1904-07-29

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Hon. Sir WILLIAM MULOCK (Postmaster General) moved for leave to introduce Bill (No. 162) to consolidate and amend the Acts respecting Alien Labour.
Mr. R. L. BORDEN.: Would the hon. gentleman be good enough to explain ?


Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.: Mr. Speaker, although the Bill is entitled ' an Act to' amend, consolidate and amend the Acts respecting Alien Labour,' it will be necessary to amend that title inasmuch as it is not a consolidation. The provisions of the present Bill are as follows : ,
One section of the Bill amends section 1 of the Alien Labour Act, 1897. That original section provides that it is an offence to import alien labour under contract. It was found that this provision could be easily evaded by the contract not being made abroad, and therefore it is proposed to strengthen the clause by making it a;n offence to import under a promise or offer of employment.
Another section containing a number ot subsections provides machinery whereby employers may obtain judicial permission to import labour that cannot be procured in Canada. At present the spirit of the Act, so far as it is enforcible, is stringent, and it is represented that in many cases labour not procurable in Canada could not be lawfully imported. It is expedient that under these circumstances a measure should be adopted to meet such a situation so that there would be no inducement to persons in need of labour of a particular class to import illegally that class of labour. The machinery provided by this Bill contemplates an application to a judge for permission. That application will require to be published in the press and a hearing of the application can be conducted in the open court as in civil causes. All parties interested have a right to appear and if the judge is

of opinion that the application should be granted, he may do so, setting forth the extent to which he grants the leave and to the extent to which he grants the leave the order is an authority to the employer to import the persons authorized by the order.
Another section amends section 3 of the Act of 1897, which was further amended by the statutes of 1901. That section as it stands to-day requires the consent of a certain functionary to the bringing of an action for a violation of the provisions of the Alien Labour Act. The proposed section dispenses with any such preliminary sanction.
Under the law as it is to-day it is declared illegal to induce people to come into Canada in contravention of the Act by promise of employment by advertisements. It has been held by a judge of the Supreme Court in the province of British Columbia that an advertisement, for example, such as ' wanted,' naming a large number of men, and other inducements which might be or might not be correct, was not an offence against the law inasmuch as the advertisement could not be held to he a promise. It is proposed therefore to add to this section after the word ' employment,'
-or by representations justifying reasonable expectation of employment.
There are some other verbal changes.
Another section deals with the case of inducing people to come to Canada by false representations. This spring there was an illustration of the injury done by men inducing people to come to Canada by false representations. It appears that a very large number of Italians, going up to the thousands, reached Montreal this spring in search for employment under circumstances that amounted to a serious fraud upon these people, and a demoralization of the labour market of Montreal and perhaps of other portions of Canada. A commission was issued to inquire into the circumstances attending the bringing in of those men. The commissioner has not yet reported, but his investigation was conducted in open court, and the press reported somewhat fully the evidence given. I do not purpose at this moment to state in any detail the nature of the evidence, but I think that any one wno has perused so much of it as appeared in the press cannot but reach the conclusion that the methods adopted to induce these unfortunate people to come to Canada were criminal and cruel in the extreme. They were brought into Canada by the most grossly false representations originating in Montreal, by a scheme of fraud for the enrichment of men in Montreal to bring men here thousands of miles from their own homes, and, when they reached Montreal, to induce them to contribute money to the persons promoting this agency, in the deluded belief that they would thereby immediately secure profitable employment. The scheme seemed to be conceived and carried out in Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.
fraud. It is proposed by this section to make such false representations as to the state of the labour market a criminal offence.
Another section proposes to incorporate into law the spirit of the clauses introduced into the Crow's Nest Pass Railway Contract, requiring the work on lines constructed by a railway subsidized or aided by the government either by gift or loan of money or guarantee or other valuable consideration to be carried on in accordance with the spirit of the clauses made applicable to that contract. Hon. gentleman are familiar with the provisions of that contract. They are to the effect that, wherever possible, the labour shall be British or Canadian labour, and that in case contracts are made with companies for the work of construction, the companies shall be incorprated in Canada under Dominion or provincial legislation, the majority of the directors shall be citizens of this empire and the majority of the capital shall be owned by citizens of the empire.
Another section provides that persons infringing the Act by importing the classes of labour in question, that is in violation of the law, shall be liable for the expense of their deportation to the country from which they came, and obligations are also cast upon the ships bringing out persons of this class knowing, or having reasonable ground for believing, that they have been brought here in contravention of the law. Then some other provisions of the Bill deal with undesirable classes of people, not being brought here in connection with labour at all, and it is proposed to prohibit from landing or remaining in Canada any of the following classes :
Idiots, insane persons, paupers, or persons likely to become a public charge, professional beggars, persons afflicted with loathsome or dangerous contagious diseases, polygamists, anarchists or persons who believe in or advocate the overthrow by force or violence of all forms of law, the constituted authority of the country or the assassination of public officials, prostitutes, and persons who procure or attempt to bring in prostitutes or women for the purpose of prostitution ; persons who have been within one year deported or ordered to be deported from Canada for having entered Canada in violation of any of the provisions of the said Act of 1897 as amended, or of this Act, and of persons convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude; provided that this shall not be held to exclude from Canada persons convicted of offences purely political, not involving moral turpitude.
Another section deals with the liability of the owners of and persons interested in the vessel that aids in any violation of this Act. Another section provides for the arrest of any alien brought in in contravention of the law, and for his detention while waiting to be transferred to the vessel to be sent back to his own country. Another section gives the Minister of Labour, instead of as

at present Attorney General, the authority for ordering deportation. Another section authorizes the Governor in Council to appoint special officers for the enforcement of the law and to pass necessary regulations for its more effective working. Another section provides that in case His Majestj should be obliged to defray any expenses in the first place connected with the deportation of persons illegally brought into the country there shall be a clause of action over by the Crown against the persons primarily the cause of such prohibited labour or persons having entered Canada. There are some provisions that I have not alluded to, but they will more fully appear when the Bill is printed and placed in the hands of lion, gentlemen.	,


Mr. URIAH WILSON (Lennon).: I would ask the hon. Postmaster General (Sir William Mulock) if there is any provision in the Bill to oblige them to inspect immigrants before they are allowed to leave the port from which the ship sails, because, unless that is a part of the law, I think it would be very deficient. We saw a case of that kind when the steamer ' Lake Simcoe ' landed a number of Syrians the other day. It appeared to me that had there been an efficient inspection at Havre, France, the ship would not have taken any of them on board. The owners of the ship have had to become responsible for twenty-nine that were allowed to come over without any visible meant of support. More than thirty of them have had to be deported and there are a large number of others who are subject to treatment. That is an important provision and should be enacted in the Bill.


Hon.  W. S.@: There is much in the remark of my hon. friend (Mr. Wilson), but perhaps when he has looked at the Bill he will find that clause 14, or at all events one of the clauses near the end of the Bill, authorizes the Governor in Council to appoint special officers in order to accomplish the object of the Bill. If the object of the Bill, for instance, is to exclude from landing in Canada any undesirable classes of persons, my hon. friend's proposal would be in harmony with the clause that the Governor in Council should appoint such officers as are necessary in order to give effect to that prohibitory clause. It would strike me as a very wise thing that these proscribed classes should be intercepted at the earliest moment. If the government is of the opinion that it would be wise to have such examination made before the vessel sails I think my hon. friend will find that the measure proposes to give the government full authority to make any such arrangement.


Mr.   I@: I, of course, do not propose to discuss the Bill at this stage. May I ask whether or not the Bill 251
has been printed or is it introduced with the intention of having it printed? Has the printing been expedited in any way ?


William Mulock: It is not sufficiently printed to enable me to hand my hon. friend a copy, but it was printed in galley form and has been revised.


Robert Laird Borden: What I desire to suggest is that the printing may be expedited as much as possible. It is, we hope, a very late hour in the session and we would like to see it as soon as possible.


William Mulock: I will try to have it in galley form in the hands of my hon. friends to-morrow morning. I will send a number of copies so that other hon. gentlemen may be able to see it.


Mr. E. F. CLARKE.: Is it the intention to have the evidence which is being taken by Judge Winchester respecting employment of aliens on the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway and respecting the influx of Italian labour into the city of Montreal printed and distributed for the use of members of the House ?


William Mulock: It is intended to have it printed at the earliest possible moment, but it will not be possible to have it printed before prorogation if it takes place at an early date. As soon as the inquiry is completed I will have it printed and distributed. The inquiry has not yet been completed, but I was informed by Judge Winchester, who passed through Ottawa on his way from Montreal a few days ago, that there only remained the examination of Mr. Lumsden and perhaps the cross-examination of Sir Sandford Fleming as he has not been able yet to conclude the evidence of these two gentlemen.


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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.

Rt.   H@: Mr. Speaker, before the Orders of the Day are called it is my sad duty to have to inform the House that we have lost anbther of our colleagues in the person of Mr. Isidore Proulx. member for the electoral district of Prescott. As is well known by most members of the House Mr. Proulx had been in poor health for many months past. He had undergone last autumn an operation which he bore with great fortitude, and it was hoped that it had checked the disease, but unfortunately the vital forces were gone and he was carried away at a comparatively early period. He left us last week with the intention of coming back but we are not to see lum any more in this House. Mr. Proulx was a quiet, unobtrusive member of this House, but very much respected by all of those who came in contact with him. and I can bear testimony that he was as



faithful a friend as ever lived. I am sure that hon. members on both sides of the House will join in sympathizing with the bereaved family in the sad mourning through which they are now passing.


Robert Laird Borden: I desire to join in the expression to which the Prime Minister has given utterance with regard to Mr. Proulx. While it is true that I did not enjoy an intimate acquaintance with him, nevertheless I learned to know him sufficiently to respect and appreciate him. I am sure that ail of us on this side of the House will join in the sympathy and condolence Which the Prime Minister on this occasion has so fittingly expressed.



CANADIAN MILITARY GAZETTE.

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.: Before you proceed with government orders, there is a matter to which I wish to draw attention. I sent for the Minister of Militia


Sir WILFRID LAURIER.: If my hon. friend is going to make a personal explanation, I might state that the House will be moved into supply in a few minutes, and he will have a better opportunity then of disclosing his grievance.


Samuel Hughes: I have no personal explanation to make. It is a matter in connection with an article in the paper this morning, and I think this is the proper time to bring it up ; is it not ?


Wilfrid Laurier: I think not. It would be more opportune to do so when the House is moved into supply.


Samuel Hughes: It will not take more than a moment. In the ' Citizen ' this morning, under the heading
Attempt to Dragoon-Methods of the Martinet to Stifle Criticism-Minister of Militia Takes Revenge Upon the Canadian Military Gazette for Daring to Disapprove of His Course in Dundonald Exposures.
I find an article referring to a letter signed by L. J. Pinault, Deputy Minister of Militia and Defence, addressed to the proprietors of the * Canadian Military Gazette.' The letter is dated 28th of June, and reads :
Department of Militia and Defence,
Ottawa, June 28. 1904.
Sir,-I am directed by the Honourable the Minister of Militia and Defence to inform you that the agreement entered into with the Canadian Military Gazette, by my letter of the 29th August, 1903, will terminate on the 30th September next, from which date this department will not hold itself responsible for the publication and payment thereof of the Royal Military College advertisement and the Militia General Orders.
I have the honour to be, sir, your obedient servant,
(Signed)	L. J. PINAULT,
Colonel,
Deputy Minister of Militia and Defence.
The proprietors of the Canadian Military Gazette.


Wilfrid Laurier: The paper says :
It seems superfluous to comment on this letter. It tells the publishers of the * Gazette ' very plainly that the minister does not approve of its recent policy in the Dundonald exposures and gives it until September 30 to make amends. If it does not do so a considerable part of its revenue will be cut off.
This is the third time this payment has been withdrawn in an effort to influence the ' Gazette.' The threat will have no more influence now than on the two former occasions. The * Gazette ' will continue to pursue the policy that all honest men believe to be in the best interests of the country-for the militia and country are one.
In an editorial comment the ' Citizen ' very properly points out:
The idea that men who volunteer their services to the country in most instances for nothing or at a sacrifice of both time and money, should also be expected to surrender their liberty as citizens not only when on duty but when in civilian life is too ridiculous for consideration, unless the object is to ruin the militia force of this country entirely. The members of the militia make enough sacrifices as it is out of patriotism to keep up a force that should be kept up by the country in such a manner as to at least make the sacrifice part of it unnecessary.
Then follows an illustration of the power of the minister, or of a general, or of any officer to control any officer or man under him, when he is not on duty or in uniform, and it illustrates the case of Sir Mackenzie Bowel! when years ago he was major in the militia, and when the general officer commanding sought to influence him and dragoon him for certain expressions to which he had given utterance. In view of the great importance of this question to civil liberty, and in view of the erroneous impression that the officers of the force all over the country have, I think it is proper that some attention should be paid to the matter.


Wilfrid Laurier: I am sorry the hon. gentleman did not take my suggestion. He is out of order altogether, and the only way he can put himself in order is to move the adjournment of the House.


Samuel Hughes: Well, I can move the adjournment of the House. Section 72 of the proposed Militia Act reads :
72. The Army Act for the time being in force in the United Kingdom, the King's Regulations, and all other laws applicable to His Majesty's troops in Canada and not inconsistent with this Act or the regulations made thereunder, shall have force and effect as if they had been enacted by the parliament of Canada for the government of the militia, and every officer this Act or the regulations made thereunder, to from the time of being called out for active service, and also during the period of annual drill or training under the provisions of this Act, and also at any other time while upon military duty or in the uniform of his corps upon or within any rifle range or any armoury, or other place where arms, guns, ammunition or other military stores are kept, or any drill

shed or other building or place used for militia purposes, or during any drill or parade of his corps at which he is present in the ranks, when going to or from the place of drill or parade, and also whether in uniform or not at any drill or parade of his corps at which he is present as a spectator.
Subsection 2 :
2. Officers and men of the permanent force and members of the permanent staff of the militia shall at all times be subject to military law.
It is clear this last section applies only to the permanent force, which, of course, is subject to the military law throughout the year, but the militia force is not subject to military law except they are on duty or in the uniform of their corps. In order to encourage the officers and men of the permanent force to be free men, and to take an interest in military matters and let the public have the benefit of their views from time to time, I have given the minister notice that I intend to move the following amendment to section 79 of the Militia Bill :
Nothing in this Act shall at any time prevent any officer or man of the militia, except when on parade or on duty, from temperately expressing his views on questions affecting the welfare of the militia force and communicating suggestions, criticisms and statements thereon to the public of Canada.


Mr. SPEAKER.: If the hon. gentleman is going to discuss the Militia Bill, that is clearly out of order.


Samuel Hughes: I am discussing civil liberty.


Some hon. MEMBERS: Humbug.


Samuel Hughes: I find in the Toronto ' News ' of yesterday interviews from three prominent military men, which show that the military officers of the country do not understand that the men under them are absolutely free. I regret that a couple of these officers think they have power over their men when not on duty. For example, suppose a private in Col. Pellatt's regiment should assault him on the public street when not on duty or not in uniform, according to the generally expressed notion the colonel would have control of that soldier under the military law. That is not so. All the redress he could possibly have against him would be under the common law, under which he could be fined. I ask any one of these gentlemen, from the minister down, to point out where directly or indirectly the King's regulations or the Army Act authorizes the bringing of that man under the military law. We want to resist these attempts at dragooning ; we want to resist these attempts at establishing militarism in Canada. We have seen instances of Straffords, Lauds and Jeffreys and Robes-pierres, and democrats up to the hilt, becoming aristocrats, but there is only one way to preserve civil and religious liberty, 2511
and that is to check militarism and tyranny whether it is found in the Prime Minister or in his subordinate the Minister of Militia.
We want no dragooning in this country ; we want no muzzling of the public press or of private individuals in the Dominion of Canada. I move the adjournment of the House.


Hon.  W. S.@: As to the letter which has been read, which appears to have been sent by the deputy minister of my department to the printing or publishing office, I can only say that I never saw the letter. I presume it is a business letter written to give notice at the beginning of the financial year, so that if it is thought desirable to terminate the contract, for which it is necessary to give three months' notice, that contract can be terminated. As to the military law, I cannot understand the hon. gentleman bringing the matter up now, seeing that, as he says himself, he has given notice that when the Bill comes up for ' third reading he is going to propose an amendment. I shall be prepared, when that time arrives, to discuss it. I cannot understand why he attempts to precipitate a discussion upon it at this moment.


Mr. J. J. HUGHES.: Mr. Speaker, I think it would be well if some of our militia colonels went on a pilgrimage with the Doukho-bors, or engaged in a struggle with the spirit wrestlers, and gave the sane people of this country a little time to attend to the ordinary affairs of life.


Mr. SPROULE.: I want to draw attention to the exact wording of the letter : ' I am directed by the Minister of Militia and Defence to inform you.'


An hon. MEMBER.: What is the date ot the letter ?


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The date is June 28, 1904. Surely these words are specific enough.


Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.: Every letter sent out from my department is couched in similar phraseology. I am responsible, of course.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Might I ask the minister at what period the fiscal year ends-the 30th of September or when ?


Frederick William Borden: The 30th of June.


Edward Frederick Clarke: The advertisement, I understand, runs to the 30th of September.


Frederick William Borden: Three months' notice is required to have a contract for any advertisement terminated.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Can the minister recollect if similar notices were sent to other journals publishing this notice of the military school?


Frederick William Borden: There is no other journal publishing that advertisement.

In all other journals the advertisement is inserted for one issue in the year only.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Has it been the practice to send a letter like this to this journal at the close of each previous fiscal year ?


Frederick William Borden: I am not aware, hut I think so. I cannot speak positively.
Motion (Mr. Sam. Hughes) to adjourn, negatived.



SUPPLY-TRANSPORTATION OF PERISHABLE PRODUCTS.

['Since my hon. friend (Mr. Galliher) agrees, I move that the debate be now adjourned.']
Hon.  W. S.@: FIELDING (Minister of Finance) moved that the House go into Committee of Supply.


Mr. E. D. SMITH.: Mr. Speaker, before you leave the Chair I have a resolution to propose, and I wish to make a few remarks with regard to it. The resolution, I may say at the outset, is one censuring the government for not taking that care with regard to the transportation of perishable products from the point of origin to the markets of the world that I think they ought to have taken, and that the opportunities which have presented themselves from time to time enabled them to do. The perishable products of the country are among the most valuable of our exports, not only in the aggregate, but intrinsically. Our total exports of agricultural products for the year ending the 30th of June, 1903, amounted to $114,441,863, of which nearly one-half, or $52,880,153 were perishable products, which require special care in their transportation to the markets of the world to enable the pioducers to get full value for them, therefore seems to me particularly incumbent upon the government of the day to look carefully after this matter. These products are the most valuable of our exports. On account of the skill required to Produce them, they generally yield more profit than those articles in which there is a great deal of competition. Consequently the production of these perishable articles ought to be encouraged in this country. The chief item among these exports is cheese, of which we export close upon $25,000,000. Another is bacon and hams, of which we export close upon $16,000,000. These two articles require not cold storage, but simply a thoroughly ventilated storage for their transportation, not only on land in the cars, but in ships on the sea. They simply require the temperature of the outside air, which can be obtained by thorough ventilation. The next item on the list is butter, of which we exported in the year ending the 30th of .Tune, 1903, close on $7,000,000. This requires cold storage at a certain temperature over which the government should have control. The next item is fruit, of which we exported in the same vear $3,751,000. Some of it requires cold storage, but the greater portion Sir F. W. BORDEN.
requires only ventilated storage on shipboard ; and this can be got without any extra cost of freight and without any appreciable extra expense to the steamship owners.. It only requires the government to exercise that supervision and control that will enable the shipper to know positively that his products will have the temperature of the ocean air in crossing the ocean, in which case they will be landed in the old country markets in a sound condition to receive the highest prevailing prices. Any loss from lack of proper transportation facilities ultimately comes out of the pockets of the producer. To the extent to which the service is imperfect, to that extent the value of the product is depreciated. The depreciation from this cause in the value of the products shipped from Montreal amounts to many hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It may be said that our cold storage facilities are better than they once were. That is very true. We are certainly progressing. It would be strange if a government, in an enterprising country like Canada, were not able to imm'ove our facilities from year to year. It would indeed be strange if the transportation companies themselves did not greatly improve their facilities without any suggestion from the government at all. Formally years before we initiated cold storage we had the example of other British colonies which transported their perishable products across the tropics from the farthest corners of the world safely in cold storage, while we, who live only two weeks* journey from the British market, even yet. with all that experience of twenty years behind us, aie unable to ship these perishable products in a cold storage that is anything near perfection.
Last year the government had thermograph records taken of 155 cold storage chambers carrving these perishable products. In his report of 1902. the lion. Minister of Agriculture said that butter should be carried at a temperature of 20 degrees, and he stated afterwards that to bring about the best results you should have the chamber at 10 degrees.' But in these 155 records taken last year there is not one chamber that carried butter at a temperature of 10 degrees, and there are only 40 that touched a temperature of 20 degrees, and that was not the average across the ocean. Only 40 out of the 155 touched 20 degrees, and there was a very large number that carried the goods even above the freezing point. I would just enumerate a few of those. The Iona, of the Thompson line, which sailed July -o, 3903, carried butter, and the butter was put in at a temperature less than 40 degrees. The Minister of Agriculture seems to be always hunting for some excuse to explain why the steamers do not carry goods at the proper temperature, and he sometimes has for excuse the plea that the butter is put in hot. But in only two of these records does it appear that the butter was put in hot. In

this case the butter was put in at a temperature below 40, or 10 degrees lower than the temperature of the car in transit usually. Yet it never ran a point lower than 32, and that only when it arrives on the other side. On the ' Monteagle,' which sailed May 29, 1903, butter went in at a temperature of 40 degrees and never reached a point lower than 34, and that only on its arrival on the other side. On the ' Montford,' which sailed August 22nd, the butter was put in at a temperature a little higher, 45 degrees, and the temperature rapidly went down to 40, showing that the butter was not hot, but it never reached a temperature lower than 32 degrees at any point, and when it reached the other side it was 33 degrees. On the ' Montcalm ' the butter was put in at Montreal at 36 degrees, an exceedingly low temperature for butter to.be put in the chamber, but it never got lower than 34, and several days of the journey it was 156 or 37, or warmer than when put in. On the ' Montford,' which sailed September 27th, butter was put in at 38 degrees and never got lower than 36 at any time during the journey and a large portion of it was at 39. ' On the ' Corinthian,' which sailed October 8th, the butter was put in at 38, a very low temperature for butter to come out of the car, and never reached a point lower than 32, and that only after the expiration of ten days. On the 'Hungarian' the butter was put'in at tiie low temperature of 34 and never got below 31, and that in the early portion of the voyage. It gradually rose and came out at the other side at a temperature of 34.


Mr. WM. ROCHE (Halifax).: Does the hon. gentleman mean that by the time of arrival, the time of arrival in the ship or at the shop where the butter is sold ?


Ernest D'Israeli Smith: 
Edward Frederick Clarke: What was the month ?


Ernest D'Israeli Smith: That steamer sailed August 22nd. On the ' Iona,' which sailed 5th of September from Montreal, the butter went in at a temperature of 66, but never got to a point at any time during the journey lower than 44. In other words, it took the whole of the journey across the ocean in cold storage chambers to bring the temperature down to 44, whereas a good cold'storage chamber would bring down the temperature in forty-eight or, at most, 72 hours, no matter how hot were the goods when put in, to a temperature as low as required. Then on the steamer ' Ionian,' which sailed from Montreal June 20th, the butter went in at 40 and never got below 38 during the whole journey. On the ' Kensington,' which sailed the 20th of June, the butter went in at 45, and only at the time of its arrival on the other side reached 30, or an average of about 36. On the ' Tunisian ' the butter went in at: 37 and never got bellow 35 dur ing the whole journey. On the ' Pretorian,' sailing July 11, the butter went in at 40 and never got below 35. On the ' Bavarian ' the butter went in at 34 and rose gradually to 35, and came out on the other side at 36. In other words, it was in better condition when it went on board than at any time during the journey, in so far as temperature was concerned. On the ' Pretorian,' which sailed 15th of August, the butter went in at 60, and the lowest point reached during the journey was 37. The temperature fluctuated from time to time 4 or 5 degrees every day, showing that the storage apparatus was not in proper order.
Then, the ' Canada,' sailing on 22nd August ; the butter went in at 54, and the lowest point touched during the voyage was 37, coming out, apparently, at the other side at 70. Whether that is a mistake or not, I do not know. I cannot imagine that such a thing would occur except by an accident. The butter in that case must have been very badly damaged. The lowest point reached was 37, or twenty-seven degrees higher than the minister himself and the experts say should be constantly maintained. The ' Pretorian,' sailing on September 19th, took in the butter at 55 ; lowest point reached 38, coming out on the other side at 40. The ' Lakonia,' sailing September 3rd : the butter went in at 50, and at no time in the voyage did the temperature go lower than 43. That

butter must have been almost ruined. It might as well have gone across in the ordinary storage, thus saving fifteen shillings a ton. Going in the ordinary ventilated storage it would have received just about as good treatment, so far as temperature is concerned, as in these cold storage chambers. In another chamber of the ' Lakonia ' the butter went in at 40, the lowest point reached was 37i, coming out on the other side at 38. The * Marina '; butter went in at 50, and the lowest point reached was 36, then rose to 40 and remained at about 40, coming out at that temperature at the other side. In another chamber of the ' Lakonia,' the butter went in at 50, reached 32 at the other side, the average temperature for the voyage being about 40. On the ' Kastalia,' the butter went in at 42, but rose immediately to 46, The temperature gradually went down and reached 34, or 24 degrees higher for the lowest point of the journey than the temperature which ought to be maintained according to the minister himself. On the ' Montcalm ' the butter went in at 44 and reached the other side at 32.
Now, I have taken up the time of the House in reading a large number of records in order to show that, out of 155 records taken there were something like 35 or 40 where the temperature never reached a point lower than the feezing, whereas, according to the minister himself a temperature of not more than 20 is necessary, and he and the experts now unite in saying that for good results the butter should toe carried at not higher than 10. I am sure everybody must agree with me that this is not a satisfactory condition of affairs. After an experience of carrying butter in cold storage by the different British colonies of twenty years and after an experience of this government of about nine years we still find that we are unable to carry a single shipment at the temperature which the experts tell us is required. Only about forty shipments ever reach that temperature during the whole journey, while about one-quarter of all the shipments were carried at a temperature above freezing point and many of them reached such a temperature that the butter must have been ruined in the voyage.
Now, who is to blame ? I contend that the government are entirely to blame. Ibis parliament voted willingly the large sum of money it thought necessary in order to secure this cold storage service Something like $150,000 was spent by this parliament in order to secure a good cold storage system. Half of the expense of putting in the cold storage chambers has been borne by the country. As against this. I wish to point out, the ships going to the ports of the United States pay for their own cold storage chambers ; the government of the United States does not go Mr. E. D. SMITH.
down into the pockets of the people to provide this outfit for the steamships. We have taken the people's money to pay for these improvements, in the hope that we would get a good service, and not only that, but in the hope of being able to control it. And, not only have we not got the service but we have absolutely no control. Not only have we spent the people's money to pay half the expense of providing this accommodation on the steamships, but we have given some of these lines at least enormous subsidies. The subsidy to the Allan Line was ostensibly to carry the mails; in reality it was to induce them to come to the ports of Montreal, Halifax and St. John regularly. Incidentally, in the last contract with the Allans, it was mentioned that they must provide cold storage chambers, We pay them a subsidy, besides paying half the expense of the cold storage chambers, and yet we have not an atom of control. They may carry the goods at any temperature they like. No government officer can step aboard and say :	You must carry these
goods at such and such a temperature. When the officers of the government go aboard these vessels they must go by the grace and favour of the company, and not by authority of this parliament or by any authority delegated to the ofiieers by this parliament.
Now, what ought the government to have done ? There are many courses they might have pursued. The simplest and most obvious thing for the government to have done, was in agreeing to pay half the cost of these cold storage facilities, to make it a condition that they should have control, that they should have power to dictate to the steamship companies at what temperature the goods should be carried. That was not done, and yet this is the most natural thing any ordinary business man would have done in his private business in a similar case. The Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Fisher) himself admits that he has no control. He has neglected every opportunity to put himself in a controlling position. But he and the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir Richard Cartwright) have had many opportunities since. First of all in making these contracts with the Allan Line and other lines to carry these goods across the ocean, they might have provided in the contract, when the large subsidy of $260,000 was given to the Allans and other large subsidies to other lines, that the government should retain control of the temperature and provide that the payment of the subsidy' should be conditional upon the steamship carrying the goods at the temperature the government desired. But, nothing of the kind was done, or, apparently even thought of.	The Minister of Agriculture blandly tells us that he has absolutely no control. But why did he not go to the Minister of Trade and

Commerce, when the contract was being made with the Allans, and say :	We
find ourselves in this position, that we have no control over the temperatures of these vessels and now is our opportunity. We must have control of the temperature. In the contract it is specified that the vessels should have cold storage facilities subject to the approval of the government. What does that mean ? It means only that they must put in a refrigerator plant sufficient to produce the degree of cold required. It is as though the city of Ottawa or any other town making a lighting contract with an electric company, were to provide that there should be a power-house of a certain capacity, so many poles, so many lamps placed in certain positions, and so on-but no provision whatever as to the amount of light to be given. That is exactly our position in this case. We make it a condition that cold storage facilities shall be provided, that the chambers shall be built, the refrigerating plant put in and all that, but not a word as to the maintenance of a certain temperature during the voyage.


An hon. MEMBER,: And no power to inspect.	,


Mr.  E. D.@: SMITH No power to inspect, and absolutely no control over the temperature, which is the one essential thing. But, even failing this the government had still another recourse. We have on our statute-books a law providing that no steamship shall sail from our ports carrying cattle until the government inspector has been aboard to see that proper provision is made for carrying the cattle-that certain space is allowed to each beast, that there is a certain width of alley-way, certain provisions for feeding, and so on. Why could not the government have a similar statute passed with regard to the cold storage and ventilated storage on vessels sailing from our ports and thus provide in a practical way for the carrying of these products of this vast industry representing not less than $52,000,000 a year ? But they neglected this third opportunity as they neglected every other. So, I am sure that anybody who studies the question will agree with me that the government are to blame that the shippers of this country have not proper cold storage facilities.
Now, the main portion of these perishable products, cheese, apples and meats, are carried in the ordinary stowage, not in cold storage. This is the most important matter of all. It is very important that we should have the six or seven millions worth of butter which we export, carried in cold storage and some of the fruit ; but we still have thirty-five millions worth of goods ter which we export, carried in cold storage, simply the pure air of the ocean which costs practically nothing. It has been
pointed out time and time again that all that was necessary was to provide that exhaust fans should be put on the steamers, which could be done at a trifling cost, and the ocean air sent through the holds of these vessels. If that were done all these exports could be landed on the other side in perfect condition and we could get full value instead of having a depreciation of millions of dollars every year on our apple crop. Prof. Robertson said before a committee of this House, that we would lose three millions dollars on the cheese export, which was verified the next year. All this enormous loss takes place simply because the ocean vessels and the cars in which the goods are taken from the point of origin to the sea-board are not ventilated. It has been pointed out that this can be done easily and cheaply, but all that the minister has ever done has been to send circular letters to the steamship companies, asking them to do it, asking them, out of the goodness of their hearts, to provide this facility. He has taken no power to control them that would enable the government to compel the companies to install this ventilation which would enable these products to be carried in good condition. He took no power to do this, but in his wisdom he thought he would provide something better, so he came to this House and asked for large sums of money to provide for what he calls a cool air service. This parliament voted willingly something over $100,000 to provide a cool air service, which is a sort of hybrid between cold storage and ventilated storage. What is the result ? Last year of a total export of 229,000,000 pounds of cheese, 3,000,000 pounds were carried in the cool air and 22G,000,000 pounds in ordinary stowage. Out of 2,000,000 barrels of apples, only 8,000 barrels were carried in the refrigerated air. Why ? Not because it is not a good thing, for the cool air is all right and it would be a good thing to carry these products all in cool air storage or better still in cold storage, but there is a charge of ten shillings a ton on butter and cheese and Is. 6d. a barrel on every barrel of apples placed in the cool air, although the minister stated that there .(Would be no extra charge for the cool air carriage. See ' Hansard ', page 5168-1901. Shippers have found that by the courtesy of the steamship companies, a large number of vessels have been fitted with a more or less thorough system of ventilation and on these steamers the goods are generally carried all right. It is also true that many vessels are not properly fitted, but yet shippers: take their chance because they would rather trust to the ventilated or unventilated steamers than pay the extra charge for this cool air. in the session of 1902 he stated that these ventilated chambers would be provided and that the cool air would be provided without any extra cost, and yet we find this charge

of Is. 6d. per barrel on apples and 10 shillings a ton on butter and cheese. It would undoubtedly be a great convenience to the shippers of this country if they could receive the benefit of this cool air for the carrying of their products with no increase of cost, but when they have to pay extra cost for it, they find it better to ship in the ordinary stowage. Let us see what the minister has done with regard to ventilated stowage. Time and time again the fact has been brought to his attention, that if these vessels were properly ventilated the goods would be carried over in proper condition. He himself, has admitted that the officers of the government on the other side on examining the apples as they came out of the vessels that were ventilated, found them in very much better condition than those on unventilated vessels. ' Hansard,' page 70, 1901. He admits that it is of very great value to the shippers of this country and yet he has taken	no effective
steps to ensure its being brought about. During the past three sessions it has been repeatedly pointed out to the minister that goods could be carried in perfect condition and at no extra cost to the shipper, and the minister has said that he was aware of the great benefit that would be derived from having holds ventilated, yet he has taken no steps in the meantime to provide for it. He said that he would put thermographs in each of the chambers in which these perishable products were carried, and in this way he could ascertain the temperature of each chamber on the ai rival of the steamer on the other side, then if there was a thermograph on deck which would record the termperature of the ocean air, by comparing the records on the other side he would know whether the exhaust fans on the steamer had been in operation or not. He promised last session that a thermograph would be put in each chamber carrying perishable products from this country. At page 7623 of ' Hansard ' he said:


The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE.: I ordered a large number of extra thermographs and have given most positive and reiterated instructions to the officers in charge that no chamber shall be allowed to go without a thermograph in it. If it is there it will show the temperature, and we shall be able to know whether the fans are used or not. My instructions are plain and positive and I believe they will be carried out.
He made the statement plainly and explicitly and we believed that this would be done. What were the facts ? I presume that several hundred trips were made from Montreal last season and on each of these steamers there were several chambers. To make a rough guess there were probably COO or more chambers carrying perishable products out of Montreal last year in ordinary storage as distinct from ' cold storage,' in ' cool air storage ' and the minister promised he would put a themograph Mr. E. D. SMITH.
in each one to ascertain the temperature. There are his words, plain and explicit. Now, how many were taken ? Just twelve records of these temperatures were taken. These twelve records only prove what the temperatures were in these chambers. They do not prove whether the system in operation on these steamers, or supposed to be in operation, was in order or not. This could only be done by having a thermograph also placed where the actual temperature of the ocean air would be registered, which the minister steadfastly refuses to do. A comparison between the thermograph record of temperature in the chamber and on deck would prove this absolutely. Every one of these steamers ought to have an exhaust fan for each chamber. All shippers and all experts agree that the only practicable way in which you can get ocean air through the holds of these vessels is by an exhaust fan or forced draft. I find on looking over the records that there was only a limited number of steamers that were provided with exhaust fans, that there was a great number that had no ventilation whatever and that many of them only had the trunk ventilation. That is simply an opening that will allow steam to get out but which is of no use whatever for the purpose of ventilation. Others had what is known as the cowl ventilation. That system is very good if the wind is not blowing in the same direction as that in which the steamer is going, because then the air is carried down to the bottom of the cargo, passes up through it and out, but if the wind is blowing in the same direction as the steamer is going the cowl system is no good at all. The cowl system, however, is a great deal better than having no ventilation at all provided the air is driven to the bottom of the cargo and there is an opening at the top of the chamber that will enable the air 'to get out. It is forced out by the impact of the air against the cowl ventilator. The air is taken to the bottom of the cargo, it is then forced up and comes out at the top of the chamber. A considerable number of vessels are fitted with these cowl ventilators, but all should be fitted with exhaust fans. If the vessels that were fitted with these fans had them in operation all the time and if they had them in every chamber, that would be what we want, but I am awarb that a great many of the chambers are not fitted with these fans at all. The report simply states that there are exhaust fans on certain steamers, but I find on. some of these steamers that whereas there is an exhaust fan in one chamber there is no ventilation in another chamber, so that we do not know what the system of ventilation is upon any steamer. As a matter of fact there are a number of these steamers that have not even the cowl system of ventilation.	For instance, the ' Lake Champlain ' has only intakes, the ' Ontarian ' has only fans in one

compartment apparently, the ' Kensington ' has only what are called ventilators, the ' Pretorian ' has the same, the ' Canada ' has the same and there are a number of other steamers such as the ' Southwark,'
' Montcalm,' which have only ventilators apparently-which means that there Is no efficient ventilation at all-simply a hole in the roof which is practically no use whatever. while a number of steamers such as the 1 Ionian,' ' Parisian,' ' Tunisian,' ' Peruvian,' ' Bavarian,' ' Lake Erie,' ' Dominion ' and ' Mount Temple ' are only very imperfectly ventilated with cowl ventilators.
This is the condition of affairs to-day in regard to the ventilation of these steamers. Notwithstanding that it is an important matter in view of the fact that we have $45,000,000 worth of products to be carried in these steamers there is no control whatever of the ventilation in the holds. The government are entirely responsible for this condition of affairs. It has been pointed out time and time again but still nothing has been done. The right hon. minister has admitted that the ventilation of the holds of vessels carrying perishable cargo is of enormous benefit, but instead of taking advantage of the opportunities, instead of seeing that remedies are provided, the government have done nothing effective in regard to it. This is something that would cost the government nothing. If the right hon. minister finds that there is something to be done which requires a large expenditure of money he has no hesitation in coming before the House and asking for it because he knows that the House will vote it willingly if it is in the interest of the country. But, he does not appear to be willing to come before the House and propose any measure unless there is a large money vote connected with it. Here is an opportunity. He does not even need to come before the House for anything unless it would be to ask the House to pass a Bill something similar to the cattle inspection Bill so as to give him control of the temperature on these vessels. In making these contracts such as were made with the Allans, the Manchester liners, the direct steamship line to France and the steamship line to Mexico, the minister had an opportunity to provide that there should be absolute control of the ventilation in these vessels. But advantage was not taken of that opportunity. I know it was not taken of the opportunity in the case of the Allans. I have not had an opportunity to examine the contracts made with the line of steamers going 'to France or Mexico but if I am wrong in my statement in that regard the right hon. Minister of Trade and. Commerce will be able to correct me. If a clause were inserted in these contracts providing that 'the government shall have control of the ventilation in the ship and that the ship shall be ventilated by forced draft ventilation or exhaust fans, the remedy will be found. Here is what
the hon. Minister of Agriculture said in regard to the benefits of ventilation in J901, as reported in 'Hansard,' at page 5166, 1901 :
During the last year or two our cheese has suffered in reputation in consequence of heating in the holds of the vessels, and it is well known that our fruits have been cooked a good deal in the tightly battened down holds.
The hon. Minister of Agriculture said that when he was coming before the House and asking for a large sum of money to put cool air plants into vessels which were not absolutely necessary. At the time that vote was asked for it was pointed out to the hon. minister that it might be very good, but that in all probability there would be an extra charge for it, and although the hon. minister said that there would be no extra charge wie find that they are charging ten shillings a ton on butter and cheese, and one shilling six pence per barrel on apples.
I want to show by a few of the thermograph records that the temperature in the holds of these vessels where there are supposed to be fans is not what it ought to be. These twelve returns brought down, although there is no opportunity of comparing them with the records of a thermograph placed on deck giving the proper temperature of the ocean air, show that even though there are fans on the vessels they are not operated as they are supposed to be and that there is really no ventilation. On the 22nd of August the ' Canada ' sailed out of the port of Montreal. The temperature commenced at 60 degrees, it goes down to 55, for a large portion of the journey it remains at 55, and on the other side it goes up to 67, at no time reaching higher than 67. There is ample evidence that this steamer was ventilated at any rate during a large portion of the voyage. The temperature recorded is about the temperature of the ocean air. It is also about the temperature of the cool air chambers provided by the government at an expense of $100,000. For instance, take the ' Cervona ' fitted with cool air chambers for the use of which a large additional charge is made. The goods went in at a temperature of 68 degrees and at no time did the temperature reach a lower point than; 54 degrees. Thajt is almost identical with the temperature in ordinary ventilated stowage, where the exhaust fans are in operation,, or where by some system the cool air of the ocean is introduced and forced through the cargo. For a large portion of the journey the temperature was 55 degrees in ordinary ventilated storage, just one degree higher than in the ' cool air ' chambers. This simply bears out what I have contended time and again, and it is that the temperature of the ocean, if we can get it through the cargo, is practically all we need for such products as cheese and win-



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ter apples. Or we might cite the ' Kildona,' June 7th, from Montreal, cheese and meat in [DOT] cool hir temperature 55J to 58 throughout the voyage-almost exactly the average temperature of the ocean air, which we should and can secure without paying 10 shillings a ton extra for it. On the 22nd of August there sailed out of Montreal another steamer, the ' Bavarian,' and the temperature, as recorded by the thermograph during the voyage, ranged around (SO degrees. During a large portion of the time it was 65 and sometimes as high as 67 degrees. It went down occasionally and intermittently to 55 degrees and 50 degrees, but it immediately rose again, an average difference in temperature of from 5 to 10 per cent between this boat and the ' Canada ' sailing the same day. Then take the ' Mount Temple ' which sailed on the 7th of August; we find that the temperature was at no point lower than 63 degres, ranging most of the time around 65 degrees and 70 degrees and coming out on the other side at 72 degrees.
The next day another boat, the ' Parisian,' sailed the temperature on which at no time was above 65 and ranged from 62 to 65 on all the voyage across. On the 8th of August another boat, the ' Devona,' sailed, and for a portion of the journey the temperature was as low as 48, and at no time did it reach above 60. Here we have three steamers crossing the ocean at the same time, and the thermograph records show a very wide difference in the temperature, the only possible way to account for which Is that at least two of them were not properly ventilated. Again, the ' Livonian ' 'sailed on the 5th of June, and on the journey the temperature was as low as 45. At no time did it reach above 60, and that was as she was going down the St. Lawrence. On the same day the 1 Tritonia ' sailed, and her temperature .was 60 at the time of sailing, but it rose to 68 and 69 and when it got across the other side it had reached 74, being 15 degrees higher on an average than the other boat,which shows that one was ventilated and the other was not. I could quote you numerous other examples of the same kind. Last year the Minister of Agriculture promised that he would provide thermographs in every chamber carrying perishable cargo from Montreal, but if he had done so that would not be sufficient unless there was also a thermograph on the deck. Why has the Minister of Agriculture neglected to have these steamers properly ventilated, when through his neglect the producers of this country lose an enormous sum of money annually by not having their goods landed on the other side in perfect condition. The government have been entirely negligent in this matter, and it is a shame that the people of this country should go on year after year suffering in this way when the government have it in their power so very easily to control the situation. We
Ernest D'Israeli Smith: have time and again pointed out that something should be done, but for the last seven or eight years the government have been neglectful, and the people have been suffering all that time. Then, as to the question of ocean freight rates. Why should we not be able to get as good a rate on our goods out of Montreal, as if they were shipped from Boston or New York ? Why should the farmers of Canada be compelled to pay last year 8800.000 extra freight on their produce, because they sent it from Montreal rather than from Boston or New York ? It is true that just now the rate for cheese out of Montreal is just as cheap as out of New York, but even now when freight is so scarce, the rate of butter out of Montreal is 43 cents per 100 pounds, while out of New York it is 33 75 cents per 100 pounds, which on our exports of butter last year would have amounted to a loss of $31,450. It is the same thing with regard to apples. The rate out of New York for Liverpool to-day is 50 40 cents per barrel and out of Montreal 60 cents, a difference of 9 4-10 cents per barrel in favour of New York on our shipment of apples. It is always the cash that in the fall when they ought to carry the goods cheaper because there are large cargoes offering, up goes the freight rates to the farmers of Canada, and they are taxed away and above what they would have to pay if they would ship from Boston or New York. In making this contract with the Allans and the other steamship lines the other day, the government had an opportunity to control these freight rates to a very great extent, but they neglected to do so. They might have specified, as in the case of railway rates, that the steamship rates should not be above a certain maximum, and in this way tlie producers of this country could be protected, but the government neglected to do that and the steamship companies can tax the farmers of Canada just as they please. Then again, our railway cars are badly ventilated or not ventilated at all. Perishable products are gathered in box cars throughout the country, in which the temperature is ten or fifteen degrees higher than it is on a warm day in the shade, and with proper ventilation the temperature in the car could be easily made the same as the temperature in the shade. The Minister of Agriculture paid $62 apiece for certain cars on the Grand Trunk to experiment on, but since that time nothing has been done, and an official of the Grand Trunk came before the Railway Commission at Toronto the other day and stated that the system was insufficient and did not seem to produce any good results, and he did not know that it was to be continued. The matter is now before the Railway Commission, and whether they take action or not remains to be seen. IT we had the cars properly ventilated, and the ships properly ventilated, we would be able to lay down in the old country, the most valuable of the products of Canada, in a
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perfect condition and get for them their full value which we are entitled to. It is a shame that this enterprising country should have delayed for so long to recognize the value of the St. Lawrence route ; a route which properly utilized and safeguarded would enable us to get the trade not only of the Canadian Northwest but of the American Northwest. Owing to the facility of transporation over our waterways, goods from the west can be laid down in Montreal at a cheaper rate than in New York or Boston. Our wheat is laid down in Montreal at one and a half cents a bushel less than in New York, and other goods from the lake ports are laid down at a proportionately favourable rate, but in the transit of our goods across the Atlantic we lose all that advantage. That may be to some extent due to the fact that up to the present time steamers have not been able to navigate the channel day and night, and that there are other defects in the navigation of the St. Lawrence : lack of sufficient aids to navigation, a bad pilotage system, Montreal harbour dues, old-fashioned and expensive methods of loading and unloading vessels, &c. The Minister of Marine stated the other day that for a large portion of the journey steamers could now navigate the St. Lawrence day and night, but I make bold to say that they cannot do so along the entire route.
Steps should be taken to insure to the people of this country as low rates from the port of Montreal as can be obtained from the ports of Boston, Portland and New York ; and when that is done, we shall be able, from the natural advantages of our position, to capture all that trade. This parliament has never refused any vote that is asked for, to improve those routes. This government should at the earliest possible moment take steps to insure greater return cargoes for our ships by adopting a fiscal policy which will result in our purchasing in England a very much larger share of the things we import than we do at the present time, by differentiating to a much greater extent than we do to-day the duties on imports from the United States and those on imports from the mother country. Why should we not adopt a fiscal policy which will turn the enormous imports which we to-day receive from the United States, a large portion of which could be produced in this country, and another large portion of which we could purchase in England, giving our steamships larger cargoes, and thus enabling them to carry our outgoing products at much lower rates than they do at the present time ?
Now, Mr. Speaker, as it is the desire of some members to get away to-day, I do not propose to talk longer on this subject, though much more might be said. I think I l*ave shown that the present condition of affairs is not a natural, but an unnatural
condition ; and if only a reasonable amount of intelligence and energy, or only a small portion of the business ability which this government have boasted so much about, had been applied to this problem, it might have been solved long ago. Every loss resulting from depreciation in the value of goods by the lack of proper transportation facilities comes out of the pockets of the producers, the farmers of this country. I say that if a proper degree of business ability had been displayed by this government, this state of affairs would not exist at this late date in this country, where the people are intelligent and enterprising. I move :
That all the words after the word ' that ' in the proposed motion be left out, and the following substituted therefor :
That according to the report of the Minister of Trade and Commerce, the export_of agricultural products from Canada, for the year ending 30th of June, 1903, was $114,441,863 ; of this $52,880,153, were perishable products, the value of which can be and is depreciated^ in value by inferior transportation facilities, which depreciation ultimately comes out of the pockets of the farmers of this country.
The government has signally failed to take advantage of the opportunities that they have had during the past seven years to secure for the farmers of Canada a safe and speedy transport 'for the perishable products of the farm and at competitive low rates of freight, thus causing a direct loss of many millions of dollars to them.


Rt.   H@: Mr. Speaker, I should like very much for my part to know whether the hon. gentleman who ha's just sat down speaks for himself or speaks for the whole opposition in expressing a desire for a much larger reduction in the rates of duty levied on British goods. I have not observed any overwhelming desire of that kind on the part of any of his friends ; but if he is authorized, in moving this motion, to speak on behalf of the opposition, for my part I welcome it as a sign of grace, and I hope we shall find them ready to support him in the desire he expresses.


Ernest D'Israeli Smith: I am sure that nothing I said would indicate that. I said there should be a larger differentiation in the rates of duty. I did not say there should be a lower rate on goods coming from England.


Sir RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.: I do not see how you are going to get any great increase of British imports unless you reduce the duties on British goods.


Mr. COCHRANE.: Put higher duties against the United States.


Richard John Cartwright: Higher duties against the United States will not (bring more British goods here. They might exclude a certain kind of American goods.

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but they would not bring more British goods, and the return cargoes to which the hon. gentleman attaches so much value are not likely to be increased by any such measure. With reference to the motion itself, almost the whole of my hon. friend's remarks were directed to the Department of Agriculture. Of course, he is perfectly aware that the Minister of Agriculture is not in the city at this moment, and he and his colleagues had ample opportunity during the four months and a half that we have been sitting here to have brought this matter up when that hon. gentleman was in his place. A good many of the points my hon. friend has mentioned I cannot pretend to deal with, with the knowledge which my hon. friend the Minister of Agriculture possesses. With respect to the subject at large, I admit at once the great importance and desirability of attaining the ends which the hon. gentleman has in view ; and had this motion been brought up at an earlier period, it might have been of much greater use than I fear it can be at this moment. The facts which have been placed in my hands by the Department of Agriculture, however, do not appear to confirm the statements made by my hon. friend. For instance, if I remember rightly, the hon. gentleman stated that there were only a very small number of thermographs made use of at the instance of the Department of Agriculture. According to a statement placed in my hands by the oflicers of that department, there were no less than 199 thermographs placed in different parts of the steamships sailing to Great Britain. These were placed at follows : In cold storage chambers, butter and fruit, 155 ; cold air chambers, cheese and fruit, 32; ordinary storage, cheese and fruit, 12 ;-in all 199. That does not appear to correspond entirely with the statements my hon. friend has just been making.	[DOT]


Ernest D'Israeli Smith: I think it does.


Richard John Cartwright: I did not hear him admit that there were 199 thermographs placed in different chambers. On the contrary, I understood him to complain that the department had grievously neglected its duty in that respect.


Ernest D'Israeli Smith: Had the right hon. gentleman heard what I said, he would have known that I quoted exactly those figures.


Richard John Cartwright: I did not hear him make any such statement.


Ernest D'Israeli Smith: I said that just twelve records were taken of goods going out in ordinary storage out of several hundred chambers of perishable goods.


Richard John Cartwright: The hon. gentleman led the House to understand that there had been great negligence in the matter of placing thermographs. As to the ques-Sir RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.
tion of temperature, the figures given me do not appear to correspond entirely with those given by the hon. gentleman. In respect of the Canadian Pacific Railway lines, the highest average on any voyage is given at thirty-eight. His average in some cases were very much higher. In the case of the Dominiuon Line the highest average was thirty ; the Donaldson Line, thirty-nine ; the Allans, thirty-five ; the Dominion, thirty-six, sailing to Liverpool ; the Allans, sailing to Liverpool, the highest forty, lowest fifteen ; the Thompson Line sailing from London, highest forty-three, lowest nineteen ; the Allan Line sailing to London highest thirty-five, lowest twenty-four ; the Manchester liners, highest thirty-three, lowest twenty-two. As regards what the Department of Agriculture has done, the department has furnished me with this memo. They state that the department maintains a staff of inspectors at Montreal to observe and report concerning the condition of Canadian food products when loaded in the steamers, including the shipments carried in icoid storage. The refrigerator chambers are examined before loading commences, and a note is made as to their condition. The storage of the packages is carefully observed and thermometers are placed in each chamber in which food products are stowed. The inspectors at the British ports also report on the condition of the Canadian food products when discharged from the steamers. That appears to show that the department exercises control, as far as possible, over the shipment of these various products. I did not understand the hon. gentleman to say that there was any considerable depreciation in the great article of cheese, but that in one or two cases there had been some depreciation. His complaints were very largely directed to the condition of the.shipments of butter, which he alleged were carried forward under conditions not favourable to their delivery in England in a proper condition, and I think he also specified apples as having been forwarded in a rather imperfect state. As to the matter of fruit and butter, I am not in a position to say whether the statements made by the hon. gentleman are correct or not. Undoubtedly the matter is one of very great importance. Undoubtedly it is extremely desirable that these goods should be carried in good condition, and undoubtedly the Department of Agriculture has been at pains to endeavour to see that this was done. I may also state that I believe the various steamship companies are, as would naturally be expected, themselves very desirous of seeing that those goods are properly cared \for and arrive in proper condition. That is very much in their interest. They desire to encourage trade and are extremely anxious that these products should be delivered in good condition and all damage ajid loss in transit be avoided. But I notice, particularly in connection with the shipments of

apples, that the authorities on the other side are of the opinion that it is absolutely necessary for our fruit dealers to alter their method of packing in order to insure the apples being delivered in proper condition. That is a question of importance and quite apart from the question of ventilation and storage. Both the Department of Agriculture and mine have been advised at various times that great injury to the Canadian trade had resulted from improper packing in various ways, from the use of packages not suitable to the English trade, from very inferior fruit being packed, particularly in the centre of the barrels and sometimes fruit that was damaged at the time. I have a report from the ' 'Commercial Intelligencer London, whish it is worth while reading, although I hate to detain the House, because it throws a good deal of light on the complaints that have been made concerning the shipments of apples :
The shipments of apples from Canada in the season just closed were on a very large scale, but although we were short owing to the almost complete failure of home orchards, Canadians have not reaped the golden harvest they should have done out of our necessities. Many thousands of barrels of fruit have been sold here at a figure that would not cover freight and charges, without reckoning prime cost, and it is doubtless the fact that shippers have in many cases netted a loss on their consignments.
The Federation of Grocers' Associations of England have passed a resolution calling on exporters to change the present style of packing, and if the advice is followed Canadians may see a little more money in the export business than they have in recent years. They say that the barrel which is now used, save in a few instances, is a most unsuitable package. The fruit arrives in a damaged condition, and frequently apples of a fine quality, which were in prime order when put up, are unsaleable or only disposable at a low figure. This is borne out by our own experience, as we have seen fine fruit turned out of the barrels bruised and unsightly, which were probably a picture to look upon before they began their long journey.
Another objection to the barrel is its size. Grocers have only of late years taken up the sale of imported apples on any scale, and the reason is that they have not always the convenience of stowage required by the barrel, besides which a package containing three bushels of fruit is not a convenient one to handle. The unanimous expression of opinion by this important federation, which represents grocers throughout the entire country, should be taken heed of by shippers in Canada, who, if they can get grocers here to take up the sale of their apples all over the country, need not fear for the disposal of their surplus apples.
The package that would meet the ideas of the grocers here, according to what we have been able to make out from inquiries we have made, is a case of two compartments that would hold about one-half barrel, something after the style of the boxes now arriving from Tasmania and New Zealand. The apples should be laid in tiers, and paper shavings, where these are easily available, would help to prevent bruising and to preserve the flavour of
the fruit, which is mostly gone by the time it gets on our tables.
The barrel is absolutely condemned, and it is to the interests of Canadians to devise some package which shall take its place.


Mr. CLANCY.: Where does the right lion, gentleman find any justification in that for the negiect of the Department of Agriculture to see that its instructions are properly carried out ?


Richard John Cartwright: I do not say that the department has shown any neglect, but I am r.t inting out that there are two or three sides to the question. If Canadian shippers had put their goods in proper packages, an immense number of the complaints that have been advanced would have disappeared. The sending forward of very large quantities in barrels is likely to cause the crushing of the fruit in many cases, particularly if the fruit be of tender character, which must naturally depreciate the products of our orchards when for sale in England. The government are as desirous as hon. gentlemen opposite can be, and have shown every anxiety to advance the interests of the community and of the farmers. So far as there is any justification for the remarks of the hon. gentleman, I am quite sure that my hon. colleague will do his very best to meet any reasonable demand that may be made by the shipping interests in the way of securing better shipments of our products.
These statements from his department as to the steps taken, which I have read, appear to me to show that the department has not been negligent of its duty. It appears to me that the department is doing what it can to provide that these matters shall be carefully attended to. I do not see, Sir, that there is any -very great use, in my hon. friend's (Mr. Fisher's) absence, in prolonging -tins discussion very much. I will call his attention, when he returns, to the speech of the hon. member for Wentworth (Mr. E. D. Smith), and to the facts that he has stated-if they be facts ; all I can say is that they do not seem to me to correspond entirely with the statements supplied to me from the Department of Agriculture. I agree with the hon. gentleman (Mr. E. 'D. Smith) that the question is of importance ; I agree with him that the attention of the House and the government cannot be called to any subject of more importance than that of seeing to it that all our food products are landed in England in the best possible condition-all that is cor rect and true. The government, and particularly the Department of Agriculture, have been bending their energies in that direction. If, in any respect, they have fallen short or failed, all I can say is that, for one, 1 propose to do my uttermost to remedy these defects. And any one who knows what my hon. friend the Minister of Agriculture, has done in the past in that direction will agree with me that the hon. gen

tlernan may be relied upon to do all that be can, and the government, too, may be relied upon to do all that they can, to meet the needs and wants of the people in this regard.


Mr. A. B. INGRAM.: Mr. Speaker


Some hon. MEMBERS: One o'clock.


Andrew B. Ingram: I desire to say only, one word. The right hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir Richard Cartwright) cast reflection upon the hon. member for Wentworth (Mr. E. D. Smith) for not bringing this matter up earlier in this session, i wish to point out that on the 9th of June last the hon. member did bring this matt&r up, and I will quote one sentence that will be found at page 4568 of ' Hansard,' and which was spoken in the course of a long, able and important speech :
I find, however, that there are only 199 thermograph records taken, 155 in cold storage chambers, 32 in cooled chambers, and 12 in ordinary storage.
In that speech the hon. gentleman dealt fully with the question. The Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Fisher) was in his place during a portion of the discussion, although he was not here when the hon. gentleman (Mr. E. B. Smith) began his address. So it is not correct to say that my hon. friend from Went worth left this important matter until late in the session. But, on the other hand, I wish to point out that the hon. Minister of Agriculture has not deigned to reply to my Lon. friend's speech from that day to this.


Some hon. MEMBERS: One o'clock.
Sir WTI/FRID LATTRIER. We are in the judgment of our friends on the other side. If the debate is closed, if nobody else wishes to speak, I think we had better divide upon the question.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I wish to say a few words on this question.


Some hon. MEMBERS: Oh, oh.


Some hon. MEMBERS: Sit down.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: If hon. gentlemen opposite think that by this kind of interruption they are going to restrain any member on this side from expressing his views, they might as well understand first as last that their efforts will have no such result.
At one o'clock, House took recess.
House resumed at Three o'clock.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Mr. Speaker, when you left the chair at one o'clock we were dealing with the question of cold storage, and were discussing the answer made by the Minister of Trade and Commerce, who I regret is now not in his place. The minister was excusing the Minister of Agriculture and saying that he was unable to do justice to the subject owing to the absence Sir RICHARD CARTWRIGHT.
of his colleague. We regard the Minister of Trade and Commerce as quite as much responsible for any defects in the situation as the Minister of Agriculture, and he should 'have answered for himself rather than for 'the Minister of Agriculture. WThy ? Because the Minister of Trade and Commerce submits and has this House vote subsidies [DOT]for steamships carrying mails. It has always been, we are told, the policy of the government in making these contracts to provide suitable accommodation, cold storage, cool air chambers and ventilated spaces for carrying the products of the country. When we .were giving these subsidies, when parliament was giving consideration for the services of a steamship line, then would have been the best time to impose such conditions to the subsidy as we desired to have attached to It, and it is not and ought not to be the sole aim of the Minister of Trade and Commerce to have this House vote large subsidies to steamships for the purpose of carrying a portion of the mails of this country. He told us that the large bulk of our mails went by New York and would continue to go by New York on account of the more rapid transportation from that port, and because boats leave New York every day, whereas boats leave Montreal and Halifax practically only about once a week. Then if it was only partially for the purpose of carrying mails that the money is given, what was the other purpose ? The other purpose we are told repeatedly by the Minister of Agriculture and the Minister of Trade and Commerce as well, was to induce the v'essel owners to provide suitable cold storage or ventilated chambers for carrying the perishable products of Canada in order to place them on the markets of Europe in the best possible condition. That being the case, whose duty was it above all others to see that this was done, if not that of the Minister of Trade and Commerce ? It was he who got the House to vote the subsidies for these vessels, and who made the contracts with the steamship companies. He was constantly in communication with the steamship companies, and if they failed to make such provisions as would ensure to the people of Canada suitable ventilated chambers and cold storage on these vessels, then they failed to do their duty, and I claim that the Minister of Trade and Commerce *was more responsible than the Minister of Agriculture. When we were discussing 'these subsidies to vessels, his attention was drawn to this state of affairs, and we had the contracts produced: What was the bare provision of the contract? That the companies would provide suitable cold storage with no specifications as to just what provisions should be made and with no authority for the government to supervise or control the system.
This question of ventilation was discussed last year. The Minister of Agriculture was

asked on May 14 about this matter and be answered :
Under this arrangement goods will be put into ordinary holds and they will not be charged any extra but just the ordinary freight rates on the same kind of goods.
He was speaking of the air shafts that were to supply cool air to the hold of the vessel. When the question was asked again across the floor of the House by the hon. member for Wentworth, what charges were made, he answered :
8,796 barrels apples were in cold air chambers and the extra charge was Is. 6d. per barrel.
Now that does not agree with his answer , to us when we were voting the money ; then there was to be no extra charge ; but he says there that it is Is. 6d. per barrel extra, if you take advantage of these cold [DOT]air *chambers. Is that correct ? He assures us in one case that there is no extra charge, and takes credit to himself because they have made that provision in the interests of the farmers of the country, and when the question is put direct to him in another form he says that there is an extra charge for the use of these chambers. The importance of the extra charge of 10 shillings per ton on witter and cheese will be appreciated when I remind the House that the ordinary freight charge is 20 shillings a ton, so that the increase amounts to 50 per cent of the freight charges, for those who take advantage of this arrangement. Whatever benefit might result from the installation of this ventilation was denied to the agriculturists of this country owing to the increased cost.
The Minister of Trade and Commerce said :	Oh, the Minister of Agriculture is
not here. Why did you not bring this up earlier in the session when the Minister -of Agriculture was present ? We have been endeavouring during the whole session up to the last few days to elicit the information we required to enable us to deal with this subject and it was because we could not get this information that we did not bring it up earlier. We had to resort to every expedient in parliamentary practice to obtain that information. We brought it up at the very earliest moment we could so as to enable us to deal with it intelligently and it is not our fault that the hon. Minister of Agriculture is not here. We have had this serious ground of complaint against the government for a long time that generally when these important questions are discussed they are discussed when only one or two or three of the ministers are in the House and when the members of the government charged with the department whose acts are under consideration are nearly always absent. Is it our duty to keep them in the House ? Is it not rather their place to be in the House ? Last night when we were discussing the Public Works estimates
and when we desired information what did the hon. acting minister (Mr. Hyman) tell us ?-it is not in my department ; it is iu the Department of Marine and Fisheries. Then we asked ; Why is not the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Prefon-taine) here ? This money is being voted ; we want the information to enable us to do our duty to the country properly, to know whether this is a wise vote and if that information can only be got from the Department of Marine and Fisheries why is not the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries here ? I noticed the fact last night that while these important discussions were going on there were only two ministers outside of the ho. minister without portfolio who were in the House, that for a part of the time only one minister was here, and that none of the ministers representing the spending departments of the government that we desired to get information from were here.


William Mulock: How many members of the opposition were present last night ?


Thomas Simpson Sproule: There were enough members to put all the questions that we desired to put in order to bring out the information. If the ministers had been here as they ought to have been we could have shortened the time very much and the progress with the estimates would have been much more rapid. I say that we have just ground for complaint and that we have had to complain of the absence of ministers over and over again during the present session. The ministers seem to think that the discharge of their duties in the House is a secondary consideration. We want information but we are told that the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries is out. Then, we ask about the Department of Public Works and we are told that the hon. Minister of Public Works (Mr. Sutherland) is away, that he is unwell. Then we ask about the Department of Militia and Defence and we are told that the hon. Minister of Militia is not here, next we are told that the right hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce (Sir Richard Cartwright) is not here and we go round from one to the other until we are put to our wits end to know what to do to perform our duty in this House. We cannot get information. For half of the session we have been trying to get information from the hon. Minister of the Interior (Mr. Sifton) but we find that that hon. gentleman is rarely here when we are discussing a question in which his department is involved. Where are these men to-day ? Is it our place to compel them to stay here ? Is it rather not their duty tp be here to answer questions put by members of the opposition regarding the conduct of their various departments ? I draw attention to this matter


Lawrence Geoffrey Power: Order.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I am not a speaking trumpet, and I would like to get an opportunity to say what X have to say-what observation did the Postmaster General make ?


William Mulock: I did not make any observation ; I was only thinking.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I have no objection to your thinking if you and your government would think out how better to discharge your duties. I was proceeding to show that the development of the industry was not due to anything the government had done by providing cold storage, and as proof I drew attention to the fact that only one cheese in fifty-eight was sent in cold storage. The Minister of Agriculture has no right to take to himself the credit for the development of the industry under such circumstances. It is because of these derelictions on the part of the government and because of their lack of intelligence and business foresight that we believe we are justly entitled to move this amendment and to, if possible, censure the government because of the manner in which they have neglected to discharge their duties.


Mr. ANDREW BRODER.: Mr. Speaker-


Some hon. MEMBERS: Oh.


Andrew Broder: You gentlemen had better keep quiet over there, because you are in cold storage, and you will find it difticuit to get out. There is no use of your sweating ; that is the trouble with the butter and cheese which we send in cold storage ; it sweats. I want to bring the attention of the House and the country to a few things that ought to be understood more fully by the people of Canada. I find in the report of the Minister of Agriculture proof of the most guilty neglect of duty in reference to the condition of our products when they get to the old country. He tells us in his report that in one instance butter shipped to Glasgow in cold storage lay eleven days on the Glasgow dock. What is the use of shipping anything in cold storage when you allow it to be exposed to the weather for eleven days ? There ought to be some business system connected with this cold storage transportation. Previous to the election in 1900, every large rock and boulder through the country was placarded : ' Vote for Laurier and eleven cent cheese.' We are on the rocks now. Then, any poor fellow that got up on a political platform and could not i talk very well, only had to point to the inscription on the rocks. To-day the rocks cry out against the government : Vote for Laurier and seven cent cheese. Where is the won-252
derful accomplishment of the Minister ot Agriculture who himself has to admit that only one box of cheese out of fifty goes in cold storage. It is a strange process of reasoning that will force us to the conclusion that one box of cheese in cold storage will raise the price of the other forty-nine. I call the attention of the country to the further fact that the Canadian farmer to-day is confined to less articles out of which he can make money than ever before in the history of the country. That being so, his butter, his cheese and his cattle must be shipped under proper conditions or he will loose his foothold in the British market. The government are neglecting their duty, and Siberia, New Zealand and Denmark are displacing Canada in the English market. Russia, including Siberia, is taking a larger place in the butter trade of England than Canada is. Talk about what the government has done in the interests of the farmers of Canada. It is the energy of the farmers backed ul>
by the energetic business men of Canada that has pushed the government along. These influences push the cart up the hill and when they get to the top the government shout: ' Look at the load we have drawn.' The Hon. Mr. Fisher is not in his place to-day, but he ought to be ; a farmer should not be away from home in the harvest time. I venture to say, however, Mr. Speaker, that the work won't suffer if he is away, judging of our experience of the man. Until there is a continuity of proper transportation in reference to these perishable products, and provision made on the other shore for their care, our trade will suffer. I am quite willing to admit that it would not be a wise thing for business men, or for the government either to over-ride the business conditions now in control ofl business men in England. But it is possible to use the men in business over there to the interest of this country, and the government have not done that. If the consignee of an article of a Canadian produce of a perishable nature, allows it to remain in Glasgow for eleven days lying on the dock there is a wrong condition of business. I will read what is said in the report of the Agricultural Department for 1903 :
A good deal has been done in recent years to improve the transportation facilities for our export butter trade, so that to-day Canadian butter is carried in cold storage from the time it leaves the creamery until it reaches the British docks. To reap the full advantage of our chain of cold storage transportation it is apparent that the butter should go into cold storage as soon as it is landed in Great Britain.
Why is not that the case ?
Instead of this, however, it is often allowed to remain on the quays at Liverpool and Glasgow several days, greatly to the detriment.


COMAfOWS
[Stage Direction]
The idea of taking credit for sending butter and cheese over to England in cold storage, and allowing it to lie on the docks there for several days. It makes no difference under what condition you send the article over, if you allow it to stand on the dock until it has deteriorated in value. Can there be any stronger indictment of the government, and particularly the Minister of Agriculture in reference to the cold storage, than this very statement contained in his own report. After all the boasting of hon. gentlemen opposite; taking the last seven years of the Conservative regime and the first seven years of the Liberal regime, the average increase in the price of cheese has only been three-tenths of one cent per pound.
If you take the seven years inclusive of this year, that three-tenths of a cent will be gone ; the average will be less than the average of the seven years previous to the Conservative party going out of power. Then why take such credit to the government ? The song they sing all over the country is : See what we have done for your butter and your cheese ; vote for Laurier and seven-cent cheese. This, as I have said, is on all the rocks. They will not sing the same song this year if they are honest ; they will have to dance to a different kind of music. I want to say this before I sit down. In the interest of these -large products of this country, the condition of the market as affected by the efforts of other people is not duly considered by hon. gentlemen opposite. We are meeting a different condition of things in the English market from what we ever met before, and	until	this	new	condition	is studied	and	met,	the	business	of this
country of that nature cannot be successfully handled. We are too much at the mercy of the efforts of other people in the English market, unless we hold the first place there. ' In order to meet this new condition, it is necessary first to find your market ; and, with all their boasting, hon. gentlemen opposite have not found a new market for this country since they came into power. After having found your market, it is necessary to keep it, and, in order to keep it, it is necessary to suit your market. Unless hon. gentlemen opposite change their system of attending to this business, they will fail to keep their market because they will fail to suit it.
House divided on amendment of Mr E. D. Smith.
YEAS :
Messieurs
Alcorn,	Hughes (Victoria),
Armstrong,	Ingram,
Barker,	Lancaster,
Bell,	LaRivi&re,
Birkett, '	Lefurgey,
Blain,	Lennox,
Borden (Halifax),	Leonard,
Boyd,	McGowan,
Andrew Broder: Brock,	Morin,
Broder,	Northrup,
Clancy,	Richardson,
Clarke,	Robinson (Elgin),
Culbert,	Rosamond,
Earle,	Smith (Wentworth),
Fowler,	Sproule,
Gilmour,	Tisdale,
Gourley,	Vrooman,
Hackett,	Wilmot,
Henderson,	Wilson-38.
NAYS :	
Messieurs	
Beith,	Lewis,
Blanchet,	Logan,
Borden (Sir Frederick)	Loy,
Bourbonnais,	Macdonald,
Brodeur,	Mackie,
Bruneau,	Macpherson,
Bureau,	McCool,
Campbell,	McGugan,
Carbonneau,	Mclsaac,
Champagne,	McLennan,
Christie,	Marcil (Bagot), ,
Costigan,	Marcil (Bonaventure
Demers (St. John),	Matheson,
Desjardins,	Mignault,
Emmerson,	Morrison,
Erb,	Oliver,
Ethier,	Paterson,
Fielding,	Prefontaine,
Fitzpatrick,	Riley,
Fortier,	Rivet,
Geoffrion,	Roche (Halifax),
Gervais,	Ross (Victoria, N.S.)
Gibson,	Ross (Yukon),
Harwood,	Russell,
Heyd,	Scott,
Hughes	Smith (Vancouver),
(King's, P.E.I.),	Stewart,
Johnston (Lambton),	Sutherland (Essex),
Lapointe,	Turgeon,
Laurier (Sir Wilfrid),	Wallace,
Laurier (L'Assomption),Wright-62. ,	
LeBlanc,	
PAIRS :	
Ministerial.	Opposition.
McEwen,	Slierritt,
Cowan,	Pringle,
Dyment,	McCormick,
McColl,	Ward,
Sutherland (Oxford),	Haggart,
Haszard,	Daniel,
Wade,	Kaulbach,
Law,	Casgrain,
Talbot,	Cochrane,
Malouin,	Monk,
Parmalee,	Pope,
Ross (Ontario S.),	Clare,
Sinclair,	Donnelly,
Tucker,	Tolton,
Dugas,	Tarte,
Galliher,	Seagram,
Grant,	Lavell,
Holmes,	Maclean,
Kendall,	Halliday,
MacKinnon,	Johnston (Cardwell)
Calvert,	Taylor,
Hyman,	Bruce,
Harty,	Reid (Grenville),
Cartwright (Sir R.)	Tupper,
Lovell,	Kendry,
Thompson	
(Haldimand),	Roche (Marquette),
Tobin,	Ball,

Lang,
Mulock,
Meigs,
Reid (Restigouche), Sift on,
Tolmie,
Bickerdike,
Gallery,
Gould,
Guthrie,
Johnston [DOT]
(Cape Breton), Lavergne (Drum. & Artha.), MacLaren (Huntingdon),
Bennett,
Porter,'
Ganong,
Kidd,
Osier,
MacLaren (Perth), Roddick,
Calvin,
Hale,
*Avery,
Robinson (Northumberland), Thompson (Grey),
Kemp.


Mr. TAYLOR.: The hon. member for Cumberland (Mr. Logan) and myself have not voted. The reason I did not vote is that I am paired with the chief whip of the government. I notice also that several gentlemen whose names are recorded are not now present. Their names ought certainly to be struck off the list.


Edward Cochrane: I am paired with the hon. member for Labelle (Mr. Bourassa). Had I not been paired, I would have voted for the amendment.
Amendment negatived, motion agreed to, and House went into Committee of Supply.
Department of Justice-salaries, including John Chisholm at $1,650, and allowance to private secretary of the Solicitor General, notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act, $39,090.


Mr. FOWLER.: I notice that old phrase, not withstanding anything in the Civil Service Act. I would like to know what it means in this instance.


Hon. CHAS. FITZPATRICK (Minister of Justice).: This item has reference to John Chisholm. Mr. Chisholm is a member of the bar of Nova Scotia, he has been in the department for a long time, and the intention is to give him an increase this year of $150 as a first-class clerk. He is a compe-: tent man and is worthy of the increase.


Robert Laird Borden: I know that Mr. Chisholm is a very good officer, and he has been a long time in the service of the department.
Department of Justice

contingencies $12,300.


Robert Laird Borden: Why is it necessary to make some provision with regard to the private secretary of the Solicitor General ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: At the time he was not qualified but he has since passed his examination, and it is not really necessary now.


George William Fowler: It seems to me it would be better for ministers to take men outside the service as their private secretaries. The private secretary to a minister must be mixed up in politics, and I don't think it is well that members of the civil service should take any part in political matters, although of course they should be perfectly free to exercise their franchise.


Charles Fitzpatrick: There is something to be said in favour of what my hon. friend urges. But a private secretary, who is acquainted with the details of the department is more useful to the minister than could be an outsider. When Solicitor General, I took the private secretary of my predecessor and found him exceedingly useful. I never had any cause to suspect his loyalty, and when I became Minister of Justice, I took the private secretary of the gentleman whom I succeeded.
Mr. FOWLER, That is all very well, but at the same time a private secretary is bound to mix himself up in politics sometimes.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Of course, he cannot help being mixed up in politics. You have to use him for your private or political affairs.


Robert Laird Borden: What is the cause of the increase in the amount to be paid junior second-class clerks ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Miss Armstrong gets an increase of $50 from 1st of July, 1904. Mr. H. A. McGillivray gets an increase of $50 from 1st of October, 1904. There is an increase of $180 to Mr. Gilbert Smith who has been in the department many years and who formerly was connected with the penitentiary branch. He is really no addition to the force, but simply transferred from the position of temporary clerk, which lie occupied since 1895 in the penitentiary branch.
Administration of Justice - miscellaneous expenditure, including Northwest Territories, $45,000.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The increase is due to the expanding business of the Northwest Territories. The expenditure has been increasing gradually until it has reached a very large amount. The amount expended in 1902-3 was $42,185. The services which show the largest increases are the maintenance of prisoners and the jury and witness fees, and we are obliged to ask for a supplementary vote of $20,000. making in all the expenditure connected with the administration of Justice in the Northwest Territories some $05,000. The maintenance of prisoners at the police posts costs $26,000. The prisoners who do not go to jail or penitentiary are held over, pending their trial in the mounted police posts, and the mounted police charge the department 60 cents per day for their maintenance. That cost us this year $26,000. Then there is the transport of prisoners from one place to another in the Territories. This is done by the police. We have to pay for the moving expenses and that item amounts to $6,000. Then there are the Crown prosecutors', juries' and witness fees and the coroners and sheriffs' fees.
Administration of Justice-to supplement the salary of the judge of the county court for district No. 7, Nova Scotia, $600.


Charles Fitzpatrick: That is Judge Dodd at Sydney.


Robert Laird Borden: That, I suppose, is in consequence of the immense amount of work thrown upon Judge Dodd by reason of that great commercial development there?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes. We made special cases of Halifax, St. John and Sydney.


Uriah Wilson: What is his salary now ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: It is $3,000-$2,400 was the usual salary.
Administration of Justice-allowance to ' ad hoc ' Judges, $200.


Charles Fitzpatrick: This is a vote which is seldon drawn upon. It is to provide that judges of adjoining districts may he sent in, where, through illness or other causes, the judges are not in their places.
Administration of Justice-Supreme Court- one usher, $700.


Robert Laird Borden: Is that an additional official ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: This is the usher of the court, in succession to Curran. I understand that Curran was paid as a messenger and acted as usher. We have now appointed a man as usher of the court.


Robert Laird Borden: I see that in the next item the messengers, there is a reduction of $540. I suppose that means that there is not an additional official.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The accountant explains to me that the increase of $520 in the item of contingencies and disbursements, extra messengers, &c., means that an extra messenger has been appointed in the Supreme Court
Administration of Justice-Exchequer Court of Canada-one chief clerk, $1,900.


Charles Fitzpatrick: This is Mr. Morse, who is a barrister and has been sixteen years on the staff of the court. Since ISaO he has been engaged in the preparation of the court reports, and he acts as a sort of legal secretary to the judge. He is a very competent man. I have decided, this year, to make him a chief clerk, which entails an increase of $150 in this vote.
Exchequer Court of Canada-two junior 2nd class clerks, one at $1,075, one, Duncan Clark i at $1,000, notwithstanding anything in the , Civil Service Act, $2,075.


Charles Fitzpatrick: These are James Macdonald, and Duncan Clark, officials who , are well known and who are very competent r men. Mr. Clark has been in the service for , nine years and is reported to be, by the , registrar, as one of the most efficient men ] in the service.
Exchequer Court of Canada-contingencies -judge's and registrar's travelling expenses, < salaries of sheriffs, &c., printing and station- 1 ery. &c., and of $50 for judge's hooks, $4,000. f


Charles Fitzpatrick: 


Samuel Hughes: I was not present when item 26 was under discussion, bull ,T will take advantage of this opportunity to call the attention of the Minister of Justice to a matter of importance. We have had an admission in this House from an hon. member that he sat here with the expectation of taking a place on the bench in the province of Nova Scotia. Telegrams have been sent by that hon. gentleman to his friendst, petitions have been circulated by his friends with his knowledge among his friends to the senior minister from that province and to the Prime Minister, urging that the hon. gentleman should be given this position on the bench. It was a rule laid down by the late Sir John Macdonald never to give a place upon the bench to any one who asked for it, because any one who asked for this position proved himself thereby utterly unworthy of it. The hon. gentleman to whom I refer is not in his place now. I am sorry he is not. I .will ask the attention of the minister in the meantime, and I will bring it forward again when the hon. gentleman is in his place. I am calling attention to the hon. member for Hants (Mr. Russell) who has been driven out of every part of Nova Scotia in which he has held any position.
I would ask the Minister of Justice what are the facts in connection with the application of this hon. gentleman for a place on the bench.


Charles Fitzpatrick: No application has been made to me for this position. All I can add to that is that, if I were asked to make a selection for the appointment to the court in the province of Nova Scotia, I do not think that, because of his standing and eminent ability and his position generally,
I could make a better selection than the hon. member for Hants (Mr. Russell).


Robert Laird Borden: I would ask the hon. minister in this connection, why it is that there has been such very great delay in filling the position of chief justice of the province of Nova Scotia ? This has been the subject of a good deal of comment in that province, and the rumour is not by any means unknown that questions of political expediency have had something to do with it;-that is to say, a certain county in the province is a fairly close county in most elections, and that we have had the most unusual condition of a vacancy in the position of head of the highest court of that province continuing now for smething like six months because of that reason, and that reason alone. It is not desirable, in the interest of the administration of justice, that a rumour of that kind should be so common and apparently so well founded as this has been. If I remember rightly the matter was referred to by a question early in the session, and the Minister of Justice said at tne time that the delay in filling the vacancy was due to the fact that the late chief justice still retained the position of judge of the Admiralty Court.

It would not appear to me that that affords any reason whatever for delay In the appointment. In the province of New Brunswick, and elsewhere the gentleman who fills the position of local judge of the Exchequer Court is not the chief justice. That position is not associated in any way with the position of chief justice of Nova Scotia. That position is absolutely distinct from that of the local judge of the Exchequer Court. I know no reason why the Supreme court of Nova Scotia should have been deprived of its head for so many months and cannot conceive of any reason for it. unless we are to assume that the rumours which have undoubtedly been current in the province are worthy of credence. I think it is due to the House as well as to the people of Nova Scotia and especially to the bench and bar of Nova Scotia that my hon. friend should make some statement.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I think that the chief justice of Nova Scotia sent in his resignation at the end of January or the beginning of February last. Of course, I speak from recollection only. And at the time he resigned his position as chief justice while retaining his position as judge in admiralty. I quite understand there is no connection between the chief justiceship and the admiralty because the duties of the office of chief justice do not entail the duties of a judge in admiralty. At the same time my hon. friend will realize that it would be advisable in view of the salaries paid-I have to admit, speaking now absolutely for myself, that the salaries are very small,- to offer the position to some one who would enjoy the advantage of being a judge in admiralty and able to add the emoluments derived from that office to these derived from the chief justiceship. The matter has received some consideration and so far no one from Nova Scotia has made complaint that any inconvenience has resulted from the vacancy. Speaking for myself I would" be prepared to urge the appointment of a chief justice. Of course the leader of the opposition (Mr. R. L. Borden) is Aware that the position of chief justice is not under the patronage of the Minister of Justice. The chief justiceships as well as appointments to the Supreme Court are not under the patronage of the Minister of Justice. However, I will see to it, so far as I am concerned, that immediately after the session -we will consider the matter carefully and something will be done towards making the appointment so far as I can arrange.


Robert Laird Borden: I do not know the etiquette as to the patronage in regard to these positions, but I believe that the appointment rests with the Prime Minister.


Charles Fitzpatrick: That has been the practice since 1885, since Sir John Thompson's time.


Robert Laird Borden: It seems to me the Prime Minister should be here to answer the question.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I do not seek to shirk responsibility.
M^r. R. L. BORDEN. Possibly you might leave an item.


Charles Fitzpatrick: You can bring it up at any time..


Richard John Cartwright: You will have supplementaries in which that will be touched upon.


Robert Laird Borden: I must ask the Minister of Justice to be prepared on some further item to answer this question a little more satisfactorily than he has done to-day. There is no argument at all in what he has said. If the chief justice of Nova Scotia should retain the position of judge in admiralty for the next three years the government of this country would be justified in keeping that position vacant for three years if the argument of the Minister of Justice is a valid one. That is not a valid reason, and it was not believed by the people of Nova Scotia that any such reason has influenced the government. I accept everything the Minister of Justice has said exactly in the sense in which he intended me to understand it. He realizes that perfectly ; I understand it exactly as he intends, but I want him to understand this distinctly that the people of Nova Scotia believe, and I think there is good reason for believing, that the position of chief justice of that province has been kept open for reasons of political expediency and not for the reasons suggested by the Minister of .Justice to-day. It is not right that there should be any dealing with important judicial positions from that standpoint or for reasons of that kind. There are men on the bench and at the bar of Nova Scotia who are not only able but willing to fill that position to-day for the somewhat meagre salary attached to it, and there would have been not the slightest difficulty in filling that position satisfactorily to the people and to the bar of Nova Scotia, without delay of more than one or two weeks after the vacancy occurred. Under these conditions I think it is due to the House that the Minister of Justice should either now or later give some better explanation or that the Prime Minister, if the responsibility devolves on him, should give some better explanation than we have had to-day. The whole matter of judicial appointments may require to be discussed a little either now or later on ; in fact I propose to discuss it. I will not say any more at this time but I would like the Minister of Justice to see that the premier is here when some supplementary estimate of his own is brought before the House in order that this question may be discussed in a more satisfactory way.


Samuel Hughes: In this connection I was a little surprised to hear a gentleman of the standing of the Minister of Justice state that he would have been satisfied to see the member for Hants appointed to a position upon the bench. After the exhibition which was furnished this House and the country yesterday by the Minister of Trade and Commerce in defending a gentleman bordering on the condition of a criminal, and his appointment to a high position in the service of this country, I suppose we should be prepared for anything, but I did not think the Minister of Justice would so far forget himself as to endorse the appointment of the hon. gentleman for Hants to a position on the bench. The hon. member for Hants has distinguished himself in this House. He has practically admitted that he is an applicant for the position of chief justice of the province of Nova Scotia. Whether he admits it or hot, it is well known that he is an applicant for the position. It Is well known that he telegraphed the Prime Minister and urged his friends to telegraph the Prime Minister


Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.: I am afraid the hon. gentleman is out of order. We cannot discuss the hon. member for Hants and his relations to the government under this item.


Samuel Hughes: We are discussing contingencies and appointments to the chief justiceship of Nova Scotia.


Peter Macdonald: He is discussing simply the character and reputation of the member for Hants. You cannot discuss that under this heading.


Samuel Hughes: The item is in reference to judges.


Peter Macdonald: The hon. member for Hants is not a judge.


Samuel Hughes: He may be, we are discussing judicial appointments.


Peter Macdonald: My ruling is this and I am sure the hon. gentleman will see the reasonableness of it, that you cannot discuss the relations of the member for Hants with the'government. The hon. member's statement is simply a conjecture and we cannot discuss that here.


Samuel Hughes: I am discussing the purity of the bench and we have the policy of these gentlemen


Peter Macdonald: I rule that it is out of order.


Some hon. MEMBERS: Order, order.


Peter Macdonald: The hon. member should sit down. My decision is that we cannot take up the question whether the member for Hants is expecting ail appointment or not in dealing with a question of this kind.


Samuel Hughes: I am asked to wait until the hon. member for Hants is here. He was in his place five minutes before this Mr. R. L. BORDEN.
discussion began and he skipped out. If the Minister of Justice will give us an item or name a day when this matter will be discussed, I will be satisfied. If he will not I shall make a motion to adjourn, because I certainly am not going to allow, as far as I am concerned, any such appointments as this to be made, of members who occupy places in the parliament of Canada with appointments in their pockets, misrepresenting the people of the country without-


Peter Macdonald: Order.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The leader of the opposition (Mr. R. L. Borden) has given notice that he intends to bring this up at a future date and perhaps we might as well discuss it then.


Robert Laird Borden: What item is there


Charles Fitzpatrick: We will make an item ; we can take it up at any time.


Peter Macdonald: Will this pass ?


Robert Laird Borden: No, we will not pass it while I am on my feet making an arrangement with the Minister of Justice. Under no circumstances will we do that.


Peter Macdonald: The hon. gentleman need not get angry. I was looking at the Minister of Justice and did not see the leader of the opposition was on his feet. The hon. gentleman should be a little more courteous to the chair.


Robert Laird Borden: The chair should not be discourteous.


Peter Macdonald: I have never uttered an uncourteous word in this House in the last four years. Why the hon. member should speak as he has done I do not understand. I must protect myself.


Robert Laird Borden: I have no desire to be discourteous but I do not wish to have an item passed when I am on my feet. Would the mTniiter give us the item.


Charles Fitzpatrick: There are two items in the supplementaries for the present year and for the past year. The additional amount required for judges travelling allowances will be found at page 2 of the further supplementary estimates and at page 1 of the supplementaries.


Mr.  R. I.. BORDEN@: Then I understand that on any of these items this matter may be discussed.


Charles Fitzpatrick: On any item, or if it would be more advantageous to have the question widened, we might fix a day on going into supply to take up the matter and discuss it. I will arrange to have the right hon. Prime Minister here and it would probably be better to take it up on going into supply.


Robert Laird Borden: Probably it would be better to have it- in committee as there might be some question to be asked and it would be less embarrassing.


Samuel Hughes: Is it the intention of the government or the hon. Minister of Justice to appoint another judge in the Exchequer Court ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: That question has been discussed and I must confess I thought it necessary at times to make such an appointment but there is no intention of doing it at the present time.


Samuel Hughes: Then there is no member sitting in this House with the appointment in his pocket ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: He may have the appointment but it has not come from me.
Administration of Justice-Yukon Territory, travelling allowance for judges, $1,500.


Samuel Hughes: What allowance for travelling expenses do they require ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: The two places at which they sit that I know of are Dawson and Whitehorse. I may say that while we have voted this sum for three years none of it has ever been used.
Living allowance of sheriff, deputy sheriff, clerk of court, assistant clerks, police magistrate and stenographers of territorial court-at $1,800 each, $14,400.


George Taylor: I would like to ask the hon. minister if Mr. Eilbeclc is yet in the Yukon Territory ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes.


George Taylor: And you are giving him a living allowance in addition to his salary ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: His salary is $4,000 a year and his living allowance $1,800. That is the same living allowance as is paid to all the officials in the Yukon with the exception of the judges who receive $5,000 and the librarian and caretaker who receive each $1,200.


Edward Cochrane: Would it not be better to give them a salary and allow them to live on their salary ? I do not believe in that way of paying officials at all. There is no inducement for them to be economical or to show any respect for the amount of money that you give them. I believe in giving them a proper salary and allowing them to live on their salary.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I think this whole question of living allowance to officials in the Yukon will require to be reconsidered at a very early date but it would be very hard for the Department of Justice to discriminate as against our officials when the officials of other departments are paid living allowances. It is rather a curious anomaly that the officials of other departments who go to Manitoba, the Northwest, the Yukon and British Columbia, are allowed in addition to their salaries certain amounts over and above for living allowances, but the unfortunate judges who happen to be assigned to the courts there are paid actually less salary than they are paid in the eastern provinces.


George William Fowler: It is unfortunate but a great many men are very willing to take these positions.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The best are not chasing after them.


George William Fowler: I understand that the cost of living in the Yukon is not so very much greater than it is in British Columbia. It does seem to me that $5,000 in addition to the salary of a judge is an exceedingly large amount. Not only that, but we make a living allowance of $1,800 a year to the sheriff, deputy sheriff, clerk of court, assistant clerks, police magistrate and stenographers of the territorial court who in addition receive salaries equal to if not greater than those which they would receive if they were occupying the same positions in the eastern provinces.


Charles Fitzpatrick: No.


George William Fowler: At least equal.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The sheriff probably gets more than he would receive east but not the rest.


George William Fowler: It seems to me that it is about time that kind of thing was stopped.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I agree.


Edward Cochrane: Do I understand the hon. minister to say that the best men are not looking for these positions ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I did not say that but I did say that they were not made very attractive just now.


Samuel Hughes: Will the hon. minister explain if the judges or officials of his department are on the territorial council and if so, what are their functions ? Are the ordinances of the council laid before this parliament ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I think so. I know we receive them. Judge Dugas is on the council but I cannot tell about the others. I think there are six nominative and six elective, or five nominative and five elective members but I do not just remember at the present moment.


Samuel Hughes: That territory is governed and all the record we have of it practically is the voting of the salaries for these officials. There may be records but they have not attracted my attention. Have we any record of the internal rules, regulations and laws that are enforced In the Yukon to-day ? These should be prepared and submitted to parliament at the very earliest date.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I will have to look at the Yukon Territory Act which we passed a couple of years ago before I can answer that question. The Act provides for the way in which these ordinances shall be disposed of. I know they come to the department but what is done with them aftar that I do not know.


George William Fowler: The stenographers are paid salaries greatly in excess of what similar officers in the east receive.


Charles Fitzpatrick: They get $2,000 a year.


George William Fowler: The court stenographers in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia do not get any such salaries, and I doubt if they do in Ontario. In addition to the $2,000 you give the Yukon stenographers $1,800 living allowance.


Charles Fitzpatrick: In Quebec the stenographers are paid by fees, and these fees are such as to enable them to earn very much more than $2,000 a year. The work of a stenographer is very hard work indeed. A man who is obliged to attend in court all day and do this work earns every dollar he gets, and I can quite appreciate that $2,000 for a really good stenographer- there are two of them up there

is not too much.


Samuel Hughes: It is not too much if they are good men.


George William Fowler: That all depends upon the amount of labour they perform, and the frequency of the court sittings. It may be that the work of these stenographers is very light indeed, and it need not follow that they must be of the expert class.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I do not know Mr. Craig, but I do know Mr. Yaliquette ; he is an Irishman with a French name which reverses the usual order and he is expert in both English and French.


Edward Frederick Clarke: He ought to be paid double then.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The police court stenographer only receives $1,200.


George William Fowler: I am not objecting to the $2,000, but I do object to the living allowance of $1,800 which brings the salary up to $3,800 a year. We have official reporters in this House who perform duties very much more onerous than the gentlemen in the courts in the Yukon, and our reporters get just the same salary of $2,000, and as I understand they have to pay their own living allowance.


Mr. LANCASTER.: I would like to suggest to the Minister of Justice the propriety of having both the stenographers and the sheriff paid by fees.
At these salaries, these men are probably getting from $50 to $75 a day for every day they work. The stenographers cannot be working in court all the time, and I think it would be better to compensate them by fees which of course considering the conditions in the Yukon might be higher than they are in the east; I do not think we should pay them $3,800 a year, for perhaps not working a quarter of the year. I would draw the attention of the minister to the fact that the Yukon judges are getting in living allowance and salary, twice what the judges get in Ontario. The Yukon jud-Mr. FITZPATRICK.
ges get $5,000 salary and $5,000 living allowance. Living is pretty expensive now in Ontario, as the government points out when they propose to increase the salaries of civil servants. The judges of the High Court in Ontario get $5,000 salary and they have to live on that. I would assume that the Ontario judges are at least equally as competent jurists as the judges in the Yukon. It would be better in my opinion to give the Yukon judges a salary and let them live economically, or extravagantly as they think fit. It would be a more businesslike way of dealing with the matter. I would not be penurious ; I would give them a good salary, but I do not believe in giving half of the stipend in the name of salary and the other half as living allowance: It would indicate that he is supposed to save his salary and live on the allowance. In Ontario a stenographer gets $5 a day when he sits in court and so much per folio for the evidence transcribed, and they manage to make a pretty good income out of it, but they earn all they get and they are busy most of the time. It would be more satisfactory, I think, if the stenographers were paid by fees.


Charles Fitzpatrick: If this question of living allowance is to be reconsidered I would like to have it reconsidered in a general way in regard to all the departments, and not to have my department singled out especially. I had an idea at the time the Yukon judges were appointed, that it was not proper to give them this living allowance, but the difficulty arose that if we paid a judge in the Yukon a higher salary than his brother judge elsewhere, and if we wanted to transfer him to another part of the country, he would be sitting side by side with another judge who had far *less salary, but who would be performing the same duty. The same difficulty would arise on the retirement of a Yukon judge. I certainly am not of opinion that exorbitant salaries should be paid ; the salaries are large enough already ; they are quite generous. Remember that I am now speaking of the Yukon and not of other parts of the country, because so far as other parts of Canada are concerned I wish to make it quite clear, speaking for myself, that in my opinion the whole question of judicial salaries requires consideration at the earliest possible moment. 1


Some hon. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.


George William Fowler: Would not the salary attach to the office and not to the man ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: It is attached to I he man. We pass a statute providing for the appointment of a judge, and in the same statute we provided for the salary, so that he that takes the position takes the salary.


George William Fowler: Even if he were sent somewhere else ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes, that is the difficulty.


George William Fowler: Do any of these officials get fees in addition to their salaries ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes, the Crown prosecutor is paid by fees.


George Taylor: What about the sheriff ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: The sheriff gets his salary, I am opposed to the system of fees to sheriffs and clerks of the court. I believe, generally speaking, that the fees should go into the public exchequer, and that the man should get his salary. Otherwise, especially when they are far away from control, you could not tell what might happen.


George William Fowler: I agree with that.


George Taylor: I hope the Minister of Justice will give instructions that the sheriff of the Yukon will confine his electioneering to the Yukon territory in the coming elections, and that he won't send him down to Ontario.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I never did. I do not approve of it in any manner, shape or form.


George Taylor: Then we will take for granted that he will stay at home this time.
Yukon Territory-law books, &c., and freight thereon, for the use of the bench and bar, and stationery, and freight thereon, for use of courts, $2,500.


Charles Fitzpatrick: So far as I am concerned, this is the last year provision will be made for the library up there. It must be far enough advanced now for them to maintain their own library.
Yukon Territory-miscellaneous expenditure, .including fees and expenses of Crown prosecutor, salary and living allowance of stenographer of police court and other officials or employees connected with the administration of justice, coroners' inquests, &c., &c., $25,000.


Charles Fitzpatrick: We spent last year $19,480.64.


George William Fowler: Why are you taking the whole vote this year ?
Mr.	FITZPATRICK.	They	make	very
good use of the money.
Dominion police, $32,000.
Mr.	CLARKE. Have these	men	been
given any increase in their salaries ?
Mr.	FITZPATRICK.	There	have	been
two increases since 1896 ; but there has been no increase, I think, since 1901.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Was any requisition sent to the hon. gentleman ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: The question of increase was considered, and it was thought proper to lay the matter over for the present, so that the government might have an opportunity of considering the advisability of increasing the pay of the Northwest Mount ed Police and that of the Dominion Police at the same time.


Edward Frederick Clarke: What pay does a constable in the Dominion Police receive now ? They are a very fine body of men.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I think they get from $1.50 to $1.90. I think $2.10 is paid to inspectors.


Edward Frederick Clarke: That is a pretty small wage considering the cost of living in the capital. I think the minister might reasonably give some small increase to these men. The constables in most of the towns of Ontario get more than that.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I think after three years they get $1.90. I can say, as the official head of the department, that these men are admirably well qualified, and they deserve every possible consideration. They are certainly as fine a body of men as we can possibly have. I may say that no department of the government is administered with less friction and gives the minister less trouble than the Dominion Police.


Edward Frederick Clarke: The best expression of the appreciation of the minister would be a slight increase in the salaries of these men.
Kingston Penitentiary, $177,600.


George Taylor: Last year the Minister ot Justice stated, in reference to the chaplain of Kingston penitentiary, that he purposed making an arrangement by which each denomination should,take week or month about to fill the position, which was then vacant. Has that been carried out ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: That was said when the Bill for the amendment of the Penitentiaries Act was up last year. My hon. friend will remember that the Bill was dropped. That appeared to be the unanimous desire of the House, so far. as I could gather at the time.


George Taylor: What action was taken ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: The Bill was dropped and nothing was done. The old order of things was allowed to continue.


George Taylor: I have a letter from a clergyman in Kingston, which reads as follows :
Permit me to report to you as a member of parliament what quite a few in these parts regard as a high-handed way of making government appointments. In a few brief words permit me to state the case. The Rev. Cartwright, brother of Sir Richard, and an Episcopalian, has been chaplain in the penitentiary for twenty-five years. Lately he decided to resign. His resignation was accepted and Rev. Cooke, an Episcopalian, was installed as chaplain without any person knowing anything about the change. One of the executive told me to-day that as an executive they knew nothing about the change until they saw it published in the city papers. Now, what many of us object to is this stealthy way of filling important government positions of this character without giving other denominations any opportunity of having a represen-

tative apply tor the position. I will be glad if you can do anything which will open the whole case so that th.e appointment can be made in the light of day and not inside prison walls.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Would my hon. friend pardon me if I ask him to explain the word ' executive ' in that letter ? I do not understand what that means.


George Taylor: Neither do I.


Edward Frederick Clarke: That would be the local executive of the Liberal party.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I allow politics to run a great many things, but I do not allow it to run religious matters.


George Taylor: The minister has not carried out the arrangement he spoke of last year, but, on the recommendation of the executive committee of the Liberal party in Kingston, this gentleman was appointed at once.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I think my hon friend is quite wrong. The statement in the letter he read was to the effect that the executive had not been consulted in regard to the appointment.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Was any recommendation received as to the minister appointed ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: The only person I would consult as to the appointment of a chaplain belonging to the Episcopal Church would be the bishop.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Was any recommendation received from anybody else ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I do not remember.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Who recommended the appointment ? Was the recommendation received from the executive of the Liberal party ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Certainly not, 1 would not consult them in such a matter.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Was he appointed on the recommendation of the bishop ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I cannot say, but if I consulted anybody, he would be the only one.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Then there was no one consulted ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Not that I can recollect.


Edward Frederick Clarke: There wore some recommendations, however, received by the' department?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I have no recollection of any.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Would it be possible to ascertain from the tiles of the department from whom the recommendations came ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I will see.


George Taylor: 


Edward Frederick Clarke: And we will have an opportunity of discussing the matter later ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: If this were a question of the appointment of a Roman Catholic chaplain, I should not like to discuss the question of recommendations. I would rely absolutely and exclusively on the question of fitness. I do not like, so far as the appointment of a chaplain is concerned, to discuss the question of recommendations.


Edward Frederick Clarke: That is just the reason why I ask the minister to bring uown all the communications with his department with respect to the appointment of this gentleman to the position of chaplain.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I will consider that.


Edward Frederick Clarke: I understand the hon. gentleman to agree to do that.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I will consider it. I would not like to establish the precedent.


Edward Frederick Clarke: If the position which the minister takes is a sound one, if he would not consider any recommendations made, there can be no objection to his bringing tnese down, so that rve may see what recommendations were made and who made them.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The particular point I made, and it is quite apparent to anybody, is that the executive of the Liberal party was not consulted. So far as I am concerned, I would not consult it in a matter of that description.


George William Fowler: WThat is the rule in the case of Protestant chaplains ? Are they confined to any particular denomination ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: No. At New Westminster the chaplain is a Presbyterian. In Manitoba he is a Methodist and at Kingston, St. Vincent de Paul and Dorchester, the Protestant chaplains are Anglican.


Samuel Hughes: What about the Salvation Army ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: You can leave them, to me. They do the work outside the gates and do it very effectively. I have an item in the estimates for them.


Edward Frederick Clarke: I understand the minister to say that this appointment was not made on the recommendations or the Lord Bishop of Kingston.


Charles Fitzpatrick: If I were appointing a Roman Catholic chaplain. I would make the appointment on the recommendation of the Archbishop. In the case of the Reverend Mr. Cook, I cannot recollect whether or not he was appointed on the recommendation of his bishop, but I have grave doubts about it. The only man I would consult in the case of that kind, and the only one I think, would be entitled to be consult-

etl would be the ecclesiastical superior of the chaplain.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Was he consulted ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I cannot say.


George Taylor: It would be better if the Minister of Justice would carry out the statement he made last year with reference to the Protestant chaplains. He said that all denominations should have a representative. At Kingston there is a Roman Catholic and there is also a Presbyterian. I have no objection to that, but the other denominations should be represented.


Wilfrid Laurier: Perhaps they are not represented in the penitentiaries.


George Taylor: The minister said last year that he would let a Presbyterian take one month, a Methodist another, an Anglican another, and so on.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Are you sure 1 made that statement ? Of course I will take my hon. friend's word for it.


George Taylor: I am sure that was the statement made. If the hon. minister will look up ' Hansard ' he will find it there.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The law provides for one Catholic and one Protestant chaplain.
Dorchester penitentiary, $59,700.


George William Fowler: What is the cause of the increase in the Dorchester Penitentiary?


Charles Fitzpatrick: It is due to lands, building and equipment. We had nothing but an ordinary board fence around the institution, and we bought some land and; are putting the whole establishment on a par with the other penitentiaries.


Samuel Hughes: Is this the penitentiary of which that gentleman is warden v ho took part in the Guysborough elections ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: He denied that. Ar soon as I learned of the report, I wrote to the inspector and the charge was denied.


George William Fowler: Did he deny that he was in Guysborough ?	.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The report as to Warden Craig is that he was in Guysborough, but denied that he had anything to do with the election beyond voting. We will take up the second item in the supplementary estimates for the year ending June 30, 1905, I will give my explanations on the items in that vote, and we can then keep it open for the express purpose of discussing the question of the judges' salaries.
Civil government-Department of Justice- to provide for an additional 2nd class clerkship, $1,200.
llr. FITZPATRICK. Two years ago, 1 allowed one 2nd class clerkship to drop. It had been held by Mr. Blackadar. I wish to recreate that clerkship intending to appoint Miss Armstrong, who has been for many years in the department and who is a very competent person. [DOT]
To increase the salary of R. R. Creighton, notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act, $200.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Mr. Creighto1!! was accountant of the Kingston penitentiary. A few years ago I transferred the book-keeping of the penitentiary to this department here and brought Mr. Creighton to Ottawa. He has proved such an efficient man that I wish to increase his salary $200.
To increase the salary of T. J. Morris, not-siu01Standi"S anyt'*ling in the Civil Service Act,


Charles Fitzpatrick: Mr. Morris is a lawyer's clerk whom we have in the department. He is engaged in connection with the filing of records. He is getting $600. which is a very small salary, and I want to increase it to $700. These three items make up the second vote in the supplementary estimates, and we will allow it to remain with these explanations, in case the leader of the opposition (Mr. R. L. Borden) wishes to bring up the question of the judges' salaries.
Administration of justice-penitentiaries generally-to pay expenses in connection with supervision of paroled and discharged convicts, $2,000.


Charles Fitzpatrick: This is a new departure for which I ask the approval of the House. In connection with the paroled conI victs we find that a great number fall away to their old habits because they cannot get employment or assistance. This is an item put in.at the suggestion of Superintendent Archibald, of the Salvation Army, who has done an immense amount of good in connection with the prison-gate work of the Salvation Army. The Army has a certain number of people who attend at the prison gate-they know when men are to be released, being kept informed when they inquire by the Department of Justice-and they take hold of these men, find them employment, help them along and encourage them. If a man, for instance, is a mechanic, and needs tools, or something of that kind, the intention is that Superintendent Archibald may be able to take out of this fund such an amount as is necessary to help the chap along. I find that it is absolutely necessary to give a man a chance, if he has happened to fall into trouble and the best way when he gets out of gaol, is for society not to turn its back upon him.


Some hon. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.


Uriah Wilson: I thoroughly endorse what the minister has said and am very glad that he has this vote in the estimates. There are none more worthy of assistance and none

Unit are doing better work for the poorer *classes than the Salvation Army. I think the minister will remember that last session we had a little talk about it. I think that all parties in this House and out of it will endorse the passing of this vote.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The Inspector draws my attention to the fact that, perhaps, under the item as it appears in the 'estimates we may not be able to do all we want. He suggests, therefore, that it should be amended so that we may be able to buy a kit for a discharged convict or anything of that kind. I would move that it be amended to read, ' travelling expenses and aid to discharged convicts. ' That will make it absolutely clear.


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Samuel Hughes: Why not say that this is for the Salvation Army ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: 'No, I always mean what I say, and I think that here I have said what I mean. This vote is put in at the request of Mr. Archibald, I want, if I can- I am not sure I. shall be able to do it-to appoint an officer who will receive a salary to do this work. I tried to get Superintendent Archibald, but the Salvation Army would not let him go.


Uriah Wilson: Will the new officer be a Salvation Army man ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: That is my inclination.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The minister keeps a register of those who are on parole and how they turn out afterwards ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes. It may be of interest to the committee to know that there are eight men who are discharged convicts from the penitentiary-I will not say where they are, but the facts are given me by Superintendent Archibald-who have been placed by him in important positiohs of trust. One of them has held his position for five years. The employer knows that he is a discharged convict, but no one else knows it. Not one of these men has fallen away.


Some hon. MEMBERS: Hear, hear.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Can the hon. minister give us the returns of those who have been paroled and who have broken their parole ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: The hon. gentleman will find that in my report. I will look it up in a moment.


Uriah Wilson: Did the minister agree [DOT]on this amount with the Salvation Army ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes.


Mr LOGAN.: I am glad to see this item in the estimates. The only reason I wish to speak about it is that I wish to say a word about Superintendent Archibald. If the minister can secure his services, he will Mr. WILSON.
have the best man in all Canada for this work. I have had the advantage and privilege of knowing Superintendent Archibald from boyhood. He is a splendid specimen of manhood and, as I say, the best man the minister could have for carrying on this work.


George William Fowler: I understood that the minister was looking up the percentage of lapses among paroled prisoners.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The inspector tells me the percentage is about five. I might give the particulars of these because there is an erroneous impression as to the number. The number liberated for instance from the time the Act was put in force was as follows :
Year.	Number.
1899-00	 71
1900-	1	
1221901-	2	
1571902-	3	
113
Nine per cent of the total prison population were paroled, and of these about five per cent returned. I find the parole system operates admirably, and if I were connected with this work for any great number of years I would adopt the Swiss system in reference to the sentence, the indeterminate sentence so that a man in jail would feel that on his own good conduct would depend the time of his release.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I am glad to hear this is turning out so well. I know that the hon. gentleman's predecessor Mr. Mills was much in favour of it and I thought he was right, but I have seen some adverse criticisms of the system since that, indicating that if the system was not being abused, it was at any rate not turning out as great a success as was anticipated. I think myself the system is a good one.


Samuel Hughes: The minister speaks of the inspectors. How many inspectors of penitentiaries are there at present ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: There are two.


Samuel Hughes: In what position is Mr. Stewart ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: He remains an inspector. He is the senior inspector but remains in the department constantly at my disposal. The other is Mr. Dawson. I may say that the appointment of an additional inspector was absolutely necessary. Previous to the appointment of Mr. Dawson the penitentiary of British Columbia had not been inspected for three years.


Samuel Hughes: You have a good man there.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes, a good man, perfectly reliable in every way. I think the result of the administration shows-of course I cannot claim any credit for it-

that the inspectors are competent men and are doing the work well.
Administration of Justice, miscellaneous (further supplementaries), $26,000,


Charles Fitzpatrick: I gave some explanation of this on the item in the main estimates for miscellaneous expenditure, $45,000.
This is an increase of $3,000 over the main estimates for the year 1903-4. The still expanding business of the Northwest Territories necessitates an increased expenditure. The amount expended in 1902-3 was $42,018.58 but a number of accounts had to be carried on to the next year because the appropriation was insufficient. The expenditure in 1901-2 was $42,909.42. The services which show the largest increase of late years are the cost of maintenance of prisoners and the amount of jury and witness fees in criminal trials. We are asking a supplementary vote of $20,000 making $65,000 altogether.
For 1904-5 this vote is estimated to be spent about as follows :
IN NORTHWEST TERRITORIES. Maintenance of prisoners at police
posts at 60 cents per diem for each
prisoner	$26,000
Transport of prisoners	 6,000
Crown prosecutors, legal services and
expenses	 8,000
Jury and witness fees	 15,000
Coroner's inquests	  2,500
Sheriff's fees	 1,500
Clerks of court, fees	 1,500


ELSEWHERE.
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Extradition expenses	   2,000
Copies and translation of evidence ..	500
Sundries	 2,500
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Penitentiaries-
Manitoba	penitentiary,	additionalamount	required	
$6,000Dorchester	penitentiary,	additionalamount	required	
1,000Regina jail, additional amount required	
500
Charles Fitzpatrick: The explanation is:
Manitoba-to pay cost of transfer of 32 prisoners to St. Vincent de Paul, $1,500 ; cost of brick-making plant and necessary buildings, $2,500 ; maintenance of convict population above that estimated $1,000. The population was estimated at 130, but notwithstanding the transfer of 32 prisoners, it is 155 now. This abnormal increase has necessitated additional accommodation, and the brick plant has been installed to facilitate construction. The mason instructor was compelled to retire on account of ill-health, and necessitated payment of a gratuity of $1,300.
Dorchester-the appropriation for 1902-3 was short and one-half the staff pay-list for June, 1903, was paid from the appropriation for the current year. This vote is to provide for that charge.
Regina-the population has been about 20 per cent in excess of the normal. A new
water service has been installed that will result in greater economy hereafter, but in the meantime the capital cost has incurred additional expenditure.


Uriah Wilson: Is this brick plant in Manitoba bought to manufacture the brick you want for your own use ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes. There are two things to be borne in mind in a prison expenditure of this kind. First, you have to provide employment for the inmates, and second, to utilize the product after manufacture. We have to add a wing to the building and the brick will he utilized in that way. We have also to build a fence or wall around it and we find that it will be cheaper to buy and install a plant at the cost of $2,500. You must remember that as it is very much cheaper to manufacture your bricks in Manitoba than to buy them in the market. I am told that in Manitoba brick costs $12 a thousand delivered at the penitentiary. It can be manufactured for very much less than that.


Samuel Hughes: I would ask the hon minister to be good enough to direct his inspector's attention to the fact that tho new process of brick making largely utilizes cement, and that there is a very excellent cement works in Manitoba. I think he will find it of advantage when employing this machine to utilize cement in making brick.
Consolidation of Dominion statutes which may be paid, notwithstanding anything contained in the Civil Service Act or in the Act respecting the Department of Public Printing and Stationery, $20,000.


George William Fowler: I wish to ask the hon. minister when the consolidation of the statutes will be completed, what it will cost, and why there has been so great a delay ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: There has not been any very great delay in the statute revision. The appointment of the commissioners were made only a little over a year ago, and the result is that the statute revision is now practically completed, with the exception of the following public Acts : Criminal Code. Interpretation, Dominion Notes, Militia (which we are now considering), Northwest Mounted Police, Provincial Subsidies, Statistics, Reformatories, Dominion Police, Bills of Exchange, Banks and Banking, Insurance, Evidence, Extradition and Fugitive Offenders' Acts. All the rest are done. There is no reason why we should not be able to get through with the revision of the statutes within a reasonable time, probably within the next three or four months. The commissioners are :	Sir Henry Strong, chairman : Mr. E. L. Newcombe, Deputy Minister of Justice : Mr. Aug. Power, chief clerk, Department of Justice : Mr. E, R. Cameron, Registrar of the Supreme Court ; Mr. Henry Robertson, of Coliingwood ; Mr. Thomas B. Metcalfe. Winnipeg : Mr. W. E. Roscoe, Kentville; and Mr. L. P. Sirois, Quebec.

The expenditure up to the present time for printing, stationery, salaries of commissioners and salaries of clerks is $33,146.


Uriah Wilson: What will the total cost be ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: The total cost ought to he, although this does not provide for the final printing, in the neighbourhood of $40,000. The last revision in 1886 cost $46,049. I imagine we ought to remain within that figure.


George William Fowler: Do you include the printing in the $46,000 ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: No. The salaries in 1886 amounted to $46,049.


Uriah Wilson: Do the gentlemen in the department get special pay for this ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: They get some pay.


Uriah Wilson: Do they not get as much as the others ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: No.


Uriah Wilson: Explain why, and what they do. .


Charles Fitzpatrick: I will explain, in the first instance, the reason why we are employing these permanent officials. The Deputy Minister of Justice is constantly advising in respect to the construction of these statutes, he is an expert draughtsman, he is absolutely expert in the art of drafting, and he has enormous experience in so far as the statutes in respect to the different departments are concerned. I have handed over all these statutes to him.


Mr. GOURLEY.: What kind of a man is Mr. Power ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Mr. Power has been in the department since 1871. He is one of the oldest officials in the department. He is a gentleman who is connected with the consideration of appeals in respect to criminal matters. They are dealt with by him. He is also a very competent draughtsman, is a member of the bar of Quebec, has a very good knowledge of French, and is of very great assistance in the revision of the statutes.


Uriah Wilson: A pretty old man.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Men, like wine, improve with age. Mr. Newcombe gets $1,500 and Mr. Power gets $1,000, the intention being that they should give their own time after office hours to this work.


George William Fowler: How much do commis sioners like Mr. Robertson, for instance, get ?	.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The salaries of these gentlemen have not been fixed, because my intention was to make some sort of a distribution, so far as they were concerned, in | proportion to the amount of work done, and Mr. FITZPATRICK.
I will make my intention clear when I explain how they proceed. Each man takes home with him a certain number of statutes, does the work, after which the commissioners meet. There have been three meetings up to the present time in Ottawa. At these meetings each man's work is revised by some other members of the commission, and then there is a sub-committee composed of Mr. Newcombe, Mr. Roscoe and Mr. Sirols, who take the work of the general commission and give a finishing touch to it, and I accept the work of this sub-committee as the final revision. I am one of those who believe that there is not always wisdom in numbers in so far as the drafting of statutes is concerned, and I think that by leaving the matter in the hands of a sub-committee we will probably have the matter disposed of more satisfactorily, and in the end we shall have better work. A clear understanding was arrived at with the commissioners that . roue of them is to receive over $4,000.


George William Fowler: How much does Sir Henry Strong get ?	.


Charles Fitzpatrick: He gets $3,500. i will give the amounts that have been paid to each: Mr. Newcombe, $2,000; Mr. Power. $1,700 ; Mr. Cameron, $1,700 ; Mr. Robertson, $1,600 ; Mr. Metcalfe, $1,600 ; Mr. Ros coe, $3,200 ; Mr. Sirois, $2,100.


George William Fowler: They are to receive the sum of $4,000 as the total amount ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes, as the tota: amount.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: After the last revision I think one or two copies of the statutes were supplied to each member of the House.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Each member ought to be entitled to three copies.


Seymour Eugene Gourley: I do not understand fhe functions of the Printing Bureau.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Well, do not ask me to explain them. I am never able to get anything done there.


Seymour Eugene Gourley: Are these statutes printed in the Printing Bureau ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes ; they have to be done there.
Expenses of litigated matters which may be paid for services in connection with the litigation conducted within the Department or Justice, notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act, $15,000.


Edward Arthur Lancaster: How much was spent of this last year ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Somewhere in the vicinity of $12,000.


Edward Arthur Lancaster: Is it counsel fees principally ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes. As a result of the change that has taken place since the

deputy minister has undertaken to look after litigated matters, 1 may mention that while for instance in 1897 the cost amounted to $101,000, last year we decreased them to $72,000. In the amount paid to lawyers in the city of Ottawa it is now down to $5,000 lrom $16,000 to $19,000 previously. I say this to the credit of the officers of the Justice Department, and not for any other purpose.


Edward Arthur Lancaster: Where was the rest of it spent ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: All over the Dominion. When a lawyer is employed in my department as a rule the department pairs, but at times there are payments for opinions taken by the Department of Justice itself and they come out of the $15,000.


George William Fowler: What rule guides you as to the payment of counsel fees ? Is it the rule of thumb ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Mr. Gisborne is the taxing officer of the department. He . has been there for a great number of years, and he is almost like the man who sleeps with a gun between his arms.


Samuel Hughes: Like Alexander Mackenzie.


Wilfrid Laurier: And he got no thanks for it either.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: As far as the smallness of the fees go it is dog eat dog.


Seymour Eugene Gourley: I had a lot of experience with Mr. Gisborne and he allows about half what an ordinary taxing master in the province would. It is very seldom that I have a grievance, but I have a grievance now, and it is the grievance of some [DOT] Liberals in my county more than my own. I and some Liberal lawyers filed six or eight petitions of right in connection with the Belmont accident on the Intercolonial Railway. We desired not to raise the question of negligence. I' agreed with my learned friend, Mr Mackenzie and other Liberal lawyers well known to the Prime Minister who were engaged in this suit, to have petitions of right tiled. There were cases of great hardship in this Belmont accident. My learned friend Mr. Mackenzie, a very eminent Liberal in the constituency and n very good man, filed a petition in one case of great hardship. I may mention that Mr. Mackenzie frequently praises Sir Wilfrid Laurier all through the constituency, and his praises of Sir Wilfrid Laurier is the greatest difficulty I met with in getting certain electors to vote for me. This good Liberal, Mr. Mackenzie, joined with me in saying that these Belmont claims should be settled in some way by the government without litigation. The claimants are mostly widows with large families, whose husbands were killed in the accident. These petitions of right were filed with the Minis
ter of Justice some months ago, and they were referred to the Railway Department, but since then we have heardnothing of them. I had a letter from Mr. Mackenzie asking me to get Mr. Sinclair and other Liberal members to call upon the minister, and ask him if he would not agree to give those people a reasonable indemnity without sending them to the Exchequer Court. That indemnity could be included in the estimates of this year and the claimants paid. Several of these cases are of particular hardship. I told Mr. Mackenzie that he should write to Mr. Laurier about the case in which he is interested-
An lion. MEMBER. Sir Wilfrid Laurier.


Seymour Eugene Gourley: I beg pardon ; it makes no difference with a democrat up to the hilt.
Som hon. MEMBERS. Hear. hear.


Seymour Eugene Gourley: In the case in which Mr. Mackenzie is interested a man named Wall who had a family of six children, was killed, and the whole of his family are now depending on their friends. I would ask. Mr. Emmerson, the Minister of Justice to treat these people generously, and to place some reasonable compensation for them in the estimates. They are poor people ; too poor to take their cases to court unless the government dispenses some measure of generosity, it means an absolute denial of justice to the sufferers.


Charles Fitzpatrick: When these applications are made to the Department of Justice we have absolutely no power to dispose of them until such time as the department interested is heard from. I act merely as the legal adviser of each department, and therefore it is for the Railway Department to consider as to whether or not they would test the suit or settle. If my hon. friend (Mr. Gourley) will be good enough to call around to see me to-morrow morning we might take the matter up and after we have had a discussion together, I may be able to make representations in the proper quarter, and try to come to a settlement.


Seymour Eugene Gourley: I shall be glad to. I thank the Minister of Justice.


George William Fowler: Sometimes great injustice is done in the Railway Department in connection with these accidents on the Intercolonial Railway. At Norton an old lady and her daughter coming from early church, were driving, in a closed buggy across the track, and as trains do not usually run in our province on Sunday, they were I not expecting a train to come along and I they were instantly killed. The Railway I Department reported there was no liability , and they did not seem to think there was even any moral claim. These people were , too poor to go to law, and the result is that justice is denied them.

To pay claims for losses of property destroyed by fire rendered necessary to secure the recapture without loss of life, of escaped convict, Ernest Cashel ffm. Pitman, jr., $675 ; G. H. Pitman, $100 ; Thos. Emery, $50 ; A. B. Choate, $25-$850.


Wilfrid Laurier: The explanation of this appropriation is ns follows : There was a convict of the name of Ernest Cashel under sentence of death in the guard room at Calgary. On the 10th of December he escaped. Somebody had furnished him with revolvers, and he overpowered the guard. He was immediately followed by the police, but he was not captured until the 24th of January. During that period so close was the pursuit that he did not get more than twelve or fifteen miles from Calgary. After a chase of more than thirty days, he was located at a certain point. On a*Sunday morning he was found by the police hiding in a hillock. When he saw the police, he took refuge in the cellar of a log cabin belonging Jo one Pitman, and commenced firing on the police. In order to save life, the police got the permission ot Pitman to set fire to the building and smoke him out, which they did, and he had to come out and surrender. This vote is to compensate Pitman and those who were with him for the losses they sustained- Pitman himself as the owner of the property, and his relatives, one named Emery and one named Choate. Pitman lost his house and the others their clothing and other property. They asked for compensation to the amount of $1,450. The claim was referred to the mounted police and the Crown prosecutor at Calgary, and this settlement was agreed upon.


George William Fowler: Are the constables who were overpowered by this man still in the force ?


Wilfrid Laurier: No. There were three men, who, I am sorry to say, were guilty of something very unusual. They allowed themselves to be bulldozed by this man and covered, who covered them with his revolver. They have all been dismissed from the service, and two of them are in jail for some technical offence.


George William Fowler: Were they suspected of a desire to assist Cashel to escape ?


Wilfrid Laurier: No, I think not. I think the escape was the result of loose discipline on the part of one of the officers, who has been reprimanded for it. He is a very good officer, and I would not like to mention his name. But the best of men will sometimes make a mistake, and he did not pay sufficient attention to a warning which had been given to him that Cashel had communication with people outside. Instead of taking the precaution to have a sufficient guard put over him, he disregarded the warning.


George William Fowler: 


Samuel Hughes: Why, then, punish the three constables who never heard of this warning ?


Wilfrid Laurier: Because the constables were guilty of cowardice.


Samuel Hughes: That is all very fine, when perhaps the constables were standing in the corridor unarmed. It seems that the officer was warned, and yet did not warn his men.


Wilfrid Laurier: No. The superintendent was warned by two of the inspectors that they had reason to suspect that there were communications with Cashel from the outside ; and there were, because he had two revolvers in his possession. But when Cashel chose his moment, there were three officers in the guard-room. It was their duty to be on guard, and. even if unarmed, not to surrender, but to risk their lives.' They were guilty of such conduct as I think, for the honour of the force, which is above reproach, should not be tolerated.
To pay amount of reward offered for the recapture of escaped convict, Ernest Cashel, $1,000.


Wilfrid Laurier: This explains itself. We offered a reward of $1,000 for such information as would lead to the recapture of Cashel.


Samuel Hughes: Who gets the reward?


Wilfrid Laurier: It has not been decided yet. There are several claimants.


Samuel Hughes: The newspaper reports showed that there were a number of ranchers in the locality who rendered very valuable services to the police force.


Wilfrid Laurier: So there were.
To compensate members of the Northwest mounted police for injuries sustained while i in the performance of duty, $1,500.


Wilfrid Laurier: This requires some explanation. To the men who suffer from accidents in the service such as loss of limbs or wounds, if they are disabled in any way, we give pensions varying from sixteen cents to sixty cents a day. At the present time we have nineteen beneficiaries, and the amount we paid last year in that connection was $1,923.55. Sometimes it happens that a man is disabled in early life, and instead of receiving the pension he makes application for a lump sum. For instance, there is a man thirty-three years of age who receives a pension of thirty cents a day, having received an injury to ihis foot. He has asked to have his pension commuted to a cash sum of $800. The controller of the mounted police submitted a case based on this man's age to the super-

intendent of insurance, who replied that, upon the British mortality tables and at 34 per cent interest, the commuted value of the pension would be $1,540. The man is willing to take a lump sum of $800. It is to deal w'ith such cases that we take this appropriation.


George William Fowler: If the man is entitled to $1,500, 1 do not think you should cut him off with $800.


Wilfrid Laurier: The man has asked for $800, and we are willing to give him that, provided it is within the commutation tables.


George William Fowler: The present value of the pension, reduced to capital, is $1,500. We have sometimes to legislate to protect men igainst themselves, and if this man has suffered such an injury as to entitle him to $1,500, he should be paid that much even though he is willing to take less. You should not take advantage of him.


Wilfrid Laurier: We are not taking advantage of the man. He is able to look after his own business, and he offers o take a cash sum of $800. Therefore we think we should give him that, and no more.


Samuel Hughes: I would again draw the First Minister's attention to the fact that the mounted police who did duty in he Northwest in 1885, have never received my recognition in the way of land scrip, as other officers and men did. t is not too late yet, and I am satisfied that he right hon. the First Minister will only lo himself and the splendid force of which ic has the honour to be the head simple ustice in giving these men the same recog-dtion as was given alll the others in the northwest, namely, 160 acres of land.
Sir WILFRip LAURIER. This takes us >ack to 1885. After the rebellion the gov-rn-ment of the late Sir John Macdonald, vhich was then in office, considered the case if the volunteers and the mounted police, nd decided to give scrip to the volunteers nd not to the mounted police. The reason hey made this discrimination was that the olunteers were men who left their civil vocations to serve their country, and the [DOT]overnment of that day thought it only pro-ier that they should have a -special reward, vhereas the mounted police were profes-ional soldiers, whose engagement it was to erve their country whenever called upon, nd who, consequently, were only carrying ut their ordinary avocation when they went o the front. Whether or not it would be dvisable now to reverse the judgment pass'd twenty-five years ago is something which vould require some consideration, and until urther advised I do not think it would be vise to undo what was then done.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I am glad that the right ion. gentleman has advanced the argument 253
he has, because it proves the title to consideration of a corps whose claim I have always advocated, the W'ood Mountain Scouts. These men were not professional soldiers, but were engaged for the emergency. They went out as scouts, and were in as dangerous a position as either the militia or the police force. I pleaded on them behalf many years ago, but could never succeed in obtaining for them the consideration to which I -think they are entitled.


Wilfrid Laurier: Hear, hear.
At six o'clock, committee took recess.
After Recess.
House resumed at eight o'clock.


PRIVATE BILLS.
Mr.   W.@: GALLIHER moved that the amendments made by the Senate to Bill (No. 79) to incorporate the Thompson River Improvement Company be concurred in.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I notice that the amendments to this Bill are very extensive, several clauses have been wholly cut out and others considerably changed. We have not had opportunity to examine these amendments and, if they are to be gone on with, some one should explain their nature and effect.


Mr. GALLIHER.: The Bill stands in the name of the hon. member for New Westminster (Mr. Morrison), but it is really a Bill introduced by myself. The Bill was modelled on an Act of last session relating to the Columbia River Improvement Company. In going through the Private Bills Committee of this House one section of the Bill with regard to the schedules was left out. Practically, the rest of the Bill was left the same as the other. It then went to the Senate, where some objections were raised to it by parties in the neighbourhood of the Thompson river around Kamloops. They were represented before the Private Bills Committee of the -Senate by a lawyer from Kamloops. Finally, certain amendments were agreed to by both parties, and so the Bill was made satisfactory to those who were objecting as well as the promoters. After that, the Senate made some further amendments, and the Bill comes before us with all these changes in it. I do not know whether there is any objection to the amendments made by the Senate. But I know that the session is far advanced, and it seems to me the Bill ought to be considered to-night and assented to. It is a Bill, I believe, that is in the interest of the whole lumber industry along the North Thompson river. Parties are putting a great deal of money into that industry. Naturally, Bills of this kind arouse the opposition of some


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parties, probably for personal reasons. These may be very good reasons ; but, since the two parties interested in the question came before the Senate and agreed, it seems to me that no objection should be made here, unless it can be shown that some of the clauses are objectionable.
Thomas Simpson Sproule: The amendments are so extensive that I contend no one on the spur of the moment can go over them carefully and learn what is the effect of them. I do not think that the argument that the session is far advanced and that therefore we ought to pass the Bill right or wrong should carry much weight. Nor do I think that the argument is conclusive that two parties who claim to be interested have agreed upon this Bill. All that part of the country may be interested and we here are the persons who are supposed to be looking after their rights. Because the conflicting interests of two lumbering concerns have been accommodated, it does not follow that the House should accept the division of interest that they have made. This is not to say that I have noticed anything in the Bill specially objectionable. But the amendments are extensive and I think that some little time should be given to consider them ; we should have time to look over them and see whether they should be made.


William Alfred Galliher: We have an hour to consider this Bill, and I do not see anything iu the nature of the amendments that would make it necessary to spend longer time upon it


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I think the hon. gentleman might leave it until the next sitting of the House.


Sor WILFRID LAURIER.: The hon. gentleman (Mr. Galliher) can have it brought up on Monday.


William Alfred Galliher: There are some parties here who are waiting to see the Bill through. For my part I do not see why the Bill cannot be taken up and the amendments read and considered now. We have an hour to do it, so why should it be postponed ? I do not usually press these matters, and If there were other private Bills to occupy the hour to be devoted to that order of business, I probably would not press it now. But, why cannot we consider it within the time ?
Mr. SPROULE/. The hoh. gentleman surely does not want to keep the House held "up while we are going through these amendments.


William Alfred Galliher: If the House were never held up in a worse cause than in considering whether this Bill is right or wrong, no one would have cause to grumble.


Mr. HENDERSON.: These amendments came suddenly upon us and we have had no time to give them such examination as


William Alfred Galliher: would have been given in the Committee on Private Bills. I think the hon. gentleman (Mr. Galliher) should allow this Bill to stand over until Monday and, in the meantime, let some department of the government examine these amendments carefully and state to the House whether this Bill should be passed or not. If the government take the responsibility, it will go a long way towards removing any objection that might otherwise be made. I do not wish to detain the House for an hour to go into the Bill, for there is other business that might better occupy our attention.


Peter Macdonald: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt this motion ?


Wilfrid Laurier: Carried.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: If the Prime Minister (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) who says ' carried ' will look at the copy of the Bill, he will find four clauses cut out and one clause with cdght or nine subsections put in. And this Bill so changed is put into our hands, and in less than ten minutes it is to be carried. We are not going into Committee of the Whole to consider it. Is it not rather going it blind to agree so quickly to such extensive amendments ?


Wilfrid Laurier: I have not suggested that. My hon. friend (Mr. Galliher) is within his rights if he proposes to proceed with the Bill. The only way, if the hon. member for East Grey (Mr. Sproule) is not satisfied is to have each amendment read and let the House decide whether it shall be refused or agreed to.


Edward Frederick Clarke: The powers given to the company, as I understand it, have been restricted by the Senate ?


William Alfred Galliher: Yes. If there is so much objection to it that any one wants it to go over until Monday, I am agreeable ; but I would have preferred to have it go through to-night, because private parties who are very much interested want to start for home.


Wilfrid Laurier: Since my hon. friend (Mr. Galliher) agrees, I move that the debate be now adjourned.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
House in Committee of Supply.
For the purchase, equipment and maintenance of vessels to be employed in patrolling the waters in the northern portion of Canada ; also for establishing and maintaining police and customs posts at such points on the mainland or islands as may be deemed necessary from time to time, $200,000.
[", B.C., Rental, &c.:\tRemarks (Mr. Earle) in Com. of Sup., 7622 (iv).\nVoters' Lists, Printed and Distributed :\tQues.\n(Mr. Blain) 6885 (iv).\nWalke, W. M., Compensation re Damages, N.W.\nM.P.: in Com. of Sup., 7619 (iv).\nWalpole Island, Indian Surveys :\tin Com. of\nSup., 6932 (iv).\nWater Service for Dom. Buildings :\tin Com.\nof Sup., 7631 (iv).\nWedge Point Breakwater Extension, N.S.:\tin\nCom. of Sup., 7647 (iv).\nWelland Canal, (Deepening, Govt. Policy :\tRemarks (Mr. Reid, Grenville) in Com. of Sup., 6361 (iv).", 'Electric Lighting Plant :\tin Com. of\nSup., 6348, 6797; Rep. of R. J. Parke : Read (Mr. Emmerson) 6807 (iv).\n-\t\n\n stmnt. (Mr. Emmerson) 6675 (iv).\n-\t\n\n Employees, Payments to :\tRemarks (Mr. Lancaster) in Com. of Sup., 7511 (iv).', 'Gas Lighting ; Remarks (Mr. Lancaster)\nin Com. of Sup., 6351 (iv).\t*\t,', 'Lock Tenders, Pensions to :\tRemarks\n(Mr. Lancaster) in Com. of Sup., 7524 (iv).', ' Political Appointments :\tRemarks in\nCom. of Sup., 6H1 (iv).', ' Protection to Banks :\tin Com. of Sup.,\n6866 (iv).', u" Removal of Obstructions :\tin Com. of\nSup., 6358 (iv).\n-\t\n\n Retaining Walls : in Com. of Sup., 6867.\nWest Bay Wharf, N.S.; in Com. of Sup., 7647. West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. No. 80\n(Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6093 , 8845; M. to ref. back to Com., 6104; 3\xb0*, 6845 (iv).\nWest Point Wharf, P.E.I.:\tin Com. of Sup.,\n7743 (iv).\nWliitley, Lt.-Col., Tel. to from Hon. Mr, Fisher, re Command, &c.: M. (Mr. Hughes, Onit.) to adjn., 6875 (iv).\nWhite's Cove Breakwater. ^T.S.:\tin Com. of\nSup., 7647 (iv).\nWiarton Wharf, Ont.: in Com. of Sup., 7874 (iv).\nWindsor Branch, I.C.R.: in Com. of Sup., 6219.\nWinnipeg and Nelson R'iver Fishing Licenses, Mr. Markey's Contract ; Remarks (Mr. Boyd) in Com. of Sup., 7574 (iv).\nWinnipeg and Northern Lakes Fishing Licenses, Granting, &c.:\tQues. (Mr Boyd) 7783 (iv).\nYamaska Dredging, Que.:\tin Com. of Sup.,\n7843 (iv).\nYoho Park Reserve, Maintenance :\tin Com of\nSup., 7075 (iv).\nY'oung, Mr. Thus., Political Interference re Man. Elections : Remarks (Mr. Roche, Marquette) in Com. iof Sup. 7063 (iv).\nYukon District, Buildings, Repairs ; in Com. of Sup., 7632 (iv).", 'Fees, Expenses, &c.; in Com. of Sup.,\n7949 (iv).', ' Govt. Administration Expenses : in Com.\nof Sup., 7025 (iv).', 'Judges, Travelling Allowances, &c ; in\nCom. of Sup., 7945 (iv).', 'Law Library, Purchase of Books :\tin\nCom. of Sup., 7949 (iv).\nYukon and Lewes River Improvements :\tin\nCom. of Sup., 7879 (iv).\nYukon, Officials, Living Allowance, &e.: in Com. of Sup., 7947 (iv).', 'Public Buildings :\tin Com. of Sup., 7025.', 'Roads and Bridges in Com. of Sup.,\n7025 (iv).', 'Sheriffs, AllowaneeE, Fees, &c.: in Com.\nof Sup., 7945 (iv).']
Wilfrid Laurier: Mr. Chairman, the committee, I am sure, has not forgotten that last year we sent an expedition to explore, patrol and assert the authority of the government of Canada in Hudson's Bay and

the northern waters. The object of this expedition was fully explained to the House last year and met with general favour. Thq view was to assert beyond any possibility of doubt, so as to prevent any future possible conflict, the undoubted authority of the Dominion of Canada in the waters of Hudson's Bay and beyond. The steamer ' Neptune ' was chartered last year and sailed from Halifax. It had on board a representative of the Geological Department, a representative of the Marine and Fisheries Department, Inspector Moodie and five men of the mounted police. The expedition for the time being was under the chief control of Mr. Lowe. He was to explore, as far as he could during the season, the northern waters and to establish a post somewhere in Hudson's Bay. No definite instructions were given to the expedition as to the location of the post. Then, as soon as the break of the ice in the spring would permit, the expedition was to go north and explore Baffin Bay and Lancaster iStrait, and then come back to Cape Chidley, on the Straits of Hudson Bay. There they would be met by another boat, wihich was to sail, and has sailed on the loth of July to meet them, give them coal, provisions, &c. The 'Neptune Ms to come back and be relieved and be replaced by another boat, the ' Arctic,' which will be under the command of Captain Bernier, and which is to sail on August 15. This boat will carry an officer and ten men of the mounted police, apart from the crew of the ship. They will relieve the ' Neptune.' Their instructions are to patrol the waters, to And suitable locations for posts, to establish those posts and to assert the jurisdiction of Canada. The government has been induced to come to this action because it is evident that the time has come when our interests in these northern waters should not longer be neglected. At the present time there are whalers and fishermen of different nations cruising in those waters, and unless we take active steps to assert, what is the undoubted fact, that these lands belong to Canada, we may perhaps find ourselves later on in the face of serious complications. Perhaps the committee would understand it better if I should point out on the map the proposed routes of these vessels, and the places which I have mentioned.
Towards the erection of a monument to Champlain at St. John, $5,000.


Mr. HACKETT.: Mr. Chairman, I am not objecting to this item at all, but I raised a question in this House some little time ago in regard to the erection of a monument to the memory of the late Hon. Thos. D'Arcy McGee. Has the right hon. Prime Minister considered that question ? While I am not objecting to the erection of a monument to the memory of Champlain I think that the late Hon. Thos. D'Arcy McGee is entitled to some consideration at the hands of the government.
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Sir WILFRID LAtTRIER. Hear, hear.


Edward Hackett: And I would like to ask the hon. minister if he has considered the question and if there will be something in the estimates this year for the purpose.


Wilfrid Laurier: I am afraid that there will be nothing in the estimates this year but this is an idea which will not escape our memory another time.


Samuel Hughes: Is there any special reason why this monument should be placed at St. John ?


Seymour Eugene Gourley: He landed there.


Samuel Hughes: 
Edward Frederick Clarke: Do X understand that Champlain suggested the Trent canal also ?


Samuel Hughes: Yes, be is partly responsible for it. Parkman continues :
It was the eighth of September, and Champlain, shivering in his blanket, awoke to see the bordering meadows sparkling with an early frost, soon to vanish under the bright autumnal sun. The Huron fleet pursued its course along the bosom of Lake Simcoe, up the Little River Talbot, across the portage to Balsam lake, and down the chain of lakes which form the sources of the River Trent. As the long line of canoes moved on its devious way, no human life was seen, no sign of friend or foe, yet, at times, to the fancy of Champlain, the borders1 of the stream seemed decked with groves and shrubbery by the hands of man, and mighty walnut trees, laced with grape-vines, seemed decorations of a pleasure-ground.
Trees and grape-vines similar to those which Champlain gazed upon are to be seen there to-day. Then, Parkman goes on to describe the adventures, battles and hunts that took place in that locality. We know the locality. The vicinity of the village of Fenelon Falls between Cameron and Sturgeon lakes was one of the Indian hunting grounds. At all events Balsam lake where the late George Laidlaw had established his home and where his son who saw service in South Africa now resides was one of the camping places of Champlain and I want to direct the right hon. First Minister's attention to the fact. We do not want a $5,000 monument erected here but we will be very much pleased to see something to commemorate the adventures of Champlain in that locality erected in the county of Victoria.
Sir WILFRID T, A FRIER. I am most delighted to hear the sentiments expressed by my hon. friend from North Victoria (Mr. Hughes). We will be very happy to do for Ontario what we have been able to do for Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. There was a celebration this year at Annapolis of the 300th anniversary, of the landing of De Monts at Annapolis Royal. This Historical Society of Nova Scotia asked the government to contribute a certain amount towards the erection of a monument to Champlain. This appropriation which we ask parliament to vote has been asked for by the Historical Society of New Brunswick. Parliament has responded very cheerfully to that request and no doubt if any similar organization from Ontario were to send us a similar request it would meet with the same response. The city of St. John wants to put up a better monument than a monument which could be erected for $5,000. We give $5,000 and the city are to contribute an additional sum towards this monument. We shall be guided by the requests which are made upon us but we shall take into consideration any request that is made to us, and if it so happens that we are still in charge of af-Mr. SAM HUGHES.
fairs we will have still more pleasure in doing so.
Mr. GOL'RLEY. It is very proper that the erection of monuments to commer-morate the achievements of the early French explorers should be started in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. De Monts, the first European subject to land on this continent made his first landing at Annapolis Royal in 1604. Champlain a short time afterwards landed at St. John. Therefore it is very proper, chronologically considered, that these monuments should be first erected in the places which these men made historic by their first association with them. Afterward, I have no doubt Ontario will have the right to follow the maritime provinces and I will be very glad to join in any movement to that end. I was glad to hear my hon. friend from North Victoria (Mr. Sam. Hughesl read that history which I am rather familiar with. I said some years ago in this. House : that Champlain and Cartier, the great early French explorers, had a better knowledge of Canada and its trade routes and its strong commercial position on this continent, than any men in Canada since, with all our education.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Is this going to be a contribution ?


Wilfrid Laurier: Yes.
Valleyfield public buildings, $30,000.


Edward Frederick Clarke: What is the total cost to be ?


Mr. HYMAN.: The total estimated cost is $55,000. The total expenditure has been $25,000 and this vote will complete.


Mr. BELL.: Does it include the land V


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes, everything.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: It is a combined building for post office, &c.


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes ; this is to complete the contract.
Seven Islands-wharfs, $60,000.


Charles Smith Hyman: I handed my hon. friend the contract in this matter.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Who had the contract from the private parties to build this pier?


Mr. HYMAN  M.@: Connolly of Quebec.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Why did not the government allow Connolly to go on with the work for the company, in view of the statement made last year by the minister.


Charles Smith Hyman: The engineer says that the department looked very carefully into the matter and that the transfer was in the public interest. The hon. gentleman has read the contract and he knows that , tshte material and labour will have to be

certified by the chief engineer before any payment is made.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Does this company buy the material from themselves ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Wherever they get it cheapest; the price of the timber has to be certified by the engineer and there is to be a certified sworn copy of the number of men and the wages and in addition we have a resident engineer.


Edward Frederick Clarke: How is the price of the lumber to be determined V We were told yesterday it would be folly to ask for tenders to do this work because this company was in such a position of superiority that they might charge any price they liked. Are they to be allowed to put in any price they like now ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I do not think so. Our engineer has a thorough knowledge of the price of timber all over.


Edward Frederick Clarke: It is not clear to me why the company were not allowed to go on and do the work themselves, and why the government assumed the responsibility of it when it was being done by a private corporation. This corporation had received pulp concessions and water privileges, and in order to make these valuable they had to erect deep water piers and they let a contract for that purpose, as I understand from the minister. When the work was pretty well under way the government stepped in and in a paternal spirit took it oft' their hands and allowed them $34,000 for the work done, and $21,000 for the material on hand, and then authorized them to go on and complete the work. Why did the government interfere ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The reason the government, after acquiring the wharf, did not allow the contractors to continue the work was that there was really no plan that would satisfy the engineers of the department. Plans were prepared by the department, and it was on these plans that the work was proceeded with.


Edward Frederick Clarke: It has not been made clear why the government interfered and took over the work.


Charles Smith Hyman: It was' on the opinion of the chief engineer. The bon. gentleman knows that the minister has practically to follow his technical officer.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Have you the report of the engineer there ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes.


John William Bell: We are rather interested to find out how the engineer happened to go there. Who sent" him there ?


Charles Smith Hyman: It is not possible for the chief engineer to visit every place where work is being carried on.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Did the engineers drift in there by accident, and say : We ought to take this work over and extend it, and do it on a more elaborate scale ; we will give $34,000 to the contractor for the work done and $21,000 for the material ; we will take it from the contractor, and then hand it back to him and tell him to go on and complete the work ; and he will send us a statement of the materials supplied to him at a certain price and the amount paid in wages ; and if the engineer certifies to it, we will pay you ? Is that the Whole plan ?


Charles Smith Hyman: If the hon. gentleman looks at the papers, he will see that it was not done in that way at all. He will find, in addition to the certificate of our engineer, a certificate attached of Messrs. Ross and Holgate, both in regard to the amount of work done by the contractor and the amount of material on hand.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Is Mr. Holgate the company's engineer ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes.


John William Bell: The minister has not yet given us any reason for taking this work over. He has given us a description of the course followed in getting a report from the government engineer and also from the engineers of the company ; but what the hon. member for West Toronto (Mr. Clarke) is anxious to know is why the government wanted to take this property over at a time when the company were building the work themselves, and had spent $55,000 or $56,000 upon it. That is the point the hon. member for Toronto is endeavouring to make, and the minister does not seem to catch the point.


Charles Smith Hyman: I did not understand the hon. member for Toronto to make that point. The reason for it is this. There is an item in the estimates for a pier at this place. It was explained last night very fully by the hon. Minister of Justice that this is the only harbour on the north shore of the St. Lawrence for a very long distance. It was felt by the department that the government should own and control the wharf at such an important harbour of refuge ; and when the government found that this company had started the wharf, they felt that they -should, in the interest of the country, take it over from the company instead of building a new one, and the interest of the public was carefully guarded in the method pursued.


Mr. MORIN.: Is this wharf to be built exactly where the old wharf was ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: What kind of timber will you use in the wharf ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Mostly southern pine for the face timber.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: Is that pine grown in the j southern states or at the Seven Islands ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I understand from the term ' southern pine ' that it is grown in the south.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: Sometimes it is called southern pine, though it never grew in the south.
Mx\ HYMAN. It is certified by two engineers that it is southern pine, and by southern pine the department understands pine that has grown in the south.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: Are you aware that is the fact ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I take that from the engineers. I am not aware of the fact.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: There is another ' nigger in the fence ' there.


John William Bell: The government allowed this Seven Islands bay to remain for a number of years without providing a harbour of refuge there. Now they are engaged in carrying on this work. No doubt their attention was called to it by some request either from parties interested in shipping or parties interested in the business. Is there anything on file in the department to show how the government discovered the necessity for this wharf ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I am informed by the engineer that it is purely the act of the government, just as I explained before.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Would it be the act of the government without somebody drawing their attention to the necessity for a wharf 7 Is the government sending engineers all around the country to hunt up places where there ought to be wharfs, without any applications being made for them, either from the shipping interests or the public in general ? We are told that this is the only harbour of refuge on that shore, but that has been told us in support of several different items, and that plea is pretty well worn threadbare. It is about time that some better excuse was offered. There might be some excuse if there was any population in that place ; but so far as we know, it has neither population or commerce to any extent worth mentioning and is comparatively speaking a wilderness. But simply because two or three enterprising individuals, finding that there were good timber limits and water-powers in that region, applied to the province of Quebec and got hold of these timber limits and water-powers and started business, and simply because, after they had begun building a wharf which was absolutely necessary to them in the prosecution of their industry, these people found it would be much more advantageous to them to have that work done as a public work, we find this government stepping in and taking the expense off their hands and on the plea of serving the public interest build-Mr. HYMAN.	,
ing a wharf for this particular firm. That is really what this expenditure amounts to. This company had done work on that wharf to the extent of some $34,000 and had lumber and other material there, estimated to be worth some $21,000, and the government repay them this expenditure, and then tell them to go on and complete the job and we will recoup you for what it may cost. There is not the slightest evidence that there has been any request from any shipping or commercial interests for this work except from the private company I have referred to. A more wanton piece of extravagance, to use a mild term, could scarcely be exhibited even by this business and reform government.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: I said last night that the government appear to be overflowing with love for these Messrs. Clarke, and I am still of that opinion. This place, called the Seven Islands, has been inhabited for no less than 200 years by fishermen and mariners, who navigate in small boats that draw from four to six feet of water, and who had all the accommodation they needed from the little wharf that was built there.. During all this time, while these poor fishermen and mariners were the sole inhabitants of that region, no government thought it worth while to spend any money on public improvements on behalf of these people. But no sooner did the Messrs. Clarke secure lumber limits and water-power in that district and start a big business, than this government steps in and takes the wharf, which these people had begun to build, off their hands and are now about to complete it at a great expense to the country. This of course will be eminently satisfactory to the Messrs. Clarke, who own the whole country for several miles up the river and several miles back. They own that country absolutely. Under the charter given them a couple of years ago, no one has the right to build a store there or a hotel or start a place of commerce of any kind. Mr. Clarke owns everything, and yet this paternal government is going to build a wharf especially for him and his associates. Looking at it in any light you please, it appears to me the height of absurdity that any government should have so much love for some men and so very little for others. These poor fishermen and mariners who were in that place long before the Clarkes, were just as much entitled to government favours, but they never got anything. And this government, which claims to be the protector of the people, which claims to carry the whole country on its hands, which, we are told, was going to give a great example of reform, never dreamt of doing anything for the poor people in that locality. But no sooner did the Clarkes take possession of it, than these ministers are ready to kneel down and pray for them.


Edward Frederick Clarke: As I understand from the records, this work was being proceeded with by the company which owns the limits before the vote of last year was asked for. If the government knew anything about the matter, they must have known that the company was then constructing a pier of its own for its own purposes. The House was not put in possession then of anv of the information we have to-night, although if the government engineer had been down there and had made a report on the necessity of constructing a pier for the purpose of establishing a harbour of refuge, he would certainly not have failed to mention all the facts. I have not yet been able to satisfy myself that there was any justification for the interference of the government in this work. The privileges which this company had obtained had to be exploited, and in order to exploit them the company had to build a wharf, and were doing it when the appropriation was voted by parliament last year. The next thing we find is that the work which was being performed by this company has been taken over by the government, and the government has undertaken to pay the company some $50,000 to $00,000 for work done and material in hand. That certainly is not a very satisfactory proposition to my mind.


Mr.   REEL@: It would appear from these papers that months before the government asked for a vote of $25,000 last year, this work was under way. It was begun by the company in April, 1903, and continued until November. The sum of $34,000 had been expended by the company at the time the government asked parliament for a vote for the purpose of erecting a wharf of its own. It now appears that the purpose was to purchase the work which the company had begun. And we find that the government had undertaken to do this without any interested party, unless it be this company interested, asking that it be done. The public of Canada has not asked for this work. The shipping interests have not approached the government in order to have the sum of $25,000 put in the estimates to pay for the work which was being constructed by private parties. But in the course of the early months of 1904, the government bound itself to pay the company for the portion of the work already constructed, the sum of $34,433.75, and the agreement goes on to provide :
That over and above the said sum, for all the materials, inoiuding pine, spruce, iron, &c., which have already been delivered on the site and for the purpose of the contemplated works, the government hind itself to pay the said company, once for all a further sum of $21,485.34, it being clearly understood and agreed that all such materials are to he used in the carrying out of the construction of the balance of the works contemplated.
5. And it is understood and agreed that the said company are hereby entrusted with the performance of the balance of the works required to complete the works set out or referred to in the specifications hereto annexed, marked ' A ' and set out or referred to in the plans prepared for the purposes of the said works, which said specification and plans are declared to be part of this contract.
6.	That the balance of the works In the preceding clause referred to shall be so performed and carried out under the immediate supervision of an engineer delegated by the Department of Public Works of Canada, whose decision when, approved of by the said Minister of Public Works shall be final and decisive as regards both the materials and the quality and the quantity of the works.
7.	That whatever disbursements will have been made by the said company in carrying out and performing the balance of the works hereinabove referred to shall be reimbursed to the said company by the government in following manner, that is to say :
8.	As to the materials the said company shall produce vouchers containing a certificate to that effect that the materials outside and apart from those mentioned in clause four (4) of the present agreement, have actually been purchased and are necessary for the carrying out of the balance of the works hereinabove referred to, such certificate to bear the signature of the secretary-treasurer of the said company as well as that of the resident engineer hereinabove mentioned.
9.	As to the labour the said company shall produce pay-rolls duly receipted and containing a certificate signed in the manner determined in the preceding clause to the effect that the labour mentioned in such pay-rolls has been actually and necessarily performed and paid for in connection with the carrying out of the said balance of the works.
And this is the plan on which the government generously came to the relief of this company. They took over work for $10,000 more than parliament had justified the government in spending, and also covenanted to pay them $22,000 for material which the government had not authorized them to pay at all, and then bound themselves to go on and spend nearly $100,000, and perhaps more


Charles Smith Hyman: Not more.


John William Bell: Probably more, because there is no limit.


Charles Smith Hyman: I am sure the hon. member (Mr. Bell) does not wish to be unfair. He knows very well that there is a limit. I have told him that there were plans and specifications, and they are referred to.


John William Bell: If, under the operation of this peculiar contract the government vote is exhausted, the minister has prudently made provision


Charles Smith Hyman: The hon. gentleman knows that the vote as taken is mentioned. Last year I think the minister told the House that it would require $60,000.


John William Bell: But it is evident that the minister contemplated that the company would spend more than the vote, because he has put in this provision.


Charles Smith Hyman: Because the plans might lie changed.


John William Bell: He has put in this provision :
10.	Should the amount now voted by parliament and applicable towards payment lor the works hereby contracted lor be at any time expended previous'to the completion ol the said works, the contractor shall not be entitled to any payment lor work done beyond the amount voted and applicable as aforesaid until the necessary lunds shall have been voted by parliament in that behalf.


Charles Smith Hyman: We only had $25,000 at that time and so that seemed a necessary provision.


Edward Cochrane: Quite an amount for an ordinary wharf-$25,000. We would be glad of half of it in our section.


John William Bell: This is clearly one of the most extraordinary transactions that have come before the notice of this House. In discussing this matter last night attention was called to the fact that no tenders were called for this work. The reason advanced by the minister for this course was that no person would be in a position to tender except the company interested, because material could be supplied by them to better advantage than by any one else. Now, I find in the specification of timber as submitted by the government engineer that the greater part of that timber is southern pine, valued at $28 per thousand.


Charles Smith Hyman: It is $27 per thousand is it not ?


John William Bell: Perhaps it is $27 or $28 per thousand. Certainly, any other company as well as one engaged in the production of pulp on the St. Margaret river would be in as good a position to procure southern pine as they would. So, there is nothing whatever to justify the government in spending $85,000-supposing it be no more -in violation of the Act that requires that works of this kind should be carried out by tender and contract. That Act provides as follows:
The minister shall invite tenders by public advertisement tor the execution of all works, except in cases of pressing emergency in which delay would he injurious to the public interest, or in which, from the nature of the work, it can be more expeditiously and economically executed by the officers and servants of the department-


Thomas Simpson Sproule: This is not by officers of the department.


Charles Smith Hyman: Certainly it is.


John William Bell: I understood that the only officer there was a resident engineer.


Charles Smith Hyman: All those engaged in the work under that clause are officers and servants of the government while engaged on the work.


John William Bell: 


John William Bell: In that case, the North Shore Power and Pulp Company is an officer of the government, because that is the party doing the work.
-or in cases where the estimated cost is less than $5,000.
Regarded from every point of view, there is really nothing that has been said to this House that justifies this transaction. The idea of this being built as a harbour of refuge is one that escaped the attention of the government! for seven years. (Only now, when certain parties want to build it do they make the discovery that it is necessary to make these important works. The reason given for not publicly calling for tenders is quite inadequate and offers no justification for adopting this course. There was no question of emergency, and there is nothing to show that it is more in the interest of the government to build this without tender than in the case of any other contract in which the government are engaged. If the government can take refuge under that section to justify the carrying out of this work in the way they are doing it practically they have set aside any other obligation resting upon them to perform any part of the public works of this country by tender and contract. If this is to be the interpretation placed upon the section by the minister, the whole system that has been looked upon as, in a certain measure, a security to the people of the country is wiped out. Because, there is no public work going on in Canada for which such justification c.vild not be found if 1be go [DOT] ernment chose to do the work in the manner in which they are doing it here-by buying the materials and supplying the labour.


Jean-Baptiste Morin: I suppose the engineer has given to the minister the height, length and width of the wharf, and how many thousand feet of lumber and timber will be used in the contraction ?


Charles Smith Hyman: He made plans of the wharf, and, of course, those plans give all the measurements.
Mr- COCHRANE. The minister tells us that there were plans and specifications, and, as I understand, work was done under them. But now a new plan has been adopted. How are the engineers going to apply the work done under the old plan to the lines of the new ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The hon. member for West Toronto (Mr. Clarke) has the report which explains the matter.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Are these all the documents connected with the matter that are on file in the department 1


Charles Smith Hyman: All the documents under which this contract is made. I asked for all

the documents and these are all that were laid before me.


Edward Frederick Clarke: This item was discussed on the 9tli October last year. The statement made by the Minister of Public Works was a very brief one. He said :
This is to make provision for the construction of a deep water pier on the west side of Bay of Seven Islands. The pier will run out in a northerly direction, nearly at right angles to the shore, and it will have a total length of 1,325 feet, reaching a depth of 48 feet at low water spring tide. The estimated cost is $65,000. The reason for the work is that there is a most important development going on at that place, and there are now large pulp mills in that district which was up to a year or so ago almost unknown.
That statement was made on October 9. That statement bears evidence that the department had sent an engineer down there, and that the engineer had made a survey


Charles Smith Hyman: The hon. gentleman can make any deductions he pleases ; as a matter of fact an engineer had not been sent down at that time.


Edward Frederick Clarke: The hon. gentleman can then explain the meaning of the language which his colleague used in asking the committee twelve months ago for this appropriation. He gave particulars as to the location of the dock ; he told us in what position it was to be located ; he told us how it would run out; he told us it would be at right angles to the shore running out in a northerly direction ; he told us it would have a total length of 1,354 feet and that it would have a depth of forty-eight feet at low water spring tide. The estimated cost was $65,000. We have surely the right to infer, if any value is to be placed on the statement made to the committee last October by the Minister of Public Works, that he had data upon which he made that statement and gave those particulars. If there had not been an engineer down there then we cannot attach much value to the statement. If the department had not sent an officer to make a survey of the harbour, to decide on the best site for the pier, of what dimensions it should be, and how it should run, if this statement of the minister is all to be cast aside, then I cannot say much more about it. The House or any person reading his statement would certainly conclude that the minister was speaking on the authority of some information given to him by an engineer of his department. How did he know the length the pier would be, or what it would cost ? Have we a right to infer that the minister imagined these things, or that he had some officer in his department who advised him as to what the probable cost would be ? How could he ascertain what the cost would be if he did not know the dimensions of the pier and the probable cost of material down there ?
Those remarks of the minister were made on October 9. Parliament prorogued about October 24, and this correspondence commenced, so far as the papers brought down show, on November 23. The first letter is dated from Quebec less than a month after prorogation, and six weeks after the statement of the minister. It is as follows :



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118 St. Peter St.,
Quebec, Nov. 23, 1903.
Hon. Jas. Sutherland,
Minister of Pubic Works,
Ottawa.
Sir,-We beg to hand you herewith our statement of work on Seven Islands wharf to end of season, showing expenditure of $34,433.95. Tenders1 were received for this work, but as none were satisfactory, all were rejected and the prices inserted in the bill herewith are contract figures and less than any tender received. They were arrived at after lengthened 'discussion with contractor Connolly. We affirm that the figures are fair and reasonable for the locality.
Certificate of engineers Ross and Holgate appended.
We submit the account for your approval, and shall be glad of early payment.
We beg to remain,
Yours very respectfully,
North Shore Power Railway and Navigation Company.

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Secretary-Treasurer.
Six or seven weeks after the House was asked to vote $25,000 as an initial appropriation to enable the government to construct a pier in a certain place, and of certain dimensions, a demand is sent from the secretary-treasurer of this company asking for payment of $34,433.95. There must have been some correspondence between the minister of the department and these gentlemen prior to this. This surely is not the beginning of the correspondence, where a person writes demanding the payment of $34,433.95.
Then on the next page, we have the account for work, which is as follows :-

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Account for work on Seven Islands wharf.
1903.
Rock filling in approach, 17,695 cubic
yards at $1.25, equals	$22,118	75
Gravel top filling, 1,500 cubic yards
at 30 cents, equals	 450	00
Timber, 205,548 feet B.M. at $27,
equals	  5,549	80
Framing timber, 17,129 cubic feet at
10 cents, equals		1,712 90
Rock filling in crib, 3,190 cubic yards
at $1.25, equals	 3,987	50
Iron in crib-work, 20,000 pounds at
3 cents, equals	 615	00
Total value of work done... .$34,433 95
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And then this is the certificate attached:
Robt.   A.@: Ross, C.E. Cable address ' Rossgate ' Henry Holgate, C.E. Telephone Main 4223 ROSS & HOLGATE,
Consulting and Supervising Engineers,
80 St. Frangois-Xavier Street,
Montreal, November 21st, 1903. The North Shore Power, Railway and Navigation Company,
Quebec.
Dear Sirs,-The work in connection with the construction of the wharf at Seven Islands bay was commenced in April last, and carried on continuously until the first week of this month, when it had to be discontinued on account of the severity of the weather.
The approach to the wharf comprises the rock filling of about 530 feet in length. This was nearly completed, and one length of 200 feet of cribwork was sunk, and built up to elevation 110'00.
The expenditure on the construction of the wharf to date, for work, has been as follows :-
Rock filling in approach, 17,695 cubic
yards at $1.25	$22,118	75
Gravel top filling, 1,500 cubic yards
at 30 cents	
450	00Timber, 205,548 feet B.M. at $27.. ..	5,549	80
Framing timber, 17,129 cubic feet at
10 cents	 1,712	90
Rock filling in crib, 3,190 cubic yards
at $1.25	
3,987	50Iron in cribwork, 20,500 pounds at 3 cents	
615	00

We beg to certify that the above statement is correct.
Truly yours,
ROSS & HOLGATE.


PRICE LIST.
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Wharf timber at Seven Islands.
12 x 12 per appended statement, 691,309 feet B.M., $27 per M. feet B.M.
10 x 10 sawn cedar, 70,000 feet B.M.,
10 x 10 spruce, 20,000 feet B.M., $18 per M. feet B.M.
10 x 10 white pine, 30,000 feet B.M.,
Iron.
22,000	pounds I round at 3 cents pound.
Then on December 16th, nearly a month
after the payment of $34,433.95 was demanded by the secretary-treasurer of the company on account of the work done, we have this memorandum from the department of Public Works :
Copy. No. Subject, Seven Islands, Q. Ref. No.
Department of Public Works of Canada,
Chief Engineer's Office, Ottawa, December 16, 1903.
Sir,-During the last session of parliament the sum of $25,000 was granted towards the construction of a breakwater in the harbour of Seven Islands, county of Saguenay, Quebec. The building of a breakwater was, however, commenced by the North Shore Power, Railway and Navigation Company, under contract with Mr. Michael Connolly, the amount expended by the company to date being, according to the inclosed letter from Mr. Thomas Mr. CLARKE.
Meaney, secretary-treasurer of the company, $34,433.95. The contract prices were fixed by the company after calling for tenders from a number of reliable contractors. None of the tenders being found satisfactory, an agreement was entered into with Mr. Connolly to perform the work at prices lower than those of any tender received, and I am satisfied that the prices affixed to the different quantities of work already performed are fair and reasonable. I therefore believe it would be in the interest of the department to purchase from the company for the amount of the expenditure incurred to date, the portion of the work which they have already built, and to continue the breakwater to completion on the site adopted by them, which is the one they have deemed best suitable for the purpose it was intended to serve.
The company are the owners of the site of, and the approach to, the work commenced by them. It would therefore be necessary, should the department take over the work, for the company to vest in the Crown the deep water lot upon which the wharf is to be built, as well as all the land required for freight' sheds, &c., and the road across the property, for the public use.
With the plans at my disposal I am unable to locate and properly describe the land required for the road and storage accommodation, and it is impossible at this season of the year to send an engineer to make the necessary survey. This, however, if an agreement is entered into with the company, could be done as early as possible next spring, and before the actual work of construction was commenced. I have not at my disposal the necessary plans with soundings on the site of the proposed work, and I will cause contract plans and specifications to be prepared as soon as I am advised that the work already performed by the company has been vested in the crown, and that the company have agreed to give all the land required for the public use of the wharf when completed.
The company have on hand on the site of the proposed work the following quantities of materials :
Southern pine, 12 inches by 12 inches square, 691.309 feet B.M.
Hawn cedar, 10 inches by 10 inches square,
70.000	feet B. M.
Sawn spruce, 10 inches by 10 inches square,
20.000	feet B.M.
iSawn white pine, 10 inches by 10 inches square, 30,000 feet B.M.
Iron, i-inch round, 22,000 pounds.
I understand from Mr. Meaney and the company's engineer, Mr. Holgate, of Montreal, that the prices paid for these materials are as follows :
Southern pine $27.00 per M. B.M.
Cedar, spruce and white pine, $18.00 per M. B.M.
Iron, 3 cents per pound.
At these prices, which I deem fair and reasonable, the above-mentioned materials would cost $21,485.34, and as they are already delivered on the site of the work, a clause might be inserted in the specification to the effect that intending contractors would agree to take over these materials at the prices mentioned. Annexed to this letter is a statement of the quantities and prices of these materials.
I may add that the work already performed by fha company includes the building of a stone embankment or approach to the wharf, about

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530 feet in length, any one crib 200 feet in length, sunk in position. According to the building plans left with me by the company, the work has been performed in the manner in which such works are usually built by the department. I would, therefore, be at liberty to accept the work already performed.
I have the honour to be, Sir,
Your obedient servant.
(Sgd.) EUGENE LAFLEUR, Acting Chief Engineer.
This is all the correspondence in this bunch except some one or two typewritten statements as to quantities of timber, southern pine, &c. It was pointed out by the Minister of Justice last year that this work ought to be done. In the course of the speech which he made recommending the appropriation of |25,000, he said :
It is of the greatest importance to the navigation of the St. Lawrence that there should be a port in the Bay of Seven Islands, which would be a place of refuge for the vessels, and where they could be repaired. It would be in the public interest to have a wrecking plant and a dry-dock there. It is really more central than Quebec, where there is a wrecking plant now. When a vessel gets aground, it is of the utmost importance that she should be taken off at the earliest possible moment, so as to be saved the consequences of the terrible battering she would get if a storm came on. If a vessel happens to he stranded and is allowed to remain on the rocks for a week, and one of those terrific storms which we have down there comes on, she will, as the saying is, practically pound the bottom out of herself. This place is not in my constituency, but is in the constituency of my 1:on. friend '(Mr. Girard) ; but it is the only point on the lower St. Lawrence where there is a harbour, and it is important that we should have at that central point conveniences for enabling us to go to the help of vessels which may be wrecked in the locality. This work is not for the benefit of one firm only. All those American firms which come in there for the purpose of exploiting our spruce limits will use this port as a port of shipment. How can you ship pulp from the lower St. Lawrence if you cannot get vessels into a harbour whence it can be shipped ?
Just a few weeks after that statement was made as to the necessity of this work we find the government in negotiation to acquire a property about which the engineer practically knew nothing, because he makes no certificate as far as I can see here. He says that it is impossible to send an engineer down at that season of the year. He accepts a work constructed by a private company on its own property. He accepts the statement of the secretary treasurer of the company accompanied by the certificate of the company's engineers, and upon the strength of that he recommends, and the government accept the recommendation, that this pier at Seven Islands, and which was being constructed by this private company in its own interest, should be taken over at the company's price. The government also assume the responsibility for the completion of the
work and pay for all the work and materials which the company have done or supplied and the government's engineer certifies to the account. If this is a satisfactory way of doing business, why then I do not think I should occupy any more of the time of the committee. It seems to me to be a most unbusiness like proposition. It seems to me that the committee was not placed in possession of all the information which it had a right to expect from the hon. minister when he asked for this vote last year. There has been no reason advanced yet why the government should have taken this work over and made the contract which it has made with this company. I enter my protest as one member of the committee against this method of doing business because I think it is not in the public interest that business should be done in this way. The hon. gentleman may have all these letters and documents now.
Edward Cochrane: Would the hon. min-itser please answer that question ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I have endeavoured to explain the item several times.	,


Edward Cochrane: The hon. gentleman did not explain the question I put to him.


Charles Smith Hyman: What was the question ?


Edward Cochrane: I thought the hon. minister was paying some attention to what I was saying.


Charles Smith Hyman: It is pretty hard to remember the question after the long oration we have had from the hon member for West Toronto (Mr. Clarke.)


Edward Cochrane: The question was if the wharf was partly built in accordance with one specification how the government could adopt a new specification and work it out. This is an extraordinary position to take and I think the hon. acting minister will see how fallacious his statement is when he pretends to shelter himself behind the wording of the statute. I know that when he thinks the matter over he will see that the statute was never intended to cover a case like this. I am here to tell the acting minister that if he has no alternative, but to accept the recommendation of his engineer he had better get out of the business. The hon. minister has power to either accept or reject the recommendation of his engineer. I never knew that the department was run by the engineer. I knew it would be pretty hard for the minister to adopt every recommendation of the engineer, but I never knew that the minister was compelled to accept every recommendation that the engineer made. If that is the stand that the minister takes he is in a very absurd position. If a private individual got money in the same way that the hon. Minister of Public Works got money from this committee last year he would soon be put behind the penitentiary bars. He got the money under false pre-

teDses. He asked for money to commence a work when it was already commenced, and it cost the country somewhere about $34,000 to pay for the work that had already been done. I think it is an absurd proposition to say that if they change their minds in reference to a work they cannot call for new tenders. They had to change their plans and specifications. I would like to ask the hon. minister what there was to hinder him from asking for public tenders for the work. The hon. minister will realize that he cannot shelter himself behind that clause of the statute because that clause of the statute was framed to meet a different situation. Should sudden emergency arise on a canal or public work the statute was designed to enable the government to employ the men on the canal or public work in finishing up the work. It is absurd to say that because these men are hired by the government they are officials of the government. It is absurd to say that the labouring men employed on this wharf are government officials. The engineer is a government official, but outside of that they are not government officials; they are hired men. We all know, from what has transpired here, that it costs about twenty-five per cent more for the government to do work by day's labour than by contract. If this work is necessary, I am prepared to vote the money, but I must be sure that it is in the best interests of the people of Canada, and that no private individual will be reaping a rich harvest out of the hard earnings of the people of this country.


Charles Smith Hyman: I am sure that when the hon. gentleman (Mr. Cochrane) sees his words in ' Hansard ' he will regret stating that the Minister of Public Works last year asked the House for money under false pretenses.


Edward Cochrane: Yes.


Charles Smith Hyman: There is not one tittle of evidence before this committee-


Edward Cochrane: Would the minister tell me


Charles Smith Hyman: Excuse me; I have the floor. There is not one tittle of evidence before this House which would show that in October last, T*hen the minister asked for this vote, he had any knowledge whatever of the fact of there being a wharf there that time.


Samuel Hughes: Then how did his officer make a report ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I am stating, in answer to the charge made, that when the minister asked for this vote there is not a tittle of evidence to show that he knew there was a wharf in existence. He said it was proposed to build a wharf there ; he gave the cost at $65,000, and he pursued the usual course in initial votes in asking for a sum in the estimates sufficient to enable the
department to enter into a contract, but not enough to complete the work. It was decided afterwards that it would-be more in the public interest that the government should acquire the property that had already been constructed.


Edward Cochrane: And the minister did not know it. When ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise.


Charles Smith Hyman: Very often, when a work has progressed to the extent of forty or even fifty per cent, if in the opinion of the engineer it is in the public interest to change the plans, the plans are changed without in any possible way interfering with the work already done. In this case there were certain changes made in the plans of the engineer, notwithstanding that there had been an expenditure of $34,000. It is quite true that a minister does not of necessity have to follow the reports made by his engineer, but he must be very largely guided by these reports. I do not say in all cases the minister is obliged to concur, but it is a very serious matter if he goes against his engineer's reports, and if I tried to justify such a thing in this House I have no doubt hon. gentlemen opposite would make a serious attack on me.


Edward Cochrane: I referred to the engineer's recommendation.


Charles Smith Hyman: His recommendation in writing and his report are practically the same thing. The engineer is a technical officer and it is a serious thing for the minister to override on a purely technical question, the report of an engineer who has been in the department for many years.


Edward Cochrane: The minister has left his department in a worse hole than before he attempted a defence. I can tell him that when I see ' Hansard ' I will not be sorry for what I said.


Charles Smith Hyman: I am sorry you won't.


Edward Cochrane: You need not be sorry for me ; be sorry for yourself. You are responsible for the blunder you made in playing into the hands of a certain party that you think more of, it looks to me, than you do of the public funds of this country. What is the position of the minister after challenging me for my impertinent statement?


Charles Smith Hyman: I never said that.


Edward Cochrane: Let me speak now.


Charles Smith Hyman: The hon. gentleman is quick enough to interrupt me-


Edward Cochrane: 
Edward Frederick Clarke: Or otherwise.


Edward Cochrane: If the company were constructing a work there and willing to spend their money on it, I cannot for the life of me see why the government should assume that work.


Charles Smith Hyman: The vote was passed in October, 1903. There was no payment made to the company until after the report of the engineer of the 25th of June, 1904.


Edward Cochrane: But the work was done.


Charles Smith Hyman: The papers show that the work had been commenced by the company in 1903.


Edward Frederick Clarke: I can appeal to the hon. gentleman that if time has been taken up on this item, it is due to the paucity of the information which he gave to the committee When this matter came up yesterday. Theiv, is some cause for complaint that the full information to which the committee was entitled has not been laid before it ; because I maintain, with all respect for the hon. gentleman's officers, that the file of correspondence which has been laid on the table does not contain all the correspondence which took place between the persons from whom this wharf was purchased and the department. That is rather- an unfortunate state of affairs. The engineer did not recommend that the site of this company's dock should be accepted. He did not recommend that the proposition made to this committee by the Minister of Public Works last year Should be abandoned altogether. He does not say that the wharf which the government has taken over is on the same site and in the same location and is for the same purpose for which a vote of $25,000 was taken last year to commence the construction of a government pier. The engineer should not be held responsible for the action of the government. The engineer's report speaks for itself. The engineer is very prudent and very cautious in making his statement, and that statement was not made until almost a month after the secretary-treasurer of the company had sent a certificate to the minister of the value of the work done on the wharf and asked for a cheque for it. The statement of the engineer points out that this wharf or pier is on private property, and that before the
government can do anything in the matter the property will, of course, have to be deeded to the Crown. The engineer recommended further that the material for which the country is to pay, or has paid, $21,000 or $22,000, should be charged up to the contractor for the work at the same price that the government paid to the company. That, it seems to me, would imply that the engineer of the department desired that the remainder of the work should be done by contract. Will the hon. gentleman pass over the report or read that portion of it ?


Charles Smith Hyman: At these prices, -which I deem fair and reasonable, the above mentioned materials would cost $21,485.34, and, as they are already delivered on the site of the work, a clause might be inserted in the specification to the effect that intending contractors would agree to take over these materials at the prices mentioned.


Edward Frederick Clarke: If the engineer knew what he was writing, and I suppose he did, he intended that tenders should be called for the completion of the work, because he recommended that if tenders were called for, the successful tenderer should be charged the same amount for the material on hand that the government had paid -the company for it. The transaction ail through is in a very unsatisfactory shape, and if we reach wrong conclusions in regard to it, it will be because we have not received all the information we are entitled to. I understand the peculiar difficulty the acting minister finds himself in, because this correspondence took place and this report was made prior to his assuming charge of the department ; but it was the duty of his officers to supply all this information, so that we might form an intelligent judgment upon the matter. I think it is a vicious principle for the government to ask parliament for a vote for a specific purpose, and then to ignore the intention of parliament, apply the money to another purpose, purchase private property, and do it all in the most careless and slipshod way. The hon. gentleman said this money was not to be paid over until June last. The contract was not completed until the 23rd of June, the date on which it was signed. Have the officers of the department obtained any information as to whether the storms of last fall and winter damaged the work that was constructed ?


Charles Smith Hyman: We have no information as to any damage having been done to the work.


George Taylor: I think the opposition have a perfect right to object to this item. Last year -the government prepared their estimates in Council, laid them before parliament and asked for $25,000, and the minister, when asked by this side of the House what that was for, stated that it was for the purpose of erecting a wharf, giving the name of the place, the kind of wharf that

was to be constructed, the necessity for it, its dimensions, and everything else connected with it. The opposition accepted the minister's statement that it was a work of necessity and in the interest of the country, and supposed that the government would proceed with the work as all public works are carried on, by first getting a report from their engineer and then calling for tenders. But what do we find to-day ? If there is any truth in the statement which I have in my hand, and which I am going to read, the government must issue a commission anil have this matter investigated. A party who has been on the ground writes this letter :
Dear Sir,-I regret to say that conditions were not favourable to take a photograph of the work I saw going on at ' Clarke's City,' in the bay of Seven Islands, for I would dearly like to show the people of this country how they are being ' flim-flammed ' and their money squandered in aiding the schemes o'f unscrupulous adventurers, from across the border, for a consideration, enlist the active support of one of the members of this ' business ' government.
In this instance I refer to the operations of the company known as the North Shore Power, Railway and Navigation Company, * a body corporate and politic, with head office in New York, though I think they have an office in Quebec, for which, like Gaynor & Green, the firm of the Hon. (?) Charley Fitzpatrick is counsel, &c. Anyway, it was that hon. gentleman, who got this company its charter, and has ever since watched over it with fatherly care.
Some two years ago, this aggregation of New York adventurers, through the efforts of Fitzpatrick's firm, of which Mr. Parent, premier of Quebec, is a member, secured a tract of timber and pulpwood lands, situated on the River St. Marguerite, about three hundred miles below Quebec. After this, they purchased, for a nominal sum, the water power of the River St. Marguerite, and began to make such improvements as seemed necessary for the manufacture of pulp. For this purpose, it was necessary to have an outlet on Seven Islands bay, so a railroad about nine or ten miles long running from the first falls of the Ste. Marguerite to Seven Islands bay was projected-but I understand/ It is fiot yet finished-ail the rolling stock of which has been allowed in free of duty ; but this is not the worst 'feature, from a public standpoint, of the ' encouragement ' that has been extended to this J infant industry.' A deep water terminus was necessary, so this company set to work to build a wharf, by extending out in the bay, a rock embankment, from the excavations along the line of railway to a distance of about eight hundred feet, or to a depth of about ten or twelve feet of water, where the first section o'f a timber wharf about two hundred feet long and thirty wide was placed, and filled up to low water with stone from the excavation. This much was accomplished last year ; but towards the close of the season, the North Shore Power, Railway and Navigation Company discovered that they had undertaken an expensive experiment, and ways and means were discussed to induce the government to undertake the expense of pro-


George Taylor: viding this company with the wharf and terminal facilities for their own business ; and strange as it may seem, the Department of Public Works have taken over, and paid for all the work and material supplied by this company on account of the terminal facilities required for its own use. There is not a habitation or living man residing within miles of this wharf, and no person will ever use it, but this pulp proposition (if it ever is finished.)
I understand this scheme was worked last year by the Hon. ' Charley ' Fitzpatrick, who induced the Minister of Public Works to put an item in the estimates ($25,000) for a wharf at Seven Islands. This passed the House all right, for Seven Islands is an old Hudson Bay post, and still something of a trading station with the Indians ; but is fully nine miles across the bay from Clarke City, where the wharf is being built. Then during the present session of parliament, another appropriation o'f $60,000 has been asked, making in all so far $85,000 to aid a scheme that is no earthly use to any one outside the aggregation comprising this pulp syndicate, Fitzpatrick, Girard et al ; but presumably some of this money will be laid aside to help Girard, M.P., for the district, and the Hon. Charley through the next election.
I am credibly informed that the North Shore Power, Railway and Navigation Company is building this wharf by days' labour, and furnishing the material at abnormally big prices, and the Department of Public Works is paying the bills monthly.
No wonder Fitzpatrick et al were desirous of getting rid of the Auditor General.
Why should these bills be paid ? Even if the work were required for the general good of Canada, the Public Works Department, has no authority to assume the expense of such a job without letting the work by public tender. It is easy for such cattle to find money to debauch the electorate, if they are allowed to go on in this manner.
Ask for a royal commission to investigate the matter.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Signed by whom ?


George Taylor: By a gentleman who, if given the commission, will produce evidence to substantiate every word that is in that paper. If these are the facts, it is the duty of the government to name a commission and see whether these statements are correct or not.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Will the hon. gentleman pass me over the paper ? I find there is no signature to this document which the hon. gentleman has read. Kindly give us the name.


George Taylor: Will the hon. gentleman name a commission ?


Some hon. MEMBERS: Name.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Either one of two things. The hon. gentleman has read a document which


George Taylor: Which was placed in my hands by a responsible party, who, he says, will verify every statement it contains.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The hon. gentleman said that It was signed by a responsible party.


George Taylor: I did not say it was
signed, but that it was placed in my hands by a responsible party.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Will he give the name of the responsible party or, in the alternative, make himself responsible for the truth of those statements, and they will be met very quickly.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: There is another alternative. These statements just read are alleged to be correct. We have no knowledge whether they are correct or not. They were read before the Minister of Justice, who is one of the parties named, and the reading of these statements affords him an opportunity of either denying or explaining them or attaching what weight to them be thinks fit. They are made in such a way that he can set this House right. If any members of this House are improperly informed or wrongfully informed, or if the *allegations are not correct, the opportunity is given him of setting the House right.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I must confess that I am surprised that my hon. friend from Grey (Mr. Sproule) for whom, as he knows, I have very great regard, would take the responsibility of saying here that an anonymous document of this sort must be answered in this House. The document has been read in the House, and I ask now that it be laid on the table to form part of the records so that we may know with what we are dealing. Independent altogether of the statement appearing in ' Hansard ' which gives it some weight, in view of the fact that it was read by the chief whip of the [DOT]opposition, I want this document to be in the custody of the House because I know something of this document and I know it did not reach the chief whip of the opposition direct but came to him through another channel. In this paper, these gentlemen, the Clarke Company are said to be a firm of New York adventurers. Sir, there is not a member of that firm, so far as my recollection goes-and I am pretty certain that I am *correct-who is not a Canadian. The members of the firm are the Clarke Brothers of Toronto, who also do business in New York, but who have remained British subjects. They never changed their allegiance. It is said here that this firm acquired these timber limits by-I do not know exactly what process described, but evidently the' writer of this paper suggests that they were acquired by some improper method. Sir, they were acquired by that firm at public auction after competition. No public timber limits can be sold in the province of Quebec except at public auction. That is provided by statute. With respect to the water-powers, I do not know anything about
the way they were acquired. Nor do I know anything about the incorporation of the company. I left my law firm in 1896, and have never been actively engaged in the management of it since then. I know absolutely nothing of what was done and am absouteJy unconnected with the management of my firm in any way, shape or form, except that nay name appears in it. In view of these facts and in view of the fact that this production is anonymous-


An hon. MEMBER.: Disreputable.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I think it is, to say the least, unfair to make it the basis of an attack upon me. I do not know of anything I have done at any time since I have been connected with the House which would justify any gentleman in assuming, on the strength of an anonymous letter, that I would for a consideration-for that is what is stated-commit this House to an improper vote. All I know is that-as I stated last year and repeat now-this coast, extending from Tadousac to the entrance of the Straits of Belle Isle, a distance of' 600 odd miles, with a population of over 10,000, should have some facilities, and there is not a public wharf in the whole of that locality except at this point. As to whether or not the bargain was a provident or an improvident one, that is something which hon. gentlemen can judge for themselves. At all events I had absolutely nothing to do with the drawing of the contract. I never saw it until I read it to-night. I never saw anything of the correspondence exchanged until this moment, and I fail to understand what is the reason of this personal attack. It seems to me we can discuss matters of this sort without having recourse to such methods.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Is that all the explanation the minister has to give ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: What further explanation do you require ?


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I think the minister will be fair enough to admit that we are doing him an act of great kindness and justice when we bring to his attention the rumours which he alleges are entirely false, and which would create an erroneous impression if not explained by himself or some one else who knew the situation and the circumstances and could put the matter right. But when we give him this opportunity, he thinks we are doing him an act of unkindness. The hon. minister says I took the responsibility of that article.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I did not say that the hon. gentleman did. I said I was sure that the hon. member for Grey (Mr. Sproule) would not do it.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: No, I would not, but since it is there, let me point out what is likely to be the public impres sion created by


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it. The Minister of Justice, who is a member of the firm of Fitzpatrick, Parent and- what is the name V
Charles Fitzpatrick: There are five or six names in it.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Mr. Parent is the .premier of the province of Quebec and has under his control practically, or that of his government, the disposal of the timber lands and the water-powers in that province. The Minister of Justice lias given us a piece of valuable information, to my mind, and that is that the timber lands are sold by public auction. That being the case, we must assume that the gentlemen who purchased these limits, purchased them at tneir value in the market. So that there could be nothing wrong about that transaction whatever firm bought the limits. But the impression would have been left on the public mind, without such explanation, that in some way or other the premier of the province of Quebec, who is a partner of the Minister of Justice, had secured for this firm valuable timber limits and water-powers. There is no information as to it being secured properly or otherwise ; it is secured. There is no insinuation, so far as I know that any of the parties have individually profited.


Charles Fitzpatrick: My hon. friend (Mr. Sproule) is aware that, under the law of our province, there can be no sale of timber lands by the province except by public auction.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: That is an illustration of what I have just said-that this gives the Minister of Justice an opportunity to make an explanation which the world at large does not know, and which puts a very different face upon the matter. With that explanation, it is clear that the firm could not have obtained the limit for less than it is worth. I do not know that any one has insinuated or would insinuate, after hearing this read together with the explanation of the minister, that either Mr. Parent or Mr. Fitzpatrick profited by this.


Charles Fitzpatrick: It is insinuated that I got it for political purposes.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: But, after this firm becomes possessed of the timber and waterpower through one member of the legal firm, another member of the same legal firm, who happens to be in the Dominion government advocates the building of a wharf there, and secures-or, if he does not secure it, at least there is secured through the Minister of Public Works-an item in the estimates for the building of that wharf. And, if the allegations be true that there is no settlement there and no commerce to be provided for, there would be no need for a wharf except to improve the facilities for this corporation. There is another eorpora-Mr. SPROULE.
tion there of which I happen to know in Ontario as a respectable firm. I say nothing against the firm of Clarke Brothers, because 1 know nothing about them. But we cannot suppose but that people will draw their own inferences from the facts that are placed before them. The fact that the Minister of Justice happens to be a member of the law firm that got the land and water-powers for this concern, and, immediately after; the Dominion government, of which he is a member, buy a. portion of the wharf that this lumber firm are building and add money to build a wharf which, according to the allegations made can be of no use except to further the interest of these parties ; and this is done upon an engineer's report which does not show that he has measured or verified in any way the quantity of work taken over but simply says that he believes the estimate of the timber is reasonable ; and on the strength of this the money is paid. The Minister of Public Works says that he knew nothing about the existence of a wharf there or of one being built. But the Minister of Justice had already told him by his statement in this House, which was as follows :
I know something of the bay of Seven Islands and this wharf partly built by a private company.
This statement was made when this item was under discussion. Yet, the Minister of Public Works says there is not a word to justify the statement that the Department of Public Works knew that there was such a work under construction, and there is no reason to insinuate that he knew that anything was being done except to begin de novo a wharf undertaken for philanthropic purposes or to facilitate the commerce of that region. We are told that there is no wharf for a great distance along that coast, and that these waters are considered the graveyard of the St. Lawrence. That would be a strong argument in favour of building a harbour of refuge. I felt like asking how many wrecks had taken place in these waters within the last twenty or thirty years. Because, if it could be shown that many wrecks had taken place, that would be an exceedingly strong argument in favour of a harbour of refuge. If, in addition, it had been shown that the navigators of those waters had applied to the gov-vernment for a harbour of refuge, I would say that that also was a strong argument in favour of it. But we endeavoured to get that information from the acting Minister of Public Works (Mr. Hyman) and also from the Minister of Public Works himself (Mr. Sutherland), but we got no information at all along that line. So, we have the right to assume that there was no demand and no application from the shipping interests of that section for a wharf. Taking all these things into consideration, we had just grounds for the assertion that this wharf

was built in the interest of this one concern and of this one concern alone. I am far from saying that even then it would not he justified, for, when people build up a great industry and give employment to labour, they are entitled to consideration, and they have their claims to be furnished with facilities, as well as people in any other part of the Dominion.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I suppose that document will be placed on file in the House ? I request that it be placed on file.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: There would be no object in doing otherwise. It was for the purpose of bringing out the information that it was brought forward. And my own suggestion regarding 'it was to have the name of the Minister of Justice mentioned in a document of this kind and in connection with such rumours as were current means either that the rumour should not be circulated or else there must be something behind it, that we did not know. Now, I thought it would do the minister greater justice to read it in his presence and allow him to make such explanation as he thought fit to have such a rumour going around the world where he was in no position to defend himself by making such explanation as he could make here.


Samuel Hughes: Was not this company incorporated by this parliament or was it the railway company ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Not this company, but the railway company.


Samuel Hughes: I remember the minister making the explanation about this very place. I would like to have the plans of this shore and the wharf laid on the table that we may see whether this is going to be a harbour of refuge or simply an accommodation for the pulp factory. If the government fairly make the excuse that it will be a harbour of refuge, that Will be something in favour of this vote. But, if it is merely for the accommodation of this one corporation, the item has to come out so fat as the opposition are concerned. I wish to point out to the minister that the sums involved in this work and in that of Grande V a lice for the benefit of two lumber companies on the River St. Lawrence where there is no settlement would open up a hundred miles of navigation in a country that is well settled in the county of Victoria and Haliburton, by connecting a number of lakes and thus give the people there access to the world. And yet, we cannot get a dollar for those works. But these lumber companies walk up and get for such works as this and the Grande Vallee wharf, sums that are almost fabulous, the spending of which 'increases the value of their property, and the voting of which is so suspicious that a deal is charged by one of the government supporters in this House. And 2o4
the Minis ter of Justice knows it. I will not say he (Mr. Fitzpatrick) is a party to this matter. It is a Montreal district man who made the deal. And here is this other which looks like a deal, though we do not know the nature of it. If there is a harbour of refuge there well and good. But we ought to see the plans.


Charles Fitzpatrick: The hon. gentleman (Mr. Sam. Hughes) will not need to look at the plans. If he will look at the map, he will see that this is on the north shore of the St. Lawrence opposite the eastern extremity of the Island of Anticosti. This is a bay that is eleven m'iles wide and at least, eleven miles deep and practically land-locked. It affords perfect protection from the storms.


Samuel Hughes: Where is this dock, in the bay V If so, what do you want a dock for in a harbour of refuge ? If you get into a land-locked bay what more do you want ? Why are not the plans of these things brought here '! We tried to get the plans for the Grande Vallde dock and I never saw them.


Charles Smith Hyman: I am informed by the engineer, us the Minister of Justice has already sa'id, that this is a perfect harbour. This wharf is built there to close up part of the mouth of the harbour and thus reduce the width, making it a better shelter harbour, that is reduce the width of the mouth of the harbour and add material to make it a shelter harbour.


Samuel Hughes: What was the depth of the harbour at their dock ? It is largely sailing vessels that are used there and these would want a wider entrance to come in.


Charles Fitzpatrick: It is steamers altogether.


Samuel Hughes: These sailing vessels would not want to make port through a narrow entrance.


Charles Smith Hyman: The length of the dock 'is 1,100 feet.


Samuel Hughes: Let us have a chart.


Charles Fitzpatrick: We will get Bayfield's chart.


John William Bell: Had we not better let this item stand ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The matter has been fully discussed, and I do not think it should be discussed any longer.


Samuel Hughes: I do not think it should pass at all.


Charles Smith Hyman: Then move to strike it out.


George Taylor: Surely, in view of the statement which has been placed in my hands by a responsible party, who says he



lias been there, and in view of the fact that there is no contradiction of his statements, it is proved that the government came down last year and asked and obtained $25,000 to build a wharf, and at the same time, and six months before, the company were at work building a wharf. Now they come forward and ask another appropriation of $05,000. From the papers laid on the table of the House it is proved that no tenders were advertised for, that there was simply a bargain with these people who are to go ahead and complete it. If last year, when the committee was asked to vote $25,000 to commence this work, they had known all these circumstances, the ojiposition would have voted that this appropriation be struck out. I would, therefore, move that this item of $65,000 be struck out.


John William Bell: In listening to the reading of the certificate by the engineer I thought it was a very cautious one. Were there any subsequent surveys obtained by the department before they paid the money ?


Mr. HI  MAN@: The money was paid upon an account by the company upon the certificate of the two resident engineers and the chief engineer of the department.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Who were the two engineers ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Mr. Tass& and Mr. Lamoureux.


Charles Smith Hyman: Are they engineers of the department ?


Charles Smith Hyman: They are both engineers of the department. One is district engineer and the other is resident engineer.


John William Bell: And they certify both as to quantity and price ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Are the certificates of these engineers there ?


Charles Smith Hyman: They will be on the bill rendered by the company.


Edward Frederick Clarke: Have we that bill before us ?


Charles Smith Hyman: What is here is simply a statement of the expenditure.


Edward Frederick Clarke: There is no certificate of any engineer there.


Charles Smith Hyman: That will be filed.


Edward Frederick Clarke: There must be some more papers filed, because certainly that file is incomplete.


Charles Smith Hyman: The bill rendered by the company would not form part of the papers in the possession of the department in any case.


John William Bell: If this embankment was constructed, as it has been said, by the company simply dumping in the harbour the Mr. TAYLOR.
stone from the excavations on the railway, and they were paid $1.25 a yard for that, the company must have reason to look on this as a fairly paternal government. That is a very fair rate of pay. We have not very full information in reference to this matter, and if the minister can assure us that he can give some further information, I think he should let the item stand until Monday.


Charles Smith Hyman: The engineer informs me that there is really no further information that can be laid before the committee.


George Taylor: Surely there is some more correspondence that can be brought down. There must be the first application for a grant, and then an attempt should be made to reconcile the statement of the minister last year when he asked for the $25,000. I have produced here a statement that there is not a man within nine miles of this place. Surely, in the face of this statement, the government are not going to force it through.


Samuel Hughes: At the mouth of what river is this pier being erected ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The engineer informs me it is at Polnte Noir.


Edward Frederick Clarke: This committee are entitled to know if the government are in possession of any information or report from the engineer. We passed a vote of $25,000 last year to commence the construction of a pier for a specific purpose. The hon. gentleman's predecessor gave us particulars last year when he asked this vote of $25,000. It is not creditable to the department that we have to drag these statements out in order to get information to enable us to know what we are doing. The minister made specific statements as to the location of the dock, the length of the pier, depth of water, &c. He must have done that from some advice or report of his engineers. We are entitled to know why the engineer abandoned the location, why he accepted this new property, and if it will suit. He has made no statement to that effect in the documents which have been submitted to us.


Charles Smith Hyman: I am informed by the engineer that the work which this vote is asked to complete will fulfil all the requirements that it was intended to fulfil when the vote of $25,000 was asked for.


Edward Frederick Clarke: I can only say that in so far as I am personally concerned that statement by the engineer will mitigate the conditions considerably, but we have a right to have some report from the engineer to justify this departure from the policy announced by the hon. Minister of Public Works last year.


Samuel Hughes: I find that by the letter read that this wharf is not near the west side of the harbour of Seven Islands at all. It is said to be at the mouth of the St. Margaret river according to the letter

produced and it is shown by the chart in an air line to he seven and a half miles from the entrance to the river and up towards Quebec. I think you may assume that this is correct and the acting Minister of Public Works is ignorant of any knowledge as to where the wharf is to be.


Charles Smith Hyman: Is the wharf marked on the chart ?	*


Samuel Hughes: No, but I have the chart here showing that the St. Margaret river is seven miles west. The railway charter called for a road in the valley of the St. Margaret river. That is where the charter requires the railway to run, and here we find the St. Margaret river entering the St. Lawrence seven and a half miles above the harbour of Seven Islands. Seven Islands and the Hudson Bay post are away on the north side, and in an air-line across the isthmus it is eleven miles as stated in this report which has been read by my hon. friend from Leeds (Mr. Taylor). I think that in face of all this the hon. minister should bring down some plans and not attempt to have this committee deceived by stating that this wharf is to be at the entrance of the Bay of Seven Islands. It is not according to the letter read, but is on the St. Margaret river and away up from the mouth of the harbour. Surely the hon. minister is not going to attempt to ask for a vote of this kind ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I will ask the hon. gentleman not to use such intemperate language. I am making no attempt to deceive the committee at all. The hon. gentleman is making his statement upon an anonymous letter read to this committee by the hon. member for Leeds ; I am making my statement upon the statement of the engineer who assures me that the wharf is where I have stated it to be at the entrance to the harbour of Seven Islands. Surely I cannot be charged with misleading the committee under these circumstances.


John William Bell: Upon which side of the harbour is it, the east or the west ?


Charles Smith Hyman: On the west side of the harbour.


John William Bell: How far is it from the village of Seven Islands, which I understand is on the east side of the harbour ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The statement was made last year that the wharf is eight or nine miles from the village of Seven Islands.


Samuel Hughes: Well, then, all we have to do' is to get the plans of the department.


Charles Smith Hyman: The plans will not show the position of the wharf on the shore.
Mr. SaM. HUGHES. The plans will have to show where it is on the shore. They cannot show it in open water. I want to tell the hon. minister that if he says the har-254*
hour is on the west side then his statement a little while ago was absolutely unfounded. The hon. minister has made the statement based on the random and vague expressions of some of the officials of the department that this would narrow the entrance to the harbour.


Charles Smith Hyman: The statement I made was that this would narrow the entrance of the harbour and I still maintain that is perfectly correct.


Samuel Hughes: Well, then I will tell the hon. gentleman that his statement is absolutely wrong because the entrance to the harbour is on the southeast side of the bay and not on the west side of the bay, so that he had better look up his geography. I will send the plan over to him if he wants to see it.


Charles Smith Hyman: Well, the hon. gentleman is making the statement.


Samuel Hughes: No, he is not making that statement. He knows what he is talking about.


Mr. TALBOT.: That is something new.


Samuel Hughes: No, as hon. gentlemen know to their cost it is not something new. The hon. member for Burrard (Mr. Maepherson) will know it if he is not very careful. I will take him in hand some of these days and I will endeavour to civilize him a l'ittle.


Mr. MACPHERSON.: He will take care of himself.


Samuel Hughes: He will skip out the same as the hon. member for Hants (Mr. Bussell) did to-day.


Mr. RUSSELL.: The next time the hon. gentleman has anything to say to the member for Hants I hope he will say it when he is in the House and not when His back is turned.


An hon. MEMBER.: Take it back.


Samuel Hughes: I never take anything back. The statement of the hon minister is entirely wrong.


Charles Smith Hyman: The statement is not entirely wrong. The statement is perfectly correct The wharf is built on the west side of the harbour and narrows the entrance of the harbour of Seven Islands.


Samuel Hughes: We will take the statement here, although the engineer has not his plan, which is to the effect that the entrance to the harbour is on the southeast side of the bay and not on the west side. The hon. minister said that it was at the west side.


Charles Smith Hyman: I said from the west side.


Samuel Hughes: The minister did not say from the west side. He said at the west side. However, if he says he said from the west side I suppose I will have to accept his statement although I know what

lie said. He may have meant ' from ' but be said ' on.' I bad the chart in front of me at the time he made his statement. We find that the engineer has never visited the place and has no plan of it. He says that this railway runs along here. I want to see a plan of the harbour and I want to see where the railway line runs. If the railway is surveyed you can get the plans in the railway department. The plans must be registered, if so they must be in the Railway Department, and they will show where this line or railway runs, and also show its relationship to the bay, and we will be able to ascertain then when we see whether there is a dock there at all or not, nobody ever saw the dock.


George Taylor: In view of the information laid before the committee to-night and in view of the statement which I have presented from a pally who says that he knows the facts to be correct as given, it is plain that we were humbugged last year in voting 825,000 on a statement made by the lion. Minister of Public Works which was not in accordance with the facts as represented to the committee to-night. We are now asked to vote $60,000 to carry on this job-it is nothing more or less than a job- which'is being perpetrated so that this amount of money can be given to a company of Americans. The lion. Minister of Jus-lice says that these gentlemen are British subjects although living in New York. Notwithstanding the fact that they are living in New York he says that these men have never become naturalized. Their business is carried on from New York and the hon. Minister of Justice has not contradicted the statement made in that letter.


Mr.   I@: What letter ?


George Taylor: Well, that statement.


Mr. R. F. SUTHERLAND.: It is not a letter.


George Taylor: It is a statement.


William Alfred Galliher: From Mr. Anonymous.


George Taylor: I Will ask the hon. gentleman (Mr. Galliher) to ask the government to grant a commission and this gentleman will prove every statement made there.


William Alfred Galliher: I would expect from a member with the long experience of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Taylor) that he should know more than to stand up in this House and ask a commission on the strength of a statement made by a man who is either ashamed to sign it, or is too big a coward to sign it, or is a liar on the face of it. If this is the kind of statement the hon. gentleman expects a commission should be appointed on, I am afraid that his ideas of the dignity of this House are far below the mark.
Mr. TAYLOR, I have been in the House for twenty-two years, and I know that when the Liberals were in opposition dozens Mr. SAM. HUGHES.
and dozens of charges were made against, the Conservative party on the basis of such statements.


William Alfred Galliher: If that be so, I do not believe in it.


George Taylor: When information of this kind comes to the opposition, it is their duty to bring jt to the attention of the House no matter from what source it comes, and this communication is from a reliable source, "i lie hon. gentleman who placed that in my hand is reliable and he says that if lie is granted a commission he will establish every statement he makes and pay his side of the expense too. This is placed in my hands, as whip of the opposition, telling me it is my duty to bring it before the House, and I assume the duty and responsibility. If the statements there are true, this government ought to be swept from power at once. The Minister of Public Works stated last year when $25,000 was voted that it was in the public interest to build a dock there, but now the government comes forward and says that the Minister of Public Works did not know what he was talking about last year. When this money was voted they paid that company $34,000 and appointed them their agents contrary to the law which says:	that no public money can
be expended over $5,000 unless let by tender, except it is a work of necessity or where in the opinion of that department it can be better done by the officers of the department. Wliat employees of the government are doing this work ? It is done by an American Arm with its office in New York, who have a gang of men building a railway and they are dumping the ballast down the side of a hill and get $1.25 a yard for the filling. And what is the dock for ? Some one said yesterday that a large village was going up in the neighbourhood. Why it is seven miles across. This gentleman says that there is not a man living within seven miles of it, nor a man who will use it except this American pulp company. The Minister of Justice says that the Clarkes, of Toronto, are British subjects,, but they are in New York and have been there for years doing business' with their associates.


Samuel Hughes: I understand the Minister of Justice said that the firm of Mossom, Boyd and Company, of Bobcaygeon, are engaged with this firm.


Charles Fitzpatrick: No. I said they were the owners of the adjoining limits ; that they intend putting up a large pulp mill in the neighbourhood on a power they have in the immediate vicinity ; that this will enable them to export the pulp, and that it is necessary for them to have wharf facilities in this place. That I know from one of the Mr. Boyd's, who told me so himself a year and a half ago or so,

in Quebec, and from the gentleman who acted as his lawyer-I forget his name but lie is a well-lmown lawyer in Toronto.
.Mr. SAM HUGHES. Mr. Wickham ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes. The bon. member for Leeds (Mr. Taylor) says it is the duty of the opposition to bring a matter of this sort before the House. I understand it is the duty of the opposition to discuss the estimates to the full extent, and so far as their criticism as to the manner in which the work is carried on I have nothing to say. But, when the hon. gentleman says it is the duty of the opposition to produce anonymous documents as he has done, it is the duty of a gentleman to deal with such a thing as the member for Grey (Mr. Sproule) has dealt with it.


George Taylor: I produced the documents of a gentleman who was there and knows whereof he speaks. Grant a commission and that gentleman will come forward and substantiate the statements. I accept fully the statement of the Minister of Justice that he lias nothing to do with the legal firm that is engaged in this transaction. But here is the statement made by that gentleman that these negotiations are carried on through the firm of which the Minister of Justice himself admits he is only a member in name. They were carried on through Mr. Parent and the members of his firm, but so far as the Minister of Justice is concerned he certainly was a party to advising the government to put $25,000 in their 'estimates last year and $00,000 this year for this work ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes ?


George Taylor: He must assume the responsibility for that.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Of course I do, and I justify it.


George Taylor: He must assume the statement made by the Minister of Public Works last year when he asked us to vote $25,000 that it was to build a dock down there when that was not true. To-day the acting minister of Public Works states that the government did not build the dock but went to work and negotiated with a firm that had $34,000 expeimed on a private enterprise and, took if off their hands, and allowed that firm to go on building it without public tenders being called for. This work was undertaken, so far as the papers show, without a request from anybody, without a report from /the engineer, without a plan of the work or anything else. And in the face of that it must convince every candid man in the House that the statements made by my hon. friend in that document are absolutely correct, that it is a job and a job of the very worst sort.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Did my hon. friend hear what the hon. member for Grey (Mr. Sproule) said ?


George Taylor: I did.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Does he agree with the member for Grey that the explanation was satisfactory as respects the acquisition of this property by that company ?


George Taylor: Certainly, but is it not correct that this firm through their lawyers, Parent and Company secured these timber limits ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: It is not correct ; it is untrue.


George Taylor: And Parent and Company bought it at auction.


Charles Fitzpatrick: That is not true.


George Taylor: Was Mr. Clarke present ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: I don't know.


George Taylor: Who were the parties representing Clarke that bought that timber in? Clarke was not on the grounds; it was bought by agents and the firm of Parent were the agents that secured it.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Absolutely untrue.


George Taylor: Well, that is what this gentleman says.	.


Charles Fitzpatrick: He doesn't say it.


George Taylor: I accept the statement of the Minister of Justice.


Samuel Hughes: How does the minister know when he is not connected with the firm ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: It is absolutely untrue that any member of the firm would go and buy in that limit.


Samuel Hughes: Why ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: Because one of the members of the firm is the Commissioner of Crown Lands who sold the property.


Samuel Hughes: Would that stick them V


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes ; they have some regard for decencey.


George Taylor: Who bought it ?


Charles Fitzpatrick: If it were bought at public auction, as it must have been, it was bought by some person other than a member of that law firm. I know absolutely nothing about who bought it. and what difference does it make anyway who bought it V


George Taylor: It makes no difference, and I am not saying there is anything wrong in buying the land, and the statement does not say anything about it. But through that firm he acted as agent for this American firm.


Charles Fitzpatrick: I did not.


George Taylor: Well, that is the statement, and we will have it investigated under oath.


Robert Franklin Sutherland: It seems to me that no more contemptible course could be followed in this House than that followed in this debate. An anonymous letter is read


Some hon. MEMBERS: Order.


Robert Franklin Sutherland: What is the point of order ?


Peter Macdonald: The point of order, I understand, is that the hon. member used the word ' contemptible.'


Robert Franklin Sutherland: I think that was a perfectly parliamentary term to apply to this case.


Peter Macdonald: I do not think it is quite parliamentary to use the word ' contemptible.'


Robert Franklin Sutherland: If that is not parliamentary, I will say a course which this House would not care to see followed by any hon. member. An unsigned letter is read, a letter which the writer is afraid to sign, as an honourable man would sign a letter ; the Minister of Justice rises in his place and categorically contradicts it. As soon as he has done that, the member hands the letter to a reporter at the door of. the chamber for the purpose of having it taken into the press gallery and put in the press of the country; while his colleague sitting beside him honourably rises and accepts the explanation of the minister.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Let me ask the hon. member this.


Some hon. MEMBERS: Order.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I am going to ask him a question, with his permission. I was going to ask if it could be seriously objected that a reporter got the letter when the Minister of Justice asked that it be placed on the table of the House, where any one could get it ?


Robert Franklin Sutherland: I am discussing the propriety of a member of the House handing that paper to a reporter after the statements in it had been absolutely contradicted by the Minister of Justice. I say that is a course which no reputable member of the House would take.


Samuel Hughes: Order. Mr. Chairman, I rise to a point of order-


Robert Franklin Sutherland: I say, should take


Samuel Hughes: Order. I rise to a point of order. The hon. gentleman said no reputable member would do as the hon. member for Leeds has done.


George Taylor: 


Peter Macdonald: The hon. gentleman cannot directly impute to a member anything disreputable.


Samuel Hughes: He has done so.


Peter Macdonald: If he has done so, he will kindly withdraw the expression.


Mr.   I@: I say should not take that course. I am not prepared to accept any criticism along that line from the gentleman who rises to correct me, a gentleman who, so far as I have been able to gather during the last few weeks, distinctly lowers the tone of every debate in which he participates.


Samuel Hughes: I am very much pleased with the elucidation the gentleman has given to this subject.


Mr. FIELDING.: Order. I think the hon. member for Colchester (Mr. Gourley) has the floor.


Samuel Hughes: Are you the chairman ?


William Stevens Fielding: I was protecting the right of the hon. member for Colchester.


Samuel Hughes: It has been my privilege to bring into line one or two gentlemen on the other side of the House who forgot what was due to decency and decorum in this House, and there are a couple of others I wish to bring into line.


Edward Arthur Lancaster: 
Samuel Hughes: Might I ask the bon. gentleman, is not the hon. member for North Essex the gentleman who plagiarized the resolution of another member of this House last session ?


Peter Macdonald: The hon. member has no right to say that an hon. member has plagiarized.


Edward Arthur Lancaster: If he got any comfort out of what he wanted to do in that respect, he can have it. The gentleman who promoted the matter to which the hon. member for North Victoria refers succeeded in doing for the people of Canada what he wanted to do after three sessions fighting, and got the support of the hon. member for North Essex afterwards. Whether it was right or wrong for that hon. member to endeavour to take credit for what he was not entitled to and had opposed until then is a different matter. That is all over now, the people got their rights, and they know whom to thank for them. But the people will not thank any hon. member of this House for turning away from the issue before the chair, which is the expenditure of a large sum of money for works for which the original vote of parliament was not intended. Speaking for myself, as a humble member of this House, but representing a somewhat important constituency, which pays a large share of taxes to the general funds of the country, I am not satisfied to pass this vote as it stands. As the issue is before the chair at this moment, I feel that this item ought to be struck out, and I shall be obliged, if it 'is pressed, to vote for the motion for the hon. member for Leeds. I do not care whether the hon. member for Leeds reads a letter that is not signed, or a memorandum or a statement ; I do not care what he says is the source of his information. He stands in his place in this House and says he has certain information. What does it matter whether that information is in a letter, the.writer of which has not given the permission to use his name, or has come within his knowledge in any other way ? I cannot understand why hon. gentlemen opposite are tumbling over each other to find excuses for voting this money through.
I cannot see how that fact can alter the question before the House, and that question is whether the allegations stated in this paper are true. What difference does it make who wrote that letter, or whether that letter was signed by one man or another ? The member who produced the letter has told the House that he is satisfied the statements are true and should be investigated. That hon. gentleman is surely not anonymous. He stands on his feet and makes an assertion and is courteous enough to state the source of his information although not obliged to. He says it is from a reputable gentleman whose name he is not at liberty to divulge at this particular moment. But these gentlemen opposite are disappointed and want to go off on a tangent, and quarrel about whether that gentleman who wrote that document should have his name disclosed on this particular occasion or be produced when the commission is granted. If the government have good reasons for wanting this item to go_ through, they can always give them. If they have information to show that the statements made by the hon. gentleman who wrote that letter are not true, they can give it. They can produce the reports asked for from the engineers, the plans made by the architects or engineers showing the necessity of the work, if they have such reports and plans, and they can explain, what they have not done at all yet-not that I have noticed, at all events-how it 'is that this grant was asked for last year on an entirely different condition of things from this year, and how it is that a much larger amount is asked for this year in addition to what was voted last session. The people of this country do not want the public money voted under false pretense. I do not mean to use [DOT]that word in any insulting or improper way, but it amounts to a false pretense to ask parliament to vote the people's money in order that we may build a certain work, employ laboui'ers doing work for the King, and build this work as a government work, start it from the beginning and make it a government work, and then after that money is obtained on that representation use ii, to buy from somebody else some work that the government say will do as a substitute and pay an extravagant price for what is apparently supposed to have been done in that connection. The government should have known last year what they were going to do. I presume they thought they were going to do what they asked for. I presume they thougnt they were going to build the wharf when they got that grant; and if they have changed their policy, they should be able to give more information than they have given as to their reasons for the change and show what necessity there was for acquiring from these people-who are practically Americans and not Canadians, who are practically people belonging to the adjoining republic and not to Canada at all-a transfer of their property without any benefit whatever coming to the people of Canada. We are too fond of voting away the public money just for the mere sake of voting it away. We should only vote away money when it is go,ng to do the Dominion good, it any money is asked to be voted which is not going to give full value to the people for every dollar voted, we should not vote it. There is no use in our voting money for the mere sake of voting it. If it is not going to benefit the people, there is no reason for voting It. Hon. gentlemen, particularly on the government side, appear to forget that they should first prove the benefit Canada is going to get from an expenditure before voting it, and it has not been shown that Canada will get one particle of benefit from this expen-

diture. We can assume, from the evidence before the House, meagre as it is, that these people from New York city are going to get some benefit. And by a strained construction we may assume that as they are doing the work in Canada somebody in Canada will do the work and get part of the benefit in the wages from them for doing it. But that is not what we are voting money for. We are voting money because the work will be of some benefit to Canada, and until the government can show it is of some advantage to the people. I am not prepared to vote for this expenditure.
Mr. TAYLOR, The hon. member for Essex (Mr. R. F. Sutherland) took occasion to rise and criticise my conduct as an hon. member of this House, because I read a statement which has been placed in my hands by a responsible party, and he said that the Minister of Justice categorically denied every statement in that paper. Well, I am going to take every statement in it, and put tiie question to the hon. minister with respect to each one whether he will deny or admit it. What is the first statement? It is this :
I refer to the operations of the company known as the North Shore Power, Railway and Navigation Company, a body corporate and politic, with head office in New York.
Did the minister deny that statement ? The writer of this paper did not say whether they were Canadians or Americans. This statement does not say so.


Charles Fitzpatrick: Yes, it does.


An hon. MEMBER.: It says a lot of New York adventurers.


Charles Fitzpatrick: American adventurers.


George Taylor: That does not say they are living in New York. My hon. friend says they are living there but never foreswore their allegiance. The writer of this paper does not say they are American or British subjects.
I think they have an office in Quebec, for which the firm of Mr. Fitzpatrick is counsel.
Does the hon. gentleman deny that statement ? Then the writer says :
Anyway, it was that hon. gentleman who got tliis company its charter and has ever since watched over it with fatherly care.
Was he the hon. gentleman who got that company its charter ? Did he deny that ?


Robert Franklin Sutherland: What would that have to do with the question ?


George Taylor: The hon. member for Essex (Mr. R. F. Sutherland) said that the Minister of Justice denied categorically every statement.


Robert Franklin Sutherland: And I repeat that he did, in so far as it affected the case.
Mr. LANCASTER


George Taylor: The statement you made- and ' Hansard ' will prove it-was that the Minister of Justice denied categorically every statement made. I have given two already which he did not deny.
Some two years ago, this aggregation of New York adventurers

He does not say living in New York, hut that the'ir head office is in New York. The only contention of the Minister of Justice was that these gentlemen had not foresworn their allegiance. But if they are living in New York, they may be New York adventurers ail the same. Then the writer says :
Through the efforts of Fitzpatrick's firm, of which Mr. Parent, premier of Quebec, is a member, secured a tract of timber and pulp wood lands.
The statement of the Minister of Justice in answer to this was that the only way land can be secured in the province of Quebec Is at public auction. That may be the case, and they may have secured them at public auction. The lands may have been put up at public sale, and they may have had an agent buy them in for the firm. This firm did not attend tlie sale and buy themselves, so I am informed, but they were bought by an agent. The Minister of Justice explained, and I accept bis explanation, that the lands were sold at public auction.


Mr. BUREAU.: That is the law.


George Taylor: Some one bought them for this firm.
Secured a tract of timber and pulpwood lands, situated on the river Ste. Marguerite, about 300 miles below Quebec. After this, they purchased for a nominal sum, the water power of the River Ste. Marguerite.
The Minister of Justice did not say whether they did or not. The statement is that they purchased the water power there at a nominal sum, and that .statement the Minister of Justice did not contradict.
For this purpose, it was necessary to have an outlet on Seven Islands Bay, so a railroad about nine or ten miles long, running from the first falls of the Ste. Marguerite to Seven Islands Bay was projected-but I understand it is not yet finished-all the rolling stock of which has been allowed in free of duty.
Did the Minister 'of Justice reply to that ? Did lie say whether it was or was not true ? That this company got its rolling stock in free of duty V


Charles Fitzpatrick: Absurd.


George Taylor: The minister did not contradict the statement that they got the charter, that they built this short road and that they got their rolling stock in free of duty. And yet. the hon. member for North Essex (Mr. R. F. Sutherland) said that he contradicted every statement and charge made.

-but this is not the first feature, from a public standpoint, of the ' encouragement,' that has been extended to this ' infant industry.' A deep water terminus was necessary, so this company set to work to build a wharf

Did the minister contradict that statement or say whether this company had begun to build this wharf for themselves or not ? The statement made by the Minister of Public Works to-day is that they began (o build it and expended 834.000 upon it.
-by extending out in the bay. a rock embankment from the excavations along the line of railway to a distance of about eight hundred feet, or to a depth of about ten or twelve feet of water, where the first section of a timber wharf about two hundred feet long and thirty feet wide was placed, and filled up to low water with stone from the excavation. This much was accomplished last year; but towards the close of the season the North Shore Power, Railway and Navigation Company discovered that they had undertaken an expensive experiment, and ways and means were discussed to induce the government to undertake the expense of providing this company with the wharf and terminal facilities for their own business ; and, strange as it may seem, the Department of Public Works have taken over and paid for all the work and material supplied by this company on account of the terminal facilities required for its own use.
There is another statement that the Minister of Justice (l'iil not deny. And the acting Minister of Public Works (Mr. Hyman) proves that the statement is correct.
There is not a habitation1 or living man residing within miles of this wharf, and no person will ever use it, but this pulp proposition if it ever is finished.
Did the hon. minister contradict that statement ? We were told last year that there was a village growing up aronnd there, and yet this sentence says that there is not a habitation within miles.
I understand this scheme was worked last' year by the 'Hon. ' Charley ' Fitzpatrick, who induced the Minister of Public Works to put an item in the estimates ($25,000) for a w'harf at Seven Islands.
Twenty-five thousand dollars was in the estimates last year and the House voted the money on the statement made by the Minister of Public Works (Mr. James Sutherland). who is not now present. Who induced him to put that 825,000 in the estimates ? We have no correspondence on the subject before us. The Minister of Justice is the member of the cabinet for that district, and no doubt it is through him. as stated here, that the item was put in the estimates by the Minister of Public Works, if there is any correspondence on the subject it is not brought down. Is it not fair to assume that the Minister of Justice must have been consulted in reference to this 825.000 that was voted last year ? The Minister of Justice did not contradict that and did not say that he was not a party, with the Minister of Public Works, to pnting this item of 825,000 in the estimates of last year. The hon. minister has not contradicted a single statement made here, except that he is not a member of the firm of Parent & Oo. I accept that statement of course. But this document does not say that these timber limits were bought in any but an honourable way-
Then during the present session of parliament an appropriation of $60,000 has been asked-
And it will hardly he said that the hon. minister contradicted that statement for we have this item of $60,000 now before ns to carry out this scheme not in the interest of the country but in the interest of this pulp company.
-making it all so far $85,000 to aid a scheme that is no earthly use to any one outside the aggregation comprising this pulp syndicate.
Did the Minister of Justice say that this expenditure would benefit anybody else ? He says that it will make a harbour. But there Is a harbour there, and building a dock will not improve the harbour in any way. It is wot put there for the purpose of the harbour, for vessels that are under stress of weather can go in there now and anchor and so avoid the storm. The only reason for building the dock is that vessels may go there and take away the pulp wood, as was intended by the company when they began to build this work. Every one thought that the Minister of Public Works last year was making correct statements, and yet we find the facts to be different from what we understood them to be from his explanation. I have read this document, and it will be seen that the minister has not contradicted categorically or otherwise' any statement except that lie is not n member of the firm of Parent & Co., but he cannot say that he is not counsel for this company and that they were not the parties who got this charter. And so in every respect it is seen that the statement of the hon. member for North Essex is not correct.


Robert Franklin Sutherland: I will only say, in answer to the remarks of the hon. member for South Leeds (Mr. Taylor), that the whole tone of his address after reading that document would convey the impression that in some underhand and improper way the Minister of Justice or his friends had given' a benefit to these people, and I said that categorically the minister had denied every such imputation.


George Taylor: I did not lay it at the door of the Minister of Justice, hut I say that it is done by the government. But the evidence as we have it here, including the statements made by the Minister of Public Works last year and by the acting Minister of Public Works this year, can lead to no other conclusion but that there is a job behind this vote. And it will he the duty of 1 the opposition now, and in concurrence if

we are voted down In committee, and in tlie country if we are voted down in this House, to fight this vote as one of the most nefarious jobs ever perpetrated by this government.


Andrew B. Ingram: When this vote was asked for last year it was granted under an explanation of policy made by the Minister of Public Works (Mr. James Sutherland). That hon. gentleman said that his policy would be, in carrying out any new work, to carry it out by contract after publicly calling for tenders, and that he would lay before this House a proper estimate, made by the engineer of his department, of the cost of the work, so that hon. members on both sides might know what they were voting for. Now, if hon. gentlemen will read ' Hansard ' of last year, they will see that the House was led to believe that the money then voted was to be spent upon an entirely new work. There is no question about that. But something has leaked out since to prove that the work was not a new work. Within a week after the money was granted last year there was a demand made by the North Shore Power and Navigation Company for $34,000 for work done by that company. Now what I ask-and I ask it in all fairness because I do not wish to discuss this matter in a carping way-is, where is the correspondence that took place before this demand for $34,000 was made ? There must have been such correspondence and we as members of this House are entitled to see it. The fact that the government did not carry out the work by contract, and the tact that they did not let the House know that a part of the work had been done, is sufficient evidence to any reasonable man that there is something wrong. There was concealment. Whether that concealment can be justified or not, I do not know, but concealment itself indicates that there was something wrong. Now, what have we at this moment ? We have an item for $00,000 more, and we are asked to vote that $60,000 directly in the face of the statement made by the hon. gentleman who was then Minister of Public Works (Mr, James Sutherland) and who, I understand, is still Minister of Public Works, and for whom my hon. friend (Mr. Hyman) is acting at this moment.
That is the public impression, that is our impression, and we have never been notified to the contrary. That being the case, we are still under the old system as inaugurated by that hon. gentleman and we have a right to assume that this work should have been carried out by contract instead of in the way it has been carried out. Will the hon. gentleman who Is administering the department now tell the House that Mr. Sutherland has nothing to do with the Public Works Department and that this is a new system he is going to carry out himself to have work of this character and of this Mr. TAYLOR.
magnitude $85,000 done by day labour or under the supervision of a company over whom we have no control ? If that is the case tile sooner we know it the better. For my part I have listened carefully to this discussion and I cannot make up my mind to support this item without some information that is being concealed at this moment. The minister has not told us that his engineer has inspected this work. I infer it was the engineer of this North Shore Navigation Company that did this work ; it certainly was not an engineer of the department. That being true we were certainly misled last session because the work was partially done by a private company and you must take into consideration that you are inaugurating a peculiar system. I care not what limits are in question or who purchased these limits, but I ask are the people of Canada going to vote money to every- company who choose to buy timber limits anywhere, who choose to start in to build a wharf for their own accommodation? Are we to accept the word of an engineer whom they have instructed to da that work? Are we to take the opinion of any engineer other than the engineer of the Public Works Department who is responsible to this House through the minister, for every report he may make ? I must say to the hon. minister that we have a right to get more information than he has given to-night m connection with this. We have a right to get that portion of the information which is being withheld, whether intentionally or not I do not know. We have a right to see the correspondence that led to this demand for $34,000. If hon. gentlemen in asking the $25,000 had told the committee candidly and frankly :	The reason we are asking this
$25,000 is that a certain company has started to build a wharf, that we believe they are doing right and we want the $25,000 to help to recoup them for the money they have expended on this wharf and next year we may ask an additional sum-if that statement had been made on that occasion there would have been no reason for this discussion to-night. I for one, will not vote for the item of $60,000, thus making a total expenditure of $8o,000, until the necessary information is brought down.
Amendment (Mr. Taylor) negatived, yeas 21, nays 35.


Samuel Hughes: I want the minister in all fairness to hold the item over until the plans are brought down. We have come to the conclusion that we have been too easy in taking the word of ministers 'in reference to such works as this and the similar work at Grande Vallee. If it can be shown that this harbour will be useful as a harbour of refuge I am satisfied that the opposition will not hesitate to vote this sum. Will the minister undertake to bring the plans over ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The item I think has been sufficiently discussed. The committee is aware that for the Public Works estimates there are hundreds of plans and to bring over the plans in connection with each work would be simply Impossible. If the hon. gentleman, will pass the item I have no objection to-moi'row to let the hon. gentleman see the plan.
Colonization roads in Manitoba and Northwest Territories, $25,000.


Andrew B. Ingram: Would the hon. gentleman give us an idea of where they are to be constructed ?


Charles Smith Hyman: This item appears in the estimates at the request of the Department of the Interior, the reason being that set-tiers are coming in very fast and these roads are necessary to permit settlers to reach Dominion lands. The localities which it is proposed to serve are as follows : Northwest Territories, road from Athabasca river to Lesser Slave lake to be re-opened and improved, road from head of Lesser Slave lake to Peace river to be further improved at an estimated cost of $15,000 ; road to be opened and improved from a point near Sprague northwards for a few miles on the route which is followed by immigrants coming into Canada from Minnesota at an estimated cost of $2,000 ; road between lake Winnipeg and lake Manitoba to accommodate new settlers going into that country, $3,000 ; road to be graded from a point on the Prince Albert branch of the Canadian Northern Railway west of Erwood to a point north of Carrot river, $5,000.


Mr. BLAIN.: How will this money be expended ? Will there be contracts let or will men be put on the work ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I do not know that the question has occupied the attention of the officers of the department as to whether contracts will be let or not. I fancy it will be a somewhat difficult matter in regard to the smaller amounts to let contracts for roads of this character as naturally the drawing up of the plans would render it almost impossible to get contractors for the roads. I have no doubt that a certain amount of work will be done by contract, but I do not know whether or not all of it can be done by contract.


Samuel Hughes: In regard to the road to the Peace river I suppose that is to re-open the old road built at the time of the Yukon excitement. I am satisfied, that if the hon. minister makes inquiries from persons who are competent to judge he will find that the road is not put in the best locality. The road from Athabasca river to Lesser Slave Lake is built through a rough and hilly country. A much better route will be found farther west and one which is much more along the line of future settlement. Is it intended to build this road to
the head or foot of Lesser Slave lake ? The hon. minister is making two roads when there should be only one road to the Peace river country. People going into that country will travel either by wagon or by boat. Ii they travel by boat they will not go by way of this road at all. They will go down the Athabasca river and then up the Peace river. If they are going by wagon they will go across country from the Athabasca river and then down the Peace river. If they are going by wagon they will get nearer to the mountains than the road which the hon. minister outlines here. I know what I am speaking about and I am satisfied that if the hon. minister consults any person who travels in that part of the country and who is familiar with the conditions there, he will find that the statement which I make is borne out. From Athabasca river at Fort Assini-boine, he can get a very , good road through a good country to Peace river and then if he wants to branch down to the lower Peace he can go down by water or by the road. The first road known as the Edmonton Trail was not built in a good locality.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I thought that all these expenditures in the Northwest were made through the Northwest Council. I think they have usually built these roads and that we have voted the money. Is it not intended to use this money in fhe same way ? Are we commencing to build roads independent of the Northwest Council ?


Charles Smith Hyman: In a general sense that is the case, but in this particular case I am advised by the Department of the Interior that the object of the construction of these roads is to reach fertile districts and to enable settlers to get through. These districts are very sparsely settled at the present time and the Department of the Interior have recommended that it is in the interest of the Dominion in order to enable them to open up these lands that the Dominion shall make these small expenditures.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: That is not the part that I am questioning at all. My question is : How will the money be spent ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The money will be spent by this department.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Will it not be spent by the Northwest Council ?


Charles Smith Hyman: No, it will be spent by the department.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: We are to commence spending money that heretofore has been spent through the Northwest Council ?


Charles Smith Hyman: In this case.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: This is a departure from the policy which the government have followed for some years back ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I have stated that this is an exceptional case. This vote is put in at the request of the Department of the In-

terior. There are certain Dominion lands which are valuable, and for the purpose of enabling settlers to reach these lands it is necessary to construct these roads. Our information is that the settlers are going in at a very rapid rate, but the country is very sparsely settled at present. In so far as this vote is concerned we are departing to that extent from the general policy of allowing the roads to be built by the Council of the Northwest Territories. The lands are .Dominion lands and the Northwest Council do not care to assume these particular expenditures. This government consider it to be in the interest of the country that these roads ^hould he built so as to open up lands which are owned by the Dominion.


Hr. BOYD.: It seems to me that as far as Manitoba is concerned the hon. minister has made the explanation very nicely. It is a rather unusual departure on the part of the government to commence building colonization roads in a province such as Manitoba and I think the government are establishing a dangerous precedent when they begin colonization roads through an organized province. The information that has been given to me is that in three cases each one of these amounts is to be expended in a way that is going to be a benefit to the candidates of the government who are now in the field.


Charles Smith Hyman: In the absence of my colleague the hon. Minister of the Interior (Mr. Sifton) I am going to ask that the matter stand.


Nathaniel Boyd: The information I have is that there is a certain foreign vote in the localities which are to be traversed by these roads and that the object of spending the money is for the reason 1 have given. It is a most extraordinary departure to undertake to spend the money of this government in that way and we ask that if you are going to spend money spend it in some proper way.


Samuel Hughes: Give it to the Manitoba government.


Nathaniel Boyd: Give it to the Manitoba government and give it to the territorial government. If yon spend it there, why should you not be called upon to do the same thing in every part of Manitoba, or in Ontario, or in any part of Canada ? I do not know any person who could have placed it before the House in a nicer way, hut it does not alter the case as I have stated it to the committee.


Andrew B. Ingram: I do not view this item with very much favour and I do not believe that the people of the organized provinces of this Dominion will look upon it with very much favour.


Nathaniel Boyd: We know well enough what they are doing it for.


Charles Smith Hyman: 


Andrew B. Ingram: We know what the idea is, hut we know it is a thing that should not be encouraged. We have organized provinces in the Dominion who look after then-roads and bridges ; and we pay a sum of money to the government of the Northwest Territories to administer the Northwest Territories. If they want $25,000 for building roads, this government should let them expend that as they expend the other money voted to them, if this system is allowed, tlie government will not hear the last of it. Our sessions are long enough now, hut if matters of this kind are introduced they will be extended. I am anxious to close the session, blit I will stay here to prevent this kind of thing. If this money goes to the Northwest Territories' government I have no objection.


Mr. SCOTT.: So far as the Territories are concerned, this is not a precedent, because money was voted for this very road by this parliament five or six years ago.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Which road ?


Thomas Walter Scott: One of the roads mentioned by the minister.


Charles Smith Hyman: Athabasca river to Slave lake.
Mr. SPRuULE. Who spent the money 1


Thomas Walter Scott: 1 think the money was put in the hands of the Northwest Public Works Department.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Yes.


Thomas Walter Scott: And the vote was made in this way. There is nothing to prevent the system being followed.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: We have voted money every year for this purpose, and the vote was introduced by the Minister of the Interior, but the money went to the Northwest assembly and the work done under their control, hut now we are taking it out of their control.
'Mr. HYMAN. I simply asked the vote to stand in the absence of the Minister of the Interior. I said the department had no policy in the matter.


Andrew B. Ingram: You said the Public Works Department was going to expend it.


Charles Smith Hyman: I think you will find In ' Hansard ' that I merely said I presumed so.


Andrew B. Ingram: I will apologize if the minister did not say that his department would expend this money.


Charles Smith Hyman: I did not intend to say so, and I think you will find that I did not make the statement. There will be a full explanation if you allow the item to stand until the Minister of the Interior, at whose request it was introduced, is here.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: When 1 asked if that were the policy of the government the minister said that it was a departure from their former policy, and that the Pubjic Works Department would expend it, but now he says the government have no policy.


Charles Smith Hyman: I think it is a departure, because you do not find every year items of this kind.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Yes, you do.


Mr.   HYMAJST@: Was there an expenditure last year in Manitoba ?


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I am speaking of the Territories.


Charles Smith Hyman: I was speaking in reference to the whole item.


Samuel Hughes: When the item comes up again would the minister let us know where that road runs from North Erwood, and- why they are building a road there ?


Charles Smith Hyman: I will call the attention of the Minister of the Interior to the bon. gentleman's remarks.
River St. Lawrence ship channel-to make good the damage to the dredge ' J. I. Tarte,' $65,000.


Charles Smith Hyman: There was an accident attended unfortunately by loss of life and we require four new boilers for the dredge which were purchased by contract at $36,-,S00 and the total cost is $65,000.


Samuel Hughes: Was there an inquiry ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes, but I do not wish to make a statement for the reason that there are some suits pending against the government and it might be used.


Samuel Hughes: What class of boilers ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Scotch boilers.


Richard Blain: Are they manufactured in Canada ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes, the contract is let to Canadians and they will be made in Toronto.
Eideau Hall and grounds-repairs and improvements, $600.


Samuel Hughes: What are these ?


Charles Smith Hyman: These are repairs required in consequence of the fire.


Samuel Hughes: People have drawn attention to the dilapidated condition of the sidewalk down there. Why not put in a granolithic walk?
Bayfield harbour-extension of southern pier, $1,600.


Richard Blain: How much has been expended altogether at Bayfield ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The total amount of the contract was $6,440. There has been an expenditure of $4,458.42, and there is a balance of $1,600, making a'total expenditure of $6,141.42.


Richard Blain: What interest does this serve ?


Charles Smith Hyman: It Is a vote asked for to close the contract that was entered into. Full particulars were asked for and given at the time.
Collingwood harbour improvement, $6,050.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: We wanted to get some information about Cdllingwood harbour. We wanted to know what was the cost of that dock and how was the estimate made ?


Charles Smith Hyman: The report of the engineer of the government is that the cost was $545,000.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Has the engineer made a report on that ?


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Will that report be brought down ?
Mr, HYMAN. Yes. we will have it brought down and it may be discussed on the further supplementaries.
Depot harbour, dredging, $11,200.


Samuel Hughes: What is the explanation of that ?


Charles Smith Hyman: This is dredging around the wharf so as to make the depth of water twenty feet. It is a government wharf.
River Otonabee, dredging at Peterborough, $410.


Samuel Hughes: What is this for ? These waters for some purposes are under the control of the Railway Department and for some under Public Works.


Charles Smith Hyman: For canal purposes they are under the Railway Department and for some under Public Works.


Samuel Hughes: I suppose the channel wants to be enlarged.


Charles Smith Hyman: That would be Public Works.


Samuel Hughes: A great deal of work requires to be done in Victoria county.


Charles Smith Hyman: Yes, and it is necessary work.
Sidney harbour breakwater, British Columbia, $3,000.


Mr. EARLE.: Does that complete the construction of the breakwater ?


Charles Smith Hyman: There is a further vote in the estimates. This is to complete the work down to the 30th of June, 1904.


Thomas Earle: What is the total cost ?
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8023	COMMONS	8024
'Mr. HYMAN. The toal cost up to the present is $13,000. The estimated cost is $16,000.
Pelee Island, Ont., cable connection with mainland, to complete payment lor repairs, $1,150.


Andrew B. Ingram: How is that cable operated ?


Charles Smith Hyman: It is operated by telephone by -the government.
Telegraph lines-Qu'Appelle-Edmonton section-loop line from a point between Bresay-lor and Onion Lake stations to Lloydmlnster, $1,500.


Mr.   SAM@: HUGHES, Are you changing the line ?


Charles Smith Hyman: This is a line that makes a loop from the main line and back to the main line.
Some resolutions reported.
Mr. FIELDING moved the adjournment of the House.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: What will we take up on Monday ?


William Stevens Fielding: A number of Bills and then probably Militia estimates and Railways and Canals and there is quite a number of odd items yet to be passed.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to, and House adjourned at 12.03 a.in. Saturday.

[Stage Direction]
From the Sixth day of July to the Twenty-ninth day of July, inclusive.
Abbreviations of well known words and Parliamentary expressions are used in the following :-1°, 2°, 3°, First Reading, Second Reading, Third Reading; 3 m. h., 6 m. h., G w. b., Three Months' Hoist, Six Months' Hoist, Six Weeks' Hoist without remarks or debate ; Accts., Accounts; Adjn., Adjourn;'Adjd., Adjourned; Amt., Amendment; Amts., Amendments; Amalg., Amalgamation; Ans., Answer; Ass., Assurance; B., Bill; B.C., British Columbia; Can., Canada or Canadian; C.P.R., Canadian Pacific Railway ; Com., Committee ; Co., Company ; Cone., Concur, Concurred, Concurrence ; Consd., Consider; Consdn., Consideration ; Cor., Correspondence ; Deb., Debate; Dept., Department; Depts., Departments ; Div., Division ; Dom., Dominion ; Govt., Government; His Ex., His Excellency the Governor General; Hse., House ; H. of C., House of Commons ; Incorp., Incorporation ; Ins., Insurance ; I.C.R., Intercolonial Railway; Man., Manitoba; Mess., Message; M., Motion; m., moved. Neg., Negatived; N,B., New Brunswick ; N.W.T., North-west Territories; N.S., Nova Scotia ; O.C., Order in Council; Ont., Ontario ; P.E.I., Prince Edward Island ; P.O., Post Office ; Par., Paragraph; Prop., Proposed ; Q., Quebec ; Ques., Question ; Reeom., Recommit; Ref., Refer, Referred, Reference ; Rep., Report, Reported ; Reps., Reports ; Res., Resolution ; Ret., Return ; Ry., Railway ; Rys., Railways ; Sel., Select; Sen., Senate; Sp., Special; Stmnt., Statement; Sup., Supply; Suppl., Supplement, Supplementary; Wthdn., Withdrawn; Wthdrl., Withdrawal; Y.N., Yeas and Nays; Names in italics and parentheses are those of the mover.
Alcorn, Geo. D., Prince Edward, Ont.
* Militia Act Amt. B. 5 (Sir Frederick Borden), in Com., 6394 (iv).
Militia Act, Command vested in King (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6404 (iv).
' Armstrong, J. E., East Lambton.
Coal Oil Bounties, re Official Inspector (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6173 (iv).
Cold Storage on Allan Strs., re Atlantic Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6191' (iv).
Guysborough Election and Political Interference re I.C.R. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6107 (iv).
I.C.R., Political Appointments (remarks, in Com. of Sup., 6111 (iv).
Barker, Sami.-Con.
West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B, SO (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6103 (iv).
Bell, A. C., Pictou.
Auditor General, Resignation, &c., on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Halifax), to Sup., 6608 (iv).
Guysborough Election, Political Interference re I.C.R. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6026, 6086 (iv).
P.E.I. Ry., Pay of Labourers (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6224 (iv).
River John Mail Contract, Inquiry for Papers, 6024 (iv).
Supply :
Mail Subsidies and SS. . Subventions (G.B.
and Canada), 6156, 6164 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings, Quebec (Valley-field), 7972; Harbours and Rivers, -Ontario (Sarnia, dredging), 7856; (Sault Ste. Marie, dredging), 7857; (Southampton), 7857; (Thornbury), 7863; Quebec (Seven Islands wharf), 7828, 7973; (Three Rivers wharf), 7840 (iv).
Railways

I.C.R. (additional sidings), 6289; (working expenses), 6026 (iv).
Tobacco Duty, Excise andl Customs, Amount paid, 1903-4 (Ques.), 6546 (iv).
Bennett, W. H., East Simcoe.
Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick), in Com., 7651 (.iv).
Guysborough Election, Political Interference re I.C.R. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6035 (iv).
'Barker, Sami., Hamilton.
Auditor General, Resignation, &c., on Amt.
(Mr. Borden, Halifax), to Sup., 6615 (iv). Cornwall Canal, Lighting Contract, O.C.'s asked for, 6150 (iv).
G.T.Ry. Arbitration (additional powers) B.
152 (Mr. Fitzpatrick), in Com., 7673 (iv). I.C.R., Bridges, Cost of Strengthening (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6265 (iv).

Windsor Junction and Halifax, Double
Track, &e. (remarks), 6263 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: ii
Bennett, W. H.-Con.
Jackson, J. B., Appnrnt. as Commercial Agent in Eng. (remarks) on iM. tor Sup., 7798 (iv).
Midland Dock, Rental of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7764 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 
Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7652 (iv).
Dredging in Ont., Summary of Expenditures asked for, 7875 (iv).
" Fielding " Dredge, Cost of Building (remarks) in Com of Sup., 7881 (iv).
Freight Discrimination re Atlantic Fast Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6207 (iv).
I.C.R. Employees and Political Interference in Elections (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6049, 6128 (iv).	.
Mail Contracts between Can. and G. B., and New York Route (remarks), in Com. of Sup., 6161, 6200 (iv).
Nova Scotia Harbours and Rivers, Summary of amounts expended in Estimates (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7648 (iv).
Political Interference re Govt. Employees, (Letter of Hon. Wm. Ross (read) 6062 (iv).
Port Credit Dredging, &c. (remarks), in Com. of Sup., 7888 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in 'Com., 6702, 6729, 7548 (iv).
Ross, Hon. Wm., Personal Explanation re Dennis Eagan's Letter (remarks) 7545 (iv).
Supply:
Canals-Galops (channel completion) 6343; (enlargement) 6303: Grenville (wharf) 6866;
* Lachine (electric installation) 6826; North Channel (dam., &c.) 6318; Sault Ste Marie (construction) 6819; Soulanges (workshops, &c.) 6864; Welland (electric plant) 6354, 6797; (Port Colborne deepening) 6362, 6812. Civil Govt.-Trade and Commerce (salaries) 6151 (iv).
Indians-P.E.I. (medical attendance) 6941 ;
(relief and seed grain) 6938 (iiv).
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (Can. and G. B.) 6161; (St. John and Glasgow) 6213 (iv).
Blain, R.-Con.
Supply-Con.	,
Miscellaneous (" J. I. Tarte," damage to dredge) 8021 (iv).
Ocean and River Service (damages to perishable goods, P. E. I.) 7595 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings, Dom. (heating, &c.) 7631; Yukon (repairs, &c.) 7632 (iv). Public Works-Dredging, B.C., (new plant) 7885; Ont. (new plant) 7881; Ont. and Que. (plant) 7886 (iv).	.
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers, Dom. (repairs, &c.) 7851; N.B. (Hopewell Cape) 7748; N. S. (Bayfield harbour) 7635; (Breton Cove boat landing) 7637; (Digby pier) 7637; (Fort Lawrence pier) 7638; (George-ville wharf) 7638; (Glace Bay) 7640; (Neil's Harbour) 7643; (Pembroke wharf) 7644; (Port Hawkesbury) 7644 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers, Ont. (Barry's Bay) 7751; (Bayfield wharf) 8021; (Burlington channel) 7751; (Depot Harbour) 7753; (Goderich harbour) 7755; (Honors wharf) 7851; (Pembroke' wharf) 7854; ('Port Colborne) 7897; (Port Perry dredging (7854; (Spanish River) 7861 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-P.E.I.
(West Point wharf) 7744, (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and 'Rivers-Que. (Grand Vallee pier) 7770; (Lake St. John dredging) 7775; (Laprairie ice piers') 7775; (Lotbiniere wharf) 7776'; (Riviere du Loup) 7782; (S't. Godfroi de Nouvelle) 7782; (St. Jean des Chaillons) 7782; Roads and Bridges (Colonization Roads, Mail, and N.W.T.) 8017 (iv).
Railways-I.C.R. (bridge strengthening), . 6269; (Windsor branch), 6219 (iv).
Voters' Lists, Printing and Distribution, &c. (Ques.), 6885 (iv).
Blanchet, J. B., St. Byacinthe.


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com. on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6759 (iv).
Borden, Hon. Sir Frederick, K. C. M. G., (Minister of Militia and Defence), King's, N.S. Defence Committee in London, Tels. from Lord Minto and Mr. Chamberlain (read), 6366 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, on Inquiry for Papers, 6023 (iv).


 on M. for Sup., 7684, 7689 (iv).

 Original Gazette laid' on Table, 7785.

 Papers laid on. Table, 6464 (iv).
Militia Act Amt. (B. 5), in Com., 6365, 6464, 6467, 6540.
Militia Bill, Reprinting, &c. (remarks) 6882. "Military Gazette" (Canadian) and Govt. Patronage (remarks), 7906 (iv).
Militiamen not on Duty, Under Control of Minister, &e. (remarks), 7732 (iv).
Musketry School Camp, Taxes re Clubs, &c. (remarks), 6551 (iv).
*Ross Rifle Contract, Tests, &c. (Ans.) 6887. Sydney Strike, Withdrawal of Militia (remarks) 6806 (iv).

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Borden, R. L., Halifax.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: Understanding re Discussion (remarks),
7540 (iv).
Dog-Fish Pest, Rep. of Commissioners, Inquiry for, 6928 (iv).


Dorn.   E@:  Evidence of C. M. Hays, before Judge
Winchester re Letter to Prime Minister of 16th June (remarks), 6292 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, &c., on M. for Sup., 7692, 7721 (iv).

Inquiry for Papers, 6013, 6263 (iv).
Guysborough Election ^nd I.C.R. Employees &e., Ref. of Mr. Sinclair to " heelers " (remarks), in Com. of Sup., 6105 (iv).
Harbours and Rivers, N.S., Amounts expended, Completed Works, &c., Statement asked for, 7648 (iv).
Indian Timber cut on Reserves (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6934 (iv).
I.C.R. Employees and Political Interference in Elections (remarks) in: Com. of Sup., 6052,

 Political Appointments (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6109 (iv).

 Control of Patronage (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6109 (iv).
Jackson, J. B., Appmnt. as Commercial Agent, Charges re (amt.) on M. for Sup., 7822; Neg. (Y. 43; N. 70) 7827 (iv).
Judges, Appnmt. of, on Ques. of Order re Mr. Russell, M.'P., 7944 (iv).
McIntosh, Mr. John, Late M.P., Decease of (remarks), 6547 (iv).
'Milford Ry. Accident, Damages, &c. (remarks), in Com. of Sup., 6142 (iv).


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Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 
Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 102 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) on Sen. Amts, 6889 (iv).
Supply Bill, One-fifth Vote of Estimates, Procedure, &c. (remarks), 6638 (iv).


Supply B.: 156 (Mr. Fielding) on M. for 1% 6784 (iv).
Supply :
Administration of Justice (Judge Dodd) 7939; (Supreme Court) 7939 (iv).
Canals-Cornwall (enlargement) 6293 (iv). Civil Govt.-Justice (private secretaries) 7937 (iv).
Indians-Generally (Dr. Bryce, salary) 6960; N.B. (agents' salaries) 6937; (medical attendance) 6938; N.'S. (agents' salaries) 6933; (medical attendance) 6937; (relief and seed grain) 6936 (iv).
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (G.B and Can.) 6186; (Halifax, Newfld. and Liverpool 6212 ; (St. John and W. Indies) 6216 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-N.S. (Baxter's harbour) 7635; (Cow Bay) 7637; (Glace Bay) 7639; (Kelly's Cove) 7644; (Livingstone's Cove) 7643 ; (Port Bevis) 7636; (Port Hood entrance) 7645; (Sandy Cove) 7646; (Skinner's Cove) 7646; (Tene-cape breakwater) 7647; (Victoria Beach) 7647 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Quebec Harbour) 7897; (transportation facilities) 7897 (iv).
Public Works-Telegraph Lines-N.B. (Deer Island. &c.) 7891; P.E.I. (Port Hood, &c.) 7892 (iv).
Railways-I.C.R. (bridge strengthening) 6264; (draw bars for freight cars) 6265. Treadgold Concession, Delay in bringing down Commissioner's Rep. (remarks) 7792 (iv).
(remarks) on Stmnt. of Prime Minister, 6013 (iv).
West Canadian. Collieries, Limited, B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6093 (iv).
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Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6379, 6402, 6427, 6435, 6467, 6486, 6535 (iv).
Naturalization and Aliens1 Acts Amt. B. 147 OMr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 6793 (iv). Personal Explanation re Militia Bill, 6552 (iv). Printing Bureau, Delay in Printing Voters' Lists (remarks) 6789 (Iv).
Supply:
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Grand Vallee pier) 7771 (iv).
Boyd, N., Macdonald.
Assiniboine River, Dredging, &c. (remarks) in Com. ot Sup., 7875 (iv).


Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7653 (iv).
Fishing Licenses granted in Lakes North ot Winnipeg (Ques.) 7783 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6431 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 
Dorn.   E@: 
Atlantic Fast SS.: Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6170 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com. on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6758 (iv).
Supply :
Canals-Welland (electric plant) 6353 (iv). West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6101 (iv).
Cartwright, Rt. Hon. Sir Richard, G.C.M.G.
(Minister of Trade and Commerce), South Oxford.
Binder Twine Seizures, on Inquiry for Ret., 6024 (iv).
Cold Storage on Atlantic Strs., Provision, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6175 (iv).

 on Amt. (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) 7922.
Freight Discrimination re Atlantic Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6199; Rep. re Officers, &c. (remarks) 6205 (iv).
Jackson, J. B., Appnmt. as Commercial Agent, Charges re (remarks) 7806 (iv).
Mail carried via New York, Memo, (read) 6202 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 6693, 6722 (iv).
Supply :
Canals-Welland (Port Colborne entrance) ' 6812 (iv).

Clancy, J., Bothwell.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. (Mr. Parmelee) to sit concurrently with Sittings of Hse., 6677 (iv).
Auditor General, Resignation, &c., on Amt.
(Mr. Borden,. Halifax) to Sup., 6586 (iv). Binder Twine Seizures, Inquiry for Ret., 6024. Cold Storage Transportation on Ocean Vessels, on Amt. (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) 7926. Dom. Elections Act Amt. B. 148 (.Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7653 (iv).	[DOT]
Indian Corn, Rebate paid to Distillers, &c. (Ques.) 6680 (iv).
Inland Revenue Act re Distillers, Repeal, &c. (Ques.) 6148 (iv).
Representation Act (1903) Amt. B. 149 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7669 (iv).
Supply :
Fisheries (cold storage for bait) 7590; (fish culture) 7588 (iv).
Indians-Generally (Bryce, Dr., salary) 6961; Ont. and Que. (legal expenses) 6932; P.E.I. (relief and seed grain) 6939 (iv). Lighthouse and Coast Service (overseers' salaries) 7599; (wharf at Charlottetown)1 7598 (iv).
Ocean and River Service (St. Lawrence ship channel) 7615 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers, Dom. (repairs, &c.)	7850; Que. (Champlain
wharf) 7767 (iv).
Sydenham River Dredging (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7850 (iv).
Tobacco Industry, Protection, &c., on Amt.
(Mr. Monk) to Com. of Sup., 6922 (iv). Treadgold Concessions, Delay in bringing down Report of Commissioner (remarks) 7797 (iv).
Walpole Island, Instructions re Survey (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6932 (iv).
Clarke, E. F,, West Toronto.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: r Average Speed, &c. (Ques.) 6888 (iv).

New Steamers (remarks) in Com. of
Sup., 6154 (iv).


Atlantic SS.: Service, Discrimination re Freights (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6199; Rep. from Officers (remarks) 6205 (iv). Auditor General, Resignation of, Action of Govt. &c. (Ques.) 6887 (iv).
Cornwall Canal, Davis Lighting Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6649 (iv).
C. Ross Co., Ottawa, Payments to (Ques.) 6544 (iv).


Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7657 (iv).
Dundonald. Lord, Letter to W. T. R. Preston, re, Inquiry for, 6681 (iv).
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Clarke, E. F.-Con.
Elkhorn School, Sale of Printing Press (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6951 (iv).
Express and Tel. Cos., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) to Ry. Act Amt. B. 132 : in Com., 6697 (iv).
Fair-Wage Res. re Bonused Rys. (Ques.) 6883.
G.'TjP. Surveys, Aliens deported, Action taken re (Ques.) 6542, 6884 (iv).

Emplymt. of Aliens, Verbatim Copy of
Evidence furnished to G.T.P. Co. (remarks) 6880, 6890 (iv).

 Evidence of Judge Winchester (remarks) re printing, &c., 6291 (iv).

Surveys, &c., in Com. of Sup., 6291 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, &c., on M. for Sup., 7733 (iv).
Indian Schools, Results of Education (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6955 (iv).
I.C.'R.-Double Tracking (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6290 (iv).

 Employees, Wages paid, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6024 (iv).
Kingston Penitentiary, Appnmt. of Protestant Chaplain (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7951-
Letter Carriers, Pay on Sick Leave (Ques.) 6888 (iv).
Mails carried via New York (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6201 (iv).
Mail Steamers, Speed per Hour, &c. (Ques.) 6546 (iv).	.
Militia at Sydney Riots, Withdrawal, &c. (remarks) 6788, 6806 (iv).
Militiamen not on Duty, Amenable to Parti-sap. Interests (remarks) 7733 (iv).
" Military Gazette " (Canadian) and Govt. Patronage (remarks) 7906 (iv).
Naval Militia, Establishment (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7572 (iv).
North Shore Power, Ry. and Navigation Co., Cor. re Contract for Seven Islands Wharf (read) 7981 (iv).
Preston, Mr. W. T. R., Letter re Lord Dun-donald's Dismissal, &c., Approval of Govt, (remarks) 6014; Letter (read) 6015 (iv).

 Policy of Govt, re (remarks) 6551 (iv).
Questions asked by Members, Rights to Information, &c. (remarks) 6890 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Express Cos., 6697 (iv).
Seven Islands Wharf, Contract re, in Com. of Sup., 7972 (iv).

Cor. with Public Works Dept, (read)
7981 (iv).
Supply :
Canals-Chambly	'(macadamizing roads)
6871; Lachine (slope walls) 6825; Sou-langes (St, Amour's gully) 6869; Trent (construction.) 6827, 6859; Welland (Port Colborne entrance) 6813; (stone protection) 6867; (Townsend valve) 6867 (iv).



Clarke, E. F. -Con.
Supply-Con.
Civil Govt.-Trade and Commerce (salaries) <5151 (iv).
Dominion Police (salaries) 7949 (iv). Indians-B.C. (medical relief) 6957 (iv). Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (G.B. and Canada) 6154; (Halifax and Liverpool) 6210 (iv).
Miscellaneous (Champlain monument) 7971. Penitentiaries-Kingston (salaries) 7951. Public Works-Buildings-Que. (Valley-fleld) 7972 (iv).
Public Works-.Harbours and Rivers-Ont. (Toronto Harbour Improvement) 7869; P.E.I. (Summerside breakwater, 7742 ; Que. (Seven Islands wharf) 7830, 7972 ; (Three Rivers wharf)' 7836; (Yamaska dredging) 7843 (iv).
Railways-(G.T.P. surveys, &c.), 6291; I.C.R. (working expenses) 6024 (iv).
Thompson River Improvement Co.'s incorp.
B. 79 (Mr. Galliher) on Sen. Amts., 7968 (iv). Toronto Harbour Improvements, Eastern Entrance, in Com. of Sup., 7869 (iv). Toronto Island, South Side (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7874 (iv).
Treadgold Concessions, Delay in bringing down Commissioner's Rep. (remarks) 7795.
Cochrane, E., East Northumberland, Ont. I.C.R., Bridge Strengthening (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6274 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com,, 6696 (iv).
Supply :
Administration of Justice-Yukon (sheriffs' allowances) 7945 (iv).
Canals-Trent (construction) 6837,	6846;
Welland (electric plant) 6803; (Port Col-borne entrance) 6812 (iv).
Indians-P.E.I.	(relief and seed grain)
6938 (iv).
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (G.B. and Can.) 6206 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-N.S. (Bailey's Brook wharf)1 7635; (Bayfield harbour) 7635; (Breton Cove boat landing) 7836; (Cow Bay) 7637; Que. (Seven Islands wharf) 7979; (Three Rivers wharf) 7838.
Copp, A. J. S., Digby, N.S.
Supply :
Public Works'-Harbours and Rivers-N.S. (Digby pier) 7638 (iv).
Cowan, M. K., South Essex.
West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6100 (iv).
Daniel, John W., St. John City.
Atlantic, Fast SS. Service, Freight carried from St.,John (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6194 (iv).
Guysborough Election, Political Interference re I.C.R. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6027 (iv).
Daniel, John W.-Con.
I.C.R., Political Appointments (remarks) in Com of Sup., 61'39 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6391, 6472, 6493, 6512, 6524, 6535 (iv). St. John Drill Hall, Contract re (remarks) in Com. on Militia B., 6391 (iv).
St. Lawrence Winter Navigation re Allan Sirs, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6156 (iv). Supply:
. Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions- (G.B. and Canada) 6156; (Halifax and Liverpool) 6211; (St. John and Dublin) 6215; (St. John and London) 6215 (iv).
Railways-I.C.R. (working expenses) 6026, 6144 (iv).


Davis.  T. O.@: , Sushatehewan.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. (Mr. Parmelee) to sit concurrently with sittings of Hse, 6678 (iv).
Douglas, Jas. M., East Assiniboia.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. (Mr. Parmelee) to sit during sittings of Hse, 6679 (iv).
Earle, Thomas, Victoria, B.C.
Caraquet Wharf, Purchase from Mr. Shives (remarks) in Com-, of Sup., 7747 (iv). Customs Colleetorship at Victoria, B.C., Vacancy, &c. (Ques.) 6364 (iv).
Supply:
Indians-B.C. (hospitals, irrigation, &c.)
6958; (salaries) 6957; (schools) 6957 (iv). Public Works-Buildings-Dom. (rentals, &c.) 7622; (generally) 7619 (iv).

 Ottawa (Ry. Commission) 7625; (snow
cleaning) 7630; Yukon (repairs, &c.) 7633. Public Works-Dredging-B.C. (new plant) 7885, 7890; Ont. (new plant) 7882 (iv). Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-B.C. (Anderson and Kennedy Lake) 7876; (Fraser River protection) 7876; (Sydney harbour breakwater) 8022 (iv).


 N.S. (Abram's wharf) 7634; (Bailey's
Brook wharf) 7635; (Baxter's harbour) 7635; (Breton Cove boat landing) 7636; (Bridgewater dredging) 7637; (Georgeville wharf) 7639; (Glace Bay) 7639; (Iona wharf) 7642; (Neil's Harbour) 7843; (Port Hawkesbury) 7645; (Victoria Beach) 7647 (iv).

 Ont. (Gananoque dredging) 7754 (iv).

 P.E.I. (Summerside breakwater) 7743.

 Que. (LotbiniSre wharf) 7778 (iv).
Victoria Harbour Dredging, Inner Side (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7890 (iv).

 Use of " King Edward " (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 7878 (iv).
Victoria Post Office, B.C., (Rental, &c. (remarks in Com. of Sup., 7622 (iv).
Emmerson, Hon. h. R. (Minister of Railways and Canals), Westmoreland.
Alberton Station, " Y," Abolishing of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6232 (iv).

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Emmerson, Hon. H. R.-Con.
Campbellton Wharf and Shives Lumber Co.'s Monopoly (remarks) on .M. for Sup., 7792.
Canada Eastern Purchase (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6238 (iv).
Canals, Operating Staff (statement) in Com. of Sup., 6675 (iv).
Canal Toll Collectors (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6331-2 (iv).
Canals, Working Expenses (remarks) on Cone., 6684 (iv).
Cattle Guard Commission, Extra Remuneration (Ans.) 6545 (iv).
" Chapman " Ball-bearing Attachments to I.C.R. Cars (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6286.
" Cleveland " Cylinder Equipment for I.C.R. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6286 (iv).
Cornwall, and Williamsburg Canals, Workshops, Completion, &c. (Ans.) 6544 (iv).
Cornwall Canal, Davis Lighting Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6645 (iv).

 (remarks) re Discussion, 7538 (iv).
Cornwall Wharf, Repairs, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6645 (iv).
Grain and Grain Products carried on I.C.R. (Ans.) 7784 (iv).
Grand Narrows Bridge Protection, &c (statement) in Com. of Sup., 6264 (iv).
G.T.P. Surveys, &c., in Com. of Sup., 6290 (iv).

 Surveys by Govt. 'Parties, &c. (Ans.)
6544 (iv).

 Evidence furnished to G'.T.P. Authorities (remarks) 6893 (iv).
Guysborough. Election, Political Interference re I.C.R. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6026 (iv).
I.C.R., Additional Sidings (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6285 (iv).

 Bridges, Strengthening, &c. (names
given) in Com. of Sup., 6264, 6266 (iv),

 Capital Expenditure Statement (read)
in Com. of Sup., 6104 (iv).

1- Employees, Political Interference in
Elections (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6036, 6108 (iv).

 Interference with Running of Trains by Members (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6255.
Kinkora Station, P.E.I. Ry. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6231 (iv).
McArthur, Rev. Mr., Claims for Damages re Cardinal Canal (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6308 (iv).
Milford Ry. Accident, N.S., Damages, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6140 (iv).
Montreal and Atlantic Ry., Operation, &c. (Ans.) 6149 (iv)
New Glasgow, I.C.R., Improvements (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6290 (iv).
North Channel, Completion of Dam (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6324 (iv).
Emmerson, Hon. H. R.-Con.
Poonamalie Dam, Repairs to, &c. (Ans.) 7785.
P.E.I. Ry., Pay to Labourers (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6222 (iv).

 Tourist Accommodation (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6242 (iv).


Robt.   A.@:  Grenville (wharf) 6865 (iv).

 Lachine	(canal gates) 6868 ;	(construction, &c.) 7538; (dredging basins) 6826; (electric installation) 6826; (old locks rebuilding) 6867; (St. Ours locks) 6864; (slope walls) 6825; (underpinning wall) 6868 (iv).

 North Channel (dam, &c.) 6341 (iv).

Sault	Ste. Marie (construction)
6816 (iv).

 Soulanges (arms and heaters) 6868;
(land damages) 7538; (St. Amour's gully) 6868; (steel bridge at power house) 6863; (survey for breakwater) 6862; (waterwheel governors) 6868; (workshops, &c.) 6863 (iv).

 Trent (construction) 6827, 6859 (iv).

Welland	(electric plant) 6348,	6797.
(obstructions, &c.) 6358; (Port Colborne entrance) 6812; (protection banks) 6866; (retaining walls) 6867; (Townsend valves) 6867 (iv).
'Railways-GJTJP. (surveys) 6290; I.C.R. (additional sidings) 6285; (bridge strengthening) 6264; (drawbars for freight cars) 6264; (Windsor branch) 6218; (working expenses) 6024, 6144; P.E.I. (working expenses), 6220 (iv).
Telegraphers' Union, I.C.R., Special Agreement re Dismissals (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6038 (iv).
Transportation Commission, on Inquiry (Mr. Lennox) for Rep., 6363 (iv).
Welland Canal, Electric Lighting Cost (stmnt) in Com. of Sup., 6675, 6807 (iv).

Gas Lighting (remarks) in Com. of Sup.,
6351 (iv).
Fielding, Hon. W. S. (Minister of Finance), Shelburne and Queen's, N.S.
Auditor General's Resignation, &c., Action of Govt. (Ans.) 6888 (iv).

 (remarks) 6789 (iv).
Canals, Working Expenses (remarks) on Cone., 6686 (iv).



Fielding, Hon. W. S.-Con.
Coal Oil Bounties :	See " Petroleum."
Cornwall Canal and Davis Contract (remarks) re Discussion, 7540 (iv).

Letter of Aud. Gen. re Papers (remarks) 6880 (iv).	*
Estimates, Making up, &c., "jumbled," &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7761 (iv).
G.T.(Ry., Rentals, &c. (remarks) on Cone., 6684 (iv).
I.CJRy., Interference by Members with Running of Trains (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6257 (iv).

Action re (remarks) 6542 (iv),


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@:  Letter from Judge Killam (read) 6792.
Nova Scotia Judgeships, Promises to Members, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7940.
Pilotage Act Amt. (B. 100) on Senate Amts., 6889 (iv).
Ry. Act (1903) Amt. B. 73 (Mr. Lennox) M. to place on Govt. Orders, 6364 (iv).

is
Fitzpatrick, Hon. Charles-Con.
Supply-Con.
7938: (N.S., Judge Dodd) 7939; (Supreme Court) 7939; Yukon (fees and expenses! 7949; (law books) 7949; (sheriffs' allowances) 7945; (travelling allowances) 7945. Penitentiaries-Dorchestei (salaries) 7953; Kingston (Chaplains) 7950; Miscellaneous (brick-making) 7957; (parole system) 7954. Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Grand Vallde pier) 7769; (LotbiniOre wharf) 7777; (Newport breakwater) 7779; (Percfi wharf) 7780; (Seven Islands wharf) 7828, 7992 (iv).
Temiscouata iRy. Co.'s (;B. 144) in Com., 0790. Tobacco Industry, Protection, &c., on Amt. (Mr. Monk) to Conn, of Sup., 6919 (iv).
Fowler, G. W., King's, N.B.
Campbellton Wharf Accommodation, and Shives Lumber Co.'s Monopoly, Cor., &c., on M. for Sup., 7788 (iv).
Caraquet Wharf, Purchase from Mr. Shives (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7746 (iv).
Grain and Grain Products carried on I.C.R., Quantity, &c. (Ques.) 7783 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 
Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7653 (iv).
I.C.R., Political Appointments (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6130 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6717 (iv).
, Supply :
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Seven Islands wharf) 8003 (iv). Thompson River Improvement Co.'s incorp. (B. 79)-(M.) to cone, in Sen. Amts,, 7966.
Ganong, G. W., Charlotte.
I.C.R., Political Appointments (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6132 (iv).
Supply:
Fisheries (hatcheries) 7587; (oyster culture) 7588; (protection service) 7580 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings-Dom. (water service) 7631; Harbours and Rivers, N.B. (Anderson's Hollow) 7744; (Black Brook) 7745; (Campbellton wharf) 7745; (Caraquet wharf) 7745; (Hopewell Cape) 7748; (Negro Point) 7750; (North Head) 7748; (Petit Rocher) 7749; Telegraph Lines, N.B. (Deer Island, &c.) 7891 (iv).
Gauvreau, C. A., Temiscouata.
Supply:
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Riviere du Loup) 7781 (iv).
German, W. M., Welland.
Supply :
Canals-Sault Ste. Marie (construction) 6817; Trent (construction) 6836; Welland (electric lighting plant) 6798 (iv).
Thorold and Lake Erie Ry. Co.'s incorp. (B. 150) Pet. re, 6147 (iv).
Gibson, A., York, N.B.
New Brunswick Southern Ry. Co.'s (B. 143) in Com., 6322 (iv).
Gilmour, J., East Middlesex.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 
Militia Act B.: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6381, 6405 , 6426 , 6438, 6470 , 6490 , 6538. Ry. Act Amt. B. 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Amt. (Mr. /Maclean) re Express Cos., 6712; on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6724, 6733 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 154 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 6796 (iv).
Supply :
Canals-Trent (construction) 6853 (iv). Justice-Miscellaneous (consolidation of *statutes) 17960; (litigated matters) 7961-Miscellaneous (Champlain monument) 7972. Railways-I.C.R. (additional sidings) 6287. Tobacco Industry, Protection, &c., on Amt. (Mr. Monk) to Com. of Sup., 6918 (iv).
Hackett, E., West Prince, P.E.I.


Atlantic Fast SS.: Service (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6206 (iv).

Hackett, E.-Con.
Murray Harbour Branch, P.E.I. Ry., Completion, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6241 (iv).
Pension Scheme re Ry. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6241 (iv).
P.E.I. Ry., Dismissals in 1896 (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6220 (iv).
*

 Tourist Accommodation (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6242 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Express Cos., 6710 (iv).
Supply :
Miscellaneous (Champlain monument) 7969. Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-N.B. (Cape Tormentine) 7745; P.E.I. (Biggin's shore pier) 7736; (New London) 7738; (Point Prim wharf) 7738; (Richmond Bay wharf) 7789; (Rustico harbour) 7739; (Souris Point) 7740; (Summerside breakwater) 7740; (West Point wharf) 7743 (lv). Railways-'P.E.I. (working expenses) 6220.
Haggart, Hon. John, South Lanark.
Acetylene Gas in Lighthouses, Reps, asked for : in Com. of Sup., 7597 (iv).
American Fishing Cos. abd Bonding Privileges (remarks) in Com of Sup., 7581 (iv). Can. Atlantic Ry., Negotiations re Purchase by Govt, (remarks) 6874 (iv).
Cornwall Canal, Lighting Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6648 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, &c., on M. for Sup., 7694 (iv).
I.C.R., Capital Expenditure (remarks) .6104. (iv).

 Political Appointments (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6111 (iv).

 Charges against Sir Chas. Tupper, 6122.

 Political Intereference of Employees at
Elections (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6047. Militia Act Amt. B. 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6506 (iv).
New Brunswick Southern Ry. Co.'s B. 143 (Mr. Gibson) in Com., 6322 (iv).
North Channel Dam, Completion, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6323 (iv).
P.E.I. Ry., Deficits re Working Expenses (remarks in Com. of Sup., 6262 (iv).
Ry, Act Amt. B. 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 6693, 6777 (iv).
Supply :
Canals-Chambly (Default's culvert) 6870; (landing wharf) 6873; (macadamizing road) 6870 (iv).

 Cornwall1 (enlargement) 6293; (lighting contract) 6648; (shoals dredging) 6347. (iv).

 Galops (channel completion) 6337;
(enlargement) 6800 (iv).

 Grenville (wharf) 6865 (iv)'.

 Lachine (old locks rebuilding) 6867.

 Norh Channel (dam, &c.)	6314,
6315, 6323 (iv).
Haggart. Hon. John-Con.
Supply-Con.
Canals-S't. Ours (lock) 6864 (iv).

 Soulanges (arms and heaters) 6868;
(St. Amour's gully) 6868; (steel bridge for power house) 6862; (survey for breakwater) 6862 (iv).	.

 Trent (construction) 6829 , 6859 (lv).

 Welland (electric plant) '6848; (obstructions, &c.)	6369 ; (Port Colborne,
deepening) 6360 (iv).
Fisheries (overseers, &c.) 7581 (iv). Lighthouse and Coast Service (overseers, salaries) 7598 (iv).
Ocean and River Service (ship channel, St. Lawrence) 7599 (iv).
Railways-IjC.R. (bridge strengthening) 6275 (iv).
Welland Canal, Political Appointments (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6111 (iv).
West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6103 (iv).
Halliday, James, North Bruce.
Supply :
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers'-Ont. (Southampton) 7857 (iv).
Haszard, H., West Queen's, P.E.I.
P.E.I. Ry., Charlottetown Station (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6237 (iv).	.
Henderson, D., Hatton.


Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com,, 7664 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6393 (iv).
Pacific Bank of Canada B., on M. (Mr. Mae-pherson) to place on Order Paper, 7783 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 
Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6724, 6745; om Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Standard Passenger Tolls, 6774 (iv).

si
Holmes, R., West Huron.


Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7663 (iv).
Hughes, J. J., King's, P.E.t.
Fish Driers, Whitman Method (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7591 (iv).
I.C.R., Political Appointments (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6132 (iv).
" Military Gazette " (Canadian) and Govt. Patronage (remarks) 7906 (iv).
P.E.I. Ry., Extension and Working Expenses (remarks) in Com. of Sup., '6242 (iv).
Supply :
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-P.E.I. (Knight's Point) 7740; (Summerside breakwater) 7740; (West Point wharf) 7743 (iv). Railways-'P.E.I. (working expenses) 6242.
Hughes, Sami., North Victoria.
Cedar Lake Fishery Overseer (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7579 (iv).


Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7659 (iv).
Dundonald, Lord, Letter of Mr. Preston re and Editorials in English Press (remarks) 6018 (iv).
Exchequer Court, Additional Judge, in Com. of Sup., 7945 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, on M. for Sup., 768S, 7700 (iv).
Guysborough Election, Political Interference re I.C.R. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6027 (iv).
Hutton, Maj.-Gen., Late G.O.C. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6369 (iv).
Judges, Appnimt. of and Promises made to Members (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7940. (iv).

 on Ques. of Order (Mr. Dep. Speaker)
7943 (iv).
" Military Gazette " (Canadian), Par. in " Citizen " re Govt. Patronage, 7903 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6368-6468 , 6469-6540 (iv).

 Reprinting as amended (remarks) 6681.
Militia Promotions and Political Interference (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6396 (iv).
Militia Regulations re Examinations, Inquiry for Papers, 6024 (iv).
Musketry School, Taxes re Expenses in Camp (remarks) 6550 (iv).
N.W. Mounted Police, Land Scrip, &c., for 1885 Rebellion (remarks) ini Com. of Sup., 7965.
Russell, Mr., M.'P., and 'Promise of Judgeship (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7940 (iv).
Session, Length of, Delay in calling Parlt. (remarks) 6640 (iv).
Supply :
Administration of Justice-Yukon (sheriff's allowances) 7946 ; (travelling allowances)-7945 (iv).
Hughes, Sami.-Con.
Supply-Com.
Fisheries (overseers) 7581 (iv). Miscellaneous (Champlain monument) 7970. N.W. Mounted Police (Cashel's escape) 7964. Penitentiaries-Dorchester (salaries) 7953 ; Miscellaneous (brick-making) 7958; (parole system) 7955 (iv).
public Works-'Buildings-Ottawa (Rideau Hall grounds) 8021; Harbours and Rivers, Ont. (Depot Harbour dredging) 8022; (Otonabee river) 8022; Que. (Seven Islands wharf) 7831, 7997; Miscellaneous (" J. I. Tarte," damage to dredge) 8021; Roads and Bridges (Colonization roads, Man. and N.W.T.) 8017; Telegraph Lines (Qu'Ap-pelle-Edmonton section) 8028 (iv).
Twelfth of July, Holiday Adjournment (remarks) 6264 (iv).
Whitley, Lt.-Col., Tel. to from Min. of Ag. (M.) to adjn., 6875 (iv).
Hyman, Hon. C. S. (Acting Minister of Public Works), London.
Buildings rented by Dorn. Govt., List (read) 7622 (iv).
C. Ross Co., Ottawa, Payments to (Ans.) 6544.
Dredging in Ont., Summary of Expenditure (remarks) 7875 (iv).
" Fielding," Dredge, Cost of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7S811 (iv).
Midland Dock, Rental, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7764 (iv).
New Brunswick Southern Ry. Co.'s B. 143 (Mr. Gibson) in Com., 6322 (iv).	'
N.S. Harbours and Rivers, Summary of Amounts expended (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7648 (iv).
Ottawa Buildings rented by Govt, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7625; List (read) 7628 (iv).
Picton Custom' House, Rental, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7624 (iv).
Port Credit, Dredging, &e. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7888 (iv).
P.E.I. Telegraph Service and Govt. Control (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7892 (iv).
" Richelieu," Dredge, Cost of Maintenance (Ans.) 6543 (iv).
Supply :
Public Works-(Buildings-Dom. (armouries) 7619; (electric power) 7631; (engineers, &e.) 7630; (experimental farms) 7620; (generally) 7619; (heating, &c.) 7630; (rentals, &c.) 7621; (list of buildings) 7622; (water service) 7631 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings-Ottawa (beating, &c.) 7628; (Major's Hill Park) 7629; (Ry. Commission) 762.5; (Rideau Hall, fuel) 7628; (Rideau Hall, grounds, 8021; (snow cleaning) 7680 (iv).
Public Works-(Buildings-Que. (Valleyfield) 7972 (iv).	*
Publlo Works-'Buildings-Yukon (repairs, &c.) 7632 (iv).	.
Public Works-Dredging-'B.C. (new plant) 7885; Generally (new plant) 7885; Man. (new plant) 7884; Mar. Provs. (hydraulic

xii
Hyman, Hon. C. S.-Con. '
Supply-Con.
plant) 7880; N.S. (new plant) 7885; Ont. (new plant) 7880; P.E.I. (new dredge) 7880 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-B.C. (Anderson and Kennedy lakes) 7870; (Fraser River protection) 7876; (Sydney River breakwater) 8022 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Dom.
(repairs, &e.) 7850 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Man. (Dauphin Lake lowering) 7876; (repairs, &c.) 7875; (St. Andrews rapids) 7897 (iv). Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Mar.
Provs. (repairs, &c.) 7774 (iv).
Public Works'-(Harbours and Rivers-N.B. (Alma pier) 7750; (Anderson's Hollow) 7744; (Black Brook) 7745; (Campbellton wharf). 7745; Cape Tonmentine) 7745; (Caraquet wharf) 7745; (Dalhousie harbour) 7747; (Dipper Harbour) 7747; (Great Salmon River) 7747; (Hopewell Cape) 7748; (Negro Point) 7750; (North Head) 7748; (Petit Rocher) 7749; (St. John River) T750. Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-N.S. (Abram's wharf) 7634; (Bailey's Brook wharf) 7635; (Baxter's harbour) 7635; (Bayfield wharf) 7635; (Big Pond wharf) 7636; (Breton Cove boat landing) 7636 ; (Bridgewater dredging) 7637; (Cow Bay) 7637; (Digby pier) 7637; (Fort Lawrence pier) 7638; (Georgeville wharf) 7638; (Glace Bay) 7639; (Hall's harbour) 7642; (Indian Harbour) 7642; (Iona wharf) 7642; (Kelly's Cove) 7644; (L'Ardoise break- water) 7642; (Larry's1 River) 7642; (Lingan beach) 7643; (Livingstone's 'Cove) 7643; (Malignant Cove) 7643; (Middle River) 7643; (Neil's Harbour) 7643; (Pembroke breakwater) 7644; (Port Bevis wharf) 7636; (Port Hawkesbury) 7644; (port Hood entrance) 7646; (Port Maitland) 7646; (Prospect wharf) 7646; (Sandy Cove) 7646; (Scott's Bay) 7646; (Skinner's Cove) 7646; (Spry Bay wharf) 7646; (Summerville wharf) 7646; (Sydney quarantine station) 7647; (Tenecape wharf) 7647; (Victoria Beach) 7647; (Wedge Point) 7647; (West Bay wharf) 7647; (White's Cove) 7648 (iv). Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Ont. (Amherstburg dredging) 7750; (Barry's Bay) 7751; (Bayfield wharf) 8022; (Brace-bridge wharf) 7751; (Burlington channel) 77(51; (Collingwood harbour) 7761, 80212; (Depot Harbour) 7753; (Depot (Harbour, dredging) 80'22; (Gananoque dredging) 7754; (Goderich harbour) 7754;)i(Grand Bend pier)7843; (Honera wharf)' 71851; (Kingsville pier) 7862; (Little Current) 7852; (Meaford harbour) 7852; (Midland harbour) 7853; (Otonabee dredging) 7855, 8022; (Owen Sound) 7853; (Pembroke wharf) 7853; (Penetanguishene pier) 7854; (Port Colborne) 7897; (Port Perry dredging) 7854; (Port Stanley dredging) 7855; (Rondeau, dredging) 7855; (Sarnia, dredging) 7855; (Sault Ste. Marie, dredging) 7856; (Southampton) 7857; (Spanish River) 7897; (Temisoamin.g wharf) 7852; (Thessalon breakwater) 7863; (Thornbury) 7863; (Toronto, eastern entrance) 7864; (Wiarton whiarf) 7874 (iv). Public Works-Barbours and Rivers-P.E.I. (Higgin's shore pier) 7736; (New London) 7738; (Point Prim Island) 7738; (Richmond Bay wharf) 7739; (Rustico harbour) *	7739; (Souris Point) 7740; (Summerside
Hyman, Hon. C. S.-Con.
Supply-Con.
breakwater) 7740; (West Point wharf) 7744 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Anse aux Gascons) 7766; (Bate.St. Paul) 7766; (Bonaventure East) 77 66; (Oaplan breakwater) 7767; (Chambord wharf) 7767; (Champlain wharf) 7767 ; (Chateau Richer) 7767; (D'eschambault wharf) 7767; (Father point) 7767; (Grand Vallee pier) 7768; (Gronidines wharf) 7774; (Lake St. John dredging) 7775; (Laprairie ice piers) 7775; (Lotbiniere wharf) 7776; (Magdalen Island) 7779; (Murray Bay wharf) 7779; (Newport breakwater) 7779; (Perce wharf) 7780; (Pointe St. Pierre) 7780; (Quebec harbour) 7896; (Rimouski pier) 7780; (Rivigre du Loup) 7780; (Ste. Famille pier) 7782; (St. Godfroi de Nouvelle) 7782; (St. Jean des Chiaillons) 7782; (St. Simeon wharf) 7828; (Seven Islands wharf) 7828, 7972; (Three Rivers wharf) 7835; (Trois Pistoles) 7843; (Ve>roh6res wharf) 7843; '(Yamaska dredging) 7843 (iv).
Public Works-'Harbours and Rivers-Yukon (Lewes and Yukon rivers) 7879 (iv). Public Works-'Miscellaneous (arbitrations) 7895; (architects, &e.) 7895; (Art Gallery) 7895; (St. Lawrence River, dredge "J. I. Tarte "). 8021; (surveys, &c.) 7895; (transportation commission) 7896; (transportation facilities) 7897 (iv).
Public Works-Roads and Bridges (Colonization roads, .Man. and N.W.T.) 8017; N.W.T. (Peace river) 7891 (iv).
Public Works-Slides and Booms (St. Maurice) 7891 (iv).
'Public Works-Telegraph Lines-Dom. (Marconi system) 7896; N.B. (Deer Island, &c.) 7891; N.W.T. (QbAppelle-Edinonton section) 8023; Ont. (Pelee Island and mainland) 8023; Que. (Anticosti, Fox Bay) 7895; (Bersimis to Godbout) 7894 (iv).
Sydenham River Dredging (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7850 (iv).
Toronto Harbour Improvements at Eastern Entrance, in Com. of Sup., 7864 (iv). Vancouver Dry Dock, Arrangements re Completion (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7877 (iv). Victoria Harbour, Dredging inner side (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7890 (iv).

 Use of ** King Edward " (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 7879 (iv).
Victoria Postoffice, Rental, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7622 (iv).
West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6100 (iv).
Ingram, A. B., East Elgin.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. (Mr. Parmelee) to sit concurrently with Sittings of Hse, 6677 (iv).
Canada Southern Ry. Co.'s (B. 40) on Sen. Amts., 6845 (iv).	,
Cold Storage Transportation on Ocean Vessels, on Amt. (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) 7927. Gregory, Lt.-Ool., Resignation, &c., on M. for Sup., 7690 (iv).

Kill
Ingram, A. B.-Con.
Guysborough Election' and I.C.R. Employees, 'Political Interference1 (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6027, 6045 (iy).
House of Commons, Accommodation for Members' Families (remarks) in' Com. of Sup., 7620 (iv).
I.C.'Ry., Interference by Members with Running of Trains1 (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6254 (iv).

 on Personal' Explanation '(Mr. Logan)
6277 (iv).
*

 Political Appointments (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6124 (iv)1.
Jackson, J. B., Appnmt. as Commercial Agent in Eng., Charges re, &c., on M. for Sup., 7811 (iv).
Milford Ry. Accident, Damages, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6141 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@:  Resignation, Letter read, &c., on M. to
Sup., 7680 (iv).	[DOT]
I.C.R., Political' Appointments (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6113 (iv).


Robt.   A.@:  Political Appointments (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6113 (iv).
West Canadian Collieries, Limited, B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6101 (iv).
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LaRiviere, A. A. C., Provencher.
Supply :
Indians-Man. and N.W.'T. (industrial schools) 694,6; (surveys) 6952; IF.E.I. (relief and seed grain) 6940 (iv).
Laurier, Rt. Hon. Sir Wilfred. G.C.M.G. (Prime Minister), East Quebec.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. (Mr. Parmelee) to sit during Sittings of Hse., 6679 (iv).
Alaskan Boundary, Cor. laid on Table, 6263. Atlantic Mail Steamers, Average Speed, &c. (Ans.) 6888 (iv).
Business of the Hse., Govt. Legislation (remarks) 6787 (iv).
Can. Atlantic Ry., Purchase by Govt, (remarks) 6875 (iv).
Cardinal Canal, Damages by Floods (remarks) in Sup., 7594 (iv).
Chambly Canal, Damage by Flood, Indemnity, &c. (Ans.) 6365 (iv).
Coasting Daws for British Ports, Cor. with Imp. Govt, (remarks) 6883 (iv).
Cornwall Canal, Lighting Contract, O.C.'s asked for (remarks) 6150 (iv).
Customs Collectorship in Victoria, B.C., Vacancy (Ans.) 6365 (iv).
Dundonald, Earl of, Farewell to, on M. (Mr. Sproule) to adjn., 7542 (iv).
Flour Standards, &c. (Ans.) 6546 (iv).
G.'T.'P. Surveys, Evidence furnished to G.T.P. Authorities (remarks) 6891 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Express Companies, 7545 (iv).
Supply :
Miscellaneous (Champlain monument) 7970;
(patrolling Hudson Bay) 7968 (iv).
N.W. Mounted' Police (compensation for injuries) 7964; (damages re capture of Cashel) 7963; (gratuity, Mrs. Beaupre) 7618; (gratuity to Mrs. Brooke) 7618; (pay of force) 7618; (W. M. Walke, damages to) 7619 (iv).	*
Penitentiaries-Kingston (salaries) 7953 (iv).
Temiscouata Ry. Co.'s B. 144 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 6791 (iv).
Thompson River Improvement Co.'s incorp. B. 79 (Mr. Galliher) on Sen. Amts. (M.) to adjn. Deb., 7967-8 (iv).
Th'orold and Lake Erie 'Ry. Co.'s incorip. B. ISO, on S. (Mr. German) re Pet., 6147 (iv).
Tobacco Industry, Duties on, &c. (remarks) 7786 (iv).

 Rep. of Commissioners, on M. (Mr. Monk) to print, 7542 (iv).
Treadgold Concession, Delay in bringing down Commissioner's Report (remarks) 6013, 7794.
Twelfth of July, Precedent for Adjournment (remarks) 6264 (iv).
Voters' Lists, Printing and Distribution, &c., Names of Counties (Ans.) 6885 (iv).
Whitley, Lt.-lCol., and 'Min. of Ag., on M. (Mr. Sam. Hughes) to adjn., Ques. of Order, 6876 (iv).
Lavell, J. R., Leeds and Grenville.
Poonamalie Dam, Repairs, &c. (Ques.) 7784.
i.efurge/, A. A., East Prince, P.E.I.
Albertom Station, Abolishing " Y '' (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6232 (iv).
I.C.'R., Political Appointments (remarks) in Corn, of Sup., 6119 (iv).
Kinkora Station, P.E.I. Ry. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6231 (iv).
Pension Scheme for Ry. Employees (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 622.1 (iv).

 Letter from J. J. Wallace (read) 6227.
P.E.I. Chicken-Fattening Stations, Inquiry for Ret., 6467 (iv).



Lefurgey, A. A.-Con.
P.E.I. Ry., Pay to Labourers, Circulars quoted in Com. of Sup., 6220 (iv).

Shortage of Cars, &e. (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6227 (iv).
Supply :
Public Works-Dredging-Mar. Provs. (hydraulic plant) 7880 (iv).
Railways-P.E.I. (working expenses) 6220.
Lennox, H., South Simeoe.
Auditor General, Resignation, &c., on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Halifax) to Sup., 6571 (iv).
Canada Eastern Ry., Purchase of (remarks) ini Com. of Sup., 6238, 6244 (iv).
Canals-Working Expenses, &c. (remarks) on Cone., 6684 (iv).
Cattle Guard Commission, Extra Remuneration, &c. (Ques.) 6545 (iv).
Charlottetown Station, Building, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6>238 (iv).
Cornwall Canal, Davis Lighting Contract (remarks) in, Com. of Sup., 6672 (iv).

 (remarks) re Discussion, 7538 (iv).
Cornwall and Williamsburg Canal Workshops, Completion, &c. (Ques.) 6544 (iv).
Estimates, Make-up of, &c., "Jumbled" Expenditure (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7762.
G.T.P. Surveys, Expenses, &c. (remarks) in Com', of Sup., 6291 (iv).

 Fay to Workingmen (remarks) in Com.
of Sup., 6226 (iv).

 Political Appointments (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6119 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6398, 6502 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 
Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6471, 6488 (iv).
Ottawa Buildings, Rental paid to Govt, and by Govt, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7624.


Robt.   A.@: 
Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7654 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, &c., on M. for Sup., 7733 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5, in Com., 6519 (iv).
Pacific Bank of Canada Bill (M) to place on Order Paper, 7783 (iy).
McEwen, G., South Huron.
Supply ;
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Ont.
(Grand Bend pier) 7844 (iv).
McLennan, A., Inverness.
Supply :
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-N.S.
(Port Hawkesbury) 7644 (iv).



Mignault, R. M. S., Yamhska.
'Montreal and Atlantic Ry., Operation, &c. (Ques.) 6149 (iv).
Monet, D., Laprairie and Napierville.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) ini Com., 6432 (iv).
Supply :
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-P.E.I. (Higgin's shore pier) 7737 (iv).
Monk, F. D., Jacques Cartier.
Canada Eastern Ry., Purchase by Govt, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6259 (iv).
Chambly Canal, Indemnity for Damages by Floods, Names, &c. (Ques.) 6365 (iv). Lachine Canal, Authority given for Ry. Purposes (remarks) 6150 (iv).
Mails sent via New York to G,B. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6162 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6469, 6536 (iv).
Public Works and Marine Depts., Transfer of Duties (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7602. " Richelieu," Dredge, Cost of Maintenance, &c. (Ques.) 6543 (iv).
St. Lawrence Ship Channel, O.C. re Transfer to Marine Dept, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7602 (iv).
Supply :
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (G.B. and Can.) 6158 (Iv).
Public Works-'Buildings-Ottawa (lighting, repairing, &c.) 7620 (iv).
Tobacco Industry, Protection and Encouragement (amt.) to Com. of Sup., 6894; Neg. (Y. 19; N. 50) 6927 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Express Cos., 6705 (iv).
Ross Rifle Contract, Tests, &c. (Ques.) 6886.
Oliver, F., Alberta.
Govt. Patronage re Newspaper, &c. (remarks) '6642 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 6735, 6764 (iv).
Sessions, Length of and Delay in calling 'Parlt. (remarks) 6640 (iv).
West Canadian Collieries, Limited (B. 80) in Com., 6093; on Sen. Amts., 7721 (iv).
Osier, E. B., West Toronto.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 160 (Mr. Fielding) in Com., 7787 (iv).


Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. FitzPatrick) in Com., 7668 (iv).
Fisheries Protection, Regulations re Trap
Nets (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7572 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, &c., on M. for Sup., 7731 (iv).
Hudson Bay Fisheries Protection (remarks) dh Com. of Sup., 7578 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frecterick Borden) in Com., 6450, 6500 (iv).

 Insurance Rates, &c. (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 7607 (iv).
Supply :
Fisheries (cold storage inspection) 7589 ; (fish culture) 7587; (Georgian Bay laboratory) 7593; (inspectors, &c.) 7572; (overseers, salaries) 7598; '(oyster culture) 7588. Lighthouse and Coast Service (lighthouse repairs) 7687; ("Lurcher" lightship) 7597; (wharf at Charlottetown) 7598 (iv).
Ocean and River Service (damages to perishable goods, P.E.I.) 7'594; (masters and mates) 7596 (iv).
Winnipeg and Nelson. River Fishing Licenses (remarks)1 in Com. of Sup., 7574 (iv).
Pringle, R. A., Cornwall and Stormont.
Cornwall Canal, Davis Lighting Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6670 (iv).
Supply:
Canals-Cornwall (enlargement) 6644 (iv).
Puttee, Arthur W., Winnipeg.
Davis Contract re Cornwall Canal, Aud. Gen.'s Letter re Papers' (remarks) 6879 (iv).
I.C.R., Political Interference re Employees in Elections' (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6038. Militia Act Amt. B. 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6427, 645-2 , 6512 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6726 (iv).
Supply:
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Man. (St. Andrews Rapids) 7897; Yukon (Lewes and Yukon Rivers) 7880 (iv).
Telegraphers' Union, Special Agreement re -Dismissals (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6038.
Reid, J. D., South Grenville.
''Alert'' Str., Transfer to Marine Dept, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7593 (iv).
American Fishing Cos. abd. Bonding Privileges (remarks) ini Com. of Sup., 7581 (iv). Canada Eastern Ry., Purchase by Govt, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6247, 6262 (iv). Cardinal Canal, Damages by Flooding (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7594 (iv).

 Enlargement, in Com. of Sup., 6324 (iv).

 Toll Collectors, &c. (remarks) in Com.
of Sup., 6331-2 (iv).


XV111 INDEX
[Stage Direction]
Reid, J. D.-Con.
Cornwall Canal, Davis Lighting Contract (remarks) in Com. o£ Sup., 6645 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 (remarks) re Discussion, 7539 (iv).
Galops Canal Enlargement, Pay of Staff, &c. (remarks)' in Com. of Sup., '6294 (iv).
McArthur, Rev. Mr., Claims for Damages re Cardinal Canal (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6307 (iv).
Mud Island Shoal, Dredging, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 634® (iv).
Prescott Lighthouse, Construction of, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7597 (iv).
Supply:
Canals-Cornwall (lighting, &c.)	6645;
Galops (channel completion) 6335; (enlargement) 6204; North Channel (dam, &c.) 6315 (iv).
Lighthouse and Coast Service (lighthouse Vepairs) 7597 (iv).
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (Halifax to Liverpool) 62M; (St. John and Glasgow) 6213 (iv).
Ocean and River Service (damages to .perishable goods, P.E.I.) 7594 (iv).
Welland Canal Deepening, Policy of the Govt, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6361 (iv).
Robinson, Jabel, West Elgin.
Auditor General's Resignation, &c., on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Halifax) to Sup., 6634 (iv).
I.C.R., Political Appointments, (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6136 (iv).
Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6420 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., on Aunt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6727, 6746 (iv).
Roche, Winiam, Halifax.
Supply:
Public Works-Dredging-N.S. (new plant) 7885 (iv).
Roche, W. J., Marquette.
Dixon, Mr. Geo., Homestead Entry, Performance of Duties, &c. (Ques.) 6885 (iv).
Duck Mountain Timber Berths, Sale, &c. (Ques.) 6543 (iv).
Supply:
Indians-B.C. (hospitals, .irrigation, &c.) 6958; (medical relief) 6957; (travelling expenses) 6958 (iv).
Indians-Man. and N.W.T. (annuities) 6941; (clothing) 6946; (Elkhorn school) 6948; (farm implements) 6942; (general expenses) 6954; (live stock) 6944; (medical attendance, &c.) 6945; (seed grain) 6942; (Sioux treaty) 6953; (surveys) 6951; Yukon (medical attendance) 6959 (iv).
Rosamond, B., North Lanark.
Supply:
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Ont. (Goderich harbour) 7757 (iv).
Ross, Hon. Wm, Victoria, N.S.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. (Mr. Parmelee) to sit during Sittings of Hse., 6679 (iv).
Apples shipped' in Cold Storage to G.B. (remarks) in' Com. of Sup., 6183 (iv).
Fish Driers, Unsuccessful Methods (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7590 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6389, 6503, 6519 (iv).
Personal Explanation, " Dennis Eagan " Letter, Par. from Newspapers (read)' 7542 (iv). Ry. Act Amt. B. 1B2 (Mr. Fitzpatrick)1 in Com., on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) re Ry. Commissioners, 6725 (iv).
Supply :
Indians-P.E.I. (relief and seed grain) 6939. Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (Can. and G.B.) 6163 (iv).
Public Work"-'Dredging-N.S. (new plant) 7886; Harbours and Rivers, N.S. (Breton Cove boat landing) 7636; (Green Cove) 7641; (Port Hawkesbury) 7644 (iv).
Ross, Wm., South Ontario.


Robt.   A.@: 
Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6474 (iv).
Scott, W., West Assinihoia.	[DOT]
Govt. Patronage re Prince Albert Newspaper (remarks) 6642 (iv).
Supply :
'Canals-Trent (construction) 6841 (iv).
Public Works-Roads and Bridges (colonization roads, Man. and N.W.T.) 8020 (iv).
Sherritt, J., North Middlesex.
Grand Bend Breakwater, Contract re McTav-ish Co. (remarks) In Com. of Sup., 7843 (iv). Supply :
Public Works'-Harbours an,d Rivers-Ont. (Grand Bend pier) 7843; (Sarnia dredging) 7856 ; (Spanish River) 7858 ; Que. (Three Rivers wharf) 7841 (iv).
Sifton, Hon. Clifford, (Minister of the Interior), Brandon.
Dixon, Ge'o., Homestead Entry, Duties re (Ans.) 6885 (iv).	'
Duck Mountain, Timber Berths, Sale of (remarks) 6543 (iv).
Dundonald, Lord, Letter to W. T. R. Preston, on Inquiry for Copy (Mr. Clarke) 6018, 6552, 6682 (iv).
Geological Survey Rep. presented, 6150 (iv). Indians, N.B., Fishing Rights leased to Henry Bishop (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6937 (iv).

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Sifton, Hon. Clifford-Con.
Indian Schools, Results of Education (remarks) ins Com. of Sup., 6955 (iv).
Indian Timber cut on Reserves (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6934 (iv).


Land Titles Act Amt.   OB@:  Generally (Dr. Bryce, salary) 6960.

 Man. and N.W.T. (annuities)' 6941 ;
(clothing) 6946; (Elkhorn school) 6848; (farm implements) 6943; (general expenses) 6955; (industrial schools) 6946 ; (live stock)' 6944; (medical attendance, &c.) 6945; (saw mills) 6954; (seed grain) 6942; (Sioux treaties) 6953; (surveys) 6951.

 N.B. (agents' salaries) 6937 (iv).

 Ont. and Que. (legal expenses)
6932 (iv).

 P.E.I. (medical attendance) 6941 ;
(relief and seed grain) 6938; (travelling expenses) 6938 (iv).

Yukon (medical attendance) 6909.
Walpole Island, Instructions re Survey (read) 6932 (iv).
Sinclair, John H., Guysborough.
Guysborough Election, Political1 Interference re I.C.R. Employees (remarks)' in Com. of SUp., 6032, 6066, 6106 (iv).
Smith, Raiph, Vancouver.
G.T.P. Surveys, Aliens, &c., Names of Men deported (Ques.) 6884 (iv).
Supply:
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-B.C. (Anderson's Lake) 71876 (iv).
Smith, E. D., South Wentworth.
Cold Storage Transportation on Steamships, &c. (amt.) to Com. of Sup., 7907; Neg. (Y. 38; N. 62) 7936 (iv).
Elour Standards set, &c. (Ques.) 6545 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6523 (iv).
Supply :
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (G.B. and Can.)' 6162; (Halifax and Liverpool) 6211; (St. John and London) '6215 (Iv).
Ventilation on Allan Sirs., re Cold Storage (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6176 (iv).
Speaker. Mr. (Hon. N. A. Belcourt), Ottawa.
Bills, Royal Assent, Com. from Gov. Gen.'s Sec., 6905 (iv).

 Mess. , from His Ex., 6923 (iv).


Robt.   A.@: 
Atlantic Fast SS.: Contract with Allans (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6156, 6167, 6182 (iv).
Auditor General's Resignation, &c., on Amt. (Mr. Borden, Halifax) to Sup., 6597 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 160 (Mr. Fielding) in Com., 7787 (iv).
Beaver River Fish Hatchery, Establishment '(remarks) in- Com. of Sup., 7587 (iv).
Business of the Hse., Govt. Legislation' (remarks) 6787 (iv).
Canada Eastern Ry., Purchase of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6238 (iv).
Canada Southern Railway Co.'s B. 40 (Mr. Ingram) on Sen. Amts., 6845 (iv).
Cold Storage Transportation' on Ocean Vessels, on Amt. (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) 7927.
Cornwall Canal, Davis Lighting Contract (remarks)' in Com. of Sup., 6648 (iv).
Dog-Fish Pest, Rep. of Commissioners, on Inquiry for, 6930 (iv).


Dorn.   E@: 148 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 7658, 7663 (iv).
Dundonald, Lord, Farewell to, Adjournment re (remarks) 7542 (iv).
Editorials in English Papers re Lord Dun-donald's Dismissal, &c. (remarks) 6023 (iv).
Estimates, " Jumbled " in making up, &c. (remarks) in- Com. of Sup., 7760 (iv).
Fish carried in Bond to U.S. Ports, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7586 (iv).
Fisheries Jurisdiction between Provs. and 'Dom. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7572 (iv).
G.T.P. Surveys, Expenditure, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6201 (iv).
G.T.Ry., Rentals, &c. (remarks) on Cone., 6684 (iv).

Slander of the Judges (remarks) in
Com. of Sup., 6105 (iv).
Indian Timber cut on Reserves (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6934 (iv).
I.C.R. and P.E.I. Rys., Pay to Labourers (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6225 (iv).
I. C. R., Political Appnmts. (remarks) Com. of Sup., 6117 (iv).
Jackson, J. B., Appnmt. as Commercial Agent, Charges re, on M. for Sup., 7817 (iv).
James Bay, Fishing License to Arch. .McNee [DOT] (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7575 (iv).
Judges appointed as Political partisans (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6117 (iv).
Library, House of Commons, Better Lighting,
*	&c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7621 (iv).
McArthur, Rev. Mr., Claims for Damages re Cardinal Canal (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6309 (iv).
Mail sent via New York and Allans' Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., '6184 (iv).
" Military Gazette " (Canadian) re Govt. Patronage (remarks) 7906 (iv).
Murray Harbour Ry., P.E.I., on Cone, (remarks) 6684 (iv).
N.W. Mounted Police, Land Scrip for 1885 'Rebellion (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7965.
Ottawa Buildings for Govt. TJse, Rentals, and Erection of (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7625.
Preston, Mr. W. T. R., Charges re (remarks) on M. for Sup., 7817 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@:  Ques. of Order, Unparliamentary Language (Mr. Oliver) 6641 (iv).
Standard Passenger Tolls, on Amt. (Mr. Maclean) to Ry. B., 6766 (iv).
Supply :
Canals-Galops (channel completion) 6339; (enlargement) 6304; Lachine (dredging basins) 6826; (slope walls) 6825; North Channel (dam, &c.) 6314; Sault Ste. Marie (construction) 6817; Trent (construction) 6827; Welland (electric plant) 6349, 6797; (obstructions, &c.) 6360 (iv).
Civil Govt.-Trade and Commerce (salaries) 6150 (iv).	[DOT]
Sproule, T. S.-Con.
Supply-Con.
Fisheries (fish culture) 7587; .(Georgian Bay laboratory) 7593; (inspectors, &c.) 7572.
Indians-N.S. (salaries) 6933; P.E.I. (travelling expenses)' 6938 (iv).
Justice-Miscellaneous'	(consolidation of
statutes) 7960; (litigated matters) 7961.
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (St. John and London) 6215; (St. John and W. Indies) 6216; (S't. Lawrence route) 6156.
Miscellaneous (Champlain's monument) 7972.
Penitentiaries (parole system) 7955 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings-Dom. (armouries) 7620; (electric power) 7631; (experimental farms) 7620; (generally) 7619; (heating, &c.) 7630 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings-Ottawa (grounds) 7629; (heating, &c.) 7629; (lighting, repairs, &c.) 7620; (Major's Hill Park) 7629; (Rideau Hall, fuel) 7628 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings-Que, (Valleyfleld) 7972 (iv).
Public Works-Buildings-Yukon (repairs, &c.) 7632 (iv).
Public Works-'Dredging-'Generally (new plant) 7885; Ont. (new plant) 7881; P.E.I. (new dredge) 7880 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-N.S. (Glace Bay) 7641 (iv).
Public Works-Barbours and Rivers-Ont. (Collingwood harbour) 7751, 8022; (Depot Harbour) 7754; (Gananoque dredging) 7754; (Goderich harbour) 7757; (Grand Bend pier) 7845; (Kingsville pier) 7852: (Meaford pier) 7852; (Owen Sound har bour) 7853; (Rondeau, dredging) 7855; (Sault Ste. Marie, dredging) 7856; (Spanish River) 7857, 7861; (Temiscaming wharf) 7852; (Thessalon) 7863; (Thornbury) 7863.
Public Works'-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Bonaventure East) 7766; (Caplan breakwater) 7.767; (Champlain wharf) 7767; (Deschambault wharf) 7767; (Grand Vallee pier) 7768; (Lottoini&re wharf) 7777; (Ri-mouski piers)1 7780; (RiviSre du Loup) 7781; (Ste; Famille pier) 7782; (Seven Islands wharf)' 7828, 7832 , 7975; (Three Rivers wharf) 7838; (Yamaska dredging) 7843 (iv).
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Yukon (Lewes' and1 Yukon rivers) 7880 (iv).
Public Works-'Miscellaneous (arbitrations) 7895; (architects, &c.) 7895; (surveys. &c.) 7895; (transportation commission) 7896.
Public Works-Road's and Bridges (Colonization roads, Man. and N.W.T.) 8018 (iv).
'Public Works-Telegraph Lines Generally (Marconi system) 7896; P.E.I (Govt, system) 7894; Que. (Anticosti, Fox Bay) 7895; (Bersimis to Godbout) 7895 (iv).
Railways-I.C.R. (Windsor branch! 6219; P.E.I. (working expenses) 6220 (iv).
Temiseouata Ry. Co.'s B. 1<44 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com., 6790 (iv).
Temporary Clerks, Placing on Permanent
List (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7896 (iv).
Thompson River Improvement Co.'s incorp.
B. 79 (Mr. Galliher) on Sen. Amts., 7966 (iv).
Treadgold Concession, Delay in bringing
down 'Commissioner's Rep. (remarks) 7795.
West Canadian Collieries, Limited. B. 80 (Mr. Oliver) in Com., 6094; on Sen. Amts., 77121.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6472 (iv).
Montreal Terminal Ry. Co.'s (B. 120) M. to ref. back to Com. on Rys., 6785 (iv). Supply :
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Que. (Grand Vallee pier) 7772; (Three Rivers wharf) 7840.
Taylor, Geo., South Leeds.
Acetylene Gas in' Lighthouses, St. Lawrence River, Notification to Keepers (Ques.) 6681. Frankville Postmaster, Refusal to send letter ,to M.P.'s without postage stamps (remarks) 6549 (iv).
Kingston Penitentiary, Appnmt. of Protestant Chaplain, Letter re (read) in Com. of Sup., 7950 (ivl.
Postal Matter, Free Postage to Members of iParlt. (remarks) 6549 (iv).
St. Lawrence River Ship Channel, in Com.
of Sup., 7616 (iv).
Supply :
Administration of Justice-Yukon (sheriff's allowances) 7945 (iv).
Canals-'Cham'bly (macadamizing roads) '6872; Sault Ste. Marie (construction) 6818; Soulanges (workshops, &c.) 6863 (iv). Ocean and River Service (St. Lawrence 'River ship channel) 7616 (iv). Penitentiaries-Kingston (chaplain's salary) 7950 (iv).
Public Works'-Harbours and Rivers-Ont. '(Goderich harbour) 7763; Que. (Descham-bault wharf) 7767; (Grand Vall&e pier) 7772; (Seven Islands' wharf) 7990; (Three Rivers wharf)' 7837 (iv).
Thompson, A. T., Baldimand and Monck.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6434, 6447, 6473, 6513, 6525 (iv).
Tisdale, Hon. D., South Norfolk.


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 *(Sir Frederick 'Borden) in Com., 6470, 6790, 6882 (iv).
Vrooman, A. E., South Victoria, Ont.
Supply :
Canals-Trent (construction) 6827 (iv). 'Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-Ont. (Otonabee dredging) 7855; (Port Perry dredging) 7854 (iv).
Wade, F. B., Annapolis.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. ('Mr. Parmelee) to sit concurrently with Sittings of Hse., 6677 (iv).
VOL. IV.-B i
Wade, F. B.-(Ton.
Apple Shipments in Cold Storage on Atlantic Strs. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6177 (iv). Ry. Act Amt. B. 132 (Mr. Fitzpatrick) ip 'Com., on Amt. ('Mr. Maclean) re Decision of Ry. Commissioners, 6716 (iv).
Supply :
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions (Can.
and G.B.) 6166 (iv).	[DOT]
Public Works-Harbours and Rivers-N.S. (Victoria Beach) 7647 (iv).
Ward, H. A., East Durham.
Cornwall Canal, Davis Lighting Contract (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 6671 (iv).
Gregory, Lt.-Col., Resignation, &c., on M. for Sup., 7694 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6513 (iv).
Wilmot, R. D., Sunbury and Queen's, N.B.
St. John River Dredging, &c. (remarks) in Com. of Sup., 7886 (iv).
Supply:
Public Works-'Dredging-^Mar. Provs. (hydraulic plant) 7889; N.S. (new plant) 7886.
Wilson, Uriah, Lennox.
Agriculture and Colonization Com., on M. (Mr. Parmelee) to sit during Sittings of Hse., 6680 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 
INDEX-SUBJECTS
[Stage Direction]
Abrams Wharf, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7631 (iv).
Acetylene Gas Changes in Lighthouses on St. Lawrence River, Notification to Keepers : Ques. (Mr. Taylor) 6681 (iv).
Acetylene Gas in Lighthouses :	Reps, asked
for (Mr. Haggart) 7597 (iv).
Acetylene Gas used for Cold Storage re Fisheries : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7589 (iv).
Ad Hoc Judges :	in Com. of Sup., 7939 (iv).
Administration of Justice, N.W.Ters.: in Com. of Sup., 7938 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7939 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Yukon : In Com. of Sup., 7945 (iv).
See ' Justice.'
* Admiral ' Str., GaspS Route :	Remarks in
Com. of Sup., 7447 (iv).
Advertising re Dom. Land® : in Com. of Sup., 7969 (iv).
Agriculture and Colonization Com., Concurrent Sittings with Hse.:	M. (Mr. Parmelee)
6676 (iv). [DOT]
[Stage Direction]
Rep. of Mr. Macoun re Peace River :
Remarks (Mr. Oliver) in Com. of Sup., 7347.
Agriculture, Experimental Farms : in Com. of Sup., 7364 (iv).
Alaskan Boundary : Cor. laid on Table (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 6263 (iv).
Alberton Station ' Y,' Abolition of :	Remarks
(Mr. Lefurgey) in Com. of Sup., 6232 (iv).
'Alert' Str., Transference to Marine Dept.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7593 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Use by Supt. Stewart for Pleasure
Yacht :	Remarks1 (Mr. Reid, Grenville)' in
Com. of Sup., 7472 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Remarks (Mr. Pringle) 7520 (iv).
Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: 
Atlantic Fast SS.: Service, Contract re Mails, &c.: in 'Com. of Sup., 6154 (iv).
Atlantic Mail Steamers, Average Speed, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 6888 (iv).

 Ques. (Mr. McCool) 7081 (iv).
Auditor General, and Audit Act, Extension,
1	&c.:	Amt. (Mr. Borden, Halifa"' *o Com.
of Sup., 6553; Neg. (Y. 56; N. 94) 6636 (iv).
Auditor General, Resignation, Action of Govt. re : Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 6887 (iv).
Aylmer. Ont., Establishment as an Outport for Customs :	Ques. (Mr. Ingram) 7439 (iv).
Baie St. Paul Wharf, Que.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7766 (iv).
Bailey's Brook Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7634 (iv).
Banff Hot Springs, Maintenance, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 7074 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@:  Remarks (Mr. Fielding) 6789 (iv).
Banking Com., Meetings, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Henderson) 7364 (Iv).



Barry's Bay Wharf, Mad-awaska, On-t.: in Com. of Sup., 7T51 (iy).
' Bavarian ' and ' Tunisian,' Allan- Strs., Tonnage, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 6154 (iv).
Baxter's Harbour, N.S.: in Com. of . Sup., 7635.
Bayfield Harbour, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7635.
Bayfield Harbour, Ont., Extension of Southern Bier :	in Com. of Sup., 8021 (iv).
Beaver River Hatchery, Establishment :	Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 7587.
Bell, Dr., Appncmt. as Director of Geological Survey : Remarks (Mr. Armstrong) in Com. of Sup., 7057, 7060 (iv).

Increase of Salary :	in Com. of Sup.,
7213 (iv).
Bell Telephone Co., Decision of Ry. Commissioners at Port Arthur in Com. on Ry. B. 132, 6726 (iv).
Bersimis to Godbout Telegraph Service :	in
Com. of Sup., 7894 (Iv).
Big Pond Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7636.
Bills, Royal Assent, Com. from Gov. Gen.'s Sec., 6905 (iv).

 Mess, from His Ex., 6923 (iv).
Binder Twine Seizures : Inquiry for Ret., 6024.
Bisley Prizes :	See ' Canadian Prizes.'
Black Brook Wharf, P.E.I.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7744 (iv).
Blood Indian Reserve, Lease for Grazing Purposes :	Remarks (Mr. Roche, Marquette)
in Com. of Sup., 7197 (iv).
Bonaventur-e, Igast, Breakwater, Que.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7766 (iv).
Boundary, B.C., Demarcation :	in Com. of
Sup., 7077 (iv).
Bowing on Floor of House- when passing members who are speaking :	Ques. of Order
(Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 7235 (iv).
Bracebridge Wharf, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7751 (iv).
Breton Cove, N.S., Boat Landing :	in Com. of
Sup., 7636 (iv).
Brick-making in Penitentiaries :	In Com. of
Sup., 7957 (iv).
Biidgewater, N.S., Harbour Dredging : in Com. of Sup., 7637 (iv).
Bryce, Dr., Appnmt. and Salary as Medical Inspector for Indians :	in Com. of Sup., 6960.
Buildings, Dorn., Rented by Govt., Generally : List read (Mr. Hyman) in Com. of Sup., 7613 (iv).
Buildings, Dam.: in Com. of Sup., 7619 (iv).

 Remarks (Mr. Lennox) in Com. of Sup.,
6238, 6244 (iv).

Collectors' Salaries : in Com. of Sup.,
63-31-2, 7531- (iv).

 Operating Staff, Statement of Expenses :
-Remarks (Mr, Em-mers'on) in Com. of Sup., 6675 (iv).	-

 Surveys, Generally : in Com. of Sup.,
7472 (iv).

Tolls, Collection re. Govt.'s Position :
Remarks (Mr. Reid, Grenville) in Com. of Sup., 7470 (iv).

Working Expenses :	Remarks (Mr. Lennox) on Cone., 6684 (iv).
Ccpe Tormentine Improvements, N.B.: in Com. of Sup., 7745 (iv).
Caplan 'Breakwater, Que.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7767 (iv).
Caraquet -Wharf, N.B.: in- Com. of Sup., 7745.
Cardinal Canal :	in Com. of Sup., 6308 , 6324,
6331-2, 7594 (iv).
Cashel, Capture of, Expenditure re :	in Com.
of Sup., 7963 (iv).
Cattle Guard Commission, Expenditure re, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Lennox) in Com. of Sup., 7475.



Cattle Guard Commission, Extra Remuneration: Ques. (Mr. Lennox) 6545 (iv).
Cedar Lake Fishery Overseer :	Remarks (Mr. Hughes) in Com. of Sup., 7579 (iv).
Census, 1901, Total Expenditure :	Ques. (Mr. Blain) 7224 (iv).
Chambly Canal, Damages by Floods :	in Com.
01 Sup., 7537 (iv).

 Ques. (Mr. Monk) 6365 (iv).

Denault's Culvert :	in Com. of Sup.,
6870 (iv).

Dredging at Ste. Thgrfese Island :	in
Com. of Sup., 6869 (iv).

Electric Power House :	in Com. of Sup.,
7537 (iv).	.

 Macadamizing Road :	in Com. of Sup.,
6870 , 7470 (iv).

Waste Weir :	in Com. of Sup.,'7536 (iv).

Wharf :	in Com. of Sup., 6872 (iv).
Chambord Wharf, Que.:	in Com. of Sup., 7767.
Champlain's Monument :	in Com. of Sup.,
7969 (iv).
Champlain Wharf, Que.:	in Com. of Sup., 7767.
Chaplains appointed to Penitentiaries, Protestant :	Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of
Sup., 7950 (iv).
' Chapman ' Ball-Bearings, Application re I.C.R. Cars :	Remarks (Mr. Blain) in Com. of
Sup., 6286 i(iv).
Charlottetown, P.E.I., Station Site :	Remarks
(Mr. Haszard) in Com. of Sup., 6237 (iv).
Charlottetown Wharf, Construction :	in Com.
of Sup., 7598 (iv).
Chateau Richer Harbour Improvements :	In
Com. of Sup., 7767 (iv).
Cheese Cooling Stations, Expenditure and Accounts :	Remarks (Mr. Taylor) 7171 (iv).
Cheese Curing and Paraffining : Remarks (Mr. iMacLaren) in Com. of Sup., 7412 (iv).
Cliesley Postmastership, Appnmt. of :	Ques.
(Mr. Blain) 7081 (iv).
Chicken-Fattening Stations, Expenditure re : Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of Sup., 7422.

Inquiry for O.C.'s re (Mr. Barker) 6150.

 Remarks (Mr. Lennox) re Time of Discussion, 7538 (iv).

 See 'Davis.'

Dredging Shoals ; in Com. of Sup., 6347.

Employees, Delay in Paying : Remarks
(Mr. Pringle) in Com. of Sup., 7529 (iv).

Enlargement :	in Com. of Sup., 6295,
6644 (iv).
Cornwall and Williamsburg Canal Workshops, Completion of :	Ques. (Mr. Lennox) 6544.
Cow Bay, N.S., Dredging :	in Com. of Sup.,
7.637 (iv).
C. Ross Co., Ottawa, Payments to by Govt.: Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 6544 (iv).
Culbute Canal, Damages by Floods :	in Com.
of Sup., 7469 (iv).
Customs Collectorship, Victoria, B.C., Vacancy, i&c.; Ques. (Mr. Earle) 6364 (iv).
Dairying Commissioner's Branch, Lectures, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 7405 (iv).
Dairy Products, Fraudulent Weighing at Montreal :	Amt. (Mr. Pope) to Com. of Sup.,
7244; Neg. (Y. 46; N. 75) 7271 (iv).
Dalhousie Harbour Improvements, N.B.:	in
Com. of Sup., 7747 (iv).
Dauphin Lake, Lowering of Water :	in Com.
of Sup., 7876 (iv).
Davis Contract re Cornwall Canal., Aud. Gen.'s Letter re Papers ; Remarks (Mr. Puttee) 6879 (iv).

Lighting Cornwall Canal :	in Com. of
Sup., 6645 (iv).	.
See ' Cornwall Canal.'
Deer Island Telegraph Lines : in Com. of Sup., 7891 (iv).
Defence Committee, London, Tels. between Can. and Imp. Govt.: Ref. to in Com. on Militia Bill, 6365 (iv).
* Dennis Eagan ' Letter :	Personal Explanation
(Wm. Ross, N.S.) 754'2 (iv).
Depot Harbour Breakwater, Ont.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7753 (iv).

Dredging :	in Com. of Sup., 8022 (iv).
Deschambault Wharf, Que.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7767 (iv).



Digby Pier, N.S.: in, Com. of Sup., 7637 (iv).
Dipper Harbour Breakwater, N.B.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7747 (iv).
Dixon, Mr. Geo., Homestead Entry, Duties, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Roche, Marquette) 6885 (iv).
Dodd, Judge, Salary, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 7939.
Dog-iFish Pest, Commission re Investigation : Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax) on M. for Sup., 6973; Letter fnom Mr. Howard Smith: Read, 6977 (iv).

 Report of 'Commissioners :	Inquiry for
(Mr. Borden, Halifax) 6928 (iv).
Dom. Buildings, Rentals, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 7622 (iv).	v

List of Buildings : Read (Mr. Hyman)
7622 (iv).


Dorn.   E@:  for Canals : in Com. of Sup., 7466 (iv).

Generally	:	in	Com. of	Sup., 7885 (iv).

 Man.:	in	Com.	of Sup.,	7884	(iv).

 Mar. Provs., Hydraulic Plant :	in Com.
of Sup., 7880 (iv).

 N.S.:	in	Com.	of Sup.,	7885	(iv).

 Ont.:	in	Com.	of Sup.,	7880	(iv).

 Ont. and Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7886 (iv).

 P.E.I.:	in Com. of Sup., 7880 (iv).
Duck Mountain Timber Berths, Sale of : Ques. (Mr. Roche, Marquette) 6543 (iv).
Dundonald. Lord-, ' Exploiting by Tories,' Speech of Mr. Lemieux in Eng.: Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 7082 (iv).

Farewell to, Adjournment of Hse.:	Remarks (Mr. Sproule) 7542 (iv).

Letter from Mr. Preston re :	Read (Mr. Clarke) 6014-15 (iv).

Govt. Policy re : Remarks (Mr. Clarke)
6551; Statement (Mr. Slfton) 6552 (iv).

Inquiry for Copy (Mr. Clarke) 6681 (iv).
Eastman-, Mr. E. P., Emplymt. at St. Louis, Allowance to, &c.:	Ques. (Mr. Fowler) 7441.

 Remarks (Mr. Fowler) in Com. of Sup.,
7420, 7430 (iv).
Eaton Ice Process Prospectus [DOT] Read (Mr. Kaulbach) 7003 (iv).
Editorials in English Press re Canadian- Affairs,
&c.:	Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 6023 (iv).
t
Edmonton ' Bulletin-,' Attack on Toronto * News ' :	-Remarks (Mr. Ingram) in Com.
of Sup., 7348, 7361 (iv).
Electric Power for Dom. Buildings :	in Com.
of Sup., 7631 (iv).
Elkhorn Indian School, Sale of Printing Press : Remarks (Mr. Roche, Marquette) in Com. of Sup., -6948 (iv).
Engineers for Dom. Buildings :	in Com. of
Sup., 7630 (iv).
Estimates, Procedure re One-Fifth Vote :	Remarks (Mr. Fielding) 6637 (iv).	*

 Suppl.:	Presented (Mr. Fielding) 7530.

 Remarks- (Mr. Sproule) 7243, 7760 (iv).
Exchequer Court, Additional Judges : Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) in Com. of Sup., 7945.

Salaries :	in Com. of Sup., 7939 (iv).
Experimental Farms Accounts, Discrepancies, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Taylor) in Com. of
Sup., 7371 (iv).

 Remarks (Mr. Taylor) 7171 (iv).'
Experimental Farm- Buildings :	in 'Com. of
Sup., 7620 (iv).
Express and Telephone -Cos., Amt. (Mr. Mac-
[DOT] lean) in Com. on Ry. Act Amt. B. 132, 6687.

Jurisdiction of Ry. Commission :	Remarks- (Mr. Maclean) in- Com. of Sup., 7449.
Fair-Wage Res., Application to bo-nuse-d Rys., &c.: Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 6883 (iv).
Farm Delegates to G.B., re Immigration :	Remarks (Mr. Blain) in- Com. of Sup., 7324 (iv).
Farran's Point Canal, Number of Locks :	Remarks (Mr. Reid, Grenville)- in Com. of Sup., 7520 (iv).
Father Point Landing -Pier, Que.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7767 (iv).
Fish Bait in Cold Storage :	in Com. of Sup.,
7590 (iv).
Fish carried in Bond to tJ.S., O.C. re :	Remarks (Mr. Fitzpatrick) in Com. of Sup., 7585 (iv).
Fish Culture :	in Com. of Sup., 7587 (iv).
Fish-Curing and Refrigerating Stations, &c.: Remarks on M. for Sup., 6973 (iv).
Fish Driers in Use :	Remarks (Mr. Prefontaine) in Com. of Sup., 7589 (iv).

Unsuccessful Methods :	Remarks (Mr. I^oss, N.S.) in Com. of Sup., 7590 (iv).

' Whitman ' Methods1:	Remarks (Mr. Hughes, P.E.I.) in Com. of Sup., 7591 (iv).
Fish Hatcheries :	in Com. of Sup., 7587 (iv).
Fish Hatcheries in Mar. Provs.:	List read (Mr. Prefontaine) 7587 (iv).
Fish Supply, Transportation to Ontario :	Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax)- in- Com. of Sup., 7448 (iv).



Fisheries, Cold Storage Inspection :	in Com.
of Sup., 7589 (iv).
Fisheries Inspectors :	in Com. of Sup., 7572,
7598 (iv).
Fisheries Jurisidiction between Provs. and Dom.:	Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7572 (iv).
Fisheries Protection, Regulations re Trap Nets: Remarks ('Mr. Osier) in Com. of Sup., 7572.
Fisheries Protection Service and American Fishing Cos.:	Remarks (Mr. Ganong) in
Com. of Sup., 7580 (iv).
Fishing Bounties, Increase in Payments :	in
Com. of Sup., 7593 (iv).
Fishing Industry of Mar. Provs.: Remarks (Mr Borden, Halifax) on M. for Sup., 6973 (iv)
Fishing Licenses granted in Lakes North of Winnipeg:	Ques. (Mr. Boyd) 7783 (iv).
Fishing Licenses on Eastern Sea-board, Rep. of Commissioners :	Remarks (Mr. Ganong)
7585 (iv).
Flesher, Mr., Inspector in Land Office, Minne-dosa ; Remarks (Mr. Roche, Marquette) Id Com. of Sup., 7063 (iv).
Flour Standards set, &c.:	Ques. (Mr. Smith,
Wentworth) 6545 (iv).
Fort Lawrence Pier, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7638 (iv).
Fraser River Protection Works, B.C.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7876 (iv).
4 Free Press,' Winnipeg, Harvest Number, Distribution re Immigration Literature :	Remarks (Mr. Roche, Marquette) in Com. of Sup., 7324 (iv).
Freight Discrimination re Canadians via Atlantic Strs.:	Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com.
of Sup., 6199 (iv).
Galops Channel, Completion :	in Com. of Sup.,
'6334- (iv).

 Enlargement :	in Com. of Sup., 6293,
7531 (iv).

 Pay of Staff, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Reid,
Grenville) 6294 (iv).
See ' North Channel.'
Gan'anoque Harbour Dredging, Ont.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7754 (iv).
Gas and Oil Exploration, &c.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7215 (iv).	'
Gaspd Basin and Paspebiac SS. Subvention : in Com. of Sup., 7461 (iv).
Gaspo and Dalhousie SS. Subvention : in Com. Of Sup., 7447 (iv).
' Gaspesia,' Str., Quebec and Gaspg Route, Efficiency, &c.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7445.
Geological Explorations in B.C.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7220 (iv).
Geological Specimens, Purchase of :	in Com.
of Sup., 7219 (iv).
Geological Surveys, Compilation, &c.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7220 (iv).
Geological Survey, Deptl. Salaries :	in Com.
of Sup., 7199 (iv).
Geological Survey Explorations, &c.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7215 (iv).
Geological Survey Reps., Postage re :	Remarks
in Com. of Sup., 7220 (iv).

 Rep.:	Presented (Mr. Sifton) 6150 (iv).

 Reports, Sale and Distribution :	Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 7213.
Georgeville Wharf, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7638.
Georgian Bay Laboratory for Fish :	in Com.
of Sup., 7593 (iv).
Gilbert, Dr., A'ppnmt. as Port Physician at Fraserville :	Ques. (Mr. Daniel) 7081 (iv).
Glace Bay, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7639 (iv).
Goderich Harbour Works, Ont.: in Com. of Sup., 7754 (iv).
Govt. Business, Legislation re :	Remarks (Mr. Fielding) 7363 (iv).
See ' Business,'
Govt. Cars used by Ministers, Number, &c.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7491 (iv).
Gov. Gen.'s Car, Purchase of : in Com. of Sup., 7491 (iv).

 Repairs to : in Com. of Sup., 7491 (iv).
Govt. Patronage re Mr. Oliver's Newspaper : Remarks (Mr. Ingram) 6642 (iv).
Grain and Grain Products carried on I.C.R., Quantity, &c.:	Ques. (Mr. Fowler) 7783 (iv).
Grand Bend Pier, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup., 7843.


Contract with McTavish & Co.: Remarks
(Mr. Sherritt) 7843 (iv).
.- 

Changes in Plans, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Sherritt) 7440 (iv).


Grand Manan SS.: : Remarks (Sir Wilfrid Laurier 7228 (iv).
G.T.Ry., Rentals paid to Govt.: Remarks (Mr. Sproule) on Cone., 6684 (iv).
G.T.P., Solicitorship :	Personal Explanation re
Par. in ' Mail and Empire ' (Mr. Fitzpatrick) 7226 (iv).

 Aliens on Surveys, Deportation of Aliens,
Action of Govt.:	Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 6542.
..

 evidence of Mr. Hays re letter to Prime
Minister of l'6th June :	Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 6292 (iv).

 names of those deported :	Ques. (Mr. Smith, B.C.) 6884 (iv).

res. from Can. Society of Civil Engineers :	Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 7439 (iv).

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G. T. P. Ry., Aliens on Surveys, verbatim evidence supplied to G.T.P. Authorities : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) 688b, 6890; Tel. read (Sir Wm. Mulock) 7022 (iv).

warrants for deportation :	Quc-s. (Mr. Clarke 6884 (iv).

Surveys, Expenses :	in Com. of Sup.,


'6290 (Iv).
[Stage Direction]
govt, parties, &c.:	Ques. (Mr. Lennox)
6544 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Grades and Curvatures :	Remarks (Mr. Boyd) in Com. of Sup., 6292 (iv).
Graiid Vallfie Pier, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7768.
Grant, Geo. N., Political Interference in Guys-borough Elections:	Remarks-(Mr. Sproule)
6040 (iv).
Greek Catholic Church, Investigation re Dispute as to Building :	Remarks (Mr. Roche, Marquette) in Com. of Sup., 7068 (Iv).
Green Cove Wharf, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7641.
Gregory, Lt.-Col.:	Inquiry for Papers (Mr.	Borden, Halifax)	6013,	6023, 6263	(iv).
[Stage Direction]
Incomplete	Cor.:	Remarks	(Mr.	Borden.
Halifax) 7023	(iv).
[Stage Direction]
Letter read re Resignation (Mr.. Lancaster) on M. for Sup., 7680 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Original Gazette re : laid on Table (Sir
Frederick Borden, King's) 7785 (iv).
Grenville Canal Wharf, Repairs, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 6865 (iv).
Grondines Wharf, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7774.
Guarantee Bonds Security for Public Officers, Notice re, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 7226 (iv).
Guysborough Elections and I.C.R. Employees, Political Interference :	Remarks, in Com.
of Sup., 6026 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 ' Heelers,' ref. to by Mr. Sinclair, 6066.
[Stage Direction]
 Ref. to (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 6105 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Slander of Judges, Ref. by Mr. Sinclair :
Remarks (Mr. Sproule) 6105 (iv).
Haanel, Dr., Rep. re Smelting Ores :	Remarks
(Mr. Sproule) in- Com. of Sup., 7058 (iv).
Halifax and Canso Mail Subsidy :	in Com. of
Sup., 7454 (iv).
Halifax and Liverpool SS. Service :	in Com.
of Sup., 6210 (iv).
Halifax and Newfoundland SS. Service : in Com. of Sup., 6210 (iv).
Halifax and Newfoundland Mail Subsidy :	in
-Com. of Sup., 7444 (iv).
Halifax County Dredging :	Remarks (Mr. Roche, Halifax) in- Com. of Sup., 7885 (iv).
Hall's Harbour, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7642.
Harbours and Rivers, B.C.: in .Com. of Sup., 7876 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Dom., Repairs, &c.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7850 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Man.:	in Com. of Sup., 7875, 7897 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Mar. Provs., Repairs, &c.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7774 (iv).
Harbours and Rivers, N.B.: in Com. of Sup., 7744 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 N.S.:	in	Com.	of	Sup., 7634 (iv).	.
[Stage Direction]
 N.S., Summary	of	Amounts expended	in
Estimates :. Remarks (Mr. Blain) in Com. of Sup., 7648 (Iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Ont.:	in Com. of Sup., 7750, 7843, 7897.
[Stage Direction]
 P.E.I.:	in Com. of Sup., 7736 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Que.:	in	Com.	of	Sup., 7766, 7828, 7896.
[Stage Direction]
 Yukon	:	in Com.	of Sup., 7879 (iv).
Harvest Number of Winnipeg ' Free Press' : See * Free Press,' ' Immigration.'
Harvey, Mr., Political Interference in Marquette :	Remark® (Mr. Roche) in Com. of
Sup., 7065 (iv).	.
Higgin's Shore Pier, P.E.I.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7736 (iv).
Holt, Mr., Allowance to re Cattle Guard Commission :	Remarks (Mr. Lennox) in Com.
of Sup., 7476 (iv).
Honora Wharf, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup., 7351 (iv).
Hopewell Cape Wharf, N.B.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7748 (iv).
Howard, Maj., Winner of King's Colonial Prize at Bisley :	Remarks (Mr. Fielding) 7437.
Hudson's Bay Fishery Patrol, &c.:	Remarks
(Mr. Maclean) ini Com. of Sup., 7578 (iv).
Hudson's Bay Lands, Purchase by Govt.:	Remarks (Mr. Maclean) in Com. of Sup., 7197.
Hudson's Bay, Patrolling and Customs Expenditure :	in Com. of Sup., 7968 (iv).
Hutton, Maj.-Gen.: Ref. to in Com. on Militia B., 6369 (iv).
Hydraulic Dredging Plant, Mar. Provs.:	in
Com. of Sup., 7880 (iv).
Ice-Breakers for Winter Mail Service :	Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7454 (iv).
Immigrants, Diseased, &c., Medical Inspection: in Com. of Sup., 7285 (iv).
Immigrants entering at Port of Halifax, &c.: Remarks '(Mr* Roche, Halifax) in Com. of Sup., 7315 (iv).
Immigration Campaign Literature, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Blain) in Com. of Sup., 7324, 7339 (iv).
Immigration Estimates :	Remarks (Mr. Wilson) 7222 (iv).
Immigration Literature, and advertising Whiskeys, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Henderson) in
'Com. of Sup., 7360 (iv).
Immigration Salaries and Medical Inspection of (Diseased Immigrants :	in Com. of Sup.,
7272 (iv).
Indian Corn, Rebate paid to Distillers :	Ques.
(Mr. Clancy) 6680 (iv).
Indian Harbour, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7642.
Indians, B.C., Agents' Salaries :	in Com. of
Sup., 6957 (iv).
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Indians, B.C., Hospital Grants, Irrigation, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 6958 (iv).
	 Industrial Schools :	in	Com.	of	Sup.,
6957 (iv).				
	Medical Attendance	: in	Com.	of	Sup.,
6957 (iv).				
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 Travelling Expenses	: in	Com.	of	Sup.,
6958 (iv).				
Indians, Generally, Expenditure		: in	Com. of	
Sup., 6960 (iv).				
Indians, Legal Expenses :	in	Com.	of	Sup.,
6932 (iv).				
Indians, Man. and N.W.T.,	Annuities :	in	Com.of Sup., 6941 (iv). 	Farm Implements : [DOT]6942 (iv).	in	Com.	of	Sup.,-	
General Expenses :	in	Com.	of	Sup.,
6954 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Live1 Stock : in Com. of Sup., 6944 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Medical Attendance :	in Com. of Sup.,
6945	(Iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Schools :	in Com. of Sup., 6946 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Seed Grain :	in Com. of Sup., 6942 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Surveys : in Com. of Sup., 6951 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Triennial Clothing :	in Com. of Sup.,
6946	(iv).
Indians, N.B., Additional Amount : in Com. of Sup., 6964 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Agents' Salaries :	in Com. of Sup., 6937.
[Stage Direction]
Fishing Privileges leased to Henry
Bishop, Letter from Chief Prisk :	Read
(Mr. Borden, Halifax) 6937 (iv).
Indians, N.S., Agents' Salaries :	in Com. of
Sup., 6933 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Medical Attendance :	in Com. of Sup.,
6937	(iv).
[Stage Direction]
Relief and Seed Grain :	in- Com. of Sup.,
6936 (iv).
Indians, Ont. and Quebec :	in Com. of Sup.,
6932 (iv).
Indians, P.E.I., Medical Attendance :	in Com.
of Sup., 6941 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Relief and Seed Grain :	in Com. of Sup.,
6938	(iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Travelling Expenses :	in Com. of Sup.,
6938 (iv).
Indian Saw and Grist Mills, Man. and N.W.T.: in Com. of Sup., 6954 (iv).
Indian Schools, Result of Education : Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 6955 (iv). Indian Timber Cut on Reserves :	Remarks
'(Mr. Borden, Halifax) in Com. of Sup., 6934. Indians, Yukon, Medical Attendance, &c.:	in
Com. of Sup., 6959 (iv).
Inland Revenue' Act re Distillers, Repeal, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Clancy) 6148 (iv).
Insane Patients in N.W. Ters.: in Com. of Sup., 7024 (iv).
Inspector of Mines, Salary :	in Com. of Sup.,
7056 (iv).
I.C.R.. Additional Sidings :	in Com. of Sup.,
6271 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Bridge Strengthening : in Com. of Sup.,
6264 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
i- Capital Expenditure, Information given
(Mr. Emmerson) in Com. of Sup., 6104 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Double Tracking from Moncton to Halifax :	Remarks (Mr. Gourley) in Com. of
Sup., 6287 (iv).
-[DOT]

 Draw-Bars for Freight Cars, &c.:	in
Com. of Sup., 6264 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Employees and Political Interference in
Elections :	Remarks in Com. of Sup., 6026.
[Stage Direction]
Employees1, Pay to Trackmen, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Clarke) in Com. of Sup., 6024.
[Stage Direction]
 Express Companies, Control of Business:
Remarks (Mr. Maclean) in Com. of Sup., 7449 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Interference in Running of Trains by Members : Remarks (Mr. Ingram) in Com. of Sup., 6254, 6276 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Patronage, Control of : Remarks in Com.
of Sup., 6109 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Political Appointments :	Remarks in
Com. of Sup., 6108 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Riviere Ouelle Spur Line : in Com. of
Sup., 7532 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Working Expenses :	in Com. of Sup.,
6024 (iv).
Inter-Imperial Preferential Trade and Mr. Le-mieux's Speech in England : Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 7082 (iv).
Interior, Civil Govt., Deptl. Salaries :	in Com.
of Sup., 6966 (iv).
Iona Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7642 (iv).
Island Point, N.S., Wharf :	in Com. of Sup ,
7642 (iv).
Italian Immigrants stranded in Montreal : Remarks (Mr. Wilson) 6931 (iv).	[DOT]
Jackson, J. B.; Appnmt. as Commercial Agent in G.B., Evidence, &c.:	Read (Mr. Bennett) on M. for Sup., 7798 (iv).
James Bay, Fishing License to Arch. M'cNee : Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 7575.
Janvrin's Island Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup ,
7642 (iv).
Judges appointed as Political Partisans : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 6117 (iv).
Judges, Appointment of and Promises made to Members :	Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) in
Com. of Sup., 7940 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Ques. of Order (Mr. Dep. Speaker) 7943.
Justice, Civil Govt., Salaries : in Com. of Sup , 7937, 7954 (iv).
See * Administration of.'
Katchawannoe Lake, Trent Canal Dredging . in Com. of Sup., 7466 (iv).
Kingston Penitentiary, Chaplains, &c.:	in Coin,
of Sup., 7950 (iv).
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Kingsville Pier, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup., 7852.
Kinkora Station, P.E.I. Ry.: Remarks in Com of Sup., 6231 (iv).
Knight's Point Breakwater, P.E.I.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7740 (iv).
Lachine Canal : in Com. of Sup., 6864 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Authority given for Ry. Purposes :	Remarks (Mr. Monk) 6150 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Bank, Lease to Municipality :	Remarks
(Mr. Monk) in Com. of Sup., 7510 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Construction : in Com. of Sup., 7538 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Dredging Basins Nos. 1 and 2 :	in	Com.
of Sup., 6826 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Electric Generator :	in Com. of Sup..
7583 (iv).	.
[Stage Direction]
 Electric Installation : in Com. of Sup..
'6826 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Employees, Delay in Paying :	Remarks
(Mr. Monk) in Com. of Sup., 7528 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Lock Gates- :	in Com. of Sup., 6868, 7536
[Stage Direction]
Locks Nos. 1 and 2, Repairs :	in	Com
of Sup., 7533 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Rebuilding Old Locks : in Com. of Sup..
6867 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Slope Walls : in Com. of Sup., 6825 (iv)
[Stage Direction]
Water Service re Fires :	in Com. of
Sup., 7534 (iv).
* Lady Laurier ' and Govt. Strs., Delay in Payment of Crew : Ques. (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 7-224 (iv).
Lake Dauphin, Lowering of Water :	in Com.
of Sup., 7876 (iv).
Laltefield, Trent Canal, Dredging : in Com. of Sup., 7466 (iv).
Lake St. John, Dredging, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7775 (iv).
Land Scrip, N.W.M. Police, for 1885 Rebellion : Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 7965 (iv).
Land Titles Act A-mt. B. 158 (Mr. Sifton) 1° m., 6874 (4v).
Laprairie Ice Piers, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7775.
I/Ardoise Breakwater Extension, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7642 (iv).
Larry's River Breakwater, N.S.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7642 (iv).
Legare, Jean Louis, Compensation re Removal of Sitting Bull to U.S.:	Remarks (Mr. -Scott) in Com. of Sup., 69-64 (iv).
Lemieux, Mr., Sol. Gen.: See ' Solicitor General.'
Leslie, Capt., Wrecking Plant :	Remarks (Mr. Reid, Grenville) in- Com. of Sup., 74-62 (iv).
Letter -Carriers, Pay on Sick Leave :	Ques.
(Mr. Clarke) 6888 (iv).
Levis Ry., Construction :	Remarks (Mr. Morin)
in Com. of Sup., 7468 -(iv).
Lewes River Dredging, Yukon :	in Com. of
Sup., 7879 (iv).
Library, H. of C., Better -Lighting, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 7621.
Lighthouse and Coast Service :	in Com. of
Sup., 7597 (iv).
Lighthouses on St. Lawrence River, Changes to Acetylene Gas, Notification to Keepers : Ques. (Mr. Taylor) 6681 (iv).
See ' Acetylene.'
Lighthouse Repairs :	in Com. of Sup., 75-97 (iv).
Lindsay, J. B., Lease of Grazing Lands' :	Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7221 (iv).
Lingan Beach -Protection, N.S.:	in- Com. of
Sup., 7643 (iv).
Litigated Expenses, Justice Dept.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7960 (iv).
Little Current Channel Improvements, Ont.: in Com. of Sup., 7852 (iv).
Live Stock Association Law :	Remarks (Mr. Osier) in- Com. on B. 151, 7237 (iv).
Live Stock Exhibitions :	Remarks in Com. of
Sup., 7406 (iv).
Livingstone's Cove- BreakwateT, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7643 (iv).
Lobster Hatchery in Bay of Fundy :	Remarks
(Mr. Ganong)- in- Com. of Sup., 7587 (iv).
* Lord S-trathcona ' Wrecking Plant, Subsidy : in Com. of Sup., 7461 (iv).
Lotbin-ifire Wharf, Que.:	in Com. of Sup., 7776.
Lunenburg County Dredging, &c.:	Remarks
(Mr. Kaulbach) in Com. of Sup., 7886 (iv).
Lunenburg County, Fish Hatcheries :	Remarks
(Mr. Kaulbach) in Com. of Sup., 7587 (iv).
Lurcher Lightship :	in Com. of Sup., 7597 (iv).
McArthur, Rev. Mr., Claims for Damages re Cardinal Can-al : Remarks- i(Mr. Reid, Grenville) in Com. of Sup., 6307 (iv).
McCreary, Mr., late M.P., Transfer of Body to Winnipeg, &c., and Private Cars : Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) in Com. of Sup., 7492.
McIntosh, Mr. John-, late M.-P., Decease of : Remarks (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 6546 (iv).
Mc-Laren's Creek, Roadway Construction :	Remarks i(Mr. Hughes, Ont.) in- Com. of Sup., 7488 (iv).
McNair's Cove Breakwater, N.S.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7643 (iv).
-McNee, Arch., Fishing Licenses : See ' James Bay Fishing.'
Macoun, Mr., Rep. re Agricultural Com.:	Remarks (Mr. Oliver) in Com. of Sup., 7347; Ques. of Order : Ruling (Mr. De-p. Speaker) 7348 (iv).	*
[Stage Direction]
 Distribution, &c.:	in Com. of Sup., 7201.
Magdalen Island and Mainland SS. Subvention : in Com. of Sup., 7444 (iv).
Magdalen Islands Breakwater, Piers, Que.:	iu
Com. of Sup., 7779 (iv).
Mail Contract with Allan Strs.:	Remarks- in
Com. of Sup., 6162 (iv).
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Mails sent via New York, Contract with Messrs. : Allan :	Remarks in Com. of Sup., 6162, 6184,
6200; Memo, read (Sir Richard Cartwright) 6202 (iv).
Mail Steamships, Average Speed per hour : Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 6546 (iv).
Mail Subsidies and SS. Subventions ; in Com. of Sup., 7444 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Can. and G.B.:	in Com. of Sup., 6154.
Main-a-Dieu Breakwater Extension, N.S.:	in
Com. of Sup., 7643 (iv).
Major's Hill Park, Ottawa :	in Com. of Sup.,
7620 (iv).
Malignant Cove Piers, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7643 (iv).
Manchester Line SS.: Subvention :	in Com. of
Sup., 7446 (iv).
Manitoba Voters' Lists, Copy received from Manitoba Goyt.:	Ques. (Mr. Boyd) 7440 (iv).
Maps, Printing and Lithographing :	in Com. of
Sup., 7079 (iv).
Marconi Telegraph System :	in Com. of Sup.,
7896 (iv).
Margaretsville Harbour Breakwater, N.S.:	in
'Com. of Sup., 7643 (iv).
Marine Dept, and Public Works Dept.:	See
1 Public Works,' &c.
Markey, F. C., Contract re North Fisheries : See ' Fishing License ' ; ' Winnipeg and Nelson River."
Masters and Mates Examination, &c.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7595 (iv).
Meaford Harbour Breakwater, Ont.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7852 (iv).
Melbourne Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7643.
Mess, from His Ex.:	Read (Mr. Speaker) 7530.
Meteghan Cove Breakwater, .N.S.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7643 (iv).
Midland Dock, Rental, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Bennett) in Com. of Sup., 7764 (iv).
Midland Harbour Wharf, Out.:	in Com, of Sup.,
7853 (iv).
Midland Mercantile & Trading Co., Letter from Mr. Gelinas (read) re Rental of Dock (iMr. Bennett) 7764 (iv).
Middle Raver Shear Dam., N.S.:	in C'om. of
Sup., 7643 (iv).
Milford Ry. Accident, N.S., Damages, &c.:	Remarks in Com. of Sup., 6140 l(iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: No. 5 (Sir Frederick Borden) in Com., 6365, 6378, 6467 (iv).

 Reprinting as Amended: Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 6681 (iv).

Remarks (Mr. Tisdale) 6882 (iv).
Militia Regulations, re Examinations : Inquiry for (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 6024 '(iv).
Militia at Sydney, Withdrawal, &c.:	Remarks
>(Mr. Clarke) 6788; Statement (Sir Frederick Borden) 6806 (iv).

and Hillsborough Bridge, Letter of Aud.
Gen.:	Read (Mr. Lennox) on Cone., 6682.
Musketry School Camp at Ottawa, Private Soldiers employed on Fatigue Duty : Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 7090, 7096 (iv).

Cor. re Expenditure at Camp :	Laid on
Table, 6969 (iv).


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[Stage Direction]
Newport Breakwater, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7779 (iv).
North Channel Dam, Completion, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 6314, 6323 (iv).
See ' Galops.'
Northern Fishing Rights, Granting of, &c.: Ques. '(Mr. Boyd) 7783 (iv).
North Head Breakwater, NJB.: in Com. of Sup., 7748 (iv).
North Shore Bower, Ry. and Nav. Co., Cor., &c., re Seven Islands Wharf :	Read (Mr. Clarke) 7982 (iv).
See ' Seven Islands.'
N W.M. Police, Capture of Convict Cashel, Compensation re Damages :	in Com. of Sup.,
7963 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Gratuity to Mrs. Beaupre :	in Com. of
Sup., 7618 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
 Gratuity to Mrs. Brooke :	in Com. of
Sup., 7618 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Pay of Force : in Com. of Sup., 7618 (iv).
N.W. Ters., Govt. Administration :	in Com.
of Sup., 7023 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Administration of Justice :	in Com. of
Sup., 7938 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Provinical Autonomy :	Remarks (Mr. Cochrane) in Com. of Sup., 7025 (iv).
Nova Scotia Judgeships, Promises'to Members re :	Remarks .in Com. of Sup., 7940 (iv).
O'Callaghan, Mr., Duties on Cornwall Canal : [Remarks (Mr. Pringle) in Com. of Sup., 7522 (iv).
Ocean and River Service :	in Com. of Sup.,
7594 fiv).
Ogden's Pond Protection Works, N.S.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7644 (iv).
Oil Boring Explorations in N.W.T.:	Remarks
in Com. of Sup., 7217 (iv).
Otonabee River Dredging :	in Com. of Sup.,
7855, 8022 (iv).
Ottawa Buildings, Heating, &c.:	in Com. of.
Sup., 7628 (iv).	[DOT]
[Stage Direction]
 Lighting, Repairs, &c.: in Com. of Sup.,
7620 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
Rentals paid to Govt.:	Remarks (Mr. Maclean) in Com. of Sup., 7624 (iv).
Ottawa Grounds :	in Com. of Sup., 7629 (iv).
Ottawa, House of Commons, Accommodation for Members' Wives :	Remarks (Mr. Ingram)
in Com. of Sup., 7620 (iv).
Owen Sound Protection Works, Ont.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7853 (iv).
Oyster Culture :	in Com. of Sup., 7588 (iv).
Pacific Bank of Canada B. No. 159 (Mr. Galli-her) 1°*, 6973; 2°*, 7721 (iv).
[Stage Direction]
M. (Mr. Macpherson) to place on Order
Paper, 7783 (iv).
Parole System, Appointment of Officer :	in
Com. of Sup., 7954 (iv).
Peace River, Rep. of J. M. Maeoun, Distribution, &c.:	Remarks in Com. of Sup., 7201.
See ' Maeoun,' &c.
Peace River, Roads and Bridges :	in Com. of
Sup., 7891 (iv).
Pelee Island Cable Connection with Mainland : in Com. of Sup., 8023 (iv).
Pembroke Breakwater, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7644 (iv).
Pembroke Wharf, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup., 7853.
Penetanguishene Pier, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7854 (iv).
Penitentiaries, Salaries :	in Com. of Su'p.,
7950 (iv).
Pension Scheme for P.E.I. Ry., Letters and Pets, re :	Read (Mr. Lefurgey) 6221, 6227.
Perce Wharf, Gaspe Co. Wharf:	in Com. of
Sup., 7780 (iv).
Perry, Mr., Winner of King's Prize at Bisley : Remarks (Sir Frederick Borden) 7436 (iv).
Personal	Explanation (Mr.	Fitzpatrick)	reG.T.P.	Solicitorship, 7226	(iv).
Personal Explanation (Mr. Boss, N.S.) re ' Dennis Eagan ' Letter, 7542 (iv).
Peterborough Dam, Trent Canal :	in Com. of
Sup., 7466 (iv).
Petit du Grat and Mulgrave SS. Subvention : in Com. of Sup., 7464 (iv).
Petit Rocher Breakwater, N.B.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7749 (iv).
Petroleum	Crude Bounty :	Prop.	Res.	(Mr. Fielding), 7785 (iv).
Pickett's Pier, Reconstructon, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7644 (iv).
Picton Custom House, Rental, &c.:	Remarks
(Mr. Wilson) in Com. of Sup., 7624 (iv).
Pictou Landing, I.C.R. Siding :	in Com. of
Sup., 7533 (iv).
Pictou and Murray Harbour SS. Subvention : in Com. of Sup., 7445 (iv).
Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: No. 100 (Mr. prefontaine) Sen. Amts., 6889 (iv).	-
Playfair & Co., Rental for Midland Dock : Remarks (Mr. Benne.tt) in Com. of Sup., 7765.
Pleasant Bay Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7644 (iv).
Pointe aux Anglais Lightkeeper, Duties, Dismissal, &c.:	Ques. (Mr. Leonard) 7225 (iv).
Point Prim Wharf, P.E.I.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7738 (iv).
Pointe St. Pierre Breakwater, Que.:	in Com.
.of Sup., 7780 (iv).
Political Appointments :	See ' I.'C.R.'
Political Interference and Govt. Officials in Man.:	Remarks (Mr. LaRividre) in Com.
of Sup., 7067 (iv).
Political Interference by Govt. Employees : See ' I.C.R.,' ' Guysborough,' &c.
Pclitical Interference re Militia (remarks) in Com. on B., 6382 (iv).

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Poonamalie Dam, Repairs, &c.:	Ques. (Mr. La veil) 7784 (iv).
Port Arthur and' Fort William, Decision of Ry. Commissioners re Bell Telephone Co.: Remarks (Mr. Maclean) in Com. on Ry. B. 182, 6733 (iv).
Port Bevis Wharf, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7636. Port Burwelf Harbour Works, Expenditure re, 1891 to 1896 :	Ques. (Mr. Ingram) 7440 (iv).
Port Colborne Deepening :	in Com. of Sup.,
6360 (iv).

Entrance Improvement :	in Com. of
Sup., 6807 (iv).
Port Credit Dredging, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Blain) in Com. of Sup., 7888 (iv).
Port Hastings Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7644 (iv).	[DOT]
Port Hawkesbury Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7644 i(iv).
Port Hood, Northern Entrance, N.S.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7645 (iv).
Port Hood Telegraph Lines :	in Com. of Sup.,
7692 (iv).
Port Maitland Breakwater Extension, N.S.:	in
Com. of Sup., 7646 (iv).
Port Mulgrave and Cheticamp SS. Subvention : in Com. of Sup., 7448 (iv).
Port au Pique Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7644 (iv).
Port Perry Dredging, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7854	(iv).
Port Stanley Dredging, Ont.: in Com. of Sup.,
7855	(iv).
Port Stanley Harbour Works, Total Expenditure from 1891 to 1896 :	Ques. (Mr. Ingram)
7440 (iv).
Postal Rates between Can. and G.'B. in 1868 : Ques. (Mr. Blain) 7437 (iv).
Postmaster's Refusal to send -Letter free to
M.P.'s :	Remarks (Mr. Taylor) 6549 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: Deficits and Expenditure :	Remarks
<Mr. Haggart) in. Com. of Sup., 6262 (iv).

 Dismissals in 1896 :	Remarks (Mr. Hackett) in Com. of Sup., 6220 (iv).
-	

 Pay to Labourers- :	in Com. of Sup.,
6220 (iv).

Working Expenses :	in Com. of Sup.,
6220 (iv).
P.E.I. Telegraph Lines, Connection and Govt. Control, -&c.: Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax) in Com. of Sup., 7892 (iv).

 Connection- With Port Hood, Govt. Control :	Remarks (Mr. Fielding) in Com. of
Sup., 7892 (iv).

Govt. System :	in Com. of Sup., 7894.



Ry. Commissioners' Private Oar, Purchase of : in Com. of Sup., 7503 (iv).
Railway Dept., Payments to Engineers, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 7490 (iv).

Payments to Extra Clerks :	in Com. of
Sup., 7489 (iv).
Railway Estimates, Information' from Minister : Remarks in Com. of Sup., 6267 (iv).
Railway Statistics, Collection of : in Com. of Sup., 7488 (iv).


Hon.  W. S.@: 
Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@:  Grounds, Repairs, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 8021 (iv).
Rimouski Pier Extension, Que.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7780 (iv).
River John Mail Contracts : Inquiry for Papers '(Mr. Bell) 6024 (iv).
RiviSre du Loup Harbour Improvements, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7781 (iv).
Roads and Bridges, N.W.T.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7891 (iv).
Rondeau Harbour Improvements and Pier, Ont.: in Com. of Sup., 7855 (iv).
Ross, Hon. W'm., Letter written as Minister of iMilitia re Elections :	Remarks (Mr. Ingram) 6063 (iv).

Denial and Stmnt. re Forgery (Mr. Ross)
6062 (iv).
Ross Rifle, Contract, Tests, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Northrup) 6886 (iv).
Russell, Mr., M.P., Judgeship re, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Hughes, Ont.) in Com. of Sup., 7940.
Rustieo Harbour Breakwater, P.E.I.:	in Com.
of Sup., 7739 (iv).
St. Amour's Gully, Soulanges Canal ; in Com. of Sup., 6868 (iv).
St. Andrews' Rapids, Man.:	in Coin, of .Sup.,
7897 (iv).
St. Charles Junction, I.C.R.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7532 (iv). [DOT]
Ste. Famille Pier Extension, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7782 (iv).
St. Gabriel Basin, Lachine Canal : in Com. of Sup., 7535 (iv).
St. Godfroi de Nouvelle Breakwater, Que.:	in
Oom. of Sup., 7782 (iv).
St. Jean des Chaillons Wharf, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7782 (iv).
St. John and Belfast SS. Service : in Com. of Sup., 6214 (iv).
St. John and Digby, SS. .Service :	in Com. of
Sup., 6216 (iv).
St. John and Dublin, SS. Service : in Com. of Sup., 6214 fiv).
St. John and Glasgow, SS. Service : in Com. of Sup,, 6213 (iv).
St. John and Minas Basin SS. Subvention : in Com. of Sup., 7445 (iv).
St. John and London, SS. Service : in Com. of Sup., 6215 (iv).
St. John, W. Indies and S. America, SS. Service :	in Com. of Sup., 6216 (iv).
St. John and Yarmouth, SS. Subvention :	in
Com. of Sup., 7445 (iv).
St. John River Dredging, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Wilmot) in Com. of Sup., 7886 (iv).
St. John River, Negro Point Breakwater, N.B.: in Oom. of Sup., 7750 (iv).
St. Lawrence Ship Channel : in Com. of Sup., 7599 (iv).
St. Lawrence River Ship Channel, Damages to Dredge, ' J. I. Tarte ' :	in Com. of Sup.,
8021 (iv).

'History :	Read (Mr. Prefontalne) in
Com. of Sup., 7613 (iv).

Insurance Rates, &c.:	'Remarks (Mr. Prefontalne) in Com. of Sup., 7607 (iv).

List of Dredges, Plant, &c.:	Read (Mr. Prgfontaine) 7600 (iv).

O.C. re Transfer of Duties from Public
Works to Marine Dept.:	Read (Mr. Prefontaine) 7599 (iv).
St. Lawrence Winter Navigation for Allan Strs.: Remarks in Com. of Sup., 6156, 7456.
St. Lawrence Wrecking Plant Subsidy : in Com. of Sup., 7461 (iv).
St. Louis Exhibition, Officers appointed, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Fowler) in Com. of Sup., 7404 (iv).
St. Maurice Slides : in Com. of Sup., 7891 (iv).
St. Ours Lock, Lachine Canal :	in Com. of
Sup., 6864 (iv).
St. Peter's Canal Dredging : in Com. of Sup., 7466 (iv).
St. Simeon Wharf, Que.: in Oom. of Sup., 7828.
St. Stephen and Back Bay Mail Subsidy : in Com. of Sup., 7453 (iv).
St. Thomas Military Camp, District No. 1, Total Expenditure :	Ques. (Mr. Ingram) 7226 (iv).



St. Thomas, 25th Battalion Club Rooms, Rent, &c.: Ques. (Mr. Ingram) 7226 (Iv).
Salmon River Breakwater, N.B.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7747 (Iv)
Salvation Army Officers and Parole System re Penitentiaries :	Remarks (Mr. Fitzpatrick)
in Com. of Sup., 7954 (iv).
Sandy Cove Breakwater, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7646 (iv).
Sarnia Dredging, Ont.:	in Com. of Sup., 7855.
Saskatchewan Valley Land Co., Mr. Steer's Rep. re Settlement :	Remarks (Mr. Roche,
Marquette) in Com. of Sup., 7034-5.

Anonymous Letter re Work at Clarke's
City :	Read (Mr. Taylor) 7991 (iv).


Shipping Casualties Act Amt.   B.@: No. 102 (Mr. Prefontaine) Sen. Amts., 6889 (iv).
Sbives Lumber Co., Cor. re Campbellton Wharf: Read (Mr, Fowler) 7788 (iv).
Shives, Mr., Purchase of Caraquet Wharf :	in
Com. of Sup., 7746 (iv).
Sioux Indians, Treaty, &c.:	in Com. of Sup,,
6953 (iv).
Skinner's Cove Protection Works, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7646 (iv).
Slides and Booms : in Com. of Sup., 7891 (iv).
Smith's Fails Bridge over Rideau Canal :	in
Com. of Sup., 7469 (iv).
Snow Cleaning, Ottawa Buildings :	in Com. of
Sup., 7630 (iv).
Solicitor General, Mr. Lemieux, and Political Speeches in England, Cable Despatch : Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 7082 (iv).
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Scnghees Indians, &c., Removal, &c.: Remarks (Mr. Earle) in Com. of Sup., 6959 (iv).
Soulanges Canal, Arms and Heaters :	in Com.
of Sup., 6868 (iv).

 Land Damages :	in Com. of Sup., 7538.

Steel Bridge over Power House :	in
Com. of Sup., 6862 (iv).

Survey for Breakwater :	in Com. of
Sup., 6862 (iv).

Water Wheel Governors :	in Com. of
Sup., 6868 (iv).

Workshops, &c.:	in Com. of Sup., 6863.
Souris Point Breakwater, P.E.I.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7740 (iv).
S. America and St. John, SS. Service :	in Com.
of Sup., 6216 (iv).
Southampton Harbour Improvements, Ont.: in Com. of Sup., 7857 (iv).
Spanish River Dredging, Ont.: in Com. of Sup., 7857 (iv).
Sparks, Mr. W. S., Emplymt. by Govt.: Remarks (Mr. Boyd) 7402 (iv).
Springhill Junction, Water Boring, I.C.R.:	in
Com. of Sup., 7532 (iv).
Spry Bay W'harf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup., 7647.
Standard Oil Refinery, Visit of Official re Bounties :	Remarks (Mr. Armstrong) 6173 (iv).
Standard Passenger Tariff Tolls :	Amt. (Mr. Maclean) in Com. on ijy. B. 132, 6761 (iv).
Statutes, Consolidation Commission, &c.:	in
Com. of Sup., 7958 (iv).
Stewart, Mr., Inspector of Timber, Experiments, &c.: in Com. of Sup., 7072 (iv).
Stewart, Mr., Rep. re Dom. Lands :	Remarks
in Com. of Sup., 7222 (iv).
Stewart, Supt. of Canals, and Str, ' Alert,' Use of :	Remarks (Mr. Reid, Grenville) in Com.
of Sup., 7472, 7520 (iv).

Hotel Expenses :	Remarks (Mr. Pringle)
in Com. of Sup., 7530 (iv).
Subsidies to Rys.:	See ' Ry. Subsidies.'
Summerside Breakwater, P.E.I.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7740 (iv).
Summerville 'Wharf Addition, N.S.: in Com. of Sup., 7647 (iv).


Supply B.: 

Sydney, B.C., Harbour Breakwater :	in Com.
of Sup., 8022 (iv).
Sydney, N.S:, and Bay St. Lawrence Mail Subsidy : In Com. of Sup., 7458 (iv).
Sydney and Whyeocomagh Mail Subsidy :	in
Com. of Sup., 7452 (iv).
Sydney Quarantine Station Wharf, N.S.:	in
Com .of Sup., 7647 (iv).
Sydney Riots, Withdrawal of Militia :	Remarks
(Mr. Clarke) 0788; Statement (Sir Frederick Borden) 6806 (iv).
' Tarte, J. I.,' Damages to Dredge :	in Com. of
Sup., 8021 '(iv).
Tasehereau, Sir Elzear, Remarks in England re Lord Dundonald and Tory 'Press :	Cable
read (Mr. Clarke) 7020 (iv).

Accuracy of Rep. of London Cable, Govtl.
Action.:	Ques. (Mr. Clarke) 7441 (Iv).

Cablegram in Montreal ' Star ' :	Read
(Mr. Clarke) 7361 (iv).
Tate Dry Dock, Lachine Canal :	in Com. of
Sup., 7534 (iv).
Telegraphers' Union and I.C.R.. Special Agreement re Dismissals :	Remarks (Mr. Emmerson) in Com. of Sup., 6038 (iv).
Telegraph Lines, N.B.; in Com. of Sup., 7891.


P.E.I.: in Com. of Sup., 7892 (iv)

Protection' and Encouragement ; Amt.
(Mr. Monk) to Sup., 6894; Amt. Neg. (Y. 19;
N.	50) 6927 (iv).

 Rep. of Commission, Printing :	M. (Mr. Monk) 7436, 7542 (Iv).
Toronto Harbour (eastern entrance) Improvements On-t.:	in Com. of Sup., 7864 (iv).
Toronto Harbour Island (south side) Piers : in Com. of Sup., 7874 (iv).
Tow-Boat purchased by Govt, from Laperrlere & Freres :	Ques. ( Mr. Leonard) 7442 (iv).
' Townsend ' Valves1 in Welland' Canal Locks : in Com. of Sup., 6887 (iv).
Trade and Commerce Dept., Salaries :	in Com.
of Sup., 6150 (iv).
Transportation Commission :	in Com. of Sup.,
7896	(iv).

Inquiry for Rep. (Mr. Lennox) 6362 (iv).
Transportation Facilities :	in Com. of Sup.,
7897	(iv).	.
Trap Nets and Fishery Regulations ; Remarks (Mr. Osier) in Com. of Sup., 7572 (iv). Treadgold Concession, Delay in bringing down Commissioner's Rep.:	Remarks (Mr. Borden, Halifax) 7792 (iv).

Suppression of Rep. of Commissioners :
Statement (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) 6013 (iv). Trent Canal, Construction :	in Coib. of Sup.,
6827, 6846 (iv).

Dredging Machinery :	in Com. of Sup.,
7466 (iv).

Lock Pier :	in Com. of Sup., 7466 (iv).
Trenton Harbour Dredging, Appnrnt. of Overseer : Ques. (Mr. Porter) 6149 (iv).
Tree Culture and Mr. Stewart's Experiments : Remarks (Mr. Sproule) in Com. of Sup., 7071 (iv).
Trois Pistoles Breakwater, Que.:	in Com. of
Sup., 7848 (iv).
Twelfth of July, Adjournment, &c.:	Remarks
(Mr. Hughes, Ont.) 6264 (iv).
Valleyfield Public Buildings : in Com. of Sup., 7972 (iv).
Vancouver Dry Dock, Arrangements re Discussion :	Remarks (Mr. Lennox) in Com. of
Sup., 7877 (iv).
Ventilation of Strs. re Cold Storage : Remarks (Mr. Smith, Wentworth) in Com. of Sup., 6176 (iv).
Verchfires Wharf, Que.: in Com. of Sup., 7843. Victoria and San Francisco Mail Subsidy :	in
Com. of Sup., 7444 (iv).

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Victoria Beach Wharf, N.S.:	in Com. of Sup.,
7647 (iv).
Victoria, B.C., Harbour, Dredging Inner Side : Remarks (Mr. Earle) in Com. of Sup., 7890.

 Use of ' King Edward ' :	Remarks (Mr. Earle) in Com. of Sup., 7878 (iv).


Victoria P.O.: , B.C., Rental, &c.:	Remarks (Mr. Earle) in Com. of Sup., 7622 (iv).
Voters' Lists, Printed and Distributed :	Ques.
(Mr. Blain) 6885 (iv).
Walke, W. M., Compensation re Damages, N.W.
M.P.: in Com. of Sup., 7619 (iv).
Walpole Island, Indian Surveys :	in Com. of
Sup., 6932 (iv).
Water Service for Dom. Buildings :	in Com.
of Sup., 7631 (iv).
Wedge Point Breakwater Extension, N.S.:	in
Com. of Sup., 7647 (iv).
Welland Canal, (Deepening, Govt. Policy :	Remarks (Mr. Reid, Grenville) in Com. of Sup., 6361 (iv).

Electric Lighting Plant :	in Com. of
Sup., 6348, 6797; Rep. of R. J. Parke : Read (Mr. Emmerson) 6807 (iv).
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 stmnt. (Mr. Emmerson) 6675 (iv).
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 Employees, Payments to :	Remarks (Mr. Lancaster) in Com. of Sup., 7511 (iv).

Gas Lighting ; Remarks (Mr. Lancaster)
in Com. of Sup., 6351 (iv).	*	,

Lock Tenders, Pensions to :	Remarks
(Mr. Lancaster) in Com. of Sup., 7524 (iv).

 Political Appointments :	Remarks in
Com. of Sup., 6H1 (iv).

 Protection to Banks :	in Com. of Sup.,
6866 (iv).

Fees, Expenses, &c.; in Com. of Sup.,
7949 (iv).

 Govt. Administration Expenses : in Com.
of Sup., 7025 (iv).

Judges, Travelling Allowances, &c ; in
Com. of Sup., 7945 (iv).

Law Library, Purchase of Books :	in
Com. of Sup., 7949 (iv).
Yukon and Lewes River Improvements :	in
Com. of Sup., 7879 (iv).
Yukon, Officials, Living Allowance, &e.: in Com. of Sup., 7947 (iv).

Public Buildings :	in Com. of Sup., 7025.

Roads and Bridges in Com. of Sup.,
7025 (iv).

Sheriffs, AllowaneeE, Fees, &c.: in Com.
of Sup., 7945 (iv).