street along Water street extending as far south as Cornwallis street. I would like to ask the minister whether or not that matter has been under the consideration of the officers of his department ? I see an item further down ' to increase accommodation at Halifax $135,000 possibly that may relate to this purpose. If it does not I would like to discuss the question on this item.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The question which my hon. friend has raised is having and has had the consideration of the officials and also of the department. I have had the details of the matter under consideration for some little time and 1 can say to my hon. friend (Mr. R. L. Borden) that he will have an opportunity of discussing this particular


Richard Blain: item at a later stage. It is not included in this item and this has no reference to it, nor has the other item to which he refers. He will, however, have an opportunity later on of discussing the matter. This is simply for the purpose of dredging rock between piers 3 and 4 so as to give a depth of 30 feet of water. This is an important matter and the vote is required.


Robert Laird Borden: I may say that the present condition is not at all satisfactory as no doubt the minister knows. In the first place a portion of the highway is occupied by the track. That has reduced the width of the highway very much, has rendered the street much less suitable for business purposes than it was before, and has very greatly depreciated, as I am informed, the i value of the property on the west side of the street. The owners of this property some years ago commenced legal proceedings in the Exchequer Court of Canada for the purpose of recovering against the Crown the damages resulting. from that depreciation of their property. Under the law they were unable to recover anything, probably for two reasons, certainly for one. The Statute of Limitations was invoked against them as they did not bring their action until six years after the damage had occurred and in the next place they probably would have failed as a strict matter of law because none of their property had been taken, and therefore, under familiar decisions, they could not recover damages against the Crown for depreciation. Nevertheless it is beyond doubt that the extension of the railway lias caused some depreciation, at least, of their property. I do not know whether all the depreciation which the property has suffered is due to that cause but some of it at lhast is so due and when the property is taken over or expropriated, if that should be the policy of the department,
I think that the government should in all fairness take into consideration the value of the property of these people as it was at the time when the railway was first constructed along the eastern side of the highway, otherwise these people will not be placed in the same position, so far as compensation for their property is concerned, as they would have occupied if their property had been taken at that time undoubtedly that value was reduced by the location of the railway immediately opposite their property and in this way taking up a considerable portion of the street. I do not think, as I said before, that proper accommodation can ever be obtained at Halifax until that property, or a portion of it, is expropriated, and I should be very glad indeed if the minister would include in his supplementary estimates some item which will indicate that that is the policy of the department.


John Graham Haggart: What is the total amount which will be required to dredge out this rock and how much has been expended ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The total amount that will he required is $70,000. Last year $25,000 was voted and $10,000 was expended. We are asking $15,000 more and when this is expended we will have expended $40,000 odd. leaving $30,000 to be provided for in 1904-5.


Robert Laird Borden: Will this expenditure increase the accommodation at the deep water terminus or will it merely improve the accommodation which we have at present ? That is to say, is it designed to give greater depth of water or is it intended by means of this expenditure to accommodate a greater number of steamers than can be accommodated at present ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It does not increase the area of the wharf accommodation ; it deepens the water and affords accommodation for a greater number of vessels to lie at the pier.


Robert Laird Borden: What depth of water does it give ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is to provide for 30 feet.


Mr.   I@: Throughout the dock limits ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Within the dock limits.


Robert Laird Borden: How much tonnage can be accommodated there at present ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: One of the piers there is not in good condition, but this dredging will give 30 feet of water over an area within which five of the largest ships can lie at low tide.
Intercolonial Railway-Improvements at Little Metis station and diverting public road, $4,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Everybody knows that Little Metis is a favourite summer resort. The situation of the station was such that tourists getting off there, day or night, were compelled to cross the track, go away around, and then go over another level crossing, thereby increasing the distance to their destination and at the same time exposing them to a certain amount of danger. I am not personally familiar with the place, except by having seen it in passing' on the train. But to afford proper accommodation for the station, and convenience to the travelling public, passengers as well as freight, we propose to purchase some land near the main highway, and build a station on the same side, thereby enabling tourists and others frequenting that resort to get to that point with less travel and greater safety to themselves.


Charles Eusèbe Casgrain: Why was not this amount expended last year ? The minister says now this expenditure was greatly needed. At the same time he might tell us what the $15 was expended for.	.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I do not know that X am familiar with the expenditure of the $15. But my hon. friend is probably aware of the fact that the people who frequent that resort live on the shore in one parish, and that the people residing near the station, or on the land where the station is situated, are in another parish. It was proposed by the railway officials that the municipality at the station should give a right of way, recognizing as the officials did that this would be of advantage to the place and an advantage to that municipality as well. But the municipality did not see it in that light, and therefore negotiations took place between the department and the representatives of the municipality, with the result that we could not agree. The matter was flnally referred to myself, and I decided that it should not be delayed any longer, that it should be determined, and that if these people would not provide the right of way the railway should provide it.


Charles Eusèbe Casgrain: Can my hon. friend give some details of the negotiations that were carried on between the municipal councils and the Railway Department ? I think that the municipality where the strangers go in summer is St. Octave, and the station is called Little Mfitis. Now' with which municipal council w'as the department negotiating with, and what steps were taken to reach a solution of the difficulty ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I think the land which the road traverses is in St. Octave and the other is Little Metis. A dispute arose between the officials of St. Octave and the Railway Department, and not w'ith the people of Little Metis. The latter were very anxious to have it, but they felt that the St. Octave people should provide the right of wTay.


Charles Eusèbe Casgrain: Would my hon. friend give some details of the negotiations that w-ere carried on w'ith the municipal council of St. Octave ? Where did they break off ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The negotiations with St. Octave were carried on through the mayor of Little Metis, Mr. Ferguson, I think his name is. The negotiations were carried on through him, with the result that certain resolutions w-ere passed by the municipalities respectively. These came before the officials, but with no result. Nothing having been done, the matter was recently referred to me, and we concluded that we had better end the strife and change the road in the interest of the travelling public and of the rallw'ay.


Charles Eusèbe Casgrain: I suppose that if there are no elections held this year we will revote this sum next year.
Intercolonial Railway-New station at Windsor, N.S., &e., $10,000.


Haughton Lennox: We want an explanation of this. Last year the item for this station read as follows :

New station at Windsor, N.S., provided that the railway companies using the station make arrangements satisfactory to the Governor in Council for payment by way of interest or rental of a reasonable proportion of the cost, $10,000. .


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is simply a revote. There was some questions as to the company entering into a suitable arrangement with respect to the use of the station. But in the meantime the necessity for a station at Windsor is very great.


Samuel Hughes: Who occupies this station ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are only two roads that occupy it, the Dominion Atlantic and the Midland. The Intercolonial owns the Windsor branch, but it is under lease to the Dominion Atlantic.


Robert Laird Borden: When the vote is not accompanied with the qualification which is to be observed in the estimate of last year, that would seem to indicate either that the qualification has been abandoned, or that satisfactory arrangements have been made. Which alternative does the minister present to us ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I do not wish to have it understood that the Intercolonial abandons the position it has taken with respect to this matter. But I think it is fair to place the railway management in a position whereby, if the conditions absolutely require it, they may provide station accommodation there without being subjected to any hindrance from any other quarter. But so far as the attitude of the Intercolonial is concerned in relation to this matter, and with regard to the Dominion Atlantic, the Intercolonial does not recede one iota from the attitude which it has held heretofore.


Haughton Lennox: Although the vote is not accompanied with any condition such as we had last year, we understand that the policy of the department appears to be in the same position as ir was last year. Is that right ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That is the view which the department feels called upon to take.


Robert Laird Borden: Absolutely the whole amount is being revoted this year. Would the hon. minister state why a portion of it has not been expended and also give us an idea of the total cost of the proposed work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are two reasons why this work was not commenced. One was the lateness of the season at which the vote was passed. It was not desirable that the work should be commenced late last fall. Another was that no arrangement had been made with the Dominion Atlantic, and Intercolonial Railway was not disposed to recede from its position. As to the total cost it is supposed that $10,000 will provide a suitable station at that place.


Haughton Lennox: 


John William Bell: What do the Midland Railway Company pay for the use of that station ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: They do not pay the Intercolonial Railway anything. They pay the Dominion Atlantic.
Mr. R, L. BORDEN. The length of the session last year has been put forward by the hon. minister as a reason for not proceeding with some of these works which were described as very urgent and necessary. For example we were told last year that the present station at Windsor was so absolutely inadequate that it should not be taken into consideration in determining whether or not this expenditure should all be charged to capital account. If that be the correct position it must be a very poor station indeed. My recollection is that in August or early in September, we voted one fifth of every item in the estimates without discussion in order that the business of the country might not be hindered and that the construction of these public works might not be delayed. Yet we are told by the hon. minister that the length of the session has prevented anything whatever from being done. I would like some explanation of that.


Henry Robert Emmerson: While it is true there was a vote of a certain percentage, it was for the purposes of the financial department rather than for the purposes of any of the special departments of government and not having reference to the arrangement of work. While that is true, several departments of the government could not very well understand what should be done until these special votes went through parliament. The Intercolonial officials acted upon that principle. Unfortunately the general manager was obliged to be here the greater jtor-tion of the year until the latter end of October, and some of the engineers were here also in connection with the estimates before parliament. Then it was about the 1st of November before any of this work could be mapped out and arrangements made for it, and they found that to be entirely too late. The enhanced cost of doing work at that season of the year justifies delay where possible. But, a very strong element in respect to this Windsor Station I am bound to say was what was deemed to be the unfair position-perhaps I should not use that word certainly what was deemed to be a position that was not in harmony with what the Intercolonial Railway wanted-taken by the Dominion Atlantic Company. The negotiations have not been satisfactory. I do not speak personally in respect to the matter never having been drawn into it, but the general manager has felt that they were not willing to meet the Intercolonial Railway in the way they should.


Robert Laird Borden: The Dominion At-1 lantic has a lease from the government of
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the line from Windsor Junction to Windsor and also a lease of running powers. from Windsor Junction to Halifax, as I understand it, and the rental is based on a certain proportion of the gross earnings. As a part of the terms of the lease the government is required to maintain the road. I suppose the maintenance of the road will involve the keeping up of the station. I do not know in what way the Dominion Atlantic is brought into the question as far as that station at Windsor is concerned. Of course, I recognize that at Windsor the line owned by the Dominion Atlantic joins the line owned by the Crown and which is leased to the Dominion Atlantic. Possibly that may bring the Dominion Atlantic into the question of the erection of a station. Nevertheless, if the station is to be constructed on the land of the Crown, and is to remain the property of the Crown and is to be included in the lease of the Crown to the Dominion Atlantic Railway Company, it seems difficult to understand why there should be any delay on account of the action or want of action of the Dominion Atlantic Railway Company.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is a question of the interpretation of the contract or lease. The department has held heretofore that there was a difference between maintenance and improvements. The position taken by the Railway Department during a number of years passed, as I am informed by the general manager, is that the terms of the lease do not require the Intercolonial Railway to make improvements. The department has felt that the Dominion Atlantic should contribute or enter into some arrangement, whereby, if an additional amount were expended.' it should contribute in some way to that expenditure.
Intercolonial Railway-To increase accommodation, Amherst, ?15,000.


Haughton Lennox: This is a new item. Would the hon. minister give us some explanation of that ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is for general work, enlarging the yard and providing additional sidings. As any one who is familiar at all with Amherst knows the railway accommodation there is confined to a very restricted area. Rhodes, Curry & Co., have their works right on the margin of the road and there is a congestion of sidings, freight sheds and passenger accommodation. It is difficult to even properly utilize the land which is there now, but it is absolutely necessary that some arrangement should be made in respect to the sidings. The growth of traffic at Amherst during the past few years has been phenomenal and it behooves the railway to provide suitable accommodation.


Robert Laird Borden: What is the scheme
__t0 acquire more land or utilize the land
you already have ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: To utilize the land we already have. The total cost of this particular work is $15,000.


Robert Laird Borden: This vote will complete the whole work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: This will complete the work on hand, but it is estimated that it will require about $70,000 altogether before the general and necessary improvements are made at Amherst.


Haughton Lennox: What is to be done with this $15,000 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: To enlarge the yard and provide additional sidings ; improve and level lumber yards ; grade the grounds ; enlarge cattle pens ; provide two additional standpipes including waterpipes and connections, and to improve and enlarge the station.


John Graham Haggart: Surely there must be an end to this enormous expenditure. Has the minister no pity for the poor ratepayers of Canada-asking $1,651,000 on capital account this year ; a deficit on the running account of the Intercolonial Railway for ten months of last year of $545,000 ; a charge on capital account for ten months of $1,000,000 ; a charge on capital account on the Prince Edward Island road of $6,000 or $7,000, and we do not know what the deficit on the Prince Edward Island road is ? Here is a total deficit including capital account on these two railways of nearly $2,500,000 ; this notwithstanding that $23,000,000 has been spent on the road since 1896, and the minister coolly comes down and asks for a further expenditure on capital account of $1,651,000.


Mr. CAMPBELL.: We don't want any more government roads.


John Graham Haggart: Not if they are managed as the Intercolonial Railway is. M by are you asking for this enormous expenditure ? You should ask for nothing this year except for what is absolutely necessary for the road. Is the House going to submit to this ; is the country going to submit to it; and especially as I am reminded by an lion, friend that you are going to build another line from the Atlantic to the Pacific ?


Peter Macdonald: Carried.


John Graham Haggart: 
Henry Robert Emmerson: I am sorry to have harrowed the feelings of my hon. friend. There is one way we can obviate this expenditure and that is to leave the Inter? colonial Railway in the conditon in which it was in 1895-6. We could allow the road to run down ; we could allow its cars to



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rattle along and the trains to run In a go-as-you-please-manner ; and we could permit the road-bed to get into a condition which [DOT]would not be creditable to us. But in order to keep it up to its present efficiency ; and in order to provide accommodation all along the road and to meet the demands of the traffic ; we have to make this expenditure. For instance there is no more thriving town in this Dominion than the town of Amherst. There is no place where the manufacturers are progressing and advancing to a greater extent. I do not happen to have the honour of representing the town ; it is very worthily represented by my hon. friend from Cumberland (Mr. Logan) whose modesty will not permit him to mention his own name.
Samuel Hughes: Or come ba'ck to the House.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Don't be alarmed about that. My hon. friend (Mr. Logan) will come back to the House and continue to worthily represent the countv of Cumberland.


Mr. HENDERSON.: Where is Amherst ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Just outside of Hal-ton. Halton covers most of the earth and Amherst is included in what is left on the fringe. The trade of the Intercolonial Railway demands this vote, and I do not think there is any occasion for the outburst of my hon. friend (Mr. Haggart), but probably he was not as serious as he looked. I trust he will feel that we are doing our best for the Intercolonial Railway
account, just after there has been a deficit of $1,700,000.


Mr. LOGAN.: It is delicious to hear my hon. friend (Mr. Haggart) speaking in this manner about the Intercolonial Railway. We will be coming pretty soon to the estimates for canal expenditure, and let me tell the hon. gentleman that we in the maritime provinces not only paid our share for these canals, but we have cheerfully and wullingly agreed that the canals of this country should be as free to navigation as is the ocean itself. Now, the hon. minister is endeavouring to improve the Intercolonial Railway. Everybody who has travelled in the maritime provinces knows that in 1896 the railway was almost producing grass on its roadbed. To-day it is being made an up-to-date road. The item under discussion is for increased accommodation for the town of Amherst. I may say that the freight receipts of the town of Amherst, when the hon. gentleman (Mr. Haggart) was Minister of Railways, amounted to less than $75,000, whereas this year they have amounted to $247,000. Are we to mark time ? Are the accommodations for freight that only brings $75,000 to be equal to the accommodations for freight that brings a quarter of a million ? The industries of the town of Amherst have developed with remarkable strides under the present administration and the present tariff. Take one industry alone, in the vicinity of the station. The firm of Rhodes, Curry & Co. in 1896 was doing a business of only $425,000 a year, and employed less than 300 men. Last year the same firm did a business of $2,700,000 and employed 900 men in their home


John Graham Haggart: The Minister of Railways seems to think that this is quite a light affair. Here you have an annual loss of $2,300,000 on the Intercolonial Railway and Prince Edward Island Railroad, an expenditure of $23,000,000 since 1896 for the purpose of making it a paying concern, and instead of that it is falling back each year. Let me tell the hon. gentleman that It was not a rattletrap road in 1896. The road was kept in excellent condition in 1896. Every dollar that was required to be spent was spent on it; the instructions were to keep it in first class order, and it was delivered over to the Liberal government in first class condition. We built this road for the benefit of the mariT time provinces, and I hope for our own benefit. We do not expect to make any profit out of it; we look upon it. as the minister said, as a free gift to the people. But, we do not want to see this extravagant and useless expenditure made on it. And notwithstanding the $23,000,000 which the road has cost since 1896, and all the deficits on its working, we have the minister coming here with a glib tongue and asking for $1,900,000 this year on capital Mr. EMMERSON.
manufactory, and 400 or 500 in other places. The country is growing, as the hon. gentleman should realize, and the accommodation at Amherst is absolutely inadequate to the needs of the manufacturers, shippers and merchants of that town. Our freight has been lying on the sidewalks for want of room in the freight sheds ; our sidings have been jammed full of cars, with insufficient [DOT]means for shunting ; and the hon. minister is doing only the proper thing, which should have been done three years ago, in providing this increased accommodation. I am glad to hear the statement that the scheme is maturing for expending $70,000 for the accommodation for a place' which, if it keeps on growing, as it is now, will be a city in four or five years.


John Graham Haggart: The remarks I made had reference, not to Amherst, but to the whole vote.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The greater includes the less.


John Graham Haggart: Yes, the greater includes the less. I am delighted, as everyone else must be. at the increased business at Amherst. We avish the whole business of the Intercolonial Railway would in-

crease at a like rate, and that there would be an end to the deficits. The hon. minister will not increase the rates on the road ; he says the people of the country will not submit to any increase. We have, then, to submit patiently to a loss of between $2,000,000 and $2,500,000 a year for the purpose of keeping the Intercolonial Railway running. That railway could be run without any loss whatever, and kept up to its present standard. These expenditures for sidings, deep water termini, and many other things are interminable, and are not justifiable at all. The whole surplus earnings of the Dominion government up to last year were expended on the extension of the Intercolonial Railway to Montreal, and the payment of the deficits. The fact of the matter is that between $22,000,000 and $23,000,060 has been expended from 1896 up to last year on the Intercolonial Railway. Nearly all the surpluses of the government up to last year were dropped into that sinkhole. Last year the amount on the Intercolonial alone was $2,300,000, and this year it is $1,800,000. I do not know what it is on the other roads.


Mr. BROCK.: The remarks of the hon. member for Cumberland (Mr. Logan) discredited the management of that road more than anything that has been said on this side of the House. He speaks of the enormous increase that has taken jfiace ,n the receipts at the town of Amherst. If there is anything like that increase in the earnings of the road, that fact is a great condemnation of its management generally. There must be something radically wrong with it. Either they are carrying freight and passengers at altogether too little, or it is costing a great deal too much to carry them. Hon. gentlemen must take either horn of the dilemma. They cannot keep on bragging that they are increasing the traffic of that road unless they show that they are getting a little nearer to making it self-supporting. The hon. member for South Lanark (Mr. Haggart) has often stated in this House that that road could be made self-sustaining. If the same rates were charged on the Intercolonial that are charged on other roads In this country, we would not have the tremendous deficits which we are confronted with from year to year. If the hon. member for Cumberland would try to help the government instead of criticising them so severely as he has done to-day, he might do some good. The statement that that road was in a ramshacle condition in 1895-96 is not in accordance with the facts. Compared with other roads at that time, it was pronounced by eminent engineers to be the best road in the country.


Hance James Logan: Will the hon. gentleman name the eminent engineers ?


William Rees Brock: It is not necessary. The deputy minister will know very well who the eminent engineers are. I state as a 189*
fact that that road, in its roadbed and its equipment, was the best road in the country at that time ; and in that shape it was handed over to the present government Yet hon. gentlemen opposite, when they were on this side of the House, condemned the late government for their expenditures on the road. There is a grave suspicion that the Intercolonial Railway is doing business largely for the benefit of the local traffic, at a very low rate, and that that low rate is the reason for the very serious deficits which occur year after year. Now that the present Minister of Railways and Canals has taken charge, we have a right to expect much better things from his great experience in these matters. If he will see that proper rates are charged, some of these deficits might be saved to the country.


Robert Laird Borden: So far as this particular item is concerned, I regard it as perhaps less subject to criticism than any other item among those we are discussing. The itown of Amherst undoubtedly has made very great progress during the last ten years. I would not be inclined to attribute that progress exactly to the causes mentioned by my hon. friend from Cumberland (Mr. Logan). I would attribute it rather to the business enterprise of the people, and their great capacity in developing their industries. I believe the town of Amherst has almost doubled its population, perhaps quite doubled it, within the time 1 have mentioned. Undoubtedly the output of the manufacturing establishments of the town has enormously increased during that period ; but that is owing to the general prosperous conditions which have prevailed throughout the world, and more especially to the remarkable ability and enterprise of the people who are engaged in those enterprises in that particular town. I believe the accommodation at Amherst is inadequate at the present time, and I for one am very glad indeed to support the vote of $15,000 for giving better accommodation. Not only is there the great manufacturing establishment of Rhodes, Curry & Co., but half a dozen others which might be named. There are the Robb Manufacturing Company, which manufactures engines of all kinds, the Amherst Boot and Shoe Company, and a number of other enterprising and prosperous concerns, which are continually turning in very large amounts of freight to the Intercolonial Railway.
Undoubtedly if the traffic along the whole route of the Intercolonial had developed in anything like the proportion shown in the town of Amherst, there would be a very different condition of affairs presented from that which the hon. minister submits to us. I believe that fihe road should be kept up to a very high standard, and when my hon. friend from Cumberland says it Was not so kept up in days gone by, he probably forgets that when we purchased the Drummond County Railway, some two years after the

present government came into power, the Intercolonial was held up as a standard of the highest excellence, and the argument used was that the Drummond County road, with a comparatively small expenditure, could be brought up to the standard of the Intercolonial.
; Mr. LOGAN. That is the standard of the roadbed.


Frederick William Borden: It is of that I was speaking. Improvements undoubtedly have been made in the car service, and we on this side have supported the government in making those improvements.


Mr. KENDALL.: I would like to point out the fact that the Intercolonial is seriously discriminated against in the purchase of its coal. Tlie Canadian Pacific Railway and the Grand Trunk Railway purchase their coal delivered in Montreal cheaper than the Intercolonial can purchase its coal in Sydney, Pictou and Cumberland. The local consumers in eastern Canada are likewise discriminated against. There is certainly a remedy which could be applied. 'If certain large and valuable coal areas were taken hold of and worked by the gov-lernment, we could get coal as cheap as other railways and the eastern consuming population would get it at a price probably 50 cents per ton cheaper than now.


Hance James Logan: I cannot allow the statement of my hon. friend to go unchallenged. On certain occasions I have had the opportunity of going very carefully into the coal sales of the different large coal corporations -in Nova Scotia, and I can prove that the average price charged the Intercolonial is less than the price charged private consumers in the maritime provinces or anywhere else. The coal companies of Nova Scotia 'have been able to increase the rate paid the miners of that province the last few years by over twenty per cent, and they cannot be expected to sell coal as cheaply as in days gone by. If they were to lower their prices, they would have also to lower the wages of the men. My hon. friend says that coal is sold cheaper at Montreal to the Canadian Pacific Railway and Grand Trunk Railway than to the Intercolonial in Cape Breton. That is easily explained. Everybody knows that there are certain competitive points at which coal, as well as Other commodities, has necessarily to be sold cheaper than elsewhere. Montreal is a competitive point for the American coal mines, and the mines of the maritime provinces, and that is the only reason why coal is sold there at an exceedingly low rate, but it does not follow that the government should go outside of Canada to buy coal from foreign companies. Even if we do pay a few cents more per ton on the Intercolonial, we are buying from our own Mr. R. L. BORDEN.
coal mines which are worked by our own workmen.


Samuel Hughes: Could the hon. member give the House the increase in pay to the miners in Cape Breton compared with what is paid in Pennsylvania ? I understand that in Pennsylvania the miners are paid some twenty-five or thirty per cent more than the miners in Cape Breton. ,


Peter Macdonald: This is out of order.


Hance James Logan: No doubt it is, but as a representative of a coal mining constituency, I could not allow the remarks of my hon. friend to pass unchallenged. I may tell the hon. member for Victoria (Mr. Sam. Hughes) that the wages paid our Canadian miners are higher than those paid the miners of the United States.
Intercolonial Railway-To increase water supply, $13*500.


Robert Laird Borden: Is that a general item ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That is a general item. There are several points at which the supply is to be increased. This is to increase the water supply at St. Michel, Aston Junction Springhill Junction, St. Fabien, Ste. Anne, Trois Pistoles, L'Islet, Drummondville. and it is also for the purpose of procuring a well-boring machine. The total asked for this year is .$12,500.


Robert Laird Borden: What is to be the total expenditure ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Including the expenditure of last year, $165,000.


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: Has the well-boring machine been purchased, and is this to be a Canadian well-boring machine ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We ask for tenders ; I presume it will be a Canadian machine.


Samuel Hughes: Did you advertise for tenders ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We advertised for tenders.
Intercolonial Railway-Increased accommodation, Amqui, $7,000.


Haughton Lennox: Will the minister give an explanation of this ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 
Haughton Lennox: How much will it take to complete the railway station and dwelling ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It will take all of that to finish the station and dwelling, and There will be an amount of about $3,000 more.


Haughton Lennox: How much will it take to make the shed and accommodation the minister speaks of ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The freight shed will cost about $500, and about $4,500 wall be required for the additional accommodation and additional sidings.


Haughton Lennox: The minister says that the tenders exceeded the estimate. Did they also exceed the appropriation ? How much were the tenders ?	*


Henry Robert Emmerson: The first tenders were deemed too high and we asked for tenders a second time, but the result of the second call was not more favourable than the first. We accepted the lowest tender, which was put in by a man named Huarde. I think it was somewhere about $5,000.


Haughton Lennox: That was for the station and dwelling alone ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Haughton Lennox: I do not think that is carrying out the terms upon which the appropriation was made last year. _ We were asked last year for increased accommodation, $4,000. The hon. member for Hamilton (Mr. Barker) asked what the vote was for, and the minister said :
It is to furnish a new station and dwelling which will cost $3,700, an extension of the freight sheds and Other accommodation.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Haughton Lennox: We were led certainly to understand last year that all the expenditure within view at that point was $4,000 for the railway station, the dwelling, the shed accommodation and the other accommodation that was required. Now the minister admits that the tenders put in were at least $1,000 beyond the appropriation. I think it will be hard for the minister to explain on what principle he justifies the ac tion of the department. I do not speak of this because it is a large item ; it is only a small extravagance in this case, and only a small departure from what we authorized. It is substituting an expenditure of about $10,000 where we only expected to spend $4,000. At all events, it is committing us to a definite expenditure of $1,000 in excess of the appropriation, and not including all the work that that appropriation was intended
to cover. I do not care about the amount, it is the principle that is involved which concerns me.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am willing to answer my hon. friend as respects the item. I find the Minister of Finance stated :
This* is to furnish a new station and dwelling, which will cost $3,700, and an extension of the freight sheds and other accommodation.
That was the estimated cost of the new station, but he did not mention what was the estimated cost of the extension of the freight sheds and other accommodation. He asked for a vote of $5,000. It was expected that the station would cost only $3,700 ; instead of that, although we asked for
tenders twice, we were not able to get anywhere near those figures, and in order that the work might go on we finally let the contract and had to exceed that estimate. But I find nowhere here a statement from the Minister of Finance that that was all the money he was going to require for the increased accommodation at Amqui. There is nothing to lead one to conclude that^ such was the fact; in making the appropriation he did not appear to know what was expected to be the total expenditure at that point. I do not think the department has acted strangely or unfairly. We have endeavoured to meet-the requirements ot the railway at Amqui. They are getting a station which is costing more thaii the estimate, they are getting it in the best possible way that is, by tenders from all quarters along the line. ' Surely the department is not to be condemned in this matter. These things were not contemplated in the appropriation for 1904. While they expect a certain expenditure is necessary, they do not make provision for it all in any one year, they make an appropriation on account from year to year until complete facilities aie obtained.


Samuel Barker: I object decidedly to the position taken by the minister. Every year we have applications made to us for money
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stations, and invariably the minister says, we want so much money. When he is asked what it is for, he says it is for such and such buildings, extension of sidings, improvement of yards. Now the hon. gentleman says that does not mean that the sum asked for is going to do the work, it is only on account. But the minister when he asks the appropriation does not say it is on account, he leads this House to understand that the money he is asking for will do the work. That is one reason why a great deal of time is occupied in discussing these matters in the House. It is almost impossible to get a straightfdrward answer from hon. gentlemen on these subjects. I speak out plainly, I say just what I mean, and if the Minister of Finance were here, or his prede-I cessors were here, I would say the same 1 thing.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That is very unkind.


Samuel Barker: On occasion there is an avoidance of telling the whole truth-that is the plain English of it. The hon. gentleman says that when the money was asked for last year nothing was said about its being in full. Surely the minister lalt year ought to have told us that more would be required. If he throws the responsibility on the officers of the department, what are we to think of the officers who ask money for an improvement at a station and next year tell us they want more for the same station. Either the minister does not take the trouble to tell the House what he is going to do at the station, or the officials are very careless in what they tell the minister-I don't care what way the hon. gentleman puts it. He is responsible for his officials, and it is his duty to get the facts from them and tell the House the whole facs.


Haughton Lennox: The minister wants us to understand that when that vote was asked for last year it was for the purpose of building a station and dwelling only. If the minister is correct in that statement, what have we then ? We have this fact, that an appropriation was made for $4,000 last year and a contract was let for that work at $5,000. Now it is not a question of big or little, it is a question of principle. When parliament makes an appropriation of $4,000 for a work which is stated to cost $3,700, it is hard to understand why they can exceed the estimate by $1,300 %nd exceed the appropriation by a thousand dollars. Now the minister says that the appropriation was made for the purpose of building a railway station and a dwelling. I want to say it was for nothing of the kind. The item in toe last year's estimate said 'Increased accommodation at Amqui, $4,000.' The member for Hamilton (Mr. Barker) asked what that vote was for, and the Minister of Finance said :
This is to furnish a new station and dwelling, which will cost $3,700, and an extension of the freight sheds and other accommodation.
Will the minister contend that that does not include anything beyond the station and dwelling ? Surely it was represented to the House last year that $4,000 was for the purpose, not only of the station and dwelling, but of a freight shed. Is not that plain ? Not only was it for the purpose of the house and dwelling combined, but of a freight shed and for other accommodation which was not specified. I am not arguing whether it included the yard extension that the minister speaks of to-day, but I am contending that it ' included the station and dwelling combined, and an extension of the freight sheds and some other accommodation. Without any freight accommodation, the freight shed alone, would cost $500, and for what was to cost $3,200, taking the $500 Mr. BARKER.
off the $3,i00, they let the contract at $5,000. If that line is to be pursued in reference to these appropriations we ought to know it.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Perhaps this is a case in -which are both right. I think my hon. friend is forgetting the blanket vote of one-fifth because there was $1,000 provided by the blanket vote. I think my hon. friend is forgetting that.


Haughton Lennox: No, I am not. If that were the case there would be one-fifth added to the item we have in these estimates.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We had appropriated in 1903-4 $5,000. That was the amount provided by the appropriation Bill. One thousand dollars of it was appropriated previous to the final vote when the blanket vote of one-fifth of the total was given.


Haughton Lennox: I do not think my hon. friend will get much consolation out of that. I refer my hon. friend to page 12601 of ' Hansard ' of last year. The vote for this purpose was $4,000 and the amount stated was $3,700 in the estimates I am speaking of.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have read that.


Haughton Lennox: That does not help my hon. friend in the slightest degree no matter whether what he suggests, that the vote had been increased, is correct or not.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There had previously been a $1,000 vote and the remarks of my hon. friend the Finance Minister had reference not only to the $4,000 item but to tne onp-fiftli of the total.


Haughton Lennox: They could not have reference to that $1,000 because we were speaking of the $4,000 which was then before the committee and for the additional reason that he specifies the cost of the structure he was about to erect. It is not possible for my hon. friend, if he thinks of the matter, to explain it in that way. Granting that there is some ground for my hon. friend's contention that we should add $1,000 to that $4,000 and make it $5,000 the hon. minister of Finance undertook that with that $5,000 he would complete the building, freight sheds and other improvements. According to my hon. friend's statement to-day the freight sheds are to cost $500. Take that off and you have only $4,500 for the building to be erected ; yet, he has let a contract for $5,000, although I do not understand that that will complete it.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Surely the committee is satisfied with my explanation.


Mr.   SAM@: HL'GHES. What is the annual freight return from Amqui ? Does the hon. minister know where that station is ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Samuel Hughes: I think it is only fair, where these large expenditures are

asked for these stations, that we should have some statement as to the traffic and revenue at these places. There was a very satisfactory explanation made by my hon. friend from Cumberland (Mr. Logan) as to why the accommodation should be increased at Amherst and I think it is only fair that we should have an explanation as to why the accommodation should be increased at Amqui. What is the traffic carried on at this place ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The revenue at Amqui is upward of $35,000.
Intercolonial Railway-Increased accommodation, Stellarton, S41.000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The amount voted last year was $32,000. It was estimated that the expenditure up to the 30th June would be $13,000. We require a revote of $19,000. In addition to that we want $22,000.


Robert Laird Borden: I would call the hon. gentleman's attention to the fact that no portion of it is inserted in these estimates as a revote.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is a clerical error because it is a revote.


John William Bell: When is the work of construction on the new building to be commenced ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Tenders are being called for now.


John William Bell: What is the station to cost ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The estimated cost of the station building is $10,000.


Samuel Hughes: Is that all ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I cannot satisfy you.


John William Bell: This is a very important point. Really this is a terminal point. The road to Oxford starts at this point. It is a railway centre and I am well aware from my knowledge of the locality that the expenditure of a large amount of money will be necessary.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I may say we are providing covered platforms and that they will cost $7,000 perhaps. In addition to that we are providing a number of additional tracks.


Samuel Hughes: That is not included in this $41,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, that is all included in this $41,000.


John William Bell: This work has been in hand a very long time. It was commenced last fall. I would like an explanation why it has been progressing so slowly ? It is very necessary. Almost every person who travels through Nova Scotia has to change there. I would like some explanation as to the cause of the delay which has apparently taken place in carrying on this work.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There was a1 large amount of work. There was a machine shop, an engine house, a car repair shop, a building for the storage of wrecking plant, a building for other stores, offices, and a baggage building all included in this expenditure. The work has been going on. The station building, it is true, has not been erected ; but that was not of such urgent necessity as were the other works. It cannot be said the department has delayed in the matter. The machine shop and the car repair shops were very urgent.
Mr, SAM. HUGHES. Has the minister a general plan for stations along the line of the Intercolonial Railway ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We have for the small stations along the line a general uniform plan, but in respect to the larger stations there have to be special plans prepared.


John William Bell: What is the material of which this station is being built ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Brick.


Haughton Lennox: I would ask the hon. minister to give the items that go to make up the increased vote beyond what is represented by the revote.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The estimate is as follows :	land and legal expenses, $4,300 ;
baggage building, extension freight shed, moving buildings, extension to coal trestle, $5,000 ; covered platform between $6,000 and $7,000; track engineering and inspection, $5,700.


Richard Blain: Is the engineering and inspecting done by local men ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There will be a local inspector.


Richard Blain: Last year there was $2,500 for engineering and inspecting.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That was the inspection on the proposed vote of $32,000 ; this is for new works including the $22,000 of a new vote.


Richard Blain: Last year the minister of Finance stated that $32,000 was all the expenditure that was contemplated at that point. It seems strange that an increased amount should be asked for now.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I hardly think the Minister of Finance made that statement. I do not think any minister would be justified in placing a limit on the expenditure that may become necessary at Stellarton. It is a great coal and railway centre and in my judgment the probabilities for the future will demand very great improvements even beyond those now contemplated. The Minister of Finance must be under a misapprehension if he said that.


Richard Blain: Possibly so; it is these indefinite statements that make it impossible for us to understand.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am.
You see how definite
Intercolonial chine shop, &c.,
Railway-Engine-house, ma-Rivifere du Loup, $88,000.


Richard Blain: Oh, yes. The minister stated last year, as reported in ' Hansard.'
The present appropriation will finish all that is contemplated.
That language was clear enough.
Mr. EMMjERSON. Last year the minister gave a list of special works for which $32,000 would be required, and what he said was that this sum would complete those special works. We are not asking any more now to complete these works but we are asking a further sum for the other special works which I hare mentioned. You cannot foretell what may be necessary at a place like this. It is only as the town grows and by the process of evolution that you can make provision for the requirements. The minister did not say last year, and I do not say now. I'll at if you vote this $22,000 it will cover for ever the improvements at Stel-larton. I could not say that and be just to the town or the railway, or to myself. It seems to me that the Minister of Finance did not mislead the House last year, and I am sure he would not wish to.


Richard Blain: The minister is altogether wrong in saying that we propose to bind him down to this expenditure for ever.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I would not bind myself even for a year: there may be new conditions.


Richard Blain: When the minister asks the expenditure of money at a small town like this-
* Mr. EMMERSON. It is no small potatoe town.


Richard Blain: I did not say anything about it being a small potato town ; it is not a city.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is a large industrial centre.


Richard Blain: I suppose so, and I hope it will grow more prosperous, but I do say that when the minister comes down and asks for a vote, and then asks for a further vote before that money is expended it is not a businesslike way of proceeding. The department should have known all the improvements that would be required within the next couple of years, and they should lay plans, and specifications, and estimates before the committee of the total probable cost. Then if be necessary, the minister could state that he was not asking for the full vote this year. What I am objecting to is the small piecemeal policy of the department in such matters. I have no doubt that the sending of engineers back and forward to inspect these works year after year must add to the cost. I am quite sure it adds to the cost of the eounfry and is not in the interest of the people.


Richard Blain: 


Henry Robert Emmerson: The total expenditure is $13S,000, of which $50,000 was appropriated last year and the balance this year. We require an extension to the machine shop, some additional land, some drain and water service, some sidings in connection with these works, additional freight arid ice houses, and a new coal-handling plant.


Richard Blain: I understand that tenders were asked for the construction of this machine shop ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 
Henry Robert Emmerson: Between $61,000 and $62,000.
Mr. BLAIN, Will that complete the work?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is estimated that this $88,000 will complete the works which I have mentioned..


Richard Blain: Does the minister anticipate any enlargements next year ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have none in mind now.


Samuel Barker: Has the minister inquired from the general manager whether any other works beyond what are here provided for are likely to be needed within the next three or four years ? Surely that is a businesslike question for him to put to his manager.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The general manager states that he thinks of nothing at present. It is within the knowledge of the committee that Riviere du Loup is the principal repair point for the Intercolonial in the province of Quebec. It is a divisional point, and it requires a machine shop and all the equipment necessary for the divisional point of a railway. It is a place destined to grow, I believe, and new requirements will necessarily present themselves in the future, but the general manager states that he has not anything within his knowledge at present.


Haughton Lennox: There has been nothing new added to this matter this year ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The freight and ice houses and the coal-handling plant are items which were not included last year. They amount to about $10,000.


Richard Blain: When is the work to be completed under the tenders which have been invited ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is proposed to have them all completed within the present fiscal year. I cannot give the exact date.


Haughton Lennox: Has the building site been got ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Haughton Lennox: What did it cost ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: A little over $11,000. The cost did not exceed the estimate.
Intercolonial Railway-Engine-house, &c., Chaudiere Junction, $45,500.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is simply a revote. Of the $83,500 voted last year some $40,000 has been expended. There is nothing netv in this vote. The details are the same as those given last year.
Intercolonial Railway-Increased accommodation, St. John, $73,000,


Mr. DANIEL.: Would the minister explain whether this large amount is appropriated to finish the works* that are being carried on at the new round-house, or for what purpose this vote is asked ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The vote last year was $111,000. That included a large, 18-stall en gine-house and other works, a coal shed and quite a number of items, the details of which were given, showing the whole amount to be $111,000. There was estimated to be ex' Trended down to June 30th last $63,000, leaving a balance of $48,000. We are asking for a revote of $48,000.


Haughton Lennox: It does not say so here.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There must be some clerical error, because that error was not made in the department. In addition to that, we want an addition to the freight shed at St. John and also an addition to the baggage room and an extension to the covered .platform.


John Waterhouse Daniel: What was the cost of the new round-house, or is that the building to which the minister refers as a new engine-house ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is an 18-stall engine-house. Last year we paid on this $41,355. The contract price was $71,900. and part of it was paid in the fiscal year 1902.
Mr. DANIEL, Has it been built within the contract price ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Richard Blain: Last year the minister said that the estimated cost of the round-house was $13,800.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That must be a mistake. We asked for a vote of $111,000, and the sum total of all these items was given. It was a balance then due, which included the balance due on a contract of 1902, which was for $71,900. The total cost was about that sum.
Intercolonial Railway-To increase accommodation, Halifax, $135,000.


Richard Blain: Would the minister explain that ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We are asking for a revote of $135,000. Last year the details
were given, the total expenditure being $229,500. The estimated expenditure up to June 30, was $94,500. which leaves an amount to be revoted of $135,000. The matter having been discussed last year, I do not suppose that we need take up time discussing it now.


Samuel Barker: I would like to ask the minister to explain generally as to these items. Large votes were taken last year for [DOT] increased accommodation at Halifax, Pictou, North Sydney, Moncton and two other points. Very large votes were taken and very large sums carried over. There must have been some reason for that, and perhaps the hon. gentleman will explain.


Henry Robert Emmerson: With regard to Pictou, the delay there occurred in consequence of the difficulty in settling the question of the site of the new station. That has been settled recently.


Samuel Barker: Was that difficulty not known last year as well as since the vote was taken ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It was thought that it could be settled, but new questions arose.


Samuel Barker: Of what nature ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: In matters relating to a government road, you cannot simply look at matters on one side of the sheet entirely as a company can do. They can simply study the matter from their standpoint and from no other. The Intercolonial must be studied from the standpoint of the general public.


Samuel Barker: Or a genei-al election, perhaps.


Henry Robert Emmerson: No ; I do not think, when a petition comes in signed by a very large number of residents of an intelligent community like Pictou, that it is always connected with some election, or that there is something wrong about it. A petition came in signed by a very large number of residents and citizens of Pictou. That petition arrested the attention of the department, the matter hail to be inquired into, and I know that since I came into the department myself I gave the matter a very great deal of study, and it was finally concluded, perhaps not to the satisfaction of everybody, but I think for the convenience of the general public of Pictou and of the travelling public who pass through Pictou on their way to Prince Edward Island.


Samuel Barker: I suppose the hon. gentleman has endeavoured to do the most good possible ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Precisely ; I try to be a public benefactor.	-


John William Bell: Can the minister tell me what properties have been taken in for this station ?	.


Henry Robert Emmerson: A very small portion of the-Primrose property lias been taken.


John William Bell: I would like a list of the properties.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There is no other propel tj . the station will be so placed that it will not be necessary to take in anything bui a small portion of the Primrose property.


John William Bell: Will the new station be east or west of the custom-house ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: East of the customhouse.


John William Bell: And what is the total expenditure for the land ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 
John William Bell: That is purchased, I suppose, by negotiation, not by tenders ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: By negotiation. There are only $1,000 expended for land.


John William Bell: Are the plans completed for the station building and for the yard improvements and changes ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: They are working at them now, but they are not quite completed.


John William Bell: Was not some land taken in addition to widen the entrance at the western end of the river ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That was taken into consideration and a valuation made, but we find we can get on without it.


John William Bell: Am I to understand that no land was taken for the purpose of track laying ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No.


John William Bell: Have the tenders been let for the construction of the station ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: They will be immediately.


John William Bell: What is the cost of the station house ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: About $90,000.


John William Bell: Will there be a covered platform ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


William Ross: Finding that the Minister of Railways is & public benefactor, I want to appeal to him for a small siding in my county. There is a small village in my county, the village of Jamesville, where they gather a lot of pit timber for the mines, and they want a siding there so as to load the freight cars at that place. The whole expenditure would not amount to more than $500 or $1,000, and I hope the bon. minister will take that matter into his favourable consideration. I am <t very modest man, and that is the only improvement I asked for in my county.


John William Bell: Intercolonial Railway-Improvements at North Sydney, $25,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Out of last year's vote of $83,000 we spent $8,000, which leaves $25,000 to be revoted.


Richard Blain: How was the $8,000 expended ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There was dredging and the extension of the freight sheds and improvements to the wharf, additional sidings, and work generally in connection with the proposed improvements.


Robert Laird Borden: I did not observe that the item of increased accommodation at Halifax had passed and intended to say a word or twit with regard to it. When will that increased accommodation be provided, and to what does this item particularly relate ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It relates to land for engine house and yard-some land on Cornwallis street. Also for some expenditure in connection with the proposed engine house and some improvements at the station.. Then it includes the construction of a quay wall or crib wall, paved with stone, and for a wharf and freight shed-the whole to cost $229,500. We expended on that up to the 30th of June, 1901. $94,500, leaving $135,000 to be revoted. Reid & Archibald have the' contract for the wharf and are going ont with the work.


Robert Laird Borden: When is it to be completed under the contract ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: This fall. The chairman of the Board of Trade was here the other day in connection with the matter.


Robert Laird Borden: It is anticipated the work will be finished this autumn ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Richard Blain: Is the construction of that freight shed at North Sydney, estimated to cost $5,000, to be done under contract after calling for tenders ?	)


Henry Robert Emmerson: That has not been let, but we propose to call for tenders.
Intercolonial Railway-Increased accommodation at Ste. Flavie, $83,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This includes a revote of $70,000. Last year $95,000 was voted and only $25,000 expended up to the 30tli of June, leaving $70,000 to be revoted. We are asking for a new vote for beating the engine bouse. That was not provided for in' the original estimate, and we want piping for the engine also and good boilers. The total estimated cost is 813.000 which, added to the $70,000, makes $83,000.
Intercolonial Railway-Towards improving the ferry service, Straits of Canso, $45,000.


Robert Laird Borden: We should have some detailed information on this. We
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have spent a great deal of money in improving that ferry service. How much has been put into the new steamer, and has it been found satisfactory ?
Mr. EMMERSON, I can assure my hon. friend that the steamer ' Scotia ' has proved a most wonderful success and the approaches are working very satisfactorily indeed. The vote last year was $77,400. $32,400 is the expenditure down to the 30th of June, 1904, and we are asking a revote of $45,000. This item of $77,400 was to provide electric plant at Mulgrave and Point Tupper. By building an extension it is believed that the ice will be prevented entering and interfering with the entrance of the ferry to Point Tupper. This extension, it is believed, will divert the tidal current and the ice from the north, and the ice will be carried past the harbour instead of into it. It will also have the effect of reducing the current close to the entrance of the dock, which will make it easier for a steamer to enter. This crib work will have to resist heavy shocks from the ice, and it must be built especially strong. This, of course, requires shifting the piling, you have to complete the tracks, re-arrange them, and the whole is estimated to cost $77,400. The work done thus far has been very satisfactory. The crossing between Mulgrave and Point Tupper has been carried on throughout last winter very satisfactorily indeed, and is commonly commended by the travelling public.


Robert Laird Borden: If the service is
so satisfactory as the minister states, why spend so much money on improving the approaches ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Because of the floating ice. . Occasionally the ice, coming in from the north particularly, gets into the ferry slips with the result that it makes it difficult to handle the boat. We require some protection of that kind for the boat. While you may say perhaps that the floating ice did not make the crossing a failure, it interfered with It materially. It will be a great advantage to the crossing there to have this protection.


Arthur Samuel Kendall: It is essential that this provision should be made. While the boat does her work most satisfactorily, still, very frequently when the floating Ice is running there, the ice jams the boat into t'he dock, and it sometimes takes several minutes or several hours to get her out of the ice.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The trouble, I am informed, is on the Cape Breton side entirely ; there is no trouble at Mulgrave. The situation of the slip or dock is at right angles to the current on the Cape Breton side, therefore it requires this protection.


Robert Laird Borden: Are these works which are now being constructed in addition to those w*aich were first proposed ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, to protect the docks from the floating ice which comes down from the north and is carried by the current to the Point Tupper side. The current does not carry the ice in to the Mulgrave side, therefore no such protection is necessary there.
Intercolonial Railway-Protection to Grand Narrows bridge, $70,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is a railway bridge on the line between Point Tupper and Sydney. It separates the two arms of the Bras d'Or lake. Th's is a draw bridge, and vessels pass through it carrying large quantities of marble and lime stone for the Sydney works. Barges also carry this material through this drawbridge. The current is so swift and it strikes the bridge at such a peculiar angle that it is with great danger not only to vessels but to the bridge itself that the passage is attempted. Now an attempt has been made to direct that current, and in order that the vessels may pass through there with safety not only to themselves but to the bridge, this became essential. Some men who have studied these matters were sent there with the engineers and they have suggested a remedy. It is proposed to have an extension of the crib 200 feet long, 24 feet wide at the top, 15 wide at the bottom and 72 feet high. T'he water is very deep there. It was at first suggested that we might have piling anchored at the bottom to serve as a buffer, but that was decided not to be feasible. It was felt that it would not answer the purpose, so this cribwork was decided upon, the whole cost of which is $79,556. There was an appropriation last year of $10,000, that leaves a balance to be voted this year of $70,000. I can only say from the study which I have given to this matter that it is absolutely necessary, it is an unavoidable expenditure if that bridge is to be utilized at ail as a drawbridge, and it is in the interest of the railway as well as of the vessels navigating the Bras d'Or lake.


Robert Laird Borden: What is the object of directing the current under the drawbridge away from the pier ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: So that the current will go through more directly. Instead of going at an angle and striking against the abutments of the bridge or striking the centre pier, we desire to direct and straighten that current as far as possible, so that vessels will go through with safety, without being carried against either the abutment on the one hand or the centre pier on the other.


Richard Blain: Is the work let by tender ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is let by tender. We are buying the timber by tender, and a contract will be advertised for shortly for the construction. We make them separate,

because we bad to have a peculiar kind of timber. We bad a bill of t'lie material made out and tenders were asked for on that. The lumber is being put on the spot under this contract.


Richard Blain: What is the estimated cost of the material and work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Several lots were purchased from different parties. The lowest tender was accepted in all cases. The timber will cost about $35,000. The balance will be for construction and iron work.
At sis o'clock, Committee took recess.
After Recess.
Committee resumed at eight o'clock.


Archibald Campbell: The item before the committee is :
Protection, to Grand Narrows bridge, $70,000.


Haughton Lennox: I was saying before the committee rose at six o'clock that the item last year was $10,000 and that the item this year is $70,000. It appears from the estimates that the $10,000 which was appropriated last year was expended. In itself it does not necessarily follow that because there was $10,000 last year we must not have seven times as much this year, but I call the attention of the hon. minister to the fact that it is somewhat surprising that there is this $70,000 of additional money asked, and I think I shall be able to convince the hon. minister that the committee last year had reason to believe that $10,000 was all that was needed for this purpose.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I can explain to the hon. gentleman if he wishes the reason for the change. The $10,000 voted last year was the appropriation for carrying out a design which it was felt at that time would obviate the difficulty. That was to have -what they call a cluster of piles driven in and loaded with stone. It was thought that that would be sufficient but when we got some experts there the matter was looked into more thoroughly during last fall and the early winter and they determined that that would not be, sufficient and that an^ expenditure on that plan would be money thrown away. It was decided by the department, on the advice of these experts, to make a crib pier which would serve as a guide and at the same time direct the current straight through the passage way. The original design would have cost about $10,000, but io my judgment it would have been money thrown away and would not have served the purpose. Instead of throwing that money away the department changed the design and the work which they now propose to do will cost $70,000.


Richard Blain: What proportion of the $10,000 was expended last year and how ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 


Henry Robert Emmerson: It was estimated that $10,000 would be expended up to June 30, 1904. That $10,000 was applied to the new work. I have explained that we asked for tenders for certain timber and that money has been applied on that.


Richard Blain: Applied to the payment of the timber ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, and also in connection with the experts. We got the services of these experts, and of course it was necessary to pay them ?


Haughton Lennox: Do I understand from the hon. minister that there has been a contract let ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: For the timber, and we are now about to ask for tenders for the work.


Haughton Lennox: What is the nature of the work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Cribwork filled with stone, sheathed with creosoted plank to protect it from the ravages of the worms.


Haughton Lennox: Will $70,000 he the full amount of the contract or $80,000 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: My hon. friend wants to know the total cost of the work ?


Haughton Lennox: Yes.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The total cost of the new design is $89,475.


Samuel Hughes: Is that a tidal bridge ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, in tidal water. I am mistaken as to the amount. We only ask $70,000 by this vote. The total estimated cost of the works at Grand Narrows is put down at $89,475. That includes work already done. There was some work done in 1901 and in 1902, and taking the whole-


Richard Blain: Perhaps the hon. minister would give the amount expended in 1901, 1902 and 1903 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There was some amount eximnded in 1897, but that was only $25.73 for preliminary surveys. There was expended in 1901 $1,576.18 and in 1902 $!,-872.79. Of course Grand Narrows is a station. These items I have just read are not expenditures made on this particular crib-work, but they are made in connection with the Grand Narrows station, and the general manager said that he furnished this information because we usually asked what had been the general expenditure made under that head.


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: Is this masonry work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No.


Haughton Lennox: There are one or two things that we want clearly understood be-
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fore we leave this item. The $70,000 that the hon. minister is asking now is to be added to the $10,000 vote of last year making $80,000-is that right ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: To be exact in figures the estimate before me is $79,556.95 for the proposed cribwork which is to be a guard pier and a' current breaking pier. The $10,000 voted last year has been applied on that, and if you deduct the $10,000 it would leave $69,556.95. We ask this year for a total vote of $70,000 assuming that the contingencies may possibly be short.


Haughton Lennox: It is hoped that the $70,000 we now vote will complete the work.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It overlaps it by a few hundred dollars, and we hope to keep it within that figure.


Haughton Lennox: The $10,000 is already expended ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: In the purchase of timber and in securing the services of experts.


Haughton Lennox: And upon the new scheme!; the old scheme being entirely abandoned ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Wiped out entirely.


Haughton Lennox: In my opinion the Minister of Railways lias not pursued a constitutional course in this matter. We voted $10,000 last year for a specific purpose, the object of which was explained to us. It was said that this $10,000 would complete the object, and the committee was pledged last year to a total expenditure of $10,000, whereas now we are pledged to a total expenditure of $80,000, and the $10,000 voted last year has been appropriated, without authority I believe, to this new scheme. I do not question the wisdom of the new scheme, but I say that there was no authority to apply the $10,000 to that purpose without coming to parliament again. It is for the minister to say whether there is any explanation required.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have earned a very good reputation for not speaking too much and I would not wish to destroy it by going to the other extreme ; but if the committee will pardon me I will explain. This bridging of the Grand Narrows, the connecting link of northern and western portion of Cape Breton with the southern and eastern portion is a very important matter. If anything happened to that swing or drawbridge, the whole traffic of the Sydneys would be interrupted. Protests were made against the old plan by the business interests of Sydney who represented that if that cluster of piles were put down there would be danger not only to the vessels but to the bridge as well, because, should the currents swing these vessels against the draw there would be a complete interruption of traffic. As the responsible head of the department I
did not think that any risk should be taken and as this $10,000 was entrusted to the Department of Railways to overcome the difficulties at that point, and without there being any plan or specification for carrying on a particular work, I do not think parliament would wish that the old design should be carried out, if it were found that it should not accomplish the good intended. No advantage has been taken of parliament by the action of the Railway Department, because the money was voted for the purpose of removing the difficulty and danger at that point, and it has been devoted to that purpose. That was the whole object that parliament had in voting that money. It is true that the department thought that the $10,000 would be sufficient, but upon investigation it was found that it was inadequate.


Richard Blain: That is all very well, but is it not rather misleading the committee ? The minister says that upon examination it was found that the expenditure of the $10,000 would not be sufficient. I do not know that any member of the committee would complain that a larger expenditure was found to be necessary to accommodate the trade of that place, but we do complain that when it was represented that this $10,000 would be sufficient, the minister appropriated it to part of an expenditure that will run up to $79,000, and he did that without consulting parliament. Then after the contracts are let, the timber purchased, and the $10,000 paid out, the minister makes the statement that he has changed the plan without consulting parliament. Are we to understand that is the policy the hon. gentleman proposes to pursue ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The money is voted for a specific purpose and is applied to a specific purpose. We have, it is true, entered into contracts, because if we had not done so, we would have been unable to get the timber after parliament had met and voted the money. It was necessary to let these contracts during the winter months, so that the country would get the advantage of the least cost in securing the material. There must be some discretionary power left to the Department of Railways in regard to a government owned and government operated railway. If not, that is one of the strongest arguments that could be used against government ownership. If we could not exercise some discretion and do work when it is essential to the safety of the road and the traffic, or to prevent a paralysis of business, I am sure it would be impossible to meet the requirements of the country.


Mr. MORIN.: If I remember rightly, be-lore recess the minister said he had bought the timber for that sheer wharf or pier for $35,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We have entered into contracts to that amount.
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Jean-Baptiste Morin: Will the minister be kind enough to tell the committee how much he pays for the timber per thousand, board measure or cubic measure or lineal measure ?
should have all the papers connected with this item before us before we pass this vote. Has any of the work beyond the collecting of the hiaterial been actually done ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No, we are waiting for the vote.


Arthur Samuel Kendall: I need only explain the urgency of the matter to convince the House that the minister did perfectly right. The Grand Narrows is a very deep neck of water. The water is from 58 to 75 feet deep in this locality and nearly half a mile wide. The Dominion Iron and Steel Company's large steamers, some which carry 3,000 tons of freight, go to the westward of this bridge, and one of them, two years ago, heavily laden, was caught with the tide, when coming down, swung against the boom and seriously damaged.


Samuel Hughes: What is the object of this pier ?


Arthur Samuel Kendall: My predecessor, Mr. McDougall, again and again reported to the engineers, when the railway was built, that the draw should not have been put in the place it was, because, owing to the formation of the land, there is a strong four knot tide right across the channel, so that steamers coming down are liable to be driven diagonally across stream. A steamer laden with 3,000 tons struck against the pier and the pier was very considerably damaged.


Samuel Hughes: Was the captain a St. Lawrence pilot ?


Arthur Samuel Kendall: No pilot could command a steamer when she gets into the current there. My colleague and I made representations to the government two years ago, but we were overruled and an arrangement was made to expend $10,000. The authorities found shortly afterwards that that would not meet the requirements, and I just wish to point out the importance of the department acting without delay. To the east side of the county of Cape Breton there are some 70,000 people and some $50,000,000 invested in coal and iron mines, which produce some 4.000,000 to 5,000,000 tons of coal per year. If that pier gave way, the whole traffic with the southern part of the county would he cut off, and Mr. Johnston and I urged the government to have the matter attended to at once so that the danger resulting from delay would be reduced to a minimum.


Samuel Hughes: What relation would this pier bear to the one the steamer struck against ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It would be a continuation of it.


Mr. MONK.: If the government has waited so long before beginning the work, it cannot do any harm to wait long enough to give parliament the opportunity of voting intelligently on the item.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I will obtain that information.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: What kind of timber do you propose to use ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Some creosoted timber, some spruce and some hemlock under water. According to the estimate of the engineer, we require 417,000 feet, board measure, of 10-inch by 10-inch hemlock timber; 104,000 feet of spruce or hemlock logs;	10,500
iineal feet of ballast poles ; 140,000 feet, board measure, of 2-inch creosoted sheathing ; 14,600 cubic yards of stone ballast; 3 piles of 3-inch creosoted piling on the Sidney side 280 feet long in water from 25 to 50 feet deep, 120,000 feet of 3-inch by 12-ineh creosoted sheet piling ; together with the labour and the screw bolts, spikes and drift bolts, all making up the sum total of $29,000.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: Will the minister say whether the timber is hewn or sawn ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Some is purchased as square timber and some as round, and it is so used. It is bought in the proper lengths and furnished, according to the dimensions required, ready to be put in the work.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: Is the square timber hewn or sawn ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is sawn dimension timber. The surface face is square. On the inside the timbers are round.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: The part that is to be under water may be sawn, but the part that is to be above water should be hewn.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The hon. minister has not told us what he paid for the timber.


Henry Robert Emmerson: For the square timber we paid $14 per thousand feet board measure. For the creosoted timber $43, for the poles 2h cents per lineal foot, and for the other timber, 6, 7 and 8 cents per lineal foot, according to dimensions.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: What kind of timber did you pay $43 per thousand feet for ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The creosoted pine. We have to get it from Norfolk, Virginia. It is two inches thick and some is three by twelve besides the sheath piling.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: Where did you get the hemlock and spruce ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: From Nova Scotia all along the line and some from Cape Breton. There was a general call for tenders posted up at every station.


Haughton Lennox: In view of the exceptional circumstances, I think that we Mr. EMMERSON.
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have not sufficient knowledge, we will go on with some other item and there is no use taking up time dwelling on this any longer.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: I am very glad to see that the minister takes that view, because it seems to me that the demand of my hon. friend is a most reasonable one.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Without expressing any opinion on that subject I shall defer to the request.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: Since the minister comments on the reasonableness of my hon. friend's request. I may say that for my own part there is not one of these items upon which it seems to me we should not have had ready for us twenty times the information that my colleagues have succeeded in extracting ; after extraordinary efforts of patience and perseverance. I do not apply that remark particularly to my hon. friend (Mr. Emmer-son). I admit that his is a difficult department and that those items were of some difficulty, but I will say this on behalf of those whose duty it is to criticise and to inquire into the reasonableness of these votes that if we had the full information at our command which any business man would demand) before authorizing an expenditure aggregating $3,000,000 it would greatly facilitate the work of this House. Here is an urgent item for repairs for which we voted last year $10,000 on the assurance that that would complete the work. But what do we find ? It was found insufficient. Representations were made to the minister by people who knew something of the local- | ity and if the minister believed that these works required to be hurried as was stated by the hon. member for Cape Breton, the law indicates a way to provide for cases of that kind. The minister had only to conform himself to the formalities of the statute. He might have obtained a special wax-rant and not have put us in the position we are in to-day, but he went ahead without the authority of parliament, without any authority whatever, and contrary to the law in urgent cases, purchased this large amount of wood and to-day, instead of dealing with a work which we sanctioned last year, costing $10,000, we are called upon to spend an amount- immediately of $70,000 which I have no hesitation in saying, from what j experience I have tad and from what the hon. gentleman who preceded me has stated, I will cost a good deal more than $70,000 and when one of us, deprived of every informa- | tion to which we are entitled on a job of that magnitude asks for fuller information | and for a delay of a few hours in order that parliament may be able to exercise its right ( to intelligently control these expenses, the minister, who has been treated with a great deal of leniency in regard to his estimates, flippantly remarks that he would rather
not be called upon to express an opinion as to the reasonableness of that request.
Intercolonial Railway-Semaphores at stations, $2,500.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This provides for eleven mechanical semaphores and for two electric-magneto semaphores at two stations, one at Trenton and one at Oxford Junction. The two electric-magneto semaphores cost $400 each, that is $800, and the eleven mechanical semaphox-es cost $450 each, which makes $1,650, altogether $2,540, which, with $50 added in connection with placing them, makes a total of $2,500.


Haughton Lennox: I would like the minister to explain how it comes that these semaphores are charged to capital account. On an old established road, they must be very much in the same position as a new c'oor or window in a building, simply a matter of ordinary, every day repair.


Henry Robert Emmerson: These are semaphores. at stations at which there were no semaphores before. There had not been any semaphores at Oxford Junction and it is proposed, because of the situation of that station, at the junction between the tw-o lines, that an electric-magneto semaphore should be placed there and that one should also be placed at Trenton which is at the junction with the Iron Works Railway.


Richard Blain: Is this the introduction to
a large expenditure in connection with semaphores, or would the minister say that this will be the total amount required for some years to come in connection with semaphores ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: These are all we propose now and all that are now required. As new stations are established and sidings put in at these stations, and they become of some importance, it may be that in the future we will have to put in one or more a yeai\


Haughton Lennox: These are not put in at new stations.
Mi-. EMMERSON. These are stations which have not before had semaphores. They were not of sufficient importance to require them but we have found it neces-sai-y to put them in now.


Haughton Lennox: Are there stations where there are sidings at which there are no semaphores ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No ; these semaphores are not switch lights.
Prince Edward Island Railway-to Increase accommodation at Kensington, $4,000.
Mi-. HACKETT. Is it the intention of the government to build a new station there ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes ; a new station and freight sheds.


Edward Hackett: Of what material will the station he built ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: According to the general style of stations on the Intercolonial- of wood.


Edward Hackett: Has a contract been let for building that station ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No ; we have not yet called for tenders, but we propose to do so at once after this vote is passed.


Edward Hackett: Kensington is a very important station on the line of the Prince Edward Island Railway, and there should be no delay in building a new station. The old station is in a vory dilapidated condition, and is looked upon as not being up-to-date; r would now urge upon the minister to make no delay in calling for tenders and building an up-to-date station there.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I can assure my hon. friend that is what we intend to do, and do it promptly.


Richard Blain: There was $1,000 voted last year ?


Mr EMMERSON.: There is a small station there, and it was thought that we might extend it ; but in consequence of the protest we received from the people who are interested in it and of the recognized importance of the place, we concluded to give them a new station. We therefore revote that $1,000 and add an additional $3,000 to it. That will furnish them with a new station and freight yard.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Will this complete the station ?	'


Mr EMMERSON.: We expect this will cover all the necessary cost in connection with that station.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Is this vote based upon the estimate of some competent engineer ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes ; this is from the engineer's department, on an estimate ot what is required. It will be let by contract.
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straighten the line at Curtis Creek, $21,500.


Edward Hackett: What has been done in connection with straightening the line on the Island Railway ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Six tenders were called for, and the lowest was accepted.


John William Bell: What is the length of the new line ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is not a new line, it is straightening out curves, and involves a little over 1'07 miles of track laying.


John William Bell: Is that going to cost $36,000?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The total cost is supposed to be $42,851.


Henry Robert Emmerson: 


John William Bell: That is a very expensive work.	.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is a very bad cutting, the curve is a dangerous one, and in its present condition it has been a great receptacle for snow. We will have to widen it out.


John William Bell: You speak of straightening the line. What distance is saved ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: On the present line there is a six-degree curve and a five-degree curve. It is proposed to build a line 5,300 feet long to cut these curves out. The new line will be straight. On the present line there is a bridge on one of these curves consisting of three spans 28 feet fong. On the new line a culvert will he substituted. The grade on the present line is 1'26, and it will be the same on the proposed line. The new lme will be 3,090 feet shorter than the existing line, and there will be no curves. There Is now a double curve, and a very bad one.


Edward Hackett: Who is the contractor for the work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The lowest tenderer was Mr. Henry Kitchen.


Edward Hackett: Did Mr. Kavanagh, of Charlottetown, tender for the work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I think he did.


Edward Hackett: What is the difference between the tender of Mr. Kitchen and that of Mr. Kavanagh ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I do not remember the exact figure. There was considerable difference, so much so that I was constrained to give it to Mr. Kitchen, although he is not the local man. Sometimes, when they_ are nearly equal, one feels disposed to give it to the local man, but in this instance the discrepancy was so great that I was obliged to accept the other.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Will this complete ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is the estimate: given by the department, $42,851. There are some ci'edlts to come off. There is a credit of $6,350 for certain iron.work, and there are girders and rails on the existing line that may amount to $36,000. The $15 -000 we voted last year taken from that leaves a balance of about $21,500.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The minister says he had two tenders.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I think there were more than two. There were four or five. But that was the lowest.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: This was for timber work as well ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No timber work.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: No timber work at all ? Mr. EMMERSON. No timber work at all.


Edward Hackett: Is the Westinghouse bralie to be applied to all trains on the Prince Edward Island railway 7


Henry Robert Emmerson: As my bon. friend will see there is an item for that purpose and we are putting them on as fast as the finances will permit.
Prince Edward Island Railway-To apply Westinghouse air brakes and air signals, 135,500.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The amount asked for this year is $35,500. This amount is to equip locomotives and ears with the Westinghouse air brake. The passenger ears arte at (present equipped with the vacuum brake ? This system has gone out of use elsewhere. It has not the power of the compressed air break in retarding the progress or stopping a train and it has only an atmospheric pressure of 15 pounds to the square inch, while the air brake has a pressure of from 60 to 80 pounds to the square inch. The expenditure for 25 locomotives at $j534 each $13,350, for six passenger cars at $140.50 each $8,507 and for freight cars, 413 at $85 each, $35,105. The total estimated cost is $57,025. The appropriation over the estimated expenditure for 1903-4 was $21,600. That leaves to he voted at this session $35,500. It will really he $35,425, but these are estimated amounts and I therefore make it in round figures.
Mr, BELL. Will that equip the whole of the service 7


Henry Robert Emmerson: That will equip the whole of the service.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Is this done by contract or day labour ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The air brakes are purchased from the Westinghouse Company of.Hamilton, Ontario, at their fixed, standard price. They are taken to the island and there put on the cars by the workmen in the machine shop connected with the Prince Edward Island railway.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: What do you pay for the air brakes 7


Henry Robert Emmerson: Of course these items include the cost to apply. The cost of equipping a locomotive is $534, and a freight ear is $85.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: What do you pay for the air brake 7


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have not the figures as to what they charge, but 1 will furnish them to my hou. friend. The price can he ascertained from the bills that have been received. It is the standard price that is paid by ail companies. This Is a patent and it is not a matter in which there is any competition.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I take it there will be no competition in it because the company which hold the patent will necessarily have the only authority to sell this article and they will sell at their own price, but a 190
statement of the price will enable us to-ascertain whether we are paying more than the price which is paid by an ordinary railway company.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I think we pay tile-standard price which is paid by other roads. T will furnish my hon. friend with that information.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: There are several appliances for the safety of the employees of the road to put on freight and passenger cars nowadays. I would ask the hon. minister if the government have considered the advisability of equipping the Intercolonial Railway the same as the best roads owned by private corporations are being equipped to-day for the safety of the employees ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The general manager says they have on the Intercolonial railway all the appliances for the safety of the employees that are in general use on railways in Canada.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Automatic couplers, side ladders and ail that 7


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Hr. WILSON.: I presume you buy these air brakes ready to attach to the cars. I was going to ask the hon. gentleman how much he figured as the cost of attaching the air brake to the car.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We buy the break complete with the exception that it has to be applied to the car and we pay all the cost of that, the necessary labour, piping and also the freight from the works at Hamilton.


Uriah Wilson: The hon. minister in estimating what this will cost surely must take into account what it will cost to attach the air brake to the car when he gets it. He has men in the shop attaching the air brake to the car, and if so. does he pay the same as a contractor would ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: For a locomotive the whole cost is $534, and for a passenger car it costs $140.50 complete.


Uriah Wilson: You ought to be able to divide that up.


Henry Robert Emmerson: And for a freight car $85. This is only a question as to the invoice price we pay. X have not that information. but I have promised to bring before the committee to-morrow or at the next meeting when we have the railway estimates under consideration, that return,


Uriah Wilson: I understand that the minister promises to bring down a detailed Statement of the cost of the whole thing 7


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Uriah Wilson: That will be satisfactory.


Samuel Hughes: Are the engines on the Prince Edward Island Railway fitted with the air brake 7


Henry Robert Emmerson: This includes a vote for that purpose.


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Prince Edward Island Railway-To increase accommodation at Charlottetown, $85,000.
Edward Hackett: What is the nature of the increased accommodation at Charlottetown ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: For this purpose $87,000 was voted last year, and $2,000 of that was expended up to the 30th of June. The details were given last year, but If the committee wish I will repeat them.


Haughton Lennox: It was not very fully explained last year.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The following is the estimate :	New station and covered platform, $55,000 ; additional freight shed accommodation, $5,000; additional land, $4,000.


Uriah Wilson: How much land ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We have not purchased it yet, but it is estimated that we can get the land for $4,000.


Edward Hackett: Has the minister decided upon the land which will be purchased at Charlottetown ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are as usual differences of opinion as to what site should be selected, and I have not had the privilege of going there personally to form my own opinion.


Edward Hackett: Come over and see us ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I would like to, but I suppose I would have difficulty in satis-fving all the opinions that might be expressed.


Uriah Wilson: The minister ought to know how much land he wants ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is not exactly deir termined how much land we should want, but I would rather not state the exact quantity because if we were to make any detailed* statement as to that it might affect the financial situation as regards the price. There are two or three points where the station might be located and the officers think that $4,000 will purchase sufficient land.


Uriah Wilson: The minister ought to have some ideas as to the size of the station building ; he ought to know whether or not he will erect it on the site of the present station.
Mr. LANCASTER, The minister had better come out of the clouds and land on the earth, and tell us how much land he wants for this station. He asks $4,000 for this land and he coolly tells the committee that he does not know what it is for. Perhaps he does not want any land at all : perhaps he will build the new station on the site of the old. The minister should give us some reasons for wanting this $4,000, or 4,000 cents for that matter. I confess that I do not think the hon. gentleman is dealing seriously with the committee. Time and again we have asked to-night for information, and we have been told that when the minister gets the money he will come to Mr. EMMERSON.
some conclusion later on. That is a pretty cool fashion in which to ask us to vote the people's money. I protest .against the principle of this thing ; the minister is not on the land ; he is in the clouds.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is not a celestial railway.


Mr. LANCASTER.: It won't be a terrestrial railway either unless the minister gets down to the earth, where he can tell us something that is not misty and mistic. These estimates have been treated all day as if they were a huge joke. Why should we be asked to vote $4,000 or 4,000 cents or one cent for that matter, until the minister has made up his mind as to where he is going to spend it and how he is going to spend it? This committee should know something of the circumstances surrounding the money they are asked to vote away for this purpose ; and until the minister makes up his mind, with the assistance of his officers, that he does want some amount, I for one think this item ought not to pass at all.


Edward Hackett: I would like to ask the minister if he is in negotiation with the owners of the land at the foot of Great George street for the purchase of their rights for a site for this station ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We have obtained prices on lands there. It is supposed that we shall require, in connection with the new station, between an acre and an acre and a half of land, and it has been estimated by the officers of the department that it should not cost more than $4,000. The total vote of last year was $87,000. That was under the same estimate as exists to-day. There was $11,000 for additional siding and the re-arrangement of the yard, $8,000 for additional wharf accommodation and dredging, and $4,000 for engineering and inspection. I cannot give anything more definite than that. The work has not been gone on with. I shall expect, in company with the officials, to visit the locality and determine finally the exact location of the proposed station. It is impossible to say at present just where it will be. It would not be wise, perhaps, even if I knew it. The point is that additional accommodation is required, and we propose to go on with the work if parliament votes the money.


Mr.   AVILSON@: I gather from what the minister says that he intends to move the station to some other part of the city ; he lias not told us why. He has not told us that he cannot get sufficient ground where the station is located now, or what he intends to do -with the old station. If there is to be a new' station built, especially in some other part of the city, we ought to have some reason for it.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have not said that the station is to be moved. In fact, I am frank enough to say that I have not been called upon to determine the question at

all. If I am, and when I am, it is my purpose to endeavour to determine it in the public interest, and having regard to the trade interests of the island and the city of Charlottetown.


Uriah Wilson: Will the hon. minister tell us what is the matter with the present station ? Why is it that he wants more accommodation ? Is it for freight or passenger traffic ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is for all departments. As I am informed, the present station is entirely inadequate to the busi ness requirements of Prince Edward Island and the city of Charlottetown.


Uriah Wilson: Is there any difficulty in getting land where the station is now ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It must be borne in mind that the general offices of the Prince Edward Island Railway are in the old building, and they require to be re-arranged to afford additional room and greater convenience. More yard room and more siding room are also required. This vote covers all these conveniences.


Uriah Wilson: The hon. minister has not told us whether or not he could get the land there.


Mr. HASZARD.: As I know all about the situation in Charlottetown, I may say that the present station is altogether unsuited to the requirements of railway business, and at the same time it is placed on about the only piece of soft land that can be found in that part of the city. A few years ago the land about the present station had to be built up to such an extent that it was claimed that the water was turned on the other side of the street to such an extent that an action for damages was threatened against the Railway Department, and the department has since been threatened time and again. There is no doubt that the present site of the station is not at all suitable and will not be acceptable to the people. The difference between the Railway Department and the people of Charlottetown, so far as I can understand, is this. The railway authorities think they can utilize some of the land at present owned by the government and used as a railway yard. The people of the city feel that the station should be carried further west and built on high, dry land; and the reason why this matter has been delayed the last two or three years is because they cannot agree among themselves as to where the station stould be built. As the hon. member for West Prince has said, they consider that at the foot of George street is the most suitable and acceptable, but for some reason or other the engineers claim that there are engineering difficulties in the way, I myself applied to the department about two months ago fox a report on that site, hut although I have been calling on the department a great many I times since, I have not yet succeeded in '
getting it.,, I would like to have some assurance from the minister that the report will be furnished without delay.


Uriah Wilson: Have they got it in the department ?


Horace Haszard: I understand that they are preparing it. There is just this difficulty that the people have not been willing to accept the site which the Railway Department are desirous of using. If that site should be used, the Railway Department would require to buy a little more land in order to have sufficient room for the present works and the new station.


Edward Arthur Lancaster: The hon. gentleman who has just taken his seat says that the people of Charlottetown are not willing to accept some particular site. I do not understand what the people have to do with it in the sense he indicates. The people of the whole Dominion are called on to furnish a lot of money for some very indefinite,"^ vague proposition, and it appears that the people of Charlottetown are in controversy with the government as to where the government should build the station. But if the government are able to run the railway, they ought to be able to decide where the station should be built, and take the responsibility of-a decision without entering into any controversy with the people of Charlottetown. Until the government know where the station is to be built, they should not ask this House to allot an indefinite sum for the purchase of land that may or may not he required. The hon. minister has told us that he has given the House most definite information. But all he has told us is that certain sums are asked for to do certain things and certain other sums are asked for to do certain other things, but he does not say that any one of the sums asked for will be required to do any certain thing. He wants ns to vote $4,000 for the purpose of buying land which may after all not be required. Three years ago, when I was in the city of Charlottetown I went to Bummersifie from the station in question, and unless the city has been built up very much in the neighbourhood of that station within the last three years, there should not be any difficulty in getting land there. It seemed to me that the station was on the outskirts of the city and that here was any amount of vacant land to be had in that locality at a very moderate price. I do not think the Minister of Railways ought to have a member like myself, from the Niagara district of Ontario, telling him about the condition of things in Charlottetown, nor do I think that he ought to have another member from Charlottetown giving him information. It is he who ought to give this House the information and who ought to be in a position. to tell this House definitely what he proposes to do with the money and not leave | us in doubt as to whether he will use the money or not. I could understand his tell-
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mg us that he did not wish to make public the exact site he intended purchasing and the quantity of land he required, because that might give an opportunity to the owners of the land to hold the government up for an unreasonable price. But he does not say that. He will not say even that he wants the land at all and therefore I do not see why we should vote the money before the minister is in a position to tell us that the government have come to a decision, and actually shall >
require the amount they ask us to vote.


Edward Hackett: I desire to say, before the item is adopted-because there appears to be no disposition on the part of any hon. gentleman to pass this item


Edward Arthur Lancaster: If we can get the information.


Edward Hackett: If we can get the information from the minister. The railway station at Charlottetown is really a disgrace to the Dominion. It is nothing but an old wooden shed which was built some thirty years ago. Whether the site is a proper one or not for a railway station is another question, but I believe that if the minister could secure land at the foot of Great George Street, below the Davies Hotel, that would be most convenient to the people, 'and I trust some action will be taken shortly in this connection. The hon. minister spoke about the land near the present railway station. Might I ask him if any action has been taken with regard to reclaiming the land within the past year, which is now covered by water ?


Uriah Wilson: I would like tbe minister to account for that $2,000 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That amount of $2,000 was the estimate made in February last of the probable expenditure up to June 30. I have not the details of it, but I shall furnish them to-morrow.


Edward Hackett: I would like to ask the minister about the reclamation of land at Charlottetown. For the last 30 years no one has thought of reclaiming that piece of land but just previous to the by-election of last winter, a number of men were placed on that work to fill up the hole with brush and stone in order to reclaim it. I would ask why the necessity arose ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It was done with a view to making a yard there. This place required to be filled up with a lot of brush and during the winter season orders were given, some time before, to have the brush furnished. It could be done more cheaply if the brush was hauled on the snow and some stone piled on it. I think it was only a coincidence that there was an election ; I cannot be responsible for these coincidences.


Edward Hackett: The election was a coincidence in the first place and this came as a matter of business on the part of the government, and my hon. friend from Char- I Mr. LANCASTER.
lottetown (Mr. Haszard), for whom I have the greatest respect, received a large number of votes because the work was done at that time.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Surely not, surely [DOT]not. I would not expect that from the people of Prince Edward Island.


Edward Hackett: The people of Prince Edward Island are like the people of every other province, they do the best they can. I would like to ask the minister what wrages were paid those men employed on that work?


Henry Robert Emmerson: They were paid so much a load. My hon. friend knows that that brush had to be hauled across the harbour while it was covered with ice. and the people were paid so much a load for the brush and stone. It was not a question of labour ; it was a question of assembling a lot of brush and stone and filling in those places where filling was necessary.


Edward Hackett: After 30 years, on the eve of a by-electiou. the government found it necessary to fill up this hole as the minister calls it-and it is a hole. They are in a hole in regard to it. A number of labourers must have been employed who were not engaged in hauling the brush. If he looks over the statement sent in by his officers he will see that a number of men were employed at one dollar a day who were not hauling the brush. I see the minister yesterday took great credit to himself fordoing so much for the labouring men of Canada. He said :
Then also, in 1900 the labourers along the Intercolonial Railway were getting $1.10 to $1.15. I do not here refer to trackmen, because to some extent at least you would refer to them as skilled workmen ; I am now referring to labourers who would not be recognized in any way as requiring any skill in the performance of their labour other than strength and health and physique. These men in the year 1900 received an increase from $1.10 to $1.20 and since that time, during the current year they received a further increase to $1.30 and in many instances to $1.40 a day.
Now I would like to ask the minister if the men of Prince Edward Island who are engaged on this work have not the strength, the physique and the appearance of any men employed on the Intercolonial, and why are they not entitled to $1.25 or $1.30 a day? Having placed these men on that work at $1 a day, as he will find in his reports and as he stated in this House in answer to a question, he will simply be doing an injustice to the men of Prince Edward Island if he does not increase their wages to $1.25 per day.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I will say to my hon. friend that the regular employees along the line of the Prince Edward Island Railway, the trackmen and the section foremen, are paid by the same schedule as are the men on the Intercolonial. I am not aware of the amount paid last winter for the particular

work to which the hon. gentleman referred but if they were paid at that rate, it was because they worked very short hours, the teams employed in hauling the 'stuff were only employed during Abe winter days, and the men necessarily did not work a full day. They were only paid in accordance with the work they were performing.


Edward Hackett: Why was it necessary to fill in this hole at that particular time 1


Henry Robert Emmerson: This stuff had to be hauled across the harbour or river, it had to be hauled before the ice broke up. and this place had to be filled up.


Edward Hackett: We 'have had winters for the past thirty years and we have had ice, and certainly if this hole required to be filled up it could have been done any time within the past thirty years. But the minister is more enterprising apparently than the ministers who have gone before him. Now this little place at Charlottetown is well known to everybody.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That little place was only recently purchased.


Edward Hackett: It has been in the hands of the government for the past thirty years, as their property.


Henry Robert Emmerson: That isthc local government.	[DOT]


Edward Hackett: No. the federal government.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am informed that this property only recently became the property of the railway, within a very few months, and that previously it was owned by the provincial government of Prince Edward Island. The railway had nothing whatever to do with it. The work required to be done during the winter months, but the summer came on before the ice broke up, and the department found it necessary to commence this work immediately. The fact that an election was coming on was not a sufficient reason for delaying the work.


Edward Hackett: I know all about this business. That little corner between the railway and the gas house at Charlottetown has been overflowed with water for the last thirty years. It is the property of the federal government, and every year the sleepers bought bv this government for the purpose of the track on the Island railway were thrown in there to be saturated with salt water in order that they might last longer. The hon. gentleman will find out that this is correct if he will consult his general manager who is beside him.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I get my information from him.


Edward Hackett: I know all about it. On
the eve of a by-election in March last, it was found necessary to close up this place to throw brush and stones into it in order that
a certain number of people in Charlottetown might be employed in government work, and that their votes might be thus controlled by the government.


Henry Robert Emmerson: If it was only brush and stone, it was not dust thrown in their eyes.


Edward Hackett: No. it was not dust, it was snow and ice. Surely the minister will understand that after this hole had remained there for thirty years there was no other reason for filling it up but the fact of a by-election coming on so that the government could control a few voters.
Prince Edward Island Railway-To enlarge freight shed at Breadalbane, $500.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The requirements of Phis place < all for a much larger freight
shed. $500 is the total estimated cost.
Prince Edward Island Railway-To lit up locomotives and passenger cars for steam heating-$14,500.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We require to fit up [DOT]*7 locomotives for steam heating at a cost of $75 each, and 61 passenger cars at a cost of $200 each. The total estimated cost is $14,225. .


Mr.   BRAIN@: How are these cars heated now ?- -


Henry Robert Emmerson: With an ordinary stove. This vote will heat all the passenger cars. It is proposed to appropriate the whole amount this year, and we expect the work will be finished during the fiscal year.


Mr.   BRAIN@: Is it done by tender 1


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is done by mechanics in the repair shops.


Edward Hackett: Are there any cars at present heated by steam from the engine in Prince Edward Island '!


Henry Robert Emmerson: Not on the Island.
Prince Edward Island Railway-To apply M. C. B. couplers to rolling stock, $26,500.


Henry Robert Emmerson: This is to apply the standard coupler to the rolling stock. We propose to apply it to 22 locomotives at a cost of $25 each, to 61 passenger cars at a cost of $70 each, and to 413 freight cars at a cost of $50 each.


Samuel Hughes: For a coupler ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: For a coupler.


Samuel Hughes: How many are there on the Intercolonial Railway not equipped with the coupler ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are none on the Intercolonial Railway.


Samuel Hughes: Are all on the Intercolonial Railway equipped with a coupler ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Almost all have been equipped. There is a vote in the estimates now for the purpose. Ten snow ploughs. $50 each, and flangers. $50 each, making the sum total required $26,500.

'Prince Edward Island Railway

Murray Har-obur branch and Hillsboro bridge, $650,000.


Edward Hackett: Mould the hon. gentleman explain this ? [DOT]


Henry Robert Emmerson: Last year there was a vote of $1,230,000. Of that down to June 30, 1904, it is estimated that the expenditure was $580,000. That leaves $650,000 to be revoted. The matter was very fully discussed at the last session of parliament. I can go into the details again if the members of the committee wish.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: I would like to know how far the work has progressed, what remains to be done, and if this will finish it ? I remember the discussion that took place last year.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The work is under construction now. It is expected it will be completed early this fall. I think the time for the completion of -the work is December 30. The construction is going on, and I think going on quite rapidly now.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: How far have they got ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I think the whole line is graded down to Murray Harbour.


Uriah Wilson: What is the length of the whole line ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Fifty miles.
Mr. WrILlSON. I would like to ask whether the contract was let by tender, and if the work is under contract at the present time ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes ; a certain proportion of the line was originally -put up to tender. Then the contractor, Mr. McManus, through an affliction, was unable to proceed, and it was determined not to accept his tender. I think in that we acted very wisely in all interests. A contract was entered into with Mr. Willard Kitchen, one of the tenderers. An extension of the contract was entered into then for the whole line at his figures down to Murray Harbour and he is completing the work now. I think he is on the last six and a half miles.


Uriah Wilson: I do not know the reason why the contract was taken from the first contractor, but if it was taken from him T do not see why you did not ask for tenders to finish the job, instead of letting it to another contractor by private contract.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The contract was not entered into witli Mr. McManus at all, but the other tender was taken.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Was the other tender a larger one than Mr. McManus' tender ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, it was.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: By how much ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There was very little difference, but there were very excellent reasons on the ground of the health of the party tendering, why the tender should not be accepted. There were special reasons given at the time, and as a result the other tender was accepted.


Henry Robert Emmerson: 


Uriah Wilson: Perhaps the hon. minister will tell us why there were two tenders asked for. Did you ask for tenders from turn different contractors ? How did Mr. McManus come to be connected with it ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: He was one of the tenderers.


Uriah Wilson: Was he the lowest !


Henry Robert Emmerson: He was the lowest.


Uriah Wilson: Was the contract awarded to him ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It was not awarded to him. because the department thought it would not be wise to accept his tender and to entrust the work .to him because of his condition of health.


Uriah Wilson: They do not always take the lowest tender, do they ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Unless there are exceptional reasons. I want to say that Mr McManus is a very great personal and political friend of my own, but his tender was not accepted for very good reasons in his own interest, and, as I believe, in the interest of the department, because I am sure it would never have done to have had the work carried on by him at that time.


Uriah Wilson: Was there a separate tender for the bridge, and if so, at what rate ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There was a separate tender.


Uriah Wilson: What was the bridge to cost ? Give us a little information at least as to what the tender was for the rest of it.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The tenders were made up on the basis of schedule prices. There was not a lump sum quoted for the work, but there were prices quoted for works specifically required.


Uriah Wilson: But the engineers certainly, if there were schedule prices, gave the minister their estimate of the cost of the bridge


Henry Robert Emmerson: The estimated cost of the bridge is $1,494,097 ; the estimated cost of the branch to the river, $926,460 ; the estimated cost of rolling stock, $200,000 [DOT] the estimated cost of the extension to the harbour, $104,600 ; and the estimated cost of the cribwork wharf at the harbour, $69.955, making a total estimated cost of $2,795,113.17. Of that we have paid, including the estimated expenditure for 1903-4, $2,072,525.47. We will require for 1904-5 $722 -587.70. We take a vote of $650,000 for next year.


Richard Blain: What will be the tota cost of the work including the bridge ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 


Uriah Wilson: Why does not the minister ask for enough money to complete the work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We did not wish to ask parliament for more than would be required in that time.


Uriah Wilson: Is it expected that the i *work will be finished during the fiscal year ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It may not be found necessary to finish the crib-work wharf.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: Will this complete the work ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 
Frederick Debartzch Monk: What is the total amount of the contract ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The estimated total amount of the contract including the wharf is $2,795,113.17. There has been expended and paid for up to date including the estimated payments for the year ending 30th of June last, $2,072,525.47. That will leave a balance of $722,5S7.70, and in the main estimates we ask for $650,000. The wharf is a matter which is to be determined. The contract is such that we need not build it unless we deem it necessary.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: Am I to understand that on the highway portion of the bridge no tolls will be paid.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The provincial government is contributing the interest on the cost of that part of that bridge which is used as a highway, and I *understand that they have a statute under which they can collect tolls.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: What is the arrangement between the local government and the federal government as regards that ; it ought be a free bridge if possible. It seems strange that the local government should be able to collect tolls on a bridge which we are building. I have strong objection to tolls, because we suffer a great deal from that antiquated system in the city of Montreal. How does it come, that the local government, by virtue of a lodal statute can collect tolls on a bridge which we are constructing.


Uriah Wilson: I would impress upon the minister the importance of having a free bridge. In these modern days there should be no tolls on any highway in Canada. Years ago we abolished them on the highways of the riding which I have the honour to represent.


Edward Hackett: We are retrograding v hen we ask the people of Prince Edward Island to pay tolls when crossing over this bridge. I agree with my hon. friends from Jacques Cartier (Mr. Monk) and from Lennox (Mr. Wilson) in their condemnation of tolls. Is the work on that bridge going on at the present time ?


Mr. J. J. HUGHES.: I do not think that lion, gentlemen opposite are justified in assuming that the local government will charge tolls on this bridge. I would point out to my hon. friend (Mr. Monk) that the federal government is not bearing the whole cost of this bridge ; the local government
is contributing the interest on the cost of that portion of it which will be used as a highway.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: To whom is the interest being paid by the local government ?


James Joseph Hughes: To the federal government when the bridge will be in operation. I presume it may be deducted from the provincial subsidies.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: My hon. friend does hot know exactly what the terms of the arrangement are.


James Joseph Hughes: I know in a general way.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: I understood the minister to say that the provincial government was entitled to collect tolls, that does not coincide with the statement of my hon. friend.


James Joseph Hughes: The hon. gentleman (Mr. Monk) said that the federal government was providing the whole cost of that bridge. .


Frederick Debartzch Monk: There is no doubt of that; my hon. friend (Mr. J. J. Hughes) admits it.'


James Joseph Hughes: In one sense that would be right, but if the local government are paying the interest on a portion of the cost of the bridge, that portion would belong to them.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: My hon. friend assumes that because the local government are going to pay interest on the highway portion of the bridge, they will own that portion. I do not understand why they should. On the contrary', I think we _shall own it ourselves.


William Ross: I think to collect tolls in this age is something wrong. It belongs to the dark ages, and should be abolished. I agree that it is a step in the wrong direction to collect tolls on any bridge in Prince Edward Island. We have no such savage remnant of the past In the whole province of Prince Edward Island.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: I am very glad my hon. friend has come to my assistance. We have suffered a great deal from bridge tolls in the vicinity of Montreal, and we look upon them as an outrageous abuse-as a survival of the dark ages. We would like to abolish them, but my hon. friend the Minister of Finance has hitherto been an obstacle in the way. Willingly or unwillingly, he has not helped us as we expected he would to abolish these tolls. But I think we are entitled, before passing this item, to know what the arrangements are.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The arrangements are embodied in chapter 7 of 63-64 Victoria of the Statutes of Canada, confirming an agreement made between the Minister of Railways of Canada and the Commissioner of Public Works of the province of Prince Edward Island. Under that agreement the provincial government is to pay so much money yearly to the Dominion government, and is to have control of and keep in repair

the highway portion of the bridge, and to have the exclusive right to levy and collect tolls and charges for the use of the bridge if it desires to do so.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: As I understand, the provincial government is not limited in its right to collect tolls, but can collect any amount it sees tit. In the vicinity of Montreal the amount of the tolls, at any rate, is limited. But I call my hon. friend's attention to this -and I do it very disinterestedly on the part of the people who will use that bridge 

that in connection with this bridge an abuse is being created which we have been trying to abolish in the neighbourhood of Montreal for over thirty years, and which was established there shortly after the conquest. We have had there the creation of a trust, and tolls have been exacted mercilessly from the people and have gone in great part to pay the expenses of the trustees and of the administration generally. My hon. friend will notice that the provincial government is merely obliged to "pay a certain fixed amount every year and to keep the wooden part of this bridge in repair. The bridge is certainly a work of general advantage to the people of Prince Edward Island. It has cost a great deal, and we have not finished paying for it yet. We have built it entirely at our own expense. It is therefore to be considered as a work for the general advantage of the Dominion. The obligation of the local government to keep the roadway planked and the wooden part of the bridge painted is very slight. I venture to say, from the experience that I have had, that that obligation in future will be largely lessened by the large amount of work which the federal government will have to perform upon that bridge. In the interest of the people of the island-and I am sure my hon. friend will support me in that-it will be a very great advantage to have that right of collecting tolls abolished and free circulation given to the people.


Edward Hackett: What is being done in connection with the Hillsboro bridge ? Is the work going on ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Edward Hackett: I have read in the newspapers that one of the piers has settled somewhat and got out of line and that the contractor was not able to go on with the work.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The newspaper was misinformed. He is going on with the work.


James Joseph Hughes: The case of the Montreal Turnpike Trust is not parallel with the one in question. The Montreal bridge is owned by a road company, but this bridge will be owned by the people of Prince Edward Island, and it is entirely in their hands whether they shall charge tolls or not.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: So it is with us.


Henry Robert Emmerson: 


James Joseph Hughes: The people of Prince Edward Island will no doubt be pleased with the sympathy which the hon. gentleman shows in their affairs, but this matter is entirely in their own hands. The government will not levy a toll if the people do not wish it.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: Does not my hon. friend think it would be a great advantage to the people who are going to use the bridge, to have the certainty that no toll will be charged ?


Mr.  J. .T. HUGHES@: That will be a matter for the people themselves to decide.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: In the neighbourhood of Montreal the roads are government roads. They are under the control of tfhe trusts who represent the government. On the Island of Montreal some of these trusts are appointed by the Minister of Finance and some by the local government; but as a matter of fact the roads to which I refer, and in connection with which the abuses I have condemned exist, are under the control of the people of the province of Quebec. It appears to me a pity that we should create an abuse among the people who are going to use this bridge. It would be better it should be a free bridge just as are the Interprovincial bridge here and others being built now.	.


James Joseph Hughes: Perhaps it will.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: What makes my bon. friend think it will ? Had we not better, since wTe are paying for it, make sure of that now?


James Joseph Hughes: The province is paying for it.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: Is the province contributing in any measure to the construction of the bridge ?


James Joseph Hughes: I do not want to split hairs. The province is paying the interest on the cost of that portion of the bridge.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Unless the bridge be built, the people of Prince Edward Island will have to continue their ferry, which has been in operation there for generations, at the expense of the people, and the ferry costs the people a much larger sum than would these tolls. It is a matter of provincial arrangement. The people, I presume, will know what is best in their own interest ; and as they are contributing a large amount, I do not see that we need worry ourselves about the matter.


Mr. FIELDING.: In any case it is not the business of this government to supply free roads either to the people of Prince Edward Island or of Quebec. In this case the people of Prince Edward Island are giving a contribution which is supposed to represent , the interest on the cost of constructing that portion. And whether they charge tolls or not is a matter for themselves to determine. If they like to tax themselves, that is their business and not ours.
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Frederick Debartzch Monk: That is the old argument we hear every time we ask for relief for the province of Quebec. My hon. friend says it is not the business of the federal government to provide free roads for the province of Quebec.


William Stevens Fielding: Or any other province.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: It is Unfortunate that he should argue in that way. He knows it is not our business either to lend money to the trustees of Montreal roads, but we have done that and we are to-day in this position, that we hold $200,000 of bonds of the Montreal Turnpike Trust on which the interest is not paid, and the masters of the situation are this government. The interest on those bonds has never been paid, and it is in the power of my hon. friend to say to the trustees of the Montreal roads and the local government : It is time this abuse shall cease and we are willing to forego our interest and the capital, provided the necessary reforms are made. Does my hon. friend pretend that when we are voting a sum of over $1,000,000 for the construction of a bridge, the whole cost of which we shall pay, it is not in our power to say : we will not vote that money unless there will be free circulation on the bridge for the people ?


William Stevens Fielding: But my hon. friend overlooks the very important fact that we have already put in our conditions by a solemn agreement between this parliament and the parliament of Prince Edward Island. That agreement is signed, sealed and delivered. It suits t'he people of Prince Edward Island, and why we should be so anxious to prevent their paying tolls, I cannot understand. As to the Quebec case, we possibly have gone out of our way to lend money to the trustees of the Montreal turnpike road, but surely that is not an offence of which we should be accused. Surely my hon. friend does not consider that a crime.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: No, but we stand in the position of a creditor who can impose on
his debtor what conditions he chooses.


William Stevens Fielding: The one condition which my hon. friend is not willing to impose is that the debt should be paid or any part of it.


Frederick Debartzch Monk: My hon. friend knows perfectly well that the debt is not collectable. I admit there is a distinction between the two cases, but it was only right that we should find out on behalf of the people of Prince Edward Island what are the conditions for the use of the bridge. There is an agreement in this case, but in that of the Montreal Turnpike there is none.


Uriah Wilson: How much did we pay per mile for the building of the railway ? What was the contract price ? I understood the hon. minister to say that the whole road 191
was let by tender, but there is some doubt about it.


Henry Robert Emmerson: $4,621 per mile. That is exclusive of the bridge and of the wharf, that includes rails and equipment.


Uriah Wilson: Was it all let by tender ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes ; as I have explained.


Mr. INGRAM.: That is surely not in keeping with the statements that have already been made to this House.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have stated it as I have stated it.


Andrew B. Ingram: You are not sure of your ground.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have given the history of the matter just as I have now stated it.


Uriah Wilson: Wrhat I understood from the minister is that the lowest tenderer was to nave got the contract, but the government judged that he was not fit to carry it out, and the next lowest tenderer was given the contract. Is that the case with the whole road ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It was extended subsequently, as I stated before. The whole contract was given to the contractor who had received a portion of it at certain schedule rates, and it was continued to completion under that arangement.


Uriah Wilson: When I asked if this was tendered for in two different parts, I understood the minister to say no.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I did not wish to convey a different impression from what I am Telling my hon. friend now. They only tendered for a portion of the road originally, but it was extended to the contract for the remaining portion.


Uriah Wilson: Without tender ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Without tender.


Andrew B. Ingram: That is the truth ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That is what I endeavoured to say.


Andrew B. Ingram: The hon. gentleman said in the first place, and led us to believe, that it was given iby tender, when it was nothing of the kind.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I did not wish to convey that impression, because I had stated differently earlier in the evening. I had given the facts before just as I have given them now.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I understood the minister to say that the province pays $9,750 a year, which is supposed to be the interest upon the cost of the passenger traffic part of the bridge. Is that in perpetuity or for any definite length of time ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It is unlimited.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: We find that in many of these items the contracts are changed from



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the description given last year. The minister should tell us any changes that have been made since last year, if the contract has not been carried out on the same basis, for the same amount, and on the same principle ; and he should also tell us if the progress which has been made is commensurate with the original undertaking as to the completion of the contract at a definite period.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There is no change in the contract from what it was last year.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The same amount ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The same rates are being paid this year as last.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The same rates ? I do not know whether the minister is designedly indefinite and thinks that that statement should satisfy the House, or whether he is innocently making indefinite statements. From his statements we cannot tell what kind of a contract has been entered into. Did the party who is now doing the whole work contract for a portion of it at schedule rates simply, and is he now working on schedule prices ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I want to be clear, and to give the facts as they are. I do not know whether it is my fault in trying to explain these things or my hon. friend's fault in understanding it. What I wish to say is that Mr. Kitchen tendered for a portion of this line ; the line was from a certain point in Prince Edward Island to Murray Harbour.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: And everything on
schedule prices ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Everything was on schedule prices. Only a portion of the line was tendered for in the first instance. Subsequently the whole line to Murray Harbour was given to that same contractor on those same schedule prices.
Mr. SPROULEl	That might be very!
fair and might be very unfair. To illustrate, on some portion of the line the grading might be very difficult and on other portions very easy. There might be one kind of material in one place and another kind in another place.


Henry Robert Emmerson: They are paid according to the material.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The schedule prices being so much per cubic yard. Supposing you commence moving this material and are first moving the very easiest kind, and pay the contractors 25 cents a yard. If you come to a hard place it would be worth a great deal more, and in order to determine whether the contract was properly let or not we should have some information as to the character of the ground over which this railway is to be built, whether it is uniform and likely to be of uniform cost in different parts. We have no information in regard to that. A man might take a small piece of work where it was very heavy, and the schedule price would not be high ; but if he extend-Mr. SPROULE.
ed that same work into a locality where there was an easy soil and where he did not have to remove the material to as great a distance, then the price would be relatively very much higher. We ought to know all of this, in order to enable us to determine whether the contract is a reasonable one or not.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The schedule provides so much for rock, so much for earth and so much for other material, broken stone, etc.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Could the minister give us those prices ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I made a return of that some time ago to parliament. I have not the contract here.


Edward Hackett: In connection with the bridge, I would ask the minister whether there is a contract for the building of the substructure only, or for the building of the whole bridge ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There is one contract with Mr. Heney for the substructure and also a contract for the removal of the bridge from the Miramichi river to Prince Edward Island, and for the erecting of it on the substructure over the Hillsboro' river.


Edward Hackett: Who has the contract for the moving of the bridge ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Mr. Hugh Macdonald. Mr. HACKETT. Will that bridge be quite wide enough to afford this carriage driveway alongside the railway, or will the bridge require to be extended ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There is a sidewalk apart from the bridge as it now exists, and a carriage way will interlock with the railway proper, the bridge not being wide enough to have a separate track.


Edward Hackett: Will there be a carriage driveway on either side of the bridge ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: No, only on one side. Then there will be a passage for pedestrians, a sidewalk on both sides. That will be maintained by the local government.


Edward Hackett: Will this [DOT] bridge over the southwestern branch of the Mir imicin be quite sufficient to span the Hillsboro river ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: There are two Miramichi bridges, the northwest and the southwest. They proved to be too light for very heavy engines, and therefore they are being removed. We are taking all of the southwest bridge and a portion of the northwest, and utilizing them for bridging the Hillsboro river. The material is just as good as a new bridge would be purchased outright, because if you were to purchase one outright you could not get a heavier class of bridgte than the one you are now getting from the Miramichi.


Edward Hackett: What is the age of the bridge on the Miramichi river ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The line was opened, I think, in 1876.

Prince Edward island Railway-New . station at Alberton, $2,000.


Henry Robert Emmerson: There were $3,000 provided last year, and the estimated expenditure during the year was $1,000. We require a revote of $2,000, and we shall still require to supplement this by $2,500 more. We are asking for tenders on three conditions, one to build in stone, one in brick and one in wood. The matter has not yet been finally determined, but I think it will be in favour of stone. The total cost will be about $4,500.	'


Haughton Lennox: Is this a revote ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: 
Haughton Lennox: It does not appear in the estimates that there has been anything expended at all. The $3,000 voted last year and the $2,000 this year will make $5,000. Perhaps this is a mistake in the estimates as printed.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Last year we did not expend anything.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Why don't you call it a revote ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I have it marked here as a l-evote of $2,000. There appears to have been two or three errors of that kind made by tlie printers. They were not made in the Department of Railways and Canals. We estimated the expenditure in February last, and expected that the expenditure during the fiscal year ending June 30 would be $1,000, and we therefore ask for a revote of $2,000. But it is now found in view of the material that we will likely use, that we will require this $2,000. We have not expended a dollar of the vote of last year, and we will require $2,500 more, making a total expenditure at that point of $4,500.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: We know the amount will be $4,500. But I understand the minister to say he has not expended a dollar of the usual vote given last year. Then that is wrong to begin with, and leaves a wrong impression upon the minds of the committee. Have you no proof reader to go over the amounts -after they are printed ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: We do not have anything to do with them. We send over our estimates to the Finance Department and they are sent forward to the Printing-Bureau. They do not come back to us.


Haughton Lennox: I trust the minister will take some precaution to see that this does not occur again. Here we have
$2,000 when it ought to be $3,000, he should have asked a revote of $3,000. Then there is a mistake in the other column of $2,000 at all events. Now, there are various items showing the same error. It makes a material difference in testing what is the actual expenditure of the government.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I quite agree with my hon. friend.


Edward Hackett: Has any action been taken with regard to building this new station at Alberton ?	[DOT]


Henry Robert Emmerson: Tenders have been received, but the contract has not been awarded because we have not yet decided whether to use wood or stone.


Edward Hackett: I trust the minister will build a first-class station there.


Henry Robert Emmerson: We hope to.


Edward Hackett: Now, with regard to another matter. Has any action been taken to avoid the Y coming into that station ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: The matter is under consideration.


Edward Hackett: Have you a report on it from any of your officers ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, I have a report from the officer.


Edward Hackett: Will the hon. minister do what he possibly can to abate the nuisance ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, if it is possible to do so we will certainly do it.


Richard Blain: Will t'his $4,500 ' complete the building including heating and lighting apparatus?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Everything. We believe that $4,500 will be the whole expenditure.


Richard Blain: What proportion will go for heating and lighting ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: It will be heated by stoves. There will be no hot water system.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I understood the hon. minister to say that $4,500 is likely to be the full cost but he told us previously that he [DOT]bad an estimate for a building in wood, another in brick and another in stone. Which material did he contemplate using when he made up the estimate of $4,500 ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: I am basing that on the idea of utilizing stone.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: If other material 'is used it will cost less ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes.


Edward Hackett: There was an amount voted last year for building small stations at Richmond, Northam and Alberton. Are these works being proceeded with ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, they will be completed within the fiscal year.


Edward Hackett: The contracts 'have been let ?
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Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes, months ago. The works are under contract and they have to he finished within the time to be paid out of the appropriation of last year.


Edward Hackett: The important thing is to have the accommodation for the people before the stormy weather commences in the fall of the year. I would like to liave that attended to.
Mr. EMMjERSON. They will have to be complete# now in order to be paid out of this appropriation.
Prince Edward Island Railway-Survey of Montague bridge, $500.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I would like to ask the minister what is the meaning of this item ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: Last year there was $2,000 provided. Here is where another error occurs in making up the estimates. This is a survey of a proposed branch line of railway and there was $1,500 expended on it up to the 30th June. That was the estimated amount and we anticipate that amount will be required. That leaves $500 uuexpended and we are asking for-ithis revote.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: It should be marked ' revote.'


Henry Robert Emmerson: Yes. I think there have been four or five errors of that kind in the estimates.


Richard Blain: What was the $1,500 expended on ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: In making a survey of this proposed branch of railway from Cardigan to Montague bridge.


Edward Hackett: I desire to bring to the notice of the hon. minister the building of a branch line of railway from O'Leary to the west shore of Prince Edward Island, about 12 miles in length. The hon. minister will remember that for several years past I have brought this matter up in this honourable House and that it has been received favourably by the government. I would like to ask him if he intends to have a survey made ?


Henry Robert Emmerson: That matter has already been brought to inv notice by the people of Prince Edward Island. Senator Yeo and others have presented petitions and made representations in reference to it. It is having the consideration of the department and I shall be very happy to announce any decision later on that may be reached in respect to the matter.


Edward Hackett: I asked a question myself in connection with this matter in the early part of the session and the hon. minister said then, about three months ago, that it was under consideration. He has been considering it ever since. I cannot get any definite answer from him. I have a resolution passed by the people of that section of the country who are suffering from the want of proper facilities for the transportation of their produce and other things. It is as follows :
At a meeting held in Springfield Hall, lot S, Prince Edward Island, on March 9th, 1904 for the purpose of discussing the question of a branch line from the main line of the Prince Edward Island Railway to Cape Wolfe on the west shore-of the island, the following resolution was moved by Mr. W. J. 'Wortman,' seconded by Mr. Stephen McEachern, and carried unanimously, to be presented to the Minister of Railways through our representatives at Ottawa :*-[DOT]	'
To the Hon. H. R. Emmerson,
Minister of Railways, Ottawa.
May it please your Honour.
Whereas, a largely signed petition of the electors of townships No. 7, 8 and 9 praying for a branch line of railway from the main line of the Prince Edward Island Railway at or near O'Leary station to Cape Wolfe on the west shore of the island, was forwarded to the Department of Railways during the session of 1903.
And whereas, the prayer of the petition has not received the consideration of the government.
Therefore, resolved, that the electors of townships No. 7, 8 and 9 desire to impress on the Minister of Railways the urgent needs of this section of the province, as stated in the petition of 1903, and the necessity of complying with the prayer of the said petition during the present session of parliament.
(Sgd.) W. T. COSTAIN, PETER J. BULGER	Chairman.
Secretary.
Springfield, lot 8, March 9. 1904.
I would like the hon. minister to do something to relieve these people in tlieir necessities as they present them in Phis resolution and as they have been shown by the petition sent to the hon. minister himself.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: As we are having morning sittings and it makes a pretty long day, and as we have got through with a pretty good share of the business to-day I would suggest that the committee might rise.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I was going to make tfnat suggestion to my hon. friend. We have covered quite a number of items today and we cannot work too long at night. I move that the committee rise and report progress.
Some resolutions reported.
Mr. FIELDING moved the adjournment of the House.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: What business will be taken up to-morrow ?


William Stevens Fielding: We expect to continue the estimates of my hon. friend the Minister of Railways and Canals.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to, and House adjourned at 11.15 p.m.
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From the First day of Juno to the Fifth day of July, inclusive.
Abbreviations of well known words and Parliamentary expressions are used in the following 1°, 2°, 3 , First Reading, Second Reading, Third Reading ; 3 m. h., 6 m. h., 6 w. h., Three Months' Hoist, Six Months' Hoist, Six Weeks' Hoist; *,without remarks or debate ; Aects., Accounts; Adjn., Adjourn; Adjd Adjourned; Amt., Amendment; Amts., Amendments; Amalg., Amalgamation; Ans., Answer; Ass.' Assurance; B., Bill; B.C., British Columbia; Can., Canada or Canadian; C.P.R., Canadian Pacific Railway ; Com., Committee ; Co., Company ; Cone., Concur, Concurred, Concurrence ; Consd., Consider-Consdn., Consideration ; Cor., Correspondence ; Deb., Debate; Dept., Department; Depts., Departments [DOT] Div-i Division ; Dorn., Dominion ; Govt., Government; His Ex., His Excellency the Governor General; Hse., House ; H. of C., House of Commons ; Incorp., Incorporation ; Ins., Insurance ; I.C. R., Intercolonial' Railway; Man., Manitoba; Mess., Message; M., Motion; m., moved. Neg., Negatived - NB New Brunswick; N.W.T., North-west Territories ; N.S., Nova Scotia; O.C., Order in Council; Ont.,' Ontario * P.E.I., Prince Edward Island ; P.O., Post Office ; Par., Paragraph ; Prop., Proposed ; Q., Quebec ; Ques.' Question ; Recom., Recommit; Ref., Refer, Referred, Reference; Rep., Report, Reported; Reps., Reports; Res., Resolution ; Ret., Return ; Ry., Railway ; Rys., Railways ; Sel., Select; Sen., Senate';'Sp. Special; Stnint., Statement; Sup., Supply; Suppl., Supplement, Supplementary; Wthdn., Withdrawn-Wthdrl., Withdrawal ; Y.N., Yeas and Nays; Names in Italics and parentheses are those of the mover. '
Alcorn, Geo. O., Prince Edward, Ont.
Cattle Feeding at Experimental Farms (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4970 (iii).
False Ducks Lighthouse, in Com. of Sup., 5806 (iii).
Masters and Mates, Fees for Examiners (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5806 (iii).
Napanee River Buoy Service, Contract with Mr. Mowers (remarks) in Com. of Sup.,
5344 (iii). '
Supply :
Arts, Agriculture, &c. (experimental farms) 4970 (iii).
Lighthouse and Coast Service (False Ducks lights) 5806 (iii).
Wilton Postoffice, Dismissal of Postmaster (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5676 (iii).
Armstrong, J. E., East LamMon.
Bee Culture (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4979, Budget, on The, 4829 (iii).
Butter manufactured in Alberta, Exports to Japan, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4127. Cattle, Sale of, &c., at the Experimental Farms (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4973 (iii). Coal Oil Duties, Payment of Bounties, &c. (remarks) 4667 (iii).
Coal Oil Duty, Pets, re, Inquiry for, 4726 (iii). 

 Bounty re (remarks) on Tariff Resolutions. 5741 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Tariff Legislation re, Ref. to in Budget
Speech, 4829 (iii).
Armstrong, J. E.-Con.
Railway Act (highway crossings) Amt. B. 2 (Mr. Lancaster) in Com., 5105 (iii).
Rural Mail Delivery (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5732, 5750 (iii).
Standard Oil Co., Contract re Lighting Cars (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5932 (iii). Supply :
Arts, Agriculture, &c. (exhibitions) 4133 ;
(experimental farms) 4973 (iii).
Ocean and River Service (Govt, steamers, repairs, &c.) 5208 (iii).
Postoffice (rural mails) 5732 (iii). Railways-I.C.R. (Grand Narrows bridge) 5980 ; (Pintsch gas) 5928 ; (water supply) 5964 (iii).
Avery, M., Addington.
Experimental Farms, Expenditure, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4984 (iii).
Hope Island, Timber cut by Manley Chew (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5243 (iii).
Barker, Sami., Hamilton.
Companies Act (1902) Amt. B. 75 (Mr. Cowan) in Com., 4707 (iii).
G. T. P. Ry., Investigations re Traffic Arrangements, in Com. on Ry. Act B. 132, 5679 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Production of Confidential Documents
(M.) for Cor. re Construction, 3950 (iii). 

 Transcontinental Line, Papers, Documents, &c. re Construction (M. for copies) 3950 (iii).

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ii
[Stage Direction]
Barker, Sarnl.-Con.
I. C. R., Details re Expenditure, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5916, 5945 (ill).
Canada Temperance.   A@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 5679 (iii).
Supply :
Civil Govt.-Railways (salaries) 5895 (iii). Railways-I. C. R. (air brakes) 5922 ; (Am-qui station) 5966 ; (bridges, strengthening) 5918 ; (facilities, &c.) 5945 ; (Halifax accommodation) 5974 ; (Restigouche Bridge superstructure) 5949 ; (River du Loup shops) 5972 (iii).
Bell, A. C., Pictou.
Budget, on The, 4274 (iii).
Dom. Day Adjournment (remarks) 5762 (iii).
Fishing Bounties, Methods of Payment (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5069 (iii).
I. C. R., Receipts, &c., on Annual Statement, 5875 (iii).
Laschinger, Mr., Appnmt. as Ass't. Secy, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5651 (iii).
Lobster Fishing, Regulations re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5069 (iii).
Lobster Fishing Season, Extension of Close Season, Pet. re (remarks) 4927 (iii).
"Mail Bag Repairs (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5756 (iii).
Mail Contracts, River John (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5746 (iii).
Port Morien, C.B., Breakwater, Reps., Rets., &c. (M. for copies*) 5094 (iii).
Postoffice Accounts, re Atlin and Yukon (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5596 (iii).
Postoffice Finances, Rep. of Auditors (re' marks) in Com. of Sup., 5612 (iii).
River John Mail Contract, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5746 (iii).
Supply :
Civil Govt-Postoffice (salaries) 5596, 5612. Railways-I.C.R. (additional sidings) 5942; (Halifax accommodation) 59<4 ; otonar-ton station) 5969; (Windsor, N.S., station)
5956 (iii).	, v frAQ7.
Railways-P. E. I. (Curtis Creek line) 5987, (Westinghouse brakes) 5989 (iii).
Bennett, W. H., East Simcoe.
Acetylene Gas for Lighthouses (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5305 (iii).
< Bayfield' Str., Sale of, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5229 (iii).
Chew, Manley, and Hope Island Timber Cut (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5235 (iii). Furniture Trade with Japan (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4120 (iii).
*	Gauss,' Str., Emplymt. of Crew (remarks)
in Com. of Sup., 5212 (iii).
*	Gulnare,' Str. for Tidal Service (remarks)
in Com. of Sup., 5287 (iii).
Hope Island, Timber Cutting, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5236 (iii).
Bennett, W. H.-Con.
Laschinger, Mr., Appnmt. as Ass't. Secy, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5647 (iii). Lighthouse and Coast Service, in Com. of Sup., 5304 (iii).
Postal Rates, Increases, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5723 (iii).
Postoffice Employees, Promotions, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5647 (iii).
Prescott Carbide Factory (remarks) in Com.
Sup., 5304 (iii).
Supply :
Arts, Agriculture, &c. (exhibitions) 4097. Lighthouse and Coast Service (lighthouses, &c.) 5204 (iii).
Ocean and River Service (Govt, steamers, repairs, &c.) 5212 ; (tidal service) 5287. Postoffice (mail service) 5723 (iii).
Bickerdike, R., Montreal, St. Lawrence.
Criminal Code (fraudulent debtors) Amt. (B.
86) in Com., 3980 (iii).
Wrecking Investigations, Expenditure re, in Com. of Sup., 5264 (iii).
Birkett, T., Ottawa.
Ottawa Electric Co.'s B. 110 (Mr. Champagne) in Com. (M.) to ref. back to Com., 4176, 4226 ; on Amt. (Mr. Puttee) 4267 (iii).

 Pet. from Ottawa Corporation (read)
4229 (iii).
Ottawa Postoffice Employes, Bonuses re Fire (remarks) 5587 (iii).
Rideau Canal Bridges, Repairs, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5914 (iii).
Supply:
Civil	Govt.-Postoffice	(salaries) 5587 ;
Railways (salaries) 5906 (iii).
Weights and Measures (inspectors' salaries) 4046 (iii).
Tariff Rebate on Goods passed before bringing down Resolutions (remarks) 5741 (iii).
Blain, R., Peel.
Acetylene Gas System, Cost of Maintenance, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5832 (iii). Campbellton Railway Siding (remarks) In Com. of Sup., 5940 (iii).
Cattle imported from U. S. and Mexico (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4114 (iii).
Corn, Removal of Duty, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4119 (iii).
Farm and Garden Products, Protection re Tariff (amt.) to Sup., 4004; Neg. (Y. 41; N.
.	76) 4041 (iii.)

 Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4123 (iii.)
Furniture Trade with Japan (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4129 (iii.)
G.T.P. Ry., Directors to be British Subjects, in Com. on Ry. B. 132, 5681 (iii.)
Gulnare,' Str. for Tidal Service (remarks) in Ccm. of Sup., 5287 (iii.)

m
Blain, R.-Con.
Halifax Harbour Lighting System (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii.)
Lighthouse Keepers, Dismissal (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5325 (iii.)
Newspaper Postage Rate, Revenue, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5723 (iii.)
Ottawa Electric Co.'s B. 110 (Mr. Champagne) in Com., 4188 (iii.)
Patterson, Dr., Quarantine Inspector, Salary, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4171 (iii.)
Postmasters' Guarantee Fund (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5850 (iii.)
Postoffice Finances, Rep. of Auditors (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5610 (iii).
Postoffices opened, Number, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5745 (iii.)


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 5681 (ii-.)


VOL. Ill-AJ
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Borden, Sir Frederick-Con.
Dennison, Col. Resignation, &c. (Ans.) 5073.
Dundonald, Lord, G.O.C., Political Interference re Militia (personal explanation) 4584.
[Stage Direction]
 on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 5422.
[Stage Direction]
 Further Papers laid on Table, 5759.
Gregory, Col., Resignation from St. Catharines Field Battery (remarks) 4590 (iii.)
McLean and Jones, Lt.-Cols., Recommendation as Brigadier, &c. (Ans.) 5867 (iii.)
Merritt, Mai., Gazetted as in Command (Ans.) 5073 (iii.)
Military Investigation re Charges against 9th Battalion, Inquiry for further Cor., 4416.
Militia Regulations re Increased Pay (Ans.) 5271 (iii.)
St. John Drill Hall, Option on Chipman Property (Ans.) 3941 (iii.)
S. A. War, Pensions for Disabled Can. Soldiers, on M. (Mr. Broder) for Cor., 4697.
Borden, R. L., Halifax.
Alaskan Boundary Arbitration, Documents re Delay in bringing down (remarks) 4928 (iii.)
[Stage Direction]
 Inquiry for Papers, 5578 (iii.)
[Stage Direction]
 Printing, &c. (remarks) 5759 (iii.)
Alien Labour Commission, Appnmt. of Counsel, &c. (remarks) 4331 (iii.)
Alliance Bank of Canada, on M. (Mr. Russell) to extend Time, 4408 (iii.)
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@:  Railway Bill (remarks) 5926 (iii.)
Canada and France SS. Line, Contract re, on M. (Mr. Casgrain) for Cor., 4704 (iii.)


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 75 (Mr. Cowan) in Com., 3979 (iii.)
Criminal Code 'fraudulent debtors) Amt. B. 86 (Mr. Bickerdike) in Com., 3983 (iii.)
Criminal Code (minerals) Amt. B. 76 (Mr. Wade) in Com., 4719 (iii.)
Documents, Public, &c., Withheld from Parlt., on prop. Res. (Mr. Haggart) 5794 (iii.)


Dom.   E@:  Political Interference in Militia (remarks) 4585. 4613 (iii.)



Borden, R. L.-Con.
Dundonald, Lord, Dismissal by Govt., Documents and Cor. referred to by Min. of Ag., &c., Inquiry for, 4685 (Hi.)

 Inquiry for Papers in Dept, of Agriculture, &c. (remarks) 4924 (iii.)

 on Further Cor. (remarks) 4927 (iii.)

 Confidential Cor. re (remarks) 5279 (iii.)


 Dismissal, Res. re Political Interference (Amt.) to Com. of Sup., 5355; Amt., 5387; Neg. (Y.- 42; N. 84) 5575 (iii.)

Documents withheld from Parlt., on
prop. Res. (Mr. Haggart) 5794 (iii.)

Employment of Counsel, &c. (remarks)
3944, 4055, 4331 (iii.)
_____Rep. of Judge Winchester, Inquiry for,
5578 (iii.)
.

Tronscontinental Line, Production of
Confidential Documents, on M. (Mr. Barker) for Papers, &c., 3963 (iii.)
Halifax Mail Delivery, the O'Connell Case (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5711 (iii.)
Halifax Post Office Clerks, Increase of salaries (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5713 (iii).
Halifax Station Accommodation, in Com. of Sup., 5976 (iii.)
I.C.R., Halifax Board of Trade, Res. re Train Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5917.

Supply Items, Misunderstanding re
Passing of (remarks) 5926 (iii.)


Lead Bounties B.: 
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 
Canada Temperance.   A@:  Rumour re Rep. of Judge Britton,
5925 (iii.)
Vanlcleek Hill Mail Service Complaints (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5716 (iii.)
West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 4686 (iii.)


Canada Temperance.   A@: 
Yukon Ter.   R@:  Res. (read) 5909 (iii.)

v
Boyd, Nat.-Con.
Railway Mail Clerks, N.W.T., Association, Pet. re Increased Allowance (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5756 (iii.)


Atlantic Fast SS.: Service, Negotiations re (remarks) 4143 (iii.)
Budget, on The, 4417 (iii.)
Canada and France SS. Line, Contract with M. Colombier, on M. (Mr. Casgrain) for Cor., 4701 (iii.)
Canada and Mexico SS. Service, Govt. Control re Rates (Ans.) 4695 (iii.)

St. John, N.B., as a Port of Call (remarks) 4143 (iii.)


Victoria B.C.: Inquiry for Ret. 5190 (iii.)

See ' France.'
Caron, Mr., Employment at St. Roch Traverse Lighthouse (Ques.) 4274 (iii.)
Champlain Wharf Construction, Selection of Site, &c. (Ques.) 4410 (iii.)
Colombier, M.: See " Can. and France, &c."
Criminal Code (minerals) Amt. B. 76 (Mr. Wade) in Com., 4720 (iii.)
" Druid," Str., Expenditure re Repairs (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5203 (iii.)
Dundonald, Lord, Dismissal, on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) re Political Interference, 5552 (iii.)
vi
index
Casgrain, T. Chase-Con.


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: Expenditure re (remarks) in Com. of
Sup., 5210 (iii.)
Geography of Canada, Date of Issue, Distribution, &c. (Ques.) 4695 (iii.)
G.T.P. Ry., British Subjects as Directors, Amt. to Ry. Act (remarks) 4142 (iii.)

 Directors to be British Subjects, in
Com, on Ry. Act Amt. B. 132, 5680 (iii.)
Grocers in Quebec, Names for Marine Dept.'s Supplies (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5235 (iii.)
I.C.R., Passenger Train between Causapscal and Ste. Flavie (M. for ret.*) 5094 (iii.)
Laferriere, Mr., Appnmt. as Gunner on Str. " Gauss " (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5211.
Lighthouse and Coast Service, in Com. of Sup., on M. (Mr. Hackett) that Com. rise, 5329 (iii.)


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 100 (Mr. PrSfontaine) in Com., 4057 (iii.)
Public Accounts Com., Meetings (remarks) 4218 (iii.)


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: Letter from Sec.	Treas.	of	Co. (read)
4235 (iii).
Christie, T., Argenteuil.
Ottawa River Ry. Co.'s B. 78 (Mr. Ethier) in Com., 4451 (iii.)
Clancy, J., Bothwetl.
Audit Act, Amt. and Consolidation, on M. (Mr. Lennox) for Sel. Com., 4320 (iii.)
Binder Twine Seizures, Payments to Agents, &c.	(Ques.) 4272 (iii).

 Prosecutions, &c.	Reps.,	Cor., &c. (M.
for copies) 5094 (iii).


Inquiry for Ret.,	5579, 5762,	5864, 5925.Book	Postage Rates, Increase	of	(remarks)
in Com. of Sup., 5719 (iii).
Business of the Hse., Committee Meetings (remarks) 5926 (iii).
Carbide Manufacture, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5316 (iii). '
Casualties on the St. Lawrence, Ref. to in Pamphlet of Min. of Mar. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5208 (iii).
Cattle Importation from U.S. and Mexico (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4114 (iii).
Coal Oil Duties, Payment of Bounties, &e. (remarks) 4668 (iii).
Davis Contract re Cornwall Canal Lighting : See ' Audit Act.'
Farm and Garden Products, Protection re, on on Amt.. (Mr. Blain) 4030 (iii).
' Gauss,' Str., Emplymt. of Crew (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5216 (iii).
I.C.R., on Annual Statement (remarks) 5869.

 Expenditure re Capital Account (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5934 (iii).
Lighthouse and Coast Service, Campaign Sheet re, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5003 (iii).
Liquor Traffic among Indians, Fines, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5859 (iii)
Masters and Mates Certificates B. 4 (Mr. Lancaster) in Com., 5178 (iii).
Masters and Mates Examination (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5219 (iii).


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 101 (Mr. Prdfontaine) in Com., 4071, 5195 (iii).
Clarke, E. F.-Con.
Cigarettes, Prohibition of Sale, B. 128 (Mr. Maclaren) in Com., 5130 (iii.)
Drop Letter Rate, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5725 (iii.)
" Druid," Str., Expenditure re Repairs, &c.
(remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii.) Dundonald, Lord, G.O.C., Political Interference re Militia, on Personal Explanation (Mr. Fisher) 4648 (iii.)
Edmonton-Yukon Route, Pamphlet, Warning re Dangers (Ques.) 3942 (iii.)
Experimental Farm Labourers, Wages, &c.
(remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4959 (iii.)
G. T. P. Ry., Alien Labour Emplymt., Further Cor., Inquiry for, 5685 (iii.)

 Aliens Investigation, Emplymt. of
Counsel (Ques.) 4414 (iii.)

 (remarks) 4055 (iii.)

 Cor. re Applications for Employment,
since 30th May (M. for cor.*) 4725 (iii.) 

 Cor. from Engineers' Associations (remarks) 4926 (iii.)


Atlantic Fast SS.: 
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 100 (Mr. Prdfontaine) in Com., 4060 (iii.)
Postal Union Rates on Books (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5718 'iii.)
Railway Act (highway crossings) Amt. B. 2 (Mr. Lancaster) in Com., 5105, 5126 (iii.) Railway Mail Service, and Fair Wage Officer (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5758 (iii.)
Rural Mail Delivery, and U.S. System (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5750 (iii.)
viii

 Opportunity of discussing (remarks)
5183 (iii.) .
Supply :
Arts, Agriculture,.&c. (experimental farms) 4959 (iii.)
Civil Govt.-Railways (salaries) 5907 (iii.) Ocean and River Service (Govt, steamers, repairs, &c.) 5202 (iii).
Weights and Measures (inspectors' salaries) 4043 (iii.)'
Telephone System and Govt. Ownership (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5746 (iii.)
Toronto Harbour, Complaint re Navigation Equipment (remarks) 4684 (iii.)

 Expenditure re Capital Accounts (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5915 (iii).

 Expenditure re Increased Facilities,
&c., in Com. of Sup., 5945 (iii).
Emmerson, Hon. H. R.-Con.
I. C. R., Laplante and Beaulieu, Messrs., Investigations re Charges against them (Ans.) 5580 (iii).

Passenger Rates, Local and Through,
&e. (Ans.) 4275, 4411 (iii).

 Pay of Labourers (Ans.) 5761 (iii).

 Res. from Halifax Board of Trade re
Train Service to Sydney (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5917 (iii).


 Supply Items, Misunderstanding re
Passing of (remarks) 5926 (iii).

 Workingmen, Application re Increased
Wages (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5908.
Laehlne Canal Bank, Pay of Labourers, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5912 (iii).
Lachoine Canal Bank, Pay of Labourers (Ans.) 5583 (iii).
Maintenance of Way Men : See 'Brotherhood.'
Murray Harbour and Hillsborough Bridge, Contract re (remarks) in Com. of Sup.,
5999.
Murray Harbour Branch Ry., P. E. I., Total Cost of Excavation (Ans.) 4826 (iii).
See ' Hillsborough.'
New Brunswick Southern Ry. Co.'s B. 143 (Mr. Gibson) on M. to receive Pet., 5186 (iii).
Port Arthur and Fort William Telephone, Ref. to Supreme Court (Ans.) 4274 (iii).
P. E. I. Ry., Lighting of Cars (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5930 (iii).
Railway Act (highway crossings) Amt. B. 2 (Mr. Lancaster) in Com., 5104 (iii).
Railway Standard Passenger Tariffs (Ans.) 5580, 5760 (iii).
St. Ours Locks, Pay of Labourers (Ans.) 5583 (iii).
Soulanges Canal, Pay of Labourers. See ' Cascades.'
Standard Oil Co. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5932 (iii).
Supply :
Civil Govt.-Railways (contingencies, printing) 5911 ; (salaries) 5892 (iii). Railways-I. C. R. (additional sidings) 5937; (air brakes, for freights) 5922 ; (Amherst station) 5957 ; (Amqwi station) 5964 ; (bridges, strengthening) 5918 ; (Canso ferry service) 5977 ; (Chaudiere junction) 5973 ; (draw-bars) 5923 ; (facilities, &c.) 5945 ; (Grand Narrows bridge) 5978 ; (Halifax, accommodation) 5973 ; (Halifax, deep water dredging) 5951 ; (Levis accommodation) 5921 ; (Little Metis station) 5953 ; (Machinery for locomotive shops) 5924 ; (North Sydney improvements) 5976 ; (Pintsch gas) 5927 ; (Restigouche Bridge superstructure) 5948; (Rivigre du Loup shops) 5972 ; (Ste. Fla-vie accommodation) 5976 ; (St. John accommodation) 5973 ; (semaphores) 5986 ; (Stellarton station) 5969 ; (Sydney increased accommodation) 5914, 5976; (ves-
X

Emmerson, Hon. H. R.-Con.
Supply-Con.
Railways-I. C. R.-Con. tibule equipment) 5937 ; (water supply) 5964 ; (Windsor, station) 5955 (iii). Railways-P.E.I. (Alberton station) 6009 ; (Breadalbane freight sheds) 5998 ; (Charlottetown station) 5991 ; (Curtis Creek line) 5987 ; (Kensington accommodation) 5986 ;	(M.C.B. couplers) 5998 ; (Montague
bridge surveys) 6011 ; (steam heating cars) 5998; (Westinghouse brakes) 5989.
Erb, D. K., South Perth.
Seeds, Inspection and Sale B. 125 (Mr. Fisher) in Com., 4948 (iii).
Ethier, J. A. C., Two Mountains.
Ottawa River Ry. Co.'s (B. 78) in Com., 4451. Fielding, Hon. W. S. (Minister of Finance), Shelburne and Queen's, N.S.
Alliance Bank of Canada, on M. (Mr. Russell) to receive Pet., 4408 (iii).
Auditor General, Par re Conditional Resignation (remarks) 5586 (iii).

Incomplete Ret. (remarks) 5183 (iii).

 on Ques. of Order re M. to adjn. iremarks) 4593 (iii).
Estimates, Suppl. (1904) Presented, 5733 (iii).
Fishery Award, Methods of Payments to Provs. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5049 (iii).
Fishery Conference, Negotiations re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5049 (iii).
Fishing Bounties, Methods of Payments (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5043 (iii).
German Surtax :	Remarks on The Budget,
4350 (iii).
Hillsboro' Bridge, P.E.I. Ry., Tolls, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6004 (iii).
I.C.R., Expenditure re Capital Account (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5916 (iii).

 (remarks) on The Budget, 4351 (iii).
Rebate Duty and Dumping Clause (remarks) 5742 (iii).
Steamboat Inspection Act, &c. (remarks) re Discussion, 5183 (iii).
Supply :
Civil Govt.-Railways (salaries) 5904 (iii).

 Explanation, Cor. (read) 4580 (iii).

 Personal Explanation, 4603 (iii).

 confidential cor. re (remarks) 5279 (iii).


Canada Temperance.   A@: 
Labour Union Labels B.: 
Yukon Ter.   R@: 
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 100 (Mr. Prefontaine) in Com., 4065 (iii).


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: Alleged Frauds (remarks) in Com.,
5002 (iii).
Fishery Conference, Negotiations re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5051 (iii).
' Gauss,' Str., Expenditure re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5215 (iii)-Lighthouse and Coast Service, in Com. of Sup. (M.) that Com. rise, 5322, 5328 (iii). McGee, D'Arcy, Erection of a Monument to (Ques.) 3942 (iii).
Hackett, E.-Con.
Militia Camps, P. E. I., Complaints re Barrack Grounds, Par. from ' Daily Patriot/ (remarks) 5572 (iii).
Monuments on Parliament Hill, Erection of, &c. (Ques.) 3942 (iii).
O'Leary Branch Line, P.E.I. Ry>, Pet. re (read) 6012 (iii).
Oyster Culture (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5033 (iii).
P. E. I. Ry., Lighting of Cars (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5930 (iii) -Rattenbury, Mr., Payment of Commission r# Freight Delivery (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii).
* Stanley,' Str., Accident at Yarmouth (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5218 (iii).

Removal from Summerside Route (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii).
Supply :
Civil Govt.-Marine and Fisheries (salaries) 5001 (iii).
Ocean and River Service (Govt, steamers, repairs, &c.)	5202 ; (marine biological
station) 5290 (iii).
Quarantine (cattle) 4210 (iii).
Railways-I. C. R. (Pintsch Gas) 5930 ; P. E. I. (Alberton station) 6010 ; (Charlottetown station) 5991; (Curtis Creek straightening line) 5987 ; (Hillsboro Bridge) 5999 ; (Kensington accommodation) 5986 ; (Montague bridge surveys) 6011 ; (Murray Harbour Branch) 5999 ; (Westinghouse brakes) 5989 (iii).
Haggart, Hon. John, South Lanark.
Alliance Bank of Can., on Rep. from Sel. Com. (remarks) 4997 (Iii).
Audit Act and Auditor General, on M. (Mr. Lennox) for Sel. Com.. 4305 (iii).
Companies Act (1902) Amt. B. 75 (Mr. Cowan) in Com., 5097 (iii).
Corwall Canal and Davis Contract re Lighting, on M. (Mr. Lennox) for Sel. Com. on Audit Act, 4305 (iii).
Davis, Mr., Contract : See ' Cornwall Canal.' Documents, Confidential, &c., withheld from Parlt., Notice of Motion, 5743; prop. Res., 5762 (iii).
Dundonald, Lord, G.O.C., Political Interference re Militia, on Personal Explanation (Mr. Fisher) 4643 (iii).

 See ' Documents.'
Edmonton Street Ry. Co.'s B. Ill (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 5499 (iii).
Fishery Award, Methods of Payments to Provs. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5048. Fishery Conference. Negotiations re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5048 (iii).
Fishing Bounties Payments, Alleged Frauds, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5002 (iii). Free Importations, Date, &c. (remarks) 5742.



Haggart. Hon. John-Con.
Gironcoli, S., Patent Relief B. 126 (Mr. Mackinnon) in Com.,	5034	(iii).Govt. Legislation,	on	Stmnt.	(Sir	Wilfrid
Laurier) 4998 (iii).
G. T. Pacific Ry., Public Documents :	See
' Documents.'
I.C.R., Enormous Expenditure, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup.,	5958	(iii).

Expenditure	re Capital	Account,	&c.
(remarks )in Com. of Sup., 5915 (iii).


Northern Bank B.:  Morning Sittings (M.) 5842! (iii).

Ry. Bill (remarks)	5926	(iii).
See ' Govt. Business.'
Canada and France SS. Line, Contract re, on M. fMr. Casgrain) for Cor., 4703 (iii).

	on Inquiry for	Ret.,	5191	(iii).
See	' France.'
Canadian Ensign and Merchant Marine (remarks) on (Mr. Kaulbaeh) to adjn., 5276. Colombier, M., Contract re Can. and France SS. Line, or M. (Mr. Casgrain) for Cor., 4703	(iii).

	See ' France..'
Committee Meetings, on M. (Mr. Cowan) for concurrent Sittings with Hse., 5844, 5861. VOL. Ill-B
Laurier, Rt. Hon. Sir Wilfrid-Con.
Cornwall Canal and Davis' Contract re Lighting, on M. (Mr. Lennox) for Sel. Com. re Audit Act, 4301 (iii).
Davis Contract re Lighting Cornwall Canal : on M. (Mr. Lennox) for Sel. Com. re Audit Act, 4301 (iii).
Documents, Public, withheld from Parlt., on prop. Res. (Mr. Haggart) 5783 (iii).
Dom. Day Adjournment (M.) 5842 (iii).

 (remarks) 5762 (iii).
Dry Dock, Lachine Canal, Memorial from Montreal Board of Trade (Ans.) 4273 (iii). Dundonald, Earl of, Political Interference with Militia (remarks) 4492 (iii).

 on Personal Explanation (Mr. Fisher)
4586 ;	' Foreigner,' 4619 ; Explanation re,
5545 (iii).

 on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) re Political Interference, 5531 (iii).

 explanation re ' Foreigner,' 5545 (iii).

 Confidential Cor. re (remarks) 5278.

Cor. re Political Interference (remarks) 4926 (iii).

O. C. and Cor. (M.) to print, 4924 (iii).

Documents withheld from Parlt., on
prop. Res. (Mr. Haggart) 5794 (iii).

 on Inquiry for Cor. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.)
4686 (iii).

 O. C. laid on Table, 4823 (.iii).

Production of Original Gazette, 5455.
Farm and Garden Products, Protection re, on Amt. (Mr. Blain) 4012 (iii).
France and Canada SS. Service, Arrival of ' Malou,' Cancelling of Contract, &c. (Ans.) 4274 (iii).

See ' Canada and France.'
Fishing Bounties, Principle of Payment (Ans.) 4695 (iii).
Geography of Canada, Date of Issue, Distribution, &c. (Ans.) 4695 (iii).
Govt. Business, Legislation, &e. (remarks) 4829 (iii).

 Precedence on Mondays (M.) 4997 fiii).

Stmnt. of Legislation to be brought
down (remarks) 4998 (iii).

 See ' Business,' &c.
Govt. Legislation re Dom. Elections Act, &c. (stmnt.) 5191 (iii.)
G. T. P. Surveys, Aliens employed, Constitution of Commission (remarks) 4142 (iii).

 emplymnt. of counsel re (remarks) 3944,
4055 (iii).

 suppl. cor. from Associated Engineers
(remarks) 4827 (iii.)

 British Subjects as Directors, and Ry.
Act Amts, (remarks) 4142 (iii).
*

 Production of Confidential Documents,
on M. (Mr. Barker) re Construction, &c., 3958. Hillsborough Bridge : See ' Murray Harbour.'
xvin

Laurier, Rt. Hon. Sir Wilfrid-Con.
Joint High Commission, Instructions, &c., Papers laid on Table, 5761 (iii).
McGee, D'Arcy, Erection of a Monument to (Ans.) 3942 (iii).
Man. Voters' Lists, Revision by Dom. Govt., &c. (remarks) 4999 (iii).
Montreal Harbour, Free Port, on M. (Mr. Kemp) for Letter of Hon. Mr. Tarte to Prime Min., 5092 (iii).
Morning Sittings : See ' Business of the Hse.'
Murray Harbour Bridge, on Inquiry for Ret., 4055 (iii).
Napoleon Bridge, Lachine Canal, Rep. re Delay (Ans.) 3941 (iii).
New Brunswick Southern Ry. Co.'s B. 143 (Mr. Gibson) on M. to receive Pet., 5184 (iii).
Official or Private Cars, Construction, &c., by Govt., on M. (Mr. Tolton) for Ret. (amt.) 5094 (iii) .
Ottawa Electric Co.'s B. 110 (Mr. Champagne) in Com., 4239 ; on objection (Mr. Clancy) to reading stmnt. of Sec.-Treas. of Co., 4236 (iii______on quoting ' Bourinot ' (remarks) 4241.
Ouelle Riviere and Murray Bay Ferry, Contracts re (Ans.) 4274 (iii).
Preferential Tariff, Importations re Canadian ports, on prop. Res. (Mr. Logan) 5088 (iii).
Private Bills, Extension of Time, on M. (Mr. Gibson) 5353 (iii).
Ry. Committee, on M. (Mr. Hyman) to sit during Sittings of Hse., 5861 (iii).
Representation in P.E.I. and N.B., Factum for Privy Council (remarks) 5000 (iii).
Rio Janeiro Tramway, Light & Power Co.'s B. 142, on M. (Mr. Calvert) to receive Pet., 4823, 4997 (iii).
Seal Fisheries, Payment of Claims re Seizures (remarks) 5354 (iii).
Toronto Harbour, Complaint re Nav. Equipment (remarks) 4685 (iii).
Transportation Commission, Rep. re (Ans.) 5271 (iii).
Treadgold Concession, Cancellation of, O. C., &c. (remarks) 5762 (iii).

See ' Lobsters/ &c.
Lighthouse Pamphlets re St. Lawrence, &c. for uampaign Literature (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5010 (iii).
Lobster Fisheries, P.E.I., Pet. re Granting Licenses tor Packing &c. (M.) to adjn., 4669 (ill).

 Pet., Cor., &c. (read) 4669 (iii).
Lobster Fishermen, Bounties to, &c, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5020, 5044 (iii). 

 See ' Fish,' &c.
Mail Service at Lot 14, P.E.I. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5748 (iii).
Montague Bridge Harbour Master, Dismissal, &c. (Ques.) 4413 (iii).
Murray Harbour Branch, P.E.I. Ry., Cost of Excavation, &e. (Ques.) 4826 (iii) .
Murray Barbour and- Hillsborough Bridge Ret., Inquiry for, 4054, 4580 (iii).
North Enmore Postoffice, Establishment of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5748 (iii).
P.E.I., Postoffice Inspector (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5748 (iii).

Winter Mail Service, Special Trains,
Rates, &c. (Ques.) 5581 (iii).



Maclean, W. F.-Con.


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@:  Confidential Papers re, laid on Table
(remarks) 5276 (iii).

 Incomplete Ret. (remarks) 5182 (iii).
Farm and Garden Products, Protection re, on Amt. (Mr. Blain) 4013 (iii).
Goodrick, Henry, Resignation from P. O. Dept. (M. for cor.) 3949 (iii).
G. T. Ry., Terminal Facilities, Montreal, Amounts paid (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5923 (iii).
Hillsborough Bridge, Tolls collected (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6001 (iii).
Lachine Canal Bank, Cor. on behalf of Municipality (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5912.
Little Rapids, Removal of Obstruction (remarks! in Com. of Sup., 5285 (iii).
Monk, F. D.-Con.
Montreal Postoffice, Complaints re Delivery, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5698 (iii). Montreal Turnpike Trust and Westmount, on M. for Cor. (Mr. Rivet) 3947 (iii). Postoffice Employees, Extra Remuneration (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5698 (iii). Supply:
Civil Govt.-Railways (printing, &c.) 5911. Ocean and River Service (removal of obstruction) 5285 (iii).
Postoffice (Montreal, postoffice accommodation) 5698 (iii).
Railways-I.C.R. (Grand Narrows bridge) 5984; P.E.I. (Murray Harbour branch) 5999 (iii).
Morin, J. B., Dorchester.


Wolford Centre P.   O.@: 	See ' G.T.P.Ry.,	&c.
Book	Postage Rates,	Increase	of (remarks)
in Com. of Sup., 5716 (iii).
Bronte Harbour Light (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5826 (iii).
Campaign Literature re Public Works (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5004 (iii).
Carbide Manufacture, Monopoly, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5308 (iii). Charlottetown, P.E.I., Postoffice, Free Mail Delivery (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5747. Chesley, Ont., Postmastership, Vacancy, &c. (Ans.) 4825 (iii).
Dargavel, John, Dismissal from Elgin Postoffice (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5690 (iii). Detroit P. O., Dorchester County, Recommendation, &e. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5749 (iii).
Dom. Steel Co.'s Strike, N.S., Cor. between Govt, and Co. (read) 4215 (iii).
Drop Letter Rate, &e. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5725 (iii).

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Mulock, Hon. Sir Wm.-Con.
Fair Wage Res., Application to Dom. Iron and Steel Co. (Ans.) 5866 (iii).
Franking Privilege re Campaign Literature (Ans.) 5271 (ili).
Galt Post Office, Better Accommodation (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5715 (iii).
Govt. Employees on Rys., Redress as to Injuries (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5849 (iii).
Govt. Ownership : See ' Telephone System.'
G.T.P. Surveys, Employment of Aliens, Cor. with Engineers' Association (remarks) 4926.

 on Inquiry for Further Cor., 4827, 5685.

 Rep. of Judge Winchester, on Inquiry
for, 5578 (iii).
Grimsby Postoffice, Complaints re Accommodation, Rep. re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5694 (iii).
Halifax Mail Delivery, The O'Connell Case (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5712 (iii).
House of Commons P. O., Reorganization, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5853 (iii).
I. C. R. and P. E. I. Rys., Accidents and Loss of Life, Names, &c. (Ans.) 5840 (iii).
Labour Commission, 1886, Cost, &c. (Ans.) 4824 (iii).
Laschinger, Mr., Appnmt. as Ass't. Secy, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5754 (iii).
Letter Carriers, Cor. re P. 0. Act Amt. (statement) 5845 (iii).

Pressure re accepting New Scheme (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5754 (iii).
Mail Bag Repairs (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5756 (iii).
Maynooth Postmaster, Dismissal, &c. (Ans.) 5841 (iii).
Montreal Postoffice, Complaints re Accommodation, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5702.
New Brunswick Southern Ry. Co.'s B. 143 (Mr. Gibson) on M. to receive Pet., 5186 (iii).
Newspapers, Canadian, Sums collected for Carriage from 1897 and June, 1903, to Apl., 1904 (Ans.) 4825 (iii)
Ottawa Postoffice Employees, Bonus re Fire (remarks) 5587 (iii).
Owen Sound, Complaints re Postal Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5645 (iii).
Postal Union Rates, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5718 (ill).
Postal and Parcel Rates, Comparison with European System (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5744 (iii).
Postmasters' Guarantee Fund (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5850 (iii).
Postoffice Employees, Extra Remuneration (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5702 (iii).

 Life Insurance (remarks) in Com. of
Sup., 5848 (iii).

 Outside Service, Increased Remuneration, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5713.
Mulock, Hon. Sir Wm.-Con.
Postoffice Dept., Pamphlet re Salaries, Deficiency, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5588 (iii).
Postoffice Finances, Rep. of Auditors re Investigation (read) 5605 (iii).
Postoffices opened, Number, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5745 (iii).
P. E. I. Winter Mail Service, Special Trains, Rates, &c. (Ans.) 5581 (iii).
Railway Mail Clerks, N. W. T., Pet. re Increased Allowance (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5757 (iii).
Rural Free Mail Delivery, and U. S. System (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5750 (iii).


St.   T@:  Confidential Cor., &c. (remarks) 4927.

 Letters of Mr. H. Walker (remarks) 4827 (iii).


Wolford Centre P.   O.@: , Closing, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5750 (iii).
Northrup, W. B., East Hastings.
Dundonald, Lord, G. O. C., Political Interference re Militia, on Personal Explanation (Mr. Fisher) 4633 (iii).
Oliver, F., Alberta.
Edmonton Street Ry. Co.'s (B. Ill) in Com., 5499 (iii).
Hudson's Bay and N.W. Ry. Co.'s (B. 68) on Sen. Amts., 4627 (iii).
West Canadian Collieries Limited (B. 80) M. for Com., 4271 ; in Com., 5034 ; (M.) to ref. back to Com. on Private Bills, 5034 ; in Com., 4686, 4691, 4866, 5864 (iii).
Osier, E. B., West Toronto.
Acetylene Gas Cos., Purchase for Lights, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5307 (iii).
Budget, On The, 4492 (ill)-

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Osier, E. B.-Con.
Dundonald, Lord, G. 0. C., and Political Interference re Militia (remarks) on M. . to adjn., 4623 (iil).
Lighthouse Board Organization (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5327 (iil).
Napanee River Buoy Service, Contract re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5339 (iii). Naval School for Militia, in Com. of Sup., 5267 (iii).
Ottawa Carbide Co.'s Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5307 (iii).


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 101 (Mr. Prefontaine) in Com., 4074, 5196 (iii). Supply :
Lighthouse and Coast Service (acetylene gas lights) 5307 (iii).
Ocean and River Service (Govt, steamers, repairs, &c.) 5201 ; (marine biological station) 5290; (naval militia) 5267; (wrecking expenditure) 5262 (iii).
Quarantine, Que. (Grosse Isle steamer), 4198.
Wrecking Investigations, Expenditure re, in Com. of Sup., 5264 (iii),
Parmelee, C. H., Shefford.
Cigarettes, Prohibition and Sale B. 128 (Mr. W. S. Maclaren) in Com., 5141 (iii).
Paterson, Hon. Wm. (Minister of Customs), North Wentworth and Brant.
Cab-hire for Ministers (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5015 (iii).
South Africa, Exports from Canada, Value, &c. (Ans.) 5270 (iii).
Pope, R. H., Compton.
Budget, on The, 4446, 4452 (iii).
Dundonald, Lord, Dismissal, on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) re Political Interference, 5521.

on Personal Explanation (Mr. Fisher)
4651 (iii).
Govt. Railways, Operating Expenses, Receipts, . &c. (Ques.) 4823, 5760 (iii).
Japan, Trade re, in Agricultural Products (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4125 (iii).
Supply :
Arts, Agriculture, &c. (exhibitions) 4098. yuaranune-r.o. (steamers, &c.) . 4206 ; Generally (cattle) * 4209 ; Que. (Grosse Isle steamers) 4192 (iii).
Porter, E. G., West Hastings.
Maynooth Postmaster, Dismissal, &c. (Ques.) 5841 (iii). '
Steamers sold by Govt., Price, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4205 (iii).
Supply :
Quarantine-B. C,. (steamers, &c.) 4205 (iii).
Prefontaine, Hon. Raymond (Minister of Marine and Fisheries), Maisonneuve.
Acetylene Gas Contracts, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5030 (iii).

 Installation System, &c. (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 5813 (iii).

Lights (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5305.

Maintenance, &c. (remarks) in Com. of
Sup., 5832 (iii).
Aids to Navigation : in Com. of Sup, 5813 (iii).
Alberton, P.E.I., Buoy Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5345 (iii).

 Fishery Warden, Name, &c., Complaints re (Ans.) 4824 (iii).
' Bayfield,' Str., Sale of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5230 ; Letter of Mr. Harrison (read) 5231 (iii).
Bay of Fundy Lighthouse Service : in Com. of Sup., 5805 (iii).
Bernier, Capt., and Str. ' Gauss,' Production of Capt. Spain's Rep. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5284 (iii). '
See ' Gauss.'
Berrigan, Mr. John, P.E.I., Emplymt. by Govt. (Ans.) 4411 (iii).
Bounties to Fishermen, Method of Payments (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5037 (iii).
Bronte Harbour Light, Rep. of Mr. Anderson (read) in Com. of Sup., 5825 (iii).
Cab-hire for Minister of Marine (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5008 (iii).
Canadian and American Fishing Regulations re Order issued by Ont. Govt, (remarks) 5190.

 Memorandum re (read) 4578 (iii).

 (remarks) 4416, 4492 (iii).
Canadian Ensign and Merchant Marine, Replaced by British Flag at Argentine Republic (remarks) 5188 (iii).
C.P.R. Steamers Insurance Rate, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5819 (iii).
' Cape Breton,' Str. and Accident in St. Lawrence Channel (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5027 (iii).
Cape Traverse, P.E.I., Mail Contracts, Total Amount paid, &c. (Ans.) 4825 (iii).
Carbide Lighting for Buoys, Purchase of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5301 (iii).
Caron, Mr., Employment at St. Roch Traverse Lighthouse (Ans.) 4274 (iii).
Casualties and Accidents in St. Lawrence, Rep. from Lloyd's List (read) in Com. of Sup., 5820 (iii).
Casualties and Wrecks in Canadian Waters (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5836 (iii).

 Rep. of Commissioners re Pilots (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5832 (iii).
' Druid,' Str., Repairs, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii).

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False Ducks Lighthouse, in Com. of Sup., 5806 (iii).
Fishery Award, Method of Payments to Provinces (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5049 (iii).

Payment of Bounties (remarks) in Com.
of Sup., 5031, 5037 (iii).
Fishery Conference, &c., Negotiations re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5049 (iii).
Fishing Bounties Payments, Alleged Frauds, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5002 (iii).

 Fraudulent Payments, Appointment of
Commissioner, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii). .
Gas Buoys : See ' Acetylene Gas.'
' Gauss,' Capt. Bernier's reported Interview re Charges of Crew (remarks) 5221 (iii).

Expenditure re (remarks) in Com. of
Sup., 5210 (iii).
See ' Bernier.'
Georgian Bay Gas Lights, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii).
* Gulnare,' Str. for Tidal Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5287 (iii).
Halifax Harbour Lightship (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii).
Hope Island, Timber Cut by Manley Chew (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5240 (iii). Hydrographic Surveys on Lake Superior (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5836 (iii). Insurance Rates on Steamers re St. Lawrence Route, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5819 (iii).
Laferriere, Appointment as Gunner on Str.
' Gauss' (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5211. Lighthouse Board, Organization of, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5327 (iii). Lighthouse and Coast Service, Campaign Sheet re (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5003. See ' Supply.'.	*
Lighthouse Inspection, &e., Installation of Actylene Gas, General Statement, &c., in Com. of Sup., 5813 (iii).
Lighthouses, Salaries, &c., Ques. of Order in Com. of Sup., 5320 (iii).
Lindoe -Light, Change to Acetylene Gas, &c.
(remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5812 (iii).
Little Rapids, Removal of Obstructions (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5287 (iii).
Lobster Cultivation, &e. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5063 (iii).

 Bounties for, &c. (remarks) in Com.
of Sup. 5020 (iii).

 Extension of Close Season, Pet. re (remarks) 4927 (iii).
Lurcher Shoal Lightship (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii).
Magnetic Observatory, Toronto (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5836 '(iii).
Marconi Wireless Stations, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5834 (Uij.
Prefoptaine, Hon. Raymond-Con.
Marconi Wireless System, Installation in Gulf (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5829 (iii).

 Change to Acetylene Gas, &c., General Statement : in Com. of Sup., 5813 (iii).

Removal from Summerside Route, 5202.
Steamboat Inspection Act Amt. (B. 101) in Com., 4070, 5195 -(iii).
Steamboat Inspection (fog alarms) 5838 (iii).


Yukon Ter.   R@: See * Labour.'
Speaker, Mr. (Hon. N. A. Belcourt),. Ottawa.
Dundonald, Lord, G.O.C., on M. (Mr. Hughes) to adjn. (remarks) 4591 (iii).


Shipping Casualties Act B.: 102 (Mr. Prgfon-taine) on M. for Com., Better Order asked for, 5280 (iii).
Ventilation of Chamber, Opening of Windows, &c. (remarks) 4416 (iii).
Speaker, Mr. Deputy (Peter Macdonald), East
Huron.
Cigarettes, Prohibition of Sale B. 128 (Mr. Maclaren) in Com., 5162 (iii).
Lighthouse and Coast Service, in Com. of Sup., on M. (Mr. Hackett) that Com. rise, 5328 (iii).

 Ques. of Order, on h. m. using threatening language, 5330 (iii).

 Ques. of Order (Mr. Clancy) re contradicting an hon. member's statement,' (ruling) 4241 (iii).
Railways and Canals, Estimates in Com. of Sup., Irrelevancy of Discussion re Lachine Canal (ruling) 5913 (iii).
Supply Items, Passing of (remarks) 5926.
Sproule, T. S., East Orey.
Book Postage, Increase of Rates (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5719 (iii).
Business of the House, Legislation, &c. (remarks) 4958, 4998 (iii).
Cab Hire for Ministers (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5012 (iii).
Canadian Credit, Indemnity and Guaranty Co.'s incorp. B. 29 (Mr. Guthrie) in Com., 5297 (iii).
Cigarettes, Prohibition of Sale, B. 128 (Mr. Maclaren) in Com., 5145 (iii).
Companies Act (1902) Amt. B. 75 (Mr. Cowan) in Com., 5095 (iii).
Dom. Day Adjournment, on M. (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 5842 (iii).
Dundonald, Lord, Dismissal, Ques. of Order, on h. m. (Mr. Russell) calling members [DOT] mean and despicable creatures,' 5516 (iii).
Farm and Garden Products, Protection re, on Amt. (Mr. Blain) 4037 (iii).
Fishing Bounties, Methods of Payment, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5041 (iii).
Gas Lights in Georgian Bay, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii).
' .Gauss,' Str., Complaints re Crew (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5228 (iii).

 Rep. of Capt. Spain (remarks) in Com.
of Sup., 5285 (iii).
Govt. Employees travelling on Railways., Redress re Injuries (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5849 (iii).
Govt- Legislation, On Stmnt. (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 4958, 4998 (iii).
G.	T.P. Ry., Production of Confidential Documents, on M. (Mr. Barker) for Cor. re Construction, 3962 (iii).
H.	of C. P.O., Hours of Closing on Sundays (remarks) in Com. of Sup. ,5853 (iii).
Hydrographic Surveys on Lake Superior (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5836 (iii).
Indian Lands, Sale of Timber (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5857 (iii).
Kingston and Dom. Central Ry. Co.'s incorp. B. 123 (Mr. Harty) in Com., 5035 (iii).
Letter Carriers, Inquiry for Cor. re New Act, 5845 (iii).

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Lighthouse and Coast Service, in Com. of Sup., on M. (Mr. Haekett) that Com. rise, 5330.
Lighthouse Service on St. Lawrence, Political Pamphlet, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5017 (iii).
Liquor Traffic among Indians, Fines, &e., in Com. of Sup., 5858 (iii).
Marconi Wireless Stations, &c, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5835 (iii).
Masters and Mates, Fees of Examiners (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5809 (iii).
Militia Regulations re Increased Pay, &c. (Ques.) 5271 (iii).
Ottawa Electric Co.'s B. 110 (Mr. Champagne) in Com., 4186 (iii).


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 100 (Mr. Prfifontaine) in Ccm.. 4066 (iii).
Taylor, Geo., South Leeds.
Acetylene Gas used for Lighthousees, Information re (remarks) in Com. of Sup , 5029 (iii).
Cab Hire for Ministers, &e. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5007, 5013 (iii).
Canadian and American Fishing Regulation, Cor. from Mr. Bastedo, &c. (read) 4328 (iii).

 (remarks) 4416, 4492 (iii).

 Letter from Mr. Day (read) 5189 (iii).
Carbide Lighting, Purchase of, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5301 (iii).
Dargavel, John, Dismissal from Elgin Post Office (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5690 (iii). Experimental Farm at Ottawa, Total Expenditure (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4974. Fiddler's Elbow, Light on Lindoe Island, Change to Acetylene Gas (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5811 (iii).
Fishery Regulations between Can. and U. S., Cor. re (remarks) 4416 (iii).
See * Canadian,' &c.
Gananoque Shoals, Buoy Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5345 (iii).
Govt. Steamers, Expenditure re Repairs, &c.
(remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5205 (iii).
Hope Island, Timber cut by Manley Chew (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5251 (iii). Lighthouse and Coast Service, in Com. of Sup., on M. (Mr. Haekett) that Com. rise, 5333 (iii).

Thousand Island Buoy Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5345 (iii). Lighthouse-keepers on St. Lawrence, Dismissals, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5029. Lindoe Island Light, Dismissal of Mr. Wallace (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5811 (iii). Marconi Wireless Co.'s Contract, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5834 (iii).
Marine and Fisheries, Deptl. Contingencies, Cab Hire, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5007.
O'Donoghue, D. J., Political Speeches in B.C., &c. (remarks) 4077 (iii).
Ottawa Carbide Co.'s Contracts with Govt.
(remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5302 (iii). Prescott Carbide Co., Establishment of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5302 (iii).
' Star ' Newspaper, Canvassed for by Postmasters (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5691.

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Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 
Lead Bounties B.: 127 (Sir Richard Cartwright) in Com., 4056 (iii).
Napanee River, Buoy Contract, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5028 (iii).

 Cor. with Mr. Mowers (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 5233 (iii).

 Letter to Dept, re (read) 6335 (iii).
Personal Explanation (Mr. Roche, Hfx.) re Speeches in Hse. (remarks) 4141 (iii). '
Rio de Janeiro Tramway, Light and Power Co.'s B. 142 (Mr. Calvert) on M. to receive Pet., 4997 (iii).
Small-pox at North Bay (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 4156 (iii).
Speeches of Mr. Roche, Hfx., on Personal Explanation (Mr. Ingram) 4090 (iii).
Supply :
Adulteration of Food (fraudulent marking) 4091 (iii).
Arts, Agricuture, &c. (exhibitions) 4102 ;
(St. Louis exhibition) 4101 (iii).
Minor Revenues (ordnance lands) 4092 (iii). Postoffice (outside salaries) 5654 (iii). Quarantine

B. C. (small-pox inspection) 4156 (iii).
Railways-P. E. I. (Charlottetown station) 5991 ; (Murray Harbour Branch) 5999 ; (Westinghouse brakes) 5990 (iii)[DOT]
Voters' Lists, Printing and Distribution, Stmnt. of Prime Minister, Inquiry for, 4138.

 (remarks) 4330 (iii).
Wilton Postoffice Dismissal of Postmaster (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5654 ; Cor. re ' Private Correspondence,' &c., 5654 (iii). 

 Letters of Mr. Hiram Walker (remarks) 4827, 4927 (iii).
Wright, A. A., South Renfrew.
Cigarettes, Prohibition of Sale, B. 128 (Mr. W. S. Maclaren) in Com., 5140 (iii). Electrical Motors patented, Purchase in the U. S. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 5313 (iii). Preferential Tariff, Importations re Canadian Ports, on prop. Res. (Mr. Logan) 5085 (iii).


INDEX-SUBJECTS
[Stage Direction]
Accidents in St. Lawrence Channel, Defective Lighting, &c.: Remarks in Com .of Sup., 5027 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Rep. from Lloyd's List : Read (Mr. Pre-fontaine) 5820 (iii).
See ' Casualties,' ' St. Lawrence,' ' Lighthouse and Coast Service,' &c.
Acetylene Gas for Buoy Service, Purchase, Contracts, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 5301 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 General Statement (Mr. Prefontaine) in
Com. of Sup., 5813 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Used for Lighthouses, Information re
Contracts, &c. Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of Sup., 5029 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Cost of Maintenance : in Com. of Sup.,
5832 (iii).
Adulteration of Food : in Com. of Sup., 4091.
Aids to Navigation in St. Lawrence Route : in Com. of Sup., 5813 (iii).
See ' Lighthouse,' &c.
Air Brakes for I. C. R. Freight Cars : in Com. of Sup., 5922 (iii).
Alaskan Boundary Arbitration, Delay in Preparation of Documents : Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 4928 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Printing, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Borden,
Hfx.) 5759 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Inquiry for Papers (Mr. Borden, Hfx.)
5578 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Papers laid on Table, 5761 (iii).
Alherton, P.E.I., Buoy Service, Contract re : Remarks (Mr. Hackett) in Com. of Sup., 5345 (iii).
______ Fishery	Warden, Complaints re, &c. :
Ques. (Mr. Hackett) 4824 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Station, P. E. I., Ry.: in Com. of Sup.,
6009 (iii)
Alien Labour Commission, Appnmt. of Counsel : Announcement (Sir Wm. Mulock) 4331 (iii).
See * G. T. P. Surveys,' &c.
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 
Atlantic Fast SS.: Service, Negotiations re l Remarks (Mr. Clarke) 4143 (iii).
See ' Ocean and River Service.'
Audit Acts, Consolidation, &c. : See ' Finances of Canada.'	'
Auditor General and Consolidation of Audit Acts : M. for Sel. Com. (Mr. Lennox) 4275.

 Par. re Conditional Resignation :	Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 5583 (iii).
Automobiles, Toronto P. O. : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 5759 (iii).
Bait Freezers for Fishermen, &c.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5021 (iii).
'Bayfield,' Str.:	See '.Govt. Steamers,' &e.
Bay of Fundy Lights : in Com. of Sup., 5805.
Beaton, B.C., Wharf :	Inquiry for Ret. (Mr. Casgrain) 4685 (iii.
Bee Culture at Experimental Farms : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4965 (iii).
Bernier, Capt., Rep. of Capt. Spain re :	Remarks (Mr. Casgrain in Com. of Sup., 5284.
See ' Gauss.'
Berrigan, Mr. John, Fishery Officer, P.E.I., Employment by Govt. : Ques. (Mr. Lefurgey) 4410 (iii).
Bills, Royal Assent : Mess, from Dep. Gov., 4227 (iii).
Binder Twine Seizures, Payments to Agents, &c. : (Mr. Clancy) 4272 (iii).

 Prosecutions, Reps., &c. : M. (Mr. Clancy)
for Copies*, 5094 (iii).


 Inquiry for Ret. (Mr. Clancy) 5579, 5762,
5864, 5925 (iii).
Book Postage Rates, Increase in :	Remarks
(Mr. Borden, Hfx.) in Com. of Sup., 5716.
See ' Postal,' &c.
Bounties to Fishermen, Investigation re Frauds, Commissioner's Name : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii).

 Methods of Payment : Remarks in Com.
of Sup., 5036 (iii).



Bounties on Lead : See 'Lead.'
Breadalbane Freight Shed, P.E.I. Ry. ; in Com. of Sup., 5998 (iii).
Bridges, I.C.R., Strengthening, &c. : in Com. of Sup., 5918 (iii).
See 'I.C.R.'
Bronte Harbour Light : Remarks (Mr. Henderson) in Com. of Sup., 5825 (iii).

 Rep. of Mr. Anderson (read) 5825 (iii).
Budget, The, Financial Statement (Mr. Fielding) 4331 (iii).
Debate :
(Mr. Fielding) 4331 ; (Mr. Bell) 4374 ; (Sir Richard Cartwright) 4417 ; (Mr. Pope) 4446, 4452 ; (Mr. [DOT] Heyd) 4473 ; (Mr. Osier) 4492 ; (Mr. Thompson, Haldimand) 4502 ; (Mr. Lennox) 4527 ; (Mr. Campbell) 4536 ; (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) 4551 ; (Mr. Holmes) 4726 ; (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 4740 ; (amt.) 4766 ; Neg. (Y. 52 ; N. 110) 4922 ; (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 4766 ; (Mr. Broder) 4783 ; (Mr. Hughes, P.E.I.)	4795 ; (Mr. Wilson) 4806 ; (Mr. Armstrong) 4829 ; (Mr. Brodeur) 4857, 4867 ; (Mr. Kemp) 4872 ; (Mr. Bourassa) 4894 ; (Mr. Donnelly) 4913 ; (Mr. Haszard) 4915 ; Amt. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) Neg. (Y. 52 ; N. 110) 4922 (iii).
Business of the Hse., Legislation, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 4725 (iii).

Legislation re : Remarks (Mr. Sproule)
4958 (iii).

 Morning Sittings : M. (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 5842 (iii).

 Inquiry (Mr. Casgrain) for Ret., 5190.
See ' France.'
Canada and Mexico SS. Service, Govt. Control re Rates : Ques. (Mr. Smith, B.C.) 4694 (iii).

Ports of Calling :	Ques. (Mr. Earle)
4142 (iii).


Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@:  Memorandum (Mr. Prefontaine) read,
4578 (iii).

 Cor. (Mr. Taylor) read, 4328 (iii).

 Patents re : Remarks (Mr. Osier) in Com.
of Sup,, 5307 (iii).
Caron, Mr., Employment as Lighthouse Keeper, Salary, &c. : Ques. (Mr. Casgrain) 4274 (iii)..
Cascades, Soulanges Canal, Pay of Labourers : Ques. (Mr. Bruneau) 5582 (iii).
Casualties and Accidents re St. Lawrence Route, Rep. from Lloyd's List : Read (Mr. PrS-fontaine) in Com. of Sup., 5820 (iii).

 Rep. of Commissioners re Pilots : Remarks (Mr. Prdfontaine) in Com. of Sup., 5832 (iii.)

 Ref. to in Pamphlet of Min. of Mar.:
Remarks (Mr. Clancy) in Com. of Sup., 5208.
Cattle Exhibits for St. Louis Exposition : in Com. of Sup., 4105 (iii).
Cattle Feeding, &e. : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4967 (iii).
Cattle Inspection re Ocean Service : in Com. of Sup., 5292 (iii).
Cattle purchased in N. W. T. : See ' Animals,' &c.
Cattle Quarantine : in Com. of Sup., 4206 (iii).

M. (Mr. Cowan) to ref. tack to Private
Bills Com., 4686 (iii).
Chambly Canal, Stone Contract, Prices, &c. : Ques. (Mr. Monk) 5073, 5580 (iii).
*Champlain Wharf Construction, Selection of Site, &c. : Ques. (Mr. Casgrain) 4410 (iii).
Charlottetown, P.E.I., Free Mail Delivery : Remarks (Mr. Lefurgey) in Com. of Sup., 5747.

 Strike, N.S., Cor. between Govt, and Co.:
Read (Sir Wm. Mulock) 4215 (iii).

 Govtl. Action :	Remarks (Mr. Borden,
Hfx.) 4053 (iii.
See ' Iron and Steel Co.'
Doncaster Indian Reserve, Payment of Squatters' Claims : Remarks (Mr. Leonard) in Com. of Sup., 5859 (iii).
Doukhobors, Dispute with Dom. Govt., Investigation by Prof. Mavor : Ques. (Mr. Wilson) 4415 (iii). *
Draw-Bars on I. C. R. Cars: in Com. of Sup., 5923 (iii)
Drop Letter Rates, Reduction,. &e. : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 5725 (iii).
' Druid,' Govt. Str., Expenditure re Repairs : in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii)
Dry Dock, Lachine Canal, Memorial from Board of Trade, Montreal : Ques. (Mr. Gallery) 4273.
Dumping Clause in Tariff Res.: Remarks (Mr. Fielding) 5737 (iii).
Dundonald, Lord, Rep. of Speech at Military Dinner, Montreal, Par. in Ottawa ' Citizen' : Read (Mr. W. S. Maclaren) 4491 (iii)

 Personal Explanation (Mr Fisher) 4580,
4603 ; Memorandum from G. O. C.: Read (Mr. Sam. Hughes) 4596 ; Cor. between G. O. C., Govt, and Col. Smart: Read (Mr. Sam. Hughes) 4599 ; (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 4619 ; * Foreigner,' 4620 (iii).

 Dismissal, Amt. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) to
Com. of Sup., 5355 ; Amt. 5387 ; Neg. (Y. 42 ; N. 84) 5575 ; (Mr. Fisher) 5388 ; (Mr. Monk) 5411 ; (Sir Frederick Borden) 5422 ; (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 5455; (Mr. Russell) 5495, 5500 ; (Mr. Robinson, Elgin) 5518 ; (Mr. Pope) 5521 (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 5531 ; * Foreigner,' Explanation re, 5549; (Mr. Casgrain) 5552; (Mr. Ingram) 5565; (Mr. Hac-kett) 5572 (iii).


XXS11 INDEX
[Stage Direction]
Dundonald, Lord, Dismissal by Govt., Documents and Cor. referred to by Min. of Ag. Inquiry for (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 4685 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Memorandum re Col. Smart's Letter :
Papers laid on Table (Mr. Pisber) 5276.
[Stage Direction]
 production of confidential letters, &c.,
5276 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 O. C. re (remarks) 4823 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 0. C. and Cor. laid on Table : M. (Sir
Wilfrid Laurier) to print, 4924 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Further Cor. laid on Table (Mr. Fielding) 4995 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Further papers laid on Table, 5759 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Further Cor., &c.: Remarks (Mr. Borden,
Hfx.) 4926 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Incomplete Ret.: Remarks (Mr. Monk)
5182 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Personal Explanatiofi (Mr. Fisher) re
Military Experience, 5844 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Production of Original ' Gazette ' (Sir
Wilfrid Laurier) 5455 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Public Documents withheld : See ' Documents.'
Edmonton Street Ry. Co.'s B. No. Ill (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 5499 ; 3°*, 5500 (iii).
Edmonton-Yukon Route, Pamphlet, Warning re Danger : Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 3942 (iii).
Election Act :	See ' Representation.'
Engineers, Draughtsmen, &c.,'for Lighthouse Service : in Com. of Sup., 5833 (iii).
Estimates, Suppl. (1904) : Presented (Mr. Fielding) 5733 (iii).
Exchequer Court Act (right of appeal) Amt. B. No. 37 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) 3°	m.,	3999 ;
recom., 5192 ; 3°, 5194 (iii).
Exchequer Court Act (railway debts) Amt. B. No. 134 (Mr. C. Marcil) 1°*, 4666 (iii).
Exhibitions, Expenditure re : in Com. of Sup,, 4093 (iii).
Experimental Farms, General Expenditure : in Com. of Sup., 4959 (iii).
Express and Telephone Systems, Govt. Control: Remarks (Mr. Maclean) in Com. of Sup., 5731 (iii).
Fair-Wage Clause in Public Works Contracts, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Smith, B.C.) 4414 (iii).
See ' Public Works Contracts.'
[Stage Direction]
Application to Dom. Iron and Steel Co. :
Ques. (Mr. Kendall) 5866 (iii).
See ' Ry. Mail Clerks,' &c.
False Ducks Lighthouse :	in Com. of Sup.,
5806 (iii).
Farm and Garden Products, Tariff Protection re : Amt. (Mr. Blain) to Com. of Sup., 4004; Neg. (Y. 41 ; N. 76) 4041 (iii).
Farmers' Bank of Canada incorp. B. No. 131 (Mr. Guthrie) 1°*, 4138 ; 2°*, 4272 ; in Com., and 3°*, 5297 (iii).
Farm Labourers, Experimental Farms, Wages, &e.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4959 (iii).
Ferry Service at Canso :	See * Canso.'
Fiddler's Elbow, Light on Lindoe Island : Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of Sup., 5811.
Finances of Can. and Audit Act : M. (Mr. Lennox) for Sel. Com., 4275 (iii).
Fishery Award, Methods of Payments to Provs.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5031 (iii).
Fishery Conference, Negotiations re : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5049 (iii).
Fishing Bounties, Methods of Payment : in Com. of Sup., 5032 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Alleged Frauds : Remarks (Mr. Hackett)
in Com. of Sup., 5002 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Principle of Payment, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Lefurgey) 4695 (iii).
Fishing Regulations : See ' Can. and American.' &c.
Fog Alarms, Inspection : in Com. of Sup., 5838.
See ' Lighthouse,' ' Casualties,' &c.
France and Canada SS. Service, Arrival of Str.
' Malou,' Contract re, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Cas-grain) 4273 (iii).
See ' Canada and France.'
Franking Privilege re Campaign Literature : Ques. (Mr. Grant) 5271 (iii).
Fraudulent Debtors : See ' Criminal Code B. 86.'
Fraudulent Marking, Adulteration of Food, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 4091 (iii).
Free Importations and Tariff Res., Date of : Remarks (Mr. Haggart) 5742 (iii).
Fur-lined Coat, Purchase :	See ' Spain, Capt.'
Furniture Trade with Japan : Remarks in Coni, of Sup., 4129 (iii).
Galt, P.O., Accommodation, &c. : Remarks (Mr. Clare) 5715 (iii).
Gananoque Lights :	See ' Thousand Island
Shoals.'
Gas Buoys in St. Lawrence Route : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5828 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
See ' Acetylene Gas.'
' Gauss,' Str., Expenditure re, and Appnrnt. of Crew : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5210, 5221.
[Stage Direction]
Rep. of Capt. Spain re : Remarks in
Com. of Sup., 5285 (iii).
Geography of Canada, Date of Issue, Distribution, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Casgrain) 4695 (iii).
Georgian Bay, Gas Lights :	Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Survey of Indian Reserves :	Remarks
(Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 5856 (iii).
Gironcoli, S., Patent Relief B. No. 126 (Mr. MacKinnon) in Com., 5034 ; 3°*, 5035 (iii).
Gobeil-, Jos. E., Emplymt. by Govt., Salary, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Broder) 5581 (iii).
Gold Mining in N. S. :	See ' Criminal Code

[Stage Direction]
XXXli I
Goodrich, Henry, Resignation from Montreal P.O.: M. £or Cor. (Mr. Monk) 3949 (Iii).
Govt. Business, Further Legislation, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 4828 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Precedence on Mondays : M. (Sir Wilfrid
Laurier) 4997 (iii).
Govt. Employees Travelling on Rys., Redress re Injuries : Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 5849 (iii).
See ' I. C. R., Accidents.'
[Stage Direction]
Legislation, re Dom. Franchise, &c.:
Stmnt. (Sir "Wilfrid Laurier) 5191 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Legislation, Stmnt. (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 4998 (iii).
See ' Business.'
Govt. Ownership : See * Express,' ' Municipal,'
' Telephones,' &c.
Govt. Railways, Operating Expenses and Receipts, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Pope) 4823, 5760 (iii). See ' I. C. R.'
Govt. Steamers, Repairs, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 5199, 5229 (iii).
Grand Narrows Bridge Protection : in Com. of Sup., 5978 (iii).
G, T. P. Ry., British Subjects as Directors, Legislation re :	Remarks (Mr. Casgrain)
4142 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 remarks, 5679 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Production of Confidential Documents ;
Remarks (Mr. Barker) 3950 (iii.
[Stage Direction]
Public Documents withheld : See ' Documents.'
[Stage Direction]
Surveys, Emplymt. of Aliens, Appnmt.
of Counsel : Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 3944, 4055, 4142 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 4414 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 announcement (Sir Wm. Mulock) 4331.
______. cor. re applications for employment,
since 30th May :	M. (Mr. Clarke) for
Copies*, 4725 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 cor. with Associated Society of Engineers, Inquiry for Suppl. Cor. (Mr. Clarke) 4827, 4926 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 inquiry for further cor. (Mr. Clarke)
5685 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 inquiry for Judge Winchester's Rep. (Mr. Maclean) 5685 (iii),
[Stage Direction]
inquiry for (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 5578 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Traffic Arrangements, British Subjects,
&c. : in Com. on Railway Act Amt. B. 132, 5679 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Transcontinental Line, Papers, Documents re Construction : M. for Copies (Mr. Barker) 3950 (iii).
See ' Ry. Act Amt. Bills 73 and 132.'
G. T. R. Employees Insurance : See ' Ry. Act Amt. B. 73.'
[Stage Direction]
 Terminal Facilities at Montreal, Amounts
paid, &c. : Remarks (Mr. Monk) in Com. of Sup., 5923 (ill).

[Stage Direction]
Gregory, Col., Resignation, Political Interference, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 4590.
[Stage Direction]
 Personal Explanation (Mr. German) 4666.
Grimsby Postolfice, Complaints re Accommodation : Cor. read (Mr. Lancaster) 5685, 5696.
[Stage Direction]
 Rep. from Inspector (Sir Wm. Mulock)
read, 5694 (iii).
Grosse Isle Quarantine Station, Purchase of Steamers : in Com. of Sup., 4192 (iii).
' Gulnare,' Str., Employed in Tidal Service : in Com. of Sup., 5287 (iii).
Haanel, Dr., Rep. re Smelting Ores : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) 5354 (iii).
Halifax Board of Trade, Res. re I.C.R. Train Service to Sydney : Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) in Com. of Sup., 5917 (iii).
Halifax, Deep Water Dredging :	in Com. of
Sup., 5951 (iii).	.
[Stage Direction]
 Harbour Lighting System : Remarks (Mr. Blain) in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Mail Delivery, The O'Connell Case : Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) in Com. of Sup., 5711 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 P.O. Increase of Salaries: in Com. of Sup.,
5713 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Ry. Accommodation : in Com. of Sup.,
5973 (iii).
Highway Crossings : See ' Ry. Act Amt. B. 2.'
Hillsboro Bridge, P. E. I. Ry., Contract and Tolls, &e. : in Com. of Sup., 5999 (iii).
See ' Murray Harbour,' &c.
Hope Island, Timber Cutting by Manley Chew: Remarks (Mr. Bennett) in Com. of Sup., 5236 (iii).
-[DOT]

See ' Indian Lands,' &c.
Hopewell Cape Wharfs, N.B., Total Expenditure: Ques. (Mr. Daniel) 4412 (iii).
Horses imported, &c., and Horse-Breeders Association : Remarks (Mr. Roche, Marquette) in Com, of Sup., 4211 (iii).
H. of C., Postoffice, Locked Boxes for Members: (Mr. Henderson) in Com. of Sup., 5853 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Re-organization : in Com. of Sup., 5853.
[Stage Direction]
 Representation :	See ' Representation,'
&c.
Hudson's Bay and Northwest Ry. Co.'s B. No. 68 (Mr. Oliver) on Sen. Amts., 4627 (iii).
Huron and Ontario Ry. Co.'s B. No. 130 (Mr. Ross, Ont.) 1°*, 4138; 2°*, 4272 ; in Com. and 3°*, 5035 (iii).
Hydrographic Surveys : in Com. of Sup., 5836.
Immigration in G. B., Fraudulent Agents, Representations, &e. : Ques. (Mr. Smith, B.C.) 5071 (iii).
Imperial Oil Co., Contract re Car Lighting : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5932 (iii).
Indian Affairs, Civil C.ovt., Salaries : in Com. of Sup., 5854 (iii).
Indian Fund Grant for Suppression of Liquor Traffic : in Com. of Sup., 5858 (iii).
[Stage Direction]


Indian Lands, Sale of Timber : Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 5857 (iii).
Indians, Medical Attendance, Ont. : in Com. of Sup., 5854 (iii).
Indian Survey of Reserves : in Com. of Sup., 5855 (iii).
Innes, Mrs., Compensation to : in Com. of Sup., 5851 (iii).
Inspectors' Salaries, Weights and Measures : in Com. of Sup., 4042 (iii).
Insurance of G. T. R. Employees : See 4 Ry. Act Amt. B. 73.'
Insurance Rates re St. Lawrence Steamers : Remarks (Mr. Richardson) in Com. of Sup*, 5819 (iii).
I.C.R. and P.E.I. Rys., Accidents, Loss of Life, Compensation, &c. :	Ques. (Mr. Kendall)
5840 (iii).
I.C.R., Annual Statement of Minister, on M, for Sup., 5867 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Coal Supply, Discrimination re : Remarks
(Mr. Kendall) in Com. of Sup., 5963 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Expenditure re Capital Account : Remarks (Mr. Haggart) 5915 (iii).
*

Expenditure re Capital Account : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5933 (iii).
See 4 Govt. Rys.'
[Stage Direction]
 Facilities, Details of Expenditure :	in
Com. of Sup., 5945 (Iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Laplante and Beaulieu, Messrs., Investigations re Charges : Ques. (Mr. Gauvreau) 5579 (iii)i.
[Stage Direction]
 Locomotive Shops, Machinery : in Com.
of Sup., 5924 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Metapedia to Montreal, Pay of Labourers: Ques. (Mr. Bruneau) 5760 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Passenger Rates, Local and Through :
Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 4275, 4411 (iii).
See ' Ry. Standard Passenger Tariffs.'
[Stage Direction]
 Passenger Train between Cau3apscal and
Ste. Flavie : M. (Mr. Casgrain) for Ret.*, 5094 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Sidings, Additional along Line :	in
Com. of Sup., 5937 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Sydney Train Service :	See ' Halifax,'
' Sydney,' &c.
[Stage Direction]
Terminals at Montreal: See 4 G. T. R.,'
&c.
[Stage Direction]
Trackmen, Res. from Brotherhood of
Maintenance Way Men re Wages :	Res.
read (Mr Boyd) in Com. of Sup., 5909 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Water Supply along Line : in Com. of
Sup.. 5964 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Workingmen, Application for inceased
Wages : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 5907 (iii).
Iron and Steel Co., Bounty Payments to, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Kendall) 5841 (iii).
See 4 Dom. Iron,' &c.
Japanese Trade in Agricultural Products : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4125 (iii).
Joint High Commission, Instructions, &c., Papers laid on Table, 5761 (iii).
See 4 Alaskan,' &c.
Jones, Lt.-Col., Recommendation for Brigadier, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Hughes, Out.) 5867 (iii).
Jurisdiction of Supreme Court, &c. :	See
4 Supreme,' &e.
Kensington Station, P. E. I. Ry., Accommodation : in Com. of Sup., 5986 (iii)*
Kingston and Dom. Central Ry. Co.'s incorp. B. No. 123 (Mr. Harty) 5035 ; 3°*, 5035 (iii).
Labour Commission, 1886, Total Cost, &c. : Ques. (Mr. Smith, B.C.) 4823 (iii).
Labour Union Labels B.: 35 (Mr. R. Smith) M. to d-sch., 4214 (iii).


Lead Bounties B.:  Pressure re accepting New Scheme :
Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 5754 (iii).

 Promotions, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 5853.

 Toronto, Canvassing for Pet. re P.O. Act
&c.:	Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 4414 (iii).
See 4 Postofliee,' &c.
Letter Postage Reduction : Remarks (Mr. Henderson) in Com. of Sup., 5726 (iii).
Levis, I.C.R., Station, Accommodation :	in
Com. of Sup., 5921 (iii)

Platform Accommodation :	in Com. of
Sup., 5951 (iii).
Life Insurance re P.O. Employees : in Com. of Sup., 5847 (iii).
Life-Saving Awards : in Cmo. of Sup., 5258 (iii).
Life-Saving Stations, B.C.:	Remarks (Mr. Earle) in Com of Sup., 4200 (iii).
Lighthouse Agencies and Rents: in Com. of Sup., 5804 (iii).
Lighthouse Board, Organization of, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Prefontaine) in Com. of Sup.,
5327	(iii).
Lighthouse and Coast Service : in Com. of Sup., 5804 (iii).

M. (Mr. Hackett) that Com. rise, 5322,
5328	(iii).

 Ques. of Order (Mr. Speaker, Dep.)
5328 (iii).
5322,



Lighthouse and Coast Service, Pamphlet issued by Min. of Mar.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5003 (iii).

Salaries, &c: in Com ,of Sup., 5300.
Lighthouse Inspection : in Com. of Sup., 5813.
Lighthouse Keepers, Dismissal, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Ingram) in Com. of Sup., 5324 (iii).
Lighthouse Keepers on St. Lawrence, Dismissals, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of Sup., 5029, 5811 (iii).
Lindoe Island Light, Dismissal of Mr. Wallace : Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of Sup., 5811.
Liquor Traffic amongst the Indians, Suppression, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 5858 (iii).
Little Metis Station, I.C.R., Diversion of Road: in Com. of Sup., 5953 (iii).
Little Rapid, Removal of Obstructions in Channel : Remarks (Mr Monk) in Com. of Sup., 5285 (iii).
Lloyds Insurance :	See ' Lighthouse,' &e.
Lobster Fisheries, Payments of* Bounties to : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5020 (iii).
Lobster Fishing, Bounties to :	Remarks in
Com. of Sup., 5043 (iii).

Extension of Close Season, Pet. re :
Remarks (Mr. Bell) 4927 (iii).

 P.E.I., Licenses granted to Packers, Pet.
re : (Mr. Lefurgey) to adjn. Hse., 4669 (iii).

 Propagation, &c. : Remarks in Com. of
Sup., 5066 (iii).

 Regulation re :	Remarks in Com. of
Sup., 5069 (iii).
See ' Fishing,' ' Bounties,' &c.
Lurcher Shoal Lightship : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5831 (iii).
See ' Lighthouse?,' &c.
Maclean, Lt.-Col., Recommendation as Brigadier, &c. : Ques. (Mr. Hughes, Ont) 5867.
McGee, D'Arcy, Erection of a Monument to : Ques. (Mr. Haclcett) 3942 (iii).
Magnetic Observatory, Toronto : Remarks (Mr. Prdfontaine) in Com. of Sup., 5836 (iii).
Mail Bag Repairs : Remarks (Mr. Bell) in Com. of Sup., 5756 (iii).
Mail Clerks : See ' Ry. Mail Clerks.'
Mail Contracts, River John : in Com. of Sup , 5746 (iii).


Wolford Centre P.   O.@: Fees for Examinations : Remarks (Mr. Alcorn) in Com. of Sup., 5806 (iii).
Maynooth Postmaster, Dismissal, &c. :	Ques.
(Mr. Porter) 5841 (iii).
Medical Attendance, Indians, Ont. : in Com. of Sup., 5854 (iii).
Merchants Marine Ensign : See ' Canadian Ensign.'
Merritt, Maj. Gen., Appnmt. gazetted, &c. : Ques. (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 5073 (iii).
Mess, from His Ex. : Read (Mr. Speaker) 5733.
Military Experience re Dundonald Affairs : Personal Explanation (Mr. Fisher) 5844 (iii).
Militia Appnmts. and Political Interference : See ' Dundonald.'
Militia Camps, Complaints re Barrack Ground, P.E.I. : Remarks (Mr. Hackett) 5572 (iii).
Militia Investigation re Charges against Officers of 9th Battalion, Inquiry for further Cor. : (Mr. Casgrain) 4415 (iii).
Militia Regulations re Increased Pay, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Sproule) 5271 (iii).
Minor Revenue, Ordnance Lands : in Com. of Sup., 4092 (iii)
Montague Bridge, Harbour Master, Dismissal, &c. : Ques. (Mr. Lefurgey) 4413 (iii).


XXXV1 INDEX
[Stage Direction]
Morning Sittings :	See ' Business of the
House.'
Municipal Ownership : Remarks in Com. on Ottawa Electric Billl, 421S (iii).
See ' Govt. Ownership.'
Murray Harbour and Hillsborough Bridge, Ret.: Inquiry for (Mr. Lefurgey) 4054, 4580 (iii).
Murray Harbour Braneh Ry., P. E. I.: in Com. of Sup, 5999 (iii)
[Stage Direction]
Total Cost of Excavation : Ques. (Mr. Lefurgey) 4826 (iii).
Napanee River, Buoy Contract, &e.: Remarks (Mr. Wilson) in Com. of Sup., 5028 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Contract with Mr. Mowers, Cor., &c.:
Remarks (Mr. Wilson) in Com. of Sup., 5233, 5335 (iii).
Napoleon Bridge, Lachine Canal, Rep. re Delay, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Rivet) 3941 (iii).
Nappan Experimental Farm, Staff Increases, &c.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4961 (iii).
Naturalization :	See ' Aliens,' &c.
Naval Militia and. School of Navigation : in Com. of Sup., 5267 (iii).
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: 
Northern Bank B.:  Letter from Sec. Treas. of Co. : Read
(Mr. Champagne) 4235 (iii).

 M. (Mr. Birkett) to ref. back to Private
Bills Com. (ruling) 4176 (iii).

 Pet- from City Council read (Mr. Sproule)
4186 (iii).


Ottawa P.O.: 
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@: xxxvii
Pintsch Gas on I. C. R. Trains : in Com. of Sup., 5927 (iii).
Political Interference re Militia Appnmt. : See ' Dundonald.'
Port Arthur and Fort William Telephone, Ref. to Supreme Court, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Maclean) 4274 (iii).
Sec 4 Telephones,' &c.
Port Morien Breakwater, Reps., Rets., &c. : M. (Mr. Bell) for Copies*, 5094 (iii).
Postal and Parcel Rates, Comparison with European System : Remarks (Sir Wm. Mu-lock) 5744 (iii).
Postal Union Rates re Btook Postage : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 5718 (iii).
See 4 Book,' &c.
Postal Rates and Parcel Posts : in Com. of Sup., 5723 (iii).
Postmasters' Guarantee Fund : Remarks (Mr. Blain) in Com. of Sup., 5850 (iii).
Postmasters acting as Agents for Newspapers : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5691 (iii).
Fostoffice, Accounts, System, &c.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5600 (iii).
Postoffice Act Amt., &c.: Remarks (Mr. Puttee) 5677 (iii).
P. O. Campaign Pamphlet :	Remarks (Mr. Clancy) in Com. of Sup., 5588 (iii).
Postoffice Clerks, Promotions, &c.:	Remarks
(Mr. Bennett) in Com. of Sup., 5647 (iii).
Post office Deficits : Remarks (Sir Wm. Mulock) in Com. of Sup., 5605 (iii).

uepti. Salaries : in Com. of Sup., 5586 (iii)

 Employees, Extra Remuneration in Montreal P.O.: Remarks (Mr. Monk) in Com. of Sup., 5698 (iii).

 Employees Life Insurance Fund, &c.: in
Com. of Sup., 5847 (iii).

Finances, Auditing Accounts rc, &c. :
Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5600 (iii).

 Mail Service : in Com. of Sup., 5685 (iii).
Postoffices opened, Number, &c. :	Remarks
(Mr. Blain) in Com. of Sup,. 5745 (iii).
Postoffice, Outside Service : in Com. of Sup., 5845 (iii).	'
P.O. Service, Payments for General Service : in Com. of Sup., 5852 (nil.
Preferential Tariff, Importations to Canadian Ports : prop. Res. (Mr. Logan) 5074 (iii).
See 4 Tariff.'
Prescott, Carbide Factory, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of Sup., 5302 (iii).

Mail Connections at : Remarks (Mr. Reid,
Grenville) in Com. of Sup., 5649 (iii).
P. E. I. Militia Camps :	See 4 Militia Camps.'
P. E. I. and Terms of Confederation : Remarks in Com of Sup., 5320, 5329 (iii).
P. E. I. Ry.: in Com. of Sup., 5986 (iii).

 Lighting System on Cars : in Com. of
Sup., 5930 (iii).
See ' O'Leary.'
P. E. I. Winter Mail Service, Special Trains, Rates, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Lefurgey) 5581 (iii).
See 4 Winter Mail Service.'
Private Bills, Extension of Time : M. (Mr. Gibson) 5353 (iii).
Private Bills : M. (Mr. Johnston, N.S.) to extend Time for Posting, 5187 (iii).
Private Cars : See ' Official.'
Public Accounts Com., Meetings : Remarks (Mr. Casgrain) 4218 (iii).
Public Health Dept., Establishment of : Remarks (Mr. Vrooman) in Com. of Sup., 4150.
See 4 Quarantine.'	m
Public Ownership of, &c.: Remarks in Com. on Ottawa Electric Bill (Mr. Maclean) 4218.
See 4 Govt. Ownership.'
Public Works Contracts, and Fair Wage Clause, &c.: M. (Mr. Smith, B.C.) for Copies*, 5094.
See 4 Fair Wages,' &c.
Public Works Labourers, Salaries : Ques. (Mr. Bruneau) 5583 (iii).
Public Works Health Act : in Com. of Sup., 4137 (iii).
Quarantine, B.C., Purchase of Steamer :	in
Com. of Sup., 4199 (iii).

Small-pox Inspection : in Com. of Sup.,
4156 (iii).

 Mar. Provs., Inspection : in Com. of Sup.,
4160 (iii).

 N. W. T. Medical Inspection : in Com. of
Sup., 4146 (iii).

 N.S., Medical Inspection :	in Com. of
Sup., 4168 (iii).

 Public Health, 4137, 4145 (iii).
See 4 Public Health.'

 Que., Grosse Isle Steamers : in Com. of
Sup., 4192 (iii).

 (highway crossings) Amt. B. No. 2 (Mr. Lancaster) in Com., 5097 (iii).
Railway Committee,	Meetings	Concurrently
with Sittings of Hse.: M. (Mr. Hyman) 5860. Railways and Canals, Civil Govt., Salaries : in Com. of Sup., 5892 (iii).

Contingencies, Printing, &c.: in Com. of
Sup., 5911 (iii) r Ry. Debts :	See 4 Exchequer Court.'
Ry. Employees on Govt. Rys., Safety Appliances ' re : Remarks (Mr. Sproule) 5990 (iii).


XXXV111 INDEX
[Stage Direction]
Railway Mail Clerks and Fair Wage Officer : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup.., 5758 (Hi).
Railway Mail Clerks, N. W. T., Pet. re Increased Allowance :	Remarks (Mr. Boyd)
in Com. of Sup., 5756 (lii).
[Stage Direction]
Letter from Association :	Read (Mr. Boyd) 5757 (ill).
Railway Standard Passenger Tariffs :	Ques.
(Mr. Maclean) 5580, 5760 (iii).
See 'I. C. R.'
Rattenbury, Mr., Payment of Commission as # Freight Agent : Remarks (Mr. Hackett) in Com. of Sup., 5202 (iii).
Rebate on Goods :	See ' Tariff.'
Red Island Lightships, Pet. re, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Gauvreau) in Com. of Sup., 5323 (iii).
Refrigerators for Fish Bait, &c.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5047 (iii).
Representation Act (1903) Amt. B. No. 149 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) 1° m., 5863 (iii).
Representation in H. of C. of P. E. I. and N. B., Ref. to Privy Council, Factum re : Remarks (Mr. Haggart) 5000 (iii).
Restigouche Bridge Superstructure : in Com. of Sup., 5948 (iii).
Rideau Canal Bridges, Repairs, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Birkett) in Com. of Sup., 5914 (iii).
Right of Appeal Act : See ' Exchequer.'
Rio de Janeiro Tramway, Light and Power Co.'s (change of title) B. No. 142 (Mr. Calvert): M. to receive Pet., 4822, 49^7 ; 1°*, 5187 ; 2° m., 5299 ; in Com., 5865 ; 3°*, 5866 (iii).
River John Mail Contracts :	Remarks (Mr. Bell) in Com. of Sup., 5746 (iii).
Riviere du Loup Car Shops, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 5972 (iii).
Robertson, Eliza, Relief B. No. 141 (Mr. Holmes) 1°*, 5187 ; 2°*, 5579 ; in Com., and 3°*, 5866 (iii).
Robinson Treaty Annuities for Indians :	in
Com. of Sup., 5855 (iii).
Ross, Mr., Chief P.O. Inspector, Salary :	in
Com. of Sup., 5851 (iii).
Royal Assent :	See ' Bills.'
Rural Mail Delivery :	Remarks (Mr. Armstrong) in Com. of Sup., 5732, 5750 (iii).
St. Anne de Sorel, Ice Breaker, Building of, Pay of Labourers : Ques. (Mr. Bruneau) 5582 (iii).
St. Catharines Field Battery, on Personal Explanation (Mr. Fisher) 4589 (iii).
See ' Personal Explanation.'
Ste. Flavie Station Accommodation : in Com. of Sup., 5976 (iH).
See [DOT] I. C. R.'
St. John and Partridge Island Quarantine, Charges for Horse Hire : in Com. of Sup., 4145 (iii).
St. John Drill Hall, Option on Chipman Property :	Ques. (Mr. Daniel) 3941 (iii).
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 Harbour Dredging, &c.:	Ques. (Mr. Daniel) 5271 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Marine Hospital : in Com. of Sup., 5837.
[Stage Direction]
 Station Accommodation, I. C. R. : in
Com. of Sup., 5973 (iii).
See ' I. C. R.'
St. Lawrence Buoys : in Com. of Sup., 5804 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
Lighthouses, &e„ pamphlet for Campaign
Literature :	Remarks in Com. of Sup.,
5003 (iii).	.
[Stage Direction]
 Lighting, Change to Acetylene Gas : in
Com. of Sup., 5813 ' (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Navigation, Defective Guides : Remarks
in Com. of Sup., 5026 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Route Lighting : in Com. of Sup, 5810.
St. Louis Exhibition :	Remarks in Com. of
Sup,, 4101 (iii).
St. Maurice Slides and Booms, Pay of Labourers : Ques. (Mr. Bruneau) 5583 (iii).
St. Ours Locks, Pay of Labourers : Ques. (Mr. Bruneau) 5583 (iii).
St. Roch Traverse Lighthouse Keeper, Salary, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Casgrain) 4274 (iii). „
St. Thomas Postoffice, Appnmt. of Ass't. Postmaster : Remarks (Mr. Ingram) in Com. of Sup., 5746 (iii).
Safety Appliances for Ry. Employees re Govt. Rys. : Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 5990 (iii).
Salmon exported to U. S. from B. C., Prohibi-,tion, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Earle) 5354 (iii).
Sappers' Bridge, Ottawa :	See ' Rideau Canal
Bridges.'
School Furniture, Patent Relief B. No. 137 (Mr. Clare) 1°*, 4822 ; 2°*, 5073 ; in Com., and 3°*, 5866 (iii).
School of Navigation and Naval Militia : in Com. of Sup., 5267 (iii)
Scientific Institutions : in Com. of Sup., 5836.
Scottish Light Dragoons, and Political Interference : See ' Dundonald.' _
Sherbrooke Drill Hall, Political Interference : Cor. read (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 4594 (iii).
Shipping Casualties Act (1901) Amt. B. No. 102 (Mr. Prefontaine) 2° m., 5197 ; M. for Com., 5280 ; in Com., 5281 ; 3°*, 5284 (iii).
Shipwrecks and Submarine Signals : Remarks (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) in Com. of Sup., 5829 (iii).
Seal Fisheries, Seizing of Vessels, Payments of Claims :	Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.)
5354, 5454 (iii).
Seeds, Inspection and Sale B. No. 125 (Mr. Fisher) 2" m., and in Com., 4928 (iii).
Semaphores on I. C. R. : in Com. of Sup., 5986.
Similkameen and Keremeos Ry. Co.'s B. No. 136 (Mr. Morrison) 1°*, 4822 ; 2°*, 5073 ; in Com., and 3°*, 5866 (iii).
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Sloan, M. W., Compensation re Injuries :	in
Com. of Sup., 5846 (iii).
Small-pox Inspection in B. C. :	in Com. of
Sup., 4156 (iii).
Small-pox Prevention, Cor. from Provincial Board of Health, Man. :	Read (Mr. Roche,
Marquette) 4151 (iii).
[Stage Direction]
 Quarantine, Inspection in Man., &c. : in
Com. of Sup., 4151 (iii).
Sorel Wharf Contract, Pay of Labourers: Ques. (Mr. Bruneau) 5583 (iii).
Soulanges Canal Labourers :	See ' Cascades,'
&c.
South Africa, Exports from Canada, Value, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Smith, B.C.) 5270 (iii).
S. A. War, Pensions to Disabled Can. Soldiers: M. (Mr. Broder) for Cor., 4695 (iii).
Spain, Capt., Purchase of Fur-lined Coat : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5292 (iii).
Sprague's Falls Manufacturing Co.'s B. No. 42 (Mr. Ganong) in Com., 4270 ; on M. for 3°, 4270, 4452, 4686 (iii).
Standard Oil Co., Contract re Lighting Cars : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5932 (iii).
See ' Coal Oil,' &c.
' Stanley,' Str., Accident with ' Prince Edward ' at Yarmouth : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 5218 (iii).
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 Removal from Summerside Route : Remarks (Mr. Hackett) in Com. of Sup., 5202.
' Star,' Toronto, Newspaper Canvassing by County Postmasters : Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of Sup., 5690 (iii).
Animals Contagious Diseases Act Amt.   B.@:  and Fog Alarms : in Com. of Sup., 5838.
Steamers sold by Govt., Prices, &c.:	Remarks
(Mr. Porter) in Com. of Sup. 4205 (iii).
Steam Heating Apparatus, P. E. I. Ry. Cars : in Com. of Sup., 6998 (iii).
Stellarton Station, Increased Accommodation: in Com. of Sup., 5969 (iii).

 Train Service, I. C. R. :	Remarks in
Com. of Sup., 5917 (iii).
See ' North Sydney,' &c.
Tariff Rebates on Goods entered before Tariff Resolution was announced :	Remarks (Mr. Birlcett) 5741 (iii).
Tariff Resolutions, Date of Discussing :	Remarks (Mr. Henderson) 5743 (iii).

 Further :	Presented (Mr. Fielding)
5733 (iii).
See ' Preferential.'
Telephone System and Govt. Ownership : Remarks (Mr. Maclean) in Com. of Sup., 5745.
Telephone Question, Ref. to Supreme Court : Remarks (Mr. Maclean) 4726 (iii).
See ' Port Arthur.'


Canada Temperance.   A@:  Revenue Laws, Violation of, Names of
Persons, Fines, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Macpherson) 5582 (iii).
Toronto Harbour, Eastern Gap, Complaints re Bells and Bell Buoys : Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 4826 (iii).
*

 Remarks (Mr. Clarke) 4684 (iii).

Postoflice, Overtime of Clerks, Remuneration, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Clarke) 5753 (iii).
Toronto ' Star ' : See ' Star.'
Tracadie Lazaretto : in Com. of Sup., 4137.
Traffic Arrangements between Govt, and G. T. P. :	See ' Ry. B. 132.'
Transportation Commission, Rep. re :	Ques.
(Mr. Daniel) 5271 (ill).
Traverse and Cape Tormentine Mail Service, Iceboat Contracts :	Ques. (Mr. Lefurgey)
3943 (iii).
Treadgold Concessions, O. C. re Cancellation : Remarks (Mr. Casgrain) 5762 (iii).

Rep. of Commissioners :	Inquiry for
(Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 5578 (iii).

 Rep. re Suppression of Commissioners'
Rep.: Remarks (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 5925 (iii).
Trent Canal : Remarks (Mr. Ward) on M. for Sup., 5284 (iii).
Tyerman, Dr., Charges re Medical Inspection : in Com. of Sup., 4169 (iii).


Union Labels B.: No. 35 (Mr. Smith, B.C.) M. to dsehg., 4214 (iil).
See ' Labour Union Labels B. 135.'
Vaccine Stations Establishments :	Remarks
(Mr. Kendall) in Com .ol Sup., 4162 (iii).
Vaccine used in N. W. T. Quarantine Stations: Remarks (Mr. Daniel) in Com. of Sup., 4150.
Vankleek Hill Mail Service, Complaints re, in Com. of Sup. (Mr. Borden, Hfx.) 5716 (iii).
Ventilation of House of Commons, Opening of Windows, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Taylor) 4416.
Ventilation on Strs. ' Livonia,' &c., when leaving Montreal :	Ques. (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) 4490 (iii).
See ' Budget, Mr. Smith, Wentworth.'
Vestibule Equipment on I. C. R. Cars : in Com. of Sup., 5937 (iii).
Voters' Lists, Printing and Distribution : Remarks (Mr. Wilson) 4138 (iii).
Walpole Island Indians, Survey, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Clancy) in Com. of Sup., 5855 (iii).
Ways and Means-The Tariff (Mr. Fielding) 4331 (iii).

 Further Res.: Presented (Mr. Fielding)
5733 (iii).
Weights .and Measures, Inspectors' Salaries : in Com. of Sup., 4042 (iii).
West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. No. 80 (Mr. Oliver) : M. for Com., 4271, 4686, 4866, 5864 (iii).

M. to ref. back to Private Bills Com.,
5034 (iii).
Westinghouse Brakes on P.E.I. Ry. Cars : in Com. of Sup., 5989 (iii).
Westmount 'turnpike Trust: See 'Montreal,' &c.	[DOT]
Wharf Repairs, Coast Service : in Com. of Sup., 5836 (iii).
Whiskey purchased for Wolverhampton Exhibition : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 4094 (iii).
William's Head Quarantine Inspection : in Com. of Sup.,4166 (iii).
Wilton Postmaster, Dismissal, Letters from Mr. H. Walker : Inquiry for (Mr. Wilson) 4827, 4927 (iii).

 Remarks, 4723 (iii).